20 Episode results for "Harbin"
Everybody Week Night Interview (7-10-2020)
"Welcome back, it's time for choppers, ear, morning and night tooth brushing show tonight. Our friend Jasmine is here with a special interview. Jasmine, let's go. Thanks. We're back with Harbin Girma, the first deaf blind graduate. Of Harvard Law. Start brushing on the top of your mouth on one side, and rush the inside, outside and chewing side of each tooth counts in heaven three. Kaban I heard that you got to meet President Obama. I met President Barack Obama. To talk about disability rights, disability rights is the idea that even if you're diff-, Greenwich Your Voice Still Mattered A. President, Obama and I both went to Harvard law, school. At different times and we studied to learn how to help. Lift up and support other people. Switch you're brushing to the other side of the top of your mouth. Don't brush too hard. And? Did you make a lot of friends while you were at Harvard law? At Harvard Law. School I meet a lot of friends. Because at that point, people are comfortable with who they are. When I was in middle school and high school. It was really hard to make friends because. was concerned, about, being cool People grow older. It become happy with the way they are, and it becomes easier to build friendships with people. Switch to the bottom of your mouth. And make little circles around each tooth. So do you have any advice for young kids who may be don't feel cooler feel different. When I was young, I was really interested in being normal later. I grew up I realized normal. It's boring. We're all different in some way, and not difference is what makes us interesting. There's no such thing is normal. Everyone is different. Switch to the other side of the bottom of your mouth. and. Don't forget your front teeth. What are some ways that kids can be advocates? Advocate asks questions, so you can ask your teacher. Is this accessible to people with disabilities? Yet people thinking about accessibility. So when you're not being an advocate for disability rights, what do you do for fun I loud dancing swing salsa I also really love books. I recently wrote a book. It's called habit the deck. Blind woman who conquered. Harvard Long. That's all the time we have for chompers today. Special thanks to Happen Girma Gordon and Milo if you WANNA learn more about Hobben. visit, Hobson, Girma Dot. com. Carbon counts out. Chompers is a production of Gimblett media.
e2 Post Mortem - The Indian Noir Aftershow
"Farmers insurance knows the difference between a car hitting your bumper and a clown car hitting your because we covered it clicked for more <music> farmers insurance exchange center affiliates <music> <music> <music> halloween. You know our listeners. I'm emme holster splurging and this is both morton the indian offficial <unk> early after the explosive events of the season undo finale of his night begins long rach relations on another excellent season of his name tickets now. Let's get the obvious question out of the way tonight. Thank you how she the and welcome back to the show. I know how much indoor listeners loved. I having you on the first episode of postmortem so it's. I'm just delighted that you're back to find out more about what's happened. Post season two and yes it was an explosive ending to season two and the question on everyone's lips. I suppose is bethel will be dot is alive and myla's forms to that his from a storytelling point of view is he a character that deserves observes redemption and i know he's done killing on f._m. Awful villains his way to rescue in good harbin's tried to do his duty as a father <hes> intensive avenging his daughter or by through illegal means of committing homicides signs and torturing people <hes> but i don't know if he deserves redemption. He's a violent man. He's not a good guy. He said terrible edible human being he's perpetrated a lot of domestic violence on his family members and his answer to making sense of the world is ace to colorado with his violence and <hes> he's made money out of <hes> the pain and misery of others regardless of who the victims way and so for me when i think about a season three the question always comes back to the question corruption but most importantly i suppose one thing i should talk about is the fact that i was very reluctant to do. His night begins begins as a series for indian. You're the part of the reason for that is indian ores. He's not begins quite an old work. It's one of my at least pieces of writing so it's the work of a video writer and <hes> i didn't know if it deserved to be highlighted the platform i mean things like the structure of the story. It's designed more like a comic book but each issue covering story beats. It's all like a video game where you have each level. You've got a villain you beat him and then he came out of that negative step to it definitely caters there's to the emotional side of this story and the character building and all of that but you know it's quite dated as a work but what changed my mind was the fact flat of all the brisbane brex that i have contributed to do various publications books over the years his night begins is the one story people always talk to me about <hes>. I don't know what it is and this is the episode of mysterious ingredient in any piece of creative work. You never know what am <hes> really touches people but people time and again reached out to me and told me hammerstein enjoyed the story of vidartes golob and so that changed my mind and and i thought it needs to have a new lease of life as an audio performance through indian orrin. Do you know i think that proof is in the pudding on the proof is is also in the numbers. The exponential growth that indian auras had the attention. It's ad in the media how much people love love story so. I've been justified in that. That was a long way to answer your question about an by the dots alive in in in summary. I would like to say that there will be c._b._s. He's in three of his night begins. Whether we dot is going to be alive or not too careful with that season while you'll have to wait and watch for that i find what he was seeing the story structure to interesting what some of the structures you will be exploring. The upcoming season's good kristen in hudson what i mean by these tortoise comment is that just like the fifth season of fear f._m. Future stories on india nor will all be designed using three act instructor of a movie or two five structure of t._v. Show the leasing being. It's <hes> a lot more gripping engaging. It shows character change on it's very suitable suitable for this medium that be using to convey stories <hes> whether it's horrible crime and what i mean by that as michael with with into norris always being to create a primetime well produced t._v. Show expedience in your head. I believe that a five act t._v. Structure league movie structure is more suited to that <hes> so what you can expect from indiana june are going forward as always is better quality in storytelling better quality and production met equality and voice acting but a sound sound effects. I think i announced this in the previous episode but now we use sound effects libraries that i used by <hes> some of the big studios in hollywood on disney h._b._o. Buys news services <hes> so the the best of the best is what goes into building. An episode of indian are the largely from women's look suitably identifying. I can't wait for season to start. Is it essential to have listened to season one to enjoy season. Do look it's not essential that you listen to the entire first season to enjoy the second season but i would say that episodes seven eight nine and ten from fear f._m. Season one would be very handy as i said in the previous episode of postmortem i never thought which i would create a store universe so ending these horror stories my intention was to have a different story anthologized m. series and <hes> <hes> every season but <hes> you know the the the characters the story will demons the history behind signed the lower it so fascinating that i was just compelled to create more and more stories set in the universe so while it's not essential to have listened to the first one definitely definitely helps <hes> and if you have missed defense season fret not ivory releasing a supercup of all the episodes in in the next few weeks so he can listen to that before you start with field f._m. Season to <hes> it's going to be an incredible thrill ride <hes> i just really love that you they will be using cutting edge sound effects <hes> and gripping character driven storytelling to induce fear new induce interest in you that is not a boring second in any of the episodes so you will love it so i can't wait for you to hear the finished product <hes> but most importantly lauderdale is a very devious. He's a monster. She is fighting off against two people who had evaded rich history <hes> in aiming their friendship that something they feel in incredibly guilty about from their past the death forced to face a large trail rex havoc on their lives and and you know i'm just so glad that just like the conjuring universe the second season <unk> manages to build a unity of fem- with the previous season and there will be many more stories set in that universe <hes> <hes> i i'm just in love with the possibilities that the horror universe of the offers to explore some great <hes> ideas about indian culture indian myth <hes> some of the challenges people face every day so you can expect <hes> some incredible stories coming up as positive feeling from franchise but most importantly season two lies ahead knowledge. Dale is terrifying terrifying in our conversation view weeks ago. You mentioned did it. A couple of big surprises install coined in business at the end of second season upbeat f._m. Initial getting up secrets today though <hes> you don't ask the <hes> looked at a couple of big surprises isis one of which i'm not going to talk about now. I think it's best said a bit later in the year which is quite amazing but for now what what i would like to announce as indian o._r. Extra on sub stack. If you don't know about substance it's they am newsletter sir portal that lets you also <hes> pay will <hes> podcasts so indoor will always be free on all platforms but if you on a rabbit indian are fan and you would like bonus content you can subscribe to india nor extra on sub stack full oh for less than the price of a cup of coffee so i think it's going to be roughly two u._s. Dollars or a hundred and thirty indian rupees a month so what the gives you a as you will get the episode a week before it's released on all platforms you get access to an inside the episode feature it when i talk about some of the craft <hes> issues that i had to deal with some of the theme attic <unk> angle that i'm covering in the story a bit more about characters what i think about them you get the complete transcript of the episode <hes> an inside indian ekstrom sub stack. You will also have have exclusive asking me anything sessions well. If you are a subscriber you will get to post questions. I'll try to answer them to you via video and and more bonus content as i am trying to gauge what the interest is for into not extra but that's the big announcement. I think it's time <hes> there was exclusive bonus contents for people who are very faithful to the brand and the stories reset told and wanted to know more about the story the story universe and me an end of the production elements that go behind it <hes> <hes> so india nor extra on sub stack you will see details own my social media and on the website indian or dot com social media wise is i am on at indian on twitter and at undescoring occasionally on instagram so you get the episodes a week in advance before before everyone else on the other major platforms you get additional bonus content like inside the episode feature it an ask me anything sessions with me me the transcript of the show <hes> exclusive news and features that are delivered to usa loyal subscriber before the others but let me reiterate in dinars always going to be great great. You can always listen to it in your platform. It's just that people who are only denote extra get to listen to it a week before but most importantly have access to additional content. I think it's fun to read the transcripts as <hes> as they have written and read <hes> and also <hes> to see what goes behind <hes> the structure and the practice of delivering an auditory if you especially if you are interested in <hes> creating an artificial fiction podcast. I think it's good value for money for less than a cup of coffee also fueled a story ned like me. It's great or two if you are interested in finding out more about some of these toll universes like the one that feel him exists in <hes> you know it's it's a great tool just india backlog middle times of india a._b._c. Radio indian wasn't media darling according to say the least what do you think is the secret sauce behind one of the most successful podcasts thank you how should the an thank you so much too old media outlets in india that have been incredibly kind to indian o._r. The reviews have been amazing. The way you've showcased cased the quality of the stories on the show <hes> the sound effects the production value <hes> you know my skin scenario great very kind of you to heap price on us and again the real khuda goes to a lovely listeners <music> who have spread a positive word of mouth about that experience with the show other indian podcasters hamsters who <hes> have always been very kind in supporting us during promotional phases also constantly talking about us or being inspired by some of the things that have achieved saved <hes> you know my goal with indoor always has been to try and create a community of listeners to show them that and they see content is excellent. 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Mon. 06/28 - A New Extinct Human Species? The Giant Skull Everyone's Talking About
"Welcome to the cocky ride home for monday. June twenty eighth twenty twenty one. I'm jackson bird as promised on friday. More information on these so-called dragon man. The recently unveiled one hundred forty thousand year old skull that may be a new species of extinct human the science behind. Why all of your in-person coffee dates since reopening have been so awkward and a first of its kind study puts a number on the non binary population in the us here or some of the cool things from the news today. In enormous ancient skull unveiled in china could be evidence of an entirely new species of extinct human commonly called the harbin school based on where it was found nicknamed dragon man. Some are calling the new species homo long. Long comes from the chinese word loan which means dragon. It's not just that the school could change a lot of what we know about human lineage but it also could have changed all of that nearly a century ago. That's because this skull was actually found in nineteen thirty three by a worker on a bridge construction site near harbin in northern china. He then he'd the skull in a well and didn't tell anyone about it until he was on his deathbed in two thousand eighteen when he shared the information with his family who then went onto donated to the geoscience museum of ebay geo university the new york times notes. The man who found the school was most likely aware of how significant this finding could have been since the school of pecking man. A subspecies of homo erectus had been found near beijing just a few years prior but also the researchers speculate. He may have kept the discovery a secret so he wouldn't have had to hand the fossil over to the japanese authorities who occupied northeast china where the bridge was being constructed at the time and his secret may have continued because he was ashamed to have worked for the japanese following their invasion of china in the early nineteen thirty s. That's what the researchers speculate anyways. Whatever the reason he kept it hidden. Can you just imagine if he hadn't like how would it have changed the course of biological anthropology throughout the twentieth century to understand that impact. Let's talk a little bit more about what the school actually is. One important thing to know is that it's exceedingly rare to find schools this complete. It's missing a lower jaw. Yes but many skulls old are fragments and it's not just complete. It's exceptionally well. Preserved quoting the new york times in the papers published friday. The researchers argued that homo long appears to have been an adult of great size. His cheeks were flat and his mouth broad. The lower jaw is missing but the researchers infer from the dragon man's upper jaw and other fossil human skulls that he likely lacked a chin. They say that his brain was about seven percent larger than the average brain of a living human. The researchers argue that dragon. Man's combination of anatomical features are found in no previously named species of hominids the lineage of bipedal apes that diverged from other african apes they later evolved into larger brain species that set the stage for homo sapiens to expand across the entire globe. Its distinctive enough to be a different species. Said christopher stringer paleoanthropologist at the natural history museum in london and co author of two of the three dragon man papers. The scientists analyzed the chemical composition of the fossil in determined. It was at least one hundred. Forty six thousand years old but no older than three hundred nine thousand years old and quotes that dating is the first challenge when it comes to this fossil and the first place where skeptics sound. The alarm is usually a fossil or artifact is dated in part by using the sediment in which it's found according to gizmodo but no one actually knows where the worker originally founded not exactly then the fossil is too old to use radiocarbon dating so the researchers had us geochemical dating techniques which gave them that pretty wide window and as scientists debate whether this dragon man could really represent a whole other species. Every detail matters quoting again from the times. Today the planet is home to just one species of hominids homo sapiens. But dragon man existed at a time when a number of drastically. Different kinds of hominids coexisted including homo erectus. Human with brain two thirds the size of our own as well as tiny hominids including home. The lady in south africa homo fluency insists in indonesia and homo luzon philippines the oldest homeless. Apn's fossils also date to this time. Neanderthals would shared are large brain and sophisticated toolmaking ranged from europe to central asia during the period wind dragon. Man may have lived in recent years studies of fossil. Dna have also revealed yet another human like lineage in this period the denisovans and quote and from national geographic though not formally recognized as its own species the denisovans likely inhabited asia for tens of thousands of years and many asian fossils have been suggested as members but because scientists have only found meager fossil traces of their existence. Genetic confirmation is necessary than dna per vision becomes increasingly unlikely with older fossil's in two thousand and nineteen scientists announced the discovery of a fractured jaw on the tibetan plateau. That likely came from dennissova which would make the bone the first fossil of these humans valid outside the cave that gives the group. Its name the newly proposed Genetic tree suggests that dragon man is most closely related to this draw called the zia who mandible and quote but is dragon man. Denisova will have a jaw his to physically compare or tests and quoting again. Such a grouping conflicts with the story of the denisovans laid out in the past studies of their genetics. Those analyses suggest that the common ancestor of neanderthals and denisovans split from the predecessors of homo sapiens. Some six hundred thousand years ago. That ancestor split into two groups with neanderthals fanning out through europe and the middle east and denisovans moving into asia and quotes so neanderthals and denisovans split off from the predecessors of homo sapiens and yet according to the construction of billions of possible file genetic trees by computer based on fossils characterizing six hundred features from a range of hominem groups. It does appear that dragon. Man and his kin are more closely linked to homo sapiens than to neanderthals sharing a common ancestor after neanderthals split off. In other words this new fossil could represent a third human lineage. That is more recent and more closely related to us which is being called home along but from national geographic quote. Many of the schools defining characteristics seem to be matters of scale rather than distinct features says laura bush of liverpool john moores university even within a species. She says some variation is expected. Differences in sex age of the individual regional adaptations fossil and more can all dr slight individual changes. There's already a bit of an inflation of species names and anthropology ads benca viola paleoanthropologist at the university of toronto. Who was not a part of the study team. He thinks it's preferable to group the school with homo dalliances or leave the species unnamed rather than coining a new species moniker and quotes. Whether the dragon man's school does represent another species or another lineage. It is definitely one more big clue in our evolution especially in east asia. A location whose early human fossils have proved challenging to categorize z. Janie coauthor of the studies and paleoanthropologists at the chinese academy of sciences and Obagi you had a great response to all of the debate quotes. The results will spark a lot of debate. 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Credit karma with confidence good credit karma dot com slash podcast to learn more and find offers tailored just for you. That's credit karma dot com slash podcast. Or you can see on the credit karma app apply with confidence today. Good credit karma dot com slash podcast or the credit karma app as some parts of the world start reemerging to some semblance of normal work in social lives. A lot of people have found the transition back a bit rocky. We're not coming out with the same frenzied enthusiasm of our cicadas breath but rather dipping our toes in cautiously and more often than not finding social situations are leaving us feeling awkward anxious longing to be back on our sofas with net flicks. If any of that sounds familiar. You're not alone. According to the conversation nearly half of americans reported feeling uneasy about returning to in person interactions in a survey conducted by the american psychological association and the harris poll earlier this spring and that's regardless of vaccination status just purely based on social factors and. Hey if you're in that other half of folks who haven't had any issues readjusting keep listening just in case because maybe someone in your life these struggling and you can be there for them. So why are we feeling this way. I mean i think it makes logical sense right. Were out of practice. Even if we miss spending time with people we got used to not doing so physically. What is the science behind this neuroscientist kareem clark writes in the conversation that yes we. Humans are evolutionary hardwired to socialize and in fact maintaining social networks is critical for survival for all animals. Buds quoting clark. Social homeo- stasis the right balance of social connections must be met small social networks. Can't deliver those benefits while large ones increase competition for resources inmates because of this human brains developed specialized circuitry to gauge ships. And make the correct adjustments much like as social thermostats social homeostasis involves many brain regions and at the center is the mizzou cortisol limbic circuit or reward system. The same circuit motivates you to eat chocolate crave something sweet or swipe tinder. When you crave well you get it. And like those motivations recent study found that reducing social interaction causes social cravings producing brain activity patterns similar to food deprivation and quotes. And if you've read anything about the negative consequences of a person put into solitary confinement. You may see where this is going. A major effect of social isolation is increased anxiety an increase in the stress hormone cortisol even people who simply have smaller social circles have higher cortisol levels according to clark and quoting him evolutionary. This effect makes sense animals. That lose group. Protection must become hyper vigilant to fend for themselves. And it doesn't just occur. In the wild one study found that self-described lonely people are more vigilant of social threats like rejection or exclusion and quotes so our shrunken. social circles. And months of lockdown may have heightened our stress anxiety. I mean not to mention you know all of the other things about the past year that heightened those as well but we also literally may have forgotten some of the crucial skills for socialization things like selflessness and cooperation i know i've left. Most in-person social interactions. I've had recently feeling like. I either talked way too much about myself or like. I didn't get a word in because the other person did the same thing clerk says we can forget our social behaviors. Just like we forget stuff. We learned in high school. Because our hippocampus removes information. We don't use. And this is backed up by studies of antarctic expeditioners who had shrunk in hippocampal eighteen months of social isolation. Fortunately this does all appear to be reversible. There haven't been as many studies done on resocialization but one with marmosets in which they experienced those higher cortisol levels when is located showed that they quickly recovered when they got to be with their friends again and they even seemed to grow closer to one. Another studies done with mice and rats. That clark mentioned are particularly validating to me. They showed that the rodents didn't recognize their close friend immediately after short-term isolation but after hanging out for a little bit they remembered and even better news. Most of us weren't in as extreme isolation as some of these lab animals or humans facing extreme forms of social isolation like on antarctic expeditions or cruelly in solitary confinement and therefore not only will we have lost less but we should recover even more quickly so feel reassured that you are not alone and the science backs up your awkwardness. But also that you'll get over it soon or at least you'll soon have to stop blaming reopening on how awkward you are and go back to just admitting that you are in awkward person full stop. We are in the final days of pride month so i wanted to share a groundbreaking study published last week by the williams institute a ucla. School of law research center focused on lgbtq plus law and public policy. The study drew onto population based surveys to examine the demographics and characteristics of us adults. Who are non binary. The study marks the first ever population-based estimate of the number of non binary people in the country according to the outlet them the term non binary is used by some people whose gender goes beyond the binary of male or female and it can be used as an umbrella term for a whole host of other genders like age gender gender queer gender fluid and more or as a gender label itself some non binary people use them pronouns and some don't some consider themselves transgender. And some don't transgender is also a complex where that these days most often used as an umbrella term for anyone who's gender does not align with the one they were assigned at birth which would seem to include non binary individuals but not. Everyone feels that way. And according to this latest study only forty two percent of non binary respondents describe themselves as transgender nonbinary. People can have different needs and challenges than binary men and women who are trans so having data like the survey is extremely useful in parsing out the scale of each population but the biggest finding making all the headlines is that the williams institute says at least one point two million. Us adults are non binary pretty big number and mostly just a helpful stat to keep in mind when publishing discussions come up and while they definitely skew. Young with seventy six percent being under the age of thirty a good chunk are older to the study found more than one in ten lgbtq adults between the ages of eighteen and sixty are non binary. An overwhelming majority eighty nine percent live in urban areas but not just on the coasts in blue states respondents were completely spread out in the south midwest northeast northwest basically everywhere in the us. Also know that non binary genders have existed across time and cultures just with different language used to describe them the word itself which isn't even as new as most people tend to think might resonate now more with young urban folks but what it means is nothing new while the williams institute has an excellent track record for these kinds of studies counting lgbtq plus and especially trans and nonbinary populations is exceptionally difficult. The language people use to describe themselves can be so varied and individual and the fears over safety or so huge that getting complete and accurate responses is really tough and seen as one in six jen's ears identify as somewhere along. lgbtq plus spectrum. I think we can assume that were kids under eighteen to have been included in this study. The numbers would be even greater. So i would take that one point two million as being on the low side but this study is a super helpful start. Well that's all. I got for you today but as always this show was produced by ride home media and key dot org. I am jackson bird. And i will talk to you again tomorrow.
Moving Cargo In The Arctic
"Warming temperatures in the Arctic mean transportation routes for cargo ships are slowly opening up that is something. Shipping companies are watching very closely but there are very few ports roads or railway links in the polar region. NPR's Jackie Northam visited a town two hundred fifty miles above the Arctic circle to meet a man trying to change that. And there you see this is the peninsula. It's called terminus about more than ten kilometers. Rafael looks out across a foggy. augie harbor towards a strip of rocky land jutting out from the Coast hearing cure keenness. He's the mayor of this town of three thousand people. In the far northeast Corner Noor of Norway close to the Russian border. Rafael Sen says cure keenness is known for its views of the northern lights. And for the hurt grooten. A popular wheeler coastal steamer. That meanders from here to Norway's fjords down to the southern town of Baragan very nice view especially in the summer when you have midnight sun is going down in the horizon. You can see the subtle four hours. There is no sun on this bleak frigid day. Most people looking out over this desolate solit- harbor would only see gray Arctic waters and ice but mayor Rafael Sen sees opportunity. This peninsula has the possibility to be a huge Arctic Elson wants to build a deep water port warming temperatures mean more cargo ships will be plowing the Arctic sea route between in Europe and Asia. Raphael says the goal right past Kirkenes. He also wants to build a rail line to neighboring Finland to move the cargo from the ships ships into Western Europe Solo Plan. Is that if you go ten trains from us every day and We should have about one million containers align would need buy in from the Norwegian government but Oslo has nixed the idea. A steady founder simply wouldn't be enough cargo to warrant the cost that's done little to dampen Rafaelson's enthusiasm born and bred and kickin this the balding square-shouldered bear is a diehard booster of his town so he started looking elsewhere for investors promoted it a lot in China and has been here to look at the possibility. They're interesting to see if this is possible. Rafael has visited China several times to meet with government officials and businessmen. His municipality signed a friendship agreement with the Chinese city of Harbin this year the annual winter festival was called Kirkenes. The world's northernmost China town the town was for stupid with Red Red Lanterns and the Chinese ambassador paid a visit but Rafael says not. Everyone in town was happy. With the festival's theme people agree now listening. That should not be Chinese. But it's engage people that's that's a Rafael since hopes to create a logistical hub has backing from some businessmen in the area area but Thomas Nielsen who covers Arctic issues for the independent Barents Observer. An online newspaper says he doesn't see cure knish as being the new Singapore thing apart from Norway is one of the biggest shipping nations in the world and not even ownership incompetent so looking to her kid. ICUS to invest in harbours Mark Line tain an associate professor of political science at Norway's University of Trump's. Oh doesn't think Rafaelson's plan is to far fetched. He says China has identified. The Arctic is an area of growing economic importance and wants to create a so-called polar silk road by developing shipping lanes investment vestment opportunities across the Arctic China has really starting to open to the possibility of expanded shipping throughout the Arctic. And it really shows that China wants to be taken seriously as an Arctic player. China is already sailing ships through Arctic waters. Rafael believes. It's only a matter of time before it want to be involved in a logistical hub. Jackie Northam N._p._R.. News Kickin us.
Coronavirus Can Infect Cats
"This is scientific Americans sixty seconds science. I'm wait gibbs all the Kobe nineteen pandemic has a lot of people stuck at home with their cats. Which raises obvious questions? Can cats catch the new corona virus from their owners? Can cats spread the bzzzzz to each other and can people get infected by their cats? Scientists have been so busy studying human to human transmission of the virus that few so far have looked at how it may be able to spread among cats and the humans they live with but a few preliminary reports within the past few days suggests that cats can catch Kobe. Nineteen probably from humans. And then give it to other cats on April fifth. The Bronx Zoo announced that four tigers and three lions have developed symptoms of the disease scientists at Cornell University and the USDA tested samples from one of the Tigers and confirmed that it was infected with the SARS Cova to virus and researchers at the University of Illinois looked at the samples and found that the virus in the tiger was genetically indistinguishable from strain seen in humans so the tiger must have caught this from zookeeper which is a little surprising. I mean I would think six feet would be a minimum safe distance from a tiger under any circumstance but perhaps someone coughed on her food cove. Nineteen doesn't seem to be limited to big cats either to research groups in China recently published studies on House cats in Wuhan and young cats raised in a lab. These prince have not yet been pure reviewed and this is very early science that may well change with further study. That said their findings are worrisome. The Wuhan studied that blood tests on one hundred and two cats there to see whether they had antibodies to Sarkova to which would mean that they had been infected with the virus at some point. Fifteen percent of the cats tested positive. Three of those had been living with people who were diagnosed with cove. Nineteen the rest of the cats were strays or had been in pet. The authors write that immediate action should be implemented to keep a suitable distance between humans and companion animals such as cats and strict hygiene and quarantine measure should also be carried out for these animals in a second. Study scientists at a high containment lab for animal diseases control in Harbin China deliberately squirted Corona virus into the noses of cats and other kinds of animals to see whether they became infected. And some good news. They did not see the virus taking hold dogs pigs chickens ducks but it did replicate rapidly in the respiratory. Tracts have both cats and ferrets within a few days after infection all of the cats they inoculated started shedding virus in their feces. The researchers placed an uninfected cat in a cage adjacent to each infected one. One third of those healthy cats then caught the virus from their sick neighbors. So far the CDC says there's no evidence that people can catch cove in nineteen from their cats but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. So until it's clearer whether the virus can leap back from cats to their owners it would seem smart to keep your cats indoors to wear gloves and a mask when changing litterbox and to avoid kissing or rubbing noses with your little snow comes thanks for listening for scientific Americans sixty seconds science. I'm what gives?
Meet the Sapphire Sun cocktail; Diner Demolition; Plus stories around town
"Hello and welcome to your daily detroit for friday may twenty eight twenty twenty one from just isa woodward. I'm jair steaks and from west of woodward i am devon orally. It is good to talk to you. Sir i've got a drink for you. Okay what do you got your. I am calling this. Now i googled. And that's not a complete research project but i googled. I did deep googling. And i realized that this does not have a name and so i am going to dub this. The sapphire son sounds fancy. It sounds fancy but it is. It is not. It is literally arctic sun from the liquor store and bombay sapphire gin. Wow it's got kind of a late spring summer vibe to it. It sounds like so that sounds pretty. Good yeah if you like that citrus bite. It's going to be right up your alley. It's going to be sweeter then allow the cocktails. I like but you know the other nice thing about it is is. You can just put a little bit of gin. Your arctic sun bottle. And you're good to go. I'm sure fago does not endorse this behavior. You never know they might. But i'm glad to see you know we'll have to do is eventually get an official daily detroit cocktail that's something to To put on the list. What do you have sir. I have got what is called an americano but not the coffee kind. This is campari some sweet vermouth and a twist and then a little bit of club soda super refreshing great for the spring great for the early summer sea really good cocktail. I'm a big fan. So and i do like the blend of caffeine and cocktail the kind of up and down the goes with. Especially if i'm going to have it as say the beginning of a night or something like that. It's much better. If you've got a charge yourself back up then say doing like a red bull and vodka. I've known too many people who drink too many of those. Well i i would probably one of them but only in my early twenty Covert numbers are down in metro-detroit and frankly they're down to a level where it looks like. We're actually getting our arms around this thing on thursday. The number of confirmed cases. Statewide dropped to just five hundred. Forty two The covid nineteen daily deaths are fifty nine but that includes forty eight from record review diving into the numbers. Here in the region were down below ten cases per one hundred thousand in metro detroit. Our infection rate is just zero point. Six six which means we've got the virus on the run are positive. Test rate across the counties is four point seven percent Places like oakland county are getting down to like eight cases per one hundred thousand and a positive test rate of you know just under four percent. This is all great news. And i think that unless there is some sort of change this is something that's basically going to have to fade from our regular coverage devon and it's something that's got me kind of emotional because i don't think i've taken many days off at all since this whole thing broke and it's kind of amazing we're here. Yeah i mean it's been kind of our lead talking point for god knows how long now and to hear numbers that low in. I don't know how long it's been since we've been in the five hundreds. It's just great. Great news really happy to hear that shot to oakland county. I mean they have really done an incredible job. you know. Once the vaccinations kicked in the vaccine started kind did a great job. I know i give oakland county hard time sometimes but you know hats off to them. They did a fantastic job with this. And hopefully we'll get to stop talking about gerald be great. Yeah and to make sure that we stop talking about it. I think it's important to remind people. Just keep the precautions up. Just be smart about stuff you know. Do you feel comfortable with. But you know i'm still doing masking indoors and and things like that. You and i grabbed a cocktail the other day over queens and when we went in we put on our masks and did all of that stuff. It was a little bit different than usual. But it's nice to be out there and enjoy things to see things at the state. It was great great to see you catch up. Sit outside taking all the people watching as you kind of mentioned there is a ton of people out there in downtown detroit. You felt like old times right it did. I mean you couldn't find a parking space. It was it was pretty packed up and that makes me think about the things. Because i'm getting the emails and devon. I think people They really want us to be able to get back in person again at some point. Yeah and. I think we should be able to do that again. Like you said for god's sakes if you're not vaccinated yet please please please do it. But yeah we'll be getting together more often You and i dare. And then you know in larger groups and then whoever wants to join in for sure and you know More in person interviews as well listeners. The show will know that. I went actually went out to the headquarters of boaz bikes yesterday. So that was pretty cool to actually have a conversation with somebody in person love. The boaz wakes by the way. I'll give that a shot out. You know me as a scooter enthusiasts gera- used them a lot in my downtown travels but the boy is the only one you can actually sit down and it has a basket to carry thing so i'm very excited for interview. This one has been evolving as a story but kind of moving so quickly that it's been kinda difficult to cover in podcast format but there was a proposed charter and proposed charter. Changes for the city of detroit after a long drawn out process but that proposed charter failed to get approval from governor gretchen. Whitmer then the city clerk and detroit election commission approved changes to the charter for the ballot. But the thing is with that is that there was actually a lawsuit from reverend. Horace sheffield the third and detroit resident rodrick harbin that basically challenged this and said that it couldn't go on the ballot without governor whitman approval. That's a different view than say the attorney general had for a while But bottom line. We are not seeing a proposal. P we are not going to see a proposal for charter on the ballot. That has a lot of activists upset in the city but also the charter changes were controversial. Because most experts said that they would cost a lot of money and there are a lot of impending cliffs coming with the city of detroit financial situation. And i'm someone who actually went through and read the proposed charter. I think some of the ideas are actually really interesting. Especially if we separated them out as individual laws and things for instance There's changes in how the head of the police departments put together and things like that. So there's interesting stuff in there but it's not gonna be for this world it's a really good analysis and it it's tough because there's there was a lot in here and i hear and understand the activists and those who were really pushing for this but at the end of the day is good as those ideas might have been a you know you and i agree on this. They just simply weren't feasible ideas given the current situation in given the current financial situation and given the future financial situation of the city. And so you know. Some of the proposals in there were great ideas. But it's not something that was feasible and some of the proposals in there actually conflicted with state law round setting utility rates. And things like that. It's almost as if. And i know that they had people look at it but it was not well done. It didn't have their ts. Crossing their is dotted. And that's one of the things that's frustrating for me as somebody's watched a lot of change that you know a lot of people wanna make change in the city you've got understand the system you're in and those are issues. That the governor saw end flagged on top of that we have and there's a great report by analyst frank in cranes that i'm gonna linked to. We have at least two hundred million dollars a year and pension payments coming and people have forgotten because you know we had a ten year reprieve on it but in a couple of years and it's at least two hundred million. It may be close to a quarter of a billion dollars every year in pension payments. And so it's something that we really need to think about because bag bankruptcy happened and i remember all this stuff. The biggest concern was the city of detroit is going to have to grow in order to be able to pay this stuff off in the future. It basically turned into a race. It's part of why every single administration after the emergency manager was very much focused on growth. Because if you don't grow we can't make these payments we can't make these obligations and we'd go back into the whole again. I think a lot of people in the popular discussion has forgotten. That detroit's still a city that is in financial peril. Yes exactly jerry. I very good point. And all that. And i just go back to what you said about reviewing it and i work with entrepreneurs and start up businesses all the time in my jakab and one of the first things we always do in sit down with them as we try and poke holes in their idea in their proposal. Their business plan. I just feel like the people who put this together. Didn't bring a dissenting voice to the table to say well. Let me be the contrarian here and tell you why this isn't gonna work. I think it would have benefited them and ultimately probably lead to the demise of it. Yeah or someone. I understand what you're trying to do here. But here's how you might have to phrase or do it and to be clear. I'm going to quote this from the opinion from wayne county circuit court judge timothy kenny. Which was on wednesday and this is important because it means that cities across the state cannot do a charter or charter. Amendments without the governor's approval quote in the absence of approval from the governor. The proposed charter. Revision cannot be placed on the ballot and submitted to the voters unquote. And you can't get clear that another piece of news from the week. The city of detroit is on track to receive eight hundred and twenty six million dollars in federal funds from the american rescue plan. Act or arpaio. And it's actually the fifth highest amount in the nation. The first payment of four hundred thirteen million will arrive next week while the second will come in a year all the money needs to be spent within a few years. Twenty twenty four and questions going to be really. What are we going to spend this thing on. There will be a series of town halls. That detroit mayor. Mike duggan are going to do twenty five of them. Too city. councils gonna have a series of them. I'm going to run down the big buckets of priorities. Really quick and i'll note here first off that there's individual money for transportation. I know a lot of our listeners or transportation so there's actually specific money for transportation and affordable housing that are separately programmed not part of this process. And so that's why we're not mentioning because you know devon. We would definitely talk about buses and transit. If that were part of the purview. Yeah absolutely i mean. This is an incredible opportunity to really release substantial substantial funds into detroit. But it's not just detroit. I mean wherever you live is a listener as long as you're living in in michigan or probably the united states. You're gonna see some of these dollars in your community so there's exciting things that are to come. I would suggest you kind of pay attention in your local community in your local city as to where these dollars go wayne. County is getting a lot of dollars to right wing. County is getting a lot of money for this. I'm also excited for that as well should be some really good things to come from this. Donna pipe all right. So let's talk about the city of detroit specifically about four hundred million of this is going to go to basically plug holes that were created by covid. We've talked about this on the podcast before devon but so much of the city budget is income tax and casino. Revenues and income tax is greatly affected when you don't have people who are working inside the city limits and casino. Revenues are greatly affected when you shut down the casinos. A big chunk of this is going to help offset that for sure now the rest of it about four hundred and twenty five ish for twenty six million dollars. It's going to go to a variety of buckets and they're six main ones one hundred million for parks and rec one hundred million for neighborhood programs. One hundred million to fight poverty fifty million for public safety fifty million for the digital divide and twenty six million for small business assistance. I know that those last two things kind of sit in your purview. Yeah i mean. They may be the smallest buckets but again. This is such a huge amount of money. I mean there are so many impactful programs in detroit around small business that even five hundred thousand goes a long way in dollars goes a long way so to say there's twenty six million available for small businesses assistance. This is a fantastic opportunity. And i'm sure that the city will come up with some really good ways to release that funding and your this issue of the digital divide. I mean that's a huge huge issue that we talk about in detroit and it's just it's a factor in a lot of other conversations that we have in terms of improving lives detroiters. You know if you have access to internet to wi fi to cell phone technology all this stuff. It makes everything that we're creating air. That's being created in the city just a lot easier to access and so the digital divide stuff is huge. I really think people don't realize how lacking that is in the city one of the comments. I have noted over and over again as well. The city's doing all these digital meetings zoom meetings. And you know we do things in person in detroit and that is true that a lot of things if you wanna make stuff happen in city. Proper being in person is important but it's also an indicator that we can't stay in that place forever because we will get passed up one hundred percent. I mean i think about the differences in retailer. How hard it is for people to find people to work in places where that's only going to do in shifting more and more people to buy online the digital divide. If we don't address it now is going to become even worse than you know not having internet or something like that it. It literally will be locking people out of opportunities permanently. Yes you're right. And i think there's a specific example that we both appreciate like you said transportation that's a great example of it is. There's some incredible innovation that's happening in detroit and even beyond in transportation and really exciting stuff. But if you don't have an app or you can't access an app or the internet. You're not going to be able to use these really really cool. Innovations to make transportation more accessible and usable. And so i think if nothing else. That's the best use case for putting money into kind of shrinking that digital divide. Yeah and in some ways that even loops back to our episode with boaz bikes. Because you need an app to unlock them. In this detroit-based business a black owned business with majority black employees lease. When i was there. But it's all app driven and you can't be a part of it without having you know cell phone. That's why again like i said. This is incredible news that we're going to get money to directly address the digital divide. I know the mayor's office has people working on that and so excited to see what's to come with us all right. Let's talk cork tom. Because there's some really cool stuff that's happening. There are a few things. But first and foremost they have just announced a thirty million dollar grant from hud. That's going to help them. Build eight hundred and four new housing units with five hundred four of them being subsidized affordable housing in cork town. So some highlights from that. You're gonna have a hundred twenty units at left field at the old tiger stadium site with construction starting in the summer. You're gonna have clement. Current gardens is going to be completely rebuilt with all the existing residents being offered a chance to stay and not pay higher rents for their new higher quality housing units. And then you've got former tiger stadium. Parking lots from ford motor company are going to be turned into a hundred and seventy one units starting in two thousand twenty four hundred sixty rental and thirty. Homeownership opportunities will develop in north cork town. The other stuff there. Those are the big pieces. But it's really an interesting influx of funds. That's going into cork town. But i think there's a good conversation here between the ford shadow and the north korea town. Yeah i have a lot of interest in north cork down as a former resident. It's interesting to see more development happened there. It's been an area that i mean. I love urban farming. I love all that kind of stuff but it's also been a lot of very with just a lot of not very much happening on certain streets. There's other streets are doing great. And then there's the streets especially with this one that are west of twelfth or west of rosa parks quieter side as opposed to the side. That's east of rosa parks. There's a lot going on. You know that. That's got like nancy whiskies. There's actually a bunch of modern construction going in. Mary was at nancy's the other week. And i was blown away by the number of modern shipping container homes. All that kind of stuff. So to see this kind of development happening south of martin luther king but west of rosa parks is interesting. A lot of development is coming. There plus clement. Kern gardens is something that i think. It was kind of designed disaster when it was built it was built at a time when people thought the best idea was to isolate yourself from the city. If you're going to be in the city it's at same behind like the rent in the berms right like you can be in the city. But we're gonna put a big fences and gates and all that and i think creating something that actually integrates more with neighborhood will actually help people and then of course loss at tiger stadium site. I mean everyone's going like those. I mean you've got all those townhouses they're ringing the old tiger stadium all that kind of stuff. So i mean that's a slam dunk. That of course that's gonna happen but notably about this detroit's only one of a few cities that got this. Yes we have applied before a finalist. For this this time we were able to break through. It'll be great to see. You mentioned jerick current gardens really an interesting case because you know it seems like I wanna say a win win because that's become quite a sought after real estate parcel there. You know you're right near the former lady of the house. We all think that'll become something soon. You're basically the heart of cork town and so the developers will be able to create. You know let's get some higher end residential in that area and then also be able to offer residence opportunities there if they wanna stay but also offer them opportunities in Cork town north of michigan avenue. And that's an interesting area like you said. I assure the interest. Because i know that north cork town residents have for a long time resisted commercial development in their area. They are really really big. Proponents of staying residential. So it'll be interesting. How long they can hold that off looking at these plans. A lot of them are real. And you look what's happening with the former soviet school site. That's something that's a benefit for the community the flavor of north cork town once you cross the freeway is very different than the flavor of town proper and understandably so ever since it was separated. Thanks to the freeway. I mean not all used to be one neighborhood remember like the freeway in a lot of ways just cleaved an area that was just beautifully put together and beautiful structures and you put that freeway in and you basically like screw the whole area. But i'm somebody who. I'm not a big fan of urban freeways as it is But that's a whole nother. Conversation longtime listeners will know that i am not a freeway fan in developed areas. No no you're absolutely right here. i mean i. I share your disdain. For freeways in urban areas will leave that other people but no. I think it's an incredible opportunity. It's interesting the way they've set this up. I think overall it can be great. But you know what's happening in court town. And it's gonna be hard to stop the development especially spurred by ford and i you know it's going to be an ongoing conversation that you and i and a lot of other people have about kind of the positives and potential negatives of this. We can talk about another story here regarding court town residents and some of the developments that are there and how that affects the longtime residents. There seems to be some pushback about concerts and events at the old tiger stadium site the corner as it's now called. Yeah that's controlled now by pal. The police athletic league and they wanted to do some things for a while with different kinds of events. And when when this was put in the idea was originally that this was going to be a headquarters and a place. Where events for kids happen. Which is very much alignment with the residential goal. This is just from talking to residents of my neighbor dealing with another issue where a lot of times it seems like ideas happened in their people. Say there's a ton of communication with the neighborhood. It's not like here in the north end. There's a mental health facility proposed a just down the street from me over on woodward in an old rec center thing is is that is supposedly sent out notices that there's going to be hearing only one of my neighbors got a dog eared male version of the thing and it was two days before the zoom event happened right. So this whole thing that got reported and cranes and it's a beautiful old building but they basically want to make it a twenty four seven mental health center. Well the neighbors here very upset because not that they're necessarily against the idea but yet again in the city of detroit it's so developer focus and it's so over weighted towards since wayne county owns that land. They really wanna do something with it and neighbors are like i'm not necessarily against this thing but can you talk to me and a similar thing happened with this pal thing because i got a number of messages from upset people in the area going. Why is it that you wanna do concerts at this place. Ads a lot of to the area. This area's now a little bit different than it was during the tiger stadium days. I know. there's different perspectives on this. I wonder what yours is. Yeah jerry you know. i'm a little less pathetic to that. Because i feel like to me. There's a couple of buckets here. There's the new residents of that area. Who bought a four hundred five hundred six hundred hundred thousand dollars. Condos knowing that the development was called the corner knowing that there was a ball field knowing that there was going to be an event space here so you kind of get into that knowing and that goes for the people who moved into houses nearby as well. This is a highly gentrifying. I hate to use that word but with all the four development has a ton of money being pumped in there so i don't necessarily sympathize with those people and the long-term residence. I mean i guess. How long has long term. Twenty years ago that was tiger stadium and there were hordes of drunks and all sorts of noise from baseball games. Taking place there. So how did you feel about that. I'll push back on you. I disagree. I've got two issues number one as part of this thing. They're going to do a test event. And i was sent the information that testament was already booked before city council agreed to do the test event right like pow pushed that through without consulting with neighbors at least according to sources that i talked to all right so that's number one shady thing to tiger stadium's been gone for twenty years man twenty years. You were in high school when tiger stadium existed and so yes. There are some long term residents who have been around that long but a twenty year resident is a really long ask. And if you think about what pal was pitched as it's somewhere where you live with those condos or those apartments and then it's somewhere that's a ball field for children to plan and if it's a kids ballfields your type of crowd and traffic and noise is going to be a lot different than if you're gonna do a concert there and those are two very different things on top of that. You know it's right next to the freeway which does create noise but that also carries over to that area that's residential so. I think it's valid question. This kind of process would not be tolerated in the suburbs. And why is it that these groups can throw all these kind of parties. Do these things they do them. And then they ask forgiveness later and then everybody rolls over for him. But that's part of how desperate the city is for money in some situations. I have a different view where yes historically there are long-term residents but historically that place has been quiet for a very long time and i can understand moving their ten years ago. How long is a long term resident. You move there ten years ago. It was pretty quiet place. Well jerry. I will continue my snark here because i have to be honest. I get what you're saying about that but at the same time if you're a long term resident who's who has a house in that area and you're concerned about the noise sell your place you can get half a million dollars and see. I think people should be able to hold on. But we'll see we'll see how this all shakes out. We'll see how the tesco's apparently it's an event featuring moody man which actually. I enjoy house music quite a bit. So i'm kinda bummed. It was an event involving House music. Because i'm actually quite a fan of that But it'll be interesting to see how that all plays out all right. Let's finish up with An unfortunate passing the business variety. That's in your neck of the woods. janet's lunch was recently demolished. In grosse pointe park a beautiful little historic building. I'm sure you're sad to see a go. I don't have any personal memories of it but tell us a little bit about what's been lost so i remember as that this place shuttered in two thousand thirteen. It's been goes for a while and it was closed for some pretty clear reasons you mentioned. Because i'm from the east side Fletcher sharp actually. It's from over there to actually share the photos that everybody seemed to share around on social media on our facebook page of the demolition the place had been disrepair although on the outside the building from nineteen thirty eight looks very cool on the inside. There's all kinds of issues with his bestest there was like rat inven- stations when it closed in two thousand thirteen. There were six inches of greece in the basement. So it's beautiful. It's got lots of stories right. Like i remember going getting apple pie and it was a business that did really well for many decades and then at the very end it just really fell often had trouble adapting and it got into that sad phase the last few years but i remember it. More of its heyday and having apple pie with my dad at the circular counter. You get your diner breakfast. I miss those diner. Breakfasts the closest thing to a diner. Breakfast you can get nowadays locally. I think about is the click. It's that style. A breakfast you know and i'm gonna miss it. It was a place where everyone in that neighborhood or near there. You know my dad lived in the old yellow apartment building. There that is at the corner of altern kercheval everyone. There was a gathering spot. There was a gathering spot for so many years. Beautiful old building. It has so many memories for people you could see him on our facebook page. I'm very sad to see that. It couldn't be rehabbed. But i'm also a little bit more optimistic than others about the future of space. Do you know anything about the future of this pacers. That's still tvd so officially. I'm going to say tvd. But i'm hearing plenty of different rumors. None of them. That are good enough for me to report on but I am pretty confident that it will not become a surface parking lot. I know that There are a lot of people who worry about that. But since it's an outer facing a structure they actually faces right there on maryland and kercheval. I think that there's a lotta development possibility. I couldn't confirm before we record this but back in two thousand thirteen. The cotton family was involved in that sort of thing. And if you remember. The cons are now billionaires thinks their sale of marine health to what became seventeen. I they also owned the grosse pointe news. It's the powerhouse family in that neighborhood right. I don't know if you can the dan gilbert at grosse pointe park. But that's what the cottons are and there's been just transformative change there with the new detroit. Tigers know different businesses going in there. It's really starting to pick up. Is like a vibrant strip much more so than i remember it back in the day when i used to visit my dad. I'm kinda hopeful that something will get developed there. 'cause surface parking lots in that part of town. Don't make a lot of money. I share your optimism. jared. I hope it'll be something i i hope it becomes something that we can both visit us sometime soon. Any excuse to enjoy. I mean there's so many places over there you've now you've got red crown rustic cabins at love rustic cabin. Were jack kerouac. Used to hang out at little known fact. nice one. yeah yeah The pizzeria there. I cannot remember. It's not blazed. But i can't remember off the top of my head but it's really good when out there actually for an episode which was totally worth it and of course. There's a dive bar of my dad's bar and then on your way home there's marshalls which you know if you haven't been marshalls at the dive. Bar extraordinaire in the city of detroit. It's a maritime dive bar. How many bars can you kayak up to. That's incredible that's true. That's true it is right off of the canals which i think is a very special experience especially as it's warming up now is a college. That's a good thing for listeners. To know you can kayak to a bar to trade. it's marshals down by the cool. Canals could hit all these bull. Gp spots as well well devon. There's always more on the table to talk about. But we've already had quite the show. I am out of my sapphire son. And i am out of my americano so until next week yes until next week. Thank you so much for listening. Remember if you want to support what we're doing. Patriotic dot com slash daily. Detroit keeps these kinds of stories in this kind of conversation. Free for all to listen to. If you've got ideas. Jared daley detroit dot com. We're always open to them. And there's some big things to talk about in. You know the next few months but i also give people heads up because of that Lack of break During the covid stuff. I'm pretty sure that there's going to be a week or two coming in the next month or so where we do say two or three episodes a week so that i can get a little bit of a our fifth. Everyone's okay with that well-deserved year well with that. I'm jared days o'reilly to care of each other and we'll see you around detroit.
The Steelers Preview, Part 1: Whats left on the Steelers To Do list before camp starts?
"Support for this episode comes from t. mobile experienced the homerun derby like never before with the first of its kind. Mlb a our app brought to you by t. mobile the leader and five g. t. mobile and mlb partnered up to create an all new augmented reality experienced the brings advance stats three ball tracking and more right into your living room. Download the mlb a our app for your apple or android devices today. Fastest according to open signal awards based on average speeds in usa five g. experience report april. Twenty twenty one c five g. device coverage and access details at t. Mobile dot com mlb trademarks used with permission. Pittsburgh steelers fans welcome back to another episode of the steelers preview. I'm jeff harbin senior editor behind the steel curtain dot com joining as always. Brian anthony davidson. He's our podcast producer. And there is no third amigo tonight. I mean think about it brian. It's it's been a while the last week we had all three of us right. They zach but then i need the week before that you were out or davis gone again and then you were gone the league for that. I don't know if we'd be more duo shows and we've had trio. I don't like it. We need to fix that. We need for short. And i think we will. In fact i have something on top of my head. We could partially fix that tonight. We'll bring somebody. Yeah let's do that. Actually we have a special guests to start off the show before we get into the news and all that stuff. Brian is podcast. Raunchy introduce or bring him in all right so we have been talking for the past couple of weeks. Jeff about what's going to be happening in the new fall season you know back. In the day i remember getting the tv guide getting all excited for the new shows that we're going to be on abc nbc cbs. There is no fox. When i was a kid you know there is nothing like that so i would get all excited. So we're gonna we're going to emulate that we're going to do that. We are going to bring in five new shows at noon on the audio only platform. And we're going to be really excited. And they are going to be unique shows. They are not just going to be different. Dudes talking about the steelers. It's not gonna be like that. It is going to be very specific shows that really might pique your interest so one of the ways that we have found talent throughout the last couple of years is through not just our live chat but now with let's ride on wednesdays being the live show we have had an opportunity for people to call in and this is the gentleman that we found from the rider died. Crew the famed the fabled writer dai crew so i wouldn't introduce thank my coaching tree. Why coaching bigger got the blocks. I've got the down so we have we ever show that it's going to be very specific in something that jeff loves dave. Scofield loves and we do it together as daily fantasy. But i'm also in a few fantasy leagues on my own and the thing is talking about the steelers and fantasy football and everything else that encompasses it is what we're going to have on wednesdays in the it is going to be the steelers fantasy football fix and that is going to be hosted by jeremy bats. So i'd like to bring in jeremy jeremy welcome to the family of podcast. My friend man. I am excited. Let's get this rolling. Yeah it's it's definitely of brian's and we put out. hey. Who'd want to do this. And i think jeremy hit me up on twitter and said like you ever thought about a fantasy football show and i was like no. I hadn't thought about that but it's a great idea. Now i have to ask you. Strive to bet. Yeah what's your favorite style of fantasy football. Brian brought up. We do fantail which is daily fantasy but there's a whole bunch of others. What's your favorite. So i am. My favorite has got to be just the standard redraft leagues. I just love competing against my friends and even against strangers that way. But i just like being redraft and be my own general manager at set up a roster throughout the whole year trade for players had guys off waivers keep an eye on the nfl spectrum away and it really made me a better a better opportunity to watch more games and on top of every team in the nfl. Not just the pittsburgh steelers. Because i want to see how my venice stars are doing. I like to draft a redraft every year. Because i don't want to stick with. Maybe the same team that i came in last place with last year right so i want to be able to redraft the next year and put a better team out there to compete every week so Redraft leagues are my favorite. I do enjoy daily fantasy though. It's a lot of fun to to pick some of those diamond in the rough guys and not just be a big superstars fearful lineup. So i i like both but i really prefer just personally the redraft leagues. Let me ask you another question here. And i know brian. I'll i'll let brian ask one in a second. I am someone that used to do. Fantasy football time traditionally but i. It's i can't do it. It just takes too much time. And you i hate about the most is no one would ever make trades. No one would make trade. They'd say i. I like my team. Shut up anyways my question for you. Jeremy is. I was this way. I wanted to know if you are. Are you biased towards the steelers. When you're drafting. Because i never. I could never draft like At that time you know you're talking about the ravens defense. I would never draft the ravens defense. I can't have them on my fantasy team. Are you like me or are you so. I'm just going to get the best team. That means lamar jackson. It means lamar jackson. Because i could never for lamar jackson to do well in a game ever well. When i first started out. I was definitely a homer guy that was picking all the steelers players that i could but i got to the point where i was like man. I just want to win this game. So that takes maybe somebody i. I'm not a huge fan of as a steelers fan than maybe. I need to do that. Now i still had my biases in steelers player was was comparable to another player of mine than i'm trying to trade for that guy. He's long until the until it gets thrown back in my face or something. But i you know i want i want my steelers players and this year especially i see a lot of potential in some steelers players of targeting them at the early rounds of the draft is gonna be not a problem for steelers fans. This year's going to be a good thing. So but i'll tell you a story just a an tell you steer clear from the steelers true through when it comes to fantasy a few years ago. I was late picking a quarterback and the quarterback that won't jameis winston. Because i figured he was gonna break out one year. He always was throwing a lot of balls and he had some talent coming in but he got kicked up. So i grabbed. Tom brady from the patriots. And i ran with them as my starting quarterback all year long and it was in my one of my leagues where i have a couple of my brothers in it and they were not fans of my selection nor had some some negative thoughts about myself. But i wanted to win. So i did my best to get tom brady on my teeth. The brian so you know we mentioned picking the enemy and you have to do that. Sometimes because you it's best player available when you're out there and you're filling slots so my policy is this. The steelers aren't shutting out too many teams and the opposition's going to score so my thing is if i'm playing the steelers and i don't care if i lose a fantasy football game and the steelers went the steelers first priority. I don't care if i lose. But here's the thing if somebody on the ravens and the steelers are playing the ravens is on my team. Let's see gus edwards. Because i've had that happen if somebody's got to score it might as well be gus edwards and nobody not rooting them for to score. But i'm going with that. Sure i you know situations i always. I hope the steelers have put forty or fifty points on the board and my guidance on my roster that team scores a late touchdown. That doesn't really count in the grand scheme of things. That's that's my hope for in that situation. But i will start a player against the steelers if i feel it could be a good star. Maybe i'm desperate. You know and i. Some of my other players are injured. And i have no other option. Gotta go with the best optima. Bill mel let me ask you this. How many fantasy football seasons have you one in your fantasy career. Okay so when am i other old. Dobbin pensacola florida. I've won four straight fantasy leagues. And so i actually switched my team name to four four after that so it was it was. It was a nice feeling to be the office boss. If you will and run in that league but outside of that. I have one probably four or five championships in some other leagues. This last for years. But i played in six weeks a year so i get a little bit of a head start on though. Do maybe only play one or two but the one that dogs me. Brian is the family that i started for. Just my family members. I have not one that thing. Yet i am. By far and away the biggest fantasy grew steelers guru above bureau of the group. And i can't win that league. And i don't know what's going on with that so this young going to have to change that. I know some of my family might be watching this so you guys are. You guys are on notice that i'm coming for you. Let me ask you this before. We let you go because we are busy man. I know you are and i'm so. Here's the question steelers. Have a pretty solid roster. I've been looking at some projections because once we brought you on board. I'm starting to kinda give fielder for feel for what people are doing in terms of the fantasy football space which is kind of foreign to me at this point. Gimme a couple of steelers or maybe are there any steelers that would be considered round. One picks a. Hey here's a guy that you want in the first round. Don't wanna miss him. is there anyone. And if there is in who would be the top picked of or the time rated steeler on the rosca so even though he's a rookie and he's never played a down in the nfl. That player for me is najji harris. And i don't know if i'm taking like i have a top five pick in my draft and i'm not taking him in the first round. There's too many other. I guess known commodities at the top christian mccaffrey's and dalvin cooks derrick. Henry guys know are going to barring injury. Put put solid fantasy numbers up there for you. But if i'm picking in the latter end of the first round and i don't i don't know if i'm gonna get him in the early second than i i might take a flyer on. Here's the volume is going to be there. It's going to be ridiculous. I think if everything goes the way the team is talking it up. The coaches the the media where this offense is going to run through najji harrison. I think he's gonna he's gonna be one hundred touch guy in his first year in. That is a lot of wear and tear gas but he's gonna catch the ball lot which npr league. That's a huge deal. He's gonna he's going to be a creator in the run game so it might not matter if the offensive line is is not very good even at first. Maybe i have a little faith than than than some people might. But i would say if you're picking the last three or four picks of that first round and you want storrow acushnet the volume that you need out of a top pick. You can't go wrong. Taking nashi harris in the first round. But he's only guy would save from pittsburgh steelers that you want target in the first round this year brian. Anything else that. Jeremy go and have a good evening no. I'm just really excited to have jeremy on the beat podcast family and jeremy. There is a rule though here. I am the podcast producer. So if you have any tips you throw some my way for daily fantasy. And not suggest the oracle dave scofield. So just telling you now gas producer. Happy with some some tips. I gotta beat these your your phone number. I have yet. You have a direct line to to the grew. If you wanna call me at this already. I love it not just like i said tell. Tell my back if he writes anymore. Fantasy arpaio senior talk me. Oh shots fired. Jeremy take it easy. Man have a good evening. Where ford year. Show schorr care jeremy. All right pittsburgh steelers fans steelers pd. Thank jeremy for coming on. He's going to do a great job. it's his first year doing a podcast. It's our first time having a fantasy football podcast. And even you know during the live show are on youtube especially our live chat. There was a lot of talk about you. Know who would you take in the first round things like that. I think if you're someone that is engaged in that ten minute segment you'll like this show. I honestly honest-to-goodness believe that. So think about that. When you see that podcast pop up once as sir brian. We've start date for that. We're looking at if i'm not mistaken if it's the right day on the calendar i'm thinking we're looking at july twenty eighth if that is the wednesday because it is going to be on wednesdays at noon on the audio only platform and remember if your only checking out on youtube because i know you love these faces i it jeff. We're i mean we're we're sex symbols week at it but you listen to these voices. Well yeah anywhere. Reinsure podcast Okay speaking of the twenty eighth the pittsburgh steelers could potentially be reporting to training training camp as early as a twenty first today. The steelers announced that they are they announced. Not when they're reporting. This is driving me crazy. I wanna know is the senior editor of the website is. When are the steelers actually going to be in campus. What are they reporting to camp. And they have yet to announce that. I'm not sure why they did announce today thursday. The public dates if fans want to go to heinz field. To watch a training camp practice is completely free. But you do have to go to ticketmaster you have to register for to get a virtual Ticket this barcode is your phone and then you can go. They have concessions of all that stuff. My question for you. Brian is and you can see that. Article on the website behind the curtain dot com. Would you be interested in going to that. Going to heinz field to watch training camp. I would if i was available in there. Yeah i mean it really would. He's so far away because they're assigning seats i'd probably be up in the. Pin heaven couldn't see a darn thing. I probably could. I could probably barely see big press booming punts on. That's probably go for. But still i mean. I don't know that doesn't really interest me too much. He's so big you'll see them now. You know the last time. I have the last time i went to training camp. Jeff you were four years old. That's that's how long ago was eighty seven. It was nineteen eighty-seven and people were so excited. Because they had to defensive backs picked in the first round in the first two rounds rod woodson downton hall. Eighty seven was actually a really good draft. When you think. Greg lloyd came in and there were a lot of guys out of that draft. Actually a nice year for a draft. But i really haven't been to that many. My dad has gone up in the last few years in my dad's photographer. He's taken a lotta pictures and he has had pretty good access. But it was at saint vincent and it's more of a fan experience at saint vincent but if you crave steelers in something you wanna do why not. Yeah now see like my boy brad. In the live chats at he'll be in attendance for kamprad. Hit me up on twitter or send me an email. If you're going to go let me know when you go. Because i wanna talk with you about maybe getting some video or something like that of some practice work that they're doing on that day so let me know on anyone else's out there and they're listening or watching and they are going. They know they're going to training camp. Let me know. Because i would love to see some even if it's just a they're doing the two minute drill anything can give me. It would be great. We'll use it for sure. All right Let's get to the crux of this show. And that is the steelers to do list before training camp Before training camp actually starts not sure when they go but still. They should have like a checklist a to do list before they get to. Training camp and brian. I think we both have several items on our list that the steelers should be doing before. Can what's on yours. I don't think there's any order of importance. Here is just a matter of getting the items checked off so this is probably number one for me. There's so many things and we're probably have a few things. That are going to be the same but i am going to channel the late. Great darryl drake. And i'm going to say drown out the noise. Start dialing down that noise the the shenanigans on twitter that we've seen in the last week and a half just starting to get an mode just like you get your business in order you know. Let everybody know at home that all right business. I'm going to work now. This is my business trip. Even though they're not going to be being away from home but they need to get out of that vacation mode and you know there's still some of them are still in vacation mode so it's get ready for business so i'm pretty excited for that. The aids bunnies aid at my. The first thing on my list was that they need to be smart. And when i say be smart it is Especially young players. They train some of them. Trained so hard and you know you say there in summer mid some players. They're never in government. They're they're training their bodies in a rigorous fashion nonstop. And so i feel like they need to be sparked to of what injury. No one wants to see anyone report to camp with a nagging injury. I will never forget this never I believe i'd only been running the site for a few years. There was still a lot of people that were upset with. How doing things they got over it. Nonetheless mike. Mitchell reported to training camp and had a groin injury. Everyone's asset. This is something that could linger. Because i've i've played sports. I was a trainer for a long time groin. Injuries are especially it professional level or any. Excuse me lateral movement is could trigger. That growing could be lingering in as jeff. You're crazy early in camp. They're gonna arrest him. he'll be fine. He played that year on torn groin and to have surgery in the offseason it lingered it affected him the entire season. I didn't go back into told you so but it just reminded me that. Hey some of these training camp injuries can be season-long things Based on the fact that the schedule does not is not conducive to them to actually heal properly so be smart with their training methods. Don't do something stupid like on social media like you say get your minds right Dining that's the biggest thing. The biggest thing is to come into camp fresh focused and ready to play. I think that's good. What else is on your list right. Well you know this is in the personnel department. And i am still thinking that there are some free agents out there and somebody's going to make a move pretty soon before their respective camps. Start you know. We know about the justin houston's in the richard sherman's and the brian pools and there are guys out there. The melvin ingram's there are players out there that are going to be signed steven nelson is going to be signed with the team. There's somebody's going to start the run. So when i'm talking about this i'm talking about on the personnel end. Don't get stuck at the end of a run if you want. Somebody now be proactive. Because we were just talking about fantasy football and it's one of my favorite things when the defense run starts or the tight end. Run starts when you're drafting and fantasy football than everyone's like oh my gosh i gotta get a tight end because there's five good ones out there that you know you could count on all year and then you're looking at man. You're you're looking at matt crane check from the two thousand five steelers. You know you're like oh my gosh. I've got to throw this guy. I gotta grab zack. Gentry because they don't have a tight end you get to that point so when if they are serious about bringing in a free agent and a lot of people want another outside linebacker to rush off the edge they won another defensive back in steeler nation. That's what people were talking about. Be proactive in. Just don't get stuck in half to keep up with the joneses okay. Yeah i'm gonna go with something that's very simple. Someone said this. In the live chat that i saw They stole my thunder a little bit. Why in the world have the steelers not signed candidate. He's there last draft pick to go under contract. He is yet to be signed. I'm not joking with you. So when the steelers around rookie minicamp. They signed a bunch of their rookies in. Then when ta started They signed a bunch more. And then obviously minicamp everyone's waiting. I've had this article pre written now for months. I'm not joking months. Dave scofield went in and he actually had all the numbers because he knows exactly how much these rookie contracts are going to be. How much they're gonna count against the cap. It's all been in there. All we literally need is the news. Break take take the tweet. Put it in their hit publish and there. You go nothing. What in the world is going on. It doesn't make sense to me. He's a third round draft. Pick when you've got rounds one and two those graphics obviously in fire than harris already locked up. What the heck's taking so long. I don't know So for me. That's the next thing is get kendra. Green under contract was he. They're not gonna want him participating in anything camp if he's not signed so they've got to get that deal though. Yeah i really have to question what's going on here. Who's holding this up jin agents. I don't know who the agent is but as a player. I don't care if you're a rookie or not just like come on. Get me in there. I'm calling every day. I'm like get me in there like nobody. We've got a hold out. No the you're talking slots. This is not nineteen eighty-seven when rod woodson didn't report until week eight. You know you're not in that situation anymore. You're talking about slots and your third round pick. At this point you've got a question the validity of your agent at this point when their slots. I do not get this. At all jeff. The end he showed up to every. Ot didn't business one was rookie. Minicamp was at mandatory minicamp. Didn't i guess technically He didn't have to go to those mainly because he wasn't under contract. But i don't know i don't know anyways what's next on your list. I don't want to spend too much time on that so next on. My list is to make sure that this team is prepared with scheme. And i'm talking about on the coaching end. All the dot. All the is dotted all the ts crossed. And make sure that you know how your how you script the games. I would like to see it. And i would think that it's happening but make sure that you've got a training camp script and you're comfortable with it but you've got plan b. and plan c. for anything that happens in. I'm sure they are. But i just wanna make sure that on the administrative end with the coaches that they're ready to go in there thinking outside the box. It's a good one. That's a really give them. The coaching staff. There are some new faces. They're on both sides of football so especially on offense with clam in canada and People like that. I'm gonna go with Thinking a little bit outside the box you get a deal done now. You brought up free agents in the ron and if you wanna play gun and get them. I'm thinking about. What if they wanna lock up one of their own. The everyone's going t. Tj watt right off the bat. Everyone's gonna say you're tj watch on monster deal and they will but what if it's not him. What if he's not necessarily now. I have always go back to. What dave scofield always says in. That is unless you can get a deal done. That can get his Connors salary cap hit down than what it is right now. It's not worth doing it. Wait until after the season So they might do that but what if they were to say you know what. Let's give make his patrick in extension. Maybe they'll thinking they can get him cheaper by signing him now rather than him playing this season than having to deal with something else. Or here's another name. What about joe. He'd what if they feel that there's still value there. They like what he brings to the team but has a leader and is someone that is still has a lot left in the tank. Maybe he could be someone. That is a a hybrid type defensive. Act that could play safety if you need. You could decrease his a lot in that. Then impact brian. What uber earlier in terms of signing other players. Maybe they get a deal done with one of those players. Maybe there's someone else that i'm leaving off the list That you know. Hey get an extension. Get someone locked up. Never a bad thing. In my opinion. I agree completely in that you dave scofield had the he had the article last week and he talked about it about once. Training camp starts and right at the beginning of training camp. It's very rare that you're going to wrap somebody up. Typically what we've seen over the past few. I'd say like past ten years. There have been a lot of deals done right before the start of the season. Like right after cuts and right before that first game we've seen it with guys like cam we've seen it with my gosh i remember. I believe it was two thousand. Fourteen and marcus. Gilbert and court has allen. They got him on the morning of the opener against cleveland. I know cortez. Allen didn't ended up not working out. That's a kind of that. Deal came and then boom he was not. But that's something that you really wanna start have them start looking at it because you don't want too many guys you mentioned minka. You mentioned what i mean. Those are some guys that you expect to retire with the steelers. So you i mean you have to start having conversations at least with these guys and even if you don't wrap up tj but you're still having the conversation with on that this is going to happen. This is our plan just so you know so. You don't have a guy getting antsy saying hey what am i doing. I superstar here. Why are you stringing me along. And i know they've had those conversations with them. It's not collusion. When it's your own blair right you could talk to your own player. Said you have anything else on your list. Yeah so you mentioned minka. And i just mentioned minka but i wanna talk about the safety position. And i think that they should keep an eye on the safety position and it's make his counterpart the video maven. Terrell admits and the reason. I'm saying that is terrell. Admins is not guaranteed to come back next year. Now it's not a death nail that they did not give him his fifth year option. That doesn't mean that he's gone after the season. But i think that they need to pay special attention to that position to know that there might be a big gap at that safety. Whether you love this guy or not. He has been solid. He is just not lived up to the number one potential. He has played more like a third round draft. Pick and we know how much we were. Third round draft picks were talking about kendrick green. How important he is coming in. I know he was a first rounder. I mean he can't change where he was picked. He can't i mean that's not on him. That's on the steelers but there's a lot of value to him so i'm interested to see how this is going and even though we're talking about two thousand twenty one you need to be talking about two thousand twenty two but if you have some attention paid to that position and the fact that you're doing that that also motivates some Somewhere like terrell edmonds to be a wonder in this season and be able to bring them back. Hey hey do you Do you have any other ones other than that. I have one no. That's that's my last one impervious we'll do this. We'll take a break so my last one is. I think that in this kinda ties in with your coaching staff. I feel like the steelers. They need to prepare their team for a different training camp. So i think back to the even last season. Those rookies by gosh. I feel bad for those rookies. From twenty twenty rookie class was just as everything was virtual the rookie minicamp the ot as the mandatory minicamp. All virtual I understand why not debating ad. It's just that's that was fact. That's exactly what happens then. Training camp comes and it's a weird training camp you know. The nodded saint vincent college. They're getting tested every single day. They've got a distance and wearing these monitors and not only that. There's no preseason games and they're preparing for week one monday night. Football new york giants metlife stadium. Like that's crazy. This is going to be more normal than what we're used to. It's not going to be the typical training camp at saint. Vincent college chuck knoll field and all that stuff. But i mean there's going to be a preseason now steelers going to play more games in everyone except the cowboys. 'cause they play the cowboys in the hall of fame game. It's going to be up to the coaching staff in the veterans on that team to really prepare them even the twenty twenty draft class to say. Look this is going to be different. Our camps going to be different. We're going to. We're going to be basing this around schedule so we're not going to have just straight practices. We're going to have days off. We're gonna have pratt and we're going to prepare in. We're gonna plan and do some of those things. It's going to be different. It's going to be really different. And so it's going to be up to like. I said the coaches in the veterans to make sure they get all that done or else it's going to. It could be a hiccup for a lot of players. So we'll see aiming to add brian. Food jailbreak yeah. You know you sparked something in me when you said that that to a lot of people yes chicago have their number their top song in nineteen eighty five. You're the inspiration. Jeff and so you are the inspiration for what i'm thinking of right here. Not only plan for different preseason but also plan for a different approach. When you're talking about your starters in the preseason. Don't be afraid to give ben roethlisberger reps. This is not really. This is not the season to have him in only two quarters. While but does dan even play in the hall of fame game in european. No it is not in the hall of fame game. Okay but week too. 'cause we've been seeing ben shown up in week three. That's not true reple- play. He would only play a series or a drive in in the week. Two game and i say this is. This is where we need the oracle. This an i might be wrong. But i remember the last few years. It seems to be ben in week. Three yeah well no then. We three was play almost a quarter but adenomas bet that typically he would play at least a series in week to week four. He's off doesn't doesn't do anything. Yeah i'm i'm going to go ahead and challenge you on that okay checks after we do the trading. What is this is the game for its spider-man's pointing at each other you. Here's what do we do now. All right we're going to take a quick break on the audience side. Hit over two part. Two of your watching live on. Facebook or on youtube dunk owning. We're not going anywhere. We'll go right back after this break. Thanks to t mobile for sponsoring this episode experience. The t. mobile home run like never before the first of its kind. Mlb a our app brought to you by t mobile track. Every single homerun analyze player performance and get in-depth detail of every moment of the action. All in the app you can even bring a three d. model of course field right into your living room. 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Standard is the Standard: The Steelers continue to move up the AFC Standings
"The Pittsburgh Steeler fans. What is going on Jeff Harbin here behind the steel curtain dot com for a stachel episode of the standard is a standard. Steelers didn't play. This is not the post game show. They played on Thursday. We did that sealers one big time. We all know that. And they won again this Sunday. We'll talk about that in a second as we recap all the action that was and we ten the AFC is done for the week. We have web four conference record standings all that stuff for you. But I. Let me bring my co whose Lance Williams. But before I ask him to come on and talk, I wanna get his opinion. And we're gonna talk about this. I we're gonna get it out of the way the reports. Now, let me say that again div reports that lady on bell has decided he he ain't showing that he's not coming. These. Choose day is the deadline for him to show up the play this season. And all reports from Ian, Robin for network, Adam Schefter ESPN is that he is not going to show the lands. Welcome to the show. And what are your thoughts on left bell to say f you guys I'm taking my ball and going up? I'm surprised I think all of us should be surprised typically football players don't sit out complete seasons. Unless the league makes them sit out for some other reason because they're not wanted or they're suspended. So it's fairly strange to see a football. Player. A guy is good as lady on Bill and as competitive lady on bail decides to sit out I think this is a new day in the National Football League. And this could be a precedent set for future players. Yeah. It could be and I do one of I do want to say, and we talked about this last week. I don't have his the post game show. Or if I said it with Chris Carter is that he is betting on himself. And this is something he's done on more than one occasion. He did it after the first franchise tag when he was making twelve point one million. And he thought he was going to turn that into big deal didn't happen. He's betting on himself. Again, we signed it's going to be in free agency. The Steelers are not gonna tag him third time. And so he's thinking he's gonna bake Bank. So he's passing up fourteen point five million to hopefully, get forty five million. That's Todd Gurley was guaranteed. I'm not sure he's going to get that because of the age, but I think Lance you agree that someone's going to pay this guy. Right. I mean, they're going to they're going to unload the Bank account. They're going to give him what he wants. Absolutely somebody teams. You just look for a team with a tremendous amount of caps base. One of the teams that. Out to me the New York Jets in the Houston Texans. Imagine putting lady on bail on turf with the Shawn Watson. I mean that will be fantastic in Hopkins back there you put those three guys on offense. They could possibly dominate that division for the foreseeable future. They're playing good football. As it is right now at lady on bail to that mix. So I think Bill is going to get paid. But the National Football League is a very interesting landscape in its landscape where they will make examples of players, and I think to a large extent Colin cabinet has been made an example of Eric Reed was able to play guy put the vicious hit on then got thrown out the game. But sometimes it actual football league makes examples out of guys for trying to act quote unquote out of school. And I'm sure that teams are not pleased with a star player like lady on Dale sitting out a season and try to get paid. I'm sure it's not. Sitting well with the league. So there could be a potential you don't want to give a big shot out to at Knowle schooled who brought it up on Twitter. One of our avid listeners. Maybe the league is spiteful. It maybe nobody signs because he's tried to exercise power and take advantage of it and really dictate how he's going to play this all out. I mean when you think about it. There's already been some signs of that. Whether it's wink Martindale, the defensive coordinator the ravens making his comments about how the Steelers are better without him. And maybe that's why he's on his jet ski down in Florida. And then even Ron Rivera. Carolina Panthers this past week leading up to the Thursday night game said he referred to him as the other guy. You know, he did not say his name. Now. Some some drew a lot at some just gonna face value is lady on bell. We're talking about the premier players in the Lee most people at least the man's name. But maybe you're right. Maybe that's how it's going to go down. I am really really curious in anxious in a way to see. I'm just gonna seem to things here that that he's not gonna show up and be that he's going to go somewhere next season. That's not the Pittsburgh Steelers. Those are safe assumptions in my opinion. But they're still assumptions there's not concrete. I wanna see how he does behind another offense of line. That's what I wanna see because James Connor not only has proven himself this year. He's proven how damn good that offense line is. I mean. I I'm not saying the Jalen females can go out and do that. I'm not saying it's Stephen rarely can do that. But it'll be interesting to see how lady on bell does. So do you think that he is a product of the offensive line in the system and was somewhere because Houston's offensive line is not that good. I don't I don't think he's a product of the system. One thing I'll say about Bill and Connor is Connor before his bout with cancer. He was considered possibly a first round draft pick. So he's talented guy and lady on bail was the second round traffic off. It's of line Reina ball, successfully it symbiotic you have to have a good offense of line. And you have to have a good back. There's no way I think we both agree that Jalen Samuels would not be a productive player with Pittsburgh Steelers. He would be an average running back. So I think you do have to give lady on Bill some credit for being outstanding player. Also his ability to run routes out of the backfield bliss protection. I mean, what we're seeing is that both of those guys are very good players. And really this. You know, maybe Kevin coverted, Mike Tomlin. No, actually what they're doing when they draft players. But I wanna throw a question that you Jeff because you are fit guy. You know, you're really into fitness you, eat eat healthy. Eat clean your. A great shape. If you're a GM looking at laimi off there. I mean, what's more important to you? Is it the lack of hits on his body? Or is it that he's a year? Older does the age discount. The fact that his body possibly is fresh because of no hits or is. He just getting older, and we all know about the thirty year old line Martin and dose alive for running back. What's your perspective on that? If I'm a general manager age is going to come into what I offer him. If he's thinking he's gonna get some five year deal with guaranteed money out. The was UIs that's not happening. If I'm giving lady on bell a contract offer. It's going to be a four year deal max with then you know, how contracts work in the NFL for years is essentially two maybe three. To me the hits don't matter because he's his body's already taken a toll. You look at the knee injuries that he's had the groin injury that he had that stuff scares me. So he sat out all this year to me, he has his he's not in football shape, and has been I'm wondering what is he gonna look like in two thousand and nineteen. He hasn't played football since two thousand seventeen what are you gonna look like when he steps on the football field. And you look at Dez Bryant, I mean. Dez Bryant show is was over before. He didn't start it as he towards the kill in practice. So it's one of those situations where not playing football important combine that or compound that with his age. That's not good either. So for me, if I'm general manager, I'm not giving him a super long deal and no way stretch of the imagination. And I'm also very wary of his body from the past injury standpoint to not playing since two thousand seventeen in the fact that like you said he is getting over the Mendoza line you agree or disagree disagree with you slightly. I think they would do it over five years. So you can stretch out the cap yet. I mean, that's the only thing I would add to what you're saying. And I think it's gonna be really frontloaded like most deals like that where the ferret year of the deal is the year you're going to decide whether you're going to either restructure the deal or cut the player. But I think he is going to get paid. But I think his age like you said is going to impact them. And I think for the Steelers I think it is a loss to a certain extent you want as many players as possible we saw the patriots. And what's about more struggle today? It's the titans. We saw what they were vulnerable to in this game. They were vulnerable to Dion Lewis running the football off tackle it. Just imagine. If you had both of those guys, I think the Steelers were very unfortunate this weekend with the injury of das- Bryant, there's no way in the world that that did not impact Laden fails decision. He had to look at that. And say math that could be me. Maybe I'll sit out. Also, I think when his representation figured out that if he were franchised again, it would cost the Steelers twenty five million dollars in. I think the thing that fans have to realize if you franchise guy you have to have the cap space. So you can't just willy nilly franchise. The guy. So I think with that said they know that they're not gonna franchise. Again. And even if they transition tag him he can negotiate with teams it I think that's what's going to happen. They're wanna transition tag him. He's gonna go shit with teams reside with somebody else, and it's dealers get compensation, but the big thing for the Steelers is they still got an outstanding level production of bales production with James Carter, which is a win. And they get what close to sixteen million dollars back and catch space. So let's win for the dealers. Yeah. I mean, they're gonna roll over fourteen and a half million dollars, and they are going to need every penny because this this their salary cap was extremely tight already going into next season, you'd need that little bit of a cushion. And that's what they're going to get in in the long run the Steelers could possibly benefit because James Connors cheaper player James CONNER has proven productive. They saved the salary cap space. They save some trauma in the meantime, but in the immediate future. Like, you said, there's some issues you have to wonder, you know, what's going on with the backfield and James Connor and his concussion and you'll EM Steven Ridley, and you only have Jalen singles behind him. Is that good enough can Connor carry a live? They rolled they roll the dice with this scenario ever since lady on Dell burst onto the scene in two thousand fourteen. So I don't think that's going to change any Mike Tomlin loves to run the wheels off his running back. That's. What he does. So I don't wanna spend the whole show talking about lady on bell because on Wednesday when we have our actual show, the standard is a standard. We will have a definitive answer of whether he did it in show up because hey, offer all we know these reports could be wrong all the reports about lady on bell had been wrong so far. So he could be wrong. They he could show up on Tuesday morning. And he could be a part of the team down the stretch. We don't know. This is all going on for ports Vallance eve anything else to say about the situation before we move onto today's action for whom the bell tolls. Yeah. Man. He would've thought is coming. I certainly did not I'll say that. I did not see this coming and all, but you know, what it was an interesting Sunday two Steelers win big on Thursday night football. And so St. Levine's got to sit back and relax weekend. It was like a mini by week watch some football. Let's talk about some AFC scores here. I really don't care about the NFC the Kansas City. Chiefs were actually the Arizona Cardinals played them really tough. Chiefs went twenty six fourteen remain the number one seed in the AFC the maybe surprise game of the week. I guess maybe not the Indianapolis Colts. Hold servant home of the Jacksonville Jaguars the Steelers next opponent twenty nine to twenty six. I watched the majority of the fourth quarter this game. And it just looked like neither team wanted to win. It. It wasn't very good football. But the colts win twenty nine twenty six. We'll talk about the standings here. Second. The big surprise. As lands alluded to earlier the tendency titans. Eat the patriot at home thirty four to ten. Oh, boy who talk about that one in a second. Another big win was the New Orleans Saints fifty one to fourteen over the Cincinnati Bengals has huge AFC north ramifications. We'll get into that as well. The Cleveland Browns twenty eight falcon sixteen you know. It's funny on our preview shell I say if I was gonna pick an upset of the week. I picked the Browns over the falcons I said, but I'm not doing upset to the weeks. I said that I thought the falcons win the grounds do win twenty eight sixteen. That was strange game. And then we have the Los Angeles chargers on sandiego charters twenty two sticks over the hapless raiders who seem like they're playing for the first pick in the two thousand nineteen draft. Now, let's go to the standings in the AFC north. The Steelers remain on top. At one Cincinnati Bengals falling to five and four really put some distance between themselves and the Steelers, and that's really a good cushion for Pitzner. Baltimore Ravens were off headed by week. They're four and five and the Cleveland Browns are three six and one news coming out of Baltimore. Even on the BI week is Joe flacco the hip injury. And they're not sure if he's gonna play next week when they play the Bengals this nightmare. Amar Jackson time in Baltimore. I pay. You. What lands? What are your thoughts on Jeff the AFC north division after we ten it's kinda concluded there north is bad? I think we're seeing that it's a bad division. Fifty one fourteen. They got their gates blown off. I mean, we thought the New Orleans was gonna win. But. Yeah. Lay seize I guess the narrative of the saints not being able to play outside is over drew Brees. Those boys just came through like scorched earth in the while. Give a fifty at all. The division is bad come by TV and they're coming off a bye week. Now. I know they didn't have they didn't have birthed. They didn't have AJ green. They're missing someone else will loss towards ACL say he was out it had some injuries. But man coming off a bye and getting fifty plus on you at your home. He it's bad luck. Riddle me this Jeff the AFC north will have three new coaches next year. Cleveland getting a new head coach. I think Baltimore's get one and Marvin Lewis is out of there. Just imagine that in just how good of a thing that is moving forward for the Pittsburgh Steelers. There's going to be three new division coaches next year. Mark my words. Well, don't you think I the Cleveland Browns are so dumb? I could see Williams getting his team to win some games on the stretch. And they say, you know, what we're gonna turn take away the interim tag. We're gonna give you the head coach I could see. That happening. I legitimately could. That would be Iraq cut you off Jeff that bounty killer, and the bouncy Killa would get a job the NFL. I it's I want to take the show in that term NFL is just comical in its poxy that a guy that really threatened the Turkey of the game by putting physical bounties on players is a head coach. We not absolutely despicable. There's no way that great Williams, aka the bounty killer should be a head coach. He is right now, technically and so. I wouldn't be. That's very Cleveland thing to do. I will say that the Cincinnati Bengals if we if we wound the tape and went back to last year this time, we were save probably saying the same thing about Marvin Lewis that he was going to be fired. And he's still coaching the Cincinnati Bengals I'll say. My predictions one is not gonna be one coach next year. That's my theory because the dangles are the Bengals the Browns the Browns, they will do something. I it's just the truth, man. I mean, I would have bet my house last year that Marvin Lewis was going to get fired. And he kept his job. He kept his job. I don't get it. I mean the Browns like you said the Browns the Browns. Thank goodness is make any sense. I mean Marvis should they be fired should Greg Williams job? Now, not as a head coach should Marvin Lewis still be head head coaching job. Now, he should Harbaugh. The three is the one that I think it would have the longest leash. And I think he's the one that's going to be fired. I if they don't make the playoffs because people in Maryland people in Baltimore, they're pissed. They are pissed off. This is the first time at the Baltimore Ravens have had any sense of sustain turmoil. And or losing really in the last. I don't know twenty years. Expectations Jeff lay Pittsburgh. And if you don't make the playoffs for many years in we'll find someone that they can. So that's a discussion as we get closer to the end of the season. But like you said the AFC north is each a garbage. It's a bad. It might be the worst division. AFC? He didn't east. With. To take the east east is trash the jets bluffly Miami out that that's that's trash. I'll take that back. I miss folks. They're just like about prediction last week. Was that dad, but wow, that's bad. And by the way, Jeff is up two weeks to none in the predictions. He's on the last two weeks. Jeff is my will give you some credit. That's a first so. They AFC north the Steelers. Would it seals it six two and one and the Bengals at five and four hours at a game and a half lead their lands if I do my math correctly. Yes. It is, sir. Thank you. He's a math guy. I'm a PE teacher. All right. So now, I like this is the play of the season where you know, the Steelers are now under the second half of this of their other radio season. I like to take a look at the AFC is a whole because now is when me myself not anyone else. Start to look at playoff pictures in an who's wear and who has what games remaining, and we're not going to go into remaining schedules. But the candidate chiefs who want again today against the cardinals are nine and one and atop the AFC the second place team, the Los Angeles chargers they want again, beating the raiders they're seven into the Pittsburgh Steelers six to one they are the third place team in there. Sorry. Third place team in the AFC standings, the New England Patriots are seven and three right behind this dealers in the Houston. Texans, aren't correct you. Jeff the Steelers are in fact, the two seed in the AFC if you're looking at the Platte picture, I was looking at the the playoff picture, you're right. This would be the TC because the charters and cheese your best in the AFC west in the division. Winner gets the top seed. They're so I'm pretty sure the chiefs and charges will still meet up one more time this season. The Pittsburgh Steelers will play the LA charters and Benin England Patriots still this season. And then right behind the Texans at six and three of the Bengals a five and four. That's the titans at five and four the dolphins of five and five and then the raiders colts at four and five which I would say all those teams are still considered in the hunt. You get down to the three and six teams. That's the Browns. The Jags the Broncos. The bills and the jets. I'm sorry. I just don't consider them in the hunt, so Lance, what do you think about the AFC right now from a standing standpoint from a playoff picture standpoint? DC one of those teams it's down in the in the standings. Currently they could really make a few jumps because I'll tell you what. Again, this year went on Thursday, your idol on Sunday, and they eat Jefferson's. And they continue to do the patriots losing. It's it's really interesting. If we what do you think you were old enough for the jeffersons I saw reruns? Okay. That's what I thought. So you're old enough for Jefferson's. Wait a minute. You weren't watching our grant. When I was a kid Nick Knight rose on there. Oh, wow. I was grown up when Nick at night in the night came while. That's that. There is an age difference between us about that on the air. Yes. No. We don't. Looking at the standings. I think the thing that stands out. You don't wanna have the three seed you do not wanna play San Diego. Whatever you can do to avoid the three seed do it. The Steelers got to play some solid football one or the two seat is okay. As long as you could be if you can beat the chargers and New England down the stretch and secure the two seat at minimum. 'cause I don't think anyone's getting the one seat. I at be surprised if Kansas City lose another game, I've been watching the Rams playoff thought. They would go undefeated. I was wrong about that as well. I just threw that out there in the I like to take a risk take a chance. See I'm justifying my bad picks. But with that being said, I think I think Kansas City beats the Rams later this year. I don't know if the Kansas thing is I can't imagine Kansas City, dropping two more games. Let's take a look next week on Monday night football is the cheese go to LA to play the Rams next week. Okay. So that's week eleven in week twelve I believe they have a bye in week thirteen the cheese play the raiders that's a win in week fourteen. The cheese play the ravens. I don't know you never know. The ravens can be sneaky. Sometimes then after that. He they have after that trying to find it here. The charters and we fifteen that's gonna be a tough game. And then we sixteen they have the Seahawks at Seattle. That's gonna be a tough one in finish up against the raiders again. I could see two more losses than their lands. I really could against the charters against the Rams you go to the Seahawks. You never know. What's going to happen up there? Do. I would I bet on it. No. But I watched some of that game today in in cheese for the first week quarters were very very mundane, very average and not the high powered offense. And they're playing cardinals. Man. There's a cardinals what they weren't playing some fantastic defense. You know, what happens it at Ashley football league? You know, what's going to happen as well? Because they did not play very well against the cardinals. And they have the Rams next week. They're going to play outstanding next week. You know, how to that's how it works all the time and actual football league. You win. You correct. Team circle teams on the schedule. They say they don't they say it's week to week. You know, it's just about the next game. None of them were fired up to play the cardinals. They gotta win. They get out of there. And now it's all full bore full go for the Rams next week. And they'll be ready because like you said said Yang goes hot. They're going to be definitely a well of the game. I like the chiefs in that game. But let's say they lose to finish thirteen three. You know, if the Steelers handle their business the chargers, you know, may not win the division. But even in that case, right? The chargers or the chiefs will be the five seat. So you still want to void the five seat at all cost. Well, the goals always to win your division and the Steelers right now are in the driver's seat in respect and it's early very early out of a bowl left injuries happen injuries can derail and entire season. So keep that in your mind. So now is when we're going to open it up for questions, if you're watching live on YouTube in your part of our live chat by all means fire your questions away will answer as as we get as many as we can. And then we'll call it a show. I do wanna remind everyone that tomorrow that will be Monday divert, regardless of what you're listening to this. We'll have the Steelers hangover the tween Brian, and Tony that is not on YouTube. But you can't find that on podcast form probably Tuesday morning, and then Wednesday will be on again for the standards the standard way back to a normal schedule with Thursday being our previous. So we have some questions firing in here lands. Let's see here. Nicklaus Gabriel's asking. What are we talking about week fifteen? We team has been the same last two years. It's Heinz field. That's New England Patriots. We kinda looted to this last show and the post game show you watch the patriots today. I did not get to see much that game. I'll be honest with you. You know, what the Steelers can do has your mind been changed about the Steelers playing the patriots this year? No. Come on. No. I just the patriots defense is a lot worse than it. Only. Is it was bad last year? It wasn't bad Jesse James will fall down. Again. It wasn't. It wasn't thirty four points to the Tennessee titans bed. Not last year. That's pretty bad. But I don't know, man. I just I don't have any faith and just think that something will happen something always happens. I mean, I think I was at the last game the Halloween game when the Steelers deep the patriots at hides I was at that game. Or maybe they beat them sense. I don't know. I. Happened. So infrequently. I'm sure I'm wrong on that. No, nothing has changed. I disagree. I think this is year. You get the monkey off the back, and I think that this game. And we fifteen could ask them huge implications in regards to playoff standings and seedings and instead of that nature. It's going to be important. It always is important setting up to be that way. Again in his Darrell grand puts gronkowski being interrupted. A lineup is will is huge. It always is. And he did not play true. So still only ten point zero and his gronk on his way out of the patriots defender. You're you're giving up thirty four and you're only scoring ten and they lost thirty seven thirty four. They gave up thirty. They still want. My gosh, only putting up ten points as the patriots, man. Oh my gosh. Mcgahee meals net offense on their no one can touch them. Gimme a break. Groff's on his way out Bronx gronk stop playing any longer. Looks like a Frankenstein. Back injuries and surgeries and stuff. Tomba toll to Thomas comics old is well, they're they're all feelings right now if the Steelers catch them, not healthy. Yeah. But that monkey on the Steelers back is actually in the words of Muhammad Ali a go Rila is more than just a monkey is a go Rila, diedhiou. He doesn't look old is Ben Rothlisberger. I watched the game. Again, the other day. I mean, I'll tell you what the way he's throwing the football. And he's improved as Eason's gone on. I know that he's struggling September. So did the whole team, but even his running he's more mobile now than he has been used young. I'm not saying he's no was he was when he came in the league in four, but. Tiny what year? I tape. I'm calling it. Now Steelers patriots leak fifteen Roma. Tell you there's Jeff when I watch been rothlisburger try to run to the sidelines. A rotted slide it watch like outlook. Like, I was watching the three hour Titanic movie. Jeez. Take forever to go down jeans near line a-. Scrambled era agree. Now, the worst was that go back a week when he was scrambling got tackled by Darius men in Baltimore, man. Yes. Sand quarter. Yes. And my high school baseball cash he's say are the kids under eighteen of a slow. He a you look like molasses going on a tree and a cold. Winter's day. Damn slow what Gauguin's Dermot Lassus? Yep. Worded. Later in life. I know what he's talking about. All right. So. Ron does not like right now you hit land. I love the zero beat the patriots and chartered. But do you think religion to things I take because ranson basically already given the SuperBowl win all the to go rip the Steelers up? But I wouldn't feel bad about it. I mean, they're NFC team planning on turf. It is just a whole different animal at this point this year. Hell they're going outside and putting up fifty one. There's just a whole different animal in that Billy. It's it's something you should take. I'm not taking a personal. I get it. Because it's impressive. The, you know, but I guess my question is when do you start giving the Steelers credit? Football team. I mean, they're full. Team. They put a fifty two against against six two Panthers team. Any Bengals are not as good as the Panthers. That's already been proven. I think this year drew still are very good football team. I'm I guess I'm expecting you to start saying, you know, you sail these accolades for other teams, and they went outside and put up fifty one pitzer was outside. But a fifty two I mean it gets better team. And you talk about you know, you'd on the turf you data. There's boys are run on the Pittsburgh as explosive offense. I guess I don't know. Why you don't see what I see? I guess do you see what I see is this season manses? Listeners Jeff has a Christmas tree up. Yeah. Let me show you. It's right here. I'm sitting right? Look at that. Thanks, and I got five kids. They were really excited. I'm a sucker for these little goblins in ad put the tree of what to be to do it. So I did it I told we're not put an ordinance on time to thanksgiving. So whatever you had to put your foot down there. I did he will you have to draw the line in the sand lands come on. The ocean comes up and washes it away. So. We kinda got off the beaten path here. Let's go back to some questions. This is a really good one. And it refers to Steelers game in Denver at mile high in I'll go ahead in go ahead of the host in in lump and the Oakland game DC any of those two games as trap games both are on the road, both on the west coast or your thoughts. I think the raider game could be a trap game. They never win in Oakland because they never went open. I've seen him lose at Oakland so many times, and I'm not a historical stack guy, but Oakland will be so bad at that point. And the Steelers are going through a pretty rough patch really pretty pretty worse jets when you look at their schedule they're playing Jags gender chargers that you got raiders that that's pretty tough there. You know, maybe their deed up, maybe they take the raiders lightly. So so I think the raider game could be attract game. But you know, let me do the Steelers credit. I I don't want to predict the games. I'm looking at the Jags Broncos chargers as three they got one two three four five six seven games left. You know, I can see them going forward. Three five and two in in in that mix going five into over. The course of those seven games. Yeah. Yeah. I could see that. The Denver game scares me. When Oakland watch the Oakland Raiders they've literally given up. They have just given up but Denver ads still a proud team a tough place to play the altitude odds definitely is something that most teams are, you know, comfortable with her yeast to it would be interesting. I don't wanna get too much into Jacksonville game. But someone asked the question how many touchdowns do you think? Ben Rothlisberger throws against Jacksonville defense. Next sunday. Say three really now you said he said the they were getting carved up a t- tight end sets today. Right. Absolutely. There was a lot of coverage bus in the first half. I think every tight in for the colts context. Not not even went off. Yeah. And he had t- touchdowns. I mean mad rushing touchdown t. I'm not sure I I had him on nothing off three Doyle caught one e rock hot one. And I think the third why is the third string tied a one is. Well, so I think they're susceptible to to some tight ends. I mean, they're gonna give you predictable covered three in the Steelers have seen it. I don't think Steelers Idi any issue moving to football against him in a playoff game. It's defensively with feel be able to hold up. I still play well against Jacksonville. Not only dad. It is a game. He think about just be Carolina on primetime years beat the ravens a week before feel fans naturally talk about the letdown. They're doing it in the the five chat. Brag now's speak. No letdown game. They're not beat you with. Last year at home in the playoff. No, let down there. That's a revenge game. They got that game circle. Yeah. I agree. One hundred percent. And don't forget fans that game is at one o'clock now eastern standard time not eight twenty was a Sunday night game. It was like stout. Just a you know, it was not it's not going to be a Nike him, set your schedules accordingly. Okay. Nate asked is do you didn't Chris boswell's pass his struggles? He was perfect on Sunday are Thursday night. But he did miss an extra point against the ravens a week prior. What your thoughts on Chris Boswell? I think he's fine. I think if the yard field goal was proof enough. He he looked so tight kicking that ball. He he is. He is fighting advan. He is fighting, and I always talk about golf when I talk about kicking because the actual art of kicking the ball is very similar to the art of hitting a golf ball. Stationary object. The way your leg is winging is similar to the golf swing. The spin on the ball impacts the way that it moves in the air. And there are times if you're a golfer, and I'm an avid golfer. Bengal Veness is six years old. There are times where you play around the Gulf, and you are fighting it the entire time fighting it. He's fighting right now. But I think that he's on his way hopefully on the men that's what I think. Let's see let's get to another. Well, Niklas why this Jordan berry situation, I figured I had figured Jordan berry out you wanna know about Jordan berry lands. I can tell you exactly what it is. Jordan. Berry is great it. He can kick the ball from midfield every time. If you need a punter to pin people inside the twenty I'd say he's probably top five in the league doing that. If you need a partner with the big way to foot the field, you might as well cut Jordan berry right now 'cause he sucks at that. I don't know what it is. He might have one of those. I'm talking one today's boomers once every quarter of the season, but other than that, it's not very good. So that's that's my Jordan berry philosophy Lance. What do you think you think they should've tried out in printers? Nothing E equals MC squared. Have you figured that out to Jeff? Nats little bit above my pay grade. Exactly. No one knows what's going to happen to Jordan dairy or with Jordan berry. I mean, it's it sort of you know, you just go to the dance with the one you came with. I mean, they know what they have in Jordan, Barry. I don't know if they want to bring in another uncertain element into the mix Layton season. I mean, the only way I think Jordan very gets replaced. If he gets hurt. Yeah. All right, Emma. Last question is is for me. It's not from the life chat. And it is you think? Let's take tangible evidence off the field with radio bell eating lady on bell. If he does not show up could somehow be better for the team from the attention gone now eating there's put any stock into that that the players won't have to add answer questions anymore about him. They won't have to be wondering is he gonna show up as not gonna show up? What your thoughts? Do you buy into that stuff for his at all just superfluous? I don't really buy any that. You know, me, Jeff. I don't think they give rat's ass at this point. They're just playing football and they're winning. He's not helping them. So they don't care about it. I mean, don't be happy that they won't be asked. But I don't think they care. I think the only thing they are thinking about is gay. I'm glad coach Tommy gave us off to a wins day. They're like he said come back Wednesday. They said Yippee. Lady off who? Yeah. This point data care. He can't help them. So they don't care and they're trying to rest up and take this long weekend to be with family. Probably get thanksgiving plan sorted out. All types of stuff in just detaching desensitized get away for football, get some lifts and get some treatment day worried about lady on bail at all. Agri? But I think there's going to be a part of them that just is happy that there's a a finally to it a okay, he's not coming. And we we mentally are already moved on probably the word really now just were moving the return of the page. And here we go. This is our team this. These are guys it's not gonna change it going to be coming in someone can go snag that locker they want. So. There you have it lands. Any final words before we call it a show great week it again for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Cincinnati Bengals get beat which is great for them. Also, I wanna give a big shout out to the Cal football team. We beat USC for the first time if fourteen years big up to Cal football. Here we go Cal ball eligible. You know, it, you know, the story tell the whole darn world. This is bare territory, you know, it. Okay. I'm not a big college football guy. But I did an honest question for you in a world now where there's like teeth Ousmane bowls is being bowl eligible something to celebrate. Hell if you're. Has play in the Doritos holiday sprinkle bowl that is on at two AM in some godforsaken place on ESPN, eight DO. You're there you're Cal hat on. Let's go. Yeah. We're the bowl game. We could be in the cool late bowl. I wouldn't care. You'll be care the toilet and flushing high. They gail. We could be in the the crap kit ball out your merely guy crap. Yes. All out here. Let's ban is. Absolutely. All right. My friend. Thank you for your time listeners. Thank you for enjoy. Hopefully, you enjoyed the shell. Hopefully got a little information that the week that was is all we tend to a rap for the AFC Monday games gonna suck. So it's an NFC matchup. It's giants and forty Niners. I think yuck. That's awful. That is terrible. So I'll tell you what that's why we do this show you get here. None of his Steelers talk for a good forty five minutes to an hour. Remember to follow us on YouTube. Good a YouTube search BT SE Steelers radio unit falls on all the podcast platform. Spotify art nineteen stitch Ugo play IT's. You name it type in Steelers will be they're also makes you check out behind the curtain dot com for all your Pittsburgh Steelers needs I'm Jeff for Lance. We'll see is Spencer home. My name is Jason Kirk. My name is Ryan Manny never week. Combine we form the shutdown full cast Ron keep telling you, we're not hold from the set now focused technically college football podcast. But it's also a show about care disaster regional grocery stores. We love Tennessee Batman, homeowners associations bears in video games. I mean, there's also some actual football discussion like about coaches, having huge contracts or coach. She's making terrible decisions coaches saying really stupid things or the NC double A's saying released. Yeah, there's lots of stupid things in this big dumb, beautiful sport. Sometimes we talk about football games allegedly. If you wanna take college football exactly seriously as it deserves to be taken come find us on apple podcasts Spotify or wherever else you listen to podcasts. Like, this this downpo- cats. It's not voltron.
The Steelers Preview, Part 2: How broken is the Steelers offensive line?
"This episode is brought to you by hp plus in a world full of smart devices. Isn't it about time. Your printer got smart to now. Printing is smart with hp fuss and the hp smart app is how it all happens. You can print from your phone with just a tab no matter where you are even from your garage slash home office slash. Go studio smart. Hp plus learn more about smart printing at dot com slash. Smart or a pittsburgh steeler fans welcome back to part two the steelers preview jeff harbin with dave scofield and brian. Anthony davis. We've got a lot to talk about. So far this podcast. We talked about trai. Turner and david decastro being released the entire first parts in case you stumbled upon part two i go back and listen to part one then come back for part to the other news that took place on thursday morning was the news that the pittsburgh steelers for the second straight season will not be going to saint vincent college in latrobe. I thought Day this slack channel that it was a genius move by the steelers it genius. Move and i'll tell you why because burt lawton the director of public relations for the pittsburgh steelers he was the one that sent out a statement saying that the steelers put out a plan to the national football league. The nfl reviewed said nope can happen entity. said basically. It's the steelers again. Well you tried. And we're back in pittsburgh and then when they see back in pittsburgh to know that there will be some practices to heinz field some which are going to allow fans and then other branches will be at the team facility which obviously no fans i wanna get before we talk about logistics. Here your take on the steelers not getting back to latrobe and does it even matter. Brian will start with you. It does not matter whatsoever. If you're worried about the steelers record in two thousand and twenty one doesn't matter. The only thing that that matters is to those folks matters. Today's brother rich. Who was hoping to take. Kyle and a buddy and go to go to training camp. It matters to the fans that wanna get that experience because that is a great experience. I remember going there in one thousand nine hundred eighty getting autographs. Unfortunately one of them was cliff stout and mark malone but you know i remember going there with my family and go in having the stuff there in and seeing those guys walk out and then being larger than life. That's the great experience. But if you're worried about the team then you don't worry about the fans that get there that are going to miss that for another year. That's what you don't worry about the scheme of the team. That's all i care about. So if they have the practice in pittsburgh if they have the practice in like the bank would remove a ramada. I'm fine as long as they get this together. Yeah no i agree and there's have can. It's just not going to be what we are used to. Dave what are your thoughts on the steelers not going back to latrobe it bryant so a brian say that it doesn't matter the team it really does matter to the to the fan base and which makes it which is all whole bigger than the team. If you know what. I mean i mean these guys really want to have to go and share. Share dorm room with the with a teammate. For a month and be away from their families and everything especially the veteran guys. you know rookies. they're probably dislike. Bring it that's fine. I don't have you know. maybe not. Yeah they just left dorms. Yeah that's that's the thing so when you when you brought up such a good point there jeff that the way they spun it and the nfl won't let us go. And you know dallas got approved to go to oxnard california. The chiefs were approved to go to some college and missouri had to say missouri unheard from missouri. I don't know if that's how i met your mother or not home but you kind of wonder what the steelers do to get denied and two. They almost do it on purpose. Meaning did they say if we can't get to latrobe in this fashion then we don't wanna be there so what was more important getting to latrobe at all or getting to latrobe the the way they wanted it to be because something that they knew this or not but something for the memo's all these great things that have been coming out by the nfl when it comes to kobe. Protocols is no interaction with fans during training camp because of covid protocols Even though today it was it was reported that the steelers were the eighty five percent vaccination rate in what that's gonna mean that everything still didn't matter that if they didn't put a plan in place it was going to keep fans from being right with the players to have that interaction. It was probably going to be shot down. And maybe specifically didn't put that in there because they hope that that who knows maybe when they apply they didn't even know it was a thing you know so we really don't know but it was. It was basically what the steelers wanted is what the nfl said no to and we don't know what the specific thing is. I'd the one thing i wanna talk about. Which has nothing to do with protocols or percentages or anything like that is we've heard in this goes back to cower how much the steelers value. Oh my gosh. We value that month and in the dorms and the value the month that they are just together all the time. And it's just so great and all this stuff and then when art rooney the second after this season came out and said if we're not going to have fans there were not going in. Then i all of a sudden thought to myself you all are just blowing smoke. 'cause if it mattered. It was so great to be there for a month in the dorm. Rooms you've go even if there weren't fans in the nfl would allow you to do it. They take sure you're not going to fans you can go. You can go to saint. Vincent college go forward. Stay in the dorms. We don't care but that to me it was just like okay. Just say you're gonna stay in pittsburgh that's that's it for me. Just be honest you know way we want to have the fans there. We're not sure it's gonna work. We're just gonna wind for next year. Twenty twenty two. But don't tell me how great everything is. You just value that time with the team bonding and all this brawl rob bullcrap in just to find out that you know you don't really care you don't the players. Don't care when the tweet when when it went out on instagram and all their social media platforms birds. Burt laden's quote. Juju smith schuster. Eric ebron all these players like yeah. They were pumped. They don't want to go there they don't want like day. Said earth might've been brian. They're missing their families. They're going to be sleeping in their own beds. Now gimme a break. I'm sick and tired of the of the extra talk. Go ahead dave's they give something. Oh yeah because we also have to remember. It could be a factor that we don't even think about okay. It could be someone mentioned in the live chat that maybe the vaccination rates aren't high enough in whatever county. It is that latrobe is and i can't remember. Maybe that has people from all over that area go. It's not exactly exactly so that shouldn't matter. It could be based on other things scheduled at saint vincent college at that time. Can you know what i'm saying. It couldn't even that can affect. Oh well you're not going to have the entire facility to just the steelers well then we can't do that. I'm not saying there wasn't there wasn't there outside circumstances that we can't even think of that would have ultimately been the reason why they can't and the thing is the steelers are telling us why which makes me think more of that. It's kind of what you were saying. Jeff specific reason like that but then people would have said well. Why don't you fix data in order to make it happen. And i don't know that they can't at this point so it's what about you. Brian you wanna say something. I completely agree with jeff hartmann. I completely disagree with jeff hartmann. Love it all right jeff. Jeff is absolutely correct. This team does not want to be there. But you don't have to tell the fans that you've got to keep that story book of latrobe because that's family tradition. You keep family tradition. You say oh how much we love it. You don't want to tell your fence we don't give a rat's ass about you you don't want to say that what you want to tell your fans is like man we value you. We wish you could be with you but you know what inside there jumping for joy. They're loving it because not only that. Just the logistics of training camp at latrobe. All the stuff that you've got to do with housing and meals in all of this you don't have to do as much. There's so many things that you don't have to hire those extra people for you. Don't have to worry about some things you don't have to worry about somebody at the Somebody getting out to the local latrobe strip club. You don't have to worry about that. That's the strip covering the trail. I dunno long way to ask. Don't wanna go there. We've got wayne safe. The thing about it. And you mentioned something with juju iran jumping for joy and all. I thought i thought maybe devin bush was upset because he had that four letter word on twitter. But that was about the castro. Not about latrobe. I don't know but you know what they don't need to insult the fans by saying. Hey we don't want to be there. They they need to do the things and talking about how great it was because it would be. It would be a slap in the face of the memory of dan rooney. You said we hated being there. It would be a slap in the face of the fans if you did that but i agree that they don't want to be there that life's better for the steelers. If they're in their apartments and their homes yeah. I was one of his naive fans at a younger age. I was a boy. It's graded the steelers. Love it up there. You know. I mean it's just so awesome. And then he would see the players come into camp and they'd have their ambra keys will roll up in a tractor. In james harrison drives a fire truck in antonio brown lord knows how he gets there all lost. It's lost when i found out that antonio brown never stayed on campus. He had a house that he would stay in. That was just near the facility. And i think ronald reagan never. I don't think he did as a rookie. You know what i mean. But the whatever when he became a b yeah any never stay ahead the ocean. Yeah mr big chest. What it is now. It's just a situation this is. I feel like it's all pomp and circumstance. Now i would be shocked if they never go back to be completely honest. I would not be shocked if they say you know what we like it staying in pittsburgh. We're going back and let me also say that they've not released the information on when they're gonna practice at heinz field and when they're going to be at their facility when there's going to be fans allowed if they don't just let any fans is packed the house at heinz field. Why you're going to have a full half act capacity for games. Why not get your staff in there and say let's get ready for the preseason. Let's get ready for the regular season. Let's get used to this in. I'm sure that there's going to be little errors. That you have to follow in proper protocols in how you have to walk down the hallway and you have to do a little jig to get a beer at the concession stand. I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff that you're going to have to do but might as well let them pack the houses that saying all right. Sorry you're talking about hides field or are you talking about the beehive the strip. And the. I'm cody jerry earl. Deans because on from johnstown the i will really where is the d. Hive could thirty. I never learned. Latrobe know is at two am story. I feel like in the making the to be i visit. There's a lot of glitter exchange night. We'll just put it that way. I wanna get this on the screen. We lose it if getting z. Gives us four ninety nine and gives us a chance to recalibrate says The real problem with the steelers is coaching being prepared and getting ready for region noodle ponant on the schedule. It always has been. I not going to disagree you. We all lived through rainy. Land so yes. Coaching matters man the beehive. The hive stories Would we can't do it now. Party all right so there you go. The steelers are not going back to latrobe. The beehive is safe for another summer and we still don't know when they're gonna even report. Do we day today. Ever say dan a little bit frustrated because everything that we've done with our countdown. We've based on it being july twenty first because the nfl said that is when the steelers and the cowboys can rewards training camp because they play in the hall of fame game. Apparently the cowboys aren't reporting on the twenty-first they're going to twenty seconds. So and i don't know if that's report or when you start practice but now that they're at heinz field. There's not a difference because remember you would report but then practices didn't start until the next day so we don't have a date. We know what we know. It's not before the twenty-first but it should be somewhere close to that date if they want to be able to. I would rather than start sooner. And then have days where they don't where they take time off but that's just me the hive. Her lawsuit. Say oh my gosh. She's all right. What is it just went what. You probably have a discount on draft beer. If you bring a sealers bumblebee jersey. Schober in delmonte. Pa delmonte so giving what are we. What are we talking about here brian. They have just like a standard web page. I mean i'm not asking does or anything like that. Actually they don't have reviews and like club planet and monitoring overviews. I haven't clicked on it but look let's see the beehive show bar in delmonte Strippers are the main attraction of so are located world. Route three bucks to sixty five a word of advice. Don't get too touchy feely. The girls don't like it. You'll get a bad rap and might even get tossed from the place. Show him a little in the show. You the same highway. I just found it on google maps. Let's plan your party at this venue according to planet. Oh my gosh that's funny on the border. Delmonte and murray's murray's ville so there it's close to murray's vel at right it's behind show bar. It's an adult club slash hallam better after leaves. Silk can we have a bt. Tse event there like is that a central location. We should be careful because robert m got a lap dance with sapphire and she stole my phone. I don't know if you can see it. There's the street view. Oh yeah hi. Where are we talking about cricket pack. Hey we said about bringing it back the after party. I think we just kinda did unofficially. Officially it's there. Let me live a tip here. Tom gives us five dollars. Uses losing decastro hurts but as long as the new group can get a push for harris we will be okay latrobe and the fans of the only one sad about campus because they're losing a lot of business now and less foot Footrot jeff corporate successor will be the scout awesome stuff. That's that's where they're getting their next. Gm from and they're actually going to hire the fbi have defined him guys. We we do have this. That had that the behind his fourteen miles from saint vincent college but only only twenty two minutes by by car diverse. The hey jerry. Cherry said he played three sets. there on tuesdays. Did sapphires doing your damn sapphires. Thank you. I need this. Love it. okay tony's tacky properties. Tom is those guys come on. We aren't the washington football team. I get it. I argued trivia dave. Oh you're ready for it. yes. I have some trivia. This was something. I was looking up for an article that i'm going to be putting out sometime in the next week. It depends. I mean after all the breaking news today. I don't know what i'm going to get around to writing this kind of stuff again. But i just done an article yesterday. Which was very ironic. That i said. Oh no news is good news in the off season but what would be good news. One reports of entering the campus. What we kinda got that today. K then to was finally getting kindergarten signed and then three was signing another player. Well we did today after losing another one but when i was some of the comments from behind the curtain dot com your one stop shop for all things pittsburgh steelers they were saying. Oh you're forgetting something. You know signing tj to an extension. And i'm like that's not going to happen between now training camp. That's one of the steelers. Do business. I went back and looked and all the steelers transactions that they had on their website back to two thousand and twelve. How many contract extensions do you think were signed by the steelers meaning. Someone got a new. Do i'm not talking about signing their rookies or making a you know. Basically a a dash move. If you know what i mean someone that they already had on their team and they offer and they signed them to a new contract or an extension between minicamp training camp over the last nine years the last nine years the last nine seasons. How many times. It's that they've done a deal during that time of the year. And so you're saying this is not including if they were to just sign somebody during camp because training camps already started by that so that would be kind of move. I'm going to say zero. And brian will say zero okay. It's one and but the question was who was one time in the last nine years they've actually done a contract extension between mini camp and training camp. I'm gonna guess vince williams. I don't know why that name is coming to mind. Try and probably the wrong. I'll say antonio brown. It was one cameron heyward not last year in twenty fifteen last year. Cam heyward signed. His deal is his extension on september. Sixth that's when the steelers are generally doing their extensions and things like that. And that's why. I said one of the possibilities. The steelers are thinking all well if we need to save some money. Maybe we'll extend decastro. Extend to castro will do that closer to the start of the season and then all of a sudden you find out man we might not even have them at all so maybe they were needing to do something to save cap. I don't know but for those of you that think. Oh maybe maybe we'll get the t. J. watt megadeal or whatnot. This is not the time of year that the steelers generally do business. So the fact this and i had this trivial looked up today before the decastro news. This had nothing to do with that. And then what do you know what happens between many cape and training camp that happened now market pouncey signed an extension one year but it was right before mandatory minicamp. It was in june. But if you look at the steelers transactions there's many years they don't even have a transaction in june and almost every transaction in july is like july twenty fifth or later because there are already in training camp. It's it's crazy so they're re. This really is the downtime. So if you're looking for one of those contract extensions now's really not the time so sorry. That was kind of a little bit of week trivia. I was going to try to dig deeper into it. But then all of a sudden i'm writing articles about david decastro on the salary cap and trade turner getting signed and all that other stuff. So that's the best i could do. Okay brian you have trivia. I do not. i cannot top that it was just. I'm sorry today was. We should not have this many breaking news stories on a thursday in late. June this is this is not steelers. Steals football works. The steelers are doing the news dumb thing. He noticed. turner women's at announced friday at four or four thirty or five. And then you have this move. Decastro was late in the afternoon They're they're doing the news dump. And i don't get it. They normally don't they've only just make the announcement one time to make the announcement but it is what it is said. What's up brian. No not very good all right. Well let's say it's been a good show for. Let's let's finish up with some final thoughts. He's tend to go a little bit longer. Will give you plenty of time brian lunch. Good start all right. This has been a day of crushing defeat for the fans that wanted to attend in latrobe. It could be crushing for losing. David decastro it could be on the upside and you should feel a little bit. Good that your organization being able to go ahead and bring somebody in to stop the bleeding right away and see how it works. So i'd like to bring up this quote right here. Prepare for the worst hope for the best and remember it is what you make of it and that is a man from cruz. California john h and that's his cue from the beehive however that review was from two thousand eight and two thousand eight. The steelers had a dilapidated offensive line and they won the super bowl with the schedule in the league this year. The steelers have the hardest schedule in the league. Drop that mike. Dave oh i have no prion. How could you have something that good gut say. Maybe i should save mine for last. Come on that was. That was a friend because not only was that possibly maybe your shortest final thoughts ever. That was by far the the the most appropriate. I think we've had on this show. Let me say. I thought that the quote was going to be from a mr belding from saved by the you were it by that much buildings alias and yet another i should say something something okay. It is sad to lose david decastro. It is but if you really want to be able to come back as a steelers fan and say and take something. That's not as disappointing. Is that the castro. The only we're going to move on from decastro is if he was not what he was before. It's not that the steelers were missing out on two thousand eighteen david decastro or something like that nature in twenty twenty one. You're probably looking at at at the twenty twenty version or worse so therefore yes. It said that he's not part of the team. But what you really going to get apparently was not going to be much so i wish i could sum this up with yet. Another quote from view from the beehive. But i i just i. i don't have one. That's as appropriate. As what brian ed. Tom gives us five dollars and wisdom from the be hodge. I bet there's a lot of to wisdom from the beyond andrew welby just in the ivan wants to sign a contract advertisers. Dgse next week all three guys will have behind haircuts. Look like. I don't have enough to have him anytime haircuts. I oh my gosh well make sure that wherever you get your podcast tune into behind. The steel curtain serves behind the curtain or steelers. You'll find then you can listen to tales from two. Am if you don't catch it on youtube. because i think that might be sponsored by the beehive. Starting this sunday with he'll have a girl on every week as a leak. We wearing my jerseys say bridal hefty to get a new phone every every monday morning. Bryan berner fan out agonise there every now and then. We need to laugh of providing you laugh. Thank you all for joining us for another episode of the steelers preview. We'll be back next. Thursday hopefully back to our regular scheduled time day one or two us out. The i live on location. We'll see taken.
Steelers Post-Game: Pittsburgh continues to stack wins heading into huge Ravens game
"Pittsburgh Steeler fans. Welcome back to another episode of the Steelers postgame show. I'm Jeff Harbin editor of behind the steel curtain dot com here to talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers. Third straight win their first home division win as they beat the Cleveland Browns thirty three to eighteen there's a lot to talk about a lot to digest them goods and bads ugly. And joining me as always is my co host, Lance Williams, Lance how you doing what are your knee-jerk reactions to the game today. Before the Steelers gave up the last touchdown to end the game, ashville may be ready to say this. Let me just put it out. This the best game that they've played this year, although they started out slowly marketing on offense and probably to the Tate of most people when Steeler nation. I thought this was their most complete game on both onto the ball. Really good defensive effort really good effort overall after the first quarter and solid win solid divisional win. So we'd asked a question a couple of weeks ago. When was I ready to jump on board when it came with football team? Not that I'm never on board with the team. But it was if they win three division games and their own pace in on track to do that. Absolutely now before we get started with show. And obviously if you're watching live on YouTube, you can join in the live Chad. And and definitely ask them questions towards the end of the show will get his many as we can I do wanna take a minute though. And send out a I think can Dolan his prayers thoughts. However, you wanna word it to all those victims of this senseless violence in Pittsburgh. And you could definitely see not only from those were there watching the game live at Heinz field. You could see the messages on Twitter by the team a sad day in Atlanta ended it hits close to home to you growing up in Pittsburgh. I if you wanna take a few minutes, you can I want to echo Jeff sentiments in its unique for me in the sense that I went to Carnegie Mellon. I'm very familiar with the area. In fact, I graduated in that synagogue, so it hits home on that front. Interesting slips. I mean. You know? Mass shootings are terrible. I don't wanna make any political comments in terms of gun control. But the one thing I think we can all agree on is that mass shootings or just bad. Really bled. And you know, it's just unfortunate that you can't even feel safe in a place of worship we can do better than this. And hopefully, we will. Absolutely. And you know, I it kinda makes me think for for maybe just say small bit of time the Steelers the, and I always thought that sports can do this where a great distraction for those that might be suffering in might be wondering what's going to happen in their city, and maybe just for a few hours. They were able to kinda take their mind off of that and focus on some football. It sounds silly. But it does happen. So let's get talking about football. Let me read some of the statistics for you off the game book. Pittsburgh Steelers win thirty three to eighteen. They were shut out in the first quarter. It was ugly. There's watch no this. And then they rattled off fourteen in the second followed by nine in the third and ten in. The final frame. Here we go Ben Rothlisberger. Finish twenty four of thirty six for two hundred fifty seven yards two touchdowns. One intersect at one interception was only sacked once about he was under duress. A lot. In the first half rating was ninety four point three. The man of the hour though, James Connor finished with twenty four carries. One hundred forty six yards averaging six point one. A Carey for two touchdowns in a long of thirty yards. Let's go over. Hey, Jalen Samuels second leading rusher at something of note for me for carry seventeen yards. Let's go to the receiving Antonio Brown. He had six catches for seventy four two touchdowns with a long of forty three was targeted eight times. James Kanerva second on that list. Five catches sixty six yards. No touchdowns along fourteen was targeted six times. And here's what's crazy. Just listen to these receptions to target so Brown six eight Connor five of six. Vance McDonald three of three ju ju four of six Justice. One hundred to four very efficient day for the Steelers receiving group. Lance before we go into the defense. Let's talk some grades. Ben Rothlisberger on a scale from one to four we done this last few weeks four being an a plus one being an F. Will you great big Ben's performance today? I'm going to give them three. I think it was a solid game. Little rusty coming off the bye some high throws turn over the football. I think it's a solid theory. Yeah. I agree with the three I think that's fair because although the interception was forced it wasn't really his fault. But they didn't ask him to do a lot. And I'm I'm not sure if I said this on our show of our set it on the Steelers preview with Brian Davis. The Steelers should want Ben Rothlisberger to have a very Muendane stat line. You nothing crazy through for two fifty seven. They did throw at thirty six times. But they had a great tremendous performance. James connor. Let's go to him. How do you gray? James Connors performance. James Connor gets a four or on a for sure. And I'm not gonna call him James Connerly more. I'm gonna call him. John Connor is the Terminator he is terminating lady on bills worth in value. Because he is having tremendous games after tremendous games and. This is over two hundred yards. You know, two hundred yards from scrimmage again. He's having a fantastic season. He's scoring touchdowns. And James Carter is the guy. He is the Terminator he is the Terminator of lady on bales value. And the Steelers have no concern whenever the gravy guy gets in. Yeah. It's a four of there's a plus if it's four to five whatever it is. That's what he gets. He had a tremendous game. He outgained the entire Brown's offense. The last time we saw that. I believe was lady on bell doing that in buffalo and the snow game. Or he went off. I watched James Connor play in the beginning of the season. There was always that. Well, you know haven't had to sample size yadda, yadda, yadda. He looks like an NFL starting running back. But not only that he looks like a s- NFL star running back, and there's a big difference there. Let's go to seed inquiry Antonio Brown like I said six eight in terms of perceptions to target seventy four yards to touch. Had great his performance. It's an I mean six eight targets touchdowns. It's a very efficient game for AB to wanting. I would say about James car. He asked to improve his boss secure. He's gotta stop letting the ball on the ground. And if he cleans that up there, and he is a starting level. I mean, he's already a starting level running back in the National Football League. He stops putting the ball on the ground. And he's a star and ask for Bali like you suggest. Yeah, I agree Antonio Brown. Definite a performance. And this used did not rely on him that doesn't take away from him. Taking advantage of his opportunities that they could've connected on that other deep pass for some reason Brown adjustment kind of slowed down a little bit. And he couldn't hall in the deep pass. I think those in the third quarter. But still a very very good game. Let's go on now to the defensive side of the ball. TJ wide led the team in tackles with seven six of them are so low he had one sack two tackles for loss in a quarterback hit. Steph onto ties was seventy. Tackles three so he also had a sack and he had to quarterback heads. And I think the other players of note, let's go to team total statistics here sacks. The only ended up getting Baker Mayfield twice. But I don't think that is really conducive to how the Steelers pass rush lived in the backfield seven quarterback hits might be more indicative of that performance. You look at past defenses. They had four tackles for loss seven. They did have an interception Joe Haden with his first of the season. Let's go ahead. And to see I guess, let's grade the defense overall. And then we'll talk about some players individually that we thought played will maybe didn't place it. Well, how would you grade? The defense lands. I was ready to give them a I was very disappointed by the last drive think you just gotta play cleaner and finished balking. So I would give them a B. Plus, I think the man of the hour to sweets be sour was bud to pre. I mean, I guess I can call him by name, but not Doug today. I think but play the great game. You know, great pass Rusk great pressure consistent pressure. Great play on the safety. Albeit was marred by the very boneheaded special teams play of not knowing the situation, and we could talk about that later. Jeff in terms of you think that was on the players. What do you think that was on the coaching? We'll talk about that. But I think the deep is played at Wrigley. And I think they played much better football moving forward since the last three games this. The Atlanta gay. Great on the back end. He'll Joe heating plant fantastic. I have just liked into finish off their work by not giving Cleveland touch late. Right. Yeah. The only thing I would say because I agree with you. I would say a three point seven five for the for the Steelers defense today outside of the first quarter, which was a little rough and outside of the gate. Phenomenal field position that they Browns received after the gap on the free. Like he's able to talk about that in a second. I thought they played well thought they were physical. This is the first time in the run defense that I can't even remember the last time when Chubb would get the ball there were times where he was literally being moved backward step out Steph onto played great today. He's a guy that's kind of m I a times throughout the season Duprey played. Well, and I said this on a preview show last week. Do you knew that the Browns were not gonna let TJ destroy them? Like he had threatened entire NFL career. And then but DuPree is going to be one. On one you have to win those matchups, and he did it wasn't always pretty, but he did kudos to Joe. Haden knows very nice interception. That led to a touchdown at the end of the first half. Definitely turn the tide for the team. I personally have seeing too much Anthony Shaquille O for my liking. I understand that. He's that guy is gonna come in. And spelled it free and watt. You're coming off a bye week. You should be that gas. I felt that he was out there. Too much what and DuPree are both more athletic than shake alot. But other than that. I thought my kilt and played well, Terrell Edmonds was very if I'm grading, Terrell. Edmonds. I'm giving him a she automobile. I'll be tough on them. Even a one point seven five was not impressed. Didn't look it in coverage took some really bad angles. You agree with that assessment? Lance. If it was tough when the rook today, I don't think that was his best performance, but I'd like to amend my grade, I like the push my up to a three and a half specifically because of how things played in the first quarter to keep the Steelers in that ballgame into game three of thirteen stopping the Browns on third down for twenty three percent. And let me take a look at the other critical number two red zone one or two fifty percent. Those numbers you can win with. And I thought it was critical for the defense to keep the Steelers in the game as the offense was slowing in warming to it. And to the task. That's what the offense in defense special teams. It's so complementary, and that's why football's ultimate complementary game the defense played well enough to keep them in until the offense got simmering and cooking. Well, yeah. Considering the fact that the Steelers offense went in entire quarter without eating gaining a first down. It wasn't even Destino of where not even a first down in the first quarter, which is embarrassing enough. Okay. Let's talk about the play. You have to have it. You have to bring context to this play for those. It might not have seen the game live. It might have been following it online or reading about it on the hundred dot com. But debris essentially leads to us act by getting held in the end zone to safety in a free. Kick follows for those who don't know free. Kick is treated essentially as a kickoff. Meaning if the ball travels ten yards. It can be recovered by the kicking team. The cake is kicked it looks like Ryan Switzer's gonna come up to catch the ball for some reason. Roosevelt next backs up and calls for a fair. Catch the ball hits the ground as Switzer seizes he backs up. The ball bounces Switzer set of going and getting the football. Let's the Browns take it. The Browns jump on it. It's their football. They end of scoring a touchdown off of that. You asked me, Lance. If either this was more on the players the coaching. That's both in my opinion. It's both, and I know that might be a cop out answer. But it's because you Danny Smith had a had a minute to get with his players before that kick. And he didn't say look just remember this is like a kick off. You can't let them try to down the ball. That's coaching. But to the players, you're professionals, you have to know better than that Ryan's which are you are supposed to be a return specialist. A you also play receive Reiner stand that, but you're supposed to be a return specialist. This cannot happen. Lance will be your thoughts. I'm gonna 'gree with you in slightly disagree. Jeff. I agree that it was just a we definitely agree. There was bad. It was bad. But I'm gonna put it on the players just because I don't know if Danny Smith. Let me just agree with you. I agree. 'cause I was gonna say I don't know because I don't know if daddy's says something to the players, and if he didn't say anything to the players to remind them of the situation, which is I'm sure what you've done as a coach. Will you remind them of something very specific. That does not happen. All the time. You remind him. So it's fresh in their heads in the moment. So if he did not do that it was bad coaching in. He did is squarely on the players. So not knowing if he did that or not it's on both players have to know. I'm sure at some point in time. The coaching staff is told the players. I mean, those guys were probably sit in meetings eight and Chick-fil-A dozing off or doing something like that. And they got into guys remember or not remember, but either way was the bad situation. And I agree with you. I could put that on coaching anarchy put that on the players, but that's the type of mistake. That begins the very good team next should be that was a weird momentum shift in the game but kudos to the offense for coming. Right back on the neck. Series and getting touchdown in choking off any momentum that Cleveland this offense is done them more than once this year. And that's something we they weren't doing early on. And we said visit this team. And this was before the season even started we said this this defense can keep teams right around the twenty point Mark. It's on the offense to go out there and do what they should do. Now when we said that we assume that lady on Bella be part of the equation. He's not James Connor burst onto the scene. We all know how that played out. But ultimately, I feel like the offense has done a tremendous job. At least in the last three weeks of responding. The defense has mistake. The special teams is plays killing whatever the case may be the respond. Well, I think that's a sign of a really good team. I am anxious to hear what my Tomlin has to say about the free kick. I'm not sure if he address it in his post-game comments. He's probably talking as we're talking. So I'll have to check that after the show. Sure that if he doesn't answer it he'll be asked on Tuesday as weekly press conference. But yeah, it was bad. But I also like you said the great job by the by the offense following up with a nice drive. How about that? Ten play. All rushing play drive that results in a touchdown. It almost looked like the Browns did not want attack anymore. I think you saw a bunch of white flags going up on the defensive side of the ball. And the Browns. They wanna know part of James Connor that is is that not the ultimate deflator. Is that not the alternate? Jab stabbed final night mail mccown from whatever you wanna call it. When you have that done to your defense. That's bad. That's that is horrible. I mean, if you've ever played sports. You always wanna win. I mean, for sure I mean, I noticed the participation generation you definitely want to win. But the thing that makes winning even more sweet is when you see your opponent tap out. They did the Conor McGregor in tapped out in the Steelers work could lead in were choking Connor out in shope out the Cleveland Browns. And I was glad that they did it because the drive previous to that was really bad. And they absolutely pounded Cleveland in choke Cleveland out and made them tap. That was a rear naked. Or I don't know if it was an ankle lock. I don't know if you guys are intimate fans, but whatever submission whole you like personally like the figure for. Whoo. Whoo. They put them in a figure for choke them out Cobra, clutch, whatever they put two Pao driver. You know, the American dream dusty Rhodes, Larry at the biotic, elbow, whatever you wanna call it. That's what they did to Cleveland drive, and it's beautiful to do to the Browns and do that to the divisional opponent. I've always preferred the cross face chicken wing myself. Yeah. You haven't heard that Bob backwards signal. Couple guys is a couple guys across face shake going. And it was actually the the iron Sheik did a version of the cross as chicken wing. I'm trying if we have any wrestling fans out there. What was Bob backlands? I think Bob backlands signature submission move. Was the chicken wing? What about Bruno San Martino? Pertain definitely put the San Martino on the Browns big up the Brunell Sam Arteta famous wrestler from Pittsburgh. I don't know Bruno's still alive or Bruno was one of my favorite. He was suplex guys on their head in the Brown's got suplex on that drive. And they're looking they're wounds oughta white backup to to to Cleveland, and I wouldn't be surprised we see a coaching change in Cleveland this week. Yes. In Susan's talking Brown than Steelers talking AFC north football. Let's recap. On the other teams in the division. Clearly Pittsburgh Steelers win they advanced four two and one they have rebounded and they go to the month of October undefeated. So in terms of getting these temper stench off them they did just that by winning all three of their games in October. And now there's pages foot to November starting next week when they go to Baltimore. But speaking of Baltimore they lost the Carolina today, which news their record to four. And I'm sorry. What is their record foreign for? Now. I believe so Warren four now the Cleveland Cincinnati Bengals did blow a thirty four point lead. I think it won't point of his thirty four they the buccaneers benched. Jameis Winston they bring in fits magic. He does fits magic things. They go back Senate overtime, but the Bengals do win in overtime thirty seven to thirty four. So the standings heading into week nine. The Steelers still earn first place for two in one Cincinnati Bengals are in second at five and three. Three the Cleveland Browns. Baltimore Ravens or four and four and in the Cleveland Browns at two five and one remove go back to their place in the cellar the where they belong. So before I asked Lance what he thinks about the rest of the division. This is the time. We're watching live on YouTube. Go ahead and fire off your questions in the comments section. We will do them rapid fire at the end of the show, Lance. What are your thoughts on the play around the AFC north? I think it started out with the AFC north is average division. None of the teams in my opinion. The Steelers are. Elite teams I think the Steelers are the closest of being an elite team, I think the ravens have an elite defense. But I think it's I mean, there are three legged table they have no foundation on offense. So you know, it's give or take what you get on their office. Joe? Flacco is terrible on the road. The Browns are bad. I think they're becoming the Browns. Again, Cincinnati's in emotional football team that makes mistakes who the Steelers are in their head. I think the game next week against the Baltimore Ravens is a very critical one in wins. The Steelers can put a stranglehold on the division. So I just think it's an average division. I think the AFC west is a better division with the charges into chiefs. And I think the Steelers can just put their stamp on this next week with a victory on the road in Baltimore. It's not going to be now can be easy at all. The ravens were embarrassed today by Carolina that defense was shredded by Cam Newton and and company, and so it's going to be interesting to see how these teams kind of. Combat their particular wins and losses heading into week. Now, we're gonna talk more about that at lot this week. So we're not gonna get too much into looking heads. Let's get to some of our questions. We're gonna do these rapid fire, Lance. Are you ready? I am absolutely ready to go. All right. Jeremy what do you think about our secondary? As of now, it should be noted Cody sense about played the entire game. Ardy burns was benched sensible left with a foot injury and Cameron Sutton came in over Artie burns to finish the game. Just want to preface that what are your thoughts on the secondary? I think the sense excuse me, the secondary still a work in progress. I don't know how much you can take from the Browns game. But anytime the secondary plays. Well, I think it's plus I think the one thing you come out with looking at the Steelers secondary's they have two very good pieces and hating and Mike Mike marketing might be the blessed best slot corner in the National Football League. And Joe Hayden is planning outstanding football. So they could get balanced play from other members of their secondary to good thing after another thing to look. Out with the secondaries the net seem to come out of the game with no injuries. Which is a good thing. And. Yeah. So Morgan brunettes gonna help out in the future. I'm sure his role expand as he proves he's healthy Joe Haden looks healthy. I don't really think he was healthy last time. They played the ravens that was when Shawn Brown went off. It will be interesting match ups next week next question. I read what are your thoughts on Justin hunter getting a helmet over James, Washington, Washington. I gotta say I was shocked coming off the bye week. You're thinking the rookies going to get a chance to excel. Instead, he is healthy inactive or healthy, scratches. They say in hockey, what are your thoughts on that news? Speaking of scratch, that's a head scratcher Justin hunter has no speech or as a Pittsburgh Steeler played a rookie. I I don't get it it. I I don't know what his preparation looked like during the week. And that's something that we don't have any access to. But there's no future in just in hunters third wide receiver for the Pittsburgh Steelers. I would think that you give the rooks and snap. So it's a little bit of concern there. Okay. Yeah. I agree. It's really tough to. To know. Like, you said we're not at practice. But it it's just crazy. How a guy gets it home at all this time. And then it seemed like what they wanted to stretch the field Justin hundred. That's what Washington does best. So we'll see maybe maybe David just wanted to give one hundred chance. See if he can kinda crane it I'm not can't say that he did necessarily. So we'll see. Okay. Now. The next one is what are the penalty totals? We did not talk about penalties. Other. We should have combined in the game or fifteen total penalties accepted. The Steelers at eight for sixty yards around had seven for fifty two Lance. Did you think the penalties were a little ridiculous? I thought there were several that were or did you think it was pretty straight up? Hell it felt like everybody was coming off a bye week fficials the Steelers specialties everybody because the ficials look out of sync as well thought. Someone early stuff was ridiculous. But I think the Steelers overall played a fairly clean game after the second quarter. I agree with that. Here's a question from Nicklaus hash should Morgan Burnett. If healthy start to take some time away from Terrell Edmonds. No, I think you continue to let Terrell Aetna's play. I don't think his play has been as bad too so bad that we can take him off the field. I think you continue to let him play and let him grow into the role because you do have you have a safety plan, you know, the backup plan with Morgan Burnett. So I think you can sing you to let the roof continue to play. I think he'd let Burnett continue to get healthy routed to shape and the more the rookie gets more acclimated. You have to solid players that you can go particularly play dollar defense. Seventy so continue to let Edmonds play. Okay. Can't say we'll see how do you fix this dealers? First quarter struggles, this is from Nathan. Has a difficult one. I think what could fix it offense. Is they run the ball better coming out of the tunnel. I think that they could establish the run against teams immediately. I think that will clean up a lot of things. I don't clean up time of possession. And as well, I think it can get them in a rhythm. If they don't have to come out and make plays immediately in the passing game. So I think run the football better to start the game. I think that helps clean up both sides of the ball that you get off. The better starts run the ball. I agree with don't throw the football laterally to three times your first possession these stupid wide receiver screens can work when they're set up. I don't like starting the game off with them. I think that's bad scripting, hopefully, Iranian Ben Rothlisberger. Learn from this and it improves down the stretch k. Nicklaus asked you like the rotation at the cornerback position today. I'm not sure there was a rotation. I think it was Katie Sensabaugh, and then Cameron Sutton came like I mentioned, but Artie burns didn't play. And then another question Isaac is do you think this is kind of a wakeup call for Artie burns. And do you think they'll get him a shot next next week to kind of prove it, or do you think this is just where he's going to be for the rest of the year in parring, barring injury was should it be a wakeup call. If you're the third guy up. I mean, if it's not a wakeup call that you're not supposed to be on a roster. And I I'm with you, Jeff, I don't think it's a rotation. I think since the boss starter particularly camp Sutton came in after him. I think burns out of the rotation. And I don't see him getting it back anytime soon unless he has tremendous weeks of preparation, I think right now, unfortunately, it's Cody Sensabaugh specific to lose which to me is just really problematic going spas. Not a solid player. Again. I've said. Numerous times at nauseam on this podcast that Artie burns is the key to this defense taking the next step if he can play like a first rounder, and that might not be in the cards for him as a Steeler, if he can't for somehow, I think this deepens takes the next level. Cody Sensabaugh is not the guy. He is a stopgap player that you don't want playing a tremendous amount of snaps. I agree. If Cody started yet issues period. Simple. Okay. So next question is from snowman I'm going to kind of rephrase this for him. His question was what are your thoughts on James Connor so far this year lands? I want you to think of an adjective to describe James Connor throughout two thousand eighteen Bank of a descriptive word to describe James, Connor. Well, I'm not gonna use an adjective, I'm just going to use a now, he's the Terminator. He is terminating lady on bills value. He is terminating. He is the Terminator look right back have a short life in the National Football League. Thirty is then dose alive. Lady on is getting older. Yes, he's not taking hits. But he's getting older, and what is just showing with James Connors production is maybe it was the offense of line. Maybe that and it's also showing that you can get good production out of running backs. If you have a good offense of live in these guys don't have to be first round draft picks. Again, why do you have to you don't have to have Todd Gurley to get production? You can have a James Connor. He is the Terminator he is terminating lady on sales Bank account every time he goes out and plays. Good football. Okay. Is it really good questionnaire? It's kind of strange, but it's I think it's a privilege. The question is from Claude. He's how do you think lady on bell really feels about James Connor? He's pissed. He's. It's one of those weird things like to see your friend do well. But you know, if he keeps shining, you know, it's going to cut into your shine. I mean, unless they're really tight he's tight about it. He's gotta be this as a competitor. He wants he wants what he does to help the team the most right? I mean, that's the selfish aspect of being a part of a team. You wanna team emiss-? You will you're not there you want to win. But you wanna win with you making contributions? I mean, that's just how it is. I'm sure he's happy with what James is doing excuse me their terminal is doing aka no longer, James. He's only John, but he's tight. He's absolutely tight. He's pissed off. 'cause magin this listeners you're sitting home on the couch grant, he's gas of you know, some grits and gravy, and he's not eating healthy, sweat and grading on a jetski. And you're just watching. Your Bank account get smaller because you gave up about eight hundred fifty K and you're watching your replacement gopher two hundred yards. Plus on the line from scrimmage Aries, also your money. So you lose them more than eight hundred fifty grand every week. He's tight he's pissed off. He's writing raps in the studio. He's about the dish James Connor and a dish. Tracked is about to be a district. Look forward on debt hip dot com is coming up pretty soon led the failed this and James Caan yet. It's one of those situations where I feel like between radio bell and his agent. Nothing has gone, right? Nothing has gone the way that they plan. I'm sure his agency. You know, what let them play James Connor. They're going to struggle, and they're going to get into once you back. Maybe they'll give you more money just to get you back on the field and lady on. All right. All right. All right. Let's do that. Let's do that. You know, all these other guys are signed deals girly signing his deal. Everyone's getting money. I'm gonna get my money. So they wait James Connor goes off and week one that they hit a lull. Okay. Things are good were fine while now shoot and contrary to report that I said, I I miss read it last week the reason one of the reasons why bells reportedly his not shown up is. Because the Steeler said when they use their two week roster exemption, we're not paying for you or not paying you eight hundred fifty five thousand dollars as we get our two week roster exemption to get down to fifty three. And so that's why he's not showing up, and that's why a lot of people think he won't show up. So it's gonna be really interesting to see what happens. I think a lot of questions here are now that this game's over with now that we kinda see where the Steelers are coming off the bye. Do you think they still make a trade and at the deadline, and if so was you over over by guess as this not the right word, would you pay a high price for a cornerback? We know Patrick Peterson's off the market. But would you just go with what you have? And hope that the pass rush covers up the secondary. Or are you just going to say, hey, we need to find something for the athletes? I don't think they're going to do which trait. I would I would try to figure out I try to find a corner to just have a 'nother corner in the mix sympathize not gonna hold up the other thing. I would look for like you said, and we send preview shows and outside linebacker, what has to be light round pick. I mean, I just point. I don't know if I'm giving up more than a fifth for anybody. I just don't think there's anybody probably on the market that Dorrance anything more than that. I mean, I'm not super versed on the waiver wire or just what guys wanna get out. But you know, they're not gonna make the trade. They're going to stand Pat. I think they like how d. Defenses playing right now. And I think they have a formula for how they wanna do it. And how it particularly how they're playing offense and how that supports their defense. So I don't think they're gonna make a trade anytime. So I agree. I don't think they're making a trade at all. I think they're just gonna stand Pat and go with what they have. And it's just the way to the Steelers do business people were talking about, you know, generous Jenkins, and we talked about that last week. I just don't think that's going to happen. So there you have it, folks. The Steelers win thirty three to eighteen at eighteen isn't even really still accurate. I guess you could say considering they had a garbage time. Touchdown. But next week is a huge game coming up against the Baltimore Ravens, Lance any last thoughts before we kind of call show. No, we were going to go into our true or false last week. But we'll save that. But listeners I think in the next wrap up show, we're going to do a better job of keeping track of the children falls. And just see who's doing better when it comes to the to fall. We should have some sort of contest, Jeff, you know, like if I win listeners particular who picks me to win through a false get something if you win a particular get something, we should do a contest on the true in falses. If they're smart, though is pick me, and I liked it. As Isaac brings this up. And I didn't say anything, but he brought it up in the live chat. He why in the world. Would we trust you when you're not even wearing the mask? Where's the bath? He keeps an asking mass question question. Mark exclamation point. Where's the mass? It's great. I I sorry. I will come back with the mas- due to scheduling stuff that I have after this. I'll make an excuse. But I I am going to come back with the mask sack for Wednesday show to make up for the lack of the mask. I will put the mask on for Wednesday show. There you go, folks. So the Steelers win to big win makes you check it. I say at every single show case someone that's the first time listener if you're listening on podcast. He did know we have you to go to YouTube search BTS's radio. Subscribe like our video. We appreciate that. Also, if you're on YouTube, you did no we have other podcasts at aren't on the channel Goto ITN's. Google play stitch are nineteen Spotify type in behind the curtain or Steelers. You'll find us subscribes. You get all that content. Loose and regularly. Makes you check out the hangover tomorrow night that's Monday, and then lands, and I will be back on Wednesday for another episode of the standard is the standard. 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Beyond the Show 002 SEC, Big 12, Ohio State, Recruiting
"It is friday july twelfth for patriots subscribers and for the rest of listeners it is saturday july thirteenth we thank you for joining us to on menace society beyond the show this is our second installment of our question and answer offshoot show and we are coming to you live from hangover easy z. down on campus in columbus one make this more casual show leave the studio get out and about really gonna record random places so just wanted to thank you for joining us really want to thank our subscribers our subscription base i guess is growing and we are fired up about it want to keep this show real simple real casual joie so we're going to dive right into some questions and answers like i've mentioned on the first installment we're always going to answer the patriots subscribers questions i because they support us we i want to support them and give them the answers to the questions that they have so if you wanna get your question answered i'm sorry we have to over two hundred 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john hennessy and billy gonzalez coaches and recruiters do you see dan mullen and winning a championship at florida yeah so i worked with john hennessy and billy gonzalez i think they're both really good coaches obviously you don't get to that level and stay at that level so as long as they have unless you're really really good at your job so i think they're both good coaches billy gonzales has always been a great recruiter recruited likes percy harbin on down the list that's obviously his biggest get as a coach i think john hennessy is is as most line coaches are there better coaches then recruiters i think he's good recruiter i don't think he's a deficient recruiter or liability in recruiting but i don't think he's gonna go sign you five five stars or he's not gonna be ridiculous it recruiting but that's not his role so i think they're both very valuable to the floor to staff and i think they're both you should be happy gator nation it to have them do i think demoines gonna win a championship at florida the way they're recruiting right now i don't see it happening i don't put him in the likes of nick nick sabin and kirby smart i don't see him beating both of them in the same year i mean he's going to have to get through georgia to get to atlanta and he's going to have to get through sabin even to leave atlanta and so a championship at florida i don't see it i would love if they would i love florida obviously i'm a i'm an alumni so i i wish they would i hope they do but i don't see that happening but i think they have a decent staff and i think dan's a good coach so time will tell he's definitely going to have the offense cooking and that's that's something that gainesville has been dying forces urban left so that should be interesting to to watch and see yeah florida's been kind of hard to watch ever since urban left i've watched a couple of games and they really just didn't impress except for defense on defense they were phenomenal but we mentioned before i just think the offensive coordinators offense staffs that have rolled through gainesville urban left have been i mean wildly disappointing and really they were disappointing hires most the time it just didn't fit didn't make sense and so i know gator donations just humming starving for success so hopefully they get that they will get a better offense that's that's the good news so they should see some touchdowns here here moving forward all all right let's move on to our next question comes from adam ferguson i felt like our players have the talent to win every game and i also felt like they were frustrated with their coaches and or schemes teams i was at the purdue game and sat directly behind our bench our boys looked angry and frustrated beyond belief am i wrong your thoughts or opinions please yeah so i i definitely at some point before we kick off the preseason in this season i'm going to break down certainly the iowa game because i was a part of it in and now also analyze the iowa the purdue game from last year but i'll tell you defensively there was a lot of mallow alignment there was there was a lot love confusion and frustration on defense and on offense to an extent in both games and that's what happens you the players get frustrated 'cause players just wanna play players players want to have a clear directive and want to be able to play at optimal speed and that's only happens when there is no confusion and there is no questions on on what happened what should have happened what they're supposed to do and that's definitely was an issue specifically defensively that's why i think you saw a huge transition on the defensive staff was because they weren't right and it happens time to time you see it all across college football and it's it's not a complete indictment on one coach or two who coaches it's just a poor culture and poor chemistry on that side of the ball and i mentioned before it happened to us on offense in two thousand fifteen fifteen and sixteen obviously happened the defense seventeen and eighteen so it's it's definitely frustrating for fans it was frustrating for players and i'll i'll dive into what happened but ultimately that the the why is the the mallow alignment misalignment edmund of the defense of staff last year certainly and then the really the iowa game the year before it was deeper than that but we'll dive into that here in in a future episode but but that's that's my thoughts on it just in a general sense okay well our next question comes from nicholas nicholas i want to know what do you think about the big ten play nine conference games while the SEC plays eight and they also schedule a cupcake before their rivalry considering the last two years years ohio state lost to teams like iowa purdue while the SEC plays austin p. and the citadel yeah so i mean i've thought about at this a lot when when we got the question i it's it's tough because you you'd love to have that one extra win and and you'd like to place it in the right spot i know you'll have estate place penn state before they play michigan this year and that's that's that's too heavyweight bouts back to back in a kind of goes into what happened in iowa you go to an overtime thriller at night night against penn state that next week there's probably going to be a drop off a let down a little bit and so i i don't think it's a level playing field i think that especially because year to year the conferences are so different and everyone likes to profess that the s. e. c.'s the best in the country and they were last year and they were you know a couple years ago i e every year it's different it's very fluid i think the big ten sometimes the strongest conference there's a couple that just flat aren't ever but i think it's definitely inconsistent inconsistent i think the SEC playing eight games and then playing a cupcake before you know florida place florida state is tough for other conferences is definitely clean the most ideal way to schedule for those teams and i think the big tension look at doing it because ultimately who cares so you don't play one more crossover game you get you to schedule lesser opponents some young players get some some playing time your your studs per se your starters are going to get some rest and you're going to be more healthy to go into that big game and the only thing about that is in the SEC those all those teams do it so it's a level playing field for those teams in that conference differences is not level when you start comparing schedules and you look at teams that play penn state and then lose to michigan or lose the penn state have the bounce back somehow beat michigan you know it's it's just inconsistent nationally nationally but within the conference i think it's very fair but it's definitely an issue yeah why when you're talking about only four teams get into a playoff and you're comparing schedules and the big ten ted and i think it's the ACC also plays only eight games i think the NCAA if you're going to do a playoff system needs to just have a flat you're playing non conference games or your play an eight and kind of mandate that because it's not really fair the big ten is a much stronger conference prince top to bottom than say playing the citadel or something like that so of course iowa purdue like we've seen but let's move on to our next one from jerry maybe maybe i missed it but in future podcasts i would like you to discuss drake the snakes role in urban decision to retire in other words what did urban say i don't need this this shit so obviously that happened after i was gone i have not had communication with urban i would be inclined to say it had a major major role i think the mishandling mismanagement by michael drake played a huge huge role in urban decision to retire i think he was getting close post to wanting to walk away and just kind of do what he wanted to be with family i don't think he was ready to do it and i think he kind of looked at the situation differently the after that and said you know what i might add to three more years emmy but i don't wanna do this anymore i don't want to work in a in a culture in an environment where this human being is presiding over me and my program and impacting my legacy my future so i definitely think that he's the reason it happened when it it happened i don't think you're gonna get ten more years at urban in columbus anyways but i think you're gonna get two or three more i think another thing that played a role in it was the fact that that urban felt like like in his big thing is leaving a program right when he leaves a program he he did it at florida he wanted handed the keys steve adagio because he wanted to program to to thrive in boy late at florida fans you wish he would have because the debacles that happened after he left the second time are have proved to be very negative for for gators gator country but i think i think that was the other reason he's he had ryan day on-staff ryan started getting some big offers offer to be the head coach at mississippi state office office coordinator at tennessee titans he was getting some big offers an urban knew that if he stayed for another two three years ryan probably be head coach somewhere where he might not leave real house date and so i i think he he had his successor in place he knew gene was on board with the succession plan and so i think not dealing with with president drake played a major role but also having having ryen day right there ready to roll played a major role in so far i would say those are right move for the for the future of the program because his loyalty was to live state huge he was a huge fan i love the place really wanted to leave better than when he got it that was his whole mantra of taking a job so i think that that played a huge role in it but i don't think it was the absolute loot finite one reason i always wondered if if he would've lost that michigan game at the end of the year would he still retired i think so you think so i think so i mean i winning it definitely definitely let him ride into the sunset so i don't know but yeah absolutely seven knows a big deal but okay our next one comes from a guy named lawrence he said i'd love to hear your input as to what happened during the game versus michigan state in twenty thirteen and why did the buckeyes lose yes so we that was really a learning earning point learning game for for us as a staff and we really were i don't want to say we were faking in our success because we were really good twenty four no you can't fake that but we met michigan state and their defense was salty i mean they had to i i think first or second round corners their secondary was phenomenal and they did it they did enough on offense to to move the ball and score points and they thought that was i think the epitome of michigan state was twenty thirteen scene they also we had a much better plan you see you watch the twenty fourteen michigan state game that entire game was a direct result of lessons learned in two thousand thirteen as the coaching staff as players you know we we also didn't make a couple of plays that we needed to make to win the game and you play a big time game you're going to five plays on offense that you have to make you gotta make four or five five and if you make one of the five you're gonna lose and that's what happened in two thousand fourteen or two thousand thirteen and a two thousand fourteen you rewind it and those five seven plays we may six or seven and so that's why all of a sudden it seemed like a huge you know landslide victory it's it's it comes down those handful of plays and we made them in fourteen didn't make them in thirteen not that that was the moral of the story okay john hilton s. y. is jim harbaugh such a weirdo i constantly read the weird shitty dozen dozen recruiting and with his team also he wants to know do you think the big ten should be restructured it is consistently ohio state penn state or michigan state versus wisconsin in indianapolis yeah i don't know why gyms a weirdo he is a weird dude though man i mean he's he's a good football coach obviously the success he's had at multiple stops but he's weird man he's a weird duck guys that worked for him talk about how weird is interacting with him is awkward and even recruits say it's weird like they leave there and it's like you guys a little strange recruits moms that's the one recruits moms walk under like whoo that dude is strange i don't know why i years i guess it's just a genetic makeup i don't know he's like a walking meam to yeah he really ill areas and it's bizarre because if you listen to john harbaugh he seems like the most normal dude alive it but it's the difference in brothers i as far as the big ten restructuring i think you know on paper if you look at the history of programs it was relatively collectively evenly divided obviously regionally divided to an extent also but i think the resurgence of nebraska should help the the the opposite side i guess the west right it should help the west strengthen with wisconsin iowa nebraska you're going to have some stronger teams in that western conference of the big ten and i think really ohio state penn state michigan state and then you gotta throw michigan in right that's that's ah he said in indianapolis though we know that michigan's never been there yeah this this might be the year though if they had a year this is the year so i think penn state's gonna be down this year a little bit i think and i think nebraska will be up so i think it's definitely uneven but i think it's going to be more even this year than it has been i don't i i don't think the big ten is gonna restructure restructure again after the bockel that was the leaders in legends division might god what a marketing mistake that was i think they're they're going to ride this out for a little while and you hope that maybe a maryland can can build build up their program with mike loxley to to strengthen the conference pitches a whole but well we'll see i i don't see them restructuring though no okay jeremy bolton wants to know are there any troost truth to the rumors that joey bosa parents parents moved him out of the room with zeke because he liked to party too much first of all let me explain how those things work those are decisions made by position coaches with the head coach and the whole staff not always privy to it so i don't remember that happening i know they did room together as freshman and then they ended it up not living together i don't know that it was because one or the other party too much but i mean i think you look at the kind of zeke's track record he definitely likes to enjoy himself and joey yeah we did too so and i don't think it was anything destructive back then certainly so i think it might have just been a mutual decision that they needed to remain best friends but but not live together that happens at times you know you're you're you're you're getting a great relationship with a great girl and you realize you know what we're better as good friends we're not this this whole relationship deals not working well you know what they say you never really know somebody 'til you live with them that's for sure so maybe maybe jelly just decided i like him better better when i don't live with him i do know this whatever decisions were made it worked y ever y ever they decided not to live together it was a good decision all right at our next question comes from jack he says longhorn jack here guys i was just curious how y'all gonna do game day something i need to pay for what also are y'all gonna do any podcast with video like the joe rogan show or something like that were appreciated longhorn jack yeah we're gonna we're we're definitely going to launch video content the plan was to make sure the video content was ready to roll come preseason and that'd be august at some point and we're on track to do that at the very least it might the earlier than that we like i mentioned before we were moving into a new studio so that's going to help with that and we're gonna do game day we're still working out the details were definitely going to do to a pre game i guess preview show we're going to do a post game analysis show might do a live show at some point so we're going to hopefully by season we'll have the support fort advertisers sponsors the patriot memberships up to a level where we can financially support the show to do all those things so that's our goal so if you want to support that want that interested in net support i support us on patriotic if you're interested in sponsorship and advertising reach out because we're we're planning on launching that in august and yeah longhorn jack that's the play on my man absolutely so this is the real big neak mancino niki who was the best player you ever coached against oh boy that is a question right there that could be a long list of guys oh got well i will preface this and say i am going to leave someone off so don't get upset that in recent memory saquon barkley gotta be i mean top five four sure he was one of the best players i've seen in person him him he's in the likes of ezekiel elliott percy horvin he was phenomenal and he even when we beat penn state he had his he he still had his way with things you know and so he's definitely up there another one i'll tell you one of the most impactful players was patrick peterson from LSU he was he he took a whole whole whole also half the field away our whole game plan we played against patrick peterson was to we start with all of our receivers on one side of the field with aaron hernandez attached on the other side and and then right before the snap aaron would flex out and if patrick peterson was over there we would completely not look that way we would work the other side of the field and if patrick peterson went over to the field with the receivers we'd work hernandez on whoever the poor the poor bum they left over there so he was a guy that probably we game plan for more than anyone he was phenomenal homonal big long corner that was just still dominant in the NFL and then another one who baker mayfield for sure obviously he didn't play great against us in twenty twenty sixteen twenty seven he was i mean he was dominant and he used your you watch did he won the heisman he did it in cleveland he's going to do it again in cleveland to a to a greater extent he was phenomenal while he's got to be in the top five also and then i two defensive linemen that we want against that were different just different one was gerald mccoy coy from oklahoma he was probably him the other one is glenn dorsey from LSU those two were the most dominant interior d. lineman i've ever seen in we saw saw a litany of top five picks on the interior design and defensive ends in the whole the whole gamut but those two were just absolutely flat out dominant imminent and we never went against donald sue but i think those are like three of a kind when it comes into your d. lineman journal mccoy even talking to gratiot when he had him at tampa even said huge just he did the same thing the NFL yeah that was a huge i really wanted the browns to get him this off season he ended up going to the panthers but he just seems like i i watched hard knox with tampa bay when they are on it and he can tell he's just a locker room guy people and he's just a hard worker and just obviously an excellent player yeah he from ah i don't know i've never met him but talking about him him and i've had several conversations he said he was he was that guy you wanted he was a coach's player the guy that did what you asked and definitely leader and and his talent was superb all right so we'll move on to the next one here sonny rollins wants to know how can you rank are bought number for ten not taking into account his past successes he says two super bowls and then turn around and take that into account for other coaches like jeff scott impact yeah so i again that that list was my list just my personal opinion based on insider accounts in knowledge but i will tell you this winning in the NFL doesn't equate to success in college and it shows he's a great coach but he wouldn't be the head coach at michigan if he wasn't a great coach so i th- in my opinion being really tough to beat at northwestern is a far better accomplishment and testament to coaching ability than being average at a place he's like ohio state or michigan it just is you might be the better team you might beat northwestern every time but ultimately you look at the place what what you have like what what is your your your portrait what is what is your medium you are at michigan you should be a top five team you should at least play for title once he's done none of those so i know he was successful at stanford with andrew luck i know i i know he went to the super bowl and lost at the forty niners i know that as an assistant coach he went to a super bowl and got destroyed i don't know why that would make him a better coach than someone else the head coach at michigan make him nameless the head coach at michigan right now is not as good coach as the head coach at nebraska he's not no absolutely and he's obviously not as good as head coach at northwestern either because northwestern at least went to the title game last year and has you you know there there tough you had pat fitzgerald's one of the best coaches in the country people lose sight of the fact did he he's not at alabama you put pat fitzgerald alabama they are going to it'd be ridiculous as you're talking about the value of a head coach you gotta take into account where they are you have to okay next question comes from adam but not can you please give your insight on the selection process for actually taking commitments is it first-come-first-served system or is it more of a team like ohio state selecting players as opposed is to recruit selecting them yes recruiting is a very fickle game it's very different and that's why people all the time ask about what what is it what is the difference being commendable offer and a noncommittal offer i don't know where we went a society but an offer means you offer someone something that they have the right to take that offer and the problem with college football now is you have to offer a kid that has offers or else he won't communicate with you so these coaches will offer a kid just to remain in touch with them and just to remain in communication with them and it is it a commendable offer no because it's not a real offered they're not really offering him a scholarship they're just telling him he has one so they can recruit them and find out if they want him and on the flip side of that you could be full and you never turn down a great one ever if if all the sudden julian fleming says i'm going to be a buckeye fuller receiver guess what you take julian fleming you do you find a way to make it work work but ultimately the selection process it's it goes both ways and when you need three receivers and have none committed boy you're fighting to get one when you need three receivers and you have to committed in in three that leaning towards your school yeah you're selecting one at that point that's where the recruit loses all bargaining power that's when you can put pressure on recruit and say and and it's it's his decision it's his life but you could tell them be honest listen we got one spot left these other two kids probably gonna commit if you want the spot we need did you take it otherwise you're gonna be left out it's it's i mean it's a simple game right but the numbers game you only got so many and people like get all bent out of shape shape and butthurt when oh the coaches pulled the scholarship when he tried to commit it's like no he waited too long to commit that's what i was just going to bring up there's this big thing in sports media where people are saying well it's not fair that you can offer scholarship and then take it away when when it's time to commit what are you talking about it's like i'm selling my truck i'm selling it it's it's let's say it's forty grand that's that's what my truck costs oh you're interested okay perfect all right it's for sale if two weeks later some other guy rolls up with forty k. and hands it to me you take my truck you can't be pissed at me because he bought my truck you could've taken the truck to offer was there taped by my truck you wanna by truck by it yeah i think the the biggest thing about that is as long as the coaches are being transparent with the recruits about the status of their recruitment saying you know hey i got three guys that are going to commit and i only got three spots so you you inter- out but if they're lying to the kid that's what i think it becomes a problem now we're softest shit is society though you know what that's life you got offered a scholarship l. ship you want it take it don't be pissed when it's not available anymore that's that's that's called lifetime to grow up all right i love it next question comes from adeane what's your opinion of coach grinch i'm really nervous about our defense i take it adeane is a oklahoma fan i there's a lot of received a lot out of questions about coach grinch and what he's going to do at oklahoma because of the debacle and just messed that the defense was last year all i can tell you is it's very different when a guys running the show versus when he's on staff and on goes both ways right you can be just an absolute dominant defense and all all of a sudden the co coordinator assistant coordinator takes a coordinator job somewhere else and they're terrible just because they were dominant defense doesn't mean he's going to be a great coordinator and the flip side works with with with coach grinch just because he was the coordinator assistant coordinator and they were terrible on defense don't think that's the product you're getting it oklahoma i would challenge oklahoma fans look at what he did at washington washington state that was ridiculous especially working for mike leach in that offense system he had that defense i mean cooking he's one of the hottest he was one of the hottest names is in the coaching industry i mean he had big time offers from alabama and ohio state to pick from and he picked ohio state because he's from columbus i mean he's oklahoma got a star dr a stud and you can't take last year's defense and put that on him and say oh god we got this guy with it's terrible what what he he was phenomenal as a defensive coordinator washington state was one of the hottest names and coaching and you'll be ridiculous at oklahoma so we happy thank thank the the bob stoops gods or whatever you pray to out there yeah i mean if you look at the coaches that were on the staff last year that didn't do very didn't have a good defense i mean in jail greg is a great coach i don't care that his defense is bad last year same thing with grinch okay our next question comes from kevin joyner there was always a rumor sure that urban step down at florida do an affair with a co ed is there any truth to this rumor also what happened with the two thousand eight florida team they should've been back to back champions do you think turning the offense over to adagio cost us the SEC championship and basically the national title yes so first of all i for some reason i've been asked that question so many times in my career about urban with some co ed and i don't think there could be anything further from the truth and that's not not even meet like defending the guy like if he did i tell you did or if i knew that he did or heard that he did buy from someone that actually would have a clue i would tell you but i mean that's that's absurd served if there's one thing that man is loyal to his wife that's for sure i don't know why that started i don't know i guess people just got mad when he left and so they started rumors i don't know but i guess that's how rumors work i should know better than anyone but yeah two thousand eight was disappointing i put it on the same level a ah two thousand fifteen and i guess it would be the two thousand nine season really is what they're talking about we want it all know eight so two thousand nine and twenty two thousand fifteen were very similar you had basically an entire team coming back now we you lost percy arvin that that was a huge loss that's in my opinion the best player to play college football him him and reggie bush or at least in the recent in the most recent twenty years you go back into some bo jackson's and people like that you could argue but i think reggie bush i see where the best players in the last two decades and you lost one and that's going to have a major impact it also the i think the offensive staff change change i don't think i think a doc- was is a great coach was the is the best old line coach in the country and i i don't think that it's his fault fault i think we lost some personnel and ultimately we we we went thirteen one and got beat by alabama nick sabin that was i mean you're going to go into the SEC title game against saving alabama two years in a row and you you go fifty fifty that's what you do i mean you'd like to win them both obviously but it's not like you're going to get citadel l. you're playing against the vaunted crimson tide well yeah i mean if you think about it you go one of those two years if you're a really good team and a really good head coach that's as good as you can do i mean going to and it would be pretty impressive yeah you you go urban versus saving i mean that's that's going to be almost a fifty fifty split you know any any game and that game we was a close game i mean we i remember we went they they brought us zero pressure in the red zone and aaron hernandez runs a corner route wide open and tibo missed him through a pick and it really shut down the comeback and and it's not to blame that player or tibo but you know the games like that like i said before you gotta make you're gonna have a handful of plays you gotta make the majority of those place to win that game we didn't and then we absolutely dismantled an undefeated cincinnati team in in the sugar bowl it was still a great year but yeah i one of the most talented teams not to win a national championship i agree all right sticking with the SEC questions here keith wants to know based on your experience florida and with molin and scott frost who do you think is the better coach and who do you think will be more successful he says i love dan mullen and and i think he's a great fit in gainesville but if the nebraska job wasn't open scott frost could very well have been florida's coach yeah so i don't know scott scott frost personally i mean i've met him i've talked to him once on the recruiting trail when he was at oregon so i don't i to compare the two like i know them both intimately that that wouldn't be fair but my analysis and opinion is i think scott frost is the better coach as a whole better CEO the better head coach as far as offensive coordinator i'd probably give on the edge there but he's not the coordinator he's head coach i think scott frost is a better recruiter has better personality is more personable when it comes to recruits and their families at imagine he does a better job but and then when it comes to coaching the game i think it's it's it's a wash moments phenomenal and scott frost is phenomenal so it's tough to compare because i don't know scott frost as intimately as i did working around dan mullen but i had to give the edge to one i'd say frost i think mullin was a retired florida because he was marginally successful at mississippi state i mean he was successful but he wasn't it's not like he was urban hot coach that was was just just taken teams and make him undefeated well he he was really successful early on and then it really died off down there yeah but anyways i think if florida fan i'm i'm not thrilled but i'm not pissed that we got mullen i mean he's going to be better than what you had but he's i think scott frost is one of the up and coming best best coaches in the country you saw it at UCF you see what he's doing on the recruiting trail and i know they haven't had the success you expect but watch out this year i'm telling you this year they're going to have it and you're going to it's it's going to launch him into a totally different conversation okay jacob gross s every week this keeps getting better and better i'm in coaching i have have a question what's the biggest difference in if any from being gay to being a full time assistant i know the pay is different but to the players treat you different from one role to the other yeah naturally they do i don't think that's any disrespect to how they treat g. as but but no different aren't than an assistant coach if you have a g that's that's excellent and i think ohio state has to right now that are i mean going to be huge successes in coaching and that's keenan bailey who's the wide receiver he's office of g. a. and then corey dennis who's the offensive quality control and i think those guys get those two specifically get treated needed like fulltime coaches because ultimately players are going to treat you how how you deserve to be treated and if you're providing value and they know you can make them better and you have genuine relationship with them they'll treat you with as much much respect as they treat urban meyer and so the biggest biggest difference i think is is the responsibility and with that comes the financial i guess it's benefit but as as an intern equality control a. g. a. you're not directly responsible for the for the well-being player our development the the performance of a group you're a supplemental helper you know you're and impactful keenan bailey's is very impactful folate ohio state and people should know his name corey dennis is very impactful but they're not responsible brian heartline's responsible for the receivers now keenan bailey is going to help him i'm in provides so much i guess impact to helping brian heartland do his job but that would be the biggest difference obviously the pay's night and day i mean you do you have a g. a. is gonna live in an apartment with a roommate and you have a full-time coach it's going to buy a big howson in probably by a lake house so yeah it's very different the pay but it all comes from responsibility and that's that's the pecking order the hierarchy the ladder tell you it's how you do it i mean you guys that are doing a lot of work for minimum money and NFL do a great job they're gonna make it in the game and then they're gonna eventually work their way up to become that guy that owns lake house yeah absolutely so moving shifting gears a little bit here justin sword wants to know the percy harbin position god i hate that it's the h. back right not even a real position ahead out of guys like curtis samuel dante wilson tomorrow mccall paris camel campbell et cetera who was the closest to percy in talent and ability and how hard is it to transform a high school running back into a receiver i'm an event about the percy harvard position and the h back because i hear all the time especially in columbus sports media and it's because a bunch of guys don't know what the hell they're talking about the h back is just position h you could call it in a you some people call it an and the NFL teams called her nathan adjusters slot receiver and whoever is that slot receiver dictates the packages and plays it they're going to get it so when percy harvard was the h curtis samuel was the h you did things with them that you didn't do with k j hill so k. j. hills h. back you ever seen him run counter honor no no pairs campbell was h g ever see motion in the backfield and run power no curtis did percy did so it's the h back position is called a slot receiver and who is your slot receiver that is going to dictate what that slot receiver does so oh sorry i had to get that out because i hear still hear it all the time oh damore mccall going to be the h back the percy carvin cadillac blah no stop it you sound like an idiot it stop it percy but as far as that list of players who was the most like percy curtis samuel by far because curtis samuel was a lot like percy and that he was a a hybrid running back receiver when you guys like jalen marshall and paris campbell they were dynamic with the ball in their hand so we'd get him on jet sweeps and stuff like that maybe speed option pitch but that now you're trying to float on wall space you're trying to do throw bubble screen to him now curtis samuel and percy harvard emotion them in the backfield backfield you'd run counter with them an interior run you'd run power you'd run whatever you and the jet sweeps so i think curtis was the most like percy that we had really in my entire career at florida state he he was the most similar any dynamic also but so i guess that answers the question who is the closest to percy would be occur samuel yeah yeah the the other part i'm interested in those how hard is it to transform a high school running back into a receiver to pick it wisely and it takes time it takes time as i mentioned before going from a horizontal plane to a vertical plane and i don't want to dive back into that but it's difficult and it has to be the right kid has to have the right skill set and you have to have a you have to know what you're doing to do it took par paris a couple years to do it really took curtis curtis started running back for his freshman year so he wasn't even a finished product when he left for the NFL and in braxton wouldn't running back but he was we had him for six months and so that that that transition was just beginning so it's hard it takes time and it takes the knowledge and expertise and experience doing it so i guess if you are a high school running back that it projects that receiver in the in the in college i would take a close look at who is going to coach you and have they done that before because that is critical colty your career because it is hard and you have to know what you're doing to do it and if you go somewhere they don't know what they're doing you're gonna be you're either gonna move running back and be out of position or you're not going to develop it receiver so yeah it's definitely not easy all right so sticking with the kind of the positional questions here joe kingsbury wants to know in your opinion opinion is the game especially for quarterbacks significantly different from friday night to saturday or saturday to sunday's it has to be from college to NFL right i think the biggest jumps high school to college it's definitely a jump from college the NFL also but you're talking about quarterbacks and that's why it's so rare for true freshman into come in and and start as a freshman in college football and when it happens those offenses a lotta times are very very dumbed down and very a minimized compared to what it will be when that same kid is a junior it's just it's just much more complex and and not only is the offensive philosophy and what you have to do at quarterback at the college level and then again at the NFL level so much more complex than the previous tier or level of that you were playing but but what you're seeing is so much more complex and you get away with things in high school that you can't get away with in college and you get away with things in college that you can't get away with in the NFL because in college you you can have a great receiver that get separation you might be late with the throw but you're okay and the NFL those those windows to throw the ball the close so fast and you saw it at ohio state j. not barrett was not a very timely quarterback and when those were when a receiver get open and you're playing a great team with NFL touting the secondary that separation conversation in that everyone wants to have especially back when we struggle throwing the ball separation is momentary you got to get the ball to open receiver or else deceleration is gonna close and so it's very different very different both jumps then you get to the NFL and you're facing a bunch of grown men that are paid to do their job bob and they're very very very very good and it's also more complex game you don't have class you don't have coaches leaving for recruiting you don't have study study table and tutoring and so all you're doing is football so the games more complex at that level so yeah it's huge jump i think high-school college the biggest jump college the NFL's a big jump to though but our our last question comes from adam he says i know coaches are busy enough on a day to day basis that they all denied doing this until their last breath but two coaches ever find themselves selves curious and read fan forums or message boards to see what people are saying either about them or recruiting yeah i mean it depends on the coach i i never went on message boards i didn't have log ins or anything like that so i didn't i don't think mo ninety nine percent of coaches read message boards now social media's different i think everyone in read social media i read everything on social media never i still do never didn't most coaches do i think some of the older coaches don't maybe just because it's not that part of their culture sure or way of life rely on twitter to get news you know rely on instagram for for mind numbing entertainment so anytime you go on those and there's a number over there on notifications you click it and you're going to buzz through it so i think every coach looks read social media for sure to an extent as far as message boards that's it's tough to get into those i mean you gotta have log ins and coaches don't really have those and and then you you're talking about how difficult it is if it's not on their phone and they're actively using the apps or whatever then they're not going to see it just because like you said they're so busy but a lot of times if it's something big enough stink or a big enough deal someone will bring it up to you as as a coach like maybe an intern or jay or mark dantonio recruiting guy the guys that actually do monitor and read the message boards they may bring it up and say hey you got to see what they're saying about ed warriner at michigan michigan or they might bring it up to you and you might look at it and said holy holy shit that's crazy but i don't actively go on it it's like listening to local oh sports radio i mean you you might if you could just turn on the car and listen yeah you listen but i'm not going to actively seek out something that is insignificant to me yeah i'm not getting on my alexa alexa asking it to play my local sports show now definitely not definitely not all right well that's going to wrap up our second 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Frozen Frontiers: The Alien, Iron-Breathing Microbes of Blood Falls
"Striking scenery world-class music and film festivals and authentic. Character are just a few reasons why telluride Colorado is a favorite summer destination. Telluride offers endless outdoor activities catering to all passions and tastes. For more information. Go to visit telluride dot com slash W s j. We've been exploring the solar system for over sixty five years now and since the earliest days of masses formation the question of whether or not we are alone. Whether or not life exists beyond earth has been sort of motivating point four exploration. Our best shot at finding life beyond earth could be on the ice covered moons of our outer solar system planetary. Scientists believe massive oceans could be churning beneath their surfaces to really figure out whether or not the origin of life is easy and whether or not there's a second origin of life in our own backyard. We need to go to worlds where life could be alive today. But to know for sure they need tools that can detect alien life forms and these life forms are likely to be tiny creatures like bacteria, the kind of microbes that are super abundant on the history of life on our planet is microbial. Right. So. They were the first life forms on our planet. Microbes are friends Plymouth. Harry, scientists are searching for clues about how life evolved here on earth. And they're getting help from researchers studying the microbes that inhabit our planet's most extreme and other worldly environments Harbin is the ultimate building block for all of life, as we know it. So we can look on earth at places like in the Arctic and Antarctic, and we can look at what kinds of carbon compounds tell us different things about the biological origin. And then that information services are toolkit for how we would interpret results from a world like Europa, the insights from their experiments will be crucial for devising technologies that can figure out whether or not we're alone in the universe. From the Wall Street Journal. This is the future of everything. I'm Anthony green. For now, and Arctic is the closest we can get to places like Europa or Enceladus, the icy moons that scientists think could host life the next mission to your open will launch sometime in the twenty twenty s two weeks ago. We brought you the first part of our reporting from the frozen continent where robotics are testing machines that could help them explore ocean worlds beyond earth. The Wall Street Journal's Danielle Hernandez spent some time in Antarctica with a team of researchers trying to discover new extreme microbes and the uncharted places where they might be thriving. What are they eating breathe where do they live and how many of them are there? What they unearth could help robotic space explorers to know where and what to look for in their search for life and to achieve their alternate goal to understand the origins of life. Not just on our home planet, but in the universe looking at the you know, where life exists what the edges of life are the extremes that this that limits helps us understand life in general previously, you know, one hundred years ago, we thought that life couldn't exist at extreme. Hot or cold temperatures. Now, we know it can right. So we only learned that by by investigating these extremes. That's Peter Doran. He studies an area of Antarctica known as the dry valleys. It's a rocky Brown terrain dotted with frozen lakes and glaciers we met him at one of the camps there. This is lake frictional camp. I've been coming here about twenty five years something like that. I've lost count. So our walking up here. You can see see these lines on the hill. Right there those are lake levels. So the lake in the valley has been that high in the past it's been almost two hundred meters higher than it is now in the past back fifteen thousand years ago, there was a lot of ice in the basement. It's not here. Now, the dry valleys. Look very much like Mars as we know it. There's no vegetation. There's nothing in the scene. Besides the rocks. It's a very barren landscape. It's not a place that supports higher orders. Lifelike anything bigger than microscopic is interesting when Scott came through he called it the valley of the dead. He's referring to Robert falcon, Scott, he was an early explorer of the continent and the second to reach south pole. I think it's the opposite is not the valley of the dead. It's the valley of the very small. When you come here. And you look at it with modern, tools, it's anything, but that there's things living in the lake that love living in the lake. There's things in the soil. There's things living in the rocks. One of those modern tools is called SkyTeam. It's a giant sensor that hangs from a helicopter through a bunch of wires, some call it the dream catcher because it sort of looks like one as it flies over the frozen surface it can detect what's lurking below it's a bit like an x Ray. But for ice. This is the second time Peter has used the instrument in Antarctica after showing us around camp. Peter headed to a nearby refueling station to oversee experiments. That I think that's the Hilo you came on and going back to get fuel at marble point. That's the one that's gonna take me away. We joined him at marble point the next day. The big copters. This guy him we were going to do to missions today. And we just learned we can do three. So the sensors right there. Oh that big thing. So you guys are going to want to get set up pretty fast because they're going to start getting ready. They're going to start the generator. In fact, they're walking out there now to get ready. Let's just move over here person. Lars is out there. And he's getting set up to launch. Only the pilot was allowed to fly in the helicopter carrying sky, Tom. So inside a tenth that doubles as an office. Peter analyzes, data and plans other experiments. Next flake. We're going into Taylor valley, and we're going into this close basin. It's a big bowl, and it has a history of lake occupation. And right now, there's no lake there. There's just this little tiny pond in the bottom. And so we want to see what what what water is still there underground from that late. Then the biological standpoint. Wherever you have water, you have the potential for like one of Peter's collaborators microbiologist, you'll makuuchi is particularly interested in Antarctic hidden habitats. Like, Peter she's been studying Antarctica for roughly twenty years he took over for her at marble point before we arrived. So that's you know, really the main focus of Jill where we find these groundwater systems. There's gonna be a new ecosystem that we didn't know existed. You know, you think of all of article with all this new water being discovered. That's a whole new ecosystem. There's almost definitely there's microbes living down there. It's titan data is only the first step in taking a census of what lives in Antarctica, white expanse. It's like having an address, but not the details of who the inhabitants are and what they're like. So we can tell where the water is. And we can give some idea of the nature of the water. But we can't tell anything what's living there. That's going to be per sampling. That does that. Robin. I robin. Go ahead. Ready to get hit. Thank you for a great day. We took a helicopter back to our camp nearby was a unique place called lead falls. It's a salty iron rich waterfall that leaks. Water located beneath a giant glacier because of the iron the water turns red, just like blood. It looks like it's hemorrhaging scientists. Thank you rope and Enceladus could have similar cracks from which their oceans hidden life forms could emerge for Jill platforms is special because it uses microbes and she can access them without having to drill through the ice. So I will walking into the university of Tennessee at Knoxville where Jill makuuchi works. And this is the first time I'm seeing her since we were both in Antarctica and the dry valleys. Office already since we're here early. So nice to see you too. How you doing? We're both wearing normal clothes. Welcome. Jill shows us her library of microbes. It's filled with test tubes and Petri dishes were entirely creatures are growing. So he's contain samples that I've collected from around blood falls and other locales and an article since I first started going down in two thousand and one we have close to one hundred microbes from different Antarctic environments that we're in the process of describing how did you end up working on this? I ended up working on blood falls. I've always loved cold environments. I always loved the snow. Let snowboarding all of that. And so when I first started graduate school, Mike Lee, professor happened to be a John named Andrew fountain who worked in the McMurdo dry valleys and was showing pictures of his research in glaciers around the world. And I was just in heaven. And then he showed a picture of this thing called blood falls. And I was just fascinated and I raised my hand and was like what microbes are living in there. So. For people who haven't been to falls in the dry valleys. What what is it like to be there? You know for me. It's become almost like a second home. You know, I've been there a lot and I loved working there. But it's also grueling. There's times when it's a bright sunny day, and it's lovely working out there. And then there's other times where it's just absolutely freezing to me. It always feels like you're on emission rate. You're in this remote camp, you're sleeping in a tent. The landscape is very dramatic and prehistoric and away. There's no trees you're writing over this ice cover, and you see blood falls around the corner. That's your target. It's very other worldly, I imagine. That's what. Working on another planet might be like are you doing any experiments with this that you collected at what falls? Okay. Yeah. So can you give us a couple of minutes to get that organize? While Jill sets up a graduate student named Caleb. Schuler shows us an ice probe. The team is building to access microbes living below layers of ice. Go to now, we don't want to disturb you too much over here. Just doing. Okay. So this is a part of the mill fro and it's just like a cylinder undies glaciers in Ourika. If you wanna sample something underneath it yet have waiting through. And typically they use hot water drills, and those can be costly. So there's alternatives out there and one of them would be a melt probe it's called the ice, fiber and it uses heat to melt ice. So that micro biologist like Caleb, and Jill can access places where communities of microbes could be hiding the tool also has a compartment for collecting samples. It has the potential to transform their research by giving them access to more habitats. They tested in the Arctic. But it's still in development. So this portion is the sampling portion and first thing is how do we clean this before it goes in? And now the second part is how do we know the sample that we're collecting is actually a sample that we want right. So as you're melting down for the ice is what your melt? Through going to influence your sample beneath. So we sample something we find these bacteria down there. We want to know that. That's what's actually down there. And it's not just from us handling it or us not cleaning it properly. One of the things that I find really interesting is that we want to study these places that are understudied mysterious because of that, and they also give us hints as to what it might be like to go to Mars again or your rope buy or sell it. And there's also really important to keep those environments fifteen because you don't want to meet them. Right. So you're doing that hearing seems. Yep. Our process of cleaning it before we go into the glaciers kind of just like a like a fundamental step in getting to that end goal. Hopefully, we'll be able to deploy the probe somewhere down because that's that's the dream outside of cinema to Europa now, it'd be cool too. But you know, I can't go with it. The probes that go to your robot will need to work without human help. Jill can bring microbes back from an targa. But planetary scientists won't be able to do that for the icy moon, the only be able to get back data. So researchers need to figure out what kind of signals need to measure to maximize their chances for detecting alien life with that knowledge in hand, they can then program the probes to recognize alien creatures. The hunt starts with the kinds of experiments Jill and her team are doing to understand the migrants living in extreme environments here on earth. So this is the space that we use to work with our samples from blood, falls and other places in an article, we can put in hood. I think. What looks like the meat display cases. You see at the supermarket, it sucks out air to keep your stamp was playing the food material that we collected from the surface that was part of that iron rich visual component that you see blood falls the sample is in a small tube. It's a salmon color and looks like it has the consistency of Pat Tae. Okay. We need some more scrupulous. No, I need a little one when they start. Joshua. Yeah. We might have to wait a little bit for this to defrost just a little bit. After thaws. Joe scoops it into smaller containers for testing this is just working really well because it's slushy. This is exactly the stuff that you see surface. Of blood false. Be people's here that you just put in these tiny test tubes. Yeah. What happens to them next? So some of the tubes will be used for extracting DNA. So we can do a molecular analysis of the sample and see if we can identify who's there. And what genes are present the other container that we put some sub sample into. We'll try to use to cultivate, out microorganisms were really interested in what we call ecologically relevant organisms. So some of the more abundant microbes in our samples the micro organisms that might be utilizing iron or Sofer or be adapted to the coal than salt conditions. We'd like to know more about them to better understand what falls to get the microbes to grow. The researchers have to recreate and target harsh subglacial environment into a lab in Knoxville to do that they use a setup that looks like a beer tap. But instead of alcohol it serves up different gases Abigail Jared shows us how. Works. So this is our gase station to conceal we have some compressed gas owners super exciting. So I- gin and coming by oxide. What else you got old you beer air? And then we have some hydrogen and nitrogen gas, and ultimately what happens is we can put lots of different gases in bottles, and then we can gross up in them. She's about to do some experiments with a bottle filled with liquid the color comes from an iron containing mineral. They think the microbes need. It's supposed to mimic blood falls. The first step is to remove the oxygen to simulate the environment beneath but falls in the presence of the iron loving microbes that read transplant. Okay. So she showed you her controls that have no microorganisms in them. And you can see that the iron is still really this bright rusty red. And then when you look at the cultures she's incubated with her micro-organism, you can see that it's gone black. And so the mineral has changed from being in the presence of this microorganism, and we're still trying to figure out everything that's going on this kind of data can also help them to tech microbes. Jill has found that some produce stinky, smells as they grow tracing. Those sense can lead scientists to where the microbes are like a dog finding its owner by snipping for their smell that homing strategy can be applied not just on earth. But unfrozen moons, and it's less work intensive than drilling through ice. We talked about the challenges of going to end Artika sue amplify that with the challenges of going to a place like your Roca were Enceladus were still working towards being able to drill in these ice covers. But it's a long way off most of the. Measurements. That nasa. Scientists are making are sniffing around the surface of the planet or landing and looking at the surface. And so perhaps blood falls can tell us something about what signals what clues subsurface ecosystem leaves on the surface as it comes out. And so when we get down to the surface of Europa, we want to scoop up samples and among other things we wanna look for any signs of life. We wanna look for what we call bio signatures. That's Kevin hand. He's a scientist at NASA Jet Propulsion lab, and he's developing future missions to Europa to understand how best to look for life there. He's working with microbes with a contraption. He calls you wrote in a can it takes up a whole room in his lab. It's one of the things that we've done with our Europa and a can here on earth is we've actually put microbes in there, put them under the temperature and pressure and radiation conditions that they would experience on Europa, and then examined data to see whether or not we could still figure out that the leftover material was derived from microbes and the answer is. Yes, that tells them that they're on the right track. The microbes he's working on come from another building GPL. Kevin is also getting ready to test microbes from Antarctica and the bottom. Of the ocean. So all of these microbes in extreme environments from around earth serve as interesting little case studies in the types of life that could potentially survive on the world like you're up yesterday. We spent the day with Dilma cookie. Is you down in Knoxville you plan on using any of the microbes of cheese finding down there to Europe bikes to are going to get some microbes for it's possible. Her Antarctic microbes have adopted to life in similar ways as their potential Europen cousins. Fascinating about work. That's being done by people. Like, Jill is that. They're going to these extreme environments and looking at the ways in which microbes fine the elements needed to build life. So blood falls? He got a bunch of iron himself in there. And that's the biochemical battery that makes life tech our battery runs on oxygen, but the microbes Jill studies have adopted to breathe iron. Might pervy surge in her lab help you as we explore these extreme environments on earth. We really hone our discovery skills for seeing how life on earth expresses itself in different environments. The blood falls environment in Antarctica is just so dramatic. You got this red material all over the place. I can only hope that someday we land on the surface of Europa in an environment. That's kind of like the Europa version of blood, falls and Artika. We scoop up a little material and find that the discoloration is made from microwaves within Europa's ocean coming up to the surface. I want to get out there and see if there's another way to get the business of life done. Is there something other than DNA, aren't and proteins? Or is that the best biochemical solution to answer that question and to really figure out whether or not the origin of life is easy and whether or not there's a second origin of life in our own backyard. We need to go to world where life could. Would be alive today, and the world's that are primed for that kind of exploration awards like you yoga and cell entitled. The future of everything is a production of the Wall Street Journal. This episode was reported in produced by Danielle Hernandez with help from Alexander hots and Lee camping during our technical director is Jacob Gorski. Thanks for listening. I'm Anthony green.
Photos: Birthing and parenting in the pandemic
"So many aspects of life have changed over the past year but some things haven't changed like giving birth. Oh my god. Many people covid nineteen has had a huge impact on the birthing and postpartum experience k. u. o. w.'s. Kate walters followed a family through the birth of their child and the first year of parenting and global pandemic. it took nearly a decade for hope. And jake black to get pregnant with his son. They went through surgery and two miscarriages when they finally got pregnant. They run into more complications. Then covid hit and suddenly there was a whole new layer of things to worry about and by the time i talked to hope and jane april lost via various rituals of pregnancy. Were already on. Hold things like Maybe showers get pushed way to the back burner for obvious reasons But when you lose that on the things that we are losing our now it feels almost selfish to complain about canceling a baby shower gas. When you know people are suffering and dying it puts the really important things in perspective and it really really does make you grateful for what you have. But hope didn't want to risk getting cloven while she was pregnant or exposing their newborn and that many nearly twenty twenty they were rethinking their birth plan trying to avoid the hospital. They decided to birth center felt like the best option. A few months later planning became a point went into labor. They missed the lost ferro fashion island where they leave so they couldn't get to the birth center then after hours and hours of laboring at home with a midwife things got complicated when hope was nearly nine centimeters dilated. They made the call to go to the place. They tried so hard to avoid the hospital. An hour and fifteen minutes away like that car or worse car right of my life felt like an trinity. But they made it okay. How a little later on allah one. Your no wait. Things have gone wrong and every step of the way but he is perfect. He's amazing he's beautiful and we're so in love in the end and jake side. They weren't focused on code when they were in the hospital. Now all these paranoia are starting to creep. In now. That i mike six days out. I'm like while. I hope he's okay but there's really nothing you can do because it was the right place for us to birth. When hope and jake took this on home they began to feel the many ways. The pandemic was reaching eaten to alter that landscape of new parenthood. They felt isolated at a time. They wanted help and company at any other time. The revolving door of grandparent's would be starting but like so many others during this policy in a bit they couldn't tap that proverbial village support. Yeah there was no village the three of us in a cocoon which is beautiful in some ways. Really hard sometimes now. The family felt so much further away than they had before so like everyone. Else they connected. Virtually jim facetime an constantly really. Yeah we've been like i. We made up this way for my dad to read to him. Where we'll have the same book and i'll show are low the pictures and then my dad will read so he can hopefully hear his voice and it's like he's with them So we're getting creative and that's how grandparents and others have watched him grow milestones came and went with largely virtual witnesses. Grandmother was there on the screen when he tried solids for the first time. Holidays came and went with relatives gathering in this mold. Zoom boxes on the screen and the months continued to buy three. I love you and finally in february of this year to meet his granddad in person you grant. Oh my dad. Kind of being the risk taker of the family and deciding that even before the cdc's that was okay he would vaccinated and he was gonna need his grandson and it was really beautiful beautiful but also sad harbin. Jake say there's some grief in the fact that it took so long but they credit this new phase of their lives with family members and friends can make their son where they have some support to the availability of vaccines impact on our lives in a just end the deepest way for him for our son to get to meet his grandparents. I mean it's just truly amazing. I think we were mentally gearing up for another year to being cut off from the world and we were like okay. We can do this but we didn't need to way. So i'm so ready and welcoming this new phase of life now have bieber now just a few weeks ago. Hope and jake's backyard is full of family and friends celebrating host birthday the extraordinary area. I keep saying the villages here. The village is here like humans are made for to be in a village with other people in have help. And we sort of. Don't do that any way in our society but during covid that was even more apparent. And i'm sitting here realizing the real value in just having other humans in your life just hitting me really hard right now. Watching people celebrate their son's first. They jake say it was a hard year. Never have chosen this. And i'm sure we wouldn't choose it again. You know but but at the same time. The silver linings now loom larger in my mind. You know like we'll always treasure being stuck at home three of us during the phase when we're all trying to get to know each other and bond with him and you know it was. It was a gift and a lot of ways. The pandemic is an ova but it's a vastly different world than it was a year ago. Kate wolters k. U. w. news and this is part of a series of stories on how the pandemic has impacted birth then the postpartum period on a personal level and in the broader system will have more stories published throughout the summer. Just for you.
Everybody Week Morning Interview (7-9-2021)
"Good morning it's time for choppers your morning and night tooth brushing show today. Our friend jasmine is here with an interview. Jasmine take it away. Thanks start brushing on the top of your mouth on one side and make sure to brush the inside outside and chewing side of each to three. Why it's everybody week and today we've got a very special guest. Harbin girma so hobben Can i please get you to introduce yourself. I mean was hovering grim. I'm a disability. Rights advocate the kids like me to remove barriers people with disability. I'm a disabled person myself. I'm blind a ham limited. Edition it here. So it's hard for you to see and hear exactly switzer brushing to the other side of the top of your mouth but don't brush too hard. Could you explain what a barrier is. A barrier is something that gets in my way. When i want to do something for example i can read through braille but running my fingers over jots to be on letters but if i need a bulk and it's only available in print not in braille in that prevents me reading the buck backs of barrier switch to the bottom of your mouth and make little circles around each tooth. Gotcha so braille is a tool that helps you. Interact with the world exactly. I also use braille to communicate with people when people talk to me they type on a keyboard and their words show up in rail so right now for this interview. I have a friend. Who's changing your questions on a keyboard. And i'm reading the responses in braille and then responding back by voice switch to the other side of the bottom of your mouth and don't forget your front teeth. Can you tell me a little bit about your morning routine. Like what's the first thing you do in the morning. The fifth thing i do in the morning i check on mike guy dolle. His name is my little. Milos is smart really really talented dog. He and i walk around barriers. So we're walking down the sidewalk and there's a garbage can in the middle of the sidewalk. Minal will go around so minalin. I go around barriers together. That's all the time we have for this morning. But come back tonight to hear more from kaban and milo until then. Three chompers is a production of gimblett media.
PHONE SCAM Claire's Vaccine
"All right it's time for a mojo in the morning phone scam and we've been asked to have some fun with brianna. She's the manager at the store in the mall. That pierces little girls years. I'm getting to be a little confused about what they do there. I'm going to call and see if i can get them to inject me with the covid vaccine we will. We will scam you. Sorry catchy song. He's your home phone scams mojo in the morning clarence house and david degree now. Don here talking to help you. I was listening to my podcast about donuts and the host comment on the side that begged my curiosity. She said you'll stick with the needle for free. Is that true It's actually it's is not a needle is actually a gun but yes we do the pearson for free and you pay for the earring free. I could throw up from the excitement. Okay can i. Can i talk to your manager to buy wanna just claire. I didn't know there was an actual claire. This is so exciting this so they name the whole story after you name is brianna brianna. I'm sorry okay and it's safe. I mean you know are your staff medically trained yes. We are completely trained in this one hundred percent safe because we have different training methods and different precautions that were used when it comes to sanitation as well wonderful. That's so many big words. And what are the age restrictions. There's not really an asia fiction the seventy nine year old lady walkman the orders. I've done harbin to be eighty something while that's fascinating. I will definitely see you now. Let's see. I wrote down about three pages of questions. What else do. I have do a half to do the ear the nose or maybe i can do. My shoulder might pushy so it has to be only for the years to come back in two weeks for the second shot right for the second shot what they mean for the. Do the two shots or do you do them. Both right there for could and not the vaccine. Oh doing siser or moderna when you do the needle we're famous visit mojo in the morning.
BREAKING NEWS: Steelers select punter Pressley Harvin with their second pick of Round 7 of the 2021 NFL Draft
"Now that the nfl draft is here you need to subscribe to the sba nation. Nfl our team of national and local experts have the nfl draft covered from every angle. Plus we're bringing in big name guests and leading mind from around the industry subscribe to the espy nation. Nfl show wherever you got your podcast for the best coverage of the nfl draft and beyond pittsburgh steelers fans. I am back with the final. Hopefully breaking news podcast for the pittsburgh. Steelers two thousand and twenty one. Nfl draft. They ended up having nine total selections. A oh i didn't even introduce myself. I'm so flustered with joy right now and you'll find out why just a moment i'm dave scofield. Co editor lebron's occurred in dot com. The reason flustered for joy is for the other co editor of bindis hooker dot com jeff. Hartmann we'll get to that shortly because the steelers have nine selections. They drafted four offensive players to start four defensive players next and they went with the special teamer at pick two hundred and fifty four the steelers selected punter presley harvard in the third out of georgia tech. Now this is a guy that actually a lot of people were looking at him being the best punter if anyone was go to draft this dude is two hundred sixty three pounds. He's five eleven not a tall guy. Two hundred sixty three pounds. that's a punter. He's a big dude but he can punt the ball. I wish i i'm trying to find some good stats on him. I can't read you the normal stuff. They don't have punters listed on cbs sports. They don't have the draft network. That i could find He was projected to go and route seven. If you want it all i just went to. Nfl dot com. Get some stuff here. So this is what they say. He's a wide body part with extra quick operation time. Harbin was was a heralded punter out of high school and seem to improve throughout his time at georgia tech his quick get off might need to be slowed to help out his coverage team though. He has an nfl leg in his consistent as a directional punter which gives him a shot at being drafted. The big question is can hold because it seems like. That's the best they go in for jordan barrier right now is that he's a good holder. His strengths were that he had a net average of forty four point eight yards per punt and twenty twenty. He's very good at handling bad snaps his his directional public like passes to the governor and he actually had a touchdown pass for forty one yards on a fake punt in two thousand and nineteen of his weaknesses. It says the as an inconsistent hang time. Sometimes he really gets it high. Sometimes he doesn't and his high percentage of punt returned a lot of that has to do with his quick release and out kicking his coverage k. And he needs to get a little bit better with his touch on short kicks. But this is what's going on with the pittsburgh steelers picked up a punter. That means we'll have three. Count them three punters on the roster. As of right now. I hate to say this. But there's an opportunity that that the steelers signed too many undrafted free agents. That one cordless wade men may not be a part of the ninety roster anymore. What to see that happens. Or if not bring all three of the camp so Very interesting. i've said this so many times. The seventh round. I feel is undrafted free agents that you don't wanna fight for. That's the way i look at it. Meaning shoes the draft is done all these teams on the phone to these players who didn't get drafted. Oh you know come come be a part of the steelers can be a part of the of the chiefs can be a part of the seahawks calling and getting these guys and these guys are going to go where they won they feel like they can fit in and have a chance to who probably whoever butters them up and chosen the most love three gotta look at geography and close to family and things like that but they get to pick they choose where they go but with a seventh round pick their their. They're the team that drafted him. So i've often looked at what's going on with the with the seventh round right now. I'm actually currently watching where they're finally getting to a harvard as a punter. Oh my goodness that's a monster punt the that they just show on tv that hit a bounce exactly sideways and went out of bounce. So i i love it because you know we all know if you follow podcasts or articles you know jeff harbin and his feel for the current steelers punter who ended the season with them last year that he would prefer to have somebody else. It's been an ongoing joke. So we've been talking for a long time about the draft about all. Hey to fifty four has reading all written all over it and honestly. I didn't think they would do it. It was just something we were messing around with and they did so well if you re ah someone who says positions don't position ranking doesn't matter it doesn't matter if you're the best running back or the second best running back or the third best running back. I made this argument. Pretty strong on friday where i was have to admit. I felt like i was owning people on twitter. Because they're like oh everyone was talking the feel good story about about nausea harris's that he was the best running back in the draft. Who cares he was the best running back at twenty four. My example was if you take zack. Wilson said luke wilson. Zack wilson. Take him out of this year's draft. Just throw them out like you doesn't exist in saquon barkley and saquon barkley is the number two of raw pick which he was when he was drafted. That was in two thousand seventeen. Now wait to start two thousand and eighteen. Sorry does that change your perception or your grade or being a good pick for nausea harris. The fact that there was another running back that was better than him drafted at the very top of the draft. It changes nothing. It doesn't matter that he was the second best running back or if he was the best running back or if he was the third best running back he was the best player at twenty four so once again the steelers are getting the best punter draft in round seven. And with something like that. You're like hey if you want upon her and you don't wanna have to fight with other teams to get him to get him to training camp your drafted with your last pick. And that's what they did. So i've kind of off my high horse preaching about about player rankings. Because i'll throw it out there again pad firm youth as is named. Because i just can't pronunciation it the if it wasn't for the highest drafted tight end of the history of the nfl. kyle pits. you just take him out. Quesion firm use the best tight end in the draft going about where he would have gone anyway. Would it have changed where he went. Shouldn't have it didn't matter if he was number one number two number three he was the best player at fifty five for the steelers. So this is fantastic. The draft is done. The steelers went running back. Nausea has tight end pat for booth center. Oh why can i not remember. Green is his last name is his first name. I'm so fluttering now. I'm not even looking at this. I'm going for memory. Then he got offensive tackle from texas a and m. then they went defense then they then. They got the linebacker from texas. Am then. They traded up for the defensive. Tackle out of wisconsin louder milk and then the steelers went. Got the great steel with edge. Rusher cue from the quincy rochet and then they followed up in the seventh round with a slot corner out of oklahoma in norwood and finally the hunter in impressively harvard. The third from georgia tech so one of a little bit on this one but this sums up the whole draft pressing from the third. Walk to pittsburgh. Go out there. Witness job jeff hartman's going to jersey as soon as we figure out what number you are gonna win this jobs. We can get that forum excited about not just this pick. I'm excited about the entire draft. I really look with a series of done. Mix you're coming to behind the curtain dot com for continued coverage. We are gonna be diving into this draft for not just days but for weeks you gotta come back and check out all the coverage. It's been great coming with you all and coming to you and having this time to let you know what the pixar and i gotta say it goes to church.
How Women Can Sell Authentically with Alexis Gladstone
"A lot of the sales training has been created by men and four men and the tactic so to speak that they're taught they don't really resonate with women they don't take into account what things we do really well things like building relationships things like asking questions things that a lot of women do innately and some of those sales trainings that go through. It's like full. But i've been through this training and i'm not getting the results because it's not using your skills Hello everyone welcome to the. Ktbs best-actor podcasts. For women where we talk about challenges senior female leaders face and being happy and successful at work. I'm your host dr sarah e brown. My guest today is the lexus gladstone. She's the founder of into lead a chicago based consulting practice dedicated to aligning people strategies and business results into lead to find strategies and programs to help clients develop current and next generation leaders increase the effectiveness of individuals in sales and dr organizational. Change that delivers results. She has a passion for empowering professional women and helping them succeed. She's assad out voice trainer and coach on the topics of women and leadership and helping clients recruit develop and retains female talent alexis has presented trained and coached thousands of individuals in public and private companies higher education and not for profit organizations. These clients are in industries such as financial and legal services manufacturing and hospital medical internationally. She has been honored to present and train at a number of financial organizations in melbourne australia for business and government leaders in harbin china as for corporate leaders in the uk. She's a frequent podcast guest around the globe talking about women in leadership and sales and his co author of a book pure wealth twenty six ways to crazy profitability alexa. Thank you for being here today sir. I'm so excited to be here. Thank you for having me. So what is the biggest challenge to help female leaders face in business today right now. I am spending a lot of time working with women in fails. yes i know. People are like ooh sales. But let's face it. We are all in sales in some way shape or form right right and what do you see as the biggest challenge that women have in sales and what might be the symptoms of those challenges. Well i think first of all people don't know how to go ahead and talk about their products and services or even selling themselves because even if we're even if we're not in sales as part of our title so to speak. They're selling ourselves inside organizations or selling our ideas or selling different things and things that need to get done so the biggest challenges people face in the women especially is how do i do it and be my authentic self So selling authentically. And what do you see is the biggest mistakes clients make before working with you in that regard. I think if you're in your true sales. I think a lot of women. They stand the hamster wheel too long without getting the results that they really wanna be getting so. I think a lot of times what they're trying to do. They may have been taught tactics and skills for selling or they may have picked up the tactics or skills from watching others who have been selling a lot of times. Those others they're watching are the successful men that are in their organizations and doing it but they're not really figuring out how to do it like i said there are authentic selves and they're not getting the results that they want. Do you see that. They're trying to copy the men that they're observing trying to copy the mat and it's not what women do well see. The problem is if they've actually been in a sales. Some kind of sales training. A lot of the sales training has been created by men and foremen and the tactic so to speak that. They're taught they don't really resonate with women than they don't take into account what things we do really well. Things like building relationships. Things like asking questions thinks that a lot of women do innately and some of those sales trainings that they go through. It's like full. But i've been through training and i'm not getting the results because it's not using your skills i see. So what's the number one. Free and actionable tip. You can give our listeners today to help them address this challenge. Now you know whether we're talking about business. Sarah talking about sales. It's all about relationships when when you think i mean relationships has everything in a relationship where you're meeting people. Were building them all the time. And you need to build those relationships before you actually need that you know before you're actually trying to get inside an organization to sell something to restore your reform. You're trying to meet someone you want to build those relationships it's all about. I like to say it's all about how people if people know you they like you. Entrust you they're going to do business with you right so building those relationships to let people know who you are and then people are going to really start listening to you and wanting to do business with you and ultimately and what you're really trying to do in re in when you're in sales is get referrals. I see okay great. So what's valuable free resource. You can share with the women who listening today to help them understand this challenge better well part of being in sales and part of selling your product or service or part of selling yourself. It's really talking about knowing who you are knowing. What makes you unique and knowing how to talk about that comfortably and as women were not always good at that. We were raised. Not to brag. We were raised in ways that we don't want to talk about ourselves. So i actually have come up with a way to a a handout giveaway. That i haven't it's ten ways ten things that women can do to help them stand out and be noticed. And that's not feeling like bragging and a lot of those the tips they worked whether you're inside an organization and trying to sell yourself or whether you're not inside the organization you're actually trying to sell your product or service or something your own business so that's ten ways to stand out without groggy. That's very cool. Where where would our listeners. Find that i'm going to give you a link for that. You can put that and the link to this podcast and also just so people know i'm actually gonna be turning it into an e book so people actually give me there in order to get the the handout that the download their name and email. They'll all be notified when the book comes out. Oh very cool. Very cool okay. Great and that will be posted in the show notes. So let's us. What's one question that i should've asked you. That will help our audience to take action to address this challenge. Now which please answer the question. I think the question that i thought of. When i saw that you were going to ask where do i start. If i want to improve sales if i wanted to get better at this what should i do. I and i think if you're in sales obviously you need to know your numbers and you need to know your product for service. You need to know what you're selling but you also need to know what makes you unique. Why are you different. Or why is your product and service different or how. You're selling your product service. Why is that different than all the other competitors. That are out there. So being able to articulate that and differentiate yourself from all the other noise. That's out there. I think the number one place that people should start if they don't know where to start to look at doing something different with their sales that involves selling a product. You're selling yourself as well absolutely it. It works both ways. Because obviously if you're selling a commodity let's say you're in financial service sales and you're selling insurance lot of insurance brokers out there a lot of insurance companies are out there but there's something about you in how you sell and how you service your clients that makes you different and unique and you need to be able to identify that articulated and show it to the people that you're doing business with both your prospects and your clients so alexis for being here today. Thank you so much for having me such a fun conversation. Thanks for listening to the. Ktf success factor podcasts. For women if you like what you were hearing please go to i tunes to subscribe raider and leave a review and if you would like more information on how we can help women in your organization to thrive then go to. Www dot sarah e brown dot com. You can sign up for our newsletter we show notes and learn more about our podcast guests. Read my blog. 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How this company started 24x7 retailing in India?
"Hi everyone. I'm a near. I welcome you to eight of aboard. There's discuss business. Today will be talking about a retail store chain in india at into this concept at quite an early stage but over the years this coming. Here's dr itself to hold its presence in the market that brought about many changes overnight store designing payments loop exclusive and tickets but the one thing that's been constant in this journey is its unique round the clock convenience store format that is. They're open for us seven days a week. Someone's guessed it by now we're talking about none other than going. For seven seven details toes was started in two thousand. Four by slamming moldy. And you didn't stores were not because in almost every city. The reach was only in major cities because people are accustomed coronas throws us engaged us to customers looking the best global brands on the shelves and trying to meet their daily needs like groceries. Marriages both get products and even their own brand of premium cosmetics. The offer an international shopping expedience customers it says commodities starting from basing household groceries to chocolates and toys and not carnivals have inconvenienced candy corn illuminating dark streets. One locations across deleon plans to expand to at least five hundred stores across the nation to introduce a franchising model seven has added roller coaster ride since its inception in two thousand six cake emoji group forward into organizer dealing the few of the twenty four astros but then elliott two hundred falling an economic slowdown that hit india and crippled many of the country's nascent modern retailers. The venture was on the break of sugary slowly. As they started stabilizing expanding to their franchises they had turned profitable around two thousand twelve. And most of those were close by ten. Pm at night carnival. Seven claim the fifty percent of new was coming from the night customers probably the younger population. That is more open to shopping at night. The johnson are the ceo of the company at that time claim that is expandable. And only done by franchise were trying to become india's answer seven eleven a similar retail store chain in the us which is why the even hydrogen seven eleven veterans would advising the company on processes systems and operations determined to capture the market before any similar competition rises. Now at that time they had most of the shows in high streets to expand they had to think about what possible locations bill held them captured a wider audience that is why the identified potential growth areas and concert locations such as airports railway stations and metro station. The title with indian oil for similar deal the had in mind could agate youngest people between the age of twenty five. Thirty five office was with uncommon timings or preferable. Buy groceries at night ronconi sixteen for minimal. The decided set themselves an audiencia target. That he believed was the future if wonder be set up ten thousand and twenty seven rows across the country within five years this is a massive jump from just one destroys updates at that time and dating this target is the stores will be is a new format. Does some meat is getting into so far. The company has only operated company owned managed. Besides the company already has an agreement with india's most significant fuel it ending chain stores address special filling stations. This decision expand the commune. So chain was not a certain but on one according to meet their demand for round-the-clock shopping bid an emergency. Harbin option in bulk shopping family because of the rise in double income households busy professionals and youth seeking instant gratification. For seven had so far they mean a small business for the group still considering its competition at the time with in and out a sport manage by part petroleum twenty four seven who think these these sales capture markets. Faster than anyone else does discuss. They brought us a stroz years. Keating then meaning stores sell three quarters of all the gasoline purchased in the united states. With changing consumer preferences lifestyles rising income levels. India was expected to be the falling potential market for convenience to lose it is not that by inventing a revolutionary product and extraordinary business. Opportunity arises. still. It is about making the existing products available convenient diamond place with the lifestyle of the people undergoing drastic change due to irregular working hours changing consumer preferences and rising income levels. Many people find it challenging to do their day to shopping during the regular working us. Therefore this was an opportunity to become retailer. Who who's accessible and available for seven this unique perspective give rise to the twenty four seven convenience stores located close to the target audience. The main idea is to be really close and accessible to the consumer. So they don't have to go out of their way to reach you and other major player in the retail format is ninety eight four degrees it. Also breeds twenty four seven. According to mr such producer marketing head of the company india as a retail market is now at the point where retailer shall also find its onset of discerning customers who sheldon months such facilities grenfell seven availability with the best offices. The feasibility of the concept is also reflected in the number of footfalls that the existing convenience store bids using layers ronconi eighteen major indian cigarette maker. Philip sandia started pursuing an aggressive business strategy but become a convenience store juggernaut in the south asian country that did this planning to nearly tripled. The number of shows across india consider launching sophisticated. Sales started using cameras installed inside. This does with special software. Using the data the company wanted to analyze customers attributes such as sex and age images and offer bargains that very to store protect customers even initiated. Revamping the brand introducing a new logo and tagline along with changing the entire. Look and feel of the stores which included district screens focused lighting and peppy music technicians. This started exploding. Cash the check out and even cycling machines customers can trash the bottles with code can add coupon to spend on this part in addition departure with fee charge customers to pay for more than thirty five hundred products and services at every turn seven stroz using their features volleyed. This makes one thing clear. Seven has had a clear vision of expanding its winter. Some had once claimed that they want to be the apple store concept of convenience stores where the shows are buzzing the music the decor is excellent and the staff are very well dressed but they had to face many issues along the way next. Shallow marches in product specific permissions to an attorney for seven business etc and the biggest one being running running nine dean future detail. Limited announced plans were set up a seventy seven brand of convenience stores in india. Advance the inspiration for this company and can give a tough competition wants the land in the market concerning all this begin understand that into in consumer behavior lifestyle can drive the growth of twenty four seven communist. I i think we can all agree even essay that for most businesses that birmingham has been across still. It has been a blessing for this delhi-based gene destroying a staggering eighty percent. Surge in business in the capital carnival. Seven success has not been with any luck the past eighteen months. The hacker baby steps that help prepare to be focusing on hygiene and safety. The air growth further for seven has begun on delivery services around the clock. Linke's its reach. Only time will tell which venture remains to cater to the people's time needs and there's two trees they might actually demands for now. If you get a chance to visit a carnival seven store check it out. Have a great time getting shopping and we hope you have a fantastic expedience lizard for you to have a nearby conifer detail stole. You'll let us know where messages comments to an ankle. We hope like this episode of. Let's discuss business if it did these shared and follow the podcast on the favorite podcast app for more stories coming every weekend. I'm check and we'll see you for the next one.
181: Deep Dive | How to Stop Blaming Other People
"Welcome to the show. I'm Jordan harbinger. As always I'm here with my producer Jason to Filipo when life gets hard our minds, so quickly point a finger elsewhere that we often don't even realize we're doing it. If you're quick to blame others. Join the club. I think if we're really honest with ourselves a lot of us are guilty of this either in our personal relationships at the office or both. In fact, pundits galore are calling blame an epidemic in our society. Although they usually name it something else. The truth is the instinct to blame is a toxic pattern and one that deprives us of our agency weakens our relationships creates dysfunction and inertia in our lives and stops us from growing and moving forward. I probably don't need to keep selling you on the idea that blame is one of the worst habits to have and should be at the top of your list of habits to break today. Gabriel Mizrahi, and I explore why the impulse to blame is uniquely human and outline what we call the accountability spectrum. So that we not only stop blaming others. But we also do not simply absorb blame ourselves. Selves, which is equally harmful. Of course. Once we can spot blaming identify when we're doing it will also give you some tools to break the habit and show, you how to replace it with a process that's functional keeps us happy and productive and makes the right kind of accountability a habit that we can take to the Bank as many of, you know, have huge personal and professional network and the way that I built that was through systems and tiny habits, and consistency. I'm teaching you. How to do this for free in? My course six minute networking over at Jordan. Harbinger dot com, slash course. It's free. It takes six minutes a day, hence, the name, Jordan. Harbinger dot com, slash course. All right. Here's Gabriel Mizrahi. And I on blame. I'm excited for this one today because this topic first of all I came from a listener. And at first, I wasn't sure if it was going to be relevant, and then I thought wait a minute blame is something that I've spent years in a in a culture that does a lot of bland, and my family isn't really like that. But a lot of my friends were. Growing up in the last business that I was in. We had a blame culture. It's actually there's a term for this in business, and it's called a zero defect culture. And it's where the instant somebody makes any sort of mistake or perceived mistake that person gets blamed, and so everyone's afraid to take risk and you never solve problems because it's always someone else's fault. And the blame can get ridiculous. And yet people are still kind of eating it up. You know, you'll go. Oh, well, we couldn't do any video today or all the video. We did today is useless. And it's not our fault for hiring schmucky video guy that was four dollars an hour. It's the assistant who showed up late with the coffee. So we get started late. So the video guys were flustered and uncalculated. And so then we didn't get started till noon. And then they all the shots were out of focus. But if that coffee guy had just been there on time, then none of this would have happened in for like twenty minutes, you feel better because you blame someone else. And then the next day you have literally the. That same set of problems because you'd never solve anything and you spend three hours in the car whining about it. But never actually finding a strategy, and I've found towards the end of me working with this business that I found that this was actually the case because I'd go great. Yeah. That's good. How do we solve the problem for next time in a lot of the blame the sort of blame IRS would be like completely uninterested in that line of thought? And that's how I started to highlight that this was a nonproductive line of thought. But it's insidious it sneaky. And I think it's a great way to waste a lot of time in your life and in your business. So I'd love to attack this in a deep dive here. Yeah. It's funny when life gets hard or when business gets hard or relationships get tough that the human mind is so good at pointing a finger elsewhere that we don't even realize we're doing it sometime. Right. And when you see it in someone else, it's a lot clearer. Yes. It's a lot harder to see it in yourself. But there's this. It's a very human tendency because when things get hard or when a problem arises. If the stakes are high enough, a problem will create a real anxiety in you, right or an anger or frustration. Or whatever the feeling might be in the more intense, the situation, the more intense the feeling who wants to live without feeling like it makes sense that you would want to discharge it onto someone or something else. That's the best kind of blame. I mean. Best in quotes. Right. We see like someone blaming it on some inanimate object or some vague situation. That's even harder to see because there's nobody on the other side of that equation. You can be like, well, we'll hold up. I didn't. I didn't do that. That was an all me. But you know, you could you could easily blame door for not closing correctly. If he'll get you out of a problem or traffic traffic is a great one. Right. It's the classic one. It's Olympic one because. Yeah, that's probably a very specific example. But like it's made up of individual people who are contributing to the problem, but it's an abstract concept that really can't fight back or speak up for itself and point out like, yeah. Traffic me, traffic sucks. But isn't it? The case. Like, you should have left fifteen minutes. Earlier isn't that the problem? You know what I mean here? So they're all these clever ways that we can blame. And when we do as you point out like especially in workplaces, it can deprive us of our agency, it can weaken our relationships it causes massive dysfunction massive and deep dysfunction that can take months or years to on y in some cases, and it creates a nurse. And that's probably the worst part about it is that this thing that is designed to get us out of the problem that we don't want to deal with only gets us in deeper, and then makes it harder for us to act in a way that's actually productive. So I'm glad we're talking about it. I think it's a really timely topic. And also, it's something that's taking shape in our society at large the more, the more complex and problematic the world gets. I think the more insidious the tendency to blame becomes. Yeah. And people disagree about this. But I think in many cases, people are rewarded for blaming? They encouraged to do it. Sure blame the Democrats blamed the president blaming snowflakes blame the. All right. There's all kinds of I mean, you can literally just take a group and put blame the in front of it. And you end up with like a whole subgroup or other group that exists solely to really just do that blame and it becomes a lens on everything it's the filter with which you see everything and instead of becoming a choice that we can control is the way that you navigate the whole world, which is really a great way to become powerless immediately. Totally. So what is blame? Really? I mean, I think we all know what it is intuitively. But it's worth exploring a little bit. So the impulse to blame is deeply human, right? Like people hurt us when mistakes get made or relationships we conflict point like our our minds will do anything to avoid the discomfort that those situations. Create in most cases, the easiest way to avoid that pain is to externalize them. So that just means to project the discomfort or the anger they exiled for or that pain onto another person or situation. So that we. Ourselves don't have to sit with it any longer than seems necessary. Right, right. It's it's harder to admit that you made a mistake or that something else has happened or this voidable and take ownership which we'll get to in a second than it is to go. Well, you know, if you had gotten ready earlier, we would have had more time to solve this problem as it cropped up. And then it's like how was I supposed to know rational counterarguments, please. I just want to not be the person whose fault. This is right because I don't want to be the person who has to live with the discomfort of right now. The opposite of blame is internalisation. So that just means taking on responsibility fully for any pain and its source ourselves. So when we completely internalize something what we're really doing bearing the burden of the negative experience in its entirety. So we're believing that we're responsible for what happens to us around us because of us how we feel what to do about it all of that. But here's the thing. Internalisation can be. Just as toxic as extras Asian. So when you blame when you externalize you project that in anger onto other people when you internalize you hang onto those feelings, and you attribute them entirely to yourself that is not any better than blaming other people. It's a different way of dealing with things which is just as toxic. And sometimes it's just as dysfunctional, even though we don't always recognize it as problematic. So this this spectrum of internalisation, an extra Liz Asia kind of represent the two poles of how to deal with problems in this world both of which create their own issues that we need to back. It's funny. You should mention this because I know that when when I was working with this blame in this blame culture, the zero defect culture. I actually started it started off by other blaming. But then it was like, oh, well, that's not solving the problem. So then I went to self blaming. I was like look if I take responsibility for everything, then maybe we can get these problems solved and. What that did? Is it just ended up turning all the blame cannons toward me all the time? But I wasn't able to solve the problem. Because what I was doing was not actually the cause of the problem. In fact, there was no solving the problem because everything could have gone perfectly smoothly, and they're still would have three weeks later. Twenty twenty hindsight been some sort of thing to complain or blame later on. And it's a no win situation because blame IRS tend to also be black holes or I should say infinite sources of blame. Whereas people who are self blaming blame ease. Even if they're doing it to themselves will be black holes of accepting blame there's never like an amount of blame that you can accept. And in fact this bears repeating there's never an amount of blame. You can accept where you are full. And the other person says, well, I'm done blaming Angela. She has accepted responsibility. You just end up being the garbage dump of blame for yourself. And everyone around you. That's bottomless, right. Yeah. That's totally true. And it is crazy that there isn't a limit to how much we can do this. Because number one, it seems like human beings can never get enough of it. And also there will never be an end to problems just keep cropping up the process, you just described can lead among many other things to depression and shame guilt, and you can carry that around. So that's not the answer either. So if both approaches got us into trouble, then the natural question is well, what's the right approach to understanding our role when negative situations arise? And that's when we have to start teasing out what the spectrum includes. So if we think of internal. -ation which is really self blame and externalisation which is other blaming as two ends of the spectrum on one end of the spectrum. We take on too much ownership of those experiences and on the other end of the spectrum refused to take ownership of our negative experiences and project them outward in the middle a healthy, synthesis of those two impulses. And that healthy synthesis is what we could call accountability. So accountability means an appropriate recognition of other people's responsibility in a situation and a healthy ownership of our own. And it's crazy that so few of us are able to do both of those things. But that's actually a learned skill because most of us are taught unconsciously from young age tie project, everything outward or to take everything on and as we get older. I think it's on on us to decide. Okay. Let me let me do the work to figure out in every negative situation. I encounter a how can I parse it in a way that helps me understand what I could have controlled him. What I need to. Dress and what the other party can address when they need to control. And so that's what we're going to be talking a lot about this is this is a little bit scary for a lot of people because I think what you'll find when when listening to this. And by the way, this is all a detailed in there's so much more detail in the article that we wrote about this that will be linked in the show notes also called I think how to stop blaming other people. And so if this is a topic we have brings a couple bells alarm bells or otherwise, go and read the article because there's going to be a lot more in their some nice case studies, some good tables and some nice exercises. You're so proud of your tables. I like the table. Yes. You know? I'm a big fan guests who made the table guess and the crude spectrum tonight. Tonight. Yeah. That shifts when you touch it and Google, doc. This can be scary for people to parse themselves because you either realized that you're the blamer, and you've got a lot of work to do or that. You're the blame me. 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And our job is to internalize, the appropriate part of a dynamic, even when it's a dynamic, and that's worth calling out is I think a lot of times in life, very rarely do you find that? There's a situation which is entirely one person's fault. In most cases, there's a dance going on between two people or three or more people or a situation and a person or a person in a company, right? And in those situations, it's very tempting to blame. Because you know, that you are not responsible one hundred percent for what happened, but you are one hundred percent responsible for the fifty percent of it. And now you do own or whatever that percentages so being self. Aware and disciplined enough to not take on more of a situation than is appropriate or healthy. But also being willing to recognize what you do need to to take ownership of is is part of what we're going to be discussing. And as you point out that also means not becoming the object of somebody else's blame which is a very easy pattern to fall into because the origin of it other people out of our control. So true accountability is the end game. It's the mindset that allows us to take the best parts of each side of the spectrum and the first step in understanding how to do this is to recognize why. And when you're blaming in the first place, I think, that's wise. And I think that a lot of people are going to be a denial about when they're doing this. So I think when we're going through it when you're going through your own head to recognize why you're blaming resist the urge to justify it because that's the starts. Well, I'm blaming. But you know, this person in this, particular instance, they were really late. We'll look like it seems kind of obvious to be like, hey, just a be a little more self aware. Try to notice when you're. Blaming. But the thing is that blaming is is a very clever coping mechanism for psychological pain. Yes. So if you're anxious or frustrated or angry, it's not irrational to not want to deal with it makes sense that you wouldn't want to but blaming can take a number of different forums that actually fulfil other functions that we're usually not even aware of like in a single day. Right. You could wake up, and you can blame the city for traffic on the way to work. You can blame your colleagues for like not making the next pot of coffee when they finish it. Right. You can blame your boss for making you stay past seven you can blame your friends for making you feel silly over drinks that night, and you can blame this is getting a little personal, but you can blame your cat for nothing over a glass of water on the bedside table. Even though he's done it like nine other times this week clearly telling you that it's time to stop putting the glass of water on the bedside Tatum glass glass, don't like there. There are so many situations that seem to call for blame. Like, there's no end of problems. Can easily find someone to blame for pretty much anything anything big or small, right? And some of those cases blaming might be somewhat rational, it might even be appropriate. Right. It is possible that your city's traffic is a problem that your boss is inconsiderate that your colleagues aren't thinking about you as much as you like those things could be true. And yet you can still fall into this powder of Externalizing all of the anger and frustration which isn't healthy either. But if you dig a little bit deeper into those instances of blaming you'll usually find some more complicated intentions underneath. So for example. Let's just go back to these silly everyday examples, right? When you blame the city for traffic is it possible that you are also maybe avoiding responsibility for like leaving the house late or failing to set an alarm earlier. I mean, it's a very easy way to get angry at traffic as opposed to being like, yeah, that's on me for not leaving earlier. Or when you blame your colleagues for not making the next pot of coffee. Are you also making yourself? Saint of the office. Like, I'm the one who cares about everybody. I'm the one who takes the time to make the product coffee. It seems like such a small thing. But it actually represents a very big psychological shift that you're making you're elevating yourself to this pedestal one hundred percent exactly and you're doing it by bringing other people down exactly somebody has to bear. The there's a price to pay for the right? It's not just often make the coffee. I'm a nice person in the office. I clean up trash sometimes the break room and move. It's no one does his knee nine the only one that does everyone else's lazy. I this place would fall apart without me. Oh, yeah. That's a great one. Right. Yeah. Totally. And that that ends up being when we talk about things in the future like personality archetypes, it ends up being pretty negative. It's almost like you're bullying people. Even if you're not doing it in front of them. You're doing it in your own mind your mind. Yeah. Yeah. To prop yourself up. And that's exactly what you're doing. Because when you blame other people, you're not just extra. Analyzing the pain of the responsibility. You're also enhancing yourself in this other more subtle way sometimes away that you're not even fully aware of. So when you blame whether it's something small like the coffee or something huge like you guys messed up this like we deliver the project late because you guys could manage your work. Streams properly. Think about some of the deeper reasons that you might be doing that. And one of the most common is the desire to be right by making someone else wrong or to make yourself more competent by casting other people as less competent or to be special even if being special even if you get to be special by being the person who suffering is frustrated angry. Right. Like, you take on a special role because you're the person who knows enough to know that it's everybody else. That's right. Yeah. You are. You're the special victim. And even though if it's your even though it's your own making, essentially. Yeah. The special victim everybody else is doing this to you. And it's a very we'll get to this in a second. But basically, it's a great way to hand over responsibility and control totally right. Which is ironic because in a way, you're giving up all of your control, right? It's a very weird thing. It's like a strange paradox. You give yourself a sense of control over the problem at hand by tributing that control to other people. Right. You're saying like, you guys could have made it work, but you didn't. So it's your fault. And that makes me feel better because I don't feel as out of control. That's it's absurd. It is absurd. But it, but it in a very limited mental way. It does work for maybe five minutes, maybe short term strategy. Exactly. So no wonder we tend to blame so easily like blaming seems to work seems to. But once you really see how blaming is designed to prop you up. It becomes a lot harder to engage in it. A lot of the tendency to blame that we see in companies workplaces even families that's another really very complicated dynamic. We're blaming comes up a lot. It's because the people who are involved or are not aware of these subtler motivations. If they were then it would give them pause to be like, okay? I I know that I don't wanna feel responsible for what's happening right now. But but am I doing this? Because I want to be the only nice person in my family or to be seen as the only. Nice. You know, what I mean or to be seen as the person who cares enough about everybody else in the? Office to complain about the coffee not being made or whatever the situation is. So you can catch yourself getting mad at the city. And then you realize that well the city didn't force you to be late. It was you who over slept or you. Find yourself yelling at your colleagues in your head. And you realize that. Yeah, they might have forgotten to refill the cocker, but that doesn't make them bad people, and it won't more importantly, it won't make you a good one. Right. It's makes you the person who either does it doesn't refill the coffee. Exactly. So the first key to solve blaming a self awareness. And that means bringing more consciousness to your thoughts and your feelings and catching yourself in the moment. Hopefully, but even if it happens after the fact, that's really that's an important that process to go through it doesn't matter when it happens. It's twenty twenty hindsight is better than no hindsight at all, I suppose totally it's great. If you catch yourself in the moment, and then just not do it. Yeah. And I think that's where you can end up. If you do this practice enough, but just to be able to parse something after the fact is huge and to notice when you're Externalizing those thoughts and understand why. And if you can get a handle on the underlying reasons that you're blaming beyond just shifting responsibility. Which? Is very clear, then you'll give yourself to huge advantages huge advantages, and this is worth repeating the first is that you'll find it a lot harder to justify your blaming in situations that are not being helped by it. And the second is you'll gain some critical insight into yourself because there's something very useful about studying your own blame. It reveals the things that you might not know about yourself that very important to know, especially if you're a manager if you're managing other people if you wanna be in a relationship, if you want to be a good friend, you want to be a productive colleague like the things that we tend to blame in other people are usually reflections of something that we need to own and ourselves, so whether that's better time management, or knowing how to give feedback to people or understanding how to be kinder or whatever the situation happens to call for if you study you're blaming you figure out those intentions, you'll usually learn something really important about yourself. That's interesting, and yeah, that makes total sense because whenever we do whatever we have these. Sort of bad habits or negative patterns one of her. We dig down to the bottom. There's usually something that we're either trying to hide make up for overcompensate compensate for whatever. So it's it's like the control thing, we don't have control. So we blame other people hand over control to them thereby gaining what we think is control. It's weird. And then you ask yourself. Well, why don't want control so badly? Okay. I do want control. Of course, I won't control. I don't wanna feel out of control my career. But if I want that control is this the way to go about it. Right. And to what end am I trying to be a manager or my just trying to feel less chaotic, you know, what I mean, you can you can impact that in discover as you point out these insecurities or these vulnerabilities or even this the hopes and expectations that sometimes are operating without our full consciousness when you go to a therapist and do their often like tell me about another time in your life when you didn't have control. And then you're like, oh, my parents got divorced. And then my mom laughed, and then blah, blah, blah, like you find these weird things that that's not a real. Sample from my life, by the way. My parents are still together. Very cool. Just they are. And they look adorable sitting across from a breakfast. We'll say, yeah. But, but but your your point is is great. Like you start drawing those connections. Right. Among data points that you didn't even know were there. Right. You find these weird connections where like, oh, I've never had control in my life. I've always felt like life was done to me. Oh, my grandmother and aunt raised me, and they were to doting. And so I never really had control over my path. And now did it blame other people. And isn't it interesting because you usually don't think about blaming as this portal into like self-discovery, but what you're talking about is really important. Like, I guess that's always the case though. When you it's interesting like this is a little bit off the beaten path of what we're talking about. But you take this problem like blame. And if you really dig into it you end up with this window into yourself. But that's the beauty of good self help. I think is that you can if you really unpack a problem you can get something more than just the solution to that problem. You can come to a better understanding of yourself and other people. And because blame involves two parties. It's a really good one to do that. Because if you can work on this blame problem at work like in a professional setting. You can become a better manager and help everyone else become a better employee, or if you do it in your family, you can understand the roots of all of your neurosis and issues or just values or whatever and you can become a better family member. So it's actually really useful. You're listening to the Jordan harbinger show with our guest. Gabriel misery. We'll be back right after this. 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Now, the next step in this process is to replace the impulse to blame with the decision to understand because when the impulse to blame a rise is it happened. So quickly. Our minds are already blaming other people are situations before we even choose whether we want to or not that's where the self awareness comes in. That's where checking in with yourself can slow things down for a moment. And you can decide that becomes a moment where you can decide. Okay. I'm angry. Frustrated, I'm concerned, I feel out of control. I can either follow this mental impulse to project it onto someone else or I can say hang on a second. Let me really understand what's happening in this situation. When we blame another person in any given situation, we usually are attributing responsibility unfairly, so there's a version of events that supports our desire to blame. So when we blame someone else where usually attributing responsibility more responsibility to them than they actually have or when we internalize where tribute more responsibility to ourselves, and we actually should. But when we correctly dole out responsibility among everybody and every situation that was involved, then we achieve true accountability. Right. Because you can't solve the problem. If you are taking on responsibility that you don't have because you don't have the ability to solve that problem. And if you're sloughing off all the responsibility that you would have normally had onto the guy who got ran and got your coffee that morning now you can't solve the problem either. Because he there's nothing for you to solve tell someone else's fault. Exactly. Yeah. Accountability. Like true. Kind of -bility actually requires honesty and self. Awareness, and maybe most importantly a willingness to bearer the discomfort that comes with. Honestly owning your piece of it. I think that's the key. Because there's a lot of people who don't want to own it because they they take ownership and responsibility accountability as something that means something negative about their personality or them as a human, right? You know, they've been raised or something in such a way where if you've done something wrong worthy of an apology or some sort of change in behavior. You are a defective person that doesn't deserve love or whatever and our feelings around. Right. That feeling you totally like in my family and in my current home. If you do something and you make a mistake. It's okay. The person's not going to leave you. You're not going to be an abandoned by your wife, or you know, parents for doing that. But I know that other people probably live pretty consistently with that fear, and I truly think that some of the. We were dealing within the old company does stem from there was one person whose mother had abandoned him as a child, and I think a lot of his behavior came from the fear of abandonment. So it was like everything he did had to be perfect even if he had to beat it into you that he that it wasn't his fault. And so it all by then by definition it had to be someone else's fault. It couldn't be his fault. So if there was a problem that it wasn't his fault. We'll shoot you're the only one else in the other person in the rooms got to be you then and that's toxic. It's toxic for them because they can't fix the problem. And it's toxic for you. Because then you you're going like some bad person. Right. We learn the stuff from young young age. Yeah. And most of us have to learn later on how to deal with at the right way. It's it's sad. But I guess it makes sense because if we were taught accountability without being punished for it from young age, then there wouldn't be so much of this dysfunction in the world. But there is so that's why we're talking about this. So yeah, we have to get a handle on all of the variables. That are at playing situation before we can decide whether someone is really worth blaming whether it's fair to blame them and how much of ourselves we should blame for the situation. So specifically there are a few questions you can use to get a handle on all of that that data. So let's just talk about a few of them. So I mean, one of them is you know, what specifically is the negative situation taking place right now like how is it showing up in this moment? How did we arrive at the situation? So what events which decisions which factors led to this moment. Now that sounds obvious. But think about when a problem arises at work how much time do people, really, spend unpacking. The variables that got them to that moment. I mean, a good company will do that. But everyone's knee jerk reaction is who's frigging fault. Is that exactly the problem is just taken at face value, and it's treated as this big monolithic issue? And then the next step is let's figure out who is responsive right there fired or they're getting written. Up for this. But what about all these other questions? Like, okay who else is involved in this situation? What are their roles and responsibilities? You know, also which external factors came into play the factors that were not under anybody's direct control, like weather or office policy or ten general conflicts or somebody's rough morning that literally had nothing to do with you. But ended up playing a role situation, by the way, this is this has a really strong connection to a cognitive bias that you and I have talked about a lot which is the fundamental attribution. Yes. So this is a really interesting little subplot. But like there's a cognitive bias that makes us want to attribute people's decisions to who they are like to their deepest character DNA DNA like if somebody cuts you off in traffic, it's because they are terrible person. Not because they were late to work because of some unrelated issue that if we were in the same situation, we would be responding in the same way to like, we don't take into account environmental or situational fact. Ters or matters of circumstance when we judge other people we tend to judge them based on who they fundamentally are. That's the fundamental attribution are attributing fundamentally something to their character that we shouldn't that's the error. And it has a connection to blame it because blaming depends a lot in a lot of cases blaming depends on the fundamental region era like our willingness to blame a situation on somebody's core character their choices what they value as opposed to. Well, let's take into account like all these other things around the situation that contributed to the problem. That'd be great. If we could do that that sort of perfect world scenario, right? Like, okay. Let me pause take a deep breath figure this out, and you can kind of picture a wise CEO doing that and going let's unpack this before we jump to conclusions. But then that's the kind of thing that maybe happens in movies and then in real life. It's like, nah, let's just blame Gabriel. He's here and. Had something to do with short. Probably. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. There's this is easier to it's easier to blame. But it's not easy on the long. Short term short term is it's the path of least resistance long-term. It doesn't solve anything by the way. I mean, most people you talk to who work in in major companies are unhappy. I mean, they're frustrated. There's office politics office. Politics depends on what am I responsible for? What are you responsible for how much power do? I have how much power do they have. How do I get more power? I mean, no wonder people are so miserable. A lot of their jobs. They're dealing with cultures that depend on and reinforce the impulse to blame. So we're talking about is how to short circuit that that impulse. And the way to short circuit is is to take. And by the way, it wouldn't take all day to do this experts. What we're talking about is could be five minutes. Yeah. It's just it doesn't let you open that emotional steam valve and go screw the heck, I wouldn't idiot. That's an I'm so. Guilty of that too. I love just being able to open the valve event. And I think a lot of people will do that the problem is that like we've been saying over and over doesn't actually when we came to that impulse to blame other people and open that steam valve we'd deprive ourselves of the chance to actually properly. Appreciate the problem. Yeah. Exactly. Like, we're so eager to avoid the pain that we miss the opportunity to actually understand. And that ability to understand is what differentiates great managers from bad managers. Good leaders for parent. Good parents. Parents exactly. So the thing about this though. And what's so interesting is why do these two things blaming and understanding have this relationship? It's because if you really understood all of the factors that playing a situation, you wouldn't be able to blame. Right not credibly a that is why people don't take the time to understand because they want to enjoy the the privilege of being able to point the finger at somebody else. It's a lot harder to say. We'll hang on. Let me understand this. Nation if not fully as fully as I can in this moment. So that I can identify the factors that we actually have to work on some of which might be mine. It's very difficult to understand and blame at the same time. It's kind of like it's oil and water situation. Totally which is why the best antidote to blaming is, really, empathy empathy. Of course, we've talked about the so much. But it's you know, it's the ability basically to understand and share the experience of of another person. But more broadly, it's the willingness to step outside of ourselves to stop taking things personally or tireless personally and appreciate a situation from all perspectives multiple perspectives because when you apply empathy to all of the questions, we just talked about you end up looking at a situation from not just a number of different perspectives from but almost like from nobody's perspective, just true, objectively or as objective as you can manage yours. The other party's perspective, the world's perspective, and you understand the root causes of the problem. Instead of just being like going to point the finger that way because that guy should brought the. Coffee. So you choose curiosity over certainty, you choose patients over gratification. So that's really the name of the game. And when you study situations in that way, you inevitably discover, and this is what's so interesting promising and also frustrating about this whole process is that when you study a situation in that way, you usually end up discovering that the math of responsibility, like how their responsibility shuffles out is never as clean as you'd like it to be right? Yeah. It's never like, oh, this was one hundred percent since fall good. I was right. My gut instinct was totally right. Right. Never with the exception of a few outlier cases. I would say there. There's really never situation where one party is entirely at fault. And the other party is completely blameless. Like in almost every case. There's usually a complicated dance that's going on among multiple parties that creates the negative situation and the parties involved, they only realize that something is wrong. When the problem comes to a head. They don't realize it in the moment of making all of those decisions. So we need. Stop and tease those factors apart. So you can clearly see who's responsible for what how much are they responsible? How you know what are other people responsible for what is nobody responsible for that? Like, huge measure exert force majeure exactly like acts of God. Or just circumstantial facts rain. You should have been prepared. Cool. I was but I didn't bring seven umbrellas one for each of you exact okay fair. So that's exactly right. So then if you do that, then you're in a position to get into the next step, which is really what we're here to talk about which is to take ownership to take appropriate ownership. Once you get a handle on all of the variables that play in a situation, then it's your job to identify an own your piece of it. So that means parsing the scenario for the aspects that you do control. So that you can do your part in remedying the situation, but that process really starts with something very concrete, and that is replacing the language of blame with the language of understanding. So replacing the impulse to blame with. The choice to understand is comes down to language. Yeah. Really? Right. I mean, we're seeing your head or out or spoken. Yes. Exactly. Right. And that you know, that is a conscious choice to reframe the language that you're using. So that means asking questions rather than making statements, right? It means leading with empathy rather than judgment. And these questions are decided the less. Satisfying? I guess in the moment because instead of saying, I can't believe he did that wouldn't idiot. You have to say, okay, help me understand why they made or why you made this decision that doesn't feel as good as just choke slamming somebody verbally, right? No. Because you don't get the steam bells, right? The steam valve this is all their fault or I feel like in this situation. He or she could have acted differently here. Is there something missing about my role in this situation? Yes, exactly. This isn't my problem. That's your problem. All right. Is this a problem? How much of this is my problem? How much of this is within my control or here's another fun. Right. Like, this is why you're wrong. This is why I'm right. That's that's the language of blame. But how much how differently would that conversation? Go. If you said, okay, here's how I see things. How to UC things or I noticed that you did or said or you felt XYZ in this conversation. Why can you explain to me why you felt that way or? What did I do to create those actions or feelings in you, did I do something? Can you can you help me see something that I'm missing and myself, or or what should each of us have done to make the situation as productive as possible that is less immediately satisfying? But in the long term so much more useful because you're foregoing the impulse to be like, yes, I'm correct everyone else is wrong. And now, I can just walk into the other room. And this problem will no longer be mine. And you're saying, okay, let's slow this down for a second. Let me take myself from this limited position of wanting to be the person who's correct and say, let me be a forensic scientists with this other person and figure out what's actually going on. And that really does come down to our language comes down to the words, we use and the questions that we ask. Yeah. This shift is conscious requires that conscious choice often in my own head. It starts off as the language of blame. And then I go. Okay. Let me take that again, which is actually kind of a nice way. 'cause you get that frustrating part out you open the steam valve, and then you go well that wasn't really accurate. So let me take that again. It works when it's in your own head it doesn't work as well. When you like let somebody have it in your office. And then you come back twenty minutes later, and you go so turns out that I was just being complete dick. So you kinda have to if you're doing this in your own head make that conscious choice and shift whatever, you know, get it out of your system, and then make the conscious choice if you're doing this out loud. It is very helpful. If you catch yourself beforehand, it is. But you know, what let's put that under the microscope for moment because there is a transitional phase in this work where you might not be able to go from blaming entirely to understanding perfectly. Like that is a big shift. It could take it takes good leaders years to make that kind of shift is it so bad. If you find yourself in two weeks from now with a little bit of this knowledge floating around your head in a problem at work, and you say. I'm so angry right now. Like, I know that this guy messed up the coffee, or whatever, you know, whatever this is I really really wanna point my finger at this person and part of me really thinks that he's responsible. But you know, what before I do that? Can we talk about this? I'm angry. I just want everyone to know that I really wanna blame somebody. But am I missing something? And then you kind of straddle both, and that's a really healthy transitional phase. There's nothing wrong with that. I actually think that's a great transition because then you're saying, okay, I might still be indulging in the old pattern. But at least I have the self awareness to be like, okay. Here's what I wanted to. But let me enlist everybody else to help me do something that might be better than that. Yeah. I like that. I I think this is a like you said transitional process, most of us aren't going to go. All right from now on I'm not blaming anybody else. We're gonna have that knee jerk, gut reaction, and then we're going to realize L, this is this nonproductive thing that I've been doing for thirty five years. Yeah. But I also don't know if you really have to make. That shift entirely for this work to work. You know, it's not this process doesn't depend on you becoming Buddha. Tomorrow. Good. You know, you don't have to be like done with blaming. I don't wanna shake my head. So good. Yeah. Skip the haircut. But like, yeah. You don't you don't need to be perfect. You don't have to be this perfect non blaming creature to be more productive. You just have to have a little bit of self awareness and space to be like, let me see if there's another way because at the end of the day, you might discover that the other person does deserve to be blamed, and I deserve a little bit of responsibility. And that alone is important sometimes that is the whole point. And then after that, of course, we take ownership of our part in this situation, we kind of touched on that as well. You know, we want to be in a position where we appreciate all the factors at play take our piece for what it is don't then turn that into self blame entirely. Like, oh, I had this ten percent piece of it. So I'm a loser in a horrible person. And I didn't and deserve to work here, and whatever like everyone hates me. Yep. Skip that part, you know. Get get past it. And so yeah, that resisting of of self punishment actually might deserve a little bit of a highlight. Because I think it is tempting to take take on might twenty percent. Thirty percent. My fifty percent responsibility might ninety percent responsibility. And then just turn that into. I'm a horrible manager a mobile person. This is tricky because the more self-aware you become in this department. The more you discover the power of accountability the more tempting it can be to take on more and more responsibility in your life. Yes. And this actually happens a lot to top performers guys. Like, the people listening to this are going. Oh god. That's me. Yeah. They're going. It's me or they're saying I want to become more of the kind of person who can take responsibility cut to six months later, and they are the person who's carrying the burden for the entire company. What starts off as healthy accountability. Can subtly slip into internalisation toxic internalisation nuts pitfall that you have to consciously avoid by constantly checking in with yourself in just the same way that we've been talking about this whole. Time except instead of doing it with your desire to blame other people. You do it with your desire to blame yourself? The reason high-performance fall victim to this a lot and just people who want to become better in general is that they're willing to take ownership for problems more than most people are and then their managers there companies reward them for that. So if you're the if you're the person in the office who says, okay, this works stream got messed up over here because if somebody else, but I'm not going to blame the person I'm going to step in going to help them fix it. I'm going to own my piece of it. And I'm going to do the same for three other work streams, that's the kind of behavior that gets you promoted. It gets you a raise it gets your bonus. Right. You start to climb in the company, and you think well, okay. I got here by taking on so much instead of blaming what if I keep taking on more and more and more. And so you end up internalizing responsibility that you probably shouldn't be taking on. Yeah. In in the first place. So this is where the desire to get better in this department can kind of backfire. And you always have to kind of calibrate to make sure that you moving to the middle of the spectrum moving away from blame towards accountability doesn't keep moving to the other side of the spectrum towards toxic internalisation. You always want to kind of be moving back and forth back and forth. Calibrating to make sure that the stuff you're taking ownership over is fair, and it's healthy. And it's based on accurate understanding of how much you can and should control and how much other people can't and should control. This is great. I think making a count ability a habit as sort of like it starts off as a burden and turns into a superpower. Yes. It is a a little bit tough to lead, by example, when it comes to this. But I think that's probably a good first step. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, you know, accountability is really most powerful when it's a habit. We want to get to a point where accountability is no longer. This thing that we have to stop take thirty minutes. Go through a checklist move through it that can be part of the transitional phase. But over time you want to replace the lens of blame with lens of accountability. So that it becomes just as knee-jerk. Work as the desire to point the finger. Exactly. It becomes just as easy to say. Okay. Let me take ownership. So you can consciously cultivated in a way that become second nature until the instinct to take ownership of your actions becomes just a strong, hopefully, even stronger than the impulse to blame into your point. The best way is really to lead, by example, like leading by example, means committing to accountability in your own life before you expect it from other people because when you can model accountability for other people, whether it's colleagues family members children friends partners that often inspires them to do the same with us. And sometimes I think a lot of us go around with this idea where it's like. Yeah. Would totally be accountable. If everyone else were right? Yeah. I'll do it. As soon as other people start taking their chair for sponsored bills, which is just like blame two point. Now, it's blamed built on blame. Because you're like, well, if they stop pointing the finger, then all stop pointing the finger, right? But it really takes one person to break the pattern by saying I'm going to stop doing that in my sphere. And it's incredible. To see how that compounds because once there's a section of a company or part of a family or a piece of a relationship where the blame game isn't happening any longer the other person could still be doing it all day. But if the other person's doing true accountability, healthy accountability. Then the toxic the toxicity and the dysfunction doesn't manifest as strongly as it would otherwise. Yeah. Jen. Await I'm doing it wrong that I love because you can let the I don't wanna say wind onto the sales. But you can you can almost detoxify your environment by going, look, you might not be taking kind of -bility, but I'm going to. So I'm no longer going to allow you to all this blame. You're putting on me. I'm just going to go in filter that through my purifier of traditional legit accountability. So you can dump all the blame on me that you want. But I'm only going to accept the part that actually is mine. Yeah. That's a big part. And there's a discipline to that. And that's that what you just described is really important and that in some ways is harder than just shifting liberal language of blame. That's having a good internal compass of you know, I could be on the receiving end of a lot of toxicity or a lot of finger pointing, but it's up to me to decide how much of that is going to mean some right like realistically. No. It isn't my fault that the entire project failed. Yes, I should have done a better job in screening. These two vendors or whatever but legitimately there were three other managers. Everybody was using these vendors. Nobody had a problem until the end. This is not one hundred percent Jordan's fault. Right. So let's let's let's get out of this meeting with a few take was number one. The next time we go through a round of a vendor selection. I'm going to be a lot more diligent, and I'm gonna make sure that we check these boxes before we hire somebody because that's what got us into trouble. That's on me. I'm glad I learned it that won't happen again. Right. But the fact that nobody said anything for six months, even though everybody seems to have been aware of the problem the whole time that is not all on me. Yeah. That's not all on me. So can we fix that? Can you guys tell me when you see problems with our vendors? I can't imagine somebody being like no not going to tell you someone to be like. Yeah, that's fair. I saw you take accountability. For your piece you've opened a window for me to take out ability for mine. Exact. So that's kind of how it can go and practice the other big way to to institutionalize accountability is to create a practice, and let's go we've sort of been touching on it. But. Turning accountability. Into a practice means returning to the framework in this article when negative situations arise. So when an instance of blaming comes up, and you know, you haven't been able to stop it in the moment when it arises, you can always fall back on the policy and the procedure that we've been talking about here, you can take a step back and notice the external ization taking place, and you can choose to walk through the steps that we've covered and find a more productive way through the conflict. You can even honestly you can even make this daily or weekly practice, which I know a lot of a lot of leaders. Do you can do it in your own life, and you can do it with your team, and that could be just a twenty minute conversation where you guys get together and take stock of all of the instances of blaming that came out that week. Yeah. Blame a blaming inventory. Sure. Interesting. I mean, you could do that and say like, hey, remember when we were we missed that deadline on that competition that architecture competition, I'm totally pulling from my friends life right now because he works in an architecture firm where they have to submit these architectural proposals on these. Really tight timelines for these competitions. It's really intense, and there's so many work streams. So there's constant miscommunication and people are getting pieces and late or early or, you know, they're they're still figuring out how to how to make it all work. And and so it's a perfect environment for blame. Because you know, there's so many moving pieces you could easily point your finger at one of the five o'clock in the morning, totally regularly. A couple times a week. I think they're doing that. So like, you know, that's a moment where you could say okay on Tuesday. I got really mad at Jake for not turning in the work stream. But I also didn't check in with him. And I just wanna call out. I I totally could done that. I'm going to be better about that next time and also Jake I need you to get me this on the you know, what I mean like he guys can kind of parse the situation after the fact and next week when the same situation arises, you're put you've put yourself in a situation to make sure that that doesn't happen. Exactly the same way again. So that can be a really powerful practice on your own. It could be with your family with your team at work because that's how you institutionalize accountability. And make it a culture as opposed to just. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think I remember this like vague checklist. That I can do in my own head from time to time. It can't be a way of doing business as a final thought what I really love is that accountability. Is it tends to be anyway infectious because just as we can decide were only going to accept the portion of blame that is ours when we're being accountable other people will often follow that example, because I think once we see one or two people doing it, we decide or at least in my case, we decide this healthier. Everyone's sharing the burden it lightens the load for everyone. And even all the most ardent blamer are going to kind of go. Oh, this is actually solving the problem. So we feel crappy less often. Why don't we all adopt this strategy? So anybody, but the most pathological toxic blamer will probably follow suit. And that's a kind of a big deal because that means that you are actually in charge of this because you can decide to take accountability and other people mostly will follow you. Totally. I mean, when we blame other people we make it much easier for them to point the finger back at us. And when we internalize too much, we also signal that we're willing to put up with that externalisation, right? Like, we signal that other people should internalize their reactions to. So we model either way we model the behavior that is going to continue to perpetuate in the office or in the family. So when you stop blaming, and you start owning you set a tone and a standard for how to navigate those situations that becomes a template, and that template is an example. But it's also, you know, a way to show people how you want to interact with them you say, I'm not going to approach you like the enemy, even if there was a mistake that you made going to push myself as the enemy, even when there's an sake that I made I want us both to take ownership of the pieces that are ours. When you do the work of stepping up and accepting your part, you give people to safety. And that's what it is. It's safety. They feel safer stepping up and taking ownership of their part of it. That's why it's infectious because there's something about this model. It makes it possible for people to interact in a whole new way. There's a lot to this. It's simpler than it sounds probably because taking accountability is actually not that hard in principle. It can just be kind of tough bump to get over our tough hurdle to get over initially. There's a lot more in the article that we created about this again, that's linked in the show notes. But the ultimate impact of this is accountability breeds accountability. It just kind of takes one brave soul to kick things off at first and you end up in a place where the impulse to blame has gone instead the impulse to take accountability is what's present. You'll find your team your business. Your family is much more productive enjoyable, frankly. And you'll also be able to quickly identify those who are the toxic blame earth because they will kind of refuse to engage in this process entirely. They will just go. Well, normally, I would but it still all jen's fault. It's still your this one's one hundred percent, you're they just can't. Do it. They require therapy. We can't you can what's the expression you can lead a horse to water, but can't force them to drink. But at least then you've identified the person who's a toxic blamer because when we have a culture of blame everyone looks like that. And then as soon as one or two people take accountability and the rest follow suit. And then there's one sort of outlier who just won't do it. They really out themselves as the person who is the problem. Yeah. That's interesting. It's easier to see that behavior. When it's when it's rare in the right place. When it's when it's part of the culture, then it's impossible to see it or say everyone's doing it. So why all out one person? But you know, you're right. I don't I didn't mean to paint such a sentimental picture of how could be like one person becomes accountable in the whole office changes. Of course, not. But then if there one or two people who don't want to take ownership of their piece of stuff while everybody else's and they just refuse to change. Then now, you have some some real political capital social capital to to address the problem because you're not saying listen. Everyone else in this office is taking ownership of what they can. And you're not and they're like, yeah. But you're not either. It's like well. No, I am now literally everyone else literally everyone else. So now like that conversation can come from a more, honest and authoritative place because you're actually modeling the behavior that you expect in the other person. Right. So everything I think becomes less dysfunctional, everything becomes more productive. You're absolutely right. And by the way, this isn't just about workplaces or families. This is about relationships in every regard. It's like, how do you treat the person and traffic, how do you treat your best friend? How do you treat your parents? Like all of it depends on taking ownership of the right stuff and giving them the invitation to take ownership of their stuff. That's right. Hope you're listening. Jen. Jen's over there. Like, yeah. I'm not the problem. Stop blaming. That's funny. Jordan cute. Thank you very much. This has been super informative. I think it's really useful. Because again, I lived in a blame culture for a while and my old business, and it was massively toxic. That people go. Wow, you've rebuilt the whole German harbinger show in one year. And like what's your secret? And it's yes, there's an element of. Well. We knew all these mistakes. We didn't have to make again. Yes, we had a lot of connections. A lot of it was figuring out that if you take accountability you make a mistake once not four hundred times, and that turns out saves you a lot of time and effort occurs. It is crazy. Yeah. Thank you, very much gave my pleasure. Great big. Thank you to gave Mizrahi as always making me sound smarter than I am. I always appreciate that. If you want to know how I managed to keep all these amazing folks in my network, well got huge personal and professional network and they often overlap. It's made me a very happy and successful person. And I would love for you to learn the same skills. I'm teaching you how to do this for free over at Jordan. Harbinger dot com, slash course. It's our course six minute networking and don't do it later. Do it. Now. I know you think you're going to do it later dig the well before you're thirsty. People come on. You can't leverage those relationships if you don't have them in the drills take just a few minutes per day. You can find all that at Jordan. Harbinger dot com, slash course. Speaking of building relationships, tell me your number one takeaway here from this episode on blame I'm at Jordan harbinger on both Twitter and Instagram, and there's a video of this show on our YouTube channel at Jordan. Harbinger dot com slash YouTube. This show is produced in association with podcast one. In this episode is co produced by Jason don't blame me Filipo and Jen harbinger shown. Worksheets are by Robert Fogerty, and I'm your host Jordan harbinger. Remember, we rise by lifting others the fee for this episode is that you share it with friends when you find something useful, which should be in every episode. So please share the show with those you love and even those you don't in the meantime, dear best to apply. What you hear on the show? So you can live. What you listen. And we'll see you next time. A lot of people ask me what podcasts I listen to? And I've got one of my regular rotation called the art of manliness. I'm sure y'all have heard of it. I've got Brett McKay here with me today. And Brett you actually had a guy on recently who talked about the warriors manifesto sounded kind of grandiose. So I gave it a listen. But tell me about this episode. This was the guy named Daniel Modell. He is interesting guy. He's a twenty year veteran of the New York City police department, but he also has his bachelor's degree in philosophy. And so what he did in this book. The warriors manifesto is sort of combine both worlds of philosophy in his work as a New York City detective to explore it. What does it mean to be a warrior, and he's talking about first responders police officers military, and he goes to history to extract lessons. We look set Spartacus, right? The guy led the slave revolt in Rome. And then he also explores why violence is necessary for peace people are culpable uncomfortable that idea, but it's true the gets into leadership how bureaucracy. Crecy can kill leadership. And why you know, you don't need to be a have a title of leader to be a leader. So if you are interested in law enforcement, military stuff, a lot of great ideas there. But also, if you're just in leadership, you're gonna find a lot of inside there too. And that's episode four fifty two and we'll link to that in the show notes. Thanks a lot. Brett, thank you.
Teller (Part 2)
"In What do you think makes a perfect foolish act? For me, a Hulas Act is one in which I am completely gobsmacked. I mean a perfect fool as is one in which I go, I don't have a clue. which I feel. Deeply and totally amazed the there are some acts that don't that sometimes win on our show because we don't have details about their their methods, but the don't quite give me that feeling. But what? I. What I'm inquest of is the feeling that that what I'm looking at for I don't have a clue I mean it's just that that that that impulsive Gotcha in into magic at the beginning which is being fooled and going. I'm looking for. This, this might be like picking a favorite child, but at. Some standout performances. You've seen on the show. Can you pick a couple and explain why they resonated with you? Sure. Let me, think I I've seen so many acts. I mean there's there's one act on this year. That I will tell you whether she fooled us or not, but I will tell you it is the greatest Quick Change Act. You've ever seen in your life and it's an absolute miracle I. Mean You are watching what you always dreamed. Quick Change with look like and your jaw is on your chest own time. When When Helen Cognition I came on the show you know she helen cognizant Australian of. Very. Straightforward you know Ozzie kind of here. You are boys. Can you figure out my trick? I absolutely love her all the time whenever she comes on I I've only figured out one thing. He ever brought us she and her ninety something year-old father come up with these extremely clever things, and our presentation is forthright. I loved being fooled by. John Lubbock handsome Jack because he completely utterly did a sucker gag on me naked. He did determine restored paper in a way. That looked exactly like the Chinese laundry ticket. Had bought when I was. Six years old and you know anything. He finishes up and then he just handed it to me do I. Either the it was just there there was there was a great joy in being VAT thoroughly suckered. Anything of Vita Paul Gertner is quite wonderful and Paul Gertner also. Does all of those levels of subtle that allow a magician to go all that that's what he must be doing all I. Don't have it now. You know so, that's that's fun. I love the number I. Pretty nearly every. Woman Magician that we've had on. The show has been very good at which is no surprise, because as as with doctors for years and years, magic was just a men's club and and so for women have the stamina to with withstand all of prejudice that. Women have had withstand magic. Already a great credit to the person's the person's character, but lately we've we've been. We've been seeing women who have been A. Extraordinarily inventive and creative and personal, so that they're not really just repeating the kinds of things that men have done for years. You know there's there's there's the style of of female magician who will come out in a tailcoat do do. Card fans, that's okay, but that's not really bringing a woman's perspective into it and. Particularly this year again you will see on the show some. Amazing some women who just who just said wait a minute I'm a woman I have things to work with. The men don't have to work with. Thanksgiving. Vanishing co-founders anti clapping unjust. Jay have both appeared on. The experience was amazing. I've interviewed many magicians on this show. Who've who've agreed with them? How do you set up the production side of things so you would make the magicians appearing on the show feels comfortable. Well I can't take a lot of credit for that. For the first few years of the show. That was the a lot of what made that work was the combination of Johnny Thompson. Originally just Johnny Thompson, and then for a while Johnny Thompson, Mike close and now Johnny Guide and Mike. Mike is taken over Mike. Was The you know the the the the The the key person this this last season. any We want everyone who comes on to come off magnificently, so magicians arrive and are warmly welcomed, and then are given time to rehearse on stage very often. Wallner in we get rehearse on stage. With the assistance of somebody like my clothes, who has a great sense of humor? And who will he not only knows? Will this do the trick will be? More will be more deceptive if you do this. Mike also will say even a joke here and no not. So when the Germans arrived their support immediately, they're supported encouraged by by the people we have because everyone wants them to look I mean nobody nobody ever in fact I believe. Everyone in the entire crew wants them to fool us. They that's their. They're the ASS of everybody. Mean kind of including US it is. We really want people to come on and foolish, so there's tremendous support. then. We really truly don't know who's going to be on. The show ever It's We're kept a complete separate location. Sometimes we will be in town. Who are good friends of ours and they will tell us their in town because. It would would give away the fact that that's the that's what's going on. There kept in a completely separate location from us. And then when when they come out, there was a moment before the cameras roll were basically both go. Hi thank you so much for coming in and really let them know that they're. They're Honored guests and we're rooting for them. And then. I I think that kind of accounts accounts for most of it that. We're treating them well. We're treating them as we would like to be treated. At, back to back to the thing, you said a television, not being a good example, he making it good example. Yeah I I guess I. I should mention how Great Joshua was on on the show, just great. Him Ready. Where did the idea review in penn standing outside chatting to everybody after a show? Come from an on, you drained out. Well, I mean. It's something that I'm afraid won't be won't last for What resume for some time. If it began I, mean we. We've always been in the midst of the crowd. We've never been people who You know sort of a separated ourselves off with the velvet rope for the show. we don't you know after a show, we don't hop into the limousine. Fly Away. When we when we I work the very first gigs that we got were street performance. You can't get away from the crowd there they are they, are they? Are they're they're part of the show? They are art of you. Then replaceable theaters, one of the first of all he played, there was no stage door. You couldn't get out from backstage without walking right through the auditorium, so we started the end the shows by walking through the auditorium, just hanging out in the lobby now. Why performer would not do that is amazing to me. I, mean I. Guess I can understand if I if I- Mick Jagger and I have you know fifteen thousand people in a stadium or a hundred thousand people stadium? I'M NOT GONNA have time, and and I'm probably going to be treated somewhat roughly by people who have served vitalized me from afar. We've never been that that that's accessible. You know if you've got successful I can understand being more this. But when you're only when you've only got it auditory in that Scott in our case, fifteen hundred seats in it if you're if you're willing to hang out outside the theater for what is usually half hour forty five minutes. The amount of fun. That is is really hard to To to exaggerate it. A. Meeting people from all over the world, they a meeting, people who have a come to see the show sometimes spending a lot more money than they spend on anything else they really. Are Happy to. See! I have this generations of people now. We've been in business for so long generations of people. Who Come to the show so I think the the one. The. Perfect moment for me is the moment when a guy came up to me and said. I WANNA. Tell you when I was seven years old. I was on stage I was a kid onstage stage with Mo fo the psychic gorilla I still remember that. I'd like to introduce you to buy seven year old son. So. Why wouldn't you do that if you could, but you know now I? We were we when the pandemic I it and we got word of it. People said well just don't shake hands and touch your face. Wash your hands before that so we. Did that but there was about a week of shows when when the contagion was really spreading when we were at risk and just didn't know it. Fortunately at the end of the shooting of of a fool us I mean it's just fortunate that. We had just lead scheduled. Fool us such a way that it skirted disaster. No one zero no-one an involved in fool US came down with any symptoms of anything. It's pure pure sherlock. Often many years without publishing material for other magicians. What made you want to tackle something like masterclass? you know I I was a schoolteacher of for six years before I went into this this line of work and a when you've been around for a while. Sometimes you have stuff that's worthwhile to say. My my own instinct is wild I'm doing material. That's not material that I want to publish yet. And certainly I would I think I would be remiss. If sometime before I'm dead We don't publish material that we are no longer using. And so. The. The the disinclination to publish material is just. when you publish it, you're inviting other people to do it and. Are, things that I would rather keep exclusive for now. Of masterclass was an opportunity to take all of that experience that we have the we've had and Talk about the things that we've learned in interesting ways I it was. It was a great deal of fun and the masterclass organization really knows its way around those those that for math and they made it. They made it look very elegant. They We shot the entire. own course in three or four days long days but then they took it away, and they came back, and they organized it beautifully. You know they took things that were by themselves, not very satisfactory, but put in context very useful. They you know they should. We can take credit for the knowledge, but they they should take credit for the arcus of that and you know it was also a as it turns out of Johnny, Thompsons less TV, appearance and and. It's wonderful just wonderful that he was part of that. For sure. Maas three, can you? Took a little about the T S Eliot. The about every venture is a new beginning a raid on the articulate. Renew inarticulate, sorry, inarticulate with shabby equipment, always deteriorating. You know. It's true that if you're going to do something new. It's always you're always starting from zero. Now, that's not always the case sometimes in especially if we have to produce a lot of material we will. We will adapt something in. We will find a way of adapting an existing trick with a new new idea. but I'm always resentful of magicians who say oh. There are no new ideas in magic. It's all you know. They usually say it's all all wine in new bottles, but I would rather say it's. It's all new and old bottles as though there. As, though they're. Just. Repackaging some. Some lightweight idea in a in a way. That looks very classy, but I resent people who say. Everything is just the same as the past you've just gotTa. Do it again and again, and so I'm I'm drawn that T S Eliot quote in which he complains that after all the years he spent writing every time he starts writing it starting with a blank page and he has to come ag again then he has to go through the same process again. Things, don't get easier. Really the you do get a little smarter about your choices and you do learn a bit a process I mean I'll give you an example. I think when you know when I was twenty I believe that I would if I wanted to build a box trick. I would design it. Build it and it wouldn't. and I'd be surprised and disappointed nowadays if I wanted to build a box trick. I would get the idea for. Iraq together something in cardboard and see if anything about it could possibly work. If, that was encouraging. We do another version in plywood. and. Again we modify it down and do it. Step by step by step by step in nothing that you think of ever comes out the way you vision in Vishnu. You've got a test. Every little thing step by step by step by step. I'm doing that right now. With one of the things that were the recreating I was over last night I was over at Tom. Rabin knows House Tommy knows brilliant magic builder in Las Vegas. Just brilliant, he's built several things for us before. He's built things for Carbonaro and and. met the. Franko He's he's built for a lot of people and he really knows what he's doing, but he knows just like. I know. You gotta go step by step by step show last night. I spent an hour and A. In his kitchen because his workshop was too high, the middle of the desert. In his kitchen in the end zone sabre saw his measuring tapes and stuff, and we modified this. Try this and modify this. Try this for one beat. In a big routine. That's the one thing I can say that. You've got to understand. If you're creating actual new stuff, it is going to take time. It's just the first idea that you get will not work and that's just fine. Because once you spend enough time with it, you will get better and better and better ideas harder. Part of what happens would have what is called. Practice practice isn't just repeating the same thing over and over again, That's that's stupid. That's that's that's pointless. Practice is doing something again and again and again and each time getting better ideas and applying those better ideas one after the other after the other. Very frequently when I'm sitting in my TV. I will have a deck of cards with because I'm still not happy with the way I control car to the top of the deck, so I keep experimenting with this look more natural with more half trump. Would this fit me? Is this is this? Is this comfortable for me? So that's when t S. Eliot says that I fully understand that but I don't think of it as a as a negative I. Think of it as you just need to know when you're starting on a new bed. The magnitude of what it is you're trying to do, and you also don't want to stop the first time you perform that Johnny at Janis. Says said the Senate said there was. Will never forget this most magician. Stop thinking to sue. You know you need to get it out in front of an audience. You need to work with it. You need to say Oh. Yeah, this would be so much better if I did this, and then you take it back and start again. Until you get, get to what you're trying to do because we are in an extraordinarily difficult for. What we are doing must look perfectly impossible, absolutely perfectly impossible. That's a very very high demand I mean. It's magic sort of off on switch either it's magic, or it's crack and you know it's. It's ludicrous crap, too. So it is really really important to just keep continually improving it because it's such a difficult artform. For those of of us, lucky enough to have had Johnny Thomson in our life to sit out the front and say no. You should have done it like this into it like that. What are some ways? The people listening to this can. Go down that journey of improvement if that just kind of on their own. I think by by by not being on the RAW. There I think you you need. Magic is a social for the. You can't do magic in a vacuum. The maybe a violinist can play a beautiful piece of music for himself and get a certain a certain satisfaction out of. Magic is not that way. Magic is a communication it's it's much like. It's much like comedy in that. It doesn't exist. Comedy doesn't exist unless there's an audience there to get the joke and laugh, so I think one a central thing which you should do is utilize people in in partnership to to. Watch what they're doing. There's so many levels at which people can be helpful is. It's helpful just to just to have someone volunteer to watch what you're doing. It's helpful to have somebody who is skillful. Watching what you're doing and saying you might try. Have you thought about it? This way I I say this very much in the forefront of my mind, not only because I do this with each other all the time constantly, and it's one of the reasons that we've been able to produce as much material as we have because the other night. I had done a little talk for for Tannin's magic camp and met Franko. A fellow magician intel wonderful performer had been on the program. Also, he wrote me a little complementary email and said if I can ever be of use to you. Let me know and There was a problem that I was stuck on for peace. Independent are working and I was stuck on it. You know the way you sometimes. You just can't break loose you you go around the circle and I wrote back them at one zoom right now. Anyway. Okay, and he's zoomed and I told him what the situation was. was and we talked, and part of the answer came out of the fact that I have been of socks just around the corner there and part of the answer for Matt saying you could end it with this, and suddenly broke the logjam and I said map. You have anything you want. You're working on right now. And he said we'll actually yeah I. got this this routine that I'm working on. Do you have time to look at it? I sent short so I watched that and afterwards we talked about it and I. Think maybe we're able to do a little bit of a breakthrough to to. To unstick him on the problem that he was that he was dealing with so I think a appealing to other people and not being so damned. Terrified you know magicians you just the they often are terrified. They're charted getting caught. Well I'm afraid. That part of getting good is getting caught. So you know, do the do the perform whatever it is that you're working on four somebody whether they're an audience. That skill was not instance unskilled. The conversation will help. Advance the art. Thank you. Can you talk a little bit about lying without talking? I understood you. I realized the power of this back in college days within the race abates razor blade swallowing. It's very interesting thing. I was I was a strong rebel against patter. Because I thought most, the time pattern was awfully redundant. Here I have a bowl I'm putting it into my hand, and now it's gone i. mean it's just flat. Why would you ever say those words yet? A lot of people did and I thought I really just not as an experiment. Can I, get the audience to tell themselves the story that I want them to tell themselves by putting by action by putting evidence out here in letting them add this to that and come to a conclusion, which is in our case, we desire is a false, but artistically beautiful conclusion. Of. Suva, it started as that experiment and as I did it. I discovered A. Kind of extraordinary. Quality that not talking has. And that is when you stop talking. People are forced to think look and study. What's going on? There is a level of intimacy. That that you that you get that, you don't have when they're words between you if I stop right now. Suddenly the whole temperature of the room changes. It becomes intimate. It becomes really powerfully intimate. I noticed this very dramatically when I grow that that that rule what I was I working on the red, ball trick. Because that kind of trick had always been done to music A. Musician that works with us Mike. Jones wrote a great little composition to go with my routine. And it. The routine was not really hitting very well. and One night he had had some emergency surgery. And I thought well. I'll just do it to track I. Tried doing that and that was terrible that I thought i. let's just try doing it dead silent. And that that moment. The moment that the ball hit the floor. You could hear it the moment. There's a slightest Russell reaction from the audience. I hear that the conversation had resumed where the musical patter had been in the way. So I'm very interested in that in that experience and you'll see that weaves in and out. You don't want an entire show done that way I. Don't think I conceive of a kind of working, but. There is a great important place for speech, but it's GonNa. Be Speech as interesting as the speech. Depend us. You don't have that. If you don't have that interest in that kind of language. Maybe you should try. Not speaking in May might work for you. It happens to work for me because something about the way I. Think it's almost as if the audience can read my mind. I'm I'm really I never act? Act I never really make faces I never know that sort of clown stuff I just think thoughts that I would think if the thing were really happening. And, somehow or other, the Orient seems to be able to read that on my body, and it's very It's a weird. It's a weird experience. is almost you know if I if I believed in that sort of thing, it seem. It seems almost telepathic in that. They are really reading what I'm thinking, but I know they're. They're reading what they're seeing. When Italy entered time I just. Wanted to say ask you really whether the. Whether you've enjoyed this forced time off that we've all had at the moment has been a welcome breather for you or are you just Ansi to get back to performing? I i. Miss Performing Very Much. I have to say I'm. I'm also not somebody who spends a lot of time wailing over what he can't have. That doesn't seem to be very efficient. so I'm you know I'm trying to? I'm trying to do. What I can to continue to exercise the. Of Artistic impulses that make me me. without the without the ninety percents of an audience for however long. This is going to be you know I I again. I think that we're talking about a year or year and a half. I'm seventy two years old year a year and a half this much time in the course of that I can learn to live with that I can learn to to take advantage of that. To you doing to scratch those autistic pictures? Well. Primarily working on new material, I mean that's that is what what we're doing I'm also. I've I've been. Making the beginnings of write ups of some of the the Penn and teller material with the intention that by the time I'm ready to publish. Their will have accumulated all of that. All of that stuff because I really would I'd I'd like not to not to pass out of this world without leaving some good. A gifts for people who are also in the art form I mean I when I think about how much I learned from. look through the Great Robert Harbin Book on which I bought when a team out that. And now Harbin is gone, but still if you if you really want to understand the zigzag. You don't don't watch people do it on TV. Read what Robert Harvard has to say about it, because you will really understand if you if you take advantage of the gift. He left us. you will. You will really understand why. That trick is incredibly beautiful and powerful. And you won't get that out of some addition who you know who puts it on wheels and dances, And does it. Does it as the quick flash effect? Because it's not, it's not. Be Magic. It's a very deep fool. You've just excited every single person listening to this show with took of that book. Could you tell us anything more about wet where it's at? Your where where it's at is. Halfway through the first, the first draft of a chapter on the the needle trick. I have I have a probably five pages of of of notes on shadows That's that's about where it is. It's this. Long Term Project that I I have told myself. If you ever get time off, you'll do. It's very hard to do I mean. Writing is one of the loneliest hardest things you could possibly do. but I'm I'm hoping that. I mean depending on how long the pandemic goes. We'll see how much of that gets done now. Well. That's a very exciting bombshell to end the show on Tele- thank you so much for giving us so much of your time to soften I really really appreciate you know I do a lot of interviews here and there and this is one of the nicest. I've ever done because your questions are. Not The obvious ones and they're thoughtful and deepen. Thank. You thank you.