20 Episode results for "Gutty"
Gigantic Elephant Sweaters
"The. Hi, I'm calling your host for the good news podcasts. And I'm Neil. The other host. The good news podcast is your source for good news fund, stories auditory, delight and sonic joy. We're bringing you all of this goodness from beautiful downtown Chicago. The other day, I was surfing around Instagram, and I saw post from the happy broadcast some listeners might remember our interview with Morrow gutty, the creator of the happy broadcast something caught my eye. It was this really great illustration of an elephant wearing a sweater further investigation. Brought us to a really lovely story in the guardian way back in two thousand seventeen in northern India temperatures were dropping really low at night. So some of the women who live in a village near the wildlife SOS elephant conservation and care centre spent days knitting, very large sweaters for the elephants. So they can stay warm during those chilly nights the elephants at the conservation center. Are all rescues from not. So great situations. Some of them are blind or physically disabled in some way. So this wetter that these women were knitting for the elephants. This is not. I mean, let me try to describe the Steelers nurse. I'm talking like practical these really beautiful pieces of art. They're colorful, and they're huge because they have to fit the whole elephant. It's essentially a knit tapestry. Yeah. It is it's beautiful. And so the other thing that I love about what these ladies did was not only did they knit this sort of large sweater blanket that has to lay over the elephant. They also knitted leg warmers for the elephants legs, very cute. It's so cute and they're going to dance class. This story sorted touches, my heart because the you know, the other part of it is their lives had earlier been not so great. So now, they're in this conservation center in like, you wanna take even double extra special care of that? Because they had such a. A hard time when they first started out in life news, we little elis and love elephants Ellie. Well, I did do some digging because I know the stories from twenty seventeen the wildlife SOS elephant conservation and care centre is still fighting the good fight for our animal friends. If you wanna learn more about the organization, please visit their website at wildlife, SOS dot org. Not only do they support elephants. But there's a variety of other wildlife species that they also worked to help support. And they also have a lot of campaigns to help endangered areas in keep those protected so animals can actually stay in the wild. Thanks for listening. Do you have good news incredible? Or maybe wanna tell us a joke. Rijeka? Excellent Email us at Hello. At the good news, podcast dot F, M or leaves a voicemail at seven three two one seven zero one five six you can also tweet us at the good news pot and follow us on Instagram too. And if you love the good news podcasts think about supporting us on our Pitron page. Most of our music is by putting bear.
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Elephant Sweaters, Repeat
"Hi, I'm calling your host for the good news podcast and I'm neil the other host. The good news podcast is your source for good. News Fun Stories Auditory Delight and Sonic Joy. We're bringing you all of this goodness from beautiful downtown. Chicago the Other Day I was surfing around instagram and saw post from the happy broadcast. Some listeners might remember our interview with Morrow Gutty. The creator of the happy broadcast. Something caught my eye. It was this really great illustration of an elephant wearing a sweater further. Further investigation brought us to a really lovely story in the Guardian way back in two thousand, seventeen in northern India temperatures were dropping really low at night, so some of the women who live in a village near the Wildlife Sos Elephant Conservation and Care Centre spent days knitting very large sweaters for the elephants, so they can stay warm during those chilly nights. The elephants at the Conservation Center are all rescues from not so great situations. Some of them are blind or visually disabled in some way. So the sweaters that these women were knitting for the elephants. This is not I mean let me try to describe this to listeners I'm talking like practical. These really beautiful pieces of art. They're colorful and they're huge because they have to fit the whole elephant. It's essentially a knit tapestry. Yeah, it is, it's beautiful, and so the other thing that I love about what these ladies did was not only did they knit this sort of large sweater blanket that has to lay over the elephant. They also knitted leg warmers for the elephants. legs very cute. It's so cute. Dance Class, this story sort of touches my heart, because the you know, the other part of it is that their lives had earlier been. You know not so great so now. They're in this conservation air in like you WanNa. Take even double, extra special care of them. Because they had such a hard time when they first started out in life new sweet little Eli's. We know and love elephants well. I did do some digging because I know the stories from two thousand seventeen, the wildlife SOS, Elephant Conservation Care Center is still fighting the good fight for our animal friends. If you WANNA learn more about the organization, please visit their website at wildlife SOS dot, Org, not only do they support elephants, but there's a variety of other wildlife species that they also work to help support, and they also have a lot of campaigns to help endangered areas in keep those protected, so animals can actually stay in the wild. Thanks for listening. Do you have good news? Incredible or maybe WanNa tell us a joke or idea excellent. Email us at hello at the good news. PODCASTS DOT FM. Or lease voicemail at seven, seven, three, two, one, seven, zero, one, five six. You can also tweet us at the Good News Pot and follow us on Instagram to, and if you love the good news, podcasts think about supporting us on our petri on page must of our music is by Paddington bear.
Interview with Kirk Faubel (Watchdog Insurance Group)
"Welcome everybody to the Tony Marketing podcast. My name is Tony and I and your host for those of you that do not know who I am what I do I show home based business owners how to leverage technology to grow their business using the power of the Internet. This is episode eight. So coincidentally, we had two people on with insurance. So I am joined again by another insurance Rep with a company by the watchdog and Scher. His name is Kirk he is very knowledgeable. I've gotten to know a good friend of mine is a good referral partner. I'm excited to have this conversation with him because he's one of the first person one of the first people I've talked to about insurance. So kirker you around. I'm here. Awesome and welcome to the show. Thanks thanks out. Appreciate it. Yeah, man. So insurance, this is the thing everyone nobody wants to talk about For the most bar yet it's one of those things people by because someone told them they have to not because he necessarily want to. Yeah. So Kirk, why don't we start off by telling me a little bit about yourself? How'd you get into a little bit about your family things like that? A great question. So insurance is actually my second career. So I spent a over twenty three years managing big box, retail stores, anything from sales management to corporate training to running stores all the way up to corporate marketing management and handful years ago. Just Kinda got burned out on the hour is the weekends Every holiday is spent in the store and just really wanted to to focus on myself and at. Some, friends in the industry really seemed to to like it. My personal nature is I'm a very risk adverse person. So I'm very thoughtful before I take chances and sometimes it's good. Sometimes, it's bad but really good fit. The insurance were because it really allows you to kind of think about your clients and the possible risk they face and b. m. communicate to them about what those risks are and how they can protect themselves. Is a far as my family goes a father of four in the guy, quite the span of Gutty, a on Erin who's going to be twenty, five and He is an engineer just outside of Milwaukee Wisconsin he had his first baby last year. So my first grandson Sebastian got a twenty two year old daughter named Taylor who just graduated from Carthage College with an English. Degree, we're still working on hopefully finding some employment for got a son Bryson who is a sophomore at Missouri and t, and then we have a almost four year old little Spitfire Abby That's just a blast and just Roy love it. That's awesome. Man congratulations on the on the grandson. That's cool. Thank you. So. Yeah. You got a big nice big car insurance fell every once in. A couple of our. Own, so that helps a little bit us on while they got a good data point them in the right direction, right? Knowledgeable. So van. Why did you? Why did you get into insurance like I mean you went from from being a guy who did whatever I forgot what you did before but why now I mean just in the field of people or? A really. I found with insurance that. Kind of like we talked about the intro people buy it because they have to have it and someone tells them they have to have it years. Here's what you have but I find out people really don't understand what they're purchasing why they're purchasing at how the different coverages protect them and going back to my corporate training days also went to school to be a teacher initially Alaba I love. The teaching side. So the most joy I get out on the job is sitting down with people understanding what their needs are, what they're trying to protect in really helping them understand how these specific coverages are going to help their family on their worst day. In the claim, it's off time one of the worst days of your life especially with something significantly fire a bad car accident. So Really wanted to find something that They had more flexibility than my my retail. I believe strongly in giving back to my community. So I spent a Lotta time volunteering a lot of in the local chamber and was really important to find something where I could make a living, but also had an opportunity to to give back to my community. So kind of the combination of all those things are really led me to where I where I am owning my own business and having a flexibility to to to be able to do all those things of helping protect themselves but also making my community a stronger place. Yeah. How long have you been an insurance agent Kirk about three years. Awhile, three I thought it was longer. Yeah. Yeah. So I know you're with watchdog insurance after one of they liked work for us is I know criticize he pretty good guys. He pretty good boss does he? it's kind of unique situation some independent insurance agent in A I run my own business my own agency under under the watchdog umbrella. So watchdog is more more or less a platform so the crater aggressive basically set out and he did all the contracts with the carriers and it allows me and several other agents like myself across the Midwest Pool together and be able to build books of business with each individual carrier quicker in balance out those books as well. So if you try to do this in your own, every carrier has expectations hey, you need to do this many quotes month yet need to put this much business with US IN S. was feasible because you find yourself trying to. Potentially shove clients in a box of they don't necessarily fit in when you're trying to hit those numbers. So by pulling together with a group like watchdog. All of us are GONNA have clients at fit in each box, and we can all build that business together in a book of business to keep the carriers. Happy. Allow us to really really take great care of our clients as well. You're also able to get more of a bigger reach vote soup is you can shop with multiple companies from what I understand. Correct. Yeah. That's just on a personal lines alone I have nine nine different carriers shop from so For most people I I've got a place. WE'RE GONNA fit coverage wise and also price. So most time went out when you get a quote and you get those nine different prices, are they pretty different? Do People have some options to think about? The it can be substantially different from person to person because depending where the person lives, how big their houses credit score is a factor as well. Every insurance company has their appetite for risk some like home some like a brand new construction, some like more moderate price houses as carriers specifically shoot for. The real high end homes out there and when I started an industry as a captive agent you find out pretty quickly that kind of what your your appetite is. You find out that you really don't have the means to really help a broad range of of potential clients out there by so having all these different carriers you find out that okay. This this company is pretty good with newer construction some feeling pretty good about quitting them there this older construction this one's really really great with teenage drivers if you have teen drivers. So the way that it works as we actually have a software and IT's part of my licensing agreements, call the reiter software. It sends some basic information out to all nine barriers and Once you input that information that software gives you a ballpark idea of WHO's going to be good for that particular customer, and then from there you kinda would lead down and maybe only quote with two or three depending how close they are. So sometimes, yes slam dunk were home and auto both great, and another time to say, well, company is really good in home but not as good. An auto company is really good in the auto not quite as good at home see find yourself running full quotes is sometimes two or three companies to really find that package, and then from there to you might run into some scenarios where a customer has a A strong preference for a certain type of coverage at maybe only one or two carriers offer. So pretty common one got a client that is purchasing a tesla this year. And Tesla's can be very expensive to ensure because the parts are very very limited. You can only get from certain areas or if you've of another high entirely made an audio Mercedes something along those lines, you may not want aftermarket parts those. So up on my carriers offer something called Oem parts were any repairs are going to be done with manufactured parts from the original manufacturer enough from some third party company or even potentially from a junk yard. So you gotta take all those things in a consideration, not just the price, but also the coverages that are available based each finds desire. Yeah. I talked a lot about those with Sherry, the other insurance agent today and you know a quote is just it's so much more than just a quoted so much more than just a number. It really is a lot of like love if you will put into it to find that perfect for that particular client. Absolutely. So I love it man. So, why would somebody like go to and agent and agent as close just calling one hundred insurance I think the biggest thing I like to joke around with folks that you know someone that may hundred number is not going to know how to pronounce the Pair Ora Belle Fountain or anything along those lines to me. It's really important to have someone who knows the area. worry where you live and where you're. Driving your cars. So for instance, in our area, wind inhaled damage is the most common clean out there. So when someone's choosing a deductible for wind and Hail Had A client on Friday that I worked with. The had a competitive quote from area and online eight, hundred dealer that eight hundred, nine spit out of one percent quote deductible for her and her house dwelling value is valued at six hundred seventy nine thousand dollars that meant a seven thousand dollar deductible for her roof if something happened due to winter, Hale and I I question is okay. So if you've. Got a hailstorm tomorrow and destroyed your roof are you comfortable cutting a seven thousand dollar check will know okay. Then we need to address that. So that's why you talk to me also with all the rain over the weekend of a significant amount of people that have had a water back issues either from sewer or from some pumps failed were just overwhelmed water and sewer backups our second most common claiming area. I know that someone on eight hundred number doesn't know that and I value long term relationships with my clients someone at a eight hundred number words maybe a temporary stop in their career path is going to have the same care concern that I do. Right so Margaret personalized experience. Absolutely I love it. So I had a customer, a computer and he was like listen can you guys work on computers? We sledding because of the storm and he lost I think what I think is a lot of data do cover computers, electronics, and things like that. Like is that a thing or that goes back to to some Of the questions about coverages and different coverages, available many carriers are offering some unique coverage is now that can protect a things like data loss, but typically on a normal policy, the computer hardware if it's damaged would be covered, but not necessarily things like data recovery in less it's a commercial policy commercial policies. Now, typically will offer some level of included an optional coverages for For data loss that would include paying someone to recover those but personal lines unless you add some specific coverage for that, typically wouldn't include that. Yeah I would I would encourage everyone listening to us if coming from a computer guy anyways, if you lose data, it's it's devastating. So if you need or thinking about commercial insurance, I would definitely reach out to somebody regarding. Absolutely So Kirkman why I mean, how often should someone actually shop their insurance like by your good for five years or? I would say every couple years at the longest just because things change dramatically quick If you've talked to any real estate agents recently you know the market is kind of crazy and prices are going low in. It's not just the price of the home is the price of labor. If you talk to contractors, they're having to pay significantly more than they had in the past because it's a very, very tight labor market for the skilled positions so that that's not can change really rapidly and if you're not properly evaluating your insurance coverage. On that worst day your life when the House has a fire, you could find yourself coming up really short if you haven't got someone avail evaluate that the other thing. Again, the reason why I'm an independent agent now and now the gap megyn anymore is. Carriers change their philosophies very quickly. Especially, some of the biggest companies have really value market share and they really WanNa, get market share the way that they do that is they lower price even if that means, they take a loss for a of time. So that's part of my job is to work with my clients and if them with carrier a six year because they're being really aggressive and they really want to grow their market share and in the states that cover and then two years from now company be taken same position that has better rates. I can flip that person over to a different carrier that's going to be good for them coverage wise and pricewise. Awesome. So. What would be the most common misconception about insurance? I mean. Again, this is one of those conversations people don't WANNA ask because they're scared or they're just not educated or what talked me about that. Part of it. I think the industry greats itself in a really good question Tony when you watch TV and you see insurance commercials, what are you here? Get a quote. They're talking about price, right? So let's say this amount of money saved this percents prices are lowered in everybody's but the reality is you WanNa, get the best value on your insurance. You want to be able to get the best coverage. That's right for you. At the lowest possible price that coverage you're not just shooting to have the lowest possible price because again I could really leave you short If an accident happens if something happens at your home or your business, there's times in clients will thank me for getting them to spend more money because it's got the coverage that they wanted nobody pointed out. Those those other options that were available like that data loss recovery. In the commercial world, it's something called EPLA which employment liability practices around for termination harassment things along those lines. Those are coverages at cost extra money, but they can literally save a business thousands and thousands of dollars in the long run if they've got that coverage. Conception I would say to is This is kind of a tough one for a lot of people to grasp. But insurance is probably one of the most highly regulated industries and our country. Every insurance carrier has to report to their state that they do business. In every rate, increase Every coverage chains every edition of a new coverage, any dropping of the coverage has to be evaluated by the state so There's not a whole lot of insurance companies energised out there trying to rip people off in the denied claims it's extremely highly regulated, and in many cases when there's a some frustration, it's Someone didn't explain what the coverage is were meow just declined didn't understand necessarily what the coverages were, which again is why someone you come the someone like me is GonNa, make sure their client is getting the information you need. That when they call one, eight, hundred number, they go through twelve different prompts discount there to pick up when they need it. Yeah. Yeah. So what is the best thing Kirk that you love about being an insurance agent? Like what? What's what? Just there's? There's a reason why you love doing what's that? and. Really Think truly helping people AH at a client last year who just purchased a new home moved in and they had someone fall on their property and they called me and We're able to kind of walk through what to do in. Relief that don't worry. This is why we did this particular coverage free. If the person happy get hurt it's going to be awful I understand you feel really bad. But that's why we took the steps that we did. That's why he did that umbrella coverage on your property in case, something would happen. So just really Having an insurance claim as a really time in in people's life. Nobody's happy about ten damage to their car. Nobody's happy about having to to pump out their their basement with just able to create that. Sigh of relief that Hey, don't worry I've got this covered for you. I've got your back. And then the other part for me again is the the flexibility. The career provides for me to to really give back. To my local community. I love him. So. If I wanted to company insurance agent at watchdog insured, what would kind of advice? Would you give me man I mean going into it? I knew nothing about personally. But what kind of advice would you give somebody? I would give anyone coming into it as. There's a million insurance agents out there lots of different people you can choose from lots of different carriers, but there's plenty of business to go around. To me, it's really fight be you and find out what your niche is going to be if you love pets focus on an Adams. If you love working with families with young kids, you know, make that your focus, go out and try to to focus on those people that you really enjoy working with if you're selling commercial which Marshall as well. start with the other businesses that you love Sophia love restaurants and you love to eat. Take some time learn what the coverages are, where the pitfalls are for business owners that own restaurants. Become become an expert on it and in focus on those, and then you can kinda slowly Navigate your way out from it but do do what your passion about anything that's whether your insurance or or any field for that matter. Yeah and remember always build relationships with people. Yeah. So Kirk. What's the most challenging thing about selling insurance? when you start off, it's it's pretty pretty slim pickens. You don't make a lot of money for policy you have to to sell a lot of policies start making a good living. So you have to have a plan in place in the a good budget and now extravagant. made upfront if you do, it might not be the best oriented. And just is really difficult to in many cases to overcome some of those those common misconceptions and it's just about price or all insurances the saying or so and so said I should do this. Really getting people spend enough time to To understand what they're purchasing and and really take it seriously your home is the most expensive thing ever GonNa Burgess if you own a business that's probably up there as well your auto is the second most in most expensive thing that you're ever going to purchase. So it's important to really protect those things and if you WanNa be a financially secure individual and you want to invest The foundation of any financial plan is having good insurance that's going to protect you. So just a just getting people to take it seriously, and by because it's a protection mechanism. Not because the car dealer told they had to buy it. So, if someone's thinking this and they're just not ready to buy or you know stuff like that, are you open to giving them like consultations as avid a conversation to see where they are with Ed? I can't win every customer even with nine carriers. You're still some some situations out there where I don't find the right coverage of the right price for that particular individual. Again, I really enjoyed the teaching side of it I have friends that live on the states that I went to high school with that will call me and say, Hey, I, trust you I need. Your opinion on this and do I WANNA get paid for my work of course I. Do we all do but I really enjoy that that helpful side of events. So if you have any questions always reach out me, all of my consultations are are free of charge I'll do a free review in if I do enough of those reviews I'm GonNa win enough of those customers over. To to make a good living doing this but that's where it all starts from me is providing that service and helping them understand what they're purchasing it and disallow noth they're good spot and. Coal. So who is an ideal referral partner free? most of my business for the most part comes real estate agents and mortgage originators I love to take that that task the way I love on construction. So anytime, he gets to work with a customer buying a new home I love to go online look at picture. So any of those professions are standing financial planners as well are great. Again, the insurance protection is really the backbone of their plan to to make sure that money's air when they want. WanNa use it. So those are probably my three biggest referral partners are the real estate agents, mortgage originators, financial planners. and. Try to keep in mind Lavar Kurt this has been insanely educational. Perfect lifer sheets you have me on your man So if anyone wants to contact you for consultation quote, do you have a website or a phone number email they can show. Best bad got a couple of different ways very active on facebook. So you can message me through there, which is just the ECKER FOB agency of a watchdog Insurance Group my cell phone number. I, got with me all the time with six, one, eight, three, six, three, five, two, seven, two, or might you address have that with me twenty hours a as well which is Kirk K. I R. K. Dot Foul Athletic Franks a you be like boy E. L. at watchdog insurer. Dot Com. Yeah I would encourage everyone if you haven't gone over your insurance got especially now with the corona virus and everything going on now might be a good time to reach out to somebody and say hello and see if you've got the correct coverage because there's a lot going on in twenty twenty absolutely I got the wind blowing over here right now I, you know the Royston and never a you never know man we you don't know what you don't know until you know absolutely kirk thank you so much for being on I. appreciate it Kirk Fable Foul pronouncing. Got It. Right. The second time I know I was old episode I was like I wonder if his name. With Chris. Kirk. Kirk thank you so much for being on it. We appreciate it. We'll keep you a minor it. Thanks for having me. Tony. All right. Thank. You do.
All In America: Live at the Border
"The president of the United States is going to declare a national emergency on our southern border. But I have to tell you it doesn't look like an emergency for where on sanding. I'm Tom Lee park here in El Paso, Texas. Overlooking the city of Juarez Mexico Aurora will be with me and a few minutes as we bring you a special edition of all in tonight covering all two thousand miles of our southern border. We keep talking about. This were like, it's one thing. It gets one place. Like, it's a national crisis. Hey, tremendous prices at the border, the US southern border with Mexico is two thousand miles a civic ocean would the Gulf of Mexico desert mountains, farmland cities concrete scrub grass and a lot of sand and one long river. How exactly to build a wall this to truly comprehend the mortar, and then you've got to see it in all of its facets, the terrain the communities the people on both sides the reality. Now, do you ever run into these? What's your message to the president about this section eight hundred kids across the border every single day? Just those Louis. His hat on your child. You look over here Americans crossing over to Mexico tonight in one hour. We'll take you all one thousand nine hundred and thirty three miles mission, Texas to San Diego, California. This is all in America live at the border. Good evening from El Paso, Texas. I'm Chris as I'm standing here at the site of what the president intends to legally and formerly declare a national emergency. According to White House official if the house passes a Bill to avoid a second shutdown tonight funding, the government President Trump will sign the Bill in the morning that he will declare a national emergency that he will leave for weekend tomorrow Lago after declaring a national emergency. Our correspondents have covered every single mile southern border to tell you what is actually happening here in this place. The president has turned into a national symbol of Trumpism Cal is near the eastern end of the border in San Benito, Texas, Mariana ten CIO is across the border in Pia that us Mexico. Jacob sober off is with us in El Paso at the border crossing Tremaine lease an antelope. Wells, New Mexico, Oregon Radford is in Nogales Arizona and got Schwartz the western into the border in San Diego, California. The nine thousand nine hundred thirty three miles southern border is a vast expanse of desert and mountain. And farmland that is nearly the size of the eastern seaboard is geographically and economically diverse area. The president is now saying though totality of which is an emergency. There are challenges across the region to be sure, but there is no invasion. And in fact, by any conceivable metric, it is very hard to look the actual data and conclude there is some unprecedented disaster or two crossings a decrease dramatically over the last twenty years as all this on fold today. We've in the city of El Paso, Texas, right across from the border with Juarez, we have correspondents all along that US Mexico border where Donald Trump is preparing to declare a national emergency. They have driven across the nearly two thousand miles of southern border over the last few days to see what is really happening here. We begin our series of reports tonight with NBC news reporter Cal Perry who joins us live from along the eastern, Texas, Mexico border in San Benito Cal. Chris the debate over the border and a wall may seem like politics in Washington DC, but out here in Texas. It's a way of life. The border between Texas and Mexico stretches for twelve hundred miles from bustling cities to tiny towns over mountains and along the Rio Grande through ranch land in desert scrub from the heart of the country all the way to the Gulf. We drove the entire length of the border starting in the city of El Paso, forty miles outside of town as the terrain turns to desert the border wall ends just past tornado the temporary detention facility set up to house thousands of migrant children the gap lasts until he reached the Malloy Rogers family ranch in fort Hancock. What's your message to the president about this section right here? Calmed down and finish the wall. Near the small town of Candelaria. We're less than one hundred people live migrants improvise ways to cross the border twenty year old Henry Hernandez began his journey in Guatemala. One. We'll command. Ep. The border between Mexico and the US follows the Rio Grande southeast here. The landscape takes over you come here to Big Ben state park. The most rural part of the state and you understand immediately. Why those ports of entry are used so often the natural barrier. Here makes it virtually impossible to cross which is why a wall here would be completely impractical leaving big bend the road takes us north while the border winds along the river through beautiful unpopulated wilderness. We're in central Texas now on the eastern side of those parks, a return to civilization, and so a return of the wall this is del Rio. Texas, you can see the wall picking back up here for the obvious reason. It's possible for people to cross here beyond the border town of eagle pass the wall becomes a small fence and the elements can be hostile. There are no paved roads close to the border in this part of Texas between eagle pass Laredo. So if you decide to cross you're definitely taking your life in your hands. No cell towers, no power lines, nothing which is. Why people leave? These giant blue buckets out there filled with water is about a case left in this one new sections of the wall are being planned in the Rio Grande valley and could eventually threaten the national butterfly center. Despite a recent reprieve, this is a remnant of native habitat set aside for conservation. And it's all going to be destroyed. What will happen to the national butterfly center? This wall goes in. Well, it will look like a prison yard for one which is never good for ego tourism, and we could lose access to seventy percent of our property that will be south of the border wall. Faraway border patrol are out in force around mcallen, picking up large groups of people the vast majority of which are families agents can actually see what's happening on the Mexican side of the river. Right here motioning to they're wanting us to leave so they can cross more bodies. So they're motioning for you to go away. They're not as scared of anything right now, you can see the rafts down here. What they're using across people. They want me to leave says they don't have to worry about their smuggler their guide getting caught the final stretch of wool ends near Brownsville, Texas, but the border between the two countries stretches further to the east some thirteen miles through marshland until reaching the Gulf of Mexico. Chris the giant sections of wall. You see behind me that money was only appropriated in two thousand six those pieces went in in two thousand nine the gap behind me. We'll be filled by gate later this year. So from start to finish the sexual behind me took ten years to complete. Cal. I I guess the first question for you is having gone along the entire edge of this border in Texas. What do you think of it being an emergency? There's no state of emergency. Certainly not for the people who live in south, Texas. What is an emergency? Our humanitarian situations in individual places, for example, the central processing center for the Rio Grande valley fifteen hundred people are packed in there. It is at capacity so customs and border protection is doing what they can. It's a facility that Jacob Sobhraj visited about four months ago. There are still children in cages in that facility. The cages are meant to hold maybe fifteen people. There are thirty people jammed in there shoulder to shoulder we saw young girls crying and praying and shaking a very difficult situation a situation exacerbated by the policies of Donald Trump. We asked an official from customs and border protection inside that facility. What they needed one of the first things he said, Chris were judges just an indication that it's not just a wall that needs to be here. All right. Cal perry. Thanks for being with me. I want to turn now to MSNBC correspondent Mariana attend CO who's about four hundred miles south east of me. She's in Mexico. There's an aggressive just across the border from the Texas town of eagle pass Marianna ten zero. Thanks for being with me. Good evening, Chris. The Trump administration has made it more difficult for migrants to be able to apply for asylum at the US border. Instead the administration reached an agreement with Mexico to keep these asylum-seekers south of the border. It's a policy known as metering. So we traveled to these two border towns sister cities, so close to one another you could see them on the other side and the president's policy, and it's a fact on everyone. We spoke to was loud and clear. Eagle pass Texas, a quiet unassuming place population thirty thousand but the voices residents here or being drowned out by more than twenty one hundred law enforcement agents, people won't say nothing because they're scared of what will be done to them. The reason for the extra security lies just across the Rio Grande river in the Mexican city of Beit at us negatives now forced into an immigrant showdown with its Texas twin? All this law enforcement presence. What is the message that is sending the message? Ultimately that sending to these people is that you're not going to be able to cross illegally. You're not going to be able to cross in any way shape or fat's necessary to have this display this at this level. No, we crossed the border. And this is what we found the atmosphere. Here is very tense. You have the Mexican federales. Also, the Mexican army the Red Cross the local migration institute also rounding this shelter behind me some eighteen hundred migrants mostly from Honduras who arrived via caravan just over a week ago. Now being kept by Mexican authorities in what used to be a factory among them. We met lowered. How would you describe this place? On my son. Oh my God. Being James who told only a couple of eight groups are allowed inside. And so far few migrants are allowed out that desperation hit a break on Wednesday. Mexican authorities are getting ready to almost two hundred migrants. Getting on this. Other states in Mexico. The only reason these folks are being allowed to do that is because they've secured humanitarian visas if they don't have humanitarian visas migrants are not allowed to leave the shelter once obtained they are escorted in small numbers daily to the US border to file their asylum. Claim a process that could take months or longer leaving two houses of migrants waiting indefinitely. What kind of impact has this had on your child? Mexican officials say they are doing everything they can do and soon. Legally in peace and hang in good relationship, and so many others here. This is home for now. But she plays not for long. I lived up equal and being just has that they'll be able to to get to the US. Maria. These and these families go ahead. I just wanted to ask. I mean, the the shelter seniors showed basically, it seems whether it's a tacit or explicit deal. It's been struck between the us and Mexican government for the Mexican government essentially warehouse people while this sort of metering policies affect the border. Those folks are essentially in a kind of stateless limbo. Is that right? Many of the families told me they feel like they're in prison, Chris, and that is what is new here. Metering is not new, but this response from Mexico from the state of what we let in this case keeping these families these mothers behind this fence here. I mean, just look at where I'm standing. Now, they're guarded twenty four seven by Mexican federal he's this is new, and it is a direct response to what is happening on the other side to the fact that CB P along this bridge can only take twelve to twenty people per day. And we're talking about almost two thousand here whose main objective was to turn themselves in Puerto entry to seek asylum. So these families are essentially caught in the middle of this border battle between these two cities. And I have to say Chris just being here on the ground for forty eight hours. This I think is the epicenter of this border debate right now, the city in Mexico, Chris. Mariana tents. Thank you so much for bringing us that from the Mexican side of this border. Jacob sober off is here on the border and El Paso, where for many people crossing back and forth to and from Mexico. Just part of an ordinary day. That's right. Chris spot on. And I think we get so lost so often in our conversation about both sides of the border is the interconnectedness of both sides. The president was down here on Monday painting. This picture of this incredibly dangerous city cdot words, which certainly is one of the most dangerous cities in Mexico protected by a border wall. That was put up some time ago the resins pass away, she's eight protected by a border wall. But the reality is the people that live in El Paso, or the people that live in words that the same people one hundred thousand people commute back and forth every single day to go to work to go to school and the way the president talks about this is completely foreign to them. In fact, right now all these people that are walking behind me are walking back into Mexico from spending a day inside of El Paso. We have to remember that. Oh pass away. His spill that this proportionate impact of the president's aggressive deterrence policies. This is the first place that the president put into place a pilot program brassiere, oh tolerance, the two children that died out in the desert didn't die. No passage just over the border line in. New Mexico died in the L Paso sector. So when you hear the president talk about a national emergency for the people that live and work on both sides of this border and traverse it every single day. It's a completely foreign idea to them one that just isn't based on the realities on the ground here. And this is this is what it looks like walking back and forth. All right. Thank you for that. Jacob Ryan and talk to you a little bit later about all the reporting you've been doing over the last several years on this. Joining me now from Washington DC is congressman Henry quasar of Texas is twenty eighth congressional district. Runs along the border from calendar. North of Laredo, congressman you're on that conference committee that struck the deal that appears like it's going to be signed. But what is your reaction the president's announced intend to declare a national emergency. I disagree with the president because his vision of the border. All he says is a crisis that he's dead wrong for us that live on the border. We see the border as a place to race. Our families grow businesses. It's a place of community and opportunity if you wanna look at violence, for example, the according to the FBI the crime rate that national crime rate, for example, murders, it's five point three murders per one hundred thousand the border crime rate is a lot lower, and I can pick different cities at I'll pick my hope. Tom Laredo, you compare it to Washington DC where I'm at right now. It's more dangerous here in Washington like two or three or four times more dangerous here. So the crisis is not at the border. Sometimes I think it's in governance dealing with our president without due respect to him. What do you? Imagine are the next steps for Democrats and for others at the president does attempt to invoke this legal authority, which many observers think is of dubious constitutionality. Certainly dubious think supreme court has already talked about when president can take declared emergency. I think any rational any reasonable judge. Should I say, we'll look at this and say if those an emergency, maybe he should've called it months and months ago, but he keeps waiting and try to use that as leverage he did not get his five point seven billion dollars on that wall that he wanted, you know, he didn't even get that close. So not he wants to use that because he's obsessed putting this fourteenth century solution. Call a wall, which is just totally ineffective to what he wants to accomplish. What do you think the president would be? I want to read this concerns from Susan Collins, Republican the Senate who says this declaring a national emergency for this purpose would be a mistake on the part of the president. I don't believe the national -mergency act contemplates, a president unilaterally real allocating, billions of dollars already designated for specific purposes outside of the normal proprio process. What do you think the president is here for your you and the role of congress as a Coequal branch should the president do this? We'll you know. You know, the senators. Absolutely, right. I'm full agreement with her as an appropriate. We work on over year. We have hearings we have testimony. And then we decide very bike camera. Very bipartisan way to put the appropriation Bill. So we decided what goes into certain accounts, and then the president wants to come in by himself and change everything that congress did that just doesn't make sense. He's again, he's just obsessed with this fourteenth century solution. Call the wall. Is the reason that the money wasn't there? The five point seven million dollars the compromise. That was that was hammered out between you and others Republican and democrat is it just not necessary is that your possession. We look we want to have sensible border security, where we balanced trade tourism with border security again, I live on the border. I know what the border is. I don't just go in for a few minutes and say, I know the border better. So it's based on if you wanna stop drugs, keep in mind, the DA. The customer border protection say that most drugs will come through ports of entry. So you build a wall. It doesn't stop the drugs coming into our ports. And you gotta be smart focus on the ports of entry technology, canine personnel. Now, if you want to stop people coming in keep this in mind, keep in mind that the that in two thousand one two thousand border patrol apprehended one point six million individuals. What did they prohibit in the southern border last year three hundred three thousand individuals? And if you want to look at the most of the people that are here sixty seven percent of here, he legally came through legal visa permit. So you put a wall what's going to happen? They're going to fly with drive through a bridge. And keep it my word. I'll do respect to our neighbors. Most most over visa overstays are Canadians. So maybe we're looking at the wrong order. Congressman Henry clay are of Texas whose district as long were. Thank you for making a little time tonight. This week began with the president coming here to pass oh to whip up support for his border wall. But he was met by a counter rally led by former congressman rising democratic star and possible twenty twenty candidate bits or Rourke apostle is a rooks hometown. I talked about an hour ago right after we learned the president was declaring a national emergency. So obviously, the big news today is the president is going to sign the border appropriation or the DJ's probation and also declare some unspecified national -mergency. What do you think of that? It's hard to make a rational case for an emergency declaration or troops on the border or any amount of additional border walls or border fencing or steel slats, even if it's not five and a half billion, even if it's only one and a quarter, the border has never been as safe and secure as it is now, and as many people now know El paso's been a assists safe city, one of the safes in the US for the last twenty years prior to having a wall posts having well, in fact, a little less safe after we had a wall. And we're not an outlier is safe. San Diego is safe. The border cities are safer than the average city in the interior. There's there's no rational reason to do, you know, it's funny because I've been interviewing you for years about precisely this, and you would always come on and say L passes one of the cities in America right on the border. And it was interesting to watch the president basically take that in turn that against El Paso, right? Right. So that until for a while, it was the borders, really scary. And then it was no it is Israel. Safe. And it's because of the wall there's part of back there. Right. And you think that's not true. No. I know it's not true. So you look at FBI crime data and you see twenty years going L passes, the safest or the second or the third safest in the United States bar. None we build a wall in two thousand eight after the two thousand six secure fence act voted for by Republicans and Democrats alike, and El paso's safety, actually drops the the crime rate actually increases after that. I don't know if it's correlated when it can tell you is the wall did not make us any before the war. I mean, this is the thing. I think it's really on their heads around for the wall. There wasn't a one like you could just wanted to like this stretch right here. They could come across. But it was not like the city of El Paso is under some perpetual, invasion. It was not. And I think a really important thing to remember is that we've always had some level of migration from Mexico into an extent Central America. Most of it from people. Getting to work jobs here in this country. That no one else would do legally under the Rosetto program. Our immigration laws are amended nineteen sixty five to end that program and essentially the same number of people still keep coming to work only. Now, they're undocumented today. The lowest levels of northbound apprehension in my lifetime. I'm forty six years old and those who are coming are turning themselves in they're not coming for work. They're coming to flee the most violent countries on the planet today, very often with their little kids or little kids without their parents, no walls going to keep that out, nor should it. We have asylum laws that we must follow international obligations to which we must adhere and a sense of moral purpose that I think we should be able to live up to the walls not going to solve any of you were you were gonna rally on Monday night, you're at a rally Monday night organized by community here when the president came to town. What was the kind of what's the message there for people that are looking at this in Kenosha or Detroit New Jersey, Oregon what what is the message? It was. So powerful so profoundly positive. There was no anger. There was no resentment nothing negative about. It was a celebration of what makes Passos special the fact that we're one of the safest cities in America, not in spite of, but because we are a city of immigrants a quarter of those who live here were born in another country. Their very presence makes us safer more successful stronger. More secure, you make communities you make the state of Texas you make by extension the country, a safer place by treating people with dignity and respect not militarizing communities. Not adding even more to the twenty billion dollars a year that we're spending on border security. You make sure that our laws match our values. Our interests are experience here. So I think El Paso help to set the example for the country on Monday night. I want to pass along a question from a congressman did not represent the border. But he is in Texas, Dan Crenshaw who's a new member of congress. He's been very outspoken in favor of the president's agenda on the border, particularly right? And he wanted to ask him between this asthma too long. It's. Some rocky didn't text me would you? If you could would you take the wall down now here. Yes. Like, you have a wall back salutes knocking down take the wall. You think the city you think there's a referendum here in this city. That would I do here's what we know after the secure fence act. We have built six hundred miles of wall and fencing on a two thousand mile border. What that has done is not an any demonstrable way made us safer. It's cost us tens of billions of dollars to build and maintain and it is pushed migrants and asylum seekers and refugees to the most inhospitable the most hostile stretches of the US Mexico border ensuring they're suffering and death more than four thousand human beings. Little kids women and children have died. They're not in cages and not lucked up. They're not separated their dead over the last ten years as we have walled off their opportunity to legally petition for a silent across in urban centers, like El Paso to be with family to work jobs to do what any human. N- being should have a right to be able to do what we would do with faced with the same circumstances. They were when I'm hearing from you is something bolder or in some ways more ambitious than just we shouldn't belong. And it sounds like you're saying the the kinds of ways we treated the border, starting Beasley post on eleven two thousand six CB workforce has gone up spending has gone up miles of fencing has gone up. You're saying you don't think any of that has been good for the country. It's perverse. The response that we have to legitimate concerns and problems international terrorism, which was orchestrated in Afghanistan by all Qaeda carried out by people from Saudi Arabia. We punish people from Mexico at the US Mexico border deport in one year alone, four hundred thousand Mexican nationals from this country from a response to nine eleven we wall off six hundred miles of the US Mexico border precisely zero terrorists or terrorist organizations have ever used the border to attack a single American. So so we do this. Whether it is the war on terror the war on drugs. We project our fears and anxieties to places like El Paso to the US Mexico border and punish the people who live here. There's no there's no reason to do that. But it is the fear and the anxiety that has stoked by people who should and frankly do know better that results in these policies page work who is now a private citizen three. That's right. Valentine's Day plans. Thank you. We do. All right. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks. Much more to come tonight live from our special report from the southern border of the site of what the president calls a national emergency next. We travel the border west from Texas into New Mexico. We're mainly has traversed. The boot heel for the west Arezzo. We're Morgan Radford reports on the lives lost in the desert all the way to California. We got Schwartz falls the border wall in the dunes. And we're Trump's prototypes have already failed the test. All that is all in America live at the border rolls on. We are live at the border in El Paso, Texas border with Mexico is just behind me. The state line is just a few miles to the west of here on the other side is New Mexico a state with just three border crossings over hundred miles of wall and fencing along the border New Mexico's border region is almost all desert, which is why until fairly recently. It was a place where few people tried to cross legally our reporters are fanned out all across the border and Tremaine Lee has spent the last few days in New Mexico traversing the state's southern edge. He joins us live tonight from antelope wells, New Mexico Tremaine. Chris is really hard to overstate just how remote in isolated this region of the state really is which makes for an incredibly dangerous and arduous journey. If you're trying to cross into the United States from the southern border, but we began our journey just west of you in a town called Sunland park, where the mayor there is more interested in building partnerships, then walls. The southern border of New Mexico is one of the most sparsely populated parts of the country. It stretches across roughly two hundred miles of rugged terrain and barren desert making it hard to tell where the US ends in Mexico begins. Park is actually at the point where both the state of Texas New Mexico meat. But also with the say that you well, which is the, you know, in Mexico, it's one region with one when culture here because you know, I have families that live here in the city of someone park during the week and on the weekends. They go back home to visit their mom their parents their ants in Mexico, sixty five miles west in the village of Columbus, people, not only cross the border on the weekends. But every weekday some eight hundred children carrying their passports attend school here. They are US citizens. Many of their parents are not close to seventy percent of our kids do cross every day. But once they're here where it's level playing field as everyone else because we have the same expectations may seem complicated because there's that that actual barrier. But it's simple. You hear educate kids. We want our children to go to college. We want our children to have those opportunities because we want them to not live off of government entities. We want them to be successful people who. Who can who can contribute back to the tax base and live in the country and be productive for people who don't live anywhere near the border. And it just tuned into the news. It feels like there's this big crisis or chaos, but boy find here is a community filled with love negatively, infiltrate your school. And I don't we don't allow that here. So anything negative. We do our best to keep it outside. And we come in here, and we embrace the the kids and create our own culture in a Duggal county, the border takes a sharp drop to the south vast. Frontier known as the boot heel branches here, see the migrants crossing their land or bad neighbors. We've had him bunking out in our Barnes. You don't know if you're being hit in the head. So all you protect yourself. We have to carry re have to carry guns. I mean, that's just plain and simple. What does that feel like they have to think about it? It's own easy. No nai. I don't wanna shoot anymore, and I don't want to put anyone in harm's way. But if push comes to shove, then my family's first we have six deputies and share out here, and they patrol thirty five hundred square miles. Of the three points of entry and New Mexico. The far-flung antelope wells station is where officials say there's been an uptick of migrants crossing in large numbers nearby. The unforgiving open space heading west is increasingly hard to monitor. We're here in Cloverdale about as far west as you can go into Mexico in that direction is Arizona just a few miles to the south over there as Mexico, but I want to tell you something Cloverdale is actually the last outpost in the state. It's so remote, so isolated. And there's this one building left standing. Tremain e you did a great job of showing how remote it is there. And we have heard from both your reporting and CB officially more migrants crossing there despite how unforgiving the train is why what is driving that. We hear a lot about that's our metering which means the government is basically controls. How many migrants can apply for asylum each day? So if you don't get through one day, you have to turn around and come back another day migrants know that so instead of going to the busier ports of entry. They come to dangerous stretches of this vast wide open landscape that you see here Enloe wells. We're temperatures dipped to the single digits at night. It's long is dangerous. And they're finding themselves one. You know, it could be a dangerous journey but also crossing the ranch land. And as you heard that young lady mentioned Cami Moore said that folks are scared, so they're arming themselves. So they're coming to these remote outposts because they feel they have a better chance of getting this way. Then one of the more busy ports. Right. All right, Tremaine Lee, there an animal wells, New Mexico. Thank you for that. Great report. Joining me now from New Mexico's capital city Santa Fe as the state's new governor, Michelle Luhan Grisham, she's the first democratic Latino governor in the country. She pulled most of her state's national guard troops from the border the same day. The president. He gave his state of the union address. Let me start with that decision. Why did you pull the national guard troops from the border governor? Well, Chris says you've been doing in this segment, I visited the border many times and right after I was elected. I in fact, went right to Sunland park and was participating in looking and reviewing and asking questions of our national guard and the border patrol agents, and there's no emergency. And frankly, they could not justify the presence of the national guard in terms of national security issue. So that that we have so many things that we need to be doing. And in fact, the federal government is not meeting its responsibility in 'immigration issues in any stretch of the imagination. I made that decision I actually gave the national guard and border patrol several weeks to answer questions about the kind of activities what they were doing what kind of emergencies they were seeing what kind of national security issues, we're present. And they were not able to defend anything of that nature. And as a result. I made it. Decision to pull those troops from the border. The president is announced an intention to declare some kind of national -mergency to the details of that are yet to be determined or announced. But what do you what do you see as your role as governor that state? What would you do in that capacity were the government to use that emerges? Emergency powers to do things in in New Mexico. Well, I'm certainly going to join hope the chorus of so many elected leaders and law enforcement folks that this is a terrible and unfortunate tactic that the president is taking. It's a an additional effort at Moore campaign like stunts his own department of Justice as we're being reported by national news outlets. Don't think it's going to pass any legal muster. Because there is no emergency really sets. The worst kind of precedence for separation of powers. And so this affects everyone in congress affects governors, and we will join whatever legal action and related efforts to make sure that we keep the executive branch in check. This is nothing more than a power grab, and it stoking fear. And frankly, it makes that mix a few less safe, and is using resources that are intended for other purposes in this country. You just want an election just just a few months ago. And I'm curious you've got a state that is a border state. You look at the national political worse over the last three months. How ranking in the number one to number three or four issues in that campaign. You just ran in your state on the border where were these issues? I mean what the president talks about the state of emergency. Was that at the center of the campaign that you just ran no in fact, in my general with I was running against another former member of congress. So we were both in congress in that general election, we were both against the wall because we live here. We know the impact it has on families on humanitarian efforts and most importantly, our economy, the fabric of what makes this a multicultural safe state, and we are really working in New Mexico to bolster our economy. So we were both on the same page on that issue in immigration. And the border wall. We're not primary issues in the campaign because we're living in a totally different reality than what's being manufactured by the president. Governor Michelle Luhan Grisham of New Mexico. Thank you so much for making some time tonight. I really appreciate it. To the west of New Mexico. The state of Arizona, it has three hundred seventy three miles a border swath so long and varied the stories there are as nuanced as the terrain. NBC news correspondent Morton Radford has been traveling through the state all week talking to people along the border with Mexico. She joins live tonight from Nogales Arizona Morgan. That's right. Chris Gallus is the largest bordertown here in Arizona. And right now, they're in a bitter battle over this. Freshly placed concertina wire which you can see covering this fence right here behind me. But the reality of it is this fence is just a small portion of the entire Amazon border and fact two thirds of that border only has short vehicle barriers or no barriers at all. And that means for each type of terrain. There's a completely different type of battle at the border. The era Zona Mexico border three hundred seventy three miles of treacherous terrain one giant barrier. From the mountainous natural barriers in the east to manmade razor wire in the center and barren desert out west deadly melted, this terrain like this has already claimed nearly three thousand lives in the last twenty years everything that you do round. We've been wanting to temperatures one hundred and ten degrees for artists album and see. So his life's mission is to remember each and every migrant who died, why do you do it because on part of the Lhasa? I'm part of the migration race. This is your story to this is my story in every time. I come here. I connect this loss to losses in my own life. He's placed nine hundred crosses in five years is administration is using the desert to kill people, and they dying from lack of water, which is why he and his team of all in tears also leave behind a jug of water. They figure if someone died here. More are coming behind them people who've left messages. To you after leaving the water and whoever whoever finds them. Yeah. We're kind of things we see the messages us. But even if a migrant were to try to avoid the desert by travelling to the center of the state, then they'd run into this a twenty two foot high wall, covered and brand new concertina wire, this is no Zona. But that's no this may go. Yeah. Makiko event moved to Nogales to be closer to her husband who's waiting in Mexico to reapply for citizenship to the US. People don't understand. Just how hard it is. Sometimes his family comes here just to speak to him through the fence along this wall. There are more than five thousand border patrol agents. But where there aren't some have decided to take the law into their own hands. Tim Foli calls himself a certified tracker, he's the founder of the era Zona border recon a group of volunteers from all over the country. Where are the cameras that you're using their hidden dressed in camouflage and armed with his pistol fully goes out to patrol this patch of the border placing hidden cameras and looking for any signs of what he calls criminal activity. A lot of people might say you guys are bunch of racists who just want to hunt down Mexican people or people trying to cross the border. Well, what do you say that? Well, that's because they have a preconceived notion of who we are. And of anybody who's trying to protect the border the. Call races yet the second largest makeup of our group is Hispanic mouth. You have Hispanic men who are helping you. Yes. Secure this word. Morgan you talked about the concertina-wire outer that was put up behind you recently. Why is that been a source friction? Well, I had to say, Chris, that's what really struck me. Because a lot of people. Here said, look, we're not necessarily opposed to some form of a barrier because we've grown up with some form of fence or a wall for the past twenty plus years, but what they're bothered by Chris is this brand new razor-wire. They said it feels threatening. It feels punitive and many of them told me they feel like they're living in a war zone. But what really struck me Chris is something that that told me the woman whose husband is in Mexico. She says Morgan it's not only the symbolism. But it's the rhetoric behind the razor wire, she said, if you noticed this razor wire is only on the US side of the border, and it's not on the Mexican side of the border. So what message does that send send what symbol does that? What does that tell people? They need to fear when they come to our country. Chris. News correspondent Morton Radford in Nogales. Arizona for us tonight. Many thanks for that heading even further west or final border south tonight, the great state of California at one hundred and forty miles. It has the smallest boroughs, Mexico, the California border also includes Santa's Heathrow, which is the country's busiest Lamport of entry with an average of ninety thousand people including passengers and pedestrians coming north every day. Much of the California border is already walled off by barriers of some kind. Got Schwartz has traveled along the entire length of that were from the east of the west, and he joins us live tonight from San Diego, California to share what he found Gotti. Hey kristie. I most of the people that we've been talking to is. We've crossed the border lands here in California say that it doesn't feel like there is a crisis, but they will be quick to point to the walls and the fences that have been up here for more than a decade. Stretching across desolate deserts over steep terrain and into the Pacific, California's one hundred forty mile borders starts here at the port of entry where most of the traffic appear to be Americans crossing south towards discount dentists in health clinics in Mexico that razor wire up there. That's definitely new but this wall right here. This is the old wall that a lot of border patrol agents say they don't like because they can't see what's going on on the Mexico side. And we look over your, hey, guys Americans crossing over to Mexico. You got Trump. Some Trump supporters their wall or no wall. Wall while or no wall, no all three miles west a massive see of sand dunes spans the desert with only one way back to actually see the border crossing these sand dunes gives you a full understanding of just how unforgiving this terrain can be it would be really tough to build a full blown wall out here because the sands are constantly shifting throughout the year. But a floating fence that is a different story. That is what we're seeing right here. This is what border patrol installed a few years ago, thirty four miles west the city of collects Icho. This is some of the tallest fencing in America. And it's right here next to the strip mall you've got border patrol right behind us. Do you think that the rest of the United States understands what's happening here on the border? No, what do you think they think is going on? I think they think that people are jumping everyday trying to Steeler jobs when reality there are no jobs to steal the fence stops and starts again over several mountain ranges running along the town of Koumba hot springs. Do you think there's a border crisis out here? No, no. I think it's ridiculous. We don't need your damn all hundred miles into California. At the only cafe in compo. Fox News is a lunch crowd is mostly border patrol and some live nearby say there is a crisis used to not see any immigrants passing through. But now. Everywhere from there is the border approaches. San Diego would pass his eight prototype walls Bill during President Trump's early preference for concrete fence wall a department of homeland security test found all the prototypes were potentially breach. -able is this the preferred -fensive preferred wall? Yeah. This design here is what border patrol has preferred what we really like about. It is if you look right now back either direction, it's a wall. It's an impenetrable eight inch plus thick concrete and steel wall that my guys can get protection behind from there. The border run six miles to send you see drew. The busiest land port of entry in the world with thirty four million crossings last year as a boot or drums to sea level that is smugglers goals. It runs above an infamous canyon in front of rancher Terry tenants home where hundreds of thousands of immigrants crossed into the US in the nineties and early two thousands. What changed? Well, they've built another another pants toward one. They couldn't get over. And then go through the hall to people coming through another two miles west the fence finally disappears into the ocean. In a place called friendship park. Open only on the weekends for family members separated by the borders at talked to each other and touch fingertips under the watchful eye of border patrol. And Chris that's what it feels like here on the California side. But I gotta say over in the wanna side it's somewhat of a different story over there. Th- authorities say that there is a humanitarian crisis with a lot of the migrant caravans in the families coming up from Central America and the thirties here in the United States, including border patrol says that is starting to spill over the border in the San Diego sector saying that they have seen an apprehension rate of family units up about six hundred percent since October Chris. Got some news today that a number of rights groups, I think employees seal you're going to sue the US government over the policy they've implemented at places like Sunday C drill that that. And this deal they appear to struck Mexican officials to to keep folks thi Cuanto or are these other kinds of border cities. What can you tell us about that? It's not just keep folks in Tijuana. We're talking about now seeing some cases where people have crossed into the United States, and they are here they have been processed. And then they are taken back and told the weight in Mexico today, we heard of ten children that were crossed over into Mexico along with fifty three other people in expecting to see that a lot more. Chris gutty Schwartz live for us in San Diego, California. Thanks very much for that. That takes us. The nearly two thousand miles span of the southern border back here in L passer tonight, I'm joined by two people know a lot about life in the Jacob sober off who's reported extensively on the border over the past few years, including on the child separation policy. Here's here along with the mayor of El Paso, Texas, de Margaux and mayor let me start with you the president has declared going clear tomorrow and national emergency. What do you think about? Well, I'm not sure how you define national emergency. There is an issue with migrants coming over were today. We were five hundred and thirty were released in L Paso, and that's a significant increase lately it's been three to four hundred. But we're having more and more. And my concern is our the enunciating house are NGO. It's at capacity and five hundred is kind of the limit and these are mostly Central American family, right? Their families their process by is. And, you know, your viewers need understand we we have law enforcement. And then we have the areas where we're HHS is the is the entity that's involved with any care or feeding of these migrants. But we're doing it through an NGO. You know, one of the things that is very clear Jacob the mayor's talking about is that there is something different. That's happening started in two thousand fifteen really, but it's really intensified which is the kinds of crossings where people coming from and mismatch between that and the capacity legal judicial surf social services to deal with that. But why and how did we get here is the question that we have to ask and you have to look back all the way to Bill Clinton to understand how our border enforcement or got into a little bit with you, basically led to this point in the answer is deterrence Bill Clinton put into place a policy called prevention through deterrence in one thousand nine hundred three it built the first wave of infrastructure. And led to people crossing in the desert more dangerous and deadly roots and dying Donald Trump put a much more aggressive deterrence policy into place separation policy that you and I reported on stood together and solve with our own eyes. In south, Texas. The idea that there's no connection to enforcement, and then the migration flows is pretty ridiculous preposterous. If you ask me, and Donald Trump, we we gotta say over and over again, the crisis that's happening out here is a humanitarian one it's certainly happening. But it's directly connected to enforcement policies of the United States. They're trying to avoid the border patrol. They're trying to get into the country. And they're coming for very legitimate reason, the government basically is stopping that from happening. And that's why we're seeing what we're seeing today. You just said something about this happens at a bunch of different border towns, mcallen. There'll be some often religious community that that processes and deals with folks that are coming through when they get at by is they then go and they find the bus tickets or they go and they see around here. Do you? You don't strike me as someone who's scared of that. We're thinks that's a threat to the well being of the people. Well, we're not having any issues. You've you've reported on number of times that we're we are the safest city under FBI crime statistics for a population greater than five hundred thousand and have been for many years, although a physical structure like a fence is part of control of our borders, which we need, but but the real root problem is we're dealing with the symptoms of a root problem, and that's lack of migration immigration reform in Washington DC, they've had thirty years to do it. And no one has shown any intestinal fortitude on either side of the aisle. So both are coupable then something's gotta get. Something's gotta be done between dacas dreamers, those that are already here and what we're doing Central America. We should note there was there was a deal on the table back in March of twenty five billion for the wall to deal with the DACA and dreamers, and maybe more than that the president scotched it by calling for massive restrictions to legal immigration. Let's just talk about resources, the mayor makes an excellent point if at patriots, negroes or. The money spent on enforcement was portrait's actually processing people instead of metering them. They'd be able to come into the country using the legal silent process, be processed. You safe be healthy and not just put back into Mexico into the most dangerous cities, including that one one of them in Mexico tonight Jacob off and mayor de Margaret was a mayor of this town of hell Paso. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you lights are all on as night falls. Hear no Paso, and there is no obvious emergency. Incite our special all in America live from our southern border continues. Right after this. It appears the border legislation is on its way to pass in the house of representatives at this hour, go onto the president next for his signature and something you hear the president say sometimes some of his supporters is if you don't have a border, you don't have in country, and in some sense. Sure, that's true orders are constituent features of the modern nation state. The question before the us is not does it have a border were not it's what kind of border we will have for most of its existence. The southern border had nowhere near the massive security apparatus. It is developed in the last twenty years. In fact, the fencing behind me that separates El Paso, whereas was only built in two thousand eight a lot of people for decades and decades used to just come and go come for work or turn home to their families. Sometimes seasonally in fact, U S immigration policy policy for much of this country's entire history was kind of open borders policy. Basically anyone not enslaved could more or less show up. The country had a border then too, and it certainly existed as a country, and then another thing you hear not just from the president. But really from politicians across the political spectrum is we need to secure the border, and yet no one ever seems to define what the heck that means. What is the goal that we want to reach what it means in practice is always more more money more fencing more drones more technology, more border patrol more enforcement more punitive measures. And yet somehow it is quite literally never enough. And that is because for many most importantly this president his base in his advisors. It's not about the border, and it never has been, and you know, that because as soon as they were offered a twenty five billion dollar package for the border wall. The White House derail the talks by demanding drastic reduction in legal immigration. You could have had money for the wall. But the wall is not the issue and the border this very real stretch of land with people and families and businesses and churches on both sides. The line is not the issue issue is what this country is a whole looks like and who gets to call it. There's which is why the wall will never be built and always be needed by the border will never actually be secure, but always need to be secured. It's because America cannot be and will not be one hopes the kind of nation that those folks want the president has advisors one bound, fundamentally by ethnic and racial affiliation. Rather than a collective vision of a free society, the border is not what we need secure. But we want is for people to be secure. We want people to feel secure and that that's hard and getting there, and all it would mean is something that no amount of fencing is ever going to provide that doesn't for our special edition of all in America live at the border migrate. Thanks to all of our meeting. Reporters who spent many many hours, traveling the border to bring us all these stories tonight that does it for all in. 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"Hello and welcome to the tank podcast, ultra sport and motorsport networks podcast for all things two-wheeled. I'm your host Lewis Duncan and join me is ever as Oriole push on all the way from Australia, and we've got them up his bed to spend an Australian Marlon to to talk to a scenario. Hey. How you doing very good, thank you. Yeah, we're still here and then can wait to. To See the season has started again so it really like month away tomorrow, racing bike again, so yeah, it's not a long wait, but Y- hopefully. Getting closer and closer. I was amazed I saw a tweet today An said from Lewis Hamilton said. I can't wait to go racing again in two weeks, team and I thought. Can it be so quick? Formula, one's coming back and more GP's almost. Here's yeah, it's funny. It's been long, but it no feels quite. A short away. Anyway! Before we get to the race in there are some. To talk about one of them, being Daniela Petrova again. Because it looks like he is no edging towards a Ktar contract. He's been an Austria with these manager this week. To discuss I guess discussed Thames to introduce himself to the team. According to his manager, all went whale. Oh, very positive so fury. What's what's your take on the situation? Well I. Think Kate the is running out of options, so Danilo is them. The most logical move from them to sign and. Yeah same with him. I mean he doesn't have many places to go I thought that. Beginning. That really was more logical move. Yeah But yeah, I mean I think at the gate. The EMMYS is running out of right. writers day by day so. A thing eighties It is Funny move considering all the writers at gate, the Haas at the moment and Yeah, it would be, it would be interesting to see if they finally reached that deal and they'll. Pay signed. When they sign. Let's yet would be interesting to see law on I kate. The I'm really keen. I'm really looking forward to see. These guy trying to yeah well fighting with this kind of bike. yeah, it's A. It's a strange move I think all run lake. You say because if you look at the people who Katie him had linked to them and preview. Even at the end of last year Marquez was linked to them. You know obviously a SPA girl. Was There Diversey also another? Strange turn of events Options are limited, but even still. It's still an odd one. Yet I think in that case maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong because. Gates just my feeling, but. I think that must've ice or most of the people see the project in one way. And maybe he's not exactly. because. They are not. US reach us. Many people think. Yes so I think they are able. They have this. Power doing best millions and millions and millions in writer salary, so they are not ready, they are not. it would be bind less well I would say less I don't see. Red Bull. Bang for mark. Marquette's? How did he the moment? Because what's the point for them I? Mean what's the point for Red Bull Red Bull hustled ready mark. Under. Their wing. This how he's had so, Mike is a redwood writer. Which is? Completely fine for for them. I don't see what's the need. On Red, bull being, let's say twenty, five, million, twenty million. For Him To join decade the impact, so yeah I don't really believe that the moment maybe in future things change but I don't see how this can happen at the moment, because I don't really see that red bull has any need on on getting more involved with mark when. Mark is ready. Redwood writer and and get 'em. How the percent they're not gonNA. Pay Twenty, million, twenty, five million for for mark. Don't forget what happened with Luchetti Info and it was half of this number, so they are still I wouldn't say regretting, but not at a steel paying. Those. Checks! Yeah, yeah. Yeah! That's interesting point of a red bill because I suppose in a way that maybe the same for ditsy also already read Bill Athlete on on a thirty and DECAF. Pay Him well, so there's no need for red bills. Get involved there. S A good point you make about a red bull market has as a sort of a same same idea really is diverse. Yo, so why would read boo really want to pay any money for zero? So when these on the books on race went in package? Works well for them. Looking. Elsewhere this whole saga. As obviously. Is the main more. No, Patricia. We know is going. As, you know, we think Katie MD has done. So Defense Yo show is the big question mark you've said for weeks knows that you don't see anything anything. Changing uses deals getting there. So what's the latest on on that front will? I. Don't see. How do Kathy. Can. Let, Petrucci, go. If. They don't have the yeah, the security. That Dhabi will sign, but you never know. Because nobis be yeah, the tape. Guy And you never know Last news a got from teas that they were. Leaving him some space to think about it with more grows and this kind of things. Keep He's mine. Be Clear and Yeah, just Thinking about the final decision. Than I think it has to be. INA-. Weekday, maximum so Yeah, but to me I. Don't see the with your retiring. At the moment and I don't see him. Up Really I. THINK IT WOULD BE A. yeah, back. Quite Yeah, Let's say obvious I have nothing against a really about to comparable projects at the moment. what do the offers you it is? It is a beat. The is much better from the sporting point of view than what really does. And Yeah I mean with. With Davinci so yes is. Passionately on an always spoken about this before I, don't believe he's got another. I don't think he's capable of fighting for the championship anymore, but he is capable still of winning races, and he knows that staying with two caddies Guna minimum. It'll be winning two races a year. You know we're going to say this year. Race track is very good on you know. Already, he'll be looking at the season as a low attracts air. That should sit the to catty so. You know looking forward Y. Y, why would you? Why would you go elsewhere? When you know, you can still win races especially this late in your career. It just doesn't make any sense to me. I think. About the the championship things nobody. was expecting him to fight for the championship in twenty. Seven And end for the first half two, thousand seventeen. He wasn't fighting for the championships. That's why they I mean you never know especially with the championship that is about to start. It is a completely unique championship. So you never know how things were gonNA be set and. If mark or Honda has. Any problem. Don't forget that they if we have to follow what they've said in Qatar. They've just find the light in the last hour of that test so. I just want to say that. That's what I mean by this I mean. It would be a very unique championship. So, I wouldn't give anything by set at the moment. You know I prefer to wait and see what's happened because any beasts can has a major effect, any thing any. Unexpected. Thing can has can have a major effect on the on the standings on the championship on the racist. So that's what I say that you have to try to do. Keep or to set the best deem. you can set, and then let's see and to me for Dobie for both W and. They are very good They have very good. Yeah, link or combination or again I know what you mean. I duNNo. I mean what's what's the point on on break? Desk discrimination to me. Okay I mean if the money. Yeah, but he's not really a-. Would offer him seeks million, which is more or less barren salary. We know that the cutty. Is GonNA offer less money for next two years, but yeah I mean. Is there any other place where he can get? Like the he Scotland Tannery no so. Considering that, this should status and the options available. I think that. If he wants to keep bracing to God is the best place to to keep doing that. For sure. You you mentioned. Why would you break up a winning team? It reminds me very much of what Carl fogarty said when he after he went to Honda and boat superbikes. The problem was not moving. Baker was breaking up a winning team moving from to caddy, so it's it's the same your the exact same thing. Continuing with the theme, a couple of loose ends we think by is probably going to stay. Kathy Shabazz says he wants to wait a few racist to see. How by does ways progresses? There's been some rumors Zakho could get the proxy I don't I don't believe those passing I don't know where they've come from. I think it's an easy rimmer to make given ZARCO was linked to. Briefly in November. But I don't see anything changing their either to you. ice, but with Cottie. few times in the last. Few weeks and they never. said that they got any interest. Really on on. Get rid of Baker they are. They know that Baker needs to adapt. His writing is do the. But they are pleased with bagels approach. He just needs to to make this rich. and to adapt to the trying to adapt to the bike and don't forget Dan. We need to wait and see the. Darkest performance on that bike so. I wouldn be. Lake. Yeah I think that sometimes we are trying to go too fast on on yeah! On our thoughts and I mean give him time I mean he hasn't. raised. any you know. To Gotti. I mean any integrates. Would it with the Gutty, so give him time to show because when we don't know how this guy is GonNa perform with with the cut the so to me. Aid would be stupid. To, offer him anything at the moment. When he still has to race with. This bike. For sure definitely. The thing with packer. I think a big problem here is that. Is Quarter Arrow Coiro came under was so quick on the Yamaha. Know that giving everyone a false sense of what rookie has and. Louis Forget Dan. Remark has already sane Martine. So. They have one. Of the two bikes. Soth. and. On on being in a rice for the second one, there's no point because most of the writers would love to sign. For. For Priok so, what's on you just at the moment? They. Just have to wait and see the best available option. Sorry to. No No, no, it's a good point. You make the point. I was just making on by the It was a disappointing rookie season buff. You know you know. I think it's been clouded a little bit by the fact that you know. Quarter hour were so strong on the Yamaha. Two completely different baked by Paco stepping onto Dekassegi sore, so different and especially for a rookie to get their head around. So I think this think. preseason packer went quite well. He showed okay and I. Think you know I, think these races. He will be a better raider so. You know again from that point of view to catch here off. Stick with PETCO for at least one more here I would say I would say and I'm just guessing, but I will say that the story would be much different if he would have jumped into Yamaha. Dun Dun Dun to the, but you never know, and we all know, but yeah I think that it is not an easy bike despite what they say and especially if you come from to do. I mean we all know that the neither outstep is the Yamaha. Don't forget. Ho Much, rolling through struggled to get from the Yamaha to the Gutty. Show it gives you an idea about how difficulties to change this perception. That's why Fabio. West Birdie fast on the. From the very first moment because motor to. writing style, is I mean it feet straight away the Yamaha. So, and getty is probably the opposite. So. That's that's the point. Years, you're spot on finally I just want to touch on cal slow because really know we. We think PICCI's. Nor remit to catty really crutch lows only option no. For Twenty Twenty one as A. and. You know you could. You could understand APPRECIA- being entrusted in Heme, you know. Would cow really go to really I I've seen it floated on on social media, but I just can't see it happen. I am very yeah. looking forward to see what? Honda Honda offers him any right. Maybe not multi beat. But. yeah. I'm yeah, Okay I. See I, see I. See what you're getting now. So yeah. Let's see I. Don't know I. Don't have any information, but knowing whole. Honda reacts how Honda Works. I wouldn't see. Strange to offer him a place in another championship. Interesting because Honda have entered another championship with a full factory effort with the brand new bike. Got One more to GP STAR on the bakes. Another one we can go, but. Whether cal would go back. To thing, that's the point I'm thinking just I'm just guessing what? Honda can offer him forget that Honda before Danny signed as KTM at this writer, he was offered. Lake Ambassador and debt role for home the. Danny would have never. Gone Tool to world superbikes. But. Hugh Wash offer this role I. think that Honda can think on. The same way. Yeah I. Yeah, that that's an interesting point. Whether cal would just I'm just I'm just guessing but. It's a good. It's a good. It's a very good show. I guess it all depends on. On, how motivated callous to continue Reysen if in the appropriate project make Satan, you think. You may thank you have nothing to lose. Jump on your privy and he could be quick. Straightaway. It's. It's. An inter- I just still can't see it happening. No just doesn't. Count is like it doesn't fit right. Yeah, I just to me. If cal fan gear on a bike that you know, he can win on and he's just not. He won't be interested because that's what you wanted ended days to win races. Any noisy can do that. Well, I call is a special character and has a special character and I think that sometimes these can play against him because he's being. talking a lot in last two years, and maybe that what? Has. He Been In. That relation at the moment so because he was well I'm GONNA retire I'm not gonNA. Let see how it go. La La okay okay so if he was completely committed to be anti. No I'm done one. Even think or done. Women don't even. Talk about retiring. I think the situation would be different at the moment, but yeah I mean to me I have Garlina really high blaze. He has shown. Here's one races. Yeah I, mean other than mark is the most competitive writer so. All the great him. But considering the situation at the moment in and the bikes available. I don't see where he can. Fit To, be on yeah. Yeah I. Agree hopefully. We'll wait and see things powder. It would be definitely a shame to lose cow from the championship, but. Everyone has tame. and cows had a great career. I think or not. we will end their my thanks to your a as always and my thanks to listeners as well. If you late what you had, you can go listen to all of our podcasts on spying Google podcast and apple podcasts. 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BS 167 Stanislas Dehaene explores "How We Learn"
"I think it's also important for teachers and educators because they tend to underestimate the capacities of the baby brain. It's not just plasticity not just learning. It's a combination of innate abilities and learning there is no such thing as a nature nurture as always both brain science the podcast that explores how recent discoveries in neuroscience are unraveling the mystery of how our brain makes us human. I'm your host Dr Ginger Campbell and this episode one hundred and sixty seven. I've been hosting brain science since two thousand and six because I passionately believe that understanding the basics of how our brains really work not only enriches our lives but prepares us to deal with the challenges of the twenty-first century. Today's Guest Stanislas Hong shares my passion before we jump into today's interview. I WanNa remind you that you can find additional episodes of brain science along with episode shown notes and transcripts on my website at brain science. Podcasts DOT COM. You can send me feet back at brain science by Kesse. Gmail.com submit voice feedback at speak pipe dot com forward slash doc arduous and impose to the brain science podcast fan page on facebook. We also have a group on good reads which you can get to with the Shortcut Brain Science Forum Dot Com. Today's guest neuroscientists Stanislas. The Hawn is the author of several bestselling books including the number sense reading in the brain and consciousness in the brain which I discussed in detail in episode one hundred sixty today. We're going to be talking about his new book. How we learn why brains learn better than any machine for now. I'll be back after the interview to review the key ideas and to share a few brief announcements and really excited dime finally having you as a guest on brain science. Thank you for taking the time to talk with me. It's a pleasure so before we talk about your new book how we learn. Tell us a little bit about yourself. Sure Yeah I. I am a brain scientist. At the moment. I started in mathematics. Initially my job as a little bit bizarre when I started to be essentially very fascinated but at the beginning of the personal computer and I was very interested in whether you could make tutors. That'll be intelligent as we are. I realized that in fact there was a science of that. That was a way to study cognition. And it's called cognitive science and when I entered the field I was very lucky that my start going sided with the onset of brain imaging. It started to be possible to look inside the brain of human beings and to try to use this images of the brain to understand how we compute and how we differ in fact from a computer so I became a cognitive scientist a little. My training was in mathematics and I made use of every possible technique. I started in fact Interacting with by lesion patients because at the time that was about the information we have the brain. But then we you. We did a lot more of brain imaging and now. I'm the director of the center just south of Paris. It's called Nuro spin. The she's friends his most advanced brain imaging center. We have six seven and many other tools to look at the brain so as I mentioned before we started I featured your last book during my series about consciousness and one of the things you mentioned in that book was that for a long time. Consciousness was considered to be outside the realm of neuroscience. Were you always sort of interested in consciousness but felt like you couldn't study at. I mean could you talk about that piece of the journey a little bit? Indeed I was trade with the idea. The country was beyond the hail of what you could study scientifically. They took me quite a wide to think about it more until the United States was forced but there was a time in our science where consciousness. Tabu. This was a word that you wouldn't use and this is a field that you wouldn't study unless you were retired so you could get away with him. Well actually helped a lot. He and crystal core were some of the people like Gutty Rice. Confidence who by studying patients showed us that there was a way. I'm a student of Mike. Posner in the US in Oregon was also one of the people who said you know countries. He's tightly related to attention. And we can study books so eventually realize that in fact that many many times to study consciousness we can manipulate countries in the lab. That many ways we can study visually delusions where they said this association between objective stimulus and the subjective content reporting. We studied patients. We can study sleep. We can steady vigilance and the loss in coma and bridget that you states at the moment we do a lot of applied research of this as well so we found some signatures of consciousness that can be helpful to decide whether a patient in hospital easily is not countries so this is become a huge fields in about twenty years. It's I published my I C- I use paper on consciousness in one thousand nine hundred eight. In fact there were two different papers. One showing that experiment. You could have somebody me note and Sue Party on Stimuli below the hash out of consciousness above this hush load of consciousness so we found that. This was a lovely way to contest the brain level the brain activation evoked by a non conscious in my conscious stimulus and to study the difference and I also proposed the theory of consciousness. Global NEURONAL WORKSPACE SERIES JUMPS. Show which still is twenty years later when of the dominant series of countries processing and that was based on Bernard. Baars original global workspace theory. Or It's a very important book. I think Ben at boss but it was solely a psychological theory of consciousness. The literal neuro science that there was. I think was not what we saw today. So my main concern was to show that Siri could be extended into the neuroscience SPA and too much greater picture of what was happening the Cortex when we become conscious. The concept of ignition is one of the things that we brought to the field. Another thing that my impression. I don't read all the literature in your field. Obviously so that's why I'm asking you this. I get the feeling that a lot of the work you did was a big part in our current understanding that so much of what our brain does is not conscious yes. I think this is a key. Finding from a lot of experiments in fact most of the computation in the brain is unconscious whether it is face league nation word recognition understanding the meaning of a sentence. This is something was end. Result is conscious but the process itself is not and by making experiments using these subliminal stimuli were to show how far non conscious stimulus can go in the brain without being detected by the subject so we could flash pictures. Mike was mostly pictures of words written words and show that it could go all the way for instance to the middle where the meaning is accessed and subjects have a notion over the awards. Emotional on us for instance you flush. There were draped was totally activate. The mega much more than for new code word and they would do so even when the word is totally impossible to detect. So is just one example. We have many many others showing that country's necessarily the tip of the iceberg saw Nia small boss on elementary. We could go on and on and on and never get around to your new book. So let's focus on your new book today and maybe you can come back in the future and we go back to consciousness because it I think is for my listeners. A continues to be one of the most popular topics. Because for the average person who's not a neuroscientist but we're conscious and we want to know. Well how did that happen? Would you give us just a brief overview of your new book? How we learn. Yes absolutely What happened was that I became more and more interested in how we change our brain school education and I did a lot of work on reading. I have another book on. Reading in the brain and mathematics to great examples where humans compare to other pilates too much much father in understanding the extent of the world and acquiring information in a short period so I became more and more interested in learning or Gorey's abs of human beings and that's what the new book is about to a view of how it and why the human brain is still a much better than any machine that we know of learning. I try to start with a view of what he's learning what it means for brain to learn and then how the human brain is especially gifted learning. Why is she superior to many other animals into all of the machines that we know of and then I end with a mechanical part? Where I speak about. You know that the devices that we get used go using facts to improve our learning and that should be used in schools so what echo the full peters of learning right and that's really important because when impression I have is a problem in education is the failure to use the real science yes spoke. It's a failure of all of us. You know we all learn but we have never learned to learn and the point of the book is really that we can learn to learn better. They are tricks. It's useful to know more about how brain does learning and then we can use this knowledge in very practical terms. You know the to acquire formation better whether it's a school in the office and that's the reason why I do this show about neuroscience because I really believe that knowing things about our brain works is something that we can use in practical everyday life. So let's start out by defining what you mean by the word learning well so learning in my opinion should be defined as the construction of mental model. So it's not the trivial thing to hang that in our brain. We host an enormous variety of models of the external world. We can close our eyes for instance and think about the spelling of words. Thank about the visit of our apartment and things on later over there in our apartment we have in our brain the internal model that we have captured to experience and they are so rich that they are lois to generate almost an entire virtual hannity. This is what happens in our dreams. We Ima by there's no inputs and yet the brain generates an entire rarity so this is what learning is about about that. Just saying the parameters of an internal mothers so he fits better. We suspect of the extended worked. That's of course they all finish in and we have to think that they'll probably thousands of mental mothers including some that are extremely. Apps talked like in mathematics. We are learning about you. Know they all go nuys D- but also some very concrete wants like I learned homages of my buddy and how much force and aim high splitting the to reach about secret object. What's so that definition that you just gave me. Sounds like it would be the definition of well for sure. The definition of human learning yet you point out in the book that learning is universal on the basic types. Pichu Asian happen even in very primitive animals now. They don't actually have models as far as we can tell. The most primitive learning that some animals do wouldn't quite reach up to the level that you just described on. Oh I disagree. I think even in the case of education I mean. It's very simple but there is a valuable inside the animal that corresponds to the amount of consultation of some substance and save the substances being high concentration for a long time and as an internal valuable that has tweeted inside the animal. Then that reflects the presence of the substance in the extended world. So I think even in this case even though you know it's a minimal. Mother was very Meters but somehow anybody's carrying with him and it can be even a very simple animals like nematodes warm. They anybody's carrying some knowledge of you might think that he would be better for Russian to just lie about the brain but a festival. It's not the responsibility. Because our brain there eighty six billion neurons. So it'd be impossible to could in the genome every single connection of all of these yards but also is not desirable because we are born in different environments and we simply cannot anticipate on the specifics of the environment that we saw in the human brain. This process has been Richard an incredible level. We are able to acquire information about extol in a variety environment. I claim that we should be called Homo sapiens. The species that teaches in that learns cheese itself because I think the the definition of our niche although animals have a boutique UTO ecological niche our leashes deputy tour so in your book how we learn. Focus a lot about on how babies learn. Why why is that so important? Because it's a characteristic of our species that we are young for a long time that we have a very extended of justice city a class for at least twenty years and in fact we remained plastic in some areas for much much longer essentially all areas. Yes we differing degrees of plasticity. So you don't start in childhood and I think it's also important for teachers and educators because they tend to underestimate the capacities of the baby is not just plasticity. Not just learning. It's a combination of innate abilities and learning there is no such thing as a nature nurture. They always both. It's hundred percent of books. I'M GONNA break in here to remind you that. 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Or then mo where. My username is doc. Artemis to learn more and pick the option. That's best for you go to brain science podcast. Dot Com forward slash donations? What science has discovered is that learning is made possible because the inmates domains of knowledge corner edge that we capitalize on in other the to go beyond so in the book for instance. I described these laibach experiments. Not just about number. This was also a topic of a previous book of mine. The number sense but also about possibilities in babies and babies have a sense of obesity. If you can believe it they know how to anticipate events that have been in poverty of occurring. If they C- C- bowls that are blue and another one which is yellow and the Shaker in an urn and then one of them comes out. They think it's much more likely to be the bluer and they are surprised if they see their yellow one. Come out because this was less likely. Experiments showed that the amount of looking looking time is the highclere related to the possibility of the event or the impossibility. The less likely it is the longer they look and what experiments have shown these that. Don't really look the more they learn. It's Heidi both of their learning or go is if it's a device for orienting to odds else to thinks that you don't yet know and that you have to learn so he's starting in the baby and even the few days of age and this relates to the idea of the brain is as basins statistician. Right it may be going on in the baby. Talk a little bit about that idea what it means to think of. The brain is basin. Yes I think it's a very important races idea and one that has not yet made it into actual devices like your networks and so on but it's super important. Essentially Beijing or go is provider South of Oak T- motorway to learn. If you know you know about the domain you do better than by using these patients that he's teakwood ago reserves. They essentially. Say exactly how you should combine your knowledge of field and new evidence that you're getting from young vibrant and these quite evidence with babies do and essense they act as scientists statisticians. They pulled the extended words experiments. They look at the result and enter pet. What they've seen in external world in a statistical as Paul ballistic evidence in this that mother. So I do. I governor and sinking the debate. He is a scientist. In the crab lethal scientists will reasons vary optionally about the accelerated essentially. Bayesian statistics big. Were to say that. The baby's acting as a national being tied to the optimal inferences from the extended world. So then what goes wrong? I mean this is a surprising result because the average adult was a terrible statistician. I mean at least like you know. They think they're going to be in a plane wreck when the eyes of that are really low. Well it's not always true. This is. This is a matter of debate and Many many experiments of course on this topic we are not very good when poverty is conveyed by the similar numbers. So if I you. There's a point zero zero one po ability. You don't understand that very well but if I tell you about Integer I'll tell you out of ten thousand cases. There was on the one where he came out. This way. You're much better and in fact there is a going field of Beijing. Statistics apply to the other brain showing that study. That's with our brains do. Of course it's an approximation not perfect calculation but Our brains occupied good other stimulating. The possibilities of events and our brain is a dictator. The brain constantly tries to anticipate on what's going to happen generates a publisher which is stick and compares. Then what it gets that. That's a very important set of series called predictive coding that. I think capture of a lot about what the baby's doing already from the start. Inate categories provide some actions. They've costed a lot to learn on top of this innate knowledge and so we learned by detecting the L. between what we predicted an which we got. Okay so that seems like a really natural way to move on to the question of how machines or computers learn is obviously constantly changing. But what are the key differences for? How COMPUTERS LEARN. How people aren't at the current time right. It's a wonderful topic. Of course I don't want to diminish the wonderful performance that has been achieved and is still being cheap daily their two new papers in nature yesterday From the deep mind lab showing wonderful Paul Guy so I am impressed by these pogo is but I think there's still ways in which the human brain is much better first of all. We require much fewer data if you think of a baby quieting language. The baby is actually getting vader data but the target language and yet its sabre to converge in fact better than any machinery no so far on like to convert the whole lexicon of the language we can pull that it is using a few words sometimes just a single instance of a single word. It's using all of the appropriate information about the context that particular the social context in a way that machines can do so far so it's intercepted since reading the minds of the speaker. The social component is another aspect which is completely missing from me sheets. We don't just learn. We educate ourselves so we have a theory of mind that tells us that's The teacher in front of us. He's actually trying to help us by giving US examples that are hopefully it for us to learn by using these sorta inflammation. We can go much further much faster again. Experiments show that they'd do that. They have tons precisely to the attention of the others in front of them and they use that and I went to mention the third thing which the brain is superior to other machines. This is the ability to obstucted information. You know symbolic for if you look at your networks official your networks these days. They learned a lot but they have no idea whatever they totally unable to formulate does a symbolic formula on scientific expression and that means that there were so totally unable to commit to another machine but we do hauntingly. We synthesize the inflammation in conscious form in a way that we can speak about. And he's remarkable. You know we are not as good as learning. Go the machines better than us these days but when we go we can speak about it and we can say you know. You shouldn't play beyond the force role until at some moment in the game and this helps us to learn we. We are species that was able to bootstrap itself because we share the information this ability to share information language to formulated explicitly. Sometimes the former equations is absolutely son. Torrance not imitated by machines at the moment so I got the impression from the book that one of the key. Things that's going on is at this current point in time. Artificial intelligence is really only to a certain extent mimicking. What the unconscious. Parts of our brain does but doesn't really have any ability to do what our consciousness does yet. Quality think for the most part. That's exactly what I try to say. I think this is certainly true of the so-called collusion on your network. Cnn's which is a subset of social networks that may make the way of visual system yards and organizes a face hoods judge these networks mimic quite. Well what happens our brains heat about two hundred eight to one hundred fifty a quarter of a second. That's the unconscious pathway. But then beyond that they are not very good. He for instance objectives included behind another. And you have to construct. What's behind that? They good? This requires a south of top down conscious. Attention that are not so good at mimicking. That he's always gone son. Pogo is so I don't want to gain too pooh-pooh what has been done day. I it's fantastic and I think so. All the examples that my book they are known by researchers in the eye and they the focus of a lot of work so find since attention is increasingly being put in artificial neural networks on tastic success but this is only a recent events on the Six or seven years. What about the role of Self Organization in the brain is that something else it would set our brains apart from artificial networks to some extent I mean can be simulated but it's true that many of the recording maps somehow self organizing the way that Alan Turing described that is to say they will organize themselves just continuously on the basis of some input two separate categories for instance and we think that this is a form of learning so called unsupervised learning which is again very very efficient in the brain? We are getting now into the issue. Adjust of how. We learned that the psychological ever but also how we learned that the new level and is of course an important chapter in the book. I tried to describe what we know but less ity about how sinuses. But if I'd himselves an obesity becomes the substrate learning it's an area that is still moving but we Ready Begin to no other and I think it's useful to Nossa find. Since did you know that when you look at little baby for just one second poverty? Something like two or three million has been changing either connecting. All they could act. Say the baby's until the age of about one or two. They have many more sign up cities than we do these an overproduction of sinuses. And that probably explains why they also extraordinary plastic then. The number of sign up sees will decrease select. We pulled the sign up. Tick trees of the Nolan's until we have each other to where we have a salt pond down system that he's much more efficient but less able to learn and Another thing which I on as I was reading about this very intriguing is that we begin to understand why we lose plasticity Leicester City. First of all we've lost sign up says but seconds the new own seller so Holland being themselves behind me. During your south of Matrix of rigid molecules that prevents lineups is from being made. It's like the saw in a cage. They cannot move anymore. Chives brain is a much more liquid stated as it has about of water. There's not movable parts of US still going at the other state it's a much more hedge it system. That physically cannot move. The when you think of brain plasticity you have to think completely literacy. They are moving image. In your brain. In particular on the drive of the neurons Alito Spines Miniscule one thousand on yawns that move around that he talks they contract cheap ly and that's the substrate of learning but we can still learn. Unless we have Alzheimer's disease we can still learn throughout our lives. It depends well. What about is there something we can do to maximize our plasticity as we get older? That's a great question. The first thing is to recognize that they are sensitive periods and that these depend very much on the domain. There are some domains. We're really plastic extremely early and then closes down. A one case in point is for neurological learning. When we acquired the sounds of language. This goes on the officio of life. The baby is not even starting to speak but he is already converged onto the categories of ours and consonants. Vowels about six months consonance after about twelve months. At this point you are no longer hearing the differences between phonemes had on the juice for your which so Japanese speakers norger Shia the difference between our and L. against reverse for a few years and that's also a subject of research not fully known but let's say after the age of nine or ten. It begins to freeze completely and cannot reverse anymore. The same is true for Gummer. That beautiful experiment with was millions of subjects was off the Internet by Steve. Pinker and these goodies in haver and what they found was that there is slowly decreasing curve for the ability to and he'd collapses domestically so if you're trying to learn a second language shoot that he learned that before puberty because after that much much more difficult but as you say there are other domains like we can anew words so the next secret is not a big cognitive where they main classic. We don't quite understand why some brain areas remain plastics and other loser. So I wanted to touch on something that you didn't spend a lot of time in your book but I think is really interesting. Which is you're a neural recycling hypothesis. It's a very simple idea. We are the only primates fishes that he's able to learn completely new tricks. One of them is reading the use of our eyes to convey information that nobody should come so spoken. Language other is mathematics manipulation of symbols in order to do calculations in various. Talk though mates so Mike. Lame is that when we acquire these domains. We have to recycle to re audience to purpose circuits. That had they vote for another purpose. Maybe slightly related one so in the case of reading we understand a lot about this. We know that some visual circuits of the brain that used to be able to recognize objects and faces via to cook nuys the shapes of words and things of letters and they become chew into the body could all letters that we have learned to read so we have seen this occurring We did some way since experiments. For instance where. We scanned some children. Several Times says they were acquiring leading and so we could see their brains change and the spot of the objective ignition circuits being reoriented towards the acquisition of letter shapes so I think this is agenda order phenomena we have our brain a number of circuits that the Pasha DP wired but because of plastic and Deville entered to another activity and full the teacher. I think this is important. It means that we never start with a tabular hustle. The brain is never covered a hustle or a blank slate. We have some initial abilities and we have to grow something new of it sometimes. Details like in the case of reading we have in the valiant so We get is a word regardless of its size because that's what the objects ignition is wired up to do like objects wherever they are how big they are but sometimes he told so a problem and we also need to know about that as a teacher. For instance of reading the visual system is wired. Such statue recognize face with the right provider in the left profile. great fuss tickly useful. There's a tiger coming from the left. You see it's the same data if it's coming from the right great but now you get to be and you think it's exactly the same as that. It's a D. and your visual system tells you it's the same I've worked with young children also recruited to people who've never been to school and they just cannot see that it's different they just don't use the same so this is something that we have to overcome. It's something that's given to us by our visual circuitry but when we recycle circuitry for reading we have to overcome it and it takes time and if it's not dyslexia. Many people thinks that Muriel dyslexia. It's a completely natural feature of brain everybody's brain but it's something that we have to a side good and overturned Redick so I think though he cycling theory helps to understand the relation between our INET circuitry. And how we can go beyond. This has implications. I guess if somebody is trying to learn how to read as an adult while unfortunately with we are finding is that it's much much more difficult. So what you have to imagine these. The van told part of the brain. There is a sheet of cortex it's covered with a specialized digits though. He's one of agent in particular. That's where studied which is specializing faces. But they all those agents that specialize for words some of the specialized for numbers. The specialization can be amazing. So it's not the same area for letters and phone numbers because they play defraud focuses and these areas have to be laid down early ought poverty before puberty again trying to learn as an adult while you use whatever you've learned when you were young but you are not going to be able to completely reorient dispatches of Cortex you going to have to deal with whatever stayed there in at the moment so I think that explains the difficulty these others that are editor rights. They have the hardest time in the were just figuring out than the Dr Different so we sometimes for those of us who have read since we are small children. We may not appreciate the challenge that they're really facing That's very true. I think it's part of the difficulty for teachers. I speak to teachers these day because I became the head of the Scientific Council for Education in France and I think part of the difficulty. Is that when you are an adult when you not on cover your eyes? How difficult learning courses you. Don't go visualize the tricks that Played by your brain and that's You've overcome so you don't see that if not anymore this in particular has given rise to the idea of horrid word reading a whole language reading which we know is wrong from the scientific point of view but it's true that has another you look at their word and unconsciously or of the letters processed at once and you have a feeling of It's not true at the brain ever. We can show that every single letter is being processed. But it's even less true of the chart. The child has absolutely no access to the whole world. It has to decode the letters. Almost one by one left rise and so we know that this is the wrong in tuition on the part of the teacher and we must fight that you know I think consequences of what we know about learning of the brain for education. And that's what I try to propagate any scientific council since this long interview. I'm going to break in here to remind you to listen. Pass the end of the interview for my review of the key ideas and a few brief announcements. I don't want you to miss the details about how you can help. Take brain science to the next level in twenty twenty. I'm planning to release a second expanded edition of my book. Are you sure the unconscious origins of certainty in May twenty twenty? And I WANNA make sure you get a copy of it. As soon as it's released please listen to the end to find out more and I do have quite a few teachers that listen to this show so I wanNA Devote pretty good chunk of time now to the four pillars of learning that you mentioned at the beginning she wanted to sort of take us through those maybe highlight how they're important in this idea of for teachers. Yes although of course. It's a of information so you just hit the high points. Of course. Well I the four pillars. I call them attention. Active engagement feedback and consolidation including sleep. And I call them fillers because each of them is really important in multiplying effect of learning and enhancing the effect of learning so if we learned to manipulate them well we can really enhance learning in pupils but also in our cells so attention the first one. The brain is a fitter at the highest level of processing in the brain. You are Nikon process a small amount of information the obscene formation at the time at the highest level of the country slow so it means that there is a gigantic filter that takes the median of bits of information that riches are ready and decides that on these smaller bodies in boardrooms if attention is misdirected. You're not learning. They surveyed learning in the absence of attention so we need to learn to attempt. We need to focus. We need to avoid destuction on the other hand. It's very helpful thing you know a few items. You'd Hachi clump information information which is already on the corner of your eye on somewhere. On the neck and become the medically amplified and access these global workspace where becomes the focus of countries attention? So might claim. Is that the teachers. Most important talent is today. Heck she dons attention to the appropriate level. They must decide what is important. What is not and this concentrated into extremely ticket. Information for instance there is experimental research which I describe in the book that says that you should not exceedingly decoyed your class whole that the classroom which is to decorator. This tax jiggle thinks that you could attend you. Know and you get these toxic. The same of course applies to the phone or to tablet computer you want to focus not destruction so that's the first pillar. It's a big one. You know they really is very learning in the absence of attention so when a child tells you for instance I don't see this is something that happens in mathematics. Do you see now. I don't see it could be very obstacles. What does it mean? It's very little the children to attend to the appropriate concepts and therefore the simply blind? We can be completely blind in absence of attention. I think your know about the invisible Goldberg Roads. You can go in front of you and not see it because you're not attending so I think it's exactly the same in schools. Some completely harnessed when they say I don't see even though it is you know. Because they haven't learned how to focus their attention the PAPA and we need to guide them so active engagement so active engagement. That's below number two. What do I mean by that? I don't mean that the child was pedaling doing physical exercise. It's been one of the misinterpretations you know what I mean is that the child's brain must be actively engaged acting as a scientist we started with those formulating potus is performing experiments mentor. Expand projecting activity on the extended word hypotheses and selecting among them as opposed to being passive. So we know that is very to learning in a passive organism if you just bombarded Charles Infomation passively not much fun since Dale beauty for experiments. Actually you put an object in front of the Chinese and at the same time there's a loudspeaker in the home that gives the name of the Object Ziada onic even though there is a perfect correlation between the name and the object is essentially running whatsoever though. He's learning when the charges on gauge typically by another person with whom he shares attention and when there is curiosity so I speak a lot about curiosity in the book. I think it's one of the major systems that we need to study at the brain. Never we begin to related to bone it. The human brain in particular has Much evasion system. Which is not just leave and buy food or by sex. It's the Dopamine System. Of course which is a university in the members at least but in our case it's driven by the urge Tudor. We have a system that will give us a discharge of dopamine reward when we can explore new domain when we can ask a new question and get the answer. So curiosity is a fundamental. Property of learning ago is when we to go into foster it. We need to try to avoid to kill it and of course unfortunately scored can kill us. It's if the impression that the teachers knows everything in life to do we sit there so this is the idea of. The child has a curious playful individual who activity on gauges in the Roenick. So again it translate into very direct applications as beautiful research in the class home. Also search rectory showing. That's you shouldn't do magister lecture but it's much better to have the child actively interacting with the teacher for instance being able to ask questions that some teachers that say we should spend half of their lesson weezer question from the learner. There are many ways of course to actively engage the child. Estrogen your idea. I've read a lot about this particular aspect because I become concerned when I'm creating podcast and somebody's just going to be listening to it. Which could theoretically be passive thing but it sounds like the difference or key. Question is is the listener curious. Because if I'm listening to something I'm not interested in. I'm not even going to hear it but if I'm really interested my curiosity is what's going to drive my listening so I think you ought to curious listener to your guest. I think you also onto speaker in your school. Some manages to feed that curiosity by creating mental images by giving examples for instance. One thing that we do you try to Spurlock something in the recent mines and I think there are big differences between teachers in disability to create a an interesting mental image in charge to foster curiosity. Nothing you want. An active charred with engage in uniting hypothesis. But you want the pillow L. feedback in order to select the apotheosis. The another learn popularly. We want to generate hypotheses immediately. Know whether it's true or false works on that where they'd fits the world on so the brain makes a prediction and then must receive an L. signal that tells it whether these predictions correct which we found that the brain level is that a lot of the messages that exchange between binary signals I on. Tcp Did something about music. And then suddenly I hear sour note is nothing to a place and I have to correct mental mother of the middle of the I was. I didn't have the mother of the day. So this is something also that the teachers must know. Send piece is informative feedback. Signals does nothing to his punishment. It has nothing to his grades. Which are you know? Summary statements that are not informative precise feedback about what went right and what went wrong and how you can go. I see this in medicine where we started to the things we use for our continuing medical education now are designed to give us immediate feedback of whether our answer was right or wrong so we actually learn instead of just doing some activity. That's intended to fill some box. Yes yes so. There is in fact beautiful experimental research again on this. So suppose you of two hours to learn something. Should you just spend two hours revising in the text book studying the text book? Maybe you put some color on it. You know all right. Should you have some serious study and some periods? Where you test yourself. And he's not completely trivial because when you test yourself of course you don't study so you lose time in a certain sense so when the experiment was done the experiment is asked teachers with other addictions. And say well you should study. You know the more you study the better. You are where he's not true. What is true. Is that if you test yourself you better? Why because when you test your sense you get these off feedback. You'd know that there are some items that were right then. You don't need to advise them again but there you also that there are some that where you were wrong. It's important to test yourself not immediately but after a little periods because we just started the information is still in your working memory memory so you have the impression of knowing but this is not the right memory system. It's not the one that you're going to need in the long run the next day. So if you had just five minutes or ten minutes and you test yourself you realize that in fact you don't know and then you can correct yourself. You get the feedback that goes to your mental level. I tried to explain to teach us that. This has nothing to do with bad grades that they something to avoid which is punishment to survey negative effect on learning we old freeze and learning algorithm stops if we are under stress on negative feedback. So you want to have just a non penetrative assessment of what was right and which was wrong. What if he punished a baby? That was learn how to walk every time at fell. That would not end. Well Yes yes and then so. Many teachers know that of course then. I think my favorite example is music. Learning MUSIC. Teachers usually no. It's completely normal. The first time you tried to play an instrument not trying but they also know that is appropriate at fault and day after the training you will get there and I think this is the notion of patience. Resilience and effort thinks that we need to bring to all of the different forms of learning experiences reading in the classroom. So this is leading tree to a false pillar which is consolidation. It's not enough to just learn. You need to consolidate you need to monetize. Learning must be tansferred. Calm the country's compartments the country's global workspace to a non conscious compartment. This is absolutely essential. Because you need to free the resources of the CORTEX in particular the prefrontal cortex for other learning so When you begin to learn something you'll mental resources are absolutely touched Maybe you can give an example Lima Beauvais where when I started to drive a car. And maybe you. You'll remember this catastrophe Kasey in Europe. We have to learn to drive a stick shift. So he's also the hands out doing lots of things as well as the feed and you have to watch in the middle and the guy next to you speaking to you and it's horrible. Your Punter Cortex is completely overloaded. Just wait a few hours. Fueled I sir twenty cents. Per Hobson you come back at. It's completely different. The learning of how to move the feet and the hands become a Thomas is and You feel much more at ease. You've learned essentially to tomatoes a lot of activities and then you can think about something like listening listening to the radio corrupts so it's just an example to show your important to. Mott is what is fantastic is that we begin to know how it works. And when important aspects of how it works he's sleep. Sleep is a key moment of learning. This is absolutely non trivial. I think we all think that when we sleep we just test but that's not true. Our brain doesn't dressed our brain learns very actively and we begin to see it in brain imaging so at the new hole or level so when we sleep what has been discovered. What first of all the psychologist made a discovery the psychologist discovers that you could learn something ad nauseam during the day maybe for CEO for hours maybe video game winstons. And there's a point where you don't get better. You'll reach an import and you just stay there. You go to sleep and the next morning. You haven't practiced anything but next morning. You are better this just an experimental findings so it looks like the period of sleep some all made you better and then in your scientists made the discovery then your scientists found that in fact. The brain is been rehearsing during the night. This was fun in the Rut Festival. They found that the neurons that were firing during the day actually fired again during the night in precisely the same sequence and the same neurons that had been excavating join today in a particular period of learning. So for instance. Hot maybe was exploring. Amaze there was a very precise pattern of activity of the place cells that each new has a certain place. And so when you moving amaze displaces get activated in the secrets. Where during the night vase? Same Yawns activated in the very same sequence with one difference was that they were activated MMA trustor and therefore many more times. The brain was replaying the activation billups fifteen times twenty times faster and this is a way to rehearse during the night without even being conscious of there have been many many studies of this including in humans weekend for instance enhance district late and then the brain learns better if you have deeper sleep and more carriers of these sleeps when these movie blade and you'll have better learning. They are companies that try to enhance the sleep in various ways. And then you get better learning so I think this is an absolutely essential element for parents and teachers and for all of us in fact by sleeping well we can enhance their learning. Doesn't matter what time of day we do. The original learning. It doesn't seem to also does not matter when we sleep. So for instance experiments but naps and not sold so important and they have a consolidation effect. It does matter at what age you to it. So once again she lorna advantaged. There is one study where the effects of the same amount of sleep. One Night of sleep is scary times larger in young Chila so you see how important it is and we know of course that babies and young children must sleep longer. It's much more important for them. Because they'll learning more. In fact there is evidence. Voice south of homeostasis. So when you of learning during the day you have to sleep more during the night. It's a wonderfully all good I system but we just need to be more aware of it because many of us you know loose sleep we get distracted by TV or by series or by the computer and when we do sleep we also lose some ability to three date yeah. I think that that's one piece a practical information we can all use. Oh yes and also I want to say we make discoveries during sleep. It's not just his for scientists. You know so first of all. This has been proven by experiments. It's true that the brain will make discoveries during sleep but we all do in fact. Children make discoveries find since about the meaning of words during sleep. They have experienced a few words during the day. But the generalize. They placed a word in the context. They understand multiple meanings of some words. Join the night and when they wake up the next day they have consolidated their learning of the word. So Stan how do you think you learn all this stuff about how babies learn and how it changes our brain? What kind of impact are these discoveries having on on our general understanding of the human brain wow I think it's one of the essential part of humans first of all? This is one of the most exciting areas of study. You know in your science how learn I also think that it has an impact on how we you ever cells? As period of childhood is one of the most important kids for shaping of human mind is a period where you need to end the rich the environment because the amount of enrichment of the environment shapes will we are basically and the human brain Especially in this respect. It's absorbing much more from others in body Kudos from the social environment. I think this means that we have a special responsibility for children. We need to provide them with the best possible environment. Join these blessed period where they earning. I say that because I think weekends did improve alert. You know first of all. We must provide Chilean ways. The appropriate language. There is Jodi for experiment that they explained in the book that showed that the amount of chided acted language that is received by chart as a direct impact on the Organization of the brain networks for language and we know that there are huge differences function of social economic status when she learned You know are preparing to learn to read and this whatever determinant effect on their ability to tweet fast and all the rest of the school so a we have a big responsibility here and it's just the environment as providing stimuli for learning but also providing the appropriate biology corvette yours the vitamins oxygenation sleep the lack of poisons such as Alcoa for instance. There's a whole environment for healthy brain to end up Timothy. I mentioned article because we know that exposure to out Gordon you travel as domestic effects on the ability of the Chart Brain to develop papa in this. We'd have lifelong effects in the book. Give other examples Comic example of children in is higher who were deprived those specific vitamin and yours later even though they were deprived for just a few weeks years later this TWA bill moons in their language areas of the brain which system so that he's very precise systems that needs to be well fed boasts intellectually and also physically at the same time. That is a fantastic resilience. And that's also the message of the book you know. There is this ability to learn means that we can overcome some of the early insoles of life and it also means that learning is much talk than we think. We haven't talked about that. Indicates Speaker not about patients? The LESIONS FOR INSTANCE. We've done experiments on people who are blind who become proficient or mathematician. So you can be completely blind and yet have completely normal ideas about abstract concepts of mathematics. It means that we overestimate the sensory aspect of what we do. The brain is projecting. The type with this isn't GonNa go hacked full missing inflammation even the missing modality of vision. I also studied. Their child was top. Logic and blind and divert up completely normal language WTI to do mental imagery and write stories and so on so forth. So I think he's Bosa sense of resilience but also a sense of responsibility and feeding. This little brain was the most appropriate information. Well I hope that lots of people will read. This book is full of really exciting stuff. What else would you like to share before we close? I think we've talked about so many ideas. Not SURE IF ANYTHING LEFT. I maybe I would like to conclude. Perhaps with going back to the idea of artificial intelligence. I don't mean to say that artificial intelligence is a doom project. Not at all. I think that in fact I see no reason why the human brain could not be copied and some of these algorithms could not be copied innovation. We are little machines but with I tried to sign. The book is that the baby is the most incredible machine so far it is the best supercomputer in the world and we must respect that in your study it in other to have been the machines in the end. Do you have any advice for students that are interested in going into science? Well I think there is a lot of advice in the book about how they should go about learning. But that's the most important for scientists quite peculiar job. You know I would say the most important descaler yesterday. You must have the spark that makes you curious about anything. Sciences a lot of focus about. Thanks that look very trifle to other people you know you spent scale for years on the PhD. Which is already my PhD. Compare number with another. How do you decide that foy smaller than fire? And so most people look at me and they say well you know. I just know that for smaller than five. How'd you know you know? How does he work in the brain? You have to be interested focused and Julius about all sorts of sex I think this is the key creditor. Yeah one of the things I try and you have done a great job of sharing this. Today is the idea. That science isn't a bunch of static. Facts keep talked about how school can ruin curiosity. I think it's incredible. At least the IT's taught in the United States that anyone becomes a scientist may based on the way that science has taught in school because they make it so boring. Well it's not always case I think the US education a some qualities which is to Make the Child Away. Happy about going to school and feeling so owned they'd by exciting you know he'd formation. I may be missing MRS debating but It seems to me that this is a problem. The tweet facing the scores in France If we don't get international comparisons like the visa studies by the OCD. We find that in factual in France. more like key to say. I think that the teacher does not help me. The teacher is not there to help me. Small sanction me so they asked some quantities. I think to the US education which is disability to foster on Tuesdays and confidence in Shiva. Of course this student needs to build out of legal was studying and maybe that could be improved. Well I'm looking forward to sharing this with my listeners and I would love to have you to come back someday and talk some more about your work with consciousness because that's a fascinating area. I read your book the Reading Brain and of course consciousness in the brain. I'm hoping to get is it. Andrew Neater is that the right pronunciation although I asked neater yes absolutely. Yeah he has a new book out to on number a number. Yeah so I'm hoping to get him on soon. Well that's a very good idea. His His Superb. We've collaborated on somebody views of the number field. He's book is a sort of a big update on my book for many years ago. The number sets and it's much more specific about how neurons in the brain and code number which I think is a fascinating discovery. That's what I'm hoping for but I would love to have you back on some day. So today I wanNA thank stanislas to haunt for taking the time to talk with us about his new book how we learn. Why brains learn better than any machine for now. I think how we learn will be of special interest to students teachers and parents as well as anyone who aspires to be a lifelong learner. It's definitely assessable to readers of all backgrounds before I review the key ideas from today's interview. I want to reflect on how this interview affected me personally and how this relates to my aspirations to take brain science to the next level in twenty twenty as I listened to Dr to Hong Talk About his passion for bringing his work into the world of education. I realized that I have a similar goal for brain science almost every day. I get an email from a listener. Telling me how the PODCAST has impacted their life. Sometimes in surprising ways for example a few days ago I got a message from a listener. Who told me that brain science is helping him cope with signs of early onset? Dementia emails like this reinforced my conviction that understanding the basics of neuroscience matters to how people live their lives for years. I have resisted putting the content of rain science into book form because I felt that I could not afford another time consuming project that was unlikely to generate much income but last year. I realized that there are too many people who need this information. That may never listen to a podcast. Sure I want to sell books and attract new listeners but I want to keep an eye on the real goal helping other people by sharing knowledge that I know will make their lives better. This is where you come in. I'm counting on you to help me reach more people by sharing your own stories about why neuroscience matters to you. I be talking more about this in the coming months but for now. I will mention that the expanded second edition of. Are you sure the unconscious origins of certainty will be coming out in? May Twenty twenty. I will announce the exact date at least a month in advance since my publisher says that if we sell two hundred copies on the first day we can hit number one in neuroscience with your help. I think this is a very reachable goal. One small thing that you can do today is join the brain science podcast group on good reads by going to brain science forum dot com. Let's finish up by reviewing a few key ideas from today's interview. The main idea is that babies are not blank slates. They are born with some innate knowledge. Such as assumptions about objects and even a number sense that includes the ability to judge simple probabilities. They are also prodigious learners partly because their brains are incredibly plastic. Doctor pointed out that every second to three million synapses change in the baby's brain. There is mounting evidence that the human brain uses something that resembles basins statistics which means that it uses its prior knowledge to make predictions and then it adjusts predictions based on what actually occurs to haunt babies as little scientists. You're constantly experimenting. Think of this next time you watch a baby repeatedly drop or throw objects on the floor. We also talked a bit about why babies are actually better learners than our current computers. Computers require huge data sets to learn while babies learn with as little as one exposure. Language is the prototypical example of this. There's also a social aspect to the way babies learn. They know dog trying to teach them and they can tell what the adults are paying attention to also as humans were able to describe what we have learned and use language both to share and learn more. This is a form of bootstrapping are learning. The bottom line is that computers only emulate the unconscious aspects of human learning for example objects recognition software emulates. The I two hundred fifty milliseconds the unconscious object recognition part but it struggles with things like re constructing an object that is excluded behind. Something else another important idea is the neuronal recycling hypothesis. This is the idea that learning new skills involves repurposing brain areas. That evolved for something else again. Reading is the best example because there's lots of evidence that when we learn to read we repurpose parts of the CORTEX set our previously dedicated to object recognition and one of the things that we have is something called in variants. Where when we look it something or its Mirror Image. We see it as the same thing. This is actually a challenge when you learn how to read because for example the letter B. and the letter D. are mirror images of each other and can be hard to tell apart for beginning reader. It's not dyslexia. It's actually overcoming. Our default object in variance assumption. It's also one of the things that makes it hard for adults to learn to read. He pointed out that sometimes people that are adults when they learned to read never can see the difference between a B. entity understanding how a brain learns to read makes it clear. Why so called whole word? Reading doesn't work for beginning readers. Scientists have shown that the brain actually codes every letter but because the process becomes auto matic. We have the illusion that we read each word as a whole but this won't work for the beginning reader because they decoding hasn't become automatic yet. They still need to read every letter. This brings us to the main theme of today's conversation the importance of using what sciences revealing to improve the way. We teach both adults and children. That's why the Han wants to emphasize what he calls. The four pillars of learning. These are attention. Active engagement error feedback and consolidation. I'M NOT GONNA go into these in any detail but I will mention that we talked about how important sleep is for consolidation and when it comes to era feedback. I was really startled to learn the evidence that you actually learn better when you do frequent self-testing compared to just extensively reviewing I think that's a piece of information that any of you that our students ought to put into use. This episode is full of information that will be useful to teachers parents students and lifelong learners. I want to encourage you to share it with others and to read how we learn. Why brains learn better than any machine for now by stanislas to Hong. 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Everything in moderation: YouTube
"This economists podcast is sponsored by linked in jobs. Hello and welcome to the intelligence on economist radio. I'm your host. Jason Palmer every weekday. We provide a fresh perspective on the events shaping your world. While gun deaths have dropped dramatically in big American cities such as New York and Los Angeles the murder rate in Chicago has remained stubbornly high spiking in two thousand sixteen a new program is working to reduce the violence by drawing lessons from west African research. And once upon a time in lands far far away there, lived kings and queens, lots of them these days there are far fewer monarchies in the world, but stories like this weekend's coronation of Thailand's, new king or big news. What made so many monarchies disappeared? And what's to be learned from those? They're left. But I. In two thousand and five when YouTube was new there wasn't much to see closely home, videos pratfalls and a few intrepid video bloggers since then it's become the free television service for much of the world. Now, it's owned by Google and more than two billion people. Visit the site at least once a month, the volume on offer of entertainment education information, and well wasted time this hard to fathom it would take a hundred thousand years to watch all of it. But with YouTube incredible growth have come the challenges of moderating the dark side of its content. We've just got the first message about the New Zealand massacre not long after began around eight PM at her home in northern California. Gutty Epstein is our media editor so these salts onto mosques in Christchurch had begun. Maybe fifteen twenty minutes earlier, the shooter had livestream that killings on Facebook and footage from Facebook was being shared on YouTube as the killer at clearly hoped MS Lewinsky is the CEO of you too. So she checked in with her team because she had an incident commander that was already at work at the time content reviewers around the world, the world's largest video platform was mobilized to cleanse itself of this Ariffin shooting video, but they failed before she went to bed at one AM, MS what just was still able to find the video new versions were being uploaded more quickly than they could be identified and taken down. And finally at six o'clock in the morning as she decided to remove all videos flag suspect without waiting for a human to look at it. That was a first for you too. So. I got to tell us about meeting her I met Susan with just key at the YouTube headquarters in San Bruno two times over the course of a week. I can probably imagine. And I just came back from Asia. I was in Korea Japan to talk about how YouTube is confronting these issues with content moderation. And so what was the response to that? I mean, how confidence is miss which is key. That's YouTube can handle the challenge. She expressed a surprising amount of confidence. I think in some ways I've trained for this my whole career, and I say surprising because I certainly don't think that that confidence is justified by recent performance in the last couple years. They seem to have been responding and reacting to problems that come up that are pointed out by journalists by activists, and exposed I by outsiders, and the platform has just grown way too big and unwieldy there's five hundred hours of new video uploaded every minute in all languages around the world that they need to have people who can speak the language in who can review videos that last for not just minutes, but sometimes hours, and then they have to shape rules around what kind of content they should allow and shouldn't all of that is such a massive challenge of this kind of scale that it strikes me that it's a bit foolhardy to be confident that you can. Solve this program. At least I think I can provide a blueprint about how to address these issues that no one else has figured out. And she uses the word solve I will solve it. And that would be a great legacy to leave. So I mean, a situation where I have to solve it will why. And how particularly does she think that she can solve it? Then if it is this this problem of such an enormous scale. I think the rhetoric that she uses is worryingly familiar if you've heard Mark Zuckerberg, maybe eighteen months ago, express, similar confidence about Facebook's ability to tackle this problem that it's going to take a it will take time. But that this this kind of thing can be solved. Now, Mark Zuckerberg has has backed off of that kind of rhetoric, and he is now decided to basically embrace government regulation and say can be rules of the road to play by. How does miss just feel about regulation herself? She. She says that she will comply and they do comply with whatever regulations governments come up with. And who would say, otherwise, right? What she says though, she's not waiting for regulators to fix this problem. We're trying to solve it now. And if regulation comes in, and they want to be specific about how they wanna talk like wool comply. We'll do our best to consult tell them over hardy down and comply. She also says they don't understand these companies and how they operate the way people inside these companies do they just don't have the know-how. So they wouldn't know precisely where to look and what to ask for there. Not also experts. They're they're not experts in these systems either. And so it's it's hard for them to know exactly what to tell us to do. They can only say things like have the content down within one hour or don't be in this category. Right. And but there's there's a lot in between that is really useful for us to do. And we're doing that. So she feels that the companies are best situated to fix the. Problem themselves that they have the know how and what they just have to do is build up the policies. Consult with experts tightened restrictions wisely. And then enforce it as she says fairly and consistently across the entire platform. And that of course would have to be with the help of artificial intelligence. And that's that's where you know. I think there's reason to question whether that's really even possible another one of the sticking points in in discussions around. The stuff has always been the degree to which you know, who gets to make decisions on what's allowed, and what's not. And how that sometimes crashes hard up against issues of free speech. What's miss would just feeling on that MS was just getting the end the other major Texier Silicon Valley take of you that the first amendment basically applies to their platforms. I mean, doesn't literally do so, but they believe that their platform should be opened for free expression. So and then they work backwards from there, you know, imposing restrictions on certain voices, especially as they become quite controversial. Just last week Facebook Instagram took this pretty big step of banning several big voices of the right, which is a step that they would have said a year ago that they don't wanna take because they want to allow free speech on their platforms, MS which is in the position now having decide whether to match that kind of decision, what's your view? Then what do you think you should be doing to to sort of dress these problems or get get out ahead of these problems? One of the reasons I really wanted to talk with these executives. I talked to Susan Witkin. I also talked to five other YouTube executives was to get a sense of whether they really want to rethink fundamentally their platform because of the fact that it's so difficult to manage it scale, do you allow everything to be uploaded by default and viewable by default by billions of people around the world and spread it outgrew, the Mickley recommendations the way they do. And it's quite clear that they have no intention of altering that fundamental business model, which of course. Generates quite a lot of revenue estimated to have taken in maybe close to seventeen billion dollars last year. There are questions that critics rate is like should content be reviewed before it's uploaded directly to the platform that kind of call would really change how you to and these other platforms work and a fundamental way that we have not confronted, and I'm not suggesting that that's the solution. But we should be open to the idea that maybe we haven't gone about this the right way. Thank you very much for joining us. Great to be with you. The right hire can make a huge impact on your business. And with seventy percent of the US workforce on linked in posting on linked in is the best way to get your job opportunity in front of more of the right people. Find the people who are qualified for your role and ready for something. New to get started head to link dot com slash intelligence and get fifty dollars off your first job post. That's linked in dot com slash intelligence to get fifty dollars off your first job post, Lincoln dot com slash intelligence. Terms and conditions apply. Policy responses to social problems can sometimes come from unexpected places. Recently. The city of Chicago has been taking some lessons from war torn Africa on how to deal with violent crime. She has seen some of the worst on violence in America in the pulse. Twenty years alone over fourteen thousand people have been murdered Adam Roberts is midwest. Correspondent as a big city. There is no place in America that has client the level of violence that you see in Chicago last year, for example, more people were killed in Chicago than in Los Angeles and New York combined. We're in the state of emergency in my community. We got a babies dying every day, this enorm- you hear gunfire. It's a norm. They his sobbing because there's nothing else for them to do. The rate of shooting in this city. You can go through the roof and in two thousand sixteen it was a specially bad. In two thousand sixteen Chicago saw a huge upsurge in gun violence. There were seven hundred sixty two murders that year an increase of fifty eight percent on the prior year. The reasons remain unclear. In the aftermath of that terrible year. The city experts Don profit groups, they got together to try to think what can the city do to bring the violence down and one idea that academe IX and experts put forward was to take a lesson from the west African state of Liberia which had suffered from fifteen years of civil war. And to say is this something you can learn from the young men who came out of that wall and who were taught to be less violent. So tell me about the research that came out of Liberia, well, the my Marion scheme began organically, it was a effort by young activists to work with these former soldiers and to give them some training in how to live a normal life that evolved into an academic study or about a thousand young men were recruited some of them were given cash. Some of them were given training and skills and others will give them both. And then they were studied for a year. And the researchers found that those who can given a little bit of cash and some training where the least likely to be. Involved in crime year later, and so how does that manifest then in Chicago program, some Chicago, these nonprofits to program called ready and ready works as in Liberia with the young men seemed to be the most at risk of turning to violence, and they were approached and asked do you want to have the chance to learn some basic skills and to have a job and a thousand of them roughly were brought in seven hundred km participants and for the past eighteen months ready has been lurking with these young men to try to teach them how to resist when someone provokes them the sort of basic skills. The bull get him to move away from pulling triggers, and you met some of the participants in the program. What did they tell you about their lives before the program? So I spent time on the south side of Chicago in the basement of YMCA where these guys meet, and I sat down with some of them one young man told me about the terrifying violence that is just a daily occurrence in his life. On show. Rob being the face today later. Sharma pillar born in into. She got shot at times easily in one incidence. He told me about how he was shot, and he even died and was brought back to life by medics. Does she saw did they can't work? One in law and my little one, and they still live in constant fear for their lives. One young man told me he was so concerned about being shot that even brings to guns to bed with him at night, you going on you. What the fuck two girls. Two. You got two guns. All your man to them. Wanna be? And so what do these these men want for their lives? Now, many talk about just wanting to have a peaceful life to have normal functioning life mas- while Waco, a low. These men no way, go Sam family smile. Actually, they actually happen. Not happy. You know what I'm saying? He knows eight just as once attained. I just wanna do some good. I said. Said one of the big attractions of the ready scheme is the chance for them to get a regular honest income and the opportunities they getting really inspire some of them. They're really hopeful that they can move out. And so it seems clear to you that the ready program is making a difference for them. We'll Yanic does they give me suggests that they aren't finding new ways to function on the streets and new opportunities that take them beyond this violent path. One of the ten leaks is really about controlling the temper, this is summed up as something called CAD or cat, which stands for control old delete, which is control your temper, and essentially alter your behavior and woman, I spoke to gave me a great example of how he used the technique of CAD when he was robbed by some gunman their moment catches problem into my airline. No, I know wash it like Joe old leaf awfully awfully value with the situation roof as I did. And I'm just like it were. Worked like, no illegi word. I you say. Not only did he say probably say near to this is hard. Think of. He was amazingly excited that he had saved his life. And he had been able to get me on violence as a tool for dealing with confrontation. I mean, it seems clear that the programs made a difference at least for some of these people that you spoken to. But, but what about more broadly would we know about the program's sort of overall success? What we don't know we won't know until the end of this year is statistically, whether it is made them safer made the city safer than is. Otherwise would have been already within the ready group five young men have been killed in the past eighteen months as a control group of young men who are also being monitored who are not part of the ready program, and they'll be a comparison role and see who has the best outcomes of the end of the year. And what about the surgeon murders from twenty sixteen has the homicide rates stayed high has changed at all. Well, luckily for Chicago, the home aside right has fallen in the last two years and nobody's exactly sure why that might partly because of the efforts like ready to bring down the rate, they're all sorts of other possible explanations. But the trends are getting better in Chicago. But not near as good as big cities, like New York in Los Angeles. Well, why is that though I mean? That seems like a problem that has been more directly addressed and and successfully so in places like New York and Los Angeles. Why is it still such a problem in Chicago? The problem of Congo depends on who you ask when I taught around the manual, the outgoing mayor he blames it all on the availability of guns come in from the rest of it in in from neighboring states, but others say in fact, the greater problem is that the city just hasn't taken violence seriously enough one crucial example of this is that Chicago only very recently set up a dedicated office to bring the violence down, whereas New York and Los Angeles for many years of had a centralized system. Chicago is neglected that. And people say the reason is is such segregated city and the violence mostly affects African Americans. And if you look at the statistics, Chicago has lost over two hundred thousand African Americans who have fled the city since the beginning of the century and most of their fleeing the violence and the accusation against people like Rahm Emanuel. Is he didn't take that concern seriously enough? Adam thanks very much for your time. Thank you. This weekend. Thailand coronated king Maha Fisher along corn. But it wasn't just a celebration. It's also potentially a turning point for the monarchy. The king's father was known for his thoughtful, quiet leadership. King along corn by contrast has had a lurid personal life and quirky rule. As crown prince he made his poodle, foo foo and Air Chief Marshal, meanwhile in Britain, the duchess of Sussex previously known as Megan Markle and her husband Prince, Harry will have their first child any day now, the British and Thai Royal families are changing each in its own way. Invent monarchy today, and it's a pretty absurd system number Dunkin is social policy at its at the economist at the core of it. You got succession shrew inheritance through the family, and that's a system that really seems more likely to produce people with congenital defects than intelligent figure. Heads for the nation. I mean after all monarchy is based in many monarchy's will only have male as its classes, and it's pretty racist. Because most of the monarchy's in western countries are white families. So it's not a system that is in tune with modern times tool and given all that how did monarchy as a as an institution make it through the twentieth century with the world changing around it. Well, if this one on his only just because monarchy, particularly true Europe, crumble desert Zell to revolutions and wars threat the twentieth century so about than there will always be. If you were if you're monarchy's until there are non you think? No because empty interesting happened this century, which is the decline has has stalled. So through the twentieth century, you get this collapse. And then it bottoms out. So there's a capital go this century Samoa Nebi noticed. Napoles? There was a murderous prince who killed nine members of his family, and the whole thing collapsed after that but side from that we seem to have seem to reach a stable point where we have fully full monarchy's left in the world. So how to those monarchies manage to survive mostly by giving up power? So in developed countries, the monarchy's that survive are constitutional monarchy's that are almost entirely powerless, and then some others kung on in the Gulf, for instance, because they have lots of money, and they could pay they could pay their populations generous welfare handouts to the population to keep them happy, and they could pay for a hefty well-paid security forces to keep brightest then and one of the reasons that we don't see any further decline. I believe is that democracy has has hit a rocky. Patch? So through the twentieth century, it seemed that democracy was the end of history of like Francis Fukuyama put it, but as we know many parts of the world democracy has encountered difficulties monarchy's looking kind of not such bad option in those sects, for instance, in the Arab spring, the monarchy's did better than the republic's. Not just the rich ones in the Gulf. But also Morocco in Jordan, you say skilled people, but must necessarily be sort of benevolent people would never been rulers. Yeah. The character of of the Mona cts and attitudes the role, I think he's pretty crucial. So if you look Japan and Britain Yuka, two minutes who've been on the throne for decades, and who if you like subsume their own interest, very clearly in into those of the institution and then nation and indeed the late tie. King too. Although his political position was more powerful because of the strange relationship with the military and therefore more contentious if you like he has an individual was revered by his people, he was very religious, very moral guy. And we go run the countryside inspecting rural development programs, and he was widely dude by the people, and that's not something that you see in his successor. Who is to be Kranj shortly who doesn't even live in Thailand, he lives in Germany. He has mistresses and illegitimate children scattered around the world and his exploits have been shared on social media, and in a very quietly because ties on understandably scared of Liz measures to laws which often, you know. Lead to jail sentences very quietly there is there's discontent muttered in Thailand about his behavior and questions really being raised about how long this this institution will survive in charge of somebody like him rather than his father will what about the broader question of how many monarchy's the world will see the the sort of decline has stalled do you think do you think that's the sort of the baseline amount of monarchy in the world. Baseline a main monarchy in the world if the incumbent monarchs manage their positions. Well, it's an incredibly difficult job to do. We've had some people who really knew their business and those who don't know their business. They will lose their jobs and the institutions will crumble, Emma. Thank you very much for joining us. Very well. That's all for this episode of the intelligence if you like us give a rating on apple podcasts, and you can subscribe to the economist at economist dot com slash radio offer, twelve issues for twelve dollars or twelve pounds. See Becker tomorrow.
Kingpins Daily: John Gotti
"This is kingpins. Apar- podcast original. I'm and I'm kate every day in. May We're featuring a quote by an iconic crime figure teaching us in their own words what it takes to survive in the underworld today. We're going back to the formative years. If New York's most ruthless crime boss John Gotti growing up poor in blue collar Brooklyn go quickly learns the only currency he had was fear. God He received a crash course. In the power of violence. As a teenage member of the Fulton. Rockaway Boys Gang. His street experience helped him develop a philosophy that led him to greatness thirty years later when he was the head of the Gambino Crime Family. He remarked to an old friend. I never lie because I don't fear anyone. You only lie. When you're afraid gutty cooled. Phyllis nece the old school. Mafia would call recklessness when John Gotti was still battling teen tufts on the streets of Brooklyn the leaders of the Cosa Nostra were quietly taking over New York City in the old days. Mafiosos conducted their business and back rooms and ballot-boxes careful to keep a low profile and not make themselves a target but was never content to stay in the shadows. He made his name. As a feared enforcer for the Gambino crime family and worked his way up through murder and brutality using the skills he honed on the streets. Gotti soon took control of the entire operation in Nineteen seventy-six Carlo. Gambino died of a heart attack. Under normal circumstances his underboss and Yellow Della Crochet would take over but Gambino named his own brother-in-law Paul Castellano as the new boss of the Family. Gaudy was upset. He was a CALICO under Della Croce and felt a deep loyalty for the spurned underboss. And Castellano didn't do himself any favors Castellano della Croce to remain on as underboss. While taking the power that rightfully belonged to him he prohibited drug dealing which severely impacted Guardian Delic roaches income seeing Castellano disrespect for and destroy his business. Gotti decided something had to change on December sixteenth. Nineteen eighty-five pool. Castellano had a meeting at the sparks. Steak House on East Forty Sixth Street as John. Gotti watched from his car. Castellano arrived in a Black Lincoln sedan parked and stepped out a team. Assassins opened fire in the street. Cutting Castellano down easily. With semiautomatic pistols moments later Gaudy crew slowly by to confirm cast Delano was dead in one soaked night Gotti Kopf down to place for himself at the top. Castellano was gone and now gutty was the head of the Gambino crime family. The Mafia's long lasting power came from one thing. It's secrecy but he never liked to hide who he was. As the new boss Gotti wanted to live large he started wearing expensive. Italian suits and silk ties. He would walk out of the Rave Knights. Social Club in front of lines of tourists casually discussing griff te racketeering and murder with his associates. Vo Godley was tried three times during his first five years running the family. The charges never stuck tabloids called him the Teflon Don Gotti made it to the top through intimidation violence and murder. He created an empire of fear and he didn't care who was paying attention in his own words. He wasn't going to be another back door dawn but sooner rather than later. Gaudi's out in the open. Business Practices were his undoing. The wolves came crashing down when the FBI bugged the Ravens. Social Club Gory. Detail daily briefings with his cappos became a smorgasbord of evidence for the federal government. Gaudy was arrested at the rave night in December nineteen ninety after a sensational trial on April Second. Nineteen Ninety two. He was convicted for conspiracy gambling tax fraud obstruction of justice and five counts of murder from Brooklyn black tops. To Little Italy Suffolk Club's John Gotti lived by his words. He slashed and burned a route to the top murdering anyone who stood in his path. He builds a kingdom of fear while refusing to compromise who he was but his actions had consequences in by the end of the nineties. The mob is guarding. Knew it was gone. Hundreds of mafiosos either became informants or were convicted by the federal government. It just goes to show when you're running criminal empire. Maybe honesty is an always the best policy. Thanks for listening. We'll be back tomorrow. With another quote you can find more episodes of kingpins for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts.
Episode 73: Luahan Metaforikal #7
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Strategic Quitting in eCommerce businesses
"Hey this is. John lee dumas e o fire. And you're listening to amazing. Fb with the marvelous michel visi amazing. Fbi is geared to uk. European and australian amazon sells the standard podcast for those who are just starting out at also for those who are in business but need some tactical help with specific things. Today's episode is sponsored by the new e commerce. Podcast the ecommerce leader posted by myself and jason miles highest-rated ecommerce instructor. If you own a thriving online business. I want to be the best lee you can. It's got your name on it. Hello there it's michael visa from amazing. Fb welcome back to the show. Vince lombardi said quitters. Never win and winners never quit. I think that is quite wrong today. I want to talk about why lombardi was so wrong. And why quitting can a powerful strategic action that underpins massive success. Yes you heard rights. Quitting can be one of the most powerful positive things we ever do in our lives and businesses. What i hear you exclaim well let me explain. Commerce is exploding at the moment and that means that many of us have crazy. Numbers posted all the time by palestinian amazon economists. Generally we're very aware thought those of us who are privileged to be members of groups and communities of serious sellers meaning real communities by the way of people know each other not thousand person facebook groups. We are seeing our colleagues because bloating. I thought the lucky position in the tank. Collective moss minded of observing over. The last three years has several of them. Ems businesses have grown from a million dollar run rate to triple that before q. Full even cakes in and we've even witnessed one mendes muster the eight figure run rate ceiling and at a healthy profit not just meaningless review now. These results are very impressive and the entrepreneurial energy strategy and street smarts behind that impressive. But i think that behind the very clear perseverance and stamina on hardwood this takes to achieve such results. There is some experiments that were less certain less impressive. An experiment is really a polite way of saying finding out what works which ends up looking like an overnight. Spectacular success takes a lot of trying things. That didn't work. Danger in such situations is to take the wrong lessons from the very impressive activities of the entrepreneurs sometimes coast the entrepreneurs themselves are not aware of the reasons for our own success yes. Perseverance energy and focus obviously critical in la challenging activity. Business spoke before spring to mind of which i've experienced classical music and london sits wells in my past life and more recently business stops growth companies all take a huge amount of persevering through difficulty. No question also. Money is important. Particularly of course in business but persevering with walt using energy for what things focusing on which things and spending money on which areas i know for a fact that one of the businesses that smashed the eight figure mark. Recently that i've personally worked with would never have got. If they hadn't stopped persevering with a business model the business used to run. That was pretty much broken. That hasn't stopped putting energy into failing of doing things. The hadn't in other words quit a lot of things. So that's why today i wants to talk about quitting. It's very unsexy topic. It's even seen as something a bit shameful and it's even kind of heretical. If you believe in the american dream as a kind of almost religion for entrepreneurs and yet i think it's a very important topic a not talking about quitting in the face of difficulty challenge or pain. That's clearly not the road to success. Why don't talking about as a concept called strategic quitting for which. I thank Gordon the wonderful. Seth godin quitting is a bit like this is a photographic negative of succeeding the opposite of succeeding. What it does is make mental space focus energy money available for other things. I don't want to relate this idea of strategic quitting from seth godin book the dip to ecommerce and. I don't think we can talk about that without another one. A seth godin his favorite concepts the idea of a sunk costs which is repeatedly discussed in his post akimbo on his blog amongst other things. And i think these two concepts of strategic quitting and sunk costs are so incredibly relevant to people selling amazon. The i really want to get this message across. I'm going to quote a lot. From seth godin because i think he says things beautifully. He's incredible writer and i hope that's not taking by him if he finds out about this as disrespectful. I would love to get him on the podcast. Some point on to do so. But i want to relate some of this stuff to e commerce because i think it will save you my beloved listener. So this podcast where he comes in three parts first of all. I want to talk about the work. By cisco didn't around sunk costs. Which i think is a simple but really difficult concept simple but difficult can go together by the way simple to grasp really difficult to implement. Sunk costs the second thing. Is seth guidance concept from the book of the dip of strategic quitting and then the said area is what. I'm going to try and tie these together into few simple ecommerce examples that i become light i will go to if you haven't come across his before. I really think if nothing else to this podcast introduce you to him or reminds you to read his work in any form. Read or listen to his work than i've done you a huge favor. Seth godin an amazing business leader and a thought leader. The woods thought leader is much abused. There are lots of people. He called himself thought leaders in my experience. Most people call themselves. Leaders are in fact thought followers. They shout loudly about one concept that somebody else told him a while ago. We haven't really thought. About since. Honestly i guess i had to classify myself as a thought follower now. I think that's okay. We have our place. But i'm trying to connect you to the work of true thought leader. I would say seth godin has one hundred percent and the title of thought leader. So here's what i take from. Seth godin blog post about sunk. Cost some actually going to put an entire blog post in here. I hope that's no offensive in some intellectual property way fully ascribing this content t So here's the blog. Post this seth godin speaking on anonymous friend. Sends you two tickets to hamilton. Show on broadway on tomorrow night on your way to the show someone offers you two thousand dollars for the tickets if you don't take the money and go to the show instead. How much has it cost. You all consider the opposite. An anonymous friend sends you two thousand dollars ego for walk in new york city and on your way you pause a where. Hamilton is playing. You offer somebody two thousand dollars for two tickets. If you end up buying the tickets. How much did they cost you. It's pretty clear that the onscreen by situations is exactly the same. We make decisions about what to do and what not to do every single day. I'm we lie to ourselves all the time about costs if you'll team has been for a year on new projects until weeks before your expensive lunch. Somebody else comes out with a competitive veteran cheaper. It means it will cost you millions of dollars to fight your way to decent marketshare. Should you launch. What if your team had only been working on it for one week. Pasta expenses have nothing to do with future economic decisions. Poss- prophets have nothing to do with future decisions. Either that's not easy to embrace. But it's true. So that's the great. Seth godin was and i really think this is incredibly strong stoff. It's easy enough to grasp intellectually. And if you think it through you'll really begin to see the truth fit although it takes a little bit of thinking because it is a bit counter intuitive but to emotionally make your peace with that incredibly important and i've seen this play a number of times it's really successful amazon saleh's in some who've totally got nowhere and everyone in between people often have a problem is not as good as they want. That can come in different forms. One is of course the classic that you think could product will sell and it simply makes no sales on. that's very common people with early stages and also those more advanced salads with more experienced as well. The difference is normally that people at the early stages quit the entire business model private labeling amazon based on one particular product line not working out and that's obviously not necessarily the right kind of quitting the opposite though is often the case that people will continue to sell a product because they put months a month of their life into it and be working really hard and it kind of makes sales but not what they expected on very thin profit margins. I see that a lot with six even seven figure amazon sellers who i would like to listen to this podcast. If nothing else to make them think again about the strategic quitting is not just for object failures it is for those in between cases that are not actually really good and we'll talk a bit more about that in the strategic quizzing parts off the show in a second. So let's talk about the which is Guidance book about it and strategic quitting. What is the difference between quitting and just strategic quitting. I really would urge you by the way to buy the book of just ordered a physical copy of just re listened to my audible version of the book and such great stuff is really clear minded not overly conceptual concepts clear and practical mcconnell. Said enough about did go read the book. So here's what. Seth godin size in the dip right. At the beginning. I feel like giving up almost every day. In fact notable day of course but there are moments. My bet is that you have these moments to most of the time. We deal with these obstacles by persevering. Sometimes we get discouraged and turned inspirational writing. Light stuff from vince. Lombardi like quitters. Never win win. This never quit. Bided vice witness quit all the time. They just quit the right stuff at the right time. Most people quit the quit successfully. So that s guidance was that form the dip as his book and audible book. Fantastic thing to buy. Let's reflect on this genus insight. First of all. I think this is so on the money. There are times when people quit when it's way too early because they have no idea what the future potential of their business is obviously true that you can quit based on the fact that you're getting impatient or it's hard work to do something and that's not the kind of quitting. I'm talking about when i see that. Incredibly frequently with people who are quite starting amazon business. Th the only problem is not that they're startup nothing against startups i salute. The courage needed to really get a business from nothing to existence. The trouble is most people quit. Before they even make any revenue. It'll so how can you even tell whether the market once you'll product and if you've lost one single product how do you know whether you might just. It's rated two or three times all those two or three other products and they wouldn't have succeeded. It's haunting no because that's probably quitting way too early so i'm not talking about that but was very very interesting thing that gwynn quit all the time they just quit the right stuff at the right time. What a great quote. I think this is absolutely been true in my experience of the best says i know who are as i said. Maybe they're getting. It's eight vegas profitably now. But they quit a lot of stuff on the way to that points. Not one of the things that Talks about as the importance of being the best in the world. Let's explore what success means by these statements. The best in the world he says i'll culture celebrates superstars. We rewarded product or the song of the organizational the employees that is number one the rewards are heavily skewed so much so that it's typical for a number one to get ten times the benefit of number ten and one hundred times the benefit of number hundred. It's always like this almost always anyway is cooled zip. Slow witness win big because the marketplace loves a winner s. What ceska didn't says the deep so we apply this to amazon is not subtle. You can see this all the time if you have to or three hundred skews like a couple of members of the masterminded. They apply eight twenty analysis. One of them did it and came back for the groff which was fantastic. Because it was so clear i think about ten of three skis. They had on amazon skews being put lines by the way that responsible for nice to their sales it was not subtle. And that's how it always works. What i'm talking about today. I suppose would be to go back to person in that position. Say okay why are you still selling the others. And yes. There's a long tail as chris anderson. Famously articulated vodka. Two thousand seven with his book of the same name very good book as well. But what would happen if you took the money. Time and energy using things that hardly justify their existence in your catalog and tie up money and time and you put those into things that work well in our winners in that category. What would happen them. Another question skied in about this. Extraordinary benefits ceska accrue to the tiny minority of people who are able to push just a tiny bit longer than most extraordinary benefits also accrued to the tiny majority with guts to quit early and refocus efforts on something. New in both cases continue It's about being the best in the world about getting through the hot stuff and coming out on the other side and his website. Gutty says. Mary quit the wrong stuff. Stick with the right stuff. Have the guts to do one. Or the other. Seth godin continues. People don't have a lot of time on the don't want to take a lot of risks with limited time or to experiment. We intentionally narrow choices to those out. The top everybody does as a result the rewards for being i are enormous. It's not a linear scale. It's a curve and a steep one being at the top of is also because as the top only a few scarcity makes being at the top worth. Something anyone who's going to high you buy from you is going to one day if you're the best choice. Best as in best for them right now based on what they believe in what they know and in the world as in the world they have access team so that's the end of the sess coding quotes. So let's reflect together on front minute festival. The council cultural statement that you quitting can be released to t- jake very interesting stuff and very true but the main point he's making about the other side of that is if you don't quit because you can kind of be okay or average media corrine quite goods or you can good rather than the best. What you're doing is you'll missing out on potentially being the best out something else. Because of course time and money and energy are limited things especially in entrepreneurial companies where everything's growing rapidly or at least some things growing rapidly. So i really think that the other way to look at this. Is this if you look at an amazon average results page and you simply run the numbers using jungle scout far loans helium tan. Whatever one of the analysis tools that you can use to see what the sales are you very often find that there is a steep groff which has a majority of the market. Shag going to one or two brands. Now is not always. That extreme. And i don't advocate by the way entering a market without kind structured. But that's why you want to end up on. That's west of the people that i know have really killed on was have exactly ended up they dominate to search results as the results more importantly they dominate the market share is the percentage of the market. That they half now. This was very strong. It's the star principle by richard koch which is also one of the most amazing business books out there under. I've talked about that enough. My muscles members get sick of me talking about it but no apologies. Because that's also one of the most important folks you can read. But i think that's the flip side of the same thing which is to say if it is incredibly valuable to be the best in the world for a particular type of person with a particular type of need in particular kind of world so under the was on amazon is not just online and it could be that if you have a local shop. He might be the best bakery in north london. For example for bagels. Ok well that's innocent and kind of world of north london. The best thing in the world of bagels right. But whichever way you cut it. I think it comes down to really quitting places where you are mediocre because the future of a mediocre product is violently different from the future of a really excellent product is quote. The best in the world really really really different under think. Simplistic statements in facebook. All the time or other places like that really do pushes. In the direction of persevering no matter what and blaming ourselves somehow judging us sales of all products services on that successful because the truth is most products and services on successful. And that's okay. But if he quit the things that aren't like successful on really work hard to work towards the things you hand at least even on paper as it were theoretically be super successful the best in your customers eyes in particular narrow world on the internet. All about that you know if you quit the crappy things and you make time for those things. He have at least some kind of shot at being seriously successful. So let's bring this back to e commerce specifically the amazon context. I think there are full types of strategic quitting the all possible as some of which are really powerful and others of them are appropriate. Are the points the full-time on number one. The business model that. You're running. Because i think that's Some business models that are not appropriate for some people are never going to be a win for said people will sit and talk to businesses number twos. You'll business old brand as a whole number. Three is part of your business specific products line or products That's really something. With examining at number four is a relationship which is probably the most emotional and possibly the most important part is to teach quitting. So let's go through these ones first of all the business model. There are many different business models in the world and ecommerce i suppose is a form of business models and industry i suppose for the business models that exist within the amazon world that i most my listeners will be familiar with a new maybe as well would revolve around amazon such as retail stores online arbitrage wholesale sourcing to buying existing brands. You know to retail them on amazon private labeling or custom manufacturing and i guess then there would be things like working on behalf author sellers to manage recount so agency model and it may well be that you need to quit being retail arbitrage a notify on private labeling. You need to gradually refocus. You'll energy and money from one to the other. Another transition that i've seen is that people graduate he quits being Wholesale sources to developing their unique custom products. Sometimes they can be really painful quitting that i've seen a couple of businesses in the mosman. One of them is probably halfway through this. And the eight figure seller that i think is probably old ways through this now on his transitioning from selling as a manufacturer and brand owner rather than just retailer selling your goods at wholesale prices to end retailers and also selling direct to consumer via amazon or indeed. You're in shop. That is a very difficult situation. Because i have not yet seen anyone. He can really truly makes that work. There are all could compromises required. But of course if you've been doing that for years and years sometimes decades in in the case of various businesses than it's a very painful thing to quit selling to the retailers high street retailers in order to sell direct to consumer of course is less painful than it was a few months ago. If you're listening to this in anytime undecided lockdown this late two thousand twenty fifth november. I'm recording this. Because of course a lot of the high street is shot on the fifth of november is particularly meaningful day for england. I use the word advisedly. Not just the u k. Because england has been shut down again today for allegedly a month. And if you're listening to this in march. I think you'll find have been full months. So it's less tempting that it walls to sell to big box retailers instead of setting consumer. But it's still difficult to give things up have made you revenue in the past and that is one of the strategic quitting that. I know a couple of businesses have done now. I'm not saying that anyone has to do this. Ocean just mindlessly. Do this you have to look in vain analytical thoughtful way at the reality on the ground if your business but it certainly one of those areas where you may want to consider strategically quitting the business model. So there's some simple examples for new people to amazon. I mean it's a lot simpler some people just really technophobes. Don't dislike computers. They don't in some cases even own one which just blows my mind that something should consider running an online business without a laptop. I literally experienced recently. The client tried to start an online business without owning their own laptop. Now it never occurred to me that anyone would do that. And try to sophisticated multi hundred thousand dollar business from an iphone or tablet so therefore never put any questions of filters in my sales process to filter people like that out but i ended up with the clients who literally you had to borrow. That son's computer say in order to run the business unsurprisingly when they got to the point where they also couldn't remember in passwords. Anything never mind amazon said essential. It was clear that this was just a mismatch between the person that way of doing business seemed very nice person. She had some products already. Selling via physical means e commerce was probably not her things who it sounds obvious. But sometimes you really have to be aware of things that just all neon signs flashing at e saying. This is not your thing by the way if you had an amazon business or an attempt to one in the positive donald amazon salary central account knocking around that logger using i had a conversation with a colleague of mine the other day the reason not to say something else and he said oh by the way with buying old sat essentially accounts that were established. Full two thousand eighteen ninety. When he's got one. And i said well actually yeah. I've got one for one of the several businesses that i've been through over the last few years and i said yes shaw beaked interested to explore into that we had a very respectful and frank chat and he's probably gonna go ahead and buy that account and intends. He's actually on the lookout for other people who have amazon accounts that they no longer need. Four twenty eighteen. So the happens to be. You've you're listening. And that's a classic sunk cost by the way if you got amazon. Essential to you name donkeys. You might want to just get in touch with me and he may be able to buy it off you. If that's the case. Just email me. Michael at amazing fbi dot com and stick something in the central accounts for sale or something like that so just mentioned that as a an upside strategic quitting and sometimes a nice sweetener a nice bonus involved as a happens to be in that situation because i actually nice to get money for quitting height. Normally the money you get quick in real life is normally further ahead in the future unless you sell your business the other time of course when you get paid for quitting in a sense so let's talk about the difference between strategic quitting plano quitting otherwise known as giving up because it's hot ceska talks about this in the dip and my understanding of what he says without putting words in his mouth is something like you need to plan in advance. When you're going to quit strategically so. I think one of the differences between quitting in the moment and quitting strategically is something like this. Are you have the potential to be the best in the world at something all you will never be particularly good. Oh you or your product or your business. I say you i mean the thing you'll selling what i take from that as the you should have some way of assessing roughly whether you're going to be capable of being the best in the world not and then if the fiba from the marketplace is telling you that you'll never gonna be the best in the world. You should quit. And i guess the other thing code Plan in advance that you will quit. If you don't believe you can be the best in the world remember. The definition of best on world is relative to the very narrow world of particular types of consumers clients old prospects. Whatever word you want us for people who may by you'll thing now. Interestingly says the following his block asking the question the one. I get asked the most. How do i know dip or a dead end. Is the wrong question justice asking. How do i know. It's remarkable isn't the key to the purple cow. No the key insight is to ask the question not to know the answer in advance asking yourself. Is this something that will respond to guts. Effort and investment. Help you decide whether or not this is where you can commit and then if you do commit browsing you're in it. So what does that mean by all this stuff. Well i guess the phrase guts efforts and investment is great is something that we're responding to effort investment now that is a great question because it implies guts effort and investment are going to be needed which is radio important so what. I'm not trying to get across the idea that just luck. Great strategy is enough to succeed clearly. Rubbish eagerly is something won't respond to guts effort and investment and. I think a lot of us know in our hearts parts when that's the case. That's the time to strategically quit. Not because you won't have to guts effort and investment into succeed in any kind of business but because it's a bit of a tragedy put gus effort and investment into something when you know in your heart of hearts will not really respond to effort like that and there are lots of amazon product situations where it really is that situation so i really think that is the key that i'm trying to get across. I think one of the things. That is not what i'm saying is it's really hard to create a new product. Get out in the marketplace and make successive. Therefore you should quit because it's hard because three months into trying to create a new business. You're struggling in the keyword research face. No that's not a reason to quit. Unless of course you discover the equity hate keyword research in which case your entire feature on amazon's gonna be buried in keywords. You may want to choose the different business models. Another reason to change business. Model and quit strategically is because he recognized that something just isn't gonna work few private labeling for example doesn't work for some people because they not the risk involved it's high risk high rewards. Some people prefer the lower rewards for highest -sity of wholesale sourcing for example so the second type of quitting is quitting a product or product line. And this is really such an important ability to quit. I have seen so many close discuss so many times in the masterminds really good business on not willing to let go the sunk costs in a product line because it's still making sales and kind of profit now of course profit is better than no profit and killing things. Prematurely is not smart business strategy. That said if you have several products that are really making the majority of your profits and you have a lot of other goods that are tying up on a bubble management time. Whether it's your stuff's time you have a bigger organization which has been the case in some cases of the businesses. Who've what within the ten collective or whether it's puna tying up their time and energy the available time and energies being allocated across the board to multiple products only a few of which are really extraordinary and the rest Best mediocre the mediocre is the enemy of the good. And if you really want to cut through the noise in the marketplace today never mind tomorrow when the marketplace is blown up in size which is already happening under cove. It like just thoroughly believed that you really need to be willing to kill your darlings. As they say in the writing world and this is a weighty difficult conversation to have with yourself to have with your team and to have indeed in the masterminds is kind of embarrassing to suggest to somebody that they give up on sunday night spent a lot of time and energy on and of course this is not a casual decision and as an outside the one can only kind of hinted at the possibility radius for anyone who's got the deep inside knowledge of the whole picture. The financials the practical implications the implications of relationships with vendors supplies and so forth. He could not make that cool. But it's often really one of the most powerful things you can do in my opinions to quit a product line. That is mediocre. But we haven't talked about of course he's quitting a business or brand as a whole which is not the same as putting a business model but she some of the people in on the ten k collective have more than one brand the most extreme examples. Five friends won t brands and is considering in fact actively get into the prices of selling. Would've the moment and i think that's really smart because giving up one brand put a ton of money and effort. Nc one focus place and talking to the great business brokers and on mergers and acquisition experts for example jason somerville cruise ship fling of global devices. Who i spoke to recently for the ten k collective podcast. They were pretty clear. That a very focused business focused around one type of category products is going to be much more sellable valuable than something split into different places. Now if you can sell a business for say half a million dollars today and grow the other businesses of similar size in a more focused way to at biggest size. That's going to actually work a lot better than struggling along with two browns one of which is bound to be less good than the other and again in this question of quitting as in shutting down the business or the product line but quitting the owner of the business is a strategic kind of quitting the ultimate Kind really which is strategically exiting the business. So your business continues to exist but you are no longer involved with it and not be really very smart move and it's a funny way to put it as a strategic quitting but if you talk about strategic exit sounds much more accessible than sexy and business. Doesn't it so why don't we cool. Strategic quitting exiting a product line. the different paths being. The don't sell it to somebody else. You just stopped doing it does. Isn't it so there are various ways of doing with brown. Sometimes the smart thing to do this is to caleb randolph. If you have five brands. I'm kind of looking at those guys sometimes again Do they really performing. We actually dug into this because it wasn't where the owners of these businesses wanted to go. And so i didn't dig into it but i would be interested in discussion at some point about whether you can really run. Five comes bronze same time. Well my conclusion would be likely. The eighty twenty rule is gonna kick in one or two bronze probably the majority of the prophets. And maybe you'd be better off reinvesting the money from selling the other businesses. It's a discussion to have again posing more questions than onces. Today i guess the full type of quitting is relationships and of cool sir any kind of relationship business personal romantic you name it. Any form of end of significant relationship is a painful thing. Emotionally a business. Partnership is the most classic relationship May need to be quit and in fact at some point is going to come to an end even if it comes to a very positive end if he both sell a business. You're on one of them dies. I guess it's the ultimate end. Put every business partnership will come to an end at some point i've finished business partnerships myself. I hope i've done amicably. Always probably aligned anymore with where they wanted to go with the business and the beginning of their relationship basis priorities were putting in one direction and then by the end of the relationship. My personal priorities had changed for example my allocation of capital change while ago when i got married and we wanted to bile cells a property that we would be able to live and that was good use of capital. It meant that. I wanted to get the council back out of the business and sold it to my business partner and that's a fairly easy amicable decision that all obviously other things that can happen with business partners for example one of them wants to keep day job and keep security of income. You want to go all in on the business. That's pretty common. Actually i've seen that a number of times. Sometimes the business partner just wants different things they want. Be more money of the business. You want to reinvest the money it's et cetera et cetera. It's not an easy decision to quit. Business partnership that doesn't necessarily mean the same as quitting the business associated with the partnership though one of you can buy the other out the other types of relationships that may need to quit is very simply if you are an employer or engage workers. You may need to let one of them go not that good at the job. And that's a painful and unpleasant process into one device was put it off but there's often often a great win on the other side of the unpleasant experience and being into quits on somebody if you like will get them to. Quiz is a pretty powerful thing. You've done the right way unpleasant. Needs to be dealt with legally and ethically but that could be really powerful. Another thing you may do is you've got somebody who's very good at what they do. But what they're doing is really irrelevant. The successful business classic example one of the members of the tuncay collective mosman mentioned about a year ago. I said yeah. We've got a social media guy. But i don't know what he does all day and now it may be. The social media guy is giving a presents to your brand in social media very valuable way. He may be fantastic at that as well. In which case you could probably should keep its position and the person but it may be that. The person is fantastic at doing what you've told them to do about the thing you've told them to do. That is to say the role may be meaningless to the success of your brand and is taking time and money. It may be that you need to just get rid of the role in other words. Somebody redundant a not replacing with somebody else would just put the money and effort into something more productive for example you might just simply put it into amazon ads or something could be anything right but the point is you may need to let the person into that role as well a different type of quitting relationship but justice difficult and just as powerful if done correctly and in crazy covid times that are obviously a lot of pressure on people to let go people and maybe for financial reasons. You'll have to do that. And that's not pleasant. That's the world axing on you but again it can be done reactively or it can be done with strategic stinky so that is to say you may panic about the lack of money and fire everybody. Oh you could say well. We are going to need to have a strategy to survive into cash flow and maybe part of that is letting guy. Some people may be as putting them on part time work especially if they are engaged rather employed. That's probably not that hard and so on so forth difficult decisions but on the other side of it as guesses a common theme. Some really big wins. So let's recap. I think really the main points is trying to make and i'm obviously interpreting has to say but i think for us. The first thing is the sunk costs idea pas. Expenses have nothing to do with the future. Economic decisions and past profits have nothing to do the future decisions as to quote. Seth godin so really difficult decisions. I think come when we are emotionally or in other words mentally attached to something when we have no business being attached to it because it belongs in the past and fight strictly speaking. I guess pretty much. Everything is in the pasta everything we should assess from fresh and look at it and sight has got a bright future. Yes or no i need. The answer is no i guess. What seth godin encouraging us to do and i would say from experiences. The right coal is to give it up. Whatever that is relationship. Business business brand product line even an entire marketplace of maine. I imagine the ebay was really sexy. Place to sell in two thousand five hundred. No i wasn't selling a lot of people got started on ebay. When hamas said policy marketplace didn't exist is ebay great place to settle now relative to eat hamas in. Well i really haven't sold them both. But my experience from says you have says that's probably not the case so sometimes noontime marketplace needs to be moved on from and that's not easy but this getting around this idea from vince lombardi. Cry quitters never win. Win is never quit versus the ceska in quite win is quick all the time as quit the right stuff at the right time really interesting to juxtapose as to and really think this stuff three. This is no overnight success instant. Yep got that insight. Now i can just go and do it. This is thought provoking stuff. So that's the message. I guess i'm trying to get across. Sunk costs strategic quitting and really thinking. How the in your business. But i wanted won't finally finish this by coming back to where we started this conversation. Which is talking about the amazing successes. We're seeing some people particularly the people of saying they've actually strategically quit to take collective group. Because if somebody who's doing know what twenty million dollars worth of revenue year could be more as somebody who's needs icon pasni serve with the groups. I run at the moment because we don't have any groups to said they needed multiple eighth biggest sellers although dot something. I'm going to develop in twenty twenty one. But what's been instincts. The discussion and on wideouts works on. I would just say that if they hadn't strategically quits on entire business model and had a lot of very difficult discussions. Several years ago that they definitely wouldn't be close to where they are today. So although the overnight success explosion of revenue growth that you we say in the great businesses in the business people the amazing entrepreneurs. I've had the privilege of working with the very impressive things on. They'll real on the perseverance in the face of challenges has been very very real part of why those guys achieved success and they deserve every bit of it but one of the reasons that we don't see an talk about so much that we know from private compensation. Those guys is just as much something to praise them. Full moist earned success from as the difficult but necessary. Painful prices have gone through of strategic quitting when it was the right thing to do. I hope this has been thought provoking and gives you the courage to do the right things in your business. If you need to on the at the end of it they'll come back and thanked me into his time. If somebody says. I started reading seth godin and his book was amazing and it changed my life. I've forty seventy if somebody comes and says i stopped doing this crappy thing. The business that i knew was wrong but had the courage to change until i thought about it. Then i'm a happy man. 'cause i've served you well. 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S1E1 - Fuck Humans Episode 1 (Censored)
"Hi I'm Chelsea the created. His podcast the final episode here about the here is the censored version of fuck human episode. One the full version be out for free. Talk Tober however if you can't wait till then he's gone to description and click on the link though. Take Tar band camp page there. You Fi- not one but two ABSA fuck humans. Rei Out in center at the Presser. We like playing. Your money will be spent to reimburse voice actors as well as help pay with hosting transcripts now without further ado accent you episode one. This is an erotica podcast that focuses on. LGBT relationships in Toronto failure listener listener discretion is advised before me lies a few to tweet and then the Sea of Brownish yellow. As far as the I can see the field looks aggressive passive. It's rough and spiky. But I walked through it anyway by making body parts through the Sea of grain yet I feel no sharpness or steamed across my flash instead the grains caress me. They gently brush against my skin oven. Towards my body has crave it stroked my thighs fondle my pms mass graves against my acid entail buy cartons excited by the prairies ministrations. I smiled to myself. I knew it would be like this sky. Beautiful such a rich brown in yellow like the brightest bamboo raven flies to this guy. One of its feathers flew down. I catch it extra. It is weird. It feels silky and smooth touching freshly washed hair. It's beautiful Leka than the darkest of nights and shines brighter than the purest of city. The smell I know this smell this earthy aroma patchily in central would but there are no plants out besides the grain. How can hi my cock US straight up at the skies accusing responsible for in-state? Said I could feel my tongue. massaging my blood flows through me as if it is not the only thing I can hear this healed everything I know it. I want it and I checked my alarm. It left to go out into the sun soon. The digits nearly faded. But I can still. It'll tell that it is too early for me to be up. I look outside and watches. The full moon glows in the night Sky Knight night lack. The tent in my sheets does not go. Unnoticed take place my hand. anyth- my bidding begins stroking myself to completion. So hopefully this will put me out for the rest of the night. Good Morning Cherry. Good Morning Captain Basque Cherry. It's Prince. He's been getting on headquarters about being too friendly with co workers you want us to refer to each other by our titles. Now I'm caught Tabu Sherry. You're captain Basque as Medina's is now Afiza as etc excetera. Prince Vexes neither king of this region or in charge of headquarters so I will continue referring to my friend by her name. Good Morning Cherry fine but if he comes back I'm going into secretary mode again. Good morning ask. She's been looking healthier these past few weeks horns look stronger cheeks rounder and fair skinned Eh. One still now brightens up the moon. What's with the big smile on your face? I'm just happy to see you've been eating again one day and I were worried that he would be nothing that skin and bone soon pony never. So did you finally go to the local brothel like I told you no offense to the guys and gals down there. But that's the equivalent of eating cheap takeout. You know you're picky for a secular. I can't help it if they have a refined taste. So who's the lucky person your partner who's been feeding you. I assume you must be seeing someone considering how. You're glowing right now. Oh you you. You wouldn't know them. This kingdom is only so big. Dry me well. You C- conversation is cut short by the entry of a two office is one. I know well as moved as stand tall and proud like always is uniform. Immaculate is black beard trimmed and cut even as ram like horns appeared spotless next to him was a newsy a nervous looking at the face of flowers they were carrying was shaking. And they're gelatin like hands. Captain Bosc Gutty Cheddi. So Oh the princess gone to him too. I see this is our new recruits Elba. He'll be starting on the force today. off officer officer Elmer reporting for duty allies. Addy's soldier are those flowers. They're so pretty she. She was right the pedals brown with minor strikes yellow. The commerce were striking yet despite never having seen this plan before something welcome seen yes background from its customary degree new friends with gift. These are useful Yeah he'll say. Are you a botanist. Captain Basque No. I assumed because of the the color I o put these right on my desk so everybody in headquarters can see them i. I don't mean to alarm anyone but I believe I smell a human calm down everyone. It's just oh yeah I forgot. I'm sorry captain. Basque is is a is a human. No Oh I just work with one you you work with one technically. I'm sure you've noticed. The gigantic stone wall that separates us from the human side of the Kingdom. Well in the middle of that wall is a station we call it. The tunnel is the only path in more meat sue than leads to KIJIMUTA advice. Mercer high ranking fee SA's from both regions are sent to the station. We make sure no humans monsters go through the tunnel without permission. I understand but I need to work so close to a human. We're cut off by a glass window. He stays on his side and I stay on nine however there are holes in the glass that allow us to speak to each other. This is how I believe. The human scent gets on me. His Cologne alone is quite strong. May I ask why the wall was built back where I'm from. Such extreme measures aren't necessary about a year ago US US incident. A monster got caught with two human lovers too. Well he was Olympia. And you know connects any way that caused a huge uproar in the kingdom our king and the Queen of Zumra the wall to make sure. And it's like that never happened again again but wow happened to the monster in humans well llamas carrying out his hundred year sentences we speak the humans humans however we apparently very well known in Kijimuta and got off only with paying a fine unions. This conversation reminds me we need to be leaving soon. Go say you've forgotten. It is the first of the month each them all as his monthly meeting with the Council of order today once every month the king holds a meeting with the Council of order the point of the meetings to discuss the current ongoing in a monster based regions. I ranking visas. Such as Modi Asinine are sent to every gathering to protect the king in case one of the council members of the sudden urge to overthrows him in all my years of being an visa. I never have seen a member of the council attempt to do so but it is not the council. I'm worried worried about Prince Max's sitting at the end of the table. He looks Moyer -tated than usual. His spotty as glued to his skull as Ziff already on the attack he also keeps picking at the threat of his robes. Ruining the expensive fabric. Shame it's such a fetching garment event a yellow Baroque pattern brown linen covers. That remind still with us. Uh sorry just hoping that this meeting and soon fasted ends the faster I can get tongue to the over with and now for for the last item of the meeting. The treaty there are lots of minor terms and conditions to the treaty to keep this short it. I'll just mention the major ones the treaty of peace states as follows to keep the peace amongst each other humans and monsters must must stay in their own territory. Officers must accompany if ever a reason a human must enter monster territory or vice versa. Uh if a human or monster is caught on land that is not their own. Without enough accompaniment the choice of punishment can be imprisonment or death. The same rule applies allies if ever a human in a monster having sexual relations in the rare case of a human and monster forming a romantic relationship. The option of imprisonment is withdrawn and the only choice is death. If these rules are not upheld the treaty can be nullified and thus the the war can continue for those of you who wished to keep the treaty intact including the condition of keeping human and monster separated. Please raise one of your hands paws wings or other appendages. Every hand goes up except of course for those who I do. This treaty is nonsense and we'll never last. We need to attack the humans. Not Try to be their friends since your highness with all due respect you've made this argument several times before and in those several times we we have explained to. You does not benefit us or the environment to attack the humans. It's not about making friends but about upkeeping the continent livable war causes great damage to the environment or do not remember Howard. Great Ancestors tore this planet apart due to their oil and coal. Oh fueled battles. Yes but we have evolved. We have solar powered weapons now. If we attack them when they least expect it we you can get them before they get us. And why do you believe the humans plan on attacking US brother. Have you not seen how quickly their technology advances compared to ours ars. It will only be a matter of days before they're on our kingdom steps with their lasers and bombs and microwaves treaty states that any advancement of war Tek must be shared between both sides. And do you expect the humans to keep their word. The incident from a year ago would be the perfect excuse to end the treaty. Brother if you end it now you can help bring on a new era for months or kind all over. No Oh but no if I notify the treaty. I put the lives of many monsters. At risk. War is serious. Beck's people die on both sides. It's irresponsible for you to even ask for such a thing when you yourself have never even picked up a sword. The jury has lasted for a thousand years. And it will last thousand more now if there are no more objections meeting dismissed captain besque. Can you stay behind please. Yes your highness walk into one of his private but wise despite its Grand Corps. The Room is quiet peaceful. I note the kingdom's flag hanging above the nearby fireplace the White Crescent Moon Symbol on the blue fabric. That's a nice royal touch to the room. Goes at the tunnel. Fine Your Highness. I feel like after today's meeting. I shouldn't would have to stress the importance that it'd be heavily guarded at all times. We Keep Watch over a twenty four seven the humans to the same good good good. He looks exhausted. Talking to Prince. Vex would do that to you. A full blooded wear hyena powerful and strong yet. It somehow arguing with his brother had made him look so drained. Your Highness may I have a moment to speak freely. Go on Prince Vexes sudden call for wars concerning to be honest his entire behavior. These past few months has been worrying setting rules for headquarters randomly ordering searches on vendors attempting to ban any tech. That is even close to being cute adjacent if he's not careful I'm I'm going. The people may find a reason to send him to the Guillotine. Yes I understand. My brother can the A lot but please try to hold your anger with him. Even as royalty vex had to live a hard life you know my a father found him abandoned on the streets. While traveling one day he couldn't have been more than a day old on top of being teased for his mixed heritage. He had to grow up knowing his parents abandoned him. I believe is animosity for humans is more of self hatred than anger. The more he attacks humans the less he believes he is one. It said honestly I understand. Oh keep this in mind. The next time I come to the prince and I will try to less than my brothers dictator rulings. Maybe I can encomium down by offering him some human fruits as much as he claims to eat humans he absolutely adores their produce. But I am keeping you here for too along. I'm aware that you had tunnel duty today. Yes at noon. Albion high alert making sure that piece continues throughout the kingdom. If I could kill him I would. He does. Is this every time he brings in some rancid smelling human concoction and polices it right next of a glass window and I know he does it on purpose. You've been glaring at me for a while. Now puff got anything you want to say. You see the amusement in his is his bright Hazel is no. Are you sure you look ready to breathe fire my lunch. That's bothering you is it and then touches the soggy wrapped. Whatever that is leaning against the window I know you? Monster of a more heightened sense of smell thus humans. But I hope it's not bothering you that much. He brushes his hair out of the way and for a moment a mesmerized by the shine his hairs and possibly black like staring into avoid. Do human feces not have dress codes. What your hair is too long? If someone attacked you would take a simple gravity of ponytail in the match would be over his hands up into fists his Brown Skin Redden's it's a fish tale. It's childish but I enjoy upsetting him and I for an eye as they say regardless it's inconvenient for battle I do well in combat Spiro. Hope the tweety remains intact and you never have to find out how well why wait on a piece of paper you have the key. Use it again. I'm I'm not usually this childish but there is something about him that we want to get under his skin. And if I didn't care about the human race I would. You should pray that I never lose my loyalty to humanity big talk for such a small man you really think you can take me on. I can take all of you. Good Afternoon Gentlemen. Good afternoon pass another delivery to the humans research department and yes. We recently discovered that some of the plants in this region can boost the effects of certain human medicine. Angel the human. I am forced to do my shift with takes out the paperwork and starts writing down the necessary information for Pascal. Drop off. He's an ass but is diligent. I will at least give him that that name Pascal and and what I keep forgetting you. Monsters don't have proper last name like us a glare at him but it goes unnoticed not like in matters anyway. There's nothing he can say that good debt and passes obsession okay. Okay item plant samples from Morimitsu location. The Department of research at Digi Muira have the items in question. Been Shrunken down for transport. Yes I got them done by a witch this morning. They should be good for at least five hours before returning to normal size. Put the through the shoot police thus go places three. We've miniature crates on the delivery table near me. Shoot above. The table sucks crates and spits them out. On angels side you'll receive one of our headquarters Messenger birth to let you know when you're package has been delivered. Thank you I. What is that on your wrist? Go this it's the watch judge Ovalles. What but it has snowed? No Mon- or markings instead. It appears to be made of glass and metal. What are those lines inside lied? And why is one moving. Oh these we call these hands. You have the tall one. It's the hour hand. The shorter one is the minute and the one that is moving as the seconds though technically they all move you see every time the second hand circles around the big short hands drift to the next number fascinating multi. Pasco is a good smart bird but I often dread his visits to the tunnel his fascination with human techniques his deliveries long every every time he drops off a package he catches hold of one of the many gadgets. The Human Ephesus carry and kept resist asking questions about them. What makes it worse is how much angel in choice it? He clearly loves having a lowly monster. Asking him about all the advancements cements made over the years his interaction sure between Pascal and MIA like night and day I get sneer swap Pasco smiles. It's infuriating. Tell me is this watch based on past human tech. Yeah every day we morella and junket allow us to recruit our ancestors inventions. Your species sees tech is so interesting I often wished I could visit your research department. Pick a few brains on how to improve monster tech. The silence is brief but of noticeable. None of feels the need to comment on the obvious. In theory it is possible for Pascal. Visit Humans Department as long as he requests an escort discord mission however. A thesis don't volunteer to take part in such assignments we to loyal to our regions. Besides Pasco go no monster would ever want to step foot on the human land and it could be said same vice versa. Well I should be going. Please keep my package safe. Yeah See of others. A today was busy one. I the meeting then tunnel. Tutti how does this keep happening separated by a window a window with whole suit. Tiny only buttons. This could fit through them and yet somehow I still keep coming home smelling I Kim. It's heavy into central impetuously. If I don't get my uniform clean soon. Smell a flood the house. I can already feel it lingering in my nose I need to hard. It seems my libido has been going haywire lately popping up random. Don't like your boy dragon libeling tunnel Tutti ever since I got tasked with guarding it. I haven't had time for dating or even a simple Hookup Cup. Maybe I'm the one who needs to go to for awful. That came from outside. WHO's out here? It takes me. A few moments to recognized is the body at first the limbs blend well in the branches of the tree. What the I walk over to the body hanging in the huge oak tree takes up most of my yard? Whoever this person is has been hurt bad there are cuts all over their skin? And the clothes aren't in any better shape speaking of which close a uniform of an Afi Saas but human one that that aroma I push away the couldn't have black hair that hides strangers face and I'm not at all surprised what I see. Angel Basket has has days was waste by the Mazda Boyfriend. Angel by Ben Russell Sherry by Sunday prince best buy JV advancing Pascale by Lewd Audio Elmer. By Kyle Nishimura Jamaa by J royal. Va Muster want him to voiced by Tom. And Jerry Brandon Jenkins music uses episode with. Call it near Bonaparte. Parts to buy land
She's Dancing Like a Trender 6/9: Eminem x Kid Cudi, Michael Cohen, Seoul, Naya Rivera
"Oh. You know what it is if you hear my voice. The FIEF has been re. fucking knighted between Jack O'Brien I things are hand goes. Up Down or you know he's a father trying to be right by his kids and he had to supervise loom preschool thing right by. PODCAST. Is. That's disrespect. Anyway welcome to this episode of somebody come get. Cheese dance, and like a trend or That is from every show 'cause I like that one little. Is that what the deal with that day had be race remers because of Mike will made it yeah. I think so it was one of them three sixty deals where Michael was like look i. got you all right. Now rash rumoured. Who Do the rap, and I give you the money, and that's all you worry about, and they were like that's it, but then now what's where's the other do because I feel like sway is the one I hear about way more morale. Other worse rumored. Try, remember his name. I know right rap. Swaley and we'll come on. Somebody is listening to this right now. Going screaming. Come on. You know who it is. Slim, Jimmy Slim Jimmy thanks. Slim Jackson. Emmy swayed me. Yeah anyway so that's a way to waste a few minutes up top on this trending episode. Let's talk about what is trending and honestly race remers is not trending so I don't know what is going on that. Kid cutty, and Eminem or trending right now and I said what went on. Where are they going to? They're dropping an album tonight. Yeah, Moon Man Slim Shady, the adventures of moon, man, and Slim Shady and look at this album art i. don't even know what to think like. I'm like I'm loyal to Eminem. Like someone's like loyal. poop shells like yeah I'll focus back in the early two thousands. I'm now I get it. You know what I mean yeah. Because the last couple of albums just. Please sir, like I know you have. We have the bar abilities to do it, but some. I don't know but I like I like Scott Must Gutty. We'll see them, but I don't know where he's at. I think the last thing I heard from him was the kids he goes? Okay. He's back then I think he puts them out, but. Not, really putting into the street like I used yeah. I completely feel you I think this. Is You know I mean I'd love to see people collaborate but this. Feels like a reach, but I'll be listening feels like a reading. What sense. Each Other and they need to get some sales going. Yes, precisely. Yeah. That's why it's like weird to me. Do is, isn't the? Naturally be like Oh finally. Exactly Kid, Cudi's eminem Marshall and Scott here we go. Disillusionment on both of our sides from the music industry. Just like okay. What's the over under? What's the over under on some transphobic? Homophobic lyrics from EMINEM. I would say within the first two songs. Undoubtedly! okay, let's what else Michael Cohen. Michael, Cohen is trending I. Don't like what the fuck is doing, so he got out of jail. If you remember two months ago, because white and in federal, you know club. Fed Type Prison. He was released a basically how to furlough for his sentence. Being like look man because the Kovic scare is real, and we're only acknowledging that very selectively insert prisons based on the prison population. You have found yourself. Yourself enough to be in this prison, and we will let you serve out the remainder of your sentence at home This dude could not even do that. Part Rom Com. A lot of it is around just his. He refused to sign some kind of paperwork, saying that he wouldn't like. Write a book or something while he was in like while he was on this furlough and he didn't do it, so this man is back in custody. Back in the fucking audacity. This motherfucker already had the fuck him privilege while other people, black and brown inmates are already in. All kinds of mistakes. And bad laws and legit crimes, but to only extend that concern about Cova to these selective prisons only to have these people not even take that shit seriously. Smack in the face Yup really the other thing with onion. And like Saturn News the first one coming out of South Korea where the mayor of Seoul yeah was found dead on the so on Thursday in Korea there like this man missing, he called in sick for work on Thursday apparently this was the day after his secretary had filed a complaint, saying that she had been sexually harassing her. Since two thousand seventeen and a lot of people's talk about this mayor and his record actually is being you know in the in the? Korean political spectrum I he's been out here. Possibly being like a potential presidential candidate, being a champion of women's rights. And you know doing a lot with his with his platform, but you know it's that never means anybody is safe from any kind of misdeeds right so. He like left his daughter a very cryptic what she describes his will like message, and then they'd like once. A search party went on. They found his body in the hills of northern soul, so that is. A bit of darkness and You know this is kind of there's in Korea. There's also been a very large me to like reckoning within that country as well so. Yeah that was a dark thing to read, and then also i. mean not to say that obviously is harassment of the secretary is also awful the other thing. Nyerere Rivera who was on Glee. Formerly with big Sean I had met her years ago actually. Yes. She was presumed dead I. Don't think they have found her body or remains, but she was in Lake Pyro L. A. With her son, and they are presumed that she has most likely drowned. That's. It's so sad, they fat. What's I mean the fact that they found her son on the boat? Is. So scary, so also you know in a very small way. Relieving that, you know their son is okay, but such a mysterious circumstances so sad I just you know I. I pray for that family, and just you know that hopefully we get some answers. Yeah, you don't know what happened like being in the water and some kind of health. Something happens to you out there. Knows, you never know and yeah, it's. Really awful awful you. Do you know anything about Peru? Have you ever been there? Is that like? No I mean I. Know like the like the kids who were like the boat kids river grades. I went to school whose family boat they will go up to lake pyro. That's how I know it. I've never been to their myself I just to drive by it a lot. Yeah, but that's about it. That's my. PYRO! Yeah. Off The five right there. So yeah, that is what is trending a hopefully. We'll have some nicer things tomorrow, but we do have a rate episode for You tomorrow. The green in for that I. Mean Total Slap Crossover Collab- creation blue. You got to check that one out Danell. Earlier. deejay Don I was just you know I was just helping you out? You know when whenever miles and Dan will give on the trend miles just goes off and Daniel goes Yes, sir, that's your like my nurse in the convalescent home. I think Mr Gray and three C. is having one of those. Can you just sit down with him and agree with everything? He said and that's what I'm telling. You Daniel. I don't know if you know. Back in my day, okay, so there's been called Five G.. WHO now here we go now you might hurt a cove in nineteen, but I don't know if you heard about Kobe Five G.. Do you like Brazilian music Thank you so much for joining me. Daniel, it's always. To check US out tomorrow. y'All be good to each other plea. Truly be safe out there. The numbers are not going down and I know these reckless politicians are opening because they are being lobbied by business owners to do that, so we can begin consuming again, but we are still at risk and please going out there if you're healthy, were potentially putting many other people at risk so. You Know I. Hopefully. I'm preaching to the choir, but if look if you got some people in your choir that you need to preach to please preach on because Amount of people taking their foot off the gas on the let's social distance. This thing out of existence is just not happening all right. We'll take care of yourself. Take care of each other love yourself. Each Other love Daniel cells honor me love miles. You kidding me at miles of gray on playstation network on twitter on everything. Get at him I am I've not been on the social media. You know truth, be good doom! Sterling's bad for you is bad for you. You know and I'm trying to take my well being seriously 'cause. Get stuck. I was talking with somebody who felt like they were being gasoline by the amount of chaos. They were seeing on their social media feed, and you're like I feel like they're trying to get. Everybody riled up and I'm like in a way. It's like feedback loop where humans we're GONNA post stuff, and then it just builds and builds and builds. That is not a healthy place to be and will help this. You can really really really make the mistake of trying to think that scrolling social media is an active informing yourself. It is absolutely not that is not how you're doing for. You're just seeing what is happening social media you can look at. The journalism you can look here on twitter, but the doom scroll is not how you stay in it tight. Burn yourself out, and it's not good for. Now is not the time to. Get Burnt out. No stay. Late Lady Lady. Antebellum already suing people his day, they forgot. So wild. I mean we'll get into that story. Tomorrow Okay me! Good bye, bye!
S1E1 - Fuck Humans Episode 1
"This is Ann Harada podcast that focuses on LGBT relationships. In to read a failure listener discretion is advised before me lies a few tweet and then the Sea of Brown and yellow. As far as the I can see the field looks aggressive. It's such as rough and spiky spiky but I walk through it anyway. My naked body parts through the sea of grain yet I feel no sharpness esteem across my flesh it instead the grains gress me gently brush against my skin oven towards. What's my body? As if they crave it they stroked my phone bill. My Penis grace against my acid entail and Michael cartons excited by the prairies ministrations. I smile to myself. I knew Belykh this skies beautiful such rich color Brown and yellow like the brightest of bamboo. A Raven flies through the sky. One of its this floats down and I catch it. Texture of it is weird. It feels silky and smooth touching freshly washed hair. It's beautiful blacker than the darkest of nights and shines brighter than the purest of obsidian. The smell I know no this smell this earthy aroma patchily and central would but there are no plants out besides Graydon Dayton. How can I my car straight up at the skies of accusing accusing it responsible for its state is it? I can feel my tongue. My blood flows through Asif. Pacify them now. The only thing I can hear this healed I know I know it wont it. I checked my alarm. MM-HMM IT left to go out into the sun soon. The digits nearly faded. But I can still tell that it is too early for me to be up look outside and watches the full moon glows in the night Sky Knight Plaque. The tent in my sheets does not go unnoticed. I place place my hand. Betting begins stroking myself to completion. Hopefully this will put me out for the rest of the note. It Good Morning Make Jerry. Good Morning Captain Basque Sherry. It's Prince Max ax. He's been getting on headquarters about being too friendly with coworkers. He wants us to refer to each other by our titles now. I'm I'm caught to boost your captain. Basque as Medina's is now Afiza as Medina's etc etc Prince Vexes. This is neither king of this region or charge of headquarters so I will continue referring to my friend by her name. Good Morning Cherry very fine but if he comes back. I'm going into secretary mode again. Good Morning Basque. She's been looking healthier these past few weeks or horns look stronger cheeks rounder and her fair skin once still no brightens up the room. What's with the big smile on your face? I'm just happy to see. You've been eating again as Daya soon. I will worry that he would be nothing thing that skin and bones soon bony never. So did you find the go to the local breath. And like I told you no offense uh-huh to the guys and gals down there but that's the equivalent of eating cheap takeout. You know you're picky. I suck you this I oh I can't help it if I have a refined taste. So who's the lucky person your partner who's been feeding you. I assume you must be seeing someone considering how you're glowing right now. Oh you you wouldn't know them. This game is only so big nick. Dry me well you see. Our conversation is cut short by the entry of two offices. One I know well. Asthma days stands tall and proud like always is uniform. Samak Hewlett is black beard trimmed and cut even as ram like horns disappeared. Spotless next to him was an Uzi. A nervous looking. UCF that Delaware the face of flowers they were carrying shaking. And they're gelatin out in like hands got in Basque. Gutty Chetty so the prince has gone to him too. I see this who's own new recruits elva starting on the forest today Off Officer Avi Selmer reporting for duty allies the at ease soldier are those flowers so pretty she was right the pedals around with minor strikes pillow. The colors were striking yet. Despite never having seen this plan before something about the scene Villier yes background from its customary degree new friends with a gift. These are Sel Yeah he's a fait. Are you a botanist. Honest Captain Basque. No I assumed because of the color I'll put these right on my desk so everybody in headquarters can see them. I don't mean to alarm anyone but I believe I smell a human. What's gone down everyone? It's just bask Oh yeah I forgot. Aw I'm sorry. Captain Basque is is a is a human. No just worked with one you. You work work with one technically. I'm sure you've noticed. The gigantic stone wall that separates us from the human side of the kingdom in the middle of that wall. All is a station. We call at the tunnel. Is the only path in more meat sued. That leads to KIJIMUTA vice versa. I ranking visas from both regions percent there to guard the station. We make sure no human monsters go through the tunnel without permission. I understand but I need to work so so close to a human. We're cut off by glass window. He stays on his side and I stay on nine however there are holes in the glass lasted allow us to speak to each other. This is how I believe. The human scent gets on. His Cologne is quite strong. May I ask why the the wall was built back where I'm from. Such extreme measures aren't necessary about a year ago. There was incident a monster got caught out with two human lovers too. Well he was Olympia and you know to fix a way. That caused a huge uproar the kingdom our king and the Queen of PG mood up the wall to make sure that never happened again but what happened to the monster. In humans will lobbyist carrying out his hundred year sentences. We speak the humans however we're apparently very well known in Kijimuta Luda got up with paying a fine humans. This conversation reminds me. We need to be leaving soon. Don't say forgotten. It is the first of the month. HMO Lenses monthly meeting with the counselor order today once every month the king holds a meeting with the council order the point of the meetings to discuss the current ongoing monster based regions. I ranking visas. Such as Modena's are sent into every gathering to protect the king in case one of the council members of the sudden urge to overthrow him in all my years of being visa. I never have seen a member of the council attempt to do so but it is not the council. I'm worried about Prince Alexis sitting at the end of the table. Oh it looks more irritated than usual. His spotted ears glued to his skull as if already on the attack he also keeps picking at the thread read of his robes. Ruining the expensive fabric shame. It's such a fetching garment yellow Baroque pattern on Brown linen coerce. That reminded me of still with us. Sorry I was just hoping that this meeting and soon faster it ends the faster I can get tongue duty over with and now for the last item of the meeting. The tree not there are lots of minor terms and conditions to the treaty but to keep this short I'll just mention the major ones the treaty of apiece states as follows to keep the peace amongst each other humans and monsters must stay in their own territory office. So's must accompany if ever reason a human must enter monster territory or vice versa. If a human or monster is caught on land that is not their Own Without an officer and accompaniment choice of punishment can be imprisonment or death. The same rule applies if ever a human in a monster caught having sexual relations shins in the rare case of a human and monster forming a romantic relationship. The option of imprisonment is withdrawn and the only choice race is death. If these rules are not upheld the treaty can be nullified and thus the war can continue for those of you who wished to keep. Keep the treaty intact including the condition of keeping human and monster separated. Please raise one of your hands paws wings or or other appendages. Every hand goes up except one of course for those who I do. This treaty treaty is nonsense. And we'll never last. We need to attack the humans. Not Try to be their friends. Your Highness with all due respect act. You've made this argument several times. Before and in those several times we have explained to you because it does not benefit us or the environment to attack the humans it's not about making friends but about keeping the continent livable. War Causes Great Damage. Mitch to the environment or do not remember our great ancestors toward this planet apart into their oil and coalfield battles. Yes but we have evolved old. We have solar powered weapons now if we attack them when they least expect it we can get them before they get us. And why do you believe the humans ends planning on attacking US brother. Have you not seen how quickly their technology advances compared to ours. It will only be a matter of days before their honor on our kingdom steps with their lasers and bombs and microwaves treaty states that any advancement of war tech must be shared between both sides hides and you just expect the humans to keep their word. The incident from a year ago would be the perfect excuse to end the treaty brother. If you end it now you can help bring on a new era for months or kind all over. No but no if I nullified the treaty. Z. I put the lives of many monsters. At Risk War is serious. Beck's people die on both sides. It's irresponsible for you to even ask for such thing when you yourself have never even picked up a sword. The treaty has lasted four thousand years. And it will last Dow's Damore now if there are no more objections meeting dismissed Captain Best. Can you stay behind please yes your highness walk into one of his private but wise despite its grand decor. That room is quite peaceful at note. The kingdom's flag hanging above the nearby fireplace the White Crescent Moon Symbol on the blue fabric. That's a nice royal touch to the room. How goes it at the tunnel? Fine Your Highness. I feel like after today's meeting. I shouldn't have to stress the importance that it'd be heavily guarded at all times and we keep watch over twenty four seven the humans to the same good good. He looks exhausted talking to Prince. specs would do that to you. A full blooded wear hytner powerful and strong yet. Somehow arguing with his brother had made him look so drain. And Your Highness. May I have a moment to speak freely. Go on Prince Vexes sudden cough awards source concerning to be honest his entire behavior. These past few months has been worrying setting rules for headquarters randomly ordering searches on vendors. There's attempting to ban. Any tech is even close to being Jason. If he's not careful I'm going. The people may find a reason isn't sent him to the Guillotine. Yes I understand. My brother can be A lot but please try to behold your anger with him even as royalty vex had to live a hard life you know. My father found him abandoned on the streets. While traveling point one day he couldn't have been more than a day old on top of being teased for his mixed heritage. He had to grow up up knowing his parents abandoned him. I believe his animosity for humans is more of self hatred than anger. The more he attacks humans the less he believes he is one it said honestly I understand. Keep this in mind. The next time I come to the prince and I will try to less than my brothers dictator rulings. Maybe I can calm him down by offering him some human fruits as much such as E. claims to eat humans he absolutely adores their produce. But I am keeping you here for too long. I'm aware that you out tunnel duty today. Yes this at noon. I'll be on high alert making sure that piece continues throughout the kingdom. If I could kill him I would. He does this. Every time he brings in some rancid smelling human concoction an polices it right next to the glass window and I know he does it on purpose. You've been glaring at me for a while. Now Buff Guide anything you want to say a CV seve the amusement in his is his bright Hazel is no I used sure you look ready to breathe with fire. It couldn't be my lunch that's bothering you is it. He then touches the soggy wrapped. What ever that is leaning against the window? I know you. Monsters of a more heightened sense of smell than US humans but. I hope. It's not bothering you. That outlines he brushes hair out of the way and for a moment. I'm mesmerized by the shine. His hairs and possibly black like staring into a void. Do human feces not have dress codes. What your hair is too long? If someone attacked act you would take as a simple gravity ponytail in the match would be over this hand spa up into fists. His Brown skin redden's it's a fish tale. It's childish but I enjoy upsetting him and I I as they say regardless its inconvenient for battle I do well in combat. Spiro hope the treaty remains intact. And you never have to find out how well why why wait on a piece of paper you have the key use it again. I'm not usually this childish. But there is something about him mm-hmm we want to get under his skin and if I didn't care about the human race I would. You should raise agnon that. I never lose my loyalty to humanity. big talk for such small man. You really think you can take me on. I can take all of you. Good Afternoon Gentlemen. Good afternoon pass another delivery to the humans research department yes. We recently discovered that some of the plants in this region tin can boost the effects of certain human medicine angel. The humanized forced to do my shift with takes out the paperwork and starts writing down the necessary information. I'm for Pasco drop off. He's an ass but he's diligent. I will at least give him that name Pascal and and and what I keep forgetting you. Monsters don't have proper. Last names like us a glare at him but it goes unnoticed. Not like it matters anyway. There's nothing he can say. That could happen passes obsession okay. Item plant samples from Morimitsu location. The Department of research at Tj Muira have the items in question shrunken down for transport. Yes I got them done by a witch this morning. They should be good for for at least five hours before returning to normal size. Put the rams through the shoot police VESCO places three miniature crates on the delivery table near me shoot above table sucks up the crates and spits them out on angel side you'll receive one of our headquarters Messenger birth to let you know when you're package has been delivered. Thank you I What is that on your wrist? Go this it's the watch over watch but it has no no mono nor markings instead appears to be made of glass and metal. What are those lines inside? And why is one moving. Oh these we we call these hands. You have the tall one. It's the hour hand. The shorter one is the minute and the one that is moving the seconds though technically they all move you see every time the secondhand circles around the big short hands drift to the next number fascinating best goes good and smart bird but I often to read his visits to the tunnel his fascination with human technics deliveries long. Every time he drops off a package he catches hold of one of the many gadgets. The Human Ephesus Kerry and can't resist asking questions about them. What makes it worse is how much angel in choice it? He clearly loves having a load slowly. Monster asking him about all the advancements humans have made over the years his interaction between Pascal and Mia like night and day. I get sneers. Well Pasco it's smiles. It's infuriating tell me. Is this watch based on past human tech. Yeah every day. We find more relics. junket allow us to recreate our ancestors. Inventions your species tech is so interesting. I often wish I could visit your research. Research departments pick a few brains on how to improve monster tech. The silence is brief but noticeable. None of us feels the need to comment on the obvious. He has in theory. It is possible for Pascal to visit humans department as long as he requests an escort mission however a thesis. Don't volunteer to take take part in such assignments we too loyal to our regions. Besides Pasco no monster whatever wants to step foot on the human land act and it could be said the same vice versa. Well I should be going. Please keep my package safe. Yeah See of others others. Here's Day it was a busy one. I the meeting then tunnel. Tutti how does this keep happening. happening was separated by a window a window with whole suit. Tiny only buttons could fit through them and yet somehow I still keep coming home smelling like him. It's such a heavy to sandalwood impartially. If I don't get my uniform clean soon you smell a flood. The house economically field. Lingering in my nose I need to hard I heard it seems my libido has been going haywire lately popping up random like your boy. Dragon Eyeballing Tunnel Tutti duty ever since I tasked with guarding it. I haven't had time for dating or even a simple hookup. My Cock Springs Freak into the cool night air it's drenched in pre common poses with need take a deep breath and his send fills my nose want to minded of him. While I'm doing this suddenly he's I can think about masturbating. How as if you humans? I don't do it too but at least we at these insead to keep it in. The bedroom emerged him kneeling on his face. Inches from I did looking at over us of creating such a weird looking cockatoo black like onyx and unnaturally big. Don't act like you're not impressed. What makes you impressed? This is I boss. Mike Cox Leagues Like Mad. Had So close you heard me dragon boy. I said I wonder how it tastes. I imagine imagine angels tongue taking a long usually talk show. AC White I open. I see my release on the floor but in my mind I imagine. Imagine it's on angels face. The white fluid contrast beautifully with this brown skin drips overs. Bright Hazel is is. I even got some that gorgeous silky hair of his rude and then he fades away. Maybe I'm the one who needs to go to a for author that came income outside. WHO's out here? It takes me a few moments to recognize the body. I the limbs blend well in the branches the tree what the I walk over to the body hanging in the huge oak tree that takes most of my yard. Whoever this a person is has been hurt bad? There are cuts all over their skin. And the clothes aren't in any better shape. Speaking of which clues are a uniform of the feces but a human one that that aroma I push away. The couldn't fleck hair that hides strangers face. 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Black Lives Matter in Honduras
"Hey guys. Latino rebels radio. So our friends at the Latino media collective who have done guests shows in the past gave as one of their shows and here it is. Fact. took. Off. took. Staff. into. Canal. Greetings greetings, greetings even meals told told in this could channel in Washington and points beyond this is Oscar Fernandez and you're listening to Latino media collective recorded at studio of WPF. W Eighty, nine point three FM Washington. DC to Columbia here on this Friday September four, two, thousand, twenty. Were also heard on the Internet on own website, which is Latino meaty collective dot com. You can also find us on twitter under the name at L.. M. C. underscores show and of course, live on the W FM DOT ORG. That's WPF W FM that. Once. Again, this is Oscar Fernandez and today on the show we put the spotlight on on Lula's in a continued struggle for social justice by the getty food. Against, the violence and intimidation from the illegitimate Honduran government. Today's show marks the beginning of a series of stories connected in various ways to the black lives matter movement inland America. In the case of on Dudas gutty fullness struggle for social justice started long before the coup in two thousand nine. Yet perhaps now, more than ever the illegitimate government has become even more brazen and hostile towards the Honduran community of African descent. So, what's at stake in Honduras? The immediate problem is the kidnapping disappearing in outright murderer of gutty activists and social leaders. The long term problem is the systematic array. Of Garifuna Land Culture and very existence in on us. In addition as is often, the case racism plays a role in state violence. So today's show is out to make it clear their black lives do matter in on Dudas. So whiff on the show today as Gregoria Florida's she is a got food and activist and a CO founder of Gutty community services the. US base in the Bronx New York. She joins us today via skype. Welcome to show Grigoriev Florida's. Thank you so much for having me here. Today is my bless her Oscar could be with you in this. And Lisa great opportunity to me to speak out was really going on in Honduras and especially my community across. Absolutely. It's an honor to have you with us, and there's some immediate things that are happening right now even as we have this conversation in on dudas but before we get to some immediate issues with several gutty phone activists being taken, shall we say by Honduran government officials? Let's begin by explaining to people what is of run For an eighth ow Blackberry Organization in Honduras over Anna's founder because of beggar from the people. Estar. Sophomore in. Cain of that discrimination in the city close to the our community. So offer they work clothes they work with that all reflect community. To, defend and to make sure everybody in the community days enjoying the human rights. And Human Rights is certainly the issue at hand here on this conversation because in recent months has been increased violent possibilities by the Honduran government towards the getty fullness. So I want to the best of your ability if you could. Tell us about the incident that took place on July eighteenth in full delacruz on duress. This is also very historic city or town in under a spaghetti fullness. Correct. EAC. Is One of the forty forty, seven community in Honduras myself funder for one sisters after became often the display from. From The people came first from and. That was a farce espace that people? Does the land after. After that was bringing from San be think. So the after they came to heal and the answer they open the forty-seven community. So why does the across the cruise I'm from? I'm born there for my my parents might. Arrays with my. Sisters and community. Buried Pacific community and the way will come in the community. My aunts my father's tell us at home. Always everybody's coming to Delacour do have to welcome everybody and you have if you have something some food, they provide A. And they need rest from the next day, give the space even the coroner to the person get get rest for the next day to continuing journal. So that's the way our parents. Make us a racing community. So all the time is normal for us to see the Community Fund Anada community that people never for the coming for the city to sell different kinds of. Things and. We have the Pacific living in our community but something happened after the eighty, nineteen, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, nine, nineteen. Ninety nineteen because the. The estar selling, our lance west going on with us because when we request. The. Legal communication about. Our land. That Guerrero Limiting Honduras? They do something. That was nice normal and that was not something they not supposed to do because they increase the land for. Policy and they put our land like a Gary flipper from. Inside the limit of land from municipality that of Taylor. So If that's. Saline, our land. So the organization to develop theories me our community. So that's a time our. Situation, they gained worse on this started the persecution about our leaders in our community. That leads us to the incident that took place on July eighteenth and to central figures. In this incident, wear some some activists were taken by government forces is. Albert, Snyder, just you'll. So for those who may not can you tell us who he is and perhaps the four or five other. Activists there were taking on that same day on July. Nine hundred. Thou- president of the communities apart dramatic policy. For our president and our community and it's with a four. John boy from our community. A. When I think of Wenham, speak about that they come to be so hard for me because those does people does John People, there's people assault even I saw her mom when the federalist with them and they burn in in the middle of the conflict we have an is neither that's one of the jute people. Dylan are really see with responsibility. In Cori- that every John People in our community to. Be Bottles down this deep be part of the the Jarl we doing for. Me Don't Martinez. Swami Bdo it's neither Centeno without two guys with them. That was we'll take those kidnapping those taken from. When they sleeping in and then? The police came and took. Our five John Boys as facial our presidents they took it and today's the day. We don't know nothing about as we claiming to bring our boys. Back And Life. Absolutely, Let's hope they do come back. Safely because there is a dark frame of reference and we need to point out here because this has been a very to say the least a very violent You know coup government that we've seen illegitimately in Honduras since two thousand nine and the violence has been seen at the very least here in the US with the growing number of hundred immigrants fleeing violence has been taking place by this US support a government, and unfortunately we do have a frame of reference of. To at the very least be concerned about the safety of Albert Scientists Centennial's. So for example, would you tell us who was Munis Oiseaux. Meanness Vassall. Isao one. Woman, accused the president of the company that the mascot that's in the bottom into the Cortez she's a president of the patron appaling how community and she was a kidnapping to she was kidnapping. Somebody came with a motorcycle. Sunday, September eight Sunday September eighth beaten Swat Martinez. Was Mortar by and the. Person, but we know the. Mutinous, Wessel Taoist. From the State Because T. A farce ripper, daddy fundamental percent in this time how how community? That's community always dealing with them with a woman Some senators time we don't have the woman deal behind the main but meal that was. From, of the situation in Chris, the situation and somebody came and kill her. After win the. The two. Cent is neither WENTZEL MOSCA AFTER. The. kidnapping. And that the person of our community see? What? I was in the Arizona community the person give the security inside the community those with us later that person. West. Kill it. Was Kidnapping in Moscow when they got to provide the support to the community, and so this is why it's cause for concern once again about the safety of of Snyder centennial and the four other gutty activist. Admin. You know taken by government forces at the government has made it very clear now knee in these cases but for bass eleven years that they will resort to violence. And and outright murder of Gutty foon activists and having a conversation about or Friday we cannot happen without mentioning the hell of of Oh funding medium me Donda. She's she still you know active working but at the same time, she's as we have this conversation, an undisclosed location because she's also fearing for her safety as well. Can you tell us who is who is medium? Yes He. Is. The coordinator of. Different effort analogous say. So, meter and that is is the faith is the face of the. Is the face of the organization in Honduras and In, the national or some Mirian data chief she was. NEOM life is. Some, some someone with trying to, we're trying to cover every day. We always concern about security. In favor in. Your feet or? Whatever she goes I remember in nineteen ninety, four somebody came and trying to kill me. So the media and the life, very impressive for us. On. We I was concerned about security. Asking the. Everybody facial any. The Nationality Cezanne, Conduit Organization, we are always looking to. Mixture the. Have to be safe. Like. Ishaq line our leaders in our community. Because, if they leave here they. One of the point. Need to mention in. The brother from the piano that person. Witness. A witness affront those that are interamerican cart about the. Case. That's awesome. West I for how community they disappear for six days. After the six days, we've found the body that was killed now was. infantile travel in those. I would I would live at she. And I need to mention another one signatories. Or those a precedent for. That Organization to this and I'm take the land for through. Thorough. WAS DISAPPEAR IN A. At twenty three, thousand eighteen, and these moments. We don't know nothing about. Flores week claiming and we asked what is. Came Kim background community and took care back to her family. So and best offensively. Happen with women every day. Man That will respect me. Is. She put in her life and risks every community for each. People in. Honduras. Gregoria you mentioned a few minutes ago about perhaps. The motivations financial motivations by the Honduran government of taking gutty lands. So just to make the geography real clear that even though think WORC- gallopers, the capital dudas The financial center won't do. This is San. Pedro Sula, which is a little bit closer to the Atlanta Kohl's and not that far away from places like three or four delacruz enroll it down just to name a few gutty places. So what's at stake here? What is it that you know? What is it that the Honduran government wants inward in regards to this land? Is it is it? Natural, resources is it tourism? What is on he from the lands that Honduran you know the Honduran government wants so badly that they've done. The all sorts of violent things to what he got. He fullness. Yes Barroso Nice. Copied imposture capital from Honduras and every is to is bell close to. Cruise is we travel in the boss is like. One hour or forty five minutes to be. The way you have to go through the course so And we live in and the beach we live on the beach with Salaam coast. Of course border from Honduras. So we had the bristles land to make the tourism. So in the in the In the night in the nineteen thirties. GWENDA mistakes they make planning Su at develop. And the. And the cost Lord and that Garifuna communities lands. So these plan. A been the. They be. This plan, the state have. To remove the community people on our land. So Mick, Shaw, they be useful to develop tourism and. That another situation happened is fast that the community leaving between the Conservation of the of the NATO resources so that so one of the that's one of the best reason. When they declare the conservation area in our community after that, they use that decleration sold mixture Gabe our land who? To people to come to development tourists in our community. So specific through for Lagos almost in the middle of. Three area of conservation wireless settled through for the LACROSSE and other one zero t great yet another the third one is. So after that, when they make the declaration of that, they give the right flood mini straight our area of life to Organizational Nagpur Lansing. So then essential NASA day working the concentration of the area they're not respect the right that community. Like through across across. Your natural resources. Today to daily leaving the daily life. So that's the thing that's a man reason. That estatal state of Honduras. They they. The, most beautiful portion for. Documentation to give through the municipality. animalistic. Defend the land to. Development Tourism and they take for us. They think our natural resources. Another way that the Honduran government is trying to take Gutty fournette lands accused that Gotti Funez themselves of drug trafficking. Now, for those who may not know you know, can you explain in Honduras the irony? Funny Irony of the government of one Orlando anonymous accusing. Of Dirk traffic because you know a lot of people may not be familiar with on May may find it weird that he among among many other people would have accused of drug trafficking when drug trafficking has been you know. Part of the Honduran government particularly his. Is Buried interesting is very widely really happened in Honduras because we when we leave in Honduras and when we be on Dorian we know that we have that. Door. Drove state. We have that drug state why we say that because the president of Dora and how brother. Hernandez. was. In that, just a system here in the United States. And there was found want responsible for trafficking from drawing Honduras and we know in Honduras. London and is the president for. Day Use all the resources from the state. To move. Drug from Honduras to make sure Aldo coming from the South America, they can go safely from Honduras to come to the United States so and the heroic simulation in the in that part is right now. Gordon from they asked. The. Leader they accusing the members of our community like A. Drug trafficking. And the WHO is the don't traffic in Honduras easson. They till house. If the president of hundred and her family. That's a one day. And they best the how they on infrastructure to move the Drug and passing from Honduras all three they pass the drug for our community. At one of the Best Trojan we have right now because we fighting in through for the goals to don't take community like a place to move the drug from our community. So that's a one of the. ESPECIA- fighting. We have right now and that's the reason that. Lemon. With the police Dusen the police to take our brothers, our leaders from our community and killed everybody in our community they agree. The one dues? Community. To moved drought hot to more drug, they nagy was the. Espace Bashur drug, and they join abby do that our community they train to a gotten us because we turned to stop Bassett Latian. That's a recently died in us, but the principle that drug dealer in Honduras is a familiar. Hernandez that's a precedent in her finally, I do sit in this state using the. From Guatemala Honduras to move the. We're speaking with gory of Florida's she's got funeral activists and she's also co founder of the. Community Services G. C. S in the Bronx New York this is Latino collective return about the gun struggle for social justice on Dudas. On WPF W. Eighty nine point three. FM Washington we'll take a quick break gray here back with more in a minute. Stay tuned. So. Good. ME. By looking for Beck says. Bad. saw. Okay. Out. Bond. report. An. Best. Palmer. That was ELVA. Carolyn you're listening to Latino collective yawn WPF W eighty, nine point three FM Washington reminding everyone that you check out this episode in our previous episodes on own website, which is Latino media collective dot com. He also follow us on twitter the name ask Ellen MC underscores show that is at LLC underscore show and of course, live on WPF Wfan that orgy. That's WPF W FM DOT ORG. Once again, this is Oscar Fernandes and were speaking about Black Lives Matter Indunas with your Florida's who's Gutty Funai activists from on us, and she's the CO founder of the. Community services DC s in the Bronx new. York she joins us today via skype from New York, and before we continue Grigori I wanNA point out that you know New York where you're at right now is home to the largest gutty Muna communities here in the United States and it's been a community that's been in New York for at least three or four decades now so. I just want to point that out because in lends itself to two things I wanna ask you one over the motivations for you to leave onto us to go to New York and to how connected is the Gutty Funaki community in New York to. Their counterparts back in on Dura today interacted A. For people don't do they still communicate communicate and work together in discontinued struggle or governor rights. In two, thousand and. In the to go a little bit more back because. After we started investigation was less what's really going on with our land. We went off an and we ask for often it'll help awesome offending our land and. Be with us that all balanced process we no, we have to work in. Two. So Those in two, thousand, dollars, nineteen, ninety, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, four. So I nineteen ninety five. I'm be a bottle style board of director often. In nineteen, ninety, six at be president to often me. So I was the president and awfully before Media Miranda. Saw Out the person brings the first case from the different people to the. inter-american Commission in Washington. The case of. This was a member. This member of the Committee for defending the land of the course. So, we bring the case so. When we? Make a case against that Honduras. and. inter-american Court of Human Rights in Costa Rica. In May thirty nine. Thousand Two Thousand and five. Greta meeting on somebody to kill me. So I get a shack. So. That's the reason I came to. United States in two thousand. And two, thousand nine. Seven. Thousand and seven I came here and I seek wounded again asylum. So right now, I have like sixteen years leaving here in New York City helping our community. This was working without we? To make sure that people was accounts in the United States. Census Twenty. Twenty. So we were. Returned to make sure that people is not just. Living in United. But. We have to make sure that that goes people. He's counting in. United. States. So They came here. That was I was the one of the leader be persecuted for the enemy in Honduras aside came here but I'm going to work in our communities for every somebody from the community service. We found that is not going to services to help everybody calming founder. Of course in the south border with the humor regulations. You know there's a census taking place in the US right now in two thousand twenty and I can tell you that here in Washington. DC. Fact that once the numbers do get collected and once everyone does get counted we will notice a very large increase of Honduran migrants fleeing violence had been taking place in under since two thousand nine and that includes the gutty fullness. I'm pretty sure that their numbers have grown exponentially in these last eleven years unfortunately now we mentioned one Orlando and Undis- you'll illegitimate. President of on US right now and. I would like to point out also that you know as bad as his administration is he's not been the only illegitimate president during these eleven years. So there's also been the. Illegitimate governments of rovereto Mitchell letty and video logo, and like I said before at the beginning of show, racism plays a lot in the motivations of the Honduran government as far as tall stilts worst Gotti fornos. So we mentioned one Orlando Hernandez already you know, can you tell us about some of the actions taken place by Peter Mitchell mutuality or logo that should also be worth mentioning in pointing out to have been directed against Eddie Funez if you can. is how we can speak about that every team. Happy in a gaze that community from the year of the Tories and the Partido Nacional when they the person and. The president. Is formed that but a dealer national nine Honduras in the dodd that was thirty, nine, hundred, thirty, seven, that's. 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We have the break then ordinary through in Thornton tell. That's Chased the name more than six, six, six or seven time. Are Now is Produced. Plantation. Pre the way. Yeah. The Taylor saw. They exchange the name let Lisa themm criminal birthdays they doing to remove from. And I'm glad that you brought that up because the struggle for Gotti Funai Rights in begin in two thousand nine because a coup. This has been going on for decades for generations and it's IT regardless of whichever political party is in power it's not about any one political party is about institutional state. Sponsored racism and engulfs goes beyond political parties, it goes beyond whoever individual happens to be in power at the time, and this is an ongoing struggle that you know continues and will continue regardless of WHO's who's in power in on Dudas and I thank you for pointing that out because. These sorts of actions against the gutty fullness don't happen in a vacuum. There's a lot of history going back to almost a very beginning of. Honduran independence that you know has brought us to this issue that continues to be a problem for Gotti Funez. So since you bill since you live in in the US. I'm pretty sure you all these obviously seeing the black lives matter movement developed here in the US and I'm curious to know what is the position of of random regarding going development black lives matter movement not only here in the US but in other parts of, of Latin America because this is. Spread out to not just a US and not just us to various other countries with a sizeable Afro Latino community. The Umbrella black life modern is very clear. Often face that. Any gory for now be imple- any black people, wherever They leave. That's life. So that's like Mara and that's something we do in in Honduras felder the black lives matter black last model in Honduras black knife model in Thera- words. That side of an position about that, and we know right now the black life is in dangerous. In cold word, THE BLACK KNIFE IS Is. We saw the the photos from Africa that among the people they have do. They have to get out for our. Own contrary from home to go to. Outside the House the way they can save our life. We believe. Is a black like Marris, very important and everybody wherever they leave the have full. Embrace. The. Best position that simple deposition relation to say the black muzzle and we'll be a stand up and we speak out about that any goalie for Nash in dangerous position especially, our ship. Absolutely in. As, this black lives matter continues to develop now Nina US been line. America is sort of makes me a little upset at an an I don't know if you feel the same way as I do of the fact that you know Spanish speaking media here in the US would it be Telemundo? Zone. I would have to say have done a very poor job and giving the spotlight to for the community especially in the last eleven years I mean. We've mentioned medium Redonda several times already per voice should be heard a lot more often in the news and we should be much more aware of. The plight of the Gut Funaki in on Duris than we should. But you know Spanish speaking media doesn't reflect that and this is why English speaking media outlets like us are trying the best. We can to try to bring your voices out there but this is just my opinion I wanna get your opinion on. The failures I for lack of a better term failures of Spanish speaking media in the US for not giving more voice to food nut community in central. America. You're right and. When I watch the news every day and say, well, my dad, those people never say nothing. Wes going on a what's happening from doors with? People when you see them. The information you'll be her for three quarters Communica you become for. Mitzi call but never made said nothing about that. Happy to us. They make us feel. They make us feel like we're not. The because it We're not consign about that. So it's Also speaking with Clara. And we're trying to wash those people we to. Look. People to get. Information in her hands to say something about and they played they cannot see the play that in that hearing that only media can mention here in New York pulled on the is local local channel in Manhattan and we can say about something about that. They put. On that formation, our sides soup but. The media here in the United States if The media the people say that. L. Community what NSA nothing about ads that they're not concerned about. What's really. S. FAC is completely time for us. To know that yeah, this is one of my wishes right now as the black lives matter movement continues to develop that is not just about police brutality. Although of course, that is the central issue, but also to question institutions of power including places like Illinois and. To open their eyes were at very least reexamine. Why is it that they don't put more Gotti food voices you know and effort Latino voices on the airwaves especially when we're talking about serious issues like the Cullinan on Dudas and the virus is taking place against the owners in on us and also to mention that they're also gotti GONNA in Belize in in what the Mullahs and to a certain extent Nicaragua. Pretty much out the whole Atlantic coast of central. America. But much like Central America as a whole, it just gets ignored in in one form or another and it's it's nothing short of. Tragic. And Lazy on the part of journalism especially doing this. You know crucial period in Central American history you know there's one name that I forgot to mention, and this is also an example of disgruntled Gutty are facing in on Dudas is the case of Antonio denied this. So can you explain who went on Your Bernardus? Before, we finish with the media. In my opinion, the people fail they sell her in there if they felt. They, not really concerned about the weather in happen on the community they just. Speaking about win. The situation is very convenient. For Oligarchy. Representing the community interest. In my opinion. connecting by. Cutting. All the. They he'll. Take some information on endurance base convenient for their interest. I mean I was need to stay out about Antonio. and. Is there is. A Bam important person in the case of. The. Andhra. Daddy I. and. West, the one of the witness. The witness in the front of that HDD for. Dash. In the National Commission of Human Rights. And the National Court of Human Rights and Daniel Kim to what the Book. We put the cases and they went Costa Rica. We this to? Front of. Human. Right. Court. And Antonio. Tony what disappear for the beer for six date? Look on your daughter. 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Bernard And it just shows that the hundred pondering government is not just killing random getting they're trying to kill and assassinate the leadership, the intelligentsia of the community as a as a way to keep the community marginalize I'm not ready for now I'm the son of Salvadoran immigrants and I can tell you that a lot of what you just described sounds very similar to the. Military dictatorships of what the Mullahs No Salvador back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty S, and it's nothing sure shocking that this aspect of Honduran history not spoken a lot more often than it should not talking about the fullness we have about one minute left equity. I. So let me ask you this and you know what? We'll just end this last question in Spanish so. Finally what does affront ask from both the KUNAS living in the US and to all Hondurans in general who had been forcibly? What do you hope that they learn? 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"Baseball tonight the podcast. The baseball tonight. Podcast for thursday november twelfth. Two thousand twenty. The first of our offseason podcasts. With the drop every so often or new dictates in we are taping right after the mvp announcement producing from somewhere away from his home in connecticut. Is taylor buster. Only from my home studio in new york the mvp's they say. Were just announced in the american league. Jose debris of the white sox freddie freeman the braves. Here's freddie freeman talking about the award. Oh my goodness so So many emotions right now. This is absolutely incredible. Never did i ever think something like this could happen You know my dad. And i we were just playing. You know taking batting practice and having fun when we when i was a kid and you know look Look where we are now. It's it's it's amazing me to be able to share this with my family i. It's pretty special. The rookies of the year devin williams of the milwaukee brewers in the national league and the mariners kyle lewis in the american league perriman asian assistant general manager of the braves became the angels new general manager that announcement coming from the angels on thursday. Jeff luneau has sued the astros for breach of contract. He seeking more than twenty two million dollars after alleging his firing was a quote unquote negotiated solution between owner. Jim crane and major league baseball. Commissioner rob manfred alex cora earlier this week. The red sox announced his rehiring is their manager and he talked about his role in the asir sign ceiling scandal in time at home for the wrong reasons and for that i want to apologize. I deserve what happened this year. It was something that is something that i'm not proud of it. But you know we went through the whole process with commissioners office office the department of investigations and the end. I got my penalty. And i serve it. I wanna apologize for the organization to put him in such a tough spot coming into the season. You know. I never thought that that was was going to happen. I never thought. I was going to be in that situation. But i was watching from afar in leg told and i told everybody else a whole group when we decided to part ways. Sorry for for what happened and sorry for for what happened. During the year as a leader as a person that enjoys a game and love to manage for disorganization a tough spot and for that. I'm sorry the cy young award voting went down as we expect shane. Bieber one unanimously in the american league. In trevor bauer became the reds first pitcher to win the national league. Cy young award the managers of the year kevin cash of the raise. Don mattingly the marlins. Kevin cash was in sportscenter. Bucci talking about that decision. The last game of the world bucci asked him how often he thinks about that decision. It enters my mind every single day. There's a lot of people that are not can allow that. But i understand. I respect it and i think we're all these physicians to to give the best answers possible in the thought was that was what we thought was the best. Sorry i thought was the best thing to do to help us win the game. Unfortunately it didn't work if is a sickening outcome but that's the way it goes but just so proud of this team in want to focus so badly to go back on how special of a group the tampa bay rays were this year. But it wasn't going to bushy asked him. What do you make the same call. Now that he did in game six. I would make the same decision again. Just hope for a much better outcome. And that's you know being so respectful of everybody's opinion. That's out there. But that's what we do. And we pride ourselves on getting the most favourable matchups possible and in that moment thought that that was the best match up. now they don't always work and certainly that one did. I think we have to stick to our thoughts the information that is provided. And do what's best to help the team win on a nightly basis tailoring it to bring in here. I think you'd agree with me. You can't handle this whole episode. Better in terms of the answers and kevin cash has so polished in to be fair to him but he's probably sat in practice that answer many times over so i'm glad he was able to execute in the moment and hopefully he can move on as best he can from this. Because i'm sure this has just been a nightmare firm and you know what kevin knows this. He's going to be asked that about that decision next spring and spring after that in the year after that the rest of his dream. That's just the way it goes when you're in those positions right. The biggest news in baseball is new ownership in the new york. Mets new mets owner steve cohen and team president. Sandy alderson spoke with reporters earlier this week and he was asked about being in win. Now mode give a lesson. I i think we have a really good core players already. And so i think we're starting with a pretty good you know so. We got to work in parallel tracks here. Obviously we've got to build up our baseball management team we've got installed processes and and ways of doing things that sustain excellence over long periods of time. But you want to win today. Which means we're going to have to make sharps baseball decisions on. Who bring in who to go after that sandy's department like i've said they're going to be the experts and they're gonna make recommendations but i'm not in this for a short term fix. I'm really like thinking about this. Trying to build a sustainable franchise okay. I don't want to be good one year bad three years. Okay i want to be good every year. And that's the goal so you know that's the type of business in your team. I want to build over and over and over again in the next five years. You're going to hear this clip from steve collins. Press conference you know. Only one team wins the world series every year right so that's a pretty high bar but if i don't win a world series for the next three to five years you know i'd like to make it sooner than then you know. Obviously we consider that slightly disappointed. We're gonna be talking with steve jobs of s and why about that. Jeff passan as well before we get to. Jeff steve and paula. Mickey d's how does twenty five year old two time. Mvp get drafted fifteenth overall in a week. Draft class won't investigates the twists and turns that led to a franchise and league altering selection in two thousand thirteen a three part series that tells us unique story including interviews with individuals close to the process as well as a one on one. Sit down with honest himself. Check out the roads. pod special. The honest draft dropping monday november sixteenth. Wherever find your podcast covers the new york. Mets were s in wyant. And steve breaking news. The mets have won the winter. And we haven't even started. But i think we can announce that based on where the industry is based on What we heard from steve cohen. The other day almost declaring war in the national league as talking about the expectation to win the world series in the next three to five years as someone who's covered the mets for a long time As you know a big market team never really acted like a big market team when it came to spending. How different is this. Well you just have to expect right now that they're going to be in on anyone and everyone who makes sense for them so It's you know it's it's certainly a different way of looking at things when you've got an owner now who i mean. Let's let's be perfectly frank someone who is going to be know at the top in terms of of resources By a little. We're talking about someone who's net worth is more than be next three owners in major league baseball combined and i think that fact is already out there but what you saw with the press conference the other day is that not only does steve. Cohen have those resources but he is all in on using those resources to the best of visibility You know he talked about the line that stood out to me was i. I realized that. I could make millions of people happy and at his core. Steve cohen is a true blue and orange. Mets fan and i think he thought about it from his perspective of i know how happy i will be if the mets are perennial winner. And i have the power this rare power as a die hard mets fan to be the one that brings those championships that brings that success and You know every indication The other day was that he's going to do everything in his power to make this team and immediate contender. So you'll remember those hours in which there was some question whether or not mayor de blasio is going to somehow block. Steve cohen from becoming owner of the mets. When i heard that i know there are a lot of voters who are mets. Fans that he would ruin his relationship with forever going forward so that's not going to be a problem. What are some examples. The you've heard of the excitement level of mets fans over this change. Well you know it's been pretty evident. I generally i hate to use social media as a gauge. But in this case you know it's very rare that you get a hundred percent buying it seems across the board on social media and certainly that's what you've seen. I mean every single person that that i've interacted with that. I've seen in iraq with the mets official twitter. The and why official twitter my twitter account. It's just this. You know overwhelming a sense of excitement. And i think that extends to just people in my life who are mets fans. And i can't tell you about the amount of tax that i've been receiving over the last couple of weeks and then certainly as that press conference was happening and i think anybody that watches that press conference Would agree that it was a pitch. Perfect opening. presser. By steve cohen. You know as i was. I was a part of that. My phone was was buzzing off the hook with people that i've spoken to a lot recently with people that i hadn't heard from in years. Anybody who has a mets fan. That i do seem to reach out on that day expressing just you know insane level of excitement that that this team is going to be a team to be reckoned with each and every year. Yeah i heard from a a highly ranked executive on a national team afterward and he said if i were to grade them on a scale of one to one hundred he and sandy alderson would have gotten one hundred for how perfect that press. Conference was right trying to help me separate the wheat from the chaff on players. That you think illegitimately take a look at this winter. And i'll just ask you to guess who's going to be on the team. Because my guess is that i think george springer is gonna wind up on the team and i think there's a decent chance of francisco indoor how about you. I think those two are definite possibilities. I think trevor bauer is a definite possibility. You know most of the the really unique thing about this particular offseason and the way. The mets are positioned is that he could make an argument that that you know three best or three of the best free agents out. There are the exact three. Need that the mets clearly have going into next season you got catching with. Jt real mule. You've got you know starting pitching with with trevor bauer. And you've got centerfield with george springer. And i would not be surprised if the mets landed. Two of those three guys. I've kind of been leaning towards thinking that. They'll end up with george springer and trevor. Bauer if you go to the three. And then i think they're very well positioned to make the trade for francisco lindores well You know not only are they. You know again are these positions positions of of extreme. Need for the mets. But they're uniquely set because of the fact that it seems that every other owner is pulling back when steve cohen is gonna come in and go you know all in pedal to the metal. So i would not be surprised if you know if three of those four guys. If you're talking about real noodles springer bauer lindores would not stunned me. If three of those four were on the team next year. And i would expect that that two of those for as you know i. I don't know how you wanna say if anything like that is likely but I i would not be remotely surprised if that happened while All right so when george steinbrenner bought the yankees back in one thousand nine hundred seventy three. He famously said that he was going to be an absentee owner He was going to let the professionals do the work and then we saw what happened. He basically told them forever Steve concert something very similar the other day he made it clear. Yeah he helped you know he's he'll be involved. He said he was a quick study. What's your sense of what he's going to do and running the team. I think that we have to wait and see what this one and you know. We should take him at his word right now. I feel like cohn is going to be someone who right off. The bat is going to be in on every single miner discussion. He says he's not someone who micromanage is. He talked about the success. He's had in his day job quotes as he as he puts it just by hiring smart people and letting them do their thing. I think that's a big reason. Why sandy alderson is here. He trusts that. Sandy knows how to run a baseball operation and and wants to lean on him to do that work. And all that being said he'd cohen is clearly someone who is not going to settle for anything other than excellence. The words that were used in that press conference whether it was from sandy talking about the franchise could be iconic whether it was steve cohen. Simply saying that. I'm not in this to be mediocre. That's just not my thing That that says to me that no. Maybe he won't be involved in every discussion. I don't think you're gonna micromanage but he is going to hold people accountable and the job is not done to that faction. I don't think he's gonna stick around and wait for things to happen. He also said at one. Point that I'm paraphrasing here. But he said something. Like i'm not to letting people learn on the job on my time so you know he's going to hold people to a high standard but But i i don't think he's going to micromanage. It's going to be fun. You are going to have a blast that will be the most watched team in baseball next year. The most fun team in baseball for sure. All right steve. Thanks for doing this. Buster tritiated as always. Jeff passan covers baseball. Espn and jeff. Let's just start real quick with the awards. Was there anything in the four days of awards. Surprised you devin williams winning rookie of the year. Surprise me a little bit Typically when we look at rookies of the years in the past you don't have a guy with no saves. Who's a relief pitcher anywhere near that award and i think part of it honestly is the pandemic season in the fact that alec boehm didn't get one hundred forty games in that can bryan hayes Was up for only half the year as opposed to one hundred twenty or so games that he would have played a full season but Seeing devon williams win that award it surprised me that i think it's part of the the evolution of how we look at relief pitching now over sixty game season. I think there's a really good case to be made that he was the best rookie this year and that he was the best reliever in baseball. And i really love watching his changeup. It's just a great pitch. I it might be like the single most enjoyable pitch to watch a guy in the big leagues throw these days. Would he have been your choice. He would have been. I had the easiest vote of all american league. Cy young and shane bieber. of course. you'd animus there. I did not agree with jose. Abreu for aol. Mvp thought jose ramirez was just slightly marginally a little bit better but Totally understood why he won that I our is national league. Cy young. I had freddie freeman as american league. Mvp i think for the most part The be did a good job this year. Yeah i'm with you on jose ramirez. I don't know how you know in with this offensive. Statistics relatively close. I don't know how. Jose ramirez doesn't win just because the defensive impact on the other things that he does he such a good base runner too. It's like one of those sneaky things where you don't appreciate him unless you watch him every day but he's a smart baseball player and the fact that he plays the position At third base of impact and that plays it. Well i think that in this situation buster Wins above replacement actually hindered him. Because if you look beyond fan graphs where he was the leader if you looked at baseball reference war and he looked at war over a baseball prospectus Both of them ding his defense. And i i'm sorry in a sixty game see like over one hundred sixty two games already. Skeptical of defensive metrics for the most part Over sixty game season. I just think you should throw them out. I just think y- gotta do the eye test at that point. Jose ramirez is probably an average third baseman and i will take the average third baseman with almost identical stats to a first baseman. Even if he is the best defensive first baseman on the planet and jose abreu is certainly not that Yeah i completely agree with you on that all right so i wanted to get chunk. Wanna talk about the off season. it's going to be an absolutely fascinating off-season as the entire season was fascinating because of the context. And i think it'd before we get into specific names or what's going to happen with the best agents. I think setting that context is so important. Because there's gonna be a lot of weird stuff happening and people are going to wonder why it's happening. And it's because the context were we right now when it comes to baseball in two thousand and twenty one and collective bargaining agreement which is set to expire a year from. Now we are in a very similar place. I think to where we were in about april. Which is that because we have no idea where the pandemic is going to be going over the next few months. It's impossible to map out a season. It's impossible to know whether you know. Come the middle of february. When players typically reports spring training these facilities are even going to be open. Or if they're going to be open. Who's going to show up. Who's going to want to show up It's impossible to know whether they're going to be fans in the stands. And if there aren't fans in the stands at the beginning of the season whether it's because of a local jurisdictions determining that they can't be or otherwise are some teams going to want to play and some teams not going to want to play It's just a big question mark right now. And what major league baseball players association are trying to do is juggle way too many balls a but there's no other choice right like they have to be epidemiologists or at least consult with the best epidemiologist out there triumph project. Where things are to be going. They have to get a sense of the the comfort level of their players of their employees and of owners as to whether they want to start the season on time or not and if they decide not to buster if they decide not to play one hundred sixty two games. We're going to be running into the same issue that we did last year when the season was truncated and the sides couldn't come together honored agreement and not only we. Are we doing that. But we would be doing that. Against the backdrop of a collective bargaining agreement. That's expiring december first so there are so many different factors playing into this whether it's the pandemic whether it's the ability to get vaccines whether it's labor relations that it's all a big jumbled mess right now and try and prognosticate where we're going to be a few months down the road let alone a few weeks down the road right now is impossible. I think you're right in saying that we are going to potentially be in the same place where we are in the same place. Now that we're in april but it's also possible that We could be in a better place suddenly within a month. We get really great news on a vaccine. It's also possible. I think we're going to be a worse place when you february because of the cba and you to wonder how that's going to factor in And i also wonder and this takes us to the next question about what's going to happen the winter market. I wonder how the feelings are going to be on both sides if we in fact have this dramatic slowdown this winter. With two hundred and fifty unsigned free. Agents how those veterans and their feelings are going to manifest between the players sociation. Here's the scary part buster. We are about three weeks away from a bomb detonating and that is the tender date and for those who don't know what that means every year arbitration eligible players meeting people who have at least three years of service. There are some people in the in the two plus service class but mostly with three four or five plus years of service. There's a date by which they must be tendered or offered a contract now. The arbitration market is already thrown into flux this year because when the season was instituted by rob manfred it went back to the march agreement between the sides that did not lay out what arbitration is going to look like in a typical year. You know you have a sense of how players you're going to be valued because arbitration is a system. That's based on past precedent. Well all the sudden you have a bunch of players who have like forty percent of stats that they've had in the past and if there's no agreement between the sides then players are going to be compared not to those who are actually their peers but those who have far lesser counting stats than them in us the arbitration salaries could go down. That being said. I think that team see the number of free agents at there are already and say well if there are many guys out there now and if we don't tender contracts to more guys than the market is just going to collapse and we're going to be able to get a player who would have been a four or five million dollar player in the past and get him for two or three million dollars when you combine that with clubs going around and saying you know. We lost a ton of money last year. And we just don't have the payroll we did in the past that just compounds the problem so when that happens it's going to be very interesting to see where the market goes and how many names like real names guys who have been productive players in the past not just end up with lower salaries but don't end up with jobs at all yet taylor when you look for a title for this podcast you can say it's complicated because it absolutely everything you said is right there and then think about this. The arbitration system is built on a financial landscape that no longer exists and one of the more interesting guys in that realm to me is going to be kris bryant to talk for example where about where he stands You know with the salary. Take us through. What you think might happen with chris. Bryan we start to move to ground level and look at individual players. I mean look kris. Bryant is somebody who in the arbitration system is set to make twenty or so million dollars. Now maybe i'm being naive here. In thinking that the chicago cubs would just non tender him and that kris bryant would hit free agency a year. Early i mean. I almost feel like scott boras bright. You have a guy who it's free agency a year earlier than he would have otherwise but as teams have some. You know belt tightening going on these are the types of things that in the past would not have even been under consideration at very least are being discussed and not just with the cubs but but throughout baseball. Now when you have a system That works like arbitration does. And i you know jesse. Rogers has has reported this. I think it's not a secret that the cubs have looked trade kris bryant and are looking for a partner there It's going to be a difficult thing to do though Especially with the salary being what it is and with teams are already saying. Hey we are not going to have that kind of money this year and You know when when you're kevin gausmann and when you're marcus stroman in your accepting the qualifying offer in getting eighteen point nine million dollars for the upcoming season. You gotta feel pretty fortunate. Considering what's going to happen to some of their brethren yeah and along those lines this is what i'm hearing from agents from team executives in terms of what's going to play out they really believe as you said you know the bomb is going to be dropped on december second with the non tender date leading up to that. You're going to see You know possibly some trades more likely team. Just essentially the cutting free arbitration-eligible players because they feel like with a with a pool of free agency. They can get players who are comparable. It may be better prices There's an expectation that some veterans who like where they are We saw yuli gurriel do this in october. Essentially work out a deal for less money in salary. Saw josh tomlin. Basically say okay. I'll take a million dollars to pitch raves in two thousand and twenty one and then what i'm hearing is a lot of people think except for the big names that after that it is going to be deep freeze all over the place for most free agents. What are you hearing. Yeah i think so and and even with the big name free agents. I think it's gonna take a while. Now i have heard buster over the last twenty four hours or so that the starting pitching market may be moving a little bit and in that You know once guzman in stroman went off the market. It's almost like the trade deadline right. You know when you have players who play positions. It's tough to trade guys a lot tougher than a pitcher who can slot in among one of five and there are plenty of pitching hungry teams out there that don't want to be left out in the cold so You know looking beyond trevor bauer. A guys like masahiro tanaka Charlie morton jayco rizzi Richards drew smileys name. I'm hearing a lot taiwan walker. Mike minor corey kluber. I think there's a chance at the starting pitching market could be the first one to move this offseason but the position players man There are a lot of guys out there in the relief pitchers to especially Even though even though every Even though every team needs a relief pitcher In most teams need multiple. Relief pitchers there are going to be so many of them available They are just going to wait them. Out and I i cringe to think what's going to happen to some of these relievers in what they're expecting versus what they might actually get. Yeah as a gm said to me the other day. Those days of wade davis getting fifty one million or get sixty million. Forget it those days. Brad hand go ahead liam liam hendriks is going to be really interesting though because liam hendriks is clearly the elite guy on the market this year but Thirty two years old on opening day. a guy who has emerged late in his career. And i mean remember what he did in the postseason. This year was absolutely awesome. Just a gutty gutty performance in loved seeing him do that. So he's a guy you can trust in late innings but i you know is he going to be able to get milan-san money like that. That's a hard hard sell this year. Exactly all right. Gimme a read on the three best guys in the free a free agent market. Jt rail mutual trevor. Bauer george springer real. Mutola might be the most interesting one to be and let me just start by saying i think all winter long were just gonna hear the mets with all three of them. Just because that is what steve cohen coming into. The picture has done and i. It's going to be interesting going forward. Because i think we're going to hear the mets with everyone in the future until steve cohen illustrates that he's not going to be spending as much in free agency is people may believe and i you know as somebody whose job it always was in hedge funds to find undervalued assets and not to necessarily spend on blue chip assets that May be going down in value or not providing as much. I don't know that he's going to be so inclined to just lavish free agents with money. But it's clear. The mets want to improve in want to be the best team in the national league as next year and they need a catcher It's clear that the philadelphia phillies love. Jt real mutoko But you know the the sense that i've gotten from the phillies is They're not going to be big spenders. This offseason so You know. I don't know where real mu toes market is going to end up. In the end george springer probably is going to be the highest paid player in. Whether it's the mets are the white sox are even back with the astros I think a lot of people want him but as one person pointed out to me yesterday he said who was the last center fielder to sign a big free agent contract play centerfield the whole time and his answer was lorenzo. Cain but you know it's possible the renzo canes going to be moving to a corner at some point and george springer is the guy who's played center field and right field but He's going to be thirty one on opening day. The notion that he's going to sign for five years and is going to be in center field. The whole time I hope so because that needs ages really well but That's tough to see n. Trevor bauer of course is the wildcard. You know i love the idea of him signing a one year deal just because watching somebody at the peak of his powers. Go out and try to do. Like roger clements thing where he's just going a year a time and maximizing it as much as he can Is is a noble endeavor but man it. That's a hard hard thing to do to repeat the performance of winning cy young award And and so. I think if bauer can get five years at thirty million a pop He would have to take something like that. Oh yeah give especially where. The numbers have gone with the salaries around baseball of those three guys. I think if i were to pick one thing to bet the family farm back in vermont on it would be george springer going to the mets. Just feels like a good fit right. Handed hitting outfielder played centerfield. Right away helps a balance their lineup. Local guy checks every box. I totally agree with you. Actually and i have heard the same thing from pretty reliable people. The only question for me at that point is what did the mets do with outfield. Like is jeff mcneil. Move to third base. So what do you do with jd. Davis where does dominic smith played you. Trade him about brandon nimmo. Michael conforto was awesome last year. I mean it helps. Buster if there is a designated hitter in the national league but you gotta factor that in as well in the. The interesting thing is I think mike by mike banzon aid. Slapped me this. A couple days ago the mets it was either opium plus was like fifth all time. It was one hundred twenty two this year. Like the mets really hit this year. It was it was the bullpen and it was the mess of the starting rotation. And that's why look they're gonna go out and sign free agents The two best fits in terms of what they don't have our trevor bauer in jt. Real mutoko yup. Well they're gonna wind up with somebody good. They seem like just. It's one of the major questions that You know i ask agents. And i asked the club executives. Who's actually spending money this winter. The mets clearly are besides that the blue jays. There's a lot of thought that the san francisco giants have so many contracts coming off the books and the next two years could look at this off market and say let's take advantage of it and there is a theory around baseball that after everything that All the criticism that Jerry reinsdorf took over the hiring of tony larussa everything. That's going on that. You reported with a second or at least a second. Dui that we know about that there's going to be pressure on the white sox. Mint sure that the team is good. If in fact they keep larussa. Who else do you think might be spending. You know and other team if we're staying in the american league central. I think the minnesota twins are going to be aggressive and nelson. Cruz clearly is a priority there but they also need some starting pitching and So i think the twins are going to spend this offseason with perry manasian being hired as los angeles angels. Gm think that's going to be the start of them moving in the starting pitching market. They did a really good job. billy uploaded acquiring dylan bundy last year and half him under control for another year. Andrew heaney's guy has a didn't quite reflect what the peripherals did And he's a solid piece of that rotation but They need starting pitching help. And a when when you have mike trout and He has been in the big leagues for coming up on a decade now and he has played in three playoff games and not won a single postseason game. It is a mandate that you must surround him with better talent in. that's on already merano much as it. is anyone because right now There's just not a whole lot in the pipeline and terms of starting pitching and they need to go out and get guys. Try to win now last for you. Give me forty five seconds on these two topics francisco window. For what teams do you play on a boy shot. Hate to go back to this buster. But doesn't he fit the mets really. Well yeah and that's where. I can see the mets going out. And buying a free agent whether it is springer real mutoko or bauer and making a trade for francisco indoor and it would not You know you. You put out there. And i thought it was really smart column. How chris anthanetis fits really well in the president of baseball operations shop at the soccer anthony. Though could be chernoff. The general manager is well you know his father runs. Wfan is new york kid and coming home and bringing a shortstop with him would be awfully good. I don't see the yankees in play on the door. I know they've been mentioned a lot. And maybe that changes but at this point. I don't think that they're the fit for him. Especially because if we look at the shortstop market next offseason buster with havi air by as potentially with carlos correa with cory seager with trevor story. The can just go out and buy shortstop. And and i suppose the same for the mets but if they get lindores they would hope to do a mookie betts type situation with them and last one. I wrote about this today the team. That's absolutely confused. Me the most right now. Are the philadelphia phillies with how they're handling their front office situation. Especially in the face of what else is going on their division with the emergence of steve cohen. In the mets i. It's it's almost like they're just let it ride and There's a lot of confusion around the game when it comes to what the phillies are doing too. Because you know when you go out and sign bryce harper to a three hundred thirty million dollar contract almost the expectation that you are going to build around him and when you have somebody like alec boehm coming up doing what he did. Last year it's like the phillies are close. You know they've got nola to they've got zack wheeler to i almost wonder buster if they're just gonna lay low in start sniping relief pitchers as the market gets flooded and as the prices. Go down in. If that's part of their off-season strategy to take advantage of all of the arms that are gonna to be out there in rebuild the bullpen. That was absolutely disastrous. But the part. That's confusing and i agree with you. That definitely would be a strategy where you could follow but the part that i wonder about is okay. Who's implementing that strategy. And who strategy is that in his that person going to be in power year from now because of course. Andy macphail Heads of baseball operations there. It's pretty clear he's leaving. After next year. Mcclintock was just short shoved to the side is overseeing things in their front office. But it's not absolutely clear that he's going to be the vision for the team in two thousand and twenty two and why not pick that guy now when you have all these. There have been some some questions about well. Is this an effort on the part of the phillies to save some money. Which would be insane because you know. The amount of money spent on the incoming head of baseball operations relative to the value of the decisions that are being made right now. the cost. it's it's not even close and it's why one Baseball executive said to me what the phillies are doing. This offseason is very small minded. Yeah i mean are they. Waiting out theo epstein. I don't think so like that. I have not gotten any impression that if the theo obscene leaves the cubs after this upcoming season which is the expectation that he's going to be jumping back into to a baseball job at any point he might he might not but but going back to the phillies doesn't have the emotional resonance of doing it in boston at doesn't have the emotional resonance of doing it in chicago for the first time. Hundred years Yeah i i mean it's it's let's put it this way it's a very curious tack and and i think you're spot on with what you wrote. I appreciate that and thanks for joining by the way i also heard that. There's a chance at theo's exit from the cubs. Might be a lot sooner than what people think it made. The he may wind up leaving Before the end of the two thousand and twenty one season so we'll have to wait and see how that plays out jeff. Thanks for doing this. I'll be reading every day Likewise buster thanks for having me jump into the numbers. Matthew evaluating millions of leases of data lee playing the ads cincinnati by two hundred fine. This is him. Bono's an emo. Is paul in bikinis research. You'd espn is the show. And the show get and he tells us he the head honcho. I talked to mike greenberg. And he said that. Really what's going on lately. Hembo drinking heavily. Because he's affiliates. Fan is not very happy about what's going on with that. We'll get to that in a second but first with the awards. The mvp announced just a little while ago hembo. What'd you think freddie freeman. Jose abreu lester i think. Think that the Writers in this case got both of them on both of them. It's not often. That would say that but obviously this year being a sixty game season it's taboo different but to me. It seems like they voted the almost the exact same way that they would otherwise. And that sort of the issue. That i have your to me. It's clear that in the american league. Shane bieber was the player that produced most value. And i know that they're sort of Odd arguments around why people don't like voting procedures and all the rest of it to me. I keep it fairly simple. He produced more value considerably more value over the course of the season than jose. Abreu did to me. That made him the clear. Cut choice to win the award. I was surprised to see him so So far down ballot and in the national league. It was sort of a one a one b. Although i i will say personally lewke bedside thought provided more value to his team than freddie freeman did to his obviously freeman a hit like crazy and that seemed to me to be more of us sort of narrative driven awards but of a lifetime achievement. I think obviously we know that. The writers like the spread. These things out in bet said just wanted the american league. But as far as i can tell me mookie. Betts was the best player on an historically good team will be in a shortened season provided his team more value because he such a well rounded player. So if i had vote cheaper would have been number one For the american league for me. Mookie betts would've been number one in the naturally. I don't have the numbers in front of me. But i am where them You were talking about bieber. And his impact. He actually was involved in more plate. Appearances bieber was then bray was by a factor about twenty five I know some people would look at. Some people will look at bieber and say well he just pitched in twelve games. And how much of an impact does that. Well you know what. He actually was involved in more plate. Appearances than jose. Abreu the phillies. I wrote a column about them today. And saying that They seem like they're absolutely adrift right. Now they're your team. What do you think. That's a good way to describe the phillies. They are adrift right now. They sort of went all in In this year and even last year to some extent and had not very little to show for nothing to show for it and miss window seems to have closed on us rather unceremoniously Of course the the most notable player of whom Not be back is gt realmuto who has become a fan favourite and become very hashtag -able player because obviously just about every philly fan wanted them to resign him and of course it doesn't seem like that is the case. Now what i what. I can't quite narrow down. Buster though is this team this team like close at all and whether or not maybe a new general manager sort of realized the program and eighty provide. I don't know three or four more wins next year and maybe get a few things right on the fringes because in sixty games at least played buster the phillies lead in forty nine of them. The dodgers and the twins were the only teams in baseball to lead in more games phillies team in baseball. The phillies went missing the playoffs. Because of a bullpen era near seven it was legitimately the worst bullpen of all time. So on one hand feels to me like the they're so far afield that almost rebuilding project or at least a reset Might be an order on the other hand. You might think adding a few impact arms. You made you sort of running back again next year. The big question the big elephant in the room of course is can they resign. Realmuto with with the mets charging him with the maybe position to sign a catcher. That's obviously everyone's thinking about sort of unpopular opinion. Here is you don't overpay for the catcher. You can because the war ceiling if you will is so much lower for that position and others if you spread that money around elsewhere but there aren't a lot of relief rents were all that interested in madsen in by the way about that. I've had executive say that to me that when you look at the group of free agent catchers there are a lot of good plan b's Behind jt like jt is clearly far and away the best player at his position in baseball. But in the free agent market from james mccann many other rhetoric available. There are a lot of ways to go where you can hold down the position and be credible We talked to steve jobs. We talked to jeff passan about the new york mets extensively besides the mesh. Give me a team to watch the team to winner. Busted either even more interesting than the mets because they have the crown jewel of the off season. They have francisco indoor door and i just went on a tirade. Mookie betts should have won the mvp. That'll be franscisco. Indoor look at how impactful. Mookie betts was on that same. Let's just the year before impactful petra. Corbin was on that team. Obviously that was a free agent signing the each of the last two world series champion made a really impactful moves the season before they wanted francisco. The door for my money is the best player that could change teams this offseason but the fascinating piece of this to me is that the indians are still really good. This pitching staff run prevention standpoint beside said the best year albeit shortened season in history of the american league so you wonder a can get for him and be how much present day talent they can get form. Because the indians really don't need to hit the reset button the way that some teams do they're already jose ramirez. Was the runner up for the american american league. Most valuable player award. This is a team. That's really good right now. Obviously they have sort of prized asset. This is the season that they're likely to unload him but to me. That is most interesting interesting team in baseball offseason because they have the crown jewel and because they still might position themselves to be good again next year. Before you go. We've talked about the big names of free agency. Gimme a value free agent. Because that's really promote was teams is going to be the focus finding undervalued assets in the free agent market to names buster position player. One pitcher the position player. This time ya stella a player that led major league baseball in strikeout-to-walk rate last year. He doesn't really add much value with the glove but he at least can play a few different positions and sort. It does add value in that way. This is a player who last season on three hundred and fifty eight swings produce fifty three hard. Hit balls against forty swings and misses. We're talking about any leaks that to ball profile hand eye coordination. And you know me like i'm always interested in finding market inefficiency. This is a unique player. And that kind of player provides a lot of value on the pitching side jacob. Rizzi to me. He is a sleeping giant. And it's free agent class is player one year removed from us talking about whether or not he deserves a nine figure contract. He had comparable season. Zack wheeler in twenty nineteen and obviously wheeler scheinin figure with the phillies odor as he has stuck at profiles plus plus when he settled theology. That was not the case in twenty twenty but again a unique four senior cutter a splitting of their unique pitch profile and again. I like finding value in the margins. Anytime you can find a player. Who can you upside in different ways than the average player out there that profile owed more than the mainstream. I like those people. So tommy de la. In jacob busy are those people for me. Plus jake is a really good guests on our podcast which the even more right and that goes without that goes without saying on his baseball reference page and before he let me go buster and taylor. You know this already. I have been inundated by agents from hollywood asking about my ability to sing professionally now. This extraordinary rendition. That provide by dashboard. Confessional in our last time. I would you know that this might be the last time that we seek because this might be the last time that you can even get to me without going through my social media way to election results right take care. Thank you voice. Bleacher tweets all ready. Buster bleacher tweets for thursday evening. I we have over in sleep walker at oran eighty three or and writes in. What is the reasoning of having the individual ward winners declared that late after the world series concludes. It's not taking that long to count the votes. Why not announce right after the world series or even in the middle of the playoffs like the nba or keep this in mind Major league baseball does not control any of the awards. Those are controlled by the baseball writers association of america and i suspect the reason why they wade is because they get more attention like if they do it. In the middle of the world series there might be some controversy or some decision like heaven caches. Decision at blake. Now that's going to overshadow that and so the writers have always held it to the off season and And i do think it's people ask all the time. Well why do they wait. And why don't they make the decision on. Ps until after the world series over now the award is for the regular season and the writers turning into votes right at the end of the regular season. Got it next up. We got rid gambler at rick. Underscore gabler he writes. Does the volatile market help or hurt the position of teams looking to flip twenty twenty one free agents to be like linda for boy. I think it hurts them. Generally speaking let's face it. All assets the value the perceived value is down. But i think that the return that the indians would get on lindores gonna be pretty close to what the mets for me. The red sox got from. Okay bats it's gonna be something close to that where you get a prime guy like alex purdue go as a centerpiece the deal in two other decent paces next up. We got debbie gammons around dgb. She writes in. What is your response to the approach. The red sox took and hiring back. Alex cora and why do you think. They considered other candidates. Well i think they may have just taken the opportunity to talk to other people for exploratory purposes. I've heard this. You know some of the best general managers liked to talk with people of other teams even if they don't think that person's gonna fit the job that they're interviewing for maybe down the road. They become a bench coach. Or maybe they get a front office job. you don't turn down the opportunity to really smart people. I was surprised though that it took as long as it did for them to lock in the alex. Cora hiring i you know i said back in september i thought the red sox would have been crazy not to pick out from what i understand is very touching go as to whether or not alex. Her fold was going to be the manager. Interesting last one up. We got jeff brooks at ge brew five. He rates in. Should the white sox dig deep and make a big multi year deal for trevor bauer. I mentioned that there folks with other teams as say. If you're gonna have tony larussa is the manager. You better make sure he's got the players. And i suspect that there's going to be more pressure on jerry reinsdorf to make a big splash is trevor. Bauer going to be that guy. I don't know. I kind of agree with with jackson was stephen. I i look at the mets. And i kind of wonder about it. Fit there already doesn't bleacher. Tweets hashtag bleacher tweets on twitter. Keep them coming as we march on through the offseason buster. What's our plan here. What are we thinking as we go into the off season you know. I think that the next one that we're gonna do might be after that. Nintendo date on december second so maybe in the morning of december third is that makes sense because that they're going to be so many decisions on could players like kris bryant that we're gonna wanna talk about And then you know depending on if there's another big free agent signing we'll do another podcast for the christmas Before christmas holiday that good to me please. Subscribe and review this podcast. Wherever you get your podcast because that way when we do that big free agent when they signed are we do. The podcast shows up on your phone just like magic. Thanks everyone and that's it for today. My thanks the jeff. Steve hembo and taylor have a great day. Everybody thanks for listening. Stay safe and especially stay safe. The the coronavirus numbers that we're seeing all across the country and remember hayden inequality based on skin color. Something we need to fight against every single day. Thanks for listening to the baseball tonight. Podcast if you're playing fantasy baseball don't forget to listen to the fantasy focus. Podcast checkout all podcasts at espn dot com slash. Podcast separate baseball. Tonight the podcast.
MINI POD: Game 2 of the 2019 Finals
"Playoff time is when things start getting serious on the court players are more driven than ever to win these big games, and keep advancing good knows all about being more driven to working hard to help you advance on and off the road. Let Goodyear dot com help you choose what's best. He got he has to take away tech one two, three four five six seven eight nine ten he's still has confetti three four five six seven eight nine. Gucci. Oh, three two one one two three. What did three? Hello, welcome to the hoop collective game. Game to hear warrior's tie the NBA finals, one one, I am here with a special special guest Pablo, Tori. I'm wearing glitter like Kendrick Perkins. Philipino filipino. I was told to do that through glitter on everybody earlier. Cassidy Hubbard back again. And perk, we are literally three feet right now from Drake seat. You were you were in this exact spot last year getting into Drake's face. I mean right on the spot. Will you blame me? No. Okay. Your cell tired. For the moment. No trying to trying to let it go. But it do bring back memories though saying Drake's troll game tonight was a little lame almost got dream on technical. The referee, let him get away with it. I was more thinking about his sweatshirt, which was Kevin McAllister and the writing of Kevin from home alone. Did you know that it's Kevin, Kevin McAllister from home alone? Did you know his last name, Galveston I did? But Brian, I was very distracted because I was sitting in rows behind Adam silver, and Bronco and so trade. Brad. Most famous guy that was in the. Checkout perks tweets. But Drake is like, you know, the thing so. The thing that bothers me about Drake is that Drake is kind of like the definition of a front runner. Right. So when things are going, well, he's up off the bench. He's talking noise. And then like when his team is down. He said, you can't get a word out of you gotta be the same way. What is how low right? Here's the thing about this is a great basketball city today, have a great basketball atmosphere, absolutely. But perk, you know, this for some reason, this is not that tough of a place to win. And in the third quarter happens here. Everybody went out into the into the hallways. There was nobody in the bowl the start of the second half and I'm not saying that, that it does matter when there's no energy in the building, because that's when the game was lost it do matters. Specially for for this team, I think, for this one so team I think they feed off the crowd, and I think a lot of teams that they first time being in the finals. That's the reason you fight for. Home, could you feed off the crowd? And then all of a sudden, you come out the crowd dead is no energy. And then all of a sudden, go to stay going to eighteen nothing run. I mean. That's a great team. Eighteen and a lot of open shots. Jed goes on drought scoring drought. There was like a twenty two six run, but it was dead in here. I, I was one of the people who was not in my seat in time, and I sat down you were hanging with open with Obama, always. Jealous jealous. Pretty damn seats hanging over. Yeah. No, we kidnapped here's been executives and stole. There's this sure that you rate that high ESPN. We'll talk about that. I'm ryan. I'm poisoning. People until I think the fans in here also understand like it. It's real, the threat of the warriors is real. And so, like, as much as they may believe in their team, I think from experience, they know that the warriors can snatch your soul. Very quickly. And I think that's part of it. That cheer point. Yes, this this arena. You know, you can win here, but also it's the warriors. I mean, how many people got hurt, in this is they have the heart of the champion this show. I love being in Toronto people stood outside in line for drastic part for eight ten hours today. There was no energy in this building when they needed it most. That's I'm just unfortunate perk at the end of the game. That was where the game was decided in my opinion but at the end of the game it's a one possession game. There's twenty nine seconds. I think twenty seven seconds, twenty seven seconds. What do you do in that situation out the foul? That's what I think, so. Crazy. You have the foul and as in this essay like for like. It comes from the coaches, but it also comes from the players like you have to be aware that you got to save as much time as possible. You gotta make it a free throw game after their hope. They miss give possessions, but they didn't like I said, we always look at the end of the game situations and see why they lost. But like we said, we'll never look at the like, you know, first second and third quarters to mistakes that have by the way Steph almost costume game tonight, too, by the way house technical. Technical, he almost turned over the ball, that most gotta still on this. Right. Got to the he probably would have got it wasn't one hundred percent tonight daily with an illness. I must say that the, the warrior, I was in the in the in the back by the warriors, locker room the whole game, the action, the warriors locker first off the worst training staff getting Andre ready to play that was big being able to hit that dagger. I mean clearly and actually it would ally in the back after the game was crediting Livingston for getting the ball to him because there was trapped common beat the trap looney. What happened? Okay. Collarbone sternum. I don't know what I'm allowed to say when I'm not allowed to say, I, I saw I saw them working on his right shoulder. Okay. I don't know. They said, sternum shoulder, I is that how did how close those are? Then obviously clay, but then Steph went back there and whatever they did when he went back there because he was looking. Yes. Right. And then they whatever they gave him back there. Whatever gels or aerosol was eating a lot of jails on the sideline doing shells. He was eating jell what do you eat jealous? Tell us what gel does he have you taken gels before. Been queasy on on the bench. Can you Perkins face could not be any less than pathetically ideal not at all? Because this is my thing you could be sick, like, once you start playing. It's like that goes out the window. You know what I mean? Like I'm serious. That goes out the window endless, we gotta quit making excuses for still Kurd. This is his stage. K D is hurt. Now. Clay is her is his stage to step up. Like, okay. Yeah. You might have a little cold some sniffles, but we gotta go out here and play basketball, and he did he came back, and he did whatever definitely better after that locker. Visit. But by the way after this game. Trae mon- comes over to park trae mon- looked like a conquering hero, man. Why defending him at the end pushing the ball dream on what it was. He for you guys to misreading about. I mean he's one of my favorite players because I think the things that he brings to the table is invaluable. And I told Brian is he's everything that you own the. Football player. I mean it's nothing that he can't do. And he proved tonight. And when he said the day that he's the best at what he do. And he might be the best defender of our. Yeah. How can you disagree? We never seen a guy that six six that could guard one through five like we never seen that in life. Like. Yeah. You could say Dennis Rodman, and Scottie Pippen, but Scottie Pippin never had to guard a firemen or Dennis Rodman, never had the go to a shoot a Kawai Linda or something like that. So at the end of the day, I, I love joy and light, I think he's the heart and this team I say this time and time again and the things that he brings to the table is invaluable. He gives them swaggie and everything. So DeMarcus cousins, I think a little bit of a gutty decision. Stardom. I think this is a little strategy to with, you know, kind of maintaining health throughout in having him, come off the bench and it being kind of cold as opposed to just starting that means they're rehabbing DeMarcus cousins in the NBA finals. They played them twenty eight minutes. I don't think they wanted to play twenty minutes balloon. He got hurt and they eat a bogus came into me. Three huge baskets, my God. The three of the biggest volleyball plays where he just. Yeah. Throw it up there to him. I mean that was big. And I mean coming back from he hasn't played in six weeks as credible. And this, you gotta give him his cO and on there, because which way bogut and cousins, they flat out. I play Consol answers like it wasn't even close. So you gotta give a lot of credits book, because he came out and he played extremely well, both teams your guy in the back, by the way Durant. When when I made that shot would he do? Well, see I I had our truth when I call it. What is it called the? Feet. I had like the actual live live feed. Okay. And where K D And the warriors front office was watching the game was on, like the four second delay the security footage. Yeah I had the secret feed. And so, basically, I knew when they were gonna freak out like four seconds early. And so when Iggy hit that shot. I just looked over there. And K D like. There were, there were words said that we can't say on this podcast. But basically, he was like, it's one one and we're going home around. Some other words he was really excited. So so fired up back there. We'll Katie always been a great a great teammate. And that's that's the thing you know, like, you know, some people say, why is that idea why he's not on the bench? Will you rather have him on the bench? You rather have him in the back getting treatment around the clock. You know the try to prepare sell to even play in the final. So he's it also prize me at all. He always been a great teammate since we've been in. Okay. CNS. Just the type of guy players care about having you know maybe their star player who's injured on the bench mean lease. He's in a hallway dapper them up on the way they really thinking about that. I think is, I think is a lot different when you when you're talking about Golden State because they championship team. You know, they've been the finest five straight years, so they don't need Kevin Durant on the bench. Now you talking about Toronto Toronto Raptors in Linda maybe hurt. Yeah. They may lead his his his leadership. But when you talk about it saying that they went to five straight finals, you, definitely, you know, need Kevin Durant on, on the bench cheering you on when you can have them in the back getting treatment, and getting ready to possibly play on the phone. He was found sit around and clay was hopping around. But that's the question right? You come out of this with a win. But the desperation to get him back has only intensified. What's more desperate than ever like does he come back for game? Three is then to me now we're going to have a forty eight hour. Wait and see on clay, and Katie. And I mean, if the raptors have to have to feel I mean, there's one one so okay, but Rapids have to feel really terrible that they weren't able to take advantage of clay being out Steph, having sickness Igwe up being somewhat hobbled looney getting hurt. They've well, thank solo Brian. I don't think I think if I'm if I'm if I'm to Rondo I, I have a good feeling in going to go to stay, because one, I thought Golden State should have put should've stepped on Knicks. When they had the chance I thought this should have been a blow out. And by letting Toronto hang around. So when you go on the film Nick knows probably going to say, hey look guys we right here in the game. You know, we right here, the whole time we weather the storm. We came back. We gave ourselves a chance to win. So at the end of the day, you know you go back to the drawing. Boy you go back and watch. I mean, they had so many unforced turnovers careless turnovers. And yet they just kept. Grinding lot of wide open, miss shots absolute naked grinding it out novel suddenly comes down to, you know, a one possession game at the end when it should have really been twenty five point blowout, by the warriors. So I, I still remain convinced that this is going to be a tight series. I just don't know who's going to be available to play. That's right. I mean we come into all of these series of these Xs and knows breakdowns. And then it turns out that human bodies are just these meet sacks, and they fall apart. And that's the story. I mean, if the warriors come out with strengthened number shirts on they're on the chairs for grain three. We're really going to be testing, if that's true because they're going to need those tough, white right, permanent five and a half hours. You know, that doesn't help injured bodies. I don't think I just I just feel like I think now this guy is going. I think the series going said, I really do that. I'm looking at it, and I'm like, man. These any given night, you know, know who goes step up either team like cook came up big. I haven't seen him hit a shot in months, and he came up hit big three's. When the rafters was making runs, you know with these injuries down in collaboration has his best game. And some a couple of silly fouls like a couple of questionable. Yeah, he will. Yeah, but that's six foul was dumbfounded. I was done. And, and he's been in foul trouble throughout the whole playoffs. He he can't take himself out. Maybe, maybe if they had him on the floor at the end smarter. His time, though. Yeah, good. All right. I've gotta go. Gotta go beyond stuff, amped up. Thank you. 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Ablaze ep#14 Onwards
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156: Kilometre 0 Italy's other mountains
"You listening to kilometers zero by the cycling podcast powered buys West. The fitness up with fun is fast. Could. Barely even it's a second stage victory from the first. Takes. On stage nine, jared Italian, whatever chills were produced by stage nine. This is generally Talia on Sunday maybe owed more to weather than drama but at least a couple of ways, the two hundred, eight kilometers between San Salvador Caracazo, contain the essence of the Court Sarah Not only because the day ended with a hint of Control Vesey a pizza Cov Paul Anka. Riding a real asshole today. As it journeyed North into. Abruzzo the Jira began its I knew immersion in the land or amongst the peaks where the soul of Italy truly lies. The appetites are known to Italians as their homeland call on variety rally or backbone unbroken twelve hundred kilometers chain stretching from Likud Calabria not so much mountain range or geographical feature as the country's very fiber and Mario. Almost three thousand meters to the highest point, the Koran of sauce. So the idea they're green but rugged increasingly deserted by humans but run by Wolves Chamois and just a few dozen hardy Brown Baz. Journalistic career there. Forget yards forget your knees forget to determine resort the shelley it's something it's like. Being in a in a movie of the seventies is everything seems grades in Raff. Sim says not it's not. They're not charming at first glance. To the APENNINE especially the opinion out of Italy because they are. They are tough land of Shepherd. Deserted because a lot of people left to go to the to the CDs. To roam out to be a citizen the center so you have to discover kilometers. By kilometers that when you pill apparently, they are not too long not too difficult that. In some tracks you have A. Series of it are maybe maybe art and during the winter or during. October in March. Of the weather is awful. So it's better to go to the obser-. Then to the opinion so. Everything you do year cycling is are. A lebaron difficult. Does. That are. GOING ON A. Lot bungee roles difficult. I'm Aris, picky and come from to skinny. But HIGA. When I think about the. Suffering. Not. In beautiful peaceful places places whereas beautiful to ride but less to race not least because the weather sometimes. Their more famous harder climbs. But of the ones I've suffered on the most in my career Montana where Pantani used to train. To visit I'd say, so beautiful anyway you go in Italy, you'll find amazing places and especially in those areas. Out. By banning. Credit joining in these classic count of the Nineteen forty-nine, Theodore? Dino. Described that editions appenine expedition from Rome to pay zero the. Bitter. To traverse the heart of Italy at breakneck speed, not be able to stop. This is where Italy is most like Italy, where one hundred thousand memories of major are starting even those with the most basic education. But this lawns speaks to even someone who's never been to school in his oblivious to centuries of history even to military person. I'd only Philistine wouldn't want to stop here stretch out in the shade of a tree with the birds singing overhead and gaze passing swallows and the happy clouds flipping between castle turrets. Salonen. You listening to kilometer zero by the cycling podcast powered by swift the fitness APP. That turns indoor riding into a game. Explore endless roads, race riders from all over the world and fitness with monthly training plans and structured workouts. Join the world's training playgrounds left fun is cost. Goethe's with DOT COM and start your free trial. I'm Mike Woods with F. Pro cycling. With me breaking my Femur I had bad injuries in the past particularly when I was a runner, I had a stress fracture. Form a big regrets runner was after breaking my foot. A. Was casted for two and a half months just not mobile at all and I think ultimately was what put the nail in the coffin of my running career some big lever when rehabilitating to still incorporate movement into recovery through the help of. A physiotherapist in drowning Richard spink get my knee flash into an angle where I could get my. Leg around the. Pedal. And doing. So I get back on the trainer about two weeks and. Even, though I was riding for only fifteen minutes with at an out of fifty watt. That movement I think really increased my feeling and not just helped physically mentally the act of just doing some physical activity in the day was. Was Really. Cathartic. Yeah I'm a huge fan of it. I think it gives you. It's a salon more difficult to really push yourself when you're just alone and when you get on five from swift, you get that same level of competitiveness and I put out some of the biggest numbers in my life odds with just because of that competitive your. God Prima. Mattie. Sick. Bitch. To. Face. On nine. Top a melrose inevitably, a natural barrier that he's almost Honda to circumvent on a tour of Italy than it is to overcome has given us famous pages of history. The euro ventured beyond thousand meters for the first time on the third day of inaugural edition in the APP nines or Carrizo. Twelve. Years later on the nearby Valley caudill mature owner and exhausted Costantini Jira dangle the first. `Campionissimo climbed off his bike and theatrically sketched across the gravel road with the end of his pump announcing Gerard Bengal stops here. But despite their rich contribution to Jira folklore climbs of the two thousand to start your blockhouse or come point predatory. Well, the face them notoriety of San Pellegrino in alpay Monte Capena the is remain almost an afterthought in conversations about the Jiro and it's mountains Like poor country cousins to the out. So dolomites or even worse completely unheralded under recognized Larry where are the apennines? are there In the Middle Italy like I'll now wait. Now, they must be just north of Genoa. The Zero del Apnea Pino finishes in Genoa humor about the only place they are what you think may extend over cloudy bigger distance maybe slightly bigger, but I'm not sure. Can. You name any climbs in the upper nines now? BLOCKHOUSE Ahead of that. Oh Shit so They're pretty Big Ben. I think that's more like on the northeast of Italy I. Think. So happily, it wasn't everyone I'm some and then I'm from team show up. A quiz question just awesome. If you guys do you know the name of the range of mountains during today happenings? Jura direct tomorrow venue was born in the apennines of sudden Tuscany for years before graduating to his current job. Vinnie. Also designed directed one stage race that truly celebrates the range tirreno-adriatico. Yep. All. Thing. Roll side job. Yep a big part of the Italian landscape. You may not find famous mountains in the APP nines. But as a race organizers, you can create any course that super steep ramps climbs difficulty far exceeds that reputation. So the apennines apart of the fabric of the Jira. Unfortunately I say fortunately but release also a blessing. We also have the coastal regions that we have to show off in central. Italy but the lines are really beautiful. The market. Is One of the most beautiful areas, and of course, I know well from the Pitino. Beautiful hilltop towns, medieval villages that are among Italy's real jewels. The Madcap Nines and the APP of Emilia. Romagna legis go just. The northern apennines have more cultural architectural appeal then in the South Bay, appenine wilder and more natural. I think you have to have balance you have to have sprints you have to have transition stages with some hills and you also need stages with really big mountains in the definitely find hard climb steep ramps walls as we call them but I think you need long climbs fairly steady gradients where you can open big gaps the steep ramps spectacular but they don't offer that much from perspective because the top guys don't want to attack now. We. Live in this week, venue will offer a tear or star like breaker to doctorate lead on Tuesday and an even tougher mice. PANTANI's all training roads on Thursday. But does ever these will be Anticosti to the main meals of the final week the dolomite an Alpine climbs weather permitting that will anoint the race win and images into the minds i. It was, of course evidence with one night will exception in two thousand and nine for the racy centennary venues predecessor Angeles. Oh. Mignon took an almost inconceivable to many types unpalatable punt. Plotting upside down Jira the skim the DOLOMITES announce before climaxing in the nines. So many queen stage left commentators open mouth, not because of its terrifying difficulty. But because in the racist centennial year, it shunned the summits the cheer turned into National Treasures. Cristiano Gutty of Journalists said that zone yawns appenine experiment was akin to heresy. multi-role gaviard Stephenville Allan Poe toy on yellow. In a land that's morphological teaming with prestigious summits you'll patron has achieved the feat of avoiding all of them. Give him his remarkable talent a standing ovation. One Hundred Years of epic battles a century of toiling up and down pastures mountains. Another big centenary edition is going to be decided by time bonuses. Like a midsummer Kerr Mass. Like Toronto Andre Attic. WHO Suddenly lost the self-proclaimed true connoisseurs are telling us that Monday stage in the market will be absolutely all inspiring. From what they're saying the more it all on his own Cologne are no more frightening than a Mass Bowl One name looms horrifyingly over the race Monte patrol. But level with me who's ever heard of monty pretrial. What the devil is Monte Paterno. Where the devil is mortar decry. Zome in patron never lived it down indeed within two years he'd been replaced and order was restored together. We'd be out and Dolomites in that prime time third week slot. Returned to tradition and common sense perhaps or just to the dogmas that have become ossified council fide, the flanks of those stories climbs. BAENA tricky. I'd say tricky underestimated as you said, action movies starting. Sport director boy. Avi. Hundred Sixty seven. Five kids you never know what's around the corner. Let's put it that way we have been you know. They always hide some think they can be quite hard. They can be quite by t in terms of. Stuff can happen in a grant I mean as Jiro. I keep saying you know these sometimes to hundreds to to to empty the SU- Kahad it's not the race. Course what's what makes a race hod but it's right is what makes the race hard you know. So you can go when the shortest eight, hundred, Forty, eight throw in some stuff like that on on it'll be con- agents stuff happens sometimes when it's too long too hard and hours and hours of of of writing and even you know TV coverage it just makes it. Not Fun you know. On the shorter stuff sometimes, how would the average people do on the gatherings they have on the bike equipment it's like fast and hard and get it over with and let's make stuff happen. So why not? Spend. Pretend looking starry. Don. King. Donna. So now teaching, you may soon me the F. Pino. To Scott Cicle think that people are folded apart in Tanna. lowdown global capital Michael Went. Both are. Senior nine King Donna soon. Folly. Love immediately when you are in. The. 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PHI/TOR and POR/DEN Game 7s; POR/GSW Look Ahead; Vogel to Lakers
"Well, one scribe a frequent guest of this podcast, Mark Stein. Said that this going in looked like the best second round ever on paper. I agreed with them, and it absolutely lived up to its billing. We gotta talk about that crazy guy shot and the raptors ninety two ninety victory over the Sixers another great game in Denver with CJ McCollum scoring thirty seven to lead Portland to an upset victory on the road. And then we will preview the Western Conference finals and make our picks in which one Danny Larue, experienced the glory of getting right? A game seven victory on the road for the blazers. But first we just have to talk about what quiet Leonard did in this game for the raptors, including of course, that ridiculous vinyl shop, right? And I think this put into stark relief just how and why the trade that messiah jury had the guts to pull off in the off season happened because a lot of these Leonard shots, you know, he didn't have the greatest night. From the field sixteen of thirty nine. I mean, the thirty nine is absolutely astonishing there. But I want to start with the fourth quarter. So quiet, Leonard six of nine in the fourth quarter. But every single one of those attempts was a jump shot. He was just taking these hard shots going into the last game of the going into the on tired legs most of them. Well, contested not all of them, but most of them will contested. And he was just huge. He was massive in this game taking and making the shots that derozen allow ary in prior years just couldn't really put together. And so they were able to win this massive game win this massive series and go to the conference final yell Leonard started off just having to take it to the rim. Ada thirteen at the rim in the first three quarters because he couldn't buy joke shot he missed his first eight jumpers was only two of twelve on jumpers got a two minute rest, very briefly at the start of the fourth drama actually extend the lead by two during that period. And then he came back fresh as a daisy five of five for mid range and. One three pointer, including that incredible fading jump shot over Joel Embiid. We're going to talk a lot more about the very end of this game. But just that shot, which we again at the privilege of doing live on the NBA cast, it just the only shot of that type of significance that I can remember, I guess there's two that come to mind and be history. Even though it didn't bounce around as much one was Don Nelson's crazy shot in game. Seven of the sixty nine files at bounce thousand feet up in the air and threw that wasn't a game winner and then Allan Houston, which wasn't technically a buzzer beater, but won the series for the New York. Knicks a floater that goes from the free throw line in game five nine hundred ninety nine which was an eight one series that bounced way up in the air and dropped through this one was even more than that. And seeing it bouncer on and just staring with our mouths agape. And that led to that icon ick photo of Embiid trying to like look around the backboard and see whether it was gonna bounce it and Leonard head. Time to actually get down into a squat at try to will the ball into the basket. It was just one of the most iconic shots in NBA history and it joins Damian Lillard 's as defining iconic shots from these playoffs. I don't want to compare the two because they're they're very different. And I love each of them as emblematic of that player Lillard having the having the guts to pull that shot over Paul George, and then why running around basically getting getting a second defender on him. Getting a great contest throws the ball sky high and just puts it in because Leonard he can he can make ridiculous shots. He's an incredible player. And I think to go from there. I want to start from. On that chart to he said Roz golden at the game that he tried to get as much arc on it. And that was clear from that bait has it baseline camera view, he shot it so much higher than his door will shot, which is usually pretty flat. And nonetheless, like just has amazing touch me. You're not usually from that far out. But there's so many shots that he took in this series that were short and just kinda died on the rim had the requisite back spin on it and bounce inform. And this was I mean, he probably had ten of those in this series. And we take a lot of shots. You get a lot of chances for. But that was just to have it bounce four times like that. And just the agony of just all. Thank God, he missed Ono. This might go in its bouncing monster with each bounce. It's more like that it goes in. And then finally it just daggers right through your heart. I mean, I couldn't I can't imagine what that must have been like as a competitor for the Sixers to see that. That's the shot that you're gonna lose on well, especially with the game that was so physically exhausted. Like, you're you're sitting there, and you're like, okay, okay. I'm. I'm sure they started some of them started thinking about overtime. And then not not only do not get overtime. Your season's done. You season is over. And I love my personal favorite are shots. The turn a loss to a win. But this was just gargantuan. It was a massive shot, and especially with the with the fan base that has been tortured the way that the raptors have and this is no way like making the conference finals is a great step. It doesn't absolve all of those things all of that pain, but a huge shot. And I think another important thing to talk about at the very beginning to be the story of this game was the guy who contested that shot. Joel Embiid played forty five minutes in this game. Twenty one eleven for three blocks four turnovers. We'll talk about that too. He was plus ten in a game his team lost by two. And that has never happened before as far as we know basketball. References data back to two thousand never before has a player been plus header more in forty five minutes or more and had his team lost the game. That we know of an MBA in regulation regular. Yeah. Yeah. In regulation, a forty eight minute game before tonight regular season or playoff. And that shows just how viable and beat was defensively when he didn't have it rolling off until he did some more things tonight. I did get up to twenty one points in a what was an offensive struggle of a game three blocked shots. And I think he was something just crazy like he's like well over plus fifty for the series, it might even been more than that. And consider how many minutes he played an heroic performance for him. Obviously not in the greatest of shape with all the knee issues coming off the illness to play forty five minutes, and he had to play that many. Because obviously, it was a complete disaster. The moment he went out of the game. Once again, just like it was a in game six. So that's that's really Bo. Bon Mike, Scott, Greg Monroe, certainly the other guys on the team deserve some blame for that. Also to not an 'cause there's really couldn't score in game. Six was the big problem. Here was more. The defy. But you still have all these great players that they shouldn't be just getting destroyed by over appoint a minute. Or in this case, four points per minute. I need to grow four points permanent. When Joel beat is is off the floor got beat in this game. But still to not have a better backup center option when you have one of the more fragile guys in the NBA at that position. And you need to preserve him as well to not have any kind of an option there number one going into the season. And number two at the trade deadline is really just not good enough from Phillies front office. And are that is maybe the biggest reason certainly from a statistical standpoint that they are going home. I think this stat might even be this. I haven't seen anybody posts this yet. And I can't it because of the timing of games. I can't get it all the way on the NBA's official site. I'll have to check it on by what I'm looking at. Joel Embiid had the best plus minus of the second round period plus ninety plus ninety oh I've plus fifty was way off he's plus ninety. And then the next two. Guys. It's eight listed games for the nuggets because that series ran longer the Eastern Conference second round started before. But I mean, absolutely incredible. And what thing you you'd have to look at too was drawl has to falls Brett Brown takes him out of the game for the last thirty seconds of the second quarter. I guess the thinking being well, we don't want him to pick up his third. So we'll take him out for this defensive possession. Well, guess what? His main value is on defense. And also, guess what? Getting his third foul with twenty four minutes and twelve seconds left in the game is in a different that him getting his third foul with twenty three minutes and forty eight seconds left in the game. It doesn't matter at all. There's nothing special about going into halftime with that third foul or getting it right away. So at and they went right at who's Kalari went right at Greg Monroe and got an one and that was three points that they lost by two. I mean, they're and they're not just that obviously. And I I'm not an agreement that broad should lose his job. Which is the rumor that's going to happen. And there are plenty of other mental mistakes that popped out. I think the next thing that we have to turn to here is that Philly wait before we can I go and I give the actual stat. I pulled it. Oh, okay. Here's the top five plus minus for the second round of the playoffs now than it is complete number five is a tie between Janas and Nicola Mirta plus forty number number four is Chris Middleton at plus forty six number three's joe-marie Maria. Plus fifty number two is Dakota Yokich A-plus sixty and number one is Joel Embiid a plus Ninety-one so all three of the top players in plus minus played today. All three of them are not moving onto the next round. Yeah. And now Mason probably is supposed to provide a little bit more behind Yokich then. Yeah. And plus it might not be all, but we saw how differently and how much worse. The Sixers played when Embiid was not in the forest specially on the defensive, and that's it fell apart there at Villa Park on offense. And you know, maybe it got to the point where it was psychological for this group. It were it was almost a self fulfilling prophecy when. He would go out of the game. But yes, the next place. I think we need to turn though is Toronto played a little harder than Philadelphia in this game. And the offense of glass was enormous. They're quiet lettered had four offense of rebounds in this game. And that's despite the fact that he had probably the biggest load of any player in this game. With those thirty nine field goal attempts. Sergio Baca also had four offense of rebounds as that big lineup continued to pay off pretty well for Toronto. They won three of four games in the series. After breaking out that console in Baca together the lineup and then they completely shut off the offense of glass refilling five offense rebound for Billy where they had at times dominated with that as well. And so a love and more offense of rebounds. Six more second chance points the fast break was used for the raptors ten of their first thirteen points were fast break points, and they only got sixteen fast-break points overall. But when they were really struggling at the beginning, they got some fast break points, but vanfleet got fouled in transition. A couple of times. And since apparently, he's never ever gonna make an actual shot from the field. Again. Those were not good falls and then Phillies turnovers as well. A lot of those were forced certainly as Toronto had ten steals and their defense was unbelievable in this game. And we'll talk about that down the end, but still to lose the turnover battle fifteen to ten and ten of those being live ball. It was really really difficult to win that way. And they almost it because they out shot the raptors fifty eight percent true shooting for Philly. Forty seven percent for Toronto. But that hustle in the possession game that Phillies shot at better from three Toronto. We said, hey, if their role players don't hit shots, they're gonna be in big time. Trouble in this game. It's gonna be really close. And that's what would there seven hundred thirty from downtown Lowry was one seven gazelle was one out of four Isaka crazily hit three of their seven three pointers. And he was below thirty percent from the year though. Previously used to be a good three point shooter before this. But he was somehow found his confidence and he made three out of five including this routine. Louis one over Ben Simmons late in the clock where he looked like Klay Thompson like shooting with his legs spread out and like not even able to jump. But it was really the effort of the raptors in yet another game where they didn't have their shooting touch that ultimately allowed them to keep it close enough that I was able to win it for at the at perk leaning glass. Philadelphia was ten points per hundred possession more efficient in half court offense. But they were there a much higher proportion at the time and the offensive rebounds. That's another way of framing. What you just said. By thought I thought it was a good way of thinking about it that and it looked at what Phillies half court offense wasn't great. But it was a whole lot better than Toronto's a lot of Michelle from both of these teams that that is themed throughout Sunday's game sevens. And what was really kind of ridiculous when I was thinking about this game between between I started between when we record between when we finished. And when we recorded this was how few raptors I thought like really had a good game. You know, why played well, Serge Ibaka was huge. But I Kyle Lowry. Danny green had some good defensive plays. But. He wasn't great Siaka seemed a little bit tentative to me. Well, they all had a good game on defense though, especially I wanna talk. I want to talk about that funny. And but it happens sometimes it game seven Zeno teams teams are your they're working so hard defensively. It's a lot of contested shots. It can look ugly at times or a lot of the time in in both of these games. But yeah, the defense, and that's a good a good thing to talk about here. I mean, those what is why rewatch the fourth quarter? The last the last three minutes was almost defensive perfection. Yeah. They three possessions in a row for Toronto. Philly either barely got shot up or just turned it over that one with the shot clock violation one where Butler air balled in. It probably should have been a shot clock violation. But they just let draw Joe down the other way. And then they were down to two on the shot clock with absolutely nothing going on. At Lowry got a huge steel away from impede through a head of Siachen for a layup. But to put him forward seemed like that was the game with under two minutes left there. But those three possessions all of which I think came after stoppages so put a nail in the or another nail. In the coffin of offense is more efficient after you. Call time out and it was just amazing defense early in the period. They were getting hurt a little bit with the Butler pick and roll with Embiid going at Gasol. They started having him bead pop out, and I was upset with Gasol early for how many times he closed out way too hard on Embiid, and let him get a drive to the point where you wonder if he was actually instructed do that if it wasn't a mental error, and they just said, hey, we think we get Giralda put it on the floor will rotate to him. We'll force turnovers of because Kosovo's too smart to just do that over and over again anything. But anyway, eventually when they're playing that way Butler is able to get a couple of looks at against gazelle. And so they decided we're going to try and put two on the ball with Butler, and then we'll rotate over to impede Sergio Baca had a great play rotating out to impede force him to drive baseline. And then he threw a flaming bag to Butler in the corner is the shot clock ran down then Lowery, another great play going to get him beat as they were. Just so good getting for hand off. They just like Siaka. And this is a guy who's like six nine just would not allow themselves to be screened kept the nine to buy his Harris who couldn't get a touch Rettig every time. He did pop three just a little bit. They're able to have the big come out it and take that away. And then rotate behind the play, it was just absolutely awesome. Raptors defense with the athletes that they had on the floor and the size and the for was green out. They had Siaka at the three evocative four and allow who was really the only small guy, and he's a really tough and smart as well. So they were just absolutely flying around. It was incredible to see. And remember they were flying around on defense and doing all this without Danny green on the floor. One of their best defenders because they were able to play with so much length in and have the big men moved really really well, and some of the limitations affiliate did help that and also Jimmy Butler sprained ankle, I think helped that but huge huge defense from the from the raptors and that. Yeah. As you said that that steal from Kyle Lowry that gave them an. Nope. And layup makes that so with one minute and fourteen seconds left Toronto's afford. Remember the last three possessions had been Philly not really doing much, but then they got back into it. Yeah. Lowry had a bad file just putting hands on polar and kudos to money mccutchen and his referees. Mccutchen swore at the start of the season. The game would not be called differently at the end of games and in the playoffs and yet Lowery puts his hands on Butler. Maybe that gets let go it in past years. But that's about an and they had to call it Butler though, mystic key free throws. So it was only a three point game and the raptors had a very long possession. Co I missed and evocative was able to get the rebound. They pass it out. Call time out eight seconds on the shot clock. They got a really tough Kawai fadeaway three and Philly used their last time out with twenty four seconds left and Toronto went into switching everything which worker at they even kept Kosolin the four, but he's switched everything. Billy ran a plate for three. You know, how much we loathe the quick to in that situation down. Three but just Toronto. Switching was perfect Siaka was all over the place. They took away everything. So finally, it was embodied in the post Lowry and lower actually tipped it away from him and be got it back, and then he Baca it looked like a questionable call. But then when you see the replay from behind the pass kit. He clearly like slammed his chest into his growing up. So Embiid hits a couple of free throws. And then it just a complete failure to deny the ball imbalance to Kawai by Philly. Right and Toronto does exactly what team should in the circumstance, which is right after those free throws have your best shooters get to places where ideally where they can catch the ball and not get trapped if you can pull both those off more power to you and Phillies just didn't have a plan Rettig scrambles over there after quite caught the ball in his started turning up court. Yeah. But you you knew you weren't gonna get very far. But he did that. And then what will hear this is the key point here too by not having to use the time out there and not preemptively using it by actually just taking it chance to inbound the ball when you couldn't number one. They got it to the rest free throw shooter. Yeah, you missed it. But it was good. Execution Tobias Harris just was like standing in guarding knowing they just nobody ran a quad to try to deny. But by not having to use the time out there. Remember, they had already used one where I just sprinted out on the floor. They had one lot. And that's what enabled Kuwata hit that shot at the end. So quiet Leonard goes to the line and paralleling game six in twenty thirteen in the NBA finals sorry to bring up more pain for Spurs fans who are listening to this podcast. But you're going to have plenty to. That's just the way it is why splits the free throws. And so then Philly they get this opportunity to really to get back in the game and goose soul. He went for the offense reward actually got a pretty good pussy and got a hand on it. But inadvertently his tip out number one meant that. He wasn't back on defense and number two. It goes right to think Harris everyone else on trial was getting back, David. So there's no one to get that tip. And it inadvertently just ended up being an outlet Harris. Got it to Butler who just pushed it up and went right in on a bucket Butler had previously sprained his ankle in the fourth quarter trying. To play defense on Kauai. But didn't look worse for wear. Just got it over the shop. Locker is a really nice finish for him to tie the game. And with four seconds off Toronto head to beat feeling shellshocked. That felt like such a disaster. Where you've got you could put you up three to miss that free throw. And then immediately give up the fast break bucket the other way, but to just been so deflating, but fortunately, they head coach buy at the ready, and yeah, they double teamed and be couldn't quite keep them contained. I mean again, it's about as good a defensive you can play. It was interesting because it was a double team. But and I'm not criticizing him for this in the slightest, but Embiid functionally screened away Simmons because he's just sticking with them and beat is a large human being it's very difficult to get through him. It's impossible to get through them. It's very difficult to get around. So he tracked and I don't think it'd be did anything particularly wrong there. But it is what got Simmons way. I thought Simmons had done a really nice job on July further major that possession. Simmons had had to switch off after getting a fifth. Follow on. A coli floater sue quick break. Here. We could talk a few more points about this game before we get into Denver Portland. 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I have not bought a single suit that is not Indochino in a long time. And again, don't forget that cap space code to tell him where you came from. I think Philly will be kicking themselves over just a few mental mistakes here and there like one was gazelle got a wide open three during that time when I was on. The bench because they just didn't know who they had the match up was supposed to be Embiid unseen Akot. But then when you also had Genucel and Yuba out there dinners like are we gonna put to Smalls on each of these big eyes and Tobias Harris get didn't know who he was supposed to have a end is give up a wide open three to gasoline and Harrison in guarding sold the whole gay on a why it would have been switched up at that point in time. I think Toronto's just mental toughness in this game. And in the series down to one and ill a lot of that has guys who have been here before like Kawai, Leonard, you know, it's not like calorie had some awesome game tonight offensively evocative did through the Houston who'd had some playoff failures with this group. But just every time Philly one run they went up seven than they took the they dared to take him beat out of the game for two minutes and immediately gave up that lead in the third. Philly came back and took a lead in the second Lowery, hit a huge three fading into the corner. And obviously that very last time when Billy tied the game. Koi had the ultimate answer. I had a few other place that struck out as well one. I thought that at various moments in the game, especially in that late going Toronto got a few kind of like found money and it happens in every game. I'm not saying it would they were particularly lucky. But that there was one where Kyle Lowry. It looks like he just chucked up like a deep too late in the clock. And because you have to put the shot up, and it went in and those the play work Kawai got trapped and couldn't get the ball to anyone in Lowery, just never stopped moving. And finally got it made it impossible shot and then another huge play in the late going shortly before that back to back to back effective shot clock violations from the Sixers day tied the game on jayjay Riddick. Three point play correctly called surge. Baca went right into him. And that was a really big one to take kind of looked like Toronto was building momentum. And then Philly got that back. And then eventually eventually they they tied it again. But I thought that shot by Rettig was the other rentals like a Golden State Warriors look getting Simmons into the post and then bringing Rettig all the way for the record. Recorded the words, don't really Rolette anymore. They used to in like twenty fifteen like for Klay Thompson to have him run. All the way to the opposite side of the court around a post op it and shoot it was the late getting out there. The unready another interesting cat and mouse game Philly got three for Rettig with a nice set that they ran with Harris posting Lowery office. Switch Gusau would try to go and help on that is the closest defender. And then as soon as he went to help they had Embiid go screen away for Rennick. And so then they ran it again to start the fourth quarter. Toronto was all over it. They knew exactly it was coming. They guarded Radic perfectly and forced them into a bad shot on that play. The Sixers scored thirteen points on the first twenty seven possessions, John shoe had this that and then their next thirteen possessions. They scored twenty six points. It really wasn't actually that bad of an offensive game after that eighteen to thirteen a first quarter in which both teams were absolutely miserable. The Sixers had like below fifty offense of reading in that first quarter. And at one point they were one out of ten from three and then they closed the game. A quite strong. So anything else we can say just on like what the problems were for a little bit of a post mortem for them here before we move on to Denver, Portland, lack of capable depth. Think was a huge part of this this this just in this just in. But Toronto is a really good team. Even know vanfleet overall didn't have a great series. They had surge Baca who they could trust. And they got I think Philly got more out of NS than I expected. Mike Scott wasn't great in this game. But he had some nice performances in this series and Phillies digits didn't have enough. You know, they they tried a bunch of different options. They tried Monroe in this game. They've tried Bolden in previous games went to Bogue on a couple of different times. And we knew that their starting five was really talented. We expected that they would play ball together. I believe that was largely the case and to move themselves into this rarefied air of these top teams. I mean, the bucks and raptors are both unbelievable squads is really impressive and Toronto got all they could handle in Philadelphia and with a little bit better depth. And all the all the kind of mistakes. I mean, remember they hadn't ammonia deletes a and then that deal fell through. We thought they could do more with minimum contracts, and he's getting jobs NS was was big help. And getting in getting Mike Scott was a help in in the blonde by his hair straight. But I mean, just you could go all over the rust. They're not getting any shooting losing sham it in that trade. You know, imagine what he could have done. Somebody asked us that in the NBA cast like yeah sham. It would have been huge for them in this series could have been reliable irrelevant viable place for shooting and they treated four first round picks century if you want to count Chevy to me is probably better than your average for Trump because he actually proven that he can't play and definitely better than your average Philly for shrimp because their picture probably going to be late. They're still really good. So that obviously, it's disappointing. Of course, the fit issues will come up. I mean Simmons to me they did about as much as they could with him. And he showed me a lot defensively as a perimeter defender in these places work on Dangelo. Russell was awesome. I thought he did about as well as could be hoped on Kawai. I would have liked to seen them over. For all as a strategy. Try and force him left a little bit more than they did because going to his right? He is really damaging. And that's where he hit all of his shots in the fourth quarter. But know, he's he's pretty capable of going to his left to. So that's not like an obvious one Jimmy Butler struggled tonight. And part of the reason which we didn't talk about at all here is that they decided to put Hawaii on Jimmy Butler for most of the game and aim for collided guard do Butler antique three nine shots was just incredible. And Butler d get going just a little bit in the fourth quarter with some of that pick and roll action. He got that break, obviously. But overall Kawai really did have been tastic Java on him, and we had showed that. Yeah. Sorry. I was gonna mention of Jimmy Butler is five buckets. At least two of them were with Markelle soul guarding him after screen now. I mean, go is in theory supposed to get through that screen, but I guess. Yeah. And so that those a pretty good adjustment. Because Butler, really hurt them and engaged. Seven Dewar died Kawai had a chance to kind of chill out on Ben Simmons before this. But and then the other thing that they did which was really interesting the first half was they decided just double Embiid on the catch. And we question that on the NBA cast initially of just eight consoles done a pretty good job. And and why are you going to do that? I think there are a couple of reasons for it. You know, I'm not sure whether it was good or pets ready one was if you've got quiet Butler, he's not your main help guy under the rim now with Simmons just in the dunker spot. And so if that's Dany green or or Siaka me guys just not quite as good help instincts. Maybe you're worried that Embiid yet going a little bit more. Another reason would be while. We don't want to soul to get an early foul trouble. And then also maybe just prevent Embiid from developing the confidence, but I don't think immed- even had a single straight post up in the second half. It was all picking pop try to attack off the dribble face up. He faced up one time. He he. It a step back on undersold at all of it was pretty much out on the floor facing up attack. The basket rather than the posts up game two souls who can completely out of that. And they're right to go away from it, frankly. But I did think you might have tried it when it was one on one. But I think if they're doubling they got pretty good looks off of that in the second quarter. Maybe that's something they could have gone to a little bit more was just throw thrown into Joel if they're going to straight double let's just get him into rotation as long as you can do it early. Yeah. And I am absolutely fascinated in intrigued by how depending free agents on both of these teams. But most notably on the Sixers because they're the team that we're not that that isn't gonna keep playing how they interpret this result because Tobias Harris I thought he played a good game. He didn't touch the ball that you know, he was he was more of an ancillary player. And there is an argument that there could be a conception of the Sixers next year where he touches the ball more that might be Jim butlers playing elsewhere. And then for Jimmy Butler. I think odds are depending on where he goes that. I I don't think he's going to be on a team as good as this. So is he satisfied with this result? Maybe this. Is the with the shaking out differently? This day could make the conference finals they could win the NBA title with more depth all those sorts of things. And so what those players prioritize is is altogether a separate and important question. But do they feel like this is unfinished business are? They like this is close as you can get. I mean last second shot defended. Well by one of the best players in the league. And so and not player might not be on that team anymore either. Yeah. Is tough. But they made this bed with Tobias Harris when they traded four first round picks essentially form and Jimmy Butler. They didn't give up as much, but he was certainly a needed player in these playoffs. He provides an element that they desperately need a pick and roll play making. And then if you're going to have those guys how to Simmons fit in any definitely was under utilized to some degree would be a much better fit. If he could use the ball in his hands where I do think that more of him back to goal trying to post up a would be helpful was spacing around but Butler is not most comfortable as as a three point shooter. It's these guys have a lot. A talent. And with maybe a better backup center they win this series. Who knows? But also, I actually think they were a little bit above their head in this series of you look at and I'm guessing those was probably the case again tonight Toronto had the better shot quality in all seven games of the engine shot at abnormally badly from three point range. And maybe this isn't a as close of a series otherwise particularly in that game two loss. So they do have a lot of guys who can make shots. Maybe you just try to get those guys as assets under contract if you need to move one of them. But still to me Ben Simmons remains the most logical guy to move. It's just a question of what that packages, and then how much that player would cost as well. With Simmons gonna need a max contract soon. It's going to be very interesting off season. I hope for Phillies safe that they don't fire Brett Brown. I don't know who the better coaches who's available right now to him. And I think there are a few little oils. You know, we talked about again beat out there's some things, but I think overall his appre progressive stance. Gigi does a pretty good job of getting along with his players. In getting them to share the ball. There's not a ton that I look at right now as their scheme, and that that's what killed them. I think it was the lack of a pension. Joel Embiid having one good offensive game in the series. And I think Braun got as much out of this group as he could they were substantial underdogs in the series to be into. They should be really proud of the effort that they've had and they were up against an absolute juggernaut of a team in in a I thought they exceeded expectations. But ownership reportedly does not see it that way. And I think it's also interesting going forward here for you know, to have this iconic moment interrupters uniform and experience that Atalay Shen perhaps that makes it a little harder for him to leave. Even if they do end up flaming out at some point in the next couple of rounds. Let's turn now to Denver Portland another fantastic game and the place to start here. With a big game seven road win is with the classic performance. One of the great game. Sevens by CJ, McCall CJ was absolutely fans. Tastic? Let's do the full line. I thirty seven points seventeen of twenty nine from the field. All but three of those twenty nine shots were to pointers got to the line for two free throws. So that was thirty seven points on thirty shooting possessions, despite basically just taking twos and hit a ton of massive shots. Also had a definitive chase down block which will break down in more detail later and Lillard had enough night a series of other blazers offensively tons of Michelle for both of these teams. I mean that we'll we'll talk about that. But CJ kept them afloat. And he he was awesome. It was a their players in this league. It's one of the separators of their that can take and make tough shots. And a lot of CJ shots were well-contested and not every mid range shot is a bad shot. But but the special players are the ones that you want taking those CJ McCollum unquestionably one of those players CJ and Dame Lillard deserve a ton of credit for the improvement that they have made against trapping. Defenses. We saw them struggle with that against New Orleans a year ago as their Unser ammonia asleep swept out of the first round. They just came up with a ton of counters to that setting screen siren, the not granted they weren't going up against Anthony Davis this row or in that running until KC for that matter. But one of the ones was the ability to snake through and split that trap. Just went poll around your own screener and CJ had one of those late in the game to get an open. Look, you'll Lillard to the same thing. He's still was able to get penetration on most of those plays yet, eight assists in the shot was not going down a low. He hit two huge ones in the fourth quarter is only three out of seventeen in his forty five minutes. Both see Jan Dame played the entire second half, by the way in. So it really was a team wide thing to beat that strategy. And for the nuggets what they're trying to do is protect their big in pick and roll defence and get the ball out of those guys hands Lillard head by far his lowest usage in the regular season against any team against. The nuggets and those guys were able to get up forty six shots forty six of the blazers ninety three shots between those guys. And that was just enough it and also credit today more for recognizing. He's in the middle of a rough game and just letting CJ be- the engine down the end. There's not a lot of guys who do it. There's a possession late where Dame is about to go get a DA Joe. And he says, no and goes and gets CJ in the corner and screens for him. So he can go get the Joe, I think McCollum scored it on that possession. And that's when people talk about the type of leadership Lillard ship. I was about to say in Portland. That's an Dame is really happy move be moving on. He had his Mona glory in the first series. And it was CJ's turn it in this one that to be the main offense of engine, and that thirty seven points was fantastic something that I think is notable and amazing about this game Lillard McCullum and NS Kanner all played forty plus minutes. No other blazer played more than half of this game. Two of their. Starters were basic were barely a part of the one didn't play in the second half. One didn't play that much in the second half. And then a lot of the backups filled in those gaps. So it really was three solid pieces who basically played the entire second half. And then through trying different things around it to see what we're another big part of the story. This game was Portland's fifteen percent shooting from three was actually only second worst in this game because Denver shot eleven percent. From three Denver did not make a three pointer in the second half. There were two out of nineteen Portland was four hundred twenty six and Lillard. We said already didn't have a good game between for three to four nine. Well, actually, the twenty two percent was much better than just about anyone else. Half of their makes a third of their attempts. Am you need to turn a little bit to Denver here? Yeah. I actually alpha place. I want to start with that. Yeah. This was a long exhausting and thrilling day, it would be justified for people to forget this happen with seven minutes and twenty six seconds left in the second quarter of this game. Denver was up thirty nine to twenty two. It looks like they had control Yokich the vaunted yoke Yokich break had already happened. They had survived it. I think they had actually increased the lead by a few points. And Kanter had come back in it looks like it was it was going to be the main guys. And then that's really one Portland when CJ in Portland just started kicking it into gear. And then they cut it to nine at the end of the for the first half, and you, and I've talked about it before, you know, like when the team is playing really well, and they just can't close it all the way they they didn't shut the door. They got pretty dang close. But beyond the terrible shooting everything else. Like that. Like I hadn't even for. I knew they were head by. I didn't realize when I went back and start watching it. Seventeen. It was reprinted thirty nine twenty two. And then it really to me was an offense of failure for the Doug. It's am Nicole Yokich played forty two minutes in this one got three minutes of Russ perhaps was eleven out of twenty six. But he said it, you know, he doesn't expect to make every shot. But there were shots that were missed that. He usually makes it in this game. He had their only to makes from three point range, by the way. That's that's not his fault as he puts only get up nineteen three point attempts is not good. But I think they kinda stopped shooting those very core. Only took five combined. Yeah. And they played a combined seventy seven minutes. That's unbelievable now when you're playing Mason Plumlee together with yoga a bunch of time Millsap is not a great three point shooter. Tori, Craig was unable to duplicate his three point success from the San Antonio series in this one. So they don't have great three point marksman on this team. I did think that they still could have done a little more Yokich post ups a little bit less of the pig. Enroll especially once Murray after that get into the line some in the first quarter really clearly did not have it in this game. But another thing that really stands out here is only two assists for Yokich and part of that was a Portland did a pretty good job staying home on shooters. But a lot of that too was guys just missing the looks that he was sitting in. That's just an incredibly low number of assists for Nicole Yokich. And while they did yoga actually was negative. I think for just the second time in the series in that was each of the last two games as well. He was actually negative to they did outscore him or a score Denver when he was on the floor Millsap who was so awesome. Through the first five games, really struggled the last two games three of thirteen. Evan Turner who which applied taught to in a moment. Here was pretty darn good on Millsap, but Millsap couldn't get a lot of those mid Rangers that he had before even south ago, even so I thought one of the tactical mistakes in this game was Mike Malone being too cautious. When paul. Got him found trouble because Denver just didn't have that many other options and mills up it's possible that he could've picked up his fellow. But I thought I thought that being cautious. They're pulling him and being without one of your best players. One of your core defenders for such a long stretch of the of the fourth quarter was a real problem. You know, he picked up his fourth with nine fifty seven to go picked up his fifth with seven twenty four to go. And at that point Portland was ahead. So it wasn't like you're going into that. But then Millsap didn't come in again for three whole minutes. And I thought I thought they could've used it did eventually fall out. But but super win was pretty much. Yes. Yeah. He he fell down committing intentional foul in the game. Was basically, right. Let's talk about Twitter. Now, we were concerned foolishly. It turned out that Terry Stotts would see. Oh, Evan Turner was in the game when we made our run in the fourth quarter, and then overplay him, and he did that he played a lot of the end of the second. But they made a run at the end of the second to get back into it. And then ten. Fourth quarter points. I think he had like four points in the series coming in to tonight and he finished with fourteen points through seven eight of nine from the foul on got on the defensive glass as well heads offense of rebounds. And it was Neil. Oh, Shays vision town, the end a lot it didn't work that. Well, but of Turner, handling the ball and Lillard and McCollum trying to come off as screens, but Turner did just enough attacking off the dribble and hit a bid ranger or two just scrappy energetic play which in a game. Like, this would neither team can hit a three pointer takes on an added important. Yeah. He had a few big place. Not only you right. Evan turner. Only had four points in this series before game seven he had four in their win in Denver in game two he had three total points in the series. It wasn't like, oh, he's just having a cold stretch or something like that including game seven he shot thirteen percent from the field in this series. There are a lot of story lines that occurred early. In this game. They start for Portland they start hark, listen to me new both of them. Go out of the game after seven minutes and never come back in during the first half immuno himself got the ultra bogans. He played the first seven minute that never came back in the game. They went with hood and Collins, but that group continued to struggle for a while there played Collins and cancer together. A lot of the time Collins I thought was huge in their run in the third quarter in which they outscored the nuggets thirty to twenty four to get back into contact where he was on four fouls for probably like, maybe five minutes and every single possession. He was like contesting a pass going for rebound something that made him 'cause contact and could potentially have been a foul, but many of them actually were fouls, but he had four blocks. Again, he was just absolutely critical because Denver had been getting inside quite a bit early on in this game. So he was key there. And then we thought oh, many just got his fifth after he got his. North going after some no hope play in the back court. They leave him in which was good Stotts. They leave him in. And then he ends up getting his fifth about halfway through the third. He comes back into start the fourth quarter with five files. And I said at the time on the cast I'm gonna eat my slipper if he doesn't follow this game. But they actually just took him out of the game. After like three or four beds went back to turn turnaround cancer who closed it a I wanna talk about what Collins was doing because the most important part was that Nicole Yokich often drags his man away from the rim. Yes is be as you know, as operating from the elbow three point shooter high screener, although sorts of first of all that Collins is a better rim-protector than Ennis Kanter anyway. But having another player not only four rim protection by everything that was happening by non Yokich player. But also having a second big body when Yokich tried to get into lane. There was one big play where Yokich ruled past Kanner was trying to shoot this righty kind of kind of hook shot. I guess I guess we'll probably the best best or for it. And he. He ran into that Collins to and that bump made it a lot harder. He missed that shot. I think Kanter ended up getting the rebound and it got Denver off of their rhythm. And that wasn't the reason they missed a bunch of threes or anything like that. But I thought it made life harder on the nuggets on the interior. And when you combine those harder shots in a couple of turnovers and defensive rebounds, you combine those with the three point shooting and that helped flat-line Denver's offense in give Portland the window to get back in this game. The did play Rodney hood twenty minutes, but about midway through the third. He got hit a on which should have been a foul. Call because what Tori Craig did was he stuck his NIA as he was setting the screen on hood, and that caused hood to hyper-extended his knee and some question about whether he'll be available for the west finals now, but that did not look good. But hopefully, nothing severe we've seen hood go down with some injuries that we thought were really bad at turned out at us. Okay afterwards. So a hopefully, that's the case. But losing him seemed like a huge blow their play. Him at the three quite a bit. Now also made it difficult because then you they kinda choose between Collins and Turner down the end, and they are looking for a mohawk who came back in and had a big end with three offensive rebounds to the game as well. He played ten minutes from that point forth. They never went back to him. Anybody was heartless and Turner together down the end to give them just enough defense athleticism it and rebounding that CJ was able to take them home. Well before we get to that. I want to mention the other part of Harkness's ended the game and he committed to bad unnecessary fouls in the fourth quarter. When Denver was already in the bonus. And Denver was not scoring. They were there half court offense. They had this really long stretch where Denver didn't score. They didn't score a shot from the field from Nicoli. Oh catch making. He made. I think he made a lamp with seven forty five left, and they made some free throws during this, including the ones that are just talked about. And I think the next made. Shot that they had was Gary Harris with two eleven remaining they got free throws as I said. But I think those were the that stretch was where they didn't have single made field goal and Harkness gave them a couple. I think he had one on Millsap, and then you had one on under Murray that gave gave Denver a little bit more life. When there was there was a point in the talked about how the roof seven Denver was up seventeen Portland was a ninety two to eighty five seven points with 'bout three minutes to go. And I thought it looked like, you know, they're about to seal it away. And then it got close again couple of the notes on the media game here before we get to the end through a few plays in the second half early in the second half where it looked like Portland's comeback would be thwarted one. Was that hood play where he goes down. They play on and Denver ends up. Getting an end one end collinses fifth foul. It was a three point game right before that exchange Portland decided to start Collins an hood in the second half. You wonder why they didn't just do that to begin with? If they. Those the the best lineup. There is another play where Portland had cut it to to Harris got an aunt one on Leonard. And then Plumlee just went right around cancer on the missed free throw Ed Murray got dunk with cantor, again, not helping at all on that play. So you thought that Denver heads of chances to stamps, the bleeding, but Portland just kept coming. You thought that maybe Denver could close it a little stronger than Portland because CJ McCollum played the whole second half. And so did Lillard while they're guys all got some rust in Millsap, thirty two minutes, Craig thirty three even Yokich was only forty two Harris and Murray were both under forty but that didn't turn out to be the case. And that was just basically CJ making shots on the end. And he is just have so much respect for how well conditioned. He is. I mean, he looked like he never had a single issue in that four overtime game. Never had a single issue tonight despite playing the whole second half and he played just a ton of minutes in this series. At an always seemed to have the ability to make shots. And even though he was so exhausted. You could tell it wasn't even getting off the ground on these jumpers. And yet he still just draining them. It was a van tessick anything else. You want to say on the meat of the game before we talk about some of the key possessions at the end. No, I think we can go to the key possession. So probably the absolute biggest play the game to me Portland had maintained about a four point lead throughout most of the fourth quarter three twenty laugh Turner misses an awful shot at the free throw line over Millsap, really well-contested Yokich gets the rebound outlet endangered sneaks in and steals. The outlet goes right at Yokich with the euro step and realizes he doesn't have the shot. So he does a Steph curry throws it out to Turner. And then just dead sprints to the corner. Yokich just not having just turned it over just not they're mentally very few senators are gonna make that play of argument a stick with Daimler all the way out to the corner now on this play. But Lillard just knew he was going to be able to get a wide open three there. It was a mental error from Yokich, despite the fact that you know, it's not a play that centers are commonly gonna make. So that Portland up seven. It looked like it was. Much over at that point up seven with three minutes left. You know, you've got about six or seven possessions left and then Denver precedes the score eight points on the next four possessions. Three of them were off Portland mistakes. They had a McCollum mists where three blazers go for the offensive rebound. And they get a fast break layup for Gary Harris that play was like right out of the nineteen eighty s they had to really bad fouls. One. After like five seconds of the shot clock by heart goes on the floor. The that you mentioned on Murray, and then Lillard reached in on a loose ball and Bob Murray. So and they're in the boats. They got two free throws out of that Yoka cheetah a floater in pick and roll and got it to one with a minute thirty left. So another thing that stuck out to me. And I would you're not going for the three necessarily this early on. But three times in the last two minutes of the game. Denver had the ball down three. And they never once attempted to shot that could have tied the game. You're definitely taken a risk there. Especially in the end, especially when you go for the quick to which will get to. But yeah, they're shooting to a nine. Eighteen from three you gotta assume though that these guys who are good shooters are are not any less likely to make those shots because you've had a bad shooting game going into tonight, if you're open, and you know, they didn't really run anything to get three point looks. And that is a weakness of this Denver Austria, they don't really have anyone who's able to just rise up for a three off the dribble or even coming off a screen like jail green style. Either. You know Murray has a pretty low release point. He doesn't get a ton of separation for three pointers. Am Harris can come off screens every now and again or or shoot them in the DA Joe game, but Portland did a really good job on him. And you know, those are really the only two guys Yokich is too slow release on his pick and pop to be a huge threat there. So, you know, the the nineteen three point at times that's a little bit of a symptom of what this roster is a end. Also, having a four like Millsaps out really looking to take three pointer a lot Craig is out there. He's not a great shooter. So yes, it's tough for this team to come back at the end with when three pointers are pretty tough to be found here. One. Of the stranger decisions towards the end of this game gets into those possessions were Denver didn't get a three CJ makes a free throw line jumper. I believe was over Tory Craig to make it a three point game ninety eight ninety five with eleven point four seconds left. And and quickly. I mean, the two shots that he on the last two minutes. We're both absolutely ridiculous. What was when he split the pick and roll the other one they just went with a straight one four flat 'em Denver on that possession after they had gotten another two with Murray to get within one. And there was a six second differential at that point. They go just a one four flat. So basically you've got two guys in the corner in two guys standing on either side of the lane. So it's a little tough to bring a double there. But you also don't have a ton of spacing like it could be possible. And they did not do that. Maybe they could if they had a lineup in there with Yokich out of the game that maybe could've switch everything they had Millsap at center for one of the first times in the series. But they did not run a double at McCollum. He went pretty early too. By the way, he could have run the time down another. Five seconds, or so, and that could have ended up hurting them if in fact, he had missed, but you know, he made it is absolutely fantastic. But then yeah, the everything that happened was very odd there after that Denver taking their last time out to advance the ball with eleven point four seconds remaining. Denver on three Denver is the ball down three. And it would've made sense for Portland to there are a couple of different defensive schemes that you can go into could try switch everything try no threes. Both of those things that's a good way to prevent him from getting a potential game-tying three. And if in basically any of the defensive theories Seth curry would not be on the floor curry as I thought he had a rough game defensively overall yet. It has a mistake ended up you know, puzzle plus minus, but I don't think that that is indicative of his play in this game. And he ends up on nickel Yokich around the free throw line. So Denver inbounds the ball. Yokich curry fouls him in the air. And so you have all these different things. So one is Curry's on the floor shouldn't be on the floor. Inbounding the ball well inside the two point line. And then so so then it not a chance to tie. And then I mean for the second time in this series and he had a spectacular series overall, Nicole Yokich, Mr. Vic free throw those killer. I mean, he had he played so well, and it can happen. I don't think he choked. I don't think anything like that. You just missed a free throw and Denver missile offered through the Jenin Jeter in the second half. But they missed the eleven free throws in this game. They shot a lot more free throws than Portland did an a bunch of more late. But through a lot of the game. They only shot. Seventy two percent Portland was eighty three percent that if the another thing you can look at as a your game right there. And yeah. Yoga just gonna look back on those. And he he put the laws on him. And obviously he was their best player and one of the few guys to shoot it even passably well in this game. So it's tough to put the blame on him. But that's certainly something that he's going to be thinking about both of those just incredibly close games. Now. He makes that first free throw. They still have no timeouts left. So that they would have been trying to play the foul game in Portland has really good free throw shooters. I'm thinking I thought that perhaps maybe that's why they put curry news because if they went for the quick to than they could get it in into curry, and he could be a free throw shooter. But then having to take him out. So they could try to rebound the free throw. I thought that actually with no timeouts left Yokich probably should have missed the second free throw intentionally and you know, a few say, hey, were if we're trying athlete as hard as we can he's going to miss it to a specific spot. May we've got twenty five thirty percent chance again, the offensive rebound. And you've probably got a worse chance than that of every been getting a chance to tyrod mean, you think about get that rebound. You've got a twenty five percent chance of getting that rebound. So you have a twenty five percent chance of getting shot to tie it. Whereas just hitting one of the free throws. And then you have to hope for a turnover or you have to hope to that. One of these great free throw shooters is gonna miss through deserves it really time to trap and try and get a turnover. Really? I think intentionally missing it would be a little bit better. Because at least then it's like at least it's in your hands at that. At least you could get a rebound. It's it's within your power, and they went for the quick to at and people always say, what coaches will tell you. If you say, well, why you wouldn't go for the three end with no time out have to go for the three two three. The three also to avoid confusion. Well coaches will say as well if you miss the three than the game is over and that's too big of arrests that just the game is over. Well, number one. You're trying to win the game. Not just stay in the game. And number two. Isn't it a much bigger risk that you have it within your hands right now to take three pointer, and it could be on your team? Whether the game gets tighter, not if you go for the quick to now, you're depending on the other team to screw up or miss them free throws. And isn't it a huge risk that you just never get a chance to tie the game like isn't data scarier proposition than quote unquote, the game being over it. So yet just inbounding it right to Yokich. I guess they're trying to get a very quick to. But especially like on a post up to Yokich. They're like that's not even against a smaller player. That's not like an automatic shot. You know what? I mean, really the math on it is like you have to have like a seventy or eighty percent chance of making that to pointer to have even begin to work out in your favor, and especially with no timeouts, and especially when you consider that. If you come back later, and you need a three you're doing no timeouts, and there they can foul now to prevent you again. From ever getting a chance to tie it. So to me that's just the biggest risk in that situation. Is you never actually get a shot in the air that can tied the game. And that's what ended up happening the nuggets in this one. And the way it happened was a little bit chaotic so the blazers had a timeout left. So they called a timeout. And then something that I don't particularly like on does like on those inbounds where you're inbounding with the intention of a good free Thursday. You're getting it. I like to have at least somebody on the four who's a capable screener. And so you can try to use that to create separation all the Portland guys scatter in different directions. None of them is particularly open. But the ball ends up getting to Evan Turner Turner, drives towards the basket. It looked like it was actually a shooting foul not that it made any difference because Portland was in the bonus. And so you're you're up to in that situation. Make to it's over Evan Turner ISIS the series yet too. Big free throws from Turner. And the jokes were the earned every dollar of that eighteen million in this game. Well, he earned ownership of our made ownership a bunch of extra playoff. Revenue. So yeah, that's a that's a great point there. Well, I've waited I've waited I don't know how long this'll be one at areas, but like an hour and ten minutes, I think it might be time for my victory lap. Picking a row picking overrode team to win a game seven was was pretty exciting. And there is there is the downside that I think this creates a less interesting Western Conference finals, but being rate is pretty nice all relish that enjoy it. And it does give me based on the weird scoring system that I'm testing out for these playoffs. I have I currently have a a small lead of four point lead because of that. But I mean that was one hell of a game. And I mean today well today was one of the more fun days of basketball, especially for only having two games that I can remember just because of the insanely high stakes both games being so closely and some really definitive plays. I mean, we didn't talk enough about CJ chase down block. He gets in its mammary driving down the court. And as is often the case on these plays. They're the highlight goes to one guy, but it never happens without a second defender in this case, it was Seth curry on the LeBron chase down block Bigwood all was JR Smith slowing the driver down because you generally, even even though. Guys are slower with the ball than they are just running the difference. In speeds, you could usually get that lay up of no one was in your way, and it slowed Murray down enough, and it was a beautiful clean blocked by CJ. And so you could argue that the two best plays of this crunch time by Portland, we're defensive because that was a few does like a minute before Lillard steel and three or talk a little bit more about Denver and what this says about their team going forward. But I wanna tell you about goat dot com. I quite Leonard only the second ever buzzer beater to win a deciding game playoff series. 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They're playing six guys and all of them played forty eight minutes, and yet somehow they come back on the king to only their stars in the first half and so- Portland foils their own attempt to tank against the nuggets tanking and ends up on this side of the bracket, which is where I would have wanted to be all on. But they apparently didn't want to be that puts Houston on the other side of the bracket. Portland winds Denver wins. They play each other for real and Portland. Now beats Denver Zach Lowe is saying the best guys we're finally gonna come for Denver at some point. Maybe that was the two for nine and three point two for nineteen three point shooting in this game, but Portland arguably deserved just as much for resting their guys on the last day of the season and Portland comes out with the wind, but this whole series. It's all happens because these teams both tried one failed in Benicia letting the sand on done a bunch of other crazy shit had to happen to with like, you know, Casey hitting that buzzer beater against Houston and Denver coming back against Minnesota where they're down by like eight points with three minutes left in that game. And I think this is a really disappointing performance from Denver. I thought that the nuggets were a little bit overrated all season. But once I saw the bracket I thought they're going gonna make it to the west violating. They have more talent than Portland they looked like the much better team. And they really frankly, I think I wouldn't say choked. But they performed well below the low they're capable of in game two and game seven they made more mistakes in that quadruple overtime game than Portland. Did Denver was capable of winning the series. I think they had more talent. And they should have won the series that they did not. And you know, there's a lot of noise out at Denver all we made. This a great team is just the start for us. We'll see, you know. I don't think it's I mean, they had a pretty easy match in the second round with no use of Norwich, and they should have won. And this Portland team. We'll see how they play the next on. Maybe I'll be wrong and they're going to be exhausted too. But this Portland team is a team that probably loses in the first rod half the time in a normal Western Conference and so- Yokich played really well the playoffs. Okay. They played against to below average defenses. They had some really ugly offensive performances with not enough three pointers. None of shooting in these playoffs 'em. They weren't really able to find an answer for Portland's guards defensively because they have some structural limitations. In terms of what Yokich could do I thought Yokich to me actually had a better defensive series than I was expecting. But when it came down to it, they still couldn't guard C J and pick and roll in this game. So while I think Denver over performed preseason expectations based on what they did during this season. I thought they underperformed a little bit in the playoffs and to say, all right. This is a team that's going to be in the second round automatically for years to go here. I'm not quite buying that they got more moves that they. I need to make these guys gotta get a lot better Murray. Yo and Yokich in particular. They gotta find a way to be a little bit less Yokich Centric on offense. I think so I'll be very curious to see what happens to them this off season. Whether Millsaps is going to be back, and whether they can get someone else on the wing, whether Michael porter can contribute, maybe someone like hurting Gomez can contribute more. But they do need a little bit more. I think to really get into being serious contender in the west. And I think while Denver deserves credit for getting to the second round the context of who they played in these playoffs and ended up losing to. I think it is important when you look at our your your real goal here is to actually get out of the Western Conference. And are you going to be able to beat those best teams? I don't know that this is display off despite the fact that they got to a game seven the second round is a positive data point in their favor necessarily. I wanna push I wanna play back on a couple of parts of that. And then agree with it. So the one thing I was really surprised you didn't emphasize, and I would I was more disappointed in their first round than their second round. That's in Tokyo team was was uninspiring to me. I thought that Denver should have dispatched them pretty cleanly. You know, like maybe it ends up going six just because San Antonio is hitting shots and Denver's Michigan for a game. But there were some warning signs that I had that were similar to when I saw Toronto struggle with Washington last year and just want. Oh crap. Like that that they didn't have all of it. And both of those teams I think we're better than their first round series. But you still have that. And for Denver my issue with with what you said is not necessarily that it is inaccurate. I think that it is taking a framing that is a little bit unfair to the nuggets. If the goal for them is to win the Western Conference finals or win a championship. I don't think they're constructed well enough to do that. And that isn't because Tim Connolly has done a bad job is just because the threshold for winning a championship for being at the level to win a conference to have a serious like, for example, like Portland made the Western Conference finals this year. They're not entitled content. They're not they're not going to win the championship. Even if they made it. They would get waxed. By both of the other teams that are there and great for them that they made it this far. And I agree with you that they would have lost in the first round and a lot of different permutations of this. I don't think that's too big a deal for Denver because winning fifty games, which is what they were. They outperform their point too fragile. That's a great accomplishment. That's a really good team. They're young. They'll get better. I do worry. I think like you do a little bit that how the aging curve affects them is more problematic than something. Because there are a lot of stats about other like the fourth youngest team in the league and all that, but one of their key players as Paul Millsap who is way older than that. And they don't have replied still like their most athletic player. Right. And they don't ever replacement for him. Sure. If Michael porter, jR, becomes becomes awesome. As an offense doubt, very different type of player and Denver doesn't have a they don't have three. They happen to face to teams in the playoffs were their lack of a two way small forward was not that big, Tori. Craig hit hit a series three's that five for seven against the Spurs, most notably. But they don't have. Have that guy will Barton is not that guy Torry Craig maybe if he improves there, but remember we're not in the rare. He wasn't in the rarefied air here. This was against two teams that do not really threaten in the way that Golden State would or Toronto Milwaukee. And they're always going to be teams like that. They might not always be run by forwards. But there will always be teams that have that level of overall town, and I see Denver just as a tier below that. And I don't think there's any shame any anything. And I try not to get worked up by those who over hype something because that's over hyped. And so for me if Denver wins forty eight to fifty three games and they're not a serious title contender. But they're in the mix, depending on seating. They make the second round first second or third round. There's that's a good team. That's a really really good team. And if Yokich and Murray take big steps forward, if Gary Harris can can do something maybe they can push beyond that. But it's so hard to get beyond that point without you know, like basically to you know, if you don't have to. Undoubtably all-stars or like to future hall of famers getting into the title conversation is functionally impossible will I guess what? I would say is this. I think there are some people who feel better about Denver's future after this playoffs, and I feel worse about because they didn't play anyone and they lost to Portland team. And they couldn't score in a bunch of games against this Portland team. That is not a good defense. And maybe that's playoff inexperience or maybe their players aren't that. Good. I mean, they had guys had bones. But again, you know, they're going against below average defenses. And they didn't prove anything to meet in these playoffs. They didn't play a real team where they could approved anything. And that's kinda makes us a little bit difficult in the they should be happy about their overall season. But I do think they should be disappointed in their playoffs. Let's talk now about the blazers in warriors series in which one team starts at his cancer at center and the other team has Steph curry and Klay Thompson coming off of screens set by golden. State center that is one problem among many for Portland one that I'm going to focus on a lot Portland. Just John generate turnovers now the warriors can generate turnovers themselves because the throat off they can do that. But I think Portland's lack of forcing turnovers is going to be a big problem for them in this series. And a lot of the limitations that okay, see and Denver were not able to exploited or going to be on full display against the warriors. And they're not going to be able to pull off. I mean, hopefully, Rodney hood is healthy enough to play. But they're not going to be able to pull off. You know, these extended minutes for Evan Turner. Or, you know, spot minutes for Meyers Leonard all those type of things because the warriors even with their depth shoes. They just play so many different players that punish inferior talent. And they're coming off of a Houston series where not only did iron sharpens iron, but they had to deal with such complicated defensive they dealt with defense that is well suited to attack with the warriors. Do. Well, with personnel that can execute that system about as well as could be reasonably expect N Houston Durham worries talked about how he's obsessed with the words, they play the warriors incredibly well, incredibly hard and Portland is not that type of team and we've seen the warriors beat the blazers in a playoff series undermanned. And I think we're about sit again now, I could see the warriors having a mental letdown. And if they got against Denver, I think Denver especially with the unique threat that Yokich prevents that they've had some trouble stopping him at times with no cousins. And no Katie at the start of the series and the warriors very pleased with themselves rightfully so for being used in the manner that they did you could see there being let done I think the fact that they really respect Damon C J that they've played these guys in the playoffs before and he had they've beaten them. But they also know that it's hard to dream on one point said. Yeah, this didn't feel like a five game series to me when when they beat them back. I think at twenty sixteen but they Bech up really really well against the. Blazers defense the blazers defense is built on a conservative drop pick and roll coverage that you just cannot play that against the Golden State Warriors. And they don't do a lot of switching either. So now Klay Thompson he can get open whenever he wants to coming off a screen CJ McCollum is going to be the one probably who guards him. I guess they would go with heartless on curry, you know, they need to hide Dame Willard in this situation. And they'll be able to do that theoretically will see if Andre Goodall continues to start. He probably will. But he could Lillard can hide on him. But he has a great screener as well, Portland. Just simply has not been able to shrink the floor force the warriors intimate Rangers. Takeaway the basket the way they like do. They've never had great defensive personnel. They do the best they can with this group. But now, especially with your they've had Plumlee they've had Nurkic in past years even know von lay all those guys are much better defensively than a one arm and his canter. And while Kanter has done played the best defense of his career by far we've seen what? Happens when he gets out in space against a warriors team. We've seen the warriors do well against Portland when they didn't have Steph curry in two thousand sixteen we've also seen them take care of Portland in two gains without Kevin Durant in twenty seventeen the warriors. I think are not as good as they were at those times with their support guys. But Draymond green still is going to cause a lot of problems. If you try to put Evan Turner in the game, you try to put that Collins in the game now dream on green is just gonna guard those guys and he's gonna completely muck everything up with your help defense. One thing I'll be looking at very closely though, presumably curse gonna go to starting Andrew bogut to match up against cancer. And it'll be conventional pick and roll defence for the warriors. And it'll be a drop coverage and Dame Lillard and CJ. We'll have a chance to get going. I think early in game. Now when the warriors go with green at center or they go with looney and they switch then we'll see whether Dame and CJ will be able to do enough. But and. I think portly can score. Okay. At times. Like those guys we'll have a chance to get hot in this series. And that's how you could maybe Portland winning a game or two. But I just don't see how Portland slows down this warriors offense at all. We've seen them try at times to go with the amino at center and try and switch everything and they just that's just not something that they do regularly. The warriors of completely carved that up in the past doesn't have the personnel either. They they don't have enough wings Oce has filled gaps impressively at other spots, you know, getting Seth curry as gar in the guard rotation they replaced, Pat, Pat, Pat contin replaced him all all those other spots. But they haven't done that at forward and the warriors are loaded forward. They have a lot of intelligent players. And so two other things that I'm going to be watching injury returns. How long does Kevin Durant sit in this series? Is he, you know, do are the warriors more cautious because they're facing a team that that they can that they can handle I would recommend being as cautious as they can be, you know, in Gotcha. It's maybe Portland sneaks game at oracle. It's entirely possible. And then that pushes it a little bit Stein Steiner's reported there is also possibility DeMarcus cousins returns during the conference finals that'll be notable. And then the second one for years now there has been this idea, which I think is fair of the Draymond at center lineups the death line being the most prominent among those being kind of like a sign of respect. And that you how often how often they go to it is their Golden State had to work there guys incredibly hard in the rocket series. Hi, Mindy totals high leverage all that. I wonder how much Kerr wants to pull back on those rains, and that might create an avenue for Portland as well. Because while there guys are tired if they're playing their best players more frequently. It's an event that is. But they also those guys are gonna get run ragged on the defense of one of the things about the warriors that we've seen it's and some of the Houston is another one of these Cleveland when they are at their best with LeBron and all those shooters is you get to the point against these teams. The best ones we saw it too. In the Toronto Phillies. Series where you put certain guys out there, and they just can't compete. They can't be out there. You're gonna get killed if that guys out there. And now we get into the point where Portland has guys with significant limitations immu shot at so poorly that he was totally out of the rotation. They have to get more from him. He's going to they need him defensively in this series heartless another guy who's under thirty percent from three this year Turner doesn't even pretend to shoot three's anymore. The warriors have always just never respected him at all. And have always killed him at his plus. My skin's the words that has been really ruffled hood looks like he's probably not gonna play, and you know, his defense would be a big liability anyway cancer did not really get exposed to badly. Because these teams don't run a great spread pick and roll that they winning. It's now they're going to have to do at that. And so yeah, having Katie out that the issue especially of Kerr wants to pull back on the minutes with Igwe Dala in particular, and you could see him being back at like thirty minutes a game. Now, we see more McKinney. But those guys you can play those guys who aren't that great against Portland. They have. Cases that you can hide they're not moving the ball enough that you're involving all of the guys in the defensive action. You can get away with a guy like a McKinney or a Gerard co could get some minutes and just try to space the floor bogut can play some defensively though. I think he's actually the guy who's going to be most negatively affected of his aegis can't get out on the floor at all the way, we saw even Yokich too. So they may end up having to just go a starting looney, and maybe playing Jordan bell more and going to more of a speed system defensively to take the ball out of those guys hands. But I do think in the warriors can do is gonna make the other guys beat them in a way that Denver, and even okay see did not have the capability to do. They are too smart. And they've got too many guys who are too quick that they can force the ball into the hands of the guys that they want shooting jump shots. So I mean, even with Katie out. I think the talent gap has narrowed to be sure between these teams, but I think the matchup is so in favor of. Of Golden State, even with Katya out. I think ultimately going to go with if it helps I can I knew my pickle anything whose turn is it to go. I I have no idea. Now, I'll go first I'm gonna go warriors and five I have the same thing. Boy, I I at the lead. Of course, you're just gonna pick your duck would I do. Yeah. But I think what's does. That's actually what we should have to do the I could game at the other way of just see what you did. And we'll end if you remember the time to get something eat me in the 2017 playoffs. It was because of that you were behind and so you pick Cleveland to win in the finals because that was starting two thousand sixteen plants because that was the only way you could win. And so you did it, and then they will do anything. But I did not believe in the in my heart of hearts likley was going with riots butting up front about that. Yeah. I think this is just a brutal matchup for Portland and it. So here's the question. I wanna ask you, we do the sometimes when we have when we often only pay same thing if you had to guess more likely that this is a four-game series or six games. Here's sixty Syrian. I could see maybe just the fact that Katy is out in the lockup. Maybe in the warriors in ways that we don't anticipate by also think fatigue level for Portland is going to catch up to them after another marathon game. Game. The warriors have had a lot of time off to recover. So it's it's hard for me as the Portland getting them in game one. And you know, I mean, they have to win one of the first two otherwise I obviously the series is over. We'll see when Katie gets back. He's supposed to be reevaluated. What before game to date? They had said a week. I would say I would say between games went into would be my guess reservation with gay game two is on Thursday. Yeah. So and that's a week after so you'll be rebellious Thursday. You would imagine that he's not gonna play in game two if it's one one or two Portland somehow, you know, maybe he comes back. But Cavs are not the thing. You wanna rush back from? I could see maybe the warriors because we're every other day in this series the entire way through actually because this this previous series went so long. So you could see them just holding K D out until they really get processed in the series. No reason to bring him back until then. So maybe maybe it ends up being to to at some point than Katie comes back and the worst. Does it out from there? I mean, if if Katie were healthy, I would have picked a sweep in this probably let's talk a little Lakers. They've hired a coach Frank Vogel late of the Orlando Magic and Indiana Pacers new head coach of the Lakers. They able to impose their contract structure on him with a three year deal five million per year. That's pretty good. So that's not all day imposed on Frank Bronco. Jason Kidd will be the lead assistance as David regular called him kiddle finger, and I'm going to use that a lot. I mean, this is this is just treacherous. I mean, the water is just jumped up not only do you have a Windhorst in his piece made the made a really apt comparison between David Blatt who a coach that was well respected tactically around around the league, even though black head coach in the NBA the way the Frank Vogel has having a top assistant put on him who had a connection, you know, who connect with LeBron as a player, and so you you stat dynamic, but then you ramp it up with a player that we know LeBron has great affinity for a personal connection due to their team USA time and great respect for kids game that is ominous. And it is not a circumstance where the coach in waiting is the psych underrated tactical genius or going to unlock all the stuff. The coach the. The assistant coach with the with the whispers was the person that we picked we were recording at the time. The coach ranked podcast. We went one to thirty. We were recording thirty as he got fired by the Milwaukee Bucks. And you know, it's not to say that he can't be a good assistant. Although it seems like shirt the the reports of him mentoring. Lonzo ball consisted of one phone call when it was dug into a little bit more. But certainly kid played somewhat similarly to Lonzo maybe he can help him, and obviously health is huge in who they get in free agency. I mean, I think Vogel is uninformed higher. But I don't think he's like a terrible coach me he did have some foibles in that series that they lost in twenty sixteen against Toronto. Where after which he ended up getting fired. But and we'll see what kind of a relationship. He and LeBron has been LeBron presumably has some respect for him with the playoff battles against the Pacers. But this is really about vol. Hey, you're gonna impose your lead assistant, and you're gonna. Pose a three year contract that expires when lebrons. Does this is about the best coaching Vogel eight he's not like his name was coming up for other openings? So he took it. Also interesting is Phil Jackson still apparently a confidante of genius gorse the Rambus czar as well. And that Vogel is very highly recommended by Phil Jackson Ramona reported that so Phil didn't have the greatest executive tenure in New York, but he is still influencing things from his executive grave apparently. And that's not to me, a great reason to hire coach, the one reason I can think of that I've heard all of this like why that could explain this. It's not just like a terrible indictment of the Lakers organization is that maybe kirie just didn't wanna play for Tyler again and made that clear, and if they hope to lure Kyrie back to play with LeBron that tiring Tyler wasn't the way to that. There certainly were reports that carries relationship with Lou was pretty rocky towards the end of that. Seventeen run. So. Oh, crazy will Boston go if Kyrie leaves and goes to the Lakers. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of people who kind of don't want kyri back apparently in Boston. But but. That would be just crushing. And so one thing that I found interesting because we're we're recording after there's been some talk of with everything Vogel because it happened. After the last time we recorded. I'm a little bit uncomfortable with how much the chatter has yada yada yada over his years in Orlando. And yes, it is true. That those were some misfit toys, and a you know, it was it would have been hard to get a lot out of that roster. I think that's all fair and the young guys weren't ready yet and the veterans weren't good. And I think they were significantly better coach this year under Steve Clifford than they were under Frank Vogel. And you know, some of you don't wanna give Clifford all the credit for having a career year Augustine having a big bounce back everything else, but John Isaac Isaac being healthy. But I mean when I watched the magic the last couple years offensively in particular. They were just uninspiring. And remember like we talked about pal and Isaac again, huge factor in this. How it seemed like they had more defensive talent. They were they were. The twenty second and twentieth in defense the two years. Frank Fogel was there and they had a fair youth movement this year as well. You know, they're trying to play Moba for a little bit that didn't work. He got hurt that probably helped their defensive rating. Incidentally. But that yes, I think Vogel I understand his reputation as an Xs and os coach. But that Orlando job was not inspired. No, it wasn't in KP wrote a nice piece about how Vogel's defensive succeeded. Funneling drivers into ROY Hibbert forcing a lot amid Rangers in Indiana and the Lakers as of now don't project to have that type of a rim protector on the roster. And I think really the reason in addition to just the fact that Phil Jackson and Kurt Rambis like the guy is just that. He can kinda be at adult in the room. He's been a coach before he's been to the conference finals. He at least is just, you know, he's not gonna be a total disaster. In theory. You know, the way someone who had never coached before might be in theory. He has enough gravitas that LeBron is gonna completely. Ignore him due to his record in Indiana. But yeah, I mean, not a lot going for them. And certainly I think that Vogel was someone who should have gotten a another head coaching job. One other piece of news, which is actually pretty exciting here. This is a quote from Adam silver in New York as some kind of get together where he's hobnobbing with a bunch of bigwigs and doing some sort of a Q and A and the guys like all these guys don't play games I worn out and his response was the his quotas. If legitimate resting players resulted in them being healthier in the playoffs healthier longer able to continue their career longer. I think we'd be in favor of the last issue, though, is that as the league we may need to revisit the number of games in the season. Because maybe in the modern MBA we've had eighty two game season for roughly fifty years, and maybe it's too many games on the players bodies. First time we've heard that from the Commissioner, so perhaps there is a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel on this and Kevin arnovitz that you can. Find it on YouTube did a really nice presentation at the Sloan conference discussing this issue. Obviously there's been a lot of work on it. And we have tried to add to that in saying that the season should be shortened. I wouldn't expect that it's going to be the type of thing where we get to the fifty eight games that I would like to see necessarily but even seven games off of the season. I think it could really help improve the quality of the regular season eighty. I'll talk about four go here. I do not know the order of their release. But three teams got eliminated over the last few days, and their off-season previews will be coming out at the students. That'd be the rockets the Sixers and the nuggets they're already so it's just about publication. Thanks again to the editors at the athletic for going through those. They're all they're all massive. There are like seventeen eighteen hundred words, and yeah, I'll have more I'm working on a piece about some about trading partial, guaranteed contracts because that's an interesting issue. That's come up a couple of times. And so you can look for that I'm guessing now come out on Wednesday. The right any you said this is. Always a sad day the NBC's on our last day with multiple games. But it sure was worth it. Thanks for joining us. And we'll be back. We're gonna take tomorrow off because there are no games. And we got a head start on this week's episode on Friday night. So we'll be back on Tuesday night getting some off-season previews undiscussed game. One of warriors boys in the lottery who the lottery, I did forget one piece of news bedrick Patterson as opted in to his player option for five hundred million dollars daily signed in the summer of two thousand seventeen and yeah, that's actually been kind of a disappointing contract. We actually thought that was a good one. I'm kind of said that I had to had to discuss it in when whenever a whenever a deal is signed. And it seems like it's way below value. Something we've learned with this is there's probably reasons sometimes it's off to court stuff that's ever blown. But sometimes it's an injury that that we didn't know the full severity because teams don't share that. It seems like that's what happened here. Yeah. You'll recall he had to have surgery before he ever played a game for the thunder. All right. We're done here. We will catch y'all. Tuesday night, though.