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"guantanamo" Discussed on Today, Explained
"While driving to that place. Where bush on the road. I was kidnapped by the world war and sold to the by the world lord of the general i was moved to the block side. One of the worst places on earth. You'll be lucky if you came out alive. Then once move to another detention and from there shipped who wanted. It was backed owen. The shoes was the uniform was orange. Everything was but there was something about my nick. Sign which was beat. Me got beating from under her. Until i arrived at guantanamo. How long were you in guantanamo. Before you figured out why you were there at the i. I was accused over nine insider then to team. They said no and clear if he actually joined the federal because they said none of the members or leaders denies member. Carter i said guys either yoursel qaeda or i don't know why was there and i used to. The interrogators turned two thousand twelve. Who are you. What's the new enter gets would come. What's your name has bin. The united insider come on muslim. Don't say that's why you guys get from my fucking house for the muslim for seven years. Eight thirty to two stuff skinny. How did you spend your twenties. I said what and know what you're talking about. Anybody live my twenty s. Time froze at that place. Imagine you were sent to a place totally disconnected from the world from your life from your family's from every from every think you are being kept and smith box or cage being treated. Torture experimented on punished for practicing. You're legion this guantanamo. And when you look if you just now google guantanamo america's betty la google what guantanamo guantanamo and. Recast battling guantanamo. america's battle lab. Did you find it. I got it when gene alive. Jeffrey miller arrived at guantanamo. Into by the end of two thousand two. I'm by the way giradi before he went to iraq on torture detainees in abe in boca prisoners. He was at guantanamo that we started developing what they call enhanced interrogation technique. Who was there when you were in guantanamo. Who who else was there. What kinds of people did you meet. All kind of you have students teachers. John's doctors Artists singers football players. bodybuilders. You know poets all kinds of people. There was some people from taliban the admitted they were. The fabric begin. Dissed samba leading bodyguards. You were there for fourteen years. You didn't experience your twenties. Did you ever think you'd get out. Yes we have strong faith. I remember one of the one of the enter gators. He used to me all the time. You're done throughout here. You're going to is where las hannah that i will leave here. Would they like it or not as a muslim may faith already sealed loss. I think no one can control that. When i met my lawyer in two thousand fifteen. I told her it's my time. I know we'll leave. What is your life like. Now that you've been released munster. They i mean to leave to place which i don't want to go. They first meet to leave to serbia. Told me either leave or in here. My life and short towards. I live in guantanamo two point. Oh as you as. I told you were being treated like terrorist. Many of us some of us still jail like the united arab emirates people. Who were you sit. Would we sit there and embarrass the still get for the last five years and other counties of the brothers were Sent to their home countries. Where they being tortured prison again. Some of the stigma of guantanamo but a law although those difficulties and i'm pushing situation and managed to finish my cottage this year on my theses is about his reintegration of former guantanamo detainees into your life and the labor market and we publish my book. Don't forget us. I haven't met my family. And i'm trying to leave to place where i can put my family start alive gift married and have two lovely girls.
"guantanamo" Discussed on Today, Explained
"Urge you to make sure that that doesn't happen. It was very difficult to convince members of congress. Us taxpayers that. They should pay to fly. These people who attacked our country into the country so that they could have a platform or somehow use that as a victory lap in some kind of way. Republicans like senator sessions said guantanamo. Suspects should not be tried anywhere on the. Us mainland american people and not interested in terrorist being brought from guantanamo to their own communities. Reality is a stubborn thing pretending that terrorists can safely be treated as common. Common criminals will not make it. So when i worked in the obama administration president obama appointed two special envoys one at the state department and wanted the defense department. Their sole job was to figure out how to release people from guantanamo bay so reviewing their case files making recommendations for release that the secretary of defense to sign off on there were regular meetings. If i remember correctly and there were huge diplomatic efforts with other countries to try to convince those other countries to take them. So gitmo has now been open under four presidents so obviously it's not just a challenge for one president prior to walking an order directing secretary mattis. Who is doing a great job. And in fact president trump actually just before his first state of the union address signed an executive order to keep guantanamo bay open indefinitely to reexamine our military detention policy and to keep. Open the detention facilities in guantanamo bay. Twelve years later does obama's vice president now have a better chance to shut it down. He has a better chance only because we're getting closer and closer to the trial dates or to a start date at least for some of these trials although they're not happening anytime soon but you could imagine that over the next four years or eight years were able to hold these trials into hold people accountable but then the question. Sean becomes while if these trials are held and okay. Let's say for example college shake. Muhammed is found guilty. In a court of law will where do you put him so there is also a chance that you just end up keeping a portion of that prison open that detention facility open if only to hold the few people that we could find guilty in an actual court of law but the us needed a place to put khalid sheikh mohammed. And as you said no states were willing does. That mean perhaps not guantanamo but something like it was necessary at some point in this war on terror. I mean i would never say that. Something like guantanamo bay was necessary. President bush could have brought four people to to the guantanamo bay naval base. That was already there and that would have been the challenge that we would have had to deal with instead he decided to bring hundreds and hundreds of people just sweeping them off the streets of ghanistan and bringing them in creating this legal and moral and strategic mass that he did that subsequent presidents h- to clean up basically. I mean it didn't have to be this way to answer your question. I don't know if we needed a place like guantanamo bay. But i certainly know that we didn't need.
"guantanamo" Discussed on Today, Explained
"Ended up there. I mean everybody you know in in the in the fog of war sort of you know. Us sources are in afghanistan. They're fighting the taliban they know that al qaeda's there are a lot of bad guys there were rounding people up and were literally holding tribunals on the spot trying to determine whether they should be put on a plane sent to get mo- there was a sense that if you were an arab in afghanistan in two thousand one two thousand to two thousand three that you were a bad guy when the us went into afghanistan for example we put a bounty on the head of arabs living in afghanistan. So we basically said we will pay you x. Number of dollars. If you turn in an arab fighter you can imagine the number of people that were turned in wrongly either by a neighbor who held a grudge against them and just wanted to collect some cash by giving them to the americans but shawn remember that. A lot of these arabs actually went to afghanistan in the eighties to fight the soviet union. And the us supported them at the time. After the soviet union left afghanistan defeat a lot of these fighters state. They got married. They built families. I mean they built a whole life over there. We didn't really take that into account when we were looking for. You know for arabs in afghanistan Let alone The afghans who were living there that we determined should be part of the detainee population in guantanamo bay. So you can imagine how many people were just caught up in that an ended up being there for years and years for no reason whatsoever just to give people an idea. Jasmine of what. Your experience may have been like if you had been wrongly detained at guantanamo in say one hundred two thousand to two thousand and three. How long did take you to become aware of. You're there and then after that to potentially be released. I mean short answer a very very long time. It took at least at least a couple of years between the time that the first detainees were brought to guantanamo bay to the time when they were actually provided with a piece of paper that had a list of the reasons why they were there and they were called allegations. the list of allegations. So we you know. We think that you did x. y. z. Would you like to respond to these allegations. So you're saying that you might be detained in a tiny cell beaten and tortured for multiple years before anyone even tells you why pretty much pretty much you could be. The reality is that they will be treated humanely in accordance with the precepts of the convention. Because that's the kind of people we are. We treat people. Well treat people humanely and you can be sure. That's what is Happening with the detainees at guantanamo and all others who are in the custody of the united states armed forces or other parts of the united states government picture. The first detainees arriving two thousand and two early two thousand three summer of two thousand four. The review boards start. It takes you know a few months. Sometimes it takes more than a year for the detainees to agree to participate. You know because remember. These were not legal proceedings. These proceedings were not recognized by any court of law so a lot of the detainees would refuse to participate in them. Because like we're not going to give this proceeding any legitimacy because we should not even be here and so if you can imagine that if you were there completely wrongly detained and some review board was set up to try to give you a chance to explain your story but you're afraid that your words may be used against you you know you're afraid that you might not be able to offer evidence for your story. I mean it was so so complicated that it took at least a few years for it to become clear whether a detainee should be released or not in his first week in office. President obama said he was gonna shut it down that's perseverance order signing authority investors. May as you were an assistant to the under secretary of defense at the time. Obama was trying to shut down guantanamo. What happened and probably expose detention facility at guantanamo consistent with national security and foreign policy interests of the united states and the interest of justice. Your by president obama had made it very clear from from day one that he was going to shut it down for a whole host of reasons. Not just because it was. It was a legal embarrassment and illegal travesty but also it was one of the top issues that was being used and still used today in in terrorist recruitment efforts. Terrorists and extremists will use guantanamo bay as a way to recruit people into their movements. It's counterproductive to our fight against terrorists because they use it as propaganda in their efforts to recruit. I mean you remember the photos from the early early days of guantanamo of men in orange jumpsuits kneeling down hands handcuffed behind their backs Barbed wire dogs torture waterboarding. I mean all of that stuff was happening completely outside of the realm of any legal justification whatsoever of course it's prime recruitment material and so why was it so hard for the obama administration to shut it down so there are two types of people right at guantanamo bay. The people that we eventually decided to release and the people that for example college shaykh muhammad. Who's actually a really bad guy. And we know that. And he's one of the people who's being tried for the september eleventh attacks there were challenges with both of those categories. The people that we wanted to release first of all we would try to release them to their home country their country of origin in some cases though they hadn't lived in that country of origin for years and years and so that country wouldn't want them back. So let's say saudi arabia for example or jordan. Or you know whatever country. They were like wait a minute. This person has not even lived. Here we don't know what they've been up to. They've been in gitmo. You know so. It becomes sort of a stigma. They carry around so that was one challenge. We had sometimes their home. Countries didn't want them when we would try to send them to third countries. Sometimes the third countries would want them. You'd be like wait a minute. Why are you trying to send these people are. We have nothing to do with this. In a lot of cases also we wouldn't even take them even though the. Us was responsible for bringing them to guantanamo. We knew that they were wrongfully detained. We recommended them for release. We still couldn't bring them to the us. Because of political considerations an outcry from people here do we have to release them in the united states. If we can't find a third country what do we do with them. So many challenges. And that's just with the people who we wanted to release with the other category like the people who we wanted to try. Last november holder announced nine eleven mastermind suspect khalid sheikh mohammed would be tried in federal criminal court in new york city. There was a huge outcry. When president obama even suggested that they would be flown to the us either to be held in maximum security prisons here or to be put on trial here. New york democrat chuck. Schumer asked him to look elsewhere. The overwhelming consensus in new york. As you know is that it shouldn't be there. And i just strongly.
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"guantanamo" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio
"So how do you. How do you think that the american public would react to that idea of a plea deal. I would say not well. It would feel that way to me as well. And it's just weird because when you make a plea deal you know that there's evidence against you. Generally this not always but the reasonably deal happens is because you know it looks really bad. You're probably going to get a super intense sentence so you take a plea deal in order to lessen that sentence that's what a plea deal is right right. You agree to plead guilty to some or all of the charges against you in exchange for some leniency in sentencing or series of concessions. Yes so like so like one example would be in. This is just a very general example. One example would be if you are already in prison for several heinous crimes right and you then you know you're attached to maybe another murder or something like that. Let's see multiple murder multiple people. Then you could make a plea deal to assist in in solving further in exchange for life in prison instead of execution like. That's a that's a very extreme case of plateau deals with fairly petty crime a smaller much smaller felonies. Where it's much it's more effective in getting a case through the system to to have someone accused something take a plea deal rather than having to go through a full trial right so you can get in this case. It's like okay we've done. All of this has been all this time rather than do a full trial. Just do plea deals well. What doesn't plead. Ill often involve giving somebody else up or providing useful information not necessarily not necessarily can but sometimes it's just the case record especially in like a petty crime the implication being that If you take this to a jury Then these sentence will reflect that you have inconvenienced the system..
"guantanamo" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio
"Here's where it gets crazy you. What as a matter of fact matt before we get to the trial. I think it's important to note that regardless again if your stance on prisons in general or get guantanamo bay detention camp in particular. It's not just human rights groups such as journalists talking about torture at this facility. People who worked there have come forward with this same claims this. This is something that you know for administration. So we're very supportive of bonomo. This this is at the very least not a good look in some cases. These are damning accusations Just last year january. Twenty second guy named james mitchell psychologist. An interrogator of prisons at guantanamo bay detention center testified about horrific human rights violations. That occurred at this at this facility. Wise mitchell important. Because he didn't just interrogate prisoners himself. She also created this as post september eleventh interrogation program and the stuff that he talks about is pretty gruesome. that's right. He described in graphic detail. How detainees were tortured while still not being charged with a crime or afforded. The you know the kind of treatment that even the most heinous criminal when get you know on. Us soil torture included the use of tactics like waterboarding between now of anyone seen zero dark thirty or any of these films that came out around the war on terror probably seen depictions of that. Mock burials stress positions. That's we've seen believe their photographs of that from the abu ghraib prison scandal as well folks like you know in these kind of being forced to stand on a very narrow bucket for a very long time or being forced into these. Very uncomfortable poses All kinds of deprivation torture in terms of sonic torture. All of that kind of stuff and since many of the detainees guantanamo. Where i held in these black sites which we've got a whole episode or maybe multiple ones about Then are created by the cia that don't officially exist or they might have been held elsewhere by the military And they were also tortured before being transferred to one tana mobile. There is no official chain of custody right or records showing where what happens to them. And they're able to use that legal loophole of guantanamo. Not officially being on us soil to justify that even if that stuff happened elsewhere. It's all very very slippery The lawyers involved are all required to sign indy as nondisclosure agreements that prevent them from talking about any claimed act of torture. Goes back to the netflix documentary. Just because it shows you the exact wording of the these types of enhanced interrogation that they were using and why they were using them how they got the government to sign off on it and can't just watch it if he can. What was the famous line like icy new problem with this..
"guantanamo" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio
"But it's pretty clear that people are getting lost in the shuffle and the innocence are absolutely being scooped up and kept Without due process you know under pretty nasty conditions which again i would argue could actually make a non radical person into a radical person that could make the united states a real quick enemy right. They didn't feel that way to start. Yeah that's important making earlier. Exactly because how would it's a good question to ask. So what does it mean. If you don't have these protections well it means that the government can do things like keep evidence against you secret or evidence just involved in your case secret and it could take evidence derived from torture and it could hold you if you are a detainee indefinitely. There is no end date to your sentence. Some chris also means there could be no evidence against just. Because it's a secret. It's a black box. So critics of this arrangement or critics of the way organized currently maintain. You'll you'll hear them argue that these military commissions military commissions sidebar or tribunals organized outside of us and international law by the dod by the department of defense so critics are saying that these military commissions are explicitly created to a vade those normal rules of not just civilian but military courts and it may surprise some fellow conspiracy realist today to learn almost two decades later. Some of these people in guantanamo right now have never even had a trial. What.
"guantanamo" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio
"Additionally when we say it was a strong arm. Deal should've mentioned this earlier. The us required cuba to amend their co constitution to incorporate this agreement. This kind of devil's bargain. If they if the cuban government did not agree than the us would not have allowed them full independence because after the treaty of paris was spain. It was kind of up to them up to the. Us government of the time. What happened to cuba. Puerto rico the philippines wom. This was something that the cuban government was forced to do. And so if you are growing up in the area then you can understand why this would seem tremendously like this would seem like a problem right like what if you. What if you grew up in you knew that in your country right or in your state. There was this foreign occupying force. No one could do anything about it. And they're what they're paying like for. What is four thousand. Just like four thousand dollars divided by twelve. Like how much is the monthly rent. There i totally see what you're saying. Then but i think if you have someone some power help you gain independence then having that power in some presence in some way in your country is probably not balked at as as heavily. Sure i mean. I think that's a valid point but let's also consider that before the. Us came into the into the theater of this war. The only cuban. The cuban people have been fighting for independence against the spanish for decades. So you could say. I'm sure many critics of this policy. Who agree you could say that. What happened is the us kind of came in at the end. Yeah and said look at us. We're helping sort of like if you're if you've ever helped a friend moved and somebody shows up right at the end right and they carry one box and then you know who i am. Man zoff did we get some of that pizza and beer. I totally see that. Point to ben. Because i think i think both might be true a little bit even if they helped out a little bit maybe forty five miles square miles of land. Isn't that crazy. But then pushing it. Further and further from one thousand nine hundred date to the nineteen thirty four date when they tried to get it in the constitution. That's when you're like. Oh that's a little. Come on whether you wanted to be independent. Don't you or you know what. Hey that's a. That's a nice idea for a country. You have would be cool if it worked out. Yes but also from the cuban perspective strategically if you've got the united states military as an ally in it's just up there and you've got a bay down here where they can deploy anybody that's gonna come and mess with. Cuba isn't going to cause the. Us navy is the big player in town in the world. And i can imagine how that's also that goes into the calculus of are. Maybe we should go along with this. I completely agree. And you've reminded me of a quotation from a senator at the time in the us that maybe we'll give some more context into the motivations for this sport unquote protected defensive. Move as the as the. Us was ramping up to to intervene in cuba. One senator pulled out all the stops to try to get everybody on board with this intervention. His name is senator. john thurston i. He said it was his wife's dying. Wish to quote free. Cuban it's people and then just for backup. He added this. He said war with spain would increase the business and the earnings of every american railroad would increase the output of every american factory. It would stimulate every branch of industry and domestic commerce. It would greatly increase the demand for american labor and in the end every certificate that represented a share of an american business. Enterprise would be worth more money than it is today. Not quite protecting. People's quality of life has an odd quote to me. Man that is wow doesn't american senator. That is that is the senator john. Thurston jonkers my wife's dime wish. No kidding you guys is to free the cuban people from spanish occupation also. Who likes money. Yeah everything's going to get better. Wow that's that's intense okay. And it's it's strange to think of it that way because people do argue for economic benefits in war there just careful about who they're talking to when they say it you know they read the room. So that's why you'll hear politician. It may be a public facing environment. Say something like we're protecting our national interest. What are those national interest. Exactly so your question. Well what do you think those national interests are. You can find us on the internet right. Let us know absolutely we. We would love to hear if you've got stories about the history of cuba about history of guantanamo bay. Anything that's related to what we talked about. 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Julie Kelly and Mark Levin Agree Philip Bump Is a Fraud
"Great. You know, when people do their little hit jobs, they don't understand. I hit back twice as hard. We have this guy Phil bump. National correspondent Washington Compost You spent a lot of time interviewing individuals in the jail from January 6th interviewing their lawyers going through the charging documents to the your knowledge. Has this Communist for the Washington Post filled bomb ever been to the jail? No. In fact, I doubt that he knows that the deplorable jail even exist. There is no indication in his column that he realizes that three dozen January 6th capital protesters are sitting in that jail has been in that jail since February. And that there are dozens of all for other jails across the country being denied bail simply because of their involvement in January six He doesn't mention that in his article. Why do you think that is Because he's a fraud. That's right. Let's go on, he says. Here, um Host Mark Living is focused on the issue repeatedly in June, he told his audience that we're hearing That there in some of the worst jails. Some are being put in solitary environment where they only have an hour where they can go outside of that. That they're being fed poor food. They're being treated like they're terrorists at Guantanamo Bay, where they be treated actually better. Is there something I said there that's inaccurate. No. And, um it's too bad that Philip Bump didn't listen to the oath Keepers status hearing that I did today, where there are three keepers. None charged with violent crime. No weapons charge. No assaulting police officers, No direct
The Washington Post's Philip Bump Is Obsessed With Mark Levin
"If you would Philip Bump the national correspondent for the Washington compost. Philip Bump is very obsessed with Fox. He doesn't like Peter Doocy is very obsessed with talk with your the national correspondent. There's so many things you can write about, but Philip Bump is a true believer. Now I once saw a picture of this guy, Mr Producer. His head is as big As an oversized pumpkin. Sort of a fat ass with a big hit. May I say that? I think I will. And he has this piece today. The Where is some pro capital riot activism isn't a rally. It's in right wing media. So of course he's attacking Fox. He's attacking yours truly. He cherry picks what I say. Because he can't help it. He's a stupid obsessed four. Host Mark Levin is focused on the issue repeatedly meaning what's happening. To, I guess Now it's about 600 people who've been picked up in June. He told his audience that we're hearing that they're in some of the worst jails and some are being put in solitary confinement. But they only have an hour where they can go outside. If that that they're being Fed poor food. They're being treated like they're terrorists at Guantanamo Bay. Would they be treated actually better. He added that the events that day were not an insurrection. So this is what infuriates them. We must destroy people
Taliban Announces Formation of New Afghan Government
"The taliban announced a new government in afghanistan. that's not likely to get a lot of support from western nations. It does not include any women or members from the last afghan government's leadership instead. This new interim government is stacked with taliban veterans who were in charge of the hardline government. Twenty years ago. Several of them are listed by the us and united nations as global terrorists. For example. the key post of interior minister was given to a man. Who's on the fbi's most wanted list. He led a network. That's blamed for many deadly attacks and kidnappings and he's believed is still holding at least one american hostage besides him. Other cabinet members used to be inmates at guantanamo detention camp and at least one of the leaders is said to have ties to the al qaeda terror group that was responsible for the attacks on nine eleven. The taliban says these appointments are temporary but they have not said how long the last who is going to take over next or if there might be elections for now. The taliban is also urging foreign diplomats embassies consulates and humanitarian organisations to come back to afghanistan all western nations left when. Us troops withdrew last month. The us and other countries also froze afghanistan's funding. That's desperately needed as much as eighty percent of the country's budget comes from the international community but global leaders in lenders say they're waiting to see how the taliban will treat the opposition women and minorities before they send money
Who Are the Taliban's Leaders and Its Rank-and-File?
"The taliban took back control of afghanistan. There's been a lot of waiting wondering and worrying about how they will rule the country but we wanted to go bit more granular and ask who makes up the taliban today. It's not a simple question and we don't expect a simple answer. I'm lead hucker is going to take a stab at it. He's the editor of the afghan. I an independent media outlet and he's based in london. I'm eddie first. Question is about the person who's been named the head of the taliban led afghan government will abdelghani. Dr who is he well. He is from southern upon istana and he essentially cut his teeth in the outgun political battlefield during the soviet invasion and occupation he partook in was called the soviet jihad and obviously after the withdrawal of the soviet forces and the collapse of the puppet communist government we saw a surge in infighting amongst the mujahedeen and in one thousand nine hundred four essentially. What were a group of virginia dean. Commanders leaders and southern onto stone got together and formed a political organization called the taliban and now the taliban means literally students and as a social educational network existed for centuries in the south of the country from which malabo that is from. But this was the first time they became a political organization so malabo brought is essentially for all intents and purposes a co founder of. That's audubon a veteran. I wanna move to the rank and file members of the taliban who are they in terms of background education. Where they're from the rank and file it's difficult to sort of characterize them as a monolith however the way in which we could essentially characterize them as generally rural religiously educated so they are literally can read and they can write and generally very young. So almost you know. In that mid-twenties most of them don't remember the toddler bonds previous government in late nineteen ninety s rather their only real remembered experiences of living off the two thousand guantanamo
"guantanamo" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"Transfer of you know muhammad al qahtani so i i think either. You're missing my point. I wasn't clear and my money is on the line. Maybe both so my point is not that they ought to do this at the expense of every other item on their domestic agenda. Because it's not hard to imagine. How every single republican will react. My point is that it is not. We're not gonna get anywhere unless they do. And so. yeah. I mean ben. Do i understand why. Closing guantanamo is administration's expanding any capital. Of course i do. If i were in the administration would feel the same way quite. Possibly that doesn't change the fact that they're the only ones in a position to do anything about it. And that's that's why were stuck now as opposed to why we've been stuck previously. I do think there are things they can do. Short of you know using their razor thin democratic majorities on guantanamo. I don't think for example the video plea deal proposal requires any legislation at all and so in so far. That was something they were willing to. Do you know as long as there were defendants who are willing to acquiesce. Identify could be pursued. I didn't they could really ramp up the efforts to not just get all ten of the pr. Be clear detainees out of guantanamo. But to actually see if any of the seventeen not. Pr be clear detainees might now actually get through the process because that has happened before so i won't be as clear as possible. It is not that. I blame the biden administration for where we are today. I do not. It's that so much of the sort of reasons why we're going to continue to be stock are because of the political factors that will lead the administration to expand capital on the things. It would need to do to actually make meaningful dent in that number okay and this brings us very neatly to al hilla the dc circuit case a to which you referred earlier which involves has actually potentially substantial implications for a lot of people but i think particularly for the remaining detainees who were in abdelatif nassar's position that is people who were pr be cleared for transfer got kind of stuck so Walk us through where where we are with that okay. So is one of a couple of the seventeen detainees who have not been cleared by pr. Bees whose habeas petitions took a really really really long time. These are not like second successive. These are first petitions and al hilo along with stifle a piracha. And there's i think one other. Ms i fully to purchase i. It's it's even hard for me to keep track of all these things. Anyway so al heels case finally got to the dc circuit last year and it produced this remarkably two thousand and nine like opinion because it produces remarkably two thousand nine like panel where you had a three judge panel of judges naomi. Row a raymond randolph. And former judge riffs and for folks who don't have the dc circuits guantanamo jurisprudence committed to memory. Judge ran off is the one who wrote the opinion that was reversed by the supreme court in brazil. He's the one who wrote dependent was your first by the supreme court in hamdan. He's the one who wrote the opinion that was reversed by the supreme court in boumediene and he was the one who worked the opinion that was vacated by the supreme court in piazza has some views on guantanamo. So the three judge panel held a couple of pretty important things but most importantly it held at guantanamo detainees categorically. Do not have due process rights. Judge griffiths separate concurring. Opinions suggest that it was unnecessary to reach that conclusion because as various other panels had done at various other points. One could assume that you process clause applied if one believe that whatever process that detainees had received met due process standards. And then the the detainee. Mr al hilla sought rehearing on bonk from dc circuit given. How sort of one sided a panel. He had received. The disease agreed to rehear the case on bonk. But and here's what technical especially important only the due process issue. There were actually some other important questions that the panel decided about. Whether the scope of the government's detention authority includes the power to detain someone who is not a member of al qaeda or any of its affiliated groups but who provided substantial support to al qaeda affiliates through non-belligerent activity. That's a big deal to that is not what's going before the on the unbound is just as i am the due process question so of course this led to the question of well. What's the biden administration gonna say about the due process clause and again we're back to carol and charlie's report in an according to caroline charlie. There was a huge interagency. Kerfuffle about what the by initiations position ought to be where all three positions were represented. Basically the notion that the due process clause should apply to the detainees and yet was satisfied. Here the notion that the court should not reach whether it applies because even if it does it was satisfied and the notion that the it was not applicable. All three positions were aired. Apparently the middle one one and so the brief that we have not seen as we've been told by caroline. Charlie takes no position on the due process question. It merely takes the position that to whatever extent to process applies the procedures at guantanamo comport with due process. Exactly so and that's an elegant compromise. If you don't think about it that much the reason why. I'm i'm sort of wary of that compromise and the reason why i've been wary of opinions making that point. Go all the way back to. I think it was then circuit. Judge brett cavanaugh. Who was the first. Big argument is because various judges on the dc circuit have suggested that some of the critical procedural rulings that the court of appeals reached in the first round of post boumediene cases ben back nine ten and eleven were informed by the assumption that the due process clause did not apply so for example the notion that the correct standard of of the burden of proof is a preponderance of the evidence not clear and convincing evidence. Well judge silverman has all but said the reason why you know. They're not troubled by hamdi is because that case of course was about due process so color me skeptical that the dc circuit jurisprudence over the last eleven twelve years would look the same if the due process clause clearly applied to the detainees. But the larger point. And i'm just gonna say working now i'll shut up. Is you know whatever this means. For the habeas cases it has enormous implications for the military commissions because to whatever extent in the government can get away with the argument that the procedures. These defendants are the detainees are receiving satisfied. You processing the habeas context. You know ben courts have a much better idea of what due process requires the criminal context especially in the capital context. And that's where i think. Al hilla could have enormous practical ramifications on the military commissions side answering that question one way or other. And do you have an instinct about how to handicap the bank dc circuit on this point. And let me just make the question a little harder and do you have an instinct about if the on bank dc circuit agrees with you. What the chances are the. Supreme court would regard the matter cert worthy where i have to say. There certainly is not a majority in my view for the idea..
"guantanamo" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"Martin stepping down but the government filed something asking for an extension and then the government has since filed a very careful a tight rope walking brief where they are declining to defend. Judge a costa's decision but they're not agree on that it's wrong. Basically where they want sort of live to fight this the the the administration's not asking this emc are to affirm. But they're also not willing to concede that a cost to was incorrect so that they can have this issue for a future case if they want it. That seems to be ben. What forced or pushed martin's out whether it was his own or whether it was he was asked to step down by the very few people above him in the chain of command. I only a handful of people know but it seems to be that. The by the ministration insisted on martin's not defending that ruling on appeal. And that was the last straw. So your your inference. Here is that martin's wanted to defend this decision and the biden administration Did not although having gotten rid of him. They didn't acknowledge error. In the case either right did not have knowledge error. What they're basically saying is that they are not that they're not defending basically that they're going to sort of you know stipulate. I think what they've done. They're going to stipulate to sort of a withdrawal of that opinion without considering that it was error that basically there are no longer going to seek to introduce that evidence against al nashiri and therefore the legal issue is moot. moot not necessarily settled. And so you know. I think the the reason why ben i feel somewhat comfortable in the inference. Although it's right to say that there's an inference is because we only got to this point because the prosecutors under the direction of general martin's had pushed for this ruling in the first place and so i find hard to believe it was the other way round right. I find it hard to believe that. A legal argument advanced by general martin's and his prosecutors that pushed gentle martin's out because he was standing by the same argument. If you follow me. Because he wasn't ended by this. I it's usually the most logical inference here is that he wanted the government to defend that decision. The people above him didn't and they just reached some kind of intractable in impasse. So this brings us to the more general point about the proceedings. Continuing in the military commissions are not as the case may be albeit without the chief prosecutor. Unlike latiff if nasser there are these detainees who have pending charges against them including mr al-nashiri and the five nine eleven accused conspirators. Where are we at this point. I mean for those. I would say overwhelming majority of listeners and l'affaire readers who have frankly lost track of the saga of the military commissions. What does it mean that proceedings resumed and is the resumption of proceedings really mean the resumption of a stalling at a different rate. I would say stalling for different reasons right. That as opposed to be installed by cova did. Now we're back to where we were before. Which is with different cases stalling because of various procedural impasses. So you know the reality is. I mean there are ten defendants spread across four trials or at least four cases there. Is you mentioned the five nine eleven defendants alan the sheree hotmail rocky also known as national to mir and then there are the three sort of the so-called indonesia defendants whose cases the least far along who were just only a couple months ago arraigned and there are also to be clear a couple who have clad right so i'll alu. Oslo was convicted and majd conp- lead so there are two. There are two still guantanamo. Who are on the far side of the military commissions system introduced in in sort of post conviction imprisonment. If you will better we could do like an hour on each of the cases and why they're stuck in the mud make a long story short yes. The resumption of prasino's guantanamo means that we will go from zero movement toward trial in. This case is toward the very slow paced movement toward trial that we had seen before last march. You know i still think a twenty twenty four trial date in the nine eleven cases still to me wildly optimistic probably the same violence show because the the wildcard here and the mark martin store is a good example of this. The wildcard here is interlocutory. Appeals and the specter that if the trial courts hand down you know rulings that really tilt very heavily one way or the other. There's going to be time. Spent taking that issue to the cr. And then if necessary the dc circuit perhaps without the trial being able to continue perhaps without further progress in the proceedings. And in the nashiri case when that happened indeed they went backwards three and a half years so there are so many things still to be worked out. There are so many questions still to be answered. And frankly i mentioned ben. The ongoing fight in the al hilla case about whether the due process clause applies at all to the detainees. That's on the habeas salad. Wait man we're getting to that but don't jump the gun. I'm not jumping the gun. I'm just tying threads together which is to say that like what the dc circuit does in that case could yet further either slowdown or throw a wrench into the you know the the incredibly slow march of pretrial proceedings and each of these four cases. I have a quick question. Actually if i could. But in steve this is like i feel like i'm one of those people that ben was saying before is like sort sort of lost a threat to actually hearing you lay it all out like this is very very helpful but the fact that this is like this has been dragging on for so long my my my question is like he's there anybody anybody on any side of this. Who is happy with the way things are going right now not publicly so you know i had thought this is why i took it back to the mark martin story for a second. I mean you know say what you will about general martin's and he and i have certainly had our differences over the years but man if you needed someone to stand up and say you know this is going okay. We'll just have to keep the only way out is through like yes you know. Kip common carry on like that was his stick. Was you know. We're reinventing the wheel. This is gonna take awhile. They're going to be some bumps and bruises but we're marching in the right direction. And so you know to me. At least right. General martin's sort of stepping off stage is just yet another nail in this coffin of like. What are we still doing here. I mean you know ben no i wrote a piece for for l'affaire i just went back and looked at when i wrote. It was april of twenty nineteen titled. It's time to admit that the military commissions have failed. You know here. We are two years and three months later and they haven't gotten any better. And if you wanna symbol general martin's leaving is quite simple and it's not a good one so there may be people out there who still think. Everything's going great with the military commissions. I'm hard pressed to think of anyone who says that publicly. I don't think there's anybody. I mean as somebody who defended the military commissions for quite a while. I haven't done so publicly in years. It seems to me they. They have a demonstrated record of failure across all of the axes that justify their existence in the first place. And i don't know anybody who argues to the contrary.
"guantanamo" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"Kind of if you were looking. I say i think from a political strategy perspective. We're coming up on the twentieth anniversary of nine eleven Guantanamo still being there is kind of a reminder of what went wrong. I think to a lot of people and in a way to get people out of there would look like a mic. One time a smaller or to get rid of it Or close it down would be a win for this administration that said they. You know it's it's really hard getting guys out of there abdelatif first of all as you said. He had that sort of transfer package. It was completely done. It was just kind of paperwork that got snarled at the end. Like you know the secretary of defense his signature on a piece of paper essentially and so. That's what was holding him up. But like if you look at sort of his case like he's going back to morocco a country that is a stable country ally the united states. He has family there waiting for a job there waiting for him a house there waiting for him like he he was i think on paper he was the easiest case to transfer one of the folks i talked to who is involved in putting transfer together said that his case was not a low hanging fruit his case was annot hanging fruit it was like it was just right there it was It was the layup that the biden administration could just kind of put in the bucket. So steve how should we understand this transfer. There are fortyish people remaining at guantanamo. How many of them are plausible. Transfers at this point and how many of them fall into this category of really really difficult to imagine what a disposition that doesn't involve continued detention. Looks like there are Often like to think that there are four. categories ben of guantanamo detainees. And you know for folks who haven't seen it. The new york times has a fantastic thing called the guantanamo docket which really is a super helpful breakdown of of all of this including the four categories so with the transfer of missile latif. There are ten detainees who are of the remaining thirty nine who have already been cleared by the periodic review boards. Who you know. Meet the other sort of internal criteria for transfer and so the question is just if the biden administration is going to be able to find somewhere to send them of those tennis. Worth stress in a bunch of them are yemeni and that has continued to pose difficulties on the resettlement question. And just to be clear that because you can't easily repatriate somebody to yemen because of the state of that country so you have to find some third-country country attributing to take the person. At least one of the ten is stateless which raises complications of its own. So those ten. I think it's right to sort of about this the way. Let's put it as no hanging fruit. Said the low hanging fruit are the ten you know who have been cleared in are still there. There are another seventeen who are in detention not in the military commissions who have not been cleared by. Prp's and you know. I think those are the most complicated cases for the administration politically that will be the last nut to crack in the universe at guantanamo. There are two of the remaining thirty nine who are serving sentences pursuant to military commission convictions. And then there are ten who are in various stages of pretrial proceedings in the military commissions. And that's it and so you know twenty seven of the thirty nine on the tension side twelve of the thirty nine and the military commission side and the twelve on the military commission side that have their own problems. But i think from the from the perspective of an administration that has not repudiated commissions. You know. I think it's safe to assume those are going to soldier ahead at whatever terrifyingly slow paced. They're soldier in the the. You know the real political challenge the by administration the the diplomatic challenges. The ted who have already been cleared the political challenges the other seventeen all right before we turn to the other major issues that arose which coincidentally involve those other groups of people. Let's finish up with with the transfer Situation latif have you been in touch with Lot of nassar's family owned with him. I you were sort of famously. Not able to have direct contact with him while you were reporting your story about actually surprised. You're not in morocco hanging out with him now. It's yeah it was. I was very tempted. Let me tell you But i basically in reporting i did. A number of interviews with former guantanamo detainees. And those were the hardest interviews. I've ever done in my entire career impart because these men have been through a lot and they are very i mean they have all kinds of sort of ptsd and they have all kinds of Hesitations and unwillingness which you can sort of imagine to sit and subject themselves to more questions and so to me. I like that was actually very much. My first impulse like here. He's got gets transferred. Just jump on a plane. But then i realized that actually probably more productive. What would lead to a better interview and a more kinda humane way to approach. It is to sort of give them a little time. Let them settle with his family. modal space. I didn't want to be you know the pozo going in through brittany spears bathroom window or whatever and just give them a little space and then and then kinda pursue it. After that. And i think that Yeah i i have been sort of in touch with him through his lawyer and and as well with the family Again through the lawyer and yet they are. They are ecstatic. They're so excited They are and especially because it. Sort of coincidentally thank happened to be. He'd when when he sort of the day before he lands there so he celebrating his first. You know holiday with his family in nineteen years so they are. They are Very excited they are very. They're also a little bit. I mean kind of tender transitional time for them. Yeah so i. I think it's kinda we'll see how it shakes out and hopefully i'll be able to To get that you know interview that i've been waiting for for like five years now. So steve let's talk about general mark martin's who was the chief prosecutor of the military commissions. And as you described contended for a number of years that he would be there through the nine eleven trial mark. Martin's has now announced his retirement. The nine eleven trials still hasn't happened. What happened well you know. We only know been publicly. Reported ben and and so. I think it's an important caveat upfront but there are coincidences. That seemed to give a lot of credence to the public reporting. So carol rosenberg and at least on one of the stories i think. Charlie savage reported that martin's stepped away as the result of fight with others in the biden administration albeit unnamed. Others about the position the government was going to take on an interlocutory appeal in the al-nashiri case al-nashiri folks may remember is the alleged accused mastermind of the october. Two thousand bombing of the us has coal. It's al-nashiri case where the dc circuit in twenty nineteen wiped away three and a half years of pretrial proceedings because of a conflict that the trial judge hadn't disclosed here. Now ben what. We're what everyone's fighting about is an effort by the government led at the time general martin's to introduce statements al-nashiri made while he was in cia custody and by every account accept the government's being tortured not at his trial but at least in support of certain pretrial proceedings and the military commission and that fight produced a ruling by the trial. Judge judge a cost a gosh. I think it was late last year early this year. Adopting what to my mind was a rather implausible. Reading of the military commissions act under which those statements could be admitted for pretrial proceedings because pretrial proceedings were not quote proceedings in a military commission on that the that was just a reference to the trial. Whoever has the better argument al-nashiri has appealed that to the court of military commission review and general martin. Sears for court my favorite court the court that has has done the most the most article one courts bad name of any court. I can think of so. The that appeals. Pending and the time in of martin's departure was the day. The government's response was due and on that date. Not only did you know the times..
"guantanamo" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"Stagnated. We talked about the resignation of general martin's. And we talked about the dc circuits. Latest forays into guantanamo bay. It's though l'affaire podcast. July twenty third a guantanamo update with latiff. Nassar and steve vladeck. So steve get us started. It's been a a big few weeks for guantanamo news which usually doesn't take place in big clusters give us an overview of how the the world the small world of guantanamo bay is different this week than it was safe three weeks ago. Well i mean. I think the first thing is that there are things happening in the military commissions. I mean we've were on the far side of what was a sixteen seventeen month pause in every single pretrial proceeding in all four of the pen. No military commission cases and you know we had the first proceedings in at least two of those cases in the last couple of days in the last week or so. So that's i think a big shift. There's one fewer detainees guantanamo then. There was a couple of weeks ago. So we've had the first you know. Transfer of a detainee out of the administration at least a transfer that wasn't pursuant to a plea agreement since president obama's last folded office in two thousand seventeen and we no longer have general mark martin's as the chief prosecutor of the military commissions even though at various points general martin's had told various folks that he was gonna see the nine eleven trial all the way to its conclusion that ended up not happening Apparently it didn't happen because of a disagreement over some litigation strategy. So you know. These are at least in guantanamo land. Pretty big deals and then the fourth piece of news is sort of less of a pretty big deal because it was sort of a punt but the the biden administration filed its brief under seal in probably the most important guantanamo case. The dc circuit has heard in a while about whether the due process clause applies to the guantanamo detainees and apparently according to report him from carol. From charlie savage the administration took no position on that question. So you know. I would say ben four to five pretty big news items that i didn't matter a lot on their own but together also i think are a pretty interesting inflection point all right so we're going to go through each of those in turn but i wanna start with the transfer. The trump administration had not transferred people at least not pursuant to plea agreement and the the gentlemen transferred was named lot if nassir and we happen to have lots of nassir. Al beit a different one right here. Lot f- tell us about the gentleman who was transferred from guantanamo. This week and how you came to be interested in him. Yeah well. I guess. Maybe i'll answer the second question. I and in a way in your introduction you already answered it. Which that i found too much to my sort of befuddle moment a few years back when i was just sort of procrastinating on twitter that there was this guy at guantanamo who had my same name. Yeah i just like. I didn't realize that such a person exists. As soon as i did. I immediately wanted to know everything i could about him. So kind to your to the first part of your question. Basically what i could find out. Then there was pre little about him out there. The first kind of place where i found anything was on the guantanamo docket on the new york times website. And basically what. I found about him there through those Like leaked dod dossiers. It sounded very nefarious. I mean he basically the the charges. They were actually formal charges. But basically what they said were. He was a top explicit expert of al qaeda. He was top advisor to osama bin laden. He helped blow up the bamiyan buddha statues which were a unesco world heritage site he fought. Us and coalition forces at the battle of tora bora and then wound up at guantanamo where he had all kinds of disciplinary infractions. And everything like that. That's sort of what it said. I had this very stark picture of the sky. And then when i talked to his attorney a woman. By the name of shelby sullivan bennett. Who was then at the law firm reprieve. She basically said the exact opposite she said. No no no. This guy was an aid worker at the wrong place the wrong time. Yeah he never. Al qaeda didn't have any kind of relationship with osama bin laden and so on and so on and basically this guy the us paid a ransom for this guy and they got a guy who you know Who's just mixed up in something. Nothing do with and never had charges and never had a trial and then to kind of to make matters more intense. What at the time. When i discovered around Twenty two ebb and of two thousand sixteen early twenty seventeen. He had gone before this. Pr be hearing this parole like process Board made up of people from the heads of six top agencies of the us government and they unanimously declared that he was that they didn't need to be holding him any longer he was not a continuing threat so he was this guy that was sort of like cleared on paper but remained at guantanamo. Not sort of when. I found him when i started doing research into his story. And as you reported in your excellent radio lab series about him he kind of got hung up in this end of the obama administration period where he was Notionally under under certain circumstances cleared to be transferred to and yet it kinda didn't just didn't happen before trump took office. What do we know a lot about the circumstances of his actual transfer was it just that the biden administration picked up where the obama administration left off when it left office and now that they had the chance they affected the transfer order or is there more to the story than that. That's basically the story. There's maybe a little more to the story like it does feel like in general. The story is the his transfer was kind of this une. Cash check from the obama administration of the biden administration. Just finally you know endorsed or whatever but basically there were other things..
Biden Administration Announces First Guantanamo Detainee Transfer
"The Biden administration has transferred a detainee from the U. S military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to Morocco. It's the first such prisoner release since President Biden took office. The 56 year old Moroccan was held at Guantanamo for 19 years without charge. 39 detainees remain at the
Biden Administration Transfers Its First Detainee From Guantánamo Bay
"Divided administration has transferred to detainee out of the Guantanamo Bay detention facility for the first time, sending a Moroccan man back home some five years after a review board had recommended his
"guantanamo" Discussed on Skullduggery
"Will it just seems to me. Look the fbi for years investigated in particular the events in southern california. Where the two hijackers fly in january two thousand and then are provided all this help. They apartment is set up for them a bank account and set up for them. You know they're they're welcomed and they're taking care of even though neither of them spoke english or had any ties to the united states which has raised questions who helped them. And why it seems to me that those defendants sitting in gitmo particularly. Sm might have you know better insight into answering that question than anybody else. Certainly in us custody and it seems that. There's a disconnect. Here are the case against him as built upon. Fbi interrogation of kiss in two thousand seven after he was brought in from the block sites. It was a very targeted questioning by the fbi. Over a number of days in order to build a case against them. I find it unlikely than in those questioning. They raised Issues involving the fbi's lack of foresight for understanding what became known as the sneak attack. If you're saying could there be the possibility that through. I mean i sound like i'm advocating. I'm not through a plea deal where there's a requirement for cooperation and he would have to be or could potentially be deposed. That's what they do down there getting out they range for people that turn cooperator. So i'm not saying that taking death off the table would make them available to the families. And i'm not saying that the families who are posing those questions we'll get any satisfaction from them but his lawyers are not gonna lound participate in that lawsuit discussion while there's a capital pasting in over his head right. Go in the millions of pages of investigations. A how people screwed up and then learned about what happened. In the nine eleven attacks there are answers to the saudi role or lack thereof. There probably are. But i don't think it leads to k- assem in that discovery in the nine eleven ballad gabon and i'm told family members that because i think that there's you know there's they have people have a lot of questions also with the cole attack but when you're building a case to prosecute and puts them one to death only alternative. Theories are raised by the defense if they can figure out a way to do it with justification all right well carol. I want to thank you. The one thing that my main take away from this conversation is given that you are the gitmo reporter for the new york times. You were a journalist with permanent job. Security you know going to the mark martin's Deciding to retire abruptly is not going to bring the trial date of the nine eleven accused sooner and it could very well postpone it later but there is no start of trial date. They need hearing to set up the trial by the way one quick last question. I should ask you this earlier. is you know. Obama came in in january. Two thousand nine was going to shut down gitmo here. We are all these many years later and it is still there. Do the biden people. Are they even talking about shutting down gitmo and if they did what would they do with the the people still there. That's the aspiration and it is clear that the only way to close born panama is to move it and to bring some of the detainees to the united states. And i would say that until they can get permission or figure out how to move people to the united states. they're stuck with gitmo that said that doesn't preclude if they can bring them here putting them on trial here through either. A military commission continuing the military commissions be legal challenges to that up the wazoo immediately. The aclu would be in court there in us. You're this in the united states. Court system governs in the markets. They've been making why it's illegitimate. Yeah all right anyway carol. Thanks and Continue your endless reporting on the endless trial in guantanamo. Thanks a lot. Thanks carol lou. Okay we now have with us. Jay johnson the former secretary of homeland security j. doddery regular at this and skulduggery regular. Yes so we to have you on today because we just had a conversation with carol rosenberg of the new york times about knows a lot more about one. Time events in guantanamo The chief prosecutor longtime chief prosecutor of the military commission trial has just resigned. There's no chief judge as we approach the twentieth anniversary of nine eleven in less than two months. There is no trial date for trying. The people who did nine eleven starting with colleague shaykh muhammad before you were secretary of homeland security. You were general counsel at the defense department in two thousand nine and among those who pushed for a military commission trial down in gitmo for the perpetrators of nine eleven as you look back on that today. 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Guantanamo Prisoners Now Getting COVID-19 Vaccine
"All Americans sixteen and older are now eligible for coronavirus vaccines and so too are the prisoners at Guantanamo bay a senior defense official tells the AP all forty man held at the detention center in Cuba can start getting the vaccine as soon as today that comes months after plans to vaccinate them were put aside immediate outrage since many Americans at the time were not eligible for the shots there have not been any known covert nineteen cases among the fifteen hundred people who run the facility nor the prisoners awaiting clued nine eleven attack mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed the pandemic's halted work crime trials for him and for others for more than a year Sager mag ani Washington
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"The Guantanamo Bay detention facility in Cuba. White House press secretary Jen Psaki told reporters. They intend to have the prison shut down by the time President Biden leaves office. She explained. The National Security Council is reviewing the facility to assess the state of play. The current administration inherited a new round of stimulus checks
How To Steal Back Your Identity
"The greatest betrayal of abbey. Ellen's life began with a newspaper assignment. I was reading a story about detox diets. And i need to quote an expert and someone suggested this guy. Abby is a journalist and the author of duped a book about this fateful interview and the bizarre life altering aftermath and so i quoted him Actually it was in the new york times called a fact check. I said are you still in florida and he said no. I'm in the navy now i rejoined. I'm opening up a hospital for kids with cancer in iraq and afghanistan. And i said that's awesome. I want to write about that. Keep me posted and so he sort of did so. We'd never met in person until all why a later that when he finally was coming to new york city where i was living because he had to give a big talk at the un clearly and so he came to do is talk of the un and we went to dinner six months later abbey and this man who she calls the commander were engaged. They moved in together in dc. Well he worked at the pentagon. Abby went to grad school for international relations. But the more time she spent with the commander the more abby sense to something just wasn't quite right. What i made you suspicious. Me told me he had met his first. The first ex wife who's really his second ex wife but his first when he rescued her when she was held hostage in iran. And i said the age didn't add up. I said when we in iran he said oh it was a secret mission. You wouldn't have heard about it really well. And then i thought okay the someone has to do these jobs like better better. Decoy this nerdy asthmatic. Doctor you know like like why not and then. He told me that he worked at guantanamo as the medical director which he did that was part of the problem is that he kind of mixed fiction and fact together and one of his patients was a very wanted terrorist named osama bin laden. And i said that is impossible. And he said the president doesn't know and then i got like all you know. Carrie mathison a homeland. Like god. who's the jihadist. And who's not and who knows what it was. I was gasoline making myself crazy. Suddenly abby found herself using her reporting skills to investigate her own fiance she talked to professors about whether the commanders impressive stories could even be possible. Never like yeah. That's the possible. The final straw was when we went out to dinner with my parents. And we had brussel sprouts and he raved about the brussels sprouts and when we got out he said that meal was awful and i said why did you lie. And he said. I wanted to make them feel better. And that's when. I said you know what i'm out. There's no need to lie about something like okay. So so he was treating been logging and the president to know about it but it was. The brussels sprouts praised that gave him away in the end. I knew they weren't good but more than that. He admitted that he had lied. He said i wanted to make them feel good. And i thought you lie so beautifully which has flowed out of him. If you could lie about that you could lie about anything when you finally did confront him. How did he react to that. Well i left him. I said i'm out. So i never talk to him again. And i didn't find out until a year and a half later that he in fact had been stealing identities and when he was a drug addict. And i got a call from ncis and they said you know there's a doctor who's been writing prescriptions for vicodin and he's been using a bunch of people's names and identities and you're one of the people. Do you know this guy. Do you ever prescription. And i said well. No 'cause i prefer valium and so of course but anyway so he went to jail to make a statement against him. I just started researching all this stuff about this guy. Heaven the guy you're about to marry steal your identity is obviously different than casey's going through but it actually has a lot more in common with her situation than you might think abbas wrestled with the kind of psychological trauma that really defines any breach of trust. And she understands the obsession. That's now leading. Casey to work twenty hour weekends on her case. So you're in this kind of like luminol space of you may be probably sort of know them. But you don't know and you're not sure if you're ever gonna find out right. Can you kind of describe where you are with all this well. I kind of actually have this idea that i might want to sort of help other victims by maybe writing a book about the experience. I guess what i'm trying to do. Is you know sort of gather information about how other people handled it and how they move forward with their lives. But i don't necessarily want focus too much on our case. Because i feel like it's not mentally healthy evian. You've seen more people get duped and cope with getting duped than the next by by a long shot. So i'm curious to hear sort of your take on. What's the most interesting thing to me is. When i was reading the book was a how many people i spoke to. Who had been duped and most people didn't wanna talk about it or use their real name because everybody felt completely humiliated. So when you talk about writing a book to help people and what i tried to do anyway is at least make people feel less stupid. And if you're gonna feel stupid that's okay because everybody's stupid then
"guantanamo" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM
"Love the way the light waiting in line to get off the plane. She goes. I got the Pete. You just play the beginning of that real quick again hurt if you get my God, I've been there. Here. You gonna get off the aircraft up there on screen? I'm getting asking me here. I'm not so keen on it was a different woman that let the blood curdling scream. Well, first of all that with a woman that was, you know, screaming hysterically obviously should be banned from flying. She should be on the no fly list. Correct? No question about it. What's what? Anybody that causes a disturbance like that on the plane. Especially 30,000 ft in the air Now that they had landed, and they they were exiting, But you're alone. No fly list. Sorry. Never again. Flying is a privilege. You ruined it. And now say, secondly, I've been there, man. I've been waiting to get off that airplane because I had to pee so bad, haven't you? Oh, especially the You know the serving drinks on the plane, which I don't know what they're doing that did they serve drinks on the plane when you went down to Florida this most recent time. No, sir. I am. Okay. So I'm going a couple weeks and I'm just like Come on, man, but I have got there have been times I've been on an airplane and its landing and I'm thinking because you don't like to get him go to the bathroom when you're when you're descending, right And it still takes a couple of minutes to land and then your taxi to the gate or whatever there were a few times I could specifically remember thinking. I'm not gonna make it you have. You're gonna have to wipe the seat up. Or I thought about grabbing a blanket from the overhead bin and covering myself going into the coppers. Something bedroom for MacGyver? Yes. Something So I've been there. Yes, This is something and the woman that was causing a disturbance should never be able to fly again. The most angry I get it. My fellow humans is when I'm on an airplane and I want to get off because the people that have the million things crammed in the overhead compartment to take 15 damn minutes to get it down and get two big fat rear ends off the plane. I posted this on social media when I went to Florida and came back when I become the president. If it takes you more than two minutes to put it up there and take it down minutes. Guantanamo Bay Guantanamo Bay, at least for the weekend scare you a little bit. Maybe you'll speed that process up a little music share a cell with KSM down in Guantanamo Bay if you take more than two minutes Oh, man. I just get so ticked off waiting for people to get off the plane. Is this anything and employees at the Kroger down in Georgia? Stole $980,000 in the span of two weeks. Oh, wow, processing a bunch of fake returns. Oh, okay. Use this money to buy all kinds of crap like a car, which he ultimately crashed. Um, he was just arrested for felony theft. Here is a police officer explaining the amount of money. And how it drew a lot of attention. So really, he had no chance of getting away with this best cares. But we have rising right now that Mr Brown used the money that he stole to buy cars, clothing, shoes and guns. The amount of money that Mr Brown took was just excessive in this particular case and obviously drew a large amount of attention to himself. Almost immediately, So it wasn't big crime of the century by any means, as far as being able to get away with it. Yeah, because, you know, I mean, you're giving yourself away. Dave's the Night Stock Boy just pulled up in a Ferrari. What's going on? Who's that model that's in this car? Weird? I mean, imagine processing a million dollars worth of fake returns in a week or two. Yeah, there might be some red flags raised. They went out with a bang now, right? Nobody in the Congress store realized. Damn, Here comes Nigel again. How much does he get this time? $5000.10,000 dollars. You kind of gotta think of the crow over bears a little bit of the responsibility here. If you're gonna be that dumb and give away $980,000 for the stuff to the same, dude, Come on, man, If you if you pulled into the parking garage tomorrow, him or driving a Maserati, I think something was fishy. Right. And what if I came back the next week and had something different? There's no winners in this story. It's the Machen Rob Show 93 Wi D. C weekend mash up. You are back with Mark and Rob, and we're going to get right into some audio from yesterday's Fox business Channel, Charles Payne. Um, who was reacting again? In real time to this Reddit Gamestop fiasco. He had just amazing meltdown. You gotta hear it. Take a listen before reporting my head that I sent out to my subscribers. And here is the list. Shorts. First of all, always mount says all this noise, all this warning by Wall Street. It's making me sick. Ah 140% of Gamestop was short. I didn't have one person on TV, complaining about Wall Street trying to crush Gamestop 140% short. Told by subscribers five the stock and then they were fortune. I also told them by birds and space and let its up virgin. We took profits on that. Today. Friends that's a huge dangers is a huge No, You can't love a lot of Wall Street, the short 75% of his back and nobody says anything, crushed these companies into the dirt. And then when the individual investor makes money, everyone's up in arms off to go to lose his shirt. Don't you think people are trading on the.
Defense Department pauses plan to vaccinate Guantanamo detainees
"The pentagon is announcing their pausing their plan to vaccinate the inmates at guantanamo. Apparently somebody in the public affairs shop depending on the new guy. John kirby maybe you remember him. When he was a pentagon spokesman when he was a navy admiral he was third. And then he i forget he resurfaced as state department in civilian sued. Now he's back with a biden administration easy assistant secretary of defense for public affairs and he released a day earlier today after after considerable pushback from family members of nine eleven victims as we come up on the twenty th anniversary of by the way who couldn't believe that the mastermind of nine eleven was going to get a vaccine before americans are any american and he tweeted out. Quote no guantanamo detainees have been vaccinated. Were pausing the plan to move forward. As we review force protection protocols we remain committed to our obligations. Keep our troops safe close going so in other words. He's trying to say oh. No no no. We're going to vaccinate all the troops first and then if there's any left college muhammad will get it still. Pretty pretty galling
Defense Department pauses plan to vaccinate Guantanamo detainees
"The reversal from the Defense Department A B C's Dave Packard less than 24, hours after the Pentagon gave the green light for detainees and prisoners at Guantanamo Bay to be offered covert 19 vaccinations. Defense Department official now saying the plan has been paused. Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs John Kirby tweeting no Guantanamo detainees have been vaccinated were pausing the plan to move forward as we review our force protection protocols. We remain committed to our obligations to keep our troops
"guantanamo" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder
"We've got this guy. We tied him up. He's al Qaeda. Okay here's your three thousand dollars. was there any vetting process. And then what happened to a lot of those people because most of this torture began In Afghanistan. That's correct. Both of the physical torture at Guantanamo detainee. Fini suffered was most severe in Afghanistan and there was not a whole lot of vetting. They pretty much thought that whoever they had could be a potential terrorists that was a terrorist. They didn't really early Betham all that much. Most of them were just put in these big tents and a Helluva tied up and tortured and then ultimately plane center Guantanamo if they actually captured someone who was a thread they sent him to what they call a black side to see a black site round the world about one hundred twenty five never there was no official number but approximately that number of people were sent to places around the world and severely tortured by the CIA or by proxies at the CIA for the rest of the people were either in Afghanistan Afghanistan. And then I'm pretty much sent to Guantanamo. They figured they'd vet them in Guantanamo which was naturally. All that happened happened is like I said a lot of his politics All right and so your book is essentially an oral history. You have been working on. This is for at least a decade at this point. What was what was the impetus for this for this book Doc? That's a great question. What happened was back in two thousand and eight? When President Obama that time candidate Brcko bombers running and John McCain running Republican Republican Party? Both men said that they want to close Guantanamo. And actually president. George Bush also said he thought Guantanamo should be closed so it seemed like in the air. It was going to happen and my concern. I don't ever since nine eleven I had done work on terrorism post nine eleven and it seemed to me that yes they were probably going to. Whoever became president was probably going to close it and I was concerned that these these stories of Guantanamo would fade away into the dustbin of history if you will and there was no narrative Guantanamo very little written tobacco channel by that time and no one had really told full length stories all histories about Guantanamo? And once that close it'd be over. I felt left and so I was excuse me as long as you asked. I was actually inspired by my father. You probably know the Shoah Foundation which Steven in Spielberg started in the nineteen eighties. He wanted to document the Holocaust and there were Holocaust denies that time and my father had not been an But had barely escaped from Austria just in time and he was one of the people interviewed by the Shoah Foundation nations. I happen to be present when they interviewed him on camera film and that inspired me. I thought we should do that too. We should film these all all his people. Both at detainees were there and Americans who were there. As prison guards interrogators interpreters military official sial government officials people who saw it from both sides and so I was very fortunate. There was someone who had a small foundation in San Francisco Cisco who bay area who often me some money to be able to go to five countries in two thousand. Nine interview sixteen detainees. He's got the the project started and eventually we interviewed one hundred fifty. Eight people both detainees and others over that decade telling the stories on film and no one else has done that in the world of course and we have over three hundred hours film that we donated the Duke University Human Rights Archive. They'RE GONNA put most of it up on the Internet. Did you at the time when you started. Did you anticipate that. Ten years later in the that Guantanamo would still be open that there would still be more than two dozen prisoners. Some some of whom will just will die. They're actually you know it's funny you ask that. Even though I thought it I will. Maybe these men will close Guantanamo. I also don't trust what I hear even from people who have good intentions and I felt that I don't know I don't know if that will happen in someone even from the Obama Administration when he won the transition team in call me up and said Look Peter Look We. We're going to close Guantanamo and we're going to hold hearings and you don't have to do this and I said well I I would love to know that's true but I'm going to start this just in case that's match and so I was still doing ten years later and so so it's not that I'm cynical even skeptical but I just just know the way politics works and I it good example. That SAM is a lot of people when we tell people what we're doing. A lot of people said well Guantanamo's closed. I said it's not closed. Why do you think that? And it's because President Obama said four times. He was closing Guantanamo. People leave if he said it he did it but he never did and honestly. I'm not sure we want to go into. But it wasn't just Republicans blocking income that reason why he'd never did but beside that he never did and and so even people with very good intentions. Don't always follow through and and I felt we had to do this for history. I do actually want to get into that. But let's first talk a little bit about talk a little bit about some of the the of these Spoke to yes and and you know the thing that I was struck by was I talked to To advocates of of of abolishing the capital punishment and one of the things that they talk about. Is You know you never hear the stories of and obviously they shouldn't be centered right. I mean the EH. The victims are but you never hear the stories of how the people who actually kill people how how it impacts the executioners and and there's a quality of work here that I think sort of like brings that out as well but let's start I mean I don't know if there's a detainee that that is that that sticks out in your mind that is most relevant. I'm curious about hearing about and I may be pronouncing his name. Murad benching Benchellali. Yes I mean he was French and he's he he was kind of naive. His brother actually had some connections to toews organization and went off gas and he encouraged Murad to a follow him. Murad was a young man and fact Sam there were. There was some number of juveniles in Guantanamo. who were over sixteen? There were few under sixteen but most were between sixteen and eighteen and they were held as adults and Murad was I think eighteen eighteen or nineteen but he was naive and he kind of followed his but the to Afghanistan and then was caught up like so many other strange's in Afghanistan and purchased list and brought to Guantanamo and he was miserable one of the reasons why he caught my eyes because he was in very depressing. We interviewed him the first time we interviewed him the second time as well and it was because he felt that what he saw in Guantanamo was much worse for him than fiscal prisoner was a psychological the logical prison and I don't think people realize that a lot of the torch. The physical beatings were done Afghanistan. But when the men came to Guantanamo they were more psychologically tortured and to Murad into most of the people. We interviewed detainees. That was worse as one other fringe. Detainee said to us once you pull out the knife start to heal but with psychological torture. You've never heal and the rapid the UN repertory special repertoire offer. Torture told us that after fifteen days in isolation people usually never come back fully and so these men were held in isolation sometimes for for more than a year and they also there were also other ways that they messed with these men in in ways that Murad Express. You just couldn't come back from it. There was something called frequent flyer where they took these men and move them to a cell at let them stay there for two to three thousand house and came to him and said time to move and move them to enter another sell for two or three hours and then came back time to move again. They did that for two or three weeks of the men never got got any sleep and they just removed from cell to cell and that was called frequent phineas done as well. I can go into other ways psychological culture please do. They were told that they were GonNa go home and they were dressed in street clothes they were going to put on a plane and go home and then they would kept in another camp where they were told to getting going home and then they never were going go home and then some days later weeks later they were they were taking them back to their cells and said I guess you're not going home and then another man was told once that his mother was on his way to Guantanamo and she was going to be raped gang-raped if he didn't start talking and so it was so it was in terms of how they mistreated these people they did. They took away what they called comfort items. Where if you didn't behave you didn't tell them what they want to hear? You even denied toothbrushes toilet paper if you will whatever it took to get them to be just more miserable and took defeat into feel like there was no way out in fact some people said there was no way out they were. They thought they were the rules. The the rules in the prison also changed day to day. That people who in charge just made up rules as the day went on and so the men never knew what to expect from moment to the moment and they also played with another way. When we detainee a week is the week is now? They're the Muslims in China when we get told us that they came to pick up his meal and ask for a spoon. He said You'd never gave me a spoon today. And they said yes we did and he said No. You didn't so they brought in what they call the Earth Force which is a force of sixer Gods that come in and Mace Ace the detainee and then beat him up and carry him out and bring them to isolation and and the he said they did that they probably knew he didn't have a spoon they did. Just throw them off. God they kind of want people not to be resisted not to fight back and so you never knew if you're going to be earth did not and this is another even though it might be. Physical and sapphires goal to people is really more psychological. Because you never knew when you be earth it would just happen for leases. That were not rational now. I know that you spoke to a whistle blower and that there is Some military guards you spoke to. was there anybody who you spoke to. Who or have you learned subsequent through other means that how how systemic this was I mean how when they when they start this like frequent flyer program as they called it or when they would put someone in isolation for that had extended period of time or or do any of these things were they were? They were these people where the guards with was the commanders. Whoever authorized this I mean how how high up the chain did it go in terms of authorization A.? M B How how studied was this or was this? Just sort of like Something I learned when I was a working at a jail. You know. uh-huh private prison in Pennsylvania or something like that I mean. Where did these ideas come from?.
"guantanamo" Discussed on WMAL 630AM
"There's a section of the Guantanamo center called camp seven and that is the top secret prison for former CIA captives. There's also top secret prison top secret, really, we know about we're talking about it. But it's top secret. There's also a section called camp Justice where the courtroom is where they have the hearings, and it is policy for them to take a defendant from the from there. Bad from their cell in camp seven and bring them to the camp Justice to where the court isn't in return them back to the complex every night after core to the conveniently located courthouse on the same base. Yes. Okay. Have to travel. Gotcha. Now, there is a fifty seven year old inmate in Cam seven is name is odd al-hadi all Iraqi, although he says his name is Shawn Alta mirror. So whoever you want to believe, but they refer to him as hottie in all of this. So do seven years old listen to this. He was he's accused of commanding and paying insurgents who attacked us and allied forces and civilian aid workers in the post nine eleven invasion of Afghanistan. He was captured in Turkey in two thousand six he got to Guantanamo in April of two thousand seven he wasn't charged until June of twenty fourteen and he still hasn't had his trial yet. Swift jets. I mean, we're spending so much money on this. This is the tip of the iceberg with this guy. All right. So he has degenerative disk disease, according to his lawyers and his condition is only worsened since he's been in us military custody. Yeah, exercise. It was getting out on the field was helping. He has now become incontinent. It happened. I became incontinent in his own September of two thousand seventeen. So because there was a hurricane headed to Guantanamo, right? They had to get it. They had deal with them. So they they scrambled a neuro surgery team to treat him he has since had four other surgical procedures with the latest in may of this year. So now, he can't get to the courtroom. He can't be transferred back and forth from his cell to the courtroom and back again because he's in so much pain, and he's so bad. So his lawyers say it's impossible. So he can't have a trial. Your tax dollars are now paying for the Pentagon to ship a jumbo sell to Guantanamo that he can live in court camp Justice Hama and doesn't have to be taken back to his cell every night a jumbo sell. It will hold a live video feed and a phone line to the court. So he can watch the proceedings from a cell with a hospital bed adjacent to the courtroom. If he doesn't feel well enough to sit in court, and then again telephone is attorneys, if he wants to talk to them is going to have to it's wide the opening it'll be wide enough for him to get his wheelchair in there. And he can maneuver around in his wheelchair chair his hospital bed. We'll be in there. It will have the toilet in there with the sink. If if he if it doesn't have the appropriate handrails or.