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Encore: The Space Race | Taking the Lead | 3

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Encore: The Space Race | Taking the Lead | 3

"Maginness April Twelfth Nineteen Sixty one. You were for NASA at the Langley Research Center in Hampton Virginia Your Press Officer. You're having a really bad week. For one thing. It's five thirty in the morning, and you're still at work still sitting at your desk, burning the midnight oil or the early morning oil. There's barely room in your cramped office for your desk, not to mention the cotton. You've jammed into the corner. You haven't slept in your own bed and days. There's just been too much going on lately. NASA has been a madhouse. In less than a month freedom, seven a mercury redstone rocket, the brainchild of the infamous verner. Von Braun is scheduled to launch the first human being into space, Alan Shepherd. Since the announcement media requests been pouring in and your phone literally hasn't stopped ringing until now took multiple days working around the clock to finally done all media requests have been handled. The schedule is set and everything right as rain, and finally to five thirty in the morning. Things at NASA had gone quiet. So you turn off the bright fluorescent overhead lights, you take off your time. You slip off your shoes. You lay down on the COT breathe a sigh of relief. In a matter of moments. You're heavy eyelids. Start to fall. You've gotta be kidding me. To Annoy to even get up, so he tried another tactic. That'll teach them. You start to lay back down, but before your head even hits the pillow. What is this Nassar's public relations? Office depends on WHO's asking Mr Powers. Do you know what time it is? Is this John Powers? Yes, this I was wondering if you'd like to comment on, you don't need to hear the end of that sentence. It's five thirty in the morning and you're not commenting on anything. If you want anything from us, you jerk, the answer is we're all asleep? You hang up the phone again, but this time you're not taking any chances, so you rip the phone cord right out of the wall. Clock Down Your, back close your eyes and drift off. Later that morning, you awake with start. Your supervisor is shaking. He doesn't say anything. He just tosses a newspaper on your chest. You Rub your bleary eyes. Grab the paper and squint at the front page. When you see the headline, your jaw nearly hits the floor. It reads Soviets put man space, spokesman, says US asleep. American history tellers is sponsored by capital one. You know how it feels to find extra cash in your pocket. Now imagine you found five times. That's surprise money. That's the feeling with capital one where a new savings account earns five times. The national average savings rate on any balance that means you earn more every day just for saving. This is hassle-free, hard working savings. This is banking reimagined. What's in your Wallet Capital One NA member FDIC? From wondering this is American history tellers our history your story. I'm Lindsey Graham. We're continuing our four episode series on the Space Race with a look at the moment. The US finally pulled ahead of the Soviet Union. This is episode three taking the lead. On April twelfth, Nineteen Sixty one an American victory looked a long way off on that day a Soviet cosmonaut became the first person in space and the first to orbit the earth as the Vostok, one rocket lifted off from Baikonour. Cosmodrome the Cosmonaut Eureka getting shout over the radio I actually. It was an informal off script that became a rallying cry translation. Let's go. No one saw the man Soviet launch coming, not NASA not the US government, and certainly not John Shorty powers the NASA press officer in the story. You just heard he was unprepared when a journalist called asking for comment back again, he had the unfortunate honour being quoted in papers all across the country. While America had showed her hand with project mercury, placing the significant seven astronauts front and center in the media. The Soviets played their cards close to the vest, and it was quite hand. They played now once again. The Soviets were out in front question was. How would America's new president respond? In spite of his rhetoric on the campaign trail, the fact was Kennedy was not all that interested in space Jerome Wiesner Kennedy. Science advisor said that when he came to space exploration, the president hadn't thought much about it, but after guarantee orbit around the earth, ignoring space was no longer an option. Kennedy's initial response was less than reassuring. When asset a press conference, if America could ever surpass the Soviets, he replied as I said in my state of the Union message. The news would be worse before it is better, and it will be some time before we catch up. In Russia Khrushchev was thrilled in a phone call with Garin. He boasted let the capitalist countries catch up with our country. The world was an all an America was in shock. The Washington Post commented the Soviet space feet must be faced for what it is a psychological victory of the first magnitude and new evidence of Soviet superiority. After seeing the world's response to the Soviets Achievement Kennedy changed his tone, saying there's nothing more important than finding a way to overcome the Soviet lead in space, because if space didn't inspire Kennedy beating the Soviet shore did but less than a week after the Soviet launched Kennedy would be faced with another crisis, a failed American led invasion of the Bay of Pigs in Cuba it was a major US embarrassment. Kennedy needed to win twenty three days after guarantee launch. NASA would give him one a human spaceflight of its own. On May, fifth, Nineteen Sixty one Alan Shepherd became the first American to reach space hundreds of reports in white. House staff watched with amazement as the freedom seven capsule powered by von Bronze. Mercury Redstone three launch shepherd into the. Walk. When the rocket took off the man in the control room yelled. You're on your way, Jose. After reaching the edge of the atmosphere shepherd remarked what a Beautiful View! The flight lasted fifteen minutes twenty eight seconds before the capsule splashed down in the Atlantic Ocean three hundred miles from Cape Canaveral where he and the freedom capsule were helicoptered out of the water. Shepherd didn't make full orbit like a Garin, but it was still a massive achievement. It captured the country's imagination, and perhaps the president's to. Shepherd was flown to the white. House received a hero's welcome from the Kennedys on May, twenty, fifth, nineteen, sixty, one, not long after launch JFK, gave a speech before a joint session of Congress. I believe this nation should commit itself. To achieving the goal before this decade is out of landing a man on the moon, and returning him safely to the Earth. No single space project in this period. will be more impressive to mankind or more important for the long range exploration of space. And none be so difficult or expensive to accomplish. The race to the moon was on. Maginness July of Nineteen Sixty one your navy helicopter pilot, onboard and Old World War Two aircraft carrier. Randolph. Today the rand office positioned off the coast of Florida. She's not fighting Nazis anymore these days. She's a recovery vessel for project mercury. As the rescue pilot. Your job sounds simple. Pick up the astronauts and their capsule after their post mission splashdown. Today's mission is a big one minutes ago. The Liberty Bell, seven capsule man by Virgil Ivan Gus Grissom was shot into space by the Mercury Redstone for rocket. It's the second human spaceflight and US history. In the cockpit of your helicopter on the flight deck waiting. You'd be lying if you said you weren't nervous. co-pilot John Reinhardt seems cool cucumber. What's our att any minute now by then over the radio? You hear the words you've been waiting for. You open the throttle slowly. pull up on the collective increased pitch depressed the left foot, pedal your in the air and soaring across the Atlantic Ocean. Off in the distance you can see the capsule already in the water as you approach, you think through the mission step-by-step Grissom, wait for you to hover overhead, contin the capsule and raise it down to the water. Once you give him. The all-clear ricin will remove the cap from the detonator whole, the safety pin and blast open the hatch from there. Reinhardt were lower a horse collar and pulled him to safety. If all goes as planned for, some won't even get wet. For Ingress now brought to that. What has he moved into position over the capsule? You see something's not right. HAT has already blown. Capsule filled to the brim with water is starting to sink. GRISSOM is floating in the ocean, but you don't panic. GRISSOM sued is designed to keep afloat the Liberty Bell. is sinking favor capsule. Capsule thinking so fast. Reinhard barely has time to make the connection between the book. A loop at the top of the spacecraft before the council disappears below oceans waves. From the water down below Griffin gives you a double thumbs up. You're about to pull away when you notice something else warning light on your control. I've got a possible engine failure here. How much time do we have five minutes tops? It's now or never your helicopter has lift capacity of four thousand pounds. Capsule is filled with water. This will not be an easy lift. Who Give it everything you've got? Try your best to pull away. The Ocean won't let you just as the capsules, heat shields almost cleared the water, a massive wave crashes against capsule semi splashing back into the ocean. You Struggle Steady helicopter with the capsules. Weight is pulling its blades dangerously close to the water dangerously close to grissom fighting to stay afloat. Only one thing you can do at Lowe's. As, he pulled away a second team. Swoop sounded watched as the helicopter Hovers Place Lowers the Horse Collar cable pulls. GRISSOM, to safety. The pilot in that story is Jim. Louis Louis followed protocol by trying to save the space craft I, but when he made that decision, there was one thing he did not know. GRISSOM was close to drowning. When the hatch prematurely blue grissom acted quickly, he tossed his helmet and disconnected his pressure suit, as water poured in, he left into the Ocean Lewis was right to assume grissom suit was buoyant, but Chris didn't have the time to activate the suit's flotation mechanism. When he splashed into the ocean, his suit immediately started filling with water, but that didn't stop him from trying to help. Louis Save the space craft, grissom survive, but the Liberty Bell was gone lost to the depths of the Atlantic Ocean. After? The Liberty Bell Mission grissom face a public backlash. GRISSOM denied it many believed he panicked and fired his hatch to the resulting in the loss of the capsule. Others maintain. GRISSOM was a hero whose quick thinking saved his life, but one thing is certain. After the Liberty Bell many were beginning to question the capability of the US space program in response NASA could have chosen to play it safe. They could have delayed future launches. They could have shut down the program until further notice, but they didn't instead NASA Preston on February Twentieth Nineteen, sixty, two just seven months later, NASA launched one of the most important flights in American history the friendship seven. Taking off from Launch Complex Fourteen Cape, Canaveral Florida astronaut John Glenn Completed The successful three orbit mission, making him the first American to orbit the earth, the US had finally caught up with the Soviets. Glenn was a national hero, and NASA was praised for its achievement, but friendship seven was a far cry from Kennedy's goal to put a man on the moon to win that race. US would have to pay a hefty price. The Apollo Program as the moon. Mission became known, would require new facilities new approaches new hardware, not to mention a whole lot of money. Over the next few years, Nasr's annual budget would skyrocket to over four billion dollars, but Kennedy understood that when it came to beating the Soviets, no cost was too great. This was about more than space. This was about restoring the perception of American superiority in nineteen, two, addressing a large crowd at Rice Stadium in Houston. Texas Kennedy famously said, but why some say the move. I choose this as our goal and they may well ask. Why climb the highest mountain. Why thirty five. Years Ago Fly the Atlantic. We choose to go to the MOV-. We choose to go to the moon and this decayed, and do the other thing not because they are easy, but because they are hard. Because that goal. will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills. Because that challenge is one that we're willing to accept. One we are unwilling to postpone. And one. We intend to win. Kennedy was determined to put an American. Wasn't the only one back at NASA. Von Braun was chomping at the bit. On had dreamed of putting a man on the moon, since before the two days in Nazi, Germany his redstone rocket had sent humans into space, but in order to send astronauts two hundred thirty four thousand miles to the moon, he needed more power. Von Braun had an answer his Saturn rocket. On October nineteen, sixty one. NASA had successfully launched the Saturn one. At the time, von Braun himself called his design unprecedented with one point five million pounds of thrust. The Saturn one also marked the first time. A large rocket have been built specifically for scientific rather than military purposes, but to make it to the moon the Saturn, one would need even more thrust, and that meant more money money that in nineteen, sixty one simply was not there. A year later, thanks to Kennedy proposed budget von Braun finally got a chance to make his dream. A reality NASA gave him the green light to build Saturn five. It would be the most powerful rocket ever built generating seven point five million pounds of thrust. Von Braun his team and the rest of NASA worked tirelessly trying to figure out how to use the rocket to get spacecraft to the moon, and how to get it back. They knew the Russians were racing to do the same thing. The clock was ticking the task before them was monumental in order to succeed, it would require the full faith and backing of the US government, but throughout the nation and the halls of Congress. Opposition to the space program was mounting. Predicts of the Apollo Program had one complaint in common the price tag throughout the sixties, public opinion polls show that a majority of Americans believe the country was spending too much to beat the Soviets to the moon. The administration had estimated the program would cost between twenty and forty billion dollars by the end of the decade. And August, nineteen sixty three issue of Reader's digest asked. Are we suffering from moon madness the Wall Street. Journal proclaimed a month later. Many Americans doubt man. Lunar flight is worth huge cost. The article quoted one female bank executive. A group of brilliant engineers have found a glamorous toy and WANNA play with it. Others thought the money could be put to better use paying for schools, unemployment, assistance or medical research in nineteen sixty nine article, Moon, dust and black disgust booker Griffin would right in the Los Angeles Sentinel. Not Pass, a rat control built, protect black babies from rats, but can spend billions to explore rocks, craters, and dust thousands of miles away. Former President Eisenhower scoffed at the programs budget, saying anybody spending forty billion dollars in a race to the moon for national prestigious nuts. Congress also pushback, arguing in a nineteen sixty to report for momentary transcendence over the Soviet Union we have pledged our wealth, national talent and our honor. A decision must be made as to whether project. Apollo is vital to our national security. If our security is not at stake, a less ambitious program may be logical and desirable. In one thousand nine sixty three congress cut NASA's budget for the following year by almost five hundred million dollars, but in spite of growing criticism Kennedy stood by the Space Program on November, sixteen nineteen, sixty three. He visited Cape Canaveral where we saw Nastase progress on the Gemini and Apollo Missions Firsthand, while they're perhaps for the first time Kennedy began to fully appreciate the scope of these massive projects. The visit stayed with the president six days later on a short flight from Fort Worth to Dallas. Kennedy said he planned to return to the Cape for the Saturn five launch in December. He thought the space program needed a boost and he wanted to do his part to help. He would never get that chance. On November twenty, second nineteen, sixty three, while riding in a motorcade through Dealey Plaza in Dallas Texas Kennedy was shot by an assassin. He was taken to Parkland Memorial Hospital where Catholic Priest delivered last rites at one PM President Kennedy was pronounced dead. The Nation mourned, and amid all the grief and uncertainty facing the country. There was another question for those working at NASA. The loss of their champion in the White House made the future of the US space program unclear, but had a speech in San Antonio the day before he died, Kennedy had promised the crowd that whatever challenges lay ahead. The conquest of space would go on. There will be as there always are. Pressures on this country to do less and Cam -tations to do something else. That's perhaps easier. But this space effort must go on. The conquest of space. Moscow and we'll go ahead. Much, we can say with confidence. And conviction! Frank O'Connor the Irish writer. Thousand? One of his books I was a boy. He and his friends would make their way across the countryside. And when they came to an Orchard Wall. It seemed too high. TOO DOUBTFUL TO TRY And too difficult to permit their voyage to continue. They took off their hats. And toss them over the wall. And then they had no choice but to follow them. This nation! As tossed. It's cap over the wall of space. And we have no choice but to follow it. Kennedy would never see his dream of landing on the moon fulfiled, it would be up to his vice president Lyndon Baines Johnson to deliver on Kennedy's promise. What's the number? One sign of a bad home security system a home security system that so complicated you never use it. This is exactly the type of system that simplisafe has spent a decade fighting against. They believe that simple is safer and is exactly. Why simply safe is the home security for right now? When feeling safe at home has never been more important, simply safe was designed to be easy to use while protecting your whole home twenty four seven order online with the click of the button open. The box placed the sensors plug it. 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The bookstore little did they know those tweets would galvanize people from across the world to come together to save the Petersfield up from past customers to famous authors like Neil Gaiman book lovers from far and wide rallied around saving the bookstore. It was incredible. It regained your face in the human voice. It makes me more determined to carry on his are look around every time I know just. I'm just so lucky. Subscribe to the daily smile on Apple, podcasts, spotify or wherever you're listening now to listen ad free subscribed to one degree, plus at one plus dot com slash smile. Kennedy had pledged to put a man on the moon. This bold proclamation was made in large part because Lyndon. Johnson made him believe it possible. From its inception in the nineteen fifties Johnson, had one of the space program to greatest champions and advocates as a senator. Johnson created a stir over the Soviet Union's launched Sputnik forcing Eisenhower into a public space race. He didn't want Johnson helped. Write the legislation that created NASA, and as vice president, he advised Kennedy on one America's space policy should be now tragically thrust into the presidency. Johnson would fulfil Kennedy's dream of making it to the moon on the subject of the space. Race Johnson said I do not believe that this generation of Americans willing to resign itself going to bed each night, but the light of a communist moon. The space program had a friend in LBJ but Kennedy Johnson would discover that. The race to space was a marathon and not a sprint. Matters March twenty, third, nineteen, sixty, five, exactly nine, twenty four this morning. World watched as the Gemini Three rocket blasted off into space. Inside a Kerry two pieces of precious cargo John. Young and Gus Grissom. Brown, CAPE CAPCOM That's you you're the capsule, communicator, or Capcom your job is to talk directly with the astronauts Molly Brown well. All astronauts GRISSOM had a habit of nicknaming his ships last time he went with the Liberty Bell, but after the liberty ended up at the bottom of the ocean, grissom decided he wanted something more resilient. Molly Brown as in the unsinkable. Molly, Brown go ahead, Canary Capcom spectacular there. Yeah, it really is. We didn't get to see too much of the states though. Cloud then Roger! Launch went really well. What is too early to start celebrating? There's work to be done, you listen. The astronauts undertake one of the key goals of this mission testing space food. Washer meal, hotdog, Girl Food, but one of these they send a lead. The brownies closed. Let me have some of that juice. When you get done, get any water. Yup, good stuff in a few hours time. The Gemini Three was splashed down in the ocean. You can enjoy some well deserved resin relaxation Asian, but then you hear something strange of the intercom. corned beef sandwich. Your John is about hits the floor. Where did that come from abroad with me? Let's see how it tastes. This is not good. There were lots of pre approved foods to be tested hotdogs, brownies, chicken legs applesauce, but you know for a fact that a corn beef sandwich was not one of them, and now you're starting to get worried smells, doesn't it? S It? It's breaking up. APPROVE NASA food comes carefully contained in tubes, tightly sealed plastic packages, but this sandwich is not approved and INA zero gravity environment. Those floating crumbs could interfere with electronic equipment. I was sticking in my pocket. You breathe a sigh of relief. It was a thought anyway. Not a very good one. Yeah, no kidding wants the higher ups at NASA. Find out about this. There'll be hell to pay pretty good. Though it would just hold together. Walk some chicken leg You can handle that. You think about writing up the incident in a memo, but a memo about space sandwich seems a little over the top, so you decide to let it go there flying a successful mission. That's all that matters. After all these astronauts risked their lives on a daily basis, they need to have a little fun to ease the tension. Then so be it sides. It's just a sandwich, right? The man in this story is L. Gordon Cooper Junior, the capsule commander for the Gemini Three the day of the launch, one of the mercury seven, wally sheera bought a corned beef sandwich, and gave it to John Young as a prank, young slipped it into his pocket before boarding. The Jim Knight, three with GRISSOM. Their emission would be the first to carry two astronauts into space. The Sandwich may have been a job for many. It was no laughing matter. The incident resulted in hours of investigations and heated debate between NASA. Leadership and the government, grissom and young or subject to a congressional subcommittee hearing received a strong reprimand. Members of the US House called the corn beef the thirty million dollar sandwich. Tensions were already high leading up to the Jim Knight Three launch over the last few years, the Soviet space program had achieved some remarkable firsts. In nineteen, sixty three, the Soviets had put the first woman in Space Valentina. Tereshkova in the US women weren't even part of NASA astronaut program. Back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, nine, a privately funded group, had put nineteen American women through some of the same physiological screening tests as the male astronauts, thirteen women past known officially as the mercury thirteen but NASA wasn't swayed, and there would be no American women in Space Until Nineteen Eighty three twenty years after the Soviets. In nineteen sixty four, the Soviets had launched the first multi person crew, beating the gem ny three mission America's first multi person spaceflight by five months. And nineteen, sixty, five less than a week before the launch of Jim Ninety three, the Soviet cosmonaut Alexi Leonov became the first human to perform a spacewalk. In the game of manned spaceflight the Soviets were winning. But they would soon face an insurmountable set. In January nineteen, Sixty six Sarah Gay Carol off the head of the Soviet space program died of cancer. Just two weeks later Luna Nine, a Soviet spacecraft made a soft landing on the moon, although Lunen was unmanned. It was a significant achievement that put the Soviet Union one step closer to landing a man on the moon, but now the Soviet space program would have to continue without its leader. CARE, laws death left a huge foyt. Luna nine would be the Soviets last big I in space for a very long time. While the Soviets were Morning Carolina of project. Apollo was moving swiftly toward the launch, but the Americans would soon face their own tragedy. On January twenty, seventh, nineteen, Sixty, seven, the Apollo one conducted a launch rehearsal test at the helm, once again was grissom in spite of the Liberty Bell Debacle and the scandal over the space. Sandwich grissom was an accomplished astronaut. He had successfully commanded Jim nine three, and he was about to get another chance of glory with Apollo. GRISSOM's flight team was equally impressive and White was an. An air force, Lieutenant Colonel, he became the first American to make a spacewalk on Gemini four in Nineteen Sixty Five Robert Chafee was a navy lieutenant commander he had served as the Capcom on Gemini Four, but the Apollo mission would be his first time in space. He was looking forward to it, saying I think it will be a lot of fun. His colleagues weren't so sure. Many astronauts in the Apollo Program didn't think the command module was ready yet. Especially, Grissom, I've got misgivings. He admitted to the press. We've had problems before, but these have been coming in Bush officials, frankly I think this mission has a pretty damn slim chance flying. It's full fourteen days. Death was a distinct possibility gruesome new on the day of the test. The crew entered the command module. The problem started immediately. I bad smell to lay the countdown. Then communication problems caused risen to complain. How are we going to get to the moon if we can't talk between two or three buildings? More delays followed. Then at six thirty one PM came in urgent crime. We've got a fire in. The cockpit were burning up. On a closed circuit television monitor pointed toward the space craft NASA personnel could see white flames. They heard a scream of pain. And then silence. Rescue crews finally managed to pry the door open, but he was too late. All three astronauts, christm- white, and chaffee died in the fire. At a press conference before the Axon, grissom had spoken some forboding words. If we die, we want people to accept it. We're in a risky business and we hope that if anything happens to us, it will not delay the program. Conquest of space is worth the risk of life. The country was devastated. Many began to lose faith in the space program entirely. Americans were distraught and confused, and the country was demanding answers. NASA review board found a stray spark, and started the fire fed by flammable materials and the pure oxygen environment. The blaze had quickly spread. The astronauts tried to escape through the hatch wants the fire started, but the door was designed to keep the astronauts atmosphere securely inside the space craft pressure inside had sealed the door, making it impossible to open the US Senate also conducted an investigation. It published a damning three thousand page report accusing NASA of. For failing to report its problems with Apollo the next Apollo spacecraft was still under construction, but the Senate report documented fourteen hundred design flaws. As a result of the findings, the Apollo spacecraft was reworked to improve crew safety. Flammable items were removed a nitrogen oxygen mix replaced the pure oxygen buyer for ground tests. Most importantly, the door was completely redesigned the next time crew needed an emergency escape. It would open within seconds, but these changes would take time and money. The Apollo project had seemingly ground to a halt once again. It looked like the Soviets would pull ahead. That may at a dinner meant to commemorate the anniversary of Shepard's flight mood was somber. A solemn von Braun paid his respects to the fallen astronauts. A different decision could have given us the first flight. But could so easily have ended in failure are total space effort. Today is second to none I want every chance for this country to be first and everything it does and yet if we should lose the race to the moon, say for example by a month. We cannot be more than temporarily dismayed. Will be remembered in fact for how we did it, and not when we did. But the United States still had not given up its dream of beating the Soviets to the moon. It's still wanted to be I so. NASA looked to the man the American government and wants down in the man who launched the first American satellite into orbit and the man who had sent the first American to space. NASA once again, put its hopes and Verner von Bro. Imagine, it's the morning of November nine, nineteen, sixty seven. You live in Port Saint John. Small town on the eastern coast of Florida. You're making breakfast for one day normally you and your husband. Either but today he got up before dawn to head out to the Kennedy Space Center. He's covering the launch today for the Orlando Sentinel a few months back. The thirty six story rocket was rolled out to pad thirty nine, a after weeks and weeks of rigorous testing. The Big Day is finally here. Your husband said it's one of those days that makes being a journalist feel worth a chance to witness history in the making the first flight Saturn. Five Moon Rocket. You're about to sit down to eat drags and drink your coffee. It's. Your friend from down the street. Am I interrupting I was just making breakfast. Do you mind if I come in no of course? Is Everything. Alright she has, she's clearly anxious. I was hoping Charles might know something today's. He's there now. He knows what everyone knows. They say it's the most powerful rocket ever built. Are you worried once you not really sounds thrilling? How would join him, but they wouldn't let me in his press. Pass. You pour your friend Cup of coffee and settle at the kitchen table. You push your eggs. Aside Charles was in Huntsville last year when the fired up the Saturn five for the first time. He said it felt like an earthquake in here I thought. I could avoid them if I never. Never went to California. He said he looked around the room and everyone's clothes were flapping men's ties. Women's skirts all moving together in rhythm the acoustic wave. He called it. Did you go no I I was here? They didn't know what was going to happen. They went door to door, told people for a hundred miles around to stay out of buildings. The two of you look at each other you've both had the same thought the launches due to start any minute. Should we get outside? That's a thought. Just, then you hear it a low rumbling, getting louder and louder table in front of you starts to shake as coffee sloshes over the size of the company. The Hallway bookcase rocks, and you watch paperbacks edge off shelves dropped to the floor and the kitchen window pane rattles, and suddenly cracks right through the centre dishes fall from the cabin, shells Saturday on the kitchen floor, low crumbling bills to an explosion. The loudest sound you've ever heard. That's enough for you and Sylvia pushing back chairs. The front door run out to the street for safety. Hey Steven Johnson, the host of wondering show American innovations where we go deep into the stories of the scientists, engineers, an ordinary people who shaped our modern world, our latest series. We're bringing you the story of the Ferris wheel. It's become a symbol of first dates in summer nights, but at the turn of the nineteenth century, the ferris wheel was also a moonshot idea that the world's fair officials kept saying no to for wheel in the sky and other great series subscribe now to American innovations from wondering. At seven am on November ninth nineteen, Sixty, seven, the Saturn five rocket made its presence no. Rockets engines roar to life and seconds later seven point, five million pounds of thrust launched the Saturn five skyward scientists confirmed that the noise created by the launch was one of the loudest ever man made or natural. Launches Saturn five was a massive achievement watching his life's work rise from the launchpad, von. Braun cheered it on. Go baby go! Not, only to the mission go off without a hitch, but he was proof of concept for sending a manned spacecraft into the Moon's orbit after the flight, Johnson said, the whole world could see the awesome sight of the first launch of what is now. The largest rocket ever flown this launching symbolizes the power. This nation is harnessing for the peaceful exploration of space. The country was one step closer to putting a man on the moon. By the end of nineteen, sixty eight NASA was determined to launch a manned rocket into the Moon's orbit, that mission would be Apollo Eight, but even with the recent successes of the Saturn Five Apollo eight remained a bold. In nineteen, sixty six, the gem eleven had traveled eight hundred and fifty miles into space, taking its astronauts farther than anyone had gone before, but to reach the Moon's orbit, the Apollo eight would have to go two hundred thirty four thousand miles. A task was a big. I, the astronauts would have to break out of low earth orbit at a speed of almost twenty three thousand miles per hour. As they approached the moon, they would need to enter his cretaceous field while maintaining control the craft, then using engine power who have to slow down to a speed of about four thousand miles per hour to enter lunar orbit NASA official Chris Craft told Von Braun Verner. We need you to commit your next. Satisfy flight. It has to have men on it, and it's going to the moon. Von. Braun was confident and quickly replied. It's a great idea. On December twenty first nineteen sixty three astronauts, frank borman, Jim, lovell and Bill Anders were launched into space. It was arguably the most dangerous man mission in the history of space exploration on the third day of the voyage. They made it more than two hundred thousand miles into space. They were roughly thirty eight thousand miles away from the surface of the moon when the moon began to pull them into its orbit. NASA knew that. When the astronauts disappear behind the moon, they would lose radio contact if something went wrong. NASA would have no way of knowing. There was no room for the Apollo. Eight engines had to fire for exactly two hundred and forty seven seconds exactly two hundred forty seven seconds. If they did not, the ship would miss. The lunar orbit and the astronauts will be left drifting in space forever. For Twenty minutes Apollo eight was on its own as it drifted into lunar orbit. That's was in the dark waiting. On the radio, they called out. Our. Minutes must have felt like ours. Aright. Then Jim levels convoys have. Very complete. All of it is worth sixty. To nation, ring, out mission control on Christmas. Eve Nineteen eight astronauts broadcast Kathy billion people from space. Following. By. Vast loneliness up here is all inspiring level. Said makes you realize just what you have back there owners. Then, the astronauts took turns reading the opening passages from the book of Genesis about the creation of the heavens Borman. Wished Yours back home. I'd. Married. And Guide our view. All of you on good. You would later at looking at the earth rising of the Moon Horizon. This is the most beautiful chart catching sight of my life. On Christmas Day Apollo, eight finished its tenth and final orbit around the Moon. It was bound for home. The engines again fired this time exactly for three hundred four seconds taking them out of the Moon's orbit, an on their two and a half day trip back to Earth where they splashdown in the Pacific Ocean. After the mission, the Apollo crew got a phone call from a very happy man President Johnson, this is a message to colonel born captain, level and major anders. We thank God that you're back safe again. My thought this morning went back to more than ten years ago when we saw sputnik racing through the skies, and we realized that America had a big job ahead of it. It gave me so much pleasure to know that you men have done a large part of that job well done. Johnson had run a strong leg in the race, but he was not destined to make the final his presidency tarnished by the horrific brutality of the Vietnam War. Johnson declined to seek a second term in the White House task. Putting a man on the moon would fall to his successor Richard Nixon. 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In The Beginning...| Part 3

Apollo 11: What We Saw

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In The Beginning...| Part 3

"The in the earth and the farm and all Darden Monomania the name as Apollo finally starts to take wing to shocking to learn that the entire program and everything it accomplished really was the world's most spectacular plan B. in part three of what we saw. We'll see how this simple straight path to the moon was too complex too expensive into to having instead an intricate ballet of rendezvous docking transfers and all the rest ended up being the path that we finally chose to the moon this plan B. Approach required vastly more skill than what we originally thought we would need for Apollo nope. We ended up going down that road anyway since when you get right down to it skilled US way anything from a fire during a routine test to Christmas messages from the Far Side of the Moon Watch the Apollo program got to that one giant leap the series very small steps choose to go to the moon and this detained and do the other thing not because they are evening one be they are hard and or one we have thirty minutes past the hour lift. I hear the ankle as Landis Puncturing Cudi Base Armstrong Aldrin's started to prepare their backpacks equipment for the moment when they would depressurize the lamb open the small hatch down around knee level between their two positions and then crawl backwards blind onto the surface of the moon and this would end up taking much longer than expected three and a half hours instead you too sure they rehearse this process dozens of times in the LEME mockup back on earth their suit preparation began with all of the gear neatly laid out but one of the very few training oversights at NASA committed they had failed to account for what the assumed soon would be minor items such as food and water packages checklists and all the other tools that had Phil Eagle to the absolute limit and made what was supposed to be two hours of cramped difficult motions into something considerably worse the ladder as prepared for the V._A.. That's the extra vehicular activity. The nearest humans were two hundred thirty eight thousand nine hundred miles away with one exception. Mike Collins the enigma. The third person on what's so often described as a two-man accomplishment was orbiting Amir seventy miles overhead in the command module Columbia now one of the greatest ironies of the entire space race that the one man who was is physically closest to Armstrong and alternates they step down the ladder was about the only person in the civilized world who was not able to watch it on TV here about the only person around. It doesn't have T._v.. Coverage the thing. I don't mind when you get right down to it. Why was Mike Collins even there why would he and Dick Gordon Stu Russa Al Warden Ken Mattingly and Ron Evans the command module pilots on the remaining Apollo landings endings? Why would they be able or even be required to late claim to the title of the loneliest men in the world spending half an orbit over the earth side landing sites and the other half the far side of the Moon Collins what he expects to we'll be doing up in that command module by rarely just tending the storm is Mike Collins was there because the law said he had to be there and that would of course be the Mercilus Law of mass and gravity not because the numbers added up from to be there but rather because they didn't that third man in lunar orbit was there because the entire Apollo program asked flown wasn't fact the world's most magnificent plan B. now to understand what I mean by this we have to I visualize the massive booster that was envisioned to get the Apollo astronauts to the moon so just close your eyes for moment and just think about this beast eight of the massive F. One first stage engines providing fourteen million pounds sounds of thrust at liftoff a monster of booster fifty feet wide around the waist almost four hundred feet tall capable of hurling a one piece fifty ton spacecraft to the surface the moon and having a fuel to get back again that magnificent three stage rocket that gleaming pillar of fuel hope skill and technology that unsurpassed miracle of engineering would be known as the mighty and legendary see eight Nova Ova and the C eight Nova would never be built because building that one rocket and that fifty ton one piece moon vehicle was simply against the law now anyone who's ever seen a Saturn five launch in the flesh at Cape Cape Kennedy and at one of those people remembers that brilliant flare of the rocket engines and the little white needle kind of rising slowly into the sky and utter silence can clearing the pad before the sound had time to travel the twenty miles needed to come Tom and hit us in the chest? You didn't hear a Saturn five so much as you felt it and anyone who's been there in person or the far greater number people who've seen those slow motion videos of those main engines in spewing fire and smoke rapidly accelerating upward motion as the words United States scrolls by red letters anyone contemplating the sheer magnificence of a Saturn five launch ought to stop for moment to remember member that that was the little brother of the half again wider Nova that was originally planned to take Apollo and that single huge one stage lander to the moon that meant as originally envisioned Neil Armstrong mm stronger whoever that first person would be would not climb down to the surface on ladder with ten individual runs rather one with six this brute force approach landing on the moon was called direct ascent the single piece direct. The Senate plan required no rendezvous no docking no eagle. No Mike Collins no problem. Only we couldn't get there from here now. In aviation keeping the weight of an aircraft to a minimum is critical when preparing for his transatlantic Atlantic Solo flight back in nineteen twenty seven pilot Charles Lindbergh was so obsessed with saving weight that he cut the thin white borders off his paper charts but when you're dealing with a rocket which is trying to lift a payload straight up into the sky without the the use of aerodynamic lift that's provided by airplanes wings then there's only one simple law and that law is wait is everything revolutionary aerospace designer Burt Rutan who would later built his own sub orbital space craft just for kicks X. proposed the following test of the weight of each component added to the spacecraft. Take the peace apart were in question throw it into the air and if it comes back down again then it's too heavy now there were many pathways to the moon several different combinations launches dockings crews and modules from the Nova Power Cadillac of a single stage lander to the Ford Pinto version of tiny Jimmy Capsule and a one man lander. How did we end up with the configuration? That actually flew well. The first thing to go was the Nova Rock itself was just too big too heavy too complex and even for Apollo too expensive. Could you still do direct ascent that is one single vehicle for the entire trip without the Nova well technically you could using nobles little brother the Saturn five you could pull it off if you assembled everything in orbit requiring an estimated fifteen saturn five launches just for that one mission gone was that fifty ton Cadillac battleaxe that some people worried would sink into the lunar dust under its own wait what eventually replaced it would be far more complex far more difficult and would require far more skill to achieve command module in very complex vehicle and <hes> do nothing inside it requires the a good deal of switch drawing and a certain amount of attention so when you get right down to it Mike Collins was flying over tranquility base on July twentieth nineteen sixty nine because skill way anything I think those of us <hes> that participated in development of the Apollo spacecraft believed that it's the best way certainly was the one that was <hes> promised to Beta least expensive and one that would use the last time NASA had come upon what it considered to be the best compromise between weight and safety a smaller slimmer version of the Nova a three stage rocket called the Saturn five would lift everything needed for a single moon mission without any additional launches five not eight massive F. One engines would produce seven and a half million pounds of thrust at liftoff and burn for about two two and a half minutes before being cut loose to fall into the Atlantic not too far from where Hamdi Astro chimp had splashed down in his early mercury capsule then five smaller engines on the second stage would continue this acceleration and then finally only news are confirmed go for a single engine really remarkable third stage who get them safely into Earth orbit and then if all systems were go go would would fire again to accelerate pet motley collection modules out towards the Davor Magnificent Dr Roger Eleven will pass that on and it looks like you're on your now now and we'll be right back after message from our sponsor and that sponsor is net sweet. 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That's net sweet dot com slash Apollo for your free guide seven key strategies to grow your prophets net sweet dot com mm-hmm Slash Apollo now once established on the three crews something remarkable would happen that brand new three man Apollo capsule because the command module would sit on top of a beefy collection of water oxygen oxygen instrumentation thrusters fuel and one big old nasty rocket engine it was called the service module and right up until the final minutes of the mission. The command and service modules would function as a single vehicle sometimes called the C._S._M.. On the way to the moon the command module pilot would turn the C._S._M.. One hundred eighty degrees facing backwards now and aim towards the top of the third stage that it had just undocked from four external ferrings would open up like a lily and reveal inside the shriveled looking king limits for spindly legs folded that it would fit inside the third stage the G._M.. Would then dock with the top of the lunar module and then using its thrusters gently pulled the lunar module out of its cradle the now empty Saturn earn five third stage would continue on into the void as the command service and lunar modules made curiosity course corrections as they headed towards the moon that beefy motor at the back of the C._S._M.. Within light to slow the combined modules into Lunar Lunar Orbit Eleven here your goal for over one safely safely established in lunar orbit two of the three astronauts would travel from the command module into the two stage lunar module patches on both vehicles would be sealed and the lunar module with two astronauts would undocked from the command service module which would remain in orbit under the command of the solitary command module pilot the two stage lunar module would then fired heard the descent engine to ride down to the lunar surface powered by the lower descent stage wrapped in gold foil for thermal protection once landed the astronauts would prepare for their exit of the Lunar Macho descend down the ladder to the foot pet of the limb and then step off onto the moon step off the land now at the lock my way of now after completing their moonwalked the two astronauts would climb back past the spent descent stage gleaming golden the stark sunlight and re entered the delicate upper stage of the Claire Protect upper one on their way roger top of the Lin wood fire the smaller caller essence stage engine using the four legged descent stage as a launchpad then the ungainly asymmetrical triangular. I'd ascent stage would climb into rendezvous with the command service module the astronauts astronauts and the samples would be transferred to the triangular command module the upper stage of the limb would be jettisoned to crush back into the lunar surface and the engine on the back of the service module would fire one final time to accelerate them out of lunar orbit and get them hit it back to Earth remind by consider the having the work of angers stars with fell head or what is mad. You're out of another three days of relatively uneventful cruise to get home and shortly before re entry. The trustee service module would also be jettisoned leaving only the three men plus whatever they gathered on the lunar surface to endure the terrific heat of a reentry even hotter than those that went before due to the fact that the capsule was carrying so much extra speed since it was coming back from the moon once safely pass the scorching heat of re entry small drove parachute would open that would slow stabilize the command module and then at ten thousand feet three main parachutes would blossom open lowering the tiny command module into the water to be recovered by hopefully nearby aircraft aircraft carrier piece of cake. The good news was at this lunar rendezvous method meant that only the lightest possible lunar module would actually make the descent the even later upper stage would come back from the surface and the combined weight of command and service modules would not need all of the extra propellant required to land it and get it to take off again as you would. In the direct ascent model the bad news was that this would require undocking the command and service modules from the third stage wjr turning around to dock with them to pull it free performing along deceleration burned to enter lunar orbit undocking with the command module writing the descent stage of the limb to the surface making an entirely separate launch from the moon using an untried tried engine in the essence stage then redocking with the command module again doing another long burn on the service module engine and then simply burning off all of that excess speed in the re entry of all re entries and then finally hoping that the parachutes that it'd been frozen and broiled hundreds of times during the day journey would work perfectly that the flotation collar on the command module would deploy that a helicopter would arrive in time that the three astronauts could exit to a small inflatable raft without falling overboard Gordon drowning that they could be winch ten stories into the sky without the failure of the basket the cable or the helicopter and then make a safe landing on the carrier deck and return from the South Pacific without hitting an iceberg so what could possibly go wrong now. Obviously this is clearly impossible and true enough to do all of that from a standing stark could never have been accomplished but when the Wright brothers set out to build a flying machine they didn't start with the blueprints for an F. twenty two raptor. With advanced stealth capabilities retractable landing gear over the horizon radars and air-to-air missiles that was just a little bit beyond the Wright brothers reach what they did build was a lightweight wooden skeleton fabric covered wings a home built twelfth Wa horsepower engine control by simple levers and using wires to deform the wings simple rods to raise in lower the elevator. You will never understand how we landed on the moon if you don't understand the difference between the Wright Flyer and the F. Twenty two building an F. twenty two from scratch is utterly impossible but building a rickety test vehicles not far from building fabric wing World War One fighter like the stop with camel which is not too far short of a wooden skin monoplane like the Hawker hurricane which naturally leads to a steal an aluminum turbocharged p fifty one mustang sometimes breakthroughs occur like the jet engine giving you the F. Eighty-six Sabre just a couple of years later from the sabre. It's not too big leap to go to supersonic for sonic flight and the F. One hundred and the four Phantom fly-by-wire appears with the F. Sixteen Viper and stealth with the boxy looking f. one seventeen now throw an advanced radars on the fifteen eagle state of the art engines on the F. Eighteen Hornet and then with a little elbow grease. You can look and see a six generation fighter called an F. twenty two. This is called `incrementalist so if the question is how do you land on the moon. The the answer is one step at a time. Mr Project Apollo was not just a monolithic block of lunar landing missions. There were in fact ten different Apollo mission types laid out at the beginning of the program rip. Let me read them to you. In a row see get a sense of the incremental steps each variant would advance apollo emissions would be an unmanned tested the command and service module in low-earth-orbit Apollo be missions would test the unmanned lunar module and earthworms these missions would be followed by Apollo Sea the first man flight of the program essentially repeating the emission by testing the command and service modules but this time with a live human crew Apollo d would would add the lunar module to a manned mission in low-earth orbit followed by Apollo e which would be a crude mission featuring a partial firing of the third stage C._S._M. and limb into a highly elliptical orbit ranging from mm-hmm low-earth-orbit about one hundred twenty miles all the way out to three thousand five hundred miles it would still remain well within the earth's gravity field follow F. would fly the command service and Lunar Modules into lunar orbit operate the vehicles the send them to some distance above the moon and then abort backup to lunar orbit for returning the first landing would be the minimal Apollo g mission with one V._A.. And No more than twenty four hours on the moon there might be several of these g type missions before an advanced lamb on the H.. Missions could extend the state of two days and to moon walks then would come the I missions which would allow the command module longer stays in orbit for further mapping winging experimentation and finally the block three lunar module complete with two seat golf-cart-sized Moon Rover but allow stays of three days and three moon-walker Moon drives if you prefer <music> and we'll be right back after a message from our sponsors. Don't you just hate these little like physical chores that you have to do little trip you have to get your car drives some place and and handle something that you should just be able to do on your computer. That's like you know it's like oral surgery. They don't give you any anesthesia now. Not Saying it's living in Stalingrad or anything but frankly. I like to save a lot of time so what I do as I used. 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Little digital scale comes with no long term commitment you put the letter on the scale scale talks the computer computer principally slap it on there and you're on your way so just go to stamps dot com click on the microphone up at the atop the homepage and type in the word Apollo that stamps dot com and enter the word Apollo not all of the missions would require the same hardware namely the mighty Saturn five the smaller and far simpler Saturn one could do the job of getting hardware into low-earth orbit the Stubby single-stage Little Joe to contest the launch escape system which would snatch the three men in the command module up and away from any inflict catastrophe all of these programs tmz began in earnest and from the very beginning it was decided that individual private aerospace companies would be responsible for the individual components North American Rockwell would build both the command and service modules as well as the second stage the Saturn five the U._S.. Naval aviation specialist grummin would build both the descent and asset stages of the lunar module commercial aviation giant Boeing would build the immense first stage of the Saturn five and the critical third stage went to its archrival Douglas Aircraft Company I._B._M.. Would handle the instruments guidance until elementary functions and unlike the Titan to booster used on the Jim and I program which just left off the pad the sheer size as of the Saturn five minute far more sluggish almost lethargic at Liftoff Dick Gordon who flew both on Jim nine eleven and Apollo twelve with later described the Saturn five as an old man's ride compared to the zippy titan to in fact Buzz Aldrin and a few other Saturn five jockeys admitted that they could not tell exactly when the Saturn five had lifted off the ped- without checking their instruments. That kind of thing wasn't a problem on juvenile tighten the redstone and atlas boosters used in project mercury and the Titan rocket used for the gym and I- missions all had one thing in common they began their lives as I._C._B._M.'s intercontinental ballistic missiles. They were designed A. B. Slender enough to fit inside an underground launched silo but the first of the new series the Saturn one was under no such restrictions just looking at it on the pad. You can tell that this is a whole new breed. It's just how big fat nasty rocket C-h-a-d von Braun basically took eight of his redstone boosters the ones used to launch Alan Shepherd and Gus grissom on the first two sub orbital mercury missions and strap them together to make a single first-stage known by critics of the designers clusters last stand stand squat block and loud the Saturn one flew ten flawless missions. The first four were sub orbital test flights mission five added a powerful second-stage in fact when President Kennedy. I inspected this essay five mission prior to launch. He realized that with this combination the United States had finally produced a booster stronger than anything the Soviets had ever <music> now essay five the pat on January twenty ninth nineteen sixty four sixty nine days after John Fitzgerald Kennedy were shot through the head during motorcade trip through Dallas Texas on November twenty second nineteen sixty three Kennedy did not live to see the finish at the space race but he did live long enough just barely long enough to see his nation finally come from behind. Take the lead and run with all the way to the Sea of tranquility complicated is developing improving the launch vehicle like that thing that that and one theory which began in nineteen sixty one UH ended in nineteen sixty five with a pen for ten record the Saturn one was designed from the ground up as a testing and experimental vehicle rather than being a modified weapon and despite the fact that it never flew a manned mission it turned out that this was not going to he clusters last stand after all a much improved version the uprated Saturn one or the Saturn one be would become the unsung workhorse of the Apollo Skylab and Apollo Soya's programs. I was there at Cape Kennedy for the last Saturday flight light in history. It was July Fifteenth Nineteen seventy five when essay to ten the final Saturn one be launched the final Apollo capsule for rendezvous with the Soviets Soyuz capsule the space race that had begun with the launch of Sputnik one on October fourth nineteen fifty seven came to close a few hours after that launch when the hatch between the two spacecraft open and veterans of Mercury Jimmy and Apollo missions shook hands with flight engineer Valeri Very Kuba Sauve and cosmonaut Alexei Leonov who had come so close to dying trying to reenter his inflatable airlock on Vostok one just a decade earlier was a Saturn five slowly began to take shape the first flight of the Apollo the program A._S. to a one took place on February twenty six nineteen sixty six when a Saturn one be lifted the brand new block one command and service modules up on a suborbital flight to more test flights followed testing how the super cold old liquid hydrogen fuel needed for the Moon missions behaved in zero gravity. Everything was looking good A._S.. To four was ready to fly the first Apollo astronauts and their brand new Apollo capsule into Earth orbit atop. The proven unreliable reliable Saturn one be launch was set for February twenty first nineteen sixty seven A._S.. Four was given the name Apollo one the mission patch depicted the command and service modules in Earth orbit with the still distant moon far beyond a circular American flag motif form the outer border a NASA was taking no chances on this I ever Apollo man mission seasoned Mercury and Jimmy Veteran Gus grissom. The second American to fly in space would be mission commander Hander Ed white who'd been so reluctant to end the first American space walk on Germany for a few years earlier would fly as senior pilot and the third seat went to a boyish-looking rookie name Roger Chaffee. No this was definitely lately. The eighteen with a mercury Jimmy Apollo commander a Jimmy Apollo senior pilot and an Apollo only former boy scout making his first trip into space now three weeks before liftoff I grissom then chaffey and finally white entered their command module capsule for what was considered a non hazardous preflight test the three astronauts and full pressure suits strap themselves into the block one capsule to perform what's called a plugs out test of the command and service service modules running the vehicles on simulated internal power only as if all the cables and umbilical were detached now since the Saturn one be was not yet fueled with it's super cool propellant. There was no need to add the risk of misfiring of pyrotechnics systems in other words in the interests of safety the explosive bolt securing the hatch and been disabled for the test almost immediately gus grissom reported smelling sour buttermilk in the capsule. No cause of the odour could be found so the test continued at about two forty five P._M.. The complex three-part Apollo blocked one hatch was closed partially closed anyway because a few external cables were needed to simulate the capsules internal power supply which would later be generated by hydrogen fuel cells during the actual mission. The interior of the capsule was in pressurized to sixteen point seven PSI of pure oxygen and over pressure relative to the surrounding atmosphere to keep dust and small small debris moving out of the capsule rather than letting anything blow in now stuck microphone had held up the test for two hours causing grissom to turn to his crewmates and say how are we going to go to the moon if we can't even talk between two buildings little after six thirty P._M.. As the astronauts were running through a checklist yet again there was a spike on the voltage on A._C.. Bus Number two nine seconds later. One of the three men almost certainly gus grissom shouted fire followed by two seconds of struggling recorded by grissom stuck microphone then Ed White and reported. We've got a fire in the seven seconds after that a badly garbled message was received. It's hard to decipher what was actually said but we've got a bad fire. Let's get out were burning up was the likeliest interpretation this final transmission lasted for five seconds. It ended with a scream of pain some witnesses mrs on the ground in the blockhouse reported seeing Ed White reaching for the hatch release handle as flame spread throughout the capsule pressure from the hot gases then ruptured the inter-lining of the command module causing flames to rush out of to access says panels now the support crew up in the Gantry had been issued gas masks but these were designed to protect from chemical leaks and we're near useless against the heat and the heavy smoke pouring from inside the Apollo one capsule it was a serious concern that the capsule so might actually explode or that the heat would ignite the solid rocket booster on the escape tower killing everyone in the Gantry it took five minutes to open all three hatch layers cabin lights were still on but at first they they couldn't see the bodies because of the dense black smoke but when the smoke began to clear GUS GRISSOM was lying on the floor near the hatch having unstrapped from his couch in an attempt to force the door open at White's restraining training belts had burned through he was lying sideways just below the hatch he fought to free chaffee was found still strapped to his right hand. Seat emergency procedures had dictated that he remained in position to maintain communication vacation until white had gotten the Hatch Open Roger Chaffee died at his post so much nylon had melted during the fire that the bodies had been fused into their final positions took almost ninety minutes to remove them from their Apollo spacecraft grounded mercury astronaut D.C Slayton was among the first on the scene he was in charge of the astronaut a program and he'd worked with Gus grissom since both had been chosen as part of the mercury seven at the very beginning of the space race looking down at the buys of Ed White and Gus Grissom Slayton later said that the two bodies had been so badly a jumbled together that he couldn't tell who's head belonged to who now there was some comfort significant comfort when the autopsy revealed that the cause of death of all three men was cardiac arrest caused by carbon monoxide poisoning although oh all three separate third degree burns it was determined that most if not all of these had happened after the cruise death by fixation Ed White Gus Grissom in Roger Chaffee not the first American astronauts to be killed in an attempt to reach the moon one week sure to be year before the Apollo one fire the prime crew of Jim nine group to recruit Elliott seed and group three astronaut Charlie Bassett were killed when they're t thirty jet crashed in bad weather their bodies coming to rest within five hundred feet of the gym and nine capsule but White Chaffey and gruesome with the first Americans to die in their suits and aboard their view seven more would join them in January of nineteen eighty six when the space shuttle Challenger exploded on launch and another seven would be added to this brim total in February of two thousand three when challenger Sistership Columbia broke up upon reentry all of these men and women knew the risks they were taking no one expected to do things as difficult and as dangerous as this without lightly paying the price in lives but what breaks my heart is not so much the fact that these seventeen astronauts shots died at their stations. It's the fact that in all three cases there had been very serious cause for alarm well before each of the fatal accidents had occurred. There's a picture of grissom white and chaffee just one gag exposure does your after the standard optimistic official mission photo. All three of them are bent over a model of the block one Apollo capsule they have their eyes close and they have their hands clasped in prayer. There had been so many problems. Is With the Apollo one capsule including repeated pleading to remove the abundance of flammable materials that grissom talked his crewmates into snapping that gag photo which he then sent to Joseph Shea the Apollo spacecraft program officer Sir with the caption it isn't that we don't trust you joe but this time we decided to go over your head in other words. If NASA wouldn't listen to their concerns hopefully God in heaven would six hundred and twenty-three squawks those would be individual maintenance reports were attached the following capsule after taking delivery at the Kennedy Space Center prior to that one hundred thirteen fixes had to be made just to get a conditional certificate of flight-worthiness grissom had becomes so frustrated with these constant engineering fixes not being present in the simulator that he took a lemon from a tree at his house and hung it from the front of the Apollo and mockup in two thousand seventeen the charred clumsy Z. three part hatch of Apollo one one on display at the Kennedy space center the actual capsule rests in small completely nondescript pressed aluminum structure at Nasr's Langley Research Center in Virginia seeing the Apollo Halloween capsule sitting alone in the corner of storage room immediately reminded me of watching the arc of the Covenant disappearing into that Ocean of crates at the end of Raiders of the loss dark never timer money to do it right but always always time and money to do it over Apollo for was tested more persistently than any previous American space vehicle. There were no indications of systems malfunction the block one command men modules would fly unmanned on Apollo four the first flight of the Saturn five and a second one on Apollo six for saddened fives only serious mishap in thirteen consecutive successful launches but Apollo one would remain main the only crew on this first version of the command module it took eighteen months of extensive redesigned to create the vastly improved blocked to with far better pressure suits wiring acceleration couches quality control and a one piece. He's quick release Hatch grissom white and chaffee off felt that they're blocked one capsule was an accident waiting to happen that this accident happened to them before Apollo and left the pad and not perhaps to Mike Collins orbiting the moon and Apollo eleven's blocked to capsule catastrophe that would have killed collins and left Armstrong and Aldrin's stranded forever on the surface of the moon or in orbit around it then finally a year and a half after that horrible January day the Apollo program finally started to hit it stride the next four men missions pushing fast in hard now against at December thirty first nineteen sixty nine deadline challenge issued by President Kennedy could they make up the year and a half lost to fire without rushing headlong into another catastrophe well they were by got about to find out the purpose of the flight of Apollo seven could be stated very simply prove that the spacecraft command and service modules rules would function properly in space long enough to carry man to the moon and back Apollo seven October eleventh nineteen sixty eight just two hundred eighty three days before Armstrong and Aldrin were depressurizing the limb to begin their to our and fifteen minute moonwalk pilots dawn Iceland and Walt Cunningham both on their first and only spaceflights. We're joined by Commander Wally Sharara a mercury seven astronaut like his friend Gus Grissom. They blasted off in a Saturn one beef for almost just eleven days in Earth orbit while the third stage which would later contain the lunar module on subsequent missions was empty on this flight Iceland nevertheless performed a simulated docking with a bolted on target adapter but then the real work began critical to every Apollo flights ability to enter and leave lunar orbit was the surface propulsion system. A big beefy rocket nozzle at the rear of the command service modules were C._S._M.. C._S._M.. Paulo Sevens main objective was to test this S._M._S. rocket while still in Earth orbit if this engine did not ignite to decelerate the C._S._M.. On the upcoming moon missions the crew would race past the moon and continue far are far out into the solar system become just a very small artificial planet in perpetual orbit around the Sun. They fired that engine eight times on Apollo seven all eight Burns igniting flawlessly and within one percent of predicted parameters the also conducted the I live TV broadcast from an American spacecraft Brat ball lovely Apollo promptly guy could write all around the crew held up the hand lettered sign reading keep those cards and letters coming in folks but despite the playfulness Apollo seven did have a very serious problem in fact it potentially catastrophic one now this problem could not be solved by engineers or technicians this one would need a psychiatrist and we'll be right back after message from our sponsor remember when you could just go to the doctor and have him look at you and you'd write him a check and that would be pretty much the end of it. No me neither either now a days. The insurance laws are something like what are they seven or eight feet tall and a stack just trying to find an insurance policy life insurance policy any kind of policy. It's just plain nuts. 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Policy Genius delegate what you hate especially if you hate getting wife insurance despite being one of the original mercury seven astronauts while Sharara was not happy even before the launch the decision had been made to launch Apollo seven despite the fact that an unexpected easterly wind meant that in the event of an abort Apollo seven with land not out in the ocean but rather on the Florida peninsula now Apollo seven though technically a blocked to capsule still had the old style Apollo one type crew couches and these were deemed and insufficient to protect the crew from injury or even death if they should have to heartland on and not off the shore of the Sunshine State Eleven Days in the command module and suffering from severe head cold shirow again to get testy and then downright muteness as the mission continued and so did rookies nicely and Cunningham Trough flat out refused to turn on the T._v.. Camera when scheduled snapping back to Capcom that has mission commander he would do so when he thought it was safe. All three of them complained about the food not to mention the sanitary arrangements that meant it took about thirty minutes to perform a bowel movement and the resulting seal left something to be desired as well if you can imagine in yourself spending eleven days in three porta-pottys mounted side by side with the interior partitions removed. You'd have a pretty good idea of what conditions aboard Apollo seven where exactly like but a far more serious exchange took place just before landing now every every American mission since Allen Shepherds Freedom Seven flight dictated the obvious necessity of each crewmen being in a fully pressurized spacesuit during reentry where stresses on the vehicle were enormous and cabin depressurization would prove fatal Edel parenthetically four years later the Russian crew of Soyuz eleven would reenter without space helmets being worn when the recovery crews opened the hatch it appeared as all three cosmonauts had fallen asleep a pressure leak in the capsule Soleil killed them all at the beginning of reentry and they would remain the only three people to have died while actually in outer space the problem was that the new one piece bubble helmets that had followed the changes made after the Apollo and fire were unique in that they were the first and only NASA helmets that could not be opened in front by USA visor Wally Shera raw irritable and in constant pain from his eardrums refused to put on this helmet for reentry. He was concerned that without the ability to equalize ear pressure by blowing down his nose his eardrums would rupture as the pressure increased during the descent something like a shouting match developed between Apollo Seven Mission Commander Wally Sharaa and head of the astronaut program fellow Mercury Seven Astronaut d.c Slayton Shera flat out refused to where the helmet Slayton told him that he'd have to answer for it when he landed this was not wally sheriff's finest moment he'd already announced prior to the launch of Apollo seven that this would be his last flight eighteen months after the Apollo Paulo and Fire Shera was still utterly devastated over the death of his closest friend neighbor Gus grissom now you may remember from our last segment that when Grissom was suspected of prematurely blowing the explosive bolts on the second mercury mission causing the loss of the capsule and very nearly the life of Gus Grissom it was wally Chirac that intentionally blew the bolts on his sigma seven Mercury Capsule once it was safely aboard the recovery ship emerging with a characteristic bruise that resulted from this procedure and which Gus Grissom did not have now Sharon knew that this would be his last mission but not so for fellow crewmen nicely and Cunningham but after this mutiny in space neither astronaut was deemed reliable enough to risk on future missions Shiraz lack of leadership on Apollo seven cost those two men their careers as well but now at long last it was time for someone to write a Saturn five but there was another problem the lamb wasn't ready and time was running out now. Remember that list of Apollo mission types that we outlined at the beginning of the segment delays in the delivery of a man rated lunar module not to mention the loss of eighteen months after Apollo one meant that precise progression of mission types was starting to fall apart Apollo missions the unmanned test of command and service modules in Earth orbit had been completed on Apollo four Apollo be the earth orbital test of an unmanned lunar module had been accomplished and Apollo six and an Apollo Sea mission. A man test of the command in an service modules had just been completed successfully if not cordially on Apollo seven a next was the demission a man test of both the command service module and the lunar module in Earth orbit but lunar module wasn't ready looking ahead to the next mission. The emission was a high orbit elliptical test of both systems but that couldn't be accomplished yet either they needed to lend for that mission as well and even though they wanted to skip both stages and proceed to the dress rehearsal the commission they would still need lunar module the first which was not going to be ready for several more months so NASA looked at the cards they were holding they had a good command service module and they had a Saturn five ready to go but no lamb was August of one thousand nine hundred sixty eight eleven months before the Eagle Woodland at tranquility base so they improvised they would delay the mission objectives of Apollo de that would be the man test of both the limb and C._S._M.. In Earth orbit and they would throw the emission right out the window they had a moon rocket they had a moon capsule and they had a moon fru so they would go to the moon without a lunar module just to kill time it was the boldest most brilliant decision made during the entire Apollo Program Paulo eight would go to the moon in December of nineteen sixty eight when they came home. If they came home there would be one calendar year left to fulfill the promise of a young president with at least two missions left the fly before the first I landing was even at Temple and that is how Jim Lovell Frank Borman and bill anders found themselves watching the earth rise above the lunar horizon. They were the first humans to leave the gravity of the earth and to orbit another world and and as they began their ninth orbit of their ten orbit mission the Earth rose again above the lunar horizon back on Earth Christmas Eve was coming to an anxious close as three Americans disappeared again and again behind the far side side of the Moon Alive TV broadcast had been scheduled and Americans and the rest of the world were glued to their T._v.. Sets to hear what the crew of Apollo eight now two thousand four hundred times further away than any men before them American or Soviet had ever flown including the crew of Apollo seven just two months earlier. There was one giant leap for you. Borman introduced the crew to the live audience back on earth he could by simply raising his thumb block block out every human being on the planet everyone that had ever lived on the earth and then on Christmas Eve the whole world listen I anders and then level and finally Borman as they broadcast live from the moon and they're beginning God created the evidence in the earth and the earth without form and all of the deep and God above the water. They got let there be like there was like Godfather light they could never had to light from darkness called pulling of crime he called paint and the with the day and then in elegant piece of improvisation Frank Borman added this marry at God follow him on Apollo Eight Not Apollo eleven was our first voyage to the moon we ad libbed our way in a capsule so with no name on a mission that had never been planned at Christmas of the most turbulent year America had seen since the civil war. Oh and one more small detail the mission swapping affected everything downstream and one of the things that changed aged was that the backup proves of Apollo's eight and nine would also switch places Apollo Nines backup crew that'd be gap-tooth bald and smiling Pete Conrad along with lighthearted Lunar Module Pilot Alan Bean and command module pilot Gordon got rotated from Apollo Eleven to Apollo twelve while the backup crew for Apollo eight Neil Armstrong's crew how moved up from Apollo twelve to Apollo eleven and must have been a pretty rough call for Pete Conrad Conrad and Alan Bean whose names they had fully expected to pass into immortality as being the first men on them the questions the controversy diversity the analysis Muller Testifies Live all day tomorrow and only Fox News Channel delivers the coverage you can trust when muller contradict his own report or reaffirm its findings watch Brandon Martha Anchor our all day special coverage plus stay with our prime time is shown Tucker and Laura break it down and weigh in on what it all means for the President Special Coverage Starts Live all day tomorrow. Only on the Fox News Channel March Third Nineteen nineteen sixty nine one hundred and forty days before the landing of Apollo Eleven. The first of the man rated limbs was finally ready for its first shakedown crew Apollo nine would step back to finish the demission skipped dipped due to delays with the lunar module. Call signs began to be used for the first time in project Apollo during the flight of Apollo nine NASA had stopped allowing crews to name their spacecraft after Gus Grissom at given his Jimmy three-capsule the name Molly early Brown after the unsinkable Molly Brown of Legend in a backhanded reference to his liberty bell seven capsule sinking after splashdown but now for the first time the two independent spacecraft's command service module and the lunar. Module would be on the same flight separated by distances of a few inches to one hundred fifteen miles. They couldn't both be called Apollo nine so starting with this mission all the remaining moon missions would fly in ships named by their flight truce Jim McDevitt who had pleaded with the late ed white to return from his space walk on Jimmy four with command this mission Dave Scott who'd been sitting next to Neil Armstrong on July eight when that capsule threatened to spin itself to pieces would pilot let the Apollo nine command service module named gumdrops while Rusty Schweickart would put the lunar module spider through its paces now after another faultless launch of their Saturn five booster Dave Scott repeated the hundred eighty a degree turn that the now permanently grounded Apollo Seven mutineer don nicely at completed just a few months before only this time there was no small italic docking target bolted in front of the gaping empty hold of the third stage this time curled titus of butterfly in its cocoon was an entirely separate spacecraft Scott made the docking and then gently pulled spider free from the confines of the Saturn five third stage the next time this critical maneuver it would be attempted it would be on the way to the moon a full-fledged shakedown of both command and lunar modules had to be delayed for several hours due to repeated incidences of what George Carlin would euphemistically call involuntary personal protein spills deals on the part of lunar module pilot Rusty Schweickart now believe it or not after the entire run of Mercury and Jimmy Missions Plus Two previous manned Apollo flights. This was the first time that space sickness really impacted American astronauts it was later discovered that while the Apollo Command module could not exactly be described as roomy when doc to the limb there was enough room for astronauts to twist and float in a way that they'd never been able to before strap tight to their couches <music> now that disorientation between the is in the inner ear 'cause Schweickart and many many more after him to become violently. Ill although none as miserably sick as mission specialist Jake garn flying aboard aboard the space shuttle Discovery on s fifty one D Jake garn would go on to some fame as a U._S.. Senator from Utah for almost twenty years he achieved a different sort of fame among NASA astronaut corpse however garn came so wretchedly miserably space for so long that anyone flying afterward would rate their level of nausea on the Garn scale Dr Robert Stevenson who studied the problem went on to say that garn quote represents the maximum level of space sickness that anyone can ever attain and so the mark of being totally sick and totally incompetent is one garm most guys will get. Maybe a tenth of a Garn if that high and within the Astronaut Corps he'll forever be remembered remembered by that unquote Schweickart vomited in the command module when squirming around energetically in order to get into his space mission commander McDevitt felt queasy as well but when rusty Schweickart pushed himself into the lunar module he rocketed up the gardens skill and was vomiting so severely that back aboard gumdrops McDevitt was concerned enough to request a private Channel Two mission control doctors aboard spider during that miserable time rusty was genuinely worried enough about to fear that he would cost them the moon landing in nineteen sixty nine. Fortunately things eventually settled down a test firing of the leme main engine while still docked to the command service module was not ever part of any of the mission profiles but they tried it anyway and found out at work pretty well information that would prove very very important to three different men on a different mission four hundred four days into the future on day five McDevitt and a considerably less green lean schweickart entered the spider closed the hatch as command module pilot Dave Scott now alone aboard gumdrops did the same Scott pushed the button that would release the lunar module nothing happened spider was hung up on the docking latches so Scott Jiggle the keys little and the next thing you know spider floated free the two astronauts aboard spider had just become the first humans ever to fly in a spacecraft that was incapable of getting them home. It's Gossamer thin legs now fully extended McDevitt and Schweiker put Bolom through its paces slowly and repeatedly firing the descent engine which reassuringly enough sprang to life every single time spider soon accelerated to a higher and therefore slower orbit allowing gum drop the slowly drift more than one hundred miles ahead before spider lowered its orbit and caught back up again now. Even though all of the docking maneuvers were slated to be accomplished by the command module pilot McDevitt vivid actually Reebok using only the limb twenty V. as were performed testing the Apollo Moon suit in space. It was a textbook mission. Everything had worked perfectly and mission control was so ecstatic that there was serious talked for awhile of canceling the dress rehearsal flight still to come when Buzz Aldrin back at Michigan troll watched on T._v.. As Dave Scott successfully pulled the spider free of its third stage he knew at that moment that he was going to be one of the two men who would in fact touchdown on the moon at precisely the same instant now he could not have possibly guest however that it would be he himself and not Neil Armstrong who would stand centered in the frame of the Venus photograph in the history of the slow and steady precise and methodical each individual step a small miracle circle in itself but not particularly more difficult than the one that had come before the dress rehearsal would proceed as planned and if payback had not been forthcoming and as it turned out it was then the crew of Apollo ten would surely have entered the record books as has the most frustrated men in the history of the world now as dress rehearsals go apollo ten wasn't just a line reading with actors sitting on stools. This was the whole show in its entirety lights props costumes makeup sets audience and a full orchestra like Apollo nine. This flight would have a fully capable command module service module and lunar module like Apollo eight it was going to the moon like Apollo eleven the leme would undocked fired the descent engines and slowly fly down to the surface but unlike Apollo eleven apollo ten with then hit the aboard switch send the descent stage crashing into the moon and then return to lunar orbit and make the Long said disappointed trip home so here it last the last box before the moon landing was checked this would be the F- mission the final flight before the grab for the Prophets Apollo Ten man's second journey to orbit the moon was a full-scale rehearsal of all of the activities required Dilan men on the lunar surface except for the actual landing which three time Jimmy Pilot Tom Stafford would be the mission commander on a politician gene cernan would accompany him in the lunar module on this his second mission and John Young who would go on to command the first space shuttle flight twelve years later was making his third trip into space. All three of them would get one more ride in an Apollo capsule but only stafford would not be returning to the moon one last time there would only be one other Apollo mission with the crew comprised entirely veterans and that was the mission that was going to follow Apollo ten admission got off to a rocky Gi start at least as far as the P._R.. Value was concerned having just real loud the cruise to name their own vehicles on the previous flight. No one except the crew was very happy to discover that the command module on this pinnacle mission was to be named Charlie Brown and and the limb the magnificent limb which having survived the name spider would go onto majestic cost like Eagle Intrepid Aquarius Antares Falcon Orion this would be named snoopy naming restrictions would tighten significantly after politician with an imperfect record of success and so on May Eighteenth nineteen sixty nine precisely sixty days before the launch of Apollo all eleven the fifth of Fifteen Saturn fives lifted off against the Florida Sky Command Module Pilot John Young plucked the second lunar module from the Saturn five third stage but this time they were on the way the moon when he did right so the launch directors found that they had been within seven thousands of a second of their plan time for liftoff. It was going well right on time right on target that big engine on the service module performed as advertised easing easing the ships into lunar orbit and then the crew began the transfer procedures and finally with Tom Stafford and gene cernan aboard they sealed the hatch on snoopy. Just as John Young closed the door on Charlie Brown the to craft undocked docked and Stafford started descent procedures that Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin would perform two months into the future. They're owed snoopy all the way down to P._D._I.. Powered descent initiation the point at which the lunar module begins the terminal burn all the way down to the surface now pilot error resulted in an unexpected role on the way down and that gave millions of people watching live on earth a chance to learn some new four letter words for mission control cut the audio again the sound of ever-present bullet whistling past our ears a few more of those revolutions would have put snoopy into an unrecoverable attitude that would have sent them crashing into the lunar surface creating perhaps some brand new lunar crater for the upcoming crew of Apollo Eleven to steer by as it began its final approach to a gravesite out fifty thousand feet above the moon's surface. That's a little less than twice. The height of Typical Commercial Flight Cernan hit the abort button and snoopy's essence stage fired them back up to lunar orbit rendezvous with Charlie Brown and the final ride Home Stafford and Cernan had come two hundred and forty thousand miles to stop ten miles short lunar surface now knowing the unbelievably motivated type of men that were willing to train for so hard and so long and take such monumental risks NASA had decided that the dress rehearsal would differ from the lunar landing in one tiny degree NASA had intentionally short fueled the upper stage of the lamb in other words. The propellant tanks needed to get off of the surface and back into lunar orbit had been deliberately left half empty just in case of far more emotionally justifiable mutiny might tempt Stafford and Cernan to be the wants to make history now. Some temptations are too great for any man the beer crater they're all their due to the intricacies of orbital mechanics the crew of Apollo ten still hold the record for being furthest from the Earth and Tom Stafford Gene Cernan and John Young held and continue to hold the distinction of being the fastest humans to ever live on May twenty six nineteen sixty nine on the way back to Earth the crew of Apollo ten set an all time speed record of twenty four thousand seven hundred ninety one miles per hour gene cernan would get to come back to the moon and get his boots dirty. John Young would beat him to the same experience. Tom Stafford would ride the final apolo capsule on the Apollo Soyuz test project in nineteen seventy five live would not be returning to the moon but as we write this. She was the only one of the three still living Thomas Patent Stafford who commanded the mission that got within ten miles of the moon is still with us at age eighty eight. Oh and one final thing just a few days before we recorded the series in late June of two thousand nineteen. Something remarkable happened you see beginning with Apollo Eleven. All of the subsequent lunar module essence stages say for one would-be intentionally orbited and crashed into the lunar surface to test the seismometers that the crews had left there but since snoopy never actually made the landing the upper stage of the Apollo ten leader module was just set off into the Voi- after docking knocking the asset stage of the lunar module was released its work with finish it glided off door orbit around the sun a small speck of sober aluminum in perpetual orbit around the Sun. It's so small and so far away that we were sure it had been lost river but on June twelfth two thousand nineteen after eight years of Diligent Research Royal Astronomical Society member Nick House carefully wound back the orbit of what was then thought to be a small earth-crossing asteroid named two thousand eighteen eighty two despite odds that he wants calculated at two hundred thirty five million to one Nick House and his team are ninety eight percent convinced a two thousand eighteen eighty two is in fact the ascent stage of the Apollo ten Lunar Macho. I personally am convinced this is true. It has to be it has to be true because the images of those sad triangular diangelo windows floating out there in the silent darkness for more than fifty years now to powerful not to be true out there right now. snoopy must be out on eternal patrol spared only because it had come so close and and yet so far it's next closest approach to Earth will occur on July tenth two thousand and thirty seven when it will come within four million miles of the Earth About Sixteen Times the distance to the moon. I hope they launched emission visit snoopy loopy when she wants again slowly approaches the blue planet where she was made help they photographed her frosted and pitted windows. Help the take a few samples to see what fifty years and space does to the most tightly documented materials in human history. I I hope someone opens the hatch steps inside shines light around lunar module number four and then more than anything else. I hope they leave her exactly where she is. The last surviving piece of Project Apollo so much more than a SPEC aluminum lost in the stores snoopy will be in orbit forever. There's only one thing that will possibly outlast you're certainly it will outlast America it will probably outlast the human human race and it might very possibly outlast all life on the charred cinder once called planet earth as the Sun comes to the end of the life that is now only middle aged flags will be gone. Nettlesome breakdown hoots may or may not walk the lunar surface again in our lifetimes perhaps even ever at all but up there and a quarter of the tranquility. There's a boot print press deep into the timeless airless waterless lunar dust and in our forth and final episode. We're going to take you there and watch as that. One small step makes a mark that will outlive all of history coming up in the conclusion of what we saw a there's not going to be any blurry. Laurie Ghost light black and white images of that one small step for you. steely-eyed missile people you will get to watch Neil Armstrong. Take that giant leap with footage that is sharp clear and in living color so did Neil Armstrong make the greatest stage entrance entrance in history only to blow his only line plus Alan bean forgets to read the instructions and makes Apollo twelve vanish. Jim Lovell makes a deal with Alan Shepherd that he would love to regret Dave Scott High Fives Galileo on live T._v.. John Young returns to his favourite out of the way hiking spot and gene cernan could really really use a nice hot shower. Oh and finally after Skylab and space shuttle missions proved that humans can live in space will spacex see if the final frontier is safe for millennials they'll be tears and smiles as we say goodbye to space race one end after waiting for two whole generations hope burns bright for space race to that's all coming up on our final part of what we see Apollo Eleven. What we saw is written in presented by Bill Whitman produced by Robert Stirling directed by Jonathan? Hey executive producer. Jeremy Boring are supervising producer is mathis glover liver and our technical producer is Austin Stevens post production producer Alex in Garowe story producer Jared ciccio edited by Paul Matthew Gordon and good job audio recorded by might clear Amina audio mixed by Patrick Patrick Joyner and Mike Coral Meena graphics by Coal Hallway and Anthony Gonzales Clark designed by Cynthia and Gulu Production Assistance Ryan Love Sam Thompson and Mason Dodson Apollo eleven what we saw.

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It's always just either like what i assumed to be. A someone's mother or fifteen year old. Who is standing behind the little. It's not even the counter. They've given them a mobile rolling desk that they probably built for my kia and they're just literally standing there with a little scanner thing and they take it from you and i don't know if they scan it because they just take it from us all right. Thank you got this. Don't worry about it feels. Don't worry about it. But i returned a couple months ago and it was this whole thing. There's no way to complain with amazon. They're just like we never got it. You sent us an empty box. I'm like no. I definitely sent it so eventually amazon. Charge me for the item. So issued a charge back on my credit card. And i told my credit card company. I definitely returned. The item gave them like all my documentation. Our company successful successfully did the charge. Like give me my money back. They're like yeah. Whatever amazon never did anything but then last week. Last monday i went through it again. I was fucking stupid. I had to return something so i went back to the ups store. Yeah and same thing. I give them a. Qr code drops off taking a video of you. Shake should've made a video of you packing ceiling. It giving it to them them taking it to the back you holding up to these newspapers at the time place interviewing third person. Do you know anyone who can like notary. Maybe like someone to no no. I'm not but i should. Becoming an editor moms notary does well. Let's get to do it. Yeah well she connection. Yes i think so. Yeah she was not someone else too but so i. This was last monday. I returned it. It never showed amazon. Still says like we have not received your item. You've got like two weeks or whatever to return it doesn't show. Ups tracking so last thursday when back to ups starbuck. Hey i return this thing on monday. It's still not showing up amazon's running behind. Don't worry about it but it doesn't even show up as ups tracking like yet amazon training behind her like this is the ups store. It's not showing up in the ups. Track amazon's okay. So then on monday right before again today right. Before i came to the pockets i went back to the ups store and luckily the guy who helped me as someone that i've seen there before like he knows it was like one of the dudes at all the time here and i'm like hey like every turn this thing monday. It's doesn't show up. He's like he's like yeah. I wouldn't wear too much. He's like i know it sounds like like like i'm pulling your leg. You know amazon is running behind. I won't show up sometimes. He's like look jeffrey. You can do it back then. He's thinking and he's like yeah. I see here on the screen on my screen that you returned it last monday. Four nine pm. All this is like. I can't print this but you want you take a photo of my screen with your phone that we have proof that you dropped it off like yes. I would really appreciate that. Thanks something yeah so like. I took a pull out my phone and took a photo computer monitor. He's like you get it. No glare anything. He's like real helpful. I'd like to thank you so much. God knows gonna fucking happen again. Amazon's gonna be like we didn't get your item or got. An empty box is happening. I don't know something there's going to be a really good podcast about ten years. Yeah i was going to say. It's not like amazon. Needs the money. Yeah like. I don't know if this is a weird thing for me to say but it's just like why would they be lying about that. There has to be something going wrong. You they need your eight dollars and sixty. I was gonna say that i. I've actually been trying to ease off of amazon use here late. Because i feel like they're constantly getting in hot water with how the interest employees so like very minimal amount of usage. But i did order a bunch of picture frames and i moved and one of them came in just looked like someone straight up bucket. Punch the bowl hit no. It wasn't me angry. White guy seems to be fair. It's really hard not to break things when your flinging things over fences because you have a insane on the work to do in a very little deliver eighty hour yes zing. Yeah that's true. That's why i look in the bucks get fucked up. Because i'm like he probably didn't even stop you. Probably the role by like dry. Don't order anything fragile anymore. But i learned my lesson with that too. And i was like i need to do a return. All you take it back. And then they're like keep it like they had an automated message Fucked with it. Like okay sometime i bought. This is like at the beginning of quarantine i bought. It might cover for my mic. It's just like one of these little white suck. Spongy guys thing. Here and foam conduct came by itself because sometimes when you order things. They don't package together even though i asked them to. Every time it was just loosened like its own little bag. And i got an alert thing like your packages delivered. I went outside. i'm like i don't see it anywhere. And so i like put a thing and be like oh. I don't think it was delivered. Because they didn't take or anything like that. It turns out it was so light that it just blew away like it. Just i do it out finding it like down the street or just funding right under baby turtles every so light everytime order something to my house to this ordeal because house is on the street that the gps tells you they always go to it. Either goes to the house on the actual street. Or i don't know where but seen the picture of the door million times in that cannot truck it down but the most recent thing issue of had is like. Let's see the street. I lived on was like dallas. So i put like one two three for a dallas street but ordered something from like indonesia so they put it as like one one two three four dallas didn't put the street so now my packages in dallas and can't figure out how to get his. Yeah he's gotta stop wintry one two three four in dallas. It's out it's at. Usps in dallas. They keep trying to call. And i cannot get our producer new tyler year or two ago a couple of about two years ago he ordered something and yeah you forgot about it. He ordered something that was supposed to come here. And it got marcus delivered. And he didn't get it and he didn't know where it was and he got a call from tyler's on the drag was like. Hey we have a cheer for today's taylor. And they're like the drug. Let's go to store called tyler's and lifted man. That's strange ambi. Could've gotten a. Tyler's keep austin weird shirt or yeah so i store in austin called barbara because now nervous barbarellas seventy missing petras call clogged. Been the burbs not lately seedy attitude. I missed we used to go there man. I was thinking back to this. I'm now almost ten years in austin. When i first moved here like the first five years or so we go down to like dirty six downtown all the time like every weekend chris and then twenty two so it was time is right being twenty two screws being told to bruce being thirty two sick also a little tros but a lot in a different way. Different older you. You twenty eight twenty seven. Twenty seven yeah. I'm a proper adult. I am in my late. Twenty s there you go. You're in your late twenty. I am ricocheting towards thirty eight. That i did not enjoy came to ask. You said you got something from indonesia. What was it shirts I follow these artists on instagram. And they do like they do a seasonal drop so they have like a summer fall winter spring drop and i bought. I finally was able to buy something from drop. Because i never get there in time because they are always like. I'm opening the doors at eighty. Mcast and i'm like i'm asleep. Yeah i have you ever put an alarm on your phone calendar for something by ended that i've done that once or twice. That's how he got it. This type del in dallas. I'm never going to get that shirt. It's awesome so you've been here ten years now barbara. Are you approaching that point where you can say like you. Remember austin before it shitty your you get mad at all the new transplants and move here. No i think. No 'cause i. I'm more self-aware than that. I think you'd be lighting transplant. So i don't think i could ever be mad at transplants. But there are a lot of people who've dawson every day and it's a little overwhelming. What the city has become and just like seeing different neighborhoods in different parts of the road. Load the roads all philip. They were built as a bit like a joke. Like someone in like a city planning was like a dairy with your. I dare you to take the main interstate through the city and then split it for a mile and put it back together can be a one way. I've never for no open. The link between four and seven pm never understand the splitting of highway. Oh it's dumb. And i don't know why you experiences to. It could be fucking two in the morning or seven in the morning or twelve in the afternoon. It could be a friday. Could be a saturday. It could be a monday whatever it is when you get off the top rank and merged with the bottom. Yeah traffic all the time. I don't get for no reason for everyone's changing lanes at the last minute. When you're getting to the split someone decides. They need to be on the on the other. One of the uproar going to the employees just going started. Don't stop it's infuriating. Is that worse or better than what the one to the other highways to be the one. That takes you to the domain. Oh no. They closed the one exit complained about this last time. I was on the podcast. The the one exit to get to the highway like going north and forty closed the the one eighty three one eighty. The they're doing in the only way to get onto one eighty three is. They've got the sides together. Frontage wrote that is two lanes were too fucking lanes it takes fifteen minutes just to get back on the highway. See guy mad about traffic your attractor. Kansas is listening to this while he's doing his crops. Like these fucking city slicker. Yeah i remember sitting on the podcast. I was twenty two twenty three years old and you guys would be like asked in traffic. And i'm just like nothing ever changes no now. I'm old enough when i moved here. In one thousand nine hundred ninety eight and in the amount of time. I've lived here the pop the city ostra proper has doubled in population more than doubled. And it's just so fucking crazy to think we have not increased any the most part and there's been no capacity increase on the road. Let's just jammed people on their guys. Let's not be rushed. They could all leave no build anything if we build never structure lead then. What was the pro. I think austin actively fought growth up until maybe about the mid nineties like the intentionally did nothing to try to accommodate growth Our biggest highway being three lanes only is a great again. Awful decision i am from georgia and from atlanta. There is a literal eight nine lane highway. That still gets backed up but lake. At least he can. I realized recently that atlanta proper has less than like five hundred thousand people. It's like four hundred ninety thousand because it's all ship clubs ch- there's no room for condos the dishing the district. They won't let them. You know how most states the capitol building is to be the tallest building in atlanta. It's ship club. Loan clermont lounge housebuilding an austere definitely independent. I think it's not the w. no independent is that. Is that the one that would just east of the highway. Because it's like we were out barbara our doing something. Recently i shoot. That's gonna come later. But we were all around downtown. Austin and i was just like i kept looking at the skyline because i haven't been living downtown over a year and a half and It's fucking nuts it is independent. It's the one that looks like it's not finished at the very top. Yeah it's west of the highway though. Or what's the thirty five. I think the biggest bummer. With what's been going on is like i used to have this coffee shop. Those from my apartment go to every day with dutch and then lost some andro by it. It's literally hot pink and it has neon signs all inside and it's like a like an instagram spot. yeah alexa fucking hate. You may have a fruity pebble. Lot day. I haven't gone back because it just breaks podcast. It was so. I was like just kinda whatever blue and they had very minimal them. Local artists bringing their paintings and hang up. Actually go in there and right all the time and now the dear diary diary. It's a coffee shop. That kind of sounds like what you're describing this whole other local indie artists stuff in their daily and t shirts sisters. Yeah there's a few coffee shops that are still like that where it's like a coffee shop needs to be relaxing. She'll need to be like a onslaught to your senses. That place is violently pink. Yeah yeah this of risk podcasts brought to you by squarespace from websites and online stores to marketing tools analytics score spaces the all in one platform to build a beautiful online presence. There in your business. If you the website for any reason you got to build it with squarespace course base has loads of features to make your site stand out from the social media integration seeking display posting your social media profiles on your website. You can push website content to your social media profiles so your followers can share. 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We're hanging out for fourth of july and the person whose how house we're at was playing music on like a bluetooth speaker loud to the point where you're like. Yeah so like what. Are you gonna do talking like that. They went inside for a second. I over the bluetooth speaker and just lowered the volume like enough of an ambiance. So it's still there. But not so. I have to talk to be fair. The playlists they were playing was United states helicopter. Vietnam playlist something. So it's songs you listened to you while in vietnam. A helicopter only did that because it was too bright outside the the fireworks. So right now disturbed that you need to be an asshole somehow. Yeah exactly i. I bought a sound system for my garage like big ass speakers. Mel fucking blast like granted. The family next door has a one year old and try to be cognizant of that but at the same time a place you keep awake during the day so they can sleep through the night. You're doing a service be paying you for that you kidding. We should chipped for that. Sounds just like been modem for ten percent of the cost when when the big freeze happened. Big free don't Mean like a couple of other dudes select in my like street. Were all hanging out around a fire because this was the only fucking with your furniture around a trash can do. I mean we were basically there. I was like i'm going to run back to my house. I'm gonna grab a can of beans because that's what. I've got to contribute so then. We put a canopy on the fire. Were just like these are good beans it is. It could be open it yet. What leno or do you cook it. Close oh it would explode if you could also give twenty-seven forget how young she is sometimes anyways. The guy next door revealed a lot. Because i said something about like exercising my garage and then he basically said like fuck you in a way. He went on this little thing where it made. It seem like he's like wife watched me work at as really weird okay. I don't know where it's going but al. Where did the music. I like watching a workout on my peeping campaigner garage. Unity planning one. That's only pay for the sense here. It's your only fans is profit. They're making his co bringing. You blamed workouts. Twenty twenty one scene day. Nigam so tiny scary. Yeah like those like those Ones that look like paper clips sized no. They look like a wolters. Like for your phone like where you put. Usps yikes. i've seen videos of people like airbnb finding those and being like being recorded always. I still do the mirror. Check whenever i go to airbnb us. Wouldn't it. what do you mean so if you put your hand up to a mirror and you don't have a space between your reflection like you're touching fingers like this you want to make sure you're not touching tips touching tips than someone is probably watching you. Try to touch your tip and it could be the sign of double-sided mirror so you don't want to touch tips touchy tips bat. Touching tips is bad. Well i mean yeah so. Each there are touching tip. Yeah okay that's not inherently bad justin this context based really also a double mirror if you're going to the trouble of installing a double mirror lake look to these gives a shit that's not that great this phone great with it's like fantine like go for it and You went through all the trouble of installing double merely share fine sherifi. Have we look ely fucking krief. Do you think you've ever stayed in like a hotel room. That could be like camden somewhere. Like love how little creepy vibes to it normally diligent about looking around. I'm a apparent. It's no surprise that i'm paranoid person. We stayed in hotel. One time for convention in omaha nebraska yet. That was like the weirdest hotel i've ever stayed in. I forget what it was called. It wasn't like a like a hilton or like a chain and in the room was a single bed twin bed like dorm a wooden night table with the lamp on it And i think like one dresser that had some drawers in it. I don't think there was a tv in their care. I don't think. I think there was like three outlets or something like that was the state of. I don't know because it was the dollars paying but it was the same hotel where the convention was happening And of course because of all this you could assume probably didn't have room service. Correct did not have any room so you'd have to go downstairs to the hotel restaurant to get food and it was just like him covered in attendees everywhere. So you're like. I have no privacy to eat. I don't know do. Pre door dashing. Shit yeah middle of nowhere omaha nebraska. I i I stayed at a hotel. Wants that the hotel bar was manned by the front desk staff. Yeah it's like the front desk continued and then eventually turned into a bar. And it's like if you wanted something to drink you go to the bar. When they were done checking people in they'd come over to the opposite of what. I expect that. I could go want to say i love meeting people at convention not trying to say being around attendees is not a fun thing. He's some fucking practice. You wanna just go eat by yourself house some time alone also also a safety. There's there's one time where I saw geek out about this moment. Just like sometimes they geek out about the fact that i hang out with like gus and barbara in kayla of course expense sales shortening yet. Because they used to be big frame. Like freddie wong and he was on Some shoot that we did ages ago was a garland and i got to meet him. There is a really cool in the next year at our he recognized me and i was like oh quote. Furnace am silicon. We went and got breakfast at starbucks. And during our texans guy with filming us the entire time we were just hanging out. I was like us income. Which is like picture toyota. Hey but it's just like when people do it without you knowing that's when it's a little don't be surreptitious. That's a good word. I'm going to add that under tissues. Extremely superstitious man. I i had to so. I said i had a week. The amazon thing. We're just the tip of the iceberg or the up. I went to a doctor the other day thank you. It's been forty. Three years finally saw one c mo for about he popped out and then you never to get her back. I am only that's awful worst-hit my life never going again as a baby. Of course i had like like dandruff. right like flakes coming off my head as i try to dandruff. Shampoo wasn't doing anything too much information for the listeners. At home i apologize but turns out. It's psoriasis onto politics. I was like hey. i've got psoriasis. On my head. I told me i think i've got psoriasis. On my hair. it's like fleet skin dry skin. Yeah he looks at it. And he's like yeah. You got psoriasis. Just start using these drops on your head. It'll kurt up. Well he's it'll get it under control in south carolina but the process to see him was fine. But the thing i complain about is there's way too many confirmations. It's like i make the appointment then. The text me to confirm to make going and i get an email. That's like we have all the information. Then they call and like oh forget. You got an appointment tomorrow. You could just pick one of these three things and would be fine. But i sometimes i get them all at the same time like the email and then i get a text and then my phone's ringing instantly. Which one do you want me to confirm on because if you could do you have to do the other if i missed one of them as my opponent cancelled. It's like dude. I get it. You don't want people cancelling on you or whatever but just pick one. yeah. I don't. I don't understand why i'm getting so many context getting like i'm on an email list about head. I'm not in any medicine. That's right like i know i feel like i'm gonna email. They know too much about me. Salata ads since you're saying you've affleck scouser look at the shampoo. Maybe it'll help you so it's so annoying. Hate that for you. It's helping doesn't say as long as it's helping you comfortably you have one minute interviews. I look in that. Because i think i get that sometimes full scalp. It's like little bits of skin. Mummy just disappearing into the engine to give me like some drops in like after my shower just wherever the flaky from it's like over here and here this put them on the scalp massage. It in doctor that for yearly thing dr like personally i have to go more than normal people yeah. I haven't been in a bit like switch. Dentists in wednesday switched into cancel. My last one. I haven't gotten a new one. Yeah yeah that's a doctor young on regular basis your annual no i. Yeah now. I gotta drives fuck. I just think the last time. Maybe i'm not remembering. He's just he's real boring. Go okay him everything. He wanted jokester doctor who gets a good point. Well this guy though like anybody urine full health terminal pace of the happy well. But i also don't want the guy that's like touching my balls and turn my head telling turn my head and cough to be like giggling. No he's like he's just really meant to be made. I don't know like. I just like i'm a kind of big personality. I want somebody to like match manji a little bit. You know. All i care about in a doctor is that they listen. Yeah a lot of doctors will like kind of rush things along a little bit and or like assume. Like what you're gonna say or like think they know what is wrong with you before you have time to really fully explained things so that to me is the only important factor doctor. That's you listen care. I don't care if they're funny. I don't care if they poked me in the belly after making a joke actually. Maybe i wouldn't mind that that would be a regular doctor. he's great. I love my regular doctor. But sometimes i feel like we talk about things too much really like i. I've been seeing the doctor a lot lately. It's like nothing major. Just various middle things like thrice on my head But like i went. And i saw my regular doctor normally your earlier question normally. I go at least once a year for like a checkup but then if anything pops up i'm not afraid of the doctor i'll go see him for whatever but i went and i saw my regular doctor recently and i. I hate to sound like a hypochondriac. Like i read about this disorder online and i was told my doctor's like hey i read about this thing and i've got like every symptom of it. I said there's nothing there's nothing bad. It's nothing major. Potentially if you have this problem could lead to heart problems down the road so i was like i just want to know. Is there a test. You can run to see if i have this to make sure my heart's okay. And he talked with me for about twenty minutes about that disorder. And i was like i really appreciate just what i read a lot about hero. I read all of this stuff already. But here you're being very thorough and at the tournament but ultimately you're sure right. What do you on your heart. Did you get a echocardiogram by james. He said that for this particular thing know that a ct of the heart would would be better diagnosis cardiogram. I had that done they just. It's like an ultrasound. Almost like they just jill magellan and just people like you lie on the every time i go. I feel like they're really precedent in the ribcage. Yeah i don't know what that is. I realize what i want in a doctor. I want a guy that goes in there and then he recognizes like even working out. I want to fucking ribs your bmi. You're fine. That's what i want but i also want guys like you should watch your testicles though i think i think everyone should go to the doctor once a year. It's just your good meshack not ladies go to the gynecologist. Once a year some gynecologists also do your whole physical. Ms well really question. Three very personal go for male or female lovie. I have a female. Ob yeah there was one time where i had. My usual doctor was like out of town or something like that or like. She was too busy to see me. And i had to get a check up for something and they're like well this other doctors here. Would you be okay seeing him. That's fine totally fine. Yeah i honestly like couldn't care less at this point okay younger. I cared now. I don't when getting a therapist. Because i've been looking to trying to get there. I tried from. It'll be is. Oh i know but i'm sitting and similar question because i was trying to find some. I actually got turned away by several people concerning way and it was like no one wants to give me therapy. Should i get a dude or a lady. That's total personal preference. I personally could never have a male therapist. Yeah yeah because. I want like some mom Vibes from the therapist so that might be lady and also want like a guy who's like maybe like kind of knows exactly what i'm going through. Yeah so i don't know what to do. I think both. I think also the there you could always start with one and then if you're not feeling it you could like yeah. There are basically they know. It's not about them. It's like you're trying to find the right person for you and there's an understanding that if someone isn't the right fit. It's not taken personally therapist. It's like dude you've been working out seem to lift a lot. What are you trying to escape. But he the site bleed feelings uplifting yourself flying. This is your homework now. Do they give homework. Yeah sometimes. I want their fail. You pay them. Oh you don't have to do it. I mean you don't want to get better all been journaling. That's been helping good drillings fine. He's writing right and right. The i didn't look at it like Yeah on the kitchen table. Shouldn't done that. Good book on your tape. That's what it was. You didn't look at it. No no i didn't look at barbara. That'd be the cover. Read not my fucking canadians. Can't read write in english. It's got like a french accent some of the times. Yeah some out there just for fun all right so good. Two-thirds speaking of doctors and stuff like that. I ordered something online. 'cause i've been having like has most millennials do stomach issues where like i've been getting like random bloating every now and then and i know some people say like oh try the elimination diet where you eliminate certain types of foods from your diet and then slowly add them back and see what interact with you so i found this food sensitivity sensitivity tests that you can order you basically give blood samples and then ended in. It's kind of like you your own blood. Not yet so i ordered it. Got it and this morning before. We shot today before doing that. It's one of those things where you get a thing to prick your finger and then you have to like bleed onto a car. Where has circles on it. And i do this thing and trevor noses about me. I get so impatient where. I don't read full instructions of things i just like okay. Wants me to put the blood in the circles prick. And then put the blood there blah blah blah blah after doing this and after it was already dry. I'm like just looking through the rest of the website and it's like make sure you fill the circles with blood and i had maybe put just like a thing just like in the center of it and it's like this is unacceptable. This is not enough blood to collect data. And i was like well. There's a second thicker in here. I'll just prick my finger and like do it there. And like i did that and they're like if you're not sure about your sample you can email us with a picture and we'll tell you whether or not it's good email them and they're like you can't overlap. You have to basically like one source. Yeah so like keep leading into the circle doesn't derived it's doesn't dry and then you put more blood over because it's like the weird that's just the way to. They're also like we don't recommend you use a different finger middle fingers you went with the ring figures. Do it on the side. I don't know i felt like my pointer. Finger would be more sensitive on these. See the so. I have to redo it again. So they're sending me a new kit or at least there are cool about it happens. I've been really curious about this food sensitivity tests of colegio. But yeah i've just been real. I haven't pulled trigger on it. Let me be the test dummy for. I get like bloody fardie and i sometimes think it's from aaa so i'm wondering if it's like the bar code if it's cheese there's also i ordered the basic food sensitivity tests. There's also i think a more elaborate one that has like test for more different things. So i'm assuming you drink. All the protein shakes is not weighing. Say the way makes you mad. Gase sorry to blame that listening. You also ate that. Chicken burrito owes a few days old Did you hear about that. Kayla blaming what would you do. Oh okay scenario burrito from aaa that you. I guess didn't eat or eight partially left out snow. I order. i order to breathe okay. Because if i'm going to order. I wanna make sure it's worth my time in the driver's time. Okay to burritos to one. Go upstairs do some reading. Yeah three hours twenty minutes later hours nathan. I remember that the britos on the kitchen counter. So then. I put it into the fridge. So it's been sitting out room temperature plus the car trip over. You know throw four hours hours. Do you eat that but rita. I've eaten worse food out just on the counter and come back to the next look kills my type trash. Hell he gets it. yeah. I paid for it. It was like eighteen bucks. And i had to tip twenty dollars all this threat saying wasted seem. He should put it in the fridge immediately. When i was drought imply lane being you know but no thing. I was thinking head because if you put hot food in your refrigerator gordon. Ramsay said don't do that. it'll boo. He says it's all bullshit. I heard that it lowers the temperature of your fridge. Temperature really raises the temperature. Hey put hot stuff your fridge. It gets colder if it doesn't eat it. It's funny because we had a livestream as thursday and blaine was talking about on the stream. And i guess my mom was watching so after the stream was done. She just texted me. Don't eat the burrito. And i was just like what i was like. Oh gleaned just understand. I was like i'll i'll tax and i was like my mom says not to eat it. She's dietitian she is about food. Now let's i feel like if i don't know aka hurt me like if you know there were like my girlfriend's mental. I've never worked in food service with my girlfriend has and every time i do something. That is food species like you shouldn't do that. It's bad and i'm just like avenues. My whole life hasn't killed me yet. And also. Hey if you're eating if you're eating the burrito. They looked out for six hours on the counter. Worry about what's in the vaccine less. I'm saying i'm saying. Hey speaking of live streams just remembered. I need a coordinator stream for thursday. Should we stream. Let's shall we stream chat. What should we stream. Thursday thursday for gaming straight. It's it's going to be barbara blame. You ask your mother scaling. What time. twelve forty five. Sorry she's got one two three spreadsheets. What game should all four of us. 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I've played minecraft with my baby cousin before he'll be like yeah. Just do this. And the next thing know i'm like dying from lava or something and i'm like oh that must mean you tricked me caught me. Yeah you'll have. Mario party bruce mario partners. I played that for the first time on saturday. A julia davis witch yesterday switch talk. The problem is yeah. We need someone because usually john would like host it onstream because he has a dot doc for a walk. I think i have a dog. I'm able to stream mind. We can use my screen all right. Yeah we'll look. I might be able to do it but if not maybe we'll keep you as a backup your available doing for sure him barbro alone so much easier than like emailing slacking to be like. Hey i was wondering if you might be free this time to this time. You'll need this equipment. It'd be like hey. Yeah that's one of the things. I miss about getting together and work in the office. Something comes up just like walking over to someone store popping nba. Hey can you do this thing. Yeah cool art. That's how i was able to shame gab. Into a lot of my productions because normally if you just send them an email or slack doesn't Best of luck but if you go into say directed to his face i'll kill you if you don't do this then he'll do it like if you like. Yeah and they'd be like remember that time on the podcast. You said yeah. Mr moon man lecture pants gus. When also thank you to chat chat. Who suggested mario party hell. Yeah hold on a second. I gotta let them know. I'm gonna ask you to the calendar invite adjusted never mind on your end or on our production calendar. Excellent curtains favorite part. Mario start talking about. Knock the podcast excellent. How the sausage. There's something else supposed to do. I feel like there's something different airplanes on something. But i can feel it out later. I gotta do that. by friday. Phallic fifty turns. Nah no i only two hours twenty turns and we'll rush to get that done o- one of the things. I guess we gotta figure out what we're going to be moving. I think the last podcast have we're going to be redoing. The send like moving a little bit. Maybe angel baby thought this was going to be our last episode on this in this right here on this spot but that's not true next week will be our last on this in this configuration. You'll i mean we're not like ditching. The set or anything to things are going to be a little different. You may notice like the angles a little different or the lighting's a little different hopefully from your from the viewer and it won't be that much of a difference but next week with their last time like this. We're gonna have a couple of weeks where we're in transition temporary setup few weeks. Yeah and if you're a listener on spotify or your blinds you'll notice the difference excellent. It'll be great hopefully won't hurt you out. Actually i felt. I felt like i'd just been i haven't said anything about it now. Now i finally remembered yeah. I'm excited for that thing to happen because if it does win it does when it does hat know what's happening then like in win if we come back into office then it's gonna be like new things in that'll be like god knocked fresh. I love change. Yeah i think it's good especially when it's like just a change of scenery change of like something like that especially after being through the last like year and a half of all of this fired. But that's okay so jordan. The mike overrode him the my mic. Select stay yeah. Ooh chat was like you guys should do moving blog. I think that would be a nice little rt live. I don't want to oversell this. It's not going to be like go into it. The could be. hopefully ideally. it's going to be mostly the same. See i'm pushing for more chain. That'd be violently less terminal man. Change scares. I hope you guys don't like rt read. Because that's going away to be a new color. I was thinking move. Alicia abuse should choose you. Bring that up with the squatting forest we are definitely like colors was such a huge discussion. And we're like oh we're we're separating. Rt core kind of idea so like no red involved but then like she has a monopoly on green funhouse had orange now. They're more of a yellow. Yeah with their logo really like it. It's such a cute logo and we'll get shared primary colors like you're whittling down. I like what we ended up with though. That's a really good look very like late. Eighties early nineties. Yeah kind of like. Oh i think you said it looks like a cup one of those cups thing. Yeah yeah it's i like. I like it a lot. We spent a lot of time thinking about colors and logos and looks and names. It was glad we don't that. I heard you gonna put fish in inside the building. Oh we're going to keep working. Keep it running running all day. Yeah that's actually where the new rt podcasts smell knows. Delicious few museums yum yum yum. Picking up on the road. They not set at our. I don't know that we're we're not doing that when they're that have they announced one when you say is that i'm asking if they announced thinks oh okay but how because the thing fucking kidding okay. Okay yeah i've a last few times. I've seen that van. It was in the place that i get my oil change because it's also a mechanic shop and i was like. Oh that thing looks like it's oh this face of driving because the shop. I've never seen a drive is over in that direction. Every now and then i'll see it. Driving like always take photos of it. Send it to inside that place when the drives around like. Is there a lot of equipment and shit inside that van that has to be like secured before they drive it. Just it'd be like a lot of like sauces and like like to see our ultra poli. Yeah all right well. The texas heat keeps evening temperatures. Right out of the dangerous. Like one of those like heat lamps at allude exactly. I was debating whether i have a a sandwich. I left my cordless for song sandwich. Yeah and it's just one of my car all day. And i was like well technically. It's the same temperature. I got when i got it so it should be fine right. Well no like there's like a thing like what is it. One hundred fifty a big mac can go twenty four hours and you'd still have lots mcdonald. All this is like a this is like a someone scrambled eggs and put some bacon. Who wanna go for it. I think he'd be okay. It's gonna go for it not if you if not you'll have a bad hours. Have a pretty strong stomach. I do too. I think i've only had food poisoning twice in my life same so i think that's something you and i haven't come. We'll eat anything. i need anything. I'll eat stucco. I volunteered to stomach. Or whatever on cannon. Throw up i knew it would taste Up kudos to you on that could relate to talk about like elimination and stuff like that. I think the finale tomorrow what are you saying. Could you will the women off. Believe no no no no no no that is not equal. Blend hits women. They're just not funny. No goddamn it redirects shirt. From brahms we That's the best way. Scream insane when i asked that it's also things are shit right now. Bronze makes everything better. Okay i love ice cream. it's good stuff My mom used to work there. She was putting herself through college in raising me. And my sister in was also working at brahms. Oh does she know you hate women. Would you do that. Essence she says she used to bring me home can of root beer. From brahms up every shifts. And i have like dislike. That connection with the rear and i was driving through Part of texas where there was only one of the last brahms's in texas. Is there look somewhere near waco. And my girlfriend and i were there. Oh we should go so. I could go get rupert because i love the root beer and i got the last two liter bottle because of the old lady was like. They're phased that out bringing in the ws now in w trash faulk know not in w sorry muggy trash manuka you open it. And it is immediately decarbonising. Syrupy raw brag marks birth. the best had an abuser. Like a and louisiana besides making beer. They also make root beer. How do you feel about. It'd be okay okay. that's fair. I like the bottle when i was a kid. I love the bottles trying to beat a ryan sometime. Yeah it's amazing. Try beer very. I went through a period of time. Where i was mixing root beer and crown royal and drinking that i call it is fucking delicious so good i to have that in college all the time. Yeah that was such calls drink. I've never mixed root beer with an uncle before royal kyle. I'm thinking i'm sure that either Before well listen next podcasts. Were all together gusts. I think we know what to do. We can drink ranks alica. I'm like a gin tequila person. Yeah but like root beer. I think the camera will just adds to the flavor of the beer. It doesn't make it taste different good. I've had friends who like crown royal and it just never looked appealing and they will also always get the apple flavored ones dude. Any flavored alcohol like birthday cake. Vodka great is pretty good. What sorry flashback. I just like astro projected to like. I like nine nine of my friends. All vomiting around one toilet. Because you're drinking birthday keep flavored. Uv or pentecost. Remember one nine in college. I had a bottle of ram. And i was like. I'm going to finish this rauma. I'm a pirate and fucking blew chunks. The whole night. One time. I was much much younger. Must have been twenty two twenty three. I had a place down off a riverside that i lived at and i had a big party. Which people before. Richie at a bunch of friends over at the call center that i worked with and one of them came over this dude who was like a big drinker and he showed up him and his roommate showed up and they each had a suitcase. Milwaukee's best beer. Yeah twenty four beers like the hardboard. A twenty four pack of they showed up the each drank respective suitcases. No they showed up each with a bottle of jack daniels is. That's what they showed up with. I was like why. Did you bring bala jack and my my my coworkers like i never drink jack at once before and my roommate said he had neither so. We both decided. We're going to try it. They both drank the entire bottle of jack each at my place. Then they're like oh we're gonna be right back. Someone drove down to albertsons. That used to be off their riverside. Then the each about a suitcase of milwaukee's best and they came back each with a suitcase and started drinking beers and like they took off before it got bad hooley. Yeah those guys. Are alcoholics way to gel for one person. Give me like fuck in like two sips off of that. One bottle of check i'd be done i'd be like i'm lipsey. I still love the honey. Won the honey. James so good. It's soga isn't me trash but the so good. I haven't drank really much at all this past year to see the fucking quarantine like i in vaccines were a thing. And he was like a hit. May i felt comfortable enough. And i had vaccinated group of friends so we did like a little birthday because my birthday aligned with few other people's birthdays so he felt safe. We did this little. Hang out. And i just couldn't drink because i was just like i just got fucked up immediately lowest tolerance now. It's i mean it's good for that reason but also now anytime i do drink which has been like on a podcast here and there and like i think one or two social gatherings in the last few months i feel like shit really like shit and i'm like i don't know if i like drinking i've really stopped for the most i think in the last year last september. I really really stopped. I think in the last year. I've maybe had four drinks. Yeah maybe five like as drink chester but used to be me. I'd twenty-seven again. The trick that i found is is b twelve was helpless digests. There's a vitamin that you can take before while you're drinking in the morning after it has a lot. I think i'll just being hydrated. I do a glass of water for every two alcohol smart by role in college fairs and you probably never hung over your constantly pissing pissing so much it never hung though. Never get hung. That's right it's all about water so hydrated people just knew that it was drink every two to three drinks glass of water. You're good to go. you're gonna be paying constantly anyway constantly rather p a thousand times this week over. Yes yes thousand times a hundred times each of you not going to remember. I know someone who would did after they get drunk. They'd make themselves throw up in the mid. Eat breakfast that night to do that. How does that make. I don't know she seemed. Moshi was hung over at the worst at the peak. My worst drinking in my early twenty s i would i would force myself to vomit still intact because i feel like all that acid and vomiting. You'd have to analyze. Don't do not do that by the way it doesn't hurt anything in your blood or terrible approach to something that you shouldn't have eaten. Don't ever make yourself. it never helps anything. Yes your body will do it for you if it has to come out. Also the league gasol by people who really Leap pedialyte the next family. You know just going to have water. Why would i do that. Pd it's like for babies if they're hydrate dome drinking shit mvp pedialyte it. Does i think it does absorbed into your bloodstream. More quickly than just about the electrolytes doesn't smart water have electrolytes. I think it does have some water. Shit i'm on appeal this. Yeah so all those. Like i don't know i like had like a really bad pd experience. It wasn't me someone else during pedialyte while they were still drunk at the behest of someone else and then through all the pd that would that would turn you off of it to the next thing is just like you know that's like for the day after you're not supposed to while you're blackout drunk. Drink half a container. Orange pedialyte kaneko. I wonder if they made like. I wonder if someone's made of cotton cocktail. Yes someone else. You kia guarantees. You'll probably a has. The fda approved rebel vodka sauce. Like because that hasn't been good funny You know approved certain. Things hasn't been approved by the fda has fda ever should red bull and vodka. Got i don't know logo. We're all together. But i don't think i've ever had. I can't drink red bull now. I love to drink the oh speaking. Just got another fucking confirmation about a doctor's appointment this is the second text is not for them today. Not for six more months. Why they're doing this to me. He said energy drinks. I don't know if you've heard me and barbara talking before you know how we can do that. Thing where we get points for like our health insurance shit so nobody knows about that ciller before catholic and you do like dumb shit they give you points and you can redeem it for up to five hundred dollars gift cards. One hundred and fifty dollars amazon gift cards last year for what for where we might walk. Yeah watch four hundred dollars gift cards less. I'm almost at the limit to get the five hundred. What measures like if you did steps or if you work out and it's like oh converts your activity and yet dolls. Sometimes you just have to watch videos about your like it'll be like do you wanna learn about your ffa and you can just do that. They'll give you a hundred points which is like ten dollars. Cool is this is. This is some fucking anyway in. Yeah i know game. They have all of my. Don't care got amazon gift. Cards to give to daddy basis. And that's all that matters on amazon. If you want you visa gift card you can do. Abm bees do a starbucks. Zimmer zimmer-biomet yeah anyway so. I've been doing this one of the things you can do is go to a place where they just take your blood until you that your piece of shit And it gives you a thousand points. So i did that and everything was great all green all perfect cross the board perfectly healthy blood pressure in his in the red. And i'm like lots to high way too high as like. Oh that's weird. I'm very young. I got kinda worried because like my dad has hypertension But then i remembered that. I have to take admiral everyday but also drink a lotta coffee and that's probably not the best thing to be doing province so i'm going to have to stop one of those eventually or just less of how. How much about balanced right caffeine. We drink in a day. One g fuel is three hundred milligrams of caffeine and it's delicious. I finish it. But i can with me which is three hundred milligrams. I only ever drink half and half today. What's in a cold brew. Though one fifty a cup of coffee typically eight to nine and then cold usually one fifty to two hundred depending on the size of the which. If you're having one of those a day that's probably fine. yeah. I wouldn't recommend to those a day. Where do you find caffeine normally. It says it in big letters on like the side but yeah Apparently oh yeah it's rubik right there. Two hundred twenty thousand coming in. Yeah two hundred and twenty five milligrams or you're gonna go to bed tonight bad. Yeah this is this. What is like two and a half coffees. It's like. I was a cup of coffee. Is like eighty or ninety. It's eighty tonight. it's i mean. Hey you're going to get a real good real good already listed this morning do it again. Lawson cardio sure dance party. Her blood just dance iphone dutch bunch of treat today so i need to take him in front long. Walk there you go. You're going to have the energy to do that. With two hundred and twenty five milligrams of caffeine coursing through your blood. Someone a little little video with dutch where we give him treats for solving internet arguments. Yes interesting choices in. Bold moves made some very interesting choice. I can't believe vaccines but you know dr. I'm just getting my douglas. Vaccines you should too go. Get your vaccine please. Yeah i wanna go see dune in theaters. And i also don't want people to die but i mostly just mostly it's about that timothy Don't fuck this up for your yes. He's treatments and did shawny dude in the guy. Fucking duke leto. Zoster isaac the guy. Duncan idaho jason. Momoa okay they got. They got the whole cast. Everyone's in that movie. And it's gonna be mazing. And i want to go see it in theater at the max. Get your vaccine. One hundred and seventy dollars. Amazon gift cards last year from it. Yeah but at the cost of like some corporation knowing. Here's the thing i'm not important. Mantle to matter. Yeah the the new. They'll do not think that that's weird that your medical company should i did. It's a weird. I personally don't care because what are they gonna do. I mean this coming from a guy that did like twenty three me but it just seems that. She says he seems weird something about. That's just like weird. Someone accompany knowing all your medical information. Now it's just like you being paid to than sending your blood to get your blood. She got essential to the quest diagnostic with does give you a thousand points Blood equals one. Thousand points questions have to do that. I haven't done. All i did was where my watch and it knows how much i walk break that i did it because i wanted to get a two hundred dollars gift card so i could get an airbnb with my girlfriend jason. Mcm you're wrong dunes. Going be amazing Pile then evil new. He's never let me down pile. I are you don't have to just saying the options there. If you want to lend you the book by the way it should probably see picking up door about going to the doctor and going places to get it for that. You'd have to delete extra trackers and if you if there's an app within also log it manually. Okay so if you don't have it man but watch like me right now. I walked thirteen miles today. This episode of the podcast. Brought to you. 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It still exists. yeah otherwise man. I i got a palette of the woma fruits fucking walter food labor. That's like something really strange. I got the sonic the hedgehog chile. I'm sorry l. e. dot the head hog chili dogs lever. Is it tastes. Like she doesn't mean you'll hedgehog. It's liquid yes not just hotdog. Chili is a good. Sonic the hedgehog you see. Is it good. I see i did the pre order bundle and they send you a tub of petering to go with. Is that to mask the flavor of it being the you spent forty five dollars and something that you couldn't physically finish but i am planning doing is using cooking spice. Okay so tick-tock look out for that. Speaking of overprice stuff was it. You who told me that disney star wars motel seven thousand dollars eighty so fucking much money so if disney. If you're watching this please send me there. I'll do all the influence or bullshit. All your pill send you his medical data. Yeah i'll i will star wars thing. I'll actually do that. I'll do that exchange for one night in a hotel hook that a seattle. Don't talk to daddy disney even though we're not owned by them father all right so my real. Yeah it's crazy expensive. It's like. I was really hyped about. I was real excited. Then you told me much always like nope. Yeah it's not gonna. It's like. I can't even wrap my head around what it's gonna be like you know. Yeah 'cause it's actually go to space now after seven k. I should be doing that. Fucking airplane thing where the Up and you experience zero gs for thirty seconds. Do you get closed there. That's what i'm saying if you give me like a fool if you gave me a full jeopardize outfit or not service full outfit full. Will you cut my hair. Gimme a rat. Tail like one like then. Yeah sure. i'll give you four thousand if i get to if i get to do a. Vr experience for the entire time. That i am there. I mean walking down the hallway so it looks like i am literally inside the star wars. And there's never an immersion broken than sharia four k. Otherwise mis soriano's like. How immersive isn't is like. I want to know about like what the clothing is like. Or if you have to bring your own shit say like all the windows actually outside like it. Looks like you're in space your labor jackson's entirely but also tyler sent me the cost of we split a room to guests per You say split. Four cabins into cabins. I think so too guests per cabin high voyage it breaks per night. i'm thinking the total okay to void. Total forty eight hundred dollars for s for two nights for two tuesday nights. Oh that means it's it's twenty four hundred ninety nine percents of rent for nights but i'm saying it's seven thousand dollars. Five thousand guests per cabin is seven forty nine per guest which works out to six thousand dollars. Fifteen hundred dollars per person. If you put four people in an interesting when asked if i think i've spent seven thousand dollars stores in my total will do in my life. Absolutely yeah. I don't know that we'll blade. Yes yeah when you think you've spent the most money on what one cumulative thing other than like a house or a car. I really choose new video game video games interesting attack. I spent a lot of money on tech. Yeah yeah spent a mantra money. And but i think in my lifetime probably clothes just because like i've always loved fashion growing up and so like i can never bring myself to spend money on clothes. I used to buy a lot more close. Maybe the move. You know the podcast and the they made the still your look name and it was like i found your shoes sausages. Something's right now getting ads for them. And i'm like look birds on got today off. Shit i just had. What if what if on the star wars thing. It's so immersive and so amazing that the rest of your life. Just fucking sucks. Can you get off the plane thing. That's not hard but westworld it's like this is the closest we're going to get to westworld so far so far it'd be pretty cool though like to me. That's an experience that if that means that that's something you really wanna do and meet something like it's worth the cost if you could afford it of course like if it's something you wanna spend experiencing. I'm not saying it's obviously wanna be a smuggler and just like bone on the millennium falcon or something that we just want to be hansel. It's a lot of money though for room. What's more than that right anytime. I see these like sweets or rooms. 'cause i watch a lot of travel blogs and things like that living vicariously exactly. Yeah and like sometimes people will be like the like. The biggest suite is like ten thousand dollars a night or chris dawn. I'm like who just slip. This is crazy remember. We went to pax east years ago and we got the presidential suite the intercontinental to drive in the van from new york to boston. They made it up to you guys letting us and the president of the airline's fault so we got to the hotel and it was like they were sold out a room so like there was a problem with the rooms so one of the rooms we were supposed to have wasn't available so like all right we'll just give you the presidential suite as one of the rooms and undertake taking. We had all the keys. And i didn't want to just take it so like everyone who was like. Listen we all go up and look at the sweet and if someone wants it they can have it and we all went up and looked at it and it became a thing of. Nobody wanted to stay there because there was matt had it had their table in it would like twelve shares all around it. It had a kitchen. It had a separate room in office zoo much so there was the let me get straight. You had several rooms and in one of them was like the executives. 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You van to them all of us in our luggage and then dry from new york to boston and we ended up getting a boston like at eleven pm. I remember new wasn't in the van because when we were pulled up to the hotel standing out there like oh hey what are you guys doing. Did you just say you motherfucker. You don't know who you've been through a great time a little road trip. We got shamrock. Shane somewhere in the middle of nowhere. To mcdonald's. We got milkshakes even though it was the coldest shit up the comments or saying this. But i'm pretty sure that that's also that's the room where like a mafia hit went down or some fully. Oh probably there's been a shift to the questions about your shirt really. Yeah this is a this is a cloak. Co l. a. k. Good brain of clothing. It's very fun i was. You know ask you after. But i'm glad to chat yes clock. There's there's a comment on this earlier. There's a bunch of like they have like facial. Bandaids like i needed. Maybe kill him. Have some more insight into this. What is we're talking about how there's this trend with specifically gen z. I think to have like a little bandage across the nose. I believe enemy anime. 'cause they're clear not for sinuses. No it's just like. Why did nellie wear band aid on his face. I think it's kind of cute at get your nose. I think like a smaller appearance. And so it's like a cute strip instead. You can breathe better funeral man like me. Like look at hip. I used to wear those football in a breather issue. Yeah why to breathe right. Yeah i should get one of those football. Yeah not very well though what Gonna know about this question. You really care about you really want to know. i just want you to say titan. What was your position. It was like center tackle defense. That's offense lineman big boy. That was my dad's often suleiman coach k. So i wanted to play for him. Because i moved schools just so that i could coach moving the fucking school leaving all my friends. I better get coach by your dad. Like get your dad free to me but it worked out. I got time with my dad. And i made friends in various places. I don't i don't regret it. That's fine your friends are low places fine if you had to get who else on. This podcast also played football in high school. Who would you think is the answer you. What was your position. I was just defense. We didn't really have like decisions yet. We it was girls touch football. Okay and so. I had like a specific kind of near the frontline. Yeah because i was tall. So i could like intercept a lot. Okay bye played for two to three years ago. Four downs no punting. It's really weird. It's a little real little committee for sports. Actually i'm sorry you do sports us. I used to play baseball baseball. Second base second base. Does everybody have to bet or their bothered. Unless yeah i want us to bet. Okay that was. I was at that. I did track and i injured myself for the season servant. Which like running. yeah. I did pull ended. The long jets cool injured myself and training doing neither of those running a for a warm up and i wasn't paying it. You know you get so tired kind of closure as you're running so you don't see how far it is stepped off the track and i busted my ankle. All the thing wolf. I was gonna ask. What's the most athletic thing you've ever done like ever. All of you pretty hard. Yeah he's able to get over the fucking thing terrifying. It's real heart is upset. It's it's upsettingly scary. Yeah because it's like you got this if you don't you all night on the ground if you don't if you don't hit the whole thing down you can just fuck you're coming down. I fine because the poll falls away from on the other side. Like what don't fall right. You're just like ted diving. Yeah pat. He's hit ground. Yeah it sucks darshana around says they never knew bar played football me neither. I put it in the wicky. Four different sports. I played basketball for six years. He's so sporty. I used to be. And most i mean probably just the different sports i would play like especially the single most thing you can think of. This was a in the seventh grade. We had a basketball tournament and there was one school. We played where. I don't know what it was. I literally my team would give me the ball. And i would do the exact same play over and i would score. Got like forty or fifty point. That's insane because they just like nobody would ever block me and they would just like go back to where they were seventh grade. Select still pretty impressive. Also one in chat said No theater kids just a bunch of sports shaggy theater. I was the president of the anime club and i played the violence. Did my wasn't no friend. One act play. he's play. that's all that's all the cool drama kid. So i didn't wanna do plan. It's just that the the theater coach what you call them right director interacting teacher. He he could not find any guys who wanna do theater in the town. I grew up in and they couldn't find anyone who wants to perform with you spectacular. Also my my speech coach. When i would do like competitive speech stuff. And he's like listen. I know you don't want to do this. But can you please just play like we just need some guys to fill out the roster. We need like three guys and if you guys if you all could do it it would really mean a lot. Whatever we'll do it for fun thought that what's the difference between speech and debate. Debate is typically like a team and you get a topic very structured back and forth so like speech. I would do persuasive speaking courts like for this type of speech competition. You would randomly assigned topic. Then you have thirty minutes pair. Seven minute speech then you had to take a position on it and you have to deliver seven minute. Speech tires fucking horrified so night. But i learned how to talk out of my ass. And that's why. I feel like i can podcast because you gotta you gotta give me something and say. Just start talking. I can just start talking about something. Okay let's see me and my dad are like that in the same way where i can talk to anyone about anything. It doesn't matter if i know about it or not. That's great that's a great quality to have especially for podcastone would be good speech people because they just fucking talk yeah in shadow to so and so for the five dollars or whatever the hell i mean at least when you're streaming you have chat and tracked within the game talk about. Yeah so can quickly look for something to back up to their difficulty. Yeah i think that's something that a lot of people underestimate how hard it is to when you're by yourself farming to like keep up conversation or light entertaining so like i'm so impressed by anyone who streams on a regular basis. I'm just like. I don't know how you like. Have that much to sail the time. It could still be entertaining and like pay attention to the game. Pay attention to chat. Pay attention all these ageing about it all the one time where i was doing portal to on our tv for a few weekends in a row keeps harvard So fun though. But like i remember being like okay. I'm sorry guys. I'm gonna have to ignore you for a second. I'm focusing on figuring out this level. And i'm like how do people do this. I don't understand how people do portal. I have none spatial awareness. I cannot visualize things in the through. these fears. gonna pitch them to you. Know we have a series called hard mode. Okay you and me. I'm going to disappoint you. We'll see how we could do. Let's play got that cable for. Yeah never did never happened like immediately after the painting happened in this way us. Yeah my class. Charlotte also has a class. Who w you. We play population one. I don't know what that is with us. It's it's it's like it's like pudgy. Go on but in. Vr puppy pudgy and vr puppies. Plano battlegrounds okay. Okay yeah it's a battle royal. Yeah i wanna play. That sounds like a nice. Let's do it know you guys go for it. I will say when you said what's the most when you spent i was like is it. Vr have so which vr might be our legal. I spent a lot of money of. You're it's so good it's like it's like it's like receding no it's not it's not it when the quest came out that was like i was fucking tyree was peak in the quest came out and it was like after facebook bought it kind of sucked war and then now i'm just waiting to see. I think the atc wireless was gonna come out like seven hundred bucks book. You don't you. Don't i. bought my momma quest and for christmas. And i was so upset because i specifically bother one so you wouldn't have to connect the facebook but you can't make oculus account anymore you have to sign you. Sign interference phasing out the twenty twenty two. I think it was like march the a big indicators. I noticed that the void. If you've been to the void they closed down like right when the pandemic they're like we're out of business i think is that the vr the star wars experience in fucking blew my panel. It was so refined now. They're still lost. He's still not wearing the boys in the void. You can't see if he's wearing pants. Kenya did you guys ever tried the void star wars stuff. It's dude it's a bummer. That in the south 'cause they teamed up with like island and a bunch of other stuff and they basically like had this whole last experience where they had a set built that it was also like you know in your vr thing you reached out like this isn't real. Yeah that's the lever. That i can see the shooting stormtroopers like it's like blowing hot air. You because you're on mustafar and your like pants gone on my We did the pitch for oculus a couple years ago with achievement. Hunter and i remember my initial idea got scrapped. Because they said it was too dangerous for the cast. Or whatever. But i wanted to do is like we rent. We rent out that stage where they're always doing she to whatever whatever and we six in we build out like a bunch of the rooms in lake super hot or something and then have them late cool. Yeah we have them play it like like erlich or like some kind of gave the complete like envy are but then also the room is built to the same dimensions because you have to lake. Do the room barrier. So you can. You can do it to the exact and it can scale with pastor but they said there was a liability legally untenable for like all the stuff. I really wanted to do immersion where we played just a battle row in that place would have been the perfect out for it and just kind of like whatever but a i want to get one hundred roose chief people. That'd be sick discovery. In warner make him kith. I'm just saying gene. We did immersion on discovery. Possibility in future ono's me billows do it You'll i miss. Md back that got expensive. it was expensive. is there cheaper version. We could make all social yes on social yes art so hard for me to take it from like what. It was like a pair. I don't know i'm i'm sorry. Yes and we can do it on newstalk. Well you need anything. Believe that way. I believe i can fly. Yeah can nobody likes him. Dv though no one like that at all no one is going to a half behind. No one saying anything about it. I guess really likes it. It finally did it. I finally signed up to take pilot lessons. Got my first lesson this week later. Oh fun where where do you take off the magic private airport. The airport like awesome talking or find the place of lists from. They said you have two options. You can either do executive airport which is a private airport. Offer one. when thirty or austin bergstrom austin bergstrom. I mean to say that you did it absolutely. So you're cessna. I have a prediction. The whatever structure you have is going to be so impressed by how much you already no. No no i'm gonna fuck it wrong. I think but i think they're going to. Because i'm sure the average person who goes and for flying lessons pulling knows a good amount. But like i feel like you out of all people know more about airplanes and like you have a flight simulator and all this stuff nervous. I don't wanna fuck it up. I think they're going to be impressively driving. But in the sky don't what day in time specifically that way. I can text you after a going. Oh i'll send you. The app used to track planes. So you can see it. Ten thousand nine thousand eight thousand so out of the sky on your first late. On the first time illegally you drive like contract with an instructor does most of the flying and then at one point have take the controls. I don't mean to derail this. Have you ever seen the film deadly mile high club looking up now. Hey can i. Which camera can directly read like this one. If you're at home right now when the podcast is over please look up deadly mile high club. It is the best lifetime movie i've ever seen. Is the most ridiculous film. Can i get that has ever existed. Please i beg. It can read it to you. Doug deadly mile high club matching. It's a it's a if it's lifetime It's a couple that meets on an airplane. They fall in love but Something happens on the airplane. Perhaps like Like people try to take over and they have this thing that they need to conquer in order to land in kyrie on their together. No you can. I want me to read the official description for pulled. It up is obsessed with a handsome student. A deranged flight instructor tries to destroy the people in his life and make him fall in love with her. Why okay gusts with okay. So here's the thing. I'm gonna give you like the first thirty minutes of this movie. So it opens up and it is. It is a man and woman there in a plane. Everything shaking flew into a storm. And there's just like baby. I'm sorry. I thought we could run that store. And she's like it's okay. Baby had no way of knowing. Okay everything's fine and then social going. Obviously they crash. It's a lifetime movie and then there's just you hear beep. Woman wakes up in the hospital face covered blood lexi not even a little bit of blood a little bit of puffy which is amazing for having been in an literal plane crash in my husband make it literally. Nurse comes into the comes into the room. This woman has just woken up from what i assume as a coma. And she's jacker wherever the fuck. His name is and the worst bedside manners. I've ever seen on the television nurse. Oh he died and then they do a tight too tight on her face as like a single tier like no a smash cuts to like my like california bright lights in the music up up up. And i'm like whoa. That was a big westbound rollers asleep. And it's just like this dude who just fucking shit working at like a window treatment that his mother in law owns and she's got the new york accident for some reason he's just like some shit that she hired because because she's because he's married to her daughter whatever but he's got nothing going on in life and he's like the actor is like imagine if you ask the peaceful white copier paper to act. That's the amount of charisma he is bringing to this role that this guy who's just like one day he's just like he just sees up basically sees a flyer and he's like i wanna be a pilot so he goes to his wife and he's just like a dream my whole life to be a pilot. I'm going to take flying lessons and she's like jack. We don't have any money for you to take pilot lessons news. Like william a pilot. I can fly to hawaii. And she's like okay in that case lessons in its in its. It's being taught two months after the accident by the way by the woman in the plan. Two months she's teaching pilots. She's back up in the sky care in the world and this dude walks in and she flashbacks to her husband because they do not look like they look nothing alike but they have the same name and she's convinced her soul that he's her husband reincarnated everything goes to shit. It is the best movie g. i just wanted to watch so that he could pick apart the incorrect things. I also guarantee that the airplane that the using a crash off of the airplane they use the rest of the movie because they got that one. Airplane fucking is my favorite is a the deal. When he's in class to do a breakdown of like things you can find an airplane and one is like aid kit and opened the first aid kit and i shit you not is bandaids i. Profit and core form sure stayed in the first kid and they do a tight on that core form for like two seconds to checkoffs chlorof- because hey it's gonna come in handy later so the so there's a scene obviously she's trying to take out everyone in his life. That's getting in the way of them. Take them out so basically spoilers. Skip ahead if you wanna hear this. You're not going to watch this movie. You have to pay for it. I don't want to right now. I've bought this me and my girlfriend have paid for this movie three times in their relationship. I'll have to watch it. Yeah no we are literally. There's a scene where she's like all right. I took everyone out and gotta get the wife. Now i guess and she goes to the white house knocks on the door here. There's a package for. And then just because the poor form was important and she puts her in a comically large wooden box. The bucks itself has to be two hundred pounds. I don't know how she she puts her in the box. And she's like jake. I have to do something. We have to fly over the ocean in dump this ocean. And he's like. Oh what is it. And she's like. I work with marine biologists. And it's for a study and he's like is it biodegradable. And she's like you're so hot you're so dumb. It doesn't matter so they're in this plan. There's a scene where so his wife smith your body just like in the box. Does this show the interior of passed out as she slow as she slowly. She's passed out sued Flying over the ocean. We're he's fucking around with the bucks nutritionally woodson. This thing kind weird that. It's in the wooden box. How long you been working with the marine biologists. And she's like jake. You're so you're so dumb and they fuck on top of the box. That has his unconscious. Core formed wife. And i guess veracity also. It's the worst film sex position i've ever seen because it's just like he's just like red hot dog skin and she's on top. It's six foot box. Saw that even work on the fucking on the box which i guess wakes up the wife and she starts like beating on the box like what is that. She's like jake. It's nothing s- thurlow woodson there. This dolphin gives you so. Yeah it's ridiculous movie you should read. There's a goof here on imdb. It must be that that senior. When tonya jake or having sex in the gulfstream she's wearing a black bra moments later. She's back in the cockpit in a light-colored that-that seeing this film so insanely that. That was the least of my worries. Wait so how. What a gulfstream. That's what it said. That's like a pretty big plane right. Yeah you have to have a cargo dry that could push the they simply open the side of it and it open also coach. Who's having sex. She was flying the plane. The plane on autopilot. That's not how it works. Arado pilot smash the women like the the woman who tried to kill she jumps out of a plan and then he's like uses all of his flight knowledge that he has to basically like. I don't know what the point that this was. He was basically swooping her in the gulfstream. Whatever so massively plane it. He's like sweeping or he's getting nowhere. Close she's just like she's following. He's trying to catch her. I don't in the goals. yes on the ground in. it's so dumb. And then i guess she gets arrested or something. I don't know bootleg like she's so much murdered by this point. I'm gonna watch this. It's so funny. Deadly deadly mile high is so fucking down. It's what we need to wrap this. Because i need to go home and watch me. Thanks for watching. What you guys next week but get your vaccines place.

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Episode 71: To Infinity and Beyond - SpaceX, Satellites and Space Techsploration

TechSperience

25:48 min | 1 year ago

Episode 71: To Infinity and Beyond - SpaceX, Satellites and Space Techsploration

"In, case you missed it on May thirtieth SPACEX when we're no other private company has they launched astronauts and their own rocket to the International Space? Station, you may be familiar with SPACEX. CEO and President Yuan Mosque and his mission to bring us to space, or you may not be. We're going to catch you up to speed on. Today's all new episode of what the Heck just happened. Good morning, Robin Tyler. Good Morning Benning Good Morning Penny. How are you? I'm good It is a an exciting day we're GONNA, be talking all about space and space, travel and satellites and space, so we have We've chatted a little bit about in some past episodes around using satellites to create sort of an Internet unbrella in the sky. That would give you know Internet access to people all over the. The Globe and how many satellites it would take to you know. How many satellites does it take to connect the world within or not turns out it's it's quite a few I'm but what? I'd love to do kind of before we even get there because we have some unique perspectives on our podcast group with Rob Tyler, and myself and our different experiences with space travel space programs so rob I. Thought would be a great opportunity for you to maybe share a you know real quickly. Some of the history and experience that you had with NASA and space missions and things like that because you know from your C., you kind of experience a lot of this in real time where tyler I maybe read it more or watched more videos about it so I know space is a super exciting topic for you and you're excited about today's episode. Yeah, it really is so if you remember correctly, we did that. really cool episode on generations, and we got to listen to some of the boomers on their talk, and we talked about the different technology, and how that's changed well space. Space space exploration is a big part of my history and my story as well so if we look at the technology, you know you look back in the sixties so I was born I. Don't mind. Saying was born nineteen sixty two, so as you start looking at some of the pioneers in space and some of the leaders John F. Kennedy made that declaration that we were GonNa go to the moon by the end of the decade that decade in the nineteen sixties nineteen, sixty, four, or nineteen, sixty three, he, he gets assassinated, but the space program is in full launch at that point prior to that. You know you had a lot of the early days of NASA. NASA, so, we were talking about that before we started recording here on one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty seven chuck yeager breaks the sound barrier, which was like crazy and people actually thought that he died when he went up there because they heard the sonic boom, nobody heard the sonic boom before they thought that his plane exploded, and then he comes through it, and so that was that was a really big deal and We were kind of talking about this earlier to the movie the right stuff, so that's about the the famous mercury seven and the Mercury, seven astronauts Chuck Yeager, being part of that actually I don't know if Chuck Yeager was part of that crew I I i. I would have to do a fact. Check on that he might. He might not be part of that crew, but that was you know Gus grissom and I. Don't know them off the top my head, but very interesting. If you guys want to get caught up, that's historically correct Hollywood movie on the Mercury Missions, which was really cool, and then I grew up with the Apollo missions, so it started with Apollo Eight, the most famous one for me anyway is of course. Apollo Eleven Apollo eleven is when they watched as the one that that went to the moon and you know man I walked on the moon, so and the the famous words by Neil Armstrong so. I got to see that as a kid in real time, black and white. TV I was literally taking a nap. At the time. My mom wakes me up and brings me down stairs and wanted to make sure that I watched this now, leading up to that being in school, we're talking about space talking about exploration, we're talking about. The Eagle were talking about the launch stages, and all those really cool things that go into into the aeronautics and the the science behind it, and so I remember making a model of the Eagle. And as man was landing on the Moon I've got that model as it's going down, you know it's one of those surreal things where you see it on this black and white TV and it's landing and I'm. They're having my model land at the same time. so that was that was a really big deal for me, and then all the things that just that come out of the space program all the different inventions and stuff that that have come out of the space program, and now you fast forward, and of course it becomes a daily thing that satellites being launched up into space, and now to hear that we have a pioneer that it's. It's not a nationally funded program. It's a privately funded program that's launching these satellites, but more importantly launching people into space. That's privately funded. That's huge. It's fascinating I it's. This is you know everyone can't know everything obviously what's going on in. We say it all the time. This is really unprecedented times. There's so much going on in the world, but there were probably still people that don't realize that this mission was done by a private company. They assume you know. astronauts are going into space and they must. It must have been built by the by the US government, but the says really so groundbreaking that we have the. We've talked about it before. The the crossover of the public and the private sector, and really the public sector, taking advantage of what the private sector can do and Elon Musk. You talk so much about you know space travel and getting actual I think like you said they're looking to build a rocket capable of carrying as many as one hundred people into a low earth orbit, and that's like Richard Branson to I. Think has always talked about space travel so you how Electrica or something like that? That's his initiative. It's and it sounds so far fetched. I think still to to. A lot of us but it, it's fascinating that we're seeing the private sector really showcase their capabilities, and and take us off the earth. Do you think that that will cause us to do that further Do you think that because of this? Do you think more private sector companies will work with with the public sector to to kind of see we did this? Oh, I definitely see that happening now, and it's just like anything else You know as soon as the first person does. Does Roger, bannister breaks the the four minute mile, and and they said that couldn't be done prior to that, and then all of a sudden he breaks it and now everybody breaks the four minute mile shortly thereafter, and I think that this is you know kind of breaking the seal. If you WANNA, call that I think that Elon Musk broke the seal and I think there's going to be other privately funded corporations going. Hey, we can do this as a Lotta Room in in this. No Pun intended, but in this space. So soon crazy! Especially when you start seeing a business model behind it that that makes money than everybody's GonNa Start Chiming in on it i. just think the crazy thing to like looking at their space x website they WANNA have cruise to Mars in twenty twenty four right? That's four years away. Yeah, well, look. He's done in like six years. Not so there's an it's Elon Musk, so I I have no doubt in my mind that that's going to happen right and the his technology is always so. Kind, of funny. You almost wonder if like I'm going to be really out there for just one second almost makes you wonder if you lawn Moscow. From another world. Because his look what he's done with Tesla, and there's no one like nipping at his heels to create the competitor for Tesla I'm sure there's people that are out there. Trying and our testing and things like that, but. He himself and his ideas and his brain, and the way he thinks just seems already so futuristic compared to. You know a lot of the average people said, or he's a marketing genius to I mean. Did you see him with the I? Mean he he? He had them drive over with with his Tesla's like He. He's even getting. He's even promoting his tesla business while bringing his astronauts over to launch in his space program, he's he's definitely an innovator for sure, but the you know the the space thing is so cool and obviously you know when we looked. Looked at you know, the moon landing a lot of it and again this is all just coming from me, not being there firsthand to experience it, but it was kind of about being the first, it was You know having the capability having you know making a very trying to think of the word, but public declaration that we were there I, and and and a super exciting time but we haven't really done any exploration or That or we didn't put anything you know on the moon that was like going to catapult us in advance and advance our technology, and when we look at what you on musk is doing, it's not just about getting to space. It's not just about exploring space. How can we use space to actually improve technology on earth and that's where the satellites come in, and like I mentioned in the beginning. We've talked a little. Little bit about this, where satellites are able to connect to one another and create an internet connectivity, and when we look at the potential for what spacex is doing, this could and I believe that there's a significant amount of funding from the federal government on the line for this in the tune to the tune of I think about sixteen billion dollars to build out a satellite program that delivers Internet across the Globe and. That seems so. That seems so tangible to us right like that just seems like Oh okay I can go anywhere in my Internet's working, but it's coming from space and I don't think anyone actually thought that way. When they thought they'd have Internet everywhere, they figured it. Would you know we'd have Wifi? Signals on everything all over the place. So that's what I. I think is really exciting. Is that the functionality of space travel now? Versus maybe the exploration and declaration that we were in spaces of space travel of yesteryears. Is That Fair Rob? I mean I wasn't an obviously around, but yeah, no, no I think that's absolutely fair and I know. We had started conversations like a decade ago and they started talking about. Internet connectivity through satellites and like. Could you and everybody was? Can you imagine if that were to happen? That would revolutionize, and now here we are on the forefront of that where that that's actually going to become a reality and Yeah, so again you have somebody like an eel on must that's taking that that innovation and he's taking that foresight, and he's bringing it to fruition here with this I, it's it's it's. It's fascinating to me. I I want to step back. Yeah I want to tell you some interesting facts about satellites. Please do yeah just so we can kinda put it. Put things into perspective here too especially how it ties into what on Moscow's doing so they? You know they talk about how fast satellites move they move at eighteen thousand miles an hour. which allows them to orbit the Earth Fourteen Times. Times a day. You know so if you look at that again, if if you can't keep in mind what we're doing what we're going to be doing with with Internet, connectivity and satellites that plays a huge part in it. satellites have better fuel efficiency than some of the the smallest most efficient cars and I think they were equating it to having better efficiency than the Prius. there are yeah. There are two satellites in orbit around Earth chasing each other NASA. Has Them Tracking Gravitational anomalies? NASA has nicknamed them ready Tom and Jerry. Everybody. Know who tom and Jerry is ideal, I do I don I know. Satellites, not destroy are not destroyed by meteorites because their program to avoid them. Imagine that let's see. Pictures are taken at high resolution and have been. Identified more than have identified more than thirty one hundred Egyptian settlements, Seventeen Pyramids in one thousand tombs, so pictures at high resolution from satellites can find these things on earth so injury. You know that whole that whole Spi type thing it's. Not Science Fiction Let's see I'm trying to see some of these this. There's a lot of them in here I'm going to try to get to some of the other cool ones. Let's satellites can be placed into low earth orbit medium, Earth orbit or High Earth Orbit I, think a lot of folks maeve already known that satellites typically have mission length of three to four years after the time is up, the satellite will either be re orbited kept in its current orbit or sent to a graveyard above to see satellite graveyard. I wonder what the do you have in your information? They're like what the average lifespan span of a satellite is well. I think that's that's saying that like three to four years three. I'm sorry I'm sorry. Okay three to four years. Wow, that seems. Quick Oh i. know it does especially for the millions millions of dollars. Building Yeah Yeah. I guess that's what I'm thinking, but if you're building something from for space, the. Environment's a bit tougher up in space is here I? Hear you just a little bit. The few facts I think there's a there's a lot more there, but I just thought I'd tell you that to give you a little bit of perspective now. That's really cool, and I you know we talk about We're talking about the satellites connecting for Internet. A An aspirational goal, but just to kind of let everyone know how real this is right now, so spacex says that they need Starlink is the name of their satellites that and really I. Think is going to be the name of their Internet service because think about it. That's why we all have Internet service from provider right now it's it's a verizon or I was GONNA. Say Senator, but they really are on the backbone of Verizon. and and other Internet companies that we know of now and SPACEX with their starling service be the next so they need four hundred satellites to provide minor coverage and eight hundred for moderate coverage, and they're looking to have their initial sounds really cool their initial Starlink Mega Constellation of twelve thousand satellites so right now they have five hundred forty satellites that are up and running, which is enough satellites to actually invite Beta testers to use the service. there's a public Beta test and they actually send you an email when you sign up for the Beta and I don't know if we could try to experiment with US I. Don't know if we're like in the exclusive club public Beta. Testers but You really. It's one of those generational things, isn't it? But you, they actually send you an email confirming that you're a Beta tester and you know they are asking for your Zip Code, and so this is very real. This is not a this is no longer a futuristic thing and so tyler. When you say that you know we're going to be looking to be on Mars and a few years a few years now like the equivalent of twenty years. You know a century ago or even less than look at the nineteen sixties. Kind of how fast we we've grown technologically since then so four year a lot can happen in four years as you know a lot. Months and we have more technology in our cars right now than than they did our even our phones I think than they did on the initial rockets going up to the moon in the. Is it well. They said to believe I don't know if anybody remembers the Commodore Sixty Four. Does it was one of the first PC computers out there so it. It was very basic, and they said that the Apollo Eleven landed on the moon. With the computer power of less than the commodore sixty four so. Yeah, it's a pretty crazy to think about Yeah it does make you wonder, and then just how rapidly things are moving now so. A real quick history of like where we were and where we are now, so they were saying nineteen, fifty seven, we had the first man made object that went into space, nine, hundred, sixty one first man in space Russians a nine hundred and sixty three first woman in space Russians. And then. Yeah and then nineteen, sixty nine for humans on the Moon America. Nineteen seventy-one first landing on Mars which I thought was was interesting, so I believe that was the Mars Rover I. Don't re- realize was that long ago. is that the Mars Rover and seventy one. Right I mean yeah I'm pretty sure so I'll keep going while you're looking that up. Nineteen eighty three I spacecraft that went beyond Pluto which back then I think still a planet now, not a planet. Nineteen ninety, the Hubble Space Telescope was launched, so we've only had the huddle up there since nine hundred ninety. Nine thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight. The International Space Station. And then two thousand and five, you had the a land on one of Saturn's moons I believe that was Titan. Two thousand twelve is when voyager one and the the the. Interstellar, space voyager one went beyond our galaxy basically into interstellar space two thousand, fourteen I prob- land on a comet. I thought that was real. How does that even happen I? Don I was just? That is like a feat in itself, I mean just think about how this is why they call it rocket science by the way. Craft. And it is, it's IT'S A it. It is truly a science of millimeters. If they're off by like a millimeter in space that equates to thousands of miles, it's wild and then two thousand eighteen probe. A probe to touch the sun I don't know what that means I. Don't know what that means, but in two thousand been it must have been some sort of you can only have things so close gotten must've been. An arm. And so they out, yes, so they were probably just trying to gather data and it was I I'm sure a one way trip. Not Returning. My data stops kind of the info-graphic. I was the info-graphic I was reading from was a credit for is called the Eden Project. And the and they stop at two thousand eighteen, but from nineteen fifty seven to two thousand eighteen, that some pretty big landmarks there, and then now you look at what you on musk is doing in a in a very short amount of time you know taking it from launching although satellites to be in the first privately funded. Mission and then aggressive mission to to get to Mars pretty cool. Yeah, it's. It's super exciting stuff in just a the Mars The rover was nineteen seventy-one on. Thursday. There's a couple of attempts. It sounds like the first couple may be didn't go so well, but they all happen in the same year, so yeah. This is this literally is going to be what I was thinking about it this morning I think it's from Star Trek. There's a quote from. Where no man has gone before something like that or I don't know the final frontier. Let's go. INTO LONG! What. Makes the final frontier. It's an to go where no man has gone before you go rob, see lots. Speaking of quotes, I did like the one you know the actually though I don't I, don't. TREKKIE! And people listening at probably going to be very disappointed there already quoting it come on, and say it you on. Musk's quote was pretty incredible as well I'll read that you're gonNA. Wake up in the morning and think the future is going to be great, and that's what being a space faring civilization is all about. It's all about believing in the future thinking that the future will be better than the past, and I can't think of anything more exciting than going out there and being amongst the stars. That's inspiring. I feel like I need to go. Do something super inspiring now? Yeah, I, gotta I gotTa agree with Elon Musk. I can't imagine what it's like to wake up in first of all. I can't imagine what it's like to wake up in his shoes, just being Elon Musk and having his brain power, but. Being someone okay. Someone that also has is on this this mission to space I gotta be so and I like if you if you've ever listen to any of his interviews or things like that the way he talks about it makes it sound so real so tangible so possible and you kinda get excited for it even if you might be fearing it a little bit just because it is so unknown this is the best part of technology and it I think what to kind of bring it home. We talk about space, and how amazing it is, and what it takes to get to space but a lot of this starts with using a computer and things simple things to to actually make that technology developed at thinker. coded out all of that stuff, so it's funny to think sometimes that the computers we set in front of every day are powering to some of. These are just the tools that are powering space, exploration and things like that, and that is a a really exciting place to be, and I know that connection themselves actually has a few customers in the space satellite world, and that's really exciting that we get to be a part of that with our our customers and really give them the tools that they need to accomplish space travel so you know it kind of. Of makes you feel like you're part of history in a little way, and I think everyone's a little part of history. So this is a really exciting time and I as we kind of will keep everyone posted as you know. Space exploration continues and advancements that we see in the the satellite world and internet connectivity, so I think that's a wrap for today on. Oh, no, no, no, no space, the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship enterprise. It's continuing mission to explore strange new worlds to seek out new life and new civilizations to boldly go where no man has gone, eat for. 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Liftoff 92: Apollo 9

Liftoff

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Liftoff 92: Apollo 9

"In March of nineteen sixty nine just three short months after Apollo eight's history-making trip around the moon. Apollo nine lifted off from the coast of Florida Fernan tiredly different type of mission. Apollo nine task was to test the lunar module in lower orbit flying, this strange new spacecraft that would be tasked with getting astronauts safely to and from the surface of the moon for the very first time. Apollo nine also included America's first to mand spacewalk opening the hatches of the command service module and the lunar module testing. But the hatches and Nasr's latest spacesuit, including the backpack there'd be used on the lunar surface. Remains fifteen fourteen thirteen twelve eleven ten nine. We have ignition sequence start six five four three two one zero all engines running commit. Lipped we have liftoff at eleven AM eastern standard time. We're marketing fiftieth anniversary of each crude Apollo flight starting today with Apollo nine. This episode is brought to you by express VPN and squish base. My name is Jason Snell. And I joined as always by my co host Stephen Hackett Jason how are you? Very good good to be back in an Apollo capsule. A guess who's the third if you have someone silent on your end of the call? Mike Hurley is our silent command module pilot can trust that guy. Now. Let's divan. Yeah. Let's do it. Apollo nine launched on March. Third nineteen sixty nine it was the second. Crude flight to use the full stack Saturn five the big big big big big rocket on board were two spacecraft. The command module named gummed her up and the lunar module named spider. The names came actually from how these two spacecraft look gumdrops when it was shipped to the Cape was in bright, colorful, plastic and they called it gumdrops. And as for spider have you have you seen the lunar module his name? It's good. It is it is this weird spindly thing. We're going to talk a lot more about the the limb later on it is one of the signature aspects of the entire Apollo program opponent, by the way, the first crew since and three who were actually allowed to name their spaceships, and you got gumdrops inspired her out of it. Remember Gus Grissom ruin the party when he named his capsule, Molly Brown after sinking the liberty bell seven capsule. Nasa didn't find that funny. So they took it away. But now here on Apollo nine the, astronauts, I guess have have done their time in naming detention and they can either craft again. All right, come drop. Good gum drop. Here's the crew speaking which who got to name these spacecraft on Apollo nine there were two veterans and one rookie. So the commander of Apollo nine. Was Jim mcdevitt who was an air force pilot. He served in Korea. He was both a fighter pilot and later a test pilot. He joined NASA in nineteen sixty two in. I believe he second round of new astronauts and was the command pilot of Gemini four and a little trivia, first Catholic in space. That's one Jim mcdevitt wins. Bama. Joe pilot was Dave Scott who is also an air force pilot and a test pilot and his background joined NASA in the next. Class nineteen sixty three class of astronauts and flew on Gemini, eight with Neil Armstrong and the allure module. Pilot was rusty Schweickart who was an air force pilot as well three air force gentlemen in this mission. And rusty Schweickart was also for a while a research scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of technology that is pretty cool. So it's definitely solid scientific background there. And like Scott joined NASA in nineteen sixty three but had not flown on one of the Gemini missions before while liftoff went smoothly. Vintage from the s forbe's propel it takes change the orbit of the space craft after the command service module swung around to dock with the lunar module's. Remember, they when they launched them. They're sort of out of order. They gotta swing around to pick it up the litter module at this point is still attached to the top of the rocket's upper stage. So they did a burn to correct the orbit. Yeah. It's tricky tricky when you got to space craft and you actually have to join them together when you're in. Space. This didn't actually affect Apollo nine. But if if the orbit had been wrong, it could have gotten them in if they were going to the moon out of alignment for that TI trans lunar injection, burn. And they're watching all of this as a dress rehearsal for going to the moon. So it's all stuff that they want to watch and test. We spoke about this last time, but there have been delays with the lunar module. So NASA had to kind of rearrange several of these Apollo missions. And once it was decided that Apollo eight would take the command service module around the moon. Dc Slayton aspects mcdevitt and Frank Borman of Apollo eight. Which mission they preferred Borman before the moon and mcdevitt, preferred flying the lunar module. Yeah. This is good management technique on the part of the excitement who you know. I try to think about being a manager of all of these hard-charging astronaut types, and ultimately being the person who decides who the first person to land on the moon is and that's tough job. And I think the way slate and played it was a combination of showing respect for his his pilots and also sort of letting the machine do the work like he tried to build the machine of how the backup crews and the primary crews worked so that in the end would kind of be the result of that system that. Ended up popping out who would be the first person to set foot on the moon, and rather than it be just kind of purely a favoritism more political decision of lecture going to pick the guy, and we'll see how that this this mission following on from Apollo eight actually led to that point. So you might say to yourself. Well, if I'm going to choose between Apollo eight Nepal of nine whether I get to be the first people to go around the moon, or I just kind of hang around in orbit and fly around with the lunar module. Why would you not choose Apollo eight? Apollo nine sounds totally INA 'climactic. There were ticket tape parades for Apollo eight. You probably could've guessed that there would have been sure. But from the perspective of the astronauts Apollo nine had a lot going for it. And the reason mcdevitt preferred the Apollo nine mission. His crew said they preferred it is because they felt like it was a more important mission in terms of laying the foundation for for a moon landing. Whereas. Apollo eight was going to get a lot of public attention. But wasn't testing the incredibly ambitious set of things that they were testing as Andrew shaken described it in his book man on the moon. It was a test pilots feast far more difficult ambitious and in some ways more dangerous than Apollo eight. All of this meant that the training for both Apollo eight and nine basically overlapped and while the ladder, put many hours of work into the limb simulator, the crews often worked in the CSM simulator, basically back to back, and as you know of if you've read any of the stuff or any of the movies. These simulators could cause problems pretty often breaking down delaying the schedule causing frustration at one point mcdevitt, apparently just told his wife that the mission just wasn't ever happening. But thankfully, that was just frustration and not the truth just a low point point in that. So by making these changes and by saying as I said earlier by saying, okay, you guys are gonna go on eight. And then crew your guys are going to go on nine. What that meant was that they changed the backup crews, and they put them in a different sequence than originally when it would have been mcdevitt, screw on eight and the other crew on nine and that meant the backup crews changed which meant the crews of Apollo eleven and twelve changed. And this is what I meant by sort of the machine ending up making it all work because the decision for mcdevitt to go and Apollo nine meant that Pete. Conrad would go in Apollo twelve and it meant that Neil Armstrong. Screw would go in Apollo eleven. And that is probably the clearest answer for. Why was it? Neil Armstrong is just sort of worked out that way when they made the change to Apollo eight and flipped the crews of eight and nine in a way Apollo nine sort of reminds me of Jim and mission. I think it's based on what you said earlier like from the perspective of test pilot. This isn't a credible mission. You get to be the first crew to fly new spacecraft and Jimmy. I was about that, right? Each Jimmy mission had some new ground to break with either new hardware or do processes fly higher than it's ever been before. Basically building the stepping stones to feature missions in. Nasa was never going to land on the moon without flying the limb. I so someone's got to do it. Yeah. Mcdevitt, definitely said at several points during this process, like we're not gonna we're not going to get through all the mission goals, but we're going to try to get as many of them as as we can. And I just spoiler. They got through all the goal. So they did they really kinda nailed it among the goal. So they were gonna put the lamb through a full range of operations that would be necessary to land on the moon returned safely to the command module, waiting lunar orbit. So as you said, Stephen you've got to get to orbit, and you've got to pull them out attached to the CSM, and then you have to be able to separate them and fly them around. And then bring them back. You have two different sets of engines on the lunar module that you have to fire. Apollo ten was. Going to take the limb within fifteen point six kilometers of the lunar surface. But Apollo nine was the one who had to run through every single task that the limb was going to perform exactly that's exactly right. They were going to basically do all the steps needed to make sure the lunar module. Could do what it needed to do? When was at the moon. So this this get started on the third day of the mission, Scott state and command module while his true crewmates traveled through the tunnel to the limb once they're in the hatches were closed the two spacecrafts separated. And the limbs decent thrusters were used to separate the limb from the CSM they flew separately for some nine hours before being rejoined now on day four they took it another level. They're supposed to be a two hour spacewalk and Eva by rusty Schweickart. But he got motion six basic which again as we said on our previous Apollo episode. They didn't. Don't understand because it weren't enough data points that a certain percentage of people just get motion sick and space. And that's just how it is. But so Schweiker got space a little bit. And the feeling was you know, if he's in that environmental suit, and he throws up bad, then it can be fatal. Yeah. It's extremely bad. So they put it off. And it looked like they might need to even cancel portions of the mission, which would have been bad the space balk that they that they put off what attested going from the lunar module back to the command module, the idea there was that if they couldn't talk for some reason, you could just transfer people from one to the other on the outside. So that would be a way to get what if we land on moon and come back, and then we for whatever reason can't get the docking to work. You get your space suits, and you float over to the other spacecraft, but they weren't able to test that instead he suited up with Nesta's again, this new life support backpack and open the hatch on the limb and floated outside while Scott used an older suit standing up with his upper. Body out of the CSM. So we saw this in Jim ni- too. It's like sort of upper torso UVA. That's the Isaiah is still counts the hatches open year in the suit. But during this Scott was supposed to document the event with video again first time we've had two crew outside but the camera he was using failed. Mcdevitt, basically gave his crew members five minutes to see the could get it working again. Right. It's a Scottish fiddling with the camera and Schweickart is floating in space with nothing to do at all which is incredibly rare. He talked about it afterward. Here's a little clip of an interview he gave later. I only got a few a few feet up the handrail when the movie camera that Dave Scott was using the film that jammed and so he said, hey, wait a minute. The camera just jammed and Jim mcdevitt over here said, okay, Dave. I'm going to give you five minutes to try and fix the camera and resi stay, right? Where we are. And so took five minutes, and I took five minutes time out, you know. And I just I just took the opportunity to say, okay, great. I'm up here in space. This is my five minutes to really let the experience come in as a human being not as an astronaut not thinking about what came next but just to say, I'm a human being up here in space. What is this all about and all of these really important questions kind of came fly? Flooding in unexpected mean like how did I get here? Not via Saturn five, but you know, the evolution of humanity and the invention of the machines that we've invested in and that combination of human beings and the machines have enabled us to begin moving out from the planet. And this is obviously just the beginning of that evolution of life out of planet earth into space, and all of that kind of came flooding in, you know, given that five minutes with nothing to do so being unemployed in that kind of environment is incredible. This liftoff is brought to you by express VPN. We can probably I'll just say to ourselves hold her hands up and say cybercrime is something that we think happens to other people. It's not going to happen to me who would want my data. Well, the bad news is stealing data from people like me, and you using public wifi is pretty simple. It's the simplest way for hackers to to make money, which is leaves us in a in a state, we should take care of. 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So the highlight of Apollo nine would really come on day five once again, Scott is left in drop while his crew members climb over to spider, they separate again and fly the Lander some one hundred thirteen miles away from the command service module the crew then turned the craft back around facing Scott's direction. And there's there's a great interaction between the crew members here that I wanna share with you. So. The sixty seven miles one one two feet per second. Okay. We have sixty seven miles at one zero seven features foul about that. They can be residual. You gotta shave that up really worldwide for nowadays. Good away, right? I doubt again, I just think was that up. For you've got contraption hanging over. Okay. I have is about three hundred seventy feet. Okay. Closer. That sports car handled him that. Already with VM. They all I'm here. The descent stage was jettisoned just as if the crew had landed on the moon. Remember, they leave a little part behind when because they don't need to take it back with them and that allow them to test the ascent stage motor. So again, a new engine that had not been fired in space yet. And this is the one that they used to fly back toward gum drop. Leaving the limb seventy five miles behind in ten miles below the CSM for a rendezvous that would take place a few hours later after docking. The essence stage was jettisoned a committed to fire its engine to deplete all the fuel. It actually marked the first time. A crude test vehicle would be left behind to reenter and burn up on its own. Yeah. That's really interesting. The idea that the first time that there's something that people were in that they're like we don't need that anymore. We've discarded the spacecraft it can just burn up. Well, the the limb was not designed for flight in the atmosphere was not going reenter. That's yeah. We'll talk more about the limb later, that's one of the things. That's fascinating about it is it is a spaceship. It is not meant to be used anywhere. But in vacuum, which is pretty amazing. There wasn't drama on the mission. How how could there not be? There were some concerns about what one of the readings from a helium tank onboard. The limb this is dramatized in the spider EPA. Code of from the earth to the moon, and the the people at grummin who built the lamb or like, an ultimately, they're confident about it. It's good ship. It's going to be fine. It was it was high pressure, but within the acceptable range, and they said it's going to be fine. And it was fine. Didn't lead to any problems with the limbs thrusters when they were orbiting this worked and this all meant that Apollo nine had carried out its main objective proving that the lunar module was a viable space craft and ready to go to the moon. We did it wou-. It's fine. It is. I mean, a huge amount of testing, and they tested it and it worked and the other thing is I mean, keeping in mind, I spacecraft of its kind first off the line for this thing that in terms of going into space. I think it was I think it was the third one they made. But it was the first one that was going to people in it that it was going to go work at all. And they put it through its paces, and it all worked now that said the crew had other stuff to do while they were in orbit. The job is never done. They were to teach. V broadcasts made earth from Apollo nine. The first was on March fifth that lasted for about seven minutes. There was a second broadcast the next day about thirteen minutes, and that one showed interior views of the lunar module. It seems to me that NASA. Maybe dialed back after previous crew at complained of how much time energy these took. But part of me thinks to that after Apolo, wait, maybe they were afraid of tension waning a little bit. So they shortened no, not really sure what went to the decision, but it's pretty different from other missions in this regard, and again Apollo it was a very dramatic mission in a way that was not. They're doing test test light reading Genesis one Christmas Eve coming around the moon is like the high point on then you're flying around a little spacecraft, and you know, like, yeah. To do people care as much maybe not. Maybe that was a good move. They did test. Something called crewmen optical alignment site c o a s which is really interesting used to test. How far you could see stuff in space. This is interesting 'cause we talked about going out one hundred miles and then coming back, it's like one hundred miles that's really far, but with they tested, and they were actually able to spot a Pegasus to satellite that was one thousand miles away. So they're learning a little bit about. Like, how far can you spot an object in space as an astronaut looking out the window, and that's what C O S tested, and the answer was they could see that satellite. That was a thousand miles away after everything was done the crew splashdown about three miles from their recovery. Ship on March thirteenth little trivia. This was actually the last Apollo capsule to splash down in the Atlantic. Ocean. Gumdrops is now on display at the San Diego air and Space Museum. Yeah. Go to Balboa park and check it out. It's their gumdrops. You can see it right there in San Diego, all the astronauts from this mission as of our recording in two thousand nineteen are still alive. Mcdevitt, became the manager of lunar landing operations, and then the manager of the Apollo spacecraft program. He was the program manager for Apollo missions twelve through sixteen pretty pretty cool. He left NASA in nineteen seventy two to enter corporate life and ended up being these senior vice president at Rockwell a major aerospace company for fourteen years day, Scott. What was the backup commander of Apollo eleven? As was his right. And that meant he was the commander of Apollo fifteen. So check back in July of twenty twenty one. And we'll talk about data Scott. Yeah. Stay tuned to the little little just more politicians to come. He ended up as they head of NASA Dryden flight research center in the mid seventies later was the president of his own consulting company. He was an adviser on Apollo thirteen and the HBO mini series from the earth to the moon that I mentioned earlier. So in his later years, he became a consultant about the space program, which is pretty cool. And then rusty Schweickart stated NASA for a while worked on the Skylab project went to DC and worked at NASA headquarters in seventy four and left NASA in nineteen seventy seven interesting thing about Schweiker. He was not particularly comfortable in the NASA culture. He and his wife were both politically liberal and active in the civil rights movement among others and NASA. Especially in the sixties and seventies was a very conservative culture. And so he was referred to as I think the freak astronaut at one point, which I think meant that they thought he was kind of a hippy only in terms of astronauts would rusty Schweickart. I think the candidate hippie. But like, oh, his flattop is slightly longer than the others. But anyway, he it's interesting that he and his wife were not as comfortable in the NASA culture, he ended up working for Jerry Brown in California government in the seventies for seven years, and then later went on and worked in the telecommunications industry. So we've mentioned this. But it Apollo nine. It seems like it's overlooked seems like it's forgotten when thinking about the journey to the moon lives in the shadow of Apollo wait perhaps, and I can understand that. But after prepping for this and reading a lot about it. And watching a bunch of interviews and documentaries like this was a hugely important deal. It's true that this was not as much of a crowd pleaser like Holloway. But it was you know, as we said earlier on more professionally fulfilling, maybe it's a mission that only astronauts, truly appreciate, but they really did kill it. They nailed all of their mission requirements. They cleared up all doubt. About whether the limb was going to be a suitable spacecraft, which I think all the astronauts who saw were very skeptical of this weird thing that looked nothing like anything that they'd seen in the space program up to this point. You could make an argument that up to this point, this is the most successful Apollo mission. And maybe the most successful space mission that NASA had done to this point. They got everything right. They cleared off up every question about the limb. And the since I get from reading reports about this era is that when Apollo nine came back. Everybody knew that the moon landing was going to happen with eleven everybody knew they had to do one more test with ten in fact, I read through this. And we'll talk about this with Apollo ten. I through this and thought I'm a little surprised that NASA didn't just say, let's just land on politics. Let's just do it. Why are we even why why even wait a mission because after Apollo nine I think everybody knew it was going to happen because they had all the pieces now. I think you're totally right. It's deserves all the praise we can give especially like when you factor in. They were worried about space sickness and they overcame that. And still the VA, and that was modified like they got everything done under some, you know, some pretty rough circumstances healthwise and just a lot of this was a chock full mission. And they checked every box, and it's really cool. This episode of lift-off is brought to you in part by squarespace makes make your next move with squarespace course base. Let's you easily create a website for whatever your next idea is you can get a unique domain you can use their award winning templates so much more. So whether you want to create an online store and sell stuff on the internet. You can create a portfolio you can set up a blog blogging, his fun. I do that you do that. Stephen, we, you know, blogging you can do that with squarespace. It's an all in one platform. No matter what you wanna do you do it with squarespace and best of all there's nothing to install. No software patches. No security updates anything like that. They take care of all of that. 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Apollo nine was where the lunar module got tested. But the fact is every Apollo mission from here on out has a lunar module. And we haven't really talked about the lunar module itself. So maybe we should talk about. That. Sounds good to me. It's a vital piece to all of this. Yeah. You need one you need one. So do I mean you can't like again Apollo eight. Otherwise, you call it a day. Right. Like, hey, we went to the moon wave. Hello moon. And then you come home the real question. Here's how you land on the moon that like the big philosophical question. How do you land on the moon with people? And then how do you get them back off and back to earth and early on in the planning stages of Apollo many people within NASA most prominently of on Brown, the rocket scientists from Germany who had come to America after World War Two. And when he was working in Germany, he was already pumping up the idea of taking sending people to the moon, and tomorrow's and all of that. And he was a rocket guy. And he was like big rocket shoot. To the moon. That's what we do. However, there were some other people who swam against the title little bit and most notably an engineer named John huddled who became a strong believer in concept called lunar orbit rendezvous, which means you take two spacecraft to the moon. One orbits the other one goes down to the surface. And then lifts back off and reattach is to the other spacecraft. And that was it was a radical idea. Yeah. Who's the hippie now? No kidding. How old I mean, clearly risky to spacecraft. You have to rendezvous yet. Do all these things and this point member hadn't been done. Yeah. Mercury was the murky program was barely up and running at this point. Right, Jim, and I was still a ways off, but he was insistent about the idea so much. So that he wrote a letter to NASA brass like skipping over several managers, you know, several years of bureaucracy. But it worked he landed a meeting and in that meeting he convinced them that it was it was decided that this lunar orbit rendezvous idea was the right way to go. Yeah. My impression is that. He planted a seed and everybody's like, okay, dude, whatever. And then like as time went on it just that idea never went away. And once it was in the marketplace of ideas it won like the whole challenge was just breaking. Out of the idea of direct lunar insertion or earth orbit rendezvous where you shoot a multiple spacecraft up in earth orbit and attach them and then fly to the moon, which were both under discussion once L O R came into the picture, and they started thinking about it. They realize the costs of building a little spacecraft that only needed to land on the moon were it was so much better in so many different ways. And so there we go in the fall of nineteen sixty two they NASA took bids for the lunar excursion module, which is what it was called at the time later, they dropped the excursion because I think they felt like that would be like taking a Sunday drive a little excursion to the moon bring a picnic lunch. But it was learning excursion module. L EM was very obviously called the limb. And that's why even though it's the L AM everybody pronounced it limb not lung or limb or whatever it was always the limb, and it was the winner was Grumman company on Long Island. They had been studying the whole thing already and working on lunar orbit rendezvous concepts and they won the contract in November of sixty two. They had a very detailed design already with an asset. Andy sent stage president in those early designs. They were really on top of it. They had an idea of how you make a lunar Lander. And then they spent the next five years building a lunar modules basically figuring out how to build them. They were all out of custom parts, and and they built them, of course, that initial design would change over time. And again from the earth to the moon shows a lot of this. There's a little like time lapse as they as they move move things on and off of a little model because they're like how about this. Nope. That's. It's not gonna work. How about this? Great. It's a great scene. Wait was a huge concern here. So that lead to things like smaller windows. The limb doesn't have any seats in it. You don't need to see. There was even a version without a ladder. Turns out you need a ladder to get in and out easily. So they they ditched this rope and pull back to the ladder. But even basic things like the shape of the hatch had to be reworked. Remember their building this as the program is evolving in parallel across different space centers across different sub programs and like the first half of the nineteen sixties is just lots and lots of design then redesign work overactive. Right. They changed backpack. We mentioned the suit that the astronauts had to test that was going to go the untethered self contained suits. So you could do a moonwalk and it ended up with a square backpack. And at one point in the process gremlin had to change their around hatches into square hatches. So that you could get out with the back. Pack, and that was just a thing that they they had to do. There's so many little things the standing is amazing. I hadn't really thought about it. But like one of the reasons that that they stand is not just to save money on chairs, but and you're in light gravity. You can just float and stuff, but it's also to save money on windows because and wait on windows because if you're standing you you can build a window in the little area where they can see out, and then that's it. And then you don't have to have a huge window right with a kind of a moonscape around you. And so it's not as pretty looking spacecraft but much more functional able to be built within the budget. Insolation was a big problem to grummin had to protect the craft from these extreme temperature swings in space, and they use layers of Mylar I new material which is if you think about it that smilar is like what you get in like a helium balloon for up like a birthday party super thin balloon material, and they coded almost every surface with Mylar and layers. Mylar depending on on where it was and how much insulation at needed the many layers of Mylar, but it made it look that's the tin foil. Look the gold foil. Look, you get is if you think about the thin Mylar surface of like a a balloon. They would just there were layers of that which meant that the limb was very light. And and which was fine because it was actually in in almo-, very light, not light gravity. Right. Yeah. -solutely? So we get the spring of nineteen sixty five and NASA, freezes the design we have this unusual looking spacecraft. But it's it's biter. It's perfectly designed to land of the moon era. Dynamics are not a concern. He heavy heat shields. Not a concern. You have what you need and really nothing else. Yeah. It's never going to see atmosphere. That's not what it's four. So. Yeah. The top half of Elim was called the assets stage. The contains the crew cabin the flight controls and Eva hatch on the. Side with the hatch at the top to be used when connected to the command module. So you can go back and forth between the two modules. The assets stage was responsible for getting the crew from the surface back to lunar orbit. So it's the part that would blast off from the lunar surface and go back up and Ron do with the CSM said, wait, wait is the concern here. So they they've stripped things out they don't need. And you think well the new seats where did they sleep some of these later Apollo missions were on the moon long enough where they had rest periods. And and you may think well did they have like a bed and the wall. No, no, no. They have a set of hammocks that they hung across the tiny cabin like when I say tiny. I mean, it the crew cabin two point three meters tall and about a meter across a very cramped space. Yeah. Incredibly incredibly small now, the descent stage, perhaps more recognizable. It's got the landing legs wrapped in Mylar. Again, three of the four foot. Pads come with a one hundred seventy centimeter contact sensor probe. You can see this in some of the pictures from Apollo nine like, it's not just like the pads at the end of the feet. And there are these like things that stick out, and the idea there is that when you're getting close to the surface, the they're gonna hit first and make contact and there's a contact light that the pilot sees, and they know at that point that they can cut the thrusters and dropped the lunar service. So that's why they had those things there. There were storage Cubbies in the descent stage for equipment like cameras geological, tools and later, that's where they tucked the lunar Rover as well was down in the descent stage. I can't wait to talk about the river. It may be my band, Apollo hardware. Yeah. I was looking up. The space stuff as you do, you know, the left up podcast, and I found the spoil it, but I found the person who holds the record for longest longest distance driven in space a good record. Yeah. Check back in sometime in the future. We'll we'll get to the river. Eventually. So you go to the moon. You disconnect from the CSM you go down you make contact you land the limb on the surface of the moon. You get out you get some rocks. You power slide in the lunar Rover for a while. But when it's time to go, then you go back in the limb. And this is where the descent stage essence stage where the that difference lies. So the since age again with its four legs serves as the launch pad for the essence stage. So that means that they're actually six to since stages still on the surface of the moon. You know, they landed and they they don't go anywhere there. They are still there many ascent stages reentered earth's atmosphere or crashed into the moon after lunar orbit rendezvous to ensure they'd be out of the way future missions. So this is a this is a disposable spacecraft. If you will. Only the Apollo ten lunar module. The ascent module is still in space. It's in the heliocentric orbit all in all criminal twenty two or so lunar modules the exact numbers a little fuzzy I read a couple of conflicting things, but about twenty two those that weren't flown or on display in museums around the world I've seen a couple of them, and it is a sight to behold. So as Grumman was starting building and testing units it built a motor testing facility in white sands, New Mexico and this program had several I if its own the descent engine took the lunar module from the command service module in lunar orbit down to surface. It was the first rocket built with a throttle and the so that's what you know. Neil armstrong. And I man let's say right there. He's he's got throttle control over the rocket as he's coming down. The Asan engine took the upper half of the lamb from the surface all the way back up to lunar orbit. There was no failsafe. This motor if it failed. The astronauts would be stuck on the moon. Not good. It used hyper Golic propellant whose components lit on contact with each other no pumps or neither. You basically open the hatches the fuel and the oxidizer will connect and ignite. They were extremely toxic and corrosive. So the flight Motors could never be fired because that would be the end of that engine. It was a single use about your disposable spacecraft. It was really a a single use kind of thing. So to train for this astronauts used this insane rig, and there's you could see this. It's like really unstable Neil Armstrong almost died flying it, and then they moved to training in like an endorse later with an I love this lunar movies of the lunar surface playing out the window. So you can get a feel for what you doing little by. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. I now initially the land was going to be part of an uncrowned test on Apollo four. For that was one of those early limbs, but Nasr's testing showed huge issues with a vehicle fuel leaks, wiring problems and so- Apollo for left earth without any limb on board. There was more testing. They blew a window out when the land was pressurized at one point is that good, you know, the early days. It was stressful of Bill than building this NASA gave groman strict instructions about debris in the spacecraft to avoid such incidents. Even though a definitive cause was never found. Apollo five. Which was spoken about did take an uncrowned kind of unfinished limb to space but Apollo nine again where this vehicle where it got tested and later in nineteen sixty nine the first one touchdown to the moon is part of Apollo eleven and then made history we're gonna talk about that particular spacecraft soon. And of course, not to be forgotten the lunar module that saved the lives of the Apollo thirteen crew on the fiftieth anniversary of that mission. Right. And in may. We will talk about a particular group of Apollo astronauts in our next special Apollo episode who took the lunar module out for a spin and we're sorely tempted to land on the moon, but we're not supposed to do that. So they did not supposed to do it. Yes. We will get to that soon. In the meantime, if you want to learn more read more watch more about Apollo nine we've collected some resources in the show notes, you can find those at relay dot FM slash liftoff slash ninety two while you're there, you can drop us an Email inbetween are episodes we link stories and things on our tumbler there's a link to that on the sidebars, well or you can find us and follow us on Twitter. Jason is there as j Snell, and you can find me there as I s m h until our next four night. Jason say goodbye goodbye. Everybody on.

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Spot and Parasite SPOILERCAST -  Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project - 2/4/20

Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project

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Spot and Parasite SPOILERCAST - Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project - 2/4/20

"This week's episode of cell entitled is Made Possible With Support from Microsoft surface introducing the new Microsoft surface laptop three with its beautiful touchscreen. You'll experience stunning graphics. With razor sharp resolution now available with thirteen and a half or fifteen inch. Screen and with the latest processor is no project. The surface laptop laptop can't handle. It's both light and powerful. So you can get more done on the go visit surface dot com slash laptop three to learn more that surface dot com slash laptop three. Welcome to still untitled data. I'm well I'm at a norm. Hello Hello again just did this go. Yeah no I changed yes. I am wearing replica. NASA coveralls and a replica. NASA physical training shirt from Luna Replicas. My friend Max. Kaiser Man has a website lunar replicas dot com. Go there and get some of of his incredible NASA stuff really good replicas of NASA hardware and software and clothing Is Hard to come by a lot of bad replicas out there but these guys are doing amazing it's for you who would be discerning about equality of a meatball patch. I totally yes. So for instance met Max. You'll notice notice that will you will notice. He literally bought an old seventies factor base machine and backs us with cheese cloth like the originals as Shitty as the early patches. All refined like Maude is done with punch cards on ancient pre computer computer. So that's the level of fidelity he brings and missing blue the same fabric as the jacket. I it's very close to the same kind of dwelt jackets made but you didn't know is that we prepared an enema. Another room mercury training as soon as putting a right stuff Scott Glen. Yeah Scott Glen sits there with the ETIMA. Yeah that does the Jose Jimenez. It's a it's it. Plays Gus grissom right. I believe Alan Shepherd. No grissom is played by Fred Ward Oh right so it must be it must have been I think. Scott Glen Plays Carpenter but I could be wrong. I can't remember the problem with that. Movie is a lot of those guys look alike because they're all middle aged white guy with also suburban great actress Lance Henriksen buried. Forget all these amazing people probably fifteen years. I watched it last year really holds up. The book is one of my like in the top like the new journalism Tom. Wolfe can key hunter S. Thompson is riveting. I didn't read it until Jen. Schachter told me to read it and by the way in the movie when they're walking down the long hallway. You know where that was shot now was shot on Third Street and twenty second bucket here in San Francisco. Yes so a colossal pictures which is down off of Quin street where I worked with Jamie Hyneman in the early nineties colossal pictures in in the eighties eighties when they made the right stuff did all the special effects and when they needed that long hallway. Shot there's that long factory building in Dog Patch on the east side of third. St The American building is a twelve hundred foot long hallway. And that's where we're revision. Three's to be so how excited Cisco you never know film here as well. We're recording. It's a weird way. You're listening this but in San Francisco as you're listening Mr filming the Matrix for what. Yep they're making making the Chow Skis. He's are making the fourth way trix right now. And it's I know downtown San Francisco. You got to remind me after this podcast. I've got to reach out to people the House keys and see if we can't get tested on that we need to really tested listener working on this production I'm coming for you awesome awesome. Yeah we'll bring cameras or even not bring cameras. We just show up with coffee nor nor a good grip robot. That's really really exciting and we could bring a robot. I know that was a good segue purpose Klein. Wow Hey Jesus awesome recorded episode but we have a boss Nynex spot robot. We do have one that for this whole year for this whole year. We we are developing for him. We're going to give him some new skills and we are going to also help him walk out of the Uncanny Valley hopefully so that he doesn't creep people out because because when I see spot I see a magnificent piece of engineering and a solution to really interesting problems that we might not have even encountered yet and I I see a future that I like a lot of people when they see spot. They see a different narrative. And I get it. I get why they see that narrative and I know that they're affected by things like metalhead. Beautiful season four episode of Black Mirror by. I would like everyone to see the engineering in fact that I witnessed. We're trying to get on the good side of the robots. It's a fascinating thing because we all of us over the past decade or so have seen the videos at Boston economics is put out and spot is of DNA. But it's not the atlas robot. It's not the BIPEDAL robot dogs not big jaw. Dog has a very specific purpose. Now inherits a lot of the engineering and design philosophy. That went into those but this is this is for very specific purpose. It is for surveying. It's four constructions for Industry News. It's a tool and it's a it's a you know and it is. It's very much a tool with very few attachments right now. Like it doesn't map the room. It looks at the ground in front of it and figure out how to move over it without incident. It took me a couple of weeks of having it here. The had it now for a month. Yeah it took me a while to rouse. They didn't have to steer it away from things it moves in. has its own sense appropriate. Greece I was shocked shocked. Navigate your shop. Yeah this is I look at this room. It's a nightmare for humans much less. Yeah does it fairly handling. That's something that we've video out and you should watch the video because we did take it to one of your favorite places to bomb randomly and really try to put through places because it is. That's open area right. The violent where spot would likely operate of. But I don't think people understand. It's both physically a controlled with manual control. I can't be menu so there. Is this controller the screen. It's essentially an android tablet with two sticks almost like a video game controller and you can use a Tuesday control to to pilot. It been looked at the screen on the cat. And you're seeing what spot seats. You're seeing the view of the world that he is witnessing. So it has kind of structured light sensor so infrared and in visions these As Rocky y going on. I don't think there's any lighter actually red light itself him back right so it's very much. Like the MC soft connect or the Intel real sense cameras and has an array of those all round. So that's where I think. The magic check in is how easily it lets you control it. Direct it without having to think about things like ops bumps into this thing like. How's it going to make it over that obstacle tickle when you were showing it to me and you just tapped on a section of the floor from your shop of the shop to buy the pool table and just like okay I got this walked over there and kind of shimmied meet over to the left to avoid an obstacle and then walked around and then got to wear it was supposed to be and then you did the same thing by backing it up and I was just like Oh okay? This is this this works. It's better than I expected You know the folks have been friends of mine for a few years. And we've had a lot of time to to get to know each other and I've been seeing. I've been following their progress actually since the early nineties. That's the first time Mark Roberts early work came across my came across my contention and it's so exciting to have him here. We turn them on every day. We play around with different things. We have a whole bunch of different plans for him And just like any good. TV show there are some things we WANNA do. That are part of an overall plot and there are some bottle episodes. I even have an idea for helping him to poop perhaps even better okay but yeah the video. The first video is up is a is a little taste and I'm very excited excited. How well a video has done? I think that the response I mean. There's a response online. Also the response person. I won't talk about. Both of those people have already come up by watching the video with a a lot of like the same direction they know when they see you and spots. Of course there's going to be pure caused by cosmic. We're thinking in those terms right but I mean one of the lovely things about producing a series like we are currently producing. Is We know what the expectations are. And it's really fun to both. Meet them and change them in modified them that's actually some of the most fun of the storytelling and then spot in the wild which we haven't shown like you were able like you've walked the streets of the commission. Yeah with spot. Yeah Tom Talk about that. We were the first day we had him at the end of that day. I WanNa take them home. I want to run him around my house. It's got to climb the stairs is my house. It's so It was raining and he is relatively water resistant and we walked him from here to the House. It's a a few blocks and I mean most PLAC- a him just feels right ISH I. It's sort of a default okay. I'm being very open to the character of spot I have also yesterday I was calling she okay and I also May. I started playing around in my head with awesome acronyms or ideas about a name. That could be specific. Tim People keep asking. What's what's the name and my feeling is unless and until right like something something if something that naturally occurs it will occur? If it doesn't it doesn't but people they see it on the street next immediately. Their phones like holy cow like just watching it. The best is children seeing it like. It's not like children. Have a great scope of all the things that are going on in the world but they see this thing hang on the street and they can tell something really remarkable is having in front of them and their brains kind of like the smile of. It's the it's the look on kids spaces. They got when they get went to maker Faire. Like you're walking around making artesia rolling up door. I this is real so call all the thing that I wanNA tease. Before we move off of spot is that with the things we want to do with him this year. We are rounding up a number of collaborators elaborate to help in this endeavor that is truly exciting in old colleagues by and friends and people I admire goes far to say like a lot of people. We know work in the business of imagining the future whether it's actually building the machines and engineering or even just conceptually in terms of artistic world and Dan and what the future means to us as individuals how we respond to it. What we expect from it and what we don't expect and some of the best responses have introducing spot to those folks who have done nothing who've dedicated so much of their career imagining just from a theoretical or artistic standpoint? You know whether it's the way a robot bought moves or the weight should look and they are coming in contact with something that is of their imagined world. Yeah and that is super cool really because they don't have worry about the engineering when they're when they're coming up with those stories right so we're taking a piece of a science fiction in the real world real world have intersected in a in a really thrilling you you saw it in the video. I don't know I mean it must have been intentional. But the way when when any of US operate our natural inclination is try try to puppet it spot has has a head tilt and I don't know it has a functional purpose in terms of the way the legs and move and move around things but we all want want to kind of give it the headset. have it like perch up and sit And that's Portland. Some of the most fun we've had so far indeed indeed and I mean and we haven't even started to play with kinetics of how moves and that's definitely going to be something we we delve into. I I can't wait to see more. It's been fascinating watching. We're already cutting video. The number two right now yes I should be out in hopefully a couple like a week or two at most by turn into this. I actually think we now have the two videos after that already. The plan so we're good till like May June even having executing sorry didn't mean to clip their. Hey you've been recently. I saw you post it on twitter. Or maybe it was up for conversation. But you've been enjoying the criterion collection Indeed a Peter Becker who is runs. The Criterion Korean Channel Organization criterion collection is a friend of mine and I put a plum job that must be. He's a wonderful guy and he loves film so much. I interviewed Guillermo del Toro for him. For the criterion I don't think it's a plum job. I think it's a stressful truffle. As heck because it's so subjective in all I'm sure nothing everything here's why isn't this film in there. I mean sure. I'm sure that but then when you look at the channel you see all the different ways he's intersected different directors with other directors to talk about film to really go into the depth of how this came to be why this is important. What is it means needs culturally what it means is you know? Plot wise from Armageddon. His Ardoz Link will say having a Samsung television. It was hard to get the the criteria on general APP on Samsung. They don't play together right now. And this is part of this weird sequester who owns the standard landscape can we. Can we talk about this. I I'm GonNa tell you what my face was if you have a Samsung TV. Here's what works. It's not enough to just sign up for the ROKU ROKU APP on the Samsung APPs. You actually have to get an External Roku stick twenty five bucks. Attach that to your Samsung. It's like TV but once you do you don't need to use the ROKU remote. Your Samsung remote will operate the channel. Just fine which is that as I I see stuff does that. Yeah and then I've been I've been obsessed with it so actually I said the night Huxley passed. I wanted a mood of film so I watched watched one car wise in the mood for love which was exactly the right thing for me at that moment in time last night when I couldn't get sleep because my sleep patterns are still abysmal. Ruin my watch most of the original heist film which is a French new wave film. That maybe don't know if it's new wave exactly but it's like from that era ish and in the middle all is an hour long heist with no dialogue and it's absolutely riveting. ooh Yeah No. It's this it's you're watching something really special and you see so all many movies have borrowed from this since then from the bank. Job With Jason. Statham do films I so I haven't before we go on about criterion. I have real concerns about the APPS built into. TV's especially on low end models that are priced at an incredibly incredibly low low price rain. Yeah you think that's a way that people are GonNa hang more for cable and all that no they're collecting data. They're collecting data about what. Oh you watch what you play. What things you use your TV for? And I think even maybe we solve an apple. TV Den right right like that's the thing we used. Because I kind of trust Apple Apple with privacy stuff but anyway tilling off. It's justified or not. I don't know if I'd be interested here. What people think? I'm bringing it up because I don't know anything about it. I haven't I haven't done the research. We were working on an episode of Tech Pot about that and I would love to get feedback from people who maybe no more Then you can hit me on twitter or comments read comments in criterion had to spin up their own service risk because previously. They were part of film struck. We've championed that before. Fortunately when away and this was the sponsor that to to take that collection the licenses says they have to allow you to watch the selection of film otherwise you would not be able to find anywhere. It's been spectacularly successful for the and good mm so has been really really stunning and seriously if you're wondering whether you should sign up for Criterion Ju you do. It's a stunning film. Education in a channel channel with beautiful prints really like. It's just great. It's like I'm just cracking the surface. I know it was live yet. So I'M GONNA go as as soon as I get home. You'RE GONNA yeah one film that's going to be on there. I'm sure at some time and I don't I love to get him on the PODCASTS. At the more talk about yet. The curation ration- Prospect Siamese Sierra. We have on the PODCAST and ask him. When is movie like parasite going to hit the criterion collection and Bunk joon-ho interviewed a bunch on on in different in different things on this? Thanks for the was. It really really seems. We've been wanting to talk about parasite for weeks and the holdout has been. I'm so we will just refer to them as suspect W I. I think you're aware wolf. I've only ever been aware we'll one. That's what that's where Wolf Talkradio. But let me tell you. When I was the Werewolf it was here? We did a huge night of Werewolf Games ames here in the cave. Ben Ha and a bunch of other folks. Harper Harper was here and my son think too was playing with us and he was like nineteen at the time and the only time I was aware of he could tell I was the werewolf because he was the senior and I somehow managed to convince people that not only was I not aware of but but he was not the Sierra and unhinged him being so duplicitous. He likes slammed by in competition. We play one night ultimate which is basically no sleeps. You just do you get one one night of where wolf and then it's done. They built a bunch of extra rules. So that you can get all the information you need on one pass. Oh Oh my God and I will bring a copy of that as well. It is phenomenal. It's great for people who don't play with like five four people. We played with my seven year old spectacular watching her learn how to be duplicitous and detect duplicitous. Well and seven is just about the age kids. Start to be able to hold competing eating concepts in their head. We've talked about this before I played my when they were seven. I've played them. WHO's on first right and watching? They're hungry little. Brains grabbed these. The tensions of language and enjoy them is super. Nobody appreciates a terrible pun. A seven-year-old not not a parasite. I've been dying to talk about this film. Because so ben acker friend of the channel and good friend of mine half of Akron Blacker the writers of thrilling adventure adventure our many other things human being one of the things I love. We all know help. Fund is to talk to screenwriters about film right here. What someone who is immersed I in the mechanics of it thinks about very one of the things? I love about Ben in the way he talks about it is. It's always about character for him character character character. He doesn't give a shit about plots if it's not what about the characters and what. They're what was actually happening because of the characters and it took me forty years to get to that spot just for the record and parasite is the one of the most interesting character films. I have ever seen in terms of what you think about the people on screen where you're alliances fall. How you feel about the characters actors it is? I have never felt so much tension and such a thrill over just thinking what the Hell is going to happen next and yes and now. We're not gonNA do heavy spoilers. Actually it's not to spoilers. Spread the little girl okay. We'll get spoilers. The movie you undoubtedly horror film. It's a thriller by the way just before we even get to spoilers even talking generally about the film is is. It's a tiny bit of a spoiler. I would recommend that if you really are excited about seeing it maybe turn this off now because the less you know the the more liberal than the film is the second time because I'm sure it's a whole different experience in theaters in the states because of the Oscar campaign so it his hat on a hat though which is the convention to say that you know they take something literal and and it it is also the metaphor so the fact that people live there is a class system people literally live under people. Yeah like also they live under people and writers and he in embrace that and it's heavy handed enough yet but they're still so many layers to pull back and you know so there are key you see every time you meet the character. He plays bunk. joon-ho is the director who directed OCTA and Snow Piercer. Here Sir and he plays with all of your expectations all the time. You meet a new character anything. Oh I think they're kind of like this and then you find out. Oh no no. They're totally the opposite of that. Actually they're also like that The two families and the film was talking about the the main repair tackiness. No family family the domain protect families a husband and a wife and their son in their their adult son and adult daughter and the son is a university student and the daughter is is not yet. It's unclear it's unclear. It's unclear May I. There's no there's there's not even a turn to suggest that they're actually related these four. I I that was unclear to me for pretty substantial part of the film I submit that they might not be and that the film I see that point I think that the the bond that they have and the the maybe the cultural need for like you know fought the frontal children relationship a is there. I totally get that. But but there's a way in which the the conventions that get played out in the film feels so subverted that go all the way to maybe that family family and the other family is a very well family. Yeah so the Kim family's the the poor family and then the the wealthy families the park family and part family lives in this amazing architectural masterpiece of a house which was completely constructed. Set up completely constructed outdoor set because wear where light falls in. I lines like bunk. Juno had diagrams in the script as he was writing about islands from the staircase to the kitchen to the thing the thing and there was they look for a house and very quickly realized they weren't GonNa find it and then they went to the lot where they built the house and spent days tracking where the Sun was going and built the orientation of the house is to accommodate for the sun based on the plot while right. Wow this set of the Kim him family. That entire street is a set. Yeah well that I can see because the way they were they were doing on it and the but yet only why. But it's not only it was. The entire street is set but apparently they were going around to like wrecking yards and dumps and other places and buying chunks of the city to make the set feel all super realistic. These old signs old doors and old windows. I mean we lived in a lot here but it it's definitely it has been lived in and then some d. idea that it every space that you pretty much every space that you're witnessing in that film is a space completely constructed is kind of astounding well and the different locations nations have entirely different. The most shot like different films right like the basements basement said his shot in a very grungy kind of Chernobyl. Kind of way And I was GONNA say like a seventies seventies like a pal and pack Ula film. Yeah whereas other the expensive home is shot almost almost like like the. I like not Michael Bay film but you know how the island had that whole gold. Now the whole thing felt like it was shot in the Golden Hour. It's terrible Gregor film the Governor Michael. It's a bad film. I have Michael Bay. It was Michael Bay. Wow but I like the whole shot. Golden Golden Hours. All glow in the whole house feels like you're in a in a higher plane which I guess there's a precision into it from the set design to the Sim Socrates. Even the acting. That's not naturalist like they are very precise it's intense rotations. Everything I imagine. I don't I don't know it's Miami of David fincher right movie. Yeah and hearing about how they would go and century and you're right you're completely right word up in Cherian. Yeah that'd be like offense or David finch see also see also the Goldfinch also Peter finch. It's tough to talk about it without talking about. This is the the big moments so it's a film in which these two families intersect and it is. The intersection is mostly about class. uh-huh more than it is about sexuality or romance or friendship however those all play some role in it. But it's really deeply about class to me. That's what I took away from it and I'm not actually sure what the film stance on class is right. That's it's the kind of the big you ity that's baked right into the entire thing or who who. You're supposed to be rooting for your moment. I do ever feel like I should be rooting for anyone. Everyone felt like they were. Everyone felt. Everyone was unsympathetic to me. The film has a momentum in the first son. Third The Sun. Yeah yeah the Kim Sun. Yeah no the park son. Enough Park is the rich family. So the Kim Yeah I would agree with the birthday boy boy. Yeah he's about the most unsullied character in the entire. I I would say the two part kids are the are the victims of this whole thing. I'm curious about that more. But there's a momentum in the first half of the film where these things are falling into place and you watch it almost like a heist film in planning and the execution feels revel in Asia and in the same way that a heist film is super thrilling. Because you just are super excited see. What's right around? The corner is more like a manners. Drama in which it has the same tension constantly but the attention builds up to a point. where it you know? I'm describe a scene. Where they're they're drinking and they're eating food and they're celebrating reveling in success of their plot with a bringing the venue venue that they're in down to their level and that is so stressful to watch just a simple seed of a family eating dinner? You are like on the couch and contortions Russians with tension even before the moment happens for the Telegraph. And it's something that scene last longer than I could take so long long like the basement scene from inglorious bastards. That's what it's like. It's almost that amount of input you're sitting there and you're like I do not I do not one could things to happen to these people but I also don't want like the thing that's bad is going to be real bad. Julia had to tell me to stop moving because I was like and then he throws a curve ball at you right after that moment. What a win? And then the film Co. goes into complete even direction. Oh my yeah. And that's only only one of the ways. The film goes into complete direction before we continue on with the show. I won't let you know that support for still entitled comes this week from Microsoft surface. Introducing the new you Microsoft surface lob top three with its beautiful touchscreen. You'll experience stunning graphics with razor sharp resolution now available with a thirteen and a half or fifteen inch screen and with the latest processors. There's no project. The surface laptop can't handle. It's both light and powerful soon. Get more done on the go. Oh visit surface dot com slash laptop three to learn more. That's surface dot com slash laptop. Three now back to the show. I think it's time I'm to talk about this okay. So if you're at all interested in seeing a parasite turn this off now. The less you know the better now I say say that thinking that movies like since and seven and fight club are way better when you know what's going on. I actually think that they're improved by having watched them once Of course the second time is so. I'm I'm really. I'm really looking forward to seeing press a second time but the like so parasites starts off like any normal. We'll film you're meeting somebody. They're having a conversation with somebody else in a young a young man gets a job tutoring a kid that's how it begins And he goes so The young man is of the Kim family and he goes to tutor the son of the park family. Who He's been told is a brilliant artist who needs some real direction And it's clear. He learned the teaching the daughter to write reading speaking English. Oh right assisted senior brilliant kid who's got. Add Yes Jessica ESCA. Yes okay. So He's teaching the daughter that's Freia. Yeah and he. He gets that job from being passed from a friend right reference a friend Who wants to date the daughter when she's older? There's that's I'm being unpacking that the way in which he hold that there's already a plot which is that. His friend WHO's accessible handsome university student is about to go abroad for a year. Wants to eventually ask this sixteen year old girl out. But he's giving the job of tutoring her to his friend who trusts and and he. The friend also sets the stage with the family. which is the mothers in charge? But maybe not the the brightest or simple. I think what he says. It's what the translation is at least but the whole time this Kim families hustling the folding of pizza boxes. This is the whole thing in this dingy apartment. That is literally below street level. Where they're you know they're stealing Wi fi? There's a moment in the beginning when he says the street fumigators guys coming around and they're like. Hey the fumigated guys coming to shut the windows and the Father Says No. We'll get a free fumigation if we live the windows open and they're folding pizza boxes in coughing and holding their breath and it is. It's horrifying it is maybe some of them. I was five minutes into the movie the and I thought this is some of the most efficient character building. I have ever seen a friend of mine. WHO's a screenwriter? He his favourite character-building sequence sequence. Is the scene. In Grosse Pointe Blank when John Cusak goes to his father's grave and empties bottled Scott drives away. No words are spoken. You know everything everything you need to know. And the entirety of parasite feels like that level of character precision. It's dense in the way. That watchmen is dense so the sun goes it starts tutoring and the mother is then talking about her other child. A younger son is hard to control. Your right sorry and then they see an opportunity to then bring more of the family in so not. This is where the the the kind of that there's more to this family right. Yeah sister shows up up. The Kim's sister shows up and pretends to be an art therapist at this point. I'm thinking oh I'm watching the sting right right right. I'm thinking Oh this is GonNa this is like a heist that's GonNa wrap around itself and some stuff's going to happen. It's going to be a lovable rob through you know. They're they're going to somehow career replace the family. Yeah so so that goes on for a little while and then They managed to get rid of the south many. No they get rid of the show I I yeah manages to pull a little scam. Have the suspicion thrown on the show for so that they can install the Kim's dad and as the new show for now there's three of the four family members working for the parks family when they then reveal that the most difficult to replace. We'll be the housekeeper right. Came with the House who came with the House. The House is built in the film that houses built by famous architect. Who lived in it until he died? He no he sold. It sold eight in his life but he bequeathed equipped his housekeeper to the new family. And the Kim family's talking about home and she's there before them she's lover. That's her house she is she. He seems really She seems a little flaky. But she's tenacious like they recognize. She's a foul and I remember thinking she's a faux. Wait a minute what she seemed just like a Goofy uh-huh yeah and just to be clear. There's nothing evil that happens in this film really up until the point that the daughter gets the chauffeur sacked this true. Yeah Yeah Yeah and then you're like Oh man seeing you're seeing. What looks like opportunism opportunism up until that point and then it gets militias? Yeah so they get the respect the housekeeper sacked and that's when it reaches the apex of their success. Mom comes in so that well. So the the they get the housekeeper sacked and the mob on comes in to replace the housekeeper now all four Kim's working for the parks and the parks have no idea that relate a threat. Well the sun does this son does. This is one of my favorites bits else. What's so good? How do you convey this on film? The Sun walks over to one of the Kim's and sniffs him and then goes over to another team and sniffs them and and says to his fam- his parents the parks they smell the same and they smell. They smelt like my art tutor as well and that is another hat and a hat because is not only is he conveying that that he recognizes and he's telegraphing that you he the familiar to each other but they are the same people they are porous. Is there and this is when you immediately. Cut back to the KEMP's back at home realizing that they are going to all need to shower with different products and cross pollinate. And that's when you realise they're deeply committed to this ruse and to taking it very very far and so very shortly after that the the rich family. If we hadn't made this clear departure super rich that Kim superport the parks. Emily goes on a on a camping trip and now the Kim's are sitting in the house. As if it's there's enjoying this big Chinese meal sorry this big big dinner yes of takeout in the middle of the living room making a mess making a super for big Mac and making bottles stealing booze the whole thing. Yeah right and then the housekeeper comes back. The doorbell rings and it's the housekeeper who they've gotten rid of of because of her garlic allergy teaches teaches fuzz. They told her they they they they. They framed her for having TB and the housekeeper says recognizes them and says not as I I know what type of person you are you are and it's not. I'm not here for retribution. I'm not here. I recognize the game. That you've played and you've played it. Well I'm here for another purpose. Left something and left something in the bathroom and literally they go underneath the House House into a bunker and and this is where everything from her ringing. The doorbell like already watching the Kim's eat dinner in this house is Super I wrestle. We're waiting for something to happen in Bell Rings and it gets much worse and the doorbell rings and it's the housekeeper like what is housekeeper. And then she goes downstairs and it turns out that downstairs. There's a secret door and her husband's been living underground in this house for. I'd like to run hiding from predators. Exactly yes in Pitch Black and this is where it gets very Kafka ask like. He's he isn't a career or something is thing. What's that hiding from creditors? And a anyway I don't know yeah. Fear right of survival and you realize not. Only like his character isn't just that it's not just the plot of him needing hi. It's that he has become this ghost in the house where he serves a purpose receives sir. He serves knowingly for the parks. Like Park don't know he's there but he turns on their lights. Wait what yeah. Mrs Missus. Their lights blink. All over the place it's rating the lights from underground. When the head of the park mark household comes home saying when we go deeper into this plot out you see the lights come on? It's just like a room sensing light and that's what they assume to you. You realize it's this man who's been living underneath a house literally turning on lights and he runs to have to do it every time and he has become a little a ghost in this house and watch this when I hadn't slept in thirty hours. Watch it again. And so and that performance formats of that guy so later on its review you hear that the the the Young Park Sun brilliant one who's got. Add that the sister there is pretending to be an art therapist for You've heard that he had a trauma at a birthday where he saw a ghost. And you hear about this. And then it slowly dawned needed. Of course the ghost must be the husband who lives in the basement and then there's a point in the film when the camera flashes back to what the sun saw at the birthday chilies. You're looking at the stairs to the basement which already been like a character in the film and it's late at night it's classic kids when you're a little child you're scared of what's in the basement and it's late at night. He's going to find some food in the fridge. And this is when the husband would steal some food they show the black the the the the the emptiness of the cavity of the stairwell and what emerges ours is and the thing about about the shot is that you've met this guy you know. He looks weird and he's got an intense face in his eyes are really upsetting and still that does not even. I know you've spent time with this character. This flashback. You're not prepared for terrifying his eyes are we know it's like they come. Above hysteria is is one of the scariest moments. It's the David Lynch film. It's the man behind the man behind the hall in GS. And I O one. That's not even crazy agai- this is literally the first part of crazy the a lot of the back half of this movie dude. There's a garden. So do you remember Monty Python where they did the Sam Peckinpah Garden Party where everyone's arms are severed and blood is spraying everywhere. That actually happens in this movie there. We go that's just what I don't think we can even start to go into the plotlines of the of the of the third act of this film because it's so interwoven. So convoluted and bizarre but people people are murdered in the open at a party and blood spraying everywhere and there are body counts and runs to rain with houses sinking. And it's completely bachelor and as bad should it. It is the what's important about. This film is the subtexts that slowly services is the the relationship between the the father of the Kim father and the park father. How those bonds like that relationship is you see what's beneath the surface? Yeah and he reveals. It's been the surface and it's so unsettling and it's it's a face of sidey well and that's the thing so you watch you know no classically you watch the movie. The fighter with with Mark Wahlberg and Christian Bale and you realize that the end that the fighters Christian bail right. You realize oh the titles about a different guy than I thought it was right. Well and parasite does the same thing. What who's parasite you start out in twenty minutes and you'll have one answer forty minutes and you have another answer at the end of the film? It's kind of the answer is all of the above. And you know it's it's like it's the class system on society is the parasite on the human condition. That's literally where this film gets to the point of view the heavy rain scene. Where where you have you know the the park comeback from the trip because it's it's raining and they're talking about? How great is that? You know it's going to clean everything comeback smelly so fresh in their backyard. And the the same time the Kim family is scrambling their entire street is flooded. And they're being buried in this flood and this and this is the scene of the posted their escape from the ridiculous dickey's confluence of events back at the House during the dinner in which they left the big mess and it is their dissent they literally descend from the castle on high I to their basement hovel which is under water and they're drowning in their house. It is maybe the most thrilling film mm-hmm I've seen in years. I can't I can't recommend it enough everything you've heard about it you know again. I hope you haven't listened to all of this without having seen Zeenat and love to hear your comments. Yeah I I'm so excited that there are still so many places to find thrills thrills and weirdness and awesomeness and filmmaking especially from corners that you don't necessarily expect joon-ho is always made films subvert expectations and this is I just can't wait to see what he does next. Sounds like This weekend the tech pod. We talked about security best practices 'cause I got hacked last week really. Yeah I hadn't if t t If this then that account hooked up to my twitter was very old Natta bad password on was apparently public that I didn't realize I thought it was the other one that was out and and some musical to post on twitter wasn't bad but I had to go back and change a lot of passwords and had to do a bunch of ironically. This happened the day after we recorded this episode and if I have been following my best practices I would have been fine. Can I tell you at one. Point Ord Camp Back Tech pod dot content downtown at one point in ord camp. I sat down with some security researchers to find out the level of security difficulties in knowing what you can trust from. Your chip manufacturer factor. Chip manufacturer is Intel. Yeah that like there are even if you know the exact architecture chip you. He's still not be may not be able to find the vulnerabilities within it within your supply chain where the Fab and the ways in which it turns out you remember the Apple Memory League League where the the the bus was talking to the buffer memory and that was where the password being exposed. It's like that problem exists in everything we own across the entire higher world times a gazillion. It's terrifying. I'm glad you're talking about best practices off security. Well so the upshot is I as a result of this hack update the. We'll go into the next time we record probably is that I'm going to start doing to factor hardware So like you'll be key that south for at least like a primary account that is the and all catch all of all the other accounts so yeah it was. It was an interesting conversation and you can find. Let's do it now. It's up. It should be up now okay. This is next week. All right and the address again. Tech pod dot content dot town thanks.

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More Space Suits and Pooping in Space

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More Space Suits and Pooping in Space

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Is that the soviets Stopped using flight suits for a while in their so use capsules when they were first doing those. They decided to allow cosmonauts more freedom of movement and so they weren't wearing pressure suits and And rescue suits for a couple of missions. They did have a suit. That was a a a more advanced version of the birket suit that was used for the first soviet. Va which was only used up between two so us missions where the two capsules docked with each other and the That cosmonauts were able to beat one another when When they launched two missions in close succession beyond that they went without pressure suits until there was a tragic accident in which there was a depressurization a rapid depressurization incident that resulted in the death of all three cosmonauts aboard admission that then prompted the ussr to have a new requirement for the soviets To wear a pressure suit on the way up and that became the the so coal cosmos our so called k. And that basic suit has been in use ever since. So it's a a pressure suit. This meant to be worn inside a space craft particularly during critical. Like if you are taking offer landing not necessarily In just the normal operations once you're out in space you can get out of the suit but Yeah it's still to this day. The suits that are being used by russia no longer the soviet union. Obviously another thing. I wanted to mention is that while the spacesuit evolve from the flight suit. I don't mean to suggest that flight suits stopped evolving in that process and they definitely kept evolving over time so we had separate branches of evolution here and the flights of today are incredibly sophisticated and in some ways similar space suits but not identical and i also mentioned a couple of materials in that previous episode like nomex but didn't really go into detail about what that is so nomex is a proprietary material that the company dupont developed in the nineteen sixties ended it similar in many ways to nylon but it's a little more rigid and most importantly it is fire and heat resistant. So it's been used in uniforms outfits meant for all sorts of folks who are in dangerous environments and situations like race car drivers Firefighters and astronauts. No mix is a polymer which is a type of long chain molecule where you have the same repeated units chained together over and over and over again but it's a special kind of polymer it's called an aromatic polyamide polymer and you might think that means. This fabric must smell mice. But it's not that kind of romantic and chemistry. Aromatic means that the molecules in the chain connect as a series of rings rather than as a straight line of atoms that are chained together and the word polyamide means that these strings of molecules connect together to form chains of these chains and the molecular structure of nomex makes it a fairly tough material in fact. Kevlar which was also developed by dupont is a type of aromatic polyamide. Although it is a many ways very different from nomex but shares some of the same molecular structural components so nomex has some interesting properties. One is that nomex will burn if it is exposed to heat source. You know there's oxygen and all that comes if the triangle is there no mex- will burn but if it is removed from the heat source. The nomex will just stop burning. Thus it is is flame-resistant is not flame proof. But his flame-resistant also. It doesn't conduct heat very well so a suit of nomex can serve as a layer of protection against heat as. Let's get back to our story. So as i mentioned in our last episode on this situation on the subject i should say the space suits developed for the gemini or jimmy project were intended to serve as a sort of stopgap for the early part of the apollo program. There were planned missions that would test various elements of the apollo spacecraft and the launch vehicles in space suits and all that stuff and some of the early ones would not involve going beyond the orbit or exiting the capsule so in other words the apollo program while the goal was to get to the moon. It's not like we were supposed to be aiming straight for the moon right at the get go. It was all in stages so that we could learn more use what we learned to build upon that and then continue from there so the a one c spacesuit which was based off the jimmy or jim ni- three c. Model suit was to serve for this. I block of apollo missions also known as block one. Now i think i might have said that was based off the g. four c suit in monday's episode. And if i did that's totally a mistake on my part that's on me. The g. foresee suit was the jim suit that was designed for astronauts to go on spacewalks on extravehicular activities or v as the g. Three c suit had fewer layers of the g. four and was slightly more maneuverable as a result that and it was only intended to be used inside a spacecraft. It wasn't rated to be used outside so the a one. C was similar in design to that g three c the original first mission had the designation of a s two. Oh four and it was supposed to see gus grissom who had actually played a really big part in the development of space suits and ed white and roger chaffee test the apollo capsule in earth orbit emission. That was planned to last up to two weeks but tragically during a launch simulation test. There was this intense fire that erupted inside the capsule that and all three astronauts were strapped in the capsule and so they all three died as a result of this. The one onc- suit was made out of nylon which kind of lacked the the heat and flame resistance that you would find with nomex and it appeared as though the astronauts had attempted to follow emergency procedures to open the hatch of the capsule to escape but they were not able to do so the intensity of the fire kept the rescue crew at bay for several crucial minutes and this was exacerbated by fear that that fire could potentially lead to an explosion perhaps even involving the launch vehicle in addition to the capsule itself. So this was a terrible tragedy in the wake of that loss. Nasa canceled the rest of what was supposed to be the block. One crewed missions as the missions with cruise in them unless they crude. I do mean c. R. e. w. e. d. not crude as nc are you e. the a one c suit would never see use in outer space and from that tragedy. Nasa saw the need to make sure that the future space suits provided better protection against heat and fire. The second block of apollo missions would need suits designed for extravehicular activity. Because again the goal was to go to the moon and to get out and walk around so these would consist. I mean it really depends on how you look at it but two main components but honestly that's you could you could argue that the spacesuit was two components or you could argue it was lots of them. But you had the pressure suit assembly or the psa and you had the portable life support system or p. l. s. which is also known as the backpack because it was born that way collectively this entire get up was called the extravehicular mobility unit or emu. But we can break this down even further. So let's get to talking about these different components. What made them up all these different layers. Because there's a lot to go through. I you had the underwear. Now as one source put it was quote heavy duty space boxer briefs in quote that were also and i quote highly absorbent and they had a urine collection component to them which i will get to a bit later because who boy when you think about the people who pioneered space travel and you realize some of the stuff they had to go through you really get a different kind of appreciation for some of their. Let's let's call it sacrifices. As far as comfort get sanitation go next came an l. c. g. or liquid cooling garment so. This undergarment suit was made out of nylon and it used water in clear plastic tubing to cool the astronauts so imagine a suit that has this tubing. It's kinda leica. A water cooled. Pc in a way you have this. What the system of tubes that transports water all over the body of the astronaut in order to carry heat away from the astronauts so the air conditioned suits of the mercury and gemini eras really failed to keep astronauts at a comfortable temperature it became clear that astronauts were putting forth a lot more effort in their activities in space and generating a lot more heat and then the fact that these suits were so good at insulating meant that he would get trapped in there as well as the heat of the various electrical components inside the suit that was adding to it and air conditioning. Just wasn't cutting it so the new system would circulate water through these tubes under the suit carry body heat away so that the astronauts didn't get too hot and sweaty. Obviously sweating was a problem too. Because if you're wearing a helmet that sweat can start making the helmet fog up and then you've also got water vapor issue so this was all necessary stuff connected to the c. g. was a bio belt which was made out of a material called cotton. Duck it's kinda like Canvas like heavy canvas feels like that and the belt included pockets in which the various sensors and tools that were used to to monitor. Astronaut health were located These included signal processors to handle stuff like an e c signal or an electrocardiogram signal and cables connecting the sensors to the equipment in the belt. had to be snapped on to the c. Underneath with other sensors making direct contact with the astronauts and next came a pressure suit called the integrated thermal micro meteoroid garment or it mg which was made up of three major layers. The innermost layer was made a lightweight. Nylon and it included vents. The middle layer was neoprene coated nylon which was designed to keep pressure on the astronaut to help them manage the forces of acceleration without blacking out and was You know kind of an airtight sort of layer. The outermost layer was a tougher layer of nylon designed to restrain the pressurized layers so that they didn't balloon out and restrict movement. Too much remember. There's no pressure out in space. So if you have a lot of internal pressure in your system. It's naturally going to expand in an environment of low pressure so this was meant to curtail that a little bit. The it mg also had integrated boots so footy pajamas but for space then. There were Interwoven layers of mylar. And dak ron. That went on top of this. So mylar is a type of polyester film also known as oriented polyethylene tariff light and i feel like daffy duck trying to all that and i know i butchered it. This material has some really useful properties. It's going to really high melting point. It's got really good. tensile strength. And it is an electrical insulator. Those are all very useful and it can also serve as an effective thermal reflector. Meaning it can reflect heat as well as other types of radiation dak. Ron is the type of polyester fabric. Also made by the dupont company which infect also made mylar and it's its material that doesn't retain moisture which also makes it resistant to stuff like mold and mildew and it's often used in upholstery for furniture for those reasons so you very well have stuff in your home right now. That's made the same material that was part of space suits next came. A couple of layers of a material called captain k. a. p. t. o. n. Once again the dupont company was responsible for the development of captain which is a polyamide film that can remain stable across a very wide range of temperatures including the extreme temperatures that astronauts might experience on a space walk nasa would also use capped on layers in various space craft over the years for that very same reason then the outermost layers had coatings of teflon on them and they were made not by dupont by a company called kim. Moore's which was a company that spun off from dupont. Golly but this was to protect the suit. And obviously the astronauts inside the suits from scrapes and it was also capable of withstanding incredible temperatures and was given the name beta cloth. A lot of stuff on. Spacesuits would be made up of beta cloth because of how resistant it was too high temperatures. I've got more to say in fact a lot more to say about the apollo suits but first let's take a quick break. 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Only it would be more like if your sweater had to connect directly to your jacket so that you could get oxygen and water and that kind of stuff so very complicated and to get in you needed to kind of inter with your shoulders and hips kind of aligned together an it more or less the same way so you would have this the spacesuit essentially unfolded as you were getting in moving your arms into the the sleeves and your legs into the legs and feet of the suit. 'cause remember the suit itself does have its own integrated boots. It was tricky to do even with help. And obviously once you got into space. It was going to be much trickier once inside the suit. The asrat would need to connect the various elements between the l. c. g. the bio belt. And the it mg that outer suits and that sounds like it was probably a really tricky process to me then. The astronaut would use a long essentially a ribbon attached to the zipper and pulled zipper. Up and around So the zipper would go from the back of the neck. All the way down and around the the bottom of the crotch. So does it up. You would have to grab this this ribbon and kind of stretch your arms and everything in order to be able to pull that zipper up and around. You could obviously had help. That would change things dramatically. But if you are doing it by yourself. It was a heck of a thing and once in the suit. The astronaut would then put on the communications carrier assembly aka. the snoopy cap. This was a head covering that included the communications equipment like the microphone and headphones that the astronauts would need in order to communicate with the rest of their crew as well as those on mission control back on earth and this would plug into the main suit as well so you would have this head covering that connected directly to the rest of the suit then. You had a pair of gloves that interlocked with the arms of the suit and they're actually two different sets of gloves. A one set was used inside the spacecraft and hands made of rubber but for. Va missions. If you were to go out on say a lunar walk or a space walk you would wear a totally different set of gloves that had silicone fingertips and then the rest. The gloves were made of fabric. That was a type of stainless steel. Called chrome are and the gloves also extended to cover the locking mechanism at the wrists or the the version because they wanted to make sure that the metal in that that locking mechanism was kept insulated in case otherwise when exposed to space it might heat up or cool down too quickly and become brittle or potentially cause harm to the astronaut directly. Bill you know inside the suit. Finally you had a pressure helmet to put on. So you're already have the head covering but then you had to put a helmet on on top of that. This was made of polycarbonate and in the apollo days it was essentially like a clear bubble style helmet when going out on the moon. The astronauts had to add in an element called the lunar extravehicular visor assembly or l. e. v. a. leva which include the sun visor and components. That would protect the neck locking mechanism from temperatures. Can out of the way that the gloves had to protect the wrist locking areas the helmet had the same sort of thing for e. va's and there were also extra lunar boots that we need to put on on top of your suits integrated boots as well so overshoes really so you had your specific gauntlets or gloves that you had to put on your specific overshoes had to add to your suit and you had this special helmet assembly. The had to add on before you would leave the the lunar module in the case of a lunar landing and i mentioned the all the connectors on the suit The the front of the suit actually had six different connectors a that would attach to different life support systems. And you might wonder why do you have you know so many like why there six like you would think you really just need maybe three or four right like you would need one for oxygen intake you would lead one to take carbon dioxide away you would need one to help circulate the water may be to to to circulate water snow or up to what four all then. Maybe you need one more for electricity. Possibly right if you didn't have like an on board battery but you actually had more than that on this suit. And the reason was that the portable life support system that. I'll talk about a bit later in this episode It would only work in the vacuum of space. So when you put it on before you went out onto the moon you're on the lunar module. D got your your suited up. You've got your pl. Ss on your back. It would not provide life support until you depressurized the lunar module and then we're ready to go out on the moon so in order for you to continue to have life support you would have Connection directly to the lunar module that would provide life support to you and you would also have connections to the p. l. s. at the same time only the lunar module would act as your life support once it was depressurized. And you're ready to go out. Then you could switch over to the p. l. s. s. And you could disconnect the connectors to your suit that were connecting utilizing her module. So it was. You know just an important element. That was necessary in order to have this. The seamless transition of life support from one source to another on earth before connecting up to the space craft the astronauts would actually carry with them a portable ventilator unit connected to their suits kind of like carrying around your your own personal air conditioner in a way this provided some oxygen and cooling capabilities. But once they were getting into the apollo capsule they would disconnect from these portable hand held units and then connect to the at the apollo capsule itself to provide life. Support these were really big. They're really bulky. They were super heavy. I mean depending on what variation you're looking at like the light one before you had all the extra stuff on was weighing in at around sixty two pounds as i was just for the version that you would wear inside the capsule with i and the extra stuff on it if you were to take an e. v. a. you'd be looking at weight's going up to six pounds if you're going all the way out to the moon with all the additional units elliott components. You're looking at around one hundred eighty pounds of suit. You're wearing however keep in mind urine space so when you're in space like floating in orbit or whatever you're in microgravity so do not floating you're falling but you're in microgravity so you don't have to deal with weight so much you have to deal with mass but wait is not so much of an issue and then of course on the moon. Gravity is one sixth that of earth's so while you be wearing very bulky suit it would not feel super heavy to you speaking of the moon. Neil armstrong's suit had the designation as seven l. and the serial number zero five six and according to the smithsonian the estimated cost for. His suit was one hundred thousand dollars at the time. That was a lot of money back then. If we were to adjusted for inflation that would mean that the suit was more than half a million dollars to put together which is a pretty expensive suit. You know i mean. I've looked at some suits that are fairly expensive and said no way but they were not in the half million dollar range. I can tell you that. Also according to the smithsonian the space suits were hand built. They were stitched by hand with careful precision as even the tiniest could result in catastrophe. Obviously need these suits to be strong. Resilient the need to be able to keep pressure They needed to not allow oxygen to just escape the suit so it was critically important that all of these elements were put together with the utmost precision. At least it's were the most sophisticated spacesuits to date and on the front part of the tour so like i said there were those six connectors that related to life support. There was a a water connector and electrical connector and then you had the four gas connectors for oxygen. Which as i mentioned were doubled up so that you could go from the lunar module life support system to the p. l. s. system It also had lots pockets. Like i like to think that the first astronaut to try these on yelled it has pockets because there were pockets for like everything very specific pockets like there was a specific pocket for pencils and pen lights and a specific pocket for scissors and they're even was a pocket for sunglasses. It had a pressure relief valve on the left arm of the suit and a pressure gauge on the right arm. Fancy stuff but that's the low down on the apollo suits and now we need to talk about something else. A delicate subject one that ended up being critically imported And it's about when you have to the bathroom see. The gemini missions were impart steppingstone toward the apollo missions. That would take astronauts to the moon and those trips have to last a good long time. The gemini missions like the longest one lasted almost two weeks. Sooner or later you gotta go the bathroom. But when you're wearing a spacesuit like the ones i've described and you're in a tight capsule doesn't have lost space and it can take a lot of time to get in and out of that space suit and also this capsule by the way does not have a toilet. How do you go to the bathroom. The answer as it turns out. Ain't pretty folks. So i'd say prepare yourselves but i'm not sure anything's going to prepare you for what's to come. So let's let's take a step back before we get into it because way back. When alan shepherd was getting ready to go into space to become the first american in space not the first person you're a garin had done it already for the soviet union a month earlier but when he was ready to go in to space and be the first american in space in a mercury space capsule then river. Mercury was just before jimmy which again was before apollo. He was sitting there on his back inside the capsule on top of the launch vehicle on the launch pad. When he really had to go pee now. This mission was only supposed to last fifteen minutes from launch to touchdown which meant that. Everyone at nasa. Figured there'd be no need to worry about this kind of thing. 'cause it's fifteen minutes you can hold it for fifteen minutes. But shepherd had been strapped into his suit and been in the mercury capsule for several hours while waiting for these various delays. To clear up where you know the launch had been set back a couple of hours and making matters worse he had had four cups of coffee the morning of his launch so naturally as those delays began to pile up he began to feel the call of nature and the call was urgent. He had to pee. Well there's no getting out of the suit. Because as tiny as the apollo capsule was carried three astronauts in it at a time the mercury which was single astronaut capsule was particularly tiny essentially. It was a chair surrounded by electronic components in very tight quarters. There was no getting out of the capsule at least not without scrapping the whole mission so he just you know decided he to go with the flow as any need to pee in his suit actually actually had to request permission to do this because no one had really thought about this yet and they weren't entirely sure that this was going to be safe to do. I mean you're talking about a suit that also has components that attached to life support. There's alive electron equipment there so this was a new and urgent problem and reportedly an engineer named gordon. Cooper was on the receiving end of this request. Which will become important later. And this is the sort of stuff in history books that you tend to not discover. They tend to leave this part out but he got permission to see to matters and he went himself before his flight because he had no other option and keep in mind. He was seated with his. You know his back is is to the ground right. Because you're seated in a where you're you're facing straight up so it all just kind of pooled behind him. Yeah not pleasant. Well when we come back. We'll talk a little bit about how nasa decided to try and tackle this potentially crappy problem but first let's take a quick break. Careerbuilder is made for people. Who have that thing you know those superpowers that make you good at your job. 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Astronaut gordon cooper was to be in orbit for more than twenty four hours and so nasa designed a system that included the in suit urine collection bag that was in term going to eventually be incorporated into the heavy duty space boxer briefs that talked about before and extending from this bag was a plastic tube that ended in a quick connector. There was a fly on the suit like a zipper. Fly on the front of the suit. So cooper could unzip a suit pull out this tube with the connector on the end of it then attach align with the other half of the connector to it. This line also had a pump attached to it. Cooper could activate that pump by hand. Then he would come the p out of the in suit bag through this line to a collection bag. Then he was supposed to put the collection bag under his seat. Because nasa was really interested in learning more about that p and that was the first space toilet sort of it was called the mercury atlas nine or m a nine urination system. Glamorous right and you might remember earlier in this episode. I said that. Gordon cooper was the person who was actually on the other end of the communications channel when al shepherd had to request permission to pee in his suit for that first mercury mission. Well on cooper's flight shepherd was the guy who was on the other end of the communications channel and Actually played a little bit of a prank. On on. Cooper shepard went to the capsule before cooper was born it and put a little toilet plunger in the seat of the capsule with tags attached. That said remove before flight. Just kind of a fun story of astronauts razan each other but the gym and i project proved that even more thought was going to have to be put forward to this because the longest of the gemini missions was to last two weeks in space while nasa tried putting astronauts on a diet would hopefully produce the least amount of solid waste. Well sometimes the best laid plans. Just freaking go a glade. Don't they while the hope was that by using these foods with a very low fiber content. They would just you know. Avoid the need for the astronauts to have that type of evacuation they could pee into the bags but hopefully they would not need to poop but That would not be the case now. They did have a slightly more sophisticated urine collection device. Which on casual glance. Because i looked at a picture this thing kind of like across between a lightsaber and a set of bagpipes. And i know that sounds confusing. But just imagine a device. That at one end has a condom. It's over the astronauts operating equipment keeping in mind that again at this point in history. All the astronauts were meal and then through a series of vowels the There was a connection to a collections bag to to pick up all the p and the astronauts were meant to store these bags of p under their seats or actually to use them to vent them out into space. You would actually connect the bag to a connector on the spacecraft opened up a channel and the urine would vent into space and would instantly crystallize upon exiting the capsule. There's actually video footage of this where you can see. The formation of the crystals as the p. is being vented out into space so that that footage exists. If you want to check it out anyway for the jimmy or jimmie seven mission. The astronauts were to be in space for nearly two weeks and jim level and frank borman where the astronauts on board that historic flight. Unfortunately despite the low fiber diet lovell felt the need to go poo when they are still several days left in the mission and so he went like there wasn't really any real option to do anything else so he he pooped his suit and that experience taught nasa that something else was going to need to be done for apollo because those missions we also going to be very long to get out to the moon and come back but if you think that that's something was to include a toilet on the apollo capsule well you're wrong because it was way too late in the game to figure that out so instead there needs to be some sort of equipment the astronauts could have to deal with the issue and a an actual process for them to follow and well. There wasn't enough space in the capsule to carry something really sophisticated and now we come to the poop in a bag part of our. Yes so the poop collection equipment consisted of a bag with some adhesive around the rim of the opening. So you were essentially taping the bag to your backside and creating seal otherwise. Well you're gonna have poop fly all over the place in microgravity and spoiler alert. That actually did happen. And kind of a crappy flight experience. We asked me anyway. according to what. I've read the procedure doing this involved. The astronaut who needed to go to the bathroom moving to one side of the capsule the other two being as far away as they possibly could be from the third that was not particularly far in the apollo capsule then. The astronaut who needed to go would have to get out of a suit like all of his suit stripping down naked. Which as i'm sure you've gathered requires a pretty good amount of work. Then he would need to adhere the defecation collections system. Or you know. The poop bag to his posterior. The bag also included a flap of plastic. And you would put your fingers into this flap of plastic kinda like you know like a like a plastic glove for a couple of fingers because okay so there's no gravity in space or other microgravity. It's like you're constantly falling so the effect to us is that we're floating weightless right. Gravity is typically what causes the separation of poop from. You know us when we poop. Gravity is helps us out and that matter and That meant there needed to be something there. So that the astronauts could you know effectively using gloved fingers make that separation happen manually. Yeah i know this is gross and once done the astronauts would need to use a special antimicrobial tablet that would be inserted into this bag and broken up so that The the tablet would kill off the microbes in there. And you had to mix this like by squishing this bag. Apu and microbial tablets are anti microbial tablets because otherwise the microbes in the pu might generate various gasses and that could eventually cause bags to over inflate and potentially rupture which is super gross and dangerous because otherwise microbials in the poop could start to generate various gasses that could cause the bags to inflate over time potentially to the point where they would rupture which is a pretty big you so tablets were meant to prevent that from happening by killing off the bacteria and once all that was done. The bag was sealed and stowed away. The astronaut could go back through the process of getting back into their their flight suit. The whole process could take upwards of an hour and the astronauts hated doing it for obvious reasons and they would frequently hold off for as long as they possibly could before having to give into the call of nature and yet there were incidents of rogue pope who in capsules i mean apollo nine was one such mission their actual communication logs no pun intended the talk about a floating third in the capsule. 'cause sometimes being a hero gets pretty darned gross after apollo a lot of work would go into creating you know other systems to make it easier to go to the bathroom in space or at least a little less unpleasant if not actually easier but we're not gonna go into all of those because really the only reason i wanted to cover it here was because it was coinciding with the evolution of the space suit and the to play the part with one another. So let's get back to apollo and cover up a couple little brief things. The whole purpose of the apollo missions was again to get astronauts to the moon and that would mean that any astronaut taking a moonwalk would need to have their own life support system connected to their suit and on board the capsule. it wouldn't be a problem. The spacecraft provided all life support but now on the moon the job would fall to the p. l. s. s. or the portable life support system. That is where we will pick up in our next episode to talk about the p. l. s. s. talk about the further evolution of the space suit including how it then evolved into the type that was used aboard the space shuttle and the kind that's used on. The international space station will also talk about the proposals that have been in various forms of production since then and about the the the proposed design of the future spacesuit the one that unfortunately means that the artist program is going to be delayed by at least a year. But we'll get into that into the next episode. 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Spot and Parasite SPOILERCAST - Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project - 2/4/20

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Go there and get some of of his incredible NASA stuff really good replicas of NASA hardware and software and clothing Is Hard to come by a lot of bad replicas out there but these guys are doing amazing it's for you who would be discerning about equality of a meatball patch. I totally yes. So for instance met Max. You'll notice notice that will you will notice. He literally bought an old seventies factor base machine and backs us with cheese cloth like the originals as Shitty as the early patches. All refined like Maude is done with punch cards on ancient pre computer computer. So that's the level of fidelity he brings and missing blue the same fabric as the jacket. I it's very close to the same kind of dwelt jackets made but you didn't know is that we prepared an enema. Another room mercury training as soon as putting a right stuff Scott Glen. Yeah Scott Glen sits there with the ETIMA. Yeah that does the Jose Jimenez. It's a it's it. Plays Gus grissom right. I believe Alan Shepherd. No grissom is played by Fred Ward Oh right so it must be it must have been I think. Scott Glen Plays Carpenter but I could be wrong. I can't remember the problem with that. Movie is a lot of those guys look alike because they're all middle aged white guy with also suburban great actress Lance Henriksen buried. Forget all these amazing people probably fifteen years. I watched it last year really holds up. The book is one of my like in the top like the new journalism Tom. Wolfe can key hunter S. Thompson is riveting. I didn't read it until Jen. Schachter told me to read it and by the way in the movie when they're walking down the long hallway. You know where that was shot now was shot on Third Street and twenty second bucket here in San Francisco. Yes so a colossal pictures which is down off of Quin street where I worked with Jamie Hyneman in the early nineties colossal pictures in in the eighties eighties when they made the right stuff did all the special effects and when they needed that long hallway. Shot there's that long factory building in Dog Patch on the east side of third. St The American building is a twelve hundred foot long hallway. And that's where we're revision. Three's to be so how excited Cisco you never know film here as well. We're recording. It's a weird way. You're listening this but in San Francisco as you're listening Mr filming the Matrix for what. Yep they're making making the Chow Skis. He's are making the fourth way trix right now. And it's I know downtown San Francisco. You got to remind me after this podcast. I've got to reach out to people the House keys and see if we can't get tested on that we need to really tested listener working on this production I'm coming for you awesome awesome. Yeah we'll bring cameras or even not bring cameras. We just show up with coffee nor nor a good grip robot. That's really really exciting and we could bring a robot. I know that was a good segue purpose Klein. Wow Hey Jesus awesome recorded episode but we have a boss Nynex spot robot. We do have one that for this whole year for this whole year. We are developing for him. We're going to give him some new skills and we are going to also help him walk out of the Uncanny Valley hopefully so that he doesn't creep people out because because when I see spot I see a magnificent piece of engineering and a solution to really interesting problems that we might not have even encountered yet and I I see a future that I like a lot of people when they see spot. They see a different narrative. And I get it. I get why they see that narrative and I know that they're affected by things like metalhead. Beautiful season four episode of Black Mirror by. I would like everyone to see the engineering defeat that I witnessed. We're trying to get on the good side of the robots. It's a fascinating thing because we all of us over the past decade or so have seen the videos that Bosnia namic says put out and spot is of DNA but it's not the atlas robot. It's not the BIPEDAL robot dogs not big jaw. Dog has a very specific purpose. Now inherits a lot of the engineering and design philosophy. That went into those but this is this is for very specific purpose. It is for surveying. It's four constructions for Industry News. It's a tool and it's a it's a you know and it is. It's very much a tool with very few attachments right now. Like it doesn't map the room. It looks at the ground in front of it and figure out how to move over it without incident. It took me a couple of weeks of having it here. The had it now for a month. Yeah it took me a while to rouse. They didn't have to steer it away from things it moves in. has its own sense appropriate. Greece I was just shocked. Navigate your shop. Yeah this is I look at this room. It's a nightmare for humans. Much less you know. Yeah but does it fairly handling. That's something that we've video out and you should watch the video because we did take it to one of your favorite places to bomb randomly and really try to put through places because it is. That's open area right. The violent where spot would likely operate of. But I don't think people understand. It's both physically a controlled with manual control. I can't be menu so there. Is this controller the screen. It's essentially an android tablet with two sticks almost like a video game controller and you can use a Tuesday control to to pilot. It been looked at the screen on the cat. And you're seeing what spot seats. You're seeing the view of the world that he is witnessing. So it has kind of structured light sensor so infrared and in visions these As Rocky y going on. I don't think there's any lighter actually red light itself him back right so it's very much. Like the MC soft connect or the Intel real sense cameras and has an array of those all round. So that's where I think. The magic check in is how easily it lets you control it. Direct it without having to think about things like ops bumps into this thing like. How's it going to make it over that obstacle tickle when you were showing it to me and you just tapped on a section of the floor from your shop of the shop to buy the pool table and just like okay I got this walked over there and kind of shimmied meet over to the left to avoid an obstacle and then walked around and then got to wear it was supposed to be and then you did the same thing by backing it up and I was just like? Oh okay. This is this. This works exp better than I expected. you know. The folks have been friends of mine for a few years. And we've had a lot of time to to get to know each other and I've been seeing. I've been following their progress actually since the early nineties. That's the first time Mark Roberts early work came across my came across my contention and it's so exciting to have him here. We turn them on every day. We play around with different things. We have a whole bunch of different plans for him And just like any good. TV show there are some things we WANNA do. That are part of an overall plot and there are some bottle episodes. I even have an idea for helping him to poop perhaps even better okay but yeah the video. The first video is up is a is a little taste and I'm very excited excited. How well a video has done? I think that the response I mean. There's a response online. Also the response person. I won't talk about. Both of those people have already come up by watching the video with a a lot of like the same direction they know when they see you and spots. Of course there's going to be pure caused by cosmic. We're thinking in those terms right but I mean one of the lovely things about producing a series like we are currently producing is we expe. Occasions are and it's really fun to both meet them and change them in modified them. That's actually some of the most fun of the storytelling and then spot in the wild which we haven't shown like you were able like you've walked the streets of the commission. Yeah with spot. Yeah Tom Talk about that. We were the first day we had him at the end of that day. I WanNa take them home. I want to run him around my house. It's got to climb the stairs is my house. It's so It was raining and he is relatively water resistant and we walked him from here to the House. It's a a few blocks and I mean most PLAC- a him just feels right ISH I. It's sort of a default okay. I'm being very open to the character of spot I have also yesterday I was calling she okay and I also May. I started playing around in my head with awesome acronyms or ideas about a name. That could be specific. Tim People keep asking. What's what's the name and my feeling is unless and until right like something something if something that naturally occurs it will occur? If it doesn't it doesn't but people they see it on the street next immediately. Their phones like holy cow like just watching it. The best is children seeing it like. It's not like children. Have a great scope of all the things that are going on in the world but they see this thing hang on the street and they can tell something really remarkable is having in front of them and their brains kind of like the smile of. It's the it's the look on kids spaces. They got when they get went to maker Faire. Like you're walking around making artesia rolling up door. I this is real so call all the thing that I wanNA tease. Before we move off of spot is that with the things we want to do with him this year. We are rounding up a number of collaborators elaborate to help in this endeavor that is truly exciting in old colleagues by and friends and people I admire goes far to say like a lot of people. We know work in the business of imagining the future whether it's actually building the machines and engineering or even just conceptually in terms of artistic world and Dan and what the future means to us as individuals how we respond to it. What we expect from it and what we don't expect and some of the best responses have introducing spot to those folks who have done nothing who've dedicated so much of their career imagining just from a theoretical or artistic standpoint? You know whether it's the way a robot bought moves or the weight should look and they are coming in contact with something that is of their imagined world. Yeah and that is super cool really because they don't have worry about the engineering when they're when they're coming up with those stories right so we're taking a piece of a science fiction in the real world real world have intersected in a in a really thrilling you you saw it in the video. I don't know I mean it must have been intentional. But the way when when any of US operate our natural inclination is try try to puppet it spot has has a head tilt and I don't know it has a functional purpose in terms of the way the legs and move and move around things but we all want want to kind of give it the headset. have it like perch up and sit And that's Portland. Some of the most fun we've had so far indeed indeed and I mean and we haven't even started to play with kinetics of how moves and that's definitely going to be something we we delve into. I I can't wait to see more. It's been fascinating watching. We're already cutting video. The number two right now yes I should be out in hopefully a couple like a week or two at most by turn into this. I actually think we now have the two videos after that already. The plan so we're good till like May June even having executing sorry didn't mean to clip their. Hey you've been recently. I saw you post it on twitter. Or maybe it was up for conversation. But you've been enjoying the criterion collection Indeed a Peter Becker who is runs. The Criterion Korean Channel Organization criterion collection is a friend of mine and I put a plum job that must be. He's a wonderful guy and he loves film so much. I interviewed Guillermo del Toro for him. For the criterion I don't think it's a plum job. I think it's a stressful truffle. As heck because it's so subjective in all I'm sure nothing everything here's why isn't this film in there. I mean sure. I'm sure that but then when you look at the channel you see all the different ways he's intersected different directors with other directors to talk about film to really go into the depth of how this came to be why this is important. What is it means needs culturally what it means is you know? Plot wise from Armageddon. His Ardoz Link will say having a Samsung television. It was hard to get the the criteria on general APP on Samsung. They don't play together right now. And this is part of this weird sequester who owns the standard landscape can we. Can we talk about this. I I'm GonNa tell you what my face was if you have a Samsung TV. Here's what works. It's not enough to just sign up for the ROKU ROKU APP on the Samsung APPs. You actually have to get an External Roku stick twenty five bucks. Attach that to your Samsung. It's like TV but once you do you don't need to use the ROKU remote. Your Samsung remote will operate the channel. Just fine which is that as I I see stuff does that. Yeah and then I've been I've been obsessed with it so actually I said the night Huxley passed. I wanted a mood of film so I watched watched one car wise in the mood for love which was exactly the right thing for me at that moment in time last night when I couldn't get sleep because my sleep patterns are still abysmal. Ruin my watch most of the original heist film which is a French new wave film. That maybe don't know if it's new wave exactly but it's like from that era ish and in the middle all is an hour long heist with no dialogue and it's absolutely riveting. ooh Yeah No. It's this it's you're watching something really special and you see so all many movies have borrowed from this since then from the bank. Job With Jason. Statham do films I so I haven't before we go on about criterion. I have real concerns about the APPS built into. TV's especially on low end models that are priced at an incredibly incredibly low low price rain. Yeah you think that's a way that people are GonNa hang more for cable and all that no they're collecting data. They're collecting data about what. Oh you watch what you play. What things you use your TV for? And I think even maybe we solve an apple. TV Den right right like that's the thing we used. Because I kind of trust Apple Apple with privacy stuff but anyway tilling off. It's justified or not. I don't know if I'd be interested here. What people think? I'm bringing it up because I don't know anything about it. I haven't I haven't done the research. We were working on an episode of Tech Pot about that and I would love to get feedback from people who maybe no more Then you can hit me on twitter or comments read comments in criterion had to spin up their own service risk because previously. They were part of film struck. We've championed that before. Fortunately when away and this was the sponsor that to to take that collection the licenses says they have to allow you to watch the selection of film otherwise you would not be able to find anywhere. It's been spectacularly successful for the and good mm so has been really really stunning and seriously if you're wondering whether you should sign up for criterion you do. It's a stunning film. Education in a channel channel with beautiful prints. Really like it's just great. It's like I'm just cracking the surface. I know it was live yet. So I'M GONNA go as as soon as I get home. You'RE GONNA yeah one film that's going to be on there. I'm sure at some time and I don't I love to get him on the PODCASTS. At the more talk about yet. The curation ration- Prospect Siamese Sierra totally have on the podcast and ask him when is movie like parasite going to hit the criterion collection and Bunk joon-ho interviewed a bunch on on in different in different things on this. Thanks for the was. It really really seems. We've been wanting to talk about parasite for weeks and the holdout has been. I'm so we will just refer to them as suspect W I. I think you're aware wolf. I've only ever been aware we'll one. That's what that's where Wolf Talkradio. But let me tell you. When I was the Werewolf it was here? We did a huge night of Werewolf Games ames here in the cave. Ben Ha and a bunch of other folks. Harper Harper was here and my son think too was playing with us and he was like nineteen at the time and the only time I was aware of he could tell I was the werewolf because he was the senior and I somehow managed to convince people that not only was I not aware of but but he was not the Sierra and unhinged him being so duplicitous. He likes slammed by in competition. We play one night ultimate which is basically no sleeps. You just do you get one one night of where wolf and then it's done. They built a bunch of extra rules. So that you can get all the information you need on one pass. Oh Oh my God and I will bring a copy of that as well. It is phenomenal. It's great for people who don't play with like five four people. We played with my seven year old spectacular watching her learn how to be duplicitous and detect duplicitous. Well and seven is just about the age kids. Start to be able to hold competing eating concepts in their head. We've talked about this before I played my when they were seven. I've played them. WHO's on first right and watching? They're hungry little. Brains grabbed these. The tensions of language and enjoy them is super. Nobody appreciates a terrible pun. A seven-year-old not not a parasite. I've been dying to talk about this film. Because so ben acker friend of the channel and good friend of mine half of Akron Blacker the writers of thrilling adventure adventure our many other things human being one of the things I love. We all know help. Fund is to talk to screenwriters about film right here. What someone who is immersed I in the mechanics of it thinks about very one of the things? I love about Ben in the way he talks about it is. It's always about character for him character character character. He doesn't give a shit about plots if it's not what about the characters and what. They're what was actually happening because of the characters and it took me forty years to get to that spot just for the record and parasite is the one of the most interesting character films. I have ever seen in terms of what you think about the people on screen where you're alliances fall. How you feel about the characters actors it is? I have never felt so much tension and such a thrill over just thinking what the Hell is going to happen next and yes and now. We're not gonNA do heavy spoilers. Actually it's not to spoilers. Spread the little girl okay. We'll get spoilers. The movie you undoubtedly horror film. It's a thriller by the way just before we even get to spoilers even talking generally about the film is is. It's a tiny bit of a spoiler. I would recommend that if you really are excited about seeing it maybe turn this off now because the less you know the more liberal than the film is the second time because I'm sure it's a whole different experience in theaters in the states because of the Oscar campaign so it his hat on a hat though. Which is the convention to say that you know they take something literal and and it? It is also the metaphor so the fact that people live there is a class system. People literally live under people. Yeah like also they live under people and writers and he in embrace that and it's heavy handed enough yet but they're still so many layers to pull back and you know so there are key you see every time you meet the character. He plays bunk. joon-ho is the director who directed OCTA and Snow Piercer. Here Sir and he plays with all of your expectations all the time. You meet a new character anything. Oh I think they're kind of like this and then you find out. Oh no no. They're totally the opposite of that. Actually they're also like that The two families and the film was talking about the the main repair tackiness. No family family the domain protect families a husband and a wife and their son in their their adult son and adult daughter and the son is a university student and the daughter is is not yet. It's unclear it's unclear. It's unclear May I. There's no there's there's not even a turn to suggest that they're actually related these four. I I that was unclear to me for pretty substantial part of the film I submit that they might not be and that the film I see that point I think that the the bond that they have and the the maybe the cultural need for like you know fought the frontal children relationship a is there. I totally get that. But but there's a way in which the the conventions that get played out in the film feels so subverted that go all the way to maybe that family family and the other family is a very well family. Yeah so the Kim family's the the poor family and then the the wealthy families the park family and part family lives in this amazing architectural masterpiece of a house which was completely constructed. Set up completely constructed outdoor set because wear where light falls in. I lines like bunk. Juno had diagrams in the script as he was writing about islands from the staircase to the kitchen to the thing the thing and there was they look for a house and very quickly realized they weren't GonNa find it and then they went to the lot where they built the house and spent days tracking where the Sun was going and built the orientation of the house is to accommodate for the sun based on the plot while right. Wow this set of the Kim him family. That entire street is a set. Yeah well that I can see because the way they were they were doing on it and the but yet only why. But it's not only it was. The entire street is set but apparently they were going around to like wrecking yards and dumps and other places and buying chunks of the city to make the set feel all super realistic. These old signs old doors and old windows. I mean we lived in a lot here but it it's definitely it has been lived in and then some d. idea that it every space that you pretty much every space that you're witnessing in that film is a space completely constructed is kind of astounding well and the different locations nations have entirely different. The most shot like different films right like the basements basement said his shot in a very grungy kind of turn kind of way And I was GONNA say like a seventies seventies like a pal and pack Ula film. Yeah whereas other the expensive home is shot almost almost like like the. I like not Michael Bay film but you know how the island had that whole gold. Now the whole thing felt like it was shot in the Golden Hour. It's terrible Gregor Film. The Governor Michael. It's a bad film. I have Michael Bay. It was Michael Bay. Wow but I like the whole shot. Golden Golden Hours. All glow in the whole house feels like you're in a in a higher plane which I guess there's a precision into it from the set design to the Sim Socrates. Even the acting. That's not naturalist like they are very precise it's intense rotations. Everything I imagine. I don't I don't know it's Miami of David fincher right movie. Yeah and hearing about how they would go and century and you're right you're completely right word up Cherian. Yeah that'd be like offense or David finch see also see also the Goldfinch also Peter finch. It's tough to talk about it without talking about. This is the the big moments so it's a film in which these two families intersect and it is. The intersection is mostly about class. uh-huh more than it is about sexuality or romance or friendship however those all play some role in it. But it's really deeply about class to me. That's what I took away from it and I'm not actually sure what the film stance on class is right. That's it's the kind of the big you ity that's baked right into the entire thing or who who. You're supposed to be rooting for your moment. I do ever feel like I should be rooting for anyone. Everyone felt like they were. Everyone felt. Everyone was unsympathetic to me. The film has a momentum in the first son. Third The Sun. Yeah yeah the Kim Sun. Yeah no the park son. Enough Park is the rich family. So the Kim Yeah I would agree with the birthday boy boy. Yeah he's about the most unsullied character in the entire. I I would say the two part kids are the are the victims of this whole thing. I'm curious about that more. But there's a momentum in the first half of the film where these things are falling into place and you watch it almost like a heist film in planning and the execution feels revel in Asia and in the same way that a heist film is super thrilling. Because you just are super excited see. What's right around? The corner is more like a manners. Drama in which it has the same tension constantly but the attention builds up to a point. where it you know? I'm describe a scene. Where they're they're drinking and they're eating food and they're celebrating reveling in success of their plot with a bringing the venue venue that they're in down to their level and that is so stressful to watch just a simple seed of a family eating dinner? You are like on the couch and contortions Russians with tension even before the moment happens for the Telegraph. And it's something that scene last longer than I could take so long long like the basement scene from inglorious bastards. That's what it's like. It's almost that amount of input you're sitting there and you're like I do not I do not one could things to happen to these people but I also don't want like the thing that's bad is going to be real bad. Julia had to tell me to stop moving because I was like and then he throws a curve ball at you right after that moment. What a win? And then the film Co. goes into complete even direction. Oh my yeah. And that's only only one of the ways. The film goes into complete direction before we continue on with the show. I won't let you know that support for still entitled comes this week from Microsoft surface. Introducing the new you Microsoft surface laptop three with its beautiful touchscreen. You'll experience stunning graphics with razor sharp resolution now available with a thirteen and a half or fifteen inch screen and with the latest processors. There's no project. The surface laptop can't handle. It's both light and powerful soon. Get more done on the go. Oh visit surface dot com slash laptop three to learn more. That's surface dot com slash laptop. Three now back to the show. I think it's time I'm to talk about this okay. So if you're at all interested in seeing a parasite turn this off now. The less you know the better now I say say that thinking that movies like since and seven and fight club are way better when you know what's going on. I actually think that they're improved by having watched them once Of course the second time is so. I'm I'm really. I'm really looking forward to seeing press a second time but the like so parasites starts off like any normal. We'll film you're meeting somebody. They're having a conversation with somebody else in a young a young man gets a job tutoring a kid that's how it begins And he goes so The young man is of the Kim family and he goes to tutor the son of the park family. Who He's been told is a brilliant artist who needs some real direction And it's clear. He learned the teaching the daughter to write reading speaking English. Oh right assisted senior brilliant kid who's got. Add Yes Jessica ESCA. Yes okay. So He's teaching the daughter that's Freia. Yeah and he. He gets that job from being passed from a friend right reference a friend Who wants to date the daughter when she's older? There's that's I'm being unpacking that the way in which he hold that there's already a plot. which which is that? His friend WHO's accessible handsome university student is about to go abroad for a year. Wants to eventually ask this sixteen year old girl out. But he's giving the job of tutoring her to his friend who trusts and and he. The friend also sets the stage with the family. which is the mothers in charge? But maybe not the the brightest or simple. I think what he says. It's what the translation is at least but the whole time this Kim families hustling the folding of pizza boxes. This is the whole thing in this dingy apartment. That is literally below street level. Where they're you know they're stealing Wi fi? There's a moment in the beginning when he says the street fumigators guys coming around and they're like. Hey the fumigated guys coming to shut the windows and the Father Says No. We'll get a free fumigation if we live the windows open and they're folding pizza boxes in coughing and holding their breath and it is. It's horrifying it is maybe some of them. I was five minutes into the movie the and I thought this is some of the most efficient character building. I have ever seen a friend of mine. WHO's a screenwriter? He his favourite character-building sequence sequence. Is the scene. In Grosse Pointe Blank when John Cusak goes to his father's grave and empties bottled Scott drives away. No words are spoken. You know everything everything you need to know. And the entirety of parasite feels like that level of character precision. It's dense in the way. That watchmen is dense so the sun goes it starts tutoring and the mother is then talking about her other child. A younger son is hard to control. Your right sorry and then they see an opportunity to then bring more of the family in so not. This is where the the the kind of that there's more to this family right. Yeah sister shows up up. The Kim's sister shows up and pretends to be an art therapist at this point. I'm thinking oh I'm watching the sting right right right. I'm thinking Oh this is GonNa this is like a heist that's GonNa wrap around itself and some stuff's going to happen. It's going to be a lovable rob through you know. They're they're going to somehow career replace the family. Yeah so so that goes on for a little while and then They managed to get rid of the south many. No they get rid of the show I I yeah manages to pull a little scam. Have the suspicion thrown on the show for so that they can install the Kim's dad and as the new show for now there's three of the four family members working for the parks family when they then reveal that the most difficult to replace. We'll be the housekeeper right. Came with the House who came with the House. The House is built in the film that houses built by famous architect. Who lived in it until he died? He no he sold. It sold eight in his life but he bequeathed equipped his housekeeper to the new family. And the Kim family's talking about home and she's there before them she's lover. That's her house she is she. He seems really She seems a little flaky. But she's tenacious like they recognize. She's a foul and I remember thinking she's a faux. Wait a minute what she seemed just like a goofy did uh-huh yeah and just to be clear. There's nothing evil that happens in this film really up until the point that the daughter gets the chauffeur sacked this true. Yeah Yeah Yeah and then you're like Oh man seeing you're seeing. What looks like opportunism opportunism up until that point and then it gets militias? Yeah so they get the respect the housekeeper sacked and that's when it reaches the apex of their success. Mom comes in so that well. So the the they get the housekeeper sacked and the mob on comes in to replace the housekeeper now all four Kim's working for the parks and the parks have no idea that relate a threat. Well the sun does this son does. This is one of my favorites bits else. What's so good? How do you convey this on film? The Sun walks over to one of the Kim's and sniffs him and then goes over to another team and sniffs them and and says to his fam- his parents the parks they smell the same and they smell. They smelt like my art tutor as well and that is another hat and a hat because is not only is he conveying that that he recognizes and he's telegraphing that you he the familiar to each other but they are the same people they are porous. Is there and this is when you immediately. Cut back to the KEMP's back at home realizing that they are going to all need to shower with different products and cross pollinate. And that's when you realise they're deeply committed to this ruse and to taking it very very far and so very shortly after that the the rich family. If we hadn't made this clear departure super rich that Kim superport the parks. Emily goes on a on a camping trip and now the Kim's are sitting in the house. As if it's there's enjoying this big Chinese meal sorry this big big dinner yes of takeout in the middle of the living room making a mess making a super for big Mac and making bottles stealing booze the whole thing. Yeah right and then the housekeeper comes back. The doorbell rings and it's the housekeeper who they've gotten rid of of because of her garlic allergy teaches teaches fuzz. They told her they they they they. They framed her for having TB and the housekeeper says recognizes them and says not as I I know what type of person you are you are and it's not. I'm not here for retribution. I'm not here. I recognize the game. That you've played and you've played it. Well I'm here for another purpose. Left something and left something in the bathroom and literally they go underneath the House House into a bunker and and this is where everything from her ringing. The doorbell like all ready watching the Kim's eat dinner in. This House is super. I wrestle. We're waiting for something to happen in Bell Rings and it gets much worse and the doorbell rings and it's the housekeeper like what is housekeeper. And then she goes downstairs and it turns out that downstairs. There's a secret door and her husband's been living underground in this house for. I'd like to run hiding from predators. Exactly yes in Pitch Black and this is where it gets very Kafka ask like. He's he isn't a career or something is thing. What's that hiding from creditors? And a anyway I don't know yeah. Fear right of survival and you realize not. Only like his character isn't just that it's not just the plot of him needing hi. It's that he has become this ghost in the house where he serves a purpose receives sir. He serves knowingly for the parks. Like Park don't know he's there but he turns on their lights. Wait what yeah. Mrs Missus. Their lights blink. All over the place it's rating the lights from underground. When the head of the park mark household comes home every day saying when we go deeper into this plot out you see the lights come on you? Assume it's just like a room sensing light and that's what they assume to you. You realize it's this man who's been living underneath a house literally turning on lights and he runs to have to do it every time and he has become a little a ghost in this house and watch this when I hadn't slept in thirty hours. Watch it again. And so and that performance formats of that guy so later on its review you hear that the the the Young Park Sun brilliant one who's got. Add that the sister there is pretending to be an art therapist for You've heard that he had a trauma at a birthday where he saw a ghost. And you hear about this. And then it slowly dawned needed. Of course the ghost must be the husband who lives in the basement and then there's a point in the film when the camera flashes back to what the sun saw at the birthday chilies. You're looking at the stairs to the basement which already been like a character in the film and it's late at night it's classic kids when you're a little child you're scared of what's in the basement and it's late at night. He's going to find some food in the fridge. And this is when the husband would steal some food they show the black the the the the the emptiness of the cavity of the stairwell and what emerges ours is and the thing about about the shot is that you've met this guy you know. He looks weird and he's got an intense face in his eyes are really upsetting and still that does not even. I know you've spent time with this character. This flashback. You're not prepared for terrifying his eyes are we know it's like they come. Above hysteria is is one of the scariest moments. It's the David Lynch film. It's the man behind the man behind the hall in GS. And I O one. That's not even crazy agai- this is literally the first part of crazy the a lot of the back half of this movie dude. There's a garden. So do you remember Monty Python where they did the Sam Peckinpah Garden Party where everyone's arms are severed and blood is spraying everywhere. That actually happens in this movie there. We go that's just what I don't think we can even start to go into the plotlines of the of the of the third act of this film because it's so interwoven. So convoluted and bizarre but people people are murdered in the open at a party and blood spraying everywhere and there are body counts and runs to rain with houses sinking. And it's completely bachelor and as bad should it. It is the what's important about. This film is the subtexts that slowly services is the the relationship between the the father of the Kim father and the park father. How those bonds like that relationship is you see what's beneath the surface? Yeah and he reveals. It's been surface and it's so unsettling and it's it's a face of sidey well and that's the thing so you watch you know no classically you watch the movie. The fighter with with Mark Wahlberg and Christian Bale and you realize that the end that the fighters Christian bail right. You realize oh the titles about a different guy than I thought it was right. Well and parasite does the same thing. What who's parasite you start out in twenty minutes and you'll have one answer forty minutes and you have another answer at the end of the film? It's kind of the answer is all of the above. And you know it's it's like it's the class system on society is the parasite on the human condition. That's literally where this film gets to the point of view the heavy rain scene. Where where you have you know the the park comeback from the trip because it's it's raining and they're talking about? How great is that? You know it's going to clean everything comeback smelly so fresh in their backyard. And the the same time the Kim family is scrambling their entire street is flooded. And they're being buried in this flood and this and this is the scene of the posted their escape from the ridiculous dickey's confluence of events back at the House during the dinner in which they left the big mess and it is their dissent they literally descend from the castle on high I to their basement hovel which is under water and they're drowning in their house. It is maybe the most thrilling film I've seen in years I can't. I can't recommend it enough. Everything you've heard about it. You know again. I hope you haven't listened to all of this without having seen Zeenat and love to hear your comments. Yeah I I'm so excited that there are still so many places to find thrills thrills and weirdness and awesomeness and filmmaking especially from corners that you don't necessarily expect joon-ho is always made films subvert expectations and this is I just can't wait to see what he does next. Sounds like This weekend the tech pod. We talked about security best practices 'cause I got hacked last week really. Yeah I hadn't if t t If this then that account hooked up to my twitter was very old Natta bad password on was apparently public that I didn't realize I thought it was the other one that was out and and some musical to post on twitter wasn't bad but I had to go back and change a lot of passwords and had to do a bunch of ironically. This happened the day after we recorded this episode and if I have been following my best practices I would have been fine. Can I tell you at one. Point Ord Camp Back Tech pod dot content downtown at one point in ord camp. I sat down with some security researchers to find out the level of security difficulties in knowing what you can trust from. Your chip manufacturer factor. Chip manufacturer is Intel. Yeah that like there are even if you know the exact architecture chip you. He's still not be may not be able to find the vulnerabilities within it within your supply chain where the Fab and the ways in which it turns out you remember the Apple Memory League League where the the the bus was talking to the buffer memory and that was where the password being exposed. It's like that problem exists in everything we own across the entire higher world times a gazillion. It's terrifying. I'm glad you're talking about best practices off security. Well so the upshot is I as a result of this hack update the. We'll go into the next time we record probably is that I'm going to start doing to factor hardware So like you'll be key that south for at least like a primary account that is the and all catch all of all the other accounts so yeah it was. It was an interesting conversation and you can find. Let's do it now. It's up. It should be up now okay. This is next week. All right and the address again. Tech pod dot content dot town thanks.

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Kings vs Wild Postgame 01/26/21

All the Kings Men | LA Kings

25:01 min | 8 months ago

Kings vs Wild Postgame 01/26/21

"You're listening to an la kings podcast for more episodes of this and every other kings program visit l. kings dot com slash. Podcast nurse athens. He wants to get his own zone. Committing to defense. Get a goal from carter. Thomas curtis make terminates. You're listening to all the king's men. The official podcast of the la kings more one hand along keeps it alive. Grunts trump walks to. Carl crowds trump. Now here's your host. Jesse cohen were kings. Gave up yet. Another third period lead to the minnesota wild. But this time jack this time they took the lead again and held on for the wind joining me. Minnesota native jackson lonski harry doing in a jack. I'm doing all right jesse. It's good to see the kings hold onto a third period while lead for awhile. Willfully get what they needed. And that was the two points for minnesota so good night for the kings You know everybody asked on accommodating. Anybody who watched the game Would would say that. It wasn't their strongest game of the season. Honestly i thought they played the first Let's say thirty five forty. No trying to think of how mathworks doggy diverse. Thirty five minutes. I thought they played pretty evenly. I thought it was a pretty boring. Typical minnesota kings game then. Obviously the wild came on strong in this last quarter maybe last third of the second period and then obviously they tied up early in the third But then the kings get a a really nice goal from carl groundstrokes. Good to see and then hold on you know without getting too deep into it like did you feel like the kings earned that win or deserve that. I don't know if i would say they completely deserved it. But hey i mean it's a fifty six game season you know when you're talking about your average you know season there's gonna be some games there you completely deserve to win or you completely deserve to lose in. The opposite happened. So i mean listeners. Get used to these type of games with the wild because we're going to see them a handful more times in the in the coming days These two teams like to play tight games. They don't play very different types of styles so No surprise again that it's a one goal game but overall you know i think you hit the nail on the head when it comes to you know the first half of the game was pretty back and forth in pretty slow but yet even and then young kings ended up getting that first goal in and that obviously was huge given the fact that they wouldn't have the third period of lead. Obviously that lasted a minute or so. But hey Phenomenal penalty kill by By the kings thereafter the the loss challenge and They're able to to gain the momentum back Slowly after that an ended up working in their favor this. Yeah i referenced. The money puck dot com deserve to winnow meter in the past. And i just loaded it up here after thousand game. Simulations kings win twenty two point. Eight percent of them. So take that for what it's worth. But we'll i mean they they were outshot. The didn't have possession for the the the majority of the second half of the game. And and frankly it's something that the kings and the in the coaching staff are gonna have to figure out because it's a trend. Now we've seen three games in a row where the wild of really put it to the kings in the second. Half of every game Through these the first two home openers in then obviously the first game today on the road against the wild so hopefully they can discontinue that trend. Because it's not something that's going to work for them in the future no not sustainable as they say But will look with the wind. They find themselves in a four way. Tie for second place Which for those of you who are good accounting means that colorado l. a. Anaheim and minnesota are all tied for second place. One of those teams technically is in fifth. Place finds themselves out of the playoffs spot but very early. So we're not gonna worry about class bus just yet but it brings them the kings that is brings them their goal differential plus one nice I find the goal differential now. I don't know how it's gonna work out this season. But i have a sneaking suspicion it's going to work out the way it does every year. Which is the goal differential will be a pretty good indicator of who's good and who who ain't speaking differential. The kings got to. I guess the grants from goals that unlikely but the curtis mc dermott goal the first goal of the game. My goodness that was unexpected. Shall we say to center ice. The kings mcdermott. A plan. right wing where. It's tipton front to mcdermott any skull. Orders curtis mc dermott jumping up into the play. He started the play at center ice. Got the puck back and chipped it in over cockpit end and curtis mc has started the scoring here tonight. It's one nothing kings unexpected unlikely but beautiful You know the puck wasn't supposed to go to it. Deflects off of anthony you stick off of an errant pass will say centering to him going into the slot eaten. Hey you know right place right time in any took advantage of a goalie. That wasn't necessarily prepared for a six foot. Six defensemen back door to be to be ready to bury that one. Home top shelf so The paddle was down and he took advantage of the high net in It was huge for the king's because You know we know what with leads with against minnesota Have turned into. But hey you know for the first goal. It's their first time that they scored the first goal of the game. This season so that trend will be sustained in continued unlike blowing third period. Lead but overall. Hey mcdermott with heck of a an opportunity and takes advantage of the few opportunities that he gets on the offensive end. We didn't get a chance to talk to them. After the game I would have loved to because the only question i have is. What on earth were you doing there. You said right place and it was but like surely surely. That's not a plane it's drawn up in practice right. We're mcdermott goes from behind his own goal. Line the full length of the is on her rush with incredibly fast players and finds himself. You know six inches away from the goal mouth like that. Couldn't have been by design. And i just like i said i wanted to what he was thinking that he thinks he was going to go create a scoring chance. I didn't know he had hands that soft right to put it. Top shelf like that Just a a surprising play in an otherwise. Pretty normal Wild kings here. Yeah you know when you think wild gangs. Do you think you know tentatively low scoring you think back and forth definitely one goal game You don't usually see curtis mc dermott factoring into the scoresheet But hey we'll take it and It definitely helps the kings jump. Start there in the second period so by all means kudos to him and hopefully a that can be a little bit more of an occurrence. Now that'd be pretty appreciated. Say yeah i mean usually Usually you'd think it's a shot from the point that gets deflected or something like not not a load ugly sorry. I asked on twitter. If i should consider that. A fake shutout for peterson Now currently when you're faking the answer was a polar was just responded was opole currently fifty four percents literally at fifty four percent. Yes forty six percent. No and the only reason i asked was because they were talking about it in the post game i think maybe it was during the second period intermission. I can't remember or maybe he was talking to cal. Peterson must've been kentucky. Cal peterson in a post game of is definitely not second division. No right because the goal. Gus grissom barry fair point but i actually did think if the rule is that you can't push the goalies pads into the goal into the net. I actually think that's happened. i wasn't one hundred percent clear. Why the goal was allowed. Although frankly i think it's a silly rule that it should have been a goal but given how it happened given what it meant to the overall flow of the game in the end the end result which is at the kings win. I'm leaning towards calling it a fake shutout i. I'm gonna different opinions here. Mostly because the puck was never really covered. It was kinda just there in the pad was also there. No he never had control in. The puck wasn't under his glove and it got pushed into the net. But you know to me because the puck was loose to an. It's just a battle of goalie versus you know. Players stick trying to keep the puck out of the net in china. Push it in. So i think the call on the ice you know at as it was made prior to the review was the right choice and and for being upheld say what you want but hey can we can pass on that knowing that the kings one overall. It's something that's going to be controversial whenever it comes to pushing a goalies equipment in his leg into the net you. It wasn't very blatant that it did. Even though that was the case to an extent but hey will forget about it will move on. We'll take our two points. Yeah either way. He makes thirty two saves on thirty. Three shots turns in his first win of the season and looked great. I thought he looked real strong. And i have to admit heading into the game knowing that he was starting while i don't necessarily think his two losses were his fault. You're looking at the numbers. Before the game you know with a saab nine hundred. Save percentage in an above three point zero goals against you know to record and your just sorta tugging. You're caller go. I'm like oh you're but you know. He looked for every bit the goalie that we've been hearing about for two or three years. Now yeah yeah. He made some really good saves against fiala parisi Spurgeon was in their brodine as well overall the wild released spread out when it comes to who they get their shots from aside from knowing fiallos gonna put quite a few on net in the wild have active defenseman when it comes to pinching when it comes to stepping into the playoffs pensively it was a great showing from cal peterson overall. Knowing that you know you while we know what we're going to get of the wild shots tend to be a little bit more unexpected and hard to come from because a lot of their energy and offense comes from behind the net which is not easy for you to track so by all means you. It's great to see him get his first win. Obviously it's monkey off the back after it's one two three four games. He ends that trend At two games being in two and and you know thirty three hundred thirty four is always a good night for a goalie. And it's great to see you know the kings really developing a one two punch that we saw towards the end of last year after the campbell trade and hopefully that will continue because quick looks to be Playing like the two thousand fourteen. Two thousand twelve johnny quick to oh into this year And now we've got cal. Peterson on the wing column. So hopefully that will be something that we can get used to a little bit more in indefinitely getting that. Save percentage over nine. Hundred is big for both cal peterson. The kings one of the preseason predictions that has sort of panned out so far. Was that a lot of people said you know. Look at your nineteen your twenty year old players. They're going to be a huge jump in their production. Because they'll have missed you know basically not a full calendar year but very close to it and so what would have been a slow progression from may be struggling. You know guys early in their career to develop productive and h. l. players. You know we've seen it bear outright. Whether it's jack us or any or another player watching carlin grunts from today. I thought okay well. He's not nineteen. He's not twenty twenty just turned twenty three fifty six days ago as the date of this rewarding but i think it might have been a similar case where last season you know. He didn't play. I think he played a full season between la ontario. Feel like you might have missed a little bit of time. This season before that i believe was the trade. You know this this. The player that i'm seeing now in carlstrom is is the complete promised package of the player that we got in the trade for jake muslim. There's no well. If he can sort this part of his game out and it's early. I guess he could stumble a little bit but but he just looks more confident. More capable and more comfortable in the king's lineup. Kings jersey. yeah well. He's got goals in back to back games in. You talked about how all the hype was on eighteen and nineteen nineteen to twenty twenty twenty one year old. All these guys are going to have time to put some muscle on get used to their bodies able to acclimate themselves around. Nhl players and see how it's done and we've seen that in the early going across the nhl but you're right about grunstein and for him to be able to to have the time to assess what was and wasn't working in you know. He played the majority of his year down and ontario last year. So obviously that's something that you know a player of his calibre and someone who has aspirants to be in everyday. Nhl player isn't gonna be satisfied with you. He can go back to the drawing board and really figure out how to evolve his game and it seems like. That's been the case so far as you mentioned he's someone that is everything that we've hoped to see in everything that we expected when we get got him from toronto in the the muslim deal so going back to his performance. If this is something we're gonna see consistently from a fourth line in the kings. It's going to be something that we haven't seen on a fourth liner. You know since the stanley cup days when they had the depth may have the ability to impact the game as much as they have so far in the first seven games or so of the season so You know maybe he can work his way up from where is time but by all means this is all you could ask for fourth liner in. He looks comfortable. he's producing. He's got two goals in the last two games and if we can see a little bit more of that in i guess the big word there is consistency and to be fair. I should point out that he played eighteen games in sweden before coming over for training camp. So he's you know he's a little bit further along in his In his training cover level and all that the big query circus. You mentioned that you know it's funny. You mentioned that a lot of the guys that you and i both talked to within the organization whether it's Guys from the rain or guys from the kings or or even guys around the league everyone is that has been over. That was playing in. Sweden or finland in germany has really pointed to that being a reason for their quick starts in the nhl so far. So it's something to keep an eye on and it's a trend that we've seen hopefully Leah's anderson has gotten off to a promising start as well He's someone who also lives in sweden earlier in. We'll see if those guys can keep those motors going While everyone else plays a little bit of quote unquote catch up. So here's the real question. Another game against minnesota on thursday. The kings didn't play a perfect one. Goal game no. No no i mean yes. It will be but now the real question is change the lineup because the the quote unquote bottom portions. The lineup performed well to top portions of the lineup. Have performed well in previous games. So do you tinker or do you just go with. What snuck out a win. Well i think you stick with what's working in. You know the kings of one three of their last four games. If i can do math correctly as a major And it looks like this lineup is a little bit more comfortable to play the way mcclellan wants to now i know wagner. Has that type of skill set that. Mcclellan likes but it seems that the lines are starting to build a little. Bit more of a cohesive feeling. The chemistry is gaining. Kotaro thought had a game. But the top line. I didn't think had a phenomenal day The bottom six. I thought performed better than the top six today. Frankly number and then the defense slowly looked to be getting very comfortable with themselves in confident within their the d. pairs. So i think you stick with what works. I assume we'll see quick in game. Two of this Little two game series against minnesota again. And he's done everything right. So you're that might be the only lineup switched. But hey you're not changing the roster. Yeah and i mean. I have to expect that i follow copay. Tarring cambay will perform better on thursday than tonight. I yeah but also the you know to keep in mind. I agree with you but at the same time a lot of times it's overlooked but the the kings are on the road so they don't have the last change they don't get to choose their their lineup. Matchups or line matchups so a lot of times. We saw the eric snack. Felino and greenway line up against copay tar follow in In which is not a good match for them. because that's a lineup. That likes to play below the goal line. Play physical where you down Which is something to be cautious of nba aware of because If that trend continues in the in the second game again the bottom six is definitely going to have to step up. Yeah i was just looking. At the the number you're saying that and yet felino in ericsson Nine minutes apiece against the camp and ten minutes plus against qatar With greenway with them see. I mean there's also the issue of anderson kale clegg curtis mc dermott. I was thinking about this a lot during the game. I think we've just sort of. It's it's early. I mean we're just gonna keep repeating this ends. It's early yet but it's early yet but we're still looking at two rookies on the left side of the d. and curtis mcdermott on on the third pair And every time it felt like the kings were getting hemmed in their zone. It felt to me like it was the top line and the top deal out there and whether it was an inability to clear which some of that was strong play from minnesota and some of it was just i. I don't know what i don't know what it was. I i suppose. I'm just reluctant to hand all the credit to minnesota. Because i'm in kingston but you know there were just an you know became a snake eating its own tail right. The the the more you fail to clear the puck on the first clearing attempt the harder the second attempt to become the third time to the fourth attempt. And and i thought for sure two or three times that mom minnesota was gonna score a goal and whether the puck got frozen or the net came off its mooring or whatever. Was that happened. The the king seem to it to escape every time but Yeah like i said hopefully clean that up on thursday. Yes definitely sunday they wanna clean up and i think tonight you know in game. One verse the k. Against the wild the king spent a lot more time around their own net than they had in the previous two games against minnesota. Which is definitely something you obviously want to avoid but like you said you know a few times. The net came off from driving the net or puck. Deflects out a playoff of a block shot. You know overall. It's something that the kings are going to have to be aware of because this is a minnesota wild team that likes to wear down teams in the offensive zone and they've always been a puck possession team as someone who follows them quite closely so it's not great when it comes to to what we saw. But hey you know bend don't break in and that was exactly what happened tonight. They are able to to advance past the wild with two points and tied them up in the standings. I just want to point out Marcus felino strength. Twelve minutes one. Second seventeen corsi for roses shot at times. One against percentage of ninety four point forty four If you're just looking at shots on goal is eleven shots for one against for ninety one point six seven and we're going to dabble in expected goals. Which i really don't like to but i'm going to the purposes of this that moment at one point. Oh eight goals for zero point. Zero one goals-against Expected goal a ratio of at ninety eight six percent as a hack and on the ice for a goal for minnesota. So i mean just an an unbelievable game by that top line. Yeah you know minnesota's obviously got firepower with capri of and Fiala on the first and second line. But the third line for minnesota's ben their most consistent in most effective line through the seven games that they've played so far Erickson that greenway and felino are just three six foot plus power forwards that also have skill and as you mentioned felino stats or advance stats. Those are numbers that obviously. We don't want to repeat moving forward against the against the the wild because eventually they're going to be able to take advantage of that line is out there for their only goal that they scored against the kings But overall it's they're going to be the problem that kobe tar in in his line have to deal with Because of the matchups in being on the road with minnesota getting that last change so time to play the game player of the game We'll start with the planet game who have okay Cheat a little bit not take the penalty. Kill following the loss challenge. You know i fought. Minnesota developed a lot of momentum. They're going into the third period with the way they finished the second period. They score minute in and they lose the king's challenge for the kings to be able to obviously knock give up a gold number one but to be able to kinda slow down the momentum. Even things up know. Jim fox mentioned it during the broadcast which i thought was a great way to point out that they kind of just slowed everything down minnesota. You know everything was going their way and then that penalty kill give up zero shots and avoid any scoring chances in were able to to of slow the roads in an minute And then the kings obviously took control a little bit. They're getting the goal from gunston But may i might play the games. It's going to be that two minute penalty. Kill i. I and i think i think that's totally fair. I'll go with the mcdermott goal. Just because it was it was great not only not only for the goal but also a to see how excited he was to scored it which was fun but also to see lozad jump twice as body in order to hug him live for that kind of stuff. So i'm going with the with the mcdermot goal a player of the game. I think we'll probably agree on. But but who did you have to Ogle grunts term. I think he's had a great strides to great start to the year. You know he's come a long way. I think from what we saw last year. He's grown he's developed and for him to be able to get on the board back. Toback nights is back to back games. Rather is something that is extremely enlightening to see in. hopefully Can get his confidence going and get consistency out of him. Offensively and I'm gonna go with cal peterson. Just fake shut out good for calpers. One of the year All right. we're going to wrap it up here. Because i don't want to be up all night making this but look the kings take on minnesota thursday night again in minnesota than five days off. I think maybe four days off before returning home to play anaheim for the first time on tuesday february second. Sorry four days off january twenty nine th through february first we will be doing a another recap that covers all four games against the minnesota wild sometime in that span. Also the rain. Play san diego and bakersfield in two preseason games on friday the twenty ninth and saturday the thirtieth and I have lied to you recently. By saying that the rainy day podcast would be back. It will not be back instead. It will be replaced by the rain check with another rain punk. So if you're not already subscribe to that you can go to. La kings dot com slash. Podcast find it to it and there will be a lot more kings content and rain content moving forward. Jack thank you again for joining me. Always an we'll talk to you soon. Kingston stick around.

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Computer Talk Radio Broadcast 07-24-2021

Computer Talk Radio

1:30:01 hr | 2 months ago

Computer Talk Radio Broadcast 07-24-2021

"Yeah he's our favorite nerd. Keeping your technology running smoothly. Here's benjamin rockwell. With computer talk radio. The website computer talk radio dot com computer talk radio dot com the phone number eight to eighty two nerd. Aj day too. That's eight hundred six three seven two three eight eight eight. There is gonna so much this week's show. I'm going to just dive into all of these different things off as best i can. Steve is gonna talk about new military attack in the form of a tank. I'm gonna talk about ways. The internet makes us safer of. Vince is going to be asking the in regards to computer building in tips and tricks. He wants to build his own. What do i dread in the infotech. World what is click bait and e can news. Bean click bait. I'll answer that. also. I've got a new series on scams and how to avoid them and as asks me what my greatest strength in tech. What is it not right on top of that with some latest news. We had something happen on thursday. We're going to spend to segments talking about the right to repair because a federal trade commission did something absolutely amazing. We've got kyle wiens from. I fix it dot com. We have jessa jones from ipad rehab and we have louis rothman. Who is a big huge right repair advocate. And they're all going to be here talking about the federal trade commission news on right to repair if you missed any of that. Go to the website computer. Talk radio dot com. Check out the podcast. Now i'm not even that big huge item from the ftc and their whole right to repair policies to reduce restrictions from from apple from samsung from all of these different companies. Look it's great. We're gonna spend twenty minutes. Well eighteen minutes talking about it. So i'm going to skip over that one even though that's like the biggest headline that i've got going on. There are some other tech headlines. Going on amy klobuchar. I'm sure. I'm i'm butchering that name. And i apologize She has a new bill. That would repeal some of the section to thirty protections for tech companies. Well it's kind of extending on last week's news of the white house where they were manipulating facebook insane. You need to take this down. This is medical information and creating pravda. Yes where the government controls with the news is. Amy club has decided Senator klobuchar has the proposed legalizing the government intervention into determining what is and isn't fact What yeah that's right in this case supposedly it's only gonna be for an existing public health emergency. But you know. I look at this and i say this. This too easily could turn into that slippery. Slope limiting free speech of any kind is scary. Even if this is only a proposed bill the consequences of russian. Something like this. Which were expecting have eappen could actually leave a lot more damage than good. Which is what they're trying to say this. This is so jeff bezos. He went to space. And with everything. That richard branson dead even though i dismissed it last week that the fact that both of these guys barely nudged the edge of space. Gus grissom sixty years ago. This past week is maverick sixty years to the day. That jeff bezos went up. He managed to go one hundred miles in the. These guys only did fifty in sixty three miles a piece. But jeff bezos appears to have turned around and made this whole exciting thing. That richard branson did into a depressing jaunt into space. There were various off color jokes and there were blunders with jeff bezos thanking his employees and customers for funding is dream of space in even the so. I was talking about the the oldest woman. They'll this person to ever go into space was with him and her name escapes me at the moment but she rated his Other experiences a two out of five all of this contributed to a stab. At bezos dream of space exploration the space race between the billionaires needs actually an infusion of seriousness instead of mere moments of loss of gravity at this point sixty years after gus. grissom yvonne musk submit ventures appear to be the only ones that are lending any weight to the situation apple while they were planning on going back to the office in september. Of course there in california and with the latest climbing kovic nineteen numbers around the world in across the united states. And no yes especially in california apple. I i i. I don't want to say they're backpedaling on their plans for returning to the office but they are actually one of the first companies that are going. Maybe we don't need to go so fast. K they are they are one of the first to actually push this back. They're not going to be. The last. many companies are trying to move forward and the situation is going to continue to evolve as we all know this entire battle against cove in nineteen is not something that we can just all of a sudden wave this magic wand and it goes away no we have to solve it and we have to find new ways of solving it ways that we haven't tried yet so yeah the evaluations of options are going to be rehashed. Reworked reconsidered and otherwise regurgitated. Along the way. And yes somebody is gonna come up with something great. And who knows what it'll be. Net flicks is also well okay. They're not really struggling The headlines across all of the it world say stuff like net flakes believes of subscribers. And okay so. It's in the united states and canada with no sign of recovery. This that some you know one of the one of the big tech websites out there. But i'll k. This industry streaming industry is actually starting to struggle with the levels of saturation. I am not surprised that netflixing full is looking for actually other revenue options. They've been talking about gaming events merchandise which are all winners and will likely continue to drive revenue for net flicks for decades without some other form of disruption in the marketplace but the numbers themselves aren't bad or at least as bad as we think for net flicks okay net flicks did lose four hundred thirty thousand. Us in canadian subscribers. And that's a lot of where the focus is but in total in last quarter they went up one and a half million subscribers. they're the number one streaming platform. They're doing just fine. They lose a few customers here. It means the entire industry has matured and they've reached a saturation point and that was kind of expected the pulp and well actually the catholic church's stated this before But through the pope francis and benedict and their priestly infrastructure in the bishops and all of those different things and at the so. They've they've said all the way along that man should learn how to disconnect from tech and yes the pope and his most recent appearance is returned from eleven days. the hospital. well he said exactly that now. This has been covered in many of the protestant churches as well in the churches. I've gone to. And i would hope that we would all take pause to listen to these calls. These suggestions that we at least lund to put tech aside for short little while unfortunately like many other things that churches put forward many listeners in the congregation many followers many of the different adherence of these different faiths fail to listen and follow. I know that many of struggle with this addiction. But i encourage you to at least try. Don't give up on this. This is something that's important. We need to make sure that it isn't an addiction or at least it's managed. It's well managed. There was an internet outage that took down. Well i i don't want to say a few websites. It was a lot. It was a major internet outage on thursday found them selves. Just end the big huge problem trying to explain this. They performed a software update and what they did was. They crashed her slowed down websites that included much of the top. Names the world. And i i you know i had a list of them and it got so long. I'm going to read this. The outage involved. Something called domain name services or dns. This is the whole system that tracks names to ip addresses. it's like the the fold phonebook. You could look up an address there and yeah. It was down for about an hour but it was really nerve wracking for a lot of people around the country. Coming up next. This is exciting. I've got three of the biggest names in right to repair and keith with me to discuss the federal trade commissions big announcement this week. Let's talk about on and off. You mean like light. Switches the original user interface device. And you were there right. Hey i'm not that old. Yeah your so so on and off. Yeah only with no humans at like. Oh but you. And i both have computers on cyber power. Ups systems. Yeah so we have power but there's another on and off all right online and offline you got it meaning another ups at the cable modem and voip bone and wi fi router and even a low-cost stand by ups can handle those better of course if it has a vr right so it doesn't have to hit the battery because the voltage drops. Maybe it's a good time to mention the promo that saves ten to fifteen dollars. Details are at the cyber power website. And maybe you could put it on your website. All that's already done it computer. Talk radio dot com. You know on and off you take really good care of your listeners. The phone number eight eight eight. That's eight eight eight six three seven two three eight eight eight. This is one of the biggest topics that we've covered in probably a couple of years. It's something that we recover on a regular basis. It's called the right to repair and keith. And i have talked about this on a regular basis. Keith joins me right now. But with the news that happened just we woke up to this thursday morning. I reached out and keith reached out and we got a hold of not one not two but three of the biggest names in the advocacy for right to repair. We have jessica jones. Louis rosman and i fix it's kyle. Weeds this is. This is the trifecta of right to repair people. This is so awesome. I i would like to. I'd like to die right in and and ask louis. Would you give us just a brief history of where we were at just a matter of it just a matter of a couple of months ago with the right to repair a few months ago is to typical standard thing. Which is you show up to a legislature. You explain why it's important. A paid lobbyist reads off the script. In explains how things are going to explode. And the person who's listening to you goes. It's a wash where they walk away and nobody cares and a few months ago. The ftc came out with a report. That's fifty nine pages. Long that goes through every single thing that a the adversary lobbyists have been saying for the past ten years and just completely crumbled it and just toss it in the garbage which was a beautiful thing to see and then about a few weeks later there was an executive order that came out from the white house directing the fcc to try and take some action on right to repair which is critical. And that leads us to this week to thursday morning jessica. You've you've gone through. You've read a lot of this or all of this recent statement. They've got tell us what happened so what they did this week. Was they had their monthly meeting and they had a public forum so they had a bunch of people that could show up. And y'all got one minute to let the ftc know your thoughts about repair and they passed a policy That was pro right to repair where they said. Yes we intend to enforce the existing. ftc policy about. You're not allowed if you're a manufacturer to tie branded repair parts and service to the sale of your device the anti tying saying that you know is the stuff that we all know as. Hey you know you. Avoid your warranty. If that's not true. You don't learn void any warranty just by opening your device so they said we're going to start really enforcing that and we are going to Similarly start going. After all of these anti-competitive antitrust repair restrictions they listed you know an amazing job of kind of turning all those safety security arguments back on the manufacturers. We don't buy it and that was the deal with What they did on thursdays they came out with their policy statement in favor of right to repair ninety desk. You're really quick question Do you see this as a means for small business repair shops to more easily and Through proper channels acquire parts. Because i've heard stories about people who ordered parts and then they get held up in custom's dock and then they get destroyed. And then you're not only. Are you out the parts and you can't do the repairs but you know you're out the money is spent because nobody's going to reimburse you do you see this as a means to more easily get the pears to The parts repairs. Hopefully i mean we had a package held up in customs last week and it showed up so you know. We've also had packages helping customs. That were Years ago that were sent to apple. Apple said yeah. These screens are apple screens. And so therefore you're not allowed to have them so throw him in the back and we. We never saw this thousands of dollars worth of chips in screens. That i that i own that. I had bought from customers when they came into their screen. Replacement i harvest their refurbish -able. Oem lcd. send it to china to just be re glass by the people who are really good at that. The people that made the screens to begin with. And then they come back to me and custom said i see an apple logo and get it out of there. So i yeah. I think that that's going to help out with parts. But you know more specifically. I think it's going to give a consumer something to do. They've they've they're going to tell people. Hey the ftc said you know. I can't get my face. Id replaced by you. Know apple said. I can't get my face. I replaced by you guys so therefore I'm gonna complain to the ftc about it and they're gonna listen and that's the big win. So kyle i've talked about the magnuson. Moss warranty magnusson monce. Act a number of things. Wouldn't this all be covered under the magnuson. Moss or i mean i mean i know the answer is it was written in the seventies. It wasn't really thinking about high tech at the time. But right magnuson. Moss is really just about the warranty. It's about missions warranties. So if you if you buy a product and you do Work on it yourself. That doesn't void the warranty. That's what magnuson moss says. Now the the problem is that the public is overwhelmingly confused about this. If you ask people why don't you get your thing fixed by local shop. They'll say well. I'm afraid about my warranty. And this is the overwhelming public opinion. And the ftc is in charge of enforcing magnuson moss and we actually talked with the folks there and they said yeah. We're in charge of enforcing magma's and we're not doing a very good job. We wanna do better. Policy is is the ftc. Kevin admitting that they've failed and they need to step in and regulate the market. Better so lewis. You run into problems site in this. You've been talking about this on your on your youtube channel. A ran into some licensing issues. It took you a year to to solve this d do. Do you have any thoughts in your mind that maybe some of these big corporations were sticking sticking in knifing your tire to hold you back to none of that. I mean the new york city. Consumer affairs has been incompetent. Since before i was born. This has nothing to do with posted. I posted i posted. Phone call recordings of me speaking to people. They're asking what their own laws were. Just so that. I could get an idea of what they were about the people that pick up the phone. It's department consumer affairs even after transferring to a supervisor cannot explain to me other own rules and regulations for apple or google is not trying to shut my business down as much as interesting as a conspiracy theories that could be. That's just incompetence on the part of my own city local government which is could be its own to our talk show itself. Wow so so jesse. You've been dealing board level repairs for years. How how do you think the the coming years are going to play out with the ftc. Taking this approach. Well my big hope is really about the tying of specific serial numbers in parts to the device. That's really not cool. you know. i shouldn't be able to open up to light box brand new iphones start swapping parts between them and then find out that eight different functions of the phone or compromised in some way by doing that. And that's what the ftc says. You're not allowed to do that in this in this policy statement. So how's echo effect board repair. Just last week. I had a local guy come in. And he's got a single drop of water down the front ear speaker in his iphone ten and that bothers this encrypted part the dot projector so i'd love to be able to swap that out and right now i can't do that. Because that part as a serial number two encrypted and the device only apple can say he wrote you. Go to dot projector right. So hopefully i'll be able to tell the device. I'm putting in a fresh new dot protector and not have to tell the guy he's got to go to apple which is what it is like now so when we come back i i. I'm gonna give kyle question right now. We'll have you answer this after the break but one of the one of the questions that pops up in my mind just keeps going back and forth okay so you you have a company. It's i fix it dot com. You help out a lot of people with the various tools in parts to fix a lot of different things. You're an advocate of the Of this whole industry and yet you create tools the pencil obe screwdrivers and stuff like that. aren't you afraid. Yes as he held up a picture. Your on a skype call. Aren't you afraid and you can answer this. After after the break that this actually could put your advocacy could actually put out of business. We'll have more of this again. We've got louis rosman jesse jones and Kyle wiens from fixit dot com all talking about this week's f. t. c. announcement in regards to the right to repair. We'll be back with more computer. Talk radio in. 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Where a whole community of people teaching each other. How to fix things. You can post a how to guide for the work on your vacuum. I might post how to fix a skateboard and together. All of our knowledge is is better than any one of us alone and fix it. Really is is a system designed to replace the manufacturer's system apple doesn't make repair guides available. So we do apple. Won't so your screwdrivers so we do apple so you a new battery for your phone so we do hold policy. That kind of goes into the policy statement about what the manufacturers have been doing from the ftc. Yeah absolutely yes. So we'll see if the manufacturers step up and can't you know foley perform the service. I i would be thrilled to see them do that to see. Maybe maybe to be less necessary. What's what's cool about the the policy statement that the ftc put out and it's super legalese. But they go through a list of of strategies that they've seen the manufacturers Things like gluing products together limiting the availability of parts and manuals. Disparaging non oem parts a and as reading this list. It struck me at. I imagine desa probably agrees. It struck me like a serial list of everything that apple does to try to make it. So you can't fix your stuff So this shows that. The ftc is really been listening to the advocates. Are we've been sharing and talking about the problems that we've seen And i'm i'm optimistic. This is setting the stage for change. And let me jump in here. Really quick benjamin to answer your question that you put the kyle as a non hyphen night at work for i fix it i'm not under payroll so i don't have a financial incentive to to have their parts be sold and and we didn't get this afraid my wife bought it for me for christmas a couple years ago the fix it toolkit is one of the best and most comprehensive toolkit for anybody who wants to get inside of a mac or an iphone or an ipad that i've ever worked with and the parts are super super high quality so yeah like you said somebody's gotta sell you. Why not get there because they quality into it. And i love your kid. I've actually said it on air. Now kyle i love the you just said a couple months ago to louis i do you do you. Are you hopeful for this. Do what do you see happening to repair industry out of this than what i hope happens is that you're actually able to get access to the parts in schematics that you need to do your job right now if someone comes in with one of the new iraq books with the charging ship issue. But i do is. I have the by of battery charging case from apple for hundred thirty dollars. I have to rip it apart after. Take the chip off. I have to throw the entire battery away. Which is complete waste and use that to revolt the chip that. I've harvard from their battery charging and use it to fix a mac book. I might just be able to buy the chip from the company that makes it. But they're under contract with apples and not sell it to anybody and that is a serious a serious problem now. One thing that i think is particularly important. Here is the knock at the idea that this is done right repairs done because they voted five to zero. They voted on moving forward figuring out how going to fix the problem. This is really just the start in lots of very hopeful. Start and i look forward to seeing them do something. The worst thing that could happen here is people. Get the idea that okay. it's done issues. They voted on it. So i'm hopeful that they come up with the now that they're looking to come up with rules. They come up with rules that allow us to be able to do our job in. Rock starts so jessica a winter. Some of the The different specifics of the policy statement that you want to highlight here. Well i love what kyle said so. I've got it in my hand here. The policy statement that they put out yesterday and and they're really chewing them out for you know hey. Product designs it complicate or prevent repair unavailability of parts. And then. i love this one designs that make independent repairs less safe so they take that safety argument and they're like hey you know. Why don't you make it not art to repair. I love all that. And then what's really key though is what what lewis said. We have to take action so they tell us that what the commission has done is they says number one. I the commission urges the public to submit complaints and those complaints are any time that you've had a device where you went to some independent repair shop and you were told oh. I'm sorry we can't do that. We're forced to send you back to the manufacturer. That would be any any iphone with a home button problem where i can swap you in a new home button. But the device won't recognize it states. Id touch id laundry list of any time. That's happened to you you need now. They're asking you tell us about it at report fraud dot. Ftc dot gov though you we gotta do is we all have to. We gotta have. We gotta be the squeaky wheel and then they're telling us that. We're going to scrutinize repair restrictions for violations of these antitrust law so they they have to hear it from the public. And that's really. I think the big message that we got yesterday any any concerns from from you. Kyle any any red flags that you saw out of this now. I think this is overwhelming. The right step. this is with regulatory movement. I it takes time so they have to pass a policy. The next step is they need to do a rulemaking. Ftc's rulemaking process is Is very powerful. So we're looking forward to that next. That will probably take a year or so But in the meantime. I think it's really important for everybody to get out there and start reporting manufacturers if you see anywhere in the product warranty boy remove sticker. That's frog report that take a picture of it and send it to report fraud. The ftc dot gov warranty boyd for move sicker fraud. If you're talking with a customer support agent and they say that because you open the product of whether the warranty that's fraud and the ftc interested in that evidence so there you go we've got a couple of different places free to check out in support this whole right to repair very quickly. Kyle give out the website where people can find out more about. I fix it. we are. I fix it. Dot com. i f. I t dot com and jessica. How can people look at you. I pad rehab dot com and louis how people reach out to you rosman on youtube dot com but as for now this is benjamin rockwell keith. Mci door you're listening to computer talkradio. I'll be back with more in just a moment Hi this is benjamin walk while most of us use digital cameras nowadays but what we do with those old pictures and slides in the back of the closet. Well let me tell you about legacy digital productions. They specialize in taking your old memories on film videotape and slides. And digitizing them to dvd's if you have boxes old slides than you know they fade more and more each year let legacy digital skin them for you and stop the aging process dead in its tracks. You'll get beautiful ten megapixel digital files color corrected and ready for printing. 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What is my greatest strength in technology and kind of My greatest accomplishments in kind of trying to figure out As was as we went back and forth these trying to get into technologies trying to understand it. And i'm going to give the answer along. These lines flexibility. I in in it's it's it's also comes with the determination to go forward and get the job done and that's that's key in most fields there. Is this idea that okay tech just comes naturally and there are parts of tech that come naturally and there are ideas. That your major accomplishment. Your biggest accomplishment is something that should be should be touted but my major accomplishment. Right now if i look back across my career. My major accomplishment the biggest one that i've always held strongest to today is not all that important. It's a software setup that i created back in the nineties in it. 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I mean i went through and i i dealt with auditors for the first time and they were cool and i actually discovered later on that i enjoy doing some of the tech audit things in some of the tech guidance things but the greatest strength. If i were going to say any one thing that was a major strength firm me along the way it would be going forward in being determined being the guy who is the solution provider. It's always if feels good if somebody comes to you and says hey. I need to find out this information from our tech. What can you give me. What kind of reports can you give me. What kind of information out. How do we get from here to there. Wherever here is where are we right now. Where are we going. How do you know all of these different things. And i think that's always been something that has driven me. We spend too much time. I believe focused on the individual tasks we we also spend too much time focused on trying to find our knee area. 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But he is a nerd bringing you news and knowledge from the world of computers and technology. Here's benjamin rockwell. With computer talk radio website talk radio dot com computer talk radio dot com the phone number eating aid nerd eight two. That's eight eight eight six three seven two three eight eight eight. We are halfway through this week. Shell and what does that mean yes. It's part of the whole concept that we push here that we are radios broadest look at computers and technology and how they impact do you and your life steve. Caskey helps us out with that. Now in this case it's it's a little bit more tangential how it impacts our life. It's more of impacting. The lives of the soldiers that are around the world. We're we're talking one of your favorite a Things to talk about steve. It's the military although we haven't talked about it a while let. When was the last time we did a military topic. Oh at least a year ago. It hasn't been that long as it. I think so okay all right so let's talk about this. Let's dive right in. Okay think small. K now computers all of our eye lifetime anyway. Computers have been getting smaller and smaller and smaller and more and more berthel. Guess i mean my Adding machine or calculator has more more power in it. Then the first computer. I worked with sure. Yeah oh i mean so. My my i i. I'll call it. Portable computer is kind of kind of a laptop. It was it was based on the same processor and yet had more power than what the original space shuttle had. yeah Tyrannus eighty model one. Hundred and yeah. I enjoyed that too. That little guy so here. We are in of course. Our united states army is. I was trying to get more power in a smaller package. Yes so they have miniaturized a tank. Make a danny tank many tank okay. It's probably about. Oh i would say about four feet wide about three feet high and about five to six feet long still has tracks still got a gun. But it's miniaturized so that it doesn't have to have people in it to work okay. Well considering the a lot of what we but we work with for our military is our ground forces. It's just running her walking along. It's not not so much a lot of the tank stuff so is so a many tank like that could be used for moving around with some of those heavier guns and all of the ammo. Oh wow i know. They carry ammo yet. Don't write but here here. What this tank. What does it taint. Do is protect soldiers. Yeah but it also goes out there and meets the enemy now having a remote control tank. There's no person in it. therefore you're saving lives. Don't need as many okay and you can produced that many more tanks out there and because of their size now. They can hide in the field. Gress your where a big gang taint. Can't it can go places. Were the big k ten tank. Can't go yeah. I imagine a now i imagine. Also it's like a regular tank so it's somewhat bullet proof bullet resistant. Golden countdowns right. And it's got its own little cannon. Now look at again. It doesn't really need that eight millimeter cannon out there. Yeah yeah that most gang ones do but we are talking about miniaturization of tanks but also other Equipment as you know carriers for supplies and munitions and all of that and now. They're miniaturizing those so they can go or the soldier goes and in remote control. Yeah i'm thinking. I am thinking of this is you know. It's it's the size of a golf cart except shorter windsor in the car. Cargo ones are about twice or three times the size of a golf court when fully loaded. But still you're gonna you're not talking abate tannin half truck yes yes about a third of that size and therefore it can carry a lot of stuff but it because his remote control if it gets fired upon and destroyed its national people. Yeah well on top of that. I imagine if it gets destroyed which is probably not as likely considering size. It's yeah we tend to overbill things. But i imagine that it's also the price point is distinctly different than let's say emlyn abrahams or something like that. Sure be with the price going way down now. They're also developing our army developing Shall we say Robots that look like dogs or mother. Animal that can carry more than four guys can carry through the woods and do it efficiently now. Is this Out of Elise is is the company. Boston dynamics is i know it's it's i know the military darpa. Yeah but there's a the company that's actually doing. The doing the darpa of work. I think is boston dynamics or at least it's out of boston. Something dynamics you. We see videos every once in a while of them you know in all of the different robots. They're building. it's just a major lot of a lot of them that look like dogs run like dogs and well. Their newest one is designed to walk like a cockroach so low to the ground got many more legs and therefore could carry more and scurries when the when the morning right and then scurries into the underbrush. When they're going off away rounded those type of shall we say vehicles and even personnel carriers. That are smaller for carrying soldiers over short distances and can reconnaissance and you can put more of them in the field and the less likely to be picked up by radar or any other type of detection system because of their size one of the things that i like about this that that we're going down a road which i i know that eventually that we are likely to see some countries many countries violate what has been talked about for ages in that is. There's kind of this unwritten rule. Maybe it is written down in some advanced version of whatever the geneva convention new name is or whatever But the idea of robots firing guns a robotic soldiers interacting Instead of real people. Which a you know i i. I struggle with the concept to be on both sides. I struggle with the idea of You know i. It's easier for us to send robots to go off and fight each other. You know the robots go fight the other robots. But then i also look at the idea of a robot doesn't have the the any of the mental awareness the sentence to determine whether he's following good orders or bad orders. Well that too but mostly were talking at this poem time. A drone type yeah. Assistive devices assisted devices. Something device that can be radio controlled from bayer long distance away It can detect and basically do reconnaissance where you send a soldier to redo the reconnaissance courses smaller but he's more vulnerable clinton bit growing a bit more vulnerable. But that's where i see the tories. Eight near term usage of these miniaturize vehicles taking the cold concept of a tank. And what the tank can do and can't do and then diversify it. Put it into many different vehicles instead of trying to build one massive chain to do all of it it's like we don't need an aircraft carrier to drop off. One little owned dinghy one. Little boat off off the coast of whatever country. We're going to. Trump will a bit more direct purpose as for now. This is benjamin. Rodwell that steve caskey. You're listening to computer talk radio. We'll be back with more in just a moment. You have a couple of those new carbon open frame racks from cyber power right. The i love him. I can figure at twenty five to forty inches about twice as deep as a regular iraq and put more than a dozen peripherals in it. I saw your article about it. I can't believe it's not clutter and my forty five you carbon rack. That's also forty inches. Deep well whole ton of networking and control systems that network video recorder holy screwdriver rachman. You're getting one of their gorgeous enclosed wreck soon. Oh yeah the twenty four you bigger than your wall mount carbon racks but smaller than their tallboy. Did you see what's happening with carbon on the cyber power website. Oh yeah the promo ten percent off all their racks and rack accessories through the end of september. I put a link up at computer talk. Radio dot com computer talk radio dot com with everything we need to balance. We need to cover the fact that while there may be negative aspects technology there are many positive aspects to technology. And that's a lot of what i'm going to be talking about for the next few minutes here. The website computer talk radio dot com computer. Talk radio dot com. Scroll down where it says. Contact us today and yes we will communicate with you so i do admit that i try to do a balance on my show. I try to point out to the positive of technology as well as the negative technology. It doesn't help if i am sitting here and i'm saying you need to buy the the latest and greatest of everything that's up here. You need in one hundred twenty inch television screen. You need this. You know the latest and greatest smartphone from From apple o. Eight knelt samsung just came out with one so need the samsung phone. Now oh no appleby you know. They had their response that you need to buy that one now. I'm not going to encourage you to buy you don't to brand new smartphones every year and keep switching back and forth between the platforms or any of that. I'm not i enjoy technology. I love technology. But i am not even though i'm employed in the technology sector. I'm not necessarily beholden to every new technology so Let's talk about the fact that we're always hearing about how the internet and everything out there. How technology can endanger you. I mean we could sit here and the nightly news does this a lot for us. Virus's our fishing identity theft. Modern technology makes it very easy to find out a lot of information about you. And yeah i mean all you have to z. Hop on your your cities local tax website you can find out someone's address the value of their home and this is on zillow as well Because his permissions public you can find out all of the features. The home how long they've lived there and everything from their snowballs into getting more and more information with relative ease. Now yeah there are downsides to this but there are upsides to the same things. There are a number of different websites out there that you know that will help researcher your neighborhood and find out if there are criminals lurking around especially some of the dangerous ones. The ones that might be looking to do bad things to children. But you know this is also. This is all leveraged in a number of different directions. We can find out more about job interviewees. We can find out more about a you know who are meeting. Who you've swiped. I don't even know. I i was about ready to say who leaves live right on but i don't know if it's right or left that's the good thing is so we could find out about them before we actually meet them. I mean yeah. we can find out about our starbucks. You know fellow. Customers are fellows starbucks. The elton visitors in the cashiers. And all of that. No no i mean that that gets into a little bit creepy direction by you know. It's actually good that we have the some ability to find out some of the bad guys around. I'll tell you we use this at my church. We the we have to run background checks on anybody who is in a position of authority. Anybody who is running Along in helping all of these little kids get their way to the classroom and stuff like that and the internet protects us in other ways. I will tell you that online weather reports are coming in and they are far more accurate than anything. We're gonna read in a newspaper. They are more important than you. Get getting on the radio or television yawkey. The television does have the doppler seven thousand. Whatever they put together you know and actually i. i haven't watched live to allow. It could be up to seventy thousand now for all. I know but you know they've got all of these different ideas on what they're going to do to make sure that you know exactly where every drop of rain is falling. The you know. Accuweather has same radar reports on their app. So that's not too bad cell. You can also check the traffic online. You can see if there's accidents on the road where you're heading out even if you listen to a station that plays you know the the traffic report on the ones or the nines or whatever. It is Traffic and weather on the ninth. I don't know the it all varies depending on which which radio station. You're listening to a even if you do that. It's not going to be as accurate as the information. You're going to find online and you can also use the internet to monitor security cameras in your home or business now okay. Some people get concerned about the idea of y'all security cameras in the home. Anybody can log onto my security cameras. They can see me wandering around As i'm getting ready in the morning. Yeah that's that's not a good idea but actually a lot of those have been locked down a lot. And there's you can configure these cameras to e mail your phone with a picture or a video anytime. Motion is detected in what you expect to be an empty home and we have seen a lot of different advancements with the internet. We we get these amber alerts from the police departments from the sheriff's departments in also from From your state and and it will vary depending on location but you can also send information. We're now at the point where a number of communities are enabling nine one one texting you just text nine one one and there are many things that have been prevented because someone said something bad over the internet and somebody saw something you say. See something say something. Yeah and and i struggle with that concept because it means tattling on everybody but some things maybe we do need to share but not only this stuff but the the internet can actually keep us out of cars out of accidents. We're using amazon. Instead of barnes and noble were using the internet instead of the library. We're using net flicks instead of blockbuster sell much. That blockbuster has gone out of business. The library is struggling. Your local library is definitely struggling. Barnes and noble they only surviving because they're still maintaining a very solid internet presence. So yeah we can get food delivered. We can get all kinds of things walmart delivers. And what you've got door dash all of these different delivery companies. Zoe we've managed this that last year. All of this cove stuff. We've been protected and sheltered from having to go on out driving having to go out and be infected with viruses and stuff like this look onstar. Continue reports on your on your car maintenance. I mean that's that's beyond the regular contact taliban. The event of an emergency. And i'm using onstar is as an example. A lot of the different car manufacturers have their own version of onstar sell. Yes if you're driving toyota. There's i don't know at toyota uses. And i don't know nissan years is i don't know it. Bmw mercedes used. But yeah you've got the idea there. But can i'm not saying that there aren't risks on the internet and i'm not saying that there are risks with technology risks and dangers exist everywhere in our lives. No matter what we do no matter what actions. We take no matter where we go. Whatever it is. There's going to be some level of Just danger that's going to be out there. It's it's real life. This doesn't mean there aren't also safety benefits as well it. It doesn't mean that there aren't advantages that we can that we can get delivered through whatever it is that we're working with. Please try to keep in mind both of these different situations when you're on the computer walking around on the street it dealing with whatever it is in your life bad guys are not limited to the cyber world. Bad guys aren't limited to the real world. They're going to cross our paths wherever we go so then demonizing the internet and going back to what our nightly news says. Just take take a relaxing break. Just pour yourself a glass of wine or whatever it is that you do to relax in the evening and just now that everything will be alright. This is benjamin rodwell. You're listening to computer talk. I'll be back with more injustice micro center home to all kinds of electronics and computer items has over twenty locations across the country and it's also available at micro center dot com this is benjamin rockwell of computer talk radio. I live just a couple of miles away from my local micro center and i've been shopping there for years from apple to win those. They've got a you need. Cpu's got him screwdrivers and other tools yup cable television skinner's projectors cameras. They have it. All micro center is a place which fills your electronic needs. What are you looking for. Media centers monitors mice. Mp three players media modems motherboards memory. Just the m.'s. They are regional but spread across our great land from virginia to california. Each one is service and repair in store. Clinics and business services to micro center dot com. Is their online store. A place where you can get your regular online ordering needs met from the hobbyist to professional la brea name or building yourself. Micro center is your resource. Checkout micro center dot com today micro center dot com. Vins reached out to me. You can do it to go to computer talk. Radio dot com computer talk radio dot com now. Vinson's concern was this. Is this time to consider a computer. Built a custom computer built. Bill did yourself and the answer is yeah Yes the the whole idea of the chip. World is is going to be affecting us to some extent. And if you can't get the computer that you want the one you need the the one that's configured the way you need it then yes building it yourself. It has become viable once again. Don't do it to save money. i'm gonna tell you right now. Do not do it to save money. Do it to get what you need now. This this does come into a number of different items a number of different areas. And i want you to make sure that you follow a number of different rules not rules thick more guidelines. Yes i'm quoting a movie barely Paraphrase in a movie whenever. I don't know what you're doing. Tech weiss know what you're doing and you've got to have some experience with mechanical installations. I had an employee work for me once. Who is it was a mechanic. But i said all you do. Is you pull out this card input in this card. And that's all you need an you turn it on and then you install the software. He's i can do that. Ga you can. It's in the manual right years the manual and if you run into problems reach out to me. He rarely had to reach out to me. He knew i was a source of information on a great knowledge resource. But you know if you have some idea with mechanical and you can read the manual. You deal with like legos. You understand the logistics of repairing items. You're going to be doing just fine now. Don't break components i. It's kind of going back to that. Know what you're doing. Some of the components are going to be sensitive on installation. You're not gonna use a hammer you want to be careful that you don't bend pins and if you're putting together like you're putting the cpu into the motherboard. You know you wanna be careful where you know where you're getting to that point near installing. Cpa watch a youtube video ahead of time. So you know what you're doing. The nice thing is all of the different components in the hardware. Have specific setups for making sure that you don't turn things the wrong direction. They've made it kind of. I don't wanna say idiot. Proof because idiots are so ingenious but they've they've done a lot of work to make sure hey You know put the purple thing. You know the purple plug into the purple receptacle. You put the green plug into the green receptacle you but the blue and the blue and knee all the way along and you're gonna do just fine so most of the hardware these days you've got a basic guideline already now. You do wanna make sure that you get matching components. Don't mix and match a whole lot of different things as you know if you go to a reputable source. They're going to provide a lot of guidance for you as far as okay. You're getting this motherboard. You need this type of chip. You need this type of ram. It's all really well laid out and there are videos along the way to guide you through these different things. There's videos to guide you towards putting the motherboard into the system but in the cpu onto the motherboard installing the hard drive and going through all of the different levels. That are along the way. Now i do want you to make sure you get a solid state drive for your system. Yes you can get regular hard drives and there's rachel hard rhymes out there and i'm trying to encourage people to move away from the regular army drives because at this point you are. You're really going to be saving pennies and losing dollars. What do i mean by that. It's most cost effective to get that solid state drive because of the speed. It's gonna give you so much of a boost to your performance in. I used to say you. Don't get two drives. One was solid state. The other one was the old fashioned platter drive. I'm not even saying that. Any more solid state. You'll save five bucks on a whatever. It is a terabyte. Maybe ten dollars on a terabyte. It's not worth it. The performance hit the. You're going to take on those old platter. Drives is is significant. Don't cheat on anything important. I mean everything is important. I want you to think about this. You want to get the best hard drive you can within your budget. Your best monitors especially your eyeballs are struggling your best. Gpa you and graphics processing video card if you're gaming and so forth the most likely point of failure own is your power supply. And i don't want you to cheap out there either. Get a reputable brand with more than enough power for your system. You're going to go through. And you're going to tally up. How big of of this power supply that you're going to want and you're going to upgrade that power supply. Maybe a couple of times. Yeah i tallied it all up. I figured it up. And i need a three hundred watt power supply. Get a five hundred. this is this is something. I i know people who go on out. No they'll put together the numbers and they'll get the bare minimum in power supply. Well no you wanna get a good one and you wanna make sure. It's high powered now. I don't want you to overspend on a single component. You wanna spread your budget out if you get for instance a five hundred dollar video card and then you spend two hundred dollars on the rest of the system you're not you're gonna wind up with a bottleneck you're not going to get the response out of that video card that you were hoping for so you want to figure out your overall budget and you wanna kind of split everything out. You don't wanna go to do expensive on the graphics card. You don't wanna get too crazy with ram. You don't wanna get too crazy with the cpu because it will all wind up being different bottlenecks. I do want you to consider some of the aftermarket. cpu and gpu cooling units. This isn't strictly necessary. But if you are bumping up into i'm gonna say somewhere in that twelve to fifteen hundred dollar ranger more you're going to want to pay close attention to what you're doing with your cooling and this is something that a lot of people overlook and yeah. You may not have do. But i would suggest it. It's going to help with the longevity. It's going to help with the performance in. It's going to help you. Just make a killer system last but not least if you've got the opportunity watch for the sales are frequently good. Sales and combo deals on the various components. So you can stag something for good price. You can save a few bucks. But i want you to realize that. That ship prices are shifting. So right now is the ideal time to dive in the way too long. And you're gonna you're gonna be paying more. This is benjamin rodwell. You're listening to computer talk radio. I'll be back with more injustice moment. Hey guys this is benny rockwell. Most of us use video cameras nowadays. But what about those old movie films in the back of your closet. Well let me tell you about legacy digital productions. They specialize in taking your old memories on film. Videotape and slides and digitizing them to dvd's imagine grandpa's old eight millimeter sixteen millimeter films. 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The idea. And laurie reached out to me and laurie asked me. What is the thing that you dread what i'd read the most in professional it. And you know. I'll tell you it's it's not the callers. It's not the people who reach out to me with computer questions with technology questions with their problems with any of that. I enjoy that i thrive on that. It's a you know. I i want to be careful on how i say this is it. I don't want it to come across wrong but along the lines of it's it's not an ego boost. 'cause i don't think of it quite as an ego boost but i'd like to help people and i think that's kind of where i'm going with us i i. I like to help people and i it. It's it feels good to me to be of help to people. I am In in in the church world. I one of my gifts is being of service. I love to help out wherever i can. So this is this is just come. It comes naturally to me. Now tell you the next item That comes to mind about. What is the thing. I dread most in professional. It it's not the problems themselves. Because i thrive on mysteries. I thrive on solving these different things. It's very similar to solving the problems for people and helping them out but also trying to figure out why this computer is broken. Trying to figure out what it could have been. And i will tell you that i. I frequently discuss things with people after. I fixed their computer You know through them asking me questions. they'll ask me. You know five ten questions. I'll say try this. try this. Try that try this and then give me a holler back if none of those work actually much to give me a holler back and tell me which one of those worked and usually it's it's the first or second one sometimes. It's the third one. But it gives me more of that knowledge in computing. I will tell you i. E you know the the thing that i dread the most when we're talking about in my professional. It world and this has happened over the years It's whenever i hear something that went wrong. And i have no information beyond that. I know something went wrong. And i don't know if that impacted me if that was something i broke if that was something that somebody else did. If if i you know violated some rule. If i forgot something whatever it is a funny thing is i will tell you. I had an incident like this just a matter of of about a week or two ago payment three weeks ago. Whatever it was and i it was just a matter of i was sitting there and i knew we were going to discuss this myself in one of my coworkers and it was not good. I had already gotten the idea that just because of the way we were doing this. It was not good. Fortunately like so many times. no. I didn't do anything wrong. I did everything absolutely right. it was. How do we handle this person. How do we treat the issue. That went wrong. How do we. How do we address this and And so forth. But i'll tell you it's that interim time period and we all we all do this to some extent. It's it is almost superhuman to not worry. It's superhuman to not have some doubts. Along the way. And i think for me personally i i too easily dread these things. I too easily fall into the trap of of worrying and not putting my faith in god in in the work that i do my experience my my overall knowledge over the years and look at how do i. How do i deal with this. How do i set this all aside. How do i prevent that. That internal panic in the answer is well usually once. I realize the panic is there. I started working on setting a design. And i go look. I've got this knowledge. I've got this experience. And i've done this for however long and it. It's perfectly fine every you know. Everyone makes mistakes. I'll tell you that. I've seen people make very expensive mistakes. We have this this concern. Oh i i make a mistake in the in the job office in You know on the job in the workplace. And i'm always under lose my job. I will tell you that most companies you have to not mess up once but you have to mess up a number of times and you have to be particularly bad at your at your mistakes. We have to keep doing the same problems over and over again. If you're always making new mistakes that's a little different too because if you're always making new mistakes even though you're making a lot of them it means you're learning from your old mistakes. Some of our jobs have a lot of different areas where things can go wrong and our employers and i'm speaking both from an employee perspective and from an employer perspective having supervised many people. I'll tell you if somebody's making the same mistake. Can it again and again and again really. We've discussed this a yellow dozen times last six weeks. That's going to be more painful for me. Then oh you broke this fine. All you made a mistake here. That's fine you did this wrong. That's fine you're learning songs. You're getting better because we we do get strapped with some of these different columbine locked but that's probably the best term i've got at the immediate moment dariga this benjamin rockwell. You're listening to computer. Talk radio me back with more. In just a moment took years ago. I found a web hosting company that fit my needs a computer nerd as a radio show host and well a normal person. Recently though it became clear to me that it was time to upgrade. I had a choice between my old plan and the new one at seven times the cost it. Was that awkward point where i could choose between a sip of water or being dunked in a pool. I searched around comparing the mini options for someone like me. After looking for three weeks there it was site ground in proper fashion. I tested their customer service their knowledge and their care their willingness to do things the right way the site ground salesman made sure that i didn't over by and get a fifty gallon bucket one. All i needed was a one gallon bucket. The folks at site ground no wordpress jamila and more site ground dot com s. it ground dot com for your web hosting needs site ground. I clicked on a headline all. I thought it was a headline may it enticed me in with a news worthy item. I figured okay. I'll click on it and it and i've gone through and i'm on to the next page right now and it's just the picture. It's the lead picture to this entire article and down at the bottom. It says. Enter your email to continue reading this story. And more of the atlantic's journalism now. I have been on the atlantic before. And you know i. I've read some of their articles and spend probably a month or two since. I've read one of their articles but the fact that i'm sitting here and i'm i i i'm presented with i. I got a headline and then just a picture in then they enter your email to continue reading the story. I'm not continuing reading the story. I haven't read any part of the story whatsoever. So why am i giving them my email address and then of course it dawns on me. It's something that's really aware or were all aware of this. We're all we're all abundantly aware that the rise of click bait has come to even the legitimate somewhat. Legitimate news source is out there. Depending on how you think of the atlantic. I'll refer to them as legitimate i. I am just dumbfounded. You're going to give me a headline and then you're not gonna even give me any any idea. What's behind the headline for me to continue reading. No so my response here is to just close the window. I know we're tended to give them the email address it's only our email. Address were tended to give them answers to just a couple of questions were tended to allow them to have a brief glimpse into our lives. But unfortunately those brief glimpses start adding up and they start tearing down the entire framework of what should be free and how much we are benefiting them. I will find the story somewhere else. I will find a way to find out a little bit more in regards to this entire situation or i won't because it's click bait. It's so obvious that it's click bait. You have to enter in your email address before we give you any idea. What the stories about that tells me. It's click bait. That tells you it's click bait and we as a people need to stop pursuing click bait. We don't always realize it but at a certain point we come to the realization that you we don't need to go any further. We don't need to go down these different rabbit holes click. Bait is more than just interesting. Vacuous it's somewhere in that neighborhood of celebrity gossip and i don't need to know what kind of cologne that the kardashian's wearing for instance. I really could care less. Because i'm never going to be close enough to smell them. So why focus on. Why even be considered with it. We are considered that entire process. Let go of click bait. Let go of the unessential stick with the most important things. 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Aaron Mahnke's Cabinet of Curiosities

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"They welcomed aaron monkeys cabinet of production of heart. Radio and grim and mild. Our world is full of the unexplainable and if history is an open book all of these amazing tales right there on display just waiting for us to explore welcome to the cabinet of curiosities from the mid nineteen fifty s to nineteen seventy five. The united states and the soviet union were engaged in a major conflict not a literal battle. Mind you but a figurative one. It was a race for the stars for the moon and for technological superiority space race lead to countless discoveries both americans and the russians launched unmanned satellites planetary probes and sent astronauts into orbit soviet pilot. Eureka garin was the first human to enter outer space in april of nineteen sixty one but the united states wasn't far behind one month later. Alan shepherd did his country proud and became the first american in space. In the years following shepherd's launch nasa worked on a second human powered space. Flight called mercury redstone. Four engineers developed a small spacecraft. They dubbed the liberty bell seven to be steered by air force pilots and astronauts virtual. Gus grissom the craft was designed to be carried by the rocket with grissom inside before breaking off on its own. It was a true feat of engineering and sports. Several technological advances of the time for example it featured a new rate stabilization system. Which allowed grissom to. Reorient the capsule using a handheld controller. Corning glass works the same company behind the popular. Bakeware made the window of the liberty bell. Seven out of a type of glass capable of withstanding temperatures as high as eighteen hundred degrees fahrenheit. But perhaps the most impressive component of the spacecraft was the explosive hatch nasa designed to get grissom out in case of an emergency in previous iterations. The hatch was secured with seventy bolts to evacuate the capsule and astronaut would have to climb through an antenna compartment tight fit for even the slimmest astronauts and if the person inside had suffered an injury or fallen unconscious there'd be no way for someone on the outside to get them free to triggered the detonation of the new hatch. The person inside had to remove a pin and then press down on a plunger it could also be done by someone on outside go by pulling on a ripcord as if they were deploying the parachute on the day of the launch. Grissom boarded the redstone rocket and settled into the liberty bell seven module. It took off from cape canaveral florida on july twenty first of nineteen sixty one ascending toward the heavens and zooming through the sky for over two minutes when the rocket reached its desired altitude. The engines died in a capsule separated. Grissom was now on his own gazing down at cape canaveral and the surrounding area from over one hundred miles up. He floated among the stars taking in the view from the top of the world. Before reorienting the liberty bell seven for re entry. His time in had been short but breathtaking. Grissom fired up the retro rockets and craft back toward the earth. Picking up speed on his way down as sunlight poured through the glass windows obscuring his view at twenty one thousand feet his drogue parachute deployed to slow his descent at twelve thousand feet his main parachute fired and he eased into a splashdown in the north atlantic ocean. Rescue team was underway way by helicopter. But grissom needed to get some information. I it quickly gathered his bearings record the data from the instruments in the cabin then pulled the pin out of the detonator to the hatch. Door though he had no intention of exiting the spacecraft so soon so he didn't push the plunger. The hatch had other plans though it blew open on its own in the capsule started to flood. Grissom refused to go down with the ship. He swam out on his own and bobbed in the water waiting for his team to come get him. They got there just in time. His spacesuit had begun losing its buoyancy due to an air leak in the neck. If he'd waited much longer the weight of the suit would have dragged him down with it. Gus grissom was saved that day. However he criticized the design of the hatch which he claimed had popped off on its own. As a result of the doors unpredictable behavior it was changed by nasa for the apollo one launch six years later the apollo one mission saw the return of gus grissom now joined by two new astronauts named ed white and roger chaffee nasr's engineers had taken grissom's complaints about the original hatch door to heart the apollo one command module now featured a more secure plug door design which opened from the inside and used air pressure inside the cabin to keep it closed on january twenty seventh nineteen sixty seven. Jaffe white and grissom were strapped into the command module to perform launch simulation test. The cabin was pressurized. The air inside was replaced with pure oxygen minutes after they began their test. A spark in the wiring caused a fire which grew in seconds. It was fueled by the oxygen being pumped into the cabin whites. Tried to open the door. But the internal pressure had risen too high it wouldn't open it couldn't tragically chaffee white and grissom died that day. All because the hatch had worked exactly as it was supposed to do this. Episode of cabinet of curiosities was made possible by henrik's jin made in a tiny scottish seaside village and deliciously infused with roseanne cucumber it's a concoction invented by master distiller leslie gracie each batch five hundred leaders at a time and believe it or not hendrix has its own cabinets of curiosities. There's an actual cabinet to which is located inside the hendrick's gin palace in girvan scotland. This lack cabinet is where ms leslie gracie stores all the curious gen concoctions. She has crafted. There's a hendrick's gin cocktail. For all kinds of occasions to this holiday delight your guests with a delectable yet easy to make cocktail like the hendrix cranberry phys think of it as the perfect refreshment to sip on on the fire on a cold winter day. And it's really simple to make to just one part hendrix to part cranberry juice and one part sparkling wine. Then you combine all the ingredients in glass filled with ice stir them lightly and garnished with cucumber slices. Meant an cranberries considerate for your next holiday party. This winter hendrick's gin escaped the conventional embrace the delectable find more recipes at hendrick's gin dot com. Great cocktails start with responsible measuring. Please enjoy the unusual responsibly. Hendrick's gin forty four percent alcohol by volume twenty twenty imported by william grant and sons inc. New york new york. They called it wildcat in talking about the college football formation. That came years later in earlier times. And we're talking about the first decades of the eighteen hundreds here there was new american slang for the business world but it wasn't used much until that is the oil boom especially with the discovery of oil in western pennsylvania and what it mean well even in the early days. The oil industry was controlled by a few powerful players think. Jd rockefeller's standard oil company. Lots of independent oilman too. Because the more people want to buy oil the more it was an opportunity for people with small fortunes to turn them into big ones. Those were the wildcats and as more and more people decided to take their shot at a rich and undiscovered oil deposits. The more well known while catting became for instance take john. He was a successful actor who celebrity and powerful performance as made popular and brought him a good living. The newspapers called him a star of the first magnitude and the youngest star in the world and the most handsome man on the american stage. There were even some who would look at him as quite rich especially because he was just twenty four years old and john agreed. My goose does indeed hang high. He wrote to a friend. He had made a tidy sum from his stage performances and general handsomeness but the outfits people saw him wear the velvet. The for line royal coats the silver buckles gold embroidery. Those belonged to his characters like richard. The third and win. Chronic bronchitis may john's throat titan. He started to lose his voice and he wondered if he would be better off finding a way to turn his earnings into a new stream of revenue so he put on flannel and overalls and traveled inland to the allegheny mountains in western pennsylvania in eighteen fifty nine inventor named edwin drake kicked off pennsylvania's oil boom when he drilled the first commercial oil well in titusville pennsylvania and shot a hole down into the ground to get below the seepage on the surface and really suck up the good stuff in under a year. There were five hundred wells dotting the countryside and it was five years later that wanted in on that game and he brought along a few pals from his theater days. They came from cleveland and boston and threw in their lot together to create what they called the dramatic company when they were looking for the right land to strike it rich. John met with one local driller who reached out to shake his hand and then apologized his palm was covered in. Never mind john replied. That's what we're after. He hired the man hoping it would greece his poems to john also convinced to sister rosalie to buy into the industry and gave her some money to spend. She took one thousand dollars and invested in different wildcat. Maybe john should've taken that as a sign. Jon and his partners thought they found the right spot. They bought an oil lease on three and a half acres of farm outside franklin pennsylvania and dropped to well into the ground to live up to their company title. They gave the well in name. Will lena after one of their wives in the summer of eighteen sixty four they started drilling and then they waited. John traveled back and forth from his frontier oil operations. Who his ordinary hangouts on the coast. Places like new york in washington dc where he had friends he was a wildcatter sure but a half-hearted even when he was in franklin he spent more time in taverns than he did trying to find ways for his oil investments to pay out he was more interested in watching the progress of the civil war and chatting politics with his city pals than in doing oil business. It needed his attention though. Willow mean the oil. Well wasn't working out. Yes the dramatic oil company. Got a few barrels a day but it was nothing like what they hoped for and john found that one of his cleveland partners with spending the company money on hats and watches the two men got into a knife fight and john came away with bleeding wounds dramatic oil company indeed to sort out the well. John took advice from other oil hunters and tried a new method dropping charges of black powder down into a dry hole. The idea was that if pockets of oil were just close enough to the shaft. The explosion would burst it open and the oil would come flowing into the well. It was an early version of fracking called shooting the well. Of course digging. The well in the first place was expensive. John through lots of his stage money at the project when it came time to buy some explosives. Well between the oil boom and the war powder wasn't cheap. Naturally the money for that black powder came out of john's pocket. The thing was john's shooting turned a bad situation. Worse instead of bringing more oil into the well black powder explosion made a collapse. One partner son said that the blast utterly ruined the whole and the well never yielded another drop despite his enthusiasm. John's plans pulled his partners into a mess in an ironic. Twist john sister rosalie made good on her investment outside. Franklin her well brought thousands of barrels of oil out of the ground but john's dramatic oil company was a dramatic failure. He had dropped more than five thousand dollars into the efforts. Almost one hundred thousand dollars in today's money his fortunes followed the explosives underground in a very real example of the phrase sunk costs shooting the barren earth. Just through good money after bad but it was far from the most desperate thing that john would do nor was it the darkest marks on his legacy for that we turn to eighteen. Sixty five seething. With disappointment john retreated from pennsylvania when someone asked him where he was going. John only answered. I am going to hell. It wasn't his only disappointments either. Because john was a southern sympathizer so he was also gushing with rage about the south's defeat and the civil war in baltimore. He pulled together childhood friends and former confederate soldiers. The hatch a new and even more dramatic plot by now. You probably see it coming. Although abraham lincoln and the nation did not because that actor turned failed oilman which handle his anger into a loaded pistol and shoot the president. The next hunt would be for him as the call went out the country to unearth and assassin a wildcat oilman named john wilkes booth. I hope you've enjoyed today's guided tour of the cabinet of curiosities. Subscribe for free on apple podcasts or learn more about the show by visiting curiosities. Podcast dot com. The show was created by me. Aaron monkey in partnership with how stuff works i make award winning show called lor which is a podcast book series and television show and you can learn all about it over at the world of lore dot com and until next time stay curious.

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Part 3: Bill Downes, Johnny D

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

56:25 min | 2 years ago

Part 3: Bill Downes, Johnny D

"As you know bill it's always a little bitter sweet right when a season ends. Yes yes it. It's Kinda like this state especially when you have a longer meat now. I worked at places like Alice Park where they had. Twenty seven rationing dates. And by the time you get there the the the the season's over I worked at places like Bela Park. That's had more than one hundred twenty eight days in the season and feel like with with that you just feel like yeah I want to get out of here but in about a month and a half year like season to start up again. So it's it's sort of feeling I been such a routine. It's Because I do the more in line and married the program comments for people that are on track the by the program so I very very regimented routine when I get into the into the racetrack each day and once they start my day and so now it's like now I have a lot more free time on my hands. I can do whatever they want so like especially even today. I don't have entries. I don't I have to make a morning line. Second Kinda just chill and spend more time looking at the The horses on the track and So it's it's it's one of those. It's a different aren't feeling if you will and I gotta ask because certainly a lot of race callers we'll have a circuit But when you have a when you've got a job that that's an extended meat. It's not as you know. It's not as imperative that you go and immediately swing to the next just to the next gig how do you how do you typically spend the off season well Let's say yes If there is a winter winter track that do and I would love to that I would like to go to and they would like to me I would certainly take a look at that You know for the longest time. Ironically glad worked at a winter track. I worked at Beulah Park for many many years and so they raised in the wintertime. And ask that's how that's how I sustained myself if you will as a racetrack announcer. I've been a professional track announcers than the nineteen ninety nine and in the horse racing industry since like ninety six so professionally So it was with having that second job if you will do in the morning line and program comment it does allow me that flexibility of not having go somewhere else right away But if it ever does present itself I would certainly look at any other Racetrack in the wintertime. I'm just that my right now. My first priority is Is Indiana grand. I love it. Well let's before we talk about the yesterday of the the futurity. The two year olds Indiana breads and today a couple of steaks. Close out the season before we talk about them. Some some of the some of the story lines. And and the way the you know the season Ebbs and flows some of your highlights. Well of course I think okay out the obviously our main highlight every year is Indiana Derby night and we said another record handle This year with Indiana Derby night and we we certainly had a couple of Really Nice Horses. That won a two big races on the car. Of course Mr Money for bread. Calhoun and For Larry Jones Street band with Sophie oil stuff toil became the first woman to win the Indian oaks and Yeah I mean those are there was such a great night of Rafik overall You know in terms of the betting handle this year. We started off slow. I think the OAKLAWN Extending their me probably hurt us a little bit. I don't know how much I would have to talk to the numbers people to see what they had to say. But things really picked up. I think I I'm not thinking. I know that we're going to be up handle wise overall probably like about five percent and per race. I think it'll be about a little over two percent change a little bit with the last couple of days. I can see what what we did yesterday but You know considering where we were at early in the meat we really picked it up toward the middle part and the meat and towards the end of the meats. And so it's GonNa be another All Time I am handle record at Indiana grand the seeds. And that's something that we're pretty proud of. We got really lucky in terms of weather towards the end of the meat Where we didn't get a whole lot of rain we're able to extend our turf course Too late October We haven't run out. We didn't run on the last couple of days. but We got got further into October than we normally do with our airports and so that was a help as well you know. It seems like a pretty good racing season mostly positives And then this year really nice couple of the leaders and looking at looking at the training title. I mean that became came very obvious that Genaro Garcia was going to basically be uncatchable. Yes yes so. How many horses? So therefore he was able to draw away if you will And One By I think he's up like twenty going into the final day. Brad Cox says thirty eight General Fifty Eight. Of course Brad has a higher percentage to keep that in mind but was another excellent year Opera Generic Garcia. Who's been at the top of the leaderboard? A real close to it Every year last two or three years when I remember well how and Marcelino Pedroza a runaway winner is the riding title and Penny Lower and of course yesterday in in fact I think Michael They won. They wanted right. They won one of the year on copper. With confidentially multiple wins on the day. If I remember Yes yes it was a two or three. I know they had at least two Let me look here. Elliott three because Wished in the ninth race as well. So Yes they had. The three wins On the cards at Lower and John Court came in the ride and that was a twenty two in fact twenty to one and shot keyed lower. If you keep lower in the in the two stakes yesterday copper nickel a winner pays forty three six as the as you mentioned with John Court and won going away. Favorite Lady Allie was second for for Glide Shaw but then in the that was in the girls race in in the boys race and the horse copper nickel by a stroll bred by Frank Brown and when it came to the the boys race the Gelding elving Bhai gemologist. My ties gem a logical actually actually went up at second choice to last words was was a slight favorite. They both were three to two. But how `Bout Mike Lower and penny strong tied fifty to one SEC. Yeah from outside post as well. Yeah Rodney pro was yes at nine thirty on a wide post and You know I I have to give my nightside Jemma Quite a bit of credit because glee into the race. I thought there were a lot of early speed horses in the race and it was his first time going around two turns. You mentioned the breeding but the the early pace was pretty quick for a mile and seventy yards for two year olds. Forty seven point three nine and a half and the phillies race to give you some some context They went forty eight point. Two six the APP so Much faster pace and they. They came home a little bit faster as well. I I might is jammed was second early on took lead was passed once again but came back in the stretch turned away all challengers or remember what I said a stretch call and My ties jam As you know I guess was the second choice. But they were both at three two two words for Glide Shah was technically the favor with a little bit more money but to last words You know did all right and finished third and the rates and glass shot and a second and third in the two stakes races but my thanks. Jim really took another step forward. Winning the Indiana few charity. Well of course. We talked a lot about a month ago. There was the you know the In the lead up to this these races one hundred thousand and we've talked about my ties gym on a regular basis of the summer in the fall. Yeah and it's also great to see Sean Parker who was at the top of the jockey standings before he got hurt and the back for the last few weeks but You know able to get a sticks went here on the at the penultimate Racing in the grand With for Tony Durant Iran. Who is the owner breeder and trainer of mine cisgender gotta be satisfying? That's what awkward for those connections. Well let's take a look at The last car of of twenty nine thousand nine bill bill downs with Indiana grant. And today we got the Francis Slocum One hundred fifty thousand. These are stated phillies and mayors and then on the other side of the coin is the eight the too much coffee have have this one for for the boys. Also the mile and a sixteenth. Some thoughts well expect anything. Go off as the favourite that that I'm pretty sure. Sure on a winner of the Richmond stakes and won the Shelby County stakes earlier. This season so Going for a TRIFECTA stakes races this year and I always not expect any Is a little bit better going aground even though she is pretty darn good sprinter in her own right but she just dominating the Richmond stakes Put put away unbridled. Classy was rival for most of the season. Here in Indiana grand. I'm brought up in this race but expect indie Can Be on or or near the lead and These route races. She doesn't tend to be too far back so from an inside post. I expected to be closed but the only pay center in the race probably. Yeah I would think it's going to be marines legacy Coming out of the grade one first lady here in West decided to take a chance in the running down a key Lin went off at a price didn't get lead and then finished second last But she might be just a little bit better of a of a tur- force than she is a dirt horse and a dry racetrack. which we're GONNA get today? She's the only one for five lifetime so she was kind of a hard horse hard merita price in the morning. I know she's going to get bad. Didn't know how much it's GONNA get bad. I put her at four to one But marinas legacy certainly kind of an interesting wildcard in the race fireball. Baby who's been going up against some tough a phillies phillies this year. finally got a win in a restricted stakes rate. where she just totally outclassed the field and one as a heavy favorite she finished behind? Expect Indie Indie two. Starts back in the Richmond. Sakes she certainly is is a contender and then you wonder she got thunder. I don't know what to do with her She won the four and Sanderson. There's an stakes Being older fillies and Mares on September third then came back in a open allowance optional claiming race on the turf as well didn't didn't Didn't fire in that race She broke her maiden on on dirt but only has a victory on dirt So therefore she's GonNa think they got a big step forward if she wants to be expected Indian the France. You hit most. Yeah you hit most of the you you know. The potential tie INS with depending on how people are going to key off of expect indie. I'll mention two horses that that are a little interesting Black Act Nova for Ron Brown. Yeah who's had a very. Is that a very nice meat. And a consistent me and Black Nova coming off of a a kind of a money allowance against St breads but that win to back against open company. Yep that performance certainly fits in here and you looking at at a twelve to one line. I thought Black Nova needed to be included. And I'm a little interested in. Hey little bit. The Barbara McBride Mayor the seven year old and she keeps good company that that effort the last time which included a number of these as as well as a black Nova it feels like she's kind of circling back to a good race to me and fifteen to one on her. So I don't know too with the six seven nine twelve The marinas legacy. I don't know what the she you know. Going back to the the dirt maybe she is competitive but I guess it depends on how much how much pressure I had Brad Cox yesterday. And and he brought up wonder she's got thunder and then he I think he's expecting a big effort. She did not draw well. That is not an easy trip considering how quick the turn comes up. Yes yeah you mentioned Black Nova he a little bit a couple of thinks about both of those to Philly wants bear Black you know kind of ran a career best rates September twenty. I had a pretty strong taste. Run at didn't have a stronger faith in the in the October sixteenth race which She finished behind hate little bit so I don't know what do you want to call too. Just ray shape or whether whether or not you know balance a little bit a little bit. Though I did bounced back nicely in that race. October sixteenth really. Wasn't that fast early pace the fact that she warn that race On October sixteenth. As is telling me that she is turning around and on her best day she can she can certainly hang with the the top division and But just like Black Nova. She likes to come from quite a bit off the pace so it's just a matter. You know how you think I guess the race is going to uh setup and is a big field Got Marinas Legacy got expect. Any won't be aerospace. I'm sure there's a couple of others in this show since early speed. Well that it gets us to the too much coffee and operation. Stevie the obvious favorite off Gus grissom but he doesn't have to win now no he doesn't You know he did win last time out and When the GUS GRISSOM stakes from off the pace but it was a pretty strong faith and that's toys the cues operation Stevie? Here's a strong days. He he moves away out. Because you know it's GonNa make this is trademark run from the back of the fact And so then it becomes. Well who do you like in this race besides that you know little. Kansas is Kinda really it has really improved in him. Beat this season you know came back has a nose for for the finish line. Came back in a bank on September. Looked like he was never gonNA get up with the wind and somehow did and I was like all all right. That's a nice way. But you know I don't know about the brickyard stakes in which you know A big field of strong Indiana red sprinters. ran in but t got up again again by a nose in in that race and then went around to turns once again and ran pretty good because that was due west Ran One of his best races lifetime lifetime and he's in this race by the way Devil's due west. Probably in the next one I talk about but the little. Kansas doesn't usually have as much early speed as Devil's due west and devotee west. You know he's renting big races that have just manned there whether or not he can repeat another big race just two races in a row. And that's a huge question dimarco with with that gelding with Fernando de la Cruz. Back aboard once again for trainer Michael Weaver you hit you hit the highlights delights and Little Kansas. Little Kansas got my attention and I I don't I don't I don't see who somebody's somebody's GonNa have to. Somebody's going to have to leave here. I guess I duNno mystery unbridled. Maybe once yeah flower Pecker wrecker hacker could see mystery unbridled Who ran almost too good to lose In the GUS GRISSOM stakes When he lost by a head Operation Stevie in in the race before that that was just a racist alliance you that race he had all he was ranked behind horses? Horse came out on him. I'm a turn just complete disaster trip in and last time Mattia bad draw you know showed speed but he was on the outside. The extreme outside and You know got into position but flattened out in the stretch at the raise the devil's due west. One and little candidates finished second now. He's Moore for the In more of an inside draw post number six and you know there's not a whole lot a speech at the inside of him so he's GonNa trip around it. I earn so misery. Umbrella might be a long shot that to us in the too much coffee. A Ah I'M GONNA mention one other Horse Randy Matt Abuse Randy Matthews from limited. Starters had an excellent meet won fifteen races and fifty eighty four starts and Randy Matthews does a great job overall here comes doc stretched out in the in the GRISSOM and it turned in a a good effort he was he took some money. And that was off of a series of sprints. He hadn't gone to turns in a while he he's interesting in here at six to one to I. In fact I may end up. I may end up on here comes dock a Kasichs the ones the right. That's the right number. Yeah I think so yeah He certainly surprised me. How much money took In the GUS grissom sick went went off in the second choice behind Operation Phoebe but was like Seventy five eight to five and in the pricing at the end of the banning So they were high on here comes docking all right you know he was proving every call and you know finishing third in the race So yeah if Operation Stevie doesn't fire hire there's going to be probably a decent price wins it and it certainly could be here comes dot. Well bill things close out with a maiden maiden race and then a quarter race for the season. And it's been so much fun to have you on and I can't thank Indiana grant the NAFA and we hope that that people have taken an interest and have looked at Indiana if grand if you hadn't previously it's been a really good year. The racing has been inconsistent nice size fields. And you know it's fun when you when you've got a circuit where you can count on. You know regular horses running on a on a steady basis and it makes it makes it fun you get a lot of bet bax and trips and traps as Andy. famously called them and created that concept so I just look forward to next year and finished with a bank today. All Right Steve. We'll do it's been a lot of fun I I. I concur on my end as well. Bill down everybody bill downs one and for those of you that have played. It does any of the the tracks that bill has been associated with For a long time Calling the races and helping people find winners Really Nice Indiana grant the joining us this year. And we'll get back for twenty twenty. We're GONNA this. They year as I told you a very busy last hour. Johnny de standing by Johnny was traveling on Monday so we couldn't have have a our usual post Breeders Cup Conclave and we got to spend plenty of time together this week. It was great. Johnny you too to be together at your old stomping ground Nothing lights up Santa Anita like like johnny grounds. Well very very very nice and you say Santa Meeting gets along just fine without me but it sure is beautiful snow. It's such a beautiful place You know I spent most of my career there and absolutely excuse me absolutely loved being out there in the morning and the afternoon in the evening and spend a lot of time there at night but into those mountains and palm trees and the layout at Santa needed is just it's magnificent. Yeah and you know I- I. V. A. Dvr Breeders Cup show on NBC came home and and watched it and the camera really loves Santa. Anita it's just a it's just a it's just a gorgeous is points to have racing and You know we had. We had two great days of racing Until the last three hundred yards of the last race and then things Kinda went a bit sour but the overall role was a a great visit. My old stomping grounds and I enjoyed it immensely. So it's funny. You mention the camera work and the backdrop rob because when teen pick me up last night and I don't even know how came up but she said She said you know at school. A A bunch of people said they. They saw me after one of the races. And you know I I typically am out on the track Apron taking pictures and you know pressing the flash and so forth but one of her one of teen is co workers said. I'd never seen the Santa needed before before she goes it it. It doesn't look real. It looks like like a like a like a painting the way Hollywood. It does those those backdrop scenes that create an image and she asked Tina is it. Does it really. There's a look like that. Is it real and Tina laughed and said Yeah. It's unbelie she said is it is beautiful and incredible as it looks walks and the answer is yes every day every morning at the Smith Sunrise. It's absolutely true and for for me. You know I What I what I see some of the friends that I have when California? They don't see most of the year. You know everybody kind of congregates aggravates around me events you know and and and you see people at Gulfstream for Pegasus and you know see people the pre there's and then eh at Saratoga bumpers a few people but nothing is like when they're just come Santa Anita because the time I spent there the wonderful and catching catching up with people and just seeing them and so was standing next to me and I would bump into somebody walk a little further bumping somebody the else's and someone said to me. Wow these these people are really happy deceived. I said well that that's what you do when you stay away for four for five years at a time. They're really happy to see that. That's how you guarantee Yeah well we've got so much to absorb and I WANNA get. I WANNA get your your play by play from the weekend but even before that I i. I know you're listening into Vince yesterday. The response the Vince. Gregory Johnny just has been amazing. I got emails. The social media response the facebook twitter etc and he actually. While I was traveling last night he sent me a note to say thank you. You didn't have to thank thank me. I was thinking him but he said he's gotten the tide attacks. These people that he hadn't heard from in years. You know that that hurt him on the show so I he must have been and still is. He must have been plainy formidable boy when when he was when he was out. There you know getting mounts mounts for seemingly all the top riders year after year. I mean this is the lead you. So there's no other way just like he worked for An alongside many legends. You know he told some fascinating stories yesterday on the broadcast it's And and that's been you know he came across exactly album is events been around For for quite a while now fit guy an ex athlete and Just a Hollywood. Be Looking tall strapping Italian Thai man. You can understand how his his things and I'm guessing it was probably the I don't remember what exactly. But I'm guessing early Seventies. Maybe when he is finally tracked out out West you can imagine what what a scene that was in in in Hollywood with this agent and all the stars stars of producers. You Know Hollywood park was built on that was built with Hollywood in in in the in the framework and and And those parties that he must have been a part of just you know and then then the racetrack stuff He he worked for the Great. The great riders in the game and was was in on some of the The great decisions of which you know the what the story told about the McCarron and not writing John or shoemaker. Not Writing John Anymore. Amazing story that I never heard before And I thought I knew everything about reaching out Vinnie is just Benny and He has an agent You know his start off by talking a bit about his say code he didn't call the code But his coat of of of not breaking his word with trainers. And it's an interesting discussion because you know it's a it's a tough spot you find yourself in as an agent because maybe Immediately after a race. Let's say a Horse Wins and trainer. Persist you we're going to go in this state the next the next the next race you say great great. You know you're right translate. You're right the worse yes all right the worst there okay. So you're aiming for the state and then all of a sudden last minute trainer of the favorite in that state trace comes to you and says I'd like Peter Reid this source. Well now you already told the other trainer that you'd ride. Here's what's going to be four to one and the new trainer dinner is going to be six to five. Well your job is to get your writer on the best possible amount in each race right and and then you gave the first guy. I'll see you at your word but you. You told him you ride his horse. He's now informed the owners. He's informed maybe the media wherever he's he said you're GONNA ride source. He's planned all along. He hasn't Ned. Anyone exercise the horse or do you know so. He's planned on having you aboard. Well here comes the last minute. You've got this other mount it'd be you better mount a better chance of winning. What is this is this is not around the question you know? I mean it's like you know it's a business decision but this is always maintains that you follow the word. Your word is your bond and you stick by what you said you do now. That doesn't mean you can't go to the original trainer and say to him you I know I know I told you. Rod Yours I got this offer the ride favorite in the race Here's a list of what jocks roping in and there's three or four good ones. Would you mind if I move. Would it be a problem for you if I move. And in most cases the trainer will save you. When I if I get if I can get think I go you know take McCarron over there or vine get Makara? Glad leave with think whatever. The situation is so Long as you check in you get approval and you know now. Sometimes we'll say no. I've had that happen to me as an agent Trainers they know I was very happy to have. You and I told him that we'd been planning on this and grab usually what they say rather the gravity didn't move and say okay. I'll say we're in and that kind of what was talking about You were being your bond. And he's always preached that and. I think it's good. I think it's contributed to his own jeopardy in the game and it's You know his reputation in the game. things get complicated. You know when you're trying to be on the best source Things also get cocktail. Where one situation you ride a great deal for one trainer and not so much free other trainer but the trainer you not so much trainer has a much better horse in the snake free? So what do you do I found it interesting. I think that he hadn't been an agent for Kentucky Derby Winner which just in a way goes to show you how everything has to kind of come together No matter how long you've been in the game no matter how much you've done no matter how good you are doing what you do. The gods happened smiled one racing. God has a smile on you and it has to be your day and you know it's it's similar not jack to hold warn Many guys on the tour professional golfing tour have. I've never had a hole in one. Sure there's some people had five or six. Yep It's like it's you know it doesn't mean they're not you know the term golfers it just kinda China has to be. It has all worked out for you and It's Kinda strange all top riders all situations. He's Never WanNa Kentucky Derby but there are a lot of people like that in that situation so he shouldn't feel but I thought that was interesting. It's great you know he's he's fabulous. He's always been fabulous and I'm so glad he's he's doing well will always great to see them go. He's got a smile. You are bits. That was that was fun It's just an oral history the these oral histories as I thought about the book that they're invaluable and they've it's important it's important morten. These stories get recorded. I didn't like his choice of words fortitude when he said. I didn't have to stick her house today. I he thought he explained it correctly but I think it was. I didn't like bullshit. Maybe that's love it. I love right now Johnny. Let's let's talk about the weekend and get to your impressions. The already alluded to the way things is finished. which is it diminishes? You know the the the complete you can't completely enjoy the experience in the weekend with with Mongolian grooms fate involved but we we bet we put working. We tally things up at the end we decide championships. Everybody you know everybody takes it all in as a whole Your thoughts on on the weekend. Yeah I think. Just some overriding Thoughts You know I was kind of discussed a little bit. I think that the champions they over in England has worked are over across. The pond has really put a little Damien. The Breeders Cup I don't think we're seeing that you know we used. I think we used to get those. Those are competitors. I mean we did last year. We got you know. We've got a neighbor but we get more of them and it was. I just think we were seeing the best then. L think quite seeing the best that they have to offer now which makes sense. Because if you've got you know Eurasian your country where where are you. You got a point your best that you're not gonNA point them to some reese you know in southern California. We're GONNA point them to the one in your backyard so I think that looking overall talking big picture now we have some great European horses today said that they you know you just finished earlier. Talking about those for Brian and his victory in. Yes yes it's all still great but it's not I don't feel like it's quite where it was and it makes sense. It's just that would happen I think that The the the Hullabaloo about shipping Santa Anita surface Yeah you know I'm GonNa say this was an this year was a unique situation. Santa Zanan either had to make Many changes In reaction to things that happened early in the year And they they. Did I think everything that could be done to make sure that that surface was going to be good and safe and fair and and Mostly safe and okay. It was very different than it's been before but you know what East Coast Horses sources used to complain that the counselor retracts too hard and fast so now they're too loose and I. It's a different surfacing. You're used to your traveling. It's always different I yes. The track was very deep especially Friday. They finish the marathon. Those those words I give are really looking for ways to lay down their. We're tired if you're not set you you made a point of of the emphasizing that The people who came out early in that they have an edge and and yes. That was all very true but contract kind of changed even from Friday to Saturday race track or are are organisms. They living breathing organism. Sure the one on one day is not the same as the next day sometimes. They're not the same from earlier in the day of Christ. So anytime my my my bottom line pointers anytime you go somewhere. And then it's going to be different from day to day so you think that you're going to go to Santa Anita from the East Coast and show more since they're going to handle it. Some horses aren't that's why we have odd. You know that's why you know when your favorite if you're sixty five and horses shipping from back east and he's never been on the surface there's question now. How much of question is important? How much of it is I mean? Actually in brought all his horses pushes out to prepare reader. Stop just picking him out of thin air he just popped in my as more of a guy who was very proactive Poli was his winner. I think right yeah okay And you know she. I was read well. But it didn't seem like he had an overriding advantage for bringing source out or resources out early. I didn't see that. Much of an overriding advantage will local forces particularly. I mean look who won the classic. He didn't come out early. Well he came out but he what he'd run but he'd come out in in May running the goal common. Yes yes so he likes to track. That's that's exactly the point. I'm getting you know if you like the track. Yes you wrote well you you know what I mean so if you don't like to track you're not gonNA roll well. I don't care if you come out earlier. Not is if you don't like the track they're not gonNA run well So that was a that was a over. I'm talking about override exceeds the term I think a bit of a different story oriented turf did You know did affect some some routers Most notably I think this journalists I would say is one of the favor to maybe didn't run her race over the turf. Although even her last race back home was not quite as good as what she's done for most of the year. So you know little heads there but I do think that you know that it's a different. It's a different style of Trat customers than what they're you still but again there's always someone who different is going to be. We had a European winter. Freights Your you're GonNa say you're good it was right IRIDESCENT DESA You know got in a good position. Rosa rail angled out fired That's the league this you know. This is her home course. iridescent be of art at loved that course and there. There's a there's a case of of of you know a real horse for course so big race by ear desert but yeah anytime you you travel. It's good it's going to be different and if you like it going around well if you don't you're not gonNA want. Well how do we we know handicappers well with You know Ross Long. We had a pretty good clue with the rest of them. We didn't know kind of had to you know had to guess. But that's but that's why you get off because there are unanswered questions There are there are Gallup's their reasons but nobody really has a work over the track. You know not everybody has worked with attractive. He's got to kind of guess. But you know what all that stuff is true in our every day when we go from one circuit to who go from one track to another so morsels like Belmont from Morse's like act without some more slick Sandinista now. We go to Delaware. Well you better look back at their Elmar record because the different surface You know I thought that was kind of emphasize Horses just like its surface. It really counts a lot and tax burden your handicapping in a big way. What else I'll talk about some things that you got right and you know some opportunities that you capitalized on some that you missed the some you think people can learn some lessons from going forward? Well my readers wagering Experience could have been quite different flint. Had I on the picture carry over on Saturday. Had I made Blue Prize A. B. Instead of a see I would've I would've hit the pitch six for fifty five thousand dollars instead of getting four four consoles. Were six hundred. I will note overall though that That you know dollar pick six is an interesting Adam. A dollar old school pick. Sex is a very interesting animal I because I the re the the Jackpot pick six concept I Much I much prefer the old school now. I've had it for a while. I I think both of them. I've done okay. I can't complain about either version. I liked about the old school. Picks is I liked that you get paid for five because these things are tough said if you can get some money back maybe get back your investment. Maybe you get back half your investment. Whatever happens you get something back for having five and maybe four or five five depending on the kind of ticket you put in? That really goes a long way towards enabling you to come back the next day employees again and kind of keeping you in the game And I think make the dollar version is interesting because it's it can't be overpowered like the twenty cent one can For example Apple Sunday there was a force out of the of the Santa Anita. Pick six. And you know of of the Jackpot picks and I hit that but it paid a hundred and I mean it really wasn't. It's that hard if it was a good payoff for the combination but it takes away the chance of MHM hitting a bigger a bigger score. I like the dollar number better Less than two more manageable than the two and not as can't be overwhelmed as easily twenty so I thought that was kind of interesting. Anyway that sets for people with a higher pay grades you would deal with as a player I found the woman was interesting was manageable where managed to The better than the twenty recent and I liked the five but anyway And specifically group Blue Prize I just I look. I had very great deal respect for her. It's not that I respect her. I didn't like the eleven hold I thought that was a detriment. I thought she's Bettering Kentucky. I thought that night was something. Good to eat I probably fit into paradise. Woods a little bit more than I should have thinking that she was maybe GonNa have. A flashback worry. Glory Days At. That's the move. I was very disappointed in myself buying that But I would say that what happened is I was too. I got drunk on the night. Be Sue and And and pay too much attention to the parasite Paradise Woods In the in the classic starting with the tough call the big one and go back there. Also I like going along I i. I wasn't a big Mackenzie Fan. I didn't like the tail switching switching in the last race wasn't crazy about the jock. SWIT- seem kind of desperate even though it was Ariel. Smith's did you could switch those around. You're not you're not getting a better rider either case Did Not did. He's not didn't really like anyone in here Then walgreens Russell but like Tim. Kind of best He had a lot of things things in favor. backing up the turf brick and mortar. You know he put for me. Put a rubber stamp. Am One horse of the year. Just say she'll season. I love the story of him. Being you know being injured being gone not you know and and and having take the owners and trainer taking their time getting him back to being the best he could be. which is it's very very good Just just a great story in a great season for him and another tribute to Chad Brown l. and the work that he does in the ownership to United Hey I paused that. This EPA the source for a long time. I thought to myself you know. He's one of these improving four year olds. He's getting better. I guess he was a bit to slow on on the when the third draft sheets and the things I looked at but he was improving. I thought about Mandela. Why is he running this portion Russian? Here why are we in Pratt. Look if you don't if you don't know vis jock by now shame on you. He I WANNA say the rising star but he's already here He's a fabulous writer Just fabulous He only wanted one breeders cup race but he hit the board a bunch of others. He's a just a tremendous young writer. He's a nice kid He's of course France You've got you gotta pay since you know. He's riding anytime he's on a card especially in the turf course but he can do anything. He's just really fine young writer and some this praises four grand EPI Van Dyke. I take these example of one of the. We're not getting any of the ones from over the maybe they have enough to go around But he certainly a fine horse a three year old developing but not one of their better ones so I I got a little bit on Old Persian. I bought into individuals. I thought I thought he'd run better. He's disappointed me. but The temperate attempt was the fifth dance. We talked about that already. Breeders Cup Mile Hulu got stormy the army The two phillies well got story. Came in off of some powerful races very worthy only Another chat realm You know the two mayors one one two great point about without parole taking money This was money that if you if you hold thing about early money for me. Is it by understand where the money's coming from if I if I can get it a M- okay with it but if I see early money on orse that I think the line is okay. The morning lines okay. I'm talking to day to day now if I see money on wars. I don't really understand where that money's coming from from if it's not off of a good race if it's not also something promising past performances. I pay attention to it and without paroles case. I think that's what what what you saw. Because the European form early was good. It was great. The recent form was doc. Good Wendy Chad Brown and reached in a while Okay it was Chad Brown but still it's money was coming in in the face of some solid solid favorites in the race and it all came down to the workouts and without parole was doing very well Ran Third for the money. Money was smart money in this case And I like to pay attention to those things and that's day in day out that I brought that up earlier to Pete. I mean everybody. Everybody took money for the most part like that ended up running coming from somewhere and in these these gigantic pools on this day that there is money to move to move on now. If you don't believe that without all twenty one going in then you think you without the rule should have been ten to one so it doesn't look like all the money so you have that faith in the morning line maker and in that morning line and we're talking to John White on talking faith I talking ultimate ultimate faith. Satellite knows what he's doing when he makes a line he takes it incredibly seriously and you know he's he's a veteran he's he's a pro so if he says twenty and it shows up nine early or you know something's going on now win but he really very well keep your hands now. No doubt and Chad You know we'll continue to continue to fine-tune him johnny. WE'RE GONNA run out of time a quick express bet Wagering Guide review which we always do. Yeah I you know I think the status and trends and all that stuff was fabulous And it went thank cases it was exceptional Some cases it sent me in the wrong direction him. But you know that's not the be all end all you've gotTa handicapped races. I always say that but I love to use the staten trends so they worthwhile A couple of guys show profits Jerry shot and Kirk Ninety three Joe properly but he had ninety three eighty Yeah the Breeders Cup juvenile winner ranked second on Jerry Siegel came back with one hundred ninety five sixty in his in his plays which made a ninety five dollar profit Brent musburger hundred and eighty dollars return on a straight win bet I WANNA say maybe. It was Purchasing mortar maybe. A straight win battle more when when in place better bricks and mortar CPAC. We've got back seventy one forty for his place You know it was a case where you had to wear and you taking taking kind of a view of a price source you know hitting running big and that just been pan out but you had the winner on top. That's always great. We had four four winters on top And we ate winners on Out of the top three so including soon store the court at Ninety three eight so if you look at it overall yeah okay good not great not pay taxes. He wasn't a killer which is sometimes However at the discount price of three it was a Helluva overboard Siegel Siegel had? Although he put circus maximus on top. He he had the try box In the in the mile Jerry that was great Shattenkirk having stormed the court so prominent As is that that was tremendous If you and if you needed any reminder that this is a gambling game just go back and watch the juvenile and watch you know. They'll that woman dreams. Just go up in smoke right out of the bout tough beautiful people. Mary much Johnny. We had a lot of fun and thanks for thanks for everything thank you. I enjoyed it and and Now we go day to day with the gliding still great as I told everybody does I do every year. He didn't win Friday or Saturday. The money you win this afternoon. It's going to be just as it's going to be just as useful to you as as the money. You didn't win on Friday or Saturday. That's the beauty of this game. You know some some twenty five non winners at two today might might be a flood of profit for you. Hope that's the case Indiana closing day at Indiana and I wanNA

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Viajando 76: El tiempo en Rumana

Podcast RadioViajera

27:32 min | 7 months ago

Viajando 76: El tiempo en Rumana

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The Twilight Zone Podcast

44:10 min | 10 months ago

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"You unlock this door with the key of imagination beyond it is another dimension a dimension of sound dimension of sight dimension of mind you're moving into a land of both shadow and substance of things and ideas you've just crossed over into the twilight zone on any given day the average human being mixed thirty five thousand conscious decisions and there is a theory that when each of those decisions made a parallel universe is created based upon the opposite direction to the one you chose. Let's say it's a bright sunny day and you have to decide whether to take the bus or take advantage of the sun in walk instead so he decided to walk and you've arrived at work without incident but in a newly created parallel universe. You decided to take the bus and on that particular day. Just so happened to cynics. The man or woman of your dreams so the flow of your life is forever altered based upon that decision. And the fest. Anything is that. Not every decision would result in such a life changing elko. The effects of some decisions would actually be quite small but just enough to make your life in that parallel universe just ever so slightly different years ago. What if i decided to one if someone else had already decided to do it before me now out. Different from the show called the twilight zone podcast be. Life would any time in a different place. Allies are tapestries. Made up the decisions that we need but if this theory is correct we are creating thirty five thousand parallel universes every day because of those decisions some so similar to ours that the difference is almost others so different than they seem like a completely new reality where someone else's walking in her shoes. These are big things to ponder but when we make the decision to enter the fifth dimension. Tonight they're not questions of this episode seems to be asking. I seem to be in for altogether different tail. We meet the wife and daughter of astronaut robert gains understandably concerned about his impending journey into space. Was colonel khandaker. Honey he says daddy is just fine. He'd be going up soon just about an hour. That's what colonel congressman. You want to go back to sleep. I don't blame you. i can't sleep either. I'll tell you what i'll make. Coughing for me. Cooper you you wash your face and hands palmy here. We'll turn on the television set. Okay okay. I'm not to them. This is not a case of whether robert gains will be back but rather which version of robert gains will be back. Well robert gains in parallel vernacular space t minus one hour sixty minutes before human. Being named major robert gains is lifted off from the mother earth rocketed into the sky farther and longer than any man ahead of him. Call this one one of the first faltering steps early december. The umbilical cord of gravity and stretch out a fingertip toward an unknown shortly will join us astronaut named gains in on an adventure because the environs over the stars the sky the infinite space are vast question mark known as the twilight zone fast broadcast on march fourteenth. One thousand nine hundred sixty three written by rod sailing and directed by alan crossland junior so again one of our more straightforward and slightly exposition. All sailing opening the rations. But one that. I think is giving me a vibe of of this episode and when the sky was open one that suggesting that this is another episode about people stepping into the unknown and starting to product the rules of the universe that we really shouldn't be prodding at so now we are once again pretty far down the road in the run of the twilight zone. Some of our longtime direct is leaving and some new blood is coming on board tonight director. Alan crossley in junior makes his twilight zone debut and he's going to stick around for four episodes in total and this is his only season four episode or he'll return in season five with the episodes the old man in the cave. The seventh is made up of phantoms and ring a ding now. There isn't a huge amounts of information about him out. There i think on the face of seventy three directing credits doesn't seem like a lot when you stack it up against some other directors but when you consider that those credits are the count of individual series names but within those are multiple episodes of each of those series for example. He directed twenty two episodes of pop masterson. Nineteen episodes of peter gone sixteen episodes of alfred hitchcock presents. An even a couple of episodes of the outer limit. You see that. Actually he really did. Direct a lot of episodes of television and his career spanned decades and through the seventies and eighties. He directed episodes of favorites lake. The six million dollar man. The bionic woman wonder woman and the fall guy so this really was a hardworking director. Report that time in the trenches making these bread and butter popular shows that everyone was enjoying at the time so we might not have been a marquee name but he was a man who made a lot of people happy with the television and he did direct now when we first meet major rubber gains. He's rather awkwardly being helped into a horizontal molding chair. That appears to be helping him. Acclimatize so that position for when he's in the ship but the episode has this quite somber tone to it and the music is like a ticking clock. Signalling exactly where we are in the story of these people. It's not unique to a trip into space. It's that time before anything in life that might make nervous or anxious. We're pretty much all of the preparations made but all that's left to do is wait. Make small talk. Have those last minute conversations and i think the episode does a good job of making those experienced this nervous period with the gangs and everyone else kind of an odd feeling. Be moving around the earth for week. Progress gus grissom. Went three hundred and two miles. Glenn made three orbits shirai six. And you bobby boy are gonna go round and round when you come back down. Maybe we'll be that much closer to filing a claim on some more sky. Let's ponder for a moment where the seeds of this episode came from because of what time has now passed. It's easy to look at this as yet another episode of the twilight zone but features an astronaut or astronauts. But actually when we compare it to something like death ship or allergy. The parallel is presenting goes with a much more realistic view. Space travel and that seems to be because it comes off the back of some very real weld events of the time. So let's just remember what kennel konica just he said. Gus grissom went three engine. Two miles glenn made three orbits sheera handle six. And you bobby boy are going to go. Round and round. This was an age where science fiction was becoming science fact and sailing was sequel and fiction these real life achievements by american astronauts. Gus grissom was the pilots with the second us manned spaceflight on the liberty bell seven and on july twenty first nineteen sixty one in the break between seasons two and three of the twilight zone the liberty bell seven took a sub orbital flight that lasted fifteen minutes and thirty seven seconds then on february twentieth. Nineteen sixty two right between the first airings of a piano in the house and the last rites of jeff male bank. John glenn became the first american to orbit the heirs when he circled the globe. Three times in four hours and fifty six minutes and then while he shera on october third nineteen sixty two between seasons three and four of the twilight zone orbited the six times in the nine hour mercury atlas eight mission so space travel at this time was about. How long can we stay up there. How far can we go. Visiting the moon was still a few years away but this was all happening there and then on sailing was writing this right on the back of in his story. Ganesha's aiming to stay up there for a week and just keep going round and round. So let's see how successful this mission is this. Daniel voice transmissions starting to fade very badly. Capcom this is feebis. Ten contact radio radar here. I've lost radar. We don't have contact here either. No contact at all time tackling feebis. Ten capcom gap gone so while the control room struggle to make contact with major gains. Let's meet the man who played made. Europa games as played by steve forest and he was born in one thousand nine hundred twenty five in huntsville texas now. His birth name was william forest hundreds so it seems that when he became an actor changed his first name and dropped his last name andrews but one of his siblings who was also an actor. Didn't jaap de last name. And that was his brother. Dana andrews who we saw in the last episode. No time like the past. The two of them have appeared together in the film. Seal kogyo in nineteen fifty one. And i think if you close your eyes and listen to steve forrest voice. That's when most like dana andrews to me. They sound very similar. So a young. Steve forrest initially embarked on a military career in the army and rose to the rank of sergeant but when he left the military everything he did was connected with acting or in the arts in some way at one point. He was working as an apprentice carpenter and sat builder in a san diego theater. And one of the residents actors their source on potential in him. So steve was given a small part in a play as a bellboy. And that actor's name was gregory peck and he later became a contract play with mgm and with his six foot three frame and handsome features. He enjoyed a long career mainly on the small screen until two thousand and three and then he passed away at the age of eighty seven in two thousand thirteen. So how is he in this while. I'm going to hold off on my thoughts about him for now until we get to ascend point in the episode. So let's stick a pin enough for now because the next time we see major gains. He's laying in a hospital bed with no memory of what happened or how he got back down to where all along. I thought there was some kind of malfunction up their fuel or propulsion just communication. Maybe the malfunction was closer to home. Mean it was right up here between my ears. Maybe astronaut robert gains. Went off the tracks making. Cut the mustard. Look you talk like that. You think like that you'll come around to believing it and that's stupid bob. We're dealing with nine natural laws plus a whole string of imponderables and reasons going to come out legitimate rational reasons. You just lie there and breath. Rear knows i'll call helen again and tell arresting and you'll be home soon. we'll i. Will it be home unless you persuade all the people around here that you need an attendant dreamgirls so sailing is sowing seeds of possibility here for what is too. Calm keeping us off balance with these possibilities so when gains acting strange later on. Perhaps we'll wonder if he's just had some sort of breakdown. It's one of the possibilities. That's on offense but what we end up. Seeing next is that when major gains returns home he keeps noticing that things aren't quite how he remembers them things like he doesn't recall the being offense in front of his house and his rank is now different from what he remembers. I want to say something to you now i. I don't know what happened. I have no idea. I know you don't wanna talk about. That's why we haven't said anything. Something must have happened. Some delusions some distortions like that fence outside the house. I don't remember it and yet you said it had been that when we bought the house and that business with bill conquer. He told me he called you before the flight. He made it a point to tell me and then afterward after he said had been no such phone conversation. It's important significant. Really old seems to be part of some sort of crazy pattern now. I do wonder if sailing is riffing on some sifi audience expectations here and i'll come back to that in a moment as well face meet the woman who is having a difficult time reconciling demand who left with the man who came back. Helen gains is played by jacqueline scott. And she would have been inherently thirties by this point and if we delve into a history. It's clear that she had performing your blood from an early age. She won a tap dancing competition at the age of three and began acting professionally in a small see to company at the age of seventeen and then she moved to new york where she continued to study acton so she was very much. An actor's actor working on broadway and onscreen and one of their face movie roles was in the william castle gimmicky shoukat macab whose post a boasted. That audience members will ensured for thousand dollars in case they died from fright and it was on that set where she met her husband. Jean lesser married to for sixty two years. Which is no mean feat in with hundred to acting credits to her name. She really was one of our hardworking actors the day and while this is her only twilight zone. She appeared in several of the most beloved shows of the fifties sixties and seventies which included the outer limits planet of the apes and fugitive where she played richard. Kimble sister amal. She did slow down some in the eighties and took the nineties off for the most part she retired from the screen after two one of roles in two thousand and four and two thousand nine and. Unfortunately we've only just lost jacqueline scott this year on july twenty six twenty twenty at the age of eighty nine. I like it very much in this. I think she plays her part in. Quite an understated way at times has scenes at the beginning especially where she's on the phone to kennel konica pretending that everything is. Okay are nicely don a now when she's gently trying to break it to husband that he just doesn't seem right. I think she shows a lot of acting. Talent here among grams junior quota in unlocking the door to television classic and she said i was thrilled to be doing the show because it was one of the most popular shows on the air at the time and rightfully so with its wonderful scrimps. This was a particularly special episode. Since as you know rudd sailing rotor. I was happy to be waking again with steve forest since we had done the pilots of the wide country together. An added bonus to the whole experience was a rod sailing call math towards and said that he had never written a script for a woman but was going to write. One for me in never materialized but the idea of it was a lovely compliment so in this first half what. I really like that. Several possibilities for what's going on here has gained cracked when he went up to space. Is something else going off. Let's go downstairs and have a cup of coffee. Don't let them white fence and promotion and the world for you. That goes on. Try not to what if what if other things so. Sometimes steve forest is playing yet almost like major gains as comeback wrong. I think this is the misdirection. Sailing was using before maybe riffing on those stories out of kombi fours unlike equate amass experiments where an astronaut goes away. He combs back in gradually transforms. I think that's one of the things that read. Sailing is portland on the table but not explicitly. So it's all about the origins china's second. Guess what's going to happen so in this scene. Where kisses his wife helen. We see that when they kiss helen box away. They can reason away. All of the other. Stranger things have happened. Since roberts has come back but when they kiss she feels that something is different. It's as if she's kissing another man on the producer. Bay granite said. Censorship was so strict that time. We tried something that was a shade too. So but basically i didn't want him to find out who is on the wrong planet until he went to bed with the woman he saw was his wife. The sexual habits were different. There's a suggestion of what it's insufficient unless you're looking for. I don't think you'll find so. Let's take a little detour because that is a quote from the producer bed granite but as we know when the great book out and left at twilight zone after seasons three the producer that took over was habitation management. Now he produced season four printer's devil but that had an associate producer murray goldman on it to then the next episode no time like the past doesn't credit detachment as producer just maury goldman as associate producer and then for this episode. We have big granite producer now. Granite is significant to the twilight zone because he produced a time element which was up back door twilight zone pilot which appeared on the westinghouse desolate playhouse. But why all of a sudden does he appear as producer of the show. I'm why does habitation still have future twilight zone producing credits after this one. So mark zicree in the twilight zone companion documents. What exactly happened. He says on january first nineteen sixty three habitations contract with cbs expired. At the same time henchman received an offer from hair but broad ken with whom he'd worked on playhouse ninety broadcast company was about to begin production in london on espionage series to be aired on both mbc. In america a non british television broadcast once attachment as producer of the show on harassment accepted and henchman said the opportunity of going to europe. I'd never lived or worked there before superseded my interest in doing another three or four twilight zones so then the production job went to bare granite. And i think the reason why have attachments still has producing credits in the future. Is that as we know by now. The twilight zone wasn't necessarily made in georgia that it was ed so i think what was to calm is probably already in the candidates point but unfortunately this was an episode of the twilight zone where plagiarism. Rea- it's hands again among grams junior documents this in unlocking the door to a television classic and he writes on july eleven. One thousand nine hundred. Sixty three ralph nelson wrote to rod sailing. And santa couple of days ago jerry saltzman called me regarding a possible plagiarism claim on the parallel so the rerun of the parallel was canceled because of this and the story that he was talking about was a story that was ironically called the carbon copy amount grams. Junior goes onto right after digging into his file. Sailing found a copy of an undated release signed by masino who wrote the carbon copy to release accompanied as an ops o of the story copies of all correspondence between employees of productions and stephen masino and his agent regarding the submission of the story would also taken out to the files and they ended up. Settling this out accord for the song of six and a half thousand dollars. I'd like colonel william concord. Police i just going to call bill. Concord has compete like to like what come over for dinner so this is the point in the episode where. I really liked that. This potentially several possibilities he now. I mentioned before that. I think sailing is riffing on things like the cueto mass experiment and is just implying that perhaps rubber gains has come back wrong and he's undergoing some sort of transformation not physically but perhaps inside or there is a completely different being or something along those lines. All of these possibilities are on the table. It's as if he's a ticking time bomb waiting for an alien presence to image. What has he just had a breakdown. Kobe any one of these things now. Of course the season four episode question has tacoma. Is this an episode. That's too long. I actually think sailing users the time really well he and he's pointing out these possibilities onto the audiences noses and on a cerebral level. There's quite a lot to think over at this point. And then we get our half plots west really very strange collection of delusions. White picket fence story his own rank and the last thing he said was he doubted very much. If president kennedy would pin any medals on president who kennedy someone named john kennedy. Who's john kennedy. Someone who colonel gains is decided as president of the united states. And i share your bewilderment. I never heard of him either. So i really liked the use of this halfway twist by rod. Sailing is the point where an absurd like fed from the sun would end the point where you realize that recent. You've just watched you're watching from the wrong perspective. We've been viewing if an point of view that everything else was the same boy. He was different when in fact he is the constant in this when we have to twist revealed the still good twenty minutes of episode left to go could they have told this story and the length of a non season four twilight zone. Perhaps but i think this is a fascinating way of telling the twilight zone story. What happens after the twist just told me is fantastic. How can you possibly credit by incredible. Help build spacecraft very and this is not the same we send off. It's almost a twin to it down to the very last nut and bolt but it's simply not the same spacecraft so different vehicle. It's almost as if it came out of the same old every now. And then the wiring and the control panel and the structure as a tiny insignificant alteration them all up and you come up with one very radical colonel gains went up in one spacecraft. But he's obviously come back in another leaves us to alternatives. Colonel gains actually black dot has no knowledge of what occurred are to colonel. Gains is not who we think. So how feasible is all of this that pace and could jump into a parallel weld aware that is similar to our own but decisions have been made that as small as whether someone decides. They have sugar in their coffee. What does lodge is jfk. Not being the president of the states. The television show sliders was built on this very premise. And they used it to great effect but is there any real well credibility to well. I did look it up and it gets very complicated. Depends on where you look at. But the website exemplar dot com does a good job breaking it down for people like me and they give three examples of where this is supposed to have happened in the real world in the fast example. It says sometime during the summer of nineteen fifty four a well-dressed individual arrived in tokyo on a flight. From your this would seem normal but when you went through customs. He was stopped by customs official because his passport showed that he came from a country called herat what was even more interesting was at. The passports had been stamped indicating that he had made previous trips to japan. The problem is the country that it came from doesn't exist advanced. Stranger became upset and the official worried that he'd made the mistake retrieved a map. The traveler was perplexed when he noticed his country was not. They're located between spain and france instead the only nation that was there in place of his country wasn't aura further interrogated. They found that. Even his driver's license was issued in sarande waiting further investigation. He was then put in a hotel for the night but by morning he was not there. He'd vanished along with his belongings and the documentation. Even though two officers were placed outside the door and the room was on the fifteenth floor. The second example says when lorena got out of bed one day in the summer of two thousand eight in her apartment in madrid. Little chino life was about to change in a bizarre way and began the very moment that she woke up her bedsheets. Were not the same ones that she remembered when she went to bed. The night before initially. She ignored it even though she was disturbed by the change. But this is only the beginning. More dramatic changes were yet to come. The drive to work was uneventful. The when she arrived she found out that she worked at a different department in a different location in the same building. Her manager who she did not know and never met somehow knew her when she realized she was no at the department that she worked for the past twenty years. She had to look at the company directory to find out where she was supposed to be. This event was so unsettling that she went back home claiming illness. If this was a weird enough marina was about to be hit by another change. That would be more personal. She had broken off a relationship about a year and a half earlier but her boyfriend had no idea that this had happened. And it doesn't in there for the past few months. She had begun dating again with a man that was a local in her neighborhood but when she tried to find him he didn't exist when she filed a report concerning his disappearance elise folder. There was no record of them. And finally they tell the story of frederick dotson who says he's an expert on this very subject and who authored the book parallel universes ourself and. He says that one day when he went to a salon for a haircut noticed a building next door since he had gone to the salon regularly every four weeks or so. He was surprised to see it there. Previously it was an empty lot with a lawn and a park bench now after four weeks a building was now standing in that spot when he asked the employees that worked in the salon. They said that it was built about five years before something something happened. I know you're not gonna believe this. I'm not absolutely certain that. I believe it myself. There's another dimension. I don't know how it exists where it exists but there's another world parallel to our same people same places most of the same chronology of events except now and then there's something a little bit different all this because i was there general. I was there for almost a week. That's impossible we only lost you for about six hours. We had contact with you all the rest of the time. I can't help that sir. During that six hours. I lived out a week. Doing what looking at our counterparts looking at us us us as we exist in a parallel world. One that exists alongside but which we can't see the world i stumbled into. I don't know how some kind of space time continuum some warpage there's a doorway up there somewhere into it. It exists so in the end gain seems to slip back into his own reality or at least one. That is so close that he can't tell the difference yet and as we close out it seems his other dimensional counterpart will be paying visit to his world. Twilight zone companion mark. Zicree says although an interesting concept the parallel sofas from flat acting particularly in the lead as a result what might have been as engrossing as and when the sky was opened. never generates more janicki janicki. I couldn't disagree with that assessment. More this episode does walk some of the same ground as when the sky was opened where it says that sometimes when we step out of where nature has intended us to be. We are stepping into things. We don't understand where rules exist that we can comprehend but it takes in a different direction. And what zicree calls flat. I call realistic or at least television. Realistic this is the whole point. Sailing is building a story on what's recently been in the news and adding an extra layer to it. It's not about creating a well. That is so different to our own. The gains notices it straight away. It's about the small things. This is an exercise in salty. It's about the small decisions that we make creating small waves in these other realities and the big decisions that we make making big waves. And i disagree that the performances are flat as well. Jacqueline scott pitches had performance path. Equi sometimes the worried wife waiting for husbands aecom home or the time scared of the man who did come home and steve forrest isn't flat either. In an episode that is building upon the reality of what's going on in space travel at the time he is more aligned with a genuine astronaut than the kind of astronauts. You here in radio programs dimension x sometimes where the space travelers a more like the hominids. Working guys you'd have fixing your car than actual astronauts if you look up any of the real life astronauts that this episode mentions look at what they went on to do. Often they went into politics. You'll see that they are aligned with this portrayal the respectable clean court upstanding american hero type so for me. This is everything that i want from a season. Four many twilight zone movie. It meets expectations but subverts them to a my love. When sailing is writing a story that has some into say morally about the world. We live in. I absolutely love when he just tries to tell a strange tale to he uses his running. Time well here. I'm while sure you could trim some scenes out here and there. That's true of most. There's no filler. Just to graduate building of intrigue on a lingering source viewer about all or oh trump's face every decisions that we have to make this episode is reminding my boys try try and make the best decision so there's other version of you who is living life is displeasure of you. I'm not the one living who's living in parallel major robert gates a latter day. Voyager just returned from an adventure submitted to you without any recommendations as to belief disbelief you can accept or reject your biz your money and you takes your choice but credulous or incredulous. Don't bother to ask anyone for proof that it could happen. The obligations reverse challenge proved that this happens to be the twilight zone. My friends at has been a longer wait. And then i intended for the next episode of the twilight zone podcast. I think it's safe to say that. I will not meet my target. Have complete and season for in twenty twenty. But i guess for a lot of us. It's not the year we imagined it to be either. So i hope everyone is happy and well. I hope you all doing okay. More than okay. I hope you doing really well. And everything is fine here. Allowed a couple of emails from people asking if morrison and things. I'm absolutely fine absolutely fine. Just it's a busy life sometimes and up in renovating the studio here. We'll record the podcast amongst other things. So it's a it's a nice comfortable place to hopefully get more podcast and dawn. So that's what i've been doing. And i just want to thank some friends of the show for still supporting the twilight zone. Podcast even though it hasn't been on the m which so two new members over at the after hours club. I might be up on some of these. I might have mentioned them already. Just in case. I'll mention them again. I wanna thank eric saunders. Ama- kelly scott the pj joe brown. Aaron hickey mark. Pepper and sage hoffman for all joining the after hours club. Which is the patriots page for supporters of twilight zone. Podcast and you can get a paycheck dot com slash twilight. Turn podcast now. Occasionally people have said to me you know. I want to send someone to support the show. But i don't really want to. You know. have a monthly bill. Come out for something like patriot. And i completely get there and bought if you are one of those people and you wanna get some extra content patron have now done yearly membership so you can go over there and you can pledge for a year in one go. I'm get access to all the podcasts and things that i've done over there so far but also for the next upcoming years well so there's various options over there for you to check out if you are prepared to support the show in that way instead. Okay so that is enough for me. I i have to apologize. Seem to be some interference on the show earlier on. It was almost like someone else was talking on it. Airboats caesar gutsy where we've seen so got through. so let's go over to a friend of the show spencer. Who has some feedback on the parallel. Hi tom find the fourth season the twilight zone. Be quite negra for most of us we haven't seen all of the episodes and we think the hour long format draws out the story too long and it kind of loses that twilight zone charm that we've come know and love but i find that the parallel is one of the episodes that makes an exception. I've felt very captivated by the story and kind of expanded on that when the sky was opened. Kind of feel an episode It also played to feel like the audience really well in the sense that we've all at one point or another thought about is the world we're living in truly reality or is the one right next door things just look a little bit differently and will i believe that steve forrest performance wasn't maybe the best of seeing the twilight zone. I wouldn't certainly put in the bottom half either. It was just okay. And i think that's the part of the episode. Where fell a little flat for me. I do love a good story. Where parallel universes time travel or something. But i think i would feel the same way as robert. Gainst it in this episode. Where you come home. And you see your daughter not reacting to you or being scared of you little details about your own life or your own house that don't make sense or add up. I think it's a really interesting concept. And i'm really happy. I watched the said. So thank you. Tom and i'll talk to you later. Rod serling creator of the twilight zone. We'll tell you about next week story after this message. If you wanna get your thoughts on the show then semi clip to tom at the twilight zone podcast dot com of around five minutes or less with your on the next episode. So let's go over to rod sailing to find out what that is. A new author joins the ranks of the twilight zone crew. When john furious junior gives us several stunningly new twists to a classic character. In i dream of jeannie. Join howard morris patricia. Barry annoying smith as they take their trip into the twilight zone. Who who who expect them who. I'm genie lamp. That's who aladdin magic the whole bit. If if are the jeannie then. I must be the master of the lamp. Big deal master the lamp. All right you got yourself a free wish. I can't believe it. anything. I want the whole world. Anything

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"They even though fans can attend this year's masters. The tournament is using the flexibility of a hybrid cloud to scale their capabilities. Now everyone can be a patron learn more at ibm dot com slash masters but fried passion and patrick. Three of college football leaves here. Is the paul finebaum. Show our four. Podcast reached the final hour. We're glad that you decided to come along. Give back to the calls and matthew is in houston. Hey matthew paul how's it going. We're doing great question is about a text saying them. Assuming ain't wins out. Which in recent years is a big if right but assuming that happens. What's what's their path to play off. What is what needs to happen to. Ohio state How bad is clemson. Need to beat notre dame if they do Or whatever let me give you their best path that would be a combination of alabama and notre dame winning. That would be ideal for them. That doesn't happen if clinton wins. And then i think you need some help from ohio state in what i mean by that is ohio state simply not not being able to get enough games in but if if we go according to chalk let's say alabama wins clemson wins in a close game. Then i think it's going to be alabama one then probably clemson to you may very well see even notre dame three an ohio state four. I think i think texas. A&m first of all needs to be impressive. I think saturday is critical. It's a big game. It's a road game auburn. You can't slop around like last week against lsu. Yeah i agree. I think there's a little bit of a double standard notre dame beats louisville. I get it but you know what it's what you do. Now that will matter The the louisville game was a long time ago. And i'm not making excuses for notre dame but it was covert related as well. They were just coming off of a break right. It seems like every year the top fourteen art the final fourteen but seems like this year. There's a little bit of a brick wall to get through for them. Hey thank you. Very much But i i think. There's one other possibility i didn't mention it. Cincinnati cincinnati was hurt badly by not playing this weekend. They need opportunities. But it's the it's toward the end when when when the minds are going to be made. Sean is in college station. You're on the air will set you for taking my call. Say thank you good evening. I would like your opinion on something in your opinion. Do you think it'd be better for texas am as a program to make it to the playoffs and lose the semi final game or to not make an win their bowl game. I think right now sean. It's very much like it is in basketball if you don't get to the tournament you're a nobody and sadly in college football these days. The playoff is how you are identified it. Let's say am goes to the cotton bowl and beats i don't know who it's a great season But the one thing that that will be missing is the is the cfp when you get into the cip. It matters it matters a great deal especially in the sec and especially for coach like figure who's already been played for a bcs cfp. That's how you market show your program. I think that's what is so. Yeah personally and by the way mean. It's not like there's any downside to losing it. I don't think the expectations rain would be that high. But there's one of the things you don't get a choice you you either go to the cfp or you. Don't hey thanks for the call. Appreciate it very much Rio is in georgia. And you're on the air. Hey real high day doing well thank you. Oh about two things like we just my first time calling because i have been. I'll be recording. Show everything thing. I wanted to talk to you about. Miss finebaum was a roux. Why do you can return a kickoff return tumble which you can't return a punt fumble. I am going to tell you. I don't know the answer to that. But i will rely heavily on someone who does how about that. Okay yes cool. Because you know but the thing i wanted to say. Hey speaking mason. Everybody wanted mason eight. He will make a great defensive coordinator at the university of florida. Gus grissom is not getting done. Well i'll make sure. I'll make sure the kirk chamo- and gets up they memo. Okay thank you much mama. Thank you for taking my call. Love you man. Thank you and you know you take care of yourself. Real great to have you on appreciate it very much show. We're you got it does. Sean is up next in texas. I sean paul how you doing so are well okay. So just a quick comment on the last caller shots in college station. When he asked about the louisville notre dame game and the comment that that was a while ago i and he said it was covert related that they were coming off the break obviously do understand. That came up to a two week break from cove right. Well okay okay. That's shot that's a fair point. I was just simply thinking about notre dame being sloppy. Now with notre dame's done since then. But i will argue that. The only reason the lsu game matter this week it was. It was the last game but it won't matter anymore. And i think this. I think the auburn games and even better opportunity because auburn is is more highly regarded this year than lsu. And it's also on the road but your point is one hundred percent correct. Thank you dwayne in destin and you are next up. Hey dwayne paul we're doing well thank you thank you. i appreciate. How first time caller. And listen to your show on sec network. And i appreciate the work you do. I think you're a very intelligent man as far as it goes with Everything to do with football. But i i've got two questions for you i want is do you think how taking play with alabama. I'm not sure right now. anyone can play with alabama. Okay all right. My second question is what about notre dame and clemson. One of those has got to go some way somehow out of it. So what do you see if clemson beats notre dame or if notre dame beats cleanse. Well here's the easy thing to to understand. Dwayne if notre dame clemson gone. They're out of the playoffs If clemson beats notre dame then it's a matter of interpretation and the conventional wisdom today is that notre dame would still get in as long as they are competitive in that game and hard to imagine them not being but clemson beats them. Forty five to nothing I it could be a big factor so you know right now. There are very few schools remaining in the playoffs. I mean they're. I mean we know who they are. They're alabama there notre dame there clemson ohio state florida in texas am. I i really don't see how cincinnati can get in and that's really it so the combinations are not that complicated. Well let me ask you this. Do you think notre dame can play with alabama head to here. Maybe notre dame is a really complete team. I'm incredibly impressed with them. So far i mean their defense has been really stifling. And they've shown signs of life on offense as well but yeah i wanted to see what alabama does was florida first. Because you know that that that is a really tough test. They're facing a explosive team and their defense. Which has been resurrected and the second half of the season. We'll we'll we'll be tested more in that game than than any game since the all this game and in florida is a much better team at all miss. We are heading to a break. Still plenty of time for you to get in at eight five five two four two seven two eight five. We hope you'll stick around. Hello everybody you're looking live at fans ville a college football utopia with a rivers flow with ice cold dr pepper. Where every day is saturday. And everyone's fan even babies and the seasons never change because the only season is college football season. Get a taste of fans this fall during a college football game near you. Dr peppers the official drake of fans ville grab some today. You're listening to the paul finebaum. Show podcast even though fans can't attend this year's masters. The tournament is using the flexibility of a hybrid cloud to scale their capabilities. Now everyone can be a patron learn more and ibm dot com slash masters and Jake is up next as we continue here. Hey jake paul of things real quick. I ball southern manners. Hit a home run With this will hall are within the coaching circles. He he's been only these right young. My but but i'm a little by. I've worked with employees. But i'm just telling coach. I saying they've they've hit a home run with him. I i think you'll be able to get things turned around. He came from. I've heard i've heard great things about him and you know him better than better than i do but he has a tremendous reputation. Sure he's he's young. And i think he'll do a good job fall. Were eight years in to rebuild job. And i don't get it over and how come how come paul every year. It seems like we're rebuild. Often fall and think about it only makes goes down. We do not have a backup quarterback. I i try giving us all all all rope. You know but he seems to take all he's taking more and more to hang himself. I don't know what's going on. Paul is just you. Talk to people the salmon i it just seems like it's a constant reveal. It's like you know there's never considered the drives us crazy. Because you know seventeen when i beat georgia and alabama back to back there number one. You know alabama georgia at all. These rounders auburn had nine when they beat them they beat him and coach but live that against the south carolina. What is that against arkansas. The inconsistency is just baffling. And i own to towel. And i do that. But it's just let me ask you this j you understand your understanding football and coaching where we're where does he go from here. I think is the question you have to ask if you're trying to evaluate. I don't think it's cut and dried. I mean you're you hear a lot of things. I hear a lot of things i mean. There's certainly some people that don't want him there. But i think this is important game for him against am because it's an opportunity to wash away some of the the absolute bitter taste from last week. But if you see something along those lines i think i think he he's going to have a. There's gonna be some howling down there. Yeah absolutely it's a big game but it's it's it's every year worth it unless unless they make a run and they just have that dominant team they had that ron thirteen and ten and unless they just have that every ingredients gotta be perfect for him to see my for him to just to win ten gangs or other coaches i. You know. I won't give him the benefit of that but i've been given a given boever jacob. Let me like. I'm representing gus. Malzahn for a second here. And i hear it. I understand it but you know the program overall is it's it's it's close to elitist maybe not in the same categories others but this is this is a a consistently good program. It may not be great but you know his record against alabama is better than anyone else. That's but unfortunately that's where it ends up ball. Yeah georgia georgia. Lsu have been the lsu game. This year went his way but that has not been a good game for him in. Georgia has really been a problem. Well i don't know how you fix it I mean he's done some good things. He's not a bad job. No just end consists that it's just it's just it's baffling just to say how can hey do you. Do you think outside of malzahn. I think kevin steele is good. Defensive coordinator as you can have It's obvious the problems are on offense. I your view of the chad martyr. Now that we've seen him coach for the majority of the look you know. Gosh here we go. Go go go have a spring summer Hill and i'll go into you also things that have. Oh next this year as far as turpin back coaches and You know just stubbornness on his side are pro sports so probably maturity but yeah the champ. Boris hard coach. All that yet to be really. I think it to be saying there's glimpses of some stuff but it just seems like it's all he goes back to you know they have a hot game like it'd be last year against alabama georgia annihilated alabama. How little i mean there. It's they same. Twisted offense. J appreciate thanks for the call. Squirrel is up. he's good here. Jake scorer you're on the air sightings paul and i really appreciate you taking a call and i try to be quick with the first one but forty five years ago tonight would be nineteen seventy five. I was a junior in high school and it was the night before replay nashville maplewood for the state championship marks with that in mind. I want to wish my oakridge wildcats. Good luck tomorrow. Night when i play for st ship in up. They've got a champs traditions. They need to bring another one home. And i hope they do but And the second thing. I wanna talk to you about you. Know kind of been laying in the weeds. If i had a hand in running your number one caller off you know. I know i don't i don't know if you're upset with your girl. I can assure you that i am. I am not okay. Well i didn't say a out. I just said i had a part in as a major part of it. Let's put it that way click but When my oldest son back when he was nine or t didn't there was a a flag league here in madison. And i was a coach and they assigned you players and one year. We had a young lady that wanted to play football because she was assigned to my team. And the first thing. You do the first three or four practices you find out who your players your quarterback and the first game of the season and the rest of the year. This young lady was my quarterback and she went on to go to auburn university graduate. She now works. The office of the miami dolphins beautiful young lady really sleep aren't father and i still can freelance. So i'm all for women sports but you have said on numerous occasions that your caller certain our knowledgeable tolerant. He recall sure. Your listener knowledgeable flip up so when you say last hour that vanderbilt kickers i mean that's kind of an insult to people that you know have a basic understanding of college football because vanderbilt. I mean you know they are the kind of scrub the conference sir. Sec fleets and. i don't have any players. I happened to be watching the game. Ironically saturday i don't know how many athletes had on that side by but i would think three quarters of them had to kick a football twenty five or thirty yards so to say they ran out of kickers that kind of again if they wanted to have a feel good moment or may be the moment. That's fine but it insulted intelligence people who know basic slip out. So you run out of kickers. That's kind of hard to moscow. I am going to study that comment and as we say. I'm going to get back to you on that. We're up against a break. Thank you for the call man. I'll see if i can find the rest of my head. Said golden coming up in a minute on tom. 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Work smarter while you get to play which for me means more time to surf and hang with my sometimes. Adorable kids visit a. L. l. y. Dot com slash savings to learn more ally bank member. Fdic be back great to have all of you here for the final thirty minutes on thursday night and we've been talking quite a bit about a story that we were watching from afar. And that is what is going on with the university of texas. And tom herman who just yesterday. He was the hottest coaches in the country and Texas was back well not anymore. Nobody better to talk to about that to my friend. Cedric golden who covers university of texas. Well he covers a lot of things at the austin american statesman but that is one of them and the cedric Welcome back great to talk to you. And i hope you're well i'll the door good to hear from you. Yeah i i would imagine. These are These are tough times. Tough times overall. But i mean what in the world is happening at. Ut man that's that's a that's the million dollar question. I'm not gonna feel sorry for him. Because i work at a newspaper. I know what tough times are about. Paul but Let me tell you mad tom. Herman thirty and eighteen With two games remaining this fourth season and win win. Sam etlinger told millions and millions of people after they beat georgia in the sugar bowl. Two years ago that we're back a lot of people believed it and they believe that a vote is believed that they put them number number nine in the final poll after that season. And they're only the second team in twenty nine years to be number nine with four losses. So i thought that It was a great moment in new orleans but it turned out not to be true. The thirteen and knives and sam said that. And it's not because of a lack of talent or lack of recruiting classes three straight top ten recruiting classes and a senior quarterback and talent on both sides of the ball and Let's just keep it real paul. That's what you do on the show tom. Herman didn't get it done. And he has up to this point does does he have any support remaining. I mean outside of his immediate family and kids. Smith doesn't support your mom kris. Del has kept his cards too close to his vest and No he's he's playing the quiet game and who can blame them. They're not a whole lot of people coming out going. Hey we gotta keep this guy. Everybody has urban meyer gods now and it reminds me. When my brown's near the end we were at the football banquet and it was already apparent that it was the end for mac and he was fighting to keep his job and he was telling uncomfortable jokes at the bank with and we knew he was trying to fill dead air and the whole time. We were looking at our phones. Because the knicks saving cheddar was running rampant in austin and right as biden into my tenderloin it comes across the knicks saving at signed an extension and a lot of us thought that it was a stay of execution for mac but he's still survive it so i if he goes which certainly There's a lot of sentiment Everyone thinks hot name is going to be urban meyer. How realistic is that. That's a really good question we had. Tim may on our podcast. Our own second ball podcasts. On oakland dot com today. And i just don't know if the medically is ready to come back and of course we remember. Urban was asked about jerry. Jones at the cowboys called he goes. There's certain phone calls you take if the problem raised that jerry. You answer that call. Well i think if the phone rings. And it's chris country you answer that call so I'm sure that urban meyer's tree why how could he not be a first of all he probably be making more money to save end though fifty came aboard because texas would have to pay him and secondly how many how many coaches have led three Traditional football powerhouses to national championships in one career. It could be history making. But i just don't know how realistic it is If i'm they'll contact i'm not just looking at urban. I'm looking at a lot of other names on a list. If tom is indeed out of there so let's let's put a pause on on him because i think you're right You know even bruce feldman told us the other day said he works with Urban that he had some doubts whether he could come back. It's tempting as texas would be. There really isn't anyone. After urban meyer of the nick. Sabin urban meyer statues stature. So we're where would They go to find someone that would by the way suit. The texas people you know and so you're so right about that because we're talking that's a rug does rush rushmore name saving and dabble in urban. Those are rushmore type names. When i when. I compiler little list of guys that i think would be ideal The first named popped into my mind is james. Anklet of penn state. I know he's had his problems up in state college. But paul you cover this you see your whole life is they can win at vanderbilt eakin win anywhere. I mean that was that. Was the eye opener for me and so Things have gone south for him up. There might be the best chance for him to for them to get some good good. Get in on him. Maybe he's looking for change of scenery. I don't know but that's the name that pops into my mind. Luke fickle has done a great job at cincinnati. Not a huge name. But he's a young guy full of energy and His offenses have been among the best every season. A good recruiter. But he's a midwest guy so he doesn't really know these these southern streets The second guy that i like. I'm not i don't think that would be ideal. But these unnamed us. That's out there matt. Campbell of iowa state has done more with less and has one. He's beaten oklahoma more than once in his stay and ames he's beating texas He is leading the big twelve right now. He's recruited In the south and in the mid west he's a guy and he's young he's getting some. Nfl notice their nfl teams. That are undoubtedly looking at him and he might be the next man rule who carolina from baylor. So i if i was doing the hiring the two names are james. Franklin and matt campbell. Those are my through guy. Yeah i agree on that campbell. There's some who wondered whether You know the good old boy would fit in austin. But i i think at this point. said winning more important than You know what kind of what type of wine you drink. But my question about james. Franklin i mean he he. He's a big name. Outside of this year there have been some you quirky quirky moves by him. But he's been to the rose bowl he's he's he's pretty much done all. You need to do tae by the way. We'll mush so adele. He was once a coaching waiting. He's will must champs. Charlie strong's available. I'm available. I would come a lot cheaper than jeff Mom interested to know. We'll we'll must champ get another major gig after being bad at two schools will continue to get jobs because i know that most countries wants you screw it up once you might not hear from them again so i mean we're s- like room. I mean guys like that so we must get another gig. You're an sec. Got you told me. I can answer that question very easily. No major i mean yeah. He could get hired at a at a second tier but no one is going to Take another shot at him from most significantly high level and i'd have to in college football. I'd have to research. It said but you know losing to. Sec jobs That's that's hard to do. Yeah it is and you bro. Great memory coaching waiting. I mean i know. There's some people in south carolina. There's still waiting on him to coach. But it's too late for that. Be before you go. I wanna talk to you about The broad college football season. I was thrilled to be a guest on new kirks outstanding. Podcast Looking ahead to the season right as about to unfold. I mean we. We are sitting here on december third. I can't believe we made it this far however there are still some questions about how we're going to navigate these next five weeks including the playoffs. So what are your thoughts. I wonder if they need to take a week off. You know just take a breath. Everybody take off what we move it back a week. Lot of teams are a lot of folks are taking off this week. Not by choice. Yeah because it just seems like these kids are dropping like flies and mouse staffers. And and and you is goes all the way up to that if you guys showing up with our bass they just. They know they're not gonna die. And that's the problem that's a real problem. They know they're not gonna die. So why should we care. I'll be sick for two weeks. I'll be back playing football. So i think i'm i'm amazed that it's gotten this far and that it hadn't been more outbreaks so i guess kudos to those people that did their due diligence to keep people safe to to stay on the right regimen of speaking as the guy from austin texas. Yeah i don't know what happened that we were talking to shed and and sudden he disappeared. We hold here for a second. We'd like to get We'd like to see we can finish this conversation but You know said said. Golden was with us from the austin american statesman. And we'll give it a second here And if we can't get him back we'll take a break but We we can. We have the ability to we want. We'll just keep vamping. That's what talk show host to when things don't go well doesn't By the way pizza was with us earlier as well as nicole back and all eyes are on. The big ten just came out a minute ago. The michigan has reported that they had twelve positive. Covid tests I don't. I don't know the math on how that contact tracers but that could be a problem for them next week. Okay said glad you're back. We were we were we. Were just asking you about the next couple of weeks in college. Football yeah Like i said the big corporate took a week off and took a breath. But i give kudos to those teams that just had haven't had as many test texas i know hasn't had that many If everyone could have gotten on the same page and just followed the right protocols at the beginning of the season to probably would be even better shape but You count me as one is being pleasantly surprised that it got this far with teams playing this many games My final question concerns The evaluation of the playoffs. I know you talked to him. And ohio state fans are besides themselves right now but you know what what do you think should be the final arbiter of who gets in or not. I know man leaving it up to human beings is always tough. But it's better those better than those comp- bcs computers that we lived through Is such a judgment call. Especially if ohio state plays only what six five or six games in long as as long as they're beaten and justin fills a quarterback. I don't have a problem with them being in there. Because i know that there a top forty i know that Clemson is top four alabama notre dame. I guess but if i'm someone like texas am and i've and i've beaten everybody in front of me. I wonder if they would have. This is just the one thing that you gotta take into consideration. Paul and it's in this little bit a lot of things of this year. It's twenty twenty and twenty twenty bucks and there's going to have to be some wiggle room. There's gonna have to be some give and take as some people going to get their feelings hurt. And that's just part of the game. Twenty twenty has heard a lot of people's feelings so if someone's left out in the cold and it has to settle for a new year's six. Let's just be thankful that you're able to play in a new year. Six because paul run of the last times we talk. Neither one of us thought that there would be a great chance that they would get to this point where they are now so. That's kind of a blessing. If you think about it you know. I agree with you. Well let me say this to you. It's always a pleasure to have you on jedrick. Ub well and we will talk again very soon. All the best all right be well. Thank you got it. What a great conversation One of my favorite people out there. Let's take a quick break. We have couple of minutes remaining and we will get to your phone calls right after this. We are officially out of time for this program. 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That One Actor's Name - Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project - 10/16/18

Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project

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That One Actor's Name - Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project - 10/16/18

"Welcome to still entitled the Adam Savage project. I will. I'm Adam norm. Okay. So I think men and wasp is like a solid, six or seven out of the twenty. We got four ragnarok at the toughest, then Japan right in and you know, maybe Iran one I am in one's way up on the list. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I see. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm just jump right into. I was on the plane last week and I watched. I watched civil war again. No scurry winter soldier. I watched winter soldier again. Yes and holy cow. That was fantastic. Winter soldier that that is one of my favorites. There's no, there's no slack time in winter soldier. Either you learning about about Natasha and and captain America or there's these amazing facing winces. The freeway thing is amazing. The Sam Jackson cattle. How much happens in the film. Like in the beginning of the film, I'm like, oh, this is the film of the elevator fight. We've got a long way to go to get there. Well, honestly, the only place that it gets slow for me is in the final scene in the three, three helicopter helicopter like the the whole orchard bit with Bucky is whole drags just a tiny bit near, but but I mean the the day, new mall with Robert Redford. I love watching. Jenny auditor kicks some as Yup. What's his name? The guy who played the the not red skull, not believing the scientists nerd, I one terrifying ends up getting sucked into the computer. Yeah, it's great. It's really good. Those really good. Yes. So movie I came out five years ago. Turns out a five year old movie can still be good. No, yeah. Shock. I'm also watched at your recommendation. I watched ant man and wasp, which I hadn't gotten around to. Shockingly everyone's right. Those are both delightful. Turns out, I fair much think it's Larry's that even Paul Rudd has to include a off shirt seen, yes. When him about, if you're a marvel superhero, there has to be seen in which you don't have your quadrants that all four quadrants for quad demographics. Men, women young 's. Okay. In something forever allies. It was a spread spectrum like, yeah, yeah, they diagram good movies. Good villains. Lovely tack, really fun, physical comedy. And I loved specifically those movies have an reverence to the screenwriting humor that I find very enjoyable characters are constantly not. They're not quite breaking the fourth wall, but they're breaking the fourth wall of conversational etiquette by commenting in meta weighs upon the actual conversation, and it's nice sidestep from the seriousness of all the other marvel films surrounded from civil war to Infinity war Inman participants of war, and they address the fact. I mean, they make it a plot point. Why wasn't the wasp involved in there. Yeah. Why was involved in in civil war? Right now? He left and did it on his own, and that's what caused a relationship to crumble. None of export ler I three minutes also like this. They're both directed by pain read. And of course, the first film had the specter of Edgar right leaving the film. And so a lot of talk of that is quote, unquote, greater differences of what was at gha rights contribution versus what was paying reads contribution. And the second film doesn't have that at all because it is full pain read and the second film is funnier. And that's not to say that the I mean who none of us will ever know the full story about how the first one gets made, right? You know, solo suffers from this and so does rogue one right there were there were movies that they were making and they radically changed direction and remade whole giant chunks of it. So there's no way to know. But I actually think the second one made me laugh out loud a bunch more. And you said could villains. Also a movie doesn't have the sinister villain, right? The tag and there are two in Taganrog. You have ghosts sympathetic character and you have the arms dealer, the tech dealer who's more comic relief than any. Yeah. Yeah. You don't have the. You don't have the ubiquitous shot of the village and killing a kitten. Well, listening kit which you have in in the first one because it's Corey stroll playing just the mirror image. The very classic the origin story will the villain is just the mirror of the the hero, the man or are males. The same ironmonger was mere of iron are man and got yellow jacket was as villains name in the first man. See, no one remembers. 'cause that's right. Got -able part of that movie. I mean, it sets up the whole thing because then I mean, you need that for the for the for Michael Douglas and and Paul Rudd to have a common common enemy. The the the I haven't read much. About this, but the young affi- ING of older Hollywood actors for flashback scenes is getting so much better. It's like the young, Michael Douglas shots were a blew my mind to a certain still hints of Jeff bridges and those young, Michael Douglas shots. You can see you can see that that shiny Barbie face there. It's ever it's getting Slater and Slater, better boulder. I mean, Disney out of the the, I didn't pioneer this, but one of the first notable uses of this was enshrined legacy when they have that was I think that that one's a little bit difficult. I appreciated the fact that in Thor, sorry, in guardians of the galaxy to the Kurt Russell flashback stuff was all makeup. The combination? Oh, yes. Make heavily ready did, but it is the combination. It's so funny. Like when we made episode one and Lucas was making all the talk, show circuits talking about how much of this film was CG. He was really proud of it, and it was. The selling point. We got rid of all the models and kept on showing these shots of models. Right? So every I guarantee you every time there was a sequence where he was like, yeah, we did this whole thing. CG they would show a crashing pod racer and all of the Padres explosions were practical well, and it's amazing because after people saw that movie, the thing that they, yeah, we, we would like less CG next time, probably right. Right. Reaction audience universally? Oh, you made a whole character out of CG. I mean, did you ever stop to think whether that was a good idea or not? And it seems like maybe not now? No. I also want to for the first time I visited the mill valley film festival last week that it's wonderful and I got to see Jason Reitman's upcoming movie. The front runner during Hugh Jackman veer for Megan about the Gary Hart about the implosion of Gary Hart's presidential campaign that was back when when when like infidelity, crisis could bring down a presidential candidate hockey, it is it's coming out on election day. Oh, it's coming out on Tuesday. The sixth of November. It's fantastic. If you like old political potboilers like the candidate. This is right up your alley. It is first of all, the degree to which they nail. The eighties wriggling to the wall is phenomenal. Minus the apple. Watch those in the one promo photo. Oh, really? I thought I'd see Hugh Jackman and one of the reporters. It's time travel right there. It's really, really great and. The performances are all great. I mean, this is populated with, oh my God, Kevin Bala go, wow, it's Alex comparison. All of these wonderful actors in the background. So speaking of a movie that has a ton of wonderful actors sprinkled liberally throughout. I watched with artists the other night, you watch hotel artists, right? Okay. Which the trailers for made me think it was kind of like John Wicky invent. Assault on that was exactly like the reductive Hollywood. This is the Jodie Foster plays the aging nurse of a gang land hospital in the middle of. Subscription based murder. Boy, this is where your Healthcare's going like we're two years away from that and everybody else politics on the podcast. Yeah. Yeah, they're coming anyway, so I got so many minutes into hotel artemisinin turned it off. I stopped. I was like, if all of these characters ship birds I don't care about. So that's the thing is they don't end up almost all the characters end up getting redemptive ARC's. I. And she was right? Yes. If you tell sauce. Tele- being kind of a jerk. And I was like, I, I don't. I don't have it so, but it's Charlie days. If you tell a. A chance to foster James petits. Yeah, that for it's and it's just it's almost could be a play. It's one of those. It's one of those kind of like this could have been like a four set play. Big, big bounces between the rest houses between the rooms and I was thoroughly charmed by it. I couldn't sleep the other night. Like it's not. It's not a great movie, but it's a movie that I will definitely go back and watch again, just because the set design in the world is exceptional. You said of everything you said about that movie, including that it's on some will cast Nancy between rooms at design could apply also to bad times at Oriel. I saw that last night. How is that? I signed up his, I'll be honest, I was disappointed because I very high stations ju ju guttered of courses, director of the byu was cabinet in the in the woods written a bunch of what he wrote. Co wrote the Martian screenplay. He has big producer on the first season of daredevil, which we all love lost. He came from angel unjust, the just win world. He also co cabin the woods, of course, and Cloverfield. He wrote that as well. So various Trump's writer got it. Here on the and this was the long intimated second film after cabin. The woods felt like it felt like a mix. It felt like I was watching a updated two days in the valley. Like something we have to rank. This is actually good accidental film festivals, all of the bad fiction knockoffs valley go and anyway feels a little bit like that kind of knock off in that if you're going to have later. Yeah, that with with steers characters come together where the spaces or important and that you have these title cards in between the scenes justly, hateful, eight, Jeff bridges in it, destroy priceless guitar. No, he doesn't do that. That's good. Doesn't stray something important? You director pitches. Kurt rustlers. He plays the character ten years from now, you'll be some up and coming director going Kirk. This'll be a great moment for the audience and Kurt will stare at them and go to soon. Sorry, I interrupted and this is also something that would would have better played as a play. I think ornaments of theater, like I just be clear. I think I, I really like hotel artists. I felt rewarded at the end for pushing through. I had the same moment early on when when when Cepeda Cepeda Patel talking Charlie day in the bar like these, these characters are all bad. He here's bad. It's almost like they're wearing cards ago. I'm bad. I mean, they are well, I look, I also I loved a Batista. I think he's undersung. He's very good in this. He's wonderful. He plays. He plays a different. It's a little more nuance role than what she calls fatty and he's like, fat. He, it's, it's you guys should watch the movie. We should talk about it more look. We're bearing the lead. Before we leave other segues mentioned Jenny slate also wasted in the movie venom, which Elsa last week, which another San Francisco movie which m and the wasp is, but venom, I think, for sure is a little bit better total. That's popcorn movie enjoyable. And I see stars and the stars born no segue there that won highly commended. If you have a chance to watch that in, I've been LaSalle Jobe atmos- song shallow is incredible. I think lady Gaga is gonna get her e got at some point real soon. I think articles about how they mixed stars Warren, how they did all the vocals on site at places like last and bring music festival Chela and yet didn't let the audience here the audio. So they got what made over four years Bradley, Cooper, huge like he pushed this project. I think a ridge inally 'nother Clint Eastwood was supposed to direct it and think wasn't pink supposed to be the stars born or. Beyond beyond say was suppose that trash and Bradley Cooper is still too young. I think to play that grizzled older rockstar role that like the Keith urban role little bit, and but he's clearly very passionate about this project co-produced by live nation, which is how they just on Coachella. They just had, let's keep the stages up from one extra day. Then. Thought was really cool and incredibly efficient, right? So they have these incredible shots from from the trailer in the movie where you see them onstage in front of eighty thousand people. What do they do? The crowds one day in the well. So what they did was they managed to grab five to seven minutes slots between bands at these festivals where the actors would go out and the cameras would get those key shots. They would sing the song, they get those shots. And then after the festival closed, they'd keep the setup for a day or two and get all their reverse angles. Yeah, real, really brilliant. That apparently the sound ops were running like thirty separate signals all at once mixing grabbing all the ambient sound and they they, they had a way that they had. You know how in c g John knoll, I think pioneered this technique of bringing out the silver ball that they put in the middle of the set, and that allows you assist late stage chapel, eight, all the lights that were on stage in replicate them digitally. So they were doing that sonically they how they built this thing that allowed them to grab whether white noise or pink noise or some type of methodology for grabbing the ambient sound of being on the stage at those concerts and mix that into these live mixes. So that according to them, all of the vocals in the movie were record. I man sweating movie, I haven't seen. So is it mixed? Is it mixes if you're standing on the stage, the audio mix a little bit. I mean, the cameras are very dynamic and the pundits city can ops. Go dancing around the singers. We see that and you. You can see in the behind the scenes photos. Okay. And it's not like that's because a lot of movement, the sound of move around the theater like that, but definitely feels like the best in theater concert experience. He could have paid. So close attention to the sound. I've watched the video of Bradley Cooper and lady Gaga shallow, like twenty five times. I can't. That's that maybe the best song film, but it's like two other songs in the film. They're just as good in Justice, cathartic in the moment. Like even if you listen to the soundtrack, which I think has like dialogue from the film kind of fall, the threat of the film like twenty like twenty extraction, even if you've listened dozens of times the film will still give you the field can't wait and. It's really, really good, also really. Good. All right, let's let's was. Here's the point of this conversation's probably in the title for the podcast they right. Earn it. Yeah. So we doing them to euless. It's time to talk about about space. The final frontier. Exactly. Oh boy. Before we get to. I watched. I also. Airplane of airplane. I've been to like six cities in the last three week, so there's been a lot of movie watching. I watch Star Trek, two thousand nine, which is if anything better than you Rosa Chris pine Abrams I actually I like all three of those a lot. I do too, but the first one seriously, the first five minutes of the first one would discipline of the ship and the Hemsworth Chris Hemsworth and the silence the silent dude that movie holds up. One hundred percent that that when the shuttle leaves enterprise and it goes silent and the scores ties screams labor. It's it is. I got got goals and Keno SCR scores, yeah, nominal. Okay. But we're not talking about that kind of space. We're talking not. We're non-fiction. Zachary Pinto is in hotel artists as well actually, and the line that made me laugh out loud on the plane was when Kirk offers the rush. Lynne's safe harbor and Zachary Quinto goes, what are you doing? And he said, I'm showing compassion. I thought you'd like that it's logical as decorate goes. No, not really. Sorry, normative break you for one more second, but I watched I watched tag to which is the movie where Jerry Renner broke both of his arms on the first week of shooting. Yeah, it's. Oh, that's okay. I saw that on somebody else's was watching that on the plane. So he's on from a distant. It's a movie that's bad. Oh, that's bad ass as the most bad us in the unsolvable as opposed to when he's Hawkeye and he's like the lease powered. But when he's vision mission possible, he's he's broke both his arms with SARS in the first week of filming to they put green screen casts on him. And what was the stunt? It was the chair one when he thirty years, you know, when you stack chairs the warmly top and then yeah, he did a whole sliding thing where he did it again after. Broken. It's it's so that movie the, I thought, the first act of the half. We're really, really interesting, and then I completely got bored by the end, but the stump work and the effects are pretty good in the beginning it looks. It looks tear it's very. For nearly it's one of those films were based on the true story, right? Story and the pitches pitch in the the friends play have been plays game of tag forever in the real world that may be novel in fun. But when you fix allies it like there's so much more interesting fiction it right now, the thing I will point out the complete ungulates plot of the very end of the movie. They to emphasize this is a true story because they're like, this story is really great, but if you believe it was a true story, if you know then then that was a cool thing. They show the Wall Street Journal front page in which the story appeared as a fake Wall Street Journal. Why does because if you pull up from that day, it wasn't a store. It was not. It was it technically was a a small paragraph. Like, you know, it was not the top story. So they had a, they Photoshop a Wall Street Journal to emphasize that it was on the phone, call the front pages, all this whole film industry's living ally. It was. It was I enjoyed. I I, what is the origin story of the game tag? Who is the first man to get tagged? So the upshot is Jerry. They five five friends played John M. Yeah, Jake Johnson j. Johnson at Helms yet. And with other. Verse, you had a Burs verse and German, right? And Jimmy Renner is the only one that's never been tagged. So they're all like like your hot tub time machine. They're all. That's what it looks. Are having good lives. All right. And you know? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, but another came out. Yeah. Yeah, Dame chisels third film, how's it is only made three film and he's like his thirty. He's annoying Lee competent, and you have to be that competent to make this films films are whiplash and LA, and this as a huge departure, it would seem and the first one that he didn't. Right. He just directed. I man, of course we're talking about the Neil Armstrong bio, pic starring Ryan Gosling, therefore clarify is Janet Armstrong and mazing amazing supporting cast. Yeah. I mean, as we've seen with a lot of space films and there aren't a lot of films, there are a lot of a lot of the standout of Paul cheat of course, is probably the high bar still would say totally for for hollow. Yes, real films. I'd probably put right stuff up there, but I think that's mentioned right there flavors. Paul. Thirteen I think is more kind of be. It's. Little bit exactly the more drama, it's more dramatic storytelling, whereas the right stuff borders on wanting to be like a documentary, the right stuff. If you've ever read the book which I highly recommend, if you haven't. Is very true to the book like it is very much a. I'm a guy here telling the story of these seven people. I watched it a few months ago actually for years really, really, I would have thought, so. Yeah, absolutely. Terrific. Jeff, Goldblum's in it over. He's one of the reporters. Rush into the room every time and parts of rates suffer shot here in San Francisco because Gary Guiterrez who used to be my boss, colossal pictures was the effects director really on the film. So yeah, if you look at old episodes of Mythbusters, you'll see some airplanes on the wall, and some of those were from the right stuff, special effect shots. Yeah, that's amazing. Infecting giant globe that hung above Jamie's machine shop was built for one of the looking back at the planet shots from rights really. Now the framing of those two films with Paul thirteen and the right stuff for very different also, right, right stuff is about mercury and appall thirty is about one mission, and you can fill two hours two hours with either of those. First man is interesting in that it is not one mission or one program. It is one person's journey. Well, that's exactly it's, it's an incredibly personal incredibly personal film in which that leaps forward in time sometimes abruptly, five years. But each of those. Leaps is not done by OC. How far they've gone in the Apollo program. Each of those leaps involves Armstrong's family, and in that it is very quiet. If you're going expecting either right stuff or a Apollo thirteen. This is an either of those very quiet and I fell. It's more reminiscent of from there the moon, they ch- b. o. docu series from twenty years ago now probably where they each each episode told the story of like one small part of the program, and and I thought it was like, it wasn't what I was expecting going into theater. I went in and expecting Apollo thirteen, and the big the trailers sold a, here's the story of Apollo eleven, and here's the tense moment right before the as buzz and Neil are approaching the landing which they have they, it's in their late like ten minutes, but that's not the crown. The crux of the film is, hey, here's, here's this human being. Here's the story of him and his family. And here's the toll it took on these normal. Human beings were trusted extraordinary, and that's the thing that I found the most affecting about it was the shell shows really, really clearly how what it is to be the spear point of new inventions to do impossible things. We gene and I went taught screening and area was there afterwards. I think she said that it's it reminded her of the quote that he's famous for about being just the man on the at the point, one hundred thousand people, and that's very much felt like felt very true to what like I know it's not particularly flattering portrayal of Neil Armstrong a lot of ways. Well, look, I know obviously being a space junkie, I'm very familiar with Armstrong's. Incredible humility has desire to make sure that all of the engineers that got him to the moon back are celebrated, not just him. I appreciate his reticence to create a cult of personality, and that comes all the way across in the film. Claire Foy phenomenal. She's got harder, and I, that a genuine partner in their in their relationship dealing with cues and difficult amounts of loss from the loss of his daughter to the law. His fellow pilots. I don't know if you recognized his pilot Elliot. I saw his complaint Patrick fugit from almost famous. It's almost favorite took me. It took me two scenes to figure out. I. Yeah, no, no, no, no. This was the other, the other civilian pilot when they sat down in the trial, the other civilian. And also the actor that plays troll. So from 'em and the watts. He's one of those actors. He's like a swear. He's a little like a Gene Hackman like you put them in your movie, your movies going to be better. He's always going to men and just kill at the part you've given well, in the guy who played one of the Apollo one astronauts Ed white. Yeah, Jonathan. Nope, is not not the guy from Terminator. Salvation is the guy from term. I was gonna talk about Gus Grissom. Gus Grissom and Jason, Jason. I got this. Come on yet continue off. Gus Grissom. Julia kept on my wife kept on turning to me healing, who was who is that? She's like, I only know the right stuff. So who is that the right stuff? I was like, Fred ward played him in the right stuff. So we'll send you all this cross. Yeah, it was so funny because one of the things that I realize that they cast people who looked like the people who played these people in the right stuff, I think maybe more than the actual people I, the Apollo one fire was so upsetting. So there were three key moments death of his daughter in the beginning fifteen fifteen dealt with. Flight, Jason Edgerton. No. Is that right? No, no, no. No. Oh my God. Joel. That's continue, but but yes. So it opens the cold open is expertise flight, right? Yeah, it is. And and it's a terrifying moment like that extra teen by the way built by Ryan gotta. You haven't here in the shop. So pretty. Are we into spoiler territory, I guess now, or do we want to talk about everyone knows how the story turns out they may get it. This dude step on the moon. I think this movie where we're not really worrying about spoilers. In fact, we could talk about seen after Jason Clark. Jason Clark? Yeah. He's got the youngest brain I, I never would have. Yeah, it was not even get close, but sorry, extra. So it starts with extra teen. So it's kind of structured. It reminded me a lot of the jobs that The Danny Boyle, Steve Jobs would be yes. In in that there's, there's these three key moments in Neil Armstrong's life that are folks then they they slot in the Apollo one fire because it's also it's also an important one because the death of white and the impact on the program. It starts with extra teen fight, the death of child when he was a test pilot, northern California. It goes the next one is the eight mission, which is the first docking mission and there's a, there's a failure on the capital intense. Yeah, super. That was a sequence. I found physically exhaust and I think exhausting describe the the three main flight sequences because the way that damage zone his Cima Taga fee since hug refer works on this is makes you feel like you're in the in the cockpit in the space, very claustrophobic to tell you in tiny way in which I've been lucky enough in my life. To sit in devices that I have built to do ridiculous things. The movie is full of these little moments of camaraderie between naturally untalkative astronauts, these moments where two people who are excellent, their jobs stop, they're like, wow, like right. And I connected with that moment 'cause I've been there with Heinemann. Yeah, right. Have been there where he and I are the little visit. This. That felt again every one of the emotional beats in the film felt so infused and had such routes through the through the plot and through the movie into its character. So I was like one of the things that struck me not not to skip around but the but I mean moment the moment after they land on the moon near the first two, they've survived this incredible journey that the head of a hundred thousand people, and they kind of look at your smile and shake hands and then go go back to work. And the way in which again, she Zell makes you realize that these we recently working on some pieces of mercury hardware here in the shop and one of the things that shocking when you lay that out and you guys both had this experiences home, I got this thing was a tin can well, they captured that perfectly. Yes, that's the thing film constantly shows you just how tenuous the barriers between them and total destruction, even even like this, especially on the on the stuff and next fifteen stuff. It's a little bit softened on the shift to Apollo because it feels like. Third generation, we kind of finally started figuring out how to build that stuff a little bit more reliably or a little bit more polished. But but yeah, it was specially like it was really sold by this Matafi in the film where when he's in a high g hygiene situation, the teen, the close up, the shot that you're seeing is from the astronauts perspective always. So you see his face, you feel it's a really tight. Lends you feel how small that space is crafty is in the McKinney. It sounds rickety folks rickety really hard to show that and we'll you see the closeups of the of the dials and when you came across, but the screen shake the camera was moving constantly giving a ton of motion on those dials. So it's it's seen in the theater. It's a twenty foot tall, three inch dial that's blowing from left to right across a wide screen, and it's a little hard to watch. It was challenging. Yeah, but I like the only person I know that's been in a fighter jet that's gone faster than the speed of sound. Like is that is that what it's like when you're under g load? Like all, you know, I'm a, I'm a TV personnel today. Wouldn't subject me to put you under f. eighteen is the hornet is such an ludicrously stable machine that no, I didn't experience was shaking these. That is, that's the PEX of our mates, not the PEX, but like that is a machine built to do that. This is the secrets and the expertise. That's the first plane to go. This crazy fast and when he's bouncing off the atmosphere, that was so intense. Yeah, and he's with the shaky camera. It's not just in the cockpit, but even everything is hand held a ninety, five ninety eight percent of the film's looks hand-held when they're on earth. So the moments with Claire Foy who's amazing this because of their relationship, even the parts where they're not in conflict, it looks like homeys from the Sixers and then intentionally. So the camera floats around it's loose, and the only time the cameras is still is after they land. Oh, and the moment they land. He stepped says the line in the takes the breath in the sound long, and there's a long hand that goes all the way round as only time it's a steady show on sticks. Wow. I'm also I really appreciated the family sequences. I the the way in which the movie treats children children aren't in the movie for much more than like maybe five or eight minutes of screen time told their their present present throughout the whole film in a way that feels really natural and has a lot of veracity to a lot of the storytelling about the relationship with astronauts and their families happens in the context of the working six days a week on this crash program to beat the Russians, but we'd take Sunday afternoons often have barbecues with our coworkers and their and their spouses and like there's a ton of, hey, the wives are all having a hard time. Spouses are having a hard time. The astronauts are all worried about this incredible thing that they're doing and they're gonna get beat by the Russians and have been consistently beaten by the Russians every step along the way. And it's it's a fascinating kind of look did actually Tomo of hints at in the right stuff, but it doesn't come across so much in the movies. You see, you see the funerals of the test pilots in the right stuff, but you don't see kind of aftermath of that so much. It was just the cost of doing business. And ultimately, even though it's a very personal film about one person's journey through the incredible thing that is a space program, I feel like it stands wonderful testament to the incredible effort of the entire space program. Right. And does that by just shining a mere shining a light on this one person and saying, you know, it's the film, makes it really clear. He is not at all alone in his excellence and being able to do thing. It is incredible support network that does it, and you get to understand that through watching how. It affects us one person in their family. The one thing that their things about me the Senator Fay's I understand like it's one of the things I absolutely understand why you shoot those capsule sequences with the super tight cameras, and you don't give the beautiful extra shots because you want the audience to feel like what like to be one of those inside the limb going down being for the very first time. I love those here. Exterior shots. You know, and then the the other thing was I felt like like I didn't. I had to go and look on MD to see who the kind of supporting characters where I, I wasn't sure if Kyle Chandler was or. Or Gordon Gordon Cooper, but he was he was the end right? And you pick that up throughout the thing, but it was a little bit. It was a little bit unclear. It's really interesting who this film was for because it was. Yeah. Like is it for people who are really in the space or is it for a little whiter audience? It was really into space, but I'm not so sure. I find myself very curious about the next about the rest of shells career. This is a really interesting place to go after the success of LA La Land, and I feel like I really appreciate the fact that it's not in the same line at all and feels like these feel like, well, there's a threat. There's one threat thematically from whiplash the land to I man and it's these professions and these accomplishments that are glamorized public. He pulls the curtain back a little, whether it's from musicians to acting Hollywood to heroes in our. I base history. He does definitely pulls that curtain a little back. It's definitely not like the thing. The thing Gina said after we saw this was that it seemed like the kind of movie that couldn't be made until now, right? It's it's a more honest raw. Look at this at this time in history was now forty fifty years ago. Then we ready were capable of it when we were kids and I'm, you know, I kind of feel like like Chanel taking a. The Danny Boyle path right l. e. instead of instead of getting bogged down in one John ran having genre director. He seems to be kind of like spreading wings and trying a little bit of everything, which I really appreciate I do too. I do too. So I as a space nut, I really enjoyed this film as a film. I thought it was really lovely, and I thought I was surprised as a person with kids how sensitively it really showed the toll on a family of that kind of endeavor. Yeah, so highly rated secretary, very satisfied. I would night at the movie. I would say that the theme of shells work is probably obsession. As with lash in LA La Land. These are LOL. The dedicated determined absolutely people in the told that takes I, I, I, I really, I walked away from the singing. It was really unkind portrait of like probably honest, but but he did not paint a a wonderful. You know, he painted Neil Armstrong as a bad dad will a good dad and also a bad at the same time, which is, I think how most probably feel like they are there, but for the grace. Yeah, and and definitely bad husband. Yeah. So what I'm curious about, I'm gonna get your thoughts on and I want to spoil this part of the film, but there's something that happens on this that has historical if it true would have historical significance, but at very best as apocryphal. But probably fiction, I had never heard of this. I, I went back into some fairly extensive research. There was literally the only thing I was able to find where people who had seen the screener a for showing. Yeah. And we're asking the same question, look, I I didn't think that that moment was necessary. I understood why in Hollywood's desire for a script that ties up and neatly creates circles because Hollywood love scripts that call back to themselves that that was a satisfying moment for the film to have, but I didn't think it was necessary. Yeah. It wasn't necessary for me to emotional connect with the film across the full arc of Armstrong's. It just felt in for film that has so much attention to detail on the technical aspects and who knows about the emotional truths of the film. And that's that's for norm strong and his family. Right? It was. I also felt it was unnecessary. If true, it would have been amazing, but realizing now that that was just made for the motion satisfaction of the film, I felt like it was a little too. If. Look, that whole thread was. You know, every parent's worst nightmare. Oh my gosh. And losing losing. Yeah, and and he the way that was portrayed early on where he was obsessed with everything, he could to save his daughter, right? He was he was nearly reading medical textbooks and reading the x rays and and things like that to see. See if he could pick up something that the doctors at missed and he's smart. He's a smart engineer, like stranger things have happened. But yeah, I I, it didn't. It didn't strike me as unfair. I, but I did. I had questions. So much more. We can say about this film. We've talked about a lot of films on the tombs are exceptional customer except and. Brining to built a bunch of this parts. But the the, the bulk of the big space suits were built by Chris Gilman global effects. There's a ton of real close up. Spacesuit porn. Yeah, there you get to see a lot of connectors going on, so delightful, snap, right? Turn to good sound effects sink. You need. You need a fully guy in here all the time when you're putting the suits on. Oh, have one. It's going on in my head. When you make video, you need to have the chunk for when all right. Yeah, normal pan the camera to the side and sack. Exactly. The the period costumes and the set decoration like they did a lovely job, rebuilding, I guess, mid century modern Houston. I think they did in Roswell Georgia is what I really really beautifully done and very subtle. Again, this is l. third film he is in his thirties, we have. We have a lot to look forward to from this young man, very hopeful and we will be there'll be more coverage of I man on tested this weekend, necks video. Yeah. So we have a video with Ryan Agata who brought up some of the actual costumes worn on the film that he made, including ex fifteen suit. They'll be on the site lettuce week and early x. filming an episode off world with which will be talking about it as well. So lots more so you have a chance. We didn't go into full spoilers watch the film this week and enjoy our discussions of it in the coming Adam are you're going to build any of the suits from this movie. All of them, but the extra teensy. Right. This is true. Believe I have one of each. Yeah, because they didn't go into a seven LB they stopped with the seven l. yeah, there you go. Anything. Those are the big things. Also, if you're a member couple nice things about this week, we have a new series with Sean Jeremy. They worked for five months on a brand, new hark aid cabinet from scratch, including the design of only five months, several if felt like a long time. But that whole journey were document the whole thing, and the process is being rolled out on tested right now. And for members, we have our annual gift will be revealing very soon on the sites of stay tuned for that reason. That gift it's been laid is all my fault. I'm very sorry, it's worth. It's worth the wait. It's worth the wait. Thank you so much for joining us. I, I don't know if I'll be around x. week I may maybe could be off could be off for a month. We'll be here. You're in the window. I'm in. The window is coming. That's right. That's right. There's no upside to talking about that. Kid seven. Okay. 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The Orion Effect - Take me to the Moon

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Starting dot com or call five four zero four four eight two seven four three Operation as the launch team. Which is a good luck. God speed. thank you very much good three minutes. Twenty five seconds and counting was still go at this time once again. Thank you very much. Now t minus three minutes counting t minus three we are go with all elements of the mission at this time on an automatic sequence system as events over these last year managed two minutes forty five seconds and counting the members of the launch control center monitor a number of what we call red line tolerances. We don't want to go with heaven below temperatures and pressures standing by the call out any deviations from our plans to see vehicle depressurize as far as the telling tanks concerned as we monitor that status. Boy the mon at liftoff will be at a distance of two hundred and eighteen thousand ninety six miles away just passed the two minute mark in downtown t minus one minute fifty four seconds and counting our status board indicates that the oxidizer tank the second and third stages now have pressurized. Continue to build up president in all three stages Here the last minutes to prepare to minus one minute. Thirty seconds on the apollo mission to land. I meant on the mall. All indications are coming in to the control center at this time. Indicate the goal one minute. Twenty five seconds and counting our status board indicates the third stage completely pressurized eighty second mark has now been passed or go on full internal power at the fifty second month in the countdown. Guidance system goes on seventeen seconds leading up to the admissions points. Eight point nine. Seven approach sixty second. Apollo t minus sixty seconds. Count we past t minus sixty Off forty seconds away the phone. London or second tanks now pressurized by seconds in astronauts report. It feels good. Came on twenty five second minus fifteen seconds. Trial eleven ten to nine commission. Six points Good evening travelers those alike. Welcome to premiere. Cs lewis show of the orion effect. Right here on the rip radio. Podcast network i am. How odell along with my beautiful host cat cat food tonight is going to be a wonderful show. It's gonna be extreme. We're going to bring some really great information to you. We're not gonna go off left. We're not gonna go off right we're gonna give you the straight information holes gaps. Try to do what we can. We will give her own opinions but before we even get started when i say hello to all the travelers on facebook absolutely. Oh okay I said earlier about hi renee. Hi liz hi christina. Hi james and hi carol i. It's been a long time long time and it's been a long term to be able to say this. I'm getting older. well there. Yeah say his scales very important in the show tonight because of her beliefs. And everything's kinda guided me in you into this show happy father's day to all day if you like to call in tonight and listen or if we have time to take a call we can explain something that we found in research. The number is one three two three eight seven zero three eight seven seven now along with that. If you're listening into blog talk radio if you want to jump on over to facebook check us out on the orion affect. You won't necessarily check us out live. You can communicate and get in the chat with us right there We have a shared this out to several of these groups Many of the ufo conspiracy groups and crypto because there are good friends many of the promotional groups throughout facebook. We went to them all plus before we get started folks. There's something else we need to say. Thank you to c. Span to the aldrich family to the history channel and i knew missing somebody else Oh and of course to cbs. Who just listened to these are all of the audio files that you will be hearing tonight. Cat will be discussing and we may even have a surprise caller on tonight's As a special guest if he's if he's able to make it. Because i know he's a little busy and it is father's day but he may call in Muggles amy more than that. I'm just going to start this off by saying that. With this conversation. Nobody is trying to diminish anything that was accomplished by nasa know nor are we make any disrespect to any of the astronauts that have gone out into space. I many of them on my eyes. So i i don't i will never let anybody admiration for them and you know thankful that they will willing to risk everything to just further our knowledge. And that's that's pretty big exactly and with saying that as well. We're going to look at both sides not just one side because there is something deeper in this subject then. Most people will even acknowledged in fact in our research today. What are the documentaries. We came across was an fbi agent. No names mentioned an astronaut ex ex ex astronaut and an era scientist. And it's amazing to me of the lack of communication the lack of understanding and the misdirection. That are many of our society organizations who try to lead us nine. We're gonna do our best to try to get you to at least see what's out there is. You can make your own decision now. This wasn't bring this up. Well the first thing we want to do this. I think the best way to get this rolling is to actually keep. It lays john johnson. Mayall radio check. Houston a loud and clear. Break break buzzes. Here's some Radio check and verify tv circuit breaker and tv circuit. Breaker five claire rutter. We're getting a picture on the tv. He's a great deal of contrast in it and currently it's upside down our monitor but we can make up for details. okay position Okay gotta have on. A guy is coming down the steps goodell. We see coming down the ladder. Now our okay. I checked the backup to the first step for collapsed through our but If adequate to get back up pro jobs so there's a foot on the moon. Stepping down on the mood is testing per step. He must be stepping down on. The moon at this point is houston to one one seconds for shadow photography sick once. Okay at the foot of ladder. The lamb put this are only about the uh one or two inches although the campus appears to be Very very fine grain as you get closer to it almost like border day. Look at those pictures so little way but said expected that in the shadow of the lunar module armstrong is on the move on thirty eight year. Old american standing on the surface of the moon on this july twentieth. Nineteen sixty nine quote. Didn't understand one small step for man. But i didn't get the second phrase some one of our monitor's here Space here that we'd like to know what it work is. Fine and powdery. Pick it up loosely. With mike pero here and finally earth Like powders charcoal through this ball. And that's one small step one brand of my third. the and they. I'm andy particles okay. Travelers of course the iconic Statement of course that was sir walter cronkite. If that's the funny part to me was kicked off just for a second. I'm going to answer a question that was asked and chat First of all walter cronkite. Couldn't hear that clearly why it was clear it was clear what jones say maybe he had hearing is maybe he had a hearing issue now. What was the question. From james How does dell with their video transition from the moon about asking being alien. I wouldn't be video. That would've audio. Okay that's gonna come further along in the show. That thank you for asking that james great question We're gonna get into a little bit of that later. What we do is we're gonna lead you up from nineteen What lead to fifty eight right. We're going to start from the beginning of all of this so you all have the greater picture. Not just disappear all eleven. What led to what situations to place so again. Thank you for being a part of this if you wish to call listen. It's one three two three eight seven zero three eight seven seven right here on the wrist. Radio podcast network on blocked off. Radio jump on over to facebook and check us out at the orion attack. Now it's showtime folks. Let's have some fun. Have we got some serious material cat. And i have been doing so much research preparing for the show and i just want to say that almost got him john glenn was one of my idols and something that my brother reminding you of a couple of weeks ago was i was supposed to go into space care for a reason because of some of the stuff that i created in cincinnati my ideas. I didn't go for whatever reason. But the reason was because john glenn and gus grissom in basel and mike collins assange my father. He's were my heroes. Swim proud to talk about this to me. I'm excited let's build this up. Let's do it. How do we did hear cat. Let's talk about it. Well i think the speaker initiative started with the basic war with russia to see who could get up there. I you know. Russia had a lot of i the first woman the first start Sputnik really they were beating pretty. Well they seem to be very seemed to be that they seem to be beating and america wanted to be the first day they want to dominate. Because that's what the empires do right and they also nineteen fifty eight The horizon initiative the horizon initiative with put in place and what this was is to build a military viva i to build a military base on the main. And that's what their goal all out fifty eight. Is she bad ass or what absolutely and now. Both countries wanted that they wanted to put a moon base out there in my career. I well rested denies it now. They said they were their goal was never in the moon. It's true but of course that was after their laugh chillier and they shut their program. Now so there was a lotta miss leading from the soviet union. At the time What they said they did they did not do it. Okay right they didn't share with the public is how many failures they had along the way so many Cosmonaut sam lives where Entrusting them to the the people that were again cutting corners in rushing the job to be the first to do it and the safety went out the window right so they. They covered up all the failures. They had an only you know showed the the success of. That's what we encounter to as we get into nineteen sixty nine and from sixty five to sixty nine kind of think about it. We try to cover about failure to. I think that would be four now. Sixty nine has done. Radian six to nine which we're gonna get into 'cause we told you we're going to give you everything So where do we go. We go from germany much of the head of you. Well i mean no we go to kennedy declaring that we will be on the moon within the decade right. By the end of the decade we would be on exact. He promised the nation well. that's a timetable. That was you know ten years ten years to put to to create something and put somebody on the moon. I i mean that's insane. There's an insane amount of time Too short for any logic to actually be considered in that this is true and some people laugh at. This is my personality. But let's give it a shot and we'll get a quote quote if i may we choose to go to their own. We choose to go to the mirror. We choose to go the moon in this decade and do other things not because they are easy but because they are hard because dot co what's to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills because that's allen's is one that we will willing to accept so when he said other things not referring to the military base they wanna known good question. We are unwilling to postpone and one we intend to win. And the other. Two john f. kennedy so our country failing miserably nineteen forty five to nineteen fifty nine operation paper clip favorite paperclips gauged and with that was just because germany already had a working rocket. They knew how to get it out there really. They knew how to get it out without it blowing up so we wanted that technology so we decided to bring over sixteen hundred german scientists engineers and technicians after warren. Quandary now what they don't tell you is that some of these were asked they were nazis. They were not in not just nazis. Lake cat said they were there. They were the s and one of them ron. Bon bon wasn't an s s. Major now the ron parts. This is some of you. Travelers already know that von braun was taken under the wing Command by curtis women. General curtis lemay. Who at the time was the acting general for the army air corps. Now remember what i just said. Army air corps. And i talked about the majestic twelve before. And i told you how the may was that silver sword. Now we're gonna continue with that because bond braun really plays a big part of what direction we go now right. So von braun is brought over He's working with the air force when the over ear court on drums group with these all these scientists engineers and technicians working with the military right but in nineteen sixty. They join nafta around the same time. The army and the air force actually split and became their own identities. The army had its own air corps. Now as in the air force was created worried about that. Same time folks just giving you a little bit outta a history lesson on how things are kind of going in directions right Before the before von braun join us We were doing pretty pretty poorly 'cause he definitely helped us. Oh don't so for his technical prowess but what a despicable human being You know you don't want to look up to somebody. That was an ss major now. We can't go but so far without saying we do not want you to think that all nazis were despicable nasty. We had that here in the states as well. We had socialist here in the states already. Actually one was right here in virginia dejean and and stanton virginia Who was communicating with it. But we're talking scientific site and everybody has that history and the list of the ss. They were brutal rule. Yeah and to be a major pretty high up there correct. No yeah no sorry personally. And the fact that these nazis were there there were just wiped clean because of their intelligence. And after you hear about what. The scientists did these poor people correct and we gave them sanctuary and operation paper clip now. Remorse soviets did the same thing. Yeah they actually brought over. Like six thousand. Germans families in russia to try and accomplish the same bowl right. Pick the right ones wrong. Pick from that. That's that is Right all of the germans that were brought over not these only a portion of them were unfortunately von braun is such a huge critical part of the program that his cell is tarnished. kinda tongue-in-cheek the whole thing exactly. Yeah it kind of started now. We'll maybe jumping a little head. We have to talk about on gone to get to that date. We're looking at when von braun came on. Because there's another gentleman prior to von braun coming on Who was a part of that. And nasa let him go and in some bad things happen to utah band right right. He wasn't he wasn't wearing brown. He was an inspector right. What i'm saying is we're getting to that point of when bob ron came into and he fell off. That's what i want to make sure that was a clear understanding of the timeframe as so. I think maybe we should start with. Why do people think the moon landing in happen. Why do some people think the moon landing did not happen. Builder pretty pretty specific. And they are certain that this was a hoax. And it absolutely didn't happen. And actually this was all started in the nineteen seventies when somebody win a engineer. That worked as a company developed the saturn. Five engine right. Says you know what i worked on. There is no way with the technology we have and what we're doing that we can put men on the moon and get them that we should get them to the moon. We cannot get them back. We don't have it in the us to do that. Exactly and so. I'm i know for a fact that we didn't do it. And here's why. And this is the evidence i'm gonna give you the grainy video Pictures that the saddest seemed wrong. The flag On my mission seem to wave which seemed to be wind when they're sitting ben any wind on the moon. Oh you're really jumping right at the wise it. Okay i you could work out the two but i see where you're coming from because why are we doing this. Show so yeah. So why does he think we don't have the technical know how to do this. When gives him the impression that we didn't see the only one that felt that way. No how your video. From the move to us. And incomes thomas ban thomas bayern. You're already for this name folks. How has was an inspector for the apollo eleven mission. He went over the facts and win over the work to make sure that it was done correctly and it was done up to to a coke. Bright unfortunately he kept finding shortcuts. He kept finding mistakes. She kept finding things were overlooked He was an air force tech. He knew what he was talking about. and he was raising all these red flags but his over and over again and he was becoming a big thorn in nasa right because they were slowing the he was slowing down the product. He personally with going out a project deep needed on speed. They needed if done yesterday. Now james said something. And i wanna i wanna make sure that people understand. He said that. The germans helped create nasa in some ways. You're right james. I just wanted to make sure your knowledge for your statement so so he was really frustrated. He went on. He will a fifty page report to give to management to show them all of the things that they that he was he was concerned about and the astronauts that talk about him said that yes so move his points very valid but not all of them were so see basically just brushed him up so he took this fifty page report and he leaked to the press and he leads to to the press and then he leaves it to the nothing of course if the the press blew up he got fired Obviously you know you in so many much right. He was nothing but okay. Nothing born in their side. Okay well so he gets fired in nineteen sixty six words. What also happens in one thousand hundred sixty six. The apollo one where a module module on the launch pad just doing tests for their launch. You have pre-test. Three astronauts were burned up now with straying. One of the major astronauts that was in that capsule that day was gus grissom which also claimed that our technology. And then there's the corner that would be in chi- with making this a piece of junk basically called it a piece of job. He did not want to fly human trash can. He did not believe he would make it better. They really did not like. I'm not gonna make it back if i go in this day. And he actually went the day before the launch went and had an unscheduled press. Release that they were little upset about because he spoke his mind where he basically called the modular piece and joke you. What did you wrong. Yeah he hung something on a is symbolizing appeased junk so basically he was calling piece jump and of course it was not happy about that And then he burned up and nasa claims that you know it's it was an accident it wasn't done on purpose because he was an name. You know gives you a call in trouble. But and then they said there was material that were flammable materials within the capsule way mughal material. Their water new capsule there were Frayed wires and there was a cooling league and they didn't have an emergency relief for the door. So you add all those factors together. And that's what happens. Much will all of that proves the exactly thomas. Barron was saying exact all along. There is going to be a problem us wrong right. I mean who on a new castle. You're testing for the first time. How are they're freed wires. How is their kumon lake. How is it. It does not founded. That's exactly right on a new capsule how you have a cooling and any line on a brand new line. How is it that you have frayed wires or even open wires on a new capsule. How do you use materials. That have a static charge when you know that the inside modulars port your oxygen. Any kind of spark consist the whole thing on fire. Why would you use those materials and nothing what can happen. We're could happen with that launch but before we get back let's go back to the accident so So this happened after. Thomas aaron with fire so congress called thomas bearing in To hear when he had to say 'cause obviously he predicted there was going to be a problem before was a problem in the fifty page document. It not specify anything concerning what actually happens to those astra because that hadn't happened yet but once it happened. He went to input a five hundred page report together. That included cruise that nasa knew about the msci flammable materials and equipment failures. They knew about that stuff ahead ahead of time and they weren't fixing nothing brushing they were like. Hey you know what we gotta crunch talk. Oh did somebody pays for that well. So he produces five hundred report to congress. Seven days later him. His wife and his stepdaughter were hit by a train. A train owned and operated by nasa. Not sure and space administration. His five hundred page report disappeared. It's congress doesn't have it. Nobody has nobody has it. And they even said oh. We're still looking for. How can you be looking for something you said. You can't find it didn't exist. They they know it existed. It was produced. A congress is saying is existence after the fact. now if you're into government you're staying how it works and if you go in front of a congressional committee every record goes into what they call the congressional record big thick books you can go to your library and look out anything that do congress and what day what time you pull it out go to that time at it tells you in details doctrine of what happened hell prior to yes what prior to the train crash He was. He was complaining to the police that he was being followed and that his home was ransacked ransacked and being followed And that this is a seven day period from when he reported to congress about the five hundred page report exactly And i'm sorry. I know it's really hard to figure out how to hit a person. Clar train if you knock them out somehow and then hit the car with the training of the look the same. Now we'll just him. He had his wife in the car and his child and some people say this was a suicide that he was embarrassed. Now i say why after you're able to finally have somebody listen to you right. Somebody's finally hearing you. Why would you then be so depressed that you need to kill yourself. Oh it it gets better than that folks. Twenty minutes prior to this incident. He just walked us call early. You watch this car washes and then this happened and the cops say that he was just trying to run the train. engineer on the train said that he honked his horn twice. And the car didn't go down or stop so he basically just barreled. Now mind you know steering no automated steering and this is a very sharp turn to go into the train. The road actually ran right beside the track till it took a left and curve down and over the tracks anybody that knows how to drive a manual powered steering vehicle knows how hard it is to actually turn that day. of course. it's much easier when you're at your speed. You can get that term that everybody else knows the weight that ratio and the amount of ratio to us to turn that vehicle on a dirt road would've puts you in easily into a spin or slide off road as you go do that at the quoted speed switches forty miles an hour. It was that was just insane and then the think that somebody would try to open a train while they have their family in a vehicle with you. I mean i can understand the kid in an idiot but you have a family in your car with you. Who would try to do that. Exactly exact- quick. So here we are leading us up to the events. Now we have this gentleman who they claimed. Oh they cleaned as an accident though. They claim it as an accident. They claim that he was trying to outrun the train and he was hit now. That is the fact that we're giving you. You can think about or look into your own. That does seem little odd. Gus grissom and this gentleman. They have looking at moving flags. when shot. where you know you've got people that have died. rising up against And that stuff is just not even talked about right now. We're gonna go back to the capsule real quick apollo tin get rangers. Apollo one. sorry so here. You have gus grissom. Who is allowed now. Nobody liked him. It was approved sad because he was talking about safety. He was talk about flying. He is the one that nasa wanted. I officers it's in the books because he was aw he was the hardest gusted. It didn't take crap but he had a very big mouth and he was. He had a very good. He was resented vocal about how he felt about the way that the mission was rattling. And instead it would never fly and started talking about the this funk's hosted communicate from space if we can't even communicate from building to building that waves that's cool folks So yeah i mean wasn't an accident it has to be. Why would they make themselves with that. But at the same time. Who has wires and fricking coolant leak. And don't know it on a brain. You should've let's just being built jephson caps. No and it's it's think about this folks. She keeps said. We're squeezing up okay. We're gonna try to keep going. It looks like from aaron. We're good thank you for letting us know. I wouldn't be surprised if we keep raising up because of the signal out here. We do apologize. Hopefully you can still hear his proper buzzer blog talking facebook so also in nineteen sixty six. This is where it gets fun. Conspiracy theorists. Leave that the moon. Landing was faked that the video was speak well in nineteen sixty. Six nasa provide stanley. Kubrick is a hollywood producer. He was working on and the two thousand one space on it. If you remember the name now two thousand one space odyssey sixty sixty started the film no sixty four he starts but he got the limbs and sixty four gets the. He gets the lens and sixty six from nasa. Now this is len only no. There's only seven were ever made okay. So this was a special teeth. Len that were used by nasa. They're very expensive very rare hay only a few wherever made well nasa provides this hollywood producer with one of these lenses to make his nervy more realistic. They also provide this hollywood producer. Exact dimension to recreate the lander lunar lander exact everything to make it to spec. How often do you know nasty this year. Any type of information like that with anybody seriously. Exactly so think about this. We just talked about some of the unusual. Now we're talking about seven unique lenses now. These lizards divide design so when the shutter speed happens it's a smaller smaller hole. So it gives another define dimension of the picture. This makes his movie. The two thousand one space odyssey more realistic than any other movie that we've ever been able to see this. Has nasa helped him. Why why did nasa approach this movie producer in nineteen sixty six and help him exactly and makes you go. These are the things we wanna give you up. We wanted to give you the stash and you may not have heard some this. That's why we're gonna do. I give you the shadows and the flag. We're giving give you something that actually this eat. These are the conspiracies that we think people should be hearing conspiracy of right. There are things that happened. That make you go Something's not adding up exactly. They're not being completely on it. So fan that and we have about ten minutes before the top of the hour I wanna play something for you guys and they were gonna jump back in now. We're not gonna talk about apollo eleven just yet what we're going to do is we want to give you something that i got from naso. It is on their site. If you go look and listen to weird noise you can put it right in the search search bar and it'll take you to it this is from apollo and this is my calls. Uh-huh reportedly were hurting me. Nineteen sixty nine by the apollo ten astronauts as they circle the moon month before the first astronauts stepped food on the lunar surface on july twenty first that same year the three astronauts on board were. Thomas stafford. John yawn and eugene cernan. The sounds which lasted about an hour. We're recorded and transmitted to mission control in houston. According to the discovery show that trails fell. The sounds were so strange that the debated whether or not to tell the chiefs and also for fear they wouldn't be taken seriously and could be dropped it. From future space missions nelson says the sounds could not have been alien music in engineer from the us space agency. Seven noise is likely came from interference caused by radios that are close to each other in the lunar module and command module astronaut award and who flew and apollo steph t and disputed. That explanation saying quote. Logic tells me that if there is something recorded on there then there is something there there you go. That is bold. And that's another astronaut stating this before powell. Yes so where's that leading that we're going back to is leading to the moon. It's leading us to. Hey what took place. What's there what happened. What other areas these could there be right finally made it. We got there right. you know. So what conspiracies could come after that. Look good look good well. That's interesting and with saying that. Here's one of the concerns. Well this is a little bit after but they heard the same town. And i i wanna wait till we come back to play this audio because this will make more sense because it was more twelve thirteen fourteen. That came up with this idea. And we're gonna give you information about the hollow dairy. This is going to be interesting. And what actually took place so here. We are on the launch pad nineteen sixty nine and we're all going no not up because in nineteen sixty seven aren't just who takes over as Leader of the oppo. The commander and researcher of the head engineer became von braun was in charge of the apollo mission. However things started to change now. Is it possible that he brought stabilization and it stops corners when he took charge. And that's why they were able to do it. Only three years later years having simple issues like no emergency hatch on the door like we can clinch like Flammable materials used within the castle. I mean the on this. These are just obvious things that should never have been overlooked. Exactly you know you have the technical things like actually landing and taking from the mean. You wouldn't think who leaks should be what catching up exactly and it makes you a emilio Is that odd really. Isn't that odd. So what we're gonna do before we leave for break we're going to play you a segment of a show that we both love which makes a lot of sense. More come back. They're jump back more of the theories and understanding. Actually get to nineteen sixty nine when they or your or did they take us to the moon. Did we get there. Did you take us here. This is going to get fun because me and her start bickering about this. 'cause we love this this mazing but there's something we wanna play now. We're gonna play this. We're gonna let you off thing. We're gonna take a break. The song is produced by robert slump. Find roberts slump on youtube and facebook incredible music if you have video games. You're producing short movies if you look for soundtracks. This is the man to go to our song music. Let's take a listen to our good friend. Adam shall we. Okay explain it to me one more time. Why do you think the moon landing was faked. We're skeptics right. So think about it skeptically. There's no way not to have the technology to go to the moon. just villanova sound stage. That would've been way easier. That's what conspiracy theorists drink with. The truth is speaking. The moon landing in nineteen sixty nine actually would have been harder than just going to the moon in the first place here. I'll show you take one all right in this scene. Your on the moon. And it's real and we're fooling america these thinly cooper to shot guy jumping around on set and then they played it back on tv. Sorry but given the filmmaking and lighters acknowledged at the time that actually wouldn't have been possible right lighting. Look at how this is clearly shot in a studio actually creating that lighting would have been essentially impossible in studio melinda meet mark shubin. He's a forensic most picture analyst and an emmy winning lifestyle of the society of motion picture and television engineers. Thanks that using image forensic. I can tell you the light source we see in the moon. Footage is actually parallel. Some raise with no diffusion. If you look at the photos from the apollo mission you can see that. All the shadows are parallel. Because of course is ninety three million miles away but you try to recreate that same photo. Using studio lighting shadows diverge back in the sixties. The only way to recreate that effect would be to build a wall of millions of laser lights so close together. They'd be like pixels on a tv screen. Go no lighting is wrong. I need lasers but lasers back. Then we're big and costly so rigging together that many that size would have required any normal apparatus but probably would have cost more than the entire apollo project this is great now would just be millions of be glaciers. Oh i don't know if that's in our budget worthy countries. Honestly feta you make me feel. And in those days the only lasers that were practically available were red which means the color photos we have from the moon landing would have been impossible. I can't sue in red light. it makes this moon. Looks like delo we. Millions of ultra rare multicolored explain. I mean that's not even remotely approach school now. Today we could recreate the correct lighting with computer graphics but in nineteen sixty nine. Those didn't exist. I asked my colleagues in forensics and in movie production and give him the parallel light rays and the detailed color photos. We just cannot think of any way they could have faked the moon landing with the technology they had at the time marx convinced. Maybe that's what they want you to thing. What if nasa secretly create a computer graphics and just kept it from for forty years well then an astronomical number of people would have had to keep that secret like over four hundred thousand nasa employees. You want all four hundred thousand of us to keep our mouths shut. Yes please you gotta love. We love scientists from australia. Spain in england who said they independently picked the moon landing transmission from space. And i would lie to you. You're always making fun of our veggie months and they're russians received for his rival. Who had every reason to prove us wrong. It's been fifty years in the ever even claimed that you think you'd be fair and square this time but dude you bet doing sixty. Where's the tangible proof that we went to the moon. Hough there isn't any actually. There is well the astronauts around the moon. They laid out a reflective material called retro reflectors. So today on earth aims high-powered laser. Fm bounces right back possible. It's still could have been. Oh you have to do is secretly develop computer graphics. Technology decades ahead of time convince multiple governments to lie on our behalf and then somehow wrestler. Actually right forget it. It'd be easier to put a man on the moon Jason bland and there every sunday night at eleven o'clock both on facebook and on youtube. Do your of mosul. Every sunday night and welcome back to the second hour of the orion effects the premier seasonal show wanna travelers those like for being a part of this sticking with it and hearing the basic tax. Now we're about to jump into something now alive you go. Oh no conspiracy. You know about it. But alice. I i want to go back and i was listening to the Ruined ruined and there are some things that i disagree with. We did have the technology to reproduce the lighting and the vision. Two thousand one space odyssey proves that who's it He had the technology because nasa gave it to him the special effects artists. That was a part of two thousand one was a s s x gene. So yeah i mean come on really technology. We had the we had it. We had it. He was able to in detail. Create out of clay the actual moon surface for two thousand one space. Odyssey shameless plug. I have to say that because the technique he used he would get up twelve feet high and sprinkle lords water droplets into the clay and it was exactly duplicate of the moon. Oh my god So i don't. I don't agree with adam ruins everything that he did. Have the technology tutton. Not the gave him the technology to reproduce it so that they could reproduce it either to prior to the moon landing nineteen sixty six three years before we made it which is one month away is an anniversary by the way chill wind twentieth. Anyway i just wanted to go back and say that. I just disagreed with that. One one thing that he was talking about. Oh don't worry. James we're going to be talking about that if it's not on this one and maybe the part two of this episode. 'cause this may go into a two parter because we have some other stuff to talk about that. James is actually stating something about technology. back in early years prior to the true space program to what happened in roswell new mexico. This is interesting. you're on target james. We're going to get to that as soon as we can. But i what we're gonna do is. We're going to jump in to both older. Who's one of the astronauts apart of all eleven and we nathan. She's been actually. She's been saying that for years absolutely Know what we're gonna do. It's ten minute law. But i really want you guys to hear this because that will lead us into what we're gonna do and i've got so many other uploads. It may not have time to do the rest of them because we have so much more information. So let us get into that now and we'll be right back i Was all dron. And i were sea. Junor module pirate on apollo eleven five four. Three two one zero all engine running We have a laptop thirty two minutes past the hour. Liftoff on apollo eleven tower claire. I believe that this nation should commit itself cheating the goal before this decade is out of landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to the earth no single-spaced project and this period will be more impressive to mankind or more important for the long range expiration of space. And i'm moving so difficult or expensive to accomplish doc. Look everything looks normal when we separated communications problems with earth but then when we got to the point lazing the engine for power decent Over neil said we must be a little long How could he tell that yes. Lines marked on the map and Looking to watch plus we were we. Get your points looking down where we're yard around and that's landing radar correct the knowledge that the computer had exactly what the orbit is. Don't get an app around angles s ban pitch. Y'all plus one. Shortly after that happened we begin to get some program alarms on the twelfth program alarm which is up. Two displays displays to the crew from the computer were free basic there were three registers of a lot of numbers and you had to know what each one of those meant but now they were blank because we had this program and so we asked Houston what the problem is. If we're still go on that after a few minutes they came back and say going. At alarm we continued down but it Tended to distract so little little bit. But we're still good landing trajectory as the lander gets down to about five hundred feet. The commander nobody has ever really maneuver verge and check the response of the landing craft and so all the commanders agreed that five hundred feet they would begin to manually control toward what looked like a reasonable landing spot and everything Stole appeared to be okay. And i could see and and neil also wanted to avoid crater. That was in front of us or when as about a hundred feet. Now looking out the window. Manually controlling. And i'm giving him the numbers of the altitude. The rate decent and the speed over the ground are forward. Keep updating with that information or forward had about a hundred feet. There's a light that comes on. This few will quantity light and by that time. The capsule communicator. Charlie duke says second okay. Hundred feet sixty. We better ease. What i'm saying but i don't want to disturb. Neil say hurry a little further thirty seconds but we're ten feet. I figured when the landing gear is just about to touch their probes down about five six seats and as soon as they hit the ground they will band desert. It's supposed to bend. And that sets a micro switch and the lights light and the cabin. And that's when high said neal was looking out window controlling it. But that's the first indication of actually touching down. And we actually touchdown here. And i call out a few things we need to do Okay downey go then. Golden eagle everyone of rocket going tranquility. We copy on the ground. You got guys about to turn blue. We're breathing again. Thanks a lot so we reached out. And i think the estimate not because somebody put dipstick and fuel to see how much was left but it was calculations and information on board. We've probably had about fifteen seconds Fuel left There's really no place that we could simulate gravity of one. Sixth of what we have here. There really wasn't a great simulation because of that we were scheduled at the bottom of the ladder to just hold on and sort of see it was like under the gravity. Backup at first step Far you went down. I didn't think i could see him through the window. He had no trouble at all. Just moving around So i knew it wasn't going to be trouble freedoms so we proceeded from the planet earth except for on the myron allies. Sixty nine fifty was easy We could. I demonstrated several means near the end of our stay on the surface in front of the tv camera and that was planned appear if we had time and it looked to people back nurse is if i was just having fun but i was really doing something for people to observe. He's a mobility so we went through the cow town and when called team from earth cleared for takeoff head. I was gonna say family now when the lunar module takes off it's about one g but that's six times the gravity so we leave pretty pretty rapidly The i sent engine is fix. So it's it's rather sloppy feeling but it's what's expected nothing more and when the engine off were to on some way when those two americans stepped on the move people of this world we're rock closer together that it is bad. Spirit the spirit of apollo that america can now help to bring to our relations with other nations the spirit of apollo transcends geographical barriers political differences. It can bring the people of the world together in peace now. of course that was the great altar. Yep and we have more from the buzz but this is leading us to very intense points earlier one of the listeners. James made a lot of good points. One of those things that he was discussing was Universal life Extraterrestrials aliens upon the man now before we get into that. We want everybody to understand from what we have researched. There was a four second delay in communication. Okay so that's communication from ideo to video guys. They're supposedly. We didn't connect now along with that. There are two actually. There's also something about video. The video has to be converted. They cannot just be back. Video video has to be converted into smaller pockets and then sent so you're getting like That of Of food actually continuously. Why it when you watch it. It looked shaky Because that's how the video was being returned. Have to change the video. The video remember. We're giving you the facts. were saying. yes we're saying. No we want you to understand that. We're not debunking. One hundred percent that is was the conspiracy that inhabit we. I believe we did go to the moon. We didn't video it. Oh i believe we video with it no no. I believe that we went to the moon. I believe video what actually happened on the moon when we went to the moon. I do not believe that now live. Put that back to america. As what. Because i think Sound that would have been trying to hide. What they already knew was out there sweetheart. We'd already had the all of the ufo sightings that had come afterwards. Well i mean this was not a secret. This was not anything that was quiet and now horrible. Would it be to be doing a live video and show something that wasn't supposed to be seen show something in guy knowing you know. Elian life on the moon or or even worse showing Something happening to one of the astronauts floated often outer space or you know at the Aldrin was you know coming out east. Lifted broke his neck. They didn't want this to be seen. So i do believe they use this producer to produce live live feedback. Voice live and it was a long feed just not at the time. I don't believe that the video came from them in. No the audio did on your definitely from them I believe that they were sending audio back. We've got we got like. Nato back me. But i do not think that live video that was presented. You was the actual video. Exactly now why do we say this. This is leanne issue. A couple of things one thing is we're going to talk about is. Each astronaut was dedicated to its own medical doctor. Well as a medical a medical com on parts each astronaut. Which we still have today. Now i tried to find two fires that i cannot find on the net or i was able to upload. Let me say that one is a two minute. Transit communication between. John glenn and nasa was about a four minute one In this the beginning and this is gonna backup something that i just talking about and the very beginning of this audio that suddenly is missing. Nobody can find was in the very beginning and states. Talk more minutes later. That was not from the command center and now from an astronaut exact So it sounded like somebody would coming second delay and then saying okay. Now talk and now talk as in john glenn would start speaking and buzz four seconds after that. That's when they started speaking. That was an interesting one. I wanna make sure. That was said. Because i wanted to try to find that audio and i couldn't but dr documentaries out there that have this audio. I was just able to get that. So i got when i could from their previous mentioned companies and family so go with it so now on the form part okay so now here we have buzz aldrin Some conspiracy theory say that he unequivocally seeded they he's Alien uso while he was up there. When apollo turned to nasa says and buzz aldrin claim that he was just misunderstood. that's not what he said He did in fact now. They also bring up a few minutes. They bring up a two minute window. Communication was turned off and they said well. This was a communication Disruption right option. It was nothing but but offered admitted that that during that time he didn't that go on his medical channel and stay to command center. I see bright colored orb following the shuttle. No castle cap them. you know. they're basically for its own going with them side by side He then said that this was explained by now. So when he got back to earth that one of the one of the panels that were dislodged from the capsule from the landing capsule With reflecting son. And that's actually what he saw or it was a flare from the sun glare where And that's that's to explain what he saw now to me. These are not reasonable explanation because this is actually moving with the shuttle which is being propelled. Then it's gotta be being propelled by something because in face without propulsion. You flew this way. We all knew that you do not off. It doesn't work that way so that to me didn't make any sense whatsoever. Emotions days emotion and tell it reaches what then if it was unfair. It not have seen like a solid object. It would be a you know a transparent i just. It doesn't neither one of those explanations any sense to me But you know but wanted to keep his reputation impact. You know at the time every time absolutely so that would explain it now. I'm gonna take over. And i'm gonna talk about john glen. There was another two-minute trans where john was speaking to nasa control where he made a statement and i. I don't wanna try to quote. Because i do know when i'm miss worded but i will do the best i can again. You have to find the auto and will be much clearer. But he basically states. They're here. I see them on the ridge. They are watching. Do you copy the crater. Jimmy crater nasa goes roger that he confirms what should we do y- because they weren't sure at this point all right now. Here's another thing that actually respond with this transmission and this is the reason this up because the park where she that i wanna make sure astronaut left the capsule. There was questioned on whether they should now. Napa blame did on some technical difficulties that they experienced during the landing and they wanted to make sure that the astronauts. We're going to be able to get back off the moon now in this vision. It suggests that they were nervous about getting out of the capsule. Not because they were worried about liftoff but because they were worried they were being watched. Something that was on the edge of the crater exactly. They're staying there staying living so what we're gonna do is. We're gonna play our last audio clip of this is buzz aldrin. And speaking about that. Very subject i saw this illuminate. That was moving with respect to the stars. Soon we were smart enough to say houston is a light out there. This following us. So technically it comes unidentified flying all neil and buzzer on the lunar surface camille switch to the medical channel and spoke directly with the chief medical officer. Saying they're here. They're parked on the side of the crater. There watching spotted a lot of stuff that seem to not belong on the move and it has very distinct features of a satellite dishes. The dish itself a crater shape. It's got a long spikes. It appears to come out in the middle all sorts of stuff that looks exactly like a satellite dish on earth looks. There's an interesting picture on the moon that does appear to show something could be a bridge. Maybe a pipe. That'd be an inching worm. Have no doubt that extraterrestrials could very well have populated are made structures on the far side of the moon. The reaction of numerous space defense officials was a theorist honest and it would make sense that governments military agencies might well be quaking in that boots wondering who's built structures where they from. What could i want. There's one objects that reminds people of a cooling tower from a nuclear power plant. Any species could travel through the stars enough to put a based on the moon wouldn't have to leave before they could take care of the other thing that is inside. This leader module looks like a woman and this is the alien that they've recovered from the ship. There was a study done by the brookings institute new early nineteen sixty so before nasa went to the moon. There was sort of this idea that if we were to have any kind of interaction with alien life former intelligence that maybe we shouldn't tell the public because the public might not be able to handle it as the forty fifth anniversary of the apollo eleven mission to the moon dawns. There are many mysteries about man's first. Lunar landing that remain unsolved. What did the astronauts actually encountered Nasa stop going back to the moon after apollo seventeen. Is there evidence of an alien presence on the moon and perhaps all around us Startling photographs recently discovered in nastase official archive by the apollo astronauts themselves The gigantic artificial looking structures they document which have never been shown on television before seem to devise simple scientific explanation. This be a nuclear power plant of some kind a massive satellite dish trained on her Alien fortress took the pictures to some of the brightest people of our world and nobody can say for sure what these structures represent military s. I tell us that if there is an alien based on the move poses a serious threat to humanity tonight. We'll examine all the evidence will attempts to determine if such an alien menace exists Drive me crazy so we wanted to share that clip with you because that was definitely worth a The whole you actually hear someone else to me speaking about what was said and how it is now. The medical the transmission for from the medical channel was actually picked up honors from several Ham ham radio enthusiasts that. Were picking up the conversation and that is how they heard him say they're watching us from the edge of the crater. This is why. I say we did go me. This is why i say yes. Maybe it wasn't on that date who knows i wasn't there i wasn't even born but i can see the point of understanding going. This is conspiracy. This is fake. That also can say 'cause you know. I've been in this on my life. This interest of how this did take place. I just don't think it's the true video of the actual on that. Was there because i do believe with cats that it was modified it was censored and then transmitted back. So do i believe we went to the moon. How can i not i. We have thirteen astronauts that have been four hundred thousand employees and contractors. That worked on it not to mention you've got countries like russia. china australia. Australia all verifying that yes. We did receive the transition directly from the moon. We were able to. We know for a fact it was from them. So why would these countries back is that they hate us. Government look foolish. Don't you think they would. I mean exactly you. We've got look at the possibilities at all directions. That's why i don't wanna say we never did. And i don't wanna say oh. We were definitely there because we found so many loopholes about different things especially when investigations and research and documentaries that they kept tripping over their words. Nba hypocritical there was definitely cover-ups a multiple locations on multiple levels without a shadow of doubt. Why you tell me. I've just going well okay. So four percent of the national budget was going towards the space program. They had a timetable of ten years. At no more they were under some people strange. Exactly you know response. That i i can't even imagine. Now what is it. Important to put a military base on the moon because of one. And the other uso citing the one over the white house or was it a strategic more. Okay we strategically speaking if we would already been moon prior who knows if we if we maybe we had. Here's the other thing. And i'm gonna go back to james and everybody wants to think maybe we had helped with their technology to get to the moon and they did not want us those who are living at to see the living living the aliens which is there a man. I just got her on a halo. We didn't know what to expect when we got there. We had an idea. We had theories we had you know when we think what we did. Not you know. Close up shots noon. We didn't i mean jeez. We're they the sea of tranquility that was named because for a long time. They thought that was water. Exactly exactly because of the shadowing and it's really interesting to me. But that's why. I wanted to talk about it and think about it. You know. think about the time. Line roswell von braun apollo eleven twelve kennedy. Germans were the german ten their own. Ride well before the war where war and they were actually working on things like the the knock bell which was a craft to like about that could lift off the ground without the standard propulsion. Exactly the impediment of reverse engineering a ufo. Now if you're calling you and you wanna come on. Please torch option number one on your phone. The phone number here is one three two three eight seven zero three eight seven seven so see. I did that for a reason. Ladies jomon our special guest has arrived. I would like to introduce you to my brother and here. We are raising government. The brothers adele janney. Welcome to the show. Hey how you doing. My stream ridell lancer by the way spell worth comecon stuff but anyway on a serious note. I like the Say a couple of shout out to the number one. He lon mosque and his great accomplishment and air modern time space travel and on the on the other note is and burner bond bronze member memoirs. He said that there would be a guy named ilan. he will go to mars. So there you go on. That note is i'm gonna make shout out to our colored ladies of the nineteen sixties. Who did the mathematics From right here in. Virginia for the for the The mercury program for the signed program and apollo grants yeah And another keynote You know these ladies you know. They did a movie about him but they still. They did this stuff. On a chalkboard they did of slide rule and a lot of kids today only know what a slide rule is Five or father. You know as kids growing up as you do mathematics on a piece of paper anyway accurate. Too damn point you know I couldn't do moslem occasions very well but my dad was like a calculator. It was crazy but the ratings this on travel before damn. Ibm computers even invented. I mean robert turn would be proud of these people of these of these black ladies from virginia. Your to John hct john overplayed a huge part of this if he didn't Convince von braun Of the winner orbit ron renovate their wand of you rendezvous london vo yes We would never made that right. We wouldn't have had this you will and you'll von braun wanted to create these gigantic walk at the whole able to hold the fuel Nobody this nobody knows about him but he was the one that actually made possible by nineteen. Sixty-nine von bronze plan would never worked by word. And it was this american who stepped up Nobody knew about you. He was a nobody that came a brilliant idea how to get. He wasn't the first one with that idea. No russian that actually came up with that idea like many years how to get the new show I've got some I've got some other points. I like all right The first one was and paulo Capsule that apollo capsule. it's a capsule that purely purely oxygenated environment and those castles and the heating element underneath the sea supposedly. What started the fire. And i agree with what was said earlier in the evening Brand new space castle. Really kinda makes you wonder. And then on nasa train runnin into Inspector's car okay. This is yes. That's why we brought this up because we wanted to basis. We want everybody know the backs like you make deceased. Why tally is as far as i know from what i studied. This was personal observation. Now from what. I've read in some history books and what i've read or heard from the history channel in those cameras. You're talking about that. That frances coppola us correct about this. The same cra- cameras. Today's used and the The sr seventy one blackbird and a youtube spy plane. They been around a little bit so they they may have capital side of world war three with a russian spy close in photography cuban missile crisis. So i i give on my hands. Shout out on that deal for for francis coppola to get a hold of them. That's a little suspicious now. All right so we're gonna get to the biggest part of why people still believe the conspiracy that we never landed on the moon. Yeah let's do. The raw video footage from nasa disappeared. You're gone. They say that they packaged it. Up and they sent it to goddard space center. We produce now. This is thousands of hours of tape. This is thousands of hours. These tapes and tapes and tapes and tapes in aids and urged system was so intricate that people could not tell what was on any of the tapes and in the nineteen seventies with the budget cuts and a lack of magnetic tate. They went to the apollo tape. She raised and reuse review the footage. Now mind you the footage of the astronaut training this footage Everything all of that is still there. But the footage of the actual erased an over regrettable such us stoorikhel at that and humid mandy history. Superior you can write allah filing cabinet. That happened. I don't care how intricate there's their system is. I can't imagine that somebody winning a you know a group of these tapes and it just happened to be building tapes that that just doesn't make any sense that all look we we've got everything else and oh look this landing what issues that and you know racer. We'll have erasing recording over. Who would not do that. Unless all the less the water was given majestic twelve. I mean the next generation. The next joe Majestic twelve here. The hell is one of the reasons we can. Theories still exists is because of the vanishing take a does not have a credible answer for this issue mental thing. We have done. This is filed way. Wish now this is what they did. Of course come around and said oh we re this controversy. So i they said oh use them and reuse. The bill. Second thing. That came out of their mouth was this. We have lost a film and we don't know where it went. It's gone it's just gone now. It's gone it's gone. So what is it is it. Did you use the or did you lose it. would you do. And i'm going to believe that. The raw footage did not match this. What is that was Obviously giving the public during the live and they can never allow that footage to be found. They can't know until we have a universal intake place even then let them out because they move at all. No the government's liars we already. They're alive say you have to be a liar to be politician of our but it just as bad so here we are. We're looking at the bigger picture. We're looking at the film footage. We're looking at the producer of major phil. She's thousand one a space odyssey. That had the special wins. We had an ethics specialist. Master affects specialist. Actually explain to you how they created the scenes in two thousand one now with over. We have missing audio and missing video. Okay wait a second. I don't understand something how is it. Yeah over hundreds of people heard. Neil armstrong go. Oh they're watching us. The government got. That's that was nothing. That was a miscommunication ham. Radio people heard this and they go That was a miscommunication. How does that happen. How do you tell. that's that's funny. How you said ham operators because ham operators throughout the world at verb everything from the beginning air face program until nineteen sixty nine very closely so they know in these people are. there are set up in backyards. The family it was on a family of that. Listen all ham operator listener everything. How do you wish that. And if you don't think that's possible well guess what. Russia had their own people that were listening into their space missions and reporting them. we're choosing to talion. Yep absolutely so if you think that. That's not possible. Guess what it is and it was happening the russia just like it was happening. Noth- child we have an understanding that there was possibly two or more cosmonauts all students say oh wish i could do it but if it's been wrong so now here's my last point i'm gonna make tonight. It's tennessee today. The show and this is what i'm say and it's something you and i have talked about on a constant basis and i see kim. How is it that. Suddenly we have technology then to get the video feed to earth but now we can't wear that technology go. Did we have the technology in general. This is something everybody wants to forget about. They wanna talk about where the disposal technology to have a live feed from the moon to the earth where to go. They said these smoothly lost that technology. Things make you Kimberly says how about was this generation night vision goggles removed from. Us army and marine trials. anderson woke up some people You know revival us out there. That are listening. Probably listening to share. And they wanted to say in question. I can't talk about it right now. but that is a great question. Kimberly that's a great question and At this point. I don't think i want to try to go there right now. I don't know for me. I mean i have what i heard but i don't really have any actual facts details that i really can't get off the topic of what we're discussing but i can see where she's going with this but it right now we're trying to stick to the program. You know the apollo program the government Now we are going to add a little something here. We're gonna step outside. 'cause i wanted to do something i wanted to go. Look and getting. you'll probably go I wanna look at the deaths related to the apollo mission from its beginning all seventy two robert kennedy his brother marilyn monroe lord. Here we go. We're going down the rabbit hall last series going there. 'cause they intrigued me because i wanted to see a connection was their connection and knock go but so far but i'm gonna say yet a president who was going to release information about space or wanted to. We had his brother who was about to do the same thing. We had someone who's connected to both of them. They all three died gino. Someone confided into exactly. We had the tech engineer who went front from congress no longer. Here's here's a misconception. Marilyn monroe was not a dixie blonde. She was actually a very intelligent one every. Yeah that's the misconception. Yes very very very end to electoral lady. He you play blonde. Thanks so she can make money. Yeah well look at betty white. She did the same thing anyway. She's the hey. How frame madonna. Madonna is like the. I mean quintessential moneymaker lady gaga. A lot of people think she's a flake she's smart as well. This is true and this is. These are examples of intelligent women that do a necessary thing that they feel they need to do. I was just. I was just wanting to put out there that you know merrily monroe. You know people that are saying well. She was just some ditsy blonde. That was around. He was an accountant You know what what could she have offered. Well you know these two men confided in her and she was actually very intelligent so you would imagine that she was able to take pieces that both of them had and put them together so she probably had a bigger picture than either one of them had individually exact out. Now one thing one thing did happen to and i think president kennedy and robert kennedy and And bella monroe. They brought in another person at the time. Because i'm go there again And i think they let. I think they let martin luther king no and i think that's one of the reasons why he was wack is because he knew he knew the truth and he was gonna tell the folks it didn't matter who they were black or white and then you know they whack him off and then anybody that had any kind of civil unrest at the time. Suppose it you lost giants job jimmy morrison and then jimi hendrix all around som- saying timeframe but later a little bit later. I don't know about all that. I i really don't follow closely. Well i mean civil unrest you had jimi hendrix was an airborne. He was a vietnam vet and you had draft draft when she blew up grew up. Believe it or not and the christian south shore start saying christmas music purves right and then Jim morrison he. He was a little different. I have to admit that but civil unrest that that was what was they. They were taken a country. And you know more than russian. But i mean more open society. And that's where my point. Bob trying to make about that. That's what this whole racism thing is really about. It's about keeping divided not united baseball. All right so many move. Landing tapes are with the bullet. That killed kennedy saying no with kennedy's brain stock date. You know we could go into that. But i'm not that it's funny. How why somebody would steal brain. Just go going there. My guess so we're down at the last four minutes so kiddie let us ask you. What did you feel about the apollo eleven mission. Did we go there. We actually filming. What what are your opinions. How do you feel. I believe in conversation with arafat some of our family members because she's a skeptic and so so very much her husband Very very skeptical person. At the time frame we were put under and in my opinion i think we went but i don't think we went on july the twentieth which is also the longest day of the year. If correct me. If i'm wrong about as twenty four twenty first the longest day of the year twentieth. Yes it is believed under the timeframe that stay launched Think i don't think that we wanted to later job. They had to get the stuff out to the public. Who you're right. Well hold on july twenty iranian twentieth. This is the summer solstice of june twentieth. Okay correct couldn't. It's okay for knocking. Understand your tom frame it something. I've talked about if they were pushed. That's why i feel that this is video. This of the moon landing such was faith. They were rushed. They had to put out a product. If you're in business audio radio you have to produce to have your listeners. And they've proven documentation that there were issues and and that they were cutting corners and that they were they were prioritizing safety and they weren't even play prioritizing well it actually regarding liking eighty six and nineteen eighty six. I watched them do it again on tv. And because they push the mission we lost michael teacher and a lot of very experienced astronauts because they did not put safety first day what they want that are very messed up weather condition one and they didn't take care of the ring. Seal the wanna say. But i think there were other issues long that launch also. They were put under the gun giving like listening party. Hefetz retested i. I just don't understand or dri and unfold. So we're down to the last minute and a half. Wow thank you for on tonight. You're really appreciated to on your also. Thanks got and trump. Wasn't those lying. Thank you so much for being a part of this season Right here on the rip radio august network and watch. We may have a follow up to this. We're gonna have a lot of great shows this week. Watch other premiers coming out. for crimes evenings with mary Crossroads radio across Yeah it is just sort of crazy. And of course what's shows on friday that starts. He's on his birthday. Takes the emporiums up here in them. So don't miss your shows check out this week. Check out the best on the next day. We'll see you next sunday right here on the radio. Talk show host folks. I even late and you are giving you information that maybe you didn't have before. And maybe you can make more of an educated decisions on whether or not. We went to the moon on july twentieth. Nineteen sixty-nine absolutely beaver to be yours. Good i suppose.

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The Space Race & The Dangerous Early Days Of NASA

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The Space Race & The Dangerous Early Days Of NASA

"This message comes from npr sponsor. Weisan a one. To one tutoring alternative to online classes offering live online personalized lessons in more than three hundred subjects head to w wnyc y z. A. n. t. dot com because it wise aunt. We take learning. Personally this is fresh air. I'm dave davies in today for terry gross if you'd happen to be in. New york's grand central station on the morning february twentieth. Nineteen sixty two. You've seen ten thousand people standing in the concourse staring up at a large television screen. They were awaiting the launch of the united states first mission to put an astronaut in orbit around the earth our guest historian. Jeff chessel says. The crowd was huge and the tension was palpable. Because they was real. Fear that colonel. John glenn wouldn't survive the day. Americans had become used to seeing their countries. Rockets blow up on the launch pad in a new book chessel recalls the early days of the space program when the soviet union was ahead in the race to explore the heavens in their dominance in the field seemed to take on a grim inevitability. The book describes the sometime shaky improvised tech. The american space program employed and the experience of the seven men chosen to be the first astronauts. They were military test pilots. Who were embraced. As the nation's champions in the cold war but as sheffield describes they were decidedly human engaging and personal conduct that could sell the programs image of public and locked in intense rivalry with each other to man key missions into space. Jeff chessel is a historian and former speechwriter for president bill clinton. He's written two previous books that were selected as new york times notable books of the year his latest is mercury rising john glenn john kennedy and the new battleground of the cold war will jeff chessel welcome back to fresh air. Thanks dave thanks for having me. You know there aren't many subjects quite as heavily chronicled as the us space program especially since we had the fiftieth anniversary of the moon landing recently. What convinced you that there was an original story to tell here. Well i read a lot of those space books. I've enjoyed many of them. But i always felt that something was missing. It's widely understood that this was as you said a cold war contest. It hasn't escaped. Anybody's noticed that the soviets were trying to get there before we did and in fact did actually managed to send a human being into space before we did but when you read most of the books about space about astronauts the cold war is sort of background it's kind of atmosphere and when you read books about the cold war. They're mostly concerned with berlin in cuba and all of the other kind of hot zones of the cold war and it seemed to me that the importance of the space race as people understood it at the time people including by the way the president of the united states john f kennedy that this was a cold war contest. That wasn't just symbolic. It was an existential struggle and it was one that america's seemed to be losing. Jfk had said during the campaign in nineteen sixty that if the soviets control space they control earth those are the stakes as people understood at the time and that i felt was missing for most of the accounts that i was reading. You know. it's interesting because given the perspective now when we know that the soviet system one party state in planned economy would collapse. In a couple of decades. The outcome seems preordained. It didn't feel like that at the time at all. Did it know it felt. Actually that the soviets might be honda something that in fact communism might indeed be as they said. It was the the wave of the future. The world was watching this contest. America's allies were watching soviet russians themselves. Were watching and the so called undecided nations of the world. We're watching these were mostly developing countries. That were coming out of colonialism and many of them were said to be deciding which system they were going to follow where they're going to become democracies or were they going to essentially sign up With with the communists and the cold war and one of the things that they were watching to see which system better provided for their people in the future which system offered more in terms of science technology and economic advancement what was happening in space was seen as the great indicator of the future and america was losing that fight. Right and the soviets launched sputnik a. Little satellite august nineteen fifty seven and then a second one and eventually launched a dog into space. What was happening with the us efforts around this time in the late fifties the us efforts were were sputtering in the late nineteen fifties. There had not been a really meaningful commitment on the part of the united states. To into space there was a. There was a program pre nasa. There were attempts by all military branches to get something or other up into space satellites of one kind or another eisenhower. Had kind of reluctantly signed on to all of this but he thought largely it was. It was silly and a waste of money. He never really had any interest in space exploration. He thought it was his science adviser. Said it was buck. Rogers stuff kids stuff. Eisenhower was interested in one thing in space and really one thing alone and that was spy satellites. He thought that actually having spy satellites in orbit could protect the united states against a surprise nuclear attacked by the soviet union. Other than that again he thought it was a waste of time and money. And that fact. Really hamstrung the american program before it ever really got going. And it was really the soviets who forced eisenhower's hand by sending sputnik into space as you said in nineteen fifty seven and then they again forced john. Kennedy's hand in nineteen sixty one by sending eureka gar into war but right and so in the late fifties while these soviet rockets were boosting satellites into the heavens. The united states was launching rockets. What was happening to them. The united states was doing a perfectly good job in fact an excellent job at developing weapon systems and developing missiles that could carry nuclear payloads. The united states was not doing a particularly good job in developing that could carry satellites into orbit or carry other kinds of payloads. You in the future a human payload into orbit and so there was a long sorry history of these rockets horrifically exploding on the launch pad. Or or you know going up. And then coming down into the sea or firing their payload some kind of scientific satellite or other into the into the atlantic and so it was not an impressive performance by the united states and the program was perpetually starved of money of resources and of scientific talent. You know it's interesting if you have a scientific failure in a lab even a very consequential one it's a story but maybe not a huge story A rocket exploding on the launch pad is a pretty visual impactful story. That really made a difference. Didn't it really did make a difference. It was a very powerful site. It wound up in newsreels that were seen around the world. The united states being what it is being democracy Having freedom of the press and the freedom of international press to come over here and Visit cape canaveral and watch one of these things blow up. The world knew about all of the failures of the american program while the soviets were allowed to fail in secret the secrecy of the soviet program was one of the things that allowed it to feel invulnerable because no one knew when their rockets blew up and the rockets did sometimes blow up in fact they lost one of their cosmonauts early on in an absolutely horrific accident. That was uncovered. Only many many years later the soviet program appeared invincible. Because all we ever saw where the successes right they wouldn't even announce anything until it it. It had succeeded if it failed. It never happened. Exactly what are the american public. Think of our chances to succeed. How did all of this affect their view of our leadership in technology. We think of the nineteen fifties. Has we either remember it. Or as we see in the movies as being a kind of glorious era of growing middle class and a very colorful consumer culture and a booming economy but there was a real sense of of unease in the united states in those years and not just because of the nuclear threat that that hung over everything else but there was a sense in the postwar period and particularly after sputnik that america had lost. Its edge that it had lost the boldness. It had shown during world war two that it had lost its energy at sense of initiative and john kennedy ran in nineteen sixty with the purpose of changing all of that to give america shot in the arm and all of these ways. There was a sense that america had forsaken the truly important things in favor of this consumer culture there was a lot of self-flagellation in the country about conformity about a lack of imagination and about valuing things like color. Tv above everything else and large colorful cars. This was also the The days when both nations were arming themselves with nuclear weapons and there was a lot of talk about the role spaceflight might play in military operations. Some of it perhaps fanciful some of it real. What would the real stakes in terms of the military advantages of space. Nobody was really sure. What the military advantages would be. But the armed services here in the united states were pretty convinced that there would be advantages. There was a lot of heated anxious discussion beginning in the mid and late. Nineteen fifty s and increasing as kennedy came into office that the soviets were planning to build a space platform that would sit in orbit. Just above the united states sort of damocles and ready to rain down nuclear missiles on the united states at the slightest provocation that we would be living forever in a state of nuclear blackmail or and this sounds incredibly fanciful. But it was something. That was widely accepted by experts as inevitable that the soviets would build a nuclear base on the moon. Now why would you build a nuclear base on the moon when you've got perfectly good nuclear basis across siberia and wherever else. Well the idea was that building in on the moon would take it outside. The range of us defenses and that we couldn't destroy it and so at any point they could push a button and it would fire a missile from the moon to spot in the united states. This was a very real fear and the feeling on the part of the military. Was that if we didn't begin to build our arsenal in space the soviets were certainly going to beat us to it. Well the moon is one hundred forty thousand miles away. It didn't matter how many experts said that this was impossible. The soviets were so incredibly able to do amazing things in space that no one had thought possible that there was simply a willingness to believe on the part of many americans and policymakers and even many in the white house that the soviets could simply do whatever it was that they set their minds to doing so once the united states decided it would send humans into space. The question arose. Who would be going. A new word was invented astronauts. Seven were chosen. How are they selected. They were selected in an incredibly and sometimes hilariously rigorous process. They were subjected to the most extreme sorts of tests of physical and psychological that any group of americans are maybe any group of people had been subjected to certainly in the name of of scientific pursuit they were drawn all of them From the military. They had all been test pilots. Eisenhower fell that drawing them from the military in the ranks of of the military test. Pilots would not only give you a pool of extremely well. Talented people who had been in high-performance aircraft at high altitude. But also they they could be expected to operate with with secrecy and there was going to be a high premium of secrecy on this program. Not just during the selection process but of course as it played out over time so this was a pool of people that had the skills and pull people that they believe that they could trust. John glenn is a focus of this book. He was one of the seven. And you have this. Very compelling description of the first time the seven met with reporters who were very interested and how that encounter kind of captured the difference between john glenn in the others you want to share that with us absolutely so the astronauts were announced to the nation into the world at the beginning of april nineteen fifty nine and the selection process again had been secret and their identities had been withheld until this very moment. There was no press. Release that the told anybody who these guys were. They simply walked out on the stage at nasa headquarters on across from the white house where it was at the time and they were introduced to the world one of them and only one of them was already known to the world. And that was john. Glenn john glenn had become famous in nineteen fifty seven as a test pilot. He was also a highly decorated the most highly decorated among the astronauts combat pilot but he had become famous as a test pilot nineteen fifty seven when he flew crusader jet across the united states from la to new york and set a speed record three hours twenty three minutes and he was much celebrated he wound up on the front page of just about every Newspaper in the united states and he wound up getting invited to appear on name that tune of popular tv program. He was on for weeks. He was a star. And so when you walk into that room someone. The reporters knew none of the rest of the astronauts had been known to the public. They were all superstars in their own right as pilots but they had never come to the attention of the publican. And i don't think any of them had ever been in front of a tv camera or a microphone at that point. So glenn had a comfort level with the the. The spotlights with microphones that none of the rest dead and he also had a set of skills that none of the rest of them did and it was all immediately apparent in that room in those first moments how was in apparent. It was apparent because glenn was completely at ease he was charming. He was he was relaxed. He was funny. He was patriotic. He was openly comfortably religious. He was happy to talk about his family life e he was able to hit every note on the register over the course of that that press conference and the others sat there comfortably not particularly eager to answer any questions that had anything to do with anything other than than flying planes. They were tongue-tied and they were tied at seemed as they watched john glenn and they thought i can't do that and i don't wanna do that. And this was a hugely important moment in the space program this press conference not just because it confirmed glenn's stardom but also because it began a an uncomfortable dynamic among the astronauts and sense of resentment years later in their memoirs and over the course of the years in between all of the other astronauts would talk about that press conference and what john glenn had done if he had done something wrong by being so comfortable in front of the cameras. The pretty boy. We're the real fighter jackson. He's out there. Preening for cameras will exactly but what was what was complicated about that narrative and that was the narrative was that he was a more decorated combat pilot than any of them and in fact some of them had been in combat at all. Alan shepherd had never been in combat. That was a real sore spot for him so there were a lot of jealousies. Manifesting themselves Toward glen immediately and it wasn't just his charisma and his comfort level but he actually had proven already and proven to the country that he had the goods and so they had no knock on him in that area either and the stories of him as a fighter pilot both in world war. Two in korea are really amazing. There was the occasion in korea. When glenn was on a mission and another pilot down and he took some remarkable steps. Tell us about that glennon. His commanding officer flying low over the yellow river which is on the border of china north korea. When his commanding officers plane was hit. And and the co had to bail out glenn watched as parachute sink down into the trees. Glenn circled for a while. He was hoping that rescue helicopters would would come and he would mark the spot effectively by circling. But they didn't come but the interesting thing. The impressive thing glenn continued to circle even after his fuel was so low that he wouldn't be able to make it back to base. He did this on purpose. He had a plan and his plan. Which fulfilled was two rocket that plane up to forty thousand feet and then when the engine cut out as he expected it would. He glided all the way back across the entire span of north korea to his base in south korea. It was very risky thing to do. He succeeded in doing it and the second that he landed. He hopped out. He got into another plane and flew back to look for his commanding officer. Didn't find him. As granting officer wind up becoming a pow and released at the end of the war these seven astronauts got to know each other very well and there was certainly camaraderie but you also write an intense rivalry because they knew somebody was going to get to go up in the first mission and they all wanted to be that person. They were competitive people. They're also came to be a division over personal conduct right. I mean most of these guys were married and they were kind of celebrities and were engaging in conduct which you know was outside the marriage. Vows and john glenn did not along with another one of them scott carpenter so they were sort of division those two between the other five who liked the night life more and this really came to a head on a west coast trip. They did to san diego. Tell us what happened. Yeah the astronauts Traveled around the west coast visiting defense contractors who were building the rockets and visiting local officials doing media appearances and so forth and at night. They did what they did on these trips. They kind of enjoyed the nightlife and they went to jazz bars and they stayed out late and so forth and some of them also were up to other things and what happened. Was that alan shepherd ahead of been in tijuana gone across the the border and had spent some time at a bar with a woman who is not his wife and a photographer and a reporter had been following him and they captured what was going on and they were prepared to to go to print with it but john glenn got word of this and he made a series of calls to everybody involved at the newspaper and kind of gave them a patriotic scolding and said that the nation was in competition with godless communists and if they ran the story about al shepherd that they were going to jeopardize the entire space program. Was it really worth it. And what were they willing to to deal that kind of blow to the to the united states of america on that basis. They decided not to run the story. But the story for the astronauts wasn't over in fact the next morning glenn summoned the other six astronauts and he's scold in the mall. He told them that he had been saying this for months that their personal behavior as they called it wasn't personal behavior. They were public figures. They were role models and if they got caught wasn't just a matter between them and their wives. It was going to be stories in the newspaper and it was going to cost the entire program. And they didn't appreciate hearing this from glenn They didn't accept that they needed to change their behavior. And it was another source of of resentment Between glenn and the rest of the astronauts for a long time. We need to take another break. Here let me reintroduce you. We are speaking with historian. Jeff chessel his new book is mercury. Rising john glenn john kennedy and the new battleground of the cold war. He'll be back to talk more about the early days of the space program after this short break i'm davidson. This is fresh air. This message comes from. npr sponsor. 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Why were these those first. Two space shots considered less significant. They were considered less significant. In retrospect but not at not at the time all the astronauts wanted to go first and yes there was an understanding that the orbital flight one of them finally got an orbital flight that that would be the big one that's how they referred to it but these i flights which were sub orbital meaning essentially the spacecraft went up and the spacecraft fell down fifteen minutes from start to finish. That's all shepherds flight was. That's all that grissom's flight was and yet they did enter space. The did briefly become weightless. And you know. They had a shot until the soviets beat them to it of becoming the first human being in space going down in history as a result so they were competing fiercely for those first slots but as it emerged. The the soviets beat the americans to space with an orbital flight. the soviets didn't even bother with a sub orbital flight so there was a sense with the shepherd flight and the grissom flight that we were playing catch up and not catching up that there was something a little bit embarrassing ashley about these flights that eureka garnered gone all the way around the world and all we could do is go up and fall down. In fact kia khrushchev gleefully pointed this out at a press conference and said all the american astronauts do they jump up and they splashed down into the ocean and so there was a sense of failure that that hung over the program because the united states had been unable to get an orbital flight in the air so that slot fell to john glenn that mission therefore became increasingly important because it was seen as the only way the americans could have a credible program was to finally get a man into orbit so john glenn was going to be the astronaut in the first orbital flight and to get a you know the spacecraft into orbit the capsule into it required more thrust than the earlier rockets had they had the use. The different ragas the atlas rocket You know they had many many times that the launch was scrubbed sometimes because of bad weather at the launch cider at the intended landing site but there were also so many times that little things would go wrong. A transistor would fail in fact on the day of the launch itself. I think you know the little clap holding. John glenn's microphone broke. They had to get another helmet A bolt on the the cabin door broke. Gosh i mean. It just didn't seem like there was a whole lot of confidence in all of this. Was there there was not a whole lot of confidence. Even within nasa there was not a whole lot of confidence. These little things went wrong all the time. When you think about the number of components in a space capsule in giant rocket like that the number of things that can go wrong at any given moment a number of things that could go wrong and kill the astronaut by one means or another whether it was the rockets blowing up on the way up or whether it was the spacecraft leaking or getting stuck in orbit there were an endless number of things that could go wrong. These little things i mean. It sounds funny this little clip that you mentioned John glenn's microphone. That was a deal breaker if they couldn't fix that. And as you said they found another helmet thankfully at the last minute sitting in the van down at the bottom of the gantry. There was an extra helmet they they raced down and brought it up. If they couldn't fix that they couldn't send them to space because otherwise he couldn't communicate with mission control. You can't send a person in space and not allow them to communicate with mission control so all of these things seemed to heighten the sense of danger and make. It seem increasingly possible over months and months of problems and delays. The glenn was never going to get into it and that if he did actually finally lift off from the pad that something terrible was was going to happen and the risks. Were so serious. That john glenn actually carefully considered what he would say to. His family didn't he. Did you know john clan understood that his job was to appear calm to appear confident and he played that role very successfully but in his private moments. There were cracks in in in that in that facade and he really began to reckon as one delay followed another he really began to reckon with the fact that he might actually become the first man to die in space he might become a cold war casualty and he began to prepare his family for that. He sat there in isolation down in the hangar in cape canaveral and he wrote a long letter to his children that he wanted them to read whether or not he he came back safely and as he sat and thought about it again later he felt that he hadn't said everything he wanted to say so he wrote himself script. And i found this In his files In columbus ohio state and it had never been published before It was a long script for recording made for his kids to be played in. Casey didn't make it back alive. It begins. It's very chilling reading. He says if you hear this. I've been killed. I made peace with god a long time ago before this happened. I didn't always live. Like i had this confidence but i kept trying. And he talks about the importance of his mission. He explains why the sacrifice of his own life was was worthwhile. He talks to his kids about how he wants them to behave at the funeral at a at arlington and even tells them that he's going to send them assigned from the afterlife. Very believed in an afterlife and he told them that they should go outside at arlington After the ceremony and they should look at the highest branch on the tree and went and waved at them that the that was him. It's incredibly poignant. Reading and he then made the recording one of the last things that glenn said to his wife anne from the capsule on top of the rocket before he launched was. Did you get the tapes hidden one for his kids and he had made one franny well and do we know if they ever listened to them. I talked to both of his children about it. And they were unaware of its existence so launch is perfect the atlas rises into the sky and rolls over and takes glenn into orbit where he's going to take three turns around the earth the orbital flight didn't go without a hitch and a very serious concern arose at mission control during the flight. You wanna just explain what this was. That's right clinton did have a perfect launch. And in fact he had a pretty perfect. I orbit and everything seemed to be going very well. Everybody was in good. Cheer glenn sounded elated. He was and then at the end of the first orbit again. He was scheduled for three orbits before he was supposed to come back to earth at the end of the first orbit. Two things went wrong. Was that the automatic control system. Essentially kicked out. It was malfunctioning and the spacecraft began to to drift to the right like car. Wheels or or out of alignment and so the thrusters would automatically kick in to correct it and then it would drift again and then the thrusters would kick in again. This went on and forth wasting lots of fuel so glenn had to shut off the autopilot and take over the manual controls which wasn't supposed to happen. Although on a certain love glenn. Wasn't that disappointed about it. Because he was a pilot and the pilots always wanted to fly these things and always been told by nasa officials that it was not their role to fly these things but essentially operate as as active passengers. Not as pilots. So glenn fluids on capsule and that was basically just fine with glenn we should say. This was attention throughout the space program. Where a lot of the the engineer said. We don't want pilots messing things up. We want to just put them in the can guide the whole thing and bring him back whereas pilots. These were you know. They had flown high-performance aircraft. They wanted to control it right. Pilots always want to control what they're flying. It's very natural thing. And they're trained to it and those are there skills and they want to use their skills. They didn't sign up simply be passengers but there was a contradiction at the core of the space program. Which is that. Nasa recruited and then found these incredibly skilled test pilots military pilots. He did in effect tell them that they weren't supposed to touch anything. Essentially i mean there were buttons for them depressing. There were checks for them to do but they were not actually intended to fly these capsules at all and didn't take no for an answer and so that's set up a continual tension between the nasa administrator and official senior officials on the one hand and on the other hand the astronauts who continually pressed throughout the program to take a greater and greater role in controlling their own capsules. There are some who advocated that the astronauts be sedated right so he wouldn't mess things up. That was a serious proposal. At one point that the best way to get the astronauts to keep their mitts off the controls was to actually shoot them with some kind of set up so they didn't do anything in which case you might as well just continue to send chimpanzees up into space. Even the chimpanzees got to push. Somebody's we're gonna take another break here. Let me reintroduce you. We are speaking with historian jeff chessel. His new book is mercury rising. John glenn john kennedy and the new battleground of the cold war will continue our conversation after this break. This is fresh air this message comes from. Npr sponsor tele doc tele doc offers access to licensed therapists by phone or video to help those dealing with stress anxiety personal or family issues. Tele doc is committed to quality confidential therapy from the comfort of your home available seven days a week matching members to therapists consular's and psychiatrists tele doc. Therapy is available through most insurance or employers and individual plants are also available download the app or visit tele doc dot com slash. Fresh air to get started today so during glenn's flight a really serious issue came up at least as far as mission control was concerned. What did they observe. What did they think was happening. I think many of us have seen either pictures or seeing movies with those big consoles and emission control all the little blinking lights well. Some of those lights are not supposed to blink and there was one flight controller his job it was to watch a series of lights in one on at the end of glenn's first orbit and that light indicated that glenn's heat shield had deployed and. What did that mean that meant that. Actually the heat shield had started to separate just a little bit from the rest of the capsule which is something that it was supposed to do just before splashdown to cushion the blow but it was not supposed to happen in space if that happened in space and even the tiniest little gap was opened up between the capsule and the heat shield then when glenn came back through the atmosphere three thousand degree heat the capsule would be incinerated and seconds and glen would never make it back so this was potentially a disastrous problem and that began a very intense debate emission control over whether this signal was actually correct and one way to check it was to ask glenn what he was observing and nobody wanted to ask glenn for at least the the folks and charged in one ask lan because they were worried that he would panic so they began to sort of feel their way around the issue and ask him set of indirect questions. It didn't make any sense at one point. They said hey by the way. Do you hear any thinking noises. Which is which is not something you want to be asked when you're more than one hundred miles above the surface of the earth. You hear being no but they don't explain why they're asking and this is the way it proceeds for the next two orbits while they desperately debate whether there is any way if the signal is right. Is there any way to save. John glenn's life and in the end. What they do is there's a schizo little technical but there's a pack of retro rockets on the front of the heat shield which have some clamps that might hold it on normally. That would be jettison. But they decide to tell glenn to go ahead and reenter the atmosphere with the retro. Pack on their without telling glen. Were afraid your heat shield might be damaged and he plunges through the atmosphere right and for a few minutes they don't hear from them. That's expected what happens. We'll by this point. Glenn has started to figure out that something's wrong. Something's going on with the heat shield even though they won't tell him and when they do say look John we want you to come back with that. Retro pack attached he says what is the reason for this Is there a reason for this. And they say not at this time. They're not even prepared in this moment to tell him why they're asking him to do this but he knows this capsule and he said something up so he does as he's told any leaves at attached but as he comes through the the atmosphere And the intense heat of it and the the capsule is engulfed as it's supposed to be in this huge fireball. The retro pack is begins to melt and catch fire and come apart and pieces of it are banging against the capsule. And and glenn sure in those moments whether it's the retro pack that's melting or the heat shield. I mean he he is waiting. He said later. He's waiting for the heat against his back because he knows that the ways position. That's the first place that he's going to feel. The heat does against his back. But of course we know The ending of the story that he does make it back safely. The signal that they had seen that flashing light was incorrect. And so glenn was never really in jeopardy but there was no way to know until he got back safely and he splashes down right where he's supposed to splashdown and in the In the atlantic and He is picked up and and taken to taken to The carrier and He is Proclaimed in fact the hero and of course there were other Mercury flights the there were the gemini flights to astronauts they were spacewalks. eventually the apollo missions to the moon did nasa get better. Technically did there. There were there fewer of these glitches. I mean obviously. There were some horrific occasions you know. There was an accident which astronauts were burned and killed on the ground. there was the apollo thirteen mishap on the way to the moon. But did nasa get better. Well nasa got better in certain respects but those those were meaningful problems the ones that you just described and of course those three astronauts lost their lives including one of the mercury astronauts. Gus grissom in the apollo one fire and the sense with nasa was that it had actually been so successful to that point that it had gotten sort of complacent and that it had hit it lost. Its sense the sense that it that it had early in the mercury program that had lost its sense of the profound danger of what it was that they were trying to do. Even in training even on the launch pad and so it was really after the apollo one fire that you start to see meaningful change At nasa but of course apollo thirteen Comes later in this story. And in nineteen seventy and and so there would continue to be problems all although aside from the the important exception of of the apollo one fire none of the apollo astronauts lost their lives in the course of duty as i read the story. I mean one of the question. That arises to me is whether the us space program would really have gotten moving if the united states hadn't been locked in this intense cold war rivalry with the soviet union which made space exploration in such a critical symbol of national prestige. What do you think. I think that it was the cold war that that gave the space program its purpose its mission and its energy and drive that absent that there was not a consensus in the country among politicians or even within the scientific community that human spaceflight was all that important that it was possibly worth the national effort or the national expenditure. That's not to say that it wouldn't have happened eventually but really the reason that had happened when it happened. The reason that the nation was able to apply all of its energies and skill after a certain point to this mission of getting a series of men into space and ultimately onto the moon that it was the cold war competition which then abc somewhat by the late nineteen sixties but at that point the program had what they call in in the business escape velocity that it had actually built up sufficient momentum to to slip the the bonds of earth and We were going to the moon. By that point that commitment had been made and was was well underway. Well jeff chessel. Thank you so much for speaking with us. Thank you dave jeff. Shells new book is mercury rising. John glenn john kennedy and the new battleground of the cold war coming up critic. David and cooley says a new disney plus tv series based on a marvel comics. Character is fun to watch whether you like superheroes or not. This is fresh air. This message comes from. 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Episode 278: Jeff Shesol on Mercury Rising

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Episode 278: Jeff Shesol on Mercury Rising

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Quarter the new space race for space hers. The advances we've seen with space traveling technology in my lifetime or actually stunning. And i wanted to go back and look at a time when the space race between the united states and soviet union and the mercury seven were the famous astronaut including john glenn who were going to put the united states in history books. That's why i'm really pleased to welcome. I guess jeff chessel. He's a historian author and former presidential speechwriter for bill clinton and. He's here to talk about his recent book. Mercury rising john glenn john kennedy and a new battleground of the cold war. Let me start by printing youth to the present. What's your reaction to this. Summer's sort of combined. Alon moss richard branson. Jeff visas extravaganza extravaganzas. A good word for it. will i mr speaker. I just wanna thank you so much for having me on the program and we share an interest in these subjects. It is an incredible thing that we're witnessing it was really something else to see richard branson and the rest of his passengers and the pilot doing flips in zero gravity and soon to be followed. We know by. Jeff bezos and it really does feel like we were entering that new era of space tourism that it is now credible it will someday become relatively affordable. I don't imagine that. Ordinary americans are gonna get this opportunity down the line but certainly more and more folks who are not test pilots are gonna get this chance and it really does feel like a new era of choice given your background is a historian. Speechwriter what drew you to write about. John glen john kennedy. I really wanted to understand. Why glenn's flight was so significant. I was born in one thousand nine sixty nine just right after the landing of of apollo eleven so i missed the peak of the space race but i certainly grew up at a time when we knew the john glenn was an american hero and we knew that he had done something incredible he had become the first american to orbit the earth and yet later as i studied that period i wanted to understand a little better why that particular flight seemed to loom so much larger than really just about anything other than the moon landings and it became clear to me that we had over the years kind of separated two timelines. The space race happened over here and it has its own time line and the cold war over there. And the high point sur. La of course of the cold war cuba in berlin and southeast asia. And the rest of it but of course as it was experienced and understood at the time these were all part of the same frame. These were all part of the same conflict. Then that was certainly how john kennedy perceived them and it was a how americans and really people across the free world understood it at the time. And i think when you look at it in that light you start to understand why glenn's flight was so significant given when it happened and why it happened. Do real research viewing his children going through his archives his own personal handwritten notes now as a sometimes historian. I have great appreciation for people willing to slow down and actually allow history to surround them and educated was a different than you thought it would be. That's a great way of putting it by the way to slow down and let history around. That is really what you try to do. When you're covering the sort of subject is you want to try to as best you can from a distance of decades to imagine how it felt to understand what they understood at the time stripping away what we now know as best you can and i did emerge with a somewhat different sense of john glenn. I still think of him. I'll put my cards on the table. As a remarkable american who did a remarkable thing or a remarkable series of things. But i always felt in reading the right stuff. Which is a terrific book. And watching the movie. Which i love that. The character of glenn was a little two-dimensional that he was a boy scout. He was a sunday schoolteacher and he was those things i mean. That was authentically. Who john glenn was but it seemed to me that there had to be more to this guy for him to achieve what he achieved. In fact there really was and it comes through in the archives in his diaries from world war two and his letters home from the korean war as a fighter pilot in both of those conflicts his notes on flight plans from the period when he was in astronaut you develop a sense of glen izza tougher minded guy than i think people realize as an edgier guy a more ambitious guy more complex guy he emerges a little closer to three dimensions that i think we've seen him in some of the movies in the books there's always struck needed given glenn's background. It was impossible to think of him as being bland. That was one of the weaknesses of the right stuff. And if you watch star wars in the right stuff you romance the adventure excitement and yet these guys they were at the edge of the future and they knew it and illinois die in order to either really quite remarkable. It is remarkable. They occupied this balance. Between america's past and america's future glenn was born in this tiny little town of cambridge ohio. He grew up in new concord just nearby of about a thousand people very patriotic town. A very religious town he lived. What too many americans today seems like the cliche of small town america in the nineteen twenties in the nineteen thirties and he came from that world and yet it was glenn who in one thousand nine hundred fifty seven set a speed record flying a crusader jet across the united states from la to brooklyn in just over three hours. It was glenn and the other astronauts who put on the silver spaces and attempted to do and succeeded in doing something that had been the dream of generations and so they were familiar to many americans as individuals and yet they were also bringing as he said a new future. That felt like fantasy and roy interesting conflict in a sense or almost a contradiction that on the one hand the technocratic designers wanted essentially for the astronaut to be a little bit like the chimpanzee they sent i think one of them you quote saying keep his gloved hands to himself on the other hand. You have these very much. I think there's another way to describe in the current generation. they would be almost anachronistic. These are folks who thought they were better than everybody else going to go prove it. No-one died approve it as general. They were extrordinary in that city. I'm curious if it hadn't been glenn one of his colleagues had had picked instead. Do you think it would have been less emotionally. Satisfying working aspects of glen short of perfectly filled out the role. I think that's exactly right. I mean i think so. Much of history looks this way. And in retrospect that it's the right individual at the right moment with the right mission and the fact that it was glenn who got the first orbital flight which to him. I felt like a consolation prize. He wanted to be the first man in space. And then of course the russians beat us to that but the first american in space as many of us knows is not glennon was alan shepard and gus grissom went second so the fact that glenn was third in the rotation was a huge disappointment to him until it turned out that america was ready to move from the sub orbital phase of project mercury with these fifteen minute flights that went up and came right down to the orbital phase and it just seemed faded that way glenn received a bunch of letters from friends and others buddies from the marines and of course it was the same way in the press. The sense was. Glenn was in a way saved by nasa for this moment. It wasn't actually the case but it felt that way because glenn had the public standing the personality that he seemed ready for this mission which was so much more dangerous than sub orbital flights and so much more important given one at occurred which was early in sixty two nearly a year after the russians had orbited the earth almost heroism between the first two sub orbital flights. and what. We're watching with branson as compared to where musk is going pushes to a full orbit system. There's a lot of peronism how is sought by the way clinton's greatest lies was when he said mary is sitting on top of the lowest bid knowing that every single part was part of a lowest bid and thinking. Is this really a good idea. Captured the attention of government is that you want to save money. You would like it to not blow up right right. Exactly very well put and they certainly would have liked not to blow up and they had seen. This is one of the things that i really try to bring a cross and you've touched on this earlier. The incredible danger of all this we know now from our vantage point that glenn got back safely. We know that even though there was a terrible horrific accident loss of life in apollo one that we did succeed in president. Kennedy's skull of getting to the moon by the end of the decade and there were successful lunar missions that followed that as well. We know all of those but at the time this seemed to many americans and even many nasa has an incredibly dangerous Thing that was going to result in assertive horrific in spectacular death and there was at one point early in the program the mercury seven astronauts were taken to cape canaveral to watch one of these launches of the atlas rocket. And they watch this thing lift up and blow and they kinda turn to one another gallows humor and and one of them said you know. I hope they fix that thing before we have to ride on it and they all laughed but privately that a conversation and they agreed that it was inevitable that one of them was going to die in the course of project mercury and it was really just a question of which one and win and glenis i mentioned before was the first to ride up on that atlas rocket the one that they had seen blown up because that rocket was the only one that we had that was powerful enough to lift the capsule into orbit shepherd in grissom had ridden. A less powerful redstone. The stock market has been booming for the last few years. But everyone knows can't last forever especially now. Joe biden is proving to be the most radical president history with many stocks trading at very high valuations. Many experts already predicting the crash could be imminent. If you're planning to retire soon you can't afford to take a major hit. 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And for some reason they can volunteering. And i think part of was patriotism zero. But i'm curious you mentioned one of the really key driving. Please remember this child was son. Shaw of the russians having satellite overhead and lena which that seemed to americans so starter. Can you describe the impact. Not just on news on the world on the russian statements which one of them was artificial because eisenhower for budget. Probably could've done arm ciccio. You're just stupid but nonetheless. They did jump i. It was kind of satellite. Was even more person what was the impact of all the impact was tremendous. I mean it's hard to overstate the impact of sputnik and as you just suggested it was followed immediately by sputnik two we forget about sputnik two which was as he said even more impressive. It was much much heavier in fact sputnik to follow it only a month later in november of nineteen fifty seven was so much heavier that scientists here in the united states and engineers. Were speculating wildly in interviews. With the new york times about new sources of energy. Perhaps that the soviets had developed that would allow them to push an object that heavy up into orbit that was followed by the first animal and space. The dog like a was followed by a whole series of i one after the other and the sense of shock of sputnik never really abated as a result. It just continued to build and build and build because it was understood from the beginning by a lot of americans not by eisenhower. But by a lot of americans and also by american politicians that this seemed like a national security crisis of the first order lyndon johnson saw opportunity here and he rushed right out in the hours after sputnik to attack the eisenhower administration and he said and many others echoed him including kennedy down the line. He said that if the soviets are able to control space they can control life here on earth and there were these lurid fantasies about space stations built by the soviets that would be armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons. There were notions of the soviets building nuclear base on the moon. Outside of the reach of us defenses and so these fears began to build and build and and not just in the united states but across the free world very significant part of our program was furniture from and a group of german engineers and scientists expected to the us right after the war. To what extent where the russian soviet's also being helped by german immigrants. You have any idea that all research became up only a bit. There were certainly germans who were drawn into the soviet program. It does not seem to me. Although i'm not an expert on this subject that they played his as meaningful overall as they did here in the united states that it was kept fairly close in the soviet union there was no russian equivalent of verner von braun. No german equivalent in the russian program of on brown which is just because many ways. Great american chief of getting is actually german american achievement. The who's been drawn ahead. The same design. I think thirty years it just kept looking for some sponsor to build a big enough rock. It's an amazing story. This is one of eisenhower's significant mistakes generally really been but he just didn't get the psychological kennedy comes along and i think it's interesting because my sense says no one should correct me methods wrong. I says the kennedy really saw this as a cold war propaganda coup wrapped in a romantic sense of the human race reaching out his rate rhetorical ability to sort of take a coldly calculated project designed to dish. The russian put to describe it. The american people in the world as a noble collection of the human race getting to the moon brilliant example rate political leadership. That sorta your sensible going on. That's exactly my sense. Romance came a little later. Kennedy i saad in a pretty cold. I'd fashion as he described it as a cold war concern as a battle that was playing out in the eyes of the world and kennedy understood in a way. That eisenhower didn't that the world was making judgments about these two superpowers on the basis of what they were able to do. In space kennedy in nineteen sixty saw and use the power of space as a campaign issue. He went out and said repeatedly that if the united states was going to be second in space and that was a phrase used a lot during the campaign that we were going to be second in the eyes of the world in military power in science and technology and in this larger struggle between freedom and totalitarianism that the allies were looking to the united states. To see whether we were really truly going to be able to compete in this new arena. The communist bloc was celebrating every one of these russian victories and then there was this vast territory around the world that was described as the uncommitted nations who were said to be deciding which of these two systems would bring them more speedily towards the future that they sought and at that moment it really looked like the the soviets were leading that what they were doing in space was so spectacular that it allowed people to overlook their failures. Here honor may be a poker hall. I think i remember from my childhood. You remember the story of course to efforts to catch up. They don't work and story was told places like budapest satellite countries. Reaction people was. Can you imagine the confidence of country willing to let you watch their failures that we would have thought it would. The impact of american openness was profound and it was double edged sword because as he said we were failing in public before the eyes of the world and every one of those rockets that blew up was not only front. Page news here in the united states but around the world because they were watching while the soviets to fail in secret no one was even completely sure where their launch pad was and they didn't announce with any sort of build up that they were going to send your garen into space as the first attempt to orbit the earth. They simply did it and it was only when it was happening that they were willing to reveal it so when they had horrific accidents and they had some spectacular accidents. I mean there was an explosion on the launchpad killed more than one hundred people. We didn't know anything about it. One of their cosmonauts died in a terrible training fire. We didn't know anything about it for decades. And so the soviet program had the aura of kind of invincibility because they were failing in secret. But this i said it was a double edged sword. When the american program turns the corner and begins to succeed it is bringing the world along with it and it shows a superpower that in its confidence is willing to let the world in on the risks that it's facing the dangerous that is facing and then in a way to share in the success process. I saw to just sort of casual phones. I don't know if it was right after. He got matters sooner. What and i may be projecting. This was just very striking kind of a normal this when you look at that and you compare john brin to actually got to the moon in all of our guys had a sense of self regard confidence bravado the need them i thought sort of prototypes to be heroin right. There was a humbleness to garen which everyone around him sawn and described and it was very appealing and they chose him in part because he represented the best as they saw of the kind of humble russian agrarian that he was their prototype of what they wanted the russians to be seen as an in fact the guy who got bumped from the first flight a guy named gherman titov who actually went up orbiting second in august of nineteen sixty. One was a little more of the american model of the kind of self-regarding pilot. He had kind of swagger in his step and there was actually a decision on the part of some of the russian leadership that they wanted gaga into represent russia first and foremost before the eyes of the world. It's interesting in terms of shannon. Being worried you start your book with the friendship. Seven launch oceans twentieth nineteen sixty two. And that's the launched makes yonglin first american to however here but if i remember correctly you report that launches delayed ten times. That must've been unbelievably nerve racking. It was nerve racking. It was agonizing for glenn and for all americans and again around the world. People were frozen in fear that these were ill portents every time there was a postponement and as you said ten times this launch was scrubbed over the course of four months it went on and on the press began to describe it as our national ordeal and it was postponed for all kinds of reasons. It was postponed because there was a fuel leak in the booster rocket was postponed because there were problems. In the capsule it was delayed because there was a leak in glen spacesuit the ring that held his gloves onto the rest of the suit was leaking oxygen. It was one thing after another. It was the weather. The weather was not good enough to allow him to splashdown safely in the ocean where he was supposed to splashdown so it began to seem like the american program was doomed. It was star. Crossed to use ill-placed pawn here and the longer these delays went on the more people began to worry about the outcome and that included glenn himself in fact the most surprising and schilling document that i found in the glenn archives and it had never been published before was a script that glen road for recording that he made for his two teenage children that was going to be played in the event that he didn't come back alive and it begins on a very frank. He says if you hear this. I've been killed. And he talks in this recording about his belief in. God is believe in an afterlife. He talks to his children about how he wants them to conduct themselves at the funeral at arlington given that there would probably not be a body to bury. 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They knew that what they were about to do. Glenn's flight was considerably more dangerous than what had already been accomplished in the shepard grissom flights and they went back and forth. There was a moment when it really looked like glenn was going to fly at the end of january nineteen sixty two so a month before he actually went up and he was strapped into the capsule. Put a top that rocket. He sat there for five hours while they dealt with one problem. After another and ultimately the weather caused them to scrub the flight and the head of project mercury guy named walter williams said later that he was incredibly relieved because he just had a sense of foreboding about the whole thing. He didn't want it to go so they were. Well aware that something terrible might transpire here and that if something went wrong in space that there was probably not a lot that they could do to correct it. All system was competitive when you look back at it and all the documentation. Do you ever likely that the soviets in overtime outperformance that's a great question and i think that again allowing for this sense of inevitability that we have to try to clear away to answer question like that. It seems knowing what we know today. Certainly not what they knew at the time. The programs had two very different philosophies. The soviets were going for shock and awe and so they were selecting missions. That would shock the world because they were achieving something new and dramatic whereas the us was very incrementally building toward a goal every single one of these missions they were like stepping stones across a vast river and so there was a sense of the ark of the program over the course of ten or twelve year span and sense of patients certainly frustration profound frustration at nasa that the soviets were beating us to some of these shared goals like putting a man into orbit but the united states was slow and steady and the soviets by failing to adopt the same approach. They were cutting corners. They were failing to test certain propositions that were going to become important later with more complex missions and so forth and so the two philosophies ultimately lead in a way toward the results you might expect that the united states step by step get to the moon and the soviets. Fail not really important. Because in retrospect this was a success. In retrospect it was the vision of an assassinated president. In retrospect kennedy's a remarkably articulate romantic unattractive person. But just before he gave his speech. Gallup said fifty eight percent of the country was opposed to spending the forty billion dollars and only about a third of the country was willing to spend that much money. The man on the moon was actually a very nazi decision by candidate. Go out on a limb to try to take a nation with him on what was back then money. Are you surprised when you look gamble kennedy. It is surprising the skill the gamble especially because he was a reluctant convert to the idea. He did not barrel into office with this notion that we were going to get to the moon by god one way or another. He had campaigned as i said before against being second in space but he didn't have a great plan to make america first in space and he was immediately distracted by more pressing concerns when he got into office so it was only when you're a garen orbited the earth in april nineteen sixty one that the russians really forced the issue and kennedy had to make a decision about how we could possibly someday surpass the russians. He asked lyndon johnson to take charge of the process that would put options in front of him. It seemed that the only chance really was to go to the moon that there was no way. We were gonna catch the soviets in the near term. They were just too far ahead. So looking almost a decade into the future and imagining all the technology that would have to be developed between now and then all of the investment that would have to be poured into it. There was a chance not a guarantee but a chance we could get there. But when kennedy announces that goal in the speech that you mentioned in late may nineteen sixty one. It's really fascinating to go back and look at that. There's the much quoted line about sending amanda the moon by the end of the decade and bring him safely back to the earth and yet after he utters that line he begins to shuffle the pages of his speech and go off script and he seems uncomfortable. And he's stuttering a little bit and he's essentially saying to the congress. I mean this is paraphrasing. But he says look. This is going to be really difficult. This is going to be really expensive. And you've got to be if you're gonna do this. You need to think long and hard about it because it's going to require long term commitment on the part of all of you on the part of the public. And when he went back to the white house he talked to his speechwriter. Ted sorensen and he said essentially. I don't think i sold it. I was reading the crowd there in the house chamber and i don't think they were with me. They were pretty confident. They were going to get the money that he was asking for but he didn't seem to have a lot of believers in the room in that sense. I think. correct me if i'm wrong. My impression is the one of the great on told stories. is that lyndon johnson who's actually a remarkably positive force going back to his son majority as right after sputnik johnson really was much more pro space in kennedy was and had a much more sophisticated understanding of what we ought to be doing that. Hit what you learned. That's exactly right. Johnson was way ahead of kennedy on this. He was really way ahead of just about everybody on this. As i mentioned earlier immediately after sputnik went up johnson began to speak out about his concern about falling behind the russians at the very start of this new era and and he continued to beat the drums. He began a series of hearings in late. Nineteen fifty seven. That went into the early into the new year attacking the administration and so there was political opportunism in that but this also came from genuine concern that if the soviets had space to themselves in effect. What would they do with it. We continue to say that our purposes were peaceful that nobody imagined that the soviets purposes were peaceful and so johnson does more really than anyone in washington to build a consensus behind the idea. Not only that we have to do something. But that in the near term that thing would be the creation of a civilian space agency nasa which happened later in nineteen fifty. Eight and eisenhower was particularly keen on the idea. He derided at privately as a great department of space. It was sort of a sarcastic phrase of his but he came around to the idea that it was a political necessity and possibly even a military necessity to move manned spaceflight away from the military branches where they were concocting these plans about kind of having essentially combat in space and to move it to a billion space agency so that we could show the world that we were effective in space but also that we meant what we said when we set our purposes peaceful fascinating sure of shortening important turning point in american life and of course it's perfectly were watching with three great entrepreneurs who are out there finding ways the into space. I'm just such a great contribution. Jeff what are you working on now will thank you so much for that. What i'm working on now is mostly getting out here and talking about this book and telling these stories. I haven't developed my next idea yet. But i'm also very lucky to have a very busy day job at west wing writers which is a group of us. You mentioned that. I been speechwriter for president clinton and we moved our corner of the shop to the private sector twenty years ago and or continuing to do that work. Well i have to say ruefully. Somebody who competed with you guys had excellent team and of course he was a great speaker and he was very formidable. And i think you may have been part of. The armor made him so formidable well. That's very generous of you to say. I think all of us who were lucky enough to work with him at the humility of knowing that he was bill clinton before we got there and he was a pretty great communicator. Before we got the chance to help but we felt very lucky to be able to be part of the team. Listen thank you very much. We will have your book on our show page. I will look forward to you coming back and visiting again one your next great adventure published. Thanks very much. 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Magnificent Desolation | Part 4

Apollo 11: What We Saw

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Magnificent Desolation | Part 4

"Every single person honor who had access to a t be set and that would be about six hundred million of US watch the blurry almost surreal image of Neil Armstrong stepping live onto the surface of the moon but after Apollo follow eleven returned to Earth. We got an entirely different view of those first stork moments in part four of what we saw we'll give you the sharp full color view of that one small step from a perspective that no one is shared before we'll watch how one race against the Soviets ended with a win and the one against the U._S.. Congress resulted in a defeat so join us for the journey of Apollo Eleven the seven Apollo missions that followed and decades of disappointments crowded rounded last with a new hope we choose to go to the moon this detained and do the other thing not because they are evening but because they are you five four three two one zero we have thirty two minutes past the hour lift up on Apollo Eleven mm-hmm crank quality we copy on the ground. You got the guys about the turn blue. We're breathing again michaeline looking good here surprisingly the thin hair to a pretty good job out here. We haven't quite got that before the fifty million T._v.. Audience Yeah there have been a lot of great great stage entrances in history but I'm pretty sure that the one made by Neil Armstrong seen by over six hundred million people live on T._v.. Is Not one that's going to be surpassed anytime soon so after final check of helmets visors visors gloves life support packs tools cameras and all the rest all of it within the space of a decent sized standard bedroom closet Aldrin began to depressurize the Eagle. There were no seats in the limb when America landed on the Moon we landed on our feet by God we did six times so now try to imagine to very fit men in their late thirties jam into that closet and each of them are wearing suits the not too far away from the one used by the guy playing these state puffed of marshmallow man in ghostbusters just bending over enough to open the small hatch down at me level between the two standing positions kind of major effort now what was about to happen next was in my opinion the pinnacle of human history that descent down the ladder is so iconic. It's so untarnished it can't be ruined which Kinda makes me feel a little better because frankly when we think of men from planet Earth First Setting Foot upon the surface of another for the world you WanNa believe that Neil Armstrong is on a far horizon stepped manfully out of the darkness of the limb he surveyed the landscape hands on his hips. Perhaps nodded and then walked down the golden staircase it kind of makes me feel a little crummy to be the one the point out that when Armstrong Aldrin and the ten Americans to follow first emerged from their lunar module they did so on their knees crawling going backwards and moving very very slowly in on the board Roger Nail. Everything stayed in here okay. Can you pull it opened on the snail radio check. It's a pretty smart move by Neil there. You know if you've got the entire planet Earth tuned in you probably want to do a sound check before you start the show been loud and clear break break buzzer. His Huston radio check unverified T._V. circuit breaker and no back in that New York Hotel Room Room where I was watching live as a ten year old we still couldn't see anything but right about here. After helping Armstrong out of the Hatch Buzz Aldrin moves to the right window of the leme nets the lunar modules pilot stations where he belongs and he starts rolling Motion Picture Film on which of course we wouldn't see until they returned from the moon. We'd gotten a developed now. The images jumpy for a few seconds then it Kinda stabilizes buzz must have braced himself to steady the image because jiggles just a little bit as he checks the circuit breaker where now from where he standing Aldrin and in the camera he's holding can only see about half of the frame the entire left half the images just black and gray. It's the circular knows of the limb jutting forward blocking the view of the small platform at the top of the letter just outside the hatch called the porch then right at the edge of that diagonally split frame frame. We see a moment of movement. It's a backpack and then as he gets onto the ladder we see just the left forder of Armstrong. We see an arm a leg the backpack the images a little bit dark so aldridge opens it up a spot then the light levels. Come Up Okay No. It's not a squirrel anymore right there on the top of his left shoulder. There's a definite patch of red white and blue. It's a flag are flick. Is Another camera bump. This is Neil steadies himself at the head of the ladder. You can't get a good clear look at his face because you're looking down at him from the limb looking down on the top of his helmet but it's clear that his golden visor is up. You can definitely see that. There's some kind of head inside that Helmet Victor T._v.. No Buzz. They don't have a good picture Aldrin's speaking as a test pilot here when he says you got a good picture that means the Dan things actually working. That's about all you can say about it. I couldn't make any sense out of the digital a great deal of contract in it and currently it's upside down our monitor but we can make out the amount of detail the entire world is watching that live Blurry T._v. image but I wanna stay with what alternate seeing up in the limb he's looking down from the right side of the Eagle. He's filming Neil Armstrong as he's working. The image is still a little bit blurry but it's in color and it is far better than what's coming up from late sixties hand-held T._v. camera at the latter then you can see Neil Armstrong looking down he's holding onto the base of the ladder initially to get a better looked at the four lunar landing pants that only about the on our two inches although the purpose appears to be you're fine grain to get close to it almost like a powder knows we keep watching the footage shot from inside the limb aldred moves little you can see the blurry reflection of his pressure suit moving across across the window neil looking straight ahead and he's looking down. He's in the shadow of the Eagle that shadow stretches up and across the right side of the frame all the way to the top. It's ominous and imposing the shadow that lunar module will then there's a moments too quick beat as if he's rehearsing align he wrote in his head here comes the greatest moment in human history and here is a man speaking as calmly as he possibly could are you can see the tether straining little as he moves slightly to the left. He's looking down now. It has left foot which is invisible below the frame and then you can actually see him shift Tis way you can actually tell from his posture that he's stepping on dust. That's giving away just a little and he does something else. I didn't notice before you can actually wash him. Pushing down maybe five or six times damping down the great talcum powder of the surface the way you would if you're standing on snow. He's testing to make sure it's going to support his weight up in the limb from our point of view Aldrin's reflection is moving across the glass. Armstrong is looking down at his left boot all for man for the first and only time during this entire run of footage Armstrong Lance is up almost to see if buzz got the shot but of course that's just my Hollywood background. Talking Armstrong was looking right at altered in for half a second you can see the eyes of the man who just step off of his spacecraft and into immortality vises Houston to one one sixty seconds per shadow photography on the sequence commer he goes back to work he starts describing the texture of the lunar dust can pick it up with my Pale here and the fine layers <hes> like <hes> powder charcoal and you're what we saw all around the world was barely legible blob moving against a black background as if he really were stepping out onto the stage of history and reading his line but if you watch it from above love you can see all of the nuance the hesitation and then you actually get to watch for a moment as Neil Armstrong prepares himself to step out onto the moon this demystified the entire moment it becomes less iconic chronic becomes less abstract becomes less historic and becomes far far far more human. Neil Armstrong was just another test pilot like chuck yeager and most of the rest of the mercury and juvenile astronauts out at Edwards air for space he naturally enough fell into the small circle of men who had a twenty five percent chance of being killed every time they went up to test a new aircraft. They had their own language. These men had their own insults had their own compliments a lot of it. It was the dark humor that protects you from watching so many people being killed in a seat you just been in or one. You're about to be in Provo on problem. Roger Twelve O one alarm twelve okay we copy logged all aware that he again over emotion and he kind emotion is fatal for men like this when a never before seeing computer error kept reappearing at the worst possible moment during the descent it's the lack of emotion in Armstrong's and alternate voice. That's what's keeping them alive and we'll be right back after message from our sponsor and that sponsor is net sweet. 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It's that kind of moment and it's the only way I kinda explain to you. How it feels during moments like that I was on my dress rehearsal flight for my instrument check ride and by some Miracle Santa Monica Airport was actually I- Afar instrument flight rules meaning that a low cloud ceiling ruled out visual slight references in other words? It was the only time during my entire instrument training that I was Gonna fly into actual weather instead of wearing the hood that I'd worn to keep me looking down at the instruments and not out the window at yet another perfect day in paradise. I flight instructor was in the right seat. We got our clearance. I read it back. We added power and ten seconds. After the wheels were off the runway. We'd entered clouds so thick that I could not see the stubby wingtips tips just a few feet away on the Piper Archer instrument trainer just a puddle jumper really now I reached a certain intersection determined by radio beams and I started right climbing turn towards Burbank between me and that airport where the Santa Santa Monica Hills and they're not really hills may be one thousand five hundred feet high actual mountains and I've driven over them thousands of times. I know there there I started the right turn towards the hills. Climb rate. Look good my turn a bank in Decatur indicated dated a turn to the right but my primary instrument. My artificial horizon told me that I was making a descending turn to the left now at that exact instant I could feel I could actually feel that little red eyed rat of sheer. You're panicked starting to Nibble on my ankles. I turned to my flight instructor. I told him my primary instrument was indicating. Turn in the wrong direction. I looked at him to tell me what to do. He did tell me what to do. Tickets tickets ass is what he said and then in that instant I felt a lever a big one kinda get thrown somewhere in the back of my head. Okay Hanukkah's completely gone now now. All I have to do is kicked the sing in the ASS. I had turned to the right. It felt like we were turning to the right but that didn't mean a thing. Thousands and thousands of pilots have died in exactly that fashion all I knew was that I was flying the general direction of a mountain range and that in every contest between the ground and the airplane the ground has won every single time. Trust your instruments. So what are they telling me well. The simple bank and turn indicator shows turn to the right the far more sophisticated artificial horizon is indicating turn to the left so I look down at the gyroscopic heading into cater and also at the simple compass up there on the Dash. Both of those were showing a turn to the right the artificial the horizon was outvoted. I covered it up with the Black Suction Cup what decisely for this kind of emergency so that it would not distract me with false information now as required by regulations I radioed air traffic control and I advise them that I was an instrument conditions and that my primary instrument had failed so cal departure replied with and I quote Roger Say intentions and what I wanted to say was it I intended that someone on the ground would get a firetruck with a big in ladder and get me the hell out of the stem thing what actually said was that we would continue the I'll s the instrument landing system approach into Burbank which is what we did and there was no moving map. I just had to needles against a black background. I had to keep him centered. It took us just an an instant for us to descend through that cloud layer when we did I looked up and I saw the approach lights of Burbank Airport. Now I was slightly to the left of the centerline and my instructor was slightly to the right of it at that exact instant. I felt like the Lord of all creation if I had not been able to suppress that emotion if I let that little rat get to my knees if I panicked I wouldn't be here. I'd be mixed with small bits of aluminum and a chart spot somewhere on the left where the four or five goes over Sepulveda's pass and I've had three engine failures in single engine airplanes two of those in experimental aircraft and all three of those times I felt that lever getting thrown in the back of my head and that sick sense sense of fear just kind of fall away. I'm alive. Tell these true tales of adventure because my primary flight instructor named Jeff Larkin told me something as we walked out to our two seat grow glider just before my first flying lesson back in Nineteen ninety-one Billy said it's probably never going to happen but if something does go wrong up there you you are GonNa leave that airplane and your reptile brain is going to take over. My job is to make sure the reptile knows what to do. No I'm saying all of this because I want you to understand that emotion is fatal for test pilots and as I said this shows up in the language that test pilots us no one ever said to Neil Armstrong none of his pilot friends anyway okay. No one ever said wow. What an amazing job Neil? We're just so damn proud of you. A colleague might F- he had survived extraordinarily trying circumstances have a chance to maybe under his breath sate Neil Armstrong you sir are are a steely eyed missile man. A big mistakes also have their own sardonic emotionless tone. You didn't crash you offered in you didn't leave a flaming smoking crater on someone's property. You ruined the guys place so your last act on earth was to do the the right thing you bought the farm if you missed up badly and somehow managed to survive well that was like sneaking into your girlfriend's house creeping silently up the dark and stares expertly sliding past her snoring father with a shotgun back at his side and then entering the wrong room and end up screwing the coach. Neil Armstrong was the most steely eyed of missile men during the entire mission. The question for history is did neil screw the pooch when it came meantime to utter the most monumental words human history all fail for man. That's one small step for men. One giant leap for mankind doesn't make any sense in that sentence man and mankind or interchangeable what he intended to say was that's one small step for for a man one giant leap for mankind which is absolutely perfect it Shakespeare coming from an engineer now a half-century later we still reverently report the world's most famous botched line but not too long ago certainly before he died a couple of audio engineers told me alarm strong that they had put some serious computer power into the actual broadcast that he made from the moon those two audio guys discovered what they believed to be an almost instantaneous detainees radio heterogeneous that is when to radio signals are both communicating on the same frequency at the same time they block each other out according to the analysis of these two audio experts Armstrong's a in a man. Dan was spoken but it was actually blocked. We'll see this. Just try saying it out loud for yourself. That's one small step Promahon C._O.. easy to swallow but still say at missing a ought to pick thicker hair now. There's a great film sequence same position up there in the lamb looking down and it's a picture of Neil. He's got his visor up his faces clearly visible for the only time during the entire mission as Aldrin filmed grabbing what was called the contingency sample. That's just a real quick scoop of moon-dust in case some emergency caused them to have to cheese it out of there and his schedule and they're going to stay Gerber but very pretty utter. It's really not much to look at honestly but it's important footage because a moment later Aldrin would stop coming from the lamb as he prepared join join Armstrong on the surface that little clip is important because it's the only time that we can actually make out Neil Armstrong space as soon as Audran stops filming from the Limb Aldrin will perform the bulk of the actions while Neil this almost all the photography in virtually every Apollo eleven image you see of an astronaut on the moon that astronaut is Buzz Aldrin. Neil Armstrong essentially disappears once buzz gets his boots on the move twenty minutes after Armstrong Buzz Aldrin exit the Eagle by crawling back out of the hatch and onto the porch of the Limb Armstrong was there to film this ingred detail farm I the backup partially wasn't joking about being locked out of the lamb either way. If the hatch had fully closed it would have been very difficult difficult. Perhaps impossible for them to get back inside now. That would be the ultimate screw. The Pooch moment in all of human history got the only laugh I personally ever heard from Neil Armstrong on my lamp for the next hour good just like Armstrong before him. My backing out Aldrin is not able to see anything of the lunar surface until the final jump onto the lunar modules foot pat when he's finally able the turnaround the shock of it is just electrifying desolation magnificent desolation. That's exactly right bus. The questions the controversy the analysis Muller Testifies Live all day tomorrow and only Fox News Channel delivers the coverage you can trust when muller contradict his own report. Or reaffirm its findings watch Brandon Martha anchor our all day special coverage plus stay with our prime time is shown Tucker and Laura break it down and weigh in on what it all means for the President Special Coverage Starts Live all day tomorrow. Only on the Fox Fox News Channel Armstrong then walks over to the remote T._v. camera that had taken pictures of him coming down the ladder but he changes the setting on the Lens on now. This new shot is much better through the Gray cathode-tube scan lines. We can see both men. They're standing very close together the right up against the ladder rectify well. That's on the planning girl this lamb for some reason Neil Armstrong's midwestern accent seems to go into full after burner and just for this moment of the planet her time a lot of people both in America and abroad like to characterize us is these mindless jingoistic knuckle draggers waving in our giant foam fingers with we're number one on him while with chanting U._S._A. U._S._A. U._S._A.. But if there was ever a more graceful more humble or more generous message than the one tied to the leg of the Eagle I've yet to hear it here amen from the planet Earth I set foot upon the moon July nineteen sixty nine A._d.. We came in peace for all mankind work opping instruments within placed on the surface a thin poll was hammered with some significant effort into the hard lunar rock underneath the dust and an American flag was put up progressing beautifully <hes> believer betting up the flag it had been stiffened with wire so it gave the general appearance of blowing in the non existent wind now if they hadn't done this would have you simply hung simply from the poll and would have essentially been invisible planting that flag on the moon was the only Cold War victory prayed that we would ever have beautiful Mike early. They've got the flag up now. Bigger it was what the Marines raising the flag on Iwo Jima Mount Suribachi meant to our fathers and mothers. It was proof in this case in living color all the years of effort and sacrifice this all the loss blood and lost treasure spent to make good on a challenge made by a young president who like Lincoln did not get to see the great struggle that we had finally overcome so it's small wonder that after the mission looking back on all of the computer failures close calls the near misses that they had to get to in order land on the Moon Buzz Aldrin stated without hesitation of all the jobs I had to do on the moon the one I wanted to go. The smoothest was the flag-raising now two hours in fifteen minutes may seem like a decent stretch of time for I walk on another planet and it is but one thing that absolutely lutely blew my mind was the size of the ground that the actually cover imagine looking down at a major league baseball time you put the lamb on the pitcher's mound and each leg extends exactly to the circle where the clay meets the grass the entire moonwalk virtually all of it doesn't only take place in the infield virtually all of it takes place inside the baseline. There's one excursion over the home team team Dugout to set up a cameron. There's a little loop just past first base in foul ball territory and finally the single greatest trek by far is a solitary walkabout halfway into right center field to examine the rim of a small crater. That's visit with the limb on the Pitcher's mound not counting that one brief four about twice the distance to second base pretty much. The entire moonwalk takes place inside the clay of the Infield. It's actually we on the grass in the center of the diamond. It's absolutely shocking you know I think looking back on it. History went out of her way to be particularly fair to Armstrong and Aldrin both men landed simultaneously of course but Neil Armstrong was is an forever will be the first man on the moon. There's a curious kind of symmetry at work here for while Armstrong's name became history and then legend the fact remains that all of our memories of that breathtaking event really we belong to altern that ooh print on the moon every single drop of sweat and blood and every single sent that the Apollo program ended up spending could be crystallized forever in that one image of that boot print on the moon was buzz Aldrin's boot that image of an American astronaut crisply saluting the American flag. That's Aldrin to what's rightfully been called the most famous picture in history. It's a man standing casually almost idly on the surface of another world is anonymous due to the golden visor needed to protect his is from the brilliant unfiltered sunlight well. That's Aldrin to now. You can't see his face. If if you look closely there's a word printed on the space suit in that picture of the first moon landing that picture of the space age that picture it's GonNa last as long as humans last and that word is Aldrin so which one would you rather be the immortal name in the history books or the person in an equally immortal picture. Where's the entire idea ridiculous kind of like the idea of one sided coin? Neil Armstrong's name would not have been written without Buzz Aldrin Aldrin's picture would not have been captured without Armstrong behind the camera and that's actually my very favorite thing about that image of an Apollo astronaut on the moon he looked closely. You'll Lsu Aldrin's name but if you look even closer you'll see that Neil Armstrong is in the shot as well is reflected in the mirror like visor. That's how it should be too. I think each man reflecting the other with neither face ace visible as if any one of the three hundred fifty thousand people who powered this journey could be behind that face plate. Maybe it said white behind the Golden Glasser Gus grissom Roger Chaff. Maybe it's the entire human race in that small little bubble wrap up. Maybe it's me in that picture. Maybe it's you Columbia. This is the backup crew or graduation for yesterday's performance are with you for the border the debate bird bearable and then it was not just the mission the entire program the idea of dreams made real the spirit of the space age was over. We just didn't know you about eleven Neilan Buzz climbed back into the Eagle they sealed the hatch. They stowed the samples apples and they prepared for liftoff but while he was trying to find a place for a big bag of moon rocks Aldrin accidentally hit the control console of the leme with this giant sack of rocks and he broke something what he happened to break turned out to be the switch. That's GONNA fire the essence stage to get them back up into lunar orbit rendezvous with Mike Collins in Columbia and then go home. There's a story I've heard I've heard it twice ice from people who actually new Buzz Aldrin and despite all the research I did for this program. I was never able to find out if it's true or not. Actually you know what I don't care. If it's true it's perfect whether it happened or not. I love this story because to me it perfectly captures the different attitude between how we thought during the space age versus how we think today here's the story many many years after the flight of Apollo eleven a young journalist was interviewing buzz Aldrin on television. She'd read about buzz accidentally smashing the switch. That's going to bring them home and then she asked him with the perfect kindness and sensitivity of modern America if buzz began to give some thought to what he would tell his wife and children before the air run during those final moments did he armstrong discuss what their final words to earth would be and would busby willing to share that with this after all these years now according to legend Buzz Aldrin stared at her for a moment is if she'd she'd ask this last question in some kind of foreign language and once he realized that she was serious you supposedly lean forward and said weren't thinking about any last words we try to figure out how to fix the Goddamn switch. I do love that story so Armstrong. Aldrin and Collins all made it home safely turns out felt tip pen was just the right size to close the contact tacked on that broken switch. No there's a picture of Neil Armstrong in the lamb taken by Audran of course just a few minutes after they'd repressurize the Eagle and removed their helmets. I man on the Moon looks tired looks very tired. He needs a shave and probably need to shower as well his eyes appear swollen and read but the look on his face is just transcendental. The is in the smile route those of a thirty eight year old steely eyed missile man. Neil Armstrong looks exactly like a six year old kid seeing a shiny new bike in front of the tree on Christmas morning. It's a real smile but those blue eyes appear to be just a little bit watery kind of first time at Disneyland. Look you just so happy. You don't know what else to cry. I think that photo is one of the most remarkable pictures ever taken of anyone. There's no other photos of Armstrong and even come close. There's joy in that look kind of deep deep fried. You must feel after finally realizing that you've just done the single most difficult task in the history of the world and there's not just pride in those is either. There's an overwhelming sense of relief it. It's strong enough to come forward half a century and still knocked the window six hundred million people that was everyone on unearth could get to a T._v.. Set had watched this one man cherry the weight of all humanity the dreams and sweat of the three hundred seventy five thousand people who worked on project Apollo were with them to as well as the blood of Gus grissom Ed White Roger Chaffee Elliot C and Charlie Bassett any one of whom might have been the person in the picture if luck and timing had gone a different way. Neil looks like a man who has satisfaction having carried all of that wait for all of that time and finish the job without screw in the Pooch Apollo eleven was the first of six lunar landings but something had ended once those parachutes appeared in the sky and Columbia came down in splashed into the ocean space race was over war was oh we want but without that tightly wound spring would would end up shocking all of us Apollo kids who grown up in the space age and thought that this was just the very beginning of an endless adventure and how fast everything could come to an end and disappear like a rocket contrel heading ever-higher fire into the heavens. They're all engines running committee. Liftoff Apollo twelve may have been the worst sequel in show Biz history tranquility base to electric Biglou <hes> yeah there were some decent moments. Apollo twelve got struck by lightning on the way up that was pretty cool although just like the near disaster on the landing of Apollo Eleven. We wouldn't know just how serious that was until many years later what what happened here we actually Apollo twelve got hit twice. The first strike at thirty six seconds not all three fuel cells off line a second strike at fifty two seconds knocked out Apollo twelve artificial horizon indicator under these two lightning strikes lit every warning light in the capsule called Yankee Clipper and every light back at Michigan troll as well. It looked like that crew escape rocket was going to get a chance to be on live T._v.. After all no one at that instant new just how badly Yankee Clipper been damaged all twelve Houston we start getting that platform squared away go I am you power standby and back on we'll hear caged up the electrical environmental and consumables manager notice Z. Common Mission Control was operated at that woman by man named John Erin he alone recognize the pattern of the failures from an earlier test when a power supply on an instrumentation unit just blew a fuse now this is we're the dividends pay off when you treat a flight crew like a group of individuals rather than Technological Army of foot soldiers in tight top-down hierarchy Erin had the confidence in himself and in his bosses from to get on the Mike without hesitation tation and say Huston try S._C._A.. Two auxiliary over this was a long way from a routine failure it had been simulated briefly over a year before but Lunar Module Pilot Alan Bean remembered it somehow when he reached out to find find obscure switch inflicted over to auxiliary fuel cells instantly came back online telemetry began to flow back to Houston and mission commander P Conrad could stop glancing over at that abort button Aaron and beans quick thinking had saved the mission earning the e Com desk jockey and of brownie points to achieve the priceless award of being called a steely eyed missile man in front of the entire launch team being also had saved the mission which was good because a few days later Alan Bean was gonNA screw the Pooch Big Time Alan Bean quite by accident. You understand was about to make Apollo twelve the forgotten landing coming into the picture Nappy F._A.. It now one of the great hypes regarding the second lunar landing was that Apollo twelve not terry those blurry black and white T._v.. Cameras rather new state of the art year that would show the surface of the moon in living living color Conrad being the lunar module intrepid made a brilliant absolutely pinpoint landing just close enough for them to walk six hundred feet or so to visit the unmanned surveyor three lander which had landed back in April of nineteen sixty seven it was the first and only time that humans have been able to visit the space probes the came before them and paved the way intrepid landed in the southeastern corner of oceanus press alarm. That's the ocean of storms now and this particular piece of real estate had been visited three times before Apollo twelve the surveyor three pro from nineteen sixty seven which they examined the Soviet Luna five mission in nineteen sixty five would have made the first soft landing on the moon but the retro rockets failed and it just dug another crater to fly over the ranger missions was accomplished an atlas agena combination from Cape Kennedy. I of them was America's ranger. Seven which in July of nineteen sixty four also crashed into moon but that was the mission plan for Rangers seven it was designed to crash in the Moon Nasr's ranger sevens impacted the moment in a pre-selected target area it also took the first image of the moon obtained from an American space probe and four thousand three hundred more of them as it rocketed into the moon at two thousand three hundred miles per hour the last image recorded objects about a foot wide. This traffic jam in the southeastern end of the ocean of storms had drawn so much attention that the I a._A._U.. The International Astronomical Union Multinational Consortium of leading astronomers which is among other things responsible for approving every single name on every single feature that we discover out in space well the decided cited that after four missions in two craters that particular patch of ancient lava would henceforth be named mayor cognitive the known see now. Unfortunately we didn't get to see that Apollo twelve is the missing mission for so many of us because as being followed Conrad down the ladder to become the fourth man on the moon his first task was to set up the brand new widely hyped color camera but Alan Bean who understandably was probably we pretty excited ended up missing procedure and he removed the Lens cover before he had the camera securely in place that camera got pointed for a few moments directly at the sun the delicate electronics and the camera fried almost immediately and we didn't see anything on Apollo twelve that means for most of us like it never happened. That's the power of the image for you and needless to say the next mission Apollo Thirteen would be historic. Apollo thirteen was the first and only mission to the moon that I clearly saw on the pad go off with my own is also there was some kind of an explosion. Apparently I could afford to be a little flip about this because there's nothing I can add to that. Magnificent work that Ron Howard. Tom Hanks at Harris Bill Paxton Kevin Bacon and Gary sinise did on the movie Apollo Thirteen based on the Book Lost Moon by Apollo Thirteen eighteen commander Jim level it is hands down the best nonfiction space movie ever made faulty wiring to an oxygen tank caused an explosion explosion in the service module crippling power bleeding oxygen and basically turning the command module Odyssey into a dead space print. Here's the big plays but the lunar module Aquarius was a completely separate spacecraft conveniently docked to the nose of the Odyssey Aquarius would become the life book that would get those three men Jim Level Jack swaggered and Fred Hayes backed earth but not before going to the moon. I now huddled inside the limb. The three men were at high risk of suffocation not from lack of oxygen. There's plenty of that but from the accumulation of carbon dioxide which is normally removed from the air by chemical scrubbers lamb was designed for two men over three days. It didn't have the scrubbers that the command module had which was enough for three men in eight or nine days but with the fuel cells on the command module not working that simply wasn't going to help now there were plenty of canisters in the command module but they were designed only for the command module the ones in Aquarius had a completely -pletely different intake now. I'm probably my favorite moment of the movie engineers. Take the canisters they take socks tape lunar sample bags every single thing actually on board both spacecraft and they just dump it onto a table will in a conference room and one of the guys was up the square peg of the command module canister to the round hole of the lunar module scrubber and basically says we have to make this fit into this with that that scene is so critical to understanding how we got to them because it was a combination of intricately laid out precisely detailed and painstakingly rehearsed procedures for every single type of emergency that NASA could imagine but you're they were with emergency that they couldn't have imagined and the ability to switch mental gears from rigid adherence to precise procedures and switching suddenly to kind of free style out of the box. Throw the Spaghetti on wall to see if it sticks kind of improvisation well that encapsulates the success of the entire program and there's one more thing that movie gets exactly right and that's flight director gene Kranz attitude failure is not an option and that's not just there's something printed below the logo of some insurance company he means at literally and don't come to me until you can find a way to get these guys back home in one piece. You know there's another aviation story. I heard when I was learning to fly chuck yeager once found himself in a flat spin. It was unrecoverable everything he tried to do with power rudder ailerons. Nothing was working and he's heading downstairs like an anvil yeager. Her eventually found a way to recover now the way I heard it he said essentially that he couldn't get the plane out of the flat spin but he did think it was possible to flip over into an inverted spin and he knew how to get out of one of those who thinks like we're in horrible shape and we have to make it worse in order to make it better ignition sequence start by all three to one zero. Let we have left up with Apollo fourth game three minutes that the Apollo fourteen launched on January thirty first nineteen seventy-one was the last of the H. Missions and was headed to from tomorrow which was Apollo Thirteen intended landing site but this was no longer a relatively safe and mostly secure flat and featureless lunar see from morrow much older one of the lunar highlands which means that the Apollo fourteen photos the first to show actual terrain there are hills in these pictures rolling hills and not very tall. This actually adds a great deal of reality to that magnificent desolation that Aldrin described on Apollo eleven and which we didn't see thanks to a blind a T._v.. Camera on Apollo Twelve Mission Commander Alan Shepherd had waited patiently for ten years for this moment. If NASA had not decided to test the mercury capsule with Ham Astra Chimps Sixty five than Alan Shepherd shepherd would have been the first man in space with that delay allowed Eureka Garen that well-deserved on her that was a pretty tough hip for shepherd back in nineteen sixty one when he told his wife that the first man in space was standing in that very room Lewis said. Had who let it Russian in here that Russian Eureka Garn was killed in a training flight in nineteen sixty seven he died before witnessing the first moon landing with Apollo eleven and just nine months before Apollo eight made the first journey into Lunar Orbit Alan Shepherd however was alive and well ten years later and he got to walk on the moon he was the oldest man to walk on the moon and the only one of the original mercury seven astronauts to do so Alan Shepherd had been grounded due to an inner ear condition for most of those ten years so he joined fellow mercury astronaut the also grounded D.C Slayton as chief of the astronaut office in one thousand nine hundred sixty three now. This was a valuable we'll place to be during that ten year hiatus and when a new surgical procedure corrected his inner ear Problem Shepherd was back in the rotation even if your business happens to be going to the moon it's always good to have friends in high places in sometimes is not just watching but you know it's who you know. Fellow Mercury seven astronaut Gordon Cooper who unlike shepherd fluid Jim and I- mission Jimmy five with Pete Conrad just returned from the Moon on Apollo twelve had been slated to be the commander of the backup crew for Apollo ten pen now using the usual rotation schedule that would have made cooper the mission commander the plan Moonwalk of Apollo Thirteen Slayton had his doubts about Cooper was rumored to have a lax attitude towards training having had to be repeatedly coaxed into the Jimmy simulator or so we said so slayton inserted his deputy shepherd as the commander of Apollo thirteen now this created its own set of problems and not just with Justifiably Furious Leroy Gordon Cooper Shepherd actually asked John McDevitt commander of Apollo nine and the first man to test the lemon earth orbit if he would join his team as the Lunar Macho pilot for a walk on the moon as part of Apollo Thirteen McDevitt give it declined with thanks he flat out turned down on the grounds that shepherd lack the experience to command a moon mission now. The response of the first American space to this refusal on the part of John McDevitt is not recorded but McDevitt had had appoint shepherd could use more training so D.C Slayton had a talk with Jim Level who had been on the first flight to orbit but not land on the moon on Apollo eight back in nineteen sixty eight level had headed up the backup crew for Apollo eleven which again going by the standard rotation protocol made level commander of Apollo Fourteen Dick Slayton asked level if he and his crew would switch missions with shepherd to give shepherd more training time now offered a chance to walk on the moon several months earlier than expected level agreed to the switch what could possibly go wrong hollow thirteen one wrong and there were more delays as modifications were made to the service module after the near-fatal explosion on Apollo Thirteen. Jim Lovell went to the moon twice but he never landed on it and for the rest of their lives every time shepherd and level would find themselves in each other's company level would ask jokingly but a little wistfully also if shepard wanted to switch missions back back to the original schedule meanwhile Gordo Cooper was pushed back to later Apollo missions and he could already see the writing was on the wall Apollo twenty was cancelled due to lack of funding there were serious doubts about Apollo's eighteen and nineteen so L. Gordon Cooper resigned from NASA and the Air Force on July thirty first nineteen seventy it was battling Parkinson's disease when he died of a heart attack at his home in Ventura California on October four two thousand four that was the forty seventh anniversary of the launch of Split Nick one which it started the whole thing dying in two thousand four was not the end of Gordo spaceflights not by a long shot Gordo Cooper went on to fly aboard a capsule that was lost in in the mountains for several weeks or cooper was aboard SPACEX FALCON One rocket when it exploded two minutes into its flight Gordo Cooper flew on a successful mission to the International Space Station Gordo Cooper was burned into incandescent Endesa NSS has he reentered the atmosphere without a spacey joining him on two of those missions presumably as flight engineer was Montgomery Scott Scotty on the original star Trek series played by actor James Doohan both Doohan's and Cooper's his ashes repeatedly failed to be released in outer space. Both men had been battling tough diseases prior to their debts. Neither one of them were quitters or complainers. Now both finally made it to Earth orbit on spacex his unmanned second mission to the International Space Station on May Twenty second two thousand twelve both of them we entered the earth's atmosphere about a month later in some remains of Mercury and Germany astronaut Gordo Cooper and chief Engineer Montgomery Scott. We're still up there and they always will be but Alan. Shepard got his moon mission. The Apollo Fourteen Lunar Module Antares undocked with the Command Service Module Kittyhawk piloted by Stewart Stewart Russa and began its descent too Fra Mauro after Hand Flying Antares even closer to its intended landing spot than any other Apollo mission before sense Alan Bartlett Shepherd Junior stepped off at the foot pat and onto the lunar surface in Uttar silence his mind on other things apparently because he walked several yards away from the lamb before remarking quietly as if to himself and it's been a long way but we're here now apparently preparing preparing for his imminent retirement from the space program shepherd took a couple of swings without a t engulfs all-time most difficult centrum. That's swing was captured on tape by his Lunar Macho pilot at Mitchell rookie astronaut Edgar de Mitchell only made a single flight into space but it was a doozy it was the sixth human to walk on the moon was his only flight and so ended the H.. Series of Apollo missions now Apollo fifteen was supposed to be h mission but as that deep dark shadow of budget cuts in waning enthusiasm stretched ever longer in the lunar twilight Nassar realized that you better fly while the flying was still good Neil Armstrong's fellow crew member on Jimmy Eight Dave Scott who publicly marveled at Armstrong Skilling coolness under pressure and who then went on to pilot the command module in Earth orbit back on Apollo. Oh nine was selected as mission commander for this first of the long duration Apollo J. Missions Rookies Al Warden Command module pilot and Jim Irwin as lunar module pilot would join Scott on this all air force flight so they had named the lunar module fell can after the mascot of the Air Force Academy the Command Module They Christened Endeavor the space race was back on Ernest by this time but not against the Soviets it was against the United States Congress which which grew more and more intolerant of what many saws admission that had already been accomplished Apollo fifteen with sink to Hanley real a genuinely mountainous region dominated by Headley real itself. It's a smooth sinuous faultline in the lunar surface looks a lot like a drier royal but it's the result of subsurface collapsed rather than ancient flowing water or they will pour one or five or seven this three D. mission had a lot of ground cover. It was absolutely no way to accomplish all of the scientific objectives on foot but that didn't stop Scott from having his way regarding sleep cycles determined not to mar the mission with three full days of jetlag Scott landed the Falcon at Hadley real in the late afternoon at insisted on some solid sleep prior to their first E._p._A.. Now this was made much more comfortable by removing the pressure suits completely they were the first Apollo crew to spend time on the lunar surface in their shirtsleeves. This a strategy apparently paid off during their three day. Stay on the lunar surface Scott and Irwin took three road trips in their lunar over one of them taking them right to the edge of Hanley real itself together. They spent an incredible eighteen hours outside of the limb bringing home one hundred seventy pounds of moon rocks including the genesis rock named in the belief that it might have been part of the Moon's primordial crust formed four point four billion years ago in a solar system that only began four point six billion years ago now less this proved not to be the case the genesis rock sample number fifteen for fifteen pretty remarkable coincidence when you consider it was for Apollo fifteen was later discovered to be Amir four billion eighteen years old. I have a feather hammer. Fifteen also gave mission commander Dave Scott great chance to prove Galileo correct with his anti intuitive idea that all objects fall at the same rate because when you get rid of the air that slows the feather down the feather in the hammer hit the lunar surface at exactly the same time Galileo was correct finding now since that camera on the Lunar Rover could be controlled from the ground in Houston Scott and Irwin parked the buggy what was presumably a safe distance away from the Falcon and the buggy recorded the first video of an Apollo since stage lifting off the surface of the moon automatic aside from a shower of golden debris from the four-legged descent stage. There's no rocket flame no smoke nothing would come out of this event both smoke and flame being a product product of a rocket engine firing on or near the surface Falcon second-stage Climb Skyward like a scalded ASI which would be test pilot jargon for rapidly the instruction to tilt the camera as it took off had to be sent from Earth One and a quarter seconds before the launch occurred the radio signal would take that long to get to the rover moving at a mere one hundred eighty six thousand two hundred sixty two miles per second speed a lights not just a good idea yeah. It's the Law Apollo Fifteen's lunar module pilot Jim Irwin repeated the remarkable story of his immediate predecessor Apollo for Teens Ed Mitchell on his one and only trip into space. Jim Irwin would not only get to walk on the moon. You've got the drive on it unlike his commander Dave Scott who as we record this is one of only four surviving men to have walked on the moon. Jim Irwin died of a heart attack in nineteen ninety. One only sixty one years old old. He was the first member to leave the most exclusive club in human history. John Young who orbited the moon during the dress rehearsal flight of Apollo ten in his second trip back is commander of Apollo Sixteen bound for the even older even more mountainous terrain of the Descartes Highlands greater early fourteen mattingly pulled from the crew crew of Apollo Thirteen three days prior to launch to a suspected case of German measles that he never actually contracted which flies command module pilot on a ship named Casper of friendly ghost fame the one departure from Syria ship ship names after snoopy and Charlie Brown modules flew the lunar landing dress rehearsal on Apollo ten it was largely through Ken Mattingly's tireless efforts in cold wet and dark command module simulator that the crew of the flight he'd missed Apollo Thirteen made it back alive and well rookie Charlie Duke would make it a hat trick for Lunar Module Pilots Apollo Sixteen would be his only flight into space aboard the more impressively named Orion the descartes highlands would prove as buried an interesting as heavily really been and if John Young and Charlie Duke didn't encounter a rock as old as genesis rock from Apollo fifteen they sure as hell ran into one a good deal larger five big house rock a medium-sized boulder that had rolled down from the Descartes Hills millions and millions of years ago makes quite an impression when seeing with an actual human to provide some sense of scale speaking of impressions it was boulder's like that one that had littered the area that Apollo eleven was landing for before Neil Armstrong did what he was paid to do. You're Orion left the moon in s spectacular fashion as it a derived. There's a frame still frame from the video of the liftoff taken from the Apollo Sixteen rover that looks like nothing so much as the inside of Studio Oh fifty four in New York with golden rays of debris blasting out like a spotlight on a miracle John Young would return home and wait almost as long as Alan Shepherd did for his next flight ten years after leaving the Moon John Young take the left seat as commander of S. T. S. one the first space shuttle flight writing Columbia into orbit accompanied by Rob Crippen Young would take Columbia again a few years later on S.. T. S. nine nine John Young number nine of the twelve men who've walked on the moon is one of only three astronauts who flown to the moon twice who's chief of the astronaut office from Nineteen seventy-four Until Nineteen eighty-seven and he is the only person person in history to a flown four different types of spacecraft Jimmy Capsule the Apollo Command Module Apollo Lunar Module and the spatial John Young died from complications from pneumonia in Houston Texas on January fifth two thousand eighteen at age eighty seven and he is sorely missed and that left one more chance everything left to do would have to be done on Apollo Seventeen Apollo twentieth been cancelled some time before in fact Richard Nixon had wanted to cancel Apollo sixteen seventeen eighteen and nineteen but office of Management and Budget Deputy Director Casper Weinberger who would go. I want to become Ronald Reagan's secretary of Defense Manage to salvage Apollo sixteen and Seventeen Apollo eighteen was at one time targeted for the massive spectacular terrace crater named Copernicus <music> Apollo nineteen fell the budget cuts as well. One of its potential landing sites was the most spectacular formation on the entire moon tyco who's brilliant white rays of ejecta spread out for a thousand miles in in every direction but none of this was to be apollo seventeen would be humanities last trip to the moon so far one zero we have we have and I hear Kennedy Space Policy Seventeen also brought the most bitter disappointment of the entire Apollo program your go go oh. I'm not talking about mission. Pala seventeen was the most spectacular success of the mall but for yours truly by now all of thirteen years old and just three weeks short of that I telescope when Apollo Thirteen launched on December seventh nineteen seventy-two well that night turned out to be the single most bitter disappointment of my entire life apollo seventeen was not the last flight of a Saturn five but it was the first and only night launch of the world's biggest Roman candle and I set up a hotel manager. You're still living in Bermuda was going to be directly under it. When it dropped its first stage in an explosion of light in favor so there I sat outside? The House. Waiting was scheduled for liftoff around ten PM A._M.. Eastern time which would make it eleven pm local time in Bermuda. I think I got set up around nine thirty. I wasn't going to miss this. No Way I sat watching the western horizon is lift off time approach. I did never radio in the Internet was still thirty years in the future that was sure about the launch time so I waited and when launch time came and went I thought there must be some kind of launched lay so I waited some more alone with my mom and dad attending an Apollo Seventeen party at the hotel which was just about quarter mile away and then I waited some more got to be so desperate that I would see a decent airplane and wonder if I hadn't oversold myself I waited until about eleven thirty and then I waited till midnight and then I waited into one A._M.. which was the latest I'd ever been up now? Having a launch scrubbed wasn't all that uncommon I just get the new launch date in the newspaper. The next day and I just prayed be another night launch so I packed up my chair and my sleeping bag and my drinks and my snacks and I went to bed actually I I went to the bathroom. I was utterly convinced that going to relieve myself would be what actually triggered the apollo seventeen launch sequence so I went to bed that night disappointed certainly but hardly crushed as woken up about an hour later by my mother. I remember her exact words. She said Billy. Wasn't that simply unbelievable. That was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. What was the most beautiful thing you've ever seen and right? At that instant I could feel my internal organs withering integrates as it slowly began to dawn on me the horrible truth of what it actually happened daylight here at Kennedy Space Center with that and five and moving the pad after after delay of two and a half hours Apollo Seventeen cleared the PAT at twelve thirty three A._M.. Eastern Standard Time that would be about one thirty three in the morning where I was about fifteen minutes after I'd fallen asleep now. I knew I'd fallen asleep during launch because my Mama told me that it had been bright enough to turn night into day and I'm sure I would remembered something like that. You know I think that was the moment I had my first genuine adult thought and that was this there are some things that happen open and they can't happen no matter how much you want them to it was over it was done. I missed it period. The end still not over it. Now as I said Apollo oh seventeen was simply a magnificent mission gene cernan who've flown to within ten miles of the moon back on politics final rehearsal finally got his chance he would be the eleventh man to walk on the moon and he'd be the last man to leave it joining him on the lunar surface. It was Apollo's only full-time scientists geologist Harrison Schmitt known as Jack he was rotated to Apollo seventeen when it was finally clear that this was going to be the last chance to get an actual geologist on the moon he'd be the fourth person it in a row to make their one and only trip into space for walk on the Moon Atlanta Georgia. That's super would ride the last lunar module challenger to a truly spectacular landing spot the Taurus Latro valley they would set challenger down on a small plateau surrounded by towering peaks the south massive the north massive east massive and the sculptured hills from there they would strike out in three directions three separate rover excursions one for each day. They spent on the moon now during those three days Pala Seventeen would break pretty much every record in the longest time spin on the moon longest moon walks largest collection of lunar samples and most time spent in Lunar Orbit Ron Evans would get a chance to see the earth rise above the moon seventy five times out just as they were getting into their rover for the first V._A.. cernan accidentally knocked one of the fenders off career of the rover. Now this wasn't as trivial as it sounded in the vacuum of the lunar surface where desperate like water the wire Mesh rear tyres might throw up enough dust to make driving the rover impossible a couple of laminated moon charts kind bent to an arc and duct tape to the rear wheel pretty much solved that problem and so off they went the leme sending back real time images as they bounded over the hills carefully skirting small craters with the orange fenders the continual bumps in jars in the plane euphoric fun when the lamb was in motion on apollo seventeen felt more like a dukes of hazzard episode than a scientific expedition and parenthetically. May I just add if you're gonNA fake the moon landing adding. I'm not entirely sure why driving twelve miles in a buggy sending back live footage. It'd be something you really WanNa. Do you guys I've found that. Let me tell you about this. Flag at the beautiful picture at pitiful now Jack Schmitt was a top notch geologist but whether or not that had anything to do with it he certainly seemed to fall down a lot time and again he just pitched face forward onto the surface sprays August flying through the air like water through Garden Sprinkler at times. They seemed almost giddy. These two men they actually broke into song together on the Moon One day but Jack Schmitt earned his pay on that mission as a geologist it was his trained is that a small patch of color among the subtle shades of gray and Beige Ari file it go over it was orange soil alright burnt orange appropriately enough when later analyzed scientists discovered that this orange soil was the result of an Ancient Fire Fire Fountain on the Moon Best Estimate is that three point six four billion years before a volcanic eruption on the then act of moon blue millions of drops of lava into the lunar vacuum which cooled rapidly into very fine almost circular grains. What will we have found? I wonder if Congress and the president hadn't been so shortsighted. What might we have seen walking inside the world's biggest football stadium the sixty mile wide two and a half Mile Deep Taras Prater called Copernicus the meteorite that made the crater tyco hit hard enough to send plumes of white subsurface material halfway around the moon? We didn't get to see now earlier earlier. I spent a little time on a photo of Neil Armstrong his face reflecting the joy and relief of meeting the challenge that President Kennedy had set for the nation. It was the look of a man who'd been I to walk on another planet. There's a similar picture of gene cernan the last man to walk on the most famous one is him smiling after their final moonwalk but the one I like best has Cernan well off to the side in fact is is our kind of bit out of folks. He doesn't have the intensity that Armstrong's picture showed. It probably because after three days of working on the moon he'd gotten a bit used a things but here's the thing I love about that picture. In the center there are two space helmet CERNAN's with the commanders red stripe and Schmitz all white helmet beside it both helmets what's arresting on a pile of filthy grace space suits that are packed tightly into a corner of the lamb obviously taken later than the picture in the suit Cernan is now wearing what appears to be a pair of similarly filthy long johns if it weren't for the heart monitors is just visible inside his collar. You'd think he'd come out of a West Virginia Coal Mine and that is what so impresses me with that image Cernan space is absolutely black. He looks exactly like a coal miner at the end of along shift that face and those filthy suits had originally been so spotlessly white when the entered the command module America that they look almost sterile clean enough to operate in which means that all of that Brian Dirt every microscopic a great it was moon-dust humans have been staring up the moon since before they became humans both Russia and America had been in such a mad risky and expensive race to get some of this precious stuff back to the earth by the time the Apollo program had been cut short there was so much moon-dust on Cernan's and Schmitz faces. There's no question from Jean Cernan's expression that what he wanted most from the lunar soil that they've been collecting was a long hot shower to wash all of it I nine three through one isn't that good and that was the end of the Paul. All people worked hard. Put it there and put every other crew here and the country faith and man-kai something different there was managed to salvage some of the remaining hardware. One of the three remaining Saturn fives had its third stage hollowed out and heavily modified it alone among her fourteen sisters lifted off without the familiar taper of the command and service modules beneath the spike of the emergency escape tape tower <hes> because of those modifications that last Saturn five reminded you a lot of the c eight Nova that beefier even larger rocket that had never been built you see in a last ditch effort to keep the space program together while the space shuttle was being developed NASA had managed to convince Congress of something new Skylab. They called America's first space station. There's a full-scale copy of it in the Smithsonian Erin Space Museum standing beneath it. It seems absolutely ludicrous that something that enormously large could ever get off the ground and of course that was just the top stage the bulk of the Saturn five massive first and second stages why out at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of Florida Boorda the ruins of thirteen first stages of the most powerful rocket ever built why pretty close to one another in the deep and Cold Atlantic the thin outer skins of the rocket and the delicate fuel tanks were shattered into pieces when they impacted the water but the five F. One engines that lifted all of it a second and third stages the command and service module the two stage lamb the solid rocket motors on the top of the escape tower and especially especially all of the fuel needed to hurl those men and that equipment to the surface of the moon and bring those crews back safely every single person that ever flew into Saturn five came home in one piece the whole awe inspiring firing three hundred sixty foot long six and a half million pounds of it each one of those f. one engines still the most powerful engine ever built turned out to be pretty sturdy. If you take thirteen successful <music> southern five launches each with five main engines of peace he come to the realization that there are sixty five of those huge magnificent monsters out there lying on the floor of the Atlantic each one of them with an exhaust spell large enough for Verner Bond Brown to stand in arms raised above his head jump as high as he could and not have any chance of touching the other side now skype had some serious problems one of the solar arrays tore loose on deployment and a heat shield went with it leaving the station with a huge loss of electrical power Anna toasty two hundred degree Fahrenheit Interior eleven days later the first man mission arrived commanded by Apollo Twelve veteran Pete Conrad the third man to walk on the Moon one zero we have launched amid and we have lift off the clock is running and Scott has cleared the tower their Apollo capsule launched by the ever reliable. If half size Saturn one be kind of lifted off from what looks like a babies high chair actually made an extensive inspection as they flew around the crippled station Skylab looked like a piece of space junk. Frankly there's a tangle of wires. Were one of the two main solar panels supposed to be just been simply ugly ripped away during the flight raw exposed Metal Looking Kinda rusted without the missing heat protection panel was lining one side of the station and then on the other side the other main solar panel was just barely deployed like a bird and with a folded wing it appeared to be completely unsalvageable but turns out there was a little of that Apollo spirit still left in the bag Conrad and his crew made eight attempts at docking with Skylab. All of them failed so the crew got into their pressure suits they disassembled the docking probe but a few things here added a few things they're put it back together again and then tried again turns out this time it worked now. It was still literally an oven in in there but an engineer named Jack Kinzler known throughout NASA as Mr Fix it had as usual come up with brilliant solution he designed a highly reflective parasol which when collapsed could be pushed out through a science access hatch now when extended the covered almost all of the exposed surface and dropped the temperature down to manageable levels although every picture of Skylab ever taken after this fix looks like there's a homeless man who pitched a rough of canvas tent for him to crawl under next the crew suited up again the exited the station and armed with long levers they began to work at the jammed solar panel like sailors armed with harpoons dismembering Awale the panel Hannele eventually pop free and though still missing an entire bank of solar panels Skylab was at last open for Business Conrad and his crew remained aboard for Twenty eight days his lunar module pile on Apollo Twelve Allen being the man who burned out the T._v.. Camera led the second mission to Skylab they remain there for sixty days while the third and final crew extended that stay to eighty four days but as its orbit decayed it was clear that this massive hunk of metal oh that went up was about to come back down again ensue while naturally media frenzy ensued people hawked hats and t shirts with target bullseyes on them and Skylab repellent came with the money back guarantee. Should it fail to keep the space hey station from falling on your head and then on orbit number thirty four thousand nine hundred eighty one skylab returned to earth and spectacular fireball landing not too far from Perth Australia on July eleventh of Nineteen seventy-nine. Just a few today's short of the tenth anniversary of the Moon Landing. It's actually rather a route reply to the town that had turned on all of the lights it had to welcome John Glenn orbiting above in friendships seven back in nineteen sixty two and then on July Fifteenth Nineteen seventy five the last Apollo mission had the last Apollo capsule ride the last Apollo rocket the final Saturn one be into orbit Toronto with the two men Soviet Soyuz launched seven hours hours earlier launch. Come in we have a lift off all engine building up. I was at Cape County for them. Much detente relaxation had arrived arrived as the former space race adversaries shook hands in orbit d.c slate who'd become the only mercury seven astronaut to not fly emission due to medical reasons finally got his ride sixteen years later the man who almost almost single-handedly determined who was going to fly what and when for so many years died of a brain tumor in June of Nineteen Ninety three he was sixty nine years old now of course you've got to put together the American docking system with the Russian docking system. They're not the same and that creates an engineering problem and political problem. Engineering problem is very simple to solve the political problem is both sides want to be the docker and neither side wants to be the Dokki so the engineers create this kind of three pedaled flower that goes together in such a way that just by looking at it. No one can really tell who's doing the pitching and who's doing the catching and and then finally came the spatial now I only have one thing to say about the one hundred and thirty five individual missions flown by five vehicles between April of Nineteen eighty-one and July of two thousand eleven originally designed to be flown aloft on a mand carrier aircraft and to be capable of landing and returning to space from any airport found in any major city the space shuttle like Apollo the slowly dismembered by budget cuts more and more cost cutting designed designed band AIDS and jury rigs had to be implemented just to keep the program alive seven astronauts died when Challenger exploded seventy two seconds into its final flight on January twenty eighth nineteen eighty six and seven more perished on February I two thousand and three when Columbia disintegrated on reentry but the space shuttle itself didn't kill either of those crews bandaids killed the burn through the rings on one of the solid rocket boosters destroyed challenger and it was the recently installed more environmentally friendly insulating foam from the external tank that came loose and punched a hole in the leading edge of Colombia's swing dooming that crew as well. Neither the solid rocket boosters nor the external tank had been present in that original elegant design but worse much worse was the fact that both shuttled disasters like the Apollo one fire had come with plenty of warning the Apollo. One crew knew that the block one Apollo capsule was a lemon if not a death trap burn through on the s R._B.'s had happened on multiple flights prior to challenge final mission an foam had been repeatedly observed coming off of the external tank before a chunk finally hit Columbia. This wasn't the NASA I grew up with and loved so dearly by the time we get to the space shuttle NASA was run by an army of managers and bureaucrats not test pilots and engineers watching NASA spend thirty years going round and round in the same circles that John Glenn traced in his phone booth sized capsule back in nineteen sixty two was kind of like a long slow divorce from someone you had truly and deeply loved go ahead and break your heart and then they promised to change never do it again and they would change for a while and then those old self destructive habits would return earn and they break your heart again and you'd forgive him again and then the new promises slowly became broken once more slow when Columbia disintegrated over Texas. I was finally done with the agency whose curbing Becker logo I at hand doodle hundreds it looked like the space age and everything it represented was dead and gone but then in two thousand and three another one of my lifelong heroes brought back that feeling revolutionary pollution-free aircraft designer Burt Rutan who says disgusted with the slow pace of the last thirty years as I was burt decided that if NASA wasn't GonNa make an effort he's going to have to do it himself. Burt set up a meeting with Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen who wrote a check two birds company scaled composites burden his team then went out and built not just a space vehicle but an entire launch they had ground crew simulators static rocket engine test the whole Shebang he was aiming for a suborbital flight not two different really from the one that ham took burt had run up against the same problem that the three hundred and seventy five thousand people who'd form the core of the space race had already encountered in that problem is this you want a nice slick spacecraft to minimize minimized drag on the way up but you want something as Draghi and block his possible on the way down that high drag would keep the heat within reasonable limits. Now's IT turns out the only thing Burt Rutan could not design and build old is a box big enough for him to think outside of he took that slick aircraft he carried it to altitude aboard a winged mothership the way God intended and then he lived that candle and watched to go up like a dart spatial one went up just fine but this being burt Rutan that was not the end of the story on this mission at the top of the Parabola as it experienced three or four minutes of weightlessness Kinda ran out a momentum burt made the design of spaceship one rake itself in in half you just bent the rear of the ship at right angles to the main body and that meant that while it went up twenty and I it came down flat as a pancake birt's lifelong friend Mike Melville a naturalized U._S.. A citizen from South Africa would stop by Mojave airport spend a few hours asking a few questions about his new experimental airplane the very easy to Mike wanted to build they hit it off so mike never left in his wife. Sally moved to California California Test Flying Birds Designs on July twenty first two thousand four Mike Melville age sixty four dropped from the white knight carrier aircraft ignited the solid rocket engine and hand flu that Little Star spangled beauty into by God outer space that made him the four hundred and thirty fourth person to make that trip and get his astronaut wings but he was the first commercial astronaut in history. You know I watched Apollo Thirteen lift off from about twenty miles away at Cape Canaveral when White Knight taxi past with spaceship one hanging underneath I ran forward from friends hanger like everybody else did and I gave him a thumbs up and I touched the wingtip as it went past Mike Melville had opened a window was waving a small American flag that particular space mission long to all of us and it's the signal honor of my life to become personal friends with both Mike Novel and Bert Rutan no my all time favorite picture myself was taken after my first ride in one of Burt Rutan's long easy experimental aircraft but spaceship one was fifteen years ago Virgin Galactic took over the program and they have yet to fly their first passengers people. My Age can get pretty cranky with this generation of millennials when we're talking about the space age and we're cranky because I should have been doing this fiftieth anniversary special from Saturday. That's why some people today people weren't around to see what we saw dismissed. The whole thing is either a fake or fluke like it was some kind of phantasm an intermission from history. They don't really get it it. It's not entirely their fault. They weren't there but we didn't make any of it up and it wasn't a pipe dream. There's lags on the moon the first which was planted half a century ago and as we record this only four of the twelve men that walked on the mooner still with us one of them is Buzz Aldrin Dr Rendezvous could do the orbital mechanics in his head was it had some problems after after Apollo eleven but who wouldn't just think about it for a minute you work your entire life to do the toughest thing ever accomplished and then you do it and then you come home. You're thirty nine years old just walked on them now. What what are you going you do for the next fifty years? Now as I write this buzzes still sprightly and as enthusiastic spaceflight is always an eases full of passion as he was during the greatest moment of the Post Apollo era when he got sick and tired of being repeatedly pestered by some lunatic who called this American hero a Liar Anna Coward and Apollo Eleven Command pilot. Mike Collins is still with this as well at least as late as June of two thousand nineteen Apollo fifteen commander Dave Scott who nearly died before Neil Armstrong could recover the out of control juvenile eight mission is still with us so as Charlie Duke from Apollo Sixteen and so as Jack Schmitt the man who saw the orange soil on the surface of the Moon Duke and Schmidt are the youngest of the Moon Walkers and each one of them are eighty three years old America may be the country that got bored with go into the moon but it is an astonishing thing really that virtually every single one of the men that walked on the moon died of old-age. Neil Armstrong went West on August twenty fifth two thousand twelve. I was driving driving down the one eighteen freeway. When I heard the news on the radio after Apollo Neil retired to private life teaching engineering at Purdue University but the most remarkable aspect of this most remarkable man was not as courage judge his intellect or as dedication it was his humility for many many years after Apollo Eleven Neil Armstrong personally wrote a letter to every single eagle scout twin that title that he had shared as a boy he originally was very generous with his autograph until he heard that people were selling counterfeit copies online at which point he became very protective of signing anything at all but Mike Melville got his signature twice favorite story about Neil Armstrong comes from one of the very few times he found himself tangled up in unpleasant? He's he threatened to sue someone. It threatened to sue his barber. Actually he threatened to sue him because unbeknownst to kneel the barber had sold locks of his hair and meet about three thousand dollars off Armstrong demanded that he gives that money to charity and he got his way NASA has had hundreds of different mission patches over the years but the one for Apollo eleven is one of a kind that patch an eagle about the touchdown on the lunar surface the olive branch of peace in its talents is the only mission logo ever to not name that was something you personally demanded to his dying gay. He maintained that everything they had done they had done as a team and as a nation great men do great things immortal men do great things with humility and charity and grace to me. He was the greatest man to ever live. He made me more than proud to be an American Neil Armstrong B._B.. Proud to be a human being one last thing when I heard that cheering in central park on that warm night of July twentieth nineteen sixty nine. I said that I wouldn't hear a sound like that again for forty nine years last year I was watching the first flight of Elon Musk's falcon heavy outside the control room a huge crowd of people almost all of them in their twenties and thirties had gathered at spacex to watch the launch live four three two sound they made when it cleared the patents tremendous the roar they made at for stage separation was heartwarming but when those two booster rockets dropped simultaneously into the frame to land on pillars of fire the sound that came out of that roomful of millennials was exactly the sound. I heard that might in central park. It's a different five this time less tense more fun. You know you launch a candy apple red convertible complete with space suited Mannequin David Bowie on the radio and don't panic from the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy on the navigation screen while you're not just doing something that the Chinese the Russians Europeans and even NASA couldn't do what you do in is you're having a blast any company with the mid Atlantic target barge named of course forces still love is going to pick up the Apollo Fire and run with it company like that is going to land on Mars now right after those twin boosters landed a twentysomething friend of mine texted me and said this was our moon landing. I respectfully disagree. Landing on Mars will be you're moving. The young engineers technicians at SPACEX are going to do it and we apollo kids contrary to what we all thought just five years ago are GonNa live to see it to to those young people out there. Let me just say this. You're great grandfathers went to the moon using slide rules genius and guts out pass tranquility base. There's more orange soil waiting for you. You've people my age have been waiting for fifty years for someone to go further than we did so we apollo kids who dare you to go to Mars. We doubled their. Are you an Apollo eleven what we saw for new and as for me. I'm your host and writer of this program Bill. Thank you so much for giving me a chance to you. Tell you about those amazing years that I got a chance to live through and thank you very much for joining us for Apollo Eleven what we saw Apollo eleven what we saw is written and presented by Bill Whittle produced by Robert Stirling directed by Jonathan. Hey Executive Producer Jeremy Boring are supervising producer is mathis glover and our technical producer is Austin Stevens post production producer Alex Zinn Garowe story producer Jared ciccio edited aided by Philip Lachey and go gye audio recorded by Mike Cora Meena audio mixed by Patrick Joyner and Mike Coral Meena graphics by Coal Holloway and Anthony Gonzales Clark designed by Cynthia and Gulu production assistance.

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