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Arkansas governor signs near-total abortion ban into law
"Arkansas governor. Asa hutchinson on tuesday signed into law legislation banning all abortions in the state a sweeping measure that supporters hope will force the us supreme court to revisit its landmark roe v wade decision but opponents vowed to block before it takes effect later this year. The republican governor had expressed reservations about the bill which only allows the procedure to save the life of the mother and does not provide exceptions for those impregnated in an active rape or incest. Arkansas is one of at least fourteen states. Swear legislators have proposed outright abortion bans this year hutchison said he was signing the bill because of its overwhelming legislative support and my sincere and long-held pro-life convictions. The bands were pushed by republicans. Who want to force the. Us supreme court to revisit. Its nine thousand. Nine hundred seventy three roe. V wade decision legalizing abortion nationwide conservatives believed the court is more open to striking down the decision following former president. Donald trump's three appointments to the court must abolish abortion in this nation just as we abolished slavery in the nineteenth century. All lives matter republican senator jason reports. The bill's sponsor said in a statement. The legislation won't take effect until ninety days off to the majority republican legislature adjourns. This year's session abortion rights supporters. Say they plan to challenge the banning court before then. The american civil liberties union of arkansas called the ban cruel and unconstitutional.
Arkansas governor signs sweeping abortion ban into law
"Futterman. CBS NEWS Arkansas governor race to Hutchinson has signed a law banning virtually all abortions in the state. Lawsuits are expected from opponents loyal of law professor Laurie Levinson says supporters hope to force the issue to the U. S. Supreme Court, unquestionably the Newark and so law that seeks to restrict abortions. Is part of the attack on Roe v. Wade. It's a very sweeping measure that would not allow abortions even when there are X
Arkansas governor signs near-total abortion ban into law
"Arkansas's governors signed sweeping abortion restrictions into law coming just short of an outright ban under the bill signed by governor Aissa Hutchinson nearly all abortions would be banned in Arkansas the exception being if needed to save the mother's life the governor expressed reservations about not allowing exceptions in cases of rape or incest but since he signed the bill because of its overwhelming legislative support and his long held pro life convictions supporters are hoping the measure will force the issue before the US Supreme Court with the review of the roe versus Wade decision with a belief three new conservative justices would be more open to striking down the landmark decision but opponents are vowing to block the restrictions before they take effect later this year the ACLU of Arkansas is vowing to see the governor in court I'm Jackie Quinn
How Facebook is Planning for a Post-Lockdown UK
"Steve. Let's start with the big news this week. Which is of course. The boris johnson has announced the uk's roadmap out of lockdown is the role for companies like your social media platforms like facebook to play in bringing the uk outside again getting us away from screens and getting back to something like no malady. Yala david and i think that it's been ready clay roe that we can play and i think that like all organizations immediate moment when we saw the pandemic arrive any company is going to be going. Okay what can we do in. How can we help people. How can we ensure our employees siphon well enabled upright. And how can we contribute. So what is clearly a global knowledge In the uk so that was almost the mindset. We set out with a nano ten months ago. We won't be able to back in any time. Decided we do everything we could do. But certainly the kind of is important areas for a facebook have been. How do we make sure people see credible inaccurate information of course the other big paul is helping businesses in a business as large and small but particularly small businesses and founder over two million small businesses are us all platforms in the uk alone to be able to sell within the uk and actually beyond the yucai expos have. How can we help them. Develop the skills the knowledge and the capabilities to enable them to To in some cases survive and get through this and another case is really thrive and make that pivot towards online commerce.
South Carolina House passes ban on abortions once fetal cardiac activity is detected
"Lawmakers. The governor of South Carolina has signed into law a bill banning most abortions in that state. NPR's Sarah McCammon reports. It's similar earlier, abortion bans passed in several other states, which have been blocked in federal courts. South Carolina lawmakers have passed what supporters call a fetal heartbeat bill. It bans most abortions as soon as cardiac activity can be detected in a fetus or embryo. That's usually several weeks into a pregnancy often before a woman No, she's pregnant. Several other states, mostly in the Midwest and South have passed similar laws in recent years, including Georgia, Alabama and Ohio. Those laws have been blocked following legal challenges from reproductive rights groups. But abortion rights opponents have said they hope one of those laws will prompt the U. S. Supreme Court to reconsider the Roe v. Wade decision. Which legalized
South Carolina House passes ban on abortions once fetal cardiac activity is detected
"Governor of South Carolina has signed into law a bill banning most abortions in the state. NPR's Sarah McCammon reports. It's similar to early abortion bans passed in several other states, which have been blocked in federal courts. South Carolina lawmakers have passed what supporters call a fetal heartbeat bill. It bans most abortions as soon as cardiac activity can be detected in a fetus or embryo. That's usually several weeks into a pregnancy often before a woman no, she's pregnant. Several other states, mostly in the Midwest and South, have passed similar laws in recent years. Including Georgia, Alabama and Ohio. Those laws have been blocked following legal challenges from reproductive rights groups. But abortion rights opponents have said they hope one of those laws will prompt the U. S. Supreme Court to reconsider the Roe v. Wade decision, which legalized abortion nationwide. Sarah
"h roe" Discussed on Today in True Crime
"To the story. The seven to two supreme court ruling on roe. V wade may have been revolutionary. But it wasn't the first time. Abortion had come under review indeed. The ancient greek philosopher. Aristotle believed that terminating pregnancy was ethical if performed within the first ninety days and one could argue that he was late to the game. The first recorded abortion took place some twelve hundred years before aristotle weighed in on reproductive rights around fifteen fifty bc women commonly relied on herbal supplements to end just station surgical procedures. Were also done. But they were far more dangerous. A shovel like tool known as an embryo. Thome and a scissor. Like tool named the cranial class were used to aid with extraction. Sterilization of medical tools was not widely practiced and heavy bleeding and infection. Were common as time went. On midwives and homeopathic doctors became better at providing simple remedies to reduce fertility and induce a menstrual cycle thereby eliminating pregnancies commonly accepted herbal abortifacents. Include tanzi safflower. Scotch broom mug work wormwood and essential oil. A penny royal. These methods aren't as widespread today as the nineteenth and twentieth centuries gave rise to a medical system that largely rejected nature opportunity and because the advent of modern medicine was male dominated patriarchal ideas about a woman's right to choose slowly began creeping into the medical field. The catholic church also held influence during the nineteenth and twentieth centuries further solidifying anti-abortion rhetoric but despite the virtue signaling by top doctors and religious groups women continued seeking abortions. They found secret clinics willing to operate but the clandestine meant that women had little to no grounds for recourse if they were hurt during the procedure then in one thousand nine hundred sixty the food and drug administration approved the pill as a means of regulating menstruation and preventing unwanted pregnancy. But as we mentioned it was quickly stigmatized reserved for a certain kind of woman given the prudish view of reproductive health. It's amazing that roe v wade was decided a mere thirteen years later since the decision. Abortion rates have steadily declined as birth control and education on reproductive health have become more widely accessible. Abortion.
Who is underpricing Roblox?
"Which filed to go public last year was going to debut as any said before the year some. Ipo's went out that were rather exuberantly received. And is that it. Whoa whoa whoa hold on. Because robots was going to let a lot of shareholders sell their shares at the ipo price in the offering and they didn't those shares me miss price fair enough so what they've done is they have raised a five hundred twenty million dollars series. H at eight twenty nine point five billion dollars valuation effectively replacing what they would have done in the ipo raise. And then they're going to direct list. So everyone will be unburdened in able to sell their shares. That they'd like to their experience the traditional ipo process and into the blocks brand a sufficiently large drive interest in the company. Now guys we've all heard ad nauseam complaints from adventure. Classes danny's old stomping grounds. That banks mismanaging. Ipo's underpricing them and rewarding their clients essentially with free money. Here's my question now. Roadblocks us at a price for itself thousand nine point five billion. What do we say out. And it's worth thirty five billion the first day won't they also have yet again mistrial. Peo- does this situation. This new solution actually fix anything. I think one of the big challenges. They faced the raises past brown from driessen. In february twenty twenty it was valued at four billion and they raise one hundred fifty million bucks with tiny percentage. and what. you're seeing the exact same thing this time with the series h five hundred twenty million at twenty nine point five billion valuation one point seven percent solution. So it's very tiny. But i think what they wanted to do was sent a very strong signal to the market of. Here's where we see the price. Today there are investors who are investing at this price. Last price was four billion. This is thirty. And i think they wanted to market support for the argument that they should be valued at this price. I don't think they looked at a lot of the other things on the market. And like wow. It's really hot. That was the story line. And i just. I'm very skeptical. But i think this is a proof point of saying look. There is actually market depth at these prices. And it sets the tone of the ipo more strongly than if they had just gone out. Kind of blindly. When we're i want to get into take on this but like we hear a lot of complaints from these about bankers mispricing. Startups andriessen bought a bunch of shares from roadblocks earlier in twenty twenty out of four billion dollar valuation. Now it's worth thirty. That's seven and a half times as much. Who's underpricing roadblocks. Here is that the bankers. Or is it andriessen horowitz. I have a suspicion. That it's the bbc's. I think it's amazing that we never talked about that. We always say. Oh the cow. Well the vc's did not dramatically underpriced screwing the employees who are doing the work out of equity and a fair representation for the show when you see these numbers. I know you're more early stage person. But how does this make you feel one. That's awesome framing alex. So i love that. I thought about snowflake when i saw robots giving that twenty nine point billion number when snowflake was planning to go public at its last raise it was valued at twelve point. Five billion obviously one of the most successful. Ipo of twenty twenty its market cap on. A went out was thirty three point. Seven billion a huge difference. And i think maybe roe is feeling in some ways. Like snowflake miss price. Let's just feel that confident about ourselves. I don't know if that's a fair enough. Compared because i'm sure they're very different businesses but if robots is misplaced and a lot bigger it will also be one of the most successful. Ipo of all time. The new price for robotics is crazy over you. I think one of the big questions we have to ask what's flow the ipo. Look at this. And i got his ms price. Well at a certain point of you're only doing one point six percent solution like of course you want to get you want to nail it perfectly. But the reality is if you're only bloating one point six percent who cares the question at the. Are you floating fiber shares ten percent of the shares thirty percent of the shares. Because that to me is a huge difference compared to some of these earlier rounds where the delusion is much smaller. Yeah for sure. And one thing we've seen just circle back to the point of ipo's being cuoco. Mis-priced is a lot of companies have had a very thin flow and start to trade and so you've seen asymmetric demand from retail investors compared to very very limited shares available which of course ratchets up the initial trading price feeding fodder into the argument. That bankers are better pricing. And this is not to defend bankers. The point is this. it's not like everything is as cut and dry as fits into a tweet. That's what i'll say just to be clear. Andriessen is making the most noise about myspace. Ipo's it's actually benchmark. Don't want to conflate everybody in my head is just vc's but it's worth noting that girly for border a bit worker less active invest. Whatever he is america's area go.
Trump says he'll 'fight like hell' to hold on to presidency
"President trump continues to push Republican lawmakers to roe versus lost to Joe Biden during tomorrow's joint session of Congress at a rally in Georgia last night trump wound up his supporters then I take it this White House we're going to fight like hell he was there to campaign for the Senate race but spent a lot of time repeating false claims election a claim rejected by election officials and the courts Biden won the electoral college three oh six to two thirty two and Republicans likely don't have the numbers to contest it a dozen in the Senate and more than a hundred in the house say they plan to oppose I'm Julie Walker
A Conversation With Jenna Belk a\Andnd Anthony Magnabosco
"Welcome anthony. How are you. i'm good jenner. Thanks for having me back. I think this is our second time together on. Xp offer not our first time working together. But i think our second time on. Xp diener we both have a very similar interest in our approach to how to talk about these things. And so i really like your se. And i like to promote it. Every chance i get so please feel free to talk all about it. What he wanted to tell us. Okay well. I guess for the last several years. I've been doing something called street. Epistemology which is a way of engaging with somebody where you're not arguing and debating with them or ridiculing them it's a way of encouraging encouraging them to explain how they concluded that their view is factually true in a way that kind of opens them up and reduces defenses and is coming from a place of honesty and really trying to figure out. What's really going on here. Is this really true and has been picking up. It's kind of been getting getting some momentum. There's been a lot of communities that had been forming online and Even local groups to practice this method around the world. This isn't just a us thing either. This is what's been really exciting to see that there are groups forming around the world or people with varying degrees of interest in learning this method. And not only exploring claims about god's but all different types of claims. One of the most exciting things i heard recently was that There was a theorist that encountered somebody using street pyschology with them and later on the thank them for the conversation. I think and said that. Now using this tool to engage with other people on different claims that they make. That is very exciting to me. When i hear that. And i'm a huge proponent of this method. I certainly didn't create it but i've tried to be a developer practitioner promoter of it for the last several years and i think we've come a tremendous way since it was was first developed several years ago and i'm excited to see where it goes next. Maybe somebody who's watching today will be the next person that brings se further along. And i'm excited to see roe and get better than words that even today. I know that it helps me move very very quickly. Through my angry atheist phase. I actually reached out to you. I was like i think i can do this. This is going to be really helpful to me. i think i know what you're doing. And there's kind of a strategy to it. You know the way that you kind of ask questions and at first i resisted the way that you would approach it sometimes telling people in advance that the way that your questions may alter their mindset a little bit and i kind of resented that i because well that kind of gives me the impression that it's manipulative but acknowledging that makes it i think less manipulative it. I think so. That was a big criticism. So we're developing this thing that seems to be improving conversation on difficult topics where people tend to have better clarity on their views and the quality of their reasons but yeah sometimes we ab- we get feedback from people who say like you should tell them where you stand on that claim or you should at least prepare them for what they're in for which i find a little humorous because we don't do that with every Any engagement with a person. We don't normally do that. But people are thinking that we should be doing that with this approach. Which makes me think that there is something unique and special about it and we probably do have an obligation to give people a heads up. It's not like they're like if i'm engaging with somebody on the street i'm usually flagging down a stranger who has no idea about what they're in for so yeah. I think i do agree that we probably have an obligation to be as transparent as possible and maybe even warn people like i want ask you some serious some challenging questions here it might cause you to think about your view you might even change your mind you can. You can lay it all out there. And i guess the more that you. There's a risk there of course because the more that you lay out the more you can alarm. The person and men raise the fences. But i think that's that's a fair tradeoff. I'd rather have a slightly defensive conversation partner and also being more informed about what they're getting into. That's something that we didn't do five years ago though that this is something that we've been developing because feedback from people who are watching these engagements right. And that's that's the thing that we necessarily need to do as much today because honor show calling us. But just i just wanted to mention that because i do think that that's an important point. It's kind of implied. However there have been times where i've been on this show or like truth. Wanted where i think some callers have been put up to calling in that and i've seen it actually what i'm not on. Does this happens Sometimes i think some callers don't know what they're getting into jail and encounter if we encounter some callers like that i'd like to just give them a heads up. I'm totally okay with that. But i think for the most part. We'll probably get callers. Who know what's going on
Woman In Critical Condition After Apartment Fire In Englewood, Chicago
"Condition after being rescued from an apartment fire in the Englewood neighborhood, the fire ripped through a second floor corner unit. At about one AM the scene 500 Block of West 72nd Street. The 32 year old woman was taken to the hospital with smoke inhalation. A family of five living beneath where the fire started, has also been displaced. Resident Shad Roe, Brooke says the family was awakened by knocks at their door and an alarm going off at my kids and my grandkids up, so so that's that's about about it. it. It It is is just just a a maid maid is is isn't isn't scary scary fit. fit. Wake Wake up. up. I don't know. If you're gonna live with firefighters, they're still trying to figure out what started that fire. A woman has been stabbed
Legal pot, anti-abortion measures pass on state ballots
"Legalizing marijuana and curtailing abortion were among the scores of hot button ballot measures voters weighed in on this election day a total of one hundred and twenty proposed state laws and constitutional amendments were on the ballot in thirty two states touching on issues ranging from voting rights and racial inequalities to taxes in education nationwide push to legalize marijuana gained momentum with victories in Arizona and New Jersey where voters approved its use by adults age twenty one and older in Louisiana voters affirmed in anti abortion amendment the measure asserts there is no state constitutional right to abortion that could come into play if the US Supreme Court overturns its roe versus Wade decision that legalized abortion nationwide Ben Thomas Washington
The Last Four Years, The Last Five Decades (with Rebecca Traister)
"Idea for a future radio story. Today, is January twentieth. Two Thousand Sixteen. Donald Trump was just inaugurated. That was me four years ago I wanted to capture my fears and concerns about trump's presidency. So I hopped in the recording studio my old job recorded a little audio time capsule. I've kept this file on my computer for four years. Didn't listen to it until recently. So many people in this country are so excited about trump. Is can't believe I could disagree with this many people. Innocent innocent extremely privileged belief. But I guess that's why I wanted to ask you avery of the future. You who have lived through one term of. The trump presidency. So weird just a few questions. So I recorded fifteen minutes of questions about the state of the country for my future self, which is to say me. Currently. To answer did he build a wall around Mexico or did he try Oh man I mean yeah. He's still trying like actively according to customs and Border Protection, there's been three hundred, seventy, one miles of new wall completed but there's still a lot more to go. So we'll see is marijuana legal. Depends on the state you live in, but it's fully legal in eleven of them. So yeah. Yes or no Legal. Well, no. It could be. There were a bunch of other questions that I won't bore you with because I. Realize I can't actually answer most of the questions from my past self. Like they're all kind of complicated and still in process and it turns out a lot of the rights I was worrying about four years ago are still very much under threat now. Including the issue that I was most frightened about. On Donald Trump's inauguration day. The very first question I asked to my future self. Was this one. Are Abortions illegal. Did HE DE-FUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD? Of course I, know abortions are still legal for now the law of the land upholds Roe v Wade. Although I'm not sure I really understood how complicated the answer to this question actually was. And is especially now that trump has appointed three supreme court justices. So I want to start asking you that big question. Are Abortions illegal. Well, yeah. They are legal right now for some people, they have been inaccessible to millions more preceding trump's inauguration. Rebecca Tracer is a writer at large for New York magazine and the cut. So where we are right now is that we're closer to abortions being illegal than we've been in my life time nominated by President Reagan and serving thirty years on the court. He was often the crucial swing vote you know Anthony Kennedy's retirement breath Kavanagh's confirmation, and here today not because I want to be. Terrified riding completely over the testimony of Christine Lousy Ford I. Do not believe that these charges can barely per bed judge cabin from serving on the court Susan Collins vote for breakfast all these things on a court. level. were sort of big publicly covered wakeup calls and there has been women in the streets. Right there have been women and men in the streets there have been people in the streets. Four years into Donald, trump being president the like. The reality of that is hitting a lot of people hard. But one of the ways that we got to this point is that the inaccessibility and the project of making abortion illegal. Didn't hit anybody hard enough. Inaccessibility isn't just recent. It's now it happens now around the country for millions of women for whom enough barriers have been put in place that that role might as well not exist because it actually doesn't serve as a barrier. It doesn't serve as a protection of their right to get the care that they need. So there are states. In the country where the the laws are so prohibitive where there have already been people jailed for abortion.
Why a New Abortion Ban in Poland is Causing a Furor
"Today in Poland where for five straight days. Now, streets across the country have been filled with protesters as we mark the swearing in of new Supreme Court, Justice Amy Coney Barrett, and wonder how the court will now see Roe v Wade Poland is an interesting case protesters. There are angry precisely because of a high court ruling on. Abortion last week, Poland's constitutional tribunal outlawed the practice in all but the most exceptional of circumstances as the world's Europe correspondent Orla Barry reports. The latest legal decision is now being widely condemned by women's rights, groups, Justin of it. The refs as a founding member of the abortion dream, team they're a well-known group of activists who says out in two thousand sixteen to de stigmatize abortion in Poland the dress had an abortion in. Two thousand six and even though she worked with an abortion support group called almost no one about your own experience for more than twelve years up to two thousand, eighteen I was talking about this as anonymous person. I was not showing my face I was afraid about my community for threats says, she worried what our neighbors would thank her. There's nothing unusual about women keeping their abortion secret in Poland more than one thousand. Legal abortions for carried out in the country last year but women's groups reckon that the number of illegal abortions or those performed abroad is closer to two hundred thousand. No one knows the exact figure the court ruling last Thursday. Permits Abortion only in cases of rape incest and the mother's life is at risk activists say that just adds to the stigma and it helps explain why women have been out protesting every day since. In more. So last night protesters poured red paint across the city's main bridge holding up signs that read you have blood on your hands, and this is war in the western city of Poznan demonstrators interrupted Sunday church services. Video posted online. A couple of dozen protesters are seen approaching the altar chanting we've had enough, but the refs ca says young people using such fury at the church is something new for Poland. There are very young women who are protesting chorus creaming on the on the priests in small towns. And like really today jurors, it is something which hasn't been seen on the streets before this is something new. What we see ninety percent of Poles identifies Catholic, and since coming to power in two thousand fifteen, the ruling law and Justice Party has promoted what it calls traditional Catholic values but recent surveys show the majority of Poles did not support more restrictive abortion laws. Activists say the new measures are a threat to women's rights in Poland Hillary Margolis is a senior. Researcher. With human rights, Watch under the Lawn Justice Party, we've seen repeated attempts to completely ban abortion also to obstruct sexuality education schools to really smear and undermine women's rights, groups and activists including those who work on violence against women and Margolis says, it's not just women's rights conservative politicians have in their sides the way they've used the concept of the so called traditional family to undermine women's rights but also lgbt rapes is very worry but in some ways has seen. Some success you they've managed to get people afraid and that is I think part of how they have kept power. But protesters say they will not be deterred several university faculties canceling classes tomorrow and some companies have announced a day off. So workers can protest Anthony in eleven. Scott is a sexual and reproductive health and rights activists based on more. So she says is not just young women who are taking to the streets taxi drivers joined yesterday form as join and. Some smaller towns and of the groups that has already joined the protest were actually the police officers that goes ing one of the provinces they just took their helmets off and they entered the crowd in order to participate. But not all police officers support the demonstrators that have been street clashes in Warsaw and Levin of SCO worries things might get more violent yesterday. The prime minister gave permission for the Military Police to join the police in the streets and they only do. You really believe that there is a huge risk of riots and the public turning islands. The Polish government has been accused of appointing judges loyal to the ruling party activists are hopeful that an international body like the European. Court of Human Rights could challenge the recent decision on abortion on that basis. In the meantime campaigners say they're worried about their future in Poland I asked just thrift Ska from the abortion dream, team if she's concerned about being targeted by authorities of cars every. Day that we are expecting them. So if there will be some kind of idea to close us, we will move abroad and we'll be still working will not stop for the rest says no matter what the government does women will continue to have abortions in Poland, and groups like hers will keep fighting for the right to do. So for the world I'm Morna Barry.
Mississippi asks Supreme Court to review 15-week abortion ban
"The attorney general of Mississippi, asking the nation's highest court to review its 15th week abortion ban. CBS's Katie. Myth tells us if the court accepts the case, it could lead to a reconsideration of Roe versus Wade Recipes. Ban is one of two abortion related cases that are currently awaiting the Supreme Court's decision on whether to hear that The court declines to hear those another 17 are just one step away. Abortion rights groups fear that have successfully confirmed Judge Bear it will be less protective of abortion rights than her predecessor. Liberal icon Ruth Bader Ginsburg voting in the Senate for the confirmation of any Cockney Berry expected to take place on Monday.
Senate Judiciary Committee sends Amy Coney Barrett's Supreme Court nomination to full Senate as Democrats boycott vote
"And I'm Noelle King. Good morning, the Senate Judiciary Committee has advanced the Supreme Court nomination of Judge Amy Cockney Barrett. Mr Chairman, the votes for 12 years and 10 not present motion is passed. Thank you. All 12 Republican senators voted for her nomination. The committee's 10 Democrats did not show up. They were boycotting the proceedings. NPR congressional reporter Claudia Gonzales has been following this story and the proceedings. Good morning, Claudia. Good morning. No. Well so fairly short today. This morning. What happened? Yes, it all went by very quickly, all said, and done and under 12 minutes. This is a very traumatic Shift from what we saw last week with hours and hours of testimony at least 20 hours of questioning Barrett by the members on the panel, both Republicans and Democrats, But today Democrats boycotted they did not show up. Republican senators on the Judiciary Committee sidestepped that no show to move barrettes nomination forward to the full Senate. Democrats said they were boycotting because they wanted to highlight the damage that bear it would do to healthcare, reproductive and voting rights and the fact that the vote took place amid a presidential election. And this is one battle. Democrats say perhaps the lose, but they're looking to win a bigger war. Graham alluded to that when he talked about the next vote on the Senate floor. Let's take a listen They started this On May For up to May that be a 60 vote requirement in the Senate today, and he's referring to the Senate filibuster there. This is a requirement of 60 votes that was once needed to approve a nomination like barrettes. But the filibuster was eliminated in 2013 as Democrats struggled to move their judges forward when they control the chamber with the tight margin, So that's what Graham is referencing, and he added later that perhaps this will be addressed again in the future. However, now that the Senate is controlled by Republicans with tight margins, they're able to push through barrettes nomination with just 51 votes. It's a preview of the battles to calm that this will go on after barrettes nomination this conversation even as far as she goes to the floor to be considered by the full Senate, and we see if Democrats ultimately changed the dynamics of power in the Senate or the presidency through the upcoming election day. How did Democrat to respond today? They didn't just say nothing right? Yes, there had been rumors for days that Democrats could boycott these hearings. They were facing a lot of pressure from outside groups to even skip out on the hearings last week questioning their it. But they decided not to do that last week. Instead, they did it to Dae. So later yesterday, they confirmed that they would all not show today they're empty seats were filled instead with images of Americans who have used the affordable care act. This is a case that could become it could be considered before the court next month. And so this is one critical issue They've been highlighting all along. They also held a news conference after the vote. This was led by Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer on the steps of the Capitol is take a listen. The nomination of Amy Cockney Barrel. Is the most illegitimate process I have ever witnessed in the Senate, and her potential confirmation will have dire, dire consequences. For the Senate. With his Supreme Court and our entire country for generations to come. So this was the theme they've been driving through this entire process. Barrett will shift the court to a 63 conservative majority, and they say she's a foe to the affordable care act. The landmark abortion rights case, Roe v. Wade, and she could play a role. If there's a dispute in the election. This is activated activated opposition as well. There were protesters outside the capital. Speaking against this nomination, this resulted in about a half a dozen arrests so far today I spoke to Judiciary Committee Democrat Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut yesterday, said the watchword for them is no more business. As usual. He and the other members have been driving home this point that this is a sham process. It's not normal. It's not writing Americans should see it for what it is and probably see more of this in the coming days, because there is so much acrimony over this nomination. Yes, exactly So many reasons. We're in the midst of a pandemic. We're rushing this through in 30 days, one of the fastest, we've seen the fight over health care. And, of course, you know the division between Republicans and Democrats. Really. Exemplified by President Trump pushing this forward and so there's a long history as well of these fights over the Supreme Court in the controversy surrounding these nominations if we go back to 2016, Democrats try to move forward. President Obama's nominee at the time. This is Judge Merrick. Garland and Republicans refused because they said they were so close to an election months away. But here we are now people are early voting and they're pushing this through. So this is set into motion a series of debates to calm and we're even hearing about it from the Democratic nominee Joe Biden this morning. We understand he told 60 minutes that he's going to create A study a commission to bipartisan commission to study whether they should add more seats to the courts a lot more to come here, including next week, right what happens then? So tomorrow, the nomination for Barrett actually will reach the full Senate floor. It's going to be followed by some procedural votes on Friday, as well as on Sunday. In between, we're going to see a lot of debate an argument back and forth. But the rial final moment for this will come Monday when the full Senate will submit their votes for bear to confirm or vote against her nomination to the Supreme Court. NPR congressional reporter Claudio Gonzalez. Thanks, Claudia. Thanks for having me
What we've learned about Barrett's views on abortion cases
"Judiciary Committee hearings in full swing this week. Arlene's outta wrote this report. For many feminists, it is the most painful, outrageous and sad irony that the Supreme Court seat once held by Ruth Bader Ginsburg, one of the most staunch supporters of women's rights and civil rights, will soon be held by another woman. But one who seems to be the mirror opposite of R B, G and all her views the Senate Judiciary Committee hearings this week on the nomination of Amy Cockney Barrett to the Supreme Court. But her views on full display despite the fact that she repeatedly refused to answer questions about her opinions, questions on such settled issues as the right to birth control and the right to vote, including a peaceful transition of power. As the result of that vote, all got I cannot comment answers. When asked about her view opposing same sex marriage, she offhandedly used the term sexual preference when referring to the LGBT plus community, even though many activists say the term is offensive. One after another Democratic senators tried to press her on her record, such as the fact that she previously signed onto an ad describing abortion as barbaric and calling for the Roe v. Wade decision to be overturned. Her two dissenting opinions and abortion related cases, one of which involved allowing minors to get an abortion without notifying parents by way of judicial bypass, and another that would have required fetal remains to be formally buried. Observers say 17 cases related to abortion are one step away from the Supreme Court and three including a 15 week abortion ban from Mississippi could be taken up as early as its next session. And her only nod to any progressive opinion. Barrett seemed to support the idea of desegregation by calling the Brown v. Board of education decision a super precedent that isn't likely to ever be overturned. The Judiciary Committee is set to vote to approve barrettes nomination next week with a vote of the full Senate by the end of the month. Bang. With the nomination of Amy Cockney Barrett to the U. S. Supreme Court. Questions about her ties to the religious right have raised concerns about the fate of Roe v. Wade and a person's right to reproductive choices. Her turn. Reporter Ellen La Luzerne spoke with Karen Garst, who author to anthologies about the impact of religion on women. Women beyond belief, and women versus religion. Last received her PhD in curriculum and instruction from UW Madison and is a current resident in the state of Oregon. 2016 you published a book Women Beyond belief. In the book's introduction, You stated that you wrote the book after learning of the 2014 U. S. Supreme Court decision regarding Hobby lobby's denial of reproductive care for their employees. Your reaction was to question why a corporation can use its religious beliefs. To dictate the healthcare a woman could receive. Fast forward to today when we're witnessing the Supreme Court nomination process for a woman who is a valid Lee, a member of an extremist religious sect that believes that women should submit to their husbands What was your reaction when you heard about the nomination of Amy Clooney Barrett for the U. S Supreme Court. First of all, I wasn't surprised because Trump has already appointed people to the Supreme Court. I didn't watch quite a bit of the confirmation hearings of his previous nominees, so I wasn't surprised that he appointed someone who's conservative. He vowed when he was elected that he would appoint justices to the Supreme Court who would overturn Roe v. Wade. If Connie Bear is confirmed, What is your opinion about the impact that this might have for future cases such as the Affordable care act and a woman's right to choose? Well, I think it's going to have very dilatory ous impacts because now we're going to have a Supreme Court. That is considered very conservative. I believe six of the justices will be considered Catholic, and there are going to write decisions as they have for that have a conservative bent. I think it's very unfortunate that the Supreme Court has become so politicized. If we look in our history. One of the things that I was doing some research on was previous decisions and Brown vs the Board of Education. Which desegregated schools was fundamental change to the way this society was operating was a 9 to 0 decision, and people saw what was happening in society, and I talked to a friend of mine who is a lawyer there. Who said, you know, there's this public sentiment. That's how culture changes. And people were attuned to that, And now we're not appointing people to the Supreme Court who have an open view. They're very, very one sided, and I think it's totally tragic that she's going to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg. What do you think the consequences will be for Roe v. Wade and access to freedom of choice? An abortion? There will always be abortion. The question is whether it's going to be safe and whether it's going to be legal. There has been throughout time before Roe v. Wade. It was back alley abortions, and I think younger women today they don't know what it was like before then Roe v. Wade. If it were completely overturned, I think would have a revolution. It might take a while to put it together. Rather, I think what they'll do is just approved all these restrictions on it, making the doctors who on abortion clinics we associate with the hospital, whether it's making AA lot regulations on the clinic itself and what it can have and what it has to have delegating more. The authority of states and people are going to have to say I don't want to live in a state like this. If they overturn it completely and make abortion illegal. I just Hey, I'm ready to start the revolution. I don't think they're going to go that far. But who knows? What do you think, drives the women who are supporting people like Coney, Bharat and Support these types of efforts to keep women as subservient to men, such as the belief system of Annie Cockney Barrett. Religion is an indoctrination in a set of beliefs. I'm 70 when I was growing up in the fifties in Bismarck, North Dakota. Every person I knew went to a church or there were three Jewish families who went to a synagogue. But it was part of everybody's life. So you're indoctrinated in that It's your family. Everybody else around you is like that. Unless you're exposed to something different. This shapes who you are. And we know that Trump was elected by conservatives by people who identified as religion, particularly fundamentalist religion. That's too he appeals to, and it's unfortunate that the religion hasn't changed enough to deal with our society today. What is interesting to me? Is that this woman, Amy Cockney Barrett is very intelligent. She is ah, Notre Dame professor. She's an appellate court judge, and she has seven kids. I can't imagine trying to balance all that. But in spite of that conservative religion, it is pretty hard to say, Well, she's helped meat of her husband because she is Ted her own career. In your
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"A sham. What we are seeing here is an exercise of just raw political power. This is the first time in American history that we've nominated a woman who's unashamedly pro life and embraces her faith without apology. And she's going to the court. Senate Judiciary Committee chair Lindsey Graham, who over Democratic objections has scheduled a committee vote for this coming Thursday on Supreme Court nominee Amy Cockney. Barrett. I'm w T. Opie's Mitchell Miller and the party line vote is expected to tee up a vote by the full Senate the final week of this month on Ly Days ahead of the election. Jarrett has completed her confirmation hearings, where Democrats tried unsuccessfully to pin her down on her positions on Roe vs Wade, the Affordable Care act presidential power and a host of other issues throughout, she tried to steer away from saying anything controversial. We shouldn't talk about Republican judges and Democratic judges because I think they're just
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"Yesterday for the Boston Women's March, voicing opposition to President Trump and his Supreme Court nominee Amy Cockney. Barrett. Here's W. P. Z's Mike Macklin. They gathered on Boston common at the foot of the staircase leading to the Massachusetts State House, women and men adding their voices to the National Women's March movement. March organizer Shivan Ready for telling the world that we're standing here for human rights will not let Donald Trump take that away from the demonstrators Fear President Trump's Supreme Court nominee judge any Cockney Barrett. Will swing the court's majority conservative threatening Roe v. Wade and the Affordable Care Act. They also fear Trump will refuse to accept the November vote. Should he lose to Joe Biden in person or by now, before Victor is announced you November, the demonstrators marched from Boston Common to City Hall Plaza. Calling for voters to defeat Donald Trump. That's doubly busy is
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"You consume alcohol during your high school years? Yes. We drank beer. My friends and I the boys and girls. Yes we drank beer. I like beer still light beer and Amy Kuney Barrett might be in that camp to a lot of these people want to act as if they're not partisans even if they are and that doesn't mean that Roe v Wade is safe, but it does mean that it might take longer to unravel abortion rates and there's some hope in that because of course, the longer it takes the more uncertainty there is so then you. Might have, for example, retirements on the service side or deaths on the conservative side you might have court packing if that's a road, the Democrats. decided to go down. So if you're looking for kind of absolute certainty in the near term, we might not get the handmaid's tale now but we're gonNA get some kind of rollback of abortion rates but make no mistake that where it's going is an absolute prohibition nationwide of worship. Michelle all right. What's your take on the debate with and the potential of having another? I. Mean It's going to happen another conservative judge I just want to get your takes even after row there were challenges put in place for poor women, women of color with Hyde Amendment a series of Supreme Court cases that preference pregnancy, the state funding pregnancy, versus pregnancy termination even in the wake of data that we know that an abortion has a A. Shot. Even though we know that a person is fourteen times more likely to die by carrying a pregnancy to term in the United States than terminating it me, we really need to look at this for what at is you know when the State Says No, we prefer that you do this even though we know it's fourteen times more likely to kill you for women and women of Color. What is that? Place with those kinds of tomatoes I mean that really then places in context the very deadly nature of what the state is playing around with in terms of belives of poor women and women of color and I'd like to expound upon what Mary. So eloquently, put a before us to think about what the court will be doing with another conservative justice in terms of voting rights, criminal justice, the environment, all of these issues matter immigration rights, and that we must understand when we think about reproductive health rights injustice within a whole person's context, which that there are many different ways of undermining somebody's liberty and rendering them without the value of their person hood. Won't be just reproductive rights which are critically important. But what thinking about these issues in a holistic way means that we really are talking about Jim crow kind of politics mean United States, and we already see this in front of us when you have a government at quitting children ages. Yup. Separating them from their parents are up for people who are at meat packing plants that are riddled with Colbert nineteen to go back to. Work when you have a government that think that little of the wives of people have caller and that is Jim Crow. Now we can papered over with the fact that they're. Now we've gotten rid of certain swarms of discrimination in education. We see lingering effects still in housing. We still see the lingering effects of that still in boating though we still see the lingering effects of the reality is that for those people of Color. Who Have the means to somehow hopscotched? Over so many of the substantial barriers that have been put in place, not just abortion, but just living an equal life than everybody else in many ways are returning to a kind of Jim Crow Stassen. Hyperbole. That's real for all of the black women went to stand in line in Wisconsin during the pandemic summer in the primary to vote for hours and you know about Justice Ruth. GINSBURG. One of her last two cents was exactly about that. You know sort of underlying racism really with how the Supreme Court and. Supreme Court handle that which was to say if you want to vote and risk your life to do so we're not going to get right for you to be able to vote, and let's be clear in Wisconsin at the time of that. I, never though black people constitute six percent of that state, there were forty percent of the deaths. 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As you're saying, there are clear roots of racism in the antiabortion movement Michelle in your book which you first conceptualized. About. How the laws right many of these laws are from the quote unquote so-called war on drugs that have been constructed to police and criminalize pregnant women women of color in your introduction you start with this line. This is not a work of fiction although I wish it were right and you write while we may think of the handmaid's tale actually this is the United States or specifically Texas? When you recount the story of Marlisa, Munoz's in two, thousand and thirteen. Who is brain dead and decomposing and was forced by the state to state for nearly two months before she was finally taken off organ support after a legal battle the state literally had control of her body, her husband and parents had no, say there was no say because of quote unquote fetal protection. So that story so visceral, right it tells you you know the way in your book how you humanize the women criminalize victimized by these laws and we've been covering the recent reports of these forced sterilizations of immigrant women in detention. It's not a surprise. It is the natural next step we have in fact been screaming about this some of US journalists we've been talking about the sexual abuse that continuous in these places. And it's really nothing new for women of Color, for immigrants, black women for poor women, we go back all the way to slavery to Eugenics, in Your Book You Interview Loretta Ross Who's one of the leaders of the term in the movement reproductive justice who directly linked the attempt to control women with white, supremacy Patriarchy and actually let's listen to a clip of Loretta. Speaking with the Western states center well, the beauty of the reproductive justice framework is that it is the isolation of abortion from other social justice.
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"The other side of the country Santa Rosa Beach Florida is Mary Ziegler she's a law professor. At Florida State University she's a historian and author of the new book abortion and the law in America welcome Mary, and thanks for having me. So you get you get the idea of what we're talking about people talking about reproductive justice. And how women of color are too often criminalised in this country around the issue of reproductive justice and as you know, this is a very sweet spot for me like a very personal one But the first thing we're going to do is we're going to talk about this update with Briana Taylor case which has been for women. Just, not a slap in the face it's like we're getting pummeled. So. Just to recap the back story of Brianna Taylor back in. March she's a twenty six year old emergency. Medical technician was shot Multiple Times and killed when Louisville police raided her home last week a grand jury charged only one officer Brett Hankinson in the shooting for wanton endangerment. You know he was the one who's shots actually hit the neighbor's homes ripe. So Not Brianna Kentucky's Attorney General, Daniel. Cameron said that the officers had acted in quote unquote self defense. But as of this recording on Monday afternoon, he is yet to release the transcripts from the grand juries deliberations. On Friday Brianna Taylor's family and lawyers held a news conference. BRIANNA mother to make a Palmer released a statement. It was read by her sister who is Brianna his aunt her name is Bianca Austin. Undo camera would never do his job but what I do know is that him and countless others will go to bed sleeping with his face. Still hearing her say her name. Camera. Didn't feel her but it ended with the lack of investigation failed her the officer from told lies to obtain the search winfield her the judge who signed the search warrant field her the terrorists who broke down her door filmed her the system as a whole has filled her. You didn't just rob me of my m, my family, you rob the world of acquaintance. Acquaintance. Willing to do a job that most of us could never stomach to do a queen willing to build up anyone around her of. Who was starting to pay for? I hope you never have to know the pain of knowing your child. is in the and help. You're not able to give them. I hope you never hear the sounds of someone cry and begged for your child to get health and she never receives help. Those cries was ignored. I hope you never know the pain of your child being murdered a hundred and ninety one monroe own. To make. So. Michelle really. The question is, do you reform a system like that or? I mean it doesn't feel like you can reform a system that right here saying, Oh, right. The only officer we're going to charge the one who hit the neighbor's home some. You know we live in a society that begs best to suspend our intelligence Let's be clear about that because we know that she died her body riddled of bullets. And many people believe in the criminal justice system that what it does is to see something like that in the outcome, is that this innocent person? Sleeping in her own bed in the middle of the night. And essential care worker during these times that if she is hard, there is justice on the other side of it. But the criminal justice system engaged with black people's lives. Especially, black women's lives has historically been not rendered that last result, which is just as and that's historically. So so let's remember that historically police forces were slave patrols in the United States. The very same model of the is the same model of a badge from the sixteen and seventeen hundreds as a slave. The earliest policing laws in the United States, the earliest laws related to homicide made it not a crime to kill black people right so you could because black people were considered property. Pretty can't be killed SEC. These cases involving that weather was black people being maimed black people being murdered. Any of those things that white people were just not held to account for an even in the cases of those things that happen to be the most egregious horrific. Let's think about in it tells that still no conviction even after people admit to doing what they have done or the murder of the four little girls in Alabama, church, Sixteenth Street Baptist Church, and so many of the main with wire recording knowing exactly who did it no rest no convictions for decades. So in that historical light, we're still looking for a constitution that adequately fulfils its promise to black women well. Mary your thoughts. I think it's a good segue to what we're talking about today I think even with the say her name campaign it's so much easier to forget about what happens to black women in the justice system versus even two black men and I think that's one of the reasons this conversation is so important often when people talk about mass incarceration or criminal justice reform, they're not thinking about women and they're. Not Talking about women, which is one of the reasons Taylor story is so important but it's also a good reminder of how these criminal justice issues go beyond just the sorts of concerns about the police and about released violence and police brutality that we've all been talking about they go even into the sort of most intimate corners of our lives which are the kinds of things Michelle and I have been studying i. Knew it's. In the backdrop of what happened to be on a Taylor it wasn't until George. Floyd horrific. Murder that we all saw that then said, we'll left pay attention to Brianna Taylor too because recall that she was murdered weeks before he was. Rain you know and and it just takes that and it's so unfortunate that sort of devaluing of black women's lives such that it has to be an appendage to something else horrific happening for people to begin paying attention to the dairy and the harm of black women, and that's just historically been. So we've been several hundred years into this enterprise of a failure to take seriously and to honor the lives of black women the ways in. which their bodies have been abused through rape and sexual assault, the foundations of our nation and slavery papered over. But so real I mean in one example of that is think about Monticello literally the papering over of Sally hemmings bedroom. Yeah. So woman who has a Thomas Jefferson each her to France sired children with every element of s we've not yet dealt with Brian, our country emend literally her bedroom papered over turned into a best room.
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"Great none of that none of that this is not. An emotional I hate abortion. We're going to use this fleeting moment. We have of trumpism to rollback everything that's happened since the Warren Court. Roberts is not that so I. Don't disagree with you, but I'm going to propose provocative counterfactual. What if in two thousand five? When John G Roberts was nominated to replace Sandra Day, o'connor, what if chief, Justice Rehnquist had not died and John. Roberts was not subsequently then proposed to be his replacement chief justice, and he was instead in the Sam Alito seat as an associate justice. I think you get a very French. John Roberts one who is more willing to live and die by those conservative legal movement principles in the position of chief justice. John Roberts is a very different animal. One Who I think plays. Plays a long game is a more savvy operator recognizes that this is an election year. The country's incredibly polarized. We are in the most insane I mean. Everyone's shut up on zoom in their homes. The country looks like it's about to just explode with racial division. Is this the moment to sort of like set off a flare about abortion rights? Probably not and so I think you get him sort of thinking institutionally about what it means in this moment to uphold this law that looks so much like a law. We just struck down to do so with to be to debris on the court as A nakedly partisan and politicized, which is something that time and time again we have seen he does not want. He is the most stalwart protector of the courts, institutional integrity and I think that comes out in this opinion. To which I can only respond good. Good I'm glad. My uterus breathe the sigh of relief. I'm still. It's also convulsing waiting for four years from now. When maybe we're out of the woods. Maybe Donald Trump is still president. Maybe there's another vacancy on the court and you do have a six three majority, and suddenly it doesn't. You don't have to look like an `institutionalised anymore because this doesn't look so fraught I. Share share precisely that concern except that you know i. you know had less confidence that Roberts would be. Concerned about keeping the court in the center, one of the things about the Supreme Court that I always think about that rotten. Is Very relevant for Roberts is that you know the his title under the Constitution is not chief justice of the Supreme Court. It's chief justice of the United. States and I think he's very aware of that. He feels an institutional responsibility for the Judicial Branch of government and you know when when President Trump said. There Obama judges, and there are trump judges in Robert. Robert's jumped at I actually. Agree with trump on that I mean I. I think. They're they're the? In most of these provocative cases, of course, there trump judges in their go bomb judges, and they're gonna see things differently, but Roberts is very concerned about the institutional respect that that the court receives frankly I. Don't think you know approving these abortion regulations in in Louisiana. Had he done so would have set off. You know a a lack of institutional respect for the court, except among those of us who follow the court. You know, the the the the. The the the evil genius of these regulations is that they don't look like an an outright out long of abortion, even though they. Often have that that affect So I I guess I give Roberts a little more credit. Maybe it's just because of my pasta and. Now I think I. Think here's what I will say. This is my I think my last sort of. Because? I do think that the `gendering of the commentary has been quite fascinating and I think I tend to agree with Melissa I. It's been with few exceptions pretty consistent but I. Can I? Can I just stop you there without disagreeing with you? Why why do men and and I'm not and literally not disagreeing at it because you know you have? Laid out the facts in a why are men more optimistic about this opinion? Women were pessimistic and and I I asked that of genuine ignorance I wasn't even aware of this until we started talking, but I'm curious what what I would say. Progressive Man I mean this is. Let's let's cabinet to that because it's people who tend to be deeply protective of a abortion rights and still I. Think are more sanguine about this than the women who have really responded I think the way Melissa, and I have which is who boy, the Knicks ones could be a whopper. Blow up in our face. I think the one thing I would say, and I will leave it to Melissa if she has a unified theory I will say the fact that zero women wrote. We had six opinions in this case, all man none of the women justices wrote. The silence I saw in the opinion that really was concerning to me, was that women all, but disappeared brier writes this very coldly dispassionate kind of Adleman law. Dr Number Four. Surely. There was very very little of the kind of Jeff. You started by saying. This is not Ginsberg Ginsburg would have written about the lived lives of women, women and Louisiana. One Clinic left after all they all shuttered. What is that like all? That's gone and so then I. Think you just get this very strange? Balancing test from? Justice Breyer like his most. If you sieve is still. Volkan stipulated like he just doesn't roll the way you know justice. GINSBURG does, but I think that. The absence of women's stories voices narratives the suffering that women are going to kind of experience in this opinion was really striking to me as a woman I will say that I I think it was doubly striking, because not only were the female justices on the court silent, you had the conservative male justices in dissent, being so voluble outrage Clarence, Thomas talking about abortionists as opposed to abortion providers, I'm Neil. gorsuch painting, really visceral images of clinics, and again it would have been..
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"In Millhauser you covered the Supreme Court for Vox. And you're at the court yesterday for oral arguments in this case. June Medical Services v Russo. How did it go? It's a little surprising. So when I woke up Wednesday morning I thought those zero percent chance that the Supreme Court would vote to strike down this antiabortion law okay and when I left. I was a little surprised by Chief Justice Roberts who is very conservative and very conservative in particular on abortion I left. There's a thirty percent chance that he will flip over and vote to strike down the antiabortion law which means the clinic would win and the state of Louisiana would lose. That's right I think there is at least some chance that there's going to be five votes in favor of the clinic here on the reason. Why is that? The state claims that it passed this law in order to protect patient's health and Robert seemed unpersuaded at times by that argument. It's not a convincing argument. There's very little empirical evidence for it. Hope Medical Center the abortion clinic at the heart of this is performed about seventy thousand abortions and only four of those have led to complications that required hospitalization. So you know if your fear is that. There's this epidemic of People who are having complications after they have an abortion require hospitalization. And they can't get into the hospital because there isn't fear not problem has already been solved by the fact that abortion is very safe and the chances that abortion patient is going to require. Hospitalization is vanishingly. Small is the argument that the clinic made in front of the court yesterday. That's right yeah so the clinic and I and I should point out like some of our listeners. Be Having Deja Vu here. The reason why they might be having Deja Vu is because in two thousand sixteen. There's a case called whole women's health. V Heller Stat chief justice and May it please the court? The Texas requirements undermine the careful balance struck and Casey between faiths legitimate interests in regulating abortion and women's fundamental liberty to make personal decisions about their pregnancies. They are unnecessary health. Regulations that create substantial obstacles to abortion access and what the Supreme Court said in that case. Is that admitting privileges. Laws do not benefit patients and basically all at the clinic was arguing. This case was hey that thing that you said less than four years ago still true the Federal District Court after trial found the two provisions were unconstitutional. They constituted undue burden on a woman's right to choose. The Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit reversed. We in agreed with the District Court and we reversed the court of Appeals. So why here the case then? They've already decided something so close in Texas. The biggest difference between whole woman's health the case from four years ago and June medical. The case that was heard this week has nothing to do with the facts of the cases. Nothing to do with the law has everything to do with the personnel on the Supreme Court four years ago Justice Kennedy was stolen the court and Justice Kennedy. You Know I. I wouldn't call him a huge defender of abortion rights. You voted to strike down the overwhelming majority of the abortion restrictions. That came before him. But every now and then he would see a restriction. That goes too far. You're cutting too far in into this core constitutional right that Mike Boorda's recognize and that's what he said in whole woman's House Kennedy's gone on Kennedy was the fifth vote whole women's health and his replacement. Brad Kavanagh has a very consistently antiabortion record in making your argument you ignored and I believe mischaracterized Supreme Court precedent. You reasoned that Jane Doe should not be unable to exercise our right to choose because she did not have family and friends to make her decision. The argument Rewrite Supreme Court precedent and Gorsuch is also fresh to the court from that two thousand sixteen decision. That that's right yeah. Neal gorsuch was appointed to replace justice. Scalia who actually died. While the whole woman's health case was pending so did gorsuch and cavenaugh weigh in on Wednesday in any way. That might suggest how they're going to vote. So gorsuch was quiet at the oral argument but based on his record when he was a lower court judge he took a very aggressive steps against planned parenthood. Like I'm pretty darn confident that core such is going to cast antiabortion votes. Cavanaugh also signalled that he intends to vote with the state here and Kavanagh's argument so remember that whole woman's health the Texas case said that admitting privileges don't do anything to benefit patient health and it also said that. It's also really hard for doctors to get these things early for abortion. Doctors take to get amazing privileges and so this is a huge burden for no benefited struck down capital. How do we know? That's true in Louisiana. Sure it might be true that in Texas. It's really hard for abortion doctors to get these credentials but maybe it's different Louisiana. Is it no? It's not the American Medical Association and the Medical Association representing Obstetricians and gynecologists filed an amicus brief where they said Nope Zane the evidence in the case suggests that it's the same there several doctors in this case who tried to get admitting villages and weren't able to do so you know and and often it was for the exact reason that I said. I like one of the doctors for example only provides medication abortions and doesn't really have much of a medical practice beyond like every now and then prescribing on medication abortions and so. This person admits pretty much. No one to a hospital because there's no need that for any of this. Doctors patients go into a hospital and so that person would have really tough time getting omitting village. In fact the state's own expert witness admitted that yeah that that doctor would have a tough time getting admitting privileges. So what's the bigger picture here? We know from what you said about giving the state a thirty percent chance of winning this case here that Louisiana would go from three abortion clinics to maybe just one bright which would make the procedure even more restrictive in the state. But but what's going on here with the Supreme Court Roe v Wade and this new cast of characters. So this case is likely to come down to Roberts you know he was the only person I saw up there who seemed in any way uncertain about how he would vote. And Roberts really doesn't like Roe v Wade you know if the lawyer for the state had come in and said we think that Roe v Wade was wrongly decided and and we think that this court should overrule at. And here's the argument for why. This should be overruled and they've just been opened about what they were trying to accomplish. I think there's a really good chance Roberts would have said like that's what I want to. What the state did instead is. It passed this law which is really an abortion restriction but it's Kinda disguised as a health regulation and then they asked the justices to say like we want you to pretend that this lol is going to protect people's health even though we can't provide you much evidence that it will and even though you said for years ago that it won't and even though our lawyer is now in an oral argument and the liberal justices peppering her with questions asking her to Find Demonstrate. Evidence. This will protect women's health and she's unable to do it. The state was asking the justices to participate in a pretty deceptive. Act here. There's a chance that Roberts isn't GONNA go there. But what does it mean for the next case that comes? That isn't handled this way. That doesn't have this precedent. What does it mean when someone comes to the Supreme Court to this to this new cast of characters gorsuch and Cava and says Row v? Wade is bad law. Yeah I mean I think the bad news for people care about abortion rights is. I think that there's a chance that Roberts gives Roe v Wade a stay.
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"By nineteen seventy twelve states had passed reform laws and that year New York Hawaii Alaska and Washington repealed their criminal abortion laws completely. Burn something thing Nelson happened in one thousand nine hundred seventy a woman in Texas named Norma mccorvey file a lawsuit against a district attorney named Henry. Wade she was single pregnant pregnant with her third child and had tried to get an abortion but her life was not considered in danger so it was a legal in Texas and she couldn't afford to lead the state her case. Ace made it all the way to the. US Supreme Court where they used the pseudonym Jane Royale this was a rover swayed court. Today ruled that abortion is is completely a private matter to be decided by mother and Dr seventy-two ruling to that effect will probably result in drastic overhaul of state laws on abortion specifically specifically the court. Today overturn laws in Texas and Georgia and rule. The government has no right to enter into a decision which should be made by the mother and her doctor. The nineteen seventy-three seventy three ruling putting into the therapeutic abortion puzzle. It was a huge win. For All the women who fought to make it happen from Pat McGinnis to Sherri Chessen Chechen and also the doctors because without them fighting to protect themselves. It might not have happened at all. The main author of Roe was Harry Blackmun. Who did a great service to American women and I know way mean to at all to denigrate him but for him? Writing row was all about protecting acting. Doctors it's not that he was unsympathetic to women getting abortions. But you know if you read the language of Ro It's the physician and his his capacity. Should be able to decide etcetera etcetera and a lot of feminist actually including Ruth Bader Ginsburg have criticized row sang sang rather than being decided on the right to privacy and rather than focusing on protecting the physician. I ideally row should have been decided on on the issue of gender discrimination. Only women get pregnant. Therefore only women are denied certain quote benefits such as being able to participate in society because of unwanted childbearing..
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"Country if Sherri Chessen was the gentle wave of the abortion rights movement calmly convincing the world. That things needed to change had McGuinness was the fire and she advocated for total repeal of all abortion laws. She helped connect women to illegal abortion providers or ones out of the country. She also taught them how to do it. Themselves had McGinnis never asked women why they needed abortions. She just trusted that each one had her own good reason the. The U Approve of abortion for any reason. Some hundred thousand women every year. This is California women alone subject themselves improperly properly or illegal abortion I think that in itself is a rather staggering figure and I feel great indignation as a woman to think that women in half subject themselves to second rate medical care for a safe surgical procedure but women like Pat McGinnis mark gaining traction with mainstream America. It took women talking as Mother's about disability for the idea of abortion rights to gain. Traction I think a lot of in feminism lost cars did not WanNa look at what this meant that German measles was about birth defects and disabilities. That this is this is a scary thing to touch. That's what they began talking about that. It's it's as mothers. They make this decision and eventually they do change.
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"How does a mother knowingly bring into the world a child to suffer I I cannot do it? I couldn't do it for two seconds knowing what I knew. I had to take the course that I did. And I don't regret an Chapter Three the mothers this group of one and a half to four year old children in the clinic reception area are all in the rubella program at the Texas Children's Hospital in Houston individual sessions is with the social worker focused on current stresses produced by the presence of a handicapped child in the family. Dorothy bigs already had a young. Thanks sound when her daughter Leslie was born. She was in the hospital about six months. Her first year apply within the first just few years she did have a total of twenty surgeries. We did everything in the world. We knew to try to give her the best chance we it could. We were so poor we didn't have we just borrowed many. You know to do anything that we could One of the hardest lessons that kind of hit me was when she became school age. I worked for the schools. I worked for the Dallas public schools and I went into the office and I said you know I want. I know that you don't have a facility to help her her but I won't hurrying row. She's of age to be enrolled in school. And I won't her name down so that you. I know that she is out here and they refused to even do that. Bertha's husband left the family when Leslie was five. I think his words were distort know how to handle it and so Dorothea was a single mother to both Leslie and her son until Leslie Flea was nine and she went to live in a group program for children with Congenital Rubella Syndrome if I don't sound at this point being Sorry for myself dramatic here. We're trying to do but it was literally nine years ears of you didn't know if you could take a shower can do anything because you had to be on alert all the time and You know be able to provide that care and it was. I guess I I went into probably deep depression during those times. I don't think are recognized within but I know that I can remember thinking you know. Oh if I had never been born then. This wouldn't have happened to her. Some people were starting to recognize the impossibility of the situation. And it wasn't only about how nineteen sixties America viewed and treated disability. It was also viewed food and treated women. The gender imbalance was real and the unequal demands on women began during pregnancy starting with an impossible assignment. Mint just don't get rubella so German measles what are you supposed to do when you get this message. here's an epidemic. The main vector is little kids and then the advice that they're given is okay so avoid children women of childbearing being aged avoid children so this is the most ridiculous advice. It's the baby boom. It's not exactly easy for women to avoid Loyd children their their lives are often wrapped up and children. We probably don't have to tell you that when these women brought their babies home they were the primary caregivers because of the lack of societal support because of how hard that made it to keep special needs children at home and how expensive it could be. Many parents saw no other option but to place their children in institutions in fact doctors often pressured parents to institutionalize their children at birth Newborn infants are institutionalized commonly at that time there advised institutionalized the blind child the intellectually impaired. Child disc- Oh have another baby in some ways. These women were losing their children no matter what if this all sounds like a trap. That's because it was there was no ideal or perfect choice here. That's what we mean. Keep saying this was an impossible situation. Women recognized bad and you have right away women looking for abortions right off the bat I mean they put it all together themselves and they find people and they say I'm pretty sure I've been exposed..
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"In nineteen sixty two the US. Watch from a distance as the so-called the Litt- mine disaster her hit Europe. The drug was thought to be so harmless it was given to women for morning sickness. Of course later we realized it wasn't harmless at all. There were a whole range range of disabilities associated with the limited but the FDA never approved it so people in the US saw themselves as having avoided a tragedy which reminds us of the undercurrent running through this entire story. A deep seated fear of disability when housewives began demanding abortions. It wasn't just that mainstream society saw them as nice respectable ladies who of course should make decisions about their own bodies for themselves. It's it's that. Each one was seeking an abortion for a very specific reason to prevent what mainstream society saw as a tragedy. A disabled child. Okay all the little sparked the anxiety among women but rubella made it persists and so to understand the world they're living in. This is what they're being told there. Are these headlines. There's going to be twenty thousand damaged babies in the United States with German measles and they're calling deformed and dangerous children that are going to be born so picture that people had in their minds and the pictures that were running the newspapers at the exact same moment where pictures of the solidified babies as they were called and Faber called freaks and monsters. This was the picture in people's minds and they were terrified the response to the forecasts of so called damage. Rubella babies was widespread panic and it was considered a crisis in the making but a huge part of that crisis was was actually the social situation that these children would land in beyond the stigma around disability. which let's face it still very much exists to this day? A in the nineteen sixties. There was zero material social support for babies children or adults with disabilities. They don't think at all about well. What can we do? The baby's we'll how could we improve the world for them. It doesn't come up as a question. Everything that might be needed was on the shoulders privately of the parents in terms of education in terms of Therapy medical needs. There's no right to public education. There's no mainstreaming does not like a disability rights movement. This is all in the future in fact many parents of children with congenital. Rubella Syndrome went onto advocate for disability rights and unhelped eventually get the Americans with disabilities act passed. Of course that's still decades away but it was this historical moment in the specter of solidified enters the American consciousness that abortion to enters the debate in nineteen sixty one Sherri Chessen was living in Arizona with her husband and four young children. She was pregnant with her fifth when she took something. Her husband had gotten Europe. I can still remember him putting him up in the high high highest cabinet in our kitchen why he was saving them. I have no idea never thought of that till this moment. Then why did he save them. Sherri Chessen by the way is called Sherry Finkbeiner in almost all the media we found of her. She told us that think behind was her first husband's name but it was never her legal name so in a sense she says the Kress created. Sheri Fink Fine. Sherry became the first woman in the country to deliberately tell the public like about her decision to get an abortion but that was not her original plan she quietly went to her doctor in Arizona and he consented to a therapeutic abortion Shen but before the scheduled procedure she started to worry about all the other women who might find themselves in the same position. My first thought was Oh my God. The Air National Guard from Phoenix had been in Germany the year before so I thought maybe they brought it back and other mothers others would inadvertently take it like I did so. She called the newspaper and anonymously told a reporter her story that Monday on the front page of the paper was an article with the Words baby deforming drug may cost woman her child here. It did not name He. At that time it came close at Scottsdale mother of four and I think it said that Bob was the teacher at Scottsdale High School. It didn't matter what was printed. The county attorney announced that any doctor gave her an abortion would be violating Arizona's US abortion law which remember only permitted them if the woman was going to die Sherri doctor called her at work and told her he couldn't go through with even so I put the phone down and instead of crying. Like I'm Kinda doing now. I put my hands on my hips and said I'm calling the county attorney's office and I called and I said I just WanNa know what the attorney general has to do. Oh with interfering in any families Decision to Take care of their what they think incas best for their own family Sherry did get an abortion but she had to go to Sweden to do it every doctor she approached in the. US refused her. For fear of being prosecuted. Her story became a sensation and reporters documented every step of her experience. Here's a news clip from nineteen sixty two justice. She's leaving for Sweden supplant. What are your plans after Sweden and so worried about today that I just want to do what's right for myself in my family and I don't feel bitter towards anyone I i? I don't feel bitter towards people who opposed as religiously. I only hope that they can feel that we're doing what's best in our case in in in could feel some of what's in my heart and trying to prevent the tragedy for happy. As American women watched her story unfold. They learn two things. One was how dangerous solidified was. The second was how hard it was to get an abortion for what people increasingly saw as a valid reason and even though she was an unlikely spokesperson for abortion she was also kind of the perfect one to change the conversation in nineteen sixty one. The media framed abortion as dangerous and women who got them as sexual deviants or at best victims then along came Sherry. She was young married white and a mother four times over in fact she was also also pretty and practically made for. TV In fact she was actually the beloved host of a Children's TV. Show called the Romper Room. She was completely inoffensive. Offensive to nineteen sixties Middle America and she went on. TV and very sweetly told the world that she needed an abortion and she explained why and they listen to her Jerry think by CETERA. Nineteen sixty two might controversy was also at face press conference immaturity. I I am not an expert in field. I have studied the question. I'm not a doctor. A lawyer I am not so few logically involved at all I know is that I was somebody who needed one. Under certain given conditions a Gallup poll showed that fifty two percent of Americans approved to her abortion. But there ever so many people who didn't approve to put it mildly that the F. B. I.. Had to help protect her family. Negative reaction was pretty damn ugly. I will tell you a in some of these letters that they would send me a picture of myself with dagger through my head with blood running down the worst ones were pictures that people would send cutting the limbs off my children and it was heartless it was criminal was insane and we asked Sherry. She was surprised that she had to leave the country to get an abortion. I guess shocked would be more than than surprised because I thought my doctor would just pop me in the hospital. I realized one day I had poison myself with a manmade poison poisoned. I was going to get a man made Dr to to get that poison out from me and I just fought till two. I was successful but the trouble is pregnancies. Don't wait while you're fighting. I was lucky I found this out when I was just a couple couple months pregnant so I had more time because I always felt I felt quickening. You know the baby move I was I was unique gone because then it would become instead of fetal growth. As I was told to think of it it would become a baby. And I didn't want it to be a baby.
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"The origin story. Rubella has been around for a long time it's not like it's suddenly suddenly appeared in one thousand nine hundred sixty four but for most of its history. No one was really worried about it. You know it's an infectious disease. It was very minor. Are there lots of things that people got that we don't get so much anymore in the US Mumps chicken pox scarlet fever in the early twentieth century. That that were dangerous in you would quarantine your kids at home and you hope they survived. German measles was really really minor. Arash Arash that lasted a couple of days. Didn't even try to confine your kids to bed and nobody worried about it sometimes. You didn't even know you had it. Historian of Medicine Lesley Nicely. Regan wrote a book about the rebel DEMOC and how it helped change. Abortion law called the dangerous pregnancies by the way she calls rubella German measles when she's talking talking about the nineteen sixties that most people would have called it at the time so this wasn't something pay people paid any attention to and it's not until World War Two that that there is a connection is figured out between German measles pregnancy and a series of birth birth defects. Remember Dortha big said. It was Leslie's is that caught her attention. Cataracts were also the key clue for an Australian ophthalmologist named Norman. Greg in one thousand nine forty one all of these mothers whose babies had cataracts started coming to see him now. This is a very rare problem and he begins to investigate this and go and send out questionnaires to other doctors defined are using these cases and then when he begins against to make a connection. He's they also start talking to the mothers of the children who are bringing them in and somebody said to him mm-hmm you know. I wonder if it's related to my having German measles one I was pregnant and rather than dismissing it. As that's doesn't make sense cents. That's ridiculous. He actually kept that as a question in mind and began looking at the other cases and asking. Do you remember number whether you had a rash to Jeb German measles and found out that almost all of the cases where they could get information. They had had a rash that had German measles during during their pregnancy. Norman crag did something fairly radical. He listened to women and he learned something important in an alarming from them. A virus that had previously been thought of as harmless was in fact harming babies and your d'oro and remember this is nineteen forty. One women won't be told about the dangers of things like smoking and drinking during pregnancy for another few decades. Most people don't yet understand things that pregnant women and chess or reviver she contracts can affect a developing fetus in nineteen. Forty one norman. Greg didn't have the whole picture yet but he started spreading the word. He talked to other doctors doctors at medical conferences. He also wanted the radio to alert regular Australians and he immediately got phone calls from other mothers where their children were for. Maybe three four five years old and they said my child is deaf and I had German measles during pregnancy mincy. So I think there's something else as well and then because of those calls he followed that so that's one of the things that's really important in this is. He listened to the mothers when they came in with their their knowledge of their infants and their own bodies and their suspicions.
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"An estimated twenty to thirty thousand thousand children were born with a congenital rubella Sandro as the result of the nineteen sixty four sixty five rebel epidemic in the United States So imagine this it's the mid nineteen sixties and you're pregnant. There's a rebel epidemic sweeping the country. It's very contagious. Rubella is in a wave kind of like Zeka it's pretty harmless for most people even most children but when it's contract during pregnancy and see it can cause devastating birth defects and developing fetuses. This is a news clip from nineteen sixty nine crippling abnormalities. Bad sight and hearing Heart Activities Mental Retardation at least twenty thousand other babies were still rubella epidemics comment cycles six to nine years apart most authorities authorities expect the next epidemic could come in the spring of Nineteen seventy-one. Rubella is one of those diseases that we barely remember anymore. But but you're probably familiar with the vaccine. It's the are in the m our vaccine but in nineteen sixty four. There's no vaccine yet and no reliable liable diagnostic test yet. Either doctors are still working on that. There's also no real way to prevent yourself from getting it. And if you wind up having a baby with congenital rubella syndrome. You're on your own. There's no social support of any kind for people with disabilities. An abortion is not legal legal and it won't be for nearly a decade north. Biggs was one of the tens of thousands of women who contracted Rebelo while pregnant in the nineteen sixties. It wasn't during the big epidemic of nineteen sixty four to sixty five but years later in nineteen sixty nine. She had it when she was just two and a half weeks pregnant. But it went undiagnosed announced so it wasn't until after her daughter. Leslie was born that she realized something was wrong. I was walking down the hall and the way the lights lights hit. Leslie's is a thought. Something doesn't look right about her eyes. Cataracts are frequent frequent symptom of congenital. Rubella Syndrome blindness often follows like it did with Leslie I think one of the most difficult halt things for us was that we just kept getting blow after blow after blow because one disability they would show up and then another one would show up in another one would show up. Children born with Congenital Rubella Syndrome. Leslie often have multiple disabilities and the viruses effects on the fetus. Are More severe the earlier. The mother hasn't remember Dorothy had it when she was just two and a half weeks pregnant. Leslie is now fifty years old. She's blind and deaf. She has heart problems and severe intellectual disabilities. Ken Leslie here you know. Can Leslie see you now now. Now how. How do you communicate with your daughter? This is the why it's through touch can Not hearing or seeing. I've often thought you know this is just a dark silent world for her. Dorothy Dorthe Struggles with the idea. That things could've gone differently. I had been Ill before I even knew I was pregnant and went to the doctor and to see what was going. On and I had had a slight rash so I Asked the doctor. Could this rash rebel. He I said when and I'LL BE WE'RE GONNA have rebel. You'd had it in the sixty four sixty five epidemic. He did tell me that he ran a test and In bed it was not rebel. So when Lesley was born and we started Sing disabilities ace at went back to him and he said well. I'm just going to have to be more careful next time. He said I was so sure that that he wasn't I didn't run the tests. It's been suffering life is I see it. And it's it's something that I wish I could have Really known at the early part of the pregnancy because I would never have bled her. Go through all this. I definitely would have chosen abortion to save her from from all she's gone through I. I think it's important for people to now that it's not because you think oh I'm going to have a baby who's disabling. It's going to cause me a lot of trouble. It's more that you just don't want them to have to go through that. It's not you're not wanting when you go there you don't want the child go through it. Maybe you're wondering what Dorothy bigs means. Means when she said she would have gotten an abortion in nineteen sixty nine because we just told you abortion was illegal. Well there's an asterisk a a big asterisk so big in fact that this whole entire story actually takes place within. Rovers Wade won't happen until nineteen seventy-three before then abortion laws in most states had some kind of exemption for medically necessary or so-called therapeutic abortions but each state made up its own rules some were strict in Arizona or Minnesota for example. You could only get an abortion if you were going to die. Other states rules were more vague. I'm in Illinois for example if there had to be a bona fide medical reason but even in the states where therapeutic abortion was legal and the grounds for one were well-defined fine getting one was anything but straightforward it varied between states but also between cities hospitals individual doctors by the mid nineteen sixties. There was already a growing movement. Feminists were pushing to legalize abortion without restriction. But they weren't gaining enough traction to get to row. Oh actually took an epidemic and uneasy alliance with an unlikely group of activists nineteen sixties housewives during the rubella epidemic. Many women men who may have never identified as abortion rights advocates found themselves seeking abortions only to discover that that asterisk was not big enough so they pushed on it. Many of them spoke out and insisted that they were in an impossible position. One that was not only devastating and heartbreaking But completely out of their control and they demanded that they get to be the ones to make tough decisions about their own reproductive lives. They demanded did that. People listen to them and people did eventually because of who these women were but more importantly how they were portrayed bend. The media white middle class responsible married mothers. They changed the national conversation around abortion from something rooted in sexual depravity the endanger to something rooted in the cares and concerns of motherhood does certainly not. Everyone agreed with them. People listened and this historical stoorikhel moment. All sparked by virus paid the way for the legalisation.
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"Making it impossible. The case illustrates a blind spot in the debate around abortion if government can compel pregnancy and other cases it it can also compel abortion. It's not just abortion denied but reproduction controlled the fact that she chose birth at a time. Amblin the military was in effect. Coercing abortion made this case and especially sympathetic one in which to try and persuade an almost entirely all male judiciary that regulations of MRI implicate basic questions about women's equality women's equal citizenship statuesque Harris Justice. GINSBURG would put it. And it's happening at a time emerging out of a history in which you had four women of color being coerced. Without their knowledge or consent they come in to the hospital for other surgeries. And they end up being sterilized or you know as a condition to receiving various forms of care that they working seeking in this case raises the issue of coercion without requiring the court to squarely confront the issues of of racing. Class given who captain's drug was through the captain's dilemma. GINSBURG was also hoping to strike at another problem. One that hasn't been resolved even a half century century. Later that it's wrong. For the government to act in ways that reflect or reinforce the inferior social status of traditionally excluded groups including women. Whether it could be pregnancy discrimination it can be various forms of sex classifications it can be very restrictions on access to contraception to abortion that they're all part and parcel of a separate spheres regime but also harms women as a group and reinforces their inferior viewers status. We were able to find figures for just how many women in the US Air Force became pregnant from nineteen sixty nine to nineteen seventy-one just over four thousand nine percents of all women in the Air Force discharged for being pregnant but the Supreme Court would never hear the struck case ace. Perhaps fearing the case was a loser the Solicitor General persuaded the Air Force to waive captains trucks discharge. The justices decided this new policy for for pregnant women in active service rendered the case. Moot could you talk about what it might have looked like in the future if struck had been decided versus row right the traditional view that when a woman gets pregnant what. She's supposed to do how she's supposed to. Respond is to stop working and go home and prepare to become a mother and be supported By her husband who presumably there. And that's exactly what Ginsburg was combatting. It in struck the idea that there's a certain way that a woman is supposed goes to respond to a pregnancy and captain struck was being penalized for refusing to occupy that sort of traditional role. So that's the first points points. I think this would have been a great vehicle to decide. The issue of whether pregnancy discrimination counts potentially is unconstitutional. Sex Discrimination under the equal protection clause now in terms of struck being a first abortion decision instead of Roe Justice Blackmun who writes ro is not thinking about abortion as a sex equality right at all but struck would have been a way for them to see that there are sex equality stakes here that when you regulate pregnant women. These kinds of regulations can be shaped by gender bias and that the impacts on women are going to be substantially greater than the impacts on men and I think the equality stakes are are pretty clear instruct to a court that's capable of seeing it but given the time period and given the composition position of the court. I I wonder whether they would have even been capable struck his now a great grandmother she and her only child Tanya Tanya have a close relationship but it strained she says the choice. She made the decision she was forced to confront has weighed on them both in other time she she would ask me she would say why did you give me away and I didn't give you away. I gave you two. Did that help her. Yes it did after you know L.. After repeating it many times it did have dried saying. I wish it could have been different. I I wish I could have had you One of my regrets but she says things are the way they are because they are the way they are and that's all there is to it. Yeah it's okay Daniel. That makes a lot of sense as for her her career. She told us that suffered to even after her. Discharge ordeal was over the records from it were never removed from her air force file. She says struck was turned down for promotions emotions. For years. Stalled at the rank of captain so I raised new health. She retired as a lieutenant. Colonel but who knows how far she might have gotten another. What if as much as her ordeal illustrates the real human costs of gender discrimination? It also says a lot about the contours of the National National Discussion about abortion and where the politics of ended up today struck supports president trump. Although she says she doesn't identify with either party she gets her news from sources like Fox News. One America News Network and Newsmax. She's concerned about immigration and was involved in the tea party and like so many Americans. She has is complicated views on abortion as a Catholic. I'm supposed to be against abortion in any way shape or form. I'm not like when I was thinking about having an abortion abortion. It was like when I was one to two months. Pregnant in there wasn't any viability of the fetus period. And it would have just been you know. Just a clump themselves. She doesn't oppose abortion. If a woman's life is threatened by the pregnancy. Or if the fetus is badly deformed unviable polls show most Americans hold that view too but like fifty five percent of respondents. She doesn't want federal tax payer money to pay for it in fact she doesn't want the federal government involved at all in being a AH fiscal conservative. I believe it should be up to the states. And of course that was exactly the state of affairs before Roe v Wade was settled a patchwork of restrictions and regulations on abortion rights just as those adopted by the military. President Trump often repeats the myth that doctors perform abortions at nine months. Lawmakers in New York cheered with delight upon the passage of legislation that would allow a baby to be ripped from the mother's warm moments from birth. These are living feeling beautiful babies who will never get the chance to share their loving their dreams in the world. You know it's just it just kills my soul and this idea of allowing abortions up until the ninth month and then in leading the baby die when it's viable baby to me is it's something out of a horror movie to me. Of course neither either political party promotes infanticide and no state allows a fetus to be aborted in the ninth month unless the woman's life is threatened or if the fetus isn't viable both conditions under which struck supports abortion access. Duke Law School professor. Neil Siegel has written that. The struck case from an era past has lessons for our present debate. There's an an awfully good chance. At an increasingly traditionalist. Conservative Supreme Court is going to view. Various instances of pregnancy. Discrimination is not sex discrimination and if that's right then I think the story of struck and Ginsberg's working struck and Captain Susan Struck when my view deserves to be honored by collective memory emory. They can all serve as a reminder of the legal vulnerabilities and the real human costs of the path that the Supreme Court may very well take back and as long as the Republican doors. It's never over. We're not at the end of history. This is not the Supreme Court we're GonNa have in twenty or thirty years. Maybe not even in ten years now struck in the process of writing a book is becoming the author of her own story as she sees it. Her crusade was aimed at a much narrower target than the one seen by legal scholars wasn't about abortion was discreet step on the path toward equality. Today women no longer have to choose as between Motherhood in the military you know. It's it's something that was very monumental for the military that had to happen and it happened. Happened with me in the seventies and women should forget it because there isn't any reason why you shouldn't fight more for one and women have been doing that. Since our first woman general was in general the same year that McCain Does Subtle and tells me some you nearly fifty years later. They're still a long way to go for all women. The pregnant workers fairness act hasn't passed congress the US maternal mortality rate has actually been going up up and despite Supreme Court rulings access to abortion is more endangered than ever so coming up we look beyond Roe versus Wade to reproductive justice This is on the media. I'm Jessica Glenda of the Guardian and I'm OTM producer. Alana Casanova Burgess so instead of the equality arguments minced. We got row planted in a slate cellular quick described the shakier and more conservative ground of a women's private relationship with her doctor So what are we facing. Now she says there are two kinds of attacks on row. One is the use of trap laws or targeted regulation of abortion providers. She thinks the Conservatives on the court I have a preference for chipping away at access rather than an outright ban presumably by that theory they will never write the sentence Roe v Wade is now overturned.
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"Was half expecting you to get off the plane with your baby and it said you have no idea how close section but there would have been too much a fighter would never work. My object was it. I was going to stay on active duty and also have something something to do with changing the rules. Struck got a total of seven discharges from the Air Force. Most coming long after her daughter had been born. She thinks it's a record captain. Susan's truck was scheduled to be discharged in the army midnight tonight. Sushi had a child while in service that's against regulations but today Miss Struck Walker. She's not married. Got An order in court justice. Douglas preventing her discharged until the issue is thrashed out. He put her infant daughter up for adoption last summer. But the air force still sought to have our discharge under existing regulations today the ninth. US Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco rejected Captain Instructs Plea and concluded that unquote there is a compelling public interest in not having pregnant female soldiers in the military establish. Susan struck is an unmarried captain in the Air Force. who had a baby in nineteen seventy? She's a Roman Catholic who would not have an abortion. The baby has been given up for adoption. The air force wanted her discharge but she got a court todor keeping her in the service until a court could rule on the constitutionality of the air. Force's action today. The Supreme Court said it would rule on miss trucks case curly next year among struck attorneys was Ruth Bader Ginsburg than at the. ACLU's women's rights project. This is from GINSBURG's confirmation information testimony in nineteen ninety-three because no man was ordered out of service because he had been the partner in the conception. No Man was ordered out of service because he was about to become a father. Strikes case happened in nineteen seventy essentially the beginning of the Gender Equality Movement in nineteen seventy one. The High Court had decided the equal protection clause applied to women too but they could still be fired for getting pregnant. Meanwhile GINSBURG was set to argue the case the same term as Roe versus Wade one of the problems in thinking about row today is that it was never planted in the firmest possible soil and then it became became easier to take wax at Dahlia liquid covers the courts for sleet and hosts the amicus. Podcast we forget through the rear view mirror. That Roe was was not actually rooted in a mother's bodily autonomy or dignity. When you go back and you read the row opinion Justice Blackmun Ackman? He had been council at the Mayo Clinic. He was obsessed with the doctors writes in that case. In fact as the New Yorker noted a few years ago Justice Blackman's decision has forty eight references to physicians and only forty four to women by locating the rate somewhere in that conversation or relationship between a woman and in her doctor again. Always a man in justice. Blackman's construction you really did privilege the physician if not over the woman at least on equal footing meeting with the mother it was simply. That's what the court understood. Was that these wise judicious man would be helping. Women make good decisions about what was best for them but but it aligns the central moral agent here which is the woman and because of that I think it set row up to be a more teetering than it needed to be. It was not planted in the soil of women's dignity women's economic equality women's autonomy. And no less. That's the person than Ruth. Bader GINSBURG has in the years since row actually deplored that in row the justices rooted the right to an abortion in terms. It already recognized privacy liberty. A woman should be free to make this private decision with her doctor and the government shouldn't get involved although they also split the right into trimesters prime ministers with more leeway for government regulation further into the pregnancy. Ginsburg made the privacy argument INSTRUC- too but she rested at primarily unequality quality grounds. And she has said that. This is the case that got her to think in those terms. The one thing that distinguishes women from men is that only eight women become pregnant. And if you're going to subject a woman to disadvantageous treatment on the basis of her pregnant status. which was what was happening here? You were going to deny her equal treatment under the law Senator Hank Brown a Colorado Republican asked Ginsburg about it directly. I can see how the equal protection -tection argument would apply to a policy that the interfered with her plan to bear the child could that argument the applied for someone who wish to Have the option of an abortion is well. Does it apply both decision to not have an abortion as well as to a decision to have an abortion. The argument was it's her right to decide. Either way her right to decide whether or not to bear a child in this case it was her choice for childbirth. The government was inhibiting that choice. It was the price of remaining in the service. The military policy toward abortion at the time was both more permissive and more coercive then civilian policy this pre row where abortion was illegal in most circumstances around the country. Duke law professor. Neil Siegel clerked for Ginsburg in two thousand three. She declined to speak with us for this story but Seagal has interviewed reviewed her about the struck case. This is the quote I would love to have it known that during the Nixon administration armed forces basis offering abortions to women in the service the dependence of Mendon service in fact in July of that year nineteen seventy the Department of Defense issued a formal policy on abortion. It was the first we were able to find mentioning it explicitly abortions were to be permitted at military base hospitals even in states where it was illegal. That's the permissive part of it and also more coercive if if you want to keep your job in the military then you have to terminate the pregnancy. Even if that was in secret in Japan struck says she was never offered an abortion by the air force but she and other women knew. The option was implied in her brief. On the case Ginsburg also emphasized strucks Catholic faith other servicewomen. Were more free to make that choice than the captain was and Struck said that she would take her vacation time to recover from the pregnancy way less than what men got to recover from. All kinds of ailments could be a broken leg could also be drug addiction. Alcohol Abuse There was no automatic discharge for any of that in so pregnancy. Unlike other disabilities was grounds for immediate media discharge regardless of individual circumstances and mothers fathers were deemed unfit to serve and so this was to be a counter intuitive abortion rights case in which a white middle-class woman with an exemplary professional record was choosing birth in the Air Force's forces policy was.
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"To struck Susan Struck. It's not going to fall for this crap. I knew it was going to have to be court because already knew that the regulation said if you're pregnant you cannot be active duty. If you have a child you cannot be active duty. Eighty so struck kept her pregnancy. A secret on the base. She started writing letters to her siblings asking if they would adopt her baby. It would tear me up if I never knew what happened with author it would break my heart more so than it did anyway. If I was not able to have any kind of influence with her in her life and not doc give her love and not let her know that her real mother love her very very much to friends a married couple where the husband was also in the air force finally finally said yes. They'd adopt the baby. This is what I needed to do. I would have been a very very unhappy woman if I had been sent home and left the military and so it's going to work my way. 'cause I couldn't control the other crap with military regulations uh-huh but everything else I could control struck. Recognized this crossroad. Between Motherhood and a career her mother had enjoyed working for a real estate agency and the company. It was going to help her. Get A realtor's license. She got pregnant so she didn't get to do that anymore. You know we're talking about the forties and fifties and women distant work. If they you were pregnant or had kids. They were expected to be at home fixing supper. Struck had been transferred from small food cat base to Cameron Base in Vietnam on the South China. Sea It was a larger hospital closer to combat in so month after month. She altered her uniform. Patients made lewd jokes. There were rumors and and then one day the chief nurse asks her. Are you pregnant could laugh. How pregnant are you said? Seven and a half months. She knew pregnancy meant automatic discharge from in the military so she went to Jag officer a legal adviser on Bass who connected her the ACLU. He said well. How far are you really.
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"WNYC in New York this is on the media. Pop Garfield is out this week. I'm Clyde stone in March. The supreme aim court will hear a major case called June medical services versus key about Louisiana Law requiring doctors who perform abortions to have admitting meeting at a local hospital. The law would leave Louisiana with just one clinic three years ago. The court struck down in identical Texas law. Aw but that was before justices. Gorsuch and Kavanagh joined the bench. Now everything is different. It's not just Alabama Missouri Georgia Mississippi Ohio L. Kentucky and. They're all trying to go bubble up to the Supreme Court and Overturn Roe v Wade last spring nine state. Legislatures snuck in abortion bands of various lengths all now under appeal and just last month. Ohio lawmaker's introduced a bill requiring doctors to re implant and a topic pregnancy a medically impossible procedure or face murder charges. But we begin this week not with one urgent headline but with decades of accumulation. Good evening Kinda landmark ruling. The Supreme Court today legalized abortion is extraordinarily trough event. January twenty second nineteen seventy eight would be an historic day concern. We've been faced the problem. I turnberry a slow moving avalanche twenty years ago. Abortion may have seen the easy way out for a society reeling from the collapse of moral consensus yesterday. The Supreme Court said that Roe v Wade was still alive if substantially restricted Roe V. Wade wishing very bad decision Barbara. I think it was a bad decision. As Mike Pence has said for decades. I want into put Roe v Wade on the cheap of history and this is something I think will do a.