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"hampton roads conference" Discussed on History That Doesn't Suck

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07:34 min | 5 months ago

"hampton roads conference" Discussed on History That Doesn't Suck

"States get to work ratifying the thirteenth amendment. Lincoln moves on other pressing business a fresh round of peace negotiations. So I mentioned these peace talks a few minutes ago but let me give you a few more details. Last December Francis Blair senior pushed for and finally got authorization to try to open peace talks with the say again, sure the attempt to July eighteen, sixty, four that you heard about an episode, sixty six was a total bust but Lincoln went along with Francis his idea figuring there was no harm in trying again, the rail splitter permits Francis to travel to Richmond. But not to speak on behalf of the United States government. Well that was good enough for Francis. Francis and Jeff meet on January eleventh and Twelfth Eighteen, sixty five we can't be sure what they discussed but jeff ended up asking Francis to deliver a note directly to Lincoln it read. I am willing to enter into negotiations for the restoration of peace and I'm ready to send a commission whenever I have a reason to suppose it will be received or to receive a commission if the United States government should choose send one. That notwithstanding the rejection of our former office I would if you could promise that a commissioner minister, other agent would be received a point one immediately and renew the effort to enter into conference with a view to secure apiece for the two countries. Did you catch that subtle last line the two countries yell Lincoln. saw that too. So the wordsmith president always deft with found pen responded with a note offering to negotiate with the view of securing peace to the people of our one common country. Yeah are one common country, Touche Mr Lincoln. It's pretty clear that neither Jeff nor Lincoln believe any peace talks can be productive citizens both want fundamentally different things but they agreed to send agents to try anyway. On January twenty, ninth three, CSI commissioners arrived under flag of truce at Fort Monroe, Virginia Secretary of State William Henry seward soon, joined them but the talks are almost stillborn on February second one day after signing the thirteenth amendment proposal. Lincoln here's that the confederate agents might not be trustworthy and considers calling the whole thing off. General Ulysses Grant Steps in euless telegraphs his boss and explains their intentions are good and their going back without any expression from anyone in authority will have a bad influence. Leeann trusts ulysses. The general's endorsement of CSI agents keeps the talks live. So. The rail splitter replies to General in chief say to the gentleman I will meet them personally at fortress Monroe as soon as I can get there. Two hours later, the president stands a train platform in Washington. DC trying to look casual his valet stands yards away holding Lincoln's overnight bag. A doubt very many people believe that the gangly lined war-wary president is taking a casual train ride through the countryside though it's obvious, he could use one. No He's headed to a war zone. Lincoln will take a train and then esteem at Fort Monroe mere miles from the battle. Lines Petersburg. Takes all afternoon and evening, but the president arrived safely. The next morning Lincoln boards the River Queen Steamer anchored a few miles from Fort Monroe near Hampton roads, the president and his Secretary of State William Henry. seward sit down on the saloon there soon, joined by the confederate commission Siyassa vp Alexander Stevens Xia. Say of State Robert Hunter and former US Supreme Court justice John Campbell who. Chaff is bringing up the heavy hitters for this meeting. The Hampton Roads Conference gets underway. Now, these guys all go away back. So they spend the first little while reminiscing catching up without reporters no takers and political advisors intervening Alexander brings the meeting back to its original purpose. He turns to Lincoln and asks well, Mr. President is there no way of putting an end to the present trouble and bring about a restoration of the general good feeling and harmony then existing between the different states and sections of the country? Lincoln doesn't beat around the Bush. He responds to the confederate VP. There is but one that I know of, and that is for those who are resisting the laws of the Union to cease that resistance. That opens the floodgates of discussion. Over whisky and cigars the foreman talk seriously about slavery the newly pass thirteenth. amendment. The possibility of federal compensation of slave owners and the restoration of Union. Lincoln suggests that southern states could ratify the proposed amendment as soon as they chose to restore their quote practical relations to the Union close quote. CSI agents are surprised to hear this. They don't believe that Congress will behave with such benevolence towards seated states but discussion moves Then Alexander suggests that the civil war could be put on hold to deal with the recent French invasion of Mexico. Lincoln doesn't think that's a good idea to put it mildly the only way Lincoln. We'll consider a ceasefire as reunification the restoration of the Union as a CNA quay non with me I will listen to no proposal that does not include an immediate restoration of the national thority? We can tone his harsh. Genial country lawyer always ready with the mood lightning antidote Robert Hunter sees it the conversation has hit an impasse but Alexander continues to press the idea that confederate and federal armies put their differences aside and join up to fight the invading French. Robert Watches with a combination of horror and amusement has Alexander tries to convince Lincoln. His scheme will lead to Mexico's liberation and eventual reunification. The former confederate secretary of state reports extent to which he carried. These opinions was strange made. Lincoln refuses to agree to Alexander's plants. His three firm demands of the confederacy. Lincoln and William Henry Seward won't budge on reunification the abolition of slavery and a ceasefire in the war Jeff Davis is agents can't agree to any of those terms. Both sides understand they cannot give into what the other wants. A four hour meeting comes close without making any agreements. The reports of the Hampton Roads Conference become public north, and south have strong reactions. Harper's weekly gushes praise for Lincoln. Quote if there is any man in the country who comprehends the scope of the war more fully than the president who is he? We venture to say that there is no man in our history who has shown a more felicitous combination of temperament conviction and ability to grapple with a complication like that in which the country is involved than. Abraham Lincoln. Jeff Davis takes the opportunity of more failed peace talks to bolster the confederacies will to win. I can have no common country with the Yankees. My life is bound up in the confederacy, and if any man's opposes that under any circumstances, I can be an agent of reconstruction of the Union. He has mistaken every element of my nature..

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"hampton roads conference" Discussed on History That Doesn't Suck

History That Doesn't Suck

08:04 min | 5 months ago

"hampton roads conference" Discussed on History That Doesn't Suck

"The confederacy is dying and today will hear William to come Sherman hammered some of the nails into its coffin. This is his march to the sea from Atlanta to Savannah Georgia. But should he be glorified as a god of war or villainous as a war criminal? It's a debate that still rages among some Americans in the twenty first century. So we'll look at all the angles and let you sort it out for yourself. We'll touch on his army heading to Columbia then get to riding, fighting, debating and compromising on one of the most famous constitutional amendments. The thirteenth. Yes, after sixty eight episodes, it's time to constitutionally banned slavery from there. We'll check out another attempt to hash out. He's terms at the Hampton. Roads, conference. So, let's leave this final naval battle of the civil war at Fort Fisher behind go meet up with General Sherman in Atlanta. That means heading back several months and you know how we do that. rewind. It's September eighteen, sixty four and we're back in Atlanta Georgia. This is slightly familiar turf, but it's been a few weeks since episodes sixty five. So let me set the stage. We came here with Union General William tecumseh Sherman Aka comp as he his massive three army division of the Mississippi, departed Tennessee and defeated confederate General Joseph, Johnston and John Bell Hood on the. Way. To this all important city in the peach state but John doesn't give up easily like Confederate Cavalry General Nathan Bedford Forrest the aggressive one legged John Bell. Hood has now taken to attack and come supply lines. These two generals aren't doing a bad job of it. Either their unified harassment is proving a bit of a thorn in the red headed union generals side. Confederate President Jefferson Davis is making quite the to do of this as well. Jeff traveling the CSI giving speeches you know lifting spirits in the will to fight speaking to a large Macon Georgia crowd on September twenty third he predicts the supply line of tax will bring about customized. Sherman cannot keep up his long line of Communication and retreat sooner or later he must, and when that day comes the fate that befell the army of the French Empire in its retreat from Moscow will be reenacted. Our Cavalry and our people will harass destroy his army as did the Cossacks that of Napoleon and the Yankee General, him will escape with only a bodyguard. What a rousing thought for beleaguered confederate loyal southerners that like the French Conquer Napoleon Bonaparte who in eighteen twelve cut his way across continents smashed Moscow only to be forced into a retreat that ultimately cost him. His Empire come to shall retreat with his tail between his legs. Of. Course, the comparison has one significant shortcoming. The Russian winter was a major contributor to the downfall of billion defaults say in his over half a million strong gov. That's the point. Ulysses s grant can't help but make when he reads about the speech in a newspaper. Who is the furnish the snow for this Moscow retreat. Damn solid rejoinder euless. If Jeff does get some Moscow snow. I think the first thing he will do is apply to that burn. Witty riposte aside comes growing tired of fighting off confederates trashing his supply lines. Furthermore, he has no interest in fighting this war on his foes terms. The Red Bearded Union general says is much while laying out and aggressive play to ulysses aide-de-camp Horace Porter. I could cut a swath through to the C., divide the confederacy, and to be able to move up in the rear of Lee both Jeff Davis according to the tone of his recent speeches and hood want me to fall back. That is just the reason why I want to go forward. Come soon, sends a lengthy account detailing the plan you list but let me quote his October ninth telegram to the General in chief, which is far more sustained note though this isn't just about taking territory, it has a psychological element. Quote it will be physical impossibility to protect this road now that Hood Forrest Wheeler. In the whole batch of devils are turned loose by attempting to hold the roads we will lose a thousand men monthly and will gain no result I can make the March and make Georgia Howell we can forge in the interior of the state. Yeah you heard that right. He'll compensate for ditching the costly supply line by letting his army forage as they traversed the state in doing. So here comes the psychology he'll make Georgia Hal. Okay that sounds almost diabolical. So let's get into comps head and get after his philosophy I. Think it's crucial to know the Ohio and commander is no sadist. He doesn't enjoy inflicting pain but after years of witnessing the cruelty of war, it's his understanding that the fight only stops when the enemy is defeated in the mind when they lose the will to fight. To quote him again, we cannot change the hearts of those people of the south, but we can make war. So terrible make them so sick of war that generations pass away before they would again appeal to it. So the COMP smashing confederate morale is crucial to finally ending this bloodletting life in war agree with him or not. That's your perogative at least now, you know where he's coming from and after expressing considerable doubt his bff you list and the president decided to let this general with experienced four gene off the land from Vicksburg undertake this dangerous course. The first thing comes does is split his forces marching just under three hundred miles from Atlanta to the coast with less than reliable maps or supplies isn't for the week. So only the strongest veteran soldiers will participate. Did, you ever see the movie three hundred with Jeld Butler where every one of the Spartan soldiers looks like. A right out superhero it might be overkill. Say That's what everyone of the sixty two thousand soldiers accompanying comp look like under their union blue but that's the general idea. These men are medical staff approved gods of war. Generally we're talking the army of the Tennessee and army of Georgia's for th and twentieth course, he's leaving roughly sixty thousand behind with general. George. Thomas. But as we know from the previous episode, these guys aren't bad either they'll put an end to John Bell Hood's whole army at Nashville Tennessee. Before beginning their march on November fifteenth eighteen, sixty, four, come sixty, two, thousand start by putting the torch to Atlanta the city took its hits when the union captured it partly due to Yankee artillery partly due to RABS burning their own stores while falling back cover this in episode sixty, five is I'm sure you recall but now that won't be union occupied. It can't be left to sucker the CS army giving us another glimpse of his hard war soft piece philosophy come tells the angered mayor of the city quote war is cruelty and you cannot refine it with piece does come you may call me for anything. Then, will I share with you the last cracker? Close quote. To that, end his men reduce the city that was home to twenty thousand people to about four hundred surviving structures. They. Then move out with the fourth corps divided into two wings on the right the army of the Tennessee's fifteenth seventeenth cores and on the left the fourteenth and twentieth cores of the Army of Georgia. COMP himself out the next morning at seven. AM He looks at the woods where his dear friend and subordinate James McPherson died in July. He looks back at Atlanta quote smoldering and ruins the black smoke rising high in air hanging like a pall over the ruined city. Close quote..

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