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BTS #23 Andrew DeAngelo on Cannabis Activism, Healing From Stigma, Social Equity
"My Name's Andrew Diangelo. I've been doing cannabis for thirty seven years. I'm best known as CO founder of Harbourside were Vertically Integrated Company in California. We have dispensaries in Oakland San Jose desert hot springs and now San Leandro. You're listening to the curious about cannabis. Podcast everybody. This is Jason Wilson with curious about Canvas podcast. Thanks much for tuning in once again So I am beyond delighted today to be able to sit down and talk with Andrew Dangelo at you. Know there's so many ways I could introduce you. Activists you know co founder of Harbourside. You're involved with the last prisoner project now. Which I know you've been bringing lot of tension to but welcome Andrew Dangelo. Thanks so much for being willing to come on the podcast today. Thank you Jason. It's great to be with your community today. Yeah totally. I'm really stoked to see where our conversation goes. I've been following a lot of your press over the past several months. Some of the interviews you've been doing and keeping up with some your work and there's a there are a lot of milestones to go through but then I know there's a lot you've been talking about lately that I don't WanNa make you regurgitate the same stuff that you've been staying over again someone to try to go in some unique directions here but there's all sorts of stuff for us to Go into right now. One of the kind of segue into a lot of things one of the first things I wanted to ask you about. Is you recently took a trip to Barcelona didn't you? I did I was there for. Icbc Barcelona and span of this. Yes yeah and you. You didn't make it out to the hashish and hemp museum. That's out there I did. I had a great time at the museum. That's Ben drunker zones and operates that museum. He also has one in Holland. Amsterdam and Ben's been old friend of the family for decades and so it was great vehicle able to see his newest outposts there in Barcelona. It's a beautiful building. He's done all this wonderful stained glass work and yeah and if you if you haven't been Barcelona the architecture Barcelona's just every single building every single doorway window archway. is just extraordinarily well-crafted. Beautiful beautiful work and the the hemp and Marijuana Museum. There is no exception and they've ban in his team just done a stellar job with that museum. I encourage everyone to make a pilgrimage to check it out. Yeah I saw some of the photos posted on social media and I was fascinated. How beautiful some of you know the way. Everything was presented the design architecture and everything and I wasn't even really familiar with that museum. Can you describe a little bit about what that museum is like? And kind of how things are presented. And what your experience. There was sure. The museum has multiple levels. So it's two or three stories. There's elevators and stairs that you navigate through it and it's part a history lesson of the plant and and specifically Ham You know the two. The two tracks museum really talks. Most about is is as cannabis as medicine and as an intoxicant and ham has a industrial raw material so so that those are the two focuses. I would say of the museum. And Ben's just got an incredible collection of ancient hemp materials and modern hemp wears also that are represented by some of the leading can't cannabis hemp companies of today. Of course UH sense. He seeds is right next door. Okay Marijuana Museum both in Barcelona Amsterdam and and you can purchase CBD products there and genetics and a whole bunch of really cool will art and culture and Swag from both the museum and since he seats and I was just thrilled to be in Barcelona and an experience that you know we we in the United States. We don't we have cannabis with sort of the first cannabis museum or installation in Las Vegas. There we'd maps just did a big installation in Los Angeles. That was a museum. But we don't have permanent cannabis ham. You know that I'm aware of that's that's as large in a serious As bans I'm sure we have lots of small Wonsan and probably millions of small ones in people's homes. I certainly is yeah I got. I got some in mind mile in my altar of course but you know so when it. It's not easy to have a museum. You know museums don't make money. They lose money and they are about building culture and about keeping something alive for future generations to learn about an and that's hard work to do in our movement in our industry is still in the embryonic stages and I look forward to the day and I hope Stephen I get to be a part of it Where there are something like that. The Hemp Museum here in the United States a- every city should have won. Every every community has cannabis story that goes back hundreds of years and and we can all tell our own version of what's happened over the last hundred years so it's part of the cultural work that I think we're moving into sort of a cultural renaissance canvas. We've had you know we had to legalize and that was just brutal. One hundred year war you know and now we have all these little battles to get legalisation right which we have not done and and of course you know. We have a lot of work to do to get legalisation rights. So that's going to be ten thousand battles that we're GONNA have to fight for that. The cultural work is really something that I think our community is going to have a lot more fun within the political work and I I really. Creativity and culture is been one of the strengths of the cannabis movement community for forever. Going back to the jazz age you know going back to the brothels of New Orleans going back to Jamaica going back to India Longtime in this plant has inspired the creativity of men and women all over the world and so we get to come out of the shadows culturally now and into the light and Where are colors loud and proud and and talk about the plant in ways like a museum? There's millions of ways to express cannabis culture but a museum certainly one of them and you know the there's a big wide open cultural world out there that I hope your listeners will will embrace. There's also I know you know. Science on this podcast. There's a big sign this world of cannabis scientists just like just like culture. It's in the embryonic stages in Gosh. I can't I can't I can't think of something more exciting right now. Then to be working with canvas science or cannabis culture. Yeah Yeah no. I totally agree. It's the research going on with cannabis. Now it's like we've hit a breaking point and now there's just idle waves of information coming out people interested and I know things are are right. Now we're in the disruptive period Dealing with the coronavirus and everything. But I've I've been very blessed in my life to have the chance to work with some universities that you know are now now that hemp is legal. We can touch the cannabis plant. And even though it's not hd rich cannabis were still able to touch the cannabis plant. We're still able to a lot a you know in do some work that you know a lot of these institutions have been wanting to do for a long time and like. I mentioned to you before we started. I'm originally from Mississippi I. What did my Undergrad work at the University of Mississippi and spent some time at the cannabis lab at the University of Mississippi and so on the farm or I? I didn't work on the farm so I worked for the. It Department for the university. And I was one of the go-to technologists that worked on instruments and different things like that in the lab during the time. I was there so I spent a lot of time when I when I was there. I spent most of my time in the research and development lab indoors but I did get tours of the outdoor facilities. I saw how they processed everything it is fascinating and talking on what you just mentioned the different perspectives of our culture around cannabis. That's something that weighs on me heavily coming from Mississippi coming to Oregon the culture shock of like brand. I have friends that are still battling to avoid going to jail over. A half gram of cannabis in their cars whereas now I'm in Oregon where people are driving around with pounds of cannabis in their cars. You know legally as part of their business So it is fascinating and I think it's something that is under appreciated that we have so many perspectives around the cannabis plant in our relationship To cannabis laws in cannabis culture And I I agree with you. That work that I look forward to seeing done is promoting these stories and helping people get a more rounded understanding of how society has been interacting with cannabis You know throughout time but also in different places in the world at the same time. We're in a fascinating place and your activism work. I think is. It's really great that you get to interact with all of these people that are fighting these different battles and learning their stories and being able to share those with people to kind of open people's eyes a little more that there's more going on here than maybe you see in your just your immediate community. Yeah well actually. Jason Wants Stephen. I learned that the most powerful way to do cannabis activism is to tell the stories of people who really need cannabis and whether that the HIV and AIDS patients in the late eighties and early nineties. And and some of that pioneering work that was done by Denis Perron Brownie Mary And all of us at that time or kids with epilepsy more recently. That is how you really. We have to go through the heart it. We made all these rational arguments for decades of personal freedom and cannabis's natural plan. And you can't criminalize something like this. And it has historical significance to the human race in. It's been with us for thousands of years and we went on and on with these rational arguments and they went nowhere. And of course we didn't mind making the argument because we got to be in front of cameras or the two cameras that showed up at the press and are the one reporter sitting there with a notepad or tape recorder But we enjoy being the voice but we just weren't that effective and and once we made other people voice patients and an people who need this regular everyday people that America could relate to them. We started to make more progress politically. And then you know mainstream to build a bridge. We could stand on to mainstream society heart and We're still building that bridge in You know thankfully we've made so much progress You know you're in Oregon. I'm in California and and cannabis's legal for anybody over the age of twenty one in end. What a far cry from folks in Mississippi or even my hometown where? I grew up Washington C. Area which has allowed more legalisation than Mississippi does but still doesn't really have access. Yeah Yum yet So you know it's it's it's one of the reasons I lacked was because we could not change it and California. We could change it so sometimes you have to go to to where you can be most effective and and then sort of allow that to be a foundation you build on and and you know the fact that you'll and I another person I know Brad craft in. I don't know if you know Brad craft in but he also went to university Mississippi. He also worked on the farm. And he's also the cannabis industry he's a farmer and You know similar story to you. He heard the call from folks like me and my brother from other places. They are Mississippi and was working at the University of Mississippi was working at the farm. Saw a disconnect between what what was legal not legal in what was being studied and not studied on up at the farm there in University Mississippi Everyone should know. That's that's the only place in in the United States where the federal government has a licensed to grow weed and they grow. That's where they grow all the Federal Resource. We down there University of Mississippi. So you know it's through those stories That we move people to to come in to the movement to come into the industry to come into the culture to come into the science and it's GonNa take millions of us of village. A tribe of people to it took a lot a lot of villages people to prohibit cannabis. It's GonNa take it's GonNa take a village people to free cannabis. I'm I'm that that's the work that's great work. We're involved in right now. Yeah yeah totally one question I had for you given that you have a you know your background in acting and theater and everything which is fun because Myself and my wife were also theater. Geeks says well one thing I wondered in and I asked this because of some experience I've had as well as your background in acting assist in your work in activism given that it kind of prepares you to be in front of people to. You're already sort of thinking in this sort of narrative. Storytelling away Are there have you found that there are ways where you're acting background has benefited your work activism? Oh absolutely the ways are endless. You know you go to Acting School. You go to College. You study acting. That's what happened to me. Anthony the acting bug bit me right around the same time the cannabis bug. Bit Me in High School so I was athlete in high school. Then I got her. Then I started taking cannabis. I felt better than than all the people in the theater. Department at. My High School seemed really fun and cool and they all smoked weed so I and was nice to be on stage and get the attention and tell stories and be in that ancient communion that live theater. Yeah there is something that that just spoke to me. It made me so I studied that in college and at the time this was one thousand nine hundred eighty five and a much different time in and to study. Acting in those days was insane. People said you gotta be out of your mind do anything. The old same was if you could do anything else. Besides be an actor go. Do that. House went all your teachers told you. And that's what all the acting books in said. Luckily more stubborn than that So and but I also love cannabis and I was advocating for cannabis even as I was learning to be an actor and and and there came a point where I had to choose between acting cannabis. I was unable to do both. There is no way I was going to be able to do. Both the world was not gonNa let me same demand insane demands and just you know frankly. The the American theater that I grew up in that time was very sober. And there was a lot of stigma against anyone who advocated for we. News very much considered a hard drug and like to that. Yeah sure Mississippi. Same thing right so so it was hard to get work as an actor with that sort of around my neck but but what I did find and it was painful because you know your dream of being the next Jack. Nicholson is is something that you harbour closely in your heart. You work very very hard. I spent years and years dedicating myself to that craft and making a lot of sacrifices to do that but then I learned wow I started selling weed and I start being an activist and and all the sudden these skills started coming in handy and I found myself more disciplined than most we dealers because I had background in acting. And you know you had to go to rehearsal to be an actor and you had to study singing and dancing and meditation and relaxation on voice and all these things to study and learn and you the practice And though it instill the discipline me that few of my we delaying appears had so that was sort of a competitive advantage. I guess you could say that. I had from that and then of course. Being a leader leading cannabis activism leading cannabis companies leading teams. To get. Either you know engage in canvas commerce better and bigger and stronger and faster or did you change. Because both of those things require leaderships of leading teams and people getting everybody so a row in the same direction and get things done acting skills and my study of the humanities as a young man translated Harry very well into that I think that perhaps you know the being an actor is the study of the emotional life of characters and the emotion. Yeah and the emotional life of human beings and and so you develop an emotional intelligence as an actor that that normal person who doesn't study acting perhaps doesn't have an and then as a leader. I found particularly in a cannabis EGOS SYSTEM. That's filled with constraint and contradiction an absurdity endanger. I found that that emotional intelligence was very helpful in terms of being a leader manager and getting people to believe in a vision in and sacrificed for. Because you can't be in this game without making sacrifices and and when we asked people to do that as leaders we have to show up in the right way and and lead by example and do a good job as leaders are. You'RE NOT GONNA GO. Whole lot of cannabis people follow you for very long right. Yeah have an immersion leadership authority. Well in I'm on that train of thought you know what were some of the I guess. Kinda growth milestones for you as you know starting in the eighties and then working into you know. Now in twenty twenty. I'm sure you've gone through a lot of evolution as as an activist and how you communicate and as a leader how you manage. I remember seeing one quote from you sometime about When you're working harbourside that you learned that you realize as a manager that you had to treat everyone more as family rather than you know. Just the employees manager employer kind of relationship and that was the big you know sort of turning point for you so can you kind of go through some of the that evolution that your loved you. I'm a very passionate about leadership. Kids I do I learn how to do it in the underground environment and then I had to learn how to do it in a in a complex retail environment. Where the you know? Thousands of members of the public were coming every day so that those those are too much different management and leadership ecosystem. So when you're in underground system that I grew up in your freedom depends on your team executing the instructions exactly right and so you tend to lead with a command and control back French bowls of command and control. Do this do it right or you will be held accountable in a pretty serious way Because you know you're risking my freedom you're risking your own freedom. You're risking the freedom of our network our community So you have to lead and manage people with a heavy hand. Oftentimes the folks that you're leading a manager. Managing in underground economies are folks that perhaps have less education less formal training. Perhaps hat more traumatized upbringings And so You have to manage in lead in such a way that that gets people to execute without everybody getting busted when you legalize and you have a license that sell cannabis in a retail environment like we did in two thousand and six. It's a much different world and you have complexities constraints involved in that. You have the public coming in involved in that you have. You have a workforce of mainly people in the beginning of their careers Whether they be bud tenders or inventory managers or safety. Insecurity people or bookkeepers. Whatever they're they tend to be at the early stage of their career and require training and require a type of management that encourages development. Because in those early days. I can just hire anybody. I want it right and you had to be a medical canvas patient to work at harborside when we first opened and you had to be willing and able to work in a we shop and most and there were a lot of people that just the reputational risk or they had a better job in a mainstream industry. Or You know. Who's too risky on? Yeah to go work dispensary. So the Labor Pool that we had to pool from was very constraint and I had to develop people and develop their talent and develop their skills and that required more of my skills as an actor as a theater person because in the theater were dealing with things. You can't touch of human emotion you know we're the commerce is a story or a song or poem it's not something you touch and It so so. That's where the skills really helped me right where. I'm banging my head against the wall doing this command and control thing to not working. Yeah I mean two or three months in harborside. We're starting to grow. The people are starting to come in. The patients. Love our model and I've got people that are quite a bit younger than me working under me. And they're in the beginning of their career and they're fantastic. People are all candidates their patients. They're fantastic people and they're smarter than me. In a lot of ways they know how to do technology and they know how to Social media which was basically just being born at that time they were way ahead of it on. They understood how to gather information better than I did. So I quickly learned that what I had to do was treat everybody like they were doing a play together rather than rather than we were doing underground lead together and it took me. It took me a couple of months to make that adjustment because I would go home and the command and control would just fail. And they wouldn't do it. I mean they just would not do it and then I would have to do it. And then I'd be worried at be at work at five in the morning and that stay in there and all yeah just tired and just a I've felt ineffective go home. Just sat him like something's not working. You know and and eventually you know I realized it was me not them and I had to look within myself and I had to discover new ways of being leader being a manager and once I had that read revelation and by the way I got that revelation by consuming a lot of cannabis in a distress state of of being where. I'm just trying to find the answer in some common home taking my cannabis and being a good Canvas person and I'm meditating on this yet and once I realized hey I gotta get my ego out of the way here and I have to lead way and the next day. I'll never forget it. The next day I my main right hand person at that time was a woman by the name of Adrian. I sat down with Adrian. I said look. I'm sorry if I haven't told you this before but we're a team and I'm going to treat you with respect and you're gonNA come in here and together. We're going to do all these things we have to do. 'cause I'm figuring out as we go to. I've never run a retail shop. And you know we got to figure out how to manage this inventory and keep track of it Because at that at that moment in time that was the big job I had to to face and and once I did that and I had that frank and honest conversation it was more light to actors talking about how we're GonNa do this scene together or to artists trying to figure out creative problem together. Then things started to connect very quickly We started to get a lot more done very quickly. My assignment started to get executed and and and we built trust together and and then Adrian was able to come into work feeling better about her job on knowing that. I trusted her do it on. I would let her do it. Yeah sometimes she'd make mistakes And I had to her make a mistake and then and then say hey look. Let's review this work. And and I think there's some mistakes here so once. You know. That all dawned on me Dan Dan. I was off to the races and I became very curious about this and I started reading all the management books. All the leadership function is started taking classes at the University of California Berkeley Extension Night School program and I became somewhat obsessed. Obsession is something Stephen. I always sort of cultivated. I became obsessed with. How do you lead people in a complex constrained environment where the whole world's against you How do you do it And and that emerging into study was also very helpful. Because I would learn something in or class and I'd bring it into work and I try learn. Yeah and it will work. I keep doing it if it didn't work. You know I try to figure out why didn't work. It makes adjustments in. And that's that's what a truly good leader does all the time every day where we should constantly be in that conversation with with ourselves as leaders were always developing leaders. Leadership is a journey not a destination. Anyone who thinks that you know leadership is a destination is not really a leader because you you learn over time that you learn overtime young and myself as a as you know. So there's the scientists hat that I wear but I'm also an educator and it reminds me of this dynamic that always happens in education where you know you're a student for X. amount of time. Then you become a teacher you're thrust into the world and in your mind you're like I don't know what I'm doing or why even teaching people because I'm still learning so much myself and you have to you. Learn what this dynamic about more about the dynamic the interpersonal dynamic than it is almost anything else and figuring out that it is like even as a teacher. You're on a journey with your learners to navigate waters and discover things explore things. And you're always learning things as a teacher. And if you ever think as an educator that you already know what you need to know and that you're just you know by your own grace bestowing this you know upon other people you're in bad shape that's a recipe for For disaster. You're so you're so right. It s some things. You mentioned Some other things that I wanted to make sure talked about. One of those is stigma. So this concept of stigma. You've you've touched on several times now. Ways that you've experienced stigma along your journey. You mentioned that in acting school. There was that stigma. They are against cannabis that you couldn't really you know. Be Very Open about cannabis for fear it. How you you know I was I was open about it and I was somewhat blacklisted. Because of yeah yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah and then you. You mentioned going in harborside dealing with stigma around dispensaries whether that be from people that might want to visit a dispensary and don't know what to expect or people are working there. So can you talk a little bit about other ways? That you've encountered stigma maybe in Sometimes some not so obvious ways because I think stigma around the industry in ways that are very subtle especially now as legalizations coming about and culture is changing were in this weird mosaic sort of Where a lot of people that have changed their minds about cannabis or are very friendly to it. People that are on the fence and then you still have the people. That are very averse. But it's so much more a sort of mixed pool now. I think than it ever has been people I mean. It's one reason why I have this podcast. And the book that have curious about cannabis so many people are curious and trying to figure out how they feel Though can you speak to that a little bit about some of your experiences stigma and maybe things that you've that you've learned over time to deal with that experience the you know. There's some sense of bread when you feel that stigma there. I mean even as a scientist I feel data Like you know me. Getting involved with cannabis. Is that like putting a mark on my record. Somehow you know our my colleagues going to interpret that There's so many directions we can go in. But that's a topic. I wanted to make sure talk to you about. I'm glad he did because not too many people ask me about. That and stigma is our next big war that we're going to have I'm mean legalisation was the first big war and Lord knows we had plenty more places that we have to liberate legalize but the wind is on our backs with respect to legalization with respect to stigma not so much I while I share your positive Outlook in terms of more and more people become curious about cannabis. More and more people are opening their hearts and minds to different story about cannabis. So I think that work is is is. We've started to do that work. But the stigma is terrible. I mean here we are in California. The state that was the first thing to legalize medical. We didn't obviously didn't become the first legalize adult. But we did in two thousand sixteen legalize adult and because of stigma sixty percent of California is banned. You can't add mind-blowing sixty percent of California's banned because of stigma because the local when you ask people do you want cannabis dispensary in your neighborhood. You have this nimby response. That's absolutely baffling absolutely badly. In in the county. That voted seventy percent sixty four. Which was the legalisation for adults? That county has been dispensaries. Just it's it's the most phenomenal perversity of democracy. In a case like that data I've ever seen seventy percent of people voted for it and they've banned it So at the local level with a few political elites That made those decisions against the will of the voters and you know. We tried to fix it for two years. And we haven't been able to again because of the stigma Dan. That's just the political stigma right. If you get into the cultural stigma you know I used to have to answer the question you know. I started selling weed in nineteen eighty three and by nineteen ninety two. I was a wholesaler. We and I was selling huge amounts of we'd underground and I would go interact with the theater. World or the film world or the academic world or mainstream society. People I would meet they come up and say oh hi. You'RE ANDREW THE ENVELOPE. What do you do for a living? Yeah and justice question was traumatic for me to hear news. An wasn't Enron was. Not just the stigma that society had on cannabis. It was. It was the stigma. I was placing on myself even Yeah and I remember growing up in the eighties and nineties and you know if something went wrong in your life you would say oh God maybe it's because all the smoke and you know maybe it's you know all these lies and all. This BS that was planted into your head about cannabis would start to rear. Its ugly head. You Know I. It's almost like it's just it's terrible demon That you have to exercise up from the early agree. Yeah from inside you and it took me a long time not until the opened harborside and even after even at our remember the woman. I'm in love with right now. I've been with twelve years when I first started dating her twelve thirteen years ago. We had just opened harborside a year prior and I to go meet her parents. Go meet the pair. Yup I'm the guy with the dispensary. The what do you do for a living. So what do you do for a living right and And and so that was after we had harbourside illegal and I had a license. It was still you know I remember talking to Samantha. Well how to answer that question. Do you think should be totally honest. Be totally honest. I'm like okay. How's that GONNA go? I guess we'll see I was honest. Very nice actually Her father her mother were very very supportive and Nice And kind and a very conservative people so it or somewhat conservative. I can't say they're very conservative. But some conservative and and and I was grateful that we were able to get over that and then I was very you know in the subsequent years. Both both of SAM's Parents used cannabis for their own health and wellness So you know we got to know each other Over time but that's that's you know. An and and if you think about stigma and all the different ways you know. I think about a place like Mississippi. Were where you grew up in. Just wow you know where people really really believe that cannabis causes insanity and murderous behavior and people in all. And it'll send you to hell. I mean that's you know. And he's there right you know and and So so the the the stigma any now. There's there's actually a long tradition of of of the Catholic Church churches. I'm sort of marginalising. Canvas people for using our sacrament Over the years particularly in Mexico and Latin America So there's a there's a history there so and the way how do we deal with it okay? Great we've talked about it persists. I don't know how do you deal with it an and one. You have to get validation from people in your immediate circle and community right and I just just like we're doing right now to canvas people were were talking about canvas or communicating with our own community and were validated in each other's sacrifices that were making right now To be in communion with this plant right now is hard. It's still somewhat risky. There's so much stay on. It's still somewhat risky. So so that's one way. We create our own validation circles and stories The other the other ways we have to manage ourselves You know I it. I was lucky enough that the acting training instilled in me a practice that I do every single day That allows me to manage my physical mental health in a way that that allows me to be a little bit. Detached emotionally spiritually From and and it's only really been last few years that I've been able to practice meditation At a place at a point where I'm able to experience this detachment Where where an and for a long time? I was very judgmental on myself because I wanted to. I was striving to to get so much done at and when I didn't get it done or failed. Be Very judgmental myself. And now we're that would also happen with stigma Where I'd feel guilty Or some I would internalize some of that. External Stigma and meditation and and helped me a lot with that internal work so we have to have the external validation and then we have to do our internal work and and and you know ultimately. This is a hard path to follow and you have to enjoy the journey. If you if you don't love this journey you will experience depression at burn out and sadness and and you may feel marginalized and excluded from from society and and then that stigma can really be harmful though so it's hard it really is. Yeah very very hard and there's moments of maybe I you know I'm now fifty two years old. I've been doing this work for a long time. And I I I've I have community around be now that it's it's Kinda strange it if you're not into cannabis in in my work but you know it's taken me a long time to develop that and many people that are you know earlier in their careers and their journeys as leaders may have moments where they just feel terrible because of the stigma and the only thing. I can say in in those dark times is is is take deep breaths and and understand that. What's happening to you in? That moment is a part of you. There's a part of you that has gotten bigger and has overtaken you and that part of you has listened to ally and and in fact is lying to you right now. Our minds play these tricks on ourselves when when we say Oh kinda failure. Nobody's a failure okay But worked so hard on ourselves. You know and the stigma. A the the the most insidious part of the stigma is what it causes us to do to ourselves. And you see this. With other forms of stigma whether it be racism or homophobia or it. All kind of works in the operating system of stigma and hatred is is very similar to each other and you know people what ends up. Happening is our very bodies through slavery or or imprisonment or even death in lynching Become victim to this stigma to this lie to this craziness and and so that's why we have to take care of ourselves and surround ourselves with a community people and work like hell to change it So that our future generations are kissing. Grandkids don't have to experience this torment that we do. Yeah it's intergenerational trauma for sure and I think you you just explained Perfectly you're mirroring my experience so well as far as you know when I moved to Oregon from Mississippi so I had all sorts of trauma from growing up in Mississippi in being involved in cannabis and everything I though I injured my back When I was a teenager and A realized after going through drug trials and everything I realized that cannabis was something that was probably going to be a part of my life forever because of how it was able to help me function. And and that's where thing but I came to that realization in the middle of Mississippi Where you know. There's obviously no access and your whole life will get ruined if you're you're caught with it and everything so that it starts to generate all these different patterns of thinking of like Oh. I can't let anybody know I've got to hide this part of my life away And so even when I moved to Oregon and had that was before Oregon has legalized so I had a medical card. And I knew like I can use cannabis legal aid. There's no risk anymore for me. Just using cannabis in my home you know but still. I would still. My heart would start racing like you know I might use cannabis and then I'd sit there and think about what if someone comes through the door you know or what if someone smells it. What what all these would. If that I would normally go through in Mississippi and I sit there and know to the point I was having panic attacks about these sort of issues and it. It took years and years and years for that feeling to slowly come down and to feel more comfortable but it is still something to this day. I've been in Oregon for seven years and still have you know a much quieter voice or feeling in my body now than it than it has been But it is still there. It's still whispering. Is The bits that you know of feedback that you were fed and your upbringing these cultural messages and everything that we whether conscious or not that we integrate into ourselves and so when things happen. That's what we draw from these these different pieces of programming. That it's our it's it becomes our life's work to Reprogram Nutley. True what you said so true. I mean when I get out of the California bubble and I have to go to a place like Texas. Yeah Oh my God. I'm hiding bathrooms. I've got you know I I'm worried I'm GonNa get busted and Lord knows headlines. All OVER THE PLANET RIGHT. Canada's leader musty with Gosh only knows what they do to me you know are so and all that goes through my mind Ted Day when I go to places like Texas or or I. I haven't been to Mississippi Man I I'm not. I'm not brave enough to go there yet but if I was invited to go definitely go And and we'd have to go through all those those those those traumas all over again because we're not gonNA stop taking cannabis and and and you know so. Wow it's so hard isn't it's one of the when I hear the stories like that when you find yourself locked in your own bathroom in your own home in your own heart right back on you know things are are are weird and you know it's it's it's it's And it's just terrible and and it does. It takes a lifetime to program. That good news is it can be done. Yeah and when you when you get back on when you get to the other side of that and you you can laugh at it and and and realize it's absurdity And what a powerful hold it has on us all. And so you get that detaching I was talking about a minute ago At the end of the day you know visionary plans like cannabis. Teach us to lighten up. Man We all work really really hard. We try sometimes things go well. Sometimes they don't Right now we're dealing with a pandemic and clearly we're not prepared for clearly clearly not prepared for it right and should have been prepared for an and so so But we have to deal with that in an honest way and and and we can't all jump off a bridge right We have to say okay. We end up. Let's fix it And and And so that's that's sort of place I I'm I'm at with it now. Where where you can just kind of laugh at the absurdity of of all those things that that the stigma did them to us and and work really hard to eradicate it from our culture in our society and that's GonNa take a multiple generation. It will it really will but gosh won't be wonderful. Whenever that time is yeah multiple generations from now where you know the world of canvas just like you know the world of apples and oranges right. Yeah Yeah I mean. I had a big moment for me of getting past my own. Stigma was taking a leap of faith and essentially a you know sort of coming out to my family saying that this is the thing that's part of my life that. I know you know probably have problems with but we need to talk it through because it's not going anywhere and you know we need to come to some solidarity. How old were you when you do that? I was probably one eighty or twenty one. Twenty one twenty okay and Because it was right after That whole incident was saying we're went to trials from my back and everything came to that conclusion so then my next step was like well. I need to to my parents about this. And I've been using cannabis for a long time before that But I'd never you know made these connections that it was benefiting my wellness in such a substantial way. You know that I needed to really take it seriously. And that was a really hard thing to do and it was a painful thing to do. My parents and I didn't talk a lot for a couple of years after that. Wow it was. It was really hard. You know a lot of tears were shed and my parents. Just you know at that time so also my dad is a southern Baptist preacher. So let's throw that into the WHO so. There's a lot of lot of dynamics. They're trying to figure out how to wrestle with this news and so it took a while but where I'm at with my relationship with my parents now is though immensely better than it's ever been. And they now use cannabis products for different things that they have issues with. And we've made it to that other side at least within our own relationship with each other and that gives me a lot of hope for what can happen And sometimes what it takes for people's minds to change is for someone they love that then you know be affected by something that they've held this stigma about for so long and then they're kind of forced to decide like. Do you want to hold on to that? You know that negatively or do you open your mind a little bit and Depp into the unknown and see what happens and I mean. Your story is the same mind And the same as my girlfriend Samantha story with. I just told them minute ago. And there's a reason they're the same story You know the fact that your dad is is a a preacher in the community definitely complicated. Things must've been berry. You must've been really nervous right before that conversation. I'm sure because My brother had we had to have that conversation with arquette. At one point you know many many many years ago. I know exactly what it's like. And and yeah you go through this this period just pain and just everyone's angry and hurt and feels betrayed right. There's like feeling of US and confusion right. I mean I remember. They're both my dad would felt betrayed and we felt betrayed. You know and she was just such a hard time to get through that couple of years after the conversation and it was you know after that conversation our family my brother my father did not speak for a number of years and I had to work really hard to build that bridge you know as a younger son and brother And and we were able to do it just like you your story by you know. By the end of my parents life. Everybody Union might parents gave us the loan that we needed for harborside. You know. Wow I didn't know that. Wow Oh yeah well we sold. My Mom's house moved around with us. We were taking care of my mom by that point and and and so she invested that and then my dad. My Dad actually help us because we ran out of a little aloe more and my dad helped us to and we pay those loans back with a nice interest them and and that's how we started harbourside so these family stories. There's a full circle effect. That occurred bright. And and so for for people that are dealing with this right now on your at that beginning. Stage that hard and painful stage. It does get better. Because now the the the cannabis prohibition statement is built on a lie and anything that's built on a lie just can't live in the hearts and minds of people a long and sustained way it just can't especially when presented with evidence like a hurt back or a child epilepsy or somebody's dying from HIV. What really and so. When and a Prince Sense it contradicts the Lai and contradicts the lie on notional level on emotional. And that's an and when you start to do that at the emotional level. That's really where people make decisions. People don't make rational decisions as people make emotional decision so so that story That those family stories. Because it's really it's the first act of activism is is is is is coming out of the to your family and friends and bosses and Co workers and that's the first act of activism. That's when you decided to be an activist and often that that first step is the hardest because You are exposing yourself to the vulnerability of your own family and community and their judgment of you. And so it's very vulnerable emotionally vulnerable thing to do and anyone who does it is brave and to active activism and and it's the first activism. I remember you know Steve is my older brother and so I was raised to be to do this. I was raised to go. Raise Hell legalize weed. But but even I remember when I went to College. I I wore shirt with weed leaf on it and nineteen eighty five and you know is a big deal to do that and I. I was trying to send a message to other people that might be. We people to to come say hi right. Yeah Yeah You've got a friend in me but I didn't realize because Stevens my brother and I was. I was determined to do this anyway. I didn't realize what kind of reaction that was going to have in one thousand nine hundred five in Orange County. Al And so You know he's almost like coming out to my parents. The way that the teachers and the administrators all my God they. They marched me into one office after another. I eventually went back to the dorm. Room changed my shirt because it was just not that you know I was the second or third day of school and I want to work anymore. Kicked out before even started. Yeah but I was selling weed in the dorms too. So it was it was we were we were we were on the razor's edge bit by But now the the that's that it that's early activism you take those risks and it's it's a little bit dangerous Because it's it's not so much that you'll get busted. It's that you'll get rejected by your own family and community and that's almost worse than getting busted. Yeah Yeah Yeah I mean that. That of like exile and something. I appreciate that you say a lot in a lot of your interviews and presentations and things. You bring attention to the concept of cultivating community and even in our conversation. Today you've talked about. You know how to deal with stigma. Develop that community around yourself. You know as well as taking care of your internal self but that's something that I really appreciate that you're consistent about in your message. Is that one of the things that helps with so many things related to the issues that we're trying to deal with alternating community trying to you know in expand that community whether it's you know within your family your friends and when people take that leap of faith of their first moment of activism. It doesn't always go well. It's not always not. Everybody has a positive outcome with that. Like we did. And so then it becomes figuring out that mission of cultivating that community trying to find you know those people that can support you and and and help and and the segues into you know one of the Other things I wanted to talk about before we sign off here which is the last prisoner project. So this relates to stigma released community. It relates to everything That we've been talking about in various ways So can you speak a little bit about that as far as What less prisoner project is trying to do? It's something that I am very excited about coming from Mississippi like I said I have friends that have been busted. You know I fortunately have not been to jail That's just look. That's the only reason but I have plenty of friends that have And so can you speak a little bit? Not just to what less prisoner project is trying to do. But why why? It's so important and why People that maybe are not so pro cannabis to take notice of this and in think critically about what you're trying to do. Well there's nothing I like talking about more than the last prisoner. Projects is big passion project of ours right now. I'm putting a lot of my time and energy into it and the simple. Why of it is cannabis is becoming legal? All over the world and people are making millions and billions of dollars of market share is being created right now And all that market share is being created by people growing and selling and transporting we'd get one way or another. They might be making it into fancy vape pen. But at the end of the day they're growing selling we and manufacturing so and it's the same and there's forty thousand people in prisons who did the same thing and they're in prison. They're not in board rooms. They're not in fancy offices are not publicly traded their their act their bankrupt their loved ones are growing up and and and dying without them their their children are don't have their parents on their their communities is without them their freedom has been taken away their their lives have been totally destroyed going and the stigma and the trauma as well that they've now had to live with you know all the time. Oh yeah the trauma of going to prison and then being in prison during a pandemic when you're not supposed to be there in there in the first place and then you're in there and you're watching the TV and there's a dispensary that's opening right down. The street from the prison. Essential Service declared a sense of service in their publicly traded in the CEO. Just made five hundred thousand dollars last year so That would drive you and me and anybody in prison absolutely insane depressed sad suicidal and and Steven. I WanNa do something like a nonprofit for prisoners for a long time when we opened harbourside we had a program where people could write letters to prisoners canvas prisoners in. We give you a free gram of weed in exchange for writing a letter and the last prisoner project probably had some genesis from from that early program. Thirteen years ago that we launched But you know about a year ago I I stopped running the day day. Harborside and I had more time to to devote to another type of activism and so last prisoner project is a nonprofit organization. We launched about a year ago where we have executive director Sarah Gerston and a a managing director named Mary. Bailey fantastic people. We have a website called last tourism project. Dot Org You can reach Mary at last prison. Project DOT ORG or Sarah at that you are Allen you know. We were looking for people in the industry to partner with us to raise money and we have several programs that you can learn about on our website to do that. and our mission is to get people out To expunge records once they are out and then to reintegrate them into society with housing and Training and a job in the legal cannabis industry so we partnered with a multi-state operator called harvest and We are going to be training prisoners. Who were released and placing them in the cannabis industry So all three of those programs Clemencies enormously expensive and hard to do expunge. -ment is not as hard as clemency but still difficult and and certainly getting people trained and employed and housed Is is not cheap either. So so were. We've got a lot of work ahead of us and many millions of dollars that we need to raise two to achieve those three things and it it may take you know a generation or two To to get it all done because we want to do this. Globally not just in America North America. We'd like to do this work globally. And and you know we're close. We've already collaborated with some of these early releases with other social justice groups so there's many social justice groups now. Social Justice thanked police An issue that sort of becoming Popular as issues go And I'm glad on the needs to be a long overdue and and and so that that's what last prisoner project is and that's why the we have to restore justice and we have to get people out of prison and and you know. I don't think it's right for any of us to be in this industry. Without doing something to to solve this social justice inequality and and and problem that we're having now and it's not just people in prison. It's making sure that we have social equity program that works We don't have that yet Like I mentioned earlier both legalization and how social Equity Works within legalization is not quite designed very well yet It's very clumsy and it's not working so good and and we have lots of fixed their So yeah and that's when you're describing. I mean that's kind of how St the last prisoner project is big Social Equity Project Because I mean let's face it. We're in a situation. Now where legal cannabis? Getting majorly whitewash. Because you've got people of color that are disproportionately affected by the cannabis laws in the first place. So you see who's in jail and you've taken essentially large a population of people of color and taking them out of the game completely while you've now got dates legalizing and all of these companies. Starting to get involved in a lot of them are not diverse. And this is an issue that I'll be talking on another interview very soon with somebody about specifically just about that problem but this is related. The problem with the prison issue social equity all of these things are interrelated and if we don't address them with urgency then the industry is going to develop on the current path that it's on now Which I mean to put it. Diplomatically is not ideal You know if we were to see it run. Its course so I view this as something very urgent for people to pay attention to notice and understand. These dynamics that are at play that this isn't it is about getting people out of prison. That shouldn't be there but it's also about reestablishing the social equity piece That these these people should have a right to well. Here's the thing about social equity that I think is the key and and this is a controversial thing to say but we can't just give social equity lip-service yet way. Social Equity is going to succeed. Is these companies are going to be diverse. And we're going to have a whole bunch of companies owned and operated by people colored that are going to have market share be successful and those of us that have white skin and have grown up with privilege have to be willing to sacrifice for that and that's where it's harder it's easy for people say. I'm all for giving these folks licenses. It's harder for us to say I'm willing to give up some of my market share for social equity and that is bath wear. That's the place we need to get to Be and an until we get to that place. We're GONNA struggle with this diversity issue and the social equity issue because that's the only way it can be done and what happened. Yeah is and we saw this academe. We saw this with affirmative action in academia on K. isn't is at people sue. And they litigated against it. And if if you start giving exclusively or preferential what quote unquote preferential treatment to people of color to try to make up the wrongs and I remember in the seventies and eighties. There is lawsuit after lawsuit and Supreme Court when all the way as big culture war over -firmative action and ultimately you know the court struck struck it all down and and and until why people are willing to make that satisfies and say you know what I'm Gonna I'm GonNa do with a little last so this immunity can do with a little more until we're willing to do that. It's GonNa be hard I think And and that's what I encourage us all to do. That's how he makes social equity work and otherwise were were setting ourselves up for something very contentious within our own community and and that's not what we want. We there's plenty of room for all of us Everything everything you see around you right now should be made out of hemp and is GONNA to be made at him or flax or plance of some kind or another car. What you how you heat your home. All these things is going to be driven by plans or dishonor the wind national thing. So you know it's it's just it's it's time give the program. Yeah and I think that's the big life. Lesson that extends well beyond cannabis that we have to Learn how to see the bigger picture and be willing to sacrifice a little so that we can all Get along better in this life in general and it's hard got digos at play and everything else and you know it's something we all struggle with. It's yeah it's something that we've gotta take seriously in cannabis n n beyond It's something that's becoming a bigger and bigger reality you know just with the pandemic and things that we're seeing People that are struggling and our going to you know tackle some of these issues food supply issues. You know helping people that are less fortunate than ourselves. People that don't have work. You know all these different things like we've got to start thinking about You know what can I do without that others? Can you know have something? It's an important thing for us to have. Yeah I think. Learn except canvas. People haven't chance to league because here because I think one of the things. Many of us who have a deep relationship with the plant have learned. Is that happiness is not something that happens by accumulation of things Happiness is something that happens with the the the the people you have around you demeaning you have in your life the work you do and how all that aligns with with your values. So that's you know whoever has the most friends at the end wins is GonNa go. You know if you WANNA put it in win loss competitive sort of analogy read that I think that's what canvas taught me And I don't need six houses. I need why I don't need ten cars. I need one and and I think that we can recalibrate in such a way that that you know it's a little more equal because otherwise it's just it's not sustainable. The way things are right now. Look what's happening all around us. It's just clearly not sustainable and and you know. Human cooperation has a tremendous Tremendous progress in an economy wealth and and and science. And just. It's all because of human cooperation. Look at any city. Skyline is because of its human cooperation and so human cooperation is how we're going to solve all of these problems that that seem intractable. It's just the compacts. We used to cooperate like capitalism. Aren't working anymore and we need new nuance and And and and you know we can't keep growing and growing and growing we're going to grow to exchange and just at some point we have to say okay. A post growth world is needed here. And Wow it's gonna be really fun because you know we don't have to worry about growth anymore. We can worry about instead of worrying about going wide we can worry about going deep you know and and know and creativity and arden music and these things have opportunity to have a real renaissance You know if if there really is enough wealth in the world to make everybody middle class. If we just figure out the Compaq's we need to cooperate to do that. Shouldn't we do that? I mean right. Yeah at like dearly up to think about should do that. We do that and if there's a way to do that sustainably might not be. You know I mean we might. We might say. Wow you know we need three billion people not eight right and so let's figure out a way to trend that to to that you know and and we have to start thinking of humanity is a global family. And and and stop with all this other. Y- these other models that that may be more nationalistic or more tribal or I mean I mean. Even the canvas community were big tribe. I mean it's it's it's we could be our own country if if I was some way to define that without landmass borders And strong central governments is spiritually. We are our own sort of trivandrum. Country Tuning. My brother talks a lot about this in canvas renaissance in the canvas creed and and you can follow my brother and learn more about this but but this this idea you know this this this is is you know. We are tens of millions hundreds of millions of us. Now that love this plant have the basically the same value system and there's tremendous power and that that we have not even begun to leverage. That's that's absolutely true and it'll be interesting. You know as people get more creative and especially you know when times get tough sometimes that drives some really interesting innovation So it's going to be really interesting to see how the cannabis industry adapts to the Times. We're in now. And how it progresses forward at a really interesting opportunity It seems like Right now that that we can grasp if we can find a way to get our wits about us then and see the vision. I think you know what you're pointing out of needing that higher vision of what are we going towards and not just our little group but as you know society in its totality what are we moving towards and how do we get there and yeah we just haven't had that Leadership I don't think from from very many people that have that level of vision. That's trying to coordinate. You know something like that I agree. It's we're still extremely nationalistic and antiballistic and It seems like Maybe more and more people are starting to clue into those dynamics But you know we still have a long way to go And my hope is that when times get tough like this and provides an opportunity to do things differently and that new standards to lead. Like you're saying the cannabis industry has this chance to lead and set examples for other industries and other other ways of doing things like you know we need to take that seriously and recognize opportunities in grab hold. Yeah we're at a real crossroads. I wrote about this in. I was grateful at Ben's Inga. A published my my piece val prop sixty four and how to fix it here in. California and and you know what's happening in California is metaphorical for what's happening with legal cannabis in Canada again and Massachusetts in lots of places We you're you're absolutely right. We're at a crossroads here and we have You know there's there's the legal industry is really on the verge of collapse in pretty serious way And and and you know we also have to get our own house in order. One of the things I talk about is here in California if we just raised somewhere between twenty five and fifty million dollars we could write our own law. We could ride our own regulations. We could ride our own taxes. We could take the local control away from the people. We could do it all we could win. It's pay to play political system out here and most places in the United States. We didn't build that system a scan of people but we have to learn how to win within it and we can Because now you know our industry however fledgling however constrained by bad public policy. We still did three billion in. California in two thousand nineteen. We only need like one tenth of one percent of that to to pay to play in the political system and win so That that we do have to get our own house in order and and certainly diversity and social equity is part of that Getting Nap House in order. And that's why we have less prisoner project were yet It's worth fighting. We used to have to fight a war to legalise cannabis that and usually when you do war metaphors. You talk about it all the battle. I lost the battle but I won the war. You know the old saying well. Now we've won the war but we're losing the battles. Yeah I mean we're losing the battles And you know and that's where we need to start winning and and we have to pivot. I spent two years in California. Doing this. With the California Cannabis Industry Association. I I'm now private citizen so I'm trying to do this a little bit more from the outside than inside. But but you want you've changed law you're now no longer political activists your political and you have to get in that system and you have to create the change in need to make legalization work better for everybody. You have to do that within the system And that's a whole nother skill set were were. I'm still just learning how to navigate all that I learned a lot in the last two years in and I talked about that. That article and But our primary you know we can't get too angry and frustrated with the politicians for getting things wrong when we don't have our own house in order And and so we're very fragmented right now. If you Google trade associations for canvas in California you'll come I mean there's got to be one hundred and fifty of them We need one really good one big one. That represents everybody that has a ten or twenty million dollar annual budget just for California or eight hundred million even back. Then we start to win. That's what the that's what the NRA and conservative groups. They don't have one hundred fifty. Nra's okay they don't have one hundred and fifty different trade groups raw. They know man they have you behind one they get behind one. They consolidate and boom. They hit your heart right in the face And and politics is competitive and contentious. That's the way the system setup and that's hard People don't like that But I think we can like you said create a new political order as an avenue industry. Order it there's no reason. Politics should be as contentious as it should be collaborative at should be collaborative. And disagreements are supposed to get us to a better solution not not terrorists to pieces. The dispose be like. Oh okay now I have to compromise. Wow that thing in the middle ended up being better than thin way out there to the right or way out there to the left anyway And when you you know I it's not it's so so it's a different thing we're doing now with with fixing all this Because we're we have to win all these little battles now that we've won the war. Yeah exactly on so and last prisoner project is one of those battles and getting people out of prison is one of those battles on And you know making sure. We don't overtax cannabis so that we can absorb the legacy market. Not Launched Pro Vision two point. Oh against it you know An and there's any number of other things. We need to do to reform legalization so that we can create a more inclusive ecosystem And you know the high tide will lift all boats and right now the politicians in the regulators who deal the details of implementing. This are scared cannabis They're just terrified of it And they're afraid someone's going to get sick or some kids going to hurt themselves or someone is GonNa get in a car accident or you know whatever it is they're just terrified of it and they don't realize how good it is and and and all the good stories don't penetrate their minds is as as much as the fearful ones. The haven't even happened yet now. They're right yeah. Better hypotheticals and the real. The good ones actually have happened. Yeah and so you know And so we have. That's that's why goes back to the stigma right And and and starts us back. In the beginning of this conversation. That's doing the cultural workin and telling our stories to make sure and Suratman creating those communities around us to validate us And those communities get bigger and bigger and bigger and everybody within those communities decides to come out of the closet to their parents like you did and their communities and they take that first step of activism and then they go through that process of every want shock and awe of that of that realization in their community and then and then they build then they transform that community from from being against canvas being poor cannabis and oftentimes taking cannabis themselves because the architecture prohibition is built on a lie and and once we can connect people with the stories of the plan helping people and some of those people end up being people they now and love boom. We've we've created change and transformation. Now it's very well said well to begin wrapping up our conversation. I'm so glad you're able to kind of tie a bow on so much of that going back to the beginning. I wanted to throw in there going back to the beginning if we can just get to the point where we've got our museums in every state seriously In Our last few minutes here well one I wanted to. I know a run over. I want to be conscious on your time. Are you still good for a few minutes here I am? I've got a few fun questions for me. That wanted to throw out. That aren't quite as heavy as some of the other stuff that we've talked about. I'm just things I wanted to pick your brain about So one thing I wanted to ask you about is you casually and you might have been joking. I don't even know but you casually made comment. I think it was on your Talk that you did for Green Flower Media. Are you talked about Running a dispensary but one point in that talk. You mentioned something about Jack Herrera dollars or like a currency and you mentioned he said my brother and I are going to work on on on this of trying to get a unique currency or something like that. Were used serious about that. Well I WANNA get Jack Hair's face on currency unthank- Gosh I. I'm not actively working on a campaign to get Jack Errors. Face the one dollar bill We're GONNA have to take that up at a later point but but there are a lot of groups doing you know digital currencies for Canada best. That's what I thought about. My brother and I are not actively working on one. We've certainly had a lot of conversations with people about that and I am probably the last of the analog generations and even understanding digital currency is been a challenge for me to. Yes I understand how it works. How it draws its value. How it draws in like okay. I'M GONNA go pay my mortgage. Can I use? I use? Joined do that on now. I can't oh well. How about groceries? How Bill now how okay. What do ideas illegal stuff off the dark land with it all right? Well something on your end. Someday you might be able to rent with well okay. All right So and it's probably just a function of where I stand on the generational curves of things I think that there should be I worry about the fragmentation. You know how many digital cannabis current race can there be and will any of them have any value if there's fifty five hundred of them and if five hundred of them all have twelve hundred members right out. Is it all work But I I love the idea of digital currency the decentralisation of it and this this idea that were hundreds of millions of tribes strong across the globe. And how do we unite the Outta? We unite that with political even financial economic power. A digital currency might be one way to do that So I'm I'm very curious about ways in which our global community can get connected so that we can leverage that community for political and economic power. I think it's time for us to have political and economic power. I think we've earned that now and deserve it. We deserve seat at that table and but but I don't know how to do it Yeah Yeah and so. We're we're still trying to figure figure that out because we're but I there's a lot of power we have so much political economic power that we're not realizing that that in some ways we're wasting Yes and it's just tremendous when you think about when you think about how divided the world is cheese. Were pretty strong in terms of our unity around this plant that the unity around this plant is very very strong. As as as Unifying PRINCIPLES ARE GETTING. We hear and weaker as just the general principle. Right now a the cannabis might be a unifying principle That's that that can work So so that's some of the more philosophical spiritual things. I was talking about right there with Jack Hair. Jack Hair was man that was possessed with divine madness in and Elliott. Yeah you know in the seventies and eighties and sixty then to to work with this plant with that war going on against it you had to be yet to be a little crazy To make the kind of sacrifices that Jack my brother myself and whole bunch of other people May You had to have that divine madness pulsing through you and and you know our our our founding fathers that are on those dollar bills the day sort of were possessed with divine as well. You know that's what I was GONNA say. It's entirely appropriate jacket. Say GotTa have that divine madness to do really great things I think sometimes so yes according to turn my brother Join Divine. Yeah being willing to kind of jump into the fire So another Kind of a one off question I have for you About your relationship with Denis Perron though that somebody that you know growing up I've studied had a lotta respect for. Unfortunately you know never had the chance to meet or anything but one thing I want to ask you. What's your favorite memory with him? Wow well when I was when I graduated college in Nineteen Eighty nine. I decided I I went to college in Southern California and I just had enough of it at that point. I decided to come to the bay area. I was lucky I was. I was studying acting in the bay area at a conservatory and I didn't know anyone in the Bay area and I was twenty one. I just graduated my older brother. Dennis rolled friends than he said. Well I know you can stay. Denis's house because the you're young and male. Yom and his house that time was a Mecca for young gay man and there were about thirty of them living there at that time. He had this big giant. He's still still his husband. John Still House the House And it's a it's a it's it's sacred ground that house in that how she'd be museum actually someday. I hope that But yeah yeah yeah right now still being used as activist and house in Living House. Oh but you know That journey is ongoing. But I'd like to see that some day and you know I was twenty one and Dennis took me in and I was straight sexually and and and that was interesting. And he my favorite memory when he first met me and he was smoking joining me join us and he looked at me and he said Well Andrew. Your brother tells me your straight. He had kind of New York accent. Yeah Yeah and you know. It's okay if you're straight Andrew in this House. It's okay if you straight as long as you don't flaunt it And and I would always blush when he said because I was surrounded by all these gay men and they were all looking at me and I would and they would all laugh and laugh and Hal and make fun of the straight straight boy in the house and we had a good time with that and That dynamic I got to be in Dennis ouster on no five or six weeks until I found my own place and and and and Dennis was a real mentor to people. He was a father. Figure THERE IN THOSE DAYS. A lot of gay men were kicked out of their homes. Grew up in place in the south. And we're ostracized than were disowned by their own families. And they didn't have anywhere to go and they were homeless and Dana's took them in and fed them and the ruling Dentists House that I loved. Was you the only one rule You could do whatever you want in Dennis. Tasked with But if you wanted to sleep there and not pay money you had to follow one rule now yet. Be there for dinner and he. He insisted on insisted that that everybody had dinner together. and that we broke bread together and and make a big meal. There's big buffet style meal Rainbow Rainbow Family China style meal. Yeah Every night at data's house and that was the rule and he insisted and he would get and he would remember if you weren't there and he would buster. I mean he would get really mad and he called you out. He like the he called out the next day and say well I? You couldn't make it to dinner last night. I guess we'll I guess we'll let them stay here even though we stray. Mamba these not flaunting it. It's okay but make sure you're here tomorrow. And so he would you know he would shame you a little bit that way and you know you bet your darn ask. She'd be there the following night. Because you didn't want to let Dennis now because he was your leader and he was provider it was a real provider news. A man of love and And I'll just never forget that I that was an act of kindness. Not only did he want to stay in his house. We got me started in the we business up there and and and and that's how I got through acting school. You know was selling we that from denison eventually. Who's able to sell him? We to and and and help with that But you know he he. I was just one of hundreds hundreds and hundreds if not thousands of people that Dennis mentored and nurture and inspired and he gets statue. Jack Jack GETS TO BE ON THE DOLLAR BILL. A dentist should get. Dennis should get a monument somewhere. He should have a monument. Yeah I like have a monument. He's gotTa Mural right now down in the Castro. I like to see him out. I like to see him have a monument. Well Yeah I remember Though you know when I was growing up in studying cannabis activism and learned about Denis Perron and his relationship with Harvey Milk and all that separate activism. I remember thinking by the time. I sort of like kind of learned what I could about the story of activism through the eighties and nineties and the connections between you know the cannabis activism communities then lgbtq plus communities and all that coming together. I remember thinking like man. Harvey Milk got a movie but like Denis Perron. Jeez like see how all these worlds interconnect and how. He's been at the center of so much of that because like he. He deserves his own movie to probe everything. Everything maxine like. I said just everything that I've heard about him for many one. That's this known has been very warm and positive That's that's very cool that you've got to spend that time with them As you were you know trying to make it out here very very cool so one last question. I have for you. So you know we talk about cannabis and and that's really great. I know you have other passions though so one thing I like to ask a lot of my guests are what are a few other things that you're especially passionate about other than cannabis that may be Folks might not necessarily know about For instance I know just from following your social media that you're into You've been doing some gardening and working outside and things Though just in general yeah what is what is Andrew De Ngelo. Passionate about besides cannabis. Well I have a lot of different things. I'm passionate about just on the lifestyle level. Gardening as you as you mentioned is one of them right now encouraging people to plant healing gardens so that you have food and even cannabis if you're legally able to So that you know as food shortages shortages happen you know. We can be a little bit more self reliant not so that's one thing I'm passionate about. I'm not very good at gardening. Pat I I. That's Okay I love doing it. It makes me feel really good. It's part that internal work Being in the garden and outside is There's something healing about it. So I'll like to cook Mom taught us about cooking so I love to cook food and and when you can grow food and then cook it asked. It's really great so That's and of course I love. Going theater are still experiencing plays Hopefully we'll all get to do that again soon. passionate about the grateful dead and And you know all the various offshoots therein in that whole culture is something I grew up in an and and and the grateful dead tours were where the counterculture sort of one of the grounding forces of accountable. Yeah alive. Yeah and you know. I haven't done as much pure travel for pleasures. I would like to in my life because they cannabis mission has just been so demanding. But I would like to do more than I'm passionate about going places. I haven't been before meeting people I have met before. Everywhere on earth. There's cannabis and cannabis people and I love going to I got to go to Mexico steed last year. Right Round You know Halloween and and the day of dead celebrations in And I got to meet all these great cannabis growers in Hash makers and activists and it was just such. Oh I opening experience to be able to meet other cannabis tribe members and other countries speaking other languages but having so much in common with them. So that's probably the thing I'm most passionate about right now. We've mentioned a Spain minute ago. I went over there to to experience. Some of that Passionate pursuit of international candidates people in cannabis scenes And united just got a little taste of it before the pandemic hit. But you know these associations non profit associations that are happening in Spain are really exciting. They're gray community centers the weed and the Hashes topnotch in there and they're very social places. People are in there. Working People in there drinking coffee and tea and A little bit different than a dispensary per se but but has aspects that are similar to a dispensary in and. I was really fun to be in another country so far away to experienced that level of freedom and commerce and culture. So I think that's the thing I'm most passionate about now. We can't do. We're we're learning how to do that. Virtually and I think that We may have to learn how to do that. Virtually more and more In the coming months a year or two But it's it's it's it's it's a really tremendous thing to be able to meet canvas people from all over the world and we we have different backgrounds. Different Religions Different Cultures. We different kinds of food. But we have very similar values in spiritual orientations around cannabis. So I've been fascinated by that because You know I for a long time. We didn't know if if our message was gonNA spread as wide as it has And you know I. I experienced that phenomenon going to Amsterdam back in the nineties and just experiencing that Cannabis Freedom Amsterdam off. What could be possible? And now you know the the associations in Spain are doing it and I think we'll get to see a lot an explosion of that kind of activity globally in the coming years and decades. It's going to be a lot of fun to you now. It's party connecting that whole tribe together now and and and we'll we'll be able to visit each other's consumption lounges and dispensaries and yeah and and farms in all be legal out in the open in. We'll be able to share information and knowledge And and then we'll be able to share our customs in our food and our religions are things that that made a special to the place. We were from I- discovering all those awkward being in Spain and not knowing the language it makes me feel bad but at but I also Enjoy the poetry and the the beauty of the sound of of of Spanish in Spain It sounds different than the Spanish being spoken. Mexico for instance That I'm more used to and it's fine to be exposed to these different things. It's it's it's it's it's it's it's part of of learning how diverse humanity is and and gaining respect for for that and and and so. I think that's the thing I'm most about right now. Is is is is connecting with the international canvas community. Yeah Yeah me too hoping I'm able to. I guess once things settle down and get to whatever. The new normal is Be Able to to get out. I mean there's there's great research come out of Spain. I've always wanted to check out that area. I'm connected to Israel's huge and I'm connected to a group that a nonprofit research group that is basically like Slovenia Austria several of those countries. That have kind of come together and are trying to share information and get Funded research going and everything. So have a lot of motivation to try to get out and explore. Look forward to when the unity comes because there's yeah there's so much to learn one of my favorite interviews I've done is with the guy that travels around Asia electing landrace and abilities and in the process he gets to you know meet with people from all sorts of different cultures. That are all connected around cannabis. Then he said something very similar to something. You said that no matter where he goes. There's always a canvas community that he can connect to even if he doesn't know the language and he's totally disconnected from their customs and everything. You can still connect with one another over the plant and that's just been. It's an incredible thing for me to watch him. Do this work that. He's traveling to Afghanistan and all over India and Thailand and Laos. All these places. What a great job right. Yeah and doing it at a lot of risk too. I might add but that experience of connecting with these other cultures and communities. It goes back around once again to what we're talking about at the beginning of recognizing that when it comes to our experience with cannabis there are people all over the world with different experiences that we can learn from and and And we can all grow together by being these different perspective than and getting connected so Yeah I think that's really great. Yeah the magic of the plan. You know it's just it's a it's a magical magical plant and it speaks to us and we here and you know in that bats what we share. And that's what's so magic. I mean it's just a plant right but but breaking transcend it can transcend so much of the boundaries. Human beings put it up between themselves. And what could be more important than transcending those boundaries? Right now so. My brother talks a lot about that. Also In his talks But it's it's it's it never ceases to amaze me the magic of the plant in the intelligence of the plant Every day I learn something new about likewise from and that's one of the great things of being able to talk to people like yourself on this podcast and everything having these conversations. There's never a conversation. I have where I don't learn something new or gain some additional perspective And it's it's exciting And you know at this point. We can start wrapping things up. I WanNa make sure you know. We've mentioned a lot of different things that you're involved in between Arbor side. Which right now. You're an adviser to size that right. They're still involved with operations there. And then and then you've got the last prisoner project and other things going on so at this point. I'm just GonNa Kinda give you the platform and please let listeners know any and everything you want them to know as far as projects you're working on where they can learn more whatever you want to get out into the world even musings. Whatever you feel is important. You HAVE THE PLATFORM. Well thank you. We've covered so much territory. I will say that you have a website. Andrew de Ngelo DOT COM. You can keep up with some of my thought leadership there you can also inquire to work with me or collaborate with me I advise and consult all over. The industry I do some of that. Work Pro Bono particularly persona folks in and others And so I guess I I should let folks now that I'm available to do that now. I don't run the day to day of harborside and and but I am an advisor to harborside and contractor with them big shareholder of course in and just You know still trying to make harborside a company more Greater than it was the day before Is Is it's it's a it's it's our legacy so something I care a lot about instill work on quite a bit And you know I some creative projects some storytelling projects. It's a little premature to talk about them. Right now but Hopefully people keep an eye out for some things with my name on it on that level Things are a little bit on pause in terms of how Roman television production but I hope to get some of those going because I like. I mentioned in the beginning the cultural I've done a lot of can't I can't as commerce in my life and and I love doing cannabis commerce. There's just nothing. There's no greater feeling than selling somebody some week. There really isn't there's that it's not a commercial exchange for me. It's a cultural human exchange And it it thrills me to this day did the very first time. I did it when teen thrills me today? But the culture work is what speaking to more and more because an telling the stories And making it about. I want to rebrand cannabis in pop culture And and I want I want the images and the people that that you think of when you think of canvas to change a little bit and get a little bit more diverse right now and More mainstream right now and And and I want us to also preserve our own unique Called Culture whether that be Hippie Culture Cheech and Chong or snoop and gangster rap culture and Rainbow Culture and REGGAE ROC- culture or all the different tribes within our tribe. I think it's important that we keep those traditions going to and and and and between all of that will create a really beautiful tapestry that will grow in live on unchain every day And and and and and we'll see you know our value system that we've taken from the plant other people take from the plant and will contribute to the culture and and and the renaissance will be on And Future generations will be able to look back at what we're doing right now and feel proud that that their ancestors did took the risk in made the sacrifices so that they could enjoy a cannabis economy. Yeah now very well put I keep thinking about my daughter when she gets older and tell her the stories you know of how far things have come even just in my lifetime. What I've experienced in the prohibition that I've experienced promise you know the changes the evolution and you know in only match and where it's going to be you know when she's in her late teens and starting to wrap remind around all of that You know despite how frustrating sometimes it gets when things don't evolve the way we'd like to see them don't you know. Sometimes it feels like take two steps forward steps back sometimes The ball is still always moving in the bill. Always EVOLVING. And it's moving into a better position than yeah. I think you know what we've talked about. Today is really about being more mindful of that evolution and our contributions in how we drive that evolution. So it's nice to see people like yourself and your brother that are using part of harbour sides deal was setting a new standard and trying to present a new image and new story a new way of thinking about cannabis users and cannabis commerce. And all these sort of things and Everything that we've talked about about stigma you know. That's what it's all about is recognizing that all of us players in this dance that we're in that we have this opportunity to set a new standard that new examples and you know as far as convincing people that don't necessarily agree that some of the best things you can do. Give them a new framework for thinking about this topic altogether and new images that come to their mind. When they think about a canvas user or a cannabis company And you know. That's that's how that change will happen so I appreciate the work you're doing. I appreciate you know the the activism and you know the sort of grand vision that you and your brother are trying to really You know realize and make happen here. It's it's inspiring like I said it's inspired me since I was a teenager and now here I am in my thirties and you know having the chance to connect with everything. It's it's honestly a little low mind blowing how this whole you know your involvement in the candidates space. You never know where it's going to take you and and what's going to happen next but I appreciate all of your work. I really appreciate you being willing to take the time today to chat with me for as long as we have It's been grade. There's a million other things we chat about I didn't even get into talking about Steep Hill and how harbourside was the first dispensary to get into testing. You think as a scientist. That's something that I would have gotten into but so much other. I think really important things talk about that. We'll find another time some time to get into into that but Just want to throw that nugget out there. That Harper side was the first dispensary to do lab testing to so as far as setting standards. You guys have done a lot of great work so thank you for that. Well it was great to be with you today. Jason and we'll see you next time. Yeah sounds great. 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54 | Alexis Mora, Harborside
"Have. You been to the dispensary lately or have you ever been to a dispensary at all native Covid, more more retail is moving online. People are letting their fingers, do the walking on their keyboards even when it comes to cannabis which all choices now available can become overwhelming. If you're lucky though you have access to a good dispensary by most accounts counselors, not a better dispensary than harbourside. Originally in Oakland, our guest today is Alexis Mora marketing director for harborside dispensaries, which now has four brick and mortar outlets in a robust online presence. We talk about the experiential nature of this business. What makes a great dispensary how to prepare and get the most? Most out of your visit to the dispensary in what the dispensary of tomorrow looks like this podcast, my website Cana boom with K. dot com in my weekly newsletter five boom. Friday are all focused on how Canada C can help you achieve better wellness in how to find products that are safe and effective. You can subscribe at Apple podcasts, stitcher, spotify Google, podcasts, other favorite podcasts, player in. If you enjoy the show, please leave a review and help us expand our reach in here now is Alexis Mora of harbourside cannabis is booming and Kaboom is on it. Welcome to the Cannibal podcast. We interview experts on the changing story of humans health and. Through. SAN, Diego years your host. Tom Stacey. Hey we're back with Canada boom podcast. This week, we have Alexis Mara from. Up in Oakland Hi Alexis, how you doing and doing well Tom? How are you really great work on a way through the pandemic and something I've been working on for a while is getting someone from a dispensary on to talk about the experience for maybe first time users or for people have been there and finally got you, which is great because Harbourside, I consider it one of the preeminent dispensaries in the country. Thank you. Yeah. It's Harborside has been around for a really long time. We're one of the oldest dispensaries in California and in the United States generally so We come with a lot of historical knowledge. So folks. Have really kind of come to know when and love Harbourside as an oakland a staple for a really long time and we've since then expanded footprint across California. So we're able to kind of, I. Reach folks from all across the state. So where are your other locations? Yes. So we have one in San, Leandro, that is our newest location really really beautiful dispensary. We also have a location in San Jose, as well as the first southern California drive-thru in desert hot springs, which is a really exciting with that license. It's a super cool experience. If you're ever down there, highly recommend checking it out. Noise Steve, de Ngelo, his brother Andrew. The original or a dispensary in two, thousand six. So, along the way, you guys have had some time to perfect the model and when I look at your website, I'm really impressed with sort of the the community vibe. You guys are really involved in the community quite a bit. Yeah. I think you know with with Stephen Andrew kind of being at the helm of it. They are really fantastic folks. They've been activists heavily involved in cannabis for a very long time, and so with that harborside has always carried the spirit of community and really. Basically, the premise of bringing cannabis to the community and cannabis to all. And at its heart, it really just kind of started with cannabis being kind of positioned as you know, medicine for the communities in which we serve. and. It was this kind of access point for people to get their medicine in their healing products. With that, you know we've done a lot of work in have tried to keep the dispensary focused on the people and which were serving in. So we've built a really strong relationship with the Oakland community itself. And have since two, thousand, six, obviously come a long way. From, getting from this medical model into now adult use. And kind of servicing a new, almost a new generation of cannabis. At harborside. So it's been a really interesting experience kind of seeing that that space a shift in kind of grow. With still kind of keeping our community at heart. So you know recently to with with everything happening with Kobe. There was this kind of like action of cable. What can we do locally outside of a lot of the community initiatives were already doing? We partner obviously with the last prisoner project. That's always been something that's near and dear to our hearts. But specifically, you know what could our response be for? Folks. That are struggling right now due to the pandemic. And we've actually donated over a thousand dollars to. Our COVID Nineteen Oakland Support Relief Fund which we've been partnering with the Mayor of Oakland for that. I'm to help provide testing for our local community because again you know a lot of the folks that we serve. Our high risk right now, at this point, they are struggling to kind of get their medicine, and so we're really just trying to figure out what we can do to help support. Everyone. We saw in this early on in the pandemic where dispensaries were designated as essential in from what you're telling me. It really is it's a wellness resource for people who really rely on it. Yeah. That was a really actually that was a really big win for us and I think just people in cannabis in California that it was deemed an essential service a particularly now again, through the Lens of like the the adult use space. So With. That being said, it was also like, okay. Well, how do we continue providing these essential services to our community given all of these barriers given that some of the people that we serve which? For us, we see a lot of veterans and we see a lot of seniors come through harbourside, which is kind of unique in the space. So it was a challenge for us to figure out how to kind of deliver their medicine in a way that was also safe and in a way that we could also help support them due to you know other things like you know folks being out of work or dealing with financial crises or other things like that. So it was a really big thing for I. Think all of us in the space, but just Kinda reiterates wear harbourside really came from from the beginning. You've got to drive through A. Do you have like curbside service at your other outlets we do. Yeah. So desert hot springs because we have the drive through does not have the curbside pickup, the rest of the dispensaries do, and so that has been super interesting. Also You know if you're somebody that has been to a dispensary or harbourside location prior to Covid your experience today is very different. Know Oakland harborside has always had lines out of the door Try that with six feet of social distancing. Makes it that it is very looks and feels very different than it did before. So we've seen an increase in kind of our delivery services that makes a ton of sense. Folk staying home people are just kind of ordering more generally. But if it's something that you know you still want the experience of kind of going in. You can certainly do curbside pickup as well. and that is actually outpaced our in store traffic that we traditionally see. Oakland in particular is always very busy. We typically have lines even Monday, mornings. and. So it's it's definitely changed the experience when you're going in there. So it sounds like you guys are both successful as a brick and mortar outlet, and you've kind of segue to an ECOMMERCE model as well. Yeah. Actually. I I just did a panel without week talking about that, which was like, how do you do marketing and how do you operate in this quote unquote, Post. Pandemic world. Although I I i. think we're still kind of in this pandemic world. I. Think you know the retail landscape. IS JUST GONNA. It's GonNa? Feel different for a lot of folks I think. Throughout twenty twenty, but also bleeding into twenty twenty, one next year. And, that has been a really big focus for us. You know e commerce, four candidates and cannabis in general. I would say. Just because of the newness of our industry, the challenges of compliance and regulations and. For us in particular having multiple locations having a consistent experience across the board, those are all challenges that we face and so when covert hit it was like, okay. Well, you know folks aren't coming into our brick and mortars anymore. How how are we still going to give them information Particularly when you know a lot of the bread and butter is the experience when you're coming into a dispensary, you're taking a look. Look at the products you're reading the labels. You're trying to understand what the brand represents or you're talking to consultant so that part and fortunately gets lost a little bit with ECOMMERCE, and so it was like you know, how do we create this platform that's going to be similar even though we have different laws to kind of work around to a traditional or other industries So that is actually been on my plate. Joined harbourside the beginning of this year. You know that was one of the biggest things you know when Cova hit, which was all right. We have to have this be something that is kind of a focus for us, make it a seamless experience. Make it so that Folks are also aware of. Hey. You know this brand is is on promotion. This is what makes it special. But also how do we serve recommendations and products to people that they're actually looking for so? You know these are conversations were also having with brands, like if I. Harbor site is getting into August is is national wellness months. So we're doing a big feature and kind of curated our selection more towards wellness products So how do we kind of create this contextual information or experience for people coming onto our website? You know I wanNA know more about tinctures, how do they work? I want to understand more about sibling and so it's a two part of making sure that those products are there front an center easily accessible your. Online processes is relatively painless but how do I also learn about these products and these brands in an authentic way, and also in a way that fits in my life because. That's the other beautiful thing about cannabis right now, which is form factors. There's so many different. So many different things in cannabis. It's really cool. It's like you know now we have lingual edibles, you have microdosing. You have all of these different things almost set a fault to where there's too much too many options that are out there, and so education has been a really big thing for us and is something that we're GonNa continue to workshop come out with a additional content on, hey, we have these wellness products. Here's how you can use it. You know you're cooking with cannabis. Here's a cooking class with cannabis. So you can understand how to apply these things in your day-today. Right. Notice on your site I was poking around and there's a quick start guide that is really nice. Is kind of an extended Faq, which is really useful for somebody WHO's coming in the first time, and when we work in this industry, we forget that there's medicinally approved in thirty, three, thirty, four states, and for adult use in twelve states. So there's a lot of people on the. The country's still don't have an experience, but may as their state migrate sensitive legal status and might be intimidated, might not know exactly what to do. As you mentioned, there's a lot of complexity, it can become overwhelming. So what do you tell somebody particularly a senior citizen that WHO's coming in for the first time? Do you have any kind of a few basic tips for these people? Those are actually my favorite people to talk to. I think I think it's really at its core I. Think about listening to what they need and what they're looking for. So most folks particularly that are new or they're older, you know the candidates have today is not the cannabis that they may have been spoken in the seventies. It's it's far more potent. There's a lot of other things that are. Are Out there, and so I think one is is almost normalizing it and saying and creating a safe space. That's like it's. It's okay. You know what? I mean to talk about this What what are you looking for in a product? What are you looking to kind of achieve One of the things that we see a lot of times? And in generally, this is something that we see across the board is you know I need cannabis for sleep or I have. You know chronic pain or I have anxiety Zaidi, or I, have all these different things from that point. We really just kind of walk our customers through and say, all right. Great. So you're looking for something for, let's say pain relief. You're looking for something for sleep. What are kind of the the modes that you are comfortable with I e. Are you are you more comfortable with a topical? Would you like something that can be directly applied to this area that has inflammation or is something that you want to incorporate with your daily pill regimen and you WanNa do a tincture or something like that? So. Understanding form factor The reason why they're looking to cannabis is important. And then you're kind of just really taking it from there. a lot of times in I. Think this is still true to this day. It's like word of mouth is big. So we get somebody that's new often will say, Hey, you know they might even bring in the product. Hey, my friend gave me this gummy and I really liked it, but I'm open to exploring different things. So, then take that one step further. Y- for ME I. Use Cannabis as something that you know for multiple things in my life. But oftentimes you know I'm on the go and things like that. So trying to understand to how much they want to get this kind of integrated in their day to day or. Is this your glass of wine at the end of the night? Are you even using it for any sort of health purpose? So I always I always think in in. This is also what our consultants are really fantastic at listening to what they need and providing recommendations from that. I will say with harbourside just having the the legacy that we do One of the things that makes I think our location really special is that we have that legacy, but we also have really really in-depth product knowledge. Our entire portfolio, there's a pretty. Pretty, technical process in terms of the brands and the types of brands that were bringing and putting on our shelves so that we ensure they've all been kind of vetted and they're also curated for You know the folks that are coming to our door. So we always have a rotating selection. We always have consultants that are very up to speed on the latest in a not only the brands that we carry, but also just generally what's happening in cannabis. And I think that's going to be very important also as we're learning more about cannabis in know. Before it used to be. We would get folks saying, Hey, you know I heard indika means into couch. We Now We. Now know that, hey, it may not be as simple as that. There are tripping profiles. There are cannabinoid profiles are different things you know CBS is. I think people are still on the CBD kick now. But now what cycle K will, what's what's the new with THC A and CBN and what do those mean for us? So it's a really cool process for for all of us really in this space of learning but also innovating to. Harbor site is vertically integrated. We have our own in house brands, and so part of this in terms of you know talking to folks also learning about. An in creating products for people that are like, Hey, I would love this. I don't see this in the industry. Can you make this happen and so it's really just I think an exciting time for us and we love talking to our customers there. There are core You know we definitely here to to serve them and give them the best recommendations that we can move. For someone WHO's coming in the first time, it might do them some good to Kinda. Pre think a little bit about, Hey, what's my purpose? What kind of relief am I looking for and and as you said, what might mode be income prepared to be delighted because there's going to be a lot of options? Yeah. A lot of options. I think people really realize like I. We say, we're like, Hey, you know. Are you interested in flour and they're like, what's that like? It's I mean the thing that you're probably most familiar with that. You see all the time. It's what you maybe would referred to sounds like weed or whatever. Not, even knowing all the different form factors that are available, there's you know patches and and all of these different things so. You definitely think about what you would like if you have something specific in mind, but if not and coming in open minded, that's kind of where the fun begins you can come in. Depending on what location you go to you know will reference Oakland. It's an open cell model, so you come in. Check in with our security, you grab your basket and you basically peruse around. You can grab products. You See. What you would like on your own and different people feel comfortable with different things. Some people want Kinda, come in, see what's out there. Ask questions if needed. Other. People would like a consultant to just kind of walk them through, give them a lay of the land But yeah, I would say. Come with an open mind You know have a couple of things if there are specific ailments that you want to focus on, absolutely, Let our consultants, no but I do know that you're in good hands. Consultants will listen to you the things that you want the very up to date on all the products that we carry. And that's kind of where the fun begins. So notice you, you don't refer to them as bud. Tenders. Their consultants in that sense. I mean, bartenders are sometimes get a bad rap. How do you train your consultants is a lot of complexity to the different adenoids. There's many different forms to take this in. So that's a lot of knowledge they need to be able to relate to the customers as they come in definitely. Yes. So generally for us, we'll have kind of quarterly trainings that's just in general overview on hey. What's what's the latest and greatest that's happening right now in the industry you know, obviously, we have folks get onboard. So we'll have kind of like a Kano one. Oh, one crash course if they do not have the experience although most folks that we hired do. And most folks that we hire actually are very passionate or have a history in growing their own cannabis or You know some other passion project within the cannabis space. So, we'll have kind of these these quarterly trainings on boardings, just kind of going through everything that we know about cannabis knowledge today The other part is that our brand partners are actually really great allies in the space It is beneficial I think for all brands and most folks in cannabis I would say the main thing that we're really trying to get across is that education component. Because, it can be very easy to get lost in all the noise that's out there. You have these buzzwords like CB. CVS on all of us interpretations all that Kinda stuff live resins shatter like there's so many different things that are out there. So we talked to we kind of invite the brands to come through and also do trainings about a their product. What makes their process unique proprietary? Also. holistically. You know what? What does this kind of benefit? How does this work? So, there's kind of on a high level general, cannabis. Trainings that will have and then on more of a specific brand, specific level will go ahead and do the staff trainings or clinics. I'd say we typically have those. You know once a week if not once every two weeks. So our staff is is pretty much always on the no, on a weekly basis. I'm getting a picture of almost like trader Joe's where you come in with your basket. There might be a brand representative there with samples, I. Don't know there's a wide variety of inventory and then there's people to help you make your choices. Yeah, and actually, so you know in Oakland? It's men twenty twenty s been such a whirlwind so. You. Know it's funny that you mentioned the samples part. So Pre adul- US, we used to be able to do that. We used to be able to say, Hey, you're coming in The best way in my opinion for for folks is really to try a product, try a product, see what you like base it off of that We are unfortunately not able to do that. In the adult use space We can do promos will have a brand ambassador as an example, that's there. Or. That was the case Preko. That would give you kind of the lay of the land and let you know answer your questions regarding that particular product, and then maybe say, Hey, if you purchase this, you get this for a penny. Since then we had a tasting room actually in Oakland. I consider Oakland, our flagship I'm. So we had a tasting room which is really great because you know the beginning of the year, you would have folks basically come in and you could do flights of DABS. which is super cool. I think from an industry perspective I like I like canvas, very similar to the wine or the craft beer industry. It's like Tannin's or to wine as trappings are to candidates as hops are to craft beer and sometimes some of the best way to get that education out there in a really practical form is to try it. So we had a tasting room in which you can do flights of. DABS or you could. Take ahead of this flower sample quote unquote, and then go out on the floor and then and pick it up yourself. Now, with Covid, we cannot have any sort of on site consumption, so that space is actually going to be converted into a cannabis concierge. which is really exciting. This is something we are rolling out. Over the next month or so with kind of this wellness initiative that we're doing But it's exactly for those folks that need a little bit of hand holding on, you can basically come in. It can either be first-come-first-served basis or you can reserve a slot almost like the genius bar at Apple. Come in, and you say Hey I want to talk to you and I also want to get or be surrounded by a curated selection of products that likely as a first time customer you would be drawn to or it's a good starting off point for you. And so we're starting this whole concierge service where you're gonNA have someone dedicated to basically having consultations with you. Walk you through products had a have a more in depth? Not Interview Process, but really understanding of what they would like, and then we'll almost personal shop for you. Said kind of what we're repurposing with that space. However, you can still come in, grab your basket peruse around the shelves And really kind of figure out what what you want best hop in line and then go ahead and check out. that. Sounds really cool. It brings to mind. One of my guests was a chemist and she was kind of musing that eventually, there will be an endo can have an apologist on duty at the dispensary and it was the first time. I'd ever heard that word, it's a big one, essentially the idea of sort of a pharmacist who understands your genetics and maybe the genetics of the plant itself and how those two are going to match up, which is a big tall order, but do you see it going in that direction? that. would be ideally, yes. That would be fantastic. I can say the struggle now. Particularly as a marketer in the space to is there so many wonderful applications for Canada's we know this? What we legally can say or make claims about cannabis is very gray area. So assuming that we are able to make these claims and and really what that's going to take I think is research i. mean if if there's more research that we refer to and say, Hey. You know. In this study, we found that you know X. amount of people did get You know better a better night's sleep or it helped with insomnia, we can refer to that. I certainly think that's the direction we're headed. I know that you know historically, there have been times where harbourside or other brands have had like a nurse practitioner or something help support with these. But. Really. What has to happen I think I is for us to have kind of concrete information on what we legally can say about cannabis. I saw actually I was excited for a little bit because Kaiser had sent out A. An article or blog post actually talking about? CBD. which I was like well. This could be really big. You know if it's something. That's positive. And it's still it's still frustrating to kind of see. A lot of snow that CBD is incredibly beneficial. There's kind of the downside of it where there's so much. CBD, that's out there. Not all CBD's created equally and you know there's that whole lake make oil stigma. Unfortunately, that's around it. But, yes. I ultimately would love that to be a thing that we have. Because that's essentially what we're. We're talking with these people about particularly for people that are really using it for. Medical reasons I mean I you my introduction to the cannabis face actually was you know my partner? At the time had to, or he has Toronto Syndrome and it was one of the only things that helped us texts, it took him. I mean such a long time to find CBD that I really wish that you know it was something that he would have found out years ago because it would have been years of relief that he would have been able to have So you know with kind of keeping cannabis as wellness cannabis as a medicine at heart. Neo. Let's put forth the research. That's there for us to be able to kind of make those claims and most certainly, they're going to be people that are going to want to talk to people like that, Roy. You're running an operation that's not like a gap or something. You know people don't come in and look for things basically solely on their taste I mean, it's more of a functional thing and a lot of times they need guidance. So you guys give to him. So that's great. Have you noticed any trends during the pandemic are people consuming more edibles? Are they doing more vapes or is there anything emerging? I mean. So I think I definitely will say edibles. So. There was this whole thing in in the industry people refer to it as Veith Gate. Voting Go. You know a year ago? So since then you vaping has kind of gotten a bad name. From that with Cova and it being one of those things where it's like, you don't WanNa cough in, you know what? I mean. You don't really want to maybe a smoke or kind of injustice eat or smoke rather a combustible. That will maybe irritate the lungs. So from anything that's been combustible, we have seen kind of a little bit of a pivot away from the cartridges away from flower into kind of edibles and topical. So that has been a trend that we've been seen. However, I still think that folks. You, know there are just some preferred methods that people really have that they're going to kind of stick to. You, know from a consumer perspective. We've actually seen a lot of people increase. Their kind of candidates consumption during Cova D- or during the quarantine I would say. Because I, think people are spending more time at home or or what have you? So, folks are definitely stocking up on on their cannabis. But yeah, we have seen kind of shift away a little bit from any of the combustibles will and I think objectively, I would surmise there's more anxiety maybe right now in in more insomnia I know in my case I, do I have increased my edible consumption just before I, go to bed and that helps me sleep and maybe that's going around I it. Yeah, I, mean, it is real. It's enough. I. Think. Just generally as a society right now, there's just more more stress. There's a lot. There's a lot of stuff that's going on. In the world right now, and so you know I think you know folks meeting at four kind of sleep. Honestly. A lot of folks meaning it for anxiety or just like I it is a medicine I talked to a lot of people there like it is. You know had I not had cannabis I. Don't know how I would get through some of the things that I that I get through. And so I think more than ever were really trying to kind of be that partner for people because it is something where. You know they're like hey. I may have not consumed as much before when I was going out and about doing this stuff. But just you know even like the stresses of like people staying at home and also having to do their job and then take care of their kids and do all this stuff and. So it's it's definitely I think even from like a life's lifestyle perspective, folks are trying to figure out like how do I kind of integrate this more into my life in a day to day thing. You know. So as it's it's in like a a healthy and kind of responsible way for them. So I can see that. Yeah, I mean people have less of a social life. You can only take so much of zoom, but maybe they're self medicating a little more than there's a harm reduction aspect to that too. For a lot of people for many years, maybe I'll call was to go to relaxant. That's not always healthy. Cannabis is definitely less harmful. That might be part of the trend as well. Yeah. Definitely. I mean, I. can say that we had a lot of people. Kind of approach harbourside too because you know we were folks were just seeing generally cannabis sales during Cova just took off i. mean when Kovin Hit, we hit higher sales during that week than any for twenty that we had ever seen. So you know folks are definitely gravitating towards that and there were a lot of articles that that were out as well saying that. Alcohol consumption certainly increased You know given the choice of the two end just for me. Personally, cannabis is definitely the way to go because it doesn't necessarily have all of the negative effects that you you could get if you're over consuming of alcohol. But you know the other interesting thing too is like for a lot of creatives or a lot of people that are working from home like. Cannabis is, is certainly something that can help with. You know sleep and things like that. But also it's it can be a really great like stimulant for creatives. Some of the. It's it's super interesting talking to. Cannabis consumers because they're really from all walks of life. I mean. You have CEO's to stay at home moms you all of these different people that are kind of using it and leveraging it in a way that makes sense for them dependent on what they use it for. So I've talked to a lot of folks that are actually It's really great I'm home maybe have my edible and that kind of sparks a lot of like my creative process is too. So like if you're one of the people that are listening in your, you know smoking and doing something really creative, you're in really good company there. So. Yeah. It's kind of slowed things down I. Think for a lot of folks in the applications and. Products. Like it's you know. When in twenty, twenty cove Ed. Is the time to check it out. As, we evolve and people do learn more about this. In all the options they have available to them. What's your vision? How do you see the future unfolding? It could ask you what does the dispensary look like in three to five years or where do you think we're going? Yeah so I think. I think overall. With kind of brick and mortars, what we're really seeing, and this is not even really specific cannabis. I think it's like across across the board where it needs to be a experiential like there has to be a certain draw or a benefit to going in a store versus ordering things online. So from the brick and mortar perspective. We are trying to basically create a space that is similar to your other retailers. I think harborside has done a really great job there certainly more that we can do there which is why were building a cannabis concierge service why we're creating kind of these pop up quarterly sections that are you know focused for this quarter on wellness We actually started off with a female founders space. I think that what you'll likely see hopefully as a little bit more diversity kind of in in some of these cannabis retailers as well and so that experience I think is going to be important. You're seeing kind of pop up stores or stores within stores within these dispensaries. So I think that process will be more fine tuned, and again, we're trying to get that alignment with almost like your traditional retail experience which depending on what's dispensary you've been to before like. We got so many people that harborside are like, Whoa, like I can't even believe that this is what a dispensary looks like compared to. Maybe what a dispensary I went to a couple of years before look like or even earlier that year. So having kind of more. Engaging things in store like you know these pop ups or like these kind of curated areas and having no customer service. At its core. Really. Is is what's going to kind of differentiate. The dispensary kind of the future. You know on the flip side though. From a business perspective, I. Think Really What we're going to see and what kind of expedited this is online shopping I mean. Most, folks are staying at home. They're ordering their stuff online, they're on instagram and shopping through their social media platforms. That is a huge hurdle for candidates. It has been for for a while but now I think again with this, that kind of fast-track, this whole idea of ecommerce and what that looks like. In order to kind of get it a similar to a another. Industry that is not as heavily regulated. So. I, think there's GonNa be a lot more as it relates to the digital space. And just trying to Kinda get. All the processes really aligned like It's like basic things I. Think Sometimes, we take for granted especially if you're a new consumer coming into cannabis face like. At some point, it would be really great to have a credit card processing. I think now it's. It's great that sides able to do. We can accept debit cards instead of just being a cash only business which we were for a very long time. We, would hope to get accurate pricing once the taxes are so a fluctuating and things like that. But Yeah I. Think. I. Think you know in terms of dispensaries, the future I'd also check out our latest dispensary in San. Leandro. It is gorgeous. You know, and I think from an aesthetic perspective as well. You know we want to create an environment that is also not stigmatize we WANNA to have quality products. We wanted to be in a beautiful space. We want our our consultants to be very knowledgeable about what they do. and. So all in all I. Think is also a push to remove that negative stigma about what people think a cannabis dispensary is and make it a safe place for folks to kind of shop without feeling, you know any sort of stigma or any sort of guilt that's affiliated with that. That's a good way to put it in for a lot of dispensaries. The the one I go to about five hundred square feet. Once you get in there and it still has sort of the legacy feel of sort of an underground operation almost. Got, you. Talk about something that looks like an apple store in the genius bar and you guys already are the dispensary of the future. Maybe some people will never go to a dispensary, they'll shop online, but for those who want to go and who might not be a place where there is a luxurious state of the art facility like harbourside presents DMV suggestions for them in terms of kind of pushing their dispensary to step it up a little. Yeah, I mean I. Think you know I think it's Consumers really vote and have a lot of buying power with their dollar. You know I would say particularly for. US. Lake with customer experience being out our core like communicate that to to your dispensary on Hey. More products that you want them to carry. If there are best practices or anything like that, that feedback is going to be wildly important You know it's it's interesting. This idea of. You. Know Brand? Loyalty dispensary. Loyalty. You don't always see a lot of brand loyalty in the space. However, you do see a little bit of dispensary loyalty and that could be for various different reasons. It's your local dispensary. That's when you WANNA go to. It used to be before I, think where? There were there were a ton more dispensaries prior to kind of adult use. To where people were almost inundated and would go to the suspensory that had the best deal I'm. So you saw a lot of folks that were really deal oriented. But yet now, it's like, Hey, I have. Trust report with the suspensory I, know the products that they're carrying, and that's also really important as well. that they're tested that they're safe. That they are what they claim to be. So I, think at this point. A license legal. Versus. Not You know that's just one thing I would recommend go to your license dispensary where you know the products that you come that you're buying are actually safe and tested. And Yeah, just kind of give that feedback to. Whatever dispensary that you're going to so that they can kind of. Improve Your experience going forward. Right. Well, that's a good point. California the. The legacy markets still does a lot of business because the taxes are so high. So you have people saying, well, I'm going to get more from my money on the street, but you don't have standards. You don't know if that product has been tested if it has any pesticides or solvent residue or or anything else. So. If, you're concerned about the safety and efficacy of the product you're putting in your body, and you should be concerned about that. Then you're going to show up at the dispensary online or in person. I mean, and even with that too like if you're a consumer, that's very a very persnickety about the test results and things like that. They are actually a lot of brands that will kind of show their co as their test results so that you know you know what's my? Breakdown, what are what's my chirping breakdown? If the test for that Did it test positive or negative for this that and the other microbials all that fun stuff. So, there is a certain amount of just consumer safety I think that you get. And you know obviously being a licensed dispensary, there's a lot of. There's a lot of things that we have to make sure that we're checking from compliance and regulatory perspective to ensure that what we're delivering is truly what it is. And you know being represented in a safe way. So, we want you to feel good about the products that you're purchasing. We stand by those products. And so from. An experience perspective? If it's not working for your whatever we will go ahead and and remedy that suggests that the products. And not the other Alexis. What have we not covered that we should. You know honestly. I. Think I think right now. It's. It's really Continue to kind of support You know your your dispensaries, what? I'm hoping in just from my perspective Curious to Kinda, see to like what cannabis events look like going forward because you know there was. You know last year. Can't canvas community is just really tied closely together, and so we started becoming more mainstream in that kind of respect with things like outside lands and. This. Idea of Kennedy Tourism and all of these really fun things that cove it kind of put to bed. So looking ahead for these things, you know the experience kind of in brick and mortar the digital experiences certainly going to be one thing, but I am looking forward to kind of next year. Once were able to do more events. Get back out in the community That's really think the one of the best ways to kind of interact and get that education out there which is. Going to these events are going to these places like you know music festival or what have you in which she would maybe have a glass of wine or beer or whatever, and couple that with cannabis like I think that's going to be. One of the things that we're certainly looking forward to as an industry in general. I know harbourside in were certainly itching to kind of get back out there and support not only community events, but can a tourism events? Music festivals and things like that So that certainly is on the horizon for. In the interim were figuring out how to again had those experiences of that. You would have traditionally gotten like. Vendor days and these instore promos and all of that fun stuff and delivering it in a digital way. So keep a lookout for content like that. But Yeah we're. We're definitely itching for kind of the next gen in kind of cannabis activation 's certainly as a marketer. It's one of the that I absolutely love I. Think Cannabis Pairs really well with that and so We're definitely looking ahead to see how we can kind of plug in one. social distancing, and all of that you know. Once we're able to kind of get past that hump the stigma has been pushed back a little bit. The whole pandemic is kind of a speed bump, and maybe there's a little momentum has been lost. But once that stigma has been pushed back, then you can step out and be more prominently involved as a wellness resource in the community. Totally I mean, it's you know people I think. Just kind of how I even got into canvas, you I mean I. Really. You know I wanted to show a different lights on what the candidates consumer look like because again, it's it's your mom. It's your friend. It's you know there's so many people that use it on a daily basis or even you know occasionally that you know being. One of my favorite things is like being in places where it's seemingly unexpected, but totally makes sense. You know we there. So many ways that kind of cannabis can integrate in your life, and it's not to say that you have to, you know smoke it. When you wake up in the middle of the day before you go to bed, there's ways that it can kind of integrate in your day to day on in a way that you enjoy. It's your relationship with a plant So when When when we're able to do those things when we're able to go to a cello or an outside lands or even you know you're with your friends and we're doing like almost like an educational tupperware party or You know in infused director event, those those things kind of normalize the cannabis face, and they also are a fun way to kind of interact and engage with with cannabis. Those are the kinds of things that I think. You know. We're really trying to bring to light particularly for this exponential thing, like you know candidates as a community thing with with covert right. Now, that's been very challenging There's so many times. So many places or events where people are you know like passing a Pre roll? I don't know when that's going to happen again, you're sharing appre roll. It's just kind of communal thing that you know some people share. So I'm definitely looking forward to getting back out there. You know fighting the good fight, but also shedding a different light on what the candidates consumer, but also with the cannabis industry looks like So there's there's certainly a lot of work to be done there. But exciting stuff work. We find you guys online. Yes. So you can actually check us out at shop harbourside DOT COM. Really Research again if you're just kind of poking around you WANNA, learn more about cannabis knowledge in general or you can kind of even go through our online platform in place to order in pick up either for curbside or for delivery. So I'm shop beside that comes going to be words up. Awesome. Well, thanks so much for taking the time to explain this to us a little bit I. Mean you're one of the leading institutions in cannabis and you're the right person in the right place. So thank you so much for sharing your time. Thank you so much for having me. You've been listening to the Cannibal podcast with host Tom Stacey if you like the show and want to know more, please check us out a cannibal with a K. dot com and please leave us a review at Apple podcasts or wherever you listen. See next week.
NPR News: 09-27-2019 11PM ET
"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Nora Raum the House intelligence committee will hear from a key witness next week the inspector general for the intelligence community and what will essentially marked the beginning of impeachment hearings as NPR's Tamra Keith reports the Inspector General Michael Atkinson conducted under preliminary investigation into whistle blower complaint made public earlier this week the House intelligence committee will hold a closed-door briefing with Atkinson next Friday his preliminary. Mary investigation found the whistleblowers allegations to be credible and urgent among those allegations that president trump asked the president of Ukraine to look into a political rival Joe Burden while at the same time blocking military aid and other funding from being delivered to the country trump insists he did nothing wrong. Intelligence Committee Chairman Airman Adam Schiff says the hearing will be critical to establish additional details leads and evidence meanwhile over the next two weeks. House committees have scheduled depositions positions about president trump and Ukraine with five State Department officials Timbre Keith. NPR News in Dallas Former police officer Amber Geiger outstanding murder trial today telling jurors who is frightened for her life when she shot her upstairs neighbor in his apartment. Geiger says she entered both John's apartment by mistake. NPR's Wade Goodwin reports amber geiger broke down in tears as she testified to her remorse for killing twenty six year old both John. The thirty one year old former officer told the jury she's asked for God's forgiveness and never imagined she'd kill innocent man on cross examination Geiger or agreed she'd shot to kill and conceded that she didn't attempt proper life saving measures afterwards when informed that police procedure dictates that a solitary officer officer take cover and call for backup in that situation she replied all she could think of was going inside and challenging the man she mistakenly believed was. There's an intruder. She drew her weapon and seconds later. John Lay dying shot through the heart Wade Goodwin. NPR News Dallas they European Union is threatening economic sanctions against the government of Venezuela. If President Nicolas Maduro does not agree to hold new elections TERI Schultz reports the EU has also so put travel bans and asset freezes on seven security and intelligence officers suspected of taking part in the abduction and torture of a navy officer who died in state custody you foreign policy. Federica Marini has been actively involved in unsuccessful efforts to get Venezuela's president to agree to a peaceful transition of power the US has been pushing the E. U. To get tougher and now Mobile Rini is warning that sanctions could be on the way without swift progress to help with Venezuela's humanitarian carrion crisis Brussels will host donor's conference with the UN next month and Teri Schultz reporting from Brussels this is NPR news in Hong Kong. Thousands rallied harbourside in front of central government offices in a show of solidarity with arrested protesters is set the stage for a weekend of demonstrations leading up the October first seventieth anniversary of the People's Republic of China Hong Kong leader Carrie. Lam in the first open dialogue Doug was citizens. Yesterday said she would not see to president's demands protesters demands for an independent inquiry into police action. NPR's Julie McCarthy was tonight's rally where protesters called for just that there is a group of elderly Hong Kong residents who are out in organized Organiz on behalf of these young protesters. They're out here telling people about visits that they have made to prisons and jails and they also recount how protesters tell them they are frightened that they may end up in one of these remote places on the Chinese border. There is now a fear that people are going to be transferred to a facility inside China that is the level of suspicion that is now taking hold here in Hong Hall Julie McCarthy. NPR News marches were held around the world again this week to urge governments do more to fight climate change sixteen year old Swedish activist Greta the tune Burg attended a rally in Montreal. She said adults who mocked children who are active in the movement. Such as president trump may be threatened that children become too loud for people the handle so people try to silence them to. Burg says that the children should take that as a compliment. I'm Nora Raum N._P._R. News in Washington.
49 | Andrew DeAngelo, Cannabis Activist and Entrepreneur
"Hello and welcome back to the PODCAST. For this episode we brought in Andrew Diangelo he and his brother Sif have enormous footprint in cannabis in California, and really across the country. They were instrumental in starting the harbourside dispensary in Oakland which is well known in expanding around California. They're also both involved in the last prisoner project, and in several other initiatives that will get. Get into so very interesting episode about the past and Future of cannabis where we are today, the politics of it the culture of it all those aspects, so I think you'll enjoy the show. Thanks and look up on Apple podcasts or anywhere where you can leave a review if you like the show or stop by at Cana boom with a K. dot com. Cannabis is booming and Cannibal ms on it. Welcome to the Cannibal podcast where we interview experts on the changing story of humans, health and Hamp from San. Diego here's your host Tom Stacy. Hey, welcome to the podcast. Andrew Diangelo. Thank you for having me on today, so we're just pulling out of covid nineteen sort of There's lots going on out there. Are you you being safe at home? I am being safe at home. I'm being very cautious. I do have. Obligations that take me outside of the home from time to time with my duties, but for the most part I'm able to work from home. Me To wear a mask as much as I can. When I'm out, try to avoid crowds scary times for sure. Yeah, I think it's important to be cautious. I also think it's important for our voices to be heard right now, so folks that need to do that. should try to do that as safely as possible. Absolutely I wanted to kick off. Off by saying, you know you've got a big footprint in the bay area through your work with the harbourside dispensary, but what a lot of people might not realize you had a career as an actor before all this I did that was my first while my second dream as a young man was to be a professional stage and film actor. Yes, that's right. Tell us about that and how it led you to where you are today, sure while I like a lot of little kids I wanted to be a professional athlete, so that was my first dream and lighten. Ninety nine point nine percent of US you know I was not able to be a professional actor, a professional athlete, but then in high school I got bit by the theater bog and the cannabis bug basically at the same time so I started smoking weed and and all those. Awareness. Is that come into you when you first encounter, cannabis began to happen to me and I and I just happened to also be in high school acting class at that time. and I learned in the acting class that my fellow. Actors, in the class, all like to smoke cannabis to, and so I was able to bond with a group of people that also were into cannabis and creativity. And that was something that got me really excited. You have to understand this nine hundred five that I graduated high school, and there was no cannabis industry to go work in in those days. And if you want it to be in the trade yet, basically had the underground, we dealer or grower or transporter and that was how you sort of trade at the plant, and then most of us had a career that we were pursuing outside of that. You're quote. Unquote Day job I guess you could say or your quote, Unquote Cover Story for you know the sort of mask the illegal activity you're doing underneath. And so acting was the thing that I thought was gonNA be. My path to the mainstream. And Anthem, I quickly encountered once I left, college and I went to acting school. I learned that the American theater was a lot more sober and conservative than I imagined it to be, and it was very difficult for somebody like me who was trading cannabis and advocating for cannabis and trying to legalize cannabis. there was a lot of stigma attached to to that and I've found it very difficult to to pursue. An acting career with that stigma around my neck, so the path of. A show the cannabis trail became a the path of I. DON'T WANNA say least resistance, but the path of of that was most mission driven for me. Sure in those were the Reagan years. It was a risky time to be involved with cannabis in the middle of just say no, yeah. Yeah, that's right. Right, so most of us. Almost all of us tried to have a straight hostile. Going on, you know so. We could file our tax returns and we could you know perhaps pursue an alternative business. That was a little bit more mainstream. Some of US made. Those businesses work some of US didn't. and and that's what you had to do. The people the stereotype that we were somehow lazy stone. There's no actually we had two careers that we were managing at once. Instead of one career that most mainstream people were managing, so it's actually a a story of extraordinary effort in determination and the risks were real to hunting. If you've got busted, they're real consequences. Oh, and we did get busted. And Yeah I mean and there there were real risk. You basically lose everything including your freedom, and then once you're done your time or dealing with your quote, unquote debt to society You have to rebuild your life from nothing, and that's a also store narrowly difficult and we do that on more than one occasion in our career It's very hard to trade in cannabis with the passion and. Dedication that Stephen I had without getting busted on. You know it was. You sell enough weed grownup. We do it enough you know eventually. Some, mistake is made or some. INTERDEPENDENCY is not managed exactly right people get busted. You're going to be on the radar of one or the other law enforcement agencies, and so tell me how that went, and probably the segue from that is into the last prisoner project right? Yeah, well, I was I went to acting school in San. Francisco. There's a conservatory their American Conservatory Theatre. It's considered a prestigious acting school. And it was nineteen ninety when I went there and Denis, Perron and Brownie Mary were a dentist, had just lost his lover to HIV like two or three months before I hit San Francisco my brother Steve, new dentists, and and and I didn't have any place to live when I hit. San Francisco to go to acting school in the NS generously allowed me to stay there. Even though I was not. A gay man At that time and And it was very very generous of him to to let me stay in in in the house. That was basically a lgbtq Mecca. At that time and Dennis would always say to me. Andrew I don't mind if you're straight as long as you don't flaunt it. I was thought that was funny and whenever he'd say that to me US be. Be Group setting and I would always blush terribly because it was. Something that that I always found a little bit vulnerable with but But when you're twenty one years old when you're in school, and you're just making your way in the world having a friend like Dennis to mentor, you sell you a little bit of we. I'm be there. Be a place where you could go and be around other candidates, people, and like minded people people that were obsessed with you know the life force on. Otherwise known as sex drugs and rock and roll in those days I guess you'd say. And it was just I learned so much from Dean in in that group, and was really probably between Dennis and my brother and just the stigma I was experiencing the American theater was it was pretty quick that I was fully committed to the cannabis trail, and and so we started legalizing weed, following Dennis's model to to us wellness and medical cannabis as our. Sort of Tip of the legalisation, spear and Steven I were very inspired by that, so we we we legalized for medical purposes in Washington DC. the federal government shut that down and would not let us implement the program shortly after that my brother. Got Busted and we lost everything, and and that motivated us to leave DC come the hell, Formula I had already been California as a student, and as a younger man, and and so I was thrilled to to return. This time with my brother and my mom and we were able to rebuild our lives out here, and culminating with with harbourside. We were out here for a few years before harbor sites is. Growing weed and selling to the medical market, and trying to learn as best we could, how legalizations working on the ground, and how we might be able to make it better. And once we figure that out of the city of Oakland started issuing licenses for for cannabis dispensaries first-place ever to do and we. Won and were. Both skillful, unfortunate enough to get one and. So the rest is sort of history as we would say. In a couple of as you're in the right place at the right time I mean I don't know if everyone is familiar with the whole story Denis Perron. He brought canvas to AIDS. Sufferers Right, and that was really the template as you said kind of the blueprint for the whole medicinal movement. Yeah Yeah, before medical cannabis and HIV crisis what Dennis Brownie nehring that whole team John Entwistle, you're talking about a whole team of people and that team. Before, they had sort of crack. The code on that the arguments we were using for legalization were basically we have an individual right to put anything in our body we want. and cannabis is up benign substance that safer than aspirin by Golly. We have a right to do it, and you shouldn't have the right to take that right away from us, we'll. Those arguments didn't work. Work they failed over and over and over again Even you know. We had a legalization on the ballot in the seventies and failed in California because those arguments just were not persuasive, enough the public they were rational arguments, they were intellectual arguments, and yes, they were strong intellectual arguments and strong rational arguments, but that's not how social change happens. change doesn't happen in the head. Social Change happens in the heart and. Once Dennis understood that, and he started using the power media and storytelling to touch the mainstream public in the heart. With the stories of their sons and daughters. Knows days mostly sons dying from AIDS and HIV. an awakening began to occur in the hearts of the mainstream public here in California, and went up to fifteen one with an overwhelming majority in the state. It really sent and remember every mainstream politicians came out against. A to fifteen Clinton, the Clintons came out against it. The whole Democratic Party came out against the Republican. Party came out against it. Everybody came out against it. It still lawn was sixty. Was Sixty two percent sixty one percent of US huge majority in in this time we're living in where where you know. You're lucky to win with fifty two percent of the vote. If you're politician running for office in America these days, even those days we've been. You know pretty much equally divided between the two parties in this country for a number of decades now so it was quite a big mandate, and and that's when. It dawned on the entire movement that Denison and Brownie Mary. Were right and that the the medical cannabis Frayne was the right way for us to affect a large amount of change in a short amount of time. And and then we've seen you know the medical efficacy of cannabis just present itself in in lots of different ways, other than just helping people with HIV. AIDS in Wetherby kids with epilepsy, which we? Sort of pioneering we wars, or whether it be people with cancer, senior citizens, just trying to make the pain go away from being a senior citizen, our seeing all of these medical wellness applications for cannabis since two fifteen and now I think we all sort of learned that. Cannabis is a wellness product I. And a something to sort of enjoy second and I hope that we will always consider cannabis, a wellness product i. And and and whatever fun recreation. Wherever were I? Don't like those words. Generally I like wellness, because that's what cannabis really does, and any you four defects that happened because we are interacting cannabis. Are Secondary to the wellness events for me. Couple of great points made their social change comes from the heart. We may have seen another emotional tipping point recently, obviously with the way people been out in the streets in response to the George, Floyd incident, and we may be on the cusp of another sweeping social change in that regard interesting from the candidates perspective that it was really human suffering that was that tipping point and you guys were able to harness that in ways that nobody had thought of yet. Well yeah you know whenever you're trying to do something like an prohibition of cannabis. You'd have to develop strategies to do that. And the the initial strategies going all the way back to the jazz, age and the Knicks. and you may remember the famous Ginsburg Fisher wears wearing the placard that says pot is fine on. It that that is earned in into pop culture. Lexicon. but those arguments weren't working and and what we lost sight of. When we're making those intellectual arguments about the freedom to. Consume cannabis as a natural right We were forgetting that the history of canvas hasn't medicine at as a soothing agent. For Poor people black and Brown people working class people immigrants throughout the ages of cannabis has been of people's medicine and. We lost sight of that in the beaten in Hippie era a little bit. Not by any malicious intention, but just because. It is the sixties. Were were very much about of breaking away from conformity and reasserting the rights of the individual to to The. non-conforming and and finding new ways of being in the world. Coming out of the nineteen fifties. Use The word framing in I think it was canvas framed as something that war protesters in hippies did so there was a sort of cultural baggage attached to it, that was pretty effective for the Nixon and Reagan administrations at least right. That's right. Yes, you know it's always been about the people using canvas, not so much the canvas itself, so it's always the people using cannabis that gets demonized so and you know it started off with is right. Cannabis makes you crazy. You go insane. You go on murdering rampages, you rape, pillage and plunder all. That was all lies. that was being told to. The plant because of black and Brown people were using it and great. Great much greater number, so white people were in those early days, and and you know there was a canvas. Prohibition was another tool to put those communities down. and as you mentioned you know has been used as a tool. To oppress those communities to to this day is still used as A. Tool to to suppress those those community, so so it's! It's it's. You know it. We couldn't win. The arguments in the sixties and seventies largely because the messengers of those arguments as you pointed out, where were hippies and hippies and and people who supported us that we're not mainstream people and mainstream politicians like Nixon and Reagan. Were very effective in and wedging a hammering wedges into the Progressive Coalition and and appealing away. support. So yeah. So where we're at today where there's obviously some corporatization happening in America, you always follow the money, and that's where the action is, and you know the whole culture around cannabis is going to change as you have a professional class come in. Do you think there's room for some of the old Bragman to the hippie culture, or are we going to kind of be bulldozed by the commerce aspect of this? Was a great question and you know it's something that I've been. With for a number of years now and Sixty four people have to understand that legalisation. Business and In order to change laws in democracies, it requires people to negotiate and compromise with a variety of different stakeholders. And you just don't get pure political solutions in a democracy, you tend to get those dictatorships and totalitarian systems where one person decides the way, it should be just by force of will and fear and force makes it happen in a democracy. In theory, it's supposed to work that that you have all these different stakeholders, and they get in a room, and and they proposed laws together said compromise, and then you know they form Jarrai's to enact those laws. And then you know, enforce. So, With respect to to canvas in California and other places. You know we had to legalize. We after a Hundred Years of prohibition, and during those hundred, years law enforcement became a very powerful lobbying force, not just in California in every state in this country add. Federally. Law enforcement huge amounts of money and resources went to law enforcement, and they have very. They are very powerful political lobby, and you're not gonNA be able to legalize weed without. At least having a conversation with law enforcement, you might oppose them, and you might have to beat them but more likely than not. You're going to be in some kind of negotiation with law enforcement and you're going to have to make some compromises. Unfortunately those compromises are usually driven by the people who have the funding to pass the law in the first place in California and most places. The laws have been passed by ballot initiative because mainstream politicians don't have the courage to legalise cannabis, so the people have to do. so he has to collect signatures. You have to get something on the ballot language of those ballot initiatives. Determine! How legalization is actually going to operate wants the voting vote is one. And you know in the case of California law enforcement. We add to cut some deals with law enforcement. We had to cut some deals with local of the League of city in Cowley's and give them the power to tax cannabis on the power to ban cannabis in their communities. Well, those were bad compromises that that ended up biting us in the rear, end. And you know. The people with the funding to get these things on the ballot told us that we had to have those things in the initiative or it would not win and. Your listeners may not remember, but we had initiative in twenty nine California called Crop Nineteen which lost. A, and after that initiative loss to legalize for adult use, the federal government came in and crackdown on medical cannabis dispensaries including harbourside. They shut down not a few dispensaries, not dozens of dispensaries hundreds of dispensaries. They shut down with enforcement actions after proposition. Loss 'cause the and this was under the Obama Administration. This is under a Democratic Administration Administration. They came after US hard core. and. We couldn't let that happen again. So when it came time to put sixty four on the ballot, we had to make some compromises. 'cause we could not lose again and allow the federal government to come in and attack us again. And, so some of those compromises are now making things very difficult. legacy growers cannot get into the legal market. The barriers of entry are too high as you mentioned big corporate. Publicly traded companies now have a big chunk of the California industry not owned by Californians at all. And not to say that we don't welcome people outside of California to participate in our industry, but it sure would be nice if it benefited Californians at least fifty one percent. And it's not right now and you know. For two years I've been up in Sacramento whole bunch. Other industry people trade associations. Trade groups have been up in Sacramento trying to fix it. And we failed. failed largely because our industry refuses to make the commitments it needs to, and gathered the unity. It needs to to win in the local process in California and the democratic. Party here in California have been terrible, terribly unreliable partners. At best and all these local bands. High taxes all don't by Democrats. We have one party rule here. In California, there are a few conservative communities. That have banned cannabis, but by and large. It's been done by the mainstream. Democratic Party on the one hand. We had to make all these compromises. It's made our industry very very fragile. We only have twenty percent of the market. A legacy market some people call the illicit market I call. Legacy market has eighty percent. That's not what was supposed to happen and as you point out if we don't fix it, the whole thing could collapse here. And and the legacy market will will take more and more of it if we don't start getting smart about fixing prop sixty four now and not just here in California. You know we need to fix Michigan seventy five percent. Michigan has bans same thing in Ohio. Same Thing Illinois July too much taxes hugh many barriers to entry. And and we're we haven't licensed. Most of the people that have been in the cannabis trade for decades can't get a license and and as a real big problem. Well I appreciate the insider perspective I mean obviously I hear a lot of people, Bitch and complain about the taxes, and and this and that, but when you look at, you've described a long and messy struggle and it. It isn't perfect, but you have to keep taking your swing. You come back and try to make it better than it was. Yeah I mean the industry. Is is where I place most of the blame right now. We can't expect any mainstream politician of any political party to do this for us. They're not. They don't know cannabis care about cannabis cannabis in their lives. Genesis is this political problem that they're trying to sweep over into the corner, not have to deal with. Okay because I don't know how to deal with. And they have this attitude that somehow this legalisation things gonNA pass, and we'll be back in prohibition and twenty or thirty years, and will be able to go back to what we're used to or I don't know what it is, but the attitude of the mainstream Democratic Party is just entirely unhelpful. The! Industry we can write our own loss I mean last spring I formed task force with the California Cannabis Industry, association to try to raise. Enough money to put a fix of proposition sixty four back on the ballot in twenty twenty and let the people decide again because the mainstream Democratic Party won't do anything in Sacramento, so let's. And I couldn't. We could not an. It would only cost twenty thirty million dollars to do that. Okay, an industry that's generating three billion a year in California, despite the fact that that legacy market has ten billion. We still have three billion and we need about thirty million. To write our own law basically put in front of the people. We might need another twenty million on top about to make sure wins. But. It's a pay play system. Right and you're talking about a small fraction of your revenue to reform the whole market right and they will end. No one will do it. No one has the vision and foresight, and everybody wants somebody else to legalize and fix it for them, and they don't want to spend the money, and they don't want or they think they're smarter than everybody else, and they can do it on their own, so they hire their own lobbyists. And they sent him to Sacramento, and they think they can fix for everybody on their own and be a big hero and they can't. and then you have fifty different lobbyists from fifty different groups of fifty different companies on Sacramento saying fifty. Slightly different things to the elected officials in the elected officials are just like you guys don't know what you want. I'm GonNa vote now. That's easier. And that's what happens and and then we lose again, and then the industry throws his hands up in the air and says Oh my God, you know, and we complain. We have the power so right our own laws and taxes here in California. It is a pay to play system, but if you don't pay, you can't play. And and that's just the way it is. We did invent the system cannabis. People didn't invent this pay to play political system. In California, but we need a win within it. And the way we win within it. is to demonstrate our level of commitment and if we did that, these politicians would run for the hills and they would do whatever we want it. If. We just showed if we just showed up in the right way, it's not like they. You know they would do what we want. If we showed up in the right way, that's how it works, and we're just you know where such a new industry and every you know it. People just don't get that yet. They think we've won the war. We legalize weed. It's over. It's dot. It's not done. It's far from done. And and we need to be more active and we need to to. Get our house in order. We just don't. It's an immature industry. You mentioned that the industry just has to get its shit together. But what about users you know if there was a groundswell of vocal support or opposition from users would that help the industry coalesce around some kind of solution that would make sense I mean. Is there anything our listeners can do? While there's all kinds of things your listeners can give so let's talk about that. I won the canvas consumer here in California in a lot of places is a little bit fed up with the industry. Themselves because. There there there are not. Appreciating some of the behavior that they're see in the industry, and a lot of the consumers are fed up with the taxes and sat up with the prices. They rather go back to their dealer. Where they have a better, they have better experience. And so. You know that that. That is I think a given with the consumers I also think consumers want to be able to go into shops and experience a lot of different products that are lab tested. That are presented to them in interesting ways. that that that that allow us to Different kinds of cannabinoid doubt and breathe different kinds of cannabinoid to make available to them, I think consumers want all of that and so so you know consumers. For a long time that consumers the way you were active as you would support you, know a normal or MP or drug policy DA drug, policy, alliance, or or or Asia you know And and and now. With legalisation. A lot of the activists organizations. They're still there. They're still doing their work for. They're not really advocating for the consumer. They're trying to get. We legalize in Alabama and places like that. whereas you know, and then you have trade associations now which is sort of the industry's way of organizing and advocating for for itself. But. You don't have a lot of consumer groups now I know there's people starting some consumer groups, and some of the activists, organizations or some of the trade organizations are trying to pivot into a consumer group. Some people certainly can plug in. To that, but but but what I WANNA see consumers do is support the legal market make their voices heard so whatever dispenser you go to whatever brands that you consume? Let those businesses know how you feel about. Politics of cannabis and and and and And ask them how your voice can be heard because I guarantee you. They're working on fixing it. harbourside works on fixing props sixty four every single day. And you know from time to time we will engage our our customers to write a letter campaign, or or make some phone calls but you know. The the the we have to show up and be an and make these demands of our elected officials in a lot of starts at the local level, so if you can't support a trade organization that's doing this work, or he can't support legal on cannabis company that might be representing new in a trade association doing this where? Ben Show up at a city council meeting. If there's almost always a mechanic is on the agenda of Neighborhood Group Meetings City Council meetings. A lots of local government and stakeholder group meetings are talking about cannabis. Now show up. Make. Your voices heard the political processes messy. It's frustrating. You go to these meetings in you spend hours there. Everybody talks and talks and talks doesn't seem like lot happens, and that's the political process. That's democracy. And if we don't want. Politicians. Like Donald Trump steamrolling over us than we have to go to these meetings. Show up and we have to participate so that's the best thing that you know. As as you pointed out with When something like the murder George Floyd happens up. People are more motivated inspired to to show up and we. We have to keep doing that work, not just went. A particular occurrence that. Inflames, Our rage, our anger, and our our sense of injustice. We have to sustain. At that activism. On the day to day, and I'm hopeful variable that this the the moments that were were experiencing right now. Will. Perhaps lead to more sustained efforts. over the term here. Because you know we've got an election coming up and and cannabis's is GonNa be on the ballot in a couple places not as many places as we thought because of the pandemic stopping signatures from being collected. But it's going to be on the ballot and and I'm certainly I think the presidential elections here in America of the election will have to deal with canvas legalization a lot more than. It was dealt with during the last election. Right? We've seen a lot of energy come to the streets in the last month, and certainly it's focused primarily on the on the racial aspect of George Floyd murder, but my sense is, there's there's a lot of pent up energy from a lot of things in cannabis might be part of that, but as you say, you gotTa Show Up, you got to. To be involved, educate yourself talked people. It isn't a binary, yes, or no black and white sort of resolution is going to be messy sort of process I want to ask you about the last prisoner project. I've been wanting to have someone on to talk about that for a while. It's big important topic so I know you're involved. Yes, the last prisoner project is is one of these efforts. That Stephen I been wanting to do for a long time. You know when you've been busted by law enforcement life we have. An had dozens literally dozens and dozens and dozens of people. We know love us by law enforcement people. died as a result of being busted by law enforcement that we know and love. And then, when he start a dispensary like harbourside at the time that we started it the our very first date, we opened October. Third, two thousand and six of fans were rating dispensaries in Hayward. which is the town right next door to Oakland. And and we had a little meeting before we opened that day, and the meat meeting went. Like this, should we open today? And then about. Three seconds past and the whole team said Fuck Yeah. We're GONNA open today, and and we get and and and so it it it's always. We were always very conscious of our prisoners. And from the first day we opened Arbor site. You could come in. Are you didn't have any money to buy we? Or your medicine and you could write a letter to prisoner that we would pay the postage for. And? We would facilitate who the prisoners were, and where you could write to them. We had a whole three ring binder of all these prisoners. And people would write letters. We give you at the end of of submitting letter to our on Buds Department for Graham of Free Week at and you get a grim free reign, we and so last prisoner, Roger is sort of the latest and most ambitious and I hope most effective. Effort that Stephen I have I have. Undertaken to date to remember not forget our campus prisoners. and now that we haven't industry that's generating billions of dollars, and now that we have legalisation in many many states, many many places and countries. it it is. It is past time for our industry in our community to get everybody out. So we started last prisoner project about. I don't know fifteen months ago a little bit more than a year ago. And it was just me and Steve. And we we We had one or two other people very quickly. Join our team, and and and and we're still a very small team. And and our mission is very simple. One get every canvas prisoner on earth out of prison to make sure their record is expunged and three make sure that they can reintegrate into society with housing and a job, a job training and hopefully last prisoner project can work with others to make sure that that training and that employment happens as much as possible within the cannabis industry to the extent that the. The prisoner with light to work in the cannabis industry ally. These folks got busted for growing weed or selling. We well, that's what we do. Not We grow and sell we so it makes sense are have skills along those lines, and we train them when they get out so that they can be used to doing that inside a legal corporate environment business environment. and and that's what we try to do so so so the way you get somebody out of prisoners with clemency the way expunge records is with expunge -ment obviously, and and were trying to find a training program right now. to train prisoners to to work in the. Cannabis industry in that, of course encourage folks and the industry to hire the formerly incarcerated so. This is a big mission. It's GonNa. Take tens of millions of not hundreds of millions of dollars. We haven't even raised one million dollars yet in our in our existence but but I'm very pleased to report that. Since Kobe broke out we had a big, a four twenty virtual fundraising events, multiple ones, and now since the murder George Floyd, a whole budget, industry, companies and individuals. Have stepped up and our donations have grown quite a bit since four twenty, and now we are able to Few more people, and and expand our board and make sure that our organization You! Know is is more and more effective. We have successfully released a few people from prison, but we we we've got. We've we've. We've failed more often than we've succeeded. Because it's, it's very very hard to get the prison bureaucracy to agree to release somebody. From prison once they've been convicted of anything. but cannabis is is is up particularly difficult one. Is it basically a public pressure that you're bringing to bear and Ken listeners help amplify that, is it social media is t telling stories about people who are are in who have been in for a long time for you know having a an ounce on them or something? What tools do you have to get? People released well. The good is about your listeners making it. With less prisoner project unlike the politics of channels that we're talking about a moment ago is this you can actually be effective a politics of cannabis. Sometimes you can try really hard, and you end up losing. And that can be really a farmer with last risen project you try really hard and something good will come of it on whether that trying really hard is in the form of a donation. We will use that donation to help people. Or whether that's in the form of volunteering a, you can go to last prison project dot org slash. Get involved I think it might be. Something other than get involved, but but I. Think it's get involved and you can. We make it so easy for people to get involved with a your individual or canvas company? We have several programs. Click a few buttons and all of a sudden you submitted. You've signed a petition or you click a few buttons and you can get the address name of prisoner that you can write a letter to. Or you click a few buttons in, you can make a donation, or you can click a few buttons in you can. Go to an event or volunteer. At wherever you happen to live on, and sometimes that means writing a letter to the governor or or or to a local official, asking them to do something with respect to clemency or punishment or reentry. So there's a myriad of ways that people can help and feels really you know. It's it's. It's one of the reasons I started. I wanted to be part of last year's project because it gave me something effective. Than I can do that will make a difference and that I don't have to experience these continual frustrations of trying to fix the politics This is. It's very hard for anybody. Disagree with our mission. I haven't heard it. I haven't heard anyone. Stand up and say you're wrong. We have to keep those chain of people in prison. On their threat to society. I just haven't heard that, so it's really hard for people to disagree. It's really hard not to get consensus on this. And and and and you know. We've always known that that that social justice is a big issue, and now that social justice is is is is sort of dominating the headlines and and a lot of people's attention. I'm glad that that LP is is is ready to to grow with that and you know your listeners. Chanel there's lots of groups were Social Justice you know I love with campaigns. Zeros doing I love with Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Doing I love what families against mandatory minimums are doing I. There's groups that. Are are are run by black and Brown people on that we support. There's all kinds of groups doing this work. LP's just want and our mission is very very focused on canvas so I think you know what we do slightly different but there's a lot of groups working on this. They all deserve on your listeners a support. Okay, we'll put some of those in the show notes for sure I agree with you. I mean in this moment. Moment right now. It seems like a lot of people in this country have awoken a little bit to some of the inequities, definitely supporting some of those organizations. Now's the time to do it. I think they're still upwards of six hundred thousand arrests per year for cannabis in this country right and and I don't have the data in front of me and on how many people are still incarcerated? But as you said this is, this is a big job. Yeah. I think our is very hard to couch. Because the way convictions are. Memorialize in the record. It's very difficult to unwind. What happens is the way the way the system works is. You get busted with some we and your. It's in your car. So then you get another charged for using the highways in the in the crime and and then you have to have an teak shotgun sitting on your wall at your house a search because they searched your car. And then you get hit with a weapon, charge and then all these charges pile up on each other, and then it's very hard to know what is the originating thing that that that that made the arrest happened? So so it's very hard to count, but forty thousand is the number think. Is Best Best, educated guess we make, and that's just people in prison. There's a whole bunch of people on probation of that probably more than forty thousand many more, and then a whole bunch of people have already convictions. And and am which is probably hundreds of thousands, not millions. So and just that can mess you up right I mean. If you have like a felony conviction, you can't vote. You can't probably can't get a mortgage and all that stuff, right? You can't get alone. You can't get a mortgage can't a lease you can't get an apartment can't get a job. It's A. It's a real real problem in the united. States the stigma. An arrest record has is tremendous in in in the United States and It's really hard for anyone who has. Not being in that situation I mean imagine. You get busted with a half outs a we when you're a kid when you're a teenager when you're nineteen and and where you live in Texas, so it's a felony and you got locked up for I. Don't know six months a year two years three years four years to pay on. Call your skin health where you are a lawyer at and then you do your time you get out. Of this, and then you just had a half an ounce a week. Right and and you like to smoke weed and all of a sudden. You can't get a job and can't get -partment. You're going one place another. You can never get this thing. Off of your record you can't get this this ball and chain off of your ankle as you try to rebuild your life, and it's just an terrible terrible injustice that is a flipped it on people. and. And certainly can't of his folks. But you know other folks I mean. We lock up people for writing a bad check for ten dollars. We kill people in the street for. Passing a twenty dollar powerful bill, so yeah, there's a lot to reform there. You're in. You mentioned weed wars in I haven't seen it, but I'll definitely be looking for it was it was something with the Discovery Channel? Yeah leave! Wars is a little bit ancient history now. But at the time in twenty eleven, it was the first reality TV show ever made out cannabis industry I'm in those days California's still the only medical state. And it was a real inside. Look at harborside and what we do in the dispensary and the people we help in our patients Most proud of the little boy with Epilepsy J. that was the first. The first cannabis tincture ever given to a child. Epilepsy happened on weed wars on. We started that whole. Revolution with kids with epilepsy and the whole CD revolution so Yeah, and we tell that story you know typical. You know it. There are some things I really loved about weed wars or some things that I didn't really love about Obviously, we didn't have control over the editor of the program. And we didn't have any control on how Discovery Channel promoted program. To this day people. Come up to me and thank me for it and and I think what the program did more than anything. Was Show people that you could have candidates in your community? You could do it. Openly! With try. And the community would benefit from it and nothing terrible would happen and in fact. A bunch of really good things happen. And we were able to show that in a very honest and transparent way in the world saw it. And so. If you're you're living. Outside of California that time you were! Basically in a a prohibition reality, and to be able to see. Sort these crazy people in California at figured out how to do this. In, a safe and responsible way that brought benefits, it really opened people up. And Inspire them to get into the cannabis industry and to petition their states and their hometowns to enact cannabis law reform. And it really created. A domino effect. You know we're all standing on the shoulders of others and. I, think what we've worsted. It really allowed a whole. Bunch of other smart people feel safe coming into the industry. And provided some strong shoulders. FOR THOSE FOLKS TO STAND UP And now I think. Thing really makes my heart soars that any dispenser that I've walked into the United States and indeed the world. There's a little harder harbourside in there. There's a little part of what we create. It in in that operating system. and you know someday someone's GonNa. Come along and reinvent canvas retail. Novia canvas retail two point Oh. But for now, I'm very proud because you know I see that influence all throughout the canvas retail industry, and it pleases me. and fills new pry. That's really cool. You guys kind of did the prototype viable dispensary and help change the narrative around what was possible, so thank you for doing that. That's the kind of thing that can influence you know. Millions of people in the long run so I want to segue from all the experience. You've talked about at harborside with LP with all the things you've done and. You helping dispensaries. What? What's the next thing you're onto now? Well thank you for asking. Yes, I am now. An independent consultant and strategic advisor for Canada's entre preneurs canvas companies big. Companies Small companies. I'm enjoying Helping Legacy folks and and I'm also enjoying helping some social equity. Folks I do volunteer. Some might time to social equity. and You know all of these things I've learned over the years with harbourside whether the policy and politics, or whether it be retail operations are whether the how to manage a team of people with trust and shared consciousness, so you don't have to be commanded control leader you can, you can lead in a way. That inspires people to show up every day. and you don't have to be a boss. You can be. You can. You can create a something that that that goes beyond the the Baugh the supervisor for relationship in into something that that feels like more like a team. That's that's on a mission together. and and those teams perform better over time so or whether it be helping people understand what good weed is, and what mediocre we'd is All of those things I can help people with and I'm available to help. People with and people can go to my website and learn more. Andrew Deangelis DOT com. And it's it's it's. It's a good pivot for me I I could go start another big cannabis company right now, but I just I just coming out of thirteen years of doing that for Harborside and and I really want to help. Other people do that rather than going out and doing that on my own organizations, I wanNA. Start now are are more like l. p. p., and and sort of trying to to help. More disenfranchised folks. I'm getting and so that's what I'm doing. These days between L. PP in the consulting work and some creative projects. I I am sort of dipping my toe back into. Storytelling and creative projects. I hope to have. Some announcements on some of my creative projects. I've been working on the last year or two really really soon. For everybody to get excited about and I hope to be able to cal some of the stories again you know I started off as a storyteller at get off of that path and. Legalize weed, and and and on a show everybody that it's okay to to be in the open. Do this and now that we've done all of that I'm sort of feeling. To to tell all of those stories of of all of my own journey and Steve on journey, but also the journey of. People like data's and the whole movement, and going all the way back to the Jazz Asian. It is time for us to tell the stories now. Because that's how we're going to reduce the stigma away. Michigan's GonNa get dispensaries in in all of those places that have. Dispensaries same thing in California, same thing in Canada. The way that's going to happen is by reducing the stigma. The way we reduce stigma is by telling stories again hitting people in the heart and when people like weed wars we've wars was a story is a story that showed people that you can do this, too. and you know I. WanNa. Tell some stories that show that cannabis people aren't just you know the typical stereotypes. We've seen in pop culture last several decades. I WANNA create new stereotypes for cannabis in pop culture I WANNA I want people to make different associate I want people to associate cannabis people with achievement. And Innovation and success and leadership and solutions for society That's the kind of associations I want cannabis people to to have in pop culture. That's the kind of associations we deserve. We've earned. So. I'm excited to work on that to. But right now making a living. Consultant and advisor. It seems to me you're you're uniquely qualified. I mean you're at the intersection of all this stuff and lived through the the politics of it in you understand the commerce, and certainly the culture, and in how to tell those stories, and and the equity piece of its very happy to give you a forum here into a check in with you as you out some of these things and help you amplify those, so we can find you at Andrew Dangelo. Dot Com and I assume you're on twitter as well YEP. Twitter is. Andrew under slash the Angelo same with a I G Annan, late dinner and I'm on the Internet movie database to. Some people want to check on my creative career. You can go to I am be. Calm. I'm action. Enlisted Andrew David the Angelo on that platform. Are we gonNa see you on the screen? More or are those your creative projects, or is that hush-hush? Yeah, hope to I hope to. You'll see me behind the scenes and celebrating other people on the screen, and you'll see me on the screen a little bit too you know I think that one of the things the world can look forward to the next five or ten years is learning a lot more about the Ed Gelo, brothers, personal stories, and the stories of our friends and associates over the years, and all the different things we get of as outlaws in as an activist and entrepreneur. Entrepreneurs and now. Lyrical operatives. It's quite a journey and so so I think people get to to hear some of those stories more and more courses coming years. Oh It's a great American story and I can't wait to see it and. Share it with and thank you so much Andrew for taking the time. Maybe we'll have you back on against someday. When when you have some more projects to talk about Oh. Yeah, I'd love to be on channel boom. Thank you so much for having me today. You've been listening to the Cannibal podcasts with host Tom. Stacey! If you like the show and want WanNa, know more. Please check us out a cannibalism with a K. dot com. Please leave us a review of Apple podcasts or wherever you listen see next week.
Securing Your Remote Workforce
"This is postponed the weekly podcast for cybersecurity professionals. We answer your cybersecurity questions. Share stories from the trenches about how security professionals security engineers in SEASO's protecting their organizations today. We are talking about how to secure your remote workforce and weather. Your workforce is already remote or newly remote as a result of the recent pandemic will be going through some tips for organizations on how to secure your workforce honed as always is brought to you by our security. Does your end to end provider of security services and security solutions if you're looking for complete cybersecurity protection for Your Business in a security partner that actually gives us visit us at. Www dot near hardware security dot com. Now we start to think about securing a workforce. There's generally two scenarios that we want to think about or how we kind of approach this situation. The first scenario is that you're forced to secure your workforce on short notice kind of an emergency situation. You're doing what you can to make things work doing the best you can given the circumstances the second scenario whereas if you find yourself in the fortunate position where you're able to plan in a medium or long-term situation on how you would strategically secure remote workforce and you have the luxury to plan. That's additional considerations to take if you were in a pinch. There's things that you can do from an IT administration standpoint and there's things that you can do from a user standpoint. The best thing that you can do is to spend your time. Educating your workforce on fishing and associated cyber scams so when we think about fishing we think about phishing attacks today. The statistic is ninety two percent of security incidents occur through fishing activities and given the nature of Cova de males or corona virus emails. That is all seemingly relevant news and interesting topics that peak. Your users curiosity people that are fishing and trying to use that avenue of attack into the user base are disguising nefarious emails in the form of the corona virus or Cova type news or alerts in order to Spoofer Scam Your User Base. So when we think about trying to protect the workforce and what's the biggest bang for the Buck and worship the most time be spent some simple education and some careful consideration to inspect emails before opening or engaging? Any of the links within the emails could get you a pretty high return on investment if you're an IT administrator tactically. There's some additional things that you can be doing to secure your organization. If you don't have one already you can implement an email security gateway what this gateway would effectively do is filter in block any nefarious or maliciously crafted emails looking to scam your employees. Some examples of gateways could either be a proof. Point or a mime cast type solution That could help you filter out some of those some of those nefarious emails. The second thing that you can tactically do is implement strong endpoint protections for your corporate devices and when we think about the endpoint security space over the last couple years that vertical within cybersecurity has come an incredibly long way. The has made a fundamental. Shift away from the traditional antivirus to true next. Gen Antivirus as well as Dr Solutions. Which gives organizations the ability to track monitor and remotely quarantine infected machines? So the example being with one of these solutions in a remote workforce not only can you track which machines are infected at any given time you can also proxy the Web Connection Effectively. Taking Bat. Machine offline remotely stemming any potential cyber attack that might be occurring at that time. And lastly if you're really concerned had users change their passwords in an overabundance of caution within our organizations too often we see widespread account password compromise so your users might have had their email addresses and passwords compromised by third party site that has subsequently published out to the web those credentials might be a foothold into your corporate environment. If that is a concern for your organization and you're worried about it taking those cautious steps forcing users to reset a password that is complex in nature in different from what was previously configured might stem off some potential cyber attacks. That could be occurring. Now if you are a user looking to operate in a newly remote work environment or looking to secure an already existing remote work environment. There's four media things you can do to secure your work environment. The first one is to avoid public Wi fi at all costs so staying off public Wifi or wi FIS that are being shared with other users could be the first step. It is well known that shared. Wi Fi can introduce security weaknesses with how you transact and connect within your organization. Depending on your Internet connection your data could actually be snooped over the wire by someone who sharing that same WIFI connection so the first one is to stay off public Wifi though using home Wifi or personal hotspots that you know you're the sole user of the second guideline is to keep work on work computers being if you have the luxury do your work on your work computer if you have personal stuff to do do it on your personal computer too. Often we see that folks being forced to work remotely undershorts circumstances. End Up Co mingling. Those two things And sometimes even see that kids get access to work computers which introduces some security issues. So second recommendation is keep work on work computers personal stuff on your personal computers. The third recommendation is to physically block sight lines to your computers so too often that we see users working on work documents either at a public location an airplane or generally shared work environment being able to keep someone from doing a shoulder surf and looking at your screen can help secure information that that you're currently working on and then lastly the fourth recommendation is always looked to encrypt sensitive data. So if you are in doubt you can never be faulted for encrypting or using encryption. If you're unsure so by always taking a default always encrypting data you can be sure that information will always be protected. Now if you find yourself in the fortunate position of having time to plan so you are planning for a remote workforce in the medium-term or potentially long-term there's things that you should start thinking about and there's things that you can do to secure your remote workforce and five things to think about the first one is your cyber hygiene is important for your organization so having strong patching programs and having heart and system configurations can help you insure a strong cybersecurity hygiene for your environment in order to do. Some of these things requires that you have the foresight and the systems to be able do remote patching and remote system hardening and configurations for your workforce the second item is having a level of visibility. Remote workforce is also important. This is also significant because the cyber security industry is now at a point where the technology allows for the level of visibility that you would need within your organization to to track an alert on devices that are not necessarily connected to your corporate network but might be corporately owned device. The third recommendation is to leverage cloud technologies and cloud architectures as much as possible. The truth of the matter is the cloud landscape. Today and large cloud providers have invested in the security technology required in order to secure their own stack for examples. Take aws or Microsoft three sixty five or google. Docs some of these. Larger organizations have invested insecurity technology and they've invested in the security horsepower in order to secure their stack. If you include some of these large scale and scalable cloud offerings within your cloud architecture it could be a way to extend your security footprint in your security reach in securing. Your remote workforce the fourth one for larger organization. In larger corporations incident response. Plans must be adaptable to being executed by a remote workforce on the new harbourside. Too often. We see incident response plans that have a heavy reliance on having the team work physically together and being in the same physical proximity in order to execute and deliver on that plan. But when you're workforce is remote your distributed you're responding to an incident where everybody is remote can provide for some interesting complications and communication challenges. So when you in the long medium and long-term when you start thinking about designing your incident response plan having those remote contingencies in mind we'll make your plan a little bit more. Scalable inability to be executed in emergency situations the last one and probably the least sexy of all of these is developed strong security policies so having those pre thought through and premeditated written security policies to guide staff on. What's permissible or what's not can give your staff the guidelines that they need in order to self select the correct security decisions when they have no one else to answer some of their media questions and then from a tactical standpoint technical policies such as window system policies a to protect your staff should also be implemented because accidents do happen in having strong window systems. Policies or systems policies can help prevent some of those incidents that might actually lead to an accidental cyber breach. So those were some tips and techniques that you can use to secure remote workforce as always thank you to new harbour security for sponsoring this episode. If you are looking for a trusted security partner that actually gives it. Please visit us at. Www dot near our security dot com in next week's episode we're going to be talking about security orchestration and automation for MSSP's.
Thursday 8/15/19 - Big Cat Gives Me National Anthem Tips
"All right they make another episode of chicago dog walk. Guest today is big epic. What's going on. Hey are there different bang banks now. Why i don't know that one was quick. I liked it but like he's there. Is it based on your mood like is there a bang bang and then a very mood based so it's weird when i have to caught like intros and ultras narrowly cut the show and i'm in different moods different times it kinda throws me off when i listened back for sure interesting started to derail this discussion right off the top but that was that was a very different paying bang bang bang bang so wow a lot more to the bay banks vary they vary by dave very by mood. You absolutely nailed. It saw the parcel classics on friday. This is what i wanted to talk to. You texted me what on sunday earlier in the week sometime and you basically just kinda roped roped me into something yes one hundred percent. Did i so little backstory. I was supposed to come to <hes> the the barstool classic at harborside was planning on it. Then i had an epiphany. 'cause you know obviously i have a newborn so it's very hard for me to travel like if people saw the the training camp tour we basically split it up and we did two twenty four hour trips so essentially i i don't i can't just go places <hes> at this moment because the newborn in the whole situation so at this moment i'm kind of <hes> locked in of like not traveling a lot so i realized i'm not golf golf in the barstool classic. It's a great event. It's going to be awesome said that. I won't be able to hang out with everyone. Harbourside not gonna golfing. Though i'm going for the anthem. Why not i use the parcel classic to trade up for a future cubs game which i think is going to be maybe the the friday before labor day and so i made that trade in the household and the cat cave and i traded away the barstool classic and in return i got a future cubs game at wrigley which i think is a very a good trade but the problem was it left a hole in the anthem so i actually do you and i said hey you have to. I mean that's a million dollar trade. That's it a capri sun for a carton milk right. I was like what if i were golfing. I think it'd be different but it would basically be going on a trip to do an anthem and then and then just kinda watch people golfer day <hes> versus getting to go to a cubs game. It's like that's a no brainer for me. So the only part of the equation was i need someone do the awesome and i thought my guy my number one guy eddie he can do it and i will help him and we'll make some content out of you training for the anthem so essentially i made not going into content this week and now here we are you gotta get ready for the anthem. I gotta get ready for the anthem. And how long have you been singing. The as of now since the windy city the thunderbolts game i know but what was that like twenty fourteen thirteen twenty thirteen twenty thirteen so that was the first one i did with dave company company. Believe me with the symbols <hes> that was the first one i've done it every rough and rowdy of done it a couple of other random ones but i feel like i've also gotten to a point now where i i think you can correct me if i'm wrong eddie thing. I'm an anthem singer right. People ask anthem singer. Yeah like you could steal jim cornell since handle. I think you're good on that yeah so yes. I've been doing it for. I've probably done about fifteen anthems over the course of five six years now and <hes>. I love doing it but it also also be good. If we had a backup anthem guy <hes> you know like we have. We have <hes> what's his name. What's the guy's name the big guy wayne messmer wayne messmer. No i know when wayne messmer can't thing the anthem. The big guy things that i thought is mesmerized coordination. I thought she was the one two punch. You know who i'm talking about the big italian elian guy who always hangs out with dick dick restaurant okay okay. I forget his name but i know who you're talking about yeah. He's got a very talion name. I'm gonna look them up so you you you filibuster so why look he's the true backup to the backup. No i know exactly what i see him and he texted me this. I was like man it was. It was a nice sweet offer. You're like hey. You know we'll well. You know maybe we'll do this or that. And what. What do you think i think it'll be funny and you threw out a couple of other ideas how we could make a thing out of it so i was like all right. I mean i guess i'm in but i don't think it's one are those things and i know everyone says this. It's like the pledge of allegiance are like you know the our father whatever you think you know it until you don't right right right john vincent by the way john lewis john vincent fares swear to god. You just hang out all the time <hes> not a bad. You're right though getting bad gig to your one hundred percent right so i'll cook story here when we did windy fanton thought it's very funny somewhat were you there. I was not there actually no okay so we get into <hes> the the elevator to go up to call. 'cause you know they they had us out to everything we call an inning batboys for anything everything we're waiting for the elevator and a world war two vet a navy world war two vet like phantom you screwed up the words though and i was like fuck what i do i think i did did <hes> the bombs bursting in air instead of through air or whatever it's one or the other and from that moment forward i was like well. This sucks like i can't screw up the anthem so i write it out on a big big <hes> cardboard piece of cardboard before every rough and rowdy and i just put it up in the ring yeah yeah guess what i read the words because you know what i would rather be focused on the singing into words so they don't screw up before so that's an option for me. I could get a little cheater like s._n._l. Card out there one hundred percent actually people you should do. You should write it on the back of white sox pitcher with the flack but like you know. I don't trust what to do anything like that to sabotage waiting to happen like he's gonna walk away. He's going to be a nine hole in a hotdog while i need them like that. That's which is not going to go well. There's yet i think you should you should definitely right out the words you can have someone hold it in front of you and then you can <hes> focus focus on because i don't want to give us a little a little bit of it right now. I can give you the beginning. Oh say can and you see that. I the but here's what i'm worried about those so i gave you the first line right there. What i'm concerned about and is there any particular part where i you can count on my voice cracking so you that's we have to you have to practice it. You have to go through it because i actually when i do the rough and rowdy depending on how feeling i will started at a different. I think it's called octave. I don't even know like a different level. <hes> depending on how strong voices feeling so you've got to kind of test yourself and figure out where you want to start the anthem so that when you do hit that high note you don't you don't crack so you might want to start a little lower knowing that you're going to get a little higher it throughout the anthem okay so there's a lot of pre game preparation right here where we're going to draw some exes- an hour to see how i want to go out there yeah yeah so what else <hes> what else can i can. I give you tips. What do you recommend a partner like the first one you had dave with the symbols. Do i wanna symbols. Guy seemed to make you laugh. Do i want a little laugh or to this. Be a solo act. I think as symbols guy would really take it over the top from being honest bump bump guy yeah. Oh you're talking about drums yeah just like someone who could just be in the background bump bump bump into someone who could really add on to it. I guess i love back to. I love that too. I think we could maybe get like <hes> yeah. It's if we get in touch with a couple of things that might be marching band that have the drums and the cymbals have them. Come out and be your background. That would be unbelievable there. We go and then my my. I guess one of my final questions is what i'm most concerned with your mic. Stand guy or the hold it. No you gotta hold it. You gotta hold it because here's what happens a lotta times. You get swept up in the moment and you need to use your hands for theatrics. <hes> the one i did recently at the at the army base that one was just i had chills down my spine and i think i had a couple of theatrics in there so you definitely want to give yourself a little bit of movement ability and you're going to want to i would say wanna point to the flag right when when the when the flag is still there that's true. That's a good point. I was thinking like you got to. Are you consciously thinking about keep that grip on that microphone no. I'm kind of worried about that. You know what i mean no script. You got loose prescrip- bend your knees. You don't pass out would be funny if you pass out yeah. If i went i would just you know i i is it weird. I got rational fear passing out like just chipping a tooth or something well. You'll be on grass. I would assume so you'd be okay with that but you passing out with this the funniest video nothing. You should do it intentionally but i wouldn't hate if you just lock your legs if he didn't eat breakfast or drink anything beforehand and see what happened just went limp. I mean oh got up at seven forty five in the morning so i i don't know what's going to happen. Maybe some smelling salts so the other thing. I wanted to talk to you real quick about because i think you're gonna all this anthem i really do. I wouldn't have asked anyone else. <hes> i saw a tweet that you've never golfed. No never never i often like one scramble in two thousand twelve and i was like twenty two and then i i tried to golf two weeks ago with my buddies. We ended up having nine so willingly just pay twenty dollars and i got a cart and i just drove around drank and smoke cigars. It was great. What did you go to the along the lake the public course no we went to indian boundaries northwest side. It's like by woods though so you should never were golf guy. I respect that a lot of that because i used to golf a little bit but i never never really loved it. It was more out of well. What the fuck are you going to do on a saturday morning. When the cubs are out of town you know what i mean like one of those deals and like all my buddies golf so it's not like a thing where i i don't have an option to golf. I just you know what i think. I've become anti-golf also not just like in different i think anti because after we went golfing everyone made plans to to go out and do whatever that night. Everyone fucking dropped out. No one was alive at night. It was terrible. Yes that is definitely true. Although there is nothing better than the post gulf nat when you go out and it's like the sun is beating. Maybe have a couple of beers and then you get home at like noon one o'clock and and you take a nap and it feels awesome because you don't feel like a piece of shit. You actually went outside and did something all day. Wake up around four thirty and then you have your whole night. That's the best saturday right there. Yeah yeah couple hacks than you're just tired and you feel like you earned that nap on a saturday right. We don't do anything in eh golf. Naps great nap yeah. That's that's that's a good point. I guess it's a it's a well-deserved nice rounded nap but like i said i'm a big nightcap guy. When everyone dropped off with the nightcap i was a little disappointed so i think antic- yeah that will happen. That will happen so <hes>. I think you're ready. I mean it seems like the <hes> the amount of guys who signed up for harborside. It's going to be a fucking awesome event and and <hes> is <hes> is carl golfing in it. I think he's caddying if i'm not mistaken good golfer yeah he's a good golfer. He's kidding. I think white sox dave's doing the opening tee shot or something like that and forget chiefs role exactly but surely going to be a disaster but you know we'll wing it from their wait till you didn't have role until the anthem came along. No i didn't so this is actually perfect. Beautiful seeks thirty call time. They'll dan six thirty harbourside. That's like you tell me created. I'm gonna get up ticks o'clock in the morning to go sing the anthem and then you know be watching golf all day going to be a great amount of your golfing. Yeah that was good golfer. It would be a premier team. I think i just got. I realized i mean we're at the end here. We're about to wrap up and i finally realized that guy roux's into this whole thing so so yeah so dan thanks for coming. Thanks for you know to steal on my lunch money out of my hands and and i guess we'll see how it goes. I'm gonna hire vocal coach. Look for that video but yeah. That's <hes> that's for today. Thanks for coming on man all right. Thanks appreciate it. We'll see we'll see everybody tomorrow.
Episode 2: Why Tim Hortons is the newest coffee darling in China
"Joyless things five podcast, featuring wide conversations on the subjects that matter, business and management. Hey everyone, welcome to disadvantage of strategy lounge. This is Steve here today. We're going to talk about how Tim Horton leverage. Multicultural strategy to grow their brand globally. Discussed this subject, we're joined by why he the managing partner and Frank Zan to senior consultant, I level strategy group. So what and Frank, thanks for being here and welcome to this podcast. Hi everyone. Hi steve. Thanks for having me. Yeah, absolutely welcome to this podcast. So the first question I want to ask is, you know, Tim Hortons has gone into show. Hi earlier this year in February, and they have received very well on the Chinese consumer without having any brand awareness out there in China is a very competitive market now thinking back to win important announced their expansion, two thousand eighteen many Chinese Canadian were excited to see another Canadian grant entering the Chinese market of sharing their news and their friends and family through, we had a mini online platform, as a result important was able to gain, a Bren sending the trash and sudden exposure in this most crowded and noisy city like Shanghai in China. Why do you guys think that important was able to achieve that without having any brand awareness at all China before? Well, the popularity in Houghton has gained in China market can be very much largely contribute to strong royalty among the lien, which is the second largest visible minority in Canada, just behind cells Asian. So according to a recent survey invented by the Chinese research, and the logistics the sight, easy off Canada. Tim culture has extremely high Brenna winners almost ninety percent among the Chinese Canadians in the GT a along and also ninety three percent of the Chinese Canadian has visited the Tim Hortons brunch. Yeah, this is a harbourside true. Because when we live here, one of the import of everywhere. And one of the major consumer Nettie get is definitely Chinese Canadian so but to kind of give us a little bit example of what Tim Hortons has done here. Here to connect with their Chinese audience. Not what they have done in China. Can you give us Olympics ample? Yeah. Definitely Tim Hortons has been focusing on engaging with the Chinese community for a long time. So I'm not surprised to see the Brennan, wariness, and load is so strong. Among the Chinese Canadians in two thousand six team Horton's launched a campaign remembers called every Cup tells the story, I remember, one commercial that is about a Chinese Canadian family story between a father and son. The Chinese father was very strict to his son about putting his studies ahead up playing hockey and his later, the same boy is now a father cheering on his own son at hockey game doing the game. His father, the wa who was strict with him when he was young almost spectacularly shows up was to team horns double double coffee. And it is revealed at the end that the father has secretly attended his sons. Hockey games to watch him play all those years. This commercial emotionally resonated with many Chinese Canadian consumers like me. Yes, we saw the KOMO show too. I, I haven't, I honestly haven't seen that one. But it does sound like. During the Chinese Canadian was the hockey. And yeah. Air. Parents are not good at directly expressing their love to us. They don't say every day they care about is, and always look for us all the way in a very discreet way. And this is a unique emotion amount the Chinese Canadians and team captured that very well. So they're not selling coffee in that commercial coffee's not what it promoted. But the carrying a love of the parent who love does the solving, and this is example and this perfectly allies with Brent positioning gray. So I hear a lot of what you said here and being Chinese myself Chinese Canadian kind of growing. I agree with you. This is our culture for it's harder for our parents can express love directly. So from the example, what can you tell us about the importance of building data multicultural strategy in Canada? Because in Toronto in Canada is a very unique environment. We have cultures everywhere in the world and. No, we're not a melting pot in the US and everyone sticks to their culture. So what can you say on that how, how do brand build multicultural? Very good questions. So Frank near you have done a lot of climb projects. So maybe you can share that. Yes. Definitely, I think Canada, especially big city, like Toronto Vancouver is a very unique marketplace, like nowhere else in the world. Where the most culturally diverse city in the world. I believe, and as you said, before we're not melting pot people immigrate to Canada. They tend to keep their cultural practices, and this allows many brands like team hoarded to learn first-hand, how to think and create brand strategy that multi-cultural and one thing that I notice is that there is actually a lot of opportunities for the brand to learn the behaviors of the multicultural consumers, just by studying those consumers who are in those local markets and develop a strategy that's can speak to their values speak to their emotions and speak to their behaviors. And these are these multicultural strategies, first of all is important for the brand to foster deeper relationship with those communities, but also can help guide them get their global international expansion, Tim Hortons is the perfect example. Yes. So that is not very. True. Because, you know, this probably would not be possible ten years ago, where even five years ago, but because of the invent of internet because of social media, especially something like we were just travels organically, so I can definitely see that now I want to get back to the point of Tim Florence in the Chinese market, or even in China. So what vise would you guys kinda give them about now? They have kind of got a good Storrow ready. What would you give them to keep them moment? Him and keep growing China. Yeah. This is a very interesting question Steve. I remember many, many years ago, almost thirty years ago, I launched a sequence wine, cooler and. The market was so different at that time. And we did a lot of work, but still, I think the cells and the revenue wasn't good enough to keep the Seagram joint venture going in China market. So a thirty years later, and another great brand Canadian brand because Seagram is also a Canadian brand, and another gray Canadian brand, enter the Chinese market. And I think the market has dramatically changed since nineteen eighty nine when Siegel enter the market. And so I personally think they're opportunities they, they should be able to capture the first one is the, the booming China coffee market. So the coffee consumption culture is really growing in, in China market recently, especially among the middle class and the younger generations like Frank. Represent significant consumption potential, and with a strong EPA tied to experience global brands, of course, Vos markets. Now a highly saturated with many, many domestic international coffee brands such as Staubach's. There's a costal co coffees also very, very popular in the China market, as well, for instance in Shanghai the business between each Starbucks store is less than one hundred meters less than one hundred meters. You can see how saturated it is. So this high concentration of location and a well established reputation among is this thing brands will make very hard to Hortense to student walk share from the competitors. So the other thing is location location location, will be a cake. So. This is actually a very interesting. Think as I actually had conversation, just probably two days ago with Jeffrey tussin from Peking university, pretty much the same copy. It's luck. And so. I think one of the bigger opportunity here in China is China's growing market. But what he kind of said is China's also forgiving market many brands go. It's a very tough market Miniver and goals there. They don't succeed, but you can go back and do it again, in a market changes so rapidly. So I think this is really good point. You just made because even if Tim Horton does run into a lot of fishing, which day will be honest here, but they can learn along the way they can adopt to the Chinese caffeine the key here for. Yeah. That's right. And also think only clear proposition and having a very clear brand positioning is also very, very important. So, as I mentioned before the Chinese Canadian community is the second largest visible minority in Canada. And many of them for million is the Tim Hortons brand. What Frank just gave us the example. So the also have friends and families, in China that are frequently communicate wisdom's through the text messaging, what we use we Email phone cars, so there is a great opportunity for Tim Hortons to leverage, their existing brands strands, within the Chinese Canadian community and use this to better understand how to communicate the team holdings Brent in China. So we think a good place to start is to is by paying attention to which rational in emotional benefits, will resume was those Chinese consumers in the North American market within the reasonable budget. Those in depth insights, will help any brand understand the Chinese consumers even before the enter the China market, like the example of Frank GIS gave to us. So I think Tim Horton sprint positioning in North America is personality based positioning centered around a professional Canadian hockey player house Gilbert, Tim Horton, therefore, how the team hold his brand translates, this brand story and resume was the Chinese consumers will be one of the key factors will it's China market entry strategy. I completely agree with that. In fact, one of the key things for most for brands is not only to like you said to have a good understanding of culture and the Chinese consumer locally in China, as well as having differentiator 's such having the unique value proposition. And, you know, the biggest mistake any brand can making China's try to go in there. And to be a me too, which is. Not gonna work, but the other one is do you have any other kind of recommendation? Maybe Frank, you'll share another point about, you know, that they can do to sustain that competitive, and teach. Yes. Definitely. I would say, another recommendation, it's fourteen is to focus on the product localization. And also to keep an eye on the technology innovation in China, which was rapid rapidly growing from a product from technology perspective. I'm from Beijing, and I with it back home, at least once per year, every time it wasn't I was amazed by how seamless the customer experiences is with the help of technology in Canada. Team Horta had recently launched an app for customers to place the odor, and they can pick up in the store, but in China breath has done that years ago. Ready? And also the fast-food change, you know, like my Donald's, Kef see the Nollie have their own app by the also have a very close partnership was the third party ordering platform. There are millions in China and. Oh, so the food delivery, platform, and also, they also can enable their customer experiences through their social media platform. We talk about we had we not just a marketing communication channel for brands operating in China. They use that to complete entrance transaction so they need to create a very seamless environment for customers to engage with the brand from end to end and also another thing is payment Chinese consumers. They have already being used to cashless environment almost average transaction China and this shrew is completed by we champion Ali pay and team. They need to catch up with this trend when operating China and the last piece, I would say is about product, China has very reached culinary culture and the local customer, had developed unique appetite even though team in here cells Bego muffins. People love it. But if you do a study in China, I doubt every Chinese customers, trying to consumer, they will have big Muffin every single day. They probably have it as shreve or X exploration. But we need to as a brand who is in the food and beverage industry, you need to cater to this unique appetite international brand, for example, Donald has already launched local food items like Kanji, like soy milk for breakfast, chicken with rice, the Nuff rice. Brands it is important for consumers, too. Frequently come back to your store and the reconsider and they may try as I said before they may try those western food for try. But this do prefer local food on the regular basis. So this might be a challenge for team orders because I can tell from their nose. American Manu is, they don't have a lot of like customize items, so they need to their they need to partner was our companies or their local Aren D team. They need to develop footman news for the Chinese consumers. Yes. So I agree. If you look at all the company that status exceeding China's kissy, they have a local menu already have Kanji as they have just like you said, they have a very Chinese orientated, and if you look Donna, which we know is, is be focused being China. They're not chicken focus. So one of the key is to figure out what that mix plan. I think there needs to be a mixed playing just going to Chinese. All right. So the water and Frank again, I really want to thank you guys for sharing all these vices about building a global presence in this episode and things to all the listener for sticking to it and listening to this episode if you want. 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Friday 8/16/19 - Barstool Classic/National Anthem Review
"All right they may today is friday. August sixteenth chicago dog walk guests. The day is the host of barstools golf podcast four play and the founder of the barstool classic rigs. What's going on eddie. What's up man yeah. Thank you for having me so listen. If you listen to the episode yesterday you heard me talking. A big cat became kinda. We'll down the national anthem for me today. I wanna know like what's your review. What's your rating gimme everything. He got so let me ask you this. I know my rating review and i we're going to talk about it because it was. It was something it was awesome. I think everybody's very excited about. Did you like looking back. Do you have memories of it or do you like blackout and deliver it or well. How do you feel about it. No actually like i do have memories of it like i remember one time. I coughed because i was kind of losing breath. It's <hes> it's a little trick. You know if you're if you're if you're coming out of breath just cough if i catch that a video was awesome coffin there <hes> besides that i i had cue cards obviously 'cause bake. Everyone's giving me shit about that begets that it's okay he does does if a rough and rowdy. He's like it's important you know the words before like first and foremost it's a it's a zero issue that you had a cue card. I would say it's significantly efficiently and we got we got the contests are truly putting contest going on over here a little roar that you might have heard but i would say that it significantly enhances the the whole production of the performance formats that you've got that because it makes it real it's like hey. I'm not trying to act like i'm some professional regular. Who does this shit every week. You're like i'm up here. This is a big moment for me and i wanna make sure i nail in other words so i look for me. The fact that the national anthem at these things we've had his i'll do it a few different times so czar on knows the zimbabwe national anthem by memory but he doesn't know the star spangled banner my memory or at least he doesn't trust himself which is understandable because he's from fucking zimbabwe but what he stands there with <hes> the whole earaches written out and he just stares right at it and basically reads it in like musical tone and nails also every time so the fact that you had a guy standing ten feet away a bunch of people i put up the footage in a bunch of people were like yeah. I thought that i was taking pictures now. He's just hold the card for eddie the whole the lyrics to the star spangled banner but is very real man. It's like it. I would rather have that when have some professional musician come in and neyla. It's such a barstool feel. Everybody's laughing. They're kind of like rooting for you to get through it. Once you got to like the final couple stands everybody started like go crazy and cheer which powered howard you right through the end. It was awesome and that's good. It was nice to kind of. Get us going here a little bit. Obviously you kick it off with a nice speech kind of telling people not not to be assholes and everything and <hes> it's definitely a good way to go in so it's a it's a nice touch to add the anthem into whole his whole event but yeah i mean i didn't wanna. I more power to us. You know like you said he's in bob. Weigh-in is at what the is what's called. Yeah was on zimbabwean zimbabweans. I'm like that something like that. So he's that like he. He could look at the phone. I don't wanna do that so i went to s._n._l. Cue cards route. You know yeah you did go s._n._l. Which again it's good. I liked how big they were because when you were walking around this morning you were holding them and that i mean the n. p. Just said you legit aged. Just like oh say little on your fucking card in gigantic letters in front of your face when i when i met you this morning it was a good morning. How are you and your meeting other stories that are coming into play and they this guy's just holding the lyrics to the national anthem in front of his face so i like that. I thought it humanized you. I thought you nail that house big cat in his training and preparation. He was good. He gave a lot of good advice. I just went through it like a dig. At a mike stan no mike stan unlike any any point where the voice cracks and he was very helpful. I mean he's he's a veteran at this point like he might be an anthem singer like he could double down. It's like a professional. What was is your was your panic level win so for anybody you know kind of set the stage that we do do the little spiel beginning. It is a golf tournament i want. I'd tell everybody remind everybody. Hey we are barstool sports. I know there's a reputation. Everybody's going to have fun. Were drinking truly. That's what it's all about but at the end of the day don't be an asshole can't have people you will mess up. The golf course affected. They're playing partners. I give that little spiel and then i introduced the anthem singer and in that kind of like rushed little process there was as a moment where we throw the auks cord to one of the staff members. They play the little jingle and the tone behind you so that you can kind trying to nail it and you. It was off like that. He played it right away. You didn't have you weren't like your feet. Were set felt like and then you kind of did a reset walking like seven seconds ahead of me so like i when your insulin when you jump in new i jumped in the pool and the water was cold and i was just not ready. We're trying to catch up yeah you. I thought for a minute you're going to catch up and when you you know what i mean if someone's like read this from the sentence and they give you like a paragraph you don't know where to start. No i just don't know i mean you know whatever so so shallow to my guy carl who walks said no. We're starting this real like starting this over so he just restarts like the shutdown was huge. That was a big move. I i gotta thank him for that. Maybe by him a hotdog or something like that but <hes> he <hes> he shut it down. What's called though like back. It's like background music. It's like the basically you're seeing karaoke. It wasn't like there's no words but i don't know exactly how it's called the the whatever it is actually it was the it was the instrumental it was so that was all the instrumentals that was huge so a a couple of other hiccups i ran into were interned d._c. Who is holding the cue cards. His fingers are over a couple words <hes> so that was like you know i was kind of adjusting on the fly but you we know enough to know what's there. You know i was okay with that but that's tough to have to decipher because if you get slipped up then you your brain tells yourself that you slipped up up and then you're like oh shit. Can i recover and next thing you know instead of just barreling through it you're kind of like in your own head at that point kind of like what happened dave on fox the other day and he got all these metaphors and his little like slogans mixed up yeah last call in the bullet last got a bullet was a classic one then he mixed up and then the one that he said the other day was if i had had a nickel for every time. Somebody said i'd be jail. I'd be serving a life sentence which is just all time. He caught himself in the middle of it but point is like when your mind is racing you you get a little bit off. You get distracted under the gun like that. You don't know what the fuck is going to happen. So i felt good about it. It was it was weirdly like i have you ever given a speech like a bachelor or like a <hes> wedding earned the best man speech. It wasn't like it wasn't as <hes> nowhere near as dramatic or <hes> nervous is that i would say feels good to have the background music that kind of like direct you yeah for sure and once you had like are you did you when you gave your best management. Did you write it down so i did <hes> i you did a bullet point note card. Okay i had like seven bullet points that e- essentially got me because mine was. I wanted to tell stories. I didn't want to like read anything anything. I wanted to tell stories and obviously i had fucking rehearsed it and i knew and i had a certain way that i wanted to deliver. The stories like i re wrote all out but i didn't wanna have to reach something. I wanted to like make it feel natural so i basically boiled my whole speech down to seven bullet points that i would just not forget anything and then i just went through and read them but the reason i asked you at the beginning beginning. Do you remember even giving or delivering the national anthem was because looking back at my best man speech was and my dad my brother's wedding. I don't like everyone. I remember what happened through videos of it happening but i don't remember delivering no. I was same thing it was. That's where i'm trying to like related to that. It was nowhere near like that because like you just said. I think that's the way to go. You don't wanna read it off. You want it to more come from the heart but you could get no-man's-land very fast with bullet points so fucking easy. That's what scares so easy and you're just like man. Where am i know. There's a really cool thing that's going to say. It was so funny and on topic but where is it. You're digging your china like think back photographic ethically like on my fucking my word document where i wrote it out. Is it in there. Where am i and so it is tricky but i thought i thought the cue cards are good. I appreciate so you guys being very much into the classic. 'cause you know barstool chicago. You guys you're kind of out here in your tiny little office doing your own thing. Yeah exactly raise the classic for sure off. Thank you for having us out here and you know i. Let's talk about the classic a little bit so we're how many cities to do this <hes> this year so this year we're doing eight. <hes> stops eight eight. Qualifiers is really the best way to kind of <hes> label them so weird <laughter>. We you know i was very ambitious and i was like we should do ten or fifteen events events. We should do across the country. I want to be in california. It'd be taxonomy and this and that and barstool understandably so it was like it was the first time i've ever done this. We're gonna try to create the fucking golf tour nationwide. I think we should just focus on our dominant markets where we've been really popular for a long time. Let's do a couple in our biggest cities or boston new york you work. Let's make sure we do a couple. We know we'll sell them out there closer. They're easier for us to do. We'll knock him out of the park and if it goes well will expand next year so we're doing our we have have done to in boston too in the new york area one in philly one in dc one in chicago one in connecticut and there were doing the championship in <hes> <hes> in new york city jersey. Wherever you want to call it right across the street at liberty national and next year we will definitely expand will probably have twice many events. I wanna hit l. A. area or southern california hit northern california. I wanna hit scottsdale taxes. Florida atlanta saint louis my hometown and then hit a lot of the ones that we had this year. We'll probably have at least two or three. <hes> stops in chicago next year because this one he has made. I know there's this one sold out and i think less than an hour so this is the fastest is one the elliott yeah and the whole torso out in two days but the chicago stop legitimately. I think sold out in and out dude. I'm telling people in chicago. They just like to do shit like when it's summer time like you just it's a concert everyone's into it helps them with this summer friday you know 'cause i go out of them. This is the way golf course works especially the private courses like they don't want to give up their friday riday or weekend ti- times because that's what they packed the sheet. They don't need to sell a whole outing in in all at whereas monday or tuesday they do. That's why it's fucking you. Enroll in get had a better rate do events all that this one you know we paid a little bit more harbourside cool shit about it and they helped us mattis halfway and this summer friday adding. That's a huge part of the reason that you're chicago. People like to do stuff but you know i- harborside has thirty six holes. We're even talking about doing like two at the same time you you know basically filling out both courses that we have twice as many in the chicago area will have to kind of adapt format going forward for the finale and all that bullshit that none of them. Nobody really cares about that stuff except for me me but we're going to do were probably going to do at least like double or triple on <hes> chicago next year because it went that well. That's a that's a great idea so say the same parcels pretty happy happy with that very yeah. Bars was happy you know checks a lot of boxes right. It's like we're putting on events so it's kind of a whole new little vertical for us not new but it adds to our events events vertical. We obviously do rough and rowdy and we do you know a ballpark stuff and dave's made a he's built an empire mingling interacting with stories with fans and being a normal guy and going to the bar drinking beers people truly or whatever and so this check that box we get to hang out. We get to interact with our fans. It checks the box of like we could put on huge events people for stunned when they come to these things at how well it's ron which is a credit insane. I'm not just saying this because i remember barstool. I mean we're we're call. Workers are friendly. Whatever but it is insane. I walked in and i couldn't believe that they have a silent auction. Guy who has a fucking picture of michael jordan signed and it is six replica championship rings like i don't think you could get his restaurant silent an auction it the the kind of legitimacy that this whole tournament has like people would keep saying every time we go to do to feels like i'm gonna fucking p._g._a. Tournament torma their cameras there signing. It's not done tacky. It's classy team. I mean they work their dicks off. The amount of meetings can eddie is in man. We was down to and i always tell stories down to the color of the pencils pens right any golf. Course you go to you know you get the little wooden pencil there cool. I got the name of the course on the side of the tournament. Whatever so they i made all that sison. We'd have these fucking meetings with the design team with the merged team with the sales team with the marketing team with the production team with them. People not not even know fucking existed barstool sports down to the point where like all right rigs. You decided the pencil is going to be right now. What color would you like the script on the side of the pencil so to be and i was like i don't know what do you mean all the and and but that's how detailed there were an because the event it does it feels very real and to me like that was the main thing that i wanted to protect was like there's a certain in golf right. There's like a corporate outing type. Feel where you go out. You should get fucked up. Maybe it's a scramble. Whatever there's a charity outing similar type feel and then there's like a golf tournament right. It might be an avenue tournament u._s. Amador it might be a local amateur of mass amador illinois. Amit whatever that's like has a very real aw feeling and i tried to find something in between where it's like a member guests type feel where you know anybody who's listening who's ever been invited. I do remember gas type. Tournament usually cards the whole time you're drinking. You're having a good time. There's a banquet or dinner each night but the gos- also very serious. There might be a calcutta. There's might be the money on the line but people take the golf really fucking seriously and this tournament you could tell like we're still in the first hour or two hours of tournament. People take the golf really seriously. Nobody's fucking around like like you said. If people thought this is going to be a thing where people are hitting each other with golf carts or you know rain air horns and it's not like that at all but it is a nice hybrid where you know we got truly zantac doc in everyone's having a good time and they're taking golf syria so i'm thoroughly impressed with his rig so <hes> good on you. Man takes do and honestly golf so fucking different like if you're a big fan of football right. Don't go play football every weekend in almost any sport that there's not what you do even if you're a big soccer fan like you're not playing. You're not <music> out there playing soccer with your buddies alte. If you're big all famine you thinking about your golf swing every day. You're trying to go to the range. You're playing against your buddies for twenty bucks. Whether you're thirty handicapper capela five any cap or fucking scratch your care about your game and you wanna test you. Can you wanna compete man and like that's also also famous for people gambling because you wanna compete you wanna stack up. There's a handicap system. You can play against other people no matter how good they are and so why wouldn't there be there should be like a massive acid tour for people who take that seriously to go out and test their game and that's basically what this is putting competition here. That's seven hundred fifty bucks for the winter win. Seven or fifty fifty bucks truly puts up seven hundred fifty bucks for putting competition that thing has been electric the whole time because you know usually between five and ten people that make it throughout the day then in front of everyone afterwards and what we talked about people take the offer as seriously for the first part of the day and then a lot of teams. They start to shoot pretty shitty. They have a couple more drinks and then towards the afternoon afternoon. There's a happy hour. Everybody gathered around the practice green and there's a putt off all the people that made it. They're paying for almost a thousand dollars cash. They're putting for and it gets crazy. It gets heated heated and then there's the dude weiser's the closest opinion seven or fifty bucks winner of the entire tournament at the end of the year wins ten grand cash like there's a lot of cool fucking prizes ten grand cash i mean and come on by and how does that work everyone from all the tournaments out of all of them they whoever's the lowest uganda the championship so do we do top six teams from each one <hes> so so each one serves as a qualifier eight <hes> time six it's forty eight teams will make it to the championship. We have a couple of other spots in the championship for sponsors or for jake owen for example country. Musician celebrities are gonna play at a little gravitas sporanox here. Page brian kitts here. Today i had a little clout tournament so we might have around fifty fifty two teams championship abi chip winner of that whole thing wins ten grand cash which is and they get to keep the trophy until next year's tournament starts the trophy. Kofi costs us six thousand dollars. It's a the heavy trophy heavy duty. It is heavy the fact that spider carried the tiny. It's a two hander. You can't get what i've done. One him before can't jerk off for everyone and that's what comes with it because i wanna make sure like next year like if you miss out on this crazy especially go multiple events here so this year was three hundred bucks to get in <hes> you get at least one round of golf. You get open bar for the entire day. You get a swag bag which includes a <hes> leather scorecard holder which i you know cost only basically designed myself. It comes with a concert style t shirt with the courses logo oh on the front pocket t. and the back. It's like a concert style got. All the different stops comes with a ball. Marker is sick like ball marker. That's got a big kind of poker chips sized one. That's <hes> <hes> this this medal and it's got a releasable little mark in the middle and then it comes with a hat as well and then you get a chance to play two rounds the second one would be obviously at liberty national national. If you qualify you're eligible for all the prizes. There's a plated meal afterwards so you get all kinds of ship. That's great rigs. Thanks for doing this man all right. Thanks for having me man all right. That's it for today. Everybody we will see you on monday.
Batman Knightfall Part 9
"This episode of keeps some Lunatic. Sidekicks is brought to you by tweaked. Audio get awesome headphones. Get tweaked audio dot com and use the coupon code southgate get thirty percent off reshipping in a lifetime. Warranty can get there through the link on our website. Southgate Media Group DOT COM CA parrot annual listing of Take sidekicks podcast dogmas ally Welcome back podcast. I am bill joining the always should department. Now you're back for more night. Paul one four breaking pine four nine from July Nineteen Ninety. I laughing. I wonder who one of the VILLAINS IN THIS ISSUE PRETTY? I don't know last. I don't think I had to like relive all the sounds out. The joker laugh laugh though thinks yea when in doubt empowers harbor new So famine four ninety six cover fatman beating joker to pulp no worries sue. Robbie go strong. Yes how Apropos. So yes I laughing. Start off with the. Hey remember. Zoos. Burning Avenue Zoo enthusiasm was on fire. Who Don't never see her again. She's reporting from the zoo. Firefighters have it under control Batmans triumphant again as usual unavailable for an interview. The key on need that need that we are that we are Batman So the joker. The joker in scarecrow are still having their sleepover with other junk. Nope subtext there and also loved Cola. Is that the case. So even big belly burger roles. It's even the corn. Curls START THE CORNSTARCH K. Also I agree all around. I move but jokers. That's at our next phone. Call scarecrow what. We'll turn next phone call. Didn't you hear that you hear? That may be dead on his feet but in in perfect position to become that on his back. Okay I see the subtext there. I see Ya. I know that made me sad above. Okay check by the last three years. I don't know Oh glitz I feel like Shiloh. Above is probably the one that's out on the Out ON THE SHEET CHECK ANYWAY. All right all right opened this whole thing with joker in scare coaches like. I've never killed bats before. God His snot nose. Sniffling partner wants out will be back with four spoilers. Then the scarecrow after after joker smack in the face of potato chips says threatens fear gas he's like. I'm looking forward to it Sniff anything but yet. Bruce have like twenty suits in the trunk of Batmobile may Allah five in the trunk and then when he opens his closet like twenty more right lit up in a case in the bat very now Oliver Queen Ally era so he literally has junk in the trunk degrades to. Oh Yeah I have these in on that on the on the APP or I have all the music now and I can lean all these. It is literally labeled Kona Button now Patriot literally own bud. so yeah the cops trying to get this issue will a red trench coat with a purple suit will do a yellow hat. Is He colorblind? I don't know going on lies. Hardy amounts broke. Your heart agree Jane as your favorite Drink Joey. Heart Harvey Joker scarecrow rose. At the mayor's house. Yeah so the feminist we care about near like just like lane or whatever that man had to. Bsa Bullock from the booby trap. You tell US getting haggard made some five o'clock shadow dark who so yet. Joker joker scarecrow go to the middle of the moon. This tunnel own Arafat's laughing. Yes type you one of those wacky gags psychotic so I mean they're gonna well if they got a rocket launcher joker rocket launcher. We'd seeking missile. Look at that. Oh yeah someone said subtexts alert so someone's envious of Batman Dam use on people. Don't get your hopes doesn't cut me too. So yeah just jokers wielding his Envy Big Bazooka Iceland. Basically caving in the tunnel both fans Hayden cougars. Kiss carefully hail. What's going on man? What's going on of the Come up with the subtext button. Nemo were third like gas in the Mayor. Again in the cobras already on the mark. So yeah so they gas. The mayor told the call. Commissioner Gordon Bullock would happen the Batman Happen Montoya locked me out at death spor. It's not it's okay. It's okay to right out of death store. Seven bullet right now. Exceeds appeared in the animated series. And stuff at this point. They probably couldn't kill me if they wanted to like archie bunker. Worst air but yet. Tollbooth tollbooth explosion. Harbourside entrance to Gotham rubber tunnel. But they actually have the National Guard in this world definitely. Don't I guess yet? 'cause the mayor Coralie there for one. He's apparently keeping his people from China. It National Guard. Bognar is is we get it. You ever stop watching. Tv Dog Zero. Oh you're saying he wasn't patient he was just addicted to TV Rano Browse Gringo. What is his TV speaker. So yes. America says laugh Before the serpent's kidney like do Simpson told you that. I was literally taking a drink every time he said back. The Kid Burns. Traffic backed up for six miles his meal of that. That's nothing like Ford says says who might beer call from traffic? Oh I'm so sorry it's order who my cocaine. Thank you sir. Yes the joker care combined. Wealth chaos with more disciplined. Nicot take city. That's the beauty of the rogues lewisite. Watch them burn although Gotham Burns itself. So it's just like how many times have you get puppy at that point. How many times is the joke even said that he's like you wouldn't know what to do without you. Hardly have allergic mouth so subtle. Some texts bird figure that Batman will stop them better because once he gets through that tunnel he runs our gauntlet with those things sticking on the back of his head. I must be weird choice or that all late in playing. I mean. He's got that ingrown ears that would make more sense besides raked the brain would like if you have like a thing like jacket right into hearts the heart which is instantly pump it through his body created between. Chuck Dixon every chuck. Dixon here design. Yes I wonder if there's too much creative input maybe yeah. Yeah the idea. Yeah yeah it gives them things. Pack was head. Yeah you mean the Good Old Florida. Get along to get along you know how. Maybe you know those those back conferences. Who knows what is going on. Oh created by Chuck Dixon. Doug mentioned Graham Nolan. We're GONNA BLAKE RAMS so two writers artists you throw to writers in an artist in a room. That's what you get Linda Dogmas Zero. It went complicate. We don't do. They don't be so. Yeah the COP shop. The tunnel wrecks of cars. Oh my God lake what words offering frigging our fout razzle here show Yeah page fourteen pillow had cops like what are we do commissioner after we whole tactical team at that fun house you know the tunnel might the Trough. Batmans like. I'll attract traffic end. The mayor's life went for Gordon's say so some time if you let them lay have the near. I'm just saying wealthy family cares about the Mary. Stop Joker scarecrow. I don't put will take. Were not been intrepid before burn stoned. But I love Tim. Tim Stuck into Newark Cave. At least you stop the ridler. Yeah when Batman finds out. I really had it nosy. Have too much on his mind. That brute love after love only has another issue. I don't think she shows up. Yeah the where you'RE GONNA BE PLENTY. Hurson uh-huh yeah 'cause yet scarecrow gases Bruce and of course his biggest fear is you know death of Robin So Yeah Batman still takes off the scarecrow and then Jesus looks looking for. The joker appear on scarecrow In scarecrow jokers taunting. The mayor with a baby rattled Snakes are his worst fear told Batman. What punches through like in the booth or something so Yup Punch through the glass scraps way to keep your eye. I know he's been gas. But we will keep your identity bruce because he's grabs joker his face and joker to knows identity forger screaming Jason Policies and Todd Jason Pawn. I mean although unless joker just think that's one of fifty million people he's killed. I mean probably Jason Jason insight kicking really care that much about Lord knows you did but okay your reuss short. Aren't we all know? He was listening to red headed stepchild. I don't Care Oh he kicks them right in the clown car. But then you know means business once you once you get one of those haymakers and slash page. We've got Sean. I'm just saying easier old. The next deal. I mean. You're the expert. That's not one of those. Don't keep punches relieve junker down. I wrote Beating Joker will never forget what? I'm saying Gas made him sees greatest. Fear only made him mad as you dusk. Why no plastic poop being but yet but during the time of the bombing gobble gobble ringtone. Got Big units but Of course these maniacs rushing off missile launcher in a tunnel under the river. Because I guess what's coming through the river I go the jokers like you can stop us or save. The mayor is opponents. Think he's right. I can't do both Montana's condition school. Wow Wow wait which you so. Yeah that me grabs the mayor just as the water comes pouring in new harbour new. So we're so close one issue between US detective issue. And then it's you know what's coming Boy Reich for you. Want the joker by Arias leading. Break everything in the whole night just about. I think this one okay. This was the first one guy. The I scare younger went up more because people don't team up with joker for long you know I wouldn't mind. Scarecrow dying coming back again But later on a beach comeback separately. In mookie by jean-paul unbelievably. So but both I think they both. I think they both get three reporters to the top dog. We we hate him so much. We know what What you're working with here. Though man every choice I liked me to hate the history. It sorry y'all but it was. That era DC thought. They had a formula. Go you know. This was their reign of the supermen. It was like I appreciate something different. Ability did drag on too long. They tried to spin out so many things energy Hearing will reign of the Superman. But I'll say at least with rain in the Super Magnum. Four different supermen who each one like their own. Both Jean Paul. It was like three books. Jean Paul Yeah especially who forgot but especially for a guy who I you think Bruce Wayne brutally crap and he literally has he literally just lived in the cave. He'd even go upstairs or anything. Nothing no I mean. We did get a cut. We'll we'll get couple storylines with bruce you know tracking down. None doctor plot device following clues the artwork. I thought story moved. Pretty Dang fast actually the buildup comebacker this. I thought ours is. I mean unless they were just wait. You know they're like okay okay. We're almost there so yeah. Let's pull the punches known slowdowns giving going. I'm surprised that doesn't let up either side site. I'm surprised what happens at four. Ninety seven didn't happen in five hundred surprised at this point. So we go. Hey I'm surprised he didn't combined you know everything that happened in five hundred plus the whole thing. They don't get ahead of the crash. Why did we do? Do we think as wanted to splash at fancy new suit. All over multiple covers a five hundred. I'm trying to think I mean reign of the supermen was probably first but this was probably another like one of the Earth for early versions of variant covers where there's different covers for five hundred. There was a fancy cover. A regular cover it. One of those holographic there might have been a holographic cover enough. There is one Jean. Paul Horn Bain Bain or something. Yeah that sounds an earthy. There was one is just jean-paul standing there. And it might have been like a to cover thing where it was like Bruce Online and then Jean Paul and the other yeah I swear they did at least two or three covers for that thing which these days would have got twenty four hour. Cover whatever by. Oh Yeah. Speaking of I mean probably that first week but diamond says there are coming back. May Twentieth. Okay okay glad that you know they figure out even though you know long anyway I was talking to my. I was talking to my guy at the store today. I mean 'cause I said our exciting new like those of other distributors were sent out these folks like like the Nathan comedies. Like no he. He's waiting for diamond. He said I mean. I don't know what's going on. He was like security is like I want to be surprised if he gets sued for attracts. But you know Yeah Jeanette break the the and has come up. But they're saying all bunch of the stores closed so that's why they didn't ship out books you know but like my guys even say to like family we will you will. You will come through seriously. We will. I was going to. You got a lot of the smaller glitz that were whether it was digital or stores. They did it so you know Mike. Guy Was saying he keeps. He's waiting for diamond. 'cause I guess to to distributors use it I mean what are they few mid mid pound or something midtown comics some like my God. I'm not going to support a competitor might blow in DC space all distributors. I think gets is a D. C. B. S. I think that's what they said. I just find that funny because like forget it. D- CBS. While that's not apropos. Name I do Kinda WanNA support people kind of breaking away from down in you know in. It's been no innovation on this. I mean as much as everybody supposedly hates the idea Amazon having been kind yeah a legal channels probably up go through these was just like Winnie that. That's not a shocking. Acc is pretty timid about the Fallible whole probably been less than unless they're gonNA argue. Oh Hey diamond breach contract. I don't think has money. Rc clear who are bigger here. But I didn't read it yet. But the Batman. The the adventures continued number. Three came out this week so I like him but I don't know I just bring back. I saw that it makes me things idea revived the Spartan and we present rights guy. Season didn't happen and again. It's a Conroy here. We still got him. And it's like you know this thing's going to do ratings or you know even if they put on a streaming service not pay for it you know people are GonNa pay for it Acl IN VEGAS. Little doubt. Obviously the kids they grew up with that are growing town. And everybody's mugging justice dark chocolate is it a Side War apocalypse. Loria did you watch it yet? Units Merle almost nutty things about it so would you shopping utterly shocking? Isn't it one of the last few? Nudie of I've watched but I thought the wife of people were talking about it being the last one in continuity or something. This is the last one I thought there was one more. I don't know I thought her. Spoilers a hundred characters get killed and stuff or getting messed yeah I know a Lotta a lot of heroes. Don't have speaking Murray like it's raises. I'm curious to see what's going on with that yet. 'cause I was almost GONNA say hey. Should we do this for capes this week instead of our x? Men Plan but that's kind of bring on Charlie though to vote true if you maybe we can do that. We have one more week. We can do that. Flash On Woolsey or should we wait till it hits blu-ray on streaming reading. It is extremely but yeah so yeah. Amazon. Groomer WASN'T I you. Sitting there are and then what do you. What do you mean to earliest bringing on Charlie's the king of streaming remember full stream ahead are Napa biggles streaming? Not a lot of them. I do is too many of reviews. Get One more. Sorry igla-s out all the recess recession by the head. What if his company? They said they gets the work on. What if at home not interested? I usually impudence doing. I'm sorry just so good. It's the best thing he has done for our award is. I will tell you that in that answer. I think it's one of the best things ever for star wars fight me nerds for merchandise like I'm so jaded I don't hear I call it your story. Yeah it needs a couple of reasons. There's subtle things in their issues of the Batman. Action that man. I really wish they would focus more months way. Evan bullet yeah I see. Is One liners. Oh I I think it was just the timing. Because she's bran nukes. He just introduced early. Animated Series At. This point says author. Wait and see where the animated series. We're not is welcome for a while your books like pre-crisis and then like he disappeared for a while and then they brought him back. I'm thinking maybe because he was on the animated series also using real. No I think wasn't he working for like was a checkmate or somebody in Rehab. He was enough bulk like checkmate had a bulk radio. I think I remember that. I think like right after crisis. Maybe let's like I might have read one issue without or something somewhere but yet looks that don't remember that or found. I think it was one. I think it was one of those crossovers. What was it like checkmate suicide squad? Captain Atom One of those things average set me checkmate Mua slaughter. Like I said I've read like one or two issues. I just think I just read the accidents part of across. Oh my God I feel so old right now I just realized smiles old old Chevro- almost twenty years. How well when it started. How it's it's like ten years since it ended anyway anyway so yes so like we said next two weeks. GonNa we taking a break off light bulb because recovering the season finale of flash followed by the premiere star girl. After it gives you your homework reading. That's right so read up Ray. 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Medium, Mirrorless And Megapixels
"In the world of digital photography we have the three M's medium murless and mega pixels mm-hmm. Thanks so much for tuning in for another episode of Photography Radio. My name is Tom and today you are listening to tack as take in with. Ko where he covers. What's new and interesting in the world of photography including digital analog mobile and everything in between enjoy? Can you imagine your life without photography. No then you will love this show and it doesn't matter better if you're a DSL are a mirror `less for a mobile phone shooter. We're here to help your photography grow. This is photography radio. Hello the one. This is Takeo and happy he Friday. Welcome to talk take which is my take on. What's new and interesting in the world of photography including digital analog mobile and everything in in between and since this is the first episode of this segment like to thank you so much for joining me as well as supporting this brand new photography radio podcasts? Along with my colleagues Keren Erin all laugh and Tamar so. Let's start now in the world of digital photography and we have the three M's medium murless and mega pixels and the world of medium format since Fuji Film entered this market back in two thousand seventeen. Nineteen it's really pushed the other manufacturers to innovate and to evolve and we can see that with phase one they have the brand new x t Madre Camera System System which includes the new Q. Four digital backwards S. hundred fifty mega pixels and they claim it to be a full frame medium which is not exactly accurate because the smallest medium format during the film days was six five and this is I think fifty three by forty so it's getting closer but not yet full full frame but I get their point but one hundred and fifty megapixel. There's quite large but of course foodie film does have their brand new fax one hundred which has one hundred megapixel mega pixels not only that it has decent video as well as in body image stabilization. And of course Haussa Blad is not going to be left in the dark. They also have their your brand new modular camera systems as well as the update to they're very popular x one D now mark to phase. They didn't push that beyond on the original fifty mega pixels which is great because I think for digital medium format that is a really good size to work with moving onto murless it also includes the Megapixel side because murless because of the medium format being pushed two hundred hundred and fifty mega pixels and they're also targeting targeting the high end diesel arm and the murless market murless thirty five millimeter or full frame or not pushing their megapixel op so the brand new like S. L. to and its sister camera the S. one are has forty seven mega pixels and we know as well Nico with his at seven and as well as the Sony a seven or mark three. They're all now pushing closer and closer to that fifty megapixel point which of of course they are targeting the high end market that. Perhaps they're deciding to move up to medium format and they're not going to let that happen and so they're pushing. Those mega picks was up the S. L. to is the most video centric like camera that the ever created and being new players the Panasonic. It was very smarter them to use the like amount to go into full frame airline and now that has the other manufacturers scrambling and of course we have a new player in the full frame. Market Sigma with their F.. P. which is a very unique camera it is a modular full frame using the LEICA. elmont again and so they are targeting video shooters they have quarter twenty threads both on the bottom and the left and right side and the way the marketing you can see that it is video centric camera although you can shoot stills holds great to see all these new players to help to evolve evolve the murless market and not just kind of carbon copying. What Sony has done with their full frame? Mary Louise as well as having Nicole and cannon entering into the market and we can even see even in the crop sensor the sensor because see that mid range of the fifty from Nico the m six Mark Tooth from Canon. Bannon hasn't been around for a little bit but it's evolved over time and the Fujifilm x t thirty and we can also include the Sony. A six thousand type series is that that is also become more competitive than it was in the past and we see that there is a market for this mid range murless market and now going to talk about mega pixels house. We could see that everything's kind of shifted upwards before the full frame was about twenty four mega pixels and other than specialized cameras like the a nine in that really focused on high speed as well as low light performance twenty megapixel seems to be the realm of the crop. ABC Censor the full Roemer. 35-millimeter Salema seems to be pushing toward fifty mega pixels and as mentioned previously. We see that meeting format now pushing up towards one hundred and one one hundred and fifty megapixel so whereas all leading for me. Personally I think a lot of US photographers. Don't need one hundred fifty or one hundred mega pixels. I think that twenty four Megapixel for a pse is great. I think anywhere between thirty six and fifty is great for full frame thirty five millimeter and so everything shifting upwards is not necessarily good or bad thing just remember that things are being pushed upwards. We have to upgrade your memory cards upgrade your memory and you computers as as well as your storage solution so just means a larger files high resolution. I think a lot of us aren't printing and so this high resolution is not necessary Korea. Unless you're upgrading your monitors while up to eight K which even one hundred fifty megapixel you're going to have to back off and the image bitsy the image on your eight K.. Monitor so that's in the world of digital so move onto analog in the world of analogue photography also very exciting Ilford Kodak as well as Fuji Foam announcing new products ofered announced is the fifth generation multi grade paper the paper as well as their isolated Ortho film in both one thirty five and one twenty formats promising very fine grain and it's the sharp Ortho chromatic black and white film so that's awesome as well as Kodak. They have the extra chrome one in one thirty five that was announced couple months back and they did say that the one twenty is going to be released in the fall and we're in the fall now approaching winter so hopefully we'll see that it's being Beta detested around the world by various photographers. But I really want to get my hands on this act to chrome one twenty now in a backwards move for Fuji Film Zone which I hope will be a forwards move across one hundred which is a very popular black white fine grain film. That Fuji had made aide. They had quietly discontinued it probably around last year when they ran out of the last sort of roles of it and they probably saw the increase in interest interest as well as sales of the crows and so they decided to create version. Two and it will be released in Japan. It's been announced both one thirty five and one twenty on November twenty seconds. If you're in Japan or anywhere near there I would recommend to go over there and buy up as many as you can and really let them know that that people really want to see new films or even all films being resurrected and globally. They there's no announcement but I have a feeling that will probably be coming out sometime in time in early spring or maybe late spring so those of us that don't live in Japan will have to wait staying on the subject of film and Kodak if you actually go to Kodak Dot Com and under the motions action. Go down to shot on film. I thought it was kind of NEAT. Seeing all the recent movies that were released that were actually shot on on cinema film and so the movie the Irish with with Robert De Niro as well as ad Astra Brad Pitt shot the old school way using cinema film. But I thought this was quite unique and unusual as sensory is right now now on Netflix. That was directed by Spike Jones and produced by Jason Bomb was shot using a super sixteen film. which is a very unusual usual film format choice and sold the producer Jason? Mom this is what he said he said. Shooting on film was an idea from very early in the creative process. Says we didn't want to record a typical Netflix standup special with standard coverage and a fleet of four K digital cameras. Film allowed us to create something that felt rough and unpolished specifically sixteen millimeter allowed the image to have a little more character and texture than thirty five millimeter. It really felt like a throwback to an older approach of recording live events. And what film did they use specifically or they used Kodak Vision Three five hundred color color negative films seven to one nine and it was pulled one stop raided Eyeso- to fifty. Now those of you that know me. I love vision three by vanity. which has the ramjet layer removed and relabeled as cine still eight hundred T? And that's a beautiful film and I would say even if you don't care about comedy only specials even if you don't care about net flicks go check out the comedy special right now and you can see that aesthetic. That is so beautiful saw so I thought that would just bring that up as something as pointed interest for those of you that not only are interested in cinema but as well as in film Moving to mobile photography to me this is where a lot of the innovation and the excitement is happening within the photography round Perhaps you don't like using your smartphone as your primary camera like many I enjoy it but it's not my primary camera but in the mobile field such as software software. Photoshop is now available for the IPAD. And now they're updating light room which had an issue of importing raw files directly into the APP. And that's going to be fixed in the near future and being able to process to ingest process to edit images to do batch processing while on the go really is the future of talk for many types of photographers as well as videographers and so seeing this innovation happening within. This mobile field is really exciting. I'm even seeing multi-cap era and really unusual technology. For instance the Zalmi the mean ten has one hundred eight megapixel a sensor on a three quarter inch size sensor five cameras in the back one cameras and in front now what people might think. This is ridiculous to have that much mega pixels. We know that they're using some some hardware and software trickery to get that type of megapixel count but really it's showing the innovation in this field having having five cameras than back for instance at various sad folk Lang's that's something that maybe can manufacturers can look at. Perhaps someone like Sony can actually have a double bull lens system with two crop. Sensors side by side and then be able to use computational photography that is already in the expo three with the HDR. But that's really the backbone bone of mobile photography but having to Lens Mount Camera using two different sensors even having two different lenses of different focal lengths and using computational photography it not only create HDR but to be able to create panoramic or maybe even one camera shooting and then the second one shooting right after it and then going going back and forth and being able to have crazy F- ps type photogr one hundred FBI's and some of these things I think are really is possible. If the innovation nation is being done on the harbourside from standard manufatures and I think a lot of them can learn a lot from the mobile world. We saw even with the IPHONE. Eleven Kevin pro during the keynote that software manufacturers like filming pro showed how they can have all four cameras working for lenses working in Susan to to record the same time and again that will change the way video work and again I said this is really where the innovation is happening. And I'm excited. I want to see a lot of this being learned by the major manufacturers and implementing it into their cameras and every episode as close off. I WanNA feature a photographer. That's doing something unique interesting or newsworthy. And for this week my very first episode I WanNa Focus on David Burnett now. He's an award-winning four journalists and he showed up at the. US House impeachment hearing with his film camera which that in itself sounds quite unique but not only a film camera. It's a four by five. Large format aerial liberator. Now he ah was a canon shooter for many many years he's GonNa fall journalists for fifty years. He recently switched to Sony but clearly he had a sense of humor by showing up with with this wooden sheet film camera on such a historic event. And perhaps maybe that is why he decided shop with this camera. I did reach out to him via instagram as well as twitter. I get back to me. I'm sure he's very busy switching film as well as processing these images in his darkroom but it would be interesting to know what film he use as well as his exposure was and I'd be interested and I'm sure you will to actually see the photo that he actually took so if you WanNa follow Hello David Brunette on Instagram at at David Burnett Photo Spelled F. O. T. O. or on twitter at at David B.. Three the eight three so give him a follow follow his career years a youtube channel as well so I think he's an interesting fellow and perhaps one day we will interview him. And so that's it for my take on news this week. Thank you so much for listening and thanks for following us you can follow this podcast on various platforms on Apple. We'll podcast spotify. You can even have it as an RSS feed or just go to the website at at photography radio DOT com. Thanks for listening guys and we'll see you next week. Thank you so much for tuning in today heats up stripe on your podcast APP. It would mean a lot for us to have our regular listener head over to photography radio DOT COM to drop your suggestion for future editions of photography. Radio you're all simply to say hello. We would absolutely love to hear from in the meantime have a wonderful light and we will be back with more photography in your ears. There is so.
405: Gardeners Questions Time, Part 2
"This is show listeners questions part two of two if you haven't haired de steps owed then go back not last week. But do you four on listen to them first? Because if you don't this part will make no sense. And if you're subscribed an IT tunes are Spotify are wanted them when you come back here. This should start to play from this point. You back. It's great is gem decide show. Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the sod so garden podcast. So good am. I appreciate why proper broadcasting houses wouldn't allow what may be deemed professional bits and bobs air. So if you're gonna make a boo boo things. How do I phrase better? You can I don't pretend to be the BBC which is impossible or you can just be yourself. Which is what we do. Unfortunately, I still this is a sensually. Here. We go question which says how did you start is his landscaping? But actually don't want to hear that story. I wanna hear how you saw at Godman just because you never mentioned it before. How it started gardening? Is this take question actually, the Christian was how he's not landscape much just wanted to hear the story underneath the bed. Plants mean. Because you mentioned it down again. That's the mic take jokes. And. I said before I actually have it here. Hold on Optima desk book. I I read a book gun. I still have my library to this day. On its nineteen twenty seven book written boy, called hate speech. Thomas. On the reason why bought this book not of smear nineteen twenty seven east of an old book sale OPD near where where lived on Cyclo pan bike. They were really good garden books advice in the most technically far superior, Don I'm eating I could buy in Dan modern day bookshop, but it was technical. But you could also understand it on. I don't know why they have such great gardening books. But dude our side. It is didn't come with black and white photographs or color photographs to Kane with Han. Join 'lustration under don't call ten or twenty p. House. You've got fifty. Tree books. It's amazing. So about this. But I used to quote, a talk recently in the one thousand nine hundred twenty seven book by h H Thomas called an easy. Kite gardening on page sixteen. He says commenced by digging the ground to foot deep. So it did and are planted the seeds in the bump modest trench. I'm filled the whole thing in on. There were two seats. So did never saw like day, or at least I waited until I hope in a way, of course, did never did boob seeds did grow on top of the fresh. She took soil. Sure, Dan, I had to try and identify the seeds were on the top level of soil, which I didn't know where not radish. Boy did know which ones where. On that was due. Kickoff of on at the same token that the plants bed is true story, but it would have had cock tie and secured, some bits and bulbs grown. I think it took them from Derek Carr's. Mom found him on a put them on top of wardrobe Hardiman the base of old Coca Cola plastic at balls on when I put the water in at to the top because couldn't entirely reach topped awards ovo on on the edge of a bunk bed now to thinks occupied same space at same time etcetera. On the Compostable water would come down the top of my my brother's close. So I took the matter Darren put them down into Madonna garbage which hot the tree windows over the top on the set of double doors for park, my car on of course, upon start leaning towards light. And so by six years of age could identify. Plant weeds, mainly Boyd or seed lose. And I knew what photo trope is a moss. When you don't know what is something is. By the time. We want to get or. Answer. Think's fair bit to go to the index of a book. I'm trying find. Unknown name for what is the pop leaning towards the first garden aged nine addressed this history. Guys, those, you know, don't don't. Took about design quickly, would you ever consider design a Chelsea flower show garden, and if not why? Ahtsts? Tricky question. I think I would be foolish to say. I wouldn't consider them one. There's a lot behind the scenes to make an Chelsea flower show garden. If you removed garden itself under design and construction of you just take that out of it. The amount of work that goes into making that happen with a benefactor in place. Or a sponsor is day are now. On. I think primarily. Chelsea will have tree tick boxes for you to enter is design. Good the full it. Look good on paper. How few built or somebody who is used to build gardens? Your contractor on primarily before that starts. Have. You got the money to make it all happen would at the money that picture stays in your head on the contractor doesn't get out of it. Somebody came his said, we've got a couple of hundred thousand we'd like to give it to you would I be able to get there. Yes. How they actively gone looking for a. Partner to do to know will. I don't know. I'd be honest with you have not really given which taught that it's not that. I don't see see myself below or over on power. That's for question. I think it's just a case of. If gardens missions for Chelsea are granted by bit September time to the second week in September. You would want to have here design's pretty much everything else ready by the January February or March two year. And so when you den take in sponsor bit of it that's gonna happen almost here before because you can't design the cartoon unless you home, which when he got to spend, and this your take gold which case what did she say to me? She dating ground numbers out. I did she was joking, of course. But she was repairing to one that she did think it was in seventeen or sixteen which went up a couple of stories, but doubtless self-funded. On you talk to Kate. You'll realize that hired it is. Yeah. So yeah. Bit too. That's plenty of best one on the good things. You'll put Cossack she shows his the behind the scenes vessel thing. Hotlanta not from listening to you about cost. But why she goes on on kind of the? Thinking not everybody knows. You don't just go to bed site tinkled start building the garden next week. To decide show listeners. I think are pretty clever Boonchu I'll go back to what I was saying that when you decided to hold Hans with the sod show prestigious subscribe bulleting, we're we're kind of embed to get our we're in on the journey together. Your listener on the microphone holder dare to dawn dare to the what makes it and mazing brilliant. Or I think some will put set curtains to an extent, maybe I don't speak listeners behalf. But I think that's what warm stem to Kate, for example on a tink. It's also what makes that interview on the next one? Or a preferred dot one more again, the fact that she chooses to give me that answer. Is something I've no control for nor white gold product for. I'm not news reporter, I've said this before to people who are new to the such coming on coming on as a guest. I'm not question time politics radio. I've nothing to gain. It's just a conversation. It's been one or two gardens and dared at were done at Chelsea in two thousand eighteen dot Werff. For charity if I remember correctly the epilepsy. One in particular. You know, realized the amount to people who got together to make dot garden. Hop them. I want you read her story, you sit barriers not to take away from the design or garden. Ninety eight ninety of them will wanna read you. Depend them Cates. Or somebody else is always reads about to be EMC us some Oscars award ceremony, and such and such and such as being a promoter of horticulture designing and working in dentistry for twenty years. Look at this cake that just popped out the microwave on it. Never. Ever anybody who takes a folk some rapport Murray twist, supermodel, I don't know takes a photograph themselves, so sticks it out and Instagram would sold them love life, quote at the bottom you have arguments on garden bills. I've done the show gardens as you. Well know Jimmy brought you to wrong plant stem broke under puts. But that's what makes show garden in the Maysan. And that good to hear that from guests, which wouldn't go on baby say, you will even hey. Generally will have written down in a magazine with that. When you're a radio DJ. On your told to interview X designer. I'm one Hans then there's only certain to questions you can ask on a very beautiful where did you get the inspiration for your garden? How did you get into gardening? What do you see yourself doing in after seat twenty eighteen or Totten twenty seventeen whatever the case be because ducks all of two questions to Connah's give when you give say radio deejays for one for better term. But when he radio DJ, John light, nor a. With some picket or whoever is Iraq star. You like then they're able to say, well, we'll here's two questions to the no hip toss. Because I was in the bond with those sixteen in the know have teams go wrong. No, what makes number one hit a no undertones and John peel that story heard bonding boat because I wanted to get into radio. And that's what you do on a Mike case, I'm probably a bit free conduct. This thing that I do in expect time people seem to like it on I don't entirely get it because it's got so many correct things about it. But then people seem to like that as well. And I'm going nuts post two dots. The way it should be done. There's that. There's lot student properly over there, but we know to build garden, so I won't accept when people say to me, oh, we built it. And it was it was followed yellow brick road journey him. I don't bite up on. No it build gardens property, and they don't think it goes, all plain sailing. I'm not trying to find anything that goes wrong ever is said to not question time. But I don't think he can pull the wool of Musar as a set. Tim Richardson about his book. There's a reason why just saw chosen interviewed two authors. Deceiver him Tim Richardson on Charles doubting. And that's because some of the books that I've read are things that I won't recommend people put their hunting through pocket Pulitzer hard earned Koch and spend it on. And if they did do it it just turn around and go Donnegan Uram more on your more on you told us to buy this. You gave us jumpers new closer to Charlotte mew soldier self for by. Donuts dude off on I'll go back and say it's a chat with people who have very good qualities about before they come on. And so because of get becomes quite niece. He job to have a conversation with somebody who knows that, you know, your shingle on your on a level on right here. I think that's probably what makes it work. I think so. We got some good questions. I go some both questions. So get free them cats or dogs dogs custom creams digestive. Biscuit, never digestive on on custard cream. Always bite. The top layer off scraped coaster the middle Danny Dubov crocodiles in that. Offs. No, the Beatles or plants off. Wow. She Stein has to be the. Clone. That's like say, you can all know to ask me not slowly again. Off. No, yeah. The Beatles bull clowns. Jesus. Lots and. On church. Duda on me. People in a night brother feed in our slow farm all of my life. And it was born on arsenal. Household. On on the Beatles. I think when I was six or seven vinyl player in our bedroom on lots chipped in. At the time. Tony Jackie dumping performed. So they're six five five at five siblings. Then they chipped in got me Beatles. Final tink was accomplish in regular rock and roll music funding one, and I still have to to this day sadaqa, put dot context. And then if I was sick cop plots, that's the hardest question we met dot is to her and cut and heat cliff Robichaud and Juliet see Hoshi leans that cheek upon Han esque question, are you have ever had in my lifetime. I'd I'd probably have to go plants, and I now feel guilty get complaints on. I know, but I don't. Yeah. Yeah. Hats off. That's that's that's a good question. And a couple more questions based. Awesome. You often mentioned asked in your podcast. What makes a boy from Auburn support? London tain? Why don't you mentioned more local team like? Bali bio GFCM like bunny bubble. Well, Buddy-ball Gaelic football club Bara Gaelic football club. So I will hurling Mon on anyway or more earning money, which is Jeter Eire's sports that Stutz played a lot. But it's not paid in the town where I live you'd have to go to the next town overrun, it's it's pretty dangerous billon gardens broken fingers on boosted by his isn't the most lodgings Hoy. I miss it theory still to this day on I wish I could play. But apparently when they played does a fifty percent chance of me hitting auditor litter which start on ball or hitting the mon-. Why old Herlin monitor mentioned to me that they were unsure which it would be fun. A very regular basis to say I was in Tuesday to on the pitch is probably an understatement. You can take that on every to want. I looked at dirty on I missed it. But the arsenal Arlen connection formula for conversation. Topi booklets, also, a big arsenal fun. But Liam Brady was just. You know, him David O'Leary Frank Stapleton pot Jenin's at the time. We have not an Irish player play for our son while this actually came up with conversation on undermined who does the arsenal putt cost which was such an Irish contention over there on so from a country with a population of Dan about four point will million about four point five kind of see lien Brady, dune dot left-footer. Sister was born in London anyway dodgy, slipping Crichton with mom. He was into wine trade on. I don't wear quote knees in London if you put me into God. That's it. You know? But you know, I can get lost and got like. Sweet shelf. Far aways quite from what would it be done Hopi stadium? Asking me for you live in bigger islands of near where I live Essex. Can we just play us up for where Google it? Lecoq dot. Dodds? Moscow. All right. Claimed the Hopi. I'm sure your some of your business notice. Put in some interval. Some elevator music. Hi, bree. Okay. Restivo harbourside, Jim. Let me hyper stadiums Ernest. Wow. Over parenting, nude afoot data. The era from Croydon until you. Well, who've you got London Crystal Palace Fulham are so. The team from. London with the white shirts. Bamboo cane place for on. I don't know. Just one of those things everybody else has never pull the money. On the day of the decence ours contingents as well, but Buddy-ball GMC to sterling work in this village during the doom volleyball's a small town. About twenty euro to the nearest bliss stuff from where we live and far-sighted road is feels as far as joy, conceal. It. Looks like the front cover of Neil young album 'cause the questions in into fastened tan, they adult football league champions. Who has this question? The last time us new were league champions with two thousand full of that's that's very clever. Yeah. Tim how was that one cheeky brush to create work convinced, but I'm also one of those jobs where? I dunno. If dearly warn wouldn't solve for two world. Eat sleep and drink on half done all my life homeland privileged get to do it. I do for a living. The fact that people listen to kind of call it the pet project dot became a bit more vocalist plagued put things. Slightly offering considering all of the infidelities on things that are wrong with it. As versus better produced broadcasting helps productions. So I tend to miss. Mid week games home. On weekends open till it starts to get dark and evening times. When when they go into county, play them them two weekends on the I can't remember many weeks away from home if done this year, but it's it's been the law. You wouldn't want me on a on the type of local really because like I don't think I'd be here whole lot. So when I get home on the home. Working at home and work on homing. Optima seemingly clock anyway. I'm usually gone about six o'clock in the morning. So it doesn't leave a whole lot of time. I said that's a very good question. Yeah. I hope onset. Okay. Question why onto sat through football game? Because. I'm not football. Not. Many of the football references in such. What about means such literally my learn in football? Okay. All my information. Flow down the pub telex. Would you one L focused? Gardening. Fun will be questioned. Fewest one spies on ninety dollars is going to be mixed. But best guest. Oh, you don't have to say over. We yoga know ready to go into that. It's a second biscuits question. That's up there now with our soul plants, or or Beatles. Question, isn't it? That's crazy. No, no. I can't do. I think I would say here on you may as well telling me cake out of a favorite takeout of shop. I'm dot kids in the cake shop when you say you can only pick one going, Don. On that one. What can you can have to okay, no, actually meant. And that's me on press repeat on this one for. For good reason. So a Lancer quite diplomatically what it will tell you is the episodes have been put up for award. Which was with. Those two five thousand poppy story. Philip Johnson who tink two years before Hans wasn't opened the correction this that was in two thousand sixteen. I think two years before he'd wouldn't golden bested show Chelsea came back and did this phenomenal installation of with called Feist has puppies stores actually, true, whom from twenty five thousand of them hand crocheted which took a path of an Airbus. On. They did this all the way from the bark of Royal hospital. Chelsea. The barracks. It self to quarters where lots day all the way until the bulk of the floral marquee on. It was just colossally. You could hear a pin drop in the place. We got the cell from Brian at the time got out in the middle of all of those puppies. On chocolate Philip. Palmer. So that was sixteen seventeen was for the garden me to go towards this is entrance. Was Mark Gregory. A Mark is d- most medalled person in the history of the Royal horticultural society. I think he says that that if he puts them back to pack. He spent three and a half years was working life off the time in Chelsea into chessy grounds. So you've only got a tree we bills devoid tree and a half years that's one hundred and fifty six weeks. It's just it's lunacy. And. In two thousand eighteen that was Kate gold against the most listening to episode of such show ever is Charles doubting which I often put for award on the aforementioned Fisher Tomlin's, boss songs. Joe Thompson, stared till episodes. So they're the only reason I didn't put Demel. On hail the episodes. The GM were chosen was actually went to tree or four lots and said picking up to soda to such deceased here on. Let's say nine ten cots came back with dot one answer. I kind of see it as onto go you bake the cake. I just hope that you like it. But because in some cases. Making it is. Go to part of our make apart. You're doing tingle. You do a painting anyone out of Bod mourning mourning. So when you look at what you made. Your of dot morning. Not of what's in the thing and unwind brain is a as well, you know. Roller coaster loop de loop the best time son, but a find it hard to go all like, Donald because invariably. Don't know somebody put beans breakfast or something none on out off. God's sake of really seriously piece of does after farming socks are on inside, our our something odd ball, and I make that thing every says wonderful, really, you know, it is crazy. I would've thought it was that one on. So I don't know. So I tend to ask orders. Yeah. Started sufficient answer gets jailed. Thanks, very much might fool. To compel such. Yeah. Dot gov. Christian sauce being as? Would feature. Screeching God asking, gene, gone. Are you gonna hear my voice? Yeah. Well. Eight from agents fields is video on us. Pretty good at all. He's. Except free except for included me a lot which was which was interesting to say lease now. Thanks for thanks to everybody for sending the questions. I didn't think go good few questions might dare to start wear to be honest. I mean, there was more obviously explicit ones at NAS dot one over there. That's just route. Yeah. That one's about that candy. Did we went until that we definitely could not studio when it's not to calendar. Roy. That's Struble what my dad for that one. That's if I answered it. Fooled for hold of this been trying to think how you and your podcast just now and you say. For everything else such dot com. Think it's it's such on Twitter. Facebook. Such a com. We yeah. Sometimes an tro greasing in argue struck in the middle of it show. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. Please. Really? Thanks.
Batman Knightfall Prequel Part 7
"This episode of Cape Some Lunatic Sidekicks is brought to you by tweaked. Audio get awesome headphones. Get tweaked audio dot com and use the coupon code southgate get thirty percent off reshipping in a lifetime warranty where it can get there through the link on our website. Southgate Media Group DOT COM. Oh God what a out. Uh-huh back five of those. Were Food of War Nighthawk early. Don't you say that's great? It's saw Miss O'Brien captain. Dads listen. I'll so yes so tonight's tonight. We are talking Batman four ninety from March nineteen ninety-three so I'm just GONNA go ahead and get this out of the way. This art works at a bit of a Downer on the inside a white from Jimmy. God wrestle all I know. Ceo. But he's doing these Who's doing this? These covers Who did this Travis chairs Hannigan. Ray McCarthy Bob Larose to. I don't know who those people are either. I'm kidding I know say I knew. At least the name one or two names yes to all the like some burn John Byrd Lake Body here obsession. Just looping started Pamela. Neyla Menlo who Batman Bane because Bain looks like a grill blows the chest here. Intensify looks like Fatman lax on his chest. Pain like needs shave his shoulders or something. All that got way too much disaster on the Roads Man. It can stay late. Look like a Bolay land. Grown that suit. You know what I'm saying. I'm seeing while we get next with him. Yes that Robinson was not working for him. Just say Jeez sess let on Cougar. Now yeah this is Chuck Interior. Bruce Being Bruce you know stouter how dare you think? I'm not a good health. Go home weeks it. I just love the the signal the signal fixed. But I'm sure that on my cell phone as my voicemail mantras but yeah so he's still working sedatives but the signals up. Abets gotTa do you gotTa do so. Yeah so timid jean-paul Arabia Answer the Signal Awareness Superman Armand's but then the real Batman Shit. The Real Batman is back for now. He's like you own full Gordon which he'll be proved correct. Won't Gordon well. No the real Batman that's right. So yes the real Batman and Robin show up at court. Gordon's push I sorted. This period of time every issue his leg gets one push it classes off his knows somebody who actually wears glasses reward during this timeframe I believe. And that's the thing you do when you wear glasses nine. Oh Wow people classes person I love like what if you got commissioner and it's like pounding head our imagination Christopher Maloney's voice because that's he does the Voice of Gordon on Harley Quinn pounding head. Sour stomach peeved wife is having dinner with me and a lousy riddle came with the torsion demand. What crowns just one. Bus Can't again. He of new saying he needs a different here. Who you know. No not knowing fate would oh yeah Prince Adam loca look a cross between he and cabbage patch. Maybe we'll just wait. You know once things get rolling pets that hair. Now just yeah. They had to rough this way. Do you people ever really cut up. Magazines ransom mutters. I WanNa know who made this trope. I don't think it ever happened ever in real life more theus back in the day before everyone had printer and soon my mom told me. Don't go ruin in perfectly. Good magazines. Dammit put sooners with the rulers up to. This is the first appearance since we last last right about our friends around the the end of the end of the end of the year when a Dork. Mytalk city for the ridler. Although I will say that. Smarter Day was ridler. Just didn't go far enough but it gave us ridler. I think that's probably why because people just kind of ignore the ridler allot specs Jim Carey fiasco. Would how do you say that show? That fills rab. I won't do it to you either. Which is doing it. That's just the Jersey. No you can't help it Alabama and see check the the riddle fingerprints yeahs. Tim Alright then the code word time you showed up that whole thing related. We can't think about that because I was at the same person so ignorant idiot wasn't the same writer but they mentioned that in this issue. I thought you know. Don't worry your pretty little head Because they sure as hell did it now the TIM's trying to figure out the riddle. Well guess what baby to both to it so they why would you try to hide it? One of the riddle itself is positive. I E eight and of course of course Batman and Robin Disappear Gordon but again Bain and his guys being in his big entourages N- again Batman doesn't notice that being in his entire entourage watching them. Look I know look. Those senators are mighty shown otherwise buried. Deli Gordon Salt Lake. Wave at it. We're sure well we all know Gordon do the asthma issues with Gordon Him. None of them saw. How great without a bit of like Jean Paul? Cutting off the air to brain. So don't don't even worry about that teenage tight. Spandex against settled down Cougar. Like tell me no mommy. That's now is religion puberty low. Don't Shimmy puberty man. Take Mike Man. Stiff breeze won't be funny stupid stupid. That use ridler the story like come on with it already. Well next issue the fun starts stupid system that that beacon anyone with the knowledge of China's can eavesdrop on them. Yeah and should be able to see you for Momoa elect to be the way but whatever I mean. It'd be more realistic. They were couple blocks away watching them through like binoculars. Yeah I guess that's not very cinematic. So moving he of course being noticed he's moving slower almost pain and that's probably the reason he didn't faith crock himself and so he goes on to. You know they go. Hey you worry that dude. I'm like yeah 'cause he's trained lake from he expecting occupancy the South American accent. I know he'll never do this. But you know who we need we need to do. I'm all about the library innings these days. You need to do a library to Bain our friend Ray from into the night and midnight podcast that Australian accent doubles anything. Come on you know what? Yeah you mumble. I mean is is mumbling. We could just do the medium in mumble. I was just I just be like yeah. I just watched the dark knight rises. Come on we don't make you. That will be followed. Come on you're killing me. Little Hole borrow the minute. I saw that preview. I said Oh well this is gonNA. He took the money and ran out of years. He's working on yeah. He did So killer CROC was nothing in this ridler a full who plays puzzle games with the Batman for funds even less he that Washer. Mount Bain who is more relevant. Ou Want Garoppolo. He's funny on Harley. Talk on hardly claiming climate. I so Lord unless we make this Laurie force to be reckoned with the pop ups so I'm surprised like they're going to pump up the riddler venom. Surprise it into this whole. Can you imagine if they were to like freed every rogue Arkham and like like? Here's some for you. Here's an offer. You'll didn't they do that. Oh my Lord. Can you imagine you WanNa Venom? Then we'll work on. That would be the PLATTE twins now. He's like yeah all these chemicals. Go look the Lord to solve the riddle. I when I find this rhythm going to pump him over in China make mainstream smart but to me you just in the point is can be It's snowing out. And he still wearing a tank top helps house Martini. Be What you have hung out at a couple of Jones like gyms. Instead they do that they they get really hot like he care out muscle. It'll get really hot. Low Far you know have a think tank tops. Don't judge me on a totally unrelated topic. Kyra totally totally related as they. Don't worry it's Batman who was this And then there's a swinging away. Tim's tell them about me about being hyper muscle freak through these tubes in the back of his helmet. What Kenya call at home? I thought it was just like a mask but details. Allegations was raised. Make enough. We can't we can't focus on anything. He says pretty new. Jean Paul wasn't you? You know in Patent Forty Nine. Two issues to upset back got sense. He wondered why wasn't union might've even figured it out figured out. Well you know there's something wrong with you. I don't like there's something wrong with being you go to go hold. G. Hand the Ridley. Make you some Damn Camomile Tea. Cu l from make you milk and cooking document. Fool come to riddle. You would have been funnier like with. Wasn't that the Was it wasn't that what they were you know over. That was not the joke to produce with Ridley on that. Note that I'm surprised they didn't. I know see look page seven. Hard to focus on the roller when I keep thinking about the ridler himself. He hasn't made move on since he tried to sacrifice to the Demon Barbados. But why not? He's going to bear. We're all embarrassed at. That situation was ridiculous. Maybe it's taken him this long to recover from the experience or he's been confused until recently convinced you still mcgrew of the demon either way. It doesn't matter see at least. This is like realistic. Because ridler was capita zone. Guys trying to protect that man in that story. Guess what no henchman in this story exactly me. Most idiots are still working for the joker. We have that discussion. I can totally buy into the colts. Joker which is digitally get right about joker jokers ideology in his. You know it's a useful idiot. I told him why people say oh me of the joke or a truck from as you. Did you know that whole thing? It's like whatever your reality you can force back injury. Symbolically biology on it. So that's right. Bro Knocking off like a gun. You're not Batman static laws. No more light cramp is but whatever he's like in the you know the the rivers on top of the Clock Tower Houses Ueno since waiting for work order push offer Belfry. Get it right. It's a bell free. No thank coach. It's lying seven Says the clock tower top number one Gough Plaza one Gotham Plaza for the feathery? Take a drink every time you see that back in the day talking broilers Max Batmans shown up always had his chance said Yeah. I think so coming about me and you sold it. No but I've come to Rachel while ask more than forty now. That's good to know. Thank you seen this where we've seen this before or at or since this. He has a gun that shoots needles just INJECTS VENOM. Rated the ridler. Do you have to say what? Walk Point yes. Maybe that was a little to the top of your labor. We're GONNA pull back. Who Already Santa Claus Frances? Now I now I have a machine gun whole whole whole whole family guy fanatic like me. You will get that out hotel. What am I good in a way? It makes you faster stronger. Six million dollars. That's an old Jim. They don't need all they don't have all night now. Well somebody's bodies ready Where are we doing the punching muck or not Brown? It will last more than forty eight hours while better. Consult a doctor is GONNA say Real Mike. Working by case of that stuff. So yeah if you really want to blow up you can do it at this time. The subtext his regrets. Like what a bomb strapped this bell so in a tolls down as the countdown is the bell tolls because it comes swinging interested in lockout the Ridler is key. I can't feel knocking. I felt nothing. That's not what you WANNA year. Yeah nineties comics. Vibration of each Gong picks my detonator one step closer to do tasting. Wait a second. Oh my Lord. The vibration of each gong takes my detonator one step closer to doom. Don't you understand me on the last call at the stroke of midnight this whole building? We'll go boom yoga's gotTa have a word with you ridler. Call me the RHYMER. I'd like his little microscope. Fenway hammerhead on him but yes Batman is able to stop the final Gong from hitting the bell to a disarms the countdown. What's the battery. 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SEASON ONE, EPISODE 5: Whered You Go?
"Welcome to boston venue the channel podcast. This is the true and complete story. The legendary boston music club the channel from shaky launch in one of boss's grittiest neighborhoods through the glory years of beer so rock punk and reggae shows from an incredible roster of artists and its demise at the hands of local mobsters after spectacular could run a demise that ultimately led to a murder that would take twenty five years to solve this podcast includes explicit language and violent episodes no sugar coating and no bullshit. Let's rock on the last episode we follow the channels early trials trials when rebellious bouncers music bigwigs and a mafia capo all tried to insert themselves into the equation boston before the big doc dig was a city split in two literally by the central artery a monolithic strip of concrete and steel that was ugly dirty and noisy. The harbourside of the artery was home to desolate peers sketchy neighborhoods with little direct connection to the rest of the city. The channel was in that part of boston. Boston had a segregated mentality not with closed minded attitude and neighborhoods that rarely crossed boundaries blacks lived in dorchester and roxbury and whites lived in beacon hill in west roxbury charlestown in south boston. Many bostonians preferred that we self boston which included the four point area was one of those places experiencing growing growing pains territorial boundary disputes between neighborhoods reached their peak with the onset of busing when high school students were forced into places where they were not always wanted often resulting in tense confrontations. The newspapers were full of ugly images of divided boston that wasn't responding well to change and just as things around the the city were getting shaken up. So as the music scene as boston was being transformed popular music long dominated by good old rock and roll and disco was being challenged by the likes of punk rap and thrash metal. Should boston had a very vibrant underground music scene back then the kids kids usually stay to themselves very underground. They hung around in punk clubs and <hes> skate parks. A lot of the concerts awesome were non v._f._w. Halls and knights of columbus <hes> sometimes even a church basements the places <hes> you know when they needed the money they would the book alternative <hes> types of shows like punk shows kids loved it because it go there in the afternoon until their parents where they were going and you'd see all the escape boards parked outside and being slammed dancing and enjoying the very loud very raucous from a violent music hardcore berged as a formidable genre with a tight knit community then offered a reliable audience. The music was rebellious and confrontational local bands like the freeze d._i._s. and gangrene green led the charge as the ranks of boston hardcore loyalist grew it was serious music and some of the fans and musicians were fiercely serious to the punk subculture called straight edge or essex or x. x. even when as far as renouncing booze drugs and cigarettes and embracing bracing a strict adherence to clean but very loud living though bands like minor threat s._s._d. That wouldn't play generally in a place that sold alcohol. There were in it for the money that they wanted. The music to be heard was important for them that there was no alcohol sold at their shows. The ticket prices had to be kept low it. It ought be all ages shows we had no liquor sales or sometimes it was a struggle deepen break-even but we did the shows because the music really needed to be heard and it was only once insult week how the boston's later named the mighty mighty boston's came out of that punk scene in the early eighties as a hard-driving punks ga band evolving to be a major crossover also band with a uniquely boston sound. They're credited is one of the progenitor of the genre of scott punk and the creators of sub-genre scott core which mixes elements of scott scott with punk rock and hardcore dicky barrett who would go on to become the lead singer of the mighty mighty boston's and eventually make it in hollywood as the announcer and bandleader on the jimmy kimmel. Show was a former member of the boston hardcore band gangrene. I remember going in there for that. Hardcore shows minus threat circle jerks all of those black flag all of those great shows and various other shows when we went through shows at night as well and loved it. I thought it was supposed thrilling had a great time. I also found it at certain times scary. We were in there to challenge just about everybody and everything i think that famous cramps show where i was accused of getting in a fight with flux interior never really happened and then i remember one time being there for bad manners being my friend friend matt badgers play keyboards in another sky and thrown out and they said don't ever come back and we said fuck that and we climbed down the side of the building and tried tried to watch the band and standing on a broken here a war for whatever it was going along the side of the building it was sort of magical sort of just an awesome combination of street people when it was you know street punks that were attending the show and then and it was just tremendous neighborhood. I played my very the first punk rock show so you have the channel to blame for me in my career as well because i was in a band called the impact units that opened up at that insane a misfit show that was a tremendous show. There's a great picture of of the plaque flag showing with a pig pile on state estimate and all of the kingpins of boston hardcore hooting like paul punky richard albaro out lethal from s._s._d. And in in this big pile up i think bouncers have me by my feet and henry has me by my arm. He's trying to keep them from dragging me out a lot of great the black and white pictures as they fill in flash was shooting away at those shows and another great picture. I think it hung for years. You walkers western wear of just all of us standing out in the parking lot you know skateboards and bald had all of this. You know listen to podcasts. Go come back. We'll be you wonder tornado sleep battle to when i'm wondering like hardcore punk gangster rapper emerging a polarizing youth driven genre that was gaining a foothold in boston's live music scene and like all underground scenes bubbling up gangsta rap scared their shit out of parents and holy rollers everywhere but his ramp was ascending politics in boston. We're changing as southie boys mayor ray flynn and city councillor. Jimmy kelly came to power politicians. Were constantly trying to insert themselves into the channels programming decisions and now jimmy kelly was a frequent quin collar regularly complaining about some of the bands he wants suggested that a scheduled hip hop show at the channel should be moved to the notorious red light district directly abutting outing chinatown called the combat zone where the usual entertainment consisted of all nude reviews and lap dances in back rooms. Jimmy kelly didn't want the band like two live crew in his neighborhood. They were anti police. They swore onstage. There were pretty offensive so he was <hes> classic. Nimby kind of guy didn't want any shows it in approve in his neighborhood and that included any shows that had any <hes> controversy you know he was particularly not enamored a._m. Would've rap shows as he was a regular caller. He was pretty vocal. It's just say in hollywood state his opinion very strongly. Another constant thorn in the channel side side was longtime boston city council at large and former head of the licensing board dapper o'neil whose hero an ex boss was the colorful infamous boston politician titian powerbroker and ex convict james michael curley o'neill took pride in his social conservativism. His twenty eight years in the boston city council were marked by why is open racism homophobia and misogyny now dapper had his eye on the channel in one episode shaun mcnally a channel manager at at the time was called to testify at a licensing board hearing that dapper had requested we had hosted event at the channel called the dangerous dames no bozo jam and and was essentially a beauty contest onstage. Supposedly somebody made a complaint that one of the ladies onstage had exposed themselves exposed best and we were called before the licensing board today with that when the steel musty room at city hall and then the legendary guy himself dapper o'neil cuts in and he basically questioned myself and a couple of the channel employees about what what had happened that day as the assistant general manager. I was obviously on site. I paid attention. I saw nothing of the short happening but the claim was and it was read by diane. Monica was in charge of the time of the mayor's office consumer affairs and licensing she read a statement that said contests inter move there bikini tops and bottoms and then contest judges allegedly touched the contestants breasts hips and buttocks again to me that was completely laughable but it came down to a he said she said essentially in they slapped us with a five day license ban which was a very heavy penalty to pay and was halloween weekend so suffice to say that was the last snow bozos g._m. The channel hosted the suspension was successfully appealed by channel management and the five day closure never have bobby sleep battle and when i'm wondering in boston uh-huh gingy and other power arenas as well w._b._z. In which long dominated rock radio in boston was being challenged from an upstart called w z and the channel was right in the middle of it carter allen remembers the radio wars you know we we battled each other but you know we loved each other. I mean i love of some of those jobs that worked over w c._m._e. Parental mark parental worked over there for while jerry goodwin worked over there so there are some good friends but meanwhile you know battle is a battle and competition competition and ratings ratings so you kind of have to take the gloves off every once in a while and there was more competition taking direct aim at b. c. N. and stephen mindich in the powerful boston phoenix were jumping into the rock radio fray in one thousand nine hundred to midge bought. A small radio station in lynn called wwl l. wyan f._m. He quickly upgraded the signal and broadcast equipment and went on to create a hugely influential alternative rock station called w._f._a._n. X. which which despite his relatively limited signal gave b._c. In a run for its money in the eighties through the mid nineties brodmann ditch remembers his father looking to get into the radio your business the the creation of fanatics which started and actually i i have a very vivid memory of this which is which is interesting is i was very into to music when i was younger obviously still still am and i remember him coming into my room and i think i was probably twelve and he's said i think about my radio station and i'm trying to decide whether the music should be country music or this new wave save music and nobody really knew what new wave music was and i said something like well. I don't know about country but i guess this other music maybe now now from there his vision for that was and and it was called from the very beginning boston phoenix radio and then in terms of the music you know w._f._a._n. X. x built an enormous following based on the content and was able to really hold its own against some of these gigantic radio stations that had far more power power but really did not have the vision that <hes> that my father had b._c. Battles in the radio wars showed the dawn law wasn't invulnerable on the airwaves and he was starting learning to lose his grip on live music as well national shows became a little easier to get as we got more media and the agents realized that we were there to stay but for the most pat local bands provided bread and butter who needed them on a weekend bans like a human sexual response till tuesday delph wego's boston's pastas extreme the lemon heads the fools lot of those locals were really very strong in the mid eighties as the the channel continued to prosper bringing people to an area of boston they would not usually go to more booking agencies paid attention and began to show some respect ages thoughts pay more attention to us and we we started to become recognized as you know mid level promoters a lot of the act said played the channel or even some that hadn't wanted wanted to be in a different venue the nightclub a lot of them thought that they had graduated the nightclub scene and wanted to be in theaters or other venues. We'd get some calls from agents and they have acts that they said would be a little bit bigger than the channel and then we would have to try to find a venue to put them in so for the city was pretty much tied up by dawa had the major rock and roll venues pretty much himself so we had a fine alternative venues warren scott longtime longtime channel booking agent remembers when things began to change as the years went on and things were going well at the channel. All the agents across the united states were giving the avails. These agents knew that we will competent promoters and they actually liked working with us because we were. I don't know a few on the. I'm the dog but we were alternative promoters in town. I'm not the traditional on and so forth so they sat to give us different availabilities of bans that made we worked at the channel multiple times in exceeded that kind of capacity and they need to play in venues that will that a great example that is english we had played the channel multiple times they need to go to the next step and while i was doing that with his club's paradise and putting them into the off p._m. We stepped up to the plate and at the same thing we took english rush feet and we brought him over to the walter brown arena which is at the income north avenue english played there with r._e._m. As the opener but now the show sold out you know there's a wonderful show. Everything went well. I remember r._e._m. Wanting no lights for their show at all just all wight wash. Which was i thought was strange at the time. We paid them wapping. Some of one hundred dollars english speed headline that date we we did that multiple times. We did that with peter. Tosh brought tauch over to the castle the replacements but replacements over to the opera house which was a twenty six hundred capacity. I believe in that also sold out the agents knew at this point that we were good at what we did they would trust us with their attractions and we promoted him. Only at the channel we're on to other venues rogers and channel channel the winds of change blowing hard in boston and they were causing more disruption than the giant glass panes from the john hancock tower had when they came tumbling to the ground a decade before in politics the airwaves music even in the mob. They're all being challenged from different quarters and the channel despite steep deep odds against its survival the club was actually thriving the channel was able to straddle the line between popular culture and the interface underground fuck you attitude attitude that pervaded the emerging musical genres that were taking boston by storm. The competition at fostered in the rock and roll scene in boston did more than keep the business solve solvent. It changed the music scene for good. A then. There was whitey bolger waiting for me to move on on the channel we offered wondered why after all 'gangstas loved nightclubs and restaurants because they were up the perfect place to launder money large sums of cash could be deposited to banks. There was a rule that <hes> in any deposit over ten thousand dollars in cash had reported to the i._r._s. We would exempt from that rule. Maybe bahir want to jeopardize his <hes> gig with f._b._i. Working with crooked agent john conley to try to take down the jewel gang or maybe is the f. b. i. agent eh brought solemnity. Justice suggested to me one time he said. Maybe he just didn't notice you guys. Boston's underworld was in crisis as longtime crime organisations were dealing dealing with betrayals lengthy prison sentences and untimely deaths corrupt special f._b._i. Agent john conley with the help of mob informer whitey bolger was in the process of taking down gennaro jerry angelo and his brother d'amato also known as danny also helping conley was steven the rifleman men fleming another notorious gangster that would eventually plead guilty to killing ten people fleming also worked with cadillac frank salami so back to the angelos close after years of trying the f. b. I. finally managed to indict the jeweler brothers. In nineteen ninety-three by successfully bugging a bar they owned this effectively really ended their leadership of the boston mafia caesar angelo danny sun and a regular patron of the channel remembers the north end and the fourth point marya in those days. Yes i am de ngelo son proud to be the center of my dad one of the angelo brothers out of the not done to boston quite quite honestly my experience being ngelo and having been brought up in nothing tradition was an amazing thing rules the rules a good guys. We're good guys and the not then was as it's been put the safest place in all of boston. A woman could walk the streets at any time of night day and not ever worry about being bother author and that's what the angelo brothers did for the city of boston in general everything was <hes> status. Quo an amazing way to grow up the not then was a they they call it. The safest square mile in the world of the brothers were all brought up with an aunt and they were all born in the not then right on ninety five prince street in that were regular so to speak. They knew everyone in town and that's how they're not. Kinda worked <hes> we used to call it. The little old lady security system the truth was going to beat you back to the office despite half an hour so you never really got into too much trouble that channel it was just an amazing venue some of my most memorable moments in the channel we're <hes> spending time with stevie ray vaughan and not too long before he passed away being on stage with alvin ailey group like war hanging backstage with the straight gas brian seltzer. It's a b. fifty twos and the list goes on and on and on never mind the local ax her balloon jon butcher access luna berlinale. If it was just an amazing place an awful lot of fun we were always welcome and it was probably one of the best maintain clubs all of the city of boston so the two guys that emerged as the major combatants in the struggle to control the boston mob after the fall of the angelo's and the death of raymond patriarca senior were vinnie the animal harare era and cadillac frank salami. The channel owners managed to fend off vincent ferrara using it offensive legal strategy so lemme on the other hand used. I used different behind the scenes approach. I met steve desario. Nineteen eighty were right. After we opened any showed up to say congratulations. He was a fellow club owner. He owned two small clubs when was in austin called the club soden a also owned a bar on canal street near north station after after that he really showed up with me had come in once in a while he started coming in <hes> on a much more regular basis shortly after our encounter with vinny ferrara chara to sarah was a real estate developer and he was very successful until the late eighties when the bottom fell out of the condo market he was involved ogden some kind of a big development and he lost a lot of money and he was almost bankrupt and he was looking for new opportunities. They never really seemed to be interested in the band. That was playing. I mean he once asked me if we do well with the band. Why not bookham for week or two weeks at a time. He really didn't understand the concept. Stephen dasaro zero was the son of albert to sorrow longtime personal driver of raymond l. s. patriarca patriarca headed new england branch of the cosa nostra until his death in nineteen eighty four albert big. Al sorrow was a small guy with a fierce loyalty to his boss. Stephen dasaro was introduced to the patriarca crime family at a very young age age in fact patriarca was his real godfather when he came of age instead of falling into a life dominated by the hidden world of numbers running drug dealing in murder-for-hire he chose college law school and real estate development dasaro had been a successful businessman also owning too small nightclubs he he had a large family including five children and lived in a spanish style mansion in newton on the upper part of commonwealth avenue. Peter boris got to know him. As an occasional early evening. Inning patron sour came in occasionally with another club owner from somerville. He always look good. Nobile chop drove a nice car. Yeah very generous bind drinks and tipping the bartenders the waitresses he'd like to talk about phases of club operation he did. I'd say they went to law school but he didn't take the bar exam was always paranoid. Always thinking that everybody around him is <hes> an informant or he would point at certain people and claim that they may be an informant or they're watching him. Patriach associate thomas tommy hillary introduced stephen to sour two francs eleni sometime after salamis release from federal prison. The rivalry between the two camps was destined to play out in a blood feud that would put the channel in their crosshairs. Aw aw <music> wonder sleep battle. Wait i know <music> talk to can you wow. Where did you go. Go go on the next episode soda boston venue the channel punk and rap rock and roll or is under way at the long commute featured in this episode provided by the mighty mighty boston's police be at where where did you go into music jon butcher axis contributing storytellers in this episode worth dicky barrett shaun mcnally carter rowan rodman ditch warren scott. Dont peter fors- and caesar ngelo boston venue the channel story was conceived and created by her reports executive producer. David ginsburg produced by karachi live pret- written by perry boards contributing david ginsburg edited by christopher o'keefe reporting engineer tori land audio production <unk> by tony begley oh and dante graphic designer lisa saint john ben. I'm your narrator john morente. Don't forget to subscribe and tell your friends to check us out on the channel all story dot com on facebook and boston venue the channel podcast. Leave your comments and share your stories.
14 November 2019: A rapid, multi-material 3D printer, and a bacteriums role in alcoholic hepatitis
"Live like it sounds so simple no own but now the data's finally not only refreshing but at some level astounding nature. Welcome back to the nature podcast. This week a super-quick multi-material free the printer the link between Gut microbes and liver disease. I'm Shami Bundle and I'm they count. This is the sound of a printer but no stunned it. Don't fish job this Prince Prince infre- dimension what's exciting about three dimensional printing from a materials perspective. Is You may be able to unlock A much much bigger designed space. This is Jennifer Lewis a material scientists from Harvard University. This week in nature. She and her team are presenting a new type of Free D. Printer one which imprint single high resolution object. There's made multiple different materials now. Most Freebie printed objects the uniform. They're made of just one type of for want of a better word INC so you end up with an object which is entirely made from one type of plastic caustic for example until now has been tricky or slow to print objects made them more than one material and that is all down to nozzles the bit weady incomes. It comes out now. There are some times of Princess like ink Jet Base Free Deep Rinses. That can already print with multiple inks but they are limited. The COMP print materials it was too viscous or the droplets of ink won't form properly and winstead foam filaments making precise printing. Tricky extrusion based princes says however. Work differently they squeeze fluid ings for a nozzle which then Houghton and this process can be used to print a greater range of things wchs but to change the material being printed. You have to stop the Prince and changed and also note with Jennifer Printer though so we've developed these three-dimensional Dimensional print heads that are multi nozzle and multi material and the really big advanced is not only that we can print up to eight eight different materials simultaneously but that we can switch between these materials at high speeds so we can switch between them at frequencies up to fifty hertz put that into context this is the sound of the princess switching between materials fifty holds all fifty the second using this technique. Jennifer Printer can print objects materials volume elements to give them the technical name in exquisite detail. We can create volume elements. Now that are on the order of the lane and width of a human hair. Multiple Nozzles and super-quick Matteo switching allow Jennifer printed to rapidly devices multiple materials and. Jennifer has made all kinds of stuff walking robot for example with the likes printed from two materials a soft one for the benefits and a hard one for the stiffer components. We actually have a video of the little on our Youtube Channel and a highly recommend checking it out. It is adorable but anyway how does the printed work. We'll see some clever use of pressure. We're taking advantage of the material properties of the ink so these inks have water called the VISCO elastic response. The viscous part means that it will flow under high pressure so when we apply apply pressure to the nozzle the ink flows but the elastic part. Means that there's a pressure that we have to exceed in order for the ink to flow. This is kind of like the opposite of that. Classic schoolroom. Experiment with cornstarch and water. You know the one the gunk that is solid when you hit it but runs off your hand if you're a gentle it's called black google if you haven't seen it yet anyway. Unlike Ube like Genesis inks do not flow unless you have the right amount amount pressure so she reeked multiple channels each containing different inks an old connected to one also by Catholic controlling the pressure in each channel so she could determine which flows through the nozzle. So if we're applying pressure to one INC that that channels gonNA flow and as long as we prevent backflow that that material through the other channels that are filled with different inks than we're allowed to be able to print the material interest and then seamlessly switch. Take off the pressure from one. Eight apply to the next two. Then change the material on the fly as it's coming out of the print head. You harness overthrow. The An engineer who wasn't associated with this work is putting futuristic about a potential of this technology do think that the whole combination of printing multiple materials this kind of rates being able to precisely control the material properties at a pixel level. I think the whole combination of this is is new and exciting. He's particularly interested in possibly using the printer to make soft robots. And I mean we build robots in lab We built a sort of extra control. Robots in a lap. And all of these things I think we can recruit immediately also print using such a device which for now it's quite a tedious process. I mean it's not that we can't do it. It's it takes a lot of time and experience of people that are doing it so for me being being able to to design something about in and something like that would come out. I think that's that would also be saving a lot of time now. That's not to say the apprentice without his limitations at the moment whilst it can use multiple nozzles at once and swap the materials in those quickly the prince can only output one material at a time. All those who have to work in unison that helps make the prince fast bear only works with repetitive shapes. It won't work if a distinct components in the object beam printed even so Jennifer is optimistic about the future use of the printer. This technology -nology will enable a huge array of devices. Things like flexible electronics. Printing rechargeable batteries in in three dimensional architectures architecture's vascular is human tissues. That can be used for tissue regeneration and repair. I mean all of these are now possible. Because many of these devices rely on materials that have limited print windows because they're either reactive like poxy or elastomers or they contain living cells which can only be printed over about a period of an hour before they start to die before they lose viability. So if you have now the ability to construct very complex three dimensional objects composed of these reactive or living materials and do so at very fast. Timescales I think the possibilities are really unlimited. That was Jennifer Lewis from the University of Harvard in the US. You also heard from your Hannah's over Valda from aim off in the Netherlands you can find and of his paper along with a news views article written by Yohannes over at nature dot com later in the show. We'll be hearing about white mega constellations of satellites. It's a worrying. Astronomers that's coming up in the news jumped. Now though it's time for this week's research highlights read by Dumb Fox. Why is is so slippery it might seem like a pretty simple question? But has taken a team of reason. Researches acquit with a new ultra high resolution microscope and a tuning fork to get to grips with the problem in the typical explanation for Isis. slickness snus objects moving across ice slide on a thin layer of meltwater but this is counterintuitive because normally water makes a poor lubricant G to WHO's low viscosity. The team sets out to investigate this using a new microscope. Equipped of attuning folk. When the folks mental problems vibrated it dragged to gloss offbeat back and forth across the layer of ice measuring the friction generated? The bead also moved into and out of the ice providing data on the viscosity custody of the meltwater film between the bead on the ice. Surprisingly the office found that this meltwater is up to one hundred times more viscous. Yes the normal water. Making an excellent lubricant slide. IVETA physical review x for the full paper If you've moved house recently you probably remember the stress of Catholic packing your franchise belongings to prevent them from from being damaged now. A team of research is in the. US revealed that some cells go for a similar process. The team found the when squeezing through tight light spaces some cells will protect the nuclei by wrapping them in a wife of lab of a protein called Benton the Menton foams fibers stiffen under stress. Protecting the precious nucleus and the DNA held within the research is observed when cells without this bubble. Wrap protein protein wriggled down a narrow passageway. The sounds Ganay suffered fifty percent more damage than the cells with them into packaging. Read that paper Info the Journal of Cell Biology next up on this week show reported Benjamin Thompson has been finding out about the links between a gut bacterium and a serious liver condition. long-term alcohol misuse is associated with numerous diseases czyz and one of the most severe is alcoholic hepatitis which affects the liver has a short term mortality rate of twenty to forty percent of the diagnosis. Unfortunately the treatment options for alcoholic. Hepatitis are extremely limited and is poorly understood but it seems that microbes living in the gut are involved somehow in this condition as burn Schnabel a liver specialist and Research University of California. San Diego explains what we knew from previous impoverished studies. That alcohol related liver disease. At least a pre clinically mouse model can be actually transmitted via microbiome for bio transplantation. So this means that if you transfer the stool from a alcoholic hepatitis patient to a mouse. That doesn't have any bacteria or any any microbes inside their bodies and if subject these two ethanol feeding again in the preclinical setting these mice developed much more liver disease ask compared to conventional mice. This week in nature burned and his colleagues have tried to get a better understanding of. What's underlying this link between the Gut microbiome utter and the Alcoholic Hepatitis? They started by using genomic sequencing to get an idea of the microbial populations within the feces of people with the condition. What was very very striking that a bacterium that is called enterococcus? Kayla's is in fact. Very highly enriched like two thousand seven hundred fold higher in patients with Alcoholic Hepatitis as compared to the Non Alcoholic controls now Antara caucus fee Kayla's is found in healthy people albeit at much lower levels. And it it doesn't cause much harm but in some cases the species can cause serious infections and some strains even produce a toxin could cite a lesson in this work burned found that thirty percent of people with Alcoholic Hepatitis had signed a licensed producing enterococcus in their feces and this was associated with a much poorer outcome when entering hospital like ninety percent of the patients with satellites impart activity in their feces. They died within one hundred days why the patients Auburn satellites in negative. There was only like five percent death within one hundred eighty days to get a better understanding of the link between site allies in Producing Enterococcus and Alcoholic Hepatitis burnt and his colleagues moved from humans. In some mice one of the experiments team performed involved giving germ free mice alcohol diet. I'm colonizing them with the feces of people with alcoholic hepatitis. The mice which were colonized with satellites in positive stool from Mike Golic patients showed more liberties than the term free mice. That were colonized with feces from our colleague Titus patients who were satellites. I said negative while both sets of mice showed liver damage. Those with science lysine producing enterococcus. Were worse off. Otherwise experiments in his newspaper also also showed that site a licensed plays a role in the severity of alcoholic hepatitis. But the team didn't stop there to further demonstrate that science is a key component Honan they wanted to specifically eliminate the bacteria producing it now targeting an individual bacterial strain in the gut is difficult but then his colleagues aches tons of viruses. Bacteria phages or just phages to do the job. These viruses are ubiquitous in nature and can infect and kill bacteria area. They're also super specific to their host bacterium even down to the strain level. So the phages that would recognize and destroy our enterococcus because fikile is which produce the license would not kill and destroy the enterococcus wikileaks which were satellites in negative and to add to through this. The more astonishing thing for us was in fact that phages that would recognize a satellites in positive enterococcus. Free Kayla's from one patient would would not even recognize the Inter Caucus FY Kayla's from another patient. The team gave these phages to alcohol. Fed germ free mice colonized with human feces. We found that we faced treatment targeting. The satellites in positive enterococcus Kelly's can actually reduce liver disease in this pre clinically kinik model as compared to mice that were treated with control. Bacteria fate and that were still colonized with satellites positive. Stool from Mike Golic tied his patients. The treated mice had lower levels of sites license in their livers which had less damage and lower levels inflammation so it seems then that this toxin in his playing an important role in the severity of Alcoholic Hepatitis Martha cloaking a microbiologist. Who Works phages has written a news and views on this work she? She was impressed. But I think they've combined a very very careful analysis of what they've seen in patients so although it is coronation numbers of large and the statistics are really pretty good and then they also made a really nice link between the humans and mice. So I mean they've they've got as close to humans that not getting treatment to see possibly cam so could these phages be used to treat alcoholic hepatitis in humans. Well remains to be seen and of course much of this research was done in mice. Mother thinks though that there's enough preliminary evidence in this work to suggest that this lot of research should be continued. Bunt Bundy is keen to eventually move into clinical trials but says there are still questions that need to be answered for example why some people with Alcoholic Hepatitis harbourside right to license producing strains while others don't he also thinks that this current method of isolating specific ages to target specific bacterial strains will needs to be adapted to produce face therapies. That can help people with alcoholic hepatitis. So I think in the future we need to find bacteria phages that have a broader host range so I think there are methods in the literature currently that we can use to do this but also on the horizon there is synthetic thaddeus bacteria phages that cannot only recognize specific strains of enterococcus indicators but hopefully recognize a broad spectrum than obviously obviously this would ease the treatment options for Alcoholic Hepatitis patients that was burned Schnabel from the University of California San Diego. Yeah go in the. US You also heard from math o'clock from the University of Leicester in the UK. You can read Ben's paper and moth is news and views article over at Nick Dot Com finally on the show. It's time for the news shop and I'm joined in the studio by Nisha gained nature's European bureau chief Nisha. Hi Hi Nick. So this week we go oh two stories and the first one is about SPACEX and a Monday they launch sixty satellites into orbit and this has caused some worry among among astronomers. Yeah that's right this is story. That's been simmering for a while and it's about these plans by spacex on some other companies including Amazon to to salute recalled mega constellations in these huge networks of satellites that will hopefully provide internet to the entire globe including to places that are very under served jobs but that is a problem that comes with this and it is forced ornaments and they are fearful that all of these satellites in the sky will basically basically mess up the astronomical observations and in what ways might this affect their observations so there are a couple of different worries here one is that these satellites are basically basically pretty bright and they might create streaks in the night sky that would interfere with days collection and the other is the the area around Earth is already already quite congested. And we're talking about huge numbers of potential satellite launches head somewhere on the order of the tens of thousands. Fifty thousand is one number. WHO's been turning around so all of these extra things? In will equal low earth orbit could increase the risk that satellites and other craft that up there could stop bashing into each other. which obviously isn't great? This is obviously a few different problems. There and presumably satellites need to communicate with the ground in some way without cost problem for like radio astronomy. Yes exactly that is another problem. Radio astronomers use these huge dishes to try and capture radio signals from deep in the universe and there is a concern that these communications satellites will be using abandoned frequencies that will interfere with radio astronomy observations potentially Ashley rendering some astronomical data useless. So these lights have already been launched as we said there were future launches planned other any different things plan for the future. The may help mitigate some of these problems yes say these companies spacex and others all currently engaging in conversations with the astronomy community. Because it's not just this lawrence that happened. Yesterday there will be potentially tens of thousands of these satellites in the years and decades to come so mitigation conversations are a very important impulsive. What is happening now? One which is to mitigate this brightness issue would be to actually paint the undecided of satellites are either side that faces us a sort of dull black literally make them appear fainter on another approach. That's being discussed is to look carefully at the frequency bands Satellites will be using these regulated by body in there are some discussions about shifting. The frequency bands at the satellites might use or in fact turning off satellites in certain frequencies as possible radio astronomy observatories. SOM moving back down to here on earth. We've got another story and this one is about about a huge study. The shown there is a gender gap in Chemistry publishing. Nisha what can you tell me about this. So it's a sunny has found that across a huge huge number of papers. Women are less likely to get papers accepted for publication in chemistry journals than that male colleagues. And who is this study conducted to say this is done by the Society of chemistry which is a British society that has a huge number of chemistry journals and they publish all sorts of research in the chemical LASAGNA's Brian And this was looking at corresponding authors. What specifically did it find? It found that although thirty six percent of authors on submitted manuscripts were women only twenty three percent of the papers that were accepted for publication had female corresponding. WHO's also found this walk? Is that had a female corresponding author was less likely to be cited then work that had a male corresponding author. How much less likely was it to be cited so papers his authored by men on average cited seven times in papers authored by women was cited? Just David Five Times supposed to put my devil's advocate on for a second second doesn't seem like a huge disparity. Yeah in absolute figures. It might not seem like laws disparity but it's important to remember that these policies existent every part of the publication process Sosa and they have been shown to exist across fields in paper acceptances in citations in Invitations to peer review so so over a long career as a scientist. These are all things that add up on disadvantage women. And does this news to the attorney clues as to why. Hey this disparity exists. Well this is something where they will be really complex interaction of subtle biases. These are difficult to pin down exactly but we all I know they exist on as well as that there are. Fewer women chemist to begin with and there are a set of issues that underlies that as well but importantly the Ara you see the role of chemistry says that it will be taking action to address gender bias on it will be doing that through things like unconscious bias training for its editorial Sorel staff recruiting more women to be peer reviews onto be editorial board members. Well thanks for joining Listening for more on those stories head of the nation dot COM com slash news. That's all for this week. But don't forget if you see that three D. Printer inaction than we've made a video just for you. You can check it out over at Youtube DOT DOT COM forward slash nature video channel. I'm Shamanee Bundle. And I'm the COW CENEX time
#390: High performance and the lowest cost machine learning inference in the cloud with AWS Inferentia
"This is episode three, hundred ninety of the AWS podcast released on September sixth. Twenty Twenty podcast confirmed welcome to the official AWS. PODCAST. Lebanon welcome back to the PODCAST Assan issue who the great to have you back and I'm joined by Chechen Kapoor who is a senior for? AC Two technology will come to the. PODCAST, Chatham. Great. It's great to be here for how excited to have you on because you going to be talking to us about a topic that's quite deep and interesting and a little different. We're going to be talking about oedipus, in Ferenci, A-, and I'm not committing to get that all the way through the podcast because how can sign it twenty times and not make a mistake. But maybe let's start with what is infrastructure and why. Decide to build this distinct. So in parental is our first machine learning chip that we built. Avezzano aws long as silicon ourselves. You know with our. Is, in. You know jeans along on gravitons processor. I chip that is designed machine learning specifically for running. Machine learning model production. So what I mean that is GonNa to have a change learning model. You're happy the accuracy as providing you, and now you want to deploy it add scale to start August requirements right? So that's what furnishes designed or custom silicon. Designed for machine learning infants. To answer your second question about why the billeted. To, answer the question. Let me take a step back. So there over the last year, a couple of key customer trends now dot also the first one is that. Complexity of emily models is growing pretty rapidly this primarily happening because we searchers scientists, they're actually pushing the boundaries of. Quality of perdition that these models are making more ability to have. So as a consequence of. These models are just just exploding and complexity. Bright. And the second aspect is over the second trend is that. There are a lot of companies that are seeing a lot of value and and. Learning, and they want increase utilization of Allah crossing areas, applications, and and once you look you want you talking these customers have. Of their challenges, the first thing that comes up very often is that. The cost to run these complex machine learning models getting prohibitive. Many Ninety percent of the infrastructure. SPAN. Is, associated, running infants approaching, right. That's interesting status because I think we tend to be very focused on the the intense amount of compute storage network needed for the training of these models and and that's that's no small feat but it's interesting that it's actually the the running. That's actually the more expensive component. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Treating is very competition expensive process right and you're right a lot of customers are looking at dissipated training you need. Large amount of bed tons of storage lot of battle but teams. Typically train retrain models like once a week some cases, beer customers who have. Good bottle accuracy that they will train once a month. Right. But once a bottle, it's training. You're running traffic continuously on think about you know Alexa App an example right so rt trades Alexa. Different aspects of except pretty frequently. But. All the time servicing millions of request on permanent base right. So yeah. So Being a really, really big. Day for such a span and. Infrared as targeted specifically at Laurie Dramatically Laurie if I may say. The cost. Of running in. Cheap right and. Catholic meant on start started the journey years. Makes a lot of sense. So maybe tell us a bit more about the if one inflation instances and they face what are the what are they have? What do I do? Right so if one is actually the Instance that is built around the Greenwich Right Thank. You go to the console and you look at. Launch that's. Right. So if one are the Said bilk growing for. And they're designed where all the key components that we had our disposal, the knife or subsystem hundred network thing second generation Intel cascade made processors, alignment bridget's. Really GonNa State of the art technology of pattern into the same time with a very strong focus and lowering cost. Right. So based on the benchmark, you're saying customers telling guest these are. Actually provide indices lowest cost per inference. While giving classic moments. and. If one instances is. Incorrect. Chip or just part of the hardware solution and other really big thing about businesses is I'm what we call it a software development kit. Or the software the bridge. And, this is what we call Neuron or eight of this new era. and New Rana's s opera piece actually consists of all components consist of a compiler runtime engine and providing tools, and at what it does is it takes your pre-trading model and compiles down to bitch that are executable acreage. So these models could be built intensive pipedream. And our as. Plugs in under the frameworks and allows you to take your existing model compiling executing on on the branch. Right. There are a whole bunch of grief beecher's about neurons decay such as smart graph, partitioning, Epi you oughta cast pipelines and urine or groups. More of those, perhaps all hundred stations. And said. So this is really a good example of customers can take advantage of some specialized hardware the the the neuron lamb means I can be building with the traditional frameworks et Cetera that can use all those types of things and not have to worry about being stuck with a particular pricing modality. That super important again, that was. Very clear talking we received that. Customers want to have the flexibility to try a new launch new hardware platform that gives them. The best price I'm trying to get them want to be you don't WanNa be locked in right. So so that's why you know we are are wretched human your intended the hard work of our software into the works and customer just operate on the framework level. They're not coding and things specific neuron just a couple of light changes Kotecki just target target a compilation to neuron. And pretty much it. Kind of mill applications are good fit for the informed instance. So it's a whole range of applications right. So we are extending costumers use them for image and video processing We're seeing the US national language understanding. Speak Conversion. You're seeing some customers that are doing documented analysis about analysis. So it's a whole range of. Of machine learning applications it's not it's not bound to certain classification model types again, get away. And works the price performance you see he's going to be model type model type. We're seeing across all about fish. So it really is a case of trying to trying to test if it makes sense in in your environment and maybe to you that what develop as need to do to the application to let them run on on. So I think one of our core focus was we wanted to avoid making developers right custom code to Tarvainen. Francia right. So if you're in your model framework and you're making a standard. Load model calls run bottled calls you WanNa make sure that those all. remained the same yard to change. Those right. So there to. Love a lot of cases. This could be an environment variable you set where you say targeting a GPS you're targeting. Influential. Chip. Said could change us? Environment variable. Keeps Congratu-. We do require a compilation step. So I talked about Iran and how it takes model and about the bits that actually donate veggie chip. So that compilation processing step where you energy just invoke the compiler again, this is true the framework. Once you eating boulder composer you'll get an artifact. I file that you couldn't representative by model and you can just do that across the of. Instances. Across Our scaling groups that you're going to automatically react incoming traffic so. At a high level again spunk into a machine and framework your choice. Couple of coaches you need to make more just target. The compilation process and made sure it is pointing to the new. Pretty straightforward. Now, you mentioned GP before I think is important because I know when I looked at this as well. I'm like hang on I. Understand how GPO is exciting fits really well into a lot of email applications head is. Compared to the GP by synthesis like how do I know what to choose and and what are some of the trade offs I need to think about? Yeah so great. So if you look at a portfolio, you know last year October timeframe we launched. Or instances and price of really proclaim the market where. We wanted to make sure we get customer the best price performance or jeep. So. So G. Four by far the most continental keep you plan on having a portfolio and the most across industries, right? So if you have code. That has dependency on GP libraries and you know and it's very involved. Probably sticking with GCA says probably the best solution for you, right. In this case G. for instance says perfectly good solution for for that particular case right In the other case where you don't have a lot of dependency on gp specific libraries and you operating the machine learning framework level. You should be able to. Start giving French an influence. Seamlessly quickly now in that case, customers are reporting does that they're seeing forty to fifty percent lower costs per inference. than. Aws. GPS and says, while seeing higher interest group of latency. So what that means is essentially able to meet or exceed the proponents characteristics around at how many inferences we can make on a per second basis time I particularly in French. While giving then forty to fifty percent of production and the actual cost ramparts. So, apples to apples checkout and. As I mentioned earlier the the the percentage of benefit that you're going to see over GPO's is going to bury on model to model type basis. Monthly released agents or the neuron updates. Every month grabble to come in and actually crew performance as you're supporting. Brought US L. Operators and fine tuning the operations of the ones that big McCarthy half so. If you if you are able to your leverage Najji pupil oems tweet software, you should see about. Production in your Kaufman's. Sets differently with a benchmark experiment to to to test before you do it. Now, if you if you are testing it, can you go let's say you were using GPO instances and you want is dried out on if wine and then you go. Can you go back again? Is it a one my door to? Door nearly because the starting point forced A. Customer looking to branch. Is a pre train model that is agnostic of any hardware types right. So the model artifacts itself, you're creating that your train of most likely you're using a GPS to do that keep learning model and case you might be using seek news, but the model is where we start from. And the journey that I just talked about that, you would actually invoked neuron to the framework. That is only. Specific to to running doctrine bottling Reggia. Other than that you're model is still dusting off any hardware types you take the same model and say. Concurrently. I'm going to run into GPS to apple steps. Paris's right. Absolutely. A two door. You can go back or you know. The Dow taking any dependency. Upstream and your model development or your your your your training were close. And isn't an example of applications really irony the Amazon services using the infant instances for the processing. Absolutely yet, we talked about Alexa. Earlier this year so Alexa. Level has multiple different types of machine learning models that work in the back end. You know the first portion of that workflow is SR automated speech locations. When you talk to her, she recognizes the words you're saying. The middle or Hugh Natural language understanding where she tries to track what you're asking for, and then response mechanism the background that comes back and said, okay, she asked this the answer and the last piece is a t t s just text to speech where. The software will cut up and say, okay here, the wards that need to be spoken out, and then there's machinery model that'll take those words back to speech and played through this eager. So. Given work maples leave the team over the last six months and. Nursing. Fifty to sixty percent reduction in their cost and alter improvement in their agency by Russia. So. Dale the process of moving guys going really well, we had the whole. Setup internal. Close. They're excited to actually using influence suddenly wholesome observances excited about the faculty of using one. So. Someone's listening to these podcasts gang didn't know about that. I'm doing some work in this area it would be good to get going where can I reach out to and how do they sort of get healthy? For people who are want to get French the the quickest easiest way Tuesday theater. If you're not aware of age maker hits are into machine learning service that enables us. SMERSH to bill train and deploy machine learning model this managed service and influential. Is supported. Yes as vicar so if you're getting started. Machinery and what are using branchy in instances quickest and easiest way. Through Amazon bigger N- non the other hand if you are. Your own machine learning service already and you want to just look at. Instances and again, a feel of infringe chips. Than what I would recommend check out our our GETUP H D Ron We have a lot of games are content get example workflows for trading such than fifty overt. Across various he can frameworks. P- So record for you to get started there and just pull up on these example getting started guides just just be. Right now, looking to actually you know reach out and get some help. You know the best quickest way is to get a support forum We have a generic that monitor customer requests on a regular basis, and they have a goal to get back to any new request in within within twenty four hour. So if you have a question, I'll of abortion around the on works are. Assigned results that you're seeing is want to better understand. We talked to us. And, what about from a roadmap perspective I mean if there's one nine that's moving quickly it's this one. How can people know what's what's coming up into the things like items, Neuron. Important because dispute moving. So quickly on every six, basically there's a new model type that you. Can't blows the door for new set of use cases. We understand that customers are eager to understand the direction that we're heading the stop wear roadmap or Meuron. Actually. Publicly available on our get up site you can actually go look it up you features and capabilities you're working on could plus one or Mark your support for a particular feature said if there are things that are not on your roadmap creek or let us. You Know Amazon. There's one that you know. For certain. Follow dock and make sure that are not as as. Inclusive. Definitely having having that customer feedback is so vital to what the teams do and what about feature investments advertising franchise the first custom chip that either basically built for machine learning what the future investments look. So that's Already question so Machine learning is excited base for all US not just not just. Rights that we're seeing all the cool things customers have been able to do. It is going to be ongoing investment. Both on the soccer harbourside, can we don't rest on the capabilities we have have out. In the market you WANNA, make sure we continue to improve them. So like I mentioned on the software side, the team is iterating on business features, movies and updated performance, and on the Hubbard side want to continue to push the. Boundaries right. So the price performance that able to offer today you WanNa make sure that it'd be better that over the next you know a year a couple of years rising, right? support. Short, an ongoing investment is really important for our customers and what they're told us, you want us to continue to grow Saddam Grease. Or, what mls capable of doing and one of the core underlying supporting element is the cost grandparents, right so if If your is your cost to make predictions is too expensive. Deploy machine learning at scale. That's GonNa hold you back and that. Nick show that. You, know. Through knocking from short-term some It's a great point and it's really into in continuum got the the training pot, which has its own requirements, and then the the actual inference ongoing inference palm at Sidley something I hadn't thought a lot of that but this has been really useful SOA. Jason thanks so much coming on the PODCAST and sharing some new perspectives. Thank you. Thank you for having. Great to be here anytime, and thanks everyone for listening. We do love to get feedback was podcast at Amazon Dot. com is the place to do that, and until next time keep on building.
Batman Knightfall Part 9
"This episode of keeps some Lunatic. Sidekicks is brought to you by tweaked. Audio get awesome headphones. Get tweaked audio dot com and use the coupon code southgate get thirty percent off reshipping in a lifetime. Warranty can get there through the link on our website. Southgate Media Group DOT COM CA. Parrot annual listing Take SIDEKICKS PODCAST. Dogmas ally Welcome back podcast. I am bill joining the always should department. Now you're back for more night. Paul one four breaking pine four nine from July Nineteen Ninety. I laughing. I wonder who one of the VILLAINS IN THIS ISSUE PRETTY? I don't know last. I don't think I had to like relive all the sounds out. The joker laugh laugh though thinks. Yay when in doubt empowers harbor new So yes famine. Four Ninety six cover fatman beating joker to pulp no worries. There's Robbie go strong. Yes how Apropos. So yes I laughing. Start off with the. Hey remember. Zoos. Burning Avenue Zoo Enthusiasm Luzon. Who Don't never see her again. She's reporting from the zoo. Firefighters have it under control Batmans triumphant again as usual unavailable for an interview. The keeping up on need that need that we are that we are Batman So the joker. The joker in scarecrow are still having their sleepover with other junk. Nope subtext there and also led the is with a k. So even bigger burger roles. It's even the corn. Curls START THE CORNSTARCH K. Also I agree all around. I move but jokers. That's at our next phone. Call scarecrow what. We'll turn next phone call. Didn't you hear that you hear? That may be dead on his feet but in in perfect position to become that on his back. Okay I see the subtext there by C. Ya I know that made me sad above. Okay would check about the last three years. I don't know. Oh consumer goods. I feel like Shiloh. Above is probably the one that's out on the Out on the sheet check anyway all right all right opened this whole thing with joker in scare coaches like. I've never killed bats before. God His snot nose. Sniffling partner wants out. We'll be back with four spoilers. Then the scarecrow after after joker smack in the face of potato chips says threatens fear gas he's like. I'm looking forward to it Sniff anything but yet. Bruce have like twenty suits in the trunk of Batmobile may Allah five in the trunk and then when he opens his closet like twenty more right lit up in a case in the bat very now Oliver Queen Ally era so he literally has junk in the trunk degrades do. Oh Yeah I have these in on that on the on the APP or I have all the music now and I can lean all these. It is literally labeled Kona Button. Now Buddy Patriot. Literally own Bud So yeah the cops trying to get this issue will a red trench coat with a purple suit will do a yellow hat. Is He colorblind? I don't know what's going on. Why's hardy amounts broke? Your heart agree Jane as your favorite Drink Joey. Heart Harvey Joker scarecrow rose. At the mayor's house. Yeah so the feminist we care about near like just like lane or whatever Bam that man had to. Bsa Bullock from the booby trap. You tell US getting haggard made some five o'clock shadow dark so yet. Joker joker scarecrow. Go to the middle. The M- this Tunnel Own Arafat's laughing yes type you one of those Wacky GAGS PSYCHOTIC. Loria so I mean. They're gonNA well if they got a rocket. Launcher Joker rocket launcher. Eat seeking missile. Look at that. Oh yeah someone said subtexts alert so someone's envious of Batman Dam on people. Don't get your hopes me too. So yeah just jokers wielding his Envy Big Bazooka. He easily Iceland basically caving in the tunnel. Both Fans Hayden cougars. Kiss carefully. Hail Right. What's going on man? What's going off the phone? I'll come up with subtext button. Nemo were third like gas in the Mayor. Again in the cobras already on the mark. So yeah so they gas. The mayor told the call. Commissioner Gordon Bullock would happen the Batman Happen Montoya locked me right now spor. It's not it's okay. It's okay to right out of death store. Seven bullet right now. Exceeds appeared in the animated series. And stuff at this point. They probably couldn't kill me if they wanted to like archie bunker. Worst air but yet. Tollbooth tollbooth explosion. Harbourside entrance to Gotham rubber tunnel. But they actually have the National Guard in this world definitely. Don't I guess yet? 'cause the mayor there for one up apparently keeping his people from China it National Guard bogner rises. We get it you ever stop watching TV dog. Oh you're saying he wasn't patient he was just addicted to TV Rano Browse Gringo. What is his TV speaker? So yes America. Gordon says laugh Before the serpent's kidney like do Simpson told you that. I was literally taking a drink every time he said back. The Kid Burns. Traffic backed up for six miles his meal of that. That's nothing like Ford says says who might beer call from traffic? I'm sorry it's order. Who My cocaine. And gator. Yes the joker care combined. Wealth chaos with more disciplined. Nicot take city. That's the beauty of the rogues lewisite. Watch them burn although Gotham Burns itself. So it's just like how many times have you get puppy at that point. How many times is the joke even said that he's like you wouldn't know what to do without you. Hardly have a word of mouth so subtle. Some texts bird figure that Batman will stop them better because once he gets through that tunnel he runs our gauntlet with those things. Sticking on the back of his head I must be weird choice or that all late in playing. I mean he's got that ingrown ears that would make more sense besides raked the brain would like if you have like a thing like jacket right into hearts the heart which is instantly pump it through his body. We Chuck Dixon every chuck. Dixon design yet. I wonder if there's too much creative. Input maybe yeah. Yeah the idea. Yeah yeah it gives them. Things was head. Yeah you mean the Good Old Florida. Get along to get along you know how. Maybe you know those those back conferences. Who knows what is going on. Oh created by Chuck Dixon. Doug mentioned Graham Nolan. We're GONNA BLAKE RAMS so two writers artists you throw to writers in an artist in a room. That's what you get Linda Dogmas Zero. It went complicate. We don't do. They don't be so. Yeah the COP shop. The tunnel wrecks of cars. Oh my God lake is offering frigging some looks like our route. Razzle here show Yeah page fourteen pillow had cops like what are we do commissioner after we the whole tactical team at that fun house you know the tunnel might the trough Batmans like? I'll attract traffic end? The mayor's life I've went for Gordon say so some time if you let them lay have the near. I'm just saying wealthy family cares about the Mary. Stop Joker scarecrow. I don't put will take. Were been intrepid before burn stoned but I love Tim. Tim Stuck into Newark Cave. At least you stop the ridler. When Batman finds out I really had it nosy have too much on his mind. That brute love after love only has another issue. I don't think she shows up. Yeah the where you'RE GONNA BE PLENTY. Hurson uh-huh yeah 'cause yet scarecrow gases Bruce and of course his biggest fear is you know death of Robin So Yeah Batman Still Takes off the scarecrow and then Jesus looks good looking for the joker appear on scarecrow. in scarecrow jokers taunting. The mayor with a baby rattled Snakes are his worst fear told Batman. What punches through looking up in the booth or something so Yup Punch through the glass scraps way to keep your eye. I know he's been gas. But we will keep your identity bruce because he's grabs joker face and joker to knows identity forger screaming Jason Policies and todd. Jason Pawn I mean although unless joker just think that's one of fifty million people he's killed. I mean probably Jason Jason Society kicking really care that much about Lord knows you did your reuss short. Aren't we all know? He was listening to red headed stepchild. I don't Care Oh he kicks them right in the clown car but then you know means business once you once you get one of those haymakers and slash page we've got. I'm just saying easier old. The next deal. I mean. You're the expert. That's not one of those. Don't keep punches. Believe junker down. I really getting Beating Joker will never forget what? I'm saying Gas made him sees greatest. Fear only made him mad as you dusk the poop big bazooka but yet but during the time of the bombing gobble gobble. Ringtone got big units but yeah so of course these maniacs rushing off missile launcher in a tunnel under the river. Because I guess what's coming through the river I go the jokers like you can stop us or save. The mayor is opponents. Think he's right. I can't do both Montana's condition school. Wow Wow wait which movie so. Yeah that me grabs the mayor just as the water comes pouring in new harbour new. So we're so close one issue between US detective issue. And then it's you know what's coming Boy Reich for you. Want the joker by Arias leading. Break everything in the whole night just about. I think this one okay. This was the first one guy. The I scare younger went up more because people don't team up with joker for long you know I wouldn't mind. Scarecrow dying coming back again But later on a beach comeback. Separately in by jean-paul unbelievably. So but both I think they both. I think they both get three reporters to the top dog. We we hate him so much. We know what What you're working with here. Though man every choice I I liked me to hate the history. It sorry y'all but it was the EHRE. Dc thought they had a formula go. And you know this was their reign of the supermen. It was like I appreciate something different. Ability did drag on too long. They tried to spin out so many things energy Always hearing reign of the Superman. But I'll at least with rain in the super mega four different supermen who each one like their own. Both Jean Paul. It was like three books. Jean Paul Yeah especially who forgot but especially for a guy who think Bruce Wayne brutally crap and he literally has he literally just lived in the cave. He'd even go upstairs or anything. Nothing no I mean. We did get a cut. We'll we'll get couple storylines with bruce you know tracking down. None doctor plot device following clues the artwork. I thought story moved. Pretty DANG FAST. Actually the buildup come back. I thought House is. I mean unless they were just wait. You know they're like okay okay. We're almost there so yeah. Let's pull the punches known slowdowns giving going. I'm surprised that doesn't let up either side site. I'm surprised what happens at four ninety seven and it happened in five hundred surprised at this point so ego they. I'm surprised he didn't combined. You know everything that happened in five hundred plus the whole thing. They don't get ahead of themselves. They go oh crap why we do. We think as wanted to splash at fancy new suit all over multiple covers a five hundred. I'm trying to think I mean reign of the supermen was probably first but this was probably another like one of the Earth for early versions of variant covers where there's different covers for five hundred. There was a fancy cover a regular cover. It was one of those holographic covers. There might have been a holographic cover enough. There is one Jean Paul Horn Bain Bain or something. Yeah that sounds an unethical. There was one is just jean-paul standing there. And it might have been like a to cover thing where it was like Bruce Online and then Jean Paul and the other yeah I swear they did at least two or three covers for that thing which these days would have got twenty hour cover. Whatever he by. Oh yeah speaking of I mean probably that first week but diamond says there are coming back. May Twentieth. Okay okay glad that you know they figure out even though you know alive anyway I was talking to my. I was talking to my guy at the store today. I mean 'cause I said our exciting new like those of other distributors were sent out. These folks like the Nathan comedies. Like no he was for diamond. He said I mean I don't know what's going on. He was like security is like I want to be surprised if he gets sued for attracts. But you know Yeah Jeanette break this. The and has come up. But they're saying all bunch of the stores closed so that's why they didn't ship out books you know but like my guys even say to like family we will you will. You will come through seriously. We will. I was going to. You got a lot of the smaller glitz. Our was digital or stores. They did it so you know Mike. Guy Was saying he keeps. He's waiting for diamond. 'cause I guess to to distributors these use it I mean what are they few mid mid pound or something midtown comics some like my God. I'm not going to support a competitor might blow DC space. All distributors gets is a D. C. B. S. I think that's what they said. I find that funny because like forget it. D- CBS. While that's not apropos. Name I do want to support people kind of breaking away from down in you know it's been no innovation on this. I mean as much as everybody supposedly hates the idea Amazon having been of perfect yeah guess a legal channels probably up go through these was just like Winnie that. That's not a shocking. Acs is pretty timid about the Fallible whole probably been less than unless they're gonNA argue. Oh Hey diamond breach contract. I don't think has money. Rc clear who are bigger here. But I didn't read it yet. But the Batman. The the adventures continued number. Three came out this week so I like him but I don't know I just bring back. I saw that it makes me things idea revived the Spartan and we present rights guy. Season didn't happen and again. It's a Conroy here. We still got him. And it's like you know this thing's going to do ratings or you know even if they put on a streaming service not pay for it you know people are GonNa pay for it Acl IN VEGAS. Little doubt. Obviously the kids up with that are growing town. And everybody's mugging justice dark chocolate is it a Side War apocalypse. Loria Iran. Did you watch it yet? Units Merle almost nutty things about it. So would you shopping? Utterly shocking isn't a one of the last few in this. Nudie of I've watched but I thought the wife of people were talking about it being the last one in continuity or something. This is the last one I thought there was one more. I don't know I thought her. Spoilers a hundred characters get killed and stuff or getting messed. Yeah I know a Lotta a lot of heroes. Don't have speaking. I'm like it's raise see what's going on with that yet. 'cause I was almost GONNA say hey. Should we do this for capes this week instead of our x? Men Plan but that's kind of bring on Charlie though to votre true you maybe we can do that. We have one more week. We can do that. Flash ON WOOLSEY OR SHOULD WE WAIT till it hits blu-ray on streaming reading. It is extremely. Yeah so Yeah Amazon. Groomer. Wasn't I pay you sitting? There are and then what do you what do you mean to earliest bringing on Charlie's the king of streaming remember full stream ahead are Napa biggles streaming. I mean a lot of them I do is too many of us get one more. Sorry gloves out. All the recess recession by the head. What if his company? They said they gets the work on. What if at home not interested? I usually impudence doing. I'm sorry just so good. It's the best thing he has done for our award is. I will tell you that in that answer. I think it's one of the best things ever for star wars fight me nerds for merchandise like I'm so jaded I don't hear I call it your story. Yeah it needs a couple of reasons. There's subtle things in their issues of the Batman. Action that man. I really wish they will focus more months way. Evan bullet. Yeah I see. Is One liners. Oh I I think it was just the timing. Because she's bran nukes it. Just turn the enemy series at this point says author. Wait and see where the animated series. We're not is welcome for a while your books pre-crisis and then like he disappeared for a while and then they brought him back. I'm thinking maybe because he was on the animated series also using real. No I think wasn't he working for like was a checkmate or somebody in Rehab. Think he was enough bulk. Like checkmate had a bulk radio. I think I remember that. I think like right after crisis. Maybe let's like I might have read one issue without or something somewhere but yeah I those looks that don't remember that or if can I think it was one. I think it was one of those crossovers. What was it like checkmate suicide squad? Captain Atom One of those things average set me checkmate Mua Slava. Like I said I've read like one or two issues. Yeah I just think I just read the accidents part of across. Oh my God I feel so old right now I just realized smuggles old old Chevro- almost twenty years. How well when it started. How it's it's like ten years since it ended anyway anyway so yes so like we said next two weeks. We're GONNA be taking a break off light bulb because recovering the season finale of flash followed by the premiere star girl after it gives you your homework reading. That's right so read off Ray but man you're on your favorite character Batman anger everyone nailed it. So yes do you reading next up. Detective Comics Sixty Three Batman. 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Stock Market Is Getting Close To Being Washed Out: Maley
"This portion of PNL is brought to you by pimco for investors who demand more than the markets deliver. All investments contain risk and may lose value. Consult your investment professional before investing. Welcome to the Bloomberg PL podcast. I'm Pimm FOX along with my co host Lisa Abramowicz. Each day, we bring you the most important note worthy and useful interviews for you and your money. Whether you're at the grocery store or the trading floor. Find the Bloomberg PNL podcast on apple podcasts. Soundcloud and Bloomberg dot com. If you blink. You will probably miss the direction of stock markets. They are with thing around. They were down than they were up as much as a percent on the NASDAQ, which has been leading the losses and the gains. And now they're up solidly. But way off that NASDAQ up two tenths of of two tenths of a percent. Joining us down Matt mainly equity strategist for Miller tailback can company joining us mad. How do you interpret the whippy action that we've seen that really has marked every day over the past few weeks after past few weeks excuse me feels like a Friday. Yes. It's well yesterday's was in petunias, particularly worrisome because a lot of these big swings. We've seen have been kind of wondering where we don't other words. Well, say to direction on other words, the first direction is in the morning. We either open up very strongly or open down very strongly, and then and then we move in the other direction. So that's kind of a second move yesterday. We actually had three moves. And I think that you know, that does nothing but make people more uncertain, and as we all know, it's an old cliche. But it's very very true. There's nothing worse for the markets. No, the marketing ain't nothing more than uncertainty. And I think this has got people stepping back from this rally this morning. I mean, it's still holding up a little bit. But where well for highs on the day. Matt mainly in your experience is it possible. To know how many shares of a particular stock need to be traded in order to move that said stock in one direction or another. I'm sure there have been many studies on it. But for exact numbers, I'm not aware of. Okay. The reason I bring that up is because hardly anyone has that information. I've never met anybody who can tell precisely what kind of volume is necessary in order to move stock in the reason I posed this to you is because the prices are determined not by long-term shareholders who may not ever touch their positions. But I'm wondering who determines the price that we see on a daily basis not on a long-term basis, but on this volatile trading basis, while I'm afraid nowadays, of course, more than more than ever. I it's these, you know, it's the mechanized trading. And we all talk about Al goes and high frequency traders, and such we've been talking about it for years, but there's no questions they play a big role. And and the thing is in former days when you didn't have such a, you know, there was recognized trading around for a while. But with these algorithms. Are just kicking immediately. But not only do they add by orders went one on the markets going up, but they cancel sell orders of the castle offerings the same on on in the opposite direction when they add so orders, they cancelled their bids, and this exacerbates the big swings that we have in the marketplace, and it makes it for a much harder. For for us to regain are kind of investor confidence that we need to go to form an exact he kind of v bottom for this the selloff. So given that confusion, can you read anything into this? I know that you have a lot of specialty looking at technical analysis, and sort of watching the markets and the patterns, are you gleaning anything, or is it sort of all over the place because of this of the noise. Well, no, I actually we you know, we are seeing some things now. I mean, the showing that we I think we're getting close to a bottom. The problem whenever we have in terms of time. I think that we, you know, we're starting to see a big pickup in volume where seen some of the the the major groups. I'm sorry. The major averages being oversold maybe not yet to inquire. The big extremes usually see but still getting very close to that. We're also seeing sentiment. I mean, I look at the daily sentiment index which measures futures traders it's only ten percent bulls right now, that's quite a quite extremely sometime you usually need to see it fall into the single digits, but we're getting very close to that. So the problem is with these mechanized tradings going on you could see a big nother downdraft another down five percent or more on over a couple of days before we get that bottom. But the thing I like the most right now is what we're seeing in some of the really beaten down groups like the housing starts, and the Bank stocks they've gotten so oversold that they've really getting to a level. They should be bought. I believe number one. And number two this week they've outperformed the rest of the market. So they're holding up much better than the rest of the market shows that at least they're getting washed out. So I think the rest of the market is getting very close to being washed out as well. Matt may the I just want you to offer a little bit more detail into the technical aspects of trading in the sense that sell orders can be. Canceled because you might put out a bid there to sell a large block of stock. And by the time, you get back any information about what's available at a particular price, you then cancel that order, which is as you say what accentuate changes in volatility. Exactly, they again, these these the way these things are set up in fractions of a section, and I mean real fresh tiny when millions of it. Well, when thousands of of a second these orders can be canceled. You think you've got a bid to hit another words that you can sell it at a certain price. When you go down to sell it. It's not there and then suddenly you're selling at a lower price. And if you put a market order in and then suddenly you're hitting instead of sending a lot at one price you sold just very little there. And then you sell the stock down. So it's it gets overdone tell you, though, if we get another downdraft, I believe the best way to play does not try to pick the bottom. But while I call line the book in other words, if you wanna buy a thousand dollars worth of a stock by two hundred. At one level, then by another two hundred dollars down half, a dollar below that and below that below that line at all the way down you're never going to be able to pick the bottom. But that way, your average price will be actually quite good. And you won't be sitting there trying to chase things around with all this mechanized trading is going on Matt what do you think driving the sell off? Well, I think you know, it's threefold number one is the the Federal Reserve sticking by their guns and saying that they're going to continue to tighten. And the one thing is that they've been fighting for two years now almost two years anyway. And and that's what happens it usually take usually a big lag between when they start tiny when it has an impact on the stock market. Now, the same thing is true on the the these things with the trade issues with China. I mean, it was a lot of talk. But once these trade, I'm sorry, these terrorists were actually imposed. That's when it started having impact. And it is having an impact as we're seeing on well at least not earnings right now, but on earnings guidance, and that's a big concern. And the last thing, of course, I think is Europe with this thing of Italy. The people. You know, we've seen the European banks Falwell into bear market territory before our market started applying. It's something people were ignored and not paying enough attention to so it's kinda three three prong thing here. But you know, it's it's the economy's still fine. I I think this correction is healthy and normal. It could be a little bit deeper actually could even go down another. You know, like I said five or six or seven percent more. But we don't want things to go up in a straight line. This is actually healthy. And I wouldn't I wouldn't get overly concerned. It's scary. But the that's that's the way it works. Thanks very much for being with us. Matt Maili is the chief equity strategist for Miller Tae back and company, and it sounds as though he's bullish at least the on the price action. I mean, this price action is mind boggling now, we're back down to barely any gain. At all, the NASDAQ. I mean things have absolutely been swinging all over the place today, and they have been over the past few days that certainly undermines confidence in and of itself. And you've got this selloff while. I mean, even though the S and P five hundred is higher by a little bit more than six and a half points. It is off its highs of the day. And we're almost doing around turn to where the market opened. General Electric has been a sore spot for equity markets for a long time. And today it almost looked like they were ripping the band aid off. And then a regulator is turns out are looking into the company. Bricks other land, Bloomberg opinion, columnists covering all things industrials toys this now. So what's going on here? And why can't she just catch a break? There are a couple of different things going on here. So you know, you reference regulators what they said on the conference. Call is the SEC is expanding its investigation into the company's accounting practices to include this twenty two billion. Goodwill charge that they booked in their power unit. Now, the SEC started this investigation after GE said in January that it was gonna have fifteen billion reserves shortfall related to a legacy insurance business. So to me, it's not terribly surprising that the SEC is going to look at this goodwill charge because it's basically the same issue. So the insurance business GE reviewed that every single year. So then all of a sudden come out with the fifteen billion dollar shortfall. I think raised a lot of questions about the credibility of their internal controls. It's the same issue with goodwill. I mean GE reviewed that as recently as the second quarter and said that the, you know, carrying value exceeded the fair value, and so today, and all of a sudden do a complete one eighty all of a sudden had this twenty two billion dollar charge. I think those are the same questions now the difference. I think in the bigger point is that GE also said the DOJ is now investigating the same things. SEC was looking into including this goodwill charge, the department of Justice, meaning it could be potentially criminal. Yes. And so I think that obviously adds another element of risk here. The other factor is now that you're bringing this goodwill charge into the SEC invasive investigation. There's a number of shareholder fraud lawsuits out there against GE related to that insurance. Reserve shortfall this just sort of adds more fuel to their claims wonder if you could tell us what? What the effect or potential effect? This might have on the credit rating A G. Yes. So an SAP has cut its credit rating on a GE earlier this month or now at BBB plus down from a and Moody's and Fitch put their ratings on review for downgrade personally up to say that's long overdue, and they were about the last people to wake up to the fact that GE's earnings and debt prospects for the foreseeable future are nowhere near that realm of credit worthiness. You know in terms of the numbers from today in changing their outlook. I don't know if there's anything that would necessarily, you know, dilute that more other than just sort of the ongoing challenges at the power unit, which he says is going to cause it to significantly mishits cash flow targets for the year. So why were the shares up ahead of the market open? When the company said that it was going to cut its dividend which was widely expected, but still it means that shareholders are getting. Less money and missed estimates. And still their shares rallying until I mean, it almost makes you feel they shouldn't have conference calls right by now. I. I think you know, why you saw the shares rallying the dividend. Cut was expected. But I think it's the kind of aggressive action people are really looking for out of Larry Cole. And I think I talked to you at the time when John Flannery cut the dividend last year about how it probably wasn't going to be enough. And that the payout was still going to soak up way to higher percentage of their free cash flow, and that was with their, you know, old target now, obviously with the new target, it becomes even more untenable. And so I think this was a bold step, and it was also a necessary step when you look at all of these potential capital calls GE and ongoing struggles in G power. I mean, he needed to do something to shore up the balance sheet. And I think this was what investors were looking for, you know, and there's some debate about GE has long been sort of a retail investor attraction. But you know, you probably lost some of that base when they cut the dividend the first time around so that maybe why you're not seeing quite as painful of reaction is. Is the power unit at GE salvageable. That is the question. You know, there's a lot of debate about this. I do think it's interesting what they're doing. So they said they're going to split the power unit into two, and so one will be primarily focused on the gas turbines equipment and services, and then the other will be sort of all of these other assets that are in power. So that steam that's nuclear that's power convergent, not all of those other assets are bad, and they're not necessarily as exposed to the sort of structural transition where you know, the preference is really shifting to renewable energy technologies because they're cheaper. But some of these assets like industrial focus generation equipment or the grids business. Those still have a relatively viable outlook. I mean, you think about AB is trying to sell its grids business and is getting pretty high valuations for it. And so the idea here is to sort of create almost a bad Bank of power assets. And then, you know, an okay ish Bank of these other assets. So that should help the other big thing. Has cost cuts. But you know, there's a big debate on how much those costs cuts are actually going to translate to the bottom line GE's done a lot of restructuring over the years, and we haven't really seen that playoff. And there's issues in Europe to given the agreements that they made as part of the 'Alstom deal around jobs numbers as to how deep they can cut their many, thanks always Brooke Sutherland, Bloomberg opinion columnist all about deals and industrial companies today fixed income demands more than a fixed approach, it means staying ahead of ever changing markets making the most traditional strategies, but also looking beyond them, not just finding opportunities for investors. But creating them we didn't invent fixed income, but we reinvent it. Every day, pem all investments contain risk loose value. Investing in the bond market is subject to risks. Consult your investment professional prior to making an investment decision. After the close of trading today. We will get quarterly results from Facebook. And here to tell us about Facebook, and other technology stocks is none other than Colin Gillis. The director of research for Chatham road partners calling Gillis is Facebook as big as it's going to ever get them. It's always a one wonderful pleasure to speak with you. And let's put this in perspective. Right. We've gotten three names out of the five letter. Fang tech stocks that have reported right Facebook, apple Amazon, Netflix and Google, and we know that of the Amazon Netflix Gould reports that we've seen the stocks of all traded down. Today's Facebook's turned the stock is declined over thirty percent from times lie. I do not think it's peaked. You don't think it's peaked? In other words, do not you think it's going to rally I do. And so I understand the concerns that they're running out of users. The concern is literally, you know, they've got two point two billion users or about three point five billion humans on the internet. So that's going to be a constraint factor. I definitely understand that the putting in more and more expenses around privacy and contact control. But they're going to be able to extract over time more value per user. And while you may see margins come down. They've told us that quite clearly, right. This is still a company that's going to grow its revenue this quarter somewhere along the lines of you know, thirty four percent on a year basis. It's a real business. If it's a real business than those billions of users are potentially at risk if something goes wrong with the platform and something has gone wrong. Previously. Correct. Correct. Yeah. This is this is the risk reward equation. Right. And this is why some people have decided to exit their investments in rotate the money into other names. Right. But given the the magnitude of the pullback and also like you said has gotten his largest summer going to get I it's market cap is four hundred ten billion dollars. Still well below you know, we're Google but seven seventeen Amazon seven forty five much larger than Netflix at one hundred and twenty four billion Colin I'm wondering heading into twenty eighteen what was your outlook on Facebook shares? So we were concerned. Concerned that the market was not factoring in the cost related to the privacy efforts that they were that they had to implement. I am some of that did bear out to be true. But now, I think the pendulum has swung too far the other way hold on one second because you were talking about how it's a real business. And how it's you know, it's not as big as Google, for example. But at the end of the day Facebook, essentially is an advertising platform is essentially a place where they have a lot of eyeballs and they can distribute content to them. But if they're algorithms, and if they're privacy standards are questioned that undermines their business model, I'll be it real or not well only undermines business model if we see users leaving the platform, and if we see advertisers leaving the platform by we're going to see that way, we're going to get that data on the little, you know, a few hours. I we'll see that'd be particularly the most valuable component or the North American by monthly active users, and we'll see if that number moves. I it's kind of stalled out, right? Two hundred and forty one million right? Any lift from that number last quarter would be it would be a positive. So it's not going to grow much, but if he can expect more revenue from those people, right, and that number that are the average revenue per user is people are expecting a nice hefty lift on that the is that each user in the United States are Canada generates about twenty six dollars in revenue for the company. All right now, you talk about the potential for Facebook. Do they have a plan for how to monetize what's at? Well, you know, what's the wonderful messaging service messaging innovate self has not been very well monetize. And so I I wouldn't be focused as much on the I won't be an investor based on the what part of the story. I wouldn't be an investor based on the Oculus part of the story right Instagram is obviously also a growing flourishing business. It's going to have the same monetization Virginia's Facebook. Yeah. Right. You want to make sure that the core business itself is is that they're able to stabilize it. They're able to do. So in a way with it can retain their users with it, can we pay advertisers, and that they can quell both public perception as well as an investor concern, but the management team has a privacy issue that they can't contain. Let's shift our focus a little bit too Thursday. That's when apple is going to report their third quarter earnings shares of. That company up almost twenty eight percent year to date. What do you expect to hear from them? Right. You know? And so the thing with apple is well, everyone will dissect the numbers that they report the most important piece of information, they'll give will be the guidance for the December quarter because they're still very stack to the holiday season. And he if he focused on the iphone itself, right? The conservative the thesis is one of two things, right? It's a stable platform. I wish they can build a successful services business on top of. And that's positive thesis. Or you look at the the unit survived phones. And you say they've done a good job of driving more revenue per phone. But if you're concerned as the unit base, either growing in small single digit numbers or possibly even shrinking, but the revenue is being made up because they're getting more revenue per phone, then that may impact the services business and its ability to grow because, you know, a big part of the story in the faces that the services business will become a major margin driver, and we'll add a higher multiple business onto the lower multiple hardware onto harbourside thinner lighter and has retina display that's the description of the new MAC book air that's just been released in his on sale from apple do you believe that the desktop or the laptop or the computer in PC business for apple is important. I think you know, it's it's really just icing on the cake. And depending on how the the phones move and the are Poos, right? But the rest of it is just kind of considering Sawyer information. Thank you so much for being with us calling Gillis director of research, Chatham road partners talking about what to expect with Facebook coming out after the bell at their earnings as well as apple. Under armor has been a stock that has been hard to get right today. It is surging at twenty six percent after demonstrating that its turnaround is taking hold that is the biggest one day pop in the shares since two thousand eight joining us to break it all down. Give us a sense of. What's ahead is Chen at gratuitous his apparel and footwear analyst for Bloomberg intelligence. So Chen, what's your take? What exactly drove their better than expected results? Hide. I think this is today we actually see the first phase of the turnaround actually benefitting the company, and I think it's mainly on the margin side. And and they took a few steps that are necessary for the business, but the very hard to do. So first of all the inventory inventory was done one percent versus last year. And that was a surprise because we were expecting it to be a lot higher. And when you have less inventory is when you have to do a less discounting. So when Bloomberg intelligence we track for example. The promotional emails your ear. So let's your third quarter. We had about thirty three emails. We got from them. This year is only twenty. So does the thirty percent decrease in this counting so gross margin a higher, and that's what drove most of the benefit this quarter just say that again, you track the number of promotional emails that are sent out by like every company for the companies we covered. Yes. And it gives us some indication you're a year, how promotions look like clearly because I noted that the retailers cited under armor, and several cases as being the cause for why then numbers were not better because they were flushing out the inventory that I guess under armor had shipped to them. Right. So Under Armour would have different channels to clear their inventories. So while they retailers have elevated inventory on Dharma wind up promoting their own in their own channels. So they're able to get their margin that side is this a is this a story about internet? National growth versus growth in the United States for under armor. So under armor is still mostly US. I love more than their competitors. Like Nike and Adidas, so. Yeah, there's still say they're still seeing double digit growth in international markets, but it's so much much lower base. We saw pause and third quarter as it was only about fifteen percent. They think they're going to see a reacceleration of that in the fourth quarter. So going back to about twenty five thirty percent growth. So it's for the most part, it's an international story fund. Or the interesting thing to me is how under armor, certainly, isn't idiosyncratic story. But I'm looking right now at the S and P five hundred sub index of retailers, which is actually outperforming the broader s and p index year to date, which is a surprise because this industry had been left for dead. What does that tell you? So you know, what I got? I got to say when we go into twenty eight hundred I had a, you know, feeling looking at the data that the twenty thousand is going to be the year that retailers actually fight back the five back Amazon to fight back to shift to e commerce. They're trying to. To, you know, the twenty seventeen in a motive surviving survival so closing stores, we just in the inventory, but now they're trying to figure it out. So now, they they're stunning to get tools to actually help them compete to their own land competitor. So getting better insights on data online on which inventory. They should put it in which stores that helps them to again, avoid discounting. So lesson mentor in stores that are not doing well, cutting the cycles of getting merchandise into the stores instead of the nine to twelve months. I can go at three to six months. So you better, you know, you have a better idea in the trends out there in the market, then he not bringing in merchandise. It's not going to sell fast. So as retailers are getting smarter about what they sell in the store, I think people have been compelled to go and visit the stores, they look better and have more on trend stuff, therefore, the cells better margins. A better can you speak to any product that they've introduced that is a big winner for them right now. Specifically on the armor. Yeah. I think actually that's part of the problem. Because what are we seeing is the turn around is mainly about margin. I'm still waiting to see in the product pipeline. What's going to be the next hit now next month in December two gonna have an investor day? And I think over there we'll we're going to see some of the new products are gonna come Nick's year. Twenty nineteen to reignite the growth, rather news, the margins they going to be using technology to make these textiles in these products. I mean, they got hoodies joggers polos underwear. I mean, everything, you know, coal gear. Hot gear, compression gear. I think they want to be known as as the company that actually brings into science through their apparel and footwear. And I think that's the message. They want to send it to consumers, and they're going to continue to sell the I fully. So a is under armor grabbing share from other retailers, or is this just sort of a general increase in demand across the board as the economy expands. So that's not happening yet. I don't think they're taking share away from Nike. Adidas is just that the the sales are getting they're getting a much. A better margin that they did before. So they don't have to clear as much inventory. So we're not seeing that grabbing sharia, but we might makes you and it is a competitive business. Right. Very competitive business and very hard to get into. It's not easy to makes us. No. And not to make them in the volume that Adidas Audi dos as well. As Nike makes and make it yet and make it the design compelling enough that people do buy maybe on musk. We'll get into it. Oh, there you go from John lip. Sorry. No. That's not sorry. Sorry. Not sorry. Sorry. Not. I see footwear in your future. Thanks very much for being with us and grow Swiss is the apparel and footwear analyst for Bloomberg intelligence. You can follow him on Twitter at sea. Grazia Snell spell it. C G R A Z U T S. We all follow him because we want to know what's going on in the world of apparel and footwear. Thanks for listening to the Bloomberg PNL podcast. You can subscribe. And listen to interviews at apple podcasts. Soundcloud, or whatever podcast platform, you prefer. I'm Pimm FOX. I'm on Twitter at Pimm FOX. 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Batman Knightfall Prequel Part 7
"This episode of Cape Some Lunatic Sidekicks is brought to you by tweaked. Audio get awesome headphones. Get tweaked audio dot com and use the coupon code southgate get thirty percent off reshipping in a lifetime warranty where it can get there. Through the link on our website Southgate Media Group DOT COM cast. Oh God what a out. Uh-huh back thou food of war. Nighthawk early don't you say that's great? It's saw Miss O'Brien captain. Dads listen. I'll so yes so tonight's tonight. We are talking Batman four ninety from March nineteen ninety-three so I'm just GONNA go ahead and get this out of the way. This art works at a bit of a Downer on the inside a white from Jimmy. God wrestle all I know. Ceo. But he's doing these Who's doing this? These covers Who did this Travis chairs Hannigan. Ray McCarthy Bob Larose to. I don't know who those people are either. I'm kidding I know say I knew. At least the name one or two names yes to all the like some burn John Byrd Lake Body here obsession. Just looping started Pamela. Neyla Menlo who Batman Bane because Bain looks like a grill blows the chest here. Intensify looks like Fatman lax on his chest. Pain like needs shave his shoulders or something. All that got way too much disaster on the Roads Man. It can stay late. Look like a Bolay land. Grown that suit. You know what I'm saying. I'm seeing while we get next with him. Yes that Robinson was not working for him. Just say Jeez sess let on Cougar. Now yeah this is Chuck Interior. Bruce Being Bruce you know stouter how dare you think? I'm not a good health. Go home weeks it. I just love the the signal the signal fixed. But I'm sure that on my cell phone as my voicemail mantras but yeah so he's still working sedatives but the signals up. Abets gotTa do you gotTa do so. Yeah so timid jean-paul Arabia Answer the Signal Awareness Superman Armand's but then the real Batman Shit. The Real Batman is back for now. He's like you own full Gordon which he'll be proved correct. Won't Gordon well. No the real Batman that's right. So yes the real Batman and Robin show up at court. Gordon's push I sorted. This period of time every issue his leg gets one push it classes off his knows somebody who actually wears glasses reward during this timeframe I believe. And that's the thing you do when you wear glasses nine. Oh Wow people classes person I love like what if you got commissioner and it's like pounding head our imagination Christopher Maloney's voice because that's he does the Voice of Gordon on Harley Quinn pounding head. Sour stomach peeved wife is having dinner with me and a lousy riddle came with the torsion demand. What crowns just one. Bus Can't again. He of new saying he needs a different here. Who you know. No not knowing fate would oh yeah Prince Adam loca look a cross between he and cabbage patch. Maybe we'll just wait. You know once things get rolling pets that hair. Now just yeah. They had to rough this way. Do you people ever really cut up. Magazines ransom mutters. I WanNa know who made this trope. I don't think it ever happened ever in real life more theus back in the day before everyone had printer and soon my mom told me. Don't go ruin in perfectly. Good magazines. Dammit put sooners with the rulers up to. This is the first appearance since we last last right about our friends around the the end of the end of the end of the year when a Dork. Mytalk city for the ridler. Although I will say that. Smarter Day was ridler. Just didn't go far enough but it gave us ridler. I think that's probably why because people just kind of ignore the ridler. A Lot specs Jim Carey fiasco. Would how do you say that show? That fills rab. I won't do it to you either. Which is doing it. That's just the Jersey. No you can't help it Alabama and see check the the riddle fingerprints yeahs. Tim Alright then the code word time you showed up that whole thing related. We can't think about that because I was at the same person so ignorant idiot wasn't the same writer but they mentioned that in this issue. I thought you know. Don't worry your pretty little head Because they sure as hell did it now the TIM's trying to figure out the riddle. Well guess what baby to both to it so they why would you try to hide it? One of the riddle itself is positive. I E eight and of course of course Batman and Robin Disappear Gordon but again Bain and his guys being in his big entourages not again. Batman doesn't notice that being in his entire entourage watching them look. I know look. Those senators are mighty shown otherwise buried. Deli Gordon Salt Lake. Wave at it. We're sure well we all know Gordon do the asthma issues with Gordon Him. None of them saw. How great without a bit of like Jean Paul? Cutting off the air to brain. So don't don't even worry about that teenage tight. Spandex against settled down Cougar. Like tell me no mommy. That's now is religion puberty low. Don't Shimmy puberty man. Take Mike Man. Stiff breeze won't be funny stupid stupid. That use ridler. The story like come on with it already next issue. The Fun starts stupid system that that beacon anyone with the knowledge of China's can eavesdrop on them. Yeah and should be able to see you for Momoa elect to be the way but whatever I mean. It'd be more realistic. They were couple blocks away watching them through like binoculars. Yeah I guess that's not very cinematic. So moving he of course being noticed he's moving slower almost pain and that's probably the reason he didn't faith crock himself and so he goes on to. You know they go. Hey you worry that dude. I'm like yeah 'cause he's trained lake from he expecting occupancy the South American accent. I know he'll never do this. But you know who we need we need to do. I'm all about the library innings these days. You need to do a library to Bain our friend Ray from into the night and midnight podcast that Australian accent doubles anything. Come on you know what? Yeah you mumble. I mean is is mumbling. We could just do the medium in mumble. I was just I just be like yeah. I just watched the dark knight rises. Come on we don't make you. That will be followed. Come on you're killing me. Little Hole borrow the minute. I saw that preview. I said Oh well this is gonNA. He took the money and ran out of years. He's working on yeah. He did So killer CROC was nothing in this ridler a full who plays puzzle games with the Batman for funds even less he that Washer. Mount Bain who is more relevant. Ou Want Garoppolo. He's funny on Harley. Talk on hardly claiming climate. I so Lord unless we make this Laurie force to be reckoned with the pop ups so I'm surprised like they're going to pump up the riddler venom. Surprise it into this whole. Can you imagine if they were to like free to every rogue Arkham and like like? Here's some for you. Here's an offer. You'll didn't they do that. Oh my Lord. Can you imagine you WanNa Venom? Then we'll work on. That would be the PLATTE twins now. He's like yeah all these chemicals. Go look the Lord to solve the riddle. I when I find this rhythm going to pump him over in China make mainstream smart but to me you just in the point is can be It's snowing out. And he still wearing a tank top helps house Martini. Be What you have hung out at a couple of Jones like gyms. Instead they do that they they get really hot like he care out muscle. It'll get really hot. Low Far. You know. Have a thing. For Tank tops. Don't judge me on a totally unrelated topic. Kyra totally totally related as they. Don't worry it's Batman who was this And then there's a swinging away. Tim's tell them about me about being hyper muscle freak through these tubes in the back of his helmet. What Kenya call at home? I thought it was just like a mask but details. Allegations was raised. Make enough. We can't we can't focus on anything. He says pretty new. Jean Paul wasn't you? You know in Patent Forty Nine. Two issues to upset back got sense. He wondered why wasn't union might've even figured it out figured out. Well you know there's something wrong with you. I don't like there's something wrong with being you go to go hold. G. Hand the Ridley. Make you some Damn Camomile Tea. Cu l from make you milk and cooking document. Fool come to riddle. You would have been funnier like with. Wasn't that the Was it wasn't that what they were you know over. That was not the joke to produce with Ridley on that. Note that I'm surprised they didn't. I know see look page seven. Hard to focus on the roller when I keep thinking about the ridler himself. He hasn't made move on since he tried to sacrifice to the Demon Barbados. But why not? He's going to bear. We're all embarrassed at. That situation was ridiculous. Maybe it's taken him this long to recover from the experience or he's been confused until recently convinced you still mcgrew of the demon either way. It doesn't matter see at least. This is like realistic. Because ridler was capita zone. Guys trying to protect that man in that story. Guess what no henchman in this story exactly me. Most idiots are still working for the joker. We have that discussion. I can totally buy into the colts. Joker which is digitally get right about joker jokers ideology in his. You know it's a useful idiot. I told him why people say oh me of the joke or a truck from as you. Did you know that whole thing? It's like whatever your reality you can force back injury. Symbolically biology on it. So that's right. Bro Knocking off like a gun. You're not Batman static laws. No more light cramp is but whatever he's like in the you know the the rivers on top of the Clock Tower Houses Ueno since waiting for work order push offer Belfry. Get it right. It's a bell free. No thank coach. It's lying seven Says the clock tower top number one Gough Plaza one Gotham Plaza for the feathery? Take a drink every time you see that back in the day talking broilers Max Batmans shown up always had his chance said Yeah. I think so coming about me and you sold it. No but I've come to Rachel while ask more than forty now. That's good to know. Thank you seen this where we've seen this before or at or since this. He has a gun that shoots needles just INJECTS VENOM. Rated the ridler. Do you have to say what? Walk Point yes. Maybe that was a little to the top of your labor. We're GONNA pull back. Who Already Santa Claus Frances? Now I now I have a machine gun whole whole whole whole family guy fanatic like me. You will get that out hotel. What am I good in a way? It makes you faster stronger. Six million dollars. That's an old Jim. They don't need all they don't have all night now. Well somebody's bodies ready Where are we doing the punching muck or not Brown? It will last more than forty eight hours while better. Consult a doctor is GONNA say Real Mike. Working by case of that stuff. So yeah if you really want to blow up you can do it at this time. The subtext his regrets. Like what a bomb strapped this bell so in a tolls down as the countdown is the bell tolls because it comes swinging interested in lockout the Ridler is key. I can't feel knocking. I felt nothing. That's not what you WANNA year. Yeah nineties comics. Vibration of each Gong picks my detonator one step closer to do tasting. Wait a second. Oh my Lord. The vibration of each gong takes my detonator one step closer to doom. Don't you understand me on the last call at the stroke of midnight this whole building? We'll go boom yoga's gotTa have a word with you ridler. Call me the RHYMER. I'd like his little microscope. Fenway hammerhead on him but yes Batman is able to stop the final Gong from hitting the bell to a disarms the countdown. What's the battery. But yes he finds the doors within Venom. Cs He takes a back to the bat cave and puts them under that microscope. Who's not on the so? I wonder who he can be paging Dr Plot device Dr Plot Devices Hello Yes can partially function hail him but halfway waist down I really need. We can expect to be up to full speed and effectiveness right off the bat. Would you take? You couldn't help yourself time your prescription runs. I used to be arrested in separatism holistic treatments holistic cheat. Nick truly. Do I might Babe Ruth. I'M GONNA call my shining out of the Oh what apple buys you paid? Every penny of nets will cost a full dollar. Should yet even mentioned how. I'm so grateful. How can I ever repay you? Mr Wayne a right alad was unnecessary. Right thank mantra. I appreciate the special attention. Euro idea was mine but Lucia screened all the individual applicants way. But Not really so then. He hangs up the phone and Lucious Pot on my Lord it's accorded Tham that cave should headquarters before. Cordless cordless is all that event. Oh my Lord my head can knew that. Alford insisted upon it. Alfred's very old school video. Fashion you will fitness rooms like a monitor. Your Calls Young Man. You will put your finger there turn. The Dow Brodry Falls Asleep at the desk. You know the show. That's sweet soup. Death of Superman Orban. Nothing nothing nothing says creature the Dark Lak- oh look commemorative superman. Rv where ever get one Basis we like go to your local comic book show. Don't hit me Batman. Oh Hey where'd you get them are Beth? If only the joker would've shown he would sensible so the cops are virus. Be Porn at work. The same was must have been not connected the Little Hellfire hard-drive Never any viruses for Matt Horne. 'cause I'm a professional is she pays for yeah? She's she's hardcore hardcore. You Need Four K. That's all I'm saying. Oh my Lord. It rises only where it's low side poison chaining bottom to top. It will go arises. Only where it's low side poison chaining bottom to top. It will go another on the form of a computer virus con. Then it'll take us weeks. They get the police database. Pack Online. We just got back online after that rob into many series. Come on come on the police. They don't they don't use. Those things are out. There busting heads in taking bribes money now new series Batman saying the birtles too easy as the venomous acting on his mind as well as his body. Oh making schober wagon are low Megan now unfortunately and again again bannon his whole crew or on the next rooftop. I guess we just follow Batman. Right Bain you trawled. You heard the man. This is easy solve it you could sell. Paint tells his men to figure out the riddle fail and maybe I'll find new AIDS. They're like a side poison. Fools poisoned side sided Meanwhile at the waterfront ridler some sexy fun time watertown with Matt and all his ridler setting up his trap trap Pisa taxings. He yes yes. He seemed grabbing his water. Soluble sack waters Piper issue. Sub-text blurred alleged straighten tags. I'm just saying that soluble sack hits the water. The hyper toxins will be out there. Honi the tide is new again slammed. The tides are going to carry them in. That's right husband's a tough one. We'll `this birth control. Just read in this issue to relearn. I'll be on your long before the Batman. Can the Batman Tackles Water? I'll look again. I told you I can't be hurt. It's true he's crazed utterly beyond Pain Lady. Not Rather but I'm GonNa Shaw exchanging punches kicks. I Love The little candle of his water. Soluble by the way. I mean her area nerd but then the Baynes Baynes boys get there. And they're like he beat us here. Let's send the message anyway. Hey Pat man this is how you really riddle the ridler and they shoot Eilly. He's taking a lease three to the legs under the arm shoulder side and this is since jailed stormtrooper. They're saying never he actually cares. Okay this is how you riddle relearn. I Know Comic Book Batman supposed to try to preserve life. You know he's not Christian Pale I can't I will kill you but we aggravate me to Back Adema Joe come on. It's it's not like the knows. Your identity is going to say it's not like the guys breaking up in Lake. Learn his identity. Wasn't that why he dipped in lasers. Pixie Lake was a brain tumor or something. He was dining sompan meals. Gyn Anyway the slow to save Talk Crap so yeah. The Batman ridler out of the water grabs his sack in. Yes I know of he pulls out a CB radio out of his Belton called. Paramedics harbourside hung on him. Where him down with more formidable role. That's right yeah last. Yeah Baynes men. Report back in You almost beat them to the punch even without me and even though the seemed to be recovering forever easel. This ruler was still too easy. We need frenzy. We've all sound lenient madness. South of the Hellfire weaken no candidate naked. In which case. I'm way ahead of you. Pain Burns says he pulls out the SCHEMATICS FOR ARKHAM. We cracked is shown. Believe me terrible designed for forever. We cracked this show and believe me. The nuts will fly in more ways than one little the you know. I know 'cause they're like even we'll get there next issue but it's like which of these magnet can lead the others to maximize the chaos. I don't know ever hitting plot twist boys and girls. It's actually not Harley. We're not there yet today. Please believe it be Harley She might have just barely Just appeared in the cartoon. Maybe the animated series but yeah. Let's be what she doesn't show up in the Comic Wolf. I mean show up in the Batman Adventures but not the regular comic toll might no-man's-land yes which we covered some rain today. Please leave daffron sirens all day everyday. Gotcha miss the. That would be like the worst team up ever. I knew there was news and I forgot but yeah was it last week. They're saying we're getting What is it a is it? A five issue mini series set in the band. The Animated Series Universe. It's it's Bruce Timbers I personally would prefer like Justice League unlimited. I'm Kinda over. Amanda Animated Series. Because Arlene has just like kind of clouded. Everything for me now. Maybe if this was good I mean they know. This one's a definite you know it's GonNa sell me those enough. Maybe we'll get like some justice league unlimited. Maybe some. I'M A. I'm going to have to tweet that I'm like. Hey I know roofs. That's what that minute animated. But you know other people are super obsessed with the Justice League unlimited to saint you titans for some overs. Maybe you always fat. 'cause I mean you would think they're gonna you know when five G. may be able to do more animated stuff ear. I mean I mean pat ambulance already an ongoing thing. The new. They're doing this. Batman animated mini series. So on up almost expect that may be on but the girl version to show up in bat. Women say counting counting the seasons. I guess my Lord did you. Did you watch about women Sunday? I'm sure you probably didn't know it was good watching that women. Do I think I think Sunday's episode was the best one yet nor county on your not counting the crisis episode. It was probably the best one. Well question doesn't count same. Tell people for legends. Yeah Yeah that actually is not representative Lewis. Astros about at all live take you anyway. I wouldn't story lake. I'm just so sad. The river so easily are making the joke Be I know but I don't think people really took him really seriously until posh yeah although he he does show up nightfall to break snappier head down these no black mask all the nuts like you said. Older nuts are coming out jokers scarecrow. How we deliver something. You really knew that. That's just suddenly shouldn't do. I mean you'd think it wouldn't work basically every band rogue is coming out for nightfall is big people. I mean you get mad hatter ventriloquist how we don't Freak Film Freak People Know. Que Did we know. I think the cavalier gets knocked on one page but to be expected role firefly. No no no good version nor could I be that's ATL- Hellfire whatever care notes can fight me. We we've had this conversation careful more dangerous Nazis sober so clear clear minded focus one one purpose in mind destroy the DC universe overseas even more angry my two moods. I'm a real charmer. I know. Hello Meghan anything grade. Wise it gives us a B minus the art worry just to like scratchy. It's open ellen out it's a product of its time of hope are no but I I've seen better from this timeframe from the same company from these same role in nothing artist. I know but a part of it was drawn out for years. Even at this point scratchy. It was fun fine. The next next episode. It'll kicks into high gear. The real fund against kids once again taunting loophole. Fire the Bazooka. We're going to get one of these days. How I don't know where I'm going to get one in. That's GonNa be the patient on when her her Christmas list looks like Desert Storm. Yes so on that note on that. Yes so yes next. Episode people join us for Batman Four Ninety One Night. Fall part one. That's actually GonNa you gross weight. Are we talking star? Wars all either way no more prequels. So yeah we'll be reverse smack in the part one at night fall followed by night's quest and lights end but it will walk bill so e mail us again emails. 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PODCAST: THE WRONG CARLOS
"<music> welcome to the history though joe podcast series. My name is tyler. Rust your host for the history though joe podcast series the writer under researcher historian and the teacher in residence history dojo dot blog today. We're going to look look at an event in recent history one that has grave implications for our future. We're going to examine the execution. Shen of carbonless delina convicted murderer was put to death for the state of texas not too long ago this case vase the death penalty but this episode of history joe is not going to get into the details and arguments surrounding the death penalty that is an important debate no doubt and one we will examine daman at some point in the future instead while the validity of the death penalty is always in the background of the story we'll be looking at it means for us to have a system where someone like carlos. Luna can be executed <music> this piece about politics power in history. Both the themes of politics and power are important aspects for historical analysis. De peace will have both to who was central question. We're going to focus on to a central questions first. How could an innocent person person by carlos dilute the executed by a system designed to protect the innocent for errors of criminal convictions conviction and secondly. What does it mean if we've nor the execution of how how might it affect us all now. If you have an answer to either of those questions please add them. Did the comments today's show i'm expecting the story have a lot of comments as the issue is sure to provoke powerful feelings. The listening audience history dojo tries to please to provoke arrays debate today he will do all that and more the title of this podcast. I is innocent people who executed the wrong carlos. This is episode episode twenty nine of the history though joe podcast series with every new episode. I feel like we're celebrating something. 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If you head over to blueberry dot com use the promo code history dojo and you'll get the first month posting for free that is a great deal so give it a go all right. It's time for the short and sweet history lesson every week. We devote a few minutes to bring you a very quick and interesting story from history just to add the offerings we have had history this week for the whole short and sweet history lesson. We should probably call it the sticky and sweet history lesson because we're going to tell you about the great molasses spill of nineteen fifteen in boston massachusetts so here's here's the backstory courtesy of wikipedia. The disaster occurred at the purity distilling company facility at five twenty nine commercial street near keeney square molasses can be fermented to produce ethanol the active ingredient in alcoholic beverages and a key component in munitions period use the harbourside commercial street tank to off load molasses from ships in store it for later transferred transfer by pipeline to the purity ethanol plant situated between willow street never e._t.'s way in cambridge massachusetts. It's the molasses tank stood fifty feet tall and ninety feet in diameter and contained as much in two million three hundred thousand gallons of molasses on january fifteenth nineteen nineteen in boston. The temperature had risen above forty degrees fahrenheit climbing rapidly the frigid temperatures pitchers of the preceding days and the previous day the ship had delivered a fresh load of molasses which had been warm warm to reduce the viscosity of the molasses for transfer into the tank. Possibly due to the thermal expansion end of the old colder molasses inside the tank burst open at approximately twelve thirty pm middle of the day witnesses reported. They felt the ground shake and heard a roar as it collapsed. Stay long rumble similar to the passage of an elevated train others reported a tremendous crash josh deep growling and a thunderclap like bank and even a machine gun like sound as the rivets literally shot right out of the tank molasses has a density of about one point four towns which is forty percent more dense than water and so this molasses had a great deal of potential energy the collapse translated this energy into a wave of molasses wave of molasses twenty five five feet high and moving at thirty five miles per hour wave was of sufficient force worse to drive steel panels of the tank all the way across tank yard against the girders of the boston elevated railway atlantic avenue structure and even tipped a streetcar off the elevated tracks stephen way low described how nearby buildings were swept off their foundations and crushed several blocks were flooded to adapt of two to three feet <unk> of molasses stephen polo historian quotes the boston post reported molasses waist deep covered the street and swollen bubbled about the wreckage here and there struggled a form orm whether it was an animal or a human being was impossible to tell only an upheaval thrashing ask about in the sticky mass showed were any life was horses died like so many flies on sticky flypaper lie paper the more they struggled the deeper in the mess they were ensnarled human beings men and women suffered likewise the boston globe reported that people were picked up by a rush of air and hurled hurled many feet others had debris hurled at them from the rush of sweet-smelling air truck was was picked up and hurled into boston harbor do after the initial wave the molasses became viscous by the cold temperature trapping those caught in the waves and making it even more difficult to rescue them about one hundred fifty people were injured and twenty one people and several horses were killed some were crushed drowned by the molasses or by the burt by the debris that it carried within it the wounded included people or asus and dogs coughing fits came one of the most common ailments after the initial this show blast edwards park a journalist road of one child's experience in one thousand nine hundred eighty three article for the smithsonian sonian magazine he wrote anthony c._o. Walking homeward with his sisters from the michelangelo school will was picked up by the way in carried tumbling on its crest almost as though he were surfing when he he grounded and the molasses rolled him like a pebble as the wave diminished he heard his mother call his name and couldn't answer his throat was so clogged with the smothering goo he passed out then opened his eyes to find three of his four sisters staring at him. First on the scene were one hundred and sixteen cadets under the direction of lieutenant commander h j copeland and from the u._s. nantucket a training ship of the massachusetts nautical school now called the massachusetts maritime academy. It was docked nearby at a nearby peer. The cadets ran several blocks towards the accident and worked to keep the curious from getting in the way of rescuers while others entered into the knee deep sticky mess to pull pull out the survivors the boston police the red cross the army and the navy all had personnel soon arrive. Some nurses from the red cross dived into the molasses while others tended to the injured keeping them mormon feeding the exhausted workers. Many of these people work through the night and the injured were so numerous that doctors his end surgeons set up a makeshift hospital in a nearby building rescuers found difficult to make their way through the syrup to help the victims and four days elapsed before they stopped searching. Many of the dead were so glazed over in the lassus. They were hard to recognize other victims were swept into boston harbor and were found three to four months after the disaster. Local residents brought a class action lawsuit against the united states industrial alcohol company which had bought purity distilling in nineteen seventeen. It was one of the first class action lawsuits in massachusetts and is considered a milestone donen paving the way for modern corporate regulation. The company claimed that the tank had been blown up by anarchists because some of the alcohol produced loosed was to be used in making munitions but a court appointed auditor found the united states industrial alcohol company responsible after through three years of hearings and the company ultimately paid out six hundred twenty eight thousand dollars in damages which is the equivalent quivalent of nine point eight million dollars in two thousand eighteen money adjusted for inflation relatives of those killed reportedly received around seven thousand dollars per victim which was the equivalent of about one hundred and one thousand dollars in two thousand and eight money cleanup crews used salt water a fireboat to wash away the molasses and sand to absorb it in the harbor was brown the lasts until summer the cleanup in the immediate area took weeks the several hundred people contributing to the effort and it took longer to clean the rest of boss of greater boston and its suburbs rescue workers cleanup crews and sightseers attract molasses through the streets treats and spread it to subway platforms to the seats inside trains and streetcars and to pay telephone handsets and even into homes and into countless other places in short everything that a boss tony touched was sticky. I hope you have enjoyed <hes> short and sweet or sticky and sweet history moment this week. <hes> it's one of the more interesting stories of an industrial accident and i think the image of a twenty five foot tall wave of molasses carrying people through the city of boston is one that sticks with the mine for lack lack of a better word. It's always sad when people lose their lives in these accidents but this industrial accident of course was rather unusual probably because the unique nature of the wave of molasses so anyway. I hope you enjoyed that and if you want to read more about it i've left a link to more information in the show notes for today's show on history though joe dot blog so now we're gonna get down to our primary story which is carlos de luna or the wrong carlos in a series. We're calling innocent. People who were executed the desire for revenge over justice english jurist william blackstone once said better that ten guilty persons escape than one the innocent suffer. This is the basis of the american legal tradition. The system is designed to not convict kicked out of extreme caution when dealing with the freedom of any citizen under the law unfortunately fortunately the desire for revenge and judicial punishment minster. The public is often ignorant of this basic premise of our system instead preferring to see a conviction and execution when time would reveal the accused to be innocent. The desire hi for revenge is often confused with the desire for justice. It is not so satisfying when justice means that a crime goes unav- then inched the public clamored for blood and the system is often compelled to produce a victim for the public. Even lawyers are indoctrinated needed with this concept early in law school and whether you support the death penalty or not most individuals would agree with the statement above that it is is better for one hundred guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to go to jail despite the united states innocent sint until proven guilty legal system. There are several cases where presumably innocent person was convicted of a crime and even put to the death sadly. We may never get the chance to find out the truth the recent inclusion of d._n._a. Evidence in trials els has been used in some cases to clear many people falsely convicted but in some cases in fact in tens of thousands of cases. The supreme court has banned the use of d._n._a. Evidence to reopen convictions <music> all ready settled the victim wanda lopez in february three of nineteen eighty-three wanda lopez was stabbed to death during her night shift at the gas station where she worked after a brief manhunt police found carlos luna hiding under a pickup truck recently released from prison carlos was violating his parole by drinking and public the reason he was hiding would be easy enough to understand the desire to avoid violating his parole obviously motivated carlos luna to hide. If he was guilty of murder he might have run away but the police were not able to see this obvious contradiction the guardian newspaper in their reporting on the story of carlos de luna uh explains the details of the investigation into the crime of the killing of wanda vargas lopez there was no oh scraping of the victim's fingernails for traces of the attacker skin when lebron and his students said the law columbia law school studied studied digitally enhanced copies of the crime scene and the photographs taken there they were amazed to find the footprint of a man's shoe imprinted in a pool of lopez's blood on the floor and yet no effort was made by the police to measure is your footprint in his investigation columbia law school professor. Jim liebman wrote about the case quote there it was the murderer had left his calling card at the scene but it was never used even the murder weapon. The knife was not properly examined though it was covered in blood and flesh the other photographs show lopez is blood splattered up to three feet high across the the walls of the shamrock convenience store counter yet when luna's clothes and shoes were tested for traces of blood not a single microscopic drop was found the prosecution ignored this obvious contradiction and and their own failure to place carlos luna at the scene of the crime by arguing that all of the blood must have washed off carlos de luna in the rain that has been falling that night delana after his arrest immediately told police piece that he was innocent and he offered the name of the person he saw at the gas station. Police ignored the fact that he did not have a lot a lot of a drop of blood on him. Even though the crime scene was covered in it carlos de luna an easy <unk> target for police police had an easy target in carlos luna doing any investigation might delay their arrests in and their around their reward for a job well done being the arresting officers for such a terrible crime with look good on their record and might benefit their career later on in that way we can begin to doubt the motivations of the arresting officers and begin to understand why they would ignore such obvious pieces of evidence and why the prosecution would be so willing to argue that the rain was the reason why they couldn't place carlos de luna at the scene of the crime but delina was arrested too soon after the crime to clean himself up the arresting officers of course did not make any notice of this trial delana had named carlos hernandez as the man he saw inside the gas station across the street from the bar with two luna had been drinking hernandez and luna were strikingly similar in appearance but unlike the luna carlos hernandez had the long history of knife attacks similar to the convenience store killing and repeatedly told friends and relatives that he had committed the murder. The prosecution told the jury that police had looked for a carlos hernandez after his name had had been passed them by dilemmas lawyers but without success they had concluded that hernandez was a fabrication a phantom who simply did not exist the chief prosecutor said in summing up that hernandez was quote. A figment of delun is imagination and quote the single eyewitness to the crime kevin baker confirmed firmed to police that delun a was the murderer after police told him that dilemma was the right guy this curious to to consider why police would take the word of kevin baker over the information supplied by luna about another man killing wanda lopez. Perhaps his parole situation made carlos luna less reliable in the minds of the police prayed the prosecution a house of cards investigating the crime scene for years later columbia lumbia law school professor jim liebman twelve law school students where he will quickly and quite easily find large inconsistencies in the state's case against insta- luna quote it was a house of cards. We found that everything that could go wrong did go wrong jim. You leave man and his team dove deep into the facts of the of the case surrounding the murder and came away convinced that dilemma was not the man police were seeking instead. He found convincing evidence that the police needed to look closer at carlos hernandez a more likely weekly candidate for this gruesome crime lebron wrote carlos hernandez was an alcoholic with a history of violence who was always in the company of his trusted companion a lock blade buck knife over the years carlos hernandez was arrested thirty thirty nine times thirteen of them for carrying a knife and spent his entire adult life on parole yet he was almost. It's never put in prison for his crimes. A disparity that liebman believes was because carlos hernandez was used as a police police informant in short professor. Lebron was convinced the police had the wrong carlos they hit accused carlos carlos de luna but they needed to catch carlos hernandez a trial balloon named carlos hernandez the man he i saw inside the gas station across the street from the bar where luna had been drinking hernandez and luna were strikingly similar in appearance but but unlike the luna carlos hernandez had a long history of knife attacks similar to the convenience store killing and and he even admitted to his friends and family that he had committed the murder similar appearance same location nation same time but hernandez had a history of knife attacks and deluded did not it would seem obvious obvious that the police should consider another suspect of course the did not the motive friends confirmed that carlos hernandez was romantically linked to wanda lopez as well. The loan has lawyers new hernandez criminal pass but never thoroughly investigated his previous crimes. This should have been the final piece of evidence any prosecutor would need hernandez had a romantic connection to the victim de luna did not hernandez had the means the motive and the opportunity to do the killing and even had prior incidents of violence silence with a knife the police would not consider anyone but carlos de luna the testimony of the arresting officers researchers along with the loons prior conviction was all that was necessary to convict carlos de luna of the murder and the sentence of death followed soon soon thereafter the word of the police that and a prior conviction that's it nothing more needed to send deluca to die by lethal injection. Jim lebron wrote carlos. Luna commented on his own ending in a television interview a couple of years before his execution quote. Maybe one day the truth will come out he he said from behind reinforced glass. I'm hoping it will if i end up getting executed for this. I don't think it's right. The protection that the real killer received from police was apparently due to his value as an informant in essence. The police became an accessory to the crime helping carlos hernandez to get away with murder. We are all guilty of killing carlos and there it is the fact that hernandez was a police asset protected him from arrest and sent a guilty an innocent man to die. Where we're the police accomplices in this murder you would have to decide if hernandez was guilty considering his means motive and opportunity opportunity and history as circumstantial evidence. If you find hernandez guilty see the new would have to consider his lack of prosecution as the influence of the local police. If police harbored a murderer then it might be concerned might be considered accomplices to the crime but then we would have to allow ourselves to consider the police is something other than superhuman and above any responsibility on december seventh nineteen eighty nine texas executed twenty seven seven year old carlos de luna the unconscious bias that a jury has for police officers on the stand needs to be considered if our system is to operate as it was designed unfortunately because the word of arresting officer combined with prosecutors accuser seeking to satisfy a public bent on revenge rather than justice makes everyone endanger of suffering a fate similar alert carlos de luna the wrong carlos injustice everywhere as the reverend dr martin luther king junior wrote injustice. Anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. The fate of carlos de luna is not not just tragic but terrifying the false accusations lovel- against him made a fair trial impossible the bias of our our society that has a bias in favor of police and against the accused undermines our criminal justice system the absence of any reform on police who lie on the stand leaves the legitimacy of the entire system doubt he see even win their revealed to have lied on the stand as they do often police never suffer any consequences for their perjury they could be charged by prosecutors rely upon police so much that when police abuse the system for their their own professional and personal gain prosecutors hesitate if to ever bring charges and therefore or police can literally get away with murder failing to consider the implications of a system that can murder an innocent and man is only part of the problem itself if we were truly honest about the death penalty and the abuses of the system by corrupt police and prosecutors we would at least have the debate that democracy deserves to have relying instead head on traditional respect for law and order means. We've embraced a willful ignorance. The most necessary aspect of any functioning democratic system. We have abdicated the eternal vigilance. The thomas jefferson warned us was necessary to preserve our freedom because we refuse to debate the role of police and prosecutors in cling blindly to the belief that the death penalty <unk> actually serve some purpose. We are allowing innocent people to be murdered by the state. You and i essentially by not talking about this. We are allowing the tyranny of this killing to continue this frederick douglass famously said head find the exact amount of injustice any people will accept and you will see the exact amount of tyranny. They live under if you think this could never happen to you remember. The carters to luna probably thought that same thing himself himself <hes> this has been the history joe podcast today. You're listening to innocent people who are executed the case case of the wrong carlos. My name is tyler rust and i've enjoyed having you here today as part of the history doj podcast. I certainly hope that you'll come back again and listen to more great stories from history. Please go to history o dot blog and leave a comment about your thoughts. What's on today's show and if you have a subject a suggestion for our new show. Let me know i'd be happy to look into it and make it into something. Often could be a great great story. Please support history dojo by becoming a pizza scribe either on history. Though joe dot blog were you can go over to pitch dot com slash history dojo and become the patriots of three different levels certainly hope you'll subscribe to the history of joe podcast series and tell your friends about what you like about history though joe we'll be here next week with the new with article on monday and a new podcast on thursday. Thanks again and i'll see you next time <music> <music>.
Vicki Ventura, Race Director, EventPower, Offers An Inside Look at Long Islands Top Triathlons In Montauk, Sag Harbor, The Northfork and Beyond
"So we want to enhance yet that experience. We're all about letting leading. The athletes have a great time at the racist. That was vicky ventura. This is money salip. Thanks for tuning into my podcast marnie on the move each week i will be inviting interesting innovative movers and shakers to join me on the show and share their story you will discover and hear from thought leaders experts influencers answers and entrepreneurs from the worlds of wellness sports beauty fitness fashion and more money on the move feature an eclectic mix of people. I know work with and thank are generally doing cool things on each episode i sync up with my guests about life career and training and showcase their expertise and story breath hi everyone thanks again for tuning in to money on the move. I'm your host marnie sal up just in case you are following along with my t._c._i.'s new york. <hes> pity marathoning mileage and training this weekend was a seventeen mile run over the bridges brooklyn polaski and queensboro bridge to be exact asked and i'm feeling pretty great just in time for my olympic distance triathlon on september eighth and i'm hoping these extra miles will help improve my speed in this upcoming trial of course and having fun like recent podcast guests matt wilburs from peleton and colin mckee from chop chopped suggested if you haven't listened to these two episodes i highly recommend there's lots of great career wisdom and training insight which brings me to today's episode dude the race director of my all time favorite olympic distance triathlon. Maybe hamptons her name vicki van torah. Let me tell you a little a little bit about this race. Nearly four decades ago along island swimmer triathlete and coach passionate about racing took over a local triathlon on inside harbor today sadly he's no longer with us but the legacy of steve tarpon ian lives on that race is known as mighty hamptons symptons and it continues to thrive as part of the company event power with thirteen events triathlon duathlon runs and youth programming event power is the top race event producer on long island with races in luxury vacation destinations on the northport montauk and sag harbor harper as well as local favorites in huntington east meadow riverhead and smith point vicki wynn torah is passionate about continuing to bring these events to light doing doing what she loves for vicki it all began with running empowered by the sport in high school and college it led to a volunteering gig within power in her hometown signing up for a few triathlons athlons and she was hooked today g. running me van company with the mission to inspire others through sport vicky offers behind the scenes. Look at what it truly takes to produce all star events insight on some of these beautiful race courses and a glimpse into the business of local race event production. I hope you enjoy if if you like what you hear leave us a review on apple. It's easy just head over to your device scroll through the list of podcast episodes. Click on radio review. Leave a review and five stars. It's simple now onto the episode vicky. Thank you so much for being on the podcast today as the race director of one of my favorite races mighty hamptons which i've been doing now i think for seven years it is a pleasure to have you you on the podcast. Thank you so much. Thanks for inviting. It'd be part of it. I knew that mighty hamptons has a really long history as one of the signature races for your company event power. Tell me a little bit about mighty hamptons and then also about event power and where it began yes oh mighty hamptons was of empowers i event and the mighty hinton's rats on you. Speak put on by the hospital and then they were going to stop producing it so the the founder of empowers deter opinion he had decided to take over the event and manage it and then that's how empower started so it's a one point five kilometer swim a forty k. bike and a ten k. ron and he had taken over the event back in nineteen eighty two so it started. That's empower started. That's when it started and then from there servants came about them yet the mighty north traffic on and then we added additional race is like the mighty mantra on montauk to the mini mighty man it all started with the mighty hamptons and so now how many races do you have throughout long island in the hamptons the north fork and then you also have some that are so we have from east meadow which is kind of <hes> a little bit. It's in nassau county and are racist. Go all the way to montauk so i always say east meadow betto tomorrow talk and be a thirteen events and you've built that since the first event in nineteen eighty two yes when did you start with empower started with power as a volunteer in two thousand two and so were you an athlete at the time what got you into working with power and triathlon. I i started yeah. It was a runner so i ran in highschool. Iran only one year in college but then what got me started was running and then i ended up setting up for my first triathlon vaughn as a runner gas through the swim in the bike and then got hooked started participating in other events and then wanted to be more involved why volunteered and i said vaunting altering the mighty north fork and mighty hamptons and then i became a volunteer coordinator and from there i became the race director and so as race director or like what are some of your responsibilities and roles <music>. I put all the pieces together. I have a great team behind me. Everyone you know takes on certain responsibilities but i manage all the logistics of the events so it's you know whether whether it's handling the registration process or it's creating the envelope notes for the athletes working with the police in coordinating having them on course coordinating donating the volunteers that are going to be there managing the death that we have at each the events during the orders ordering the swim caps ordering awards for the races finish a medal. It's really just putting all the pieces together overseeing and creating if we need to if we have a new about creating the course or overseeing the course making sure that there is nothing needs to change changed due to construction or the road has potholes on it. That's something we're always looking at making sure that on race morning the course is marked properly and well and that are volunteers are in place even goes down to ordering the water and the water stops and stuffing the envelopes and the goodie bags and working with sponsors for the races well. I have never had a better race experience locally that i have with empower and mighty hamptons. Everyone is just so nice. Reece's are so well organiz. There's great partners. A lot of my listeners have been asking me about local races they could do because you know you really get to see the <hes> neighborhood or an area by doing the local race running. A local races not easy. I mean you need to hire all these people. Every time i come to your races you there are perfectly staff. You have one of the most amazing swim directors long island vicki edwards who was my coach at one point queen and basically got me over my fear of getting into the open water you know how do you decide who you want to sponsor or be involved in some of the races. We want to enhance yet that experience. We're all about letting the athletes have a great time at the races and if there's a sponsor a partner that offers something that we enjoy that i enjoy then i think it's a win win to bring them to the event and have them share whatever they have to share with the athletes for example ron. I've been buying my sneakers runners edge since i was in high school school so it's just makes sense to partner with them with local bike shops. It's bike shops that i would be comfortable taking my bike to for all our sponsors. It's you know something tastes cookies for example. It's cookies that i enjoy eating. It's not like we're like you know oh. Let's just find sponsors that are out there but let's find sponsors that we we support their mission and what they're doing and we enjoy their product as well and that's one of the advantages of being a local raises that you can really think about brands that you're in alignment with and that you're athletes can experience locally where they live and also you know the benefit the athletes and the brands equally exactly absolutely speaking of athletes. How many athletes are there on average. You know you have thirteen races. It's not just triathlon. It's running as well. Yes we have a couple running racist and then to do athlons than the rest of traffic on what would be your biggest raise the biggest race that you have. How many people are there are. The biggest race is the mighty man in triathlon in montauk. That's this year september twenty ninth and that's a sprint olympic and a half iron distance all in one day and then after that the <hes> mighty hamptons hamptons and smith point triathlon are the other two big ones and mighty hamptons is september eighth and when smith point was that one already yeah that just passed that was on august fourth and you also do a sprint on the north fork. You guys are still doing that right. Yes that's cast mighty. North fork. Traffic on excellent. What's cast cast is community action of south whole town and they're a local community. <hes> not for profit that helps anyone in the area whether it's it's with <hes> like food or any items they needed to food pantry but also they have services for the local community. Do you have primarily athletes that are coming from new york city or from long island that are coming to to do races or do they come from all over the world. We have athletes from all over the world world. The smaller events are triathlons. It's more local based are mighty hampton. Schrafft's on we see a majority of our athletes from new york city. Don't relate depends depends on each race but throughout the entire season may reach five thousand athletes from all over the world i think last year we reached eleven countries. That's amazing and i mean because it's a smaller race. What are the does it depend on the race like how many spots there are for qualifying for nationals that all depends on u._s._a. T- ranking so all events are you a safety sanctions and then from the results than you s._a._t. Decides who's qualifies for what so what races this have you done. I've done the toby triathlon <hes> that's in august so i've done all non of empowering aces <hes> power yeah. I've done <hes> the mighty montauk traffic is olympic distance race in june. It's also called r._j. Memorial triathlon triathlon. That's an olympic nick distance race that takes place in june. I haven't done it but i think it's something i would do. I don't really like to swim in the ocean. Which is why. I love mighty hamptons. It is hands down my favorite race because i have been swimming there for at least eight years. It's a beautiful area on the bay. Hey you're right along the shore. You can always see the shore throughout the entire swim yeah and sometimes you can even stand yeah. That's true so obviously these events funds have been now going on for four decades. Do you ever change the course or do you keep it the same year after year. Riki ezekiel the of course the same year after year that we act can compare their times exonerates five years ago but you're coming back to do it. You can always compare your times. The only tell me change courses if we need to four other at sixty reasons or if there is something you know there's construction which we hope not have any reason that we need to change might change. Could you for a year and then we'd switch it back. When steve tore opinion started event power and mighty hampton was he triathlete was he he was a triathlete swimmer who was an avid swimmer and <hes> i know he's he had done iron man in hawaii. I think he was just part of the races and or the traffic on community and he saw a race that needed a new race director and so he took it on amazing. Are you racing or training at all now now <hes> well. I started training again with gonna raise fratto bay triathlon the sunday okay plan. I had a headache on the board tired and now in the best shape or my toast so is ramped up right now and i'm hoping it feels better by sunday. Can i just say that. I actually just about about the pedicure that i went to secure the other day and i said to the manicurist. I'm like do not under any circumstances caught my toenails -cause i'm training for so many races and if one thing goes wrong yea and i didn't even think of that as my first pedicure since i had my daughter and i was like just relaxing axeing and before i knew it i was like oh that hurts so then i had to go to podiatrist and now i am on the meant but hopefully it gets better in the next couple of days. So do you think you're the race anyway. I'm hoping to but i don't want to just because it wasn't in everything i don't want to put it in my bike shoe or ron and have more pain and then be set myself back because i do need to run around after my three year old and macarthur also i would love to see you know how i feel on saturday awesome. What are some of your goals with as being raised director with the races that you have now unlike the future of event power four races now we would just like to build the racism increased number participants. We always liked to increase the number of partners that we have and just really have a great experience and i had mentioned that before for the first goal would be to increase the participation and then in terms of adding an event. We don't just at an event to say hey. Let's you know added one more race but if we go to location and we're like wow this is a beautiful location for a race. I you know we could swim bike and run here. We have the community support if we had the connection with the community only said you know you. Can we need volunteers. Where can we find the volunteers that are local to this area then we would definitely say okay. Let's try to put on a race here but we wouldn't just be like all right. Let's add another race so it's really just it has to be a perfect fit altogether so right now. We don't have any plans to add any racist for next shirt but just to grow the races that we currently have on our calendar. Is that a big part of how you pick where where you're going to be running event or doing a races by the neighborhood and the culture and if it's a spot where all those things align exactly yeah we wanna make sure that we're welcoming the community we don't wanna come in or go to an area where they might not want you know road closures at certain times or there is a beach that works out well or you know you also have to consider if there is a marina neighbors that are using the marina so a lot of factors go into where you're picking your race in <hes> location so everything alliance and that's when we would add one but we wouldn't go <hes> <hes> ed one unless it made sense well. I think it's amazing that you are able to do these races in the hamptons and montauk. I mean just because i know that the town town is very strict about these kind of things and it's just one of the most beautiful places in the world so i mean even if you're not a triathlete it's worth with it to try to do a race as a sprint to kind of see the area because it's an experience that you could really never have unless you're doing race yeah and we're lucky because movin ninety two traffic on has been going on for over thirty years so the community knows us. You know we know everyone who lives in the area knows the race's coming and so we've kind of established ourselves so in the hamptons because it's been around for so long and even montauk that's been around for over fifteen years now so people in the community you know about the abandoned enjoyed and they participate subpoena every year we see more local athletes participating because they whether someone just moved to the community and they find out about the event or they happened to drive by and see us setting up and they learned about the event that they come join us the next year yeah i think i learned about it through participating in mighty north fork because i had a house in south hold and i heard there was a triathlon and i started doing that race and then i wanted to increase my distance of course like all triathletes and then i've been doing it for now for eight years. I love the swam. I love the bike course through the rolling hills in sag harbor hills compared to people that are doing kona but they're hills have have you within your city on their hill. Yeah they're hills for a long island. Montauk is much hillier. I would imagine <hes> yes. It is yeah how many new sign ups do you have verse repeat racers. I'd say from mighty hamptons. We have almost one hundred people that said that. This is their first triathlon other participating disgusting in so we do have you know for each race. I'd say about twenty percent are first time triathletes. That's amazing so we talked a little bit about mighty hampton kim mighty montauk. I've never done any montauk. Maybe tell me a little bit about the race course that raises a little unique. We used to swim in fort pond and last year in terms of changing the course others blue-green algae in fort hunt so we had a swim changes swim the navy beach so it was a different different. You know we had to have to transition areas was incredible and was able to sit up. We'll transition areas dick before the event and we were testing the word equality all the way up until the day before the race risk and that's when we had to make the decision because we had to set up the course so the swim this year you know we plan to be in fort pond but again. Blue-green algae does appear that we would. I'd have to move to navy beach and then the bike course it depends on which race you're doing. There's a sprint and olympic and a half so the half is two loops oops with two out in backs and the olympic does one loop with only one of the out and backs and in the sprint just does portion of the loop and the olympic in the half go out towards the lighthouse. Oh it's beautiful. You're passing a national historical landmark the montauk lighthouse. It's the end or people say at the beginning of long island so that's always great. It's a beautiful shot photographers right there waiting to capture everyone and it is a little bit of a course and then the ron core for the a half it is the same thing to loops olympic one loop and the sprinters around lake at fort ponds and that is a hilly course that has murder hill on it which is a very very steep hill that is again only for the olympic in the half but it's a challenging course and people love coming out two months especially that time of year. It's you know perfect perfect weather. The season down out. There is winding down a little bit too. It's not too busy. You know everywhere you go you see triathletes people riding around with their bikes on the back of their car and you just you know it's a great community feel. I love it. I want to do it yeah. You should join us this year. I know i should do you haven't duathlon not an montauk amount of the aqua bikes. You can do the swim and the bike in iran but we do to ask lawns both at heckscher state park and we do one on mother's day in may and one in the fall in october but at mighty montauk. Can you do it as a relay you can do it really okay cool. I really really you can do all of your races. As a rela- yes and you can do a two person or three person relay awesome because i would do the bike and the run but i don't know if i would do this one yeah you can definitely get a really member and we actually have a spot on our website now if someone wants to sign up for the relay but needs swimmer say don't we can post it. There and people can sign up at that point for whatever depending might wanna do. I want to be the swimmer edwards. She'll be so she's so vicki. Edwards who is one of the top triathlon coaches out on long island and she also has athletes worldwide. She'll be on the podcast eventually. She's your swim director for all your swims now or for just some of them for all of our swims except <hes> she's not always at the huntington traffic because she does a camp up in lake placid training camp so other than that she is our swim course coordinator for all our events so as like a course coordinator do you you decide what the route is going to be on the course or you're also like overseeing everything from safety to the buoy is being put out in the water or where the police are on the course. If you're talking about the bike or the run yes so each captain of the each each discipline has the captain in captain really overseas the entire process from setup to break down so for example vicki you know is in charge of blowing up the boys making unsure whether it's a yellow triangle as turn buoy in the orange is the site bowie making sure we have enough bullies on the course of courses are pretty set based on each of 'em but of course if there was any safety issues we needed to adjust the chorus they would be a part of making that decision making sure you know in the morning we always top off. The boys make sure they're fully inflated did coordinating with the lifeguards making sure that there are set. They're good to go before we start the race and really every placing the volunteers from from the point of anywhere on the sand so it's whether you're getting the athletes through the swim corral to the into the water or they're coming out of the water into transitionary so she oversees this is all that and she's been an incredible dish to our team so we're very fortunate to have her with us and then we also have a bike and run course coordinator <hes> markham rodeo. He's been incredible as well so same thing. Hello out he'll mark the course make sure all the signs and arrows are in place. <hes> we put out some quote signed to this motivational quotes along the course course he marks on the ground <hes> trump paint and with arrows and then brings out the volunteers the water stops and then at the end of the day picks everyone up and <hes> all signs and the volunteers and same thing you know if he sees a tree down on the chorus than it's you know what are we gonna do. We figure it out and we come up with a solution at that point. That's great. That's amazing. People really need to thank those vicki and mark and all the volunteers right because i love i love the local kind of culture around race. You know there there. Aren't that many left but i still i still love my ironman you. There's something for everyone in some people you know they start local. They go do an iron man and they come back or if they're training for an ironman but they have a lot of friends that are still doing our races. They'll be like i can't do a sprint. It doesn't fit into my training schedule but volunteer so we see you know all different tables of athletes. What is the program for volunteers in case like somebody. I know new york. Roadrunners has a program for people that want to qualify to get into the new york city marathon. They have like nine plus one. Are there are different programs for people if they volunteer that they get into a race or how does that. How does your volunteer program work so we have every volunteer you are in credits so if you were to volunteer force <unk> entire sprint race to credits and then that gets you into a sprint race so you volunteer for sprint race you get into a sprint race. If you wanted to do an olympic distance race you would need four credits so you would either need volunteer to sprints <hes> or some the duet duathlon sprint the different ways to build volunteer credits but each shift is assigned credit so basically have different shifts so for mighty hamptons will have four available shifts and you let us know when you wanna volunteer and you'll know how many credit you'll get and then you could use that in montauk for you know if you volunteer for the full day mighty hamptons and then you'll earn credits to race for either a race in montauk or if you wanted to do the half and you didn't have enough credits you could use your credit discount so they can either work as a discount or for an entire inch and they never expire. That's awesome. That's so great. That's really amazing for people who signing up for races is in for an entire summer can definitely get expensive but also it's a great way to experience the culture by volunteering and then earning credits and and adding additional races to your roster for the summer for the season exactly and what so many races you know it's impossible to raise all our events but if you wanna wanna be a part of them you can race at the events and then you know earn credits for the other half and even if you race in the beginning of the season if you volunteer towards the end of the season you can use them next next year for the beginning of the season. That's really great does event power have partnerships with any of the hotels locally or would you recommend any hotels. How's that people could stay at that are coming to do mighty hamptons or mighty montauk. They are kind of destination spots in terms of new people coming from new york city. Your people coming from around the world like that. Don't live locally yes for example for mighty man montauk talk. We have partners <hes> with those hotels for money hamptons. We don't really have too many partnerships with hotels out there but for me man we have them listed on our website and they also us. They often a discount for the athletes so it's if you have your number with you either you could get you know states unites a third night free or ten or twenty percents off your entire stay so depending on the hotel depends on the discount that they offer but we've worked with royal antics. Dont albatross harbourside solely so there's a a bunch of hotels and they're all in our website. Okay yes but you know if you know. I am a seasoned triathlete and have done many races but what would you recommend for someone one who is looking to get into the sport and has never done a triathlon. What race is what event power events would you recommend them signing up for <hes> so it depends if they are comfortable new open water or not some people you know the oakland were kinda. Freaks them out a little bit so we do have a pool triathlon. We have the power but woman woman and many mighty man full triathlons back back in april and those give athletes the opportunity to try. You know whether it's your first triathlon or you just want to get you know get racing because it's april haven't raced all season or all winter and so that's a pool swim so you. There's no wetsuits allowed in the pool. You're swimming swimming in the lane lines. It's a very <hes> controlled environment so that would be a great beginner race. If you were unsure about the open water or mighty north fork work which is the end of may is a great beginner race because it's a short race so it's a five hundred meter swim. It's a seven mile bike and then it's a three and a half mile run so it's a good it quick morning <hes> of you taste of what traffic on his about but it's also a fundraiser out in <hes> on the north fork of long island you go to the wineries after this the brewery marie out there now you can spend at the beach so that's a fun one and then smith point <hes> triathlon has been our fastest growing event so that's a huge one where teams names come out so if you're a new trap on you wanna join a triathlon team nokia go to smith point traffic on you'll see majority of trash on the island some teams <hes> bring up to ford last year wildwood warriors are this year while warriors brought forty athletes to the event merrick bicycles head over sixteen people <hes> so it's really really you know a a fun event to go to the course that one is a five hundred meter swim a sixteen k bike mike and five k. run. It's at smith point. Yes it smith and you go over the bridge a smith point county park so we closed down the bridge so it's closed to traffic and it's just a beautiful course that sounds nice yeah that one bike shop is out there with support for everyone so it's a great event awesome those three events the ones that you would recommend exactly those are the best beginner races that we offer yeah and then what about like for my diehard ironman racers that are listening like my. I have a few people few of my listeners in mind right now. What do you recommend. I would say montauk has everything <hes> september twenty-ninth you can do a sprint olympic or the half iron two centuries and also many hamptons. I mean that's just a beautiful then you. We have all different levels of athletes. Come to that event so mighty mighty. Hamptons is the most competitive event just gonna share. It's super competitive. Yeah this year offering prize money so the first place male first place female each receive thousand dollars us and we have a thirty three hundred dollar prize purse in total for the top six top three mile top three female athletes so the shirl even be more competitive but that will definitely a great one. That's awesome. I'm definitely not winning a thousand dollars but you never know that is well. Maybe if i age up you know because <music> this is like i feel like my age. Group is the most competitive each group in the sport of triathlon. I mean i'm forty seven so this is the other wonderful thing about triathlon is that you know whatever each you are. You're you're older erase pretty much yeah. That's true so for the last eight years. I don't really know komo forty-seven now or forty eight. It's kind of always do the math thanks to triathlon. That's true yeah. We see our biggest age. Group is forty two forty four and it's going up so it's definitely that's a competitive age group. What about the younger age group like the twenty five to thirty twenty twenty five. Is that a big age-group for you or not really it used to be. It's not as big anymore but it is still one of the most competitive edge so at say the late twenties is where most of our race winners come from but again any age can win the event but it used to you know the younger generation kinda younger groups used to be the biggest size is and now it's definitely changing but now you know we are trying to work with other local organizations teams to build you events back up on the island so so we can hopefully get those numbers back up. Are there any youth triathlons actually. I was just wondering about that like there's a couple. There's toby triathlon which is coming up. They have a youth race on saturday. There's a new one in september out near stony brook and there's also i try girls puts on one or i try. They put one on at the same location as the mighty hamptons traff on so those are three youth races right now. There are a long island and in our anybody man triathlon that passed in april but we have oh you threes there and this year we had our largest youth race to date with almost a hundred participants. Wow that's amazing. All the kids are from long island pretty much. This has been really awesome to connect with you. I hope that my listeners sign up for triathlon because obviously it's my favorite sport art and and definitely you know long. Island is so beautiful no matter where you are on the water. It's a magical place so i definitely hope that people go to your website website at empower ally dot com and then what about on social media where where can people find you can find us on facebook and instagram and twitter both under a van power okay also awesome. Thanks again for tuning into marnie on the move. 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