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#139 Birds of Prey & Harley Quinn

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#139 Birds of Prey & Harley Quinn

"And several girl. This is Jason J. Louis the Voice of Superman on Justice League action while you're listening to the crypt listening to all things for Telnan podcasting including Superman and super. We discuss teams to find the facebook instagram youtube and twitter. Welcome to the Krypton. Report this episode. We're going to talk about the great and powerful Geneva. Let's talk about hi. Everybody we're GonNA talk about birds of prey about birds of prey and the fabulous emancipated at one. Harley Quinn over. We're talking about Harley Quinn. Birds OF PREY move. We're talking about. Is that the new title. They're going with Harley Quinn birds of prey. It's really clean for apparently apparently from what I've read today. It's not like they officially changed the title of the film to that. That's what they changed. The titles on the Marquees for search engine optimization is what they said that because Harley Quinn is the last thing in the title like it not the first thing that comes up when people go in in search for it so changing the search for Harley Quinn brings it brings it up I I would I went onto. Amc Today just to look and says Harley Yeah so I think when the movie comes out it's still going to be released would be official title birds of prey and fantabulous emancipation of one Harley. Quinn which is a cool title. But it's so long I mean it's just Kinda like nobody says Batman v Superman darn of justice honestly honestly dawn of Justice. Kind of sounds like a dumber like like more like. Yeah like just not as good of a punchy title being so long. It's not as as much of a punch title as this as birds of prey and the fantabulous emancipation of one Harley Quinn. Because it fits the movie. It's a I mean except for the fact that it's a Harley Quinn movie in the title birds of prey but it fits the film you know it tells part of the story that tells you a number of the characters that are going to be in it and the fact that it's narrated untold from Harley Point view than you know it kind of fits. It sounds like her as I mean. I'd almost prefer flipped it. And then like the emancipation of one Harley Quinn with birds of prey just because Okay Ka. Because the thing is this birds of begins. They're very much the start of this. This is their siege. This is them getting started and they kind of got roped into and got put together and I mean think about it like first of all. One of the missing girl wasn't even mentioned or nothing like hundred barely. There's a little something I mean. There's a little something there. There's a little something there when we get into talking about the movie as as ends. What how they if they were to ever move forward how they could introducing utilize bat girl or or Colour Barbara. It is a good place to to move forward very quick non spoiler reaction genus. You go Jim area accorded artists you say your non solar It was really fun. It was funny. He you know most of the The action was was really good. I am glad that they brought on eighty seven eleven the John Wick Stunt crew to to finish out the second unit action and stuff. The the cast was great. You know it was the the plot was pretty pretty straightforward Just you know what they used to bring everybody together To tie the whole story up and Yeah I I enjoyed it and I plan on going to see it again all right. So that is James. Pre movie talk discussion and then a quick post movie. Non Spoiler thought afterwards to here. We go now talk about the movie. Who's in three two one? All right to the movie is a Harlequin and I liked it. I enjoyed I. Didn't have high expectation. This is probably the lowest DC films. I've ever gone to see I didn't we have had investment as far as I enjoy margot. Obviously I didn't know what was going to get out of and I love you McGregor. So it's pretty pumped about that but I support my DC. So I was going say McGregor is definitely probably one of the highlights of the film for me to be honest with you. You would McGregor and Margot Robbie Harley Quinn they were definitely a draw I like Mary Elizabeth winstead ever. Since I've seen her in like Scott Pilgrim vs the world. She's Great. I remember so from sky. That's the first time I ever saw her. Who is she and Sky High? I haven't seen I haven't watched it in a long time. Scott Hi also thick seizures. Eight early Danielle. Pana Baker has a poison. Ivy Analog. Yes I'm trying to remember Cager but she was techno path. Oh is she the Villain Yup? Oh I forgot I forgot. That was her okay so since then that are cool movie and at one point in time supposed to develop it into a TV series but fell. Through which I've enjoyed. But Yeah I I. I love the movie. I had a great cast lead. But you know I'm not going to get into this. What is getting some hate and I just don't think it's deserved. No no my my biggest complaint engineering. I talked about this for as I. I want to make some more connective tissue to like suicide squad or all over this movie. It's in there a little bit but I just felt like. I don't know you could have had argus or wall like hunting Harley that she escaped like once the joker let her go like you had her being hunted by them. Walking around in the daylight free can Gotham owes. Maybe we could have saw some police corruption or something or the commissioners namedrop kind of cool if like Mcgregor blast black masks. Fair was like I saved your butt and you know help Heidi from August or something like that or cooled some strings line like that would have been kind of cool. Yeah like He. He helped and then he had her in a spot having she like saw his just another joker analogue or somebody. I think she said she said to dine about Harlequin needing a master and everything like she saw him as he was trying to be her new master. Put Him in honestly. The biggest problem for me was not having background. And then because Sandra King God do you WanNa do character breakdown or okay. We'll start with the least important pitcher of the movie. Cassandra CAIN Cruz. Basically Cassandra Cain in name alone exactly and They didn't even make a joke about her. Being foster care and say something like well. I guess you're an orphan. Kid I mean I was explaining to genucel last night. What like Cassandra? Cain is right now. And she's Yeah. That's not Eric so. I mean what she's she's completely different. You know Baidu kind of I mean. She's a foster kid so she is an orphan but they didn't say that they didn't say orphan specifically And then they do say that the kid has potential which you know could could easily be built upon properly in a sequel film or another movie with her in it That her you know her taking to fighting in training and things like so like better than anybody ever has you know what I mean. They they could make her. They could make her that type of Character moving forward But I mean to to have a character to basically. Would that have a character that would have been like this for the story that they use to have a character of such importance? Be a mute and stuff it would have probably I mean probably could have been played for plenty of laughs on Harley's point but it would have been hard to. It would have been hard to move some of the platform word if she didn't interact true but I just I mean they could have made her just a cute kid legacy different character. She didn't have to be CASSANDRA. Cain and that's kind of my thought process so all right so moving on next lease support cater. Victors as victor or Mr are huntress. Because they really don't get too much either one of them get too much Exploration bickers says he was I mean Christmas seat Chris Messina. He was in. He played the part really great He was manipulative. He was very manipulative of black mask. like being his closest his closest friend is closest confidante He was very manipulative of his of his attitude of his narcissistic personality. But I I do like the fact that he was covered in scars You know they really did. They showed that it would have been nice if maybe they would have showed him do that like after he killed the family. Thank you or something. I was about that just because the drive home. The scars and we saw him cut himself like three times. Gene PSYCHOTIC SNUS or yeah killed. The Dad. He could meet a scar. The MOM and disclosure could've showed his scars on his body earlier in the film they. They only show scars at in his last scene of the film. You see a few on his face or something but I mean he could have done it either like on his arms or something maybe pulled up his pant leg done something in you to seen more scars on his body and then when he opened up his shirt and he was like covered the way he was then it would have been more of a shock. But you've seen more like on his arms on his legs or something. I thought it was interesting. We didn't we didn't complete was always kind of need. I mean this is our third live action jazz. Our second being Gotham I really liked Zaza in Gotham. I thought he was like and I think this one actually kind of carried that over pretty well too. I found him sleazy image. Like just love here like it's already as should be easy so I mean the only thing he really cares about is his killing and mutilation like that's really the only focus he has so I think he. I think the guy definitely played up. The sleaze factor. I mean we'll get into it and we had the victors ass from Batman. Face of name Susan. Yeah trying to think of what you're talking about and like the third one third one or the first ones yeah. Batman begins. Victors as he was brought up by name. He had a few in the visible scars. But nothing major and Hort senior's. Yeah yeah I thought he was in the court scene. And then in the streets after Arkham after the Arkham breakout with us about it. Gotcha yes I remember that all right so moving on with the characters we'll go and we'll talk about hundreds which just from the promotional art like. I wasn't really digging hundred and the fact like I didn't know how she was going to be because there really wasn't much of a trailer but yes she gets short change but I really liked. Countries should have very dry sense of humor and kind of social awkwardness. Have kind of a yeah from being raised in that like monastery by assassins. I loved so like when she's like. Yeah I'm I'm not part of this. I'm done killed. I'm good you know. Crossbow killer hunters yeah. I loved her. I loved the line. She's delivering. Do you know who I am trying to get it right in the in the mirror dino who I am any time she said it cut to somebody she killed the crossbow killer who I am. Crossbow killer I did a good bit anyways young Zaza was one of the people that killed Bertinelli family. Those those kind of cooled connective tissue right. I think I think like a bit like like that. You know the Juneau who I am like her rehearsing that in front of the in front of the mirror and then and then cutting people calling her that you know because she doesn't have that name or anything out there something like that. It's it's just like it's just like how like Harley would tell the story of of the huntress you know what I mean. Can you believe? That's how she's let's how she's telling the story. Yeah I I liked huntress actually liked her. I wasn't sure I would feel about her costuming and everything but I thought it was really cool. It kind of Intro as to what I thought it was under like what SORTA LOOKING FOR DUDE. I mean it. Also when she was kind of forget. And you're like okay. Yeah it makes sense like what her costume. Some reminded me of that eighties nineties. Workout world. Say. He will wearing a plastic trash bag around. You thank the sweatsuits. Yeah I liked. I like kind of like the first time you saw her was during the grievances. Chase scene by Harley and who she is question marks grievances question mark. Jackson says something was innocent that we got to see the young Helena and then the whole like okay so this is kind of a plot thing but did you not think maybe the like were you confused but where did the Burton live and go like. I thought that it was in that car. And that's why they gave it to Helena but yet somehow black mask attractive. Found the burt. That just kind of didn't make sense to me diamond. Yeah that's kind of Something I needed. I need to check out when I When I watched it again is where. Where did the diamond go? 'cause I mean I don't assume that like the family has the diamond on them. You know I would assume that the diamond is probably in storage in safekeeping or something Because Helena she didn't have the Diamond Brian. Oh but but Roman had been looking for the diamond you know perhaps perhaps Bertinelli family was killed prematurely before the diamond could be Acquired you know so I need to see if I need to watch it again and see if there are any other hints as to where it may have been all these years. Because that's not something I can. I mean it. It is the macguffin that brings the entire cast together. You know what the bad guys are looking for. It's why you know It's why the fame part of why the family was killed by hunters is there for her revenge Y Casas there. Why harleys they're looking for cast. Why Montoya's looking for CASS and the fact that Dinah is friends with casts. They live in the same building. And you know. She knows that she stole the diamond from Za`z so I mean it's kind of that's the central. That's the macguffin that brings everybody together. So the net Montoya. I really didn't have a problem. Rosie Perez is the last thing and probably the only other thing I've I've seen. Rosie Perez was Pineapple Express Tech. I forgot about her in that. So I mean I thought it was Kinda cool like the choice of doing an order Montoya just like because she draw the line about Diana's mom so that's kind of just some meat like tissue explorer light the story of what this universe has to offer. Yeah it was a nice hint to since we only got to see the Canary cry. Once it was a nice hint to That they that Gotham PD has worked with vigilantes in the past that there are. Meta humans exists that exists in the world in Gotham Because she was the only one with abilities in the film So this Montoya's Kinda like the Montoya that got stuck in the police station. That never like became the question you know or becomes the question much later in life will they do have the the the line about her needing codenames so they do kind of say that pre to go You could certainly see an old. You could certainly see an older detective kind of doing the conspiracy theory. Kind of thing Maybe in her office in per se a sequel or something like In the headquarters. She's the one who's got the board with all the pins and string running from here there and everywhere I mean you could even do something as cool as she decides like as her persona in this team she's going to pick up from VIC savage. You know if we if we have that kind of idea that we had Dinah Drake before you have already had vic savage before as the question and Montana decided to kind of continue that legacy or something right. It's easy to write but I didn't mind. I like the idea of like against her. Gives her weight and our care about being a detective. Who's older? Who Kinda got screwed out of her career and makes it makes sense in this storyline honestly and did you recognize who the captain was. I recognize him. I couldn't I couldn't place him. I was thinking about that. Supernatural supernatural out afterwards. It dawned on me later because I know that thing. That's trying to figure it out too and I forgot to ask you about it because I know you know these things usually. So but yeah. I'm usually pretty good at that. But Yeah I guess so. Yes she and her character was good. You know. I like the way Harley. Called her Her so that she watched too many Nineteen eighties COP movies She used all the she used a bunch of of cop cliches and stuff And you know I think it I think it partially comes from the fact that these characters are viewed from Harley's point of view. So you know. They're they're even exaggerated too from being who they are you know. So she's exaggerated like that She's an old time detective She's got a bit of a drinking problem because she's drunk half the time on screen So consider -tective listen to this podcast you'll never but so we'll keep moving up. I think the next drew be dynamites. Say because it gets James had side conversations with Brian about run this down with Dinah Drake is the first black canary and changes her name comes Dinah Lance then later she has a daughter Dinah Laurel Lance and that's that's not even getting into the way Arrow just like chopped up and like made multiple right. Yeah 'cause like season one you meet Dinah Lance their mom you meet Sarah you meet Laurel and season five four. He me dining date. Yeah another dynamic you know. So it's like okay. They really liked the black near. I've never had before so it's like how do you have? Somebody's kitchen kitchen nightmares. I decide besides the song and besides Allison Wonderland cat. I had never heard the name Dinah for person sense true. That's what do you ever on the street. No but it gets confusing because all the comic stuff like you know which which black canary was with green arrow. Which wasn't Blah Blah Blah? So it's just interesting to point out so we kind of get that kind of retirement because this is Dina lands. So we can kind of assume that this is Dinah Laurel Lance and that it was her mom Dina that had been worked with the police in the past. But I will say I went into this like we've talked about this but even I even hate them. You'd have to say this. I didn't care that they made her African American. I thought it was awesome. Honestly doesn't even really register on my radar and that's why I say I feel. I hate that we have to address certain stuff because some people like Blah Blah Blah. Really the reason why I thought it was awesome because I really loved the actress. I thought she did a fantastic job. I like her style. I like the way they made her look like she just. She was sharp looking character. The mix like a hard punk rock ish with like a seventy soul. Yes that's what. She was a journey. Small was great. I really enjoyed her black canary her. And I like as little as she got. I liked everything that she was given to do like what she did. And I really. I really like this but I wanNA see moreover I wanna see more with like even the even the few. Hold my tongue on that. Who say the scenes that we get with her and hunters you fill chemistry in a bond that I would like to see explored and then number two Roman Eunice high? I would like to talk about black canary a little bit. Sorry you're check now jury smaller. She did amazing She's probably she's definitely top. Three favorite characters of the film with Harley Roman and Dina the top three in the film by Far Her I'm pretty sure that was actually her singing For that song it is so her voice is amazing was she is on. Itunes as the song with her name next to the she's God. She's Gorgeous. Her style was awesome You know her All of outfits. She wore her fighting her fighting style. Her action scenes in alleyway The the fighting In the in the Amusement Mile booby-trap seen the hair tie was funny her chemistry with hunters and Harley. You know her disgust with Za`z during their time. Just yeah amazing. And then when she did the Canary cry at the end is kind of a big thing for you. Know dropped the hint early on when Montoya approached her and then she kind of build her up. You know what you need to do and like she'd been like suppressing it so when she finally did it you know it knocked out but it was. Yeah she was great and I definitely want. Yeah it was. It was an earned a moment and I definitely want to see her I definitely want to see her again as Dinah Lance over Gela as Ellison's illustrate this is late. We have words as we go so Roman sonus black mask character that I will admit I've only really ever experienced through Catches you kind of see around. But mainly my exposure to him was mainly the Red Hood Film. Which was voiced by Gary Cole? Who was the corrupt guy and Rosie Perez partner in Pineapple Express funny bringing it back? Pineapple Express and then of course he was in the Arkham Series Games And then one of my good friends dressed as plaque Mascara Batman themed Halloween party. You know so. I didn't know what to expect from this character and I think McGregor found a take on. This character fit well with the tone of this film. That kind of makes a little bit more different than what a joker or other type of just random crime boss is I think he he balanced the cree penis and the humor very well and the brutality. Black mask is known for being brutal. He wasn't afraid to be brutal towards people I will. I saw him personally. Get his hands dirty little bit more But that's counter. Small complete is a character thing that he normally gets his hands dirty. I mean he has before no he has before but he is a boss. So he kinda actually. Yeah he has. People do is dirty work for him but he's known for being he's known for being brutal when he does get his hands dirty like like. He will assault his people just just because he's angry. See much character either Other than what I've really seen from the From the Games. But I don't know I. I really dug his interpretation of it. I- I dug the fact that like. He's a little office rocker and it shows. Of course you had McGregor. He's an amazing actor and could go from zero to one hundred in two seconds you know and I love that about the character as well. It's kind of like a almost like a bipolar thing And I found that really fascinating as just somebody. Who's watching the film It kind of drew you into the character a little bit more that I feel like just a plain old mob boss would for lack of a better term because I feel like that mob boss mentality can be very like I don't know you know it's like a a thing that you can see in just about any movie so to have some kind of a different take on him. I like that he was almost. Ocd about certain things and he got creeped out by like the Macabre. I think that was Kinda cool to showed like this lighter side The character that I didn't even realize was a thing and I don't know if that is the thing in the comics anywhere but But I just I found that really interesting and like I said it just Kinda stopped me into the movie and into the character even more I find it really funny. Like the one seen were Where Dina comes in to his his his his home and he's she's looking around like Alva masks and everything and he like Marvel's over this pygmy head. I'm just GonNa Little Nuggets of like dark humor With this character and I just find that really kind of rushing to be honest so I I enjoyed that scene. Specifically I've I've heard criticisms about his his weird weirdness during that during the scenes in his in his home. The mask in the heads and things like that like I actually thought like that made him that made him. I don't know what's Word I'm looking for. Ya like I enjoyed his. I enjoyed the weirdness. I enjoyed how he was kind of off. You know So I don't I don't have any criticisms with that scene like I I liked. I liked how he had the masks and the artwork and You know the yeah the oil heads and stuff like I thought it made him. I thought it made him like a crazy eccentric and I liked that about it once. Seen that I I love him. I love the scene for two four K. season at the club. He's upset looks over that girls laughing she laughing at me and he goes over and basically like what's the word boys gets steamed up on the table. He manipulates her. What I liked about it is. It's creepy creepy uncomfortable and the other thing that I like is the movies radar and had this been directed by say David Snyder. You know that when he said removed for dress shoes naked underneath but because is directed by a woman she actually had underwear and I liked that. It was refreshing honestly. It was a little more believable to yeah. It was definitely. The scene was definitely Definitely made you uncomfortable watching and it's probably one of the you know. It's one of the scenes that gives them cause for the for the R. Rating. Even though like the movie barely crossed the line for our rating. But you know just just his just. His narcissistic personality is Ego. You know somebody laughing like he didn't even he didn't even listen to the fact that you know she was laughing at a joke that her boyfriend or whatever had told her he was just he was all upset and everything was everything was about him. Even when it's not exactly Lisa's with is that all the characters so we must won. Miss Bruce Okay. How as little sad? There's only one ally about we should get you another a friend for you. Know or something and she named Him Bruce. Honestly can I put in here real quick? Like when he when like her place blew up. I thought for sure that they were going to be bringing into others like after that. Like heap e died in the explosion and this is really routine. Cut Man gloves so I wouldn't be. Yeah I'm glad that he made it. I wouldn't be surprised if when she shows up again if she does have to. And you know I forget the names that they are in the comics. But I would not be bud and Lou. Yeah I would not be surprised if she gets a second one. And it's bruce an Tim. Dude Yeah Tim I'll be like it. Just sounds right or or his birthday was yesterday. Wasn't were so. I'm not sure as long as you know it it. Would you know it'd be really awesome to kind of throw back to one of her creators having Bruce Tim As her heinous? And you know I don't know figuring out a story wise. What his name is Tim. But you know the name. Obviously they put him Bruce because she thinks Bruce Wayne is a honk so his name was already. Tim is like the sound of Bruce Him. Right Bruce and Tim but seven. She looks at the camera and winks and she did. Y- that brings us to Harley Harley. I think was the character that go on in this league just excited to see but everyone else was new. You know her going in. We had we kind of had an idea of what to expect and I think she did. I want to say I'd say she did better from what she hadn't suicide squad in Suicide Squad. She had a little bit more In in range wise in just like some of the scenes suicide squad that were in the extended edition. Which is the only edition. I recommend you watch that James and I will be re watching for record here in the future that like. When she drops the Harley and goes into like the Har- Lean Persona Margot goes back and forth back really really well and really easily in this and I felt she. She did it in suicide squad but in this when she had to really do. I like she knew her character. She knew what she was doing and she was fun. She had a great line a great time. She was enjoyable to watch. So I think this really was true to the characters far as you know keeping up with I mean in comic books thinking about her. Not that old compared you you know. You're up against Batman and superman who were eighty shoes created in ninety two. She's not even thirty years old yet. So she's probably had like one of the largest growth if not the biggest growth in the character and like biggest influence in the shortest. Ma'am time I am. I know you said you don't want to get into like other people's opinions on this or like people bashing it but I found that interesting earlier. I was reading some kind of feed on facebook and it was under a an article that talked about a this being a big bust basically in the theaters and this one person this dude gets on there. And he's like yeah he's like. I don't understand why we have a film that centered around Harley Quinn. When she's a character that can't even hold her own Without the joker I was just like I think the reason why this this movie can stand on. Its own two feet is because of Margot Robbie. Let's let's be honest. I mean I think that she just delivers the character. The way that we really WanNa see it and honestly from a female perspective it. It's kind of very like off and kind of dark way. It's kind of for For us to see like such a cool. Kick Butts Email Onscreen like that and I pointed this out to Geneva wasn't last week Was Superman. Nineteen where he walks into the holiday. S.'s. There's all the heroes but Harley sitting there so they've tried to work her. Intellect is anti hero role where she's walking weird line and I think this film does a little bit better job. I feel like suicides was a much darker. Harley and a lot of that was cut out in editing like they tweets things in post Gotcha got remember to. She's responsible for the death of Robin Wright. We don't know what her role was. And if she was responsible for the death of Robin and this Harley affiliate started kind of like did the Roller Derby and they tried to get into a lot. More of what harleys been up to more recent comments And I think the damage a good job of making this kind of like Amalgam Harley Janina we're talking about how like one thing with Comic Book Films James. You and I've talked about this with show. I hate when they don't have their costumes and like this version of the current harleys where she's also it's like she has her costume on all the time. So you can kinda get away with her. Not Having a Harley costume on she's kind of always interior right. Yeah in this movie. She didn't like if like in suicide squad. Kind of had like like a costume on. It almost seemed like day day close but this is really more like day. Close what she would wear day in and day out With her wild fashion sense but You know in this one like just the course of the film. It's not like all right suit up. Were were doing this. You know what I mean. Kinda just Kinda just happens in evolves like they don't they don't have a costume change sequence or anything like that which is. Kinda funny journey smaller like. When did she have time to win? Did she have time for a change? She changes into her skates honestly. It was kind of refreshing that it was like over sexualizing either even though it was an r rating they could've envelope in particular The they didn't at any point in time with her and I. I'm very appreciative of that. it was just like. I said super refreshing especially with her character after the over sexualization suicide squad. Exactly exactly they took it to that next level with suicide squad. And in some instances in the movie but With this you know obviously once again you know you have some. It's it's an excuse me It's kind of it's. It's a growth for the character. You know 'cause back in suicide squad She's she's with the joker She's in a dark place and she's she she's being controlled and then now now she's out of that and she's empowering herself to become her own person you know and and she's going down a different path than the joker so You know being being used by the joker For whatever he needs which you know we know in suicide squad like the original Cut there was There was abuse whether physical and emotional abuse whereas in what they released it. Was You know jokers like love? Sick puppy So you know the character. She would be used by him. As as a sexual object for people to look at for a distraction for his own yet for his own play for his own Necessities and then just be cast aside right so That's kind of the life that she was living at that time and now you know she can. She can be somebody different. She doesn't have to be doesn't have to be sexualizing if she doesn't want to be right. It's just see that change. I like yeah very good for the character. Yes okay so. Let's talk about some scenes. Who really liked to see where Harley was getting her high in and the guy was going to be a creeper and so she fed the guy. you know. I laughed a win. I laughed when she when the Hyena was eating his leg S. Soon as he said we accept payment in kind in that sleazy voice bet sleazy. Look I said you were going to be dead. And then the next senior king eaten by the you know. She's just chilling areas really one of the grievances bed brother to Hyena. I like the the scene of her. Getting rid of Romans driver. Oh my gosh it was. That was funny to. You should not go that I was saying the bar or on the street either one. Oh that was great. How she on the street so I do. WanNa talk rules secondly to stunt work now we do know that one brothers and soon to be legendary director but legendary stunt choreographer chats to Helsinki to help to shoot pickup re-shoots and work on the action scenes. And I think it pays off like beautifully so good because they really find that Connecticut Energy to With the fighting I told you he is like in. The comics. Harley went to college on a gymnastics scholarship so I really think the utilized like a fighting style utilized gymnastics moves. I'm just going to say this after watching that film. I looked at Tyler as we were walking out of the movie theater and I was like This makes me want to get off the couch and learn how to fight because we'll exciting to Jesus. It's my new job is going to be a fighter but there's nothing wrong with being a massage therapist by day in an intimate fighter by Nice. I'm studying with this guy. Ted Ted Grant during the daytime. I heal people during the nighttime I hurt people Yeah the The choreography the fighting is the fighting was really great You don't I mean it's really grounded but it still comic book world so you know the physics are not gonNa work like the real world and when people complain about that. I'm like you or just a moron like dumbest thing. We're GONNA fly into space in the next film racing somebody right. He's GonNa hit Nelson launched from the earth. I know right. It's going to and I'll and I'll watch the crap out of it said all along and now that one of others has worked in a directing capacities Chad's Husky. He needs to drink night wing. I think Oh for sure style would be beautiful for nightline. I sure we'll see that the day that I pass on to heaven and some of the top and and the top stunt people and and Yeah it would be. That would be fantastic night. That would that would probably be more brutal than the Wayne Than the Martha Rescue Warehouse Scene. You think I assume so. So the are reading. Do you really feel like we need to really add to this film or was it a marketing gamble. That may have caused problems for them. I mean caffeine and Margot Robbie. They wanted to make R. Rated Girl Gang Film and they did I mean. Do I think the movie needed to be rated R. for the content in in it? Now I would. I would let my kids watch this movie because it's it's just stylized violence which they can see on any cartoon and then. I mean it's language you know. My kids are ten and eleven. They're going to learn it very soon. The I already know they know it. So the second R. rated sequencing. Okay we have the cutting of the face which is which is a an edge in in post. Yeah have the leg of the gun you have. Okay okay her breaking the guy's leg with the bat now. That one was like. Oh my God. Yes and then trying to think Siamese blowing up that may be an he did kind of blow into pieces So I mean I say that because if you're going to make an art k utilize your but also I think about the character of Harley and the market. She appeals to so many teenage girls. That are you hindering yourself by making people who might want to see your fell a little harder to actually pay your film. But they're gonNA find a way to see it but you're going to make money off of for them seeing it. I mean you know all all they do is make sure the person buying the ticket is over eighteen and nowadays you don't even have to buy them at the stand you buy them online and somebody goes in and punches in a code and they get their tickets in walk in. It's not like teenagers can't go see a rated R. Film these days if they wanted to just kind of depends. I've been in theaters. I mean I was working at the movie theater part-time when it chapter one came out from kids out that we were finding. They were underage. So it kind of depends on your theater and stuff a okay example. Bbs PG thirteen but the extended cut is an easy R. Rating. A has two bombs been athletes but some violence and blood and I think you could have done something similar with this. Where you had your. Pg Thirteen in like your extended unrated cut. Maybe you had some words button seats but I mean I am sad because I really wish this movie would have opened with. Harley joker breaking up you know we do see the jokers green hair. It'd be re do the scene of her and the F. Asset who you know and then so that's one connected tissue to suicide squad too when she mentioned the thing in her neck when she saved the world and then she sees she runs down the whole story yet. She runs down the whole story of of suicide squad. The history of her character and then the old story involving suicide squad and then the light bridge in between so I mean and we know we're going to see her again and it kills me that at one point in time there was like three different. Harley movies that were being developed. I would've I would've loved to see the quote Unquote Joker Harley Mad. Love movie that you could still do. That would take place after suicide squad before this film. Yeah and I say just bring Leto back. Let him retool. The jokes like led him combinator. Change it up a little bit. People are behaviors on not liking. His suicide squad. Well I mean there's one thing that we can't deny is the fact that jared Leto is a good actor like Austin Houston any of his other work any of his other work. It's like this dude. Connect and part of it. I mean look at you and McGregor. Kay He was in the Star Wars prequels. A lot of people hate it. But he's a great actor and some people say he did a bad performance. Doing with director was telling in a lot of that same thing with Jerry. Let's joker here is doing with the director. Wanted for this kid. They were interpreting together under a different guys. Like I would love to see. That'd be really cool. Then but he was. He was given seven and a half minutes of screen time. And that's in the extended cut with the added footage of of him in there that wasn't in the theatrical cut so the fact that people are making such a huge deal about his personification of the character is pretty ridiculous because they didn't even get the character all they got was the few which you could which you could give to the joker once in a while With his with his erratic personality there would be times when he would quote Unquote Love Harley. And other times where he wouldn't even notice that she's there or that she's been missing for a year So you know they could show that one point in time so the only thing that they have a real gripe about with is the look so okay. Whatever like you don't like the look but you can't make a justification you can't make a judgement on performance when you got six minutes worth of screen time and seven and a half with the extended cut which most of the people who are complaining never even watched the extended cut to see some more of this Some more of his performance. So I WANNA I wanNA see Amac I would love to see Some more of him Mike he was. He was the psychopath joker like I think that he would put. I think that he would put everything that all of the other jokers have done onscreen whether like Jerome on. Gotham the wild stuff that he did and and all the other stuff that have been done in the films. I think the psychopath leto joker some of the stuff he would do. If he actually had some screen time would make you cringe and put some other. You know while crazy things that other jokers have done to Shane. A you know what I mean. Yeah Jimmy will always be a champion for a letter. Joker I will. I will once again. I don't think he had enough time to relieve develop such a complex character You know I don't know I I just. I think that the joker is just so multi thinking but Bay. Just got rid of all of it. You know yeah yeah. I mean he starts piecing together stuff from all the scenes over cut. Yeah I have and I mean that to me before we looked at it together but yeah. It's just like there's so much you're just like wow like. He developed this character to do nothing. But that's I just think he we needed and we know that there was a scene that was filmed for this movie that figures featured some sort of representation of that Juncker characters parley getting kicked out and it's out there somewhere. Maybe we'll see extended edition the awesome a deleted scene extend addition or something like that I mean they do. It is the same. It's the same Harley so it's the same joker from suicide squad. They were going to use his footage from suicide squad but they decided against actually putting him in the film You do see a version of the joker from behind and it has the same style. Same hair slicked back and everything But it's just really quick. Some people are even speculating that the animation at the beginning because the animation of parley and the joker are more classic Comic Book. They're like oh they're already doing away with jared leto joker by making this this comic Book Accurate. Looking Joker in this animation. While it's like there was not that. Co Margot Robbie never portrayed that comic book accurate Harley Quinn except for that one shot that mirrored the Alex Ross Tuxedo joker and Harley Quinn. Like that's it so you know. Margot Robbie personified that version of Harley Quinn either so like it was a stylized animation just to you know just to give you the lowdown on her character Really fast from literally conception to the time she became Harley Quinn her to once you talked about this earlier like she's telling the story she's narrating all of this so it's almost kind of like we're looking inside of her head like she sees it as a cartoon animation. I just thought that was kind of cool. Yeah I definitely want sequel to this movie. I think it where Harley tricks the birds and goes off with the diamond. And she has cassandra weather. And I think diners car we see here. Dina and huntress fighting and more comic book style ethics and I thought that Dinas blue crushed velvet with the fish net arms looked. Great Hunters is mask was awesome tracks. Her tracksuit was horrendous. But but I mean the sequel right there writes itself the birds of prey versus the Gotham city. Sirens Harley goes off and meets up a Poison Ivy. In there we go. That's that's what we have and that's and that's where we get Gotham city sirens. What's off into birds of prey film? Where okay so. Now that we're there I think that so we've got like this early edition of birds of prey we've got Montoya and Montoya and Huntress and Canary Together If we get the introduced introduction of Oracle She's like okay now. Like you guys have been doing this. You've been doing a decent job. But she learned from the best. Now we take it to the next level. You guys get the proper equipment to do the job you guys get the proper training to do the job. You know what I mean. And that's how you introduce Barbara into birds of prey as it is. Now we're game for writing the CRAVERS Lake right here. James Reduce the ideas we can do. This would be great and I think that's I don't even think I mean you could do that but I don't. I'm not even sure if you even need Gotham city sirens versus birds of prey. I think if that birds of PREY WENT ONE WAY. Gotham city sirens. Goes another way. You have harley she needs poison ivy introduced cat woman. And then you bring back. Jared leto joker and then Harley Quinn is torn between wanting to go back with her Putin or stay with her friends. Stay with the Gotham city sirens. I do the birds of prey there to just because I feel like in the past. You would wanNA space out that. But it's like anymore like you're never. You never guaranteed your sequel. So if you have an idea of the movie should put it in to make the best film you can and like Viz me show that this is how you do more of a girl. Power Girl Gang film Talked about this like compared to how just kind of like Blad ghostbusters reboot remake. Be Thing was I mean this one. I had no problem. That was all women again. I didn't feel like they forced like it's all women. Only women can be in this movie. Only women can do stuff. I never got that vibe felt felt from it I just. I never felt them. Yeah like I've ever heard the misogyny argument that that it's you know making l. all men misogynous. I'm like I I mean you know the AD. There's a lot of bad guys that they're around but I didn't feel like it was like. Oh all men are misogynist pigs you know girl power all the way. I did not get that I was in the fee. I went and saw the movie alone and I was sitting there and I never felt like. Oh my God. I'm you know horrible because I'm a dude. Like her visit by that logic. Music that every woman and other movies like some sort of sex slave like this brings us to our end of our discussion. We could probably keep going on slate genius tired. I'm tired Psalms. Still Awake Somehow Now this movie is out injured what I'm going to give up and call the DC you. I'm done fighting the battle. They tried to tell me those films and all the stuff. They've yet to be able to do that so I was going to go with something better. I officially turned it on my card. Now they're doing these spin off movies like joker whereas de Connector that get really confusing. So James we'll start with you favorite favorite gives you ranking of the DC films okay. Let me let me get back to that here. So while I'm going back to that you know. Box Office wise So this movie. May this movie costs about eighty four million dollars to make and Actually farther back in the conversation. The movie cost eighty eighty four million dollars to make and worldwide. It made like eighty one million dollars this weekend so nearly in its opening weekend. This movie made its budget back so I mean there's nothing to complain about now like calling it a disaster and calling it a flop like Ford versus Ferrari cost more to make and made like two million dollars less. And you know like Oh. It's it's amazing it's fantastic. This made more money. Was the number one movie in the world and it's a disaster. It's a flop like it's that's that's double standards. If you ever heard one like all the articles I've seen like you guys are just clicked. Baked crap like number one movie in the world for the weekend just because it didn't open to a hundred and fifty million dollar box office one hundred million dollar box office Like it. It didn't cost that much to make per standards. It didn't cost that much to make. And ideally as long as it you know clears enough money it's GONNA be profitable. Sham costs more to make. And if this makes Suzanne money it's it's profitable you know and so But my so might DC EU rankings is one is man of steel to Bam Inverse Superman. Three is wonder woman. Four aquaman five `schisms six birds of prey seven suicide squad and he is just a sleek Three is pretty much most of the time. Always there But three four and five can switch On any given day. And you know maybe six can jump up in contention for foreign five at some point so birds of prey. Can you know hop up into four or five depending on the day because it was really good? It was fun and I enjoyed it and I will Revisit it once in a while I would like to watch suicide squad and this back to back and then after the suicide squad comes out To Watch all three of them back to back and just kind of see that progression of Margot Robie as Harley Quinn. I like how it's nice sequel. It's a site I haven't listened to. There's yet so I was like yes. Can you read off yours okay? My is completely different. Whatever you wanted to say so number one for me as wonder woman. to is awful man Threes Justice League for is birds of prey. Five she's am six is made of steel seven and eight a suicide squad. Yeah I honestly My one two and three a lot of it has and for a lot of it has to do with They're just fun movies. I just really. I really enjoyed them. You know Yeah yeah our rankings are are are owned entertainment. You know the the amount of entertainment that each film gives us. What what we prefer. It's you know it's not the technical aspects of the film if that were the case they would probably be in a different order. But but you know it's how much you enjoy each film and and how often that you would revisit so you would revisit your Films more often than you would revisit your lower ones. I'll still watch justice league. I will not not watch any movie on this list. Right agree I will always. I will rewatch any movie on this list. At any given time. Just Justice League being what it is and and what it should have been. And there's you know there's going on with that 'cause you can say a lot of movies should have been this. You know what I mean. But there's a big difference when it comes to what Justice League should have been because Justice League was already filmed and made to be something else and then they turned it into this. You know so when people say like birds of prey this movie when they say this movie should have been something else. They didn't make this movie something else and then change it. They made this movie the way they want it to make it. So there's a big difference in what you expect a movie to be. What movie what you think a movie should be and what a movie turns out to be. Justice League is very different because it was made to be something else in the studio reshot so much and retooled and re edited the movie to be something completely different and I feel a similar because of a suicide squad that was such as the same boat. Exactly that's that's exactly why it's my number eight you know. I'm just it was. It was disappointing to me. That's why I'm going to jump in here with mine. Because it falls discussion ministerials number two number three four zero one. Five six is Bertha pray seven is suicide squad eight is justice leaked can the bottom to basically imma changeable but they are basically because of what you just said Justice League. We know all that we've talked about him. Ad nauseam length. Suicide Squad yourself at the last minute as a reaction to be so we don't even know what we were looking at before it was released in theaters. And you can tell some chain like the way and we talked about this in our really weird commentary. They'll never be released because it's extremely hard to follow because of technical difficulties about just the editing the pacing changes in that movie Bambi su-man extended edition. I love it. I mean it's not perfect. There's things I wish. We were a little bit different. But it's a really solid film. I wish you know we can get into that. Ministerial is is great. Zam is sadly like the one on here. I've seen the least but it's just a fun movie. Where recently revisited like I just? There's a lot of heart that I love in that movie. A lot of fun to that movie wonder woman. An optimum flipped depending on the time and the birds of prey fun but if I watched it once so it's very hard to really feel how I feel about a film I've seen at least two times more because sometimes you come away with that. You're hyped. You loved it you enjoy when you watch the annual but yeah those are play version play by play birds. I think you downloaded the wrong movie. There Tyler all right. That's what we're going to cut it off because it's getting late so James. Thanks for joining US Julia so great to have you back in here. Your Voice. Yeah thank you so much for having me guys talking to you Return Phil. Listen to just to hear you back on everybody.

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Harley Quinn and Joker: How Harley Got Her Groove Back

Geeks Under the Influence

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Harley Quinn and Joker: How Harley Got Her Groove Back

"The views and opinions expressed on Geeks or the influence are that of the panelists and none of our sponsors answers Amazon.com Tepa brittle discretion is advised. Kinda what the funk pop that has the Australian firefighter with the quality. Kind of really want that one. I mean as fun copes go that and also the proceeds go to help help with the fires and stuff. So it's actually helping to to for your need for Baby Odom. I mean that's basically that mash up of for five addressed as a firefighter and baby. Yoda dressed as wallow holding his leg. Oh my God. Oh yeah way too many copyrights take. There's not right on. koalas context to a special one to help with the fire. the fires and it'll be maybe at addresses a Koala and they'll be like Oh fuck money okay. Grows was doing that for their shirts. They were doing one for Australia and had really cool mosaic aboriginal art art the different animals. There is pretty cool. They would orders for that and all proceeds went to. That's that's great that you can do something where people are getting a product that they really want want on the same end also helping out something. That really needs a lot of help. I'm I'm very stoked yet. Apparently they're filming mad. Max Five soon and yeah. Well Australia's prime for post-apocalyptic Dome Right. Now oh I know but it all I saw the post and something like what about the fires and people responding that just help settle cut costs. That's like if they were to film like any Batman Stuff in Detroit like you'll just yeah. Yeah so what Mad Max Wasteland yet that kind of you covered for no man's land. Yeah no that was the whole Bain Auden Italian but I was actually surprised at Detroit his use in like rubble all the rubble of Detroit. Detroit used in more films especially Superhero films like the birds of prey movie. I just saw no Detroit Lake. It was it looked like little boroughs of New York that they used for. That and Nolan was smart. But there's also decrepit parts of Gotham that are even in the film and this could have been Detroit and you would have saved on so much money on set design. I thought in Nolan. No one did use Between Chicago Detroit I thought Nolan might have used sub Detroit. Yeah thought he used so okay. That's stopping Gazans rainy and Shitty. Yeah it's supposed to be New York now it's fucking Choi. How imagine if you know Saddam's always kind of a mash up of the two? I thought it was like actually Chicago. Detroit New York Org all together philly mixed at Harley Quinn filming in. Kobe comes out and stabs her. There is this will not have anything to do with the plot line. There's a scene involving a breakfast sandwich in the new birds. Afraid movie that it's kind of like that scene in Spangler he's making that sandwich and you're like fuck up that Sanjay fucking sandwich. There is a breakfast sandwich. Seen in bird the prey where they're like zooming in on the eggs cooked too nice and medium and put on like this this festive Brad. And you're like okay. I would fuck up that sample. Yeah that's probably the most exciting part of birds of prey for me was much sandwich seem and the same which was held in such high regard in the movie as well about like this bad witch switch. It was the that doesn't sound will bode well for the movie. If the breakfast sandwich highlight going. Apparently you haven't had a properly made ate breakfast sandwich because it should be held up to that high of a road. Just say that no. I said it doesn't bode well for the movie. If that's the part that you liked the most there's some opinions to be said about birds of prey on both. There's some good and some bad that comes from it and we'll get into that and more On this episode which is all about the evolution of joker and Harley. Quinn forget it be getting into kind of the original characters. How they're similar in some ways? They're working stories the development of those characters and how they have changed over the years based on the comex the animated series by the action as well as different view terrains games as well are the arguments series Definitely a different take on these and I'm really interested in and talk about all the different styles. These they look at has changed a lot over the years. Their intentions have changed a lot. Aub especially Harley as far as her attentions from being the sidekick character her own character and kind of an anti hero in a lot of ways at S. She's evolved all that cool ask. Yeah Yeah sometimes like that that golden moments of I'm being good and then they totally go not golden anymore really really quickly. Yeah so we've got a panel of knowledgeable people that can Talk at length. Well more than the Our that we have about About Dzhokhar Clinton. I'm very excited to get into this episode of East on the influence after one eighty to the evolution of Joker Harley Quinn. Welcome the mess. It's two hundred and eighty to Jesus Christ and one eighty two year so close to two hundred. I can taste it. Don't I don't want to give a big thanks to talk me off for letting US use their title track off their new album curse. The Record Release Party is happening on the sixteenth at gallery. Five killer bill. We talked me off doll baby pedals on a pirate ships in xed out in the tickets are only eight bucks doors at seven what. What's the checkout gallery? Five in Richmond Virginia. Great venue on you and a killer show with the curse record from talk me off releasing they have three sons available on spotify right now go ahead and check them out. They're fucking killer. They got another record before that's already been released previously. Well worth a listen. One of my favorite punk rock bands and Richmond right now so check them out and thanks for these cursed the links to the show and other stuff will be in our notes. Yeah so before we get into the actual conversation here about Roger Can Harlequin. Let's talk about the the weird characters the rogues gallery that we have here on this episode geeks leaks on the influence to my right. We'll be on the live blues clues that will have happened when this episodes released. We've got Michelle left. I hear ooh regular on a number of the shows on the network. It's been great wild. Ride one of the things we are going to be getting into is the relationship between joker and Harlan. That's progressed over the time and I think we're all in agreement that this is not a relationship anybody should look as he go out. Aspire to this your true I love. I've seen those. I WanNa Love Carl Hurley and Joker Mary. You don't want to be pushed out a window okay. We met Mary guy that makes bath will end up in that kind of relationship. Expect more for yourself so we we do have a pair of two men and two women so that we could actually talk about the different perspectives in relationships. And because that is a very important part of Harley joker their dynamic and this is like the perfect perfect month for that it's February coming out right before Valentine's Day pig. Yeah think think twice about those chocolates and roses if there were chocolates involved with Harley joker. It'd probably be poisoned or explode racist. Actually Joker did give Dead Roses that came out of a little wind up box in the first Batman movie right was that this thing. It's the show. Yeah you're right about it. Took them see movies to get on soundtracks next up on our panel to help us. Let's talk all things joker in Harley Quinn. We've returning guests that is Think last time you were on was the wonder woman wonder woman you were a great guest on wonder one really knowledgeable like that kind of saved the episode. I'm glad to save something. Most of my knowledge I'm wondering stuff or the Justice League involves stuff. I didn't really dig deep into the doctor Marston. Yes I didn't didn't get the abductor Marston. In the wonder woman also Grace Mary was. I've seen the movie movie that yeah a documentary movie. Oh docu drama. Get the book that I brought really good to read the book. Nice said but it's definitely worth checking out. Dr Martin Wonder Woman and speaking of wonder wounded. We've got stuff here to help us talk another wonder woman which is hardly in Quincy well. Yes quin depending on which ration- Yes That was able to escape a very abusive and bad relationships. New Life for herself cyncially man. There's some excitement about talking about that. Like just what it takes to get out of the Rut of being in something like that where you feel like you can't escape it's dark it's a really important conversation. That's something doesn't seem like should be in comic books. But that's what's great about comics is they're able to have those conversations with don't forget that she also started off says just a walk on like a one off henchmen hinch woman sure person and then just took off from there here and now look at me. Now it's more dynamic will well rounded character that has a history that has their own story has their own series of books and shows movies hid chose not just shows and writings for adults but kid chose Lego Batman and that is actually a very similar story to the the next panelist who started as a person and built himself up to be my equal and Co owner of the Geeks on the fronts network. And you're at my partner here you're on geeks under the influence showrunner for Geo Nights and from the mouth of madness. We've got the sexual chocolate Mr Lowdown macgyver. So everybody if A Batman Villain Bane. I think if we got a Tan. If you've got a significantly camping yeah yeah. Yeah it's going. Everyone ready to talk about Harley Quinn and joker yeah I got A. I am not coming to school of Harley as much as left Diane Steph but do have a lot to say about the joker say about my view of that fucking trainwreck of a relationship. Yeah so excited talk about the absolutely and especially considering that we have both the birds of prey and suicide squad on Harley side and the joker movie on jokers side talking about like bringing an into live action cheon in a very different way that's never been approached before also the animated series. Yeah the there was a running relationship projects the entire series but you also have the brave even the bold as well a lot but when you're only movie too she's got a bunch of animated stuff too. There's a lot of stuff with her. Both the live action. There's definitely a A darker tone that both characters have taken that they haven't had in anything previous to this true the only other thing where they've had such dark would probably be the arkham games the games that darkness. You're right the Games are pretty frigging dog. Yeah Yeah we got For each week we he wanted to get right into it but before we do. We got the other person on the panel. We've got the purveyor of the network and involved in a bunch of the stuff he can type it out. Because it's too much to say Mike. I have a big and that's where I met with the dude. I'm sorry there's like five things I gotTa name all for you and I'm just not doing it. I forget a lot of the time. Yeah I'm the mother of drunks the herder of cats. That's the That's my yeah so I think it's GonNa leave it at that circle. I'm Mike Gaba of the of the influence network and Also run smack my pitch up. Blue's clues co host on deeply upsetting and united says. Well see that's all of them. I think there might be one hiding under the bed. I don't know what other thing but like it's got like taking a break right now so when that comes back up area. That's yeah that's been a long time now and then there's the trivia that's coming back at some point trivia. Go fucker six seven seven. I missed one. Fuck Fuck you not saying it also if you are interested in influence as well as some of the other shows on the network we have five our shows and a podcasting panel happening galaxy lexicon this year The was twenty three March. First you're at a at the Richmond Convention Center. We've got geeks influence and smack my Friday. We've got Geek father and beautiful disasters with a full movie being shown they're showing space truckers umbrellas snippets of movies with people that are at the con guests from the COM. They're gonNA showing snippets of different movies and on Sunday. We've got from the mountains of madness and eight adventures in podcasting panel. That will have myself low down and fuck you hunter you on the adventures of podcasting panel. I was thinking about that actually on the way into work the other day and I was like. Oh Oh I got stories. Oh yeah there's I'm thinking about like interesting story. Yeah it's just like Oh eric stories about I came in this according to the idea of like. Oh no no there's like actual stories real stories. Oh Yeah Yeah I need I press pass that Oh yeah that was amazing for some puked and passed on the episode. The the dog about looking back when I had sixteen hours of editing per episode. I don't know how I don't know how that's going to be an interesting as well as at Galaxy. Con Information is at G. Y.. PODCAST DOT COM and now onto the evolution of joker and Harley Quinn. I want to get into the origin story. Worry because down. There are several different origin stories for both I think at the point so there is not are hardly definitely followed along with jokers. Far as they're not being a one pin down there is the one that everybody leans on. And it's a similar one too jokers where she goes through the same process of incorrect from wrong the same processes joker did where he dumped her or Nevada like he did in the Red Hood Story Line of a joker pretty similar. Yeah I think I like the one and that is just involved. Her being Dr doing you know doing her day to day right but then catching some of the jokers as you know. Chaos and then stops taking her meds because bipolar is what it was a couple of different disorders that she kinda has but hides as being a psychiatrist. Ah Architectures rebels with Medicaid and. She was also taking medication. Yourself level. Yeah and then. But then. Like the Joker Wisconsin. It's kind of character that he's definitely manipulative. He can definitely definitely make you see his point of view and come over to the side and just yes narcissist to the Max and then that. I really liked that because it showed it showed how the joker can pull anybody in kind of thing and also showed how somebody could just give up that life to go into that kind of two sided thing with that origin story. Well also shows Harley herself is a person value is again deeply intelligent and deeply motivated and an independent person before joker joker. It's not this week minded person. It's not like What's the movie where the kid turns into the school higher learning? Yeah it's like this kid that just doesn't feel like there's a place in the world then he becomes a Nazi. 'cause there's nothing else to do like Harley gets manipulated that even the most strong people can get manipulated. It's not it doesn't make week. It's just circumstance all right. I don't WanNa go on too much of a tangent but I feel like you. Discredited that character from higher learning doesn't mean watched that movie. It's been a while I watch. Yeah it was early last year and it wasn't that he did nothing else to do is like he literally felt like he fit in nowhere and everyone one cast him out at that school chur and so so it wasn't just you know there's definitely a lot of build up to him. 'cause they accepted him right out of the gate No no questions asked one hung out with this thing with recruitment and other stuff of people that feel like they're outsiders they have no place in world and they're taken into gangs or or other family organizations to yet because they want just a place in the world and this is not where Harley comes from no exact she doesn't have to. I just thought it was like there was there was like There wasn't like an actual solid story to his character and higher learning. Because I was like the movie was revolved around. Yeah no but the dark features are seeing something of similarity or something that you can coax and grow I think. That's Kinda how Harley. Let her guard down and the jokers able to come in and like her falling for him and seeing his point of view letting herself be manipulated. Because of that you he knows seeing glimpses of oath or something good but it was manipulative but dark. I there's a lot of different nuances to that. Yeah when I think you see some of these parallels with other comic book characters. But it's not done in such a depraved dark way. Where in the first avengers movie? You Got Tony Stark. Mark telling banner like let the beast out like why are you so protective of it and kind of like heart. harleys stuff that she's trying to that keep at bay jokers like let it out like why why are you letting the world dictate who you are. And that's kind of Tony Stark with banner but the difference is that banner is a hero and is able to directed me whereas jokers like yeah go crazy so we can murder the world and in a similar way with a UH prior to getting the joker that we have that. Bring that manipulates Harley. We've got how the joke came about it. It was. It's been brought up in two to three different origin. Stories of the joker with all came down to the same thing it was that one bad day he leads. Your brings it up in dark knight in the Newest Joker with walking Phoenix fucking. Ada Dude Shit fucking day. Oh my God and then there was another one. I feel like that was Where was it the was it one of the animated I is on the animated more? The animated movies it was it was under the Red Hood where he was a really good dude he was trying to he was a he was a comedian and he was trying to make money for his pregnant wife at home and he got fucked over one bad day and then lost his job to do the drop in the VAT thing but I don't think the vet was what made him under the Red Hood that was not. I think you're was it. Killing joke. Was this his bow killing joke. Dirt don't read who was involved in killing feeling. That's what it was and it's just yeah they say they don't really tell you the chemical the medium crazy I think it was just like a mixture of he finally snapped. He'd had so much here on the shoulders kind of thing and the killing joke. That was that was Mark Hamill animal and the did the voice that he put into that character going through those things it was. Just anyone can have that bad day in that moment that you can snap so it was really interesting. How his voice did that for the animated series and having done stand up myself? It's not not unheard of the idea of like a comedian becoming a evil villain like having done stand up and been around other other comedians and stuff like that and it's not true for all by any stretch of the imagination but like to be able to be that witty. There's usually some real darkness that that comes from so you get around group of Comedians off stage. And you're going to hear the darkest most depraved shit you've ever heard so deeply self deprecating and so dark and so like nihilistic in a lot of ways and so it having stand up I felt like I understood joker better by just being around other Stanford Comedians because there is that nihilism in a joker as well and to see that his origins at least in killing joke came from stand. Stand up Yeah that tracks. Yeah that's super tracks. I think it can be agreed though that every just pretty much every origin story of the joker. He's been some sort of somebody. I wanted to make people happy at one point some of his own unhappiness and that seems to be like the common theme with stand up Comedians. Definitely get into that kind of profession that they've got some laugh. I must be okay. Yeah the only one and this isn't devil's advocate. This is just because is like I am. I agree with you. The only one was fucking Tim Burton's Batman he was just a shit bag from the get-go he was. He was a fucking asshole. They killed his parents for what. And then you know like falls into a VAT and a bad hastings runs to the fun chemical plant like he was a piece of shit and he was. There was only one that there was really no rhyme or reason why he was the joker besides that he fucking chemicals so look the laziest origin story actually the joker it really was nearly was. There's this means going around at the different versions of joker there's the gangster the the psycho the different iterations of gentlemen the gentlemen the a sixty six Batman that they're just as note that always great. Yeah the clown Prince of crime actually is literacy of crime. Man Who loved loved loved his Look so much refused to shave his fucking Mustache Lori. Paint over my mouth so good so good but also in the sixties with Batman. They're like fuck it. Yes we're making a kid show about this comic book like nobody gives a shit and then I'm like Oh fuck people. People are paying attention The show was a big pile. Fuck it let's just do it so many things so good. I'm favorite definitely Batman Dancing Surf Competition Ooh. Yeah the from the Batman. Movie The bomb where he's running around for like ten minutes with this bomb electronic. Find a place where you can toss it where it can blow up and not hurt anybody and that just there's nowhere I know where to put it. This is running around with this bomb. That's just not going off until it literally could have done anything with anything anything. He's running around. AWW China bomb or whatever but what do you think. Speaking of the sixty six Batman and I know writer would have even thought about about this but putting a car at creating a character Harley back then because we had cat woman we had poison ivy we had yet vacuum came in but a character as strong long as the particular origin story. We talked about the Harley Quinn. I don't think the world was ready for that kind of you. Know he was definitely a different type of character. Came out and the ninety s and was much more of a character that you would see that. Yeah I think that's why we're still in the nineties to still like US awesome. She hit that kind of bombshell punk rocker. Girl we're ready for it raged Florida had tank girl. They were ready and there was just something about the nature of that part of the nineties that I mean. It's within like a year that Harley Quinn and Deadpool came out That so there. There is something about that period of time that I don't know if it was just culturally musically what was happening just as a as a culture cheerleaders as role models. They needed something else and it was. Maybe we are a little bit of that kind of like alternative punk rock kind of attitude come and was like a punk rock cheerleader. Yeah she's Narcan yes so oh snarls and also there is a lot of fourth wall breaking where I think. It was kind of the beginnings of the changes in comics general that that signal does that. It wasn't so much that can't be episodic kind of approach. We had comics that I hadn't been doing that for a while. Like the X men comics the Clermont run in the eighties and stuff were fantastic. And we're way more than just that episodic kids comic kind of thing but it was becoming more and more prevalent in adult readers by the nineties. So you're getting characters like deadpool characters like Harley Quinn that speak to this new viewership of people that want these snarky character. Fourth Wall breakers making pop culture references. That feel like somebody that you hang out with your friends in the basement. We'll smoking wheat very relatable. Yeah as a peer almost and association they draw you in breaking that fourth wall. They're looking at me the talking to me. Oh I right and if you've ever Lala Delusional no not not that I ever did that. And hanging out with meetings also comic book nerds. You're hanging around with a bunch of comic book nerds. You're going to have some weird dark doc. Sense of humor going around so it makes sense to have characters that have that kind of personality as well that are Weirdos and yes and even in this in this town where there's people that are dressed up like fucking like with question marks over their bodies have calendars on his head just like scarecrows AARC. Rose Fuck it whatever that guy. I don't know it doesn't matter anymore guy. There's yeah there's egghead win. The Penguin was making this breakfast sandwich. How much you've who was that guy? So what what what. which animated I liked? Are we talking about the Orion the way for Harvey earlier that that was my particular favorite but I feel like that was in one of the assault on pre. Was it a Arkham assault on Arkham mm-hmm that they showed that which was which one was that in. Because I feel like I've been in a few things I think was the one that was approached in mad love. I believe leaves. Oh I think it's when Harley for shows up that origin of his jokers favor favorite season one three. He was a Dean Tim. I think were the creators of One of them was friends with the lady. That actually inspired Harley Quinn Arleen Sorkin from days of our lives and I looked into that. Apparently more like adjusters southbound down Internet episode. It was a dream like state that she was going to save princess e Lou and then she ended up doing the voice on that series. It's so cool because the original origin isn't the same as what we just talked about with her being super intelligent and a doctor that that kind of was. Yeah so I think eventually grew to want to give her that. Depth of having the the mannequin. Nick and then the The needy nece that she had and then the depravity that she would show with with like now having a problem killing people like that just is went naturally with the evolution of the joker himself to start to try to show the Kinda influence that because this is the guy that didn't doesn't have money. He's not Batman he doesn't have millions and Gillian's exactly to pay people or gizmos and gadgets and all the stuff he's gotTa Kinda cobbled together so it's gotta be very influential somehow. So what better way to do that than to have his little his gun mall his little sidekick will that and that also leads with joker gets captured neath stone arkham asylum How would he naturally meet someone new? Oh what's doctor or another inmate and a doctor makes it much more easy. 'cause then it's leads to a way for him to break out your jokers going to be like Oh. We met at Church childhood friend. Not The meet Cute Harley but at the same time the joker can use a meet my doctor and it's like Oh wait I'm GonNa let you think you're getting enemy but really I'm just I'm just digging girl like he totally you totally just reverse I. Students Joker like nineties are in be leaning. Was It us you know but seriously like the right because somebody can play with up through you know mentally play with somebody because he totally gives no Fox about who he damages. WHO also? That's that's joker being like. Oh here's here's a fun game. Let me see how much I can fuck up this person. That has their shit together. Yeah yeah this is to prove to himself that he's mastermind at manipulation is to take this. This person that's Keith. Sees Little Little crack and just keeps picking at it and picking at it and picking out until the law falls apart but it's funny because she's actually tucked away in her own issues her own problems and he doesn't see that so her crazy comes out later on and where she actually tries to kill him. How many times so I don't think he doesn't like her actual crazy? No not a fan of actual also crazy is more dangerous than his crazy knowledged time. That's the right relationships male or female that everybody's been in that relationship where you're like. Okay you got some Weirdo cool and then down the road. You're like oh no GEICO break aboard if you're like okay. This isn't a video podcast but we'll we'll do the tally. After I had pulled on him and relationship in ninety four. I mean I worked in kitchens a lot of knives that was like an opening. Call all exact. That was like a week. A wake-up was like okay. I'm GonNa look for everything that you were about and if I see that new car yeah Oh aw damn never never the TRIFECTA. But I hope that's not a try to the people like Yep that's the thing Naipaul's abuse is the knife gun car. That's the O- Rochambeau Russia. That's not a go dark road relationship Rochambeau. ooh It's clear that it was a two way street in that Harley was trying to deal with her own issues and seeing somebody that wasn't and was happy about now dealing with the issues. That was the avenue that joker didn't even fully realize like you're saying saying that he was taking with her that she was like. Oh cool I can be this and not have to worry about holding everything back so and then then you get Harley Quinn Cajole bore Harlequin and that's where that relationship that toxic relationship I think develops from his NBA. Like Oh shit. This is just a fun. Game for me but I think he realizes sooner than she does that. This went really bad real quick because he tries to kill her. I think that's a lot of the reason to why he probably did. A lot of that was to push that away. It's like wait a minute kind of getting close to this person. I'm GonNa shut you out of a window. Yeah I'm GonNa Stab you now. I'm going to you know whatever whatever shooter he's done he's done after the first time he realized that I think he also made a mental note. That like I'm only going to get close to her to have we do what I want. And then I'm just GonNa side yeah once. I've used her killer again but it wasn't because he was closer because like I just I need it for this thing killer person. They do this then. It doesn't work. I can use it again for this. So try to kill her again after that and on and on and on just keeps. She's been used a well. She's not useful anymore actually gets pissed off that she catches Batman. And she's like you're gonNA BRING ME AND MR J back together and MR J gets there and is best west at her. I saw something really funny. Where they liken Batman to Dr Phil and the Harley job a relationship with some kind of I want that Melito and I was like Oh my God? What a thing? The man who has serious daddy. Mommy issues and dresses like a bad is going to be the rain. The reigning any person here for eight Suhail is healthy. Do know that Dude looks spray. Tan House doesn't look like a guy that is sitting in the dark in his living room in his underwear ugly sobbing loudly. Britney Spears to see him as like how deep is your I love playing. BG's Beatty Teaching. You'll be knocking them. BG's live that's him trying to Jesus itself Mimic the joker seen in the beginning where he's like making him smile bristling the mustache. Dr Phil is the joke. The T shirt. Oh Dude. Oh Yes oh I might have to work on that. Oh God that is a good spot not for us to take our break. Guys can listen to stuff going on and we can really marinade and this whole Dr Phil dressed as the joker so uh yes to Britney Spears of. BG's either okay. 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Yes Max distillery and they were close to April but then went to the store and colpepper before tucking into the The quality in that we're staying in We found that they have some climax Beverages available climax is a brand developed by Tim in Smith who you may be familiar with from the show moon shiners us one of the Moon shiners that got arrested so much that he became famous and famous enough to get Some funding to start his own distillery. Now there's a criminal that I can def. Yeah absolutely part of the reason why he's up that way way and why the distillery is up that way that one of his last stretches in jail and I got this from the woman that worked at the ABC store the insight because apparently comes in all the time and we're also told to go a place called peppers grow the locals hang out and that is the bar in the western. That's let's look like a Walmart. There's no there's not it. They had a picture of Tim. Smith right next to the register at peppers so but apparently the reason why hi he is so it was just him like thumbs up But apparently the reason he's up that way is that he was in a prison near by one of his last stretches and then he got out and then ended up marrying his parole officer. Okay so this is actually very appropriate varies episode because actually a weird parallel to joker and Harley appreciate you good choice. Yeah so and so I have a signed bottle here do oh yeah yeah. We did. Well assigned bottled signed by Tim. Smith and this is a well whiskey by way of moon shining. So it's it's an interesting smell. It's a different flavor than a lot of whiskies. So it's very smokey and very clear if I I can see that as a flavor is not what. It's not rounded Bourbon. It's kind of sharp. It's not milord no no thank goodness sharp. It tastes like somebody toward a little whiskey and a little campfire ashes in the moon shine. It's it's yeah. The faces are appropriate. 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Never bring your own booze you go. You go buddy you have to make up a story about the guy who created it that will fit the theme of the podcast. I'll just officer something different each time I would say climax. Whiskey is not available in all. ABC stores. But if you're up in culpeper way you can probably find relatively easy and I would like to check out the distillery and we like is it just in the woods is just like this is my shed nearby. Shine is good. Like I've had the Moonshot. I saw the moonshine. Moonshine was there too but I was like WISC COOL I. I should have gotten a you know I got. I'll give credit. Their moonshine. Process is definitely different than whiskey. So that's why I'm saying and then you jump into the other room saying so like I'm I'm getting definitely the moonshine background from this. Because it's got the it's very sharp And he's very clear so in a moonshine. You expect that but what goes into making a good whisky. You don't don't want to be young. This tastes like my whiskey Shit Smell Oh that painting that way it after you guys I could be because I've gone to the bathroom for him And he goes to this. Are you gonNA describe. Describe my whiskey shits now this because I don't want to vomit. When I saw this I can tell that that part of the I know? Let you keep your dignity Michelle you brought a tasty beverage that you're enjoying what I did. I have a collaboration between Hollywood and to S P it's Wa wa exclusive. The Coffee Cake Reserve tried it a few weeks ago and was actually really impressed. The selling point for me though was where where it says contains coconut. Because there's this coconut beer that comes from I think it South Africa and there's only one place that I have founded and it's that bro tasting. maxes up in Baltimore rotating so good they have this coconut stout that's just creamy and delicious. And I'm and I've been looking for for that because you can't find it anywhere. Beer is unusual. 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Canadian A lot up there here in the states is not so much. Let's talk a lot. But they do get here to that and they they have some really solid beers like I've I've probably had ten of their beers rotating consistently that are really fucking good. So nice are we're getting onto our next one our next little segment here. This is the true shit. Show test here time that we decided to pick pick up some voices some Some accents in trier hands at a making a drunken seen Making a drunken see him. So we've got two different segments here two different scenes that we're going to be doing here the first one. Actually I think we have spots for all four of us on the first one but it's shorter from Batman the animated needed series from nineteen ninety-three. This is the Harley and ivy episode is really kind of cements early on the relationship between Harley and Ivy. That's very important relationship. That gets romantic in the in the comics to a pretty steamy. Yeah the animated series so much they kind of shrug away from that a little bit insinuate sinuous they do insinuate so this is from Harley. Ibm We've got I can do the narration. If that's cool you guys beautiful boy. lockdowns could be a frat boy and and then WHO'S GONNA be playing poison ivy left eye? And then that leaves Steph to play Harley Queen. That's right all right so I'm going to start with the narration here. And let's get it started a trio of Frat boys pull up alongside Harley and Ivy and make some lewd comments now. Boys did in your room. Mommy's teach you. That's not the way to get a ladies. Attention slaps his but what are you going to do. spank me that's right. Pigs raises a bazooka. And here's the paddle yelling. The boys leap out of their car and run just before Harley blows it to pieces talk Nice watching episode of Batman totally totally. We'll the caped crusaders skipped escape. Keep this differential thing. Words there are no caped crusaders here. Yeah it sounded the way he narrated kind of reminding the Frat boy what a minute exactly. What my issues that? I had with the birds of prey movie well first off. It's not a birds of prey movie. That is straight up Harley movie. The birds of prey are in it. But it is a Harley Quinn movie but it also the narration. The voice over it. The film uses the voice over to explain what's happening in the scenes instead of letting the scenes actually explain it as it's happening there's not a whole lot of like weird yeah distracting. It's very distracting that instead of have through dialogue nation it was Harley basically I Tanya but a little more crazy actually kind of has a little bit of that I Tanya vibe to yeah not in DC so great does not in Medina. I'm of the thought process. That oftentimes voice over can be used as a lazy. He means to develop the plot without actually putting it into the story and I kind of felt that there was a little bit of that. Now I'm not saying that. The film is without merit. There are some genuinely good moments in the in birds of prey. Some really fun things. There's some weird shit that happens and there's a couple times gets pointed out how weird it is in the movie that makes it like wait. Why are they oh they commented on it? Cool those moments and I love. How could you not have weird shit? And it be Harley Quinn sure yeah so you expect that to degree but I think I don't think it was the material so much that I had an issue so much as the composition of the material out all the parts were put together. That felt a little bit disjointed. And what I. It really was not planning on going to theater to see this now. I'm going to have to violence. We'll start there okay but I'm intrigued. I'm hopeful I really am I am. I will say that the merits that I give to it is that the character Harley is way better than she was in suicide squad. Now it's similar you. You can see that it's not a totally different caricature continuation continuation of but something. That I thought was really nice. is they play into her. Having been a psychiatrist Kaya trysts before. Oh she's been buck wild crazy. She's explaining to people what's wrong with them. Which is fun? It's a really fun thing that they add in that. I thought it was a really smart. That's intriguing action. Yeah okay so that was really cool. I don't I don't think she did a bad job. Margarita bad job of of Harley in birds of I pray she did in suicide squad but I'm not even gonNA blame her for that. That was her fault. It was going to say yeah I think she. Yeah I liked her. I like her Harley. Quinn I Korea is fan I have some misgivings about it too degree. Just because I'm so deeply a fan of the the Jester Harlequin Hearken Arken to that they do and I appreciate it that but I think it's just the Glam out Harley it's their aspects of it I'm not a huge fan of but I don't think Margot Robbie herself is doing a bad job right. I think it's just it's a take and it's one of those that it's not my Harley Quinn and I have to just kind of come to terms with that and which I mean that's the tables over time when it comes to the assurance that we've been getting where like it's not the version that you fell him like you particularly if you like the Joker and then you see ledger. He's leading. This isn't my joker. No that's not exact man has changed. How many times swayed Joe from Adam West to Michael Keaton to Christian? Bale kilmer does not. It had to be mentioned. Talk George Clooney to and then then we get Christian Bale and now we got athlete. And now we're getting Robert Pattinson right up so many different very almost almost forgot. I'd almost forgotten what that also with With joker we've got so many different iterations of joker from the Tim Burton Joker to Heath Ledger. And now then we gotTa Romero's joker the joker the basically Scorsese Joker we've we've got. Don't forget the animated joker Mark Hamill More Campbell. Course which is my joker really comes down at least the one that I was really raised with the voice in the game. The Games too. Yeah so all the Arkham asylum Arkham city like like. That's the director so we're going to do a short arts scene from joker from two thousand nine booming that we're going to do it. Looks like it. Or there's there's no reason at right at the end there if somebody wants to take on ration- okay okay here we go so Do you want to be Arthur flicker joker or a Murray Marie. Okay then I will be Arthur Fleck Aka the joker go. How about another joke? Murray new. I think we've had enough of your jokes. What do you get? I don't think so when you cross. I think we're done here now. Thank you eight. Mentally in loaded with a society that abandons him and treats him I'm like trash all the blues. Jean Please L.. You what you get you get what you freak into joker shoots Mary in the head killing him instantly. Why did you why did you fuck fuck talk fuck because I was trying to broker and Hamilton? Yeah Oh do those terrible Kim Kim Yu King and the head die instant. That's what we're doing to this episode Do ooh what a statement real quick. I am actually not offended by the Robert Pattinson Batman. I'm intrigued. I mean I give originally the lighthouse vet. Mother has some acting child. I'll be watching the lighthouse weekend and Yeah I I've heard nothing but good things. Also he was an Australian Australian. Like post apocalyptic over so that was great nanny. We'll see that I I would say it's acting but his dialogue is a great because he plays basically like a fucking Hick talks like this brain damage. Stuff going yeah also see it as another way for Batman to have a different a different inside of him boy. I hope there's no one's different makes sense for him and his and even though he puts muscle who still be small like also be smaller. Batman is if they do your one which which ones their names on the presence that would NIA that That would be great to see my screen would be really good. I feel like he's a great casting for that. Okay so jaded. I've been through this. How many yeah? Why don't you just die exactly? Yeah so I do want to get into on the second half here. Come the post breakup joker and Harley from the comics and the well animation as well. Now they've done and also if anybody else has anybody checked out the animated Harley Quinn show from the the the DC show. I've watched a few episodes so cute. She superheroes this new one. I CAN T B S. I like that and it's the voice acting the voice which I think I don't know if it's in the series or not but one of the women from Big Bang theory. Did her voice on at least a couple of the animated movies. I'm not sure I I'm not sure she's the one that does the Harley Quinn show or different voices for her early in the the dark knight returns that Quick Blip. She's the one that helps. Joker get out the last time. Kinda thing you got Batman and Harley Quinn which is fucking off desert tire that movie. Here's here's a portable karaoke to the pretender scene where she's shaking her Zimba's at a bunch of rednecks. In some. Like roadhouse bar and it's like the whole song the whole song of her just like shaking her boobs at all these rednecks and it's weird lead. Not Cared cared really. It isn't isn't isn't so if you watch Harley Quinn from her first nation in the animated series through like the comics the Games back into the movies like animated movies and into present day. They really liked develop her sexuality more and more and more but that's developed it. What made it so awesome is so quirky? Was that at you I. She wasn't like she won't look at the duality between poison ivy and Harley people like I made Poisons Lipstick Geos to seduce you. Poison your ass Harley Quinn's like okay so I'm really cute and while you're not paying attention to this bog algorithm. Hey you wanna bone. It's amazing slapstick from it's like poison ivy creates a perfume where like like she sprays it on in her home home and then goes to where she's going and it's still fucks with the dude and put them in a daze like boom there. You Go. Yeah Harley Quinn you know she can fuck like so. You're dead Schon yet. Also in a Batman versus Harley Quinn when she She fucks a might wing and Bevin Harley Quinn. And he's just like no I don't want this you can do. Don't WanNa fuck brought night wing saints. Only he's and Robin I volunteer as tribute all game all game. I'll let you toss around my battering the show go the great things about assault on Arkham was her action Jay because when they had to break him out to help how trap by Amanda Waller when they got in there too and they went to break out. Joker in Holly's like Nah she had none. That job is trying to like talk to her. Like she's like O J. I'm done with Yo Jay. Ah I wish I mean fuck but no pretty much that I love that she just turned around like fuck you Bam had enough like not for being the side character enough of being abused. Multiple Times used everything she was done. I really respected that. I was like whereas quitting hid the daughter from him. That's the Harley Quinn that we wanted to see and that's something that there were notes of this. I think I'm kind of disappointed in birds appraise because there were. We're not like this okay. This is what I want for the move out. No we're done now. We're going into Zany. Okay cool cool. Had nothing wrong with that but this is right after their breakup cup and like UC her struggling with being literally addicted to their abusive relationship and struggling with it and trying make a name for herself and like trying to find out who she is without the joker because now she's she's not just Harley and she's hardly early Clinton. She's never been Harley Quin by herself she's never had that character without missed the J.. So you see note of that in this movie and I want that movie. I want to see her struggling and having commentary on the toxicity of abusive relationships. And how can break you down to your base level where you don't even know who you Are In like these are important. harleys notebook home. That's the sequel is just taking summer at a lake house to kind of figure. Shit out out remake the League house where it goes through time and then like she she's exchanging letters with Bruce Wayne through imagine how badly so l. badly but serious though. Do I think what you're saying. I don't WanNa see now because it sounds like we're getting part art of what I want but not all of it that you think that it's because for some reason those dumb Fox that fucking fun this fucking movie and then make these fucking movies. Don't don't realize that the fuck that's what fucking people want. I mean do they not realize that people want this Harlequin. Are they too blind to see that. The Harley Quinn is evolved at this point where the people that are fans over character once. You fucking see this. They don't WanNa see the Zany Dumb Shit. All you know. I think what it is is fun but serving multiple masters and any movie. That's trying to do do that. It's Townsley as a problem. Margaritas co-producer on this she does have some creative control over and they have a female director on this movie as well and it what what I like is it does have some not ham handed girl power moments and like hunters is fucking red because it's like one character that's centered in realism. We're like the character is just like what the fuck is going on like is just this like grizzled assassin character like Michael do cheap Geez just like playing like a normal fucking person and all this wild shit is happening around or should i. Well I'm just here for all right just completely not like she's in a different movie in this movie and I love that it works all right. You're doing this. I don't care about any any of this. I'm at my own story line here are we. Okay well. I guess I'm thought all right. I love that but there are these parts of this movie. That are great and if they were fleshed out a little bit more and we're a little bit more had a little more connective tissue to each other. It worked a little better. It's just it's just disjointed. Not as bad as the editing issues from suicide squad because you know I think there's some real good bones into the story and I'd like to see them kind of maybe get not as many hands involved you either do full Zany Wackadoo the fantastic nece or you something. That's centered around like escaping toxic abusive relationship and that's one the comics where she rooms in with like cat woman and Ivy like where. She's discovering yourself that way that I think might have been a better and see. There's like enough time in the move moving to really delve into long building. It's an hour and forty nine minutes out really know with a long time. I don't know movies now but energy energy they're trying to do the Zany stuff and also this story they're like it's a deadpool movie and a continuation of suicide squad and a escaping gaping or abusive relationship story. And like it's doing all these different things trying to pull it all together and there's just not enough room in a two hour movie to do three or four different movies in one so it sounds like basically what he's been doing since the fucking beginning whereas trying to do slam all talk one movie man. I want them to realize that like I. I'm not a DC. Hater I love. DC content is fucking. Do it right. Don't combined so many things all into one or is that like jake do it right. Make make one really really good. Do not rushing for fucking finish line. Like what are you rushing for like. You're not behind anything. You're different fucking franchise or scripts fondly a one a one pages one minute of film time in a script abnormally on average so a script for two hour movie is one hundred twenty minutes of one hundred twenty eight hundred hundred twenty minutes for a two hour movie. That's not a lot of pages describing like stuff that's going on dialogue everything that you have a lot that goes into those hundred twenty pages so sometimes finds a similar story tells a better story. Yep you don't slam packed with everything trying to introduce all these characters at the same time and also so continue character that people love but give it more depth well introducing these other characters and all the side plots stuff in like just hammer it all in together it gets convoluted and you missed the point a lot of the time and I feel that kind of was the the problem with birds of prey. Yeah having the the nuances added into a simpler story really makes it more more and makes people want to come back. Continue Gimme Gimme that like I want I want to. I want to juicy. I don't need all the fucking Frizz and the pizzazz Hazan you make sure sparkle now over getting from DC as sparkly ship coming. People say that they really enjoyed birds of prey like they loved it and stuff so this is just my personal opinion. I'm not I'm not saying that. This is like the adult like preaching from the mountain. Kinda thing it's I'm actually genuinely interested to see what the rest on the panel and also our listeners. Think about birds of prey. Because I feel like this is going to be one of those movies that you either are like big fun movie love it. It's Great Harley. Quinn is so much fun on screen and there are moments that Super Fun but there are also people that understand how a movie is made. Like how right fucking ready to screenplay he got the hero's journey kind of thing that there's just there's a lot of moments where it feels like. There's a set they made everybody's hang around slack jawed. Well she's he's I am Harlequin and I do crazy stuff and people just in the background standing there waiting for her to like and I'm going to shoot people okay and the only time to react is when they're the person being shot in the. There's no it's these little set pieces of I'm GonNa do any stuff here. Okay move over now. I mean this scene with these new characters and I'm doing stuff here and there you could have filmed it in Detroit. They could've yeah but see that. That is the problem that I had with her with her character specifically aside from many other flaws with suicide squad like going into jerker because that joker I I literally go to my life not acknowledging. They didn't give her enough reason to be on the suicide. There you go there you go. They didn't give her enough reasons to even fucking be. Yeah they're like what did she do. She broke windows installed a purse. I think that's all she did in that fucking and then from then on the only other thing that happens main back. Oh she came joker try. Try To fucking kill her and threw her away. That's what happened to her character in the movie. She stole some shit and then she got thrown away. That's what happened. Abernethy fucking movie. I feel maybe what was trying to wrestle with the demons of this being kind of a continuation of suicide squad and that was such trash that they had to kind of pander to that a little bit and maybe if Harley wasn't in suicide squad and they can start scratch we would debit probably would have gotten a better movie if they had done. Suicide squad like the comics exp. Where jazz had the back story of being completely separate from joker at that point and being in the squad and that like her young permanent new jere Lito veto had to be in or they had to introduce the new joker then everybody hated so much that they made another joke? Yeah because like apparently Jared LETO was furious because he meant he said adamantly that he wanted to do was stand. Low Joker movie and then they cashed walking then. They gave it to an excellent excellent. Act An excellent actor did been nominated for best actor. What like what like not even for this but also for what? Walk the line he got nominated for an Oscar. Ah Seriously Dude. Amazing fucking gladiator is well. I think yes ater took. Oh fucking break because he did some crazy rep shit her yes or was crying or was great. Hey He did have a little gap where he was doing the man whatever but as far as if you look at his fucking movies. The man is consistent. Didn't making great fucking Shit Okay. We're GONNA hit on joker a little bit before we're done here because that is definitely a total change to the tone of joker joker the clown Prince of crime that. He's this Zany character a lot of the time. And then you've got. I don't think you're going to get the the Joker Movie Joker Without Heath Ledger. Like that's who getting the Scorsese Joker and I don't mean stepping stone in a bad way. He's ledger it's a jump. We've gone death of the family dark with the there's some we've gone carving my face off and stadium back on we're at that level of joker that I'm sorry I've been waiting. Ears are just like that's the character. Yup that's the character that was specifically talking about yet. That is what the character ultimately needed to be evolved to because feel that is the episode of the chaos that is inside joker and I feel they made flesh as a society. We weren't prepared for that kind of joker until recently because there's a lot more conversation thankfully about mental health north enormous. Talk about it right. No Yeah if you have this kind of joke out in the eighties. They'd be like this is we can't do that on unreal like this is to unrealistic. People aren't going to be able to bite into this but the the way it's portrayed. People have enough of understanding of mountain mental illness. And how you can hate the illness but not the person or or also so you can be like yeah. It is the person's fault for not actually handling their mental illness. The appropriate way like there's a lot of nuance conversation. That comes into that that you you feel for the joker without celebrating. What he's doing and because it's a multilayered character now? The society has the tools the knowledge alleged mental illness. to be able to eat that you know to be able to fully dissect that so what we are they just not technology like. There's a lot of movies that get get made because they didn't have the technology to do it. This needed the taboo of mental illness to dissipate a little bit and the knowledge of mental illness to kind of further permeate. Before you can have this movie so I also think too is that we're starting to step into the joker that has to evolve with Batman as well. Oh yeah like those are the two. That's his nemesis forever and ever and ever. That's a soul obsession is Batman and Batman has gotten. We've seen a lot of incarnations nations Batman going from the guy that want to kill anybody who wants to do good. He wants to fight crime but he's got this really fucked up dark side now. How how much more can you counter that except to make his nemesis even darker? If not more exactly you just touched. Donate the joke that the Batman and the joker or two of my favorite comic book characters of all time. I'm talking I'm not I don't mean. DC Eh. I mean like of all time of all of all time. It's fan things like I'm a guy. Oh but also Batman Joker right. I'm just saying they are above and beyond so for me. I want that because there's nobody Batman Fan. They met me this fucked. The Dude is fucking wrecked okay and also. The joker is fucking wreck. They are like one of the same to me just just one of them is ready. Ready to go and did go that extra mile to prove his point. Batman has still yet to cross the line. And that's that's why I think that's the reason why is George. Carlin and joker is Bill Hicks. Oh that's good as butter. Oh right there baby that their style of comedy are very similar all about linguistics. And all that. But there's a chaos to fix that Carlin doesn't possessed. There's a chaos inside Batman that he owns to where he doesn't kill people. There have been comic iterations of Batman so I'm going outside of the cinema aspect where he is wanted to murder and he doesn't and also universe Batmans and at just like he does. Murder Alternate report is exactly where something has changed in his life or in his time line. That has made made him into that murderous character. But we also see how the joker not just manipulates Harley but also manipulates Bruce Wayne or Batman Atman into doing things that he normally do either so why not who else right into that well and who else could do. That's about manning's someone who is equally as fucked as Batman. Exactly exactly one of the same coin different high as cannon fodder for that as well and they both do. It's not just joker Batman does it uh-huh Batman is equally as fuck like he's he's not free of sin has never been free of sin been approached on every single single whether it be comic books animated or live action. There's always that line is like we're not so different you and I. That's why I mean big Joe had that's why they're yes equal. Yeah missus joker is nemesis. Batman Batman is the MRS for Jokers Mirror. They're like fighting each other. They're like fighting themselves. Part of the reason why this connected with people so much. The joker I think was in the second or third issue of the Batman comics and then was soup was considered the first super villain of comics because he was a regular returning and character You've got normally. There's the light side the the bright colors that no bright Mike colorful like happy fun character. That's usually as a guy to a DC conversation and then then you've got the bad guy. Carrots usually dark and brooding and stuff so this is the first I on the turns it on its head where the manic happy colorful character is a monster and then you've got the dark brooding character. That's the hero and this was back in the fucking late thirties. They're pulling this. But that's why I love harleys character because Harley is that in between Jews Zany but then she also has super dark and she flip flops back and forth where she becomes at Anti Hero. You're aware she has good intentions but then bad actions or bad intentions intentions and good actions And just before we wrap it up I do want to give some Some credit to wear the joker came from your right habit. He was like these SEC. At believe it was the third episode ISSUE OF DC COM. Well that time it was. DC WITH DETECTIVE COM detective comics unexplained injuries the joker but he wasn't fired actually by Nineteen Twenty eight silent film Wright played by Conrad Unread Viet if I if I'm pronouncing that if you look at the photo of the few it's this fucking joker it's the fucking show. Yeah it's it's it's the fucking joker like that doesn't creepy shit. Yep and I'm like oh I can white but you can watch the red light purple. Well Yeah you know. They used all that just to get because even though black and white film had to still tunnel they had they had to do Jones to make it seem like there is depth the addams family that had the pink house the Interior was. Actually the walls. Were Pink because it came out more brilliant. The munsters Adams Adams a kind of come to the conclusion on Harley Quinn on her erasure Sir creation and the development of the character is that it was initially a character that was supposed to be kind of a pivot for the joker character to show another side of him and show just how darkening Arken and crazy he was now maybe when she came out there wasn't as much consideration about her as a character and more about what it did to joker But people latched onto Harley because enough people have experienced in toxic relationships or that people felt like highly alien joke of people felt for Harley and understood her place in this. And so I think actually the development of Harley Quinn was Kinda Shitty to start conditioning there's been picking it up and understanding the dynamic and knowing how to write Harley Quinn as the victim character that also is is enabling enabling joker to continue his his continued. But then but then you see that that spectrum chain where we're then becomes more powerful than more aware of her strength and is able to get away from choker but it took from ninety three ninety two ninety three when she came out till twenty thirteen in two thousand thirteen when she finally broke up with. Joker yeah so it took a while. But I think it's because Harley Ivy's folk band also the Environment Armand changed except you know people are willing to continue to support that coupling anymore and because as much as it does have important conversation about toxic relationships. The conversation needs to continue with getting out of that toxic relationship. You you can't have it happen forever. Yeah because then it's just it's actually like like women spoi- abuse it's GonNa come under fire. It's GonNa it'd be just a lifetime movie over and over again just or just like the worst case of Stockholm Syndrome harlequin played by Laurie. Bertinelli comes a hallmark movie. Yeah you don't want that and that's the thing it's like you know Her her getting our own voice was was the necessary progression for but also when she didn't have her own voice. Women that said like I WANNA release your Black Joker ochre and Harley clearly do not understand now what a fucking narcissist and a fucking appears like an weird. I WANNA weird person to and it's like like no you don't WanNa fuck you haven't seen the movies. Yeah you know when. Somebody's GONNA literally be the most selfish motherfucker occur in the world. Never give you what you want to love you. You just give them everything they need and you are strictly their for their own yet. Get personal no no no joker Gomez addams that is do you wanna go or Herman Munster or her. It was green little quirks. He loved He. Lo Long. Love love let alone little quasi love love yeah. They had to develop the character for her to stay and there was enough of a fan base that they needed to make her stay so developing her and breaking her way from joker and having her create into this character. Who's finding yourself that that really aligns with so many more people not just women but any person trying to figure out who they are after a bad break up everyone can relate to that hauser sir? Not a book called. How hard back? Oh my God I mean. She did find Roller Derby title. The group found Roller Derby the aggression but like but she got home helmet. Knocked your teeth out. But we're having a beer afterwards like when she went Harley moves them with Ivy and cat woman and they like have this awesome or they didn't orgy. Yeah I wanna Farro whatever you do. Watch the right one So yeah so they have the three roommates. And then you have the the togetherness of Harley and Ivy and then you really do think that there could be a threesome ish. Each Other's hair eating each other popsicles. Yeah and then Wade into different one. The new fifty two takes it into a different day big goals. I WanNa Watch that I do have to one less thing about comics especially DC bombshells justice. That is a whole great way to see the women characters of DC and different light. And I really appreciate how they he did that. Also the illustration for the DC core George's have all sorts of swag to go along with it. Lots of swag so I will say that birds of prey though for me. It didn't really quite hit the mark. I think they should still try to continue to develop the the birds. Appraises thing to do. Work on on Harley Quinn more to get these. These female characters can hold a franchise on their own. It's just make sure it's well written The biggest thing was pulled from that originally original series that was horrible. The original birds of prey series. Yeah we didn't touch on that at all so bad. I Live Action Harley Quinn from the nineteen ninety s birds of prey series. Yeah not as good for like superhuman powers that took her from a normal person to like listening. I I did. What thirteen episode exactly pilot? Is it not much. Go ahead and dig into Harley Quinn. The character birds of prey on the birds of prey as well. Mary flocking trae entre. Sus is fantastic. Check those out. Go in and check out birds prey. I didn't have a bad time. I wasn't mad that I paid full price ticket and I was not mad about it. I it wasn't a no look away. DACA billions just swimming in your popcorn on the floor and taste. I was like I'm never coming back to this establishment this trash and it was. I didn't have any expectations back next week. SEEING SAUNA GETS fine. Oh God oh yeah so. We'll see our soul. Shake it up. If you want on Let us know what you think about. 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"Welcome back to mutual PODCASTS. At your host Chris here with Roe and Brandon and we are here to review as I said before probably pointing to them per se. No longer fucking name of this fucking movie is Harley Quinn and that's what this will with the Joker Harley. Quinn joins US superheroes black canary countries and Renee Montoya to save a young girl from an evil crime Lord directed by Cathy N in The writer is Christina. Hodgson right before stars Margot Robie says Mary. Elizabeth pointed. Who else in this this journey small? Oh she's also spirit. I'm sorry the the writers apparently supposed to be writing the flash. We'll see about and she's also attach the screenplay for backer as well and she wrote me so go figure go figure I'm Jim Right into this. I liked it. I had fun with IT I. It's not perfect it's a little uneven. Even obviously this is about Harley Quinn and just a you know surface introduction of the people who make up birds of prey but overall. It's it's now my second favorite DC movie behind she's am which shocked the shit out of me. 'cause I went in with no expectations at all. I think it was about DC films. I have the same way. It's Suzanne this and then a distant third is one woman. I think going low expectations. Things are no expectations at all. Like again I think people kind of get some push back when I said it was hardly Conan them but like I mean and I was prepared for that I think if I went into this film really expected it to be a Birger pray. I might've felt a little bit different on that. But just from the minute they they put that long as Harley Quinn and you saw the who the person leading this charge was as Margot Robie from the posters and everything else like air belts. She's she's in her costume. She lives like Harlequin Arabize. Like them you know like you couldn't pick them out if you can. You couldn't pick other characters if you if you wanted to do. Maybe hundred because of the crossbow. But everybody else. You kinda like. WHO's supposed to be? I knew what it was. I knew this wasn't a bird. Birds of prey movie. So that didn't bother me as much as I would have if I went in expecting Film so I've been telling people if you're looking for that that with this film is it is a Harley Quinn Solo film but some also rans and that's fine they don't do a fine job. It's not not wrong but you need to come in expecting expecting expecting that something else. You're going to be a little bit disappointed. I mean they're pretty clear everything. Anything that's been put out about. This movie makes it pretty clear. No I'm I'm with you on that I'm saying some people might come out and I'm looking for that if you're really looking for that hunters moment you're really looking for that black canary moment. You're not really going to get him. And like I'll save my Cassandra. Cain ran for this weather review for the smaller. Because that's not pun intended. But like that is your. I'll save that for then but yeah you've got to know what you're getting you're coming into even getting and this is far above what I've seen. DC put together before. I Know Brennan. You know we mean Brennan talked about this why you have plenty to say about the action scenes the film. You know I mean again. I'll just piggyback off. Shell said but I'll do it in a much meaner. Fashion is Yo- dumb asphalt. If you watched all of the pre the Promo for this in teasers and posters and the name and the fact that the only thing they took away from suicide squad was Harley Quinn issue silly the asphalt if you looked at this and win okay stupi about the birds. It's nine like it never fucking was. They wouldn't have done this film if they didn't want to do a Harley Quinn movie it's not even a Harlequin film disguised as birds of prey film. It's Um Harley Quinn film and of the Women Yeah it's always been net and I don't understand why my focus was so upset on twitter. When some of us who use our good glasses could spot the obvious specials asphalt out of the way the film works like yeah critic are in love with it on a ninety seven million dollar budget? I think they use it very well. You know I think there's a lot of exposition. That could have been cut. But I think they do to establish Harley Quinn's mental state which they do a very good job they do some character building and they do some they do to introduction thing that they did it suicide squad but I think it's better fleshed out and funnier. They're leaning hard in comedy comedy. I think things are going to work. Well for DC from this point if they decide to go this route is one something marble learned lean into your comedy and your action comedy you know know comically slapping people in the face and breaking their bones with a mallet and for them to to like to be contrary to what marble typically typically does make the running time of y'alls movies about one hundred minutes or less put it right there and I think y'all will be just fucking five but if you start trying to lean back to that to our thirty minute running time shit man. I really don't and I think another thing they did hit. It was great. Was the animation portions like dead stuff. DC has always been good with their animation in their storytelling and stuff. And I think for them to incorporate that into a Harley Quinn movie was perfect perfect like. This is a girlie movie. This is a woman kicking ass movie. It is funny and frankly if you go see this and you are disappointed. That is your dumb asphalt because there's nothing about this film that the trailer didn't speak to everything that you are sold in the trailers earliest. Any teasers and posters is in this movie you know what it is you know what it is coming into this. This is a film that it and I pre- this is one of those films is that is funny the way that you were talking about expedition the way that they use Harley Quinn and the way they use her tell the story and knowing that she's a little off her rocker walker there right like it's it reminded me of those people who are trying to have after joker trying to go. Well he's a role Arthur's unreliable narrator regard. Well no the mother fucking if you want to unreliable narrator in combat film do unrelated unreliable narrator uncomfortable you can do that. Harlequin shows this will probably quitting awesome. Shows that you can actually do all that right. You can have an R rated film. You can because they already they make it a thing about it being ra to write the whole thing with Joker Lita also film. Marvel can't do we're going to be serious and dark ingredient marvel kate make kind of them when you when when when DC decide they don't want to fucking do that game and to stay in there fucking lane. They're fucking movie. It works it worked for Suzanne. It worked for this film film. Just do that. That's not just because of that. It works for Harley Quinn Right. The way people know the character having it be spastic and unreliable and then having the other people around that character be more grounded. It's frigging Harley Quinn now not always but for what most people who have any kind of you know visual memory of Harley. They've got her in the Harlequin outfit running around with Mr j on ATV in Clinton so they're actually giving you a three dimensional live action version of the character that a significant number of people associated directly with the the idea and of Harley Quinn and still different outfits and still being being like there's still some serious moments in this film. It's a mess. It's not just all spun games and series. No but it's like the one of my favorite moments when everybody is there's a big fight scene. Everybody's he's fighting. Something's happening and those folks thi change your shoes because all of a sudden she got fucking rollerblades on the books. There's here's number of fucking fight and there's a nation undergoing explaining you look going fucking Harley Quinn. Oh okay. Sure isn't. That's what was fun about it. Like she even tells you she's like I have my best ideas drunk and then she does the stupidest thing you could possibly do for somebody. WHO's in her position in life? And but that's the character but I liked this as way I mean everybody's like Oh. They're abandoning this. They don't have any of these characters introduced into their comic universe on screen gene so to set them up in Gotham to give them some kind of flavor to establish these characters in a way that can carry forward in films and start to undeveloped personality around them. And out of their superhero alter egos. I thought it kind of worked and surprisingly enough. I didn't think I would like who was cast asked and I ended up being okay with all three of the people who were cast as Rene Helen Dina and I didn't. I'M NOT GONNA lie. I didn't think I would good so I thought it worked. I even McGregor was hilarious and just the right kind of foil of sociopathic. All of that stuff. Works and there was enough story for you to hold onto. But it's Harley Quinn so if you come in here and you're expecting them to expound and I really I don't have a problem with people like oh it's a female lead story that's not a prequel or pick up. I'm like okay and that's that's not what I got. I was more excited about the fact that they acknowledge Chow fucking annoying. It is for people to think that you can keep doing all these. You know side sexy smoldering looks with your hair flying in your face when you're supposed to be kicking somebody that you know so in. In addition to just having like the randomness of Harlequin they actually had the logic of what was going on like. You wouldn't tell your hair back before you try to shit someone's snatch you by your hair. It's over boy boy. I mean those are the little moments in things like these are some of the probably the best shot action sequences that DC has done on. You know and I mean harleys are obviously the best in here but there's some really good accuracy which here that you can see the not shot in the dark. You know. It's like they're really good. They're really good action. Sequences its journey. smoltz was in a bright daylight in an alley and I thought she did a damn good job which you can't you can't sleep on being black canary and not be able to throw a decent kick so they wanted you to see them. And I think that's between this film and a lot of other films were there supposedly Giving you actions. They want you to see the action scenes here. Because it's part of the comedy it's part of the character development. I like huntress spazzy on people in assassinating them for no reason because she has anger issues and social issues is part of the comedy. Nick you know. I'd never seen the more poorly socialized person so I agree with you. Mary being annoyed with everything around her literally. Everything thing goes into her character's ask kicking abilities. It's part of her skill set the matter she gets. The doper it is to watch her. roundhouse people in the face and into nuts like this movie absolutely does not care about men's Genitalia. Outside of it having a target on it and I appreciate it shit like that. I'll even come. It's realistic if you're GONNA a if you're going to level the playing field and a fight and say a dude's nuts are off adult out of off limits. That stupid would never happen in a real fight. I mean that's true. But there's also a scene where Rosie Perez is literally fisticuffs battling dudes like ten times our size in muscle in height and boating. Her own she uses strategy around her to beat the shit out of people. She does the same thing to Harley Quinn when they get into a scuffle she outsmarts her. You know it's to me. It's like showing if you have all these people that you see women in films and they tend to black widow shit they jump up on your shoulders and they use it as is in with you around and that's cool and everything but it was nice to actually see people do stuff that doesn't require you to be able to jump on. Somebody's shoulders I to get it accomplished and this continues to do that while showing that they're also trained in some type asking ability Harley. Quinn may be unreliable. Bull and a fucking nutcase but when she has to fight twenty dude or walk into a police station. A it's they're they're they're not scared of her. And like this separating her from joker in this and establishing her as her own character was done very well here here again they could have cut somebody exposition but I get why they did it and I think there are people who are going to appreciate that part of the film a lot more than I did so I don't necessarily think it needs to ago for me. I would have like more action scenes. 'cause I'm greedy. There are a lot of action scenes but of course the biggest payoff is the third act. It happens about thirty five minutes approaching the end of the film. So hey it is what it is. I'm not sure exactly though where they can go with this and I'm not really worried. Read about either. Because my investment for DC films at this point and one brother lab action hero films is give me through that film. Oh yeah there's one at a time. I'm yeah I'm one by one. I'm not even worried about the future. Two cups the DC. Yeah one by one thousand one. They still do a lot of the Harrow Khanna Shit with so a lot that she happens in this field jumping up swing do like I want to happen. One time in real life because yet it just doesn't do it in Harley Quinn for a slow motion effect but there are way more round no no no I agree I agree. It's not completely overdone. I think we're we're I think the other characters like Gregorian. This was great him. And who do that played Za`z. Yeah they're hilarious like east from Leeann Julia. That's why I recognized from I was like I don't know who that guy is. Take the husband from Julia Julia. Yeah they're great. They're great Alaria I love seeing those together. Chris Messina's hilarious and I and I didn't know I needed him dissipated sociopath who's he's got like interdependent issues but apparently I did. Yeah I like who like all the women they cast for for the the the other cares for hunters canary an Montoya. I think they're fine. I just think that is very obviously. We'll talk more about this on. This weather is very obvious. They got they were they on Samba. Film they're there to be introduced. But like there's like like for instance hunters costume at one point. I'm like it will look. She's got trash bag and she's got she's got like it didn't look real real costume that she has or anything like that and he's very clear that they were kind of an afterthought but you Kinda knew you could see that on the poster like you can tone the poster and so it didn't bother me as much again. My my bigger problem. Is You know what they did with. CASSANDRA CAIN in this film like that. It's just disrespectful as fuck I don't understand it. I've decided that somehow or another. This is some type of all university. I no longer have to deal with what they did with. Cassandra that deeply confused me. No I know we're GONNA talk about it more on the spoiler review but they kind of built the core reason why the birds of prey and Harley came together around the character played by eligible BASCO. So when I I it took them saying the name like three times before I really really process that that's who that was and I was like. Wow you'd have to do it that way right. It could've been could've been some random little girl that watch harley in a roller her roller derby ring or something like that. It was only vet right. They didn't have to make a cast. I mean it is what it is that yeah I mean. It's just one of those not talked about this. This one was good. I don't want anybody to take years being a hater when I say this we create these things on a DC curve. I do and I'm saying that if somebody who thinks this is there's a d. c.. Second best film things like that would probably bother me at this point when we're we're this far into a studio making these kind of films and we're this far removed from you know the MC you starting off things like that cash would probably bother me but when look at the bigger picture of what they did with this film and how low expectations were forward. I'm like I'm I'm okay with the same thing with says my thoughts. That's when I went up my thoughts on on facebook. This is a this is going to be a thing that could go really bad for them or it could work out. And it's the fact that I still don't don't know what they're doing with the DC EU. Because neither is a very very Chris. That's where I am right. Introducing Cassandra Cain rain. This way tells me they still have no idea without doing but that's not that's not what I'm talking about this this this film I mean. They clearly elite they use shots from suicide squad. Suicide Squad. David Air Suicide Squad clearly happens in this universe right. It clearly happened. This is like a birger. Pray Foam Harley Quinn. And they're just kind of restarting. The you know what happened in in there clearly happened. You Know Ger- joker is clearly. The joker that Um Harley is talking about they show seen straight from suicide squad she. She mentioned she mentioned that one point you know having a bomb around her neck so she mentioned suicide squad so we never happens there. is you see an image of a character from suicide. I squad but that also could be like. I don't know what they're doing here. And how that means you know what that means for the continuity right we have this entire this entire setting being the entire setting for this. This movie is Gotham in the background. I'm going like where the fuck is Batman. Not that I wanted to see him in there air but it is a lot of mayhem. That's happening in Gotham. And I'm like so. Nobody from the family shows up. Mike I just is one of the things. I'm not being able to explain. It was a throwaway Longley Batman appeared. Then you're like okay. Cool makes sense. Why all all of this is back in Gotham? It's like what are you doing to build your universe and if you're telling me that these are just one off films that's fine but then when you do things that purposely pull in other film home that you say you're moving away from or characters that we're going to see feature and future films like I don't know where I stand at in this I mention because this is this is a problem with the Fox x-men universe before they really got super bad. It's like what are you doing first class. But then you did data feature pass where you bring bring in those early x-men films. What direction are you going in? And if you ever have an answer for that it can go south real fast so you have happening. What they're doing? It feels to me like what they're doing without actually making an attempt to do it right. This isn't so before we get to the marvel cinematic Mattie universe the way they used to do superhero films was whichever studio had those films released films under those characters. It didn't matter that they were all marvel characters the fact that some of them will come from universal reversal or Fox. or Sony made those films completely. Different and edit no type of connection link between them we're experiencing that right now with DC. The only thing is they're all in the warner brothers. So it's just weird but you have the joker film which is Warner Brothers. You wonder woman which is a new suicide squad. Holly which is also underwater. The water brothers you have. She's aim which is under warner brothers. They could all be under different studios and I think that would make this make more sense to us. I but the fact that it's under Warner Brothers. We're all looking for what the connection is supposed to be and say no Chris. I know you understand the same thing and like I said like acid to you. They don't they there's no plan there is no way to connected shit. They're GONNA do this sort of film basis and if if Shit works for them they'll keep it and if it doesn't work they won't and this character is they don't feel they're going to feel the need to develop because they don't care about their growth or really bringing them into the universe or any type of sequels then they're gonNa let them fall to the wayside or they'll just use them here like about name. That's just how it's going to be and you know if you can accept that like we we have all here. Then you know we'll be fine with these films but yeah we're great we are. We're we're judging these films on a curb talking about the one occur with grading them on car because at this point one brothers doesn't care about that type of continuity they do not give a fuck about it they care about dollars this ought they care about is getting a bag and I can't blame him for it and I entered this on facebook. Living The hell's meals like what they did with you know Chrysler Donovan. Earth's on on TV. Were they've kind of sort of it. Sabotaged the the multi-diverse in that all these things are kind of existing little world so you can kinda maybe explain away. So it's like they're giving you giving the audiences enough to kind of come to their own conclusion which is fine. I honestly it's not too far off. Often what D C is always done in their comics anyway. They're continuity is a complete mess. We used to say that about the x men continuity things like that. You can draw a line through marvel stuff. You can't Dan you cannot do that with D. stuff there is no line. I guess it's all complete mess. And it's all complete jumbled and they do this all the time so it's Kinda like what they do in the comics so I don't know said it works for this. Same they do the same thing with Suzanne. When at one point point superman shows up but they don't show you if Henry Cavill or not does some some dude in that that Manziel suit so like what are you doing there? Like you can't think about it too much right but that's dangerous because that's what we did with the Fox film. That's what people were doing with the transformers films like it's fine when it works but when it doesn't it can blow everything doesn't right but I I mean I mean I think part of the issue issue for me is Kinda. I'm I got really excited. And the first thing that we all said how come. They didn't immediately go back when they started to get the positive information formation and get those contracts knocked down and get those people back on an start working because they've got time crunch they've got eight issues they've got you know makeup issues and I think that's a bigger part of the problem that they usually have when it comes to wonder owner in DC. It's I feel like I was like do you not dear an entertainment lawyers and contract lawyers do that talk to each other because some of these problems come with the fact they want to do these things and they liked these characters nate. They hedge their bets but they don't necessarily lock people down to being dedicated to these roles and that's one of the things that marble when they took a risk and they're like okay. Chris Evans is captain. America didn't pull them in for one and done. They put him under contract contract as Captain America for certain number of movies over a certain span of time. Same with Robert Downey junior as soon as they got the early press on iron man they went right right back into negotiations to lock him in as Tony Stark. Say and the only cared. They didn't do that with is the hulk. And we all saw what happened with that character but DC and Warner. Something is weird about their relationship and they kind of just let it play out on the screen and I think it has to do with licensing it has to do with contracting attracting but it also has to do with them. Not necessarily making sure. They've cleared an actor who it turns out is a really good fit for role to be available. And they're like okay. Okay well we can work around this and we can do that. The one throwaway line in here is about the HYENA. And you know what she says how he got his name and I was like. That's all you're going to give Elissalde. Isn't the trailer I mean. They should go Wayne gyco right. So it's like so bruin exists we know mammen exists because you guys said that you know you know suicide squad happened. Then we know Batman was in suicide squad for a little bit. You know so like what's going on like what into this in the new Patterson Reeves Batman. Film like you you again. That had CASSANDRA. CAIN CAIN being introduced this way it's offensive it is like it's it's it's inappropriate but it also it it you know. They cut themselves off at the knees. And it's still a clear that's the clearest indication that I have that no one is standing back and thinking long term with respect to their relationship to DC DC's relationship with Warner and that's how you end up getting you know it's just careless and it was just stupid and they I mean I and I say this out someone who also had fun. I thought I thought birth spray and the fantabulous nece was just the right touch of ridiculous I like the moments because everything you get with. Harley that's poignant also comes with a side of crazy so you know. The flashback back from the trailer for diamonds is a girl's best friend. I thought it was perfect when they used it. And you actually see shows up at the movie The moment where you see the moment in the trailer where she saying you know what Harley sequin is I thought it was perfect but you know those were the parts of exposition that ordinarily were they drag themselves down into the heavy and then they don't know how to get out of the muck and mire so they had light light hand in a soft touch and they were really deft with certain things. I thought No It wasn't an ensemble movie. They used Harley to introduce what's hopefully for them gonna GonNa be you know a spin off franchise so to speak or you know a continuation here and I thought it was. I'm slightly hopeful. I'm hopeful you know better. You know better I know so I'm GonNa say all small girls after this money on it. They're I'm not GONNA do anything with him after this. Because this was always about Harley Quinn well that's that's how this happened right like they really wanted that. Gotham city sirens film which is now probably. We're going to happen and take precedent over this. There's two that bat that back girl from again the the writer the writer on this is Christina. I think her name was. She's high time yes. She signed up to do a backer. There is no actual burs Apprai- film and I heard what our caller Harley Margot Robie said about this. where she was like she could have done the Gotham the siren for from our own solar films? She wanted to introduce these other other women into the screen. And I appreciate that but this is where this is where. I don't think that this where the one problem I have with how they did it in this film is again. It's not enough that dragged down. I don't want anybody comes like you're being a hater. It's like they clearly clearly were also rans is everything and there's a couple of times in here you even see. They gave them almost. Hey amy down costumes. Like it's the way they treated these other cases these other women in these films were Kinda like we got him so we'll use them but we know we're really here for and so I'll be honest. It didn't feel like they. You wanted to put an effort into like making an actual birger pray film. And I'm GonNa live by the time I got to the end. I don't know if I really want to see it. I'm I'm not sure if that film survived without putting Harley Quinn in it right and that's and that's problem these character. What they we did the right knew what they were if they planned anything? The ending of this was totally planned right because they lawn Ford what their agenda was actually actually was. It's the same thing it wasn't a very beginning. And that's and that's my and that's my problem with this like it's always been my problem with the name of the film it's like you're not making a bird vertebrae film you're making our Harlequin film and again is very good Harley Quinn film I enjoy for what it is right but like when you're trying into I think that with the women that they cast you could make an actual good birger pray film you if you have. WBZ committed to that. And did that. which honestly I think should be their way forward right quietly? We haven't talked about this their best to best films our Suzanne and now this birger pre film right Harley Quinn view. The CA- cares where you're using the marvel method. This is where you are now taking are not gonna use our big names. We're going to use these smaller name. Characters were and coming here and do this and then we'll come to feed in and do the bigger name ain't fright the bigger the biggest thing they're going to have and I think that this will I'm really interested in what they do. Wonder Woman Nineteen eighty-four because as Petty Djing has finally getting full control. She's producer writer and directing it and they they ran her coined. Her angle gave them both the money. They're giving the budget for it. I Really WanNa see he what they end up pulling off with that and I'm like can you guys finally start you know letting your directors direct make make these films and not on some Todd Phillips. I'm going to make some of this not really a comic film but I'm GonNa call it a comic film and I WanNa make. It seem like I'm better than everybody else. No no letting the people that actually care about the characters who was a director director of schism. Oh God why am I drawing a blank right now. Steve is hamper Suzanne. I can't remember but he really cared about those he cared about. Those characters is clear that caffeine and all those who Margot Robie was a producer on this film. They really cared about these found care about these characters when you put a director who actually cares about the characters characters in charge of the film. Miraculously they actually a different day cared about what David Sandberg. And I think that that's still a difference when dealing with female characters. I hate to say it. No No. You're right but the more women when you have in the pipeline. The the you start to see a certain ideal you know mindset when it comes to how the movie gets edited. What the marketing cuts cuts? Are you know what kind of push back. Did they give interviews. Who you see in the interviews? It was like they did a whole lot of talking. They did a lot of behind the scenes footage. On this I think part of it was to combat. What one of the posts A? CRM put up with that idiot. Saying this movie's GonNa Flop just like this other movie flopped. Because they I forgot that their market is for sexy and they're not catering to their market and that's why it's GonNa flop because they're trying to do all this woman power stuff birds if you're going to this movie because you WanNa see hot chicks hot pants on you. Don't want to see them being smart asses and kicking people's ass. You're we're not really going to enjoy this movie because outside of Harley wearing regular clothes you're not getting a whole lot of skin but you're not on what you don't enjoy comic films enjoy Combo in the first place like I'm tired of the ads that you know being in the midst. That's who studios right that I mean it's like when they they go in and they have somebody doing their research pulling commentary and looking through all these different groups and forums. I don't I don't know why and I say that just because I I really feel like I would hope at this point that they are still. They're a minority voice loud. But I'm starting to think that they're not just loud. I think I'm starting to think that the people who are in the pipeline making these movies don't need to go look at any what they've considered the opera researched because this is what they think and this is the everybody in. This movie was a throw away for them. And the only reason why Margot Robie wasn't is because she's Margot Robie and because she reinvigorated an entire entire toy line just by saying Harley Quinn and her in the voice she created that worked so I I agree with you. They didn't have a plan I think they could do a solid bird supreme movie. I don't think they will. I wouldn't have a problem with seeing them show back up in another harlequin movie. I I think they did a disservice to both of these. Not just calling this a fan. Tabula semes- impatient of one Harlequin. Thank you Dan. It wouldn't have mattered whether or not they were going to give us a real true development rollout separate from the main storyline around Harley for the birds of prey. I treated this like I was watching the fantabulous emancipation of Harlequin and they just showed up because it made it feel like it worked right like by the time you got to the end and you got to. How she you know the show where she talked about them and branding? You're right if you WANNA really clearly a clear idea of what they are in even intentions going forward are. It's the last seen the very last scene in the movie that's cared about. That's what they cared about the lamb. I'm just like at this this point. I feel like we're iterating. We we have maybe like it. It is what it is bothering me I. I have not been paying attention to the box office predictions on this. And if the yeah I that's it's imperial that DC to best films are also going to end up well again. Maybe this one will have legs. I'm hoping it has legs. Because Suzanne I eventually it came in and Martin running into bigger films. I don't believe anything big coming out right now after this phone comes out and I hope it does do I hope it beats their predictions and and th because everything we're saying is right right like DC in the way they run things their corporation i. They're going to go with what sells and having Zam Zam. It took so long for the lockdown coming into Zam because it did okay but it's like boby right same thing with it won't be while not not migrate. Not I'm like I'm not a huge fan of it. I was like this is the right direction and you see what what happened with that. We're not we're going to. We're going to re we lost franchise and do another direction around that way. It's like no bill the success you've had critically and then you'll get to that point where you can then make billions of dollars of films. That's right Suzanne. You know made good money for ninety million dollar found. This was another nineteen ninety million dollar film. If it comes out it comes out. It comes out to getting four hundred million dollars in Iran I think Suzanne if it matches. AM This is this. But it's I feel like it should issued to a billion dollars for them but you know that's just me I mean if joker did a billion dollars should do too. I honestly I if we're going to be real looking. At what films have done billion dollars for them. And there's no reason in the world that is films should not do a billion dollars other than the actual people that they're making films for four are full of Shit and I would not. I would not be surprised at all. If the fans who claim they want things or act like things a particular ways actually actually Felicia and they don't go. See this film because of bullshit like I'm I'm not surprised at all if DC's audience is completely different for marbles in the way they show show their support for films because like the person Y'all were talking about earlier his name is Matthew. Kaddish is a dick hole and he says a lot a stupid fucking shit he wrote. A book is a book series. It's called the Earth Mandak series but him as a person him as a fucking dude bro as a podcast or now he he just says a lot of stupid shit and I think that that might be that might have more predominance in. DC's fan base. So hey man it is what it is but like. What are we writing this? Because there's a spoiler coming right we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA go punch this movie again. But what are we writing this film road you got it she disappear on. I'm here I'm here Ya Hello. This isn't for me. I like the Soundtrack Doc. I like I like the look in the seal and like the action. I like to ridiculousness. So it's a solid eight reasons to have a Hyena Bren. At about an eight eight and a half. Probably I'll do an half out of ten the soundtrack it was really good. Like you said rose really good. So yeah just eight and a half out of ten. We'll see Harley again argue eight and a half but I actually really did enjoy this. This film I think I I mean we mentioned like Hugh McGregor was great in this. I have my issues. They're all spoilers. We'll talk about it then at probably would have been an didn't for me if not for the same thing like just don't call cast. Don't do that sorry you know. Yeah that's just that's just kind of down district full but I mean this is kind of kind of film. If you'RE GONNA make films and I'm GonNa go and pay money for these are the kind of films all pay money for not gonNA pay money Brockman. I can pay money for joker a pay money for this. Are The quantum. Maybe we'll put a spoiler review for this out after the weekend. We you know it'll be attached as page if you're listening to this on the website Described reviews we have another move. You coming coming out. I think it's going to be the lodge. I think it's going to be on this as well. Also check it out for that and Brennan row decide they WANNA go watch sonic so there will be a review for coming out so I practice self care now and I am not going to do that shit so so stay tuned for that and yeah go. See the film if you're one of those people that oh DC DC this already DC films uh-huh of it. If you haven't bought a ticket to go see Harley Quinn anum you're part of the fucking problem this our folks. That's what we got. The Michigan subscribe moves us into next time. We're OUTTA here peace.

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S5: Love: FICTION: Harley Quinn, DCs First Lady of Crime

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S5: Love: FICTION: Harley Quinn, DCs First Lady of Crime

"If you enjoyed this episode on Dr Harlan Francis Quinn Zell also known as Harley Quinn. Be SURE TO CHECK OUT THE VILLAINS PODCAST. Every Friday we dissect the greatest foils from history and fiction uncovering origins analyzing impacts and exploring the complexity of character and motive. Follow villains free spotify. And any way you listen to podcasts. The prison is full of cruelty. Violence men pummeling each other to a pulp. The evil is palpable. Inmates and guards alike look like hardened criminals which makes the inhabitants of one giant free standing cage. Stand out all the more. It's a woman. She's hanging upside down hair stringy but still clearly blonde and as we pan out. We see that she's dancing on makeshift aerial silks strung up against bars of her cage for all the grind. She's beautiful strong graceful with perfect bone structure and little clothing to obscure her body. When the gods approach with this stomping footsteps and groupthink all we see is contrast. The girl is something. Wild fascinating sexy. Something these men want but can never have or understand the messages driven home when she makes contact with one of the guards and licks the bars of her cage he responds. Oh my God you are really in bad shape upstairs lady the Oh my God is dripping with desire. So is the regretful. Accusation of crazy but that one keeps him at a distance then when she asks him to come play with her like a sad sexualize child we learned the other reason. He keeps his distance. She put five of the Gods in the hospital last week. This is Harley Quinn. She sexy she's unstable and she's one of the most popular villains in the modern comic book world. Hey everyone alice stay here. I host several podcast shows that all dedicated to creating the most memorable storytelling in the podcast. Face ON VILLAINS WITH DIGGING INTO YOU GUESSED IT villains. Some of them are fictional. The others a real world criminals that inspired those creations but in every episode. What's consistent is that? We'RE TRYING TO DELVE. Into what makes these figures such compelling memorable antagonists which is past the halfway mark or ten episode season on crime bosses gangsters and kingpins the past couple of weeks we looked at gusts spring of breaking bad and biochemist. Ao Hanno Burritos and discussed the transition of the Classic Godfather Family Man Mafioso into a more calculated businessman. Today we're discussing a similar transition of the female mobster with Harley Quinn. She's best known for her role. As the submissive Gulf Robin Sidekick to the DC Universe's joker she appeared in everything from cartoons to comex to live action films since the Nineteen Nineties. And she has changed with the. Times getting more manic and more independent to and the joker. A one of the most recognizable superhero villain pairings. There is they've been around since one thousand nine hundred thirty nine and nineteen forty respectively and ever since they've been an integral part of the DC Universe Harley. Quinn is a much later edition to the mythos. She was created in Nineteen ninety-two by writer. Paul Dini and animator Bruce Timm for the show Batman the animated series at the time her prospects for becoming a central DC antagonised not great rather than being a villain in her own right. She was a convenient female sidekick for the joker. The quintessential mall or gangsters female companion. She was there as backup. But like every good malt. Holly can be anything you want her to be. Which has allowed her to move and change across time and medium hints of this potential. Were evident from her very first. Nineteen Nine Hundred Ninety two appearance in episode twenty of Batman the animated series. We're in a small office. Our attention focused on the joker. Whose drooling voice is Scheming. Up Some new plan or other then the camera pans out. And we see her Harley Quinn sitting on the jokers desk painting her nails. She's dressed in a black and red just a costume. The first words out of her mouth or speculation about the reason joker wants to commit his next crime. It IS TO LAUGH MR J. This comes out in a Twangy Deep New England accent a far cry from the jokers own educated transatlantic tones. She's asking for his his approval. Her next few lines enthusiastic affirmations of the jokers genius punctuated by whistling clapping. This is the original Harley. Quinn the site chick. The Mall Mall the Seagull Villain. But there's something about just how cheerfully. She performs her role that suggests she might be in on the joke. Her name suggests as much to Harley. Quinn is a play on Halloween. The Classic Servant figure in Italian Committee delayed and Harlequin though and apparently astute seven and is not exactly as he seems. He often thwarts the plans of his master and pursues his own goals. This hint that the joke Harley Quinn is more than she seems is thus tantalizing not surprisingly. She soon becomes a zealous villain in her own. Right in one Batman the animated series episode when Batman Stops Harley and the joker from drilling out a helpless teeth she proudly proclaims that the teeth were her idea. She commits crimes and fights male superheroes by the jokers side. Sometimes she finds female superheroes on her own or with other female villains but this was after all a cartoon character and generally the crimes she committed with. The joker weren't allowed to get too out of hand. Nope before Batman stepped in to Stop Them. Her character did tend to be darker and more violent in the ninety s DC comics as opposed to the cartoons likely because the comics were less exclusively aimed at children. The VILLAINS WERE ALLOWED TO BE MORE VIOLENT. That violence though wasn't always aimed at the good guys often. It was aimed at Harley Quinn. Throughout many of harleys earliest appearances in the DC universe on both cartoon programs aimed at children and in the more mature comics she wasn't just the jokers adoring criminal sidekick. She was also his abused girlfriend. Her origin story one of the Comic World Classic Tools for Character Development was first written in the one thousand nine hundred ninety four graphic novel the Batman Adventures Mad love it was then adapted into an episode of the animated. Tv show the new Batman Adventures? It fleshed out the couple's relationship. They need at Arkham asylum where the joke is being held prisoner for his multitude of unhinged crimes in Gotham City Harley Quinn at this point living under her given name Carleen Quincy. Al Is an ambitious young doctor working with the asylum psychiatric staff unfortunately for her. She fixes her ambitions on the joker she is determined to interview him and then writes tallow book about the villain to advance her career but he has a different agenda. I he convinces Harley that he is a troubled soul. Who can be rehabilitated? Through loving care then he slowly seduces her and uses Empathy for him to turn perception of good and bad upside down. It is Batman who is the true menace. The joker insists eventually mad love details. The joker escapes Arkham and Batman returns. Him visibly injured to the asylum. Hollein's increasing conviction that it is Batman who is evil has concrete confirmation now and she turns to the dark side. I she raids costume store for her infamous Harley Quinn out fit then. She breaks joker out of the asylum and finely. They go on a crime spree honeymoon launching their criminal life together but it is an all giggles and fund for Harley once. She puts on her just a hat. We actually learned this backstory as she sits reminiscing about her past. She's trying to remember better times because right now. Her relationship with the joker doesn't look so good already during the storyline the joker has aggressively yelled at her pointing out has stupidity. He has violently dragged by just a hat and he has point blank smacked her out of his hideout. By the end of the episode he will have thrown out a window to this combination of verbal and physical abuse all used to control and demean. Holly is a classic example of domestic violence and we don't only see it in mad. Love this kind of abuse was par for the course in the nineteen nineties comics and cartoons featuring Harley in fact the concept of the abused girlfriend was part of the original inspiration for the character creator. Tim explained Holly. Quin is an instance of art imitating life. A mutual friend of mine and my co-creator Dinis was stuck in a stormy but nonviolence relationship with a guy who's personal obsessions precluded him from returning her. Unconditional love of course in harleys case. The relationship is evidently violent as well. As quote stormy these nine thousand nine hundred ninety s portrayals often showed the jokers abuse of Harley as humorous all parts of the rough and tumble world of the Gotham city villains. The joker is evil and cruel after all of course he's a terrible boyfriend but this aspect of harleys character means that abuse underlies every crime that she enthusiastically commits with all four. The Joker her motivations are complex. And all a part of the blinding so-called mad love. She has for the joker. There's an element of this that Harley's creators hoped would make her a universally relatable character as Dini put it. It's happened to me. It's probably happened to you and if it hasn't happened yet. Rest assured that it will mad. Love is when you feel so passionately for a person particularly the wrong person that nothing else in the world matters through. Harleys tragicomic experiences. We catch a glimpse of ourselves in a fun. House Mirror distorted and all too willing to play the fool for someone. We'd be much better off without but however universal the experience of Dini's mad love might be the abuse. Holly endures is quite distinctly gendered as in its meaning is colored by the fact that it is an issue that overwhelmingly affects women and in the history of the villains and the criminal world both real and fictional her role has the sidelined lover meet sidekick to a more central powerful male villain is also distinctly gendered. She's a girl villain right and abuse as a punchline is not particularly innovative or empowering that many Harley Quinn fans have found both catharsis and empowerment in Harley nevertheless in part that's because Harley Quinn is clever in fact. She often seems cleverer than the joke himself and her fans see that and appreciate it. It's a reminder that contrary to victim blaming narratives just because someone is in an abusive relationship doesn't mean they are inherently flawed. They are simply going through a difficult experience for instance. Holly demonstrates have intelligence when she not. The joker gets close to killing Batman in the mad love episode of the New Batman Adventures. She has him strung up in rope. Ready to drop into a tank full of piranhas. There is only one reason. She doesn't finish off the job. She is worried. The joker will resent that. She killed his nemesis whereas he always failed. And she's absolutely right even while experiencing abuse. Holly is clearly her own intelligent worthy villain and audiences have to pause and wonder without that abuse without her tether to the jokers absurdity schemes and violence. Huma what would she do? Who would she be is the joker the only thing holding her back? Which leads us to another reason. Many fans have found Harley Quinn so inspiring as the nineteen nineties turned into the two thousands. Some creators started answering those questions. Nineteen Ninety s third wave. Feminism was seeping out of theory and into mainstream culture and DC was no exception. It was ready to let Harley fights her way out of abuse and into her own role as a solo villain however difficult and cyclical. That fight might be coming up Harley Quinn transforms in the new millennium now. Back to the story in the one thousand nine hundred ninety s holly Quin emerged as an enigmatic side kick to Batman's nemesis the joker but as hilarious intelligence and villainous issue was. Her character was largely by an abusive relationship. Which left several questions about this? Just a villain unanswered. If the joke was out of the picture who would she be a peculiar feature of the Comic Book World? Allowed for this question to be answered in several ways. Harley Quinn is a DC universe character and the DC. Universe is extremely broad similar to its major comic rival. Marvel DC is a contents. Machine churning out graphic novels animated series live Action Movies Video Games and more. It includes scores of characters. Who for the most part operates in different storylines for example superman stories full of supernatural elements like Kryptonite and Aliens Batman? Meanwhile is human and fights the bad guys with high tech gifts strength and his mega IQ belly any magic to be seen but Comic Universe is famous for crossovers in the DC universe. You might have heard of the Justice League all remember Superman and super go flying into a Batman cartoon episode crossovers. Thanks to the differing. Worlds of the many DC CHARACTERS. Don't always make complete logical sense. The Dog Gritty Weld of Batman for example is quite different from Superman's all American one but crossovers allow for characters from these different worlds to me and beyond the borders of their original storylines and try out new tones as well as new narratives. That's what happened to Harley Quinn beginning. In the early two thousands she started appearing in DC storylines that did not belong to Batman and the joker from two thousand one to two thousand and three she went solo in her own comic series Harlequin and in two thousand nine. She became one of three female leads featured in the series. Gotham city sirens these series no longer distinctly part of the dog world of Batman and the joker provided the perfect job for a new Harley. One Who was free of the cyclical violence that colored her first decade. The break wasn't clean as with most breakup in Gotham city sirens Harley decides to kill the joker and get her revenge for years of abuse but she can't go through with it instead. She ends up breaking him out of Arkham asylum and getting back together with him for a while but mostly the series features have relationships with women even in the Nineteen Ninety S. Holly had relationships with other female villains fellow Batman villainess poison ivy is her longstanding. Bff But in the two thousands with the joker mostly out of the picture. These relationships take center stage an exciting new development that gives her mutual support whereas once she faced only abuse she even starts to build relationships with the good guys or rather girls in Gotham city. Sirens she and poison ivy join forces with cat-woman a mostly heroic Gotham crimefighter. This is in keeping with the largest shift in his story as she steps into her own shoes and moves. Further and further from the joker. She starts to toe the line between villain and hero in Harley Quinn volume one she starts a gang and POWs around with poison ivy but at the end of the series she turns herself in to Arkham asylum reluctantly accepting the fact that a life of crime is not healthy. Being good isn't easy through Gotham city. Sirens both poison ivy and Harley struggle with their new cat-woman alliance and sometimes betray it turning back to their villainous ways. Villainy is natural for Harley and attractive which is likely why she ended up in yet another series suicide squad about a group of villains coerced into working for the government. But all these two thousand series contextualized harleys attraction to villainous behavior with psychology. And they make it a difficult attraction for no one more than Harley herself. A two thousand thirteen volume of the Harley Quinn series. Takes this idea one. Step further making Harley Quinn into a full on anti hero and completely eliminating Batman and the joker from her story line here. She has returned to her work in psychology and move to coney island where she is a landlady and plays in a local roller Derby leak. She also starts on again off again relationship with her longtime best friend. Poison Ivy likely inspired by the increasing normalization of LGBTQ relationships and US society and media but whatever the broader cultural factors that played into the change for many holly fans it boiled down to get another major and empowering step for the girl scouts of abuse and into her own identity Harley. Quinn has definitely changed with the Times. But as we mentioned when DC characters start crisscrossing between storylines sometimes their characters develop in inconsistent ways. And that's been case for Harley Quinn Weiland twenty ten series Harley Quinn. She's moved on from both her experiences of abuse and her villainy she's so lucky and some other parts of the DC universe namely the two thousand Sixteen Live Action Film Suicide Squad in which she portrayed by actress Margot Robie. Although Robbie's performance garnered approval from critics and Harley fans alike the film as a whole was largely panned perhaps in part because it presents. A bit of backtrack for Harley rather than the liberated anti hero if DC's contemporary comex the film introduces Holly in the scene described at the start of this episode. She's a federal prisoner and she still in love with the joker throughout the we do see her building relationships with other villains exhibiting strength and bravery and ultimately towing that anti hero line. She has landed on her comics. She also seems intent on remembering where she comes from and insist to a fellow villain that he should own his past but these flashes of real character a contextualised by the overall narrative inconsistency of the film and unfortunate tendency to rely on two dimensional lazy characterization in Harleys case that characterization leans on a dark version of the manic pixie dream. Girl stereotype the excitement of her character stems from her kookiness and unpredictability. Which is all about an exterior gays about the pleasure of the viewer rather than the character herself and all had drives and desires seem to revolve around her man. This characterization culminates in a confusing scene. Near the end of the film the primary antagonists the entrance fills harleys mind with images of what she could be if she gives permission for the government. This is presumably. Harleys alternate desire the ultimate temptation in the sun-filled suburban kitchen. It's the morning holly's had is full of colors. Her skin is glowing with health and has smile is gentle and happy in her arms is a baby and by signed is her man the joker but he too looks different. He's clean cut in a suit. His dark hair is slicked back neatly. And he's bending down to gently kiss another child. This is it the dream everything holly wants. That is to say a happy quiet life with her man. Then something just as strange as the vision happens. Holly rejects the insurances temptation. Apparently this is because as far as she knows. The joker is dead. The enchant truce is evil. And she is brave and strong enough to stand up for humanity and her villain compatriots in the face of true evil. She sees through the fantasy this some of the classic Harley Quinn Intelligence here as well as strengthen independence that she has gained in the DC comics but considering the way the movie has portrayed her otherwise it feels a bit like a pandering Gulf power moment rather than a real commitment to a truly emancipated Harley. Still Holly Story is far from done. It's a rations. Just keep coming and a new two thousand nine thousand nine TV show and twenty. Two thousand film. Appearance are changing things for the character yet again coming up another. Holly Quin this time for the girls now back to the story in the two thousands the abused Harlequin of the nineteen ninety s Batman. Storylines had several pitchy unity's to develop and change in the DC comics. She became an increasingly strong and independent figure by calling it quits but the joker she was able to find her off as an anti hero rather than a villain in the DC live action films character was more regressive while it didn't take her back to her mold as it left her freedom and independence mired in Dark Manic Pixie. Dream Girl stereotype. One that seems predicated on male fantasies but the suicide squad character has been extremely popular and not just with the boys that's impart because of Margot Robie talent at playing the role with Chom poignant's and possess she leaned into the camp of it all and gave what many critics have called the most impressive performance of the film leaving room for yet another Harlequin on February seventh twenty twenty a new Harlequin film opened in theaters. Birds OF PREY. And the fantabulous emancipation of one Harley Quinn first of all it's notable that the film is produced by Mago Robbie herself and that she has been actively working on the film through most of its development. It's also written and directed by women unlike suicide squad and it features a Moseley female cost. That doesn't mean the film won't fall into some of the traps of suicide squad. And other DC films that have been panned by critics but longtime Harley fans will likely be happy to see that the film is at least emancipating her from the joker and getting her a bit more up to speed with the comic for Carly. But the emancipation of the birds of Prey Harley Quinn may be about more than just losing her man and going Solo. Holly has self Nerissa life in this film as in. She's actually doing voiceover narration. That means more agency over her story and potentially more liberated holly we also see holly working with other so called. Dame's in Gotham city and building. Apparently supportive genuine relationships with them. She tells another character. You are so cool. And there's no irony there. She Serious on top of that. Holly is less sexualize wearing shorts instead of underwear throughout most of the film and a loose atop a small change that signals a deeper shift in the cameras gays when it staring down Holly. We're here for Robbie's acting not her body as a ways in the comic world each new piece of the character puzzle integrates with the pre existing ones and then takes his own liberties. But even if the film doesn't bring us home with an amazing live action Harley. We have another. Yes another Harley to rely on for the independent onscreen villain it's teasing the holly of DC's new online animated series Harley Quinn the series which debuted in November. Two Thousand. Nineteen is ongoing. And it's telling a holly story four. Its Own. There are plenty of recognizable elements from more recent holly comics. The pilot shows her struggling to break up with the joker and then ultimately making it out with the health own internal psychologist voice and her best friend poison ivy like the comex the show also heavily features that friendship using it for both lights comic moments and a sincere celebration of supportive female relationships. But I'm like many of the recent Holly Comex. This Harley is definitely still a villain with ambitions to join the Legion of doom and to ultimately build her own gang of Villains. Her gang is composed of outcasts. And it's the result of the fact that Harley status as a villain's ex girlfriend and a woman make more established bad guys treat her dismissively so there is some acknowledgement of the difficulties faced by women in the professional world. Even the criminal one but spoiler holly does eventually make it into the Legion of doom. She overcomes the hardships. She faces and comes out on top. The show is ongoing. So like with the twenty twenty movie. It's impossible to say exactly where it will take Harley Quinn next. If thirty years with this character taught us anything. It's that she's always able to change. But it seems audiences may be coming round to a more consistent version of Harley Quinn one in keeping with her era one. Who's a touch more feminist than either the original gangster mall holly or the suicide squads gun toting manic pixie dream girl one who's a true standalone villain or sometimes anti hero? Harlequin isn't alone in her anti hero status as a villain the anti hero has become an increasingly popular figure in contemporary media. The complicated motives and sometimes conflicting actions of these characters are more reflective of psychological realities than black and white morality. As we see with Harley they delve into the reasons we're good or bad or both rather than presenting them as absolutes modernity presents us with Maria daily opportunities and thus myriad opportunities to go wrong. Andy Heroes reflect that and reflect it with compassion Harley Quinn since two thousand 's comic book evolution has been showing up for that job. She's been teaching us. How abuse can take you down. All kinds of doc potts and how you come out more or less on top despite it all. Even if she's often criminal she's an extraordinarily human criminal and we love for it. We Love Her enough that DC has taken note. Jim Lee one of DC's co-publishers once said I refer to her as the fourth pillar in our publishing line. Behind Superman Batman and wonderwoman Kevin Canary Vice President of DC collectibles has commented she's always a top seller and can go toe to toe with Batman and the joker as one of the most fan requested and sought after characters. It's pretty incredible that a thirty year old comic character has become as popular as an eight year. Old One. She's a unique the matic package and one that resonates justice strongly as ideas that have been around for decades longer. Thanks to that. She's here to stay. So here's two more ask kicking boyfriend killing Kuki Adventures with the clown queen of Gotham city. Real world female gangsters however haven't generally had the privilege of that kind of avert liberation. They have been forced to work undercover of their femininity and hide that power but sometimes that secretive strength has made them all the more central to mafia operations. That was the case for Virginia Hill. Next week's villain was widely known as the queen of the mob and sometimes as the intellectual director of Chicago Narcotics Trafficking. Thanks for listening to villains. We'll be back next week with a high episode on Virginia Hill. You can find all episodes of villains and all other parkhouse originals for free on spotify not only spotify already. 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Harley Quinn Episode 2, Black Cat #7

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Harley Quinn Episode 2, Black Cat #7

"This episode of Capes and lunatics is brought to you by tweaked audience awesome headphones good at tweaked audio dot com and use the coupon code. Southgate get thirty percent off free shipping and a lifetime lifetime warranty where he can get there through the link on our website Southgate Media Group DOT com. This is comic illustrator Ron Friends. You're listening to the Cape and lunatic. PODCAST ask can you're listening lunatics podcast in heroism and madness here the line sage to nothing at all this is a world of Capes in lunatics and nothing is off limits all right. It's another Friday night. You know it's GonNa get crazy got got a full house where we will one sloth shuts down her pornography so harass Internet works are great funding Games. Let's get to it. Friday night whacking capes and lunatics episode. One hundred thirty four or can you believe it starts right now to the Cape absolutely I am still and of course it's Capes and lunatic. So who else is here. But the inevitable the indomitable Mr her New Jersey himself look at the at and as I said we'll hellfire it is on the way but we've got superman himself in his son and despite a nice and they're going to supergirl Yup supergirl. Sandra and this is like Hollywood squares in the upper right corner. We have Patrick family from Ohio. You're in itself. Yes Tyler I liked that that you know you said your son in your intro. Yes fire that in the anything inspire you with yes. Maybe maybe the crypt on report podcast. I have multiple tracks in takes different things. My children are said to just you know differently at different times. Hey Tyler because the taxi she so yeah. That's that's right people that's right eight. People were shameless will use our children to try to donald exactly. We haven't seen all right so I was just doing a big interview with once again with Mr Ron Friends. So hey what's new in the news. He's got such great baritone man. I loved his voice to Ron France. Yeah yeah worth of work and like him on this podcast on a regular basis. I let anyway. What's aren't you in charge this show I gave you? What's on my show? You GotTa pick up no high now but a crisis on infinite earths just days away. We're going right racers. And they're gonNA kill him I remain. I have specific pajamas for every night of crisis family. Nice I can't wait to all you'll have to put up a picture of your bat. Woman Pajamas Tyler. We have our bat. Pajamas are Super Pajamas. Are Mixed character jobs and I think I told you told you you this already tyler but let me let me vent Charlie my anger about Sunday night part one. Because I won't be able to watch part one at eight o'clock when everyone else watches visit. I'll have to wait for when it records at eleven o'clock I'll probably watch it the next day because the local the local. CBS Station is going to have the football game but then afterwards the CW is going to have post game football talk so they're poaching part one back to eleven o'clock I'm like really I'm like if it was a regular episode of super which had done before I could see pushing it back but part one of the crossover I I think. That's I think that's when that station gets the most either the most ratings or one of their highest rated weekend Mapinduzi w the next day. So I mean it's GonNa recorded according eleven o'clock Sunday night anyway so either wet if I had a Hulu Account. I don't live tyler. I don't expect maybe but that's going to unify sign up for Hulu. I don't know if they give you the local. Cw Channel so then. I'd still be some that football with a lot of the stuff like that. Streaming live is local stuff. They don't do that is even then like it's still might be whatever's broadcast of that same time but I mean I actually I actually worked in an e Mail on Sunday and send it to them. I'm like really like real. The Games don't even on that channel it it's going to be on the it's going to be on. CBS The Post Game Podcast GonNa be on the CW really McCormick preempt sixty minutes. I'm just telling you I could set up my phone in front of the TV right. What is this the steeler Game Pittsburgh steelers important game or is it just like no? It's playoffs yet. No it's just it's just one of those things ends you run into being that yes. It's a big football town. Yes a little they have this. I'm like no I mean they. I mean me they did that. I was super bowl at least one other week. I'm like that's fine. But I'm like the crossover. That's where I think. According to Lois they do that bumps the ratings up for all those shows used for their yearly average that crossover does the best that all you know for Arrow burst the rest of the year. Yes it does well. I'll just have to set my phone up and then I can. Just you know like video chat with you. I know but I'm spoiled. I want I want that each quality spoil foil. I'll wait out. You know what at nine o'clock. I'll watch watchmen Anna Watch supergirl the next day before part to he's a he's on his way out of turn my phone off and make sure that I don't have any contact with the outside world until I watched the episode but I just put I just I love that like what was it like it there to go there like old final trailer for crisis then today is the day dropped and extended final trailer for crisis. Yeah breath I really like the crisis like it's one of those things they don't need I'm already pumped like I kind of don't WanNa Watch the trailers and and staff and I don't want to see more 'cause I just I don't I just don't want to know what's in it. I wanted to be more surprised hype I mean. I think it's more shown all the characters turns out to be in it because Oh did you see people all. Think as I'm watching the case we haven't seen this scene yet we haven't seen yet. This is coming up. That means that this can't happen or this can't happen whatever. So what did you see in the trailer. Today who they who they revealed going to be in it. I don't know how long it's going to be in it but you know homeless. This guy the end is nigh kissing carried roar roar shack sow. We'll we will we. I mean I'm I'm hoping they said there's a lot of surprises that we don't know and I'm like okay cool it. I'm hoping there's a lot of stuff like that. Did you see the news about who they reached out to to be in crisis on earth. Who all you didn't see the article unless I did who to reach out to then reached out the net cage? No and I'm like you know what what another superman. My thing is remake cage. I would do that for free. Yeah but that's the thing he's movie star. I don't know if they got the money. He's he usually command for free so you might well. No you can't do a pre union lot. You don't want to set a precedent over a lot of actors will do it for scale L.. Because they wanted especially it's just a cameo of it's not asking him you know they wanted to do cartoon Superman somebody stolen from his bananas. But I the superman fantasy is a chance to actually pulling the suit and play the character like he was gonNA. He was going to be ninety superman too. Oh he they. They had them. They would put him in that mullet. So I'm just saying like I would love if he would like yes I do. I mean it's not like he's like national treasure con Air Quality Nick Cage Anymore. He's more like Oh. I found this on red box. Nick Cage to steal the book destiny. Yeah I know mix linen. Pipe wasn't there he does he. Does he just not like you. Still actually the popular movie actor Jason Legit. What legit legit? I'm just saying like what you do shooter. Slight burst into a shooters. Man Who wants to be low fell fires like not in doing the shacklock lambing back trying to get on but yeah I can't I can't wait for crisis lilith right. Oh Hey hey there. She is fares are empty boy. What are you single man at Florida? Hello well we're talking about crisis on Senator Kerry on and I was expressing my anger and Outrage that I won't be able to watch part one on Sunday. CW needs to grow up in bureau station. That's all I know what I said. The actual steeler games on CBS CBS. But they're going to do You know after you know after talk on the CW like why the game even on that channel once you preempt sixty minutes Senate anger anger too. Old People don't really make people mad. Oh Hey did you letters I know hey hey I emailed my local. Cw thank you very much. I'm like really I'm like I'm like US really think you're gonNA get more ratings eatings with that. Then actually part one of the crossover really. That's right that's right. I said it. I've seen a stern email at that. As you know we're we're talking about the extended trailer went up today. You know we saw Wil Wheaton's going to have at least a cameo in it it Like an angry homeless guy. He's going up beside like I said like all rohrschack style. We know that means he's doing something bigger than that lead to help you know if if you remember. When they did the marvel crossover now? One of the access guys was a crazy homeless guy. Yeah Oh my Lord. Oh my Lord. I hope they use that have you had. I hope they do that and I hope they name his character Wesley Again Jesus own catalyse shut up Wesley now. He doesn't like when you do that. Oh and Lowest Tyler Tyler just laid on me you know who else the CW reached out to the being the crossover which you knew they were never going to get nick cage testing. They tried but you knew they weren't going to get him nick cage. Would've totally you do. It for a hamburger is all assigned to ask him seriously to do it. He just didn't want to win the money he bankrupt and he's got he's done a lot of bad and that's it's not not like it's it's an open secret you can look it up. He ate movies. These mates. They're the exception of Mandy Mandy was awesome Rolf. That's what alternatives. HR legit actor. He was the first actor. Let's let's be clear. He wears no trouserless treasure guests. But good actor the boat about after no. He just didn't want to wear the mullet. He's GonNa be Ninety Superman kasulu versus the cracking nice for the video oversee look tristen. Just he's more Trista just produce more content than Nicholas cage come on. I'm not gonNA argue that like I said I mostly love Nicholas Cage Sir Nicholas Cage Nicholas Cage had a great year between spreader verse in Teen. Titans go the movie. Let's twenty nineteen empty. SPIDERS was December. Twenty eight eighteen. Yeah I mean. They're both young like myself pay. Charlie's asked Charlie said he had a good year. He didn't say this year. I mean he had a good year with natural treasuring overall own young. The other one great year he he'd be that great movie a couple months ago. You know conair. He had a great year and came out. I'm I'm just going to pick destiny that I it was announced today. Peter Scars Gord has been cast Aston in an unknown role so far in the Batman yet another name added to the cast. So we've got what Batman cat-woman and our Gordon Gordon. We have a penguin or were they. Speculate Penguins do not a hundred percent we got we got uh-huh alcon read their fell dot com. Yeah Okay Alfred. I probably a lot of. That's a lot of millions to put and that's out again again. We might get ten minutes at the Iceberg Club. Who knows who knows? We'll get to build this Kenner. We do it long. Halloween or Arkham asylum. Oh I think they should do something else I mean yeah doing yet. Ten minutes near Club. A quick pin in Arkham asylum. That's great but nothing. You don't cast your name actor actor for that role. Yeah contact honey. Honey sweet vendor. uh-huh named Charlie Cantor Marvel thing it is what it is. They got him double now. They got hip double now. He's staying John Cable. I agree I agree with them. In their signed their contracts you have agreed in original avengers. It wasn't it was a different actors. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah this is a stunt man that they put exactly yeah. He wasn't contract to be in there. But if you the contract you know that Billy Dee Williams was contract to to face and Batman forever. They actually had eight him his salary. Even it was like in the movie to be able to get him but billy Williams was already playing harvey debt. Right you would already established in that universe right. And that's what I was saying. It's a black man to be face but you know. Hey Hey bill. Hey Bill will go any way. You want Role and was honestly a little mad that he didn't do it. But you know they pay checks what he's GonNa do doc clear no. I mean really who. Whose decision was it ability? Williams wouldn't have been a fantastic to better than the guy who wanted to playing him. In the move it was it was Schumann. I was GONNA say. Yeah because Burton left after the second one shoemaker Schumacher came in and he. He's admitted he wanted everyone gone. But they but Alfred Red and Gordon. That's all he wanted to keep. Why don't think he wanted to come back any snow right now but the idea is it will heal them in there? You establish the characters talk ground them. They're in there for a little bit but you build them into something bigger going forward so yeah. I mean the time commitment at this moment but they're so interested in look how long it's Black Adam to get off the ground like literally a decade. They haven't revealed who he is but supposedly he was shaving his this head that we riot. That's what I ate. Good crazy guy like Soga okay. He's a he's a Batman rogue he's going to be crazy. I mean it's not like he's playing paralyze people L. Climbing hectoring my Lord. I haven't seen green mentioning a very long on in all of it ever so You Know Catherine role. What is going to be? We'll see I mean is everyone seems your legs. Ask Him Gotha made him doesn't scare me. Oh serial killers. Don't hear me if they go full comic Amish. And every time he he he's knife and people to death and then he's making scar every time you kill somebody I mean they can make him scaring Ehrman at home and they can make but they more suspense fooling Gotham did. That's all I'm saying there. You go rob coughing. I guess I guess what I I would say is I ever does say oh. He's doing kill Mandi You know so it's like you know income longer. Did it better. So you know but okay Kill monger was was was he really strong force in the back end. I I agree but I'm just saying just all just saw him. She didn't hear where he said. Once I start talking about how uninteresting disaster looks for birds of prey. We've got our new carol. Nothing Out Tyler Alexander Beers at this point to put Out A female film. That's all that I'm saying. Mortified utterly mortified in twenty. Twenty to put out a movie like expanded the Black Mask. Everybody looks bad. They're Eros birds of prey. It's basically which is Harley Quinn and wallpaper at what is I'm I'm positive about in support things like the first DC project. What might I'm going to see it? Okay right everything about it is like Harley has no business being up front center I get you guys are like super infatuated with Margo Raby. I can't just done a harley that all all the third year old boys would align our were hardly about a note. We're we're or even better two Harley and IVY team up thing you get another hot chick poison ivy. Definitely thirteen-year-old poison. I mean Yeah Yeah. And then like or just made where they talked about at one point Johnson city siren versus instead of birds of freight. Yeah don't make Harley. I heard on birds of prey. You know this this. I mean the birds of prey. Just look they all horrible other only will why they're dumping it in February. Yes it's a horror movie is an actual movie movie or is that like deeming. What what Harley in the birds of prey knows could be coming to the theater wide release yet yeah like like an MCSE movie yeah? Yeah Yeah exactly Charlie. Though you see why we're like what that's coming. No these news naming Max okay. Okay we're GONNA hear might be fun to watch in my living. Okay okay well okay okay. This is why they're in trouble. One Tyler Patrick who can defend just about anything. DC cannot defend this to Charlie Esser. Who didn't know doesn't know as much about these SI thought? Hey this is just some you know another doom patrol or something that's coming to. DC Universe Burton apply wishes. They could be patrol. I AH PHILIP WITHOUT A male. I'm just saying Charlie didn't know this. This was a theatrical release. That's what I'm saying if tyler can't defend it you know it just Charlie as the general public doesn't know what's going on with it. They're in trouble. I'm interested in the film and just enough for right now like Harley because I liked what Margaret Robbie did but to see what she does. I love you McGregor. So I'm going to give them a shot. Not but that's really mean about it and I I know right. Now there's like some con convention going on and they showed that the opening footage of it. That's what we call the new posters trailer and they say we're going to get an actual comic book accurate Black Mask in the movie. Yes we'll be like the last what's second of the movie. He puts on the mass unit at the black. But anyways I just I don't have a lot of like I like the bridge prayed late. But then for the fact they don't girl who kissed enough. CASSANDRA CAIN but she's not going to be in cost you right. And I mean even depend on how they do. Cassandra Cain should the orphan. Yeah they they're gonNA CASSANDRA CAIN and they're going to have black Canary Papa. CANARIES NOT GONNA look like you know. She's not going to have the caution or anything. You don't have the costumes awesome. Sean feel like Black Canary as not because they race swap doesn't don't care about that but I'm just saying if you just look at her. I mean nothing screams black canary about it right it. Just it doesn't feel at the character costume and then hundredth infill. Roy Hundreds Her costumes crap straight up garbage and then I posted for Montag does she. Looks like An. We're actress the player. Yes Rosie Perez. Why why she's supposed it'd be one of the fill their contracts with their after hello again where they should just burned the negative progress is this like in the wizards scored universe right? Yeah so it's it's offensively in that you know that universe and every not suicide I want to. I mean Margaret rose to the ribble. And they're gonNA pretend like none of that happened. It's what I heard. Satisfy your bringing back to like what four actors from the first film. Rick flat track. What Rick Lag? I Amanda Waller Red Flag Boomerang Hang in Harley Harley humoring but but if they pull you remember remember Gi. Joe How channing. TATUM was the only returning characters. They're like died in the first five and then all of a sudden it was just the rock so I mean for all we know so I that could happen and we. We did get some sort of confirmation that there will be some sort of representation of the jared leto style joker now to be something thing about. What did we do wrong? Daddy punish US five bucks. Says they cut off the jokers face thing and someone's wearing nice initially for this out there guy my my daughter. She's her box and she's just hanging out in her boss. Wants my word industrial right because you do not go to the car and procure her her hats father. I know just where she has to wear many hats. Is there for God. I'm a horrible. Nephew are obviously making her making her. She'll vero pilot harlow. She does the little girls they want. What do you think why do you think didn't grow anymore? Before we get into comic books anything else you WANNA set on fire. Oh on the Internet about I was telling telling the hey get off my internet lawn I was telling the boys that I watched the second episode Harley Quinn. I liked this episode better than the first week. I will be watching it later when I was GONNA say wait till the kids. We still not as much not as much foul language but there are still some even just because Salas so so in love with that character right now she would be like. I WANNA watch but I was telling the boys as I hardly hardly an IB crash the Bar Mitzvah of one. This one Mr Joshua Kapah Oswald's nephew ooh the penguins. They're Baynes there. The joker shows up after. He's like say those GonNa be stupid. Kite man there kogas crashes. The joker was invited. But I he's like I'm GonNa come next stupid but then he does. Show up the Harley part I I know Harley and ivy show up and then kite man does is some of the thirteen boys with us like poison ivy carries carries there her fairmount. She does make she tells them what. Yeah there's make GOP people fall in love with me and then kills them so just the antidote to save the thirteen year old boys but then she She begrudgingly tells them. Yeah here's the Endo now fictions but you know it only works when it comes in contact with my saliva. They're like Oh you have to kiss us. She's like no. It's Antidote Hanadova Kant. So it gives them all quick. Some funny stuff with Bain in there. I I don't know why scarecrow is some kind of weird accent way. Cuddle pot is in writing jokes Anything you know fair that you guys is totally well. It kinda worked into the plot because at the end like joker and hardly of course are fighting again. All the villains. Dylan's like quickly. Try to kill Harley and Ivy and Harley why because the jokers like almost kill them in Harley why are you guys listen to him she goes. He's all he's he's always been you she. I know for a fact. He's meeting the me for years but he treats you all the same way and that's when paints like yours meal that I picked two weeks ago. Yeah Yeah I mean I'm just saying the jokers not nights per that's what I mean. It's the sleeping beauty thinking if you don't invite the angry fairy he will come in. Kirsch your children okay. Number one fillon town you know you got to appease the MEGLOMANIAC Edwin Mania. Sometimes he doesn't show up but you got us in the invite baby. They proved jokers going to bring a big prisoner some. Yeah here's a thousand bucks kid to. Here's a thousand bucks kid. Just watch the office because you can say other about a what what is your bet may just the same. Everyone does what you're really hurting my business. Mister Joker. I think it's time that you move out and you can say oh. Well I'M GONNA go crazy up your house like well. I think Mr I think vessels must have something take you know very joker versus adults as GonNa make a happy man. Oh and we we got A. We got a celebrity cameo cameo in this episode. I mean yes animated but he did his own voice and the joker killed him on live. TV Some morning talk. Show Robert Deniro. No no well it makes sense but no joker kills Howie Mandel hand anybody that that's how I know. Yeah but no. They're like good morning. Gotham for some reason. Howie Mandel was on good morning? Gotham like teaching people. Like course knows a cooking tips or something I was like really know the comedy would have made sense but it was like something about cooking tips or something else. Everybody rented conflict-prevention but I mean it was as actually actually his voice and they said it's hitching. Maybe maybe oh you ever seen a thought of the internship under chef is a hello. Yeah yeah so that would have been perfect and like and like. I think I told you a little kite man. Kite man's in this episode and he keeps it keeps on. Iv of course and then you know she has to take her back to her place to get the ended for the kids and then like wait where to go. And then he's laying in her bed like naked and he's like. Well what are you doing. He's like he's like what do you mean he's like I thought he's like any time of date. Goes good that you have sex. And she's like wait she's like this isn't a date and he's like oh I'm so embarrassed. It was embarrassing when he yeah. This is the reference of the pooling. The naked Musa that she said one. She's like you said pulling the naked. I'll get it toys. Indeed in Hey Men Mars are finishing. Hopefully this Sunday the boys. Oh Yeah 'cause I did get episode file saying I thought that was like a thing that was going to happen. I mean that's certainly that would be one of my lists. Obviously because I was Gonna get it whenever him touch with you guys. I think I counted it out. I think the last episode of the Boys Might Post the first week of January. So yeah I know what we win the next. I know the next series of the voice on sometime in twenty. Yeah yeah in these eight episodes Amram out real quick. Yeah Alad also suggest maybe chilling adventures of Sabrina. Editorial I remain print. Go back to the beginning. The I mean next. Yeah I mean that's good but then but I mean I'd love to do something you love that show interesting idea graph. Another doing the nate number eight. You make a commitment and it's much easier to get you know more people you know especially if you just have one episode like spoken all but yeah. I don't know if anyone watched today. Today's upset man the Laurean Bada Bing now when finally showed showed up. Don't don't ruin anything feel. I won't say anything police say. She's in the episode understand like Weights weights away us with my wife. You know 'cause we have Anyone seen of this new Lancaster. Yup Yeah it looks awesome. I don't do that. They can't have the senior China like why in our global market of rubies dictated by now. I'm so it's not a musical. There will be no now business like okay. This is How these live action? remakes kind of wiggle in and out like with the musical numbers or like a wool. You're a musical number is all all that I'm saying what will say about what I will say about. The line is that that is a founding mythos and it's you know it if it had been Hamilton maybe musical in China but it was more like seventeen seventy six you know so it just take me to the more quote unquote kind of like a more realistic. Go back or I'll make a man but I think it's twenty twenty. We can do that reference. They're the very real reality that I think Chinese. The Chinese language may not translate as well into you know Rogers and Hammerstein style. The musical style is that so how can we cut kind of oceans in movies and the way we do you mean segregation low in iron man three just for China they do have those but I mean you know Hugo not a musical complete set of musical numbers the soundtrack. Whatever I don't care? Hey Charlie Charlie if you look at the Messenger Tyler put up. Tyler sent to posters for birds of prey. If he I want to point out your dreams sure treats tonight and you'll have plenty of time later just View DC's posters haven't been doing much. DC's Louise I'm not doing much for me. I'll be like none of this posers anymore. Do much for because they all look like garbage economic even the wonder woman eighty four. which you know I know everyone else likes it's like at? I mean all of the John You know these these look look like your these look like they look like the box art the directive video suicide Swat suicide exclude direct to video video again. Why why I thought that was the fat in the things? They broke some stuff so I I am good luck father by but yeah. They should've kept the suicide squad bat in the back room with the other dirty movies. Well you you know I'm just saying you know what it seems like something that the universe neo. Max You know what it is is a committed to it honestly. Hbo Max has watched. I don't think they want birds of prey and out there. You know. Eventually he just director donal I'm saying. Hbo Is is kind of really prides itself on being. You know premiums all you Margot Robbie look-alikes get your resumes ready now if ever do hardly again. It's an old school early signal Dojo. I don't know that's slutty. Look for some reason. Wow those skintight. Leotards are very slutty act like a slutty clothing first of all white males of the podcast. Right you woman. You won't mean we're in the middle of our Ma'am splitting shh. Let me let me let me rephrase earning myself. A skin tightly heard is very sexy vote. Is that acceptable dealer shows. Yeah but I think they would. I Love I love. Yeah but they want to show skin though too. You know nothing. That's what I'm saying. What are you going forward? We lean might that way twenties. No place for Debbie the exemption and again wonder woman up skirt shots from TUSLA. This place read twenty twenty. I'm sorry yeah yeah I mean you know and again the boys handle them sit on that. See that's the thing. Yeah but that's the thing. If the if there is a snyder cut what is it up. Skirt shots that Hans not the jazz wing in this matter stuff that you saw ended is like fourteen minutes of all his unedited crazy. Nonsense sent anybody sucker punch. You know what I mean that what it is. It's just one long take of Sucker Punch was feet tweet. At the end of the day is into a lot of things. So he's not just kind of odd because matters not like that guy by the objectification southlake what they can even suck. I'd give a crap but it has some meaning and beat Ra- layers that I wish she could've if like managed to find injustice lead but the whole nother game. Three three hundred makes me think that Snyder has a real tight. Okay all right so I'm not saying brand serious type. I'm just saying you know you can look something visually so I'm just saying I think you know I think that's probably the hardest thing for when you know when people get mad about you you know. Oh you're putting the female in there as they want they want that beefcake look you know they want. That's what they want to look at in their her art. I was born to too late. Maybe you belong in Greece at the head of their society. I don't know I know those issues do nothing for me. But you know retain the Greeks were not as big in the bulkiness as our modern. That's that's true. There were much more for lyrical Believe that only. Yeah the Greek but very much like the ideal deal form warm was very sort of constantly guessing. Mutlu this Yo moving in that moving between world. 'cause you know if the platonic ideal you know you WANNA WANNA be of the mind though yeah REC centers. Not of the mind a Bart No. There's there's some very interesting humor working staff inspired in three hundred eighteen sacrifice justice league. But it's it's like the Justice League savages. Lay It felts you. I am a field school you did you ever see another. All students are is in its original rushing kind of pretends you sound Jerry. O'CONNELL has directed. Now yes as anyone might entity yeah He is very much home. School students and I think forgiven excellent. We'll get along swimming You know any multi those TV and it's really charting TV because he doesn't very visual Tori coming in you know an eighteen inch box hill. He has a definite Saudi. O'CONNELL the procedural He did one episode which was actually his back door. Islet no no. I probably just didn't pay attention back. Maybe yeah pilot where you like. It's like that knows. How's that secret team of super tops? That he join. Yeah that's definite of you know using too much You know Of the time music. And you can't find the other. I don't think I will in actually airs on broadcast broadcast over here on One of the channels to So it's like it's a CBS affiliate it's not decades. It's the one Dislo it's not the AP L. here dabble and yet they earn all the time Yeah copies of that on the Internet Lake. Thank you might just have faith for my he forts. I haven't heard Okay I'll bet no crackle has been credit you walk mccracken the in person anyway crackle. Is Jim Scenario now. And then I know where you're just not gonNA roll. Aw Yeah and and it and it loads for I don't I don't think they brought the server space for it. Because it's like watching watching the critic. It was like every I five minutes. That was just cycling cycling Very pressured but anyway but I can watch critic and I'm so happy to come across the credit to get a couple of weeks Hulu original shows you you break Donald in the summers you know it works better on your phone. I will say that like if you're saving it from the TV APP now not so much streaming from your at Utd and do it that way not resorts ladder. Good to know good to know all right. We'll talk. Some comics fills comics corner all right. Who wants to start late week for me? You Bliss out outlet you lay so you didn't read That man eighty four eighty four. I mean it. Tom King's only got one more issue. Issue now this one he basically shows how we got here with Bruce Flashpoint Batman the voice should be basically goes backwards. You know chose him teaming up with with Bain and then it shows how Thomas Wayne God here is member of the button storyline lilith reverse flash brought Thomas Wayne to this yes universe and then he starts flashing back to his world. I guess they weren't romantic but he was. He was like I guess. He teamed up with Cat Woman in his universe. She was kind of like these Robin. That'd be super creepy. Since he would lift. When you're old enough to be for Dow- well well that's the thing gathered there? They weren't romantic because he was because I guess they meet and he's he's like he's like your mind me and my son he would have been your age. Because to me fair Batman the fat girl in some storyline so in the story line in the killing joke movie we will go but yeah now. In the flashpoint university showed me how Bruce's mother becomes the joker. She she kills Alfred in that Universe Alpha King kitchen breaking any universe kill them in one group true. Oh and then they show in that universe after up. W- after the you know after Joe Chill Kills Bruce later on Thomas Fines Joe Chill and kills him he bazeley bludgeons is heading with Iraq over and over again. Joe Get arrested in that universities and get away. What in the flash point? Yeah I don't know because they data shows him like killing them in an alley so I mean if he got if he gets arrested he gets out of the venture. They don't have very good especially in flash painting we're in the DC univer now the marvel universe with no better criminal breakouts. You should be a segment you do about the dozens and that the problem was that records just was never built the whole super super. Well they used to have the volt in Colorado but now it seems they use what they do they use the what the raft and yeah. That's a good idea. Let's have a super villain prison right off Right in the New York river there. Well well actually. We don't know that it's well. I mean I guess in the New York Group I think it is some of the vendors they said it was like right off. You know it was like right New York there. I'm like Gregor's island just you know yeah. I somehow less secure flow in the nineties. The vault made sense. It was in like in the middle of nowhere in Colorado auto or something. I was like in the middle of the woods somewhere. The flashes pipeline. This thing had got it. Got It and you see this. In verses that these things get pipeline has a toilet they may have seen in the TV show. It shines up. Shut Charley Yeah Really. I bought for that. My voice was heard. Okay Okay so act like they don't listen because they are clearly listening. Oh you've been Charlie Toilet Hellfire finally and then they showed out the toilets actually lead to the breaking of the breaking on the system. We don't it's man maybe make the toilet powers to sweep it away. It makes it go into the wall. If you just had like a frigging the on call in the middle of you get a paper towel. I think there's I think there's toilets bloodwork mark was gonNA use the takeover the city this week when you make a toilet that fancy. Obviously it's going to shoot up your entire system as no designs it to be self contained which is what you should do. You should actually have an electric toilet. As they say or literally. The vaporizes putting in their coach. Lynn in the seventies it was great. It was brilliant. Shot Noise Electric or I could happen. Oh Oh but it. On the key. On the Batman Track Batman Universe six came out The conclusion of our so get once again too. So people think think I'd always bash bend this. I enjoyed this issue. I mean White Lantern Rang Green Lantern Scandal savage even a little bit more nightly. I mean to be fair. This is probably what he wanted. But maybe didn't want to give him back man because that's another. They don't need to sell. Oh Batman Book and it'd be too obvious. Yeah you know Superman needs more about man. Did he still does he still. Who the hell won in a capital Friday Superman? Nobody her. If Superman's books were selling before then they wouldn't try to change change himself if if disipline simple is If Peter Parker was someone they wouldn't have been Riley if captain America with something they wouldn't have a winter soldiers you know don't act like these iconic long-term heroes don't wear on people and get dull so oh yes superman. It's dull for people. He assails Japanese. They will we need something. And they bring in Jan Bernie bringing benefits. They bring whomever you know going to say. US Agent said Captain America no no no because. US Agent Never USA to replace Because it was so captain America Not Roger was still central to the book. Yeah that's the thing it's like. They didn't get rid of it. Didn't get rid of Steve. rhianna just had a new captain America. It's it's a subtle difference when they brought in Bucky and then he's more popular than you know. That's what happens. And then they did it again with talking. You know they really you know those Ju Blue Boy Scout Heroes. Sometimes people don't like in the modern. US agent tourism my new favorite nickname that CPR gave him us us. a-hole I still say that the guy that got playing. US ages books so the actor looks so much like that. It's it's disturbing when he has the beard I wonder if they're gonNA make them shame in for the show. Well Yeah they definitely made on the show and it makes you wonder going to combine this story. That Guy Guy it makes me go. Are they going to do look at are they going to merge all the time you know where they just sort of like take quality other characters and stick him in there and like math nothing in. US Agent John Walker and US up The same power a strength augmentation. Yeah yes it went through the exact same process so but no ginger. They're cheating little foul ginger. What they do now sign and he's a gauge into now? So you know the worst. I now heads no representation. Oh Hey well if you read Lois. Lane number six one of votes basically Leviathan aftermath dealing with the death of her father. Thank God that man was a Cenex while you I mean. I didn't know if they're going to kill him this quick. But you couldn't days were numbered once lowest blurted out yes yeah. That's that's right your son-in-law Superman yeah I'm like okay. Start the clock. That was another bend. This Manuka okay. So how how. Central generally is to the Superman. But you know I mean he. It's I mean he's been in and out since what that eighties nineties Lilith Ed. It's it's always like he. He's not like a thirty thirty eastern about ROSCA. Where counting the hours you know? Well he I mean he you know he has. He had his issues with Superman. So it's like all you know all look at you know. He hates superman but little. Does he know son-in-law but he hasn't been but my point is he hasn't been he hasn't been central to the way. That Thaddeus Roth was through the whole. Nah I mean in certain storylines but yeah not as well off thing. Yana is he kind of just a poor. Man's thunderbolt Ross. Where they said we need someone? I want to hate superman and chase after him. That's making general with a mustache for some reason law. He didn't have a mustache no I thought he had in this version the mustache. Yeah no I've seen New Orleans with us. That's what they really call it. General Ross Pastiche. Yeah but it really literally has like. Oh He's dating the creature that he's after is in in love with his daughter that alien the alien for all from somewhere man now he has eight number one. No I did got out of your blood okay. A little seed weighs ten dollars yet so a lot of great little stories though. It really does Anymore anymore. Calendar Man to get me to buy a ten dollar book deal over the next show. Charlie likes the next year. It's really cute. Ten little details like a dollar story ochre though it's actually ten bucks in one exactly almost almost almost like a trade paper with a lot of these books tacoma sound like they're almost like the rankings novel prices now now yeah at DC over four dollars you know. I feel but I thought this was really well done. I late all those little stories on like a lot of new talent showcase basically a with blizzard turned into for our answers. I found a couple of little people that I'm going to be on the lookout lookout for on the DC side narrow way but I probably we usually books like this actually ended up in like the The half-off banned back a month later. So you know kids rush out our ship okay. What was that? What was the third these people book you read? I guess it is it young test. Well known The stroke you yes. ASHTEC's at the the final issue. Yes yes I was GONNA say. This is a good place to leave care. I mean charged extra day on dollar dollar and the final book then nerve. I mean I mean you to districts running around one ends up being in like from an alternate reality but but then by the end that oh well yeah he end. Everybody knows it's the plots trailer. Yeah that's what I thought that was. It's going to be a totally. Basically the book. Data set everything back to status quo. I don't think we need a death stroke movie Until the movie comes out it comes out. That's not titans and all that other stuff don't worry about the book ways old wait pay old ways. World jokes grew away down critic. Christopher priest killed another book four but again when we get a green Arrow welker they waiting for Oliver to die so they can reset it. Just you know Green Arrow. That's not so TV version. I need some old school school ivy at my old school rated book late. I can't bring back Sherwood Florence all that I don't I don't know I want want him to be looked frigging black canary. I need I need that in Jerusalem Media That the status quo back into commerce. Flat Out point-blank. Meghan reading through the UNIVER. They've just belonged together number. Two people say it's boring. It's just what makes sense. Yes was he makes them better. He makes better they they just call each other out on their stuff and like honestly Lois as Clark out on his baby. The one I mean at least like all like fully fleshed out person so he can be wrong so sometimes they will write superman so perfect. So it's like Lois always always has to be like the jerk and the relationship at least with black air lease with Black Canary and green era. You know it's a it's back and forth either you know. Yeah but you know I mean to be fair to man has to live his life in constant fear of destroying the planet so he kind of acts he always has to be the best person in part is now thank you superman re halts halts. The fees are charter. Not reflected these capable takes pocket but after that idea come from the KRYPTONITE before Superman three but not one that made him go. Like all thanked me area as you do see bus model data better. They didn't really out the concept. I to Red Kryptonite. Although actually super boycotted to read scripted. The super boy series did that perk where so super bowl series had read company turning evil might not have been read could have been something else similar similar but the idea that. Hey what's something made you. Morally weak is physically weak. Superman for your basic everything. Good about command is in Superman three as well as others have done it but now oh yeah definitely the I. I was touted use like okay at need another desktop but for a while we tied everything outrageous back. I don't hear neat little bow. Everything's back you know. Joe Is we can talk the art work with Joe Bag Annella then we can talk. You know they will figure I could never remember his name today. Flash boy play. He's he happened. I know but it wouldn't WanNA fight me neither use the Promo Joe. Manganiello is always get confused with Joe Montana and no it's the name that's where they get filed in the brains and they looked that their names are too similar in my brain doesn't work quelled with medical orders. Italian screw me over I'm dishonestly. There's too many ells and bowels. I don't know where to put them in Senate silent. JEEZ NOWHERE I. I'm filing system the dewey decimal. That's all I'm saying instill yet so joe already lost his name again. This is all years ago. I would have been honey Manganiello. Oh it's wife remember envy smart. Some people only did it but that would be smart people that know how was young. Justice by the way are Naomi was in it again. Yeah will they will they when they popped out of the multi-diverse because they've been lost in the multiversity basically fell right on top and Naomi. And she's like you know she's. She's been working with star labs because Batman Superman. Set that up at Cycle yeah this this. This is the Africa that female doctors name. She's like this is the doctor and working with the Super Bowl's like wait a minute. She's the one who got me lost in the multi verse in the First Place. Yeah so now it's like you know. It's his Thakur Star labs up. Why do we trust their lives anyway? We talked about one thing. Do we trust them because she thought I thought that Superman knew what they were doing in. Come on be fair. When it comes to super-scientists they're they're all little shady you know on ground can put you on the moon or you can drop a balance your house? And he doesn't care which he just wants to rocket so when you so when you get super scientists it's like okay go in this direction super-scientists okay and they're like little children and they run and they do their thing and then if they go in the wrong direction it's like you need someone there to push him back and as far as superbowl Stupa boy breaking La Daming into an okay. He'd probably still come out but it'd be much but it would have been a much more of a crap. Shoot you know sending a freaking opponent or even a Lutheran clue as it were and it's the best both worlds. It's fine you want. It's what it's what band fixing demanded I was throwing through the early internet or something you know we should do. I read this great story that I can't put the behavior of Tim Drake's plan. UPS Boy were NEP realm. Costs you still. It felt right there. Hey Drake Drake's ain't what it but the one good thing. The one good thing he does have with Tim. Drake as you know the minute ticket back. Tim Scott Text Stephanie. Stephanie Brown where are you what happened exactly what he wears Brown because it's how he shows his love from you stick Stephanie Brown. Okay okay. I guess I'm guessing here that's a couple. I just thought were duck colors. I don't know but our own is seventy brown a couple with him. Yeah Okay Yeah. That's where we blame aren't saying you know that's right Florida Ben Get your Hellfire outfits Nobody that I don't think it's I don't think it street legal if nothing else. If his girlfriend's blessing is Brown and he's wearing ground. How do you not put together color? starkness there's much a storyteller as everybody else in the they know who made this up that new costume. CHARLEENA's ended spenders cintas. Well that's an assumption is. He's the writer on assume I know he's not the artists if you he may have written stuff like I said it's a collaborative effort not many improvement. It it might have been. I think she makes us. Brown ran for colleagues though superheroes they in lecture trying to say he's not a villain and he's not a hero. I hear color talk. That's the ground is a color. That is not what you expect. It's not a brighter old hero. Eero killer is on a dark brooding anti document. Bruti let me I'm thinking it's earth in its Goodness of the earth moving the strength of a whatever obviously You'd have to have certain. IQ Mr Hey ask lowest already. Said I'm the I'm the dumbest one on this podcast. You don't have to. They were all we all do. Different things oh please. Mr Who history was on. Who wants to be a millionaire? You like seventeen languages and I'm sitting here reading the end up sitting here reading my funny books I ever did. I you know I will say that you know issues. You know artists you know. He's you got so much knowledge in their. It scares me. Yeah no one cares fair. No one cares about the questions I could ask them. Who wants to be a millionaire there are there? You know it's like those are like. What is the cure for cancer? Okay I wanNA listen to what Charlie has to stay about War never win on super connect savings so you know. We'll talk something else. I mean that. Is I do that book. It's actually I. What did there? It's a setup book and I I see what you're doing marvel I know what you do. I I'm sorry I know what you've purchased Disney and see what you're purchasing Disney. I see where you're going with all that's all we we get. We get talked both CONAN books. This week has also in savage vendors. You know cone instead dinner with Doctor Doom which was also really good Okay Entre I'm trying to find something but cat. Oh yeah black cat cat number on my favorite book that we Oh this was I really have to this guy telling you I'm buying it and it is definitely on my of foolish you know this is I I I love. I love the backtrack story. I love this year and again. It's just it's a story story about love now and no. I mean basically critical. It's beautiful I mean other times as a story for like this might seem slow to me but I mean 'cause basically just backstory for the villain and I I enjoyed it trying to flush out there villains. Marvel really had a bad problem with Mellon's furlough. Yeah even the Black Hawks flashing up. Yeah well at work rushing out than than for. I thought it was an Desa Odessa. It's take right to yes. I'll see her just like no thank you that we we know it's Super Connection Boilers. She's apparently in love with someone named Party. Hardy Girl I. This is all news to me because it's like Oh alchemy and the immortal thieves and like what the what now it kind of. It's kind of tangentially in generally connected the gambit you know the thieves guild the assassins guild all that stuff okay. I ever by the way. I'm not if we oh and also the were secretly immortal because year working with an outcome. And that's okay As you do I mean when your name has yielded. It's implied there's mom there's some things going. Oh Korean's is the thing ignorant fried. I don't know The hip way to sell your soul. Yeah the Union town which is what state which lose to be any way back in the day and but we know we the alchemist. The Union. Well that's I've seen I've seen gold as just a union. We got rules regulations yet. A potluck every Thursday you know this is an mortality. Your whole faulting. The the immortality things but of the immortal. And you're GONNA be like you know all heavy about something because someone in the New York killed annoyed. You read any like Ian Wright's apart and was struck me as petty. He's the Pattie Boyd of all athletes. Are you interviewing member. I felt Lewis Petty. I feel basic all those things as well. Well let's not just seems like a guy wants to have fun creator. He became various. Let's be honest sir. I loved I loved event per LASORDA's a book. I you know I don't that is the from time Khruschev that. Yes we all agree. But Not Tom Cruise Tom Cruise fine cruise. You make it in the ninth. Yeah I mean you and I are taking them on an apple cart. That's fine styles. That tall any no. It's it's spine that he's not. He's not rutger Hauer Who is as interested who she envisioned in it but she was talking recor Howard in And you know when they made the film. It's like thirty years after our isn't Rutger Hauer is he. Even BRECON puts. The UNSUBTLE isn't Harrison Ford import from. Yeah but that probably a lot of people aren't reading like tons and tons of comic books out so they're finally doing blackout right. Yeah the word out. We'll trying finally a really good Superhero Romance Book of the few books. I've read where it gets. Exactly what was great about Romance Comics from the fifties which is emotion and character and that the stakes are not. Who's going to blow up the world and WHO's been living dive more like who actually can connect with another human being and feel fulfilled as a person? 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Consumer's GONNA go take over New York City because someone shot one of his robots and I suppose to be smart. I thought how would that result with Reed Richards like pushing the button in the basketball in putting it dooms ever created off. You know you've had your fun doom but now it's his turn it off I was waiting to do. This is just that doom is actually moon right now. Putting you know some I'm Catholic creature to save the universe that nodal ever know about. Ns Distance Dumyat running. You know annoyance program number seven forty three that's l. boombox overtime and the air. Yeah we put valley. Obviously 'cause I'm dishonest re-communicate I'm just thinking that that the Where he's going through his whole body but let's not to mention that it's too has these protocols are just like running in the background because he didn't stuff to do today like You know does the you got all kinds of heroes for no country to ride with an iron fixing face and started building. The that's just sort of petty. Did you kids you know what. Let's go back. Go and be there in the interview. It's like four four four until the first Baxter's had like four messages analysts and go in and come out and no-one was the why that is so so much off of my plate so happy and then you know they are taken to get more advanced and then he gets basically Doom about network which is never get Scotland and case literally think of initiative. Done that this issue. I mean they're it's going to be the reveal obviously in thirty two. Oh they just killed spread around in this. Oh say wrong. How could they do that? Do Me No Rob Southgate has the trademark was giving any honorifics although as a doctor would say dropout vary university to give them some doctorate. It's actually more effort to give you. The doctor told everyone knows that Lavar University produces the best in his best and his I heard he had someone else rate his bestselling book. The Art of sorcery. You know I don't. I was reading Marauders There you can find me on slater. Let's talk soon. I Love the Hellfire Club like I love all those story. Lance's book is just like Yes. Yes thank you. Finally number three people in the mutant massacre right. Yeah Kill Roll those like a Sabertooth book about stashing jar. So Oh forget who absorbs energy and like it gets harder you hit him the stronger he gets Kinda thing. Yeah it's gotTa you know. Yeah it's their parents. It was. It was a big Sebastian Shaw Week. He was not X.. Men Three this week to just GonNa say yet estimate they. Obviously it was pretty good but this is my favorite kind of great now. OCHRE pirate side of the because they're pirates because they're pirates are you're very straightforward fine and action. 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Episode 43: Harley Quinn

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Episode 43: Harley Quinn

"Hey, Matt I have yet to ride one of those birds scooters 'cause I hate those things that does not surprise me at all Joel. But you know, I been getting Instagram adds to give me to become a bird charger to join that gig economy. Oh, that's right. Just like Uber folks are getting targeted to start side hustles to make an extra buck or even to try to make a career out of it. But should you? Do it not all side hustles are created equally. Exactly every week. We dive into practical money topics like this on our podcast. Listen subscribe to our show on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcast. Just search for how to money. Hey, what is up doing heard Vam? It's it'd be way. And you're listening to narrative and across from me as always ills Dani Fernandez, if he I saw you e like a massive hamburger today or yesterday was a fourteen pound birds. No. And I really it was a home thing. You know, I don't know jam bodies work. And I've I'm learning that the hard way, I had trouble breathing all day. And you know, I look I get it. Probably you know, what you probably burn calories trying to eat. It was so crazy. 'cause you know, you you always wonder what those cooking shows like, oh, what do you do after it? And they'll just like, okay. Are you going to take this? And I was like, well if you guys are gonna throw away. Yes. You know, I come from that Nigerian heritage like I was in Nigeria. They're like you eat the whole cow. You do any of the Mexican families to. Yeah. It was like a whole thing. Like we were getting yelled at. But like she was kind of hustling. There was a lady who was on the property. Who's like, you are not going to eat the okay, you're going to the way she soon because we're Americans. But my dad was like, no we are going to eat the whole cow. And she was like, I will take these cows. And so I was like, oh, she just hustled us 'cause she just took some of the meat. But all right. I gotta respect the hustle shout out if she. He's listening all the way things she is essentially. Today. We have a special guest. Oh my gosh. This is a voice that I've heard from most of my life, and I got to be being in the room with them. You know, you saved it all for the air. I didn't I didn't wanna geek out. But now you can't be weirded out because we have you on tape. Still be on tape. The door. Does have a lock. Escape room. The puzzle. You have to get out of here. Only one in here who hasn't been in a scape room because I I yeah, I'm bad at puzzle. So I just know him 'cause you know, every time every one of my friends who go and escape rooms there there always is that one person who they're like this guy was so dumb, and he was slowing down the process. And I was like, oh, I don't wanna be that. I don't wanna be that person. If you're good at something you have value you want bring someone that's good at word game. Someone's getting math someone's gonna puzzle. Like, oh, I can figure out this math question. I can figure out this geography customers people that are good at different things or helpful. Okay. Cool. Yeah. And even if you just having a good time in portion where it's like do a fortnight dance. I haven't seen that. But we need someone. That's as hell or something like. Yeah. You have to dead lift this three hundred and fifty pounds look shell. We're talking to a woman of in my opinion, thousands of voices. I don't know if that's correct. But I'm going to think that it is Korean chasers. This week. It was eleven hundred seem credited roles, you know, a lot of times. We're like, hey, can you do this extra little girl in the silver guy over here? Yeah. Roger Craig Smith who you have worked with eight. You hate canonical hate he was saying that. Yeah. In one show alone. It was he was credited as doing one hundred voices in one show. That's because he's not good. They'll be like oh, give the crappy little were. He can say one word or a snort or a gas. Give him the little bit parts that no one will hear about going to clip this and send it to him directly. We are talking to Tara strong. Thank you so much for joining us today. We are covering Harley Quinn. We are covering the history of Harley Quinn and kind of what she came to be. And what she is. Now, Tara you voiced bat girl before you were Harley. What was that kind of like that transition of getting to play essentially, a hero in my opinion? Harley is still a hero. I guess an anti hero. But what was it like switching from girl? Barbara Gordon to Arleen. Well, first of all it was so cool to be back early. It was like I was pretty new in town. And there were a million people in that casting room like A-List celebrities, huge tally. And I was like oh my God. And when I looked at my age like when you you still had answering machines he's like, oh my God. You're the girl. That's the back your background. I was like oh my God. And then I was in the booth with Mark Hamill on one side and Kevin Conroy on the other. And I was like holy crap. There was Adrienne Bard bow. And then there was Arleen Sorkin who is one of the most beautiful creatures you've ever seen and her voice is so it's so distinctive and beautiful. And the the character was created for her. They created Harley for her. And it's modelled after her. She has a similar look, and that voice is unmistakable. And watching her do her bits with Hamill. Like, I really was like pinching myself every day just to be alongside this greatness. And I just always loved her and adored her. And then when they went into the Arkham games they brought me in there wasn't an audition process. They said they wanna take Harley to a new level, and I was terrified because of those those are some pretty big boots to fill and, you know, people love their actors that create a voice that may. Make that voice famous which is great. You know, the fans that love us were nothing without them. And they get pissed off when we get replaced. So do we so it's like, you know, I was really scared because she's such a beloved character that oh my gosh. I hope people love my version because they didn't want me to do an impression. They wanted me to take what I knew of her and then make it my own and blow it out for this video game. And I was really really nervous at that session and to sort of tap into her essence, I had her one of her famous lines on my phone. So like anytime before I'd go into a session. I would just be like eat after living with Mr. j this time I'd be used to little like that's how I got into it every time and then build from that. And by the way, Arlene was so gracious like in the press, she said that she had spoken to her husband after she saw me working like maybe one of the first times, I'm back girl. And she said if there was anyone ever to take over for me, I'd want it to be Tara. Oh my gosh. I have not been as gracious to people. Was Justice doll, and I feel so honored to follow in her footsteps in. It's it's one of those roles that like when you're by yourself doing a video game. It can be completely so vocally taxing because even if you're not doing a thousand deaths sounds it's just you for four hours nonstop. And so sometimes you're like, oh, I have to do this video game. I know it's going to be crazy anytime it's Harley I get so happy because it's like therapy. Like, I get in there and get to scream at the world, and it's so much fun. And now I feel like she's so much part of me. Like, I get really upset when someone else plays Harley. Like, I'm like that. I'm Harley, you know. And I just love any any iterative her. I love and have done so many, you know, the video games is very specific than there was DC girls in DC superhero girls. And then there's been some shorts that I've done and other entities like anywhere. She lives. She's a little bit different here. She's more Harley lean here. She's a little bit older here. She's a teenager here. She's whatever, and you make that adjustment in your mind to be her in these different places. And it's always fun. And I do think she's a hero. Because, you know, first of all you love to hate the bad guy anytime, but there's such like a sincerity to her and like a pure love. Like, no matter what's going on out. How abusive the joker is or no matter what she's facing. She still comes at her like proud. And her abilities and her agility from love, even if she's bashing someone in the head as like, she's just pure powerful love, and you have to love her because she does everything. So completely like there's nothing half ass about Harley. Yeah. Nothing which he loves one hundred percent. And right hates one hundred percent. She's extremely loyal. That's what she's extremely loyal. And I feel that way too about a about poison Ivy. I always see poison Ivy as a hero. I'm like she's trying to save the planet. Nobody's listening like we're the ones that are destroying the planet, and she will kill us if she has to, but yeah, I agree. I think that there's such a fine line between hero and villain. And I really think it's depending on the perspective, or it's like they say the best villain is one that you can understand. I think the best villain as a hero. Who goes too far? You know, like, you know, have someone like air kill monger, who you're like, I see where you're coming from please chill out even Banos. I see where. You're coming from please chill out. You know, that is the because you know, that hyper evil is just so done in cliche. And everyone does something for a reason. So to do something to rule the world or to end the world. It's like, well, why are you doing that? You see a villain with vulnerability? That is like it's so moving because you always anytime, there's a superhero comic or character. You think what's their origin story? And when there's a villain, and you and you see the origin stories where we see what they're going through. It's like, wow. And there's always pieces that you can relate to even if it's someone like fans are Harley like some craze like okay, I can relate to that. Character even though they can shoot lightning bolts out their eyeballs. There's something that I can relate to in their psyche. Yeah, I feel that way because we did an episode on the punisher, and I forgot to mention that he said you're one bad day away from being me, which is so true. That's how the that's kind of what happened with Harley, you know. And I think that there is some I think she has sympathy for the joker. And then the ba- Batman. Has sympathy for her and watching this like watching her chase after him. Yeah. There definitely seems to be a level of Batman being like, you're you got like there were like few episodes where you see him like the joker doesn't care about you. And she's like shut up. He was a big Malley. You guys get the digital remastered that just came out. Oh, yeah. You mean with the tiny funk? Oh, oh, yeah. It's sitting here in my walls. Yeah. At comecon. They played it on the big screen side by side and that show holds up anyway, it's like film, Noir mutiple, but to watch it re colored it's like, holy crap. It's so beautiful. Yeah. Got it. I mean, I feel like you know, we're talking about origin stores. I think this is a good place to jump in on Harley Quinn. So Harley Quinn her full name is Dr Harley Francis Quincy, well, this V H D. And this is you know, she what's dope is she came from the animated series, but she still had that like nineties level. Like naming where like superhero names, their real name sounds like their nickname. I always bring it up on the podcasts. Black bolts real name is blacker guard bolt again. Really shot for the moon. Edwards 'nigma? Right. Yeah. That's that's the Ridler come on. That's that'd be like, that's the guy. That's gonna be the guy. It sounds like but early Quincy fictional character. Appearing in DC comics was created by Paul dean and Bruce him, and I appeared in Batman the animated series, which makes her so unique, you know, which goes to show just the performance just like, you know, I feel like a lot of times people underestimate or under appreciate except for the fans the over. I was gonna say over appreciate. But he appreciate just enough voice actors and just how dynamic their performance can be because Harley Quinn would not exist without the performance. You know, like if that wasn't a amazing performance in the animated series. It could have just been a character that lived in died with this series. But instead it was so good that because of Arlene. Yeah. Like had she not given that voice all those crazy little quirks and highs and lows and things like catch ear the what was that? Not just another chicks voice. It's really she breathed life into this character that you want to hear more from even though it can be high or irritating. Crazy like I got to work. I want to hear. More. Yeah. Yes. So going off of what you were saying about Arleen. So she was a former star of the soap opera days of our lives and appeared in a dream sequence on that series in which she ward just or costume. So like terrorists saying it was literally based on literally that episode is why they created Harley. Yeah. Yeah. So she starred in an episode titled jokers favor in September of nineteen Ninety-two tear. I wanted to know because she was just supposed to be kind of like a walk on role. If she was just supposed to kind of be like, the sidekick, but not really have what she is. Now, why do you think that people latched onto her and have stayed latched onto her? Yeah. I think that reason has changed over time. And I think initially people were so drawn to her because first of all the fact that joker even has a girlfriend interesting like who would date the joker. And the fact that she's so lovable in so loyal. And also her costumes are always kick ass. No matter what they put her in Harleys. Like, you know, it's the biggest cause play. Like, especially Comecon, but any of them, you know, there's just Harley events like I went to like a Harley panel in the whole room was Harley. Of course, I the prized everyone in 'cause plate, and it was freight, those pictures are awesome. But I think people like I think they were drawn to her initially because of the total package it was her drying. It was it was the writing of her. It was the acting was how she looked and the dynamic between her and joker and how she would go for Batman like what cute little chicks gonna go after Batman Harley. You know, like, I think there was so much that went into this perfect storm to create this kick ass chick. And then over the years white people love her and how she sustained is because she's grown with the times, you know, some characters stay very classic. But she's like grown like people like, wow. Like in some of the games that you see like her becoming her own woman in her own power and kicking ass by herself. And like, I just think it's something people aspire to go. Well, she started out as this meek little, you know, wilting. Flower beside joker. And now she's doing things by herself and kicking ass all on her own. It's like, wow, people like blown away by her power. And she so powerful like you're just drawn to her and everybody sees something in themselves from her nothing people are all psychopaths. But. Definitely see. Well, I've put up with some crab in my life that I shouldn't have. And I still love that guy or whatever it is. That you go she's so devoted, and but also she's so cute, and that's part of it to her design is so cute. It is a reason people 'cause play her people don't always 'cause play TIMMY Turner, if they're not hot really naked cost. Too sexy to me. Let's see I'm gonna look for that. I did want to say this was an interview from Bruce Timm in Vanity Fair in two thousand sixteen he said, we didn't want to give joker girlfriend because it humanizes him. We are really trying to stress how bizarre and creepy. He could be and this is from Paul Dini complex. I was writing the script for the Batman animated series. When I was coming up with an idea for the jokers gang of henchmen. I thought I'd like to put a female character in there. I was going back and forth in my head about what kind of character. She should be. What if she's funny? What if there's a bit of a throwback to the henchmen from Batman in the sixties? What if she gets laughs from the henchman sometimes when the joker doesn't? That's what I really love about her. Is that like you said she moves honestly from being a follower to a leader? Yeah. She went from she appeared in a suicide squad in the new fifty two that was in twenty eleven the new fifty two was when DC came through. And kinda just we did a lot of their lines. And then she ended up in rebirth. Having her own comic Harley Quinn comic. And she's also. Gotham city sirens. And she's like one of the only sustainable comic heroes that didn't start as a comic yet. You know? And now all her comics are huge in the the bigger book. Ones are awesome. I mean, I bought them all. I've read them all yet. But as soon as I did killing joke, I had to buy everything that was like that too. That. Yeah. Yeah. It's so funny about it too. Is a Harley is kind of similar in joker in the sense. That joker was supposed to just be a villain of the week. And somehow he called me out. And then, you know, same thing for Harley she was going to be just this character who popped on. And she just was so amazing that I yeah, there's there's something I think about her that is just so infectious where you just love seeing her. And I think it is just in a way where I find that, you know, joker. Like, he is funny. But he's funny in a creepy way. Like, it's very dark, and you don't really trust his last where Harley seems like she's having fun. You know, you're what you're doing bad. But she's also a train wreck which is always fun to watch. What is that girl? Going to do next. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Terry. I wanted to actually quote, you because we have this in here from that Vanity Fair article where you said feminism is about showing women as fully fleshed out human beings. And that's what Harley is she doesn't make choices that are smart or good for woman, but she gets to make those choices men are allowed to be Upson all kinds of characters and women. Aren't we have to be idolized? She gets to not be good quote. Our producer put that in there. He was like well because he pulled a lot of the research. He was like he texted us yesterday. And was like, wow. A lot of these quotes are from Tara. I do want to say that she kind of paved the way for characters that we see now leg Jessica Jones who deals with mental illness that she's alcohol EQ, and she like she's allowed to be flawed. But way, before she appeared we had characters like Harley that we're kind of groundbreaking of like, no women don't have to be pretty imperfect all the time, they can still be super strong, but have but have flaws, which makes them more relatable. I find that you know, that that is like the pinnacle to representation because lots of times when people are like insert, you know, certain race or women here they have to they there's this need to make them always perfect because we're like, we don't wanna offend them. But it's like, no, we, you know, the fun stuff usually in media and storytelling is like seeing someone fail and bounce back and go through hard times. And you know, you don't wanna see someone just be perfect boring. Yeah. It's very boring. You don't get to do the fun stuff. So that that is very true. Like, you know, especially like, I think pre pre Harley pre a lot of stuff, you know, you usually have believe it to beaver syndrome where like, you know, the wife is the homemaker and she's perfect, and she's not going through stuff, even though she's taking care of five kids and a dog, you know, when you mentioned he's not in the best. Yes. Go crack, some skulls. Yes. Please do that day. I was going to say we are going to get into some of Harleys abilities as well as the video games right after these messages. Hi, I'm Ariel Casten. And I'm Jonathan Strickland and together we're going to tell you the stories behind some of the biggest triumphs in failures and business. That's right. We're going to explore situations that tested the medal of entrepreneurs pivotal moments required. Making tough decisions. We'll be talking about some big companies that everybody knows like Disney LEGO and Harley Davidson and together we try to answer the question. What do you do when you find yourself at the brink? Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to your podcasts. We're we're that tear you were talking about how strong she is. I think a lot of times people do forget a lot of Harleys abilities. I mean Harley ability Harley, Arlene, I was thinking of her her abilities as a doctor in the she's incredibly smart, I think as goofy as she is she's increase she has a PHD in this room. How the PHD what's funny about picking up like storied storytelling is there's so much so many years of lore that that's find the most fun part of like comics where there's one writer who's like, oh, we never talk about that. Let's touch on that. And and I am waiting for the Harley comic where she's like cooking up all these different, you know, sp- because like if you think about it jokers always trying to make those like laugh gases Harley probably is the one who knows how to cook it up the best. Yeah. It's always fun to as an actor to play her both both ways. Like if there's flash. Bax or things of her from when she was Har lean more Harley like there's a difference in my voice when I'm doing Harley as opposed to what I'm doing Harley even within the same game. And it's always so interesting to like bring in the crazy legs. She starts at like. Okay. What what what's bothering you today? Not just like like like. Like like, you know, and vocally I come at it from a different place. I mean when I'm in the studio, I like imagined in my mind, what's happening. I see all the action. So that sort of happens organically, where it's a little bit lower a little more like a human, you know. And then when it becomes Harley it's like game over just, you know, just want to talk a quick sidebar about the talent of voice actors like sometimes when you hear an views voice actors like, oh, I just do an impression of this person. Doing an impression of this person. Like, oh, I can't I stopped at the first one. I'm not good. And it seems like Harley is one of those characters who seems like it is like almost like, I don't know the it's an accent. But then take into the max, what would you say? Well, I'd say for starters that it is not an can't be an impression if you're just copying what someone did before. You'll never capture the essence, and especially someone like Harley who is so deep and so complicated and conflicted. If you're just try. To sound like you're never gonna get to that core. And part of what makes her so incredible. Is you know, there's a lot of deep stuff going on. And you can't just say hang in a copy of that anytime, I've been in an animated session where someone's coming in and doing an impression of looks Mel Blanc character that's not around anymore. I always like, it drives me nuts where I can hear the difference between someone that just does a good impression and someone that captures the essence of that character, and as a huge huge difference and not everybody can do both and you can hear it right away. And that's one reason some people don't like a version of Bugs Bunny version of Harley because you like, they're not the greatest actor their just copying a voice, and whenever someone wants to get into voice acting. They say how do you start? I said have you ever taken acting class have to come at it from an actress standpoint, you have to take acting classes seen study, improv singing lessons note, your voice can do like you gotta have a bag of tricks. You can't just go in there and read off a paper or copy something you've heard because it's not going to be authentic. So that's like a big big deal and not every voice actor can do impressions. Even if they have good ears. Thus me. I'm the worst at impressions. Okay. You might be a good boy sack. Oh, you know. I'm gonna go inside baseball after leading lead NAR CVA listeners. See I always get those nuggets from you. When I get these geniuses in here. So feel free to thank me. I always like to ask for thanks because you know, that's what keeps me going on there. But. It's great that you say that because I'm just we're getting back to her train transition. Not yet. I'm because I'm still an inside baseball mode. I get so mad when I get vio auditions like, oh, this was a role done by X. So sound like accidentally. Oh, why am I getting this? I don't I don't know how to sound like that person. Is is your advice the same just do you? Or if you're supposed to sound exactly if they're trying to do exactly voice match, and you can't and you can't get there. If you have a couple of days to get their work on it like really work on it. And if you can't get there don't go in if you can get there and still bring your own essence into it. Go for it. But there's going to be people in there that get it. That are perfect and you don't want to walk in there. Like, oh that guy sounds exactly like bugs sound like, you know, TIMMY Turner. No, it's not gonna work. Right. So you better be pretty close. If you're going to go in and try and voice match, but still. Make it your own, but not vocally necessarily with your acting like initially for the new rocky and bull winkle show that I'm doing they didn't want voice match. They said we wanted to capture the essence of rocky, but not a voice match. So I was actually pretty terrified because it hasn't been animated since the sixties and the adult generation or people that have watched it on reruns know, what they want to hear it. I'm like, are you sure you want to do an impression? And then there was chemistry. Reeds which means you go in with the person. That's playing bull winkle which was is Brad Norman, and he's doing exactly moose and everyone else in the show is exactly the tasha and fearless leader. They are all those people. So I was like, wow. 'cause they want me a little deeper in a little more sarcastic. And so I did that I looked it. But it still didn't feel exactly right to me. And I swear to God when June died it's like she jumped in my body. And be like this is how it's supposed to sound. And I begged the director let me go back and do the first few episodes more like rocky, which we did. So you you have to know who. You're playing and know everything about that character. If you have to do an impression watch that stuff over and over and over and get it like years ago, I had to do a Rosie Perez impression and at first I didn't have it. And I watched white men can't jump a thousand times like over and over. And I I'm like, you know, sometimes when you win you actually over and over over and then finally sometimes when you win you actually lose and sometimes when you lose your actually win and sometimes new tie you actually win or lose. And I'm like, that's what was it. Like, it took me a wild like get her, you know, and then I can say anything you can ask me anything I can say it like her. But I didn't think oh I'll try like I worked on that for days to hit the right pocket. All right now, you know, the where are, you know, now that was that was a that was a free masterclass. You look only deficit dropping nuggets like this. That's why you need us up to me on Twitter. At least thank me. Let's go into these abilities. So we were talking about her being a doctor, but she does have abilities because she has friends, for example, poison Ivy who is toxic by nature. She didn't wanna poison Harley with her natural toxin. So harlequin is immune to various though, not all toxin and heals quickly for minor wounds. The so she's not just the doctor woulda big old mallet. She actually has them. Although that now it mainly are saying she has tremendous strength because that mala is like you is massive attack about the girls four arms. I mean, that's like that's super human strength Harley, Quinn, superhuman superhuman. She's a superhero, she did enhancer strength and natural agility and develop an immunity to jokers venom in toxic gas. So and it was mentioned in the Batman animated series and comic books, and she probably has unity from other knockout chemicals. There's a lot of fake out. She likes to do where she's like, I'm knocked out. Just kidding. Sorry. Time time to listen to her thousand. I love that. So if you do listen to tear at times, you come back, and you have that voice down. We will be next. Something that I forgot about Harley is that she is a gymnast. She's a train gymnasts, and she was actually before she when she was studying to be a to get her PHD. She was a gymnast. So she can bend in ways. Leonardo agile. She makes up pretty apparent. I did want to say also that she has a criminal psychology. She also I I wanna say as as someone that is a hardcore feminists. I like the fact that she does use her sexuality in certain ways. That's well, unlike he's like, you say over the years, it's changed. Yes. She was a lot more submissive in the beginning. But she's found her power over the years, and she's not afraid to use it. Yeah. As she shouldn't be. And I think I think her being sex positive is also important too. Because I feel like that has changed and I feel like my generation is super sex positive, and we're no longer just like trying to shame women. You know? So I like that. I like that about her costumes. I like that she can be sexy smart and super fricken strong. Yeah. I like that too. So you know, I'm the game. Dude. Her look actually changed with Arkham asylum 'em, and then tear you came in for Arkham city, origins and night. Let's talk about the skeletons of this how 'cause you know in games, you it's it's a lot different than just a straight narrative script, you're doing all these potential side, you know, comments, especially like if a player chooses to ask a million questions is is that a different product process, or is it just a longer session. Well, when you're doing a series, you're with typically the other actors, so you're playing off each other, which I prefer to do because it's more fun. Like, if someone says, we gotta go you, Michael, okay? If someone, you know, you're responding you're listening as the actor. So when you're doing video game, you're all by yourself. And you have to imagine what the other people are saying and in video games, you have to you have to act out all the different scenarios that could happen. So yes, it's a lot more work. It's a lot more dialogue. Like if it's almost like a choose your own adventure book like you have to record. Every which way that could end, right? And a lot of times you're recording. Like, the idol lines two like, I guess. I want to thank me to dance something I rang like you got to there's so much to record. And I think the obviously the most vocally taxing or the pain noises and the fighting noises, they can be bad like okay in this scene. Harleys electrocuted. Okay. In this scene. She's falling off a cliff and dies. And you know, there's so many different things that you have to record an ex it's a lot. It's a lot for sure. But it's it. I don't know why with Harley it's just never a chore. Like, I always feel so grateful to be in those shoes. It's awesome. I did want to say because her costume changed with these games. But then also a suicide squad, which I saw you dress up as do you have a favorite costume of hers? I think the first game is still my favorite that. I did. And I remember being at Comecon and seeing like a building of her in the new outfit and going whole the crap. I don't know if we can swear on this show. So. Okay. Crowley Harley in full. She's a building like she's huge like. Wow. And she's oh, hot and sexy and strong. And like, I don't know that was my that would have been my first choice for Harley causeway, but ended up doing I think a different one the first time, which was so much fun. Because normally at Comecon I can't walk from my hotel to the con- without people going strong later. But as Harley I could go anywhere because there's a million Harleys. And in fact, people wanted to take my picture because they liked the costume. And there was this one guy. That's a canoe took your picture. Harleys my favorite in. There's like thirteen I've taken today, and I said flooding, but MIS, and he goes, I don't know I've seen a lot of good ones. Like, I just couldn't wait for that guy to go home. And like make us iphone just a little bigger. It was so much fun to do that. I the time that'd be funny to be uploads in like facial recognition terrorist strong like on there. There was another. There was like a family that just happened. I love 'cause play families. It's cutest thing ever when they're all in cost you and like the mom was back girl. The daughter was raven. The boy was Ben ten. The other daughter was Harley, and I was with a director friend of mine, and the mom said we take a picture with my daughter. She's dressed as Harley, and I said sure, and like actually, let's do a family photo. And I said, okay, when I'm standing next to raven, and I go do, you know, do you know who I am? And she's like, I know who I am. And I go, okay, whatever. And she's like, yeah. Whatever like, they didn't know. Right. And then my director goes, you know, she voices all of you. Right. But she's our whole family, right? And they're like. Second air like just, but 'cause place so fun. Yeah. I always look I liked seeing when. Daniel Radcliffe was like spider. I think he walked around Spiderman. But since he had a mask on. Nobody knew. Yeah. That's the greatest myself much fun favorite is one year. Blake Blake Anderson for work a Hollick's was he just he wanted to go in and buy stuff, and he just put on a woven green masks. Yeah. And like I was like, but I could still see your hair. But I was like, I only know because I know it's you anyone who's that weird hair fun to just walk around the con in cognitive and be able to go anywhere and do anything as fun. If he was going to say we have to take another break. So that we can take a break and then wrap up with the future of Harley and and. And and you know, it's it's going to be a new segment, I call the gush session, and we'll go there. Founds. Good. We'll get to it. We'll see you after the break. Wait is that you're going to break a wh-? What did you want to do? I don't know just say, hey, so we'll we'll get into the movies. The future of Harley Quinn, oh wrap up, and that whatever we can keep that cheap and all of that. But we'll see y'all after the break. That's great. You know, people say necessity is the mother of invention. But that's not always true. Sometimes the mother of invention is advertising. Yeah. Or pure accident. How about ego maniacal delusion? Absolutely. Or just a desperate longing. To be cool. I'm Robert lamb, and I'm Joe McCormick. We're the host of the science podcasts stuff to blow your mind. And now we're branching off into the exploration of invention. Invention is the story of human history told one piece of technology at a time the things we made and how they made us invention publishes every Monday, listen and subscribe to invention on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you find your podcasts. And we're back in before we move on to current Harley. I just wanted to touch on for those of you that kind of thinking of where to start with her obviously the animated series, which was saying still holds up so beautifully. I feel like you could honestly freeze frame any part of that show and like make it a poster it's so pretty but another thing is her. She also appears Harley appears in the nineteen Ninety-four graphic novel. The Batman adventures mad love in that recounts, a lot of her origin story and also her, you know, her love with joker that relationship. You can see all of that in mad love. I actually just bought it. I'm really excited to podcasts of people talking about it. And it sounds amazing. So pick that up and yes, so now we have a heartily in suicide squad. She also is going to be in birds of prey my fans went ape when they found out. I wasn't playing her on camera. And I'm like, dude, I go on Twitter. I'm like. Margot Robbie is the hottest chick. And and she's a stunningly amazing actress, she's also a lot younger than mean, not valid vigor, but like like, let her shine. And she she's a star. Like, I if I pick her to play Harley like great, I understand that. But I would like Tara Harley Quinn. I I've said a million times, which I think would be really fun. I think they should put me Hemel in Conroy like in a booth at a diner like how you know Stanley doesn't. I think we need a little cameo. I mean, I think so. Oh, that'd be so fans. Go nuts. Yeah. Hopefully, totally I was reading I thought I read somewhere that you vote. You did like a little thing of Harley for aero. Yeah. Okay. So that was like hurt because people didn't really get to see her, right? He's all went nuts because they knew right away with my voice. And I was like you should put me on the show the fans would really like that. But anyway, it was just that one little went off without fun. Everybody, right. Make this happen. Four aero hashtag to the number for like, you know, Harleys a mom, and she has teenage boys or something like mom Harley. Clinger's what does Harley as a mom do like, she's still like likes to dress up and look hot? But then in the morning, she makes oatmeal like pain. Maybe she kicks ass at night. But during the day, she goes to PTA. Gosh, that would make a lot of sense. That would be such a clear run highly, you know, at home. She's like everyone have the breakfast, then she's like. Kick. Some maybe you know, there's too. I don't know you guys can totally pitch that stealing. Find me in an episode. Let's get cracking. I did want to say into sides. What did did like the fact that Harley was, you know, she still had her hopes and dreams when she was in love with joker. They had that law land sequence of her like with a baby. And I love that fact that like what Tara was saying that she's fully fleshed out. You know, she's not a one dimensional villain. She's a woman that had dreams of her own. She someone that has this love interest. She then like we said moves from a follower to a leader. She is she's a one woman show. Yeah. If he is this where you wanted to do your gush session before you let taraoke. I wanna individually just go down. I'm Debbie and thank you for each individually. Like, you know, been tin already. Yeah. Inspector. What were well? We have two more hours, right? I wanna tell tarot. So we had a Reese Wasser who's a transgender actress in supermodel come on. And she did are my little pony episode. And she was talking about how much your show the new animated show has affected her life. I hear that. It's so yeah. And we went over the history of it and Cutie marks and like just representation, and what it means to people. But that it is. She was really funny. She was like, you know, anytime feeling bad, and I can see a rainbow coming out of a ponies. But it makes me no, no, I meet like the hottest army brownies that like paint pinkie pie on their tanks and sing the songs to get them through crap in Afghanistan. That's why like and they're like hot. I know there's something really magical about that show that people really identify with. And the thing that I love about animation in general. But certainly my little pony is that you can be from anywhere. You're any color. You're any age any background like everybody's friends, and it's just like the inclusiveness of that show teaches such amazing less lessons, which we obviously need today. And and I I love that transgender people like feel like oh my God. I am relating to these characters. I love these shows because nobody is judged in these shows everybody's accepted in love. No matter what even the villains, right? Every pretty much every villain on my little ponies become a good guy. Like, you know. And I just I I don't understand bullying or hatred of any kind. So the fact that I'm in a show that in particular, particularly is inclusive and welcoming of everyone is like, and when I meet these people cons. It's you don't know what this show did for me it saved my life. I was aside alarms. Whatever means the world. To me. Yeah. Meant so dope. And I'm so happy. You could do that. I got one question. Another just random question. Are you able to pull any character people come up and go I love doing this blank character? Are you able to just like okay here? It is my gosh. That's how I know. You wanna ask for one? I don't have one in mind. I was just looking and I was like man what if somebody like came through like Talia in the animal crackers. I actually can do that one. Muraro animal crackers, by the way, is the most beautiful movie ever. And it hasn't come out yet because there's been so problems with the distribution that she talks like these. She's a beautiful girl. And it would be great to see this movie come out so perfect. I was break. Perfect in this movie mergers, meaning general, but okay. Well, was there anything you'd like to plug? Let people now where to find you. You can find me on all my social media at Tara strong. And just I mean, I I have some fun stuff coming up that. I would get fired. If I told you about right? Don't worry on your. Says postponed the only new thing I love people to check out is the new rocking bowl WinCo because it's hard to catch it it's on Amazon prime so people don't know where to find it. But this season in particular. So funny, we have weird Al and all kinds of great guests done. It's a really really funny great show and the new DC girls show that I'm doing with Laura fouls really and to play bat girl and Harley by the way, back to back is so much fun. And you're and Lauren is such a genius. I do think she's the reason pony such a successor. Just right works a different way. So getting to play both those characters. It's funny initially. She said to me, I I have some good news and some bad news. The good news is I want you to be back real great. Because anytime I look at a script and see background my heart's like so happy the bad has can't be Harley. I said why? And she said because I want back girl to live in Harley land, I want bat girl, hyper and crazy. And you know, she has no attention span. And she's all over the place that I'm just worried it's going. To be too close to Harley, and as you know, I had to kind of say I understand. But because I've played so many rations of Harley said do me favor bring me in and we'll do back girl. And then let me do five or six different Harleys beside it and see if we can still pull it off. And so we do the back row we set her voice, which is higher than any backer life done 'cause she's crazy crazy town. And then we start playing around with Harley, and I sort of had this inspiration to make her a little Brittany Murphy ish, and like that kind of clicked in to her. And so they heard that and they're like, okay. No more. We're done your and so to play them both back to back and yet another version of Harley was so fun. So check that show out to in. It's totally different than fun. That sounds so fun and exciting. You know, you know, me is should boy if you want anyway, I f y in w I d I v on Twitter and Instagram if dis on twitch speaking of which after you get that Amazon prime and watch all go through make sure you go ahead and connected to you twitch twitch crime zeldon coming through watch me play video games. And I love it. 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Birds of Prey (2020) | Cathy Yan (aka Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey)

The Qwipster Film Review Podcast

19:48 min | 1 year ago

Birds of Prey (2020) | Cathy Yan (aka Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey)

"Hi Welcome to the film review. podcast my name is Vince Leo. I am the author of the Film Review Website quits dot net. I invite you to check out over. Four thousand of my written reviews have been doing refused since nineteen ninety-six covering all Ariza film all genres. Whatever you are looking for you'll find a lot of that they're at my website? Quips Dot net. Twip T. R. DOT net. While you're there I do encourage heard you to check out my podcast covers films of the nineteen eighties. It's called around the world in eighty movies and included in those are films. was that our superhero movies from the nineteen eighties. The Superman Films Batman. Yeah the swamp thing films all of those DC universe and you can check that out at my website. Quipped Stir Dot net link key W. I p. s. t. e. r. Dot net today. I'm going to be looking at a film. That is part of the DC. The extended universe DC in you and it's the eighth film in that particular series. It is called. Well it's called birds of prey and the fantabulous emancipation the patient of one Harley Quinn. At least that's what it was in the title until it didn't have a good weekend. And then the folks at Warner Brothers decided. Hey Hey a lot of people are not knowing that this is a Harley Quinn film. So let's make Harley Quinn the title of the movie and now in advertisements and other places places online apps and ticketing agencies and what have you it is now called Harley Quinn. Colin Burns prey birds of prey. It's actually an R rated the film which is another with finding traction because a lot of the people who are attracted to Harley Quinn as a character happened to be not quite old enough to see an R redid film and the theater is it does have very strong violence. It has a lot of pervasive language. Some sexual and drug material are also in the film the run time. It's actually the shortest artist. I think of the DC youth fails. It's one hour and forty nine minutes Margot Robbie reprising her role for Harley Quinn and bringing in Ewan McGregor Gregor Rosie Perez Journey. Small Bell. Mary Elizabeth winstead Christmas. LBJ BASCO and Ali Wong Kathy. Yan is the director. Screenplay credited to Christina Hodson now birds of prey or Harley Quinn if you prefer. It's directed by a former reporter for the Wall Street Journal back in detail. Cathy and she is also a filmmaker. She did a film called dead pigs a couple of years ago. It was an acclaimed film. It's still looking for distribution vision in the United States though so not many people here have actually seen that film but she did enough to impress and get the director Oriel. CHAIR FOR BIRDS OF PREY RATE'S A spin off from the commercially successful but very critically maligned. DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE team of villains film called Suicide Squad and it is very much in keeping with the mayhem in the madness that permeated that release birds of prey existed as a property. Long before this film it was most notably in the pages of DC. You see comics. It also was a short lived TV show for the WB back in the years. Two thousand to two thousand three only thirteen episodes were made though. But this take is very much in keeping with the DC extended universe vibe. The colorful antics a music video stylistics the ultra dynamic action sequences. Very much in that mold. Now the idea for Harley Quinn spinoff feature was before she even appeared on the screen in suicide squad it was back in two thousand sixteen and it was mostly mostly due to the popularity of the character as well as of Margot Robbie as an actor. The birds of prey had been slated to appear in this film. She wanted to be an ensemble film and it was also going to serve initially as an introduction of bat girl into the DC EU Margot. Robbie signed on not only to star but that she also used her production company to help develop it and over the next couple of years back girl she was removed from the film's Development to make your own solo film. Jocelyn was slated to script and then he ended up leaving the project after struggling to come up with a workable story and he was replaced in two thousand eighteen with Christina. Hodson hotson eighteen is also scheduled to write the upcoming movie featuring the flash but she is the screenwriter for birds of prey. Here now at the same time Kathy and ended up getting attached to you. Direct this spin off the birds of prey film with Hodson scripting here. BIRDS OF PREY was set to include a part for Barbara Gordon Aka the original back girl but the the studio decided to cut her. Roll out and save it for her later. Solo debut now also within the same pocket universe there's also development for a sequel to suicide site squad. A direct sequel led by Gavin O'Connor and that's set to begin production leader in this year and jared leto. Joker is going to have his own solo spin off as well supposedly. We'll see because the box office did not do so. Well here and that may be a sign of things to come now. Robbie is a producer. Wanted this to to be specifically an R rated film and she really had to fight hard to get that to happen because back in two thousand sixteen. You know R rated films were not quite as Communist says the art today for superheroes and you know the cheat argued that this is a story. That's told from the point of view of Harley Quinn. Her mind would not sanitize her own storytelling storytelling to appease a PG thirteen crowd. So as of course is going to be an R rated story in her mind maybe even more than that but of course. NC Seventeen is is not marketable at all especially for a superhero film now given its parent film. Suicide Squad was rated. PG Thirteen Warner Brothers did have some understandable qualms bombs but when dead Paul for Fox and Marvel was released to huge success. It did give this project and opening to get it done. And that was under the condition that they could keep it a lower budget film. Like about seventy five million dollars it did come in quite a bit ahead of that amount. There's some estimates that range anywhere or between eighty million dollars in one hundred million dollars were spent for the production of this film which kind of is leading to a lot of hot water if they can't recoup that especially finally given that the R. Rating means that it's not going to be playing and big markets like in China for instance. Now they were also looking for a woman to direct this feature because it was going. Would you be a female lead film and of the women that the interview they preferred Kathy. Yan's approach the best. She only had that one drama to her credit but she emphasized a strong color Palette for her direction. She wanted the costumes to be directly reflective of each of the characters personalities. She had some experience. There with ensemble cast because of her previous effort and she had a commitment and a desire to emphasize action. Sequences that minimized gun violence and that was something that was appealing being Harley. She does have a gun in this film. She shoots up a police station. But it's a nonlethal firearms sheets beanbags and smoke bombs and glitter bombs and more than this though. It was a realization that the theme is of personal growth through self confidence breaking barriers in one's own mind much like she is doing in real life because she thought she could direct and she took on this big budget Hollywood superhero flick. And I think lastly women can achieve agree things if they work together instead of tearing each other apart. That's a key element of birds of prey in terms of his team and that extends both to the action on the screen in an behind the production. That's making it. The story line here is told from Harley cleanse point of view she occasionally breaks the fourth wall to reveal to us her thoughts or opinions dance. She's a very unreliable narrator in that respect and that leads to this vary zany overall vibe for the story. He's telling this does pick up with Harley Quinn just following following her dastardly dream boat that joker breaking up with her and she's in the spin out of their toxic relationship it's leaving her in shambles. A new batty though ends up. Emerging this oft unhinged club owner named Romans jaanus whose alter ego is another powerful villain in Gotham city. Known as Black Mask ask and he secured a rare diamond worth so much that with it he could afford to build upon his protection racket operation and become actually the biggest crime kingpin in Gotham city. Nobody's going to be able to touch him with that kind of money. Diamond is stumbled onto and then taken by this pickpocket. Extraordinary named Cassandra Cain. I mean who ends up swallowing it to avoid having to give it up when she's going to be frisked by police and that makes her the most sought after person in the city especially after Roman Roman places a half million dollar bounty on her. All of this ends up leading to Harley forming a ramshackle team of women in the Third Act with grievances with black masks is to finally put an end to his murderous ways. The team includes Hunters Aka Helena. Nellie she's kind of a punisher type. Mafia princess turned vigilante. Who Rides a motorcycle cycle and she shoots crossbow? There's Black Canary AK Dinah Lance a singer in town she has extra powers beyond that leading the case of this investigation is the Gotham some city police department detective Renee Montoya Play by Rosie Perez and newcomer eligible Basco plays Cassandra cain notably in the comic books. CASSANDRA CAIN for a short period of time was bad girl. She's now called orphan in current continuity at the time of this recording. But there was some speculation there that this was the introduction reduction of back girl I think they're going to go in different directions though this. DC You release does represent the first major Hollywood superhero film directed by an Asian American. Eric Woman Yen became attracted to the project because it does have the this complex nature of the personality of Harlequin she has a PhD in psychology with John Emphasis on mental illness yet. She's also mentally ill. She's a sociopath. She happens to have many of those afflictions that she diagnosis in others. especially flee schizophrenia. Her identity in recent years was mostly as the girlfriend of the joker but now that they've broken up. She has to do some reflection she she has a hard time trying to figure out who she is her identity as an individual apart from the joker a female empowerment is the main theme that runs throughout birds of Prey Harley Quinn ends up encountering several other strong young women who have a history of being identified with domineering man but who have to find a way to grow beyond that Harley Quinn says in the film regarding her name you know what a Harlequin is harlequins role is to serve. It's nothing without a master and no one gives to bleeps who we are beyond that and that's really very telling when she realizes that she does not need a male master to have her identity. She proceeds on the road to becoming a master of her own destiny. Destiny and that road is the harder to travel down for many women who feel that they may need a male protector in this dirty world and the women in birds of prey soon realized that they can have greater protection with each other instead of just a man and Harley meets several other women who are challenged with their own anger issues at various things whether they're are feeling overlooked in their profession or their families or they're treated as property of someone with power is very violent world the only way to achieve power is to show so that they can be just as willing to go toe to toe with the other bad. He's out there trying to shut them down. So Yan and her screenwriter Christina Hudson they set up many skirmishes featuring some very well choreographed hand fighting with a variety of mainly weapons crossbows as I mentioned other forms of weaponry. That aren't just guns with the exception of Black Canary. These women really don't have any superpowers to claim. So there's a lot of fighting right there on ground level definitely main emphasis of this brawler of film now to get into the head of Harley Quinn and understand why she would stay in such an an abusive relationship with Joker Margot Robbie did a lot of research trying to look get traits for real life women who stay in terrible relationships with abusive men in particular she found many keys to be found within a play. A Sam Shepard's fulfill love and that helped all of that to click in her mind as to how she really wanted to approach Harley Quinn's personality and her story light here Gotham awesome city itself usually is an entity in Batman feature. It's a bit of a different look. From the typical films that star Batman Batmans features tend to accentuate inch weight blackness. Grimness sunlight is rarely something. That makes an appearance in a Batman. Movie Gotham City as envisioned in this Harley Quinn feature or is more sunny it's vibrant. It's colorful it's a film very much in keeping with where it was. Actually shot in Los Angeles region was shot there to take advantage of new new tax incentives offered for location shooting within California and it's also very ground level in its scope. You know a Batman film usually feels very oppressive. Monolithic architectural designs claustrophobic areas sets and things that he's crawling around in the subways and whatnot. This film is definitely definitely not all about that. It really continues the aesthetic of David Ears. Suicide Squad it has that Punky. CRAYOLA colored style pallet within its makeup. I've been costumes for its anti heroes and that sunny disposition that is kind of incongruous with the very dark and disturbing action on the screen. Now this film does does earn its R rating beyond just letting bombs flow. The violence here is brutal. Harley Quinn employees. Her trademark moves. She smashes bad guys with a mallet or she delivers delivers a broken limb. or two or three here. I lost count somewhere in. Their Roman is a bit gruesome in the message. He wants to send to others. There's a scene where he's he's having a few hostages being hung upside down and then he orders their faces removed with a knife. It's kind of gruesome scene in and of itself. Now those who choose choose to connect with birds of praise underlying feminist message you might find more connection with the material then most others who are probably just choosing to see see this as a film with straight up superhero narrative taken on its own terms. I still think despite its name there is much left to be desired by birds of prey. The humor here is not particularly funny. Personalities of all of these characters lacked depth and the situations the tend to feel like things that we've seen before four in run of the mill gangster films martial arts action flakes and even superhero films as well. It's all very cliche to a certain respect but there are moments comments when it does come alive. I think the best part of birds of prey can be said to have been the best part of suicide squad. Margot Robbie inspired performance as Harley Quinn. I think she's perfect as Harley. Quinn clinch completely insane she lacks moral backbone and yet Margot Robbie finds a way to keep her alluring. She's athletic he's comical. She's vulnerable she's this mix of ditzy Gal who seems like she walked out of a screwball comedy from the nineteen forties but if she were also imbued with a head for psychology allows her to readily. I understand the motivation of just about anyone around her. In ways that even those particular individuals are not even aware you know maybe if we delve more deeply into harlequins psychology psychology much in the way that walking Phoenix was able to do with joker. Maybe that would be a movie. That would be worth following for Harley Quinn but unfortunately for Margot Robbie both of the films in which Harley Quinn is portrayed has her sharing a Lotta springtime with a plethora of characters that are far less interesting unlike suicide. Suicide Squad though which made people wonder how fun it would be if Harley Quinn got her own movie I don't think there are any secondary roles within birds of prey that will have audiences says wishing they could see an offshoot which may not bode well for the bat girl Solo film if they decide to use however slim it may be of a chance. This film version of Cassandra Cain I think the best part of birds of prey as a superhero film comes in the Amusement Park funhouse climax you have the birds of prey acting as a team trying take down the baddies using a variety of weapons and eye-popping techniques through well choreographed martial arts moves. It's very eye popping and appealing and unfortunately really though the prior ninety minutes of screen time do little to give us any vested interest in what's going on during these battles are interested solely in admiring the presentation instead of feeling those individual stakes involved for all of these characters. Now fittingly when what imagine the film itself plays out like Harley. Lee Quinn as a character brash. Violent audacious crazy. But it's also like Harley Quinn on the downside it's thinly defined unfocused and sadistic at times it's important during those times as well and it is very comical in tone without actually being very funny. I laughed at least two dozen dozen times when I watched deadpool in the theater. I didn't so much have even a single chore Dole during the entire run of birds of prey. Even though I recognized there were many any many attempts to be humorous. And I think it's not a good sign for a movie. When I'm walking out of the theater thinking more about getting an egg sandwich like Harley ravenously consumes it within the course of this film then I am thinking about anything else? I witnessed for the prior hundred. Nine minutes runtime so for that. This is a real borderline call for me in terms of whether I want to give it to stars or two and a half stars. It's right there out of four but because of my rule of thumb when it's on the border between two grades I give it the lower of the two grades on a first time watts so to stars is going to be the best. I can give birds of prey for now now. I don't think this is the kind of movie that I will ever come around on. There are certain moments that I do enjoy. Maybe I'll give it a watch again later and see if I do kick it up to that two and a half star rating but I came away very disappointed. I'm a huge Harley Quinn Fan I am a collector of Harlequin merchandise since back in the nineties so I am really into V. Character but but it's really a let down to see what they do. I think they have a great harlequins l. here with Margot Robbie. But she is being squandered with sub-standard material. And I hope they managed to do something more with her. That is much more interesting than what we're seeing here. Joker definitely did a lot of this material and much better and much more memorably. This film is colorful. But I think eventually it's going to be known as the least successful financially DC film. It's not the worst but it definitely definitely is far from the best in that regard so two stars out of four is what I give birds of prey. I'm sure there are many people who have their own thoughts birds of prey. It's GONNA run the complete gamut between czar or stars I think for a Lotta people depending on what they're looking for going into it. If you have your own thoughts that you want to to impart me you can find my contact information. My website that they quit stir dot net key. WIP S. T. E. 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HBO Maxs Sharp Harley Quinn Series Reimagines the Character. Will the New Suicide Squad Follow its Lead?

TIME's Top Stories

07:05 min | 5 months ago

HBO Maxs Sharp Harley Quinn Series Reimagines the Character. Will the New Suicide Squad Follow its Lead?

"HBO maxes Sharp Harley Quinn Series reimagined. The character will the new suicide squad follow its lead by Eliana doctrine? It's not easy to get Harley Quinn right much of the characters identity in television series comics and video games as well as in the twenty sixteen suicide squad movie revolved around her toxic Bo the joker since she first appeared in Batman, the animated series in Nineteen Ninety two, the psychiatrist turned joker sidekick has played a punching bag, a victim of abuse and a sex object to be ogled by her fellow batty's none of these qualifies as a particularly empowering story line and depictions of her have faced even greater scrutiny in the Hashtag meet to era. This year's Harley Quinn spinoff birds of prey. The fantabulous immense patient of Harley Quinn starred and produced by Margot. Robbie, nominally said the character free the film begins with her break up with the joker and sets Harley on a path to forge her own identity in the Gotham criminal underworld. But hardly cycles through all the sexist break-up tropes cutting her hair adopting a pet for company drinking herself into blackouts and big action set pieces largely overshadow any nuanced discussion of her emotional scars. The jobs presence haunts the movie. After birds of prey, it was difficult to envision a future for Harley Quinn that didn't constantly reference her relationship with the joker. Perhaps, the character just carried too much baggage for anyone to do her justice on the big screen and more plans are in the works to try footage of the suicide squad. He soft reboot of Suicide Squad was released during DC fan dome over the weekend hinting at further attempts to evolve the beleaguered anti hero. Those of us who feel invested in her future should hope that director James Gunn takes a hint from a perhaps unlikely source the sharp animated Harley Quinn series the show which debuted on the DC universe platform in twenty nineteen. and has run for two seasons migrated to HBO Mex- This summer allowing new audiences and critics to discover it for the first time, and it offers a masterclass in how to transform a female character with a tricky backstory into a compelling protagonist in her own right. The show doesn't shy away from Harley's passed in the pilot episode. Joker uses Harley voiced by Kaley Cocoa, who also produces the show as a diversion to escape Batman, and let's his girlfriend waste away in prison for a year despite promising to break her out while they're. Harley. Forges a friendship with poison ivy voiced by Lake Bell. Channeling Darius. SARDONIC tone in a genius plotting decision poison ivy is less an. Villain than a superhuman labeled an ECO terrorist for taking extreme measures to try to save the planet. Either virtually proves to Harley that the joker doesn't love her his true love as any DC fan will already know is Batman and Harley begrudgingly crashes on Ivy's vine covered couch. While she figures out her next steps, it's a realistic portrayal of the support group that women need as they try to break free of an abusive relationship and the friendship and eventually possible romantic relationship between the two women becomes the center of the show. Harley, is just as messy as ever. She's a helen determined to either earn a place in or destroy the boys club that is the Legion of doom and plenty of collateral damage in her wake. But no longer playing second fiddle to the joker she gets to put a new spin on the sorts of adventures. Her male counterparts embarked on every week like an ultra violent villainous bachelorette party on wonder woman's Home Island of them Escora and wisely the show acknowledges that hardly as always been a passionate character. In need of a partner in crime, it just swaps out an evil boyfriend for an empowering girlfriend. Harley Quinn appears deeply aware of the tension between the studios efforts to respond to our current moment and present a more feminist character and the small but loud subset of fans who want these fiction women to remain sidekick son love interests and early season. One episode shows Doctor Psycho Getting canceled after he calls wonder woman the C word the show even takes us self. Referential Jab at DC zone fans in a hilarious Meta intro to a season two episode two dudes sitting in their basement sporting the last Jedi is not Canon and release the cinder cut shirts both references to very real problematic phantoms online complain the show is another heavy handed female empowerment story where the true villain is quote unquote the patriarchy adding of harleys ability to fight back against the joker I'm sorry. But cooked is integrate color on the greatest villain of all time. The animated Harley Quinn Series invites its viewers to contemplate and even critique the versions of hardly we've seen before as a new fan of the show it's difficult not to scrutinize the footage of the suicide squad from DC Fan Dome Gun. Guardians of the galaxy is putting his own spin on the franchise and the marketing at least is promoting Robbie's Harley as the lead character. There are some promising signs that warner brothers is evolving the character on the big screen, as well as the small one, the birds of prey version of hardly practical costume change. The suicide squad takes the evolution. A step further harley gets to wear pants rather than just underwear in the new film her heeled sneakers appear to have been replaced by combat boots, her property of the Joker Tattoo from the last film now reads property of no one. Harley Quinn's evolution has been slow whether her new stewards take cues from Warner Brothers own television division though Hbo Max. Has Frustratingly not yet renewed. Harley. Quinn for a third season or from Robbie who is a producer on the forthcoming got them city sirens or from critics who have pushed back against tired tropes. Here's hoping she finally gets her do.

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Who Would Win Harley Quinn vs Black Widow

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1:15:28 hr | 1 year ago

Who Would Win Harley Quinn vs Black Widow

"The job was simple. Get in eliminate the mark and get out the assassin known as black widow stealthily entered the carnival with a single minded minded focus. She easily snuck past. The thugs and guards posted everywhere around the target hiding in the shadows. She patiently waited for a moment to strike to her surprise. Though a voice shot out from the darkness lose something honey black widow turn to see the silhouette of one harley quinn beckoning skinning her from a short distance away. I guess nothing is simple. After all black widow thought as she dropped down to face this new show it's the super spy versus daddy's little monster. It's the queen of the avengers vs pumpkin pie black widow versus clinton today welcome to another episode of who would win a show that completely ignores anything important happening in the world and instead focuses on a fictional battle between two characters memorial comics sci fi and fantasy. I'm your host james scabs and as always i'm joined by my co host race takeda's ray. How're you feeling today. I'm feeling great today james gase. I really enjoy both of these two to characters. This might be the rare occasion. Where if i don't get the victory i would probably i will not be okay with it. That is a lie. I try out the gate. What am i doing right now. This does not bode well. <hes> <hes> both characters though okay but you like harley quinn more. Don't you a lot more okay why we're going to get into it over the course of the battle aren't we. I think i feel like identify a little bit with harley quinn to be to be shunned by society over what one feels inside and to lash out sometimes maybe even inappropriately when when the moment arises you feel showering would have maybe prevented you being shunned as much from decided. I'll get to twenty eventually. Okay twenty showers like your entire life. I made it'll happen at some point. I promise it will happen at some point okay. I'm gonna hold you to that breath so long by the way okay ray. I gotta tell you something. This is actually a very very special episode episode. We have whom i consider animation royalty on this episode. This is kind of incredible. It's it's someone who has influenced animation and i happened to see her panel that she was on comecon last year and they had a lineup for it and then they had to make another lineup for it. They had to have two lineups because so many people want to do it all right here we go. We have what everyone should consider to be. Animation geek culture culture royalty on our show from the nineties classic iconic groundbreaking x. men the animated series we have one of his creators and writers overall amazing awesome person julia liberal julia. How are you doing today royalty now that i'm all this you know hey. I'm going to use the royalty because if you weren't going to. I was going to add it in. I mean this is absolutely how both of us feel about this. I'm shaking a little bit with excitement to be able to bring our brand of nonsense into esteemed viewpoint such as your own. I was about to say our brand is definitely enhanced with having juliane the show julia your brand may not be so enhanced but we will try our best. We appreciate you slumming it. That's who affect an accident here pinky out that now julia. I've got a really important question so many people on our social media channels channels or what have you been asking. I'm actually when you look at ray. Stu canes and you know you. You know all things mutant. What kind of mutant would he be. I mean he's already a mutant right now considered answered by many but like what kind of mutant within the x. men world would he be what would powers be. Well look like you know. Let me ask let me ask with an answer with another question here. Then eh one of the things that i felt compelling about the x men characters originally anyway that each one had like coolest power but if you've dug a little deeper those powers that mutation asian was also the biggest hook or flaw for that character like a row. She had the coolest powers but she couldn't touch anyone whereas if wolverine had that power he'd be happy he he doesn't have to touch anyone anyway. That would not bother him at all so you're saying raise power of mutations that no one wants to touch them. No what i'm suggesting is what would would be you know whatever his greatest weaknesses or would turn that into a fantastic mutation and therefore you are incredibly powerful but have that internal inks going on and thank you obviously i'm a super genius so it would start with a obviously a great sense of self and intelligence of perhaps my greatest trait would be be my passion and my energy which could be absolutely turned against me as perhaps my mutant ability is a high for very short period of time i could do very high level things things but then i would crash immediately afterwards and then be no good to anybody. Would that be scatter man. I'm just trying to think laser like focus a brief period of time. If you say scatter man then the answer is yes says isn't who you are. That's exactly why we're gonna fight it. I hate to ask ask ask me. Who would i be what would i do. What do you think well you know. Let let us turn the tables on you then and ask you the same question. What would you what is something that you might consider that are either. The thing you love the thing you hate the most and then how can we turn that into superpower in torture you forever. You know i know sounds cliche but i think my biggest weakness is. I just care so much. Ooh i'm getting. I don't care at all. I don't care. I'm going to say you can keep this lineup. As long as you want to talk at all i mean i think my biggest strength is. The fact that i'm awesome and i think my biggest weakness is that sometimes people don't see that i'm awesome. Oh and then i'm canadian. I have many similar qualities as wolverine and it will do see being canadian as a weakness then i'm not sure followed it depends we ask you to candidate. Not the greatest drink ever. You go everywhere else like hey. What do canadians do again with that. Make you <hes> dead verena or i am kareem like it on and done okay all right dead breen here all right. I think i want to say for the record now. We have to do a future who would win. Battle that you judge alleged called scatter man versus denver rain. I love it on now before we go any further. I have to ask because i had this amazing book with the right now so so good it is so incredible. There's so many things i love about. It is previously on x. Men the making an animated series jillian eric wallace did this. I mean it's a great great read. That really reveals a lot about the making of the series but with my favorite part is actually how you were pitching it and all the aspects of hollywood. You had to work through tesla. What about this book and why people which is pretty much. Everyone the whole world who loves the island series should read this well. Thank you so much for that. <hes> let me sort of set the stage age <hes> going back to nineteen ninety two when when x. men with i the gleam in the eyes of the folks at fox kids <hes> and then again five years ago a in the time collapse since one thousand nine hundred two to five years ago other shows were getting all kinds of love and all kinds of heinous daljit looking at that again but <hes> s it happened in ninety two <hes> marble had been selling off things bit by bit piece by piece and didn't at the stage wholly owned basically anything and we're i think at that moment were also killing the x men in the comic books with with and they had no interest in looking back at the show or supporting anything about the show and by dumb luck we'd had space garage when this was happening the show and just put every story board every script every note eric forgotten because he was the show runner at the show and we had that all up there and i was thing eric. If you don't write a book about this it's never going to get written and it's going to get lost in time because again. The there was has no company there was no support from you know major <hes> any major players so i was poking at him <hes> one of the writers than x. men and got to be a fly on the wall for five five years. The show eric was what the term you used a story editor show runner and his name's on every episode is developed for tv by so that so he he he was on the show and i guess i just nagged him enough that they said okay and spent a couple of years doing the research of interviewing voice talent interviewing the <hes> animators and the writers and also the fox kids executives because <hes> there's a generation. That's coming up now. That doesn't know it saturday morning in a bowl of theory unbelievable thing anymore it's not it's not a thing anymore and i think the the shows like x. Men and batman the animated series that era that magic golden era may the last time that a group generation grew up together with things they didn't even realize they're all watching at the same time and can and cannot connect about that. You know we were in my my family. We love watching different types of animated shows and what have you because we're awesome and we were watching one punch man hulu and they were for the second season and they releasing each episode once a week and it was so frustrating. Remember talking my son. He's like why would they do. This and i'm like back in my day. This is how it was done you you didn't know when the and by the way they would only have like maybe so many episodes. You'd have to rewatch all the time but with that being said. There's this quality of this. What is it linear programming where you i had to wait for the show to come out and one of my favorite parts about x. Men were the bumpers saturday on exponentially on and then so you just created read this incredible magic they talking about the x. Men series specifically well and one thing. I'm just going to toss out there. <hes> as we start having this conversation <hes> the books called previously asleep on x. men because basically that was the hook for the episodes <hes> to catch up viewers who might missed an episode or two or set the stage for folks are about right to join the episode and fighting for that having that sort of serialized storytelling on a kids animated program was a huge battle and given that that <hes> the show was not anticipated to succeed. They did not expect it to margaret less to her credit. The president of fox kids have been pushing for an x. Men project for years because she had worked at marvel couldn't give the show away finally get step oxford's. She's in charge is willing to put her job on the line for this. That only knows. I have thirteen episodes. That's it so those of us on the <hes> on the creative side writers the artist <hes> we were only signed up for thirteen episodes and before the show even ended up that being on the air but with the lag time with animation we'd all been let go okay so works and other things <hes> and that's how eric ended ended up working with brothers mark and michael edens in creating <hes> exit squad which was amazing amazing series doing that then dan where lohan fox relies the ratings were the way they were and started reaching out to folks saying hey. We need a season two. It's like there were no contracts attracts there were there was nothing oh really <hes> yeah okay and everyone who worked on the show who was available loved the experience so much we all wanted to come back but the <hes> previous next men thing was you can't tell serialized stories on saturday morning or on the weekend and the weekdays kids are not gonna be able to follow what they're not going to know what's going on and and there's a gal editor gal editor named sharon janice who deserves all the credit in the world for realizing and pitching it the powers that be if you let me cut together fifteen to twenty seconds of previously on then in setting up the stage and getting everyone up speed. That's fifteen to twenty seconds of animation you. You don't have to create new. I'll use the old stuff for clips and that way you'll save some money so i'm telling you the things that we were up again being the things that actually you know were helpful. That's amazing there. You go so previously on x. Men well previously james gatti's life. I actually made a huge mistake. Ooh yeah so just one james two two. I'm right here. It'd be a good co host <hes> but the first mistake i'm the bigger mistake i'm referring to is. This book i bought right now previously unexplained one of my i prized possessions. I don't even let my eight year old twins touch it because they can't that there's some nice things sometimes and i had eric sign it but you had at wonder con a couple years. Go you had so many people at your booth and i'm like i don't wanna take up your time and i want to take one home. Of course i got a million questions. My mistake was i didn't have you sign it would usually with the honor and consign absolutely james. I'll sign up for you if you could find this restraining order to stay away from me yeah that'd be great and you're talking about all know and you can use that pen right. Whatever look let let's see what our pen options are. That's nice. James aka is pleasing now. This book is probably the most expensive thing in my house us including the house itself but i will say this because you've done the convention circuits and what have you <music> how impactful the the x men animated show was to so many people and i know that you understand that you know you get touched by this every three days and i was going to be one more faceless masses of the people just to tell you. I was obsessed with this show. When i was a kid i've watched other other podcasts at least a half dozen. Maybe just under half dozen x men animated series episodes and we talk about cartoons on my other show <hes> knowing the podcast quick to plug and in and every single time you know we prefer to watch bad shows so we can have a laugh and have a good time a- how silly were the eighties and nineties cartoons and then often we get requests to be like. Can you do this episode of x. Expert can do this episode x. men and every time we're a little bit like i don't know because they're bluffing good whenever anything to work with it being like yeah that was good a to us one of the lines from a pokka lord lord occur because a lot of anime and jujitsu and all that inspiring and teach teach bunch of classes and there was this one person sparring with just being a little bit of a jerk and i had to calm them down and so on a position and he started talking. He's like i don't know how to deal with this. I i can't get out of it. Like why are you. You're better than me and then i use the line. I am so far above you. You weren't to them human. That's correct and i use that line. He didn't come back so i lost students to use the line and that's all that matters worth totally worth every second apartment mini side story that's in the book but just to sort of keep us all in the we are fans and we all love the things we love because we are all fans <hes> go back in the way back machine nineteen eighties eighties early nineties when eric and i first met each other <hes> and there was no internet when fire fell from the sky so more time before time if if you were in do something you you kinda had to do it yourself and do it yourself and when we met out in los angeles each of us at that point was like our own card-carrying hiring original star trek fan. I was a fan girly with the fan boy. He went to a convention when he was like seventeen. I went to one in texas when i was sixteen. It's like oh you think you're a star trek fan what we found out after the fact which unfortunately <hes> the voice talent had passed before eric started the book and the voice talent was up in toronto. We never once got to meet meet them. We never during the course of the show. We never got to meet them because they were all up. There and we're all in los angeles. What we found out the voice of apocalypse the great actor jon cocoas okay who's he well we found out he first appeared as very i cling on the very first episode to star trek and while we hadn't made that connection now. I'm not trying to sway you but you're trekkie right. Oh yeah okay so you know who my third or fourth cousin is do that sorry for montreal from ottawa william shatner. You're related i am. We've never met a very tenuous like it's not like. They have a relationship asian ship with each other. It is just out and then the relationship kind of never happened but yeah it's true. I was trying to sway you kind of want to come back against that but i would say in my family. I am related to many star trek fans us. Oh i believe myself although he can't afford national fan house but anyway that's a different thing all right so this has been fantastic. It is about that time for this battle by the way ray. Please do us the honors and announced today's matchup representing the marvel universe the avenger who can't wait to spy 'cause she's always russian into it black widow aw and representing the d._c. Universe the woman so twisted she can unwrap a tornado harley quinn well-done ray now before we go any further. Let's go over the official rules of who would win. Match lease alright here. We go now ruled them. One each debater. We'll be able to make three points. We'll number two the who would win matches a random encounter in a neutral location with neither combatant necessarily knowing anything about their opponent or having any i any time to prepare for it will number three. The exact version of the character has to be specifically glee stated so right which birds are probably using. I thought really really deep about this and thought about using the harlequin from batman the animated series the other show besides x men animated. It's series of people refer to as the two greatest animated shows of all time of sorry to tell you this. It's the truth. Hey it remains it's amazing but but i know for a fact that you're using the comic book marvel version of. I don't even know this but i know this that that's the character using so i will. I have to wrap my level of a little bit by taking harlequin from the d._c. Comics universe. You're completely wrong. I'm using the black widow version from the comic book universe. Okay okay. Thank you nailed it. I'm not happy right. Okay rule number four the winner of the who'd win debate is whomever the judge decides has the best ability to incapacitate their opponent to the degree where they can safely walk away with no further threat being present this includes completely destroying their opponent removing them from the field of battle restrain them or knocking them out the who battles are not necessarily death matches okay right. There's a lot of different ways. You can win this now. The judge can disallow buta point made by one of the debaters if they feel it goes outside the scope of the battle or is irrelevant to the fight and blast role rule number six each debater must use examples of powers abilities or weapons that are a part of the specific characters continuity or at least is with the character for a good deal of time went off examples of powers or abilities that we use only ones in the industry will not be allowed and now lets the taylor tape or both combatants. Today's today's tell the tape is brought to you by who had won t shirts accept limitations find the official who'd win shirt on amazon bipin hashtag who would win and ray. Please give us the details on harley quinn dr carleen quinn's. L. is a psychiatrist who first appeared on batman. The animated series in one thousand nine hundred ninety two she was created by paul dini and bruce timm him as a sidekick slash romantic interest for the joker carleen was originally jokers shrink at arkham asylum but got manipulated by him and became the villain known as harley early quin harleys original version had no superpowers other than her genius intelligence as well as deep insanity that was always there bubbling under the surface however later versions of harley have granted her super strength agility hypersonic speed believe it or not as well as immunity to poisons and low level healing factor harley. Harley is often known to use a giant oversized mallet in combat as well as all manner of firearms and improvised weapons. Whatever happens to be around at the moment fun fact in an often forgotten side story harley quinn and poison. Ivy teamed up as a musical folk duo produced by world famous music producer lex luther yes in elsewhere eighty page giant an anthology collection from nineteen ninety nine. This story happened under the name rocky mentor entry which was a tongue in cheek behind the scenes history of this fictional world much in the vein of this is spinal tap. It's an amazing story and that is harlequin very cool all right. Here's the details for black widow. Now black widow was created by the team of stanley don rico and don heck and first appeared tales of suspense issue number fifty two back in nineteen sixty four now born natalia romanova one thousand nine hundred ninety eight black widow parents die in a house fire when she was a child during the attack on stalingrad kalingrad she was saved by a soviet soldier named ivan taken to an orphanage for young girls where shoes inducted into the red room where she got training as an assassin and was also biologically basically enhanced natasha eventually graduate from the red room and did a large number missions for the u._s._s._r. Eventually she was sent the united states to take down iron man seen the error of her ways. She later defected the united in states became an agent of shield as well as a member of the avengers on top of being expert tactician leader black widows a master combatant while also possessing a gifted intellect black black widow has split on candy if any psychological manipulation and can master real emotions perfectly like steve rogers she possesses the ability to quickly process multiple information streams such just threat assessment mm-hmm and rapidly respond to changing tackle situations. She is a bad ass absolutely and here's an interesting fact about black widow. Did you know that she wasn't the actual. First black widow in comics comics is true. The first blackwood appeared in her own comic. In nineteen forty in this version black widows alter ego was named this brilliant claire buoyant as yeah i know right at hurts me does and when she would touch her victims on the forehead she will leave a black widow mark. That's a pretty cool power right not really owe her hours after touch them she would send their souls to help so that was the other thing. Is you know hey i can touchingly permanent kind of tattoo on your forehead answering your the help i touch it anyway so kind of a cool power set and now you have the facts on both opponents jewish. Do you have any questions before we get started. Just for clarification here when we say blackwood is biologically typically enhanced. Do we know the extent of that enhancement. Yes i will. That's one of his points calling it. Okay 'cause i can guarantee you. I have a question ray. You said harlequin superpowers yes yeah what are the superpowers. Will we get into that in my points as well okay. Okay okay just remember. You're the judge powerless. I have the power. That's the point here people but okay okay all right there you go okay good with having said ray hit us with point number one point number one. I'm going to bring up this certain powers and abilities of harley quinn because we start off with a character actor who is a brilliant. She's a genius level intellect and i and i'm sure black widow is very smart as well but would she have the ability to be a doctor. I don't know about all all that but harley in queens l. or quinn. I never know how to pronounce that but she is a psychiatrist. Slash psychologist never never exactly sure because it seems to vary depending pending on which store to go read so she gets herself into arkham asylum as a top level shrink because you're not just going to put some base level buffoon foon in to arkham frigging asylum or the craziest of the crazy are going to be this is where you'd house you know the joker and the riddler in to face at all of these horribly horribly broken characters and they did that with her because they firmly believed that she is the type of person with her great smarts and great training and great knowledge to who could maybe bring them back to a level of society where they can be impactful in a positive way now they were wrong first and foremost light miscalculation but absolutely but her whole deal is that she starts out by being wicked smart and much smarter than most people that she's going to encounter. She also black widow does a lot of this the same anything. These are two again. We just did swamp thing. Versus captain planet not that long ago and these characters were very similar. I think these characters are also very very similar as well <hes> in just what they can do. She's a master acrobat. She has a little bit of a strength tour in that. It's not so much that you can bench press a car or anything like that but it's more of combat strength it's more in that her great knowledge of science and medicine and what have you has allowed her to understand the human body and how you can hurt it like any other doctor. You don't wanna fight a doctor in a battle. 'cause they're going to know exactly the spot to polka to make suddenly your your face. Stop working and that's just no fun for anybody at all. Not not only that is she smart enough to be may not run but be the essential member of the suicide squad team so she has leadership. She has a lot of character ability for that now again. I don't necessarily want to say she was the leader but she was definitely one of the biggest presences on that team the as they were forced to do the heroic things that they needed to do but it's just important to know that she doesn't lose her mind. Within a situation that's may be completely out of her control which is exactly the place and direction. I think black widow wants to go. We'll all others are losing their stuff. She keeps hers together. Another thing that both characters are in black widow. Due to high levels is get the other person to underestimate them and you've seen it in even in the avengers movie as the example i think of is when black widows talked with loki and she starts getting all emotional and crying to get lucky to give her the thing that she wants harley quinn just pretends to not be dangerous. She pretends to be this this little you know i'll look at me. How ridiculous am i and then she finds this magic giant hammer out of nowhere maybe not magic but it feels like it sometimes chris he pulls it out of nowhere and we'll whack him in the head with it and she has used that approach to defeat. I will get into it in a later point because i have a lot of them here. She is defeated most everyone in the dc universe at one point or another and the d._c. Universe being very very very very powerful universe in and of itself. The only other thing that i would like to mention in here is that she i mentioned the acrobatics before she's a great fighter through her training with the joker she has been able to take her combat prowess to a high level <hes> and it's the unpredictability of the entire thing as well. Black widows trained a certain way to fight a certain way to do the things that have to be done. There's a certain militaristic f._b._i. Combat combat training that jason bourne combat style that would probably refer to it as where you just find a way to win in the moment especially if usually black widow is the less powerful of the two characters harley quinn does the exact same thing except she brings a level of unpredictability to the table because you just don't know what's going through her head at any given moment she you can't possibly know that there's a giant mallet hiding behind the chimney that she's going to turn and whip you with so it's the the the very much the the acrobatics the great combat prowls the high intelligence as well as the wild unpredictability ability all of that wraps up in a circle and that is my point number one all right before everybody any of that <hes> julia do you have any say all right as <music> as the the the ruler and chief here question ray harlequin. Yes psychiatrists psychologists but doctor dr all right. This is where this is where i'm bringing my own baggage to the event here and that's what we have you here for ray. Does it every episode. Please built for all right so i'm a i'm. Perhaps the oldest person in this room. I point that out so focus. The new standard is gonna be a big deal but my dear sainted late. Mother was a board certified psychiatrist she was she was one of two women in her medical school class last back before firing from the sky. The other person was her twin sister. So there is some weird wa harley quinn by the way had twin daughters in the animated series reese all right so good mary ann anyway both married people named batman guessing just guessing but so when bringing harlequin to the table we'll just having been raised by doctors myself. Is there an ethical question here. There is not wait a minute. I thought i was in charge of the road. That's right. I mean you could decide. There is but i would say definitively. She will cheat to win. She will hurt people. She will kill people she will. She's been twisted by the joker right right shows that exists on a certain level at a certain point in her life but when she became a villain and later a hero and anti hero. She's kind of dawn. All sides of the fence is on the hero equation asian but when the joker gets into your mind and infects her <hes> being the way that he does and the way that he has all of that you know a good things for humanity side of her drift away. Okay it is it is very homicide. I agree with that. I think what it is like. The jokers influence is not there and by the way she's kind of broken broken up with the joker for a while back back and forth back and forth right but if there's terrible relationship she's got a sentence. She's got her moral code. That's it now for example like hurting kids. You know that kind of stuff. She wouldn't do everything could but but became too like hey. I'm going to smack that around in. It's kind of morally questionable if i do that because he's already kind of knocked out yeah i'll still hit them and even that if it was for the joker she might even do some of the other stuff to their egging on or he asked her to do something she would be very morally. Gray in some of these areas all right there you go there. I go okay if i may. I have a point you know her. Intelligence is very high her her expertise in the area of psychiatry for example. I'd say his also very high but my whole thing is black widows been trained in this since the early thirties you know by hardcore people who are really trying to you know that was russia who is trying to help her like overtake. The united states her level of mastery over psychological. Logical manipulation and interrogation is at a much different level than harley quinn's and it's not to put down. Hardly that's like i do. I believe one hundred percent because because there's a difference between manipulating someone and getting someone to do what you do and finding out information and doing that to the highest level people with high stakes six verses were harlequin does which is figure someone out and kind of talked with like because like how many super heroes or people that she come up with who know how to deal with her psychological actual tactics very few right but that's something black widow is kind of trained to do is to take on those people that have those mental blocks or mental defenses. We're have that mental capability to see through that so that's my only point. I'm going to kind of make that i think when it comes to the mental manipulation i do believe it was on a different level than harley quinn. I think aren't they crazy yeah. I'll do more messed up things but i think black widow as a higher level of proficiency. I see them as equals. I'm not going to sit here and say that i think harley quinn is so much more as far as the manipulation and mind games but harlequins entire game as it were is like fifty percent manipulation in mind games and i feel that they are on a level with each other so i would disagree. I agree with that but that's a fine point to make on. Your part is a fine point to make them my part thank you you're allowed. I appreciate that is i'm going to go with my point number one. I'm going to call pure physicality for black widow. Kay harlequin is a great gymnast. She's got some enhanced strength and hence beedon enhanced agility never mind her great intelligence. Black widow has all of that as well but a whole lot more. Let's just talk about you know because it's a big gap gap between the two. Let's talk about fighting ability now. Harley quinn has her again. I've used this before she kinda have has her own. Martial arts biting style. It's so unconventional but there's definitely definitely a method to our madness and she knows how to fight it. A very high level black widow is more of the i have trained and everything and mastered everything and now i'm awesome cement everything. I don't need unconventional style. Because everything is my style so in terms of fighting billy she's mastered to jitsu akito boxing judo karate savant in jitsu various congruent campo as well as the rush martial arts style of sombo and combat sambas a lot like modern day mixed martial arts. If you really kind of go go there <hes> she's also an expert marsh woman with hawkeye level actors the hawkeye being offered the archer and blackboard was also a world class athlete gymnast acrobat aerialist capable of numerous complex maneuvers like she's way above olympic gymnast and i think that's maybe that's comparable harley quinn with her enhancements as well. <hes> now black widows physical enhancements in power. They're also kind of impressive sub. She was given a variation of the super soldier. Serum variation those same on the captain america and the treatment gives her you know not just enhanced strength but it allows you to like opera uh-huh peak level conditions so her stamina is also at a peak level which means she can fight at a high level for a long long period of time <hes> her immune system has also oh been enhanced which means she's barely age over the years marriage was born in nineteen twenty eight right and she's now <hes> got enhanced durability. She's got accelerated. Healing healing healing <hes> she's jillette durability is enabled her to survive direct blast from doctor doom. She's been able to fall from great heights and take on wounds types and walk away from them and here's a cool one. The white blood cells in our body are now enhanced. This is kind of an official marvel thing so she can fight off any microbe foreign body ready or poisons in her body and that also gives her the benefit of keeping <hes> you know healthy immune to almost any type of infection disease gases disorders anything foreign that comes in her system. She's good to go finally just like steve rogers. Black widow possesses the ability to quickly ever talked about it. She can process information much much faster than a regular human being which which means she's almost felt like a biological tactical computer in her mind that enables her to kind of see a direction goes something else implied came in. She is a living breathing tactical genius that can operate in think at a much higher level than the average human being reminded very intelligent human being <hes> so with all her enhancements super soldiers here or training remember. Her training was from russia sure right hardcore. Try to try to take down the united states. I really think comes fiscal staff and finding ability black widow also is vastly superior to <hes> harlequin. She's a great character. No doubt i do have a few rebuttal points unless you have something you'd like to ask. I don't please jump right yeah. I would love to henry derived. You know happens. It is the ratio welcome ladies and gentlemen but go ahead and it's always been the ratio. Would i would say a first off. She got that great. Russian training didn't help them in the cold war and he did it. He saw the berlin wall fell in nineteen eighty nine. She didn't do anything about that. Training is not as good as you're trying to pretend that it is. I'm trying to say right there the other thing. Is you know you bring up the super soldier sir. Is that exactly. Don't let's not conflict with captain america because captain america would defeat her constantly over and over again. I think so except i may show some evidence the contras that's fine. I have my own examples later. As well of some great fights that you wouldn't think harley quinn would win but she did because i think again i think these two characters a lot in common and an appointment my point number two is actually piggyback back of your point number one which is crazy. The only thing i would say is a genius level tactician on the battlefield sure you know i'm fine with all of that enhanced super mm per soldier sort of super soldier light serum. It's not going to pretend that she is some sort of like super enhanced. You know a being out there. He's i agree with that. She's not superhuman superhuman. She's not even borderlines captain america rush. She's like say she's regular strength. She's actually probably three times as strong as app but that's not superhuman exactly what i would say as as far as the avengers go in and there's a lot of them and there's a lot of very powerful ones we would rank her towards the bottom as far as combat abilities of the avengers as far as the ability to take down connects y and z enemy. I mean she's not going to stand up to four and take him out or iron man or any of these guys up. I will show proof to the contrary. I bet you'll try i will but that's basically missile. God i mean these are some excellent points and my point number two like i say it's going to piggyback to show how these very very similar characters so <hes> unless our judge anything they like to add no no please continue i would like to go into point number two and i'm gonna talk about the superpowers of one harley quinn because harley quinn is originally imagined as i said in the intro no superpowers she was just a very smart person who got warped twisted mentally on the inside by the joker however wants the that got out of the animated series and started working. Its way into the comic books. They decided they wanted to do more with with the character who was very popular and i have a feeling the writers really really liked writing for her because she's super super fun and crazy uh she's best friends with occurring poison ivy and poison ivy being another batman villain who has the power over plant life as well as immunity to all kinds of things poisons oysters and toxins and what have you and poison ivy basically after befriending harley quinn said i want to help you become a more enhanced version of you so are a poison. Ivy started concocting potions and doing all the sort of dna altering kind of stuff to harley quinn to turn her into a powerful character. Perhaps perhaps if not greater than what you've described with black widow. She just like black widow immunity to all poisons as a direct result. She's got a pretty gosh darn good healing factor an example of which is one time. I'm in the comics. She was shot in the shoulder and that enough like she couldn't. She didn't have wolverines. You can't push the bullet out but a doctor came in pulled the bullet out with a pair of forceps and then wound healed itself right there which is not something. I'm necessarily seen black widow do comics movies or otherwise the healing factors. It's weird because i can't say it's low level because it happened so fast but it's not like a perfect healing factor. She does have to have the bullet removed before that will even work. She's also and it's and it's been it's been described a <hes> through some of the fighting that she's got super speed the flash or quicksilver any of these guys but i think it's more of like a combat agility combat speed because she's able to hit the people who are very very fast and she. Maybe it's also the unpredictability in there and we'll get into that a little bit later even more so than already done but she's fast. I would argue argue. That black widow is fast. Harley quinn. I think is just a hair faster and given that harley quinn fought people who have had that intensive combat training. I don't know how many like crazy unpredictable styles james. I'm sure we'll fill this in in his point number two. If i'm if i know the way james thinks in just a moment but i don't think that she has as much experience fighting against wildly unpredictable character as much so as harley quinn would have fighting against a batman or somebody also this extreme ninja type training so i think that she would maybe have seen some of this fighting style before and the fact that she's dealing with somebody who is a little bit weaker than her normal opponent works to her advantage as far as just knowledge experiences would go. That's basically all. I have for my point number two. She's got she's got enhanced. Strength due to the serums for poison ivy the enhanced speed agility healing factor immunity to poisons all that good stuff. That's harley quinn equal if not a little bit better than black widow. That's my point number two. What do you say about them well. I'm rolling over my head here the concept step that sometimes if you if you have a resercher comes out someone who is highly trained in something you know a beserk or who wouldn't necessarily know the the the fighting style could still perhaps get a shot or two in but also the person who's got the the training in in theory would would win that but it's it's an interesting. I'm hearing that that harley quinn has got all this skill set that she's acquired. I'm just thinking that black widow book back her training. It's an interesting challenge both have value and i would say james you can back me up here. There's actually an interesting emmy fight that i watched on the internet not very long ago. The two it was a knockout in five seconds and maybe you can fill in some details here because the two fighters both well-trained what have you we're going after each other but the one fighter who won essentially just just straight through his body at the other person with his knees just out in the air and caught him right in the head and knocked him unconscious in five seconds now is the ben aspirin knew you know i'm a nerd when it comes to fighting and great comic books predetermination here's to the point is if you can do something wildly unpredictable. You could end to fight just like that with the element of surprise so okay. What if i may there's something called a punchers chance okay so in so for example when you do like submission fighting. We're doing like jokes and walks and all that kind of stuff. You're not going to have someone through a lucky armlock. That's not gonna happen but if you're talking or kickboxing there could be a lucky punch thrown u._s. Called punchers chance where someone who doesn't have the skill set or anything else still is at one percent chance of possibly succeeding. That's how i see harley quinn with against black widow punchers chance absolutely i'm just saying and the reason why is because they don't talk about this later black also taking out some insane super powerful so <hes> opponents as well through her skill you know when it comes to skill and especially in comic books and intermission you take someone who has all of that skill in that physicality that magnifies fighting ability a lot more than someone who's like. I've got a crazy style that kind of works in so unpredictable it an unpredictable style has been proven to work really really well against people who may not have the greatest training who may be good fighters but against someone who's really really well trained unpredictability is not advantage whatsoever now. I'm not saying that's what's going to be the advantage here but i'm telling you that's when it comes to like hey this person's had literally almost one hundred years or at least eight years worth of training by the cr- and tons of money into our training versus. Hey she's got a crazy unpredictable fighting style. I'm gonna lean towards the person who's had the hardcore training. Where if she doesn't win. She gets killed or dies right by her trainer's. Not even like out in battle you can argue that's also true about harlequin because she was trained by the joker who is a very very very good fighter in his own regards and he is and he would have trained her much in the same way and again very very similar characters. The way black widow would be chained trained through a little bit of russian cruelty. Not let's face it joker cruelty. I think out trump's russian cruelty any day of the week joker training though is if you don't survive. I kill you any like if you don't win. I kill you anyway but but it's not necessarily like thrive sound like she's received training like jokers like all right. Here's joker fu white belt lesson number one years. You know it's been more like school of hard august. Okay great. You got knocked up but you robbed the bank fantastic lesson number two so it's been anyway. We're on the same page. Let go of my point to where everything gets separated. Okay okay here's jalen. You're wrong but keep going okay. We'll see about that so point number. Two talking about tech and weaponry here we go so black widow carries a lot of standard weaponry and tech a lot of it similar somebody batman like captain america light but there's some good offensive weaponry. She has and defense weaponry now when you take someone who's like why does batman wise batman. I'm an able to beat. Superhuman level. People is because shirts training but also is tech kind of gives him superhuman levels of capability of both offensively offensively and defensively and that's also the case for black widow okay of course she always prepared for battle and has all these different technical things. You can do both kind of breakdown everything she's got show. Her black bodysuit is composed of kevlar like substance created for maximum protection. She's also quit with two bracelets on each wrist that fire thing it's called the widows bite which is a high frequency the electrostatic bolt with a range of twenty feet that discharges up to thirty thousand bolts and that's able to stop superhuman opponents in fact her widow's bite that whole bolt took took out cats in america wonder man who's a superhero superman class character and even hurt the hulk okay. She's got that with her all the time. These these braces oddly enough also actors radio transmitters but they also contain tear gas cartridges that a black widow can fire and deploy the fingers and feet are causing them have microscopic like suction cups somehow lower to stick like a regular building surface and all that works and if that was her belt contains discs that she can throw that and she's really accurate. She's got a high level. Accuracy and each disc has the explosive power of. I think it was four pounds of t._n._t. Right so with her uniform and her weaponry and she uses it all the time black doc widows is kind of even more durable than already her gerbil sell for the super soldier serum light and more offensively capable taking stronger and much more powerful opponents all wellbeing take superhuman levels of punishment and that's again on top of her enhanced physicality and fighting skills which we kind of also think are above harlequins dass my point number two is that her attack and weaponry give her a huge advantage over someone who doesn't have that. I mean if you're going to try to argue right now that she has a batman level a amount of gadgetry and what have you i would say no. I don't think that's something that she relies on a lot. That's not something that she <hes> that she's she's not known for her gadgetry. She's known for her. Martial arts and her ability ready to get people to not take her serious. She's not known for black people with her widow's by okay. She might be known for that. She's not known for throwing discs like exploding people. I'll be honest the disks thing. I won't won't pretend that i've read as much black widow as you have but in all of my research for this didn't encounter a whole lot of disc which includes not a lot of reading a black okay. Thank you thank you bring up all right. What do you think and again. I'm perhaps the oldest person in the room so going and looking back. One of the great lines in the batman series of film was in. Where does he get his wonderful toy but that raises the question does <hes> black widow have access to those kinds of wonderful toys. That okay joker was pining for those toys. Has he overtime himself. Come up with those toys to then give harley quinn. There is a question and the widow's bite fight that that's the thing that she's is going to be known to have we do talk about a random encounter in the things that that character is known to bring to the table and stuff she would have on her. I would think she would use it a heck of a lot more than i would have seen it with all the non reading you did a black. Thank you sir but also the other thing that some of these weapons. I don't think would really have any effect tear gas for example apple. I mean harlequins immune to all the poisons and all of the toxicology so any of these like poison based weapons what have you they're just not going to do anything and if black widow not knowing this character of harlequin quinn if harley quinn could pretend that they're affecting her and i absolutely think that's the thing she would do just to create that weak spot where she can then strike against black widow in a very very rough way okay i. I and i'm gonna bring up a really weird point. Only my background has unfortunately naval me to know this so with tear-gas. It doesn't work like poison or like so what it does is. It affects especially sleeping caps. Can i think is like our pepper-based tear-gas. It affects the mucous membranes so what happens. Is you take it in again. Don't ask me how i know you take it in and then all of a sudden you can't breathe you get teary eyed. You know mucus is coming out of your nose like crazy. It's crazy. It's not like a poison so you're saying saying listen. If if you i mean i guess i would just ask the question like a say. I'll be with you. Do you think that would affect poison ivy. If you chuck a tear-gas thing at poison ivy to me the answer would be clearly we know and so therefore it should not affect harley quinn as well for the sake of the battle. I'll i'll take to your gas out of the equation but why not why not right because i don't know there's a good chance you're actually right. I there's a good chance it wouldn't affect and help but also i could see if she tries to rely on the tear gas that could actually work against her positive because of harlequin unpredictable possible okay julia. What do you think about well it. Oh my god. There's a lot to right here. All i'm gonna make this even worse because we're at a turning point. Yes and this is where you have to tell us. Who do you think is ahead in this battle and what does the other <unk> character have to do to pull out the victory. Oh my goodness okay all right if if we're going into this with an i don't mean just i but just the original harlequin from the animated series but we're not doing very very clear. We're not doing not doing that if we were. I was just going to sit adhering go well. Black widow widow black widow <hes> because of who black widow is and who in the animated series harley quinn was was at that time but going with the whole poison ivy enhancement situation. It's okay all right now. We're now. We're really having to to split hairs here over what what affects each each fighter in this and and and what doesn't and we may be making we are making arguments up. You know like well no that wouldn't affect effector will use it would affect her but but okay so what how would that play out. How would these things affect each other. I'm digging the again my my own personal bias. I'm digging the <hes> the genius intelligence dr argument just because hey my own mom was one that one that doesn't make this fair or right but but as far as training goes even though she had the joker on her you know training here i i gotta go with the concept that natasha just are not <hes> the black widow had just the the <hes> the authentic genuine serious years of training inning <hes> pounded into her <hes> that even though harlequin has <hes> been trained by the joker and is wildly unpredictable <hes> <hes> <hes> something about the training thing like you were saying yes. There is a lucky punch yes. There are these things so but dang it. I'm seeing black widow in that regard so i gotta say were okay just going through this also as much as i love the concept of crazy then there's the concept of approaching something as a cool tactician so on that point. I'm kinda split so i'm in other words. I'm right down the middle here guys. We have for you on the show for it to be easy for you. Suddenly <hes> and <hes> i took a poll before i came over here <hes> just among some <hes> people saying okay well. Who do you think who do you think an honest got. It was split down the middle all the way to she'd been enhanced by poison the navy o- in immediately the fight broke out so you're pre-game games good early and did not that come up with a clear answer because again i was sitting go of course it's going to be black widow and then argument start coming out and other folks are going well. It's still black. No it's harley. Oh okay and i find myself in this moment at that point and i i often do not envy the position that we put the judges in because we do try really hard to find these battles that are very even as physically weekly possible and then we argue the heck out of them with each other and then just and then make you sorted out okay now is thrown over the wall and sorting out the one last thing though as much as i love the idea of of harley having that hammer hidden behind a chimney in the abandoned warehouse where they bump into each other for the first time i have to ask the question how did harley no to set up a random hammer behind a random chimney versus black widow having stuff honor. What does harley carry it. It's a question that i would ask because if you just look at harley quinn she tends to carry very little with her at any times but gosh willing the number of times that hammer comes into play is like constant so i don't know if she has some sort of weird. It's like a trip hammer that can like she can pull it out and it becomes very very large when she needs it or she. She often will stash it somewhere and then go to grab it during the course of the battle but she has it way too often for me to think she won't have it here and walking in the door and that's also the element of surprise and unpredictability. That's the thing that when she she decides to try to take a swing with it. Black widow will not necessarily it'd be expecting that to happen. That's true you know like what also drives a flying car from shield which he could possibly just you a happened to store behind a chimney as well in the air that she fights with all the touch it does right and applying car all the time in the middle of the flights. He's not send like excuse me. Let me get this. Flying college contacted with her. Whatever you know siri just have my car. Hit harley quinn from the backside and the answer is i can't really explain it but it's definitely there and and i wish i had a good answer for you because i think this is part of the mystique of harley quinn. I also got a good answer right. Yes all right so so to to that moment to people bump into each other in the dark. You can't tell me what harlequin may have on her okay. I always say what she often has on and i believe that she uses it enough. In enough weird in different situations it could be assumed that she would have access to it during the fight but my point number three will also talk about other aspects as well all right straight down the middle guys. Let's hear my point number three l. Let's talk about. I think we're both going to be basically offering the exact same point number three. If i'm reading eating this battle correctly james we think a lock a lot of like weird because you wouldn't think so. I know you look at us. You know couldn't be more different right. Mutant x <unk> over here and you know batman. Go ahead scatter man. That's got scattered a badge of honor forever so let's talk about some of the great wins that harley quinn is hat as well as some of the great <hes> <hes> unpredictability because yes having been a student of the joker the joker has those wonderful toys as to what you express before and there is ah part of what makes harlequin great is she will pull out an item that you've never seen before that is very unpredictable so i can't speak to specifically what she would necessarily have in this battle but you can assume she has something off the wall and strange unpredictable and barry very powerful and hers disposal. It's just to the imagination and i'll leave it to the writer to let legit to tell me what that is. Because you know there's going to be something. She never just going to be caught unawares in a situation like that always ready for a battle at all times hammer or otherwise otherwise but a few of the wins that she's had. Let's talk about some of the great victories that she's had <hes>. Let's start off with one of my favorite battles that i will researching. This is a battle. She had against killer croc who is a very very larwood seven-foot. Whatever tall guy combat abilities super strength super endurance. She defeated killer croc and a bowling alley and the way that she did did it otherwise known as race to kansas marriage i would live in a bowling alley and you don't know but i can't afford that. What i would say is the way that she defeated. Killer croc is one. He just couldn't quite he got hits in honor but he just couldn't quite get the one that would put her down and she ended up improvising and i think this is what one thing that she does extremely well. She picked up to bowling pins and started beating him. Senseless with the bowling pins broke the bowling pins on him because he's so tough and started stabbing him with the pieces of the bowling pins on <hes> and then when he was finally down she took a bowling ball and then smashed him in the head with it and this is how she won that battle and she has to say this the strength thank involved to be able to knock out killer croc in one v. One confrontation is very very high. She's also defeated the joker and defeated the joker easily at some times times and the joker is a guy who can one on one fight with batman and it can get over on batman and one on one fight i if he can get the right moment i would say it's not going to be a higher percentage of time but the joker ochre has his own number of wins in that situation and harley just dealt with them like he was absolutely nothing she just throw them aside and it's happened on multiple occasions where they got into a scrum together and when when push comes to shove usually she's under the jokers thumb but when she has decided enough is enough mr she takes care of business and she kloppers that guy oh did we mention batman before for she has at least three victories one v one against batman the highly trained frigging batman of the world i wouldn't i would say right now. I don't think it's a debate eight. Batman would defeat black widow constantly and over and over again but harley quinn when she matches up one on one vs batman wins those fights and she does it because he just can't figure you're out what she's doing and it's the unpredictability. She's going to pull something out and absolutely do it shouldn't just be batman. She thoroughly trounce batman in the one of the flights. The example is she was mocking talking him and making faces at him and he threw a battering and he hit a right in the face which should be enough to drop most people instead. She shrugged it off basically danced around him. Acrobatically of being like you can't hit me. You can't hit me pop pop given little hits here and there and then finally he grabs her by the wrist and he's just like okay. I got you and she's like oh. That's that's what i wanted you to do. And then she judo flips him over and beats the living bejesus out of him. She's got many many wins over bam other characters before i get to the big one here is <hes> <hes> she has defeated the midnight or who is an excellent character a very super enhance hero who can who had trouble with her because she's so unpredictable. He is combat algorithms if you will there imbedded inside of him couldn't figure out what she was going to do next. She has a victory over damian wayne. Who is the most powerful robin of this entire world trained by ninjas from the age of what is it james two-three who three we've done him on the show before from birth from birth and she just straight out defeated him she <hes> one of my favorite moments and using the unpredictability deception she beat wonder the woman one on one and a fight now it was a little deception. It's not like she just stood in front of her and they punched it out. She pretended to be a flower delivery. Service a person at a time when wonder woman knew that someone was coming after her and somehow wonder woman answered the door when she knocked on it instead flowers because he couldn't be that stupid and womb harley just takes her out right right there but my favorite one and this is the craziest one of all of the above is harlequin one v one defeated superman it a boxing contest now now if you're familiar and i'm sure you are with the mohammad-ali versus superman comic book very very iconic comic book. This was throw a shoutout throwback to that. I think so in that comic originally superman brought down his powers and fought muhammad ali one on one in the boxing ring. They recreated that for whatever reason they decided you don't need reasons is right. It's fun. Let's do it. Harlequin puts on the boxing gloves lights up against superman whose ramped his powers down a little bit. Let's keep it real. He could melt her face with two seconds. 'cause he's superman superman but in a fair fight against the man of steel who is still invulnerable who still is very very strong strong as he wants to be. They had a boxing match and superman got got roughed up by harlequin in boxing match and there are not too many characters of quote unquote upper street level power which would both of these characters are that can claim a victory of any kind over superman. She beat superman and that's my point number three <hes> to you chew on that indeed. May i ask them rebuttals before they were perfect. Okay how many times batman beat harley quinn. He's he's headwinds ends. I mean obviously he's brought her to justice several times. I mean it's the nature of the batman character because let's face it and this is the one of the big problems trying to argue for batman in the who would win battle this. This is a chance encounter. No previous knowledge batman needs. It's time to prepare so if they just meet in a chance encounter harlequin and batman harlequin tends to defeat batman but when given time to prepare era and he's decided like i'm gonna go get. Her ban will win that every time because he's frigging batman. I'll actually disagree with that. I'll say the harlequin does have wins over batman but the vast majority of the time prepared or not prepared. Batman atman has beaten harley quinn. No i'm not here. I'm who am i specifically examples of her cleaning her clock and that's enough for the who all right who am i but just like a batman fanatic. Okay okay you know whatever so you have reason to lie. Sure wonder woman so that was a non that was a surprise environment wasn't like straight up. You're taking you on your taking me on where green fight. Let's go and the point i want to argue with that is one the unpredictability who's to say. She can't surprise black widow is something similar but also to knock out wonder woman requires. There's a high level of strength and knowledge of where to hitter sure i. I'm not even disagreeing with that okay but it was surprise encounter. It wasn't like a mutual hey i'm about to we both know we're about or both blake. Who would win fight. It's we're both knowing we're about to fight. That's and that's the deal and that's the coming in one v one. If we're just going to say they're grappling some sort of like organized wrestling match or what have have you. I think black widow would definitely have the advantage but this is. This is a street fight. This is something with no rules and that's where the situation where i think harley quinn is going to absolutely win the day okay so when it comes to know rules someone who's trained by soviet russia to take out the united states who that go really well. That's why we're speaking russian right now. In this podcast okay so you're saying she took on a ramp down version of superman in a boxing match. Okay so that's on a full power version of superman superman also has a monster moral compass and he does not want him. Come close to hitting someone anywhere in a boxing match was an agreed apollo. Title match absolutely tried to hit a boxing match on. How many boxing matches have you done interest have i. I've done <hes> over one hundred wrestling matches but no boxing day so and and not to disrespect your experience because i know there's no way to do that. Is you know you got put on a pedestal one of the few things that's great about rakes by it's in a boxing match and i'm talking more like sparring but with like redeploying when you have someone who overmach empowers what have you you've got to bring down down everything incredibly and that's if you're a nice person and you have a good moral compass who has that more than rates superman he in a boxing match. You would never want to ask bentley. We take off someone's head or what have you. I'm just saying that's how it's written for it. He knew what he was getting into. He knew the rules that he it was really that big of a deal he would not have taken okay so let me get get to my point number three because we're not horley dissimilar but there's two things about harley quinn that again i i really liked the character probably coin too so as not to put her down okay so black widow again about eighty to eighty five years. Maybe ninety years worth of training in psychological manipulation <hes> what's called soft and tear agree interrogation where you can get some they have no idea they're being interrogated <hes> and she's also got these psychological implants like these commands that help or kind of see through you know to look for things to look for you know. She's been trained to look for weakness to look for anything. Unpredictability got at that means. Gotta do something to take advantage of unpredictability that means. I can't sean stand how to take care of it again. We're talking years worth of hardcore training and experience before she even came inexperience all these years of combat with like superheroes superheroes as far as opponent. She's taken on and taken out. Let's kind of go there so she took out batmans a great example but she took out katherine america and the way she did is she used manipulation to kind of get him to go in a certain direction. Throw a shield leave himself open. He blasts her. She blasts him while she's he's open he. He gets a show back says hi blocked it and he's like wait what and turns around and there. She is behind him shoot. Some full blast in the back of the head takes them out full win. I'm not saying i can't take up like what i'm just saying. Black widow did in fact with her blast with a the the widow's bite and her jilani and her tactics read captain american said got. I think i know what to do. Did it okay a summer one number two. She took out wonder man. Now this one i keep bringing up because wonder man is a superman levels often considered like you know not the most most heroic whatever because he's his background is that he wants to be a hollywood actor and he does stunts and all kinds of and by the way he was an adventure for quite some time but he is super powerful. He's like his his body was actually the template for vision in the comic books and he's got an energy basing but he is like he's thor base power. He's he's got flight. He's got all these other things. He's he's an energy. Being natade are black widow beat him. Okay got behind whatever i do knocked him out. He was out cold dame. Victorious x-factor speaking of x. Men x-factor group now is a bunch of mutants. I'm not sure which ones in their sunspot if you other ones superpower buttons it's a really cool comic. I've i've read that one back in the day and i am a fan of that okay cool so she and i'm not sure which is the ravens. She took out the x factor team in a battle like all of them and i know exactly. It's really did that but she did. She sending over saying wow okay well. That was a good for them. They put up a pretty good fight for people who aren't trained that well right like in even that but the one that was really impressive is that she took on and fought logan back back in the thirties or early forties in russia because he and his character wolverine you know before he took on the wolverine character was traveling the world and do different things all of a sudden he's in russia and is one of her training instructors. They have a full on fight and try to take me out because i want to see if you're prepared to do it and she did ed this is when she was a kid. I think she was like nine or ten or something took them out. Put them down of course she didn't kill him. He just got up and said and she said what do you think. Do you think i'm ready and he's like yeah. I think you're pretty ready so that was more of an indicator of like she's good to go that was as a kid to take on logan like blake knocked down the whole thing now. Let's go back to the psychological manipulation her way <music> of manipulating someone psychologically often done away where the other person doesn't know what's being happy to do that to captain america. She did that to wonder man <hes> again. She's done that with tony stark by the way very intelligent savvy not people whatsoever and she's done away where she can manipulate get information and also see where the weaknesses are now. Here's the key difference she's trained to see where weaknesses are both psychologically and physically and then learn how to take advantage of it so she doesn't have a high level of psychological expertise. She weaponize is it. That's the difference between the two harley quinn psychological expertise and everything that's part of her tactics. I wouldn't say that's one of her weapons right. She's unpredictable absolutely early but the way but it's not like a weapon that she uses the same way. Black widow does to take advantage proponents and what have you can get an opening so i think with all of her training her tech which gives gives her inability to hurt people like four and the hulk without them having to bring their power down so she's threat to them. She's taken out wonderment like taken out not hurt them but taking them out out sparred with logan taking kid and got the better of him x-factor her psychological relation and again her tech is just insane gives them more durability and the super serum. I just i think she got it all over harley quinn. That's my final point and you brought exactly what i figured. You'd be bringing to the table here. <hes> a bunch of examples of victories i mean it seems like she's uses like you had a problem album with the wonder woman <hes> thing with deception isn't that exactly what she did essentially to defeat captain america she she used deception and got to trick on looking at the wrong thing it was both of them were knowing that they're about to fight till he started at like opposites sa- parts of the room and then started fighting. It wasn't like captain. America see rogers comes to the front door and there's pizza delivery and there's black bomb that would have happened in the wonder woman example. She knew someone was coming to get her so the fact that it still worked as a little bit crazy see you could chalk that up to whatever you need to. The one thing i would say is the psychological manipulation and i think that is black widows one of her biggest pluses on the board however being that harley quinn is a highly intelligently trained psychiatrist. I might argue hopefully successfully that that's not going to work against answer because she will see all the angles she will see the manipulation happening. She'll see the words being used in the end the physical body motions of the whole thing and i believe that this is an aspect where the psychological training of harley quinn will be massive advantage in that. I think that harley quinn could do something unpredictable against uh against black widow. I'm not convinced personally that black widow could do something in the reverse against harley quinn. That's going to catch her off guard. Someone who's constantly on guard and can and knows the trick. Ask you question who's buttons can get pushed easier or more easily. Psychologically can black widow push harlequins buttons more or can harlequin push by no. I'll tell tell you why because that's what black widow does. She pushes people's buttons sure she gets them to make mistakes or she tests. The mountain crazy like a baseline of behavior done psychology all the time. I feel that if i say this this is as white he or she does by do this year he does this. She'll be able to kind of get harley quinn offer game sooner. The black widow could are going to agree that. She's like device. Absolutely we like the psychological tricks will have to be very subtle if a harley quinn is gonna use against her but the only real weakness it's gonna push harley quinn over the top and make their mind a little bit would be to reference the joker in some way the joker being a character that black wouldn't know about to know about the relationship so there's no reason to believe that she would be able to bring that into play in a combat scenario especially the only other thing i would say as as you bring up a her win over wolverine normally pre wolverine come on dude nineteen thirties doesn't have the ataman exactly though beating logan in the nineteen thirties not nearly as impressive as beating wolverine to day sure if you're nine or ten though and that's the beginning of your training and you're already able to do that or do you think you are eighty years later. They're sparring. I mean that's fine. I just wanna say like a win over wolverine impressive this maybe not as much so <hes> but otherwise i think i've made all the points i wanna make like i say i think that the psychological ecological game we'll be harlequins. I think that the gadget definitely would favor <hes> just because of the bite that helps as far as it goes but i get it's just it's a matter of cold calculating trading versus unpredictable mayhem and i'm glad i don't have to decide this and tech and everything else all right jill. You heard both sides angelis battle. Who do you think wins gives. Your process tells what's up dear god. This is not fair. How start goodnight nurse okay say again. I can see i'm checking things off and market them over and say oh okay that point now. Oh wait no this point over here that honestly i'm straight great pretty much straight down the middle and all right again i i'm trying not to get hung up on the the tech which could be the giant mini hammers she she might have in her sleeve. Just we don't know what harlequin carries with her and she has undergone poison. Ivy's enhanced what but now what if serums or whatever she gave her dang nation okay and then black widow has got decades of training and the boycott and just personality wise you know would would hardly be looking for a fight or would black widow just okay. This is over now. Count you know in in bumping into each other. How how would this thing play out. It might come down to first strike but i can't even tell you which right which person would manage land that just just because black widow would be perpetually on her game and ready to take on if if someone bumped into her she wouldn't necessarily so excuse me and prepare to walkaway. She would be ready to immediately engage now. The question is is is hardly the same kind of person and i'm thinking she she might say excuse me and b but but would would enjoy immediately spinning around and engaging the other person okay. I got it. I got to make a choice here. Is that your direct. Dang it all right my my heart is leaning toward black widow but i gotta tell you in terms of what poison ivy is done to harlequin and we don't know that she might have hidden behind a chimney somewhere in advance which i'll say i think is a little unfair to black widow. We're not letting black widow suddenly magically appear dad's. We usually gotta go with what they would have. It's how it would go go. It's not fair. It might be unfair to be fair. It might be unfair that but that's part of her unpredictable nature. I say okay the hammer. I don't know i don't know i gotta tell you i'm not i personally not feeling the hammer. Of course you're not because she doesn't walk around the hammer but she always seems to have she okay. That's different than saying like joe always seems to have something but black widow always has we we had we had a battle in just a moment to think about this. We had a battle with solid snake. The video game metal gear solid character versus. The iron giant and one of the things is solid snake <hes> we decided through the course of that battle that because he often has a series of weapons that shows up in every single game whether he brought them to the field or not. We did say that those were in play because that's a constant thing. He's using so the assumption. Is that if he's there. It must be something that's around. I might argue lawyer like much in the same way that all this stuff that harley quinn seems to us all the time even if she didn't necessarily bring it to the it's somehow it's their air through the magic of comic. She's gotta find it and then usually whereas they're trained to use all her tech immediately by the way her tech is also something she's wearing but really. We're still arguing. The same points right now with this is all stuff. We've already put on the record before. I believe we are ready for our final decisions. Do it whatever you say we'll go with it. God all right. I hereby declare but for the magic hammer it would have been black widow but with the magic hammer i gotta go on. I know you like goodness. I'm shocked shocked disc. This will be highly contested. Oh i hope so because i still satisfied about that. I gotta tell you that's that's cheaper commute. There's an older king for a reason. A cheap victory is still a victory. Thank you so much for being a part of the show. I as if i couldn't be a bigger fan of yours i multiple final we're going to be i bought the book. I don't know if line through the better my guy told my son's middle middle name is xavier and look at that point and that's usually your point number three in most arguments all right well. I gotta tell ya ray. You did a great job thank you. I completely disagree with the hammer under no but here's the thing it's royalty not gonna argue with james normally normally over take this opportunity to tell you. What a terrible job. You did. Obviously i can't i'll be honest. I think we both brought our game this time because we knew who the i think thank the powers that <hes> harlequin got fairly recent and i was even thinking about debating like what are we. There was a two recent but the problem is if you debate like power set then all of a sudden the power shifts it goes way too and then the kinda done you know what i mean so. I'm glad you brought that up that was cool hammer but with that being says it ray. This is why i love debating with ray because he's an awesome. I joke about it. He's an awesome debater. He's really thank you very much. James and i would say the same to you if i didn't feel constantly robbed by decisions. Go in your favor. That's true this particular example. You did a fantastic job. Thank you all right so julia again. You've proven y you are royalty and we'd love to have you back anytime. Thank you for for being you and doing everything you've done. Geek nerd animation industry. It wouldn't be anywhere where we love it today. If it wasn't for u or essential part of all of our childhood growing up good thanks for taking that tell us where people can find you and tells you people can buy previously on the greatest books ever written well. <hes> eric and i have an <hes> a web presence <hes> x. men t._a._a._s. which is x. x. Men the animated series and that's just kinda calling it again calling back star trek star trek t o s original family cousins william shatner. Oh yeah all right. 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Birds of Prey (And the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn)  EP130

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Birds of Prey (And the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn) EP130

"Attention please be advised. The following episode contains spoilers. Don't say we didn't warn you in one way and breaks it back and then the other leg. Aw Komo what's up everyone. Welcome to the podcast deserve. We're all levels of NERD. You're welcome by Golly. Gee We're giving it's a year with the mallet and a smiley face today. We get a fresh start grab more mallets. Toss a friend a hair tie and take a big bite out of the perfect egg sandwich with the latest. PC EU installment in the full-on along woman directed woman written in lead cast with birds of prey and fantabulous fantabulous. Emancipation of one Harley sequined. I do have to really quick. A little footnote. The reason why Tom Says Golly Gee will occur is that we told him to not cuss. Smell no it was. I knew you do not messing it up but fantabulous misses me but without further ado. Let's introduce the host. I am Tom Ali and Caitlyn. Laurie and I am Josh in. 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Lula we use apogee for our recording Our software the interface that we use is apogee and we just love their products. They're wonderful company people really great people And we partnered with Ozzy headphones the ones that we are wearing right now. They are pretty fantastic. Ask Dick this is going to be a little addie because quote me on this. They come via his hill. They come as how sound so good But they have all sorts of kinds of headphones gaming headstones three headphones which were going to be putting together some content in the near future so But yeah but it's it's also big news. News related to this bat symbol. That was ever been on cinemax green well as related to apogee We will be having are you. Ready are very I live show. What will be department? Nobody told me. Yeah we are very I live. We are incredibly excited. When is it Josh? It's going to be March seventh and eight. PM Remember member remember the seventh. Try to make this temper. It's not clear timber thing. It's going to be a job when is it. It's march seventh way at eight. PM and where is it apogee studio. WHO's Santa Monica? Everybody can go. It's free it's free. Fifty experimented Ferdie. Free Free Free Ninety free flirty and free. Yeah that actually no so no. We are very excited. A live audience share with your friends your family. If you're not in the area share it with friends and family that are in the area and or come to the area yet county. They've all this information. Where can I go to check it out? You can go to neurons dot. Io backslash live ours we would love love because we do have to have a headcount so there is there any chance I might walk away with some sweet pride. Tom Is there. Yeah fucking talk nerdy stuff. We're GONNA have some guests. We're GONNA have chances to win prizes. It's going to be a good old fashion. You might have an opportunity. Pretend might even do a cartwheel. All you can count on that and then I just go to the hospital probability so yeah that is coming up so we will see everybody there and Yeah that's it that is the housekeeping so excited. Oh man so. We're GONNA GET OUR NERD on. I'm John Doe. Birds of prey fantabulous emancipation Of Harley Quinn. I'm going to say the full every time Long so at the end of the episode. We're going to rate it and so that brings the first segment right now. Guess that they're going to be back home. mm-hmm need you. Actually access degrees of separation is in most Batman Film. Caitlyn as your partner knows my the whole brand new to nerd on. Thank you for joining us. And enjoy the ride. Buckle up baby It's not our first of the show where we're going to go in a round table. Guests are going to have the lowest score from zero out of five no matter how hi. The number is the lowest one of the group becomes the group for the week. It's our way to kind of make a Downer thing a fun thing. Yeah and part of the nation powered by piece you you get to participate and become that grumpy for guests gator man or girl. I'm GonNa Start Stealing his whatever you want to because go drive. Read comics graphic out of A lot of all of them and So Yeah Since I always change it up and I never get it wrong. I am going to go first and say Caitlyn she guess. I yeah. Yeah it's GonNa be Ali who but it is a movie of strong Female I know it's not marvel so he doesn't but maybe there's so many strong but it's an odd number right. I Dunno character who you got what it's worth. Remain no corey baby. All Right Josh. You're supposed to I read them down. Keep check I going Tom. Okay so we have one frawley one for Tom. One for Corey. The other DC Sherman eath. Tom I'm I'm going to guess Ali because that's interesting safe place for me too so it's to rally wintertime trader Greenpeace. I will say hey. This is a tough one one here. I'll say one vote Tom because he's DC. But Tom. I'm GONNA vote Tom. Why does time to Frawley one for Corey? The nerd on nation does not help us break the tie because that is another vote for me. Okay take time to corey three ways all right. Hey Yeah so there. You are the common sense of Ron. We'll find out at the end. The episode who it was. But if you'd like to get an idea of who the ground is GonNa go into spoiler territory for that with with our stealing from the action or also the pond anyway. Caylin always messes up. Josh always listens he should go first. Yeah Ali uh-huh yeah yes and I went to the theater dope di no like to. We've been talking about this leading up to the movie Like none of us really kind of knew it was happening like we. We knew what was happening but like me I for some reason I didn't know was happening for a while up until a few months until before came out And Harley Quinn and joker were I I think the sort of the redeeming parts of squad so naturally going into the second movie. I was a bit more I guess that's true it's actually we won't unquote called a spin off movie it's Nicole Sequel. Or yeah going into this going into this like spin off I was looking forward 'til I you know having fun with minor characters that I really enjoyed and for the most part I kinda did There's a lot that I didn't love We'll go into but Ally really great visuals. I think Margot Robbie did a pretty good job. Most of the time as quint and yeah. I'd take Josh Josh. Tom's King. WHO's going Tom? Tom All right. So you know me. The DC boy. His petting his statuette him distracting Audience of who are listening. Don't know and I have. Add it's so if you could stop and So I was really interested in seeing where this was going to go Mainly because the British Has Never included Harley Quinn But the fact that Margot Robbie was producing it and she had gone to bat for this film back into your team Ghana vet. Yeah I know and I I was really excited is kind of see why this would turn out to be because there hasn't been a girl team up or woman team up com book movie and and You know as much as everyone likes to tease it. No one's really done it And so seeing what the story would be then so watching the film I was like. Oh this isn't like to me a really a wound team up movie at all. This is like the version of like a Guy Ritchie movie with like a fucking plot and all these things are happening in intertwining with each other. It's a good way to put it and I was like. Oh Okay I could. I could see this and to to me. It's more of the acceptance and learning like The way that One of brothers wants to go with the DC films like each films is going to be their own thing. And they're gonNA have their own identities John Flavors and then you're GonNa have to meet them where they are because there is no Batman in this one sports so why he brought his own Batman status the house with him and he's been putting it the whole time because it's his constellation for no Batman in the film also is because they didn't get the Harley Quinn from suicide squad because I don't know if I wanted to buy it but With this one if I told you what So leave it at that where I would totally buy the huge director's cut over a hundred dollars to get this film. Well there you go ooh Nice. Let's cool I'll go. He's going to have this bullshit. I I actually really didn't know what to expect to be perfectly honest. Suicide Squad Eh. It's not something that I i. It's something that I watched. I enjoyed the experience of but it's something that kind of I flew under my radar isn't the right way to say it just didn't hit me very hard where it was like. Oh yeah this was an amount to the face wasn't a mallet knows no So I didn't quite know what to expect. But I mean Harley Quinn aside. I'm a big fan of Margo. I've really enjoyed pretty much all of her films I think she's extraordinary. And I love watching interviews with her. She just seems really cool Only twenty nine. I know But seeing gene seeing this Just a group of strong female characters. It's fun I like the way that you said. That Guy Ritchie type film is No I dug it. It was an entertaining experience. I when we're expecting it to be exactly what it was basically. I thought the team was going to happen a little sooner than it did. But I I went and being like I'm ready for ladies to fight a bunch orange people and be friends. Maybe probably also probably be astles because it's Harley Quinn and then they did exactly that and I was like yeah good job like if you could give this movie a pat on the back. Five grow up afterwards. The screening goes kind of like okay so Caitlyn Dan like the movie go. ooh I love Guy Ritchie type films. So I I loved this movie I will Go into detail later in the show but I honestly walked out of this theater with my wife and that was a lot of fucking fun and I am going back like to see it again It's just a blast from start to finish exactly kind of what I wanted from a Harley Quinn movie really Not so much birds of prey movie but yeah you know has both in the title. So I'm fine. Fine with With the Harley centric I loved. UN's take on on black mask. Ah I could not get enough of that. Say this. He's probably one of my favorite villains. I would yes I ever black mask. Eggers version Oh yeah I was GONNA say it's not. It's not a lot like the original black masses much more just like these guys and Blah Blah Blah and a few Batman. I'm GonNa Hire Bane Gene and firefly and all these people are not with the arms. You still got the core of what the character is. which is this like thin skinned wants to be the cream of the crop Batman villains sounds but he never is never so anytime anyone's laughing at him or not taking him seriously he three so I thought that the twist on it to put him in this like kind of if high-society type character was was absolutely wonderful? But then I there's A. There's a really good moment. It's not a good moment but it's a really good character moment for for black mask so From start to finish I was. I was in it to win it. Yeah so everyone home knows what everyone feels shedding more light on what are grump ratings. Were but will move onto the next two segments that are brief synopsis in our production so I'm going to try I to make this under five minutes under the night of Joshua kills me. What the egg sandwich or something like that This is GonNa be the joke now. Josh so We can do it. Real quick real quick. I mean so Harley Quinn Win Who just broke up with joker is Drinking her way to the bottom of the drain and she gets in trouble with a lot of people and so when she finally announces Oh by exploding as chemicals where she got her origin story that we got through an animated Short snippet of the films. She blows it up and then everyone knows that her joker broken up so now everyone is. He's not afraid of Harlequin anymore. And comes after this Starts with Renee Montoya. WHO's like Cu? We gotta bring her in now but also starts with black mask. I'm going to kill her now. but also There has been a plot where Lena Tonelli's family has. This diamond has an encoding of the bank account. That has all their money that the black mass wants to get to that at this child. CASSANDRA CAIN steals and swallows And her friend that she has. She has in her apartment complex. which is Black Canary Tak- Dinah Lance Is trying to protect her so she uses a renowned toy to try to help her so all. This comes to a head at a final moment at amusement mile. At the booby trap where they all have to fight together to fight off the black mask because he's turned kill everybody but he's caused everyone pain. But also this brings in the huntress Ak you find out little. Yeah yeah the daughter that survived this massacre and they all worked together to bring down and kill all the goons and gang bangers. That's what they call him. The movie and Finally leads it to a cool cool sleight of hand trick that was introduced at the beginning of the film and Black Mass explodes and fantabulous explodes explodes in slow fashion. And a and some good Harley. Quinn takes hundred under her wing. And then the brewers appraise formed with Raymond Toya and Dino Dinah Lance Defense and Helena Bertinelli then also victor's off okay. That's interesting so now. The production redefined folly distributed by Warner Brothers pictures who was also distribute the Harry Potter series inception and the lego movie Directed by a Kellyanne. Who's done last night? According to my mother dead pigs which is her first film produced by Margot Robbie who has also done on I Tanya Terminal Promising Young Women Bryan Young Kalisz. I believe Diary of a wimpy kid like all of them. The Hunger Games sequels and I Tanya also produced by Sue Kroll. Who's done a star is born motherless Brooklyn and the God Gold Flinch Gold Goldfish that movie? Pretty Christina hotson written by Christina Hudson who's on shut in Bumblebee and the upcoming flash in back girl CAST MARGOT Margot Robbie WHO's done I? Tanya Wall Street and Focus Mary Elizabeth winstead Scott Pilgrim vs the world found the nation three and live free or die. Hard journeys smollet Bell. Who's done the great debaters underground? TV show true blood. Rosie Perez who has done white man can jump do do the right thing untamed heart. Chris Messina. Who's done argo are away? We go and devil L. A. J. Ahah BASCO WHO's done veep grey's anatomy and Teachers Alley Wong. Who's done always be my maybe American housewife where Harry met Sally to Andy Will McGregor a funny or die? skit where billy crystal goes to the producers to pitch when Harry met Sally John is one of the executive that Nice You McGregor who of course has done star wars. The Phantom menace beginners and trainspotting specific with. You can just send the the Phantom Fan. Dement is best known physically Really State January seventh twenty twenty and the end runtime one hundred nine minutes budget is ninety seven point one million. We don't know the gross yet. And that's us now rotten tomatoes score eighty one credits credits. Credit critics One credit will and the audience. What did I say January? Okay I typically go a little bit late on the box office because it's always accurate I always will I do. I usually do the night before. Of course it will change. Because it's more like fucking but so it's now at eighty-one three million can even so far. Yeah Great Yeah. Eighty percent critics paper anymore. It get it out and now it's done nicely right now by. Isn't that a nice movie. Josh Yeah all right so now business business move onto the show. which is our favorite parts of your characters qualms and finally our ratings? So let's go off I I'll go I'll say ah the shot of the egg sandwich being made. I was actually going to say that to that. Was Sandwich probably the best food. Cinematography have seen seen in a long time. It sounds like well. Yeah but then. I'll feel bad because I've seen chefs table. I've seen a lot of mine of a chef. I've seen a lot of Gordon Ramsey ship like those are like life. I've even seen burnt which is bringing Bradley Cooper spills and I also saw chef and they make food look anywhere near as good as that one egg sandwich. I think meals kind of sad. Though of that scene was that it was supposed to look bow food that don't make food look that good like Michelin Star. Not that it's a comparison. Percents understand I was like wow like to me this is like like the first macguffin of the film to make like. That's when I lost my true love to realize how bad things where I was like to me like almost like rolled my eyes. Because they're making this fucking about a sandwich and they realize they're making it about a sandwich gets Harley Quinn right it's like okay like fucking made that sandwich look in fact we. They're not how not one. She's allergic to eight. They had to make a difference. Gigs amazed versus all. That's my first go. Everyone's I mean the precinct heard her aiding the precinct. That's the author. Now with the load John Lethal were with the explosives. Experts like some of them were confetti so uh-huh and Mike her coming through the blue and red wool. Now you also like one room was yellow. The bottom layer was like y in the top way was like blue like the way that the tinted the glass. The fussy glass. I was like they really went into the production design for they make make this look so fun. Yeah for me. It was right after the bat the baseball when she gets the Baseball Bat. Seen hoke induced bounce all off uh-huh and then she jumps up and hits. The other guy was like this is a comic book. I hear audibly went. Oh Yeah looks like. It hurts so much when she finds the bat and she's like Oh hell yeah. I like that almost almost Jackie Chan. Yeah which makes it wasn't edited like Jackson but yeah that that whole sequence I was I was in an author of the baseball was really funny kind of like dead. You could have prevented that. Well he's a little white you the Gameboy the he's GonNa lose his status. It's cred show bounced baseball bat off the ground to hit someone. Let's throw it back a little bit credibility development perspective. Yeah here moment obviously. When else was bruce? The hyena Hong Hunky Wayne Guy Heinous so much also I loved it. It like the dude is being creepy but immediately is eaten Mike really fitting especially in thing we can get away with those kinds of tendencies. Yeah those are the initial assessment. Fuck this guy. And then it's like well. Gee called him a truly terrifying an awesome moment was when Black Mask or silent Romance Sinus me. When somebody's just laughing loses his mind? I thought that was a wonderful moment for the character very terrorist for the warmest. Yeah and I felt so bad. Yeah kind of like for the in the hunter this is just like I really WanNa make sure I was watching. I was like I'm really gonNA hate it if I like him. More than I like other people. Yeah because I'm going to really miss a he if he dies or anything. I like that because this is like. Oh he's off is a piece of shit. Yeah because there are some moments where you live I like crossbows. Why don't I own hernia? ooh killing people's faces off. I wasn't like it's still was like. Oh this is like a comic book thing. So especially when he's like not it bubble and he changes his mind my mind enough to be like you're a villain but you're like a comic book villain so it's fine so like that scene in particular made him feel like a very real air fighing human real threat. Yeah and the thing was I and this is a very particular part of the scene and how was directed and stuff like that. It was like like he makes this woman he makes his guy who's her friend. Cut Her dress open. Rip It off. But she doesn't rip it off entirely and so she's not fully exposed. It's tattered version of this dress. And so that's where I kinda like where it's like. He's not fully stripping down but he's doing enough damage to tearaway security as well as beauty from things ran so like it's not like I'm leaving vulnerable but I'm like I'm leaving ruin. Yeah I really Kinda like that. There was at Motif and methodology. That like they left in because you could have just hire strip down. Naked wasn't a sexual thing for him. It was just embarrassed her And so it was like I ll enough where you feel. Like he's such a dirtbag but it's also pulled pulled back enough where it's like. It's not full on like hating women full on massage. It was just for the laughing and be they call me the crossbow killer. No didn't like for me. I was like our afraid that they're gonNA overuse this but they didn't. I was like okay. Cool it was so much fun. Add all right when she ends at the docks place and she says they call me now is like God this is going to get really cheesy Nelson. Okay cool they make up the cheesiness leaning leaning into it. Because it's like I was thinking about to like I always say one thing. I really liked about this films. That like it's written really well. Yeah like for the amount of like that. They're going to have to just like shoe shoe in a lot of these people without origin. Stories like the Guy Ritchie Motif goes really like is using such a well mannered like Mecca. Like is so well in this so Mike you get the orders that away and they're punchy and they're all in there and the break up the monotony of like just one frame here won't move onto the next thing it's like here's an origin. Boom get out. You know what you're doing. How and also show is like the character like quirkiness and so like the fact that hunters is kind of like? There's one character that is using the Guy Ritchie film. But like it's Kinda like they're they're so uptight but then also there awkward in their own way and that was really I was talking to the mirrow the for me the hair tie thing my wife and I both you want to hear tie in the middle of this fight was one one of my favorite moments sure puts is fighting people while putting her hair like mover. Here's Gupta and accurate. That and the which mccaw D I can start wherever the fuck. I want four minutes earlier like okay. Fine that's great. Well that's cool because it leaves the film turn of the unreliable narrator and so like the she is reliable but then also she's play. You're having a playful space where you're kind of just like on this ride and you're being told all the journey where it goes and like when you need to know it breaks you know for a formula. It breaks any type of I guess any preconceived notions of how pacing should be done. It happens at the whim of like. Oh now you're gonNA need information. So here's the information and it's gone in that way because I was like I I was like I had a lot of hesitation. Worlds like fucking lot of narration. Ration- here fucking. I'm all about that That that Charlie Kaufman Baby. Don't you fucking use narration. But then I was like Oh. They're using it because it's it's part of what the style the movie doing right. I love the disjointed plot. Like I I dig that Shit. Yeah just when it's going back and forth but what I liked about this as it wasn't there was one moment where it was previous. She hadn't started doing that yet. It was just the story going along and and then you're Kinda like wait. How did she get from there? Okay so she didn't she goes. Oh I'm sorry I'm getting ahead of myself. And she kinda yeah. It's like it because he loved it after after by the dunes and also use your brain to the precinct. You're like what the fuck happened because I was like what the fuck else and that was the first time like again where movie he made me think twice and was like cool. I'm glad the first time a movie made you think twice for a long time before it's kind of like this is very different from. This is the first time I was a coach Shane. The last time was probably inception. Yeah I was like oh I don't know but that's not my point I was just clarifying. I'm that smart anyone else for your parts of the Damn. I loved that Harley. Quinn was very like a real person here that she did like Roller Derby and had like little fans knew her and that she's leaving the bar and I can't remember her name other than Black Canary Dinah is like and you're the asshole nobody likes and she's like are you the girl that Nolasco listen to like so there were just those like real world interactions of like you would be a really obnoxious person that no one would like and there was a lot of that that made her feel like she actually existed. We'll also ending moment also really cool that that's one thing. I really liked how this version of Gotham like. It wasn't high metropolis droplets in dark night. It wasn't very like a Very how Ba- The emmys series very art deco -I also wasn't very gothic perfect like in Burton. It was shot primarily in La. And so I really liked. You've felt the ground level of any of the chasing scenes during like the little chinatown sequences. Like I I love because it's like it feels like this is real and not fully like like a propped up city doesn't feel like a green screen. Feels like cool like they're actually people who are living over here on. These are like the day to day things because everything that works within the Batman Realm of DC is like it is supposed to be the ground level things where like there Julie robbers and that's the fucking mission or it's like there's people who just trying to steal someone's money just trying kill somebody that's it it's not. We're going to a poison. The Air Waterhole. Everyone's like all right. It's not like a giant ratio Goulding's giant being plot. It's just like we're GONNA kill. Yeah and I. I really liked that grounded feeling because he also felt like this happens all the time. Yeah and I like the inner working. I know how the world works in the in this place. Yeah those are. Those are the issues that I have mostly with other DC. Movies is like it's uh-huh pl- you're taking the plot way too seriously. It's like you're cramming way. Too much story in terminology into this and it doesn't and at the same time still trying to have that like comedic can a spin on it which doesn't really fit together. I think that's one of maybe one of the flaws of that. But I think in this case you you you have that kind of more relaxed. Relax writing and you get to complement it with like Kenneth Simpler visuals and simple story. Yeah instead of like overthrowing so many. CG things like is it's just like cool. We're GONNA have cool stripe. Yeah I also really loved Victor's okay. So that's like and that was is such a when he says I was like. Oh Yeah so Victor de Zaza one of Batmans Like being boys like main main like run run in like villains comes across in the rogues gallery and the you see a snippet of him in begins. He's the first guy that Detective detector detect. Dr Crane is trying to get into Arkham asylum and he seem again at the end of the philosophy variously Arkham asylum the video. So pretty much whenever he kills someone when He. He does like a tally mark on his body. And like he's known in the DC universe like this is just normal human but he just he's a serial killer. That is on the loose tally. I love killing and like kills people usually with a knife and so it was a little interesting my son with a gun. Everyone smells like a knife also too so he's typically like bald eyebrows sometimes sometimes create like more uh mad maxi look yeah Sometimes he's just like you know normal orange attire because he's just broken up. President typically saving spot for Batman. Yeah and so. That was cool that I really liked in here where he has blonde hair and kind of has this weird pseudo like romantic relationship thing with live. Boy Yeah and like I I really liked. Oh Jealous I liked that because it gives them much. It's more like nuances of character and also Chris Messina who who portrays them like I when I was like. Oh okay was use this guy. I mean he's let me ask what the hell and I thought it was like. Oh it was. It was so interesting. That's when I really really kind of let go of the reins of like these Aren't going to be the catchers that I know from the comic books and we're going to just let the writer kind of have let them live in their own spaces and I to me. My only not really like what I want is more them. And hopefully that inspires other people to be like. I want to know more about this character and how that's done. Yeah because that is what got me to be like. I want to know who is other than guy who hangs out with poison ivy. Yeah and I was like. Oh he's way different load olive Romans. Different us all all the different. There's the e. like the tiny specifically gross out you and then when he's talking about the tiny head you love. His characterization was for me Like a homerun. I every minute that union was on screen. I was like yes more of this. Please yeah that I was like this is this is what I want. This is the perfect villain for Harley. The scenic design was beautiful especially at the end China. The area I was Gonna say I really liked Like harleys his final like legs that she had to stand on in which the Use the last bullet yells. Yeah and and she's going against she's trying to find a black mask and you know it's the line that said in the trailer where it's like. People should be afraid of Harley Quinn. I'm the bad guy calls like this is kind of dove. It just feels really cool. And she's like well. I know I know I just said because she's not a marksman right but like I really liked that feeling. It felt it's like I'm not here to compare one or the other but to me like when other characters in the third act have to stand up for who they are. This felt way better than what others characters have done And I was like really like I don't know if it's Margot Robie mono feels the writing. I don't know if it was like the time that this was taking place. But like it was the compounded soundness of like throughout the entire story. Her narrative is nothing without joker and she has to try to like. She hates where she lives. She hates herself wolf in all this and then now she's trying to like. I'm trying to save this kid now. I was like this is dope like that's actually a funny thing because I like not i. I didn't like like suicide squad for the same reasons other people did. I don't I didn't like suicide squad because I don't find it very hard to like villains like I find it very hard a like a movie about villains and so or this movie I'll very like like in so that was interesting thing. My thing was not like Oh Blab Latte Lake so formula going. I don't know if I'm going to like movie about a Harley Quinn Harlequins a bad guy so I'm like how am I going to like this well especially like you like the TV show because it does the same thing as this. Yeah it's it's more and things like they both aren't try. The both versions of the character aren't trying to kill people they're just trying to Establish life established independence and be like. I'm my own person. Because she was created. Aided by Bruce Timm and Paul Dini as the girlfriend of joker and so stepping out of that light and even in the real world role. Yeah yeah in a real context. Everyone's like Oh Joker Harley Joker and Harley joke and Harley in the Kambakhsh it's grown so much so far past and like I like they made a little not to it in the animated. Where like showed her boyfriend after boyfriend and girlfriend and like she's had relationship with the poison ivy so like that's who are actual person she's closest to in the complex is now harlequins so different from how she was in Septa to create and like now I was like oh I like I'm liking this? I WanNa see now like a trilogy of just Harley Quinn Movies of like what happens to her eliminates like real world A Harley Quinn has grown such a huge following huge following Riley and it's it has what school is it inspires to expand and her story her world to see like. Oh she's not just a side piece for that was a funny thing that a lot of people I think were concerned about with with how she was portrayed in suicide squad ends because like Oh yeah. That's the best relationship you want to be. An I'm swaying my head listening. And because it's a violent fucking abusive relationship this should be toxic is shit and the only version of the joker and Harley relations. That's almost almost except not acceptable. Is Bruce Tim version. Because it's a cartoon quote unquote four kids but even then it's terrible And then the live action. We didn't do anything to help out with that. So like this version of Harlequin like think being a character by herself not as the jokers girlfriend like Mike. I'm here for it because I'm like. Yeah let the character stand on her feet and so that scene really like I get it. I'm here for this favorite characters or we could go on and on same same slowing down so I was like no keep going. You know a little bit Step down from your soapbox now favorite character. I'll say for countries I just her awkwardness but bad asam But also we all have Mary. Elizabeth winstead too. So yeah. It didn't come out on audio. Some everyone everyone compresses in anyways. Leave it in so other than Harley Quinn. Yeah isn't hardly grandma. Harley Quinn Favorite character because she is my favorite writer on. Are we not supposed to win. No he just said hundreds and I don't know if that was supposed to be because has no I mean who's your second favorite. Okay then. Yeah Harley Quinn would be my favorite and then hunters staying away from favorite huntress shred our favorite harlequins second Mask My would be hardly granted lackner I'm saying actually don't change me. No don't go changing on me. It was hard it was because he was black maskell. Yeah it's there was such a great duet that they had even the number you and just is He's just amazing. It was such you can tell he was having fun with which was awesome really everybody watching their performances. It was really it this one. Actually we is something. I forget what we watched recently where it was hard to pick a character because everybody's performance was yeah wasn't easy either. I loved everyone in this movie. Like it wasn't it wasn't like both of those. A long shot near those just happened to me my favorite. I like everyone in this movie and like shut up to Rosie Pres- I she's great in everything. You know what happened. The white men can't jump is one of my favorite comedies. You don't happens her who she turns into the question. Oh Nice so everyone. Home listening The question is Originally Vic sage who is a guy with like a duster actually who works was based on watchmen He's got a blue hat blue duster and his face is blank and he could re like remain commingle his face to look like anyone's on but Well Renee Montoya is like one of the highest like detectives and GDP and just how the movie said like she drinker way until like failure And then she ends up getting like taken under the wing by Vic sage and he says go train under Richard Dragon. Richard Dragon is known by the League of Shadows. by Sheva as well as Kane Kane who's an assassin And he's like the guy who's like if you go through me and then you're ready to join the League of Sassoon's And she and he does happen APPA than she liked it a lot of cool shit where I'm like. Oh like I. It's it's interesting. I'd say like the way that the the during everyone's origins like Yeah Helena Bertinelli origins pretty high attacks by canaries. Unless you WanNa talk about multi verse. It's never going to be in taxes. Yes I do. You know what happens. CASSANDRA CAIN RIGHT IT senator. Kaine Cassandra candy comes comes back girl. Why so so? CASSANDRA CAIN in the comics. So lead shadows There're there's a lady Shiva and David Cain who end up having a child. And you're like we're good amrried the best. So driver becomes CASSANDRA. CAIN and she actually doesn't learn how to speak and her first language is to read her opponents Like techniques and shit right so like she is she ends up growing up Kinda Mute Mute and she has a broken English And then she actually goes on first assignment. David Cain and David Cain takes her into like we're going to go kill this Guy Blah Blah and she thinks it's a game and then she finally kills him she's like Oh oh my God. My Dad's a bad guy and she leaves and this and actually all. The birds appraised like origins really kind of our surround around like in Gotham. There's a moment where there's a giant earthquake and they they call it no-man's-land And then like all. The police laughed. Everyone left only Batman and a few police stayed to like try to maintain peace. CASSANDRA CAIN was one of the few. And Oracle Robert Gordon monitoring finishing speak and then brought her under her wing then later on like like introduced Bruce backrow. Because she's like I used to be back her whole for since so you don't have you don't speak we're gonNA cover your mouth. So she's the one with the stitches on her mouth Gotcha and then currently now for her origins a little bit recon where she's now called orphan. Um and it's it's it's really cool study. I saw a black mass. Have the knife to renege on. Like is he going to cut it and then she's GonNa become you and what that's where. I was like soon to violin. No I was like I don't know if I like the imagery or the ideology of a man taking voice from a woman in this year. Yeah Yeah I will say this also find out. Why didn't hate the hate the kid? Oh great I didn't try because she didn't act like a fucking stupid disease. Helpful in the plush adult right Yes yes yes we get it all right. Thanks I also know. I had one more favorite part. It was hardly breaking the driver's legs. That was a really good visual. First of all great stunt but also the wave of. Oh yeah the audience yes. I'm here for this showdown twice in the sound. Yes all the imagery of the and then that outbreak and the break where she breaks like one way and then breaks it back and then the other leg also and this is an interesting thing with this compared to like deadpool. Violence like this is like. This is like the middle if I can say deadpool versus like Logan so those are the spectrum gleaned on the deadpool close close to Logan side worlds like low dimples when some having like everyone's rubber and the people who are getting hurt Doug matter here's like every faction painful patrick have consequences y'all just random like NPC's this are all right so now now qualms. Yeah okay. I'll start. It's not really a birds of prey movie and it's called birds of prey. So that's my qualm. I kind of agree. I think they could have gone with a car. Something in the more of the realm of Harley Quinn as as the center of the title as birds of prey and then like lead into the movie. Yeah but APPS but that's that's literally mile uncommon for me. This is to me. Besides I'm going to not include. The Zack Snyder cut of BBS. Maybe I will. This is the best. DC movie. I've ever seen it. Well Yeah I think I could be the structures that but it's such a different movie movie that it's hard but that wasn't released in theaters so we're talking to. This is the best I think comparing like return the king till I To lock onto. Yeah so for me for me this is the the greatest theatrical release of a DC. I might be on board with that. I agree with that I walked out and my wife said what do you think this is the best one This is the best. I can Michael which was home. One it kind of woods wine really have us. He's here no foreplay. So okay it's important to set up though like that I am a fan of Harlequin. I love strong. Female characters. Right this movie was a lot of fun but the one thing that like stuck out to me immediately and unfortunately for the movie kept bothering me throughout the entire hire thing was how was like every guy was a misogynist and every female like was like an empowered award good person. I feel like I feel like it was a little too hard in the paint on the misogyny of like every guy that Internet I guys a hard time not accept fine but even then she's like he's still let her down at the end and not the guy who made her the sandwich but it it was for business you don't know about anyone. Put Him in the category like every man that she interacted with and like. It didn't bother me so much on Harley's plot as much as it did with Rosie Rosie's pres- presence plot like her captain the captain like every cop being like the same kind of thing and like everybody's like cheering him when it's like she's got fire. Whatever or quit or whatever like that was ill? cliche mix too much of that for me like I. It just alert too much to worry just stuck stuck out and it was kind of bothering me. Every time I kept coming back in like McGregor's character was like the right mix but then like his surrounding cast. I feel like was didn't get the benefit of his charming dialogue. My only my only lake I examined for example in no one wins Is actually because I was thinking about like silence of the lambs and that is hard hard into the paint of it is just subtle or the way it does it but lady to me. I think that's the kind of off prism that we are given to look through at of a female like produced film as well as directed and written where this is kind of the prettiest Also produced together bitch. I understand that it's there and it's part of the plot part of her story. That's kind of the point of the movie and I think that's GonNa be the narrative because like this is coming from and I think they get green. Lit The thing where it's like. That's kind kind of like where they're coming from and so kind of taking that as like a lake. This is the story that they're feeling and their understanding and how they see the world is. It's it's tough again to sell to somebody that you know. I'm a male so I don't experience those things but like it's it's interesting wonder woman was more subtle with it. Even though that movie has a line of like no man can do that. And then she comes out and because it's like the twenties my take on it though is because it's Harley Quinn. She's not around many gory any good people. She's around like the was that it didn't harleys. Didn't it wasn't as yeah. He's still in encountered it the details but it was more like the detectives. I'm like Mike I don't like how they portrayed cops to either. It was like like every cop was an idiot like her. Her her partner was idiot. Like the captain was it wasn't a piece of shit for taking all the credit or whatever emotion. Yeah and same thing is you and then it was okay and then she takes out. I mean it was like I said it was here at sequence but she single handedly takes out entire police precinct. I'm like okay like that's not. I don't care about that being like fantastical but you're painting cops also in in a bad light and that sense. That's yeah so the Dow just kind of like just stuck out to me because I mean it's Gotham cops though it's awesome are let's go. Yeah so maybe but also cops and movies unless Michael Bay. They're pretty dumb that's cut okay. That's not good more so all right Nolan's got it. Only those are the only things that really kind of dampered prediction Ceylan mine calms are with the Choreography. A little bit there. Were just a couple things like because there was so much Kharafi it to me needed to be really really really fluid completely and there were too many times where I was like your. We're a little slow there. You're waiting I can see you reacting before anything happened. There's a couple of moments where I was like. Oh this is yeah because you have so many really great fight scenes that they were so minor but there are a couple couple of where I was like perfect anything for me but it was just like if that that would be one of them is because of them for me to see that fighting on the cat were the guy gets up. And he's like himself ten feet away for Colorado. Absolutely you power rangers. I heard your call. Joe I think Joe Sweden don't tell my it out doc doc turning on her mid new really sad yeah like I I know I know the point of it. I just liked liked. It's a personal baggage like there couldn't be one episode on that on that and that's kind of the thing I've talked about this before and this is like a kind of a tangent where it's like. I talked about racism and it's like sometimes people could be racist and smiling at the same time which sometimes fucking you and they're being nice about it. Yeah and that's kind of like the shitty thing about her life and it's like that's and so when I saw it I was like that was supposed to be me to be the old age guy with crazed cook land deliver love but then without that we don't movie and so we'll know when that happened like fuck and that's where it was kind of like you do feel that like fuck no one. Here's there's good and like that's kind of like the sad shit about maybe. Yeah why rent so cheap and everyone can leave. But Josh qualms comes I just have a couple only to now yeah. I don't know if it was the theater. 'cause that's the thing when you're when it's it's a mix it's tough. It's tough because I don't know if it's if it's a mix last last watch. There's always a mix problem when you say mixed knicks of what Margaritas There are a few spots that I couldn't understand the dialogue was it. I mean it could be the theater. That's the thing like where it was. I just couldn't understand it and so that was a little thing that I was like. Wait what did they just say Shooting and then the only other qualm I really had was was I felt like the end was a little anticlimactic in a sense that I felt like it was like sex superpower or DEO six. Grenade like there's was it felt a little anticlimactic for major And it it was a little bit. I had a A little bit of an inkling of believe ability where I had to really strong. I can't think of the term that you mentioned unstretched not yes suspension of disbelief. Where it's like I for a movie that has been so even though? Yeah the fight scenes have been fantastical antastic and all that kind of stuff. I had a hard time being like okay so we took out a whole horde of service begins by ourselves herself and then we have a superpower that shows up which I was like when second show show up and then it did at the end and then there's a car chase which was cool and and everything it was. Just that's what I felt like to me. I felt a little anticlimactic. If they didn't have her pass out I wouldn't have. I would have been like I should come sooner. Yes it's like a if if she does this she's out for the in. It's one of those things that It's not a qualm that ruins the movie in like. Yeah they have kind of set it up about how how she's holding back something and so. Yeah her passing out kind of made it makes sense because if she done earlier like okay now we fight the rest out her it also just that point that she passes out after it makes it so that she can't use all the time and so it's Kinda why don't you just. Oh right. That's what happens as in like and that's why I think in in Shonen anime. That's why I think fighting mechanics is so important because it's like if you know in my opinion is some new power it's like we'll fucking use that all the time then cost cost fucking heavy toll do it. You can't just snap. Vinnie garland because half your fucking body explodes snapped to you. Think that fingers all day For me it's a little bit of like I feel those things that you guys were all talking about and I think it's because of the budget really be the budgets less one hundred million dollars now. Most marvel movies are about three hundred or more million dollars so to me I think eight. That's all just those kind of things because I look at it as a small marvel movie. Yeah and so like I mean. Eighty million isn't even taking called blockbuster. Is your budget. Know what the fuck is like. It's usually one hundred. Eighty million is a blockbuster budget so Nolan's and working all the time too and so things like that where it's like I. I am seeing those scenes of like like if you look at every chasing they're driving it and fucking normal speed and unlike Qazir driving an La. They shot primarily in La. They didn't issue over like in Chicago Chicago Vancouver and in Atlanta. Those are the big places. They're shooting things like this in London as well and so when I see that I'm Kinda like maybe if you shot in those places you get the tax credit but also you're taking away jobs from non. La People who fucking moved to La for these fucking jobs. Yeah and so like yeah so seeing those things like I definitely would agree. Read those things but like to me like I saw the two meals just seeing the budget on the budget ends. I give this fucking does well. People fucking love it and critics are are liking it and I just wanted to have legs. So it's like fucking next when double the budget. Yeah because I think Harley Quinn and the birds of prey both deserve their own movies be fucking great now. Birds of prey movie harm Yeah so for me. honesty My only qualm other than that. It's probably I want more hunters. Yeah one more hunters because I I. I've really fell in love with her character because of the Arrow series And they did a really wonderful job in that show but they have fucking. Several hours is in a season yeah so IBM board that one of the things. That wasn't enough to make it a qualm but if they can drop the way too serious type of shit for for her yeah it gives you can come into her own a little more. I mean I would imagine it being like in that. Hate to use this term. It'd be like a kind of thing like they start. She starts getting like falling in line with their self and being like I can be serious and fun at the. Yeah it just by the end of it I was like okay blended now because you just said you would love to see birds of prey on movie proper do you. Because I don't know anything. Do you feel like this movie sets the possibility of that happening. Yeah the end of it. The exact they call themselves. Birds of prey was like there. You go and the team is that they have revolving leaders so everyone to me. I think that's why Chris Christine Hodson and is going to do is driving back girl Whose background is supposed to be one of the team members more whole technically? Yeah so we'll see what happens I I'll be down for just like birds of prey. It's it's all it's always called birds of prey but unlike and fantabulous dot part is. What's different every time? That'd be cool. Oh okay I liked each time I I would be cool Sheva as like the Villain Lady Shiva. She's like one of the assassins for League of shadows and she has never lost a hand to hand fight. Batman and Herb Never Really League concluded a fight interesting. So that's like the cool thing about it Ratings Raising Areso either. Josh Kayla's I o one qualified just because I remembered I you said it was at the top of the show. Said Marguerite does a good job. Most most of the time Mainly the problem I had was there was a couple of moments and I really wish I could remember the specific minds without where her accent fell apart. A little bit for me and I don't know if it was just something I was i. It wasn't wasn't it wasn't the police scene because that's he comes in with a British thing. That was fun but it was like. I can't remember where it was though I'm GonNa do what people did for Christian Bale L. and the Dark Knight and about the growly voice. He has one accent. He's eating an American accent. And in that American accent another accident so give them a God damn break in order to clarify. But it wasn't really like I'm a huge protecting fan right when he talked about. Why Abu no no no why What's his name? The King of voices for WB who did bugs Bunny Daffy Duck Melbourne Malinche Malinche saying he was so amazing. Because there's a scene he's like no other voice over artist. I think could do as well where he's doing. Bugs Bunny doing an impression of daffy which is the voice he he does. And then there's a he's doing daffy doing impression of bugs bunny which is another voice he does. Yeah so it's hard to find. How would a character? I do do an impression of a character I do. And how do I do that. So it's the same thing. How do American accent Australian accent American and then also a more rated like yeah? It's just not at like as as effortless as that. Accent can be sometimes from like native speakers but like I mean even to combat with slipping a little bit in black mass. Yeah that's why he's he's fucking great and those are people who are like great of what they do benedict. Cumberbatch was slipping in black mask by mass. There he did. He did a Boston accent. And I was like sounds like Peter Griffin. I'll I'll give a shout out the black mask. Laurie never slipped once during house. I don't know how he did it. Anyway Albanian Albania rating so Kaelin or Josh. Josh Josh. Because Kaelin always always makes people I yeah I give it a four point five wild rouser wells allows allows a while is it from Atlanta. Go ahead four point seven four. I liked it and now I wanNA duck egg sandwich. Ali I give this a three point nine. I mean it just didn't ultimately it didn't come together as cohesively wanted to and I wanted a bit more stylish because I didn't make earlier. Stylized wanted more highly stylized stylist. Okay require me. Four point eight four point if we we have an anti-crime corey down day we have to crumbs three point nine. And I'm the DC boy. I'm I'm doing great. I don't WanNa do it though. Shout out to no one voted for actually. So you have just a shout to jared and Brock who guests. Tom You nailed it. You're the guest guest jumper nail that for me. It's like it's not the same. Aim is other DC films. I'M NOT GONNA try to make it be one of those but is one of those like I really really really enjoy the film but I call it one of those masterpiece films. And that's why I think like if Harley Quinn gets a fucking sequel. I think it's going to be like that Spiderman too dark Knight Shit not but for me this cream of the crop being put put a Magin. How warm more? That's hey you don't have to convince me. I just gave it a four point. I know that's the one thing I'm more. I'm so excited for where it goes. Yes so excited for where. That's part of it. Ah Part of my part of my rating is the excitement. Be Seeing for me. It was highly stylized like my experience in comparison to the other one way more stylized than any any other comic movie. Yeah I mean even within the DC. You even aquaman was really bright and colorful but this was like the they play with light they with a lot of light and water but this one airplane thing with everything. Yeah but also being like A. I actually put this kind of like a grounded area. So it's a little bit more natural so the style ization was like per se. Like Kellyanne is pulling herself to become like you know. I hate to say it was like putting someone else's name on it. It's like an almost edgar writing us and where I'm like that's the style I want and like not a lot of other superhero films gave you that. Like I don't think other than maybe kick ass gives you a style like that. Gives you vibrancy and lightness business with characters and companies from the the way they treated her egg seen escape better than any Guy Ritchie escape movie Looking at you Ladan that that scene alone I was like I'm fucking care more about got a fucking sandwich. Oh my God I have about a lot of characters and a lot of like how she when she get punched in the face and kind of like blacks out on the dance sequence. Oh my God that was good. The Dynamics Argos best friends all the weird mask the thing that I thought I liked about it was kind of their take on like how her mind works. Yeah exactly it's like it's not. She doesn't live by the same rules that we do. So like in my mind if I were to act like I'm being crazy astle but in her mind she thinks that the world in like a like the dancing like that. Oh like the world makes so much more sense. When you see that that as my wife Sarah moment yeah I also like what they did is because the thing that people I think seem to forget about Harley Quinn is that she has a PhD? Maya psychoanalyze are when she's like how do so I get to be you and she just tells this whole like then you gotta do this and then you gotta maker is got. She's like we have to do these things like a little twitch by the way I'm not paying for this stuff I'm robbing this place to change and shot in. That was fucking great because he goes from just a regular to shot and the camera then goes sits. It's in the car and like those sequences like adventure land suffolk that where it's like there. Are these teen skater. Romp films are I'm like I'm I'm fucking love that Shah and that just that energy of like something really. I've always wanted to make one of those shots. One of these days. She reminded me a lot of like the animated series Harley early which made me like her a lot more than I have like the previous when she was Harley and suicide squad did not her fault it. Yeah I know but it just didn't land right. Excuse like Manic Pixie dream right. Yeah but but this was like what I wanted senator to be and it was perfect of her being psycho but normal but not but crazy. I don't know it's great silently disagreeing suicide squad across the table a little bit. I said a little bit Gush. We've been gushing. Here's since away everybody at home. Thank you so much for listening to us. We really do appreciate it. And we We dig that you spend this time with us to hang out and here are here are our discussions. Please reach out to us. We'd love to hear your thoughts on birds of prey or reach out to us live at our show. Remember remember the seventh of March. Two and timber now participate and we we love you guys and we'll know if you don't Shoah and we'll come for you but do do check that out nerd on dot I object slash live. RSVP we would love to see RSVP as a VIP. If you don't show up I'll show up to your house tire Arou- that at the top of my break like showing you yes. Please stop by rating reviews wherever you listen that stuff does help us grow feel nice the NBA check out our our partners apogee and Odyssey they really do create some amazing products. 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Birds of Prey and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Bonus Episode!

The Cinema Guys

14:13 min | 11 months ago

Birds of Prey and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Bonus Episode!

"Hey welcome into some cinema guys. Bonus content burs time time if you're a patron of the show. You're getting this before anybody else doesn't it? Sounds like you to read. Sometimes I'm ever John Radio John Raphael's to reds for the rest of the rest of the shows. Like I have to Ritz so I just say things does. This mean we're allowed to Costa's of its bonus content bonus content. Hey Patriots you're getting something you'd never heard before why not? Whoa you guys have dirty mouth. I'd say things like that in case you're a parent of one of us. I don't want to say curse words. I don't but go to Patriot dot com slash cinema guys and we will start putting up some of this this contest. Will Baroness eventually come out for other people too so they can hear what this bonus what what am. I not getting. I'm not getting out Johnson. Exactly cares I'm not words I gotTA give dollar. They always just hear me bleeped for this verse bonus. We are doing birds of prey because we didn't get a chance to vote on it. What's the entire title of the film? Well new title or the original title original title was birds of prey was a marvelous. And it's a patient patient of one Harley Quinn ochre and now come Harley Quinn Colon. Birds OF PREY. I didn't know they did all that when I think they should have. Just recently called this movie just Charlie or like suicide squad should have said at the emancipation Harlequin. I like emancipate. That's really what the movie's about by taking the whole birds of prey out of the title just made it fabulous emancipation of one. Harlequin. That's enough for me. I thought I honestly thought that movie was called. And that's what the movie was exactly. That movie was a non a birds of prey film. No they're barely in it. Why as I understand. The birds of prey from the comic books have huntress which is in the film. He have Harley Quinn. You have Barbara Gordon who's back girl. We'll have a you have all kinds of cool characters and none of them are Rosie Perez. And whatever stupid character. She's playing means nothing to the film. She's part of it in some way but I don't know her like anyways. Mild thing was the birds of prey. Were the last like five minutes of the movie like L. Well this isn't a birds of prey film. This is Harley Quinn Film. Yeah it was fully a Harley Quinn. Movie characters were underdeveloped and didn't matter like she was the important part so stick with her. We don't need these other things. I I thought that was dumb. The birds of prey part. I liked her yeah. I I'd like her as Harley. Quinn I think she plays a good Harley Quinn entertain I li- I heard people say they were annoyed with her. But I my whole thing was. You should be annoyed at a Harley Quinn Film. You should be annoyed at her. Like she's annoying character like that is thing. Have you ever seen the animated series that she was having spent with? Yeah now I thought she's doing a really good job and I thought it was fun. I thought it was exciting. The the reason I guess I went through and a half and not hire was Way We haven't given our meeting. I did three and did three. And a half. Yes cinnamon you also did. Three and a half correct. Yeah I gave it a four. So it wasn't that much higher than I really nice. There's a few points. I was bored with like there was one flashback. That was so long that was like are we still in the flashback or we monitor and that was an. I thought it was boring. I was like hi. You lost me at this. I checked out because it was too much too much of a flash at you. Both of you saw it before I did and after I came out I said to me it was like a John Wayne movie mixed with tank girl. Just both call that you'd like it more than both of us. Yeah you did and I did. I only half storm or but I really had fun with it. I hate the other character and I thought she was fun. I thought it was reliable in Zany of Harley. Quinn movie would be. I thought the story was kind of weird. Like all of it was about a getting a diamond from a girl fine. Who Cares but I thought the other birds. I thought that I think the thing that has birds of prey. I know what that is. I read the birds of prey comic books so I was like. Oh this isn't bird the pray. Why do they even say that? Because the other characters were pretty hardly in it and underdeveloped in kind of like I would have liked to seen more of black canary and because even her powers just kind of like oh she could just come out and all of a sudden and blow these guys away with her scream right. You can kind of side a little earlier. When she's singing. The song had broken glass. You didn't think the extended for power huntress. I liked her quirkiness. She kinda Kinda odd on. Sarah socially awkward. Yeah all of them. I mean it was a hard. They were all kind of minor characters in the movie. Made her more exciting like what they did with like her was exciting. The hunters like they made fun of the fact that she everyone called her the the crossbow killer who killer but it was never her as an actress that was funny yet thought she was kind of dry all the women except for Harley. Were dry like they didn't do anything with them by love. They were minor characters. They were just in the background but they should but her story movie was titled After Them. So I feel like shit the minor. That's why I thought was weird. I loved you McGregor Scherzer. I thought he did a Zany kind of weird insane unpredictable. Bad guys and the thing with him though you know. He's the black mass which is a big deal in the in the Batman Story. But he doesn't put it on the very end who he was what he was so in the comic book the Black Mask had this black mask on that he couldn't take off. It was like you know face and so you never knew who he was. There was never like you never knew who the but this one you know who he is. Yeah and when he put the black mask on and the end he's still know everyone knows that we as like what's the point of putting on a mask. I don't understand this point. Yeah you all know who you are even the characters around you know who you are like. Why are you put on a mask but I did? Liking IS COOL. I liked his. I guess it would be his number one guy the guy. He's a comic book character as well. I thought he was shot him. Yeah is fine. I thought it was good. I just thought Rosie Perez was a dry character who yeah about. Anyone could've played that part yet. Anyone could have been anything. It didn't matter it did. She didn't do anything special in the end where they put together like super team. I thought that was it was weird. The girlfriend was pretty cool. Do agree in the basement part. That was pretty fun. I really liked the The police station where she comes in. Well yeah that was great guy. Grinning yeah can I help you? Yes yes you can. I'm here to deport headed crime. And what terrible crime is that? This one with the sparkle bullets and the beanbags and go is a fun different way to fight which I did like. And then when the cocaine's all around earning. Oh yeah okay now I can. No one in the theater laughed at that part. I laughed out loud. Audience like that part. Just didn't it didn't land with anybody but I. I laughed as soon as they saw them. Shoot in the white powder fell down. I laughed really loud and no one laughed. What did they laugh at anything? That was weird. No fit laugh at all. I WanNa just a very quiet audience. I did like No I was so I heard another another critique. Say That because they mentioned the joker so much. It should've shown him in the beginning just to say. Hey this is the same Gerry Lennon. Signed the contract you get kind of just like back of head glimpse. Don't you of like you get that you get that you get the dry and then the royal but he is mentioned he has mentioned a lot? And don't you think that he like you? Mcgregor's underworld crime area. Don't you think the joker have if he's you know the evil Prince of gotham wouldn't he have have a little little or point? If this big of a thing is happening he wouldn't have known where's bet man exactly like Batman would've known that there is all the crime lords in the world are getting together to fight these four girls leg bent. I mean they're in your Gotham. What area of Gotham is like East? Gotham or whatever is they said like. I said he's I never count Batmans area. He's like I don't I don't deal with that area I let night wing. Have that or Robin. They were taking the day off. Yeah I thought it was good. That was fine. I didn't I was in entertain those fun. I didn't hate it. It wasn't suicide squad. Suicide Squad had its moments but million this many. I did like it much more. I now I like some of the suicide squad jokes they put in it where they have the picture boomerang on the wall. And she's like I know that guy and he's Kinda low fun with it but when she blows up his giant factory. Don't you think something else? Yeah I'm sure the jokers was like. Oh that Harley feel like comic book films might like it. You Mike. Dc might like it. How do you feel about the DC EU? Because you know they. They tried to do everything as a full while they were and now they way at any love than any of the marvel films did so well done on them right with joker joker. Yeah but they. Fokker got more loved than any in those films than any Marvel film ever did but after. Yeah what marvel film ever was nominated for a Kademi Award and best actor like none of them. All Black Panther was nominated for best picture yet. None of the actors I'm just saying and it didn't win. But how how do you think the way that they've decided to? After Justice League side okay. Maybe we shouldn't do this shared universe because I call but they kind of backed away. It's still kind of interwoven. A little bit but not like jokers separate from everything and then they're having Robert Pattinson the Batman which is was separate. Just hope they don't tell another origin story of Batman. We don't need another one. We just need a ivory excited for that Belen. I want to hear about the wains and them dying to happen. But everytime y'all know literally any knows like everyone knows Santa Claus and Jesus we all know Batman Story. Let's just have a story where we get? What happened and now is the Batman. I don't need to see his origin story for the Owen. Does he. Time or flash OR SPIDERMAN. I mean they again. They even put his origin story in the joker. Right which sugar they need to be in there. I thought it was pretty good. It was a different perspective. It was it was but again. Like okay okay. So it's off topic in joker where you convince it he were. They were brothers there for a second. Because I was for a second I was going to do. This are needed to make. This is going to happen for real. I think this might happen. That's what I did think because in my mind. I thought like if they do this. I'm really gonNA hate this summer. I might stand up and walk out the end. I thought they were going to have him kill his parents to and don't do it. Don't do that don't do that. They didn't which birds of prey. It was good. It was fine. It was fine. Fine look forward to more. Dc We have. I'll probably aside squad it. I'll probably have it on my TV. While I'm doing something in my house I'll definitely watch it again for sure. Thank you for listening to this. Bonus content veer patriot. You got to hear it before anyone else. I hope it was worth patriotic money. I hope so. I look forward to doing more of these and until next time. Bye Nine only pill.

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GSMC SCi Fi Podcast Episode 68: Into Spiderverse, Harley Quinn and Dark Phoenix

GSMC SciFi Podcast

39:44 min | 2 years ago

GSMC SCi Fi Podcast Episode 68: Into Spiderverse, Harley Quinn and Dark Phoenix

"Football is my train for Spencer jeans complaint from me. Beverly Hills up the whole game is about to change. Now belonging, this is your way out from executive producer. Greg Berlanti comes the new show inspired by the incredible true story masking you play for something bigger now because when you do you be unstoppable, all American series premiere right after the season premiere of Riverdale tonight on the CW. It all starts at eight PM Riverdale followed by all American only on DC w fifty Washington CW. Golden State media concepts, side podcast. Gather. We dive into the world of sidebar in science-fiction from episodes of Star Trek Star Wars to walk resident in all the hub, science fiction movie from the FEC yours marvel or DC Golden State media concepts, Sifi pipe cats, you'll never foot get signed stations the same way again. Hello there. Everybody. This is Jay snook here for the m. c. Sifi podcast brought to you by the GS MC podcast network, and we have some more some big Spearman news for you. So so first of all, it got released God, I wanna say it before comic con they announced doing this movie called Spiderman into the spider verse, which in the it's a big deal because we could see miles, you know, Spiderman, which we haven't really seen in an animated movie medium before we haven't seen much of he's gotten bigger in the comics. Lately, there's been some reasons for that and the very first for the we saw for this was a big deal because you saw miles and Peter Parker, you know together again, you haven't really seen much before and you get to see where for some reason, these two Spiderman are in the same universe. But they're actually from different universes. And as the fairy first trailer moved along, you also saw spider Gwen, which is another spider hero version that again is from another universe. Now, in this, I really didn't know that. But in that I read are all you saw was those three spider people, it's all you saw, and and there was at the end, of course, a big joke about, you know, like wait until comic con in miles liquid has come on and he gets taken away and hickama kind you gotta see a trailer that told you a little bit more about the movie. And again, you know, you heard to, hey, there's going to be, you know, more spider people spider heroes in this nNcholas cage going to be going to play one of the versions and you got to see more action. You got to see a bit more of miles world, you know, and how he lived and how his life was and how he had these powers, but he clearly knows just getting the hanging. Them. He didn't know them that well or how to handle them that well or things like that. And we saw bit more of him and Peter Parker interacting and bit more action in the second trailer. The one that was shown at comic con and things like that. So we knew a basic gist of this movie end, you know that it was going to be a bunch of different spider characters coming together to stop some threat. You know, not sure why not even really sure why or how that all come together. It was all the mystery case. Somehow, all these spider characters are going to come together all these spider heroes, but we don't know why we don't know how, and we don't really know what the threat is. Just we knew, hey, it's gonna be this Amit film that clearly is going to kind of have miles being, you know, the star, which even on the new sperm and cartoon. That's not really how miles is miles is you know a spider, a Spiderman of sorts. But Peter Parker is the star, but not miles. So. So this is a big deal, you know, and in this new trailer that released recently, we add to get to see a lot. Again, we see more of miles. We could see some more Peter Parker, but we find out just how all these spider characters come together. So a super clever gets created. I'm not sure if miles himself created if someone else creates it, and it brings all these spider characters together. They're all together. We have spider ham, spider Gwen. We have, you know, miles Spiderman. We have Peter Parker spider, man. We have another spare, man. This has been a close cage and they're all coming together and we at you, see the kingpin is going to be in this two and kingpin. You know, in previous spider iterations has been a very powerful villain. Very dangerous Villena Villena and that is not easy to bring down. And so he's going to be big win in this. There's some series character that's chasing around. You know miles for some reason and at she was also a really cool. I'm at the end of venom. There is a second after credit scene regatta. See a bit more. This movie a bit more miles a bit more appear Parker and some mysterious villain there you know running from. So we got to see that which is really cool and I, it's at the end of the film, I highly recommend you wait for it because you see a lot of really cool stuff out of it. So in this new trailer, we ask you learn a bit more about these different spider characters, a little bit more about spider Gwen you to see a little bit of spider ham and action. We get to see. Like I said, this is the first one we get to see nNcholas cage is Spiderman with stiffly clearly comes from a different universe from the other one's darker maybe or Noir. And you know this threat that's going on where the supercollider bottled these different Spiderman together. And it looks like by what this trailer says that if this supercollider isn't shut down, you know there's going to be nowhere for all these spider characters go back to. So we're gonna see, you know a number of these spider characters in action coming together. We get to see kinda reactions of of of each other and kind of how they see each other. We also get to see, you know, just there's a really cool scene where they're all together on the ceiling trying to, you know, hide from a friend of miles, which is really, we could see some more scenes of his dad who happens to be a police officer and we get to see what he thinks Spider-Man, which he's not too excited for him or likes him or things like that. And yeah, a really good feel of, you know what the animation this film school Glick which is looks amazing. By the way we get to see again them serious villain. We see. Kingpin Wilson Fisk and he has dastardly plan. Clearly, you know, maybe the supercollider maybe with some of the Spiderman. We're not really sure spider people. I should say. We get to see, you know, I think a bit more of spare going without her mask which we hadn't really seen in previous trailers. And and clearly spider ham is going to have some comic relief moments to be really cool. And yet is trailers. Just really, really huge. You could see so much about this movie that you hadn't seen before and you see how different some of the universes are, and they're from different universes, which hadn't really been said in previous trailers, fans knew that, but it hadn't been said in previous trailers. So that's a big deal to see. Oh yeah, they're not. They're admitting they're from different universes. And I believe too, that just from what I know of, you know, this kind of series and mind you, this isn't the first time we've had a bunch of inspired characters together. Toward the end of these Spiderman cartoon the nineties. We had something similar happen with there was like, you know, a weird kind of like war battle that spare men went to to stop another Spider-Man in another universe had the carnage symbiotic, and a number of different sputter characters came together. We had never different Spiderman. We had scarlet spider. We had a number of different characters, so this isn't the first one together, but this is the first one I get to see them in this way. Again, this time miles is the main character not Peter Parker. So what do I personally this trailer? I think this trailer is amazing. It gives me really pump for this movie. It was great to see some. These other spider characters in action. Finally get to meet some of them. 'cause we again, we haven't really met some of them in previous trailers, and we get to see again, you know how dangerous this threat is and how they all come together and how you know imperatives to get them all. Back to the universes before it's too late and we'd been good seal. Part of like, I think one of the few of the buildings kinda starting to fall apart or have something happen then because of what's going on with super supercollider thing. Right? And there's some mysterious character that we have seen in previous system comes six kind of goblin monster type thing. I don't really know much about that. How that plays in the other ones. I think we get to see. I believe it's prowler don't quote me on that, but we see prouder in this trailer bit, and he seems to be a really good thread, powerful threat that miles may not be fully prepared to take on. And we see in this trailer to the in a miles is kind of getting the hang of being sperm, it's kind of happening, right? Because I believe what's happened in his universe is the spider man that was before him. I don't think it's around anymore. I don't know what happened to him or why he's not around anymore, but he's not around anymore. So he kind of has to take on the mantle and get the hang of doing it. And we get to see a cool scene in here to where we see Peter. Parker from other universe and miles come together and kind of like, you know, he kind of like, you know, is kind of train him him to be, you know, Spiderman, which is really, really cool to see. I think it was a really fun scene. And yeah, I think this movie is gonna be absolutely amazing. Sony Pictures of nation is doing it. And yeah, I, I am personally very, very excited for this movie. It comes out around Christmas, I'm not sure when in December I don't think on the twenty fifth, maybe the week before a couple of days before. But yeah, if you haven't seen this trailer, check this trailer out. It is definitely mind blowing it some parts and I don't know about, you know, other fans, but definitely gives me a lot of hope for this film and definitely pumps up my excitement for this movie. So other than that we have, that's all I have to say about this trailer at this point, and now we're gonna take yourselves a short little break, and we back in a bit. Football is my train for Spencer James. I want to complain from me Beverly Hills. The whole game is about to change. Now belong here. This is your way out from executive producer. Greg Berlanti comes the new show inspired by the incredible true story masking you play for something bigger now because when you do you be unstoppable, all American series premiere right after the season premiere of Riverdale tonight on the CW. It all starts at eight PM Riverdale followed by all American only on DC w fifty Washington CW football is my train for Spencer James complaint from me Beverly Hills. The whole game is about to change. Now belonging, this is your way out from executive producer. Greg Berlanti comes the new show inspired by the incredible true story mashing you play for something bigger now because when you do you be unstoppable, all American series premiere right after the season from euro Riverdale tonight on the seat of it. All starts at eight PM Riverdale followed by all American only on DC w fifty Washington CW. One of find out what movies to go. See then check out the GMC movie podcast. It's your ticket to the latest movies, whether it's a new blockbuster event romantic comedy or action flick, this show has got it all covered. They talk some what to go. See now don't bother what's hot on Netflix and everything in between that GMC podcast dot com back slash movie dash podcast. When it's all about the movies, it has to be this new show. Don't forget to like on Facebook and follow them on Twitter, visit GS MC podcast dot com for more info. Hello there. Everybody. This is Jay. Snuck back for more scifi news for us. So this weekend, we had newer comic con happen out in New York, of course, and they showed us a lot of cool trailers for Lada news shows a lot of coming shows and mind you before we got to see this little teaser about tell you about we because before this, it's back before that. So this new streaming service come out called DC universe, which I don't know if I've talked on here before where it's streaming service, where they're going to have a bunch of new enemies shows and live action shows. Titans is going to be on the other going to have a live action. Swamp things. Show the doing doom patrol thing as a cartoon show. They're bringing back young Justice for season three, which fans of weeded many years for that, and it looks really amazing, and they're also doing a Harley Quinn cartoon now before a recently. All we knew as other doing Harling. Quin cartoon. Great. We didn't know anything about it. They announced that Kili CoCo, which I hope I said that right from the big bang theory is going to be lending her voice to Harley Quinn on this cartoon. And it's kind of funny because when they did Batman and Harley Quinn was a DC did I think about a year or two ago now. We had burnt the girl who is Bernadette on the big bang theory, do Harley Quinn on that. So now this is the second woman from the big bang theory to be voicing Harley Quinn. And I'll give you a short little history Harley. Quick in case you don't know if you do. It's kind of cool lesson anyway. So Harley Quinn was not someone who had been isn't a brand new care to process. She's been around maybe twenty something years now, but she got started on a Batman damaged series and it's just like they said, hey, you know what? Let's give Batman, you know, I mean not Batman joker. Sorry, joker a, you know, a a love interest is sorts, and it was originally Harley Quinn. And as the series went on we, hey, she's be Dr. Harley Quinn Zell. She was at one time, you know, doctor for the joker and overtime knows she develops this attraction to him. It's never fully clear if he really feels the same way she does, but she develops. Attracts from. She helps break out of Arkham and becomes Harley Quinn, and the rest is history, you know, and he's not always at greater hurries abusive physically, verbally, things like that, but she can't help herself. She loves him. She's in love with him. We gotta learn a lot about their history actually in a show the episode they did called mad love. And since she got introduced on bet, mid series, fans loved her. She's a very popular character. She lot of people of the 'cause plays her. And in recent years she's had some chances used to be in a hey issue is just always telling, you know, connected to the joker, there's just who she was now in Batman Harley Quinn. There is no joker. It's just Harley Quinn and you know, and she's helping Batman and night wing, you know, stop poison Ivy from doing this with the Franck man. In the comics. The same thing has happened. They're doing stories now. It's not just, hey, Harley Quinn. Oh yeah. The joker, the joker and Harley Quinn. They're starting to veer away from that. They did now. To DC and movies where was Batman assault on Arkham where we do see, you know the joker in her, but she's not like, oh, hey, joker putting love. You know, she's very, not happy with him at on anti-trust, shoot him and kill him. And then the more recent when they did, which was I think a year ago now, no in March. So it was in March of this year. It's called suicide squad held pay where we don't see joker at all. It's Harley Quinn and some of the rest of the people on the suicide squad, you know, doing a mission for Amanda Waller. So we don't see the joker at all. And I believe the comics have gone that way now to where they're kind of doing more Harley Centric stories, stories with her and Ivy like there was a graphic novel. I read recently that was called a Harley and Ivy meet Betty and Veronica were there in Riverdale and hilarity ensues and hijinks ensued a really good comic by the way, a highly recommend it. But yeah, like they're starting to go in the direction. If we're, you know what Harley. Quin doesn't necessarily need to be just on the side of the joke anymore. She can have her own stories and our own, you know, adventures and our own things going on. And that's kind of how it's been veering. And so getting to this little teaser and it is pretty much just a teaser we get to hear. Kili Cuco you know, is introduced herself a little bit as Harley Quinn. We see in her cell at Arkham asylum. I've e courses in there with her hither, cocoa Kaley, cocoa Harley Quinn is very excited for the show's very pumped about it. You know, tells a little bit about it. Poison Ivy is not so pumped about it or excited and says, people aren't gonna like the, you know, it's going to be a waste of time. It's going to do terrible, and you know, Harley Quinn is very, no, that's not going to be the case, can be this great show. It's going to be this awesome show. You're gonna love it. You need to check it out. Check it out, check it out, check it out and she's very pumped the whole way through and the very end we get to see. Thing with a Batman, which is kind of funny and yes, so we just get to see a very little glimpse into the show, and we also get told that it doesn't come out till next year. Now at comic con I thought it was coming out soon that maybe I'm wrong, but I thought it was coming out soon that so it's not coming out next year. The streaming service I believe is supposed to be coming out in the next couple of months. I think don't quote me on that. I think that's what it's supposed to come out. So like I think I'll when I first heard Killick loco is going to be Harley Quinn. I'm like, oh, really? Not terrorist strong, not someone else. Okay. That's been odd choice. But at the same time, alad mitt, it's not a terrible choice either. It's really not. I, I could see her doing it and and it's been shown on social media like Facebook and Twitter. She's very pumped doing it. She's very excited doing it to get the voice, this character, and she wants to bring her own spin on it. Calling people the past have like Arleen Sorkin was the original voice of Harley Quinn than it was terrorist strong. And now, like I said, it's been it was burning it on the big bang theory for the movie, and now it's Kelly cocoa so she wants put on spin on it. She wants to be like, you know, empowering and all that. And it looks like it's going to be that way and yeah, like, but I'm still curious of what is this show really going to be about what is really what's really going to happen? You know, where's it going to begin? Because in this teaser we see she's in Arkham asylum, and we see that like, you know, poison Ivy. So it's going to be her and poison Ivy, which makes sense because we gotta see on the ninth on the Batman damage series. We got to see there were some episodes of Harley, Quinn and poison Ivy working together. So we gotta see that we. Aw, there was kind of interaction there and you know, they want some adventures when she was away from the joker for a while. They've always kind of had their little dynamic. That's like a friendship, a sorts. There's what we've kind of seen. And again, we we've seen on some other stuff to selected. They've had a connection, they've got a friendship of sorts, and they do care about each other in a way as best as each can. I guess. And again, Batman Harley, Quinn. We got to see you know how their relationship was because even Harley Quinn, you know, new, hey, you know, I've e- what you're doing is just it's wrong. You're trying to like, you know, permits destroy the world and I'm sorry, I live in the world, not okay with this. So we got to see that. And I will say this, like, you know, hearing Kili, CoCo do point Harley Quinn. I like how it sounds, and you can definitely, you can tell just even this little clip you can in this little tease, you can tell that, you know her energy is really, really high, which. Harley Quinn usually should be Harley Quinn. You should have a lot of energy into, like kinda has a really good outlook on life. Even things are bleak, even things seem bad, even things seem hopeless. She's going to percents, like outta work out, you know, and is really excited about it. And this it's shown in recent interational actually read another graphic novel that was called, what was it called? It was called Justice league no Justice where she was the same way like it was a very dire situation where the universe was endangering. She was again, like, you know, a comic relief is sorts, but also kind of like, you know, the shining light in the bleak in the bleakness of the situation. So that's kinda hard Quinn has become lately, of course, that's remembered to that from her original costume, Batman, the as series. Her costume has changed from the new fifty two series that if you don't know, that happened with the whole flashpoint paradox, which is a situation that happened with Barry Allen in the comics that pretty much changed everything by. Decision he made and if you wanna see a really good example of that, you know, of course see that on the flash series and is also an end and movie that they did a DC movie called the flashpoint perks. You can see like, you know the severity of what he did there, and he didn't think, you know he had good intentions, but it really had dire reprecussions for the c. you know universe as whole afterwards. It just did so. Yeah. So it changes us. She looks and in suicide squad show that so that she looked very different and wasn't the character she was played by Margot Robbie. So yeah, overall, I think it's going to be a good show. I'm excited for it. I definitely want to see more like to see a bit learn a bit more about the show, like is it going to be heard and Harley Quinn? It's going to be her in the suicide squad is going to be just her on her own. I mean, is she still in Arkham as she had to Arkham? I'd like to know these things. I'm definitely wanna know more, but it's a good little window into the show. And into what it's going to see where it's going to go and where it's going to be. So yeah, I'm looking forward to it. There is no release date yet into those nineteen minutes coming into those nineteen. That's all that's known at this point. But yeah, I'm, I'm excited. I I definitely like, you know, wanna know more, but I think it's going to be cool. And I think that Kelly cocoa for this interational Holly Quin they're doing, it's going to be a good call. It's going to be a good choice. So yeah, so that's all I have to say about that this moment. 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I tunes soundcloud and Google play. Hello there. Everybody. This is Jay. Snuck back for some more scifi news for you. So the last bit of news I have for you for this episode is we finally got ourselves a dark Phoenix trailer, and so the x-men films have had their ups and downs. The first one was really good brought kind of gave us Hugh Jackman as wolverine, which was another iteration that change the character and the way fence all the character. SOS really interesting how they did that and you know, introduce us, you know, Patrick Stewart as trials, executor and indicate lane as you know, magneto and had triple h as sabertooth. And yeah, it was a really good film and the sequel we gotta see lady strike, and it was another really good film where the crew came together again, and there was a bigger threat this time. And then we got ourselves x three, which, yeah, it was kind of a poor ending for this trilogy where we had the whole dark Phoenix saga come up where Jean grey, you know, has this entity inside her something, and it's driving her into dark place and they're talking about there's a cure for x. men for mutants now, which was really weird turn to take. There's a point where mystique at you gets turned human magneto is trying to create this. You know, group of Younes to lake, you know, stop the humans from curing them and we have where Jean grey, you know, kills tro savior. She kills Scott. And in the end, you know, I don't think it's a spoiler because the movie's been out for while you know wolverine has to kill her. But wolverine of course agree loves her. So it's really hard for them to do it so. And this was. A bad movie because they put so many mutants in than they put too many. They crammed altogether a lot and we didn't getting station at all. Yeah, we had, you know, we gotta see bees, which is really cool. So we see him for the verse, but it was just overall not that great of a movie. Then many years later we got a movie called x. men first class, which was all the heroes, and they were younger kinda when they originally came together, how Charles eighth year. And you know, Eric Lesher I think I said that right magneto came together how they kinda originally wanted to, you know, join a create this team and teach these people how to use their powers and become a part of a team that we see as real, who I think is the father of is the father of God. What's his name? Thing. I can't remember his name right now, but they is of the blue version, the blue mutant that can teleport like him. I, it's end something. I'm sorry, it's on my tongue, but you know, so we get to see him. We get to see, you know, even how magneto and you know, Tra my Neto mystique, and Charles aver kind of became friends, and we're kind of partners for a while. Others a character played by Kevin bacon called Sebastian Shaw who you know believes has a very different view on humans and how they should be treated, how we should treat them. And it was a really good movie. Did a very good job of kind of restarting the John and starting on strong. No, we gotta see, you know how Charles Avery, you know, ends up in his wheelchair. There's a cool little cameo where they go to wolverine and he, you know, is not too excited to see them to say the least, you know, I won't say what he says. But yeah, he's not too excited to see them. And as an interesting what they're doing right now, then we got. Days feature pass, which is a very big in the comments, very big thing where it takes place in the future and the sentinels and mutants being hunted and killed and destroyed. So it's a really big deal. And I think that it of very, very good job with the movie. They didn't amazing job of the movie. They took a difficult story to tell and told it amazingly, they did a very good job bring this story to life. So it was a hard story to tell, but they did it. And I think it's one of the probably the best exit movies they've done yet. I mean that it's really, really good, and then we got a few years later x men apocalypse, which on the other spectrum is probably one of the worst x-men movies I have ever seen. We have Oscar Isaac's as apocalypse. You know, we have a lot of the same carrots come back there to his new ones like storm angel and number different characters. But another emerges that well, they're not just strongly. We to see a little bit of the Phoenix thing here, but he. Just I remember seeing this movie in the bay area actually before it came out now, just like there was really not anything. I could say nice about it was that poorly made it was that bad. So come to modern times. We, we're getting another x. men movie and it's supposed to place ten years later after the last was last month he was in the seventies, and this was supposed to be in the eighties and man. Where do I begin with this movie and just with this trailer. So with this movie the, it's the same actors. They don't look ten years younger at least not in my opinion. And one of my problems of this movie just in general is we've or they're going to do the dark Phoenix saga, right? Which we are ready got into movie heck we had in the cartoon in the nineties. So this isn't like the first time we've gotten this, and I don't know. I just when I heard this with how bad apocalypse was like, why would you even do another movie? 'cause pockets really was just a disappoint. I think fans no fan. I don't think like that movie. I don't think so. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think they did. So why are you doing another exit movie at all? Makes absolutely no sense to me. And so then we have where we finally get this trailer. We get to see a bit what's going to go on what's going to happen. There's a lot of action. There's a lot of drama. There's a lot of motion by, you know, Jean grey, Sophie Turner, which I think he's a good Jean grey. Don't be wrong, but I'm still not too excited for the movie. And then we also we have again where you know, we get to see where the the team is scared for her. They're worried about or what do they do for her. We get to see magneto, you know, and you know, tros lever trying to come together to, you know about this dangerous threat that's coming. And at this point he was like, you know, Charles, I don't care. And at this point, Charles doesn't have all his hair finally. But yeah, this trailer. I have to say, I'm not too sold on it. I'm not too sold in this movie. I'm not too excited for this movie and I don't know it. Maybe it just didn't do that well of job of, you know, selling the movie to me because it just and it's, it's also because at least I've seen this story few times before it's kind of predictable it's going to happen. You know, it's not this big shock of, oh, it's going to happen. Now, I will say, what is club out this trailer is you get a find out bid about Jean Grey's pass that I didn't know you could see, you know her with her parents where I guess either she thinks she is responsible. Maybe she was responsible for her parents dying, you know? So that was kind of interesting to see. And you get to see a little bit of like, you know where tro savers tried to help her in the past. And you know, again, it's where like, you know, the the, the dark Phoenix starts to come out of her and she can't control and she's still rage and anger and aggression. And you know, she's not really. Being, you know, the x. person that I think that people think she should be your hope she should be. So there's a lot of action in this trailer. There's some cool scenes. It's are real first actual look at the movie. So that's kind of cool. This movie has already been pushed back. I think, at least once or twice we supposed to get a release date of February next year. I think I've heard it already got pushed back again to think like June now of next year. So I don't know for me when a movie gets pushed back that much and keeps getting pushed back, it doesn't give me much hope for that movie. It just doesn't. You know, like I almost want to like this movie and be excited for this movie, but I don't even see a reason for this movie being made just don't. I mean, I'm just like we already got this before and that one wasn't that good. It just wasn't. Why would you do this again? I don't understand. I can't gra-. Asp it just it can't. It doesn't make sense me a why. Let's do another one of these enlist story already done. It's why. I mean, at least when they did x. men first class and they did days future passing even did apocalypse as bad as that was at least we hadn't gotten those stories before we hadn't seen them in in, like, you know, a a movie version. We had seen, you know, the dark Phoenix saga on the cartoon. I wanna say we had seen apocalypse bit on the cartoon, but we never saw them in the movies before ever in the movies ever done. We haven't seen them. So at least it made sense to do them. This doesn't make any sense to do that. Do it. It just doesn't. It's like, even though it's a good cast nNcholas holders. Great. James McEvoy is great. You know, Sophie Turner is great. It's a good cast of people. It's just guys, we don't need this movie. We just don't. I don't really think we need to even do it. There's no point. So this is the movie where you know what this trailer doesn't sell me. On the movie. It doesn't get me excited for the movie. I just really don't want to see the movie, just don't, you know. And it's no fault of the characters. Are you know the director anything just like we just, you know, with how the last movie was doing. Another one doesn't even make sense. Like the last one I think bombed and bombed heart. I don't think it did anywhere near as good as they thought it would do. I just don't think so. And again, with how much this has been pushed back, it might be too, you know what cash and go, you know what? Never mind. We've done a few movies now. They're not doing that well anymore. We haven't done a good one since days past. Maybe we should say, no, what we're good because they're doing another movie. New mutants were same thing that one's been pushed back like two or three times now. So if you keep pushing these movies back and you know, just seems like maybe you're not even sure about them. Don't bring them out, just don't. They fans are not going to have a heart attack, would we don't get this movie now? At least I don't think they are. I know I'm not. I'm not gonna go. No, we don't get that moving back. You know what? That's okay. Just, you know, like scrub the, you know slate clean started over again. I think that's the best idea. That is my opinion. So this movie, I'm not excited for it. I wanna be. I'm not. I'm just not. That's just where I stand with that in this trailer really doesn't change my mind or give me any hope for it. So other than that, thank you so much for listening. I hope that you, you know, got some good stuff out of this episode and talk to you all later. Have a wonderful rest of the day listening to the Golden State media concepts, Sifi podcast, part of the Golden State media concepts podcast network. You can find this show and others like it. WWW dot g MC. Podcast dot com. Download our podcast on itunes, Stitcher. 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GSMC SciFi Podcast Episode 100: Spidey, Harley and Dark Phoenix

GSMC SciFi Podcast

36:10 min | 2 years ago

GSMC SciFi Podcast Episode 100: Spidey, Harley and Dark Phoenix

"Golden State media concepts side put together we dive into the world at scifi science fiction from episode of Star Trek star walks to walk resident in all the hard science fiction movie from the backyard's marvel or DC, Golden State media, concerts, Sifi pipe cats. You'll never foot get signed station the same again. Low there everybody. This is Jay snook here for the Jesus M C A Sifi podcast brought to you by the Jesus MC podcast network. And we have some more some big Spearman news for you. So so first of all it got released. God I wanna say it before comic con they announced doing this movie called ze Spiderman into the spider verse which in the it's a big deal because we see miles. You know, Spiderman which we haven't really seen in an animated movie medium before we haven't seen much of he's gotten bigger in the comics lately, there's been some reasons for that. And the very first further we saw this movie was a big deal because you saw miles and Peter Parker, you know, together again, you haven't really seen much before. And you get to see where for some reason these two Spiderman are in the same unit. Verse, but they're actually from different universes. And as the fairy first trailer moved along you also saw spider Gwen, which is another spider hero version that again is from another universe now in this. I really didn't know that. But in that, I all you saw was those three spider people. It's all you saw. And and there was at the end. Of course, a big joke about, you know, like wait until comic con in miles liquid has come on. And he gets taken away and. Hickama kind. You gotta see trailer that told you a little bit more about the movie, and again, you know, you heard announce to hey, there's going to be, you know, more spider people spider heroes in this nNcholas cage going to be going to play one of the versions. And you got to see more action. You got to see a bit more of miles world, you know, and how he lived and how his life was and how he had these powers. But he clearly, you know, just getting the hang them. He didn't know them that well or how to handle them that well or things like that. And we saw bit more of him and Peter Parker interacting and bit more action in the second trailer, the one that was shown at comic con and things like that. So we knew a basic gist of this movie end, you know, that it was going to be a bunch of different spider characters coming together to stop some threat. You know, not sure why not even really sure why. Or how that all come together? It was all the mystery case somehow all these spider characters are going to come together, all these spider heroes. But we don't know why we don't know how and we don't really know what the threat is just we knew, hey, it's gonna be this Amit film that clearly is going to kind of have miles being, you know, the star which even on the new sperm and cartoon. That's not really how miles is miles is a spider a spider man of sorts, but Peter Parker is the star, but not miles. So this is a big deal, you know, and in this new trailer that released recently, we add to get to see a lot. Again, we see more of miles. We could see some more Peter Parker, but we find out jus-. And how all these spider characters come together. So a super clear gets created. And I'm not sure if miles himself created if someone else creates it, and it brings all these spider characters together. They're all together we have spider ham spider. Gwen we have, you know, mile Spiderman we have Peter Parker spider. Man, we have another Spider-Man. This was been nNcholas cage, and they're all coming together. And we at you get a C kingpin is going to be in this two and kingpin, you know, in previous spider iterations has been a very powerful villain, very dangerous Villena Fillon that is not easy to bring down. And so he's going to be big one in this. There's some mysterious character that's chasing around. You know, miles for some reason. And there was also a really cool on at the end of venom. There is a second, you know, after credit scene regatta see a bit more this movie. Bit more miles a bit more a Peter Parker and some histories villain there. You know running from. So we got to see that which was really cool. And I it's at the end of the film. I highly recommend you wait for it. Because you could see a lot of really cool stuff out of it. So in this new trailer. We actually learn a bit more about these different spider characters a little bit more about spider. Gwen you to see a little bit of spider ham and action. We get to see like I said, this is the first one we get to see nNcholas cage is Spiderman with stiffly clearly comes from a different universe from the other one's darker, maybe or Noir. And you know, this threat that's going on where the superclub bottled these different Spiderman together, and it looks like by what this trailer says that if this supercollider isn't shut down, you know, there's going to be nowhere for all these spider characters go back to. So we're gonna see, you know, a number of these spider characters action coming together, we get to see kinda reactions of of each other and kind of how they see each other. We also get to see, you know, just there's a really cool scene where they're all together on the ceiling trying to, you know, hide from a friend of miles, which is really we could see some more scenes of his dad who happens to be a police officer. And we get to see what he thinks Spider-Man which he's not too excited for him or likes him or things like that. And yeah, because you really good feel of you know, what the animation this film school. Is looks amazing by the way, we get to see again them serious villain. We see. Kingpin Wilson Fisk, and he has some dastardly plan. Clearly, you know, maybe the supercollider maybe with some of the Spiderman we're not really sure spider people. I should say we get to see, you know, I think a bit more of spare going out her mask, which we hadn't really seen in previous trailers. And and clearly spider ham is going to have some comic relief moments to be really cool. And yeah, this trailer trailers just really really huge. You know, you could see so much about this movie that you hadn't seen before. And you see how different some of the universes are and they're from different universes which hadn't really been said in previous trailers fans knew that. But it hadn't been said in previous trailers. So that's a big deal to see. Oh, yeah. They're not they're admitting they're from different universes. And I believe too that just from what I know of, you know, this kind of series and mind, you this isn't the first time we've had a bunch of spider characters together. Toward the end of these Spiderman cartoon the nineties, we had something similar happen with like, you know, a weird kind of like war battle that. Spare men went to to stop another Spider-Man in another universe. Had the carnage symbiotic and a number different spider characters came together. We had never different Spiderman we had scarlet spider we had a number of different characters. So this isn't the first one together. But this is the first one to see them in this way. Again, this time miles is the main character, not Peter Parker. So what do I personally this trailer? I think this trailer is amazing. It gives me really pump for this movie. It was great to see some of these other spider characters in action. Finally, get to meet some of them. We again, we haven't really met some of them in previous trailers, and we get to see again, you know, how dangerous this threat is and how they all come together. And how you know imperatives to get them. All. Back to the universes before it's too late. And we'd been good seal part of like, I think one of the few of the buildings kinda starting to fall apart or have something happen then because of what's going on with the super clutter thing. Right. And there's some mysterious character that we have seen in previous system comes to six kind of goblin monster type thing, I don't know much about that are how that plays in the other ones. I think we get to see I believe it's prowler don't quote me on that. But we see prouder in this trailer bit. And he seems to be a really good thread powerful threat that miles may not be fully prepared to take on. And we see in this trailer to the in a miles is kind of getting the hang of being spare minutes kind of happening, right? Because I believe what's happened in his universe is the man that was before him. I don't think it's around anymore. I don't know what happened to him or why he's not around anymore, but he's not around anymore. So he kind of has to take on the mantle and get the hang of doing it. And we get to see a cool scene in here to where we see Peter. Parker from other universe and miles come together. And kind of like, you know, he kind of like, you know, is kind of train him him to be, you know, Spiderman which is really really cool to see I think it was a really fun seeing. And yeah, I think this movie is can be absolutely amazing of Sony. Pictures of nation is doing it. And yeah, I I am personally very very excited for this movie. It comes out around Christmas. I'm not sure when in December. I don't think on the twenty fifth maybe the week before a couple days before. But yeah, if you haven't seen this trailer check, this trailer out, it is definitely mind blowing it some parts, and I don't know about you know, other fans, but definitely gives me a lot of hope for this film and definitely pumps up my excitement for this movie. So other than that, we have that's all I have to say about this trailer at this point. And we're gonna take yourself a short little break and we back in a bit. Wanna find out what movies to go see? And check out the GS MC movie podcast. It's your ticket to the latest movies. Whether it's a new blockbuster event, romantic comedy or action flick. This show has got it all covered they talk. Some what to go see? Now, don't bother what's hot on Netflix and everything in between that GMC podcast dot com. Back slash movie dash podcast when it's all about the movies. It has to be this new show. Don't forget to like Facebook and follow them on Twitter. Visit GS MC podcast dot com. For more info. He. Hello there everybody. This is Jay snuck back for more scifi news for us. So this weekend, we had Newark comic con happen out in New York. Of course. And they showed us a lot of cool trailers for Lada news shows a lot upcoming shows and mind you before we got to see this little teaser about tell you about we because before this backup presented before that. So this new streaming service coming out called DC universe, which I don't know if I've talked on here before where it's streaming service where they're going to have a bunch of new enemies shows and live action. Shows titans is going to be on there. They're going to have a live action swamp things show the doing doom patrol is a cartoon show. They're bringing back young Justice for season three which fans of waited many years for that. And it looks really amazing. And they're also doing a Harley Quinn cartoon now before. A recently all we knew as other doing a hurling Quin cartoon great. We didn't know anything about it. They announced that Kili CoCo, which I hope I said that right? From the big bang theory is going to be lending her voice to Harley Quinn on this cartoon, and it's kind of funny because when they did Batman and Harley Quinn was a DC movie. Did I think about a year or two ago now? We had burnt the girl who is Bernadette on the big bang theory. Do Harley Quinn on that. So now, this is the second woman from the big bang theory to be voicing Harley Quinn, and I'll give you a short little history. Harley quick in case, you don't know if you do it's kind of cool lesson anyway. So Harley Quinn was not someone who had been isn't a brand new character per se. She's been around maybe twenty something years now. But she she got started on a Batman damaged series. And it's just like they said, hey, you know, what let's give Batman, you know. I mean, not Batman joker. Sorry joker. A, you know, a a love interest is sorts, and it was originally just Harley Quinn and as the series on we find it. Hey, she's be Dr Harley Quinn Zell. She was at one time, you know, at doctor for the joker and overtime. No. She develops this attraction to him. It's never fully clear if he really feels the same way she does. But she develops. Detract from. She helps breakout of Arkham and becomes Harley Quinn and the rest is history. You know, and he's not always great dairies abusive physically verbally things like that. But she can't help herself. She loves him. She's in love with him. We gotta learn a lot about their history. Ashley in a show the episode. They did call mad love and sense. She got introduced on bet. Mid series fans loved her. She's a very popular character. She lot of people have to 'cause plays her. And in recent years, she's had some chances used to be a hey issue is just always kind of like, you know, connected to the joker. Just who? She was now in Batman Harley Quinn. There is no joker. It's just Harley Quinn, and you know, and she's helping Batman and night wing. You know, stop poison Ivy from doing this with the Franck man in the comics the same thing has happened. They're doing stories now. It's not just hey harlequin, the joker joker and Harley Quinn. They're starting to veer away from that. They did now. To DC 'em and movies. Where was Batman assault on Arkham where we do see the joker in her? But she's not like, oh, hey joker. Putting love you know, she's very not happy with him at on antitrust to shoot him and kill him. And then in the more recent when they did which was I think a year ago now no in March. So it was in March of this year. It's called suicide squad Helda pay where we don't see joker at all. It's Harley Quinn, and some of the rest of the people on the suicide squad, you know, doing a mission for Amanda Waller. So we don't see the joker at all. And I believe the comics have gone that way now to where they're kind of doing more Harley Centric stories stories with like her and Ivy like there was a graphic novel. I read recently that was called a Harley and Ivy meet Betty and Veronica were there in Riverdale and hilarity ensues and hijinks ensued. Really good comic, by the way, a highly recommend it. But yeah, like they're starting to go in the direction of where you know what Harley? Quin doesn't necessarily need to be just on the side of the joke anymore. She can have her own stories and our own, you know, adventures and our own things going on that's kind of how it's been veering. And so getting to this little teaser, and it is pretty much just a teaser. We get to hear Kili Cuco. You know is introduced herself a little bit. As Harley Quinn. We get to see in her cell at Arkham asylum IV courses in there with her hither cocoa. Kaley cocoa. Harley Quinn is very excited for the show's very pumped about it. You know, tells limit about it poison Ivy is not so pumped about it or excited and says people aren't going to like the, you know, it's gonna be a waste of time. It's going to do terrible. And you know Harley Quinn is very, no. That's not going to be the case can be this great show. It's gonna be this awesome show. You're gonna love it you need to check it out. Check it out. Check it out. Check it out, and she's very pumped the whole way through and the very end we see. Thing with a Batman which is kind of funny, and yes, so we just get to see a very little glimpse into the show. And we also get told that it doesn't come out next year. Now at comic con, I thought it was coming out stern that maybe I'm wrong. But I thought I'd heard coming out soon that so it's not coming out next year. The streaming service. I believe is supposed to be coming out in the next couple of months. I think don't quote me on that. By think that's supposed to come out. So like, I I think I'll when I first heard Killick local is going to be Harley Quinn like, oh, really like, not Tara, strong, not someone else. Okay. That's been odd choice. But at the same time alad mitt it's not a terrible choice either. It's really not. I you know, I could see her doing it. And and it's been shown on social media like Facebook and Twitter. She's very pumped be doing it. She's very excited be doing it to get the voice this character. And she wants to bring her own spinning calling people the past have. Like, Arleen Sorkin was the original voice of Harley Quinn than it was terrorist strong. And now like I said it's been it was burned on the big bang theory for the movie and now it's Kelly cocoa. So she wants put her own spin on it. She wants to be like, you know, empowering and all that. And it looks like it's going to be that way. And. Yeah, like, but I'm still curious of what is this show really gonna be about? What is really what's really going to happen? You know, where's it going to begin? Because in this. Are we see she's in Arkham asylum, and we see that like, you know, poison Ivy. So it's going to be her and poison Ivy which makes sense 'cause we got to see on the ninth on the Batman damage series. We got to see there were some episodes of Harley, Quinn and poison Ivy working together. So we gotta see that we saw there is kind of interaction there. And you know, they wanted some adventures when she was away from the joker for a while. They've always kind of had their little dynamic. That's like a friendship a sorts. There's what we've kind of seen and. Again, we we've seen this on some other stuff too. So they've had a connection they've got a friendship of sorts and they do care about each other of in a way as best as each can. I guess and again in Batman and Harley Quinn, we got to see you know, how relationship was because even Harley Quinn. You know, new, hey, you know, I've e- what you're doing is just it's wrong. You're trying to like, you know, permit a stray the world, and I'm sorry. I live in the world of not okay with this. So we got to see that. And I will say this like, you know, hearing Kili CoCo do point Harley Quinn. I like how it sounds, and you can definitely you can tell just even this little clip you can in this little tease, you can tell that. You know, her energy is really really high which Harley Quinn usually should be Harley Quinn us. You should have a lot of energy and just like kinda has a really good outlook on life, even things are bleak. Even things seem bad even things seem hopeless. She's got the percentage like. Outta work out. You know, and is really excited about it. And this it's shown in recent interrelations actually read another graphic novel that was called what was it called? It was called Justice league. No Justice where she was the same way. Like, it was a very dire situation where the universe was in danger. And she was again, like, you know, a comic relief of sorts. But also kinda like, you know, the shining light in the bleak in the bleakness of the situation. So that's kinda Harley Quinn has become lately. Of course, that's remembered to that from her original costume Batman, the as series her costume has changed from the new fifty two series that if you don't know that happened with the whole flashpoint paradox, which is a situation that happened with Barry Allen in the comics that pretty much changed everything by decision he made. And if you wanna see a really good example that there's of course, e that on the flash series, and there's also an M and movie that they did a DC movie called the flashpoint person. See like, you know this. Severity of what he did there. And he didn't like, you know, he had good intentions, but it really had dire repercussions for the C, you know, universe as a whole afterwards. It just did. So. Yeah. So it changes us she looks and in suicide squad show that so that she looked very different and wasn't the character. She was played by Margot Robbie so. Yeah. Overall, I think it's going to be a good show. I'm excited for it. I definitely wanna see more. I'd like to see a bit. Learn a bit more about the show. Like is it going to be heard and Harley Quinn? It's going to be her in the suicide squad is going to be just her on her own. I mean is she still in Arkham as she? I'd arkham. I'd like to know these things, I'm definitely wanna know more. But it's a good little window into the show and into what it's going to see where it's going to go. And where it's going to be so, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. There is no release date yet into those nineteen coming into those nineteen. That's all that's known at this point. But yeah, I'm. Excited. I definitely like, you know, wanna know more. But I think it's going to be cool. And I think that Kelly cocoa for this interational Harley Quinn, they're doing it's going to be a good call. It's going to be a good choice. So yeah. So that's all I have to say about that this moment. And of course, be sure to keep your keep in future pursuits. When I when I learned more let you guys know more. So we're gonna take another short little break, and we'll be back in a little bit. Tired of searching, the vast jungle of podcasts. Nell, listen close. And here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching the Golden State media concepts podcast. There were is here. Nothing less than podcast bliss with endless hours of podcast, covered from news sports, music fashion, looking entertainment fantasy football and so much more. So stop lurking around and go straight out to the Golden State media concepts podcast network, guaranteed to fill that podcast is whatever it may be. Visit us at WWW dot Jesus MC podcast dot com. Follow us on Facebook and Twitter and download on itunes soundcloud and Google play. Hello there everybody. This is Jay snuck back for some more scifi news for you. So the last bit of news, I have for you for this episode is we finally got ourselves a dark Phoenix trailer. And so the x-men films have had their ups and downs. The first one was really good. Brought kind of gave us Hugh Jackman as wolverine which was another iteration that change the character. And the way fans saw the character. So's really interesting how they did that. And, you know, introduce us, you know, Patrick Stewart as trials executor and emit Kellen, as you know, magneto and had triple h as sabertooth, and yeah, it was a really good film, and the sequel we got to see lady death's strike, and it was another really good film where the crew came together again. And there was a bigger threat. This time. And then we got ourselves x three which. Yeah. It was kind of a poor ending for this trilogy where we had the whole dark Phoenix saga come up where Jean grey. You know has this entity inside her or something, and it's, you know, driving her into a dark place, and they're talking about there's a cure for X men for mutants now, which was really weird turn to take. There's a point where mystique at you get turned human magneto is trying to create this, you know, group of Younes to lake, you know, stop the humans from curing them. And we have where Jean grey. You know kills Charles Xavier. She kills Scott. And in the end, you know, I don't think it's a spoiler movies been out for while, you know, wolverine has to kill her, but wolverine, and of course, degree loves her. So it's really hard to do it. So and this was. A bad movie because they put so many mutants in and they put too many, they crammed all together a lot of Weedon getting station at all. Yeah. We had you know, we gotta see beast, which is really cool. So we see him for the verse. But it was just overall not that great of a movie, then many years later, we got a movie called X men first class, which was all the heroes. And they were younger kind of when they originally came together how Charles savior, and you know, Eric lecture. I think I said that right magneto came together. How they kinda originally wanted to you know, joy a great this team. And teach these people how to use their powers and become a part of a team that we see as real who. I think is the father of is the father of God what's his name? Thing. I can't remember his name right now. But they is of the blue version the blue mutant that can teleport like him. I it's and something I'm sorry. It's on my tongue. But you know, so we get to see him. We get to see, you know, even how magneto, and you know, tro, my Nido mystique and Charles aver kind of became friends, and we're kind of partners for a while. Others a character play Kevin bacon called Sebastian Shaw. Who you know believes has a very different view on humans and how they should be treated how we should treat them. And it was a really good movie did a very good job of kind of restarting the John and starting on a strong. No, we gotta see, you know, how Charles Avery, you know, ends up in his wheelchair. There's a cooler cameo where they go to wolverine. And he you know is not too excited to see them to say, the least, you know. I won't say what he says. But yeah, he's not too excited to see them. And as an interesting what they're doing right now. Then we got a days feature pass, which is a very big in the comics, very big thing where it takes place in the future and the sentinels and mutants being hunted and killed and destroyed. So it's a really big deal. And I think that it a very very good job with the movie, they didn't amazing job of the movie. They took a difficult story to tell and told it amazingly, they did a very good job bring this story to life. So it was a hard story to tell. But they did it. And I think it's one of the probably the best ex and movies. They've done yet. I mean that it's really really good. And then we got a few years. Later x men apocalypse which. On the other spectrum is probably one of the worst x-men movies. I have ever seen. We have Oscar Isaac's as apocalypse, you know, we have a lot of the same carrots. Come back, the new ones like storm angel and number different characters. But another merges that well, they're not just that strongly. We see a little bit of the Phoenix thing here. But yet just I remember seeing this movie in the bay area actually before it come out. Now, just like God. There was really not anything. I could say nice about it was that poorly. Made it was that bad. So come to modern times, we we're getting another X men movie, and it's supposed to place ten years later after last last night he was in the seventies. And this was supposed to be in the eighties, and man where do I begin with this movie and just with this trailer? So with this movie, the it's the same actors. They don't look ten years younger, at least not in my opinion, and one of my problems of this movie just in general. Is we've or they're going to do the dark Phoenix saga, right, which we or got into movie heck, we had it in the cartoon in the nineties. So this isn't like the first time we've gotten this. And I don't know. I just when I heard this with how bad apocalypse was like, why would you even do another movie because pockets really was just a disappointment? I think fans no fan. I don't think liked that movie. I don't think. So maybe I'm wrong. I don't think they did. So why you're doing another exit movie at all makes absolutely no sense to me. And so then we have where we finally get this trailer. We get to see a bit of what's going to go on what's going to happen. There's a lot of action. There's a lot of drama. There's a lot of motion by you know, Jean grey, Sophie Turner, which I think he's a good Jean grey. Don't be wrong. But I'm still not too excited for the movie. And then we also we have again where you know, we get to see where the team is scared for her. They're worried about or what do they do for her? We get to see. See magneto, you know, and you know, tros lever trying to come together to you know, about this dangerous threat. That's coming. And at this point is like, you know, at Charles, I don't care, and at this point Charles doesn't have all his hair finally, but yeah, this trailer. I have to say I'm not too sold on it. I'm not too sold in this movie. I'm not too excited for this movie. And I don't know it. Maybe it just didn't do that. Well of job of, you know, selling the movie to me because it just it's it's also because at least I've seen this story few times before it's kind of predictable. It's going to happen. You know, it's not this big shock of. Oh, it's going to happen. Now, I will say what is cla about this trailer? Is you get a find out at bid about Jean Grey's pass lease that I didn't know you get to see, you know, her with her parents who I guess either. She thinks she is responsible. Maybe she was responsible for her parents dying. You know, so that was kind of interesting to see and you get to see a little bit of like, you know, where trolls Davis tried to help her in the past. And you know, again, it's where like, you know, the the the dark Phoenix starts to come out of her, and she can't control, and she's soul rage, and anger, and aggression. And you know, she's not really. Being you know, the X person that I think that people think she should be your hope she should be. So there's a lot of action this trailer. There's some cool scenes it's are real first actual look at the movie. So that's kind of cool. This movie has already been pushed back, I think at least once or twice we supposed to get a release date of February next year. I think I've heard it already got pushed back again to think like June now of next year. So I don't know for me when a movie gets pushed back that much and keeps getting pushed back. It doesn't give me much hope for that movie. Just doesn't you know like I almost want to like this movie and be excited for this movie. But I don't even see a reason for this movie being made. I just don't I mean, I'm just like we already got this before. And that one wasn't that good. It just wasn't. Why would you do this again? I don't understand. I can't grab. Esp? It just it can't it doesn't make sense me. Why let's do another one of these. Let's do a story already done. It's why I mean, at least when they did X men first class, and they did days pass, and even did apocalypse as bad as that was at least we hadn't gotten those stories before we hadn't seen them in in like, you know, a of a movie version, we'd seen you know, the dark Phoenix saw on the cartoon. I wanna say we had seen apocalypse, but on the cartoon, but we never saw them in the movies before ever in any of the movies ever done. We haven't seen them. So at least it made sense to do them. This doesn't make any sense to do that. Do it. It just doesn't. It's like even though it's a good cast nNcholas hold his grade. James McEvoy is great. You know, Sophie Turner is great. It's a good cast of people. It's just guys. We don't need this movie. We just don't I just don't really think we need to even do it. There's no point. So this is a movie where you know, what this trailer doesn't sell me. On the movie, it doesn't get me excited for the movie. I just really don't wanna see the movie, I just don't, you know? And it's no fault of the characters. Are you know, the director anything is just like, we just, you know, with how last movie was doing another one doesn't even make sense. Like the last one I think bombed and bombed hurt I don't think it did anywhere near as good as they thought. It would do I just don't think so again with how much this has been pushed back, it might bigoted, as you know, what cash go, you know, what never mind we've done a few movies now they're not doing that well anymore. We haven't done a good one since days of past. Maybe we should say no what we're good. 'cause they're doing another movie new mutants were same thing that was been pushed back like two or three times now. So if you keep pushing these movies back, and you know, the just seems like maybe you're not even sure about them. Don't bring them out. Just don't they fans are not going to have a heart attack. If you go. Whoa. We don't get this movie. Now, at least I don't think they are. I know I'm not I'm not Ono. We don't get that moving back. You know? That's okay. Just you know, like scrub the, you know, slate clean started over again. I think that's the best idea that is my opinion. So this movie, I'm not excited for it. I wanna be I'm not I'm just not. That's just where I stand with it in this trailer, really doesn't change my mind or give me any hope for it. So other than that. Thank you so much for listening. I hope that you, you know, got some good stuff out of this episode and talk to you all later have a wonderful rest of the day listening to the Golden State media concepts Sifi podcast part of the Golden State media concepts podcast network. You can find this show and others like it at WWW dot g MC. Podcast dot com. Download our podcast on itunes, Stitcher. 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Birds of Prey: and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn

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Birds of Prey: and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn

"He is it. Transphobic will be addressing issues of Trans Phobia and trans massage. Any we may also address issues of racism. Classism Able ISM and various other intersectional issues in this podcast so this is a trigger warning. The panelists on is it. Transphobic will also use strong language so listener discretion is advised. Hi everyone my name is Ashley Lauren. Rogers she her in them pronouns. And today I'm being joined by Rachel Weekly. Is They then pronouns? So Rachel today we're GonNa talk about birds of prey and and that might be a weird choice for a lot of people mostly because there is no open out Trans Representation in the movie. But but that said we're going to get into why we're talking about it in a little bit before we are you familiar with the birds of prey the characters of Black Canary I believe it's renee. Montoya is her name is Renee Montoya. It's been a minute I'll yeah until MONTAGNA and I'm forgetting the last one who's amazing hundreds the one that I'm in love with hunters. How'd you forget that one? I know killer obviously. Obviously we're GONNA be talking about a lot of spoilers in this So if you haven't seen it and you're okay with spoilers. Feel free to keep listening if you're the type of person that absolutely wants nothing spoiled. Go see the movie. If you haven't already yet or I know I guess wait right. Yeah don't go out and see it. See the legal the most legal way that you can. Which hopefully they release it. Because everything's digital now so hopefully their release it at point sooner rather than later so you have a chance to go see it But support this movie. The I I feel like our the. We're giving the goat a little bit as to whether we enjoy the movie or not. But I'm okay with that. The real question though Rachel is were you familiar with the birds of prey and these characters prior to the film. So I knew I've done a lot more of like the Marvel Mc you blah blah blah. But I knew a lot of the DC characters from the animated series like Justice League and Justice League unlimited and teen titans and like the the original Batman animated series. So I knew a lot of these characters but not in the context of birds of prey. yeah very cool my myself Black Canary I learned about a lot from the justice video gains from the CW show Arrow. Which I it's honestly it's not my favorite. Wdc Show but at the same time boy it started at all and I do love. It is your favorite. My favorite is honestly the flash the FLASHER supergirl. I've heard those are the two. Warren really likes them. I forget to watch the. I've heard really good things. Yeah no the flash. It's tough because if you're not the person that like 'cause Arrow has it's weird funky shit to but like if you're not a fan of the weird and has like weird you might not like the Flash. I love it and honestly yogurt. Sawn has become one of the greatest villains of ANY SUPERHERO BASED MEDIA. I've seen And also his name is. Yo- barred thon boy. Do I love. It really is a good name so we please So one of the things that like what just to start off one of the things I loved about birds of Prey. That is put me off a lot of. Dc stuff is that. I don't love when shows have people that are all attractive in the same sort of way yeah I know where everyone's like a polished millennial or polished older person or Polish like teenager Here's a guy with short hair named Chris. Yeah again you know. Here are all these rails in model tall women. Here's you know all these instagram models doing a show. It's like it doesn't. There's something about it that always takes me out of it a little bit and one of the things. I loved about birds of prey. That will get more into. Is that Everyone was such sessia unique character like they very much came from their own styles. Their own half. They weren't having to in a world together because they were a world together. Yeah so let me ask you this. Can you sum up the story of the movie since we're talking about a little bit in a lot of the ideas of what we love about it How would you sum up the movie? Go Rachel Go. Yeah so high summit up is on the movie starts where a Harley Quinn and joker just broken up. And she's narrating delightfully sort of like how they got together. How the relationship was going sort of all the benefits. She got from being in a relationship with him and now she's the process of grieving that relationship and sort of the the steps. She's taking like when she won't admit to it when she's just sad about it and when she starts to like do something and like work through it And in that process it sort of opens up this This space for a new Super Villain to start to take hold of the city and when that happens it starts to bring all these other characters a cop down on their luck of secret character that is revealed later in the story and even like the the evil guys Driver come into play to handle all these things. It's actually beautiful. A how like all these people get woven into the same plotline. Yeah there's there's this sense so I'm also being very guarded about the specific things that I'm talking about. Just to throw this With the movie because I did an interview with my friend Scott for his show writers Bagel basket about birds of prey and just literally like gushing for our half of all my God. It's amazing finding different things that I made sure I didn't necessarily talk about with Scott And that is one of the things that we didn't get to go into is like how well they interconnected the story of like okay. Well we need this person to become a driver so we got like we also need someone to just be hurt. So why. Don't we have black masks? Original driver get hurt because of Harley Quinn so he needs a new driver because the guy can't drive anymore certainly cannot I mean? I am confident that we could find a way that he could possibly drive while his legs are healing at the same time. It will take a lot more time than a movie can devote to showing that and it would be moving in and of itself. The story of a man learning to drive without his legs. But I I I love movies and shows that are all about the late quote unquote side characters Which is partially why it was so excited about this movie because these are not characters that like DC usually focuses on your superman. They're not your that man. They're not wonder woman. And even even Harley who is a fan favourite is someone that people are looking at an interested in and You like obviously. There's a harley boom right now and Margot Robbie was so passionate about doing this movie but Harley isn't like what People Harley has only recently become like an a lister yet that makes any sense. Yeah and she is like clawed her way there. Yeah and I think it has a lot to do with Blake. Deadpool suddenly also getting so much so much faith and so much talking about it because I really paved the way for people to be like. Oh while. Dc Has Harley Quinn. Let's see that. Wow Yeah and I think especially with with Harley leg in especially like. You're saying with the deadpool thing like Deadpool. Pool is a style all his own and we know the same time like at the same time there is that kind of how do we have fun? As a superhero movie and the deadpool movies really showed how to have fun with these like Gritty. Dark Superhero stuff And Yeah so I'm all for it. I'm here for it more please Lilly. Yeah so while. We're there because we started talking about like I feel like we will just continue to keep going into. Oh my God. Why do we love this movie? But we should also talk specifically about why we're covering it because again there are no end. There's an extent that there there are no explicitly stated Trans Non Binary characters in the final product. So let me ask you. This first. Does the absence of open and out? T- GNC characters immediately mean a piece is transphobic. And that's just our opinions. But I wanNA throw that out. It's a tricky one because they had so many places where they could have used a trans or gender non conforming person so to not in some ways. It's like well that seems silly. You could have just you could have just brought people in had people there but it also unfortunately if this movie already feels like such a big leap for Hollywood that it doesn't particularly bother me. Yeah like I feel the same way like yes. There's definitely a place. Yes there's definitely a lot of even just side characters coming in and having like Trans Representation but at the same time like you're absolutely right. I think I think that there it took so much just to get this man made vet like okay. Sure and not only that just not just because it took so much. Get this made because that sounds like we're by we I say me That like I'm I'm making the case that like Oh you know because it was hard to get it made. Oh it would be even harder to put transit up. People know that it would saying yeah like this. Obviously not what I'm saying but at the same time because this is such a different movie than what we're used to from a lot of things and pushing a lot of boundaries. I'm okay with it. It's for now yeah. It has a focus and it needed to do that. Sometimes if sometimes I feel like with a piece of art. If you're tackling too many topics at the same time it can get muddled. You know so again. I don't mind it. They could have definitely had it and that would have been even. That would be the Cherry on top that just be incredible and just to stated like you can have characters that are trans on by Marion. That doesn't need to be there. Focal point and maybe a character will come out later and we'll find out. Oh great like I don't know like someone is great but it's also got a lot of by visibility in the in herself is by and there are a of like Queer folks and coded Vokes. So it's like okay. There's a lot in there but let me ask you this. Follow up question then. Would that mean be. So there's no Trans Non Binary Character Trans Non Binary representation in the film. Does that mean that it's not transphobic? Yeah because that's I mean I guess no. It doesn't mean that like when you only displaying that there are two options of gender then on some levels it is if you're not exp- especially currently if you're not explicitly stating room that there's not. I'm sorry you're not explicitly stating that. There is room for Other genders in this world and the only way you do that is by putting someone who is explicitly not so otherwise. We have to assume that everyone falls into the same categories as the characters. Were talking about Then you were in some ways erasing that fact from the world that you've created yet. I think I think that's the main problem but at the same time again. I feel like we're we're both pretty solidly well. This movie still kicks ass and it's amazing and it's got some great stuff but at the same time just because and I think the reason that I propose that question is because there are a lot of people that will say well either. We don't want to try. And I'm not saying that this is what the producers of this movie have said but there are many people in the past. Well we don't want to include because if we do and we get it wrong or oh if we Put it in. It's not substantial. And it's I I hear that but at the same time The lack of inclusion Han still be transphobic because you are removing that. I don't think that this is actively doing that. At the same time again things could surprise us later but you know for right now yeah understanding what we know about the movie right now. Yeah it is still in some ways erasing that yes. Yeah but you know like I say I'm still very solidly in favor of this movie. So in this case then how do we analyze this piece from a transient on binary perspective from a media analysis perspective? Yeah like how do we judge this movie? One of the things that I picked up on early while we were watching it and really stuck with me is Gender performance in this like how how people are feminine or how People Are Masculine in. This movie is very different from ninety percent of movies especially superhero movies like there is there is so much room for variants on how people perform their gender in this that like that is something that is so important to have a conversation between people. Viewing this media and the media itself. Yeah no I completely agree. I think that's the because especially in times. Where Trans and non binary characters didn't. It's not that they didn't exist in media it's that they weren't either explicitly stated or When they were it was a joke and it was a whole thing. That was how a lot of us figured things out was how are these. Binary system representations playing with gender itself. And I think that's the best way to sort of look at a movie like this or any other movie that again doesn't have any explicit trends non binary representation To say like okay. How can we look at it from that Lens? How are they treating these binary? How are they treating the binary representation yet so talk to me a little bit about To me a little bit about that. What are what are some of the ways that you picked up on in the movie that we're just like they're they're playing with Jenner performance in a new or different or interesting way so the one that lake has been sort of all in all over the Internet that I feel like we have to talk about and we'll talk about some of the ones that hasn't necessarily been is the The gaze of the camera eventually on Harley Quinn And the differences between how she's filmed and presented in this movie versus. She was filmed in presented in suicide squad. Like in suicide squad Was that Zack. Snyder who directed that? I don't think it was Snyder. But it was part of the whole Snyder initiative with EMC so they were pulling from a lot of that even if it wasn't him specifically have to look that up David Air A show so suicide squads directed by a man Harley Quinn is meant to be a sex icon in that Specifically for straight since men and it's clear she she has a dog collar on her shirt is torn so lake the bottom of speaking out and she's got completely impractical shorts and not even like fun completely impractical there. They just look uncomfortable like I just worry for her that entire movie because she is fighting evil with the biggest. Wedgie they So I went and saw it at Alamo Draft House and I. I Love Alamo. This story I shared on Rattles Raiders. Bagel basketball just like quickly. But they had in the beginning this whole thing about like Harley shorts from suicide squad and being like look there panties. It's fine if you just WANNA put her in panties but don't put a belt on it just like just tell us this is what you're doing. Superman fought crime than underwear. Why can't Harley Quinn Yeah? Superman did need a belt to show us the no. He's not wearing underpants. These the the strong button tights. Yes yes Oh yes definitely what they are. What the underwhelming outside that makes you stronger. I Guess Obama an all your legs just need more containing you have to put it. That's the thing. Superman didn't have the blue tights underneath before and people were just like. Oh you need to shave those or you need to cover them buddy. Sorry no thank you no thank you oh. I love this movie. Superman develop says look So so they get so we get all that in suicide squad where it's just this like completely impractical pigtails on that are all the way down past her shoulders. Which if you've had long hair they just get caught in everything and in your eyes in your mouth. And it's it's really. It's really a pain. I don't know how they do that. Which is actually gonNA underline that for later. Because it's it's a moment that I really wanna come back to the exact moment because we'll even even if you look at like MMA fighters or even if you look at pro wrestlers who are doing their thing and wearing like extensions on extensions upon extensions they many of them use like Some form of Braiding or something to get it out of their face. Yeah no one's going around. Yeah you need to like I when I started sparring. When I was doing karate I would try to do like a low ponytail or something while I still had long hair and it just like you have this. This like details swishing behind. You can't focus on what's happening. You gotTa Lake get it out of your way. Who's typing on my shoulder? Who's having on my shoulder? Cool cool so then we get to a birds of prey Harlequin and like the hair get shorter. The outfit get ridiculous but they become practical all of a sudden she's wearing overalls for the big fight scene and even though her clothes are like incredible plastic jacket. These like confetti sleeves. She has on and these ridiculous shoes. It's all comfortable jackets so badly. I want those overalls. So much and Jessica that change over in how she's viewed and she shot not looking pretty and she's not having to flirt with literally everyone who comes on the screen. Yeah you know she. She gets upset and she gets like ugly. Sad spurting cheese whiz in her has yes and like awfully drunk and whatnot. It's it's all of a sudden like ways. You don't get to see female protagonists or even like major female characters or when you do. It's like this. I don't know how to describe it but yeah like even then like even the sadness is like. Oh you're pretty when you cry type of like you have like this single here and it comes like when you're man finally comes to hold you and it's because you can't produce children or something like and that's the only time you can be sad and the rest of the time you have to be just a murder machine. I went another way. A this comes up. Even more is the fighting. Yes like the combat is and. I'm sure we'll get a lot into this. But the combat is non sexualize. D- yeah so many female fighters other superhero movies. I don't know how many times you can get a headlock with your size into a movie but mindful of GonNa find out which I will say as an avid fan of pro wrestling. I remember the first time they showed what black widow could do. I think in iron man two was it And she's pulling like head. Scissor take downs and like things that I'm looking at and I'm like Oh my God as a wrestling fan. I love seeing this but at the same time. It's like okay. You're focusing on the things. How can I put my vagina as close to your face as possible And like that's fine if one character fights like that but when it's literally every female presenting character fights like that then all the sudden none of this makes sense. Yeah and even even in birds of prey there was moments like specifically. I remember clocking during the water fight. And we'll have to talk about that for a moment to but like the the fight with the sprinklers that were on. She's pulling out Lucia but in the same. She's not doing like the head scissors she's doing like a really kick ass like a down and all sorts of other things that are just like core to deliberate so that if she shown in the past that she can do that she can do these other things too and they they make her fighting ugly in this one yeah in. Lake. It's. It's metal bats and using her surroundings and its acrobatic. But it's never in a please look at her thighs ninety percent of the time. Yeah it's you know I'm GonNa Smash Your head into these bars or I'm going to cocaine over you I did. I did love the whole like well. They're shooting the cocaine. It's going into the air. I guess I got a problem. Problems began even even the most ridiculous things in the movie like. She's got all sorts of like color that she's shooting out because that's part of her brand but at the same time it's like yeah like she shooting the like the colored beanbags because it's like yet creates a cool visual narrative but at the same time it's also like in character guess they've very close attention to the characters of all of the birds of prey and and their backgrounds and how they would fight and what keeps keeps in their own particular worlds for them and Harley was very much kept to like the fights were funny and like a little gross a little ridiculous but they were still fights. Yeah so before we get into the fights because I definitely WanNa talk about the fights And I definitely will want to get to an outbreak shortly but not just yet Let's talk about a victories as an black mask what I really enjoyed. Oh you and McGregor is just like and this is why I was kind of hinting about Yo Var Thon. He was my favorite villain in a superhero piece of media. Up until you and Macgregor's black mask holy crap. It's so God what I really appreciate about it though. And this is like they were like the producer very open about it that they are going to be coded Queer. I believe that was the actual i. I'd have to look into again. But I believe that was the actual language that was being used that they're not necessarily going to state it. They're not necessarily going to have him. Victor's ask kiss but that the two of them in a relationship pretty clear to me from the movie. Yeah it tracked. But because they weren't the only queer representation it worked because this is what happens at a lot of movies like oh well we have to have clear people. Let's make them evil evil. Yep Well and one thing I did appreciate about how they clear coated them. Yeah is that was never. That was. Never the heart of the evilness there. It was never like. Oh you WANNA know how evil look they like each other. You know like the the evenness had much more with how they how they treated women and how they people actually. Yeah and they like. 'cause I mean black mask is absolutely in this McGregor absolutely misogynist? Absolutely Lighten O. But time yeah. They're just dangerous folks. They're going to rip off your fucking face and so for for me the other thing that I really enjoyed and this is the thing like I know. I shared a couple of articles with you. Many of them were before birds of prey was released and a lot of these. Things were announced a lot of people that like once. They announced that Eun McGregor's black mask was going to be Queer They immediately like there. Were a lot of bullshit. Twitter stuff like Do St Minster screed or something and it's my impression of twitter. Homophobic twitter homophobic twitter is like swertz in egger being run in reverse in slow motion eight out of the way from movie so but like I really appreciate it because like it was very. His mannerisms are very subtle. He didn't necessarily and again like there's no such thing as a game but at the same time there's a lot of like code mannerisms that we see because of media and you could tell and you could see and you could see that he'd made it so that like there were some small ones in there but like it wasn't about that it wasn't making it a parent it wasn't like foreseeing a lake narrative of Queer. So bad it was. Yeah there little bits here and it's just he's an eccentric dude I will point out that mum unless you are part of the queer community. I don't know if you pick up on. Yeah because like I recognize them but I spend so much of my time around. Queer folks that I'm like. Oh this is cute in this in this in this by. I don't know if a lot of people who aren't in those circles would recognize it. Yeah no I agree. And that's what I really like. Oh Man I really. I love this movie. So we've talked a little bit and even then like we've only scratched surface on a lot of the the Trails that we've seen of a binary men in binary women in this film and how they play the gender but we'll talk a lot more about it as we talk about the action. Because I think that's what really sold this movie on me. The comedy was amazing. The action of it was But we're GONNA talk about that after we take an ad break this. Have you ever said to yourself? I'd love to start my own podcast but I don't know the first thing about them. Well if you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain see first off. 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And using your surroundings in ridiculous ways to get people there God like honestly found object. Fighting is some of my favorite fighting both to participate in as well as in like as well as just watch so the way that she used her environment in the way that she brought things into the environment loved it. So let's yeah I it just Margot Robbie does so much of her own stunt work and roller skating work which the play later. It's it's just so impressive to see a film show this off. Why I I was just stunned that we got that whole fi in the jail. When she's she's breaking the younger character. Out like Cassandra Cain. Yeah CASSANDRA CAIN. Thank you It's in the rain and it's in the police. Impound is that what they where they keep. Yeah it's it's the evidence locker. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah know the police impound sure the words yeah we we've gone But yeah and like they use a fair they use a lot of. Cgi with like some of the more ridiculously impractical things. But they because of how Harley Quinn sets up the world in the beginning like there's a whole little animated back story for her and they're able to then work the CGI. That's a little more ridiculous. A little more out there into the fight in this beautiful way like there's bad sequence where she needs to hit a guy like six feet away so she bounces a metal bat off the floor to hit him and it hits back on the ceiling back into our hand. And it's just so absurd but it's so good So let's let's talk for a minute about Black Canary. She has beautiful fight. Where this this guy is obviously trying to get with Harley Quinn when she is not able to give consent and and this is and even then we're not sure if he's specifically trying to get with her or if he is just trying to kidnap her for some. We don't know the specifics. We know that people are looking for her but to black canary. This is just some guy who's taking advantage of a drunk woman dressed like a clown and I- regardless of how she was dressed. He was trying to take advantage of her. In some way and so black canary snapped into action. Took a minute thought about it then snapped into action and that flight it's gnarly it is Because if you know the character of black canary and I was wondering when this was gonna come in at the beginning of the movie She has these vocal powers and they're only sort of hinted at in the beginning of the film and it was interesting to see this fight where she didn't use them at all and she just basically use this very street brawler style again using the van to like destroy. These people yeah I Love I love a good fan fight but her style. It's not completely couple of era but it's like in that sort of wheelhouse of a sort of like constant movement almost dance fighting rhythmic. It's very grounded. She likes to come from a low angle and when she hits it's hard like the the aren't like boom boom boom. They're switch boom boom. It's the the the difference in the rhythm between her and Harley is incredible. She's she's like the base to Harlequins Melody. And then and then we move into huntress who is just my favorite in the whole movie. Oh my God I want more hunters Just give me all the hundreds She and this is the way I've been describing the hunters to people is. She's literally the answer to all of the sad boy DC characters that just need a hug and like literally she comes out and she's doing the thing like in any other movie in any other property she would be made fun of mercilessly like I'm huntress stupid name like no. It's not to like but like everyone immediately. She says it may take a moment. They're like that so bad ass. Yes she's got the EMA Voi- thing going on how much they're like. Oh you're cool like paddock. Crossbow killer. That's cool and she's just like she's constantly putting this state of like. I need to say this to be. Awesome and edgy and people are like. Wow which is oh. I wasn't expecting that same. Okay these characters have each other who I love and so But her her style. Because you know you've learned in the movie and again like we've said the spoiler thing but you learn in the movie that she Came from a background of her family being assassinated before her eyes and show she was saved by someone in that someone and his family taught her the ways of being an assassin. And so she's very mixed to Willie in Sicily so she's quick to the point mea like boom boom boom. Just get the job done Bam. She's she's very striky vaguely acrobatic very much lake the appear out of the darkness. Same cool line boom done. Do you know who I am. Crossbow killer no no so so you've got these melting of styles and then you also throw in both Cassandra. Cain and Renee Montoya on toy is is not necessarily like a over the top like these three three that we've detailed. They're very like cinematic fighting styles. He's with Yasser. You can create a whole like Raymond. Toya is very much get people safe. Save people use firearms when needed Like 'cause her whole thing is very much like she's a cop. She's very very practical so she's going to do what she needs to do. Get it done and like try and minimize as much damage as possible So her whole role in this final fight. That is just amazing. And I love is essentially trying to find. Cassandra keep to Sandra safe Which they're all trying to do and they're all doing it very adorable. An amazing and such good ways but her main thing is like get the job done now. Find Cassandra keeper safe. Yup and I love it so I guess she's a really beautiful character. Yeah because shaved my balls for this so this is something we can talk about from a Trans Angle. I loved that shirt and on her and it is. It is controversial because it is a thing where it's like okay. The joke is we are assuming that this actor Rosie Perez and this character do not have balls and but it also plays a lot of the You know like balls being a A symbol for euphemism for having spa for having some sort of like courage and courage heroism And so in that way a lot of the subversion of that I enjoyed at the same time. Yeah there is a certain extent because the joke and we're laughing and admittedly I was laughing. Is that this character. Quote Unquote clearly does not have walls. Yes I it sits in that. It is transphobic because that is the joke but it also spoke to me that it has to end up wearing the shirt because the clothing she brought ends up getting messy while she's on the job and then when she comes back to place of work and needs to change clothes the only thing they have to offer her is things that can't suit her. Like the implication is that this is the only thing they have that she can wear. I think I think that's probably why I'm a lot more. Okay with this type of joke in this type of context is because it was literally forced on her. And it's still again like it's still lives in that place where without that that would be but even that it's also a high status character. Someone who is a police officer Having to wear a very low status shirt they can subway self deprecating. But also just mortifying that's that is funny. That type of humor is very funny. 'cause I also think it would be funny like a very very like Prim well-dressed sis man who suddenly had to wear that as well. I agree that it's yes. It still absolutely lives in the like well. That's not the case and that's not actually completely the joke that's being made but I I don't think that was the focus of the humor entirely. I agree yeah so I think I think we walked our way into. Oh this is the thing. This is like the most clear example in this movie of them playing with some sort of biological but at the same time. It's not necessarily just about that. And that's why it works on many levels so I still think that there is a case where like yeah okay. It's bullshit to and I think that we're we're in agreement on this it's bullshit to assume genitalia. It's bullshit to assume all the stuff about people Based on that and we need to work towards not making jokes about that kind of stuff but at the same time like it wasn't only what it was about so yet and they're they definitely could have A. They could've found other things that might have fit the same type of humor without the tinge of transphobia. That's in there. Yeah so I so. This is just sort of like a thought project that I had like I. I've been thinking about this for a little while this final fight and it's it's so cinematic and it so well orchestrated There's another part to it that we hinted out that we WANNA talk about in a sec but just to throw it out there. I wonder because so many pieces especially in this world in like a comic book world or in an action world are built around this idea of just write a man but make her a woman and I feel like particularly in this case in this movie. No because so many of the People. The main writer was a woman. The director was a woman. The Producers Margot Robbie is a woman. It didn't feel like it was just copy and paste. Okay it's a man but now she's a woman and I just wanted to know your opinion on that and like how this might have changed from a a fight angle or from some other angle if this was sort of like all right if we were creating this from a male gaze mill perspective like how what are some things that we would've seen. I wonder That's a really interesting question so when that I threw it you last minute. That's okay. I'm happy to think aloud. A one of the things I really noticed about. The last fight is the they give everyone. Do everyone gets like here. This section of the funhouse suits your style of fighting and the way they based the styles of fighting are very much based in them. Being ciswomen like different fighters fight very differently based on body types and it and it has a lot to do with like where your center of gravity is where your muscle mass is and if you are a SYS man a lot of your body mass and a lot of your focus tends to be on your upper body because your center of gravity is a little higher with Masculine fights or fights that are supposed to be for men and then they copy and paste women on it. There's a lot more like punches thrown in holding people with arms and and tends to be a lot more space in some ways whereas if you are a ciswomen gravity tends to be a little lower. You tend to have more muscle mass in your legs. So that's where a lot of fighting gets based out of like if you get yourself low to the ground. Your center of gravity is lower than everyone else's and you have this incredible advantage and because these fights were developed for ciswomen characters. You see that things are very grounded. Things are very much. There's a lot of kicks. There's a lot of holes. There's a lot of out. Balancing people are throwing other people and they're fighting presumably. We don't ever actually technically find out. But they're fighting a bunch of men and like using that at that height than balance to their advantage There's also a lot of things that like if a lot of gays superhero movies. Don't think about the role that lake hair and clothing plays in a fight. So they'll put Harley Quyen in something that gives her a Wedgie the entire time or have her hair down the entire time like they do this they do this with wonder woman. They do. This with Black widow and the MC. You like light schedule have hair down to her waist and still be fighting with it down and there's this beautiful moment. That was so quintessential for me. I into this because this is exactly what I wanted to make sure we figured of Black Canary has beautiful moment. Where she's she's just destroying all these guys around her but you see her kind of fighting with her hair like she has to turn a little too fast one time and she has to brush it out and she just getting a little frustrated with it in Harlequin goes you need a hair tie and black and he's like yeah and Harlequin pulls Outta hair tie and black canary continues destroying everyone around her as she puts her hair up. You know things that we just don't see even remotely considered in Male Gaze. Movies are suddenly being put into play that you know there's no super scrawny high heels things chunky heels or platform type shoes. Or if they're gonNA be impractical shoes. They're GONNA be roller skates which then become practical. Yes don't get used. And that's what's so brilliant about so many of the fights in here it's little things like this and this is why having people who if you're going to represent them on screen on stage in media having them in the room is important because it's like little things like this like there's a and again like this. Were just speaking from a sense of this was a mostly Cisco female Writing producing team and because of that though there are these moments like with the hair tie which is a thing like I as a woman with long hair constantly like crap. I forgot my hair tied. You have one. Yeah great thanks using. It's such an innocuous thing but at the same time to throw into the middle of a fight is massively like Oh that is so what. It's your so relatable. Just don't see it. I think yelled in the movie theater. I was just like when I saw that happen. Because you never never never never see it. Never see people dealing with this issue during a fight always somehow magically gets out of their eyes or. It's a joke where the female character needs help because her hair gets in her is You know they're either shamed for the impracticality of the long hair. More there so magical. It's not even an issue. Yes so we're GONNA have to start up just because of time but there. There are two questions one. I didn't prep you for but one that I absolutely Want to know because there are a bunch like you mentioned wonder woman Which is also in the DC house But also things like Captain Marvel and I'm curious because and I loved Captain Marvel but after watching this one I almost feel like it feels not male Gezi at all but like it does feel more like the the usual like Superhero movie that was meant for a male audience. Like how? How do you react to that because it's been awhile since I've seen it so I need to rewatch it before I commit to that stance? It's just I don't know it. It still feels like even though it did a lot of amazing things like a movie. Captain Marvel is still sort of four assists mill gaze. Captain Marvel felt like from me because there were definitely moments where I was like. Oh this is a staff the like the I have nothing to prove to you. Moment with sessions Steph. Just literally never seen that before. But it's like the mean where Captain Marvel walked so birds of prey could run You know like Captain Marvel felt like a dipping their toes into the pool of will this work will the audiences that we're presuming are predominantly cysts? Men Still Watch and still WANNA come see this whereas Birds of prey felt like it was a a cannonball into the pool. Yeah no I like that and I completely agree. Yeah Okay so before we end everything. And we're we're going to start wrapping up now I just wanted to. Have you consumed any media as a result of watching this movie like anything further about Harley Quinn anything further about any of the other characters I know for me bill ahead. I'll tell you more about me. That side of I have been too busy currently but we are very excited to start the animated Harley Quinn serious you need to watch the Harley Quinn show finished before. We started recording. Oh my gosh okay just watched like a couple of clips like laying in bed the other night and you're like. Oh Oh no this needs to happen but I just close the show last night. We'll see if we can take this quarantine and use it to that advantage. Yeah I highly recommend the Harley Quinn. Show on the DC Whatever you call it the DC streaming who but he'd laugh for platform yeah Out of my God like I. I've been laughing. I've been crying. It is exactly what you need from an adult piece of animation. It it has the like stupid silly humor of a lot of like other things but also of the adult nature that honestly this kind of needs as much as one of the issues. I know a couple of people have brought up in white. They they feel that birds of prey has not been An abject success because it had an R. Rating. And it's like okay. Yeah but honestly. If you're going to do Harley right she can't just be making stupid. Jokes also also also hate when female characters get infantilized like female characters. Have to clean up for consumption in media. You know so to take a character that is that is gnarly like no one would ever dream of making a joker movie. That wasn't like dark and scary and whatnot. So why are we even considering taking? Harlan has yeah. Yeah and so why? Why would give the Tim Burton? It's in its campy but at the same time it's like no. It's still like the Tim. Burton movie is still very dark. But yeah sorry this so so then why would we even consider making harlequin knocked that way? She lives in the same universe but with more abuse. Why does she not get to show darkness? Yeah but But Yeah I look forward to hearing your opinions on the Harley Quinn show because honestly Klay Face King Shark and poison ivy or just at my everything right now. God King Shark in Clayton. You need to hear your opinion of close because All right so so this we were talking about birds of prey though I will freely admit after this for a little while was like I think I wanNA watch suicide squad now but I think you are. I mean Margaret Rotties Margot Ravi and will Smith and Viola. Davis isn't too am I wrong. Yeah mom displayed their waller. Yeah they're lovely and they were just done says should disservice because of how much screen time Leto got. Yeah which is very so things but Yeah well that's another thing is that they own this movie. They give absolutely no screen time to him. Yup We don't focus on the abusive man. We're looking at this. Is Her story when when they present him it's in cartoon. And he doesn't look like the weird gigolo gangster. He looks like a Classic Joker. Look at Hamburger. Yeah Yeah I can get behind that fuck it. Yeah are camel Mark Hamill Joker and Margot Robbie Yell Watch. That hung any day of the week. So is a transphobic. The immediate thought is they did not bring in Jared Leto. So they're they're definitely gaining points in my book. Yup in their way they're significant progress. So let's let's actually answer that question. Now that posed it is a transphobic is can be a scale of one to ten. It can be annoys. It can be however you WanNa represent your answer to that Rachel I I think there is definitely room for improvement. You know we can. We can cut out the jokes about Genitalia. We hit include Non Binary and Trans Folk but this is a huge step for Hollywood. It's I think it's going to open doors where people will be able to go. Yes this seems to be out there but look at look in birds of prey. Look what they were able to do and still make money. I I tend to agree For me I think the major thing is it doesn't necessarily do anything to specifically counter act. We are and bi phobia but at the same time It does a really good job of being an amazing movie. That people should look at an honestly look at as a way to say like there are way more ways to make a movie that involves gender issues and gender sexuality and sexuality and so it is a great step but it's not necessarily actively doing anything to stop but at the same time existing showing visibly Queer folks is still something. I WANNA celebrate so yeah noise. Yeah so then finally wasn't enjoyable. I WANNA watch. We got done with the movie. They had their little sort of cut scene at the end. And I was like Warren. Can we stay for the next show? Like I am ready to watch this again because there is so much there to play with unpack and it's it's just beautiful. Yeah Same Oh my God. No sorry there's like a there's an emergency vehicle in the back anyway. You heard the like twenty of them that has passed. I oh yeah so Yeah for me absolutely I. This is one that like you know finances or a little funky as always You know like with for everyone and so investing in a piece of media can be tough. I this is a purchase for me. This is not just not just see again but this is a when it comes out on whatever service I'm GONNA spend I'm gonNA find the money in purchase it as Funky at this movie cool. So is there anything else that we haven't talked about with birds of prey that we need to make sure we are stating I think we hit the big points that really stuck with me? Yeah Yeah No? I'm glad that we're able to do this. I think that the the the medical thing is people will probably be tuning into this or people will look at a lot of things and say like well. I mean it's not like why are you even asking? This question? Answer is because like we have to ask this not just of the things that are very clear but the things that are not we have to be able to ask whether things are transphobic not because There's clearly a trans person in it or there's clearly a joke where it's where that exists. But because we have to start doing deep dive into all media like is is a media that does not contain clear invisible transport in it is can that still be transphobic transphobic and or how Or how is media. That doesn't have trans folk in the room handling the topic of gender as well absolutely so I think that's why We're GONNA start asking questions about just pieces of media that I'm interested in tackling We're also GONNA start focusing more on pieces that aren't necessarily pieces of media but are just larger concepts. Police don't like that thank you. Thank you the lease sure. I'm just I'm just GONNA assume they're all from Brooklyn nine nine so that I can say anything because I love Brooklyn Ny. We'll we'll tackle that dad next. We'll turn nine while we're recording coca. Coca-cola no doubt no doubt no doubt so that said We were initially pushing for a show called Scowl Ladder Magadan Which is going to happen is going to happen We're going to make it happen right now. It's just been postponed by the tank While we're in times of a not quarantine but you know in times of self trying to keep away from a lot of people That's that's the best way I can describe it Obviously with a show like scowl where. It's all fighting. It's hard to do that over a Webcam. Like I feel like devolves into like. Oh I've got an invisible barrier. It's like Oh yeah well. A key barrier barrier-breaking punch anyway. So it's going to be coming back. We haven't figured out the exact way yet if you want support Scowl You can find me on Venema while have my mo- information in there and you can just say just put in the message that is for Scowl. We will put that away because we ran through. Most of the money were able to raise on rehearsal spaces which is great and wonderful and we were able to do it but unfortunately we're still going to need some ketchup rehearsals when announce so we will touch on it again. We put in front of people but we're also looking into the idea whether rehearsal spaces have a gift certificates and things like that so if you know of rehearsal space in New York City that gives that has gift certificates and you want to buy gift certificate to it. That's a great way to help us. Yeah it's it's a thing that we're exploring again. I don't know how real that possibility is. But it's a thing that honestly is is an immensely helpful thing Began you can find out. How can people find you if they want if you want them? Rickshaw can find me on instagram at Rachel Dot Weekly. I'm on twitter. I'm on I'm on. I'm on the twitter as at the poet. Kelp because I also made my twitter handle in a fit of Lindsey. Yeah you can find me. They're awesome for me. 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Seacrest Has Officially Changed His Instagram Bio To...

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104: Black Canary

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104: Black Canary

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Yeah this is a good time and like you know I mean I you know I will say streaming slides do keep up before can't stuff so it looks gorgeous either way but there is something that just having it pop it in. You're not waiting for buffering. You're just getting that CRISP CRISP BLU ray picture You know who else is going to have all the music stuff. Hbo Max they have the right in fed up uploading all of it. And you know they're my I was. GonNa say there my baby Mama. We're in a relationship together so well this week. I have no segue last week. I had the best segues but this week. I have no speaking of relationships. We have assistant editor at the Mary. Sue She's also the CO host of it's lit from PBS. It is Princess Week High Wet. Thank you so much for having me on are you all. Are you binging anything right now? I am currently binging deep. Space Nine is my first drag. Like for real for real. I got really into discovery and I was like well. Let me watch the other black one and so and I'm having a good time with it. It's sadly very topical and relevant right. Now John No joke. If you'll be proud of me because I've been Binging is Joe Saudi your stories. I was like oh you see how you like those buff men. Oh He's so thick happy he's so thick and just beautiful. Staying is it's crazy. How in Joe Joe? They do not neglect the thighs. Like they're they all their buff upper body but they also have like quad. That's talking about. He's like if the hulk where like royalty or something you. Yes Oh my gosh yes so I'm just I'm still in season one but I heard it gets even better right seasons season. One is kind of hard for people because of that royal kind of Cheesy Talk. It gets a little bit earlier and part two of season. One when it like bumps up to like the seventies and then after that it's a little more current and that's when it's really it's really easy watch but I didn't mind it too much Nina because I actually love. That was like. Oh this is Hello Lake County Monte Cristo. Vi- correctly yeah. And then yeah with me. What I'm binging is. The show called Gin Tama. Which is it's it's an animated but it's like comedy action and it's been really. It's funny because they do a lot of like topical Japanese humor and they'll try and you know how anime when it subs though. Like put a whole chunk of information at the top of this. Like you have to pause it. Because it's like a paragraph explaining a joke within a paragraph of dialogue and. I'm like what hold hold but it's been it's been a fun watch and Yeah I've just been enjoying that so I'm real excited that we're all nice nerdy teens or we're getting some nice and Nerdy tangs Talking about a character from DC. Who I feel like. She's she's been getting a lot of waves from birds of prey. But you know her name's have been popping up. You know quite quite a bit. 'cause was correct me if wrong but she was part of the Or I guess it was the same name the the other birds of prey. That isn't the one that was the movie right the TV show. Yes yes a version of her was in it says aversion. What if he's talking about this week recovering Black Canary? And if you did you get to watch birds of prey yet. No I'm an idiot. Yeah I have on my on my like q but I have not watched it because I've been doing all these. These super bugs live streams while it is fantastic. It's why I mean obviously we're all kind of up in arms about the fact that it's not so good didn't like not getting the credit. Obviously that it deserves but another thing I want to say is the fight. Scenes are glorious. Like they're really good. They're orange graft so and just funny like honestly just funny in like dark but lighthearted and has you know each woman is so different and definitely worth checking out. But it's kind of crazy because people were like euler watching tiger king and you can't even spend ninety minutes watching purge of fall into that category whereas like trust me. It's all my list. It's definitely one hundred percent in my stuff. I was almost going to mess up and say out the other word. But it's definitely in my lane is just one of those things where like it came out in that. That's what's so interesting to I will say 'cause I I'm sure later in the podcast will really get into just how weird it was for the promotion of this movie but even like now when everyone's at home it really seems like the they didn't do any promotion. That was out the way I found out it was out was from my friends posting. You're watching I was like that's weird. you know you would think that you push this release even harder since everyone is stuck at home right now and you don't know it just feels everything around just the lack of promotion both onscreen and on on. It's like you know digital release just feels off Agreed well practice. I wanted to start with like what was your first introduction to Black Canary. That you remember So my first introduction to her was when I watched Justice League unlimited. There's an episode where she shows up and I remember the. It's you see a panning shot. And she's on top of this truck. Nec like her like boots. Fishnets first and then she just destroys five burglars with all this amazing martial arts skills and I knew that I was hooked. I just I fell in love with that character. I loved how she was both very sexy obviously but like competent. She can just step into a room and just destroy everybody in there either fighting hand to hand or using her canary. Cry and I was a stand from that moment. What about you? Do you remember your first introduction when he first saw her you have my my first introduction to black canary. I think is win. Win Did that. When when did the birds of prey show pop up? Let me let me see that in the two thousands right no there was like a live action version of action. One was there. Were a couple the earliest one one like ever. It looks like nineteen seventy definitely not. Okay yes in the birds of prey like the actual show. Yeah two thousand and two so that was kind of like when she kinda was on my radar for me Indefinitely yeah her justice Louis Appearances but also she was doing some stuff during like the new fifty two era and I think that's when I got sprinklings new fifty two. I was right when I was in the in the like the the the critical mass of me buying comic books and having a poll poll list like it was It was like the HE ROIC age. I think they're trying call it for marvel and new fifty. It was brightest day and then it led to new fifty two. We had the flashpoint event. And so I got. I took this as an opportunity to really get to know characters in DC outside of me and they had this really cool dead shot as a pirate you know because they did these aught series during Flash Flash Point. Because there's all these alternate universe all these heroes and one was where Batman was Bruce Wayne's father and it was actually his son that died and his son and wife it was like really cool stuff but then at the new fifty two stage they kind of rebooted everything and I kind of try to get a little bit of everything and so she. She was sprinkled around because there was the team Where they had a team seven I think it was called and and I was seeing a little bit of her in that You know I don't remember maybe it was also in two thousand and two but I really remember when She popped up in Smallville. Oh yes that was that was after. Oh Yeah Ooh the mims Ya and then of course in in the CW were like. That's what I remember until this movie like you know the most vividly but obviously also in the animation and the animated shows but I think like actually the embodiment of like seeing her in live action. That was mine until birds of prey until this film came out. Yeah but yeah I mean we before we get too deep that we can go into the intro into You know the nitty gritty of Black Canary. Which is the fact that Robert Haniger and car carmine? Infantino created the character nineteen forty seven to be featured in flash comics as supporting character appearing. First as a Klatten Stein crimefighter who infiltrates criminal organizations to break them from the inside Black Canary was drawn fishnet stockings and black in a black leather jacket to connote images of sexualize. Yet strong female character she appeared as a character in the backup story featuring Johnny Thunder. Yes this is From Karma it says I was drawing Johnny Thunder which was not much of a character. I suppose he could have been better. Because his thunderbolt was interesting but the situations they were in pretty juvenile dog candidate. Roy wrote these stories and he had no respect for the characters. Wow it's always running when we discovered t there's so much these stories were nowhere near as good as the flash stories. Dc knew it. They knew bender was a loser. This is a lot on the black canary to the series immediately. She got a good response in. It was by Johnny Thunder. Nobody missed him. Wow he was a scribe. This is open public knowledge so I don't mind quickly spilling not on this Ben Affleck thing. The gone girl commentary had director's commentary. David fincher was like there was a scene. Oh in this scene where Ben Affleck is putting on a hat and going through the airport and he doesn't WanNa be recognized from the news and he was like given like something. How unprofessional of an actor. Ben Affleck's he Where a Yankees hot even though it would fit the character the characters from because he's because Ben Affleck is like a Boston fan into that lines up with fear and he said he said it. Shut down production for four days so my guys had to sit around for four days we wasted and he just did not care you just straight up was like he's unprofessional. And I was like and it was in a commentary for his movie wild on my God in his defense if they tried to get me to wear a Celtics Jersey. I'd be like now wrote. I don't know ten minutes relief. Meanwhile Chris Evans's from Brooklyn for life so I can be done. It's black. Canary is ranked seventy first greatest comic book character of all time by wizard and gene rated. Her it's eighty first greatest all time comic book hero. She's number twenty six on the comic buyers guys to one hundred sexiest women in comics list. Wow you've got a huge bump up when it turned into the sexiest women in comics. We talked about this in other episode but it was kind of wild. How anime women anime get seen as being over sexualize? When you look at our comic book covers from the nineties in its slake boobs that are so big. It's like looking like just looks. That's what's so funny too watching My hero academia and how they have characters like midnight on and but is it mount lady who are like overtly like kind of especially midnight midnight. Her whole thing is how sexual and how everyone finds. But then when you think about that my hero academia is based off of like Western comics. And it's almost like almost makes you wonder if they're almost making fun and winking at Western audiences of being like. Oh Yeah you always make fun of anime characters. But here's how y'all superheroes be looking. I think the hundred percent right because the other women in it aren't like there's women that have smaller you know in my hero and so like it specifically especially because all my is kind of making fun of or at least a nod to Western superheroes But it's just funny to me that we never talk about our own stuff and we're always like they're sexualizing. It's like no we have that also like a lot of these characters are teenagers to especially star fire. Oh my Gosh Dr who boy. And I don't know if you remember. Princess the new fifty two star fire. That was so even had everyone had to be like okay. This we went too far. We went to infamously Bob that even fans were like I think this is. Do you know when St Win. Steve Carell in the forty year old Virgin. He refers to boobs as like bags of say. That's what I think of some of these comics. It just looks like the boobs are about to burst. Open like it reminds me of like when my sister-in-law was breastfeeding. It's just like there's Boston out of this. That's what I mean about paid but where it's just like it just looks like they're about to bust through their Skin Cup runneth over for sure So at her Golden Age debut black canary was the alter ego of DNA drake are denied Dinah Dinah Drake it participated in crime fighting adventures with her love interest and eventual husband. Got Them City. Detective Larry Lance. Did you press like this run or like her? Having a husband. I have to say my favorite incarnation is actually her daughter but I do like it. When super powered women have scrubs verb husband's like that's how I feel when I watched wonder woman with Steve Trevor? Like he's very much the sub like he's very he's very much like she wears the pants and he's okay with that so. I do love that about these ladies. If you need to make a comment like that the supporters Dad. Yeah Good Good Support of dad and I like those concepts unlike a good support. Dad Mom and daughters out there fighting crime. And I'm just you know here doing dishes so black canary was originally a hand to hand fighter without superpowers who often pose as a criminal to infiltrate criminal gangs later. Stories depicted her as a world-class martial artist with a superpower the canary cry as a high powered. Sonic scream which could shatter objects in incapacitate even kill powerful foes Actually did really like how they showed that in the new birds of prey movie. I was like wondering exactly how they would If they were like burst out our eardrums in that neither but I felt like they did a really good job of that so You know fun thing listeners. So after the crisis on infinite earths event black blacken areas origin was altered and the character were now two separate people Dinah Drake and her daughter Dinah Laurel Lance and Dinah Drake Mary private investigator Larry Lance and acquaintance of James Gordon and after loss of her husband retired Dinah Lance raised. Their daughter raised their daughter Dinah Lance who grew up surrounded by her mother's friends and former teammates of the justice society odd by Mother's exploits as the Black Canary in the adventures of the Justice Society. Dina aspire to become a superhero in however the older Dina did not approve of her daughter's wishes. Well it'd be. I did want to hop into her powers. And we're going to do that right after these messages. What's up. Y'All how you doing nerd Fam- I got some good news for you? This episode is sponsored by blue. I know you're really excited about this. You know I'm single again And you know being single at twenty six is different than being single now at thirty one. You know you gotta you gotTa get increase that performance. Get that extra confidence. You're all about those gains all about those gains in all parts of my body. That's why it's all about Blue Shoe DOT com. That's blue like the color. Blue Blue Shoe helps you. 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Get a free seven-day trial plus fifteen percent off your first three months with code nerd. Valid for monthly subscription. Only expires may thirty first of this year and redeeming. Dc UNIVERSE DOT com slash join again this DC UNIVERSE DOT com slash join. We are back. We're still talking about black canary. I wanted to talk about her powers because we kind of touched on them but Princess aside from her sonic scream. Her Black Canary cry. What are some of the other powers that she's known for well? The her other really abilities are more combat style. She is after lady. Sheva in Batman one of the top tier fighters in the DC universe period. She's training in like several different sorts of combat skills and even with her canary cry. That is changed over time. But the most consistent thing about her is that she can basically kick anyone's but in any situation She has beaten up Batman before and that was fantastic. Watch I feel like most people have an advantage over that man because he's literally wrapped in rubber like it must be so difficult for him to move all the time and then okay so she we have a list here of like all of her different martial arts style which is like every style ever. She has been trained by other top tier fighters including wild Cat Lady. Sheba CASSANDRA CAIN in wonder woman. Okay so with the comics. In nineteen ninety-six Oracle summoned black canary to work as an agent for her after mission. With her first agent power girl went awry. The duo formed the birds of prey and win. Dina began working with the birds of prey. She got rid of her blonde wig in bleach bleached her hair blonde so she went full. Blonde at first Dina did not get along with Oracle but eventually the to put their disagreements aside and became best friends as far as the birds of prey run. What do you think are just what do you think like attracted people to this comic so much because it Kinda just has lived on pretty comically? I think for a lot of people. It was a great way to highlight Oracle. Because this was like the really big thing that she had done post becoming bat girl and now is oracle so it was great seeing all of these women coming together to basically pick a team and even though Chuck Dixon is the one who originated and Gals. Simone took over the series in like two thousand three. She really allowed all of the women to have really interesting dynamics. There were allowed to have genuine disagreements as squad but like really build together and I think that In comparison to the film a lot of people really miss in wanted was that Oracle on Dinah Hunter S. relationship because that was like the core three of the of the birds of prey for a long time. Yeah and so then. They ended up adding You know a Harley Quinn Poison Ivy and I wanted to say Gail Simone which is just so she. And we've talked about on this podcast. Her like women fridges which is still up. She's the one that Kinda coined that term as far as Women being killed or hurt in some way to further the plot of a male character. She is a treat to also follow on twitter She it's trust Alexi non people constantly. She people will be like. What do you even know about comex or like what you know about this person? And she'll like take a shot like a screen shot of her library at. It's just like she's like read the names on it and it just her name written on like all of the comics is absurd when nurture to come for her online. That's leg. Do you even know who you're talking to like. Yeah yeah no exactly. It's so funny. I just loved watching her flex constantly but also as someone that that understands how often women are. Kinda just used as a very stereotypical trophy ways was so great to have her not only getting obviously but also known for wonder woman I mean. She's one of my favorite one Roman writers but just like being able to take full reins on the essence of the birds of prey. Movie like just having women involved you can feel it like in the bones of you know So that was really. That was really awesome. And if you haven't picked up these comics. It's a great time to still get comics. I think even a lot of comic book places are still trying to stay afloat. This is just like a sidebar. But you can do like no contact like pick up and stuff with his fellow comics. Hit Them Up. Ask them you know they're trying to still. They're still trying to stay in business so it's a time to catch up on comics right now. Very true very true. We got lots of time inside so feel free to go ahead and get at the pool list. It's so funny because I'm looking at this her from when we cook on the animation thing in the The artwork she looks like Harley Quinn so I'm really change that the movie because it's like it would just be to Harley's know for sure. They really like I was rewatching suicide squad the other day and I just have so many notes on Harley's costume I hate every almost everything about it. I hate the best thing is margot. Robbie is talented but like man male department. Yeah they went and ran with it. So yeah so the the first animated appearance of Dinah Drake is the basis of the character. Donna Nance The Black Siren whose voiced by Jennifer Hale and the Justice League animated series Episode Legends in two thousand and two then the Dinah Laurel Lance version which was voiced by marina backward appears in the Sequel Series Justice League unlimited where she's member of the Justice League and she has a romantic relationship with Green Arrow and The partnership would huntress during that series. Which is bri like that that kind like Kinda lobbed it up to what would make the air overstating be like. Oh we need to bring her into the air diverse keys on ray an arrow verse like she's Really. I'd love her. I love her in that series and on the CW. I'm really glad with like also a great also great channel that has a lot of bad ass women Queer People. They were like the more queer people in women the better. I really respect them for doing that. I wanted to save Jennifer Hale. Little known fact is actually the voice of Cinderella Doshi when the original Cinderella passed away. You know we're getting to a point where some of our original Disney princesses are passing on. The mainte- gets handed to the net. She has voiced Cinderella for twenty five years. I believe she was on Disney princess panel with the original princesses at Cod so that was really cool. She doesn't always get the credit. But like whenever you hear Cinderella now that is her so she's carrying on the legacy of that character. It's pretty cool so the the Black Canary that. I'm looking at right now. She has these gray elections Black boots kind of like a blue top Or a Navy there thank you and to joker and this was heavily. Heavily changed for a movie so practice. Can you talk a little bit about her in her looks? I love what they did for her in the movie. Yeah for sure like the fish. Net style is iconic. That's very much want black canary wears. But I definitely think that they did a good job at updating. The costume costing that she wears at the end of the movie is a nod to sort of one of her older bodysuit costumes that used to exist. It was very disco And I think all the choices they made because there is one where she's singing. It's a man's relatives wearing a fish net dress which looks amazing and I think everything she wears is something that Dina would wear In her day to day garb And I just wanted to do something that was a little bit less Voyeuristic but still sexy. Because I think that you know she still wearing like this really great body? She still wearing these tight pants. But it's a little bit more functional than straight up core set bodies to boots and Fishnet leggings. Yeah a great choice. I also WANNA say in every iteration of her as she also a singer. That's newer on. I believe in during one of the new fifty. Two relaunch is they did a stand alone series with Diana. I believe it was Dinah Drake Incorporated the singing into it and that sort of built in since then so it's a fairly new addition but it has I just wanted to say one of the things that's really interesting about Diana as a character in like the Black Canary is that she was part of the original on Justice Justice Society of America. So she's been like a really important figuring comics a really long time but she's just very underrated because she's both a legacy character and she kind of gets overshadowed by some of them were powerful females staple characters like Your wonder woman in your supergirl. But I think the fact that she's managed to be so popular from the late forties onward just shows like how special she is in how much people do like to see a female character who's power is half just your physical combat in. Also she screams at euro loud. Yeah if I had a superpower that would definitely be mine because I used to always say that. I wanted to stop time. 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I think that other than when they first tried to like make her play both teams in the early days of creation. She's pretty much been a solid hero. I think that more has to do with easy trying to figure out how to deal with Harley with the fact that she was a villain for so long and I think they attach her two characters like Diana like a Barbara Gordon. He sort of allow us to see the Gooden Harley rather than the season moral Ramos in those women. Gotcha yeah that makes a lot of sense. It's I mean the icy hardly the same way I mean. Poison Ivy is seen depending on whose viewer looking at. She's Avila I mean. She literally plays a villain in the Batman movies. But when you think about it she's actually not really doing anything that villainous. She's trying to six. She believes in plants in like humans are ruining things she's a scientist and it's just like Hughes. Whose viewpoint are you looking at? But however I do her in Harley as being definitely more chaotic wake Harley has like a this chaos energy it's more like showed like do anything to get what she wanted my opinion And so I feel like black. Canary has slightly more morals than not however in birds of prey. It is really fascinating if we get another film how they're going to explore this. Because I do agree that I feel like her being coupled with some of these other women it kind of seems like they're more on the criminal like high st type of vibe. Yeah it'll be interesting for sure. I think what I did appreciate it. Sort of how at the end. They kind of do separate Harley from the rest of the gang they're like Oh yeah there's those do gooders the birds of prey. I think if we do get a sequel. I don't even know partly might actually be in it. I think they might try and do without and just go. Slow BIRDS OF PREY FOR BIRDS OF PREY. But if they do bring Harley in. I think it'll be another situation where They are trying to do something. Legitimately good and Harley will be brought in because There's something that she wants involved or because of her relationship with Cassandra they might be like. Oh I have to protect this kid and she wants to be nice to these other ladies. Well something that I if he was talking about the promotion of this movie and I think it might have been. I don't know if calling it. Birds of prey which we all know the Comic Book World. But a part of me felt like that might have been people. That aren't as familiar. Like you said the. It's not a wonder woman where it's like so known by. Its name where I saw a lot of that conversation happening online now granted. I'm sure that it could have been promoted a lot more. But you are going against turn think of how to word this in its characters. Aren't on the list right here. Which is fine. But I mean marvel's been doing that. We just talked about marvel will take characters. Put HIM UP. And it's not that there's Louis like their storylines it's just because people don't know them as well so I feel like a part of that might have also led into this like some of these women aren't as well. Some of these characters aren't as well known to. They almost need twice the market. It's interesting I had. I've had this conversation like all the time with my friends and my coworkers because like I am very familiar with all of these characters on and I think something like guardians of the galaxy were. It's like no one knew who those who those characters were but people just trusted the marvel brand so much at that point that they were willing to take that kind of risk with a movie like that also is pg thirteen and I think that It also I think it sold the storyline better in the trailers. I think that when you look at the trailers for birds of prey. They're not terrible. I don't think they properly communicate what the film is about. And I also think that Harley clan is one of the biggest DC characters out there I think someone referred to her as the fourth tier after the big three which is like Batman. Superman wonder woman which is incredible for carried. Let like literally my age because she was invented in nineteen ninety two but I think that at the point. Birds of prey came out. People were still kind of like about DC movies. They were still kind of About the whole vibe. I think that suicide squad was really bad. People didn't know if it was equal to suicide squad. They didn't know how tough it wasn't that so I think. Birds of prey unfortunately absorbed a lot of the DC ISSUES STIGMA. That was already in the ether. I would've thought that would have been over. After she ZAN aquaman mandate well. But you have that. Plus the whole element of this is a female lead superhero movie with like all women to villainous dudes and it was the first. I think it's the first female lead a comeback movie of this like over that is really targeted and framed towards a non SIS head male audience. And I don't mean that in an inflammatory way but I mean it's not it's written by women as directed by women that catered is on his women. It's very diverse. You know it's like one of the few marvel movies that will call a character in text. it is one of the few that have like actual like an older. Latina Lesbian woman in the And Show Knob some very good delicate Taj at one point so I think it just it was it. I think it should have done dead. Pull numbers but I don't think that the audience for Deadpool is inherently the audience for birds of prey in that sucks says. The movie is excellent but I think that being rated are having a Catholic people didn't really know and just being part of a brand that has been very mesh Just made it very hard for people to like. Take a risk on this film. Yeah so I guess aside from because my my answer I guess was to do more promoting. Do you think that there's something else that could have been done to kind of get this film the attention that it should have? I think that it's Because I'm in New York so I thought promoted everywhere so it's hard to them in that kind of industry bubble but I think it I think honestly it should have been pg thirteen just through like an audience boundary thing like turning a broader audience. Excuse me and I think it should have just done more individual poster trailers. I think that they should have just called it. The BIRDS OF PREY. I think calling it. The British pray in the glories emancipation of Harlequin was just too long. No one knew that back to simplified the title simplified the brand and really worked curate it in like put promotion when we had conventions more events for that just more engagement social media I think overall did as specified jobs they could isolate of things for it. But I think that that's because I'm in New York and people you know put in money there but I think other places didn't really get that promotion. No it's wild because when totally differently but When coca came out it was like all over La. But I would here like fans and stuff on twitter would be like. I haven't seen a single billboard like anything for at all in like the south in so it was just Kinda like I guess. Maybe some places are picking and choosing where. I wonder if some places they're like. Oh it's not even worth it. They won't even go. You know right. Yeah because I had friends who lived in light Portland one of my friends those in Kansas City. And they're like. Oh Yeah. I haven't seen any promotion for it. Meanwhile on at Times Square being like ten different Harley Quinn posters leg. I'm seeing a lot of I. Don't think it had that broad marketing campaign behind it. We're all the people who are super hot topic in our like. She was his queen and he was her king and nobody would Joe Burton. We're all the joker heads. Why did they not although I did see? The hot topic line was phenomenal. Aces so I. It's it's really difficult and I'm like I'm looking at like the budget for this movie. And just compared to like other big name films. It was very small like the budget. Share suicide squad. I'm looking at right now. Is like one hundred and seventy five million dollars and for birds of prey. It's between eighty and a hundred million so it's like you know the UH smaller budget you know means less marketing other places and it. Just it's a bummer. Yeah we'll hopefully people listen to. I mean go and watch it. We haven't given anything away so hopefully No spoilers here and I hope that you all listening we'll go and check it out because it is super dope and I do hope we get another one I'm pretty sure will continue. I mean here's what I'm thinking. Is there gonNA pull in Poison Ivy like straight up? I'm I'm pretty sure that she's going to pop it into one of these if she's not already going to be in the Batman and that's what I want to see. I need you know now that Harley is broken away from the joker I need to go ahead and see her live. Her life with Poison Ivy may have their Vegan farm together and they're growing vegetables. That's like the world that I see next is like now you're in this If you are emancipated and whatnot. Now you're in the healing process of like letting your guard down with someone who understands the life that you went through and like I don't know very into it. I've read too much fan fiction. Now that's the truth. That's what we deserve. What about you? WanNa see for the future of the franchise or Black Friday definitely want to see More more like birds of prey content. I like I like that idea. That was just floated about You know if the sequel was just the birds of prey and this was just an interaction with Harley and if this was a device you also not only introduce us to the adventures of birds of prey but slowly introduce other female villains like you know maybe get like poison ivy appearance down line. Get some cat woman in there. You know just slowly but eh just introducing the new rogues gallery to the point. Where then they stop being. You Know Friends. They actually go toe to toe and of course. I'm always pushing for having more ladies. Who are quote unquote because having Renee Montoya Lake? That was just so amazing. Because it's just like. We had a great resurgence. This past year of having Jamie Lee Curtis and not Linda. Why my blanket underneath from Terminator Linda Hamilton Yet Linda? Hamilton sailing mccarter. Linda Carter can come back to But like I'm their bad ass like they're they can still kick butt in like. I Really WanNa see that happening more in these comic book films if we can have men playing like villains in superheroes until Robert Downey junior fifty five so like which. It doesn't feel that old to me but like we can have more women that are in their fifties and sixties to know for. Sure my dream for my birthday. Pray Sequel Dream is that they will bring. Lady Sheva has She's Cassandra canes mother and they'll just be the and she's been a longtime birds of prey like antagonised and so it'd be perfect to bring her and and nicotine see some amazing fighting. You can get like an older. Will replace CASSANDRA TEI is. China is Korean and Filipino. So you could get like a brown Asian woman to like play this role and be like this awesome martial artists in just a lot of amazing female fight scenes. I think that'd be so cool. I am going to nab her from marvel but Angela Bassett. I think we could. We didn't really get to see her fighting as much and I think I think we can go ahead and pull over to. I just WanNa see I know Over there so Hayek is GonNa be in the terminals Ray. So it's just more women in their fifties and sixties that I think our glorious and just should be kicking by it. I think You know if this If birds of prey the movie inspired you definitely go out and get like support them in the comic books and by those comic so you know people can can keep reading them and You know spread the Gospel since what I? That's what I always like to say. What is that you have for people that are now interested in checking out Black Canary Water? Do you have any comments that you recommend a hop into? I definitely recommend the birds of prey run. That was by the else simone. I think it's very good at really explaining who the characters are any Good on Dinah. Also her standalone series for the new fifty two was also really excellent. She's tends to be a lot more in Green Arrow. 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Birds of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn) SPOILERS

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Birds of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn) SPOILERS

"This episode of Capes and lunatics is brought to you by tweaked audience awesome headphones good at tweaked audio dot com and use the coupon code. Southgate get thirty percent off free shipping and a lifetime lifetime warranty where he can get there through the link on our website Southgate Media Group DOT com. You're listening to casing lunatics podcast. There's a thin line between heroism and madness here. The line fades to nothing at all. This is a world of Capes in lunatics and nothing is off limits pearly Quinton. The birds of prey came out this weekend so I figured her jumping right in nothing. I can say well. Well Anyway. World come back to the camps and lunatics at this the one hundred and am forty. Three I believe I am bill. shorting me as always Queen Queen of Florida Prince of New Jersey Charlie super after and the of the Superman. It's Thailand yes Harley Quinn all right that's I think that's a that's another weakness of the marketing. What the Hell's the name of the birds of prey for birds of prey in the Amancio a Harley? Quinn's tablets okay. Let's go through this Harley. Now that it's a it's a burden it's the birds of prey. Film Burgess. Thank you know how I feel about long. Titles will yes yeah. Everybody feels that way. And that's why he just gets comes known as birds of prey so unsigned equal side. Quill okay okay. So no one can accuse a white men of TR- trying to poop on on this film Little Hellfire Lifelong Female Fan. What did you think it is moving? Well directed this. Are we show the cover if not jazz jazz wing director of up close and personal sats the Gooch. That's what I'm saying. I'm pretty sure maybe that maybe that's what Margot Robbie wanted. No she actually does not want that. She said next time. I'm not wearing happy. And she was very uncomfortable with it. She showed a lot less skin. And this film. Let's be clear but it still is what it is but I mean especially with modern Harley. It's like she doesn't want to show skin but I mean come on the character these days too late to go not red black and white John Sister with the Gillette dumbs Don. I wasn't too bothered by the costuming. Although the whole Marucci sleeves I wasn't quite sure what she was doing with that. But but it didn't bother me so much What really bothered me is the thing about what? What bothered me about Harley? This is is she a Super Ninja or is she a gunman. Because it's the go in another room if you don't want spoiler oilers. Yeah glint tristen okay. Yeah but now. You're listening stuff. Yeah yes but that's that's the thing it's like you although when when spoilers when she gets captured she's tied to the chair and she's just sitting there and it's like I'm waiting for. I heard like you know. Do The you know backflip. Out of the black widow and just flip out of the chair and do the chair break and start kicking some butt end. I know she's like okay. Let's let's the guy slap her around. She goes into a really disappointing musical number. That doesn't even progress anywhere. It's just the money Charlie. Okay okay you know that on your waited but you know that on the way out now well well. I know that I know that this to me seemed like everything that we were trading away from the DC. You back baby Russian close up those good gracious wonder woman Zam. Okay well have have a few words. Thanks okay yeah where wonder woman trilogy. What's like I know? I don't even like Charlie. Charlie was holding out hope for this movie then once he saw me and him with solder unstable time yesterday. 'cause Charlie your messaging me like results like leaving the theater and I was just like what did you say you were like. Oh I think they're missing like half the script or something. I think you probably hated it. Yeah I I'm hyper what what did I do that to. Victor's ahead blackmail ask. How do how dare you Komo? I know nothing made. Nothing made me long for Gotham Za`Z. More prisoners has been better than ever. Yeah and the black mask I mean in the two seconds we saw you could tell it was like styrofoam or something. I don't even know what the overs that were releasing people left the novel if not just meter. -Oday Armadillo Jersey Ohio. I don't know but I mean yeah and I feel you on the Zaza and Black Mask GonNa Sandra K.. And like I said you know she's supposed to be one of the deadliest players in the DC universe and like I like I listened. She's claimed side kids she's like it's I like Russell from pole to. Yeah the kid with attitude but you know the really can't fight or do anything. We need a kid with attitude. They're just cannibalizing cannibalizing. The Bat Pam for Harley Quinn like she named Bruce I'm like no you could or couldn't name them better. Why didn't have to be Bruce Names in the cartoon? Why basically just taking all the things out of this by the way is just so? We're clear oh he did have scenes. It's much different themes of him and he got cut out so that I know hot topic joker Yamaha feel. It's just or is it seems like they take the names of some of these characters than just do whatever the hell they want with him Okay so we did like. Why didn't they do that? Got Hundreds late. Are they going to spend off. That's why she like on petition for Huntress Take Off. That's all I'm saying. He was robbed. I know they should have been more with her. I mean I think I liked her character more than pretty much anybody in this movie but may because we got the least amount of her. Yeah yeah that's exactly what it is and I'm just surprised by Rosie Perez as Raymond. Soya obviously she's always. I need a code name. They don't namedrop home another could have made her faceless at the end of the movie or something. Yeah I feel like we've got to Harvey Dent shout out though they just weren't ready to commit to it. There's talking about. Yeah not not the age that she was. Mother was also said. The other district attorney's attorneys out about Harvey. That's in my head. Cannon could conduct this to the Batman. Somehow I felt so bad for the pets inverse right now look at the bat in verse. I know that I mean the the if they connect those the Tomlin's can be all screwed up. Says he'll be like is is hardly the this is the EU what's that DC in general renee Montoya's order than everybody and how hardly might be older than that Pat. Oh my Lord yes we get a shout out to our stuff too eager though they they couldn't resist. Oh Ah I saw that. I heard you screaming. We offer not shout out to sexy redhead. Scientists matched to be named draft at the the beginning of the animated thing. I don't know if you notice that like walkers the I was watching a little bit of the cartoon because of those spoiler the end I was just like. Oh that's on that. They tried to incorporate that the cartoon where Batman Abidine. Yes well that's what they should have did. They should've had poison instead of the birds of prey. This should I got them sirens. That's what this movie should have been. Yes but we've got. I guess we have cat woman. Yeah Poison Ivy in the Batman which is why we couldn't do it. I don't do require background numbers price. Well that it's going to be. Tricky thing is how Gordon is now officially black in the May Batman Universe in or fan. Boys whose. Everything's thank you know. Unfortunately none of this. I don't like I said you know this kind of feels like housekeeping from the old d. See I guess you know. It doesn't extinct at universe. It's just all a mess. Why get this and wonder woman eighty four? I get get a job. You don't get issues. Am to welcome in to. Actually this is something I noticed. I don't know if anyone else did. But when you go to that that certain thing in the show all the superheroes that's a blonde haired short haired Akron when all the heroes. So I I think I don't know I I don't know where that with all this nonsense but I don't think learners. I think they should have left this on Netflix. which is it really had the feel of net flicks? You know action adventure production. It seemed like it was sitting in my house. Clear be probably be loved the heck out in no one no no. That's there's nothing porn in this okay. Well just a car people say oh. It's not sexy enough. It's like okay. I don't know you know. Yeah I I look for. The black mask was was very lane. Cordelia they just enamored him. They turned him into Justin Hammer. Yes for my man to yes and and in fact I literally thing they went to him and said Okay you've never seen Ironman to hammer character flavors. Exactly right likes Justin Hammer. You'll pay him a little fee and over compensating for something for temperature taste. Yeah he's Justin Hammer as as zero killer crime within that I get like going for that. Oh Patchy and man babies in charge of kind of that that they were going for. I'm guessing you know. Now I'm a self made man that might parent you know. All they did was. Give me a silver SFU. I had lifted myself. You know kind of thing and I just don't I don't think that translated they didn't make it universal enough in the way they presented it in order to mean yet and it wasn't like it. It's not something that thirty years over to watch this. And that's why is he doing just hammer from Ireland. Is this supposed to be like Jeff. Namur yeah I know the character in the comics. He kills his parents so he can take over the company and stuff. It's like he's trying to prove anything of his family. And like you were saying I mean I guess you can make the timeline work but how old is black. Mouse have to be if he ordered the the head on the Bertinelli. How is as he was? Yeah I mean yeah. What was the youngest guy there but even so yeah I mean okay? So we assume that the girl was thirteen then and she's twenty three now. It's been ten years. You know so someone who was in their twenties thirties but then if he was at the if you ordered the hit how come. They didn't get the diamond net. That's what's worried about. It's like oh the loss diamond and I felt like to me. I thought the real real trick of the whole thing was going to be no. We didn't put it in a diamond. It was in that little white card overlook the thing that the mom gave the daughter just before they all got shot. That's his daughter. The man gives to Cassie at the end. 'cause it's like this stupid little trip but you carry it with you because Oh no. That's how ooh that's how I was able to live for so long. That's why guys save me has basically been living off Bertinelli fortune for the last ten years. Well this guy's been looking for some diamond. That really really doesn't even exist. I mean I mean I can buy them not finding the diamond after the original gunned down because you know maybe it wasn't in the house wherever they had it hidden somewhere but like I said at the end wise Harley pond in that thing if there's codes in it for the HCT Bertinelli fortune will they. They state that they pulled out today. Yeah because that's that's that's how but yeah choose. Bang rolling the birds of prey with the highly out fortune. Shooting there was a a lot of added in after the fact and something wasn't well thought out. Well that's basically my business. Well said they cut some they cut all the JAROD leader stuff. Do they cut a lot. 'cause I I mean. This thing was an hour forty nine. Well the only way four four to sixteen from what I understand now. This is supposed to be a AH find. You know. Comedy Action Buddy found so rent annex showed think they want to make the popmart they want they want their dead. They're dead poll. Like I said they use cassie Kane as really Russell. Everybody's saying that pool but this is a kill bill ripple a kind of so you can see them when she's in the police impound and the whole thing with the cocaine I'm like Oh God you want to be dead. Pulled him it to me. The the feeling I got from what was GONNA compare this to a comic book. It would be however our Charlie that it's a bad thing and you get hart what else when everybody in this world. Now they have to in because around northern or damaged by it. Now everybody has to react. Based on how this person's existing falters reality and and issues of deduct But again it's like I said it's the whole. The hurricane is not consistent in her own movie. The KNOXVILLE Ramsey. No He's a master cracknell. Sometimes he's hiding under a death and she has apparently black cat. Power is now served by not but then you know like I said when the two games come to shooter cloak thing. I don't know it just didn't feel like something Hollywood deal in the beginning. The first part of the movie I swear went. It's too slow. I mean we get it broke up with the joker we get it move them. Move the story forward. You know that that with running the truck in the chemical plant came much sooner was hoping the Roller Derby team was going to be a part of this. Yes Oh that's how we're going to meet the pray you know but but now they're just literally characters that are there for seeing to say yes she's you know has toxic relating blowing up a radical mm-hmm Nichols Peres's Montoya. Who knows how old Montoya is supposed to be? Because they they had done a million different ways she has more incarnations than Har hardly. I just didn't feel this Montoya. You know I mean I assume she was ordered his because they're like oh you're eighties cops cliche and stuff. I kind of get chose were named I play because she also came from the Batman the animated series and made the jump to the comics. Kinda get that connection a little bit Hannigan. Yeah but the thing about the first generation that's that the and again led trying to be other popular things. That's Brooklyn nine. Nine is Perot sees himself as India's COP character. But you know not for nothing. Rosie Peres is old enough to abandon an eighty here. You know she's old enough to abandon NFL in the eighties because they believe she was weighing. Amateur a young cap then. But still you know I just don't know by necessarily bought it. Yeah but fun. I'll get it now. I get it. Somebody is a huge fan of Seth Macfarlane. Because basically the Taylor guy you'll have to have been born in the eighties but actually spill a teenager. I get now. Somebody's Band I get it. Oh now that's yeah let it gives you it was all over the place and whereas I will I really thought I am. I am starting not to be that guy but man is it just. Nobody wants to say anything thing. Bad about email He's all the UC's we're always good reviews coming from DC patients highly suspicious that it was fitting meeting at like what a eighty three on rotten tomatoes Ali suspicious but but meanwhile fun. Like if you don't WanNa think about it and I think the R. Rating really did actually heard it. It actually did not need to be a rate already because I think the girls who love what that joker in highly romance would have came out a little bit harder had it not been rated R.. Yes except when go. Honestly they could've done jumping harleys round you know she doesn't you know that's the thing about relationships. It's some pines nine you back and then we don't have to just say no she left that goodness and maybe we can examine wii even though it is toxic. You know it's better when he's there you know just like eighties eighties. The Ninety S Sitcom about bad relationships. There would be idea that was presented. Just like you know I know I should leave but let me tell you I. I bet here when he was gone. 'cause sometimes leads here when he's years and it's actually better when he's here for all as bad as it is and I know that. Celebrate empowering Howard thing to say but there are a lot of complex relationships out there that are mets. Not In just that way where people who can't stand on their own. Sometimes you know together with another jump to try and walk straight on the streets but yeah I've put that's but that's mortaring Harley. These days Zeno with hits her breaking up with the joker and we waited that yeah. We needed that scene. Yeah no matter which way you cut it to make to give her the power that this movie is trying minded you. We needed the scene of leaving the joke and then breaking up and why because even if he just wanted to spin it from because we know like they make references. We know this movie is after suicide squad so no matter what they try to say about suicides was like or whatever like we know. This film comes someplace after because there are references to fill so we so just the but the way that movie ended with him breaking her out. We needed the scene of her leaving him. Next should have been our opening SIEGBURG. uh-huh along those same lines because then that sets her up then Unlikely the La- said like the FIS. It's Kinda hurt because of the fan base Harley Quinn. It has yeah I mean besides the F. The constant s bombs did we really need an r rating in this. No it was. It was the I mean you could maybe argue are with those floppy legs like I was talking about but they could have worked around. I didn't wanted them. They pay good money for those. Oh sloppy late so I mean that the cutting off of the dudes face yeah Three three so the anything. Yeah but it wasn't what someone after killing and again it wasn't like someone actually doing it. Does rose just like exploded overhead and stuff. No I think I did the art for language and then like we've got the are so we can do some like extra violent stuff me Linnea. They didn't really do anything with it. It's like Oh yeah you got the art for language and that means you have a little bit of a more of an open door. Yeah but then. They didn't walk through that door. No and Dan and honesty and again I gotta say I really feel that. This was all margot. Robie Ravi really stepping on everyone else's stories that she could the star. Because when you think about yeah but that bad you know that's bad when someone does that and I think we should be able to the. I literally said that before. This will be debuted the minute it was announced as the settlers Margot Robbie has some people at WB and Did you know that people love from Swat it. Just it's interesting to me. That how many different Harley Quinn tight movies were supposedly Rowsley being produced develops The they're supposed to be like if they had done everything. They could easily have had Harley Quinn movie the every year you could have done the joker and Harley movie they wanted ended that with them breaking up then go into this movie they could have done the thing about how many with many people had loved Harley Quinn all that attention that she got some suicide squad and then how long is movie took to get married. We waited for this. Obviously a rework rework of a reworking shows they. Hey we get that birds of prey with me out now that it was ending. Thank all the early ideas for the minute blender hip. Hooray and then what came out was the snow. You know. We're we're just GONNA do in the one so just put them all in one you know. And it's unfortunate wolf for Harley and who were the burden afraid because I don't think any the workfare thirty thirty three million domestic opening weekend I don't think so I think they said what it cost eighty to make and they make any point one million to make they made thirty three which is low to this kind of come down to what kills me is how much the the I actually kinda start to enjoy in the third act when they kind of get together like I enjoy the chemistry between Canary and huntress and they're bringing and I'm like man it ends and that kind of way of it. If you look at the ending of the film ends the kind of weather you're like man I wanNA see more. I'm Kinda up because you like the characters when they when it ends like huntress the way that would she actually starts interacting like she got got the short end of the stick. And there's some really good moments with her like when she tries to cover. Cassandra Kane's face vans like you don't need to see this when they're all fighting it but then nothing happens. This is it could have been a great movie except partly Queen Gone Away Zafy in that they were going back to the Roller Derby. Yeah what makes Harley. What makes the emancipation of Harley Quinn? A good story worry is her female friendships and bond that. Take her out of the jokes that she has poison ivy. That get for that said I can be on my own When you just ignore inherit supporting cast in Gift Have Them Be Essentially the Samurai that get wound up into this and then they give her? The ultra should have had an assigned picks. Now Bat. Matt Girl Right Senator. Kaine yes yes she's supposed to be. Yeah that's what I said. She's supposed to be one of the she's one of the deadliest players in the DC universe while they made Russell from deadpool to shoot or I don't like in this movie like avengers Finley any character. Yeah try to be like an actual comic. I'm a character I would have liked it. I mean I can say if I can accept that if they're going to go kind devote Robin Tim Drake. I think it was. It was widely Gary Jason Out Jason. Todd the Jason Hat route with her as sort of the juvenile delinquent. Become the bat girl. That's free pair with hunters at the end. Don't pair off with Harley Quinn unless you you know again he says no I get the girl at the end and you know I think that the weakness of but I think that Marco Rubio didn't know how to step back and let other people chiming in a film that could have been really enjoyable if it was about huntress interests and Montoya and Black Canary. I think that would have been a good and you can have hardly coming in and adding her special place here. They're too high together to give us a really great birds of prey film. You know. Characters are Rick Jones. He is great as a sidekick Pinkett. He's not he's not gonNA carry the whole bus in Rick. Jones knows that as a fictional character. He knows I'm I don't carry a whole book. But he can. He will make you a star if you put him in your and let him help you be a super tour. Like maybe the birds of prey verse Harley Quinn in but the tried to like mash them together just like this should have been like Harley had lake. The police look for her. Now that she's away from joker that she's free to thriller. She still escaped from the suicide squad. Ness like you should have had issue and it should be like you said maybe huntress or black canary. Someone was tracking her down and they were at odds. I I mean you could have easily done. This story is you have Harley Quinn. Getting the diamond. And then these birds of prey each coming together as they're trying to catch Harley Quinn and Harley Quinn kind of seeing it as a big Joe really taking over the role of the joker another thing that really bug me in this is this is clearly establish superhero universe and the mostly ever get reference to is that she named her bruce after that Hunky Hubris weighing in order the Bruce that Bruce Way and she was caught by the bat. But I guess because the film takes place during the the daytime most most episode seems there is no Batman is no reference to Batman get. There's no discussion of the Batman again at all again again. He again if you WANNA do a fourth wall break. She could've dropped the line where she was like. Oh Man I can't believe Batman hasn't shown up you'd think we were between Batman right now or something. Yes but that's what they wanted to commit to a Harley Quinn and then maybe didn't have that knowledge when they were writing the film you now Tom. They may have thought that and that might have been the rumor but they said you can't put it in the film put it in the film affects GonNa know and it's going to hurt our negotiations you know. I'm the contract. That's all contracts. And you know you you gotTA. If he's got the good aging. You can get paid Batman forever. Ever W Williams got to be a team face forever even though he never got his way at no. You know it's you know because you just decided oh I don't I believe Williams. I've never got. I never got why you don't want Landau coury seem to be to face. I'm Beth. I'm you buddy that's you. That's your a story. Well change directors and stuff too. So I'm who knows what we're doing on there you go. So that's that I. I really think that Billy Dee Williams do face so yeah Matt again. It's like why is there no reference. I mean that's what you don't even have to show him but really just they should have piled on the references to this Gotha notion had issues with the gang. Wars with you know the jokers day mostly with jokers. Gay should have been a fait. That joker has again. That joker is danger. or You coulda pulled like a two second thing like they did at the Zaman like shot up Batman from like the neck Downer down or whatever you know from behind something so he couldn't tell who who's been sued. Were you really wanna be all firmness. You can do about women. Yeah she's on. WBZ maybe he'll get it when they see the red hair. You know you could do whatever you want but again like I said I guess the show takes place in the daytime and Gotham is just a free refer all for Friday. It's like well you gotta get your bat rest. But there's this whole holding about like how traditionally diurnal creatures are becoming nocturnal because they're trying to avoid humans but that it kind of the opposite would be true for criminals. Like hey I mean. Does he come the daytime. But let's pull some broad daylight robbery and like Batman shows up and like you were saying about AFLAC and it's like doing all these twenty different movies vs that none of them are connected. It's like well. We could at least got commissioner Gordon. Oh wait no. He's going to be in the Batman so we can't do that we're going to have you can do ed something. That's like a freight of that while they dig into the Howard. The duck ambush by reference Uber Man can show up in ambush bug and he gets all ambush bug is in it. That doesn't take away from anything else. He doesn't in his Superhero Superman Universe I you know you could have had his damn flying across. I mean you could have done something kind of just had people often about it said. Oh did you hear in Faucet sitting. There's there's a new superman like what isn't enough. It's not enough for out there these days. Now we got to six of them to there's stories you can just little things like that that will serve you know. Come Down Four. How hard was it to drop? Commissioner Gordon's name said Arthur worried about crossing it with the Batman forever. Because who knows what you can. Yeah yeah the name and the yeah. I mean he's establishment is universally just said the name or what we could've got was one of science as people paying off the casting. We really got the idea of the corruption of gossips police. Oh that would've been perfect. You know look I just. Don't I get the feeling that's why they're not doing anything she didn't want to see him. It wasn't exactly and they should have been more scenes without her and again. I mean the movie started slow. So you really didn't have a lot of time. That fleshed out zillion hour forty nine minutes at least eleven more minutes. You know flush stuff out a little more making two hours laundry. The Real wasn't the black mass as Margot Robie doc really a great foam from us all and we should all be very mad at the birds of prey without Harley Quinn. No which Yan on the. But it's it the problem. Is they talked. It should have been a Harley Quinn film straight up and then we should have been excited that these birds of prey. There's got to see come in and kind of them swarm but you're breaking up tie but yeah I mean they should have gotten it. Let like equal time as Harley Quinn win. They really should have done an again. They shouldn't have done everything with harleys. See that's the thing so for example. If you had a a narrative device everyone got to tell their story so it's actually we You know even to a next Arash amount thing with with hardest thing when. That's not the way I heard it but you know or something like that you know or Argos and then the other person says No. That's not my story. Here's my story story. And that would that would have been interesting to play into that and would let these other people shot one. Because I think he spent like a whole like two minutes maybe on the hunters hunters origin. And it's like that was like central to the plot that's why that's why. Yes you know who she he has to kill and why she s and then really get why. We don't even get that who she has to kill worship. Well she she said you know. That's the guy who was in charge there. That was the trigger man and you know every all they know. Yeah but but that's the thing is you could have done a great story of Renee Montoya Tracking down on the crossbow killer and really great procedural and you'll feel cat-and-mouse and then bring in the canary because there's this thing about the diamonds you know some of the diamond that gets you can you. Can you can we Harley Quinn into this story but it's like you know they wanted to do a story and they weren't learnt there was really able to get that story across. I think that I think is the problem is that they wanted a story that they couldn't quite figure out how to make they try to match two movies together should have been either Harlequin when solow movie or her an Ivy Like I said Harlequin verse birds but it's not tried them bed. Do Birds of prey and Harlequins. Just yeah learn their relate lesson from the eighty s the nineties. When did they win the verge afraid from TV? Show come out two thousand. I don't know Ah yes blur so alert for me. Oh that was Shakespeare compared to this movie actually like the birds you know it was it was your your early two thousands late nineties superhero. TV show which has a Phelan has a look not yet but It it it it it. It was okay for what it was and had a joker in it also had a Barbara Gordon. I mean Gosh. How hard would it offends? The just gone to the you know Gotham Public Library at some point to research. I know something about the diamond. And there's Barbara Gordon in a wheelchair. You know the what I'm just driving up ground nuts but did they don't WanNa Touch Barbara Gordon. 'cause they're working on a back back girl movie supposedly love whatever I'm older the DC he'll over DC. It's whatever thanks I hate it. They can't make great decisions. They can't even make good decisions. They can't even make okay decision. What it is what it is? Look they're trying to make money money. Look they're trying to make a girl power movie and look you're driving away a long time these female DC. No offense tyler. If you're listening this tangent season once supergirl communism which is like so postponement. ISM that are lose background damn near Misogyny deal with it hit it bakes moving on or done this. It was not a good film. They should've petty tickets to write. Be Like we all know this now right money if you WANNA female director. Why not just that? She was working on wonder. Woman you know and that looked really good They trail the trailer was like the first they were kind of getting. There is something weird and interesting going on in part of me wondering if seep Trevor's return is Max Max War okay. Spoilers orders. Were by Van Theory but Muslim word. Steve is Max. Lord essentially see project. They're basically trying to do a Phoenix with wonder woman and they think they might do it better than marvel or been pocketed litter going to be projecting Matt Matt Steve. Trevor into Diana's mine that he's back to magical thing now he's here and they after Dealing with it I mean are they gonNA do accents the Shabbir the third. Because I'm actually Steve Trevor's free grandnephew. His brother Rob Trevor named his son. Steve Trevor and then I got news the repors different the trailer for the trailer. I thought maybe was like it. Seemed like it was magic bringing back or something because it seems like they're reversing the roles because member and the first movie he was introducing her to the modern world. And now she's going to have to introduce him to the world but now there's going to be there's going to be something in there but like I get the feeling that Max Lord is trying to power up so I okay. I'm down with that and we got our Cheetah there. And you know we're gonNA see how that plays out and I'm match Laura's doing some genetic experimentation detail on himself to upper level that's and cheetahs going to be a part of that gaining those powers and it'll be an interesting it could be an interesting story. I love it Welby. You know but I like little said one. Patty Jenkins direct direct. This movie. Maybe they're like we don't WanNa spend out suspend whoever she was what I want to spend. Patty Jacobs money on this thing. Maybe I I just thought were good balance and that's where it's just like I definitely brain Margot Robbie gasoline blame her for this travesty. Maybe they should hire petty Jenkins to be the wool. Maybe they need to be the boss there but yeah they need someone they need one person. And that's that's been fighting saying that Disney their money behind damn that's always the problem with DC Warner's is no one really knows who's in charge because it's by Kennedy not. It's not like Disney owns a bunch of dates and and Disney world once yeah eighteen teacup but that's not merely so it it gets it gets kicked down the the candidates picked on the road. Because you certainly in charge of everybody but they don't know I don't know how you're making good way asking us if we make telephone you know you know they should maybe get Ted Turner to dust off his jacket and come back. You know the Showbiz at least get a little hellfire. We'll fix it your touch your. She doesn't want the DC money. Yeah she's thirty dirty money. I don't care what they can hire me. I'm a model automatic. DC The ambush bucket. Everybody I south like Harley Quinn. Ambush bug is a delicious spice sprinkle rover just Bam a little a little sauce to it you know you don't you. Don't put a ton of ambush bug in every film. Oh it would absolutely love to have a lot of secondary characters gaining prominence in the so for example. I definitely we were in charge of of somebody had to say well. You know you really have to do something with ETA. What's the story with ED upbringing et? It make a big part of this story. How does help wondering hunters EDA's like lineage? How you know? And you know and I'm good. What more with Bruce and Alfred and you know and really talk about maybe elephant dud hat did have other dreams Earning enrichment underwear you know and I want to look at how Elfriede from the elbow with series can be merged in the character could all concepts of Alfred including the failed actor. Alfred you know. And how that as a part of who he is and what he does and how he sees in south up to find himself in this very theatrical world of super heroism and Superhero isn't support. You know and I would absolutely bring in that area. Of course increase the custody battle between Bruce Wayne in it. Harry is going to be a big thing. I ever get a hand at the did you telomere pitch for one fifty on no. I didn't for about in here Alert for like two months away but for before the bat one fifty. We WanNa do alive reading of Ah Batman Sixty six script and we want you to portray Batman Indah Mazda. Boy Wonder I think we would. We would we would love to do that I would. I would allow the all down. I say Ma's Manzoor Holy Rusted Middle Batman Louis C. is doing that and if I get in honestly we can work in a trip involved in that I mean I know mazdas always now for a trip so I mean we can always do it like we do like this to your at our at our desks and do it that way but sometimes from meeting you even though you live in like eight the worst place to drive home from in the worst that apple juice help them shore your navigator Apple Juice now count. I'm saying you know what I could have. I could have walked it and it would not have been a safe walk. Men Little the top of the hill at the bottom of it. And then there's like like Lombard Street. Sorry bus stop at every corner. Mr Jersey you live like an animal. That's all I'm saying anyway. Yeah so practice your out of West Impression Charlie. I will do my best stream stirring during my utilities bill. Anyway I did not give a saying stirring in my house only quin Britain's Afri in food it's billed as birds of prey the fantabulous off. Advertising is hardly you kind of realize what in the state that was and now it is the feeling. There's been a lot I not going to say that you can buy a see. VR review the buffets review. Oh why can't pay you there. Which is fine? I don't know initiative grew into late breaking. Hey Hey yeah because I mean you know or you know I I will say this best One not the best seat. Best film was seeing Cesar Romero play policy on screen it. That was the bat seen. I just loved that that was his like all that like this was a good movie. That would have just made a great all right. I think about what you think about what you just said. The best scene in the movie is an Easter Egg. Yes thumbs up bitter interesting in that. Which is Harley Book warned by Toyah and that's how she doesn't get chat? That was actually pretty cool. 'cause this actually shows that there is some practicality some thought to liquid and again it's this idea that Harlequin is a doctor but she they never show her being smart. You don't have to be smart to have a degree but still out like when she says. Oh I planned all of Mr Jays heist everything she does. It's all just being a cast. It's all being the joker. What's funny nine spoilers? The harlequins someone's was banned from Harley. Quinn is banned from how offended. Okay I guess this is in some some plotlines. She got kicked out of hell which is kind of a waste because there's actually clearly marked exit sign if you wanNA leave Bell You just have to look for an ambush which was later shot home in Alberta show but to me that's chemical everyone. I'm still looking for the Exit Brusett of mine now. The dental didn't want him in jail for all of humanity he just that sent to hell and then it went to. Oh he must be charge about 'cause he's the high demon and then when that all the souls built around it just look and see the sun you can just walk out of your head but at least you know more speaking of Hell. What else about this movie? Aw I I do love the vibrant color fullness of it I love the scoring and that like a huge fan of the actual like soundtrack though scoring in Simferopol argosy at like all of Margot Robbie action scenes everybody else's actress actual garbage. But what you expect I josh can ask you. Hey Black Canary kicks really high in those pens. Are Jeff yet how this works. I see I. I thought it was going to be in Akron records. And they selected date acclimated. I I don't know somebody justice though because there are so many injustice shots like Canaria Black Near Doing her canary cry was definitely a shoutout to ingest. Is they did a couple of Harley lake injustice jeans. I'm surprised they didn't do the quiver thing but I guess Green Arrows now the thing at this university it so whatever in the still better at an amusement mile at the end there is an from like Batman Arkham city or something. Yeah so someone was studying their video games a also they killed their villains in this and I hate when they killed villains Batman Villain. Jerry even these guys don't worry about appealing but still it's like wait a completely show that the rest mass was never. It's killed by a thirteen year. Old Girl Yeah that that that. That's pretty really quick. Wrap it up. Take your grenade all what you put a grenade. Oh my pants and I didn't notice that maybe it was supposed to be another one medic commentaries How much room there might be down there? I know but still. It's like his it was it was I mean the and then Zaza debt to which is fine. Because I didn't like his ass I just I'm place I would like that. I'm just assuming that's not bad. That's using the names just not. That's that's that's not that's his cousin. It has lots of revenge. Serial killer China be like as big as always good. I just want to be like him. We all mark ourselves. Come at. This wasn't the real black mask. The real all mad another situation. You're like the DAD is so much better at being the villain than the sun. But we story with son Charlie in Charlie it's like Red Skull. What's faulty clone? Yeah it's something no Kunas. Never had risk has never had a full news slows have always been although he actually plugs brain directly in the womb. So they're all rule. Yeah it's like I said and when he puts on the mask at the end but we get nothing about the mass prior to that. It's not even like the mask that. Killed Loggers Oh. It's this mask. He got the museum eczema other storyline behind it. There's more story here and no one's telling us these Soro. Yeah they don't they. Don't go in there about that mask but they go in all. I got this mascot at a you know such such plays in hey look alike. Cut The faces off people. And so it's like okay. We get it you like mass. But then they'll go into the background on that mask. Yeah exactly and it's like again. It's like what we needed eight scenes of Harley drinking margaritas throwing and and man with the Margaritas in Brent something different. There's obviously had could relate to Margaritas our drinks. Electric Owa Woah can't relate Merida's would always make me sick because I don't like to kill it. Really Hits my son across and they put line with the. It's just bat. But we're just GONNA have only marguerite which is not to be offensive without a such a white girl drink off. Aw That's how I wanted someone drinking. I wanted someone I wanted. Someone Tortilla a Manhattan a Muslim. Just something different and I met. Margaret is the rain so the apple. TV's I mean how long thousands get that that visually you wanted certain thing like when they had Joe Rusting Costing Midori at the end of the first while Second Hook chemokine Nanjing Magor which is not a tough guy drinking freaking out but it's green has that look you know they can hennessy. Anna hit not a vaccine called an incredible hulk. Look I know yesterday. Whatever drinking straight because the general Ross talk trigger but wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute alcoholic? Get when they were going for what you wanted. That green in stuff that that studies always drinking. You know. Wait wait wait. I don't know we just went right over the big thing to chart the son of Charlie Esser just say who is general. Ross you failed due process tristen. Who About for general? You'll notice what we're talking about General Ross in DC okay does not enough that's general lane in DC in the thoroughly in general Russell. We're talking about the scene of enemy. Hope we're General Rossi's drinking and he said he started to drugs are talking Shaw Tristan but you have so many Margaritas. It's I don't know man I just Lisa. Is that what it could have been like. Mike's hard lemonade or something. I wait happily or whatever. I don't really drink that crap late anyway. If it actually use anything branded they might have actually made some money back on the on the licensing enforcement have been the worst idea academy disappointed. Most of all that will be getting sweet sweet hunters and Black Canary March. Just more Harley Quinn. Yeah and that was oh man black. Canary what is the fricken backstory. There her mom was was a superhero in Gotham with Rick Instills Alpert. Yeah yeah to line. That's it we you realize that. Oh no no knows she has freaking superpowers meaning again. This is a super power universe not eating coming up not even coming up people out. That don't aren't familiar buccaneer. Because actually staying in the glasses shake that you probably see if they're like Oh lazy it was like you know they give her the big breakfast Fatter pass out like some two bit. Baby Yoda which you know again. Think Margot Robbie for making sure that no one else to be in a star is just such the villain of this dome. I really think this is birds as a pre versus Harley Quinn unfortunately the villain one Mellon one hello dark it it was just and just you know I can see what they wanted to do and then I don't know why they didn't they do it. Okay film in this poop pile but they did manage to pull it out and manage the Polish that hurt so for me it is the declaws surprising. This trade off L. Redeeming things it execute or whatever. They did try to pay a marshal a lot of things with the Easter Egg. Like I felt like they actually did read a comic book to make some show in the two seconds we got. I'm lacking in all. I do not think Margaret. That's what I want to know what it doesn't matter who wrote the script. It's edited this for you. Know that the repositories so much though I know you can step on a really nice thing you know so they lady Christie are in Billund in this. We're going to call. We're GONNA call roby the villain even though I know it's Raby. No but she's the villain of this. I think there was a good script ear. And she rubbed her Harley Quinn over and that's the problem there was a good film you know Blues Rally around a woman fires ars on a date night is she just scooped out in the room on the table there. I'm a pack. I don't care what I Kentucky lower. There is no way to tell the difference at what kind of now if it is a legendary Snyder. Part of it's not spoiler. There's not read we're here together. Drake pureed than drake them and then put it. Now they're saying is who was the pooper. Question is who was the pooper. An honestly I don't the whole. Pooping subplot was just not your drink on ex lax. You're uh either you know and said it was living on a diet of pure cheese waffles prior to this Richie the foster kids is not impossible but in that constipated you actually got to be in hard liquor to suck the water out of the poop so dad that much of a clogged blockage. Isn't he got to see a doctor about. That's the ones I know. Eh occurred to this girl Yeah that's that's the second. Feel good coming out. That'll be minor but really it's just had had honestly it really in twenty four hours should have completely pass Lou and for would've were if you eat something like that it actually your body is like Whoa. WHOA WHOA it's what they used to call it perpetual? Yeah where you would like. Just swallow this bit of cabinet or something and it would. Everybody was like. Oh my gosh someone. I just ate a piece of glass get out of US nine. She seemed fine. She's like yeah. Yeah no but if you swallow peace marble your body's is GonNa do everything with power to get that thing out because it is to be there and so yeah but again it helps story. I guess at it so much better that if she had just hit somewhere like inner cast 'cause she clearly still had some big in her class. You'll get it casts casts yet. Yeah that that's what I go. Every time they did that I was laid off. Even get it was. It was a film that has some issue cast. That's her name on the street. CAST THE CAST. So I'm GonNa you know Great Charlie. Ah I don't really want to give it a C.. Minus but I usually do at least a little look see you next movie you are doing. Sonic I duNNo. Oh please no not I mean honestly it's like there's not going to say I think I think everyone else studied and then Harlequin Acer home. That's my pretty so unfortunately I have to give this remedy Because Mega didn't turn in the projects she was in charge of returning in the progress. As you just get to it hit and thought Oh can't I have extra time to turn it in mister professor asserts like no you were a good movie was due and you miss you. Ms Rugby are late with your introduction and this is a respected university and we do not create on a curve. Just because you're so sorry miserably not be seducing answer this week oh I don't know oh I love the little bit of Black Canary and hunters. We got I did like I don't know I say I saw glimmers of black mask until he threw his temper tantrums. uh-huh and you know I feel like a five year old I don't know I don't want to do a straight these these across the board with me see minus you. You're going to be determining given. Oh Yes yes yes tyler you still in the room tyler. Text me. Let me know what your crate is of your SUV. I will say a D still for diploma woah. You still graduate with the movie I know you had to have like a two point five. GPA CBS Godwin. So well I mean it depends on depends on. Hey Hey Lowell Lil. This movie's a big Old D. It took I mean. Honestly if you see minus honest a deep lessen the data Navjot D. So yes it is triple D. film It just I won't say it was a complete and utter failure. I think that if if you know it's like it's like when you have a bad comic book but then later writers says I want to bring stuff from this back because it's still the the qualities that I did like Sesame Cherry. We could see yes so Montoya Hunter Legendary could all come back that that could be fun. Little Beer that you know that you know the Black Canary has to be black but sure why not emerges here or there. Well you're saying traditionally they wanted to do an Italian mafia so that'll other other cultural mafias. Although we although we did and I did it was called the blast area although in the that'd be funny if you had the Chimera view way and someone else was black and they were. They weren't canary. You know that that's that's more fun. One the modern in the in the modern comics right now. Well Fed. Is she part. Blacker trying to explain that but part Blah officers take the character could have been half and what. Yeah black like Charlie were saying black canary had to be black. It's like I think they took the wrong lesson from Black Panther the author and again like I said it's like hey you know so. She said that Black Canary does not have to be white right as long as you get the toughness in. Oh yeah that's does it in bug that bug me. I just wish maybe we were kept canaries daughter and who knows what wildcat looks like in this universe John. Jerry's Malays actually biracial. So you know the work with anything if they WANNA do but then why not tell us that story. Why did tell us what is clearly a great Justice Society Story? I'm the first Latte Canary and referred to build up this stargate. The idea let's talk about who black canary. The first idea had. No one cares enough cares about Sarah girl. I saw margin urging in left net flicks where below but this but this movie keeps coming back to the same answer Margot Robbie exactly see is the doctor doom of the the BBC comparison what. We're GONNA FIGHT THE TAB. I just. I'm not saying that you I heard it just. MDC suffered ethnic DC knew they had as thinking around there. I really really do think they kept adjusting the box office so I mean they really had faith in this movie that would not have dumped it in February which you know Jay Anyway as those dumped your stinkers pulling you're trying to go but low F- but Lewis. I mean look what happened. I mean this was the number one movie this week. Berlin made thirty three million. You dump it in the summer blockbuster season it's GonNa get destroyed even worse than exactly but it might not have gotten destroyed like this like they had more time the or whatever they do Invest Massey if they dropped it next week and all the Harlequin ladies pulled their boyfriends. They had to take them to see Harley Quinn that might have helped them out. Oh foul is yeah. Exactly it's like you're dropping it before it's about a break up but then again I'll man homily ladies not not heaven unbound Thursday. Might I love to see. This wasn't the first dead pool like on around Valentine's Day. Now I love you and they make back on it. You know who deliver fluid good story on top of everything else you know they they. They had a clear shot and they didn't. They didn't do a superhero landing us and and the only reason this was number one is like if you look at like I forget what the number two number three movies were but I believe they weren't. It's bad boys. That was the life was number two which was number one last week. I was GONNA say it's been out. This wasn't the first week for two. Yeah Oh this wasn't the first week no bad boys. We're saying the number to bring women who say the number two and number three movie. This wasn't their first week being out. So that's why probably Harley Quinn one otherwise they probably wouldn't have been number one. I think it yeah I mean it's entirely possible. Yeah Yeah it's I don't go back and hopefully we don't ever have to deal with this again so they might break-even Ravi is officially done a WB. So hopefully you got. Did you blackmail fuel. Because we don't want anymore Margot Robbie I think audience has spoken. What kind of blackmail to she have? Yeah she can approach that. You know what I hear. This is what has hurt Jennifer Aniston career Level is that she's kind of very I have to be she gets very ginger about the whole thing. Ginger from nineteen. Louisa thought this was supposed to be ginger island. Like cutting of show. And you know She she doesn't get that friends and it like thirty years ago or whatever it is. I don't know I don't watch that show alley. No tangentially information about that great year. No Koby smoulders. She look at a clamp sparkle. The Robin sparkles her record commercial to yes new Toyota. Something Yeah Jeeze. She's the new spokeswoman for Toyota. And you know she's got her stump down which is fantastic. I haven't seen it. But the commercials look good backing some of the moral stuff jail. She's out there. I want to ever see. She was in or demand even though it was technically to scroll but it was so her. You know she's still when Glenn Works and I wonder shut wonderful. Fill up on that final season agents. A shield to have to. You'll see her. I think you'll even get some people say that it was going to get a Peggy Carter. homegirl bat so to some way somehow travel. Shenanigans begins in the Heff in America though kept mere comic there will be times. I'm privileged Connecticut's 'cause they're gone to the past created another time. Something I get that is going to bring in the time variance authority and our poor loved suffering. Bring Luke Wilson as Dr Whatever. It is or Question or justice speech there. There's a famous Henry's authorities is just as and then there's the one that The WHO's the doctor. Dr Who Pastiche His name I forget it just one question how can we have canceled cancelled. The actual the suicide squad will yet. Obviously no one cares anymore. Like why they're still not a gun is in charge of it or James James James Gunn. I don't know Bobby Gun. He's had a rough year. So you know. I don't WanNa pull another guardians of the galaxy with him. They're like no. We're the guys you hire. Hi is the guy after after Disney you know. Put It on hold because Disney was GONNA put on hold for a couple of months and even an excuse the way they award starting it right away. You tweet something stupid once. Probably you got kicked the the show and then one's GonNa out poignant that we're going to bring you back a sense more time well in one or two a soup. That's what I like is an artist. Well well bill well. The suicide squad does better better than this. I'm sending know if the second suicide squad movie does better than this movie. Does that prove or Margot Robbie Theory is the first one. Yeah but you're actually out. I don't know that's nothing I don't know let me look but but I'm sure she's in it she's not going to have as big a partisan it here I think she's the biggest name that will be now that everybody's they recast right. Yeah but after this weekend or are they going to be like Yay no. They're gonNA blame it on the other lease nobody cared about the other. Roh Moo pack pains you know that will cause they've already started the Amazon like I thought Elizabeth Banks Take the AL honey and shut up. WHO The hell on? I didn't come out till it just doesn't come out till next year. But yes she's an dodge on Sina. Pete Davidson Idris Elba anywhere. You can't even see have way. Take what you can't see Xena what. Yeah but that's not true. Quebecois take towards tracks though you fools. David that's catchphrase Komo. His name is Sema. I I think about China and you see. Can you see me. You see demand sorry. I gave up wrestling. What else should fault? I don't follow wrestling with it. I know of it you know and then I'm I'm aware of it as existing Leslie League. Apparently and they had their own little show on like what I started boarded. I watched some Mexican wrestling not too long. Well while ago at this point he kind of ruined me for American wrestling which is just so much better to uh anything that Americans like. Take him other coaches that you watch the rebel. You're just like be. I think Americans been the professional wrestling for a long time as well try. Luchino tradition is so much more beautiful in its own way That goes into the masked hero feel that those May and then also plays into that with the acrobatics which I oh I think that in the BC eighties wrestling it. Kinda lost achromatic. You've got a lot of that back in the nineties wrestlers. We got a lot. We stopped having big wrestlers. Started having fast you know and then come full circle again. I'm about to be you know what you want. You want. Captain Captain America. What the guy that hit eight hundred pounds and can do a hurricane be? Has You know thought about that shoulder to waist ratio. It's so true you like that anyway. A Hariton here. Lucia died. Ever reminding that this movie exists or I will I will will hurt you. Let's let's put put it in the foul with the twenty fifteen fantastic for yes and collect. The bench. Shirts adds money we have. This was going to go in the ghost foul. We will not Alexis moving anymore so you have to own your mistakes. Philip knows Nelson if you're not gonNA take credit for that fantastic for movie we're not taking credit for exists. I know Joe Always stand as it tragic warning warning so like the trump presidency it will stand historically as thing that people look would say remember. How bad yet so next time you say oh? It doesn't matter. People will remember. He will remember that as long as they have cell phones on. No that's right right on that. What a mess are up? Yes so on that note I on that note. Send your thoughts on the suicide squad movie if you can defend this movie you know if you were paid. Chill out here with the case the fence movie. Poor Tyler Paulie the only one who might have defended this movie kick his wife. I guess he had much defense for it. He wasn't he wasn't ready. He can see defending it and I'm like really somebody's getting paid so they getting paid. Do actually actually really enjoyed it. Because you know it's like it's like I mean I can see how maybe if you like like the Eighties Hawk like I do and Septa also aren't big on what story is is and storytelling. I could see how you might be wondering Ooh all right so yeah come on. I got to the bathroom anyway. send your thoughts to Pieman anyway send your thoughts and will oh only alcohol. Only alcohol makes you have to Tango Charlie her okay anyway. 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Directors Cut Radio Vs Birds of Prey Leaks

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Directors Cut Radio Vs Birds of Prey Leaks

"The Express get down to business obsessed with more newt celebrities than TMC men dangle. You're listening to the Demetris Cutter Nation's number one show about the movies look good movies. Nothing more and nothing less creating the idiot. One village at a time. Directors cut off better than listening to draft this company You're listening to director's cut radio each and every week. We bring you the latest in Hollywood it Dan in the studio. We have. Chris loaning the lovely Harley Quinn Piper five or south sugar. How are you doing fantastic all right so this week? We didn't get to go see movies other than groundhog's Day just because it is groundhog day weekend and we did learn that we do gets a few more weeks of spring so spring is on its way earlier than normal. I Guess Yea Oh. Are we excited about this? I don't care because I don't think I don't think a rat really gives us the insight on whether or not The weather patterns are going to be much better than what we thought. I don't know your thoughts. We live in New Mexico so it never really that cold. I feel like no matter what happens. It doesn't really affect US too much. But I guess we can root for spring for all of our brethren up northwards mighty cold right now. Yeah negative fifty. Yeah Yeah Yeah. That'S INSANE. It's usually snowing like crazy right now. It has for the past five years the first week of February is usually scary. Feel because we got that like a month ago maybe it really is happening early for us. But Chicago and Minnesota people are dying in their garage within two minutes because it's negative fifty in two minutes two minutes look it up and this guy in Chicago. Two minutes elderly frail. Thin skin freezes easily In his garage and it the lock locked him out and he got stuck in his garage and within two minutes hypothermia died. So let me look this up two minutes. Thanks for the average person takes a little bit longer to go the bathroom. What of his wife is in bathroom? And within two minutes as it so it was just an old frail guys I was going on Okay elderly man. Chicago FREEZES IN GARAGE New Jersey Wife Lover. Dead coupled died having sex in garage. No no no. No husband returned home Monday and found his wife and her lover who died while having sex in her car in the garage police said. Was it running thirty nine year? Old Woman and fifty six year old man who is believed to be her mechanic apparently died of carbon monoxide poisoning when they left their car running and the garage door closed as they had sex according to NBC? Halloween Ni- or W and BC. How do you put two and two together? Don't have sex in a car ten the car so I can stay war. I want hear the radio. Yeah I WANNA hear director's cut radio. The husband came home around nine pm and found their bodies. What a way. Investigators believe. The woman was having sex with her mechanic to pay for car work. According to W and Z. Police believe the incident was an accident. It was a dual suicide. Oops my clothes fell off. Oops will sex suicide. That could be it. That's a Romeo and Juliet situation right there. Jane do like all right well. She was At least try to get some sex in to die a mechanic work. That's all it was. I tried to get her car. Fixed is that like does he have the prices on the wall. He's like cash credit card or sex. Maybe there was like a special going on at walk in wills. If you decide to take yourself out you might WANNA go. This plan right here just says that you guys are going to commit to dying at the same time you gotta get creative on how you figure that out but good luck. Is that like the grass ass or gas type of situation for mechanic. Think she went with option number. Two right Pingo work it happens. All rights Anything going on in your world this week. You guys excited about. Yeah what a low the Harley Quinn caused player on director's cut. Radio is actually really excited about the Harley Quinn News that was revealed. Tell us about it Harley Quinn 'cause player Hi Harlequin Five. Oh five on instagram. Tell us though what did you. What did you see? What is the world of cost players Exploding about explosions case sequels naughty. Wow exploding on the internet okay. Bombs go boom Birds of prey leaky leaks. All the leaks. All the moist happened within the past forty eight hours. It's been nothing but my little 'cause play Harley friends on instagram or sharing all the leaked photos from birds of prey in the FEN Tabula Harley. Quinn Yacht title It's a little ridiculous how these leaked photos or just like a accidental picture of her shin from a random iphone or something like that because people had to smuggle into the camera and then they gotta like just poke the camera out just enough to think. That's the only angle they can get. You could see that. It's like a silhouetted by like having the camera in there fly photos. I appreciate Internet all right. We're going to take a little break when we come back. We'll find out from Harley Quinn 5:05 all about the Harley Quinn birds of prey. 'cause place snakes that have been released and the cause losing their mind trying to recreate these photos as quickly as possible thirty done to the races on and we'll talk about it all right here on director's cut radio. Show bombers dropping you average IQ since two thousand five. I don't know what you're saying. That's what's going on you director. Scott Director's CUT RADIO DOT COM. You're listening to the director's cut without microphones. We'd still live with our parents. Janet gave it CR. He'll run scared. Lock Your Arts and Gabe nightline next to you scared or events I gotta quit sucking yet and tell me you'll be when ain't nobody Ahead just a moment. Quit sucking your thumb now Alma Song. When ain't nobody? Yeah you're listening correct. I cut radio. You know each and every week bring latest in Hollywood this week chat a little bit about groundhog's Day looking towards the big game you can't say the s word on radio really. Yeah it's one of those weird things that the big football group the League of football on a national level. You know. They will sue everybody. Why because they're jerks they are jerks. Yeah it's really weird so if you notice. I haven't cereal bowl that's really like super big. Well then that means you are eating really healthy. Or if it's sugar smacks than maybe not so healthy. I Dunno sugar smacks but the origin origin of the name of the game was like ripping someone off in the first place though. Yes well we can't talk about it on the radio we could make as many snide comments talking a when they boil a lot of crab they call that a super bowl or super oil okay. I had an aunt that had this growth on her neck and it got really big. We also called it a super bowl. Embroil Chris Well No. We can't. Yeah the League on a national level only has to do with football likes to sue everybody that because they make so much money off of this dumb game all right that they go after even the pity radio stations because a lot of radio stations. Try to do these big events where they watched the and you have to kind of. Yeah not too much anymore. They don't do anymore but isn't they can't smell super without the words sue. That's exactly how it is. Terrorism free promotion like ooh. They want like radio station and talking about it. Radio stations and restaurants and all this are trying to get people into their business and you have to be like a unearth. Certain umbrella like you have to kind of pay for the rights for it which is ninety percents of the ninety percent of your prophets that night to even be able to have an official event which every event out there is unofficial. That's why everyone calls it the big game. This is terrible. Yeah this is absolute madness. Good thing I'm not a huge sports about the one with the Doug's which one the dog show dog show happens during the top people. Yeah we're talking about. I bet you the TV stations would what they're not gonNA sue was for say puppy bowl or kitty halftime show. The puppy Kiddie Kiddie Kiddie halftime show. I know they had a puppy one. No it's a halftime show where they show kittens play with strings and stuff and came in. It's during the halftime. I WANNA see like cats student in jewelry chaser mouse toy and that obstacle course they can do it on the call. Core upset. Sounds like a situation. We're moving on all right. Tell us about hardly quit in the world of cost so going back to these outfits You can you can pretty much google all these outfits now but there's The first one that was kind of leaked was like this. Confetti style crazy kind of raves style. Jacket and everyone was. Kinda mad about it. I'm Cuban Pete kind of feeling well. If you look at the recent comics of all versions of Harley she's got some really out there new world kind of outfit so this does really fit her character really. Well it's just GonNa be a pain in the butt for US 'cause players to recreate this trash and it's not. It's not practical So it's like I'm seeing my friend like four hours in and she's like posting How she's gluing each piece of this. Confetti jacket caution tape that shredded. Everything's everything's hand-cut shredded and like basically you just need a paper to pompoms from party city like I could do this like they have this stuff with the dollar start to and I do have caution tape. So it's like you know I have all of this. But to put the time into blooming. Okay and that's just the jacket that my cat's GonNa eat and then You notice the Tattoo details Are All the same tattoos from suicide squad except the Harley input in Tattoo on her right thigh there is a line going through put in so we already know that joker is not a part of this movie and she has moved on and now she The the story line for birds of prey leaked so far is that her huntress and Black Canary have all got together. So that way they could save a little girl from another evil force and It's all very pro FEM power movie and I'm very excited about that but anyway what else look how putting and then after its cups. She woke up pudding cups. No way look at her leg pudding cups on that side right. She's all snack. Pecs did I did a photo shoot where? I'm holding snack. Pack Pudding Cups with Poison Ivy. And I'm trying to feed poison ivy pudding and she's like making your ugly faces at it. So that's hilarious pudding cups. That's funny and she filled in the diamonds announced four diamonds. Instead of the three that she they were always okay. I'm excited to see what happens to the chest tube because the chest tattoos has daddy's little monster. She does have a J on her arm but I did see other photos where the Jay was not touched. There is also a property of joker tattoo on her back shoulder blade. Wonder what's going to happen with that? She also has. There's another picture where she's wearing a bunch of dog tags in like metal chains and stuff and there's a tag that says Bruce and we obviously know who bruce as Bruce Wayne so we're wondering if this kind of has some connection to lake. She was with Bruce Wayne in for a night or something. There is a comic. That goes into detail about Harley thing about that Chris comment guard that particular avenue. There I just know it's a about her whole Hurley knowledge so these other outfits that have been shown she obviously how short blond hair. There's like these edgy. Bangs It it kind of looks like the style like the punk fifty two Harley and she has these dark roots and like short pigtails. And it's just like it's just totally different but it's still edgy. she's really. Margot's really about Respecting the comic fans and she knows that suicide squad was not a good movie okay. She knows that she was giving crap. Lions she also knows that her fan base of all these kids and adults that have dressed as Harley Quinn like. She sees what we're doing on instagram because she does like a few caused players photos every now and then it's really crazy like how involved she is in the cause placing and. That's why there's a lot of hard fans for suicide squad Harley She finally got some screen time. Hey everybody's always been wanting to see a real life Harley Quinn Do you think they're going to disappoint us again? Most likely most likely it's just we don't know like wh what would it be sends? Margot's co-producing this. I mean maybe she's actually going to give ourselves like good heroic. She madness that we need to tell the story. Line like let's just let's go to Steffi storyline God what would be the perfect harlequin birds of prey type. Storyline that you would love to see on screen. Highly is known for her strength just like like any character they're known for strength and in the DC encyclopedia there. It shows like the levels of straight CYCLO pedia of How strong each character is and he played. She technically a super strong. So with this whole girly attitude that was thrown at her for suicide squad. I think I think birds of prey is going to be completely opposite and I think that's why jokers not involved. She doesn't have this hold of like being week so I think this movie's really going to be strong in general because we got hundreds and black canary. It's a team effort so I have really high hopes for it. We'll see but we don't know until the other outfits there's one where she's wearing pinstripe pants and I want to work on that one. Then it's like a sheer top that has red and Blue Stars. Yes southern along sequin rogue thing going on. There's another outfit where. She's wearing like gold reflective long fringe on a black leather jacket Looks like it might be like a birds of prey. Kinda logo thing going on on the back. There's like a design There's yeah quite a few outfits already so just like okay. It's not gonNA BE EASY FOR THE CARS. Players like this is not simple. The squad outfit compared to these was like that was really hard because there was a lot of details but so like now that these have come out as bad form to like be old versions of Harley. No no no no no just because I mean we get that kind of slack like when dressed as a suicide squad Harley in Vegas like there was guys that would walk by and they'd be like Oh look guitar and there'd be a guy standing next to him and he'd be like Oh. That's not the original Harley and I'm like she's all the same person because her name has not changed the outfits have okay you know what I mean. So it's like when suicide squad came out. We kinda had to like remind people. It's still the same person the end I'm letting rants. I'm just trying to figure out why I mean just this past comic con. I was still shook at. How many suicide squad Harleys I saw. I still saw a bunch of You know red and black tribute like injustice to or whatever harleys very popular character. We'll take a break and I guess we're not with our Harley Talk Yeah In our next break we have Harley Davidson the motorcycle where we talk about that. A Little Bit Kidding. I will be back with more after this. We are directors. 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We've already watched it twice. Maybe even three times at that at this point in the year we'll not twenty nineteen but like in the past two months anything. I love Groundhog Day. We might have seen it. We did see you at least once in January before now it's February's to watch it once a month. I just love like some of his answers for certain things you know. And just the level of sarcasm and you can just tell like sarcasm wasn't a thing when that movie came out. I'll just tell you why can't Bill Murray play the joker and something like old man joker or something like that? Yeah I can see him doing it. You don't think I'm on board for Malkovich after those pictures okay. The MALKOVICH would be great. I know Mary. Maybe maybe maybe right. If you were to put Murray as a super hero or super villain who would he be bill? Murray as a super hero or super villain I don't know man he might make a good ridler. Maybe yeah Riddle me this. Yeah Okay we really really dark ridler ridler feel like they never quite got him right like he was good on the animated series. Yeah that was. That was good. Ridler is one of my favorite characters absolutely. I should play ridler. I should do squad ridler scribbler. Squid Ler squidward hang squidward from spongebob. And Part Ridler quitter squidward enigma. I'll do it all right. Steph helped me with the costume or Alfred Enigma. From like mad magazine. That's not a bad idea. Either but I wish I was a redheaded guy options man. These things called wigs. Yeah Hunter S. Ridler. Hunter Joker was pretty good contrast joking that when people love that they see it right away. See that being as ridler. Crossover to though that'd be great. I think that could wake. I think I'm just GONNA do. Hunter S. Insert the forever hunter now man dressed in the SS for Superhero Hunter S. There you hit twenty one today. Twenty four point want him at twenty four point one. Today hit twenty four K. Last week twenty. Four thousand followers on Instagram Harley. Quinn going up. I mean. I'm not even instagram. Hardly quit five. Oh five yeah posing much because some. I have some friends at Post Lake. Three Post Day to keep their feed going to do about one a day. I tried to do one a day and try to on my story and I try to like interact with you. Know you gotTa keep spreading the love to get the love kind of thing. It doesn't cost money to be liking photos. You gotTa keep doing it all your secrets. You know what we give them out your seat. It usually talk about this stuff at like comecon panels but someone didn't have me at their most recent COMECON because They stopped doing cost one. Yeah Yeah too much drama. He treated better in other cities goes well. I think he's just Kinda like he tried. Focusing on reformatting how he had the COMECON this time. Okay by like like. I don't know if you noticed like the the where the celebrities are. There was only like four 'cause players there's normally like a good one or two rows of local causes players. Okay so this year he had him like spread out where like they were in all different kinds of rooms but he still only had like six compared to like fifteen twenty because I would have been one of them. I would have had a booth but I liked to pay for a booth so that there is no like L. headed. He give a bill to for free kind of deal. Drama thing And I like to be in the vendor room because that's where most of the people shopping are anyways and I made a loaf of cash the first year suicide squad was out and I was dressed up and it was my first time being like legit with like screen accurate like shoes stuff and I made like a thousand dollars. I Day just taking photos like selling prince taking photos. Because I'm in the vendor room and it's like I had a line of people I had people just it was non-stop my legs were so dead. That day Because there's more foot traffic because no one's GONNA walk upstairs. Escalator was even broken on the first two days I I was GONNA take escalate to go upstairs and see the cause playroom if you know. They can't get on the elevator escalator and stuff. So when I went it was working because I was only there for about an hour and a half. Got Some puppets Duke City. Kawhi is like pieced Duke City. Comic con is either going to be mayor. June and then The Albuquerque Comic Expo. This is going to be the first one but this is going to be at the Convention Center. Nice time of the year in August and this is going to be a big competitor. And that's how they're bringing. Jason Momoa is the first celebrity that they've announced but there is going to be like eight more big-name celebrities announcing home. So but see but Richard Cut. Radio is going to be there covering it. All Nice hundred and fifty dollars to meet Jason Momoa though and I know girls that are already like paying it. Now they're down. Oh Yeah. They're so unhappy in their phone number. That are just stick it in his pocket and wrap it up in there. I've seen some nice pictures of him at cons where he like actually wears. A nice shirt does his hair. Has it down kind of thing? And then I've seen like some recent ones wearing like the Salmon Pink Shirt. Nothing against the color but like his hairs in like a ponytail and then he's just wearing like the little berkinstocks and he's very Hawaiian. Like I get it. You're you're an islander I get it but people are paying a hundred and fifty dollars. So what's supposed to were like? What own unlike smell like look picture? Yeah but there is. Videos of people like where he pretends. He's proposing to like the girls. Whatever the firm walk them up so it's like okay. We'll obviously there's going to be video taken so at least like Nice Jason Cleanup. Come on Jason. I remember I was on a I was working at a local. Tv show. And I booked Jason Momoa to be on the show and the host. The shows. Who's that might let's He's GonNa be Aquaman. What is that like? I don't I don't get it was right before even though the Wichita DC big conglomerate Justice League movie and it was right. I didn't even see it. You see conglomerate yes. It was right before the Justice League movie and She was like I don't know who that is I was like. Do you want to do the interview? I don't know who it is so you can do it okay. I usually gave her the option to decide whether or not she wanted to do the interviews. She was completely out of it and he was a nice guy kind of cool. He was just like man. What's going on Jason Momoa thing? I was thinking that she was going to be all about it. Is everybody all right now. Should be all about it. She's late to the Party of the way way to train station. It was the last train to Clarksville and she wasn't even at the station. And that's what was going on. All right what's going on in the world of news abuse of Hollywood there Chris so so a few weeks ago Those Fire Fester Festival documentaries. Did you watch watch both of them serious can we? Can we give you the order that you should watch him? I I've already watched the net flicks one so I don't have who the better one of the out of the to the Hulu one start there and then the net flicks because we started with Netflix. To Yeah I mean it's good. They're both good. But when you see both you you realize like puzzle pieces that are missing from the other one. Okay who had definitely more nitty gritty details? And they actually did interview vice now. I don't know which one guy the guy the guy the guy like. I guess before she was on the phone right no on the net flicks one. He's like just on the phone a couple of times I feel. Yeah any was on the phone a couple of times in the Hulu went. But he's like actually on camera and you see how he is just like crack. It's good. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I'm telling everybody I'm like can you please? The Hulu one gives you more back story. It takes you back way before he even Kinda like created. Fire fast a little more because when I was watching the Netflix this rich Guy. Who The heck is this? Then they just jump right into talking about like old the fire festival this weekend. Hard thing they were talking about the lake. Clubcard Oreos. Yeah yeah to Shea like how for. Bs can take you in this country. Which of makes title. It reminds me my whole career influencers. Pretty much what you gotta be like. I'm literally an influence on my instagram. And I didn't even know didn't even know that until I watch fire festival and people are putting that as a title in their bio and they have like a hundred followers. I'm like Oh you're an influence because you put it in your wife. Maybe THEY HAVE WEIRD. One hundred really really dedicated. They still can't share a link on their story. Oh you have to have ten K. Or up to share a link on your story and you're technically influence or when you're able to promote products and share the link so yeah the world that I know nothing about. Yeah old we get a little blue checkmark on your twitter got a message in my DM's just the other day Where they're like. Hey do you want to buy this many followers for seven dollars or you can buy this many followers for seventy dollars by is it just like botts think it's been going on for probably the past five years like constant people trying to up just just priority just retired vessel reason. Yes speaking of hosts that I was working with TV show. Oh never mind. I'll take all right. So tell us about the fire fest so so if you recall there was a guy that was involved that was that was really really dedicated to the team. Yes he was ready to do something kind of unspeakable uh-huh to help the festival along. Well that gentlemen apparently is getting his own reality show is I'm like he actually. He's here's the thing the one that was a wreck trying to plan everything. He was older. Salt-and-pepper Gentlemen Mr Shall We say his name? Sure we're not Andy King fast. Yeah here's the thing is that I really liked this idea because he seemed very genuine and very honest in these documentaries like he was like we were at a point that I was about to get exactly do things to make this festival pan out and I was just like the whole time. I'm like this is a guy that you want on your definition of writer die right here like when it hits the fan you this guy to be around. Because he's willing to do what's necessary to tell you at. He's ahead of all the other people the white where his heads at so he's getting his own reality show workers it just got to be head of the class. That's like what type of things are they going to do for his reality show. Just follow him around. I like what are you willing to do today? Sponsored by Klondike what would you do for a Klondike Bar Candy for? That's one of those all right. I'm GonNa tell I'm going to tweet them to find out what he would do for a bar. It'd be Kinda crazy right. Anything else In movies that don't need to be made news this week. we we have sets Released dates for twenty twenty and twenty twenty one respectively for mission. Impossible seven and mission. Impossible eight no. No Tom Cruise will be fifty nine years old. No upon the release of mission impossible BUSTA HIP on the last mission impossible. I think he's just trying to like film his own death. Maybe he'll go out only glory and we'll be like Tom Cruise really dedicated to the craft. You guys it was crazy. Like in the last. Or was it to mission impossible's ago where he strapped himself to the Sivan actual airplane and had to wear glasses contacts back. Cover shielded his eyes so that it would be like. He's wearing goggles but they didn't show that they were goggles. Big giant Google ask contacts and covered. It's reliable insane. This man has just in guys show about movies. Have any respect for yourself seriously. We're taking seriously is worth making fun of the director's cut brisk nineteen shame. And that's only half of our audience is below average. The director's cut locking hollow ask. You can't get in me. It do man you're with the director's cut radio you know each and every week bringing late. It's in Hollywood in the studio. We got Chris Maloney. You the lovely highly five. Oh five steps sugar. Yeah all right we were chatting a little bit about the fire festival. Guy Andy King how? He's getting a reality show. I think it should be like a stunt show. Like fear factor. Haven't been eating bugs. You spend something. His eyes are closed and he's just got like an option of deer testicles cockroach there's just all kinds of terrible. Japanese game shows like a tube in his mouth and he's got a blindfold. Oh I love the cockroach one where the two women are like blowing a cockroach woman's mouth and have you ever seen that okay so there's two. Okay Jean what do you all right? Never Fall but time the ultimate game. That steph is going to play by the money. There's not enough money. All right Steph curry you play this crazy cockroach game. We're like a million dollars. Oh Yeah Oh yeah okay okay. What are you like? Minimum amount of money needs to be like ten K. Ten K. I think I would do it for like me. Alive cockroach dead look. It's a dead cock talks back but you have to play the game so you could still winning from ten K to Ding Gung lifers dead cockroach demand. There you go all right so we have. These could arrange that young females in I guess Japan his looks like Japan and there's a dead cockroach sitting in the center of a clear tube. Pvc type right. Yeah the tube is being held up. They're blowing and each females on. Yes so they're doing this. So problem is when you start around the it is so the problem is when they start hyperventilating. They're going to be sucking air to breathe out here. We go ready now. Ready for this stuff. Pain go back and forth back and forth back and forth. You just stop powered up on that one. I'm pretty sure pretty sure you have like Harry Little Cockroach like stuck throat a week. That and that was like ten seconds of just panicked terror terror. One two three four five six. It went in for a split second. The last one game is over seven in the net. Would you play? So you're saying what is that? What so ding-dong is now. Now I came. Now it's gotta be like fifty bucks in a Ding Dong Ding Dong. I can make this work can be fan. I need somebody that we curricular instagram video. Now we're not doing this. Not just he's like our next show. I can put this together grow blowing competition corners Japanese. Show up as. Here's the one with the audio. No she's upset. Cryan mercy Syrian there. We don't know what they're saying. Arcade Games not dead cockroaches. I've been you know they're not cockroaches. Kedah or CICADAS. We'll get into that. Change the price. No this is a different group and I can't different groups staff. Look now. They're playing it with trump against the CICADAS. No no what type of small beasts would you prefer. Play this game with not paying you not telling you do. I'm not doing it. No learn your ways. I can't I hear they are. They're stuffing it into the center of the two. He got staff ready. It's to other females. Does this Akita giants hot OCTA? Because they have to figure out when they're not inhaling or blowing a little short right at the beach I expected her. Is this ever GonNa make people choke like go right down the windpipe to eat it here? The coach And all that is awful like okay. That's not bad. I did eat a cockroach not a cockroach. Ada Cricket AT THE MAGIC CASTLE IN LA at some of the like ballparks I think like the Seattle Mariners so like crickets do that. They're like AAA LABOR. And it's like they sell out all the time people love them. Wow so a fan of cricket. Yeah didn't hate it. I thought it was pretty good. It's like okay. Well I actually. It's a superfood. I hear bug firmer get on. I can make some cricket burgers or something like that. Take SOME PATTERNS. That were on it now. We're going to take a little break when we come back in the next hour. We're GONNA be chat a little bit more little more about movies. We got the news and abuse and all that other good stuff year a director as radio show Bob Movies and yes wanting one radio lots of insanity the director Scott. You're listening to the director's cut the nation's number one show about movies. We have the most gadgets. And the most gimmick take actually call himself the talent. The director's cut mile two long tired. I'm to fee is about you. You've seen the reaction Ma stay. You need song. You're listening to director's cut radio. You know each and every week you bring you the latest in Hollywood the music. You're listening to a bit from Luke. David's the song is called losing ground. You could check about on twitter at Luke. David's in the studio we have Chris Maloney and the lovely Harley Quinn 5:05 herself deaf sugar. Last sentences like step it up with a bark. All right well Nice Nice. My name is Dan It's disappointing expecting Komodo Dragon. Growl no Komodo Dragon. Ground like how we could meow in a store and on the opposite side of the building. It here either. Your kids are really find each other and best buy or wherever. Yeah Yeah Myoko. We're not really meowing. Yeah Yeah we're saying Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah and other people say meow back and there. Isn't they become members of our family? Officially being found I was at the register trying to check out and her daughter was at the like cell phone area plane with the cellphones and play with the Games. All that and she was like forty feet away. She couldn't see me where she was so. She started screaming Dan. I'm screaming back from the Chuck Register about forty feet away. It's like I'm over here like I can't see and I'm like that's because I'm a ghost. I'm the ghost of best. Buy At everyone around at the check. Stand laughing at the other registers. Where are you go? And it's just a conversation just going and it's about thirty forty feet away from me as she's at the cell phones and at the check stand checking. Chevy his cellphone she good of she could have. She could have tested the cellphone. Everyone's laughing trying to figure it out is the kids just screaming and I'm screaming back and security slightly annoyed. But that he thinks it's funny and it's not to like disruptive so they let a guy just runs out screaming because he thinks best buys hunt thanks is now one guy believes that there is a real ghost of best buy. That speaks to children. Okay moving on move. Yeah we did do a ghost tour this past week. Yeah. There's one thing that I really enjoy is if you ever get a chance. Go to your local towns ghost tour every city has one of these like ghost tours. And it's always the same like a small group of people that have like like collected the stories of the town have have compiled them into what what. Why are you shaking? Look well you don't like it. I thought it was funny. There's like not a single ghost in lieu with the stories of lie your Rana. Oh yeah that's kind of weird but I bet you that'd be in Santa's there's no billy the kid reference either and that's like a really big name to throw. Yeah Yeah but there's always like some like Oh. He walked by and spit right there on that sidewalk. Where the grosses in Albuquerque early. So they're in old town. Go steadily apparently old town was known for like casinos. And brothels okay because this whole goal is whole tour and it was just Dan and I so I really WanNa do the tour again with like a large group of people different aged kids and stuff because I feel like this guy was having way too much fun just talking to us and like you could tell. He was changing his script because it was a smaller crowd. Yeah so he was a little bit more chill loose. He's like let me tell you about all the blood and guts. I was hanging from her neck and her ribs and like yeah he was just like this is the only the first ghost you're telling me about and I'm already queasy and this is like really graphic and I feel like there should be some sort of warning and I just feel like no. He's just doing this because it's just Dan and I but if it was like you know twelve year old or nine year old kid standing here he wouldn't be saying like Oh yeah. She was one of those girls did things for money but anyway she died in this alley and like it's like. Oh God. This is not the year to be talking about this man. There's so much dope teams you know and this is the tea parlor where the men would go and you know they weren't really going for TV. If you know what I mean and I'm like okay. I started thinking to kill hookers halfway through the tour. I started thinking because there's no real such thing as ghosts. He's just telling really sad. Stories about people getting mutilated. And if you start thinking about this is horrifying these are like people's demise. It was the wild west Sir. Yeah but it's like a flood was a big topic. Let's take a break. Come back get more from directors cut radio all after this spooked dropping average IQ. Since two thousand five. I don't know what you're saying. That's what's going on. Just the director Scott Director's cut radio DOT COM. You're listening to the director's cut without microphones. We still live with our parents. Uh-huh side slack. Ah Away Uh-huh you're listening to director's cut radio you know. Every week we bring the latest in Hollywood this week. I don't know what we're about. We've got the news that abuse going on in our world. Fire Fest going on a ghost. Tour was kind of cool in Albuquerque. I just like hearing stories done by like local guys or people trying to put together the history of the community or something like that. I was kind of fun but really sad stories. Just like remove the ghost element because they tell us really sad story of like infidelity in revenge and then they follow with like and then if you stop there. It's really really sad and depressing. You just think about you see like a murder suicide. Stop There. And then they like follow it up with like but yet. Here's a funny story about that ghost. And how she like tried to give a person an employee toilet paper. It's like she passes ducks. Kids do have little stories. They're like oh this restaurants been here. There's only had one owner since the owner before it and they're like they can tell you all the time if you walk in the restaurant and asked them and they say their stuff going on all the time And I have family that lives in grants which is like what two hours away. Small Little Town. Milan and had a great uncle. Steve that owns the one restaurant in Milan. And it had like old style booths and stuff it was from like the forties and fifties and just kind of stayed the same and Like he would say that. There was like a ghost in that restaurant and when I was a kid I remember I would like see stuff you know. Move like the Salt Pepper. Shaker would be on one side of the sugar I would be playing with it and sliding them around and go back to the table and was rearranged differently than how I left it like. I'd leave it. Where like stuff was spaced out and I'd go back and it was put together again and like the tidy ghost. Yeah well and then the that was one of the stories on this goes toward um where he talked about how she was the only one in the restaurant cleaning and she went to the bathroom and someone handed her toilet paper or something stall so. Yeah it it it. Kinda reminded me of like that. I was like you know all goes through trying to be creepy like some of them. Just want to hang out is weird after like a story of murder. Suicide like physical abuse like domestic violence abuse. The guy shows up because she finally leaves them which is a positive moment and then he shows up shoots her and then shoots self after. He realized what he has done. And then they're like here's the cutesy story of another employee that really need a toilet paper and and and someone reached under the thing and gave it to her but the door of the bathroom is a really big heavy door. It makes it loud squeaky noise and didn't make it so when she exited the bath exited. The stall there was no one there she would have heard someone enter or leave Spooky spos- as yes as I really terrible story and then it's like. Oh let's lighten it up with like how the ghost is still here in visits and hopeful you like already that cares about your hygiene your. I don't get the tissue. She says she's sprayer thing. Yeah Day need. I don't need that. I think all problem you know. Just the reason why women have a baby wipes makeup wipes you know. Fix Your Life Wipes and now we have a day. Okay so all right well there you go. Yeah Yeah Hey. They're making it affordable. Okay it's like what ninety bucks to attach this to your toilet instead of shop. I days recently. It's all over the instagram. It's just like a little attachment now. I'd be a little afraid. Your kid is going to try to use it as a drinking fountain. Alright learn. Sometimes she's okay with that and I don't think I don't think from toilet. They they would. I think they know I think there are a little smarter than the dog but you. I don't know time we'll test. You Webcam we have the Webcam we just bought a new ring Cam. That's going to be in the house. Keep on eye on child. Yeah tell them that. We have a camera on them. Yeah that'd be better. Yeah Big Brother or parental unit. Or what what else we got Chris. Are you guess fans of Fan theories that I'll yes? Okay I liked. How quickly both answered on that? I love like when it all. I love the breakdown on Fan theories I like when they try to fit a world into another world or like they really into this. Okay tell tell us about this. Is that Jaaz the nineteen seventy five Steven Spielberg movie about a fish shares continuity with finding Nemo Two thousand three Pixar movie about clan fish. And here's why so you remember So they're in the same universe same university. Yes why because Finding Nemo has some sheriffs in there. You know yeah and if you remember. They do feature a callback to jaws in which that shark takes torpedo to the mouth. And this is this is exactly how the jazz so this reference got some people thinking in the set of jaws way. I don't think it was a torpedo. Was what was the gas tank. And they shoot it right right. Okay so on the set of Jazz. They had multiple shark models for filming. All of them were named Bruce. After Spielberg's lawyer this could be more than just an image to the film. Jazz Bruce in finding Nemo could be named after his father Bruce and finding Nemo never knew his father so it's possible that he could have been closer to his mother in fact apparently fairly common for great whites to leave their infant children behind since they can swim at birth. Bruce and finding Nemo has a support group of checks for their entire. Mantra goes against being mindless killing machines. Maybe because his mother told him about how monstrous his father was even by great wise standards. We don't know why Bruce form the support group but it could be. He's trying to avoid becoming like his dad right. I still think it's horrifying in finding Nemo two. When like the the fish that are in the bags are like swimming around and now the fish like the bags are all like molded. Yeah we'll have they've been eating. Yeah that's just sort of bag disappointed children's way or like you just see these bags of like green building. Dewey stuff like floating. Someone swipes across it to reveal the dead fish. It's not even a fish by that time. Which is decomposed? And it's like just roddy like gross. Yeah Mush Mush fish fish gross eaten by all the bugs that are still inside the bag from the water. That'd be awful and this is the way Dan isn't you know children's movies are ready are really horrifying. I think every time I watch a child's movie with Steph. I'm like this is the most horrifying thing in the world and it just drives me insane every time I watch it and Steph gets mad at measly suspend disbelief and and just yeah now now I have to follow the rules and figure things out and see how it works and it just makes it even more terrifying horrifying and all that God's stuff awful things terrible no good nonsense okay. Well that's a really loose fan theories about sharks and sharks are news and abuse of so thin that we've gotten a fan theories. Hey Man the Oscars this year. Okay Okay what are we? Cut Most of the song performances really so You know in an effort to save time. We're not going to get to see all of the original song. Nominees performed live this year. We're getting to and rumor has it. It's The lady Gaga Song and The the Black Panther Song. So if you like those songs Get Ready to rock out at the Oscars. I just better here really hyped up version. I'm excited for that. Yeah Pink Panther Pink Panther. Losing his mind in the other room just wants to sing. I know it's like in the other room just sitting here man. I don't know what's going on. He's losing it. Maybe he sees ghosts. Maybe he's trying to warn us. All right tell us the story of the ghost. Things have been rearranged will now he's GonNa try to see if we get them. Meow no not working. He's got to be on the floor like waiting for us to to like maybe if I hold him long enough he'll just kinda like nope he's going to scratch maim you with his attack mode the liquid. What's going on now? He's just hates it. He just rolls around the floor and everything else no Yeah Man Netflix is cancelling fuller house. Yeah this is the last season fuller house after season five but the best is yet to come really I guess are the twin coming back. Saving the best rate might. They'll probably get they'll have to do it. They're probably going to pay him so much just to get him on there for at least one episode on how much it costs to get both. Olsen twins together for fuller house one or the other hundred thousand. Just Ray one of them out there. The fire festival they were paying. What two hundred thousand for people to come out so I mean just to do it are they. Are they having influencers? These trade idea who they are the Olsen twins this generation has no idea who they are so many followers they got. Let's see Mary Kay Nationally Caitlyn Olsen. Yeah they're sister right now. That's from sunny in Philadelphia. All right we'll take a little break. All after this director's radio the directors offensive noxious disgusting me go on insulting listeners since two thousand five. We're just a couple of guys who like movies strange times to work with their insane but I always find the director's cut put the pits. How to a you're listening to director's cut radio. You know each and every week we bring elites in Hollywood this week it is all about. I don't know what's that things and stuff and news an abuse. Early Quincy Harley Quinn. I guess that's really what it is all this baby. Cats mallon going to see ghosts or trying to see ghosts and not being sorely disappointed. Swirly did you see any ghosts? No I felt some energies cold spark I ca. I felt plenty of cold spots. And here's why it was cold outside. It was very cold outside and changed my pants before I left my gosh not dried long enough in the were still a little damp from the dryer and outside was a little cold so I had frozen pants walking around. Shawnee for my my crotch was frozen. I think everything became inverted had any. That's you know when George was like screaming about how there was shrinkage because of the cold water. I was in the pool. Yes I can relate. I was turtle in it. I was the sausage King Vienna at the time. That's what was going on. What's your excuse now? Baloney there. You go so no. It was freezing. Yeah I it. Took me forever to war Bob Cat. I know he's a squealing talking. He's like yeah. What can we your cat. We'll talk to you. What's going on cat? How's IT Goin'? Cat COME ON CAT. Nothing nothing reaching he reaches towards it and then it makes a squeak. Sound like a weird beast now now now now. It's getting enough attention so it's stopped. It's like please give me attention. Please attention take backstab. He like looks at you like why'd you stop? There is squeaking squeaking. I was trying to find her photos from that night to see if there were any ghosts or whatnot because they tell you to take pictures because in my shop and take as many pictures. But let's keep moving. I'm like you just told us to take a bunch of pictures. And he's like rushing us. I'm like we're a group of two if you had a group of forty right now. We're taking you ten minutes to get away from this. I'm trying to look to see if there's any there's any orbs Nope there's just circles on the door itself No orbs no ghosts. I'm looking I'm trying to see where like a rations. Yeah there's was. Be a ghost horse ghost ours. What's the story with the Ghost Horse Civil War Yeah north-south Albuquerque was thought. Yeah and he always like Protects the last cannon. That's in the ground somewhere over. The pages will stand out there on his horse And I'm looking for ghosts and for some odd reason. There was only three of us standing on this tour and in this photo there's a shadow of five people Let's see is there? Look let's see a wall. Is that look like five people in that photo interesting now. She's losing her mind. And it's like a double double shadow. Maybe two lights is next to each other. Yeah 'cause I'm like I could see. How could you repeat of ice? But then there's the shape that doesn't look that crazy. You should send it to you been riding along with you the whole time. Oh yeah there's one where me with my hand up taking the photo on the left. Yeah who standing next to me him and the now there's two other ghosts standing next to that and one's really tall. Yeah he's done that over to. He's going to have a heyday yup. It'd be a little heyday happening like he's going to. He's going to try to ride. Put It on ice wall of fame. Ballot go swallow fell there. It is no. I took several photos than each one has about five people in all of them wacky as he feeling that it's like multiple. There's a bunch of lights everywhere multiple lights on that day and my phone died so there. It is effected my phone talking about you. Don't want all right anything else on world news and abuse or are we just kind of. I mean we always got more stuff. Dc is going to make the super pets movie super pets super pet like are these the pets of the super people just normal pets. But they're not. They're super what they have come on. We've crypto the Super Doug as the crime. Wait wait. Crypto is like Superman dog yes. Why would superman name a dog? After the one thing that kills him from Krypton his home planet. Right so it's not named after KRYPTONITE named after Krypton. Why would they name a planet after the one thing that kills them? Because it's made up of that and it doesn't. It probably doesn't hurt them when they're they're maybe when they're you know he gets his powers from Earth's yellow Sun Right. Yeah funky radiation. So maybe it's like the combination of Sun Radiation in Kryptonite. So maybe there's like an immunity when you're back home. Is there a superman expert? That we contact. Probably they probably. They're probably. They're probably screaming at their radio right now. So you guys are idiots. Sorry Superman expert. I'm sorry for asking. Hey it's like it's a Shard of Krypton subscription eight and there's a bunch of different kinds. I don't okay makes no sense okay. Any who the guy that wrote. The lego Batman movie is going to be writing The super pets movie and it's animated. So is it like anyone. Lego style Animation Three D. Everything's Anna like the teen. Titans go to okay okay. It might be fun flash animation. You're ever wondering what the pets do while the superheroes are away. Now you'll know I would assume that the pets would just be normal pets normal animals and they would just do nothing when themselves all they gotta have like a superior pet. You know like if you're leaving someone to guard the bat cave or like the fortress of solitude you don't just want like your average you think baby cats gonNA put up a fight against like the joker bane when they come in. No He's GonNa squeak at them a little bit exactly. Yeah that's the downfall of the normal pet but I'm assuming the Batman can't like how did he create these super pets like? How do you create them? Because Batman doesn't have any superpowers he just has Naan Jitsu skill trained his very very well. He got it from the best breeders world. Scott good lineage. During that. Oh what are we gonNA say? That Wayne enterprises juice juice. It sounds like terrible. I could take him to like the Lazarus pit drinks the racial cave drinking power drinking some wayne juice. Like Andy King Dan. Hey let's do an interview with Andy King next week and we can. We'll try you'll see us say yes. Yes radio show. We'll bring them onto the show. That'd be awesome. Yes yeah no I think these down. Just now. He's down. We'll try. He's so Dan. I'm looking over our Chris to see if he has anything else are with a big math fans. Do you wish show. It's a vile show is dirty and vile Nick Kroll. John Mullany my rudolf to show about like kids going through puberty in middle school. You know it's fantastic anyway. They're putting out a surprise. One shot episode on Netflix for Valentine's Day. So if you guys like that they call it. The one shot episode okay also in the world movie news. Fishery finally officially done with Ben Affleck really. He's Gone Fischler thank you. He's not well because alcohol remember. You can't keep it together. Hey anyway tell me on blast. Yeah tell me sorry he did it from Hollywood did no. He's in Rehab Again Raven. Well Sorry Ricco kind of like today on. Where my Brucie bruises? I JUST WANNA get sued for allegedly. That'd be super that's what we're saying allegedly but yeah the new the the Batman or whatever they're going to be calling it is tentatively scheduled for twenty twenty one allege at loudly and now let the the bidding began on. Who's GonNa fill the Cape and CAL but apparently nick? Jonas really wants to be nick. Jonas brother at Joe Jonas brothers steps kind of stoked no. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT OPTION. I used to have I used to have a Jonas Brothers turntable so like a Jonas brothers a what you call it actual vinyl turntable by some company that create like I duNNo. Crosby I believe in the back of the Crossley that you would open up. Had the Jonas brothers on there and Some Jonas brother Fan like Superfan begs me for it. Oh so they traded me a regular turntable for my. Jonas brothers turns so it was better than across Lee. Though when you got no it was as bad or even worse. Here's the thing is I kept. I kept the story I kept these turntables in my office over at work and the Crossley Jonas brother one then someone came in and really I want that and they traded me for like one that had cassette player and FM. And all that and it was just another causley. But I think one of my employees at the time really hated me so they gra- so I had a piece of vinyl on there and I think it was like a first pressing of some Bob Dylan album and Someone grabbed the needle on the on the thing and made a nice little v. Mark like they put it on the they put the record on their. They scratched over like this. And then they scratched back and with those really crappy closley needles like a razor blade on on a on a piece of vinyl even if the vinyl skips with a crosby needle it just like a razor blade that if it skips once it's now permanently damaged just because the Crossley just choose up vinyl and someone you could tell someone legitimately just went down scratch over and then the record move just a hair and then when they scraped back made a perfect like v-shape And someone's got it up. Yeah had it out for me and destroy like it was like a forty fifty dollar piece of vinyl. I don't take those things outside of the house. I I thought it would be cool because I was going to be listening to my office. I had an office with somebody else. I shared the office with only one other person who was like a princess and wouldn't do anything and I guess one of my employees decided SC. They wanted to show me the ways of their hatred and make their message was loud and clear. Boo very disappointing. Boop boop so now when I listened like that that record is just like skip skip skip skip. Skip skip because it's the double skip in the jumps. It's awful. It's awful right music to the ears. No I was very frustrated with it. All right the apparently as of yet unstudied Mattel Cinematic Universe is already expanding we have previously announced. Is this the live action? Like oh my goodness Margot Robbie is going to be. Barbie The next one in line after Barbie comes hot wheels sweep the live action carries. I mean if it's like sweet like real life. Cars doing saint stunts unlike loop de loops and firefly attracts. I'm down just like an hour of Swedish stunt driving like baby driver but like all tracings. Okay wasn't that just What does the ludicrous and the furious net just that? Maybe don't give me all the pointless backstory and like have the rock fighting with everyone because he vin diesel. I hate each other right because those movies. I like weird beef. And they don't like film together and they don't talk about doing a spin off. I think so I can take a little break. We come back from directors cut radio for almost done with the show so when we come back. We'll talk about what's coming in theaters next week. And all that other good stuff right here from directors cut radio show about movies hot wheels and Barbie only you all after this guys show about movies. Have any respect for yourself seriously anything. We're taking seriously. We is worth making fun of the director's cut. Nineteen don't know shame. Only half of our audience is below average the director's cut Seen on the new roll the die all someone to can offer. Forget we let is being made we get us which choices and you're listening to director's cut radio. You know each and every week related. Hollywood dan in the studio. We have Chris Maloney Harlequin fiber five on instagram missteps. Sugar and I guess we're looking ahead it's J. or it's February now January but a Kademi awards have been announced nominees Anything in theaters. This week that's interesting because it's GonNa take a while I think once everything's in Nelson the academy lot of those movies. Start popping up at theaters cancer. We could check them out but yeah nothing new Well we got a bunch of new this this week as opposed to last week where there's two things We got some. Dekalb chokehold cold per suit everybody knows the prodigy under the Eiffel Tower. And the two big ones probably this week at the at the movies is the Lego movie part at do as well as what men? Want the kind of reboot re spin rethink Sequel WHATEVER YOU WANNA call it to the Mel Gibson movie in the nineties. What women want just kind of the other side of the coin on this one Everybody knows is that like the Leonard. Buddy now. Is that like the Leonard Cohen Song. Everybody knows that's how we could play clip since it's so now that's not it. It's like the happiest version of that song. Here we go. Let's see we go. Nope that's that's from Justice League remind all over the place what he knows Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. Dan Does Leonard Cohen last five. Min- yeah I'm trying to find the Leonard Cohen's on here. It is here we go here. We go looted wasn't in Everything but most notoriously kinky. It was in natural born killers. Okay but it sounds right. Yeah that was filmed right here in Albuquerque in inner around right. What's that the test bridge right? Yeah they did that there and they also did the drug zone. Is the hobby lobby on the west side or formerly hobby lobby? It's now they moved the hobby lobby. Yeah was the one that was over there behind target on the West Side. I was so you'd yeah. That was the drugs zone and Bernardo a friend of mine I. It was friends with him in high school. And he is now in breaking bad as a character. Okay but he was the kid in the teepee when they do peyote okay so he was the kid in that same nice. So it's kind of funny to see his career acting still continue. He's a nice guy. Yeah Yeah Nice Guy Right. Allie awesome all right. What else nothing else. Nothing to finalize the show with We do DVD's DVD's and Blu rays this week the grinch okay. That was cute. I liked it. We'll get widows. I really liked defecating girl in the spider's Web. This sisters brothers which I really did not like you hate it why it was so boring. Okay nothing happened. It wasn't funny. It wasn't dramatic. It was just like a thing and it had a bunch of people. And you're like this has potential and then A private war comes out this week. the guilty black forty-seven all the devils men. Grand Daddy Daycare. I didn't know that there was that they moved on up. Took a daddy daycare Gosh oil the trial of America's biggest serial killer. Scooby Doo end the curse of the Thirteenth Ghost. Ooh because it wasn't Matthew Lillard in a movie called thirteen ghosts yeah. He played shaggy that they probably did that on purpose. The cloverfield paradox. Okay and the deuce season to I'll come on this Tuesday. Cloverfield paradox is the one in space that can have. I didn't watch any of the cloverfield things. I saw the first one which I liked because it was a cool perspective of watching like a King Kong film from the perspective of the people running around saying no stop there. But you rarely see the monster at King instead of them trying to liking in Godzilla films. You're following the army and you're following those guys trying to stop or like the scientists try to stop Godzilla and then there's usually like a civilian story or like a romance interest a little bit. Yeah but in this one. It was more from the perspective of like random. Joe's with a video camera as it's happening in the area and it cut like slices of life where they're hiding in convenience stores and stuff like that to try to do their thing. But that's what I thought was interesting. Blair witch project meets Godzilla man a bit. So but then the sequel was the cloverfield project. Four three is like the third right. I think there's at least three at least at least forty five. The they haven't been released and there's one like a creepy one where someone's locked in a basement or something and John Goodman one. Yeah it's slightly related. But not I don't know they're not as he described the different rides in the same amusement park for whatever it's worth well that's it that's the show. I want to thank everyone for being part of a Chris Maloney. Thank you sir. Lovely hardly quit five or five steps. Sugar and my name is Dan. That was directors radio the director's cut countless so good. Your neighbors had a cigarette. 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November 15, 2019 - Friends reunion, Hallmarks programming chief on its big (and heteronormative) holiday programming plans, plus an interview with DC Universes Harley Quinn showrunners

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November 15, 2019 - Friends reunion, Hallmarks programming chief on its big (and heteronormative) holiday programming plans, plus an interview with DC Universes Harley Quinn showrunners

"Welcome back to. TV's top five the Hollywood reporter's TV. podcast I'm Lesley Goldberg. West Coast TV editor and I'm joined as usual my partner in crime the amazing the one and only the talented ended the handsome. The incredible Mr Daniel Feinberg. What's up Dan? You're taking up time that we can use to get to this week's very special guest. Leslie Dude it's a jam packed show. We've got three three very special guests and a huge week of news to get through. Do you want to just get an underwear. Do you WanNa talk about Disney plus and their alleged ten million subscribers who signed up the first day of the service after it made crashes and all these other things. Oh whatever any of that means I am we. We are suspicious of numbers in general role. I am suspicious of these numbers but we talked last week about how everyone should give ratings. And no one's GonNa do it so let's get the headlines Leslie up first. On Cable E has revived pop culture talk show the soup with a new host JEB CATTA Preta who replaced Joel McHale. Who replaced I greg kinnear and Aisha Tyler? A bunch of other people it is a venerable franchise series launches in Twenty Twenty after a three year break also on cable. TBS Yes has renewed Samantha. B.'s full-frontal so at the bees full-frontal with Smith be for a fifth season over at the broadcast networks. NBC has picked up Brooklyn Nine nine for an eighth season Zain and tapped ricky drove as to host the January fifth Golden Globes. It's his fifth time hosting GIG. Meanwhile the entire cast of NBC's long running daytime soap days of our lives has been released from their contracts contracts as the network and producer Sony TV. Haggle over new deals. The show of course isn't cancelled but new deals with the stars have to be hammered out. They have a ton of episodes to get them through at least through the first quarter of next year stay tuned that's a developing situation over at ABC fresh off. The boat will end. Its run after the season. Plus our national nightmares over Dan. Dan Sean Spicer has been booted off dancing with the stars after lasting far longer than anyone expected as some clown in the White House tweeted out his support for his former White House press secretary and then subsequently this week at least deleted that tweet over at Fox Sarah Michelle gellar starring in a limited series. That's in development at the network and it it is her second project in the works for. Fox's they are making a real big bet that they definitely want buffy on the airways. Everyone loves buffy in Greg Berlanti News this week there is no good news so we'll move onto in streaming news. Netflix is teeming with NICKELODEON FOR NEW TV and film projects based on existing Ip and original ideas and has handed out an early-season to renewal to the witcher. Okay that would be Netflix. Attended at that renewal not nickelodeon. I got confused. Not Greg Berlanti either knocker Berlanti at all Adam Adam Scott will star in apple pluses workplace thriller severance from Executive Producer. Ben Stiller westworld creators. Lisa joy and Joanna Nolan have set their first show Amazon de futuristic drama the peripheral based on William Gibson's book of the same name and over a DC universe. Titans has been renewed for a third season and that is is not going to be the last time that we discussed. DC Universe on this here. Podcast we will have more on DC universe in this week's show or spotlight segments well with all that out of the way. Let's dive into this week's top by topics number one up. I according to my script. Could I be anymore excited about this news. I mean maybe it's me But I'm definitely excited about this news. I'm not on excited about it. I'm at least curious. According to the Hollywood reporter in a story reported by the awesome terrific tremendous and always well ahead of the curve. Lesley Goldberg a friends reunion of some sort is in the work at HBO. Max featuring all six original stars plus the creators it is emphasized it is unscripted. Leslie tell us about what you know about this year reunion while you really just recapped it quite well Dan and thank you for the kind kind words but yes. This is an unscripted reunion specials. So picture the gang all sitting on the couch. That's been making the rounds around the country. As it celebrates as a show celebrates celebrates its twenty fifth anniversary reminiscing about the show the creators all talking and sharing stories about what they remember and probably putting to rest once. And for all the odds of a scripted reboot reunion revival of any sort. Because as they've said for the last however many years that's not something that's ever going to happen so we should also clarify that. This is something that is in the works. It's they're in talks. This is a big priority for HBO. Max and Warner media as they launched their streaming service in May twenty twenty. This this is the kind of programming and they kind of events special that you want to have at launch kind of think of it as the mandatory in for Disney plus right so this is even if it's even though it's an unscripted thing it's all six original stars. Reuniting with the creators who doesn't want to hear more people talking about friends look. This show is celebrating. Its twenty fifth anniversary. The the interest in it remains high warm media just paid four hundred and twenty five million dollars over five years to get the show back from that flex. Look the odds of this happening. One source said it was sixty forty that it would come together. They gotta work it out. They have to make this happen. Loved the idea of them using the central perk set. And then I would love to be a fly on the wall for the contract. Negotiations of which three stars have to share the couch while which stars get comfortable chairs all on their own. I mean I don't know Dan. Just give me a chair in the audience. That's all I want for Christmas. It seems like the kind of thing. That's sort of an inevitable recipe for disappointment and yet I would be curious to watch it all play out and maybe it should be moderated by Gunther. I'm GONNA throw my hat in the ring. Moderate because you look. I am a genus friends fan so as are many many other people out there to do the same. I would imagine it's going to be moderated by some kind of celebrity who probably not gunther but if moderated at all the celebrity that is the only thing that matters here I would assume that if they were going to get a moderator. Who's not a star? Unlike Mike Gunther. Probably it'd be someone whose publication is also owned by Warner Brothers. We are not no well. I did mention the things that I want for Christmas. which takes us right up to our second second topic this week? Thanksgiving is less than two weeks away. My family is solidifying our black Friday plans and even though it's ninety degrees in La this week. There are Christmas trees all over the place hallmark channel. Meanwhile officially kicked off its tenth anniversary countdown to Christmas programming. Push three weeks ago. Oh yes before Halloween here to get us into the holiday spirit. We're thrilled to welcome Bill Abbott to the show bill overseas all things homework in his role as C.. CEO of crown media family networks. Welcome bill of course happy to do it. Excellent so built for the hallmark family. We've actually already ready been in the middle of the Christmas season for a couple of weeks. Now how does this year's Christmas compared to previous years in terms of when you guys started it and and the overall volume of content you guys are producing. We typically start the weekend before Halloween so this year because Thanksgiving is so late. The code or It's the earliest that we can possibly start Kept other Christmas. That was on October. Twenty fifth so we started earlier this this year and We have movies that we've ever had this year as well with forty movies. That's incredible I mean it really does feel like the holidays come sooner owner every year. I mean before. Halloween is just mindblowing. Have you always been launched that early or is it just me who feels like all the Alderson like we're. We're not even through Halloween yet. Why is Christmas already? Three years ago. We started This tradition of Lucia before Halloween. We heard consistently definitely for viewers. How much they enjoyed the Christmas cut at that time so we decided to go with it and it's been a formula that's worked really well for us and so yeah there will always be those who say you know it's too early but The end of the day The numbers do lie. Well I mean can we get you on the record that there's a a certain point before which you guys would never start your Christmas programming or is there the possibility it just becomes a year round thing within five years has tech data is that is is betty movies. We have now very deep library. I think You know we don't want to spoil what we've created here here by Christmas so I think we're good with the crew four-month well every year. It seems like the competition is kind of rising up and rising up to get into your space whether it's free former lifetime or net flicks. I mean free. Form is announcing or just announced a Valentine's Day movie this week so we'll be so you watch anybody else's holiday programming just to see what the competition is doing. Sure as as tempting as it is to Knock do that. It's hard to stay anyway So we keep a close eye on our competitors. We studying what they're doing we Look for trends. Certainly with the business overall and We we do that. You don't really across the board. We pay extra special attention obviously to those who were at the holiday space so we yes we do. You have any memories of what's your takeaways as have been the past couple of years from looking at the other guys are doing what you've been able to figure out in terms of trends in the space as USA from our perspective. Our brand is so strong as Sosa's oedipus with celebrations and holidays that it's hard to replicate so as much as others have tried and they do a great job. It many ways would you don't have the bread that consistently equates with celebrations consistently makes you think about holidays and special occasions. It's harder to pull off a holiday movie or Valentine's Day movie or weddings movie and that's our secret sauce. Are Brown has been around for a hundred years before the entertainment piece or before too but we really is consumed the way it is today and so we rely on that as our north star in terms of everything we do. Let's talk about that competition a little bit more. I mean anytime. Netflix gets into a space. The price goes way up as we've seen them do with scripted and stand up comedy comedy and unscripted and over the hills and I could go on but you get the point. But how do you guys feel about seeing them. Enter the space. I mean coming up. They've got Dolly Parton heartstrings. And a show with Dennis Quaid. That's legitimately called. Mary happy whatever I mean. How has all the new competition especially from Netflix? Guys when it comes to the bottom line well yeah you so. There's really I think there are two pieces to that would is the fact that Certainly either the D to produce high quality cutting it has never been greater with those competitors in the space we've really increased fivefold the quality of our coated over really the last five five years but this year especially we've upped our Gabe and we have cast Developed stories in a way that has i. We believe differentiated us from the competition. What are they buy? That is the way. Our Code is relentlessly positive family Fridley always appropriate for all members of the family. So you know. I don't think you're going to find that same type of environment of conflicts or some of our other competitors. So that's a that's a key. Put a difference in terms of cost. Certainly cost has changed a little bit but we have a very efficient model in which we produce a lot of original movies that we can capitalize on economies of scale there so we have The Dylan should in terms of sugar costs. We will enjoy the big license. Fees that others TMZ get who deliver less rates that we do. But that's because we're not owned by a Broadcast Network or a major conglomerates. So that's a story for another time. But but at the end of the day we have too much for a strategic and cost. Conscious stood the competitor's to have there been projects that you guys have lost just because of the competition to to Netflix or even free form though but there are a couple that we passed on The flex at a couple of our other competitor's bought so you know we are good really eventually erode ensuring that everything that we are you know we feel like lives up to the breadth of the quality of the brand and there were a few movies a couple of our competitors platforms that we had the opportunity to purchase sewer WHOA with it or budget levels but we passed. I'm a little curious about something you said where you referred to the improving the quality fivefold. I'm sort of curious as to how you actually quantify that and if you feel like there might be kind of conceptions out in the media were in the world about. What a hallmark Christmas movie is? It's maybe five years behind and it's now something else in your mind so glad you asked that question Because it it really has been a sizeable shift in terms of really for the very beginning of the process with the develop the The script writing the attention to detail. That's paid aid for character development all the way through the dialogue before the booby is is he would put a production is extremely time consuming. Subic painstaking that. When we get to the production process there is an eye on everything and we started see productions about five years ago which is crab eating or productions within that we took control of this entire process where the past we would just take movies? Basically the producers independent producers would actually sell to us and we wouldn't have a lot of it put up the script or the Casteel the wardrobe of the set decoration of the location On all of the things that make movie magical especially at the holiday season and so what's we took ownership of that entire process. We're able to craft it at the better that we felt like was more bar Brandon and more enjoyable for our viewers so all of those components have been key to improving the quality of the content of the ratings. We thick show that reflect the success of that ever imagined ratings. I'm curious what your demo during the holidays. And how does that compare with the rest of the year. We're actually across the board attracting at audience across every demographic we're a little bit younger Auger throughout the holidays that we are at other times of the year so with deals for example. There's you know a passion for the Christmas movies and that Branded experience the two plus demographic it's very evenly split from eighty to thirty four to thirty five to sixty fifty four to sixty five plus at bedded web as well about it as well probably sixty forty women at the same time. That's a little bit more males else you'd that it would be three other terms of the year and now explain that to us. I guess yeah well I think it is a family buller of a family covy experienced. It is other types of the year. I think it's more of a quote unquote guilty. Pleasure you know. At other times for a Borg ended the women demographic I think the holiday is really just are so conducive to that family type of put the TV on and enjoy a movie. Hey that you could feel comfortable. Watch the entire thing without having to feel comfortable around for the rowboat speaking sort of expanding the demos last year. It was announced announced with with some excitement that Hummer was getting into the Hannukah movie business. And nothing in your sleep for this. Winter appears to be identifiably hockey. Becky e did that not come together. No actually did. We have two movies this year. That have that the of of kind of a we do a little bit of a double holiday and one of the movies is actually called. Movies is called Double Holiday Holiday date where the the couples are of different religions. And some of the fun chaos that that creates so. We're very proud of those movies that we think those movies who've is really reflect an across the board Approach to celebrate the holiday season. Well but why is neither one of them identifiably. Oh you know. You're not using the hunter brand such as it is in either case. was that something anyone considered or do you want to kind of keep it ambiguous or vague. Edu that's a fair question. That a good question. I think it's hard if we start to slice up the pie sort of speak and they movies based off of specific holidays so for look at quotes for example or you know other religions and how they celebrate the holidays. It's it's a little a bit more difficult because we look at Christmas for religious point of view. It's seasonal celebration. So you know. We're very focused on that. Not An aspect that the Christmas season brings as a device to utilize toward robots or toward relationships. And I think once you start to slice it more finally within individual religions. It's a little bit tougher to necessarily tell that story in a way it doesn't involve religion and we always want to stay. Clear religious. Coach Percy but you guys have been very directly addressing Christmas forever by name I mean and the name of your programming Blah so I guess my question is if you can have the fun of. It's Christmas Carol which remains one of the all-time Great Pun movie. Titles where where is the comparable fund involving actually being specific leap either Kwanza affiliated or Hanukkah affiliated or non Christmas affiliated. You you know. I think that at the end of the day in terms of attracting the broadest audience Universal Turbe that is bought. What's secular Christmas has become a secular type of holiday more Hannukah which really does have more religious religious? Feel and so you know Christmas meets a lot of different things a lot of people I think. Hanukkah from a religious point of view is the surly as commercial and not the society about as as much about gift giving. And it's really about what those eight nights signify from the from the religious point of view. So I'm not really get out is something we would do. But this is kind of our first foray into this type of kind of double holiday mixed with a lot of Hanukkah in the movie both movies actually a lot of the celebration of how those nights are Are Ghetto celebrated AH experienced by those who practiced the religion. So it's it's a situation where we're finding our way for sure. I edit time when our industry television industry film industry is touting inclusion and diversity and representing underserved communities and telling stories that most people wouldn't normally associate with you know like obviously Christmas is a big broad programming block for you guys but your comments kind of seem like you're going the opposite way where their shows like fresh off the boat that have found tremendous success on for six seasons. And so on. And you're starting to see other types of typically typically underrepresented or misrepresented communities get their time not just at theatrically but on television now. I'm really curious while you're not leaning harder into into following that same trend especially like I'm gay. Where are the same sex movies? Well I guess a those sure how we're GONNA be opposite way if we have two movies this year that have Hannukah the Phoenix. But there's no Hanukkah in the title. That feels like it's kind of like you know Hanukkah's they're too small shelf space at target that just has the Hanukkah decorations Shinzo amid seventeen miles of Christmas stuff. I think titling is very subjective. That'll take that's a fair. I think the content of the movie is what matters not the title. I understand moving on a little bit. Have you talked about incorporating stories about same sex couples at Christmas or Hanukkah or Quanta. Is that something. That's on your radar. Adar as you look to maybe broaden out some of what you're programming is a we look at a variety of different things. So you know. We're always looking for the best stories stories that we think will resonate in the best way and so we're open to really any type of movie of any type of relationship in any space but is it more about attracting a big audience or is it. You know how much of your priority is building that big broad audience versus trying to be inclusive in represent the society that we're in. I mean for me personally speaking. I would love to have a Christmas movie with the same sex couple on there especially as my nieces. Get older alert because it's like when we spend the holidays with my brother-in-law sister-in-law they have homework channel on all the time. Twenty four seven. They legitimately watch every one of your movies and we got sucked sucked into all of them last Christmas to but at the same time my wife and are not reflected on on anything that you guys are doing and it would be really cool to broaden out and have our nieces I see a version of us on TV or version of anything else. Besides Christmas with white leads. Well I you know. Last year we did five have Christmas movies with African American leads and this year we have four so I think that. That's your realization isn't fair either that we just have Christmas with white leads In terms of product out the demographic it's again it's something we're always thinking about always considering and We'll we'll continue to. They were the best scripts or deliver to us where we have the most potential. We'll following on that though. You guys are the destination Russian for this. So where is the line between waiting to see the scripts that are developed for you and saying to quote unquote the industry or to every agent agent. You guys know we want these three things that we've never had before. Bring us your very best pitch in this genre. We haven't been covering or rather in this demo we haven't been reaching. We are always encouraging people to bring us stories across the board. You know it's it's not always that simple process where you put the word out and you get back to three great scripts three great stories and we put the word out. We're we're doing original series and we get fifty bad stories you know so. It's not as easy as I think. You're raking it sounded at certainly something that we do discuss consistently with our team with our our talent with With the agencies in terms of things that sound easy but clearly art I was watching in an interview this morning that Elizabeth Moss did yesterday. I don't know if you've seen it yet at at some festival where she said that her dream is to do a hallmark channel. Final Christmas movie and she was sitting there in the interview practically pitching or her her dream hallmark Christmas movie. What are the impediments that keep that from simply magically happening when an a list actor says God? That's what I WANNA do more than anything. I don't know where I would start with You know you'd certainly we would love the war. Obviously Tessa may like that channel with that type of star Appeal Brilliance Alliance But I think I think the difference is and I think that all of these topics are as a threat that runs through whether it be eh talent at that level or different types of story lines or you know really going back to the drawing board it away at rebuilding our bottle you know the reality would be produced this Bush Koto this we do which is one hundred movie Sagir five original series that daytime lifestyle. Show that's two hours a day. Fifty fifty two weeks a year basically to tape shot at universal and countless specials. There's always which time of the day and while we WANNA put put on and we we believe that we do create content that is a loved really throughout the country. It's always the easiest process to bake. Every situation fit the bill for every individual who either wants to work with us or wants to watch a a certain segment of the audience on our channel. It's just operating the bessis again. We're not oh by conglomerate. We don't enjoy the affiliate fees that Others I was significantly lower ratings unless brand enjoy so we have to operate very differently and again we love nothing more than to have her Kabuki but I think that we have the ability here the way others do to kind of just make stuff up. I completely understand understand. You know you guys have your own business model and that can obviously make things challenging or you know or easy as you look at it. That's actually everything that we have. Bill thank you so much for the time we really appreciate you call in Bill. You're very welcome. Have a great holiday season. You're happy holidays. The homework families three dozen dozen plus original holiday season movies air largely on Tuesdays and Thursdays. But check your local listings all through the end of December number. Three you up third this week. Executive New Shuffle Shuffle. So so so I'm getting really into this segment. This is going to be a fun segment. Where Leslie Ashley tells us about Executives? You've never heard from moving around in the firmament so this was indeed a big week for movement in the Executive Suites as highlights go a a big. HBO Executive is headed to a streamer by everybody else. They key member of apples. Originals team is out and Viacom continues to play musical chairs Leslie Asleep. Tell us first of all what up with Richard Butler. This is probably the biggest news that of the week in the executive space and maybe possibly of the year look Richard Poplar was CEO of HBO. This is the guy who led the premium cable network to nineteen straight years atop the emmy. Nominations list. His tastes he. He rebuilt a network working with original programming after the Sopranos ended with shows like true blood and game of thrones and now he is launching production company and has signed a producing deal will not with HBO now Warner Media Now with net flicks both apple. That's a huge huge huge move it basically signals blurs intend to make and produce programming for the upstart streaming platform. And I say upstart but it is a new streaming platform but it is the biggest tech company the biggest company in the world notorious underdogs apple. TV plus for lucky has a long relationship with apple. TV execs Zach and Jamie. They used to sit next to each other at the EMMYS. All all the time. Plummer was always really supportive when it went breaking when their show breaking bad which they produce when they were at Sony. When that would win the emmy they have similar tastes? Sony you know Zach and Jamie wanted to make that kind of premium cable stuff that that. Hbo All and Poplar always did but the big takeaway from this is a big middle finger to to warner media and a massive massive blow to net flicks to and it is not the only news related to the Apple TV universe this week. That's right also. Leaving Apple is their head of have current and unscripted. Mr Kim Rosenfeld Kim was a longtime colleague. Zaken Jamie's at Sony. TV and stepped. Step down in favor of a quote unquote producing deal with the streamer streamer. Whenever the head of current leaves anyone? It's considered a questionable move. And yes you know. This is the you know. He's exiting for returning to producing you. That's Hollywood speak for in. Yeah he's just out. It could very will actually make shows for apple under the deal but I would be surprised to see that but ahead of current is the is the executive keeps these shows running on the scripted side who is deeply involved in all the meetings in the scripts and the directions of these programs. But it to me. It's a sign of trouble. You can speak to. The quality of the apple shows that that have launched. I'm are you still watching these watching C. Have you I'm sticking with them For now and of them Dickinson is the one that I find closest to. Being the thing that it's supposed to be I think that the morning show has settled comfortably into a solid and somewhat entertaining be minus mode. which is a huge improvement over the first couple episodes but not anywhere near as good good as some people in my twitter feed? WanNa tell me that it is yeah. That show is something that they want big reviews they wanna be thought of as premium programming and so far in most circles. They're really not especially if you're rating. Their flagship show is a B minus. Dan Well and are less piece of executive shuffling of the week brings us to the two sexiest CEOS'd words in the TV universe. Viacom realignment suit it and it. You say that like it's a common thing and it actually is the number of veteran and executives who have been shown the door at Viacom under CEO. Bob Back Ish. It's just I can't keep track anymore you know can't Alterman replaced Kevin K- who ran Dan. Paramount network and oversaw its rebranding from Spike TV K.. was pushed out now can ultimate out and before Alterman took over comedy central. Michelle Galas was. It was running comedy central. She was pushed out executive. Bt Nickelodeon TV land CMT have all been shown the door in the last couple of a years. This is more powerful courses consolidation. Everything that we're talking about in this space as all these companies trying to bulk up and compete with these streaming the giants they're consolidating. That's what's happening in the space now so in place of Alterman who ran comedy. Central Paramount Network Chris McCarthy is taking over are and he's adding TV land which Alterman also saw oversaw. So under Viacom. McCarthy is running incredible amount of networks. Let's start with the new once. Paramount Network Comedy Central TV land. He already oversaw MTV. Vh One logo and CMT. He literally just doubled his job but did it. By adding to Viacom's most high profile and hot and biggest priority cable. Networks it's nuts. Meanwhile David Nevins now also oversees. Bet Not along with CBS and showtime and CBS all access. That's a lot. Yeah stick around for the PODCAST. We are going to be quizzing you on all of that. No but like I just want to say one. The thing Viacom is not the only company that's doing this. David Madden was pushed out in August at AMC. which merged operations under BBC? America's Sarah Barnett NBC universal consolidated. Its lifestyle networks group with Bravo and oxygen and e all moving under Francis Berwick e President Adams departed and wasn't replaced at Warner media. Kevin Reilly Sally added oversight of. Hbo Max and True TV and he was already overseeing TNT and TBS. Meanwhile Trevi Chris Lynn was out. CINEMAX had happened. There are to carry one. You know the president's innomax departed in March and his role was absorbed by someone who oversees. Hbo Films and wasn't replaced. I mean that's what's happening in our industry as as these traditional media companies bulk up and consolidate their resources as they look to compete in the streaming era and the ability to keep track of that is all part of why Leslie is is the best part of why I have a Viacom Cheat Sheet next to my desk that lists executives who have come and gone because this is a story that we've been covering for years is now it's insane. It's impossible to keep up with everything that's happening in the space. Destroy the Magic Leslie number four up next week it's time for or another showrunner spotlight segment this week. We're pleased to welcome our first guest from the Animated Space Justin Halpern and Patrik Schumacher. WHO NEXT THE DC universe's Harley Quinn comedy featuring the voice of Kelly quoque? Oh the longtime writing and shoring duos credits include. CBS's species sees my dad says Fox's surviving Jack and NBC's powerless. Welcome guys so I guess my first question is because you are I they do owe in our spotlight. Tell me a little bit about the origin of the partnership and the nature of your partnership. What is your process together? Yeah so we met each other. We entered together summer of two thousand one. It was at a band apart. Productions Quentin Tarantino's production company. But we worked in the now defunct commercials and Music Video Division. I worked in the vault making. This is going to date me. Three quarter inch tape dubs of directors reels and Justin was kind of like a floater. And we live. We both lived in Westwood and we the At the time Westwood had like a ton of little one off movie theaters and we would just start going to movies and we bonded over Pootie. Tang I believe it was the first film that we saw together. Yeah and you know. It was like the Hari. Krishna is an airplane looking at each other after lovingly gazing at each other. And Yeah Yeah to this day like my mom. I'll never forget. You called me back in Saint Louis and he said I just met the funniest person I've ever choose accuser into Bill Hader. Who had met? Yeah it wasn't. He didn't want to be my writing partner so then I was this now. Yeah and then we made it short film together. Her called genitals awards musical and it was a musical about someone who gets general words. It was not good but it went to some film festivals roles and then after that people would be like what are you guys. What else are you guys doing? And we hadn't really thought about that and we started kind of like working together so we've been partners for Oh man nineteen eighteen years at the Elliott and. Yeah Yeah I mean at this. I mean I've been married ten years and I've been with PAT for nineteen years so in many ways I think a writing partnership is similar to marriage in that you have to be able to like get mad at each other and then come back together together and talk about why you're in. What what you WANNA do about that? Yeah I think we're both like I would say we do. You split up the responsibilities show running. I don't know how anybody runs the show Solo. Apparently you've had like one hundred guests who all have done it but For us us like you know we have. We tend to split up some of the duties. PAT definitely has a strong vision for like a production and for just like seeing the show in his head in terms of how it's GonNa look and how how it should all the scene should be blocked and things like that So he handles a lot more than I do. What do you guys fight about? Oh let's get pissy with each other. Yeah we do get busy with each other. Sounds like a good marriage. Yeah yeah mostly just as is just on his phone and ignores me now. I'm just like the dog whistle. Exactly like Americ-. Yeah Yeah it's mostly that I mean inevitably like various ages of if any project we will we will throw our hands up in the air and say I F ing hate this project we will inevitably have. Why did we sign up to do this? It happens on every every show and like Harley Quinn which are working on right now which is probably i. Think it's fair to say the most creatively Gratifying show. We've ever worked on happened on that project to it's Specifically it's one of us being like I fucking hate this. Why did we do this and then start talking about like the fear of losing our overall deal and then and then like going on staff something we really hate because we did that a lot earlier career being on Saturday shows and then at some point? Patrick we're always will bring up that he originally didn't even wanted to to be a writer. He wanted to be a commercial director. Thou come up it. That's if it gets like really this so so that I don't even know how we got to that but that's what you know. Look you mentioned Harlequin. That's coming out this month. You know this is your first animated show that you guys have done together. Can you talk a little bit about what that transition from obviously from nearly two decades of doing scripted stuff and live action. How first of all did that come about and would have been the big challenges in getting getting your feet wet in that in that space? I mean talk more about you. know the animation genre as a whole but it's really just blowing up right now that's really. Yeah no the origin of it was it literally landed our laps we lucked into it. We got a call from Warner brothers. They said how would you guys like to take a crack at a serialized. They big quoted are rated TV. Let's go with TV ratings right Harley Quinn show and comedy and Yeah I mean who wouldn't jump at that chance chance so the three people they for sure asked before the Yeah Great Daniel. Mike sure said No. He's busy yeah so so and then we spent a good. Oh year or so I think Trying to figure out how we wanted to tell that story. I mean we knew that we wanted to be a Solo Harley thing that we wanted to kind of blow past the tried and true joker Harley abusive relationship stories that you know the pilot would would inevitably have to kind of focus on that but that we would then get passed as quickly as possible and and and tell the story of Harley becoming the the criminals Queen Pin of Gotham city and that we wanted to be like an ensemble kind of almost workplace comedy. Mary Tyler Moore was like touchtone own just in terms of her being the symbol of like single woman in the city trying to make it in this sort of like scary city and and so that became like real touch stoned the pitch in a way that we pitch it to you know the same executive that have maybe heard a lot of. They're not used to hearing more like broadcast asked. pitches before maybe. I don't know that was our thinking. Maybe that was myopic. anyways it worked out it just took a while to get going because we ended up being asked to run the show powerless which kind of inadvertently derailed Harley for like a year and then fortunately it was still available to us when when when we wanted to come back to animation was. I think we know what we didn't know like when we were putting together. The writer's room we we've staffed shows before we know how to do that. We know what to look for but in terms of like the actual animation process. It's so much different than live action. Obviously but I think there was a lot of steps the first you do kind of a rough like. It's called the boredom attic where it's very rough animation. Where you're just trying to see like are these like the angles angles and the shots want and then it gets? It's a little bit refined in something called an antibiotic where it's like these pencil. Drawings they're not colored in and they're like every like eighth frame name but every time you see it for us having worked in live action it's like Oh fuck this is not gonNa work at all and they're like no it's going to be all colored in real but it's hard to. It's hard to have faith that that's going to happen because at least for me because I'm used to seeing dailies in being there it is. It's all right there I just have to like cut it down. Luckily I would say like we're very used to. I think this happens more than single camera shows. But we're very used to getting a rough rough cut of the first episode. The pilot of your show and being like this is fucking terrible and then working from that place so I think that's kind and where we've always been but I think in terms of Harley what was fun for us I think two things one is. We wanted to tell a story about when you're in relationship. Hip was someone who sucks all the oxygen in the room and then suddenly that person's gone like how. How do you figure out what you want? Because you've just been a Living with this person who you've been kind of like just following their life and you haven't had your own but I think one of the things that's fun about any like show about super villains is Mosul those who runs our mail and they're also like you have to have an enormous ego to just be like I'm going to take over the world right so it's this idea of like all these kind kind of like petulant. Mandarin who occupy have occupied the space who all just feel that the whole world is owed to them feels like kind of a relevant idea and then to introduce this this female character into that world and see how much harder she's she. He has to work to gain the respect of all these guys who have literally just kind of like had it handed to them. Was I think. Also a fun angled to take in the show just like we play a a lot of the villains as like petulant man children with their own. Sort of like you know Ben's but it just became like a really fun thing to write. What is the sort of learning curve of realizing the things that you can actually do in animation that may be in live action? You haven't been able to do whether it's language or violence or all of the things that this goes very the extremely towards. Yeah I mean a lot of people are like there's no limitations in animation. I mean that's what we thought going in. And they're certainly are. You know we probably killed Jennifer coyle who is our producer. Who is kind of in charge of all things aesthetic with the show? She's like works over the supervising director who works over the episodic directors who work over the story board artists and she was there from the start developing the entire show with us. He deserves so much. Yes and we've certainly taken years off of her life asking her to essentially redesign the show like every episode. Because you have standing sets in live action right so you don't have to you know. Kill your budget building sets for every new episode while in our show we were just like but it's the drawings. Let's just do that right drawers and up. Yeah just draw more stuff and it's like oh no it. It takes a lot more effort and time and manpower and money to do that. And so that was a that was learning curve that there are limitations to animation automation despite having like a lot more crack at the bat to fine tune it and get it all right. It's still yeah it does have its ads limitations and I know you know moving forward should the show get an get a renewal. Hopefully knock on wood. We will use that to our advantage. We're not like let me put it this way. This is the first time that I've ever worked on a show. Where crew members of the show have just physically injured themselves like repeatedly like carpal tunnel? Title is a real thing like you would see people coming into work like hell. I had a long night and their arms are like swings. Both of them. Like how'd you get up the elevator. It's it's tough is a physically demanding job for board artists that are doing like after iterating and we're just sitting on in our offices with their our feet up smoking cigarettes. Just draw it again but in allergic I wanNA talk you know this is your second show for DC you mentioned powerless which ran on NBC NBC. Live action but how does the process differ when it comes to Harley Quinn for a streaming service that is owned by DC versus DC producing producing show for NBC. It's very different. First of all I think since. DC is the network but they're also the owners of the Ip eh in that sense it's much easier right because NBC when we were doing powerless NBC kind of like they had different different ideas than DC. Did about how the NBC's put Batman in the show in D. C.'s. Like no we can't just like put Batman in everything and like you can't so you know there was an understanding like DC is the keeper of their Ip right so and then you have to compete with the film division. And what they're doing and then there's everything on the cw you and there's different traces of DC throughout the landscape to write and they're very careful. I think smartly about making sure characters. Don't get like oversaturated oversaturated and I think in a great way for this show they were like we've never done anything like this show. We've never done a comedy that's like this. We've I've never done. Certainly not animated certainly not rated R.. So they said think of this show as its own we think of this show is own universe which means if it's its own universe you can use Whoever you want as long as it's like the characters behave the way the characters might behave and so in that sense it was great like DC was really really an unbelievable partner on this show because they like you know they were just like yeah? Here's the keys to the kingdom. Be respectful versus is powerless. Where you were kind of right? Same limits yeah I remember having discussions about whether we could see Batmans hands Internet bestowed because just an episode where Batman Atman. Didn't boxing video. It would have been great but we were cancelled. Is it's sporty from toy story. It was great. My kid loved it. It didn't air no battling doesn't do on. But that is the kind of right. That is the kind of joke where we make it in the radical Harley. And we're like yeah. Let's try that but but I think with like you said was powerless. There is like the there was I. It's tough it's live of action. There are already a lot of live action. DC TV shows one or two. Yeah one or two so so I think it's just this allowed us to kind of be like once we were like this. You're your own universe. Then we we could do what we wanted. And there's a lot less I would say like. There was the same the amount of oversight below more leeway and they fully embraced the that it was going to be an edgy. Comedy told from the perspective Super Villain who views all you know. Essentially like the Justice League and there as you know what blankets or like Batmans a buzzkill so we're able to kind of skew our portrayals of those characters a little bit more toward the satirical in a little bit more fun. You Know Superman kind of a big blue. Oh Boy Scout. Who Tells Lame Dad Jokes and Yeah Batman who Beta voices is? He's just kind of a grim asshole and and the one thing that I'm surprised. They let us get away with our representation of Commissioner Gordon which is wildly different than anything we've seen before where he we were like. Okay if you're the police commissioner in Gotham city like the most brutal place in the world to live essentially earlier most brutal city in America. Live every day of your life is the film seven You would go dark fast and so so in our show. He's got a bad drinking problem. He is Dour He. Is You know cynical. He he's he's the guy that Batmans like like get a grip man. Not all hope is lost and Chris Maloney voices him plays that sort of like unhinged crazy cynic but she obviously can do better than anyone. Yeah so so. That's that was the one where I mean it was a conversation. Certainly you know we went back and forth on it but man they let us run with that one and I think people are GonNa Enjoy Gordon. It was there's also I think like and this. This I think is a secret weapon in in any television show is when your if you have a big star are as number one on the call sheet. And they're behind you then. They have a lot of a lot of half that they can push back. And so we had Kaley Cocoa GEICO and Kelly is was super supportive of the show loved what she was doing and so one of others and DC can Tell us to fuck off and that's fine but it's a lot harder for them to tell kayleigh cocoa to fuck off. They're not going to do that and I don't think we ever got to a point. Where a DC or warner brothers felt like that about us but we knew that Kelly had our backs so because of that it was like just a security blanket of like? We're going to try this. They're gonNA let us try it because we have this big star behind us. Who's going to make sure we do try it? I mean you know we saw Kelly at Ta. Obviously I've I've written about Big Bang theory for a decade plus us but it seems like she really dove right in because this was kind of the opposite of playing penny from Big Bang theory right you know. What was that process like did it? Did it seem like she was just like. Let's go darker. Let me drop some more f bombs in this episode. Like how did she. You know you just touched on it a little bit. But like is there an example where she really went to the Mat to support something that you guys are doing or wanted to do. I mean she's been like crazy supportive of it and I. It's it's one of those things where like I never. I don't think either one of us ever are surprised when an actor will come to you and be like I don't know if I feel comfortable because they're the ones who only have to say it. It's their face on TV. It's it's one hundred gifts that are going to be made are going to be made of them. Look stupid you know but she has this. I remember one of my friends worked on new adventures. o Christine and he said like the thing you love so much entre. Julia Dreyfuss was literally a joke. Bombed at a table read. She'd be like let me try it again. Let me try to do it again. Even if the writer for like this joke sucks fucked this joke and she's like just let me try your words again. which is such an amazing thing? Somebody Julia drivers doesn't have to do that. And I think that that was Kaley to just like let me try. Let me just let me try what you've put here and see if I can make it work ten different ways and then if I can't ten different ways then let's talk about it and I mean it. PAT directed a lot of the episodes. Yeah Well Yeah Dean Lori and then Charlie Adler both Dean and Charlie were Directed a lot of the episodes early on and they were instrumental. I think in working with Kaley to figure out the voice of Harley and how she wanted to approach the character and really harnessing that like manic energy of the character that that is very different than anything I think Kayleigh has played before and I think she's she's Kinda categorized it as as be feeling like therapy it's like scream therapy or shout whatever they call it whatever. The tears for fears song was about. That's a reference from you know Glenn Miller album. Yeah well it all started with talkies I'm just holding off on dropping. Okay boomer here which I I thought I'd ever wanted to do it and it would be totally inappropriate. People are going to listen to this. It's like a year from now on okay boomers already going to be out of the pictures. It's an it's an those memes are evergreen but Yeah it was. It was a process we ended up kind of going back and re recording the first handful of episodes once we'd kind of landed in a place where everybody was comfortable. We'll talk again. I was like shocked. She was totally game to do. She's like Oh yeah. We got it in episode three. I figured out this is how I WANNA we. All this is that we wanNA voice voice Harley. And and she's like yeah. Let's go back and Redo the ones I did already. which like again doesn't sound like a big thing to all of sitting at the table but if you work with actors enough it's a big thing they just don't WanNa do that? I mean you can even listen to her in the trailer that that just dropped this week and she the tone that she has. It's like the the it's like penny unfiltered. It's great. Yeah Yeah and then then we found that we kicked open the doors of artists. Bullpen Anderson. Boys you got a drug different looked at. They held their casts up. I we're in. We're going to be like sued by the animation guild. I'm curious on the sort of the impact of suicide squad here because it feels like it's kind of a double edged sword where on one hand this is a movie that made a tremendous amount of money and on the other hand. It's movie that a lot of people snob. You're people it's like me. Maybe didn't think was a particularly great movie. Does that give you more or less freedom to work with this character in Holloway Dariel. It's curve film. I know what you're talking. Yeah I well it. I think they have acknowledged that this kind of takes place in its own universe. I know there's has been and is beyond our pay grade it's definitely been dialogues between the feature executives and TV executives regarding the new Harley Quinn birds birds of prey films coming out on February because like the subject matter of Harleys. Emancipation is touched upon in both Films I know that like their a feature people have seen episodes of our show and I've seen nothing of birds of prey myself but But I think we asked to see and they're like why do you need to see it. Okay yeah but but everyone seems to think that we're not like you know we're not crossing over to an in an uncomfortable way with with what they're doing and features but yeah suicide suicide squad was never really part of the equation is it. Because like Margot's representation of Harley is is very different I mean ours is was trying for pure comedy suicide squad delve into some of the more. You know some of the the darker stories that have been told about Harley jokers relationship and again we didn't we didn't we didn't get dickey right like like we wanted to kind of Again like Tele version of that story. That doesn't make you feel icky it Nabil's you to laugh. Yeah I think that was the thing it's like. We wanted to talk about being in a relationship with. That's toxic hawks with a toxic person. But we were like I. We didn't want to. There are parts of that relationship that have been seen in other in the comics and in in The movies that felt us like you know what this does not feel like the right medium to do that. And wasn't what we you want to do. So we kind of decided this is the angle oriented take within. How quickly can we get two kite man? The answer is episode so too did anything caused the people to raise their eyebrows in terms of what anyone said or did within the when we send in the pilot. There's a there's this throw a line in the in the pilot where she says she accuses. She says that she that Batman is called Batman end because he fox bats which obviously is not the case and she would just. We weren't like obviously it's like someone for busy is over your shoulder shoulder making sure how bad when we set in the script the guy from DC who we really like was like he's like she can't tell she can't say that to Batman and we were like well think about Harley right like Harley and all these villains they they are they live to torture Batman. That's what they do and Harley especially whose law is always going to try to say things to get a rise out of him which is what she's doing in that moment she's just trying to say as something to get a rise out of him and when we explained it like that they were like okay like wool. See it like well well. Let's see what it looks like. They're always great about like all right. We'll watch it Nanna matic and if it doesn't work please change it. Yeah and and yeah and it stayed stayed there is I remember. There was a thing this was born resin. IDC But we had like ten conversations in a row about this whole run in the second episode that it has to do with finger banging which it's like the episode takes place at a Bar Mitzvah and it's like these these kids who that's what like gross teen boys talk about and we just got our explicit language warning for the podcast episode before. I mean if we weren't already sorry very sorry but that was one where we said like look like if we see it in. It doesn't work like we'll throw it out like we don't WanNa be the guy who put something out there. That doesn't doesn't work and we just like no. This is when it's gotta be so. I think they were good about like. Let's we'll take a look at it but if it doesn't work we all have to agree to throw road out and we were like. Yeah no problem with the big the bigger picture you know this is airing on a platform. DC Universe that at a time when there's look there's six hundred scripted ripta shows out there. Disney just launched this week. Apple launched two weeks ago you've got HBO. Max coming around next year followed by peacock and Netflix. And whatever the hell is going on at crackle and a million these other services. Yeah but that's not thing. Congratulations Peacock you. Officially usually have the worst of everything in town but how what kind of awareness do you guys have about how people see. DC Universe like is there a brand awareness like as you tell. Aw people who are not in the industry. What what you're working on and how they can watch it? What's the reaction to people know what? TCU Is there's been a shortage of awareness on occasion Aijun. Yes it kind of depends on where you. It's one of those things. It's weird one of those things where the people who do know what it is like really know what it is like. They haven't just like kind kind of I've heard of that. I've very rarely get like I've heard of that either like Oh yeah DC universe. I got titans they could this thing or it's like what what what is that so I think it's definitely in terms of outside of the business. It's it feels like it's like an indie thing almost even though it's obviously these big corporations making this big streaming service but smartly DC universe and this is what they told us from. The start was like we're not trying to be Disney. Plus we know we can't beat Disney plus we're trying to make sure worse servicing. Our audience better than any of these other places could service this specific audience. And we we were kind of like just keep the paycheck's coming. No but I mean. I think that they've done a good job reaching out to that audience. What have you been told about the future? I mean look there's of that platform specifically at you brought up Disney plus two and obviously they have a huge marvel tab right on the home screen with. Hbo Max Coming Up Next. May it would make sense to combine and put at least to me any way to put a d a big giant. DC TAB to start there. I mean that's a huge brand for worms. Yeah I hear you. We don't no we don't know I think they're waiting to see. How do I mean like I think doom patrol is going age shared? Yeah I mean that would be lovely if that happens for us. That would be great. If feels like you know. Now the worm meat is finding its identity that the sort of Corporate Britt Synergy one might expect is happening and there are more opportunities for that so yeah they've told us nothing concrete you know we have certainly certainly asked about that because it seems like the you know the amount of potential eyeballs from an HBO. Max would would be nice but Yeah we'RE GONNA keep asking asking and until it actually happens we just don't know. Yeah I mean I I. There's so many like what you realize once you start going to these meetings when launching is that there are so many like side deals that have been made to sell your show in so many different places. Is that all of those deals. The decisions are made so far above you or even the people who are above you that you just don't know like I remember. I can't remember what show was but one time we were like asking why something wasn't going to be available on a show that we had done why wasn't going to be available on Hulu Blue and they're like oh that's because it's sold internationally to net flicks for this thing so we can't air it here and it's like all these weird things that we have no idea what's going on because we're not business people so we were when we when we say we don't know like noon lead very complicated I mean a and Hbo Max and Warner. They're not the only company sorting out a lot of that stuff. Obviously we saw last week. FX On Hulu. That's Disney's is going through the same aim stuff as I'm sure comcast will with peacock too but when you guys wind you guys need to know something about a second season. What is the timetable for? Especially considering how long animation in the process of animation takes. And you know and how your pension for torturing your your artists. Yeah well I mean we've already we're in we're in post this production now on the first twenty six episodes that we've done so we've split up in terms of like the storytelling it's thirteen thirteen discreet. Thirteen episode arcs for technically. Still one season. If we're being anal retentive about a particular. Yeah Yeah infusing. From our our point of view all the season one as he's in one be and that's a whole other ball of wax exactly yeah But we you know if you were to use sort of typical episodic episodic numbering it's it's episodes one through one twenty six Despite one thirteen having like a clear like and so like I said we were in post production election so you know. Our production happens in Korea. There's three Korean studios that we work with. So that's the weird thing about animation with live action you think about production and is being like really intensive for like the show runners and really production is like what's going on over there for like eighteen weeks in episode. Because that's how that's how long it takes for them to like fully animated episode and you get back and once you get that back from Korea. Then you're in post production. So we're we're going to be in post production through to March there like we're essentially shutdown though so there isn't any deadline per se of for like you know being being of like amortized like keeping the crew on and that sort of thing like we're we're done for the time being there was a scenario along time ago. I think it was like back in March where it was was like if we were ready to get into like a second season or whatever we could have jumped into it if the money was right but I think now it was just like not the money for us back up the brinks truck or else we're not making more episodes. These funny drying the only people that can tell Harley Quinn stories now but no it's basically like up to them to say like we want to put on a second season by this time and then we'll try and back into that data centrally so I hopefully. I'm hoping that like by the end of the year. We have an idea as to whether or not we're getting another season and these twenty six episodes. They'll air weekly. I twenty six straight league. I thirteen will definitely air. There might be a break after that but I think it's one of those things where that you guys are seeing all the time says we are where like there's less and less incentive for these companies to make more than a few seasons of your show so it's one of those things where maybe they love the show maybe show does great and then maybe they think oh. These twenty six episodes are enough. Or maybe they're like you know we can. If we do another twenty-six these will allow this kind of profit for doing it so I think that you know I feel like I know less about the business each day now versus versus when before learning more about the business each day and now it's I feel like I know less every changing faster than anyone can keep up with myself included. Yeah some I mean. Yeah it's like your guys is your job is become infinitely more difficult to report on the business. Then because nobody knows what's going on you know we always like to end these interviews with the same question. What are you guys watching? You know. There's so much content out there. What are you watching enjoying? Well I was late to the game on succession accession but I was quick to catch up. It's incredible I'm telling you this with a waste our Royko sticker on my iphone but Yes accession Russian. I just did Get Disney plus and of already binged quite a bit of a Mand Laurean and Gargoyles. I'm getting back into gargoyles. Jeff Goldblum explains the world or the World According Jeff Gordon whatever. Whatever it's called the Jeff Goldblum one when you're watching just this this morning finish unbelievable which was really good I pop in and out of narcos will someday finish that as well. I was late to fleabag and then watch. All twelve of them was like blown away. That was one of the shows. Were like everyone had been telling me how amazing it was so like as a writer. You're like I'll see how fucking amazing is and you kind of come in with a chip on your shoulder and was like wow. This is better than what one was telling me it was. That's what we critics have been doing under selling flea back. That's that's pretty much what we've done with all of that. I was still like I bet it's not it's good. It's everybody's saying and I really thought it was better. I mean I. It was like to me one of the most like one of the best viewing experience I've had in years. What else am I watching? I also love succession. To as I will watchmen watchmen. We're both watching watchmen. It's been really interesting to talking just about because 'cause Justin is unfamiliar with the comics. And so oftentimes you will text me like who the fuck is invite or whatever so it's really interesting just kind of like a litmus test to see whether it works or not for somebody who has zero knowledge of the original SORTA comics can it. It doesn't it just doesn't i. Lost John but attended we both kind of religiously watch rick. And morty comes out the season premiere was like the one of the more rick. And morty Rick Komo Rick Shrimp Rich Yeah. Let's see anything else. This conversation could go on for. And you WanNa say this even though it's not tv but it is on net flicks I really enjoyed the king with Timofey fe challenge. Who by the way we auditioned to be the lead surviving Jack? This Fox show we had in two thousand fourteen and he was passed on on by unnamed executives and then he goes on to become Timoti Chalet. I'll just say that happens. Sometimes business my favorite factoid of the the feels like a good note to wrap things up Harley Quinn Begin Streaming November twenty ninth on DC universe. Guys thanks so much for joining us. Thanks for having much as usual. We wrap things up with the critics corner. This week's new arrivals include the final season of Amazon's man in the High Castle Kat Jennings Hulu comedy doll face the third season critical Darlene. The crown on Netflix. And Mad about you reboot that every network passed on and until it landed at whatever. The health spectrum is but the real big headline this week. Dan has been the debut of the Mana Laurean on Disney. Plus which as you noted last week did not send out screeners for this did not and Disney held they little screening for fans and whatnot in several cities. Last night for additional episodes. Didn't invite me so I've currently only seen the the first episode which was fun and brief and those are two reasonably nice things. There's sometimes something to be said for not going down a road of self importance and the mandatory in at least in the early going is accentuating the amusing genre aspects of it and not going down a deep well of dark mythology. Maybe that will happen in future episodes. I thought it had a nice kind of West speech Western vibe. which new hope did it also? So it's all part of the franchise. Several people have asked me about. The show is Pedro. Pascal good based on the premier. I didn't see his face and and he said maybe five minutes of dialogue so I don't know but it ended in an amusing place and I'm looking forward to watching more episodes of the mantle or an episode who is now streaming on Disney plus. So be sure to stay tuned to dance twitter feed for thoughts on episode. Two of the mandatory. I will surely tweet about it but yes lots of TV this week. I've not gotten to the mad about you re reboot because like most of the networks on television. I have not actually been holding my breath waiting for this particular thing but I definitely watch it before next week. Doll face is well. It's a better use of Kat Jennings than two broke girls and so I say that with great enthusiasm similarly. It is a better better use of Brenda Song. Then dads on Fox was seriously. It's a great cast. It is just a fairly stale run of the mill variation variation on female friendship storytelling. That is being done much much better. Actually at Hulu where they've got such fine shows as shrill and of course I my all time favorite. Who Lose peanuts? There are great shows about female friendships on television. This is not one of them it does however have a great cast and then there's the crown which is actually the best thing premiering on TV. This weekend it remains really and truly just a remarkable show because it takes this world that you didn't think that you had the patience to spend more time in and it does amazing things with it and they overhauled the entire cast which they always said they were going to. Still unimpressive thing. Given how acclaimed that cast. I was clarify. Won An emmy. Everybody was nominated for awards all over the place. And guess what. Livia Coleman Spectacular Tobias Menzies Super Helena. Bonham Carter fantastic nick. It is just a really good show. And it's been two years since we've had new episodes and so very excited about that. This is a good opportunity for us to plug. What's coming next week? Be sure to tune in then we will be joined by the Crown Creator. showrunner Peter Morgan for our show runner spotlights but Dan before we wrap up for the week. I think it's time to acknowledge some news that we I missed. We did indeed miss last week. That comedy central cancelled the gym jeopardy show. After three seasons. Jim Jefferies show was never really a show that got the same level of Buzz and critical conversation as your last week tonight with John. Oliver Your full-frontal with Samantha B. Not even a new show like these Mero on the other hand it was really good show and it was a show that kept expanding what it attempted to do. The the past seasons using and a half have been heavily focused on Jim jefferies going on kind of international John's to learn things about different countries in different cultures whether it was doing a ride along with his brother who's a Australian police officer or multiple episodes set in different locations in China and Japan. Dan It really was a showed. The tried a lot of things and to me. Jim Jefferies is the perfect example of a comic who is consistently pushing boundaries and yet doing it in smart ways and doing it insensitive ways and understanding the direction that you're supposed post to punch for good comedy and he's just really good at what he does legit on. FX was the show that deserved more audience and more conversation about it it and he has signed on to do at least a put pilot for NBC. And I don't know if that's necessarily the right place for him because he likes swearing and NBC is not going to let him do. That's so maybe maybe this is the kind of thing that should get developed at NBC and find its way to a little streaming service. We like to make fun of as peacock but yeah it is a very good show and it's not like it's going to leave this gaping hole in the comedy universe on television. They're still lots of shows doing the things he was doing. He he was just doing really well and so I wanted to say a few nice words about the gym. Jeffrey show. Because I don't get the chance to write about it nearly enough. Well that feels like a good place to wrap things up for the week. Thank you for listening to TV's these top five the Hollywood reporter's TV podcast be sure to subscribe to us on all of your various podcasting platforms like us rate us. If you really really like us right a little review view it helps people know that we're good or something if you WanNa talk to us. We're always happy to talk with you on on the twitter. We're always happy to hear your feedback pros pros and cons and if you have questions for future mailbag segments as we head towards the end of the year you can reach us at. TV's top five. The number five at T. H. R. Dot Com until next week. Lesley until next week Mister Feinberg.

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Truth & Movies #139 - The return of Harley Quinn plus another quality Bong hit

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Truth & Movies #139 - The return of Harley Quinn plus another quality Bong hit

"This week on truth and movies Margot Robie Harley Quinn guests squad of her own in birds. It's a prey. Then it's the winner the big prize at last year's Cannes Film Festival on June hose. Hose twisty tragicomedy parasites you Jonathan Geraldton and in film club. We're going wrong as we look back at. His first class hoping ethics no passer people in an iron box in eighteen years. Eighteen years of waiting for this moment or coming up in truth and movies with white lies. podcasts hello there movie truth is it's Mike Alita hair sitting in the chair sitting across this week from Anna Borshchevskaya Ohio. Hello you come into the truth and meet Hello Anna so people may not serve. Never met you before Hawaii eating I am a film around the Underwater Film Festival. I'm also the CO founder of the final girls which is progressing collective looking at horror and I am also a Polka Sir I host. It's the final. Goes podcast guest log on other podcast Ikea volition poorer and Co host. The bigger picture. The podcast on terrific. It's a pleasure to have you on the show excited and also Hannah woodhead fresh from Sundance. Yes still getting over the jet lag. Was it cold call sunny. We actually a had a A Burger King lunch out on the terrace one day which I thought was with. Robert Redford over fed. Yeah he's always You just trip them in policy but I think in London this time of year so that was nice but Yah cold snowy lovely mountains everywhere. Of course we can check out your coverage it's wealthy lords dot com but any big hitters recommend was now I was very good year. Compassion last year with what was a bit lacklustre definitely minority which was the big grand around prize winner. Lee Isaac Chung's film which is about a grommed mother and grandson bonding beautiful film. I started crying. Ten minutes said and didn't stop I was of course Al from Justin. Chang and I was very embarrassed about which crying in front of someone I very much admire. I unsurely Josephine. Douglas you another prize winner very much deserved. I think pro- probably her best villain today. Really really great about the horror author Sherry Jackson loosely based on her life I shall say but yeah I mean vintage crop I would say for Sundance terrific. Well look forward to hear more about those films Ju- course but now we have this week's new release tackle up first we have the new. DC comics film. That's a pray both Margot Robbie Harley Quinn have broken out to the confines of the let's say divisive suicide squad franchise for this. DC comic spin off spectacular newly we single. Holly finds herself a target for all sorts of Gotham low lives so she decides to form her own off female crew eh in specific we order Piz- him because clip that from the trailer of birds of prey. So Anna we've mentioned top that this is a spin off from suicide squad. which for many people is the worst C- pair Marie sedates not not were superhero movie to date as an adverb? One out of the kind of renaissance of Superhero Movie Batman Versus Superman was worse like short. Well let's let's have a listen Out For the worst home movie over the last ten years some may say suicide squad. Some may say by recipient of course Justice League but then we should receive the snyder cut before we really say but anyway I know all. That's aside but the prey where you're excited. I was excited because Harley Quinn despite the way that she was treated in suicide squad as basically an ass asks in a pair of legs was one of the breakout. Carrots is the only character over the cared about when I saw that trash pile of movie But no I was excited about and I was was excited. Especially because the fact that Margot Robie has quite firmly establishing herself as a creative force in her right not only actress. She's been producing foams initially produced. I Tanya a couple of other kind of smaller releases and this was very much kind of her project. She saw the value of that character and the fact that she needed to break away from those conventions and on ferry testosterone and too heavy kind of film but also with too many characters that had too much to do with very little plod plot. Anyway so this is I was excited. I was kind of open minded. I'd seen the trailer. I didn't have a very strong reaction to it which was kind of is pumped to see it but I would have also been happy to wait for it and Can See where she was going to go with it. And so what sufficiently different about investors may be separated out from the rest of the movie flock de focusing so much on the fact that it's an all female team we have Kathy on getting the sort of opportunity that's usually afforded only only two male filmmakers you make a small indie hits and then you get given hundred million dollars to make C.. Pair movie is that's all on the screen. I think the behind the scenes story the fact that Kathy John was plugged after Hurricana Festival. Success with dead pigs made one successful indie film and couldn't stop locked in to do a major blockbuster comic book movie we usually only really happens to mail. India breakout directors. And it's happened so many times. It's almost boring to recount them and that was I. Think very much part of Margaret Roby's intention as Walter the crew up with female creatives and I admire her for that but then I don't think this movie released stands alone from the rest of the comic book cannon. NSA definitely it stands kind of very much into DC you as well. It's very much kind of the following aesthetically a little bit from the visuals established published and suicide squad at departs. A little bit where you can really tell There's an old female crew behind. It is in the way that female characters have framed and in certain details as well. There's a couple of scenes in the film regardless of the whole and product. There's a couple of scenes where I was like. Yes wall done. I can see what you did there and I can see the point of view and it's a very refreshing and we've spoken on this podcast about many see. Paramedics over the years and seen last year was almost the high water. Mark all the the breaking point even with endgame are we still interested in the C- SORTA films as this sufficiently fresh and different. Yeah I think that I personally approached us just with quite healthy dose of skepticism. I suicide squad as it has already said was an unmitigated disaster on every front. But I said this morning David Jenkins They feel like they enjoyed themselves was Margaret. We'll be everyone else's contractually obliged to be there and I think if any of the characters after spinoff it was definitely her and I was surprised at how much of a good time ahead with birds of prey I think is a real testament to kind of. Wow we've been given the same opportunities as men because this is what they can do with them. This is what you can do. If you trust a kind of plead guilty of craves the female team of actors to just get over with it and make something great idea. I do think that maybe we are at kind of fatigue point but this does feel I can offer breath of fresh air With enough kind of like a to get people out of the Malays when it comes to all things kind of see payroll Pero and I think the refreshing for me about this film is the Oh you wanted to catch. It has like a superpower his The rest of them are just kind of cool ladies kicking acids so now guile and their Martial arts training rather than you know sort of costumes or like being able to shoot laser beams or anything which is really refreshing for me. Can you give me roll. Call on these new new ladies. I sh- I certainly can hunger obvious Harley Quinn and maybe the most one of the law but yeah well she. So she's the kind of Sexual character obviously. And then she's joined by Marilyn with winstead he plays The Hunt Trash. I went and kind of spoil a backstory for people who don't know she's a Crossbow Crossbows Bernard AH COSTCO WIELDING ASSASSIN WHO We don't know much about until kind of second film very much enjoyed her characterization I how to get into school at touchy by how I love the idea. This woman racist assassin having no concept of like social skills because she's no invasive in a proper household who Johnny small at Bell who plays Dina lands that Black Canary. Who's the kind of? She's the one with the Super Power And then Allah J Pasco. Who Plays Cassandra? Cain who is it is I cusi Pajero in the Connex but They've kind of switch things up. Listen she played. She's smoko who is a pickpocket with kind of a really horrible homelife. who gets mixed up in the chaos and then Rosie Perez is Renee Montoya? The kind of Old School detective. Who I who? She was amazing. Having just come from Sundance and seeing being the last thing he wanted which she has a small role in a diabolical film. Really really truly awful. It was Nice era. Paris could roll again. Well that's the character. Try most interested to see because running Montoya was quite a figure in the comex and Ron has a whole storyline of her own. So yeah good to know they're always Peres has gone giving meteorologist Corolla and and also I mean after the kind of disaster of the Quite unquiet queer representation in the in the marvel movies last year. It was really nice to you. Just see them kind of like. Oh yeah that's right girlfriend and not be thing and I'll be like hey ladies guess what his representation for you. It was just like this. This is just a thing like this is just part of the world that we're in and it never felt kind of contrived four so I was very very. It's that easy folks. It's really that easy. You don't have to kind of labor yourself to inclusive people and I mean three five the kind of main characters in this all women of color as well which is like so so refreshing to see after the kind of I came to this after watching Emma which will be on Maxi's forecast so white so just unbearable unbearable unbearable lightness so it was nice to see some kind of diversity in the casting and Again the comics I think very white. It it was yeah. I really felt I didn't feel at all like I think I mean I don't believe in the kind of whole discourse around like diversity casting the just doing it kind of points. I think that's bullshit anyway but this really did feel like it was just. Yeah these are the people of the job. It wasn't like you know a kind of We need to appeal to the mass market. Demographics just felt well based twenty twenty like come on we live in a world where these people should should be on the screen. This film at least from trailers seems to playing in a similar. Well two suicide squad all kick-ass or maybe something like deadpool. Quite violent Katsumi taught Suny but knowing in a way is this plane to that same audience or different audience or very male heavy. Have a right but I I would actually compared more to all depolas a good comparison but also pitted again. Something like the early noughties. Charlie's angels angels where it's this ferry over the top violence which seems unrealistic. But that kind of makes it a bit more comic book but the same time there's almonds. They're where it's quite gritty people do bleed up you see bones. Leg's hands arms fingers break. He faces peeled off. So then it's more kind of Much more gory. We are the most superhero movies. Allow themselves to be where you know thing people are going to punch tin sort of murdered quote unquote. But you don't actually see any blood on there. Seems to to be no consequence to the violence. Whether it's here you see the arc characters be heard and bear the scars and the remnants of violence in many ways and you know with their hidden anos than their noses bloody dot kind of reminded me both. It's sort of like a weird mix of Charlie's angels Anatomic Blonde Rights. Okay because it is playing playing into that that that small sub-genre getting at the moment when Red Sparrow Blonde. And we we we we have black widow coming up as well where it's this these female driven action films. So does it play in that world. I think it does one thing that really struck me which have really loved. Is that all of the characters you know Harley Huntress trysts Black Canary run. Montoya are all very strong physically. Strong you know you can one hundred believe that if Harley Quinn Mark Aerobic Kicks uniphase with both legs your you're dead and I love that because there is You know there's an element there were with something like Charlie's angels even your bid like these women way to Priam skinny to actually kick anybody's ass whether it's with birds of prey us like. Oh Yeah I can see the muscles whom I can see that. They are fundamentally really really strong. And I believe that violence that they can enact and not all of it is kind of about protection. As wallowed of some of it is in in Self-defense. But then there's annulment of them also enjoying the action or living for that element of chaos and for making their away with those means which we've seen a lot of male superheroes but not as much with email superheroes where we kind of assume the women who use violence in these types of action movies in order to protect themselves so not to get someplace. And I think this foam kind of ferry positively subverts down in a way where Harley once what she ones huntress is also kind of serving particular a good purpose and black canary really finds herself and really reveals herself to be quite a kick ass character as well because we first meet her. As the sort of singer in Romans Romans Club so she's presented someone to be looked at and kind of she's presenters that are being ignored the way she plays music. Nobody's looking at her. Nobody's really listening. Sitting she's just stares at decorative object in a way and then she's you know re emerges as this really self possessed really kind of ethically ethically kind of minded more and more as we go deeper into the film and really fundamentally one of the most kick ass characters out of that whole bunch. Wow okay then well. Let's wrap this one up so we have three schools that we put films on on this podcast. We have in anticipation enjoyments. In Retrospect Anawar scores which give SURPRI Anticipation three three enjoyment. Four and in retrospect the morning after probably four Yeah I think I enjoyed more. In retrospect that I I did actually watching it which is kind of strange maybe Two hundred suspicion. I'm kind of like I don't trust. DC I really you didn't know Mike Ackerman But then afford or four. I think it is low fun and I'm excited I can. I will give a five to boy Chris Messina in the we haven't even I mean that's that's the thing is I just want to say we haven't talked Abou about this. I would love to get into McGregor's as the villain I think is good. Fill in we've had in a while ardently disagree. I think the worst thing about his we talk a little bit about quickly case foreign case against the case against is he cannot do an American accent to save his life in this film. I don't know what the hell he's doing he's sort of cost playing Sam Rockwell in Charlie's angels so so they should have just hired Sam because he enjoys these types of campy a villainous role so much more and dances way better. I'm so sorry but he does. I I respect those arguments I do I do. Now you've mentioned some Wroclaw wish it was Sam Rockwell. I just had a lot of fun with him. I think he's having fun. He has great costumes. There's a great the house like a huge tantrum which I thought was very funny. I think he's just kind of they play. He plays this like spoiled. Little boy who has has too much power and is very greedy and kind of I. I really enjoyed seeing him. Get busted by the team of women who will bad bad than him in every single conceivable way and for those keeping track. He is on the hammet spoiler voiceless. FBI King I would say especially with the blonde gone back to his natural hair color now because that was really doing things for me. So that's a tip. He Chris I need to find out the Hannah's boy we're talking about the number of the anyway the way that was birds of prey in cinemas this week up next film that seems to be coming out for absolutely ages is bone June hose parasites the winner of the palm door at can last year. Juninho directs this black comedy about wealth greed and class discrimination. The Kim family are all unemployed and living in a squat basements but when their son gets a tutoring job at a lavish home of the park. Family the families look starts to change sheet little clip of parasite there for any of you Korean listeners out there how do we saw this can last year yeah. The high was quite massive. Yeah it was definitely one of the most anticipated films fast and I think could problem mia was like ten piano something. It was quite late so it was worth staying up for definitely been I remember. We were in the kite. If the pen wait go in the off friends within the kind of other the yellow line and the kind of reunion afterwards was was absolutely joyous at home was riding high on on the head of the Bong shall we say oh isn't gonNA use that but now we do you have much of a relationship with long before this. Yeah actually. I'm I'm a better phony. 'cause I've not seen that many of his films by WHO's a huge snow pierce a fan when it came out. I remember seeing that film mm-hmm in Berlin. I was living there at the time when it came out and I was just like. WHOA is this? I've never seen anything lies before I was so an and then when October came out big big fan of that as well so I was definitely like Philly on board for Para Cy and it I mean it delivered. I think you know I it really after doing these two english-language fields which I think a great movie it was really nice to see him kind of go home and deliver something that is so grounded in kind of like South Korea and like cinema and south South Korean culture as well but ready is like I mean I hate hey shade but it is accessible universal story of greed and corruption and family dynamics. It's we've already said I think we've already said too much about this film. I found this film such an amazing trip a delight. Just go along with it knowing as little as possible particularly in the rewatch even even knowing what's happening it's still just as good but when we saw it's it can I think we'd seen the sales poster they adopted into the UK poster whereas the family on the long This strange baubles and Lines across their faces and so on and just knew that the title is parasite and maybe no bunghole career. He's done some horror films. Some thrillers. Some awesome dystopia action adventures. And so on. And what was your expectations. Going into this. I mean I tried. I was a candidate. Didn't manage to get into any of the screeners. Because the hyper so strong but I also made the ferry conscious effort of avoiding overviews avoiding talking to people outside of once people yapping about parasite I would just literally like a child child. Cover my ears because I knew that it was important. Felt important to go in as little as possible to fully enjoy it And I managed to do just that I saw it at some other screening later on in London and completely floored and I'm so glad that I went into a kind of not knowing too much about what it was about and you will about class but that starts the only thing that had sort of I'd heard about and it was a fan of his previous work. Similar to Hanna kind of started to you really see his work. In a different light. After Snow Piercer I'd seen memories of murder And then Snow Pierce came out and it sort of blew up and there was that whole controversy. It had been rewrite of record for the American market and re released uncut and a reading Audra as well so I was excited but it wasn't. NFL At that point. So how can we talk about this film. It's what we can say. And I see if you agree with me. I think this is an immaculate. He made film on every level listeners. May Have seen just the hype around the film on the awards circuit. How this one of the first Korean film to Sir to not only win the palm door to get into the conversations at breakouts at the Foreign Language Oscar ghetto? But that's just because this is actually made as as a screenplay play production design the cast. The I'd say the only reason why the cast don't making inroads into categories individuals because that's such an amazing on sample right. Yeah and he you said one of your boys was on. This list is out. Song is for sure. Yeah I mean I. Wonderful in Snipe Yasser as well. He is kind of one of careers. Well one of South Korea's most famous actor most famous exports. I think one or two of Bronxville. Here's his hearing them. Talk by others. Very very sweet. Highly recommend people people go and listened to some interviews if possible. And he's he he plays the kind of the father of the parasitical family I guess I would describe them And he's he's wonderful. I mean that's the rule wonderful in this. There's no kind of There's no no small parts as they say is Everyone is really like pulling their way and gritty like hustler are in kind of a little bit in this big machine. Is You know beautifully beautifully. Engineered and meticulously crafted. I mean it's just a joy to watch the the you mentioned the production design. The I mean the look of the parkhouse where most of the action takes place is just I just want to. I lived there because horrible things. I WANNA walk around there. I as incredible thing. That wasn't a location that was designed and built from scratch because it is just a dream in in terms of the interior and the the exterior the garden kind of key moments take place in the garden and enters another. I I say this spoiling any of it but there's no that none of the Potter House which plays a huge role. Just oh I really like the way of describing this phone without revealing too much news. It's a staircase movie okay. There's there's like a a mini sub genre of films Abou- kind of huge houses or Yeah usually the houses where the staircase takes a very important place and it's kind of a more generic rave describing films that are about divides be the device within families or a bigger larger social divides like class for instance. And you know the staircase is can also be an element of threat. You know like think about What's his face? Carry Harry grand in suspicion coming down. Is it suspicion with the milk the coming down the milk potentially poison mail and it's also kind of a very very straightforward metaphor for can we in general can anyone in general kind of club social ladder and the social ladder and the staircase is such a an obvious motif in in this film as well and a lot of what we can talk about. The film revealing too much is that it's a working class poor family who come into contact with a very free ferry well off very wealthy very upper class family and how they interact with each other and how the profoundly tries very hopefully fully to climb up the ladder will not class points particular the details of micro aggressions between the money and the people without many that really Built comparison for me we Lee Chang. Dong's burning came out last year which we raise it very highly on this podcast stylistically. Those films couldn't be more different. And I think what Bongino Mycenaean parasites is so emblematic of what I love about Korean cinema. where Korean films no genre? They can before genres hopping and same time. They can be really funny until the not when they're suddenly very poignant so very pointed making a social message they could be butting up against horror they could be butting up against thriller they putting only at satire performances can in the space of a certain scene. Go from subtle too big not not so much. Hearing parasite as in his other films will come to Snow Piss or perhaps but ah Korean cinema cinema from me where everything is possible and no film mistress one thing. And that's what I think. If if parasite is your route into that that that industry three. There's so much wealth f you to discover and I really hope that if as Bongino set the one inch tall barrier subtitles. I Ah. I'm not going to patronize our listeners. I'm sure we're WORL- hips at wilt cinema. But I'm hoping that this film does well and to that too then open people up. It's a Korean cinema films into film. Do you think it has a chance the Oscars and I would like to say yes. Yes but I hardly thing I mean having read the kind of anonymous ballots the Hollywood reporter every year and hearing the same arguments Kamenz from the people that are who these awards saying that. Oh it was too complicated doubt nights. I don't think that that foreign movies should be at the Oscars you really we do despair because you know we can be presented to work like parasite which I think is the one of the absolute best films that came out last year and an institution like the Oscars which purports itself as rewarding. The greatest craft in cinema will just ignore it because the system is flawed. I mean it will win Best Foreign Language film I think is called up by. Don't think it will win. Best Picture which I think is really crying. Shame is Daphne. The strongest film in that category agree the minhas bonus said the Oscars of local and He doesn't need the Oscars. This films done very well in the states as it is. I think it's very easy. Tip Forget to decouple all these these these multiple arguments here were. I don't want them to win the Oscar because I think the Korean sediments Fale I want people to see this film exotic battles ord been one because this film has been talked about seemingly more than any other film and the fact that it's been nominated even those scattered at categories that it's kind of trespass trespass the the cage of the foreign language film nomination already speaks volumes Senate sort of opening up the possibility of other non English language films. It's kind of breaking through. You know it's not the first one to do that And it's interesting that Mike Antonio Analysis omitted for best actor for film thought as Non American film for Performances Lawn in English. Either It's non it seems to be may be opening up in scope that it's not just kind of established a tours. I not the wrong wasn't but maybe not kind of in the American market just as much as say someone like a motivator was That's kind of the inspiring. EMBIID that even if Peres doesn't win in a complete the hunter that it it really is one of the strongest films out of that Bungee if not the strongest one Just the fact that it's making doc. Conversation happened the fact that it's nominated and in all those technical categories and Elson the best picture category thought just means that. Then maybe those voters you do not mind. The one inch of subtitles will open up. There is more world cinema when they're casting their ballots next year in the next years and I think as well sorry just to add the increase recently the academy are trying to diversify their ranks which is great and essential and if they want to kind of survive the next hundred years of filmmaking. They absolutely have to do that and I think As they add more younger voters as they are more Voters of Colors Apple Women people that I think Jenny always is. That generally are more. Open minded More willing to kind of take a risk on something they might not about or piece of cinema for the world. That familiar with that. I think we will no more films like parasite coming through and hopefully breaking through is as the old style more people who may not necessarily american-born worm multicultural. In some way. And just you know more open minded and supportive of world cinema. They'll kind of hate that term Alzheimer's International International Cinema Score parasite I gave it a full five five in my view. which I think is Daphne? I think that's probably been my varying out of cannon ever since ready. I do think it's one that I can see myself happily revisiting fears to come. It's you say. They're like the wonder of Korean. Cinema is the way it kind of balances and Chuck Sizes Different Genres. And I read you think that this you'll laugh you'll cry like commits you know this so much going on but never in a kind of like overwhelming way. It's it's be too balanced an well-crafted and just an absolute deep joy from start to finish Anna five across the board. I think five across the board of me and in particular say I'm GonNa look forward to seeing what other parks odom does next. She is the daughter of of the of the Kim family One of moments has been quite memed. A little Right I mean. It's all over the incident but I'd say that she has she's so damn cool. Fill much of her first world's elsewhere pure fact. Yeah I felt. She's been all over the kind of American press you know. Lots of glorious fate issues one for one of of her with a chainsaw I think into your w someone who wasn't Wonderland Wonderland And I yeah. I'm really hyping typing. She kind of explains after this. So that was parasites a true contender fulfilment here even though we're only just into February listeners. If you see that film or birds of prey this week let's not think these will channels. That's his treat. The movies on twitter truth in movies at TCU LINDEN DOT COM via email or the comment section at allies dot com slash slash. podcast up next sticking to you and talking about his English language debut snow piss snow passer still. The most expensive Korean film ever made this mostly English language. Debut from Director Bong was a smash hit back hot comb but it's international. Rollout was delayed by one Harvey Weinstein. The film was never actually released in UK cinemas now finally found its way onto streaming platforms quick plot recount before we care a clip though slow pace reset in a future where failed climate change. Experiments has killed off all life except for the look view who boarded the titular train belong to the you belong to the tail. Not Bathroom the front that they will be different. We get lucky. Take the engine we control the world is talk soon. I love that clip. I love Tillis Winston. This movie in fact. We got a tweet from tailored Chris on twitter saying tilda. What was Winston's Maggie Thatcher by way of Mali? Ston is both terrifying and slimy one of her all time greatest performances agree on a Eh wig. The scene where she's kind of explained and we just had it in China but the actual seeing what she's explaining the kind of the way. The way of the train is too so good. I mean I. I really hope that she works guy and I think that a great match I think she really has the kind of chaotic energy that he brings to his films. And Yeah This is definitely a I said earlier. This is my intro to bomb and I dating. I could have picked a better film to come on board the train. I I really think I is. A masterpiece is a great train. Movie Cigarette Class Movie so Great Chris Evans Movie All the elements of that covered by snow. Piazza agreements GONNA. Oh absolutely love. It I love a film. That's set in one location especially if that location is moving car train. Anything in particular planes trays speed No I I think I think I think memories of Marteau before this woman but this is the first film bubbly Similan to Hannah that I realized who long was and what a master was at play here and I love the cast. That sorta just operates within this weird multi genres space where it's both very intense. Tens of very dramatic and very kind of heartfelt and then also very high octane invade campy especially with Tilda swinton and then also just this really provocative. You've Sifi Sash horror film as well on a moving train. It has a little threat as well as subversion as well where I some some of the negative reviews of this film and if this quite divisive in some quarters don't don't think it's relatively straightforward Chris Evans. As the blue eyed white Westerners eastern saving the Koreans and Octavia Spencer Internet Cetera but This subversion there of casting captain America as he was at that time in this role role and perverting the The Hero's journey in the way that it does in the final act that playfulness here with with bunk bed. The shows up in all his films. He's so where what he's doing Whilst also being such a stylist I think this is for me a contender for the best comic book. Move all time because caused the comex a nowhere near as good. Smith's this the comex literally post-punk lungs landscape Triton. He brought so much to this hit he found the the comic is a French comic. We'd found in Korean bookshop and then thought this would make a good movie if we if I wrote something with this idea and what an amazing film Came of it. I think this would go in the same cannon as nine hundred eighty four in Brazil and of course nights eight four having John Hurt in there. There's so so. Many references is so methods. So we're playing this tradition of the dystopia movie The sci-fi movie the Comic Book Movie And it's so fun what's your favorite part Serbs specific seem that stands out Kind of late in the movie Is it lately movie and the Allison Pilsen in kindergarten with the with the with the the eggs yeah It's so good check kind of creepy. And she's like teaching these kids. This is like not Roy champion. She's wonderfully one of creepy. This this thing I it's a it's a big on SAMBA. Cast like really great talent. You know Tilda John Ed Harris Belt. TV Spencer Luke Pasqualino. There's this who's who kind of well. What were they nor teens talent involved in this film home And everyone is really like much to say in parasite you kind of pulling away and like really fully committing to the bit. Shall we say analysis pilch coach chief among them is really like going to town as this kind of creepy kindergarten teacher. And that's definitely my favorite film. I think that's what he affords to some of his American can actors. Isn't he so an officer. You'll you'll boy. Jay Jilin Hall gives a particularly big day performance as well. I think they revel in being allowed to go off. I know but one of the great things about Boeing is that he has for picking actors that he sees something in and he kind kind of enables them to turn out to eleven as it was you know he really encourages them to not hold back in any way shape or form and I think indefinite Jake Journal is probably semi Calbert Attila's performances just tightly unhinged and nothing we'd see him or her Doing kind of a classic Western film with the same Genre headed homicide. The I mean I think Chairman Hav Kinda surprised his role on Chom ladies site launch bonds. which I'd recommend from war kind of auctioned from Jj Halbe? I'm just yeah I I really I I do think it's it's to me strikes say toners parasite and it's very in some ways very bleak and very sad film but then the so many kind of like bizarre. Aw Larry's moments in it as well that you kind of like laughing even though you like what what the hell basically. It's very shocking and really economical in its use of violence fight choreography and I. Yeah I mean I really do think if anyone is familiar with ball in ready might feel a bit kind of unsure ensure about By Korean films than this is like the perfect kind of gateway drug if you are adverse to subtitles but I mean I would hope that wouldn't itself had one. We should say. Even though he's the most expensive Korean film have made it still only forty million dollars so under half the budget of birds of Prey uh-huh economically. That's what you can get with amid budget moving. You know which are dying out basically. Yeah I'd say it was such a tragedy that we didn't get to see this on the big screen UK. I actually did I. I went to one of the few big screen Showing this film had on these islands of the Edinburgh Film Festival where showed showed when it was still in that will. It won't come out face and of course how he wants did much worse stuff but that was pretty bad the but the fact that he wanted by a good half hour cutouts this films only two hours long ridiculous. And what would you call is. I want to know because I don't think there's any on this because it's like split basically in the sections off the train like it's very straightforward journey that they do through all all the different actions of all the different classes and sub classes of the society. That lives on this train. I'm so if he'd caught something out that would have been like a whole section uh-huh maybe we would have lost some Pilsen. Yeah tragedy how about you. That was the star who was the the rich stuff that maybe not much. How you Mike Roy fo bovine lucky to have seen this on the big screen kind of back at the start of it all I hope I mean there's always talk getting it onto a big screen in the UK. I think the rights have finally been sorted out and maybe the is available for enterprising programmers. You WanNA show it but now it's on streaming services that's taken the legs out from under any financial imperative to show. I mean the site of this huge great monster retrain Cruzi through this like Arctic Tundra. Insurers just as well it's so thundering like it makes you feel like you're actually on the train or solve an everything. Outside of it is so threatening just by the sheer noise that this vehicle makes by just you know rushing through these mountains. There's so much loaded in the in both my I piss on train to Busan out today. about class about policy dynamics and even like I mean about it really makes you appreciate trains. Yeah I think now it might be very sceptical of taking to change all kind of the how it shows you myth building too to cause a big part of a specially till does characters kind of role in this trains society is the creation of the myth of Wilfred Wilfred we'll Ford and how the system should operate in order to make sure that they all stay alive and it's them kind of believing all of that and internalizing turn analyzing so much that makes it so intense as well like once you. I think especially when rewatch want to get past kind of elephant. tastic actions had pieces and in Chris Evans and all of that want to start digging into what Bung actually exploring in there. It's the stories that we tell ourselves or that our leaders tell gala us in order to maintain the status quo and in order to maintain the order. Row Things as it is. Would we recommend going further down the bone Commonwealth where to go next after say parasite and Snow Pitzer. Oh God anyway I really think the after after parasites I'd probably go back to his Earlier yeah Korean films. I mean I think authorised maybe I I love but I I think I love ultra because if J. John Hall until the Swinson Inaugura Whereas I think emmys of murder and host ARY and mother I also his debut which I've never seen barking dogs never bite? Yes still never been been released in the UK even on a much smaller film and he's been very much on record saying that. The Korean press hated the film so really too. Many people marries a murder was his first. I I I'd say. There are two tracks through his film career and I think the host which is a very special Burgi Korean monster movie of tracks pretty well insists no piss or and then maybe archer which plays in the same satirical vein as snow PIPPA. Bit More outsize Whereas memories of murder mother parasite or his I called grounded? Social films marriage to being Zodiac before Odia such comparison. Would you recommend that one. Yes one hundred resigned but I completely agree with you as well. You can sort of take two roads after it's no. Peer says yeah. I belong film. Then I'd go either parasite good to the cinema. Go Watch it or go The host. Yeah although she's fantastic and also it's it's both both the Korean actors this Erin so Pisar also in the host which is continuity continuity of his movies which is not a bad recommendation. Stop many it's very intimidating filmography and very broad as well. I think you know it's not like watching some filmmakers where you're kind of watching the same thing for ten films in a row. Is You know he's doing so much for so many genres he brady is key. I this is why. I'm I see what he does after parasite because I just feel like he could go anywhere power supply. Hbo Series Produced By Oh what's his name the I think he's such a trickster so the somewhat Mitch Bureau said We'd love to series with you and he said Oh yeah. I've got notebook with some stuff. I didn't use him parasite he's given a second thought he's an he's like. Oh my God Adam McKay during this parasite miniseries. I'm like maybe I mean I kind of try. He's one of those filmmakers that I'd trust enough though it's like okay. You want to do that. Yeah okay sure. I'm here for us. Please join Haugen children. Jake Bong jags eggs challenge. They have it listeners. Spend the weekend catching up with Ho You really can't go wrong with any of his films to be honest and let us know what you think of any who talked about this week at the usual channels. Next week we have the video game movie. Sonic the HEDGEHOG. We have new take on Emma and fulfil club. We have Super Mario Brothers. Let's not think of that and Hannah. Thank you so much for joining me this week. I'm Mike Alita and it's always been a digital production

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