17 Burst results for "Gulf Of Tonkin"

"gulf tonkin" Discussed on 77WABC Radio

77WABC Radio

06:02 min | 2 weeks ago

"gulf tonkin" Discussed on 77WABC Radio

"Juliet to states of tremendous interest one. We're going to talk about later in Nevada. Which has the same rules as New Jersey. Everyone had a vote by mail in ballot. You didn't have a choice. The ballots got mailed to you. Plus, Nevada has what nobody else has. None of the above. You would be surprised. I'd like to know how many, none of the above Sze. Well, you remember Harry Reid, right course despised by Republicans loved by Democrats. So 1998 he's running for reelection against John Anson. Man. It's 428 votes. They give him the U. S Senate seat That's really close, right? There were 8125 people in that U S Senate race who voted none of the above So we go. We'll figure it out because everyone's talking about dead bodies voting people out to stay voting in Nevada, But nobody has brought up the fact that there is another way you can vote for President. None of the above. Which is exclusive on ly to the state of Nevada. Why would you? I mean, why wouldn't you just leave it blank? It's not like you're being forced to actually make it a protest for. Yeah. Saying, Screw the school of the You know the main kind candidates with third Party candidate school y'all, but they will get today like that's the anarchy. Yeah. Pennsylvania. We have so many listeners who live in Pennsylvania and obviously they were part of this historic vote. If you were a supporter of Joe Biden and one of the reasons you supported him in the Democratic primary process, because there was so many candidates and what about 17? Was because you kept saying, Look, I know I understand. Joe's got his limitations. But he is the on Ly one who consistently in poll after poll of every Democrat. Beats Donald Trump in Pennsylvania. There may be nothing else that we can say about Joe Biden, but he can beat Trump in Pennsylvania and as ghost Pennsylvania. So goes the country. At least that's the thinking. And apparently, that mentality may well have played out because now the write in ballots in being counted, most of them now from Philadelphia County, the last to process their write in ballots. Is weighing heavily in Biden's favor. He's nudge past President Trump And if you just look at the areas we're writing ballots have yet to be counted. It doesn't look promising. Although we're talking razor thin, less centered percent that will separate them, right. I don't know. In the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania of a Kennedy can ask for a recount. When it's less than 1% like in Wisconsin, you're guaranteed to recount if you ask for it if the margin of difference is less than 1%, so we will see about anyway. Love to hear from people in Pennsylvania. You know that ST a hell of a lot better than you. Are I because we just were into Lopez. You know occasionally? Yeah, we look from the outside so interesting. The Keystone State. The number is 1 808 for a W A B C. That's 1 808 for 89 to 2 to. Biden has announced that he will address the nation tonight s o. We should definitely hear something from him. Also last night, and we're going to talk about this. Ah, remarks that the president made the 17 minutes of just utter chaos. You know, he, at one point said I was winning and all of the key locations by a lot, but that our numbers started to miraculously you know, get whittled away. There's no basis for saying that the fact is that his leads were eroded because the mail in ballots, which were overwhelmingly in favour of Biden were being counted after the the in person voting. So I mean, that's that's why you saw that Republicans chose To show up at the polls. Democrats decided to vote by mail, Biden told them vote by mail, Trump told them his supporters don't vote by mail and that's what you're saying. But it was 17 managed whether you agree with the president this year. We'II surprise, innit? CNN carried it full as the Fox News Channel, not MSNBC. And not the three networks ABC, CBS NBC. They cut him off. We'll play that cut later. I'm very I'm conflicted about that, because I understand. I think it's important. For America, especially at a time like this to see the president speaking and hear his remarks, But by the same token, he was literally saying things that are absolutely not true. Which the president of United States can't lie. You can't get up there and just lie. Excuse me. I remember LBJ speaking to the nation talking about the Gulf Tonkin situation. It never took place that got us into the Vietnam War. I remember watching that is a kid show man don't know theater means would do that. We gotta kick to us. 55 million dead bodies later president say they always lie Come on, like the Curtis, but I mean, this is a he's telling. He's literally saying Black is white. And you know, white is black. I mean, it's this is All the things you were saying about corruption in front. There's no validation. There's no proof. He's saying it, too. He's saying it to create chaos. That's not what we should be doing right now. This is a democracy. Oh, to be honest, the only chaos we've seen in the streets not by any mental chaos, most resemble no trump supporters have taken to the streets. It's not You can say G Wiz in Harrisburg surrounded the state capital. They started firing shots into the rotunda should've just like the president say what he had It's day and then afterwards shaken Jono. Based on our analysis there, we'll have the responses from some of the CNN anchors were just absolutely priceless..

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"gulf tonkin" Discussed on The Cold War: What We Saw

The Cold War: What We Saw

03:48 min | 7 months ago

"gulf tonkin" Discussed on The Cold War: What We Saw

"Creighton. Abrams got half a chance. To turn the war from attrition to maneuver but only half of one. Us forces number five hundred forty three thousand one knicks took office in nineteen sixty nine by June of Nineteen seventy-two Vietnamese. Ation had reduced that to a mere forty nine thousand less than a tenth of what Abrams had started with. He launched a plan to aggressively pursue the NBA all their way to their basis and supply lines in Cambodia with the goal of rolling up the Communist forces. All the way back to Hanoi but the ARVIN forces poorly trained and badly demoralized. Were simply not up to the judge. Many have wondered what the outcome of the Vietnam War might have been had creighton. Abrams launched his offensive with. Us forces two or three years earlier. There were peace negotiations but they've been dragging on for years with Hanoi stalling dragging. Its feet hoping to simply outweight the Americans on Tuesday November Seventh Nineteen seventy-two Richard Nixon was reelected in a blowout defeating Democrat. George McGovern. With a tally of five hundred twenty electoral votes to the Democrats Seventeen. It was the biggest win in Republican Party history but it was a record that wasn't going to stand for very long with the election win safely in his pocket. Nixon decided to try something that had not been tried in the entire ten year history of the American presence in Vietnam Unlike Operation Rolling Thunder Operation Linebacker which were aimed at interdicting enemy forces in the field on December Eighteenth. Nineteen seventy two. The United States launched linebacker to the full scale bombing of the North Vietnamese capital of Hanoi. And it's only major seaport Haiphong for the first time. During the entire Vietnam Conflict America decided to fight the war as if it meant it over the course of eleven days. Seven hundred forty one. E fifty sorties were flown dropping fifteen thousand tons of ordnance on eighteen industrial and fourteen military targets. In North Vietnam Navy. Commander James Stockdale had flown one of the four. Us Navy F eight Crusaders against North Vietnamese torpedo boats during the Gulf. Tonkin incident shut down in September of nineteen sixty five. He was the senior naval officer at the infamous prisoner of war camp in Hanway notice. The Hanoi Hilton Stockdale led the resistance to the brutal Vietnamese interogations and was routinely beaten and tortured when he realized that he was to be paraded in front of North Vietnamese cameras for propaganda purposes. Stockdale slit his own scout with a razor blade in order to disfigure himself to discredit any photography when the communist covered his head with a hat stockdale beat himself in the face with a stool until the space was swollen beyond recognition after eight years of torture. Mockery beatings cruelty and humiliation at the hands of his north Vietnamese captors stockdale recalls the change. The came over his guards immediately after the linebacker. Two bombings came to an end overnight. These same guards became polite respectful. Obsequious even they immediately ceased the beatings and started treating the Americans with deference and respect President Richard. Nixon called a halt to offensive operations against North Vietnam on January Fifteenth Nineteen Seventy-three. Eight days later. Hanoi agreed to the terms of the Paris. Peace Accords in four days after that the agreement was signed by both parties in the American war in Vietnam was over. Things would get worse before they got better but the stage was set for the entrance of the three individuals who would together free half.

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"gulf tonkin" Discussed on Caught Offside

Caught Offside

04:24 min | 10 months ago

"gulf tonkin" Discussed on Caught Offside

"Do you have a mailbag? I haven't mailbag? Oh can I before we start the middle but I just thank our fans our listeners. Of course they're amazing. They're just the best they listen in large numbers and listen guys. Leave a review On I tunes be kind or at least attempt to be kind. Follow us on Instagram offsite. Espn at co soccer pot on twitter. And caught offside pod a gmail.com. If you want to get into the mailbox but I love that you tell people to be kind. Because I've seen your behavior on twitter and other other listeners have seen it as well. I know be better. It's shocking at times what you treat people because you're so you're so you're fuses so short. Yeah people say things I think. Oh that's a benign and JJ screaming at the. I'm not really screaming. I do come across way. More snarky than actually mean in my replace dot is definitely true because then read it back and I'm like Oh it's not nice. This is maybe how the world sees you. Maybe this is God's way of telling you we're GONNA start off with Alex Jones in Garth in Colorado Different Alex Jones. Well mainstream media. What isn't going to tell you about this. It's a red flag false flag operation here in the mail bag. No not that Alex Johnson sort of deep state. Okay going back to the Gulf Tonkin. No not that Alex Jones Christ fellas. I was home sick with the flu today. I was watching the spurs relates. That game I need any idea as to why some of the lights players kits had an all white red bull logo while the rest had the regular colored in logo on the front of their shirts. Twitter's just as confused as I am. Well Alex Basically what we're hearing. Is that part of the consignment of jerseys for the game was lost so they had to mix and match what they had of the other. Kate Are you serious? Yeah this is amazing. I actually hadn't heard that. Well it's just the difference between the wound. Red Bull sponsors in white and the other red bull sponsors in color so Julian Edelman actually addressed this and apparently Here's what he said. He said on the way from the hotel. The Kit wasn't complete in the different boxes It wasn't on the bus and that's why there was a bit of a mix up it will certainly be sorted out for the second leg will have the right kit. So they mixed and matched between the colored kit and the and the wicked all right That's I actually didn't even notice that when I was watching I remember. Chelsea turned up at Coventry without their away Kit When she played in Sky Blue Yes. They played in Coventry's awakened at Coventry. I remember gian-franco Zola in this massive jersey. Which was surely meant for Dion Dublin? And Yeah looked a bit weird. Nathan Latro. You guys turned me onto the re watchable. Podcast cheers for that now. I have the ringers job wrecked. Espn competitive. We're doing this small mom and pop organization a favor. I'M NOT GONNA lie. I've been obsessed with. I can't stop listening to it. I learned today actually in the hangover. That Paul Ryan was actually the first choice to play Bradley. Cooper's role and Jack Black was the first choice to play Zach Alpha nine. Oh can see both of that but I think it's right like I. I really think we got it right. Galifianakis is will be a better option. He plays it perfectly I think Jack back would dominate too much. There's a great. Yes that's exactly what said to. I am film savant knowing something to listen to while waiting for a new pod from you to drop and the way it's are often just never know we are obligated to say. Espn has a bevy of other quality content. Absolutely and You should definitely get the ESPN APP and download all of that including ESPN. Which is something you should all have there. We go. I always appreciate your spinoff pods of Andrew. J movie reviews. I think we do that within the podcast. Not The entire podcast. But I really love the damned united the film about Bryant often leads united wondering what your opinions are the Filmar. I think it's really good. Michael Sheen plays Brian Cloth and as we know what we know about Michael Sheen his ability to recreate Brian cloths voice as he's just a brilliant mimic We should player. Brian cloth drop the this. Is Brian Cluff? Fuss Being Ryan Club screening..

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"gulf tonkin" Discussed on Veteran On the Move

Veteran On the Move

06:47 min | 1 year ago

"gulf tonkin" Discussed on Veteran On the Move

"That was focused. More on that and not just entrepreneurship entrepreneurship. It all still kind of feeds up in enrolls up into the same mentality in the same mission of leadership and what we do in in the military and how we take what we've learned in the military and come out into society in the civilian sector in keep carrying on so with me today in in throughout at the duration of this version of on the move. PODCAST is another retired Marine Brigadier General. Tom Brady we're also going to refer to him as sage on this podcast and that may be a little difficult for me because twenty four years in the Marine Corps. I have never called a general anything else. But general or Sir so am I have a little trouble with that once in a while so sage. You're with us here today. Tell us a little bit about what what you did in the Marine Corps. Sure Joe Thank you very much delighted to be here with you. I served three and a half years. Marine Corps was commissioned in June of Nineteen nineteen sixty two from the naval academy and Stayed on the academy for about six months with the training of the incoming plebes et CETERA. Then finally got the basic school join. What was then called the transplant battalion? which was a necessary battalion at that time stationed in Camp Pendleton? Getting Ready to go overseas to Okinawa. Oh a for thirteen months and then would return and then finish. It's thirteen months back straight side for a total of thirty cycle when you include a movement back and forth north by ship in those days so I joined a battalion. We got to Okinawa. Lucky enough to take my platoon in Vietnam. Nineteen sixty four and The early days of Vietnam and then we are also part of the force off the coast in the Gulf Tonkin situation. Their leader in sixty four Came back to camp. Pendleton had become by that time company and then a battalion adjutant. We went back to Vietnam sixty five. I was Then became accompany excess again and took over my company when the company commanders wondered in January sixty six extended my tour to stay with the company. And this was Mike Company three seven from there to Fort Bragg North Carolina whereas instructor for two years at the Army Special Warfare School and then to Fitness Horford school at Quantico runner visors course and then back for third tour genome with the Vietnamese Marines. Sixty nine to seventy ending up in Cambodia and nineteen seventy with the incursion there from there back to the Naval Academy for three year tour then I commanded marine security guards in Europe for two years Spent a year at Leavenworth as a student not a prisoner owner and then joined a battalion again. One five then Overseas plans officer and Okinawa Headquarters Marine Corps Then commanded National War College Went off to Hawaii for three years. Came back to camp. Pendleton commanded the fifth Marines and then became secretary of the General Staff. When I was selected for Brigadier General I then head it was called Defense Management Report Implementation Effort for one one year and then volunteered for desert shield in those days and joined the First Marine Division as assistant division commander for Desert Shield Desert Storm and then ended up as a director of public affairs Also served on the Presidential Commission on the assignment women in the armed forces which gave me an insight into the role of women in the Armed Forces says especially in the Marine Corps and retired at midnight mass of the end of a thirty one December of nineteen ninety two or one January nineteen ninety-three it then went to work for. USAA for ten years. I was a senior vice president. And General Manager there in San Antonio and then in Sacramento on an ended up in Tampa Florida are retired from there and then took over the Medical University Foundation Quantico for a period of butter eleven years I Left there a couple years ago and came back to Tampa and I'm now an adjunct professor at Saint Louis University and also University of South Florida Married to a Marine Sandy. Whose Second Lieutenant? When I was a captain in worried and as I told you the last day that outranked her Three children our oldest Was a navy carrier polit and that was our as our daughter. Laurie who has two children which offer Google our older son? Patrick Navy intelligence eligible officer and now is intelligence analysts and our younger son Ryan With the hospitality rewards business has two two children so luckiest man in the world. All of my dreams came true with a serving in the Marine Corps having wonderful family and Able to talk about it in as a fairly Shirley fit form thank you. That's incredible. Thanks General in Seattle just did it. Thanks have a hard time calling you. Buy Your call sign. But Ah work on it. So sage thirty and a half years in the Marine Corps Marine Corps general ten years at Usaa then the Marine Corps University Foundation Foundation. You move down to Florida. You still don't retire now. You're teaching at two different colleges. Why is it? I think it's dangerous Chris Joe for somebody with our backgrounds are metabolism. Our focus to retire retire folks. I know who have done that. Have a tendency you see to die fairly soon after they retire retire. I think you've got to be stay engaged You know we have so much to offer and so many great youngsters who are out there. Who can who can really benefit from the things that we can share with them? So I think anyone who has things offers we do is almost an obligation allegation to share that with the with the youth of today. You've heard my comment Before society is in trouble when it's elders cross across the street to avoid talking to its youth so now that I'm a youth now that I'm older and older. I crossed the street in order to talk. Talk to the youth whether they want to hear me or not. So that's the reason i. I doubt that I will ever really retire. And how long have you been teaching college classes. Well I really started Eh back when I was working for. USAA back in the late nineties. But then when I Returned here in two thousand fifteen started picking up again so it's been a couple of years now. alwa teaching classes on the mid east modern war Vietnam then also a class I put together of why we fight and how we fight. US wars which which has been a lot lots of area interesting for me..

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"gulf tonkin" Discussed on The Conspiracy Farm

The Conspiracy Farm

13:18 min | 1 year ago

"gulf tonkin" Discussed on The Conspiracy Farm

"When you control the narrative you then can control how people perceive events period the in and people again they have fast food notion in how they watch show for thirty minutes or an hour and they think they know what's up and he just just not how it works? There's there's a lot of you. GotTa Dig Deeper Man. You gotta dig deeper so as you know all the things that we've talked about. We encourage people love do some research proofs wrong. We want you to prove US wrong. We want you to correct us. That's because we're here for the truth. We're not here for we're not. We're not here to to sell you on something that we don't believe Steve is true <hes> until proven wrong. WE'RE GONNA go ahead and continue to say it so that's that's just the way it has but so yeah the anti thing is just as the white the whites the premise in in <hes> gosh what town was Charlottesville where the woman killed by the Guy Driving the dodge charger in the white supremacist were organized by the guy that organized occupy Wall Street great guys are paid operative to only where was that that was Charlottesville Virginia who was the governor of Charlottesville Virginia Terry McAuliffe who was bright one time head of the DNC. His wife received five hundred thousand dollars from the Clintons to run for Senate. I mean in some San Man. It's this chestnut checkers man it again only do historical perspective for me. It's not about being right but only historical perspective do people find out into the ship. We're talking is true in August of sixty four whatever year it was if you would have said the Gulf Tonkin was bullshit nearby crazy man the Commie Vietnamese. That's what they did. They attack the Matic's only through twenty thirty years that we find out that was true and luckily earn historical perspective on our side are untrue so pito game all this stuff. We talked about how deep that goes band. We were called so crazy. People price still think re crazy when you start bringing down cats like Jeffrey Epstein in start hearing about how the steam Weinstein and those are just kind of almost low hanging fruit dude. You Got Prince Edward Fuck in the U._k.. Supposedly the royal family cut their vacation short here in the U._S.. They're supposed to be here for like a month. Once this broke they took off back to England because they know how deep this goes and you know. What would they find out today? They found that girls bones. That's been missing along the Vatican and when they found winning they're they've found more bones of missing people. Come Guard you right yeah and and so that's you know it's it's all why is it all happening now. After trump got elected. Why is that because he gave public speeches saying he was going to do it that human traffickers? We're going to go down that pedophile. We're going to go down that. He wanted the death penalty for them and that's that's that's the way it's GonNa be now James Carol talking about El Chapo <hes> bribing prison guards of the supermax and look El Chapo. I think they got most of his money. They got billions. I know that but I would say this us that El Chapo I wonder if they have waterboarded him yet to find out what's politicians. He paid to stop the border from being <hes> a wall being erected there who was Ted Cruz ten Cruz said use use his dough. They fourteen billion to help build it. It'll build three walls well if we if we could save some of the money from some of these or should wars we could have built a ten times over we could have thrived kinds of shit but that's absolutely store and I get and I get all the the people on the left who say a wall won't do anything <hes> it actually creates funnels and ports of entry <hes> so people can't just walk across the desert and potentially die <hes> it it stops a lot of the people from coming. It saves a lot of lives and I understand that a lot of people here on overstaying visas so I get it. Okay I get it that needs to be cleaned up. Employers need to be a good point. That's a very good point. Employers need to be punished for hiring illegals. You know it is what it is but it's it's got. It's gotta change because there's nowhere else on the planet you can go to illegally ugly and collect fucking welfare. Okay stop it. Stop the insanity. Stop thinking it's okay we cannot save the world by allowing them all the come here that ends up turning our country into a third World Shit all fact well it again. Stop Stop playing checkers and realized the chess game is those millions of people given free shit. How do you think they're gonNA vote? You think they're gonNA vote Republican. They're gonNA vote with the people who've been giving them free. Shit that you are paying for right so again. We're GONNA talk about the sentimentality of that. You and I are paying for right. Let's saying our tax dollars are going to giving these millions of people who breaking the Law Free Shit just so they can vote democratic can we it. Would it be would it be okay of Jeff can save enough of our own money to put our kids in school. Potentially <hes> maybe save enough money for retirement to that'd be fucking awesome. You know you guys born our Sponsors Gentlemen W._W._W.. Berkshire Farm Dot Com plenty of sponsors might Patriot supply butcher boxy four DOT COM chemical-free body. Go check it out bands that helps us keep this operation because we're trying to take the show on the road like we said digitally they have Dave de monetize democratized us. They've a shadow banderas. They've suppressed numbers at seven so what we're trying to do is literally take our physical south to these cities where we know we got great numbers great listenership and then you know they can't fuck with that unless lane. I'd like no no you don't how many how many people would actually show up in the quad cities for us to do a live show with a studio audience. People can ask US questions live I mean I think we could pull it off every week. In the quad cities. I think that people would travel from outside of the quad cities to come to the show off in in my mind but we WANNA take it on the road. WE'RE GONNA BE IN DALLAS Texas. WE'RE GOING TO BE IN DENVER COLORADO. You know we're trying to get all these things done and we're certainly trying to put together a T._v.. Show for net flex or wherever that uh-huh never never burn that bridge you're saying I mean look at Netflix is just a full on I mean it's turned into a propaganda machine now dude unfortunately they signed the obamas to amass of multi-million eighty million dollar deal to produce shows. I believe that they signed the Clintons also to do that. I don't know they're the Clintons. Billy Joel dedicated songs planes in New York a couple of weeks ago booed and building right a good James Thrash chiropractor Branson Missouri Great Guy said come to show in Branson Missouri with the question mark. That's what's up due out at look anywhere man if it if it doesn't make it if the numbers answer there and people are willing to have uh come again. It's the money the revenue is almost secondary to the exchange of ideas on the conversations of in being able to reach out to our listeners in our do I again. I messages from frigging Africa Oho Oh Joe Nigeria Croatia I'll of man. I didn't even know I'll of man existed Ireland Canada Australia. I mean it's absolutely ridiculous. Dude really really humbling but we would love to be able to physically go and shop it up. You know that would just be absolutely Goldie because they can't. They can't stop us from you know they could chat Obama's they can be monetize us they restrict our numbers and access to our shows but they can't keep us from actually going out reaching out to our listeners man they can. They can take us out but I don't. I think that's how well I think one way or another truths coming out it absolutely is it is and that's that's cool to see man. There's there's more and more I mean what we're doing is in some good workman and now the government has gotten involved into the conspiracy game. I forget the name of the show like the conspiracy place or something real wack and lane and they're just tell it's it's it's not genuine. It's not authentic it all and even even outside are you that as we've talked about before this movement the alternative media has been infiltrated like nobody's business. There are so many shows out there lays gentlemen that they're not who they say they are. I know I'm legit. I making millions of dollars. I'm working part time jobs doubles. I mean I'm exhausted. I'm working my ass off do and I'm not I'm not mad at that. I don't mind hard work but I'm just saying there are cats out there who are rising too high levels with some assistance inspect without a doubt and and anything to just credit the Alt- the old media who we what happened with PAT with bloody elbow. That wasn't an accident that was not at all an accident that is a methodical move to try to de-legitimize not just pat of what we talk about on this show. They can't assassinate you physically they will politically and try to de de legitimize your message and it isn't going to work it isn't going to work. I remember number that brings up a a great story one of my friends in high school it was kind of mean me to do but he was. He was being jerk to me in front of his girlfriend trying to show off in front of his girlfriend and I had written <hes> a ten page essay for class so that I was in and he kept going going when you said de-legitimize I I said <hes> I through my favorite outed. Probably I said read that your girlfriend right now and he goes he ripped it might ten in page report that I wrote and took a lot of time on ripped it half through it in my face and said fuck you. I'm not illegitimate and I said that's ill. That's illiterate. No your words man. No your words so yeah. No we got. We gotta throw some comedy man. We got this comedy down then right. Uh Hey baby is spoonful of sugar helps medicine go down. That's what I'm saying. If we come to your town if becomes your stay come to your city. Is that all about fire and brimstone man. Either we laugh about this upper. We cry about it so we have to mix up mixed to a little bit because you know we do have a great time on the show so in a lot of the conversations I have offline with people that we just chop it up. I mean Israel. It's you know we talk serious stuff but we also have a good time Sam Tripoli. He's mastered that due to stand up comic that has done a great great job bringing a lot of this information formation to people blackballed in Hollywood because of it yeah exactly like I said August he's on the road here with Eddie Bravo and extra the G. and I'm going to be introducing those guys so anybody in Saint Louis what's to come out to helium team comedy club. COME CHECK US out. We're going to be ball in Maine and it's going to be fun man. It's not going to be a good time could be very good very good so oregon. I think they add title epsom ahead. No I'm sure once get like Oh yeah but right now no man. I just really wanted to let bring everybody's attention to what happened with the bloody elbow in the late hit piece on my boy and the U._S.. Colby Covington man on twitter with my people's Dude I will go nuclear on your ass at people's alone to leave my people's alone vote that was responsible so there was a low blow so yeah I'm looking forward lawler colby coverage and fight. We won't talk sports on this one but I'm looking forward to. We won't elaborate on that right now. Because this is political will keep that out of it sure but <hes> Don McGuire what pat why don't you do comedy. I do comedy by myself a trip. I fall down yeah. I do Chevy Chase Chevy Chase style impressions of Gerald Ford at fall down a lot. Do stupid stuff. You know that's not yeah we do have a couple. We do have a a couple of locations in Davenport am Bettendorf so we might be lining that up here in the next few weeks quite possibly then there's a there's a comedy club here in town actually that we could probably I think we could probably pull it off so we might WanNa do that. Well even if it's not a company called like I said we have. We have a couple locations. <hes> you know the went up by you and then we have another one we do a couple of cases but we WANNA make sure what does event is serving to kick off Artur on the road but we can't do that unless we honestly have the capital for me. It's GonNa be were basically doing these Passover yet announcing for access T._v.. So it's just basically my plane tickets and might travel. That is the concern until we're going to start to go fun to get the T._v.. You show in our tour up because we're GONNA be filming all of them and getting those up and I think that it's pretty safe to say we'll get those out but even even if it's not the gofundme government support the sponsors go to our online store on the.

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"gulf tonkin" Discussed on KTLK 1130 AM

KTLK 1130 AM

09:59 min | 1 year ago

"gulf tonkin" Discussed on KTLK 1130 AM

"Any Jacobson back with us investigative journalist and author who writes about war weapons US national security in government secrecy, any graduated from Saint Paul school and Princeton University. She was a contributing editor for the then Los Angeles Times magazine from two thousand nine until it closed in two thousand thirteen latest work is surprise kill vanish the secret history of CIA paramilitary armies operators in a sense. You got a home run here any great job. Having me. How did you get this story? Just great to be here. George de realize it. I think I've done every I've been on the show with you for. I think every book I've written sure have and more to come. So you just keep doing it. This book is a big doozy. I mean, when I say that I mean, it's like two full of things that are explosive and also raise real serious moral questions, right? Back in two thousand and nine I was actually writing my area fifty one book, and I was mostly dealing with spies and pilots and engineers, and they source that I knew that. I thought was a federal agent was going to the Middle East. He stopped by my house, and he had with him a number of weapons cases. And he asked me if he could young boys at the time. I boys reality said the boys were very interested in this. And they said could they look at one of them and source was a licensed weapons instructor. So I said that'd be fine. He was on his way to the Middle East. I knew that I didn't know anything else. So he shows the boys this long sniper rifle, and I live up in the hills. In Hollywood end looking through the scope, I could see the veins on the leaf. That's how intense. And the boys were, you know, amazing to gave the whole spiel do this do that safety safety safety. There was one case he never opened George and when my boys went back to playing outside with their GI Joes. I said what's in that case? He opened it up. And there was a very big nice with a serrated edge. And I said what's that for any said, sometimes a job requires quiet? She and I went, okay. And I thought about that George all night. And I thought you know, it really was telling me, and then it became unsettling to me that I was on settled by it because I thought to myself, and this is a moral question. Right. Or like, a like, why did what I could see my source who would who I knew for almost ten years at that point trusted. And I could see him. Okay. He's going to Middle East. Now. I know what he's doing. He's going over there, Taliban al-qaeda, and I could imagine him using that type rifle. But I couldn't imagine and sitting someone's throat or sticking it in their ribs, kill them. And it made me think why do I have such a different reaction between those two forms of killing. They're both killing killing they're both heinous in sometimes unfortunately necessary, if there people out there to try to destroy us. And it really gave me pause. And it took me ten years to report that story and figure out you know, what I learned later not from him. But from a colleague he worked for the CIA paramilitary division, and he worked on the ground in its most lethal element, which is called ground branch. Okay. Now the drone strike that's air branch. Yeah. Also has a wing hold maritime branch. Does you know operations in the water those drone strike just yesterday against some Saudi pipelines in Saudi Arabia and Iran is blaming us saying it's a false flag, which really escalates. This idea of information is information paramilitary operations operation outside the realm of normal warfare. I mean, this is all super interesting stuff to me. I think readers, it's why I wrote surprise vanish. And who do you believe any because you know, on one hand, you wanna believe your government, of course, that they wouldn't even consider doing anything heinous like this. You know, doing false flags and stuff yet. We have history Gulf Tonkin, for example, that got us into the Vietnam war that didn't happen. The way they said it did the enemy. Let's call them right around that is one of our enemy. They know that they are literate in history. And so they do the question would be are they using that against us? You know, or they or do they know? Are there claims? In fact, a continuation of history or are they aware of our history and flipping it, you know, and we don't know. But we do know is that ran has drones and. I remember I think we talked about this before back in two thousand eleven we send the what we call the beast of canned heart that was the new Laki drone and Iran shot it down. That's right. It was a pretty good sized drone too. And it was like, well there goes that little Lockheed contract because once ran has grown, of course, they can reverse engineer. So, you know, if I'm gonna take one step even further I'm surprised all the Gary powers into that Iran that someone didn't produce maybe they will so to grass of the drone. And what if it is an American drone? And then you can say whichever side you're on. Oh, well, that's Iran, reverse engineering our own I I know that governments need to do things that the Americans and the Russian by citizens and Chinese citizens aren't aware of a first survival purposes these things are necessary, sometimes unfortunate. But I think they have to happen in you know, when we were looking at your work on the secret history of the CIA and the paramilitary armies on one hand, you go on my God. How could they have this? But then on the other hand any you kind of say. It's necessary. Where do you stand on that? That is a great question that is. And that is what I think making. That's what makes reading history certainly me writing reporting and researching history, and I hope readers reading history in gauged because this is a question that does not that does not end. Okay. But I think it was said back actually by a review of my book where he said because you brought up the word necessary evil, right evil, and they review actually said they said, this is a book about 'cause they were talking about how I I interviewed firsthand sources that is my forte. I get in with the men who do these operations, I traveled with them. I main character Billy while, you know, we we we go places we spend time together. I interview them at my trying to get that the reviewers said was this is a book about necessary evil, but what anti does is. She chose the men who do. These deeds are not necessarily evil, and they definitely didn't start out that way. You know, it big. It's a big puzzle. Because you know, are the guys that work for the CIA paramilitary operations. What I find super interesting about a lot of this is that most of them are older. Okay there. Yeah. Everage operator that I interviewed and I interviewed forty two of them. They were in their fifties. That's hold for Reiter. From what say five six years ago? Okay. But that forty five now Billy long, my main character he was in Libya going after Qaddafi at age eighty two. I mean his cover was that. He was an old, man. And he's he began Afghantistan. The day, you know, a week after nine eleven age seventy two. Goes for all kinds of people who have all kinds of experience. And that it interesting because these are top tier one performers. Maybe they were Delta's before seals Green Bay. They go over to the CIA to join the paramilitary area army after they retire from their work in special operations. How many members do you think are in the spare ability unit? It's hard numbers. They are very secretive about but after nine eleven the CIA went and led the war in Afghanistan. That's really known by a very few. But not alone not known by a lot working intend with our military or the on their own. Yes. Okay. So right after nine eleven. TIAA sent this is one of the very few numbers. I actually got from a from a source on the record. They see I sent a hundred and fifteen of its guys that's not a lot. No. That's not stay with us any. We'll talk more about it. And really get into your work surprise, kill vanish any Jacobson with us. And we'll.

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"gulf tonkin" Discussed on 600 WREC

600 WREC

10:49 min | 1 year ago

"gulf tonkin" Discussed on 600 WREC

"Tonight. Any Jacobson back with us investigative journalist and author who writes about war weapons US national security in government secrecy, any graduated from Saint Paul school and Princeton University. She was a contributing editor for the then Los Angeles Times magazine from two thousand nine until it closed in two thousand thirteen latest work is surprise kill vanish the secret history of CIA paramilitary armies operators in assassins. You've got a home run here. Any great job. Thank you so much for having me. How did you get this story? Oh my God. First of all. It's just great to be here. George de realized that I think I've done every I've been on the show with you for I think every book I've written. Yes, you sure have and more to come. So you just keep doing it. This book is a big duty. I mean, when I say that I mean, it's like full of things that are explosive and also raise real serious moral questions right back in two thousand nine I was actually writing my area fifty one book, and I was mostly dealing with spies and pilots and engineers, and they source that I knew that. I thought was a federal agent was going to the Middle East. He stopped by my house, and he had with him a number of weapons cases. And he asked me if he could young boys at the time, I boy three young. And he said. The boys were very interested in this. And they said they look at one of the gun and the source was a licensed weapons instructor. So I said that'd be fine. He was on his way to the Middle East. I knew that I didn't know anything else. So he shows the got the boys this long sniper rifle, and I live up in the hills in Hollywood and looking through the scope, I could see the veins on the leaf. That's how intense go plus and the boys were, you know, amazing gave the whole spiel do this do that safety safety safety. There was one case he never opened George and when my boys went back to playing outside with their GI Joes. I said what's in that case he opened it up? And there was a very big nice with a serrated edge. And I said what's that for? And he said sometimes a job requires quiet. And I went, okay. And I thought about that George all night. And I thought you know, it really was unsettling to me. And then it became unsettling to me that I was on second by it because I thought to myself, and this is a moral question. Right. Or like, a like, why did what I could see my source who would who I knew for almost ten years at that plan, trusted, and I could see him. Okay. He's going to Middle East. Now. I know what he's doing. He's going over there. Taliban, Al Qaeda, and I could imagine him using that type rifle. But I couldn't imagine him sitting someone's throat or sticking it in their ribs to kill them. And it made me think why do I have such a different reaction between those two forms of killing. They're both killing the both going they're both heinous. And sometimes unfortunately necessary if there are people out there to try to destroy us. Exactly. And it really gave me, and it took me ten years to report that story and figure out you know, what I learned later not from him. But from a colleague he worked for the CIA as paramilitary division, and he worked on the ground in its most lethal element, which is called ground branch. Okay. Now the drone strikes. That's air branch. Yeah. He I also has a wing hold maritime branch does you know operations in the water those drone strike just yesterday against some Saudi pipelines in Saudi Arabia and a ran is blaming us saying it's a false flag, which really escalates. This idea of information this information paramilitary operations operation outside the realm of normal warfare. I mean, this is all super interesting stuff to me. I think readers it's why I wrote surprise heels on it. And who do you believe any because you know, on one hand, you wanna believe your government, of course, that they wouldn't even consider doing anything heinous like this. You know, doing false flags and stuff yet. We have history Gulf Tonkin, for example, that got us into the Vietnam war that didn't happen. The way they said it did and the enemy. Let's call them right around not is one of our enemy. They know that they are literate in history. And so they know the question would be are they using that against us? You know, or they or do they know are there claims? In fact, a continuation of history or are they aware of our history and flipping it, you know, and we don't know. But what we do know is that ran has drones. And I remember we talked about this before back in two thousand eleven we sent the. What we called the beast of canned heart that was the new Lockheed drone. That's right. It was a pretty good sized drone too. And it was like, well there goes that whole Lockheed contract because once ran has grown, of course, they can reverse engineer. So, you know, if I'm gonna take one step even further I'm surprised, I'll all the Gary powers incident that are ran that someone didn't produce and maybe they will photograph of the drone. And what if it is an American drone? And then you can say whichever side you're on. Oh, well, that's Iran, reverse engineering our room. I I know that governments need to do things that the Americans and the Russian citizens and Chinese citizens aren't aware of a first viable purposes. These things are necessary, sometimes unfortunate, but I think they have to happen. And you know, when we were looking at your work on the secret history of the CIA and the paramilitary armies on one hand, you go on my God. How could they have this? But then on the other hand any you kind of say. It's necessary. Where do you stand on that? That is a great question that is. And that is what I think making. That's what makes reading history certainly me writing reporting and researching history, and I hope readers reading history in gauged because this is a question that does not that does not end. Okay. But I think it was said back actually by a reviewer of my book where he said 'cause you brought up the necessary evil, right or evil and the review actually said they said this is a book about. Because they were talking about how I I interviewed firsthand sources that is my forte. I get in with the men who do these operations, I traveled with them. I main character Billy? Well, you know, we we we go places we spend time together. I interview them at my trying to get that reviewers said was this is a book about necessary evil, but what anti does is. She shows the men who do these deeds are not necessarily evil, and they definitely didn't start out that way. You know, it's a big it's a big puzzle. Because you know, are the guys that work for the CIA paramilitary operations. What I find super interesting about a lot of this is that most of them are older. Okay. Like there the average operator that I interviewed and I interviewed forty two of them. They were in their fifties. That's hold for operator for. Talking about operations from let's say five six years ago. Okay. But that forty five now Billy long, my main character he was in Libya going after Qaddafi at age eighty two. I mean his cover was that. He was an old, man. He's even enough ghanistan. The day, you know, a week after nine eleven age seventy two what's amazing. The CIA goes for all kinds of people who have all kinds of experience. And that it interesting because these are top tier one performers maybe they were dealt as before seals Green Bay. They go over to the CIA to join the paramilitary area army after they retire from their work in special operations. How many members do you think are in the spare military unit? It's hard numbers. They are very secretive about but after nine eleven the CIA went and led the war in Afghanistan. That's really known by a very few. But not alone not known by a lot working intend with our military or the on their own. Yeah. Yes. Okay. So right after nine eleven. CIA sent this is one of the very few numbers. I actually got from a from a source on the record. They see I sent a hundred and fifteen of its guys that's not a lot. That's not stay with us any. We'll talk more about it. And really get into your work surprise, kill vanish any Jacobson with us. And we'll be back in a moment on coast to coast AM. 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"gulf tonkin" Discussed on WTVN

WTVN

10:00 min | 1 year ago

"gulf tonkin" Discussed on WTVN

"Store tonight. Any Jacobson back with us investigative journalist and author who writes about war weapons US national security in government secrecy, any graduated from Saint Paul school and Princeton University. She was a contributing editor for the then Los Angeles Times magazine from two thousand nine until it closed in two thousand thirteen her latest work is surprise kill vanish the secret history of CIA paramilitary armies operators in assassins. You got a home run here any great job much for having me. How did you get this story? Oh my God. Just great to be here. George de realize it. I think I've done every. The show with you for. I think every book I've written. Yes, you sure have and more to come. So you just keep doing it. Book is a big doozy. I mean, when I say that I mean, it's like full of things that are explosive and also raise real serious moral questions, right? Back in two thousand and nine I was actually writing my area fifty one book, and I was mostly dealing with pilots and engineers, and they source that I knew that. I thought was a federal agent was going to the Middle East. He stopped by my house, and he had with him a number of weapons cases. And he asked me if he could add young boys at the time. I boys reality said. The boys were very interested in this. And they said could they look at one of the gun and source was a licensed weapons instructor. So I said that'd be fine. He was on his way to the Middle East. I knew that I didn't know anything else. So he shows the got the boys this long sniper rifle, and I live up in the hills. In hollywood. And looking through the scope, I could see the veins on the leaf. That's how intense go plus and the boys were, you know, amazing gave the whole spiel do this do that safety safety safety. There was one case he never opened George and when my boys went back to playing outside with their GI Joes. I said what's in that case? Opened it up. And there was a very big knife with a serrated edge. And I said what's that for? And he said sometimes a job requires quiet. She and I went, okay. And I thought about that George all night. And I thought what know it really was unsettling to me. And then it became unsettling to me that I was on settled by it because I thought to myself, and this is immoral question. Right. Or like, a like, why did what I could see my source who would who I knew for almost ten years at that point, trusted, and I could see him. Okay. He's going to Middle East. Now. I know what he's doing. He's going over there, Taliban, Al Qaeda, and I could imagine him using that type rifle. But I couldn't imagine and sitting someone's throat or sticking it in their ribs to kill them. And it made me think why do I have such a different reaction between those two forms of killing. They're both killing both going. They're both heinous since sometimes unfortunately necessary, if there are people out there to try to destroy us. Exactly. And it really gave me pause. And it took me ten years to report that story and figure out, you know, heat what I learned later not from him. But from a colleague he worked for the CIA paramilitary division, and he worked on the ground in its most lethal element, which is called ground branch. Okay. Now the drone strikes. That's air branch. Yeah. I also has a wing hold maritime branch that does know operations in the water those drone strike just yesterday against some Saudi pipelines in Saudi Arabia and a ran is blaming us saying it's a false flag, which really escalates. This idea of information is information paramilitary operations operation outside the realm of normal warfare. I mean, this is all super interesting stuff to me. I think readers, it's why I wrote surprise vanish. And who do you believe any because you know, on one hand, you wanna believe your government, of course, that they wouldn't even consider doing anything heinous like this. You know, doing false flags and stuff yet. We have history Gulf Tonkin, for example, that got us into the Vietnam war that didn't happen. The way they said it did and the enemy. Let's call them right around that is one of our enemy. They know that they are literate in history. And so they do the question would be are they using that against us, or you know, or are they or do they know? Are there claims? In fact, a continuation of history or are they aware of our history and flipping it, you know, and we don't know. But we do know is that ran has drones. And I remember we talked about this before back in two thousand eleven we sent the what we call the beast of Canada Har that was the new Laki drone ran shot it down. That's right. It was a pretty good sized drone too. And it was like, well there goes that whole Lockheed contract because once ran has are, of course, they can reverse engineer. So, you know, if I'm gonna take one step even further I'm surprised all the Gary powers incident that Iran that someone didn't produce maybe they will photograph of the drone. And what if it is an American drone? And then you can say whichever side you're on. Oh, well, that's Iran, reverse engineering our own I I know that governments need to do things that the Americans and the Russian citizens and Chinese citizens aren't aware of a first revival purposes. These things are necessary, sometimes unfortunate. But I think they have to happen. You know, when we were looking at your work on the secret history of the CIA and the paramilitary armies on one hand, you go on my God. How could they have this? But then on the other hand any you kind of say. It's necessary. Where do you stand on that? That is a great question that is. And that is what I think making. That's what makes reading history certainly me writing reporting and researching history, and I hope readers reading history in gauged because this is a question that does not that does not end. Okay. But I think it was said back actually by a reviewer of my book where he said 'cause you brought up the necessary evil, right or evil, and they review actually said they said, this is a book about 'cause they were talking about how I I t interview firsthand sources that is my forte. I get in with the men who do these operations, I traveled with them. I main character Billy wall. You know, we we we go places we spend time together. I interview them at my trying to get that the reviewers said was this is a book about necessary evil, but what anti does is. She shows the men who do. These deeds are not necessarily evil, and they definitely didn't start out that way. You know, it's a big it's a big puzzle. Because you know, our got guys that worked for the CIA paramilitary operations. What I find super interesting about a lot of this is that most of them are older. Okay. Like there. Yeah. Everage operator that I interviewed and I interviewed forty two of them. They were in their fifties. That's hold for operator for covert talking about operations from let's say five six years ago. Okay. But that forty five now Billy was my main character he was in Libya going after Qaddafi at age eighty two. I mean, his cover was that he was an old, man. He's afghanistan. The day, you know, a week after nine eleven age seventy two what's amazing. He I goes for all kinds of people who have all kinds of experience. And that it interesting because these are top tier one performers. Maybe they were Delta's before seals Green Bay. They go over to the CIA to join the paramilitary area army after they retire from their work in special operations. How many members do you think are in this pair billets area unit? It's hard numbers. They are very secretive about but after nine eleven the CIA went and led the war in Afghanistan. That's really known by a very few. But not allow not known by a lot. They working intend with our military or the on their own. Yes. Okay. So right after nine eleven. CIA sent this is one of the very few numbers. I actually got from a from a source on the record. They see a hundred fifteen of its guys. That's not a lot. No. That's not stay with us any. We'll talk more about it. And really get into your work surprise, kill vanish any Jacobson with us. And we'll be.

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"gulf tonkin" Discussed on 710 WOR

710 WOR

10:00 min | 1 year ago

"gulf tonkin" Discussed on 710 WOR

"In store tonight. Any Jacobson back with us investigative journalist and author who writes about war weapons US national security in government secrecy, any graduated from Saint Paul school and Princeton University. She was a contributing editor for the then Los Angeles Times magazine from two thousand nine until it closed in two thousand thirteen her latest work is surprise kill vanish the secret history of CIA paramilitary armies operators in assassins. You've got a home run here. Any great job. Thank you so much for having me. How did you get this story? Oh my God. Just great to be here. George de realized that I think I've done every I've been on the show with you for I think every book I've written. Yes, you sure have and more to come. So you just keep doing it. Book had big doogie. I mean, when I say that I mean, it's like two full of things that are explosive and also raise real serious moral questions, right? Back in two thousand nine I was actually writing my area fifty one book, and I was mostly dealing with spied and pilots engineers, and they source that I knew that. I thought was a federal agent was going to the Middle East. He stopped by my house, and he had with him a number of weapons cases. And he asked me if he could young boy at the time, I believe for young and he said. The boys were very interested in this. And they said that they look at one of them and sources a licensed weapons instructor. So I said that'd be fine. He was on his way to the Middle East. I knew that I didn't know anything else. So you got the boys this long sniper rifle, and I live up in the hills. Hollywood end looking through the scope, I could see the veins on the leaf. That's how intense. And the boys were, you know, amazing gave the whole spiel do this do that safety safety safety. There was one case he never opened George and when my boys went back to bring outside with their GI Joes. I said what's in that case he opened it up, and it was a very big nice with a surveyed edge. And I said what's not for any said, sometimes a job required, quiet. And I went, okay. And I thought about that George all night. And I thought well, you know, it, really. Telling me, and then it became unsettling to me by it because I thought to myself, and this is a moral question. Right. Or like, a like, why did I could see my source who would I knew for almost ten years of that plan trusted? Okay. He's going to Middle East. Now. I know what he's doing. He's going over there, Taliban al-qaeda, and I could imagine him using that type of rifle. But I couldn't imagine and letting someone's throat or sticking it in their ribs, kill them. And it made me think why do I have such a different reaction between those two forms of killing both killing both killing they're both heinous. And sometimes unfortunately necessary if there are people out there to try to destroy us. Exactly. And it really gave me pause. And it took me ten years to report that story and figure out you know, what I learned later not from him. But from a collie he worked for the CIA paramilitary division, and he worked on the ground in its most leap element, which is called ground branch. Now the drone strike that's air branch. Yeah. Also has a wing called maritime branch does you know operations in the water those drone strike just yesterday against some Saudi pipelines in Saudi Arabia and a ran is blaming us saying it's a false flag, which really escalates. This idea of information information paramilitary operations operation outside the realm of normal warfare. I mean, this is all super interesting stuff. Who me I think readers? It's why I wrote surprised kills banish. And who do you believe any because you know, on one hand, you wanna believe your government, of course, that they wouldn't even consider doing anything heinous like this. You know, doing false flags and stuff yet we have history. Gulf Tonkin, for example, that got us into the Vietnam war that didn't happen. The way they said it did and the enemy. Let's call them right around that is one of our enemy. They know that they are literate in history. And so they do the question would be are they using that against us? You know, or they or did they know? Are there claims? In fact, a continuation of history or are they aware of our history and flipping it, you know, and we don't know. But we do know is that ran has drones. And I remember I think we talked about this before back in cheese house in eleven we sent the what we call the beast of canned Har that was the new Laki drone. That's right. It was a pretty good sized drone too. Display, and it was like, well, there goes that whole Lockheed contract because once ran has are, of course, they can reverse engineer. So, you know, if I'm gonna take one step even further I'm surprised all the Gary powers into that ran that someone didn't produce maybe they will photograph of the drone. And what if it is an American drone? And then you can say whichever side you're on. Oh, well, that's Iran, reverse engineering our own I I know that governments need to do things that the Americans and the Russian by citizens and Chinese citizens aren't aware of a first survival purposes these things are necessary, sometimes unfortunate. But I think they have to happen in you know, when we were looking at your work on the secret history of the CIA and the paramilitary armies on one hand, you go on my God. How could they have this? But then on the other hand any you kind of say. It's necessary. Where do you stand on that? That is a great question that is. And that is what I think making. That's what makes reading history certainly me writing reporting and researching history, and I hope readers reading history in gauged because this is a question that does not. It does not end. Okay. But I think it was said back actually by a review of my book where he said 'cause you brought up the word necessary evil, right or evil, and they review actually said they said this is a book about 'cause they were talking about. How I I interview firsthand sources that is my forte. I get in with the men who do these operations, I traveled with them. I main character Billy wall. You know, we we we go places we spend time together. I interview them at my trying to get that reviewers said was this is a book about necessary evil, but what anti does is. She chose the men who do these deeds are not necessarily evil. And they definitely didn't start out that way. You know, it could be it's a big puzzle. Because you know, are the guys that work for the CIA paramilitary operations. What I find super interesting about a lot of this is that most of them are older. Okay. Like there. Yeah. Everage operator that I interviewed and I interviewed forty two of them. They were in their fifties. That's hold for parameter for. Operations from let's say five six years ago. Okay. But that forty five now Billy long, my main character he was in Libya going after Qaddafi at age eighty two. I mean his cover was that. He was an old, man. He's he began Afghantistan. The day, you know, a week after nine eleven age seventy two what's amazing how that goes for all kinds of people who have all kinds of experience. And that it interesting because these are top tier one performers maybe they were dealt before seals green brain they go over to the CIA to join the paramilitary area army after they retire from their work in special operations. How many members do you think are in the spare ability unit? It's hard numbers. They are very secretive about but after nine eleven the CIA went and led the war in Afghanistan. That's really known by a very few. But not alone not known by a lot working in ten with our military or the on their own. Yes. Okay. So right after nine eleven. TIAA sent this is one of the very few numbers. I actually got from a from a source on the record. They see I sent a hundred and fifteen of its guy. That's not a lot. No. That's not stay with us any. We'll talk more about it. And really get into your work surprise, kill vanish any Jacobson with us. And we'll be.

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Part of the Problem

03:47 min | 1 year ago

"gulf tonkin" Discussed on Part of the Problem

"Anymore than Americans would I remember back a few months ago now when when you know, the a lot of this the stuff was escalating, the talk was escalating about Madero. And he said in that address. I imagine you probably saw it. But he said he said Donald Trump if you if you start a war with Venezuela, you're gonna have a Vietnam on your hands. So just know that and I saw on Fox News the next this is only it by the way through this whole Muller investigation, everything, and you just really start hating MSNBC and CNN and Fox News almost seems like the reasonable one in the room eve gotta just wait until there's some foreign policy issue. And then you remember exactly who Fox News is. And how fucking terrible they are. And that they might even be worse. Like, I don't know. It's a it's a real stiff competition, I go back and forth. Now that MSNBC are cold warriors as well. They may be worse. I don't know they're all very bad. But so Madero goes if you invade us you're going to have Vietnam on your hand. I was watching Fox News the other day, and they go Madero openly threatens America. Only in the Fox News world could that be considered threat against you go. Hey, man, if you come over here and kick me in the stomach. I'm gonna punch you in the face go like this threatened into assault pace. Like well. There was that. I was gave you're so ignorant. You don't remember that time that Vietnam invaded. I missed that tact our boats in the Gulf Tonkin. That's right. I know sorry. That's always say, you know, which war was started on bullshit, all of them all of them every single funk. Twelve right. Yeah. They're all. It's all bullshit. It's really it's really quite something war propaganda. It just keeps working. So they're not gonna stop X more Chomsky. I was gonna say the earlier, and then I spaced it out. But then you brought up Chomsky. So reminded me again, something that he had said this pertains to our conversation a couple of conversations ago, but I guess plies Venezuela's near future here too. Is he said, listen when we're talking or in the days when we talked about the USSR, we don't judge not for minute. Not even left us like him would judge the Soviet Union on the standard of living of the most wealthy people in the suburbs of Moscow who were part of the regime and had a great life. It's not how the Soviet Union which just Soviet Union by their prisons. We judge the Soviet Union. But MK DD knock on the door kick in the door at three o'clock in the morning to take your way, we judge the Soviet you. Union by how people live in Afghanistan under Soviet carpet bombing, right? That's how we judge the Soviet Union. Blood-soaked monsters. Lawless. Godless murderers. Right. Well, that's how we judge the USA two monsters blood-soaked, godless, lawless monsters, you know, what they do they murder helpless babies. You see the sink come out about Yemen. The other day from the United Nations where they're estimates. They says sixty percent of the dead in Yemen are children under the age of five years old. Dave this the same in Somalia across the way. They're that's the USA every day. And so that's how we judge America. We don't need to standards. One will do just fine. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to hire to go. Save Venezuelans for us too much money. Did you hear they're spending too much on their poor? We can't have that. We hate that us libertarians who you know, worser. Okay. Didn't kill people. That's in the constitution..

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"gulf tonkin" Discussed on KLIF 570 AM

KLIF 570 AM

10:54 min | 1 year ago

"gulf tonkin" Discussed on KLIF 570 AM

"Seventy K L I F. And welcome back to coast to coast, George Noory with you. I've gotten more emails about our guest coming up in just seconds here than anybody. I've ever had lots of people excited about it. Some people upset we're going to get into that. And we're going to also kind of give you the real story behind Alex Jones, what's going on in his life and made me make some clarifications for a lot of people, especially for Alex people can really understand where it's coming from Alex Jones is if you do not know who he is is an award winning documentary filmmaker political researcher media host as well his websites in for wars dot com and prison planet dot com or right there at the top of the alternative media, and he is recognized by many as the father of the nine eleven truth movement and also a few other stories, which we will get into. And I was watching this weekend vice the movie with Christian bale playing the part of Dick Cheney and right at the end of the movie. Alex Jones you pop up for a few seconds. They've got me everywhere. In fact, I went saw documentary about. The founder of the modern conservative moment. William Buckley in the movie ends with me again. And so I can talk about what's really going on here actually discovered. It. I know it it's an incredible conspiracy that I can prove here on air. They intend that is dark levels forces to use me as the first common to take down the first amendment, but I got to create this trauman villain the public to buy in to destroying smile that was very popular. Then once I fall the rest of the Domino's they believe will fall, still popular. I wanna talk about the biggest issue that I've known you for years. But I wanna talk about the biggest issue that has affected you personally affected. You a little emotionally and has affected you legally because seventeen years. Yes, I have been in some litigation that is still ongoing. So if there's some things you cannot talk about fully understand. I want to talk about a story that is probably one of the saddest stories we've seen in a long time. It's sandy hook back in December fourteenth of two thousand twelve in Newtown, Connecticut, a twenty year old sick young man by the name of Adam Lanza killed his mother in the morning, and then went into a school. And shot away at the sandy hook elementary school in killed twenty young kids six and seven year olds and six staff. Members was a horrible story. He killed himself shot himself in the head. It is the biggest mass shooting at a high school a grade school in US history. The deadliest. A lot of us in the media reported on this horrible story. Those of us who are parents as Alex Jones's were deeply affected by it. But this one story Alex has affected your career. To the point where you've been taken off YouTube, Facebook issues, all kinds of social media problems. Because of what people think you did. And I want you to explain that. Because you've talked about it before in this program. But I think right now, it's a very critical time in your career. I know how you feel about the parents who lost their kids. I know that personally because you and I talked about it. But I want you to tell me in your words, what happened back in two thousand twelve when you first heard the story in how did this rumor follow you, and I'm gonna do that. But five minutes, it went live tonight here like even on the show, probably sixty seventy times even at the time. You never brought up sandy hook. And I've never heard you even on your own show get into sandy hook mill. You are on six months ago and spent thirty minutes on this still in the media. They say Jones says it didn't happen, and he sending people to the families of the children's houses, which I never did. Explain the deception none of the families, but of some of the groups behind this, and what their master plan is we actually know and how sick this is going back to the time sandyhook happens, and I say that he was on Prozac type drugs. I bet he's in a shoot 'em up video games which later came out then the internet because they had seen so many false flags. Like, the baby's incubators got their brains bashed out in one thousand nine that didn't happen to the first Gulf war fake WMD's today, the Jesse smaller type hoax while the Russian collusion. Okay. So so people that seen all these Gulf Tonkin northwards the internet was on fire saying it wasn't real. And so I covered both sides of it. We've looked it up. Maybe maybe twenty times back when it happened total. And then that was it then all these investigators people like former school safety experts in in. Professors and others. There's a long list of professors said it was staged. They had former CIA a high level operatives come out and say it wasn't real. And actually challenge me say, no, no, no. This didn't have an in. So over the next few years. I looked at some of the nominees had questions later found the nominees weren't accurate. So as soon as I said, I believe sandy hook happened about three or four years ago seven years ago, all hell broke loose and liberal media and left us median established media took it as weakness and said, oh my gosh. Jones admits he was lying. He made it up his whole career is about it. I never talked about it on your show in probably sixty or seventy times what is one hundred times. So that's a question. Tom the producer looking at how many times on cows. It's probably seventy or eighty times I'm going for memory. We'll see you count about. It's quite a job. But it's probably on the coast to coast. Am website all the time. I've been on as either to our guest one, our guest guest news or news. Probably what he's seventy maybe. Yeah. Sixty who knows so many. It's over fifty. I can barely remember. How many times I've been on thousands? But how many times? Sandy hook George zero zero until Hillary Clinton in the two thousand sixteen campaign ran eighteen million dollars worth of ads. The federal elections commission report him on her quote, dark heart fake news. All right, media speech. They made an ad out of that they ran eighteen million dollars worth of ads that was her last month push against Donald Trump. And she thought well, we'll just ended Alex Jones will put it out of context. It looks terrible for him to be saying no kids died and then that'll defeat Trump. Well, when Trump still won the Democrats still went with bring down Donald Trump. As you said for went live. You said I've never seen so much negative media against anybody. Except maybe Trump, and that's it. They had Russia gate, and they had sandy hook alshon denier and says he's kids didn't die context isn't true for years. I've said it completely happened. But again, you set up Alex Jones port dead children, which I'm so sad about some of the families four children, you've got children, grandchildren. But it doesn't matter. Once the media picks it up it's a new cycle that never stops Vanity Fair. Associated Press washed, you post New York Times we're talking every day dozens as it wear on you is it getting to you right now. You know, it does get to me when I'm walking down the street in most people like me, but if I'm in liberal areas of Austin downtown. Some of the best restaurants in Austin as San Francisco now in Austin that Google's move there. They've all moved there and people will scream f you Russian spy you're going to go to prison, you're going to get the gas chamber. But now that that came out to be a hoax. Everybody knows it. They've left me alone on that. So now, they say I'm gonna kick your butt, but I'm eating dinner at a restaurant and not my T over and say, how dare you harassed those families and those kids and I'll say, where's the video? Where's the video me saying kids are their families show? So that's where we're at is it simply a way to take a populous talk show host that that that they believe got Donald Trump elected, which I don't think we'll even the case and just as they can't get Trump. I'm low hanging fruit sound like a toy for a pit bull now in their hit this couple's the issue too. We know that the regroups out there that want to take away our guns and crushed the second amendment. That's out there. That's. Real in the things they would stoop to to try to create issues to get people to hate guns into panic are real they're out there. So when you mix in that possibility with the very tragic story of sandy hook and my God in a minute. I want you to talk directly to the parents of those kids, Alex, those who may be listening to you right now. You can understand how people are so suspect of the deep state in what they may do to get your guns pulled away and do all these other things, but take a moment in even if there's one parent from the sandy hook tragedy who lost a kid. I want you to talk to them. Absolutely. That's why about four years ago. I was contacted by some of the families, and they said, listen, these professors and people that are investigating us. They're crazy, please tell them stop. I said, well, I'm not the one involved, but then I interviewed some of the people from those doubting and some of the things that were saying outlandish, so I distanced myself. And so some of the people that totally faked instead, oh, you're covering it up. That's what I really wanted to break completely with it. And again, I was sucked into this was barely something. I ever even talked about as your witness to. So the media was making it my identity and become this weird swirling black hole over New Haven, Connecticut and over sandy hook that whole area there. And so I was already trying to say this isn't my entity get away from it. But I been completely sucked in. So I have told the family through my own show through your show. Like, I was here. Six months ago, I've told them through cows of the programs that I don't believe what what the true conspiracy theorists are saying that no children died. I've talked to people that know the families. It really happened. It's a tragedy mass shootings happened. But please stop saying through the lawyers that I'm saying nobody died, and it doesn't stop NPR last week to show sang Jones says no one dies and the families are on saying Jones just won't stop saying. It's like an exact thing they say that I come from a law firms, and so that's all coming out..

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"gulf tonkin" Discussed on NewsRadio KFBK

NewsRadio KFBK

12:33 min | 1 year ago

"gulf tonkin" Discussed on NewsRadio KFBK

"Back to coast to coast, George Noory with you. I've gotten more emails about our guest who's coming up in just seconds here than anybody. I've ever had lots of people excited about it. Some people upset we're going to get into that. And we're going to also kind of give you the real story behind Alex Jones, what's going on in his life and made me make some clarifications for a lot of people, especially for Alex. So people can really understand where it's coming from Alex Jones is your if you do not know who he is is an award winning documentary filmmaker political researcher media host as well his websites in for wars dot com in prison planet dot com or right there at the top of the alternative media, and he is recognized by many as the father of the nine eleven truth movement and also a few other stories, which we will get into. And I was watching this weekend vice the movie with Christian bale playing the part of Dick Cheney and right at the end of the movie, Alex Jones. Jones you pop up for a few seconds. They've got me everywhere. In fact, I went and saw documentary about. The founder of the modern conservative movement. William F Buckley in the movie ends with me again. And so I can talk about what's really going on here actually discovered. It. I know it it's an incredible conspiracy that I can prove here on air. They intend that is dark globalist forces to use me as the first domino to take down the first amendment, but I have got to create this trauman villain the public to buy in to destroy somebody. That was very popular. Then once I fall the rest of the Domino's they believable will still popular. Now. I wanna talk about the biggest issue that I've known you for years. But I wanna talk about the biggest issue that has affected you personally affected. You a little emotionally and has affected you legally because seventeen years. Yes, I have been in some litigation that is still ongoing. So if there's some things you cannot talk about I fully understand. I want to talk about a story that is probably one of the saddest stories we've seen in a long time. It's sandy hook back in December fourteenth of two thousand twelve in Newtown, Connecticut, a twenty year old sick young man by the name of Adam Lanza killed his mother in the morning, and then went into a school. And shot away at the sandy hook elementary school in killed twenty young kids six and seven year olds and six staff. Members was a horrible story. He then killed himself shot himself in the head. It is the biggest mass shooting at a high school a grade school in US history. The deadliest. A lot of us in the media reported on this horrible story. Those of us who are parents as Alex Jones's were deeply affected by it. But this one story Alex has affected your career. To the point where you've been taken off YouTube, Facebook issues, all kinds of social media problems. Because of what people think you did. And I want you to explain that. Because you've talked about it before on this program. But I think right now it's very critical time in your career. I know how you feel about the parents who lost their kids. I know that personally because you and I have talked about it. But I want you to tell me in your words, what happened back in two thousand twelve when you first heard the story in how did this rumor follow you, and I'm going to do that. But five minutes before we went live tonight. You're like even on the show probably sixty seventy times even at the time. You never brought up sandy hook. And I've never heard you even on your own show get into sandy hook you. You're on six months ago and spent thirty minutes on this killing the media. They say Jones says it didn't happen, and he's sending people to the families of the children's houses, which I never did. So explain the deception none of the families of some of the groups behind this, and what their master plan is we actually know and how sick this is going back to the time sandyhook happens and I come out on air. And I say, I bet he was on Prozac type drugs. I bet he's in a shoot em up video games Slater came out, then the internet because they had seen so many false flags like. Like the babies and the Yankee baiters got their brains, bashed out in one thousand nine that didn't happen. At least the first Gulf war fake WMD's today the Jesse smaller type hoax while the Russian collusion hoax. So so so people that seen all these Gulf Tonkin northwards the internet was on fire saying it wasn't real. And so I covered both sides of it. We've looked it up. Maybe maybe twenty times back when it happened total. And then that was it then all these investigators people like former school safety experts and professors and others. There's a long list of professors said it was staged and they had former CIA a high level operatives come out and say it wasn't real. And actually challenged me at say, no, no, no this didn't have. And then so over the next few years, I looked at some of the anomalies that had questions later found some anomalies weren't accurate. So as soon as I said, I believe sandy hook happened about three or four years ago. Seven years ago, all hell broke loose and liberal media and left us media and established media took it as weakness and said, oh my gosh. Jones admits he was lying. He made it up his whole career is about it. But I never talked about it on your show in probably sixty or seventy times what is one hundred times. So that's a question. Maybe Tom the producer can look it up. How many times have been on coast to coast? It's probably seventy or eighty times I'm going for memory. We'll see if he can count up. It's quite a job. But it's probably on the coast to coast AM website, all the times I've been on as either a to our guests. Our guests news guest or news gets probably what he's seventy anytime soon. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe sixty who knows so many. It's over fifty. I can barely remember. How many times I've been on thousands? But how many times never bring up sandy hook George zero zero until Hillary Clinton in the two thousand sixteen campaign. Ran eighteen million dollars worth of ads. The federal elections commission reported on her quote, dark heart fake news. Outright media speech. They made an ad out of that they ran eighteen million dollars worth of ads that was her last month push against Donald Trump. And she thought well, we'll just ended Alex Jones will put it out of context. It looks terrible for him to be saying no kids died and then that'll defeat Trump. Well, when Trump still won the Democrats still went with bring down Donald Trump. As you said for went live. He said I've never seen so much negative media against anybody. Except maybe Trump, and that's it. They had Russia gate, and then they had sandy hook Alex Jones is a denier and says he's little kids didn't die which is out of context. It isn't true for years. I've said it completely happened. But again, you set up Alex Jones against port dead children, which I'm so sad about some of the families got four children, you've got grandchildren. But it doesn't matter. Once the media picks it up it's a new cycle that never stops Vanity Fair Associated Press Washington Post, New York Times, we're talking every day. Dozens does it wear on you is it getting to you right now? You know, it does get to me when I'm walking down the street and most people like me, but if I'm in liberal areas of Austin like downtown. Some of the best restaurants in Austin. It's kind of like San Francisco now in Austin that Google's moved there. They've all moved there and people will scream FU. Russia's spy, you're going to go to prison, you're going to get the gas chamber. But now that that came out to be a hoax. Everybody knows it. They've left me alone on that. So now, they say I'm gonna kick your butt when I'm eating dinner at a restaurant and not my T over and say, how dare you harass those families and those kids and I'll say, where's the video? Where's the video me saying kids are their families? So so that's where we're at is it simply a way to take a populist talk show host that that that they believe got Donald Trump elected, which I don't think we'll even the case. And just because they can't get Trump. I'm low hanging fruit sound like a chew toy for a pit bull now in their hit. This is what couples the issue too. We know that the regroups out there that want to take away our guns and crushed the second amendment. That's out there. That's real. Real in the things they would stoop to to try to create issues to get people to hate guns and to panic are real they're out there. So when you mix in that possibility with very tragic story of sandy hook in my God. I in a minute I want you to talk directly to the parents of those kids, Alex, though. So may be listening to you right now. You can understand how people are so suspect of the deep state in what they may do to get your guns pulled away and do all these other things, but take a moment. And even if there's one parent from the sandy hook tragedy who lost a kid. I wanted to talk to them. Well, absolutely. That's why about four years ago. I was contacted by some of the families. And they said, listen, these professors and people that are up here investigating us. They're crazy, please tell them stop. I said, well, I'm not the one involved, but then I interviewed some of the people from those doubting and some of the things that were saying landed, so I distanced myself. And so some of the people that looks totally faked and said, oh, you're covering it up. And that's when I really started to break completely with it. And again, I was sucked into this was barely something. I ever even talked about it, you're a witness to. So the media was making it my identity and become this weird swirling black hole over New Haven, Connecticut and over sandy hook that whole area there. And so I was already trying to say, this isn't mind entity get me away from it. But I been completely sucked in. So I have told the families through my own show through your show. Like, I was here. Six months ago, I've told them through a cows of the programs that I don't believe what what the true conspiracy theorists are saying that no children died. I've talked to people that know the families. It really happened. It's a tragedy mass shootings happened. But please stop saying through the lawyers that I'm saying nobody died, and it doesn't stop NPR last week to show Shang Jones says no one dies and the families are on saying Jones just won't stop saying. It's like an exact thing they say that I guess comes from the law firms, and so that's all coming out. And now they've had Senator Murphy and Senator Blumenthal of Connecticut. You can anybody can search engine this. And they said, quote, Alex Jones is terrorizing the families. We must ban him and others from the internet and Google and Facebook are to blame as well. And so again, it's not the parents. They're great people. So sorry for them. And I'm a parent as well, it tears, my heart out, but it's the lawyers and the senators that are on record saying, quote, take Alex Jones off to save democracy. And then once people accept totally removing me. They can tell any wise they want about me they want. I can't respond, but more importantly, the president set to bring down all other independent media and talk radio is number one next up in their sights. Oh, I mean my God. Can you imagine if you were in China right now, you wouldn't be on anymore? I'd be dead you'd be dead. There's no question about it. You'd be dead. So you're in you're in litigation. I don't want to dwell on that what happens happens. But let's litigation if sandyhook couldn't kill the second amendment. They're trying to use the wonderful poor families that I really feel sorry for but the establishment is on record saying we want the kill shot. We wanna take Alex Jones down. The Democrats senators are saying we're going to use this to take right wing media down. And so they think because I'm independent the rest of right wing media like Tucker Carlson, or Sean Hannity or others will leave me out to hang they haven't. And you're more of a libertarian populist. Probably win is a democrat who I totally support running for President, George. No seriously. Thank you for that a poll, my website, and you wanted to get all the Democrats. I'm nonpartisan. I'm just I'm just a libertarian, and these guys are using me this false narrative this false straw, man. They built to bring down the whole first amendment, Alex..

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"gulf tonkin" Discussed on Part of the Problem

Part of the Problem

04:20 min | 2 years ago

"gulf tonkin" Discussed on Part of the Problem

"They conspired against Alex Jones because he was a conspiracy theorist. It's almost like the Whitney Cummings example. They proved him right with their attack Facebook, Facebook, apple, like all these giant companies banned him on the same day proving that they conspired against him because he's a conspiracy theories. We live in a country with the Gulf Tonkin and these proven conspiracies like the government was setting up shooting down airliner to start a war with Cuba like these aren't. These aren't crazy thoughts like the Federal Reserve is in part of America. It's like our entire money system is based on a story like almost like the big friendly giants. So the fat when you when you get when you get hep to the war stuff. I mean, that's when like the whole idea of someone being accused of being a conspiracy theorist, just it loses all of its gravity, all of its weight to it because I mean, it's not like like every single war every single war. We are lied into a group of people who get together and plan out the war, and it's just it's like everyone every one of them the war in Libya the war in Iraq. The fuck like every God damn one of them. And then of course, Vietnam, like you mentioned the World War One. And then you see the other plans where they were planning on line to get us into other wars. So it's not, you know. After you realize that it's like, oh, yeah. Well, it makes sense that people would have a healthy level of conspiracy and make sense that people don't trust. This covers. And you know, and then you could also look at a lot of other light conspiracies like, look, I mean, the banker bailouts and stuff like that. I mean, these are a group of men in closed door meetings who conspire to steal everybody else's money and bail out their friends who tanked the economy. So no, I agree with you on that. And I do think that there's gotta be like when you were saying that I, they came for the Jews thing and referencing Cavanaugh. One of the things that's really amazing to me about, you know, particularly on the left is how. How could any white man get any straight white man be going along with this stuff? It's like, what? Self way straightaway? Yeah, like like you would look at Cava and not a little bit think to yourself. You really are like the ju- helping Nazis round up other Jews, like you realize you're to. Yeah, you're fucking source in this shit, like win self agent of it. Yeah. Well, that's a lot of black people are moving away from the Democrats as well because of how they reacted to because it's not about being democrat Republican, it's being allowed to have your thoughts. And I personally a few black dudes that saw that. And these are diehard. They hate Republicans and they said they saw how they were like, oh, no, but you can't be a Republican and they're like, wait what it's like. So we can't. We've, you know, and, and that's one reason why I think the left took that movie get out and made sure it had one hundred per se. And rotten tomatoes, and because it was mocking liberals, right? I voted for Obama third time dog. That's why they killed. Malcolm x. dude, started understanding some stuff, and he was talking about how the liberal is actually the enemy of the black man and they took him out. Yeah. Is now a friend yet and he's talking about like the nature of the state Malcolm x. toward the end had a whole lot of really interesting shit to say, and then he conveniently met his a his fate. I think you're right to me with Konya in general. It's like I haven't found anything that he's actually said to be that interesting. Never a guy who I've looked to for my intellectual cues before, but the action to him is really interesting. The reaction or so panicked that own. I got like it's kind of. It reminds me of the situation with you as well where it's like Hollywood, so takes it for granted that if there's one hundred of them and one of them feels differently than the rest of them, they think it's like fucking a huge problem. And you're like, you do realize sixty three million people voted for Donald Trump or something like that..

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"gulf tonkin" Discussed on KQED Radio

KQED Radio

05:22 min | 2 years ago

"gulf tonkin" Discussed on KQED Radio

"Yes yes okay great. I'll just wait till it goes Slowly isn't it It may be helicopter coming black, helicopter coming As a dedicated watcher of. Twenty four you never know what can happen Because see they could kill two birds with one stone by. Wiping out? Of public National Public Radio as well as. A political enemy you see so it'd be hard to resist this target. This is a dark plot indeed I think we are nearly safe now. That plane sounds in the. Distance Since we've been talking a little bit about your experiences as a prisoner. Of war in Vietnam. And how that applies to your, thoughts about torture there's another Vietnam question I'd like to ask you the The national security agency recently released hundreds of pages of formerly secret documents on the nineteen sixty four Gulf of Tonkin incident and this was the incident which we were told that. The, North Vietnamese fired on our boats in the Gulf of Tanya and as a result of this president Johnson. Authorized airstrikes and, congress passed a resolution authorizing military action based on the Gulf of Tonkin now the. New documents that were released show that we weren't really weren't fired on the Gulf of talkin incident never really happened but, information was distorted to make it seem as if? It did as a. Veteran what's your reaction to this Well we've known for, a long time that there were questions about the Gulf, of Tonkin instant. Unquote and the important more important aspect of, this Terry is that, the firing suppose that it did happen this still is that enough rational to escalate the conflict to the point where there's. Five hundred thousand people there and a full scale military engagement with fifty thousand killed without congress revisiting the issue it seems to me that what he really saw was congress not playing the role that it's constitutionally appointed to do you see what I mean. So, you think that whether the Gulf of Tonkin happened or not congress should have revisited the issue and that's. Absolutely particularly when, we went from an escalation a dramatic escalation remember when the Gulf Tonkin incident took. Place there was a relic Tivoli small number of American troops on the ground in Vietnam and dramatically escalated and as did the conflict congress should, have revisited on. Numerous occasions in my view revisited and pulled our troops out revisited in at least at least made decisions whether to remain there whether to accept? An escalation to whether it was in our national security interest to, continue the conflict they basically took, a pass and let the executive branch until after the, Ted offensive basically. The the administration had a relative free hand, in conducting the conflict Senator, McCain you supported the invasion of Iraq and now your sports sending in more troops and say to. Pull out now would likely lead to full-scale civil war you've criticized a secretary of. Defense Donald Rumsfeld felt for not having enough troops when we invaded Iraq Do you hold him responsible. For any other things that you, consider to have been misjudgments and how the war has been executed A number of misjudgements when the looting started. And they failed to put that down with whatever it took created an environment of chaos and insecurity for the people of Iraq when. We vastly underestimated the challenge of this growing insurgency there was a period of time Terry when things were pretty quiet in Iraq and. We had a window. Of opportunity to rebuild the infrastructure and. And address some of the problems that faced the the country in they didn't do it the. Administration in Baghdad was poorly done you remember there was general garner was there and he was out and then Bremmer came in Mr Wolf which said that we would pay for the war. In Iraq with Iraqi oil revenues when the first insurgence or when the looting started Jerry Rumsfeld said stuff happens and then when the. Insurgency started he said. There was a few dead enders reason. Why that there was a gross misunder estimation of the challenge we faced in the post conflict Aspect of Barack We're listening. To the interview I recorded with Senator John McCain. Into thousand five we'll hear more of that interview after. A short break this is fresh air.

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"gulf tonkin" Discussed on KQED Radio

KQED Radio

05:04 min | 2 years ago

"gulf tonkin" Discussed on KQED Radio

"A dedicated watcher of twenty. Four you never know what happen Because see they could kill two birds with one stone by wiping. Out of? Public National Public Radio as well as a. Political enemy you see so it'd be hard to resist this target this. Is a dark plot indeed I think we are. Nearly safe now that planes. Sounds No since we've been talking a little bit, about your experiences as a prisoner of. War in Vietnam another. Plies to your thoughts about torture there's another Vietnam question I'd like to ask you the national security agency recently released hundreds of pages of formerly secret. Documents on the nineteen sixty four Gulf of Tonkin incident and this was the incident which we were told that the North Vietnamese fired on our boats in the Gulf of Tonkin as a result of this president Johnson authorized airstrikes and congress passed a. Resolution, authorizing military action based on the Gulf of Tonkin now the new documents. That were released show that we weren't really weren't, fired not the Gulf of Tonkin incident never really happened but information was distorted to. Make it seem as if? It, did as a, veteran what's your reaction to this well we've known for A long time that there were questions about the Gulf of Tonkin instant unquote and, the important more important aspect of this. Terry is that the. Firing suppose that it did happen this still is that enough rationale to escalate the conflict to the point where there's five hundred thousand people there in. A full scale military engagement with fifty thousand killed without congress revisiting the issue it seems to me that that what you really saw was congress not playing the role that it's constitutionally appointed to do you see what I mean so you think that. Whether, the Gulf of Tonkin happened or not congress should have revisited the issue. And that's absolutely particularly when we went from an, escalation a dramatic escalation remember when the Gulf Tonkin incident took place there was a. Relatively small number of American? Troops, on the ground Round in Vietnam, and it dramatically. Escalated and as did the conflict congress should have revisited on numerous occasions in my view revisited his pulled our troops out revisited in at least made? Decisions whether to remain there whether to accept an escalation to whether, it was in our national security, interest to continue the conflict they basically took a pass, and let the. Executive branch until after the Ted offensive basically, ha the administration had a relative free hand in conducting the conflict Senator, McCain you supported the invasion of Iraq and now your support sending in more troops and say to. Pull out now would likely lead to full-scale civil war you've criticized a secretary of. Defense, Donald. Rumsfeld felt for not having enough troops when we invaded Iraq You hold him responsible. For any other things that you, consider to have been misjudgments and how the war has been executed A number of misjudgements when the looting started and. They failed to put that down with whatever it took created an environment of chaos and insecurity, for, the. People of Iraq when we, vastly underestimated the challenge of this growing insurgency there was a period of time Terry Wynn thanks we're pretty quiet in Iraq and. We had a window. Of opportunity to rebuild the infrastructure and. And address some of the problems that faced the country in they didn't do it the, administration in Baghdad was poorly done remember there was general garner was air and he was out and then Bremmer came in Mr Wolf would said that we would pay for, the, war. In Iraq with Iraqi oil, revenues when the first insurgence or when the looting started shook Jerry Rumsfeld said stuff happens and then when the insurgency started he. Said there was a. Few dead enders the reason why I. Wish gross misunder estimation of the challenge we faced in the post conflict aspect of Iraq We're, listening to the interview I recorded with Senator. John McCain in two thousand five we'll hear more of that interview after a short break this is fresh air.

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"gulf tonkin" Discussed on Fresh Air

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12:17 min | 2 years ago

"gulf tonkin" Discussed on Fresh Air

"As a dedicated watcher of twenty four. You never know what can happen because see, they could kill two birds with one stone by wiping out pub National Public Radio as well as a political enemy. You see? So it'd be hard to resist this target dark plot. Indeed. I think we are nearly safe now that plane sounds in the distance. No, since we've been talking a little bit about, you know your experiences as a prisoner of war in Vietnam and how that applies to your thoughts about torture. There's another Vietnam question. I'd like to ask you the national security agency recently released hundreds of pages of formerly secret documents on the nineteen sixty four Gulf of Tonkin incident, and this was the incident were. We were told that the North Vietnamese fired on our boats in the Gulf of Tonia and as a result of this president Johnson authorized airstrikes and congress passed a resolution authorizing military action based on the Gulf of Tonkin. Now the there's new documents that were released, show that we weren't are both really warrant fired on the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Never really happened, but information was distorted to make it seem as if it did as a veteran. What's your reaction to this? Will we've known for a long time. Mm, that there were questions about the Gulf of Tonkin instant unquote and the important more important aspect of this Terry, is that the firing, suppose it it did happen. This still is that enough rational to escalate the conflict to the point where there's five hundred thousand people there and a full scale military engagement with fifty thousand killed without congress, revisiting the issue. It seems to me that that what you really saw was congress not playing the role that it's constitutionally appointed to do you see what I mean? So you think that whether the Gulf of Tonkin happened or not, congress should have revisited the issue, and that's absolutely particularly when we went from an escalation, a dramatic escalation. Remember when the Gulf Tonkin incident took place, there was a relatively small number of American troops on the ground in Vietnam. AM and it dramatically escalated. And as did the conflict. Congress should have revisited on numerous occasions in my view revisited and pulled our troops out revisit in at least at least made decisions whether to remain there, whether to accept an escalation to whether it was in our national security interests to continue the conflict. They basically took a pass and let the executive branch until after the Ted offensive. Basically the administration had a relative free hand in conducting the conflict. Can you supported the invasion of Iraq and now your sports sending in more troops and say, to pull out now with likely lead to full-scale civil war, you've criticized secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld felt for not having enough troops when we invaded Iraq. Do you hold him responsible for any other things that you consider to have been misjudgments and how the war has been executed? A number of misjudgements when the looting started and they failed to put that down with whatever it took, created an environment of chaos and insecurity for the people of Iraq. When we vastly underestimated the challenge of this growing insurgency there was a period of time Terry when things we're pretty quiet in Iraq. And we had a window of opportunity to rebuild the infrastructure and and address some of the problems that faced the country in. They didn't do it. The administration in Baghdad was poorly done. As you remember, there was general garner was air and he was out. And then Bremmer came in Mr. Wolfowitz said that we would pay for the war in Iraq with Iraqi oil revenues when the first insurgence oh, when the looting started. Rumsfeld said stuff happens. And then when the insurgency started, he said there was a few dead enders. The reason why I mentioned that there was a gross misunder estimation of the challenge. We faced in the post conflict aspect of Barack. Novo character is destiny is is about people who you consider to be inspirational to be role models and including Mother, Theresa, and you have a daughter that you adopted from an orphanage that I think was run by Mother Teresa, am I right? Yes. Yes. He was her group of nuns at ran a orphanage in Dhaka Bangladesh. Yes, it's where my wife was visiting with a medical team and Bridget was there. And she had a very severe cleft palate and. We're very pleased to have the opportunity in the blessing to bring her home and be part of our family. When you running for in the presidential primary in two thousand there was and I think it's fair to quote a smear campaign against you, which I used your daughter. It was like a whisper campaign saying that your daughter was actually a daughter that you had fathered with a black prostitute. That's a yes. How did how did this whisper campaign work? Like how? How do these kinds of rumors travel? I don't know because I've never engaged in anything like that. We knew that that was out there very was very painful for us. Of course. And also in in these whisper campaigns that you are mentally unstable, because if you POW experiences and that your wife was wasn't addict, how do you fight against things like that? When no one is taking credit for saying it and it's all my understanding is it's like phone calls come across on like two way, talk radio and and like little handouts that were that are anonymous meeting, honestly placed on cars and parking lots in you. It's hard to trace back to an individual. Well, it's very tough and it was very difficult, but I would also point out that one of the major reasons why we lost in South Carolina was not because of that as much as it was that the entire Republican establishment supported President Bush, then governor Bush and we're behind him, and he had a great deal more money to spend than we did and they were better organized than than we were in many respects. So look, I didn't like. Terry, the things that happened, but for me to look back in anger over something that happened back five years ago, I is not appropriate. I want to move forward. I wanna put it behind me and I want to serve the people of Arizona in the Senate. I think it's wrong to hold a grudge in American politics. I wanted to ask you about it because it may be symptomatic of a larger problem in politics today, which is this mirror campaign. You know, when when you're smeared from somebody on the other party, you may be expected a little bit more, but when it's happening from your own party in a primary isn't more surprising. Does it make it more difficult to feel really United with your party? When when you know people within that party have have lied about you in such. I in in such a really destructive way. Well, I've found in my experience, probably the most bitter campaigns are primaries within the party because you know, there's not sometimes not much philosophical difference, so they so they get into things. So primaries are usually pretty pretty bloody in and bitter sometimes more so than a than a general election. But the other thing about his politics is not being bag and gets tough. It's not being back and and it's tough in it's and it's, it's, it's difficult. But I think that what you really need to look at is the the campaign that you waged overall with some steaks and some excesses. I'm very proud of the campaign that we ran and I'm proud. I look back on the people that supported us and the people at rallied to us and the, you know, I, I'm very proud of the job that we did and for me to be angry five years later and say, this person did this or that. Personnel, they did this. Look. Americans want us to move on, and I was just re elected to the Senate in the last election in two thousand four. I campaign for the people of Arizona. So let me represent you and your interest in your values and your ambitions not look back in an anger at something that happened in a primary in South Carolina. Not only do I not hold a grudge as you know, campaign very vigorously for the reelection of President Bush, and I was glad to do. So again, I was asking not not because her holding because you know you're a campaign isn't the only campaign that this kind of thing has happened in. I'm wondering if you think that there's something that can be done to stop to stop those mirrors. Wondering too. If you consider this with Bo campaign against John, Kerry similar in fashion to this Moore campaign against you, or if you consider that to be, you know, the different animal altogether. I think it was different in in many respects because this was paid for ad campaign. What happened us was all sort of under the radar kind of thing. I in the campaign and you're talking about South Carolina. I think that the media can play a more instructive role. Maybe if the media had exposed some of this stuff more widely, we could have done a better job and maybe we should have done a better job in exposing in the swift boat campaign. I am mmediately condemned the attacks on John Kerry's combat record. I said it was dishonest and dishonorable to question his performance for this nation in combat. Now, anytime before or after his role in combat than I think it's relatively fair game. But no, I did not approve of of the attacks on John Kerry's combat record because he served honorably in Vietnam Justice, President Bush in my view, served honorably in the. National guard. Senator John McCain recorded in two thousand five. After we take a short break will hear the interview. I recorded with him in two thousand shortly after he lost the Republican presidential primary to George W Bush his family, memoir faith of my fathers had just been published in paperback. I'm Terry gross, and this is fresh air support for this NPR podcast. And the following message come from wicks dot com. A web platform for creating your own professional website with wicks, whether it's your first time, creating a website or you're a longtime pro, you can do it yourself shoes from hundreds of stunning templates or start from scratch with dragon drop technology and powerful web features. Join over one hundred twenty five million people already using wicks to create their own websites. 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"gulf tonkin" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

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05:30 min | 2 years ago

"gulf tonkin" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"Just, hear a home in the background is that a plane going by Yes yes yes okay great. I'll just wait till it goes Conrail slowly isn't it It may be a helicopter coming black, helicopter coming A dedicated watcher. Of twenty four you never know what can happen Because see they could kill two birds with one stone by wiping. Out of? Public National Public Radio as well as a. Political enemy you see so. It'd, be hard to resist this target. This is a dark plot indeed I think we are nearly safe now. That plane sounds in the. Distance Since we've been talking a little. Bit, about you know your experiences as a. Prisoner of war in. Vietnam now another applies to your thoughts about torture there's another Vietnam question I'd like to ask you the national security agency recently released hundreds of pages. Of formerly secret documents on the nineteen sixty four Gulf of Tonkin incident and this was the incident which we were told that the North Vietnamese fired on our boats in the Gulf of Tonkin as a result of this president Johnson authorized airstrikes and. Congress passed a resolution authorizing military action based on the Gulf of Tonkin now there's new documents that were released show. That we weren't, both really weren't fired on the Gulf of Tonkin incident never really happened but information. Was distorted to make it? Seem as if it did as a veteran what's your reaction to this Well we've, known for a long time that there were questions about the. Gulf, of Tonkin instant unquote and the important. More important aspect of. This Terry is that the firing suppose that it did happen this still is that enough rationale to escalate the conflict to the point where there's five. Hundred thousand people there and a full scale military engagement with fifty thousand killed without congress revisiting the issue it seems to me that that what we really saw was congress not playing the role that it's constitutionally appointed to do you see what I. Mean so you think that whether the Gulf of Tonkin happened or not congress should have revisited the issue and that's. Absolutely particularly when, we went from an escalation a dramatic escalation remember when the Gulf Tonkin incident took. Place there was a relative Small number of American troops on the ground in Vietnam and it dramatically escalated and as did the conflict congress should? Have revisited on numerous occasions in my view revisited and pulled our, troops out revisited at least at, least made decisions whether to remain there whether to accept, an escalation to. Whether it was in our national security interest, to continue the conflict They basically took a pass and let the executive, branch until after the Ted offensive basically the administration had a relative free hand in conducting the conflict Senator McCain. You supported the invasion of, Iraq and now your sports sending in more troops and say to. Pull out now would likely lead to full-scale civil war you've criticized secretary of Defense. Donald Rumsfeld felt for not having enough troops when we invaded Iraq Do you hold him responsible for. Any other things that you, consider to have been misjudgments and how the war has been executed A number of misjudgements when the looting started. And they fail to put that down with whatever it took created an environment of chaos and insecurity for the people of Iraq when. Wave vastly underestimated the challenge of this growing insurgency there was a period of time Terry when things were pretty quiet in Iraq. And we had a. Window of opportunity to rebuild the infrastructure. And and address, some of the problems that faced the country in they didn't do it the administration in. Baghdad was poorly done as you remember there was general garner was air and he was out and then Bremmer came in Mr Wolfowitz, said that we would pay for the war in Iraq with Iraqi oil revenues when the first insurgence or when the looting started Cherry Rumsfeld said stuff happens and then when the insurgency started he said. There was a few dead enders the reason why that they wish Grosz misunder estimation of the challenge we faced in the post conflict Aspect of Iraq We're listening. To the interview I recorded with Senator John McCain in two. Thousand and five we'll hear more of that interview after. A short break this is fresh air school. Employees in Texas want.

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