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Talking with T-Bird: Heidi Hamels

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Talking with T-Bird: Heidi Hamels

"If you stay here. Life will. Be. A As Weird Sake with. This diva. Oh. Yeah, that's right. Shocking with t-bird bird season. Two Is Rolling Along I'm Rob Sister Nino back here with the lady who hunts down the survivors that you've been waiting to hear for here. She is the Great Theresa T. Bird Cooper. Hey. Yes, hey, it's going so well so excited for this one here today, t-bird Could you let the listeners know who you've tracked down this time? We've got Heidi Strobel Hamels from survivor Amazon six. This is who is books again. Reminding who this person is. Destroy Hills actually she finished on day thirty six. Thirty six. From Somalia Amazon. Sounds very familiar. Yes. She's first player that we've talked to from survivor Amazon. Yes. Very excited very excited for this one diverge a great job. This is a great job. I really I couldn't believe it when you texted me and said that we're GonNa Talk Heidi. I was so excited because you know Heidi is one on the shortlist shortlist here from season one. Heidi was on our short list of somebody that you really really really wanted to talk to. And when I told you that I had gotten Heidi, you sent me a text back and I kinda thought your kid, and then I realized you weren't kidding. You said I didn't think I'd ever talked to her again. No, that makes it even better. Yeah. There was a falling out or anything. It's just that you know people go their own separate ways. It was definitely harder to keep tabs with people back fifteen years ago, before social media was everywhere, and everybody had cell phones and everything like that. Cell phones at that time, but but you know it's easier to keep tabs on people now, anyway excited for Heidi, Hamels here on the podcast today. This is going to be very. Fund wants a great job here from T. 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Education issue has a master's degree secondary education, even now at the age of forty one and five beautiful children Caleb Braxton Mackenzie n now nine month old harlow. She has maintained trump menacing bigger hard work in a structured fitness regimen. Her instagram. She had her hopes that on the amazing race in. Had I applied with her grandfather for that reality show, but Mark Burnett had his sights set on her for survivor, so with a personal cough from mark persuaded her to apply for survivor Heidi was clearly a threat at on day thirty six with three against her, it was not unanimous by the way was taken out by the guys fitting for game, which started with the initial tribes being divided by six HASHTAG battle excess. She left the game weighing eighty six pounds on her five foot nine inch Along with a knee, swollen up is large as a baseball due to a spider bite, and because of the parasites she contracted in Amazon. She ended up with kidney. Failure still talked about by survivor fans today was the girls dolled wilder immunity challenge on day nineteen when Heidi and Jenna strip naked before jumping in the water or peanut, butter and Orios after survivor, we saw her and Jenna on the cover of playboy two thousand. Bree. In two thousand four, her life would change when she met the man of her dreams call Hamels when throwing out the first pitch at a clearwater phillies gay in December, two, thousand six, they remarried. Cole Hamels went on to win. The two thousand eight world series MVP player with the Philadelphia Phillies, which means Heidi is the wife of a successful baseball player, but don't think this strong independent woman is content living in the shadows. She is leaving her own mark. Hi didn't call star the Ham at on Dacian in two thousand nine. Their mission is to improve education in the Philadelphia area and they've reached out across the globe in helping children orphaned by HIV in Malawi Africa Giving All Children Hope High. Were nine humanitarian of the year about Philadelphia sports writers. In Two thousand twelve, they donated their one hundred and four acre home to bought Abbas a nonprofit for those with special needs in chronic illnesses. Not, surprising it has been stated that Heidi has the gift of empathy and compassion. She is an entrepreneur fitness, Guru. Plays the piano the drums writes. Poetry is a running junkie has a career as a country music song writer tonight, and only a few accomplishments go ahead under estimate. This awesome, amazing determined passionate UNAFRAID, enthusiastic, beautiful woman I. Dare You. traduced to you, a humble lady known for her generous philanthropy efforts Heidi Strobel Hamels. T-bird I'M GONNA. Have you read my obituary? Unbelievable. That was awesome. You are unbelievable, Oh, my goodness I don't know what to say about that introduction undeserved, so you are so accomplished. It's it's quite deserving. You're so complex Heidi. What what next where do you go from here? Rob A podcast. Well this? This is true this. Guy's House Stop Stop here this is this is the end of the road for me so I'm so excited that we have you here. I've been looking forward to this all week long because this is so wonderful, I feel like that. It's been probably. Fifteen sixteen years since. We've gotten to catch up and so I know you've had a lot going on, but I'm so happy that you're here today. Likewise, likewise rob a same with you. I saw like I think you have to two little queasy. Imagine that now, but I love it. I mean I can't. I can't imagine I love that for you. That's so special. Well. This is so. It's so nice to get to hear your voice. How are you guys doing with everything that's going on? I know that the Major League Baseball is still waiting to strike up a deal in terms of like what. Everybody doing okay by you. I it is interesting because. Robots. Not, a huge sports fan, but I mean per. Se but I did love baseball before this. So I'm just GonNa talk from a Fan. Point of view has nothing to do with who are married to, but an and I think most people would say this is true about their favorite sport is that it's? It's kind of a shame. That baseball isn't going right now. Because I think people would find a new love for it and new, passion for it I. Think in this is just my. My own opinion, I think I think MLB is missing out on a huge opportunity. They get millions of more fans onto tune into baseball and the players, and and it's it's. It's actually ashamed. All of this is happening so on on on a lot of levels one. We make no income so so you've got to consider that you know for not just us. I mean all these minor league guys that. Are Barely making it. I think I think they make around eight hundred dollars a month. So, you've got all all those issues some of the owners not wanting to play for reasons. I won't get into here. I'll try not to go very political here, but It is, it is interesting I. Just I hate it from like I, said just baseball. It's it's. It's a real shame to not see this happen, so I hope they come to something soon. I know personally. Coal is going crazy. This is you know in pro athletes life in their mind. This is their whole life. They don't know how to be anything or do anything else this. This is everything to them, so they live in breathe whatever that sport is so this this can really rock your world, and then I own four other companies that are massively impacted by Cova. Sure yeah, so it's kind of it's. It's hit US pretty hard. One of the companies I have is a entertainment company for singers, but you know they can't go on the road so they. They can't even perform probably until April twenty, twenty one from a foundation nonprofit point of view. I can't even tell you how many how many schools and people need our help right now. Because that's the only way most of those kids were getting fed. They were going to school. So we have tried to step in a lottery leaf on feeding them a lot of relief, and there's only so much we can do so it's it's been very like I. Hate to say you know I like bleed red, white and blue. It's been heartbreaking for me to see this happen to America and at the same time. With the middle of a black lives, matter I have a I have an African Child in the middle of all that they're still been a lot of really good. A lot of people that have surfaced and I love seeing that you love seen people, rally and You know try to make something great out of something pretty awful. Heidi I know that had signed with the Atlanta braves in the off season, even though the braves have started to play outside spring tiny, but that is t birds favorite team. That's awesome. Well. They're an awesome awesome organization. I've always loved them hiding. Truth things in common one thing we have in common is we were both voted out. On Day thirty six okay, we were both down any other thing. We have in common the Atlanta right so I have to tell you this actually reached out to Brian Brian I'm friends with Brian and his wife Rani. I've known for ever so the listeners who Brian is. Brian SNICKER is they coached? The Atlanta braves so reached out to Brian. Brian I'm talking to Heidi today call. Amazon, can you give me a funny story? About so anyway. He said he had just hung up with coal. Thought met you. Yeah, now. He hasn't met me yet. Rob said it we got. He got signed in a whatnot November or so and you know you really don't meet the team until spring training and there was no spring training. So so lots. You kind of to this mystery person for a very long time so It's so so true of like okay. What what team? Who are the players whose you know I it's it's crazy to be in this position. Heidi long-suffering mets fan I would appreciate if you guys with steady state out of the National League East. We heard that from a lot of phillies fans as well. So you know I would just love to. Catch up a little bit about your survivor. Experience that it's been. It's been so long. I'm sure that it doesn't come up a lot, but I feel like that's where most of the people that are listening to the podcast a no, no, you best from at I feel like that. You were always under appreciated as a player that t bird said Hey, don't underestimate Heidi, but I have to say I I never underestimated you. To a fault. At! Rod I said when when it was, it was coming down to it, I said. Heidi genetics guys, you guys Heidi is GonNa win. Heidi's going to win. She's getting high. She's getting high. She's she's. She's getting better. Win, the challenge is. Getting better, she might win one. Poll that one point with injury and I felt like that. You were on the rise. My Gosh I love you. That is such a crack up well one I appreciate that my older self definitely appreciates that. To. Know, you. You definitely didn't rob I. Think you're one of the few that that that didn't which I always appreciated about you, but but also hands down. You're the best player became, I mean you were so it's and probably you are of many. If you put yourself in. Many of these games should be the best player so I. Think there's a lot a lot to be set with. Not going carried where Heidi. It really is true. I do know how how good you are, and how it's like a chess game. I think that was the hardest part for me. Is that I'm such an impasse? Compassionate and I'm man I feel everything and at the same time. I'm an athlete. So I had an I compartmentalize really well, so I had to be like okay. I need to put the impact or whatever this other thing is about my personality on a shelf and not reach for that I mean probably until I have to but but you got it. You got it you. This is just a game this is this is a game we're. We're not here to be best friends. The viewers don't look at it that way back then. Maybe now they definitely do in you know you're. You're a real person. Whatever they edited whatever they showed that was your real person, and it's like wow. I'll be honest. That's like that's like, maybe if we have you know tin, different personality types inside of us. That was probably two of mine. No because you knew you had to shelf the rest of who were to get through this thing. I think most people would do that if they were ever an regardless of the name survivor I think most people would do that in survival moment you think that are seals. Everybody fighting for this country shows all ten of their cards. No now you're in combat. That's that's the card you show. It doesn't matter if you're the best person that ever lived. You'RE NOT GONNA. Show that card so I think people forget like. This person easily could be not showing five of their cards six cards eight of their cards. They forget that they really think that that must be the person. You are so I think I think that that was the most interesting part of playing a game. You know 'cause 'cause. That's what it was. In Heidi, a you know I had that's interesting to see what you're saying. Now in what I look back from years back which she said during the Game Rob, she actually said. Even though you were trying to get on. Her genus good graces. Heidi said that you would win the game wrong up screwing everybody else over, so she she had inside. She knew the kind of player you were, and obviously you knew the kind of player. She was yeah. I got to go back to that specific day. Because I've been talking about the game. You know we had our. We had a family visit and it was weird. We had a nice time, and then we had they had given us wine, and I was over served, and I woke up that morning. I the worst hangover and I was not I was not thinking clearly, and I had a lot of crazy ideas and I had said. I talked to Jenna about how I wanted to I. Basically told her like. Hey and in my mind. I was like Oh everybody's. A lot of people are are are not liking you right now so I'll go to the the end with you, but just trust me I. Like in there and I was like I was like I'll let me throw her bone and okay, and then and we get her on my side because. I felt like I was offering her something that was in her best interest. Go to the end, and she did not want to do that. And ultimately like what she knew better, she knew better than me as you know. Screw You I. Don't want your stupid deal and She went back and told his told Heidi and in the whole thing. Blew up and everybody was yelling at me and Heidi said like. Hey, if you. If you keep screwing everybody over then you're GonNa win like okay well. That's I can live with that. This is so funny especially day whatever that was had no food. You're decrepit and you're like. I can't even move my limbs anymore. That that makes it even funnier because my normal healthy cells one I still would have thought that about Robert. My normal healthy stuff would be like hell. Yeah, I. Mean. You GotTa do what you gotTa do? You know. Any more of a pat on the back thing. Be Upset about it. I mean in fairness. I did not do a great job like I don't know why you know. Butch and Matt and Christie weren't saying like. Hey, let's let's vote this guy out. The Sky. But they were. They were dug in, so I didn't mind it. I don't think again. I think this goes back to. And these were the beginning this beginning phases of of this game I'm not completely sure. Everybody had their mind wrapped around. It was a game. I. Think People especially on lack of food. Lack of sleep your your your body's on in all fairness in survival mode, and I think they. I think it myself included. There were definitely glimpses for sure looking back of going man I. Even forgot it was game there for a minute. I think people forget, and you get to personally wrapped up in it you know, and and that's why they're not making these more strategic moves. They're not making these more alliances that make the most sense they're doing. It based off of the motion and not really fact again. If you were playing chess, you wouldn't get all emotional about it. But so I think as long as you're playing like a game of chess than then, why are we crying about this? What's his play now? Heidi, what happens on day thirty six, if Gina Actually? Quiz Is She manages about wedding. Hide even tries to commit the guy's a genetic kinda wants wants to quit. What happens on Day thirty six for Y'all's gain if I don't know I. Don't know if they still make us vote somebody out if if she quits or or she quits or not like I. Don't know how close she actually was I know. At one point. She was talking about it, but I'm not sure if like if she was talking about it like on the day that there was going to be a tribal council Heidi. Do you remember at all? Not, honestly, fairness. No I think it's a really good question. I remember her saying it, but not in. Not In a way of like I I'll put it this way not in a way that I believed it away. I think that was more like well. I'm just kind of done. Your set up with something, but but it's not. It's not as believable I think. She was fed up and not not convinced herself that she was done. But that's a good question. What does happen if somebody quits like that? I would agree I don't know. Do you have a tribal council in? The. Follow up. What's the next strategic move? If that's what you're getting at here, then okay now, Jin is out now now what? Yes and that's what I'm asking for your game in for rob's gain. What happens to your game? Who who moves up because I can actually? After studying your season. I can see you rob making it to the final two I. Really saying so then I'm thinking. What happens then well I would I would have said to rob. Let's just. said that to him, but rob might have been like okay. I'm going to say that to hide also going to say to Christina. Heidi probably would've won. In scenario like just looking at what that would have been, if Jenner would have left I. Still say have to vote out Heidi next because I'd rather go to the I'd rather go to the end with Matt or Butch, and then sit there with with one of those guys, because I feel like that you now sitting on the jury you have. Jen and you've Alex Dave in probably. Whether it's DNA or feels like that. There's there's another Heidi vote that's probably out there where I felt like that I had a better chance against the is. Yeah I. I think that's true. Because most people looked at Japan, is more of the same, see probably going to get the same vote torch you I, I think it's fair to say but yeah it, and even though actually Madison Awesome Person. I don't think he connected that much to a lot of people I just think the connection was missing. He actually is a awesome person. Yeah. So maybe you pick somebody that just isn't as connected. The people a Lotta. People they rewatch season. Say Hey, how come Matt? Didn't win wasn't Matt. Why? Why shouldn't Matt have one right right and? I think that he at least in the edit of the TV. Show that you know that he he came off probably better. Where felt like that? He didn't really you know have the kind of personal connection with people that Jenner had had a great. I think that, is it? I think the edit of Matt. It's not wrong. It's not a fair unfair edit. I he never really did anything wrong. He didn't. He didn't hurt people. He wasn't trying to be you know what I mean. He was a good good Gerson. It's just that he didn't connect with anybody and I think with that with the edit. It's so hard to show people that you're not being connected to like the human spirit I. Don't know how in editing how you show that now, so I think that's the in all of editing we can possibly do. That might be the editing job that can't be done. You know it's the connection, so he just didn't I just don't think he connected to people and that was it so. What was his peaking duck? Talk More about picking up the game out was he would talk about always like when? You Talk Food and that was. The most bizarre thing that he kept talking about like. When I get out of the game I going to get King Talk? Like really, that's it. That's what you're craving. We were dying. Because, we thought he was. And no, he he was not kidding, which which now of course I had never had that before. So of course, one of the things I had to try after was peeking. I still haven't had it. I don't think. Why would you yeah yeah? Oh my goodness, but yeah, so I think I. think that's the part is like if you're if you're talking more about Peking, duck than or strategy. You might not be connecting. Is that here's your sign. So but anyways he is. He's an awesome person I. think if you're trying to connect with him as as being a good person, he he, he truly truly is. but but strategy game wise I'm. Now, You can say the jury still out, but it's not. been decided. So. But yeah, that's that's an interesting question. I I would agree I. Don't know I would have thought that I would have said Yeah Let's let's let's do this looks you'll. You'll be my person that go all the way to the end with, but still knowing he probably say it. To. Butch and everybody else left on the show. I just wanted to get to the end. So. As, you should as you should. That's the whole point of the entire game. Okay so this I thought this was crazy. Interesting that you actually started by applying for the amazing race, so I'm GONNA, assume. The had you seen any of the survivor seasons before. Did you Binge Watch before mark? Vernet made that amazing. Call to you and I. Can't imagine getting a call from him. How that might make you feel, did you? Watch survivor at all. No, no, I I had heard about it in the media like Oh there. Is this this this guy that went naked and he won a million collars. You know like those kinds of stories, but no I had never seen it and I grew up on a on a farm. And you know you know how to you know you are surviving I mean when you have on a farm. In that kind of way, you are hunting every day. You are fishing everyday. You are doing cattle every day. You're doing maze and grassland every day. You're doing your farm. You're doing your farming so I never thought that. I think it's a funny joke that it famous comedian says that like we call it survivor when it when it's half half of the world's real life So That's how I kind of look at some of those. Some of those situations definitely not Third World because I'm not I'm not saying life is Third World Not by any stretch of the imagination, but the things. They're asking you to do on that show. are very much of a farmer mentality, and and what you have to provide food for your family so Yes, so when I was on when I when I sit in my tape with my GRANDPA, who was seventy at the time, but he could still run six miles a day, I mean he he's. He's a beast. one hundred percent military. The whole thing, so we got we did get picked. We got picked right away. They're like yet casting you for the for the amazing race in had never aired before. This would have been the first one. So I was like Oh, my gosh, this is amazing route camping at me and my grandpa out camping together, and then sure enough I get a call a day later two days later three days later. I'll be honest to can't remember, but it was not a week later. sane absolutely, not I I want you for survivor That's that's the final final. And I was like I don't WanNa. Do Survivor I don't even know what to do. You know what I mean. No kind of had to walk myself through those steps of what that looks like, and then they did. Tell me they said. Do yourself a favor and go watch one of them before you go. They also told me to gain weight, and I just couldn't believe that I was like. Wow, really. I need to go like go put on twenty pounds of fat. Is like. WHOA, how does one do that? You're twenty two years old, an absolute I mean tell me what to do. Should I be stuffing my face four bon-bons? What's happening here? I don't know It's not a life I knew it's it's. It was very very foreign to me. Now you tell me put on ten pounds. Do it my sleep but I. You know back, then you. It's very foreign. You don't know what you don't now. Heidi! Has the show ever contacted you over the years to come back on for other seasons after survivor the Amazon because I feel like that you certainly deserve to be. On the show again now that's sweet rob. That's sweet that you even say that. Yeah, they have contacted me. Lynn his reached out. A couple times. In a very kind way, she she does usually say, and I know you probably don't want to, but what would you? very very sweet way. who her and I have gotten very close over the years to, but but yes, they have asked me in. Thank you, but no, thank you has always. Answer. Because I always thought that you were going leading up to the all stars I really thought that you were going to be one of the people that was out there. I remember when we were all in Los Angeles for war. That we went out to the. Press Summer Press tour. We had lunch with len and we and she took us out for Sushi and I was like all right well, this is it it's going to be that. It's going to be the three of us going back out there, but then you weren't ultimately called yet. or or you said No. I think. It's so funny like don't remember these things until you remember them It's funny because I was on the call with Lynn about this win I was with Jenna. Yes, and she says she's like I mean. Do you really WanNa do this? Do. You really want to do this. I don't feel like your heart. And Soul is in this, and you have to think I was just getting off kidney failure at all. I and I said you know the fact that I am having so much hesitation. The fact that I am pausing every time we talk I, said I don't know if I have the guts and now again older version of me. Definitely have the guts to say what I want. I said I don't know if I have the guts to say no, but I don't. Could Honestly Lynn just helped me out. Help help me make the decision helped me you know so in I allot to win for that. She I really do I. Tell her this all the time. That I'm so thankful that she was like you know I. Don't think this is the right. Right decision for you I, I think this this is not. This is just not probably party your path, and again for how sick I was I'm just so thankful. She she was the voice of reason. Let's say that much I think. I think it was do I. Think I think she definitely knew my hesitation and at the same time. Maybe I wasn't a good fit. I know you also had a rough time with the show airing in terms of the edit, and some of the things that they selected to show you that the part of your character on the show. Yes, that that was that was that was tough to getting love impasse. It was it was it? I've never been attacked before I. Don't I've never been called up to that point in my life? ANYTHING UNKIND I try to be. I don't know I'm such an impact. put myself in everybody's shoes all the time. I couldn't. This goes back to what? I? What we started this conversation off with. I couldn't believe that people didn't understand. It was a game. Could not wrap my mind around that. People thought this was your real personality that that really did blow me away in editing is like yeah, everybody smart enough to know there's this thing called editing everybody. Wow, was I wrong. Oh, my Gosh! Really the beauty of editing is man. You can make anybody anyway anytime. You know it's it's wow again. I was very very naive I. I had no clue. I just had no clue. So you know I, I know you are an expert at survivor Robin and what goes on. How things go down here, I am never even watched the show before you know I didn't know. So and even the challenges. You're the one that had to explain them I didn't even know like when they had when ear like okay. You know what's going to happen. Next Tomorrow's challenges can be Blah Blah Blah I'm like Oh, it is okay. We'll thanks because I would have had no clue. Sometimes those right sometimes. You know the time you were most of the time you're right. Sometimes I think sometimes. They wanted to screw with you because they already knew and Clayton they changed it. Last minute. You would be right. Well. I thought about that actually I felt that also. I think it's not too farfetched. So yeah so I think they were becoming predictable with Europe they. Yes! So Heidi a know your your children are young are pretty young. Will you want have have? Have you watched? Have you in Col-? Robot survivor your season, and will you want your children to watch it and? How will you explain to them? The decisions you may now you remember your twenty four? Things. I'm sure we can all tell you. We've done early twenty, so you know. How do you feel about that? It's it's interesting I. Would I have no problem with any of the quote? Unquote the things that I did on the show like a actually. If you think of all the strategy that you kind of have to do when you're when you're losing weight, you're not thinking straight. You're dehydrated you've you guys know the drill Yemen slept? I. Mean we put one person through that what they haven't. They haven't had anything to eat or sleep in one day. And you see how crazy people act you know and let alone on Day twenty thirty. Whatever it ends up being so it's hard to wrap your mind around unless you are an impasse I. Don't think you can. Can Get that I. Don't think explaining that to people. They can even get it, so that's that's part of it, so so I'm not really anything I. Did on the show and how I voted off people in any strategy, I might have had. I would. I would stand behind it still to this day knowing no, even what I know now so I think that's kind of part. One part two is editing world. I know this, but I know my my children, no I'm you know kind and loving and very giving so I think they would see a different side of me on this show that they might start questioning like wow, was that really my mom? so I don't know I. Don't know again. They know me very well. So, it would be interesting. To to see that to see hey, guys, this is this is another either another side of me or just be aware that some people can view you in this light, even when you mean it a different way, people can still view you in any way that they want you know so. There's a learning less than in all of this to. you know and then some editing. They would show somebody else cussing which rob knows I've? I've never up until that point never said a cuss word in my wife I. Don't think so. So they would show somebody else cussing, but they would show my face so they were using associations. Gently using these things to make me look like a unkind person, so it's like wow, they would show my mulligans as my real stuff on TV. So? It's things like that with editing that you're like. Wow, it happened, but it didn't. It didn't happen that way, so I think they'd have to be a little bit older for them to really understand that things can be construed or or yeah like you. Tina like that. That's that is what I was thinking that's that's exactly what I was thinking and this is how I felt about it back then and. Yes I was younger, and and you know. We do stupid things when you were young, but we do stupid things when we're older. That's a fact so I. Don't know it'll. It'll be interesting, but no to answer they. Don't think they've ever seen it I. Don't know of Kohl's ever seen it. I know I know. We have tons of survivor. People listening to this and they'll be like what I can't I can't believe. That's true, you know. I love survivor. Why wouldn't you want to share that with them? but I think you're right I think they're too young. Even understand the strategy for one right now To Rob. You're right. I had such a tough time on that show. It's such a tough time wrapping my mind around. What had actually even Kinda happened to me? That I went through just tons tons of PTSD. And It's funny. My daughter was flipping through the channels one night. And it came on naked and afraid. Yes, okay, and it just starts whatever she's like Oh. Look at this, mom, look at the show and I'm like. Oh my gosh, that's really crazy. That's our show on steroids. Basically that is crazy and within thirty minutes thirty minutes. My Body already started going into full blown shock I had to Ra I had to go to the emergency room and my kidneys already every 'cause. Your cells remember trauma now I've now. I know this back. Then I didn't know this, but they remember trauma so the things that happened to me. It was like my brain was hard. Wired to go back to that human. It was the wildest thing. Oh my goodness. That's Yup. That's wow. It's well and even when I went to Thailand, it do the same thing because we were in Amazon, so I was put back in a rainforest situation we were in the jungle on these elephants, and we got to this one camp and you know I'm I'm healthy. I'm fine. I'm healthy, and by the Knights end already started having all all the symptoms. Symptoms I had from survivor all of them so now this is now happened twice to me already, so I mean the way we're wired and what our cells remember and even our brain. You don't think about it on your daily, but that's actually how much trauma that that that I had so it was. It's really crazy. You Know Heidi I. Hope that talking to us today about survivor. Set you back. No. Not Not at all, not at all. About, something else. I've learned I've learned a lot from knowing you know what what I'm supposed to. You know especially visual visual imagery especially can kind of get. You can kind of get you going, but no, no, no, no, no, I've been through. Way Worse. Things. It's just it's such as fat. I actually found pretty fascinating that that's what your your mind. Body Kinda resorts back to is Oh. This is what we do on TV. You would know you. Guys would notice Robbie married when you're pregnant for your first time, your body has no idea what it's doing. It actually goes into this crazy whimsical shock mode, and then you get pregnant baby to and you have gained forty pounds overnight. Your bog knows exactly what to do. So this is kind of like what's happening to me like my body knows exactly what to do when I'm in this environment. It's it's pretty wild, though so I it's fascinating and and knowing you know kind of your your cusworth yourself and your signals of okay. Let me talk my deescalate the situation. Let's talk myself back down from this so but yeah I've I've had some pretty great trips in the jungle sense that did not end up like that. Have you have you ever tuned in and caught any of the other seasons of survivor over the years. From I answer that question. She's having kidney failure, was she? She's got memories. No, she's. Very curious. I'm kidding with no. No, I think one. If I knew somebody on like that I, knew was on it, I would of course support them. Of course. I would I would support them in and say something, kind, or or do something but that would probably be. It'd have to be spar soon. but also rob, and you guys know I'm I I've been told it's it's changed so much craned I mean pretty drastically. It is a lot different a lot faster. It's a lot like game game game game game. Okay okay, so maybe I maybe I should watch it, and and have not a different appreciation for it, but a different view of now how they how they do things but I have heard. It's changed pretty drastically. So you know maybe I'll watch go. Oh, my gosh, it was you know I'm going to sound like an old timer. Yeah, that was nothing like us. You know you also have to watch a lot of baseball games. Well, this and a lot of a lot of. A lot of Disney? Yeah? So might an easy to fit it in. Over over the years that I know you've gotten to become very friendly with another survivor in. Stephanie League Rosa. Who? She is awesome, yes. Yup I I would consider her I'm not kidding. She is hands down one of my best best friends best friends we talk. A weekly we go on family vacations together. We we do just about everything together. And what? What are the odds that both of our husbands were pitchers for the Philadelphia Phillies? That is crazy so for anybody who doesn't know so at the time that. Cole was pitching for the Phillies then at the same time that. Kyle Kendrick was with seventy now. Did you introduce them, or is this a coincidence now? Total coincidence? Yeah, what are the chances that that's what I'm saying survivors? And married to two baseball. Players who were in the same of rotation team. It's crazy because back then too I only know this because Steph was telling me all about it that back then we were the only two people that had ever been on survivor that married a major leaguer, and it just so happens. It was to two pitchers aimed on the same team, are there. I'm sure I think we'll see I. Don't know rob you know this. Survivors Mary baseball players. See, so we still levy on, yes. We might be the only two. Wild. Yes! Oh Rob Steph told us. Steph told us raw that they didn't meet when they met each other. They didn't know that each other that they had been on survivor before. Is that Right Heidi? I think that's what Steph told us it. It probably is I. I mean again. I knew status and like from a rough, wasn't she? Around the season that we were on like maybe one, you would rate here. She was on season ten was her first one okay, okay years later two years later, and I knew how many people adored her I'd never really watched her show, but I knew so many people adore adored her then she. Owned a restaurant. I think in in the Philadelphia area. Yes with her brother I think at the time. And kind of did some radio staff, and so I knew my point is I knew she was in this area like in the Philly area, but never I think. She dated Kyle in the minor leagues. She'll tell you better than me, but ma- maybe even a year before I met her. So No, I really didn't even know who he was that they were dating. You know nothing nothing like that, so it was it was pretty wild and rob. You know this is true cheaper just because you're on something like survivor doesn't mean you're going to be good friends at all. If anything you, you might end up his enemies. Who knows? Honestly so. Just, because of that didn't mean I. have this kindred spirit that I was I was crazy about you know. She probably felt the same about me. So now the second we met we beyond hit it off and man. She is such a crackup. So. Yeah, that's really really crazy. y'All save to share a lot of things in calm and you post workout means or chilled your family's or real important to your children. Entrepreneurs looks like you know you both are. Busy as you are with everything else taking taking on more stuff. will say that's true in so in again in the baseball world you either tight the in. It's fine either way that you're probably any pro athlete sly. You're the type that follows them around everywhere in in that in that is your life, because that's how you're going to keep your relationship together, or you're somebody, it's like. Hey, you do your thing. I'll go D-, my thing in and. And! I are more like that. We're more like hey, go do your thing I'll meet up with you in Miami or wherever you know what I'm definitely going to do. My thing in my thing is usually obviously working. Definitely raising kids I really enjoy my family and friends, so she's the same way her host all the time. We were laughing I think one time in like. Two Thousand Twelve, two, thousand, thirteen. We are adding up all day. Somebody had not stayed in our home. Like actually wasn't staying with us. Buying was like nine days. The whole year and hers was like five. So her I clearly really enjoy having a lot of people around a so so we do have a lot a lot in common. She's actually going to be part of building this health right now, but she's going to be. The main postpartum pregnancy girl on the health APP, so so what even get to do a company together to some extent? What kind of opry or you're working on it? It is a health APP but I know before everybody rolls there is. especially with Kovic right now is, but that's, but it's that it's so much more. My my mom and my father-in-law, both had stage four cancer, and unfortunately my father-in-law passed away, but my mom did survives and in both cases. There there wasn't a lot of hope you know it's it's I. Don't know if you guys have had people with cancer club very close to you. Even Stage three. It's it's kind of iffy sometimes so and they definitely not telling you how to work out, and they're not telling you how to eat properly, and they're not telling you. Here's some other. You know second opinions and on and on and on the. The really not and I'm not sure they're allowed to, but but they don't. So I was like you know I just now. Your caretaker right is now left to scour the Internet looking for all these answers is like this is insane. This is insane that that I have to. You know to basic parents in the same situation I'm doing the same thing, so is it? Isn't there something out there? So that's what? Got Me to thinking about this health APP of. Wouldn't it be awesome if we could go to this APP and you put in whatever stage cancer you have, whatever type you have in, it says right there and certified by doctors PT's nurses, the whole gamut the Dietitians Yup. This is what you're allowed to eat this what you're how allowed to work out Here's here's other medical sources validated there. All everything has been. Credited and everything like that, and then it got me thinking. Wow, why stop at cancer! Sweet twenty seven platforms. Wow, so yes, I've been working on it for like two and a half years. and it should be done by January so it's it's pretty awesome in that way, not not in its. It'll just be awesome. Awesome tool for people really need that kind of help. At the that's mazing. There's enough hours a day for you. High. Do Not Sleep. ASKS, everybody really does ask and I do say I'm not. I'm very transparent I. Don't try to on telling you. T bird. If somebody's like oh I, bet you do this are a bit. You have the secret I. Don't know a chef and I'm like no, no, no, no first off I. Love Having people around me. Come on over, come on over to my house and I'm. I'M GONNA. Show you how I do it and you're gonNA. See Me Sleep, maybe two to four hours tonight and really walk. Yeah, and you'RE GONNA walk out of my house and you're going to go and how she does it, so there's no like people want you to say. They really want you to say. You have some little I don't know these magic little people working behind. The scenes That's not true. Don't get me wrong. I have an excellent excellent nanny that comes and helps me because I work. I have an excellent supportive team of friends and neighbors that these things are all true. but if you want to do as much as I get done in a day, you really are. You cannot afford the luxury of sleep I mean you really can't it won't. It won't get done. That's that's actually just it won't get done. So. You know and don't get me wrong I love to sleep, but I think you know after five kids. I left in a decade. So you know, it's true, right? Why not just us all that time to work and create something at night and that's what I do. I work of work a lot of nights. Heidi. I'm just thinking. You've accomplished so much. Not that just your. Five children raising five young children. What are you most proud of? What is the accomplishment at this point that you're most proud of? That's that's I mean. It's such a great question and I don't think we often stop. Long enough to. Evaluate that, but I've had to for how sick I've gotten throughout my drought. My Life's gigging really really really sick and seen others around you. Pass away, I think makes you evaluate. Very quickly and critically right you. You know this. This life is very short lived. So what? What am I going to do about it? I always tell people don't don't be a backseat driver of your own life, please, don't you know? Live out everything God gave you and that you wanNA. Do that's that's a lot of high energy. A lot of people that that exhaust them. You know so I'll have people around me. Stephanie included, and she'll be like Oh my God. I'm just worn out being around you. So I think that you kind of have to have somewhere to that personality, but back to your point cheaper to stop and think about. Okay if I've accomplished this, what do I want to do with it and is something that will make me not just proud, but I've got other people watching this such as five children. So I think if you know in in the nonprofit way of course wildly proud not of myself about the nonprofit weaknesses, but oh my gosh of the land owners that have had to give up their land for we own it. We own and operate a very large school in Africa, but the pride in me comes from the people that they were willing to give up their land to have a school for these kids. It's those kinds of things or your proudest moments. You guys know even with your kids out. Is Moment usually? Isn't you being parents watching your kid? Get the the home run of the game. It's watching your kid come home with A. You know a report card. That had an A. They never thought. They get, so it's it's really not. About you, it's about watching these things happen around you so if I had to name something just about me because I usually don't put me I I. Don't think a lot of us do. Would probably be building. The Publishing Company that I have in Nashville because that was not about anybody else. That wasn't about a kid or helping somebody or My whole life revolves around help helping others. It really does actually so. It was the only time in my whole life. I was like you know. What do I want to do what I WANNA do with my life. And, at the time I was just writing songs, I don't know how that even lead to one thing leads to another, but it did lead to me owning a publishing company, and and within a very short amount of time we, we are getting number one songs on the radio I. Mean so you're like wow, something just for me led to a great success, and that is kind of prideful of just me. The other things not so much. Heidi. Can You? How can you tell the story of how you and Cole ended up meeting? Because it is very, it's like a like a storybook fairytale story Oh my goodness and here we go with survivor. So it all ties back. Oh, no, it does it. Does everybody listening to any kind of trauma? Moments from survivor of this is absolutely a redeeming wants so. I think that's great because people go. Oh my gosh, what you regret doing survivor and I always say absolutely not never never a gazillion years. Would I regret it because look at all the things that have happened because of it so at the end of survivor. What Gin and I did quite a few things after survivor, one of the things that was offered to. To me, was Could I throw a first pitch at at these different ballpark summer, Major League summer, Minor League summer. Who knows where and you know at the time at the time? I really wanted to go to med school, so I was like okay. This is perfect. I'm going to save up all this money and be able to pay for medical school so. This is this is my whole thing just to save money as much as possible. So Yeah Heck! Yeah, I'll do it all throughout a first pitch. I also love baseball so soon. It really was a good fit for me. and it was thirty teams, and the very last team was the phillies. And I honestly can't remember what happened with the major, League. All Park was supposed to throw my point is it got rained out I can't remember if there's a hurricane or something something whether related happen. They said Hey. Will you go to our clearwater stadium instead I? Don't care I mean I'm getting paid. So what do I, care? So I go to the very last one I'm doing. It's number thirty and go to clearwater. And you the the drill issue throughout a first pitch, and then you you sit at the top of the stadium wherever robin in you know how it is, but then then the line forms of the survivor, fans and back, then what was it? Forty million people had watched our show I. Don't know it was it was a lot? I think this season finale. Forty five million, so a lot of people do know who you are, and in that space and the athletic space. A lot of people do go to games like that most of the time you are signing autographs for over four hours every baseball game. so this was one of those games and Cole saw me signing autographs and gets in my autograph line. And You know and you guys know you know what a survivor fan looks like in. You know what one doesn't look. and. It doesn't mean you're. Not, but there's a very specific type of person that is obsessed with survivor. It's usually a teachers firefighters kids. I list could go on and on, but but. Twenty year old men were not in that category you shall. Not a lot of minor league baseball players that we hear from. Rob Is podcast. No not not so much right so so here we go. You just know so. Yes, this very. This very cute boys in my line and and I do say to. I'm like I'm sorry. There's just no way you are a survivor fan. And he and he does say no I'm you fan and I was like Oh. Okay, what? Know. Would you like to go on a date with me? I'm like I'm so sorry I. Don't live here. You now know the people that were watching me. Vouch for him so much. They're like he's the kindest person Heidi. Please please go on a date with him. So I do say hey I just I. I moved I lived in La at the time, moving to Missouri back to Missouri to go to go to this mets. Go I wanted to go to. Moving back to Missouri enlist you. You can fly out to Missouri and taking you on a date. Weeks later two weeks later he flies out to Missouri takes me on a day. So That's how we met. And being twenty twenty years old, he wasn't even twenty one. So to do that as a twenty year old kid is is ballsy, you know. Yeah, I didn't realize that. You were you were older. Oh Gosh Yeah I didn't realize that a either OB- thing. He wasn't about ready to tell me that information you. Remember I never drank I'd. I didn't drink so so you know. Drinking was in a thing. I wouldn't have been able to gauge his age of drinking I didn't drink. Yeah, so so it never came up. It literally never came up I. Think we were dating for. Gosh we six months before I knew he was. Oh, my goodness, and yes, when he told me yes, I freaked out. So Heidi once she started dating was that it did y'all ever. Other people or did you? Know. That I stay at that very first date. He said he goes. You're the girl woman Mary I did say I believe you. What year was that Heidi two, thousand, five to six? Gosh. Now. You'RE GONNA. Make me think he's. GonNa, he's GonNa note the exact date. We got married in two thousand six. He's GonNa. Know the exact date Robin here I am like. I think August Heidi Heidi I know the exact date December thirty first. Didn't you get married to simple? WORD THAT'S THE WEDDING? The wedding, but the dating I wouldn't say August of. Two, thousand, three, two, thousand four, he would now it was two, thousand, three or two thousand four. Yeah, it was two thousand four. Two Thousand and four. We got home. Figure it out. Well we'll see here. We are figuring out the world's problems. Yeah. Now. That's really a wild story. That's a great. That's wonderful story so Heidi this interested there's. So, many things I wanna ask you about, but I want to ask you about a survivor when you start playing because I. noticed you mentioned about being from Missouri that you moved back to Missouri so I'm wondering I say that you had another another player on. Survivor Amazon Janet. From Missouri now, of course, she was the first one y'all voted out to John like get together. Say Hey, how many people played survivor from? Missouri should report a bond or something and Bam there she she, she's gone. I couldn't believe it I off that she was of course I thought this can. This is going to be awesome. She's GonNa know. All the stuff I do I'm from southern Missouri and very I mean isn't the best white very few people from southern Missouri. It's like meeting people from Arkansas. Oklahoma you don't. You don't meet many of them. so I'm from southern Missouri which is in fairness, vastly different from from northern Missouri. You know if you said I'm from Saint. Louis or when you say I'm from people say Oh, Saint Louis, and in it's drastically different Branson Missouri is nothing like that so so she was raised more more northern Missouri in, and wasn't raised on a farm, or any of those things that she it was about as sweet and hind as it gets. And begged, really truly begged to get fat show she she did not. It wasn't I'm telling you shoes. She is still one of the sweetest people I've ever met my wife actually she did not have any. No, no once she was there, she she kept saying this is this is over my head. This is too much. This is too much. I did not know it was going to be like this I did not know is going to be. This tough didn't know we'd really starve. I don't blamer. I didn't know those things. I think we were all freaked out I'll be honest. I think most of us were pretty freaked out. Yeah but Heidi you'd never seen it. You'd never see now shows before I wonder chatted never saying him either. Maybe call Jane To. One of the big controversies from survivor, the Amazon was going back to your camp at job. Ru that many fans still to this day wonder. How did the GRANOLA BAR WRAPPER? Get into the job route can't. Did you have any thoughts on this over the years? I have not thought of that moment. Ever I wish I had because now. You're giving me new things to think about and I love I actually loved thinking on such a thinker so now. Thank you for that Robin. I still to this day. Don't I I don't know I. I and I mean it. I would not just think anybody would fessed up by now I think I mean I haven't thought about that moment. Never, but no one was had nothing to do with it I didn't even know what was going on like I'm sure actually. I was like. Wait a minute now. What's happening? I thought that when the humor people put it there just because of everybody's reaction to it, it was so odd and oddly timed and oddly found. was like that. That's weird I mean it really was it was? It was almost too coincidental. You know what I mean. And you know you, I think I think you genuinely know when somebody's lying or telling the truth or Earth reaction just reaction to it. But then who knows some people that are doing something in the wrong overly react like it, wasn't them. So, it's so hard to say. I thought okay well. Maybe the camera people did it there to put. The crew put it there to create a controversy right like to divide us to to point fingers all these things I mean actually it was my first thought but then as time as time went on I. Think the camp within our so thought and I mean is in the best way but Chrissy was was death. Is Death an? Maybe? She didn't understand all the rules of the game because there were so many things. That that were not explained her. She didn't have an interpreter there. I mean I can't even imagine being put in her shoes in all fairness, not even having interpret. Did she know. Did she know we couldn't bring food waters? You don't trying to say. She wouldn't have done it. On purpose in Heidi, but we're y'all for Africa's just the third season, and I don't know if it has anything to do with beef jerky with Kale. Way were searched. We were searched every single place. Our bags are person Yup everything up. Surely season six hour as well. I twice the mystery. T. Bird. That's okay, thank you. This goes back to my first hunch was it was planted I still firmly believe that I'm just saying if there was another way if there was another way I. Don't think it was done on purpose I think it was I think it was just an honest mistake lost in translation I. Don't think that the show would have planted it i. mean it is possible that. Like somebody on the crew dropped it i. More than that, it was planted. Much going on, I don't think they would need to sort of like. US make that SORTA drama unfold. I, you know I never know our remember. Maze or maize also had the hole in it that that let water in it the whole time. Some old was in it by. The the maniac. Yes, yes, yes, so at the same time. You're thinking of all these things like okay well. If you didn't want us to starve, you also aligned it with like I would have liked that with something so that water couldn't have gotten into it now. We are starving to death These are the things you are thinking of while you're applying. It's like okay. These things probably and I mean it because I think we're playing a game. These things probably have been planted. They probably already. Thought of all this stuff of how of how are we gonNA react. How are you going to form a team? Are we going to overcome? Something like this. Is it going to bond us more so I always thinking like that like? What's next? What are we supposed to be prepared for? How are we supposed to think? How are we supposed to react again? 'cause I in such a i. really do enjoy thinking a lot. I probably have over over thought this over allies until I totally forgot about the GRANOLA bar thing. I don't know that is really really interesting. Though I would love love, and by the way with all those cameras on us, how was it not picked up? That's another interesting question. Or good questions I mean you know what the editing God's definitely no. They aren't saying. Yup Yup Heidi, so. Interested to ask you something that Jenner had said and get your opinion on. It was actually Kristie. Smith you mentioned Christie, who again made today? Thirty three, which I think is quite quite remarkable. Kristie had wanted she wanted an explanation from Jena because I think Jenna had made a comment that she was help that she was handicap because she was beautiful. And of course you can see what Christie may have gotten Christie's attention so I'm asking you I. Mean I think Jenna said she felt judge sometimes because you know, maybe people thought she wouldn't is smart or straw, because she was a swimsuit model so right? Have you ever thought it because you are a beautiful beautiful woman, very? Have you ever felt that your beauty was a handicap. That's interesting laughing rob. On laughing because I, also, Heidi, occasionally, a lot of people are on during this time of quarantine. Go back, and they watch the old seasons, and they and they say something about like Hey. When US rob I just watched the season, and you said Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. Like and like well. You look for okay. Twenty years ago, I was twenty four like I said so I did something dumb and. That's that's you know. Look. We're also not fed. It's you know what I'm saying, honestly, even when I am fit. I definitely say things that are that are completely backwards all the time. And it's because my mind is racing. All the time by my mind is literally twenty steps ahead of even my mouth, so a lot of things do come out that I'm like. Oh my gosh, that's not what I meant, or maybe I did let me rethink that there's so many times you guys know. If the cameras on you twenty four seven. You're GonNa say something just so stupid. You just are you really really are, but but in that case. Yeah I I don't think I. Don't think I was there for for Chin. Saying that in and it probably showed that and I can side. I think it was that a tribal council I think. if I remember the clip correctly, t-bird right I'm not exactly sure saw I just thought it was interesting that Christie of all people because even Heidi said I. don't Even Know How Christie Got Mitch today thirty three. You know with having you know with began hard of hearing so. You know I, just thought what a great question for somebody like Christie to ask and. I just wanted to know if what Heidi I think I think it was two fold. You know. Yeah, I think I think your your question is is. Is You know you're you're kind of screwed, no matter what you say if. into to some level, but you know for for Christie one she she can read lips really well then when the guy's not. When the guys were going out, their beards couldn't shave was she lost the ability of reading their lips? Because their beards covering up their mouth. So you would have to get point. Yes you would have to dark at six o'clock at night. Yes, yes, so she couldn't read in the dark. She couldn't lips in the dark CB by the fireplace to see if she if she could you know. Make sure she could read, so you have to think okay now. We're in a game now. We are surviving now. You are hungry. You haven't slept. In some not seen always some your moral code goes out the window of look. I'm just trying to survive here, too. So for me to stop every single five minutes or ten minutes in turn to you see, you can see not just my face, but hey, are you okay? Are you okay? Are you okay? Did you hear what the group just said? In our normal lives? Of course I hope I hope most of us would be empathetic. But when you're in a game and you're doing it twenty four seven. I mean it is difficult. It is very difficult to make sure somebody can constantly hear. See Myself included by the way you know when when everybody's talking. You can't hear all these voices in the dark. You can't see needs, so she she. I still to this day. Don't know how she did it. I! Really I really don't so I think that there's maybe she would say differently, but I think there are back then you do have some grudges about that like okay, so everybody else is getting to hear and see what what's going on, and I'm not you know. And why are you guys paying more attention to that more attention to me and my needs because? That in her daily life, people are making sure she. Can you know understand what they're saying? So? That just would have been so so so tough to put yourself in that situation. You know. Take serious series guts to do that. So? I think that's one side of the coin. And then the other side of the coin is of course when you are attractive like Jenna that people automatically assume thanks about you that are not necessarily true in most of the time in my experience or not true at all. so yes, now where I find myself in that Bo is in business, and it's not because my tractive or anything like that. It's actually just because I'm a woman and I mean the nicest way I am. Not a feminist or I love men I. Definitely Love Min I heard some of my very best friends. You will find many times in a business setting that if it is said by my counterparts that are men, or by my husband, it is taken way seriously way more seriously than if I had said it, and so I really. I started looking into that. Okay, let's not let's let's not play the blame game. Let's let's look into that. Let me educate myself more about that made either. Either a different vocabulary I should be using in business meetings for these people to be more assertive, so I think it's constantly educating myself. I'll take ownership of that that I'm not being taken as seriously as my male counterparts, so I will take ownership of that. And what is that look like I? Have Gotten better at it. I definitely have 'cause. I'm really try to educate myself on it, but the other side is you know it's still very? Relevant right now is that I understand where people are coming from a lot of times, and by the way all flip the coin and put myself in the males, percents, shoes and a lot of times they're not allowed to show human emotion so when they are getting upset in a business meeting, and maybe one of the women are crying. Being upset about you know being having hurt feelings. Men Aren't allowed to do that, so I I see it from all sides I really try to, but if we're just talking about my point of view, I do get it in business meetings where something pretty serious and pretty heavy has to be out and If if one of my male counterparts says it's, it's I hate to say it's almost like God has spoken. Heidi make a lot of really good points about this, and it's something that I know. You're not watching the modern seasons of survivor, but it's certainly something that we talk a lot about in terms of the Worlds of survivor, where there are a lot of tribes where you know, the men are sort of like more, a little more able to be able to give their opinions on matters, and like come up with the plans and. A Lotta Times that. If a woman ends up suggesting something she's considered bossy or being a target, or at the end of the game of that this was a big part of the last season of that there was a lot of discussion about how the jury views moves that get made by men versus moves like it made by women so. IT IS A. Very topical and relevant in the World of survivor to. I love that I do love that because I'm I'm having the same things in a in A. Many many business meetings and don't get me wrong. I have plenty of men plenty of men. especially my companies with that respect me in my word is just as good as theirs it. It definitely has but I would agree that there's also been plenty of times. that that not and you are right. You are looked at a different white boss. See Assertive, and you know for women. T bird for women look. We're trying to balance it all. How do I be? How do I be assured of enough, but not a bitch, right? How do I be a motherly enough, but but not mother Theresa I always call it Snow White. How do I be motherly enough, but not snow white. Where you're just you know you're doting over somebody twenty four seven You know it's just this constant balanced women are trying to do and I think giving it back to men to I think they're finding themselves more in a balancing role of how do I become successful in whatever their version is successes, but still be a great dad. How do I get home? Home to be at all those gains for for my kids or whatever their their sporting activity is How am I? How are my emotions? Just as valid as a women's so I I have boys I. Have Voice I'm really sensitive to this. I'm always telling them. It's okay to have feelings I need you to cry I need you to come to me and say I'm hurting because of fill in the blank. So I. Think these are valuable lessons. We need to start teaching our children. I tell my girls all the time. Speak your mind. Speak your mind whatever it is, but you don't have to Satan a tone. That's angry. Speak your mind and make sure it's respectful to everybody in the group. So these are the things that if I'm if I'm inputting the situation all the time, the knees, a parent needs to start doing this with my own children. Heidi, so let me ask you correct me on this, but I love the topic and where we're going with this, you are country music songwriter. Have you noticed this because I think it seems like from female songwriters. It seems like it's been a male dominated field. Have you felt this? You know with being a songwriter now the difference between. It is and I I've. As much as as much as I love writing songs as much as I, really do, but I'm I've moved over to publishing even more which which is the ownership right of of of these songs, and so now I'm in kind of a different role so to speak of who am I going to sign you know who who do I think's GonNa have the next number one I mean. That's how you have to look at it in so because that's that's the name of the game, so so most of it is men most of the. Gosh all the top writers, all of them are men. So then. If you're going to say okay well I'm going to bet on somebody. Will I'm ready out I'm a female owned and operated company, but I'm going to bet on this guy because he's the best. Right now he's the best now when we look at singers right. The actual entertainer and in the women are struggling with with the men. I only know this from other people that I work with in in the company that we that we work in in the field that we work in his okay, so I'm going to have a a male and a female. Let's put them side by side, and I'm just telling you the way. It's been explained to me this this is I, actually have equal amounts of male on female, so it's not true for my company in entertainment space. It's not true, so, but in other people it is. Is True I'm going to put them side by side in the mail is usually going to kill themselves. Do Anything and everything it takes right beyond the road twenty four seven. The female is going to kill themselves. Do everything it takes be on the road twenty, four seven, and what's probably going to happen to the male versus female? The female is probably going to get married I in the females is probably going to have a baby I and the females probably GonNa have family. I did not go on the road anymore. So, there's some other family ties here that that these companies are. Of you have to think usually. Don't get your investment back until ten years most of the time with these artists, so if that's true, am signing you at twenty two, the chances of you go off the road by thirty two or high if you're a female So I'm just saying there's other things that play into this. It doesn't mean those women shouldn't be been. Given equal opportunity, they should they will they will buster ask just as hard as a man. Some you guys know most the time more so but but there are some other things that females are asking for more than the male counterparts. Now if we again if we reverse this paradigm reverses conversation, men probably should start asking for more family time, and then it would change some of the conversation as well. And we changed some of the dynamic as well. so it is really really interesting, but. Some awesome female artists are up and coming. and other female artists hit number one. What a couple couple of weeks ago! With a great song so it's been awesome to see that Carly Pearce just hit number one this week, so we are starting to see some females. Really you know really take it on, but I will say from the company's point of view. You can see why they're. They're willing to bet more on the guys in a lot of ways. How do you have a one particular memory from survivor that your most fond of? Oh. My goodness. You know. It's probably going to say I. Don't know it probably seems cliche but. In life, it's all the little moments. It's really not this big grandiose thing that happened that you're like. Wow! That was awesome. I don't know why, but I always go back to us. Just us being a group where where we really weren't having to take sides I think it was a break from the game for minute, and we were just trying to think of how to spend our days like you. You know so I always had chronic SCIATICA. Before before this. Not One day, not one day in that game. Did I ever ever have SCIATICA ever? So I. Think what I'm saying is. There was a different stress that got relieved from me and we were just trying to figure out. How to play a game with sticks and rocks, you know and making up new stuff with sticks and rocks, and and what are the? What were the? What were the nuts to bobby bobby? She's nuts zoo. Yeah, obviously, thanks rob. You say you'll know better than me. Yes? You know and making up that game of okay. Who's going to get the werm? Just I hate to say sound so so innocent slash maybe mildly stupid, but It really wasn't something that I was like. Oh, my gosh, remember when that happened. I think it was all these little moments added up to. Being around actually amazing people getting little insights into their real life, not as playing a game like Oh. Wow, I didn't know that that's what was going on with you. Thanks, thank you for sharing that with me. That's pretty special and I'm getting to see why you really got picked for the show and you're. You're allowing me to see that right now. So I think those are all the little moments. I kinda hang onto. Yeah, the most fun was like the first half of the merge basically like from when we merged until when Dina got voted out that that works like probably like probably probably i. Nine days basically like through Roger through Dave, and then ultimately by the time that Dina got voted out and you know I I remember the day like it all. It was that Alex and Geno we're off on her award. And you and I were with Dina and Christie. Andina started talking about how hey? Like I think we gotta make the move on Alex, and like this is not. This is not going to go great. This is not gonna go great, and then you. And I could I could see the whole thing was unraveling at that point. Yes, I would completely agree with you and you are right. Those were some of the stays in in in all those days I would I would take that. It wasn't a food challenge I. Think Food was just actually given to us like that picnic. That was made murder. Okay then yeah, that would have been my favorite moment. Just probably one I was being fed ya the two. It was again. It was a break from the game. It was just a break where you're like. Okay. Nobody's trying to strategize right now. We're just trying to eat. Right so I agree that that was my favorite. That was actually my favorite part, but I would agree with you. I didn't think about zoning out Alex Hill. Nina said it, and you could see their their. That was one of the massive plays of that game. That was a massive massive move of that Game Yeah Yup. It was a big deal t-bird. That one that one kind of set the tone I think actually for a lot of the rest and little. Dina Nell that, she would be you wish she next or was it was? It was an overreach on Dina's part because then once that really turn the tide where Deena wooden I've got voted out next, but then you started talking to Jenna and then Alex was like Hey That's it. We gotTA. DNA like Oh. Boy, this is really complicated. Yup, it was complicated because I was like. Wow, if if we were supposed to be the group. Turn on the group this early We gotta get her out yeah yeah, but then had you seen it? Like you said, unravel from there, you know. I think it would have been a little more calculated, but regardless she would have wanted Alex out. One way or the other was it was? It's what shifted. It's shifted. Everything was was Dina saying something and not not that she shouldn't have that that was definitely shift. Yeah, I think that you know. What I thought was an incredible player. Also I think she should have done was i. think had some sort of like one on ones about that instead of pitching. That's one of the things about survivor. Where you have. You have a big idea for something. That's really radical like. Don't pitch it in a group. I think that you wanted sort of like. Have those like one on one suggestions where? I if Dina says to you one on one, what do you think about voting at Alex? You can say like I. Don't know that's kind of crazy, but in a group it's harder to sort of push back. Bad idea it's it's funny. You say that so before because I knew I was getting voted out, but before I got voted out I told butch in Christie's. Next, yeah, I said I did I went to them individually, and I said I just need you know you guys are next you're. They didn't believe me. They did not believe me and they both after the show were like I. I like I would have given anything to to. Like I should have believed you. My point was okay well. I know you to our next. So why don't you guys vote with me? You guys are going to get voted out. You're going to get voted out as soon as I'm voted out. That's what's going to happen. They were so convinced. Jinnah was going to be next right and then, and then I said Okay and then what then it's going to be between Matt Rob Christine Butch then what? You know. What would your master plan after that they didn't have one. It really just didn't have one. So that's where I couldn't wrap my mind around. That is like hey, just come over with me and Gina won't get rid of everybody else. which was really just you and Matt? And then and then right then there. Heidi, then what nicer because and I and I would help. I would held onto genetic. I think what have I. Haven't asked her, but I said I I swear I'll I'll actually ask if you hold onto all that I will vote. However, you guys need me to vote. Because you believed in me enough. Yes, and I will gladly give him even even if my vote was Jenner, even if my vote was generally and I told you in the same thing. Hey, even if they everybody decides, it's meat and you guys to make it me will. You did a really great job in that. In the vote ultimately, we're Christie is going to get voted out where that you a? You really did a good job of giving her a lot to think out where that my my pitch to her was after we voted on, Alex was okay. We'll put out Genevan Heidi, and then, and then we'll go to the final four, and you were really pushing but Christie come with us. You go to the final three. and. She was she was like well crazy. She went back and forth. But but you need to get past. It would have been a three three tie. And so potentially we go to some sort of tiebreaker, which is like drawing the rocks and I. Don't know if she necessarily wanted to do that. And I think it was also important too Kristie I think she wanted to be. The last woman left at. That was like an important thing for her, and we were supposed to say hey, come with us. It's final four. You don't know what's going to happen. You'd be the last woman standing they were you know. You could say that you were you got past. Jen and Heidi and but you guys. You were making a very compelling offer to her and I think you really were in her head to the point where? She really was going back and forth. You couldn't make up her mind what she wanted to do. Well because I kept you're right, but you're very compelling I would because it was because it was real honest because I, said come with Jinnai, and she did say that you're right now three on three hundred. If you come with US get, I'll get your Matt. I'll get him to sway. And she was like I and I said all you have to do is go with me. Say Your Matt. I need your vote. They will they will I really think Matt might have. I mean you don't know you still don't know who knows you know what I mean. I said so just do it this way. Trust me. You're again the final four. Don't you want to be the final three seven by then honestly? You guys can vote me out just because I gave you. My word gave You my word. You can vote me out. I'll give you my word that I will even ask everybody to do so and then t bird. What happened was that I was having a nervous breakdown about what was going to happen and then I finally said okay well, what? What and it just sort of came to me like? What if we just vote out Kristie? If if? And I went I went to Genoa and Heidi and I said to them. Hey, let's just truly just voted Christie and they were like okay. Great. We love it. It was a great plan. And had to swear, but they didn't trust me I. Swear to them. that. They were that it was gonNA. Work Yup Yup. And do you remember she couldn't make up her mind so so? Was Torn Bob was like wait a minute? This could be the serious kink in my master. Plan is that it's going to be three on three and the unknowing of that three on three I think is what was killing rob. So. At least you knew you were still in control of the game by Tristan he didn't really know what the Tiebreaker was going to be in how how that was going to work because in really the way that it was going. To work out where we had seen like the purple rock that had happened in in Marquesses, but what was SORTA unclear was that if it was a three three at the final six? If you guys put three votes on me and we put three votes on you, then it. The way it woulda worked is that if there's another tie, then you that the people that had the three boats would be immune, so had I known like exactly how that works. I might have been like. Oh well. It's going to be then all this Jack it'll be. An agenda had immunity so it'll be, it'll be butch and cristy and Matt. That will be pulling a rock out of the bag. which you know it's sort of like who knows how that would have gone, but. Yes. It was very tense, but you guys trust me. I! We did we did I. Mean One. It could have gone three ways right. They're going to do the tie which would have been three on three and the irony that had been the three girls against three boys. and that is one thing we kept saying to. You know. We came in this way. Let's go out this way now. Let's just hang on. Hang on for dear life to each other here. so so that was one thing convincing her. Maybe I could if we got her hundred percent got her I was pretty certain I could go to butcher, Matt and convinced him to come over, so I was like okay then I. Actually think we'll be good. You could tell. She was completely conflicted about it I knew you knew now is going to be three on three and actually again for you to get control of the game again. If you vote Kristie you already now, no against to. Come to me and said Hey, we got Christie. You WanNa. Vote Out. Butcher met I might say okay. Yes, but Christie wouldn't have lied to you and she would have said I. I'm undecided because she was undecided till that moment, but if you guys said to me, Hey, let's vote out butch tonight Christie is on board I would've. I would've probably would have said okay. Let me think about that, because maybe maybe that Matt and Christie would go back with me the next time. This trail. WHO EITHER WAY EITHER WAY! It was good. It was a good powerful. I just wanted to go. Yeah I know I. Know You didn't so. It was a good move for you to have control again of the game, which was the three onto, so yes Freddie Sunnyvale? Feel pretty good that we're. I feel like we're getting some unfinished business right now. I think this is going to be a good thing I'd. Rob I've gotta ask her so tell me about you. Jen I had such an amazing relationship and also wanted to say borough say that. Let me say this I think that's the interesting thing about season, not returning seasons when you play with new seasons. Nobody knows each other so Heidi when you say I told. I told Birch I told Matt I would give my word and I would have not turned on that because that's how you are. That's how you play. But when you're playing with strangers, you really don't know. Can We trust rob I mean? He's saying he's given us his word, so I think that's. The interesting part with seasons we are when you go back to US people that have played the second time. You pretty much kind of know how they're going to. If you can trust them, but yeah, you're planning the first time around with these people you don't know you. You don't know it's over like Oh. Yeah, Shoulda trusted him. That's right. That's so true with Jinnah. Are you in Jena? Are You at Janus? Are you guys still? Do, they have stayed in contact over the years with each other we we had I really had for a while. Especially when it was over, we did so many things we got booked. We got booked for physically for so many things together the that we were very very close for a long and then or paths, just kind of like because we. Quite literally live very very very different lives you know our paths just really drifted apart so but I. Still I mean I think I think she's amazing I. Think I wish her all the best. It's just our lives. Don't our lives don't match up anymore. You know which I think happens to a lot of people I. Think what Bush reaches out to us once a year kind of thing. Alex reaches out to. Kinda year maybe every other year I haven't heard from Sean I. Don't even know how long so I think that that's just what happens, but Dave. Dave and I were really really close for for really long time, and then he, he got in a horrible surfing accident. That really took took a turn on him. a lot of ways. So. There's just audited. I don't I really don't know. I would love to tell you. Yes, doing going but I. Think I think. Maybe he got I think I. Think Maybe did get married either. and this was even after the accident so I. I'm hoping so, but I haven't heard from him since so. Yeah, there's just there's a lot that goes on there, but t bird. You are right about the trust versus not trust I could be wrong, but I think. I think there were a couple of us. That definitely knew who to trust in and who not to trust in in our season, but I would have trusted rob until he showed me a different hand and I go into every relationship like that though I would've trusted Dean, until she showed me a different hand. You know so so want somebody shows you that hand now. You are right back to your point. If you're GONNA, play another game with these people. We already know what they're capable of so then you know that's probably how they're going to play the game again. So? I can see that being a massive disadvantage. Rob. Would you give if you had told Heidi whatever you told her? Even if they'll had got to the final? Three together or the foul together. Would you have been true to your word. I mean if I made a deal with her. Yeah I think I think I would have been the only time the only time that I. Lied to hiding Janna was when I voted out Alex and it was because that he said that he was going to go with them in Joel Jenin Heidi instead of me when we got down to four, and that was really you know I mean I kept my word on. We were going to vote out Kristie. So fifty percent of the time. Every every time. Page I'm kidding I'm kidding that wanted to Alex. vote was was glowing. Because I was so. Loud. Oh, my Gosh I. Just think and I both worked. We were so blown away by that decision. Again now is my. Older self in well-fed self on I'd have been like yeah. I mean if you're gonNA. Play this game. That's again. That's what you should have done That's you made the right move. It's just so funny to me when you're when you're really in the thick of it. You. Know everything that had transpired in terms of like. Like my conversations with Alex. Now absolutely I don't think did either need I. Don't think either of US knew your conversation with Alex who it was. Like equally as shocking. Wow I didn't even know all this happened. Yes, but I also felt like that. The on one side were the people who were the bigger threats to win also as like boy. I like I would love to sit at the end with you know, Christie, or or Matt or butch I'm like I. Feel like like I'm coming in fourth place on the other side, but I feel like that boy. I'd love to go to the end with any of those guys right right right now. Definitely played it the right way, but I would agree I think whatever you say. you know is is is how you're going to vote I. Remember telling people I thought. I told days like really. How are you going to vote Heidi? You might you might be my only vote tomorrow. And then I was like you know what because I'd be your only vote I would have been okay with it right like I might be the only one that voted voted for anybody random. I just would have thrown a name, and just just because because I cared so much about him that I was like you know what this is interesting as a friend. Right like as a real friend. I'm not supposed to put your name on that card. But because I've already given my word to everybody else that I would. Then what do I do what's the right thing to do? What's the right thing to do? And I told him that I said already. I gave my word to. To. So many people you know I i. don't know what to do here. That was very. That was probably the most conflicting vote and I had. My vote wouldn't have mattered young. I'm saying I wouldn't mattered. I already knew he was getting voted off. So why not put any other name down? Except it would've showed all you guys that I could have been a traitor. Who who throughout other? Who did it? You know, so? You're constantly thinking about stuff like that. He can you tell us a little bit about what you have going on on Instagram I? SEE The a ton of workouts for people well these. Amazing. Okay. Thank you. Oh my God hiding so i. Love that your your. Videos are very. Let's see how they're slow. They're very deliberate. All your motions are very deliberate and you can follow him and. I told you this I. was showing my twenty four year old, which is funny? I was thinking. You've worked twenty four. When you play my daughter Elliot's twenty four, but I said Ellie look at these, and I loved that there's so slow and deliberate, and you can really watch your stance your form, okay. I didn't mean to interrupt head to say them out to her. Now that's that's so. That's so sweet, so this goes back. Thank you for. For that by the way this goes back to the health. APP that I'm building the it's called reality. Check because we all need one. We all think we're all sitting here. Trying to be something not. We're all sitting here like Ranna Wish I looked twenty years younger. Whatever the thing is, and then we look up all these instagram or facebook people and they've all got filters slapped on them, and they've all got I. Don't know swimming filter is. Is, it takes pounds off your body I don't know. Use It so I'm just sitting here like people need something real, and I'm not saying it I'm saying this APP. Is this APP is real? It's okay, so if we're going to sell this is how to do workouts with somebody cancer. The people we have are really have cancer. The people we have really have high cholesterol We've got a couple of girls that that aren't going. Going to make it much longer because they have stage for we we have the real deal is my point. That's the reality check. We're not all trying to look like a eighteen to twenty four year old on instagram. Maybe we are but if but you actually should try to be the best version of yourself, so that's why we came up with reality. Check so that's what these workouts are. You are right. They are very deliberate because. Again I have a I have. A degree in exercise is nets the exact science behind working out? There is an exact science to losing weight. It's it's not complicated. People think it is, but it's not so. It's these very specific moves in a very specific way, and actually the most not me, but some of the most shredded bodybuilders will tell you the same thing. It's actually you think Oh. I'm just making up something. A squad pulls four times well. How long you hold the pulse why four times? There's actually an exact science behind it, so it's this whole thing that if you really know it, you can comprehend it. You can make up very effective workouts for people. So that's what I love about. It is getting all the feedback from people like I've already lost. Twenty pounds already lost thirty pounds. Hide thing. You. Back on survivor Heidi. Not Me but the people that follow the people are saying. They'll say hey already lost thirty pounds. Just following you. Thank you for showing me workouts. Because like set during your home and I can really do them. These are supposed to be complicated I. Mean I can really do these and all laugh at myself all the time. Hey, guys tried this workout. It went awful. But they really are supposed to be things you can really do. You can really try. They're not supposed to be boring I try to mix it up, but there's a very specific science behind it. And that's really it and what what you eat, of course, what you eat is almost eighty percent of the battle so but yeah I I love doing it. It's free, right? It's free from my instagram. Creates a check that out, so Heidi tells sure instagram name. Sorry, yes, he I'm off with this Heidi underscore hamels. Hamels has won him. And Yep and they're on there and. And I really. If you actually not, you guys fit whoever's listening if you go on there, I actually do respond just about every single person because I don't sleep. I'll stay up till four. Even responding to people be like. Tell me what I should eat tomorrow and I come up with a whole plug again for free, but I come up with a whole plan for them, and this is how you do it, and on and on and on I really I just love helping people and a love scene that people get something good. You know there are some really good. People left in the world. There really are so I. I love seeing them. Love that reflect that you know how horrible social media can be and I will tell you I have the opposite. I have the opposite response. I have so many women and men on their specifically women that are. Such champions in motivators and cheerleaders. Always pumping you up and always say the kindest things, and it's like. Wow, wow, I did not expect that, so I think that's been think it's been pretty awesome. Rob I can tell you that what she's saying right now is one thousand million percent true. Because this I had sent her. I sent her a message on instagram. I just I said I want, and then literally within no Tom I. Don't know what time was, but it was like one or two in the morning. She asked me right back. Okay well. This is. True. Heidi Heidi I gotta ask high off. See Heidi I've seen your workout and you're going to be inundated with people out sending you messages on. Tonight. Though I live four. Tell me your. Tell me about your nutrition program because you're feeding five kids I mean. Do you just? I know the list. Especially once they look at your instagram page and see how you work. Oh, my gosh. Nutritional habits. We Really. We are more a Paleo family but each one of our kids like probably listening has some serious health stuff we had. We have a child that had got disease. We've another child. She's adopted, but she's African, but she She is very very very high cholesterol. just just naturally. There's nothing this child can do about it. She does workout she. She's always going to have high cholesterol, but is her mother. I can't just allow that. I can't just be like. Oh, yeah, just go eat what you want. You know so so I do try to be one of those parents. That's very cautious about what their kids in their family and myself, but we make all kinds of smoothies for our morning. meals I do this for lunches. This helped me a lot so. So I hope anybody else is listening. Helps them when you're making your kids launch when school starts back up again. Maybe even your lunches now we do. We do the color the color game and we do it for breakfast, lunch and dinner now. If you'RE GONNA make a SMOOTHIE, forget about it. They've already got stuff in it, but we do the color game so meaning like for breakfast food. Did you eat three colors for lunch? You eat four and for dinner. Did you eat four? So you have to think of? How many things are Brown? You know? No no, that was still one color switch more fun for kids. It's more like okay and I'm telling. If you play the color game, you get in most of your nutrients for the day that weighs apparent I'm not saying don't eat that. You can't have that. It's okay that they put two or three brown things on their plate. But where's the other three colors? They have to end. That's role to you have to eat it. You actually have to eat it, so it's providing them with enough enough colors. They like it. It's more fun. It's more in their control, and then after you know your children, which most of your parents really do? Once, you really know your kid and what they're going to eat i. make up a pretty strict meal plan like okay. Monday here are two choices or three choices for the grocery store. Right in the same same I have a twenty one day meal menu in. It's of course it's laminated. I'm like the organizer of the organizers I'm. And that way when you go the grocery store, you're not buying anything that you weren't going to use. It's literally like No. This is the exact meal for the week this this is the exact meals I don't have to overthink. It already know that's what people are going to eat and then of course on Friday or Saturday. I really do let them I pretty much. Let them eat what they want. Want to because you don't have one of those kids or family and myself included. That's like Oh my God. I have at pizza in a year you. You don't want that to happen either so and it is so funny to me that they get to eat what they want. On Friday night and Saturday morning their stomachs killing them. They hate wife and my oldest. He's ten. He goes, he goes. I can't eat sugar like that. It makes me physically ill and I'm not. Even the parents saying don't eat sugar. I'm just letting them kind of figure it out. You know and we don't get me wrong. We eat sugar, but but you know not not a ton of it again. If you play the color, it really reduces your sugar intake. So. That's kind of my tip is played. Plate the color game. Are So Heidi, what will the hand? What color will the Hamels be having tomorrow? Friday night tomorrow night's Friday night. What we have on the menu tomorrow night Friday night. Friday night. Either be on there. It can be. It's Brown. Other colors, not just one color per meal. Chiro, it's Brown. Yeah, so the okay, so there you go that one's Brown You could go with corn which is yellow. You can do with cucumbers that are granted mashing. Okay, that's why. Hello mashed potatoes would be hey. Heidi mashed potatoes would be white and yellow. That would be the buttocks. Well, this is true to this is true. You know all these. We condiments don't count. That read from the catch up now. The red isn't catch also. The the work that you and call have done with the Hamels Foundation, because you have really accomplished some amazing stuff since guys have formed the foundation now that's that's sweet. The even said better that you. You've mentioned that here. You know a lot of that happened from survivor to. Honestly I think a lot of good happened from survivor. Obviously yes, meeting coal but the HAMELS foundation was that, too, because I got so sick in a in a third world country and realized Oh my gosh. Know millions of other kids are this is happening to. So, what what how can I be part of very broken system? How can I be part of it and give hope right? That's always our hope. Is If you have hope you guys both know you can make it. You can make it pretty Dang far smoke. So what what what does that? Look like and my background is education, so hope for US looks like education. And that's why our tagline is. Education is the answer, because because it really is if you're if you're educated or well educated, you can figure stuff out rape, and and all these things that are happening. Don't need to be your your predicament. If you're well educated so that that's where this really started in. Wow, he Africa. I went to seventeen different countries. Third World, countries and Malawi was the only government at that point in time. That was really willing to work with me, saying yes, we need a school system. What does that look like How do we not make them pay for it? How much is it GonNa? Cost End when I tell you. This was like four years in the making at least because it's very as you guys. Guys can imagine it is very complicated to get something started in a third world country, and let alone ran efficiently and proficiently, and and by the book. Like how do you know the government's not just GonNa take it over tomorrow? How do you know that weapons aren't going to be now a source for these kids? How do you know there's just so many unknowns and you're you? Don't live there, you you don't know. So so this was a big deal took a ton of research hire phenomenal team to help me announce another part of it your team. Your team is usually how things like this happen in our successful. The exactly Madonna had was getting ready to put a school in North. We were GONNA put a school in the south in the team that she even higher I mean. They literally took her money so so school north really never took flight. You know so. This is just an example of it, doesn't it? Doesn't matter about who you are and how much money you have matters about the team so? Gosh lucky that we had a great team. I mean just awesome team. built built an insane squirming. The school looks like something from here in the United States. I mean it's it's insane. It's in the middle of nowhere, you guys. It's like a beacon. But it serves so many things so now like first grade. They'll do maze second grade. They'll do chicken third grade. They'll do jewelry so now in their in eighth grade specialty. The girls don't have to prostitute. They now actually have eight different skill sets that they can go work and they're being taught English. So When we started there the numbers were insane. Thirties and forties pursue percent nate's HIV F- imagine that's just the ones that were getting tested. Unite both know it's way over that. That's just the tested once When I went last year, we had one child with with eight HIV. When Kit. So that just goes to show you, the education is the answer I mean it really in ten years time. We only have one child at twenty six hundred kids with HIV. so. That's something that's that's it's. It's just so empowering to be there so empowering the half. Of that entire area now speaks English not that they shouldn't speak their native tongue in that. There's nothing wrong with that, but if they're going to get jobs outside of Malawi English will get them by. so so it's! It's been an awesome thing to be part of and watch and watch a company country grow. You're starting to see AIDS and HIV caravans starting to leave the whole southern area because because they're being educated. It's really incredible. Heidi people. WanNa check anything from the Hamels Foundation, a the HAMELS foundation dot org for that t birds. Did you have anything else for Heidi? I mean Heidi again when when I started looking back through your. You know your career and and learning about you just taken aback by so impressed with so many ways. It's at again I. Guess in my intro. Antibody. Thinks about underestimating how? You're really really really impressive. I'm telling you you really never know the impact that your generous acts does, and how it changes other people's lives and I can assure you there's. The number of people that you in Col- have touched. I'm just I'm so proud proud to know you I'm. I'm so proud to be in the survivor family with you so I mean don't ever underestimate the ability to make somebody else's life better. In y'all do not do it, so I guess the last thing I want to say is. If your life is your message to the world. Yours is truly an inspiration. So. I feel like a better person. Now I, just I feel very undeserving of that. That's just the sweetest thing ever I don't I don't know what to say to that. And and I. Know You you're so. It's very humble person and that's what makes it to. I talked to rob before we got you on us. It Rob. She is amazing, and she's so humble she it's. It's people who change the world like you coal that. You. Don't even know or you. Don't put any stock into what you're doing and how you're changing so many people and that's what makes you so. Everything you do comes from the heart, and you can tell just this conversation now all the listeners. That just saw that twenty four year old I'm probably get emotional rob. Help stopping here. When he four year, old girl, standing up on a perch and take it employs opera peanut butter in Oreo PICA's a long time ago. Burn everything. That's right, but you learn everything. She's done from bear up to her forty one years beautiful, amazing mother of five and I'm just I'm so blessed that we've talked to you and I know the listeners are GonNa feel better to just know in no about you. All I'm blown away by that first off I'm I'm absolutely blown away that you think that or or see that and. rob you both you both get this all the time. Especially hate to say how long ago we played that game. When so many people knew you and they would? Come up to you and this is. This is kind of the segue into this and I I always hold onto this is. Come up to you know like! Oh, my gosh wasn't that one of the that had to be the greatest thing you've ever get with your life. and I would always say a couple. Things are also the people that think high school is the greatest years of their life or college, or whatever their thing is and I I would always say a couple of things one I hope not. I it I haven't been I haven't done what God. Put me here to do right because that's the greatest thing I would say that about five million other things number two. No one is getting picked for a show like that. If they weren't already something special or somebody saw something special in them, so it was only all your other things you were doing with your life before. Survivor is why you got picked for survivor so I think that's always I would always hold onto that with everybody. Everybody that got picked on our on our season. 'cause those were the only people I've ever met up to that point time and I always thought that like I know I got picked because somebody saw something special in me in all. These people are in the same boat, so this isn't the greatest thing we've ever done with our wife. All the things that we did in a culmination is what led up to this moment, and that's how I look at this too like you're saying it just. He keep trying trying to think of somebody else in how to make their life better, and then you look back and it made your life better. That's that's how this goes. Round and round, so it's it's really awesome thing to be part of and a now right? Looking back I can say yes. Survivor was absolutely one of the top awesome things I've done with my life, but but you know when you're in the moment, you. You can't really say that you're like with. Everything just led up to this moment actually so I, think that's always really important people. I'm sure ask you guys all the time. How'd you get on the show? How did you do it all these things? It's like by being you by being the best version of you is. What got you there? That's that's the keys to the kingdom right. I know people that I've talked to through the years that played survivor. That were. Maybe they were voted off a lot earlier than they wanted to be and they felt. In just exactly what you just said, Heidi you're a special before you were cast for this show where the you with us, I one off or you? One because somebody saw. In you that made you special or or so? That's you know that's a really neat thing to say because it's so true. So. Thank you Heidi so much for being part of this L. Light Likewise, likewise I'm thrilled. I'm Rob I'm so glad I got to catch up with you somewhat although in normal life conversation would have been a lot more. You well. It would have been a lot more about you are. You surprised that I've been podcasting about survivor for ten years absolutely not. Do this as a job. I! Are you kidding? You should be the hostess with the most? I can't walk. Or I can't believe you're not running a full time. TV Show, twenty four seven survivor actually No. This was definitely something you were born to. Appreciate it but Heidi. Thank you for spending so much time with us. I can't believe that I feel like. We've taken so much time out of your day as the mother of five. This is really. A treat that we got to talk to you for so long now know likewise it's. Four o'clock in the morning today I'm dealing with it I'm fine with it happy to do so actually. Okay well God bless you guys both for having me and please ask Kohl to take it easy on my mets this season, if possible, if possible. Based plots. If we get there there, you go. All right. Thank you so much. All the best. Okay, okay, likewise. Thanks thanks to you both. T bird the. Old Friend Heidi Hamels. Those listening to just listen to that. They have just got to be like. Wow, what? What a girl! What so many layers? If you think you know Heidi from watching survivor Amazon oh boy. That's just one small layer she so. She so in tuned and so. SMART lightened. It just seems like with you know it's what an honor to talk to her and. I wanted to ask I was GONNA. Ask Heidi this, but I didn't. Because I know she's not been following the series. But I was wondering I know. Who Do you think Heidi? Plays the most like. Or has the Her gameplay is the most like his I had thought about somebody, but I know no. And I'll tell you. Well and again I know you okay poverty. Yeah! Such. Honestly I feel like that. She's a little bit more like. Calculating than poverty, add like I. Feel like this might be kind of crazy, but I feel like that. I think that Heidi is a little bit more of a strategic player and I think that poverty is a little bit more of a social player. Okay. Because talking to Heidi, because I didn't know Heidi before this I, think we may have met. In the way that on talking about like how like Heidi was able to almost talk Christie, like into like going with her like that, she was really good at that sort of stuff whereas I, think that poverty is a is a little bit more of that. She is just a job. I don't want to say just, but she that. Her charm is her greatest skill whereas I think that Heidi. I I do think that that she has a really great mind for the game just to compare the two Hamadeh Heidi today up into this podcast. She seems very charming, but also very sincere, which makes her even more likable so very smart when you were playing out there with her. Yet very smart, very likeable, very charming, so yeah. A lot about or it's really interesting sleeps to at two to three hours. Yeah, okay I'll tell you I thought I was very scared of Heidi as as a player that I was very very intimidated that she was going to be the winner of the season. Yeah, you know what it's funny again at frog after reviewing all season going over I thought. Wow, how interesting would it have been for Heidi in rob to have been the final two? We didn't even touch on this I mean. We could've talked to her for hours. She never got to be on the amazing race and of course Ethan INGENICO. Dead wonder why Jenna and Heidi. They didn't ask them to do the amazing race. Once they came off. I didn't even ask about that. I don't know I don't think they were putting survivors on the amazing race. At that point all right so here. My questions go for it. So this is the pressures someone. Ask You because I know you know stuff so. All right, so are asking who you thought Heidi. was like the most like oh you did say. Poverty is a is a good one. But look, it's hard I. Don't have somebody thought my head. Oh Okay all right well now. The big question aren't. There's a couple of I on your season. This is gonNA. Be So easy couple of I on your seasons. Go? First Time. It was men versus women. I. The immunity necklace is given away. First Time. First Time. It's a six to one vote. Okay, what else I first time reality show with someone with. A disability Oh. Go Mystique Christy Smith Yeah Right? Let's say aren't now next thing is. There are rape players on your season Amazon, same age of twenty four years old. When when you play are the three. With myself and Heidi. Who Heidi is born on days after me. We have our born very very close. In both in the same year nine days Heidi and Who Else Dave? Twenty three Shawna. Charles Twenty three. Was it Ryan. Ryan was twenty three. I don't know who else is twinned corporate tinder. We just mentioned her. wristy Christie is another Rusty Smith. Older than twenty four. God Look at you guys at twenty four years old so when you're out there playing with Heidi, she had never seen survivor, so were people telling her about the game? Do you know? You I mean of course. You probably weren't by the time we got together. Tell her what was going on I. Feel like that. That was something I could add to people. Try to be liked by people who run the camp. Now this is kind of an interesting thing. I'm wondering right now. Because Heidi is very smart, young and they even casting suggested this to her. Why did she not watch any of the segments any of because that? Was Two thousand and two, and there was no binge watching. Get the tapes. Maybe. She watched survivor Thailand. When it was airing. Remember though we heard from people before the head not watched the series. That casting would send them copies to Binge Watch before they play, or they didn't send me any tapes you but you what I mean, but you had watched seen. Every episode never watched survivor. I saw every episode. I had his. Yeah. If if you hadn't seen it, they would send you tapes. I've heard people that said they'd never watched it. In the casting had sit them tapes, so they could been watch and now I don't know who it was. Yes. I. Know There's been several all right, so let's start to wrap this up today. T bird, but. Was Great Job Great. Get with Heidi looking forward to more talking TB. We give t-bird a even bigger looked of names of people to hunt down here in the summer of Twenty, twenty or anything you want to say. Reitman. And I. Hope that Y'all got some unfinished business now, yeah! Unfinished business, but it was great to catch up with Heidi. So thanks again for setting this all up here today, and of course we'll have some more talking with T. Bird for you soon, of course, if you want even more on everything that goes on behind the scenes, props podcast head over to rob has a website dot com slash patron, get access to our Patriot only podcast feed, and everything that we're doing in the RUBS podcast Patriot community at rob dot com slash patriot. Take care, everybody good one by. Life will never be. As we are at. SAKE WITH TV Oh. This TV. Show. Steeper. A.

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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 761  Pitcher Targets After Round 15

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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 761 Pitcher Targets After Round 15

"Seven sixty one of the sleeper in the bust. It is Wednesday December eighteenth. I'm your host Paul spor and applying solo today for maybe the last time of twenty nineteen. I'm starting to think about it. Got An episode tomorrow with just in Christmas. Week is off maybe Monday or Tuesday the thirtieth or thirty first. Maybe but we're probably doing the last one one solo of twenty nine thousand nine hundred and we got a little double dose for like I said Justin are going tomorrow. So as you're traveling for holidays can have two. Who episodes for you here this week to keep going and I'm doing something I've been doing a lot of lately Both on the pod and in writing which which is basically a list you know a group of players that I'm interested under a particular Under under a particular idea you know going here or from this or whatever in this case it's going in the the sixteenth rounder later so basically after pick to twenty five so why the first fifteen rounds I duNno. It felt like a good cutoff. You know those those really cushy round numbers like two hundred three hundred whenever well I was looking at it and You know there are some guys around the two fifty and later mark that I liked but then there were some before in that two hundred to two fifty or seeing that two twenty five to fifty mark that I liked so I just decided to bring them in okay. That's that's all that's all you really need to know. Actually I'm looking at it now. Let's see I think I could have gone deeper I. I don't know if there is actually anybody in the two twenty five to fifty range here. I guess I can done like a two fifty and beyond type of deal but it's an interesting group. It's nine pitchers we run the gamut here from a twenty year old to a thirty foot while I guess. Twenty one to thirty five. Because they're going to be that that's going to be their age each season next year. And so we're talking. Obviously some veterans some young bucks. Some folks have barely pitched in the majors. Someone returning to the majors Gers. So let's just get into it now. I just made a critical error and I could do one of two things. I could be a professional national and either pause it or restart and go make the list in. ADP order. Because what I did is I put them all on a on a fan. Grassley cut custom leaderboard. So I've got the names here but they are definitely not an ADP. Order could do that or I. Just go in this order that's on here and tell you the ADP as as we get to them now. Which one do you think I'm going to do? That's right or just going to go in the third and now I believe that the first guy on my list my leaderboard happens to be the first guy. ADP as well well and that's Aj puck for the Oakland A.'s. Twenty five year old left hander. They had to lefties this year that when I picked them to make a wildcard I thought would be a big part of their season so the fact that I was right that they made the wild card and I can you know. Chuck that up as a correct correct answer is one of those Process versus versus result type of deals or better yet. Like where you get the right answer in math when you're in middle school or high school but when you show the work the work was wrong because if I showed my work on Oakland I was wrong. I did not see you know Mike. Fires Brett Anderson and Chris Bassett being three really solid starters for them most of their offense of stuff. I actually was on Austin Chapman. semi-in my boy Laureano. But I would not have had Chris Davis falling apart in mark. Caonabo basically filling inform you. You get the point so puck and Lazardo. We're supposed to be too big parts of it for me me or for them in my calculation of them succeeding. They weren't but I think in twenty twenty they could be now Lazaro. Oh excuse me do as well. But he's going much more much higher in. ADP for book he's going around. Pick to fifty to forty nine nine to be exact here ranging from one eighty one to three eighteen widely a largely available in late ninety eighth pitcher off the board right. Now that includes foods relievers. Because that's how NFC breaks down. He did get up and Throw eleven relief innings eleven and a third with twenty eight percent strikeout rate eleven percent walk great great three eight zero one thirty to whip you. Know kind of a prototypical hard-throwing youngster ninety seven miles per hour with the fastball. Ask Ball really fastball. CIDER dependent the changeup is is very much a show me offering particularly out of the bullpen. I think I think we'll see it a bit more when he's starting this year I certainly hope we do for for. Aj puck now the one thing about him and this is factored into the cost. So I don't WanNa get too hung up on. It is that his innings will not be massive. I wouldn't bet on them because he threw twenty five major excuse me minor league innings and then eleven in the minor so you're talking thirty six total after missing all of eighteen returning from Tommy. John I believe and so you know even though he is going to be twenty-five though so I don't know how much they're gonna like super baby him. I just think that maybe maybe something around twenty-seven Teens one hundred twenty five innings is the right call for Puck if you're trying to factor what you're going to get from because I don't know that they're going to have to be aggressive with in terms of stifling as innings and give them like eighty I think as a twenty five year old college which product who's thrown over one hundred as a pro in a season already you can push the one twenty five one forty range assuming these healthy and and ready to go so I really liked puck. I think he's going to make a case to get into that rotation early next year. It might be somebody that you have to put on reserve for a little bit. But but Let me see what their rotation shaping up as you hang on. Let's take a look. Fires Maniaci Montas was Arnold Bassett. Okay I guess you will will need to find a spot puck will but he should be I man up and there's definitely some guys on here who are questionable double bass it a little bit. Questionable Managua's health is always been questionable. So I like puck. I wonder I wonder if they would bring him up early. Have them in the bullpen. As a piece and then transitioned him into the rotation although we do know the stickiness of the bullpen could be a situation where he ends up staying there. But there's also some some Josh Hater esque Potential on a puck not just the fact that he's a lefty with long hair kind of looks like him but the skills and performance as well so AJ puck. I guy on our list next GUY UP I. I won't be too long on him. Because you guys are probably GonNa retire me mentioning mentioning him especially when he doesn't even have a team yet but it's Taiwan Walker. Who as I as? I just does not yet have a team. He was non tendered which makes sense Well I don't know maybe it doesn't. What was he slated to make? I don't know what Taiwan Walker was slated to make but now I love what the diamondbacks are doing the things that they've been doing have been smart but they paid him. Five Mil the Rehab. Excuse me he finished the season with just an inning. He threw one inning in the majors in September. which I I take away as a as a slight positive by the way anytime dealing with an injured guy if they finished the season on the mound? I'm encouraged by that even something as small as one inning here but okay so they pay him that money to Rehab. Are they trying to work with them to bring him back cheaper or are they really done with him. I mean I guess the only thirteen innings in two thousand eighteen as well. So they've already paid and basically ten mil for fourteen innings over two years. He was good for them. Taiwan Walker was good for the D backs back in seventeen hundred fifty seven innings of three forty nine zero one. Thirty three. Whip you guys know. I would love to see the Tigers go form. That's my team twenty-seven-year-old who's shown this kind of potential. While he has had basically two years lost to injury can still bounce back from that every team should be interested though. I don't know I know why you wouldn't be You know if you're a team whether you're contending or a little bit deeper in your cycle to contend pick three ninety one off the board absolutely dirt cheap Taiwan Walker. You know how I feel next up Jordan Montgomery Another injury guy. Who did I believe? Finish the season on the mound. He had four innings again. You're not going crazy over four innings but it's nice to see him back after after virtually missing eighteen just twenty seven. Innings flashback to twenty seventeen. Join Montgomerie was pretty nice. Three Hundred Eighty one twenty three whip in those one hundred and fifty five innings now how they've strengthened the rotation out there in New York particularly with Garrett Cole so it's going to be called Severino Tanaka Paxton HAP but they're talking about moving half which would then open the door from Montgomery. I believe or Louis Siga I guess. Yeah okay he's a little bit of a tougher draft i. I'm going to be truthful with the. I forgot about how per second because they've been talking about dealing him so much coach then. I forgot that he's got that fist. Start Fifth Starter. Spot locked up because if they aren't able to trade him they're not going to happen. The bullpen for that kind of money. Because he's still a capable starter like he's not terrible. I know last year was certainly far. From his best year for HAP- he had a four ninety-one era in one thirty any whip but like as a fifth starter you can do worse so they would stick within their so montgomery becomes like a sixth man type but a lot of the well not a lot all these draft so far drafted hold so if you are doing those during the winter guys that are without a position but could play into a strong position Asian if an injury strikes or something are good place and I do believe that that both puck and Montgomery fit that bill. Don't worry these are not all six and seven starters that you you can't use we're going to have some other guys here who are definitely in the mix in their rotations already but I do like Jordan. Montgomery keep a close eye on him. He's still relatively young too is going immune to his age. Twenty eight season. No actually that's going to be hang on. Let me check twenty-seven age twenty seven season for the left-hander Jordan. Montgomery so I do like him with the Yanks. Maybe he gets dealt right. Maybe the take half a team says give give us Jordan Montgomery as well and so you know they they get a little something on on the younger side for taking on hats money find a team that needs multiple arms and then and then you got something going there All right to veterans in a row here next up Cole Hamels. It's not as boring orange against sure and I talked about this when when he signed with Atlanta. When I wrote it up and on the pod but like come on I am I am signing up for Cole? Hamels in fantasy this year pick to eighty two. What are we doing? And like I get I get the chronic ageism that is in fantasy is going to be thirty six next year but come on you look at his a twenty three percent strikeout rate same as it was an eighteen nine percent walker. That's about average eight nine percent. The last two years home runs came back act down after a spike in eighteen from one four. Two one one one it's GONNA go to Atlanta which it should be around Wrigley. Nothing too crazy out of Texas this you know Texas definitely amd him up there and that's why he was at one point four For that season in eighteen for Cole Hamels so going to Atlanta I think's going to be a good fit it formed. They've got a quality defense. Everything adds up and if you really break down his season he just wasn't right after returning from health and I understand that lingering health concerns for thirty six year old okay but we talked about this a lot. That's built into the price. Don't double count. That has a negative against him. Don't say okay. Whatever on hamlet's but also this injury no no? He's two eighty two because he's thirty. Six years old came off an injury last year. That definitely hampered him down the stretch because he had a to ninety eight to eighty four in his first eighteen starts for Cole. hamels comes back from the injury. Injury gets walloped twice. Frankly then he really settle down over the last seven. They actually weren't even that bad there was one other dud there but he went three to five one to zero in his earned runs after that for four twenty two yard because the ending starting to get shortened two three hundred four hundred thirty three and a third and four in September for Cole Hamels bottom line though is he comes in healthy ready to go in spring training. This this is another. I don't know one hundred and eighty innings of quality work. Now he does have sub one fifty two of the last three years again. That's that's part of the price for Cole Hamels. So you're buying and saying okay. I'll take a buck fifty knowing that you could reasonably get one hundred and ninety. I'm in it's boring but it's it's it's good and when you're taking your year. Aj pucks and you're Sandy. Alcan Torahs and your Jose or key back there and you mix in a Hamels you you diversify your risk profile bit which I'm open for for because there's also a notion fantasy that drives me nuts that no old guy has upside you only have upside via Youth Horse Shit I. I don't agree with that and I think that I think that somebody will call him does have upside the upside would be. You're not getting hurt. And not necessarily holding when he did all year last year through those first eighteen for all y'all gonNa have a two eighty four because even that the skills were saying more like a low amid threes but if he put up if Cohen was put up a buck eighty of a three forty era. I would not be surprised again. That is not my expectation but it would not overly surprised me. So that's where I'm at on Cole. Hamels kind of an easy investment for him because he is so cheap. And we'll move onto the next oldie here Annabel Sanchez. Who is going? Pick three twenty eight A little bit after occur hamels because he doesn't have quite the track record and injury is health. Track record is much worse the last time he threw over one hundred and and seventy innings was twenty thirteen for Sanchez. So you know coming in. You're really paying for like a buck twenty by buck. Twenty should be pretty good and has been He had the huge rebirth in eighteen. Anibal Sanchez did nobody bought it. It was dirt cheap. I mean nobody bought it. Meaning the market was so low on him that if you did like him you can invest at nothing and I think you got exactly what you paid for because I was one of the ones pushing to go for him last year and saying you know what this is this is well priced. Go for it and you got one hundred sixty six innings of a three eight five and one twenty seven. Whip from Animal Sanchez at age. He's thirty five on the nats. Bingo dig it I I mean what more could you have asked for so i. I am one hundred percent in on on that as well and he's going to be the fifth starter. Excuse me the fourth starter right now for the nats. I think that that totally works. I don't know what else I really can't say here. Except that another crusty vet that you can mix in to your your rookies and and young flyers that you're taking picks on to kind of balance things out a little bit because when healthy and about Sanchez is going to be in rotation. You can't always say what about those young guys. Like Aga puck and come into the season fully healthy. He's not necessarily going to be in the as rotation just because of that. All right now we get get into a little bit of the Youth Bruce Dr Grabher all not a fake name actually a real name very cool one bruised are dope. Oh that's pretty dope name. I liked that. Bruce Grant are all for the Minnesota twins. If you're unfamiliar actually debuted this past year. He threw nine and two thirds innings and out of the bullpen for them. He might have missed it if you were really weren't Dialed in on the twins or anything else central so You know four sixty sixty one twenty four where we're not bugging out over that but twenty five percents strike out of five percent. Walk right nine and two thirds. It's nine hundred ninety two thirds. I'll keep saying that because that mitigates any interest positive or negative for the stats but he came in struck out. Guys didn't walk in. You know nine mile per hour fastball. Here it was a fastball. slider Combo almost exclusively through his change. Up Two percent of the time did Bruce Dr Grant Raw. Aw but he made it from rookie ball to the majors. He went rookie to double spent the bulk of his season. Two triple a to the majors. fifty two and two thirds at Aa away. One Seventy one zero one one whip and then five and a third at triple A.. And he was primarily a reliever. Actually let's see the breakdown my actually be about even because he had nine starts at AA. Hang on let's get the full numbers. Here actually probably relieved more than he started if in terms of appearances because he had eleven minor league starts cards to seven relief. Appearances and then ten relief. Seventeen okay so Seventeen relief appearances. Parents is eleven starts across all seventy and two-thirds innings for Bruce. Dr Grammar all this here now. He's a twenty year old who basically breeze through a bunch of levels essentially skipped AAA when you consider. It's five and a third so so you know coming in at age twenty one. I don't know that he's necessarily going to make their rotation out of spring says another more of like a stash guy or fifth round draft and hold fit but things really open up after Berea Riyanto Torrisi they got smelt Devon smeltzer Randy Dominic and Louis store all of whom could end up being fined for them. I mean and really kind of owning the rotation for the bulk of the year but then Greiner Grenell's looming there as somebody who could really like. He's one of those guys I I I can totally see it. One of those guys that when you Kinda hype them up is like Oh yeah. He doesn't have a spot though. Where's HE GONNA play? Don't even worry about it. And then all of a sudden pardon by May he's dominating and he's like the the hot new sensation. Everyone's like well. How the hell did I not realize this guy right? This is one of those key cases of don't get overly hung up on the path right now and kind of focus on the skills This has been a a recurring thing over the last several years in the league. Where rookies are playing more and more and so you cannot just totally bug out on on? What the depth chart looks like right now? I understand the reasons to think that a twenty one year old flame thrower with only two pitches. It's going to go back to triple A.. and kind of figure some things without the I get that I totally get that. That is the likeliest path for gradual. Don't rule out the special path. Though where he goes down there pitches well in AAA for a month. Something happens where somebody underperforms or there's an injury and they call Bruce Dr Grad or all and he takes League by storm that is a potential as well and again again I will say the counter. Why can't you can't draft a ton of guys like that of course that's why you mix in your Hamels and your Sanchez's and you're getting them at four fifty eighty seven pick four fifty seven Bruce Dr Grant role so all the worries and concerns are baked in gay so just keep a little star next to him? And don't forget about Bruce. Dr Grant Wrong because I also feel there's a scenario where if he goes out and just decimates mate's spring training then they have to you know they have to bring them up earlier because he's just he's one of their best. Five options pitchers chirs especially this idea. That pitchers have a finite amount of bullets in that when they start showing that the the arm is clicking at peak. You you gotta go you gotta you gotta get them in the rotation you gotta get them in the majors doing the damn thing. So I like Bruce. Dr Grad are all for the Minnesota twins wins put a little star next to him L.. Only deeper leagues and then hopefully becomes a mixed league candidate for us. All right who is next. Oh Pablo Lopez for the Miami. Marlins remember him. There was some love for him Coming into this past year I know. Oh Nick pollock and a little bit of a discussion on him and actually a little bit of disagreement. where I I I I probably came out more negative on Pablo? The idea was he was saying that the downside was like a four ten year aims downside is much much worse than that but the idea via was he. He liked the he like the foundation that somebody like Pablo Perez had and. Obviously the season went south five. Oh nine ers. But a four twenty-eight fit like there was still some underlying things that were good twenty percents strikeout six percent walk and if you look at what Pablo -Pez does. There are reasons that you can get excited about him about thinking that there's more for his strikeout potential Particularly the fastball. changeup Combo now. If you could get the curveball to be more of a swing and Miss Pitch then I really think strikeouts burning would be a not only potential been almost a likelihood for Pablo Lopez. There was ninety. Four from the right side can Bump up to the mid high nineties when he needs it. There's eighty six on the job. So you got a decent split there and the change up is a solid pitch for him. It's already been a good offering for Pablo Perez. He'll be twenty four next year. The curve ball comes in at eighty. So it's three different velocity levels but the curve balls Ben a little bit of an issue Other than the fact that it does give him that that third level. So there's definitely some work to be done there. We've seen the curb on not not be as bad though like if you flash back to eighteen. When Pablo Perez through fifty nine innings? The curveball was more effective than of course. The fastball was problematic and so oh you know he hasn't been able to get all three pitches working in concert just yet At least for a full season he has. Obviously you know for four starts here five. Starts there that sort sort of stuff but I think Lopez is going to be a forgotten guy because of a five. Oh Nine E. R. A.. And being on the being on the marlins already puts puts you in like no-man's-land because nobody he wants to mess with that once you're once you're on the marlins but then throw in a five year and it's like okay. What what are we doing here? There was a really interesting stretch this here. When the mets absolutely tanked Lopez for ten earned in three innings and? I'm sure anybody that had him caught him. So what does he do do a week later. He bounces back with seven shutout innings against the very same team one hits in seven innings against the mets bounced. Right back and that really spurn. A little six game run where you had A to twenty seventy are a in thirty five and two thirds and then he got wildly again in two starts actually. There was an injury Hang on let's see I forget what Pablo Perez injury was. Because he had that run which led to June fifteenth got hurt. Didn't return until August twenty. Sixth so let me see what that injury any was bumpy when he got back. Pablo Lopez of the MARLINS is. We're talking about here. And he had a strained right shoulder. Okay so he came back. He was poor and his first outings. Ten runs over eight innings. But but that wasn't too bad in September When you kind of look at it game to game there's like a good one here? Good one they're good one there and then to who I would say to good one mediocre and two duds. Okay I say you know. I don't WANNA I don't WanNa oversell that for September but coming back from that shoulder older Moore himself in September For Pablo Perez so. He should have a job. Kim Smith Andy Elkin Tara. Jose Urania join join Yamamoto in Pablo Lopez. Looks like they're five Trying to think if there's anybody out missing I don't think like an LEA's or Hernandez or Robert Douger your deserve the spot over him if he if Lopez loses it to one of them later sure but I think he gets. I shot here so You know there was some of the hype last year built up and now this year I think is kind of the year to buy in because it didn't go as well and and no one's going to be typed and he's coming at pick three forty one for probable -Pez. Now if I told you that there was a Lopez is on this list and giving you the parameters of what pick were looking at her later either definitely thought it was Reynaldo Lopez so you know. Let's Pat me on the back for not gushing over Reynaldo Lopez for the five trillion time. Although I still found a way to bring them up I still found a way to get a little radio mentioned And he's going to pick to ninety nine. Then you should maybe just get it okay. I'll I'll shut up. Our last guy here here was kinda nagging at me On the list of hot stove moves when I When we were when we were doing that big that big one last time out The last episode that we did like we were we were going deep and getting everybody in there and it was the big one and I kept looking kept looking. I said Hey all right. Let's let's let's tack on this movie. And it was for Josh Lindblom for the for. The Milwaukee brewers coming back from overseas and Let me get this right. I think it was the K B O but I don't want to get it wrong. SOLEMIN LOOK COMING BACK BACK FROM K B O. Yes the Korean baseball organization where he was an absolute monster for three years including the last two where he had to eighty eight to fifty the era respectively with the one. Oh seven and One point zero zero whips as well now the right up on him. I don't want to I I don't want to pretend that I've done a whole lot of study on him. This is coming from reading other stuff. And namely in this instance I'll be citing and they'll be trade rumors They talk about how he didn't go over there and discover a bunch of velocity. He's a spin guy though he's got crazy. Good spin on his fastball. And that's what really drives the success of his ninety one mph heater and so he's gone more foreseen heavy getting rid of the two seamer which is great for where. MLB going he did. In fact adopt a splitter again this is from L. B. Trade rumors on Josh Lewin boom which turned into a big weapon for him so he he was not an over the top strikeout guy he struck out eight point. Four and eight point seven in the in those two years nine point four his first year but the two years where he he was one of the very best pitchers in the League was at eight point. Four and eight point seven so just under a strikeout parading but really limiting hard contact keeping the ball in the yard and doing a lot of positive things. Here's the thing man. I'm at a point where I'm taking a shot on these on these returners and even the newcomers coming over from overseas because the price is usually so obviously. Unless it's like an Otani or Tanaka somebody that we know and have major expectations tied to otherwise the other guys. Just come over like I know Kukuchi just flopped right. We just had him come over and it did not go well but honestly more often than not. They returned some value. So I'm going to take a shot on Josh Lewin Bloom and could get a miles Michael a situation he's five. I fifty eight right now in. ADP for Josh Lindblom. That's nothing that's not even going in standard leagues. That's because he's in drafting. The price will rise. Is I think especially if he has a strong spring and as more more and more people talk about him in the off season the price will go up and you will never get to a point where I'm like. Oh that's too high that we can't do that. The only scenario I shouldn't say never the only scenario I can maybe see that is if he absolutely beasts out in spring training and price just gets You know just go sky high. I don't even necessarily see that. Like what's what's really the Max that Josh Lindblom could go to to what I wish I had. I think it's on my other computer. So that's kind of annoying Which I had the twenty eighteen and B C ADP because then. I could see where Michael was going two years ago and I think I had the seventeen. ADP on a different computer or or else that'd be nice to see where where Michael was going because he started to get some hype and uh thought I found it. Sorry no I don't I don't have it on this particular computer. I thought I had it in one of my dropbox folders that I could access from anywhere. But I'd like to see where the Max of Michael This was going. 'cause I don't even think there's going to be as much hype on Lynn Bloom as there was on. Michael is and so I'm in I'm going to take a shot in a Lotta autoweek formats. Do not just a fifty year old definitely fifteen years. I could see him as my last pick and a twelve team for Josh Lindblom. You know I just yes. I like these returns When they go over there they've beast out they come back and they don't have to be the same level it doesn't necessarily assuming he's going to be a beast for MLB the way he was in the K B O? But I think Josh Loom can come back and be a solid three eighty. Er for a with a good whip type of guy even if it's more like a four twenty area but it is like a really good whip like my boy. Joe Must Grove. And I've talked to you guys about how often or how much those guys get Underrated the guys who've got a mediocre to poor Jahra but a good whip versus somebody with a grade. Era are good era. In a poor whip will be overrated. I Evan it's it's such a weird phenomenon to me but Anyway anyway that's Josh Lindblom and that's GonNa be eight-pack again. It's Aj puck Taiwan Walker Jordan. Montgomery Cole Hamels Annabel Sanchez. Bruce Dr Overall Pablo a peasant. Josh Lindblom eight guys going after the fifteenth round that that I like for twenty twenty in various league formats and setups. Lots of different guys. They're a lot of different avenues where you can find a fit for them but those are the ones I like if you WANNA look up the ADP data. I'll put it in the show notes. You can leave comments or hit me up on twitter ads for of some of the guys that you like going in that range that. Maybe I haven't mentioned because like I said I tried to not just keep talking about the same guys that I'm always on about like Reynaldo Lopez Garrett Richards. Jose or key Mitch. Keller who I. I'm I'm jumping on board with nick on that one etc etc Dylan Bundy. I didn't want to just do the same old same old. So hopefully this group of guys that you guys can find some interesting anyway. They listen again back tomorrow with Justin. We're giving it to pick for the holidays

ADP Annabel Sanchez Pablo Lopez Josh Lindblom Jordan Montgomery Aj puck Cole Hamels Pablo Perez Garrett Cole Michael This Taiwan Walker Hamels Marlins Bruce Justin MLB Minnesota Nick pollock Reynaldo Lopez
The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 821  Short Season Strategy

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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 821 Short Season Strategy

"Hello and welcome to episode eight twenty one sleeper in the bus and it's Thursday June twenty fifth. I'm Paul Spor. Joined by Justin Mason Good Morning Justin. You said January right. I was I was saying. It's season mode feels like January. Yes. The, so have fun with that headphone listeners. Sorry, yeah. For some reason I was going January. It is preceded. Don't it is feeling weird kind of getting back into it? We've been working on our pitching ranks. We should both have them out by Friday, the twenty sixth, and then Tuesday will do a bigger episode comparing our big differences and everything we talked about some of the your changes in the upper part, the top thirty five last week, or excuse me on, Tuesday, so go ahead and take a look at that. If you missed it and then on Tuesday while I'm a bigger bigger discussion between both of our ranks but today. We're GonNa Talk News and notes. It's been a long time since we had like a proper news notes episode, and then we'll get some general strategy stuff about. Sixty game season and kind of see where that takes us So how's that sound to you? It sounds pretty good. I'm just glad baseball is coming back I. Know You and I were very very skeptical that. It would not and We're glad to be wrong Hopefully we can get through a whole season because we Are having some players. I'm happy and like I said. We were we were wrong. We couldn't wait to be desperate to be wrong on this one. We didn't want to be no baseball. We just weren't seeing how it's getting done. Part of that though. Is Getting on the field still. GonNa see see. How that happens I wanted to do i. want us to get there, but Charlie Blackmon has along with Phil Deal and Ryan Kathleen to rockies prospects. As do several bluejays, but no names. So. Or now at a point where okay that's, that's a bona fide fan star. WHO HAS IT? Are you more inclined to take him under the idea that? He's GonNa and Quarantine. Maybe for a couple of weeks, one of the weeks will be now before we even start anything. And then hopefully he's back and ready to go by the time everything really ramps up or you avoiding those players. How how are you treating the folks that we're GonNa, know get Cohen during the spring. When everything in the lead up to the season. Yeah I. Think! I'm going to be more likely to draft him I guess because he's ADP will drop I mean. It was going around like pick forty five. And now we're looking at a you know if he drops like outside the top sixty. He's already gotten cove I. Mean I would assume he's less likely to get it again. then. Maybe someone who hasn't gotten it. Yet But I think you are less likely. Yeah, because you build up antibodies so I mean I don't scientists don't know exactly how it works. So how the Hell Am I supposed to? But my my feeling is like. Let's say he drops outside of the top. You know sixty because of this Would you rather have him or Paul Goldschmidt? I. Goal all Lee I. Don't Know Yeah Goldie. I'd rather have blackman the. He's not trash. Trash trash not track. Because there's there's still good teams there, but I do think that it's it's. Not As scary of a division as the Mega West. what about Machado in the West? Going, at pick sixty? Rather have Machado or blackman black thing. About how Bush who is! is like everybody's favorite target right now like he's one of them with Coq Wall. Maybe not because then he about biking the same issue. We don't know if it's him. Global jets, the dead dude like that's going to be going second round in the main event. Because people are just over hyped on him. Properly not getting the IT's intense, the interest in bobby is absolutely intense. That's for sure. By the way breaking news that you're GonNa love the has been cleared. Of the accusations filed against him or levied against him in the Dominican Republic, regarding kidnapping, so there is that yeah, that's good I mean like I, said in previous episode like. We'd let the legal stuff played about the same time I'm a bit worried. Just about like the continued pattern of of being involved in some of these things always seemingly in the mix of some bad stuff. Yeah, that being said you know I'm still interested in driving him. This is a season where I'm going to be very careful with snow. Because what we talked about in terms of variants, like yeah, he could lead the majors in home runs. He could. Also you know hit below the Mendoza line and never get going so. Snows a guy that. I'm you know? I can't take a Gallo I can't take a Malik Smith I. Can't you know I'm not gonNA feel super comfortable. If I already have modesty, and then I grab snow like. Just probably not going to end up on in the morning, I thought you were just describing your full team. They're. Good not made event like can't punt. There but if I have another draft maybe. Did it did it did it did more breaking news twins related? Bunch of their players have cova to. Hey at least they're getting it out or out of the way early like bill, some herd immunity shit show dude. It's going to be. So. Bad. Oh my God I, Hope I. L on not having a season yet. I'm not taking the. I Peel Back My. My my apology. Land. This would be the worst like this this I mean if the season were to get canceled before the end of July when the season supposed to start like like. I there's a term for it that I'm just not going to stay on Eric because it's probably not appropriate, but I think everybody knows what I'm thinking. It would be be bad. Yeah would not be good. All right. Well. The COVA UPDATES Blackman. As some twins I don't know if. It, just being listed as it. You know guys from those teams means it's not star players or means that they don't know exactly who it is I don't know. Stay tuned. Figure that out. Let's talk some more concrete stuff and positive. Okay, let's shifted over to the positive outlooks for do go is going to be all-systems-go. Go with regards to his back. Remember you know it's looking like he was going to miss some time after come. We'll keep beds deal there. There is a lot of excitement on on him. Regarded drummed up by the RASBOL projections. I believe they will can really favorable on what. Do Go do particularly with his batting average. Over a full season and now is an opportunity that not for a full season, but it looks like the stress fracture in his back should be good to go. He's got all this time recover. How do you feel about for Gluco? kind of math for me, guy. No, there's a lot of people who are who are hyping up in. And really interested in getting him in the price really started to raise. The price was hasn't been bad. Since April First on NFC to twenty nine, almost two thirty in terms of ADP so like I. Have a problem with that. That's not a bad ADP at all. some interesting guys going area going about ten picks before him. are Andrew mccutchen. Nixon's Al El Puig. We obviously once he does sign I'm assuming with my giants He'll go up quite a bit. Shinshu chew going right in the same neighborhood as as well as mark can haw and then going a little bit after him. We've got guys like David Peralta. No more Missouri. Like I don't feel like that's a bad area and there's obviously some upside with Vertigo, but also with a lot of those guys and so. I don't know I mean I. Don't see him hitting in a sixty game stretch like. is He really to hit eight or nine home runs? I don't think so. He's GonNa Steal Eight or nine bases. I? Think so so it's really a batting. Average runs scored play. If you believe that he's going to the top lineup I don't know that he is in so bad i. mean how much different is he than Brian Reynolds? Yeah, WHO's done it? Yeah, that's that's a good call That's actually a really good comp I think so. I think we should definitely. Definitely consider that and if. Reynolds cheaper. Then I'm definitely going to go for him. Because he I. Think the I think they're a perfect comparison. Alford do go, and Brian Reynolds Reynolds Dan is going on is much more expensive. I'll much more expensive. Excuse me and I'll take. Reynolds is going about one seventy eight now. Did you say? This is without news thirties. To thirty. Is he going to zip up because he? Trusted People Rasbol Vlad doing. too big there. They moved move players. They move players when they hype them, so they come back and take this news and say hey, remember our guy for do go. We told you about here. We go. They're going to move and I respect both those both the outlet Rasbol and the person Vlad So. All of a sudden, they're close in price. Go within what if what if they're kind of dead? Even you just go with producers on a better team or do you go with Reynolds? Because he's done it before because you mentioned that he's, he's actually put the numbers on the paper I think it was reynolds because he's done it before, and we know he's GonNa hit the top of that lineup at Pittsburgh. True luggage is that is a foregone conclusion I can't imagine that for do one and they'll right. I mean I believe our Austin resource page I'll double. Check had Benintendi hit. Benny. So and I would assume that he would get I go at it considering he's the veteran. He's the dude that you know you know getting actually paid money right now are rocking resource has him batting betting? Renew batting seven seven. Yeah, he. Never That lineup is not as good as it once was. I mean we're talking about getting in front of Christian Vasquez and Jackie Bradley Jr. Yeah. And like you know you got divorced Bogart's Martinez I think two three four is the lowest they can be. You couldn't even squeeze going at the to spot with Benintendi at the top because you know put Martinez V. that's a waste you know putting. BOGART's are there either so. It really is a battle for that number one between Benintendi, purdue going to think the the incumbent has. The incumbent red sock I should say not so much. The incumbent leadoff hitter because he was not leadoff hitter last year. That would have been mookie Betts I mean theoretically they could do something. Put. Verduga I and put Benintendi fifth. Like this myth Mitch McConnell and need to be hitting fifth in that lineup. No. Knowing does not that. That's a that's a good call, so we'll see, but I agree with you that it's a better. Everything sets up much better for Brian Reynolds right now even on a lesser overall team better setup. So. Okay well, then that's that's the Alford do. Go News right now, but it's good that he's going to be back so if you did like him. Go ahead and jump back in especially if you're doing drafts. Some, folks Kinda, getting drafts setup to either run for the first time or rerun depending on how they're doing it and they're going forward right away. Get in before the produce. Go train moves back up. Because it will, it'll who move up some from where it is currently, if not a whole lot I want I want to say razzle and I think Todd Zola Him. Like top eighty player is. This is what I'm saying. Yeah, so they can move. The discount is obscene. If you believe yes, yes, because of that health, or lack thereof coming in absolutely obscene so make your moves there. With Verdoux goes early as you can or else, you can be back to pain that person. You might still like him it. That's okay, too. If you believe in a guy, you know, you have a lot of wiggle room what you would pay, but if you love for Dugo, nudge elite the draft now and really get on the cheap. Cole Hamels will also be back. Don't forget the the veteran lefty now with Atlanta. That's one thing that I think a lobby. We're GONNA. have to get used to. Reassigning. Kind of relearning, we're the new players are obviously bets in in L., A. Premium players like that, but there's GonNa be a lot of the You know kind of mid tier guys that everyone's going to have to. Relearn. Oh yeah yeah, they went there I. Forgot that Oh yeah they're. They're here, so that's going to be. A fun process to do that, you might have forgotten that. Cole Hamels. went to Atlanta Surgery Did He have surgery? No, no irritation on his shoulder, so he was kinda sitting out. He was going to miss some time at the outset. He's had time to sit. He's good to go. What do you think Oh Hamels? Now? Where where where's shown up in rankings? By the way your rankings are not final you say number here, and he's six seven spots different on either today or tomorrow when you release them I don't anybody to hold that against you. Where do you currently have hamels? I haven't won thirteen, but. I don't know we don't know we don't know about anything, so put the good guy who's been good. I guess he struggled a bit last year right then he's struggling. Yeah, and he got hurt and we don't know how healthy he is. He was a abso- last year Texan Eighteen. He was fine last year. Actually he was great and then got hurt. That's right, so he had a weird season where he was awesome, but then got hurt came back in that really put a damper on on the final part of to ninety eight, going into his injury and. And basically raised it by a run in his final ten starts going from two ninety eight to three eighty one, because he had a five seventy nine in his final ten starts for Cole, Hamels there to to mega duds in another crummy one really did a lot of work there, but when that's thirty percent of your starts, it can play that big of a role because the earned runs where zero, four, eight, three, two, two, five, one, two zero. And then you had the fact September that he didn't go more than four and a third. So even though it was one to zero in those final three starts for animals, four, hundred, three, hundred four, so they couldn't really outweigh the five and eight out earned runs outing sessions say so I. Get a little bit of trepidation with Cole Hamels. I think he's a top one hundred picture though. I mean the difference between one thirty out the difference between you know guy like Hamels. Mean I'm saying Dude I have them. In Sixty. Wow. That's. That's aggressive. Is it it is. Regressive at feels aggressive to me, I. Mean we're talking about a guy who's thirty six years old off shoulder issues that are recent. Pitching a new park that isn't pitcher friendly pitching in the Better than Regularly I think I think. Atlanta's better than Wrigley the beast east. Some trouble there. But I don't know. He's a really good pitcher I. Guess I just Love Him? Yeah I! Mean it just I mean. Maybe this is one of those ranks. Oh. Here they don't need to report. God. said he's leaving later. So I had to get it done now. They've got a few days right? Yeah, yeah, all right well. It's good to know. He doesn't have covert because you'd be warranting. True he doesn't right now, yeah! My boy, my boy. Out. Don't don't encourage him. Would you rather have Cole Hamels or Kyle Gibson? I. Think. I'd rather have cow Gibson, and he's ranked lower, so I do need to bring hamels down. I will do that okay, but even bring them down to the seventies where Gibson is still a good bit how? To how about that I'll say I'm too high, but you're too low. We should be more in the night in the Seventy to eighty five range I think, but he I disagree, but that guy. With them. What you want, I will healthy Cole. Hamels is very good a healthy call animals is very good, but you could also get absolutely nothing from him and I'm putting it. Say that about everybody though he's much more likely for him for us to get absolutely nothing from him, then Kyle Gibson. You know or Much, more likely nothing from from Cole, Hamels and Kyle Gibson. Even like homer Bailey like. I feel much more confident I'm going to get some innings from homer Bailey. Then I'm GONNA get from. Animals not even joking isn't is is is Gibson immuno-compromised from the? I don't belive rightists colitis. Diarrhea. Toes intolerance that whenever I don't believe so I don't believe that makes him high risk. For the first one was right, no, no, no, it wasn't was awesome also. I always say that I ever take, that's the wrong one. Something triggered that person. Because I'm so stupid. But Hey they listen on purpose. They know how dumb I am. Okay well, that's that's good I. I, wouldn't. Want alternative quite I got it. Okay. Is the right one stops seeing diverticulitis. Idiot never. In my life until I started talking about how Gibson, why does he ruin everything? He's my boy. Took Charlotte out this morning. Grasp what they shit, so he's not even doing a good job. Right Cole Hamels, let's move over to the angels, because now it's not as I kind of rank these in order of. Strength of confidence projected by teams here for do going Hamels. They're locked as far as right right this moment. They're set to go there. Teams feel very confident. The angels were are hoping are feeling. Better about these three, but they don't know Otani as far as pitching griffin canning and feel expenditure. The they had lost three key parts there because canning was battling an elbow in. Penha needed surgery late last August for Horny Seattle. And of course Otani still working back from TJ. So obviously there in order there on purpose Otani dropdown canning. Drop down again paying as far as i. kind of see them, but start with Otani. They're hopeful that he can pitch. How do you feel about Otani and are you drafting him in this? Is your opinion of him. Change at all in the sixty game season as far as trying to utilize him. Let's assume that your site would allow you to get him as the pitcher. As. A single entity and you can move in between the two pitching and hitting. I mean I still like. Otani quite a bit. Me Part of me wishes that they would just say hey, you know what short sprint. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA. Just let you hit, but they've got their eyes set I think competing this year and in a short sample they have a chance to I think and so they're going to roll with it and I'm GonNa Roll with them. already have him on a number of teams. I'm going to Definitely target him. In the main event I if if I can you know largely depends on kind of Ross construction price in price. Oh! Let's see where he was going pre startup one eighteen. Who that? Pain I'm paying that I am. Paying anything that's triple digits for sure and I'm not even fully against some double digit lead to do some. Would you rather stay with him? freaky montage is going. Pick one hundred. That's not fair to that to me. Make me pick between my babies. He's. My baby to. I'm going to go just because it has a security blanket of just putting them as a hitter, yeah! let's do a hitter. Then let's go Josh Bell at Pick Ninety Oh. That's really interesting and then bells. Being a little bit slept on because You know he didn't finish as strong as he started and now it gets to go against those some of those pictures in the Al Central and I think there's a little. Unfortunately doesn't get his own team, but yeah gets gets tigers and royals, and even second half of the white sox rotation. You know I I'm reading some of these, but we don't know that rain on the low pay and Dylan seats are GonNa, do well. We don't even know the Kaikal is going to do well, so it could just be Giuliano an Mary Band of idiots, so there could be three teams to pick on their for the other central teams. Still going to go tony. That razor close. As as we've had the quarantine time I've kind of given more thought and consideration to l.. He's going to move up my base rankings when I-. Rerun those, but I'm still gonNA. Go Otani here, probably a little bit of favoritism. I don't know if I can give you a perfect case as to why I'll just admit that I think it's a little bit of favoritism toward Otani. How about a pitcher sunny gray? I have gray ranked high. I do too. and. My rankings I. You know I. Try to assume that you're going to be able to utilize the hitting piece, too. So to that end. I'd have to say gray. Yeah I do too, but now that I'm thinking about this. I've gotTA. Move Otani oh. My ranks in terms. To, you'll still be below grade though I really buy into. Did last year I'm not a big gray guy, but the more and more I looked at him. kind of during this quarantine time, the more and more I was like I can't have him outside of my top thirty pitchers. Yeah, I. Don't think I. Don't think that's justifiable. Stance I agree with your movement, so but that being said I ranked Otani at forty five and I think he's gotta go way up and so I'm gonNA push him up. Past Mike Minor Pasts ooh. Here's a good one matthew, boyd or Otani Oud. Go Tony but boyd. Boy Is I am a boy. State about it, but I'm Tara, Boy Alex DAVID PRICE Row Tani. Tani above above those guys I've got him in right at thirty right now. Okay I'M GONNA move. Up to thirty two right by Candida. Oh, I love to. That's a good group there that area. I can be shopping in that spot. good bit 'cause I. I like a lot of those guys that you named for sure and I think that's kind of like Luke. Weaver Joel Musk Grove area as well. We'll. See Lots of lots of guys. I like so. I'll be around that area right, right? My my thirty through Let's see thirty through. Thirty seven are gallon. Cancel my Ada Otani David Price. Who Will Your is? Matthew Boyd Mike Minor and then Trevor Bauer. Dang. Group! Group all right well. That's Otani, so canning was getting somebody. But then The elbow issue really kind of put everyone behind you know. Put off of canning. Saying I can't really take him right now I know. I know before that like February drafts. He was definitely Ashiq. Pick then it kind of went completely the way I think he'll give us an ADP update where he was going. But what do you think about Griffin canning now that they've got some hope for him to be ready to go to. This one really pose it me. Because from a straight skills perspective I love canning, and I was going to be really hyped on him coming into the year and the elbow issues of really dropped me completely off. I am probably staying away. He's I. Mean he was going to pick four twenty nine, but. I think that is going to change dramatically now. This news has come out. I just can't imagine. He's GonNa end up on any of my teams currently. my eighty seventh ring starting pitcher. In a trio actually of a Los, Angeles angels of Dylan Bundy Sandoval and gaining so. I. I probably GONNA? move him down. From there, too. I just I can't rationalize taking him with you know in the same way that I'm. Scared about Cole. Hamels I have to be scared. The same way about Griffin canning that there's a reasonable chance that I could get five innings and that's it. True. That's true. I understand that I understand that trepidation there with him, so you have to be careful. And then Felix deeply consideration. She somebody that you've that you've had any fondness for in those deeper leagues not really. Okay then. We don't need to really get too detailed into him. Does he rank in your top one seventy five. Oh, my top one! Fifty is nine one fifty OK. Okay. That's rude. To See. See in your top anything. Hang. On let me see if I talked on a school. Here made fun. You'll have him now. He's not yeah exactly. And I went one seventy, three deep in the offseason. So there you go. I'm moving up to twenty just by you good. I open the same main event. You're going GONNA drop injured guys, so I was surprised. You don't like him. I guess he's to healthy for now. Do. Who Knew All right moving on? It is strategy time. She's GonNa. Talk some general bits about strategy here because you know, there's still a lot to learn, and they're still eighty billion more, Kovin, cases to happen and I'm not saying that to be. Negative or flip. It's true. There's going to be more. But let's talk some general strategies right now about what you're thinking. Let's start with prospects now? I'm talking about prospects who have not appeared in the majors yet. So and not I will exclude Robert from this because he has a deal, so there's no service time issues to be concerned with for him I'm talking like Nate Pearson. Casey Mayes. Joe Adele players of that boy Mackenzie Gore Mackenzie Gore so. What is your general strategy with those guys? My general strategy is the guys who are on bad teams that are likely not going to even try to compete. are pretty much off my board, so guys like Matt Manning in Casey, Mayes. who were originally ranked in my top one, twenty six, I think I did. was my lapse. Rankings They're completely off. My ranks 'cause I. Don't see any reason why the Tigers would even consider having them on their roster. At any point like do not allow them accrue any service I'm whatsoever This is not going to the year for the Tigers They're eyeing. You Know Two thousand twenty two more than likely, so they get out next year. So I'm staying away from all of those kind of guys for the most part now. The guys that I think were going to be early call-ups or had a shot at making the. Day rotation or starting lineup. Those guys become very very interesting I can't remember who tweeted it out. you know, and so I I'm sorry I can't give credit. But, there was a beat writer that said that the. Blue Jays can keep nate piercing down on the on the taxi squad for seven days and get an extra service time. Aaron is. That's the that's the Chris Bryant. Cutoff seven is is going to be seven days which means every team that's prospect like neaten Pearson. But wants him on that Major League squad this year will do that. Now you know that is one tenth of the season. If we're playing a ten week season. Yes, that being said it's only a week. And you can put someone on your reserve list for a week and be totally fine and so I. I'm definitely going to be. actually should probably look right put Pearson because I should probably move up no matter where I put him. and Mackenzie Gore is in that same boat. Spencer Howard is likely going to be in that same boat. I put Pearson at eighty five, but he's going to be shooting up a little bit for me. probably up to where I have Mackenzie Gore, which is around pick fifty three. SO! Now you I like like we said with a lot of these of all tall guys. You don't WanNa load your team up with them on his sleep, but yeah I definitely want to get these guys on a team or two in my upcoming drafts. Okay I think that's All right again, not going overboard. I think it's totally fine. To get one? Maybe, two depending on on your league setup and all that and. I think I'm with you where I would try to make Whether on the on the ball clubs that have a real chance because I I don't really know that the Tigers are going to do that I mean they were talking about this year that they could make it in the The that they could make it up in the sorrow like maybe sometime around we'll. Maybe not now I think I. I was thinking more July personally, but. Now. Does it really make any sense in this weird season at the same time? A whole season of not pitching Let's see bad. I wouldn't surprise me if these guys. Talking about a you know extended in a larger Arizona Fall League. Yeah, so they'll get shots there and I mean they'll be doing work. They'll just be out the facility somewhere you know and and not on on the taxi squad. Necessarily saw a would not be you know it'd be nice to know who's on these tax squad, and we should know that probably about the beginning of next week, or at least you're is going to be on kind of the the larger ones before they cut him down and And that will give us some idea if a guy like miser, manning or school, or are on these on Detroit's a taxes squad, but I I can't imagine they really want to give these guys any sort of service time in a pro on a pro-rata basis it just it doesn't make any sense from them from a from a business standpoint I'm into the sea where piercing goes in-draughts because Ami to Let's see he. He was going round pick to eighty six. That is going to shoot up. Like. Daddy I'm GonNa go through the roof and if it does and we start talking about him going. Like if he starts going inside the top two hundred. That's that becomes very difficult for me. As we're talking about him going around the same area as Luke, weaver, and injure Heaney, and ahead of guys that are like like Mitch Keller. Then I'd I can't do that. Yeah. That's too much because that week matters. We're GONNA phrase it as just a week. But like you said it's. It's still a big portion of the season. Let's be honest. We don't know exactly what we're going to get from him like you know at. least, east and we have no idea where where Toronto's playing like there's a lot of question marks, but he he should It's a beast. He should shoot up and I mean deservedly so but. Like, would you rather have Pearson or your Your boy? Dylan Bundy. Going to pick to fourteen. I'm taking money. Would you rather have a? Pearson or Joe Moscow going at pick to seventeen. Moscow. Would you rather have Pearson or Josh Josh James Going at to twenty four? James! would. You Rather Have Pearson or Mitch. Keller going at two, thirty, one or two thirty two. Cal. Houser going also at two thirty two. Yeah, same. Thing I'm not getting. Caleb Smith at two thirty five. You know how much eight Smith so. Yeah. It's just so hard to know what is such, a massive, unknown and missing time I know I. Don't know I don't know torn John Gray to forty four. Which? I don't. Of course I I think. That, that really begs the question on on some of these cores pitchers to like. Short season. If you're trying to avoid blowups, I think you've got a a I'm I'm really jumping out on the course. pitchers fact that Jerry is Austin from friends fancy benefits in. MVP Mid Point that I think Marquez had the most second half innings. Last year, which is an interesting that he he, he wow. He racked up the most second half innings in the majors last year. Wow okay. I don't know if you want all those innings, but sure shirt. I don't want the ones in Colorado. That's Dame's yeah. That's her. Last. Would you rather have Pearson or your boy earns volley. Savelli okay. Love some only. So. It's definitely where I'm mad. They're all right, so that's prospects. Kind of go the other way well, not the other way. Let's let's let's. Move from the prospects. TUCK age about players dinner in the League. Are you going to have a? Lean of like I'm taking guys. Put Twenty six under in the thing, maybe twenty five and under or twenty. On the veterans who are in their in their peak. Are you gonNA have a lean one way or another when it comes to that aspect of drafting That you think could could have an advantage at all. Not the not any different than I've treated it normally I. Don't I'm mean it's I. This is such a unique situation trying to find that kind of advantage there I, think is just. A, fool's errand and I. Think some people will say well, you know. Veterans. Have you know they've done? You know kind of the are they have the training under the belt to do this kind of start stop start thing, and and some people are like well the younger players will you know their bodies are GonNa be in better shape I. I don't know and so I'm just GonNa treat it the way I would normally treat things, which is You know guys who I think look like they're in position to break out like Illinois. One of my teams guys that I don't think are in position breakout then I don't WanNa my teams. Yeah I, I don't think I would have any sort of Age Age set up for the rest of my squad. We're taking talent you know. We're we're taking talent, and we're not necessarily thinking that that one one group or another is going to be a better bet inherently so. Not so much there. Let's go to then hitting versus pitching the. Are you GonNa? Have a particularly in there. Do you think? Do you think. There's going to be so much volatility with so much of the starting pitching that you're. GonNa say GimMe Aces, and you're going to have three aces in your first six pigs. or where do you think you might lean if again if you will, you might not have a heavy lean say. I'm going to take best talent I'm going to have the same strategies. I would have had in March, but I'm curious. If the sixty game season changes anything to that aspect for you, I don't think it necessarily changes like whether or not I'm going to lean on pitching more heavily. Heavily early or not, I do think it changes the way. Maybe I look at certain players in terms of what teams guys are on and trying to kind of guess okay. I feel like this team. A team like Tampa Bay a team like Milwaukee are going to be much more likely to rely on their bullpens and using the depth from that taxes squad in those bullpens As opposed to leaning hard on starters, whereas you know team like the Astros, dusty Baker, we know he's GonNa lean on starters, and so if I want those innings attack. Those Astros starters I want to and I'm probably going to avoid some of the you know secondary pieces in Milwaukee. Secondary pieces in Tampa Bay, so a guy like Josh Lewin Bloom. You know while he. He went up in my ranks. That's just because I had him much lower than I probably should have in my last ranking but he's probably still knock and end up on any of my teams. You know guy like Brendan McKay of Tampa. Bay is a guy that I was already avoiding now. I'm definitely avoiding because I. Just don't know what Tampa Bay is going to do with him. And how much he might get jerk back and forth between the active squad and. And the taxi squad, so I didn't know what they were GonNa with him for full season. Yeah in. Just you know Charlie Morton Guy that I'm not worried about. I think they're just going to let him go. tyler glass now I know lot of people are really really interested in him. But I mean he had injury issues at the end of last year. He's got a history of injuries. I, you know Tampa. Bay likes to do weird things with their pitching staff in their bullpen that. Teams, won't because they're innovative in kind of ahead of the curve like I I didn't bus tyler glass. My ranks in the same way that a lot of other people did and you know which likely means I'm not gonNA have. Many shares of Tyler glass now. And I'm okay with that. You should because he's not good noticed. That just kidding. Just kidding I'm not doing that again. Is Good just still WANNA see. Still still not diving in like fifteen where some folks have glass now I love the talent though. okay, so yeah, those are the those are kind of main strategy questions that I've been looking at right now. Just kind of some. Thirty thousand feet wants some general ones. anything that you're looking at specifically with regards to strategies right now as we kind of start to prep for the for spring, do and potential drafts that are gonNA. Take off! Yeah I'm I'm really going to spend some time here. Just kind of digging into what the schedule is going to be looking like I mean I. Pretty sure I saw yesterday that it's going to be forty games in division in your normal division, and then one ends. You're a partition exactly and so I mean that. Changes things for you know certain certain teams certain players in divisions, talking about how the the amount of games that teams will play in rocky field in the West It's definitely going to affect Sorry, yeah, chorus field in the West You know how how many games we're going to get played in Yankee stadium by a team like the braves so I, definitely going to start really kind of digging into that because I think schedule is going to really matter in a way that maybe season-long players or kind of accustomed to. 'CAUSE! Going to be such a confined deal, sixty games and sixty six days and You know I think I. Think one of the biggest advantages that you can have at this point is knowing the player pool. Deeply as will allow you because. With these Cova cases that aren't going to stop y'all I mean they're not going anywhere. There's GonNa be more before there's any fear that's for darn sure. You're GONNA WANNA. Know these these taxi squad guys, and who has the chance to come up and get some real playing time you know the the next man up type of thing we could have a scenario where. I Dunno forgiven. Keb Brian as playing for three weeks or something. And people know him. But! You gotta find out all these players on the teams. Maybe not him because he's a prospect, maybe not. Hayes is a prospect, but like and playing in Pittsburgh. Win Compete Johnson, so everybody was excited about like Jared Leva like likely I mean he's wanted, maybe an exception actually because he's, he's an older prospect, and so they could for them on that taxi squad but he's also a guy where they go. Why why are we starting the clock on him at all, but your boy Bradley Zimmer could finally come back. Maybe you know something happens I mean first off. He could just take the Greg Allen Job, and it could be Santana Zimmer McConnell in the outfield. But something could come come up all of a sudden. He's thrust back into like an important role, and you want to be aware of knowing about Bradley Zimmer so once we get everything situated, and he kind of announced where they're at I recommend getting on those resource pages, and really starting to look deep, even if you are in a shallow league was saying it's not just US fifteen team and Allen only leaguers. This is important for ten and twelve teamers because of the COVID. Lingering overhead that can cut out to take out anybody at any moment so that that's kind of where I'm at with everything. in regards to dealing with Kobe, so it's GonNa be. It's GonNa? Be Crazy in really is an probably has the fifty billion more time before this season. Get started because I think it's already been crazy. We're only getting. Guys have getting Kovin. And we haven't even really announced. The roster's yet so I, I am getting some excitement, have you? Have you scheduled any leagues yet? I'm literally. GonNa, schedule one main event is soon as we're done with this we've just made the decision that the BARF league is not going to redraft or add another league so we're just GonNa roll with whatever got, and there's some pretty big stakes in that bar fleet I. Don't know if you've heard about this but Ma Matt Tell, Matthew Davis at Mattie would on twitter definitely a great guy in the industry really smart guy. Should be falling. He made the comment speaking with him. ooh, yeah, on leads show sorry to interrupt and just wants to before you get into what Matt said. GonNa be with on Vlad's. We're supposed to meet up at the main event this year. But of course that didn't happen. We talk with Matt, so give us the details here on on the BARF league. Yeah, so Matt. Matt is a trash talker. Eighty grade trash talker. And he made the comment a few weeks ago. That if I beat them in the bar fleet, he will get a justin. Mason Tattoo on his ass. Oh my God, are you serious? Yes, and so he very much wanted to redraft to account for this smaller sample. But I told I told the group. You know it needed to be unanimous decision to redraft or to have a second league and enough people have said that they do not want to redraft or or have a second leading. So. We're just rolling for what we got so I know that's a league where I lost. Severino so he's got a little bit of an advantage there. I I don't know who's on his team, but. Very much looking forward to. Getting Adjusted Mason character. tattooed on Matt. Davis has ass. That's amazing I love that. All right Oh last thing. Speaking of Lee Leagues, we talked about some. Stuff TJ FBI. Staying as is yes tgif staying is is I will send out an email to all the competitors and the Satellite Leagues staying is obviously NFC will change. The innings limit I believe it's going to be three hundred innings pitched is what I saw so but to have fab the weekend before the start of the season. The I fab run. people can replace their Noah. SYNDERGAARD's and Chris Sales and things like that but yeah, it's going to proceed as normal, and I'm really looking forward to getting that Asterix trophy. The money still spends. All that money from TV FBI. Freely I I just met some of the other week. But yeah, did you have still go and as is my teams can dominate. Don't worry about it all right, Justin we back next Tuesday. Talking pitching have a good week at peace. Take it easy. Aw.

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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 759  Hot Stove Stays Toasty

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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 759 Hot Stove Stays Toasty

"Perhaps seven fifty nine of the sleeper in the buzzed. It is Thursday December fifth. I'm euros pulse for joined by two gentlemen not only Justin Mason but also nick. Nick pollock got both guys here. Justin how're you doing. This feels like being on a date with your wife's boyfriend nick. What's uh-huh what is happening? I touched to be that way so setting up things and had both kinda reach Donghae episode. Yeah you know what. Let's just combine it. Let's just jump in together and enough pitching stuff to Not Bore Nick while we talk about hitters hadn't talked to Justin in a while so figured it's it's best to get the three of us together and we've actually got plenty of talking about. I gotta say guys this off season and one of the best W been far away the best in the last three years. The last two seasons were pretty bland really. Didn't gain thing this is playing out like a what I would call a normal offseason right. I you know it's not like the big shoes have dropped yet on rundown coal Strasbourg. I wouldn't expected that to though anyway. That's that's not. Ah Ab normal to me. The big dogs usually aren't until the winter meetings at the earliest anyway and often into James. That's fine but we're getting plenty of solid mid not your moves and we've got more. That have happened since I last convened Just an tons since you and I wanted to talk Nick Nick. Let's start with Zach. We were though That one China went rumor. Rumor rumor done right. There was like a bubble of rumors and then it was done A. It's getting into nine figures and then all of a sudden philly had him for one hundred eighteen mill for five years. Nick I will start with you on this one. He's definitely finally an interesting drop here because I feel like he was probably going to be the backup plan for some folks that didn't get colour Strasbourg but when the a backup plan goes I kinda changes some things. We knew it was going to be aggressive again. This off season after things didn't really go well last year. What do you think about about Zack Wheeler as a philly? Well also have all the teams rumored to go after wheeler. I'm so disappointed I was the phillies. You get the sense of those teams like say the White Sox who just got GRONDAHL or the twins even the angels. I I think all of them could fix wielder or at least have a better chance of doing in the semis him right. I want to fix because I feel like you know strong near but but but Max that's right. Because he has three secondary pitches that all failed to have higher than a thirteen percent swing strike rate last year. It's a slider curveball. And changeup I mean wheelers changeup. Ed is really like a split changeup. Seem I see that as a scholar as well but the four seamer going upstairs allies so important for wheeling with the mets when a lot of in and out that is east West. which isn't really the best strategy for and especially with Willson Romo setting up the I? Hi doing that. It's just. It was just so frustrating to watch that and I was really hoping for someone. The White Sox who have a lot of pitchers pitch high fastballs Lopez. Does that Dylan Lucas. Cheerleader does that and for him to fit into that. We've been fantastic fantastic but with the phillies. Well they're not really. That's accessible developing their talented arms at the moment and a does give me hesitation. I mean I will say this. We had about a four year last year. From Zack Wheeler. I don't really think this is going to be all too much different now. There's a chance. Obviously they does repeat the two dozen eighteen hundred thirty one ear a but I'm not too optimistic as I would have been if you went somewhere else elites second have each of the last two years just in balancing going off of what nick finished with their. Do you see a change in wheeler's fantasy value or is this kind of overall neutral move. I definitely don't think it's it's neutral. I think it's going to help in some ways and hurt and others the pardon that make it neutral. Well depends on what you're looking for. I I guess I mean if you're looking just overall value sure I mean. We saw velocity uptick last year. which was which is always nice? I worry about him moving out of the mets park in two Philadelphia's because jerk a huge park shift park factor shift And we did see. I mean he didn't give up a ton of home runs last year. And so I'm I'm I'm kind of interested to know why steamer is projecting him to have a huge just jumping home runs. I'm guessing it's just part factor move but that would be scary for me so I do think he is probably on a better hurt team though. ICEE that questioning -ly it should be a better team you know. It wasn't last last year right because the men were better my few games. But when you're in that five game range I don't think that you could say definitively. That one was better than the other and again I think the phillies are not done. They're going to keep. I know that we've heard them still talking to Strasbourg and all that. I'm not sure that they're going to go that big. But they're gonNA they're gonNA make a few more impact moves moves. I believe in so they will be a good team. And I hear you nick on what you're saying as far as Phillies are certainly not known for extracting eighteen that extra level of value out of guys. But I think sometimes we don't know everything that goes on in the front office as far as getting some of those guys in there it'd it'd be like statistical guru or maybe what Joe Girardi could bring onfield. I sorta coaches. He's bringing on and so maybe maybe they've got something in store for. Are we learn. But even if status quo were what we got from him I think we I think we can be happy there. Because it's been two really strong ears out of Zack Wheeler Any finishing dodds there. Before I move onto the next one seems like he's just the kind of the same guy. We expected him to be last year. So getting Knicks. Right you know just a sub four Yara two hundred strikeouts I wouldn't expect a massive step forward and I think some people were hoping for that for next year. Well I have a better defense which is good. I mean. It's all the bills but the mets were the worst they I and After a couple years of being one of the worst the phillies have have made an effort to improve their right so that should help that whip a little a little bit nine hip or nine we saw from wheel last year. Should be a little bit better. I would imagine which would help from one twenty-six hopefully down to one twenty four wheeler. I think that's very attainable So if you have that as a three six era with a one twenty whip and maybe twenty five percent Kerry I mean that's very very within his grasp here so here for that. Yeah that sounds about right and that's cool. That's good. I mean. I think he went. He went close to closer to forty. I think thirty in the recent It's wilting rated. PG that we have. And I think that's yeah that sounds right to ADP as we move onto Cole Hamels. Let's Talk Amazon. Stay in the same division here The braves counter with with the Cole. Hamels move obviously they weren't. I don't think they're playing in the same pool here where they're trying to get one of the top top dogs I know there's been some rumors of mad bummed there in lieu of that. I think this is the move that they're that they're doing with the Cole. Hamels one year eighteen male. We know that one year deals Difficult to fail so a plus. We don't really care as much about terms in the fantasy realm anyway unless they start to dictate playing time putting Cole Hamels on Atlanta Up Up and down season with the with with the cubs last year where the results weren't too bad but it was definitely a shift after he got hurt and when he came back back things really went went sideways. There if you look at it Cole. Hamels actually had a sub three era through June and then he got hurt missed. All of July came back actually opened with five shutout innings and then from there on the rest of the way was was pretty wobbly with a six fifty seven. Era Forty strikeouts in thirty seven innings though Oh and wound up with a three eighty one ear. A it was only seven seven to the cubs. Didn't really support him much. There one thirty nine web but Cohen was going to be thirty. Six six now still has a great changeup. Just I'll start with you on Hamels in Atlanta. Do you think he's going to be better worse. Or the same than twenty nineteen. I mean he's Cole Hamels. I think he's going to be just about the same. So we're looking at maybe like one hundred and sixty innings things of mid high threes. Er a fair amount strikeouts to go along with that. I think he is is going to be perfectly fine but considering where he's going in terms of ADP right now. He's a huge discounts so left-handed kind neutralizes the the park factors that short porch in Atlanta. So I I liked this move. Yeah I quite like it too. And and I you mentioned the price point on Cole Hamels. That's something that I'm definitely interested by. One Hundred Sixteenth PITCHER WE STILL HAVE S. PRP splits on the NFC. He data which is a bit of a bummer but I mean that's around. Pick three hundred. We know about fantasy ageism. We talk about it all the time you know once guy starts getting into the mid thirty s outside of being one of the top dogs of the entire game like overlander. They're just GONNA they're just GonNa come cheaper so the fact that. Hey I was. This is coming off a little bit of a Lesser Year particularly with that whip. The three hundred twenty are still looks. Pretty Solid In the fact that he was seven and seven had the injury finished poorly too. I think did that. Lasting impact of finishing on a down note is also influencing the price. Sign me up. I think that's somebody that I put as a rotation filler there as you're taking some of those gambles you bounce it out. I like to balance things out With somebody that I think is a little more stable nick. I know you're not so much for that a lot a lot of times. We talked about the difference between twelve and fifteen but I think even in a twelve team or I don't think there's anything wrong with having stability and that's something that Cole Hamels offers with that change up and Quality fastball command. I think he's somebody who's GonNa continue to age gracefully when what do you think about. Hamilton Atlanta Yeah Hamels went seventy seventh. ADP as far whereas the startup the board and the and the The twelve teamers that we did this extra after we did. And I'm here to me. I mean I know that I will likely Campbell's is going to be someone that floats on your wire. I think especially with circus at all early but at the same time. Yeah you could probably expect something around a four year. If you do want the very the end there isn't anything else to chase. I'm okay with hamlets in your twelve teamer But he is still a little bit of toby for me with slight tinge of strike at upside twenty percent last two years. Yeah that one dip in two thousand seventeen but Hamels premature always been at twenty percent strike out guy. That's actually exactly his career mark. It was interesting from last year. Is He did change with a couple of things festival. Las Did go down a tick and it wasn't nearly as effective as it used to be. So you had to throw more cutters inside the zone. which is all right and it worked and that's kind of the mentality of the cubs? We saw that with you darvish as well Cole. Hamels also have really effective changeup. Last year is change a kind of back to what it used to be. A twenty five percent swing. Strike re pitch forty percent swing even through in the zone a little bit more at their two percent. Only one fifty nine batting average allowed on it. I wonder if he's going to embrace that cutter changeup mentality a little bit more moving forward. He did increase his used. A little bit in that second half as well and pulled back in the fastball around forty five percent so that all sounds good and it does seem like. He can't keep doing this even though he is going to be. Thirty six next year But hamels in the braves leaves rotation I mean. I don't think it changes much of my assessment based on the cubs versus the braves agreed. It's I mean you have the marlins be also had a last. You had the pirates. I mean it's not really any different I think. Yeah and you're still going to have some tough teams there right you know when when you're facing the phillies the aforementioned phillies the mets. I still think you're going to be a capable offense. You're not going to be ecstatic that you're facing them in Washington. They've got moves to make but I think they're going to strengthen their offense right now it looks Kinda the juicy it's like it's like the top half is good and then the ugly but they're gonNA fill in that bottom half and could even become the top half because if they don't and then some other guys that we're GonNa talk about later. I think they're going to change their makeup so I think Washington is still going to be a tough. I agree with you if you had stayed with the comes it would about the same outlook for Cole Hamels. I like that there. Let's move on. Let's Talk Dylan. Bundy knew he was on his way out. Baltimore they don't they don't like pitchers that they layer. So we knew that that something was going GonNa be happening here. I thought profile for for Bundy was get a nice move. I was hoping that I was a fortune teller and I was going to be able to predict that they move profile out to San Diego. We'll get into that in a few moments but Bundy does go out west. But it's to the angels for a host of prospects. None of of whom are particularly noteworthy. So we're really focused on Bundy to the angels. Nick can this move on. Lock something for Bundy. First off at least the Ballpark ballpark should help curb. Some of that. Home run rate As as as well as road ballparks. Because he's not going to be going to New York and Boston and Toronto. But but is this the move that actually makes bundy into a more fantasy viable asset here. Well it's going to get more fantasy viable. I don't know if it is actually really full. IRRELEVANCY I I will say I one thing I will be looking at from Bundy. Early is please throw your slider at least thirty percent of the time. Not This twenty three percent that we've seen over the years with the Orioles. It's such a good pitch. Twenty percent swing strike rate forty one percent zone rate forty two percent swing he just gets you know strikes easily and then Babbel's playing the whole thing in strikeouts. It's just what you want. Anna fastball is so bad not to mention you also has a good change change in his back pocket. Forty nine percent swing on the eighteen percent swing strike rate and forty two percents own rate his to weapons Bundy can be effective pitcher if he really focuses on. Those two secondary pitches a lot Michael Jetta wrote a going deep Epidural is just a moment ago talking about actually maybe singers little bit. Just because a fastball is so bad the four seamer so maybe that will help because it is a little bit lower. It's right ninety. One Ninety two as opposed the explosive ninety. Four Ninety five that you wanna see with someone These days as but I think it can help someone to consider. He went one zero two in the twelve team or ADP That's a nice. Maybe last round pick. I think that will go up with him in Baltimore. It's not gonNA skyrocket but just on getting off of Baltimore alone and a renewed the regardless of how founded it is. I think it's at least some founded as you're outlining here. There's going to be a renewed interest in Bundy for some folks. That's going to moved up again. I don't think it's going to go sky high too where he's going to become cost prohibitive but I think Bundy's price will jump with this and I'm still in I. They have a hard time quitting bundy. I would've again. I would have loved the Oakland thing just because He I think he'd be a great fit out there but Angel Stadium isn't too bad. I think that they're going to continue to do work here. Angel Stadium isn't good since they've lowered that wall either though so I mean they. They were like they gave up like the fifth. Most host home runs in their stadium. Pitching staff that's because they had bad pitchers though too. I mean I think the what is dealer Bundy Lake. Are we talking about like like this. Like like moving from one not good stadium to maybe slightly better stadium. Doesn't make him a good good pitcher. I think it's a markedly better stadium. I mean I'm not gonna I'm not GonNa put much weight on shifting stadiums personally. I think it's more just. Let's just see if his approach approach changes. I think the orioles are not necessarily the organization. Made me me. They are now. I know that they haven't been making a lot of good front office changes but in the past there ah encouraging to suggest that maybe bundy starts doing things differently. And that's really the only way I'd put on this but we want the problem is we won't know about that until it's yeah I mean. Obviously he's not going to be drafted and just about any more or a mixed league format so he's GonNa be. It could be like a last round pick and it's going to be drafted twenty three. I mean I'm seeing guys every envelopes Sanchez. Maybe fifteen teamer urine. I mean He. He's three seventy so I mean outside of Grafton holds like he's not really being dragged Ulta more. I mean that's still being drafted a reserve picking fifteen teamers but he's definitely going to be drafted in every fifteen team and he's going to be drafted in some twelve teamers. Baltimore I think's GonNa make make a difference here and I think it's GonNa push push people draft Bundy's I think it'll be interesting you know he's going to be a waiver. Favor waiver guy in ten teamers. Put Him on your watch list and in a host of twelve for sure but fifteen team which is what you and I focused on most Justin he's going to draft it here in San. I like like Oh let me give you some. Would you rather have guys that. Would you rather draft on Dylan Bundy. All guys is that are going underneath him. Would you rather draft Dylan. Bundy or Alex Rodriguez Bundy kidding. Really take greyhounds. Hey how's that fits your mo so much you are obsessed with injure dudes but yes Jesus keep taking the guy who has like five innings a year. Yes I'd rather have five innings a year then like a hundred and fifty really bad ones. Okay cool go ahead next By the way this is This is the only case where maybe guys more interesting at twelve than fifteen because because you would want chase that flyer in its wealthy when you have a larger waiver Popo fifteen. You might need to not you. You can't take that chance. Let's not overstate. What like he was really really bad in eighteen? But other than that he's like you know. Four something like four seventy nine one thirty six with a strikeout printing in fifteen teamer whatever that's like you know streaming fodder reserve fodder lake. Bundy was awful and eighteen but he was not terrible last year as far as the fifteen guy but go ahead and take Alex rates. Who Else you got here Casey mice? You're more take Casey mayes over Dylan about sixty Sanchez. Would you rather bigger behind that. I like you guys are crazy like holding these. This is for you. This is why he didn't have a reserve. Ross for half the Iran. I'd rather. I'd rather wait on them on for a month and hope that maybe there's a chance what's that one of them comes up is maybe not But Chant Sanchez. You're doing though by by holding onto that to you. Also missing the the most volatile period the most important period to have bench spots in April. Exactly I just I I can't those are terrible. We'll say with sponsor right away you'll know right away okay. Is this something I want to go into or not would rather have Spencer Turnbull. I mean just like I I mean Matt Likes Fencer Turbo but but no. That's closer Jim. I Alex Young God. No Oh you definitely thought you would like Alex team or darling I just I I I just hate Dylan Bundy. Apparently we've learned Corbin Burns. GimMe Corbin Burns like I just more do you want not. I'd rather not GonNa let me start again. I don't think why wouldn't they they don't they just DFA or a non tender team and junior. I mean they don't have anybody to start on that team. I think they're going to the market but you they've shown a propensity to go out and get stuff. Well Kaikal TAB CAIN GRONDAHL like they have gone out in the market and gone and stuff. What are you talking about all over the map to your all over the map? I'm roasting left owning. You know but listen listen. I'm not sitting here pretending Bundy's elite at is price. I like him. And none of those names you mentioned are particularly close. Turn was about the closest and in that tiebreakers breaker is going to be giving you the guy who's done the markedly better team in. La is exponentially better than the Tigers. Let's be honest in every facet like the fastest that that would help pitcher to bullpen and defense so Yeah Bundy for sure there All right we got. We are a little bit on time so we don't want to get too far afield here which it'll be difficult with the three of us but over to bike Mike Moussaka. Someone said Michael. I'm his father. Michael Moose stocks goes on to Cincinnati on a four year deal finally gets paid Again Germs are not the biggest issue for us in the fantasy realm. I'm just happy that he got paid because felt he was getting short short. Change the last couple couple years For the production that he was putting up so he gets a big deal. Here it's going to be the second Baseman in Cincinnati. Just start with you Would you rather have Casey reminds or Mike Mushtaq going from Milwaukee to Cincinnati neutral. Probably as far as like all that sort of stuff what what do you think about. Moose one we'll say that isn't so neutral as I think he's going to be inserted. Is that fourth guy whereas he was more of a five six guy with Milwaukee. Yeah I think he. He's not only going to be that guy but that Milwau- or that Cincinnati lineup just. Got A lot better and this is a team. That's got the maybe the one of the best rotations in the National League. I don't WanNa say best but I think there's an argument. Especially if they had landed wheeler or if they end up landing another another top tier starter or something. Yeah I mean this is a team that can really make a huge jump this year I believe I believe he is. He still multi-positional eligible coming into next thing he will have second and third yes He's just a of I think he's pretty good. Bet To repeat what we saw last season in Cincinnati. So for me I think I wanna see where he's going in terms terms of ADP but Look in that up. I WANNA point out one thing five. I'm fine with that like he's Kinda boring but he's boringly solid two. You know. It's like one of those things where it's like. Hey the Mousse is definitely somebody who just put in what he's already done. Don't don't necessarily give him some big sort of growth but there is also a little bit above side there particularly with this lineup because runs on the RB is for sure. Yeah yeah it was awful last year but it was great in eighteen and a could get back to some quality this year If Jesse winker first off new incarnate occur stay healthy which I know is a giant if well they won't make the trade I'm GonNa make Episode winker made a trade with them. So I'm glad yeah I didn't. We weren't both messing with the reds. But winker three seventy nine last year's Joey votto obviously he's a career for twelve but excuse me the last three years three fifty seven last year would still work and then soir three sixty four. That's three big. Ob guys ahead of moves. He could finally get that one hundred year one hundred year one hundred. RBI season then he. He's been looking for the last couple years and definitely put up the production again. But maybe just not been part of the right line up when he was with Casey or in the right spot when he was with Milwaukee because he's been eighty five ninety five and eighty seven. The last three years for Moussaka. So I like him think. The price is fair. I think you just pencil. Insulin kind of You know thirty. Thirty five homers eighty five to ninety rabies to fifty average and take anything else as gravy. Just just any final thoughts on it before I moved to nick. Nick go ahead on Mike Mustafa's there's no hitter he plays. I don't know who he is. Yeah what is this Eminem Okay I is a nine percent walker which is really called. AL's occur best in two thousand nineteen good to see that opie. Go Up to about three thirty. which we haven't really seen since doesn't doesn't fifteen when he had about three fifty P.? For the royals I. It's been consistent. Production hard hit rates have been about forty percent in the last two years. Good to see that as well and swing strike rate eleven percent fine. I don't think that had strike rates ever really going to be above twenty percents of the ages a couple more years. That's an interesting factor for him. That yeah I know. Part of it is that he he hits on fly balls but the fact that he doesn't strike out a lot there could be that spike here like a random to seventy five to eighty as well. I think it would require some some changes with this batted ball profiled there but I love that. He's a power guy. Mustafa says that doesn't strike out. Those are tough to I find. It might be more so that he has decently. Ohio swing at thirty four percent in about two thirds contact which might be why. Maybe he's swinging a little too Wurley and then putting more balls in play than he should add to rights at two fifty nine hundred sixty constantly seen bad babs Moose DACAS and I might be part of the reason. Why on top of a forty five percent flyable rate I but Mississauga's me one thing? I will say I wonder if the reds are going to stick with vodka at the number two respond the entire year I mean he was definitely had his down year. It does look like that age is catching up. Joey votto and maybe mistake moves up to the three as they push up everyone which is then when even obviously emphasizes running. RBI totals even further with. Somebody considered. There I love me. Stock is right now. I think this is such an amazing fit. Obviously the park is incredible for him. He went on the thirteenth as a second Baseman in a twelve team remarks which is so good because it gets crowded with that right AH Escobar Kevin Visu Garrett Hamson are the next three and against him at one fifteen that's passed the tenth round. Essentially you said Bijal Hamson and who else Eduardo Escobar. At Fourteen Castle. Fifteen guarantee. You're talking to Justin and I in in obsessed with Garrett Hamson. I really like Beijing too. I think you do too as well. Justin so we like both those guys but don't get me wrong wrong. Their bank risks in comparison xactly at so between between the three there. I'm still taking moves over them easily and so I like I I liked what What he offers there and at the pick that he has he's become boring and people just a little bit and I like that for Mike Mushtaq as anything else on him nick? That's the way I am going to be targeting him a lot especially if this eighty six eight expected to go up to closer to eighty or so something around there as opposed to wonder if TAC right now. But I mean I love of it right now I could. I could see that and I still pay that. But I'm definitely interested in in Mike. Restock distant what he offers. Let's take a look at the jerks and profile. Dia hinted at it earlier. Gets traded out to San Diego San Diego's been making a lot of moves and I don't think that they're done at all it was a Was a small deal deal. How did they get him wasn't a trade trade would they can't find it it was the catcher? Oh that's right. That's right Austin Allen. Yeah sorry because I was looking here on the trade rumors and they don't. It's pretty much the as we're going to non tender correct row far and and Anybody give us anything. They got a little something he can hit but he can't catch and he's a catcher. Who can't catch yeah? Well that's okay. There's plenty of those in the major league so true they. They had one in In frigging Josh vaguely. But now they're going to be going to Sean Murphy but let's let's focus on pro so far he had a nice ear. Eighteen moves out to Oakland. And we're hoping that he can build on it obviously has park. You know changed a bit. But that wasn't why he had the year that he had just really struggled particularly out of the gate. His April was horrific He had a four ninety five. Hope Yes yes and he could never really get out from under that Not that the seven hundreds of opiates put up the next three months where all that good but if he put up a seven something in April as well this bottom line wouldn't have looked so bad. He ended up with a seven eleven at the end of the year. Thanks in enlarge part to nine twenty nine that he put up all finished pretty strong with six homers and nineteen rabies in the last two months there the one thing that jerks a profile are those who lost all that extra position eligibility so his fantasy value coming off a bit of a down season and getting rid of that fantasy eligibility justin has been curbed. subbed is profile. Somebody that interested in as Padre. No I mean he's going to be batting at the bottom of that lineup. More than likely he he is not a particularly good defender which go through some YIP's last year to real issues throwing? I'm from second to first which is not something I ever thought I would say about a player that was considered coming up a pretty good defender at shortstop I mean that's part of his. You know huge prospect pedigree. Those who forget the Rangers would not trade him to Miami for Stanton like that A long time ago but Yeah that was. That was a big swing and a mess. I just switch hitting shortstop. WHO's supposed be able to do everything he was it guy in the shoulder as have just devastated his career but yeah had some throwing the first And then I guess that the offense was tanking. It was a tough season. Form is going to be on his third team in three years with San Diego. I think the point that you mentioned about batting lower in the lineup is is tough tough to he could move up there is like rostrum restores. Has Trek Gresham there right now. If profile got going I could take that to spot. But don't don't you don't draft planning for that it's not. It's not as sexy enough profile not to mention. I don't really necessarily trust him to stay a healthy long term and while second base really does drop off after that Mushtaq is kind of tear. They're still guys in the lower ends ends where where profile is going that are just as interesting a do bon urea is there. Canot is is there I mean. There's there's guys who are just much more interesting and I think have much higher ups is them in Profiler A. Yeah someone like an ice and is actually pretty interesting to. I mean he's going over one hundred picks later Jonathan scope shed la at three eighty. Nine yeah I think there are some interesting interesting is like you said second base does drop off but if we are in this drags area where we're getting reserve pig type. I would rather simone other folks Nick any additional thoughts on jerks and profile here. I don't know there's a whole uh-huh just talked about but I do about him. How are you not talk? Matt Josh. Ross in that conversation Mason if you want a young guy on there He went for for me. Twenty seven second baseman drafted in three of the League's for twelve. Steamers but I remember Odi twelve. That's what's modest. Says it is so okay. Well he'll be outfield in. NFC Gotcha okay. Good point I saw two doesn't twelve remember owning profile and actually starting in his first game when he hit home run and that was it was so excited after that first game. I bytes I mean with the interesting thing to me. Is that suddenly last year after going. Thirty three percent. Poll percentage of two dozen seventeen and forty percents as an eighteen hundred fifty percent poll rate. I mean this is a guy who definitely tried to do more and it didn't really translate that much. It was a highest homer over five. He's ever had at fourteen percent. Twenty home runs in about five hundred eighteen plate appearances. Maybe there is something to the fireball. Rate was thirty. Seven percents icy side as well hugh selling for for that power. He was unlucky to write to Abbot. Now if you're doing great sometimes it means that you're taking outside pitches and pulling it towards I one. You should be pushing it the other way. And that's why that average will often drop when you see the Hypol- rates but that is interesting to me. twenty nine percent swing is pretty good as as well. Eight point. Three percent swing strike rate. Nine percent walk rain under fifteen percent in case there's a lot of elements here that do speak to something else happening happening and seeing a twenty home run total like well maybe maybe there is something. That was an Oko. Maybe going to PETCO. Maybe does that. You're saying A Justin pushing up that line up It's possible so I'm not gonNA rule it out. It's a fun little flyer to take note of and I'll be watching it teams early on stuff too though so We'll see maybe maybe there is some stuff that is kind of in the works here for something bigger. You know the eighteen still is there and that was an interesting season season so it really kind of depends on how you feel about which is more true of pro for the eighteen or the nineteenth Again I like some second basement. That are going in his range better. So we'll see probably a no for me though right now. I liked him coming into this year with the triple eligibility. But he's lost all that and there's there's no chance gain that back in San Diego either. Well not no chance. It would take means not that that team's got a lot of different guys complain a lot different spots. Oh I know I'm just saying on paper like R- at this moment you're right but then stuff happens and all of a sudden he's you know triple eligible by July and it's like Dang that would mean that they're season's gone awry. Don't get me wrong. They'd have to tease again. Yeah don't even say Ed Mason My. Let's move out to Miami talking about two moves that they've made they picked up some guys that were likely headed into the non tender been been Jonathan VR and hasty our fade by Baltimore and Milwaukee respectively. Miami went ahead and pick both in them up and singlehanded. You know in in one fell swoop with the two moves coming out at the same time. Greatly improved their wretched offense from last year. Now it wouldn't be hard. They can add the three of us and we would in their offense but you know these are two first off. VR locked and loaded. You know coming off of a four win season Aguilar not coming off of such a good season but still is an improvement over what they were running out there and did kind of get back on track a bit with Tampa Bay. After he was moved there. I think I might have said Milwaukee Your came from Tampa Bay via Milwaukee and Vr came from Baltimore. Nick I'll start with you on these two moves here first off. Who Do you like better are at their price for Miami? VR or at their fantasy price VR. The Art of the. Yeah that's a really good question Because VR. I mean right now I see forty one eighty p. I was kind of avoiding it trying to wait longer for I mean the mayhew at second base. I trust them a lot more and he was going forty picks later So I I don't want to go for that I don't really WanNa go for it. But if it's a cost of free and it's just someone to keep an eye on. I don't really want to chase that one either especially when he's not battling the top four spot to that lineup which currently Russell Resource Hasim below that I mean yeah remember. I'm going to give you credit for this Justin you're saying in Arizona that be careful about VR. Just because the orioles are probably not going to pay his contract and and I will say though this is lateral of a move as you could hope for shot right because he still going to lead off and the Marlins just goes sure whatever you want you have a ball slow him down one percent and forty stolen bases last year and I don't really see why he shouldn't continue to get that green light. The twenty eighty four home runs. Well we used to say maybe Miami that would bring it down but they brought in their fences. So maybe maybe and Caleb Smith I'm sure is loving this right Mason I but I. It's just what he needs won't relaxed with all that I just has added bringing a pitcher but I know VR. I mean I think everyone is treating yards if a little bit of a career year last year I mean twenty four forty with the two seventy four average and one hundred eleven runs at the same time. Yeah fifteen thirty is very nice in. That should come to be for for VR round like a two sixty average. And I don't see why that's out of the question and just needed to come cheaper because right now you mentioned going in the forties of your of have your pitcher list leagues. He went thirty one on average in the NFC leagues. I don't know that the discount that will come because I do think it will drop just the move. There's even probably shouldn't be as you mentioned. I think there will be some some panic there so the price will come down. I don't think it'll come down enough for me though. Oh and so I'm going to be out on Vr. I assume is price is going to be which is still going to be top fifty. Nick how do you feel about this. This be our situation now and are you paying that premium price. Did you mean just in there but if no one wants to say it again I mean he's thinking about Vr. And all. I think while Nick was talking I think this is probably his best possible. Landing spot like Nick said. He's going to stay on top of that lineup. Maybe the power dips a little bit. But I you're not drafting him for power anyway as you're drafting him for the you know kind of leaks changing speed aid that he can offer. There's no reason to think if they let Birdie run wild last Last year that they wouldn't let a VR. You know the sad thing is maybe this hurts. John birdies chance of every day at bats So if you were a birdie believer then then you may want to pump the brakes just a tiny bit on that though. I mean this team is bad enough up and down the lineup that he should be able to forces forces weigh in at some point. Hopefully and the guys who either art you don't have good or tend to get injured anyways so short outfielder it'll then turn. VR Is being Pennsylvania as the third baseman. But there should be some room for for Birdie out there somewhere higher in terms of Aguilar I mean he just has no price attached to him on. NFC SEE HIS ADP is five fifty six my thank goodness. So he's only being drafted in draft and holds I mean he's got power that plays anywhere I think this is a guy that if they just let him hit and don't mess around with him too much he's easily GonNa hit thirty home runs so being able to just kind of pencil and thirty home runs from your guy. You're you're drafting after pick. Five hundred is is a pretty sweet deal. I I would agree with that now. I'm I'm thinking that he makes an interesting reserve his annual or does and and I don't even think with a surge price he would be more than a reserve pick. Maybe a last round Maybe you're util pick in the twenty fifth round before you get into reserves. I but I agree with all that before we move on. We just jump back real quick shows. We didn't talk about the effect of pro far moving away from Oakland. Okay which I think is important because hoary Matteo Time Franklin Franklin I was even looking at that on Trade rumors. I was like I need to ask. Justin go rhino. Because I know you've been a long term rental Fan Baretto is going to get the first shot But he needs to hit right away and so like I. I've already drafted a Handcuffed Horry Matteo to Franklin Baretto in the draft champions funny show. The noise is going to take it from the east penciled in right now by resource of course that's just they're just going to bring in someone or the Horse in or something like that for uh-huh Brian Dosier something on a one year deal but Yeah right now. I'm grabbing my shares especially of Matteo. Because he just has such game changing speed in somewhat feel to hit that I think once he does get up to the majors and gets regular playing time he could be a fantasy superstar. Yup Yup I get behind that again. I meant to bring those guys up but Baretto Matteo has great speed. Noisy has power Baretto has been a both with right. It doesn't run a little bit. Yeah Yeah Okay. I mean he's probably I think twenty ten kind of twenty five ten type guy guy gets a little Akin to e would drift versus Burns from last year where I might pick one guy that I liked the most out of the noisy Baretto Matteo trio but whoever won I would be kind of interested in especially if they were kind of guaranteed that that that fulltime route take out names are Hamson McMahon from last year and how they could be more like that I I I mean I will say I'm Baretto one thousand nine home runs and fifteen stolen bases in under one hundred games AAA last year for the athletic so if you're talking about the speed power combination like that that's that's there I am worried about his swing strike rates even in the obviously the majors. I can't really put any stock in the nineteen percent. He had fifty eight plate appearances. But it's never been low in the minors thirteen percent in Nineteen fifteen percent in two thousand eighteen. He's always strikeout rates. Well above twenty five percent if not thirty percent senator higher so there is still that adjustment that needs to happen for bread on. You're talking about Matteo then could easily swoop in a British struggles early so I think that's really nice. Handcuffed have to have like it. Great call good job throwing it back to that Justin let's move onto Omar Narvaez quickly. We're going to get into a little funnier when we're going to make a trade trade where he's going to come up with a an interesting trae we think could happen. And then we're going to put a non tender on a new team but Narvaez inks with Milwaukee today or excuse me gets it's traded to Milwaukee and isn't a terrible bat replacement for Grondahl but couldn't be worse as far as trying to replace his defense offense like literally could not have gotten. It could assign that much worse right. I mean it's it's it's not. It's not great but Narvaez Nice Little Bat so let's focus on that because the defense unless it costs the job which he's going to have the job right now doesn't really matter to us. On the fantasy landscape he put up a to seventy eight three fifty three four sixty he last year with twenty two homers Helluva Season Justin Omar Narvaez as Milwaukee brewers. He's somebody WHO's moving up your list now not really I just kind of prefer to get my catcher either earlier or later. So unless I'm getting a guy that I think is a stud then. I'm probably just going to wait eight forever and I do worry about him causing defensive problems and losing playing time because of that so He's probably not a guy that I'm just GONNA end up with Nick. What about you or any of our as part of that late Catcher pool cool. I mean you have four guys that send people are reaching on Real Mutoko Sanchez. GRONDAHL contrarius and then after that. Maybe I'll throw Mitch Gardner and there has the five after that it's just Whoever you guys want There are I think fifteen or so that are that are draftable at the moment. It's just kind of pick your your favorite backstop. And and hopefully autographs are going to be their entire season. One catcher. If you're into catcher I think a more interested in there and If I do weight eight past that I Quintet then maybe Narvaez in Paris. Pairing him with like a Carson. Kelly where I feel I have to. You know solid guys there and maybe one of them could pop for more but Yeah Narvaez to forty two at catcher. That's the twelfth catch off the board and F. B. C.. which are to catcher leaks? That's kind of interesting but not too much else to get into two with him. So there's the moves everything's caught up. Let's make some trades guys nick. I'm going to start with you. So basically what we're doing. The exercise is to create a viable interesting. The ill you'd like to see we're trying not to go. I don't know if you guys did or not but I'm not trying to off things that we've seen rumored so. I'm not picking like John Peterson to the white sox or something. We're creating getting something that we could see here so what you've got neck and then we'll roast it so this is this is a really fun one This is actually been propose. Those little be the judge of that what it was inside of the the pitcher Luis Channel So I thought this was a really fun idea. Essentially it was sending over Nathan. You'd be Mookie Betts and David price over to the dodgers game returning back dust in May and ruis and I thought thousand one. Yeah no way on a second hold on a second because because you have David price and it's super thirty thirty million more than that. Okay I mean this is what I was saying as well. There is actually a good amount of debate about you. Know How much of an Albatross is that that you're getting But there could be something in the works there with the Red Sox and the dodgers especially considering that they're trying to get a very bets just for one year on Dan. How much it's going to pay back on? His contract of course said then either apple of one of those trades where someone tweets. It's out who says no and everybody in the room says now that well I would never take on that much money. They they mind wouldn't because they've they've tried to keep under the Kidding but okay. So I'm just you're saying as is it wouldn't work with just those two guys I mean I I think I mean green with you actually. That was my side of it as well but more of just sounds like such a fun. TRAE they're even talking about this being reminiscent of past if you have any pets trade. Try something like mookie. Betts to WHO The white sox for magical and like a you know maybe some mid tier pitchers like that. That's I think the the the MOOKIE BETTS TRADE IF YOU'RE GONNA make one I mean the red sox again back then are they. Yeah I think you would mean but I let me rephrase this as legit straight. That's happening but I thought it was a fun sugar but it's certainly something actually jump off doing something like that. I like. There's so much like we have to win now and that is so much of a half to win now deal. I could see them. Being interested in maybe not with the department price embeds for Ruis locks may maybe workout some particulars there to soften the blow financially. If they had some lingering contracts they could send back but where it's still benefiting Boston more financially but Okay okay okay. So it's interesting. I'm not sold on as is workable. Workable jump off point. They're just you mentioned. You hinted that the reds maybe making the move make a move and this is one. I haven't seen anywhere so I'm I'm thinking that it could be Maybe a surprise one trae Mancini gets traded from the Baltimore Orioles to the Cincinnati Reds for Stewart Fairchild and we'll throw in kind of a Middle Tier pitcher here in their in their minor league system so Because obviously a guy like hundred green green isn't gonNA go. Maybe like maybe like a Tony East Leeann. WHO's in on kind of ready to ago? Kind of fits. What the the orioles are doing So they get they get one decent. You know upside piece in in Fairchild That that outfield in Cincinnati is going to be kind of packed anyways and a couple of years so and then you get that guy who can go and play left field. The old when Jesse winker gets hurt exactly I mean and we don't know Keno is going to be a young guy. Obviously he would start it off brilliantly lately and then flopped I think he's GonNa be somewhere in the middle of those two ends there. That's reasonable but what if he was just the lightning being in a bottle there for for a month and he isn't a fulltime option then than they have been okay winker stays healthy miraculously and sends l. does too so they got winker sends L. Manzini or like you mentioned winker getting hurt. Manzini Sends L. Aquino Because you need more than three outfield. You can't just have your three and say oh. That's it's it in Philip Bourbon. I kind of interesting but the short side platoon got. Yeah I think I think that he got something there with with. They certainly should be open to dealing him on a high note after his great season last year he's got a few years of Of Control F. too so you can definitely definitely get something of of note there so I do like that Nick. Any thoughts on that man senior cincy deal. I mean I am not going to sit here and claim to be a massive expert on Fairchild I but I will say that I think the orioles should get a little bit more for treatments and especially considering. It's three years and I think is skills are great I mean for the most part. I don't think it's the to ninety-one average from last year and you know that career year last year is a career year at the same time. I think he is still little step up from his two thousand seventeen to eighteen numbers of twenty four home run season as well so I think there needs to be something a little bit more. I love the idea of the red string for someone just like trae. Amen Seaney them. I think that's a really really great idea. No I mean I think it's perfect because orioles array to get rid of it. They need another strong outfielder out there and Also also mentioned before the winker may get hurt too. It's been right. You know who makes a lot of sense it also need more right handers. They have three of the top four guys on lefties. He's in there too. I definitely would help them. I think they have to give something a little bit more. I don't know what that is. I I would imagine oriels big. I think we can get more to that end when I did my closer look at the reds I actually had them getting odd Garcia as a signing. So when I same vein as Trae Mancini's I like where your head's at with that Justin so my trade actually Was the player was hinted at earlier. And it would break it up finally and it would move Ryan McMahon or Garin Hamson really you can pick McMahon who Cleveland and for for some pitching prospects and to be named really as far as which ones it could be interesting Mackenzie and and maybe a couple others that are are that are lower. I don't know if it's two or three guys depending but I think Mackenzie has kind of the centerpiece. There would work. Maybe Louise Oviedo. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I have enough. Deep Knowledge of the Cleveland Indians farm system to say exactly which pitchers would be the right mix four reineck man but I think there's certainly something there and Mike Freeman is currently Pennsylvania at second base for them and and with much stock is off the market. It's pretty dry. And it's it's a lot of the saint this and let's be honest because they're Cleveland. They'll probably just end up. Going for one of those cheap guy is like a dosier or scope or or their own guy back and Kipnis but I think making a move here and actually doing something obviously Colorado was always always interested in pitching and getting one of Hamster McMahon again. I'm picking McMahon. Personally here for their second base spot would be nice. So what do you guys. Think of. Cleveland Getting McMahon. I'll start with you justin. I don't know if it would be mic man. I think you would maybe be Hamson. especially if they're talking about trading window or like they have. There have been rumors that that he could be. Available via. Trades is insane so it may may not work just because because they're looking at shipping players away as opposed to acquiring players. Well that I think as more of a retool over rebuild those getting a twenty five year old which by the way. They're both twenty-five Samson or Big Band I think what you're suggesting that since Hamson could play short you'd be better fit Oviedo. Don't be a really interesting fit in Colorado really high ground ball rate Guy in in a very interesting Pitcher if his command comes together so you can pick you up on the prospects. Yeah so he's a guy. got on a lot of kind of Deep Dynasty League teams Sanford Super Far Away. So Ah Young Young Guy for sure. Mackenzie have a little bit. Closer is both of them for one of these guys too much. No I don't think so. Okay so maybe maybe Mackenzie for somebody buddy. Who is a little bit on the cusp and veto for the long-term Mackenzie stock is dropped quite a bit? That's why I thought he would be easy to include in this deal and so Yeah couple pitching prospects out to Colorado one of the second Baseman BACK TO CLEVELAND. I hear you on the Hamson piece being maybe a better fit because then he could bounce between short and second depending on what else they were able to But either way. That's what I liked nick. When you think about this yeah I like it I I? I mean Freeman had the thirty two year old rookie. My all way that you know I felt good for him that he was finally a free man of the The minor leagues. But he's just a thirty two at the same time. Yeah he's not there everyday Second Baseman see. Have to figure that out somehow. Doesn't make a lot of sense. I I will say if the rockies do something like this last year are they gonNa do it now. I I guess that's my only question about it Raise a good one stupid. So I mean I went to I went to the the the fan grabs live if In New York City two weeks ago Eric in Kylie we're talking about how the rockies not necessarily the forefront of their organization here their prospect aspect development. So so I don't know if they're really looking to make that Kinda tree I know we're just looking focusing on that and it is a good fit with Cleveland. I think that that does make a lot of sense. It's funny I'm just trying to free guys from there because I had train hit the cutting room floor. which was John Gray To Milwaukee or San Diego was was trying to work up deals for one of those all of those dreaming but yeah I know I know so landed on the second base deal but everything I all the machinations I was working working involved getting rid of getting Colorado Extracting some of their good guys And and getting them elsewhere. Obviously the pitchers would greatly benefit. I don't think the hitters would would would flop though either. We've seen several of their quality enters. Go out and be fine. I'm not having cores to back them. Up So Yeah just get all their good players off their team. 'cause they don't know what the heck they're doing over there just free playing time for either get Garrett Hamson five hundred plate appearances dues run. Don't forget Brennan Rogers is still there. That's why they need to move on these two he. He's recovering from her for a while. I don't think it's going to be in big factor in at least in the first half of your first half but I still have Hamson on the bench right now and copy on the bench and yeah I I mean they're paying in Desmond to ride the bench so the trade like three or four guys you think so. I definitely was looking at that. But let's move on to our or non tenders quickly here because I know nick has to go and soon I will start with nick so what. We're doing picking a non tender that we like and putting them on a new team that we think would be a good fit for them so go ahead and kick us off nick so I love that Taiwan Walker was released. I may feel bad for him. He came back from Tommy John and through one inning. I remember being really excited the game. Okay great this is GonNa be cool and that's it like. Oh well that was something that was I but I but I'm excited excited about him. I think there is still a lot of upside left Taiwan Walker especially coming off of Tommy. John this is someone that was a little bit. Above between percents strikeout rating hinted at a possibility of going one to twenty five percent. We that really really nasty splitter that he had I don't know where he lands. I mean I think the Blue Jays are going to be feasting on a lot of these guys And I don't WanNA mention the others on the risk that you know Justin or everyone you guys mentioned them but the Tigers. I don't know spor. I don't know where I'm China from Should be obviously interested but like these rebuilding teams on a twenty seven year old. Who's shown this kind of disabilities yes? It's not rangers last year like they brought in Brian Land essentially brought in Shelby Miller as well they brought in and it's invoke was essentially Brian and all the high upside players for whatever we'll see what a shot it right and they were not in there so exact. I wonder what will happen here. I in the Blue Jays honestly are the biggest fit to get four of these guys. I think you're right on that all right. Justin movie got where he putting him. Oh so there's so many guys on this list that are that I just love and they have had affinities for for a long time. And so I'm GonNa Take One guy who I've who I've always loved in Jimmy Nelson and put him in his best possible landing spot which is replacing the guy who was non tendered in Houston who was Aaron Sanchez? So Okay Amy Nelson goes to Houston get some of that Houston Magic Kids stay healthy. I mean this is a guy that isn't that far removed from like a breakout season season before diving back into first base in racking his shoulder so should be the nationally shown in his Columbia. Nick continued. This is a pro D.. Eight or a pro pitcher sitting guy. He's no the one hundred percent gates book leaks I. I'm one hundred percent in favor of the same rules being played in both leagues. 'cause I I. It doesn't matter which one I just I can't I can't understand how you can have different different rules for different for for each Lee except he he might don't put the good the good rule for both then so. I think the chances of this happening like zero to nine I think Nelson probably ends up in a place like Toronto And and so But obviously Aaron Sanchez. Being non tendered opens up that fifth rotation spot in in Houston and one of these guys will likely get over there and whoever it is. That's the guy I want. Yeah I feel that I feel it makes some sense nick. Any thoughts on Nelson possibly the Houston. You know like the idea to Toronto. Just because chaser together again. That's Kinda funny to me. But essentially from you remember two thousand eighteen and we held onto Nelson Wayne from to come back and he never did and even into the nineteen. We still waited and then he came back and then I'll somewhere like oh he's he's not throwing ninety four anymore he's starting ninety two ninety three You did that way. Yeah get Outta here and injured guy. what my boy crazy. Yeah I was excited about Nelson as well and obviously it didn't work out All right so my guy I'm GONNA go ahead and put Travis Shaw on Washington by the way he'd actually be a decent decent fit for the the aforementioned Cleveland Indians but I'm putting him in Washington. They've got work to do You know still good chance that they bring back Anthony Anthony. When don't I still think they're going to get back one of their guys? And if it's run down fine you put him at third base and then Trash shock and play. I and Carter boom can play second. If not you can bring Travis Sean let him play Third Carter and I can't get somebody else in for a lot of moving parts there as it's shock can play first second or third. I think that he's a good fit for them. Plus they are a little bit ready heavy anyway so that he worked from that angle. I think everything sets up nicely. That Travis Shaw because you know twenty. Nine hundred was the last year. He was terrible. Unquestionably I am heartened by the fact that he was still great in the minors though and and he was truly excellent. A forty two games sample down there. And you put up a ten twenty three P s but then he came back to the majors again. It nothing worked in his six game at the majors. Fine lost year regroup bounce back. I think he's back to being the thirty home run hitter next year because I don't think he's just done because we have that minor for example to say. Hey he hasn't completely lost it. Put Him on the nats and I think it's a good fit just in what you think about that. Yeah I think that is a good fit for him. It's Especially if they decide that Strasbourg is the piece that they want to try to retain as opposed to rent known. I don't know that that happens. I think I think the nats go after Enron Maybe try to get some cheaper pitching pieces to fill in considering the state of their amazing rotation already But I don't think that's a bad fit. I also think shock could end up in a place like Anaheim. Yes there to them because Ed definitely deficiencies at both second and third so shaw is going to be one of those guys wherever he signs as long as. He's getting a shot at fulltime playing time. Then I'll back in on fully fully agree there. Nick what are your thoughts. Yeah I mean you make your point that The National Tab Defoe and NAL as their second base Canal J starters for twenty twenty and that's not that's not going to last we're GONNA do something. Their jaw does seem like a good fit for them. I like that play. Okay all right well. I guess that's going to go ahead and wrap it up. Guys had a great time talking with both of you Maybe we'll do it again in Inter. Yeah it's also fun and this week I should be much more available. So yeah and For those that don't know justice writing a senior thesis Knicks just working on five point. Oh and obviously pitcher list does not go dark at all during the off season so a lot of work going on there but Yeah you know I think we should do another three repack at some point soon Well firesides aren't going anywhere but I like getting together with the three of us so I appreciate both on. And we'll talk soon. Good take it. Easy

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"They say they say we should have known embed thus o._d. Down d- down into this it's time i again the venture down the rabbit hole into the world of cybersecurity. You're plugged into the podcast for security leaders and practitioners with a business sense prepare for unique interviews insights and practical advice that makes your job just as benazir and now please welcome your guides sides this adventure jeans gerardine and the white rabbit's rough good morning good afternoon good evening. Thanks for listening welcomed the security rabbit hole to the down the security rabbit hole podcast. This is rap live sitting in chicago. In person <hes> going to do a live interview with a very very interesting topic. <hes> got sambu so with me or what talk <hes> about the intersection of machines and humans in terms of identity detecting badness along those lines but i'm let it introduced himself dive right dan sam hey. This is sam brousseau the c._e._o. And founder of pre cognitive <hes> we're excited to be speaking with you there so the hot topic topic then you hotness obviously or the same old hotness insecurity is as we <hes> as we break platforms apart and try to identify what what bad looks like <hes> comes back to the identity right <hes> machine learning artificial intelligence fun little buzzwords <hes> but ultimately it comes down to figuring out how do you how do you detect when a interaction with any particular online asset is <hes> machine or or human and whether it's good or bad fraudulent or real rights you guys tackled that from a company perspective. Let's talk about kind of the problem that you're seeing being able dive into specifics yeah. That's a really good <hes> starting point so this is the third fraud prevention <hes> company. I've been part of where we started off. Initially was looking at data. That's being input by the user so who's telling you they are when they go ahead at submit mine and what's the data they're entering it and submitting to you but as i'm sure yourself and your audience are aware the number of reaches we see just continues to talking any better on the numbers so this that was once kind of like hard to get a hold of now a thirteen year old can buy some bitcoin jump on the dark lab and purchase full identities for percents right so the barrier of entry has gone down for fraud in general and the quality data that fraudsters have access to has gone up so you really have to look beyond just today that consumers providing you go deeper <hes> you know we focus on now device intelligence looking at a consumer device first and then furthermore getting into <hes> behavioral biometrics and behavioral analytics so this is how consumer or user behaves <hes> and the thing there as you can't buy hi that right. You actually have to do it. Yeah and these are the types of things we're looking to create our data that you cannot purchase but you actually have to do okay so there so there's a couple of branches then the debt that that were we can focus on <hes> you talked before we started recording. We talked a little bit about the idea of credential stuffing getting basically the stuff that scripts will do <hes> and then there's actually write fraudulent transactions and fraud. How do we separate operate these things correct <hes> a lot of that really comes down to examine. What's taking place when you're interacting with what you perceive to be a consumer <hes> so we're looking at user. Interactions are in some case by or automated interactions and application level <hes>. There's there's quite a bit. You can extract right in terms of <hes>. How did this session take place and what occurred in the session. Bots don't don't perform a lot of actions you expect her that you would see from human <hes> so you know separating human and bought <hes> we find that you can can simply look at what's taking place on the page and some folks trying to be clever with their butts and make them click and so forth but they're still <hes> you know a ah natural movement if you will to actual human that they have a hard time simulating a replicating and obviously leverage i'm learning to the help nope not to be flippant but like when i talk to folks at ronnie com platforms and bigger small the answer from a security perspective look at the security a person say estimates able we use captures all those other things like have we solved this problem and so i'm guessing the answer's no catches can be defeated. <hes> we actually do that. Hamels ourselves and we've even published recently on the web that you can take that will solve <hes> you know the the google. I'm not about click yeah yeah yeah yeah so they do you make the barrier of andrea you know a bit harder for fraudsters but you can certainly get past them so i i don't think cap john on its own is sufficient and furthermore catcher creates friction and when you're an economy or spending lots of money just to bring the reconversion you can now. You're potentially turn one away or dozens something away because the recapture <hes> what's frustrating to use her and they bounced off the page. Yeah that is that right. That's turning away people. Oh and sometimes it's people <hes> for a number of different reasons right visually impaired hearing whatever it is. It makes that tough so okay. I see i see so. Where does this guy like. What's the what's the progression here is obviously if we're trying to <hes>. Are we talking reducing global fraud numbers or what are we trying to get at ultimately what okay what our goal is you know i think even as a <unk> industry as a whole as one that prevent as much as possible without impacting consumers <hes> what we've seen happen over i'd say last five or six years as the generation one generation to <hes> fraud prevention solutions when the attacks got more sophisticated tecate. Dan have the underlying tech to deal with it so they ended up doing was like let's add more logic more constraints more rules <hes> so you know you walk into a larger retailer today. We're finding these guys are declining like five percent of the transactions in real time right <hes> these are people that wind to convert it was like i hit submit and they got rejected. You know either by <hes> some system that's sitting there or potentially they got queued up to a fraud al so there that made the wrong decision by i five percent and we know statistically frauds about one so it's like four percent of your revenue. You're just giving away. I don't want that wanna. It's too risky for us. Is there a number behind that like a dollar value yet. You know they say <hes> retailers lose more in false positives i than they actually lose to fraud so that's that's not a good and and <hes> we've seen numbers you know of these losses in the u._s. u._s. False positives in excess of one hundred billion dollars <hes> that that are being quoted. I and you know people are still losing thirty two plus billion to fry so they'd it'd be better off if they could just letting the fraud through obviously that doesn't work out become a target and the fraud gets higher but i mean look like insecurity in in sort of the other this led security you get a false positive rate. That's higher than the actual incidence rate. It becomes real difficult to keep that tag on right certainly the bits. You're convinced the leadership that we know we still need that like yeah but it's doing more literally doing more harm than good and in e commerce hammers where everybody's competing against the amazons of the world i mean you don't want to turn anything away. I i can tell you how frustrating traveling and that's what i do for a living right running my corporate card or running my amex and getting declined and then you get even though you get that tax fifteen seconds later about hey. Did you do this transaction. You go yes. I did by the time the people in line behind me. You're frustrated up. You know what forget. I'll just move on and i've left. It's interesting so while because this this is what what generation of tech are we talking first and second generation jet three jet four where we got we are now in january and powers what we're seeing emerging market and <hes> against trying to focus back on have you financial data that has been leverage because we always see new companies emergency. We are doing machine learning we're doing a._i. Those buzzwords are there other remark it out you know and then i kind of look at it. Okay so you're making the same pizza you have a super oven instead of a regular regular using the same ingredients so what's the outcome gonna be yeah slightly masturbate pizza. That's ultimately what you want to do. What better outcomes not just say alabaster. You got and we want more toppings. We need more copies so that's were that. Yes i think the two innovators in spacer bringing in additional data sets <hes> so going beyond your traditional data that's being supplied by consumer and using using <hes> we've seen some interesting companies companies that are bringing in external data sources that people haven't thought of before like going taking marketing lists and using them the bump pop against see if these people have been marketed to before okay <hes> so tragically layer or urgency that you haven't particularly thought of using one of the first things we did yeah that people thought was we are as well we put in census bureau data to our system but actually quite a bit of a location where you're potentially shipping or something something yeah yeah yeah and and your models will will pick up on that and be able to extract some very valuable insights never thought of that. That's interesting sets us data gives you location nation m._u._d. Geographic population density gives you out factor. <hes> a little bit of you do get some age you get them. Graphics graphics you get water area and some of the the census bureau that we've seen like what's the water area. You might think like what the hell is that matter and that's exactly what we thought but we shoved it in there anyways and we had you know our models back and said higher water areas have a higher risk of fraud puzzled us for but then we realized that actually correct because that's where a lot of free borders are and if you're shipping product overseas you defraud shift to a freight forwarder in right so there is there's now now it's looking. At what other data sources can we bring in whether it's publicly available data or data. That's proprietary that we're able to generate that doesn't exist awesome <unk>. That's interesting early invention. You know the way because behavior analytics is a new thing. It's been it's it's has it's been done arguably arguably not super. Well i remember so i worked on a banking platform going back to two thousand four two thousand five where there were those vetted at the company brought in the promised to be able to pull information off the phone that you're if you if you were you know trying to buy something off of off of their app. They could tell the at rate phones new around that you're a human being with right. Living are diesel divide these computers carrying their pockets generate a metric <unk> truckload of data about us. Most of us really aren't cognizant l. Which is a little scary in itself and five gonna make that worse but we're what are you. What kind of data points are you talking about. We're talking about behavioral antics. What's what's the universe of data yep so <hes> and behaviorally that we actually we break it down to categories so we ever on alexa be able biometrics so behavioral analytics. I think about when you go on transact online. Let's say you're buying a pair of jeans. Do you just go to gap by. The genes probably not right we go. We look we see if we can find a coupon. Yeah we see that plug. We're using has has a more us michael. Look at another pair of jeans. We come back. We might sign up for marketing email hoping to get that too many percents coupon so we're actually looking at those interaction okay from a behavior selects perspective and saying okay wrath and we don't know what's wrap your zero one nine out of your anonymous but this consumer look at saint pair of jeans five times in the past month and now they're overnight shipping. Oh that's actually a good consumer behavioral pattern right you. Fraudster doesn't behave in that way. They're going to just buy get shipped overnight yeah but most of us i've ever bargain shopping and you know we look at that. As is the item on sale. What's the discount amount at sarah which can say that <hes> somebody's showing consistent interest in in a product or service transacting. That's a good sign. I'm so that's a really on the behavioral excite behavioral biometrics as a whole nother field and it's really quite interesting to the amount of data we get out <hes> mobile devices ranging from data on your accelerometer how hard you press on on the screen. <hes> and some of the stuff you think is like me and one of the the r._n._d. Guys you're joking around like anything valuable and we start just doing ourselves in the room and mike apparently slammed the phone with my finger every time i touch it and you know he's the lightly tapping on it. So you know you start to combine all these points how quickly our user types how you know they hold the vice what angle and you start to get a good consistent patterns for people because i i know i know gate was one of those things that they were looking at like when you put your both people carry their phones in their pockets soon. You're gonna see the abuser yeah. That's that's that person because somebody somebody walks all the differently and one thing you know i've seen some claims that people say we can uniquely identify an individual from this data. We cannot uniquely identify individual say that we're looking at a massive population of one hundred million yeah. You're going to have people that light but what we can do is say this device belongs to this account and this kind of fuzzy signature of this user. It's like a low resolution image if you will where like a one megapixel camera. It looks pretty darn right yeah and we've seen this device before and whatever other factors we have in there okay. It's very likely that right <hes> and and it's certainly not something that's one hundred percent accurate in terms of <hes> the behavioral we have a biometric data but it can give you that additional confidence through the with other factors say okay. This is who we think something we that's okay because i don't want to necessarily identify myself itself or you. Don't want to start pointing out people you don't right you want identified their their their persona not the individual exactly and this is another challenge john security right <hes> people generally associate security with <hes> you know being able to identify somebody as one hundred percent unique but you have obviously all the privacy obviously regularly and consumers worried about this to see how valentinus right we want to be able to positively identified as much as possible without being one hundred percent or sat and being too sticky to where you can't this so you've got to also kind of clay both sides here in terms of being respectful of privacy and consumer choice but still still protecting the consumer as well as the business enterprise behind it so there's a lot of that that's actually pretty interesting because as you start to aggregate lots of these different data points this is this readily available number you know when i was at the hoppers that a company we pulled that from like cookies right. We'd set that by various various pieces of code the applications browser. How do you get that off of the is that something you said the a._p._i. To give you we do use the native api is is there a storage mechanisms devices while where we will look to write something that is a unique identifier device but still does not identify individual okay <hes> so we do a lot of binding of of unique data points that are still anonymous but <hes> you know that's i think where the market's heading what you have to be able to yeah and that's that's always interesting because that that gives you the to the is it well so i'm sorry that limits that's us too to mobile devices your cell phones right. What about your ear. Your tablets your laptops or other types of devices your keep out browser kiosk. Ask god help us if you're using those right at the at the hotel. I'm staying yet. There is a business center where there's a bunch of computers lined up. People check their email from yeah. There are different <hes> bits of data. We get from those devices you know from our perspective <hes> a web browsers is actually easier to deal with <hes> but you have kind of sometimes a lesser persistence there <hes> however you know the a._p._i.'s for browsers if you have take a look at them or starting to resemble mobile global more so <hes> you know stuff that you can only do previously and say a native i._o._s. App some of that's now bleeding into just a standardized ended is a._p. Is so as as the browser market. I would say kind of catches up to functionality. I was available native applications and <hes> some of this also becomes easier chrome driving with other browsers. Ask google driving crow would be the crumps fifty plus percent percent of the browser market now so for us it. It's a big place of our d. and google does a great job at security as well and consumer privacy <hes> within chrome so crazy statement right it is and you know i think they know they have the balance it. They they permit certain things that <hes> you know. Folks take advantage but there are things that probably go too far. I think they're respectful enough <hes> given their their market position to to block those types of active so we're trying to solve that human versus bought fraud versus real problem it. There's gotta be what these are desert in line rain decisions on allow the buyer not right. These are like these have it at sub second. You're talking massive. Data pools is do you build a profile ahead of time and know before i'm gonna go click on by that at that option. I should not be buying that or is this like an app at decision time before he charged a car to get human human like we play like the roulette wheel. There is allegation. That's consistently happening so as you're navigate through websites are interacting with application. There's a profile being built. Some those files never get access because you never convert or do it of what we call significant like log in <hes> or wire transfer whatever or maybe <hes> but there is a building of profiles that happens <hes> and they get access at the point where the decision is it <hes> but so you just mentioned wire transfers. This isn't just like going in the checking out at some econ platform. You're talking about other applications. Here's well yeah we primarily said and and three use cases right from our perspective but those use cases are our across multiple industries so we are looking for things like account openings like when somebody is establishing facebook account for example as i really a person or is it going to be a damning account opening but that could also be account opening of a credit card right bank <hes> so looking for broad there. We're looking at a point of transaction. The transaction could be an ecommerce purchase could be a wire transfer. Her could be movement from card to card if you're sort of value cards <hes> and then the the other area where we see a lot of interests especially these days given dan you know things like the state farm breach at that recently happened is around log in credentials stuffing. So what is it about our human attempting to log in and second of aw what is this logging consistent with how you previously are using the same device or same type of device. Are you saying gio fence <hes>. Are you typing the same way. Are you holding device in the manner that we've seen you hold of them before and really bringing all that together and saying okay we are confident. It's this user and and if not you get one of those nice messages in your house <hes> inbox that says please enter code yeah yeah yeah so where's the most obviously besides com where's the most relevant applications of what we're seeing this problem solving right now <hes> e-commerce and financial services banking or um tom fintech startup so they're taking information from you. That could eventually be censored. Make sure it's secure it so that that seems to be the pattern right. You've got the that sort of two places where financial transactions happened either at the management money. Hold my money or take my money. It's always senator around the cash right. So what comes where the where the limitations like what are you. Can't you solve like what are you pushing. The boundaries on you know we've focused on very much on those. Those kinds of three use cases from where we do find some challenges. As how do you determine if it's a good user on the i interaction with them. I've i've never seen the log in before. We always assume on the first go round. That's actually your account so there's there's some of those challenges in terms of <hes> you know when you're you're starting to build these profiles understanding user making sure you have the right user. We're generally dependent in that case in our partner who were working for two to trust the dave secure enough to the point where we're i interacting with. It's really you as opposed to to komo already being down the rabbit hole fraud yeah yeah and that's that's an interesting place to put it because that that kind of the technology <hes> seems to be like set it up around identity right and it's <hes> i i would love to see that being adapted towards other less will call significant applications <hes> like a <hes> think of it this way. I might like a google authenticate her right. Wouldn't it be the greatest for for apps that need to verify their you rather than every developer trying to develop their own version of what you're doing. If there was a human human authenticated app that would that could tell you that you could ask a question like is this really sam and it would go ninety eight percent. No this is not santa. This is sam's mom or girlfriend or somebody else that we don't know trying to get into this app or this phone or whatever rakers that that's i think that's an interesting application sort of pushing pushing the frontier that it is and we are aware of a couple companies that are trying to do that currently so <hes> as opposed to doing this as you know in the cloud. There's a couple of startups doing this on the device itself even aloe potentially somebody like samsung apple could license their technology technology. That's interesting and maybe emit some sort of signal to where the interaction's happening with spat or not good <hes> so there are are some folks looking at it from that perspective <hes> it certainly i think an interesting space especially the the mobile device now almost becoming the identity right. Everything is so heavily really focused and somebody asked me. Would you lose your wallet. Your phone. I didn't have to think about is like take my wallet. My wallet is my phone there a lot the people that they're doing that now backing and i you know i would certainly rather lose the wallet in the phone as well. I have a lot more on the phone <hes> <hes> but he's the vice has become more prevalent even see <hes> yeah grandparent's typo age like wow they have to now so oh you know there's a lot more reliance also on the mobile device becoming that sort of thing that you have when you're looking at <hes> you know multifactors yeah rob something something something you are yeah so with the different i guess because the iphone on the apple ecosystem. It's not so bad but on the android because we've all seen the metrics it's horribly fractured right ancient versions of android all the way to bleeding edge. How how do you think that people buy stuff off of. All of that right is there. How do you essentially step down or step opera. Try to try to kind of build the best model you can using whatever the heck you're living out currently is that a is that a develop a separate model for each of these different operating systems are capabilities within his outbreaks isn't how does that work. We do have models for different operating systems android. It's quite interesting donnelley's fragmented at at a less level with some of the virgin's. It's fragmented at a hardware level. Yeah anybody can produce <hes> an android device and there are literally literally up <hes> different models and some of them have really bad security at hardware level where you can you know <hes> make the the fingerprint biometric say a pass when it actually didn't <hes> <hes> so you know we use a lot of unsupervised learning to really look at <hes> where we've had anomalies data ada where <hes> they just don't look right and sometimes it is catching these devices <hes> they're not behaving matters that we kind of expect them to right but this is one of the challenges. I think we'll continue to see right. You're gonna have all types of devices operating systems that you have to deal with and and for us. It's really boiling it down to like whether data points are actually critical here because we can get hundreds of data points off of a device but you know foundationally. There's there's there's a dozen or two that really matter <hes> and the the nice thing. Is you know there's something analogous on each s right okay android or <hes> <hes> of its i o s we can find something. That's similar. <hes> you know. Access patterns etc might be different <hes> but you can get to kind kind of a common ground with the two that's interesting. <hes> i think that makes that makes it more interesting because trying to support these vastly different models <hes> it's got to be on your on your on your development on yard <unk> so you mentioned vice learning and i know so. That's what people people generally throw these buzzwords beginning n._f._l. Blah blah blah okay unsupervised learning type of machine learning so give me give me a little back without disclosing anything obviously so you'd be a little background on listeners. You know what types. How do you guys leverage machine learning and are we. Are we actually talking scott. What's your artificial tailgates perspective on this yet. There's obviously a lot of misconception around a as well right people think the machines are making decisions by themselves in and thinking for themselves and we're not that far obviously not just by the way i'd like to be obsolete. Thank you agree. We do use <hes> you know both supervised and unsupervised learning here and i think in the field of general <hes> they both have applications for them where they they excel right from you know a._i. Perspective i think a lot of people kind of think of a._i. Is what we might call like. Reinforcement learning worthy machine gene can learn off of its errors better itself and that's kind of this <hes> dooms they think people think of as the machines are teaching themselves but <hes> you know there within a set of rules and parameters that were setting right. We're kind of setting a chessboard and saying here's how you play it <hes> and training the models to get better and better where we use artificial intelligence if you know i usually say machine learning but i know is kind of the buzzword but <hes> machine she learning is primarily and looking at data where we have existing labels <hes> and then trading supervise models there but in certain types of scenarios for example <hes> like device intelligence data. We see higher device interacts. We also see things like t._c._p. I._p. packets each of the p. data browser data device vice stay though so we don't necessarily have examples of what's good and bad but we have so much data. We know what looks normal what doesn't and that's unsupervised. Learning comes in because we can feed it. You know these terabytes of data. We have and say okay finest stop. That doesn't look like the rest and a lot of times. They're they're out of your box. You're you're you're really weird. Android devices dollars like really weird users or really weird users or a lot of times and where we get excited when it picks up on doc which is like we can see the t._c._p. I._p. Packets belong to olympic server but it's like hey i'm an iphone and these papa manley's and it was like no you're not are forging urging that the user agent an iphone but this is a lennox pock sitting in a data center somewhere trying to transact or log in right now and these are the kind of big red flags that people people are coming to us to help them identify. Stop so that's interesting. That kind of sold the applications for what you know what you're doing from our perspective i mean combating in global e commerce fraud is in financial crime is huge but i i wonder if we we've on on this show talked about <hes> several times <hes> it might be worth revisiting again about the fact that you know how big is the food global fraud number. The answer is is exactly where it needs to be right. If a couple of spend any more they'll be spending too much to spend any last. They'll be spending too little so sort of balances out in this in this. This is what they're willing to accept odds less. That's the cost of reducing it is less than the actual like the the loss right so if you're <unk> nobody wants to spend one hundred dollars to save a buck exactly right so is is the applications of the technology that you guys are developing broadly so that it can be used at e. Common and these different marquette applicable bowl thing or is it specific to the application so they are you know the way we do about the platform is a series of products that are kind of plug and play okay <hes> <hes> at the core of it. There's a decision on jazz machine learning capabilities <hes> you can write rules. If you wanna kinda go a little bit old school. They'll do them as gatekeepers for you know policy elsie things like that <hes> and there's other products you can bolt on so there's a device tell just component. There is being able biometrics. There's about detection module. <hes> there is a deep web crawling module so it's really our idea kind of where we see. The space going general. Is you have a lot of point solutions out there for fraud brought even cybersex and you're like okay. I have a problem. I'm gonna go to x. company because they do pat stuff yeah but then you've now something stop credit card testing right you gotta go get another product so our goals into really set something. I hate to use a._w._s. As an example almost like an a._w._s. Fraud here's a stack the fraud technologies. What's your problem here. We can put you know this is the goal. Ultimately people always come in just to the buying the whole thing because they're like all right. We we need everything you kind of. Do you know you have to have to wear the the entire suite blow. That was <hes> you know our conception how we vision the market evolving over over the next five six years and we started building from so everybody's talking about elections actions as as we start to take some of these things online yes <hes> i am on a has this idea of moving capital technology allergy broadly. You guys are developing taking that into the world of tomorrow. We're actually going to get away from people standing in line paper ballot voting and maybe going in and actually having online interactions for elections and other important things that are not just elections but other kind of governmental or you're governing types of things. Is that tech of that. Do you feel like it's close enough to where you'd be. You can be comfortable using it today or is there. Some ardy not loved. No i think we have technologies in ways of doing you know even doing you the individual device and making sure those those identifiers over putting her grip dad can't be tampered. Whether you know shared yeah <hes> so we have that technology. I think the bigger challenges you. It was something like an election at this point. Is everybody have access to. That's the mold of mobile device sir yeah but there are countries believe isn't estonia where they do their own online right. Everything is is digital digital cars. Yeah i'm sorry i think we'll see this especially. <hes> you know the u._s. Is a always kind of forefront of this stuff so if it's <hes> something something that starts to also support from of doing it wrong not gonna rush to that klay yeah yeah i i would think with my in your lifetime we would probably see this happen to are elections are being done <hes> maybe by using your fingerprint on your iphone or some other mobile device them making your selection that would that certainly would be interesting. What about sort of you know last kind of question from r._n._d. Perspective where what kind of data sets or data points points that you can't get to today or or maybe a where's this kind of leading you from a research perspective. What else are you looking at. What's the frontier of uh on the research side of it. Yeah our focuses is very heavy and be on alexa behavioral biometrics and we think we're making progress but the data sets we got <hes> there are probably icebergs and the more we kind of dig into them. The more stuff we find i think <hes> you know behavior on the lakes huron <unk> biometrics spin around now for a while but i still feel from our perspective we are at the tip of the iceberg <hes> we can tell you find the new stopper or new ways to use it <hes> that we hadn't even thought of or that we stumble across by accident so there's there's a lot of information there and <hes> you know for the amount of data that we're able to collect acting us currently i would say it's probably ten fifteen percent of the day that we're actually collecting able to store so oh. There's still a lot more to be done here in terms of other things that can be done with the state of we're doing something now. It's really interesting insurance side where you can go on and put a claim online right for your car insurance. Are you crash a car. We're doing something now which is deception detection at added still in early stages but we're looking at you know when you go through and you say like you had an accident. You're filling out the score. What's the damage and you put them three program. You get to the end of the formula. Let's say six and you go back up. We're looking at that that change. What's what's the increase in how long after the initial entry take place <hes> we can start measure if there's potentially some sort of user deception here so this is something that and assurance company a large approached us with and said can you do this and we said i think so. Let's try and they're like all right. Let's try and it's working right. We can see these nuances in the data that percents caesar might be lying to us humans certapro. Ultimately humans are fairly predictable as what i've heard by folks that do study behaviors of people right we we predictable from from the time we get up in the morning to go to the way we sleep. All the way through like we have patterns. We generally wants were savvy. Don't deviate. Is that feel true. I do you know i know i'm. I'm a creature of habit. I walked the same route to work every day. I you know have a very <hes>. I would say regular schedule in terms of when i'm working on undoing it and at that start at the end is all the time but i think we are certainly creatures of habit and you know that we've got these mobile devices in our pocket into they're sending off little signals <hes> on how we walk how we hold our where we are geographically how quickly we're moving. <hes> you know we we see this in <hes> are logging <hes> protection component though we we offers we can see like people log into their bank account count the same time every day from the same location. <hes> you know they do on certain days of the week a few look at this stuff a lot of fall into little buckets. You know that are us. I think i think it'd be kind of scared. Look at your might be interesting at some point to offer people the ability to look at their own life profile. This is you in a billion data points over two two years. Wow what we we have done. Internally we all know who any of our our our clients consumers are because we is that data only the the national stationery commerce retailer totally are <hes> but in our own offices here we do that often. That's me it wasn't paris last week and that's right so so interesting so i guess last night because we talked about career paths and what's interesting in how do you break into somebody's because this is this is really cybersecurity says this is one of those supporting pieces of of that of that of our market <hes> that is exceptionally important right now al because with the you know we can't we can't do this. We can't secure things without the kind of data that you have ultimately the the intelligence and engine behind it. What kinds of people are you. Are you employing winger use it. Behavioral scientists data scientists all the above primarily data scientists. You know we we do talk to people who are in behavioral science at we use them more from consulted perspective just alle. We maybe have an assumption. We want somebody. That's more uh i would say versus the space to give feedback on but primarily you know what we're doing is building data structures that i'm giving it to the data scientists scientists and letting them run various algorithms that analyses against them and see what pops out what they find out. How much data did you work with on regular basis like. Let's let's size. Is this thing <hes> i mean we are from like a device intelligence perspective. I know we've got like ten twenty terabytes of the day that you know uh there's hundreds and hundreds of millions of devices in their from a behavioral perspective. It's even worse because <hes> we collect much able to think of like google. Analytics is usually collecting so i think event per page view were collecting event per second so somebody's on e. com site. We're seeing you every second. If you have five hundred thousand users on a popular recital man <hes> you know there's a lot of that we don't keep all of it forever. The bear will they age out after ninety days. We say that makes you know now time has passed and we have our good so we don't need the raw data anymore <hes> but you know our infrastructure costs for substantial and they they continue to the cloud. They continue to grow as we had were it products. Each one of them generates more data every time. We have a new client so it's got some of those like a compounding effect to all right. We'll santa's did fund <hes> really a really interesting space. Folks help you enjoy. There's a lot of stuff that crosses over into the fields that we <hes> everyday work at livid <hes> not only the way you interact iraq with <hes> your you know your phone how you buy stuff in your financial transactions but just this kind of technology this problem an eh approach <hes> in our industry really interesting so thanks for joining me appreciate it. Thank you very much for having me and i hope everybody enjoys yeah look at a startup. Thanks for listening you guys. This has been another dallas accuser apple podcast. We will catch you another time. Another place see you later joe is we've they'd out on another down the security rabbit hole episode we'd like to encourage you chat with our host gifts using twitter hashtag pound not please check out the show notes on any episode. You may have missed and subscribes. Don't miss a few our website. Insight is white rabbit dot net w eight one two three r a v._d._i. 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198: Simon Capon on Mental Training, Body Language and Staying in the Present for Better Athletic (and Human) Performance | Sponsored by SimpliFaster

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198: Simon Capon on Mental Training, Body Language and Staying in the Present for Better Athletic (and Human) Performance | Sponsored by SimpliFaster

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What's happening everybody good to have you guys here so our show today is another. We don't have that many of these and I'm trying to fix that trend but it's a show on sports psychology the mind and belief systems. And if you've been in sport for long enough it's like every year I know every year. I've been a coach every year. I understand more and more and more the importance of the mind the importance of belief the importance of our energy that we carry with us. And how all these things have. A massive impact on our training and our competition and our lives in general and our guest for the show. Today is Simon Capon. Simon is a hypnotherapist a master LP or neuro linguistic programming practitioner. As was the author of the book. It's time to start winning. Simon has been working with professional athletes as a sports psychologist since two thousand six using a variety of techniques including skills from NLP as hypnotherapy. Simon has coached out leads to the highest level who have achieved titles on the national international and world levels. His philosophy is simple which is to create self belief and that your behaviors and actions will change. And so will your results. This is the epitome of why I love these conversations really. It's almost in a D percents. This is almost This is a huge part of what we do as coaches whether your strength coach sport coach. Or if you're just an athlete listen to this This is a huge core of being an athlete and training and this whole process becoming the best version of ourselves. Athletically and as human beings in general and with mental trading particularly. It's we talk about a lot. Something we pay so much credence to but I think that the time we actually fundamentally spend a day learning more about our belief systems and training the mind. We need to spend more time on it. I'm happy to bring these shows excited to bring you guys this one. So topics today is going to get into his process of assessing mental skills. And needs. He's GonNa talk about the link between our body. Our posture and how changing our physiology can change our mental and emotional response. He's an expanded that methods of using one's body language posture and some different some different ways than ideas there that we can really get into that emotional response. Simon is going to talk about how to thoughts from prior negative Situations and and experiences. And how we can unware that and get onto the right positive track mentally and he's also GonNa talk about how we can fully engage ourselves in the present moment all the way through. I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. And I really enjoyed touching on all these topics and picking up on Simon's expertise on all them. So let's get onto it episode one ninety. Sivan so what got you into. Nlp or neuro linguistic programming and supports psychology and this whole field of human performance and behavior. I great when I was sixteen years of age and I was able to leave school. I was there was. There's a government sponsored thing. It was cool. The Youth Training Scheme and the training scheme was for anyone of school leaving age so they can kind of hands on experience. Any trade or create. They won't sit so much friends relating to become a bricklayer's will barely over canucks or is actually the first person in the UK accepted on the whites as Snooka black and so the club to sponsor may allow me to play in the club. Pretty much whenever I won't say it so seven just about every morning. I'll be in club just practicing marguerite saying I was literally the happiest person you could ever imagine a few hours later something would happen. Which would change everything which was literally just sneaker glove when she's nothing strong rebound now whenever I was observed whenever I had an opponent it was almost as if my whole personality changed because I had these huge fair excited. I think actually I had a great failed. Other people's expectations were expected for me as a player. I never told anyone about this. I really didn't think that understand. The only person I told was. My coach hung mailer and he. He's a great coach but he sent me down one day and said you know what's happening and I said it was just a precious. The pressure is fear of failure of the pressure. The sale of other people's expectations as Clara and he said to me I said this is I look at it. He said when you just practicing on your own or when they as an audience or when you're playing somebody in competition he's physically. You're the same person and accused the same and the bulbs the same and the tables the same and I said that's right and he says in which case you've craze today you can do now. There's nothing I can do. I need just looks away. And he left me some very frustrated angry but most of all very very confused thoughts and I thought well he's right but why am I supposed to do now and I thought I? I'll just keep because maybe on that but as the weeks months and years went by just aggressively got worse and then it got to a point where I was playing in the first round qualifier of the UK championships and of enjoyment against an Australian ladder. Never seen him play never even heard of him the day before. Our match is ahead conversation between two other planets. I'm wanted to be on. Have you seen your straightening? You said why he's bothered setting up no ide as worse than useless and I've heard this and instantly my favorite Fadia Shaw free. The race myself other people's expectations. I just thought wow people expanding set absolutely completely destroyed this guy and I'm not sure if that's going to happen and I just hit panic. Winning the match terrified I lost the match. Fly there when I will have that. I just label myself. If somebody courage somebody would bottle a cutaway on another plate competitive snickering again and it wasn't so fifteen years later when I was in my kitchen and the TV was on on the percents Mentioned L. pay and I know I just inquisitive also wasn't LP SO NC. The computer taps into the search box. And you said you're linguistic programming. But as I was reading more and more kind of getting those lightbulb by basements when you read something you think this is really told me and I remember thinking so clearly God. I needed this last twenty years and then I I signed up for practitioner calls a completed my home study went to London for training. I'm an imposter mud exam. Collecting significant study and I was attending seminars and trainings and became a master practitioner. Pay To become a traina included hitting ninety six. I also grow in a collection of psychological skills headaches. Which brought together a system that I create sage and as a result of this system which e athletes both able bodied and disabled. We'll be professional. Footballers gophers tennis players arrived for you kate. Tennis and I was included in a BBC documentary leading up to the Rio Olympics. But that's where I sit and that's another long winded into that but that's kind of my background really and that's where I am right now. I resonate a lot with your story especially with Expectations Element as reading your book. I was thinking about and I'm a person who has spent years at and In my basketball and high school is my big thing and I spent so much time training my body to jump higher and be faster and stronger and be physically able to play the game. But I didn't even start. The mental stuff didn't even start registering till I was in my thirties. I wasn't even playing competitively anymore and and honestly if I could go back in time and I could have picked one thing to really truly work on that would have. Actually that would have made the biggest difference in making me better looking at how I played. It would have been the mental training because I was physically fine and above what I needed to but I kinda like yourself on a level like I. I would only do well truly well if there were very little expectations like if our team was losing and it didn't matter almost than every shot would go in or I hit a game. Winning shot one time when the the coaches had drawn up a play and it completely fell apart and they threw it to me on the sideline with one second left and I just checked it up and it went in because there was no expectation but as soon as there's an expectation I completely agree and so. That's been saying sorting on my own in my own life. You know So I was going to say it's funny because I would totally butchered snooker. Abc Americans Snooker but that game has kind of like pool or billiards or something like that. He's like Cole Hamels twelve by Sake. So he's a big table and he's very popular in China. It's absolutely huge and Europe is quite big as well. But he's strange. Actually because I thought you guys would have really taken on. The Pool is is a big game in the states and and I told the players and I know how series tycoon. I don't know how highly skilled and they'll be grave. You know another guy called Barry. Hearn Very Boston promotes that so yeah I'm sure the People United States who is he was very heavily involved in saying I'm just GonNa wait for the game and sort of promotes it because I think it would probably take off. Maybe he was going to say call. It would've happened by now but suburban. That's your your situation. Is the thing that I definitely lacks is when I look back. I didn't even have the skills ready to reach anywhere near the top of the game. But I think that if I had especially mincy. Pag those days I certain at least foam fulfillment tree potential. Which is why would I think everyone needs to do with by but really understanding the psychology really understanding how they can can create. That's a mental gain than least allows him to fulfill that potential. Which I think is what everyone in the the first steps that I might. I had this kind of linear question list. But maybe I'll skip around to In basically what you said is when an athlete has those moments of failure and a game. What's what's the first step in sorting out where that's coming from. So what? What does that process in terms of? Okay you win this pressure situation hits you you kinda crumble. What's what's the process of getting into that. Yeah so I mean the thing is is that I think I think most people Thinking of saying when when they are down training they're going to be in this state but actually when they saw in competition than saint completely different and compensation some of the other day and I think the reality is what we need to do is to create a state of mind which is exactly the same way we doing so whether you're training or whether you're in a competitive status. She makes no difference. The reality is that you are creating habits. You'll crane goes massive responses. Said whatever you doing. Then he's just the same response time off the time. So for instance when you sign about twenty started. Could you just repeat that question again? Sorry Oh yeah sure. The prosperity wants someone is failing in sport. They had they've had a poor experience. What what what's the first? What's that process of stove of going through that? How does that start actually so things? Well I always say is a win. We've we've had poor result and sometimes they can still win a corey salt and they'd come away from just generally performance when they needed say a mall. I always say to people is the I know it's I am not like an NL PIZZA. But there's there's any feedback last night. So seven pulled to what I learned. Today is first of all whenever there's been a performance piece of paper and the first thing we do. Is We roy? Down all the ways they can make the next performance better because then there's reasons behind that and number one is. I wouldn't say that. Focus away from a bad memory. I don't WanNa play the onto something which allows them to move forward. So so what we say is I never say. How can you make the next performance? That's because I implies maybe just one solution I always say. Write down as many as you can because I implies a multiple and they're always So what we do is we write down all the ways to make the performance better next time and then we say well. Let's say for instance that they come up with eight ten or twelve ways which is absolutely fantastic. By the way say will hold on what we're going to do. We need said implement sue or maximum three. I time because we don't WanNa do is throw the new ide as in confused things make it worse still so we always look performance whether it's been a poor performance and always look at ways that we can make the next performance better understanding. That would don't ask you what went wrong. I think that's most people. Do they talk about what went wrong? It kind of cheapens the problem and then memories of how it fell on what it was like starts again stored in your mind and not be quite quite interesting won't come out straightaway understand that we're looking forward is infants. Might days actually get out so that that's the that's the price is for me personally. Anyway I like the idea of. Could you say one more time? Nlp term failure and feedback. What was that again? Yes no Sania only feedback. I see I'm which would be so so true because you know is that we look of failure and that word in itself kind of brings up some really negative feelings but the reality is is that you you don't file you know you look a result and if it's not the result you want you've lost store. It's it hasn't turned out the way you won't say then you go to that and say that's the bad that I've got now I need to do is take it back a few steps. You see what Wayne wrong look at the mechanics. Maybe the mindset whatever it might make some moves rations and buying off again so as you know. Clint mechanical really so much. Now that in in that sense could it as a as a mechanical united? So we can say it's outputs briefings Akane change things around get back out. That tried Sison works. And it's this constant process so we're always growing always looking to the next step would. Would you say that when athletes have issue? I love that I love the idea of of making it all. It's all good like the idea that it is all good because in the in. I know I'm sure sports in the UK are like this holiday. I mean there's so much pressure here in the United States on athletes and I'm sure it's like that everywhere but it's there were always. We're always trying to find a way. I think to how I want to say this like I guess you could say like to be loved through our successes and how I think that there's so much emotion that comes up that we often repress that comes around failing or not doing well enough and would you say that the athletes when we I guess you could say choking or or not not reaching. Our highest potential inconsistency a lot of issues where we don't we don't do as well as could are almost all those really linked to our like inner emotions you could say like of our fears and things like that that role that really comes from. I believe say I mean the thing is we have to file in order to between so I say failures is must end. It must be accepted as feedback which was already discovered. I'll give you give you. An example is there was a guy that was working with. He was a sprinter and he was so devoted to spoil. It was incredible and not just a psychological pop the physical laws well and he says to me is respect understand. We said about failure by can allow it to happen. Just con- how he was a guy who was winning raciest for some but I explained to him. As an as you move onto the international circuit you will you will be facing. There is no question you will. And he said what comes out when it went on as an unexplained against us so what I did was I say so. I'm you meant to the gym anew. He went full time so weak sentiment. How often do you go? And he said well. How do you know four times a week and it stayed on my Ryan thinking that the ghost increase the way and the number of reps but pushing yourself to limits? Us building a bulk. And he's doing weight training. He's yeah absolutely of course want to gain weight and so I WANNA make more reps. You said it. That's that's what I did was say by an. How'd you you know you have pushed yourself to the absolute limit and his answer was when? I can't do anymore. Is the way to go forward as the one you're saying. Is You have to fail. Enabled seeing since we actually go forward to taking that and then to to to go away and he lives in any small and he when she like. Hustle. 'cause we is it doesn't matter who you are you there will always be someone he's GonNa come along who's going to take the top spot so even you know the same boat know there wasn't time that you know he was indestructible bananas. Time went on the other guys co-op with him and he has to understand that you know that was an inevitable experience and I know that. He's he's retired now but we do look fighting a very very different way is absolutely light so so you know we can't avoid it but we load the learnings a very franky from White. I'm sure we look at your in Kuala question because on with that sprinter as well I remember I was reading that story in your book and I. I was trying to actually make sense of their I. I was trying to think about a little bit more deeply about when you said you smiled. When he mentioned that he had to fail was that is that is that. Because you talk about maybe readjusting our thoughts on what failing is so. Was that something that he needed to readjust. Then I mean what? Can you tell me a little bit more about that? So you said basically the way. He was the way we got him with that was when he did fail and inevitably it was going to happen. I just felt that it was going to be a real hate. And it was like he was GonNa Hayes thing. He did have a big. As many of the sprints and that's fine but when? I knew there would be a time. When he failed a new there would be something when somebody would be him. You know I was concerned that that was not and I wanted to make sure that we put things in place so that when the happens understood what it was about. Roth's insane is as as a big step back. Would you know? Maybe I'm not as good as I thought it was already. Those are the things that we we tend to think so. It was almost would've preparing him. If you like for the inevitable percent of the understood Fania is a big Paul. Moving forward it was. It was probably united something which we which we have to go through it's inevitable but I was just kind of preparing for it to ruin. He's smile. Dot Mai Mai is always what are they when the pennies drops. I kind of understand where you actually coming from them. Perfect yeah I definitely understand that more and so let's get into some of these methods and training means of helping ourselves up just US feedback better and first question I had. This is something that I've I've had a little experience with in the past so I really resonated with it in your book. Was the link between our our. Our body are posturing and and how we carry ourselves. And what actually ends up happening in our outputs and maybe even a question. That would play proceed that I should ask. Before but in the book you mentioned our state and how that impacts everything so could you define state and then talk about how that impacts our energy and our performance. Yeah absolutely. I'd say probably the slighty different ways as I explained what I mean by the link between sort of the physiology in the minds of beginning and it goes back to story so I kind of liked to explain things with stories. 'cause I think we kind of learn much better so just before I started seeing an occasional I went to a seminar in Scotland's and we had This guy says our guest this morning. He's traveled from. So you know. Just just be randomly close when he comes in and this guy came in and he came through one door any probably walks no more ten meters across the front anyway. Another only date was he wo Fru. He plays hand up and he said Good Morning. That was his only words on the lady next to me said. Now there's a confident man and I said yes. But how'd you know she said I know but I'm sure and she's absolutely right now a few years later it's actually five years later. I was invited soon. Event to do a short talk and the guy who was a guest speaker and Scott was actually doing a keen. And when we'd finished I went up to him and I said so a dentist. Remember me probably not a toll forcing scored in five years previously. It was absolutely fantastic. He said I remember that event so well and I said why was that and he said. I was having the most horrendous date. When you're at the state he said well first of all I didn't. He landed that morning. And I sadly the airline had lost my luggage booked into the hotel and they double coverage so I had no luggage and no interstate so the last thing I wanted to do really was to talk to you guys. I'd say well that's strange. Because you look so confident and he said straightaway but of course. I'm always confident and I said so. How'd you do this? I said he's only my physiology older. He said so before I came out. He said one thing that I always do. Is I promise whenever I work with anybody. You get owes me or you get none of me. You never get ninety. Five percent is own nothing and I kind of love and I thought well. I'm definitely adopting that. That's fantastic And he said and then my confidence comes purely from physiology before and come out. I will stand so proud. Showed us back head held high? I will come if we step by. Tyke is one of everything who gesture is one of says. A when I talked to you I would saw its And I thought lack is fantastic. Said this guy what he was saying was that he says in his physiology rated certain Tina's mindset which was just at a time absolutely revolutionary me to me but it's something I dog and everyone. It's the first thing that we so we always adopt the physiology because allows us to change us in mind in a happy instantly as the easiest and fastest way of doing it giving back seat. Bantu States is. You've read the book you'll know this but I have sunny cool to offer success and his loss of variations of this. But if you could imagine that there's a clock face and at the top of the clock Wade says twelve. Just imagine the woods states and then when the three seventy three o'clock that will be the would nj at six o'clock we are actions at nine o'clock we'll have results an error running all the way around them so again. Come up with a story to explain this so first of all. Most people come to see me because they want a different result and of course they do. That's what everybody wants. But when we focus purely results then what we have to do at some point is to contemplate failure not failure imports of because if you united in this case the failure can seem that is something. We want to stay away from natural facts. We are free programs to avoid failure and again. I'm sure we'll talk about later. So Sahgal two states. We have so states then we have the energy and then we have actions and then we have results now probably about twenty five years ago. So wow now I was asked if I would like to play in five aside. Football match. Football to us is different to you guys. So you could talk site indoor soccer match and I have a belief that I am the worst footballer soccer player on the planet I mean I just I often beyond belief but this guy very is even states me. Come on. It'll be fun. It'll be so. I decided I'd go ahead and play. But when he told me who we were playing and when he told me who our team was I knew in instant is going to be anything but because these guys are highly competitive so I went in there with a stay of anxiety and apprehension. And I really wants to do which meant that I have seen. Sue's very very little energy it so I'm sure you will fail this when you feel so overwhelmed. You feel so anxious you can actually feel the energy draining out of your body. And that's exactly what happened. Because I had little or no energy I was my actions. Were absolutely dreadful. Because I bad actions that gave me a predictably porisio with reinforced my stay. This was something to be ready required. And she said now if you look at that in a different way by nine year old son road who has unlimited enthusiasm but just about anything and everything so we my wife and I said to him last year. Would you like to run in the local junior cross country championships now Rohan? He's no runner. He's not a runner until but as I say he has unlimited enthusiasm for just about anything and everything. So yeah be absolutely fantastic. Conway goes to the venue and he literally jumped down. He's full of excitement just way so he has a stay of excitement and joy and funny. He's ready to engage which meant the heat's housing sue huge amounts of positive energy which meant that he's actions were as good as they could possibly bay which meant that. He had a much better results than it was. When we anticipated which meant the his reinforces state which is something to be really really excited about so busy so I have four things to think about my stay in my energy my actions results but the reality is if you can Pi- attentional put your focus onto your states and your actions. So in other words the book given people and then the actions are what they learn from their country and stuff it means of the energy and more important the results which is take care of themselves and I think essentially lies so important because it just allows you to for the emphasis and all of your focus on your your states and your actions rather than thinking of how to resolve I make yes certainly does and it makes me think as well it. It's one of those things that I think. It's not just athletics. But it's anything in life and it's something that I've studied as well in terms of just general life in general Even like business and I've read this from people. Talking about entrepreneurship is to one of the biggest gauges as gauging and looking your enthusiasm. And what fuels you and. That's that's a key cornerstone because if you just if you just think about the work and they could be the same thing it really display if you just think about the training and and you're not thinking about your own emotional state and your your enthusiasm and everything that that reads that then you're running on a half tank a little bit. You're a little bit limited yet. Complete complete is you know it's like me. Plan might by five aside match Rod. The Way I've seen kind of international standards I think is something that we all need to learn. Adults seems just live performance. Podcast brought to you by simply faster. The and as you're talking to I think it really simple anecdote that I think it was from Daniel Daniel Condoms book thinking fast and slow but it could be wrong but it was just talking about how just the act of smiling it whether you're happier if you just smile at your terrible just smiled. The biochemical reactions in your body will start to go off to indicate that you are in fact happier and and so. I was thinking about that. When you're talking about just just standing up tall and straight and confident and and funny i. I've done a trading methods where just in bodyweight positions where that is an important element of the exercise. Is this I think a lot of people would look at the exercise and think okay. You're supposed to be tall employer shoulders back a little bit and push your chest forward and dig out that just from a purely pasta perspective. But I think about it from a. This is a state trading. This is this is. This is to train your state first and foremost that and and I think about doing those exercises for people. Listening to this show is an isometric lunch. It'd be the ones people are very familiar with. But I think about myself as like superman like what would superman is doing this exercise. What would he his posture be like? And everything changes and it's almost like that's that's kind of like the core of the trading package to me is that starts here and so anyways as you were you're talking and so in terms of Like taking that over into athletic story. Like if someone's playing Super Golfer or anything I I was going to say too. I feel like darts would be a huge huge part for this. Play that as much as you guys do. Nearly but What's what's your so. What are some things that athletes just walking onto the playing field like like what are some ideas and thoughts and for people to keep with them as their noting their enthusiasm or using their body language to create a different responses? They're getting ready to play. Perform yeah I mean the smile so I think that he needs more than you're actually derives more than just the postures more than the one that just standing so proud shoulders back and head out. Hi It's more than that so it was kind of like the way that we use voice is the tone of voice us as well and also You know that you sign is that just just small. I just noticed just just when you smile how you have your state will change is to get people to say what I want you to do. Is I want you to Cardiff Sit Down your head down. And slummy showed an societies sell. Things like God feel amazing so you try and that's when you in that position it is so difficult because you won't want to stretch out so by using those words by thinking about the woods that you use in the sentences using the hungry you use all of those things so I would with some with a foia quite recently actually and you know he plays at a very high level video of him coming out onto the pitch and he was at one point by fingernails and unessential while we really go somewhere. That's the first thing we need to do is kind of changed the way that you walk out onto that pitch. So what we did was he comes out. Lucky owns the place. We thinks about what he sees as the best player on the planet which was Christiane renowned. And he said how's it? How would he come out? Think about how that guy would come out. And he said he'd come out like young absolutely say demonstrates me is like an eye member actually going. There was a tennis coach and this guy by years and years and years and he was just getting people to enjoy tennis at level which they've never experienced before so they wasn't trained to be able to become the next Federa- he was just looking at people who wanted to enjoy the game more and then so they came in and just came to the net. Then he'd senses of these. Who's you fight reply? So maybe they'd say the Dow I want you to imagine it thousands of that. Just wash imply that kind of that is the worst of bust away. His the bull was the way he moves round the cool and the guy was going to go and now when you walk into his body Dow and he goes I just do it just did and it was just unbelievable. Transformation autosound can never used to him the spots bouncing up and down like he never enjoyed before stole. Now Matt's interesting because like you said you say just exactly the same concepts. Executive side is absolutely fabulous. And it just helps you become that unstoppable force united. I always say to people that when when you think about kind of your posture about being a better athlete about that kind of body language all of then just look at you. Just think about when you have a really good physiology when you have that big smile when you send things you self notice your energy levels and I was like to put things on a sky. Oh saw one to ten ten being. Yeah absolutely unstoppable. Ten your sleep. That's a few could. I'm for nine or ten everyday fantastic. But he'd lead. He said she said I will not let myself going below. And I never let Myself Code Levin. I just imagine how much more productive you be in your trading session aged just off the scale and I remember that guy was a gopher the same thing he says to me so he wasn't physiology a lock and he came to see me later and said it worked for a while but then he's died off as it doesn't die off we missing something. We're definitely missing. Something US insomnia. We told me what his life so he was out there and he stood in a wittman. And he's and this is there's no hand packages back by other hand and his chest movies back full within his chest backwards. Put his hand underneath these Jane and pushing up not better. I said right now I think about thought think about what is it GonNa do? Think about you all the greatest player that ever lived. You'll the man everyone's complete faced by you all can walk on that green like you are. The greatest plan has ever existed meaning and then hold on just a few seconds. It was a complete and he thought going. I've got to get back out there and it was. It was incredible but I think there's energy levels you physiology and just having sky was some kind of measures do I think is very very important than if you just said I never land must have below a night so I started to fill the failing insurance audible first thing to do. Is You know the needs to create some Robin says the emotion craze emotion with. He's he's absolutely right quickest in the fastest way. Anyone can do it. I really. I love that stuff I. It makes me think to a lot of times in the sports performance. Coaching sector. We we do athlete log center like how how excited a youtube trained today. One through ten and various questions like that but very little. I think for every time we that question. I don't know very very rare. If ever do we say well. What are some ways to raise that now before we even get started with the session? Just look at it as an after the fact okay you know maybe you know life was euro distress or trainings been tougher XYZ. But I I think to the athletes of mine who have regularly and across the years achieved the greatest results and those are the ones who consistently are coming in like you said above innate like they are and regardless of my training program whether it was I I feel like it was good or bad for them or whatever like I do think the training program is important but unless that was there the results are just like that is just goes hand in hand with results and showing up with enthusiasm. I think you're right. You know even before the session begins kind of like. Just just get everybody in that same state. So you know that. You're you're kinda starting as you mean to go on. I think when you do that as as a group. That's very powerful. I've heard it actually said and I I. I don't think I have enough experience across different groups to say yes. I've been in all these situations than I know this but I've heard it said amongst if you look at track and field heard people make the comment that when it comes to sprinting as opposed to maybe the other event groups and I don't not sure. But but sprinting in particular. They talk about that. Culture is is even more of a factor there in in making fast sprinters than the other disciplines. And maybe it's just because sprinting is a little more innate compared to learning how to throw a shot put there's more technique to it or distance running more will and dedication can you. You can improve your euro at more than your top end speed. And I don't know I I think that that's a really a little interesting unique element I was GONNA say too. I WanNa miss the store because I'm going to forget it but just as you were talking I was thinking about this and I go back to my own because I was. I had so many gaps as the Nafta especially basketball and I think that's why gravitated towards the individual sport is track and field because it was as far as I was concerned. It was more during my control but the best practice the best basketball practice I ever had was when my coach said this is my senior year on. I remember it very clearly. He's like today in practice. You are going to be. This is exactly what you were saying. Simon is as our colleague. Our Number One player in our conference was a guy named Terrance Robinson and he went to Wayland. University was the school and he was kind of. I would say maybe my rival a little bit on some level like I guarded him when we play but he our coach said today. Joel in practice. You're going to be Terri- Robinson like a and you're gonNA act like him and you're going to end and I remember because I think he wanted her defense to try to adapt to this player and I think the coach knew that inside of me. I could be like that player because as I said I had. I put in the work I had done the physical work and that was the best practice I've ever had. I didn't Miss I literally. I don't think I missed shot. I was having so much fun because I knew I couldn't miss and it was it was. It was the most amazing practice experience I had ever had and it was funny because I don't think I really truly connected the dots. I did a little bit at the time but I connect the more after the fact and there was powerful and I just. It was like as soon as I'm given permission to be this player. Everything changes you absolutely right. It is and it's something we can only do so he doesn't matter what sport you play doesn't matter one that will you play? You can always do that. And it's something that I mentioned in the book just couldn't get into that mindset. Understanding must feel like to be purse. He's is a great place to pay any something. That doesn't Jira you. Anyone can do it. Yeah I think of my goes to my head to over here in the United States is just looking at like Lebron James. Walking out to play any game. It's like the amount of swagger confidence it's like an it's an eleven. Isn't that fantastic? So so talking about the emotional brain a little bit because I know a lot of For my understanding of NLP a lot of it's just like helping us get in touch with our emotional brain. Which for so many people I think is it's it's you can't just say I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA fix this. Necessarily there's other ways to get to it. And and so how do we get in touch with our emotional brain and and get a handle on that a little bit more in training? I don't know we just talked about one. Which is the posture in the state? And be coming that take characteristics in terms of other ways of getting into the emotional brain. Could you expand a little bit on that yet? Complete is a great question. Actually because we will know we will have a brain and there's a part of our brain which things purely with with emotion since cooled Olympic system. But we got its head coach. She's not too many things really really simple. Anyone can get emotional part of the brain and includes a craze emotion. Now they could be the positive ones lighter the excitement and the happiness and the joy but also they can bring the negative ones as well which is the frustration and anxiety the apprehension an order by six. Who First we have to understand that this Paul Ryan is emotional pies very very primitive. And he's actually designed still to live in a very primitive world. It hasn't really anywhere near as fast as other parts of outright. So it's prime directive the point of being is to keep you safe and to keep you alive so he's IMPA firefly response some everybody knows what firefly responses but secondly it's our is designed to avoid failure. Some people say you know I don't want to fail if there's a failure role not do something and the reason I ease these because as we said Paul your brain is very primitive. And He's thinking primitive world if we go out hunting and we consistently failed to land the successful than course than we saw. Now we know that's not the case anymore. Remember is still thinks that very primitive way so it sees failure as something which is potentially dangerous now in third prime directive. Isn't it needs to be called? Group likes to be poverty. Green Bay feels that there's safety in numbers are not be bothered group. It has to be a valid members. Agree it just feels away. We're a group is more like a shared experience and we've all experienced this before when we remain a group of people maybe four or five us and then we tell a joke and no one laughs everyone stands instead is like one of the G. Just say and you just have that moment in time anything God. I just wish time just to tell me back three minutes while I could just scrap that whole thing. The reason you feel gives allergies which the grand obsolete and. That's exactly how you feel because what's happening is you're emotional brainy saying something like we need a group of people we need these people to keep us safe and all of a sudden they start to think really what are we going around with this guy you know he needs to be out of the critic and then you start to get flustered and it stays with you and your key remembering it and then maybe you never again. So has this way of really society keep is safe. Think he puts a life now. We can't get rid of it and we come to the huge amount with book. What we can do is the weaken Shane. Something because most people to the model that we accept information through one or more five senses so we see something hit something touch smell taste something and then I information guys to the emotional brain which will produce an emotion. That's in line with information that is we saved but of course that cannot be correct. Because how is it? The three people could experience the same thing. Yeah have three different emotions. So for instance a an example like a road so plus one of the road Lies so exciting and the second person said buys terrifying and the third person said is that it just the road. I mean really is really quite boy so three people have the same experience. You have three different emotions behind days. Clearly we see we have a missing component which I co programs. This is my model so we sips information from one more than five senses which is collected by programs now programs are our beliefs decisions acetates experiences and our language so we all have these programs but the data loaded into them is vastly different for each and every one of us because they said he's loaded aground lifetime. This information is then fed to the emotional brain which produces and emotion which is lined with. The information is received from the programs so now fortunately we can relate the dates in all of the programs over time so that we can have more control over our emotions our behaviors and of course result. So we kinda get rid of de much with imagine Brian but we can feed information to it very very differently so of course then. We get response so in terms of if getting that different emotion feeding information differently. Could you give a few examples? I mean is this very sense specific like you mentioned the different we intake through different senses and I would imagine in terms of athletics. That's mostly mostly sight and hearing and maybe touched or mega. Maybe there's like the smell of the certain smell of the court of the pitch or how does that fit with the census? These I'll give you an example of how we could sort of relate the programs differently so let's come over example. I'm so just around. The corner from us There was a skateboard park. That just stopped. I just looking around. I didn't even know it. Up and listen to conversations and one Guy Bayes between his forte was explained to his friends. The this was really really bad idea on because he felt that now crime rate was going to go up. There's going to be unsociable behavior. That's GONNA be drinking drug taking said when you get young kids congregate using. This is nothing but a problem and then around the other side and there was a guy probably around the same age which was sent she's looking. Isn't this incredible because walk? People doing here. Is the young kids working together working as a team? They're off the Straits. You know that the learning valuable skills. This is absolutely amazing succeed. What's happened is their beliefs about that. Situation was drastically different. So so for instance the first guy has probably journeys life experience behavioral young kids. Which is they are making. They know they are. They can be you know an anti social that can take drugs that can take trig of goose absolutely and he has decided to say information loading to a belief that is the way young people operate but clearly the other guy had things differently and saying in case of that age from a completely different perspective undecided. Well actually. We'll they've done. Here is the days they go together. They have crazy on team. They've seen when she's going help. Each other put skills in place so they basically loaded their belief programs very very differently. Let me give you an example. A possible situation with the guy that I work with Co Greg and and the Basic Greg was working with coach. He had he would be signed for the same because he had a huge respect for this country he decided these coaches probably the best in Europe and had a number of bad results. Things hadn't gone particularly well. And then what happened was as the Greg's coach. Gregg thinks the world of off to one match up to Greg and basically said to him you know what is the performance have been really bad. I think you're chief's badge. You haven't been before please anymore. This thank you. Chris finished and he's walked away and I'm greg was absolutely astonished by this and he went home now. What he did was something we tend to do and we need to be aware of. This is that he went through that conversation over and over and over again he highlighted the base. Which was which was. You'RE GONNA make trophy playing badly in. Randy's situation this this movie in his mind ugly overnight rain over again and what's happening is is only key running moving minds down starting to load the belief program in a very different way was just just a few days early because you know he was he was being sold and he was telling me south how good he was talented. This this was a belief with all of a sudden because he's got some some bad feedback light and was pretty unfair as well because he himself. He's now leg. The belief pregnant of very very diff from white basketball call or it happened. He was saying the coal. It's kind of smell. Those smells and he would hit the sound of the echoing around the around the coal soon as he walked in that place and what happens that information was going through the programs so looking at believe program that please program saying something you know what. I did in Thailand said GonNa make which then said he's emotional bright which was saying ozone second we want to avoid. Fadia and we gotTA MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY. We want to be a group and this is not going to happen so the emotional brain within to create an emotion which was sort of anxiety and does anything to do again to say. I'm out on. I just can't handle this. Because if he leaves basket both he then returns to a safe place where he won't be judged anyone fail. I made this. Yes it just that I was just. There's lots of thoughts going through my head about just sports youth sports in general and like just how important it is for what the parents and the coach especially the parents but also the coaches are saying to these young athletes as they come up because the burnout rates and the pressure is so high and it just it really actually hurts me a little bit like I. This is something that affects me on the inside. I think about all these athletes who you these things are getting piled on over the years right and and to the point where that joy is replaced with something else for like you said the wanting to fit into the to be loved to fit into part of the group and I think we can do so much better for all our athletes. And it's it's it's a heavy thing I mean that's that's definitely Ri- go obviously. It's shown up in the people who do stick through it on some level to our that happens at some point and I'm like man. How many little things? I've jump pack if I was going to be a pro basketball player. Dot Com PAC. Lot So yeah with so the player like that so say yeah like you said like the coaches told you. Some things in the player is dwelling on them. What what is the first thing to start to get them to to unwind that or what's the big principle to say? Hey you need to rewire reconfigure. Realign this this thought. What are some some methods that tell to reprogram? Yeah absolutely so with Gregg the first thing I said we should do as I explained to. Him is thought the country's intention no what he said. You know the way. The Great Insert today but his intention was get. Greg Somehow is best again. That's what he's trying to do because that's what he wants he doesn't want to leave. Of course he doesn't. He knows these talented but in his way in his own. Sort of water. Reality he thought Tokens a great life. Back Somehow Greg's win Kay Starr and he sort of get full back again because that wasn't going to happen. So explains what we need to do is first of all. We need to separate the intention from what it was the intention to say that he wants you to get your phone back so then I said so. What would he needed to site for you to get your form? What needs to happen. And he said if he'd come up to me and said something like as say we win as we lose say we ought unit people that work together and then if he'd said something on the ways off and you inside inside player now close doesn't go in a few days that you are close PLA moby needs to do now is to work out how we can get that phone back. But you know we'll we will together and that's what we do if he'd said to me that would have been fantastic. Said Okay so now what we did was. We created a movie and online at the coach coming upswing and saying exactly and then it was difficult to be to begin with because he stood the whole memories. Mind but that's what we need to do is just kind of route just going on. It's like how you know recording to go over and over and over and hilly takes over from the old one was thinking about what the country say rain look. He was making this his mind. Sort of big bright and colorful the sounds loud a making reu experience until he got to a point where it just didn't seem to bother me more actually started to enjoy basketball and we could see we break so we didn't have that low but we pushed and pushed him push and gritty. Fez was was was very very eager to make this happen. So that's what we did. I mean it was still site will hold on a second. But let's say that an absolutely right. He did but it was his intention. Desperately needs remember so when people come over criticism from countries inevitably anything trying to get the best out of the plan but of course they always say in a way that works. They say in a way that works them but it might not work for the player so sometimes it will be a background. Understanding what motivates people is is a good start with. Yeah I that's a great point. Is this that the intention of the coach? I think Coaches are so often well intentioned the majority if you know the vast majority but it's just there's always that little hang up in how the coach sees it and how it. I think it happens. I mean there's relations to being a parent of young kids. I'm starting to see that immensely. There's this there's you have to understand the mind of the young person that you are working with versus your own intentions and there's always that gap and we're always going to mess it up. I think I mean we hope we hope not but we're GONNA and so it's it only has to be a way to come in and run rewiring realign that I think that's that's powerful I. It makes me to do to the what I've The like I've listened like awaken the giant by Tony Robbins and I think in that he talks about the ways to repair or these things that are negative and and I think his situation. It's making cartoons of anything but I think that's different if it's a coach at some that you really respect are working closely with. I think that's different than like a boss. That's giving you problems like Tony would talk about or whatever but so so I did WANNA get into a you mentioned this. I I love what you said about you get all you got nothing and I think it's hard these days to live in the moment and beat up fully in the present and could you chat a little bit about how I think we've covered shades of it certainly throughout this show so far but could you give a few thoughts on how athletes can really fully engage themselves in the present absolutely and and it's so so important to do that so first of all is the anxiety as is very much based on things that happened in the past or things have gone wrong in the past or perceived problem in the future. So the win win. In the moment it just means that we can focus on the job in hand. You say if you are thinking about twenty five percent of US thinking about pasta then or maybe thirty percent thinking about something. We may go wrong in a short period of time then in just means that you cannot be committed. What you're doing in that exact movements so you know when I go for seventy to try and get people in into that moment. It's all very well saying. Don't ask don't let the now. It doesn't really were certain to what I say is when I thought I'll give an example again of go and I will say that it was a gopher was a young lads and he was very very talented and things will go in that welfare him to lose his temper quickly so the first the first two holes for crucial if they went wrong that was around was done. And so what we did was essentially Go is no about eighteen holes. It's not even an SMS. He clashed Scholz about playing one shot multiple times. So what I want you to do is to win us. He off on the first. You're saying off like it's the only shot you play that fit your show you're gonNA play wherever Borland's where you will same thing applies. It's the only shot you're gonNA play day and I see this with gophers. Within tennis players certainly would snooty current Pool Plaza dog players as well any individual sports. But something else that we say which is when we slide. Sports soccer and with sports is a little bit different. Because obviously it's difficult because it's so fast moving. It's difficult to say. This is the video die. This is the United Evening Journal. Die Because Agency quickly so what we do so get him in that moment together. Focus on what it is. They're actually doing and not thinking about past or future events is if they're going to pass the ball I say to them. I want you to think about waking poss. That bore absolutely on the bump so imagine there was a coin on the page. And that's what I was going to land. So if there's a gopher I was saying don't think about an area think about exactly what you wanted to so many people all bunk. There is a late day or the trees ahead. What do they do? They hit the trays into bunk. Because that's where they've been focusing on you one annoy you. Don't want to the soccer place you plan and policy when you plan to pass absolutely on the barn when you are in for go. Think about specific satellite. You won't that boat to land when you can run. Think about exactly what you want to go with. Think about that precision. So use an incentive voice and signing get my face. That's where I'm going to be so you OB. You're channeling all of your energy into that moment that moment in Time Voronin allowing the focus to be trysted off I think it Apostol of I really. I really liked that. Example of this is like the only shot you get all day. I have. Yeah I've heard of track and field coaches do that for relays where I think a typical like we're the baton is exchanged between the two sprinters. And I think the typical practices. Oh just keep practising until you get it right maybe four or ten of exchanges. But I've heard of one one coach said they got the best results. I believe that they ever had when it was like. You only get two or something like that and that's it and mess it up then you will come back next week and you do it again. But it's just these two and I think there's a plus too. I think that just shows the value just doing less like less. But the then when you're doing less there's so much more on that so actually vessel mind from us and that is really good for so just get catching and century near you put in in in that moment in time. Yeah it's it's so powerful way is really good things to think about the show today. Simon I I feel like I could talk to you on this for hours but man. It's I think this stuff is is powerful and it's relevant and it's stuff that the mind is so often talked about but I think it's so under appreciated underutilized. It's been really good stuff that you've that material that you've shared with us. I really appreciate all this in your time and I know it's going to get me some things to think about throughout the weeks and months ahead so I guess you always been learning share one more thing. Oh of course yeah. We spoke about being in the moment and focus and a lot of people. Say You know what. How do I exercise that focus muscle because we say psychological muscle that needs to be worked and and there's lots of ways enduring but something law success with with people particularly when they didn't environment which is quite hostile with law noise going on? It's been a focus on what you do when you go. You know fifty sixty thousand people showing their opinion that you can be quite challenging so when I get people to is I give them a book. I don't give him a hedge funds and then we play some music which is kind of up being quite catchy. Ching normally get their attention so to begin. We Win Sunday down really quite quite low. So there's only so it's very quiet. Give them a book on the challenges to read the book. Comprehend what you read and still have the music plane. That's quite difficult but once they do that within started out concern. How often time they'd go. These very catchy amazing having the headphones still be focus more reading and comprehending and honestly a stretches cause muscle like nothing else. It's a wonderful and I just wanted to share that with you. Yeah that's all I'll keep that in. Mind it it reminds me of people when basketball players shooting free throws. And there's a million. Pete now million but like hundreds or even thousand people behind in front of beyond the hoop yelling and screaming and shooting. And then I've had my basketball coach. I think at one point had the. I've heard of people doing that to the rest of the team's going to get behind the basket and try to drown out. The book is in the headphones. Like really turning that up and wave of fatigue. Focus very powerful. I definitely say try it. Definitely try the. I think there's a lot of tools I think anyone listening to. This can come away from it. I know I certainly did so. Thank you for your time. I appreciate today. Thank you so much really appreciate us. that finishes another episode. I enjoyed doing these so much. And what an awesome topic. I can't imagine that you didn't find something that you can use immediately in your own coaching athletics or life in general and no. I sure did so. We'll be back next week with another great guests. If you enjoy the show you could really help us out by leaving a rating review on Itunes stitcher. Whatever you're listening to and finally don't forget to visit our sponsor simply faster dot com supplies of high training technology. We have we appreciate them as a longtime sponsor of the show all right. We'll see you guys next week.

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Ep. 9: RECAP Brewers vs. Cubs April 5-7, 2019

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Ep. 9: RECAP Brewers vs. Cubs April 5-7, 2019

"Woah to. Welcome to the new best rivalry in baseball. All right. Good afternoon. Baseball fans. Cubs fans. Brewers fans. Welcome back. It is the ninety miles podcast. This is your short episode. This is the series wrap up episode series one cubs. Versus brewers at Miller park took place this past weekend. It is Sunday afternoon. We are recording live. I guess can you record live Ryan, I guess he can I were recording right now, that's true. And we're alive. So we're we're live recording. We're not in the same room. We are alive and recording. So we're probably a lot more alive than either teams starting or bullpen pitching stabs are right now that was a brutal beat up. But what we're here to do. Today is just talk a little smack kinda give you the the wrap up on the bruise and cubs series. How do you wanna start out there? Ryan do want to you know, bow down to the might the brewers. Would you like to open that way? Because it seems appropriate. Well, the brewers took two out of the three. Neither looked great really even neither club. Yeah. And you know, I just got say, it doesn't really matter. 'cause last year, you know, all the cubs started off against the brewers. What eight one. Start using last few who who won the division? Well, the better team won the division last year. Right doesn't right matchmaking of that? Okay. Sure. Sure, the whole podcast is focused on the ninety miles rivalry. But this series that matter I'm with you. That makes sense what I wanted to say to the cubs started out eight and one against the brewers last year. But the brewers have started out eight and two against everybody. That is nice. That's a nice when we talked when we talked last week we re release every Wednesday. The brewers were still playing Cincinnati Reds live on TV and the cubs had yet to play two more games against the Braves the cubs. What happened coming into this series before we get to deep into the brewers and cubs? We will do wanna rep basically on that. But I just thought I'd bring that part up to how were the cubs rolling when they came into Miller park. Not not too good. A lot of bullpen issues, which has been some major adjustments there. Carl Edwards junior's been sent down to triple A. In fact, you guys got a little bit of him. Friday. We did he. Yeah. Milwaukee actually helped lower his era believe it or not. Yeah. Got outs gave up one run. But yeah that brought his ear aid down down. Yeah. Actually, thirty two point four it ended up at after that. Yeah. Well, you know, I feel I it's a, you know. Okay. So Carter's junior. I mean, he's at three different pitching coaches three different years this ozzy's, and he was working at a on a toe tap thing. Which at the end of spring training. He was informed that it's an e-. It was an illegal Pitt illegal way to pitch the, you know, the hesitation, I, you know, and it was like, okay. Well, you know, and it wasn't they try to brush off his on big deal. But clearly, I think it was a big deal. I think all offseason in all spring training. He was pitching one way. And basically right when the season studies told you can't pitch like that. It's legal to pitch that that would be difficult. Yeah. That would be very difficult to say that junior. Yeah. Yeah. Had the biggest thing. So now, he's got to go down to down a triple A and and figure things out. So yeah, that's. That's okay. Air but explains some of the bullpen stuff as I said two neither team pitched very well. This the first two games of the series were football scores. It was fourteen to eight in game. Two in favor of the cubs. Thirteen to ten in game. One in favor of the brewers. Game is bears. Yeah. Exactly. There's a couple of Twitter Twitter feeds basically talking like it was Packers bears time. And yeah, that would have that would have felt a lot closer thirteen to ten feels close on a football game. I don't feel like thirteen to ten game felt close on Friday night. The brewers ran out on cantata who has been a brewer killer came into the game with a one point six one area a across the board whether it be Wrigley or the or or Miller park he left and if I'm not mistaken his era at this point against Milwaukee went from a low one point six one up to two point five one. That's an increase of point nine. The guy's got a lot of innings. He's. Got over seventy five innings against the Bruce for a big jump like that we had talked before that it would take a lot because that was also bringing in one of your predictions, and we'll wrap that up in a little bit. But Catanha gave up eight earned runs against Milwaukee to open. A Brandon Woodruff was his counterpart on the hill. He looked good for three innings, and then kind of blew up. He's one of the young studs that the bruiser bringing out overall though pitching in the series was borderline atrocious for both clubs. I think there's a couple of highlights that are okay for Milwaukee all talk about. But I want you to go ahead. And maybe you want to jump in and kind of describe what you saw not just Caroline rich. Jimmy, we've covered that. Maybe what else did you see from your starting staff because that was really supposed to be the strength of this of this club coming in as far as the pitching side goes. Well, I mean can Tana. I mean, he I don't know what happened there. I, you know, his previous outing which this is first start. But he did pitch. For innings in relief of Darvish, and he was excellent looked great. So I I'm not really sure what happened. It could be that. He ran into the best batting order in the national. The Burs are phenomenal. You know, they hit the ball hard. You know? I think that's what happened. I think he just got better. Kyle headaches today. I, you know, I'm not entirely sure they're either. He he just something was off their no those two games have in common. I think it's the brewers lineup that they have in common. Okay. But Cole ham. Did just fine yesterday. Did he know? Yes. Actually, he settled down sixteen runs. He no pitched fine and Gaza be one of the highlights really for the the cubs. This series would be the two earned run performance six innings. So basically three point oh for the game. That would be one of the higher highlights for the cubs. I was you know. You know, it would have been three runs over nine. Yeah. That's no. That's a that's a quality start. That is a good start. Especially the way this game. These games I should say had been going now even that game. Even the game that the cubs won there. They won fourteen to eight Cole hamels pitched gave up to. And then the bullpen comes in and gave up six runs. Exactly. Yeah. No hamels was decent. I all the other runs combined later in the game for kind of washed it away in my memory hamels. Had a good start. Absolutely. I would say Zach Davies on the other side for the brewers was the surprising. Good start. The young guys had a couple of good innings and then struggled Davies went five and two third today gave up two earned runs. And really if you look at that inning. It could have been a six innings zero run game for him just kind of broke funny with the themes error that you saw today and then in the sixth inning, and then the by as swinging bunt that basically made it halfway to third base and died that were those were the first two. To get on. And then Davies struggled a little bit gave up the contraire home run. But I thought Davies obviously pitched pretty well from a walkie. And then the best pitcher arguably in my opinion in the National League. Josh hater pitched very well to close the game out outside of that. There weren't a lot of great pitching performances. There were a couple of okay ones. I thought you know, would riven burns starters were. Okay. Burns going to get better. He's got an elite spin rate. He just needs to learn to control it. The good news for Milwaukee. Is you know, Freddie, Peralta had a fantastic start against Cincinnati. So it's not all lost. But they got they got this not kicked out of the series. Both pitching staffs. Well, yeah. You know? And there is there is a fair amount of errors as well. Yeah. You know? Had that one day you already mentioned. And then yesterday, Bruce add a couple airs. Yeah. They're up to four on the season. For an airs if I'm not mistaken. We're the cub grand all for the angular carrot teeny had catcher interference yesterday and it consecutive days against editor. Well, contrary us then had it on Friday. Oh, okay. And they had in the game prior to that. And Atlanta they had a catcher interferences three games in a row with catcher interference which I was seeing that was the first time since nineteen twenty. That that a team had catcher's interference three straight games. Any? Which is a weird is supposed to be two of the best teams in the National League. What are they doing? Yeah. It's just that's that's just on a level of weird that I I'm not really, quite sure. No. And both both in the brewers games. It was against Hastings Aguilar. And I kinda see how a catcher would get caught. With. Hey sues. If you're reaching for that pitch. He's got a late. Quick wrists. Swing and big bat. And he's a big, dude. So his bad is coming through zone late and fast. I can see how it would happen there. But to have it happened three games in a row. Two different catchers in the Bruce series. Yeah. That's bizarre. That's bizarro type of stuff. I mean is that a coaching thing? Or is that just just weird random beautiful baseball? I don't know. Yeah. It's on you know. The records got another one go for it. Yeah. Oh, I know just the let's see. Oh, well, then the cubs also on. Friday. They had will Hayward had that weird fielding air. Which that's that's rare. That's odd. Right. I do does Joan just need to bring back. Holy cow. Can't talk does. Joe madden. Need to bring back the beer in the fast food. Oh, do they need to Aaron Rodgers and our ES L A X? What is going on in Chicago? Ryan. I I don't know. I think it's just it's separate individual weird things. It's kind of you know, if it weren't for the fact that they won the World Series in two thousand sixteen there'd be a lot of talk about a goat curse going on right now. Or some kind of a curse. I mean. It's it's there's not a lot of rhyme or reason the only thing that that there is definitely is is the bullpen. But the Air's it's just especially like Hayward, and you know, Rizzo had those couple errors in one play. You know? I mean, you're talking about to go Glover's there. I mean, that's just not not absolutely absolutely. And we're getting we're getting twelve and a half minutes into here. We'd like to keep these a little shorter. This is our first time doing it. We hope you're enjoying it in my opinion. It's pretty clear the better team won two to three games. Really? I think that's really where we're at thirteen runs which is what Milwaukee scored in game. One is the most by the brewers. Versus the cubs and Miller park. So if you didn't know that cubs fans, there's another one that you can throw on the board kind of a fun one for brewers fan. It's kind of a fun one. Anyway, Davies we should have. We should have expected Zach Davies to be a little better. He's got a two and two record and a two point four seven area against the cubs in his last seven. So he's been he's been very solid against the cubs. The cantata thing that was weird. The other thing about game one. I just wanted to cover some cool historical things the Bruce had five different players Homer in that game. I believe they've had five home runs and previous games. But I don't believe they've ever had five different players hit home runs in a single game. And the funny thing was when you look at it. Okay. Ryan Braun he had two games in a row where you went deep. He's he's expected, but Aron Perez. Yes, money grand. All our CEA who according to most cubs fans isn't the bat and then air Fame's, these aren't even guys that the brewers are relying on to hit home runs. So one of two things happened. The brewers have a super. Deep lineup or your pitching staff is awful, which de preferred to take. Well, the the pitching in wasn't that good on Friday. So. I'm just trying to find a way to jab at you come on, man. The brewers bats are whatever. But you know. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. Oh. By the way. I is what they are. I think the cubs scoring fourteen runs that you know. And I get it. I would say I'm pretty sure I I saw that. That's the most the cubs have scored in Miller park ever. I'm sure you gotta one up us by a rundown. Thanks a lot. So so there there there it is. Yeah. In my face, right? And what was cool about the game? Yesterday. Was that the number seven and number eight spots in the batting order Hayward and care teeny. They ended up five plate appearances each total a ten plate appearances in God on base every time. Para walks each and then three hits each and for Hayward two of those hits were home runs. Well, that's interesting. Because which which game was that was that game number two. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm looking at that same game number two and you're to whole hitter combined with zero for six with five strikeouts for those strikeouts were credited to Kris Bryant, so he had a golden sombrero. Mistaken your number three hitter is one Rizzo. So you were a combined one for ten between Bryant and risen that same game. You needed every owns that. You got from the bottom of that order because those were delivering, and you know, the main guys are not going to not deliver all season. So but to see Hayward he's been hitting very well this year. And I tell you what if you got Hayward down there seven eight nine nine in the batting order if they if they if moves a pitcher up or if it's American League, or whatever I mean, you got that kind of production. That's that's going to be something. We know he's going to he's gonna regress to his me as we've talked about before elite hitter. He's supposed to be in the league defender. Let's what he's supposed to be anyway. So that game had some really interesting aspects also in game one if I'm not mistaken, your hero havi by as baby bear didn't. He also wear Goldensohn barrel. What is with your lineup? Having the main guys we're golden some boroughs against this. Bruce pitching staff that has according to everybody. I talked to not looked good. They had the main guys. Really hasn't looked back. Good. They they get lucky, you know, once in a while. Yeah. That hatred today was pure luck, bro. Broken clock. Well, we all know haters for real I think the young guys some things together. It's gonna be interesting. What you need to worry about is your your aging and decrepit starting staff that's my field. I know because hamels was just. Yeah. Your bright spot bright spun he's considered one of the old pitchers. So are you still hot and sweaty for you Darvish because I didn't even see him this weekend. What what was I didn't see him this you'd want? Your your proverbial sei-yung candidate to be pitching against the arch rival team in the division last year. You know, that will hopefully that that will come up here at some point. I get tired about about that. And talking about we mentioned maybe about some predictions that finally since we've started this podcast addictions that have came to be. Yes, yes. We did have some that came to be. We talked about the games we talked about the verse winning two to three the ridiculous. Mona runs scored in the first two games. I think those were borderline records as well. There's a whole bunch of crazy stuff. But yeah, let's get to the meat of the matter. And that's me against you. And see who got what rates? Yeah. Well. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it looks like we both each had. No. I know I did have one three I had four you only had three. Well, that's because you backing up three jumped the gun a little bit and said you were going to sweep the cubs Ernest. Weep the brewers rise before we had decided to really focus on the series. So obviously all the way along I said that would end in game one which it did. Yeah. So so I made four predictions you made three predictions. So I'll I think I think that's how it wound up. Yeah. So my first one was well as originally Darvish, but then I switched to cantata will strike out ten or more brewers and their first meeting. Well that runs that was impressive. Did he have I look at the box for you. I suppose look here. Three three ks. So he got thirty percent of the way there that's pretty self. If we go to one of my predictions. I'll just get this one out of the way. Now, I had Christian yelich going five hundred with two home runs in the series. A bold prediction if I do say so myself, and I do say so myself he ended up four for nine. So I wasn't far off on the five hundred. But I wasn't quite there. Any ended up with one home run? He left a little short today. He had the opportunity pretty and slam pretty bad. Yeah. Yeah. Four for nine with, you know, five RBI in a home run. Couple runs scored in this series. Only one strikeout for our MVP versus the four that your guy had in one game. I don't even know we're havi ended up. Yeah. Yeah. I was way off way bad on that. So are obviously the sweep cups. We brewers close. But you got lucky, but no. They got lucky twice. They took two out of three. Pretty pretty lucky with some weird things happening. But whatever. A lot of a lot of home runs. That was a little weird that was more than expected. Well, let's let's see cubs will score fifteen or more wasn't that. And the in this three-game set that was scored fourteen yesterday. So they easily surpassed that you know. Yeah. I remember when I made that you were pretty. Now, you're you're kind of backpedaling you're like well that wasn't that bowl. That's not that unrealistic prediction. But you you said otherwise when it was made you're like, no. Well, yeah. The game, man. You're a week one. Averaging five runs a game. I don't know. I don't think so. Mike take much it didn't take much for that one to fall. If you wanna go that way. So you got one right there that I got right? What is that? I predicted and this I thought it was pretty bold at the time twenty seven or more combined hits for the brewers. Let's take a look here game number three on Sunday. They had ten game number two on Saturday. They had ten game number one on Friday fifteen. They had thirty five hits in this series so easily clipped that. Lonnie eight. Okay. Yep. Well, the cubs had a game where they had more runs than hits. There's a lot of walks in that particular contests. I think that was. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. So that is where that they've they even beat that as well. So let's see how poorly pitched series was. Well, you made a prediction about the the brewers bullpen. Yeah. I don't think they held it under two for the series right there. I predicted the brewers would have at two point. Oh, ERA or less from the bullpen this series. I'm not even gonna try and do the math. It doesn't matter. It's not even close. As much fun as I was having on Twitter, you know, posting pictures of a dumpster floating down, you know, the street that was flooded in saying that was you know, the Chicago river and that was the cubs bullpen on fire inside as much fun as as having with that the brewers bullpen wasn't much better. So a whole lot yesterday. Sid Wilson six earned runs in point one innings pitched. Yeah. He got credit for loud or runs yesterday. He did. Yeah. That that hurts the. It hurts. The what was nice I thought junior garra wasn't bad. You know, he gave up a couple of walks. Got a strike. Oh, I think I'm gonna like him in the roll out of the bullpen as opposed to starting Taylor. Williams needs to go back down to AAA which he did today. Get some work. They're going to have answers. If I was a cubs fan. It'd be a lot more concerned because the brewers actually have pitching depth down there. Yes, they lost Jeffress and they lost Canabal. Well, guess what Jefferson is gonna come back will be the same guy. I don't know. But at least there's somebody there that you can, you know, have a little hope for and then you've got of course, Jimmy Nelson. What's going to happen there? What do the cubs? Have that can put out the dumpster fire. That is their bullpen right now. Well, it oh, they got a number of them. Have the talent? It's just you know, the got the talent they got the tools. Yeah. Yeah. It'll come together. Not not too worried. They'll gel they'll jump guys were brought up. You know Webster and Ryan both you saw both yesterday. And today, I believe. Okay, ryan. But I was both look good today. Yesterday. I think oh Webster gave up a Ron. Yeah. And Ryan gave up a couple of runs. But all right. Well, I think that's yeah. We've got one more one more prediction, and then maybe take a couple of parting shots, and then we'll get out of here. Because we've got a a full episode where we can really delve into some more. Yeah. Absolutely. We're going to get into that a little bit later in the main episode. This is just a just a couple of guys trying to give each other some crappy. Speaking of hobby by as havi of the golden sombrero, you had a prediction for him. Did you not? Yeah. Eight or more. RBI's that was bold. Yeah. It was also really wrong. How many did he have yet? He hit one home run one that squeaked out. And then did he have any other RBI? He had one RBI one Arbia. Okay. Yeah. So I would say I would say Mr. yellow had a little better series than Mr. by. And well, that's I'm glad I got him with that ten th pick him fantasy draft. Glenn? Thank you. That was lucky lucky. Yeah. Whatever eulogise. Yeah. He's just a really lucky guy. Just really really nice one. One of my four you got one of your three. All right. All right. So that sounds about right. So I'm hitting three thirty three on the predictions. That's a hall of fame pace. I'll take it. So I think the next ones that are to come to be. I see we got a couple and of April Anthony Rizzo seven plus it by pitches and brewers in the top three top three in use of the shift. One other thing is going to mention it's funny because it did cross my mind to make some sort of prediction on this. And I wish I had but zobrist and Scelzo. Like the brewers play in the shift on them. It looks like. Sure, they can try and beat it. That's fine. Zober from both sides of the plate actually, the brewers will adjust and they're going to do a lot of shifting. I have no no issue with if somebody beats the shifts. You know, whatever that's great. I think it's good for the game. When people beat the shifts. I don't know I agree. And and that's what I like about zobrist. I mean, he really does that. Well. Yup. Well, in the other thing, I'd like to mention brawn and themes both hit home runs and back to back games that was really cool for the brew crew outside of that. I'm pretty much outta stuff other than it's pretty obvious who the better team is. And that the come suck. Well, we got a series what in may. So it's going to be a little while. But we'll see where the standings are when they face each other knacks, and we'll see we'll see what's going how how it's going. And who the better team actually is? I think we're gonna know all at the end of the season. You know, that's all that matters. So it is all that matters. But it's a lot of fun along the way, and it is I'm so happy with the start eight and two I would have gladly take an eight and two in a heartbeat. No matter it could have been two loss as the cubs. And I went to care at eighty to start this April with this schedule. Heck, yes, we'll take it may tenth will be the next Chicago series at Wrigley. So we'll do another one of these little drop most likely at the end of that series. We'll have it on your note a little bit more definitely give each other a little more crap. But the good news is Ryan got to clean up Moster, really listen to the game today. So that's a positive. Yeah. Well. A separate thing. But anyways, it it's what I'm saying. Is there was something worse than the cubs losing happening. It makes you feel better about the loss. Well, I, you know, the bright side is a scored a lot of runs against a supposedly good pitching staff. But you know. Just say whatever you'd like to make you feel better. And allow you to sleep at night understand. It's must be tough being a brewers fan. Not as tough as it's going to be to be a cubs fan this year. Well, not for then pass stretches of cubs team. So I'm I'm not worried about it. Yeah. Because you are alive for most of that hundred years when they were losing, right? Never mind. Let's get outta here. All right. We're gonna be. Tune in. Yeah. Exhausting weekend but exacting weekend. We'll continue this conversation. We'll bring up some more specifics. And we'll see see where things are at come. I suppose Wednesday Wednesday. Yeah. Let's do it. We'll have our normal ninety miles episode with tweet of the week all the breakdowns the historical aspect over the future aspect, depending on which way, we go the NL central stuff. But this was just an opportunity for me to tell Ryan cubs really do suck. And there's your evidence. Have I can't wait till the next after the next series out. It'll be fun episode record, and yeah, thanks everybody. Good time and cubs cups of the best. And the brewers. Bye.

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MILLIONAIRE MONEY MINDSET. I GAVE MY MOM A BLANK CHECK. WHAT IS KEEPING YOU FROM MAKING MONEY IN YOUR BUSINESS? WHAT IS YOUR CHILDHOOD MONEY STORY? ARE YOU LIVING IN SCARCITY OR ABUNDANCE? THE MONEY MINDSET YOU NEED FOR A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS.

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So maybe that was thing that people use back in the day when we didn't help hamels using your worst. Like I, at least four, I would say at least four as well. Like I'm a, I'm a solid, four camel person. I think I think she's she's pretty lease like five, Campbell's, maybe four, camels something like that. Imagine if we valued are worth based on how many camels we were actually worth. It'd be says, objective. It'd be like that person things. I'm worth one hundred. This person things. I'm worth three. I dunno help me out here guys like judged based on that. Like damn. She's like at least five, Campbell's lease five camels. So good man. This comes up a lot in my community. This is probably the number one thing that most people struggle with us. Well, yeah. Well, here's the thing right here. Here's why it comes up in my community and it may be different. Oh yeah, with food and with my community, the reason why the majority of like a woman who struggles severely with in eating disorder, they're the lot of the root of that is scarcity, right? It's like that not enough thing, right? And so it's like that family. I gotta eat all the food because I don't know what I'm gonna. Right. So so those traits in those patterns also show up in their relations with money. So they have a very dysfunctional relationship with food and money, and the core of it is scarcely. So when we when we heal it, the scarce thing we move into a place of abundance. We see patterns in both realms, food and money isn't that fascinating that the woman who is his maxing out her credit cards and is in crazy dead is a lot of times the same woman who's also binge eating. Yeah, it's it's just this feeling of there's never going to be enough. Spent eat Spence eat, yeah, it's crazy. It's like it's like addicted to consumption. Rain. It's like I'm addicted to the consumption of food and I might dictate to the consumption of materialism, like having more more more close more this more this, right? But then on the flip side of that, even though they're like addicted to consumption, they're also living in scarcity. They're also afraid of like I'm gonna lose all my money, but then they're also spending all their money is crazy. The beautiful thing about having a money. First of all, we have to understand what is our money story, like, what is the picture of like how we interact with money and how we relate to money and how it flows to us and a relationship like relationship and how are we speaking about money? How are we? How are we respecting it, or lack of respect for it? How are we circulating at how are we spending the money? How are we? What? Like, what are we choose to? How do we feel when we receive the money? How do we visualize about the things that we want right? Because at the end of the day. Desires that we have for the amazing things that we have don't come out of like bum nowhere, right? It's like a true desire of our heart. And so how can we be on the same page as money working with it and not against it? Like all the things like money is the root of all evil and money creates this money. Like we're just like bashing, this this beautiful thing that we all have to us and to circulate into how I mean like there's no way I could have hungry for happiness without money. Obviously, you know, I got, I got a pay my people I got. So so we're creating so much impact into ripples and money's a massive contribution to that whole ecosystem. You know, one of my things I had to rewrite was that money is actually really beautiful, and it's something that when you have it, it's so beautiful in that you can give it back and one of the best moments of my life and I posted about it on Facebook about six or seven months ago. My Instagram was when I handed my mom ably check that was like, he just never. That was like, honestly. One of the best moments of my entire life in twenty eight years. One of the best moments I when I think of the best moments of my life at absolute is top five because to see someone take that energy into see someone feel optionality. It's it's so beautiful and took off a lot of stress on her plate and that for me as my driver to make money to then help people who have a lot of stress, especially my loved ones. It's such a beautiful thing. It truly is. And it's it's what's most important right now is like, not if you have shitty money story or not. It's just to get to know what it is first and foremost, right in order to change anything. We have to. We have to have the awareness and we have to have the acceptance around it, what's my? What's the awareness around money story. Just think about the just think about like how you react when something's quote unquote, too expensive, or how you react when you get a Bill or how you react when you have to pay for something or whatever it is like, what is your personal story? What? What viscerally happens in your body. When you get a Bill. This early happens in your body. When you look at something that's maybe a three hundred dollars coat when normally you would only spend fifty dollars on a co, what happens and don't judge yourself because these are all condition, inheritance stories, right? And the beautiful thing about our stories. Once we realized them have awareness around them and accept them for what they are, then we can upgrade them. Right. And so like now I'm in a place where I'm like, okay, how can I continually upgrade my money now for me because I truly feel me Smith scaly as a human. I literally have at this point in my life and everything I could possibly want and more at this point. But it's like I want to upgrade my story for the collective. I wanna pay my story for my family. You know, my my future like offspring and my parents like, you know, I want to upgrade my money, my money story for like the women that I get to serve and like being sample for them and like children and human trafficking, and all the initiatives that I'm deeply passionate about. Like that's what I wanna do. Now there there was a time, whereas I needed to operate in my money story. So that I could be a frequency that felt good for me. Yeah, level. I'm like, okay, that's done right. I mean, so now it's like, what's the next level? Right? What's the next level on an always asking myself the question of like, who do I need to be shifts that money story and what do I need to believe about myself and my my worthiness love that. What do I need to believe in order for that to happen China about this a ton lately, with my community, your beliefs, cre- action in your action creates reality. So look at someone's Bank account or their lifestyle, or their business, or the relationships, and you can figure out their beliefs I could meet you for ten minutes. Ask you about your life and know that your belief system must be that you believe your abundant, you believe you're worthy of love a Greek guy, agree business, great health. I mean, you obviously somewhere deep inside as well believe. Yeah. And we had to work on this belief system that we are worthy of those really good things for sure. I'm going to take that one step deeper, even more so than beliefs. Let's do in deeper. It's like that hypnosis. Yeah, you know. And they're like. You're going to heap. Bit far BT but beliefs, thoughts, feelings, actions, results, BT f. a. r. right. We have our beliefs. So say the belief is. I, I will never have enough money. That's the belief I'll never have enough money will. What are the thoughts associated with that belief? That's too expensive. It's not worth it. I'm not worth it. It's I'll never be able to live there. I'll never be able to have this. I'll never be able to attract this. It's too expensive. I I'm in debt everything, whatever, right. So those are the thought, so thoughts immediately credit activation, the body. All right. So what is the feeling associated that thought? All right, we'll the feeling is like feeling depleted, not feeling good enough, not feeling, you know that feeling of scarcely feeling scared feeling scare. This is going to happen anxiety, whatever that is, and then thoughts results. Wait, PT f. f. a. actions, right? So when we're in that state of feeling scarcely, feeling scared, not feeling good enough, not feeling abundant what our actions, right? We're trying to grip onto everything and make sure that we keep everything. God forbid we spend a dollar right? And then with our results were living in this lack in this life of lack limitation where we're actually. I'm not doing the things that we want to do. We're not. We're not being who we want to be. We're not being expressed because we don't have the means to do that. But what does this idea say put yourself on a budget? No, fuck budgets. Those don't work like. Fuck budgets. Those don't work right. Kelly. If if Dave Ramsey heard this right now, if you shouldn't his pants. Yeah, you'd be like why this whole thing like save and save until you're living in a box and then rhymes that's like. That's like I get the saving, but like I like onlin. Ten. Yeah, don't get me wrong. There's things that I do prefer per pair for retirement like like investing and whatever there is. Fine. How Harry. Yes. So I've cashed on like this, like really hot billionaire. I'm told us time preparing hot rich, do fine. I got 401K believes yet. So so, but before we do any of that before we attract the wealth to reinvest in to circulate we have to look at our beliefs. We have to change our beliefs. I like like believes overbudgeting might there's no sense going to budgeting when you have a shitty belief system because you're just going to put that energy into it. Yeah. Well, it's interesting because my my story that many of you know is I one hundred thousand dollars dead. When I left college a few months early to pursue entrepreneurship on paper. It looked like I was doomed. I was. I was not very myself for success, and I remember that amount being so heavy and feeling so tight. And I know this may sound that shit crazy, but I'm just going to be honest ladies to pay off that debt. It took me a few years. I did not budget to pay it off. I decided to make more and to make a lot more into come up with new business ideas and to bring in more revenues like a pay it off in chunks. I didn't budget. So that's just an example, whether that you're like, shit, your pants right now on your that's so funny, actually responsible, well, hey, I did it. And so. I want people to know that there are different ways to attack money. There are different ways attack, paying off debt. There are different ways to to make money, and I think it all comes down to what's your belief system. And my belief system that was rooted in me is I want to bring in more. I want to bring in more so I'm not feeling like I'm suffocating myself felt good for me. And so totally again, Dave Ramsey listening, probably freaking out. But you know what day Phuc these girls listen, Dave, I pay. Okay. So I think there's like this very, very archaic old school model of like how we become wealthy. Even if you even if you look at just like society in general, it's like we're all preparing to get wealthy for when we retire. It's like I don't wanna be rich when I'm almost dead. Like you know, like I wanna I wanna be like wealthy and abundant now so I can enjoy it. Right. And so there's all of these like this and then you enjoy. It's like, no, why don't we just like flip that whole thing on his head and create a new way of attracting buttons and create a new way of serving because it. It is just your most of y'all are health coat. Y'all. I'm so Canadian. What did I say? Most of you guys are house coaches, a wellness coaches in helping people in the business of helping helping people the majority of of your your community life coaches, whatever it is. It's like the more that we serve at the deepest level, the more that we get to get to attract. And so why are we not playing at that level percent? I would love to know before we get into these cock blocking tips or whatever these are. I would love to know and I'm sure the women, listener, curious as business owners who we have employees and we pay people, how do you, what is your mindsets around pain your employees? Because that to a lot of people sounds all holy crap. Oh my God. What if it all falls, how do you feel going to sleep at night knowing you're responsible for someone else's food on their table? What does that feel like? Do you have any practices of when you write the check to them, or obviously goes out onto Matt. Each them. Do you have any practices of abundance around that or? So, I have a system around when money comes into the company really feel into what it took for that individual to invest in themselves for a better life. I'm whoa, that's amazing. When people join our certification program and they invest two to four better life on my wow, what it took for that person who probably didn't have the money sitting in a coun- waiting to Chilin Chilin. It's like it's like, I just think about that person like, wow, who Julie had to be in that moment to say, yes to herself is like so amazing. So I have a practice of it coming in and like what that means. But I love that. One of like when I pay people out to when I pay people see there's Canadian when I pay people out to to really pre shoot it in them. What I, what I love seeing is like a look on Instagram stories and what like my director of ops Brittany, she has like a kid and so she's like, wow, she's finally get to pick him up from. School and drop them off in the morning. That means so much and that for me, my God. I got to change her life because I'm giving her flexibility in her role and the abundance to be able to like be like, basically like a stay at home mom and have a fulltime job love the practice of actually as I'm paying them to think about because yeah, got my employees are everything in my company, and I share fall where to hire soft the first time. Right? Because hunger. Fabulous. I was like profitable since day one like fairly because it was just me. And I was just like doing my thing until like any money that came in. I was like, now that I have like a team and expenses and this and that and Facebook ads and all the things. Yeah. Yeah, there's more on the line. Right. And so so an in all of that, it's like a deep recall of like, how do I enhance my story? How do I enhance my abundance? Because if the leader of an organization is rooted and scarcely what's going to happen to the entire organization, it's going to be in fear and scarcity. I'm, that's not the kind of climate that I want to create within my organization. I want it to feel abundant in flowing and exciting and full of opportunity. And like if I'm constantly in a state of like, we need to cut corners. We need to say that money. No, you can't have a no, right. If I'm doing that, people are going to feel that they're gonna feel the intensity and it's really beautiful to shift it from all my God. I have all these people to pay. There's money that's that's negative. That's read. There's money going that I'm never gonna see again and then shifting that to every single time I hire someone that brings me more. Bring that pays me back tenfold every single time I hire someone that brings more money into the company, and that's a beautiful way to see it. Because if you gals, listening are hiring well, they should be bringing more money into the company. That's the whole reason why you hire them is to be able to do more work, have more manpower, which thus conserve more people in bring more clientele in. So really seen it for the beautiful thing that it is versus starting to resent them or hate the bills, and maybe some of you newbies your your mail. Chimp Bill. One of my gals in my last mastermind said, I just hate that every month I pay mail. Chimp fifty bucks. I said, you should be so excited at your Email is growing and you the opportunity to serve more people. That's a really, really good thing instead of seeing like hall man, ka job as a hundred bucks a month male chimps. What you got all these, like these, these systems that you're using these overheads, will you guys one compared to a brick and mortar? That's nothing. Literally. That's nothing to maintain it online business in to see it as a really good thing. Thank God that you started this business. I can help all these people and who cares? You've got overhead. I mean, get over it. I know that sounds kind of tough love but get the Frick over it. Get over his head. Get over your overhead. These women think it's going to be zero dollars and they're always complaining to be like, I got two hundred bucks. I'm like a hundred bucks to like for example, Java you guys know use it. I love it. It's the best thing ever. It's one hundred one hundred fifty bucks a month, three hundred. If you're on the other level the tier and to think about that, that's nothing compared to the capability in the opportunity. It's just nothing compared to the opportunity that you have to make totally millions and millions of dollars potentially from courses online and health people. And if you make at least two hundred bucks a month. Well, you just covered your. Ahead. So you have to shift your mindset around putting money into your business. Nobody built a successful business acting broke. Nobody you cannot act broke expect to get rich on. So Cigna, that's so always they people. You cannot expect to get rich and wealthy and have this huge business acting like a cheap ass. Just can't. Yeah. It goes back to that like actors. If thing I when I, the first the first couple of years of hunger happening. So I was like, I'm going to act as if I already have figure business. I love that and like I guarantee that's what allowed me to have seven figure this way quicker than if I was like, no. Dicken around, you know, like and like I'm talking about like digging around internally, right? It's like when we talk about investment in your business, it's like you are the business. So like either you're investing in your business, like actual tools or investing in yourself to be the type of leader that can sustain in organization or sustain a business where I say organization that organization could be UNLV a, it doesn't actually matter. But like are you investing in yourself? I know for share a quick story. So I was, gosh, this was this was like, literally for years ago is right when I started Hungary, five minutes, I was serving. I was serving at a place called the keg in Vancouver serving beers and stakes. I was the worst ever, but I made it up personality. I was like, oh, I forgot that. Sorry. And, but anyway, I was thinking eight dollars an hour as making eight dollar garner steak. Sorry. I think our I I think I was making three thousand dollars a month, maybe twenty five hundred. Maybe two. It was like somewhere around that, but I can remember I paid a coach and I was going in the red, five hundred dollars a month. So I'm pretty sure I paid him like three thousand and the my my what I was getting paid on a monthly with twenty five hundred. Anyways. I was losing five hundred dollars every single month and what that what that showed me was how powerful I actually am because I had no evidence. All ahead was a belief at that. I had no evidence. All I had was a belief, no evidence like I didn't have any like save money like I didn't ask for money for my parents. I didn't. I no evidence as far as being super Uber successful evident. Oh, not at all tangible world that this was even gonna happen going. Be funk serving beers. You know? Like a dream, I yeah, but I was like, I know I have to do this. I know I have to do. And because of like my passion and my like just like brute force, knowing that it was I had to do it. I was like, I'm just, I'm just going to throw shit at a wall and see what six be and do everything I can and see what happens. And within a few months, I was like, all right, I'm quitting my job because on now I love it. You bet on yourself when you bet on yourself, you never. You never lose. I'd never let myself down because I know if I bet on myself I'm going. I'm going to show up and I'm going to do the thing. I love that. Like even even like recently, like I've taken up golf recently and I like I really love it, but I'm like, I'm just going to throw myself into that and dual the things and invest the money into it because I want to be really fucking good at that. You know, like it's one of those things did that with my business at the beginning. And I think like, you know, eventually when I when I a mother, like I want to invest into that and be the best version of myself in that. And I think ultimately, what this comes down to honestly is my just like curiosity for my edges like cool, how much money can I make. Like how? How abundant can I feel how good how good can I get right? I always say like this is just my new normal. Now, even even in the space s my normal, normal normal. You make it the norm. I love that. I love that. Let's dive into the first one which is vibrating in scarcity, were diving into the things that we think are cocking you from. Into your business. Okay. Let's should. We use it other bombs with kids but would be great. The kids need to know. Okay. Everything is either love or fear, scarcity or abundance. Everything in life is love or fear every single situation every single conversation every single decision. So this is kind of the same thing. You can't be sitting there in scarcity and then also in abundance at the same time, I don't think you can live in both. Right? Right, right. Yeah, you can't. You can't. There's those two can not coexist together. We have to choose. Here's something so important to remember anything we want in life. We have to first be it for us to attract it right? And so if we want to attract love, we have to be loved. I we can't go out into the world in a state of self hatred, expecting to constantly receive love and feel it. We have false love. We can have one sands, but like when I'm talking about actual low, we have to be what we want always. And the same thing goes with money. Like if we want to attract abundance, we have to freak, we have to align our frequency to abundance. We can't attract abundant when we're in a state of scarcity. It doesn't work. So if we're like there's not enough, there's not enough. There's no more clients. I don't know what I'm gonna do a pay me. Pay me baby. It's like, no, that's literally like goes against the laws of the universe. Like if you want to be abundant and attract wealth and be. Be a make ten thousand twenty thousand thirty thousand one hundred thousand dollars a month. You have to be the frequency. I have to embody it. It's a full on internal embodiment of the frequency so that it can make its way to you or else you literally are just cocking it and wondering why you're stuck and you're not good enough and everyone else's crushing or not you. Yeah, I love that. I love that. It's really starting to act as if and to feel into abundance and start feeling like you're worthy of that fryer had having that. So this is this. Maybe this may be daydreaming for you guys. That's what it was. A lot for me is walking around and maybe seen homes that I loved that I wanted to live in one day or spending time with people in masterminds or meet ups who had that abundance. And so I was tricky my system. I was tricking almost my central nervous system into Flaine at a higher level and thinking that it could take that in told and then it just started to slowly happen. So it's almost like you do have to have. Your system play a game. This is super important. I feel like I've done that five times in the show so obsessed with this conversation. Right? So this is so important. We say. Oh, I remember. I remember. Okay, so so over. Here's what's so important. Right. I want you is to really get this Jeff. I forgot again, then we funny. Okay. So your system right now, if you've not done a lick of personal development in the row of money, your system right now is just it's default is just scarcity. Yeah. Right. So you wake up scarcity, you do your thing, scarcity around your system is literally just vibrating at the frequency of scarcity revival? Yes, because you've not programmed it yet, right? You're we have to introduce our systems to the frequency so that they can attach to something right. So like leg yourself, literally in this takes work, I'm not saying that you can do overnight. This takes work like literally feel the frequency of abundant in for five minutes. Just like think closer is visualize. What is abundance feel like for me, it feels like my heart's like open and my, my solar plexus feels like light and Spacey, and I'm like, oh, just feels like. Open and free. I need to like wake my system up to that new frequency because if I check out on going, default mode, it'll go into into scarcity. It doesn't anymore because I've rewired all the narrow pathways for the last four years of taking a lot of work. So I can like wire. But to your point, shrinking yourself into abundance like our system doesn't know the difference. We have to put the blueprint in so that the programs can rewire. And so it's about being so intentional about like, okay, I'm choosing to feel abundant right now. I'm doing this right now. I'm going to stay here and I'm going to say here, I'm gonna feel this and you can do this in your car. You can do this out work. You can do this anywhere. You don't have to sit on a yoga mat in like an awesome. You can do this anywhere and you probably whatever. Okay. Moving on. Okay. So you can do this anywhere. But the point is we have to introduce our systems, give it like a drink, like a drink of the abundance to feel it. And when we're feeling it, if we want to supercharge that visualize what that would be for you. Very specific, whether it's a beautiful home or having a car, whatever that is money Bank and then and then truly think thoughts that are abundant fetter special to you. Write that down unless you're driving, don't don't go when you get home realist- into this a million times. I know they're loving this right now. I feel like girls are like, yes, I. The second one is the story we have around money, and this is usually the childhood story guys childhood really screwed you or saved you. I mean, it's all it's all about childhood. If you haven't noticed yet, listening to a lot of the episode, life coaches and spiritual coaches, it's holies, childhood childhood childhood, really framed everything for us and subconsciously up until about seven years old, they say is when we were programmed for money. So this could have been you even in the backseat hearing your mom's as I mean, like, damn it. You know, we can't go to the zoo. Admissions fee is twenty bucks. We can't afford that. And you took that in when you were a little girl, and that's if you don't really get options, and that's very expensive whether you were old enough yet to have the conversation or not, or even know really what money was you started to take in these subconscious messages about money, and this is why I'm going to be very, very conscious about what I say to my children, future children about money because it's dangerous. They can hear starting at probably one years old how you're treating money and what what's possible. And this is a really good time. If you ladies listening to have never thought about your money story. This can be a little awkward. This could be journaling to start. This could be a phone call with mom and dad. That's real awkward. But you know, one hash day you live once. Have those awkward condos. And going back to what your parents told you and nine out of ten people usually tell me he had my mom and dad. Every single day came home and said, life's hard work sucks. Always going to be in debt, and then you die. And that's what they were told in money doesn't grow on trees. And yeah, you were given all these bullshit stories, and it's the stories that they say, but it's also the feeling that we get. Right. So he's going back to the field. It's like, so if you're at the garden with your mom and your mom was paying for something, if your mum was an, you're quite young and impressionable at that time, if your mama's in a state of like, oh God, I'm gonna put this on the credit card. Although this expensive and she like her system contracts were we're so like little sponges, right. So you're going to get that sponginess. You're going to get that energy of scarcity in your system, whether if she said something or not, but if she's having those feelings. For sure. She saying things. So not only are you getting the like a logical downloads of what she's saying logically, but you're also getting the frequency? Yeah. So, yeah. I mean, our parents do a number on us whether we like it or not like like I know for sure. I'm gonna mess up my kids in some way. I'm sure right. Like I don't think there's no such thing as a firm. Yeah, sounds crazy. Of course. I'll be like, Johnny again me a beer. I'm kidding doesn't even during that often. All that I call if I think I'm gonna take a beer drinking. I feel like they go hand gonna turn into like a forty year old man on me, like what happened to this of of hungry. Fabulous. Oh, she's now a beer-drinking Gulf where that's weird that outfit. Good. You. But yeah, I mean, here's the thing. Here's something really important to remember as you're reflecting on your personal story. Like don't blame your parents. Don't shame them because they're, they're doing the best that they can given the situation that they were in the end. Yeah. And if we don't do any work on herself, we're only as evolved as the least developed part of our parents. And so like the fact that you're even here listening to this podcast, this live sh tells us that you have an interest in personal development, amazing anyways, but don't blame your parents are point fingers. Just take ownership over your own experience in your own story and know that you can shift your experience and shift your story order. Change your life. Hey, real quick. Are you looking to create an online course? If yes, could job is going to be your secret weapon. If you've been wondering what platform to use to host your courses could Javi is your answer. I've been using job for the last two years. That's how I run all of my online courses. Worry host my website. That's where he hosts, my Email marketing system. I run my entire business through job and. Good job is looking you up with thirty days. Completely free. Get to try it out for thirty days. See if you love it. Angelique Ajab dot com. If you're creating on link, I cannot recommend ca job enough. It's easy to use. It's beautiful. I use it's run by entire business. Any questions you have send them my way, NGO leakage, AVI dot com. I can't wait for you to start your free trial. I saw my parents super broke growing up on food stamps, and then my mom going to garage sales to get get Mike and Christmas gifts because they couldn't afford Christmas or she would go to garage sale and get one dollar Barbie and then washing clean off the Barbie and like clean off the toys and I didn't know. And she want me to see which we go in the bathroom clean off stuff. I know right. How cute? What amazing. Amazing, mom. And then I saw my dad make tons of money and then it go completely other way multimillionaire living in a house with a pool. I saw everything I saw being really broke. I being very wealthy. I saw the dichotomy of which one brought happiness, both had pros and cons. It was very. And confusing as a child for me. But I do remember my mom saying that she wanted to make sure I didn't. I didn't see that and I was really young, but for many years of my life, she got all the clothes from hand-me-downs and garage sales on year. They were so broke and bankrupt because my dad was a serial entrepreneur try new things and wasn't a good year, I guess. And she had to go to the library to get toilet paper because they were so broke. They couldn't even get toilet paper. So it's created much of that. How much of that did I really pick up? Maybe I did and I have a lot of scarcity still deep fears of, oh my God, I don't wanna have to be so broke one day that I have to go to the library to get my kids paper. Maybe that's in me, right. We all have it stores. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And it. So it's so great to just do inquirer around it and just like get really honest with ourselves because even though our environment changed there still can be residual stories and beliefs and energies in our systems that like we don't know until we liked have into them. Right. Oh, yeah, I'm sure I've got like a cocktail of shit in my systems is still, you know, they're not migrate their childhood. I got one right here. I'm kidding. But yeah, for real. I mean, like it was, you know, parents grandparents -ociety like just us being so spongy as children and just taking this all in and it's like, what are and this is just real for me just in this moment, like what are my beliefs around like relationships, right? So it's like it's like, oh shit. Like, what do I actually believe about that? Where come from? Is that mine? And that's such a great question to ask is that when you're when you're when you're doing these money story, like deconstructing your money story, like is that my story is up the consciously choose dismantle skelly at twenty nine years old consciously choose that story. Is that real feel it? Good is not mine like just ask yourself that question right? Because it's like like, so often we just borough stories from other people. Like I'll tell your story around like how relationship should be Earl story about how money should be and all, but like let's get really aligned with what our story actually is. And, and you know, like for me, I wanna make. A crapload of money, so I can circulate it back and I can. I can be just a vehicle for abundance and transformation, but but some people, their ideal of abundance, his five thousand dollars a month, and that feels really good for them because they get to quit their job and whatever. Right? But so just get really honest with yourself, what's your existing story? What are your condition stories and what do you want your story to be? Yeah, I love that. I love that this is a good time for you to journal this out. If you're listening to this and asked that simple question is this mine is the story mine and my open to reading a new story. Because at any point in your life, you can write a news story. I truly believe you can rewrite the story and the any day you want about anything about your weight, your relationships, your money, your business? Yeah. The next one we're going dive into his circulation of money versus spending, and we've dabbled in this a little bit, but seeing money as an energy that circulates and comes back to you. Money loves to move. It's an energy that loves to flow and be given and received versus this linear of, okay, I'm gonna. To spend money, and then that's it. And I never see it again, and that's how I used to think is that it was super linear. You spend it, you're done. You're screwed. You'll never see it again. You spent five hundred while now you're negative five hundred versus will spending that or investing that five hundred. I love the word investing or suspending. Will that come back to me to full threefold fourfold? Yeah. Yeah. Very interesting. In a business owner you, you have to drop the fear around investing money. I touched on this a few minutes ago about the overhead of your business. You can't be afraid of money. If you fear money, being afraid of money doesn't bring money to you. It's relationship. It's like if you fearful of your boyfriend going out and cheating, he's more likely to then probably go cheap because you're you're holding on so tightly to him, and you're so obsessed with this obsession and and what we have cesovic's in that negative way in that controlling way. I don't think it allows it room to breathe Hugh. Have any anxiety that comes up when you look at your online banking. You should check that used to do this practice where like literally every single day I would just log on and go Kay, what's up and how can I like? How can I feel calm while looking at this when it wasn't, it wasn't what I wanted. Like find your money triggers and literally like just go, go ahead. Go like what's up. I'm here. I'm showing up for you, and I'm showing up for this right action based transformation is so important looking at your online baking go. I am abundant. I feel good bub-bubba like really doing that, like whatever triggers you have around money. Go head to head with them and like very loving way in don't repress them or avoid them for four voiding things can't heal them. We have to feel in order to heal, so we have to go into it. We have to, we have to stay stuck in it and just go like undis- going to feel this. It's really scary and I really don't like it, but I'm just going stay. And I'm just going to be here. Right, and we do this relationships and we're gonna fight. It's like, you know, my tash Masao avoid and we got to read that book attaches. We'll do a book club, so I'm like a conflict. Like I just wanna do one of those folks this, right? So like my but I know that about myself. So my work is like, I'm going to stay in this. I'm going to feel through all these layers. I'm going to really be here and not like do that. And then that's where the learning and that's where the growth is and the same thing with money. Right? It's so easy to avoid our Bank accounts and avoid the bills and push it away, and you know, ignore that person that's asking us for their final Bill payments on whatever. And and but go head to head with it, just be there with it be there with because that's how we change the programming in our body to go. I can handle this feel like there's times were your, whether it's like house worker laundry, and you're like, put it off, put it off, put it off, put around. And then as soon as you do, you're like, that wasn't so bad. Why don't put it off his own right? Is that avoidance thing. So if you feel of winning with money, just lean and be present with it. And like start your relationship with. I love that. I love that you are. You're not afraid to feel green quality of yours. You're not afraid to feel. Really feel feel everything feeling includes all of the feelings, the good, the bad Douglas. You're just not afraid to feel it makes you a very emotionally healthy human. Sometimes I question that because I'm like, oh my God, I'm crying again. Right? Like you're right, you're right. Yeah, I'm such an emotional person because I don't know I I'm just like that. And as a child people always like you're too sensitive. But my sensitivity is my superpower because it allows me to be like a really good coach and a really great speaker and do all the things because I can feel everything right. Like I can feel the energy of your dogs. You know, like it's crazy how much I can feel. And so I I like get emotional a lot because I feel like I just need to cry this all just be driving down the one. Oh one. Oh, it's so nice. And then I'm like, Ooh, I feel sad bomb is out into all keepdriving and I'm fine. But it's like, so here's the thing race of release. That's a release it. We're going on a site tanto. We're going back in one second. So it's a release, right? So so think about like peeing a release pooping release. Do you judge yourself for peeing? I mean, every day I take a poop like really, Angie really had to do that. What? What are you a humid or something. I'm going to shame you for the rest of the day or something. They'll be feeling a lot of anger in my body, and I'll just be like. Scream and I get I good now, I hope that inspires you ladies to just feel all the feels, let it out, let it out with money, like there's so many feelings that come up around money. There's so much there. So let's just let it not so much there. You're mad at yourself. If your anger, if your mandate, whoever just like don't project it, but just let it out this last one. Burns it sings. It's like a UTI. It stinks hate those. Things. Oh my God, you're free to invest. We Susan, we're talking to you right now your frayed to invest because God forbid that coach the conference, the book, the workshop. Whatever it is you're looking to invest in, what if it doesn't come back? What if it fails, what if you fail? What? If what? If what? If what? If and it's so difficult life as a human to bet on yourself when you don't have a lot in your hands to bed on your, just it's it's pure faith. Yeah, it's pure faith, and I'm going to be real for a lot of my business. And I think a lot of SAM's in the beginning, we were just getting up and going. I relied on faith that was the fuel source is just believing and knowing so deeply that I was going to figure it out. I still think we're still hoping I, you know, like I really had to the beginning because I didn't evidence now, at least I have evidence when I got stuff going on, but still it's like it's so much more about belief and faith and it is like, I don't know if thing. Yeah, I just have really strong. I believe I'm protected. I was laughing. When you talked about UT is I said to my friend yesterday, I said, I would rather be punched in the face for five hours every single day. Then have you ever again. Someone just punching you face. Like if I was just sitting there like every. Okay, Sam, it's your time to punch in the phase that versus having UT is I take the punched in the face. Taegu's and you're listening to this episode and let us know if you're at this point in his episode right l. pause it. Take a screen shot of you. Listening to this tag me tag sale and right in the story UTI or punch in the face. If you I wanna know if you made it this episode. Okay. Ted Addy listening has anything done to help you pick me up at Smith. This Kelly. Anyway. Moving on. Okay. So money. So here's this. Makes it worse. So k. so this whole thing about. Money coming back, right? So what we have so it's like I'm scared is not gonna come back, right? What we have to realize when we put it in this pot over here is not gonna come from that pot, right? So for instance, like if you'd come, whoever's going to pay some brave. Yeah. By the way, I'm so excited. It's like not gonna come directly back from the pot that you put it in, but it opens up so many other channels for it to come from all these other channels that you don't even know. So maybe pace be brave and you meet someone who introduce you to someone and then something happened and it's like, boom, you know, whatever that is. It's like, so when I pay for something, when I circulate money when I invest, I'm always like, I'm so excited to see where this is going to come from and it turns life into like the scavenger hunt. I'm just, I'm so curious where this abundance is gonna come from. Yeah, I love that. It's getting out of the how and knowing that it comes back to you in some capacity because again, I don't know if this is really sinking in for you guys, but money is just energy. It's just a form of energy just like light. Just like food does like everything as we are these energetic being. It's just an energy exchange. And so when you can fully understand that and you realize when you bring value and you show up, you're going to receive energy back for that. And when you invest in yourself, aka you make this asset you, you're the business, you're the personal brand, you put money or you throw energy into it. Now you're more energy rich, and when you're energy, rich, s you're then going to go put out more good things into the world, and you're more valuable and guests. When your value increases your prices can increase and people are more likely to pay you. So if you're feeling as if who am I to teach, who might be a coach, who am I to blah, blah, blah, go make yourself more energy, rich, which means make yourself more valuable as education is that practice. This you get more testimonials is you showing up and showing that you get the social proof and you can bring that education bringing more value to what you do is always going to bring you money, bring value to the marketplace, basic marketing, right marketing. We're blended now, but I think we should also plug in certain now. I mean a little bit. Speaking investing. About those cert-, but seriously, I wasn't even planning to segue into this, but if you want to become more energy, rich as a health and wellness coach, this is specifically for health and wellness coaches listening right now, and you're feeling like, what do I bring to the table? I'm brand new. I have this passion. I have a cool story. What else can I bring? I think when you invest in masterminds in courses and certifications and these live events relates coming to pays me. If you're increasing your your frequency, you're increasing what you know and who you know, and that's making you more energy, rich. Here's. Here's a cures. Why of critically talking about being more valuable? What do we need to pay attention to when it comes to shifting like the health industry, we need to start talking about emotions, you know, even like everything we talked about money, we're not talking. It's like budgeting versus changing your frequency. We need to do the same thing across the board in the entire industry. Understanding why people are doing what they're doing. Understanding why binging, why they're overeating, why they hate themselves, why they're overweight and overwhelmed, you will make yourself so much more valuable when you understand the root cause of it and can truly help people in the way that that that they need to be helped. And going back to what I said previously, like I so commend every single person in this position that goes like, I'm doing that. I'm on-board that mission. I don't care what it takes. I'm going to do it and that type of person is like, I'm like, yes, I bow to you. 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I know there's someone listening to this right now who's feeling so down and out as an entrepreneur, you're brand new, you're frustrated, maybe invested a little or you haven't yet sister friend. You've got this and believe in yourself and know that when you risk and you roll the dice on yourself, it always gonna come back favor. I truly believe that I believe the people that are brave, it pays off. Does pace. Raised to be break. You got, you realize just not really until I was like, oh, shit phased. But it's so true and that's where I came up with the name of it. I, I love that game. I love that name. True. You guys bet on yourself. You're not even betting on the coach or the program. Yes, you are in a sense, but you're betting on you're, you're going to show up, you're going to be successful once you decide you are, it's just a decision. It's just about not stopping. It's about showing up every day and nobody can stop you, but you. So I think it's really important for you. 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Nation Calls For Return Of Theme Songs That Explain Shows Whole Deal

The Topical

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Nation Calls For Return Of Theme Songs That Explain Shows Whole Deal

"It's a new movement that's bringing more and more protesters out of their homes and into the streets here white people across the nation are demanding a return to TV theme songs that explain the shows whole deal, and later we're going to show you how to clean out that little straw thing and your water bottle that's always covered in mold. Then how to properly prepare that mold as delicious afternoon snack from the onion and onion public radio I'm Leslie Price, and this is the topical stick around after the break. Of course, you want to be ignorant that's your call back in a moment. In the shadow of a global pandemic life feels increasingly unpredictable and stressful with many still holding out for things to return to pre cova days that desire for normalcy is prompted Americans to take to the streets this past week as part of a growing movement calling for the return of television theme songs that explained the show's whole deal opie our entertainment protests correspondent. Mercy Hammond joins me now marcy. So, many Americans seem to be losing patients with the day to day struggle of figuring out a TV show. That's right. Leveling Americans of all races, religions, sexualities, and socioeconomic class have united in their demands. That television shows go back to the days when episodes began with a catchy tune and lyrics explaining the entire concept of show thousands of activists marched through La. New York yesterday carrying signs with. Messages like doctor who you tell me and chanting what's this show? We don't know. I. Spoke with one of the leaders of a movement Erica. Hamels, here's what she had to say all these shows today have theme songs with no lyrics or songs with lyrics that have absolutely nothing to do with the story when self quarantine started I watched all five seasons of the wire waiting for someone to. Walk through a garden like the theme song suggested it was a huge waste of time I never had any idea what was going on we the people demand that at least seventy, five percent of shows be preceded by a tight one minute display of music and visual clues that lets us know what we're getting into with the hope that it will be one hundred percent within the next four years. What a passionate plea for transparency and clarity yeah. It's clear that Americans are longing for the heyday of musical exposition that told us that Gilligan's island was supposed to be three hours. Word Spleen tell the fresh prince has life turned upside down. The two women and sister sister were sisters exactly mercy. How is this issue been able to get? So out of hand I'll hammill says that things have been on a downward spiral ABC's tgif lineup was canceled in two thousand. So it's been almost two decades with system of checks and balances to make sure the American populace knows the plot of the show they're watching minutes zero here's animals again. I cannot tell you how many times I've turned on my television in thought, what who are these people? What is their relationship to one another? How did they get into the situation that the entire premise of the show is based on? WHO'S A jokester? WHO's the Sassy One? Is there a dad? Are there to dad's stop making us figure it out as the story unfolds I'm looking at you Hbo Your Stylish. Instrumental. Covers of popular songs in different musical genres are too cerebral melodic wordless opening titles are even worse. Enough is enough for the first two seasons I thought Westworld was going to be about pouring milk on people and animals and I still have no idea what the show is about mile. You're not alone lively testers I spoke to feel similarly, I would opening credits are just Title, Card that doesn't tell me anything I. already know the name of the show. What happened to slapping some fun upbeat Music City Skyline folks up tax. We want a perfect strangers opening where the plot of cousins from different parts of the world becoming roommates is communicated. So clearly, so many times that even a moron gets it. Some viewers want television executives to go back to spoon feeding them narratives. And put like that. It seems like more than reasonable response to years of neglect they're fighting for their right to slip into a comfortable stupidity and be entertained in stressful climate network executives responding to these demands while executives at ABC CBS NBC Fox Streaming Platforms like Netflix and Hulu are tough to budge in the immediate future. But many are putting together investigative committees that promised to bring new straightforward content as soon as two thousand, twenty two until then networks will be airing reruns of old easy to follow Saturday morning cartoons. I have to say hearing this report has opened my eyes a bit. I think part of what's important during these times is not just recognizing the sweeping injustices but also taking responsibility for your role in it for too long. We here at the topical with our lyrics opening theme song had been complicit and we admit that our show is part of the larger opening credit problem. But. That ends here at an ends now. This is is. Top cold. So. You. Thank. You. Know. There's so much you don't know who. You are bar. Stool. Pet in credit. Bleed. Stu. But that's all right. We'll read you. Knew. Say High End by. SUMS UP Show. Please like. And her Saheb -scribed on. Call Paul. Sleek. High. Guess that's a good step in the right direction monthly. Thank you, Marcy. Pretty proud of myself for putting in the effort. It's OPR's Marcy. Hammonds back in a moment. Ever, since I broke every single one of my toes trying to unload the dishwasher without using my hands, I can always feel it in my bones when there's about to be more news and Yup here it comes. Here's what else you need to know today the financial woes brought on by the coronavirus pandemic may be only the beginning as economist today are warning Americans that the money currently weathering to ash in their hands could be A. Sign of looming recession researchers from the Economic Policy Institute of found that having numerous five dollar bill suddenly turned into a powdery residue that slips through your fingers may be one of the strongest indicators that our country is heading toward a significant period of financial decline. No matter how many times we fruitlessly grab the charred remains as it blows away with the wind and spirals off into the horizon and bad news for those dabbling and psychedelics. and New report out today is found that over eighty six percent of Silla sipe mushroom sold on the street or cut significantly with Portobellos. Well, that explains why I'm so lucid right now this sucks and finally if you have a teenager at home, you're certainly already familiar with this story it's a popular new APP that all the kids are now flocking to it's called secret swap and it shows you how beautiful your face would look if. You leaked classified information to the Chinese government. I know my Stepson Derek is addicted to this thing, but it seems to have really piqued his interest in a lot of new subject. So I'm certainly not complaining he came home the other day insisting out of the blue that he'd like to learn how to speak Mandarin and he's even been asking if he can meet some of my sources at the CIA to learn more about what they do. These kids today I just can't keep up with them. That's it. For the topic today, I'm Leslie priced. If you enjoyed today's episode, you can like and subscribe to the top goal wherever you get your podcast. Otherwise, you might be forced to your own opinions for once and nobody wants that and don't forget to tune in tomorrow episode where we'll sit down with a man whose confidence you would have been against slavery. Had he been alive during the nineteen sixties is a fascinating conversation and you won't want to miss it. We'll see you next to. Topical

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#536 Let Them Eat Dirt

Science for the People

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

#536 Let Them Eat Dirt

"A hundred years ago most kids were actually dying infectious diseases but these days that doesn't happen and so it's really a bounce between this hygiene to prevent your kid from getting all these highly infectious agents and killing them early in life and then also exposed microbes but I would argue that the things that killed kids one hundred years ago diptheria cholera tetanus smallpox. We don't Hamels in our society so the threat to the child these days due to infectious saved is very little but we're still behaving like there's a major threat. We have to keep these kids really clean only by getting infection welcome to science for the people. I'm Andy Geico has rubbed with me is Dr Brent Finland or professor of microbiology at the University of British Columbia and Co author of let them eat dirt saving her child who over over sand highest world doctor Finlay welcome to science the people you've been conducting research on human embryos for many years but the human microbiome only become a topic of high interest in the public. I was saying just the last few years many people myself included experienced the effects of an unhealthy unbalanced gut microbiome and are looking for ways to resolve these health problems as walls prevents them from affecting getting our children. You've identified that early. Childhood is a crucial time for building a stable microbiome and you focus specifically on this stage of life in the book so can you start off by telling us why it's important for parents to think about their children's microbiome yeah so a lot there is true. microbiome field is fairly new so we as a research lab got into it in the early two thousands my lab historically worked on Diarrhea Korea bacteria such as Choline Salmonella and then we started asking rather naive question well. There's all these other microbes in the gut that we've known about Cincinnati and leaving hook invented the microscope type thing but we've never ever considered them back. Then it was called the normal flora and we did some very crude experiments to see what happens happens and if the microbes affected diarrhea and of course they did and that got us started down this whole slippery slope for almost a black hole microbiome world which as you now know just exploded so what we're started one of the areas that we're starting to we than February researching is early in life so really the microbes seem to have their biggest influence on Isis people that when electrical book of life early life and late in life thereof and another story book wrote the whole body microbiome. That's about microbes and healthy ageing that's not we're talking about a retirement early in life so we we had some clues that early life microbes were important for quite a while. There's these animals that we call germ free so you can take mice you birth and by C. Section section so they're sterile and you can then put them in cages and feed them sterilize food water and so they have no microbes in and they've been doing this since nineteen fifties and they know that if animals key vitamins they can actually keep these things alive but they don't develop normally in what they knew for a long time is is there got didn't develop normally their immune system was not normal and even their brain veld normally so there was cancelled that and then and then all these studies started to come out that real-life microbes seemed to influence how we develop and our particular take on it as we showed in terms of asthma sma how microbes influence early life and affect ultimate asthma outcome. I mean just the simple fact of how you're born. Let's pretend you're bored by C-SECTION. You have a a twenty five percent higher rate of being matic and a thirty percent higher rate of being obese just by how you stick your head out into this world and there's all these clues of antibody in life influencing many of these things including asthma obesity and other things and so over the last few years there's been numerous studies now points to the concept that early in life the microbes you get in your various first hundred days of life really for the first even hours on play a real role in how we developed as organism and this includes influencing shaping immune system which is how you can skip to see asthma and food allergies and things things this also affects brain development malnutrition we another's done studies microbes microbes effect how the brain actually develops and then also got physiology physiology and things so it's really this avalanche of data that early life really the first hundred days. It's absolutely critical for your kids to be exposed to microbes and this of course goes counter to what society says which is a clean is good cleaners better rights. We have to sterilize every bottle anthony. Anthony wiped on everything in baby wipes it. If you think of how we've evolved as a human species to back a hundred two hundred years I mean gene. We didn't have sanitary wipes and we didn't have sterilize bottles. Kids were playing in your feces bar yards and everything else and so it's really the central. Tenet is that it's really important. Your kids could expose these natural microbes and things like C. Section living really cleanly is actually hampering your child's ability exposed to these and we know that actually has adverse type outcomes not good for the kid and so that's kind of the general thoughts on the subject so I think we're realizing that a lot of isues caused by having an insufficiently diverse gut that my premium in adulthood can be traced back to diet unlike other circumstances experienced in early childhood many different types of disorders that could be linked thanks to gut health on the rise because we live in a much more. Santa's world he explain ah how the shifts sanitation revolutions wards more intense annotations affected got microbiome yeah. I think you've hit a major problem that we is facing in the You're right you want a diverse microbiome. Basically the micro bomb is all the microbes in and on you and your gut is full of there's more microbes in your gut than our human cells type thing but it's it's really ecosystem and we know with ecosystems. You want biodiversity. You want an Amazon jungle full of many different species. ABC's and ecologists will tell you that the more species diversity you have the health of the ecosystem now as we move in our society towards eating refined foods. It's a lot of white sugar a Lotta white flour basically getting away from eating a lot of the diverse foods we used to each with had lots of plant fibers the nuts and legumes type things and ironically these really microbial foods so when you're eating white sugar white flour what happens is those are digested very early early on in the digestive system before they reached microbes down on the lower. God and when you're reading you know plant fiber and things like this. These are actually microbial food literally microwave. You've got lower down so ironically were starving those microbes and then re pushing microbes towards a much less diverse type composition because it takes very few microbes rate down white sugar and white flour so what we're seeing society overall as this trend towards these very innocent simple diets where they don't have the complex carbohydrates and fibers norm of microbial foods that are broken down by microbes and so this is creating major problems and study after study showing that Komo white sugar white flour is not very good diet for microbes point of view and also humans point of view and this is really contributed to the major while the major disease probably now diabetes type two diabetes and obesity in all these other diseases that we didn't see now in our society didn't really see a hundred years ago. Is the problem really really just having a lower diversity of bacteria in the gut or is it more so in overcrowding the guts of specific species of bacteria that may not necessarily be as beneficial as some other issues. the answer is correct both of those. It's a combination of two things when you eat white sugar white flour not only decrease the diversity of microbes but you will also increase that the basically the bad microbes these things the trigger inflammation trigger adverse effects type things called bacteria. ACA trigger lots of inflammation and this inflammation is then what leads to the problems so the answer is both of the above suggest so what do you think is the solution to over sanitation. Are you literally retired so that their children yeah I mean we're thing the title of the book. We couldn't see you know I mean. Look dirt is obviously very simple. Thank income microbes that are helpful found in dirt and other things it does make a very good title and I'm not advocating actual consumption of dirt and telling telling parents that they should let their kids to get exposed to the microbes that Homo sapiens have a Volusia evolving with and so this includes things like you know birth as opposed to see section. Nice includes less hygienic conditions that we normally consider because we know those microbes that they normally encounter are really really important for the childhood development of their gut their immune system the brain many other things so I think is apparent. One wants to think of of all the childhood exposures in the context of you know. Can we expose these kids to healthy. Microbes will also mitigating the bad micro exposure that consisted sale hundred years ago so you mentioned in the book that children who grow up I would say messier environments like on a farm or with a cat or a dog in the home they would fare better than children who grew up more sterile homes especially to go spend much time outdoors so in the case of Children Dron who don't live anywhere near farm or who do not have a pet at home for whatever reason maybe there are allergies among the family members wax. Can the parents today's children to you to ensure that their children are exposed to the micro bacteria yeah. I think this is actually a remarkably large probe facing society the exposure to normal microbes that you know when you think of how we live with computer screens and we don't really get a lot of nature in in the average childhood rearing experience now so parents really need to think how to do it you know petting zoos or even going to the playground where there's grass and dirt and mining the kid put a stolen or stick in their mouths going to the country in the weekends type thing and I think the problem in every generation are you were getting cleaner and cleaner but the problem is our microbes are also getting less and less diverse and it's you know if you think how your grandparents were born as kids and raised versus how we're raised versus how your grandkids are going to be raised. I think there's major issues in terms of microbes from getting cleaner cleaner and I don't have the perfect solution but I think you know the first step is realizing these early microbes important and then the second step which are which are looting to which is more difficult while okay if they're important. How do I get my kids exposed them. I mean I think just even exposed to other kids if they're not have not flu season or cold season. This is great thing and get them that way. you know let your kid get out in the world because there are lots of microbes out there and try to pick some of them up. There is no perfect product or anything you give your kid right now that will reconstitute all these court healthy microbes. Maybe in the future but we're not there yet think really good argument. You could use to convince parents who let their kids on time. Outdoors doors get messy be exposed. She might provide microbes. is that a certain disorders of immune system can be linked to person's sounds got microbiome seeking explain a connection yeah. There's a very strong connection between the development and the microbes heavy. We never told you about c-section increases as rates as does not having a pet in the house as does taking antibiotics in the first here as does bottle fitting affording breastfeeding and what we not realizing the first three months as immune system is just starting to develop. It's really shaped by the microbes and encounters counters and if you have these quote healthy microbes it pushes immune system in sort of normal type development if you don't have these microbes and have different ones then go oh towards more allergic type immune system and then when you encounter allegiance and things like this you then trigger food allergies asthma later in life because you're immune system's more pre disposed to that so we there's lots of studies showing that early like Michael's really do influence how the new system is actually being shaped and the microbes basically the immune system which then relates to immune diseases are not immune diseases down the line as it turns out a person's gut microbiome can be influenced even before birth during the mothers pregnancies. He's at work. What are some factors can impact a fetuses microbiome and what are some things pregnant mother. Could you to help give her baby bass. Gut Microbial system possible yeah as A. It's really important point that the you know died while you're pregnant what you eat too is really important because that will shape your microbes and then when the kid is born they're Burma vaginal delivery. They will also pick up your microbes and mostly microbes inherit upon birth are from the mother so it's really important mother has good Mike Environment you're born but also so you before that when the mother has certain microbes in their gut these microbes are chewing on food and they released the metabolites that then crossed the gut barrier area and will also cross placental barrier and be circulating even in contact with the with fetus within the mother and we know that even those events seem to start to shape how the a fetus actually develops just give you one pragmatic example so let's say you're thin mother. and you're pregnant third trimester say oh yeah that can finally eat whatever I want. I just you know gain you know hundred pounds. I'm sort of thing and you gain much more weight than you should for being pregnant data well when you're gain that weight you're you're pushing your. Michael's more towards the obese tight microbe Tina type that we see socially with obesity which which is unhealthy and then when your kid is born they inherit those microbes and their that kid is a much more risk for coming obese than if you just gained the normal. Orel bounties does is as expected during pregnancy so that's one way of you know that you really should even even third trimester and stuff. You know think about what what you're reading. influence your microbes which center given onto the kid best practices. Would you recommend for expecting mothers it. Is there a certain type of diet as ideal yeah. The whole microbiome link is is is certainly there because pretty much the vast asked majority. What you eat is not broken down by you. It's broken down by microbes which then make all these molecules that that influence you I think a lot of it has has to do with what your mother told me so I mean eating. you know less red meeting a lot. More fruits nuts legumes glass red wine a day type thing the Mediterranean type died is a good one. Those kinds of diets really there. We now know the influence remarkably the the microbes in in the god of of anyone including mothers and pushing towards a much healthier type of microbiome composition so in addition to giving your kids the right nutrients which they need when they're developing which is the reason. You should live off a donuts when you're pregnant. you know you're also influenced the micro composition composition which then influenced what microbes the kid inherits and then also how the kid actually fares later in life so eat healthy when you're pregnant because it's not only you eating for. Are you eating for your fetus and and we know for a whole bunch of reason that's important are there certain types of activities that expected mother should avoid or should do you help improve the likelihood that fair baby will have a healthy microbiome lot. What an expert on that There's N- non-pregnant people there's Nice studies showing that exercise pushes microbiome two more healthy composition. I have not seen it I for data for pregnant moms what that does to their microbiome radically it all boils down to very boring stuff and that's diet and exercise he's and but the caveat is I think we can add now liberal side exercise work through basically microbial interface and they actually influenced microbial the composition we send makes you healthier in both through the microbes plus through the direct effects of cardiovascular issues with exercises. CETERA so so. I don't think there's anything specific one. I can recommend. I'm the expert in this but I think it just eating healthily and getting exercise. They will always do you well. No matter what stage alive here saying you haven't expecting mother who is unhealthy to begin with say she's obese becomes pregnant. Is there a possibility for her shoe shift. Her personal got microbiome in a way to prevent passing on obesity to your child both that I'm aware of this stage thinking mother being aware of it. She can eat healthy diet during pregnancy may may encourage the microbes microbes to shape a little bit less less obese type thing but I think you know when they went in the kid is borne you really you should think about diet. What died. Is that kid getting given the frequency obesity in our society. It's obviously big issue but there unfortunately no magic bullet now about what to do to try and try and circumvent the problem. You're talking about explain that the circumstances labor can also have a significant impact on health microbiomes ticket she elaborate on this yeah so during Labor obviously the body's undergoing major stress stress hormones etc related to it in the fetus undergoing undergoing huge stress and he gets squeezed through the birth canal type thing and stresses we know actually as again has remarkable shift on the microbiome. Keep a league very stressful lives. There microbiomes generally not very good from what we know about like compositions type thing but but then you also gotta realize birth earth is very natural process. We've been doing it ever since sweet evolved. Whatever so it's natural part of it. I think a fetus is is is is normally realizes. Developmentally this is going to happen and so they have ways of coping with it. It's just part of birth but I think stressful lifestyles the stuff that is not so healthy microbiome point of view. You've mentioned a couple times now a cease actions. I have a personal stake in this topic. It's time for me to ask a personal question. I was born a month premature actually via c-section so you've got entire section of the book dedicated to seize these actions in a C section epidemic and how being delivered sway a fax infants microbiome I remember while I was reading the section that I've actually heard about the Zia Crowell disadvantage being born via c-section before and why I I read about it. I was actually very concerned. So can you explain the difference. Ringside seats action makes sure so more by C. Section. It means that you don't acquire the vaginal microbes and also the fecal microbes of a natural birth earth and the problem with that is that those microbes really important for breaking down melk things like lactobacillus bacteria for example and so you deprive here's your kid of those those type of microbes and in return you also acquire the mumps skin microbes probably due to breastfeeding discontent contact with mum skin so the kid has a skewed microbiome off the start and what state is showing is that that doesn't guarantee but it certainly increases the risk of diseases such as asthma such as food allergies such as obesity and really increases the odds of that because you don't have the the the microbes you normally see section so now there is this new new thing. That's being studied the ideas well okay if I have to have a C. section. Ten percent of women need this okay. I'm one of those four women. What can I do to help while there's this thing called basically vaginal recalls Ation where you basically upon birth by C. Section you take a vaginal swab of and then you call an is the ears nose mouth the next kid with his swab recolonize so studies underway whether that's effective or not can't actually reconstitute the microbes just because Eddie section back to more like we don't know thus far the studies a year out says it yes you can recall an is with microbes but we're not far enough out to say. Does it decrease rates of obesity. Now's another things associated with C section. It's also very risky business because there's a a bacterial pathogen called group be streptococcus that some women carrying the vagina and if that's transferred to new more baby it can be fatal so you have to make sure that you counter that but it's very talked doc vote Nydia these little swabs and things some naturopathy using it but medically there's no data to say it works for the stage. I wanted to to know what has spurred the c-section epidemic. If you say the only ten percent women actually requires these action. Why is it that the actual percentage of women who are getting c. Sections actions is much higher. It's a combination of factors. It's if I mean some women. You know. It's very convenient nine. Am Monday morning. I can have my baby. Can you know plan my life around in its opposed to three or two in the morning. When you're sleep deprived. It's also convenient from obstetricians attrition point of view. If you have a schedule C. section versus middle of the night in some societies it's actually considered more technologically advanced. Shall we say and I really lovely. I'll case examples Brazil where they have upwards of seventy eighty ninety percent caesarian section rates and that is partly because it's cool to have a bikini scar. It's shows you're rich enough. You're GonNa Ford One and also the obstetricians in Brazil unionized and they basically saying we're not GONNA do that. Deal birth to wants to see sections so that we don't have step in the night and there's a bunch of variety reasons socially and so c sections have their place but I would say that if you don't have to have one up for vaginal birth I would encourage want to try that for all the reasons we talked about using doctors should be obligated to inform their patients of the disadvantaged putting their children acts if they choose to use these action when it's not necessary yeah that's a really good point Moulana medical ethicists. I'M NOT GONNA go there. In terms of yes or no I would hope that the obstetrician would discuss discussing if my wife and I were considering cease action realizes one of the things and that's actually bigger question even in antibiotic use so antibiotics we know caused drastic effects effects on the microbiome and should physicians be obligated discuss well. You know it's probably viral infection and antibiotic probably aren't GonNa work you you. They don't hurt can have many way we now know the act do her and so maybe those discussions should be had slept far to the bigger picture of a the consumers being educated aware of this beef physicians also discussing these issues with their patients. Would you say that patients should at the very least be informed of the possibility of using a vaginal swab to make up for the loss of microbes. WanNa see section is performed not at this stage I mean we don't have the medical evidence yet. I'm a lot of people are doing it anyway but like I said there could be potential risk with groupie strap contaminating the the newborn with this so at this stage. This is not a medically accepted practice because there's no data to say it works or doesn't work so at this stage. I think it's not up to a physician discuss these things because it's not on the table. If there was data say that this actually improved the microbes in was beneficial that of course but we're not there yet have any any studies publish were Bab- sampled poppulation people who have been born via c-section and have fallen later until adulthood to evade a connection between instances and says of asthma or other health issues and being born via c-section yeah so there's lots of studies out there showing the people born by C. Section later life have significant diseases specifically increased risk for obesity asthma food allergies and many others what we don't. I don't see differences saying in an adult microbiome we can't sample adults and say yes you were born by C. Section or not but we can go back and say who was formed by C. Section one of the rates of these diseases and there's no doubt that C section increases the rates for many of these diseases it doesn't guarantee them but it certainly shows you increase chance of getting them and that all goes back to how it does with the life microbes affecting how the immune system develops and many other parts of the body develop early in life now. I Watch watch you get into things. Parents can do to avoid doing to give their kids gut microbiome a boost after they've been born so the first the food that infants won't counter most likely. Would you say that breast milk is better than corneal and what could one day if they're not able to breastfeed. Oh yeah throat. Let them eat dirt. We have every at the end of every chapter and there's sort of helpful hints what you can do for these things. There's no doubt breast milk. Breast Milk is a wonderful substances the complex substance and for a while there you know formula was was touted outed as well. It's more sophisticated technologically advanced as better for your kid. That's not true breast milk first of all full of something kaleida which is Nancy Body. The really prevents many infections in kids for the first six months to a year of life. The kid does not have normal immune system. It has developed yet so you're relying on all all the mother's antibodies in her breast milk to prevent all the infections that the kid is exposed to in that first year but then breast milk is also full of nutrients and formula does not emulate all those nutrients that in some of the major ones but not all of them and it turns out that breast milk is actually a very good food food for microbes and a lot of the breast milk components are not broken down by the kid but that broken down by the microbes that actually come from the woman's. Vagina that dissolve things like lack of bacillus than than between breakdown these milk products which then feeds the kids more energy so ironically when you're you know breastfeeding or giving breastmilk to kids you're actually feeding a lot of the microbes than official microbes then actually help to then help the kids grow and forming the in has some of these components but there there is no formula that they're south of the compounds abreast Melcan and way less than that in formula so formulas is in essence a poor substitute do now if you can't breastfeed obviously there's issues they have mastitis or something and don't have the milk supply there are ways of increasing the child's microbiome survived them probiotics painted on the mother's nipple and other examples of this the tryon and increase the the kids microbiome in that sense the beyond breast milk or formula what kinds of foods that should be given to a child when we are able to eat different types of food to help boost their gut for yes so the first four months of life for so is your strictly breast milk and then you start to transition a solid foods in the L. Four to seven month range and at that time you have to remember the gut to still very permeable so you only want to give him small amounts of solid food that is also given with breast milk supplements opponents and but you should start introducing them to all the foods that the kids will be exposed later in life you give little bits of these types of foods because what that does is that Sir Taller polarized in the Cantonese fluids. They'll see later in life and you know bu about seven months. The guy is starting to really see a lot and you can really start to increase the solid foods and often by year. Kids are off breath smell come and beyond that it's really up to the mother. She wants to keep breastfeeding along the solid foods so for a long time. It was respected food allergies. You were supposed to avoid all allergic. Potential food eggs anything else peanut. Anything else is good by getting exposed exposed to the idea that don't expose them so they can't develop allergies later in life. That's now being completely debunked mainly cousin Israel to give kids these candy candy bars that are basically peanut based components early in life and realize these kids didn't get peanut allergies and so ironically the tables or one eighty ninety he is to introduce allergic foods early in life starting at four months type things and small amounts and get them into the kid so the kid can realize yeah. That's normal immune. My Immune System's quite happy with this so when they start eating you know peanuts later in life or whatever that's normal and don't react to them so any other reason you wanna start early as later if you wait until if you start before for months the guts not healed up or sealed up so it it'll go right through may trigger allergic reactions in wait till L. after seven months is kids starting pretty big and they can eat a big big helping of it and so it's not that you don't get to high dose initially. If you just start at seven months might trigger allergic reactions is there so four to seven months is Golden starting to do sing along with breast milk L. Small small pieces are components of the regular foods to get the kid used to the idea. The this is what you're gonNA see the rest of your life. It seems like exposure is the key or lack thereof is key here so to avoid a child developing all bank severe allergies new types of food or other substances. They should expose them quite early alive and to avoid development of immune disorders children's should be exposed to environments that contain different types of Acharya said well the general concept absolutely so. I like to talk about probiotics now the mentioned quite a lot throughout the book. Most people are pretty familiar with the concept of provide EXPI- at this point so can you tell us what exactly provide X. are. What do they consist of. Yeah I mean we hear a lot about probiotics. What the actual definition Ariza there live microbes so these alive bacteria or yeast and they supposedly have some defined health doc benefit and they do no harm so really these are just microbe you take in large numbers you ingest they're using it should be alive and then you take these things and I do have some facts and the biggest problem with probiotics is they're not regulated like standard medicines so so there's a variety of writing on the market overwhelming number actually but they don't have to make these clinical criteria you have to do with drugs so so they have mixed result in terms how much they work and there's no doubt some products worked for some things but because of the large numbers I'm not all probiotics work and some were better than others for different things around. There's so if you're thinking of using robotics it's overwhelming if you want her to health with stories see this these shells shell volleys probiotics and analogize like to use. It's kind of like meeting. New pair runners you go to a sporting goods store and you you walk up to the wall and there's runners. There's court shoes and basketball shoes. Nike Shoes Neo described nearest parents. You're done and the best way to deal with probiotics addicts. There's a wonderful site called product chart dot. CA is also and other states just Google probiotic charts and in his chart it lists all the products are available well and it also lists what the microbes are how to store them. What the doses are by most importantly it lists based on different diseases. What is the clinical evidence the actually actually work so some products worked for anybody diarrhea so more for Eczema some work for as East that works for C. Difficile and and it tells you what the level of clinical evidence is with the gold standard being I'm double blind placebo controlled trials and some have gone through this so oh careful with probiotics but the other things but what probiotics is their their come bacteria on the UC lactobacillus which is normally vaginal microbe crab microbe or Bifida backer which is often found breastmilk and so they're not normal happen to the gut so they do when you swallow them it. They don't then tight. Take up residence in the gut. They basically get flushed through and that's why you need to take them a large numbers every day because really they're being flushed through sleigh. Don't displace all the microbes there and so that's another disadvantage the on the bright side of things I think we're GONNA see amazing. New Combinations combinations of microbes like ten twelve gather from the got therefore the gut and when you put this community and it will take residence and actually do some defined biochemical. Oh put what the Wad with how to find health benefits so I see probiotics being very early stages. There's a lot of people starting to work on. All these new microbes were finding as part of microbiome title and using these as more intelligent robotics will actually I think they will have some some really good clinical use in the future something you often hear here mentioned along the probiotics is a pre biotic. Foods types of foods are meant to help probiotic bacteria flourish in the gut my understanding of them there. Could you elaborate for us and how biotic and probiotics are connected yeah so that we're going to begin with three three terms. There's probiotics which relied bacteria as prebiotics which are as you say. These are micro bill foods use sugar such as annual on and complex carbohydrates. What's that are designed to feed certain microbes Mike. The probiotic and then there's the new concept while you feed the micro man the food the skull the symbiotic now aw prebiotics really neat that you can actually see these microbes of slack for certain types. The problem with prebiotics is thus far. We don't have enough good clinical evidence that is to say whether they really work or not. My guess is they probably do because it just makes sense. You're feeding the right microbes. They will then grow up but if you're looking at just this critically at clinical evidence there is not enough clinical evidence right now to say anything clinically about prebiotics. The other thing about prebiotics is you're giving food but that food is going to be micro food for not just the probiotic microbe food for other microbes too so it's not specifically a particular type of food that only one bacterium bacterium can eat and so it will also feed others so there's again a lot of hope in the future that we can design microbe foods. It's really like a diet where eat lots of fiber to enrich rich for good microbes right now. It's still early days in his no clinical data for civilian no at this point. If there's facific types of foods we could eat to to help increase the population of beneficial bacteria in our gut. What's a different question. That's another pre body question. That's really die question and I think the answer to die is yes. Yes we certainly know what are good diets. What art and there's a basically it's what your mother told? You should eat so this. is you know fruits nuts. What's legumes your salad. The complex plants stay away from copious quantities of red meat. avoid white sugar white flour type things and the reason do that if he'd a lot of white sugar white flour. It's already broken down to your body absorbs that very high up in intestinal track in the small intestine and never reaches down to the large intestine where the microbes all live and so in essence. You actually started your microbes. When you're eating chomping on a piece of celery or something that's it's all complex fibers silos and things and that actually doesn't get broken down by US goes all the way down into your large bowel and there it hits these teaming numbers of microbes the chew way on all these complex carbohydrates and that's your feed your microbes that way and that it's actually very beneficial for you so when it comes to bacteria not living the gut is more diverse we always better or other specific. Types of bacteria are especially known to be beneficial algorithm the ones that you've mentioned so far yeah that that's a really good question. What are the good bacteria in my gut and how can I get them. Promote them type thing there are some thought to be quite beneficial have complex named like Akra Manson things but we really we're not very good at saying what Kalki here's these three microbes and have them. I'm GonNa be you know the next triathlete of the world type thing. They're wonderful. we're not very a good at that yet. in answer to your diversity question the answer is yes. I mean the God is an ecosystem and as you know diverse ecosystems so much healthier than you. L. Swallow numbers species well no the Amazon rainforest. It's so good as ecosystem because there's so many diverse species in there and the same holds true with the gut generally speaking the more diverse your microbes and got the better off. You're going to be and that also relieved back to diet is more varied diet. You eat more microbes. You're gonNA select and that actually promote protesters versus which promotes health and that sounds do you think at some point in the future we'll be able to come up with a kind of recipe consisting of the fast species of Factoria for a healthy gut I think there's a lot of people working towards this. I don't think it's yes or no I mean I think we'll I mean there's already. There's a company called day to dot com that basically will analyze your feces and say that based on your microbes. Hab Bob we can predict which foods that you eat which Cause Glucose Spike Cer- bad for obesity diabetes versus not and so really this is kind of like a personalized dia. Hi is now the other thing too members every single person's microbes are different than anyone else's. Each of us has unique. There is no microbe that is conserved in all people so so it's GonNa vary and that also explains why some people can eat lots of different kinds of foods not gain weight. Others can't for example so so it's GonNa take a bit of a personalized medicine approach. I think to actually get good. Microbes good and bad ones right now. We don't have that knowledge so we're left with the just you know eat a healthy diet and exercise -ironically that you're really good microbes. I'm no matter what your composition is. How is it that each person could could have a completely unique microbial ecosystem if you stay at a particular population people say in North America of one eats more or less asked the same types of foods yeah that that that's a great point. we know that the microbes in say. North Americans are different than the microbes Crompton China presumably because of different diets things but the microbes in you are most closely related to other people that inhabit that house with you so it could be a spouse sir kids and they're not as close as your twin. Brother sister lives on the other side of the globe. That's because it's all environment dictate participated in. We're actually aren't any host genes that really define which microbes you have now the other way to think of it well. If we know biology that important things are conserved and if you believe what I'm trying to say that microbes important whiner. We have these different microbes in Asia. Should we just have this good set of microbes Madan with it and what I tell people is to don't think of the microbes things think of the duties and the jobs they're doing and let's pretend you need these ten thousand genes scenes from these all any microbe express in the gut to do these functions it really does matter which microbial codes as long as the job gets done and so when you start to think like that and it it there is a defined set of of of of basic microbial products you need in the gut and it doesn't really matter which micro codes it so that's why you and I can have very different microbes hit. Our microbes doing very similar things in terms of digesting the food and stuff on the complete flipside probiotics. We've mentioned a few times throughout this interview trivial. Righty is antibiotics should he fight action in the book that describes the Antibiotic Epidemic because you tell us about this warranty warranty tail. Yes so antibiotics really chemicals drugs that killed microbes. Andy's against and biotic is is lifestyle and kill things against life is where they've come from and I think arguably they were probably the biggest medical breakthrough in the last century. I mean they save countless. US lives when they came online about warlord to normally if a person had an infection back preview antibiotics may times you dive that infection now all you taking antibiotics and you're cured and it just miracle drugs and they were God sent Madison. You cannot have surgeries without getting infections. You can treat all these what would normally lethal diseases send you you would then just take anybody five so that's great but what antibiotics don't do is kill a particular micro. They kill lots of microbes they really they just carpet bomb them the the microbes and so are what happens when you take an antibiotic because you yes you might kill the infectious agent but you also wipe out many many many other bacteria and this has consequences. Many women say we'll take an antibiotic for one thing and they get a urinary tract infection as a secondary result salt because the antibiotic wiped all the good microbes in urinary tract and so then they actually get other pathogens caused in disease so like all things they're good is good as good. Let us have more make an we've been using antibiotics like crazy in the last while the average American kid gets up to ten the courses of antibiotics before they even get to school and the problem with that is that you're affecting the microbes each time use antibiotics we also historically used antibiotics. Botox Nagara culture and until recently about eighty percent of all antibiotic use was negative ultras grow supplements so we're dumping these millions of tons of these antibiotics in the agricultural foods and things which of course leeches environment and of course we then get resistance and we all get antibiotic shifts of the microbes in us so my my bottom line take antibiotics is that if you have a late life threatening infection antibiotics going to work absolutely they'll save your life. No questions asked whatsoever. If you have a child go to maybe viral ear infection and screaming and the doctor says well that's way today to let's see what happens. Don't insist antibiotics. They have their reasons because most ear many air factions are caused by viruses instead of bacteria antibiotics not going to work on it so we need to prudently use antibiotics both because excessive use causes increased resistance but also more recently. We've seen excessive. Use also affects antibiotics so taking antibiotics in life has been shown to be associated with increased amounts of depression and anxiety for example because it seems to affect microbes Nazi death the fact that brain their their speed associated with obesity and asthma or do life antibiotics. Kids have a very detrimental effect on both asthma on obesity and that probably biggest risk factor fills diseases because you're altering your microbes do the antibiotics so use it wisely. If that's a affection they working game Use It but don't use them indiscriminately. Do you think there's a possibility of ever producing targeted antibiotic. There's a lot of talk with a lot of hope many here listeners will of her crisper which is cool new gene technologist supposing gwen at target a particular gene in a particular other organisms such as a microbe. That's not been proven to work. Ideally yes okay you. You have affection go to the hospital. Take your blood out a sequence it so you've got this particular. Microorganism were just GonNa add this thing to nuke it out. Leave everything else the same thus far. That's future and we have. We're not there a yet crisper may work. I don't know yet. It really has been shown either way. it would be the dream because then weekly all other normal microbes in their place and we can just take nasty went out and that's wonderful but it's still a dream right now. Okay let's move onto disorders and diseases that can be linked linked to microbiome some talking about obesity diabetes seal lack disease obvious asthma. Asthma allergies list goes on How is it that there is so many different types very different very different types of these health issues that are associated with the gut a standing joke number iker bomb field. What isn't associated with microbes so all the lists? You're listing are what you might it call. Industrial developed country type diseases that we didn't see hundred years ago you know when it affects the king of diseases and each those diseases what you could show the people with those diseases their microchip different than people that don't have those disease despotic that doesn't say okay. The microbes are causing the disease. Just says there's correlation but more more we started to realize that yes indeed. Microbes are influenced disease. We can pick a few say for example as Ma are working. Others are shown really the early life microbes influence how the immune system develops adding pushy to be allergic asthmatic or not because of which microbes and that seems to have a role near the life three month old microbes they have can affect whether or not you have asthma at age five because it shakes out the immune system develop obesity field act got started a long time ago when people realize they could do fecal transfers from fat or A. Bee's mouse into a thin mouse that thin mouse within gin gain weight and get fat works the other way round two in mouse into fat mouse decreases wait type things and it seems that people are animals that have the obese he's seen type their microbrewery credibly efficient and generating more energy for for per unit input of food whereas ironically thin people there are actually not all that good generating energy and excess energy of course could lead to obesity another really goodwin to think about his cardiovascular disease so that's heart it attacks and strokes and one would normally never think that microbes are involved in this but last year's turns out that we're wrong again they actually we are because when you eat red meat component red meat called. Choline is broken down into molecule called. TMA and by the microbes in your God God and then the body then modifies teammates something called teammate. Yo and t me Oh is the molecule that causes atherosclerosis which is basically hard in the arteries arteries which leads to heart attacks Nevada your strokes if it's in the brain so if you take mice that have no microbes in them he convened was much red meat as one thing never ever will get atherosclerosis they avenge. Vegetarians have very low rates of atherosclerosis and probably the most exciting things coming along the only in my so far though though is if you block the microbes enzyme that do that first step the coaling into trimethyl Nin. TMA that if you block that first step you you actually block atherosclerosis so you could see where this could go in the future is you can actually take enzymes that drug the bugs and so if you do eat red meat or whatever you could actually prevent the formation of Atherosclerosis just by blocking drugs hands-on so the list goes on and on about diseases and there's many many different ways these microbes work. There's lots of neat stuff on the gut brain axis how the micro housing that we don't know a lot mechanistically yet how that all works but the data is is there. It's very convincing that micros play roles on this and so a scientist really our challenge is to figure out how all this works and how the microbes are doing this but glad I think you could pretty much pick any Western society disease. You look around you see all the time and ironically just what always associated with microbes. I think many people would actually be very surprised to learn that the GUT microbiome is associated with mental health via the gut brain access. You've just mentioned two things like have depression anxiety. ADHD have a connection to the state of a person's gut bacteria. He explained how is Gut Brain Connection Works I can't explain how it works but I can tell you. What you've said is true? there was a really nice studied. UK where they looked at millions and millions of antibiotic prescriptions and there's a direct correlation with more courses of antibiotics for anxiety and depression which of course are antibiotics microbes talked about if you take a depressed depressed anxious or stressed mouse or rat into fecal transfer into normal also rat you transfer anxiety depression or stress just in the contents of the feces doing it that way so there's lots of all these analogies and also Parkinson's. There's amazing data about noon talk about later but how microbes effected did and but the problem is you ask me. Can I tell you how that works. I can't and hoping anyone can yet we know microbes evolved and if you take say most that is doesn't have any microbes in germ-free mouse. Their brains do not develop normally tall. They need Microsoft. The brains develop so this is really the frontier scientists now is trying to if figure out how on Earth Gut microbes can influence all the mental disorders that we seem to see in our society but we don't know code worship since we haven't figured out the mechanism yet. How do we know for certain actually is a direct connection between the got in the brain. Well we know there is a direct connection. let's talk about. Parkinson's because there's another area that our lab is working on a fair bit about and so when I say Parkinson's you you think of of a brain disease in elderly people usually with the tremor in the stooped walk. I'm type things and it's associated with basically be destruction of a piece of the brain that makes dopamine which is basically neurotransmitter so everyone thought of the brain disease well a few years ago in Denmark. They're looking at people that had the vegas nerve cut. This is a nerve that goes from the gut to the brain and the reason they were cutting that is the people with ulcers back then it was a treatment caused does the a decrease in the pain so they had all these people that have had this nerve the gut brain you're cut and what they noticed when they went back many years later is that those people have the nerve cod and they had way less levels of Parkinson's and I think we all said what what what is cutting the gut brain axis have to do with part of the brain disease and of course few people believe that study while it's being done twice more and multiple numbers of people's answers deathly. If you cut the nerve you have decreased rates of Parkinson's now. When you take a look partisans about twenty years before you get the brain disease the number one indicator you're heading that way is constipation which is a got issue obviously and the biggest risk factor for Parkinson's is red meat which is eaten and got and for the coffee lovers listeners? I got great news coffees actually about twenty percent protective for Parkinson's because coffee keeps you motta in the morning so then the other thing thing that's now come along as there's no fifteen studies showing the people with Parkinson's have very different microbes in their gut normal people and we can actually take a fecal sample from a person tell whether Parkinson's not just by looking Gut microbes and probably the best evidence we have proving it so far is that if you take a mouse model of Parkinson's and you take feces from a person with Parkinson's or their spouse doesn't have it and put those feces into these mice the Parkinson's feces causes massive park symptoms symptoms whereas the normal people's feces does not which is pretty scary sense so I think that that the field is now thinking that while really a gut microbes twenty years before you see Parkinson's in the gut screwed up and they affect basically they trigger vents in the gut that then go up to the Vegas nerve into the brain and ultimate presents is brain disease but it actually started got a more. Ha's Yvonne Netflix well. My favorite section of the book is actually the very last one where the possibility of using missile treat diseases or disorders is discuss and fecal transplants are mentioned. Everyone loves transplant. So what do you see for for the future of treating health issues in young children as specifically with probiotics yeah. I think there's a bright future that I can see the day when the kid is board hopefully vaginal eight but if not see Saxony well Dan secret the kids microbial at the same time they'll be sequencing kid's genome and say L. Look you're missing these particular microbes remote race for Obese Your House or something we're going to give you this collection of microbes in this pill or painted on the mother's breast or Hover Aristo there put it on in the breast milk and feed it to the kid to then try and correct those microbes so that's GonNa be the first way and I think as a kid it goes along. You'll be monitoring the kid that these different times and seeing what's happening. Oh no you're microbes are going more towards the risk of obesity or something then hopefully hopefully we need to modify that to fix it. These will be the products that we know of today. These will be new ones. I'm we're actually working on a mix of microbes crops. We can use to prevent asthma in kids. Don't have the right microbes. They had antibiotics or c-section type thing so I think we're GONNA see a whole new generation of these his combination of microbes that will be used based on sampling the kid microbiomes. Ao You really missing these things we should add these back. It'll make you you healthier in terms of actually treating diseases once you have them. I don't know they'll be as effective the more effective in giving you microbe soon get the diseases in the first place. which is I think better medicine? Anyway net must sounds very promising to me so your book let them eat. It was published a few years ago now. There is a documentary available that space in the book. It's called let them eat jerks the hunt for our kids missing microbes so tell us about the documentary yeah. This is a very exciting project what to finish the book ice or stock talking young mothers and I don't think any dengue mother has the time to read entire book with a new board and things so I thought walk get information to these mothers faster so I went on a on on a crusade really raised a lot of money to actually pay for that. They're quite expensive to make a full night when our documentary done with the producers the US and it's just starting to come on now we're having screenings and in negotiation pretty distributes to make it available and you can see trailer of the movie at let them eat dirt dot COM and I would urge listeners the WanNa see this it will be coming out soon soon and and it's all the things we've talked about but done in an easy format as a documentary and see how some people can understand what we're trying to say and we'll also have piece of the documentary hopefully on the web. If you have to take antibiotics what can you do and we discussed that documentary or outdoorsy section or what is a fecal transfer transfer type thing and these are also all about it in the documentary so it's just another way of getting information. We've been talking about the last all there's been a question on my mind signed up from the beginning of our interview and that's why it's why is it that there's just such a small window of time very early in life which has the greatest impact on our gut health you know an infant has no control over what they're fed or how they're giving birth to as adults we can develop our understanding of our gut health and we're much better able to change her diet and other aspects of our lifestyle according to that knowledge. Is there a possibility to ever reverse rehearsed effects of a poor gut health porchet health in adopted. Yes absolutely I think. The expression is what is the best time to plant an oak tree thirty years years ago when next pastime now so the time of life when microbes seemed to have the most influence as what a book of life early life the first hundred thousand today's and then later in life but that's not say that all during those other time of life. Mike goes don't play a role and once I finished. Let them eat dirt. I actually he wrote a second book. It's called the whole body microbiome and I wrote this. My daughter WHO's jared Titian and the ideas so many people say well. I've had my kids what about me. What can I do and so. That's what the whole body micro was all about. It's really to try and go through all the different areas that we know that microbes affect adult wife wife and what you can do in terms of healthy living and promote your own health so let them eat dirt his for really young kids but then for the rest of us. That aren't aren't kids anymore. We wrote that one and it's really quite remarkable. All the different things you can do to shape your microbes everything on your skin to urinate tracked attract in the Gods to actually promote general health aware listeners go to get your books. Let them eat dirt and the whole body microbiome they're all over the Web Amazon anywhere of your favorite places. There's audio versions out. Let them eat fruits actually now in fourteen fifteen languages and so just just google it might think I'd let them eat your dot com. We list where you can also buy them for that book and whole body microbiologist served that it's it's a on anyone that cares about their health and wants to vote their health through their microbes both looks directly address that and they're written lay person language. They're not the Mike and Biologists even though I am biologist written understand him and most importantly we tried to fill them with as much practical information we could that's based on current science right so we refused spike publish wanting to say these outrageous things anything say in there it's based on the scientific evidence that we can find scientists and related to the reader so oh yeah. I would encourage people to have a look at the thank you so much for your time factor in line absolutely pleasure. Thank you very much. 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The Man Who Defies What's Possible

The goop Podcast

44:03 min | 1 year ago

The Man Who Defies What's Possible

"You're listening to the podcast made possible by our friends at blue diamond. We're big snacker is around the office. You know, the drill three o'clock rolls around. And you find yourself reaching for whatever is lying around striking distance last resort snacking, as it turns out, usually isn't all that satisfying. Which is why we decided to give our snack drawers makeover. And stock them at the blue diamond whole, natural almonds. I go for hamels before meetings often multiple handfuls, if I'm honest because they're that good between the fat and minerals and blue diamonds non-parole supreme almonds. They're significantly healthier than popping candy or chips throughout the day. And they actually tide me over until dinnertime head over to dot com. For some recipes made with blue diamond whole, natural almonds. Hi again, thanks for joining us. If this is your first time, here's what you can expect every Thursday and a bunch of Tuesday's coming up. Coop. Editors we'll be sitting down with thought leaders who are pushing boundaries in their fields. We'll talk to doctors creatives CEO's and relationship experts. You'll hear me interviewing some of the people I admire most in this world, and you'll also hear a lot from my chief content officer at goop alise loon. I love listening to his interviews because she asked the smartest questions and really just lessons today. Lisa sitting down with Wim Hof, you might know whim as the Ice, Man. He's done some wild things and hold more than twenty world records. He can hold himself in ice water for nearly two hours with an elevated body temperature. He climbed to an insane height on Mount Everest in shorts and no shirt. He's taken groups of ill people up. Kilimanjaro in two days rather than the requisite six and they were in shorts. Wim ran a half marathon barefoot above the Arctic circle. He also ran a foam marathon in the desert without drinking any water. He led a group of scientists shoot him full of endotoxins, and he didn't have an immune response. Why you might ask win believes that our bodies are capable of doing extraordinary things, and he's really curious about just how much control we have over them. We are now able to into the deepest part of the brain shown, and if we are able to go into deepest part where else can we go? We can go in any part of the brain at command at will. And nobody wants to feel bad everybody. If everybody is able to become say happy. What else do you want today, he talks to a lease about his breathing method? And how nearly anyone. Can apply it to their life? Even if you're not running a marathon in the desert. Now, let's get to a lease and win the soul. I'm into the signs of the so so is part of the brain, which we we have difficulties to enter in spirituality timelessness experience deep experience that access since we have never been schooled into who. We are serving in this activist science and stressful system, and we become like it. And for what where's the was the sole? Whereas the happiness was the strength. Where's the health Kevin teed? Where's the love? And the emotion the depth of our experience, it's pasta time. And so we will dick together into officially our DNA our brain we have been doing so much signs up till now, but India. I just wanna prove we disol-. We are love we are emotion. And that's who we are what we are for that. I'm here to talk with you. And to dig it out and to spell it out and bring it to so many who are wanting everybody wants to so and we're energy, right? It's so interesting because you yourself sort of defy what has been defined as possible. Right. And it seems I know you talk a lot about this. And we talk a lot about it. I it's like what we know is so small probably compared to like what there is now. And yet we define ourselves by what is known, right. And so I think about what you've accomplished which is incomprehensible. I mean, we're talking to people outside before we started and you're explaining that you have run marathon. You mean, you completed a marathon and shorts with no training at the age of fifty above the Arctic circle. Yes. And then in the in the desert without drinking without drinking you set an ice water. No training prior right? Almost two hours you climb mount killing majora with the group of people who you trained who were sick or somewhere things into diseases cancer, asthma, depression, all those things I ask for motivation. If people are motivated, they are able to lift himself beyond their mental conditioning the way, they think the paradigm whatever it is. We are so much more capable of doing than what we think. And I'm here to talk about it. Yeah. And to bring it from the foundation of scientific research were in we have shown that the power of the mind, sadly is able to be accessed by showing it in brain scans seemingly inaccessible areas of. Brain told of not being accessible by humans nowadays. So me, a robustly activating the brain stem, the primitive brain survival brain and bringing up opioid cabinet way twelve being exposed to cold, and they thought at will you cannot do that. Now, I'm able to deal with that stress with that cold, but he is also stress emotion can be stressed daily stress is stress all those things we don't know how to tap into the depth of the brain and make it. Nice. Make it. Okay. Bring up decant have annoyed. Fork hormones bring up the opioid feel no pain being demoss ter- by our mind over our body. We lost that. And here. I am showing that this is not. Based on speculation. This is not philosophy. This is pure brain scans showing it and blot proof samples like six years ago. I was sure Imai self through my believes through my being so much extreme nature outside having the confidence to do things seemingly impossible climbing to Mount Everest on Mount Everest in shorts and losing yourself. Wideout at twenty thousand feet and feeling great is something remarkable. I get an identical twin twin brother who's not capable of doing it. It's only proving the point that through exercising and willful training. We are able to become a so much more than what we think. And even more signs is stating so science sexiest ago was unanimously. Vinced at the autonomic nervous system. Cannot be influenced at will by Uman's. So cannot the endocrine system the hormonal system so cannot the innate immune system. And then I said, no we can. And then I showed it. I me myself. But I am known as the Ice, Man. Twenty six wool records and all that much stuff at sea tra-. No, I went into nature, and I found myself into depth and adapt his learning how to let go six years ago, I came in contact with these professors and our toll to we are able to get into the atomic notices them into the end of cream system into immune system. Deep far deeper than signs stating so they inject it me with their bacteria, and I could resist that in a contrary to sixteen th. Thousand people who could not so then suddenly one hundred percent match score. And then I said, yeah, they they told me you is manned. You are the exception that confirms the rule I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, everybody halt, the capacity to have control deeply against within the immune system to fight off bacteria virus with that inflammation. And I said at challenge them give me a group of people, and you got sixteen thousand hundred and thirty four people who were not capable and then I showed up I show a data. I'm capable of resisting bacteria reaction on the immune system and control the inflammation within a quarter of our I've shown, and I will make these people eighteen people within a quota of our also capable to be inflammation onto immune. System. And with that we bring solutions that we are actually able to handle the cost of any disease. So they shot full of endotoxins and found people who are willing to do. Yes. Oh, no. They loved it. Because I got sort of a name is challenging because part of the crazy research been sat up or climbing in mountain in shorts, and they had no prior to this. It's old stories in their mindset while I live in the Netherlands, which is about ten hours drive from Poland. And there are the mountains in the mount is really cold. So I wanted to train the people into cold this power of my method and two. Yeah. Worked the thing is I can't talk while we drove our little wide van a second hand through Germany and everything. To poland. And I talked to him and after six hours a hat. I reached their mind their belief system. And I I told him right over there. You can feel when you reach somebody within their beliefs that's common sands and its tribal its primordial Suprematist, but stat and you can feel it. It's no philosophy. It's damn boom. I told him I guys you guys going to win the greatest war ever of the most casualties and most of misery. You guys are going to be gladiators. We are going to fight a war that cost all the misery in in the past the war on bacteria and virus, and you are going to show the world, and with that change the signs that we are in-command over inflammation, which is the course off disease and. Understood it four days later without form experience into cold. They were going up to mountain an inch short at minus ten Santa great, which is freezing freezing far below. And then Optima tune to top five hours to the total span of time, minus twenty seven on top we danced Harlem, shake, and then I knew it was funny, but it was all too serious because four days later, they had to be injected, and Dan showing in scientific environment that we beyond speculation that this is going to change signs, and it did they all had hundred percent school after sixteen thousand hundred and thirty four people with the same and tuxedo experiment. Subtly twelve people randomly chosen from eighteen. I had a trained. They had hundred percent school within. A quarter of our over. The flammable remarks boom said, no fever. No chills. No reaction. Exactly. No, inflammation, inflammation that made them. They looked into to hormonal system of them, and they were like commanding the hormonal system to to do what ever they needed to feel good while a bacteria going on you feel bad, and they just commanded data into the hormonal system in the depth of the Endo Kriens says system told off not accessible for humans and now it's their right? And the auto Nommik nervous system is essentially it's like everything that your body does autumn right? Like, your heart. Beets. Your adrenalin bursts. When you are being chased by a bear. Yes. You're you breeze. Those are things that theoretically are automatic outside of our control even though like you think about aborigines in Australia who can will them. Selves like they can will their hearts stopped beating right, theoretically, like their pockets of people throughout the world like to mow meditation, which I know you didn't learn, but it's similar right? Like nuns can warm their bodies to such a degree that they dry freezing clothing. Is that right sheets? She yes, wet it's freezing. And they are able to dry clothes. Yeah. Which is so wild it towards us wild. Yeah. But what I think is even more wild is if you know DOE secrets, and you see so much suffering. Yeah. Then help them with the secrets and throw it open. They didn't. So I went into the cold. And I did about twenty six we'll records exposing myself to extremes. And then get the attention of the scientists and done show beyond any speculation that we are able to commend that. What make? Us able to guarantee. Happiness -tracting health where do you think that the self limiting beliefs come from? Because obviously, we know we can get smarter, right? We push ourselves to grow. Intellectually? We push ourselves to become physically stronger. Why what where does it come from the this belief that we can't be super human or that that we cannot? Yeah. Oh, yes. This is hundreds of years of comfort zone behavior, which conditions the mind and becomes a profane. And then suddenly you're not able to not even excess in the fool fullest of your own brain. And that is what it is. It's common knowledge that we only are able to control twenty percent of our brain. I say, and I tell you now it's hundred percent. The last study I did and has been published in neuro image. It shows that I commend through just a thought my body temperature not to go down while being exposed to gold. What where normally older tests object so show a direct decline of the skin temperature and Dan going up when it is warm again going down when it's cold cold for an hour, and what I did was accessing. Absolutely India, none of make part of the brain this case, the brain stem and the. A G Periodico, Dr gray Amazon is hormonal area the pharmacy of ours. Fool of and the cannabinoid and opiates, and I showed the primacy of the brain over the body by just a thought, and we lost that control. And if you lose that control, you lose confidence, you don't know what you you love your children. But how can you guarantee them to have control within their own brain to have primacy from the brain of from their head their consciousness down when you cannot guarantee their health their happiness and their strength. We lost it. And I tell you we got him. We got him now. And but it is still number one here, and they say once again, you are the is man, you are the exception that confirms the rule and it's bullshit. Everybody is able to guarantee is fellow is friend is man is women as child happiness strengthened held which consists is composed by the hormonal system and immune system controlled to will. And so how much of what how much of what you're able to do is controlled by your mind. Versus is at this point on a Matic, like do you when you're about to be shot full of endotoxins? Are you sending your body the thought of like don't have an immune response? Or is that your body are you so completely so whole so reconciled. Really? Eliza. It's really not mystical. Very simple. You just begin to Bree. Do you techniques we of developed I've developed he stuck Niks by going into ice water. I was a search of the soul in my life. And I did all kinds of as if Terry disciplines and all I came across the cold water and cold water directly attacked, let me feel consciousness of in depth. Oh for myself because it has to work with ice water, and then debris breath is following is following because the breath changes the chemistry which you need to change within to oppose the impact of the extreme cold. So and it did. And then I took it apart. Those breathing techniques at home, I so all the lights beautiful things. Beautiful emotions. It's amazing that depth of myself. I could reach in opening up by just following debris. Into depth. And then I began to manipulate these breathing make breathing techniques out of them. And that's what I taught this group of people in this competitive study, and they were all able with inequality of our just following these breathing techniques. What is it thirty times breathing guys? It's a deeply in letting go deeply in letting go just go deeply within all sales gives them the nutrients, then the immune system subtly becomes in connection with the brain's neural Aji, and it you don't want to be sick. You know, you sent the messages you. I don't want to be sick gets hormones on adrenaline. And a reset buddy because something wrong inside my body. It happens and it happened over there. So we can go into the complexity of the physiology of the DNA and. And the way it works with specific immune system into the bone marrow into the T cells in the bee's outs. And what we always say is just breath, deeply breathing. It's your the whim Hof method is breathing. It's cold water bass ice bath swimming in the Amsterdam canal. What have you and then obviously do numerology of the brain and desire to do it. Commitment exam believes that you're capable of anything. Yes. And then why cold I read your book and your co writer, he sort of describes this moment in India where you're standing underneath a waterfall cold water. And you had was it a mystical experience. If something happens out of anything, you have ever experienced, its mystical. It's mystical. I it's funny to be sitting here with you. Because I grew up in Montana and the cold, I was a competitive skier. I managed to frostbite my feet, I'm terrified of the cold. I'm a chronic hyperventilation. I'm probably the perfect even though I like the idea of having to focus on. Right here right now like in a in two and a half minutes. You will experience the depth which will also read up to your toes. And this is what it does. Stop my coal to hose. Yeah. It's funny in your book, essentially, you sort of described. You describe me as sort of the perfect Merson to intervene on because now, it's funny. I have such I have an aversion to cold now that I live in California, and I have an aversion to breathing ironically. Because the more I think about it the more anxious that makes me. But first, let's talk about the the I guess, it's not a meth. But you know, there's always the joke like you move somewhere, warm and the cold is more. It's worse. Right. It feels worse. And you sort of explain that the coal by taking cold water bath by swimming in the cold by exposing yourself. You're actually almost giving your blood vessels, a workout. Can you explain with? That means we are doing right now is study in San Francisco with hundred forty women up researches into wilted under D N A, and we use Hormats stress hormone stresses coach our hormetic stresses controlled hypoc sick breathing of what we do. We make body alkaline and subtly this hormetic stress is still stressed, but it is positive stress. It makes we take consciously a little bit of. Stress and that activates the body to work to optimized physicality both in the brain everywhere in all cells. And it shows now that it is. So so the cold is not about toughness cold is. He way to get to have hormetic stress, and it a activate our physicality in the cells in south by eulogy to go to the mode, the utmost functionality, and therefore what will I it's not about toughness toughness. It's like a shocking experience in the cold is no good. We say gradual cold exposure. And if you know that the end goal is going to be a great like the the investment is by far the outcome. And you're going to benefit a whole lot by taking gradual colder explosion like, you, take shower, and is and well, then thirty seconds you turn into cold you bodies, very capable of taking with that comes to process, and what is the process divest? I call it. A vascular fitness. We are composed with three times the world gone around distance in capillaries, arteries and veins, and they all have millions of little muscles. That is to get the blood flow through and events killer training, I call it. The Paschal fitness actually is a culture HOA Koelsch. Our day keeps the doctor away. That's kind of nice. But really is you know, the the killer number one in in the whole west is cardiovascular related because of the poor quality of condition of a slow a slowing down of these muscles who are not optimized and a heart needs to pump and compensate for the loss of these three times the world distance within us dust, and then the these cells don't get enough nutrients, minerals and oxygen because. It's too slow and too much. Cortisol comes in because the heart is beating more to what does the coach. Our the end goal within ten days. You say Elise. It does few Eliezer and motor. Eight hundred ten oh Beethoven pay Thome. I'm I'm half. Beethoven is plural of off. A great. It's K ten days. I'm gonna take cold showers. Yes. And you begin with two seconds, and you begin to feel. Begin to. That's not I got some more energy. I feel nice quicker. Through it. I just relaxed my breath, relax, you breath. And especially relax. You brad? Then the body is able to adapt coal body. Temperatures can everything holy vascular system is able to adapt. Not if you. And then the body is busy with doing something else. So then you don't get the magic the thirty seconds cold shower after the womb one is your very capable of doing that. And then during the day, she feel that. Divaesque condition is rising is optimizing and within ten days. She should be able to go for three minutes in culture. Only showing its gradual all feeling and that feeling will grow. You will get more energy. You will feel nice cortisol gets out of your body. Your heart rate goes down. You get better nutrients off Trajan into the cells, you feel more energy told air, and so go along your conscious feeling and and all these muscles begin to optimize when they begin to optimize in ten days. They are really capable of holding the coal body temperature. Right. Like nice temperature inside for the liver, lungs heart and the brain no mixing of coal and surface temperature. Because it creates hypothermia I creates as not nice and. Don't be tough. Just be nice feel nice about it. So within ten days, I predict you'll vascular system is optimized as so much more that your heart rate is going down for say twenty beats a minute twenty four hours a day that means decorum is all is not working being ignited when we get danger. Our heartbeat goes up and then cortisol comes in Andrew del incomes in to meet this challenge. But now we meet to challenge all this. Because our vascular condition is too low and a heart needs to beat to compensate, and it doesn't get too much to decelerate ULA. Great, by the way, and. And. I know. But there is a lot more where this care where you are in yourself pull you and coming from Montana this morning. I wrote we have to go have a reunion and Montana a toll to instructors in America because it's beautiful stain. It is stunning. So that. The challenges, and it is there. You are going to love cold. Yeah. Regulate. My breathing regulating through your breathing. Solid. You begin to live much deeper and to have a neurological from the brain top down much more control within the body and with that defeat the extremities because that's the story apart, but you shoot to do just cold food bath for couple of minutes could be ice water and then getting it out and soda veins are and then walk around two veins open up because they went to closed and pull blood flow got in. Then you get a pain. Yeah. And that's. Constriction and we'll go way. Come right back after a quick break. When I sit down to write my new cookbook, the clean plate. The first all was that everything had taste, really good. The second was that every recipe had to comply with the fundamentals of clean eating. I wanted the recipes to work on days when you're craving a healthy, filling lunch or planning dinner for a friend with food sensitivity, and because I love to cook. And I love to eat. I wanted to have fun with at all I never want food to feel like a punishment or a chore? This cookbook is different for me. Because in addition to the recipes I included six QNA's with cutting edge, functional doctors and nutrition experts each one focuses on their area of expertise from Tabacum to heart health, and they all come with a tailored weeklong cleanse. I hope you get a chance to try out some of the recipes in the clean plate. You can pick up a copy from your bookseller of choice. Skin-care two little words that get a ton of air time over here at goop. Our passion runs deep so deep. We created our own line powerful. Nontoxic skin-care published a book called goop clean, beauty and just launched a drinkable collagen powder. So yes, we're mindful about what we put on our bodies. But we're equally tuned into what we're feeding them. And for better or worse. What I eat inevitably seems to show up on my skin, which is where delicious superfoods like blue diamonds whole natural almonds can come in an easy source of skin friendly, vitamin E, along with minerals and fiber. This is the snack that can help keep skin looking and feeling good. And it doesn't hurt. The blue diamonds non-parole supreme almonds are dictum snack satisfying. You can blend them right into smoothie bowls. I pack them for midday pick me up when I'm traveling. And in the test kitchen the team uses them when they're cooking to visit give dot com to get the full recipes editors whipped up with blue diamond whole, natural omens. Back to Elise and went hop. So interesting to me that these are wildly accessible free, easy things. And yet they're so much. And I know you've sort of defied the cynics in some sense because you've been studied so rigorously. But it's so it's it's what do you think it is like that anger at wanting this idea like take a shower, do do some breathing exercises that what is it is a very ancient? Thought process a instincts of hours when we were in the prehistoric and a Colt was our enemy, and we still got. But now we got a new enemy, and that is the blue light that is distressed of daily life. That is do new Rollie our brain activity inside of our head our skull from outside. We look like thousand years ago same inside has changed like twenty times more neural activity, that course, different problems and those different problems. They have to be. Yeah. Challenged and assigns knows how to shoot rockets to the moon, but doesn't know how do down regulate in a natural way, depression, bipolar and bad mood, and all those things and emotion itself going into depth of our being we lost it. So there is the chart and now we found these pathways, and we have to override this Asian instinctive repulsive way of thinking that cold is something bad. No, it is really good in a horror Matic way. Not any shocking way. It is so simple that it is almost inconceivable. But once again killer number one in western society is cardiovascular related, and and that is only disservices so many more. People suffer from bat silk Latian, and without the quality of life, and the cells don't get enough nutrients and that on a chronic basis is like a hassle every day. You cannot feel see the ripples, you don't depth anymore. And it just taken a cold shower every day is consciously bringing back this this this disconnection of the way nature mentor us to to command without nobody wants to feel bad. But we just don't know. So to commend top down from the brain consciously. What is happening? I wanna feel good. So way to do that is to reestablish vascular system. Right. And with that comes to connection and right biochemistry to command to body to do to feel good. And it is simple. But coming from this ancient way of. Thinking, which is an instinct we have to learn to control our instincts. How do you do that by going into the depth of the brain? Are we capable of doing it? I just showed it and showed it six years ago that we can go into the tournament nervous system, which means the depth autonomic nervous system is not only in the body and soul to in the brain. And now, they the professor say we found compelling compelling evidence of the key components of the autonomous processes of the brain related to mood regulation. They say this is a transformational technique that will chains mental health care. What does the world need to tackle the terrorists Colt, depression, bipolar, anxiety, fear trauma? Yes. Anything and we found two way to learn to control these instinctive old ways of thinking processes in the brain, whatever it is. I wish everybody to be happy strong unhealthy. And it's it within your reach. Yeah. We have found it. So beyond the implications for our health. What do you think it means for like us as humans, right? Like, what's the d-? Is there deeper? Yes. Are we supposed to learn something about our connections of the earth about are like being electrical or energetic beings? Whatever we are its purpose purposeful and happy strong and healthy. It's all there. So if we learn how to just been shown this now, I'm waiting for the FDA to approve through ethical commissions a new study. See where I will show. People are bipolar. Nobody wants to be a bipolar or depressed or bad mood it or emotion out of control. But nobody knows how to bring it down make the contact and change his everybody. If everybody would be like in control of his happiness, then not would be no grieving five cars and six hours and possessive way of thinking and be better than somebody else. Because you oughta best. Best. We are now able to tap into the deepest part of the brain showing. And if we are able to go into deepest pot where else can we go can go in any part of the brain at command at will. And nobody wants to feel bad everybody. If everybody is able to become say happy. What else do you want nothing? So that's why it's like a hippy movement. Oh freedom flower power win. All nice. Nobody listens. Everybody's going to overrule that Nixon Ghana, comma, Ghana out of degrade and say, no, I don't want to and they shut it down again and all that and and power system and older, but they actually not able to be happy unconditionally. They always conditionally happy. Bye by so much and power and. More ammo. I'm all all fair based and fear comes when you have no control within your own mind. And now we have shown that we are able to tap into brain make us feel good whenever we want. So what are you doing? You're doing a study around by polar? I feel like that's one of the most devastating diagnoses friends and loved ones he suffered from it. What are what's is it again, breathing and cold showers? Yes. And learning that's the next day, each about mindset, always hocus-pocus believe this be that. No, you better believe it that we have at our will the possible connection with the deepest part of the brain to be able to intervene whenever we feel bad. Bipolar is bad diaper depression about anxiety, fear. Trauma, all those things are really bad. But we don't know how to tap in. Adot moment into the area of the PG, the deepest part of the brain which contains fork hormones and a painkilling or old natural very strong. So there would that control. We would be able to break the loop of the bat moot and not say Endo Cavanaugh it system. Yes. And yet interesting 'cause friends who are bipolar fine. Smoking pot is very helpful. And it's not typically diagnose. But that's interesting. So system I'm from Amsterdam. Yeah. Yeah. Dog. Hey, we are again. But now, it's a we got this t shirt says get high on your own supply like funny, but it's serious when you are Reeb I lost my wife. Five jumping from eight storey down schizophrenic so called pool of biological. I mean, injections and pills at TRE. He's my son. He is sitting here to thirty five now and to a at his age when she jumped down to two young beautiful woman lost for live. But no ability to tap into that. But to take away debt stress that that horrific Hora going on in. A full beautiful children beautiful woman and always spontaneous. And I pledge there without knowing that I'm going to find a cure for any of these states of mind to happen. No more. And now, I'm almost fooled circle. Tell you emotion is emotion. And I found a way to tap in and to still my broken heart, my emotions and still is there. And now I learned how to control that to bring to stillness not to make it go away or something goes never goes away. But I want to find natural ways for those who are suffering right now and approve it through signs that we affectively are able to connect in our brain to depart that makes able to break any loop of evil happening within our. Brain not the purpose filled life. Thank you for being here. Thank you. Let's go breathe. Yes. Thank you for listening to at least conversation with the fascinating went Hof. To learn more about him and his method checkout Wim Hof method dot com now it's time for a question from one of you. How do you mentally prepare? When you have to have a difficult conversation with someone from Julia. Well, my therapist. Barry Michaels has a really good technique for this which is to get in touch with the part of your shadow young called your shadow, the the part of you that kind of holds all of the anger, and rage and sort of tap into the energy of your evil shadow. So that you are coming from a place of strength instead of weakness and apology energetically. That's a tactic that works. Well, for me that might not work well for other people, and then I just try to always speak really straight and be really fair and always look for the positive outcome. If you have a question you'd like me to answer here, send it over to goop on Instagram or Facebook. Thanks again for tuning into Gook podcast. We'll be back next week with episodes on Tuesday and Thursday. 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Not At All Nervous...

"Oh. Doing it again. I I think we're doing. I'm so nervous that like all the audio were about to record is just gonna be just totally fucked. Well, I think no matter what it'll be it'll be it'll it'll be it'll be that's correct should be the title of your next book. It'll be. Though, me and hand are grasping arms. You can't. You guys can't see this. But we are. Hey, guys. Welcome to the start of season two almost of Hanna is this this episode is just something that we recorded live at pod con as we are getting ready to re-launch our show, and how is podcast. How is he experienced? Well, it was a mixed bag. I would say. For more. Listen to the episode your about to listen to. But a couple of things we want to give you guys a heads up about one. We are so excited. So freaking excited to be doing hamels this again. Yes. And I'm feel so bad for abandoning you offer so long that could be co-dependency, whatever. I just know that people have been tweeting. And like they're like when is the show. I'm like look at dog. It's not funny. And someone's like when is the podcast coming back? Great win. Spunk has coming back. That's all I hear it. Like, that's cool. That's a really good point. I'm the one who frames it in this like angry tone. God, hey did quits once podcast, man. Man like that. That's how I hear my cost. So do you guys? So soon. Like, I'm just going to pretend I didn't see that. Well, the reason why the podcast has been on hiatus so long is that we're going rogue baby. This is now a fully independently produced podcast. Yeah. We're actually in a bunker right now. We're we're sitting in at a dining room table recording into little microphones God. I really hope we are screwing any of this up. Am I even recording? Did I even hit record? No, dude. You're recording the circles read, he sure way circles. Wait, let me check. Oh, good. Oh now. Anyway, guys, we're independent right now, which means that we need to figure out a way to make money. Which is why we are proud to announce that we are launching a patriot. You guys will be the sole funders of this podcast aside from my savings account. So please let me know if you wanna do that. Yeah. No. It's gonna be great. And we're going to join the twenty century. We're gonna patron on. It's gonna be awesome. It's going to be colorful and cool. I don't know how but it will be an it is actually writing things. Yeah. Hannah gulfs writing you're gonna re things that I write. I don't know if anybody wants that there's lots of exciting things that Hannah will be writing. And we're going to tell you about some of the patriots perks at the end of the episode. So if you guys want go check them out yourselves, you're going head to patriot dot com slash. This podcast. I just want say I don't know if we're at this part yet. Thanks so much for waiting waiting. Thanks much for hanging out while we were on hiatus because I know what it's like when someone leaves. And then you're like, oh, but maybe they'll come back. Maybe there's hope and then you're like no, God, let him go get rid of this. You mean when you're reading like a multi chapter fantastic. And it's like chapter forty one and you're like wet, that's it. Whereas the next chapter authors. Like, hey, I'm going to India for like six weeks. So there won't be any updates. I don't really know. And I'm gonna right next. And then you're like, I'm going to go kill. Yeah. Anyway, it's I know that feeling thank you so much for listening once again, thank you for your patience. We're glad to have you back. It's going to be a rock in good time. So please enjoy this episode from pod Khan and you'll hear from us again at the end. and welcome to this live from Podkopayev. And just in case, we didn't get it the first time around. Hello and welcome to handle this live from podcast. God. It's always good to be. Sure. Hyderabadi? A my name is Hannah Hart. I'm gonna go. And this is the premiere episode of Hanoi's this season two colon. Yeah, we're back. Yes. And we are ready feeling really ready feelings all nervous not at all. No, mostly just excited. Have you missed analyze this so much? Oh me too. I mean, you know, how I feel about my job. I do. I think everybody everybody know about your day job. You're waking we've started off today with the Bank. We went on a search for breakfast this morning. We went to this waffle place called sweet iron and proceeded to purchase the best tasting waffles. I've ever had. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for the. Yes. This guy's clapping. He gets it. To is in Seattle this morning. We awoke we thought let's treat ourselves. Let's get a fine Cup of coffee. Let's get a spread. So drink your hard to come by here in Seattle. And we went on a walk and arrived at this beautiful location called sweet iron and inside it had Bilgin style waffles guys made to order. Yes. It took six hours. Yeah. But it was worth. It was very worth it. We contemplated eating while standing we contemplated eating in the bathroom because there is notice it, and it said we just walked back and even slightly gold. Those. I mean, I didn't wake up today expecting to have this experience. But life comes out fast. Wow. Years had goat cheese on it. Man. I was the better choice of the two. Yeah. Okay. Mine was not as good. But let's be real not everything can be. Yeah. So we started today off the bang and then from there a wonderful event occurred for me personally. Now, I don't know if you guys know my greatest vice some might think it is. Self doubt or self hate might think it's like, oh, maybe Hannah relies on alcohol. I think it's games. You might think it's video games as another possibility. None of those are true my greatest vice I am a huge fan of the National Football League. I know. Yeah. So I want you to know we were supposed to be prepping for this podcast for the previous hour. We spent the whole time talking about football. But at the time of this recording. It's the playoff. It's literally championship games for the AFC and the NFC guys. That's there's only there's only two there was only one game. After today that's the Super Bowl. And then guess what? Nobody has to slightly judge me from here until September. I did not understand football at all. Until today. When Hannah hard Tommy about it cabraha could have been enjoying it all this time. Well, I just don't think people take the time to explain how football works girl. Oh my God. And then you did. And it was like, oh, so it's like three things got it. To be fair. I did I drew a little bit. I use some like, okay, I'm excited to invade the space. This football space. Yeah, I'm super excited for when next season during the games. You're like I read this amazing fan Fiqh of how. When I realized that's what ball is. It's just it's it's a modern gladiator sport. Football's a lot of flies changing, we could cut enrolls. Trust me. I've found a lot of ways to justify my love of the sport and can go into them at length anytime, but today. We're here because we're going to talk to you guys about the new model and system for how we're going to handle as this. We have learned so much in our first year podcasting. And we are so ready to begin again. Yes. Also, I was astonished to realize we did forty episodes last year. Yeah. I mean, that's. Yes. So we've learned a lot and one of the greatest pleasures that I've actually gotten to witness is, obviously I've been doing this awhile, and I've gone to a lot of conventions of a lot of people doing meet-and-greet together with you him ago and seeing the effect that handle as this has had on you guys lives and seeing you guys gratitude for like, my buddy, you know, what I mean how it's just really warmed my heart. It's just made me so excited to try and to continue to elevate this podcast into make it the best version of itself. And I just would like to thank you guys here. I'd love if you guys could give yourselves around applause. Your your statements your gratitude, you're preciado your letters. These are the things that literally make it just makes my day. How you? Podcast worth doing. You know? I mean, there's other things that are worth doing. But obviously. Always surprising. And it's kind of hard at first it was very hard for me to really take it in. Because I always think I'm failing at everything. But it's amazing. It's motivating it's meant a lot to us. Thank you guys so much. Thank you for those you who were vulnerable with us and told us about how the podcast has ano- either giving you some space giving you a new perspective, given a family member a new perspective on mental health. I can think of no greater goal than to continue to reduce the stigma around subjects of mental health and wellness. Why do people stigmatize it? What's the fuck? I don't know, man. I'm having a real moment here. I think I personally I still have a lot of shame. I carry a lot of shame about my self. And it makes it really hard to be my best self on the podcast to. That's what I want to work on. And feel like you're going somewhere. And I'm kind of. Well, it just is really interesting because I feel like for those of this those of us that. Shaya away from confronting those things that are only within our control. What's going to happen is that we're going to bring those things into our lives in the lives of everyone around us. We're gonna pass shame onto our children. We're going to show our friends who love and transport this that no their efforts are falling flat, which is going to make them feel like they're failing. You know? It's like we're all interconnected. So for some of us, it might feel selfish to try to pursue mental health and wellness for some of us, it might feel selfish to be like there's something any talk about her. I'm not okay. I know for me is like a super caretaker prioritizing those things is against my instincts. And a way that I think through that is by realizing that no I'm going to be able to be a better friend, a better parent, a better person, a better partner, if I take responsibility for my wellness. So that is very to me. Life. Could. In fact, be good. Guys, we could do it. Yeah. What were some moments from his last year? I mean, this is your first time doing anything in the creative performance spaces. And you know, I've chosen mental health. So good luck. You know, we could have done a podcast on fandom. But I think we would have just ended up talking about mental health. Anyway, let's be real you're right. You're totally. Yeah. Totally what we some of your proudest moments. This year. A little. You know, I think the grief episode made me very proud. And I was because it was my idea. So I feel like, you know, I got the idea found people do it, and we did it and it worked out. Well, but you know, really, actually, I would honestly this is kind of a lame answer. Maybe. But I think every woman doing it was really proud because that was. Everyone. We were doing it was the opposite of not doing it. Ways easier doing something the opposite of doing nothing and doing nothing such an easy choice. There were plenty of weekends. Where I felt so was not having a good week. I was not mentally feeling for it. There was travel and then go back to my day job. But I pushed myself to show up. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think the stuff that you guys aren't privy to some some moments where you know. In our opinion went wrong. We had some guests that never made it onto the show all the stuff that you guys only get to see the finished product that thing that comes forward at the end. And what you miss is in between the back and forth. We try to do remember when we did the people pleasing episode. Good. That was like a nightmare. Yeah. Basically worried I had like hurt you like I I was like. I was like fucked up handing it I was the first time we tried to record remotely. So it was like us on the phone, but also with our producer. And then also some random dude, it was like who's this random, dude? I can't be vulnerable with this random, dude. The right partnership at the time, which is something that's also really hard to admit when you're in like a beginning stage of a new project new business creation. But what happened was we started talking about it? And I realized it was an issue that went so deep for me, which I didn't realize before we started recording. And then it turned into it felt like four three people. Looking at me under a microscope trying to talk about people pleasing in like, very meta. Because like trying to please them in that moment. But like talking about it, and I just start crying. I mean, that's normal. But no, it wasn't your normal. Like, this these tears are taking me somewhere. It was like. Like because I could tell you. We're starting to cry because I know you it wasn't like you were like, I'm starting to cry. It's like I could hear it in your voice that like there you were spending and like like like Arnold who's. Yeah. You know, what I mean like you were going to get so far in your own head that like, even if I'm trying to help you find your way out you're not gonna get there. It was triggering. That's it was figuring. But that's also something that makes me very proud about the podcast is I think it's really forced both of us. Maybe me definitely to really confront all these issues. I mean, I try in my daily life to work on myself. But I think doing the podcast has really made it. Everyone glad because someone's taking pictures of my head out of the way to look like kinda considerate. But also still really cute. Hannah loves pictures. I just don't at all times the camera. Will you look, dude? I mean, you always to thanks, bro. I work. It's takes a lot of constant effort. I think that one of the things I'm most proud of is that even yesterday having people come up to us and talk about the episodes in particular that are helpful to them like the ADHD episode. A lot of people were like this is something I need to export. This might be something that I have. I hope that like as we go into the next series. We have episodes like that that really invite everybody in or if you have a friend or family member that is so like rejecting of this kind of self awareness its investigation on one of the people we've met here at pod kind shared that they were cleaning with their mom or something, and they put it on the background and their mom who so like hard and fast won't talk about stuff was able to benefit was able to just open the door a little bit. You know, and that's all I want. I just want to help push the door ajar. It's someone else's responsibility to walk through it. What they do is up to them. But if I can help on lock it. I wanna do that, you know, buddy, buddy. Cloud going. Going forward in two thousand nineteen we probably won't have in. So we're not gonna take any breaks. So that clap was as close to a break. We're going to get. I have I have something I want from this next wave. There are topics that I shy away from and they're like, yeah. There's stuff I don't bring up and confront and like there's things that like still like really fucked me up. This is not the time. Now, you're so sweet like like if I didn't wanna challenge push myself. I'd be like, you know, you're so great at allowing people to feel comfortable by not pushing. You know, what I mean that I would be like run run run. God don't hold me to it. Don't home to it. But how long talk about religion. Oh. But you are so qualified man. They're gone. I took my glasses up, and I flung them. Now. I have a kid. Yeah. I mean, like, thank you. Thank you. I mean, like, you know, if the church I was raised in the droves witnesses had allowed women to become preachers and elders. I probably would have you know, like, I like I liked teaching. I like the all Aji, but that doesn't. That's kind of a goal. I have is. I would love to find someone who either comes from a similar background in a really conservative religion or cult or that sort of thing. And it's how found themselves like living their life outside of it. And some of the ghosts in the nursery air, some of the ghosts of the demons is still haunt you. More a theologian or like, a queer rabbi wouldn't that be go? Yeah. That'd be great. Oh my God. What if we get like, a queer priest a queer rabbi? Our Buddhists monks gay all shirt. Well, this is far as we get in our brainstorms. But yeah, I want to challenge myself. And I think I would like to talk about religion. So that's something I'm going to try and push for entwined nineteen as well. That's great too. I'm so stoked for that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, buddy. Have some goals? That's great because I was gonna say what would your goals be? Well, one thing we're going to do differently is we noticed we would do an episode. And then it'd be like man, we have like nine hundred hours, we could talk about this. So we wanted to write like we do an episode on topic. Like, for instance, we touched on grief, but we touched on grief. We always kept saying, oh, we need to part two two, and we were trying to fit into this like weekly model that a lot of podcast follow. You know? It's like there's a lot of pressure to do. What's already being done? Right. It's like, oh Hannah Hart is like a personality and tamen. Well, let's look to Tyler Oakley or grace Helbig. Let's look to other people. How do they do their shows? They do it weekly. They do it topical. Like, that's what we should do. We have noticed later in the season. It was like so this episode. We're going to hang out. Which is great and serves its purpose. And I think that we will still have some of those. But I think it's pockets. Yeah. So we'll do whatever. But I think for both of us we are left with more questions and it's frustrating. Yeah. So we wanna go deep. I want us to be year of depth. Oh, did you just laugh it, no? I didn't laugh I maybe hanging fruit choked. You know, but guffaws like a puff and a total. I think is like. I don't think in shorter. Liz because you read it in like old timey books are like, yeah. He he was like we'll never to that chills. I think it's like a. Oh. Snicker is like. Yeah. Yeah. We should do. More laughter therapy. Dude. Yeah. That was great. My the best day. I that's the only episode. I think of listened to more than once, you know, because it actually like really makes me feel happy like I'll put it on in the background while I'm doing other like tedious things, and it will be like it'll just make me feel good. Because it's I mean, I love it makes me laugh to hear you laugh laugh to think about you hearing my left. Man, you thinking about you hear you love. So funny to me, honestly, that's how good asleep in night. But. Laughing. Do that's what if you fell asleep? Oh, that'd be really creepy and weird happen. Pretty sure hasn't. Maybe like this like. Dreamland? Yeah. Crazy sidebar last night. I had a dream. Fred Armin CIN. Yeah. In it today. Ella went to brunch with a friend who she sat next to at brunch. I know. Oh my God. Let's get him on the show. In board. What is your term for twenty nineteen twenty nine dream? I love it twenty nine team. The year of letting people in, you know, getting the friends you already have beautiful telling your one friend like, okay, do whatever the end of that sentences for you. And so I wanted to say this goes for friendship as well. But something I wanna work on this year. And the podcast is people are always saying to me like, oh, my gosh, you're so real and so vulnerable, and it just is so great. And that's like I kind of disagree in some ways because I still shy away from just being one hundred percent real recording. Sometimes it's easier to make a joke or like laugh, and I want to practice accepting everything that I'm feeling and really be honest about it. I mean, it's right now is really hard to. And I want to be. Thank you. I realize I'm very honest with all of my flaws, but I'm very scared of showing people my strength and my power. Thank you. So I'm going to work on that. That makes as as your co host that makes me feel great. You know, because we talk about this a lot like we were talking about like the fierce that we have about, you know. Not only obviously, we do the podcast together. But we are also frenzy relief. So even outside the buckeyes we are talking about our lives, and there are times where I've had to be like, I'm like, dude, that's a cap on hannibal's is negative things about Hannigan. I'm like, I am actually happened in the last twenty four hours. Yeah. So pre shoot it man. Do I know you're strong? I know you have strengths. You know what I mean? And I don't just like it's like, I accept your flaws, and I don't reject them. But I also don't want to like continually enable a self deprecating behavior by constantly providing a security blanket, you know. Scary thing to say, right. Like scared to say. But like, yeah. It's like, I mean, real friends know, like not as the market, but true friend. Yeah. Dude is to be like, okay. Because if I'm like, not at my best MAC like capacity. I have every right to be like maximum capacity hearing this. I can't I can't I can't reaffirm right now 'cause I need strength for reaffirming myself. So like goal, and you took it you're like Gada like you just took that in, you know, he only people would be like. What does? Like, it would be a scary thing to hear from a friend. You know, super scary. But it was great because I don't even sometimes I don't realize I'm doing it. I'm like this is normal. It's such a reflects for you. Right. Like we heard that song by the eight brothers. And you're like, oh, I'll be like something negative about yourself. And you were showing me a song you loved, and I was being like this song is great. And then it was a negative sentence. And it's like Buffy I thought we were just loving on the. By the way, we love them. Oh, I realized the brothers are salmon dean from supernatural in real life. If you replace monsters with music anyways. This August roses and sacrifice f- way. I have you guys are curious if you wanna paint more of a picture of what we were talking about at the time. Just heartbreaking lupita full how it is. So good and they're so consistently our achingly beautiful. No must be hard. Right. It's like. GM we have notes. Yeah. I fear, and then you can share another here. Ooh. I have a fear that I won't make the time for the podcast that it deserves because I'll feel like I know that to maintain the podcast I need to prepare stuff ahead of times. That's not my nature period. And I'm not talking about preparing to record ahead of time. I'm talking about literally preparing to tweet it out or preparing to promote it or preparing videos that correspond with it. I'm talking about all the other elements of promoting a project. I worry that because the podcast is so intimate. I'm actually afraid of getting more popular I'm afraid of this room being full by didn't know that. Until now. Wow. That's Jit, dude. Yeah. I'm I have that fair because there's a no turning back point because you have your amazing career full. Now. I. So I feel like you can be yourself. Yeah. Feels like a safe space for me. Honestly like I own my God. This is so nuts. Okay. So I got a delivery one day saucy posts mates Sakari something this guy of the came to the door. And was like, oh my God. I'm sorry. Are you do you have a podcast? And I was like yes, I do. How did he how did he know just from listening who you are? Oh, how did they know that there are ways, obviously has my name and heard my voice and kick it out. So I think it's how he put it together. As like, yes, I do. And he was like, oh, I just started listening to it. I really like it. I was like, oh, it's amazing. How did you find out about it? And he was like, oh, I just saw as a podcast mode other podcasts too. I was like, oh, that's great. He's like. Yeah. And then I was like so it wasn't like through YouTube. And he was like, no. And I was like have you seen me on news? Like, no, I only listen to your podcast. I dunno. And I was like so rare. I was like. Oh, my. Which is awesome. Because you know, it sucks because I do want people to find the podcast that want to hear that find the podcast, it'd be good for them. But I'm also like everything everything we do everything gets bigger and bigger gets the more. It's taken away from you. But when you say you're very intimate and all your other projects that you do. Yeah. But it doesn't mean that they're not they didn't get bigger and change. I mean growth I've already imagined. My like behind the podcasts like VH visual and special where? It's like. This is gonna pay me. And then shot of me like doing hero in. And. And then it cuts to like my talking ahead. And I was like it went great. And then like, I don't know man, maybe the fame to handle the pressure and suddenly everything just stopped. Yeah. Like a whole walk the line kind of. I got I love that. Yes. So I got to figure out what that's all about. I gotta figure out what that fear of more responsibility. Is you know? Because it's not a fear of less intimacy. Maybe I didn't phrase, it's well, it's a fear of more responsibility. So that's something that I'm gonna work on this year. Because I really like I'd like to be not afraid of growing the podcast. Good cool. I'd like to not actively avoid promoting the podcast. You know? This is starting to make sense. Yeah. Already off to start. You don't know that I could not promote this. Macarena? I feel like I understand you though, because if this podcast becomes so large. I will never be employed ever again as Andrea. I mean, why do you feel? Or that is the least fear that lives in my body. Could be wrong will only become people only wanna work with you more. Yeah. You think people are gonna listens podcast and be like, well, she sucks. Definitely don't want to have her in my court. Okay. You know, what I'm gonna take take take it? They do. You wanna talk about a year fused? We'll go boom guys. We had a piece of paper. That's right. We're gonna go straight independent with this podcast. I think I don't know. I decay. I'm concerned about trying to pass off in competence slash neuroses. As performance. You know, it's a weird part of like influence over culture. Everyone's like, oh, man. I didn't wear pants today. Because I'm so crazy. Yeah. And I think it's easy to kind of start to lean into that almost too much. And then also I was telling Hannah heart, but I was like, well, I can't like well, everyone is depending on me being a huge miss, which is the opposite of the truth. But that's something that came into my head that was just pigeon holing yourself. That is like a thank you for sharing. Be what I'd like to encourage. You is to just be who you are without being reflection of what you perceive other people expect you to be and just like across the board. Right. It's like, oh, if they expect me to be Naroda, I guess I'll have to be more the Roddick as your life, really so cheap that it can be dictated by what you think. Other people want from you, you know, beautiful. Thanks, man. We'll see I'm working time. So moved by what Hannah says on her panel earlier, I didn't wanna take it away from you. But I did want to stand up and be like. I really appreciate that buddy came keel. Thank you pretty loudly, you know, as much of a goofball as I am such as fucking hard ass about mutual respect. I'm just such a hard ass because like I knew I was on a panel with just a McElroy air, and he was super super anxious. And I know it was totally well intentioned, and everybody's great. But we had a lot of people coming towards the fun. And it was actually a little bit unique because I've not had that many people come to the front of the panel at the beginning of panel. Like, usually at the end people come up but towards the beginning, and it was like a lot like interest. You know? A reasonably so once it seemed appropriate by one person and person wanted to do at cetera et cetera actions behavior response. I don't think that anyone is. So like fragile that they can't mutually respect. Someone is not my, you know. So I was like, hey, guys. Sorry, this next panels about to be phobias anxieties, depression like is going to be heavy for us. So I'm sorry. Can we just take a minute to collect ourselves for the panel starts now? I totally feel like I have the right to say that and everyone immediately respected it and disbursed, you know, and then we got dissenter ourselves. And in the end ended up giving a better product, which is what we really want to do. We don't want to be. So frazzled that we're like, okay. Got what you want? Yeah. You want this? Yeah. You want this starting the panel? I didn't collect any of my thoughts. And I think that that mutual respect is something I hope gets taken in the right way. You know what? I mean. Like, I'm sorry. If I think that you can take it. You know, what I think you're human too? Yeah. Did you see me do that? When I was in talking to a friend. That's. That's. Always she's always. There you go. And I was just like. Hi. Okay. Wow. Time is flying by. We wanna say fifteen minutes. Oh, we have ten minutes. Okay. The last one we're gonna take questions from you guys. So this'll be the last ten fischel minutes of the podcast, so podcast listeners. Sorry, you're not a con anyway. Let's your priorities in order next year. He so shall we talk about the future of handling is this who do let's do it. First and foremost, we are Anna how was it? Coming up weekly to try and record episodes. You have a full-time job. Wake up at five thirty between five thirty and six every day. It's a horrible nightmare. Yeah. So it was it was really tough. And of course, I tried to downplay all of it in my head. I was like well, of course, you should be able to have a fulltime job and do improv and do the podcast. It's like, whatever. Like nothing. And then really the podcast was kind of fulltime job. I mean, it was at least a part time job while you want you want to give it the credit. It deserves to do. Right. And you were getting on the train which takes two or three hours to gap from San Diego and then two three hours back and carving out one weekend a month. So we discovered that weekly wasn't really sustainable my travel, schedule cetera et cetera. And then we tried to do. Okay. One weekend a month will record four episodes, and that will be how we make sure weekly gets done. And that's difficult. Also. Yeah. Because when you go to the fourth one. Yeah. I don't even know who I am anymore. You know, because it's not four episodes of like, I don't know. And also we make weird references that are a month behind. Not as like top responsive, and then are also our environment. You guys might not know this. But we recorded every episode in basically a conference room like this one except smaller like a windowless cave. It was a cave. Yes. So it didn't really feel like a comfortable environment necessarily like we had to do a lot of psyching up to K. Okay. Here we go. Yeah. And then a lot of very nervous tense beginnings of episodes. And sometimes they were more just people in the room. Also, sometimes they sat behind me sometimes he sat behind hand gal. And she had to be like. I think someone's behind me when we were talking about sexy Jesus. And I was like I feel super uncomfortable. Actually, this is a great episode. Oh, no. I mean, I'm not denying that. Yeah. So in light of this and in light of being like, okay? Why do we feel like we have to do basically? Like, why do we feel like where's that coming from? It's coming from how other people have handled their podcasts in light of that. We are moving into a more module based and in light of wanting to go deeper, quote unquote into into the topics discussing whoa. We're going to go into a more module based system for handle is this. We want to cover topics across multiple episodes. We want it to be something you could listen to eight episodes of and at the end of it have gone through journey with us as opposed to us going through an entire journey, and then reporting it back to you in forty minutes and being like hope you got something out of it, which I'm sure can happen. But it doesn't I don't even get anything out of it. Because I need to go on that journey to you know, I can't be like, oh, I read this book, and we did an episode on it. And now we're moving on. And now that book and episode Ted. I'll never pick it up ever again over forever. So what we want to do is take you guys with us and kind of really do this all together. So in the future of twenty thousand nine we are going to start by diving deeper into perfectionism the role has out. Thank you. Yeah. Like a little clip to class. Getting in the role. It has in our lives, and what we can do to become Astor's of it. And then also don't worry. I'm sure we're going to be like should we perhaps have a giggle brick? Or do questions from our ear buds that will still be there? But this will allow us to take time to really prepare. And to be to be proud of what we're presenting to be like, I'm so glad we've got our finalized, eight episodes on perfectionism. Let's roll him out. You know, the words say, I know, dude, I think I mean, we're gonna try it. You know, who knows we might be here podcast three twenty twenty. And be like, wow. Remember that time we thought we had it all out. Maybe we'll do a musical episode one day to oh. Oh, I do. I'm kind of. Oh my gosh. So I had an idea to write a song. And then I kinda started and then immediately gave up so that's another goal for twenty nineteen. Yeah. But it's about you. Are your? Oh, that's so beautiful. Do you wanna talk about sailor moon more? But only as it arises naturally. Let me tell you something. My. My dad who is serious and does not like sailor moon. He was like I was just so transfixed by that sailor moon conversation. I think and it's because we were like the most on my game I've ever been in my life. We're talking about sailor moon. I was like, yeah. No. This is my area of expertise. Yeah. Yeah. I wanna do that. Yeah. And also like, you know, in the past, you know, again things that you guys don't every time we've finished recording. You know, like we'd be like, you know, there's something else. I have to say about this. Or did that really do, you know, like, I'm not here to commodified these topics? I'm not here to pretend like they're all just forty minute things. And I'm not here to pretend that everything appeals to everyone. So I will gladly take more depth and more consistency over higher output. That's what I want for the art making. We do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it'll still be super duper giggle fest because you can't. That's right. Great is anything else? You wanna say for now? I'm really 'cause I about the future. I wish that like we were going back to A or staying here. Just getting started knocking these out. We're going to get them to guys soon. We're on high is right now because we're in the midst of creating this. I have a goal of hoping that when you at home are listening to this episode. It's on Valentine's Day twenty nineteen like last year. We premiered Valentine's week twenty eighteen. That's right. Wouldn't that? Be a good very tidy, right? Like a Brazilian wax. Ron crowd. Not so weird. I would use. Yeah. I'm not that. We'll get you tidy right before. I've actually never done that. I just I do know that. No, I don't I just can't get myself to pay someone to pour hot wax on my genitals. And then repair off. I know it's very accepted. Have I kind of have a complex about it. But I just have never done. Do you manage your body is your body? But if you wanna give it a try, it'll probably be funny. So let's do it. But it's fun. Sometimes I just don't even know how your real, dude. Good news is it'll grow back. And knowing knowing us, you know, an Arjun headaches back like three dance, anyway, everybody I hope that you've enjoyed this episode. We are going to be diving deep into perfectionism next time. I hope you guys come along with us for the journey. And we are so grateful to being your altogether Gelb where can people find us on Twitter? Oh, man. We have a Twitter. It is is pod. And it's usually run by me. Yeah. I'm a little behind. It's super fun. You tweeted today. What's what's being on top of it? There's a few messages in the backlogs. About sustainability. Yes, it's been really fun to interact with some of you. And yes, I will continue to do that. We have an Instagram does not get used as much. I don't know if Instagram is a podcast social media medium. I am now. I don't think we need it. I have something we decided we needed to do just because that's the like except in model of doing anything now. And I gotta get those socials. I hate that model, and we have read it, and what am I going again for twenty nine hundred is to participate more on the read it and not shy away from it. Now, there will be times where I I'm not responding to certain things because I am exercising abound dri, and I don't wanna talk about that topic on read it in a public tech seaway. But for the most part, I don't wanna let that keep me from applying things I do wanna talk about. So that's a fear. Also, I'm working. Yeah. Thank you guys can being kind. Kyun in next time here, bud says, we talk about perfectionism who's she? Your buds. Does that that that that? Wow. I wanna great episode. You know that was a little. I remember thinking I said this thing at one point during the episode that I really thought was going to get a laugh, and then nobody laughed and I realized because it was sad. And I wish I had said really thought was gonna laugh at that, Stu sad. Okay. Now. I know now I know what to do the next time. 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Fanny Park and Stella Boulton

Queer as Fact

1:25:50 hr | 1 year ago

Fanny Park and Stella Boulton

"Hello and welcome to clear his facts the podcast bringing you quick story from around the world throughout time. My name is Eli. I I'm Alice and today, we're talking about the trial of Silla Bolton and fending pock. We have some content warnings. For this episode. The episode will contain potential miss 'gendering, depending on your understanding of finance devils identities. It will also contain mentions of sex work, including legal prosecution of sex workers, period, typical and modern day, misogyny, homophobia and transphobia, including legal prosecution and imprisonment of quote, people discussions of pornography and explicit discussions of sex discussions to read that line again. They'll also be sexual assaults specifically done and condoned by medical and legal. Authorities use of outdated language queer people and sex workers and mention of a possible suicide and a possible death from STI. If any of that sounds like something that you would rather not listen to you for free to skip this episode as always and listen to one of our other episodes for other horrifying things that have happened before we begin. I also wanted to look about our sources fest at more length than normal. But to do that I need to tell you basically who fending in Stella so finance Ella to young people assigned male at birth who had beach chalet dressed in women's clothes went by women's names, generally, presented as female in that passenger lives as well as professionally as actresses on stage one night while they were at the theater as the audience not onstage. They were arrested full being women's clothes to end. They went to trial. It's primarily because of this trial that we are anything about them. So the trout testimonies since both recorded wet wet which was common at the time. But what isn't common is that those testimonies survive? But luckily in this case, they have and they trial records held by the British national archives in q. Unluckily it has been digitized, and it isn't published the famous generally true of other primary sources such as that lettuce about thirty of which survive newspaper articles from the time and so on and so there are a ton of promises for this. But I couldn't access any of them from the tout is sometimes there are secondary sources on the future and a lot of Kohl's. And they will be mentioned quite frequently in like just general books about queens in the nineteenth century century Britain. I should say, however, the only room in depth treatment of them their lives in the trial is a book by Neil McKenna, entitled finance de LA the gunman who shocked Torian England that was choice to start out with. I remember Neil hamels. Go out. Yes. So new McKenna has written two books. One about Oscar Wilde cold the secret life of Oscar Wilde and one about finance della from his titles, you can tell that he has written turn in his his background is a writer apart from is journalist. He is a historian. Dr historical training, his style is as you would expect not a dry academic style. He writes in quiet, alike, there's probably a better word for this. But it's like a sort of fiction like style he'll use. I for example, like the colloquial language of the time to try to vote the setting in which was riding in. He also writes, I can't remember we're gonna Neil squad book, but at least in the book about Feni, Stella instead person close different parts or essentially from different people's points of view. Yeah. Which is interesting, and I don't think to be clear because I am going to say I love negative things about book consists that all of that spot is inherently a bad thing. So you'll McKenna from interviews that I've read and listen to with him has had a fair amount of negative feedback about his book, and he feels quite strongly about literary conventions around historical nonfiction biographies being overly restrictive in particular since so forth, and I agree with that. Like, we are doing a podcast, you, obviously, we have to agree the opening up the ways in which we talk about history is a good thing. And I do think that some of the choices he makes makes history more accessible with March dining, that's a good thing. However. Yeah. So when Neil directly quotes from a primary source he cited in footnote at the back of the book good. However, these are the early citations he makes so pages and pages will grow by without any citations, for example, a chapter about funnies LA life. A life, and it has to citations neither of which actually do really with text like he uses a court from some of literature and all the to kind of set the scene of the stop patience for that. You pasta had again having read and listened to interviews with McKenna. He has received criticism piteous an had people say, for example, that he just made a lot of the book out and he vehemently disagrees with that. He says that he did a lot of research more research than could have gone into book than everything in the book is based on facts, and he's made nothing up. And this could be true. But I don't nor yet us check yet. And I'm not gonna take his word for it. Does he at least have like a bibliography at the back? Maybe he hasn't acknowledgments section or a sort of saying like, I'm indebted to like, the British national archives yada, yada, yada. So it's clear some of the sources a used and he does side the. Quotes and so forth. So who's I like this comes from? So his deposition on the trial. So you can walk out which will some of the information comes from. But there is mobile graphene. Our founders really academic text in any way, and you can't really use it as one verify. Well, I'm about to. Good. So yeah, unfortunately, this is really the only book to tend to if you want to read about penguins Stella. So I've read it and about two presented episode based. I am grateful that he did ride like we wouldn't be doing episode if he hadn't little so it's gonna be interesting. I've said baby there are various times route this episode where I'm going to George tension to like where did you get this from one hundred discuss one is information as sociable, but every single time I said, a fact that he's inadequately sourced. I haven't mentioned that because I would just be constantly beginning every sentence will Neal alleges apparently this, and that's just not a way to do engaging episode of anything. So keep that in mind feel free to interjected any point if you would like to know what I think I'm talking about. I am also interested to see how this comes out because when I was taking notes on this virtually all of the kind of colorful detail about the personalities in the times was detail that I didn't feel like I could really take down because like for line you it was made up. And so I'm interested to save his comes out as like stock episode, frankly, I will fade. I think for the record that he has just wholesale made possible. I think essentially what he's done is. He is Redwood pulses of their and his kind of like extrapolated to what he believes is reasonable degree based on that. And like people disagree on what sources fame, and it's much harder to decide with you agree when you can't tell where they got their information in their opinions from. Yes, I also before we begin. Yep. Said pro wanted to do the obligatory. These people are genotype boasts to let's talk about Perennials. Yes. So if you remember the subtitle of McKenna's book. Yes, was the young man who shocked between England he often does us. She her pronounce full finance Hiller in the book. This is generally when it's from the point of view of someone who would've used she apprenticed with them most obviously themselves when it's on the point of view of someone else such is one of the police offices, for example, he uses hey Browns. I can't within his writing style. I feel like that not make sense. Yes show. So I wasn't really sure because he doesn't really want to break. He's armed full, and interject design opinion and kind of going forward. Why I wasn't really sure if he understood them to be men or not from the book in the citations and so forth. He will for example, if he's getting a letter from Stella he will use her birth name, which we're not gonna use and from interviews with him at dosing than he is understands them to be men, and this is generally how? How they understood in everything else that I've read about them and the reasons for this isn't because they've kind of like bullet about the situation and come to that conclusion the reason for that basically to be blunt seems to be well, they had penises, sir. Obviously on this podcast. We tend to look at things a little bit. Job. I mean, that's on a job we like to think that gender here on queer as fact yester-, so we will return to this at the end in more depth are trends and translated episodes just kind of structure themselves that way, but to spoil it, I'm not fully confident in talking about how they identified because of the nature of the sources, not new McKenna's book. But also, even if I had access to all of the primary sources, I suspect that it would remain kind of bigamous because most everything is from a courtroom setting. Yeah, that's going to have slight veneer bias over terms of how people talk about these things. So we'll return to would it be ended. See what we think I m mostly going to be using. She her pronounced to talk about them. This is because I believe them to definitely be trans women. But because we do know that these are pronounce that they used for each although and for themselves, I think they can pronounce would also be very easily defensible if you prefer to use pronounce it indicate the general in session. T we have over their identities. How do the two of you feel about that? I had I had this really call. It really say anything until we had the episode toy. Harry's want you used then let's us she her. And if we discuss at the end and decide that they almost Cohen next time, we mentioned them. We'll use them. Yeah. I feel like at this stage the early things I know about Fannie installer. Is that they presented a feminine way. That's pretty much all NR and use for themselves like a reasonable question is less like so tell me what you think their identities, all and more. Do you feel like the methodologies will strong web? But like, do you think the reasoning that I've given you there was fair enough? Yeah. I think my instinct is always to grow with picker pronoun, but we Nori this person has used. Yeah. Yeah. Notting that make sense. Yes. Stella was born in eighteen forty eight. She was a sickly child. Bending her mother was very protective of her and from childhood has already fallen of dressing up and acting in little plays. They'd put on the household. Always. To play male pods. Once when her grandmother was staying with them. She dressed up as the made pulled in drinks at dinner grandma did notice. It's quite likes acting. She's very good at it. Oh, yeah. How old am I picturing this child at this point reasonably all deposits? The may actually in the made wasn't like seven. Victorian. There was maybe the may seven anyway, the family was fairly comfortable financially when she was young. But as she got older her father's business suffered and by eighteen hundreds of budge to look for a profession. So she only wants to be an actress she wants nothing to do with like a career as parents live on the standard in the law or something Stella ends up working as a clerk in a Bank for while around the same time at health gets worse. And she's absent went off from from job Benetton applied the purpose. And I've actually leaves her position there and returns to just king fulltime about how she's going to be an actress and trying to into that world. So all that information so comes from stella's mother's deposition of the trial. We have a fairly similar story for Fannie in new McKenna's by graffiti, basically that she's very feminine and she loves to act from childhood addresses up and plays female rolls around the harm. But no Swanson's given. So if you disliked troop defending. Yeah, I mean, I assume it's either he has a bunch of prime resources on the city doesn't seem to cheryl's all Malak -ly. He knows that she's feminine. And that she's an actress and thanks chances. All she was like this from child. Yeah. Yeah. We do know that she had a brother, Harry who was also queer. We know this because he has his own court case. Being arrested allegedly coming onto a modem police foles, essentially, he's arrested a few times, actually, and eventually ends up fleeing into exile to avoid a prison sentence United. He flees just like some randoms towns golden acting in new McKenna's book, Harry is the one who introduces fanny to like what being gay means into what quiz up culture exists at the time in who kinda gives her the name Feni and so forth. Mike, you have no idea. Really? We don't know how Stella and funding meat, but they end up being pot all the so cool of all the people like themselves people assignment Lippo through a very feminine dresses women much of the time who act and who do sex web seller and funny in particular that were very close. They Coolidge the sister. Yes, it isn't. So they spent a lot of time socializing within his group in the link go out, and they'll go to the theater though, like drag bulls and things like that. Which will talk. About a little later. They also spend time at still is house. Interestingly. His family was kind of a K with stone. Her friend hanging out as women you saw when they hang out and sills house. They Dr trusses women are in the trial, as I've mentioned still is mother dulls testify and part of what that loss trial dolls is to kind of try and make Stiller Hawaiian lack how she dresses and so forth. Lucre k look like socially acceptable by having her mother who is this like, you know, like middle aged respectable woman me in on it. I so she says, for example, like, oh, yeah. You know, like, I always knew that my son like likes to play these roles, and we thought it was homeless was good at it. When kind of saying like, oh, yeah. His friends were around the time. And they will look really lovely and. Yeah. Like, lovely young men. And there's two quotes like about this that you mechanic us with festival she says like all gang. He did tell me that he went by the nickname Stella with his friends. And also, oh, I might have them address once or twice and then new McKinny kind of ads in the pro sections known a direct courts and with notation backing up that actually she gave tons of dresses. And also she cold Stella stellar, so, but we have not. Yeah, we'll get into in a little bit as well. Like, she has a few significant relationships and new Macan also kind of presents it that like stella's mother understands that these romantic prospects is trying to make a match most. And I'm just like would love to more about this. This is actually the the namic that they had bought like maybe they didn't. I have to say even like aside from what Neil McCann is said like the quoits you gave when he was like. Yeah. I knew that was the nickname. I do lend them some dresses. She sounds quite chill about it. I mean, I guess like if you wanted to play the devil's advocate, you could say that maybe really they will like look you'll something a lot of trouble. When if you say, it will get you out of it. But yet like I. I think that does point towards being exempting of a child's nature to some degree. But as a big difference between being like, oh, yes, you are like I'm proud of the fact that you all becoming more successful as an actor in life. Don't mind, you know, how you present yourself with your friends and being like, this is my daughter. I am going to make her a match with old. Yeah. Very different names. And I wanted to which like, yeah. Yeah. Does it as well? As excel assault seeing this guy, and he is the the some I believe of juke, and it has kind of like still being like, oh like it was possible that you might be dodgers one now. And it's like, what are we actually on the sand is meant to be behind that like off the cuff remark like what? Yeah. The idea that she's going to like bike, some papers and just get. Yeah. Or is it just that like by being in a relationship with this, man? Could eventually be conceptualize yourself as the duchess. Like what I'm there? A little like interesting things like that in that went really expanded all that much. And yeah, yeah. So it mentioned that both actresses they both act in time to be fairly small time productions and they never like you'd successes. They always play women Stella will play like young beautiful heroines and funny. We'll play sort of all the women like dodges stone women there's a lot in the book of like assisting their appearances in how attractive they all answer full in. It's like generally the pace fit like Stella is more traditionally feminine in her parents, and it's just like a lot of software account. She's more beautiful, and you went through pro I willing to prevent it. I don't have any like Notre anything. I was just gonna like that seems a bit on essence, I guess like. Again. Even if I'm not saying that definitely translucent I think taking them and kind of like assessing how well they quitting were Paul's. And how masculine features hours still transplant. I mean. Yeah. I feel like doing that anyone and not as a with. Yeah. Like, it's obviously like that'd be it. That's all. But I I guess I feel like I don't get them to submit laid that whether or not are trans they all to people society of uses men, presenting an imminent way. And I feel like a lot of how they talked about us really rental into transloading like both at the time and today, so you read Neil's also while we'll go to sleep. Yes. It does Neil assessment similar ways. Like, he would've talked Oscar Wilde's lavas. Yeah. He does. Yeah. I don't know. Whether that's reassuring. Yeah. Understands putting on the Steelers, it'd be men. So I guess that's surprising bills. Go out for like six months now, I'm not super, but I think like even Oscar he's quite like descriptive in don't Jiwei in. Yeah. Like, very unflinching in his descriptions of all schools like aging body into. And I'm just like, oh, okay. We're doing that. I guess. So. Yeah, as I said, the number massively successful, but they do quite well in the roles, so they do get at least some of the times they'll be like very well applauded occasionally have standing ovations in people will give them book as in so have favorable reviews. So we have reviews of people being like United Stella funny was amazing in this role is whoever plank. Good job so onstage in days roles. If you say looking at the cost list listed by mail names, this wasn't explicitly said anywhere. But like, it seems that would be the case like that not like trying to pulse as his gender women in order to get into this active profession, like it's quiet normal people society visas men to play women's roles on the stage. I guess it's that kind of thing like, it's fine entertainment, but the people themselves sometimes looked at a little Wisconsin. Yeah. So what sorry I'm sorry. What year are we in? Fannies bore nation. Police seven we're in like the mid to late sixties eighteen sixties. Are those type and then the early seventies will as I also briefly mentioned with Stella and funny were involved with sex work. We know this calls, for example, Stella was arrested twice in eighteen sixty seven for being drunk and soliciting minimum public won't just of the woman. It's not something that seemed to really come up in the court cases. But it's something that Neo presents is just being like a policy life regularly for quite some time. So I watched the legality of sex book will if you someone who's line male birth wrestling's woman, it's illegal because of the legal you're going to have sex with a man Australia. The store McKenna. No McKenna kind of depicts Diller as being quite promiscuous from is kind of like sliding into sex way through that. But you really don't know what happened, and there's also some stuff in the book about how like they both present women whilst working in town some of their clients don't nor than on says gentlewoman. I am, sir. As we've mentioned, they both do seem to be interested in men romantically and sexually still in particular has a whole bunch of boyfriends that we know about Fannie, we have less evidence of romantic involvements in. No McKenna says this is because she's not really attractive enough to get meant data. I wonder why people persist in believing that everyone chooses that remanded partners basement physical attractiveness in that likes dry food or way. It's probably also with mentioning the new McKenna leg from the interviews. Like, he's like, oh, yeah. Like love was a battlefield for her like really struggled to get dates and so forth. Unlike she's the one that I feel is like. Shmulik meeting in that respect. So he's like fond of her on the basis of it. But it's also like immensely catchy about it. And it was just like, okay. That's so weird is quite does. He know what did you just look at a picture of her me like it was hard for her to get? I mean, I think it's a thing where we have is like holiest of men that Stella was with only have anyone that funny was involved with. And obviously like there are reasons why that could happen outside of no one will date funny. Maybe fannies just more private now. Maybe she does sometimes wear black mourning clothes, and we'll call herself the widowed. Mrs funny Graham, but this nor any evidence that Mr. grandmother existed. Okay. Maybe she just doesn't want to die to anyone. That's just like a way to keep people away. Yeah. Just interesting. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. I was just kind of like that so dramatic, and I love it. I didn't go much further than that with it might as well who dramatic. But yes. So we are now going to do about this. So it's on a juke. So in eighteen sixty seven Dylan her mother grew to a dinner party held at a friend of the family's house. Lord. Arthur Pelham Clinton is also invited to this enhanced Delo must have been quite taken with each other. Because he asks if he could visit them at the home sometimes dental a lot about author apart from the fact that he's in a fair amount of debt. He has a habit of buying really expensive gifts doesn't really blame them bag full. Arcane. So we know for example, that he tries to provide a very expensive Kate dinner stella's coming of age party, despite the fact that the Boltons have already made plans for this end have declined. And it's good socially clearly, a relationship between Stella into ofo begins at some point because they end up living together as husband and wife in a boardinghouse. Yes, I realized that escalated quickly, but I really implying rebel here. So we know that they're living together as husband and wife because Stella science letters from the time as still a Clinton in a letter that Fannie route to author she refers to herself as office sister-in-law and she mentions, Stella and office, much more your squabbles. So that is well and truly the arrangement. Obama married, which is nice. I wonder if they had a wedding. Oh, yeah. Me too. I wonder if he bought an expensive. He couldn't afford. Did. They have like diamond engagement rings thing. I have no idea. Understood the tacky. There was never any mention of her having a like ostentatious ring on the sources, the new McKenna all just in him leg to sonic to make one up anyway, still really Chinese. Fannie often comes to stay with them. And we'll sleep in a little bedroom of the man one. We know a bit about the living arrangements. They're from testimony from the maze who worked there. So you're saying that Stiller in office looked to the main bid together finding would sleep in the little side room. They all say the fending in still Awo like always dress with women and that the maids will constantly confused about widow still aren't funny women women, and what was going on. Okay. Also likes to learn funny. He's interested in the theatre he wants to be an actor. And so he instill a active place together who with a hero. And so it be the damsel. So they tore around England little bit. I ask whether you remaining then acting in plays like professionally on the stage, whether you meant like. After my accident little slice. That's true. I mean, they probably did something quite fun. Yeah. They do also acting plays professionally together. So they go into little like toward Scarborough together to perform some place, and they get quite good views that people are very interested in them know, much of this sort of thing really comes to Scarborough and author takes her out on the town while it we've ho dressed as women, and they just, you know, good theater on so full and one man who's the police on them because of this bit. No one's arrested goes, okay? They leave Scarborough so one of their friends Collado holds a drag. So to be clear Colloton is one of their friends who was also assigned mallet both but uses a female name and dresses in clothes insightful. And just wanted to drag bull. It's gonna be great. So obviously, quite a big community. So all the drag bulls that he mentioned. They seems like they had maybe like thirty to fifty people at though, not like massive. But there is a small underground community going on. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes they have potties as all good small on ground community. These like underground bulls for this community holds are generally quite secretive as you can imagine. So for example, they might require a password to enter. Dr from police reports from the time police records from office Dila advise arrests describe one such potty that they bring up when they put black crepe over the windows, and the only musician was a blind accordionist. I feel like if you would you couldn't see what was going on. It would still be kind of what was going on from however spoke. Do we Joel? But I mean, I guess even then like, you can't say, you don't know any of these people at least you won't be able to like. Yeah. That seek them from a lineup of. Yeah. I guess even if like that was pretty quick you can identify who was there. Yeah. So there's about fifty people at Collina's bowl and would hassle his the proprietor of the hotel. It was Holden says that it was very civilized was very proper. Mckenna gives us an alternative view of things of my was he there is he the accordionist. So the sauce known uses is book called the sins of the cities of the plain by Jacksonville. So this to be clear is a work of gay pornography is generally understood to be a fictionalized account of the life of a real male sex. Welcome mike. Remember this book written? I can't remember exactly it's still in the nineteenth century would have been off to this. Maybe like town twenty thousand two my question was like is it kind of at the time. And yet it's kinda. Yeah. Like, we could do a whole of are upset about this bug. I think the general consensus is that it's not written by this male sex worker. He was just for is one of the time he's involved in although queer core scandal catch the go on at this time. There are factual inaccuracies from this person's rely flu, we can document. So, you know, like, it's gone. It's finished. Why confucius? It's a work of fiction, but still unfunny as characters in this book. I mean, yes. Yeah. And my thought on that is probably is just because like they were famous figures from the queer underground. Yeah. Yeah. And maybe the right of a right has the book new them, maybe they didn't bigger. So in the book, Jack recounts, how he noticed at the ball that still an author was sneaking away from the party to go to a private room together. And he follows them and he's annoyed that he's like efforts to spy on them prevented from them having gone into a room looks the dual. But then he goes into the room next to this and his pleased to see that he can literally peer through the keyhole, and what happens there, why does he want to do with even reason like a porn book? They want to have a sexy in between still Bolton and author Clinton from famous trial now so that ecause like it's put in new akitas. Boop with like nor rule anything. To indicate that he should stay. This is like a factual. Of what happened? But. Yeah. And then there is as you would expect from of graphic work like quiet long elaborate sex scene where it describes still having sex with the husband. And that's the thing that we have which is interesting, I guess which meal mechanical sluice Garrahy courts rented lakes, doubling power roles. You know, when you're writing a historical account, and you realize the courts become too long, and you have to like he dented as its own power girl. There's like three of those owner. Yeah. I basically just included that to be like this this man full it's acceptable to do. Why why would you think that was it useful? I don't know. Here's a sad for lamb sent his early. Both read a book about his like this. Anyway, one night, they meet a young man called you Mandel. Okay. I am southern pronounced name you you'll liking this. It's not wrong. I was just remembering how confused I wasn't here. Dispenser. This on say it was going on his name. What is this the pirates a fun time? Surprisingly, fun time. Her nips said that it was being wildly moded. So one night you was out at the sorry theater. And is sitting in the theaters bar, and he sees two very feminine young men come in as he understands him to be at that time. So they all theoretically dressed as men at this point. But like the hair is very teased and the jackets have been altered. So that the waste comes in to make kind of algal bigger that clean-shaven which is not normal time is sometimes viewed on as being quite suspicious. I rouse a plug things like that. I'll tell why we fluctuate from decade to decade on with them enter to be. Yeah. And what that indicates about like, let's. Let's scale from ancient Rome to Victorian England. Okay. Is a beast. No, not that kind. I'm liking this leg Victorian, Android Janie. Look just saying. Yeah. That sounds great. And I'm sure they will. All right. And we should address them for parties. Hey, if we had a lake costume party one day like come pillow. Deficit on we throw queens as. Who's coming to the theater manager tells you that they are quote gay women dressed in men's clothes. So let's talk about gay. I guess so gay doesn't mean like you're like today. Actual have a sexual. Yes. Like old six Sewell. Yeah. So by gave women he doesn't mean like Lisbon's like the gays Mike we made it today in this podcast. You're not we. I went to not complaining. I know it, but we all gay. Are just broadly speaking anyway, for God's sakes. None of that business is not how these women are gay. Just having a fun cross relied that either it means kind of like morally loose. It's a term that is used to refer to sex whip is a lot like women. I was aware that it had moved from sex way to quit as many extra. Yeah. Which is such an interesting thing. I wish there was more specifically talking about the intersections between like culture in terminology communities of sex work, isn't Quimby. Yes. So you understand them to be kind of like women of loose morals, quote, unquote, potentially sex workers who address up in men's clothes because they're just that gay queer. But you know, just that like gay. Gay. And out for a night on the town. And you believes that the manager that though women and is just super fascinated with them when they leave the theater, he follows them to the next public or to just kinda creepy, frankly, you expect to the to human labor, but work he doesn't know how to speak to women small stupid boy. Yeah. Well, I mean it gets worse because he he puts them to the next Paul. And then he just kinda like stood for twenty minutes. Yeah. His quite creepy like not to excuse it. But you know, it is very much. It's like oh gosh. Like, I'm sorry faster. So beautiful. And that's not an okay thing to do still the leg. Just so we're not worried that us about electric like tranquil terrific. He's just a creepy, dude. Yeah. Like, he's just an effective ineffectual link Mandrell, and they noticed that and they sent him after a while we think you'll following us. And he replaces I think I am and then to come over and have drinks with them. And then I have a great night. Have a bunch of Schering's or whatever together they introduce themselves by their birth names. But they immediately start calling each other learn funny, and you is confused into slow fully suit in finding they meet up again a few days later on this time they dressed as women, and they give you a letter saying like, essentially, hi, just thinking are women dress up as women, and you was like hold that such a good joke, and they're like, no or like for real either. Like, that's what's happening, and he was like a high highway believe it and that it's like all right, then mate. And they dislike keep hanging out. Okay. Okay. So huge just convinced that what he I heard is. Right. And they are women who wrote us as men are. Now too stressed as women. I mean, possibly if he spent the whole night paying like had so attracted to these table. He has a lot to deal with it by turn out to be men dressed as women. I guess young down like he's really up to dealing with stuff. I feel like he might be ready to deal with that. He's just like no full context Twenty-three which I established from excuse like, I'm twenty four and I feel like I'm like being a human person. I feel like I can likes be civilized in a ball. Case the keep hanging out for a few days one night, they invite him to meet them. So he shows up and he goes to the private books there on day yet. And instead the front coupled or is there a few times Colo yet will recall? Color will shop a few more times than she's aims like solid friend. I can't cool. And you kind of says like, oh this really fascinating. And so unlike what's their deal, and she's like again tells him so like your than men, right? Like, that's the situation. And he's like, look maybe fannies, but I'm not believing about stellar just calm. The case. I guess color is also like, okay, buddy. I'm not touching this. Finding in stellar show up. They're already drunk. They've been pre drinking. Go on the pretty moshus. Most sounds of things. So they like interrupt the play with how much they like loudly tool. King giggling, the ogling men in the theater in smoking, which is very shocking for women to be doing in public daily waggling homes at men. Alike prospects, just kind of like generally making themselves known so yeah, they watched the play conduit. I guess and have a grand old time purely afterwards, they leave the box. Funny goes to the bathroom, and how's the attendant pinup the lakes Beck address? And then they get the carriage with you leaguer to drive home colada has not gone country is gonna do whatever call it wishes with hurry thing, this is like completely off topic. But I love the fact that obviously employed someone to hang out about through and help you with motor. Yeah. Yeah. That's how it was out. It was ridiculous and made about you hang out and be like Halloween whole by haunt like fix. My enclose this seventeen lays of them. And if I fell over won't be able to get off. Probably turn when they get rains won't because it's wounded. Heavy. So when it rain all screwed is animals. Whether sometimes they'll put out like a shape morning for certain areas. So all the phone can get mission. That's cute. I love shape, a great unbeknownst to stellar and funny. And of course to you who is a disaster. They have been followed three times the using you feel. I feel like I'm reading your readers. Tell her that this is your invention. Do you stare at them for twenty minutes or do you go to they'll be like? Hi, my name's you, can I buy you a drink. Well, obviously, I'll turn to page thirty three cents. So. Anyway of your exit. I like you can make fun of Lennox because it's not like a or anything different part of the country. Yeah. One day. We'll get another south sterling on this podcast, and there'll be nothing you can do about it. But anyway, guess unbeknownst to stellar and funding, and you they had been I've not mentioned. You ruined my very life. I'm gonna stop me upset again. Now. Siquijor? They've been trialled into the theater by plainclothes policemen. And now that the leaving one of them jumps into the carriage off to them says that he suspects them of being court, men and female attire and that he was arresting them. So he was awesome in this current is he's not going be much help does know how to deal with any situation. Now, you can't ball the call Galster. The policeman's deposition claims that they offered the officers sex in exchange for being met Gobert were fused and the go to the police station. I wonder if that really happened too. I can see it happening. I can taping. They were pretty drunk. Yeah. True. I mean there were also like potentially die, sir. Yeah. So you might as well try anything you can get here. Anyway, at the police station, they give the names and addresses and the policeman asks them why they did this. And they say, look, we're really sorry. We just did it for a bit of a law because going out of hand, which isn't true. Maybe very long the longest of all and then taken to a soul and forced to strip a crowd of policemen. Comes to watch them strip basically, just because they are such shocking normally has been arrested this night, you want to get to PlayStation has told that he can go. But he says that he warned he wants to stay with Diller in funny wants to make sure there are k on a good, man. He's a good boy. His useless. But then he refuses to give his name and address into their estimates. Well, had his put in the cell with darn funny. He is not forced to Strobe and they spend the night in the so the next morning. They are taken to court for a preliminary hearing, call Lada my fav- try to bring the both a suit to wear but was turned away. And they said like, no we're gonna make them with addresses. So they have to put on dresses from before especially can and try get themselves. A mob has somehow heard about this and gathered outside the courthouse to watch the cross over from the PlayStation into it. And the courthouse itself also packed full of people about this Paul. Torian twiddle guessing, you have a very effective postal service. Then you could send my alway three times. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Abs- the hearing they're accused of buggery conspiracy to commit buggery and cools others to do. So and also with outraging public decency and corrupting public morals through appear in public wearing women's clothes. I have to say conspiracy to commit buggery is just hilarious phrase to me like you picture these people like Etta title in dog room, plotting Idelson. And it wasn't just, but I think that is exactly the type of scenario that trying to stir up in the public mind picturing specifically plotting to lure impressionable young men. Tomatoes ex probably if you're talking about the end spiracy side of the charge like you. Anyway, at the hearing still an funding also learned that this house an being a chance arrest from officers who just happen to see them at night. They learned that they have been trailed for year and that for several weeks, there has been a plain clothes policeman outside the house. Why don't they along? Long. True civilians. What was the as soon as you arrest them? Like, it's not like they have to prove anything. They can be like, look, she's he's whatever the cop is going to say where an address and have a penis. Like, I think the thing about that though is that like Stella has been arrested where everyone's close before while she was doing sex work, and like not much really tends to come of that like, it's a misdemeanor. I socialists find once I believe, but like it doesn't really go anywhere really serious yet. But if I can get up evidence of buggery than they can go to jail for quite a long time, and he's a long jail sentence, doing hard labor. Oh, he's a death sentence to get more on them than just I address as women and it's possible as well that they are trying to get information on like network of by. And like, we do know that they were part of a yes, a shadowy that work. Yes, they also allow the police have raided the harm and gone through their clothes. And picked up all the letters and so forth there in Collado has also managed to find a boy of them in the Showtime and love Colorado, Connor color. Just get stuff done. Yeah. She's like, I'm gonna have a bull. I'm gonna find a lawyer at midnight. Is great. I love I want to know more colors. Do you like what her son? I mean. It's like could we hypothetically research back home, and I do know what her legal name. Well. Okay. So we could find yes, we can go. If you like the lawyer that Collado provided is also the impression as colada was as darn funny weather, this has been a chance arrest his not really prepared to defend them from this evidence. It comes out that the season just like something they did one night for Juerg like that. But it's been a habitual alive for at least a year. And saw the decision is. Well, no, you have stained jail twittering to take this to a proper trial. They are then taken to a backroom of the courthouse where three policemen a a witting full them. They in that room are subjected to a quote, unquote, medical examination that is unnecessary and invasive and coal vises sexual assault. If you don't wanna. Here that we want for the top of the cost, but I won't for it. Again, feel free to skip ahead a bit or stub listening. Now, I found this stuff really really I thought it was awful in the room. They ordered to undress step behind the screen bend over stole. And then there agencies are examined and the docto into fingers into them. The doctors deposition said that neither of them often any resistance, although he also said that that would tell that if they didn't comply court force would be used. So you can imagine that this is going to be very frightening end humiliating into basis for these two people the reason for this is that the medical establishment of the time has this kind of own going interest in the physicality Hove men who have anal sex with other men, so sorta might says they would call them. But like that we don't do. And the police in this case, I interested in utilizing this particular area of medicine to prosecute funny. Stella so the doctor is Dr James Thomas pool, which are all first names. I guess soon James gold. Dr James Thomas poll was a doctor who went to the police. So he look after officers in imprisons in that area as a student. He had studied under dubbed. Alfred swing Taylor. Who is the father one forensics, and I guess must have had some valuable stuff to say about medicine, but this isn't it and he in his work had discussed cases of again, what he called sorta mites with deformed rectums. So in examining one such person he wrote quote state of the rectum, lift no doubt of the abominable practices to which his individual had been addicted. It was noticed by oh presence of the aperture of the Agnes was much wider and larger than natural the rue guy or folds of skin which gave the pocket appearance to the annual aperture had quite disappeared. So obviously like this isn't real this doesn't happen to human body. So they're interested in finding such. School evidence on the buddies Stella infighting, like what the hell is frankly. Yeah, it's completely no based in fact in based on like crazy, misguided phobia and transphobia Stella and funnier are examined by Dr Paul and he testifies in court that the same evidence is found on their bodies said the answers of very slacken easily to insert objects into the folds are very large and rough and Hato two. I had doctor Poulter he clarifies this could be caused by the insertion of a man's person. He also adds Furthermore to their penises were elongated and misshapen so contemporary medical discourse. Also understood the painters of men as I understood them who had anal sex with other men would deformed by the honor sheer and hence perversity of penetrating and Amos like guess and were therefore made monstrous in some proportion again. Obviously, this doesn't happen. And I know the no one thinks that, but I just feel like it's necessary to very thoroughly be like, this is all completed quack science, and it's disgusting. Yeah. Look having Hainault six tells them physically Thome you into. Wolster doesn't to form your body and Tonnerre additives safe and good, sir. Like go forth. If you. So they returned to jail for a week. And then they come to trial again during this week. The newspapers are full of stories about them cooling them things such as the young men person aiding women currently impersonating from the thing is personally only twenty feather, the hermaphroditic gang and the money. He she ladies which are all like, really hopeful tone. So quite good. Hermaphrodite gang gang is that you get to be like the conspiracy to buggery success. This weird sense about it, which is moral panic like shadowing of sort of my seal going to seduce, the young men of England and destroy the main since I guess. So they go back to court and this time they appear in suits members of the public queued for hours to get into the court, and like peering from every possible vantage point, but the top it includes some of their friends will just make filler queer people who've heard this is going on and this contingent Lowery actual the proceedings in. It's just kinda like vocally supportive of finance. Delo whole like booze stuff on like the toll to restrain themselves. They do all good friend with auto people known for restraining. So a lot of the testimony that goes on us move in referring to throughout this episode. We're going to run through it in a particular legal ways. Mention a few things so interesting so one interesting witness. He is George Smith who is a former police officer to goes down and be love the Burlington, arcade, which sounds like something from a children's novel. But is like he's much worse than than what did you say beetle? You know, like in Sweeney total. Sort of like small time warned for smell like doubt police market. So like his like, maybe cut budget security type thing like helix office. Okay. They make sure that nothing that shouldn't be happening as can. Allegedly tell them in a positive many through her friend out of the Cade. He was also meant to throw out any sex workers who with is not only still little Cermak sister. Because what whoever was there because they were kind of seen as like bringing down the tournament the place. I guess. Yeah. Sometimes he does sometimes he doesn't throw them out. 'cause he's fired for accepting tips from court some of the gay ladies who patronized the Cade. So there's that would gay. In that sense. Again, he looked quite openly admitted that he did this is essentially taking bribes. Okay. I guess that's what you just like a stent big. I mean, I'm sure I'm sure that like it's also to my about your mental lie about it. Yeah. Is breaking the law, and like very Stanton, except why wouldn't admit that in court, not only did he admit that he was being bribed, but he was drunk at the trial. Council. Ru let slip that he'd been getting up evidence for the police four days before the arrests that phrase kind of suggested his fabricating evidence for the place. He's ruining that hifu central. Yeah. He's trashing their case because even worse than you at like being functional humanism he led a tries to go back on that and say like, no, no, no, no, no. That's not the day. I wasn't doing it then. But like, you said he also mentioned that he was paid to appear in court, which also seems like something you probably shouldn't have mentioned, and this just kind of a bit of a disaster. The prosecuting attorney also growth through a long list of dresses, and so forth. It had been found in. There literally is like red Schule blue velvet reads massive list out which is quite comical to me. And you like have them in the courtroom and not all of them. I think but he does kind of like parade some items of clothing around interestingly in amongst all of this like feminine Mataya. There's this like big fake you'd. A few times. Just fell that. Gradient is probably a convincing like piece of evidence in that defense. If then they can just be like, look we had a bunch of deal props costumes room somehow. Whole war that offense kind of said, well that can hardly be like included as evidence for them personally women and the prosecuting attorney says, but it is evidence that they are trying to deceive. Job. And Neil McCann actually has a quite interesting section. He talks about like pulse. Bowl ways that transparent and people anyone assign male both who wanted to get moves clothing could go about doing so at this time. Okay. So obviously as we will lead to the wardrobe of women at the time was huge water, very complicated stuff and a lot of these comments very difficult for peoples mail both to acquire again. This is something that Neo doesn't really like the source will. But I think that a lot of it is just quite logical. And yes, I was fine with it. So he says, you know, some of it could have been purchased while they're in dragged is kind of hoping that they are convincing enough to convince shopkeepers that they all says gender women. Others could be born a costume stools paps, especially things like gloves and shoes which would go to get in size that they would have needed. They could also had things custom-made or at least halted because there were a million seamstresses in London. And then we're from very poor and couldn't afford to be too key about what? What took all or us too many questions and then also secondhand shops and patents. So both Ciller and fanny would do each other's hair. Which nice. Nice. I wonder about how they would how did you have given that everyone. I know you can do anything complicated with lead from you issue. Pro magazine. Here. Also, like, the, you know, they're in figures alcohols and serve Paul. Turn that little so just like a lot of trial and error. Like, I didn't have a computer in my house until I was in my teens and those definitely low of like just figuring out like you. Go tile when you held job. He was kinda like sit around me. They would also actually sometimes have a hitter succumbed to the house. So this is the thing that Victoria today would hit us. Oh, come to them. Do they have for a thing though, wearing out too because they hand pieces with very elaborate in needed provisional help. We also know that they used large quantities of wanting searches like Nick material, I guess in order to create the appearance of breasts. I mean, like vision women in Muktar definitely this too. Yeah. Well, this various means by which to do this, maybe darn funny employed. Tony's methods. So for example, the registered bust improver patented in eighteen forty nine which was air proof inflatable material, which you put in your. Yeah. I was away. I've people just using like pattern material and also using like why I kind of. Yeah. But I didn't know that they hadn't flexible, they did French sex workers assign mail it both. But who dressed as women whilst working would also use the trick of inflating boiled sheep's lungs. Disgusting. Why would you not just us material? Why would you use? If you like you click like you soak socks Daniel top. He shoves sheep's among the top. Yeah. I guess you might be especially if you're a sex Waco, someone whilst you're wearing whatever you using to had your bra brawl, whatever at that time, my actually try and feel your breasts and as sheep's lung, I guess heels Malek a human brisk than some. I agree that putting sheep's down just shoot is kind of gross. Harper how between skiing then? Route it up. Yeah. I mean, you think something played kind of hold it. Yeah. You know, it was kinda like just drop a shot of the best. But anyway, we have a court from a doctor who perhaps treated these sex workers. I'm not sure how it came as quite. But it was funny. So I'm gonna include it saying, quote, one of the prostitutes complained to me the other day that a cat had either one of his breasts. I was kind of picturing them like getting home at the end of the day and fry boobs. Anyway. So now, we need to go back to the invasive medical exams whilst their trials going on the kept get Joe and the captain solitary confinement. So as not to infect the presence after Dr polls examination the defense had had another doctor examine them, and that doctor said that there was no evidence of Saudi on the bodies. The evidence Saami thing was fake. Yes. The result of this is the decision that has to be a quote, unquote, impartial examination. So another examination will be performed. And it's going to be one that we can all agree on. So for this one six doctors present four months three detectives to medical woodley's solicited and a man from treasury manager return. Sure, he's representing government has an official interested in this. And again, I just like to reiterate, how frightening it would be to be not twenties and be held in solitary confinement in prison, and then to be brought into a room full of a whole host of mealy twenty people and forced to strip and so forth. So they with lay down on couches that naked covered with sheets. It's mentioned the like the men brought a magnifying glass specula- Mus like home thing the medical examination Gore's for over two hours. What? Yep. With the six Dr. This all repeatedly and setting the fingers into the prisoners which assigned from Alec mentally taxing. This would have been I assume to two hours. This was also quiet physically painful, five of the six doctors conclude to there is no proof all on that what he's truly us because that's on how the 'lobbies off. Yeah. It's what noting that at least officially the doctors had actually been able to examine the anisinov that many men who have sex with men the official line at the time is that Amos Hixon really happened in Britain as more of a French thing. Especially not men being penetrated not something that the bridge would do. So of course, even if they have had patients who have been to this which of likely. It's not something that they're going to say. Oh, yeah. I've seen the Amos's of a hundred men. Trated like, it's just not that's not the British image. Yes. It's also consider that they call it really disagree because these undermines medical already on this matter. So if six doctors examined starring penny and say three of us mis-throw saying that the whole authority of the medical profession to be knowledgeable about this matter into touch on a mind yet. So you might remember still is husband offer mission for some time based married, that's a complicated question. So the deal is that he can't appears as in point from Neal's book into his comes up again the trial, and the reason he gives for this is that author and funny have a wanted stand to go. That still them is very angry at them and breaks contact with both of them eventually reconciled with Benny, but doesn't seem to reconcile with all the evidence for this. I think is just that one of the maids at the boardinghouse mentioned seeing funding sleeping in office bid, but not normal. So I I don't really know if though like what the deals they seem to be together anymore but link why since when after darn funnier arrested it takes five weeks for the warrant officer arrest to begin. This is presumably because he is a load and therefore has connections. So then prime minister was his godfather. Doc connections. And when the warrant for his arrest is given hey, flees England, repulsive, his death soon appear in the newspapers generally stating that he died of scarlet fever, the given the timing. We have to consider the possibility that he committed suicide and his funeral is helpful often. They're all however, rumors for years afterwards. He's been spotted in various places in the he had faked his death that doesn't seem particularly likely to me. But you'll McKenna spent a while on I mean possible from scan only but in any case, he's never really had again. Just one example of the mentions of him faking his own death in eighteen seventy nine the Clarence and Richmond, examined and New South Wales. Advertise says that he's been hiding in Australia fight us to oblige his family. So maybe he is his live here. And we are his we just do not other relatives in your family with the Senate Clinton would've changed to a different. Yeah. He could be in this. Under the desk. Anyway, my nice guy. Anyway. Oh, yeah. He doesn't give me. I guess he also might have been like well life is pretty over. Now. Also. Time to move to Australia in July, eighteen seventeen attorney general has learned funny. Let out on bail and for year. It seems like the trial is just never going to continue during this time Stiller and finally disappear from the public eye Maderno at the door. However, they are actually pulled back to cold. They get a bit of solicitor this time, or at least two who has more time to prepare which is Jorge Luis. And he is quite savvy. He has a very dipped hand turning around scandals was still unfunny come to the court having put on the appearance of being serious Jiangmen. So they have grown facial hair. And the defense also constantly refers to them use of boys really emphasizing how yet mail the attorney general gives opening speech steadying at the popular understanding is that a crime has been committed and their job is to a session with this is true. He hopes that they going to be able to decide in the negative nor because he's protective funding still are things done. Anything wrong or anything like that? But he hopes that what they have come to represent which is that, you know, sorta me is rife in the motherland. It's not true. So we've actually kind of gone over the bulk of what goes on in this trial. So again various witnesses give testimony such as dill's mother and Mondo closer to the court. But none of this is particularly troubling for the defense. First of all with you meadow. For example, obviously he can testify that yet. They do go around where I was close. But he also very adamantly says that he didn't have sex with them and also testifies that they repeatedly told him that they women. I mean, he actually doesn't he? Yeah. But yeah. And as mentioned shows mother puts a face of respectability on the pale also like we've that close being brought out letters on they'd Rin being read out and so forth like these are full of feminine terms Necker fictional, each other and so forth. But there's no like details of all of the six that having these days, and it's been going on for a very in the public's had time to get bored of that. And they want the details of like jetty deviant, six its promise to them. Energised isn't forthcoming. It's also a matter where the Beadle is there, and he. He still not convincing mass. And so the prosecution looks increasingly corrupt the familiar evidence of how bodies show signs of soda me. Comes up and Dr poll in the courtroom hasn't his pocket book that is one of influential medical of the time that goes or reveal this being a thing jokes about the signs, you can find on people's bodies, I fall, and he's asked about it NAS about when he read it, and what is interest wasn't it and so forth, and he kind of refuses to give straight officer like you sort of indicated that he was reading it before they were arrested, and then tries to back on it and so forth, and it kind of ends up with the impression that he has been kind of like preparing what to say about their bodies to help get them, convicted his also criticized by the defense for having no right to examine the prisoners as he dumb, basically, saying, you know, this is no different than if you took any random off the street and said, I have right to make used naked and be examined. Whether I like born off the people like that. Way of mine. Yeah. It's also said they should have had the right to have a doctor that using present to intervene in this matter did not give them that. Right. And it's explicitly said by the attorney general to the jury that the conduct of don't Opole was inappropriate another should pay any attention to his guys. Kind of throughout the kegs. Who saw if what this coke is doing one of the things it's doing is kind of testing Howell medical schools can interact with the war in terms of prosecuting queer people the answer that seems to come out of it is actually it's not very influential Conroy be used in court to this. And this is really the only cool Catholic this that I'm aware of serve for example. This isn't that comes up trials this man like medical evidence were really coming out. Habitually devoe such trials. The jury deliberated for only an hour after her of this evidence. And then they find the milk guilty on counts. Stella thanks and erupts into choose. Aw. No scared. No, it's it's very that's kind of it. So we don't actually know a lot about their lives after the trial's again. Most of the reason why we knew them is because of this trial of two months after it still advertisers in the paper for an actor to play the leading Matt heroin in place, and she finds a guy cool Lewis Monroe's name actions place together, I like the chiefs too like performing a woman on stage like yeah. And she continues to like sometimes be pot will receive sometimes milta- well received once when touring around together a riot breaks out. They have to flee eventually, they part ways, and she continues to with her brother instead acting. Okay. I mentioned right at the top of the podcast that funding had a brother, Harry quia. And that we know that because he was implicated in a trial thorn. Yeah. So he fled off to a riposte Collins and living several years and during Benny instill trial p base we dug up by the police, and he's a prison sentence. He's released from prison in July of eighteen seventy one and Harriet funny gore to America together the leaving land behind and she also keeps acting doing small parts generally dresses one I want this. She has when they can just make less to slaving wind. Yeah. Presumably, they will widow this place. At the end of eighteen seventy three still also goes to America. She changes his stage name the from using holy name to the name Ernest vine possibly because she's sick of the notoriety of always being still from petrol still from trial of you know, from that. And then, you know, the Acton you'll do not made in America kinda says the groove people continue to say, oh, my God, you still so good at acting Makamba leave it she's not quote unquote, really yet. So things kind of continue much as they happen in her crew before the trial. But that's really all we know about the rest of their lives in eighteen eighty one funny passes away, she's been well for quite some time being careful by a watchmaker and his wife the death. Get doesn't have a Kohl's which potentially means that it was syphilis. She was thirty four years old who so young. Yes, she was very young Harry head also passed away. A few alia is laid to rest beside him still. And her brother changed this to blue and tour for twenty two years together as the brothers Blair. They're never like famous active, but they have like steady work some of the time. That's how they make their living in nineteen or three she falls ill. And she dies a year later that the fifty four we can return now to the question if we like what exactly that gender identity is. I don't feel like I haven't oval to say than I did at the start. You know, obviously this stuff that you could use as evidence for them being trans women such as using female names and presenting as women live in the marriage between Stiller author and so forth. But I do feel like those restrictions on not having really anything from that point of view and so forth. Having a victim. I think one into consider is the level of risk that was associated with them dressing as women and presenting women, you know, being part of this cuisine and everything like, why would they take this risk? I think a question you have to ask underway generally, presented by Neil McKenna is that they would just gay men. This feminine identity and kind of feminine presentations with Stewart important, but that the not women that the game in this is a gay man like shore, you know, like I don't have personal about. But like, obviously that's a thing that exists like even to daddy has daily direct correlations. No mcaddo seemed to kind of make this correlation. Like, you absolutely can be game in who's more comfortable in traditionally feminine, quite on that. Yeah. Man. Like, it's Stu fairly common in some corners of the game. L seeing today to refer to each other by nicknames marshy opponents like that's not an unthinkable thing for them to be two gay men identified as men, but for whom this was just how social worked in other articles talking about them. Do they bring up the possibility that transgender or do I just kind of be like these game in women? It's not something that's really been explored in scholarship. I'm not gonna Clement obscene every source, which let us cost. I did not. I'd say a single mention that there might be and so breaking ground tonight. I can't think of any solid Evans than all tracks, women, frankly. But I think like the reason why people tend to hold down on the side of them being gay man is just because that seen as being like inherently will believable in the being transparent fight unless we have cle- transmit one written down. I am a woman like they have a fix said that I remember is discussing this when we had pool a Murray who wrote a bunch about wanting to transition being. Capable. So this all the is lesbian. So these a lesbian and your disrespecting the community if you call them at transplant, I feel specially like there are certain curious of history or certain context in which that like gender and sexual attraction were say as much more linked than ways than now is certainly the case that in the Victorian period the goals at the time about sexuality, and especially about homosexuality Lincoln agenda visualize it, especially as undermining mining sex, gender binary. So for example, the English woman's domestic magazine. There was not the slightest dealt with England is hastening towards the border, which divides the sexes already persons of overstepped it instead to learn hated despised. So this demand line. Is Hans came to coach. Cheerful the English woman's domestic doesn't know about that. But yeah, like eight something that is an exotic at the time that the boundary between the sexes being rooted. Also, interestingly we've discussed how the bodies of people's Mela both who have sexual men of alive in the medical discourse at the time. And Dr Alfred went Taylor who we've mentioned previously in that examination that I quoted from about all that ludicrous Stoff about the anus being used in the fold having disappeared on so forth conclude that examination saying that this pot was the lady of the female will. A new McKenna recognize this as well saying that the patient in that case had quote by the mysterious alchemy of sorta me effectively become a woman new McKenna's writing a lot of fun. It really genuinely is specifically regarding funny instill this interesting stuff with kennel writes about Dr Johnson, one of the six doctors who examined them modeling over how feminine their bodies. And concluding that quote that could be no doubt that such practices long at he to long indulged might very well, Linda, permanent air willingness to any man. And that's like part of why I'm really frustrated with his lack of citing is if this is something that this person actually noted a truck bombing. It's really significant that could also be flavor text. I am thinking a little bit. We've had a lot of discussions before about the sort of societal shift. We've had in the last probably hundred years from conceptualizing like same sex assigned sex. This is problem gravy Asli Spain traded as like something you do yet. And now we've taken it on this sort of identity, and it feels like this -ociety easing that kind of weird middle zone with Genda by con decide whether it's inherent YouTube. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting goes, much scholarship to go if you believe Gendis inherent, and it's tied to your physical. Yeah. Objectively isn't website. Does not have a winter. But at the same time, they believe that doing feminine acts. If you consider to be a feminist, you tell about ROY too. Doing acts makes your body more physically feminine. It's like they kind of haven't, you know, I I where where we think of that kind of like biological essentially as your body makes your gender, and they're like, oh, no, no, no. If you did enough eminent bins Marty? Thanks. Thanks. And so what did they actually think comes? I do they think that some quote, unquote, men were inherently in them mind somehow famine until I started dressing as women sleeping with men. And then their body goes became feminine. Or like, how did they conceptualize is? I mean, I guess like from what I read it seems to be honest of this as like a vice that you went Olshan, but eventually in just fundamentally changed you another. Why this much fear that unit? Good upstanding, young men will get involved because they can change his way. So I guess the thought there has to eight under like, everyone is potentially susceptible to this like a good, upstanding young man could be Louis into this vice and feminizing by it's not that they would necessarily already inherently feminine. I mean. Yeah, I think it's the kind of thing will like if you sat down has been a lot of time on this. You could probably find a number of conflicting discourses interestingly, there's a lot of struggle in the court of what around should be used. So they won't try. Scripts filled with someone ready done he crossing running. She and McDonald's don't want to use and the Daily Telegraph and the illustrated London news, both decide when they're at the articles about it to you. She said in an old though that they nor if any instill a men, she was, nevertheless, the predominant pronoun used in core seem to this to us, and you see this time and time again with people noting that like even when they quote, unquote, Noor finance Ila man that is Komba leave it, and they still continue to believe that they women. And so regardless of how the identity of in the eyes of society become women. Yeah. So it's kind of a side the point of how they dentist by like, this is transient story. So the point I kind of wanted to end on was on how I think it's really important to consider this as a part of trans history of gate history. Because this aspects of the story that I think becom more interesting or at least differently interesting when considered. In that white. So I wanted to bring up to examples of things that I think interesting because they explicitly Virk. I the morning discourse about transferable or they vote conversations with Saint elsewhere when we talk about transistor. So for example, this several mentions throughout new McKenna's text both from him and saving from primary sources that there might be some kind of biological reason for that femininity specifically kind of being like, maybe they're intersex. And if something that wave saying come up before and the do come quite often with translates figures pulling Mari, for example, you can go listen to to put up a soda on him. But we strongly identified as a man and full them must be somewhere in his abdomen. Testicles Kolding this feeling that had to be a biological underlying reason that gave liberty to feelings. We also in the upset of Michael Dylan talked about a trans woman. He knew cold, but. Cow, and she wrote a autobiography in which she lied and said that she was intersex is way to validate horn transit. This is like a through line experiences a loss injury. I think that we're kind of like missing out on a bunch of examples of that probably by considering stuff like Stella to be nothing to transpeople. Yeah. Throughout the Cole case framed as being deceptive end because of the -ception malicious, and this is also an attitude that we unfortunately often say today, we're gonna trans women. I think the best example of this is the public reaction to funny using the women's restroom than that. She was arrested a penny pamphlet that was published shortly after they went to trial lingo, this is the most offensive Tel-Aviv entire case stating that if a man can quote by Shuming feminine gob in full his way with impunity into the chambers. It of pop rock country women than we call upon bowl and Justice to Adolf in exposing these outrages on decency that in by transphobic possum yesterday on Twitter. Yes. Always shockingly modern yet, unless you're kind of thinking of this as a of transistor potentially wouldn't folks on that at all if it's kind of like endless unbelievable that they could be gay men going to consider a possibility am, I don't think there is a point at which like there's a clear like particular set of behaviors away to about yourself that is unique at this time to like Quim transmitted people. And so my point with this one is less like, hey, I think that transplant and I want to reclaim them from gay men and the history and more just that we need to start incorporating trans history just kind of into gate history. The, you know, we need to kind of be like, hey with a lot of individuals win not really going to be able to draw a line in the end there. And I just wanted to go out onto that that when trans history is acknowledged as like existing it's often articulated as being subsumed into obeying footnote gay history. So like, maybe a transposing existed in the night century, but they're completely indistinguishable gay people when the coach is really just gay culture point. And so then not really that much was talking about we don't really have to disclose too much and so forth, and I think from the few brief examples of just gone through. It should be reasonably clear that if we were inclined to and win ought he would be just as easy to construct it. The other way around and say gay history doesn't exist is just a pot of trans history. Yeah. Especially on the Victorian era. Went light crossdressing was such a big pot of que-. I think it's important that considering transit street doesn't mean it's not also a pot of gate history. Why and Neva group needs to claim these people at the exclusionable of? Yeah. Yeah. 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The Human Body Survival Guide

The Science Show

07:45 min | Last week

The Human Body Survival Guide

"And now for something completely different. No not that no. After all the warriors in this sign show even more as you look out the window or turn on the news here's a fellow to help you survive over to you George. Hello. My Name is George Ivanov author of the Human Body Survival Guide. With this book on looking at all the weird and wonderful things about our bodies and all the gross stuff as well. My name has been to try and make signs fun and accessible for kids. So although the human body survival guide contains information on biology medicine, medical technology, and so forth, I presented in a quirky and humorous way. The idea is that the information is being related by fictional character someone that young readers can identify with. Thirteen year old boy obsessed with computer games. He gets to make comments and jokes about the information and even makes pop culture comparisons along the way. In this book he has to do a school project about the human body, but he's really squeamish I'm thinks everything about the human body is gross and horrible. But since he has to residual this information, he's determined to share it with others. So I'll read a little bit now from chapter one to give you an example. The wrapping. Your skin is like the rapping that keeps all your grossness from view except of goals that your skin has grossness all of its own. From a distance, it may look. Okay. But get closer and you'll find all sorts of icke stuff from pimples to wards to boils not to mention pause and oil and sweat and Oh mg if you look at it under a microscope. And as you get older, your skin starts to wrinkle you get ring clear and ring clear until you look a bit like a prune. On the bright side, it does keep your insides inside. Imagine if you didn't have any skin and all your guts and other innards were hanging out all over the place poking out between your bones and muscles. On just freaked myself out with that image. was telling you. Oh Yeah. Skin also regulates your temperature and keeps jumps out and it's pretty good at repairing itself, which is really handy. So there is a definite focus on the gross in this book because kids love that sorta stuff. So, this book contains we and Poo and Snot and spew it has secretions excretion and it has parasitic infestations. In fact I'm going to read you about my favorite parasitic infestation. EYELASH MITES EYELASH MITES are microscopic parasitic bugs they live in and around the hair follicles of your eyelashes or in the subconscious glands actually despite their name, they also live in and around your eyebrows as well. They are arachnids and have eight legs they feed on dead skin cells and skin oils. More. Than fifty percent of people have them on their eyelashes and most of the time it's not a problem but occasionally, some people might get an infestation. With an infestation, you might get itching brittle eyelashes, the break and fall off or a burning sensation. Infestations are treated by using special wipes and a cream to kill the MITES. Gross things in his book are rated with a gross meantime from completely on grows through two totally ultra gross the eyelash minds by the way, they get a rating of disgustingly gross. Over the course of the our character comes to realize just how amazing and cool the human body actually use that it's versatile and adaptable. It has an incredible capacity to repair itself and it can also be a bit weird which means that I could include you know all bits of information such as race. Scientists say quote the human body literally glimmers. According to a two thousand nine study by scientists at the Tokyo Institute of Technology in Japan Human Beings. It's just that are human is a two week to see the light, which is one thousand times lower than the sensitivity of our is. The study was conducted by putting people into a light proof room and photographing them with spatial light sensitive cameras. So, the book contains a whole bunch of little snippets like this with information from you know biochemical limbs to cochlear implants from nose picking to human hamels search something for everyone I guess. As. An awesome. This book has been really interesting I'm not a scientist. I'm not a doctor I'm a writer who just happens to be interested in science. So since I'm not an expert in the field with an amassed body of knowledge, I had to do lots of research and I adore doing research on subjects I'm interested in it's one of the things about being kids author. So I read a lot of books about biology visited a stack of medical websites and then also worked cross-referencing will that information to make sure that I had multiple sources every fact that I included in the book Overall. Had A lot of fun with the research and the writing. So I thought I'd finish things up with my favorite bids. Wherever we go. We leave bits of ourselves behind we lose strands of hair every day we don't clip our fingernails and toenails we leave behind. We leave fingerprints when we touch things. Then there's all that spit when we sneeze and cough about what's the grossest stuff that we leave behind and Redo it all the time. Did. Skin. Lots of animals like snakes and lizards shed their skin as they grow. That's not what humans do we do it bit by Bit You drop about thirty to forty thousand dead skin cells every minute. That's a lot of skin. Georgieva Nov. in Melbourne, with his deliciously gross book, the Human Body Survival Guide out in paperback soon. But now available in picturesque car back.

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Ep. 41: Turning up the Heat With Yeli and Yu, Cubs Brewers Weekend

90 Miles Podcast

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Ep. 41: Turning up the Heat With Yeli and Yu, Cubs Brewers Weekend

"Woah to welcome to the new best rivalry in baseball welcome to another episode of ninety miles podcast miles from chicago wrigley field to new milwaukee miller park or whatever it's called now wrigley north is probably a better name ninety miles apart self million okay yeah so here. We are taking over in chicago. Oh yeah good luck doc with that but there's gonna be some fans there. It's going to be closer to a couple. Maybe well. It's <hes> here. We are what <hes> august thirtieth. It's been <hes> yes boy. It's been back. They're gonna play <hes> yes. It's been an exhausting season. They're playing actually they will have started the game before. We finished recording this. I believe so yeah probably so milwaukee will be smoking cubbies yeah right but yeah. I feel bad for you so there's that i mean yeah i do. Why <hes> you know because i mean it's. It's gonna be fun twitter being too much much of a fan boy. Is that why yeah well. There's that for one for two brewers probably won't make the playoffs so that's kinda sad kind of a sad postseason for you. I know you know it's always rough but <hes> yeah that's that's mainly shut up shut up only four games back after the suit the cubs game or a game and a half out of the wildcard card depending on what's going on right there right. They're all there for the taking you know. At least the did it did help a little bit by <hes> pounding the mets this week so you're welcome help. That doesn't help anything anything. Well card a little bit. I mean they were they the mets in the main well well unless i mean they could go on a run but they did they. They have lost six in a row now so i they may be but you know thinning thinning that wild card race out is going to help the brewers i mean of course i mean you you. You still got philadelphia and washington though at all you know thanks for doing us a favor. We appreciate you're welcome. You're welcome. Just you know trying to ah trying to keep you off suicide watch. That's all so mental reset. That's right. We did that last week last week. We talked about it. I've come to terms with what this team is. It's you know at the state there and their average so okay cubs they're above average bridge so and a hell well. We're going to do in the postseason. They got swept by the nets snow granted. The nationals are absolutely smoke showed. It was ridiculous. Well milwaukee took two to three from arizona. They did what they had to do. Then they get the stupid cardinals yeah the cardinals still trying to figure out still trying to figure out how they're doing this. It's like smoking mirrors and magic. I don't i don't understand cardinals. Cardinals cardinals are no annoying yeah very annoying so there's been incredibly hot you know if this was last year and it was milwaukee being this hot yeah. You'd be tearing him to shreds well. We got a month more yet here of season before postseason so maybe maybe the nats and cardinals are gonna burn through this hot streak. I can see that happening but also i still look at our teams and i don't see this going anywhere postseason or a speaker so for your team but you you know oh dr rich as is going to carry the eastern coast. Oh no no. I mean i you know we i wanna talk about postseason prospects for the cubs. I mean there's there's some different issues that no. I think darvish darvish could definitely be a big piece of that. I i'm more concerned concerned. You know if we're talking about being concerned about any start as probably be lester who is <hes> you know then dinged up a little bit here and nair this season. <hes> perhaps perhaps his age catching up with him. I don't know <hes> that's he'd be the most concerning pitcher in regards coasts cole hamels giving up another eight spot or something crazy why i'd be more concerned of leicester giving up an eighth spot then hamels <hes> although yeah i mean there's <hes> concern there with hamels but less so i think more concerned with with leicester <hes> but you got you got hendrix <hes> and <hes> yeah darvish darvish has been. I guess so you can go into it you. I know you wanted me to tell you darvish darvish take. Let's get it out of the way yeah because i'm gonna have to a shower gross but yeah well well. You should probably not as much as a cold shower before you talked about that would have probably stay calm through the segment. Take a cold shower before looking at yelich in the the recent <hes> body sir. You probably added roxanne right yeah yeah. He's it is yeah. I are you trying to body shame christian yelich journey. Yes you really are you that uncomfortable with your mask. No no no actually locate athletes and their body and you know think about it for a minute. I don't know where you're going with this. I actually haven't looked out shia probably the wrong. I think you're going the wrong way there yeah but yeah but i'm just making myself. Tapie sounds like no. I haven't actually <hes> looked <hes> but i know there is <hes> the guy i mean he basically there's i don't know as you're paging through burs twitter a couple of days ago. There's christian yelich alden a bat with well. I've yeah i mean at least the brewers got some attention there. I mean the cubs of <hes> well hobby by has did that before and then <hes> jake arrieta did that back <hes> i think it was at sixteen ah so now i see you're afraid to look at the elhage photos because you think you might look better than i. I doubt that i'm but i'm not gonna go there. I haven't looked at bias or arrietta ones. It's just you see the you know the female tweet about it a bit so you he's just see and hear by feed. Exactly pictures kept coming up. Who's who cares would ever ever but twenty twenty eight years old a millionaire and had that body. I'd do it to you. Don't just slipped into conflict. Wow this is like a phone conversation more than the podcast yeah exactly yeah now. I gotta mar anyway yeah well <hes> speaking of showers so let's get back to darvish <hes> we got that out of the way you don't need to talk about that anymore this episode so okay <hes> f so yeah darvish though he's he's done something pretty incredible this this year i mean i know you had <hes> i i was. I was pretty hot on darvish. In the year. I was optimistic. I go back to her training. Yeah because you know i looked at some things and you know his strikeout rate and you know his spin rate type <hes> analytics and all this assist assist. There's there's something powerful there but but obviously he came in to the season <hes> you know having not basically pitched a whole year and in and of course was was a little rough yet some control issues <hes> early on in fact <hes> what what was it he had thirty three walks walks in thirty six and two thirds innings in his first eight starts as rough yeah. You know what you of course. I'm sure pointed that out to me numerous times in those early episodes early this season. We just talked about how terrible he was. Okay well. How's this for terrible. Since the all-star break he has been ridiculous. So <hes> <hes> in nine nine starts and salzer bakkies got a he's pitched a two point nine three e. r. a. point eight whip <hes> fifty fifty five and a third innings he struck out seventy two and have walked three three walks in fifty five another talk streak yeah. That's that's. That's a crazy stretch there. I mean he does give up occasionally homerun now and then still which is is where that's at two point nine three are a <hes> but still that's i mean everyone's giving up home runs this year juice ball. I mean what sure do but <hes> <hes> he's been that good for that length of time it somehow he still has a four point two five on the season that was early to do that. Like i said the first thirty six and two thirds innings. He walked thirty three. I mean those walks turned into runs. That really hurt as very early but i think it's interesting that he leaves the league in a couple of key categories as well. You're speaking has a minor homerun issue. I think leading the league you can home runs given up as a little more than minor again again the asu season we're talking about since all star break this turnaround talking about right right and yeah no he definitely had struggles early on he had pitched he was he was missed pretty much <music> all season there <hes> so <hes> so yeah but the turnaround by the way i'd say about august the month of august <hes> he had at forty two strikeouts in one walk <hes> and what's insane about that as there's only been four pitchers in major league history to have have <hes> at least forty strikeouts in one walker fewer in one month any month not not necessarily august but any month and that would be the other three are corey kluber in may of two thousand eighteen forty one strikeouts one walk jeff samardzija may of two thousand seventeen forty nine strikeouts in one walk and cliff lee <hes> two thousand thirteen fifty four strikeouts one walk <hes> but the thing that's interesting about that is none of those pitchers had anywhere near the control issues issues at darvish did earlier so i mean <hes> yeah it's crazy i mean there's you know love this. This has been in a way so you're kind of you're kind of saying it's a small sample size where he may be just founded for a few weeks. You mean maybe those other guys that have control issues that you had that he you had earlier this season right right. I mean to turn that around to that to go from uh-huh thirty-three walks in thirty six two-thirds innings to to <hes> you know you know doing something very few pitchers has ever done in one month is in regards to strikeouts to walks in the same season in the same season. That's pretty impressive. That's that's a music and i said that i said earlier of those photos of christian yelich. Bring that up. Aren't you <hes> whole hell else going on for the brewers. I should mention this <hes> matt snyder. C._b._s.'s got an article article where he where he really details a lot of this stuff and it's been all over twitter as well but <hes> true to mention that yeah he's the one that i ended up in a twitter spat of predictions and stuff and turns out. He seems like an actual really nice. Guy have had other interactions interactions with them. Well he even though he's comes to. He's he's right. He's he's a little hot and sweaty for darvish now too so you know so there you go ah true that also craig kimbrel todd darvish out throw a knuckle curve ball to so <hes> that's that's pretty cool and and he's already you throwing it and already got some strikeouts with with it in games darvish which is crazy. Darvish already have like seventeen yeah. He's he's thrown eight different pitches. This season forcing fastball sinker cutter changeup slider curve splitter and now knuckle curve has the one thing that would be interesting to find out i guess did he start limiting coming what pitches humans throwing a bit to that album find that control that he's found last few. It'd be an interesting thing. I don't really think so. I think he's been kind of throwing these all along and i i think it was just maybe some i you know i don't know i haven't seen the details but some sort of small tweak somewhere <hes>. I don't know i mean it's unheard of to turn around. A control issue to that extreme is has basically never happened in a season season. I mean <hes> you know and i said that earlier. I said gee you know he's his stuff is so good. He's got elite spin rate on his fastball. He's got you know. He's just got such good stuff if he could get his control. I said that i know i said that a million times earlier in the season in episodes <hes> if you could just get control to better better right but house how sustainable is this if he continues to throw eight pitches i would think that's part of his issue but i'm i'm not an elite athletes focus on too. Many things start to suffering qualify. Don't you tweak <hes> you darvish on twitter and see. Maybe he'll answer you because i thought it'd be nice. If maybe one of our listeners tweeted at us some of us info they know it. I'm i'm just curious. I mean if he did slimmed-down types of pitches. He's throwing. That would make a lot of sense control. I'm sure i'm sure on a day-to-day to start. I mean depending on and who is facing. I'm sure there's some adjustments there. I'm sure if one pitch isn't working so well for him. One particular start he'd probably doesn't throw as much of it because he's got other pitches ago a to i would guess it might be on a sir basis. This is just a total gas. I don't know this but <hes> i would think that i know you know playing so pitch. Softball i pitched edged for years. You know and you know sometimes some days the same thing not the same thing but i obviously see i threw three different pitches kind of a kind of a screwball spin and backspin and then <hes> knuckle knuckleball announced some days certain certain ones. I'd be able to throw for strikes better than other days in in in the game. If i'm having trouble thrown one of them i strike. I won't throw it as much. I would think given as many options as he has that that might be similar thinking <hes> between you know that'd be something with him and his his battery mate but you know. I don't know pitching coach pitching coach yeah so i you know this is all just guessing as we're sitting on couches watching games as if we know anything that's what we do. Dependent we do mostly. You probably listening right now so we can have what we do. Enjoy listening to go subscribe at the <hes> the website ninety miles podcasts dot com. You can follow us on twitter. I'm ed group crew winning ryan of course the cubs fan is oh. Is it even important. Horton grabs cooks win very important yeah. If you wanna hear you wanna hear hot and sweaty you dovish takes or read them my guest. That's where you go. I have no reason to to slow them down. I have more reason the ramp uma than anything and now at this point that the cubs it was obviously are playing this weekend. Listener already know that because this is a huge series milwaukee trails the cubs by four games in the standings after the sweep. It'll be a game aw or satin as the other way could go right ryan's writes this seven game thing and i'm gonna be talking about next year. The next time you hear my voice i'm i'm already kind of looking at it like i said the mental reset <hes> but huge series in darfur is supposed to pitch on sunday casten here in christian yelich to crush him no because that's what they do anyway. It'll be fun to watch it. Let's talk a little bit about the series two. This one's huge is absolutely vital. The cubs currently sit in a wildcard position. They're two and a half up on the fills and four games on milwaukee. This field has thinned out quite a lot. My gut feeling what is not good milwaukee's very average team. They took two out of three from arizona. They lost two three to saint louis. If that keeps rolling now they could take two to three three from your cubs but is it going to get them anywhere. I don't know at this point. I look at the just underperformed the back end so mullets okay right and here's the thing here's the thing and and kind of what you mentioned <hes> in the way. It's looking only one the one team same potentially. If that from the central is gonna grab a wild card not too so the issue here is the cardinals in regards to cool off significant yeah yeah oh yeah but the you know they're yeah they're two and a half above <hes> as as far as above chicago right now as far as the <hes> the first wildcard team so of course when you're listening to this it's pretty friday. It's pre- refried as action right all right this change. We just want to give an overall perspective of where this is. I would say may be safe to say that the odds of two do of of both the division leader and two teams from the central in in other words three teams from the national league central making the postseason <hes> probably not not pretty laws probably gonna be a team east nationals or the phillies maybe <hes> most likely and then either cavs brewers or cardinals i with one of those teams is winning the division one grabbing a wild card in the other one <hes> going home for the winner right. Hopefully i'll say i hope he recorded oh yeah yeah. The mets yeah mets zona two and a half game back and milwaukee won four straight yeah they're rolling. Memorial milwaukee did take care of him and and they handle them pretty well. Saint louis is bulletproof. I don't understand what is going on in saint louis rate yeah yeah but yeah there have been bulletproof for about a month and it's. I don't look at that roster. Nothing scares me yet here. They are outside site of. I mean marcello zona climbs. The wall and let's balls drop in front of them. How are they winning. How do they have the best defense in the national league. They've got the least errors errors. I'm very very confused. On saint louis <unk> they appear to be massively over achieving to my money but the app yeah very irritated anywhere so yeah i mean you know i i <hes> the cubs. I think <hes> i still feel like they're. They're hanging <unk> on but haven't managed to lock into their potential yet. I think they do in in kinda. You know little spurts spurts at a time but then someone gets in injured or something or someone goes into a swamp or something. I mean it's been you know. The action between iowa done in chicago has been you know just crazy this year and the end the i l. as well i mean it's just been rotating doors hours and i i you know but despite that i think they're hanging in there i think that's been finding also had some hiccups. You know like with lester and hamels a a little bit and the bullpen has had its issue. You want to talk about hiccups and injuries. I could go on for days yeah. That's fair for them to be three games over five hundred it is pretty impressive in my opinion decide however you go to twitter you go to certain areas and the fans are up in arms. David stearns is suddenly a crack the. I don't understand what's going on out there. I'm a bit of a whole back stearns quite a bit but what was he supposed to do. All right people are out there asking. When are they going to address starting pitching. I don't know when they don't lose. Seven eight nine guys yeah no. What do you wanna do spend twenty a million dollars on one dude. Go down and you've got nothing else. They can't do that. Milwaukee chicago can take that chance with darvish. You've got that settled. The darvish role in like he's doing in in has a whole season of like what he's done since all month calmed down <hes> since more. It's been more than a month more than a month. It's been all-star break. Should i said seven weeks so that's a little better but seven weeks in two years and you are going to put them in the wild. You're gonna put them in the cy young for twenty twenty all the top ten cy young award award voting twenty together. I don't mind yu darvish done for if he does what he's done. Since all star break break with you know and then also throw in there a couple of like complete game shutouts to a couple of extraordinary couple of extraordinary harry starts in a mix of what he's done since all star break for a whole season. You're talking top ten cy young award voting top ten. Let's say in the cy young a war in the top ten what i've said all along those. That's not what he is. He's he's a streaky. Go back on the home run. He's a._p.'s been. I mean that's a lot of stairs. Then he's been great. I could say the same thing about jordan. He was great then. He was terrible that he was great. Dervishes jordan yeah right. Wow okay okay. Fine says more than jordan. Okay there we go and that's you know you're not wrong. Obviously if you harvest is what he's the last seven weeks. It'll be in the cy young conversation next year. I'm just saying so they needed mejia's okay well. We'll see we'll see here jumping back a topic. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the cardinals baseball slugging as that we enlighten look at marcello soon leaves the cardinals in an eight six five o. p. s. nobody else's over eight hundred including paul goldschmidt how the hell are the cardinals is winning this many baseball games with that lineup what is going on in the game of baseball. I don't understand <hes> <hes> cardinals are you're taking like you said yeah like you said you know <hes> and they're they. <hes> are dumb pitchers with e. R. as in the mid frees everybody is over four. I <music>. I'm well now we about this is having the comes. Play the cardinals seven times still this season. Yes so that's it's big indeed that is huge. Yeah the car still actually have legitimate chance to win this division whether or not to just look at the two teams and honestly the cubs should win this division. The cardinals shouldn't even be doing what they're doing now. The talent level just isn't i mean they've got some good players but they're not ah among the top five teams now now. They're not really i look at that roster and that lineup and know how is this possible. Milwaukee would be <music> but they're so dinged up and battered that they are going to be yeah. Yeah leaves it for the cubs. This division is here for the cubs state. It is why are your. I already explained the you know lots it. Some injury issues some different slumps here and there <hes> you know the bullpen pan issues <hes> as well which i you know i think are starting to come together. You know there's been some solid pieces but then they'll have an <hes> explosion. The road record record is another thing although that that helped sweeping <hes> the mets this week so you know <hes> but <hes> but yeah i mean that's that's kind of what's been going on <hes> but i i think i think that you know still got a a month of baseball here ear and if if they can lock down those those issues and we can get some stability going i think i think it's going to be okay. <hes> and then the key thing is going to be the games teams <hes> in particular against the cardinals but also the brewers i mean the cubs can't <hes> stan to get swept two to three here. You can't ignore and that's true but the cubs needed to do then. They got one more be alone. Yes yup yup exactly. There's still suddenly so this was. This would normally be a series preview episode because you're gonna hear this after the first game. We're not doing a straight up preview episode roy moore arguing a couple of points. If milwaukee takes the three in this series. You can't dismissive yet. If the cubs sweep milwaukee the season has done for the brewers. That's pretty much where it's at. You can't go seven games down to the cubs in probably i don't know a even if the cubs aren't in the wild or it's seven games down to the cubs at the end of this series as a brewers fan and you're probably six or five or six out of the wildcard at minimum. The app milwaukee absolutely has to take two out of three if they lose two to three now. You're five games beyond the cubs. It's borderline over. I'm already starting to talk about next year because realistically as bruce fan. I am a fan. I i want them to win. I still think they can and make some noise in the division. Wreck the cubs season. I also don't see this going anywhere anyway. That's why i was tweeting last night talking on twitter later. I saw that what is happening yeah. There's a little bit of that question from barkley for president. When do they actually invest in starting pitching well. I my answer was more they did in the young guys would <unk>. She'd seen sooner getting hurt. You know you can't just throw money at starting pitching. If if you're milwaukee they invested in moves in grand all last season. There wasn't really a lot of room to go after a bunch of other guys should they tried to get miley and gonzales but yeah obviously so so. I got crap for that. Basically you gave the most basic fan answer yeah. I saw that well. It isn't the basic fans. That's what they did so you go. Look at it that way. They have to do in my opinion next season. Can you let granddaughter walk. Randolph been great. I'm going to get crap for letting brando lock to whatever no matter what they do. I'm gonna get craftwork. That's fine anyway. The the point here is wishes seen gun grendel gone. I'd like to see him invest in the bullpen because that has been the biggest serious drawback this season. I think the lineup will be fine again anyway. Where am i going with this anyway. I got crap on twitter and they need the bullpen help. They're going to invest they're going to replace your scene with some mid-tier starter and they'll get a guy like gonzales and they'll roll it back out there again and i don't think that's wrong and i don't think i'm a stearns backer by saying that because i think with a little bit of health and a little bit of luck this team still sits at three games over five hundred without any of that they could easily be ten or eleven over if a couple of other breaks <music> if canadian doesn't go down things of that nature so yeah i back stearns on that isn't the basic fan answer. I don't think so. I just think it's the answer like i believe that what they did is actually pretty correct. It just did not pan out well that too well. It's berga tears. I don't think about darvish for a second. You'll come back yeah yeah. Oh yeah yeah so <hes> <hes> yeah. It sounds like <hes> i robbed the momentum there were a nation is is <hes> reeling a little bit and and <hes> you're getting getting into fights at brewers fan so it. It doesn't look good really general the one guy that said i was basic. Told me of basic beat yeah what you know. Yeah i guess but i think it's a little more nuanced than than it into one hundred. I'm forty seven characters. Is this whatever there's a finer point to what they did and it did not pan out this year. The season's not even over they could sweep the cubs b. six game home. Ooh i wanted a game out of the wild card and everything flips and everybody's half happy again but right now it's just a it's a crap show and everybody's got their torches torches out there marching towards david stern's office and i think that's ridiculous to know i think i think i see a sweep. Come in this weekend for the brewers. Sir gonna be swept <hes> and then <hes> oh yeah. I think i think becomes need to and the and this is for brewers. Sake cubs cubs need you do win. Maybe all seven of those games against the cardinals that that would be helpful for everybody well and and i'm a basic fantastic's. Yeah basically aches all seventy. It would be nice they they. They need to win as many of them as they can but <hes> yeah well this goes back to that episode where he told me about how the team that scores more runs wins yeah yeah. I've never team scores. More runs wins so what's let's run differential wrench so let's turn that back for just one second if the cubs beat the cardinals and brewers a bunch. That'd be good well. He is is this is the this is the content you come here for. This is the kind of stuff i come up with when i'm sitting on the couch watching cubs games so i ah heavily research list some deep deep thinking ed yes you the people of either win a lot of games to win as many games as they can to win uh-huh all the game winning all the games the well that sums up our content curve so you rock sandra is yeah yeah we have anything else or redistricting some predictions now and well. We got some predictions. Do there should be some crap talking about this series. I suppose a little bit but i i think i think this is gonna be a good weekend. Just let it play out. We'll do a little banter on twitter as we follow. That should be good this one's going to be it's gonna be a gut. Check for the brewers. Is there any life left in them and in a way it's gonna it's gonna be a real check for the cubs in the sense that can you can can you kill that one opponent off and then turn your sights towards the cartels yeah. That's that's a big yeah and and you know i gotta say say i've. I've feel a little bad for the brewers and for you like i mentioned earlier. I don't need your i've well. I'm giving you <hes> pity whether you like it or not. So i take it. Take it fine yeah. That's my pleasure my pleasure <hes> <hes> anyways so like you feel really. Yes really awful for us for as terrible. Well don't feel too bad for us. When we absolutely crush now set wow yeah y'all is gonna take care of some the business yeah. What are we got all left these like usual. What's what's the preview okay. What are we going on. Let's take a look so today's jason anderson for the brewers. Who did the coast today. I'm it was gonna be can tana yes so the cubs are rolling out kintana cole hamels and darla. She was sunday. You darvish so dervishes the righty pap lease. They get one ready this time darvish if you said he's the hottest thing hottest things since eulogists photograph the boy you keep bringing just being told there all right. It's a good topic. You know it's fun band to raise on the overreaction from people kind of priceless so you heard about the relaxed roxanne bit right so a fan named roxanne tweeted adam that she thought it was over the top. Whatever <hes> his response was hashtag relax roxanne then he actually went to the plate. Did you hear my did you went to the plate. Yeah roxanne playing so that was kind of fun to see the players. Get back at twitter verse a little bit. I was thoroughly entertained by that like i had. I been working all day. I didn't know what had happened. At in know that there was a whole response to so the first i heard about it was when i finally got up on the game. Unlike loud roxanne walks in that's interesting. There's a funny story but yeah yeah that was great in depth content. That was really where they get. The ratings are rich. You know it's that's okay so dervish on sunday. The left-handed lineup will be strong. Hopefully <hes> well. We'll see what happens. I don't know i don't have a lot of faith right now and it really hurts to say it yeah. I have a lot of faith so doesn't hurt to say that you have more faith than you. Fans ran yeah right yeah so <hes> you know we should do. Some is their music. Excuse me here we go boom top ted cy young award voting darvish calling. I'm calling with my heart. I'm going trees so all right well so that you darvish perdition sounds silly as we originally had thought <hes> but you know well. You didn't think it sounded silly at all when you said it and now you know i just might have been off a year so so are there. It's not that bad. No you're offier. His first half was able to change it because next year next year you know the it he will be in that talk and and then it'll be like well. This doesn't make sense to we want something more silly so we'll just have to look and and find that rare gem of a prediction. I made that actually got wrong. Which you know that that's that was extremely wrong. You know toast disorder rod because it's not as funny otherwise <hes> then there's not many there's any i am batting to seventeen while you sit at one forty three <hes> on the season for predictions so you in you know at least at least josh spot on the major league roster like you but you know earn a spot major league roster to you play for maybe player. You know you're probably on the defensive replacement. Here's here's my prediction. Here's my prediction for your top ten cy young yu darvish hot and sweaty boy. The brewers are going to take your darvish for five earned runs or mhm on sunday interesting well. What fire earned runs against darvish no. I'm i'm good with that. I'm good with that but i would say you know. That's not impossible but i. I don't think the brewers have the kind of offense that are going to do that. <hes> so so yeah. I'm fine with that. That's i'll take another. You don't think they have the kind of offense they can do now. I don't i don't well if you go down the list. You've got christian yelich with an o._b. As a one point zero nine seven casten era point nine five one fame's is eight sixty three. He'll be in the lineup. He's a lefty facing darvish. Moussaka says eight sixty two although he's so we'll see about that ron grand tall all over eight hundred opiates burs offense. They just seem to never be a string anything. Well the only way and against you anyway. You're getting darvish which is is going to be home. Runs off of that knuckle curve at kimball taught him yeah which would in many ways yeah sure. Let's see yellow says forty one uh stockists thirty although we'll see if even plays casten hero <hes> between triple a. and the big leagues has thirty six home runs believers of thirty seven thousand nine hundred sixty s thirty five no. I'm good. I'm good with that prediction. You're not going to get that one. That's fine and it's funny that you did a yu darvish prediction because that's actually what i was thinking of doing to double down on you. Oh okay so you're going yellow and earned runs on the start. I'm thi- earned runs. They're going to earn those run cast. They're going to bash yes. I i <hes> you know. I'm trying to decide on. What i you know what i think i'm i think i'm gonna go go with the strikeout prediction ten or more ten or more ks versus the burs well. I kind of feel like that's the only way is gonna get out. I don't know all right well. Since i'm predicting that he gives up fight earned runs i wouldn't expect him to pitch more than four or five innings ten ten strikeouts that's bold enough although the brewers do have a tendency to be strikeout on so it's not like it's it's way out there yeah but but we're it is a double down on yours. If he's giving up five runs. He's probably not striking out ten. Maybe maybe it's happened. It's yeah i think ten strikeouts doubled into strikeouts is a it's a relatively relatively rare game. Unfortunately if you've been a fan this year you'd see more of it than you'd like to but <hes> well he here does strike out a lot. He said career he says three double digit strikeout games this season may fifteenth at cincinnati <hes> and then <hes> june june fifteenth at the dodgers and then <hes> just on august fifteenth at <hes> the phillies so yeah we can roll with that. That seems pretty pretty reasonable. I actually am actually really excited about about the series. As much as i have been downplaying everything the mental anytime the bruising cows get together. It's it's kind of fun. It's it's a lot of fun especially in our group of group talia all the crap talking on twitter. It's going to be a beautiful thing. When this brewer team tears. The cubs franchise drops wildcards. It's going to be sunday afternoon. I feel very secure in saying that the cubs are going to make the postseason whether it's the division or the wildcard hard to say but well. That's why i said last week. It's gonna be fun to watch the brewers rectify and they've got to do it back to tax season's and that's <hes> you know one hand. They were winning the division last year on this and you know they're fighting for that wildcard spot but it's almost more fun to just kinda reformed <hes> and i i well. They make the playoffs or not you take up the cubs. You got a chance to be in the postseason at this point. If you're a fan so i i just take it's interesting because by well <hes> cubs on play the cardinals till september nineteenth <hes> they have a four game mm series against the cardinals and then september twenty seventh another three-game series rate at the end of the year so unfortunately we're not going to really i. I think the cubs needed get most of those seven games against the cardinals. You know <hes> those need to occur before we can really say with any certainty. How wow this is going to shake out. I mean unless the cardinals really slip or they slip remember my prediction last week. Prediction last week was for the birds to go seven and four in this stretch wjr versus the cardinals in seven games with the cubs with two with houston mixed in there. They've lost two already yeah so i need milwaukee to sweep the cubs all seven games. It's kind of like you're you're wonderful boy. It'd be great if if the brewers could beat the cubs games and then actually take they can take two losses against houston. It's still come seven four from chicago. They've lost two so far but they got they have san. Yes look at the numbers. It doesn't add up well what cardinals when the colonels yeah i hope not maybe i just don't want no. That's true. I think is below. We both want that. I look at it yeah of course so oh so just doing a whole hell of yeah but they can knock out knock cups and that's what i love so so i'm just trying to see here. We we had <hes> a couple of predictions going. Oh i had okay. Oh yeah so we made a couple of predictions back in episode thirty eight <hes> yeah that was yeah that was about the seven games james the seven games three of which are starting one of them starting almost first pitch right now <hes> i said cubs will go six. One one versus the brewers for the remainder of the season. I also have a cubs will sweep this series so i think both need to happen. <hes> so oh the sweet predictions is going to be over on friday as usual that would be as they have. A five last stymie predicted that you have a five and two five and two and then two games over houston to get that would double up by predictions. That'd be good yeah yeah. That'd be well. We'll see the five and to be over with after this weekend as well. You know if the birds managed is to win. Five out of the seven games against the covens split against houston. I'll be right back on this teams. I'm not off off the bandwagon. I'm just trying to be realistic because it's been paying so i have. I not another few weeks. I do have another prediction here for this series cows shore rural hit. Two two more home runs against the brewers this weekend well. There's an l oh jeez. That's <hes> really <music>. You're gonna write off shore for that quickly. You know he is <hes> leading leading. The team in home runs now. He's got thirty one. They just in case. You didn't know playing softball right well. The you know the pitchers at the burs abbott is like playing softball so jason anderson on the hill today if he's going to get us to home runs. It'll probably maybe tocchet. Chase does tend to give the gopher ball just a little bit not as prolific as you darvish then yeah who can be as prolific as you at giving having a well just anybody he's he's been slightly better although he had some trouble in that game against the giants but <hes> the couple starts ago he did give up four home runs but <hes> yeah yeah yeah that was a that was not as good start. <hes> <hes> august twenty first against the giants five point one innings pitched seven hits us six earned runs four home runs eight strikeouts in no walks though so i mean it's still so yeah i mean there's still so some things he's got to work on your strike. Oh predictions kind of in the middle of the road a little bit because even when he does have a bad game he tends to strike people yeah he gave us six runs possibility. We both win that prediction. That's that's true actually that in eight strikeouts in five point pretty good and <hes> but still six earned runs so four home runs though i mean you got to maybe you'll be cooled off on the cy young talk after the brewers never play against darvish pitched against for the next episode. We should look back and see how many times you has actually faced the brewers as a cub. I feel like it's maybe he did on august or sunday the fourth worth a last year no of this year. I'm looking at his game logs. August fourth <hes> the cubs won one seven two two <hes> darvish got the wins. I picked five five innings gave up five hits. One earned run on eight strikeouts. One home run no walks yeah. No i remember i just of course he dan. That's the that's the the time this season well. That's sunday will be second. Start versus the brewers this year here so i see why i forgot about see now for our listeners that don't like change jobs every week at no weekends off. Maybe that's why i'm looking it was on a sunday august fourth so that would be why i made out of gone back and watched it because it probably hurt too understandable us spent a pain that would have been good research to for whether you would wanna accept or make <hes> the predictions we did today but you you know too late now. They're gonna tap them for five dude. The lesson lineup is coming to town and it is going to rate the wind will be blown out. You will be okay okay as will become living on hope. You got ah well. We're going to have to dive into what the brewers are going to be planning for next year since getting blasted on twitter for saying basically they aren't going to invest in starting pitching but that's a different story for a different day. I think i think we should get out of here and go yeah yeah. I was just thinking the same thing all right so we will <music> see you on the other side of the dock and <hes> take a listen to this evening. We were ah before. The weekend even gets rolling yeah all right so it's a good time. It was fun. Cups cargo suck at least mcmath usa due to iraq's. Just oh hello to well. Maybe all right.

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Alex Anthopoulos Interview

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Alex Anthopoulos Interview

"There you registered to vote find out how at vote four, one, one, dot org don't miss the deadline. Every state is different plan to vote on November third or by your states deadline. If you're voting by mail vote, make it count go to vote four, one, one, dot org. Radio. Dot Com sports presents bigtime baseball. Insider John Heyman former major leaguer Jewish gwen junior. Lose. My pleasant to bring to the big time baseball podcasts. President and general manager of the Atlanta Braves Alexan- operas Alex. Woods General Manager for years for six or six years at least with the Toronto Blue Jays who thousand, nine and two thousand, fifteen with Toronto that he moved to the dodgers was an executive there and has been with the braves. The last three years got Toronto in the playoffs with some huge moves Donaldson Encarnacion Batista in doing it again with the break is there in in the final eight here, and of course, they've got the upstart. MIAMI. Marlins to play next. So it should be quite an exciting series coming up Alex. welcome. To beyond guys. Alright. Alex. let's get right into it. Now I'll I'll start right now with the pitching situation you guys a pitched fantastically in around one you could have done any better freed. Anderson. Does gave up nothing. So did your bullpen which you put together? Very nicely. I would say with all your pitching injuries though obviously you had Sirocco your ace went down Hamels who's been at World Series Mvp went down King Felix. Was Avenue great draining opted out. So you're without at least three starters probably more I probably forgot some of them. as you get into these late around though you're going to have to play. A game series to five in the next series, and then best the seven after that How do you feel about pitching depth going forward you haven't worked out who will start three four and five I guess I guess right would start game three that's who is lined up in the first series wildcard series. But you have it lined up for game four and five and figured out might be come back with freed in five and is that your concern? Yeah. So look, there's no doubt we've lost a lot of guys that we were counting on. You mentioned Saroka mentioned Cole Hamels. Mike Fulton David Fits really well for us. The last two months of the year was our best starter Alaska last two months of two thousand nineteen with a two era and had a huge game to start us against the cardinals up against flaherty where we won that game. And obviously, game five was just a game that didn't work out for the entire club. So initial newcomer open give another opportunity to start a nice job open nineteen and struggled at the end of twenty eight out of the rotation. But there's no doubt we lost a lot of guys. So now like you mentioned, copyright would be lined up thirteen three. Game four and potentially a game five we have some ideas. We haven't determined anything I think like you talked about. The importance of our bullpens. Can't be understated huge part of what God here, the bullpen and the offense pretty much carried the team the entire year in between good starts, but it was our rotation era was. Towards the bottom of the thirty clubs. So we had had a training in the right direction with some of these young guys, Bryce Wilson's thrown well, Oscar Noah's thrown well So those guys have done a nice job, but there's no doubt for us to go deep into the playoffs. We need these young guys to continue to emerge in take step force. Alex the the says has been rough on you guys. The last couple of years you mentioned that series against the car, you get to the game five and it just got a hand pretty quickly. What is it about this team? This year that makes you believe this is the guys get over the home. Yeah I mean, this is my third year in a in Atlanta as GM and. From the minute I walked in the door I heard about one they were in the middle of a rebuild had lost ninety games. I think for years in a row for years in a row and. You know the talk when we finally got back to the playoffs in two thousand eighteen, that organization had not won a playoff series since two thousand one. So obviously, the tops expanded this past year but just winning a series is a big deal here hadn't been done in a long time and look I felt like a two thousand eighteen against L. The dodgers, just a better club than we were. And they beat us you know and last year with the cardinals I like the way we stacked up against him thought we had a great club game for for me was really the key game. We had a two one series lead going into game four multiple times. Kunia. Had leadoff double leadoff triple with two three, four coming through with all these and Freeman Donaldson stone and we could not get the run in. which most times those guys are elite players that all stars. They would've gotten done, and then we had leads in those four games out. In the eighth inning. All four games and we just weren't able to To hold those late. So it was a combination of things in game five things are totally fell apart for fast. But I felt like those first four games we had a shot. Now you look at the red series and that's really the. Summary of the playoffs, the red series could've gone the other way. Obviously, I'm glad we won team did a great job the you know the rotation and the bullpen was fantastic but. A few breaks here and there the reds could have been on top where we certainly could have had a game three. You look at what the nats were. They went through last year they finally won the world series but for years they had great clubs and they can never get past the first round and I don't know that there was anything specific other than maybe it's a small. Series and randomness. So on but I did feel like twenty twenty eighteen probably didn't deserve to get past the first round going up against La Twenty nine hundred and certainly twenty twenty We were certainly capable of being able to advance and I'm glad we will finally able to get through and no. One can talk about having not won ploughs here is Atlanta now for a long time. We'll good job gang over the hump, their nineteen years I didn't realize that had been quite that long guys look like they really enjoyed it feeding. Not Beating Bauer beating bowers team and the reds who are. Picked by a lot of people to win as a kind of a trendy pick their a you're the higher seed but you know it was not going to be an easy thing. Now speaking of not easy beat the Marlins six of ten in the series this year a regular season but they're obviously and upstart interesting team They have excellent pitching as you know with six inches an outcome, Tara Pablo. Lopez. How do you look at this challenge going forward I think a lot of people are gonNA favor you but how do you look at it? Yeah I think generally speaking I rather when we're not when we're the underdog I, I can tell you that. No one's expected us to make class. We haven't been picked to make the playoffs or win the division like you said, we were not picked to be the reds and it seems to work out for us I prefer that we go under the radar I just I think it's easier for everybody else now with with respect to Miami like you said, ten games, we won six of the four but those those games were really close now there was obviously the one big law game but apart from that, they were some type games one run games that we won. And again, the series could have easily gone the other way. They're really tough tough club we on top of that in those six in those ten games we didn't face wants so they're they're good club they're strong club they got tremendous team speed they play hard. The back end of their bullpen is really starting to emerge. Those guys are really nice job I'm like you said that rotation. Is as good as anybody has with good power arm. So I think it's going to be really close. As. I WanNa talk a little bit about you. You took a executive job with the dodgers prior to being with the braves and obviously the dodgers have had a lot of success. What were you able to take from the things you learned in Los Angeles? And bring them over to Atlanta. Integrate great thing to ask because I've talked about this a little bit. So six years as GM in Toronto and prior to that was an ATM was Scouting Coordinator Been In the organization twelve years there and at the end of my time in in Toronto given the opportunity to say to stay. Signed a contract extension but I was well documented I just didn't feel like you know that was probably the best place for me to stay with my contract chose not to resign there, and at the time I was thirty eight, I'm forty three in our. and. I. Just felt like. It was a point in my life where I was at a life where you know after my fifth years gm I felt like I. Finally had my brains beaten a little bit in failed enough. Team to the playoffs where you start learning some things. That is probably like a player. Right eventually you fail you'd get sent down and hopefully you make adjustments in you'll learn and I felt like going into that six year two, thousand, fifteen. I'd really made just to start really paying more attention to trying to build a team rather than a collection of players and talent and really focusing on how the pieces fit and the makeup and the character and everything else and Stuck with it and had great success in the APP store and the clubhouse was great and ever since that moment I never deviated from that and also putting an emphasis on team defense as well. Was a really key thanks for me. and. When I left you know I was really glad and grateful that I had some opportunities to go to some other clubs. But when La called I felt like where can I go that? I'm going to get better and I'm going to learn and I felt like the dodgers with Andrew Friedman in Foreign Zaidi really bright bright successful guys. Around Him Day, in and day out in the way the structure was set up. I basically got the share a lot of responsibility to of them and work. Closer. With them quite a bit. I learned a ton like I'd like to believe I brought some values well, but you know from my standpoint I thought I, I gained and I use the example of it was like going to Grad school from for made because they're so smart and they're so good and I'd say the biggest thing that exposed that I was exposed to just have in depth having enough players especially to get through. I think in in Toronto we had a lot of stars and a lot of really good players and on my own value of trying to put a team together and how the pieces fit and so on. But the importance of at that time, the rosters are twenty five. I probably. That's twenty five man roster when I was in in Toronto and going to L. A. and I, think with Andrew being in Tampa for being in Oakland, they understood the importance of that forty man roster that depth guys are. GonNa have bad years. Guys are GonNa get hurt your next line. You're next group of guys. They're they're equally as important at times to get through the year and also the value of prepped any advance work. At, you could be less on trying to make is better to prepare. So those are the things that really took away. And ultimately, when I came to Atlanta note from Toronto Days, the number one thing I wanted to do was one improve the team defense that was critically important We did our first big deal was to make a trade with Matt camp clear spot for a Kunia, and then also our advanced process are our prep and so on. That's something you know the analytics department are and so on. We put a lot of dollars into that as well. Those key things the rest was just to stay out of the way these guys the previous. The previous individuals that had been here from John Hart Junko blow at a frank ran the John holts they had done fantastic work here getting great young players, a lot of tremendous talent So it just needed a few tweaks in a little time and really just stay away and not get too involved in not start trading everybody away and let. The players finally come through in support them with better defense. It may maybe a little more prepped in a little more more resources on the decide you talk about the building the full of forty man roster and what you learned from four hundred eighty Andrew Friedman. One thing that seems for me, remind standpoint stand out about you as you're not afraid to. Make the bold move obviously Toronto you brought in Donaldson, which was a trade that was well received and ended upgrade. You brought in price which gave you a chance I think to really potentially and you didn't do it they are but potentially become a series world series contender and here in Atlanta It's a big signings in off season one. Worked out when one is not worked out and that was a Hamels and Osuna, they were big big signings Could you talk a little bit about those two signings and well, what went into it and how you feel certainly Zona things turned out and would you like to keep him as well or what are you going to do they're? Sure you're right. We definitely, we were pretty active early out of the gates in free agency. Whether that was bringing marquess back flowers back signing Darren O'Day signing Chris Martin signing will Smith, signing. Calama starting Zuma's so we did a lot early I felt like. Number Twenty, nineteen going into September. We had a lot of free agents. It wasn't being talked about in the media which I liked. But we knew while we have a lot of work to do a Brian McCann was gonna be Fridge in as well besides Travis d'arno as well. Obviously that's another car I. Forgot about. Data via backup shortstop. So we had a lot of pending holes coming and it wasn't really the focus. So we just wanted to be below the radar, but we had a list of targeted list of players who going to go after early because we had so many needs we don't want to be sitting there in mid December eight seven with eight spots to filler nine spots, the show you know. So we were going to be very specific and go after those players hard so. You talk about specifically. Cole Hamels is someone that that we like we like a lot of those starters whether we felt like financially, they weren't gonNA fit for us or the commitments were too long for us are the. But it seemed like obviously the starter market last year was very strong. In terms of free agency and Hamels was willing to take a one year deal and the others component to for us. It's like I talked about. We set a high bar on bringing the right type of guys in to our clubhouse especially with so many young players and the thing also wanted to give an opportunity. We felt some point in Anderson would show up. We felt like guys like Sean Newcomer Style Right. Some of the other young guys could continue to take a step bryce Wilson as well, and we don't want to block their path at the same time. So. We very specific and we felt coal what he could do every Farkas was certainly going to be important for us but we liked what was going to bring in the clubhouse for the young guys because was so young with Saroka and freed and everybody else we felt coal with what we knew the person in the makeup he was going to help other guys actually has unfortunately we didn't get him to throw a lot for us but now talking to Max friz focal handles has really been a big help for him in the current year a guy like Osuna. Clearly Josh Donaldson was a huge part of our team middle, the order bat hitting cleanup for us. Once we got the sense that we were gonNA lose Josh Donaldson Zina's a guy we identified it start a frequency We could fill in the middle of the order bat we did feel that he'd be undervalued just because in have years He had had in Miami when he went to Saint Louis Goodyear's knock great years but you still felt that great year was still in Him. and. We liked the fit from a club standpoint and so on. So we had kept in touch with those who the entire time. We still committed to try to work something out with Donaldson once that got out to a number and year that we just weren't prepared to go to. We jumped on the on the ozone deal at that point and It's been great for for both sides. He being able to to have a year. He knew that he could have. We got great performance out of him and we'd love to have going forward. That was such a great signing. By guys bringing in Arizona. especially. After. Losing out on Donaldson I, gotTa ask about your MVP candidate Freddy Freeman what a terrific eary's that especially after scary situation contracting Kovic early season just talk about how much easier it makes your job having a guy like that on your on. Your. Oscar. Huge into you know the one thing that another thing I've learned a lot of things because I failed failed a lot You know one thing I value as much early as a GM I didn't value that games play call. So. When guys are out there. What they do, and you know the one thing with garlic for Freeman and Nick Martinez coast, the durable and it helps you talk about having depth and forty man roster and so on. It knowing that for the most part, those guys are going to be available for your manager every day and they also said an expectation for the guys on the team and I'll see, Tony. You played. You know that those that you know there's a certain starter that air guys a little bank banked up and he may just not want to play that day or take. Guys, like Freddie Freeman is your best player that are setting the tone fewer guys that maybe aren't willing to grind through insights. and they bring a culture in mentality Josh Donaldson used to talk about this all the time too. When we got him We like Brett Lawrie a lot at the time, but he would just have a bunch of injuries and so on and Donaldson I remember when we got to talk to me about what he felt was the tool in the tool of staying on on the field and Again I thought I was aware of it but I didn't valued enough and Freddie beyond being a great player which obviously is on both sides of the ball, his durability and availability, and like you said when he was When he came down with with with Kobe and so on and he was, he had a rough go of it. The first few days I was waiting for the phone call for New Economy Look I'm not doing this I can't. You know I'm GonNa opt out and I would have completely understand. And But knowing him I'm more I think about I'm not surprised. You weren't gratitude water to plan I know that he talked about this as well. The fact that we hadn't won a series in this organization since two thousand four, he felt that he felt the burden at not that it should have been on his shoulders. But he knew it, he understood he's very proud of this organization. She's very, he thinks being a brave very, very seriously he loves this organization and when you have your best player, your most elite player. Who brings all those other qualities characteristics? It makes the manager's job easier. It makes jams job easier It's hard to quantify those types of things beyond what he brings on the field. Yeah, you know I think I, don't have this votes. So I can say I think Freeman is the MVP of the National League this year. Goes on all right that was Alex Anthopoulos President and general manager of the Atlanta Braves team is in the NFL ds now versus the Marlins been a pleasure to have Alex on on big time baseball.

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It Begins and Ends in the Gut

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46:44 min | 2 years ago

It Begins and Ends in the Gut

"You're listening to the podcast made possible by our friends at blue diamond. We're big snacker is around the group office, you know, the drill three o'clock rolls around. And you find yourself reaching for whatever is lying around and striking distance last resort snacking, as it turns out, usually isn't all that satisfying. Which is why we decided to give our snack jurors makeover and stock them at blue diamond whole, natural almonds. I go for hamels before meetings often multiple handfuls, if I'm honest because they're that good between the fats, and minerals and blue diamonds non-parole supreme almonds. They're significantly healthier than popping candy or chips throughout the day. And they actually tide me over until dinnertime head over to dot com. For some recipes made with blue diamond whole, natural almonds. Hey, again, it's the lease Lunen goups chief content officer every week on the podcast Gwyneth rice, sit down with leading thinkers, top doctors. Researchers and visionaries we talk about breaking down barriers, and we learn a lot we typically dropped new episodes. Every Thursday today is the last special episode a three part Tuesday series. It's a conversation that happened live at our in group health summit in Vancouver there. I got to sit down with the nutritionist an MD and naturopathic doctor who have taught me so much about gut health. The first person you'll hear me chatting with today is registered dietitian. Carleen karst. She's based import Midi British Columbia, and she's the founder of Seila shis omega three. I think long term you have to really adopt eating plan that's going to work for you. It's about lifestyle changes. It's not about losing ten pounds now, and then gaining twenty back in six months in addition to Carleen your. Going to hear from my friend, the naturopathic doctor 'nigma to Leib who splits her time between London and LA. She's known for helping her patients, resolve both skin and got issues. Her book is called younger skin starts in the gut. She works with me and my wine and dairy face. And we talked today about why so much of how you look and feel comes back to what we eat ninety nine percent of the time that skin problem is gone within three months, and that dermatologists that we're giving them steroid creams that just a band-aid approach that is not getting to the root cause and that is what we as practitioners of writers. And what we're trying to get out. There is that the root causes sitting in your gut. If you've been following for a bit you'll likely. No, today's final expert are G doctor all the hunter younger his cardiologists by training. He was become a real trailblazer functional medicine and specifically within the field of gut health his. Founder of one of the original detox programs called clean, his best selling author and his one of the people in this world, who I could talk to forever and the way that discovery all these things were not because I was a purist on anything. While human beings would eat. I got really sick from eating junk, you know. And and they went to the doctor's got tons of pills. I don't want to do. So I started looking for with that. Let's get into today is talk. Carleen let's start with you. What's your dietary philosophy? How should most people eating good question? I mean, I think that field we need to eat a lot more plants and plant based eating is cured estate. Not just a trend for twenty eighteen and I think there's so much wisdom we can find for our bodies when we incorporate more real food whole foods. It sounds simple. But it's actually not Huckabee dairy in the wine, and all of these things that we love I think that on a day-to-day basis in we really need to focus on real whole, food and of waiting, artificial preservatives and coloring if you're gonna eat meat grass-fed healthy oils, healthy Omegas in your diet. And just really look at those foods making everybody count. You know, every time you eat. How is this nursing your body because what you put in your mouth every day influences? How you feel and we all know when we've indulge too much or eating things. That don't serve our body. How it can lead us to the end of AK shin saying I can't wait to just eat salad. So we really just thinking to make that a conscious twentieth part of our day. And how do you feel about it? I mean, it's interesting because you can see it probably I don't always have like physical reactions. But you kind of know what I'm doing not just minister for you. What are you? Besides those three how do you like people to eat, do, you know, what I don't think there's a one-size-fits-all model, and I think we all need to be more intuitive with our bodies. And we know when we eat something like that wasn't good, and you get bloated or you get constipation or you get sorry. I'm going to be talking a lot about shit today. Sorry. That's my job. Sorry. Hope. Nobody offended by that. But you know, it's like you get those reactions when you eat particular foods. And so for me, I also see people making the mistake where they're like. Okay. I'm going to eat salads and be really really healthy. And in my training, a naturopathic doctor, we studied traditional Chinese medicine and warming foods are really important, especially when we're going into the fall season here is that it's very hard to digest Rafaqat in general. It's very difficult, and especially most of us in everything every single one of you in here as had heartburn constipation diarrhea, bloating gas all of that stuff. All of us experienced that. So most of us have had digestive issues. So if you're having digestive issues eating raw food might not be the best thing for you plant based food exactly what. Carleen was saying. So important, but warm it up steam it get on give your digestion of break and give it some support. So what might be good for? You might be not good for you. So try to eat more be more intuitive. How you feel when you eat something or is your heart racing. Are you getting a skin reaction? Are you blowed? It are you constipated after all these things are I mean, you are your best own doctor. You know, what you can't go into denial? Sometimes it was like, yeah. Okay. I that piece of cheese was great. But now, I have an upset tummy. So just listen to yourself. You know, that's what my advice would be. Dr younger. Well, I think the whole thing of what the whole subject of what to eat these really confusing because there's so many opinions are solely books, so many philosophies and your philosophy with the DOE shows in the Chinese medicine philosophies, and and then we get loss. Right. So I tried to simplify things by telling people what not to eat. And and the way I think about it is like this. I have a Arctic amimal shoe in my house and the way feet them is the way that people that go out in the wild and observe and study how these animals feed themselves in the wild. And then they read manuals about it. And I read them and I feed them, right? The program with human beings is a we don't know how we are designed by nature tweet because there's no more examples of human beings living in the wild the way nature designers to leave. So so unto find that I really not buying into one philosophy of what to eat, and they end up giving my patients advice of what not to eat and he's kind of symbol. No, do not eat anything that you great grandmother recognize as food. So that these out ninety percent of the product that we consume you go to supermarket in. And if you take a bird's eye view ninety percent of the things that you can buy supermarket. Coming box jarring the tube. And right in their full of quartering agent smelling ages and texture raising agents. All these. Preservatives. Conservatives those chemicals that are not really there to help your health. They're there to help the companies have a longer shelf life be more attractive or make you more addicted to them, right? So that leaves us with only the peripheral supermarket that your grandmother would recognize food with fruits vegetables, and some animal products like fish, and even those you gotta be careful because those are not grown in the wild mostly anymore in fish farms in and feeding lords, and so you got to be careful, let's talk for a minute about chronic inflammation. I always thought I ate pretty well, then I did clean, which if you've never done it. It's three weeks of essentially in the limitation diet. So you have to be really considered. I mean, that's a lot of plants clean process. Like, no. Oh, processed food. And I remember after I felt amazing. Actually did it for five weeks. Still look good. And I tried to have dairy, which is my favorite thing after wine. And and I was like what the hell I was so ill. I mean. 'cause I think it's hard on the daily when you eat sort of everything it's hard to distinguish what's a real moment. But I was like I don't understand. I've never had this before near like winging the long did. Because that's why you said I feel so good. What what is the difference between how you were feeling before and feeling so good was was what you lost by reintroducing the things that don't make you feel good all the time. Right. So do you eat like all the time? No. I'm a pig. And I have kids, and, you know, difficult in the way that I discovered all these things were not because I was pure ISD and think about how the wild human beings would eat. I got really sick from eating junk, you know. And and then I went to the doctor's got tons of pills. I don't want to do. So I started looking for things and strong. I'm still struggling a lot of things that make me sick and addicted to some. Yeah, I understand what about you. What was the like the where was the moment of connection between food and how you felt. You know, I when I was younger I had so many digestive issues, and I got the Cup out diagnosis IBS, which is really the ass. Isn't it? It's a BS diagnosis. It's like, okay. Well, I saw naturopathic doctor and that and we did some food intolerance testing, which I really believe in because it has helped me and thousands of my patients, it's not the end on. But it gives you an idea, and I had a few foods show up like, garlic. I wasn't able to metabolize Elsa did some DNA testing. And maybe understand why garlic was so hard for me to digest and how I would feel like I was hit by a truck after with brain fog. And I am limited are all those symptoms within three months one hundred percent better. After seeing gastroenterologist that I thought this is a kind of doctor I wanna be I wanna be a doctor that's going to get the root cause of wide. Somebody's feeling sick. Anything you put in your mouth is going to affect you. We. We know our gut is our second brain. So it's going to cause you to have anxiety. If you eat certain foods, it's causing it'd be depression. I mean, you have just as much serotonin in your gut that you do your brain. So when we get depression or we getting site it's coming from here. And so I learned that growing up as a teenager and going through all these issues we're like teenagers with anxiety and depression, and they just of stuff and felt so much better. And I thought, wow, this is what I wanna do. This is something I want people to be aware of. And that's why went into medicine, and that's how I followed eating. And of course, I'm like you. I do the same thing. And I eat what I'm I'm not a pig. I'm a rat. Well, the Chinese though. But like I love to eat. But now, I'm really aware of what makes me feel good. And it's like a high when I eat things that make me feel good. And when in Rome, if I go to Italy, I'm going to have passed on wine. Let me every day shore, everyday, maybe toys. Time. I was just there. I know it's it's different. When you eat it in Europe as well. Because again, this preservative Vassar there's no GMO there's no GMO. And even look at the studies they did on rats. I love rat so much. They fed them the same diets to groups of rats, but they put slow insidious amounts of these toxins that we preservatives that we'd in our food just a small amount, and those rats that got that actually gained weight. So whenever we go on these mass. And you know, you're saying you go on these diets if you don't get rid of the preservatives in the food, you're eating, you know, you're going to continue to feel sick. You'll plateau your thyroid levels will be affected. So anyway, long answer to your question. Sorry, I excited about this. It affects everything you do. And I was able to see that in myself. And I thought I want to help everybody else. I wanna make sure that everybody gets the same treatment. But I also like to eat certain things that are in my book that I tell you not to eat sometimes eighty twenty rule eighty twenty twenty. I think that's really right. You've got to enjoy. Yeah. When you're restrictive you become obsessively, which is not helpful. Yeah. So hurling do people primarily come to you for weight loss or health concerns or some combination of the two I would say that over the course of twenty years and being in nutrition field, it's varied. And I think now just based on the demographic that I'm in a lot of women's health issues. A big part of what I talk about an of course, every time I speak. We always start with the gut because it as poverty said over two thousand years ago, it is the caveat of all healing. And I mean, this is common. Parking lot talk at my kid's schools. Women are exhausted. We're locking energy. We're feeling burnt out. And stressed out. I mean, my my five year old one said mummy are you stressed? I'm like stuff where because of this feel so stressed I feel so stressed. And I think that's such a huge part of women in life and everything that we're trying to do and trying to balance and the food connection to that is enormous, you know, supporting your adrenal glands and eating to support your gut health and incorporating more supportive nutrients in fermented foods, and these are just so important to really help heal nourish and everything in the body is connected. You know, and I think if you start by healing the God, it will have a huge trickle effect outward speaking of stress, how do you make eating while? And whether the that the focus is exclusively and gut health. How do you make that in of itself? Self not stressful for yeah, it's true. Because we talk about food everything because it's such an integral part of what we do is we eat, and that can be stressful for people, and especially if not just have your your own self to feed, but you have other people in your home, you have children in their picky eaters. And you're feeding people on busy schedules, and it is very overwhelming. And then you gotta think oh was this a real food whole food, was preservatives or artificial ingredients. Like, it's it's an extremely overwhelming thing. So I think you need to you need to start slow easy on yourself. It's always the advice. I give people like you might leave here today. Feeling inspired to change so many things in your life. But just start slow and start just be good to yourself and let it be the journey for myself. It's been over twenty years. I was diagnosed with an autoimmune condition when I was in my late teens, and I was like the low fat diet Queen of the nineties that was everybody did fat free yogurt fat-free chip. Fat free cookies long as it said fat free to me. This was what I was supposed to be eating and instead eating fat. I was eating a ton of sugar. So you combine that with an auto immune condition, which has tons of inflammatory response in the body. I was a disaster. I had no energy. I was in pain all the time taking firm cynical drugs. Taking Advil eight nine times a day literally. And I thought if I feel like this when I'm twenty how am I going to feel when I'm forties. So it was the beginning. And it was like slowly changing things adding more good fats into my diet. Which is why became so into Omegas and the healthy fats, and how healing the are, especially when we talk about inflammation. I mean, the omega fats are so important for decreasing the inflammatory response in the body. So talk about inflammation, gut and sort of what implication and the got leads to. Well, we took we our about what to eat or even what not to eat. Right. But but we've got to understand that. There's a there's a. Another thing in play which is which is the gut the health of your gut. Right. And sometimes we might be eating the perfect diet and the healthiest foods, but we will not process them the right way because the gut is not healthy. Meaning there is hypermobility or leaky gut. There's microorganisms bacteria fungus, viruses, parasites, whatever it is. That is there or we even have the good bacteria, but in the wrong ratios in the wrong percentages. So then we won't be digesting food very well. And and even healthy foods can interact with our immune system in the gut which is the biggest part of our immune system lives within around the good. So so any any made be noting because most of us most of the people walking around in the modern world today. Way are walking around with some degree of of a of a broken gut over an unhealthy, and and it may not be enough just to start eating well because gut will not just fix. It was there's things that may be lacking. That are very specific. There's things that may be necessary to to to get that level of healing. Right. So so. The reason I say this is because a lot of people start eating healthy start foiling their advice. And then they don't get the results in. They give up that is. Maybe the reason why it's not happening. So what do you do? Well, you got to you go to. Seek help of somebody who understands out to figure out what is wrong with your good and how to eat it. And it may in may be that you need to get rid of certain tibia or or plant the right butyric or feed the good butyric with prebiotics or get rid of parasites, which is a huge vote on the Laura people don't even realize they have. Or or or? Help the body heal the hypermobility or leaky gut may be a simple as taking extra. Gluten mean? Which is something that is very difficult to find in the dieting enough quantities in order for the body to to heal. Those those tight junctions and in the cells from the lining warring distance shootout or may be something that seems unrelated to the good like like high levels of heavy metals mercury lead that that don't allow. A healthy flora to thrive. So there's a few things that are not a few. There's a bunch of things that are in play in in terms of getting your health. You got to a healthy state in which then good died will really benefit. And what like how do you do you feel like if you have something chronic going on or you have something mysterious going on like that is where you start look what are the symptoms that you would assess sort of the thing? Tell us everything think think of it this way that the if you have a garden or any plans in your home, you know, that when the leaves or the flowers or the fruit are not thriving and healthy, don't really go and treat the leaves and the flowers, and you go and look at the root and the soil around the route would be like our like our gut because that's where the plan sucks. It's a new transform and the gut is where we suck are neutral soil is our food. Right. That's where the solution. And and and the reason I mentioned that is because the the leaves in the in the in the fruit and the flowers are assistant as could be from the route. But that's where the problems start. So anything problems in your skin problems in your brain problems in your in any organ any tissue of your body, usually. In in the biggest percentage of cases start somewhere in the good. And and by by correcting that then everything correctly. So right. Also, find gas and bloating such a it's such a common problem. I don't know of people necessarily connect that to maybe I have despite asus dysfunction in my gastrointestinal track. I mean, how many people by four o'clock in the afternoon feel like they're five months pregnant because there's just bloating in their feeling so gatty into stand it, and so even small signals which actually assign of allergic problem are just really being in tune with your body, and knowing how it feels and how it acts on on a daily basis, and what's normal and what's normal. Yeah. When I met my husband, I was like this is not normal. And he was shocked when he grew up in the midwest with bother who was also in his mind normal, and I'm like that is not normal not normal. Nothing about this is normal. Can appreciate how much my husband loves being a character the show, but and he took out gluten which was enough to become far more normal. But I think that we're all lot of us are programmed to be like, I always feel that way. Right, right. You don't know. What is Norman till you make a change? And that's what a lot of my patients say, and that's why I wrote I ended up writing my book because I kept giving handouts my patients, and I said, that's it. I'm going to create a clear. Correct protect program. And this is what you are saying you want to clear out the bad foods, you want to clear out the parasites you want to clear out the bacteria that Candida, and then you want to correct and you wanna put in the good bacteria. And then you want to protect the gut lining with things like glutamate and foods that are rich in glutamate. And if you follow the three steps, that's where you can start to see wellness you start to see patients feeling better. And. I think that's part of it is if people are following diets and fads you really have to go to the root. You really have to go to who's living in your gut. And God knows I've done thousands of stool tests on patients not personally, but I've sent them home with the kids and I reviewed in my twenty years of practice. I don't know how many thousands of stool tests results. And the interesting part is somebody will say why I don't have any digestive problem. I just get migraines or I get X or I get acne. Can you help me 'cause you're like the skin doctor, aren't you? And I said yes, but it's coming from your guts and more than often you'll put out put them on the clear correct protects program based on a Sesing their stool and seeing who's living in there, and who shouldn't be living in there and ninety nine percent of the time that skin problem is gone within three months and that dermatologists that we're giving them steroid creams. That's just a band-aid approach that is not getting. To the root cause and that is what we as practitioners as writers. And what we're trying to get out. There is that the root causes sitting in your gut. That is like a hundred what trillions of bugs living in there. And they're good for us. They benefit us. They're they're the best any biotic is the bacteria in your guts, you know. And when you take any -biotics it causes despite that causes a unhappy environment, and you get other symptoms, and it goes on and on and on autumn. Yoon leaky, gut all of us in this room. Have leaky got f y. It's you know, and it's only one cell thick, by the way, the epithelial lining. It's like one Celso hurt ox? Right. Isn't it a paradox because the good things that come in the nutrients vitamins, but also the bat stuff gets in as well. So we have to be really careful what we're putting in here because it is going to go in your bloodstream, and it's going to affect you. Come back to our chat and just a minute. Skin-care two little words that get a ton of air time over here at goop. Our passion runs deep so deep. We created our own line powerful. Nontoxic skin care published a book called goop claimed beauty and just launched drinkable collagen powder. So yes, we're mindful about what we put on our bodies. But we're equally tuned into what we're feeding them. And for better or worse. 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I walked couple blocks to set and never looked back and going to throw a spotlight on the shows earliest days in an effort to understand how it all got started. And some of the craziness from there. Sometimes women are having sex. That's really horrible. And that they don't even want to be having. You know, it was a shock to the system in a lot of the critics were just like what the heck is this the whole Mr. Berg real word. For better or word joins us to origin, deep dive into sex in the city. This story behind the show that revolutionized the adult sitcom and reimagined the eternal search for lust. And of course, love they were like what's just make show. If we all are happy. We'll do more get a an apple podcasts where do you dot com or wherever you get your shows. Okay. Back to our talk. Speaking of antibiotics, and sort of how on one hand there. So amazing saving and then on the other hand. Like, I grew up in the age also being doctors kid where it was like, take z pack. Let's talk about like fecal transplants and wen happening there. You said you wanted to talk about. But do you think that something like transplant are they taking a very healthy microbiome from someone else? And planting it in a sort of decimated gut. Do you think that'll become really like, I know they're studying extensively at UCLA and at other places. Do you feel like that will become a mainstream? I personally don't know if it will become a mainstream, but I'll tell you something. If you do fecal transplant on somebody to somebody else from somebody to somebody else in the somebody else who's getting the transplant doesn't eat exactly. Like the one that gave him the transplant. Eat ain't gonna work. Interesting. If if you're in the gut our decimated in new despite oh, Susan this reason why and it's most likely because what you eat and what you don't eat any. Of course, there's anti-biotics, and there's preservatives when but but if you get the bacteria for somebody and put them there on this day start living like the donor eat ain't going to work. And also if you were genetically like again, the rat studies, the genetically obese rats say, I was a neutral rat, and you're going to be the genetic obese one. Okay. They gave me because I don't want. You gave me your microbiology, and I'm a neutral rat. I'm going to end up becoming obese. So you have to be careful what microbiology you're getting. Because if you get a OB's one, I mean, I wouldn't mind getting a lean rat one day in so with the. Pressure. And so many things you get everything. Right. The it'd be careful who's microbiology you're getting. So there's no magic if you had see difficile, for example, you had a bad bacteria. You were hospitalized antibiotics only worked to certain limits. So you can get if you can get a donor and it will clear up that infection quicker than any -biotics. So there is something in it for the future. Definitely I don't think it's going to be totally mainstream. But it'll be one of those things that will be available and should be available. But you have to get the right donor. Not Connecticut OB, I don't wanna to transplant anymore. Let's talk a little bit about the Keita Janik diet. Oh, science of eating intermittent fasting. Now, what do you how in terms of what are you interested in in defined widely applicable? You know, what's interesting, the Cato genyk diets become fairy popular, eighteen months that has anybody tried Kito here, essentially the premises you eat high fat diet, low carb moderate protein, and you help your body produce something called key tones, and he owns are these water soluble molecules, and they can actually buy pass into the brain. And so people report. Yes. A lot of times. People are starting to help their body lose weight, but one of the side benefits of it is they feel so much more energetic. They feel brain fog. They've had has been lifted and they can concentrate their laser focus. They just overall feel better. And I've had so many. Consumers. Tell me I did the keystone I stayed on it because all of a sudden had more energy in the day. And yes, I lost twenty or thirty pounds. But the feeling I had in the energy levels. I had were just addictive, and I think that initially getting into this can take a couple of days. It's actually quite easy to do the switch over to eating a high fat diet has to be done, very carefully. Because it can't just be like all of a sudden you just eating tons of fat. You have to have really nourishing coconut oil and medium chain, triglycerides. For example, help your body produce key tones, very readily, so MCAT's, and when you have coconut oil as an example, it goes right to your liver, and it's burn for energy. So it functions differently in the body. So there are certain oils and nutrients that you want to incorporate when you're switching over to Akito. But I think long term also when it comes to food. I think if you're looking at something saying, there's no way in six months, I can be eating like this. I don't know if it's the right plan. I mean, yes, you might wanna wear a bathing suit on your Christmas vacation. And feel a certain way or look a certain way. But I think long term you have to really adopt an eating plan that's going to work for you. It's about lifestyle changes. It's not about losing ten pounds now and then gaining twenty back in six months. And so I think Kito the Kito Denic diet can definitely help you get there. And then I think there's a modified version of the Kito diet, and I would say that that's more similar to how I I would eat less of the definitely less refined carbs, really nourishing fats, moderate levels of protein and can be very beneficial in through I'm gonna burst the Kito bubble. Yeah. So when I when I moved from South America to to New York after medical school and in in South America, I was doing taekwondo every day has tiptop shape and moved to New York and started eating bagels and crap. And I became my the obese right? What I was doing my cardiology fellowship. And I couldn't stand it. So I went to a trainer in New York. And I sit in he had a six, and I said how what do I have to do? How are you gonna take me and how much is it gonna cost me to come? Shorting my God. And I showed him as well. You know? And this guy taught me something incredible in the in the seventies or early eighties. There was a group of bodybuilders in gold's gym in California. I used to work out and some of them were are not Schwarzenegger loofah ring. Yo and all these guys that became Mr. universe. And they had a scientist with them called Daniel or Dan Shane, and this guy was really really smart. And of course, every body builder knows that the livelihood depends. And winning competitions depends on increased muscle, mass and decreased fat a percentage right in the fight is mostly under your skin. So so you have to increase your muscle mass. You have to decrease your fat, which is tudent opposite things you have to tell the body. In one in one hundred to build an abolish stuff, right? And on the other hand to do a cat abolish process, which is burning fat, and that kind of confusing, and this this is said. He started looking at who are the leanest people around, and he realized that the leanest people around where type one diabetics that go into a crisis key to as those right when they don't have insulin around, right? And this something that can kill them. Right. And this guy said, whoa. What if I recreate this condition Keita's doses? And and because Kitone bodies actually are producing the body when the body doesn't have insulin and cannot use carbohydrates as another turn itself you'll to carbohydrates, and it's actually a survival and adapted mechanism and in the long term. It kills you. So so yes in make you lose weight make you burn fat. Right. But but easy on on the on the. Kito wagon. Right. And then what happens Dan to Shane who wrote a book about it called the opus diet? And if you're interested, you should read that in figure out how can then he was he captured the attention of a doctor Dr Atkins who said to this idea and use it and make some money on it. And then and then there was a doctor that said, well, I can not very healthy because put too much into acidosis. And so they introduce a little bit of carbohydrates became the south beach diet, and now and now there's a whole rebirth of Kito thing and nobody really fully understands. What's going on so easy on the died in the long term and the short term in just got gains and fasting though. Well, the things intermittent fasting Kito Genesis by Leo all these all these movements are no famous and detoxification in the right way. They all converge one. In in one thing, which is the formation of Kitone body. So there is something about the formation of Kito bodies and putting your body into that state that that agrees with our genetic composition because we we are still genetically very similar to where we were thousands of years ago and thousands of years ago. Most people say was nobody really knows that we were like the rest of the animals running around the planet looking for food eating it when we founded and then looking for it again until the next time we founded therefore. There were imposed times of fasting. And there was a feasting right and doing the post fasten of you, obviously you're going to Toews. So so going into does forming Kitone bodies there's something about it that that really benefits the boating now where is the limit between four Makita tomboys in going to key to acidosis, which is what type one diabetics do right before they die. We don't I don't think anybody really understands enough and looked at enough to just jump on that wagon to my God. I wanna be Kito four so get off the wagon and no wine on Kyogen. Only during twenty grams of carbs day eleven and just kidding. I wind gluten what do you think about like fasting? Do you do you in a rate that at all? Well, honestly, the thing about fasting the intermittent fasting that I like is it gives your gutter break, you know, our gut needs a bit of a break. And if you do it, you know, there's certain fasting that you can do sop eating after certain time at night, and then resume you're eating in the daytime always start with warming foods. I just think that people are doing there's so many diets and again, you need to do what's good for you. And you're going to know what works for you. And I think these intermittent fasting diets they can be tough on some people people are creatures of habit. And then we get into bad habits when we're doing those kinds of diet. So I think there is a exactly what you're saying. I mean, it's I was going to say same shit different pile at the. At the end of the day. Like, it's like all these diets are the same right there. Kate Audie move. Today, a lady and. Mom hair too. So on. No, it's true. I find that. I naturally fast. So I just kind of go with it. But I think your bunny. Yeah. In the morning. Yeah. My dad was always like if you're not hungry. Don't eat. Right. Even though so many doctors are like not even doctors. I don't even know where some of these things come from the interesting thing about our culture like the sugar like low fat. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I guess dinners cultural. Yeah. Program to do. Right. Yeah. But intermittent fasting is really good for a lot of people for the whole health of your gut and your gut a break. Most people feel really good doing that. Yeah. As anything any breakthroughs anything that you're really excited about anything that you're you want everyone to do. I am actually very excited about what you put caught my attention to which is those two father and son that are working on studying the fungal flora in the gut. Remember that? I'm I'm waiting for the right moment to go visit them where are they team Seattle where? Yeah. Doctor can't say his last name. What is it guy? It's part of bio, right? Yes. Yes. I'm dying to visit them because you introduced me to them. They vited me. Yeah. Just wanna go and see because apparently it's not just about bacteria. There's a bunch of healthy fungus that should be living in your gut. And this is what these people are working on. Yeah. And from the little conversation that I had with them sounds like its breakthrough. Fascinating stench. They're fascinating. Are there any tests that you I know you do still test? Biomass a tasks like, what are you what's in your arsenal? Where do you think people should start labs? I definitely think people should we should start at the doing still tests at least I mean, unless we come up with something more sophisticated looking out who's living in the gut the. Balance between the good the bad and the ugly. It really really does affect how you feel. We can see all these chronic illnesses, autoimmune, fibromyalgia, all these people with these symptoms that no matter what they do. They don't feel better. I think that God is a really interesting place to start. And I think the research the fascinating research around the gut. There's a lot of things we don't know. Oh scratching the surface is finally it's becoming really? And just went the foods. Everybody tells you what to do I told you what to do with test? Everybody would what to do what not to do. Don't do food allergies. Studies. Those are at best confusing at worse. A big problem. Right. There was things you do allergy tests. First of all, you don't know that the foods that they tell you are allergic to you don't really know that is true or not. And if it is true once you correct the problems in your good that may not be the pro very few people really do that. So then there's a life sentence on our Kennedy Newbury's Kennedy chicken, and it stuck it stuck in York in your head. And then you even have a psychological reaction. But I think it's a more yourself go to the mat, I totally which thing I think if you do it properly and again with exactly what you said, you could have a. Problem with blueberries because you're having leaky gut that intolerance once you fix your gut. It'll go away go away. But I like to take the burden off the body initially to get rid of some of the votes, and psychological you need to counsel the person, you can't just have a random, you know. And it has to be a good lab. And you also have to understand that test is not full proof. There's fifteen percent false negativities. And there's a there's a whole psychological thing around it. But what I find is. When you give people the hope that they can start to feel better by limiting some of the foods. They will then do everything in their power to them eat healthy, they're on. And so it's one of the things one of the tools, I use clinically. But it does exactly I love what you said. It has to be explained properly. It has to be there's a whole psychological thing around. It can the cells are turning over all the time. So it's like get another chance to get. And I think that's the silver lining in health and why nutrition and natural health products. And food can be so impactful every three months or body, and your cells continually rebuilding, and I think this is huge because you can get better, and you can you can feel better. Well, the body has an innate ability to let self if given the right environment that would be then you can feel better Louis, look like you. Thank you guys. Thanks for joining us today. I know you couldn't say Alejandro and Carleen, but I don't think ever moderate a better looking panel or wiser one definitely check out their sights and books and head over to give dot com slash podcast. If you want to see more got health tomorrow the day before thanksgiving, I'll be back on the podcast with someone who has changed the way I think about gratitude the following week. We'll have to podcast one on Tuesday and one on Thursday. 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Are We Lying More?

The goop Podcast

51:10 min | 1 year ago

Are We Lying More?

"You're listening to the podcast made possible by our friends at blue diamond. We're big snacker is around the office. You know, the drill three o'clock rolls around. And you find yourself reaching for whatever is lying around striking distance last resort snacking, as it turns out, usually isn't all that satisfying. Which is why we decided to give our snack drawers makeover. And stock them at the blue diamond whole, natural almonds. I go for hamels before meetings often multiple handfuls, if I'm honest because they're that good between the fat and minerals and blue diamonds non-parole supreme almonds. They're significantly healthier them popping, candy or chips throughout the day. And they actually tide me over until dinnertime head over to group dot com for some recipes made with blue diamond whole, natural almonds. I'm gonna th Paltrow and year listening to the goop podcast. Thanks for joining us. If this is your first time, here's what you can expect every Thursday and a bunch of Tuesday's coming up. Coop. Editors we'll be sitting down with thought leaders who are pushing boundaries in their fields. We'll talk to doctors creatives CEO's and relationship experts. You'll hear me interviewing some of the people I admire most in this world, and you'll also hear a lot from my chief content officer at goop the lease Lunen. I love listening to his interviews because she asked the smartest questions and really just lessons. Today's guest is Jeff Hancock the founding director of the Stanford social media lab and professor at Stanford University. He is best known for his work on deception and trust in the ways in which we lie to each other both on the internet and in real life. His research also focuses on sociopaths and language patterns, which is truly fascinating our chief content officer lease Lou. Naan sat down with Jeff to talk about why we all lie if and when it matters, and whether he thinks trust is declining or perhaps evolving is complicated. I think that people's sense of trust is declining. And that's a real problem, and that could lead to changes in pave your, but right now our behaviors still one of trusting. Now, it's time for a lease and Japan. Cock. You're gonna tell me that I probably lied today. You have lied today. Probably you know, because I knew I was going to talk to you. I even held one back the very friendly coffee lady at the airport at five AM wanted to know where I was going. I almost like to her wanna didn't wanna get into the details. Didn't want to get into the details. Often. Like a lot of times lies are just about simplifying things. And you know, what if the other person finds out they'd be like good? I'm glad you lied to me. No big deal because that made it simpler, right? And then when I was late. I knew if I if I didn't become extremely specific that you would calm the app for to be on my way. Yes. Backed I waited to text you until we were literally. Do you know that that's one of the default messages that came with the iphone on my way on my way. Which makes me sometimes wonder like did that to the fact that default message was there then 'cause the on my way phenomenon because I don't I just don't remember. But like when we were younger did we say on my way, when we weren't on our way because you couldn't really say I was on my way because you literally had to be at a landline. Right. Right. So so it's interesting thing we've been looking at stuff that I hadn't even we haven't even talked to before but communication technologies now are often suggesting responses to us. So when you Romi said, hey, Jeff, I'm on my way. I swear to God, my machine said sounds I had these options sounds good. All right here at lying. Mine automatically has a year lying about on it. But right. So now, we're seeing these AI systems sitting between humans and there's. Now, all new kinds of forms of deception that can take place there because the I could suggest something that is actually deceptive. The I might not know maybe in the future. Well, but I could be like, oh, you know, it will be just be easier. If I said this and click the lie. So it actually like this new kind of we call it a mediated communication because the is like working on our messages. They could actually start creating more lies and triggering more lies much like, you know, the default on my way, maybe started some two and also sort of creating an in an excuse, right, right. Yeah. Exactly. And you know, once these systems start connecting to my calendar, and my current location and pass things I've said an Email they could actually craft deceptions for us. We see these what we call Butler lies which things around like, I can't talk now because my phone's dead or on my way. But really, you're not. You gotta magin systems functioning like butlers or assistance that will lie a little bit for you to help manage the fact, you're running late or that you forgot an appointment or call. So it'll be interesting to see how these systems conceptualize like is deception by machines. Okay. And our Butler lies is that is that a white lie. I mean at what point is it is it problematic. I mean, clearly it's not that big of a deal and someone might say, oh, well like emotionally, I'm on my way. Preparing. Yeah. Psychologically to walk out the door. But like what point is that Brom, right? Is. It's a good question because we just finished a study that's out. Now looking at we call the discovery phases. So it's right after you both swiped right on say, Tinder or any of these other systems, but before you've met in person, and what happens there is text with each other. And so we got a couple hundred people to share with us all these discovery messages. So you might be texting to see like do I really wanna like go to coffee with her? And then we also got them to identify when they lied, and it turned out there were two main kinds of lies one is like to appear more attractive, and you know. Okay. So that's obvious. But the other was these Butler lies, so oh, I can't have coffee tomorrow. I'm busy or go to town on week. And what we found was that. Those lines were typically okay because it was easier on both people insane. I just don't find you attractive enough to meet you, right? Like, tell me that you're busy with work. That's cool. Because then I don't have to deal with the fact that you don't think I'm attractive. So those kind of seemed to work well for both parties when it does go bad as win. They're sort of this repeated ignoring so one of the most painful things for a human is to be excommunicated. In fact, that was the most extreme form of punishment. The Catholic church could do for a long time. You were just literally not allowed to communicate with anybody in in the flock. So we have interviews with young people where they would tell us these stories when polarize hurt and usually it was when friends would put them off we Peterle Ono. Can't hang out today. Can't hang out today. I'm busy. I'm busy. So that the person just lily felt shunned and it moves then from protecting. Everybody's feelings of not feeling wanted in the moment to feeling shunned. And that's a deeply painful experience is that mar painful than ghosting. Or are. What's what's better in that situation? Yeah. I mean, so ghosting can be done for some good reasons. Right. So early on we helped dating companies ghost bad guys guys like psychopaths stalkers one way is to tell them. Look, you're done in other ways. Just let them pretend that they're still doing everything and nobody response them. They feel bad. They feel so good Nate leave and no damage to anybody ghosting done into personally. So like, I just ignore you. That's really painful. It's it's it's probably the same as a Butler lie where you're like, look, I know you can't be busy all the time. And you just keep on saying this, and it's like insulting and ghosting is just Gooding's probably worse because. Humans are really good at a managing things. And when I'm getting nothing from you. I can imagine all kinds of stuff. You hate me. You're angry with me you forgotten me. And it could be you truly are just busy or you. Don't know what to say or your embarrassed. But when there's no communication between people can feel really painful because we can imagine all these things are much worse than they might be. We have to finish the story of like in our minds. Yes, right now, we can't just there's no ways I mean away. It's some people are always surprised that social media can be so powerful either like, you know, really negative like people can be so mean, cyberbullying and trolling on the flip side. You see, you know, people getting married and fall in love and online, and is now the second most popular way to meet somebody. Why is that? Well, social media's like a thinner sort of channel. I don't get as much as like you. And I right now face to face and paradoxically. That's all. Triggers all this imagination simulation? So if you've ever read a book and gonna see the movie, it's almost always a disappointment because you're magic nation. From those words was much richer, and it fits your ideas better than some director. No matter what the the budget is. So I think it's another reason why social medias so powerful is paradoxally because there's less information. So I have a bunch of questions about social and also you mentioned psychopaths. So how do you whether it's online dating social Email in person? How do you? How do you know, you're dealing with a psychopathic sociopathic logical liar. Yeah. So my my colleague, and dear friend, Mike Woodworth, and I have been studying psychopaths since sort of like the modern age so can. In you, analyze somebody's emails or text messages or Facebook post to see if they're like one of the dark triad. So like a deep narcissist Machiavellian or psychopath, which we focus on a lot. It turns out you can suspect past speak differently than nonsense, and we see this not only in the kind of murderers in in prison that Mike, you know, deals with but also students are really high on this. So they tend to have a really hard time not expressing negative emotion. Like really powerful they have a hard time holding back swearing their language tends to be really complicated in we call. It disfluent means it's difficult to read. And so, you know, when Mike and I consult with companies or do workshops with you know, companies or leadership groups one of the main things, we talk what are these sunshine principles, which is get somebody your way too. Psychopath or like a dark personality to be to be using text because actually with Texas difficult for them to be as manipulative as they are face to face. So in Mike's research, he can get people to do a negotiation task. And when you're negotiating with a psychopath. They're gonna they're gonna win. They're going to like manipulate you. You will get less money. Okay. Then he does the same task. But he puts everybody the psychopath in you into text based chat or direct message. And not only does the psychopath. Not manipulate us much, they perform worse. And so we don't know what it is. What what whether they're able to read people really, well, if they're doing things non verbally. But when you put them into taxed, they lose some of their manipulation power interesting. We think so. What are the implications of that? Well, this is what we work on with, you know, especially leadership, and you know, board of directors and executives where if you have a psychopath in a high position cause real damage to accompany. So how do you deal with a psychopath, and there's no one, you know, way that works every time, but one of them is to use systems like slack where you so K. There's no more private conversations and everything is going to be in this text based environment where there's record. And that's why we call the sunshine principles. We kind of conceptualize these bad guys like vampire, right in the more sunshine. You put on them. Ironically, text being the best the less. They're able to be played people the less able to create you know, they create other people in the company, so they'll get some people to be like their patsies. So these are people that they'll use until they're no longer valuable. They'll get other people to be there sort of protectors. And then they also identify people that they know. Okay. That person they don't really like me, whatever they they don't affect me so bystanders or they might even be people. They don't like, but by forcing everybody to be communicating via taxed in an open environment. They can't isolate the patsies. They can't isolate the protectors. The can't isolate the enemies. So there's lots of interesting things to be done now around technology and also training people to identify if they're dealing with a psychopath. And then how you manage that person or manage them out? How common is it knife? Feel like we're in the age of narcissism, and we have obviously been for a little while now now, but people are definitely becoming better at denting narcissists in their own lives. Or maybe that they had a narcissistic parent is our psychopaths more common than we think. Is there a spectrum? How how big of an issue is that. Yeah. Well, estimates of like hardcore real. Deal psychopaths are a relatively low so less than a percent. However, if you run a twenty thousand person company, you know, you gotta chunk of them as you climb up the corporate ladder. There are some attributes of psychopaths that make them, you know, can be really successful. So for instance, there their risk profile. They tend to be extremely bold. Well, here in Silicon Valley boldness is like considered a prime trait. So, you know, it's always the Casey thing. Well, this person is about their for we have to get rid of them. It could be like, man. This guy's willing to take the risks that we need to do. And we're gonna follow his vision. And maybe treats people poorly to some degree, and we're going to deal with that. So it's not all or nothing. And that's where the spectrum comes in. So it certainly the case there are some people that are cyclists, and they will destroy lives anybody that they touch, you know, they can cost companies massive amounts of money. And you know, you never wa. Want that person in your company, but there are people that demonstrate some of these traits, and perhaps, you know, you can find the right role for that person. Briefer answers, not super common in the general population prison population, it can get up to like twenty percent prison population. And then the corporate world, we don't have a great idea. But we know they're more common in the general population because they're attracted to both that power, and the those dynamics, but also they have these attributes that can be valuable. And so do you think that there's a version are maybe at Ardy exists of what you guys are doing where you can assess Email tax slack messages and start to understand who people are with Inc psychopath or not. But that where you do you think that's going to become the next major defining personality? Like how you communicate? How you are. Yeah. What in my view in the way? I all my research. You know the way. What we type and and what we say to each other is increasingly being recorded, right? And you know, some fairly near future. Everything we say into will be recorded on some device, and I might own all of that might be in my pocket might be in a cloud. Maybe my company owns that. But everything we say do recorded, and it's very clear that we can infer many many things from all of that that data. So last year really nice study on Instagram, for example, showed that you could identify people that were suffering depression better with an algorithm, then having like, you know, an interview with doctor so for Mike, and I yeah, what you say in your in your messaging, really matters, both privately. But also what you know, a CEO says to accompany what they say on the on their website when they're talking to the world and increasingly when you're using messenger to interact with consumers. So no, you know, Mike, and I. Develop tools now to help screen venture, capless leaders boards of directors. They all wanna make sure that they're screening out these really bad actors dark personality psychopaths, you know, nasty narcissists Machiavellian is all right. That's exactly what we do is develop tools that are both like about interviewing and questions, but also analyzing behavior in Ken, you tell you know, going back to social media, it can you tell how requesting or how often or how aggressively people are lying. Well, the thing now is that social media is part of almost all aspects of human life and line is driven more by what we're trying to do in life than what medium were using. So there's lots of cases where people on social media your Russian agent trying to manipulate the US population to become more polarized. Well, that guy's gonna be lying basically all the time about not only his identity, his her identity. But also the messages that they're sharing you, and I are trying to coordinate on finding time to interview on campus where using social media type tool, so texting Email, maybe we communicate via Facebook does like no reason that either of us would lie. So what we've come to realize is that what people are trying to accomplish is going to be much more important around deception than what the medium is the Russians examples a really good one, which I sort of like failed to see. So as a psychologist. I'm really interested in, you know, how do we lie to each other and our friends and our family, maybe within a business, and I hadn't thought about, you know, the idea that a foreign government would, you know, use this technique at scale sort of weaponize it, and I think with that brings up his with social media. There's really roughly two worlds. That we communicate with one is people. I know people expect to know. So my family, my friends coworkers dates that I'm hoping to meet right? So that's one world the known world. And then there's this changing world, which is contacts information things that come to me through social media. But from sources that I I don't know, and maybe never expect to know. When it comes to the known world are known network. I think line works very similar to the way. It does face to face. We might even lie to each other less because of the records there left behind the ability to search and copy and share and check things when it comes to the stranger network. You know, it looks like. There is no limit on the deception you can be exposed to. The reason I'm still optimistic is we had this with Email. Spam was ruining Email. You could go back into the nineties and look at you know, hundreds of articles is Email dead. Is it ruined? Because of spam. You know, every other Email with some Nigerian prince you gonna give you all this money. Let's gone that is no longer a real problem in Email, and it was solved sort of three ways. The first is. The regulators realized they could go after the money. So spam was all about money. A lot of misinformation is about money. So once they went after the banks and took down Bank options for these guys that helped ballot. The other is the big tech companies took responsibility. And even today there are billions and billions of spam messages that never get to us. They're blocked before they get to us, and that's really crucial is that the tech companies took responsibility and just dealt with it and the third is we got better as consumer. We know how Email works, you know, how many of these technologies work, and you know, I see spam. And it's no longer like oh God. What is this? I just delete it. So with social media is gonna be the same thing. We're kinda like early nineties Email or mid mid nineties Email where the tech companies are just now realizing they're responsible, but they haven't figured out how to solve it. We're in the process of being educated think the twenty sixteen election was. Huge wakeup call for society lease in the US, and unfortunately may have like people like the Russians manipulating us. It's not about money. But a lot of the almost all social media revenue comes from advertising so outside of hostile foreign governments. A lot of the fake news misinformation unfortunate driven by money. So once those three things kind of like are implemented, I'm optimistic that this problem is handled. I have a lot of their colleagues here journalists, especially they're like this is like bigger than that. So I could be wrong. I think it's bigger. But I also think that you're right. I mean, I feel like that alone. I think like you. I don't not many of us had the imagination right to think that we were being right to hold in Russia. Right. So bright. At simple, exactly an obviously it wasn't. It happened all over the world. Right. So do you think lie is, you know, you're Canadian do you feel like it's like it's an internationally that. There are similarities culturally their similarities, or do you feel like there are certain things that are specifically American Canadian. Yeah, good question. So I spent a year in France, so on sabbatical, and the French were able to resist some of the media manipulation in their election that we failed here in the US to resist Brexit suffered a lot of manipulation Italy did as well. And so I I don't know the answer. But I do know that there's a whole world out there. That's trying to manipulate the media. And you know, this is all the way from really far right wing. I would argue has really worked on trying to manipulate the media because of perceived biases in. The media, but white. White supremacist, for example, they become very adept at it. And I think we need, you know, we need to be studying that stand that. So the journalists in an ultimately consumers of news can be sure what the right word is. But sort of more impervious to this manipulation exactly even dislike the inherent contacts of like who is more information, right or just like even the verification of profile or AP or? Yeah. Feels like it can't be that hard. Right. I mean, right now, anybody can be anybody still on the internet, and that's probably going to be one of the next big changes is, you know, verified identities but verifying with the driver's license. And you know, what company will be in charge of that? And things there's many questions to be solved there, but we still out of new kinds of technologies emerging that are more decentralized blockchain, for example. So maybe these these kind of identity issues get solved. In that way. I know it's probably too early to tell. But do you feel like things like fake news and the election, and that that's shaken the foundations of trust between people or do you think it's strengthened it or do you think it's irrelevant? It's definitely shaken how people think about trust. So there's lots of evidence from the Edelman. Trust reports done every year around the world to this poll that's dumb with high school students in grade twelve every year and trust in our fellow Americans were example, but in the Ilma port also around the world is declining and these are questions like how much can you trust your fellow citizen, and that's been declining. But does that mean that trust is declining? So there's a important distinction here. That's cautious have seen for a long time. There is what people say in what they're thinking their attitudes. And then there's what they do. So we were hearing people's they'll I don't trust people as much I certainly don't trust say journalists and CEO's and church pastors as much, but then we can look at behavior and the sharing economy, for example, is booming around the world. And here's a situation where you know, a young girl in San Francisco after going to the barn. Having a few drinks calls an Uber or lift and gets in a car with a stranger drives home mass much trust. That's something that my parents would have said never do that. But it's actually the right thing to do for everybody for the young girl. It's much safer than driving home. It's much safer than getting to a car with a stranger. She met at the bar. Right. So it's complicated. I think. At people's sense of trust is declining. And that's a real problem, and that could lead to changes in pave your, but right now our behaviors still one of trusting. Let's take a quick break. We'll get right back to the chat. 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To get the full recipes editors whipped up with blue diamond whole natural ovens. Let's get back to our chat with Japan. Cock. Going back to the beginning of our conversation. And the and this is the leap you can check me. But when I feel like we have become so fast and loose with our conversation. We the small things the on my ways the Butler lives as you call them which inherent which might not be harmful. But I do think that when we're out of integrity, even in really small ways that roads trust. And I think we also we were talking about this before we started recording. But we all bullshit so much now. Right and bullshitting really being I'll let you defined. But this idea that we feel like we should have an opinion about everything and every world event. And so we don't know what we're talking about. I do it too. Obviously winging it as like formed opinion when reality I might not know. Right. Right. Right. Well, you know, there's been this decline interest in sort of experts and elites and one positing came the Edelman survey this year was sort of rebounded trust in experts. So maybe there's some hope here that you know, people. Well, you know, maybe maybe journalists were doing something good for us. And I shouldn't just trust. What my neighbor posted on Facebook about their view of climate change, or what have you so? Right. So everybody feels like they can have because everybody can have opinion. Maybe everybody feels like they should should have one. And we're much less willing to say, I don't know powerful word. Right, right. I mean as a as a professor of certainly felt that to mean, I stand up in front of a group of students get asked a really good question. I don't know the answer to when I was a young professor bullshit would come out of my mouth. I sure 'cause it's embarrassing. And you're you don't wanna look dumb in front of which people. Now, I say things that's a great question is anybody else want to answer that? But so this notion of bullshit, which is essentially saying things without regard to the truth. So it's not exactly the same as line and philosophers have gone around around on whether bullshit is actually different than light or not. But that's the main thing when you lie you're trying to convince somebody of something that you know, to not be true. When you bullshit, you don't care whether what you're saying is true or not. And so I've written about how and others have to Donald Trump is kind of a bullshitter like he'll often just say stuff, and it's not clear whether he knows that it's wrong. Whether he just is like, I'm just gonna say this. I have no idea whether it's whether it's right or not. And so he's a really great example of bullshit, and it becomes more problematic. When he's in this role of president, and that you know is really worrisome, but whether we're bullshitting more now. Now compared to before is essentially impossible to say, we just don't have date on that. But we can look back, and like the Greeks were worried whether there's dodgy knees, and you know, some some you may know the story, but he walked around with a lantern the ideas, he was looking for a single on us, man. And he dies without ever. Finding one's really uplifting story. So, you know, twenty five hundred years ago, the Greeks had the same fin of like there's too much bullshit going on here in Greece. And like, we gotta become more. Honorable and like Saturdays willing port and it wasn't just in western civilization. Heels a C around the same time roughly couple thousand years ago Confucius a lot of his philosophy touched on notions of often Tissot insincerity and concern that you know, people aren't sincere enough. So while it feels really really salient right now like for everything fake news misinformation. Anybody can. Say anything to you feeling right now. This concern is really really old human concern. And what's the motive like why do people? I well, you know, there's as many reasons for people lying to tell the truth to honest, and you know, the good news is most the time. Most people tell the truth and most of the time, we believe that other people say, and that's exactly the right thing to do. So in our, you know, just because it's top of mind. Our recent study looking people lie in online dating messages before the meet someone think it was seven percent of all the messages where tagged by the by the daters deceptive seven seven percent. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Right. Yeah. Like when kind of shocking Dave Margaret's when we first we're like that feels good like that's a low amount. And even more importantly, many the data's never lied. Once. It was a few. What we call a few prolific liars that that's very few people that lied. They accounted for like seventy percent of all the lies. So most people in our sample. Never lied in their online dating messages and some light a lot. And maybe those people even weren't like awful people. Maybe they truly were like in a position where they didn't feel comfortable meeting. Someone like a young woman, maybe not feeling comfortable meeting that guy. Right. And so she lied is a form of security, for example, the recruiting other ones was like, you know, guys pumping themselves up to be more attractive. But you know, and we see this again, and again, and again in that sort of known network world, people don't lie that much even social media when it's with people, they know or expect to know lots of reasons for that if you're viewed by your social network, the group of people you care about is a liar. Things are not gonna go well for you. I like people stop trusting, you people stop, you know, talking to you as much they won't share secrets with you can really undermine your, you know, psychological health. Whereas if you trust people all the time on the flip side, you know, it's the right thing to do almost all the time. You're being told the truth and our default is to trust each other. So. You know, I'm I am Canadian. But I'm you know, and so that might account for it. But I'm an optimist. I really do believe that people are most of the time, really honest. What about the line between? I don't know if you'd call it deception, but but maybe editing and just thinking about social on a no, it's it's obviously a big conversation. I'm sure you've looked at it. But this idea particularly within the world of lifestyle. Although it's wider than that. But this like, very edited view of your life. That's very perfect. Yes, is thought Bod does it matter. We get asked this all the time. You know, we study social media. We say deceptions of question is like if I put up all the great photos for my vacation in Italy or something might being deceptive because like my nice. My life's not all about beautiful time in Italy. And I think it depends a little bit. But everybody's default. So this seems Bill. Yeah. That's all deceptive like, we're all just putting up the best stuff on Facebook. But I think back to like, you know, our conversation before we started. We didn't talk about like all the crappy mundane stuff in our lives. Like, I didn't tell you about how you know, the shuttle here took a really long time 'cause it's boring. Also, I don't know you super well. So I'm not gonna share like negative stuff with you. So am I being deceptive in our conversation because I only talked about the good things about. Say my trip to Italy. Well, I don't think so. And I'm guessing you wouldn't either. So, you know. I encourage people to like listen to a conversation on a bus between two people in most of the stuff is really boring mundane, and there's good reason why they don't share that kind of stuff on Facebook because it's boring and mundane. So of course, we want to share the like positive things the interesting things that happen to us than I personally don't see it as deceptive. I see it as presenting to the world. What I what I want right now, I'm dressed like a professor of got like a shirt on. And I'm dressed in a way where I was in front of students. They would say, okay. That's a professor. This is not what I wear to my hockey games at the locker room with my barely guys. You don't like this smells, much worse much worse. But there I'm presented a different way. And I don't talk like this, even right? So then am I being deceptive? Because here I'm speaking on this proper way, I'm wearing professor type clothes. No. That's what I am. And when I'm in the hockey. The locker room, and I'm you know, being maybe more crude and talking about different things that's not deceptive either I'm in the hockey locker room. So to me social meat is just another context. No, I think that makes sense. I feel like it's one of the things that we are sort of hyper tuned to culturally. Yes. Very new. Yeah. Presenting photos of ourselves all the time. It's really really really new it's, but it's in some ways the same. You know, my dad used to put together like slide shows to music from his travels, and we would gather in the living room and watch them. It doesn't seem that different. You get to watch them on your own pictures of family members on the wall. Here's pitcher of my daughter to give a beautiful pitcher. She's not always that beautiful think. Like, so do we walked down our friends hallways and be like man, you're so deceptive your family's not just good looking like, no because we expect like put the nice photos up because we're the, you know, we wanna memorialize though, those people in. Yeah. It's frustrating to me when people are like, oh, a, you know, social media's just a bunch of like positive things honest online. I just fundamentally disagree with that. Yeah. And I think that you see a lot of Alner ability and a lot of entity and social as well and a lot of shared community, and that shouldn't be discounted just because someone takes really good food photograph, right? In fact, I haven't seen this documentary myself, but call you mine told me that some interviews with Chinese users. They were they would be insulted. If somebody posted something that didn't have the image filtered would be considered like what I'm not a good enough friend for you to make me look good that you've gotta face shown everyone. Yeah. So like there was a new norm emerging where it's like not cool to not filter. That's interesting face tuning is a little different. Yes. It is. That's another level. That's another. There's all kinds of scary. Truly scary deceptive things coming over the horizon, so related to our AI conversation so changing video. So that it looks like somebody said something that they didn't or that. They did something in this work being done here at Stanford where you can modify video to look like somebody did something that they actually didn't. And this is going to become increasingly increasingly common tool, and we'll have to figure out ways to to fight back against that. But no, it's not to say that everything's you know roses, I believe that, you know, as humans, there's lots of bad things, we do and these are set of tools that can be used for that. Like, you know, one of the big concerns. The parents talked about his his, bullying and social media has given bullies. Just incredible new tools that allow them to things and cause harm that him. Before thankfully, I think this is one area that the big media company. Of taken responsibility on everybody's working hard to fight back against bullying. But there's no question that being a young person today the potential of being bullied, and they damage that can be done is worse than probably when I was a kid when I was a kid you had to be in the same room with the person to really bully them. Now. Blink can take bison many many different ways. I agree with you. It seems like for a lot of these tech generated problems. There are will be tech generated solutions and social solutions. Right. Like, where it's like, a mom, you know, moms and dads are like looks son. That is not okay to do that's against our family's values. And you know, you're gonna get punched for that and educators and the perfect being bullied like there's going to be technical solutions to it. But I, you know, probably the biggest solutions will be social the example. I was give is. When my wife, and I I went to a Broadway show. It's like two thousand and we go in and it's like announcement after announcement about turn your phone off their big signs like if you if it rings during this broad during this show, you'll be fined five hundred dollars, and it's real there was really a law. And now we go to show, and there might be like one thing. Like, hey, turn off your phones because everybody knows to turn off their phones. We we solve that problem socially. We didn't have to build like special domes of silence. You know? It'll kill every phone thing. We came up with a social solution. Which is when that phone rang. We all just like, oh, you're a bad human that. Perfect. Just like oh my God. God what have I done? So shame. You know, it can be affected. But but I mean is like social responses to these technological problems the Butler lie lying about not being available is a social response to the fact that we've created technologies that make it. So now that you have my number. You can call me can touch me literally anytime anywhere twenty four seven and so. As much as I like you. There will be times might not wanna talk to you. I can't imagine. I know it's hard to imagine. But I would I might possibly say a Butler lie rather than saying, you know, what I just don't want to talk to you. Yeah. I understand. I have to ask you about being a border agent and Canada. Yes. So keeping nasty American honest coming into Canada. Seriously. Why were you thinking you're going into like an different trajectory? I was a psychology student and one of the possibly in fact, my friend, Mike who I do the psychopathy work with. He was like, hey, we could become customs officers because cannon in the summertime tourism goes through the roof. So the way that candidate deals with that is the train in deputize undergraduates from across the country to be border agents for the summer, basically. So we were both psychologists like man that sounds amazing. And sure enough it was we started working there as a psychologist. It was like an amazing job because you got to see how people reacted in. This instance, you went through people's, you know, motorhomes. Through their boats rolling gear. And actually, it's the first time when we started thinking seriously deception, so I remember we were being chained in Mike. And I asked the question like, how do we tell someone's lying to us? Like, you can't what? Well, we're young psychologists. And so we said, you know, we'll create a manual for you guys. And they were like right on go ahead and do that and Mike, and I spent the summer when we weren't doing the border in the library looking all the stuff up, and it turns out. No, there is no single way to tell. If somebody's line lying. There is no Pinocchio knows. I loved it. They were like, that's cool. Go right. That's so I can't imagine that. Like optimistic and I think they were disappointed us when we wrote our final report. And it was like, you know, here's some things that might happen. Like, pupils dilate voice. Go up a little bit in these high stakes lies. But really you can't tell if somebody's line. That's pretty amazing when you're working like everyone should know border agent. They're just winging it well, they're winning it when they have. Well, they they have exactly so we tend to have a lot of other information. So interview is sort of like one piece, but the car pulls in you see driver's license in something as simple as like, oh, they're coming from Texas. The likelihood that person has a handgun in vehicle is is much higher to that kind of very simple kind of contextual information. That's almost how all eyes are caught as some other information, and we had teams that would do they were looking for criminal and smuggling type stuff. So they would maybe get some Intel that some someone was going to be smuggling. So then they'd be there that day, and we're all waiting for this guy to show up. So yeah, looks like we caught him in the interview. But in fact, we had Intel they're coming through. So you know, when you go through borders immigration is number one and not separate from like are you smoking. Like, do you do you login belong here in the US is like really taken that seriously now, and then yeah, like sometimes it will look really nervous. But the thing is everybody looks really nervous when they go through. So after a while after looking through thousands of thousands of things you get some idea something suspicious here with this person's story. Now, you're developing other tools, right? So while humans are really bad at detecting deception in general computers can do decent jobs in something. So there's some colleagues of built systems to do border interviews and the computer analyzes the voice the body movement. And the words my research group here we analyze the word. We develop algorithms to tell if like is that review written by somebody that actually stayed in that hotel or or somebody else that we right algorithms to look it out. So we're always looking at like, what are the cues or the linguistic footprints of ally for this particular kind of lie 'cause like if I were to write a program for Butler lies, it would do terribly trying to find fake reviews and that fake review program would be terrible at finding online dating lies, and that would do terrible at trying to tell the president was lying, right? You know, there's as many ways to lies to tell the truth. Yeah. It's a wild problem. Yeah. It really is. And you can see why people worry about it. Right. We wanna feel like we're being told the truth, and we can tell when we're being lied to xactly. It's so human. Yes. It's a core court human thing. And it's why when you know, there's this great survey around the world, seventy seven different cultures number one cue that everybody thinks is predictive of line like if I can tell if somebody's line if I look at this. It's the is. And it turns out is are not predictive of lying so liars can look laugh they can look, right. They can look right at you. Humans can't use is to tell if somebody else's line. But we all believe that like the eyes are the window to the soul. Sorry, guys. Yeah. Sorry. The good news. Again, though is most of the time people are telling the truth. Well, let's believe that. Thanks so much for joining our conversation with Jeff Hancock today. You can learn more about his work at Jeff hyphen, handcock dot com. Okay. Let's get to that. Ama. The fan. Oh asks how did you react to the most difficult periods? Psychologically, how'd you overcome it? That's a very good question. I would say that probably my most difficult period, psychologically was after my father died for the few years after that. And then sort of compounded by the postnatal depression. I had when my son was born. It was tough. I think it's hard when you get very very down like that. I think one of the most difficult parts is how do you kind of pull yourself up out of it? And it was a long process. I think I went back to therapy. I recommitted to exercise and I- recommitted to you know, good diet. I think also I was going through a couple years of very extended cheat time eating a lot of French fries and being pregnant, and that kind of thing, and I started to talk to friends, I think, you know, a lot of us tend to be guarded about things when we're having a hard time or not wanting to burden people with our troubles. And I think it's very important to reach out to somebody who really, you know, their their intention is your highest. Good. And to really connect with them. 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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 712  July SP Rankings

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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 712 July SP Rankings

"Hello in one though the seven twelve of the sleeper in the bust it is tuesday july second on ios baltimore in a stream of solo talking about pitching teaching it's stupid there's not enough is dumb dumb play fantasy baseball all right thanks for listening to the episode i'll be catching up with you guys down the line okay as dumb but it is indeed stupid i do in fact hate it but you should keep playing fantasy baseball 'cause i mean it's pretty fun it's really frustrating but still pretty fun fun despite its fron that's when you for frustrating in fun you're you're front now i'm gonna talk about these i'm talking about these rankings and then i'm gonna answer your questions in the comments 'cause you're gonna have a bunch because i don't know what the hell's going on but guess what you don't either so let's you know comment let's talk about some stuff but don't don't be a dick either don't act like you got all the answers 'cause you don't and i don't nobody knows it's wild going man and you know we've been talking about was whether it's with justin or with nick the pitching landscape success and that you know and i am probably engaging in a measure of hyperbole with that and so it's a little bit of a boy who cried wolf situation now because now it really sucks and everyone's like well yeah even saying that don't like no this is different this is extra suck this is super stuff you know why because we've lost so many people's court i mean yeah does attrition i i know i'm not really breaking ground here but you know kluber tie on glass now now still on a scale that's three becky's you know at least a one in in a couple of twos or maybe two ones in a two right now the way glass now is pitching just from last month we take off hamels lopez gasman urania you know those guys are no good the bad the best ones though he took off from last month are cresco hill peacock doc but the depth that those other the first ones i said ad is something frankie montage get suspended i it's so bad it's so bad let's let's let's talk about it let's just let's just get in there let's just jump into it if you know yeah 'em with the number one's not a whole lot of movement there i kept blake snell in really seeing what he did his last time out he maybe should have been moved down i'm sure i'm sure there'll be some comments i moved down three spots which is not that much but in the in the realm of like the upper tier kind kind of is you know so there is that 'em walker bueller becomes a number one and he's just pitching so you know let me be honest we'd be clear the distinction between a a number one in a daily basis and the must start is minimal minimal you know frankly as i'm saying that right now i probably should just put a little m s a must start tag next is now instead of the number one because you know the little tier descriptions i do i put the truly is a fantasy baseball and he has not been any true ace offense baseball so if you want if you wanna get me on that i got it buddy okay i just be changing his tag not really his 'em not really his ranking and so yeah teammate charlie morton should probably at okay okay i understand i forgot mike clemenger when i first when i first heard that too and i don't know how that happens sorry club dog but he's he's still in the start i know he's just got absolutely obliterated 'em unlike okay sure you you wanna react to some of the stuff but who you're gonna elevate serious question like who are you gonna elevated above these guys that's what i would that's what i would constantly want no 'cause i don't really know i don't really know the answers are so for me the answers as far as who was elevated at least up any a in the higher tiers here was jose burritos but he just move within tier brandon woodruff mike minor they moved into the must starts don't really see how you're taking them out of your lineup right now jayco torrisi moved up a lance lynn moved up big right now i mean his underlying skills extra says he irish should be better 'cause it's not even under four right now it it has been of late but if you look at is like full season i think he's got like had to ninety four fit striking everybody out you know huber looks a lot like he did in new york a lot like that for a freelance lynn as far as his numbers go he's been great he really has 'em you know he gave up five against the white sox three other day but he went seven you off that that's what a workhorse does obviously not every five earned runs hunting is made the same but you know summer just like you don't have it you're getting smoked but others are hey you're not you know you're missing some stuff but you're not totally ineffective is the bullpen better than you right now no so we're gonna let you keep going on damage there's another homer but are you still you know pitch pitch more effective than one weekend bringing yeah and then all of a sudden he makes it seven innings there's a to ninety four lance lynn does in his last ten starts sixty seven in third innings eighty two strikeouts excellent he hasn't gone fewer than six innings in any of those starts any one d a the seven in five by the way the seventy five right now forward in the first that's part of it to you could have a terrible first inning and again it's that it's that point of like well how how terrible stuff right now it's not that bad kenley see what you look like with another inning and then all of a sudden maybe it's a lot better looking in the second inning and they just kind of keep hey we're back to a normal start you kind of a race the first inning in a pitcher i'm sure tells tells their coaches what's up i have today man i'm liking grind out to more or i'm fine you know they just they got four runs but if you leave me out there i'm gonna put up five more in his case six six more so lance lynn gets a big boost some of the bigger drops within upper tiers 'em let's see here i'm thinking like double digits are just just around a just around that james paxton eight zack wheeler down nine the twenty seven paxton wants to twentythree paddick down ten twenty nine caleb smith down eleven thirty four and he's due back this week that's why you gotta go in on a demand go reminds do back tomorrow being wins day so that's why they he was in i don't usually rank andrew guys but if i know they're coming back this week why why pretend like i don't have that information you know why pretend hideous when we all know 'em yeah that's i mean that's really so they offered the upper ranks that this is easy part folks this is the easy part no syndergaard went down eight but take about airline i dare you i tell you you're gonna do it some you some you probably already have you're pitching isn't that good if it is you better be you better be routing nearly if you have a pitching staff where you can legitimately timidly takeout noah syndergaard is not just some busy thing that you're mad at him for not fulfilling expectations which i am but i still i'm taking about 'em teams awesome and that's great for you but a that's that's not how i'm rolling now i don't have i'll have pitching staff outlive that life of luxury because i took noah syndergaard so i didn't think any in stock up on a bunch of late pitching so yeah the most starts expand thirty eight deep right now in some of those like oh let me see real quick and joel in june how many must starts i have 'cause i think i expanded overall pool there if you count ones and the most starts so last week last month at cut off at thirty five so we added three and yet i'm complaining about that and you're like well come on you at how this was only because of the sharp drop off that that starts to hit i was like you can't sit max freed you can't sit lance lynn domingo her mind masahiro tanaka caleb smith 'cause you know what i mean by better because hold on you're but's it's about the get way worse from forty on and it does jack flared he's been a biz mall griffin can it's been good so he's on the way object fires on the way down there kind of meeting in the middle and it doesn't mean that there's no good guys in the in the usually start but it starts tickets so dicey the hose you can poke and people you know in the pitchers in the forties it seems more severe let me go back to me now it's gonna be hard to get to the main mindset i don't remember the entire leaderboard well let's go back to months three one forty is was mike sir okay now a lot of these guys saying by the way i'm noticing that are another what maybe just a couple the very next to forty one forty two are sonny gray and robbie ray and i have them in a very similar range now that's was like wait is this gonna be the same pool but anyway so roca gray gray hamels mchugh before he was like he was on the cusp minor on a come up richhill coming back from injury marco gonzales 'em hadn't hadn't imploded with a few really awful starts ten tomatoes and they usually start a good jared jared i cough was rolling strom was getting his legs back on durham lucchessi now it's like flaherty pitching like trash canning who has been really good but is definitely a little bit worrisome just on on the on me unknown level right is it gonna add burt alison lamey don't alison amy okay don't alza lamey ever please i do not want to be out sullied let me keep average 'em so yeah and then they've got you know robbie ray jordan allows john means means all star john means all star john means i did i did a courtesy of moving away from the like but i definitely yelled charlotte's like shut the hell up about john means he's been list for a home in it or you don't know shit about john means charlotte's my dog by the way and yes the answer the question that you definitely just had is yes i do have conversations like that with my dog all the time when even when i'm not on the podcast especially when i'm not on the podcast so if you were wondering just do that it's like a bit from the show no that's just life and i always give her the most obscure knowledge set in maker remarkably snarky i know that's what happens when you work from home and i don't i don't feel bad about it i'm not embarrassed about it a i like working from home it's not for everybody but do you then give your dog a back story where she's overly familiar with john means rise to the majors yes that is what you do or else don't fucking work from home you're wasting your time otherwise we work from home and be normal if i want it to be normal i would have stayed in crazy anyway john means did make the all star game and i wonder so i initially wondered if it was like a position all thing because you feel like trae manzini or i won't i won't protect that and you know maybe you guys knew which means maybe you guys were like charlotte you guys knew all the way but i saw that trae manzini was their auto walk but then i looked in john means does have a two fifty e r eight with a one ten whip which you know you could say it's not gonna stick you could also say they all star game isn't just about the first half but you'd be doing the same thing with trae manzini this isn't cal ripken junior you know in a mediocre year that you're bypassing but saying well you know he's not that far from its peak he should still like mukhi bets this year like he doesn't have the numbers of the top top guys but he's still mukhi bets some means versus manzini is fine and means means going there's nothing wrong with that had the go double drink their sorry but i got john means at forty four when the projections have all where the five e r eight which okay sure he's not to fifty but as he more than double that with his lowest projection being five thirteen these all these projections all have them giving up every home run ever in the second half one of every every other pitch thrown will leave the yard for john means if these projections are to be believed he's gonna go from a point nine five homers per nine did john means having one point five one point nine one point seven or one point eight and it's probably due to the fact that he had a two point seven last year homer per nine four john means in three in the third but he was over one one time in the minors so i have no idea where the hell that's coming from outside of maybe just starting every guy at a certain baseline and then if you add a bit team all of a sudden these that high i guess that makes sense the ball is just absurd and it's gonna be it's gonna be summer i mean already a center but summer in camden i think john means business so sick life all right so then continue on and i've got kyle gibson at forty seventh why do i play fantasy spies and dude is in here by the way he was here earlier mowing trimming up that just doing a great job by the way if he could hit the corners the way he changed the hedges tell you what will be in business but no i mean it's forty seven that gallon is forty eight yard neutrinos forty ninth does the top fifty just feels lindsey i still got spencer turnbull just just outside and i don't know how i feel about that i feel right about it i watch him pitch and i'm like okay it's not bad not great and then he got hurt but we don't know as plus be fine way or did he going yeah yeah oh he did i'm stupid you shouldn't be on this list i'm dumb dumb someone commented about about a me having him hang on well he's on me i l you shouldn't even be on the list they go guys know now that i don't do everytime i do not speak speak out every comment that i say that i type the way i have conversations with charlotte because those are cool the common thing would be stupid so i definitely don't do that don't even think that i do you not you should stop stop thinking about right now i should stop talking about 'em let's see some other big movers jose can tana has fallen apart cool what happened with that i was watching a few of his starts recently or not recently i guess awhile ago back in may and he looked really good he was great throw a lot of april pretty strong in may and then has fallen apart in a in june or fell apart engines done but but ended with a bang six scoreless at cincy that sense of team playing well so you know again look and i don't love one jose contenders doing but then i i realize if i had in mind a squad am i really taking him out no i don't think i am very off the season they usually start same with teammate you darvish saint louis teammate john lester already put brenda mckay there maybe he needs to go higher a someone asked like why is still a miles mike lists there and then i thought about it and i'm like that's a pretty good question that's a pretty good question he's too high he's definitely to i mean i mean it's been all right of late i i still think you have to play in white austin though even adding in in the garbage trip to texas one and a third innings seven runs from michael us back in midmay if he's looking at two months scope eleven starts but you still keep that that garbage bag in there he's got a three eighty two we are ray and fifty strikeouts against nine loss now fifty strikeouts a sixty one innings isn't doing anything for anybody really it's not it's not hot seven point three per nine scott a twenty percent rate but you can get some you thought you know the ratios there let's see that seventy two oh my god i don't even i don't even wanna say the math and i did that and how wrong it was when eyeball like a dumb idiot but anyway he has a one twentyfive whip three eighty two area for miles michael over his last eleven starts so he's still in they usually start i guess he could go you know i i put him at the very back into they usually start rush drippings right by those two and it was down thirteen spots and initially said yeah i should lower that when i read the comment and when i just brought it up right now but now i'm thinking no i think i got it right he's definitely in the right spot which is between they usually start in the spot start if you want a spot start miles michael is i committed vision plenty of scenarios where that's the right move you know if you need strikeouts and you don't wanna just starting in like a one start week 'cause you really believe that you're reliever and out strikeout him you're probably right so i don't hate that idea the top of the spot start tier so now where sixty one deep it was sixty nice low around sixty and then i forgot club dog like a gargantuan idiot of course if i went in in removed turnbull that would be solved and i'll be back to sixty but then i'd have to remake the table because as i deleted so we we make are tables in on a page put in all the stuff make all neil html it's not complicated i am trying to make a sound difficult or like extra so i can be lazy and just not redo it i should just redo the damn chart without turnbull but to tune in to see if i do that tune in after i posted this shortly after maybe when you're listening to it if i didn't you know i'm lazy ass if i did be proud of me or don't 'cause they're really should just do it can get rid hours away to 'cause got sent down els late everyone's lineup and says i'm getting out of town on that he said my gotta go by so top of spot start annabel sanchez seems to have gotten back on track in a nice way or on track really this whole year was pretty bad start but since then 'em punch looking at this game while yeah yeah pretty bad pretty bad season going until about the time then he came back from it i else then and since then six starts for animals sanchez to twenty nine airy thirty two strikeouts in thirty five and a third innings just five walks sub one where he's been great maybe could have gone higher but you've also missed that part and do i expect in this day at exactly that level no i don't got john gray up they're terrified of anyone in cores but pitching so sick got marcus stroman up there because why not were just throwing names around at this point i know it's like i sound like i'm being sarcastic on that 'cause i am but am my but am i 'cause i don't know man it's it's so frustrating tab like ale lack of conviction and a lot of these right now because these pictures are still solomon's because of the home runs it's because of the freaking home runs dude is deaf and like that is the main issue with so many guys so many it's so dumb lets users okay let's let's look at players with fifty innings starters you got fifty innings and and let's see home run race here all right so fifty innings gives me a hundred and forty three pitchers and i'm looking looking looking i'm gonna go like one point three that's a pretty high home run rate i won't even i won't even a round i'll just do you have to have a one point three one two eight nine one that's unders they gotta be one point three or higher that sixty eight it's not nice is almost i try to be nice but it's not so sixty eight pitchers at one point three or higher now thanks to our new leaderboard where you can actually do the dates i'm gonna go to this time last year a what's what did i do wrong guys don't mind me i'm just set this up on the fly submit custom date please thank you fifty innings please take longer yes i'm not recording just do you know take longer that's fine and they go okay got it so i got a hundred and thirty eight pitchers last year so five fewer and let's see how many of them have won three stanley those jokers a fifty in this year at sixty eight eighteen more they're all my team no they're not on an antonio sends attila i'm mike fires and sanchez aaron sanchez just walked me he just walked me i have to take a base i'm not even playing he's still walked me i don't even know i'm on i'm on first right now guys i'm recording from first base thanks dan sanchez thank you a wild pitch matt second sick 'em and i probably have aaron sanchez rank like thirty seconds because pitching is sony sony so cool jordan yamamoto cracks solicit sixty five martine pereira's sixty six trevor richards stephen matt's has the start against philli i think tonight so yeah it'd be it'd be down lower i dunno it's a it's a messed up weird landscape right now it again so in it's because of homers and yes it is something we've been saying all year but i think it is amped up a level and of course that would fit what i just said earlier about john means as like a general it's summer heating up ball find even more watch out watch out 'cause i've i've said this for years even when were not in a home run air the quickest way the tank and he array is is with homers in they might not even be bad pitches that's the frustrating part it's not always i lack of scale so let's see how many guys have sub one homer per nine compares that the last year at this time so again no rounding so one point oh to you're above fixture game jordan lyles i'll let joy lucchessi stay there he'll be one point he's the he's the marker when he's at one point zero zero 'perfect there's thirty seven guys with a one point zero or lower last year this time there were forty six in austin pruitt who's next year reliever okay did fifty innings yeah i guess you got fifty innings that doesn't matter doesn't really change things that much because relievers are so used plus there's like if i only do if i click the starter tab then i risk losing like way love belongs middle innings and i know you know we can't risk way why did i have to use him as an example i could've century nece or yarbrough i'm like yo we can't we can't risk losing waylon belongs a numbers we just can't do it but anyway homers stupid best part my homers are more prevalent on my pitching then my hitting fun enjoyable i'm good at this game i swear 'em so i don't even know you know i don't even know what what what's the best part to talk about right now is it kind of be twenty through fifty range because it is weird or do we need to go deeper and starting mining more and more i did it i did as a solo there other day about second half gems on the trash heap like guys that i'm not ranking very high the highest one of that group was must grove who is at fifty seven and that's down eight am probably could have gone down further you know if someone wants to make a case i'm i can't understand it but i'm sticking with sam i do still like him and 'em you guys already know that no nobody's nobody's surprised to hear that that i'm sticking with them so and i even put you know put ross stripling in at a at the top sixty and he went three innings last time out but i think he's might be stretched out now and then you can go out you can you can go many more innings and i you know i i i dunno so this is a little bit of a man during one right now because i just i just don't know the right direction the go i you know i could do all the movers here i'll i'll cover the biggest difference is the biggest drops you say gucci down thirty five to one twelve he's it's been brutal matt strom down twenty seven seventy home runs two home runs in each of his last like eight outings like exactly two home runs andy green leaves him out there until he gives the second home run is like not giving up one i'm gonna send you back out for the six game you give up you're second homer case get gotcha i'll do it in that time he's only really been shellacked twice well i dunno as three times it's not as bad it's bad and i like matt strong scrap heap guy could turn around but not if he doesn't give the ball yard minus twenty six forever and sanchez down to one oh five nick riveta minus twenty five to eighty three chris bassett and trent thornton down to ninety four ninety six that's minus twenty four each of them k hill down nineteen to one sixteen stephen mats down seventeen the sixty eight flaherty took down the forty from twenty four now some of the biggest risers we go all the way over here john means john means business boy up sixty two for him twenty nine from lance lynn talked about him another all star sandy outcomes are up twenty eight the seventy nine still do not under any circumstance understand how he made the roster overcame smith but a go off people who decided that i understand carelessness on me i al does not matter you name him then you you you could even lead alkan tire replacement if you want to still make that decision for some reason i moved dakota hudson up twenty four eighty nine i still don't trust it as far as i could throw it but somebody who could actually stifle homers to moderate degree not even a great like one point two that's not that great don't the dakota i'm not i'm not hyper news that much especially with a sixty two percent grumble right but that's because ground ball rate alone does not guarantee it will home run right 'cause it depends what you do around those ground balls when you want inducing the contact as you as you want so i dunno i just i just don't know right now who else went up annabel sanchez twentyfour jordan lyles twentyfour marcus stroman nineteen zach please sack in john gray in brandon woodruff all eighteen up tanner roark seventeen i already got a common asking if he needs to be higher i could see that i think i see that he's i think he's right on the cusp though i think he's between s s s i could just say spot start as as as like saying all dss come on that's what you get out of here but he's i think he's right after a break off their we were you know it's pretty deep into the spot start tier seventy eight he could at least be up near the top of that i think he's pretty good twenty four percent strikeout rate three thirty six gra the whip is bad at one thirty one but he's keeping the ball in the yard right now and will take we will take it kenny keep the ball and they are continually though he keeps getting pop ups that'll help so yeah let me see any other big movers 'em mike minor plus fifteen jose burritos plus thirteen but we already kinda knew that they you know you're using them regularly keeping them in you're line up it's not that crazy and then a bunch of plus tens i've heard some concerns over lucas g lido starting the crop up i mean we knew it was gonna regress it's always weird figure out you know like how how's the regression gonna go are they gonna um you know is it gonna be something where he just pitches like this for the rest of the year you know if he's has like a two eighty areas gonna pitch like a a three eighty the rest of the way and be like consistent or is he gonna have a few shellacking but then being great otherwise like 'cause the worry about him is based off of what to start i don't know that i fully understand it with lucas g lido 'cause he gave up three homers the cubs and he wasn't like great again in boston okay cool i'll i'll i'll buyer g lido shares are buying game to to me and across the league then only buy them from you even though you're not in my league but then i will have him in my league and just burn the person who currently housing so anyway i dunno i'm gonna wrap this up because i don't wanna just meander for a whole bunch longer but 'em if you want me to do something you know if you want me discuss asserting tier or some some steam that you want discuss these sp rankings on a solo let me know i'll see what i can do i am going to cleveland this weekend through wins day i'll be back when they sit through thursday so i mean could still do stuff all week of course i'm leaving on saturday just letting you know that 'em like they won't be stuff early next week i dunno i brought that up i think i just squeezed and just so you know go nail starring okay just you know that yeah it doesn't it doesn't impact my workweek addle ashley the holiday does more so because were supposedly dark thursday and friday so yeah you basically need to i could i could see myself maybe fire ended up friday though so gimme a cool enough topic something otherwise will really get into then i dunno either be article or i'll let justin roast them pattern no good luck out there let's hunker down and let's get through this let's let's try to get some young arms to emerge for the summer let's try and get some big turnaround from names that we already know and let's turn the tide on this but until then just hunker down and protect those e r as well china stay competitive with you're a when you're when you're strikeouts in in wins and saves and holds and quality starts and whatever else you do counting wise because it's dangerous out there and if you get als delayed what i think she cried she knew i was gonna say als delayed again and she's like don't do it and then i did it what do you crying about so she has a shark bad where the bed or the the shark mouth like she goes into it like a little include type cove thing she's half in half out of it and it's really hilarious she looks like an idiot you know why because she's in eighty i'm taking a picture right now i sure did back in a man is not even five yet but she knows that something happens at five and she's like hey just so you know about the be five but yeah so enjoy the enjoy the rankings definitely comment on them i'll be up in those comments you will be talking through i'm sure you've got some major questions on some guys and i'll answer a much of it is i can't i always i always try to stay in those comments with everything especially when i do these rankings but even with all my articles so let's just talk about it in there i think that's the best place to really knew it at this point because i don't know exactly where you're geyser at where we are gonna be out with these rankings and i don't even know where the hell i matt and and i just spent a bunch of hours on them the last two days so i'll end by sending you know positive thought you know the thoughts and prayers thing it's it's done the death and i you know i'm i'm keeping the family and friends of tyler skaggs in my mind you know i think that's the thoughts and prayers thing that that's what people are getting their i understand the standard strike in in a lot of context perhaps even though when i used it but it's so jarring when this when when this when tragedy strikes are are baseball community like this in many ways that it can this one being remarkably untimely death that phrase i think about it sometimes when i say in in in not to be like trying to be funny about it or whatever but like what the fuck fuck is a timely death 'em but i understand the context of it right he's twenty seven years old he had just gotten married everything seemed to be going his way we still don't know the cause of death on tyler skaggs none of are damn business obviously but hopefully it isn't something where he was struggling with something and that's this was the end result it's hard to wrap your head around the idea of natural causes for somebody who's twenty seven but i believe that was the diagnosis on daryl kyle some you know it's it's hard just like gave out and so there wasn't foul play there wasn't this saturday other it was like well it was natural in that it didn't a it was natural in that you know there was nothing else like influencing it i guess i dunno but i just you know if you are struggling with stuff like that just know that there's so is you know there's always something there's always a way out of it doesn't have to be final and again i don't know if that's a power skaggs was dealing with i just know that there's been a lot of talk look around that and in a lot of speculation you gotta be careful when you're online when this stuff starts have you know when we have tragedy like this while you're just saying shit and so like i said to his to his family and friends and i actually have you know not like a super close friend but a friend that i that i care about who who did have tyler skaggs in their orbit play play ball with them growing up in california and so you know to see his sadness it really sucks man really sucks so it just you know they they obviously did the right thing yesterday did not play and you know dangerous family the baseball family comes together when you see stuff like that but you know the angels will be really keeping them keeping him in in his family that he left behind in in stock in their thoughts i know tower a patrick corbin's going to whereas number tonight in honor of them so i don't have a good way the end after talking about something so sad and so terrible i just a really fucking sucks so i start end on a down note but it wasn't just going to pretend that that didn't happen in not talk about it and i don't really have discombobulated thoughts about that was kinda discombobulated then by yesterday so i guess i've given that to you guys now but i appreciate you all always listening and a back again this week for at least one other show whether it's 'em tomorrow or friday guaranteed one other show ideally with justin as long as he's healthy and then we have all star week in so you know we get the break it may maybe we'll maybe we'll anyway things a

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