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Halloween Ghosts at Hampton Court Palace

Storynory

31:43 min | 1 year ago

Halloween Ghosts at Hampton Court Palace

"Hello this is Jonah and I've come to Hampton Court palace by the River Thames to get into the mood for Halloween Hampton Court Palace belonged to England's King Henry v Eight in the sixteenth century and as you may know he had six a wonderful I'm excited visit teeth or rotting in his mouth and courtier said before you heard him coming along the corridor Odia you could smell him I can testify to working here in the day and a lot of strange unexplained and frankly scary things do packed with history and I can well imagine a few ghosts I'm going to be walking around the state apartments with Sheila who leads the ghost tours at Hampton court a young people like music closed dancing and in fact she made Henry the eighth feel young again but Henry was far from the Sheila's kindly agreed to tell me the spookiest stories of the palace so Sheila thank you very much for agreeing to show me around this wonderful palace Mus galleries where he would basically walk from his private apartment alone here and you see we've got two doors to either side happen a wonderful that's exactly what I want to hear where will you take us I well I think we should start in the famous Tudor haunted gallery off the wall these doors lead to Henry the eighth and his queen whoever she was at the time their private praying rooms the top of the chapel the ground floor was that he just preferred to be alone while he said his devotion so people knew every which is man that you see in that painting just to your right hand side Henry had a waste of fifty one inches he was grossly fat most Jason Faith residents looks like a wonderful place to live but can be very scary there lots of ghosts stores here attributed to Hampton Court Palace and yes morning when Henry was at Hampton court where he was going to be an even one eat broken away from the Catholic church he still said his prayers in here every morning so how does Katherine Howard fit into that are good question now Catherine Howard was Henry Gates fifth wife and by the time she married the the chapel and Henry used to say most of his devotions in this private room next to where I'm standing and he very rarely went down into the body eighty five he couldn't do as much exercise he had an ulcer on his lake and all the sort of medical conditions slowed the king eighty who the done some great service for the crown and they could live here rent free life and they became known as where to most of the stories come from will most of the stories Jonah come from our grace-and-favour residents they were special people that lived here from seventeen six being the king was about fifty years of age Catherine was eighteen she was basis she was pretty she liked all the things that why did he let himself go so much and he was fifty he was fifty years of age well he'd always been quite healthy but he had a fall from his horse when he was twenty he ate a lot because he could afford it yet he partied and that was the price he paid thank you for that why is Katherine so in the famous gallery is quite dark and it's famous painting that must be Henry the eighth over here sheet of what does this mean all this is one of Henry's face friends before she married the king and his she'd probably been honest and told the king he would have still married but she kept this secret associated with this gallery right it was fifteen forty one and Henry and Catherine had been married for six months they were here at Hampton court to St he was old he was smelly he was no fun she didn't want to have children with him in fact he repulsed her she'd started a friendship with a gentleman at court a man called Thomas culpeper and they will round about the same age and friendship turned to love now catherine sat down and she made the biggest mistake of her life she wrote Colpepper a letter colpepper dancing playing cards giggling having fun like young people do and soon evitable happened ace but when he did the truth bore upon him and he cried like a baby and he was very angry genuinely loved her so he jen aside heard her please do you think he was gonNA open that door well I always assume that love with prevail but what happened they find out I mean how do the king find out when he found out later by chance because Catherine was here at Hampton court but what Henry didn't know was the over and celebrate Christmas but what Henry didn't know was this lovely queen of his had secret past she had two boys rooms what kind of interogations asking them questions really not so much interrogation but torture to extract the truth from them did they tell the truth didn't matter to Henry whether they told the truth or not these allegations had come to light Aspen Normal Henry was on the other side saying his morning devotions and when Catherine got here she gently knocked on I denounced at all it's a pack of lies in fact he left the letter on his desk in his private apartments and did not open it for two days she had to have a plan and legend has it that while she was under house arrest one morning she managed to escape the attention of move while investigations to these allegations were going on courtiers came to tell Henry that indeed his wife had had to housed the more desperate the poor girl became until after a minute or two she was crying begging the Henry to come out he never did the time the king was in his apartments later with his ill health a lot of time Catherine was young she wanted fun and she spent her time with and they were probably guilty sushila how did the story play out in the end will catharine with young she did not want to die. Ron System and Henry Mannix hold off to the famous tower of London the interogations Catherine was held in her please could you come out I do need to speak to you you see she had to be polite she was fighting for her life Henry on the other new in love and now he gave orders that Catherine beheld under house arrest which meant Yeomen of the guard on her door so they would watch her every in his letter it said how much she loved him and how much he wished she was his wife and how much she regretted marrying the king the boyfriend before she married Francis Theorem who was a cousin of hers and Henry Mannix a music teacher so colpepper door and probably said something like Henry it's your wife it's Catherine and to keep on praying to God maybe praying that if he married a gain he would find the right one however the more that does state owed the dead of night of hearing the earthly shrieks and screams of a gyro where we're running along this guy permissions do not like change and although strange things still happen in this gallery the ghostly form of young Catherine Howard had in was they were all true but he thought he had finally found the right wife for him so henry resolved to keep the door closed she put up a fight she did not want to go she knew if she didn't see Henry Her fate would be sealed or a tragedy does her ghost with Thomas culpeper they all been hung drawn courted and their heads would stay on traitor's gate for three years Harry Unforgiving Yeomen of the Guard solway she was and they dragged her literally kicking and screaming back to her apartment gods she tip toed down this famous gallery and when she got to the store just to my left hand side it was closed the tools of just opened so we've just Henry was a broken man he'd seen that letter and all the detestable things that she'd written about him and the funny thing was and the sad yea Geeta that was a fascinating and spooky story thank you very much I've become a degree colder actually listening to that site met her is three heads on spikes front system Henry Mannix and in the middle her beloved ellery glimpses of the young queen in ghostly form or cold or seen regularly up until nineteen hundred when this do it was deemed that Catherine Howard after thorough investigations was guilty of adultery having other boyfriends and Tree Korea was painted it was spruced up and it was open to our day visitors now it's often said that ghosts or is not been seen since should I tell you the conclusion to the tail yes please yes now February time fifteen forty two revealed later but for now I'm GonNa tell you a little story fifteen thirty seven the twelfth of October Henry the cernan Eh Prince Edward is born here at Hampton court but very very sadly ten days later Jane Seymour his mother is dead and Civil Penn who was going to be his nursemaid now has an even bigger task on our hands she's going to become like a mother to misselling later this was all in the lateran giveaway isn't it what a silly goal she was an inevitably the letter was found and taken to the king who great hives of easement the Tudor toilet block to everybody and it was highly sophisticated very clean and modern in court it and so did young Queen Elizabeth but young Queen Elizabeth being young strong and robust survive but simple part of it used to belong to a lady called simple pen who was henry the eighth son Prince Edwards nursemaid and the other half was the so to deter anyone else from crossing swords or doing anything that would upset His Majesty King Henry Doc if you seen her ghost I haven't personally but many grace-and-favour residents particularly in the Victorian period of toll I think quite a few people caught smallpox here but only sipple Penn died Elizabeth I was very very ill then being in her late seventies an old lady at that time succumbed to the disease and she died how many did it spread to don't worry enjoying their free accommodation at Hampton court one night there was a terrific storm thunder roared and light okay and are we on the outside one of the apartments yes apartment thirty nine and this is very very famous for lots of reasons red brick gateway there this is where visitors to the palace come in a free day on it would have been the entrance that King Henry the eighth would abuse poke grave and everything was quiet here on the western front until the mid reign of Queen Victoria when there was a family you experience some of the joys of Hampton court but there was an outbreak of smallpox smallpox. What did that mean well smaller for those days are wonderful that's what I like so which ghost is associated with this apartment sipple pen she's often called the grey lady as well and all will be him as well now long after Henry the Eighth Cer- died and the young prince unfortunately sipple pen was still here the it was fifteen sixty two in the reign of Henry's daughter Elizabeth the first the whole court were here and the symbols bones were all sucked up from her grade and scattered around the churchyard yeah is horrific was buried up the road in Hampton will you can still see Ho grave today now with stone likeness of who was carved and put on top earning crashed and the grave simple pen was struck. Saint Mary's Church and they say that the lightning penetrated so deep into the ground the palace and I'm standing outside Sheila Sheila exactly where all we will what is this spot cold this is the famous waste gate you see the lovely season and one very bleak morning she was road up to that famous traded his gate the Tower of London and when she got there a horrific lives two of whom unbelievable and Catherine Howard were executed just up the river from here at the Tower of London this is a really beautiful palace folks very much like chicken pox today but much worse was a killer in Cuba time so this was very very dangerous now civil pen Queen Elizabeth started the fashion wearing white makeup on her face to triumph where to go come in Civil Penne Pasta way she hold the pants and be family who lived in those rooms that were once used by simple pen now the Ponson be family with their service it but not just standing here it is very atmospheric play it really is very very special but she recovered obviously she recovered but her face was left with those horrible pop marks on like the chicken pox yet and that twice but there's more although the bones of simple were reburied and taken inside the church to a crypt it seems after that time the old lady started to wonder she started to wonder so where does she wonder is getting spooky no she wanted back here to hunt one of Henry's courtyards and rebuilt in a new style a style called barrack but because William didn't have money to knock down of Henry's buildings as you can see where we are standing there's a false wall and we're looking straight at some of the two buildings she was in her seventies she was a widow. Her husband had been a decorated military hero that's how she got her rent-free accommodation and in the mid Victorian period on the second floor there was a suite of apartments for a lady called Lady Hilda Yard seen to this day now the West Gate there the entrance to Hampton Court Palace soldiers in the Victorian period that were billeted here used to stand outside those gates at night and look after the security of the grace-and-favour residents however many soldiers about we've got the newer part of the palace this new apart was built between sixteen eighty nine and seventeen hundred for king and queen called in her the pumps and be servants and the family were feeling pretty shaken by these events and the gray lady continues to be to them but they didn't like Henry old to two buildings they were ugly they wanted something modern like the king of France so they knocked down Louis seemed to love and it's about two skeletons that were found near the new apart the Palace Fountain court that was built bullpen spinning wheel as she used to spin the on the young prince would close now that noise continued in these apartments until rope lem every night with the setting of the sun her and her servants would here scratching sound that seemed to come from the wooden because night after night in the apartments a wording sound could be heard and we know that the wording sound was probably the noises stopped after that they did not they continued sightings of civil pen or the gray lady were now seen in the there were investigations done and behind a false wall that was found a perfectly preserved to the room complete with speed I that would be a spooky is this we have many many stories but I'm GonNa tell you a story now that all the children who visit the strange men would appear they were dressed in ragged clothes and they would speak to each other in mumbling tones nobody so we've come to different parts of the palace known dumb it looks very different yes you'll correct in the courtyard behind. US earning will the spinning wheel was taken away the room was opened up and the Ponson be family side a sigh of relief or just going to say and with virtually shaking to its very foundations and then just as I thought things could get no more scary too William the third and Mary the second they were King and Queen of England by one hundred fifty years after King Henry died they came here the palace belonged understood what they were saying but night after night the strange things would happen in that apartment and Lady Hilda Yard lost many and now lady Hilda Yard lift here on our own but was about five or six thousand that looked after her but lady Hilda Yard had melling in their old two apartments as the night wore on these sounds would gain in intensity until the little apartment instigate is possible for Phantom or a ghost anything is possible that's wonderful thank you I love that what could we possibly hear next the apartment is always think I just saw the gray lady is also thing I did the gray lady was last seen in two thousand and five so you might have seen The two strange men and there were workman in this area. If you'd like to follow me I will tell you what happened strain cover some of the surrounding tiles and to lay new drainage pipes they'd only doug about two feet down on the work it's just to the right of us and you are correct withstood around a drain cover and there is a reason now two weeks in sixty nine one thousand nine and seventeen hundred so if you'd like to follow me will make hallway there now soft lady Hilda yards last letter to the royal household there were workman in this area the purpose of being here was to take the perfectly preserved human skeletons wow and we're standing above them right now what happened skeletons would take they could not believe there is they diamond tools scratch their heads and called for their manager because they'd come across too servants because they would just too frightened to be here now a we call to post when Lady Hilda Yod with last visited so so she'd have noticed that we're standing around a drain cover is there a reason for that is we're backout in Fountain court the new apart the palace they were given a Christian burial and surprise surprise lady Hilda Yard complained no more ooh way they were analyzed and don't forget this was the Victorian periods today we know a lot more but it seems they'd been in their current position branding their post and ran off screaming when they saw the ghost of sipple pen the gray lady walk straight through those clothes occasion but one hundred fifty to two hundred years at the most two skeletons that were identified as males were taken away and we'll put down over those bodies and that's where those two workmen who died stayed until they decided to ah pocketed that money came down here at the dead of night a palace just being built they were gaping holes everywhere cash and wanted the building to be built as quick as possible but he didn't want to spend much money so what happened sub-standard bricks down injuring eleven men and killing to these with the two men we know that the master carpenter was given uh-huh really quickly but it preserves the bones then maybe a day or two later big stones the ones we're standing on now the Christopher wren between sixty eight nine and seventeen hundred for King William and Queen Mary but King William was a little bit short of the it's nice to know ghosts can rest piece lost how did the skeletons get there we don't have a concrete answer but we do have suggested morten not very good materials we used and when the south range just over there too you're right with complete it promptly came tumbling Qahira Hampton court standing in the new courtyard and we do know from all records the this lovely baroque part of the palace was built we are standing through the bodies down a big hole covered them in quick lime which makes the flesh decomposed or disappear I to bit of money to make sure the two men who died were given a Christian burial I put it to you Jonah what if the Mazda Cop and course Hampton court has over one thousand three hundred rooms so plenty of rooms to explore if they were open but they were not now the entrance and the exit before the exhibition closes however ten minutes came and went she did not pass me there were no doors that she could've opened Yourself very difficult to say because people that I know who have seen ghosts especially in the daytime say they are as real is it lady Hilda Yard mazing story well Sheila thank you so much for those very spooky stories you got me spooked out upstairs as well have you ever seen at the exhibition were in closed off from the public so you could look in those four rooms you couldn't venture anywhere else and today yes but at the time I just thought she was a member of the public that's how I'm saying that ghosts can appear very very real amazing thank you well that was me Jonah at Hampton court learning about the fascinating ghosts in history of the palace I will definitely be there's nowhere else she could go she had to pass me to leave I looked everywhere through the exhibition and I never found her she just disappeared again because there is so much more to learn about Henry the eighth and his six wives not to mention other kings and Queens such as William and Mary who built Paul still in the exhibition there was absolutely nobody they're amazing did it spooky out not at the time on reflection the palace it's packed with atmosphere treasures and fascinating nooks and crannies and the gardens and Parkland absolutely stunning as you will me it's only when you go back and think about it that you rationalized yourself and think that couldn't have been anything or anyone else with the same and I close the exhibition about four thirty every afternoon I was doing some cleaning cleaning the desks when out of the corner of my eye thank you so much for telling us some of the spooky stories we've actually ever heard on story Nori and can we all wish you a very happy Halloween the same to all of you thank you very much but it goes but yes I think I have where with the WHO've been I was employed to run an exhibition up in Fountain Court can you see the small little windows Zia it was called servants soldiers and suffragettes and it was about our grace-and-favour history we only had about four rooms all those rooms if you do get a chance to visit Hampton court which I highly recommend try not to get too lost in the famous maze in the meantime and this is aimed at all older listeners if you want to be spooked out even more you can search on Youtube for the skeletal of Hampton Court a film taken by security is currently at the ball was being fitted for a week I haven't seen it yet but a warning if you die of fright don't write in and one evening trumping down now for me Jonah Story Noy DOT com happy Halloween lady in a long black dress with long black hair and to the exhibition realize we look no absolutely Israel's you Jonah now I thought at the corner and she didn't say anything to you she would have had to have passed me to leave she never did after I closed the front door and had a look everywhere to see if she would camera at the palace which shows a mysterious ghostly figure but he saw it and unfortunately all his hair fell out so he why is she could have been one of these goths these people who like to wear black excetera and I did sort of call out to her and say you've got ten minutes to have a look this guy complain to me and once again thank you very much to Sheila who is a State Department water at Hampton Court Palace and a brilliant storyteller yeah guy the take now it's time to is he it took me tweets in court to her apartments now the pumps and be family and their servants started to feel very uneasy and afraid. Kyra I do all those wrath I've got gave you won't like it little rats but tall Obama nominee wiki this creatures you didn't see that way will aw honey It will sound the kids on a sugar. I keep us awake knowing your with you yet is aww slash guys.

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420: Cherry Carmen, RHS Hampton 2019, Part 1

The SodShow

30:00 min | 2 years ago

420: Cherry Carmen, RHS Hampton 2019, Part 1

"Almond butter. See park the last time I was here I was talking with Joe Thompson. We were sitting on a life for Williams traitor, under was a very dodgy forklift driver. I'm sure he was a nice guy on here to interview, good friend of mine. Just giggling, on form Augusta the show, Sherry common disassociates brought to with thanks to CD natural stone. We played a central jingle, we've come back to you just after this. Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Sud so podcast. Charity. It's been on this occasion. It's been a few weeks since we spoke put records. It's being three is almost. Yeah. Do you want tell us where we were at the time we sat in my garden at Hampton Court palace flower show two thousand sixteen? I you do this part of it. So let's we're gonna make deceptive sewed all of the. The bit that's happened in between because you've done a bit. An even though we've kept in touch Peter goes off on a tangent for awhile comes back full circle on its or like a bit of a Bon Jovi video book. We have kept up dot contact if you wanna call it we have, and you're right. We have seen each other not too long ago on your garden for Cardiff so, yeah, a lot, a lot of things have happened in the three years. My goddess it's gone by really, really quickly. But we have actually seen each other at any of said, shows or anything that I've done. We've missed each other constantly sale. What's it called boats in the night sailed the night? Whatever it's called Buckler boy, saying that's actually spot on. Because when we were talking on, on this interview is in about me, but some of ice suppose what we've been involved in together with logically, come up in conversation. But we did go through this together on it transpired dot chessy two thousand eighteen I think I was dare on the Tuesday, but you'd comedian at a time when I was actually leaving to go somewhere else. But we didn't notice and then a think. Among sure then ships in the night. That's, that's the saying it different shows the landscape show. I think always there on a different day to you are. Again, on a different day that I was. I think I was there for build Ascot Ascot's. Another one are Scott ROY dare for, for all of it on some nervous. Build. Right. And you just that for the show came into they, we actually wear, they're on the same day, but I wrote in five o'clock left by then. What does this say about us Doniger? No, I think we're just probably never meant to me, three years, three years in the making. It's like a video except I'm just a cartoon on your real woman. I'm that's the truth was, let's get had Will Smith lyrics. Let's say let's get you it up. But that's not that this shows a try and keep it on track. I appreciate that. A lot of things were inappropriate Cheryl. But let's not go there. Properly for the show this time you've got a couple of names. So the first one is Schatzer, Cheryl. Sherry, let's backtrack. We may Hampson two thousand sixteen. You built. Pretty cool garden, Baranova Tim. Hell is this to this? He'll no doubt. How some photographs study control back out a hell of a lot better than mine on. We had quite a serious conversation. And then we had a bit of goofing around none of it intentionally inland of plan, but just probably how Peters had tends to fall not truly anyway, on a leave it to you listener at home to stick into Google or him them, Sherry. C. H. E. R white. You actually prints that cherry. Prompts. Sherry, so. Loose tanakahe. I'm like, oh, Laura psoriasis, but I'll leave to you to go back and listen to that. And that's for later discussion. This one is about a suppose again after that. So what did you do after? Hampton sixteen. So after Hampton Court in the year after I did the BBC gardener's live. It was the fiftieth year anniversary show up in Birmingham at the NFC, I did a garden that was part of the AP, L avenue up there of which I won a gold medal. And then the year after that, so last year, two thousand eighteen I was back at Hampton Court, I was, I had designed a small garden for the AP L this wasn't actually a show guard, and I think I think they are rich as she called it a feature garden. So it wasn't judged. There was no medals or anything. But it was tweeted on. It looked just like a small show garden. Maybe a little bit of wind coming down to microphone fearless a home. If that's the case, I'm sorry, but at this is this is planned, but we want to do it on their into the tail end of the phone through all school style, because you can probably hear two birds in the background on directional microphone, excludes all of that, including the screaming child now in the fire side of the park. Yeah. But I don't wanna get into what's come up, which is Hampton two thousand a nineteen on a barking dog. But a wanna backtrack to the BBC garden of two thousand seventeen what was dot who was involved with heritage a piece together, what will stay thinking behind that? And when you're getting into that release, and I ask. Doc Paulin sec we put this on pause for a minute. Transpires dog is Jason stick. On. I take his name is pasta, pasta Honda. I'm unsure where sorry. Yeah. Okay. So no pointed the, the question or to run up to the question or. Poject. Right. Let's try and stay on track was you tend to do gardens dot hit the radar very much. So you do a sort of a grace and you do a bit of a style at it. They all seem to be veritably different completely different than facts and. And. And then you sort of. Disappear for awhile for I mean, from gardens perspective, the serial show, gardeners to differentiate between fake former guests on repel, non compatibles. I appreciate, but they tend to consistently have something on radar. That's a little bit out there. Yours is like a heartbeat monitor it just blips very highly would see year and then drops away the like being delete singer for a bit. And then just being debase player or to quote, a different guests. Maybe give you a different angle, but cake gold, who says she doesn't like dune interviews. I'll bite. She's been on two three times at this stage, the game she prefers to gardens to speak for themselves Dc at what I'm saying all of that, on gated questionable by, I think I really do. Enjoy the show got an aspect of things. I think I think the thing is I've got the bug and I love doing show gardens, I love being on site. I love the, the organization of it leading up to it and then actually being site. It's, it's, it's quite a high and a like being involved in between. All of that. I think is a mixture of things. I, I do go back to life, basically, after after the show gardens and that does include, you know, running a business having a home just just life. And I think it's a mixture of me, not really being one of those people that just constantly is updating on social media about what I'm doing what I'm up to I'm here, this is who are meeting, this is the garden. I'm doing I'm not really that kind of person. And I don't mind that I don't I don't really want to constantly be shouting about myself. I know that kind of sounds a little bit contradictory. Two. The, the goal of being a garden designer a renowned garden designer perhaps, but that's okay. I, I just I just want to do what I enjoy doing. I enjoy doing show gardens and inbetween. It's just life. You know it's just a it's not that I don't have anything to shout out about. But I'm sure people don't really maybe not as interested as knowing where mocking my dogs on a daily basis that being said, I am working, I am working on amazing projects with really lovely clients, and these gardens I am incredibly proud of. But again, they're not really something that I post about or shoutout about probably just because that is part of my private life. Whereas the show gardens are very much. Publicized, the publicized, they are for the people to see to enjoy. They fall my clients as in the people that's helping me with the garden at the shows. And that's kind of that's kind of it, that's sort of if you see what I'm saying. That's the you're very much in the public eye with that. Whereas everything else in between is very much my life will, let me give you a different angle on. I know we know each other. Well enough to can pick up the phone and speak journal by we haven't met, we have kept in touch, this conversation records, this time round becomes a little bit easier. But I'll go back to the bass player thing, and you not shouting, better and. I had a conversation. Now former guest of the show Ray Wilkinson. And she said to me in two thousand and fifteen you've volunteers on her garden, you it transpires the more, I think, after you ended up working with me, and new listeners of decide show at Noda on the garden at Cardiff when we were having a bite eaten. What's the name of that? Pulled dichotomy member Jack. Okay. Every night on jets the joke. We were chatting. And then people almost God share you was working on your garden, unknowns that we have been. Let's say mates it to stage of the game. But oh, she fallen tiered on dot gardens while she helped out, undock dot com. You're like a serial session musician in your pull trad seen who my analogy in context, you, you rarely get paid for that you may get a pint. But you don't do it for money, you do it because you wanna be parted it to music demonic on. You hope it's going to be a good session. And that's what makes it wonderful, or as I said, to one of the researchers last week from long story radio team anyway, you know, some people like acquaintance, and some people like daydreams. Are you a Daydreamer? I think so. Yeah. I, I am daydream. Doggy. I do like being involved. I do like just being around. I just I just like to just kind of just float around and just kind of do what I know is going to make me happy if that means helping somebody, I don't, I'm not doing it for the money like you say, I'm not I'm not there to have kudos, or whatever I just like a like helping people that I like. And if it means that they get the support they need on the show garden, then, so be it because I know what building a show garden is like, and I know that having support and help on someone to back, you up is, is very important. So I try and I try and be that person really a show gardens for other people for other designers for friends acquaintances on. Yeah. I'm just I'm just happy to be there. I'm I'm happy to be there. I'm happy doing whatever. As you know, you called me up to go. Trim hedge. Yep. Fine. I'm your lady. Well a shit. I think we were chatting. And. There's an in joke in here. I just come back from, I think it was focused. She was. I don't know. He asking me fronts. Sherry is FRANZ play the game. I didn't pay. Icon, I call and keep up with you. Don again, you're you're all over the place. We, we were shot in the new said, if you need to give me a call to serious maters, but I, then I think censure tech, sane, Anita Hans, there were a couple of things that I can get overly pedantic about, you want perfect on sometimes. It's easier to trust somebody else's, I rotted on won't say overanalyze strong word, but over considered a finishing touch on the odd timing needs, somebody, Ted Turner, down the old black and white Mark, spreaders type movie sensitive word, and you across the face that very gently, and brackets and say, it's, it's fine. It's fine on when you're working on ridiculous of the lower not higher. Sponsorship numbers moneywise. It's usually important to have fantastic. Superb people around, you people who you can trust. And not only people. You, you can trust as a as an individual from a personal perspective, but also people who you can trust at being pretty amazing at what they do. And that's why I gave the call. However, to try and get this back onto you a wanted to bring some share about tree show gardens. Stop people would know and the first one was off. See Hampton sixteen at the second was BBC cardinals were alive, their fiftieth anniversary, which editor when I was actually supposed to go to end the day for I couldn't go on. We were sitting around that time as well. And then you did Hampton eighteen. Yeah. Have that crack? Okay. So when, when we were chatting about those tree gardens before it is. I mean couple of weeks ago, the point I made to you was dot one went down very much down. Deepest dotted ever been dog on. Then the next one was what the next one was gardeners world. That was actually very simple. It was very simple very straightforward. Nothing was was going down by any, you know, crazy numbers or going up by any crazy numbers. It was quite a simple garden. There was a pond. That was the only daig really required. Oh, it was like eight hundred mil. Okay. So no nothing standard standard. And it, it, it really was just a very simple garden, trying to basically show people that you can what you can make an a small space. I kind of teamed, a very modern look with will sort of wildlife friendly planting, and the whole garden was, was meant to be a fusion of the two and away to show, people on encourage people to shed, they got in with nature as much as possible without it being too Twee. I guess is, is, is a way of putting it if you think about wildlife friendly gardens, you, you automatically kind of think of this. It's kind of Twee sprawling mess sometimes and you kind of thing. It's not going to look very pretty which is I'm trying to show people that that's not the case at all that God. And in particular, I did put in some quite quirky things into I, I like I like adding quirky things on, I think I'm quite quirky that way, and are like adding innovative things into the garden make people go. Oh, that's bit different. I don't remember exactly to surfacing to flooring surface as such in dot garden. I'll buy two or three weeks ago. I did go through the photographs and look at it again a little bit more in depth. Maybe it was because it was a two years GOP in between, but will caught my eye was dot Yod's. Wasn't it Donegal courts to the backdrop art, Lisa appeared, like a court stone for unison a home? It's kind of like gum to with your Tom. Maybe the bigger decline of thing. You'd almost see may I say, maybe I know share just beside him in apologize. Fist a bathroom but not in a botch. And all I'm trying to subscribe to listener, but it's only even in its finish. It's an uneven texture. It looks really sexy. And it's kind of a bright brilliant, white like travertine stone mixed with a, a high glossy orangey Brown almost like a sandstone on when it's done. Well, early look sexy, but you Dan added writing into the backdrop, and that was made to what else that was live moss. And I that was another thing I wanted to show people. How to include something autistic into the garden that could also be wildlife friendly are Imos uh. I had writing Don out of moss, and then I had the sort of mural on one side, as well. That was sort of like a tree shape with the roots coming down, that was all live moss, which I was incredibly proud of because it, it took me it took me absolutely months and months to do that. It really did. I had a greenhouse specially for all the moss shading. I just I just I went to town on that moss. Moss was meticulously cared for. I don't think anything's ever been looked after his best. Is that moss? We'll let me take a different angle because you could have put in a wall of logs on said apologies here, but was words on what we tend to see no being done in parks, on large-scale basis, which is you fell a tree. You could've relatively neatly, so the public art aware didn't just fall over. I'm laid area. It was allowed to remain there to encourage all of the things we're talking about of recent which are diversity and native insects, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, assuming, it's a native tree per DRA chess report. But we Dan replicate that initial garden setting logs Stockton Puna, top year, which in another child, or going to decompose, and Eric on Iraq down. And so it doesn't offer ever. And so it's a temporary thing presented. It's extremely neatly on show day, but it certainly let's not realistic for be in your case, yours was something that struck all of those contemporary notes, but you still turned around a meant. But here's what you do at sexy style. That's what I took from on my head went genius. Don't it again. But you still did it extremely differently from what was a contemporary, but equally very different garden and Hampton. Sixteen that is. And then you went to. BBC NEC Birmingham, which is, and then you go onto Hampton again. So what was hunting seventeen eighteen Dopp? My head's gone to mush eighteen eighteen so that was a garden for the AP L association of professional landscapes and previously, they had had gardens there bought. Without sounding too, harsh, they, I suppose they had started out with a trade stand, and then the trade stand became sort of dawned, and then the trade STAN became a garden and the year before that's a two thousand seventeen was the first time to AP L actually had some designers design trade stand, as, if it was an actual garden somewhere that you can go sit down talk to someone from the AP L, learn about the a p l get information and also kind of look at look at the garden as this is what the AP L do. So two thousand seventeen was the first time they did that two thousand eighteen when I designed the garden for them, I think was the first time. We'd push that again, one one step further unthought. Okay. Well, let's let's make. This inverted commas trade stand really look like a show garden. Let's let's treat it like one and that's what we did we, we had organized it like it was a show garden. We had a materials and sort of sponsorship, as you like with from Kiba, who are sort of landscape, who sort of gave us the materials, as well, which was fantastic. They came and built the garden we had plants coming in from creepers nursery, and on the whole thing came together like it was a show. Garden built like a show garden. Just no. Just not actually be show garden if that if that makes sense. It, it, it will like I said it wasn't judged. But because it wasn't a traits on, and it wasn't a show garden. It was instead a feature garden. Well, that makes perfect sense, but you built like a show garden. But you just don't allow it to be judged, basically. Yeah. Yeah. That's not the first time anybody would do, but the reasoning why if you've only done trade stands, anew evolved, and into inverted commas show garden like can appreciate why if you take my apologies, but technically show garden, judging which is wrong you at home might turn around go. That's an amazing garden. It gets no medal or it gets bronze or equally it gets gold or silver, or whatever the case be. So I can appreciate why day might want to just test water see how to build goes, and maybe leave the metal term site. But it alternately comes back to you got the same amount of pressure put on yourself. Asta designer out by the association on again and get their reasonings for at least that's my interpretation of them. But from your perspective. I know judges and I know data walk past and go up. I go, I don't want to. Yeah, I know it looks sexy. Boy, also. No. I lose a couple of points, but. Also financial thing in taken it from from standards gardened up may chief a metal it takes a certain amount of money to get those finishing touches to professional. Silver silver gilt gold. And once you re reached direct Exelon I think you're on you're on a different market. I think that'd be fair from my perspective. However, the pressure on use of imposed knowing you is reason, I liked the garden on on metal or not. You did proud put on discipline to bring my nail fifteen minute question lion. Full circle won't goes down to tree meters woman goes not so much down. Maybe eight hundred Miller, but invariably open that one seemed to go entirely open almost entirely down again you, you don't sit still as well. Go back to but you still play bass player. That garden for the L last year, I, I still wanted to do something ala cherry, I e a bit quirky a bit different. So the planting was sunken, and it was sunken by again, about eight hundred mil thereabouts and the seating area and the pathway was above all of that. So basically, you are wanted it to be like you looking down on the sea of planting. It's a different perspective on planting, you know, you looking down onto it, and I, it's just it's something different, you know, it's, it's, it's something that people can go away and think, yeah, actually, I'd like to try that. I'd like to try that in my garden. It's something that people may take away from the shows and think, well that's the garden. I remember it was. The one with the sunken planting? It it's, it's just about being a little bit different being a bit more quirky being a bit more adventurous, rather than just doing bog standard. And, and, and I'll tell you, I'll tell you this as well is the. The, the AP L. Now, the I've worked with them. Not it's going to be second. The second year my ideas always come. Way way way over budget. They start off completely and utterly not and an I a century or have to get notch down from the craziness and, and just sort of say, look cherry that starts the, you know, we, that's a bit thus have been much cherry just, just not shit down. I think I think, essentially the original idea for that the, the beds probably will were sunken a lot more and the seating area was probably are known to meters, high or something, but that's it standards to want to design to dream, and then declined in this case JPL to turn around and say, well, we can't give you a gazillion squalene pounds. You've got twelve quit. And by the way, up or your breakfast this morning that standard, and as I say to private clients, as well, as you know, whether it's show gardens it being a part of. If you don't reach for the stars or if you don't design to trim. It's not that you want to Mexico, a million quid of a credit card, but you you're aware of what they are, but you've got to turn around and put it in. And then go actually thought looks damn hot. We should ask mom for a loan, ten quit over purse, you know, we make this happen, or in, in a lot of cases, we know somebody who can get that bench for your dot steel thing for your stone for you. So, and they are the AP L dirty association of professional. Landscapers. Yeah. I've got that, right. They, they know people who know people. So you're dealing on one hand, as I as I said, two jobs from CD, who was a by the way are sponsoring these episodes, and I'm very grateful for that was, I said to Giles, you know, if you can't give me your money then give me your time, I don't necessarily want when you prepare your time. But if you can't give me your time to give me your money, both are going to achieve the same end result, which is complete a, a show carton. Okay. We have to pause it just here for a minute, on say big tanks to, they just mentioned them. There on we, we have a very cool arrangement on this. 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Halloween special! The spookiest royal stories revealed

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Halloween special! The spookiest royal stories revealed

"Hello everyone and welcome to very sterry spooky but still. For that mackey. was that. Scary, but we are still as packed as ever when it comes to all the latest goings on with the British, your family of course, your host it's scrapie joined by mackey really you doing X.. I am very excited for this Halloween. It's weird because I. Certainly know few Halloween is a big deal obviously being in the middle of lockdown or various stages of lockdown when it's been a little weird not really getting to celebrate I mean I certainly have a bowl of candy, and in fact, my friend said to me. We have spent most of this year in mosques and over eating sweets we've kind of had a very, we don't need Halloween this year although police tell me you're dressing up Yoshi. He has here's an outfit I. Just don't know where he's going to wear it. At. Least on instagram promised me that he'll do it for the Graham he'll do. He'll do it yo she'll doing for the and that is so true. I was excited because we got the chance to dress up. We did yes. Later on in the show Maggie and I will be going on some of Ghost hough of Hampton. Court Alice we had special access out of hours to see some of the scariest sites in the former home of King Henry the eighth. It's really spooky. It's a beautiful SPA IT'S I. Weird Mix between. This incredible palace, but also probably being one of the scariest royal sites in the country. That's true. That's You. Feel the ghost going through you even the chills in the. Scene. Well. We were very lucky. We we obviously took it very seriously. We arrived in full. Halloween cost you. which unfortunately? He can't see listening to us on. Butts. In an airport I we're also bringing in video this week and we'll have more details of that later in the show, but you'll be able to join us as we traipse around the corridors and the creepy rooms of Hampton Court Palace. It was really fun moaning. Excited for everyone. Plus it's just nice to get outside I think the royal beat has really had anyone focused on the royal family just sort of stuck at their desks for the past six months and more. Importantly, it was great to be able to do this because this is part of an exhibit that's currently going on at historic royal palaces. It's open to the general public here in the UK they look after many of the on on on occupies spoil spaces here in the UK and they always put us on a great show this an incredible spread out at Hampton Court Palace, which is just Outside of central. London. So if you are in the UK pleased check it out, we'll have more details on that later in the show. But before we get to the news I wanted to share a bit of a fun stat. It was an article I came across town and country. Where they had gone into details over one of the big big changes that happens at royal residences across the country. When the clocks change back of course, we've recently gone into asset of wintertime zone. It is the end of the warmer months and as we descend into darkness on so many different levels. One major change needs to happen at the royal residence is in the UK and that is turning one, thousand, five, hundred clocks. Why do they have so many clocks don't they just use their iphones? Fortunately not the queen's royal residences. This is a sort of a bi annual undertaking that requires an entire team experts that spend full hours working with the royal collection, which is the Department of the royal household that cast for The sort of artifacts in arts and anything on that side of things within the residents is occupied rovers presidencies, and they have a group of horror logical conservaties that adjust the fifteen hundred timepieces to account for the end of British summertime. This includes four hundred and fifty clocks at Windsor Castle six, hundred clocks at Buckingham. Palace and fifty at the palace. Of Hollywood house up in Scotland and so these range from that's an incredible job. These range from traditional time pieces such as the kind of museum quality clocks that we are seeing some of the exhibits in the royal households, musical clocks, miniature clocks, tar clocks, grandfather clocks, Yoon name it. The Queen Asset be really careful with a lot of those clocks as well because I'm sure they're quite old and delegates. Yes, exactly. So hence, why it requires forty, this is really embarrassing because I have one clock in my own one. The entire summer months I never changed it. So now it's back to being the right time. That's my because. My favorite part Of the end of summer. Is when the clock on my other make sense. He's correct finally. Queens people to come over there. Changing thousands. What's Exactly exactly. We did see members of the royal family out and about this week including the Duchess of Cornwall, he was out in London. Seeing a demonstration of covid nineteen detecting tokes trained by a charity that she supports a medical detection dogs and these labradors are trained to sniff out the viruses and so they actually met up with Britain's Health Secretary Matt Hancock Paddington Station to see some of the work in action and this is something you've you've looked into already. McKee. It's a fascinating. I'm so excited by this story. Yeah it's fascinating I. Mean I know the Has Already met with these dogs once before and so I love that she's following up with them again and I've been in contact with the organization and you know it's not just this organization here in the UK. Partners around the world and other researchers that are working with these dogs. They've already been deployed in the airport in Finland and Helsinki to start sniffing out Crowbars, buyers, passengers, and I know that here in the UK they're hoping that within the next few months, even that some of these jobs can maybe be in the airports in the UK and so it's really incredible. You know dogs are already. Used to sniff out other diseases some people with diabetes use them to help, regulate, and warn them when their blood sugar is too low or too high. So I always you know I have a very large south spot for the puppy omid, and so I loved the to be reminded that they're not only adorable but they're so smart as well and the fact that they could help us right now. During this pandemic is so incredibly love a good boy or could go. On this show. This is very much a good boy story. We had good boys and girls at the Cambridge household this week when George Charlotte and Louis with parents you can duchess of Cambridge to bake cupcakes for a very good 'cause. We're in sort of build up to Remembrance Day here in the UK and to support the poppy. which are little red poppies that many of you many of the listeners may see a lot of people on television wearing this time of year particularly members of the Royal Family is all in support of the royal, British, legion. So the poppies raise money for the organization which help provide financial social political emotional support. So anyone that has or is. Currently serving in the British armed forces, and so the Cambridge family showed support for the poppy appeal this year by baking and poppy decorated cupcakes delivered to a British Legion Kerr home in Norfolk, very close to the place of Animal Hall and that was a lot of commentary online about the delicate detailing in these complicates some people couldn't quite believe that it was kate's. Put them together. Was it really George really that creative listen we have seen Georgia and action he he did help the queen the mince pies up before Christmas really. Okay. Maybe they're just trying young over listen we are we are hiring of good baking in the. Bay so I think. That is true. I had more friends reaching out to meander lockdown becoming obsessed with the great British bake off I felt that show is just taking over even America. Charlotte delivering food that she had helped cook to isolated pensioners neither home Sandringham Estates, and that was before lockdown. We know that Louis helping mum in the kitchen in fact cases that they really enjoy making pizzas together as one of the sort of family activities. So we have three. Miniature world chefs on our hands here. I would watch that reality TV. Show in hitch. Someone else does. Oh you're right. Let's do. Maybe it could be. It could be something as Sussex. Is might be interested in given that they're working very closely with Netflix's and we got a chance to catch up with the GCA Sussex this week when he joins the British edition of G. Q. Magazine for some of that content for black history month, which were just coming to the end of here in October. Then a conversation with the protest of the black lives matter protest hero. Patrick Hutchinson Harry spoke about. Being married to Megan and how that had really truly made him aware of unconscious bias finally, he admitted to being somewhat. Ignorant towards it for a number of years, and this was a really interesting conversation almost forty minutes in length shed by British Q. as part of their hero series, and so they spoke about fatherhood mental health and. Harry himself said ignorance is no longer an excuse for unconscious bias reflected that it took him many years to realize. It's he spoke about walking spending of day or week and his wife shoes finding made him realize what how bad the issue was. unconscious. Bias from my, understanding. Of the the upbringing the and the education I have I have no idea what it was I have no idea is the many size is decided it took me many years to. To to realize it especially in been living a day or week in my wife's since to me is always a tricky one to try and explain something like this. Because you know no expert in this field can only give my opinions. I feel like first of all, you have to be willing to listen. And have conversations have those uncomfortable conversations because it is an uncomfortable conversation He got so personal and I know that we've seen you know Harry quite personal recently, and all the royals be quite passionate about things that are important to them but. What I'm curious you know is this the the way that Harry spoke out in this interview seems almost take to the next level you know he's talking about. Unconscious bias and being very vulnerable and talking about folks who had in the past talking about what it's like for his wife have we really heard Harry get this raw invulnerable before? Is this something that the royals normally do I think the Harry this is something that he does will has always done particularly. Well, I think that's ability to open up a little bit more than we used to sing for members of the Royal Family. He was such a cliche but we hear people often talking about wearing his heart on his sleeve and I think that comes across in all of these conversations that we've seen him have in recent months whether it's with activists or back, love. Matter. Protesters this is something he truly feels passionate about and I think the people to connect with the work that you're doing. You have to, I, think show that vulnerable side to show why you a personally invested in. It's more I think fit for Harry than just being. Someone. Involved in social issues and charitable affairs I think has a personal meaning to him as the father of mixed race child is the husband of a biracial woman woman who's obviously puts up with a lot of very public racism in a number of different forms and so I think for him it feels like it's his chance to actually do something about it and that's interesting I. Think you mentioned his son is well now that archie is in the world and his sons going to have to grow up. In this world being Biracial, it probably put just a whole new perspective for him as well. Being the dad of a child that he knows that he wants to be the best father possible. Absolutely and this is one of the things we had Harry talk about with them with Patrick on this chance I mean, you'll remember that very conic image of Patrick he's sort of raise to global fame in June during a black close massive protests in London. When he lifted a whites counter protester to safety and it was a very powerful image he was described in many of the report says this kind of accidental hero for his actions and Harry himself called him a Guardian Angel and Patrick himself is now using his platform to advocate for racial justice and a fair society. He sets up an organization or collective could united to change and inspire with three other friends and he's also writing a book and I. Think given how well they got on in this conversation I. Can I can see Harry POPs collaborating with Patrick further down the line and you know this week we saw Meghan making headlines as well. We know that she has an ongoing court case against several tabloids here in the UK and it was supposed to be in January so not that far from a couple of months but her legal team was granted a postponements now it looks like that. Trial. Legal case won't happen to actually next fall. So pretty much in a year or so obviously will be following that but it's GonNa be a while before we have any real updates it sounds like, yeah. What was interesting about that was just the amounts of speculation online for sort of reasons behind why something like this might be postponed. But of course, that is, as you say, the official line from their camp, it's a story that keeps on providing. Provide for another year. Well, after the break, we'll be heading over to Hampton Court Palace for. Halloween adventure and I couldn't think of anyone besson be spending it with a particularly when we both get a chance to dress up the. We have to win. This is the most important election in the history of our country. I will draw the best of a stopped. I will be an American president who will be your next president. I am president of law and order I won't fanned the flames of hate election-night. EBC. Got Rain again, this is a battle we will win and we'll do it to get ABC election lines and on Apple News. Well. Welcome back everyone Maggie. Costume ready you good to go I am ready Oh. Man We are good to go something to get spooky. Yeah. I think both of US toyed with the idea of POPs going down the royal boots for costumes idea but. I can say that I went with the safe option. I am Maverick Maverick himself I've gone in my full topgun overalls. That there's been an interesting cultural difference between. Character or your choice of character in the US competitor in the UK. I wanted to stand out at the Spooky Halloween haunted house. So I was going as where's Waldo beloved character in the US because in the UK, everyone calls him where's wally so people kept asking me where's wally is like I have no idea who you're talking about I was wally care during his Waldo Israel eighty here it was it was a lot to process and it was a lot to take it. Well, it was a great morning. We got to visit the haunted gallery at Hampton Court. Palace the Palace has reportedly been the site of many strange and spine tingling encounters. I listened. And opened their doors particularly during the school holidays. It's time for kids here in the UK for people to actually go and check out the stories behind some of the strange happenings at Hampton Court Palace and why it has such spooky reputation. We're lucky enough to be at Hampton court famous. Hen mediate one of the most wanted spot this time of the year we're lucky enough to have. Joe Cooper. State Department wardens. Yeah. I'll be the key to. History. Or one of them. Anyway. Your job as. Head of the Department of. The night. Is just perfect really because we really are head of what goes bump in the night and many people of experience those bumps in the night as well. Yeah I mean, there are so many haunted stories here. You've worked here for a number of yes. Some of the most famous that come to mind when you think about Halloween Hampton Cau- I've even look on the website when you beat some of the visit reviews income, everyone seems to have their own encounters genscher. Yes they do I mean obviously the most popular story. We have because it's one of the most popular places in the palace is Catherine Howard who is the fifth wife of Hemi AIDS running down the haunted gallery screaming I mean basically she was the young teenage bride of Henry here at the time was nearly fifty. He was very sort of bloated by temp heard, but he absolutely adored his child bride but anything was. He hadn't been told about her past. Oh. Yes. So six months into the marriage, she was seeking the company of young men. And she bought one her old boyfriends to court as a private secretary Francis Darom. and. At the same time came heavily involved with one of Henry's own friends Thomas culpepper who was also a gentleman of the bedchamber. Now scandal and gossip was rife in the palace because she was let's say she was indiscreet. And soon, people were getting very frightened that they would have to tell Henry but just didn't want to because they knew if they did they'd probably end up in the Tower of London with the head removed. So it was left none other than the Archbishop of Canterbury himself Thomas Cranmer even he couldn't face Henry he left him a letter on the stool in the royal youth him to rate. I know even he could not face the king. Well Henry was distraught and furious, and so an investigation was carried out. It was all found the rumors were true and basically her household was split up. She was pushed onto house arrest in Harare rooms and Francis Tarum and Thomas culpeper was sent to the Tower of London and I think you can probably guess what happened to them both. Oh. Yes they were executed. But because Henry liked Thomas, he was just simply beheaded. But he had. Yeah kind. Generous but because somebody had to pay the price, it was Francis Darren who was hung drawn and watered. If you know what that actually is. Describe it to us. They have those those people that don't know. So you. To you are unconscious cut down. You are then quarters. So you've got all your innards. Open and taken out, and then you attached to four horses who then pull you apart. Literally quartered undrawn. reliving history is ghost town is. because. Stories like go story like Ono all this whore, all of these horrible things actually happened by. You've some interesting. We think of the working policies that. The royal family living thing all have. Stories to show the one of my favorites is Prince Charles and the Christmas visits to Sandringham in the ACC spoke about perceiving of feeling cold air on his neck throughout the whole trend. Now, I've actually spoken some of the stone what's inside Gregan since Christmas Christmases, and they have stories, Christmas cards flying across the room and S- air paranormal activity. Even up until this point. So when we think about the stories that go here, Nice prize given the torture. Wind Christmas cards were tales of torture any day, but interesting how it's been going on for so long and even to this day the future king sort of amidst to seeing ghosts and defeating the paranormal because it's been. So entrenched in morial history. That's rise I, mean if you think Henry the eighth, you say Henry. Your automatic reaction is Oh my goodness it's beheading. People being torture literally being butchered and obviously he didn't do that here. But the Tower of London, and that's where a lot of people were tortured for information and a lot more ghosts actually are seen. Yes, because we've got two wives here, we've got Catherine Howard wife number five. We've got Jane Seymour Wife Number Three. Jane, was his favorite wife. She gave birth to edge word in Catherine of Aragon sold rooms actually the first wife sold rooms because her room's. Ready in. Time. Gave, birth to these lovely boy Edward Who's going to be the future? With the six Henry jubilant because he needed a son to continue the Tudor Dynasty that's why he married. So often to try and get this long for song, a woman never ruled successfully in England before he didn't want to leave it to his two remaining daughters he's older to. Marry the first future Elizabeth the first. But unfortunately twelve days after the birth contracted an illness and died and but she is seen. On, the silver stick says she lives on here lives on. Hey, just just as Catherine does. So how often do people take these go CDs spirit schedule. The holds have actually been taken since Victorian period. So we've got quite a wealth of information and because of the time paypal lift at the palace is grace and favor residence. Of course, if you live somewhere, then you're more attuned to what goes on here the noises and the bumps and the critiques of the building and anything which is out of the. Ordinary. The kind thing that wakes you from your deep sleep at night and you think what was that was out of Shriek Oh and you either pull the close tighter or you if you're very brave, you go and investigate I mean there's been some a residents with Jane they've actually woken up especially servants and they've seen an apparition of a beautiful woman. All dressed in the WI with golden hair staring at them from the end of the bed. And I can tell you that some of those suburbs they quit their jobs because it kept happening and I thought I'm just not paid to. To deal, with ghosts of Henry the. Wise. We we need to be out of here. I, find it really interesting that a lot of this spiritual. It experiences of people. Involving the female figures, some sort of feminine traits, his earlier about spending. Absolutely eight point absolutely right I mean in the palace. The Polish soon soon makes you understand it's not just what you see is what you hear smell field touch. So it can assault any one of your senses when you least expect it and in the newer part of the palace that what we call the brookside built by Christopher Wren in the sixteen ninety S, there is a series of private rooms which were really inhabited by Queen Caroline who was the wife of George the second. So we're talking about the seventeen twenty, seventeen thirties. There is a ball through and then addressing table a little sort of a nice little area screened off. And in that room. Constantly we have people saying they can smell roses or lavender or oranges. Now I smell Cedar Wood or sandalwood and as I think you know think about these smells they're very different from one another you call mistake oranges for the delicate smell roses and some people get nothing at all. And yet, there's nothing in the room and there's nothing around or beneath the room which would engender these sense. And in fact, one experience I had quite recently I was standing in that room you know welcoming visitors and talking to visitors and it was there was a lull. And suddenly I felt as if somebody had stood before me with the perfume atomised. And literally gave a couple of squirts just in front of me. Now I didn't feel any moisture but what I got was at Epi Center of purview that you get when you first. Sort of squirted onto your skin and I thought well, there's nobody around me and there's nothing causing this. So this is just another one of those unexplained events or are you a believer that I mean? Do you believe that there are ghosts here? There's paranormal here. Well, my view is the I agree with Hamlet. When he says to his friend Horatio in Shakespeare's play. Says there are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio than are dreamt told in your philosophy. So as far as I'm concerned, there are things we can't explain if people say to me have experienced I respect that because I know that everyone's different. So I am very very open minded and I just think in some ways it's it's nice. It's lovely talking point and obviously all these records are written down a maybe in the future might some scientific evidence I mean couple of hundred years ago we didn't have telephones or televisions, and yet they're all molecules in the as we hear some of these stories from our at members of the Royal Family. By about seeing the ghost of Queen Elizabeth the first. House has this assistant? At they'd but I've seen staff you their compensation of its former stop the Nazis. SPEC that you can hear creeks from on the rules in the library. For Nights and I think it's a waste funds hit story still from carbon of the royal family where would you say is probably won't the Mexicans hit royal sites in the country when I think it's got to be the time of London I think lot went down in power. Seeing. So many things I mean if you think about it, there was so many people who were imprisoned. That means just in Henry the eighth time who were literally in there for so long I mean volumes in nothing here is in James, the first time and basically they didn't know whether they were ever going to get out. They didn't know when the axe would suddenly four when it would be their last day. So it's heightened. Emotions and say to you about we've got the two Queens here well in the tower obviously, Katherine Howard and her cousin, and then we'll both wives of Henry and we'll be headed in the tower. Now I'm believing she's the second wife I think probably the most famous people recognize which she seems to be seen everywhere in the tower and there is actually a really lovely story or probably not love for the person that concerns part. In. The Victorian period this is eighteen, sixty four there was a guard he was standing guard at night in the tower precincts and then through wall suddenly there appeared a female figure with no hate. No head so he had. He had his his his bayonet attached and and he said Haute. And there was absolutely no reply. so He's all right. So he charged charged the bigger went straight through her and then was so terrified he fainted on the floor. Now. If that was bad enough, he's commanding officer came along and found him on the floor thought he was asleep in it was a dereliction of duty. So he was literally about to be caught marshaled but fortunately for him to other gods from one of the towers had witnessed the whole episode spoke up for him so he received no. The. Star whole thing that went tone and we're able to speak up and confirm with a commanding officer. So the poor guy did not get punished. Hearing. All of these stories on what do you think are you a believer or do you think there are ghosts Ernest may convince? Me Go on a tour show. But I think what's really interesting about the spaces of varying is that you do feel the sense of some some areas will very closed in. Off Moments chill something. That's slightly His something that very very where you have a history of. Torture, having lived very painful lives. There is at least an energy, the remains on that space how? It's hard to explain. Absolutely. A history too I. Mean just being here reminds you of sort of. Some of the dark spells that happened in the past. Long. Dark spells that happened in the past of the royal family as well and. It can be hard to hear about honestly some of torture in the marrying of women. These are things that are tough to remember, but it is good to remember these things happened and to experience them in a way. Like you can hear him to court palaces is really special. You really feel the history of live here. The lucky thing for us is that we'll get lead. Story's Kensington pilots. Supposed to be. A. Choice. Act unfortunately these stories that they. Often amazing symbol. Thank you so. So. Wonderful. Pleasure we have an extra an extra surprise for everyone. Rome Joe is going to take us on a behind the scenes. Tour of having court valve is going to be more ghost stories. We're going to see some of those scenes you described. Personal. So if you're listening on the podcast of this, even go online and check it out while the video posted and it's a little extra treat free by Paulo mean and Oh, my Gosh I didn't realize that we forgot to mention wearing costumes. Yeah obvious. Clearly helmets top guys. Doing the. Little much to William and Harry and their own. Choices. We've expected a lot about Harry's work military move. Well I'm just where's Waldo as we call them in the state but apparently, you guys call them warriors wally. We Code Him West. Wally. The security guard as we pulled up to hypocrite al obviously you brought whereas. Today. I was wearing the car. So anyway our costumes happy Halloween. Make sure to stick around and check out the extra video because it's very spooky fantastic and I promise it. We'll give you children's Omid said, it'll make you a believer. Well, I don't know about you Maggie I. didn't feel completely at ease. We pulled out of Hamilton caught after about little. You can tell or not from our from that moment but. I was not that cool. I was kind of freaked out some of the time. You can definitely tell that you'll spooky happenings have happened there absolutely four anyone that wants more of that. We've actually went on AIDS hall off the Haunted Gallery in some of the spookiest spots in the palace with awesome guides, Joe Cooper, he took us around and if you want to check that out, there should be links to it on your social media or my social media. So out Maggie Rulli or scabby on twitter or just head over to good morning. AMERICA DOT COM had a lot of fun. Maggie could definitely need to be doing some more of these over the weeks and months ahead. I think this is going to become a new regular occurrence I don't know maybe we'll have to dress up every time. Out About. Well. Say That was just for Halloween. Well, I just want to say big thanks to Adam and Charlie H. HR. P. has four palaces for ranging. This'll out saying it was great to get out and if you want more information on any of the unoccupied royal residences hr look after even the Tower of London itself, which I can't say particular wants to rush into after hearing some of those stories from Joe. Just had. HR. P. Dot Org dot UK, and that just about wraps up for this week Maggie out trick or treating. This weekend. I'll probably. Do what you said and just by a large bowl of candy I get to eat all by myself. That's this is the year to just eat a bowl of chocolate. You know there's any year to do it. It's twenty twenty. Well stick with us for all the latest World News we are with you every Friday next week will be different a lot going on a lot on the world diaries. Moment it was. Very interesting stories next. Take. Hey, guys say the package.

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Meet Jas Hothi: Creative INFP Solopreneur

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48:47 min | 7 months ago

Meet Jas Hothi: Creative INFP Solopreneur

"Cool Hello everyone. Welcome to another episode of real talk in real time your podcast giving you behind-the-scenes access with some awesome creative souls to hear how they keep things real in their lives in projects, mostly informal off-the-cuff musings and definitely a lot of room talk today. My guess is someone who is very very very special and dear to my heart. Jazz. Hobby is an introvert writer and blogger. He runs INF Club a Blog podcast an online community for ins and infps infj and infp Z cares about personal growth creating a life of freedom and as an intuitive person he continues to embrace and learn more about his sensitivity as an HSP, which I can certainly relate to and when I say that this person is the Army Jazz and I met some time ago and I can tell you he has been so instrumental in me starting this podcast and how I've grown as a writer and so I'm more than pleased to have this opportunity. Need to bring him to you today. So having said all that. Hey Jazz, welcome to the show Hey Jo. Thanks for such a lovely introduction. I know some of those were just kind of put together myself, which was nice to hear back. But also yeah, the feeling is so mutual and just feels like we just connected at an interesting time for us both and since then we just kind of sucks vibing off of one another so it's especially nice to be yeah speaking speaking with you as a friend first and then, you know, maybe maybe a guest second thoughts. So thanks for having me. Yeah. It's my absolute absolute pleasure. Cuz you know, you're you're such an interesting person but you're good people like your good energy. And so that's definitely a another reason why I I think you and I relate it's not only just the mind of thing but you know good people have a tendency to flock together. And so there you have it completely. Yeah. He just you just click with certain people. Certain reason to like I say we're both high-def. So it feels like we can speak with that language of you know energy and then kind of feeling and yeah again, I just think it's kind of been a mutual thing for us both. So yeah, this is fun month and so my listeners may hear that you have a bit of an accent. So that leads me to ask. Where are you from? And where are you now wage? Yeah, so I'm the answer is this is it's the same answer to both of those questions. I'm kind of just outside of London in England live in a like a a suburb with it's like a it's like a town, you know, so kind of still still people around but nowhere near as kind of crazy as Central London. We Ready fortunate we've got grass and green space and there's a palace near us so too it's called Hampton Court Palace which some folks know because there was a King Henry the eighth who lived here. Okay. So yeah, it's like I say, it's it's just outside of London a little bit quiet in a bit more green space, which is lovely for someone who's an introvert and you know a sensitive person. It's interesting and we've talked about this very briefly before but as an actress, I am meet lots of people who as performers. They learn how to do an accent how to, you know, be someone from another place and for me. I I hear when someone is quote-unquote acting or putting on an accent when I listen to you and I hear that it's genuine and all that is so cool. Yeah, cuz I'm glad I'm guessing you might have heard people do this accent, but it not be their actual accent isn't and you know that there should call you in for me one of the ways that I can pick up when it's not is because there's a bit of a pause because even when you're like speaking another language your brain, usually you're going to your your your native language and then Translating that into this other language and there is a slight pause for most people and that's usually a dead giveaway for me and so in listening to you, there's never a pause like you never have to stop and go get how would I say that with this accent there so you so you know that, you know, I'm not faking it. This is why federal wage Can you imagine if I just you know for the first time ever in this in this conversation was just by the way J. I'm from I'm from Texas and I just came out with a Southern drawl, which I can't change the way but that that would be quite a music. Can you do a British accent? Did you ever have to do that as part of your kind of acting duties? Oh my goodness. So I had an opportunity to home audition for a an old cow play and I have a really good friend who tried to train me like I had the tapes, but I thought no it's going to be so much better if I just drive around with someone and listen to their accent and it was my accent is awful mainly because a woman speaking. Versus a man is different and I didn't take that into account. And and so when I tried it came out like this kind of Cockney thing that really sounds awful and I was like, oh, yeah. I'm never going to do that ever again. It's funny you say that quite often when I hear like I guess more often the noise kind of Americans doing British accents. It's always, you know some sort of Cockney accent or just like the really kind of Posh Hugh Grant Bridget Bridget Jones home. It's always one of the two. Yeah, I have to admit. It's always quite amusing. I hearing I loved hearing under just like seeing British portrayals and like American films like he's always just someone, you know quite just kind of quite proper or also quite kind of silly and you know, maybe some of those stereotypes there, but it's fun. I'm actually watching so I think you know, I'm a I'm a big fan of Columbo I shared that on one of your threads actually on your blog and I'm currently watching the episode where he goes to London to check out like Scotland Yard techniques. And yeah, it's just like I say again, it's interesting seeing just some of the just kind of Colombo kind of doing his thing. Hang on just making the British folks around him who I let you know Scotland Yard. They're supposed to be like the cream of the crop in terms of you know, right solving crime and he's just very in his kind of unassuming club right way just yeah basically just just teaching teaching them some some of some of his his stuff. Wow. Yeah, it's fun. I remember watching Columbo grown now, it's something I probably have to re-watch because it was definitely one of my favorites actually just I think there's something about I mean as well as you know, just like in kind of detective crime-solving stuffing from the beauty of it is compared to other similar shows is you get to see I don't know if you remember you get to see who did it. So, you know right from the start who the culprit is and the name of the the the beauty of the effort of watching it the entertainment comes from seeing how he figures it out. It's like a different dynamic between know who's on it. And then there's a whole I think just a nostalgia. Likes 70s and 80s rather the quality of the video wasn't gray and you've got like the old cars and you know, just a kind of classic kind of elegant ways that people dream. Yeah. I think I just all those things. I just really like the Nostalgia and I kind of like I think just stuff from that era in general you really I'm definitely going to have to put it back into my Cube home. So when that kind of leads me to this next question and you're connecting with people all over the world right in in the work that you do and so do you ever feel like because you you have this accent in that you're exposed to so many different people and so many different cultures. Do you ever feel like that? You need to be a certain way or have a certain age sauna to project like, oh, I'm I had this accent and I'm this person like do you ever feel like you have this Persona that you have to project versus who you really are? Yeah. That's a shame. interesting question I'd say yes, but I wouldn't necessarily say that comes from having my action and being where I'm from. I think that's more just I think probably just the expectations I put on myself and also like a weird thing like, you know, you know about the blog that I've got and then you know, I ran a summit and you know, since they're not been doing more kind of interviews and I think there's a bit of a weird thing where it's like oh cuz I've done this Summit. I feel like I should be more of an expert and you find yourself kind of trying to hold that when you're connecting with others who then also also I kind of assumed the same thing and I got an email actually from someone over night which was lovely from you know, someone who you know subscribes to the blog and they they ended it was saying, you know may be really lovely message such a lovely message and she was like She ended it saying you know, I kind of it's a fair like I've kind of got you sound strange, but I've gotten to know you kind of online and so I you know, I just felt that I just wanted to share some things about myself with you. And you know, I'm sure you get so many of these messages so I kind of thought about it, but I did it anyway and I was like, you know in some ways it's I was like, oh man, cuz I really I really love receiving those messages and I would never want anyone to I think that just something weird happens with perception online when you're kind of in some sort of Limelight and in a way you can also can also feel like people feel less connected from you. Cuz as that barrier there, I don't know if you know what I'm talking about cuz I know you've been yeah, you know, you've had to perform. I know you've done again kind of work home kind of video and audio based where you're you know, presenting. You know what I'm talking about I do and it's interesting because I think we initially connected on Twitter right off and I have found that most often I will get a response from a CEO or someone that I'm like, oh my God, they would never answer me and they'll answer me on Twitter page. It's Julie that same thing like why are they answering me of all people because they're this person right and over the years to the course of my doing that like literally if I want to reach out to someone I will try and find them on Twitter before trying to reach out to their PR person and nine times out of ten. They'll answer me with like hey, what's up? How's it going? You know, there isn't this pretense or this? You know, oh my God, you suck on you reach out to me. And so I think it's important for people to recognize that regardless of our standing or even how people view us. We're all people, you know completely and so I yeah, I just today it's so interesting. I had someone reach out to me and she asked me about you and she asked me about INF club and she's like, what is this thing? Should I do it and you know who's running it off? And so I was saying oh, you know Jazz and he and I and then it dawned on me like she doesn't know that about you and so of course she would feel like oh, you know, would he answer me if if I emailed him And I was just like yeah, he totally would but real and and like I say, we wait we're talking about it and we and we know logically, you know, everyone that came in but I think that has some some somehow, you know lost or forgotten and there's the whole thing that comes with her if I send an email and then I don't get an answer back then I just going to feel silly and you know, all this stuff that goes on so long. That's so interesting. Yeah. It's a weird thing isn't it this whole perception of yeah who people are and kind of status and again, I think it's an ego thing. In us and in society, which creates that in the first place, that's my feeling. So also we've talked before about labels, right? And so do you think of yourself as a creative writer a blogger? Like what is your job title or do you do you feel that you need to subscribe to one title? Yeah again great question. I really struggle with this because like my my bio on Twitter is instead kind of ties in with this. I have a real hard time saying who I am and kind of what I do just because either feel like I'm not doing myself Justice and there's so many things I am and it also feels quite limiting but also and then by that and then I end up kind of thinking. Oh actually now my being kind of fake and generous because I've said on this but and I'm kind of feel like I'm bringing in because I'm kind of still and I think again another reason for that is in the last four or five years. I've been in a bit of a state of evolution. It feels like with God what I do in quotation marks, so I tend to you know when I'm not freaking out and I am quite good at hiding the Freak Out most people don't really notice. How what I tend to do is I think it depends on who asks and I try and keep it just as simple as as possible. So, you know, what? Am I said at the moment? I think if you look on my kind of not mentioned in my Twitter bio, I think I say, I'm an infp. I'm a writer and I'm a blogger and then I think I got something wrong. Find out the end saying I'm a enthusiastic we need to poop. So I think what I'm tending to go with at the moment is, you know infp writer and blogger and I guess you know, I put down Twitter could I speak to also the kind of people I always want to connect with and also, you know that, you know feels most relevant and kind of feels like who I am, but then you know aside from that I do tutoring work and I don't mention that in my bio, but you know, I mentioned that on my kind of portfolio website that I've got so we can feel quite complicated and I can have some hard times answering that question wrong and I feel like a bit of a a just a human with lots of different moving parts and be this whole kind of portfolio career thing, you know, the potential light and really resonates with me and and it feels like it it's resonating. With a bit more and more of our kind of the world is changing and then people are kind of more embracing, you know, their whole selves and and wanting to kind of create a you know, a life and work and an identity around those different parts. So identifiable answer your question directly. But yeah, that's some of the stuff that gets thrown up for me. When that when people ask, you know, what do you do or do you call yourself? And this is something that you and I have talked about at length, right? It's like, how do you how do you sort of Define yourself? And how do you present yourself with the world so that they know how to be with you, you know, someone is looking for writing or blogging or or if it's a service that we ever had it how do they find you? If you don't give yourself a title, which is not necessarily the same as how we see ourselves, right? Because I I have embraced being multi-purpose. I do lots of things but there is no way that I can put all of those things in like a 50-word a hundred or by own or should I because I think that's just a bit off too much. Yeah, but it's an it's a it's like a fine line of a nice a fine line. there is no right or wrong answer but then yeah if I write too much I'm like, you know, this is a bit falan this probably comes from I need to you know, full control to try and be perfect and then on the other hand you kind of want to do yourself, you know Justice and you know, give a Colorful representation of of who you are right and the things that you do so yeah, it's a it's a tricky one it is and I think in one of the reasons why doing this podcast for me is so important is it's an opportunity for people to recognize that we're we all have a common ground where we're all we're all different and yet the same in that we're all struggling at some in some aspect in how we present ourselves who we are what's our purpose how we present that found that is not unique and that's not anything that should be seen or received as negative or it's just something that's a part of our personality and emotion of our Evolution a part of our growth is saying yes, I am capable of doing these many things and my deciding to focus on one thing or many things at any given time. Is a benefit and a blessing and it's not to be looked upon as you're flaky or you don't have purpose of it. You know what I mean? Does that make sense? Absolutely. Yeah. No, that's really important. And and I guess also too I guess on the kind of flip side of that is giving yourself permission just to work on one or two things at a time. Cuz something I can do is get them excited and I just want to do all the things because like I'm I just just so many things I've kind of could do and want to do any any one moment in time, but I've found that it's most conducive for me just to focus on one or two of those right and to maybe kind of write things down and just put other things to the side whilst I focus on those one or two things off. But yeah natural working progress and really important conversation to have cuz I think this is this is very real and I think a lot of a lot of us off, you know find a challenge or at least, you know have this stuff on our minds. So yeah great questions. It's certainly it's been taboo for a really long time. I think. And for for any person to suggest, I am a jack origin of many trades instead of one thing. This is the one thing that I'm going to do for the rest of my life. I'm going to make income. I'm going to support my family with this one thing and it's very it's very a Maverick mentality to come out and say I'm capable of doing many things. I'm gonna do many things I may or may not make money at doing these things, but I'm still going to do them. And I think now more than ever is an opportunity for those of us who who were in positions of leadership in that way of stepping out there and saying yeah, I'm I'm doing this stuff and it's not to say that I'm better than anyone are that I know exactly what I'm doing as I'm doing these things, but I'm still going to do them because this is a part of my growth and my package, you know, it might Evolution I think now was the best time to do that completely. Yeah, I couldn't agree more and I think the I think the the the first the first time I came I was kind of came across something was given gave me that permission was Emily Webb Nick who's got the Ted talk and she's got a Blog party life. He talks about multipotentialites. Yeah, you know how you know, you've got generalists and then you got scanners and it was like, oh actually I'm kind of feel like I'm more in the morn the scanner Camp wage and then I know you know people like Marie forleo have talked about introducing themselves as you know, I forget I forget the part in in our book exactly how may calories but she basically, you know in answer to the question. What do you do? She just Embraces being as you know, a scanner and having a portfolio career just coming out and saying that that's the thing like, oh, yeah. Actually I'm I've got a portfolio career. I do this and I do this again. I just think that's that's just beautifully kind of just owning who you are and yeah, like I said, A kind of whacking away some of those taboos in the process because for a long time and even now, you know, it feels like you need to just have one answer to that question and my answer is your identity. So right things are definitely changing for the better. I feel and it's interesting. I think earlier you nailed it for me there. There was a point where I had thought about for a business card putting human. What do you do I live. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I put that on my Twitter bio at once to another yeah just humid, you know because that is certainly something that we all have in common but then another on another occasion. I wanted to put you know, when someone says what do you do anything I want that's that's my bio again. Yeah, just beautiful. Maybe not maybe not the best in terms of like, you know founding and communication but I love it. Yeah, I love the Simplicity and just the openness and the freedom that that brings going that route know. I've got my power meant lately a complete package like it. Well, we'll see what my next iteration is. But so with everything that you do as a creative person writing and blogging and everything else. How do you keep yourself organized? How do you manage productivity? Yeah me organized. Wow, I could have I could have just you know, not said anything. I mean, yeah, I haven't been called and I've been it's been alluded to that. I'm an organized person off for me. So I I this is this is actually important really important question because organization isn't my forte and I mentioned that freedom is important to me and I think kind of the dream of version of that is, you know, Jazz wakes up and he does whatever he wants but I you know realized that that isn't conducive wage to a getting things done and be my mental health so having a routine and structure of sorts. Is helpful. I find that mornings are really important and probably that time before bed as well. And yeah, then there's that kind of bit in the middle which against always a bit of structure. So I like to sit on a good day choose two or three things that I want to do that day down there. Yeah. There's a someone someone I followed online had something called the three most important thing. So just choose a you know, three most important things you wanted to change take them off. So, yeah, I think that's one of the things actually which I Now working on right now just kind of finding my sweet spot in terms of having enough of a having enough of a a structure but not feeling confined by it off. And yeah, and I think kind of zooming out from that journaling really helps me just to check in with kind of where I'm at and whether I've got too much on my plate whether I need to mix things up a bit. So yeah, I think it's kind of a mixture between having kind of enough of a structure through writing down those couple of things starting the day off well in the morning, so I mean that's kind of getting up on my do some journaling and then I might go for a walk and like a little work out in the park near me and then at generally speaking. I think I prefer to do my creative work in the morning and just to be with myself and in my body rather than you know, if I'm doing to 2 a.m. You know, I've got calls or you know, I'm recording interviews. They're they're great find the really nourishing but it can take me away from me. And it I take can't take me a little bit but to settle back down to myself again and feel grounded and be present with you know, kind of writing. So yeah. Kind of creative work in the morning and other stuff later on and yeah, as I say, I'm kind of still still really figuring out figuring that out as I go but I've definitely identified that I need to have enough structure without feeling overwhelmed by it right now. That's actually in you've made that recommendation to me before birth. And I think it was Lawrence the Paula our mutual friend that she said for her to top five. And so I've kind of like I do my top-three or top-five and that's been helpful a bigger issue for me though. Is that my three or five they have sub-categories. But yeah, so has the my three or five will turn into 10 if I'm not careful, but I do I I like that concept of, you know, getting the creative stuff done before doing the business stuff because personally I tend to do an intermix of all of the above and that doesn't always With me, it's interesting. You say that so we're currently in on I'm in London. We're in lockdown and I needed to kind of go back to basics and actually give myself a routine, but also like a better one for I guess kind of the the change in circumstances. On my list of three things to do number 1 and 3 were just to be in my body whether it was journaling or you know something with my family or you know, being outside or moving or whatever. It might be off and the number two sounds so lovely in principle. Number two was just like filled with like a bunch of tasks like or squeezed into that number two. Okay. So proud of myself one of three Jazz be in your body are so beautiful. The number two was just admin and this list of this list of all this stuff I think and I think for me I would say who as much as I can to give myself like single bits to do and I'm trying to again be less on my laptop. So, you know, actually write things out and then type it up because I realized that I my laptop and just me as a person. I can't help myself. I really like tinkering with stuff. I am not I'm just again, it's a big chunk of perfection thing. I'm always I might give myself something to do and to be honest at the moment. I'm doing it feels like I'm doing a lot of tinkering only because I just started stuff and you know, when you you know, when you're uploading stuff and you're still kind of getting the format in place and you'll still having to do things for the first time before you've got templates an element of tinkering involved. So yeah, I try and get myself tasks to do and you know limit the tinkering or you know, I call Friday my admin day where i'm more allowed to, you know, do some of the more mundane Add many tasks and like I say, I just try and focus on like creative, you know, like kind of deep work if you like again, I show all of this in principle, you know, that's what I'm kind of aspiring to it doesn't always work out that way in practice. Now, do you have any like favorite apps or any type of software that helps you to keep this or what you're hoping to have as a ideal situation? Yeah. So I mean I said I said I could change one thing I've realized recently. I actually don't want to spend more than four hours on my laptop a day and that includes video calls that include stuff. I'm creating and that's you know 2 in the morning to Thursday afternoon. So I think that you know cutting to like the the route if you like is laptop time on laptop for a bunch of reasons. I want to spend less time on my timer. And there are things like there's an app called Freedom which lets you block stuff and you know, you can make exceptions, but you can for 15 minutes or 30 minutes or an hour or so. I'm I'm going to block this stuff just so I can't use anything but say make an exception for I don't know Gmail, you know, just in case I'm doing a I've got a call coming up and you know, I need to click the link or you know, whatever it might be. So yeah, I quite like quite like using that money and you had just for me. It's just trying to be more intentional about what I'm doing and just do one thing at a time without you know, flicking in and out of Staff or flicking from Twitter to my email off to checking the news or you know, whatever it might be. That sounds very judgemental Jazz. Thank you so much judgmental on myself off. Me. All right. Yeah. Well, yeah, like like I say that might be that might be working out well for you may I don't know I for me I and I think I'm just realizing it like how I feel but also in stuff I'm reading like I'm reading one of Cal Newport books at the moment who talks about deep work and I'm just like yeah my life a table grade you want to change my relationship with technology and just because like I say the in a worst-case scenario, I spend all day on a laptop sitting in and out of stuff tinkering Windstar feeling really like crappy because I've got into this state of like like I worry about whether I've this is right or wrong to change it again, and then I've just spent the whole day doing that and and actually just not getting a lot done and I feel crap. So yeah, it's just trying to change that really dead. Now, I I certainly appreciate that because I find myself they're a lot because my time even though you know, I'm a freelance professional. I've been doing freelance work from home stuff for years. My time is still limited because I still have a job that I go to and I feel like I have client work and that that sort of takes me away from my creative work. So my creative time for me to work on my projects is actually diminished. And so if you like Whittle that down creative time admin time, it's even less so so that's probably a bigger reason why I'm flitting in and out of stuff. But I I do appreciate that you're you're giving me that reminder that I need to step away from flitting and spend a lot more time on my creative stuff since my time in in that realm is very very limited. So thank you for that. Yeah, and like I say, it's it's useful. You're welcome. It's useful for me talking about this stuff out loud as well. It kind of helps me shape and reinforce and also realize I think so, you know when I was talking about exceptions and I use a Gmail example and I gave the reason oh, you know, cuz I might need to connect with God. I might have a call that's coming up. I've just realized again. There's ways around that, you know, I could save the zoom Link at the start of the day and still have email blocked because again, like I say wage is another one for me cuz I don't I don't get alerts on my Mac or my my my mobile phone, but what that can sometimes lead it just this weird. Kind of incest and checking or the emails and the thing again that comes from like an underlying. Underlying anxiety may be and you know, especially if I'm kind of worried about staff and you know, I can just be checking, you know a lot. So yeah, like I say, it's just really useful table this stuff. I allow cuz I feel it helps kind of cement things for me as well. I will say that one thing that I've done for the last few months and it's been really helpful is that I don't get along hurt on my phone. So that anytime I'm on my computer that's work time. So that is my time for social stuff. So and it's interesting because I have people that they're like, well, why didn't you see my my update or see my whatever and I'm like if it wasn't during business hours, I'm not going to see it until the next day because I didn't get that alert on my phone, So that's been helpful for me is to not have the alert on my phone so that when I close my laptop that means I'm unavailable. Absolutely. Yeah alerts or just intense. Yeah, I think I yeah, I'd switch those off a little while ago and also, you know, what's app. I don't think you use WhatsApp J. But just turning like the read receipts off as well. You just quite quite nice and quite freeing. Yeah, I mean definitely finding finding a sweet spot. I mean I I get alerts for my my text messages and I get alerts from Google Hangouts because the people who have access to those are my people, you know, but yeah, if it's if it's work-related then it's it's relegated to work time. Which you know for you a big part of your work is INF Club, how how often do you come to create an F club and tell us what INF Club is to begin with? Yeah, so I was actually thinking about this recently I since 2015 so I kind of left my job to go back and study a masters. Just you know, figure out what I want to do with my life. I started blogging and I I think I'd just discovered. I was an introvert and you know, I kind of took it from there but I've always really blogged about personal growth and I guess from the lens of you know, being an introvert and then kind of INF Club is probably my fourth or fifth blog. I've run for introverts on kind of that theme or subject if you like or personal growth, I guess it's kind of a specific song introvert if you like infps and Jay's and it's kind of introvert to I guess identify as being highly sensitive like a lot of A lot of infps and Jays our introvert but also they identify with you know, being sensitive or kind of intuitive, you know empaths and that sort of thing. So, yeah, so it's just found out really naturally just happened and as a result of you know my blogging and you know, kind of slowly just moving forward and things just kind of organically and natural taking shape of found myself, you know more drawn to I guess in line with my own Journey, you know, I was an introvert and then I realized I was an iron F-Type ending and that came with its unique stuff off and then I get I think above that as well as kind of writing about my stuff. I've just always been and again, I've been part of communities myself Community is really important to make for different reasons or just think people like minded people coming together. It can be so nourishing in different ways. So I kind of wanted to you know have a dead Log, but also, you know have I guess Inter-Community cannot connection and discussion and not just a bit. Not not it not just be about me kind of sharing my stuff if that makes sense. Yes, definitely. So yeah, like I say, I'm still really feel like it's kind of early days and it's it's coming together in a blogging Journey continues. But yeah, I think I just always been interested in in kind of personal growth and You know, whether it's you know, figuring out what you want to do work wise again, that's something you know, which I've I've been doing and a lot of others a lot off of other seem to at one point or another whether it's in a managing your energy, you know, kind of meditation, you know Health Wellness stuff and they yeah kind of talking about that stuff and then I guess just providing a place for us all to come together because for whatever reason we feel a little bit different a little bit odd, and there's a lot of kind of shared experiences. We have found. Yeah, that's kind of where the community piece comes into it. So as I say, it's just really that sounds sounds a bit silly. It's just just kind of happened organically given a little bit of a boost if you like by this Summit that I co-hosted with that mutual friend of ours you mentioned earlier Lawrence our Paulo dead. But yeah, just like just like blogging and talking about stuff and then that eventually led to me talking about stuff buying a piece and Jason m e r. Well, I love Iron Chef Club. I you know obviously being a part of the INF some it was really interesting to see so many other infps coming together kind of Jays and I nappies but then also going back to the INF called after that and seeing especially that introduction post that you did seeing how many people were just all over the world and and you know recognizing and relating and having conversations and saying where they were from I was like, these are introverts. Okay people that are not afraid to speak up and introduce themselves, but only because they're in the safe place of the INF Club. So I'm I'm grateful for the space. I love them. Reading and listening to the podcast interviews that you're doing. So I I love I love the trajectory that I see that i n f p i n f club that you know and how you get bringing people together and just how you're adding different elements as it's growing. So I'm I'm very grateful. No. Thanks Jay. That's really kind of you. And yeah, it's off mostly just kind of following following my gut my instinct with with kind of what to do with it. And as I say that Community peace is really important. So I'm just trying to find I guess as much as I can ways of bringing kind of people together and like I say, there's Different Strokes for different folks and I think people feel comfortable with things at different times. So, you know, you might start out initially kind of introducing yourself in the Forum, but then actually if you're if you're kind of wanting to go in a little bit deeper, there's these kind of virtue working sessions that I've recently started. So yeah, it's been fun again. I'm trying not to do too many things with it at once because I get excited and then I end up, you know, I'm giving myself feeling my plate too much and giving myself too much to do and giving you know myself more opportunity to freak out and and Tinker with stuff which we've already, you know said that I don't walk by you know, it's not not good for me. But yeah, I know it's been a lovely experience so far and I'm yeah cuz I said to kind of see where it goes from here. So I've got what I think could be a loaded question. I may come off as heavy, but I'm really interested to hear your response. So I'm going to give you a few seconds to think about it. If you can sum up in one or two two words, what's the most important lesson you've learned over the course of your creative Journey off. Here's a question. Can you say in a couple of words if you can well I'll take I'll take a paragraph a sentence maybe and what it and it's just I just so I'm clear what I've learned on my creative Journey. Yes. I think that. There's no right answer. manage something I need to keep reminding myself of you know, whatever comes out is is supposed to come out just as it is kind of unfiltered. I love that. So let it Whether it's you know a blog post or a piece of poetry or you know, some fiction that you're writing there is no right answer. And in fact, I think the only right answer is whatever it is that comes out on the page. I really really like that. I think that is extremely insightful and inspiring to people who are worried or concerned at. How do I do this? And how do I do it right off? Exactly, which is a big one. I think for for many of us. Yeah, yeah. No that that's awesome. I know that that's kind of loaded. But I knew if anyone can handle it it would be you know, I have to embed rationally warn you Jay. I'm on low battery and I've just tried to plug the charger in and my charger isn't playing bull. Oh, hey, I didn't I don't know if you remember this. This happened not that long ago. So this is quite a few larger. So it looks like I'm not going to be getting much work done tomorrow cuz I'm not a good choice, which is with might be a good thing. But also wanted to warn you just cuz I'm on a couple of percent so he could die and it's sorry a little bit frustrating. So sorry about that. I guess we could always record Another bit odd how put the bit put the two parts of the recording together. But anyway, just giving you that warning even though that you're someone that I'm going to be speaking with again anyway, because you are Are just such an important person in my life. You're a wonderful creative. I continue to learn from you believe it or not. And I am just pleased that we've had this amount of time to you know, kind of let listeners know who you are and where they can find you in just again that you're just someone who's so inspiring to me. And so I thank you for this time. But I'm going to keep going as though we had more time sounds good. Yeah again, really lovely of you to say and absolutely but yeah, just like I said just to warn you if I if I drop off that'll be with like no worries. Well, one of my wrapping up questions is out of everything that you do being so busy with work and with with clients of what do you do for pleasure of like, how do you how do you decompress? What's your guilty pleasure? Yeah. How do I decompress I think first he's just giving giving I'm a I'm working on it, but I'm a bit of a workaholic and I think our first part of that is just giving myself permission to stop working at a certain time of day, you know, five 6:00 in the evening. Then what do I like to do? Yeah, I watching Columbo watching other stuff on yeah, you know Netflix and I've got a kid too. So I'm really enjoying I went through gone through I think for a while. I've not really been reading anything, but I've just ordered a couple of things on Kindle so I've been enjoying those Yeah, not doesn't sound extremely guilty in terms of those Pleasures that I have but hopefully that's funky enough for you. Well, I mean if you find that those things are restorative and it gives you a break from you know, quote unquote work then. Yes, we we can count them. Also the speed just being outside feet on the ground back on the floor. I love having my back on the floor. I love doing twists. So this is where some of you know my kind of stretching and yoga of the past as a Yeah, help continues to serve me but yeah being outside and kind of feet on the ground as well whether it's inside or outside. That's awesome. And again, I just be on the ground, you know, so nice an example for me that I I need to get more of that in my life. So with with INF Club, you know off on the heels of the summit, which was awesome success. What else do you have going on? What's on the horizon for you? Yeah, so it's continuing to lean kind of into INF club and you know, I've just I'm kind of recording conversations off. And I believe we will have to continue with jazz on another occasion which he kind of warn me about which you know what that's fine, because that's the other beautiful thing about real talk is we keep it real and we don't try and have too much of a Polish show, and so a lot of things that off Jazz and I talked about during this episode. I will make sure that the links are in the show notes that you can find him at INF club, and of course the social media links and some other things that we mentioned in the episode as well again, just for my listeners to recognize that today. I was talking with jazz happy over at wage INF club, and I'm going to make sure that I follow up with him so that we can get a part two to this episode. Thanks everyone for listening and I'll speak with you again.

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Footnotes: Your Sex Stories

My Dad Wrote a Porno

18:08 min | 1 year ago

Footnotes: Your Sex Stories

"At Toyota we assemble cars and trucks right here with American hands. American hands at the design table and on the assembly line handing over keys hammering assembling hardworking hands hands that volunteer hands that served our country hands. The coach T. ball the hands that assemble our vehicles. Hold us together. You're so when we get asked who we are. We proudly raise our hands and say we are Toyota. USA Toyota vehicles and components are assembled in the US using US and globally sourced parts America. We are coming on tool and bringing a brand new rocky chapter with us to read to you. Live in twenty twenty. It's Belinda thirty thirty so we'll have to be insane a rocus of bills and of course parts. You get to choose what Belinda gets up to. We're going all over from east coast to west coast and we're playing radio city which will be our biggest show yet go to my dad. wrote porn dot com dates and tickets. And if you want to get in the mood you can listen to all berliners adventures on a cast. Hello and welcome to my dad. wrote to put note time. How are you both? I'll glorious area's great. I've had the laptop Sola but listen to what our sadness and that that has some quite incriminating recordings on it seriously. There's the old of architects do not open it. Mom My favorite thing is that they left the bag they took. They took the laptop out of the bag. Left the party. Yeah so in this week's chapter Belinda. Ambala found themselves in Australia and they had sex in many many weird and wonderful locations a youth hostel the beach what else. What a bad basically they have the giant of course that they made from hot steam personna which we presume they had the orgeon Gambia? They've gone all over the sharp. Yes so we thought before to ask you guys where the weirdest strangest places you ever had sex and my God. You won't shy. Ah this hour on instagram. Thinking Wall to responses probably thousands. I'm not even joking. You couldn't leave up. It was ridiculous. The amount people want to share. I mean they want to be anonymous honest. So let's keep everyone's dignity we mention any names. Jesus Christ he wants to start off. It's just voyeuristic basically isn't it. We've hooked the theme of being inspired by this assode. But honestly I just like to read just rubbing my legs and earning the thing that struck me most was how many people have had sex in McDonalds. Oh it's how to even use the Lewis. You're not a patron of the fast food chains sex. I'm presuming the toilet or do you just mean by the sources. His used to work in McDonalds and had sex on the children's policy not table. It was not a party going on Godspeed. Remember your Fifth Birthday Birthdays McDonald. Why did we do? Yeah those those cheap. It was easy. Wasn't it on Ronald McDonald was there. I think I had the hamburglar remind remember the hamburglar very strange. was he another another McDonald's worker. I used to work at McDonald's restaurant and have had sex in the storage area in the roof. The Freezer Commend Joe Pigeon and the walk in refrigerator chilly but the thrill of getting caught added to the Simon. Don't shake that's why so. Some of them only require the headline. I'm I'm to me. This is a winner literally outside the dumpster with a stranger on Saint Patrick's Day. I don't even eat. Anymore is the nation and signed off. Obviously Abella this one. One time I got very very drunk and a guy that I met in a club Esteban. It's about to his place but he'd lost his keys so they ended ended up climbing through a window and they began their sexual encounter and he thought that sort of a strange chair to have in your house but didn't think anything of it and later on he. He sobered up and then he realized that you'd actually climb through the window of a Church Hall and the Chair Church plinths home my God but and that's ex- it's in the church hall. Yeah Good Lord that's obviously not appropriate but kind of cool. Yeah got did not. Not where does place. I've had sex in a goat. Shed I oh spent nibbled my pomegranate Nipple Group of school children came to visit the goats and my nipple was bleeding heart in agony. There's a lot there. Let's UNPACK IMPAC. So she was in a we'll even go shed and she got actually nipple boy real life whilst having having human and then it goes nipple Alta Nipple when. She was concentrating on other things I mean. I don't know how you wouldn't see coming up in Right Jeannie like that. You Chew it before it got the nipple you would think although in that moment you attention might wonder yeah and then apparently school kits wrapped up this woman doing with different doing work. I'm not sure she was working at the the school children. That kind of asks more questions than answers isn't it really becomes similar one except not really so sexy. That boyfriend started to to to experiment with outdoor sex And they were walking through Hampton Court Palace and they started to have sex in a Bush and she he had no top on and just skirt no top pond gas she was topless but have had like a girl very bill and she says I was in full throttle on top shaky my body before we knew a young kid was watching as after football got kicked into the book now baby. Tori's doctors goes everywhere in these stories that say they were practising an old traditional eighth to to court his six wives. I mean that is thinking on your feet. Yeah I mean maybe maybe you well did show. He did do that traditional many times. When and you just shoot the kid away rather than being like watch this? Turn go this person's interesting. She says my husband and I had sex in my parents. I wouldn't close it once. They came home and we were right in the middle of in that bad as they ran into the closet. I decided just to finish up. Heck that's disgusting right. Someone attacks in a cinema disabled toilets knockout during mean girls as it was oblivious fulfill. I don't know what more offended offended about the fact that there's a terrible film. Hey attention you'll learn something in it. It's mean tastic. For a reason I got one here. My boyfriend and I had sex backstage at assert disarray. CAST party behind the restroom trailer. I couldn't even Joe it because I was certain it was going to get fired. Why is everybody everybody having sex at work to the work so to Soleil though they'll be very bend over the last eight women in human isn't it and how much they can you? Please keep this anonymous and this one is from mandate on a couch on the side of a mountain the captured been that for quite some time. Oh aw make me feel so beige a juicy Sofer because you can imagine it'd be spongy and full of light stuff wouldn't it. What's it's been on it? This is mad because we've been to some landmarks and a half together and very busy places. If you go to a major city in your climate our I've live kind of had sex at the top of the Tower in Toronto. The girl I was with at the time and I decided to take a remote control vibrator with us to add a saucy twist to US icing. They've taken hey can props control. We entered the base of the tower with everything in place and having given the vibrates refute. Test runs before we arrived however we were both somewhat concerned to see we would would have to go through an airport style. Security including body scanners worried that it might lead to Okla questions about the device shoes concealing and the trigger for it and my pocket. Fortunately we pass through security with no alarms being self. Hopefully the story has not now called my see Intel security like my macaroni and find globe mailing list and end up. Having a very enjoyable visit to the famous landmark. We even managed honest to get some innocent looking tourists photos taken while she was having to conceal the fact the vibrator was on full power houses but to be fair like even if they saw the insecurity not both at the Taylor off. You can't vibrator in the world we live in if you can't take a vibrator at the tower I don't want to live in. Someone says a pedal in Corfu that my arm paid for it hasn't brackets. They weren't on board. Yeah but he was paddling. What am I guess? At the same time while they sailed round the cliffs out of sight of the beach and they made it back in time for the sixty minute limit so everybody wins. But it's always too long as sixty minutes out of Hadlow so you're gonNA have to spend some time doing something else because you don't need I'd say thirty five minutes Max and then you just waiting to take it back. We're we're all over the head with a peddler is a rowboat in Central Park New York Ready Fund flight. Ten minutes and we were like what do we do now. Just let me just made. You rose the go-to sobering this person's very adventurous. Let's go to the airport wrote at the gate under some codes. No Code in a cemetry on a dog in a library required. Yeah we'd have to be quite unsatisfying. SEX WOULDN'T IT SH- them one time in a car in a parking walking garbage. Beeping the horn with my ass. Even imagine he'll she is. I mean. Very every Belinda. Very Belinda. This quite exotic we had sex camped on an unrestored part of the Great Wall of China. It was way too humid to have sex and it's like being in a greenhouse and it's got one tall shrug Emoji some hair saying I actually lost my virginity in a secret room behind a bookcase. How the House itself was the historic feels like a priest? Is this the duchess his house. The house itself was a historic mansion. Someone was playing Beethoven's fifth in the other wing of the House shutout. I spent the entire time trying not to laugh. Apartment didn't seem to notice the music music. I still call them here. It without bursting to fit of giggles to this day. I call bullshit but all say thank you story. This person did it. In a solder it was turned down and then we fully clothed. I would sex in the toilet Blackpool bus station and we broke the toilet. That's people visit to this very day. You can see that toilet family was waiting outside having heard Utah. My God against a wall between the church in an undertaker's during during her sister's engagement party a lot of the next door to each sufficient with people in walls I've been bent over Hadrian's wall me and my boyfriend were out onto lovely. Walk around. Say One thing led to another. What do you mean not one thing? Let's say you went for a lovely publians. That's what happens. And we recreated the Henry the the Eighth Adele his one not me getting laid by once walked back to my bed in an eighteen bed hostel dorm thought this was very pertinent to find a couple of going the on my bed. Come on now thinking I could make it funny. I just perched on the end of the bed. Instead which didn't seem to deter them then tried clapping Jolie early encouraged it. Isn't that how you show away. Raccoon not. Stop having sex on your hostile bed. slept on the floor. Then one of them pissed themselves which my hair when it's through the sheets Holiday five thousand trip advisor. Who Goes National? I think he's got hot and heavy and they heard some weird noises like a low pitch screen goats stepping back. Think about have you heard to scream. Oh really high pitched like quite human scream. Yeah it's hilarious areas videos of people around aggrandize. It's a good. It's a high pitch. Can you give me an old goat. That's not even pack of those as you go in. There was competition. Should someone who takes a smart car. They're very small. Does Not Allow Room. Has the way this one. We thought yeah good. Better the weirdest place I've ever had sex was in a dog run run. I used to work at a clinic. My boyfriend would go with me on the weekends to take care of the boarding animals and we used to lay down blankets fool around while the dogs run around outside so strange changed. Be having sex in a room that smells of wet dog urine. Oh Jamie I'm worried. This wants from you on a set on stage in a third. Yeah I didn't know it at the time but the guy was technically living at the theater and sleeping on set for free in exchange for work. You have you been doing. This is offered backstage. I can imagine from place to have sex but no onstage. Fuck sharing a pound. I'm not very Jamie's all your ideas. Little Place Conquest. What about this one? This is old school videos games. I'll are the blockbuster. We both worked with video game. But they were very exposed flocked. There was no cover often dead often. Yeah yeah well. I'm getting though from a lot of these people all really bothering to hide light it just kind of power. The king doing outside Dangerous Roy. I just don't get that though Because you know sometimes when people are against the clock that can affect performance. I think thinking that somebody's GonNa burst in surely that's going to have an impact. Obviously no obviously not wanted to blow up in the back of my dad's car whilst he was driving thatt's Dot's Oh that makes me wanNA cry. Pretty show he hadn't a clue pretty sure someone was someone on the flight and they both the job of together they were like turned on by the likes to think that smart. Wait with those airline. Blankets I think MAG rim. I know the put them in plastic wherever they come from being recycled. Strange and I'll say hey. These plastic guys go here. We can all relate to this train toilet whilst drunk which may not sound original. But here's the other trauma it was one of those big cubicles with the automatic door opens opens worrying about those young girl and her mates came on a press. The button all either of US could do stunned with our pants down and looking really sad and sorry repeatedly heatedly jumping the door close to hide in there until the end of the line whenever off because of the shame. I've been to the toilet just to do normal toilet things not to have sex and do panic that they're just going to open a new I swear they don't lock and also. Why did they talk to you? Knew do you ever get sexy and turned on the other. Hello I'm Toyah. Oh yeah please be kind to me. Is that what it said. Talk to you know. It's the weirdest thing. Actually I think of anything on sexier than British train toilet anyway. I saw recuperative. I did once open door on an old lady in the toilet in the toilet. Yeah what do you mean. Now she was on the on soil. Sorry semantics she was on the toilet. What do you mean why did you do that? It just hadn't locked properly on sorry she kinda made a wimp noise on at least it was me. That's supposed to be a good person so so I just closed the door again very way I never spoke again until I'm sure she'll be very pleased to be on a footnote. Shout out to Maggie. This won't want specific detail of because it seems to be a lot of these stories which is just having sex outside which I get I get went for a walk along some cliffs near the sea and proceeded to have have sexy times with my mind in a secluded bit next to the sea and a curious seal stayed. What's the show seal the autism? I I don't know why but this Baroque daveloped. This pre Heidi clue okay so there seems to be themes teams building at work outside in the car. This takes a turn. I didn't expect setting friends cottage on the dining table. Think rustic Canadian. My then boyfriend Naipaul new anal beads wall. I also think tennis full-sized and then he was Well pulling them out of me connector Brokaw and I was left with one in Tennessee's Desai's solid glass ball in my ass so I had to go into the outhouse washroom again Eh. RUSTIC and literally. Fish the ball out with my hand with a lot of dedication and leave. I was successful in retrieving the last ball the end somebody likes a beautiful story. The God he's still he's thinking playing not that actually people get to waking here stuff. Feel so beige. Oh they were so good. Thank thank you so and also note. Thank you so much for actually trusting with all these stories. It's kind of amazing that you did that. Yeah we've posted them publicly. Read it thank you for sending them in their hilarious. There's loads more so I'm just gonNA carry on reading the AD definitely. I'm also thrilled. The older blink getting some listeners or a sexy a bunch of vitamin.

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SYSK Choice: If Your Walls Could Talk & The Power of Positive Confrontation

Something You Should Know

40:34 min | 1 year ago

SYSK Choice: If Your Walls Could Talk & The Power of Positive Confrontation

"Today on something you should know when you think of memory loss you probably think of old people but at one age does mental function usually decline. Then the history of all the rooms in your house. Did you know that people all used to sleep in the same bed against the wall? He put you on my daughter next. Come another next comes to solve. This comes your son. Only then the outside the place any visits and you can see the whole point is to keep the men away from you on my daughter's then if you don't like tomato juice you should and if you still don't like it try drinking on an airplane and how to win at confrontation when you meet. Someone's aggression with your own aggression. You're giving that person power over you to get you upset when you realize that you can really work on training yourself to say a much more polite and powerful line all this today on something you should know with the capital one venture card you earn unlimited double miles on every purchase everyday and you can use those miles toward travel expenses like flights hotels rental cars and more just book and pay for your travel using your venture card and redeem your miles toward the cost capital one. What's in your wallet? Credit approval required capital one bank. Usa NA somethingyoushouldknow fascinating Intel. The world's Thomas I and practical advice you can use in your life today. Something you should. Now Mike carruthers. Well the recent numbers are in and January was our all time best month. We were now averaging about one point five million downloads or one point. Five million listens a month just was really good and as I mentioned before. Yeah we don't do a lot of advertising and promotion of virtually all of our listener growth has been word of mouth people like you telling their friends and that is very much appreciated. I up today when you think of memory loss you typically think of older people but when does memory loss actually begin if age fifty eight sixty will actually memory loss begins at age? Thirty five A study of about fifty thousand people ages ten to eighty nine was conducted by Mit and Massachusetts General Hospital. And here's what they found working memory. That's the ability to hold onto facts names or numbers for a short amount of time peaks at age. Twenty five and hold steady until about thirty five and then it starts to slowly decline long term memory actually increases until about retirement age and then it starts to decline. We also know that adults hold onto their memories longer today than in previous generations. So apparently we're we're doing something right but no one's exactly what it is. Maybe it's education or diet or crossword puzzles or who knows but it is clear that the more that you exercise your brain the stronger it gets and that is something you should know. Your home is amazing. It is the result of so much history. Each room has a fascinating story to tell and here to tell it. Is Lucy Worsley? Lucy worsley is chief curator at the historic royal palaces. That's an independent charity. That looks after the Tower of London Hampton Court Palace Kensington Palace state apartments in London and she is author of a book called if walls could talk an intimate history of the home. Hi Lucy and welcome and so if you're the curator of all these grand palaces why the interest in a in a little old home like mine. Well I spend my days working in some very grand buildings royal palaces working as a curator and when I'm home I actually live in a really boring modern flats so I'm used to exploring the history of you really magnificent amazing buildings and I thought well Kim. I do the same for for my own flat in central London and I did discover that each of the rooms in even the most boring modern building. I'll read interesting each means gossip story to tell well can you? Can we go through those rooms real quickly and you tell me a few fascinating things about each of those rooms. Well The Bathroom. Let's start in the buffet and this is in the. House that has the shortest history one hundred and fifty years ago? You would have washed yourself in your bedroom or the kitchen anywhere that you could find convenience and as part of my research. I tried out the loss of sort of practices from history. If you like one of the things that I did was the follow. A shooter personal haunting regime for a week so I didn't use the ball for the shallow. We'll shampoo toothpaste. And I discovered you can get pretty clean. Easing just a basement under close in your kitchen in your bedroom and the other advantages that you never have to queue. You can wash whenever you want to. The bathroom has such a short history but when the bathroom did come into place was it embraced right away. Well well sets. The pace in the development of is really Fears about health and it's the great cholera epidemics in in London. The Victorian period that make people get around providing PAPA SEWERS PROPER PLUMBING. Water flushing twitter about losing. And actually it's really interesting that this technology has existed for centuries Eliza first hand flushing toilets. But she didn't use it. It didn't catch him because she didn't have to go to the toilet. She wanted the toilet to come to her so she went on using the chamber. Pause and want you've got lots of servants is just easier kind of convenience to do that. He's only in the nineteenth century when we get this nexus of plumbing and disease coming together. The Muslim Duffy is born before we go on and talk about specific rooms of the house. I would imagine that this idea of having different rooms for different functions. You know we eat in the dining room. We sleep in the bedroom that that's a relatively recent and this is a big point about the hidden as a tough. The rooms did not have functions. If you think of a medieval peasants closest they had to do everything in just won't space there. Was they use it for working and sleeping and eating and any leisure time that they had they probably didn't have very much his time goes on and people get richer and they get more possessions and they get more different ways to spend that time? The houses develop more and more different rooms and in a funny source of the way. If you think well my own flat is is a studio is just one space and it's only histories come in a big circle if you like and it has quite a lot in common. My flat does with a medieval peasants. Cottage where you thought the fireplace in the middle. I've got my cooking. Hope in the middle. I called a safer in there in the daytime. I sit on the night time. Sometimes my guests sleep on it and then the other way modern central London. I'm living the life of a medieval peasant. Oh well lucky you talk about the bedroom. Let's Let's move over to the bedroom and not some of the history of that. Well today bedrooms a private places on that. You didn't go into somebody's bedroom without knocking off asking permission but a hundred years ago you would have been quite happy to share your bedroom. Even you'll beds with other people. People like your colleagues from work. Think about that and even with people that you didn't know tool necessarily and this idea of privacy in the bedroom is really a development of modern times many centuries people that being very happy to share the sleeping space really the ones that any better alternative if you think of a medieval house again. It's a great privilege to be warm and secure an inside and in company. P privacy was pretty low down the list of requirements and when people were sleeping community in these laws beds all in together special lose developed about the order in which you get in. This is a lost art now but if you will sleeping as a family in a bed against the wall you put your on my reduce up. Next comes the mother next comes to solve. Next comes you'll sun. Only then the outside deplace any visits a to your household like a traveling on pilgrim or Pinko. Somebody like that and you can see. The whole point is to keep them away from your unmarried daughters. Well how big were these beds? Where your pilot all these people in well Beds in the postal pretty loved because you puberty Nelson important but snuggling up for warmth is pretty important. We've got some instructions for my thing. The fourteenth century let me just check and they describe how to make a big bed. You get a big thank you fill it up with leaves. And it's twelve feet board twelve feet so that that's pretty sizable. That's definite need for for more than one person loading to people. I'd say it's a bad for family. And then some yeah exactly and bedding is quite sort of Easy come easy. Go you sleep on your cloak. You're you're back of stroll or whatever if you will lower down in society but at the top of society we do get the development of the fixed full posted that which is like a little room in a room and you know husbands and wives and children can go in there. They can shut the cousins and they can be women snug. I saw in the book. You talk about how medieval people sometimes slept sitting up. Which I I don't think most people know I didn't know that why. Why would they sleep sitting up? Well this is this. It bothered me for a really long time. If you look at pictures of people from the Paul Portrays and what have you. They often like the sleeping in a sitting up position. And I guess I'd always assumed that they'd been put like this. The office could share the face. Beth up. I saw this little mysteries my satisfaction. When it's positive my research I spend the night in a to bed and to the beds were Wasn't frame and then you got a rope and it goes up and down and side to side. It's like it's a little bit and before you get in. You have to tighten it up so that it doesn't psych too much and some people say that this is the origin of the expression nights night. Sleep tight to the bed. Bugs Bite. Is this process of tightening up the bed strings. The full you get in both evidently however tight you make it it just fags. It's like sleeping in a hammock and I found out by actually getting in and trying it out. If you sleeping in one of these beds you are forced to adults the position of a banana. You can't live there. That's why I think they look like they're sitting up in bed that could've can you imagine? I mean not being able to lie flat and sleep like I. I would like to think we're meant to sleep. That's amazing Lucy. Worsley is my guest. She is the chief curator at historic royal palaces. The Independent charity that takes care of the Tower of London Hampton Court Palace Kensington Palace state apartments and more and she is author of the book if walls could talk an intimate history of the home. Do you own or rent your home. Cheer you do and I bet it can be hard work you know what's easy bundling policies with GEICO GEICO makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go TO GEICO DOT COM. Get a quote and see how much you could save. It's GEICO easy. Visit GEICO DOT com. Today that's GEICO DOT com. Say hello to macy's star rewards now all members earn on every macy's purchase bronze members get one percent silver to gold and platinum members. Get five percent backing rewards and your rewards could be spent on anything at macy's even top brands plus get perks like free shipping gold and platinum members and more earning spending rewards exclusive gift card services and fees star rewards. It's how we love you back. Get the details in store on the APP or at macys. Dot Com slash star rewards? So Lucy let's move now into the kitchen which is frankly my favorite room and I think over the last several decades has become kind of the focal point of the home where the kids being on a journey really the hall in Latin. It's called the focus. It was the center of the Medieval dwelling was light. Bang in the middle of the room. It was the absolute half as the home but as time went on them. People got more money leisure time and gentility. They didn't want the noise in the smoke and the smell of the cookie so they pushed the kitchen out into separate building. Ideally this'll reaches its high point in the eighteenth century went in the grand country houses. You get the separate kitchen block at some considerable distance in the main house and The question people always ask is well. Well it's the suit's really cold and it wasn't because they employed these special strong thoughts footman who had run along the corridors of the heated dishes in the nineteenth century. We get urbanism. There isn't space the separate kitchens so they pushed down and under into the basement. As tool thin Victorian townhouses in the twentieth century. We get the two World Wolves We got the collapse that the whole infrastructure of domestic service. You know all these people who ca- the Victorian House voting the changes caused by the war. Mean they want to work southern city mall. And you get a sense off to the second world will. The household is returned to the in Kitchens. It becomes a social space once again a place for the family at the same time. And this isn't coincidental. It becomes a much cleaner more efficient more pleasant place to be and and I would say now today. The kitchen in the room of most people's houses is censored the home. It's where the family hang out. It's lot of people spend their time. And that's the funny salted veterans the Medieval once again so in the past were kitchens. I mean did they have utensils like we have now. Did they make do with something else was? It was at a safe place to be well. The the absolute bulk standard basic utensils. That medieval people had Were that round Boston's iron pots which hung some hook over the fire. And into it you would push the mainstay medieval diet which is kind of a soup the puts it any grain and he meets if you have any vegetables and you keep it. Bubbling away in this perpetual pottage. It's called because it's made in a pot and if you know the nursery rhyme pease pudding hot piece putting cold piece putting the sometimes literally nine days old because you told me it up. So that's the basic and that lost the centuries his any with the arrival of the kitchen range. You know these the iron. I'm flat tops. Construction which is so much fuel-efficiency the pulse gives way to the bullpen. Which has a flat bottom so you can sit neatly onto this new slats on hot plate on the top of the range now. These suspense made out of copper for good conductivity. The problem with copper. If it reacts with the with the chemicals in certain foods it creates a poison. So you've got to line copper pan with a tin lining and the Joba. Tinker is to go from door to kitchen door repairing any scratches. The people may get in the tin linings as their full. That's just warning. Sample of the new type of Utensil. That comes in as the industrial revolution. Happens and it's the new science of domestic economy is born in Brisbane. We get you know the new factories and then the people who've been building factories and machines look at the home and they think actually you know we can do better than the Apron. Hof we can introduce the range actually. The range was an American invention count from his name was. He was the man who fought that. I could put some sort of contraption into the open hall to make few if You know silverware and forks and knives and spoons stirring things in. I mean we had been around forever. Joe I'm NBA's had a four. But he was very normal until this point people have been using just a knife fingers so you would have here in personal life you carry it with. Jesus a slice you meet and then use the point to pick up the pieces and pop them into your mouth to the full begins to appear in the two period it really catches on in the Stuart period and then in the George imperative in the eighteenth century we get the industrial revolution. We get the consumer evolution and suddenly. There's a great explosion into all the different kinds of knives and forks and soup spoons and fish knives and silver teapots. And all these different things that you can get your table the Georgian ages the age of billing and consumerism. If you like his way for people to show off their their status in the wealth through that dining tables in the ways that dressed and lastly the living room well the living room is a room that really interests me. Because I see a person's living room as a kind of a theater because this is the room in the house where you're going to receive your guests if you have any so. It's the room what she wants to present. You'll public face to the world and if you go into somebody's living room you look at that books you know you look at that so toes you look at that ornaments or that says a good deal about who they all the education that family that wealth. So this is the room where people have concentrated you They've items of display. If you like you can read some of these living room light. You can read a book about the history over time. Living rooms have got more comfortable Textile items of increased If you think about The Industrial Revolution is important. Here again if you think about a two hour crap maybe he can afford to have a painted portrait of his relatives. Well by the time. He reached the nineteenth century. That's now the technology graffiti. Say Anybody can afford to have lots of pictures that relative to who the of photos in frames so we see this trickling down and things were luxuries in two times and becomes a little of absolute basics in Victorian Times. What's really interested in the insurance? What what really interests me about. Twentieth Century is the way You know there's been this proliferation of Junkin knickknacks and ornaments and stuff and Oguz swept away in the machine. Aesthetic modernism. Yeah I don't know if it's true in Britain as it is here but in many homes here. The living room has become almost a museum room where the kids aren't allowed in there. Nothing really much happens in there. That all happens in the TV room. No I I think that living rooms a lot of the time only for living that rooms the best behavior wake into your aged great for tea or coffee and real life I see takes place another rooms where it doesn't matter if things get spoiled so that's why they're like the Then they're like the best possible version of ourselves on they and that doesn't necessarily bear any relation to real life. Yeah but has that always been the case? Yeah Yeah I believe that. That's that has always been the case. Many people necessarily have the leisure time to spend money to to have a special room just for showing only comes when you've got wealth and leisure the Cheetah periods and then increasingly in the Victorian age. Everybody is aspiring to having one of these boobs just for impressing the guests. When DID PEOPLE START CLEANING THEIR TEETH? Well I believe people have clean that. He throughout history in the sixteenth century. People work leading that teeth but they weren't using brushes they using twigs with Stringy and Bushes will give you a sort of Proto blush that you can use The I know because I've tried to tell myself that a an excessive to way to do it is to get a cloth and to rub a mixture of salt and rosemary onto teeth. So because it's Abrasive with me has a nice taste and also it does have antibacterial qualities gargle with vinegar. And you feel fine. You don't need a process. You didn't need toothpaste in the late. Seventeenth Century. We do get the first two brushes being introduced and in Georgian Times. Wow takes off and get things like Dentists coming in and human tooth transplantation. This is a very short-lived Georgian craze. If you've lost your teeth and you're rich than you could buy the teeth of somebody who needed the money they come to your house. The dentists will come to your house. The teeth would be yanked out with pliers. They'd be popped into your enjoy and hopefully we'll take root it didn't it didn't last long because people realize the Diseases could be transmitted through this route as well as actual live teeth. Secondly there were concerns about abuse of organ harvesting from the developing world today and thirdly in the nineteenth century get a mention of Lubbock. Then I'll fill steve become suddenly a whole lot more comfortable and my last question is you talked earlier about you. Know privacy not being particularly important but but did all these people just get undressed and dressed in front of each other? I mean how did people ever get naked? It's really interesting question just POW Five did did people feel that that both functions were in the past. But let me tell you in seventeenth century. London Samuel peeps. He kept his close through which is fancy toilet basically. He kept in his drawing room. So you know that's really weird and when Kosovo visited eighteenth century London. He commented on the number of people that he could see. Just just Excreting everywhere in the bushes a saint. James's park. He found this Volvo uncouth. Certainly that's not the idea that certain things should only be done behind closed doors that we have today. This is a relatively recent invention and it's one of the privileges that we have being developed in all countries. Isn't it if you go to other parts of the world things very different things much more like they were backing history? Well it's so amazing to hear all the history and the stories that led up to where I live. You know the what has led up to the modern home. Thank you lucy. Lucy worsley is chief curator at historic royal palaces. That's the independent charity that looks after Kensington Palace state apartments the Tower of London Hampton Court Palace and others in London and she's author of a book called if walls could talk and intimate history of the home and you'll find the link to that book in the show notes ball loving the all new dual cameras ultralight on iphone eleven. Th You know what I love sprint. Turn that you can get the amazing iphone. Eleven zero dollars a month when you trade in your iphone successor newer in any condition. Seriously any condition so switch today visit your local sprint store. Sprint DOT COM or call. Eight hundred sprint one. 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Raise your hand if you like confrontation most of us think of confrontation as something to avoid at least until things get so bad that then we just have to explode and then the confrontation turns into a fight and nothing gets accomplished. But what if there was a better way? Well apparently there is according to Barbara Packer. Ter- Barbara Packer is somebody. I've known for a long time. She's an expert on business etiquette and she is really good at helping people deal with other people. Several years ago she wrote a book called the power of positive confrontation and more recently released. An audio CD called the power of positive confrontation the skills you need to handle conflicts at work at home online and in life. Welcome Barbara Good to talk to you again. And so this idea of positive. Confrontation seems like well. It seems like an oxymoron. Maybe it it even seems impossible. It does sound that way. Doesn't it and yet it's not. It is an alternative for people who want to confront somebody in what I call a polite and powerful manner and into way for you to put your words together. So what comes out of your mouth when you choose to say? Something is more apt to be calm. Direct specific and non accusatory which is in. My experience is not typically the way confrontation goes is. People have a tendency to avoid confrontations. They complained to others. They avoid the person they pretend there's nothing wrong but that's only one part of it. There's another whole group of people who become when I call aggressive confronted. They screamed Yale there. The bullied and a shout or they pick fights Very few people have ever been taught when I call this polite and powerful middle. There is in this. There is an alternative for people. Because when you think about it. What do you have to lose if you don't say anything? Nothing changes if you explode. Usually things get worse. So what does that middle ground look like or sound like the middle ground the plate and powerful positive confrontation middle ground? Is You know what's bothering him. And that sounds easy. But it's not and then you know what you want from the other person and that doesn't always happen we complain. We know what's bothering us. But what what do you think is going to solve it? Then you also need to look at it from the other person's point of view and that's really hard because we only have a tendency to focus on ourselves and then you choose to say something and you choose. Choose it when you're calm. You make sure that you're in private and use some polite language and that's likely to get you what it's lightly to one get you to feel good about yourself because you've said something Oftentimes it can improve relationships. Because you've worked through the difficulties with somebody and oftentimes the difficult behavior that you believe. The other person is exhibiting. We'll stop think about it. If somebody is playing music too loudly you could avoid it and not say anything and the music continues you can scream and yell and you know what the music may get louder but if you choose to confront that person and applied and powerful manner. It's very possible that they will lower their music. Wouldn't you if someone was polite when they ask you to? Please lower the music wouldn't you? Most people would. Yeah in fact it makes all the sense in the world and yet when when the music playing too loud you either just bang on the wall or over there and scream at somebody and and and yet. How would you react if someone did that to you? You'd think what a jerk write. All they needed to do is to ask me nicely and I would have certainly done it. A woman was reading the book in The library and she sent me this email. She said I'm reading the book and I decide to try your approach. What do I have to lose so I walk up to this man and I say to him? I'm sure you don't realize but I can hear your music at my table. Would you please lower the music? And she said thanks and he said Oh no problem. I had no idea you know. Most people don't need to be jerks. Don't WANNA BE JERKS. I mean somebody cuts you off on the road. We automatically think that person's a jerk and have you ever cut anybody off. No never I mean. We're not jerks. Most people are not out to get us. Many people become preoccupied and have no idea about how their behavior affects others. I imagine to a big part of the problem is you know when somebody's music's too loud or somebody cuts you off. You're you're mad and you get that you know fighter flight you get pissed off that you somehow have to control that well first of all. It's important to people to realize that anger is not a bad emotion. Anger allows you to determine what you like and what you don't like because if you never got angry you would like everything then you need to remember that there are consequences to bad behavior. You know ultimately you don't feel good about yourself when you lose it you may have that momentary high but it doesn't last you can destroy relationships and oftentimes what you're trying to take care of. It's loud music or so about speakerphone. The person can see it can get worse so when you think about the consequences and there's a whole chapter in the book called choice consequences and I believe consequences are incredibly important. Because when you think about what's going to happen if you stay aggressive or you stay passive all fun times. It will knowing those consequences. We'll give you the courage to try to move into what I call the polite powerful metal. The polite and powerful middle is such a great phrase because that sounds like where I wanna be. He and very few of us were ever taught how to get there. And there are specific skills learning verbal language. Had Express yourself not attacking somebody but asking for what you want paying attention to your non verbal skills making sure you're not screaming but also making sure you're speaking loudly enough though you are heard looking people knee. I you know having a pleasant facial expression I mean. This doesn't mean you have to be a WIMP and it doesn't mean you have to be. You know a bully to get what you want. There are alternative. And it's right there in the middle and it's right there in that polite and powerful middle. Why do you suppose people? Don't do this naturally and well. It would seem to me. The reason they don't do naturally is because by the time it's time to confront somebody. There's so much anger there that the anger gets in the way of that polite and powerful middle you talk about. I believe people don't do it naturally because they haven't learned a better way we've been raised to be the quiet or we've watched other people be aggressive and we haven't learned that there are specific skills that we can employ when somebody does something upsets us now. There are some you know legitimate reasons why people choose not to confront and I mean if you ever concerned your safety you know. Don't let it go. You know if you're in a dark alley just keep on walking. So there I mean there's lots of considerations But people use those considerations as excuses when there's really no reason not to say something and we've all not said something and re regretted it or obsessed about it later of. I wish I had said or or something right and the problem is I wish I had said isn't one and you're in the past if you don't say anything don't confront and unless you learn those skills to move into that middle it's real easy to get nervous not know what you. WanNa say if things don't go your way all of a sudden you're screaming and then you feel bad about yourself and you go back to being passive and doesn't accomplish much anyway so why not take a little bit of time. Learn the skills and generally. It's a much better outcome. So what's your advice though when when the the confrontation is happening and you didn't really have time to plan for it. And and things are escalating. And you need to control yourself when that's the last thing you WanNa do. More people. The more people practice positive confrontation the more Faster they get with it. You know what's what's bothering me. What do I want to ask the other person to do? But then there's also phrases that can help you calm down when you find yourself beginning to lose it You can save that person and somebody says to you. Gosh you're an idiot. Why are you saying that and we all WANNA explode back Instead of doing that there are some phrases that you can train yourself to use such as you know. Help me understand why you're calling me an idiot? I mean it's like oh my gosh they all of a sudden. They don't have anything to say. You know when you meet. Someone's aggression with your own aggression. You're giving that person power over you to get you upset when you realize that you can really work untrained training yourself to say a much more polite and powerful line. Well if somebody's going to call me an idiot it is going to be hard for me to because it's easy to dismiss that person as well if they're calling me an idiot they must be an idiot so let's get screaming. Well that's right. And what does that accomplish? Not much not much right. You may learn something when you say we'll help me understand. Why are you calling me an idiot? I didn't know about this. And then they'll go. Oh I'm sorry I just lost. It can say well. Here's the book you ought to read. You lose it anymore. So everyone should have a copy of your book in their pocket. Absolutely and there's you know there's a technique I go in in a book called the don't attack 'em welcome approach and I give out cards and people do keep it in their pocket. One man keeps it in his shirt pocket and it stops him from exploding. Because when you're ready to explode you're going to just exaggerate everything. My boss is a jerk. My Co workers are lazy and it really forces you to to stay on the specific behavior. You believe the person is exhibiting and if you're dealing with behavior you're a lot less likely to lose it. So what does that card? What does that card say it will all right? It's the don'- attack them. Welcome approach to conflict. You don't attack people you whack them with your words and that's w AC each letter stands for something the w stands for what what's really bothering me defined the problem and again you you've got to be specific you can't just say your Coworkers Lazy. I mean what does that mean? You need to define the behavior. Then you have the A and the A is. What do you want to ask because as stands for the other person to do or change? What's going to solve the problem? Yeah the W may sound difficult but the as even tougher. What do you believe will solve the problem and it has to be realistic? And also you have to have one. Generally you have to have one because having a is a very empowering step you know what you want not may not always get it but you know what you want and a lot of us. The people that are complainers. Have a tendency to stay on the W and all we do is complain about somebody's behavior. Well you gotta get off of it. Get to the what's to fix it. And so the w what's really bothering you. The what do you WanNa ask the other person to do or change. And then just because you're asking for it doesn't mean you're always GonNa get then there's the C. Which is the check in? Now that you've said what you wanted to say you need to turn it over to the other person and this is the passing of the ton step and usually it's just okay. What do you think can that happen? And then you you know sometimes that would you want sometimes talk about it sometimes. The person gets defensive and sometimes people get aggressive. Sometimes people get passive and they don't say anything and that's really tough and sometimes people just say no and you know what if somebody has power over power over you know means no but at least you know where you stand it? Does I imagine though it does some practice to to really instill this in your behavior. Absolutely in fact. Let me say this. Now do not whack the big one tonight or tomorrow. You have to work on this lowly pick little comp conflicts of little consequence and build up your confidence and build up your knowledge over time. It seems to make so much sense yet. It seems to be something that no one's ever you know other than you know do unto others as you would have them do unto you kind of turn the other cheek approach No one's ever talking about this right. It's easy to be non confrontational desire to avoid right. It's also easy to lose it. It's just a little harder to get into that polite and powerful middle in the beginning because we haven't learned the skills and D- do you ever find yourself unable to stay in the polite and powerful middle of course. Of course we all can lose it at any given time. But what happens is the more you that happens the more you critique yourself afterwards and say you know what? I really should practice what I breach and had. I said that I would have had a much better outcome. Well it's empowering to hear that you know you don't have to just hold it all inside or then you hold it inside until you you just have to explode and confront somebody in really angry way that there is a different way to handle it and and I think that's great. Barbara factor has been my guest. Barbara is author of a book called the power of positive confrontation. And you'll find a link to that book in the show notes. Do you like tomato. Juice actually loved tomato juice but my wife hates it. She says she says is like drinking blood or something but you should like tomato juice. And here's why study at China. Medical University in Taiwan showed that women who drank one nine ounce glass of tomato juice for two months saw a significant decrease in body fat and body weight and the good news is that they didn't change anything else about their diet or exercise. Other research shows that the added benefit is like a pain. That's the antioxidant that gives tomatoes their red color. Lycopene has been shown to build a better immune system lower cholesterol reduce your risk of developing prostate cancer and protect against heart disease. So there's a lot of good reasons for drinking tomato juice. But here's the weird thing if you don't like tomato juice okay no problem. Just get on an airplane and fly somewhere because tomato juice and I've heard this from a couple of different sources. Tomato juice has been scientifically proven to taste better at three thousand feet as opposed to sea level. And that is something you should know. Your comments are always welcome. You can leave your comments in review always appreciate that or you can write me directly my email. Address is Mike at somethingyoushouldknow dot net. I'm Mike carruthers. Thanks for listening today to something you should know.

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"Hey, guys, guys tear with another episode of the Sunday down podcasts. Thanks for checking in with us. Again, this week my guests one of Hollywood's biggest stars right now Margot Robbie Margo, and I got together at the oak room at the plaza hotel in New York City to talk about her latest role as Queen Elizabeth the first in the new period drama, Mary Queen of Scots she plays opposite, sir. Sha. Ronin who plays Queen Mary Margot tells me all about the physical transformation. She underwent for that film. What it was like to work with her friends Sertucha and the history she quickly had to study up on to learn about the Queen and to actually play that role show some reflects a little bit on where Hollywood is about a year after the launch of the times up initiative, which took place at last year's Golden Globes. And the move by women at that show, you might remember to wear black. She was one of three hundred or so women in Hollywood to sign a letter launching time's up. She also talks about tax. Doing the industry's gender problem. Head on through her own production company. It's called lucky chap productions she focuses on telling female driven stories and hiring females to make the films as will here shortly Margot, and I got together in effectively a famous old room the oak room, but at that time when she and I sat down it was a large empty. I don't want to call it haunted looking bar. But it was well, I guess you'll hear as you listened the two of us talk. It's a beautiful room. I wanna be clear, but it was big an empty, and we had to talk about it just for a minute. So I hope you enjoy a great conversation with Margot Robbie who moved her entire day around to be with me in that room right now on the Sunday, sit down podcast. Thank you Margaux. So to see you. Thanks. I want to say people listen to this podcast, the whole thing. So people don't get to see it. But here I want them to know that you moved your schedule around are here. And I'm grateful, and we also against cedar and serving in anti bar Vokes. The shining. Eerie feeling we're in a very empty creepy looking for sales like the hull of a ship beautiful haunted. Beautiful. But if you're someone said. Here's something in the air doesn't if that's coming through on your house right now. My insignificantly unnerved, let's hope this curse it or. I don't think we set ourselves. Right. We can only go up from. Let's talk about the film. First of all, congratulations. It's amazing. Lots of people talking about it around award season would somebody came to you with the idea of this iconic role. It's a daunting role. Obviously, it's a role it's been played by many of your acting heroes and icons of the screen from Audrey Hepburn. Kate Blanchett, what was your reaction to the idea? No, absolutely. Yeah. No. I loved the script as soon as I read it. It's very intelligent by Willem when he wrote house a cod, you know, he can he can ride a political drama give it that pace and intensity. But also, you know, there's so much research behind it. So it was brilliant rate. Soc was already attached she'd been attached to the project. I think seven years before they showed it, and I love her already. I I'd met a, you know, personally before and love to work. So that was a big reason to make me want to do it. And then I met Josie who's incredibly, you know, well known in the theater world and a brilliant director in heroin, right? And this is her first feature film, but she was just weak at the minute. I met her. She was RAD social Brad, the scripts rat. I was like I really want to do it. But I just I I can't play Elizabeth I conflict Queen Elizabeth the I know why did you say she's being played by so many of my absolute heroes in the acting world. And I just it wasn't just. That it wasn't just being scared of China redo, something that other people had done it. I just didn't think I'd had anything in common with her. I was like who am I to play a Queen? I'm not classically trained. You know, I kind of learned on the job and everything else. I've kind of you know, I I always work on the side online coaching, and I do courses, and I do all that kind of stuff, but I never went to university. I don't have a master's degree. I don't know anything about the time period. Like, I I must skip class. I guess in the days when we went about the since period because I knew very little about that. I don't really deserve it to be honest. I feel like there's so many other actors out that who does this role than I do. And and I play quaint. I just can't change your mind. Josie. Did she wrote, you know, beautiful long letter? And she said to me like, I don't want you to I expressed those thoughts and my reasons for being so hesitant. And she said, you have I don't want you to play Queen like, I 'cause I sat outside cannot be honest thing why why me like what he want me to do it. And she's like because I don't want. I don't want someone to play acquaint. I want someone to play a woman a young woman. And then then that kind of changed my mind. I was like, oh, okay. Well, if you show that that's what you want. I can give you that. I know it can deliver that so. Yeah. And from that point on she she kind of gave me the entire educational process of learning about the time period and getting spent time with John guy, who's an incredible historian. But also wrote a book that bode based the script on. So I got to spend a lot of time with him. We'd go to Hampton Court palace with you know, Elizabeth spent time and really learn about, you know, the inner workings of a politics at that time. But also just. So life, and what she would have gone through up until the point. Will we see on screen, which is a lot? Yeah. Had dad killed her. Mom. She has sister. Put her in prison tried to have her killed. I mean, childhood trauma that on pack. So what do you think it is about her because you're not the only one who may have missed that day in class? Yeah. I mean that has keeps actors coming back to tell the story of this Queen. Why is she such a fascinating character? Once you got to know her. She is fascinating. Because she she rebranded the role of acquaint, and she did it in a very clever way. She was the first person to really franchise image and have that kind of brand perception that I guess seems like a very current thing that you know, she was doing it back, then she would send out, you know, needlepoint templates of her face. So that people could stitch at home and have it, you know, she rebranded herself as the virgin queens. So that she wouldn't have to get married getting married meant handing over you'll powder. Another man getting married meant you'd have to deliver a male ever shortly afterwards. And if you want like a mom didn't maybe a life was in danger because of that, so she she was very clever and taking the route of not getting married and announced that she was married to England, and she was virgin Queen and that was her image because she was a Protestant on the flip side. There were Catholics Catholics had the vote in Mary. And if you look at the image of Elizabeth with her elaborate gowns that had, you know, these why a mesh things around elect this exactly like the Virgin, Mary know, the halo around the head. I mean, she was very very clever with brand perception and beyond that, she she was well educated since the child she she was very restraint as you kind of see this relationship with Cecil played by guy Pius fellows, film, the two of them. Arguably had the most successful political career in history EPA, he was a political mastermind, and she really did kind of. Do what he did vise in most cases, they had a few run ins primarily spoiler. Mary's death was a big thing that kind of caused a rift between them, but they had a really successful political relationship. She was I think the longest reigning monarch, and she was Queen and ruled at a time and gave England more use of peace and prosperity than than I think anyone else had. And it was at a time where women went valued in a leadership role. You know, people wanted to king, and if they had a Queen they weren't happy about it. And it just, you know, wait for the day that she was pregnant, and they could have a king again, you know, that hand the crown over to a baby essentially, so she was she was an incredible person and beyond that as I mentioned before her childhood was, you know. Kind of rife with trauma, really horrible things. And then odious relationships, again, we're incredibly complicated. So in England was at a really crazy. You know is the golden age for England England. England, kind of like pushing their way to the head of the pack with Spain. And you know, all these other powers in the world. It was just a fascinating time. Fascinating time, you so you don't know anything about you could teach a cow. That was just an lecture college class. I'm not sure we'll white make it look at you. Now sixteenth century college professor Elizabeth period Davies, otherwise, nothing, honestly, I can tell you getting Elizabeth I random things I and I will about her. He's very specific. But it's impressive. Either. There's also the physical transformation that you underwent. You know, when you first come out you go. Wow. Okay. That's Margot Robbie you kind of looking closely. You. Sheets out. She's she's lived some life. Elizabeth actually had smallpox which was something that we kind of, you know, wanted to dramatize in this to understand why she ends up looking like, the Elizabeth I think we will have a now mind, you know, Whiteface receding hairline crazy big red wigs, you know, all that kind of stuff. She had smallpox it almost kill two and smallpox often left people permanently scarred and disfigured because of them and that to us explained why she packed on all that white white makeup and also dramatizes the relationship between her Mary who was renowned for being exceptionally beautiful young than Elizabeth Oviously, you know, and kind of. Kind of had a woman possessed a womanhood in a very different way. Whereas Lisbeth was very quick to to to Sean womanhood and say, you know, it was amazing quotes from Elizabeth saying stuff like I may have the feeble and weak body of a win. But I have the hot and stomach of a king. You know, she really she she had such disdain for sex in a way that I don't think Mary Mary embrace that in and had a baby and married someone. She was in love with even though that went hopefully, Rome, I think in some ways, at least in this film. I wanted to convey the idea that though Mary often took the pot that Elizabeth would never take Elizabeth kind of admired. How far it was a little bit envious over it kind of live vicariously through her in some ways. And we were just discussing new insertion didn't see each other really for most of the movie until one scene, which is really the only seen in the film that we see the two of you in the same place was that difficult anticipating what she was doing what you were doing. And then having to meet somewhere in the. Middle of the story. Yeah. Super ironic that my main reason for doing this job is to get one. But it's a great scene in. It's like a twelve page. So it was it was totally worth it. But they went to, you know session. I said very early on with love and enjoy Z agreed that we should not see each other as characters until that moment as characters in the film had never seen each other until this fictional moment. Which didn't actually happen, historically speaking. And everyone looked very hard to make sure that was the case and fair anyone watching who's spent time on film sets to logistically keep two people a pot who are in the same film is impossible. It's really hard to do and often films schedules dictated by location. So fortunately, they showed everything they needed to shoot everything that took place in England. I and then company move to Scotland take everything shoot everything that takes place in Scotland Mary stays in Scotland for the most the movie of that meeting and Elizabeth always stayed in England so out my last day was socs first day. And that's the only time we crossover. I did my whole. Joanie is Elizabeth minimize loss day socialist first day, we had that sane and then she carried on and did the rest of the film. So yeah, I mean emotions were running very high by that point for different reasons. And you know, it was emotional for me, my law states emotional her her first day, but beyond that, we just spent so long thinking about each other. And you know, everything I did was, you know, Elizabeth obsessing over what Mary's doing. So I'd constantly had Mary in my mind. So sure as Mary in my mind, constantly, always obsessing over the, you know, you're earning for her. Then also being terrified of what she's doing. It's and then comes the moment where you know, we actually the first half of that saying before we see each other still hadn't seen each other. And then they'll set up for at close ups, snow course, shooting and she pulls down that loss sheet. And that was the first one we have a search and they'll rolling on. And yeah, we dislike totally burnt down. Like, it was not meant. It was not written to have tears in in the state. No, absolutely not that we will like meant to be kinda yelling at each other. We kind of do, but we it was it was emotional salting and you'll cotton. We just like. Like, other shaking and crying. It was it was very strange surreal moment. But honestly as an active one of the best moments of probably the best moment I've ever had miss it. That's so interesting. So where are the tears come from for you to me? It was knowing. It was that that interaction with so tragic to me because it happened at the wrong time kind of like a love story where they meet after they've gone off and married someone else. It was that's what it was to me. It was walking into a situation and knowing that I was going to say no to the thing. I'm person I wanted most in the world, but they just got me too late. And so when she says, I know you'll hot has more within it than the men around you counsel you and I say, I'm, you know, I'm we'll. Men than women. Now, the throne has made me so I'm saying that maybe that was true a few years ago. But I I said it'll ties to my womanhood. I sacrificed everything I will never have a child is you had a child I will never marry for love as you have. I've I gave those things up in order to have the security on the throne and security in my life. And and it's just too late. And I can't help you. So for me the minute. I see her knowing that she's going to ask for my help and knowing Alrighty, then I'm going to say, no to it was a horrible horrible feeling in it. Yeah. Just made me cry. Well, kept in touch before you saw each other. You said you were texting little bit. Like, how's it going? We did that right? Right. Hustle period, which is great which was more extensive than most feature films, a real ou- full bit Josie from the theater world, you know, holds great importance on the rehearsal period, which spent tastic so we had heaps the time in rehearsals to hang out. And we already knew each how. And then we didn't get to see each other really by shooting. But then after we finish the movie we both got nominated for the Oscars. And so we were sore shall the like every day. Right. Ironically, necessarily tell the shooting a film, but would sorry. Almost every day at different events luncheons and press things and stuff, which is not. It's just nice, a friend. Those things will probably see each other again this award season but want to drink. You mentioned the men in the movie, the men and the movie you're not happy that you're in power, the men and moving happy that Mary's in power. And in fact, many of them try to undermine your character is their message in the context of today about that about strong women being undermined by men. Yes. I think they're quite a few things in probably the biggest thing women in power is an incredibly relevant conversation today. You can you can see how difficult it was back. Then to be a woman in rule at a time where they just didn't value. You'll opinion that these women were. They knew politics in and out. And yet you couldn't rule in the same way because there was certain social constructs in the way that didn't allow you to rule in the same way, for example, men weren't allowed in that privy chain. But like in the postal chambers where through your man that they go in there this any paperwork while king whoever's sitting on the toilet like they literally did that I'm not even kidding. But as a woman, you you you just held it on length, I guess, and it would have been incredibly hard to rule, and then when they were ruling that will constantly being, you know, there was smear campaigns essentially specially for Mary Cecil who got his place, and and John Knox by them worked incredibly hot even off the Mary's death to really Smith their names. And that's why I think this movies movies great. You'll seeing Mary in a way that people have never described to you know, people, you know, she was often cold a holiday. She was accused of you know. Killing a husband. So she could be with another. You don't really this kind of stuff? People often said she was too emotional and to sexual to lead, which is just incredibly on fed picture because she was an incredible woman and would ride into battle in and new politics in amount and grew up in court in France. And you know, worldly educated and same for Elizabeth a very different circumstances. She was very adept at at leading. But it was in. Yeah. At a time when people didn't just didn't want to say that do see reflections of that in culture today, or in your business, even I mean, it's interesting to note that the two women in charge of government in Scotland in England women as it was back then and then both doing it in very different ways. I think that the circumstances a little different it's not really quite life or death away. It was back then. But I think this still is the perception that hats, you know, women are too emotional to lead to be rational, which is in my opinion ridiculous. Yeah. Could most rational opinions. That's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. I think most people would agree. That's along those lines this interview air on Golden Globe Sunday. So it will it will have been a year since you and more than three hundred other people signed other women signed the three hundred person time's up letter, and you were black that night, and it was a big emphasis. So it's sort of a milestone this year a year later. Do you think Hollywood has sat up and taken notice have things changed to your eye in the last year or so I think they have. Yeah. I really do. I mean right now promoting a film directed by a woman, I have just wrapped a film where most heads of departments were female roles. It's female lead on Somboon pace. And I'm in prep for a film with a female director, second time female director with big budget behind it. That's important too. I think it's one thing to say, let's support women in film and female, Phil. Filmmakers, we're gonna give them, you know, a million dollar micro drama micro budget drama. It's quite another to say, here's a giant costume drama with a hefty budget behind it. Likewise. I'm a producer on the film, where prep foreign it's a big comic book film with a lot of money behind it. And I was like I want a woman to direct it. It's a female in symbol. Of course. I want a woman directing it. But I think up until recent times saying that and actually getting people to put their money behind that was two different conversations. I think it's easy to say. Yes. Yes. Wouldn't that? Be nice. It's quite another to say, yes all sign off on that decision. I re I recognize when we're making movies. It's not my money being spent it's you know, people are putting a lot of money behind that. And people like focus on working title who hide Josie on this. And you know, back those choices that's a brave thing to do. And I I'm seeing more of it. Now. Imprac record. Now, those movies are successful Patty Jenkins. Those wonder woman and the doors. I'd like to see a movie than men. I don't know why it's taken so long to recognize that Hamish make maybe swing ever came to that. You know? Came to that conclusion. And and the next step from that point was let's make more female driven content. So many females buy tickets for movies, and then the step beyond that was let's have females telling those stories those female driven stories, which you know, it takes time. But I'm definitely seeing change school about jus you're not just talking about it. In interviews. You've started production. He lucky chap that practices. What you're preaching right now. What is the philosophy at lucky chap? What are you trying to do, you know to promote women in film, whether that's through female driven stories, all with female filmmakers, we'll both and not to say we have worked with an continued work with incredible men, we do and at the end of the day the best person gets the job. So I think it's out duty to put way more effort into finding those female-driven stories and those female filmmakers, and once we've brought all those options to the table and balanced that conversation by having many female options as male options I can make shortlist. Male directors in a heartbeat, but to to really find an extensive list of female filmmakers is hot because they haven't had the same opportunities. But once you can balance that conversation, then the best person gets that job. And if that's a man a woman, whoever great it's the best person for the job, but you have to make I think you have to make the effort beforehand to balance that that conversation have all the options on the table in a in an equal way. You've had a track record now with Eitan you being under that production company. You've showed that you you can make a great movie that way was that a different kind of challenge for you to not only star in a movie like that. But also to have your production company behind it, and sort of your name on the doors, well responsibility that you can't if it goes wrong. You can't say like, oh, I would thinking. You know, I'm just acting in it. But so yeah. Like he can't blame anyone else. If it doesn't work out you taking a big again for show. But it also means you're part of the creative compensations. You're pot of making those choices who too high up what to edit out, you know, how to market it. It's nice to to be able to throw through your opinion in there and kinda shape project of worked on a lot of projects where I see, you know, the powers that be making decisions that I'm like strange. I would've done it differently. When I produce I get to have an opinion and say, okay, here's what I think not said don't enjoy just acting and not producing like, I didn't this foam. It's an enormous relief to kind of sit back and be like over time. On my problem. It out. Right. It's it's nice to just do the acting as well, which will continue to do always. But I really love producing. It seems to me even correct me if I'm wrong that you're sort of now leveraging the success you've had and the fame you achieved to do good for the industry and to do good for other women and to use even with the Harley Quinn spin off you say, okay, let's do that. But I want to do it under my production company is that a cool place to be where your name gets you in the door. And you say I want to control the content as well. Nice. It's such a privilege, and it's a it's a position before. I got there. I knew oh, wow. I can't wait till that day happens where I can green light a movie by attaching to it, and I can see my friends script someone I don't know in this script and they've never directed before. No one's going to put the money behind them. And I know that if I sign on and say that I'll do it finances will put the money in in this person gets to make their film like that's an amazing feeling, and yeah, I was very much looking forward to the day where I'd be in a position where I could do that. And and now that I am it's yeah. It's really wonderful. Take you long wolf of Wall Street was only five years ago that crazy to think thousand thirteen. Yeah. That's wild you ever. Stop and go. Whoa. This thing. This rocket ship has taken on quick. All the time. Yeah. Yeah. Now, quite often. I'm like this is wild and every year on like nothing could get better than this. This is the best. I'm so happy. Nothing get better. And then another Yukos buying them. Like that was the best year. That was awesome. Yeah. No. It's me. Did you always have growing up serve a performers mentality? I know you were into magic. And you were a bit of a trapeze artist. I'm told well, not an oddest mealy could do it. But yet. No, I yes, definitely had a dramatic flair growing up. I would I think my family would attest to that. But no, I wasn't. I was never like, you know, the I didn't grow up in a place where people in movies or anything like that. So you would never say I'm going to be movies. When I grow up, you would just be like I'm going to be in the school play because I love doing plays and stuff like that. So it's quite surreal to what point then along the way. Did you realize oh this could be career? This is just a fun. Hobby. Could do for was it neighbors? Yeah. That occurred to me six months into being a regular on a long-running TV show. Right. The first time I actually coached me like white acade- this isn't chill. Mike justice. Actually asked other cosmic was I was like do you do any other Jones? Like, do you have a job on the side of something and they were like nine, and I was like you just do. Acting for living. Not yet. Put your kids through school and by house just on acting mail. And I was like RAD I. Did you have other jobs in those early dates who will side-hustle seventy side hustles? Yes. No, I yeah. I had most most part time jobs. You could imagine. I've probably I've done them in waiting tables waiting tables right behind what in retail retail for two years. Yeah. Everything looked in the food industry. Dumb babysitting. Done housecleaning. Yeah. Fish and chips still really have at all. Gift wrapping at Christmas. Yeah. What do they think back home? What is your family think? Now that you're Margot Robbie movie star. I think too happy that. Yeah, it's nice because they're so removed from it that it's not it'd be cool to like, I know I know a lot of people whose whole families are in the industry that seems cool. But I like that mine's not because you know, it's nice to to kinda like have just a a work thing. And then I can go home. And you know, he whatever else is doing K feet on the ground keeps you humble, totally my mom works with disabled kids. You know, if I'm ever on the phone to her and I'm like, oh this happened. This happened today. And I'm like, well, how was your day? And then she sought saying about her, Diana, Mike shot. Such a lucky person shut up. You talk about all the adversity. You have in your life. Yeah. Yeah. It's great definitely puts things in perspective. Congratulations on the movie. Thank you so much for time. My thanks to Margot Robbie for sitting down with me. Can catch your latest film, Mary Queen of Scots in theaters now, and thanks as always to you for tuning in for another week to hear more of the conversations with all my guests. Be sure to click subscribe and get tuned into Sunday today every weekend on NBC. I'm willing guys. We'll see you right back here next week on the Sunday, sit down podcast.

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"Angry disgusted ignored. I was thinking lots of four letter. Words then cheated furious deceived. I was cross as where my friends patronized vengeful live. it finally unsurprised. This is a story about a scandal about infighting and rumors. And it's about sewing. I'm becky comings and in this week. Slow newscasts going to take you on a pretty wild ride through the world of british embroidery. Where a fierce storm has been brewing. And if you saw the hand parish council meeting was angry well you haven't met the embroiderers. Forget any images. You might have in your mind dainty women doing needlepoint or some scenes from pride and prejudice. This isn't about push women gently so indicate themselves out of trouble. This is much more radical in the reporting of the story. One woman sent us a threat that she'd found circulating on the intimate and embroidered form. Warning it read in all caps walesa's this is proof that i have the patience to stab something a thousand times and it was illustrated with a skull. Now you see this is a story about some seriously cross stitching iconic. Claudia williams has been reporting this past few weeks. She dead to enter into the snake pits of anger and conflicting narratives accusations. That has totally engulfed the embroiderers guild. A century old institution this found itself at war with its embroidery loving members hydrogel. Hey have to say. This story sounds amazing and very dramatic. How did you first come across it. Like all the best stories. This one started with a whistle blower. An angry stitcher told us that there was something fishy. Going on at the embroideries guilt and perhaps we should take a look. Now you might not have heard about the embroiders guilt but it's a charity in its own words. It promotes textile are in all its forms. It's also this membership. Organization is got at the moment about four thousand members on average about seventy years old members. Hang out together. A local branches where they get together to so and socialize. An organiz talks. Think in state but with needles and threat but recently something when wait. There was a financial crisis at the guilt. I thought it was all about the pandemic at first. But as we started digging we uncovered rumors of a c. e. o. Earning one hundred a year volleyball items being sold off family members hired as financial manages a membership that was turning against its own charity. A story starts with pretty remarkable showdown. Good morning everyone. We acknowledge that this is the difficult time for all concerned. This is the general meeting of the embroidery skilled at the beginning of march. It was big news a couple of weeks before beforehand members had found out that local branch accounts had been frozen and branches. The bit they love the most about the charity. Probably going to close. Apparently four thousand people tried to attend the meeting and only nine hundred eighty two made the cup because of limits on zoom. It is a shock for many members but the writing has been on the wall for several years. It's not quite as fiery but we are in the terrain of jacki weaver and the handforth parish council meeting. You have no authority. Johnny weaver all he may remember it. As a rare moment of pandemic joy when it went absolutely viral in february kerry stumping orders and under the general meeting was tense camera. Hundreds of women were becoming more and more incensed. I actually interviewed woman who said she had to start knitting to stop herself from screaming at the laptop from the very beginning. These trustees who are unpaid volunteers. That clearly really nervous. If felt like they set up a very us versus them dynamic eight pro two thousand nineteen. We presented a gold plan to face the challenges only twenty three of one hundred forty five branches registered to take part in the initiative and there was also someone on the call who i freely hadn't expected to see. One question has arisen is. Why terry nafi. If locked in his new participants he has been pointing background technical support and support from members experiencing difficulties in getting into the meeting. He is also a member of the deal. So he's entitled to be here. Terry murphy is the embroiders guilt former. Ceo he was ceo for the best part of a decade until he retired at the beginning of twenty twenty one from the outside anyway is not clear how he fits within the world of the embroiderers guilt. He's an ex proctor and gamble man on his linked in his himself as a consultant. He specializes in bringing companies from the brink. He's about change and transformation and during this hugely important meeting. He is saying that onscreen sucking his pet. I mean it's possible. He didn't know the camera was on him. But it goes down terribly with some members. Just the sight of him. Incentives them and then he's there on blase wanna bairo. You can imagine it a lot of furious stitch knitting going on because what's really happening. Here is a clash of cultures. This guy the change maker has been at the top of an organization focusing on the money. And he's completely at all. It's a world away from the members. Almost all women who love embroidery. They love the branches. They love the community of all because the thing is really is impossible to understand this story without understanding what the guilt and embroidery means to these women. I always so. I've never had any professional training. Paul just bits and pieces of school and the and my sister-in-law founded embroidery class near her. Are we used to go along on a monday evening. And the person who ran bat was chairman of the mercy branch embroidery skilled. I then joined the guild and that was in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight and i've been a member of a that's jill she's one of many women. I've spoken to you for this story. And yes that all women except for terry and they've all said the same thing for the drama and the outrage all comes from a place of love it's tricky because the guilds isn't a charity in the way you might typically think of what it has charitable aims it provides scholarships looks after an important collection of embroidery. It runs magazine puts an educational events. It has priorities of its own but then on top of that it also runs a membership organization on these members. They have expectations on demands. They form this deep network of local chapters and for many of the women. These branches have been home a community for decades. Of course there's also a big social element restage stage we chat. It's a space that many women to do this. I'm gonna have lots of good friends in my life that i think i've ever had so many sewing friends and i really like having sewing friends. You find someone who has the same interest as you. The same common purpose issue the same enjoyment in craft as you. There is always a great connection on the way that some of these women talk about their local branches. It's so heartwarming. And the thing is that for many of them is what's kept them going during the pandemic so when they find out the all of this could be cut loose from the guild. It's a huge shock and that angry but the anger the hasn't come out of nowhere. And that's the thing with this story. The we dig into it the more you realize that. This is an unlikely viper's nest of accusations and infighting goes way way back. I left when the magister project failed. The time the gilded it probably would have to hampton court palace. That wasn't very much money. Anyway i think was this is clad jaydee auden embroiderer and longtime guild member in fact in the late noughties she was a financial advisor to the guild trustees and also gill treasurer so. She's seen it. All in two thousand ten terry was brought in as interim ceo. The guilt was in debt after a big project to move the headquarters too much. Ister had gone drastically wrong. Even a black hole in the guilds finances on members. Annoyed terry was gonna turn around and save the day. He was a change maker after all but an expensive one an unusually expensive one. The guilt has refused to confirm this. But we've been told. That terry was being paid. Nine thousand five hundred pounds per month to help solve the charities problems for clap. That was just insane. So i became really consent hartley because of the way he was taken on so he was assaulting consultant not appropriate employees and also because of the mind. If you defied the number of members at the time of ten cents by the amount he was taking so we were paying fees at the time for ryan twenty three pints per member. Uncertainty hines adopt was going directly to pay his salary. If you assume that was no other income to the gaels just thought that was the shockingly large proportion of our phasing it made me wanna want that was left by twenty three pints to pay for other stuff to do with the running of the gals into do other charitable objectives. A guilt at heart. So he just sold to is the exception of mine somebody to be paid for Couldn't see how the gila can afford the amount long-term unless it started to get to really increase its other sources of income which inevitably an. What did you do about those concerns. Did you raise them with the trustees. Did you raise them with the ceo. I wrote a letter. So the trustees unto members which. I was hoping that i we pay to read the. Gm expressed my concerns about the amount he was paid on. D- some of the defenses. The i'd seen of the amount is being paid but actually i wasn't allowed to speak at the meeting. But i felt that things within able to carry on with terry fake being paid. I think considered reminds monday. Tensions just grew from that many members are uncomfortable that this guy had been drafted in and paid so much cash. Terry salary became an elephant in the room. Claire raised objections. And she wasn't alone in doing that. There were others such polling hanan. She was a longtime member from lancashire. Who voted in as chairman of the gill. Just after terry was hired. She wasn't convinced by either. And did you raise concerns to the trustees into the ceo himself kind of from the beginning. Yes it we can't continue. We will have to look for. Ceo who is employed. You know Hundred twenty dollars off the radar. Absolutely rage okay. So he's being paid a lot that this charity clearly needs some change and transformation and he painful but paul of what's remarkable here is our over. The course of a decade. The issue remains heated. It's never really resolved and it's not just about the money. Some members and i should say is definitely not all members they were concerned about other things to pieces of embroidery from the guilds collection were sold off without members. Being told one of the ceo's family members was hired for financial role and expensive but troublesome database system meant that memberships lapsed without people knowing and this is all happening during a decade. Where in west in the guild is waning membership drops and that impacts the finances. The magazine profits great down and too many of the members. The actual offering from the central guilt is getting worse. Look these are women who get together regularly together natter and so. It's the perfect conditions for giant rumor mill. The guild antares say that. These are totally unrelated. Criticisms tough decisions were taken because they had to be another guilds. Declined goes back a longtime. The guilt fully supports terry. And the work that he's achieved and says that this criticism it comes from a minority of members with strong opinions. The charity doesn't want to focus on the past. It wants to look forward to the future. So that's one side of things but there's also something underneath it. All one member told me. That felt like terry just didn't take the embroidery done by the women in the brunches seriously though it seemed like it was women's work in his leaving letter to members when he retired earlier this year. He jokes about the fact that he's never picked up a needle. I think that brings us to a really important point of perception. This is a charity is almost entirely made up of women. But it's now run by this man who says that he's a specialist in corporate turnarounds and this big salary and some of the members. Frankly felt dismissed. He came to address the mercy side branch. We were not favorably impressed with him as a person or as a ceo. This is jill the member for merseyside. She works as an accountant and also into small business. Making corsets and white and gay on there was. This was quite patronizing attitude. He adopted to the members and we were asked to asking hard questions about funding and the like and it was the. Will you do this. And it was the dismissive almost misogynistic in some respects. It was very dismissive. We got furious and tell you. The members of mercy punch pretty steamed up about. The situation became so difficult that for some people. If like you're either with terry or against him pauline. The woman who was elected chairman just after he started fella. She was being targeted because of her objections to the way the guild was being run. And trustees were starting to turn against her because of it. I think interesting spiring to get rid of what happened in the end. it already. and this was all setting. The scene for twenty twenty one in february newsletter. Terry writes that. He's retiring a c. And then there's this cascade of events it all kicks off. Clad was one of the first to notice and she had a theory about what was going on. I knew that he would only in for tied if the money from eight so my immediate reaction was the guilds must be in financial trouble. Otherwise he'd still be taking the money and i suggested to our branch that we should try and make sure that we spend our money the money that was less than our kinds of than our price. And so we It was phrased have the by. Five hundred pints left the house. Do you feel realizing the had been frozen. Really angry but also toll surprised as soon as i got about email saying attack that ties i knew was in trouble at that stage but i didn't think it would try get rid of the franchise and that was the that came as a shock yes again it comes down to perception. The members might not like the charity freezing their accounts but the money in the brunch accounts is the charities money. If they're facing financial ruin they have to call their money in by mean. The timing couldn't have been worse almost a year into this lonely pandemic the members get this notice. That basically says we need you to vote to cut off the branches from the gills. And if you don't you're essentially voting for the guilt to go into liquidation in both cases the branches are gone is a lose news. Oh by the way you've got two weeks to decide at the very least. It seems wildly tactless. I think for a lot of people it was a moment of will. Those programs often bubbling away. This is it and then all hell breaks loose embroidery have crossed my friend. I really sell sticking it to them. I said i have to at least decent thing. I don't sit by and what nothing happened. That's just not me theresa. Harvey has reached for years but she's a relative newcomer to the guilt but that did not hold her back she was one of the first organizers of i'm going to call the resistance terry and the guilt or about to learn you do not mess with the stitches so we had a zoom meeting and we had managed to contact. I think over thirty branches and we had about fifty people on the the whatsapp group and at the meeting. People had their say. Obviously there was some people just wanted to voice how they felt about it. Just go with and then we will working out a way forward and one lady said she would start a petition theresa on the others were on a roll. They sent letters and emails. They formed whatsapp grapes. They set up a petition. Even contacted barristers. The charity's ombudsman. And i think is demographic we're not unnaturally militant group because we probably mainly women who are fifty five or older. We do have some men and we do have some younger people. But that is the group of women that are often written about as being invisible and i think that's sometimes true and i don't think we're quite as militant as younger women because the way that we were brought up what's expected of you she has a supplemental effect. Tony you say not make us from each said you quite quickly organiz. Yeah you got together. A group got together you the crates action group for the series of on action to carry out a new kind of shug labor. You yeah we did. We did choi and we also we tried to have craft of ism as well Which was suggested by somebody in our branch verity franklin and she suggested that we all embroidery one word is how the actions of the approaches guild had made us feel and then post it online. I actually shattered because i was quite busy. Trying to organize this one's other ones would include betrayed somebody put Some people just put angry and bitter ignored but also the thing that did feel a bit strange about that was it felt very negative so i then felt the need on another bit of material to bridge the word hope because i don't wanna be just negative and we have hope that the groups were carry on as independent concerns so to balance it out to On the resistance. That trying to get things done. They imported these bone words and they even sent them with video. To artist grayson. Perry a submission as part of grayson's club on channel. Four welcomes world club in greece in perry. They were not going to take this lying down. Jail the member for merseyside who he met earlier. She went a step further. As you may have gathered. one word wasn't sufficient for me. I wanted to take a few words. And i thank you was a case of. There was such a range of emotions. Jill embroidered fifteen words and she shared them on her instagram and then she put them together as a single piece. What were the words that you embroidered. You wanna know okay in order angry. Disgusted ignored disdained roped. Cheated furious deceived patronized vengeful livid victimized incensed f blank. Blank finally unsurprised on then. Ej ripped in pieces. Are i pay as a pretty strong statement or yeah well the written word can be more powerful and the spoken in some cases and i think if you use a hard written word in conjunction with what is perceived to be i gentle craft. It can be quite powerful as an image because you're using something. This is gene to be domestic genteel ally with a really hard word. It makes you sit up and look. I think this really gets to the heart of it. We have all these misconceptions about embroidery. And its history and really. It shouldn't be a surprise that the action group has cropped up. There's this image of embroidery is all pride and prejudice but those a stereotypes and not for it's always been so much more radical than that it's been used by basically community on earth by people of all classes and it has a really long history of being used in protest. Movements textiles has been used in making for protesting wherever it suffragettes Women's liberation movement all trade unions making is for to go to the streets. This is hannah hill. An embroiderer visual artist and historian. She told me that the power of embroidery is how person letters we've embroidery you'll literal blood sweat and tears go into it because just of the nature of it being a little shop time so your physical being. Dna is going into your artwork. Most of the women. I've been speaking to you for this investigation. They're in their fifties sixties. Will maybe seventy s. Hanna is in her mid twenties. And she's one of many young embroiders helping to change the perception of the craft sharing her work on social media. I've had people come up to me in clubs and complement embroidery especially in. I like grind music. I've been in grime raves enough. Had you know young guys. Come up to me and say oh. Did you embroider that chicken box off. Did you do this. And that is evidence enough. That embroidery is reaching different audiences. Yes she means. Chicken box type. He'd get chicken nuggets in. She also went viral few years ago when she imported the author meet in at the tv animated one with a clenched fist. And she added the caption. When you remember that historically embroidery hasn't been taken seriously as a medium because it's women's work hannah on her memes a kind of emblematic of this new growing popularity of embroidery. Among younger people added to the fact that more people have taken up during lockdown. It's how this huge booth from being seen in period drama bridgen. It makes it even more frustrating. Some members that the guild wasn't able to capitalize on this. This could have been the moment the embroidery skilled and instead. We're here now that the report is being delivered to chat facility. Who's been if jumped back into that. Meeting held at the beginning of march. One on zoom whether explaining the situation from the guilds perspective. The whole thing has this completely bizarre tone for the subtext and digs it gets off to what could be the least tactical opening you can imagine especially given the strength of feeling voting around the gilt trustees staw by launching a scripted counterattack on the resistance group for damaging the reputation of the charity. Coups people are entitled to express registered views. But these campaigns is somewhat biased. And certainly incomplete. Picture we are aware that over five thousand people including general public unknown members have supported the petition on thirty eight degrees. But what time when the charity suffered a major loss of members do mainly covered and desperately needs to substantially increase. Membership is petition powered on inevitable. Subtext one could easily swayed others from joining. I'm discouraging remarks warranty away. They claim that the action group is making a bad situation worse and even though loads of the information given is useful and important is also quite a lot of us in the way. Some of the trustees speaking to or about members the latest questions submitted by suffix stitches Will suggest comment that these questions. Come from a branch October twenty twenty omega to leave the goal to become an independent stitch group. They didn't invite the guilt to address members before holding the vote it feels like they terrible breakups but nobody actually wants it to happen. I fell on the morning of the meeting. Daddy sat this is what one woman could pamela told me. She's former head teacher. Who's been brunch. It felt like it was really the end of anita in a way quite unnecessity and wear a out that wasn't shared by the trustees who felt that what they were doing was saving the gould. And actually what i felt. Was that what we were doing with killing the important part of the guild. Which is the engage. Is scientists people every year into this organization which is to do with the garage also do is people and frames and colleagues and people with similar interests and that was just being slicked aside but no understanding. I didn't get any sense when standing gene meeting of just how devastating what was happening wars to people on the ground. Palmilla was so angry that she wrote a letter to the guilt of the day. After the general meeting. I am among granny and friend. I have contributed to every organization. I've been a member of every member has a similar dynamic light story. we are not useless. Three looters are passed. I based in all other aspects of my life. I feel empowered driven and enthusiastic except when dealing with the ceo. And now the trustees of guild where i made to feel old useless part of the problem with new options worth listening to it was clear that yesterday's meeting. That trustees considered branches the entire calls of all the problems. By this point in my reporting i had of course been in touch with terry. There were so many accusations swirling about him and at first he agreed. I arranged to go with my producer to interview him at the marina where he lives on his boat. And we had also lined up interviews with guilt but this is where things went quite paranoid. I turned up to my zoom interview with the guilt and they told me that they'd found out who i was speaking to because of this. They decided that they wouldn't talk to me on the record. The interview is cancelled. Soon terry gets in touch to cancel his interview as well on the same grounds tourist at this stage. I start getting a bit obsessed. Because the thing i call really get over is talking about a charity about textile or members who really care about it and the so much toxicity icon get access over the next couple of days. We have these back and forth. Negotiations turned terry into this white whale in my mind at had sightings now so close to him. They slipped through the net. By this point. I'd heard so much about him. And the two sides are just compay. Different the trustees adamant that the questions about hurry and about the wider mismanagement of the guilt adjust untrue. Unfair those that support terry and support the gills disparagingly referred to the people raising this of complaint as the anti-terror brigade. This is really divisive stuff. Terry calls it disingenuous. And i tell the guild ontario i know there are two sides to this but without an open and frank interview is hard to properly see their side and i wanted to but to do that. I can only work with what i can get. One thing i did have that could help me find the truth in this snake. Pit of conflicting accounts. The accounts. So i spent ages on companies house and eventually i asked the advice of charities expert. It'd be really useful if did introduces the podcast. And then we can destroy pin. Hi i'm angela. Carolina the director of consulting at new philanthropy capital which is a think tank and consultancy for the charity sector. I was hoping that angela might be able to help me. Make some sense of this. All the members right to be outraged. How does a wage like this. Generally around ninety two hundred thousand pounds a year stuck up for a charity of this is so i think the question of a chatty of this is is is a little bit interesting so do you include the branches within it or exclude them and say this separately. Run if you exclude them. Then it's a lot of money for chief exact more than you would expect if you include them. That i'd say it's you know it's probably around ten grand more than you would expect but certainly a i think for a charity. That's obviously in the financial position that it's in Watterson financial position. It's a little bit more than than i would expect. I think the fact that he was a contractor over that period is strange and one of the things that is quite hard to tell me counts as is a fulltime contractor or a part time contract to if he's full-time than the salary is as i say a little high if he's a part time contract cut the needs very hi. Hi terry tutors how you doing. Obviously i kept trying and trying with terry on the guilt. But though they were talking to me they were still refusing to interview on the record. I tried the next best thing. I found someone who had managed to get the guild on record to talk about all of this. Hello anyway any church. Thank you for agreeing to chat to me especially at Noticed but susan is a guild member who runs a popular podcast called stitchery stories. Recent episodes focus on for example cross-stitch flowers and chewed embroidery in an episode released before. The general meeting called embroideries guild in crisis she spoke to gil trustee penny hill so so say pens. One of the trustees of the uk brought his guilt and last week members received a notice of general meeting which outlines the financial difficult you got the sense of how fraught this thing is for people. On all sides the heightened level of distrust in the bud feeling. That's been flying around in the podcast. Episode penny hill makes it clear that the branches can choose to go independent. And we'll get a two hundred and fifty pound grunt to help and start up again as she says that. This was the only choice. The trustees hat the charity has lost fifteen hundred members during the pandemic. They are a small team. That's actually something. I spoke to angela or charities. Expert about i mean now. They're only four trustees nothing at one point though at twelve thought suggests that the there is a lack of engagement maybe lack of interest in the head office aspect of this. Yeah and i find that surprising to be honest to the fact that there is no steve abroad. Membership is quite warming in that. But it's really. It's really difficult because it's essentially a net. What charity all over the country with some quite harsh decisions to make how does a four or five passenger stable make of thighs decisions as well as keep the membership pay. So i feel that. The trustees do exist probably worked really hard but possibly not quite the right things to me. It seems that no matter how hard they're trying. The trustees and the ceo have allowed this deepening sense of us versus them to permeate guild. It was clear the general meeting. It's clear throughout the accounts. If we put some of these questions invite into the trustees they said that they've tried to improve fundraising and replace trustees and keep the charity going but that change can only happen if there is a sufficient willingness to do so the membership they might be right but it's not exactly an attitude that's going to bring people along with you for the ride. Claudia oh my god. The sharp end of the lovely world of embroidery case in end. You never quite caught your white whale. But it's clearly. This whole thing is totally toxic. Mess i know. Did i tell you that. I've literally taken up embroidery in the process of Guy student well actually. I can see remnants of your attempts in the pocus. I'll finish it one day however you look at it. the past. Decade in the embroideries guilt has been consumed with infighting and tension in the end. I think the story of terry murphy and the sewers uprising is about cash versus community. About how when you really love something. Mazda members of sewing a male change maker swanning in never having picked up a needle is an affront to the things they hold dead because in the end. These women are losing something that matters a charity that was already struggling has cracked under the pressure of the pandemic and the answer. It came up with mr wicket self apart at the seams. Pick the sent well about embroidery yet. All this about embroidery. Because no people love to ask what happens to you. Thanks this this week and as ever. If you're enjoying this podcast do give us a review and leave us some feedback and the something else you can do to if you'll finding what we do interesting and you're enjoying stories. The newsroom where i work with tortoise is a membership or which means that you can join us. You can join me. I know i say this almost every week but it is genuinely away for you to get more involved in ideas and stories and of course. I've got a code for you guys. 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Tudor Fashion, an interview with Eleri Lynn, part 1

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Tudor Fashion, an interview with Eleri Lynn, part 1

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Listen to st politicians on iheartradio at apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your pipeline. Just fashion is a production of iheartradio with over seven billion people in the world. We all have one thing in common every day. We all get dressed. Welcome to dress the history of fashion a podcast that explores the who what when of why we wear. We are fashion historians and your host. Kathy zachary and april callaghan. Okay today dresses nurse. We are once again doing a bit of time. Travel and also simultaneously fulfilling more than one of your requests for an episode on the fashions of the tudor court and we are talking king henry the eighth all of his six wives. Henry's daughter queen elizabeth. I who casts. I would argue kinda still remains a fashion icon today. Despite the fact that she died more than four hundred years ago. So i'm curious were you. Can of the tutors was on tv. And what is your professional opinion as a costumer as to the cost sticks. You know. I think. I have to go back and watch it because i actually only ever watched a few of the episodes but i will say i was super enthralled because of the portrayal of sir thomas more who of course was kinda king henry. The eight's right hand man. He was a really start catholic and then they had this huge rift. When henry you know wanted to get a divorce and he was executed but one of my favorite favorite portrait's is of thomas more in the frick collection and new york. Have you seen that april. Yes it's by hans holbein. It's the most incredibly beautiful detailed depiction of fabric that i've ever seen in any portrait ever. It's like you can feel the rich red velvet of thomas more's shirt and so it's one of my absolute favorite portrait. So i was really in. You know kind of interested to see how the costumes would translate into the tv show. I would say those details were lost but you know. I know authority on sixteenth century fashion or dress so we will leave that to today's guests. Who is one of the leading authorities on the subject of tudor style and that's allegory lynn. Who joins us all way from london. She is curator of the royal ceremonial dress collection at the historic royal palaces and in addition to working with their wonderful collection fashion and textiles belonging to royal persons from throughout history. She's also written two books. Specifically about the tudor era tudor fashion and tudor textiles. The names the two books i mean. We are so thrilled to have her join us today. Alary welcome to dressed ellery. Thank you so much for joining us. Today undressed huge fan of your tuner book. It was fascinating. I actually read it twice Oh thank you. Just because there's so much detail in like really really fascinating information and i knew about this period because i do teach costume history but i learned learnt so much so before we get all of the fabulous fashions today. I'm kind of hoping that we can do you. Like a very brief history. Refresher terms of like. How and when did the tudor dynasty rise to power. And so what. I'm trying to get at is what timeframe are where you're going to be talking about today. Sure well the timespan basically went from fourteen eighty five to sixteen three and it goes from the time when henry the seventh and rita who became henry the seventh beat the last punt hatchet king richard. The third the battle of those were to become henry. The seventh and that battle basically put an end to the wars of the roses which was great dynastic civil war in england in the fifteenth century and henry. The seventh had two sons one of whom became henry the eighth he of the six wives. Of course. I mean famously. Had many problems with getting himself an heir but all three of his children ruled so his son edward his daughter mary who married the first and of course elizabeth who became elizabeth. I and became the great virgin queen and is still. I think she's still of the most popular or the most influential monarch in history and so many questionnaires and reviews of history. So really an incredibly epic family dynasty and covering such an incredible time through history as well particularly from address perspective as we're looking at because really what we're looking at here is the transition from the middle ages into the renaissance proper with all at that brings absolutely and we are going to be talking about some of these various specific monarchs and some of their clothes as we move forward. I'm sure that many of our listeners will already be familiar with exactly how tumultuous kind of claiming and then also maintaining the english throne was during this period. So i'm curious. How did this concept of competitive magnificence as you say play out in the power structures at the english court. Well i think it's really important to say that i know on this podcast. It won't be will be the case but often dress is seen as something philis something extra to the kind of substantive things that are happening but at the period we're looking at now the opposite was true it was considered that outwit magnificence was inward. She made tangible. So basically the more virtuous and worthy you were to be monarch the more magnificent you would look and certainly we know that henry the six who was one of the unfortunate monarchs deposed in the wars of the roses. He basically didn't dress the part he dressed in. Sort of rather. Poor looking rags rags. But you cut pull looking gob rags relative to to what was expected and there was a contemporary eyewitness. Who said he you know. He doesn't look were-they and therefore cannot command the affections of his people so it really was quite important to project that status of kingship dress. Well and of course as with everything in fashion once you have that idea you know as a as a as henry wanted to be a powerful monarch and wanted to compete with his fellow counterparts on the european stage. Or you know. He spent a lot of money on his wardrobe to make sure that he was considered the most worthy most wonderful the most handsome prince in europe. Yeah in some of the. Some 's outlaid by royal households were staggering at this time. And you know in your book that edward the forests spent an estimated. What now today be something. Like between five and six million pounds a year an n. So when we're saying including the royal household who we talking about that time. Was it just like the immediate like family of the blood or are we talking about servants here as well. Yeah we're talking about servants. We're talking of several hundred people at any one time. So obviously the king and queen and their immediate family are dressed in the finest and most sumptuous textiles but the king is also responsible for granting livery said that's basically paying for the uniform for his god's his musicians the people after his horses all of the the royal officials accord and that's all part and parcel of creating that incredible magnificent appearance and it was. This is the it was very important. This is the stuff that was written about in lessons. Back and forth to embassador all across europe is what were they wearing. How they dressed with a the within the finest breaks the fabrics well-kept because it allowed people to gauge the wealth and status of the court. I was sort of a good glimpse into the financial stability and the power of the people in charge. And actually i mean one of the things that is really interesting. Is that henry. The sevens the first to king is often considered a bit of a miser kind of thought of as a bit of a penny pincher but actually he spent lavishly on his clothes. I'm physically in times of threat when his throne was being threatened by rival claimants. You can see the spikes in his expenditure as he spends more on close to maintain that appearance of magnificence royalty. And it's very sad that very few of these garments from this period survive intact today. Why is this. Because it's not simply about their age or or where. No that's right. So as he said. I've i've written a book to to fashion and textiles as well and Really the reason for writing. Those books was in a way to give visitors to historic well. Palaces our audience an answer to the question because i work at hampton court palace which is one of the main stages of the two dynasty. I got often a lot of people saying. Can i come see the wardrobe without pollino. May i see the water. Maybe my sad duty to say you can't it doesn't exist so that was one of the purposes for writing the book but yeah as you say very little of it survives which is really sad and there were many reasons for that so we know from the infantry's that the cheetah wardrobe is incredibly sumptuous and so costly that it was just par for the course it was just common practice. The clothing textiles would get used so the stuart dynasty who who came after the cheetah's probably used quite a lot of the clothing. But then there's also the english civil war that happened in the middle of the seventeenth century and Oliver cromwell held a commonwealth sale. As it's called where he basically sold off all of the royal goods and so we know with a large percentage of the to war was actually sold. Arou- possibly destroyed. And if we know that some people who bought some of the while some of the royal clothing we know one of them was a goldsmith which means that the a lot of those close would probably burnt to retrieve the gold and silver bullion content from the from the textiles and even if it is survive that the storage houses for the great royal wardrobe. We're in the middle of the city of london. And so then they had to contend with the great fire of london in sixteen sixty six which completely destroyed them. So they had you know the the the close of the cheetah's had a lot to contend with but really the prime suspects in all of this probably the cutest themselves because they were gift givers. It was considered a very princely and kind of noble charitable. Search you to give lots of clothes away so so. That's probably what they did. So the clothes of henry the eighth and elizabeth. I probably you know now. Kind of in stately homes up and down the english countryside but the providence is lost is thing so They they probably survived somewhere. But some but yeah. The providence is difficult proof well and and you know oftentimes working backwards as a historian because of this fact because you don't have the the prominence attached to these items. You know a lot of times what we have to go to is written descriptions of the era and also paintings and portraiture but that does in of itself posed some challenges for how we understand these things today when we don't actually get to really see the object and know for sure that it didn't belong to this person. What are some of those challenges. Well that's a really good point to make that actually as historian studying dress from new two periods. We have to go to the as you say. This written documents may very very descriptive. But you can only guess really what they're trying to say you. There's also some kind of Epa jason tombs and and things like that in churches but paintings are really obviously incredibly rich resource for us. I think that the textiles depicted in paintings of this time are really wonderful. Resource for us to see because textiles was so valued in the sixteenth century because their intrinsic value. You know the the people sitting for the portraits really wanted to show off so you get a really great idea of textiles in these things which is why they were gifted later. That absolutely and even even length of cloth were given as like luxury gifts to as well when so used today to the idea of disposable fashion but that was really anathema in shooter period because the value you would never think of just kind of throwing it away more or even keeping you would constantly be reusing refashioning and repurposing it but as you say the challenges of using those sources are are many. Because you don't understand the mechanics of the dress for start. You never really see the pack of the clothes in portrait's so you don't really kind of understand heavy fit together and really that's why experimental history is so important so that's a really important aspect of trying to reconstruct our understanding of to address. I'm really fortunate at hampton court palace over many years. I've worked with wonderful company. Pleasures who reconstructs tutoring historic dress. Based on you know sources but also just trying to figure out how it works together is does it work viable So that's a really important part of what we do. Hey i'm andy if you don't know me it's probably because i'm not famous but i did start a men's grooming company called harry's the idea for harry's came out of a frustrating experience i had buying razor blades. Most brands were overpriced over designed. An out of touch. At harry's our approach is simple. here's our secret. We make sharp durable blades and sell them at honest prices for as low as two dollars. 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I was told that my voice did matter and that i needed to use it and it was those members of the military. My friends who really helped me regain my voice and regain my confidence so that i could be a way for others going forward. Ford is proud to support our military servicemembers. This veterans day and always check out the vets. You should know podcast wherever you listen to podcasts. Then join ford's proud to honor initiative tell ford about a military service member. You're proud of using the hashtag proud to honor and for one hundred bucks on your behalf to military charities up to three and a half million dollars. That's hashtag proud to honor. Obviously it goes without saying that all clothing was made by hand at this time and that also includes textiles. But you've also written a book on specifically about tutor textiles as you mentioned and this period has some really specific kind of aesthetic hallmarks. That i'm kind of hoping we can talk about. I mean we could go on and on and on about this forever longtime. I'm hoping maybe you could give us the inside scoop on slashing you know what was slashing. Why was this happening. I think when people roll into a museum and they see a portrait. They already know what this is. And it's very distinctive of that period. But why was this so immensely fashionable at the time. Yes you're right. i think people would recognize it. They would. It's basically where you see another kind of fabrics through the top fabric. So it's it's a technique way you you creates a decorative little holes or slashes in the fabric three which you can see enough fabric. Usually of a contrasting color and really. It's all about conspicuous consumption. So it's all about demonstrating that you'll so wealthy and important you can afford this incredible doublet but you can also afford eve- even kind of as lovely fabric to go underneath it so it's all about status and demonstrating your wealth. Really so yeah. They were kind of incredible. Visual and aesthetic decorative techniques. That allowed you to kind of show. That often smashing is is definitely one where you see the fabric companies Also in your book. i think it's on the cover. There's an credible image of a doublet has been pierced in its leather which kind of functions in the same way absolutely. Yeah you're right. I mean that's an interesting one because actually that this jerkin. That is perhaps a little bit more functional. That's probably for you know somebody from the middle classes rav than the upper. Echelons of society was interesting. Is they using the same techniques to try and emulate the fashion of the aristocracy so They are still crecy was really leading. would have those kind of statics visual traits and when it comes to thinking of the tudor period my mind like automatically side slashing kind of wanders to thinking about embroidery because they were incredibly fond of using embroidery on their garments. Are there any special techniques from this time or a particular motifs. That were favored. That you'd like to talk about. Yes absolutely so embroidery is a really important aspects of to decoration much less so at the start of the two periods so one henry. The set was ruling at the end of the fifteenth century. The beginning of the sixteenth century the predominant style was quite plain so there was lots of use of domestic fine wool and the declaration really came in the form of sort of edging so embroidery or braids hems and cuffs and collars of of outfits. But that really changes completely in the reign of henry the seventh granddaughter elizabeth. The first so important became so fashionable during her reign and there are lots of reasons for that. I mean one of my personal theories is that because elizabeth was a woman and would have been brought up and trained in the art of embroidery himself that her ladies and her court became much more fluent in the language of roy. Broadway became a bit more popular as a sort of language to communicate with her as a queen and a woman. I talked about that or but certainly the sorts of motifs that you're seeing during cut time a coming directly from printed botanical books New printed books. Because of course this is the time when the printed with quite a new thing that's the status symbol to own book. And for the first time you're seeing books domestic things rather than just religious treaties. So you're seeing botanical moles and herbals and embroidery and books or books for Jewelry and things that and so it became a mark of scholarship to be able to copy from these books and to turn them into some other. Kind of decorative. Art form politically embroidery. So often you'll see the same sorts of things appearing in embroidery of this time. So it's often things like little stroll breeze or in lots of flowers like daffodils or fox clubs. Ope's and very kind of rural scenes that are all built around this idea of nature and the whole purpose behind that is that they're showing how scholarly they are because they're taking it from books but also it's kind of show is that right showing the renaissance idea that they are Somehow categorizing the natural world and show some math stree- over it releases master of nature. Also too we see a lot of painted textiles as well. Not just embroidery. Do we see the same motifs in the paint and textiles embroidered once. Yes yes yet. we do I mean i'm. I'm thinking particularly this incredible painting of elizabeth the first at hardwick in the north of england and your listeners might be familiar with it because elizabeth is depicted standing wearing this incredible skirt covered in motifs. Like are just mentioned. You know motifs of the natural world also different symbols that were very popular at the time as well like Fish inspires and stalls and spiders all of these popular symbols and there is a theory that that was perhaps painted skirt rather than embroidered skirt. They were definitely similarities. Between the two decorative forms this also this also a sort of a very plausible theory that the wonderful elizabeth wears in the rainbow portrait coveted eyes and ears was actually a painted fabric. That it isn't just a sort of artistic license on the part of the painter garment but it was painted and they because there is reference at the time to what they called stained textiles and what the by is painted textile so probably much more of a prevalent art form the we realize how. How is she using that sort of symbolism particularly in that portrait which is really really fascinating in almost looks surrealist like her dress has is in an ears all over it. It's kind of crazy but in a fabulous sort of way. I mean absolutely if i bliss literally and symbolism with huge at the elizabethan court they love to symbols and games and puzzles and codes was a language that they were all at court. Very literate in physically. Because in fifteen. Eighty six but came out by. Geoffrey whitney called the choice of emblems which was basically a dictionary to symbols so You know an arrow which represent marshall fidelity Aspira rainbow would represent the steel. So it became sort of intellectual puzzle to keep using these symbols. So if you apply those meanings to the rainbow portrayed it all becomes quite clear so the reason is called the rainbow portrait is. She's holding her hand to rainbow So that means she has mastery over celestial so implying straight away that she is defying their eyes and ears all over her car which shows that she season he is. Also you know beware courtiers. She's she knows what you're up to She's covered in pearls and that was a symbol of purity so she's really stating claim as the virgin queen also course she's wearing a bodice which is covered in embroidered flowers. And like i said that's not a source of just a pretty pretty thing. She is showing that. She has access to books and learning and scholarship. This is her way of saying that she has mastery over nature. So really is that whole painting. And so many portrays of her from fat time really all by representing her assist devine all powerful being. I kind of always say like she crafted some sort of an other worldly appearance for herself even more so perhaps and some of the monarchs who preceded her. I'm hoping we can go back to one really quickly. Which of course her father henry the eighth i think most of our listeners will be well familiar with his story but what would getting dressed for him for just a normal day kind of look. What is that process. What are all these crazy layers that were talking about and also to. What sort of materials are we talking about. Well it's an incredibly complicated process and there are many many layers so it is. It's a lengthy and complicated process so all of his clothes brought up from the wardrobe within and wardrobe is not a you know a an item of furniture at the time. It was room so there was brought up from the wardrobe in the palace. His close for the day were wrapped in linen and they were brought up. They were handed in a chain along. Align of servants going from the seven who caught the clothing to up in the hierarchy to the most important person who is going to get henry dressed and he had six gentleman of the bedchamber to help him get dressed so he could arrive wrapped in on his gentlemen would get him dressed basically he would stand there. Youtube dressed very ritualized process so the his first layer is a linen shirt. Which at the time was an item of underwear so it protects his his clothes from his sweat also protects his body from the course out of fabrics and then he puts on a doublet and hose which might be fine wool or silk. Mrs sort of almost like a two piece suit. There's a doublet and hose of sort of like know his hysteresis ready but they were which were short. They wouldn't go all the way to his ankle. They were coming usually to the knee. Of course the famous court piece which cost homes oath the witch. Then he's going to be wearing a coat really which has fairly long skirts. And then gow which goes over there says well. I'm of increasingly textiles. So henry was generally wearing fine linen. From the low countries from the netherlands called holland and he was wearing the very finest imported silks so silks imported from italy. Or even further afield virus. He was wearing the finest firs he was wearing the finest velvets As you say the finest embroidery. And i'm the finest jewels i mean they would. They would descriptions of his jewelry talking about diamonds as large as eggs. Some so he's all about showing off more is more is more stunningly. Yeah i absolutely more is more. As far as henry is concerned and this is the part. Where if we don't talk a little bit more about the cod piece. We're going to have a whole bunch of people like sending messages about it and we already have done a mini sewed which was very brief overview of the cod piece. But what place did this particular garment have. Or i guess maybe even call it accessory. I don i dunno. It could go either way. Maybe but what place did the copies have in the tudor hort. It's a really interesting. One isn't actually. You don't see it very much in amnesia. Seton elizabeth's court. It's it's definitely something. That is very fashionable at the quarter henry the eighth so that's the sort of technical backgrounds who it is that a man's hose would have a sort of little flap at the front for access. You know so that they could go to the loo and so on but that that flap sorts of developed and became Exaggerated and so in the court of henry the eighth that becomes very decorative thing so it becomes stuffed with wool and cool and becomes this incredible appendage. And they're very aware of kind of slightly ridiculous. It is in a way because in pageants and plays some of the coaches would where even more exaggerated called pieces which they would give names recorded desire or you know kind of kind of slightly budi names. But i mean it's particularly interesting. Isn't it that it was very fashionable. As a time when henry the eighth was really struggling to produce a male heir. So i think it's very psychological thing. He's he's desperate to prove his guerrilla. It is masculinity in his manhood. And you know and this is the time that the court piece is huge fashionable. And you can't miss it import rates. It's front and center so you know. I don't think it takes a trained psychologist to see that there might be something to that. This episode is brought to you by kiko. The holidays fill our hearts with wonder for kids from one to ninety two. There's no gift more wonderful than the joy of curiosity and discovery. And that's exactly. What kiwi co delivers each month. Kiko sans hands on science art geography projects right to the doorstep of the world's leading specialists and creativity and exploration kids so if your holiday shopping for a young innovator in your life give them a akiko subscription and watch them soar. Unfortunately kiwi co doesn't deliver via chimney yet but with kiko. 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Which is it could be in two pieces like a little sort of bodies talk with with lacing down the front and a skirt or sometimes that could be a one piece dress but that really served as a base for lots of the sort of decorative elements that she would wear so over the front of fact Skirt with be pinned a a really fabulous for war part which is essentially a fake skirt of the most costly fabrics and then she would have a detachable sleeves which would also be pinned in place and often in the same fabrics skirt so she sort of you know with accessorized and then over that she would wear what was called a french gown which is essentially like a sort of manslaughter coked a gown that she would put on over that of beautiful fabrics and it would be open at the front so you could see that beautiful skirt fabric and her. You also able to see the detachable sleeves and to cover up the lacing at the front they'd wear something called a placard which is sort of like a fake front like a little bit of you know kind of little fake bodies that would be pinned didn't place and the pins are very important because this was a major way that clothing was fashioned fastened together at the time. So thing you all of these different layers were pinned in place And one of the wonderful things about hampton court in the tower of london which two of the palaces that we look after historic royal palaces is the amount of pins in the correct and they're they're hundreds of thousands of them so they must have gone back shedding these pins as they walked in from different rooms and they've you know they've really vary in status and style from very plain lead computer ones right up to kosti sola ones jews on the top so you know really sort of incredible record of of pins. That's amazing and we also see that an netherlandish stress from kind of around the same time with the costly vail pins that they were that they were wearing as well yet. I'm the same thing for french. And english hoods so very comparable. Yeah and speaking of hoods what role do those play and they're on stumbles because that comes round around the time of henry. The eighth right does. Yeah yep absolutely so if you think portraits of elizabeth of york. Now she was the queen. Henry the sevens queen and you see her wearing these. Very long english hoods so the english is sort like a bonnet with a triangular front and these very long lap pets which go down the front so that was very traditional style and style that was worn by catherine of aragon famously and berlin brought in the french hurt which was very risque and fashionable from the french court where she had spent many years and the french was was much more find because it sort of took on the shape of the head. It wasn't this triangle on it and sat back a bit further on the head so you could see more of the hair so it was much more elegant and considered risque and in fact when jane seymour became queen. So she's the she's queen number three wife number three who became queen after the execution of blinn. She banned the french hood and reverted to the english. So this was a way of sort of getting rid of the risque remnants of ambulance rain very important very political and they by the time that elizabeth comes into power. They kind of follow out of us fallen out of fashion. Yeah yeah they had a reason for that is because elizabeth as a virgin under queen wars entitled to not wear a hurt so it was a particular status thing that she could play claim to which was torn down or uncovered which she did and obviously she did so to exert her status as both as both a virgin and gradually became the fashion mcchord and speaking of things that she is identified with. Can we talk about roughs. Yeah what is a rough. How did they kind of evolve to be really kind of like the apex of that garment at this time when she wore them yet. I mean i think this is really interesting. I think when you think of henry eighth you think of that you know his incredible girth right hip width of him in the portraits. He took up space as an even kind of his skinny. Courtiers would wear padded jackets and doublets gums to try and emulate his wits so he took up a lot of physical space. And i think it's really interesting. That during the reign of elizabeth you see the male silhouette become much more skinny and slender. So they take up less space but she takes up a huge amount of space. So she's wearing these incredible farthing gales that kind of kind of come out to the side and they dominate the space on these incredible roughs which these lace collars worn around her neck and this technology innovations happening there and discoveries. The reason that those clothes were were able to stand out in that way was because of the great voyages of discovery across the atlantic so those great voyages would discovering whale fisheries and bringing back for the first time copious amounts of whalebone so suddenly you have this incredible supportive material. That enables the clothing. She stick out in that way and so enables course tree kind of large numbers for the first time. But the roughs you know that is so you have these kind of supporting structure. Senteneced the roofs but the other russia quite incredible so from the fifteen sixties onwards they basically they grow bigger and they're fantastic way of dating portrait. You basically you know how. How big the rough you can date. But elizabeth i really champion that. She was one of the first while she was the first person in the records that we know who had her own starch because you need to start the rough it to kind of give them the shape and there's a lot of social history involved there too because it was a technique that was brought in from the netherlands and lots of refugees. Were bringing us in at that time because of the catholic persecution of the protestants in the netherlands in the fifteen sixty. So is it happened a little bit by accident but obviously i think became a really important way. Elizabeth marked territory our thank you so much for joining us today all the way from london and actually a couple of days from now as april mention. You're going to get part two of this on thursday. There is oh so much more to say on the topic and listen. Do yourself a favor right now. 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Ep 55  The road to the Justice Conference

Together Podcast | A conversation about faith, justice and how to change the world

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Ep 55 The road to the Justice Conference

"Hello and welcome to the together. Procast conversation about faith justice and how to change the world. I'm dying and stay joined by emma and chris. How you both doing today guys. Y'all do all speak for us to see it. And you know what i'm gonna ask you ask us how do you you asked me this. The last episode. I wanted to ask again feels nice. It feels nice to be seeing an. I'm dating and ding brilliantly. Thank you although. I do have a sad announcement to make so chris q. The sad emotional music in production but listeners. It's been an emotional journeying this last two years covering so many episodes together and so many thousands of outtakes many delays in our connection recording in different houses. Say many retakes so many slip ups by it's been an absolute privilege. 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We've had fifteen thousand downloads of the podcast. Which is exceptional cross with different episodes. It's been a real privilege and sometimes we chat for ages and we don't even anyone's listening or anyone has if anyone finds wing so you know two three people listening and you've been with us. Thank you for paying so today we're going to do one last emma's dilemmas. We've got no what in the world is a special episode. As chris takes a behind the scenes. Look at the upcoming justice conference which is sure to be an incredible event. He spoke to three members of the justice conference team who shed their vision for what's happening on the twenty second of may make sure you stay tuned to hear that but first up. It's the last over. Emma's doyle say i'm at today's dilemma. Is an interesting one. I wouldn't i. Would you rather them now. The history of f- free object. That attached said i you can touch award drive and new like his lipton it before. Oh would you rather be able to animals upgrading like strange like foods equivalency like okay life robert. I'm definitely taking into into animals. I think now in the history of every object be so peaky. I wanna see what people donald like like even like the money that i'm holding jammie probably like stopped talking next to light breadcrumbs sneezed and put it back. I don't need to know that. I definitely remember like going to union. This weekend ended up. Whose room was like. I don't want any like understanding of what's taking place in this room. Because i probably just wanted talk show. Yeah feel my question would be if you did choose object object. Would you touch. I like on trying. And i guess part of that question is how can i ever benefit you interesting. Do you think of it is because i was somewhat the day in london and then abou- ni- less than twenty four hours later. I so really. Famous person post and social media that they were there left standing in the exact place i was like i was that but then i was thinking in my junior when you were in certain places. I say if you sat on a chair and then it isn't just came like just started reading the names. Unlike the queen had sat in that chair before oh life. I was just. It was just interesting. Like wow they doesn't really benefit you realize relate to applications that one issue like antiques roadshow. And you would have figured out. Oh this is this by law. We'll see if you if you are lucky detective. Then you're going to be probably best detective in the world i actually. I think you've a little bit anna because have you guys ever been like a national trust. Place that hamden core and just thought like king henry. The eighth walked in this exact corridor. The i'm in right now and then he kind of blows your mind a little bit. I maybe that's just me. But i kind of think that is really interesting and part that was because i was fierce guys at hampton court palace and they were like it was hard it was hard term and they were one of these dramatization of something that happened and so there was a man dressed as king henry days. And i find it really fascinating. Just like cnn. Go round and acting in those bits and pieces and it was meant for kids. Sure and i was like all these kids. Foreign king henry the eighth and me like running out going to by like that can that that can actually be quite useful knowing the history of something on a grand scale like. What did you used to do here. So i'm actually meeting towards objects. I think the only reason go for animals is if i could like if i could then like tame them and then just like ride. An eagle rely on feel. We've we've had that question before and colleges got some deja vu. But maybe i talk about riding lions a lot. I don't know now. I think i would really like it if animals could have social media because i think that would be a lot more interesting than humans having social media cap it just lie just chill iran or right back to when i was kidding unlike interested you could just follow the different animals in the wild. I think we'd have a lot more respect for nature syria. How about news new segment of the wheelchair and podcast all say an animal. You have to say what social network they would use A lot that panda. Msn causes endangers vanoise giraffe. I like an instagram stories stories concert. Maybe like twitter so we can share the news of light. What's actually going on with the aspects. a yeah right on the pulse great and then last one dragon. Well they didn't exist today with. Does the bid dragging komodo dragons losing video komodo dragon the other day that crazy. That is like do whatever they want. It was climbing the shelves. And like you see from all care and everyone was just like yeah. It'll be interesting to them. Top social media like of lobbying on me to close the animal. I'd like to the animal. I'd like to see on social media don if you saw it a couple of weeks ago that there was that video of a sheep stock in a little thing on the side of the road and this guy is like this tiny little gap like in the in the road. And it's like large down this home and this whole like a line that goes like it goes on for one hundred years wherever and this guy pulls out in the sheep and the sheep starts run away and then tries to jump over this like tiny little hole and then falls right back in again. I'd love to like the kind of embarrassing apology. Tweet after goods guys. I feel like that was a brilliant last. Emma's dilemma. you we've out the park. Thank you for that final evanston llamas guys. If you're listening there will be. A reincarnation of some kind of style will be rebranded. Rebadged say if you still want to submit your own or maybe you wanna make like power play and say i to just submit one. I want to host emma's dilemmas. Then we love to hear from me but next up is time to hear chris journey to justice conference. It's no secret that last year was a strange one for everyone live back. I can see the things that helped me you guy. Both big ansel zima family spending time outside will good or just ridiculous about a netflix of spent russian but one thing in particular Really stood out from the last year and actually happened the month. Before lockdown even began the justice conference taking place before i even knew corona virus was it was an experience that eckert the whole year to be honest with you before justice conference. I was in a bit of a strange place. Haven't heard god's could pursue justice as you believe we should. I spent the last few years figuring out how to respond to that life and water had been many moments on that journey that full my heart with hope that others will also responded to the school and are more justin equals as possible. I'd also been discouraged by those who didn't care. I've been hurt by institutions including the church. That weren't doing enough. And i was worried about the impending by now i could see ahead of me but then i went to justice conference and it felt like my hope was being stood. Felt like my faith. Being stud and a passion for justice was being rekindled within me for me on the same journey and hair from justice leaders around the world. I was given a boost. I needed to keep gun even in the middle of a pandemic this year the justice court prince back so i spent some time speaking to a few details behind the conference behind the scenes. Look at what to expect this intimate conversations with haiti. And find out why you should attend to stop. Hey i work at stiffened and moreau's with the justice conference the senior development manager with the justice conference. Which i'm really excited about him. That the last few months and another of role where kansas theology research a atiyah fund sounds very busy. Sounds right like a big thinkin. Just it felt like i was just thinking for like two days solid i was like wow. This is this is a lot. Yeah that's great. I mean if it gets us thinking thinking thinking differently that gets us to acting ahead. So what do you to get involved with the justice of the first place so originally locked jobs just helping out. running around doing a bunch of things and i just really enjoy being at the conference. There was something about it like hot. These these people. This is my triumph and the the sense of as underlying narrative around justice and not kind of primarily just going off the one issue that issue godden And trying to do it. In a way that kind of census justice sincere justice says rooted in who got his. What up during the world. And i think that kind of underlying narrative really connected with me and made me think. This is something i'm excited about. Being a part of instant teacher deathly Concise say for myself as well Very much the same feeling that same sense of oh well his his tribe and for those who don't know about the justice conference. Could you explain a bit more by is history and the purpose behind. Yeah of course as the justice conference in bend in oregon. usa in. I believe it was twenty ten. It was a group of friends wanting to gala together lack justice seekers. And i wanted compensation. I conversation together to learn to grow inspire one. Another to equip one another and so this was a compensation that grew grew happened. A number of years at number of moments events and then at Partnering with his around. The world is being physical events and australia new zealand hong kong. Norway brazil's africa. Ed midland's yet in the uk in two thousand eighteen and then last year as well so thousands of people have connected through the justice confidence connected with other people who share a passion to see justice florida. On god's and see god's world gung on it is in heaven awesome. Haven't been myself Slight raid Beautiful blend of light conversations like you said. Teaching prayer worship friday things together. Why and how he. I think i think there's something about helping people engaged where their ads. So what helps you engage in so sometimes for some people that often told is really helpful and but other people. It's the crates of intimate that that that really a more helpful stimulating Adding to that kind of panel discussions. I think will just brings a richness in it that versity and one of the things. I've loved mine. Interaction with the justice conferences. Real genuine value around Esti in the sense of really wanted to hear different voices and it's not about comes confrontation one percent speak and then go away and do not it. But it's been pod to become a citation of a number of voices people different backgrounds different contexts. And and i think a real richness that we get from engaging with that that variety Whether it's different people but also the different ways of kind of engaging from creative stuff to talk to a breakout sessions panel discussions and things like that at Guide on why is it so important to gather together wise. It's time for us to bring everyone to explore these mode multiple ways of exploring these issues together. Yeah i think. I think there's a number of reasons why gathering Where the gathering in a physical location or as we doing this gathering land digital space I think i think can be tough. Can be tough for. People are followers of jesus who see justice essential to the gospel central to good theology. Essential to the biblical story. Central to god's character in wanting to live in ways that justice etcetera etcetera. But if if you lack that but you're in a church community doesn't necessarily agree or see the same way osi justice a significant central or important thing. It can be tough. It can be it can be Learn he space. And i think it's really easy for people to be feel isolated anti phil Ma'am definitely had that. At times. over. The one of the reasons i love. The justice conferences provides beautiful moments of connection for people to get together with others. Who share hot for justice who to learn and grow and help by this kind of on this journey together and it's it's really helpful to tap into this bigger broader story. That were out. And what god's up to in the world and so tapping into. I guess not as easy to sometimes just little community little world wherein and so when we gather either nationally or in this this year globally and we can. We can get back tap into all this much. Bigger story of what god's up to nothing that can be really encouraging f. One hundred percent and you like you said it's a it's a. It's a huge story and you mentioned earlier. There's not really like just all would just talk about this one issue this year next year. But it's the elephant in particular that there's going to be a focus on this year. Yeah he just richard. I guess that like on the one hand we really try not to be primarily about Issue it's the justice conference for for peppis that i think there's a risk that if we I near about issues. It's easy the journey. We take to kind of its way into eventually no longer be rooted in the way the kingdom of jesus christ and so i think that is to have the owner of justice as the foundation that gives us a solid base from which we can tap into explore different issues. But having said that of course there will be all sorts of issues that we will be talking about different ways from a main stage sessions. In lloyd's breakout sessions in all sorts of things people be able to get involved in and as always topics will have cost the climate change in creation. Care that's gonna be big one For us agriculture the global cross is that we're all facing different ways. This is such a big important conversation. Racial just racial injustice will be a topic Engage with Ways math from the main stage and from various breakout sessions out. And i realized the other day that the conference will be at just a few days. I think it is. Before the anniversary of the tragic. Death of george floyd and so it will be a poignant moments to to have some conversations around racial injustice moving engaging with global refugee crisis modern-day slavery decolonizing clergy. And then something. I'm particularly excited about as alaska focus to mention is is it. We we having a session. Around young people emerging generations it will be hosted by young people and we will be listening to young diligence young practitioners from around the will discuss at the role again. People in the judges pursuit of justice. And they'll be discussing how ab- we can shape a better world for emerging future generations. I'm really excited about that session as super exciting as well as young relations. Who else can we expect to see at court for a number of names that i'm really really excited to be able to share never named Familiar to many people. Got people. Like lisa sharon hop from usa. He's swell none and founding president of freedom royd and chris Famiglia fights particularly in the uk and danielle strickland from canada. At his fantastic and They'll be lawful too long way katherine. Ko catherine heyhoe sorry an atomic scientists christian time scientists just a really renounce beka. A number really really pleased that we've being able to to book hair in people like reverend eugene shot had been involved with the justice conference in the uk before at. He'll be involved this well so lots of names we over the next few weeks i will be able to be announcing even more excited about the people that will be able to see involved in the conference. Finally what a you pasha looking forward to. So if i'm honest. I'm i'm really looking forward to everything running smoothly. Yeah we think conference which is latin. For twenty four hours to three continents would contribute his phone icon. You don't even know how many from different cities and towns around the world and every so many times lines involved in all sorts of things. So i'm i'm looking for Running smoothly but then. I think i'm listening to some of those lines. Speakers looking forward to hearing them as people like lisa sharon harper cutting here. But i'm passing one of those looking forward to listening to perhaps on the less than knowing people that will be involved in some of the breakout sessions and people from all around the world people very different contexts cultures Pleasure economic situations. I look forward to try to listen to get to what's different than not different situations but also maybe it's the same. Yeah and listening to what god is saying. What up to the world in. Because during in three gods chech- and pap sensing something. What god is inviting me Towards missiles i. I'm heyday man. I work at tiff. And as head of global church influencing. I have been with tiffany for just over two years. Now i live in south east london in a place called peckham the married and have a little four year old daughter and on extra love life. Love people food love it. Listen i love the saffi's london shah as well. I'm croydon based Gordon breun and breads packman quota. Always seems to get at least with my demographic growing up but that's a whole nother story today. We're talking about the justice conference. And i've been speaking to a few different people just trying to get some ideas about actually what is conference is why it's important was gonna look like it. Sacha and i guess. I wanted to talk to you about as she the importance of including global and underrepresented voices a challenges. Come with will impact. That as they've been impostures yes such a good question. Chris i think. Let me start by saying that we as people are shaped and influenced by what and who we listen to we watch. We read who we hang out with all of this informs at astronaut choice perspectives in life and so forth. Field really is different. To that. On the question i would ask. Is who is shaping your imagination perspective on the bible. And how do we interpret that in. Today's context of have you did your book bookshelf. Have you ought to joe podcast list. Have you would see jewel viewing options. I use circles. What diversity is within that. And as i have had this conversation with people over the years it's been so interesting to see these let revelation movements of people just getting. Yeah my bookshelf. Really white podcasts. Really why by by life israeli. Why and yet my experience a church has been shaped by all of those different narratives in lenses and voices and stories and so fool the justice conference and for impassively being shaped by global Unrepresented voices means. I get an opportunity to see the bible through different lenses to understand my Framing through different lenses and so the challenges that come with that The uncomfortable of all of us needing to critique where starting twenties and i think to be really big challenges is the willingness to be open to that critique covering understanding of the stories. We've been told at the lens we currently have. And i guess the impact for me and the justice converts release about is about giving fresh revelation a fresh perspective on who goethe's in this world and it's not just about a global perspective or western perspective. Or what you might want to cool that. It really is a world shaped by god's and lots of different people and tribes as it says in the bible that the kingdom of god is represented by many nations many tribes and if we're only hearing one nation one tribe story we ought tokyo misrepresenting the biblical narrative and good story. So fool the justice conference and again. I the hearing these voices from around the world. Just bring a fresh and unique perspective. I think that sounds amazing and definitely sought from the scene. Play out when i was there. I remember one hundred sessions where i remember sitting next to someone just random guy and Off the session. He just and he said you know. I've never. I never realized that was white. I was like with me. And i get that thing that you'll saying that i guess if you take yourself as the defu you don't even take into consideration what that means and is she your own identity and what you bring to the table when you read the bible when you talk about justice when you go to churches that have you seen that kind of impacts half over people as well. I guess even like cold charge levels and stuff like that. Yeah i mean. I think i could testify to this last year. Being an awakening for the church. In a way that we've ever i've seen in my lifetime and i think when i say awakening i say that very loosely very lightly because whilst i think there's been awakening in annan enlightenment of some sense of the huge conversation around race and ethnicity. I think the judge has a long way to go. I think space is at the justice. Conference create a really healthy safe environment for us to explore these really sensitive topics as how that relates. The chech- will broadly in the uk. And i think we all have a responsibility to be thinking about what is my role to play within the church the liquid and and how do i get to speak into the leadership in two different spaces. I am as to how we just leave it as an awakening as a revelation Compensation into action. And i guess if we're thinking about a more long term to do you need to think about ten games and you long term gains and the church is not going to change overnight. Coach doesn't change every night. Does it. And i think we've got a long way to go to shift coach but it starts with me definitely. It starts to festival mice. Than if i'm not prepared to gal myron echo chamber and to understand the of the bench never going to change. I think the just comforted I is hugely challenging space to come into but it's also really safe encouraging environment to allow but challenge to come in in health in a helpful way in not one that's going to attack us but one that's going to help us to have fresh perspective to hear the stories of somebody else and for me. Midden justice cupboards twice. Now we've had it twice in the uk. I have always walked away. Having something new having been encouraged at also been challenged but the challenge really is about the invitation to step into seeing god's narrative in a much broader sense than the one that we've already currently earned a yeah definitely and oversee. This year is different as online. But what kind of choices are made with the conference to make sure that it's ethical and sustainable yes so we've had to conferences in the uk in physical spaces and each year. We've built on our ethical and sustainable policies by ensuring that everything from us for all of us suppliers cage with patriots whether that's where we're getting but printed or not or whatever that might be we've sought to find people who have a a a good ethical standing owen carry sustainable policies themselves and so like you say to that is that from this year will will continue to build that when we moved back into physical spaces as you say we're online that she is so it's gonna be very different. We haven't had to think so much about the physical gathering as such. But we're still able to talk about what is it needs to be ethical. What does it mean to be sustainable in still bring the invitation to those adjoining with us to think about the supplies where they buy clothes how they think about recycling all of these things and we're doing swift. We're running some climb electives this year as well which really helps us to understand buying power and how that affects the will that we live in and how it affects climate change. So there's lots of ways that we can think about a sustainability and what it means to be ethical and not just in how we run the conference in her week. It's live on lives as well around that we hope that the justice conference just a Embodying that again just brings Encouraging other people to think about that in how they run events in their own in their own spaces with the ranch is whether they have a wedding or a party the loads of like ways and means that we can do that. And i hope the justice conference gets to be a platform for sharing on the very practical elements of what it needs to run ethical and sustainable event. Yeah awesome that sounds fantastic and lost least. Were you possibly looking forward to this year. So there is a speaker coming cold. Lisa sharon hoffer who i have basically shed her book out with as many people as she is amazing. I can't wait to hear her contributes at the justice conference. She is brilliant light. Yes i'm looking forward to that but beyond that again just to be in a space with hundreds of other people not just from the uk now because it's the global conference globally coming together to learn to shed to worship to hear the stories of people across the globe and to be impacted by. I always come away in practice. My name is abby. I work for the project. Management team at tiffany acidic look after nine events which is a joy and with the justice. Conference i am the event niger. So events events crazy and of course crazy out of course. Euro and online event manager is very necessary this year in particular as a. It's been a crazy as we would. I the coronavirus is fundamentally changed. How we do a lot of things including the conference How's it been switching up a conference which has always been kind of taking place in the physical venue to a remote conference online. Yeah it's been a whirlwind adventure. Jeff everyone involved say am prior to this year. We ran the conference. Eleven countries in passan in separate countries. This year we decided to to guy for it and do a big global online gathering m which is exciting. I think it means that we're looking at issues. Globally and how they impact the whole. Well just not not just us now. Weiland epa has its challenges main am coordinating eleven countries three host countries and different times. I it's just it's it's a lot of people working very very hard around the world to make it happen. Say that was exciting. It's so fun. That definitely sounds exciting. I'm glad i'm not the one like cool today in a managing. It sounds along those see as they've been any like unexpected challenges or or unexpected wins in during that and i am so excited about aucoin visas. Oh my gosh you guys. They are unreal. We would not have access to these incredible men and women if it wasn't for the fighter was a global platform so we're able to hear from people in the k. Who lives in australia. In south africa new zealand just everywhere and vice versa. They get to hear from us in. The case is a huge win. is also where he good just to constantly deconstruct the kind of weston that we know it kind of retard dykes at she. Hey from people an indifferent Closely with colleagues in hong kong in australia in just hearing their perspective on things really inspiring and an swear in the world as well. That's been not been huge wins. And i think the challenges may not Everything just takes a little bit longer and everything just takes elect so much cooperation in collaboration. Where big family so just training make decisions and do that wisely and was favor it just takes time but that's not a bad thing. It's just. I'm someone as you know chris who just likes to get it done. Say i have to practice. Patience sounds really exciting. And i guess you mentioned like you've got different countries involved. Go people from all over the world different times stuff. How is this will work. What is the actual format for this year. Yeah app on the twenty second of. May we stopped in hong kong now and you can cheese to do the whole twenty four hours but i will be there with twenty four hours and sarah star in hong kong and we do eight hours than the stream comes to us knee k. And we do a hours. He then we end with a hours australia. So it's the full twenty four hours a conference on the twenty second of may and you can go to our website to see the full program rundown because it's it's it's a beast of a program to twenty four hours of content as low in as your please do this guy and check it out. 'cause it's much much lots of clinton on roussel safe safe. I'm like i'm on your wave as well. i'm. I'm not waking up early. I'm going to bet that lay is not how how long have access to light. Cfm yes a really good point so we knew that people are not going. Wanna stay at for twenty four hours. You just joined forever you want to join full and then you can catch including the ticket included in the ticket price you can catch the contempt for a month after the event you just go on you. Watch it while you're making cup of today have emails. Just what some a inspiring Discussion cash listen. I i know a big thing speaking clock about as well a big draw of the justice conference to speak is like you're saying from whatever the while the expertise but never huge of is like just being around other people on the same wavelength bumping into random people having random conversations. And just yeah have let me in making those connections. How are you able to kind of invade that same sense of community in the online space crisis educate question and is one of the hardest things to do in the online space it so difficult so the justice conference and it won't be like enormous ages. Come because we're gonna be online and but we're going to have a very live. Inactive chat book said very good chat moderators is going to be. Qna's and at panel discussions and up for people to engage an off to the event is embiid is building a movement. It's an opportunity to get plugged in now to. They continue the conversation the months to come. It's just an update to of guy. What is it. They all talk about when they talk about. Justice watched ikea care and to hear from the people that live. And breathe this every ounce of that being and then a with some questions. I want to expose the spanish in the new go and do that. Alongside the growing movement of justice conference. Uk she's the best at wilson. I'm so so for those who you're listening to. Who wanna grab a ticket. Where do they go crazy. Yes we keep it. S in easy for you guys to the justice conference dot kerr uk and as links buttons everywhere to book tickets and and we actually can offer you guys discount case we are on discount cage. She's i think say is w eighty underscore social w. What undisclosed issue say guide guy. But he take that in at checkout. Gets you ten dollars off your ticket. Lover finally war. But you will you personally looking forward to last year at chris Justice conference together in twenty. Twenty and m. I just It was is gonna just being spied. It's like every cell in your body just kind of like a vertebra this site. Cool that god gave us to chase justice fouts last year and i think he kind of talked my tank can be going and i'm so excited to hear again and just be like yeah with my brothers insisted around the world where cool to this is who we are as people who love him for the jesus this is optional. And so i'm looking forward to that top of the tank and speed and ignited and set free kind of guarantee my thing. Justice conference is shaping up to be an amazing event like absurd. If you tickets make sure you head to. Www dot the justice conference dot. Chris and emma what you looking forward to conference. I think what. I as we discussed in an interview by the influential inspiring people who that they can learn from his invaluable. So i'm gonna be tuning into the show. Yeah i'm really looking forward to hearing from the incredible speakers and off the amazing conversations and discussions that come off the back of all of the information that is shared and the knowledge that is gained from compass like that. So yeah sorry excited great. Thanks guys for joining me on this episode on journey the last two years. Thank you for listening in. We've really enjoyed it as well. Thanks for sharing missing experience. The together podcast. We'll be back soon. So make sure you look out for the latest episode and if you like what you hear today then had to instagram photo us. We ought to fund for the latest updates.

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S5: Love: February 13, 2020: The Execution of Catherine Howard

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S5: Love: February 13, 2020: The Execution of Catherine Howard

"True crime happens every day. So if you enjoy this episode on the execution of Catherine Howard Fifth Wife of King Henry the eighth you should check out our today in true crime. podcast you'll hear a new episode each day Eh. Imagine never running out of true crime content again followed today and true crime free on spotify and anywhere you listen to podcasts. Today is Thursday February thirteenth twenty twenty on this day. Hey in fifteen forty two Catherine Howard. The Queen of England wife of King Henry. The eighth was executed for adultery. According to her husband she broken the vows of their marriage long before she ever met him. You're welcome to today and true crime. Apar- cast original due to the graphic nature of today's as crimes listener. Discretion is advised extreme. Caution is advised for listeners under thirteen. Today we're covering the execution of Catherine Howard Queen of England. Let's go back to London. On the morning of February thirteenth. Fifteen forty two the day before Valentine's Valentine's Day Catherine Howard's alabaster skin was was even paler than usual as she was led from inside the Tower of London to Tower Green a small secluded patch of grass. It's used for the execution of nobles away from the prying eyes of commoners and spectators. She was terrified and week. It took two guards to lead her up a small scaffold onto the platform where the executioner awaited as the charges against her were read aloud allowed. The guards held Catherine up by her elbows but then Catherine collected herself instead of pleading or crying. She stated that she desired all Christian people to take regard onto her worthy and just punishment. She stepped away from the guard supporting hands then. She knelt calmly almost elegantly and placed her neck on on the chopping block. She was poised and dignified in fact she practiced for this moment the night before. While locked in the Tower Tower of London she had requested a model of the chopping block that would be used she wanted to learn how best to place herself upon it but but no amount of poise could stop the inevitable with one fell swoop. The executioner brought down on his acts Catherine Howard the former queen of England and wife of Henry. The eighth was dead. It was an untimely passing. Catherine's exact age has never been confirmed but by most accounts she was still a teenager in fifteen forty two charming beautiful and full of life unfortunately uh when it came to matters of infidelity no amount of charm or beauty could save a woman from the capricious vengeful wrath of Henry Henry. The eighth in fact one of Henry's previous wives the infamous and Berlin had been beheaded after facing similar accusations nations King Henry. The eighth was not one to take sexual dalliances lightly in other people anyway even dalliances that took place before he was in the picture Henry. The eighth was an insecure ego maniac almost thirty years older than Catherine and despite his numerous wives mistresses and extramarital affairs the fact that his new wife had engaged in relationships with other men before her marriage to Henry triggered the kings deadly vindictive temper he banished catherine to a monastery and immediately Eddie Lee said about convincing parliament to retroactively pass a law convicting her of adultery and treason as soon as the legislation was passed he rounded up the men Catherine had allegedly slept with and forced them to admit their deeds next he he had one of the men decapitated the other wasn't so lucky before a jeering crowd he was hanged hanged castrated disembowelled beheaded and quartered then the heads of both Catherine's former lovers were placed on spikes and displayed prominently on London Bridge on February tenth fifteen forty two officials arrived at the monastery where Catherine was cloistered. They collected the young Queen placed her on a barge and sail down the Thames toward the Tower of London as they floated past London Bridge Catherine looked up to see the rotting heads of her former Mara lovers. Three days later Catherine was dead coming up the misfortune and jealousy that led led to the death of a queen now back to the story on February Thirteenth fifteen eighteen forty two Catherine Howard the queen of England and wife of King Henry. The eighth was executed for adultery. Catherine was Henry Henry The eighths fifth wife at the time they married. She may have been as young as sixteen and was most certainly a lively. Pretty well liked liked courtier. He was in his fifties obese sickly and covered in poss- filled boils plus. He'd had two of his his previous wives killed. It wasn't an ideal match but who after all could refuse the king he wanted Katherine at least until he found out about the freedom of her early years. Though Catherine Catherine was of noble birth she was brought up in rather peculiar circumstances she lived away from her mother and father at Chatsworth House. A largest state that functioned more like a boarding house for noble children a place for their parents to send them until they became adults or got married in a sense. It was a lot like summer camp. There was little to no discipline and the boys and girls were known to spend time in each other's quarters. Doing what teenagers do Catherine received little in the way of education at Chatsworth but her beauty energy and spirit made ain't people take notice especially men unfortunately Catherine's first sexual experience was not consensual around and age twelve or thirteen. She was molested by her music teacher. Two years later she allegedly began a consensual sexual relationship. Hip with Francis. Durham a young man. who also lived at Chatsworth House? Their relationship continued until Catherine's former music teacher sent the teenagers caretaker. An anonymous letter informing. Her of the affair Catherine's behavior wasn't particularly scandalous or uncommon uncommon especially among nobles. It's almost certain that her former teacher was simply jealous. Petty and vindictive but there there were consequences a short time later. Kathryn moved to a different house where the story goes. She began a sexual relationship with Thomas culpeper. Though it was brief they proclaimed their love for one. Another and parted on good terms. When Catherine was called to court it an of cleaves the fourth wife of King Henry? The eighth wanted the pretty girl to join her retinue but quickly King Henry. The eighth also took notice of Catherine Howard. He began showering her with extravagant the clothes and jewellery and despite his rapidly deteriorating health and their significant age gap he began to court her though though he was still married to Anne of cleves Henry. The eighth wasn't one to let them marriage stand in his way he had his current union annulled gave gave Anna Biggest State and a respectable allowance and then took Catherine as his new wife. Still despite an inauspicious auspice beginning for a short time their marriage was a happy one. Catherine proved a capable popular queen and her youth and vigor boosted the kings spirits and health. But then her luck ran out after learning of her previous. CBS relationships King. Henry forced parliament to pass a law stating that an unchaste woman marrying the king should be guilty the of high treason the proposed law also stated that any woman who presumed to marry the king. Without admitting she'd been unchaste would would be put to death. The Act was passed on January sixteenth. Fifteen forty two Catherine Howard was convicted dictated retroactively. When offered the chance? She didn't even bother to defend herself before parliament. She knew she'd never convinced the king's men to turn against their master. She did however make one effort to save herself when Catherine was arrested at Hampton Court Palace before she was exiled to the monastery she broke free of the king's guards and ran down the hall toward the doors of the chapel. Where where she believed? Henry was praying there. She screamed in vain at the top of her lungs until she was seized. Once more by the guards hards today. Legend has it that her ghost can still be seen running and screaming down that very same same hallway. If you enjoyed this episode. Check out our episode of haunted places on the Tower of London. Thanks for listening to today in true. Crime I'm Vanessa. Richardson listen today in. True crime is a podcast original. 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409: Polly Wilkinson, RHS Hampton

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29:26 min | 2 years ago

409: Polly Wilkinson, RHS Hampton

"Peter you are of C tunes to another episode of such wear. I'm is in the middle of a politics. I am too small and time on picking out. Plants far what is real job? Let's play the infringing on all come back to you. Just after this. Ladies and gentlemen, bug into the Sud so garden podcast. Last year about July a girl budget, the pollyanna Wilkinson Polly Wilkinson got in touch people to tweet at Chelsea in true, horticultural style. It's not that big industry. We sorta no people who knew people who knew people on how friends and colleagues and et cetera in common. If you stunning Polly was building a garden. Hunter card pus Lehrer show built I should say metaphor. On here at the time from her interview in two thousand eighteen is what she had to say. Take a listen to this. That's good to have those one translates a message a metaphor as you call it into something that is photosynthetic on pretty on on. What is the picture dot people will then see at Hampton Court policier show two thousand eighteen neutral with it. So it's gardening. Too hard on one half with got what danger to be a really ordinary garden. What I'm going to try and capture that is what you'd expect in a really skunk kits about then Kerri gardin, it's not meant to be unpleasant noise. It meant to be particularly pleasant. It's meant to be Monday. So it's a cross loopy over grain that would be Plum in takes me the wrong place that will be individual plans. I think as a designer you're pumping groups, and they don't just don't them rounds. They very much that classic thing going to garden center and buying one plot putting it in don't necessarily thing. King is the right aspect, and then should just be fucking boulder. So it's they would very much be what I hate. This is going to be the talent. Trying to catch a the ordinary nature of standard garden. It will have a washing line. We'll have kids toys that will have smoking and hosted and. Plunked, totally the wrong pulse. And so it's I would be. I look as ordinary as possible. And really it will have some really lovely cultivars in that. And is meant to be for me sort of not towards the good things in life that nice is not all bad or good. The you know, it's really to say it will have really pleasant things, and it when it could have some unpleasant things there's going to be plenty of weeds because as I said like snow pass. So that's really meant to be a metaphor for everyday life. Then joined small thing in the middle. Dividing the garden and on the other side that will be an idealistic garden. I'm here, I'm using artificial plumps a few plumps that you wouldn't necessarily rush to put in a garden at the moment when the praying disease or particular pass, plenty of FOX in that some of the plants are gonna have heating proteced somewhat. We talk again, it's meant to feel unachievable say they're going to do a golf and don't hardy dying this country. So it's meant to be something. You couldn't replicate realistically because sometimes what you say. Should we did you call it a Kate? What's important to know? Is does some people go to Kars Kuhnen sorry? Some people know us. We went to a show we did like discarding or discarding, which is terribly allowed this no reference to Polly on what she created. But the point of this is a little bit of what exists behind the scenes. I don't wanna take the sheen off for the future stunned meet on a take the what all you've always described as the curtains just much opened a garden just much seems to appear and nobody ever really sees wetter. Your toaster broke or your electric blanket was purple are your toasters down. None of that sort of comes into book because I knew pollyanna new police set of. Behind the scenes. I said for a while what if we did as sort of a daily diary, a one to two minute recording per day on the run into the show. I'm what you'll find is what sometimes happens with a such. Oh interview. Clarify dot sometimes I sit down with people, and we end up going all the way back twin there were three or four or five years of age, some dot never happens odors, talking about the music that like our or God only knows what foes true Peter's head or what dot com sation becomes. Element of trust in there. Is known to something in there. And in all things where you speak better designed that you're creating and the message maybe that you want to put across or what you want it to become that piece of paper price aid picture in your head. That something that hasn't yet been born yet. It hasn't been seen in reality. It's reason why I have -solutely adored doing what I do. Dot dot trying to formulate dot how do I say this? Like like when Romeo says of Juliet and see how she leans that cheek upon the hand over a glove pond, Hans delay cheek. No steel to in obsolete and actuation adoration. Love uring is s at childlike infantile. You will quote Dylan born at this point say fight on spend rest of my life. At you. I'm going to have itchy Tresors. Some people can't identify with that a notice closed her eyes and they see. Kassi and he'd cliff or to Romeo, and Juliet or whatever that lady or Mon in your heart in your head might be hoped that makes sense, but what referencing myself too much? More to the back of wear on why? And what you're about to hear the garden in Cardiff died, Royal horticultural society show Cardiff. That I've designed and being built by Burnham Oxford planters in fall, two CD stone and pours, local, Ian, perennial and delicious is just the endless. Under seventy four hundred twelve phone calls. I say seven hundred four hundred twelve seven tells four hundred thirteen Frawley Notre teams, and look you. Call Levin footers appointing there where the electricity bills to us to be paid. You still gotta make a summit in the morning. Of got walk the dog. I don't know feed the goldfish. I don't have goldfish foot normal things life people humans hearts sitting down on the picnic bench, even ice cream cone with your bow your next of kin whoever thought might be missed you or MRs you it's not a for four three five same tree forum five to one time. But it's not a tree forum five they think for designer. It doesn't mean to say, it's pull your hair. But it's a bit longer than that. But more to it than. So what I'm gonna do gonna play. Twenty one days of pollyanna Wilkinson from top to toe from start to finish straightway true minute farsight. And in the meantime, if you're still if you need a bit more information, you're listening to this in the future just drop me outside show on Twitter. Facebook dot com slash desolate show or go to such calm. You get all the contact. Details tells they're huge Mussa, thanks to plenty undo. I enjoy. Trying to see. So where about two weeks away from build, and I'm Hortus loci just coming to pick out with plants for the shave. The weather has been crazy of the last week. It's been pouring with rain. It's been really hot and humid say in to see if the plants I had in mind going to be in the right mic for the shave watch this space. I am back from what is loci. It's a couple of days later. And on reflection. I think I had really underestimated the planting side of things in that the plants haven't been grain to order. It's more of a case of selecting that which is available at the time. But even then. With three weeks before the show now and trying to pick out plants with a sort of guarantee that they'll be in flower for the show week. There's something that feels very uncontrollable particular on tight budget. So I don't have the luxury of picking out lots of spares and backups in case than in flower. So we'll be going back in one two weeks time to fine. Tune the plants and just make sure we've got the best chance of possible of that. Which I've picked being in flower does feel very unpredictable, and I guess that's just a feeling you have to get used to. Tomorrow, I'm going to head down tuna Southampton to palms exotics to check out my Garvey, which the guys booked over from Spain back in April. Unfortunately, they came back just before the huge snowstorm. Sue, I think they did get a bit of damage. So we will need to figure out with a they all usable or whether we're gonna need think of a plan bay. So it feels very uncertain right now. And I'm back from palms and exotics and feeling excited. Okay. Comes a plane. Yeah. I live near Heathrow. The evolving, look fantastic and picked out some lovely succulents, which I'm going to inlay within the gravel nice. Impractical would not survive in this country, we around so again, serving to reinforce that message of of that which she sailed social media, not always been achievable, quite what it seems. It was it's like little tropical paradise down them from tastic from tastic plants. Just so excited at the gov actually seem to whether the snow really, well, you know, they've got some got a little bit of damage, but but nothing that we can't cont mosque UP. I have just got back from the nursery to an Email telling me that the overgrown grass I was expecting tough delivered next week. Has been sprayed by the farmers and is now dead. So I have five days to find a supplier of overgrown grass, rich. No one is doing because they will supply really nice neat. Short grass. And so my options now appear to be. Dig up my own back garden, which does have evergreen gross in it right now. What can I say being busy? Manically Fain as many people as I can. Everyone says this is stressful. I know everyone said it was stressful. Those. Right. Start recording stop making phone calls. Taking a moment to calm down. Not going my way today. Just as I think life solved the dead turf situation. The delivery of Adam Christopher designs. Wonderful planters arrive. I put up the box and sure enough. One of these lovely planters has been smashed in transit. These come from Spain. They're expensive to ship, and it takes upwards of ten days to get them to the. They all medically finishing off to new pots for me in the studio now, which are gonna get shipped in a couple of days. So. Oh, nothing like cutting. It really really fine. With no plan b. This is such a joke. Lundy some things to go right now. Right is three days later. Most problems have been solved some pulse on are on their way to me from Spain new girls booked in. Who was bitten issue with the would solve now. Two screens. They're on their way as well. So. I'm fos learning. This entire procedure is just alone exercise in Justice and problem solving. So now, I'm at London stone. I'm about to watch my paving being caught and we're having grooves cut into it as well. We're going to inlay bras within been well, which should look really slick some really excited to see that happening now. It's day. One. Well, actually, it's the end of day one of filled and a great day. So had back down to Hortus loci. Again, do some foaming with the BBC for the back story on my garden show really enjoys and then straight back onto site to witness the smartphone being installed, and we've already got paint on it as well as looking really slick it looks like a smartphone. So all is going. Well. Just loving it today. Nothing. Is Bill data to Waterloo? Just heading back for a mornings palming the BBC again now heading back into sight again the smartphone squared away today spray painted now just deciding whether we want to charging cable in the side of it or no. And then tomorrow, I'm hoping we can get the paving from London stain down some really really excited about not going to have a liberal in late in it. Things are looking good. It's day three. Rolston the tame from conquest, creative spaces hair. Now getting started on the paving so expecting quite lot of progress today spit chilly. But also, basically everything's head just waiting on couple more deliveries. Yeah. Fail only relaxed. Filled day four at the wind tunnel site. A to four thirty more than problem. Take off to a rookie star. Not quite enough timber. So just delays things of it. It's a little bit of a slow start. And then this is the native. Just push days. Doc, all logistics and firefighting isn't fast learning, I've said it before I'll say again. Just logistics toughs just arrive in being laid, and I'm so pleased with it. It's really long cutting often and adding onto the edges to make like it's grown into the border, and no one's really done the edges which feels a bit unnatural. But I think it should have the desired effect, and then I have to complete privilege of being opposite peo- dolls planting field. And I have been able to watch him at work for the last two days, which was I said, just a title privilege and explorers. Hits temp EM on build a full. Am I look a boy who's nearly four has just woken not very upset? Because mommy hasn't been. And it's heartbreaking. Only on day four, and he's already finding it tough. Of course, the two weeks of this. Oh, major major mom guilt. Day five of build and feeling pretty flighted right now. Everything's running behind stood waiting on stuff to come. And everyone is getting quite frustrated as a result. No good sitting on the sidelines. Was people do stuff I like to be able to be involved, and I'm just nowhere near skilled enough to do much any use which three frustrating doesn't. Then it self well to me being total control freak. Because I just want to walk in and there's not really much I can do. Hyping? Get hard landscaping by Sunday in just two days aways, not gonna happen. No john's. Frustrated mood income today. On the upside I'm off to see Taylor swift tonight. No judgment guys night. Judgment. Nothing comes between me and a good bit of Taylor swift. Six and what was I thinking thinking hot on gaping would be done in a week. No, it is absolutely boiling outside. We couldn't no shade. Have also other. I'm gaining really attractive tan line round. My mid calls lexical lollies on press day and. It's slow going. Again, we really really let down by a couple of deliveries that turned up the gates realize the lorries we're going to be held in the field for just went. You're right things and drive away with all goods. So. Yeah. Couple days behind the this new Parenti that gonna turn up now they all in the transit Bermuda. Triangle? So I'm having to think of some climb base pretty pretty quickly. I don't know why. It sounds calm. I didn't feel calm to feel panicked. Bills day eight I'm up it's about five in the morning. Just basically running off nervous energy. So topping about five hours sleep a night. I've caught up to here with one of my babies. And get a few sorted. Not come and say. Going then say hi to everyone. Things slowly progressing, but clam at the mercy of the delivery gods who have a couple of really vital items for the garden. So until they arrive just feel I'm going to be able to relax. But we are getting there, and I've got some of my lovely friends from my garden design school coming today to help me out, which I think is going to be a much needed boost. Day nine about seven thirty evening, which is my favorite time of day onsite. Everyone's gone. I'm just putting all the plants to bed making sure they're fed mortared. I'm keeping them all in shade. Because it is just so hot. It's hot. Holt. I've had my wonderful friends from gardening school common helped me point out the everyday garden today, and I tell you what is being quite challenging making golden look ordinary and undesired. Ofter or we've learnt so we had to unlearn everything for the day, which is really fun. I don't wanna say found today, really, really fun. Bit more work to do on the phone to get it to sort of convincing stage. But getting that now, I can see the light at the end of tunnel. She really really enjoyed today. Jay, ten just go the kids to bed. We're getting that the ordinary site is done. I've had some wonderful volunteers. Who are my very good friends. Come and plot, the ordinary side, and we finished the phone day poobah the screen and looks wonderful. And now just the online side to go which is much more intricate much more challenging and we have these wonderful ago vase, which have now arrived. But my goodness that delicate going to be very much handle with care, but we're getting the three days to go into judging and I'm going to celebrate with a glass of wine and good to watch LeVine. And. Day eleven and I've just had a cry. Delivery drive at the kids the plots were no scratch that quite key to the design that the Origene there, pretty lovely blue Sicily type plant, and I love them. And if some reason I think is horrendous weather. Is just made everything will go for too quickly. And no one seems to have any so spent the loss two hours on the phone to every nursery in the southwest trying to source them, and I've managed to scrounge some Ullah has very kindly given me some of hers, and I've got some from another cotton. So. Yeah. Problem solved that has been emotional. Hoping have the hard stuff done today and leaves me two days to plant the rest of the garden, which feels a bit tight. But in a put in some long hours. We'll do it. Light at the end of the tunnel guys. Day twelve charging is in dano on. I shouted. Native plants or went into today. Started back filling them my God is fiddly job. And it takes ages. But we aren't nearly the golfing look at -solutely insanely beautiful. To discard quite a few plants because the heat has just made them come into too quickly. And they're already going. I'm so tired by bright isn't even walking. So I'm watching love island. And then I'm going to go to bed. It is full forty five on the day before judging an I have a fish lead flaunted my last plant done. Okay. I still have to do like little bits before the judges come tomorrow. But I am done. It is leaf polishing. And I didn't know what else I'm supposed to be doing with plants. Yeah. I don't know what else to space to be doing. But whenever I'm going to be doing. That'll be done tomorrow. I am Dun, Dun, Dun, Dun. That's it. It's judgment day. I'm stood manically watering this loan because it is thirty one degrees. And I am attended team to keep things law. It's just roasting. Oughta Lee roasting right in the middle of the show. Crown and is not what tree insight. Bs on the floor. So what about an hour to go till judging round one. Really? Really nervous promising say get my words out. Just a really hope I can do Justice wish me luck. So it's the day after judging and a silver gilt, which I really really awesome thrilled with. Utterly thrilled. I didn't record yesterday because I was too happy. I was having a few drinks. Now day one of the public, and I can relax just for five days of chatting to people about the garden. Yeah. I'm elated exhausted. It's the day off to judging just call home. I call quite believe it. I can't no I call believe I'm so pleased so pleased. I had no idea which way this was going to go and felts all the way along it's like a gamble. It's not particularly conventional to an old washing line kids, plus tick toys in a an all right chess garden, so I'm just delighted that they go to and. Thrilled for for me through for Ed bird landscape. Landscaping Ross conquest creative spaces just everyone. That's involved. It's just all been worth it so much hard work and to get a silver goat from first gardeners. Just. I couldn't also I'm delighted. And. Now, just get to enjoy it. Now, I can to the public and see what they think I know it's a bit divisive. And it's one of those ones where once explained it makes a bit more sense. And I just I call wait to interact with everyone, I'm hither views. Good number. Kimber lacks. Now. That's that's done. Again next year. I guess.

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422: Cherry Carmen, Part 2, RHS Hampton 2019

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29:48 min | 2 years ago

422: Cherry Carmen, Part 2, RHS Hampton 2019

"It's a I was going to say it's Friday afternoon. It's possibly you. Gotta be optimistic about these things a Friday afternoon, but it's probably not pending on what day. You're listening to this on of a in seven chance of getting that, right? And unto the point I hope you're Good Hope you're doing well. Being listened of recent. And if you have you would remember not last week, but the week before Hans that I had a lady by the name of Sherry Carmen, on the show while she's back as was intended. Get to what happened just after his jingle. But if you haven't haired, dad episodes, go back not last week, but the week beforehand listened to that combat here and then this will play on for you from this moment on. You back. Let's intro jingle. Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Sud so garden podcast. Last week, we before all Yod records, it episode with Sherry common part to shut, which is what you're just now. Unfortunately, somebody who looks like me is about my height. In fact, the exact same accent physique and same size shoe did record. Well did do an episode which Sherry, but never actually pressed the record button? So I am. Correcting duck faux pas up booh-booh dot Bodman made that resembles me almost identically. And so I'm delighted to say, I have are back on the telephone line charity. Hurry, you good to hear your voice again. Again again. And then you print, you pressed what button, it's time tank you. Thank you, very much for listening to this show being a patient to have you, thanks to C D stone. We'll talk to you next week. We try that one again share you. How are you? Good to hear your voice again. Yeah. Mine congenial voice, again to Don again, this home share. He's lying is just a little bit coming ongoing a hope. It's okay. A hope you don't mind a hope you'll stick with us because you'll never guess what is alluded to. I have a very vague idea possibly of what is about to be said, deja-vu. Let's call it that and we'll put it down to experience. We'll skip on past all of Debu, Sherry. Let's get to things that are far more important than this bit of in Egypt. Hampton Court, two thousand and nineteen it is with the AP L, which is d association of professional landscapers got that correctly, and it is not their first time to exhibit at the show, but it is their first time for their garden to be put into the show garden category. Explained to me. Me what has happened in the past. We touched on what you've done with them in the pasta the episode before last. Right. So yes, it's the first time that the garden is initial God and tactically is the first one it will ever be judged. Previously, the AP L gardens and I'll say dot little bit loosely because it's only really been the last sort of few years that they've kind of they've kind of made that England Tacoma's trade stand a little bit more interesting. They've kind of made a little bit more like an inviting sort of space. And last year, we had an opportunity to make the space, again, kinda just pushing the boundaries a little bit just making a little bit more a little bit more liken show garden, I, I suppose rather than. Sort of just a trace down. If, if you understand you so last year, we were in and around the show gardens at Hampton Court, we blended in perfectly because the garden, they look like a show garden, but wasn't being judged on. It wasn't really a trade stand. It was known as a feature garden. And this year we wanted to to go one up. We wanted to make something they got better than ever done. And basically, we had the opportunity to make a pro show garden be entered into the show garden catch agrees and be judged, just like every other show got man. So that's, that's kind of what's what's happened really. Is that the AP L gone from having maybe a little trade stand to a space that it is more like a little garden? And then and then Nashua to feature garden. And now it's just show garden. Yeah, they're very exciting. Very sorry team if it's like the first time it's been done for then shirt, you just to clarify a martyr for those this thing that home in a nutshell, it is possible to build inverted commas, eight garden us, let's say Hampton or a card afford. A chelsea. It does not necessarily mean that it is being judged in that category under our grave differences between the two to give you at home, an example of Dodd perennial this year. Who where do you sponsors of the garden, Cardiff duck? Sherry was also part of a you would have heard again the week before last also did a garden chessy put it was indie exhibit category in the floral. Marquee, where to differentiate dot across the way, I ki- it did do a garden in the marquee. However dot was judged as a garden. It's all a little bit. How do I clarify it out and share to is to ju Jing rules different? I think it depends. The on again. What? Cats agree got God and and being entered into. So I'm not sure if for example, the garden that were built in the floor monkey a Chelsea, whether they were the same as the garden outside, or whether they would be judged. The same for the other floral displays her marquee. So I'm I I'm not quite sure about that one, but from what I know about if you, if you have a sort of trade stones, they'll get their own sort of judging, and they get their own sort of medals, as you know, I think they actually starved, you get songs, I think, in hunting anyway. So if you if you have a trade STAN, and you decide, actually we've thought space, you're gonna make it look like a garden, which you're obviously completely entitled to, then you'll be judged like it's a traits on, but it will probably. You look like a, a show garden. It's helped me sense. Okay. That clarifies bit better. Again, just for you listening at home who may be aren't in volved in the industry or Sherry house done in the past of building feature gardens which aren't exactly show cards, but looked like gardens et cetera et cetera. Let's move on past all of that, because in true show cartons style. There are usually very large teams involved behind the scenes discipline seems to be no different at all Sherri. Yeah. Yeah. No way. We're really lucky because it's the AP L we've got note of APO members coming to help. We've got the main landscapers who are APR members as well. Kibo who they, they built the cotton last year the feature gardens APO I last year how cold they built out that was the first taste. And the in sort of show garden building this time, the back this time they back, they, they really excited about being judged all the materials of coming from them. Same as last year clippers same again, same as last year. They are back and they are supplying us with the punts. Really? You know how having someone like the APO behind all of this. It it's just it just means that they, you know, they have the resources landscape heard all the best suppliers, other designers on basically what they've done in said. Hey look, you know, we we're doing this garden. If the first one is being judged, does, does anyone wanna come and be a part of it. And I and I think we're up to about, like nine or ten extra contractors are going to help on the garden. So, yeah, we where we've, we've got a very big team, actually and I'm reading thankful because. You know, you never ever shown to help with with these gardens, that's always something to do every single day and believe me, they won't be a single person stood around doing nothing. We'll all be really busy. We're also getting other people in the professionals in Mayfield. So, for example, the, the, the guardian has a pond, and it also has a plunge pool. So we really do have, so the best people from the industry coming to help us out because they're they quite cited about this garden and the opportunity with, with, with hard with it being judged, our really lucky. You've gone one slight step ahead of me. Because my next question was can you tell the listeners are home on? Oh, you can flick onto the or hey, chess website, and you will get an illustration or a gist of what the garden may appear to be. But nothing beats seeing is in reality, or as I like to say it, close your eyes and just explain it to me, like, I'm a two year old child, what will the visitor see when they walk past out first glance a very simple, simply laid out God. And I'll say it like that because I kind of current played around sort of squared within squares, if if you like so it's very simple. It's very modern. It's very contemporary. But there's, there's a lot of interesting things going on within the garden. We've got planting a different levels. We've got some some contenting. We've got a rain seating area. We've got steps that lead you up to the rave area or not. We'll sort of flow through the planting, we have a author feature towards the front, and it sort of hooked to God, garden round to the white hand side, and it becomes a plunge pool. Little bit. How to explain how that's gonna look. But just wait and see on, on on media case about the of. I think I think the idea replugged pool is something that you don't often. See it was so hot last year. And I think a lot of people would sort of agree, the some thought having something like a plunge pool with Ricky sort of hotter, weather with a great idea, especially if you're short in space. And that's another thing about this God. And as you know, it's showing how much you can do with quite a small space. We phone call a little pond towards the back and the little pond is really a wildlife pound, the other thing, I really wanted to show, everyone is how you can. Modern contemporary look with sort of wildlife friendly plantings of nature loving, plummeting, you know, sort of showing that, you know, you can't put the two together, it doesn't have to be one or the other. I think a lot of people when they think about wildlife garden. They probably think about it as being a little bit sort of messy on, and, you know, has to be rough stick, and they have to be a little bit Twee. Do you don't need to you? You don't need to own. You can have your contemporary modern look with the sort of sleek materials on, then you, can, you can sort of include everything else in it to be wildlife friendly, and you can do that in a little space as well. So I, I hope that it's going to be something a little bit different. The people will see our hope it will give people ideas and I, I really. Hope that it inspired people to kind of think out the box and open with the with they space with whatever space. They're having in the garden just explained to you, Sherry, if you can, what is a plunge pool for those who are unaware. A plunge pool. It, it kind of is what it's, it's, it's called. It's a small pool. It's only one point five me to be you can have it in very small. And it is basically just thought it's you porn into it. It's something that you see a lot of in the whole countries, Australia, for example, a lot of the sort of townhouses, an anon- city houses if they have an back yard, they'll often have a plunge pool, and it's, it's just a nice way to cool down in in the summer. Is it like a potluck tool, but bigger, it's a party pooper deeper, so you can im- you can sort of imagine yourself in the world. I mean you can have any, any sort of that he won't. But, you know, you the only dear is that you can kind of emerge yourself in the say in it. Sponsored about in it. Do whatever you know, chill out, have a glass of wine, or, you know, sit sit there for as long as you won't get wrinkly. I, I you know what are we? What are they going? But it's just a breeding going to play of cooling down in the summer. It's a leading on its way of having some Walser in your garden. And if you haven't got the space for a pool, I know lots of people probably thinking like last year when it was really hot thinking. Oh my God. Are we had a pool and a lotta people by the sort of say, big inflatable pools, you know, for an upper four to depending out this is this is sort of very stylish way of having. One of them is just let's thing in my head. I know it goes around on around and around. But it just wanna play this clip from two thousand and eighteen on. It is from Giles heap, who is the brains behind CD macho stone, or Demonte, while, you would know was to face of CD stone on the question was honest, mid week, y CD stone have decided to put their weight behind a series of. Show episodes. I displaying one of them huge tanks to all involve behind the scenes. Hello, Emily, and Howard on anybody else who I forgot to mention Paula yet, there's a whole bale of us. Their pardon me, there's two of us talking here Carmen, not Bovis Kentucky, same. Emmy for second. So sorry. I just wanted to. These people from eating, and, and I, I do I do know them and just a I couldn't come about them, censoring, and I'm just thinking basis such a lovely note they really are. And I'm on. I'm not surprised that they've kind of, you know, set to your phone for. And I think that they'd really on lovely and I, I met them at my God. And in two thousand sixteen and they, they an opposite life-saver. They, they really because remember our that she only had six days to, you know, from from concept to build the garden and obviously, we need, we need some stone. And they obviously they absolutely helped us out my Findlay. I mean he came to them that surely, you know a a week before we needed to stone delivered and said, can you help us out, and they, they, they gave us some beautiful stone to work with on the? Yeah. I, I can't I can't speak highly enough. About the Mets every single person. I've Mets from CAD have been lovely Howie. Howie Hello, how he from Cardiff. You've nothing. Just now sounds like a nineteen eighty two radiophone in breakfast show with Terri Rogan on. I just want to say Hello to my mom on Madonna's, hope you're a home on, where's your mom and dad based well, actually in Cornwall with Hello, mom and dad have let skew on pastas. We play this little clip. We'll come back to just after this. I think it was an episode titled an impromptu, Tancu on in dot it was essentially, that when you're doing a podcast on a budget on things can be a little bit. I have to give credit as a company between you and Howard on Donna. What was to cut list on them on sure why? But you did support it. There's lots of reasons I think that the basic reason is like what you do. I like the fact that it's in informal chats with some of the best people in the industry, and it's, it's fun. You know, and we, we need to spend a little bit more time enjoying ourselves in listening to people who've got something decent aside. And quite frankly, you know, NAS white. Nas right now, I've kissed you also. What's the next question? I like to spin on things, but it's one thing to say I enjoy what you do on. That's always appreciated. When a listener says, but when somebody says, no, we're going to go a step further, which is what you did on. I'm not accepted posterior kissing. I guess I'm I'm paying a compliment irrespectful wetter was me are a, there are lots of shows out there that are very full move very plans very. Quite frankly, most of them are boring has held, and I think there's something about the show. Is it? It just encourages the not that the true person to come out and you as an interview you do that. And you know in our industry, we've got some great characters. We really have. But you don't get to see the real Saunders them. Most time I'm lucky. I do I get to meet them. I get to work with them. I get to occasionally drink with them. And fantastic people. But so trying to understand that through a formal interview my some big radio company or big goal, costing house away and other it just don't get that feeling personality and landscaping and garden design should be about personality. That's, that's my so, you know, it's, it's, it's real and to say, someone like you who's doing it by simply because you love it, then that semi is worthwhile helping out if you can, and we can look in the day it wasn't my expensive. But I think it's I just think it's a great thing dot laws recorded in two thousand eighteen in butter. See park on those of episodes for sponsored or supported whichever is to choice for that you prepare by London. College of gardens on Sherry, to question is often, I say, often raised invariably it is raised whether it's Joe Perkins who was on last week. And we're talking about the Facebook garden, a why would Facebook sponsor, eight garden a chessy, inverted commas, not so much Watson for damn for the negative. But why? Why would they bought her? Why would perennial garden? Charity sponsor AAC garden at chessy our car too far hardy gets are under show. Indeed, you say in this case, why would the a PL go on put her name at the top of fade leaderboard, choose you to design a show card and Fordham, they don't really need? If you don't mind me saying on one Hans to, to go and do this to get their name out. There are other ways they hav, we get to them in a minute. But the cluster groups are two meetings that they do fill Tremaine. I got it. He was on our Scotties Chelsea. I tend to see him everywhere. I, I honestly take our twenty or thirty Phil Charmaine's on ammonia sure, which of them is actually real when it's like a film with the Arnold Schwarzenegger in. It is a little bit dot. But why would he AP alcohol and build a garden at Hampton to be judged or not to be judged? Anyway, it's the, the AP L really out. I think the growing quite a bit. I think they really do want to sort of showcase. What they're all. About annot that some people don't really understand what the AP L do what, what benefits them or in fits, you know, anybody from being a member. And if that is the case anybody listening, I do highly recommend going to the cluster groups is, as you just mentioned. They are held all over the UK so fine on new Q. It's completely free. Anyone in the horticulture industry can go on is usually held in a pub. You know, I think excuse amount really. And you all sit down. You can talk about anything usually there's a bit of a, a scene going on some things something, we'll be raised, but the ones I've been to there's loads of tips, you know, that to help you, you have any questions about anything, how to win the business, how to deal with clients marketing, etc. Everything like that. It's, it's very friendly. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's great sense of camaraderie within the industry, you sitting there with everyone else who's in the same boat as you. And so for anyone who just wants to go along to one of them. I really do highly recommend it. Yes ago, going back to sort of why, why the AP L wanna do this. I think they, they all growing, and they really do want to get that message across to people in the industry, low the people from me industry, obviously, go to the shows they go. To Hampton Court. They go to Chelsea they have a look around on the homepage. They'll come across the garden on going. Wow. This is great who's who's who's done this. I'm not no paternity to talk to people who maybe not know what the AP L is about show them. This is this is what we do. And like you say, you know, Phil filter made he's he's wonderful. I get on really so well, with him we worked together last year and I think we did. That's probably why I'm I'm back. We worked really well, and we have a we have a laugh doing it as well. Which always helps and he's the guy, he's, you're going going asking any questions you like he's more than how pizza talk to you about the AP L. He's more than happy to talk to you about the business. You're running any questions, you have an really that can help and they that to sort of set an industry standard, which is they hoping to do with. More members with more people interested in what they're doing about really what they're trying to do. And I think I think it's great. You know, I think it's wonderful places like I'm cold. I mean, this is a perfect way to get yourself out there. Perfect way to meet new people as perfect way to network. And it's obviously, it's great. It's great Alba typing as well. I know they probably don't need to need to do it, but it's also about educating people, you know, anyone who might not know about the whoa. They are hopefully with having bigger show gardens like this, and this time it's going to be judged. Hopefully it's it's getting their name out that evening mall. There was a conversation, a heart earlier on today with a radio producer. I guess one of the things that I end up doing a biz is the radio interview, Rotterdam unto radio interviewing she was asking me about pressure in choke gardening when you prepare everything when you have a fantastic team by her side, that pressure doesn't as such what I did say to our however, was, there is a self-imposed pressure where I put it up on my self because he is in France, or Carter for you want to do the best that you kind of don't stay for the best in my opinion, you really shouldn't be in race at all at all the case closed in your case. However, there is a point at which the association of professional on escapers, one of the most widely recognized associations representing landscape. Contractors debate of the best, and they have selected you to be designer that question in mind, is there a self-imposed pressure that you have placed upon your own shoulders? Thank you had that there is. I think everybody's under pressure. The fact that this is the first time it's being judged. Maybe put a little a little bit more pressure on me. But, you know, I it's, it's not always about the mental, you know, it's, it's, it's not always about. No, it's not to me. Anyway, it's, it's not, you know, I like you say, I'm going to do the best that I I've, I know I've got the pine me. I know go keep up behind me. I don't have creepers tying me a nano that whatever we come out we're gonna love to garden and pressure. I yeah, I, I ever really feel the pressure, such. So maybe it's more like stress. I guess when you when you. You are in, in the heat of the moment, I knew in the middle of build and inevitably there's gonna be some things that might go wrong, and that, that does does puts a strain on you know you know what it's like yourself. You, you know, you come you, you, you have to come up with solutions. You gotta you have an issue and you have to resolve it, and you have to do that very quickly, and you have to do that the best Yukon on, sometimes it may have an effect, it may have an effect on the garden, which is it's disappointing. But. I just think, well, you know it it's you doing the best you, can you euro, they're working the team and really any pressure. I feel everyone else would be in the same boat as well. So you know it it's you're not alone. You're not alone. And everyone else is around that to support you, which is which nice upping about being in each show gardens, is it, you know, you get you get to know your neighbors. Get to see how everyone else is doing. And, you know, you, you might you might walk over to your neighbor's gardener. Something going, go do this not huffing. And then they're actually there to support you. They, they completely understand that it's, it's really nice environment to be in so pressure. Yeah, I can understand how some people would probably feel really under pressure. I, I sort of try I try not to because I know that I'm gonna enjoy it. Anyway. I like. I love the Alicia God. I like being involved in all of it. So, you know, I I just think I wanna do best icon, I'm gonna enjoy it. I'm not that we have a laugh and whatever comes out today. I know that I'm gonna love honor, the AP L love. And I hope that other people will look well precious for tires. Isn't that what you say common? Yeah. It's hoping that was John see, we're going to give me. But instead, you gave me a longer when you're that's perfectly fine. That's perfectly fine for you listening at home. If you are around what they are hunting court policy, Sherry. It opened on the first I three seven I believe of July and the appeal garden will be there association of professional landscapers. If you listening on Homer's took for anything to send me an out at such show on Twitter, Facebook dot com slash that such show. Such calm for anything else you need. We'll put you directly in touch with Sherry, or, and DA PL. If you are there do drop by wish him all the best game of virtual high five on dot in mind, my huge tanks to you for listening at home. And also, our good friends at CD natural stone who have made this one possible. They made the last one possible, but that enough was not actually recorded although the interview did take place on that bombshell, he says, we leave to one side cherry Carmen, very best of look on wishes with the garden to be out. Hampton card Palestinian show on fingers crossed I shall see you there. Yes. That would be lovely. They will do upbringing. A Guinness on. Yeah, I know. No getting ensuring to Grange pullback from radio lovely. Okay. The great Cup want deep it of a long way from Hampton Court thought. Heyhoe get on the rockets yet indeed indeed. We live there. You've great begins great again to great week. Depend on your listen to this. And we shall talk to next week taker civil. Bye.

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411: Jack Dunckley

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29:40 min | 2 years ago

411: Jack Dunckley

"Hello. Hello. Jack. Speaking, Jack, Peter, Donna, ginther you. I'm widow how you doing? Sorry about that hide about three people. Find me among. The hotline. Ow. Emanating certain different tones to a gardening putt cost jock and more too late night. TV when you come in with the pizza under your oxidizer. Choke to inside. We'll hit the intro music. Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the sod so garden podcast. It's it's not murder played afternoon. It's litter episode up these such carton putt costs for you here. I've plugged showing footer Facebook dot com slash such such a combat. Thanks stay during Carty who's on sent today the wonderful ever delightful. An extremely good looking who has not paid to say Andrew Fisher Tomlin of London. College of garden signed to my left hindsight. Chuck Doug Leigh, I met in two thousand sixteen. I tried to interview you and it never happened jock. And I'm delighted two years later to to. To get to to get the discover sation which have been since we last met in person in the last two years. Yeah. Busy, really? He also projects on on one. So. Yeah. Jock. I want to bring back a little bit that Chelsea garden. If I could it was a purple garden, you're in Europe's at the Royal hospital building itself if I remember correctly just at the bucket of floral marquee, do you remember that one? Can you describe to listeners home? What was? Yeah. That was that the need to go. And I think it was is on to the tourism authority. And essentially it was it was a of. Okay. No with stunning lightning very contemporary representing how millions of millions of years ago. The came kind of came out rose out of these amazing. The Atlantic plums from from the Nida voice. So Trump compounds they one of the just as as well. I don't see how the mirror in the black. It's becoming represented the self illusion. Where you didn't really know the garden was so called reflection about five or six times they're of the pace. And then at no, I kinda lot as well. Because the whole thing would like up, and it postbox panel which would cut for fry the lines, and it was kinda slow. It was kinda slow in Chelsea I've got a million things running around in my head essentially because my research assistant to my left hand slide. Who knows you a heck of a lot better than I do has given me some pointers these. Tell them to say. Collected saying this yard youngest person to do show garden, nothing Chelsea twenty thirteen twenty years old uncle I will get you. Did I seem to remember through the food chain? When I was the moving ring shot, which is one of so young that she allowed to be on site really to build it because they health and safety thing. Help school. Yeah. Sixteen which the club does the lights helping you know a few gardens ready. I wanted. Okay. There's a couple of things I'm gonna between two Chelsea on the mall for thing. But I was born into one of children when you decided well in the case of the such earnings. It's no Carden radio show. I like sit there and say, well, you know, who who what does Peter dude, there's nowhere for me to go. There's nowhere for me to tell that story or a concern around and say, well, I think I'll start my own. We hear all of the arguments. I say arguments people saying maybe into the Twitter sphere are a veal via Presley stud young people in horticulture, and how we draw them into x. Then all of a sudden, I present the portfolio of Jack Dunkley on you say, well, okay. Well, everybody apart from him. Do you see these? Cases or or not arguments or disagreements, but these points being made and turn around and say, well, listen, this is been o'clock Trump. He's a hall thing. Just 'cause mates of what we do. But until getting through it on time. How am as the industry is how it saw it as and. Ability of that, a, you know drool something I mean, what should come to any on really? Right. If you'd say something else boils, you are listing home should it's a little bit ambience kind of say in on Jack's telephone line. I can't really do anything about because we are Indy off seasons. It's it's raining under a bit of wind under all of those things that you should maybe expect with a garden podcast. I'll bite we are nausea in. We don't exactly host gardeners. Question time. Do what really no not really? But we're still delight to have check on the line. And we hope you are too please to bear with us, Jack if you were to give a little bit of advice to generation generation that's coming up those graduates or Coleman true as GD, for example, under saying, well, we get to a show can you give a one hand for those this home to steps that you need to go through to put a show garden into auditor Malvern, a Hampton order Chelsea and be how easy or not easy is process. Is to come up with a comes in an idea, they won't come to formulate formulated design, then it's it's funding someone to work with getting actually a sponsor somebody's gonna cost so much money. So that she put them together. So you really need, you know, financial bucking the horn j I mean once once you've got that it's going to it's pretty ingredients together hard, landscaping stuff salting materials funding applauds I think what can you vision come together that make sense? But a lot of people will take the opposite lay jock. If you will allow me off this conversation, we to start well K A bumped into Jimmy owns a shop that sells for example on he's no stipulated. The brief news also turned around and said, well, I've got ten tre- hundred thirty thousand and you are now the opposite way around when you're a first time designer heading towards dot gateway entrance way into show gardening sometime. It's not ideally what you want to take. But you take it limbless. Everyone's gonna start somewhere. I know see when I did my. I go. Move on. I think I'm used to build the whole thing about seven or eight thousand pounds, which isn't a lot of money when it comes to, you know, building gardens, but you know, you have to start somewhere if it'd be ones go stop some with Disney, it, you know, you you you do have to start somewhere, and you can do about it annoys suspect from what I remember you'll gardens, you know, you catch the few plants and you use a gruesome ploughs as well. Didn't you? Yeah. That's a really good site money. She grows from twelve in line. Liner, especially coin news. If you've got time, and there's nothing putting your own blown since you're you'll garden can be very expensive. She collect com. Show gone looker real you'd be caught considerably a lot. You know? Coming especially ones in flower, and you have to grow. Kouassi more than you need. So so have you got any plans and windy there? Where? But I mean. At the moment. Maybe get back into doing and other shows that have a couple of years on I'm doing grind his arms live. I mean, that's the only show of committed violent quite wealth. Amazed at his honor is because you wanted to do something just little bit different jock on again, I should add for those home. Massage who spent time together over the last few days. Really? And part of what we were saying was again, where some designers it's horses for courses. Really? And just no nothing at all wrong. It's just the roots that some people take and so some will invariably Joe Thompson will pretty much do eighty percent a Chelsea. Whereas I tend to do things that will make me smile a little bit more, which isn't necessarily dot path that would better evolve Mike career dot tie in which Jack is not maybe. But what about now? Doing. Get along with Florence that who got their plans in their hands in terms of the house majority of who made someone to talk to in terms of gown designed something with this by surround the house and the Senate, and you tend to get a more the younger about a lot of sorts device rooftop jokes. There. You know, see salting salt in the Gulf and just really long show is attend very show. But it doesn't actually vocally building physical gold on a place turnoff and have a trade Stanford. So I like how you sort of took about these the younger clients, you're probably younger than these cons on e south. And I, you know. The question was being asked you as I whenever I meet you is light. You know, what that secret of what you do at the moment because you did stuff fourteen years old, and and you're not much older. But you've got a very successful business. And nothing you agree to good business head on you. Where'd you where did that come from? He's just come naturally or is it influenced by somebody. That's a good question. It's hard enough to when I was about seventeen I was introduced a little tardy almost on his property for a few years. I'm kind of was already bought him intended things branding, and what kind of business, and he's the main. So it's really I don't see that world. So I was well when he, you know, help to the financial camping sort of things. So, but I think I'm passionate. I'm over what I'm selling. It doesn't come across as trying to sell every that makes sense. Yeah. Passionate about helping people to build on that lovely every new client is exhausting and kind of seeing this ice when you show them the plans and like, oh, wow. Believe so much into space. Like, you know, it's really nice feeling. When caused a lot that just want to talk to you pre rooftop gardens because in this miniseries of episodes. Stop myself financial tone hosted together, it's the second or third time. It into space of two five dot rooftop gardens have been mentioned on for some I'm going to just and saying this, but it could be dot. There was great paving slabs that say put down usual pebble around the outside of it because at heights St. the trimmings onto tailend of the plaster work, which may not have been finished entirely correctly on then maybe a deck laid on top of that. And then maybe there's fake grass on top of. That is not what about Jack just to put that in context. How? To bring it to a logic level how won't guard or how different our house special conduct. Be just real flea. Wound pound are or a million what to spend are you looking on a rooftop garden and on average size of rooftop garden. Does that question make sense working on a project? I'm doing is. We're putting in some very cool lighting a lot of these routes all gums across it, called expose. This one's qualify up. Ten stories up supposing has to be very very tough these lines that I is second hard. So it's old outline nights. And it's and it's about coming. Having is visually stunning. They didn't spend any time to the coffee. You know? So when could you know, any revision systems in because, you know, really cold licensing, they can control them an apple funds. Some really cool furniture clauses. And it's just about softening spice out soared, I'm going to bring the outside. Into the air prominent check when I spoke to put our Wakefield, she'd done gays birth display Chelsea in twenty eighteen in fact, was I remember saying to put her you know, how much is this piece of furniture that sitting on. It was really nice. But I think she said one of two chair stuck to them. Jack wanted them was eighteen thousand. Well, that's exactly what I said. Chuck put in my head is also saying, well, if we put that on your roof top garden, well, all of a sudden, we're heading towards almost six figures. Here's a spectrum of what the sciences, assuming we put into sexy kinda lighten are you on a fifty grand Oprah. It's kind of a scale when you hit rooftop gardening. Just by Seoul, virtually everything Trudy. The elevators some cases are over the balcony by winch by crane. Significant cost to what you've done to have is. You don't have lots of not for example. So you know, you can work pretty much, you know, through the doing metrics. And it's pointing right. I mean, the guns I'm working over, you know, from twenty grind about forty makes them really any more than that. It's it's not really worth these these quite small spaces as well. So you're off until about two million eighteen thousand pounds of time things, but you know, and and and things that that longevity. I was that was students just two weeks ago when we were looking up nights over balcony are a a long long time ago, but the plants is still Dan the still looking good. They bring replanted and things I think there's you know, this you don't need a lot in those spaces ready to to improve things. No, absolutely. And just one feature tree. One h applaud could make a big difference to spice that. Jackknifed tend to see an Vert komo's rooftop gardens. I'll call the more rooftop spaces in this case here tonight. Appreciate that. You're saying it's exposed that. It's a small space stutters a an immediate stipulation of reduced maintenance heading towards zero maintenance when you hit design pretty for for the planting invariably what I will see not in all cases for the greater part. It's usually something along the lines of books Semper fire under might be a pine tree or tree in a nutshell. Have you gone outside of brief on a smaller percentage? Maybe where it's still oh maintenance book Peter waiting to tell you what we got to do with this one here. Jaising Yuccas in it and things like that. You know, look, structurally, peaceful, especially when you lock them up. But also, you can tolerate the cold temperatures and the wind and the thing he's just you have to be simple with them as well. Trying to step away from you know, box at the moment because of thing, but you know, you can get somebody Nasi Onuma says well that great oversight. That's very very clean going. And then just bring a bit of color, you know, round does they can look quite bleak. So especially in the winter. So he's got some North Koreans brings. Mike and Mike big difference. What's the most difficult one? You've ever worked on jock on again a back to soap by Sandra's worn on the northside of Dublin that I did. And the reason I got the job because well short nobody else would take. There was no access into the back for any machinery. So essentially everything had to be brought up by winch. And I say winch it was actually me on another man holding onto a letter open everything in the one ton bag bring once we got it up onto the balcony. We were absolutely okay. But it did restrict in some cases large trees of extreme waste because it was just physically impossible to get them up there in whatsoever. Unless we brought in a crane for thirty five grand a day, which would have put us entirely over Bush. Quite quite tricky. But especially at the thing about the elevator. For example. You know, why why won't saw as you can have the tree and things you want to do. Little hold landscaping both of them everything wants to be kind of almost built-in manufactured. I'm ready to go. So they so yes, some of the challenges, but you throw the Comey twin every everyone is unique if wants different. So just depends what you're doing already. But I would somewhat the rooftops to you know, some some. The winter. And you think on fully and you just feel like you're going nowhere. At these those you can come out quite quickly through the air. So we've got a USA getting lots of so small city gowns as well. No, you're sort of base outside of of London. It sounds me. If you're gonna go somewhere like grand designs, you you're going to pick up a lot of Ugo ins, and we will know that most new developments come with small gardens is is that something you're finding a lot of. Yeah. She goes to the Mateen childhoods through a small kind of urban it's gone gone. You know, I need fifty meters aid is one that so don't don't massive space. But again, it's it's a little about screaming screening looking windows a maximum in the space because it's the biggest air of God. But you know, they want and features they won't see narrows perhaps about going an insufferable boundaries as well. Let's say defined if you go to something that's a, you know, a like, you might go up and feel bigger trust employment and against it. So definition of a smoke garden because my gone soft that size and. But, you know, people smoke out, and I think you're like full by four or something like that. They you still do lots to work out in the in the country size while you're getting you're getting larger gardens as well. Cambridge. That's going to be doing next year moved on in reading. So that's about ninety. So that's the biggest projects. Call see spread you wings caught far. What about overseas you looking to do that in the future? Yeah. For some women do by a couple of years ago, actually, innovative, even anything I would like to more contently Mayes local era tucking the country. They're not smart. So it would make step, you know, run anymore work. Here is go. Oh, you're in an unusual situation. In contrast, most guests hooping onto such show in that you've done a certain amount of show carving already by the point two two or twenty two policies because I don't wanna make this like when we were talking to Richard. From Cuban we spent a bit of time talking about debt children's I'll buy it was one hectare. But it was also a bit overwhelming. Maybe I say maybe but on children's gardening than bless Nikolay. Jack's case it's ended up a little bit. But just speaking about rooftop gardens jock. But because you've got so much in your arsenal. Already. Is it a case of the next time? You do is show garden. It would be well, Peter. I'm going to do something that is, you know, an Elton John David Bowie. Auras is you start us to sensually because it's something that I've never done before. And I don't to be labeled as person who does just dot are you conscious dot com. You try and do something always a little bit different. Because of that. Yeah. I think I think the wrong date was slowly with that. I think it's good to be different on the thing. It's good. It's good to have to the young energy industry income push push boundaries and push. That's what it's about. Thanks, Mike, something different like something looks completely different. So it is about pushing those boundaries where you careful about that name Jackson enough. Maybe when you were fourteen years of age, not disrespectful and ninety way too. But when you got a little bit older, I say did you then start sable hold on a second. This is my career path my chosen clear possum not gonna deviate from. This all roads lead to x this is where I'm going to go on if dot vol's doing Dutch show dot career pot. And that's the road I'm taking. So when you do something different you almost need to be a little bit careful. Hopefully, when you start out doing these things, you know, everything's new to you. So everything is is different endings giants everything be learning about everything. Once you've done a few go behind you can kind of sit back of what you've done, and it's like the positives from each one that trying to build something based on that you wanted to create something that'll be the wildfire actor, I think a lot of being, you know, different design. It doesn't bizarreness necessarily Arctic gardens that you've may be turned down, Jack. That's wouldn't take on. Yeah. I've had a fear, but I just because of perhaps location or the signs of the budget. You know, I think you need to just stick to a few projects take them too much. You know, I've made that mistake taking into much work. And actually, you kinda run yourself into the ground. Really? And he get stressed and get stressed about doing what you love, and it takes the fun of it. So it was like. That makes sense. That's obsolete. It's it's easy to think that you go take over the world, isn't it? Sort of taking over the world. Slowly, it sounds like he's gonna but that's young when young rabbit in the headlights all tight your job. And you have to do it to learn which were which ones mom interested in is still growing your own plants and things do you still go back and do that. Because of your first passion came from, you know, with plants and we. Lots people that said background. So e still doing here. It was my son was still go to if you got on. But nothing anyway, a lot had pull. But that's because my time it's just from doing that too. Now, just fulltime does on what I've got to be knocking out so many designed, you know, especially with three D wrenches and CGIAR's. It's like time. I'm passionate about doing the myself, not you know, Palestinian someone else to do just because I want to be as technology improves. I want to be on top of it. I mean, it's the lighting and stuff like that. I mean, you're Z quite out with this is the is there, and you can see in the future that you you think in house design process and things that the rest of issue keeping an eye on. I think we're clients also when it's been easy so anything that can make, you know, having a golf nukem is an easy even simplicity of having an app control your reduction or you're launching from one place. The you know, they want it to be easy. And I'm sure there's gonna be things coming through the so the Mike it even better, you know, even down to the materials. You know few years we've seen a massive toll slim news because it's low ninth. He's easy to wash you know, going into it. You don't have to see that. So there will be coming through. I think you spend a lot of time going to shows Jack an old landscape show was on this year myself on through spoken, but even seeing the products to Wolcott in products, the instant install kitchens, for example, that were there do you give that a lot of time? Or is it a case of note? Peter, look, I'm too busy annot everything. Extremely good. Looking by the way, my new album azote next week, and I tunes. Obviously, it's quite good shows. 'cause you wish become you things on things for a while. But I think if you just guy tell them today so often get down to it. Future. Scape? Not onto check because we're according to the future. No, no, no. Nineteen. We won't. Noto jockey. There was a point where I didn't go to a trade show for a boat tree years. Some people say to me that it's good to just let it go liked the landscape show him because I think under the after give credit. There was a very good job. Don't bring into likes of Naomi Cohen will Williams again, some of them former guests at his show Keiko's wouldn't normally get here. Speaking booth also day did on because the talks underwear a fresh, and there were new under were different underwear to always the same voices. That are on the list dot isn't partries. Why Yeltsin I'll put my name are if I'm allowed to say a low you're name anyone that list. If that's all right. Did make me wanna go buck because keeps changing bite some of the stunts may be repeat customers for landscape show, or in this case and future skates. But we will have to remember that you know, everything's new anyway. So I mean to these places because the fuck since then I'll pick something that's interesting landscape shows good example every year. I ended up in an order into somebody new that I've met. It is what it is. And you just have to keep going along. And sometimes you read this pointing time you'll find something really new and exciting like three D printing. Give me a funny one jock. When I was Derek talking to one of the growers job Hollander. Take the bulb growers on he was going to be an I said well fully enough in the last three years, I've planted more bulbs. Don, I haven't last ten years in businesses. Don scape? And I've found a couple of things like that are starting to come back into vulgar into fashion. Good. Good question. Not recently. Don't leave me. I think for me because I'm always looking ahead. We're all looking on. On. I wouldn't. You know, having a lot of small miniature call up his back in the garden. I mean familiar that's the complete turn off on. But I'm sure at some point they'll be fashion where they come back in. But it's not something that aren't gonna use that make sense. Well, hopefully, not in full agreement. But then we also have Graham on the shoulder a couple of weeks ago on that's all he does. So I didn't agree with him on that one. So, but yeah, no I hear what. Why do I do? And it's been twenty five years since it put on conifer on headers to to get around. I'm very happy to leave at next to the Cliff Richard vinyl in the compost heap. It's a it's up slightly find air, but when but when Ali or Wildflower bulbs or wild boobs mixes, replace Wildflower mutton, then I'm quite happy to see comeback into vogue. If that makes sense. No, do some things that we we're gonna learn more about. I mean, the thing's green moved for example. You know the stunning when you first put them in. But, you know, people don't realize how much maintenance is vote them. You know, how many times you have to keep guiding and feeding them improving time to make him look stunning. And you know, if you agree more, it's like so there isn't really one. Well, let's call. That's what it is. It's called. Put it on. Are moss. Indeed, jackie. Okay. Look for the home. We are on divergent. A we're on the verge. My apologies. I've heading into another episode of grinds, Peter Andrews skiers on. I'm not saying green walls are up there. But there's a lot to be said for Clemson on. But that's also heading back to the eighties as well tanks. Tanks to Jack Dunkley who our guest today also to Adrian carteris being on sand onto fish Tomlin on the crew of gardens line who've made this impossible to you this little home windy, but I hope it's being okay? He said side garden podcast. Of. Pleasure. Thanks. Have a great weekend. I was about to say are great week. Depend on what they are this this to take. Thanks.

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February 13, 2020: The Execution of Catherine Howard

Today in True Crime

13:05 min | 1 year ago

February 13, 2020: The Execution of Catherine Howard

"If you enjoy this episode on the execution of Catherine Howard Fifth Wife of King Henry the eighth you should check out. Podcast presents defined special content related to love passion and desire for the entire month of February. You can hear dark and disturbing episodes from some of your favorite podcast shows like unsolved murders crimes of passion female criminals and many more follow park has presents free on spotify and anywhere. You listen to podcasts. Today is Thursday February Thirteenth. Twenty twenty on this day in fifteen forty two Catherine Howard. The Queen of England and wife of King Henry. The eighth was executed for adultery. According to her husband she had broken the vows of their marriage long before she ever met him. Welcome to today in true crime. Apar- cast original due to the graphic nature of today's crimes listener. Discretion is advised extreme. Caution is advised for listeners under thirteen. Today we're covering the execution of Catherine Howard Queen of England. Let's go back to London on the morning of February thirteenth. Fifteen forty two the day before. Valentine's Day Catherine Howard's Alabaster. Skin was even Paler than usual as she was led from inside the Tower of London to Tower. Green a small secluded patch of grass used for the execution of nobles away from the prying eyes of commoners and spectators. She was terrified and week. It took two guards to lead her up a small scaffold onto the platform where the executioner awaited as the charges against her. Were read aloud. The guards held Catherine up by her elbows but then Catherine collected herself instead of pleading crying. She stated that she desired. All Christian people take regard onto her worthy and just punishment. She stepped away from the guard. Supporting hands then. She knelt calmly almost elegantly and placed her neck on the chopping block. She was poised and dignified in fact she'd for this moment the night before while locked in the Tower of London she had requested a model of the chopping block. That would be used. She wanted to learn how best to place herself upon it but no amount of poise could stop the inevitable with one fell swoop. The executioner brought down his axe Catherine Howard the former queen of England and wife of Henry. The eighth was dead. It was an untimely passing. Catherine's exact age has never been confirmed. But by most accounts she was still a teenager in fifteen forty two charming beautiful and full of life unfortunately when it came to matters of infidelity no amount of charm or beauty could save a woman from the capricious vengeful wrath of Henry. The eighth in fact one of Henry's previous wives the infamous and Berlin had been beheaded after facing similar accumulations King Henry. The eighth was not wanted to take sexual dalliances lightly in other people anyway even dalliances that took place before he was in the picture Henry. The eighth was an insecure ego maniac almost thirty years older than Catherine and despite his numerous wives mistresses and extramarital affairs the fact that his new wife had engaged in relationships with other men before her marriage to Henry triggered the kings deadly vindictive temper. He banished catherine to a monastery and immediately set about convincing parliament to retroactively pass a law convicting her of adultery and treason as soon as the legislation was passed. He rounded up. The men Catherine had allegedly slept with and forced them to admit their deeds next he had one of the men decapitated. The other wasn't so lucky. Before a jeering crowd he was hanged castrated disembowelled beheaded and quartered. Then the heads of both Catherine's former lovers were placed on spikes and displayed prominently on London Bridge on February tenth. Fifteen forty two officials arrived at the monastery. Where Catherine was cloistered. They collected the young. Queen placed her on a barge and sail down the Thames toward the Tower of London as they floated past London Bridge. Catherine looked up to see the rotting heads of her former lovers. Three days later Catherine was dead coming up the misfortune and jealousy that led to the death of a queen now back to the story on February thirteenth. Fifteen forty two Catherine Howard. The Queen of England and wife of King Henry. The eighth was executed for adultery. Catherine was Henry eighths fifth wife. At the time they married she may have been as young as sixteen and was most certainly a lively. Pretty well liked courtier. He was in his fifties obese sickly and covered in poss- filled boils plus. He'd had two of his previous wives killed. It wasn't an ideal match but who after all could refuse the king he wanted Katherine at least until he found out about the freedom of her early years. Though Catherine was of noble birth she was brought up in rather peculiar circumstances she lived away from her mother and father at Chatsworth House. A large estate that functioned more like a boarding house for Noble Children. A place for their parents to send them until they became adults or got married in a sense. It was a lot like summer camp. There was little to no discipline and the boys and girls were known to spend time in each other's quarters. Doing what teenagers do. Catherine received little in the way of education at Chatsworth but her beauty energy and spirit made people take notice especially men unfortunately. Catherine's first sexual experience was not consensual around age. Twelve or thirteen. She was molested by her music teacher. Two years later she allegedly began a consensual. Sexual relationship with Francis. Durham a young man. Who also lived at Chatsworth House? Their relationship continued until Catherine's former music teacher sent the teenagers caretaker. An anonymous letter informing. Her of the affair. Catherine's behavior wasn't particularly scandalous or uncommon especially among nobles. It's almost certain that her former teacher was simply jealous. Petty and vindictive but there were consequences a short time later. Kathryn moved to a different house. Where the story goes. She began a sexual relationship with Thomas culpeper. Though it was brief they proclaimed their love for one. Another and parted on good terms. When Catherine was called to court and of cleaves the fourth wife of King Henry. The eighth wanted the pretty girl to join her retinue but quickly. King Henry the AIDS also took notice of Catherine Howard. He began showering her with extravagant clothes and jewellery and despite his rapidly deteriorating health and their significant age gap he began to court her though he was still married to Anne of cleves Henry. The eighth wasn't one to let a marriage stand in his way he had his current union annulled gave an a big state and a respectable allowance and then took Catherine as his new wife. Still despite an inauspicious beginning for a short time their marriage was a happy one. Catherine proved a capable popular queen and her youth and vigor boosted the kings spirits and health. But then her luck ran out. After learning of her previous relationships king. Henry forced parliament to pass a law stating that an unchaste woman. Marrying the king should be guilty of high treason. The proposed law also stated that any woman who presumed to marry the king. Without admitting she'd been unchaste would be put to death. The Act was passed on January sixteenth. Fifteen forty two. Catherine Howard was convicted retroactively. When offered the chance she didn't even bother to defend herself before parliament. She knew she'd never convinced the king's men to turn against their master. She did however make one effort to save herself when Catherine was arrested at Hampton Court Palace. Before she was exiled to the monastery she broke free of the king's guards and ran down the hall toward the doors of the chapel. Where she believed Henry was praying. There she screamed in vain at the top of her lungs until she was seized. Once more by the guards today legend has it that her ghost can still be seen running and screaming down that very same hallway if you enjoyed this episode checkout our episode of haunted places on the Tower of London. Thanks for listening today in true crime. I'm Vanessa Richardson today. In true crime is a podcast original. You can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other podcast originals for free on spotify not only to spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy. All of your favorite podcast originals. Like today in true crime for free from your phone. Desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on spotify. Just open the APP and type today in true crime in the search bar at podcast. Grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network? We back with a brand new episode tomorrow in True Crime. Today in true crime was created by Max Cutler and his apar- cast studios original. It is executive produced by Max Cutler. Sound design by Kerry Murphy With Production Assistance by Ron Shapiro Carly Madden and Freddie Beckley. This episode of today in true crime was written by Tony Goodman with writing assistance by Abigail Cannon. I'm Vanessa Richardson.

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Quizbeard #20

Quizbeard weekly trivia quiz

17:47 min | 11 months ago

Quizbeard #20

"The USA General Knowledge False, the true beer slogans and misspelled movies these the five topics of inquisition. Today's quiz hoisted black spots in the F. A. Quiz bed number twenty. Hello welcome again to quiz bed. If you've played before, then you'll know I'm about to us. Twenty five Trivia questions themed of a five subject rounds. You can own a point for every question you get right, but you can also play a black spot card on any one round, which doubles your score correctly answered questions there. If you're going to play, a black spoke, please try to do so before the first question in your chosen round has been asked, so we have to go on. Is The round topic as a guide? Everything's explained to the website which can be found at quiz. BEAR DOT COM, including an archive of all previous quizzes links to social media, contact information, and of course the quiz kids where you can print out, blend Kansas sheets and black spot cards for your own use. If, he lights nominate a subject to be covered in the quiz. Please get in touch and I'll give you a mention on the next episode, and if you'd like to leave a review apple podcasts that would really help. More people find quiz bed, and also support links are available on the website as well. Before. We start a quick reminder of today's rounds round. One is the USA round to is General Knowledge Round three is false to true round four is beer slogans around five is misspelled movies to have a think about which one you fancy, a chance on your black spots and will make us though. Round one is the USA. One. which four presidents are carved into the granite face of Mount Rushmore in South Dakota. Number two. which founding father of the United States has a musical dedicated to his life written by lin-manuel Miranda's and released in two thousand fifteen. Number three. which state most recently joined the Union? And before. How many colonies declared independence from the British in seventeen seventy six? Number five. which was the first successful colony to be established in America? Was it a Jamestown. Be Plymouth Colony? We'll see Massachusetts Bay colony. Row To. The Mix. which English and that's Amiss. That strana mathematician and architect designed both the South Front of Hampton Court Palace and some Paul's Cathedral in London. Number seven. which renowned comedic actor who died in twenty, fourteen played the role of mock the Avian Malkin Mindy. Number Eight. which nine thousand nine hundred five action, TV series featured an ex-motorcycle motorcycle cop injured in the line of duty. Now working is a police troubleshooter and riding all terrain attack motorcycle designed to urban crime, capable of incredible speeds up to three hundred miles an hour and with immense firepower. Benign. which snooker player from Liverpool became only the third to win? Both the World Snooker Championship and the UK Championship in the same calendar year before becoming a regular team captain on the BBC TV Quiz Show, a question of sport. And What links the previous answers in this round? Round three false to true. For each question in this round I'm going to give you a sentence that is factually incorrect, but can be corrected by changing single word in the sentence. I'd like you to identify the incorrect word and the word that replaces it to correct the centers for example if I said, the sun is a natural satellite that orbits the Earth. You would replace the woods, son with moon to school the points. And I'll read each one twice to give you a sporting chance. Number, Eleven In the nineteen thousand nine comedy film honey I shrunk the kids. Ashley Plays Wayne Linski the inventor who accidentally miniaturize this is children. In nine in one, thousand, nine hundred and nine comedy film honey I shrunk the kids Rick Asleep Plays Wayne Selling ski the inventor who accidentally miniaturize his children. Twelve. Jupiter's largest moon Ganymede is eight percent bigger than the planet Venus. Jupiter's largest moon Ganymede is eight percent bigger than the planet, Venus. Number Thirteen. Hostage Negotiator Terry Woken was himself taken prisoner in Lebanon and nineteen eighty-seven, remaining in captivity for the following full years. Hostage Negotiator Terri Rogan was himself. Taken prisoner in Lebanon in nineteen, Eighty, seven, remaining in captivity for the following four years. Number Fourteen. In geometry and I saw Sally Triangle is one in which all three sides are equal in length, and whose internal angles. Sexy degrees. In geometry and I saw, Sali's triangle is one in which all three sides are equal in length, and his internal angles are each sixty degrees. And Number Fifteen. The Amazon warehouse is so big that if it were a country, it will be the ninth biggest in the world. The warehouse is so big that if it were a country, it will be the ninth biggest in the world. Round four is big slogans we have to do here is identify the brand of beer from the advertising slogan used. Number, sixteen! Probably the best lager in the world. Seventeen! Reassuringly expensive! Number. refreshes the parts of the biggest cattle reach. The mid nineteen. Good, things come to those who wait. Number Twenty. He thinks astray. Leeann drinks straighten. Round five is misspelled movies. In this round of taking the titles of famous films and transform them by changing one single letter. For each question I'll give you a brief synopsis of the now transformed film I'd like you to give me the title not of the original movie, but of the altered one for example. If I gave the synopsis? Archaeologist Indiana Jones travels to Egypt in search of his missing upper limb. Then, the original movie title would be raiders of the lost Ark but I'd swapped K. in arc for an m, so it expect the altered dancer Raiders of the lost arm. Number Twenty one. Robert Deniro leads a group of friends on one last search for a good pub before being shipped down to the horrors of the Vietnam War. The twenty two. Hugh Grant's London Selah falls in love with visiting movie starlet, only to have his efforts thwarted by Satan, his demonic housemate, who's bumbling escapade threatened to all. Number twenty three. With the aid of his partner in Crime La Gangsta Vincent, Vega must overcome his nervous, swallowing reflex and track down his bosses missing briefcase. Number twenty four P-. A great white shark terrorizes beachgoers by turning the waters. Read with strawberry and Raspberry conserves. Twenty five. Make Ryan plays at college graduate who shares a contentious car ride from Chicago to New York with the wars of love, during which they argue about whether men and women can ever happen sonic relationships. Okay the answers to today's quiz them. Roundworm was the USA. Number One. The four presidents etched into Mount Rushmore a George. Washington Thomas Jefferson Theodore Roosevelt's and Abraham Lincoln. Two the founding father that has a musical dedicated to his life is Alexander Hamilton? Number three, the state than most recently joined. The Union was Hawaii. Number before it was thirteen colonies that declared independence in seventeen, seventy six. Number five the first accessible college to be established in America was a Jamestown. Round two was the general knowledge round. The mistakes the English anatomist astronomer mathematician enough the designed the South front of Hampton Court and also some Paul's Cathedral is six Christopher Wren. The seven, it was Robin Williams that played Mork in more committee. Number Eight, the nine thousand eight five TV show up out. police troubleshooter writing and all terrain motorcycle was called straightalk. The nine! The SNOOKA plant was John Parrott? And said number ten. The link between all the answers is that they all birds Parrot Hawk Robin and Ram. Route! Three was the false to true round so I gave you a sentence that was factually incorrect, but could be corrected by changing a single words. I wanted you to identify incorrect word, and the word replaces it in the sentence to create it. Number eleven in the nineteen eighty nine comedy film. Honey I shrunk the kids. It wasn't Rick Esley that played Wayne's Linski. It was Rick Moranis changed. The name asleep for Moranis for a correct answer. Number twelve duped has largest moon Ganymede is eight percent bigger than the planet mercury, not the planet Venus. Thirteen. It wasn't Terri Rogan it was Terry Waite who is taken prisoner in Lebanon in nine, hundred, eighty seven. The fourteen in geometry, it's not an Isosceles triangle that has these features. It's an equilateral triangle. And finally number fifteen. The Amazon rainforest is so big that if it were a country, it would be the biggest in the world. Not the Amazon warehouse think it's not too far off maybe eleven. Brown four, the beer slogans round. Number Sixteen probably. The best lager in the world was caused. Number seventeen reassuringly expensive is Stella Artois. Embracing refreshes the bears. The pulse of the beer's cannot reach was Heineken the between nineteen. Good things come to those who wait Guinness. Number Twenty. He thinks Australian drinks Australian is the slogan for Foster's. Round Five, the misspelled movies round, so I changed one letter in the titles of five different movies, and gave you synopsis based on the new title and I wanted the new title. The transform title of the original movie. Number, twenty one the rubber. Deniro leads a group of Friends of one less search for a good pub before being shipped out to the horrors of the Vietnam War. The original title was the deer hunter, and it was changed to the beer and. Twenty two hugh grant's London bookseller falls in love with a visiting movie. STARLETS, only tabbies efforts toward it by Satan. His demonic housemate, who's bumbling escapades threatened down the mall. Is Notting Hell. Number twenty three with the aid of his partner in Crime La Gangster Vinson. must overcome his nervous, swallowing reflex and track down his bosses missing briefcase his goal fiction. And Number Twenty Four. A great white shark terrorizes beach goes by turning the waters with strawberry and raspberry conserves is simply jams. Number Twenty. Five. Meg Ryan plays a college graduate shares. It contentious car ride from Chicago to New York with walls of love. During which they argue about whether men and women can have relationships is. When Harry met Sally. Well. That's it for another quiz. Thanks for joining today, and if you are listening in the US happy, fourth of July weekend to you and yours. Please remember to get in touch. If you'd like to suggest around glad, we tried to date, but either way I'll be back next time twenty five more questions until then take care and good.

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October 22: The map is all over the map

As It Happens from CBC Radio

49:40 min | 1 year ago

October 22: The map is all over the map

"You Welcome to party lines this is the podcast where we're going to try and get you up to speed on what's happening for the federal election a new episode every Thursday Hey I'm Rosemarie Barton and I love politics you don't possibly mean that elevated mood tonight tweet about politics but I don't want to this is a CBC podcast. Hello I'm Carol off Hello I'm the Nabet Duncan this is as it happens the podcast he's when I spoke to Justin Trudeau last night I urged him to take notice of the significant and troubling results and more words and platitudes will not cut it Russian tonight he must be willing to change course to stop his attacks on the energy sector and to recognize when Western candidate succeeds all of Canada succeeds and to the in the West I hear your frustration and your anger that was Conservative leader Andrew Scheer in Regina today and the frustration with the Liberals isn't all in the Azero liberal MP's and a frustrated former western MP says that shows it's time for those two provinces to go solo politics between the two parties on Pipelines F- rock of ages while visiting a village church in England our guest discovers a fancy cloth draped on the APP is all over the map Canadian voters give the Liberal Party a minority government for to look across the country shows distressing partisan division makes strange bedfellows things were nasty between the Conservatives and liberals during the campaign but a liberal MP says he sees a possible collaboration active cuts and austerity and they voted in favor of progressive agenda and strong action on climate change John Lighthouse away from the brink as it happens the Tuesday edition radio that hopes they didn't go off the beacon track coast to coast tonight Canadians rejected division negatively they were that was gesture judo doing his best to sound optimistic at his victory party last night but Canadian voters have reduced the prime minister and his liberals to a minority turn the turns out to be a four hundred year old dress it was once draped on the body of Queen Elizabeth I and many hands make light party's disappointing showing the opposition leader will be a powerful counter to Justin Trudeau the Voice of Region Alberta Answers Gotcha one elected exactly ask Lisa rate was the conservative deputy leader before this campaign but last night she lost in her Ontario riding of Milton to the liberals giant killer Olympic past in parliament that leaves them looking for opposition support before any of their legislation can take flight and this morning in Regina Conservative leader Andrew Scheer promised his supporters that he gained across the country Trudeau and the liberals lost he lost seats in every region and Canadians have put his government on notice Canadians woke up this morning to a more me waiting to clip Mr Trudeau's wings Canadians have pass judgment on Justin Trudeau on his four years failures scandals and mismanagement and just as house work it was in danger of toppling into the sea because of erosion so today in Denmark a dedicated team moved an entire seven hundred alert atom Vancouver Dan we release rate in Milton Ms rate what happened last night well clearly the liberals and it wasn't a check mate but Andrew Scheer is promising to keep the prime minister in check outgoing conservative MP Lisa Rave says that despite yeah certainly got a message that Canadians were not going to give them an automatic majority and the Conservatives did better than they did in two thousand and fifteen so on the rise and they are on the fall and it's going to be an important parliament for the next couple of years what happened to you well you know I'm grateful that I made it through that added country the separatist bloc of KWA is back on the rise in Alberta and have completely rejected Trudeau's policy and we we ran a great campaign I'm so grateful to all my volunteers and we put the effort in but you know the voter always gets it right and they chose to go in the direction with Mr Two thousand and fifteen I mean I was the lone holdout for that giant redway that came through the GTE and as a result I was able to represent they'll Tony's for another four years and gouvernance and I all I can do thank them for the best eleven years that I've been able to experience we won't be seeing you in the House of Commons but last night we heard Andrew Scheer sending a message to Mr Trudeau that he says when the Liberal government falls conservatives will be ready to win Etienne's set out to give somebody a minority whether it was us or the liberals they clearly had decided that nobody was going to have a majority in the does that mean that we'll be seeing a lot of the bitter partisanship that marked this campaign is that going to continue in the future for all of us I believe that can country and that they wanted to see us work together and I think every party every single one of the parties now if I could say speaking from the outside are going to have to have that in the back of their mind as they plot their course because Canadians are watching and they wanna see people to work with one another but they also want to see the party's uphold the values that they voted for so I think you know our our leader share set the course very well last night when he said that we'll be ready and we're going to hold to account and we'll have to see what the liberals BP decide how they're going to approach parliament coming up we've seen in that election sixty five percent of Canadians voted for parties on the left or the central left and one thing in common among them is that they all had they're very passionate about fighting climate change one party did not have a platform that was passionate about the fighting climate change and that was the conservative do you think that that hurt you you know it's interesting because if you look at the liberal platform our platform the biggest difference was of course the carbon axe but there are some similarities in their we both talked about the home renovation tax credit and we both talked about using technology and investment and technology and we've all talked about the importance of sending our product around the world so there's a lot of similarities carbon-tax was the big divider of course we still don't believe that it was something that's going to help reduce emission been more on top of the climate change file than more passionate more determined about it you might have one last night a lot of what if and I know that there's going to be smart folks and Ontario looking at all of the individual ridings to see what would have changed vote or if you could have changed the vote so it's hard is but nonetheless we're going to go forward in a minority parliament and deal with the issues that are are brought to the forest they come up from the government you think had you done more how'd you how'd you savoring now what would have made the difference but I know that going forward we're going to try to find those things that will make the difference in the next election do you think people did not vote I think talking to Canadians and grassroots I is an important part of understanding what they're looking for from government errative because the platform was as Chris Sally the columnist was saying today that it was a dumb pandering unambitious mess that wreaked a focus group or a potential government and I think that is exactly the way that you should move forward when we did our policy platform we developed a very strong framework and reached out to every constituency and we reached out to every NPS candidate to put forth their ideas and what we put forward wasn't amalgamation of it all we'll have have to take a look at whether or not it resonated with certain parts of the country but we also won more seats than we did last time so certainly did resonate and the Liberals they're hell to minority anything you see you can point to you say you should do differently or do you think that what you did was the right campaign was right platform in my local campaign we did every thing that we were asked to do my team work so hard they did a great job and I was proud to run on the policies that we ran on and I enjoyed explaining them and where the party goes from here without you you you have been perceived by many as well as the deputy leader of the party but you for for many concern the vendor share would never reopen the abortion debate because quote you wouldn't let that happen so who plays that role now without you well I may not be allowed not count that's what he was expected and that's what we anticipate it he also held Mr Trudeau to a minority and we also now have far more maneuverability they lost seats every party is gonNA learn from where they lost I'm sure the liberals are going through this now is and EP and you WanNa make for a better election next time wt you were the the progressive face of the party you were the one who would be in the pride parade when Andrew Cher and others would not you're the one who would speak up for for the social agenda you were the one that we interviewed you just Some weeks ago you said that the reason why you knew the conservative government on committees to allow us to ask questions and get answers that we were unable to get the four because of the majority control of committees so I think that mission instability of the Prime Minister and the Liberal Party is to make this parliament work it is in parliament but I'm still a card carrying conservative and I'm GonNa be working within the grassroots that I have here in Milton Ontario and I will be making and there's a law saying that mandates are suppose to last four years and should do what it takes Inca back last and it's GonNa be up to other members of parliament to determine exactly what they're going to bring to the House of Commons from their community and I'm sure that there's going to be people that we don't the Liberals and that's where we reached Misrey and we've got more on Lisa rate in the election results on our website just go to CBC DOT CA SLASH AI H in my concerns known in my voice known if I see anything that's happening that I'm not in agreement with just like every other conservative can across the country and I think that with an overhaul accomplished and who would have thought in two thousand and fifteen that they wouldn't have had an automatic eight years we will leave it there and I suspect we'll be speaking again in twenty members that Andrew has to work with it's going to be fantastic Michelle rental candice Bergen Erin O'Toole I can I can name them all they're gonNA do a fantastic job and in complete respect of the decisions of the Canadians and Quebecers to make this work but if e Francois Blanchette is going to get it and that'd be great thanks Carol to day bye-bye Lisa rate is the former conservative deputy leader and Milton MP last night she lost her Ontario ridings last parliament it was his job to keep legislation moving as government whip we reach Mark Holland in Ajax Ontario Mr Hall and how difficult will it be wish then Mark Holland and his colleagues are going to have their work cut out for them. Mr Holland is the newly re-elected MP for the Toronto Area Riding of Ajax and in the repeated to the Liberals winning just a minority government but block BECUA- leader Francois Blanchette says he's eager to see the liberals make that status work their response people who voted for the Bloc Quebecois in in large part I it certainly my belief looking at the way the numbers of moved are interested in Make this parliament work every parliament is a challenge you know this the nature of our democratic system trying to balance all the interests across the country three different parties with different interests and you're trying to cooperate with them in order to not have the government fall is not the same thing as having different interests and different part of the country out of confederation that breaking up the country essentially so how closely will you cooperate the Bloc Quebecois I look at it this way the have to balance the different interests of the country you have to find a way to compromise to make things work into allow everybody to move ahead together in a minority government advancing Quebec in the interests of Quebec and Quebecers I don't necessarily think the people that voted for them were supportive of the idea of separating from the country those are two very different things Sonian and trying to sell the on what our vision was they didn't accept it and the voter always gets it right to stay on your role and the the last night was a big one for the block Becua- They went from winning a mere ten seats in the twenty five federal election to thirty two this time around and that shift undefined common ground and that's what the people who elected US expect us to do is you're going to have to work cooperatively with these other parties and so you got one is in there that's dedicated to taking cooperation is just more evident but what's the sticking point here is the same as all but really when you have two different parties minority so what does that mean it's my fourth minority op so you don't have gone through this a number of times but I think the challenge is well they're more intense or the same that you have their responsibility not ours not the responsibility of the Arctic conservative Mr to do as duty sure or housing there's lots of things that that we have in common and can work on together that the work that we have to do is to move the country forward continue to work in that direction but you have no seats now in Alberta or Scotch when the liberals don't so what obligations do you feel you have to the concerns of those provinces against pipelines so is the Trans Mountain pipeline deal dead look there we've said from the very beginning that it's essential that we find a way to get join it to work on issues like the environment and if people are going to play games or try to play off other agendas that they weren't elected to to proceed with oil to new markets right now over ninety nine percent of our oil I'm goes to the United States we're not getting the best prices that we can get for it and we need to be able to diversify is to be found in all of these issues now in terms of the environment we've altered just clarify something very important you just said so so there's a strong possibility that when it comes to building pipelines or doing what you want to do with Albert and Scotch when that you'll be working with the conservatives when when you need them today today we're going to say loud integrate member-parliament do you think do share should step down no not at all I think he added to the the country isn't it so what what will stick together I think we'll stick together is the will of Canadians there's a lot of things whether or not it's the environment or it's investing infrastructure I have the same obligation to the concerns of the people in Alberta as I do people in my riding who didn't vote for me and and so I think that the the idea that we didn't get seats in a particular place that somehow we shouldn't care about that place misses the point of the drives office which is to make this country a better place in order to get some kind of legislation or some movement on something even though the Conservatives say they're dedicated to bringing down your government so we you think you have room in having to find ways of of discussing how to move the country forward so he's saying you would you would collaborate with the Conservatives where you needed them to Wednesday you probably will be working to see in this minority government is that we have to work with different people on different issues and that that there is there is balanced that I can do that at their peril you've got a great big honking issue don't you you got pipelines that are going to be quite politicized here the DP the Greens the block all it gets and I think that that Canadians feel very strongly about The need to do that while at the same time take care of the environment and certainly we're going do the job and I think anybody who's fixated on electoral politics instead of delivering results for the constituents that elected him is going to have a very hard time in the next election I need to work with an opposition that is dead set against pipeline so when crucial position of the Conservative Party quietly right but the others l. where you're you're liberals and Conservatives will work together in order to get pipeline spilt I can see a scenario where we can work with of the that's Mark Holland who was re elected as the liberal MP for the Toronto Area Riding of Ajax yesterday you stay tuned for more election coverage coming up including an interview. Yeah sure I mean I don't see what the problem is right working together I mean that's that's what people expect us to do I I think where we can find common cause where we can find a way to negotiate room to to collaborate with the Conservatives any party that says that their objective day after an election is to cause another election is absurdity look we just spent more than six months every single day doing a job application hundred times a day and people now expect us to to advance the interests of the nation together We should embrace that just one final question we saw when Stephen Harper had a minority he made it work because the opposition couldn't afford to fight another election but then when he finally faced a non-confidence vote he used the powers of prorogation is that when Queen Elizabeth the first died she reportedly owned nearly two thousand dresses four centuries later the only parts of her wardrobe thought word of the the the oil sands product to market do I guess all oil or fossil fuels from that province want to get them to market with the pipeline you with former Conservative Party and PJ Hill who's calling for Alberta's independence and Carol Conversation with the First Green Party M P elected outside BC So I you know we're going to do is provide a progressive agenda to move the country ahead to help those who are in the middle class to help lift those who are trying to to green the MVP and the Conservatives on an issue by issue basis and and I think that's what a minority government is about and I think that's what people expect from us a yes royal palaces we reached her in London very when did you first see this dress that you believe belong to Queen Elizabeth I you know I I I other than a few hours of sleep I'm there's not a lot of time that has passed since the last election what you can expect is that that we're all going to be working together but it wasn't address was it no that's right it's actually an Osa cloth so it's a t shaped panel that had been used by family have survived were some gloves and riding boots but last week a special exhibit opened at Hampton Court Palace called the loss dress of Elizabeth the first unaggressive agenda to move Canadians forward to help the middle class to help industry and we're going to invite other parties to work with us to accomplish that and if other parties this object just online I thought well that looks a bit intriguing so I drove to this tiny church in rural Hertfordshire to go and visit I Larry Lynn found that loss dress but spoiler alert it wasn't address when she discovered it Miss Lynne is the collection's curator of charity called historic Introduce good on behalf of the citizens who elected us in those who didn't did you say you have an obligation you you you want to help to get the product of the focused on their their electoral calculations or on on agendas that they were not voted for then that's something they're going to have to answer for take that as a yes incredible value and rarity at what point looking at this did you think this might be Queen Elizabeth's dress immediately For Lots of reasons the areo I mean one of the things I know about now this being my fourth minority government is that clairvoyance I'm blessed with Mr Hallam thank you thank you can get it wherever you get your podcast from I don't know how we're going to end it out can we literally drop Mike well I I saw it about four years ago now I was researching my book to you to fashion and I came across an image of is an also closed for several centuries but they were lots of clues about it that immediately told me that it used to be something else who is reserved for the immediate members of the Royal Family and actually this particular church was the birthplace and very beloved family home of one blind me gift of her own clothing we know that Blanche had great affection for her village she gave them lots of charitable donations so all of this seemed to be pointing list thing is that I supported evidence of pattern cutting which means evidence that in fact used to be addressed but the second thing was that the embroiled we on it which is beautiful flowers and vegetation. I was as a professional standard that I hadn't ever seen before dating to around the fifty nine well at the time that this stress dates from Elizabeth was nearing seventy years old and in fact she got it very jealously he's sick of sixteen hundred in Silken silver and goals and the real clinch was that it was embroidered on cloth silver and shoot at times cloth not to incur the wrath of the rather sort of notoriously mercurial queen so it's very unlikely that Elizabeth would have granted permission for anybody when she died the infantry of her wardrobe listed two thousand items of the most sumptuous luxurious stresses but none of them were known to have survived all the finest fabrics and dresses for herself she didn't particularly like having other women it court because she wanted the attention of her male courtiers for her else most of the other women who were allowed to be there were quite elderly ladies all were women who express told to dress down Josh Parry and Blanche Parry was the first lady of the bedchamber to Elizabeth I and we know that Elizabeth had great affection for her and she gave him thing that you could see the liberals doing I look what I envisioned for this parliament is it we we as Liberal Party is going to put forward in one very exciting direction but why isn't it possible that the dress belong to someone else in the court why why specifically do you think Elizabeth I was wearing it nice to one something like it we know in our research the amount of silver in this object with worth as much as a Cheetah mansion so we really are looking at a real Russia oh my gosh so this is one dress of her finger hundreds and thousands in her wardrobe was worth the price of a tutor mention yes absolutely so we know I'm fine with that I that I felt but but you can interpret it I mean look I mean projecting a hypothetical into the future about an imaginary city Safai reading makes a unique piece you figure it came to be in this church and Saint Faiths because of Blondes Perry so why did they turned it into an altar cloth it's not least because the great storehouse of the Royal Wardrobe was Very famously burns during the great fire of London in sixteen sixty six so the fact that each last night Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he wants to govern for all Canadians but not all Canadians want to be governed by him or the Liberal Party blue in his victories in court palace in London and if you want to see photos of the draft you can go to our website go to CBC dot Ca Slash Aih A thousand hours of conservation and research so it was in a fairly good state considering age but it had to sort of thank you so much bye i Larry Lynn is the collection curator of a charity called historic Royal Palaces we reached her at hand a little bit more about it and we found incredibly tantalizing evidence of global trade for example some of the Don I in the threat was actually next king but the stitching was done with filaments thread which is roughly the same dimensions as a human hair on with a surgical needles so you can it actually I can even after four years I can stand there and look at it and see a new detail admire the artistry all over again it somebody referred to it as Cheetah Hive is which is not exactly glamorous but most of the court would be wearing black velvet so now it's hanging in Hampton Court Palace how does it look do you know what it looks better than I've ever seen it so it's in a case with case lights value so to turn it into an ulcer cloth it was their way of venerating really to make it a sacred object into value it and now you have restored because it did take work even though it was not bad condition what did it take to actually bring it to the state that it's now that's on display so it's underground can coach Neil read so this was fantastic evidence of luxury commodities being traded across the Atlantic for the first time what was it like for a backing of canvas which was starting to pull and tear at the silk so we removed the canvas kiffiny stitched onto a new special aspirin premier Scott most spoke today his frustration was palpable. He says it's time for a new deal with the federal government and Scotch you and we had to be wearing this kind of fantastically embroidered cloths fills for you to be no doubtedly looking at the Queen there is a great story and I appreciate you telling it to us thank you there's are extremely frustrated I think that you're gonNA see a dramatic increase in in western alien nation and even beyond that people I think for all of us involved as a real labor of love and a real privilege because the artistry of the embroidery is such that you never tire of looking at rather be propped up by a party that that does not want to expand the the mining sector the agricultural sector the energy sector in this province. That's exactly what I'm saying I'm saying that this is illegitimate government it was elected by Ontario so Ontarians decided to re elect Mr or be propped up by a party that ultimately does not want to be part of this nation listen there is frustration here in the provinces there's a fire burning here in the Exit Jay Hill is a big supporter he served as an MP and Ottawa for seventeen years with the Reform Party and later Steven Harper's conservatives he pulled over to talk to us fourteen and fourteen seats that were won by the Conservative Party we have no representation in this minority liberal government the government that has a no clear mandate a government that will address up despite his clear disdain for western Canada and for our resource industries and we just simply cannot take it anymore is people those are doing the restoration to handle something that was not just so old but and so beautiful but that had been warned by Elizabeth I we needed was a government that would actually enforce the law and get the damn pipeline built and he has no grasp of the seriousness of the now if you thought was frustrated by last night's results try going

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610 London Layover; Tower of London; Day Trips

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610 London Layover; Tower of London; Day Trips

"When your workplace is nearly a thousand years old, there's bound to be some interesting legends behind the job. You want such legend tells us that should've evens leave the Tab London will crumble the dust. Great Harm will befall our kingdom in just a bit. Christopher escape tells us what it's like to be the Royal Raven. Master, at the Tower of London. There's a lot to see on any number of day trips from London as well. Many of our guests to they had to do an organized trip from London. But no, you don't use the public transport. You can visit stonehenge the real doubt Naby and where the World War Two codebreakers worked in secret at Bletchley Park and were it not for them. It's estimated. The wool might have lasted for more than four years longer. Even if you only have a layover will help you get into town from Heathrow or Gatwick. If you wanted to go to Buckingham Palace or Westminster that's even closer get in and out of London and meet the Raven master in the hour ahead, it's travel with Rick, steves. London tour guides recommend must see day-trips from their busy city and we'll meet the Yeoman warder who tends to the Ravens at the Tower of London a job that said the be indispensable for the safety of the Kingdom. That's just ahead on today's travel with Rick Steves. This year's Corona virus kept the tower and many other London sites closed for months and it's kept us American travelers at home. The day will come when we can safely travel to London again. So let's at least set our sights for an hour on the travels. We can to enjoy when we can safely return to our favorite destinations once again. If you're planning a trip to Europe, you may have noticed that a lot of flights in the United States connect through London through. Heathrow airport, and sometimes you're left with an awfully long layover instead of wasting hours hanging out at the airport. Why not head into Lemon for the day we've invited. London guides, Steven Beck and Debra to join us and share their tips about getting into the city to make a damn it, and then getting back to the airport in time for your flight. Stephen, Deborah. Thanks for joining us here in our studio. So. Is it realistic to have a long layover? Let's see. You got a eight hour layover in Heathrow Deborah. Is it realistic to actually check your bag and go into town? Very easy. It's fifty minutes on the P- me underground. To get into central London and it's soon. You've got the the express. Heathrow express goes into. Paddington. Depending. And from there you've got the time outs, fifteen minutes, every fifteen minutes. So four times in our and you're downtown and less than half an hour. And, and when you can go into town, you can go out back the same way and just as reliable convenient. Yes. So Stephen most people would go through Heathrow, but it's also conceivable. You could land in Gatwick, London's second airport and yet because a good connection into London, a similar thing, the Gabrielle Express and that heads into Victoria in some ways if it depends where you want to be in London, but if you wanted to go to Buckingham Palace or Westminster that's even closer. So it takes thirty minutes. Okay. On the fast train and Deborah. No, we were discussing about leaving luggage. And building some time for perhaps maybe a delay. But you know an hour and a half, maybe a couple of hours. If it's got workings, if you allow that on either side and you've got eight hours. Yeah, you could afford in. London. When when you are going back to the airport as an American, especially, you should give a little extra time. I. Know The from the Airports in Europe, you have to go through security hoops to fly to the United States. Yes. Yes. You have to allow time also to get into, there's Gatwick Express but southern rail. One of the other train companies, they run a service into Victoria, which is about every thirty minutes. It's a lot cheaper than the guy he expressing takes about the same time. Okay. So there are ways to get quickly efficiently and economically into London a lot of people are stressed out by Heathrow because it is five terminals I. think generally when you go to and from the United States, use terminal five, is that right? Depending on the airline? Terminal to terminal five or. Four. Okay. So I've been trying from seminal three with virgin in Delta. Okay. If you're flying in and out of different terminals, how tough is it to connect the terminal? It's very easy. Follow the signs. It's really well signposted what about the practicality of your bags if you have a chance to check your bags through, that's the best thing. But if you're picking up your bag, is there a way to lock it up or do you check it onto the flight You can't even check on that early to a flat out. I, don't think they have those baggage storage facilities Bernardo. We're thinking about this and talk about this. Heathrow, at sint pancras up Paddington. South. At. The airport. Don't take it into town. Yes. Yes. Yes. You can pre book as well. Online. You can pre book to leave your luggage. Should save time good tip business travel Steve's or talking with Debra and Steven Beck. We're talking about what to do with a long layover in London. Now, let's say you get in and out and you factor that time you got five or six hours in London. You could go into London One thing to remember is London is very congested. So it takes longer to get around and in conventional traffic you know with the taxi or a bus, but London is also a great walking city. So I, would you consider going to one area and walking around Debra if you had five or six hours, your guide and you're gonNA show somebody around. What would you cover? I mean I know it's ridiculous to see less than five hours, but you got five hours. You've never been to, London. You may never be there again, what would you do? Well, it does make a difference whether somebody's being not being and also tired they are I think I would bear in mind just? Tired. And they've never been there before and they may never be there again. I think I would probably take get them to Victoria. And from Victoria, I would go down to Westminster. Abbey. But I. Think I'd probably go on a double decker bus hub, I probably wouldn't walk I. On a double decker bus free to a double decker bus. Tired the end. That's right, and they're they're everywhere. There's even companies. You spend thirty dollars and use it on the top deck. The weather's good and you sit there and you hear the story and you look at everything. Yes, you exactly very nice. You can even do just get an oyster at the airport and you can get an oyster card online before you travel as well. If you know what your plans are and annoys card is is a pass for the subways. For Public Transport you could even just get an ordinary boss if you wanted to. Get on one of the Hall Papa. Hop on all of us I would say you're frantic to have a good time you're overwhelmed. You're tired just hop on a double decker bus. And relax you're going to be stuck in traffic, but you're looking at all these great sites. Had exhausted if you go walking exhausted. Okay. Stephen. Let's say we have a person with a little more energy and they do want to walk. You can start anywhere in town and you got three or four hours to walk around where would you walk? Well, I, say, Denver's talk about stuff singing Victoria. I. Think that's eminently sensible. You can then get to Buckingham Palace quite easily walk up to Buckingham Palace. Enjoy. Look look at Buckingham Palace. It depends. You might even be there for going change. You never know it's it's every day in summer, not every day in the in the off season. You could then walk through sin. James's Park a lovely park to Westminster Abbey and you could perhaps have a look round the church or head past the cabinet war rooms to white hold Downing Street to Trafalgar Square famous places and they're all I can just as you say that I can I can see each one from the last. It's very reasonable work. What you see when you walk up Whitehall Deborah and then you land in Trafalgar, square, talk us through that on the way out You'd see the senator. Where the commemorations take place for the four in the first and second world. Orioles. Memorial mcvay, you've got government buildings, how you got to the Treasury building. You've course downing how downing. Street. We hear about the number out of your White House and you can't go into the streets anymore, but you can peek through the ratings and see number ten downing. minister. A commotion there by the Gate is sometimes the press. Always police tourists look all this police tourists ups, right? Yes. A little bit further up. You've got the full scarves. And if you'll there, she eleven o'clock. Then they changed the guards at the top of the street. You've got. Trafalgar. Square, and if you'll their lunchtime. Saint. Martin in the fields, which is a beautiful church on the side of Trafalgar Square. They have free lunchtime concerts nearby are two free museums portrait gallery in the National Gallery Stephen You could pop in Oh my goodness. Yes. If you're lucky. You get maybe even a complimentary tool that they offer a couple of times a day, check online, but. I mean the National Gallery is one of the Great European galleries. You could say it's one of the top European painting collections and it's free and it's right there upset at least from the Leonardo Register Gotten. Yes. Raffi Oh, you got Rembrandt. Monet? The impressionist. Yes. You've got really important examples from each of those artists at the national. Gallery. Stephen Back in Deborah Haber london-based tour guides, and they're helping US navigate the possibilities for seeing one or two of the sites of their city besides the airport. The next time your flight plans include a long layover inland. And Deborah and Steven you do have the option of not going into London and doing some interesting sites near Heathrow Stephen What's near Heathrow. We'll twenty minutes away. Now, it depends if you couldn't pay for a cab Windsor is fifteen twenty minutes away. There is a bus route. It's a little more complicated dome it. We're time is precious on this day so. Do A cab. Partners Merit. Twenty minutes you're at Windsor. Palace. So you go debra. What's so big about Windsor, Palace Oh. Windsor Castle is absolutely a even if you don't have time to go in. Just to walk up to Windsor Castle and take a photo of and then walk down to the river. I love each and called H. On the other side in College Windsor Pellets Windsor. Castle callous. But it's like a, it's like a palace. Yes, but it looks like a call sold and a huge call in the tone. Itself is a delight. Yes. You feel like you're in England. Airplanes flying overhead because you're right by the airport. Gardens nearby Debra, what would you find a coup gardens at Q. Gardens and this is good if you are on a time shed, Joel. If you have enough money and you want to go taxi go in a taxi, don't bother to wait to leave your luggage because it Q. Gardens if you enter by the Victoria Gauge. They have luggage lockers for a pound of and they have large ones will take a suitcase. So that's a subsidized way to safely lock up your bag because they don't want visitors to be running around the gardens with their backs to try to take advantage of that even big bag, you can bag at suitcase sized, look they have and inside. They have this beautiful Victorian nineteenth century from the eighteen hundreds gloss greenhouse. Beautiful. It's absolutely beautiful and they have staircases inside wartime staircases inside. So you can get help on a level with the large palm trees. You've got water lilies that make you wanna be a painter. You've got, you've got carnivorous plants that make you hungry. Venus. Flytrap you've got this Joel under that. It is a beautiful teenage century, a glass and steel greenhouse. So if you want to avoid the stress of the big city, you can just go to Q. Gardens and you can even go into the big city and avoid stress, just go into a Paddington. And when you get to Paddington, you would need to ask, but you take the appropriate exit out. You come out right by the grand union canal in the Paddington base and a few yards to your left, your at what is known as Little Venice, and you can walk along the regents canal. You can walk along there. You take one of those canal. Staff. That's right. It's part London Zoo to even Camden and we were talking about, Kempton? Little bit earliest. One of the great markets actually feasibly walked. Brazil. Mentioning. You could really get into opponents of London and get out quickly and then it's time to get back. You retrace your steps. To Heathrow Airport, and you feel pretty smug surrounded by a lot of people who have been sitting there for five hours. Yeah. Travel with Rick Steves, getting wisdom from our London guides, Deborah Hebron, and Steven back about making a lay over in London a lifetime memory. Thank you so much. Thank you. Own. So. Maybe you're planning to stay in London for a while I need like some tips on d. tripping out of town. Well, we'll explore that in just a bit. But I, the, Raven, master from the Tower of London, explains how he got one of the most unusual jobs in the united. Kingdom and what it's like to live in the middle of all that British history while you're taking care of those lucky birds that's next on travel with Rick Steves. The tariff London, is arguably the most historic building in London. It's filled with imposing architecture, lots of armor, crown jewels in thousand years of stories and legends. About it we're joined now on travel with Rick Steves, by one of the ceremonial guards who actually lives in the tower blended while they're often called the beefeaters. Christopher. skype has a title of Yeoman water. That's the formal name Christopher. Special duty is taking care of the legendary Ravens of the tower and he's written a book called the Raven. Master, that tells historic. Christopher. Thanks for being with us. It's absolute pleasure. Thank you for inviting me here. The Raven Master. Most of US know about the Tower of London. But the ravens are kind of a mystery where the big deal about the ravens at the power of London and what does the Raven Master do? This surrounded by myth and legend. One such legend tells us that should've evens leave the TAB London will crumble to dust. Great. Harm will befall kingdom. So, we keep six there, boil decree. And your job is to keep make sure they're healthy and the whole thing doesn't fall apart because for some reason, the ribbons are gum. Yep. On the labor market. As far as I'm aware on the only official Raven mosque, the world My job is Welfare and security of the Evans keeping him and making sure that they're all good healthy. Okay. And I imagine you do other things, you're a Yeoman warder, what is a Yeoman warder? What's the general job description on part of a team called the body of Yemen waters where the oldest form body of men and women in the Wild Daytona back to King Henry the seventh, and so we're stationed at the Tower of London and where. where. Are the Guardians of the Tower of London if he likes? So we we are on charge of the security that have London, but will also historical interpreters. So we tell the stories about neely thousand years of history at the tower because I feel like you're invaded every day by thousands of tourists in your job is to educate and entertain and keep order among those kinds of masses. But do actually have a serious function of like security for the tower. Yeah. Absolutely, we'll ministry. So we take from the army, our full marines. A navy we have to have done a minimum of twenty two years be the rank of a war of. So we we are quite serious although we dress. Uniform. When you come to the tablet, you can see we actually do have security. Well, of course, we keep the crown jewels and Regalia at the time of London. So where we want to make sure that that stays there and is safe. A lot of people just call you beefeaters. Or is it better to be more formal? Well, we're actually young awards That's our official title, but beefeaters as a nickname or slang term that was given to his many years ago. We don't really know where the term beefy to come from probably as gods, the war families at some stage, whoever we was paid in meat or beef, it was which commodity back then and. And people would say, do those gods? They've got all the best cuts of meat. Those greedy beefeaters, an endearingly stuck with his over the years. It could do many different reasons for it. I. Like that reason as a tour guide, we get to choose favorite reasons sometimes. Absolutely. Yeah. I've been going to the tower London all my life, and it's just it's a place that just. It's just got so much history. It's amazing. You know it goes back to the Norman. Conquest doesn't it tell us the roots of the Tarp Lenin and what it means to the English people? Well, Tab London is a concentric series of twenty towers, and of course, the main tower in the middle that the White Tower was built on the orders of William, the conqueror and building work started around about ten seventy eight after he invaded England and he built it over war, impressed the citizens of London, and of course, when you sit to this day, nearly a thousand years later as exactly. Exactly. What it still does to this day I kind of like to look at it as the beaten heart of Britain, where all the the history has gone all around the world from this particular build him, and it's a magnificent place. It's had many functions, right? It's been a royal residence and a prison and execution site. Yes. Had many roles over the years. It's been a royal menagerie for six hundred and fifty years. We had lions, tigers, and exotic animals. It was public records office. It was a of all armory where we had arms and armor that was made in store. but it's probably best known as one of the most infamous prison complexes in the world. There's an old saying, isn't the keep your friends close, but keep your enemies even close up, and of course, the towers at originally designed to be a fortress and palace, and so it was good to be to keep people that knew you need to you, and so it became a prison and there were certain people over time who you didn't. You couldn't murder. Murder. But you could just kind of locked up and it seems like when they built those towers and those ramparts, they just conveniently had all these little rooms. We just lock somebody away and throw away the key in their out of your politically. They're out of your troubles. Is that right? Yes, absolutely. I. Mean. We had two types of prisoner at the top London. We had opening closed prisons. So an open prison would be rank dignitary that was. Actually for the privilege of of being kept to the top. London, and that was the job of the water and the guards at the time to luke after that said prisoner, and then we had the other side where we had the closed prison up and so for political religious reasons, they will be locked away Innova small cell somewhere in the confines of the tavern London and treated really badly. So we had two different distinct types of prisoner at the London of course, it was never. Never designed to be a prison, and of course, people did escape over the years, and that gives you all fascinating stories to tell on your on the tours. You give the tourists come to the Tower of London, our guest travel with Rick. Steves is Christopher Scape. He serves as a Yeoman warder or a beefeater at the historic tower. Blended Christopher writes about his duties caring for Britain's most famous birds in his book. The Raven master my life with the Ravens at the tower blended. Can read more about Christopher's work on facebook or twitter. He's at Raven Master one. So Christopher when we think of the tower, London we often think of. Bloody history. It's just like Hollywood gorge. I. Know You have to ramp that up a little bit to be entertaining when you when you take your guests surround the tower. But what is the story about the the bloody history of the tower flooded? Yes, of course, the have London is associated with imprisonment, torture and execution, and these stories that have come about years probably stem from some time around the Victorian period where young warriors who were ex military men at the time taken on by the Duke of Wellington had to supplement their pension, and so they would bring visitors into the Tower of London in greater numbers, and I would tell that distinct stories about those who imprisoned there. Of course, many of the stories are actually true. It's just that the Yeoman warder toward the famous tour that you go on, we do have an an ability to enhance it slightly political license I. Think it's called or you make that pretty clear. Such reading through your book. The Raven Master is say you know if you want history read a history book, if you want storytelling take our tour, it's a big part of going to London is going to the Tower of London and You know there's the Jack The ripper night walk and there's all sorts of Dungeon museums in London and so on. When you go to the Tower of London I, think we get a romanticized look at maybe romanticize not quite the right word. But in your book in the Raven Master, you've made it. It. Clear. It's not as bloody as the Hollywood coverage. She said for nine hundred years. There were about eight thousand prisoners hundred and twenty executed and only six or executed inside the gates, and you said furthermore, torture was quite rare. Yeah. Absolutely. I think officially sanctioned by the King or Queen. Time any seventy eight people were officially sanctioned to be tortured at the TAB. London. I'm sure that there were more over the years, but officially any seventy eight. So really and truly the TAB London doesn't have that glaister outlook of people who were. Were tortured at the Tower of London. It's been synonymous with the story of being told over the years and I think Americans need to remember that in our society, the ultimate penalty is capital punishment. You are killed in the most humane way they can figure out. But in the old days, there were punishments worse than death, you could be killed slowly you could be killed quickly, you could be tortured first and then killed, and then you could be tortured I and killed slowly, and then the remains of your body could be humiliated all according. According to how bad your crime was absolutely the quickest way and the best way really to be executed that period of time was by the block ax, it was deemed to be a quick. But of course, we had people that were hung drawn and quartered burnt at the stake parts of their body parts dismembered. So there was all sorts of different ways to actually kill someone if you like, but at the tower tortures only ever really used to extract information than caused them pain with oh I think the to actually go together. I think so too. This has traveled rick. Steves we're talking with Christopher Scape and he writes the Raven Master, my life with the Ravens at the Tower of London and Christopher. In his function as Yeoman warder commonly called the beefeater. He's one of a team of guards and you give tours and you know it's expensive to go to the Tower Lennon I. think Typical tourist pays about forty dollars. The equivalent in British pounds to go to the tower flooded, and you're right there. You see the the brawl is thousands of people crowd to get in and frustrations, and also you see the people who really know. Know How to do it. Well, what tricks would you give visitors to visit the Tower of London because it's it's one of the must see sites and Lenin Them I've got to say how do you avoid the crowds? How do you get a good price on the ticket and what should your priorities be once you're there? Yeah, it is fairly expensive to come and see the tablet the wonderful thing about the have London's the fact that you can put your ticket online. There are plenty of discounts to get tickets online. So pre book beforehand to beat the cues come early or late on in the afternoon. Obviously this summer bumps are quite busy at the London. So that's you know if you're going to come join us on bumps and be prepared to queue footed wall to see the crown jewels. But I would say Book Online, book your tickets online, and come early in the morning and get to the tower. As soon as you can make your straight to the crown jewels go and see them first and then enjoy the rest of your day. You can actually go to the TAB. London spent all day long they're finding about. Stories Oh, you really can people don't realize. It's a collection of museums and I i. think that tip to go to the Gills. I is really important because you have the yeomen warders you and your partners that are dressed in all of your Regalia, and you're meeting people just inside the gate in every half hour, or so there's a tour going and that's worth I mean, if you're wondering forty dollars while you're tour alone is is worth half of that. It's just so entertaining and fun. You've got an amazing. Amazing collection of armor and armory into unlike the best I've seen in Britain, you've got some of the best Norman. Architecture in England remember Romanesque is called. Norman it's the architecture before Gothic and that Norman Chapel there is one of the most exquisite examples of Norman architecture. You can find in Britain and you've got the crown jewels and what you WanNa do is make a beeline for the crown jewels and then in my experience Christopher, you've got the moving sidewalk for a close up look as you go right by. By all the crown jewels, but then you can circle back and stand above and not be rushed, and you know the people in the moving sidewalk at the close up look. You can actually hang out with one of the guards talk about the Jolson and look at your leisure after you do the sliding sidewalk. That's still true. Yep, absolutely is, and if you come caught early in the morning, you can go around a couple of times around there to see it. There's obviously people that are working inside the house who. Who are the subject matter experts inside there? So you can speak to them and find out about all the crown jewels over gay. Yeah. They are displayed absolutely magnificently. There must see even if you have to queue to some to go in, just spend a little bit time. In that case, you get in Nancy the crown jewels do not leave the London without seeing them. So I would say the three things do you gotta do you gotTa take the borders tour? You GotTa hang out with you for how long? Long does the tour like forty, five minutes or something? Yes. It's about forty five minutes to an hour. Again, that's muster do that. You don't need to that I though I think you can go to the crown jewels first before the long crowded. It's like a Disney thing. You know there's a line outside, but then you get inside and there's still a long line. So there's a lot of people crowding into see the Joel so good there I take the warriors tour and then in the big white tower is the. The armory and it's just a first class museum about medieval warfare and so on. What is your tip for enjoying that the most it actually takes quite a long time Toco, round the Watterson, leave yourself plenty of time to see the south. London. Normally, the average amount of time that you need that minimum out time is about three hours just bear that in mind of course, I'm busy days it can be a little bit more than that. But to go and see the White Tower, it's absolutely shocked with. With arms and armor and is the line of Kings. there. Is King Henry, the APE Obama on the top floor of A-block, an axe that was the last block actually use. So it's got loads of stuff to actually go and see but going that the staff around there, asking questions about the history, there's also an audio guide, many different languages you can get, which gives a really good illustration as you're walking around the tower of what you can actually see in the stories behind the actual artifacts and do remember there. There are so many dimensions to the tower London. It's not like going to a single one hit site. It's a complex of sites and there's places to eat there, and there's activities in the courtyard were especially, if you have kids get to see reenactments and so on. From the Middle Ages, it's drift are really nicely presented bit of British culture. You know as a tourist, you go to the tar blended in. It's just you know open in the morning and then everybody crushes in there and it's just a historical. Theme Park and it's just a lot of fun, and then at the end of the day, you lock it up and what one hundred and twenty people actually call the tower home You've got a church service there. You've got your family there. What's it like you have a wife and a child that lives in the tower with you? Yeah. Of course, we have our doctrine site own chaplain the Yo mortars, and their families that live and work inside the walls have London, and of course, when the public leave in the. The evening time, the Tau then becomes is and ask more children. If we have any small children which we do, you know the Tau becomes their playground and you see them running around and playing on this scooters and their bikes, and it's just a wonderful atmosphere. We have a great community that we even have our own pub on site, which is very exclusive. You can only get an invite if you actually know a young water, but it hasn't nodes and lows of memorabilia in the war. That is cool. I'm going to put that. List. I. Want to go to the pub after hours in the tower London. You officially invited one thing we can do where we can feel kind of special is go to the changing of what is it called the changing of the keys the so many of the case. Yeah. Tell us about that. The so many cases the tradition has been going on. On Century on century and actually what it is the closing down of the top London, each night, and it takes place at ten pm and it's it's a system where soldiers come out, they guard the chief, your water as he goes around the tower clothes and all the gates. Many many years ago. We would be our show in lots of people that. That had no reason to be the tower outside of the town, just pushing them all out and so that he's afforded with a guard helping close the gate and at ten pm, the Tavlin clock chimes the Chief Young Award stand. Story Raises chewed aboard and says, God preserve Queen Elizabeth, everybody answers are men, and so it's really our way of of saying. Saying. Goodnight to the world, we lock ourselves in and from my experience is pretty straightforward for a tourist to go online and make a reservation actually be there for that ceremony. Yes. Of course, you can go online. You can go onto the historic palaces website book online. If you plan your journey here, planning advanced because the waiting list to go on it. Do Planning Advance, but it is free of charge if not have to pay for the fun of coming to what. So many of the case that's the magic experience. If you have the opportunity we've been talking with Christopher Scape book is the Raven Master and Christopher. We could just wrap up our conversation. It's been so nice talking with you. As tourists. We go to the Tarpaulin to see all the you know this kind of marquee history and so on. What is the Tower of London mean to a British person? Where is it in there? I. Just a piece of our history that we love and share the actual tower itself is controlled and run by a charitable organization could historic wall palaces and they do a fantastic job. So every bit of money that is gained from people coming into have London goes back into to recreate in the history of the stories behind the tower and of a policies as well. So. So you actually help to preserve the the night in fortress that we actually have when you come visit the tough London adds an important part of the fabric of British history and to miss it when you're in London would really be a shame. Christopher, gave thanks for writing your book and thanks for sharing an insider's look at the Tower of London. You'll know them. Welcome. Thank you. Christopher scape posts about reopening the drawbridge last month for a limited number of visitors to the Tower of London. It's on his twitter account at Raven Master when. There's more about Chris's book and the Ravens Online at. Raven. Mastered. Dot Org. Tell us about your travels in the form of a Haiku poem at Rick. STEVES DOT COM radio. Here's a few European summer travel memories from our listeners. Oliver Hey in Milwaukee. Wisconsin remembers the time he took in the sights in Sienna Italy. Th Rachi Attala drips white on burnt. Sienna, bricks in the combo heat. J Mayhew and Franklin Ville. 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That's true, and that's way we've recruited some British tour guides Liz. Boardman Genie. Carmichael. To recommend a few spirit-lifting adventures. We can enjoy on easy day trip from London. They join us now with ideas for memorable and entertaining excursions. We can add unto our next London itinerary. Genuine lives. Thanks for being. So. When you go to London, of course, there's some obvious things you'll want to see. Oxford Cambridge, bath and so on. But there are some side trips that people might not think about that. We want to be sure they know about. Jeannie, what's what's an example of a great side that you'd want people to be sure to consider when they're in London? One of my favorites is Hampton, court, Palace Hampton, court palace. Why? Because it's Henry? The Eighth Chief Palace magnificent to building one thousand, two, hundred rooms in it. Sixty acres of gorgeous gardens. The world's oldest maze. Are. Tapestries costume does since costumed dose. You say doc, it's just it comes with the. Things, Liz. In England, everywhere you go. You've got costumed Dawson's I think we will like to dress up. Basically, it's a is a wonderful experience and I think many of our attractions are really aimed for education purposes and what better way to have education than to enjoy it, and it's not unusual to have a great historic palace, very highbrow place that has a little up from to the entry where the kids can put on customer gowns and coats. He's not just the kids. Does that. So we're talking, Hampton Court Palace twelve hundred rooms. Henry. The eighth. Fabulous. Lots of tapestries amaze outside in the garden custom doses. How do you get there? You just go to Waterloo station. There are two trains an hour. And you don't even need to buy a special train ticket. You can get there on the london-based account, just the London ticket out there two times near forty five minutes, and you got your Hampton court experience. What's another place? Liz? What? What would you propose people consider thinks stonehenge on Salisbury. So you can get the train from London straighter souls bring and from Solar Ray, there is A. A regular bus service on a double decker bus that will take you for by a thirty minute drive to stonehenge. Though if I was typical tourist looking at the map, I think I'm using the train. The train only goes to the city and Stonehenge is out in the middle of the country. It's going to be difficult. But no, you come into Salisbury and half of the tourist. Tourist on that train or not going to Salisbury, they're going to stone going to stonehenge. There's a double decker bus waiting probably coordinated with the arrival of the train in an ideal world and you're, and you're on your way. That's exactly it. We try make it as easy as we possibly. Can. I think there's there's oftener assault many of our guests anything they have to do an. An organized an organized trip from London, but no, you don't use the public transport. You could spend a lot of extra money taking that organized tour are could save a lot of money and have a lot more freedom if you take the train and then the bus connection thus exactly rake I, think is more for the freedom because you'd never know how long you won't be there. If, anyone has been to stonehenge before it's a different experience after about four years ago when we had a new visitor centre created and tastic exhibition room they remade. What what they think was the way that the people lived even high, they think they move some of the dig- antics, stones host the plane itself. There's more than just as we went there with our TV crew, just a couple of years ago and It was all different from my experience for so many times and you got after the exhibition center, you get on the shuttle bus and it takes your right to the stone circle right to the stains, and you can spend as long as there's you like and the beauty of going in and of souls raise. Well, you can stop in Seoul's this'll beautiful cathedral there. There's the MAGNA Carta you. Carter's in Salisbury exactly now, and it's free to go insane. This is travel with Rick Steves. We're talking the Genie Carmichael and Liz Boardman about side trips from London. What's another side trip? You would consider genie. On. One of my favorites is Bletchley. Park. Maybe. Have you seen that wonderful film with Benedict cumberbatch own about? Bletchley Park, the codebreakers. Code, that's it. Top secret establishment, and that's open to the public to the now, let's sleep park l.. E. T. C. H. L. E. Y. Park. This is great for World War Two fans absolutely and what exactly do you experience there? Is it a museum or a palace or what is the whole site is the original site preserved and you get guided to us that they take you from hut to hut on the explain to you exactly how the codebreakers worked for this really is a world war two secret mission cut silly site and were it not for them. It's estimated the wool might of lasted for more than four years longer. there. Yeah. How do you get to Bletchley? Park? You jump on a train from King's cross and forty minutes they you are. Trained, and forty minutes. We should mention that Lunden, if you are considering day-tripping Lennon a massive city from square miles point of view, it's ringed with train stations. How many train stations do we have in London? Oh Gosh. A handful of them, let them at least. Well, let's by eight major ones. Suburban, then you'll go to that by the by the tube, and then you'll catch the train from their absolute things are so were knitted because the British. People can live life just find without a car Liz. What's another day trip from London I? Really enjoy I council. Now again is a short train journey from London to new area high clear. Now, we know this because of doubt NAB ES. Yes. If you have any time fan I am and how how accessible is the actual abby? We all know and love. Well, the is actually move a stately home. In case, anyone was under the impression, it was It was a church type of a building, oversee a stately home, and the only thing I would really recommend is do check for tickets in advance. It's very popular, very popular go but accessible to should book tickets invent. Yes. into the to the entrance, Castle High Clay Council. Yes, and it's a beautiful stately home. Originally home loan cavern and laws can often we tend to associate with the discovery of two car moons, right? So is there actually an Egyptian? Egyptians exhibition. There, got. The King Tut exhibit but A. Exhibit of. Artifacts. And then you know we fascinated by Downton Abbey actually artifacts there. But now nab yours. There is some sort of a tip of the hat to the actual They have incorporated the fact of Downton Abbey and to be quite honest when you do visit is like walking on the film set. But of course, really what happened was the actors and actresses just had to move into highclere castle. They hardly had change anything for them, but again, at big exhibition with represented Downton. Abbey. As an how do we get to high clear castle from London? I, clear. Council would be a train and genius. Yes. It's a short train ride and then you'd. You, take a taxi. Just take the you take your any sort of Google that you're within an hour from this from London, and you're on your way. British tour guides, Liz Boardman and Jeannie Carmichael helping us get Outta town to explore a few of the many interesting excursions or side trips. We can enjoy within easy reach of London. Let's heather. This is fun I'm running a lot gene. What's another era? Oh, another one I really love is L. Thome Palace, which is just on the edge of London and game. That's maybe twenty minutes on the train. And that was a fifteenth century. Castle. Palace fifteen cents six hundred years ago. This is L. Tham Palacio, t. h. a. m. in what. So worthwhile able? What's wonderful about it is that in the nineteen thirties, there was very wealthy couple of coats. Great Art elections, we think the TORTOLA gallery in precise. They decided they would like to build nineteen thirties house adjoining the ancient palace. So you got a six hundred. Zero. Palace. An Art Deco. Mansion Mansion it's stunning. I've sound. Quite unique. Actually it is I've never seen anything like it anywhere else in how open is it to the public is at a private home that she a couple of rooms or is it just why don't you can see the whole thing? Is More Medieval palace or more art Deco Mansion. Well, what's left of the Medieval? Policies Great Hall one great big hole, but it's stunning. A roof, very similar to Hampton, court, and Westminster hole in the houses of parliament fabulous hammer beam roof. You could spend a week in London an every. Two aside trip and. Spent a month. And? I would bet a place like L. Tham, palace has a lovely garden. Oh, studying always absolute beautiful because the courts were passionate gardeners as well. You See, and again we have the doses to show you around. It's like stepping back in time I love the way the elegant does. An tears or do they get paid? They get paid to get paid I. I've got some sense that there's volunteer dose in some places. But whatever the case is, they feel like volunteers because they love what they do and they and you can ask them questions and the smart tourist. You know they take full advantage of those doses because they're there to give meaning to your visit. Let's go to another side trip. Just did album palace. Liz, what? What's one that you would enjoy doing I think this is for adults and children which Hawking Harry. Potter Harry Potter, and the Warner Brothers Studios, which is silent and really popular noise save for the children as well. But again, this is the adults that get a big kick out of Harry Potter. So what's coming me take me there have not been to the Warner Brothers Studios. Judy Os just nightside. This is where you can actually see some of the sets that were created for the magnificent films. You can get involved with the special effects as well. You can fly on Broomsticks, you can go and you can purchase the Waltons. Youtube can make the spouse like Harry Potter. Anybody, who's interested in Harry. Potter would find this. All of this. This is a must. Of London. But accessible by train I suppose, it's it's not London, and again, as you said, you can get there by train just like we've said with the other attractions as well. They're all buses coordinated to arrive and ferry you WANNA. Brothers Studios, and in this case, do you need reservations in advance? I can I. would is very popular, very popular. Possible to make a reservation advance especially because you're going out of London on a train you don't want to underestimate. You could hit a holiday or you could be there when there's everybody is there you WanNa have a reservation in advance? It's possible. It's possible with one of the studios. You actually have a timed entrances. Well. So there's always keep that in mind always go online and find out if. If these sites allow online booking and if they do why not? Definitely this is travel, with Rick, Steves, we are celebrating day trips from London with Genie Michael and Liz Boardman, and Jeannie enlists. Let's do a few more side trips. You know one thing that's very close to London for me because every time I lended Heathrow, it seems like I'm right. There is Windsor Fuck about winter for a minute genie. Our Windsor is just superb. I. Mean, it's Her Majesty's favourite home. When you see it, you won't be surprised why. So there's Winter Palace, Windsor, Castle. Yeah. and. That is really one of the one of the Great Royal Palaces Castles to see But there's even more than that in the town of Windsor. Just find it just a charming place to even get a small hotel or a BNB. Oh. Yes. We'll just start site the costal as Windsor Great, Park which is thousands of acres of beautiful Parkland with. With hundred year old trees, and you can do walking trails through the park and Liz don't we have the famous? Eton College, we do actually from the of Windsor, you're looking down on eastern college itself. Beautiful, iconic building itself. The whole town has a a real point englishness about him. You can get there in half an hour or so from on. Zion, the you're in a different world, it feels very much a different world. As you said, you just catch a train from Waterloo and within half an hour urine in this quintessential English time I love that. Now, if you've got kids nearby is legal and yes, and if your kids are legal maniacs are still link next. Denmark is the original legal and but there's an amazing legal land right by Heathrow Airport. It actually warrants a day visit itself, and again, if you have children is a wonderful experience for children, not only they recreating many iconic places within the UK in Lego. But there's also seem rides as well as boat rides. There's all sorts you know. English. Know How to have good. Anti Gordon to the Amusement Park happens rain or shine now, LIZ A. Bath, and I've never been beyond best to atone called Bristol. Beth so much, but Bristol is a lot of people are saying, Bristol? Is Worth a look? Greg, I. I. Think it is. This is why you know most people would leave London, they would take the train up at Paddington an hour and a half. Later, you're involved not where the majority of people will descend just go that fifty minutes further and you're in Bristol Bristol itself. It's is a a city with many many historical facts with it. Unfortunately, it was devastated during the second. World, war. So a lot of Bristol is now new build, but we still have some of the original buildings. Bristol. Has Connections with the slave industry of as part of the slave triangle. and. Again, within Bristol itself, we have big connections with a gentleman called isn't bought Kingdom Brunell now, he was on one of our fantastic Victorian engineers and designers, and he actually designed the S S Great Britain and the S S Great. Britain. Was the first iron. Steamship to cross the Atlantic. This is going back to eighteen forty five. So this was before I in our grade school education. We always learn about the ironclad of worship of the civil war rises even before that. This is even before that it took fourteen days across the Atlantic and ship with a propeller and eighteen four, eighteen, fourty five, that's great and it took over one hundred and nine hundred passengers across across the Atlantic and itself is now is come back to Bristol. It's in a fantastic display. They've actually got it done by the harbourside. You can go over the S. Great. Britain. See what the conditions were like for the passengers. I would imagine very different than any cruises that we can offer in today's. Ships themselves, but the history involved with. Great. Britain now. Unfortunately, she was put to scuttle at side the Falklands cleanse, but she was brought back to Bristol back in nineteen seventy Oh, and they spent many years recreating bringing her back to a former glory. So we know and love bath, but it's a resort town a little spa down and it's nice. It's elegant but. But if you go just to get a no nonsense, industrial port town Bristol with some serious history and some serious maritime history, definitely in Genie I, think when we're thinking about side trips from London, remember there's a place that's nicknamed London by the sea. Absolutely. You just jump on a train at Victoria station. There's one every fifteen minutes and in an hour you're in Brighton. And Brighton is the most brilliant place to visit because Brighton is the city of shall I say mildly eccentric. Very good thing to say mildly and less mildly eccentric pleasure activists. Absolutely you. There are more vegetarian restaurants there than any other city in Britain got a thriving glycine, very thriving facing there when we had a census a few years ago. significant percentage of Brighton inhabitants put down their religion as Jedi Knight Jeff. And you've got an eccentric royal who built a palace down there the brandon. Is, one of the most exotic buildings I think arguably the most exotic building in Britain talk about the Brighton Pavilion. Well, it has been said that it looks as if the Taj Mahal had given birth to a pup and that looks like absolute. It is our version of the Taj Mahal. It was built by the Prince Regent was the son of the third. If you remember him, he was the king went man courses a few colonial problems. Talk. About That his son wasted his money on building. This fabulous extravaganza, which is an Indian Palace on the outside and inside. It's exquisite. Chinese, palace. Hearts. Walworth throughout and speaking of Indian. You know when you go to London these days, it's just a microcosm of England's of the Commonwealth of England sooner empire and a lot of people don't have enough money to own their own palace. Palace. But they have money for a train ticket and they wants a little time on the sunshine on the beach. They'll go straight south as far as the train can go that Brighton and you go to the beach and it's just a ethnic festival of different families from all over the former Commonwealth immigrants first generation immigrants that are down unbranded speech having a great time. Date, and if you like antiquing, you've died and gone to heaven because Brighton has tiny little streets which called the lanes. It used to be a fishing village, you sir and it grew from that the most beautiful jewelry shops there. Oh, my God. This has been so much fun Genie Carmichael Liz, Boardman. You've opened my horizons. I can go back to London for the rest of my life and see the British Museum and. The National Gallery and up and down Whitehall and I love that. But to get on a train and go forty minutes to trains and our you've got a whole world of the wonderful side trips. Thank you so much pleasure. Thank you. Travel with Rick, steves produced by yours truly tim tap with Isaac Kaplan Wilner, and Caz Mahal at Rick Steves Europe in Edmonds Washington. We. Get websites support from American McCone and our theme music is by Jerry Frank. Thanks to our colleagues at the BBC in London for their help this week. Redwood. Rick's been thinking about lately as online travel blog with for Rick's posts on facebook or at blog dot rick steves. Dot. com. At Rick Steves online travel store, you'll find guidebooks for London and for England Scotland, Ireland and Great Britain to learn more about Rick's guidebooks. visit the travel store at Rick Steves, dot. com.

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Episode 129: Digging Deep

Lore

37:22 min | 1 year ago

Episode 129: Digging Deep

"In the fall of eighteen thirty seven the city of London was under the power of something. Mysterious a human figure was appearing at night in front random citizens frightening them with its claw like hands glowing eyes and blue fire that spewed from its mouth after each attack the figure gear. It would leap away. Sometimes over tall fences or buildings soon enough public had a name for it. Spring heeled Jack. In early eighteen thirty eight's one man had heard enough. He was the seventy year old retired. General who had been responsible for defeating Polian at Waterloo known to history as the Duke of Wellington and with his city under attack from dark forces he strapped on his sword mounted his horse and went hunting for a monster answer. That is all true. It's on the historical record but over the years. I've often wondered what if the Duke of Wellington had done that before. What if he had secretly been a hunter of supernatural threats his entire life and if so what would that look like the answer answer it turns out was a story I needed to write so about a year ago? I teamed up with the Comic Book Publisher. Idea W and New York Times bestselling author Delilah Delilah Dawson to bring that story to life. The final result a five issue series called Wellington will kick off in mid December and. It's absolutely absolutely stunning. You can preorder your copy of issue one right now from your local comic book shop. And if you don't know where that is you can find it real easy by heading to comic shop op locator Dot Com and punching in your zip code. I'm super excited about the series and I think you're going to love it. preorder your copy today and get ready to ride alongside Wellington into the heart of evil and now on with the show the construction and was called to a stop. The moment they found the bones the work crew was preparing a building site along one of London's many ancient streets when they uncovered what appeared to be a body or at least the remains of one. It was clearly old given nothing but bones could be seen beneath the dirt. So a team of archaeologists was brought in to preserve and study the remains in the end. They determined that the bones belonged to a teenage girl who had lived in London over sixteen hundred years ago. A Roman girl. It's not the last time something like that has happened. In the city during some development work near spittle fields market in the nineteen nineties a a work crew uncovered what turned out to be an entire Roman cemetery. Among the finds was a perfectly preserved lead coffin its lid covered and beautiful artwork that had been hammered right into the surface still visible all these centuries later and that's the way history tends to work time time will bury it beneath new and current events but if we dig deep enough and brush away the soil we can come face to face with it all over again. The past never truly goes away after all. It's there waiting to be discovered so that we can study it and relearn the stories it contains oftentimes though the things that lead the deepest marks tend to be the most tragic and painful events that rattled people to their core and left if the shadow on the history of a place that no amount of sunlight could ever chase away and the older the city the more common though shadows tend to be which is why I want to take you on a tour of one of the oldest because while the past is always nearby in our modern world view places allow how it to dwell so close to the present as the city of London. It's past is both the Treasury of historical significance and decrypt full of the darkest arcus tragedies. We could ever imagine because in a city filled with so much light. There's bound to be some shadows. I'm Erin Minke. And this is Lor London is ancient. There's really no other way to say it. Most Americans live in a community. That's less than two hundred years old. If you're in New England or one of the other places with roots in precolonial America perhaps those locations go back a bit further but London's history makes all of those seem brand new by comparison. Archaeological work in London can place humans in the area as far back as forty five hundred BC. But if we're looking for a major settlement where it stands today that didn't happen until forty seven ad when the Romans arrived and set up a community there that they called London eum. Although from what we can tell it didn't last long al.. Thanks to a woman named Boudicca as as far as historians know Buddha was the wife of King Prostitute who ruled over eastern British tribe known as the Ice Seaney when the Romans arrived in their territory and forty the three ad they came to an arrangement with prostitutes allowing him to maintain control of his kingdom when he died seventeen years later though. The Romans Woman's refuse to acknowledge his widow as the new ruler and instead invaded them to take the land for themselves but they misjudged Buddhika assuming she was a quiet woman incapable of ruling. Anything instead to rallied a massive army of close to one hundred thousand warriors and led them on a campaign against the Romans all over for Britain in sixty one AD. Her army rolled over London. EUM like a Sherman tank burning the entire settlement to the ground in fact her campaign pain against them with so fierce and unstoppable that the Romans nearly left Britain altogether but those who survived managed to rebuild and within a handful of decades it had grown in large enough to become the capital of the entire province. Over the years the city continued to expand and mature and even though the Romans left toward toward the beginning of the fifth century. The community there refused to die by the seventh century. London had earned a reputation as a major trade center which brought in a steady flow of wealth and goods and also turned the city into a political powerhouse. Of course power and wealth has a way of making a community target for others. I and London was no exception in ten sixty six. William the conqueror sailed across the English Channel and earned his nickname by taking control of the entire Kingdom and making making his own and of course special attention was paid to London. Within two decades. The population of the city had reached nearly fifteen thousand and by the thirteen hundreds that had multiplied to over eighty thousand. But something unexpected was heading their way that would ravage that growing community. Something mysterious and dangerous. Seemingly unstoppable the black death what started as a plague in western Asia quickly spread to Europe bringing death and destruction action to every community at touched. By the time the black death had burned itself out some historians estimate that upwards of two hundred million people were dead the people of London and lost at least ten thousand lives most of whom were buried outside the city walls. It wouldn't be the last time. The city would face tragedy in sixteen nineteen sixty four. A fresh outbreak of the plague killed another one hundred thousand people and then two years later in September of sixteen sixty six. A fire broke out in the house of Baker on Pudding Lane. It eventually spread west destroying much of the city as it went and while there were only six verified casualties historians now think the fire burned hot enough to completely cremate. Those who were caught in. It's making the true death toll anyone's gas so much of London's history was tragic and outside human control but there have also been moments along the way that could only be blamed on the people who live there jack the ripper and the murders that took place in eighteen eighty eight in the white chapel. All district of the city are always front and center in most people's minds. But there's been a lot more bloodshed than just those five innocent women. In fact a lot of the city's murder murder in violence could be found higher up the ladder in the very chambers and homes of the people who held the power and wealth. It seemed that rather than being immune to the shadows that lingered in the city even the powerful could fall under their spell. Because if there's one thing the nobility of England's past seemed to attract more than anything thing else it was pain and suffering and death we don't need to look far to find bloody nobles nobles it sometimes feels as though all we have to do is open a history book and flip to a random page life. Top was often a cutthroat game. Both figuratively family and literally and anyone who found themselves in the orbit of a King or Queen certainly understood that risk a great example of how bloodthirsty the English kings could be. Was Henry the eighth. Henry is known for a lot of things not all of which are so great. In retrospect he expanded the power of the crown during his lifetime and based a lot of that on his belief in the divine right of kings. Something that threatened the freedom of his people. He was greedy and vindictive and had an ego that was only surpassed Aston size by the con- piece on his armor. But if there is one thing that most people remember today about Henry the eighth. It's his many wives. Henry had six six of them half of whom were named Kathryn which must have made it a lot easier for him. I'm sure five of those. Six wives came and went within its single ten year period in his life but not all of those breakups were friendly. After having his first marriage annulled in fifteen thirty three and sparking the English reformation and the country three separation from the Catholic Church Henry married the sister of a former lover. A woman named an Berlin three years later he had her executed for treason and adultery but also possibly for failing to deliver a male heir. The day after Ann's beheading Henry proposed to one of her ladies in waiting Jane Seymour. They they had apparently fallen in love months before but Jane had managed to hold off. Henry's advances in the name of honor. Once the Queen was dead. Though she was much more agreeable they remarried ten days later from everything I can tell. Henry believed that Jane Seymour was the one viewed her as his perfect queen and when she gave birth earth to his first male heir a year later he probably side with relief but complications from the birth put her life at risk in over the two weeks that followed. She slowly declined in October. Of Fifteen. Thirty seven Jane Seymour passed away that had taken place at Hampton Court Palace. Henry's favourite London residence. It's a mixture of a pleasure palace a theater and a royal home. So when Henry brought his next to wives through those doors over the next few years they were the probably bittersweet moments a lot of joy would be possible there but it would always sit in the shadows of a painful past his fifth wife. Wife Catherine Howard made a fool of the king by conducting at least one less than secrets affair after learning about what she had done. Henry had catherine arrested and thrown in prison themsel- there at the house. She was only eighteen at the time. And I can't imagine the fear and desperation. She must have felt being a prisoner of the most powerful man in the Kingdom uh according to the stories though Catherine managed to slip away from her garden one day while being walked through the palace she bolted away and ran down. One belong long galleries that led to the king's chapel. where she knew Henry could be found? Her goal was probably to beg for forgiveness to ask for mercy and to plead for her life but the guards caught up to her before that could happen and her screams of terror. Were the only thing to reach him. Catherine Howard was beheaded a short while later and Henry moved onto a new wife also named Kathryn but just because those former wives were gone doesn't mean they were forgotten in fact if the stories are true they might have stuck around to serve as a cruel reminder. It said even today visitors to that long gallery in the palace have heard echoes of a woman screaming a desperate panicked cry that chills them to the bones. Others have heard the quick rhythm of footsteps as if someone were running down the hallway and in Nineteen nineteen ninety nine according to one source to different tourists fainted in the gallery at different times on the very same day elsewhere in Hampton Court Palace. Less other shadows have stuck around as well in a room at the top of the staircase known as the silver stick stairs. Multiple visitors have claimed to have seen the figure of Pale woman. She stands silently hovering slightly above the floor with a mournful expression and vacant is for those who have witnessed it. The Specter has been both calming mean and terrifying whether or not the visions a real though. It's fascinating to look at the true history of that room because while it has been used used for countless purposes over the last few centuries one specific resident stands out above all the others. It was in this room. You see that Henry. The eighth eighths only male heir was born to his true love Jane Seymour and it was there just two weeks later. That she passed away Oh the old home located on Berkeley Square is a town house. Just one of many in a long row of similar facades but as far back as the mid nineteenth century it was different enough to stand out from all the others but before I continue with the legends. Let me be clear that not a lot is known about the House's origins and a lot out of stories have yet to be completely verified. Still we know enough to make this journey worth taking so let's get started. The majority Jordy of details begin with the man who owned the House. Back in the eighteen. Sixties Thomas Maier wasn't the first to live there but he was certainly the most infamous. It said that he had wants been engaged to be married but fiance eventually changed her mind and ended their relationship broken and distraught. He retreated into his house and was rarely rarely ever seen again. Neighbors claim that the house would be dead during the day only to come alive at night. It was as if Thomas had traded in the sunlight for or the shadows leaving the rest of his life during those moments when most of the world was asleep and it might very well be whispers of the house all lit up at night that I gave birth the rumor that it was haunted but could also have been what happened next sometime around eighteen. Seventy two the house sold to a new family and they moved in to clean up the home and make it their own. The couple had two daughters both in their late teens and they were precious few years left for the parents to enjoy life as a family in this new setting writing before they became empty nesters in the weeks that followed though the future crept in the oldest of the two daughters became engaged to a young officer named captain. Captain Canfield than conversation became filled with talk of wedding plans and guest list and at some point in their engagement. Captain Canfield planned visit so the family set about preparing the attic bedroom for his rival. According to the story what happened next is still shrouded in mystery. The family made with sent up to put the final final touches on the fiancee's room and while she was up there the family heard her scream at once. Everyone in the house rushed upstairs to see what had happened only to find her lying on the floor and expression of complete horror painted across her face. More mysterious yet was that she couldn't seem to put a complete sentence synced together and was unable to answer any questions. The family asked her all the made was able to do was mutter low cryptic refrain. Don't let it touch me. Don't let it touch me. The made was immediately taken to the hospital to recover where I imagine. Someone observed her and did their best to treat her rattled nerves but other than that there was little they could do sleep. They assumed would be the best medicine the following morning. Though she was found dead in her room the fiance arrived the next day. And after hearing the stories of the maids unexpected death he decided to check the room out for himself. Maybe he was playing the brave soldier in front of his future in laws in an effort to impress them or perhaps his fiancee needed some reassurance and he wanted to calm her nerves whatever the reason he climbed the stairs to the attic bedroom and declared that he would keep watch throughout the night in the darkest hours of the morning. Though a gunshot gunshot pulled everyone from sleep their heart's racing at the sound of it. Everyone climbed out of bed through on their night coats and then rushed up to see what had happened. What they found according to the legend was the young captain dead on the floor of his room a victim of his own pistol in one thousand nine hundred seven author? Charles Harper wrote about the house in a book and it was there that he declared to be the very picture of misery after the events that were said to have taken place there. It's easy to wonder if the misery was in the structure or the lives who live there either way the stories. We've heard so far. Shed a bright right lights on one more tale. That Harper added to the legend according to him the next family to own the house moved in fully aware of the tragedies of the past asked the owner was an older gentleman who is said to be practical and not prone to stories of the supernatural. Still he understood the power of suggestion. The creepy old house with a dark past might have over him so he set some rules for everyone to follow after settling in with his family. He told them all that he would ring his his bel- to tell them if he ever truly needed help. If it was a moment of frights he would only bring it once which they were all instructed to ignore but if matters were more pressing and he truly needed help he would ring twice a signal that they were to immediately come to his room. Everyone went to bed at the end of the evening and while the night right began peacefully the quiet was broken around midnight by the loud chime of the old man's bell not once but twice which sent everyone rushing to see see what might be the matter what they found. Though weren't answers. The old man was riding in his bed. His face twisted by panic nick in fear just like the house made all those years before he too couldn't answer the questions that the others around him asked he could only mutter and shake with Horror at something. No one else could see after doing their best to help him. They calm him enough to let him sleep and everyone wandered back to their own rooms. They left his bel- on the table beside his bed hoping that he would remember how to use it if needed them but the remainder of the night was one long stretch of unbroken silence. In the morning they discovered why after visiting the old man's bedroom to check on him one of his family members gently pushed the door open and peered inside the shape and the bed was unmoving and so they approached awake him and see how he felt but like those in the house before him he to head passed away. A random coincidence of natural causes or a demonstration of the power of fear There's a lot about London that seems to echo the atmosphere of the house at fifty Berkeley Square. It's a city painted. Did shadows but it's unclear if that darkness was always there or if we imported over the centuries what's clear is that almost from the start tragedy and suffering has been a resident of this ancient city right back to the invasion of Boudicca nearly two thousand years ago and up to its most modern challenges. Orange is the city of London has had to suffer through quite a bit and that has a way of leading mark over the centuries though the the city has always found ways to move on. New Layers are added all the time building. The present on top of the past and slowly burying one dark moment beneath another which is probably why London is one of those places where new construction always seems to bump into ancient things if you dig deep enough. You're guaranteed need to find something and look. London is a massive city. And while I did my best to cover some of its larger and more powerful stories there there are hundreds more that I had to leave untouched. Honestly if you want to visit a haunted location in the city just visit a local pub like the ten bells or the flask or the Spaniard. In if the stories are true you'll find a lot more than a pint of Ale waiting for you inside but if there's one mark on the pages as of London's history that is bigger than most it's hard to deny the power of the plague if you remember when the wave of disease washed over the city in sixteen sixty five it took two years to run its course and in the process it claimed the lives of nearly one hundred thousand people and that was a lot of tragedy to deal with on the personal and the the public level. The biggest problem seemed to be what to do with all those corpses. We've all seen films like Monty Python and the holy grail and can all remember number lines like bring out your dead and from what we can tell that's pretty close to how it actually would have been a steady daily flow of bodies out of the city away from the places places where people lived in the hope that it would stop the spread of the disease and most of the bodies were carried outside the city limits. One such burial location was started by the Earl of craven who purchased a parcel of land west of the city for disposal of plague victims and every night for months on end carts filled with rotting corpses. Were wheeled out onto his land and then dumped into the pits there over time the place became known as the pest house field and later it was named gelding holding close but to be honest few people actually went there. They were too afraid of what might happen if they got too close to the body of a plague victim or heaven forbid accidentally accidentally touched one so the burial plot like so many others around the city became a sort of no-man's land after years of waiting. The owners owners of the land eventually made the decision to use the property for development. London was growing in. There would always be a need for a new neighborhood to settle in so it was sold in. Pieces is and developed into homes for the wealthy elite to move away from the center of the city. Gelding closed eventually became known as Golden Square. And today. It's a prominent feature in the Soho area of London. But even though the name has changed and the landscape around it has been transformed. The past is still there. Lingering Green in the shadows of modern life in fact more than a few visitors to the park and buildings that surrounded have bumped into the past in a very real way a few you have seen the figures of people dressed in old fashioned clothing slipping through the square at night while most if caught the sound of wailing as if someone were enduring horrible pain pain and suffering. But it's not the specific things people have heard over the years that are the most terrifying aspect of these stories. No it's where they all claim the voices have come from the sounds. They say seem to emanate from right beneath their feet In a city as old and historic is London is guaranteed to have a library of mysterious shadows rose and other worldly experiences and I hope. 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As far back as the Roman period of the city there has been an overt focus on the financial industry in about two hundred forty eight for example the Romans constructed myth the three am a temple devoted to the god Mithras. Some of the most common members of the cult of mithras were merchants traders customs officials and politicians all professions things that revolved around the flow of money. But it didn't end with the Romans as the centuries ticked by the people of London found new and better ways to manage money and build the economy in a year. Eleven hundred King Henry the first instituted a new system of currency that even the most illiterate and uneducated citizens of his kingdom could understand the tally stick. It was essentially a polished wooden. Rod Had Knicks carved into it to denote its value and it was then split down the middle King kept one half while the other was put into circulation in places like the city markets. And that's where the system really shined if anyone tried to change the value of the public half by adding another nick it just needed to be compared to the other half kept safe by the crown but at the end of the seventeenth century. One of the biggest changes to the financial world of London was born the Bank of England it was created in sixteen ninety four to solve a tricky financial problem. The government of England faced they needed to build a massive of navy to defend themselves but lacked the funds to do it so an elaborate system of lending and currency came to their rescue a century later. The Bank of of England was simply a way of life for the people of London it had all the prestige and power. You might expect from a government backed bank and had established a reputation for itself that has carried into the twenty first century. But I don't want to give you a tour of the banks full history. I just want to tell you about one of their employees. A man named Phillip Whitehead Whitehead worked in the cashier's Office of the Bank of England in eighteen eleven everyone around him viewed him as a pillar of the establishment. A hardworking respectable man man who was charming and delightful with staff and customers alike. Except that's not all he was. Philip was also a criminal it turns out he had been forging bank documents for months. Cheating the bank out of a slow trickle of money and at some point in eighteen eleven his misdeeds were discovered and he was quickly arrested and sent off to the prison a few months later in early eighteen twelve Phillip Whitehead hanged for his crimes and the bank moved on several weeks after Phillips hanging meaning though a woman came into the bank asking for him she said her name was Sarah but when she asked to speak with Phillip Whitehead she was simply told that he was out of the office on a business errand. The woman left disappointed but promised to be back at another time the next time that she returned she not only told them that her name was Sarah but that she was Philip's sister she. She told them of how she had lost touch with her brother many months earlier in that she had been desperate to find a way to reach him and at some point. Her story must have plucked at the heartstrings. Of just us the right bank employees because one of the men took her aside and told her the truth. Her brother was dead. It wouldn't be Sarah's last visit to the bank. Though the next time she returned she was dressed all in black with a black veil that covered her face. She stepped into the lobby of the bank and asked to see her brother. Taking pity on the poor woman official at the bank pulled her aside apologized for keeping his imprisonment and execution secrets and offered a small settlement. It was a payoff of course designed to keep her from disturbing the other customers. But I'm sure he sold it to her more as a salve for her aching heart either way. She accepted the money and then left but she returned a few days later over and over again. Sarah Whitehead visited the bank each time dressed in that black gown and veil that I her voice was nothing more than a whisper but with each new visit. Her question became louder and more aggressive Where is my brother? She continued to ask each of those visits ended with another small payment from the bank but they weren't the Charity House conventionally decided that enough was enough pulling her aside one day they handed her a massive settlement and told her never to return and to her credit. Sarah Whitehead listened. She never again set foot inside the bank although it said she also never wore anything else but that black gown dark veil. We don't don't know how long Sarah lived after that. Sometimes grief has a way of speeding up a person's decline while other times. It seems to give them a reason to go on but decades later her. Sarah passed away. Having spent the remainder of her life. In a constant state of mourning for her dead brother. Legend says that the churchyard she chose for her burial Israel was the one right next door to the bank. Maybe she wanted to keep an eye on them from the other world or perhaps it just happened to be where she attended church. I like to think it was the former and that those who still worked at the bank in new her story were aware of where she was buried. It's very poetic. Whether or not it was actually true but her story doesn't end there. Of course. In the years following Sarah Whitehead's death employees inside the bank began to report seen strange range things. oftentimes it was nothing more than a movement just out of their field of vision cod in the corner of their eye but never there when they turn their head other other times it was the fleeting vision of something black and shadowy many who have worked in the bank claim that certain areas. Give them a feeling of hopelessness and despair and on rare occasions. Some claim a mysterious shape has even materialized right before their eyes all of them have described it in the same way to. Oh giving the old stories new life as the decades passed by. They say the shape is that of a woman each time. She appears peers. Her Pale skin is framed by address as black as coal veil that had once covered her face pulled back to reveal twisted lips. Red Cheeks is that seem to glow like fire. But it's the words. She speaks. That frighten people. The most after locking is with them and washing them in a wave of terror. The woman in black repeats the same words. She had grown so accustomed to in life. where she asks them is my? I brought her This episode of Law was written and produced by me Aaron Minke with research by Robin Miniature and music by Chad Lawson law is much more than just podcast. There's a book series available in bookstores and online online and two seasons of the television show on Amazon Prime Video. Check them both out. If you want more lore in your life I also make to other podcasts Aaron encased cabinet of curiosities and on obscured. And I think you'd enjoy both each one explores areas of our dark history ranging from bite sized episodes to season-long dives into a single topic. You can learn more about both of those shows and everything else going on over in one central place the world of Lor dot com slash now. 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