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Ep023 Reaching Guadalajara, Part 1

Christian Podcast Community

23:43 min | 1 year ago

Ep023 Reaching Guadalajara, Part 1

"Welton decrease in peace. Thanks for joining us for today's. On your hopes to Anthony. And it's. With that, let's start the show. Today. I have a very special guest. Dear friend of mine. It's been fun to reconnect with him. Omar is a missionary. He's currently serving in Guadalajara Mexico. And just tell you a little bit about Laura as you get to know him in our time together. Omar previously served as a missionary pastor for five years in his native country of Peru as Sunday school teacher at his sending Church in Louisville Kentucky. which is where we met. He got a master's Master of Arts Degree in theological and intercultural studies at the Southern Baptist theological seminary, and his hobbies include autocracy and playing chess is a joy to have you on the show. Welcome, thank you so much for reminding young. Said for me also to be. What I want to know is. First. How is Gone Lara? Mexico? How how are you doing? How long have you been there? We mean we're coming in Mexico for two years. We come in healing, these state state of Casino Hara for. Guy is a he's a big city. The Metropolitan area. What a Honda because he's in school. is around seven. People. Cecilia city life. Well. Is the second biggest city in Mexico. After the Mexico City is a city. The her mother was things, but also they keep stuff. That's medical, but you see more. Off outside the scene. Has that mix. And in which your primary role there as as a missionary, my primary role in church flooding. discipleship. Training! Wolf local farmers local believers as well. Or goal is to plant churches by just. By himself we WANNA engage me local believers pastors. People ice called to plant a church, so we work within blunder church. Do has much help you for five years, and then I moved away so that person look at parliament's stated has a bust. As the idea. So we talked a little bit about you talked a little bit about Guadalajara. Tell me about the people of Guadalajara. They like! The were here. They're very proud. They'll see. Very proud of city on. This is the SIEWERT. The MARIACHI was born. Really. Yeah Woah. Mariachi the. Kayla the famous three. That came from Hannah. Get their player. He was a list when. There's a little art here there is. A. A couple of seen a movie directors that will Oscar Yamamoto I think the last one. Also From the heart is so was very proud of see. Also The. Cal or sent in one. Two, three or sense. Only now said so this area with a billows bigger area will. He'll makes Mexican by Mexican Bahia include different states in the center. Center area Mexico. In the Americas. Diva he'll is the biggest. And the biggest. And darkest area in the America so like you compare who you Brazil when? There's there's be small towns. There was a place in the jungle with various noblesville. All whistle cease as well. Here? This this includes several states, four five snakes on this meals. So. The or Santosh? Says movie like three point five percents while hottest to San. SAN is very low ANJELICA. Before. By and so the other ninety eight percent. Yeah. The listen very very soon. Capitalism on there is a growing number also of. People that. Did kind of tired of the capitalism amazing. They know Constanza, Salou. Christmas Larry Raising. A cultural. Christian contract. So. We're so. We're even seeing a post Christian culture in. Yeah, we're still seeing a Christian culture. Especially youth young people. Because they thing. Fines their heart was leading Nikolas so they they are. So. They're starting bracing things. But most of the people is very very Catholic. And coaches. So, how is that? A barrier to evangelism. How how do you go about sharing the Gospel with such a large Catholic population? Well We're working with a church. Earth's so we wind latest them. Were with me new easily as well. And so Honestly, we try to use. Different techniques different approaches definitive ways to engage people. like right now for instance we are. We are juicy. What's up? Many people in the familiar. What's up, so it okay so? It's an APP that is mostly used in other parts of the world I know I found out about it when I was in Uganda It's not as big here in America A it's everywhere outside of the United States. And we have. England. Own Mark. To what's up. So we by the way the Bible remark with us. We have Sharon. With. Working with trump, two seven, six seven, so we Showing who he says is so many thing about useless here. I would teach her. Yeah the God. They had no idea what is, so. We legal a little real learning things. Are we start shooting the Muslim. Lady that she she? She was extremely cuddling. But now I think she won't. She homered a wall. who was groups, so we excited on that? And I think that doesn't interest you way to work especially in this is what. We need to be aware of the resources available, so we can use it. Were my best friends. With having A talk with you about. Christ shooting within I meet King for instance before come to a Hara and so i. I go to. I knew that was going well. Hannah soy to facebook loop the say Mexican voters once I grew, I started looking for donor for from this city. Sending message. Hey. Hey, you say the movies who? You have any advice on. Time where we can. Wheel really a French. That the line, so it was nice to meet them burst. With France we still France. Have we have a need for conversations. But that's why I almost saying I believe that this is saw. Either by his michels. So, far three for in different parts of mission, some monsieur say that this is the this is the time for the technology time or Michels I. DO believe that. I do believe that. Stuff. The lowliest specially with people leave seats. Of course nothing going to replace the personal relationship? Face to face by. The survey, too so great to I. Agree in fact I. Know Someone. WHO has a weekly Bible study? over the phone. and. It's not even through an APP. It's just a phone line a conference call and has somewhere around fifty or seventy five people joining his weekly Bible study. Hear Stories of people getting save somebody who I think hadn't been. To Church in something like seventy years attended his Bible study and the Lord Save that person. By the foreign you say yeah. He just teaches a Bible study through through the phone. He he, he's actually terrible with technology. Believe it or not. God is using him in technology so Yeah, so Joe. If you're listening to this. Yeah, Buddy, I'm talking about you. That's awesome. So now, let me ask you this. Why Guadalajara I? Is that something that you chose or the missions board? Say there was a need there. How did you end up there? Will. Be My was I. I come from Peru to the US. Blow Western Wall to. In forty window. And so another time, but then when we went to the process, we find out that it was open. Service positions the Americas before that. We thought it was just. In the Amazon, basin. Several open positions in different countries. So, little. On Me To start praying about the Americas I, really did no one to kick back one. Stunt speaking country. But yeah, the lowest win the things for. Different there was. Denied own your Mexico. I already Mason France in making when Laois in the US and missile conference. So I was. Familiar with the Mexican culture. And Yeah so we so Mexico. Recently for in different areas of fortified places we meet up people that wasn't charts uniqueness a family hobby in years, and we're not talking and talking. On. I fawn. We. We found out that grainy was in area. That is not very well. No I mean I. Wonder Why is no very well known that such a huge area such a low percentage of Jellicoe. Why wasn't? A So yeah, we, we pray here in the Laurel. Got Up artist. And he's a very strategic place by the way is. Whatever happens here. is going to fake. Later on the on the other states are. So, so there's a lot of influence there. Yet. This is the main. This is the main city all about here area. We different states. This is the. One of the things we talked about before we actually started recording. The interview was the topic of spiritual warfare. And that's something I here in in America. We often don't talk about that. We don't think in terms of spiritual warfare. Tell me a little bit about what what is it like as a as a missionary? What is spiritual warfare? How do you recognize it and? How can we learn to fight against it in in the Lord's power? Well know years I will. Story story the. Communist thinking my mind for all these years. There was the man that was He was a new house, and so his star. He was a star cleaning his garden. You have a big yard associates that cleaning so. Hey because. I this. This area. In new. York. Don't seem so so he's cleaning clinically. -Unding one day, he's cleaning sunrise. Are He feels some starts? His leg. He saw it was his name. He read this late. But sees looming. Though seeing snakes everywhere everywhere inside the skyline. LEAP HE WANNA. Leave. Snakes! And so. He went from one extreme to the. Unless something We need to be ocean of we. We Talk We. All Were or for. The ignore it all. Sea Snakes everywhere. But you these reality. This is in the scripture. This entry than the name spiritual worker. Seeing the name actually is in this kid by that the teaching is. So that pitching. You were sculpture by the teaching. Is Very of us that that is our spirit Warford here. When I was serving Peru. was of views to me while I was use, they're just one year healing hundred, but he was much more obvious me. A I was a single. This as a missionary. Town small town or there was no church. There was a little witchcraft. That's how. It was doing things that. Would make sense. When I went into was small town. A new was for his star like I. I sometimes I was looking for that, but I would mean like. Do something like a a Wu. will be standing in from the tau. Letting me go in and the Blue Sky me and. Dealing me, there was nothing I was. On the ground level was. Little saw them alive with them, and the will will disappear. There was like a don't know something like angel or something out. or Jesus something by the will will disappear. Who for! Town I never look for those things, but those things more copying. Unique made me think. Wow, there's no way that I mentioned it was in. Place East Not for God's division in this. So hidden. Mexico Komo expedients things like that, but you know the? Same. You notice. You it. To people morning, good morning both in Mitchell's ensuring that most people many things are you have kiss sake, so they wait you up with retirees. Ny before when you are going to preach hours ninety four British. Do Looking Asleep. Things happen. Not! Kicking prayed, who could be prey on the? We have people explain for us as well? We're really simple for that. We. Just waiting what we've seen the one we start to see so for. The seat so. It's just like what we battle. Our own flesh are sinful. Nature is is rearing its ugly head in some issue or how we snapped somebody, or whatever the case is, and it just a matter of praying, and and giving it to the Lord and moving on it makes sense you fight it the same way you do fighting other things you fight it with prayer and with fellowship and. Word. We will. Them. Let's say the enemies while he's flash than is the world. Creation system abilities against. The owners. Speed Warford allowed in the US. But it money facing the way is more intellectual is more like A. Witness! The sex came from came from the US and. More. Weight one of the other things that you talk about was being refined God refining. What are some ways that you feel gone been refining you or your husband missionary? I think family has being. One of the tools are also hughes to refine mature. When I was single, I will be. DOING MICHELS ABRASION SOLD A. Have available time all the Times. Who I went all the countries threes I was like fooled for things. And they will marry things change. So. So more pressure, but also more fun. They. Have a law. Agents with myself. Really. I look. How much time? For Teaching the Scriptures? Engaging people as it used to have. But I know is that I learned that serving God's militia cy you who also? You know so. And, so he made me under sour because when I was A. And I was single. I will you always pushing to serve outside your home? Now Mary with Yes, I understand that you concern us. I HOPE! So, so yeah, so. I mean. Family the more. Refining Pool I think. In my life so this. Boy. That is so true you know it so often we can. We can lose sight of the fact that you know all. We're so focused on ministry out there. And we run the risk of ship wrecking and destroying the ministry within our very home. Yes, yes. So so that? You're finding the other thing that I want to mention also working with. Cutting, frames are different culture. So funny, but I have many American my some of my bosses Americans so there's. Differences with that. And so. Finding. For me as well one of the things that many countries very or and I have not oriented more relationship. So alertly were timely was. Me More shocked tying literally the stop, so that's something. How can we be praying for you and for the people of Guadalajara? Okay a misprint the for these. Vital situation we having a kind of limbo right now. Weeks behind the US with this situation. So I'll saying that saying that you know. When the the US gave like a coal Mexican like a new money also. A saw. This. Thing that is more poverty right now, and this is going to ensure. There's going to be more over in Mexico after all this for integration bus so. Does, sure fortunately. by Dow. The Mexican. Culture is Benny. Savvy. But he's elated. The high McKee's g be finally, said all together. So Russ! That's a very hard thing. Keep their distance. I? Hope that the virus dust he. Mexico. Nevada very way. Eka Hop. We don't know we have. Three but I'm praying that nothing really by. People. They. They just roker. There's people that are so missions by. By the Economy Husky will really affect. So, the first would be to for these situation Mexico. also praised for us as missionaries. We've got approved sober. Nation, we we. Would make. Food Care Peckish puckish the. This! Zone so, we Brave for safety brain four. Gets seek. On where we're GONNA be doing this on when the district with this food and was tracks as will. Be Asian to join sold those. Lines where we are in the scriptures, so please pray for that. And will the a brother? It was a joy once again to to talk with you and thank you so much for sharing your time with us, but most of all. Thank you for sharing your life with the people of Mexico. For Christ, thank you so much. You Guys Inc you. Anthony PYRO. breer glue protein. Warriors as well. Yeah I. Hope You hope, does your. Brother Love. Love you. Get. Well, that's our show for did I hope you'll join US next time? We spent time in God's word looking at how we can grow our knowledge of. Love for him and our service to. If you've enjoyed we per visit us a grace and peace radio DOT com. On facebook at facebook dot com forward slash recent peace radio until next time I'm your host Anthony Russo and Jesus changed my life.

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AT#747 - Travel to Guadalajara, Mexico

The Amateur Traveler Podcast

53:15 min | 4 months ago

AT#747 - Travel to Guadalajara, Mexico

"Bags bags and read. It's real good pass board. Our temperature traveler episode seven hundred and forty seven today. The amateur traveler talks about markets and neurologists tortoise and tequila plazas and playas as we go to the mexican city of guadalajara. Welcome to the amateur traveler. I'm your host chris christopherson let's talk about guadalajara. I'd like to welcome to the show. Paul hudson from playas applauses dot com. Who's come to talk to us about. Guadalajara mexico paul. Welcome to the show. Hi chris it's a pleasure to be here. Thank you for having me. I am very excited to spend a little bit of time talking about a place that i absolutely love and you say you love it. You have a deeper relationship with then. You were just there for weekend. I've been guadalajara. For about ten years. I originally came to study and i met a girl and it kind of changed my plans and i've been here ever since the way. The story always goes excellent. And why should someone come actually before we do that. What's put it on a map. where are we wearing. Guadalajara so guadalajara is in the highlands of the state of coleco and police go is in western mexico. If you're familiar with po- vallarta were probably about a hundred. Maybe fifty miles directly east of puerto vallarta. And then we're also probably how. I'd say three hundred miles west of mexico city. There's a lot of connections between this part of mexico and southern california. So i got my first introduction to guadalajara by the number of people. The people from this region are called tau patios from the is that live in southern california so los angeles and diego t qana and so. That's where i started learning about this part of mexico now top. You happens to be my favorite mexican hot sauce. Is that from that region or something. So i believe that. The children of the immigrants day started hot sauce. And then if you look at the person that's on the bottle he looks like he's and that's a super typical hat. Danson at style of hat. They call a charter. Which is a cowboy. So it's like a typical hat. I am not sure if you're familiar with pedro and find day or haynick. Great the these actors from the golden era of cinema. That was their most popular character that they played interesting. And why should someone go to guadalajara well. Guadalajara is a cosmopolitan city. It's the second largest city in mexico and there's a great relationship between modern and traditional culture and modern. I say because there's great universities there is a burgeoning tech scene. There's lots of multinational tech companies. That have big offices here but then there's also this relationship with the countryside where a couple times a year you'll see two million pilgrims through the city. Some of them on horseback some of them walking on their knees to follow the virgin of supple bonn as she goes from guadalajara cathedral. All the way over to supple. So there's this really beautiful balance of modern and traditional cultures and that's not to mention the food the night life. There's a lot to do. And what kind of i ten are you gonna recommend for us. I'm going to recommend when. I have friends and family that come to town. We typically break up the trip about half of the time we're going to spend waddell hara and about half of the time we're gonna spend somewhere else and i have surfer friends who come down. And we'll spend the first four days in guadalajara and then we're gonna head to the beach. We've got a great access to spectacular beaches and world class waves so naive eat. Police go colima michoacan. Those are the four closest states. Have world class surf which i absolutely love but we want to stay a little bit closer to guadalajara before we leave. I want people to see what it's like to live here. The food scene is phenomenal. The historic downtown is wonderful is one of my absolute favorite things to do. Have been here for ten years. I never get tired of going downtown. The nightlife is a lot of fun whether it comes to a gavi spirits. Beer wine happening nightclubs. There's something for everybody. We're going gonna start. So i think the natural place to start is going to be in the historic downtown. We refer to this as the three-storey goal and i love walking. I love going down here on sunday with my family and when my mom or win i have family that comes to visit. I wanted to take from the tour. I want them to see as much as they can as quickly as possible. So we typically start in a little plaza. That's called the plaza de las asking us. So it's a plaza of the nine corners and it dates back to the earliest times of guadalajara. Originally it was a native american site of talent. There was a little bridge called mickey and then in the early nineteen hundreds late eighteen hundreds there were some really beautiful buildings that were put up and today there's a bunch of restaurants and they sell a traditional dish that's called berea and it's my favorite place. It will start for breakfast and then wittiest kina to get breakfast. And then we'll continue walking up to the main cathedral. Hang on a second you. You gave us a traditional dish. But i don't know what the dishes. I don't know billionaire. Oh there's a couple different styles of berea right now. Everybody is talking about case. Oh berea caissoti as and that's kind of like an la style. Tijuana style the original one. That comes from this part of mexico from go. I was kellyanne days. One hot though is typically made with a goat meat and go needs difficult neat to cook. You have to cook the meat at a longtime at a low temperature to make it a little bit softer because it can be tough any kind of fibrous and it can be a little smelly if they're wild goats and so the way. The traditional cooks got around. This was by cooking it. For a long period of time at a low temperature and then a heavily spiced adobo so the us some chilies and some tomatoes and then all the roasting juices are saved to make the sauce and it served in a soup. So you'll typically talk with the guy who is working the oven and tell him which cuts you want. Do you want ribs. do you want loin. do you want a shank type of hot. And then they serve it in a bowl with tomato broth and big pilot. Or tia's some beans and too heavy breakfast. You might need a little nap after that. Yeah so historically. Interestingly goats were introduced by the spanish the early fifteen hundreds and they're an invasive species and goats eat everything and so they were trying to come up with a recipe so that people want to actually go out and hunt these things because they were eating everything they're eating all the crops and it'd be. They became a huge nuisance and beer area. The typical plate was the result of this invasive. Species okay enter from the plaza new. Nece we're going to walk north and we're gonna see some historic architecture. There are some seventeenth century churches. And one of the nicest things this area is that they just finished remodeling at that. We have a new line of the metro and when they built this new line of the metro they completely redeveloped the downtown area more pedestrian st louis cars. It's very enjoyable place to walk around because there's less cars and it's just a really pretty area and were walking around and we're seeing what so leaving the skin as we're gonna see there's two temples they originally were part of the same complex. There is the chapel of aranzazu. And then the son francisco. Ds's are too old franciscan. Churches absolutely beautiful very broke style of architecture and as we keep walking further north we're gonna get to refer to as the plaza which is in the shape of a cross and so there's the main guadalajara cathedral in the center and then there's like a series of plazas around that kind of make the form of a cross and it's just full of monuments so there is today. It's called the octo pause library. It's part of the university of guadalajara which houses some divide on photo. Seek garros murals his best work. But it's still nice to see some of these really famous. Some of their early works and then we can go into the placebo gobierno. So this is the state level government palace ton of history in here from benito juarez to father miguel santiago both of whom were revolutionaries in mexico. Cate so miguel. Dollar was the one who cried for independence and he helps at the independence movement. Now benito juarez was probably fifty years later like eighteen sixty s more best on presidents. The president benito juarez and he was fighting civil war right at the same time. Abraham lincoln was fighting a civil war and so while they never met in person. They kinda were going through the same things. It was a very like a liberal versus conservative movements and he was actually exiled from mexico city for a period of time and used this building as his headquarters for several months he actually had to go around the country and kind of build up the forces get people to stay on his side as opposed to the conservative side. And all of this is commemorated with a mural by jose clemente o'driscoll who is one of mexico's three great year lists and it's a very dark in fiery mural painting the history of guadalajara in this time. So father miguel go. There's a mythology of the sky. Is the one who called for independence up in guanajuato. But he's also. There was kind of a dark side to him where his army was a peasant army. They were not trained and there was people who had really been done wrong by the ruling class and he just sent them out and they murdered and killed and that was one of the things that they did when they got the guadalajara who is of spanish descent. They took him out to the barranca and just threw them in the barranca. He was kind of a dark era of his legacy. And that was one of the things that jose clemente roscoe painted and so he painted this the early nineteen thirties. And there's allusions to nazis and there's allusions to like this dark time in europe it's a very controversial Specifically in the nineteen thirties it was an incredibly controversial mural in government palace. If you look like diego rivera i- see or rose go. All of them were very famous for very controversial statements and murals and to get people talking about the history and there's so much history in this area it gets people interested in learning more about the figures that we see on the names of all of the hotels and the airports and that the streets right. Well i'm going to recommend for our listeners. To if you're interested in that period of mexican the revolutions podcast that i think i've referenced a couple times on this show had a great series of episodes on the very complicated and somewhat discouraging history of the mexican revolution because it took a long time. Yes she takes up through the civil war. when do you call it. When his revolution done Was much more complicated question with the case of mexico. Yeah absolutely absolutely a huge fan of mexican history starting with diego rivera because you go and look at these murals interesting. We were talking about the bay area. And i got interested in rivera murals in san francisco and that kind of sent me on my hunt to learn more about the big three mirrorless mexican history. And i love this relationship. This bi-national relationship between the united states and mexico. Excellent leaving plus you'll gobierno. Were probably going to have a look at the main guadalajara cathedral okay. This is absolutely iconic. There is gothic style bell towers. They're used everywhere so taxi cabs have like an emblem like a little logo uses the bell towers. You'll see this all over the place and they're conic the really easy to identify. Interestingly they're not original in the early eighteen hundreds there was a pretty bad earthquake and it destroyed the original bell towers and they rebuilt them so. This is probably two hundred years after the cathedral was originally built so architectural styles. Come and go you good good guests. Four hundred years allow okay. At least the first cathedral on the site was built in in fifteen hundred. Yeah fifteen hundred and then i think there was originally was like adobe and straw and then they started a more permanent one in the late. Fifteen hundred zero finish in the early sixteen hundreds so at two hundred years later they fell down. They were rebuild. Another earthquake comes to rebuild them again but they are contrasting architectural styles so the original cathedral is more a renaissance style and then two hundred years later. This style of the era is gothic and they just loved these gothic towers. and that. If you like that sums up the harz architectural heritage where there's this architectural style this called regionalism and pick and choose. Gosh i really liked that more style over there and really like some of this over here. This art noveau is kind of mixed together and there's another neighborhood. We're gonna talk about a little bit later. that is just. It's an architectural laboratory twentieth century. They just pick and choose all these really cool styles and put them together in a couple of similar buildings. And it's just really fun to learn about architecture i mean art deco and modernism and i'm gonna guess you met art nouveau rather than art noveau unless there's something different down there are no no no. You're right you're right i actually. It's interesting when you've never actually heard something spoken. You've only read about it in want pronounce it correctly another spanish word so you don't have been doing great with the spanish though so that's okay anything that comes from french like ooh. I'm not sure how to pronounce that. There's a lot of vowels. Yes there the cathedral's really beautiful you. Have you have to get the picture in front of the cathedral going inside. Yes absolutely beautiful. There's more churches than you're going to be able to visit a lot of just the really nice because they're so historic and they're sold and you can see these different architectural styles. Baroque super-popular the renaissance. The classical you're gonna see a lot of these different styles and after that you like how. Now i can see the difference between those columns right there. Okay that's not common in baroque roques. Much more ornate. It's a really great place to study architecture. Because there's so many different styles and indifferent centuries. This style was popular one century and then another style was popular in another century. It's really cool to see how they've evolved over the centuries we're sitting at the cathedral and this might be a good time to get something to refresh right behind. The cathedral is a big plaza. It's called plaza de la libra. So they say that. Miguel donald though he abolished slavery from guadalajara and so there's applause behind the cathedral is called the plaza. The lead us yonne in its miguel. Hidalgo breaking the chains of servitude. And then right behind. That statue is a one hundred year old cantina. That's called left wednesday and so it's a great place to stop on your tour. Get beer and just enjoy these historic cantinas. That mexico is famous for excellent. Lafuente of fire the fountain the fountain. Okay i was. If i'm not quite right there got it and is famous. There's a bicycle this story. Goes that a patron at some time. Couldn't pay his bill and so he left his bicycle saying. Hey we'll be back tomorrow to pay my bill. And he never came back and so the bicycles hung up on the wall and not a whole lot has changed where they still use huge blocks of ice to cool the beers they've got coolers over in kona corner and then these huge blocks of ice and there's like an ice pick where they're breaking it down at school. It's like a time capsule you really stepping back in time to go into these old buildings from the plaza de la libra shown. We're gonna continue east for a little bit and we're going to look at the diggle yadel theater and this is a theater that was built in the nineteenth century. These big columns. I think it is a classical style of architecture absolutely spectacular place to catch a show. So they do. There's ballet there's folkloric dance there's mariachi there's a beautiful season the murals on the roof. I grew up in san diego. And there's nothing does no theater like this. I've seen don quixote a couple of times and you see it in the civic center in the speckles theater. Yeah it's enjoyable but when you walk into a theater that was built in the nineteenth century. I it's just another experience aid really feels like you're stepping into a time capsule or a time machine and i thoroughly enjoyed getting a chance if you come to guadalajara. I highly recommend checking out to see what's playing. What kind of show is. They're going to have in the theater. Whether it's the ballet or a play or folkloric dance. Anything that they're going to perform is going to be worth. Seeing is just such an amazing place to take show and to me. It looks like something that could have been in. Vienna looks very european inside the interior and that was the style of the year. It's interesting because we're talking about. Benito juarez a little while ago and benito juarez and puerto phidias against the french intervention but they were huge francophiles. They loved everything to do with europe and poor few to the is when he was exiled he actually moved to france. And it's interesting that you would fight a war against these people but absolutely just love the culture and the art and everything and so there is a whole period period where they built buildings that they would take like a little bit from different parts of europe and build these types of churches with these houses in mexico so yeah there is a lot of that style of architecture. I could see them moving east from the diggle ya though we're going to pass through the plaza of the founders so the original settlers so interestingly this was the i think it was the fourth location were guadalajara was settled. There is three other locations but one didn't have good water and then another one was too close to a hostile indian settlement and then they finally settled at this location at fifteen forty one and there were about ready to move to another one but there was a woman who decided no. We've been through so much. Stay at this location. Were not going anywhere. And so the plaza de la spoon of the founders is kinda remembering her contributions to saying. No we're going to stay right here. We're coming up on the five hundred anniversary of the city of hara so growing up in california. There's not a lot of history that runs back this far. No two hundred years is is so cruising through this part of the plazas were crossing what is known as elsa de la independencia and there's more plazas there's the plaza tap tia and there's huge sculptures and then we're gonna pass one of latin america's largest indoor malls or enor- markets is called metadata libertad. It's more affectionately. Known as san juan de dios the locals will call it seeing johnny. It's a huge indoor mall. It's my favourite. I'm partial. I have my favorite market. That i go to. I love medical bottles medical This is a little bit more focused on food and medical sunday. Deal is a little bit more about like clothing. Anything everything you can find anything anything in there. But there's an amazing collection of pirated movies. So if you like old. When i was talking about paid their and fun day or haney. Great day these oil. A lot of these movies are really hard to find like. You can't get them in your traditional outlets. And so how do you have to get to get the pirated version the marquette and if you want like old sitcoms when i was working on my spanish go get like old television shows and soap operas from the eighties and nineties. And they're hilarious. But you can't find them in a lot of places and so i would go to. Sunday dios the other thing that the real famous for his salary. There's a big horse writing tradition like equestrian culture and and as part of mexico. And so you can get these amazing. These embroidered belts will cost like to dive and trying to save up. Because i want to get one but they called a sink thrown pt idle and so. It's a belt that has been embroidered and there's just really cool designs and the really expensive ones have been embroidered with a silver wire. I mean it's over the top ornate. It is really cool agree. It's been san diego. We don't have a lot of horseback riding. Then there's some that nothing like here in at least go and then we keep going east from there and we're gonna make it to the whole species alana's and today this is referred to as the cabanas cultural center. Originally this was kind of like an orphanage. it was much more than just an orphanage. It was it was the poor house. It was not even retirement if you were old and had no family no money. This is a plan like a christian charity. They would help people learn skills. They would help orphans. They would help. People with different types of learning disabilities was really a catholic charity. I mean the building is spectacular. But what really makes it. A unesco world heritage site are the murals by jose clinto skull and orosco skull. These are considered as masterpieces. He's got. I think is like fifty four murals within the building and the most famous is man on fire or brian. Yama which is on the main Dome dome coppola. I couldn't remember what cucolo and there's a couple of different interpretations of this. The one that. I liked the most. Because i just i love talking about the big. Three bureau list is that it is a representation of the man walking and fire and as you turn a little bit you turn your head. It looks like the man is walking in the flames are kind of moving. And the big. Three are jose clemente skull davos garrels deeg rivera and their teacher was dr atoll. Who is more real. Who was a little bit. He's a generation older than them. He was a teacher. At the san carlos institute in mexico city. He was also from the state of coleco. He was really into volcanoes and water. Dr otto means dr water. And now it'll and it i just. I love researching these people. They've almost been forgotten into interesting. To think about how deeg rivera has been eclipsed by his wife frida kahlo. She always painted herself. Really small because at that era rivera was one of the most famous artists in the world but he painted history and frieda painted emotions and there were two completely different styles and she's grown up to be the more famous artist. It's pretty cool at see these artists and the stories that they were telling looking at the people and diego. Rivera was a perpetual storyteller. You didn't know what was true. And what was not and it was like painting. Somebody's legacy. And i like thinking about these people much more than their artwork artwork spectacular but thinking about the people and what they did and who they were and what they were fighting for these eras. It's really interesting. There's a lot to think about excellent. so you'll be on. Yes the central cabanas. It's a great museum. It is a world heritage site. There is the Total movie theater. So they have. There's an area for kids. there's all sorts of revolving exhibitions. If you get a chance to see one museum in guadalajara. It has to be the cabanas cultural center. It's the most important is the largest. It's the best example of the orosco murals. Guadalajara has three locations. That have o'driscoll murals. And they get better like his first one was okay is second one was really good and then his third one is just like whoa. This is incredible kind of the opposite of going to the picasso museum. You're saying no. I haven't been there. I would love to go to europe now. Where is that is that in spain. That alone i believe. Okay yeah mirrorless. It's really contributed to modern our work. These murals that are inside the museums. But you're gonna find really really spectacular murals at something that the community treasures from time to time. They might spray painted over but a lot of times they're preserved. Mexico city obviously has the best selection of murals. But what'll hara has a pretty good mural cultural as well so if you're interested in learning about one of the big three jose clementino roscoe guadalajara is the place to do it. Because you can see a number of his murals and see. His style differentiate his style from seek arrows and his style from riveta. Very different outlooks on life. They've got very different experiences. Rivera did not live in mexico for the revolution while oro skull did. He was in mexico and so they had very different views on the effects of the revolution on different parts of society to finish off. You gotta get dinner. And i was like this contrast of modern versus traditional. So we're going to leave downtown an historic core. And then we're gonna go over to the other side of town to the newer part of town where all the skyscrapers were the tech industry. Is and i just. I wanna show this contrast and so we're gonna go to a nice dinner. There's a big fancy mall. Called plus dot s and there is just this row of amazing restaurants. I absolutely love low. low low. Low has a location san francisco. They've got three different concepts in guadalajara. It's kind of a fusion of mexican with a little bit of southeast asian. It is a super fun place to have dinner but more than anything. I want you to experience the difference between modern and traditional aspects to society. And you're gonna see this all over the place and okay. That's the end of day. One day two. I think we gotta go out to block it. Have you ever heard of buckeye. Sounds vaguely familiar. But i am not placing so lucky parque. Its own municipality. it's a different city. However it's part of the metropolitan regions so there's no break in the urban ization from downtown guadalajara. It's only like seven miles from guadalajara. It's like there's a lot of like folkloric art. The name like a pocket comes from people who would work with clay and area going back for two centuries and centuries probably closed without years. They've been famous for pottery today. They're famous for carpentry. Pottery glassblowing there are just so many artists and galleries. The downtown area is beautiful. Big restaurants with like mariachis playing there is an old nineteenth century building. This called the potty on and is a collection of like seventeen different bars or cantinas. And there's money achi going twenty four hours a day in this kiosk in the center. It's a really fun place to spend a day. The galleries are amazing. The two in particular. You have to check out rope idea. And his house of the bicycle and he's got this really distinctive style getting a picture with his call them. The gordon does since so it's chubby. People gotta get a picture in front of his workshop and then set of he'll bustamante is also a very unique style. Those are two of the most famous but there are tons and you can see a good collection of ceramics and pottery from all over the country. Not just when the state of police gobi you can see the black clay from oaxaca. You can see talavera from club la anything related to folkloric art and folkloric. Dance pocket. pocket is a wonderful place to experience it. And that's gonna spend most of the day and you mentioned mariachi. We've refugee times but we haven't really tied in what people may not know is that that comes from here. They say that mariachi is originally from a little town called kula just south of model hara. This is where you'll find. The international mariachi festival is in guadalajara. And the charl cowboy festival. It's very popular my favorite time. Listening to muddy achi my neighbors she just graduated from high school and before she graduated somebody who wanted to date her brought a mariachi to her house and at around. Eleven o'clock at night brought a and i thought that was like the classiest end is kind of common. There's implausible right. Nexus on one day deals were you can go higher mariachi group and bring them to a serenade and all the neighbors will be like lifting up curtains looking out the window to listen to the mariachi music. It's it's very traditionalist very. There's a lot of times with equestrian culture and horseback riding and they'll actually do mariachi wild. They're horseback riding lou performance. And there's a guy who's famous for like the dancing horses. It's a very cool custom. I like it quite a bit. If you go. I would recommend leaning one song. Drink a couple of tequila 's and it's amazing. Tequila can make people into really good singers option. That's i'm sure that's exactly what happens. There's an old movie with marta. it's called mariachi gringo. And it's about a gringo who just loves the music and he kind of moved down to this area because he wants to get involved with the music. Scene is pretty cool. Excellent the other neighborhood. That i just absolutely love is going to be the colonia americana and so this is kind of like an aggregate the referred to the western part of downtown it was founded in the portfolio. Which is the era of portfolio. The as it is a completely different style from downtown. So this is a post independence so this is late. Eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds puerto vallarta. The as was the president pre-civil war post independence yet. No no this was pre revolution. He was the one that they revolted against the revolution. That's what i'm saying forty years. He was loved everything french. There's all these really crazy mansions with french. Style influences some of these mansions look like they could be a baroque style church. They call him a new baroque style. Architecture the mantras are incredible and the best way to view. This is on sundays. We have car free sundays. So they call it the via recreate diva and they shut down the main avenues of the city for pedestrians and skateboarders and bicyclists. You can rent a bike if you stayed nice hotel. The help bikes peter borrow. And you just cruise down the main street. It's called avenida vallarta. Maybe get lunch in one of these mansions. They're really really beautiful. And it's a completely different style because it's not spanish. The influence is there's like a little bit more ash. There's a little bit of. There's a little bit of french influence and you can see that. Historically there was always a lot of money in this area. That's where my favorite restaurants are as well too. It's very close to downtown to the rents are a little bit cheaper and restaurants test out their concepts and there's some really cool options for places to eat. I want hold off and talking about food. I wanna talk about two more things. Real quick quick side trips from guadalajara number. One is going to be. The tequila. volcano sewed tequila quila is a little pueblo. And it gets all the attention. But there's twelve different pueblos around the tequila volcano that are all worth visiting and we should be clear. That this is not a volcano. That spews tequila does not in. It's actually an. I don't know with the correct word if it's dormant or if it's extinct but there's no fire coming out of it anymore. That volcano is like one hundred miles in the other direction on the border with kalima and people of mountain biking befriend that goes mountain. Biking there all the time. There's a huge obsidian mine and so you're original people of the archaeological site guatemalan donors. They were famous for arrowheads and knives and they would trade with all the different republics of the machinery of the native people of mexico. They had their own style of the genome by agricultural practices. So were there with dredge and create these floating gardens. Yeah okay and the importance of the gaba. They've been growing guy in this area for a long time. They called the ave the marvelous plant because there are so many uses that they had for it before they started. Fermenting at to make an intoxicating beverage and then of course visiting the distillery is the distilleries are amazing and again i recommend visiting one big one and one little one so there's a cult favorite. That's called cosco wean. It's in the town of odenal. Is the way to just about every bartender. In guadalajara is going to recommend cusco wean. It is an absolute favorite. they're using old school techniques. They're using old recipes and people just absolutely love. There's no marketing department. It's all making tequila for their neighbors and making it through their friends super cool distillery but then you also want to go see one of the big ones one of the jose. Cuervo one of the cost of editor. Because they've got an amazing tour taking the tequila train out but the thing is a lot of those brands. You can get them anywhere. Don't come to release go and drink the same kilo that you drink while you're in the united states come to hales's go and drink tequila. You can't get in the united states. So that's cusco wean or a ca's there's a bunch of great ones that they might not be exported to the united states or they may be kind of hard to get if they are exported. Okay and you just jumped over something that i don't know about. And that's the tequila train. Is that a train that runs from out to this region. Chris i assume exactly. If you drive out tequila you can make their and forty five minutes. I think tequila train leaves from guadalajara and takes there's two of 'em there's one that goes to kossi herod dura. There's another one. That goes to jose cuervo and it's a vip like a really really plush experience to ride the train out there. Jose cuervo will take you out to their distillery on the train and then on the way back. We'll take you on a bus so they can take you into the fields again. These are unesco world heritage sites. They are so beautiful. Trion arrange it so you can get a sunset. It's just spectacular. Just a guy feels as far as the eye can see. It's a pretty cool experience. I thoroughly enjoy going out there. You'll see rodeos you can see bullfights there's just there's a lot of countryside rural culture excellent and then you had another side trip for us. The other side trip is going to be to do a little bit of surfing when my friends come to town. You always wanna go surfing. And we've got four states with great waves nearby and depending on what type of waves were looking for my buddy. Nick is a very very good surfer so he always wants to go surfing big waves in pasqua's and then my other friends maybe not served as well. We'll go surf the longboard spots in ninety two. So by sandblast interest beautiful jungle have a four wheel drive truck and we'd like to going out into the jungle and looking for serve. That's probably the most enjoyable part of hitting the beaches. So we're heading south and west from guadalajara. Exactly okay over the mountains to the coast. We are two hundred and fifty kilometers to the south. And you'll make it to colima and two hundred and fifty kilometers to the northwest. And that'll take you directly to sandblast depending on the season your we'll go which is north of puerto vallarta them. Okay exactly. there is a road that you can take. It'll take you directly to puerto vallarta but it's the old road in. It's there's a lot of curves and it's real slow so if you wanna take the freeway you'll go northwest and then got to cut down south to get into puerto vallarta okay. So everybody wants to talk about food of oaxaca. Oaxaca is amazing in the yucatan. Absolutely amazing and a lot of people haven't heard about the food of guadalajara's we briefly mentioned berea and that's one of my absolute favorite dishes and it's something that we don't cook at home a whole lot. Usually via is something that we go to a restaurant for and the reason that that is that a lot of these restaurants have been around for fifty years or a really long time. My favorite place at medical bosseaux. The guy that's making the he's third-generation berea maker so his family's been making this dish for eighty years. It's hard to surpass somebody. Who's been doing it for. I mean literally close to a century and that's just one example. There's to lolo which is like a full-on hacienda restaurant seats. Six hundred people. They started as a guy selling berea out of a streetcar and then he bought his first restaurant and then they bought their second restaurant and they've got this huge hacienda. There's a lot of different styles of berea. Historically it was mostly with goatmeat but a lot of people do with veal if you go up into the north and tijuana they make it which is with beef. There's actually a guy who does it here with clams so it's a beef broth than clams in it. It's a modern take on it. It's i i like it. I like it. It's very different in. My opinion is the best of the traditional dishes from the area. The other one would be the tortoise. Gaza tortuga is a sandwich that's been bathed in like tomato sauce or is the name goes drowned in this tomato sauce. French influence back to the late nineteenth century. There was a french baker who is trying to replicate gatz. Couldn't get the recipe right and it came out real hard. It had real heavy cross and so they would drown it in sauce and at softened up the crust a little bit and that's typical of a lot of the food here in police go as they love sauce. There are tacos audible cola and they'll drown them in sauce. One of the absolute favorite. The most instagram sandwiches here is called a loan. Che the data and it is a sandwich with this rule thick bread and then it has pork belly on the inside and then they drown it in a tomato sauce. they're fantastic. that is at paul. Wral restaurant in the colonia americana. They have the best coffee in mexico to of their partners. Just one the best coffee roaster in mexico. Two thousand twenty. That is a mandatory. Stop when you come to. The hara is paul riyal. I've actually gotten really good recommendations for restaurants from the chef from john. He really knows his local food. And then the third one would be carney who will and so cardinals who go as thinly sliced bef- and a little bit of bacon beans in a tunnel tayo broth. It's a soup meet in in juice ymusic cooked in its own jewish and juices drool slowly the translations this evening okay and they used that picking up the broth a little bit and there's one place that won the guinness book of world records for the fastest service. There's one streets in the neighborhood that has like four continents who who restaurants on the same block. They're all delicious. It's not my favorite food. it's home style. It's simple but it's so fulfilling was too much get stuffed. When i eat there so i try not to do it too much. I mean you gotta go for a taco tour. The tacos here absolutely fantastic. You get fancy tacos. You can get humble tacos. You can get fish tacos and all the different cuts and is very organized taco tour that you recommend. I've been thinking about a blog entry. That i want write a bow. The best places to go in one certain neighborhood the neighborhood of sunday. It's kind of a humble neighborhood. Blue class neighborhood not too long ago. It was kind of a dangerous neighborhood if you get a little too close to downtown. Today's a huge wave of gentrification coming through so it's much safer than it was a decade ago but the food is spectacular really traditional restaurants and sunday the market in santa data the barrier right across the way has just really really good taco. I'm sure you can find an organized tour. i've seen a couple of. I haven't taken them if you wrote that blog post when we will link it in the show notes okay fantastic fantastic and then a couple of other really traditional things would be the mexican style fermented beverages so there is one that's called we so take we know is corn masa and just been fermented for a couple of days and it's corn masa that the mix with a bunch of sugar and they just let it from for a couple of days and then they put a scoop it. There's no alcohol and so if it did have alcohol it would be less than one percent point. Zero zero something percents realize that it was low alcohol or it's been fermented just a tiny tiny little debt in the guy who would always tell it like if i leave it for too long. I can smell the alcohol after a couple of days but still it would. You couldn't even perceive that had alcohol in it and they serve that with a scoop of lemon ice cream. Refreshing lime salt lemon ice cream and it's refreshing on a hot day. You mentioned we haven't talked about is we're in more central mexico at this point. What's the best time of year to come to find the best weather. The best festivals. Whatever i'm gonna say that the fall so in october is when we have the big festivals dot is the festival of october. And so it's a it's like the fair comes to town. The del mar fair. Were there's fair rides. There are a huge round of concerts. There's a ton of money is she. There's bullfights there's soccer games like all the sports being played there's baseball there's a pacific league baseball team. The weather is the nicest that time of year. The summer is the rainy season. And it gets really hot even at the altitude. Because you're a mile up. Yeah it's still hot. We actually this week. It got high. We went from being cold last week. We had a low of three degrees celsius. And gosh. i'm so embarrassed that i don't know fahrenheit anymore. You're in the year in the thirties. The the high thirties at that one. Yeah so that was the low and the high it was. It was really nice during the day. And then this week. I'm already turning the fans on and we say this week. We're recording this in late. February of two thousand twenty one. Just put this on the map for people who are listening some time from now so march april. May it gets really hot. okay get up. It'll be high thirties. It's probably gonna be in the ninety s fahrenheit and that's not my favorite time to come because just saps your energy when it's that hot and then the rains come in about june and the rains are beautiful for the first couple months and then towards the end of the rainy season when you get hurricanes coming through and if there's a hurricane off the coast of the pacific somewhere it just rains like crazy trees fall over you lose electricity for a little bit. It's really nice at the beginning. I'm not sure. If you've heard of the song guadalajara guadalajara and talk about the smell of the wet ground and in june when it starts to rain and you get that first reign of the year and the smell. It's just it's so delicious it's just. It's so typical of here. That i strain of the season and it's really nice but towards the end of the season i get tired. I like the change in the seasons here. The winters very short very brief. I like it for the two months that it's chilly. I never to break out my jack as all my clothing from the san francisco bay area. I haven't taken that out in years. I can get away with sweatshirt. And i still. I know it's not the fashion. But i wear shorts and sandals year round people here a little bit more fashion conscious so i would recommend long pants and jeans but i don't mind you know what i mean. People know gringo. I'll i'll never lose my accent. Excellent there's one last thing that i wanted to mention and that is. What does the guidebook masks or what are they not get right in. Everybody talks about mercados on. Monday does but i think that medicare is so much more enjoyable because of the food in in some of the best representations of the traditional food are in mugabe bustos. I run into the celebrity shafts. I run into all sorts of restaurant people at Bottles where they're doing the purchasing for the restaurant after they get breakfast at their favorite beauty. A place where carne asada place or menudo place. It's like a little foodi heaven medically battles in none of the guidebooks mentioned medical vassals. Excellent as we start to wrap this up you're standing in the prettiest spot in guadalajara or in the region. Where you stand. What are you looking at tough call. But i live in a neighborhood. That's called chop alita. There's lots of trees and i'm thinking that it's springtime and there's really tall jack. Arandas lining the streets in their purple flowers. And there's a mixture of another tree. That's called rain of gold or you via the auto and this time of year. The street is called parque. One diego and i think it's one of the most beautiful streets in guadalajara. It's a residential streets. There's two business districts that run parallel on avenida guadalupe and avenida deputy act but parked diego is old mansions from the nineteen forties and more than anything is little monuments little roundabouts with a little statue but more than anything. It's got to be the trees. And i love this time of year. I love the trees when they're flowering and you can get little peaks because a lot of these mansions have real high fences. But you can get little peaks of some really cool modernist mansions or art deco mansions and i think parking. Diego is my favorite streets. Some people might say avenue to libertad. Avenue libertad is the colonia americana that we talked about earlier. Everybody has their preferences. But that's where. I walk on almost a daily basis. And so that's the one that i like. The most excellent one thing that makes you laugh and say only in guadalajara. The way that everything is drowned in sauce gava and there's several other people just love their saul says they just want everything ton of salsa. The food's really good and it's heavy on the sauces. Think about bathed in sauce excellent. And if you had to summarize guadalajara in just three words what three words which use willia- thira mahara so. It smells like damp. It smells like wet earth and a think about the seasonal changes and it's an iconic song. Elvis presley actually sang at once on an old movie that he did which you can get at the market for in the heart of version. I i don't buy anything anymore. I understand everything. Super bad. Buy pirated stuff. Don't crucify me for that one. My mother-in-law was real strict. She's like no no. You can't be buying pirated movies anymore. It's like okay okay. No more pirated movies by the guadalajara guadalajara. It's a really beautiful song. It kind of reflects the seasonal changes. I think what will her is. A city of smells so with the seasonal changes in this neighborhood shop. Alita there's lots of trees so in the fall winter when the orange trees are starting to flower there's that smell of orange blossoms there's roses there's just there's lots of smells and a lot of them are really enjoyable whether it's food or trees or flowers or seasonal changes in the first reign of the year. There's a lot of really enjoyable. Smells around here. And paul hudson has been our guest and his website again is playas. E plazas dot com. And for those of you who didn't translate that in your head that's beaches and plazas you can see from the episode where that comes from his love for both the beaches and the plazas and paul if we wanted to send to your best post on guadalajara and plassey plazas dot com where. We're going to send them. I would just do a search for things to do in guadalajara. I hope i'm on the first page there somewhere. We will directly to your things to do. And i got a list of about thirty things trying to summarize as best i can just go into. I think i've got eight thousand or ten thousand words on that article. Where i just can go into so much more depth on all of the churches and all of the markets and all of the sports and all of the things that we just don't have time for on just one hour show and i think people are going to be completely willing to believe that we were constrained by how much time i was giving you rather than how much you had a. Oh man well thank you. I wish i would have managed my time a little better i tried to do. This is fun. I thank you so much for giving me the opportunity. This was a blast. And thank you for introducing me to the podcast. I have become a huge fan and found some really interesting places that i was not familiar with before so excellent. Thanks for what you do. This is an amazing podcast. And thanks for sharon. We'll thank you for sharing your love for guadalajara. Gail in news the community. I of course. Thanks go out to the patrons of the show who help support the show through patron dot com with their generous donations. You too can be patron of the show for as little as five dollars. A month by going to patriae on dot com slash amateur traveler. I heard a while back from rolla. Who wrote about the episode. We did on egypt. It was really interesting listening to your podcast about egypt. My mom is egypt. And i'd been to egypt many times including the time that i used to live there for a few years as a child but i have yet to visit. Those other places mentioned outside of cairo one day soon. I'll go back and make a detour to visit those places while i visit my mom that includes alexandria by the weight. Sally touched on the scams. That can go on there involving tourists. I'd like to add a warning about the taxis as well. Taxi drivers tend to overcharge tourists and foreigners. So i would hang out with them until you get a price you agree on. That goes for anything else to such as merchants in con el kelly. Basically don't be so quick to pay for things. Unlike here in the united states you have the ability to haggle prices down however it might be better with services like uber. Great show by the way. Love your podcast and thanks so much rolling. Sorry it took me a while to get to your feedback. I think of the time that i was in a market in ece. Wera morocco egypt. I understand but another place where they liked to bargain and we were actually there with the metrology trip that year that went to southern morocco and we went into the market. I think i was looking for a leather belt. And it's so hard to find good leather belt here at home. I'll often find things that are pleasure. And they just fall apart immediately. And so i found this leather belt and the person gave me a price translated realized it was ten dollars and i said yes to look on. His face was like well. I was way too easy but for me at ten dollars belt is such a great deal. So yes i have gotten it for us but you know i didn't mind putting a couple extra dollars in his pocket and is still a great deal so yes you can haggle. But sometimes you'll have to decide whether it's worth with that we're gonna end this episode of amateur traveler. Puberty questions emailed to hosted amateur traveler dot com or better yet leave a comment on this episode at amateur traveler dot com. And thanks so much for listening taxi. Want the one champ. They is being dating back to.

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Federal Executive Council Approves N2.9bn For Exam Materials

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Federal Executive Council Approves N2.9bn For Exam Materials

"She all listening to the news office hour on Africa Business Radio. The Federal Executive Council has approved the sum of 2.9 billion naira for the printing of materials for the upcoming senior School certificate examinations. Come on and Trends and basic education exams the minister of Education Mister Adamo Adamo disclosed this while briefing State House Correspondents after the fact executive council meeting which was held at the council chambers in Abuja on Wednesday. A Domino's said that a contract will be handled by eighth printing companies. The minister also know city council approved and nine hundred million naira for the rehabilitation of roads in Guadalajara Township and a 719 million naira for the upgrade of roads in kwale area Council and that took the news at this time on Africa Business Radio. You can continue to listen life online at w w w dot Africa business radio.com or our mobile app. I am Rachel she gender. Thank you for listening.

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El Azul Pt. 1: Juan Jos Esparragoza Moreno

"Due to the graphic nature of this kingpins crimes listener discretion is advised, this episode includes discussions of drug use murder and assault. That some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. It was a perfect seventy degree evening in Mexico City. The date September sixteenth nineteen Eighty-eight marked Mexico's independence, day, citizens celebrated with concerts, parades, and fireworks. But the scene was quieter in the wealthy suburbs. There a government official named Florentino Ventura enjoyed an intimate evening of barbecue with his wife, enter close friend, then Tara's reputation had reached an almost mythic status in Mexico. He was known as LT gray or the tiger a former bullfighter he became a police officer in the nineteen forties. And by the seventies, he had earned international acclaim for taking down some of Mexico's most notorious drug lords by the end of the night. Ventura his wife and their guest were all dead. According to the police report, Ventura had gotten into a heated argument with his wife. He shot the two women with a forty five caliber pistol before putting the gun in his own mouth, then Terras children, refuse to accept the coroner's official ruling, they believed their parents were murdered and that corrupt. Police officials were covering up the crime. Rumors suggested the shooting could be traced back to one Jose. Aspira Goza Marino, a drug kingpin known as LS zoo. I'm how old heart and I'm Kate Leonard. And this is kingpins on the park cast network. Every Friday we journey inside the ranks of organized crime rings from street gangs to mafia SOS to understand, how kingpin or Queen pin rises to the top of the underworld. Fall is we follow the lives of infamous crime, bosses will explore how money and power changed them. And now it changed the community around them. This is our first episode on one Jose. Aspira Goza, Marino, also known as El Zule, or the blue one due to the bluish tone of his dark skin. He worked side by side with the biggest names in the Mexican drug trade from the nineteen seventies into the twenty first century. We're grateful for you. Our listeners you allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at podcast network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening, it really does help us. We also now have merchandise head to park, cast dot com slash merch. For more information. L Zule whoa. Through a sea of tables laughing as greeted his visitors the guest Joaquin El Chapo Guzman, and McGill on hell marinas were offered their choice of dinner, lots ter-, sirloin, or pheasant with whiskey or cognac to accompany, the meal cocaine was available to if the guests so preferred alive Mexican folk bands supply, the entertainment, the place had the air of a nightclub. But in fact, the men were chatting within the walls of Reclusorio sewer a penitentiary just south of Mexico City. The year was nineteen eighty-seven and L Zule was just a few months into a seven year sentence, but you never would have guessed it from the way he and his guests were waited on by staff of fellow inmates. L Zule had achieved this lofty status within the prison partially due to his power within the criminal underworld. He was a legend of the. Guadalajara cartel. The most powerful drug cartel in Mexico. Also, as a former government agent, LS, Zule enjoyed close ties with corrupt law enforcement officers state governors and military generals, he kept these relationships strong by regularly paying out millions of pesos in bribes. It was clear to everyone at Reclusorio sewer L Zule ran the place guards remembered him fondly as Jill veal, man who used his money to make things beautiful even in prison beyond the nightclub. He put together in his cell blog. He paid for an ornate fountain to be constructed in the courtyard. He also had a playground built for visiting children. It wasn't just Ellas money that held sway in the prison. It was also the way he conducted himself, his flattering charming and easy going nature made people app to get along with him. He was ideally suit. It'd for his role as the peacemaker, whenever disputes over. Territories and trafficking routes are rose within the underworld Ellas, you'll was the man who could push the kingpins toward a truce, but on the night, El Chapo, and Marinez came to see him in nineteen eighty seven a truce was the last thing on their minds, El Chapo wanted revenge. He and his crew were in the middle of a feud with the Arianna Felix brothers Ramon, and Benjamin until recently, they had all worked under the umbrella of the Guadalajara cartel which operated throughout the entire northwest corridor of Mexico. But the Arianna affiliates brothers had just split from the group to control their own operation in Tijuana, the split had caused some friction in the REO leaks. Brothers had murdered two of El Chapo friends in the dispute El Chapo was prepared to kill the two brothers in retaliation in. Late nineteen eighties El Chapo, wasn't the internationally renowned crime boss? We know him as today he was just a low level gunman. He wouldn't go to war until he had gotten the renowned peacemakers consent, the peacemaker as is nickname suggested did not like violence ill. Zule often said the business of drug trafficking is not carried out with bullets, but he understood that in this line of work. A little murder was sometimes unavoidable, once he heard El Chapo story. He gave him permission to retaliate, just like that El Chapo war with the Arianna Feliks brothers was set in motion a war that would claimed dozens of lives before it was settled at the end of their meeting, El Chapo, and marinas thanked the peacemaker and left. LS Zule was escorted back to his cell, comfortable knowing that whatever happened between the warring drug lords he'd be safe within the shadows. Of his opulent prison. He retired to his chamber a private room kept clean an orderly by a full staff of personal attendance. One Jose as per Goza Marino was used to a life of comfort and luxury. He was born in nineteen forty nine during a period when Mexico was enjoying unprecedented economic growth and stability, the aspiring Goza Marino family operated. A ranch in the small village of wishy. Oh by in the state of seen Loa Mexico. The ranch was prosperous enough that L Zule would one day be left with an inheritance of fifty million pesos worth about two million US dollars at the time when he looked back at his childhood LS Zule remembered his mother, as demanding and stern, but his father was an indulgent figure who tended to spoil him the youngest of the family seven children, nearly Zulu and his father were always close. They seem to have a mutual understanding to ignore each other's bad behavior when he was a child L ZOA once walked in on his father in the barn with another woman, the boyfr-. Rose for a moment in shock. Then simply closed the barn door and never mentioned the incident again. L S will didn't like school, and he dropped out at the age of sixteen in around nineteen sixty five he worried about what is family would say, but his father didn't get upset. Instead, he helped Ellas you'll start a small grocery business where he first learned the art of customer service and salesmanship. The young man had his eye on a different kind of business seen alot is part of Mexico's golden triangle, an area with dry soil and perfect weather conditions for growing opium poppies and cannabis. Encina Loa in its neighboring states drug, trafficking is one of the most popular professions, LS Zule didn't buck this trend. He started dealing drugs when he was about twenty years old despite his youth. He was no small time peddler. He worked his way into a large scale trafficking. Operation run by a man named one Jose, par also known as El Diablo the devil, just as L Zule entered the drug business in the late sixties things began to change in seen low. These changes were prompted by shift in the United States, drug policy after the election of Richard Nixon in nineteen sixty eight. Nixon associated drugs with leftist groups, and anti Vietnam war agitators. He called drug abuse, public enemy number one. And after taking office, he officially launched America's war on drugs in September nineteen sixty-nine. The Nixon administration began operation intercept a policy that drastically changed the way. Customs agents process travel across the border previously agents usually stopped one out of every twenty cars at the border to check for drugs or contraband once operation intercept went into effect customs agents were required to conduct a three minute inspection of every single vehicle traveling from Mexico into the United States. The Mexican government was informed about the new policy only days before it was implemented. And they were furious in the first week border agents stopped two million three hundred eighty. Four thousand seventy nine cars after complaints from Mexico's president and foreign secretary, the US agreed to abandon operation intercept as long as the Mexican government agreed to cooperate with US efforts to curb drug trafficking. Their hand had been forced but Mexican law enforcement held up their end of the bargain throughout the early seventies. They stepped up their efforts to target the drug flow, specifically through the golden triangle in nineteen seventy Mexican police stopped a truck travelling through Culiacan seen a Loa a quick. Search discovered seven hundred kilograms of marijuana inside also inside was the trucks nervous. Twenty one year old driver Juan Jose. Aspira Goza Marino, when we come back, we'll discuss the outcome of Eleazar rules first major run in with the law. Pair of thieves is known for its Uber Cup. After Bill, men's underwear socks and undershirts. But guess what? 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On Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts, again, searched the dark side of or visit par cast dot com slash dark side to listen now now back to the story. Seen in Loa Mexico was a hotbed for drug trafficking in the nineteen sixties. But as the seventies rolled in the Mexican government boosted its drug enforcement practices in response to US pressure. One of the first victims of the crackdown was one Jose as Bargo. Som Merano better known as El Zule in one thousand nine hundred seventy LS Zule was arrested as he attempted to transport seven hundred kilos of marijuana through sina Loa. He was charged with trafficking and crimes against the public health and sentenced to five years in prison. Perhaps L ools wealth and family status protected him, or perhaps an arrangement was worked down by the higher ups and the trafficking. Ring he worked for whatever the reason lawyers were able to successfully appeal his case and L Zula was released after just nine months behind bars. This incident didn't scare the twenty one year old smuggler away. Hey, from the drug trade, but it did motivate him to keep a low profile from then on L Zule shied away from flashy clothes or expensive cars. He kept an even temper, and he refrained from starting public feuds with anyone his goal was to remain as unremarkable as possible. Zule was smart to remain. Inconspicuous Mexico's anti-drug initiatives. Encina Loa weren't slowing down in nineteen seventy five the Mexican government initiated Operation Condor to a radically, the poppy, and marijuana fields, nestled in the mountains of the golden triangle, helicopters donated by the US State Department began patrolling the Sierra Madre mountains. They dumped herbicides over thousands of acres of land to destroy the drug crops military and police raids also increased amid the crackdown the United States Drug Enforcement Administration knew. Newly established in nineteen Seventy-three sent down dozens of agents to collaborate with Mexican authorities in the Aratu -cation efforts Operation Condor did successfully destroy millions of dollars of crops, but it didn't put a stop to drug trafficking with the increased focus on sina Loa drug barons, simply relocated to other parts of Mexico, the leading members of sina, Loas, drug trade, traveled hundreds of miles down the Pacific coast and congregated in Mexico's second largest city, Guadalajara by the mid seventies, L Zule followed the tide. He began a new life with a new family into. In nineteen seventy two twenty three year old Alesandel entered term relationships with two different women Maria Guadalupe a stampede on and off Elia Mon zone, Araujo, he referred to both women as his wives although since bigamy is a legal in Mexico. The exactly galaxy of these relationships is unclear but his commitment to these two women appears genuine, he maintained, both relationships for decades. Both women gave birth to sons in nineteen seventy two L zoo was intensely devoted to his family. He had a reputation for being mild mannered and genteel, but any threats to his wives or children, immediately brought out his deadly side. One of his suppliers learned, this the hard way after he set up business in Guadalajara, LS, Zule, added prescription pills to his drug inventory supplied by a doctor named Rodriguez on a spring, day in nineteen seventy six the doctor paid a visit to Ella's home L, you'll wasn't there, but the doctor found Maria Guadalupe, eight months pregnant, and alone, except for her four year old son. The doctor cornered and sexually assaulted her days later, a red sedan in a pickup truck pulled up in front of the doctors practice in the busy commercial neighborhood of Santa. Sara sita. By heard five shots explode from within the building. A pair of figures raced outside climbed into the cars and sped away. The doctor was found shot dead in his office. The two gunmen were apprehended and one of them confessed that the hit was ordered by a man named L. You'll the police in Guadalajara had never heard of anyone by that Elias with the two assassins in custody, and no other leads on this mysterious L Zule they didn't make a serious effort to pursue him. The police would never have suspected that the man, they were looking for was one of their own. At some point in the nineteen seventies LS Zule became an agent of the now defunct Mexican intelligence agency the federal security, directorate or DFS, given his criminal activity L Zule might have seemed like a strange candidate for a career in law. Law enforcement, but corruption within the DFS was so rampant that the federal agency was seen as a sort of career ladder for criminals, many of the agencies commanders protected different cartels in exchange for bribes or even directly participated in drug smuggling operations themselves. That's by taking a job with the federal government Ella's, you'll only furthered his career as a drug trafficker through his work at the DFS, he met me gal unhealthily Sciutto. They had a lot in common. They were both around thirty years old. And both had been born in seen Loa Mexico Philly Sciutto had been a state police officer in Loa. And he had gone on to become the personal bodyguard of Leopoldo Sanchez Sali's, the former governor of sina Loa, like Ilisu, Philippe Sciutto had moved to Guadalajara in the mid nineteen seventies when military sweeps and seen a Loa made the drug. Business there untenable with his political connections, Philippe Sciutto had. No trouble building a new empire in Guadalajara, as business exploded in the late nineteen seventies, he sought out skilled lieutenants to keep his operation running an L Zule caught his attention. L Zule did not disappoint expectations. He proved to be an excellent negotiator known for quickly easing tension with jokes and sweet talk an informant described Ellas you'll as quote, a really skilled Cabo. He gets along with everybody. He's not a killer for killing sake. He kills with money and with his charisma because of that he is not only respected among drug dealers. He is loved within a few years. Zulu had become one of the league's guy, Ardoz top advisors. They presided over what was about to become the most powerful drug empire Mexico had ever seen in the mid seventies, Feliks Gerardo was introduced to one Mata by a steroid. Use a Honduran drug trafficker who had connections to the Medein cartel in Colombia up to this point Colombian cocaine had never passed through Mexico. It was flown directly into. The United States but Mata by steroids saw an opportunity to work together. Motto bias darrow's, brokered, a deal for Feliks Guialdo to help smuggle Colombian, cocaine through Mexico and into southern California in exchange, Feliks guy Ardo would be paid in cocaine, which he could then sell through his own distribution network at an incalculably high profit margin. It was, obviously a smart move for failure Sciutto while the Mexican government was busy, destroying poppy, and marijuana plantations. He began moving product more lucrative than marijuana and heroin, put together. He partnered with our Nesto fund Secca nicknamed Don Netto, who had been smuggling cocaine out of Ecuador for years, their organization became known as the Guadalajara cartel with his political connections and massive cocaine prophets, phillipe's guy, Ardo built himself up to become the overseer. Of nearly all the drug distribution in Mexico. L Zule, made himself indispensable to the ever-growing cartel by settling internal disputes over trafficking routes striking deals and negotiating the organization's rules about peration. Guadalajara cartel was tolerated by the state of Halas goes governor and Rica, Alvarez del Castillo, because the traffickers would often invest their wealth into the community. Within just a few years modern luxury hotels. Reshaped. The Guadalajara skyline trendy restaurants and discotheques drew in tourists and estates were constructed to house, the city's newly wealthy residents. No one really cared that the city's facelift was funded by drug money, the Mexican federal government strict anti-drug initiatives said, also waned by nineteen seventy seven drug-traffickers developed a tacit agreement with Mexican law enforcement. They were forbidden from targeting children, killing government officials for perpetuating street violence. They were allowed to transport drugs north into the US, but they weren't allowed to sell within Mexican communities as long as the cartels played by these rules police would leave them alone. It wasn't so difficult to avoid violence since the Guadalajara cartel enjoyed a near monopoly on the Mexican. Drug trade. They rarely had to resort to gang warfare. Their supply was limitless and as cocaine caught on in the early eighties. The demand for drugs, remained as high as ever in nineteen Eighty-one at just thirty two years old L Zule was raking in untold millions of dollars, managing drug operations for the Guadalajara cartel that year he was approached by Phillies Gerardo 's partner, don't Netto and another rising star within the Guadalajara cartel. Rafael Caro Quintero now that Mexico's drug eradication efforts had dwindled dough Netto and Carl king tarot, one or to revive the vast marijuana plantations they'd once overseen in Loa. Cocaine was a good money maker, but growing marijuana was karo can terro specialty he had already parceled out a few hundred acres of land in the desert, about two hundred miles northeast of Guadalajara. He had plans to plant an even bigger crop in the northern state of Chihuahua expanding across thousands of acres of land Carl king. Kiro had already sunk, twenty million dollars from his own pocket into this massive plantation, but he was hoping to collect more funds to finance his undertaking. L Zule agreed to loan the pair four million dollars to start the crops, it didn't seem risky since marijuana had become a low priority target for the government in nineteen Eighty-one karo can tarot built a ranch. Unlike anything the drug lords had ever seen. He created five cultivation sites bigger than football fields barracks for thousands of workers high. Hi tech, irrigation wells and vast storage units, the plantation, which he named Rancho boof h-a-l-o produced a crop worth billions of dollars promising LS Zule, an exponential return on his investment. There was a nice addition to the estimated five billion dollars. Guadalajara cartel was pulling in from cocaine sales every year. They're Honduran deal broker. One motto by steroids owned an airline company called set co which he used to send planes full of white powder up to the Mexican desert's with stunning regularity throughout the early eighties set. Coz business focused on two main activities moving drugs from Colombia to Mexico on behalf of the Medellin cartel and moving weapons into Nicaragua on behalf of the CIA. Motto bias, Darrow said somehow been recruited into the CIA as covert mission to aid the antics. Communist contra rebels in Nicaragua, the CIA claim to have no idea that the planes, they were using to send weapons to the contras were also being used to smuggle drugs into the United States given monta bias, terraces known status as a DA offender, many people find this difficult to believe whatever the case motto bias, stereo says new job as a CIA asset did nothing to slow down his drug, trafficking, nor did the fact that according to DA reports the CIA and Mexican DFS used Rafael Caro can tarot sprawling ranch as a training ground for Guatemalan guerrilla soldiers in the early eighties, the CIA dismissed the allegations, as absolute nonsense, but it wouldn't be the last time the two American agencies, but it heads in Mexico. In one thousand nine hundred eighty a DA agent named Enrica KiKi Camarena accepted an assignment in Guadalajara. He uncovered several mid-size marijuana plantations that he believed were owned by Rafael Caro. Quintero agent Camarena was frustrated by the corruption and government inaction that allowed the drug trade to thrive. His investigations were repeatedly thwarted by the Mexican police who all seemed to be on the cartels payroll, including one Jose spargo's Marino, alias. Ls Zule in one thousand nine hundred eighty three a Mexican intelligence report listed, the thirty four year old DFS agent among the country suspected drug traffickers with the thin facade of his DEA. This career blown police issued several warrants for Eleazar arrest later, that year authorities managed to detain Alesandel while he was travelling to the border city of mecca. Kelly, but he reportedly offered his captors seven million pesos worth over forty thousand US dollars. And he was soon released for lack of evidence payoffs like this frustrated agent Camarena, and he wanted to deal a lasting blow to the Guadalajara cartel. He soon got that chance around November first one thousand nine hundred eighty four the DA office in Mexico City received a tip about a vast marijuana ranch in Chihuahua called Rancho booth alot this tip combined with the intelligence agent Camarena had gathered about Kara can terro gave the DA enough evidence to pressure. The Mexican attorney general's office into letting them do their job, six days later, DA helicopters set out at dawn headed for the Chihuahua desert. We'll hear more about the desert raid after this. Now back to the story by nineteen Eighty-four, thirty five year old one Jose, aspera, Gozo Marino, also known as El Zule had become a key member of the Guadalajara cartel. He was already making millions off his investment in his partner. Rafael Caro Quintero 's massive marijuana plantation, Rancho bufallo in the deserts of Chihuahua. It was typical of Ella's you'll style to offer quiet support to his boulder comrades, and then reap the rewards from behind the scenes, but karo can taros brazenness was too much for one dog a DA agent KiKi Camarena after monitoring can taros activities for years. The DA along with Mexican authorities set out to destroy the Chihuahua plantation in November of nineteen Eighty-four. The plantation was so huge. It took the raiders two days to survey, the whole property. None of the agents had ever seen so much marijuana in one place. They seized and destroyed thousands of tons of crops worth an estimated eight billion dollars time magazine called it, the bust of the century claiming that the amount of marijuana seized had set a new world record. It was a massive hit for the entire Guadalajara cartel. But Caro Quintero was understandably the most furious and did not intend to go quietly. If the DA had intended to send a message, he would send one right back three months after the November, nineteen Eighty-four raid Mexican DFS agents surrounded agent Camarena in broad daylight on the street outside the American consulate. He was kidnapped and taken to a ranch. Ranch owned by Feliks Ardo, where he was brutally tortured by Caro Quintero, and several others throughout the interrogation the men, grilled Camarena on which cartel leaders, he was tracking which Mexican officials had been implicated, and whether there were any other plan DA raids they had a doctor on site to inject Camarena within Thatta means to make sure he stayed awake through all the agony after thirty hours of torture. They realized Camarena didn't know any useful information. They finally killed him by piercing. His skull with a power drill agent, Camarena's death is still shrouded in mystery several eye-witnesses from the DEA vez told the DA the Mexican government officials and see a operatives participated in the kidnapping the man leading the interogations, according to, to eye witnesses who have remained anonymous was a c. Officer named bay leaks. Rodriguez Fe leaks Rodriguez was later implicated as part of the Iran contra affair in which the CIA engaged in a legal arm sales, and possibly drug trafficking to fund the contra rebel army in Nicaragua, as we mentioned earlier, one Mata by a steroid use, and possibly Rafael Caro Quintero were also involved in the scandal, the DA's internal investigation theorized that agent Camarena had been close to discovering, the financial link between the CIA and Caro Quintero and CIA operatives encouraged Camarena's murder to cover up the scandal, the CIA, however denies any involvement in the murder and questions, the credibility of the anonymous I- witnesses, who implicated them we may never know, for sure who gave the order, but the Guadalajara cartel had done the deed, by killing agent Camarena, they'd bro. In the code that it afforded them free rein, the Mexican government couldn't ignore the murder of a law enforcement officer, especially one who held an American passport. The backlash was immediate officer Florentino Ventura nicknamed the tiger took on the case against the drug barons Ventura's contemporaries called him the most powerful and most feared police officer in the country. He was chief of the anti-drug division of the attorney general's office and also the director of the Mexican division of INTERPOL venture as colleagues said that he could never be bought off, but he didn't necessarily have spotless record. He was known for his ruthless treatment of the criminals. He interrogated, some said his methods even amounted to torture. One of the reasons men touro was so feared was that he was a collector of kingpin secrets. He made it his. Business to learn about relationships that connected the underworld through his vast network of sources. He tracked down the Guadalajara cartel leaders, one by one on April seventh nineteen eighty five two months after Camarena's death authorities arrested Guadalajara cartel leader Don Netto in the resort town of Puerto Vallarta, Rafael Caro Quintero, fled to Costa Rica. But he was arrested there on April fourth their next target was L, Zule Zule may not have been directly involved in the murder at all. But is one of the high ranking leaders of the Guadalajara cartel and a financier of the marijuana plantation, that had been burned. He was implicated as well. LS Zell's greatest asset was his ability to remain under the radar. He didn't draw attention to himself by making powerful enemies. He used his charm and his money to earn the elite. Silence of criminals and government authorities alike. But he knew Florentino Ventura would be immune to his magnetism and his bribes in the spring of nineteen eighty six L Zule was lying low in the outskirts of Santiago decorator row, he thought he would be safe there. But then Thira track the kingpin down on a brisk March. Evening venture led a group of six officers to Ella's ools compound. They broke through the door knocked LS to the floor and kicked him in the ribs, unsatisfied Ventura began to berate Ellas wife. Oh fella who was also in the room. L Zule tried to intervene saying you already have me, don't mess with my family. I'm the one you want. This is not what men do Ventura laughed and slapped the drug Lord across the face. He then put handcuffs on LS souls. Thirteen year old son and made the parents watch as officers beat. The boy senseless, Ventura would later bows to that he was the only officer who had ever managed to capture L Zule, but he wouldn't boast for very long when Florentino Ventura died of an apparent suicide two years later in nineteen Eighty-eight, many found the death suspicious reports have also noted that all six of the officers who accompanied Ventura to arrest Ellas you'll were assassinated over the next two decades. Those close to LS you'll have dismissed this as a coincidence in March nineteen. Eighty-six Thirty-seven-year-old, Ellas Zule was convicted of drug trafficking. He was given a seven year sentence, but prison was barely a step down for him. He had enough money and influence to renovate the penitentiary and turn the place into his own personal hotel, but despite his outwardly lively personality. His inmate records reveal a man. Plagued by deep anxieties during meetings with a prison psychologist, LS Zule showed signs of being a hypochondriac. He incessantly worried about his health and future. His fears may have been exacerbated by the deaths of his parents, five years prior. Both had died of cancer within months of each other. Many notorious kingpins are known for their fearless bravado. But Ella's Zule was not the kind of man who got a thrill from courting danger. He confessed that he was afraid of dying he suffered from nightmares and said that his prior brushes with death haunted him other events may have also contributed to his anxiety as a key figure in the Guadalajara cartel LS Zule had been part of an untouchable class, but the group's rain was coming to an end on April eighth nineteen Eighty-nine Mexican police officers stormed, the Guadalajara mansion of Miguel on. Unhealthy leaks guy Ardo. He was still in his pajamas eating breakfast with his wife and children. The officers arrested the kingpin and paraded him before the press in handcuffs Fe. Leaks guy Ardo was sentenced to thirty seven years in prison for his role in the Camarena murder. He remains incarcerated in a Mexican federal prison to this day with its last remaining leader taken out the Guadalajara cartel collapsed. Now druglords like Ella's Zule had to reckon with an uncertain future from their prison cells, LS will the godfather and other top leaders oversaw the organization's dissolution shortly after a league sky Ardoz incarceration. They convene to summit and nocco Pupo to divide up the pieces of the former empire by some accounts, Elyse. You'll was even granted permission to leave prison to attend the meeting the leaders agreed to dissolve the once nationwide operation. Into separate cartels, all along the Pacific coast. The territory's in Tijuana seen, Loa and Juarez would all have separate leaders. Each running a distinct organization with its own rules, and hierarchies. But the leaders agreed to maintain a loosely held alliance to reduce tensions and keep order, this alliance was known as the federation, the terms of the agreement meant that each cartel leader could pass through the territories of the others as long as they paid a fee to the territory's owner, the territory in the border city of Juarez was granted to done Netto nephew, one of the emerging leaders in the nation's narcotics trade, a motto Correo went as. Correo Puentes had been arrested for drug trafficking in nineteen eighty nine not long before. Failure skyer does arrest. He served time in the same prison as Ella Zule and their sentences. Overlapped LS Zule may have had seniority over Correo Flint as in the Guadalajara cartel. But now that the cartels days were over, he realized that Korea's ambitions surpassed his own as Korea began to stake out a claim to the title of Mexico's most powerful drug Lord Ellas, you'll gave the young man his support, and approval, Correo Fuentes didn't stay in prison for long. He had a connection with the deputy attorney general, which he exploited to get his conviction overturned once he was released from prison. He set out to achieve his goal to take control over the drug flow through the northern Pacific coast of Mexico in nineteen Ninety-two Ellas, you'll was released from prison as. Well, after serving six years of his seven year sentence at forty three years old, his days of advising the legends of the Guadalajara cartel were over, but his life as a Mexican kingpin was just beginning. He was about to step forward into a new era of organized crime. Thanks again for listening to kingpins. 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"You guys you know. Send the men out to dance and stuff and strip. Would it be a full strip down completely. Is there any way they would do that. There's no way they could jiggle. Something in my body's is for his birthday stuff is awesome like these people are just loving everything they have and yeah. I mean. Lots of stories like that and literally. When we weren't on the job we were hanging out with these people just talking to them learning about them chasing their daughters around and stuff like. That's a different story. You know they want to see if they can get better results with someone else. That's what my wife said understand. I realized that i really wasn't happy. Knocked controlling my time feeling like my time in my effort that i was putting in wasn't as valued as much as what i was doing for the company. How did taxes work for you. That's a good question. So sometimes we split up and go to different areas to different stores. And that's kind of when it first started clicking that like if you want to have this type of stuff in our lives we really need to be the business owners instead of the employees so my name is mike bag. I thirty one years old. I'm originally from connecticut. But i live now in guadalajara mexico and my background. I was working in corporate real estate development. Got kind of tired of that wanted to start something for myself. Also had some other things going on in that job that kind of pushed me away from that and i jumped into ecommerce and that just led to learning more and more about selling on amazon and eventually to the agency. I have today called aims e advisors where we help other brands and manufacturers maximize their sales on the amazon platform. Cool while you give us your whole story there in thirty seconds so i think i've ever done an interview. Well i just have to get that elevator pitch down. I mean you know that's how it goes. I got well. I appreciate it. I love it because then now it's going to make it easier for everyone to understand how you got to where you are today. But yeah do you wanna talk a little bit more about on advisers first and then we'll go back to how you got started. Sure definitely so we've been around since about two thousand fifteen right now if a team of thirty people in the us mexico and asia and founded it with myself and two other partners. We've worked with a lot of different companies and brands that are selling on. The amazon platform are looking to get onto the amazon platform. And some of these brands are household names. We've worked with some brand. Johnson and johnson owns proctor and gamble. Loons some very well known brand names as well as small businesses. So there's really no limit to who can succeed on the amazon platform. And we've helped these huge multinationals go from a couple of millions Tens of millions or more on the amazon platform. But we've also helped small mom and pop stores or one person operations go from three hundred thousand dollars a year to over three million dollars a year. So it's really no limits to who can actually grow on the amazon platform and we're just trying to help people realize their goals and get the best results for themselves. And you said you were in mexico. I am i'm in guadalajara mexico. Why are you there. That's a long story but originally when we were starting a business yet the agency side. We were quitting corp jobs. We were taking a risk as we saw and wanted to limit the amount of risk we had wanted to limit our expenses to make sure that we gave this business. The best chance to get off the ground so what we did was we actually moved. Apply it all carmen mexico and lived there for a while and we were there for about. I was there for about four months and the business really started gaining traction. Then and after that i kind of realized that i could run this from anywhere actually ended up coming the guadalajara for a month just to see the city and i ended up meeting my future girlfriend at that time. And she's from here. I've been living here ever since so nice and so did that actually work out a way cheaper to live there versus where you were living before. Yes it's a huge difference. Being from the tri-state area. In connecticut i remember i was living in stanford which it's a small city outside of new york and i was paying about fifteen hundred dollars a month for a bedroom three bedroom apartment. I mean the apartment was very nice but still that was expensive for a bedroom and just in comparison. My previous apartment here was a two bedroom apartment in a luxury tower with three pools a full gym spa all this stuff and now is for less than a thousand so yeah i mean it does make a big difference costs by moving outside of the us. Although you know it's not as much of a concern now but it still allows me to save a lot of money and use that to invest in start other businesses and so do you see yourself like stained on there forever. That's a tough one in mexico is. There's a good chance of my girlfriends from here. She doesn't have any burning desire to go to the us. she's not a big fan. That i don't know i. She just doesn't like it. She doesn't like american but somehow she's dating one so go figure. I would love to end up the beach though down here because that's just more my style and just more what i prefer. Okay so you said amazon visor. Thirty people today and how many people are in the mexico versus the other areas You listed off share it so we have twenty people here in mexico and that's not including myself and my two partners who actually also live in mexico. They live in playa del carmen. And in asia we have two people and then in america we have in the us. We have seven people. We previously had an employee in europe as well. But that didn't work out as well so okay. So basically are you just trying to get people if they have amazon listings or want to get something listed today with amazon advisors. You're basically helping them with their listings and taking a cut or like house at worker financial models for today yeah so we primarily work on a monthly retainer although there are we do offer ala carte services as well our main service is full management. So we're taking over everything you start working with us. We're going to optimize the content to make sure your amazon listings. Look good. we're going to help you develop a lot of the strategies that are really gonna help you grow. And then we're going to manage the advertising for you so really you just have to focus on managing your inventory levels makes it a lot easier for our clients and then we're having biweekly consulting. Calls them so we can just walk them through the process. And what's your life like today. I know you're in mexico but how many hours you work in. And what's like down in their mexico. I still more or less work. Fulltime definitely flexible. That i'm on my own hours. So i kind of started when i want when i want which is great but the great thing about being here is that we've been able to hire a lot of really great employees for our team so more and more of our responsibilities are being taken over by a lot of the people that were hiring and that's just allowing us to scale more. It's allowing us to focus our time and energy. When i say us by self from the other partners on other projects that we're working on and yeah i mean it's pretty great lifestyle. I really can't complain about it. Did you see yourself ever getting to this point like earlier in your life you having a business with two partners and living in mexico i always had kind of desire to go travel and go explore and see more things. I don't really know that that would come down to living in another country. And i also don't think i was ever really someone who was like supernatural. When i was younger. I was never out there shoveling snow or you would eliminate stand just kind of doing my own stuff and it just kind of happened by chance wants to start working in the corporate world and i just realized that i really wasn't happy. Knock controlling my time feeling like my time. In my effort that i was putting in wasn't as valued as much as what i was doing for the company so that's really what started pushing me down the entrepreneurial row and luckily i had two great business partners that had a similar feeling from the companies. They were working and we're just ready to try to do something on their own. And before real beck i guess. Do you have an office down there because all virtual and you said you had twenty people down there. But how's that work. Yeah we do have an office so here in guadalajara. We have an office for about twelve people. We have some team members who are in monterey which is in the north of mexico a couple of implied el carmen. We have another small office there that my partners us and yeah i mean it's been great. We're all virtual essentially now because of the pandemic but having the office here is really allowed us to build more of a presence that makes us seem like a real business instead of being you know just some company and from the us hiring freelancers. I mean we've actually created a great company culture within our team we've been able to keep hiring great people on just allowed us to tap into this. Labor market continued to expand and find higher level people to really manage the operations of the business wherever like scared being in mexico because as far as a safety concern. I mean i guess it'd depend where you are in mexico and even city to city but just curious from that factor is all. I think that's a tough one. i mean. yeah there's obviously areas that are sketchy in like you know i'm not gonna go to but i think that's almost the same as the us. I mean i'm from originally from connecticut. The town that i grew up next to has one of the highest murder rates in the entire country. So when it comes to thinking of what's safe and what's not safe. It's really all perspective on it. I know a lot of times. We get a lot of news in the. Us about things that are happening in mexico. And obviously it's the worst things that we're hearing about but i mean day-to-day stuff. It's pretty safe. I mean it's there's petty robbery petty theft stuff like that but when it comes to really having something bad happened to me. I don't think i've ever really been in a position where i felt that something that was going to happen in mexico. Okay so you've never like really been scared since you've lived down there. No i wouldn't say so. I mean there's been a couple things where i'm like what's going on just because i don't understand but again it's not really like something that's happening around me. It's just happening somewhere else in mexico and now i haven't personally felt scared down here. Like what like what were you talking about. The example that your didn't understand was going around. I think it was twenty nineteen in sinoloa. Which is the next state over. This is such a typical story about el chapo son was like captured by the federal police year. And kuli. khan. Which is the city win into. Like a full riot and arm. People popped out of everywhere. They pretty much over through the city until they gave back el chapo son. So i mean that's crazy narcos stuff and that's like really in certain areas but where i've lived where i've been. I've never really had to deal with that. Did you know that companies that blog consistently received sixty seven percent more leads than those that don't consistent. 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I've got a friend that his family's from mexico he wasn't even from there. I know he said certain. Parts of mexico. City or sketchy again like any city that you're in like i'm in jacksonville. There's certain parts. Where i mean i would go and i probably wouldn't feel comfortable but i still haven't been scared and i've traveled a lot. I'm like what's things. Start getting a little scatcherd and then you usually just turn around us going to the nicer neighborhoods again. It's not like i'm going up asking for crack or something like that. You know exactly. I mean i had that same experience. From where i grew up in connecticut. I was next at bridgeport in inbetween new haven. So i'm close to both of them. They both have very high murder rates very high crime rates. And you just know what neighborhoods not to go to so same thing here. I mean when you stay in the right neighborhoods you stay in a good areas. She's not doing anything. That's a little shady. You're not gonna have any problems in mexico for the most part. Well thanks for giving us that insight. I thought it was interesting because it's so interesting. How close mexico is to us. Ray because i mean i'm in florida too and it just seems like there's so much potential then i hear some negative things but it's like i never hear perspective someone who's living down there or get to meet people who are from there so it's pretty cool. Have you met a lot of people. Are you just going to stick with the mexicans and mexican girlfriend. Oh no i have a lot of friends down here from the. Us and from canada as well as other countries there's a lot of foreigners hearing guadalajara. I mean one of my best friends runs a hedge fund in the us from down here and other one ran a tech company that he sold off so when it comes to meeting people that are both foreigners and mexicans. There's a pot of interesting people and other really cool thing about here. Guadalajara is there's a huge startup scene. Because there's a lot of talent here but a lot of big tech companies are here. Like oracle ibm intel d uber. So there's a lot of really really smart people here and a lot of them are starting their own businesses. So it's always interesting people to meet and talk to figure out what they're doing. So i think overall it's pretty great environment to be living in and i mean for running a business. There's really not much better than tapping into the mexican labor market for a service that we're charging in. Us dollars okay. Well let's go so if anyone was interested you'd rickman guadalajara. Is there anywhere else. Like are as far as top places. It's not even quote unquote like safety but like me other entrepreneurs or if they wanted to go check it out the potential in mexico. Where would you recommend they check out. Yeah i mean if you're going more for the business five then i think guadalajara's gray i think mexico city in monterey all great to although there a little different monterey you're gonna get a lot. More manufacturing and a lot more physical products here in guadalajara. It's a lot more tack mexico. City you kind of get a mix of everything but you get foreigners you get people from the us from canada from south. America central america. So lots of people to me. I think if the business aspect any of the city's really great for that three big cities and if you're looking more for just like a more relaxed lifestyle. There's a lot of great places as well playa del. Carmen is a place where we spent a lotta time. My partner still live. There's some good co working spots there. There's a lot more of the digital nomads. There so still a lot of foreigners that are traveling. It's more of a relaxed speech lifestyle. But i mean kabo. San lucas is great for that as well. So sports arts There's a lot of experts in puerto vallarta. So yeah i mean that's more of the relaxed beach style. It really depends on what you're looking for. Do you ever go to like el salvador or anything like that. In central america for a little bit further south i've been to nicaragua. Guatemala haven't been costa rica salvador or honduras. I landed in el salvador once. But i never got out of the airport. Those other places. I really don't care about. Guatemala was pretty cool. Nicaragua is pretty cool. And there's not like political unrest going on there and costa rica's supposed to be beautiful too. So yeah i mean there's also places in your to check out the flights or cheap. The cost of living is pretty cheap. You really can't beat it. yes. I'm gonna ask you all these places and like small planes. Yeah i have direct flights. We have an international airport. Here waddell horace. So it's not as great as the mexico city airport where you can connect to pretty much everywhere but from here. I have direct flights. To a lot of western. Us cities including new york chicago denver. Seattle san francisco. La arizona dallas houston so pretty much a lot of major cities in the us. I can fly directly central america going the other way. I've got direct flights from here to guatemala el salvador costa rica panama colombia argentina brazil. So lots of great flights pretty easy to get around from here. How did taxes work for you. That's a good question. So there's actually i mean obviously. I'm going to preface but they you should always talks to a tax in our tax lawyer but there is a unique rule here in mexico where you can get something called temporary residency but as a temporary residents. You can stay for up to four years and you don't have to actually register for tax so i don't pay any taxes in mexico living here the only taxes i pay are in the us and a preface that because i live outside of the us for more than three hundred thirty days a year and i have residency in another country. I actually get a tax break in the us. So the first about one hundred and five thousand dollars of my income is tax free and on top of that you can get housing deductions. You can get a lot of other tax benefits. I mean in total. You're contributing to hire as to retirement plans like that. You can pretty much make your first hundred fifty thousand dollars a year tax free living in mexico or living in another country just that mexico has that unique rule for not having to pay taxes in the country. If you're a temporary resident nice thanks for that insight man. Everyone should be thinking you right now if they end up going abroad because heard of things like that and i thank you for explaining that especially with the mexico. You're saying for four years because of their taxes you don't pay them. But if he went to europe or some other country in europe baby those countries might have to pay in country tax rate. But you to have to pay the us tax if you're outside of it for more than three hundred thirty days can you talk to a tax advisor right. Yeah of course. yeah. I mean even still. It's very particular knowledge like you really need to find someone that's experienced with people living abroad to really understand these tax benefits. 'cause i discovered this somebody even my normal account in that i was telling us about. He was get out of here. Like this is real. And i actually had to point them to all the resources and he researched himself and he was like. Wow this is pretty amazing. So yeah. I mean it's just funny. There's not a lot of people that know about it and it's really really nice very great tax break to get if you're a us citizen if you're from outside of the us like canada. The canadian tax breaks even better. Because if you live outside of the country for six months a year you pay zero taxes so much less than the three hundred three. I need to well all right. We'll begin. Thanks for the insight. Meant why don't we go ahead and real back when he came out of college and then getting your first job and then how you became an ecommerce guru of course. Yeah sure so. I graduated from saint jo's university in philadelphia. I was double major their economics political science. I was thinking about going to law school. I would really wasn't sure what i was going to do. With my life at that point to be honest my concept growing up is that i had to get a good job. I had to get a save jobs and have to worry about it. Because i was always fed those ideas by my parents and the people around me and that led me to going to work for deloitte consulting after graduating and i worked loy for about a year and a half and i realized absolutely miserable. I hated the work schedule. I felt like i had no free time. Even the time. I had outside of work. I was just so drained and miserable from what i was doing at work so from there. I kind of realize that needed to change. We're quite what were you doing at work. That was him so miserable. It's just the hours working consulting was frustrating. Because you're traveling alive. You're working on big projects you know. When you have deadlines you have to work your hours no matter what until you get it done. So it wasn't anything that was really enjoyable and again. He came back to the coin of feeling like my time was valued for the amount of work that i was putting in the amount of effort. I was putting it. Okay so yeah. It was just frustrating. Those understandable so i mean how many hours do you think you were working. Sometimes sixty five seventy hours a week. Yeah it was just like it was brutal and then fitting that in with trying to go to the gym and like having a normal lifestyle just made it very exhausting right so after delete what ended up happening. You're working there for your and a half in time to move somewhere else. The actually while. I was still at the lawyer. I started thinking like what i want to do. Next and try to figure something out. And i was always very interested in real estate. And i started taking some courses at nyu on real estate investment real estate development real estate finance and from there i started trying to use my experience and what i was learning at school to find a job that i found interesting and i had a few unique opportunities. One was to start my own mortgage brokerage and pretty much have investment in my own backing to go ahead and do that and that sounded really cool at the time but obviously it was a big risk. Still kind of risk adverse at that point. Because i wasn't really the entrepreneur on my own. It's really when i started thinking about it. More and more the other opportunity. I had was to go work in real estate development and i came on to work at sears. Actually the big retailer. I joined when we were spinning off the saroj re so that was a two point. Two billion dollar transaction. And i actually stayed on with sears. After that just pretty much help manage their portfolio redevelop properties that showed a lot of potential or when good areas and just try to maximize the value that we could get from a lot of the real estate assets. We had so that was a really enjoyable job. Something completely different than what i was doing. It was be working a lot of different things to be actually planning feel had control of the project instead of being told what to do with the project. So yeah obvious. Totally different environment. I enjoyed it a lot. More that makes sense to people might be thinking like oh just still sounds like an office job or whatever but it sounds like what you're saying the one before you're being managed and told what do all the time and not only two hours that would be annoying as shit but with this new one. Sounds like you got us some of your creativity and you got to kind of figure it out and try to advise what to do is right exactly. There are obviously good aspects and aspects of that. I mean sometimes you gotta do stuff. That's just time consuming like with any real estate. You need to be reading lease deals. You need to be reading operating agreements for malls and then even beyond that. There's still a lot of legal nonsense that she needs to deal with with property laws local zoning restrictions ordinances all of that stuff. That's not so much fun. But yeah when you have this property and you're like all right well this is ten acres or whatever. It is twenty acres and mall spaces because the mall actually owns the parking lot. How can we redevelop this twenty acres and get the most value from i mean. Do we just split up the existing store and put new tenants in there. Do we tear down the entire store. Do we put restaurants and smaller shops. Do we turn into mixed use and and try to get some officer multifamily space in there as well so there's a lot of ways to approach it and it was definitely more fun because i had to give my creativity in figure it out one of the most exciting projects that i worked on was a property that we actually had in new brunswick new jersey right next to rutgers university and i had an awesome plan to redevelop that property and turn it into you know we could have sold it for like ten million if we redeveloped it. The asset value could have been like two hundred million. I worked hard on that to figure out that who so much fun but that was really a prime example of taking a piece of and now how can i maximize value from this piece of dirt. And i really enjoyed that. Did you go forward with their project. Unfortunately i didn't. Because i didn't have the money to spend. I think our development costs were about ninety million on that project so we really just developed and then we start shopping for. Jv partners on it and we were working with a development group out of chicago. I can't remember what the name of it is. Now that have done a lot of other big retail developments in the chicago area and we were talking about it for a long time. We couldn't really find the agreement on it. And then i actually ended up leaving sears before anything ever happened with and i don't think anything actually got done with that mall site so yeah part of the process. I mean you come up with ideas. You pitch them. You try to get everybody on board shot get the stakeholders in place. And hopefully you can actually execute and get the project done. This is just an instance where that didn't happen. Yeah i wouldn't even say an instance. That's the only problem with doing real estate development and why i never wanna get into it. It's like you have to go through so much shit just to get it done especially we even talk about any of the government stuff like if you had to go to city council and see if that like you're trying to find partners and you know even get the funding lined up verse in such a headache and i don't know if that was one of the reasons he left to it. Just at least you got to use a creativity but then it gets kinda stifled again when people don't want to wait and if you don't have the money and you're not in charge and kinda understandable you're like okay. Well how many more of these do have to say no to it. Yeah exactly. And i mean it's cool in the big projects come together but the amount of effort that you need to put in a lot of the big projects is almost the same but you need to put in for the small project. I did a small development. It was actually a land lease to all these new jersey and we're just giving them the landscaped free nothing on it as a former sears auto center and just the amount of bureaucracy dealing with new jersey politics local politics especially was crazy we had to redevelop our site plan so many times to meet every little group had any say over what this property was whether was state local federal. It is exhausting not as much flood actual idea part. But it's just part of the job. And i don't think i laughed because it was stressful to get that stuff done. I think i'm more moved on because a lot of the projects that i was pitching and seeing the value in we really weren't taking up and it wasn't so much that they weren't good project ideas. It's just that the company didn't have the money. So i was really interested if i was going to stay in real estate development. Which didn't but. If i did i wanted to make sure that was working with the people that actually had the money to go forward with the ideas that putting okay. Well yeah perfect transition. Because i was gonna ask why you left and again from your perspective and i think we all understand. It just sucks. They didn't have the money to do it so you saw that right. It seems like it was close enough but again if you can't get funding to do it's not even the governance that's keeping you out of. It's that they don't have enough money. So what happened from there. Yeah so it was more of a general trend. I mean that was just part of it. That played a role at the same time. you know. i'm working for a company. That's pretty much failing. I had a lot of insight into sears dad on the store by store basis. And it's sad a way when you look at this and this goes into the other part of the job when you look at the month by month sales data the year by year sales data per store you see declining over continuously. You're looking at that trend. You're like oh. This is not a good trend. Yeah exactly like this could be an issue. So really i started thinking a lot more about job security as well you know. I had a great paying job. I was making a lot of money doing real estate development. Well how much money were you. Making me has making figures from doing ears okay. It was low six figures but still. You're only a few years out of college to exactly. Yeah i like the amount of responsibility. I had was big. But this kind of goes back into partly issues with the company that you know you see sales go decreasing over month and a lot of the senior people that i was working within the real estate development group. We're leaving take jobs and other companies and cool. Part of that was. I was given a lot more responsibility than i probably would have had if i was at that stage in my career anywhere else but at the same time. It's kind of like a red flag in your head where you're like. Why are they jumping ship. Maybe i should get this a little bit more. So yeah. that's kind of the thinking on it. So i guess there's about twenty sixteen or so when you leave in. How old are you at this time. i guess. Twenty six twenty seven. How was i think twenty six. I think it was twenty army. Yeah twenty fifteen. Two thousand sixteen when i laughed about twenty six honestly the years all blend together now at this point. I can't even believe twenty twenty one but yeah you're getting old now so i know a thirty one. Just pretend that. I'm still twenty six anyway but yeah i was young. Young had responsibility there. It was awesome. I really enjoyed it so then you decide to leave what happens from where to go. During that time. While i was there and i saw sears like in-store brick and mortar sales dropping. I started paying attention more to a lot of the stuff that i was seeing in the real estate space. So one of the interesting trends. That was happening a lot of these crap. Cd malls were being bought up by amazon and and ups and they're being turned into distribution centers. Which was interesting for me. Because all right now. We're seeing these actual physical stores. Not having a need anymore now. Everything's going online. That's really when we started looking into the online space more. Who's we just you're myself and my partners. Yeah the same partners. I have today. We started together right out of our corporate jobs. One of them worked in project management. One of them work in sales for recruiting company. And we're all kind of in a similar situation where we wanted to do something ourselves at that point okay and so. We'll just brainstorming business ideas. We were yeah. We had a lot of different ideas trying to make things work. Mine was primarily focused on real estate. Because that's what i knew at the time but my business partner kind of brought up the idea of amazon and selling stuff on amazon and he found you could start selling e books on the amazon platform which pretty much cost nothing to create so as a really low upfront. 'cause then you just earn royalties on it and we kind of do this on her own. Creating our own e books and we still have monthly royalties that we earned from that when we wrote teasing twenty fifteen or twenty four team whenever it was what type of books do authors of well we actually have a variety of different ones one e book was on marijuana farming and there was on diet trends or diet and other i wrote a couple on real estate but the majority of these books were just outsourcing to ghostwriters to write for us for a couple of hundred dollars and they were doing all the writing for us so we really just had to research the topic. Tell them what we about. And they wrote the entire book for us. Okay thought i was like how to get a bigger penis and stuff like that to none of that now. I don't think we had any of those. We hit all the other exactly exactly. We forgot last night. S but we're going through the books had one was on project management and other was on real estate and someone asked me. They were like so. I've seen your website. Someone wrote a book about marijuana. So you had the real estate book someone else at the project management books. Which of your partners has the marijuana farm like Yeah none of us do. That'd be nice though but yeah just funny. Did y'all make decent money and where you doing that before. Y'all put your current jobs yet. We were doing that before we started. We made i think at the height. We're making not much maybe thousand dollars a month from it. It wasn't something where we were going to quit our jobs and completely survive on but it gave us some type of cash flow to really start exploring things more and that's when we started about selling physical products on the amazon side and that was another learning experience and we started with a process called retail arbitrage. Will we were essentially going to walmart and target and just buying everything on clearance event throwing it up on amazon selling and we ended up making about ten day from that and then we realized that we could build our brands and build their own products and start importing products. So with that i. Ten twelve k. We imported a bunch of products from asia from china with our branding on it and we started selling those on the platform. Real quick before the. What did you buy at walmart. I know you said stuff on clearance but just curious. Because i'm sure everyone else's to like what did you get on clearance to sell on amazon. There yeah so we sold a bunch of different things video games. A lot of video games the first product we actually sold was internet router that we got for like twenty bucks in walmart target and sold it for. I think eighty bucks on amazon so those were kind of the first products that we were selling. It was primarily electronics video games. We sold a lot of household goods as well. So and so did all of y'all bring him home to your apartment and ship them out in boxes from there. We did we actually on the weekends. When you're still having these corporate jobs we would just drive to certain area. I mean tristate area. It's pretty easy to get around from connecticut new york new jersey. We hit the entire tristate area every walmart every target we could find buying everything bringing it back home and then sending it to amazon and selling it that way. Oh so you send it to amazon warehouse and then it'd be there and then it would get sold from their exactly. Yeah that's exactly what we're doing. You said there's two other partners. What are their names. Stephen rob steve robin mike. That is it like it because it's just a very simple names right but so three of you did. Y'all just get him one car together and like you talk your business ideas or what you're going to do next and just go to target and walmart together. They had a great time was robin. I were actually living together. We had an apartment that we shared. Steve was there all the time. So even during the week we would after work in stanford where we were living after we all just come over and just start planning plotting trying to figure out what to do and yeah even driving around in cars we roll and just the same cars. Sometimes we split up and go to different areas to different stores. Robbing kind of it's what it feels like. It's weird when you walk out of a store. Sometimes with twenty copies of some video game people were like. What the heck are you doing by. They makes money. So that's what we're doing child predators list or anything like that from that doing that where you know. I don't think so. At least. I'm not aware i just making sure. That's probably the first thing that they're like. What is this guy needs so many video game right like trying to hang out with kids or whatever but okay. So you're buying that. And i guess i know they had their other jobs. But how did you know them. Just stephen rob. So we've actually been friends for a long time. Robin i go way back. We've been friends since pretty much kindergarten. Steve we met before freshman year of high school right after eighth grade. We all play lacrosse as well in high school so were kind of introduced each other. That's part of the team so we all kind of knew each other and then from there. We've always been friends robin. Steve actually went to the same college together. Just in different ways kind of always just been each other's lives and then we just kind of had the ideas start building businesses together. I mean in high school. I guess we all just friends at that point but ended up talking about business. I guess like afterwards after college is out when that transition happened. Yeah i think we all kind of had the same mentality of we had to get good jobs and stuff like that and you know whatever that meant but when my is really i think i started opening to what i was seeing like. Who actually had you know the nice houses or the nice cars or whatever was when i was in college stephen. I actually work on a island during summer. Block island marinas or and we would just be tying these mega yachts coming in all the time and all these people that have these mega yachts. They own their own businesses. A lot of them were in construction or other related fields like that but some of them had restaurants. Some of them had other businesses like that. And it's kind of when it first started clicking that like if we want to have this type of stuff in our lives we really need to be the business owners instead of the employees but at the same time all the people were meeting where more in a physical service or physical good or something that required a lot of capital the start in so it seemed like it was going to be that much harder for us. So it's kind of why we focused on getting the jobs. I and i think it was always burning. Thought in the back of our minds. All right now. How do we make that transition to the next level. Like how do we start saving money to have that capital to start these businesses when we kind of stumbled upon e commerce where. You really don't need that much capital to start. There's really not that much barriers to entry when you're trying to sell your product so it was just perfect for us kind of get in there and start growing and building stuff. 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You'd find great business interviews or you know just like trying to figure out what to do in life and i guess it sounds like you're able to figure that out as you're trying to dock some of these things has it gives you that potential to like you see what people can have because maybe some people will never be go to one of those or these massive boats and it's like okay. Yeah i can do that too versus if you never saw. It realized that those people had their own businesses. I'm not saying you never would start your own business. But it probably even motivates you more. Yeah definitely i mean it was awesome. We met some really cool people. They're super friendly too. I mean there are just enjoying their lives. They're enjoying what they have what they've built what they've created and it's allowed them to have his lifestyle. I mean there were some guys that had a brewery they have their bow and they have literally their kegs bill into the boat where you can go up and serve your own beers in the back of the boat like stuff is awesome like these people are just loving everything they have and yeah. I mean lots of stories of like that and literally. We weren't on the job we were hanging out with these people just talking to them learning about them you know chasing their daughters around and stuff like that's a different story Yeah i mean it was a great environment to be around a lot of entrepreneurs a lot of business people and just kind of see the way they think about things and the way they act cool. Well thanks for the insight. So back to. Steve robin mike. Going to targets and walmarts. You made money. Did you just do this like one main time or like you said you may ten or twelve grand. I think but this is like one. Big hit was the time period that you made that money. It was over about three months. Okay the first big hit. I guess i think we ended up making like probably about fifteen hundred dollars on the first shopping spree that we went on. And that's where we got that internet router and that was really the proof of concept. I guess i mean we paid like twenty bucks for it up on amazon. Sold it for eighty. I think we ended up netting like we were like okay like we could do this at scale or volume than you know. This is actually not that bad. But the whole retail arbitrage thing can only scale to a certain point. Because you're completely relying on what you're able to buy inventory from on liquidation from other retailers from liquidation websites auctions or whatever it may be so we realized that we could only do this to a certain point right and so did you figure that point. Okay i don't know if i can keep doing this or i still see potential in ecommerce but we gotta figure the different way to get our own products. Yeah exactly we kind of had to start shifting our focus and figuring out how he could build something that was more scalable and this is just another comparison between building your own product in kind of selling other people's product is like if you're selling other people's products. You're not the only one that has that idea to go to walmart and buy that stuff. Other people are doing it so now you're competing against them on price. You're not winning. It's called the bible so like the ones who actually is selling the product on amazon. When you're competing with these other people versus you build your own brand. You know it's your brand. There's no one else selling it. There's no competition on your own listing. You're just competing with the other products that are out there on the platform and it just made sense as the next evolution. I mean it was small investment. We kind of just took with the money. We already had from the retail side and their retail arbitrage side to start building our own brand there. And i mean luckily again that just kinda hit for us. We were there at the right time early amazon. We consume a lot of content. We figured out exactly what we needed to do. And we started seeing success. They're pretty much right out. The star said that so you said you're content. Did you end up paying for class or read watching youtube videos. Like how were you able to figure this out. Yeah so thing. We took some courses. Listen to a lot of podcasts. A lot of interviews. That were out. There watched a lot of youtube videos. Just trying to figure out what other people were doing. So between that figuring out the process and then once we actually pleased that first inventory order. We were just focused so much on trying to be as successful learning as much as possible before the product actually arrived and we had to start selling it. Okay so you said the inventory order so this is the transition again at this point or y'all still at your jobs or no. Yeah we were still at our jobs at this point. Okay and so you basically placed an order. You're saying from china or got a product. Just walk us through that. Because that's a big difference from you being able to drive and go get the product which is like placing an order somewhere. Just tell us what the product wasn't how you did that. Yeah so the products started selling where actually an art supply product on amazon in the whole process for that takes time. Because it's not like oh it's also easier to look back and say that this is the way it works but when you're doing it for the first time you're sending a bunch of money off shore to someone in china that you have no idea is executed fulfill something or not. It's a little sketchy so it's definitely a risk there but yeah we had the art supply products we reached out to a bunch of different manufacturers in china through the alibaba platform ordered some samples for the type of product that we want to sell from there. Once we found the sample that we liked the best we develop our logo and our brand that we put on the product and the packaging. We place the order with them. Think we had to pay like seventy percent down and you pay the other thirty percent completed. So that's the big step. There is like when you put that seventy percent down. I mean you're committed like you're in it. And how much was seventy percent seventy percent. I think the first order was like five as seventy percent was like thirty thirty five hundred thirty six hundred and that's scary like you said because you're going overseas or at least the main thing seemed like it was smart of you to get samples so you're at least got something that would be a huge but this is still another major step is when you have too much money over to china. Yeah i mean. The samples costs a little bit of money. It's kind of test like whatever let's just do it. Let's see what it costs. Let's see what they look like. See how get. The quality is by that big first payment for the inventory order like crap like what am i doing. But then you realize there's companies that have been built on this over the past fifty years or whatever that are used to this so it's not like you're reinventing the wheel doing something different. It's just seems like a big risk for yourself because you know it's your money that you're investing because it's your money. That's what i've seen but like you're saying this like you can't get free and you realize that you're like okay. And it's still not that bad. I guess comparatively but again. What does your money that you had to put at risk. There's a little bit different than putting someone else's money at risk. Yeah exactly but it's it's fun. I really enjoyed doing. It was a learning experience. Luckily our manufacturer was great. Communication was pretty ed. The turnaround time was pretty good. I think it took about three weeks. Total to get the entire product manufactured and then another week or so ship to us and next thing we know we have. I think six big boxes of markers pretty much sitting in our living room that we had to start selling online from there. We sent it straight to amazon epa. The inventory was there at amazon and then it was just a matter of us to sell it and i think it was december two thousand fourteen and luckily for us when live time to be their first day product hits. We sold thirty units and we were like. Oh we stumbled onto something here. We figured out our process where it's what we were doing was working what we learned worked and from there we were just kinda hooked on it and at the same time you know. We kept growing that brand and started getting better and better sales from it so it was really awesome and so from there again. This is still your sears. So at what point did you make a transition from doing this. Amazon's imagined did you just start looking at other niches and keep ordering different products and making your own brand while you're doing the sears thing. We started a couple of other brands. They didn't as big as the art supply brand that we currently had bought while we were running. That art supply ran. We looked at the companies. Were competing against in. you know. we're competing against companies like crayola which is a multinational multibillion dollar company and we were selling as much as them or we are selling more than than and that is kind of. Say the aha moment where we were like. Oh we actually know what we're doing on this platform because we're doing a better job than most of these other companies out here. Well if we're doing a better job than most of these other companies. Maybe we can actually get these other companies to pay us to do this for them. And that's kind of where the idea came from it. You know i remember. We got our first client. I think there are selling snack. Food products or something on the amazon platform gots. Couple more clients. We got up to about five thousand dollars a month having you and from there we realized that this actually starting to gain momentum. If we kind of do this full time we can probably keep growing it faster and at that point we kind of quit our jobs. went into full time. We had not that much money coming in we had. Luckily we had some money saved up and we still had the books bringing us in some money. So you're like. I think we can at least makes work. You know five thousand dollars a month if you can get the ten thousand dollars a month and fifteen thousand dollars. A month is starting to look a little bit better. And yeah i mean that was just the start. Luckily now we do a couple of million dollars a year in retainer fees from our clients but there's just awesome. I guess even after you did amazon thing got your own brand at that point in time i mean. How long did it take a transition to say. Hey not only do. I wanna do my own products or maybe you didn't want to anymore but you wanted to devise bigger brands. How long did that take to figure that out. I think it really didn't take that long to me. I think in general. I think over the course of about six months. We went from having that aha moment starting the agency side and kind of like moonlighting doing the work for our clients after hours and then by the end of that six months. We were like all right. We've got enough revenue now where we can probably make this more successful if we focus on it fulltime and we were like again the same time too. It's like what's the worst case scenario. That happens like yeah. We quit our jobs. We go to try to own businesses. If it fails what do we do. Well we just go back and get other jobs and will go to interview. I- resumes that much better because we actually were showing we're entrepreneurs. We tried to start something so even if we started and failed we didn't really see that much of a downside to it and yeah i mean within six months. We went from a concept. That pretty much dealing it full-time yeah and i would say to one of the benefits. I'm sure you looked at it. Obviously it's like if you keep buying products from china. Yeah sounds like it worked at least the first few times. Maybe it just kept working but at least if you're advising people you're not putting your money at risk when you're getting your products from china. You're just helping these brands. Basically help them get onto e commerce because they weren't doing a good job of it. Yeah exactly i mean. The service side is a huge cash flow business for us. Obviously the products you still make cash from but you're holding a lot of inventory so there's some risk there so it was kind of a great combination of both because we had the upside from selling the products and the brands and actually building something that had reasonable value. We also had the cash flow to support ourselves from the service so those things together have been great for us. I mean we still sell their own brands. We're constantly launching new companies the new brands to keep selling online. Because it's just kind of something that we have going. I want to say the background but just continually going as well as we're growing the agency. We have all right so the three of y'all start doing this. I kind of understand like how you got to where you are today when you all quit your jobs. Did you all move in together because again. I know you were roommates with rob. Did steve come together. Putty gel do your own e commerce. Business than yeah. I mean we were lucky again. Like i said before we were trying to cut our costs. Minimize our risk. Make our savings last as long as possible to really give this business the opportunity to run and see what we could do right when we created jobs the lease on the apartment that robin i had expired so we were out of that. Luckily steve's parents had a beach house. My parents had a beach house. Mine was in rhode island was in connecticut so we kind of split time going back and forth between there so we weren't annoying anyone parents by being there too much. We had very supportive family in that sense like really allowed us to just kind of give it a shot and see what we can do then. After a few months we actually went to rob's family's beach house which was in south carolina in the myrtle beach area so we were keeping everything very cheap. We didn't have any rent expanse. We didn't have anything like that. Your inventory that we were ordering from asia was pretty much going to a warehouse in the us being pratt and then send right to amazon. So we didn't have to be in any one physical location and that concept kinda kept expanding traveled a little bit more. We're in florida whose beach house was in florida. We rented an airbnb in florida. So you gotta get deal on allen. Actually yeah i mean. Luckily we just had those advantages which really helped us. What was the work life for. Y'all dan i mean we're y'all just working a lot to or were you still. I mean you're at the beach which is nice. Obviously i mean. I think most people would like kind of died today. Sounds like you're doing what you're two best friends go into beach houses. Were y'all still working a lot or would you say you're just doing like forty hours a week or even less now work in a lot probably fifty sixty hours it really depended but we were taking too much any job. We could at that point because we were trying to maximize reputation get good reviews. I'm platforms like upwork. Make sure that we were looked like we knew what we were doing. And we were doing a lot of work for way less money than we probably should have been doing it. But that's just the way it was. I mean we just had to figure out how to get money in the door how to keep growing this and during that time constantly testing and figuring out how do we actually build a sales process and a lead generation process around this to keep getting clients and we focused a lot on the upward platform. Because i was really great for us and then one day we just got a big hit from it. We had multibillion dollar company while we had an agency that was working with a multibillion dollar company that sold the multibillion dollar company on amazon services but had no idea what to do on amazon. We were one of the top agency at that point on upward for amazon services. He reached out to us and from there. It was pretty much history. The business right. There gained all the traction we needed so the agency. Was it a pr agency. What type of agency sold that. They could help their e commerce in. I don't remember what exactly what they did. i think he did facebook ads or something but social media advertising. Yeah i mean. He sold them on the idea that yeah he could do ecommerce on amazon and he couldn't so luckily for us that existed right. Yeah well that's awesome. Because that's critical. I mean i don't even know that you had just rave y'all using one profile on upwork or something or y'all had your different profiles you're kind of just like freelancers if you will where people would hire you to do this. We each had our own profiles. But then there's like a way you can create like an agency you're all part of and so all of our reviews and all of that was going towards the agency scores and reviews i think and we just kept growing at there. We were like one ranked for amazon services or amazon advertising. Whatever it was and yet that's just how we maximize visibility to begin with. And now i mean we do things differently now. We don't rely on that. We focus a lot more on content marketing to grow our business but in the beginning that was the main source of where we were getting clients from. The i mean that makes perfect sense. That's awesome to hear about because those are the things that people wonder like. How do i get started to really you. Guys started with their own profiles on upward. Getting paid right and it was a great idea too. Because that way i mean i imagine even if i maybe be doing at hourly just to try to figure it out. But then he started doing her contract basis or whatever. But everyone's gotta start somewhere and it was a great idea. I guess like you said it led to you getting that big hit from a guy selling. You do ecommerce exactly. I mean it's just a lot of its lock a lot of its timing for us. That's a prime example of what it was. I mean even getting into the amazon space in general it was in timing We just got in there at the right time. Learn how to do it ourselves at the right time. We were lucky enough to have other people also needed to do this at the time and we were lucky enough to be at the top of upwork road ask whatever it was called but anyway the point is that i think the more that you prepare yourself the more you ready to take on something the more luck that you're gonna have and that's kinda the way that we grew. Initially i mean now i think we have a lot more processes or not relying on luck all the time but i mean there's still definitely instances of that happening within the business. You get more at bats basically if you have the opportunity to do stuff like this but if you felt like working ten hours a week with your friends right you had wales opportunities so just say even that first year. How much did y'all end up making doing this yourselves. Well that first year was like half of our salaries so we still made a good amount of money to support ourselves and then the second half of the year i think we ended up making a fifteen twenty thousand so there wasn't a lot of money it wasn't crazy. Yeah between three. You're right yeah. It wasn't a lot of money but we saw their extraction there and that you know we could grow it year too. Well the first full year we were able to really start that and we're still doing a lot of the work ourselves the first full year we kick close to two hundred thousand in profit overall so we went from making not that much money to making okay money and we were like all right now. Let's keep pushing this. And yeah i mean we've just been scaling it ever since. Yeah so the first full year was twenty seventeen. The first full year was two thousand seventeen. Yeah okay so it's still not even that long ago. You know to be honest like if you think about it. I mean that's pretty awesome in. Were just taking contracts on. Owed esker upwork at that point in time. And then you're still in the us or you'll still jumping around beach to beach while i'm in mexico you know. They're in mexico as well one or now but how about in two thousand seventeen twenty seventeen. Yeah no that's the first time we moved to. Mexico was twenty seventeen. Yeah we lived at the beach for while the beach imply for four months. And then i went and travelled in europe. Which is something. I wish i could still do now. And then i came alarm and my girlfriend and i. I pretty much stayed here since they've been bouncing around between imply in some other reaches more than i have. So what part of two thousand seventeen did y'all move down to mexico well tactically. It was new year's day twenty. Sixteen that we moved down. There are no sorry new year's eve two thousand sixteen. We moved down there and then we were there for twenty seventeen. Our first day in mexico was offers night in mexico. as new year's eve twenty sixteen and dow was awesome because we just partying and having fun. And i don't know it just. It's a funny story looking back and like what we went through and what we got to enjoy got to experience but gradually grateful for it. Because if we hadn't gone down this route. I don't think we would be living the lifestyle that we are. Yeah okay so yeah. That's pretty awesome so ever since you've been doing the ecommerce stuff you've been basically the beach guy. Hawks i guess in a way i mean. Now i'm a city guy unfortunately you're still more climates. I guess you've been making your way further. I guess away from sanford connecticut. Oh yeah way. Far away from there. I don't plan on go back to visit my family. But i don't see myself living in connecticut again. Okay and twenty seventeen yard. Mexico fiscally traveled a little bit. But that's basically where y'all were the three of you yeah. It was probably half the year in europe half the year in mexico for me. They were in mexico for about half of the year in europe for about a quarter of the year and then they went back to the us for about a quarter of the year. So did you ever get any major like fights over this part like this part of the timeline. No everything actually worked pretty well. It was pretty smooth. You know the great thing about having our partners you kind of mentioned what they were doing. One had sales experience prior to starting this had project management experience in my background was in finance and more strategy stuff like that so we kind of all complemented ourselves your each other. Well you know the project manager was making sure everything was getting done on time. The sales guy was going out there and getting new clients high was coming up with the strategies for our clients and for our business overall to grow. And you'll learning about marketing and all this other stuff so no. We complement each other very well. We really didn't get in many fights during that time. You know there's still always going to be disagreements and things that we don't agree on. But i think that's just part of business not like we were really angry at each other. Personally it's just there's an issue with the business there's obviously going to be different perspectives on how to solve that problem and so did you start virtual since that first full year two or still just a three. Y'all doing work before you start doing all. These hires the first full year. Who still doing the work. So we're all working the second full year. The first half of the full year is when we were hiring a lot. More virtual systems to get stuff done for us and then the third year which would have been the second half of that second year two thousand eighteen. The second twenty this is two thousand eighteen. Yeah we started hiring a police here in mexico so we actually got our office and started bringing people onto our team here. That's really when we started growing okay and as you're making this condition. Were you ever worried or it. Seems like things kept going positively. Did you have any hiccups. No not so much i mean. I think there's always going to be climbing charon when you're inclined services it's just the nature of the beast. People are only going to stay with you for so long until they try something else or they wanna see if they can get better results with someone else. That's what my wife said understand. Well i guess it's a little different. But but yeah i mean that's kind of how it works and no. We didn't have any major hiccups. I think the biggest hiccup we've had as a business is really been like the pandemic starting. We had a lot of churn. They're just because people were freaked out by the same time like e commerce has grown year over year over year over year amazon is leading that. So we're kind of position very well to keep going with it and that's just support us pretty much all the way and so twenty eighteen. Twenty nineteen twenty twenty. And then i guess it just went in growth. As far as the employee count to the first year we had about four here in mexico. That was the end of twenty eighteen. Twenty nineteen we had about six more employees so we got up to about ten. They're twenty twenty. Obviously things were a little crazy things a little sideways. We got up to about fourteen and then this year so far we've already hired six employees here in mexico. So that's how we're up to twenty employees now and on the us side. We were continuing to bring people on but they were more independent contractors per se than a real employee. And we're those people are like doing like pictures and stuff like that for you. What would you hire in the us for versus like why not hire them in mexico. Yeah so this was definitely some of the areas that we made a mistake in the business was that we are hiring people in the us. That's a mistake. That was a mistake now. Did you the client facing stuff okay. Because they had more experience on the amazon side. I mean the reality is that e commerce isn't as big in other countries as it is in the us so when it came to that we have relied on that and then alternatively here in mexico we relied a lot on the you know graphic design content writing business operations things like that. But now we've kind of reversed that we're actually hiring client facing people down here and less people in the us client facing stuff. So that's really where we started to see a lot. More of our growth is when we actually started bringing everyone in in house down here and having way more control over everything. So what do you mean by client facing. What's the so if we think about it. The way the business runs is that were partners in a way with our clients. So we're trying to figure out the best marketing strategies the ways to help them get the most sales on the platform. And that's a conversation. It's not like we're going to do this. One thing in our concern at the beginning we had two concerns really was that we had concerns about the quality of the english. Speaking that we could find here which was completely dispelled. We've found people that are pretty much native english speakers here and the other concern that we had was just business owners more or less being racist against these people so we kind of win the us client facing side at the account management side initially and once. We started finding people down here that were almost native english. We were like. Are we paying so much for the people in the us when we can just hire down here for a much lower cost and that's really when we started accelerating growth a lot more and really starting to bring in more revenue so the client facing people were they actually going in person to meet people. Twenty nineteen the usa people. Now we've never actually. I think we've only met like two or three clients in person. All of our sales says we pretty much started have been online. Everything's been virtual. We use a lot of video call services just interface and talk with our clients because the reality is we already knew that if we're working in e-commerce world. There's no reason for us to be onsite. There's no reason for us to really have physical location anywhere where people have to be from and because at the same time we're able to be virtual tap into a much broader talent pool than just being in any one location when their client focused. What was the name for it when you client facing client. Sorry so there's client facing people in the us they're doing video calls with those types of people like your they were in so that you just wanted more of a usa looking person versus like mexican. Doing the video calls out with your thought process. That you're like scared that they might be like okay there in mexico. I don't know it was more than we. Were scared of the reaction that the clients would write. It wasn't so much that we didn't trust. The people earned believe that we could get good people. It was just more that we thought clients. We're gonna react to it yet. I feel a hundred percent because like employee filipinos. I know exactly what you're saying. And i think anyone listening you like like. If i had a client facing person in their filipino versus like an american they might just be judgment or ended. And then you're like okay. Maybe they don't they can do as good a job when really. Obviously that's not the case. So so you're able to get over that pretty quick after like what made you make that transition. Did you just try out someone in mexico. And you're like hey they do just as good of a job. Yeah actually. that's the way it works. Well we had two things that were going on one. Was that the problem with having all these people in the us as independent contractors we essentially didn't have good control over what the final product was. They all had different levels of experience with amazon. So certain clients. We're seeing more success than others or the communication skills of psalm where the same as others and the clients were more frustrated with that and another thing is that there just weren't that many people knew what they were doing on amazon to begin with so it really didn't matter whether they were us or mexico or any other country because we were going to have to train them no matter what so they actually knew what they were doing on amazon so we gave our first chance to twenty nineteen to our first client facing employees. Here what was his name. Ramiro ramiro which is like a very you know. That's not an english name like and you said romero. This is all new bro more lasts. I mean we were there. Supporting the amount of training we gave them. Compared to the amount of training we have now was nothing we literally joked about it. 'em all the time like thank god. You're smart as thorough as you are. 'cause i don't think a lot of other people would have done as well as you did with our supporting you. He was a very smart. Did he grew up traveling all over the world because of his dad's job you spent a lot of time in the us but he was born in mexico with the university in the uk. His english was literally like perfect. Sounds like me. I mean it still is perfect but sounds like you and me and he had a background in engineering so it was perfect for us because we had someone that was interested in how things worked was interested in learning and communicate clearly and that was like was a home. Run for us. Now is the first one that we tried and then from there we realized that what the opportunity was and we kept scaling like that because we are finding more and more people that can communicate well or had you know very good command of english or had ecommerce or marketing experience that we then give them the amazon experience and really help them to be good client facing managers for our clients so yeah worked. Perfect number actually guided that. Us stopping services students were having when my business in the states so leaked in the people customers out. So it's been fantastic like that kind of naff. Rookie draft decided to increase my subscription to gain access to your pastor patriots content. Sudden some of your outburts paying forward mean a few two bombers doing mass stale so i decided will be a good investment to get access. Stuffing's join the group calls. Paycheck numbers got access to the fat content. It seems like it makes sense. Like if i were in your shoes. I'd probably do the same thing and i think a lot of people would because again. You didn't want to do that right in the beginning because you don't know how it would work but it's like hey try it out with ramiro and then if that works you know you probably tried a couple other times just to make sure it wasn't just him if it didn't work out or did but then you're like okay mic total sense. I'm gonna just keep hiring mexicans to you. This is i did. They're doing everything else. Why can't they do this. That's exactly what happened. I mean he was the guinea pig. I tell him all the time he he was gonna pick then. We hired another one. Twenty twenty worked as well and then you know since about this past fall until now we've just been really scaling up with a team down here. Oh yeah i guess thank you for taking us along the time line i mean. Is there anything else. I left out or anything else. You think people should know about your story you know. I think we covered a lot of the as a business. It's exciting to see something that you kind of take from an idea and make it successful and just keep it growing and you know the different ways that you kind of reinvent yourself. Reinvent your business to adapt what's going on you know it's been one heck of a journey. I know i have a lot more things that are going to be learning and a lot more changes that i'm gonna need to make to make this business. Keep going and it's just fun to keep learning keep seeing what opportunities are like hiring in mexico like who who would've known that would have been a great idea until he actually tried it so keep testing keep trying new things. Then you'll usually figure out what works best for your business. And what are you worried about. Most for the future of your business here. I'm really not that worried. Because i know that is is only going to continue to grow. We may see. I think we'll probably see a little hole back at some point if the economy really turns around but i mean that's probably going to be short term pain we're gonna feel and i think it'll probably come back after that the the biggest thing that i'm worried about from a business standpoint is just really the competitors that are getting into the space. I mean we're well known and what we're doing but there are a lot of big agencies out there that are pouring a lotta money into the amazon side right now to really bring their knowledge up to base whether it's acquiring other companies or whether it's building it out in house you know it's just part of the beasts like the profile of our competitors keep growing. We're no longer working against. He'll one person operations where we're working against multi-billion-dollar agencies so it's cool thing it's a challenge but it's just part of growing what's a feature of like ecommerce other than on amazon. Walmart has an ecommerce center website. I don't even know what you call it. What do you call their platform. I guess the walmart platform. Yeah we call it the walmart platform figure it out but do you see anything else other than amazon. Because i think we all see amazon growing. But i'm just wondering based on your knowledge. Obviously what you see the future of ecommerce where it's going. It's hard to say. I think when it comes to the idea of traditional retailers i think walmart is probably the biggest competitor in the ecommerce space to amazon and i mean there are a lot of things that could come into effect amazon. Obviously regulation being one of them because they are getting a lot of attention from regulators around the world. But i think another company that has a lot of potential is facebook and instagram. I think they have a good idea when it comes to social selling and actually getting the product in front of customers where they're spending a lot of time already on their platform so i think if they can figure out a way to make customers trust the purchase experience more through their platforms. I think they can continue to grow a lot as well awesome. Well thanks for coming on. I guess if anyone wanted to get in touch with you about how you can help their brand what would be the best way for them to reach out and say. Hey michael come out. Thank you for having me here. And i really appreciate it. The best way to get in touch is just emailing me directly. Mike at ames advisors dot com. I'm there to answer any questions. You have about e commerce about hiring in mexico about building a business entrepreneurship. Whatever it may be. But if you're specifically looking for help on the amazon platform you email me or check out our website. Ainsi advisors dot com. Yeah i guess this might since thinking about the future like even if are more and more players getting into amazon space per se. Dude i bet you could make another business of helping people get mickens to work for them right. Because that's a whole different niche. As far as china know you've been down there you know their culture you even almost married into a race close but i think that's interesting that you know people could be scared to hire virtual assistance in different countries. But mexico's so close. I think just people in their minds. Psychologically like like okay. They're only country right below america. Right you united states. So maybe that's something that you can look to in the future as far as if people needed help since you brought that up. It's funny you actually say that. Because i do have a project going on right now so you may be hearing more about that soon. I've been scanning your desktop. Seen what you've been looking at so don't worry. Thanks again. Mike for coming on and i appreciate you sharing your story. Thank you austin. I appreciate it and i just hope that everyone got something out of it. Flash forward to two thousand nine. And i'm back in the golf business as a club pro and i get a message on my my space page from a fourteen year old kid in mexico claiming that i was his father you know he says 'i impregnated his mom in the champagne room at a club and cozumel on new year's eve and nineteen ninety eight and i immediately called bullshit because i remember that night vividly and there were at least five other guys with me that were also prime candidates so i have to go down there as part of a paternity hearing and the night before the test so if you want to hear more interesting stories just like this preview will become patron member today. You know you're missing out. 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Introducing: Real Narcos Season 2 - Flix Gallardo

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Introducing: Real Narcos Season 2 - Flix Gallardo

"February seventh nineteen eighty five one thirty pm and ricky camarena of the. Us drug enforcement administration sits at his desk in the american consulate in guadalajara mexico. Kiki as he's known has been out here for three years but he and his young family are about to be rotated out of mexico. Their bags are all packed. For san diego. Kiki picks up the phone calls his wife out. He's been working a lot lately and has seen much of her order. Three sons out one last lunch visit to their favorite restaurant make it takes a seat at table set for two. The smell of chinese food wafts out from the kitchen. She seen the menu plenty times before it stays on opened on the table. Her husband should be joining shortly. Kiki steps out the doors of the american consulate building. He walks down the street in the mid day sun towards his car. It's park just up ahead. He rummages in his pockets for his keys across the street. A group of men. Their conversation sounds frantic. One of them points straight at geeky. The men crossed the street. They look a bit like mexican police. They come right up to aging camarena. One of them stares him in. The eye drops his gaze downwards. The man is pointing a pistol at kiki to keep it. Concealed from the members of the public passing by. Kiki has no option but to get in their vehicle. It's the first time in. Us history that a da agent has been abducted on foreign soil in many ways. This is the defining moment of the war on drugs. Risk is always there for dea agents in the field but druglords tend to stop short of actually enacting violence against american citizens. It's one thing to threaten to ea agents. It's another thing entirely to carry out that threat. There's only one man in mexico who could have pulled off such a brazen act someone. The da had been tracking for nine years. Noise presents. real. Narcos the podcast series. That takes you to the front line with special agents and law enforcement pursuing the world's most dangerous cargo criminals in this episode will delve deep into the kiki camarena story will follow the drug enforcement administration to mexico on the hunt for a drug trafficker who sits above all others. Is it deadly spider. At the center of a web of corruption man intertwined with the upper echelons of the mexican establishment with unprecedented status and influence. He breaks the rules and unspeakable ways. Getting away with it again and again. These guys are the real deal and this is real narcos a too. He had a lot of very high ranking berry. Important politicians government officials that he paid for protection at the same time the entire guadalajara. Police department was on his payroll so they protected them is drugs of destroying millions of mexican american lives but he still well protected bringing him. Down is virtually impossible until he steps so far over the line he feels the full force of the us government. Basically you know they were all going to flee because they knew that the full weight of the us government was going to be brought. The beer drugs are menacing our society. They're threatening our values and undercutting our institutions. They're killing our children. We've taken strong steps to do something about this. Horror thirty. Seven federal agencies are working together in a vigorous national effort. And by next year our spending for drug law enforcement will have more than tripled from its nineteen eighty-one levels last year alone over ten thousand drug criminals were convicted and nearly two hundred and fifty million dollars of their assets were seized by the da. The drug enforcement administration you rules is empire by any means necessary and is responsible for singularly brutal act of violence against the us agent in the field. There were signs of torch. There were broken bones and there was a hole in his skull. That cannot have been made by a bullet. You're hearing a man being tortured being murdered. And you're hearing him beg for his life and one point he says on the tape so i have my children. Dahmer remain knees begging for mercy and he wasn't afforded any mercy. This arch puppetmaster looming over the drugs. Trade is known as the mexican godfather. His real name is miguel felix. Gherardo understand the abduction of da and key camerena. You have to understand what's going on in mexico in the mid nineteen eighties. Why are american agents like camerena there in the first place by nineteen eighty-four. The cocaine trade has reached its peak. Tons upon tons of high purity coke are smuggled into the usa. Eight million americans are hooked on the white powder from south america. A third of all sides drug related. This is a war. america cannot afford to lose the. us government has thrown its resources into battling the colombian drug cartels responsible for originating the flood of cocaine the drug enforcement administration the da dispatched agents to the front line to join colombian police and military. The colombian cartels have been hit hard. The demand for coke is unabated into this void stepped new adversaries much closer to home just across the border in fact the mexican cartels by the mid nineteen eighties almost the entire flow of drugs through mexico into the united states is controlled by one. Man is full head of dark hairs pushed off. His face is pale. Skin raised cheekbones and deep brown eyes. Give him a haunting slightly got look. He's just thirty nine years old. A former police officer goes by the moniker of el padrino. The godfather this is gail felix. Gerardo elaine shannon is an investigative journalist and author. She's a renowned expert on the narcotics trade. There were violent criminals. This was the mafia a controlled certainly lease go state. They controlled states all along going up to the border and made inroads into mexico city to the top of the mexican federal judicial police would be like controlling the fbi in the united states when you have the mafia controlling the fbi. You've got a problem. Da agent mike hill is part of the task force whose job it is to stem the tide of cocaine marijuana entering america the center of the universe for vehicle and his colleagues used to be columbia but by the mid eighties. Their attention is being drawn to mexico. Times have changed. The drug trade is evolving spending over a decade in mexico via will later. Become one of the da's most decorated and senior agents. The head of dea international operations no less in felix he sees a vicious enemy mcgann. Failing sky jarido was an individual that would take lives without any provocation and without his associates. Knowing about it you had sohn's his associates killed. He had family members killed when vani sky hard though wise the head of the while hata cartel he controlled drug trafficking throughout mexico and it was not a lot of cartels at that point in time he was the couple that duty cop or the boss of all bosses and he controlled all of the routes along the two thousand mile. Us mexico border. You know he was the undisputed head up drug trafficking in mexico. He had no other competition and he decided what happened. What went on and later. He subdivided mexico and cave authority to other individuals inviting the territory so to speak. This is the situation. In nineteen eighty-four everything goes through felix guy yard l. by drina now. But how did he rise to this point to become the master of the mexican drugs trae support for this podcast comes from paypal. Small business owners. Turn your smartphone into a cash register pay pal. Qr codes the safe and easy way to get paid in store and they deliver the same security and trust pay pal is known for online in person. Even if you're a cash only business with pay pal. Qr codes you can accept credit or debit with everyday low fees. there's no additional hardware or software needed generate your unique. Qr code from the pay pal app and display on your device or print it to display in store customer. Scan your code with their pay pal app. You only need your smartphone. Learn more at paypal dot com slash. Us slash get qr code. Let's take a little trip back. In time to the nineteen forties the young felix gherardo grows up on a ranch sinoloa estate in north western mexico throughout the nineteen forties and fifties while. He's a kid family or poor but he's big ambitions. He studies business in college and becomes the state police officer in his early twenties. But he won't stay on. This side of the law for long. Corruption is everywhere throughout the sinoloa and police force is just a fact of life one of the things that you have to understand in mexico. Is that the state and local. Police departments are rife with corruption. The corruption there is endemic the mexican military nor the mexican federal police will work was state and local police departments because they're bought and paid for by the drug traffickers now they report to the governors of the respective states. But make no mistake about it. They are corrupt so you can't give them any information. You can't work with them. And in this case it really highlighted the fact that they were there to support drug traffickers and not to carry out their responsibilities as law enforcement officials smart ambitious and ruthless gerardo quickly climbs the ladder of power and corruption before long. He's bodyguard to the governor of the state of sinoloa. The abo- those sanchez sally's. He became a state judicial police officer and eventually became the bodyguard to the governor of the state of seeing alot at that time leopoldo sanchez sally's and it was through this governor that he started to meet a lot of very high ranking politicians and officials from mexico that would help protect him and give him guidance in terms of his drug trafficking activities felix guy injuries in satisfied with being just another guy in the payroll each hungry for more more power more money. A lot of mexican cops feel the same way so they might take a few bribes. Turn a blind eye once in awhile but guy ardoz aspirations go well beyond being someone else's stooge he's been observing the drugs trade from one side of the line now he wants to cross over and become a player. In the trade himself traditionally mexican drug lords grew marijuana and smuggled it over the border into the united states go. Cain was the domain of the colombian drug barons. They smuggled their product by air and sea through the caribbean over time. The us navy and coast started getting their act together. It got harder to smuggle on planes and boats into florida so attention switched to the land and to get drugs to america from columbia. You can't avoid mexico. Gerardo gets his break by using established marijuana and heroin smuggling lines into the us to transport colombian cocaine. he's not content with being a middleman a smuggler. He wants to be a full-scale dealer himself. So he insists that the colombians pay him both cash and cocaine when they started moving through mexico. The mexicans who are very good at organized crime themselves said well. Okay you can pass through our country but you're gonna pay you're gonna pay us and cocaine as well as money. Takes a fat slice from each shipment of cocaine from columbia a full fifty percent sell on himself. They said well. We're gonna control this trade ourselves and we will use the colombians as suppliers but we will control the markup in any retail market is where the prophet is better than just growing the raw material by the mid. Seventy s guy. Who doing okay for himself. More than okay is a mid sized. He's turning over millions of dollars every year. He's made enough to live comfortably for the rest of his life if he left the game now chances are the authorities leave him alone. But that's not the way guy otas season. Why stop when you could become the biggest drug in mexico. Does operation grows so does his cashflow more cash means more visibility in these laundries income that means setting up legitimate businesses to cover his tracks. It's a genius way of turning drug money into investment in the mexican economy mike vehicle and his colleagues the. Da recognized the skill of this move. He was a psychopathic killer but he was very cunning. He was a very good businessman. He sat on the board of directors of banks. He owned hotels. He owned ranches and he was spending in excess of fifty million dollars a year in terms of pain political bribes because no drug trafficking organization is going to be able to survive without corrupt officials providing protection and support to those entities bribes money laundering the two ways to get the higher ups in the mexican government to turn a blind eye to your illicit activities. But sometimes money isn't enough sometimes. The tactical move is the brutal move and geico is not afraid to annihilate his rivals. Everything was calculated you know he was not an individual that was as going to conduct wholesale violence. He did it. Very surgically because very much like the italian organized crime figures out of the united states. He knew dad. Wholesale violence would be bad for business but he was not of bob taking lives when he had to. It won't be long before gherardo has one thousand assassins on his books in mexico and the us he's got a firm hand on trafficking and distribution is hitman have authorization to eliminate anyone who doesn't pay up or who tries to muscle in on his business front trafficking is a huge story because it's huge money. A lot of americans particularly in the seventies and eighties didn't think of it as major organized crime they thought of as a vice party drugs refers joints. It was all funny but it wasn't funny when he started adding up the hundreds of millions of dollars and then the billions. That were going into the coffers. Very bad people murdering these were people who killed whole families. These people who trapped up their enemies and put the parts and bags and left them places. These were people who tortured and these ultimately were people who financed militant groups the city of guadalajara. In the mexican state of alaska. It's known as the pearl of the west. The sound of mariachi bands rings through the streets. The local specialty of ghosts do wafts through the air temperate climate leading university renowned arts scene on the surface. This picture postcard mexico but underneath this veneer. The cogs are worrying in the country's biggest drug distribution operation because guadalajara is gay or yards. Hq dan in washington. Valez is an award winning journalist and author from texas. She's an expert on the mexican cartels and cross-border drugs trade has been a beautiful city and bustling but all kinds of touristy economic activity. It also became a home base of mexico's major drug traffickers. At the time the godfathers of drug trafficking back then it was like the new generation of the mexican drug trafficker that had begun to expand the business venture beyond the mexican borders and dr beyond the orders of north americans. Well the drug traffickers at that time were amassing a vast fortune money and looking for ways to to invested to protect their assets and to set up structures to be able to continue the drug operation. Even if one of them was taken out Fell ill died. Kill off whenever dirty money flows from guy otas wallet illegitimate businesses all over guadalajara. Now even if his drug businesses were to collapse gerardo has a safety net. He's the power behind banks and real estate. Soon felix coyotes enterprises are making close to five billion dollars. A year the wealthier drug trafficker gets the bigger the target on their back. The lesson from the colombian cartels is that cooperation is better than competition. The everest gherardo joins forces with two other mexican kingpins deform guadalajara cartel. The first of these business partners is thirty. Two year old rafael. Caro quintero is fond of open. Next shirts is face is permanently composed in a frown. He has an outstanding handlebar moustache. Above sits bushy mob of dark hair. Tara is put in charge of the cartels marijuana plantations file catechin. Theo again came from seen alot on a. He was a thug and he's started to work with a lot of his uncles. That were in the drug trade. His drug of choice in terms of distribution was marijuana. He had very significant cultivations throughout mexico. He was able to build artesian wells out in the middle of the desert so that could eradicate his marijuana fields but he was a ranking member of the weather ladda cartel as well along with our nestled on seca cutter you and began barely sky yard though he was very cold blooded and what made him a liability to the cortel was the fact that he was a co caddick. The one who is probably the most public was certified cocaine who's very flamboyant for flash. She the other to stay in the background. Preferred to stay that way down. Liftoff homes modestly by cartel standards but Karki federal with a tough talking guy ren to use guns and bring in his security guards to her encounters with along forcement alongside caro quintero and feel sciutto. The other partner in the guadalajara cartel is fifty four year. Old or nesto seca on sake. It takes care of heroin cultivation and transportation. The third member was earnest on secca and his nickname was done. Netto which means sergei good price that means bargain guy. He's like these guys used to see on television. Who would be shouting about their bargain rugs or their bargain cars except he was the bargain. Doper he was something. The clown he'd like the good life he was flashy flamboyant he's a redneck. Basically i'm from hr. So i think of these guys. The way i think of some of the hillbillies back home news were completely unlettered guys but very cunning and not to be crossed right from their inception. The guadalajara cartel is a powerful force in latin america. So powerful that. The rumors swirled that the cia approaches them with a request for help at this time. A central american country of nicaragua is ruled by the socialist sandinista government. This doesn't fit the. Us government's plans for the region. So they find anti-communist rebels beginning weapons into the hands of guerrilla fighters in the nicaraguan jungle requires local allies. Enter felix gerardo. If you believe the rumors negotiations for an interesting character because he is in some intelligence reports tied to the cia during the iran contra period. He is the one that some mexican sources steak developed a liaison with the cia in order to do his part to support the contras during the war nicaragua and so the drumcree became a vehicle to raise money to buy weapons to arm. The contrast the cia was interested in sure that the congress had the resources in order to be successful in the drug trade was used as a conduit to provide that this became a scandal in the united states but he is the person in that cartel that is most closely allied with those efforts shafi cottam king federal allegedly operated a ranch in eastern mexico. That was used by. The contrast is a training ground but another unusual tie in with government operatives for a government operation in another country the in assisted of supported by the drug trade in mexico. We'll probably never know whether these rumors are the cia collusion. A true whatever the case may be with the cia. The da is about to get in league with gherardo anytime soon. They're hell bent on bringing him down along with his cross border trafficking network as garros cartel rakes in tens of millions of dollars per year the e. assign a fresh wave of agents to mexico in a bid to turn the tide of the drug war among them. A young narcotics agent who arrives to work in guadalajara in nineteen eighty. One is name enrica camarena known as kiki kiki camarena was born in mexico. But is a proud. American citizen moved to the us as a child growing up. In the border town of calexico california gets his college degree in criminal justice. Enjoins the us marines with his military background. He's an ideal candidate for the. Da nineteen seventy four becomes a special agent. Kiki camarena had been an american marine. He then joined. Da this is a common pattern. Da in the marines are pretty similar institutions in many respects. They have relatively low budgets. Compared to the other services law enforcement agencies they are driven by passion and individual. Know how they take care of their comrades the very aggressive and they don't take no for an answer kiki arrives in guadalajara keen to hit the ground running. The marines are used to going in hard and getting the job done but it won't be so easy to make an impact in mexico the. Da are reliant on the cooperation of their mexican hosts. Kiki soon learns that. This job is about constantly navigating the web of corruption. It's damn difficult to get stuff done. But kiki still makes a strong impression on the boss. Spearheading the team in guadalajara. Agent in charge. James kirk kindle. I met when i first went to a heard of him before. But i had never met him. I got there in february of nineteen eighty. Two and kiki was already there. He'd been there about two years. Keep was about ten years younger than i am would have been a quiet person who was very to his job but he was a good husband and father. Sense of humor is a good guy to work with. We were three to five people most of the time and when they transferred out well that left him and i just being the two that were the longest became closer and he liked to work. And i like to work. So i wouldn't say inseparable but we were very store. Dna kirk aandahl is widely southerner who commands the respect of his agents. Inexperienced man in the field originally from laredo texas. He began his law enforcement career as a border patrol agent. But he's a da man through and through when the organization was created in one thousand. Nine hundred seventy three. He became one of its first agents in guadalajara. He's immediately impressed by the dedication and intelligence of young. Kiki camarena lead agent in the office. He was one of the agents in the office. The agents were free to do anything they wanted to. They had a lot of autonomy so kiki because he was a little more enterprising a little more interested and was more successful and stayed there a little longer. He became better know he just seemed to stand out a little bit more. I think a doubt that is visibility. Probably you created the interest of the drug trafficking groups in kiki for they know it. The weeks and months have flown by. And it's nineteen eighty-five now kiki's time in. Mexico is drawing to a close. He's been here for three years in truth despite his best efforts. He's not all that much to show for it. If you bus here and there some pretty significant ones age. Mike via worked with kiki in mexico for a time they crossed paths over the years and knew each other well as well as colleagues they were friends agent via remembers one rate in particular that he and kiki conducted together we conducted a raid on a very isolated ranch and kabore casanova in northern part of mexico. The ranch was actually owned by rafael. Caro in darrow. And we use the mexican army. You know the mexican army. Then have a truck to take the soldiers. And so i went to a farmer and actually got a cow. Truck rented a cattle truck for seventy dollars washed it out but the mexican soldiers in their droves to the ranch and as we approach the ranch there were several individuals that were providing security using a. k. forty-sevens so we came under fire scattered and one of them decided to shoot it out with us and he was brought down by a fuse. A lot of bullets and we found about twenty cons since amelia marijuana that was contained in a boxes in the barn belonging to that ranch. It's a job. Well done. But honestly kiki in da colleagues are no closer to pinning down the shady kingpins behind the tidal wave of drugs crashing into the southern united states. Except this one piece of intel. It could be huge. It's potentially too big. Who knows what dark forces in the mexican government might be awoken where this information to go public. The americans rely on the goodwill from their mexican hosts and they don't wanna make them look bad. Kiki can remember seeing it for the first time and inform. It gave him a heads up posing as a marijuana buyer. Kiki traveled into the countryside of zakat. Take his day. Then he side stretching out in front of him as far as the eye could see field after field of lush green marijuana plants. A we'd plantation of over one thousand acres largest in history. This farm alone supplies about one third of the total. Us market street value. Two and a half billion dollars. Camarena takes to his boss. James kirk kindle the agent in charge sanctions in aerial reconnaissance mission camarena and kurkin dolls stride across the airfield runway towards awaiting light aircraft. Propellers already spinning greeted by the pilot. Alfredo zavala plane cruises just below the cloud line kurkin doll is on the lookout for any telling signs and the landscape anything that indicates marijuana planning then he sees it he obtained an aircraft and the two of us flew up there with him and we flew around and found most of these fails. It didn't make any sense that they would be anything else. Out there in the desert in the wales near them and in some cases the electric wires went right by the villages and didn't furnish electric village. It would furnish the pont so our our information was verified as us agents on foreign soil. The da has no authority to make arrests in mexico. All agents on the ground can do is pass intelligence onto their mexican counterparts and hope for the best. This particular tip off is too big for the mexican authorities to ignore a few weeks later. Four hundred and fifty mexican national police supported by d. e. a. agents descend on the wheat farm. Some of the plantation guards. Stay defied most turn and run a few hours later. The entire crop has been burnt to the ground. Kiki can leave mexico with his head held high. This is the bust of a lifetime. It's a major triumph for the da. But he's upset a lot of important people gerardo in his cronies are bang for blood. Someone will be made to pay file. Caro quintero is the cartels head of marijuana is up in flames. His responsibility quintero was furious. He lashes out in a hot out. There were two writers were there to do research and kalki data thought. They were intelligence operatives and he had them of the didn't allegedly reported murdered and also did that with two jehovah's witnesses. So we're going door to door. Perot is going on. I think in the mind of phone drummer karaoke. Thera- was to reduce threats to himself while under the influence of drugs seems not to be a drive user. And so that certainly cloud his judgment coke crazed in paranoid quinteros first-strike is way wide of the mark. Innocent lives are the victims of his. Anger is second. Strike will be much more accurate or the drug lord plots is next move. There's a homecoming plan for kiki camarena. Two months after the momentous marijuana bust kiki's due to meet his wife meet at a local restaurant he never arrives. I remember very vividly that his partner and boss kirk kindle head told him. it's time to go. kiki where way out front and there's nobody behind us. And so he put in for a transfer he was gonna go back to the states where he felt like he could do something felt paralyzed in mexico because he couldn't get any of the cops to do anything the next morning agent. James kirk is woken by a call. I got a phone call about six o'clock in the morning from another agent in the office that was a really close kiki's from the past guy named shaggy andjenny had received a phone call from ms camarena from his wife telling him that geeky had not come home and before she expected him to arrive late but in actor he arrived at all so she was worried and she called shaggy and he called me and between the two of us. We knew something had to be wrong. If kiki had stayed out all night he would have been with us. We would have known him he was going to be staying out all night. He was not a womanizer. So i mean definitely concerned as shaggy then. His wife and deke house to comfort mrs colorado and i went to the office in the consulate to see what i could find there when i arrived at the consulate across the street was key. He's fisher vehicle. It was star star tori. It had been parked the night before the lifetime i had seen. It had not moved. The door was unlocked. And i went up to the consulate into our officers and into his office and everything looked pretty much the way i had seen it the day before so began to make phone calls called in the other officers other agents in the secretaries everyone came to the office of everyone begin to look for it begin to try to find some trace of him that would have been the morning of the of murray i think then they started running around calling people to see if anybody had seen kiki and pretty soon they decided nobody had and he was gone and something bad was happening in the next episode of real narcos. The search for kiki camarena continues on the runway guadalajara airport in the shadow of a luxury. Private jet agents are caught in a mexican standoff with godfather's right hand man and farmer in the remote mexican countryside exit gruesome discovery. Real narcos is a noisier podcast and world meteorites co-production hosted by me john. 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 The death truck: how a solution to Mexicos morgue crisis created a new horror  podcast

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The death truck: how a solution to Mexicos morgue crisis created a new horror podcast

"The guardian welcome to the guardian long. Read showcasing the best long form journalism covering culture politics and new thinking for the text version of this and all our long reads go to the guardian dot com slash this audio long read contained language. You may find offensive. The death truck. How a solution to mexico's more crisis created a new hora. How did a lorry carrying two hundred. Seventy three dead bodies end up stranded on the outskirts of guadalajara by matthew bremner read by lucy scott and produced by tiffany cassidy. This long read contain some descriptions of dead bodies that you may find distressing on the southern outskirts of guadalajara early. In the morning of fifteenth september twenty eighteen a large container the type normally attached to a lorry sank into the soupy ground beside a rutted country road. The refrigerated container could store up to eighteen tons of material cooled to minus forty degrees centigrade across its white exterior. Cartoon polar bear in a blue work shirt smiled and gave a thumbs up a container like this was a common enough site in the neighborhood of luck macos uneager what attracted attention was the smell. Sitting there slumped between cornfields on one side and dilapidated concrete houses on the other it gave off a thick cloying odor. Some said it reeked of rotting cabbage and fish of mentioned putrid meat but they all agreed the container exuded death. The container had been there since seven. Twenty pm the previous evening and by the morning it had drawn a crowd about one. Hundred people assembled at the edge of the puff appeared out of their houses grimacing and covering their noses with their t shirts. The state police had cordoned off the area and officials wearing boxy suits mumbled into mobile phones describing the scene to their superiors in conspiratorial whispers. The most credible theory was that the container was full of dead livestock. That would explain the smell but then why had the local press come to take pictures. It had to be something worse. Toco mojo is one of the most violent neighborhoods in guadalajara. The capital of mexico's highly. Sco state just a month before the container turned up authorities had discovered three mass graves a couple of miles away. Scores of bodies. Many of the mutilated had been brought to the surface. The this was just the latest outrage mexico's brutal drug war which had begun twelve years earlier in halle sco between two thousand and six and twenty eighteen. Thirteen thousand five hundred. Seventy eight people were murdered. The streets of climaco had become a convenient place to dispose of the bodies as the day wore on the temperature rose. The smell from the container became suffocating and the crowd larger a viscous liquid used from the cracks in the back door dribbling onto the grass. The crowd turned angry. Get it out of here. They shouted that container is full of bodies to their horror. They were right concealed behind. The polar bears anodyne smile late. Two hundred seventy three decomposing corpses still what they did. Not suspect was that it wasn't the drug cartels who had brought this grisly cargo to their doorstep it was the state government sitting in his home in central guadalajara. Lewis octavio tarot was troubled. It was early twenty sixteen and he had been the director of highly cisco's institute of forensic sciences for almost a year. He was in charge of the state's nine mortuaries and he had run out of storage space. The documents uncle taros desk laid bare the situation. The forensic institutes central morgue located on the outskirts of guadalajara. Held two hundred and fifty more bodies than it could legally store. Kotaro had practiced law in the region for decades chairing numerous legal associations and building an illustrious reputation. He had taken this new post after being recommended for the position by the then governor of highly sco are as some devil who was a former law student of qatar does still kotaro was under no illusions about the challenge. He faced in his new role. Since the start of the drug war. In two thousand and six the rising number of homicides have stretched mexico's morgues to breaking point today. More than thirty eight thousand unidentified bodies a stored in morgues or buried in municipal graves across the country. Most of them are still being sought by families. Desperate for news about seventy thousand. People are registered as missing. The current system wasn't designed for the level of violence we are experiencing today and selimo upper daca. The former director of mexico's federal forensic science unit told me it was planned for the mexico of twenty years ago at the time could tattoo took up his post in highly sco cartel related. Violence seemed to be out of control in the first four months of two thousand fifteen tarot staff had performed almost one thousand two hundred autopsies nearly as many as in the whole of the previous year. It was complete chaos. Kotaro told at times. I didn't know what to do. The kotaro is returned. Bearish man who moves the lumbering gait stuck in wet cement. His voice is raspy and brings to mind sandpaper and when he spoke. He grimaced as if the words hurt him when i met him early last year. There seems something apologetic. His manner a sadness as if he regretted having to speak a tool in the past someone in qatar position might have incinerated unidentified and unclaimed bodies when a body arrives at a state morgue. It should in theory be stored in co chamber before an autopsy forensic pathologists could then study it for identifying characteristics dental abnormalities tattoos scars or peculiar injuries as well as taking a dna sample but of the one thousand five hundred seventy one. Unidentified corpses incinerated in highschool between two thousand and six twenty fifteen. Dna had been extracted from only one hundred. Forty one of them cremating. The remains deprived thousands of families of the possibility of finding information about their missing loved. One concluded a report by human rights organization. The center of studies for peace and development see pad according to local investigations. Cremations continued until mid twenty fifteen. Despite a nationwide law passed in twenty thirty banned the practice but by early twenty sixteen. Kotaro had stopped incinerating bodies and begun using a small storage room. At guadalajara's central morgue for the overflow the rooms conditions were far from suitable and the corpses soon decomposed. The liquids that they released began to block the institute's plumbing. Kotaro told journalists. Kotaro blend the authorities almost as much as the cartels for the desperate situation. It had been almost ten years since the start of the war on drugs and coroners was still not receiving the support and the funding. They needed to do their job. Qatar does repeated requests to the state for burial sites or additional storage. Had gone unanswered the situation. So disturbed him that he would take pictures of the decaying bodies piled up in the city's morgues and send them to regional government officials demanding they take action in may two thousand sixteen the fiscal e-e-eh dallas cardio or state prosecutor's office proposed a solution. They would free up. Two hundred spacey's gravesite in la ten miles from the center of guadalajara. These spaces were quickly filled. Which is when a second more. Unorthodox solution was proposed. A district attorney suggested to kotaro that the prosecutor's office hire a refrigerated container from a haulage company parked in the loading bay of the central morgue and store the surplus bodies inside it. Kotaro says he wasn't opposed to the idea. After all mobile refrigeration units had been used in cases of morgue overcrowding in guerrero durango time hourly pass and behind california. Removing the bodies from the central morgue would also improve working conditions for his team. Later that month the prosecutor's office contacted the owner of a company called logistic montez which least containers to who fruit. Vegetables and other perishable foodstuffs the owner who did not respond to requests for an interview was asked to provide a container to the forensic institute. The rate would be one thousand mexican pesos around forty pounds a day for an indefinite period. He agreed he later told. Investigators he did not find out. The container would be used to store dead bodies until six months after to the deal in early. May the first bodies were removed from inside the central morgue and placed in the refrigerated container in the loading bay outside. Some of those bodies had been at the morgue for about a year despite the move the question of who was responsible for the bodies who should determine their final resting place and who should conserve them before they got. There was still unclear. Kotaro with his legal background. Near these times would need to be defined the state prosecutor's office agreed and later on the second of january twenty seventeen. The rental of the container was formalized. The contract stated the to government departments the state prosecutor's office and the forensic institute would hire a mobile refrigeration unit to take pressure off the morgues until space for the bodies could be found in municipal cemeteries both parties. Intended it to be a temporary measure the container would remain at the central morgue for a year at most. In that time the state prosecutor would have to find a permanent solution in the first few months of twenty eighteen. Kotaro watched with mounting frustration as the situation in guadalajara deteriorated. The international red cross recommends for health reasons that the average forensic pathologist carries out no more than one hundred and eighty autopsies a year at the central morgan guadalajara. According to the testimony of its director eduardo mata each coronado performed more than three hundred autopsies in two thousand and eighteen conditions were cramped and unsanitary the morgues doctors later noted in interviews with the commission for the assistance of victims that there was constant cross contamination and staff ran the risk of outbreaks of tuberculosis and bloodborne diseases such as hepatitis or hiv. They had no access to specialist antiseptics and bodies often stacked up on the floor covered with plastic sheets this disorganization and chaos effected the families searching for the bodies of their loved ones. When luther oh pichardo went to the morgue to reclaim her sister. Sandy's body in mid twenty eighteen workers instructed her to return in a few weeks. They said they couldn't find the cadaver in the mass of bodies stored inside the lorry container. After weeks of waiting sandy's family eventually identified her by a tattoo on her right arm. The rest of the body was too badly decomposed. To show us in person. Pichardo told me to cordeiro. It was clear what was needed proper investment in new facilities and training for the pathologists. It was just as clear that this would not be forthcoming. No one was interested in reforming the forensic institute. He told me there was no money in it no political prestige in early twenty eighteen. Kotaro challenged the police and prosecutors office failures over a high profile case in which three students studying film at a private school in guadalajara. Were kidnapped and murdered. According to the state's version. The students were killed and dissolved in barrels of acid by members of organized crime gangs but kotaro disagreed and he did so publicly. He couldn't be sure he told the press that the men had been dissolved in acid because his forensic team had found no trace of the students in the barrels. Maybe he seemed to suggest the investigators had made a mistake. Gutierrez remarks invited the kind of public scrutiny that his superiors were anxious to avoid. They had already arrested two men who had supposedly confessed to the crime. He told me this new finding posed questions about the state's handling of the case. This was a dangerous thing to say in mexico. It is often impossible to tell exactly who is behind a murder or kidnapping the state or the cartels and people who speak out risk reprisals from both since two thousand more than one hundred twenty journalists many of them reporting on the links between politics and all the crime have been murdered in mexico on ninth of july twenty eighteen three months after his intervention co. Taros daughter went missing indira. Kotaro thirty eight was last. Seen driving home from a restaurant with a friend both disappeared. The police had no leads at first. Kotaro criticized the police and the prosecutor's offices lack of progress. The authorities have done nothing to find my daughter. He told the local press as the weeks dragged by growing increasingly desperate. He made his own enquiries he got hold of the police files and studied them for clues. They were pure garbage. He told me shortly afterwards. Kotaro rose family started receiving death threats. They said they were coming from my other daughter. They said she would be next. He told me he had no idea where these messages were coming from. But he knew he couldn't risk his other daughter's life. He had to stop searching for indira and resign himself to not knowing forced to share the feelings of the hundreds of helpless people who came to his workplace every day looking for their loved ones when you have experienced that type of loss. Nothing else really matters. He later told me when we spoke. Katara would not speculate on whether his daughter's disappearance was linked to his worsening relations with the state authorities. Katara didn't know who had taken indira. He said and there was no proof to suggest government involvement. He told me he thought he probably never find her. Who discover who took her the guardian the guardian by mid twenty eighteen the central and regional morgues in halle sco handled one thousand four hundred and sixty eight bodies according to the news outlet zona. Docs there was nowhere near enough room to store them. All appropriately the forensic institutes central morgue contained space intended to hold hundred bodies awaiting identification. But at this point four hundred forty. Four corpses withstood there. Some had arrived more than two years earlier. Kotaro found himself between despair and extreme anger. He felt debilitated by the loss of his daughter. But free to say what he felt. Kotaro felted obscene to leave so many families with no information and no body to bury. He harangued his colleagues at the prosecutor's office and his superiors in the state government. He sent more pictures of decomposing. Bodies and threatening messages in a statement later given to police by a civil servant working for the prosecutor's office. Kotaro said if you don't move this fucking container. I'm going to park in front of the attorney. General's office or the governmental palace in guadalajara. The beginning of august twenty eighteen senior members of the state prosecutor's office including the attorney general met to discuss the problem the prosecutor's office was aware that the refrigerated container had been at the central more for more than a year by now they were supposed to have found an appropriate location for the two hundred and seventy three bodies stood inside. Space was scarce in the other municipal cemeteries and instead of finding a permanent solution the state prosecutor's office and the forensic institute decided to rent a second refrigerated container. But if they were to bring in a second container they needed to find a new home for the first one. Space in the grounds of the forensic institute was limited to lorries parked outside the central morgue. Both smelling of putrefaction communist. Told the local papers that the fridges often turned off might attract unwanted attention. The first container had to be moved. But where and who would take responsibility on the thirty first of august twenty eighteen the original container carrying two hundred seventy three bodies left the central morgue destined for large privately owned warehouse three miles away in the neighborhood of ladder nera on the southern side of guadalajara ladder. Nara is a poor neighborhood and investigators from the state's human rights commission would speculate that authorities chose the site because of its marginal position in the city. Police statements from civil servants working in the prosecutor's office alleged that no official paperwork to move the trunk to the warehouse had been completed. The container remained in lateras nehra for two weeks but the conditions were inadequate for storing hundreds of bodies and even though the unit was refrigerated locals began to notice the foul smell. The mayor complained to the state government. The vehicle had to be moved. The prosecutor's office ordered that the container be taken to its evidence warehouse in guadalajara's industrial sector about twenty minutes drive from nadu wrath nara on the fourteenth of september as the truck chugged through the city passes by glimpse the image of a jocular polar bear unaware that behind the thin sheet of metal were hundreds of human bodies in varying states of decomposition. According to statements from police files as the laurie approach the entrance to the evidence warehouse around four pm. The driver and the containers owner who sat alongside his employees realized that the container was to tool to pass through metal support. Beams that held up the door to the warehouse with too low. They would have to be removed. Engineers was summoned and took measurements. But it started to rain and they decided to stop work. The temperature outside was about twenty seven degrees centigrade and the laurie was parked in the street with little shade. A brown gummy liquid like wallpaper paste began to seep from the container. The laura's owner offered to accommodate the container on a twenty five thousand square meter. Lot he owned on the city's outskirts he often stood things there and as he later told police no people living close by the. Laurie would stay there for as long as it took to order the warehouse entrance. He said that when he proposed the idea the prosecutor's office approved it and the truck headed south. The lot was more than eighteen miles away but as the. Laurie neared its destination. It became stuck in mud on a country road as the wheels spun and sludge flew out behind the container. The driver panicked and rang the prosecutor's office for help one of the district attorney's sent for a tractor at about nine pm to toe the laurie onto firm ground. It arrived an hour or so later but even after the container was freed. The driver didn't dare go any further along the muddy roads for fear of getting stuck again. He couldn't retrace his route back to the warehouse compound because the engineers hadn't yet removed the metal beams at the entrance. By this time. Disgruntled people were gathering nearby. They complained to the police about the stench and threatened to alert the press. In fact the press already got wind of what was going on. There had been rumblings for days about strange happenings. The central morgue at eleven pm. Reporters and tv cameras arrived at the stranded lorry to see if they could confirm the rumor about it containing buddies. Their presence stirred up the crowd. People started threatening to burn the trailer if it wasn't gone by morning. A police officer later told investigators. Police waited beside the container all night at ten forty. Am the following day. another tractor arrived. The crowd had returned and shouted as the tractor. Who the container away down the rutted track as it. Lumbered and bounced copper. Colored fluid trickled from its back. Doors forty eight hours later the prosecutor's office determined that the only suitable place for the container was the forensic institutes central morgue. It was julie returned and installed alongside the new container in view of the dozens of relatives. Who came to look for their missing loved ones. Every day even in a nation that is witnessed atrocity after atrocity the scandal of highly cisco's death containers as they became known in the press shocked mexicans. Hundreds of people gathered outside the forensic institute and pleaded for justice. They are not trash. They have a name and they are not cows for the slaughter they shouted the crowds came from collectives and charitable organizations across the country. From that accrues. Get it. i'll go and nihar it. As the protests continued on the twenty first of september. Dr anna pamela romero stood in front of the to looming white refrigeration units. That now sat in the forensic institute. Grounds romero was a forensic anthropologist from unum. mexico's top university. She had arrived as part of the commission for the assistance of victims which have been called in by the state government to investigate the forensic institute in the aftermath of the scandal. She and her team were there to determine how container of unidentified human remains could of ended up near a residential area of a major city when romero and her team opened the doors of the first container they saw a pile of bodies stacked in black plastic bags. The stench made them rich. A small passageway down. The middle of the container gave access to the bodies piled on either side. The midpoint the stacks had collapsed and the bodies were heaped like used teabags. The contain afloat was coated in a thick layer of pewter lidge. There was so much. Our shoe protect us stuck to the floor. Romero told me eduardo. Mata then head coroner of the frenzy institute would later defend his staff's practices in a statement to the highly sco human rights commission. He said that the temperature in both containers was up demand for the preservation of corpses. The bodies had been well organized. The case romero described he said was caused by the containers journey away from the central morgue. Romero believed the containers should have been better prepared for eventual movement. She also noted that they were obscenely overcrowded. A person doesn't lose their right to dignity when they die. Romero told me a coupes has to be treated with the same respect afforded to the living in the aftermath of the scandal. State governor aristotelian sandoval and his team blamed ineptitude of the forensic institute on the eighteenth of september. He relieved louis kotaro of his charge. As the head of the forensic institute two days later he also fire the state attorney. General raul sanchez. He promised that a criminal inquiry would follow. Hundreds of newspaper. Articles were published about the death containers in the following months and much was made of the government's investigation however more than two years on only one civil servant from the prosecutor's office has been taken to court but they were not found guilty of mistreatment of the bodies only of making undeclared payments for the lease and maintenance of the containers in the period since the has been a change in state administration halley schools new government claims to have made significant advances in addressing the crisis in its forensic services last year the forensic institute current director gustavo. Caserta told me that he had things under control and that there had been many improvements. The state government said that it had increased the institute's budget by almost thirty million pesos. About one million pounds employing ninety two new forensic experts and expanding the central morgues cold storage capacity from one hundred units to four hundred seventy nine. The institute claims it no longer has to rely on mobile refrigeration. Units in cases of emergency meanwhile unidentified bodies continue to arrive the morgue. Kotaro is one of the few to have spoken out about the mounting crisis of unidentified bodies at significant risk to himself. I asked him if he regretted any of his actions or if he felt culpable for the events of twenty eighteen he deflected saying that he bore no responsibility for the bodies after his coroner's had examined them. He said he didn't want to become the scapegoat. Kotaro is still under investigation for the inhumane treatment of the cadavers. He denies charges i wondered. Why could tarot had waited to be sacked. What it stopped him from resigning in protest of the situation. He had observed well working for the forensic institute. He replied that he stayed those extra months because he wanted to be at the institute if his daughter's body turned up the it never did or at least that's what the records say. It is a grim possibility that it has been there. All along still unidentified. Owing to the lack of resources and the overwhelming number of victims the containers were cleaned and dismantled in mid november twenty eighteen of the three hundred and twenty two bodies stood in the two refrigerated containers. Forty eight were eventually identified and returned to their families. The remaining two hundred and seventy four were buried in guadalajara's to municipal cemeteries in theory. They could later be zoomed for a family burial. They will probably never be claimed for more in long. Rene's in text selection in audio. Go to the guardian dot com forward slash. Long read. find us on soundcloud at soundcloud ford slash the guardian long. The more great podcasts. From the guardian. Just go to the guardian dot com slash podcasts. Looking for a new podcast listened to. Here's what we love. 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Joaquin 'El Chapo' Guzman

Escape Official

1:11:26 hr | 2 years ago

Joaquin 'El Chapo' Guzman

"On July eleventh two thousand and fifteen gods. At the federal social reputation, sent to number one might they usual rounds, the federal social rat up patients, into number one, also known as the ultimate planner prison for short is a maximum security prison in alma lawyer d'ivoire is image tight of Mexico. Completed in non ninety, and we've security features that included one Mehta thick reinforced concrete walls, the Mexican authorities boasted that it was impregnable. You'll keen, El Chapo Guzman. The head of the Sinn Loa cartel in Mexico have been incarcerated in the LT. Planet prison since two thousand fourteen. He was awaiting extradition to the US to face charges of drug trafficking, and murder at eight fifty two PM. Guzman was seen on security cameras near the shower area in his cell. This was the last time he was caught on the security cameras by the monitors in the control room. After twenty five minutes prison, God's went to Guzman sale to look for him. Guzman was gone. Keen. Arche Valda Guzman, though, era was born in Cinna Loa, Mexico in the small rural community of Latina butter Aguado. He's official date of birth is disputed with my sources stating it as April fourth nineteen fifty seven while of is recorded as December twenty fifth nineteen fifty four Guzman was one of ten children with three out of brothers four, younger brothers, and two younger sisters. All three of his Ota. Brothers died, when Guzman was young reportedly of natural causes, the Cushman family was typical of the la- tuna community poll, and with few opportunities for work cushman's, father Emilio Cushman who steals reportedly worked as both a cattle rancher at Gamero or opium. Poppy pharma. As a child, you're keen soda oranges, while receiving limited education. The nearest school was sixty miles away, almost one hundred kilometers and the local communities typically relied on traveling teaches, who would spend a few months in la- tuna educating children before moving on to the next town. Your keen studies continued until the third grade when he dropped out to work with his father cultivating crops of opium. Poppies. Because man and his younger brothers would hawk the nearby hills of batter guate- to harvest the poppy butts. Once the harvest was sufficiently lodge. He's father within sale. The poppy buds to buys in nearby Culiacan and Guam. Chew. Along the way 'cause Monsignor would also sell quantities of marijuana the earnings from poppy buds and marijuana were modest and in most cases Guzman Sania a Philander and drinker, would spend most of the prophets on women and -lica- before he and your keen had returned home. This routine remained the same for years unto. You'll keen Todd of watching his father's mismanagement took matters into his own hands. At age fifteen. You'll keen Guzman, along with four of his cousins, KOTA, vacated, and sold their first marijuana crop and used the profits to support their families. In his lights at teens. He's Fava through the younger Guzman out of home, nor death threatened by he son's ability to support the family, while he himself could not. And you'll keen Guzman went to live with his maternal grandfather, it was here that two significant events occurred. I he was given the nickname that the world would come to know him as El Chapo, which was Mexican slang for shorty a reference to his five foot six inch hot and stocky build. The second was his contact with his uncle Pedder, villas Peres, one of the early pioneers of Mexican drug trafficking through his uncle El Chapo left. La- tuna in his early twenties to find work in the lucrative world of organized crime. During the nineteen seventies Chapa worked for. Hector. L Gero palm, a drug Lord working under the umbrella of the Guadalajara cartel. He Chapa was responsible for transporting drugs through Mexico and ensuring that they was successfully shipped from the remote Sierra Madre region to more urban areas. Closer to the US Mexico border. Having learnt the importance of a will manage uprising from his teenage years cultivating. And selling marijuana Chapo took his role very seriously to the point of violence, if any of his shipments, were light. He quickly gone it a reputation fish shooting smugglers in the head himself, if they were not on time, and as a man not to be missed with. Chapa was ambitious and frequently press hectic, Pomme, and his of superiors to allow him to smuggle a bigger share of the narcotics to the border. He's peers locked this ambition. And in the early nineteen eighties Chapa was introduced to reckless to leader of the Guadalajara cartel Phoenix guy. Jato also known as elp Adrina, the godfather. He initially worked for Jato as a chauffeur before he was promoted to the head of logistics for the Guadalajara cartel and took on responsibility for, oh, shipments of Colombian cocaine, voi- air land and sea. Immolate nineteen seventies and early nineteen eighties. The Guadalajara cartel had to mine lines of business. The first was the coat of -ation production and sil- of there are not cortex might up of cocaine and marijuana. The second was from agreements with Colombian cartels to transport Colombian cocaine up to and across the US Mexico border for which they were paid a fee per kilogram. The arrangement with the Colombians was second business. However, since at this time the Colombian still smuggled the majority of the car cane for the Caribbean and up through the Florida Keys. This was to change. However, when you isel authorities began pressuring the medigene cocktail and Kelly cartel, with a massive ramp up in surveillance, and drug busts off the coast of Florida. In response, the medigene contel run by Pablo Escobar, and the Kelly cartel run by the Rodriguez brothers, turn to the later of the Guadalajara cartel Felix guy Jato to Ticon largest share of the car, canes shipments. The Guadalajara cartel and its leadership, including Chapman soul, their profits jump immediately. The US drug enforcement agency. The DA soon began increasing this violence in Mexico in an attempt to thwart the cartels, planting informants throughout the country and within the cartels directly. One informant in K, Camerena Saleh's, manage to earn the trust of the Guadalajara cartel leader. In nineteen Eighty-four using information delivered by informant Camerena four hundred fifty Mexican soldiers, backed by helicopters destroyed thirteen hundred and forty four IKEA marijuana plantation. None, as Rancho booth below in Lindy in southeastern Mexico, which was owned by Felix guy. Jato the seas marijuana white between twenty five hundred and six thousand tonnes with an estimated value of up to eight billion dollars. Enraged by the betrayal Felix Jato used his ties with corrupt Mexican law enforcement officials to identify Camerino as the source of the leak and had him arrested in broad daylight on February seventh nineteen five. Camerino was taken to one of yada, ranches tortured for thirty hours. And then murdered. He's body was found dumped in a rural area a month lighter with broken ribs alone with a crush skull nose, jaw and wind pop. News of the murder created a political firestorm back in Washington DC. And you as poet, Titians pressured, they Mexican counterparts to apprehend an extra dot the suspects to the United States. An investigation quickly identified Felix Jato as one of the main suspects, along with his associates, a nigga Fonseca Correo, and the co founder of the Guadalajara cartel Rafael Caro Quintero both on Secca and Kara where apprehended in April nineteen ninety-five Felix guy, Jato, however, still enjoyed a level of political protection through Mexico's corrupt government and law enforcement. But given the hate of the situation, he did Cape low profile and Chapa used this to he's advantage. He took over additional drug trafficking, operations growing. He statue within the cocktail and fervor solidifying, he's reputation as a serious operator. Felix yada was arrested. In April one thousand nine hundred nine on charges of drug, trafficking recketeering drug smuggling and multiple violent crimes. He's a wrist exposed widespread corruption in Mexico, within politics and law enforcement, which led to the immediate arrest of several police commanders and the desertion of ninety police offices. Even from jail. However, Phoenix yada remained one of the country's biggest drug barons running the cartel via mobile phone. Later in nineteen thousand nine go yada, code for a summit to be held at Acapulco Guerrero, located on the Pacific coast of Mexico. Here, Chapo and the other major players discussed the division of territories that were controlled by the Guadalajara cartel. The outer Yano brothers formed. The Tijuana cartel Correa flinches forms. The water is cut tail and Chapa and the remaining factions formed the sooner Loa cut till which operated in the sooner low region, and along the Pacific coast. This specific drug corridors controlled by Chapa with the city's Takata and Mexico in the Mexican state of Bajour, California, and San Luis Rio, Colorado in the state of Sonora. To give the three corridors gave access to the neighboring states have AirAsia and California in the US. The division of territories. However, sit the scene for dramatic conflicts and reprisals between the newly formed cocktails. The Tijuana cut tell was headed up principally by the area brothers, but they shared the latest shape with has his Labra obvious, aka L, Choy, and have Caro Pyan aka El Dr. Fearing that a coup was imminent karaoke yon fled to Canada where he was arrested. In the weeks and months following his arrest Cairo Pyan uncovered details of drug operations to the authorities, exposing the sky of drug trafficking occurring across the US Mexico border. Chapo and the other leaders of the sooner low cut till angry at the area, no brothers who they blamed for Kara Payan, exposing the extent of drug trafficking in Mexico. In nineteen Eighty-nine Chapo sent one of his most trusted men. Monday, Lopez aka L Rayo to speak with the leaders of the Tijuana cartel before he had a chance. I'm under Lopez was killed by Raimondo Ariana Phoenix. He's body was disposed of, on the outskirts of town, and a hit ordered on the remaining members of the Lopez family to prevent future reprisals. Lighter in nineteen eighteen on the Arie on Bravo's also sent a Venezuelan drug traffic in Riquet referee Okla Vilma. Renew to seduce, the wife of Hector, L, Guerra Pomme, a member of his Sinoloa cartel and FILA cocktail Lleida alongside Chapo. After persuading palm his wife to withdraw seven million US dollas from US Bank account belonging to Pomme Clavell, then executed her and sent her head to palm in a box. The full motoring palm is two children by throwing them off a bridge. Two weeks lighter. Palmer retaliated by having Clavell murdered while he was in jail. These conflicts escalated over the next three years with a series of revenge killings from both sides, which included two attempts to assassinate Chapa and retalitary assassination attempts on the area. No brothers. In mid nineteen Ninety-three members of the Tijuana cut till were informed that Chapo was traveling took Waddell, HARA international airport with the intention of catching a flight to Puerto Vallarta. After spotting a what mercury grandma key in the cop. Hawk, they believe chapel to be inside. Twenty gunmen jumped out of their cause an opened fire on the vehicle. They had the wrong car Chapa was in a green Buick sedan in view of the what mercury. He managed to slip away undetected and made it to a safe house in booby Leah's, one of many Saif houses, he owned throughout Mexico and used as the hot outs or stash houses for drugs, cash and weapons. The occupant of the what mercury grandma key was one has Asada so Campo the cardinal archbishop of Guadalajara. The Bishop had been hit with fourteen boards during the frenzy and died, along with his chauffeur and six other people who had been caught in the crossfire. The death of the Bishop outrage the people of Mexico along with the Catholic church. Up until now Chapa had enjoyed operating as a relatively anonymous figure. He had come onto the right out of the D back in nineteen eighty seven but the true scale of the operation, or he's place, within the latest ship was not a widespread topic of conversation among the public, the death of the cardinal would change this forever. The Mexican government launched a massive manhunt for those responsible or involved in the shootout including Chapa and offered five million US dull bounties for each of them. Previously on none to the public chapel. His face was Ness splashed across newspapers and television sets across Mexico with the bounty amount and the number to call to provide information. Fearing he would be arrested. Chapa traveled across Mexico. Never staying in one place for moving a few weeks. And usually on the few days. He met with trusted associates along the way and left instructions on how the cartel should be operated to Cape drugs flowing across the US Mexico border. He also left to vast sums of cash to payments of two hundred million US dollars. One was to provide for his family during his absence. The second was to ensure that the data die operations of the sooner Loa cartel rent smoothly in the event, he was absent for some time. On June fourth nineteen Ninety-three, japa- traveled to Wata Malla on a fake passport in the name of horror. Hey Ramos, Peres Guatemala, located in Central America on Mexico's southern border had been ravaged by decades of civil wool following the US, occas, traffic coup, and corruption was rampant through atop levels of government and law enforcement. Chapo anticipated it would be easy to slip away by bribing, the rot officials. He had planned to keep a low profile and travel with his girlfriend and several bodyguards with the intent of settling in nearby El Salvador. On June ninth nineteen Ninety-three, however, Chapa was arrested for the first time an extradited to Mexico to face charges of bribery, drug trafficking and criminal association. Chapa was immediately a scolded under heavy God to the maximum security, federal social readaptation, sent to number one OT planner on the outskirts of alma lawyer. Juarez. Due to security concerns. He was tribe, within the prison convicted and sentenced to twenty years behind bars. On November twenty second nineteen ninety five he was transferred to another maximum security prison. Vigil social rid. Uptaken Centene, number two, also known as pointy 'Grande Neil Iskoe. Despite being behind BAAs Chapa continued to oversee the soon alot, cartels, massive drug empire. With the help if he's younger brother Arturo was Mondo era, running the operations from the at side Chapa not only maintained, but in Hans, he's satis as an international kingpin in the drug business. The growing profits ensured that he continued to enjoy at decadent lost all even behind bars. Cinna lower associates regularly delivered suitcases brimming with cash to the prison which Chapa used to bribe prison workers. Through this system, the imprison Sinoloa Cappos had a steady supply of almost anything. They wanted cocaine liquor prostitutes Viagra restaurant, food and even live music. The prison God's essentially became servants to Chapo, and he's associates. Besides those associates Chapa, also met, he's longtime mistress, while imprisoned, former police officers limo Hernandez, Hernandez was serving Tom in the same prison on armed robbery, charges, and she would go on to work within the sin alot cartel. On June twenty third nineteen ninety-five Chapa is boss. Sinoloa cartel leader. Hector L, Guerra Pomme was on board at twelve Sega private Leauge, it travelling took Waddell, ahora. How this go the jet was diverted, and unable to locate another landing strip in time was forced to make an emergency crash landing. Although, pomace VAR the crash landing. He was arrested by Mexican military offices tried and sentenced to twelve years in a Mexican prison. He would go on to be extradited to the US a decade lighter where he was tried and sentenced to non years for drug trafficking and conspiracy. With Palmer out of the picture Chapo, assumed control of the Sinoloa cartel despite still being in jail. He ordered his associates to expand operations further in the production smuggling and distribution of narcotics from Mexico into the US. In nineteen ninety nine another opportunity arose for vaccine allow a cartel to Taunton. Their grip on the drug business in Mexico. The Minsk brothers founders of the Colima cartel were arrested on methamphetamine charges. Chapo seized on the opportunity that have been left by their departure methamphetamine produces across Mexico, who had previously supplied the immense brothers were now looking for new leadership to ensure the product continued flowing into the US. Chapa and a senior Loa associate is miles embody Garcia, aka L mayo earned too happy to make the necessary arrangements. Using their contacts on Mexico's Pacific coast that they already worked with for transporting cocaine shipments, Japoan's embargo were able to use the existing infrastructure of planes, pilots, and boats that was already in place. They simply attach the loads of methamphetamine onto the cocaine shipments the money saved from having to set up infrastructure from scratch, and from bribing officials in the supply chain meant all profits from the new product flow directly into the scene alot coffers while serving his prison sentence at the point 'Grande prison, Chapa was indicted, in San Diego in the US on charges of money, laundering, and importing multiple tons of cocaine into the state of California. He's attorney whom went to lawyer Castro who represented the sooner Loa cartel was also arrested and charged with bribing Mexican officials on the cartels behalf to make sure cartel. Members who were arrested were quickly released from custody. Following sustained pressure from the US government over several years. The supreme court of Mexico made a ruling that would ensure extra dotting citizens between the two countries would be carried at foster and more easily. Knowing that he was among the US government's top criminal targets Chapo, began formulating plans for an Skype. Since being transferred to point a 'Grande prison in November nineteen ninety-five Chapa had worse steadily to create allies among prison, God's might and stuff, and even the facilities director. Using a combination of Chom and judicious bribing Chapman than to wield influence over the majority of staff, within the prison and on January nineteenth two thousand one he put his escape plan into action. Exactly what the plan was, and how it unfolded is contested. It is alleged that prison might worker by the name of Francisco L Cheetos Canberra's Rivera who had taken pity on the drug Lord because of his possible extradition to the United States, Open chapels. 'electronic -ly, upright itsel door and had him climb inside a laundry cart. This laundry, Kat was then pushed by Chatto through several security, does, and eventually out the front door of the prison. According to this version of the story, L Chatto is not stopped by other guards for the cut to be surged because the gods had been bribed. It is alleged that they did not know, Chapa was inside the laundry cart. They were told he was using the cot to smuggle gold that had been extracted from rock at the inmate workshop. Once in the prison cop Chapa got into the backseat of a cop, which cheetah drove until they reached a semi deserted location out of town. The next part of the story relies on Hazou sim badeah the brother of Chapo sooner lower associate is male. L. Mayo's imbaba. Intestacy. He gave during a court case in November two thousand eighteen he alleged that he's brother L mayo had prearranged a helicopter to make Chapo and Chater and carry them to safety. Zimbabwe testify, they don't chase had got cold feet and was left behind by Chapa before he boarded the helicopter. Another version of the story, claim Chapo convinced Chato's to stay behind and climb. He was responsible for the Skype in exchange, Chapa promised. He would arrange for L Chato's release once everything had died down. Elchi Chatto would go on to serve seventeen years in prison for his role in the sky. A third version claims that out sheets her left Tshepo in the car while he went into a gestation to boy bottle of water and return to find Chapa gone continuing his escape on foot. Exactly what happened remains unclear but however, it came about Chapa Cheeto parted ways early on in the escape. According to them, badeah, Chapo arrived on the hilly copter, Iran seven AM at another location where he was greeted by his mayo L mayors Imbaba has his Imbaba, and has his, his wife, the four of them, then took a two hour and forty five minute drive to a Saif house. At the scf house. A number of police were awaiting the group not to arrest Chapa but to provide an escort to safety. Zimbardo claims that Chapa was anxious at first, but was told not to worry that these police with the people, a no one would touch them from here on out. After the police escort Chapo, made his way to a ranch, unbinding associate named Bob arena. One of the most feared famous gunman that Chapa commanded, according to hes's Simba. Zimba also testified that Chapo attended the christening of Bob arenas son, where the priests administering the service was both surprised and quote a little nervous. An alternative theory about how the initial part of the Skype occurred comes from the work of investigative journalist Annabel Hernandez. In her book knocker land, Hernandez claims that there is no way a prisoner could Skype in a laundry, Kat from point A 'Grande, due to the security features like hate, and motion sensors installed at the prison security cameras, and hidden mock refunds throughout the prison were monitored twenty four seven by staff in secured control room, Hernandez claims they provide footage and sound of Chapa entering the prison. Seek by around the time. He was supposedly concealed in the lonely, Kat on the often noon of he's Skype Chapa was observed in his cell with three of the prison. Senior offices and the prison. Doctor, a shade of plywood was installed to block the security cameras lawn of sought into his cell. The loss. Video footage shows Chapo near the prison sick bay along with two bodyguards just before lights out at eleven PM the warden was advised Chapa was not in his cell at one him. The deputy secretary was notified and at seven AM a federal police swat unit stormed. The prison evacuating prison guards from the entrances exits and all monitoring stuff from the control room Hernandez, alleges that the swat officers who were assigned to seek by found Chapo and dressed him in a uniform Bowie. Clova and wrought helmet when the prison alert was lifted the swat team withdrew from the prison and chapel lift with them before arranging to be picked up by associates on the outside. And then does his theories boasted by statements from public officials involved with the case who are on record saying, Chapo had help from the prison of ministration. Whichever is true, the carefully Mazda mandis, Skype plant not only included bribing staff and ficials in sawed the prison. But luckily, the police in Halle ska, this insured Chapa had a twenty four hour headstart to make it out of the state and ahead of the manhunt. That would inevitably ensued. It was strait's the deep influence that Chapa wheeled in Mexico at all levels. According to officials, seventy eight paper were implicated in the escape plan, including Francisco, L Cheetos, Cam barrows, as well as the prison facility director. The escape was reported to have caused Chapa two point five million dollars. As news of Chapas Skype hit newspaper headlines, the Mexican government ordered a message man hunt in the surrounding area. Thority is right at houses in the communities, close to the prison along with ranches and even government buildings by found trice of the drug. In Guadalajara, the Mexican army made a surprise right on the house of one of Chapman's associates. And although they found drugs cash and weapons still no sign of the drug Lord. An anonymous tip line was set up, which little authorities to believe he was hiding out in men's. Aena kalima. The military righted seventeen houses and full ranches. But again, not a trace of the target. It became clear that Chapa was not going to be found in Howe's go and the men hunt was quickly expanded to a nationwide. Search. Military units and specialist offices were deployed throughout the country. Thousands of men spread out across cities towns and small rural communities. Despite numerous tips and a slew of rights. They came up empty-handed. Meanwhile, Chapa was eager to solidify he's position as the most notorious drug kingpin in Mexico. He spent months traversing from hot too hot out cultivating context throughout the country. The methamphetamine business. Previously, a joint venture within the Cinna Loa cut till between Chapa and L mayor became Chapuis alone. The drug Lord constructed huge Beth and Phettumein. The bar trees throughout the mountainous terrain in Mexico, including in Cinna, Loa, Halas, go to Rango Mitchell, Ken and Nihar it. He developed context through at China Thailand and India to setup a steady supply of precursor chemicals that the labs required. With the business. Now, rapidly expanding Chapa was up writing in seventeen of the thirty one Steitz of Mexico. He placed Ignacio Coronel via riyal in charge of the methamphetamine, operation to free himself up to be the big boss Coronel in his early forties. At the time had begun. He's four I into the drug business during the nineteen eighties. He was previously, the leader of the Horace cartel in narrates dight working under the founder a motto Correa winters. Korea winces known as the Lord of the scars ju to his prolific fleet of planes that carry drug shipments at dawn in July nineteen Ninety-seven in a Mexican hospital. He had undergone extensive facial, plastic surgery and law Pawtuxet to change his appearance, but uring the procedure, he died, apparently ju to either a full t respirator or a reaction to one of the medications. The bodies of the two physicians who perform the surgery were founded November nineteen Ninety-seven encased in concrete inside steel drums. They body showed Sohn's of torture. After Korea Quintas is death. Coronel broke away from the Horace cartel and joined the Sinoloa hill, where he earned a reputation for reliability, moving multi touch shipments of cocaine using fishing boats. After being promoted to the head of chapels methamphetamine, operation Coronel proved to be so effective in the role, he became known as the king of crystal and dominated, crystal methamphetamine production and trafficking. The promotion free chapel up to continue strengthening. He's position against RAV cocktails. Since Skyping in two thousand and one Chapo had said he saw it on caning control over the coveted Juarez crossing points, the city of Juarez laws on the border with the United States on the Rio Grande river with Paso, Texas, on the other side of the Bob Dwyer, topped board offenses. The Juarez crossing points were controlled by the Juarez cartel operated by the Correa, flinches family and run by vicinty Correa. Flint is in partnership with his brother Ridolfi, and the biltrite Leiva brothers. The Bill Tron live brothers, then led by Friday. Beltran Leiva will also launch with checkposts in alot Kotil helping to secure drug trafficking routes. Although there was a hard degree of mistrust between them the Sinoloa and Juarez cartels, had a working agreement at the time over this was about to change. On September eleventh two thousand and four Rodolfo career flinches, along with his wife and two young children were ambushed and killed at soda shopping center in Culiacan. The order, had come from Chapa, designed to destabilize the Juarez cartel and create an opportunity for Sinn alot to take control of the Horace crossing points. The assassination, escalated into a full turf war between the two cartels and violence exploded across the city homicide rights, scar rocketed an estimated sixty thousand people have been killed since. Chapo continued to allude the authorities who under increasing pressure to catch him as the violence escalated. Japa- kept a low profile traveling from ranch to ranch in the mountainous remote country sought of rule. Mexico. In may two thousand five it was claimed he made a rare public appearance reportedly entering a busy restaurant, escorted by several bodyguards. He ordered the restaurant doors caused then told the forty nervous patrons. They were not allowed to leave until he had finished dinner, while he's buddy, God's collected this cell phones. Upon leaving the patrons discovered. The Chapa had picked up the tabs in a show of preciado for cooperating with him. At least two other accounts of similar exploits at other restaurants, have been reported with. They were true. Not the tiles created an aura around Chapa, I'd only help to amplify. He's already legendary status. In two thousand and five chapels expansion plans were in full swing. Already a dominant player in cocaine marijuana and methamphetamine. He moved to monopolize the heroin tried in the US with the I'm of shipping massive whites of the drug tissue Kaga. Chicago was the perfect destination. Centrally located and on the dies drive to my CDs in the US and twenty three hours from the US, Mexico board. He met with two Chicago based, twin brothers Pedro and Margarita Flora's at one of his secret compounds in Mexico, arranging for them to be flown to him. Chapa locked the Bravo's for their focus on business, and that they were locate, no attention drawing bravado. At this meeting, he made an offer to ship as much heroin to them in Chicago, as they could move by mid two thousand five chapels heroin was flowing into Chicago and the surrounding cities and hospital admissions and deaths from overdoses skyrocketed. The D A, eventually traced, the heroin to a lab in Mexico City, which PO had hard chemist to make the heroine extra potent. They had added Fenton hill to the mix at synthetic opiates. That's thirty to fifty times stronger but indistinguishable from heroin. By the end of two thousand eight Chapa and the sooner Loa gang was supplying more than half the cocaine and heroin in America. According to the US Justice department with the heroin alone netting an estimated two billion dollars. Chapa used some of the hundreds of millions of dollars pouring into Sinoloa coffers to grease the palms of Mexican officials from top down bribing anyone needed to ensure smooth operations this meant that any information, the D I shave with Mexico law enforcement was leaked and taskforces writing one of Chapman's hot outs would discover their target had slipped away. Sometimes on the minutes before. Often the DA would learn their informant had turned up dead dies awakes lighter. Besides the use of bribery, alongside acts of violence. And intimidation Chapa was also alleged to have fit information on his rivals to the d- to maintain his dominance over the other tells tipping awful thority to rival shipments of cocaine coming into the US. Besides rivals. Chapa was suspected to have given up information that led to the arrests of some of the tops in lower till ladies, which he did as part of a deal within Mexican president Philippe, pay colder on in exchange for immunity from prosecution. It is speculated that after president colder on faced accusations from the public of accepting bribes from Chapa colder on hope the arrest of some Sinoloa latest would serve as evidence. He's government would vigorously pursuing old cartels cinema included colder on strongly denies the allegations. Room is circulated about Chapuis alleged conspiracy with the Mexican president along with rumors. He had also lake information to the D that lead to major disruptions to the Tijuana, cartel and the arrest of Friday BELTRAN live in January two thousand and eight a SUNA lower Lieutenant and commander in the BELTRAN live. Acros mobilization. Alfred capture was fully by the arrest of eleven more BELTRAN, live members in Mexico City. The Bill Tron live Bravo's, suspected Chapa was behind the devastating right since he had previously expressed concern over Alfred as high profile an extravagant lifestyle for some time. The arrests in Mexico City and disruption of the Horace cartel latest ship where the green lot for this in a low cartel to take control of the territory. Zulema Menendez, the former police officer and chapels love interest, who he had met while the two were imprisoned together was placed in control of expansion in Mexico City after the arrest of his brother and eleven associates Arturo BELTRAN live was furious. He assumed control of the BELTRAN live organisation undeclared, a fool wall with the sin alot cartel. Hours after the declaration, an unsuccessful attempt was might on the law of Cotto head L Mayo's embodies, son. Dozens of killings followed in an act of retribution. The Bill Tron life Bravo's ordered a hit on Tshepo son Edgar, who was murdered on my two thousand eight in Kula, Ken. Chapa responded by ordering multiple acts of revenge and violence exploded in Culiacan for the reminding month of may. At least one hundred sixteen paper were murdered, including twenty six police offices. A further two hundred and seventy one people was slain during the two months that followed. Meanwhile, the BELTRAN live brothers formed an alliance with the low Sita's and Gulf cartel against in a lower and focused on controlling the Mexican states in the center of the country where no single grew had control. Exit richer, bution continued chapels lover, Zulema Hernandez in charges cinemas expansion in Mexico City was murdered. Her body was found in the boot of a car with the letters, it, carved into her breasts, and buttocks the Coen cod of the murderous lousy tusk group. Despite the coalition of cartels, that had risen against Sinoloa Japanese domination in the Mexican drug onto world continued. He's ability to capture had catapulted him to legendary status in Mexican folklore along with stories of his generosity building schools, and roads for the poorest, rural communities. There is no evidence to suggest that he built a single school or a road for anything other than transporting drugs alone. But the stories have bounded nonetheless. In two thousand and nine the Mexican government released its most wanted list, a who's who of Mexican drug lords at large Chapa was at the top of the list, and our award of thirty million Mexican pesos or two point one million US dollars was offered for information that would lead to his arrest. Reports of sorting ings at the kingpin came regularly, h Tom Reid was made Chapa had escaped always one step ahead of authority. Between two thousand nine and two thousand twelve for the remaining term of president, Philippe pay coder on is belief Chapo traverse Mexico and South America with impunity in April two thousand non Roman Catholic archbishop hectic on solace. Sit an interview, quote everyone knew that Guzman lived in Guana savvy Durango, except the authorities who just did not happen to see him for some reason, president coder on was accused of being responsible for Chapa reminding lodge Eighty-three corruption or incompetence. In December two thousand twelve in Riquet Penon Yeta was sworn in as the new president of Mexico PANA had promised to curb violence in Mexico bar, prioritizing, the arrests of drug kingpins and the dismantling of the cartels. Mexican authorities continued to work on information gleaned from informants or until delivered by foreign governments. In February two thousand thirteen the Guatemalan government reported Chapa had been killed in a gunfight with what amount security forces on the Mexico, Guatemalan Boorda. But the story turned out to be false. In late November Mexican news outlets reported the DA had tapped radio conversations between drug traffickers and discover Chapa had been admitted to a private hospital in her Liska after a suspected heart attack. Authorities righted several clinics, I suspected but found nothing. He did, however reinforced theory, that Chapa was suffering health problems named has diabetes and heart disease. Authorities had long suspected they were a consequence of his well documented weakness for fun, dawning and rich food. Piecing snippets of information together authorities suspected that Chapa was living between various properties in the Sierra Madre region. An area in northwest and Mexico encompassing sill Loa to Ranga, and Chihuahua known as the golden triangle. The rugged mountainous area was remote and not as Lee acceptable with small towns or communities often linked by one single line road. It was perfect for chaper who used a group of more than three hundred local informants and conman as he's is and ears against approaching authorities. Besides his informants, Chapa also relied on an inner circle of his most trusted associates, many of them family to ensure he remained a free man. By light two thousand and thirteen. However, the d we're beginning to infiltrate distrusted team. In november. They arrested is male Elmes embodied, son at a border crossing in Arizona and a month lighter, they gun down Gonzala in zooms in Zunes, one of the sin, alot, cartels, top lieutenants, slowly, the noose was beginning to Taunton. On February twelfth two thousand fourteen Mexican federal ministerial police forces directed by Mexico's attorney general's office arrested Daniel Fernandez Dominquez a high ranking Sinoloa cartel chafe. In his possession. They found twenty my funds that contain the numbers of various high-ranking cartel associates, and two days later authorities righted several properties in Culiacan and Messina LA countryside. They arrested five more seen alot members of barriers ranks and one of them, total thority, is that one of the numbers on a mobile phone belong to Chapa. Thirties used the number to trace Chapa his presence to Culiacan and will also able to track down and Ariss other associates who were interrogated for information. The until they received led to them focusing on the whereabouts of Mario. Hidalgo Aguayo, Chapuis postal assistant. On February sixteenth, Chapo arrived at a property owned by his ex wife in Culiacan. He had ordered his assistant. He dug oh Aguayo to pick up his dinner from a local restaurant. Aguayo had returned to his own house off to making the delivery and was arrested at his doorstep by the whiting Mexican authorities. During an interrogation he gave up information on several addresses, in Culiacan that Chapa used. He explained that his boss really spent more than a diet, one property rotating between properties h died and not disclosing his where best to his inner circle until they were on route. On February seventeenth authorities. Righted Chapuis ex-wasps property in the Cohen us descend McGill neighborhood. But there was no sawn Chapa the next morning Chapa used his mobile phone to Cohen associate asking for help to get out of Culiacan. Authorities Trist the number to a property in Libertad neighborhood. And law enforcement rushed to ride the property and arrest him. The navy tried to break down the door, but found it was reinforced with steel as well as being filled with water in a center. Cavity to prevent it from being broken through with Haight from blow torch. After ten minutes. They had bashed in the door. But when they searched the bathroom, they discovered the boss top had been raised by how drug lifts to reveal a set of stays leading to a secret passage. Chapo and his personal bodyguard who Ramirez along with a female cook had heard that banging on the door and use the time to escape down the passage. Knowing that Chapa was no more than ten minutes ahead of them security forces might they y through the tunnel until they reach a small portal that connected to the talk. Julia Ken suicide. Mm-hmm. They continued down the tunnel while troops flooded the streets at Bove and covert US drone monitored, the area from the air in case Chapo emerged from a manhole. Meanwhile, Chapa had fled through the complex network of tunnels in the city's suicide him onto thority had lost him. Once again, the drug Lord had managed to escape. Authorities knew they were close now an arrested another one of Chapuis in a circle. Mario Lopez are. Sewri. A-. After interrogation a story told them head picked up Chapa and Ramirez at a stool, mortar drain at sort of Culiacan, then driven the piss out where they were picked up by other associates in a different car. On February twentieth who Ramirez turned on his mobile phone to text of us in a low cartel members and authorities Trist the signal to the Pacific coastal city of Mazar loans. Sinoloa. Although will thority was certain Chapa would have made his way back to the Sierra Madre region. They decided they would attempt to capture who Ramirez I. On the morning of Fabiani, twenty second two thousand fourteen forty Mexican navy soldiers and a small group of agents from the DA, the US, marshals service and the US department of homeland security formed a security perimeter around the hotel Miramar in Mazatlan. Although they had pinpointed Ramirez location to hotel. Miramar a twenty storey condominium that stood across the road from the beach. They could not identify for certain this Pacific room Ramirez was in. The hotels registration office, showed two rooms had been rented the previous day in the first room, the navy soldiers broke through the door to fund to sleeping US tourists. At the same time on the fourth floor, six. Oh, ges made their way to the second room where they discovered who Ramirez guarding the entrance with an AK47.. Outnumbered, six to one Ramirez surrended the weapon and the soldiers made their way into the hotel room. In the first bedroom, they discovered Chapo, Schiff a babysitter and chapels two daughters in the second bedroom was Chapa his wife full missing alot Emma, Coronel Esperanza alongside their allusive target Chapa himself without a single shot being fired. The legendary druglord was arrested. At the time of his arrest Chapa held several mantles of notoriety. Not only had he behnd the top of Mexico's most wanted list, he was considered the world's most wanted criminal and Chicago's public enemy number one, title, not bestowed on anyone by the city's crime commission since Al Capone in nineteen thirty. Japa- had never even set foot in the city. Word of the notorious druglords arrest was leaked to the press that morning and the story quickly went farro. Globally. The headlines of my jeans pipers was splashed with the news that the almost mythical criminal from Mexico was now in custody. The arresting authorities had confirmed his identity through a fingerprint examination at the time of his capture before he was flown to Mexico City for formal identification that same after noon. Chapa was presented to the cameras of an egg press conference at the Mexico City international airport before he boarded a Black Hawk helicopter. Escorted by one Mexican air force and two navy helicopters. He was transferred to the heavily guarded maximum security prison. In amyloid to waters the federal social rid up patient center, number one. The altiplano. On February twenty fourth two thousand fourteen Chapa was formerly charged with drug trafficking, by the Mexican government with the intention of charging him with additional offenses. Federal prosecutors in New York announced plans to request his extradition to face charges in seven US jurisdictions. But initially Chapa was granted an injunction preventing media extradition to the US. The injunction was rejected by Mexico City. Federal judge on the grounds that US officials had not formally requested his extradition for Mexico. On April seventeenth Mexico's attorney general stated that Mexico had no intention of extra dodging, Chapa, even if the US were to formally requested, and that Chapa should face charges in Mexico, which if serve consecutively could amount to between three hundred and four hundred years. Chapa had some breathing room against extradition, at least for now. On july. Sixteenth, two thousand fourteen it was reported that Chapo had organized a five day, hunger strike within the prison to draw attention to the prisons, rotten food, and lack of medical treatment. When reports of the strike, and the prisons, poor conditions became public, the Mexican government gave in to the prisoners demands. On September twenty fifth Chapo and his former business partner L mayors Imbaba were indicted, by the US district court for the eastern district of New York, on charges of conspiring to kill Mexican law enforcement officers government officials and members of the Mexican armed forces, and that they had ordered the murders of the chief of Mexico's organized crime division that chief of the arrest of vision of attorney general's office. And if several cartel, ladies and associates within the Juarez Tijuana, lost Zito's, and Bill Tron, life crime organizations. Chapa was also alleged to have used assassins to commit hundreds of acts of violence had overseen the transportation of multi ton shipments of drugs into the US and had learned more than fourteen billion US dollars in drug. Proceeds the US wanted Chapa extradited and they were turning up the pressure on Mexican officials to buckle Chapo feed. US extradition, moving anything. And now that he was facing that, oh, the prospect of dying in a Mexican prison. He would not go Megally. Chapo spent twenty three hours a day, alone in his cell, which was approximately seven feet wide by twelve loan. With two sets of sliding metal gates added security and to prevent inmates from seeing one. Another. The sale contained one concrete bed within mattress on top a shower. A toilet a concrete disc fixed to the wool and a concrete stool fixed to the floor. He received one hour of outdoor time h day in a secure area and confined to a cage by himself during his incarceration Chapa was allowed to receive visits from family members every non dies. But on the if approved by a judge. Full security. He was not allowed to participate in any sports or cultural, activities, and the prison guards within his so book where prohibited from speaking with him. On the evening of July eleventh, two thousand fifteen Chapa received he's regular daily medicine in he sell at around eight pm. The control room where prison staff monitor CCTV feed of Chapo sell observed nothing out of the ordinary for almost Allah. At eight fifty PM Chapa was set on his bed with what appeared to be a glowing screen on a table nearby. Although mobile finds tablets where prohibited. The rule was often not enforced. He then changed his shoes and was saying near the show area in the corner, if he sell at eight fifty two PM before he disappeared from view. After twenty five minutes past without any signs of movement prison. God's rushed to the cell. With no sign of Chapo, still, they opened the two sets of doors and made their way into the cell. At the base of the shower. A concrete slab abet twenty inches or fifty centimeters square in saws had been removed leaving a rough edged hole that led to a lotta a fix to show off that disappeared. Thirty feet below. Sixteen months ago almost immediately after Chapman had been arrested and remanded to the ultimate planet prison sin alot cartel associates had begun, planning and die Shas, rescue of the alita elaborate tunnels were nothing new for the crime syndicate, who had constructed the first cross-border nocco tunnel in nineteen eighty nine for years chapel had employed, experienced civil engineers to construct state of the tunnels, which the sinner alot cartel used more effectively than any other criminal group had before. Sinn alot cartel. Associates had purchased a piece of land in the nearby Santa, one eight two neighborhood, which lie about one point five kilometers almost one mile from the ultimate planet prison. Within the small field purchased builders had constructed the shell of a house out of cinder blocks which acted as cover for the covet. Operation. A team diggers first excavated vertical tunnel. Thirty feet dam would bracing the wall with wooden boards as they went. Once deep enough. The men began carving a tunnel horizontally towards the prison using heavy duty machinery, that was lowered into the spice using an electric winch. From here. The well, organized team used power spades and other tools to gal a five and a half foot high tunnel, thirty inches wide just what enough for a single man. The tunnel was lit up with electric lights and ventilated with a pay pot that ran the length of the passage. A generator at the building sought provided the electrician to the fluorescent laws and pumped air for the work below. A motobike was repurpose to run on metal rails through the tunnel. The front wheel had been removed and the bark was attached to a metal cart and had been customized to run by Ford and backwards along the track. This way, it could be used to transport tools and carried from the work face back to the entrance shaft. The electric winch would then hold the dirt to the surface, where workers would bag it to be removed from the sought by truck will spread out in the Jason areas and disposed. As they got closer to target. The dig is a luxury to have stopped using power tools to avoid noises, Ovar brations. That would give the operation away. Above ground. The ultimate planet prison used mock refunds and motion sensors to detect any subterranean movement that might indicate and escape attempt. The men took it in shifts so work continued, a round the clock since Tom was of the essence, there was no telling when Chapa could be moved to another facility or worse. Still extradited to the US. Using GPS and the skills of this civil engineers, the work has dug the tunnel until they were underneath Chapo cell. They tunneled thirty two feet upwards towards the metal grille in chapel. Shell bracing the shop, as they went. When all but the grill separated them from their boss, a friendly voice cold to Chapo, who changed his shoes and made his way to the twenty inch square hole in the shower base. He quickly made his way down the Shaath, and along the tunnel to the whiting modified motorbike jumped on and zipped down the almost one mile long riled trick. At the other end of the tunnel, he ascended, the thirty foot shoved into the construction zone, above and would have likely hurried pas tools. Buckets steel mesh a generator and hydraulic fluid bottles. Oh, us in the engineering feat that had just carried him to freedom. Once again, you're keen, El Chapo Guzman had slipped through the clutches of Mexican law enforcement and was out on the loose. Back in the US DA, and government officials was seething, Jack Riley, a senior special agent with the DA and the man, whose toss Kforced had helped Gile Chapa along with a litany of other kingpins, cold Mexican officials and demanded. They deploy a say my unit to recapture the fugitive. Seema is short for the secretary del. Marina or naval secretary at in English and is comprised of tactical fought is who are highly trained and considered broad proof? The escape of Chapa for the second time was breaking news, internationally and deeply embarrassing for the Mexican government. It quickly agreed to the demands agent. Raleigh might and dispatched one hundred Saimaa marines immediately. The Mexican government also contacted officials in Colombia to appeal for help the Colombian government sent twelve officials to assist in the manhunt, including two highly decorated offices, who had Mazda minded operations that had led to the dismantling of the Kelly cartel and managing cartel. Run by Pablo. Escobar. Using leads from the special ops group in Washington DC Mexican forces tracked the fines of nonsense, lower associates to pinpoint chapels movements to a handful of farms in la- tuna the community. He had grown up in. On October second two thousand fifteen as they prepared to rain, multiple properties. Authorities ordered to stand down. US actor Sean, Penn on an assignment from Rolling Stone magazine was in the la- tuna hills meeting with Chapa. Penn had arranged interview the drug Lord through Mexican actress Kate, dill, Custodio and facility hours. He spoke with the man himself to wreck. For the first time in his career Chapa acknowledged that he was a drug trafficker with I quote, fleet of nocco submarines airplanes, trucks, and boats that he used to supply more heroin, methamphetamine cocaine and marijuana than anybody else in the world. After pan del cassia returned from the visit same marines will order to ride the ranch where Chapa was thought to be Harding as they got close. They was spotted by Cielo bodyguards who exchanged heavy fire, we've marines and kicked off a week long siege. Eight of the gunman were killed, but Chapa was not among them. According to the attorney general of Mexico, a Saimaa marksman had had Chapa in his sods as he rent through gully carrying a small child. So as to obscure himself as a target. Although it had been a close Kohl Chapa had managed to slip the authorities yet again. According to the Mexican Ivy in light two thousand fifteen citizens reported armed people in a house in the coastal city of Los Mochis in northern Sinoloa. The property was placed under surveillance and agents observe the property was being highly renovated with large quantities of steel and concrete being delivered. They also intercepted communications that the property was being prepared for a visit from quote, grandma or aunt. Suspecting that this was code for a high level Sinoloa cartel. Target authorities remained vigilant and surveillance teams watched the property from across the street one not a white van was seen leaving the complex and one of the men closely resemble Chapa. Forces Lois to ride taught Hoed up ration- black swan on January two thousand and sixteen before dawn. As marine storms that property, a gun battle ensued between same marines and low a gunman the marines neutralize the threats room by room through a maze of reinforced doors. Five gunmen had been killed, and six were arrested during the right. With one marine wounded. The high level target was Chapa, but the marines learned he and Lieutenant had used an escape hatch below a closet to access a secret tunnel that led to the suicide. Whiting through THAAD date, putrid, water Chapa, and he's accomplice emerged one point five kilometers, or just under a mile away. Then stall vehicle at gunpoint and rice says through the town. Authorities issued a statewide alert for the stolen vehicle and in matter of hours, full federal police offices intercepted. The two men twenty kilometers, southeast Neva town of one Jose. Rios. Chapa tried to broad the offices. Offering them cash properties and jobs within his network when they refused. He told them, you are all going to die. After contacting superiors with photos of Chapo to confirm his identity. The offices were advised that forty assassins were on their way to free him, and that they should immediately make their way with the prisoners to a motel on the outskirts of town. Bunka down and white for reinforcements that were on route. Chapo continued toning. He's four captors as vehicles of perch, motel telling them that thion their families would be killed the taunting stopped abruptly. However, when it became apparent the vehicles belong to authorize. After being handed over to say, mom marines. Chapa was escorted to Las much airport and transported to Mexico City. He was presented to oppress contingent whiting at the airport before being flown by navy helicopter to the OT planet, prison the same facility. He had escaped from in July two thousand fifteen. Mexican officials began the full process of extradition to the US two days after Chapa was recaptured. He's lawyers, submitted numerous injunctions against the extradition. But they will dismissed. Baha BAAs, Chapo, still posed an ominous threat, as Mexican authorities. Well understood on October seventeenth two thousand sixteen. A federal judge involved in the extradition proceedings was at joking around an upscale neighborhood in Mexico City when an unidentified man approached him from behind put a gun tease head, and shot him at point blank range, the gunman was never caught. But Chapo associates were prime suspects for the murder. On January nineteenth two thousand seventeen Chapa was extradited to the US to face charges of drug trafficking with intent to distribute conspiracy association Olga gnaws crime against health money laundering homicide, a legal position of farms kidnapping and murder in Chicago Miami. And New York. Chapo pled, not guilty to seventeen in documents on January twentieth in the US district court of New York with the public's full attention stories of the drug lords perations and often brutal tactics emerged over the next ten months. I arguments in the trial began on November thirteenth two thousand eighteen and closing arguments took place on January thirty first two thousand nineteen the prosecution presented a case over ten weeks that detail multiple crimes. Drug Lord was alleged to have committed over the last thirty years. In total fifty six witnesses were called to the stand, including fourteen who had previously worked for the scene alot cartel directly with Chapa among the witnesses where he's chief cocaine supply in. Colombia be Szentes Imbaba the son of his business partner, L mayors and badeah his personal secretary and Pedrick Flora's one of the Flora's twins who he had shipped heroin to in Chicago. He's defense case lasted only thirty minutes and relied on convincing that jury that is now L, mayor Zimbardo was the real Sinoloa cut hill. Bus while Chapa was Melia scapegoat used to deflect attention and throw off the authorities. After the closing arguments twelve jurors who arrived at the court H day with an armed escort and who have remained honest during the trial would tossed with reaching a verdict. You'll keen Chapa Guzman, low era was found guilty. Baba jury on all counts on February twelfth. He will be sentenced on June twenty fifth two thousand and nine teen and he's expected to spend the rest of his days in jail.

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Ep024 Reaching Guadalajara, Part 2

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Ep024 Reaching Guadalajara, Part 2

"Once again, thanks so much for joining me today on grace and peace radio today I'm going to continue with part two of my interview Omar, who is serving in Guadalajara. Mexico and we're GONNA talk a little bit more about some of the things. We talked about in the first part of the interview. If? You haven't listened to the first part. It's okay. You don't have to listen to it in order to know about this part, enjoy this part for what it is, and then when you want to go back and listen to the previous episode and listen to what Omar has to say in part one. I think you'll really enjoy today's episode as well. It's It's not the same we go over different material. Think you'll really enjoy it. And other than that, keep looking to Jesus. I know the world just seems to be getting. Uber Crazy lately and I'm not going to into all of that, maybe on another episode, but then again maybe not. Just know every time you look up and you see the blue sky. You See a cloud passing by you. See the leaves on the trees, and you see the green and just everything. They're just let that be a reminder to you. You see the birds and everything in nature. Let that all be a reminder to you that the Lord. is still sovereign. That Jesus Christ is still Lord Still King. Still potentate over the whole universe and nothing that happens in this world is going to change that. If that means you got to spend less time looking at the headlines, then do it that means you gotta get off social media for a while or one particular social media. Do it whatever you gotta do. Keep focusing on the Lord and don't let any of that other junk, any of the headlines or whatever distract you from? From that in other words, keep the main thing the main thing. Meanwhile all the chaos in the world, there is something good going on. You say good what is that? The. Gospel is still advancing. That the message of Jesus Christ. The message that God himself in the form of a man came down fully God fully man live to perfect senlis life, so that he could then go to the Cross and die for his people atone for their sins, and then three days later be raised from the dead. To give us the same new life, and that we can share in that power, and we can have new life, and be cleansed, and be purified, and our sins forgiven our debts paid. We can be ransomed from sin and death. Through Jesus Christ. For All those who would call out repent and believe the good news of Jesus Christ. That message is still advancing. I don't know who exactly, but you know God has saved sinners yesterday God saved someone the day before God. Save someone the day before God's GonNa Save someone today and God's going to do it again tomorrow. So just know that being courage by. Stay in the word, stay in the scriptures, let's soak in the Bible. Take extra time if you need to A. In the mornings you know, definitely I highly recommend starting your day with it anyway starting to preach I, don't WanNA preach. My Point was that the Gospel goes forth and this interview. We're GONNA talk more about that with Omar. So hope you enjoy the interview God, bless you and Lord. Willing. I'll talk to you next week. Feel free to email me. Show at grace and peace radio DOT COM would love to hear from you if I can pray for you. Email me as well as show at grace and peace radio DOT com. If, you have an idea for the show. Send that along feedback whatever you want. Thanks so much for listening. God bless you. Welcome. Thanks for joining us for today's. I'm your host Anthony. Begin. With that, let's start the show. He working here. For many years ban years many years. There was little people converting before. It seems the now there's more people is commerical open for the most by the other. Is She was she came from us Maltau outside well heart. And she say. There there's a church is church their? Mom. was while I in the years that I people that was meeting when the church is not as. YOU RUN MOM She knew the Lauren. How does she compare dummy her this woman? She goes seek, so we roll. Who Were Hara? And they'll Mustang. Host was hospital heating world steelers is a goal Mexico. America is hosted on the West Bill by the. By the Salsa Baptist churches in the US so the ability hospital. and. This lady and then some missionaries stark. Who talked to her she will, he'll leave the hospital. Win Back because. The missionaries went to visit her, and then they went to the final. There was no. And so, that's the first. But these churches as It was really neat. Not Like how God use those the building down. There the all the weight. And the churches. Have you been churches there. So I. Really need this morning. What a great testimony to that! The the missionaries who started all of that? In Heaven. They'll find out that decades later. Their work continues. Yes work continues. Friend. He listened the US's Miami Heat. She's was excluding. He's not pass away. A was still believer. He became a believer us again after that. What would that we're were talking. On. This. is also very excited to do not. He got out. Answer the prayers of your that. Evening your US away he would. Really do you in that? Pray for use ovation. He's so really with a little the unseating. Wow like nick. He's down of subbed. Qaeda. Spray. Yeah I. Think I've heard that story. Of George Mueller had three friends that he prayed for his whole life like forty years or something, he prayed for their salvation. Two of them got saved before George Mueller died, and then one of them got saved after, so it's the same sort of story like you just told. Yep Yep, that makes sense. Yeah. You WanNa talk something. The worker. I tell your story but I. Don't know it. Is Okay for me. You helped me okay so. I mean I. I'm not I didn't mention it. To sound sensational or to try to you know, but again it was just something that we touched on earlier and so many people in America they they don't even think about spiritual warfare. You know I forget about it. May I mentioned before, but the main thing ever the Haas copy to me the. Something that is. Like? Difficult to describe. No mine was the first time when I went to Michelle's. A single. And saw the way cuss weedy initials in Lewis Way. It was no training. They're like we have now. You, have a calling. You learn as much you guard and boom. They send you A. Said Do. Have it's not the he's. There's nothing and so. One one nine, the night before I arrived to the mission field. I was like a couple of fired because I heartily my finally. There was a tiny girl. Die It with her. Friends there was a of the fight well. I went to bed. Sleep. What. Exactly. How was it was like three or something like real? At some point I so. I see I was sitting in my bed, allied the hoping like off from the loan. And there was a person in the light. I. Don't know. I didn't see his face. Will seek his face I beside smile. I. I knew that was this. On he came to me. Smile. And you know I wasn't missionary the nervous mile before. You go see my pictures before. Those years I was serious might be. Botham was. Alert Smile so he was. On I. Hear this worse in my heart. I believe for him, he say. No with philosophies. Is I don't know how to translate wake astuteness. Tricks! Of his by with lights on a boom, that life is A. Noah's LEX. Unless it the. Snakes they up to the Michelle. Fill the first moon where. I was longer I was. Bible Asu Priestess in the, church. He didn't physically help Yamba have worked. And the town who? Would always might. Go philosophy new tricks life on the Bloomberg Life. Life wounded life so. Hills me a lot. You gave me a lot of streams especially those first months. WHO The mission! To remember that and Thankful for? For that thing you know. Right right I just want to let you know that that's the main theme. The I ever happened to me. Let me ask you this. How do you reconcile an experience like that with your reformed Baptist faith that says. I mean I'm assuming you're secessionist. No No. Okay well, then there you go I, just answered my question. We need to define what. Means so and so in in a different role like. I was reading pulls for instance so one professor, sitting ninety stretching or when something? He was saying that for instance we those the. Like you still over the limit attendance. She was telling the we see sometimes. Will have some mark of being reformed. But the Linda. Has We know now is not the same way that for instance Jim. Who I mean green coloring. I e the cut. In the same way that we talk leave. So. He was saying something like we need to. We need to find what reform means wasn't by yeah. I know. and not a more than eight. No secessionists, person I'm wondering those no cessation newspaper. I just don't see in the Bible. United States Joseph but even though we need to what talk about what we talk about those Ursula I do think that Danish suitable. Were guys still kill people? You can do whatever he wants. PEOPLE STILL COP dot. But that doesn't mean that because they can be doing that. All the time is like just one Julie's everybody July's. People are very good at that. Call into that. So I do think that there is There is the same copy with oldest people gifts, but I do is that they are gives arnold in use. 'cause they used to be before. By still their residency the Bible. From my perspective, those gifts are older. I don't know Sunday. They will be activated. The nobody wants to. Know! I'M GONNA ask you to. You had mentioned that two percent of the population are are classified as Evangelical Christians. Yes all three percent. Yes, of those. How many would you say are? Solidly Evangelical versus how many are Pentecostal or Prosperity Gospel of? You have that. Is that a big problem there? When I say that three percents, my source is everything years. You makes going. Do a census. Everything. Yes, so that's my source. showed is like around two percents. Hoberman sigler a nickel altogether I these days. because. There is a sake here in. The heart is called Blue Moon but something like live the world. That's the. Other? And The postal. UNAI dressed up like he's just. But it will. So actually the percent. Does your Bob this. Or please be Tyrrhenian. Or Churches, not a slower is lower than. Two percent as low but also. This church is now. They they don't. They don't even say lays out these Byzantine they say. Communication. Community Blah Blah Blah something like that so. When the. Biblical theology. And, of course there is also there is so sabbatical stuff here by you know. What this no many pentecostal he'll. This places that there's no many usage polls that's. Interesting and I know that even even the Catholicism there is. Radically different than it is here in America, one of the things that the Catholic Church did over their history. was they let it get synchronized with wherever the whatever the culture was doing? In that area so. The Mexican version of Roman Catholicism. Very different than. Here in America. And so things. Is Different. It is no different in the sense that a couple of Sissel cuss us a whole dish. Allegation is by works. Yes, they saved by grace. They say by grace by these grenades. The you earn if you do soccer. Aggressive and so so that's worse, so that's the say in the US. Mixed people everywhere, but in the cultural aspect I think that maybe the high percentage of local churches in the US cuff influenced so we cut will extend as will not Wisconsin there that they were a little bit more. Than the Catholics can. Still say relations by grades log as but you got nickel diet right yeah. Okay. But kings much more control, much more syncretism. Are you say? Economy shocking for UH crystal. Basically in the US coming into Mexico to some places and see some of the things. That juicy here. Shocking but By the you check the doctrine specialization five dollars the same thing. Yeah. Yeah, the core of it is the same absolutely. I was thinking some of the cultural influences well like even the day of the dead or some I don't remember if it was a feast day or something, but you know where people were doing this long walk through town or something like that. Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's. A lot that's happening. Were living in the. US am either way if you ever gun permits or recommend you to. US An inch up. Down Chamula. Chamois is will know for the syncretism. They have a pimple. and. Let's let let's define for listeners. What syncretism is? Okay, well of. 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Venga, Venga!

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Venga, Venga!

"We're in business to save the planet and will use making close to do that for over forty five years. Patagonia has committed to taking responsibility for their impact on the environment by pioneering sustainable practices and inspiring other businesses to do the same the cure for depression action. Every one of us has to step up and do what you can. According to what. Your resources are patagonia in business to save our home. Planet join us. You're listening to the drawback production of duct tape and beer with additional support from who at racks because you love your bike and kicking horse copy. Wake up and kick pass a good morning cordelia. Happy thanksgiving happy thanksgiving. So i saw this quote floating around somewhere. Which is this is not the year you get everything you want. This is the year you appreciate everything you have. I would say that that hits twenty twenty on the head so to that end. I've got two questions for you today. Fits i what have you appreciated this year. a lot. I mean from a life work parenting personal level being honest about twenty twenty. It's it's been the most challenging year my life But i'm also day when i opened the newspaper. I'm super cognizant of how incredibly fortunate our family is for all the reasons right If i were to get a little bit more specific. I've been so grateful that bekker's accident wasn't as bad as it seemed at first She's making a full recovery so that that was a huge thing in my life this year. And i'm so grateful for our health you know Kids getting to watch them grow up on the daily which is which is kinda cool. It's been a little bit less hectic in certain ways in my life You know my community. We felt so lifted up when things were difficult for us that it didn't actually feel that difficult times and This podcast yeah but when Twenty twenty ends in like four to five months. I two five months was joking joke. It's a joke. Cornelius seriously. this this year will end in four five months. Don't worry about it next question. Okay what about those things that you wanted like. What are the sides of this year. That did feel disappointing to you. I think that's that's harder for me to talk about. I mean it could be like. Oh i didn't get to go on a trip in like i don't know i'm just not that worried about that I want my kids to be happy. You know. I want to be happy. I wanna be happy Particularly with my kids right Know it's a big issue with their youngest wiley but for tap. It's been more of a thing i mean. Given given the circumstances. I sort of had to accept that. I'm not totally in charge of that. That you know tips world is has changed you know. And he's spending his days on the never ending. Zoom call called school and out to all the teachers out there. Because i know it must be so rugged on the other end of that You know he's pretty limited social activities in you know we've got into new restrictions and basically the little bits that he did have vanished groundhog day for him right now and and like my my heart goes out to him Like even like you know we we've been getting like library books you preserve them online you drive thru you get like an appointment. You pick them up. And he's like fist pumping psyched when that he's like yes new box. And you're like that's wonderful. But i'm done reading but it's maybe like a little bit out of proportion. I normally like normal library trips Yeah so what have you been doing to try to keep him sane You don't it's funny I've been doing what kept missing in happy through so many parts of my life And i've been taking climbing I am pretty cognizant that just because i love something doesn't mean my kids should or will You know in the past. He's if he psyched. We go Camping with a bunch of family. I'll take on the kids top roping but you know outside of like a trip or two a year. He hasn't shown a lot of like excitement in climbing. Like he's way more psyched on skiing or biking or hiking in the outdoors. Like he didn't like that totally cool this year during the fall though it was like we just need something to to sort of break the monotony of his world and give him some any kind of like look forward to to basically once a week we were. We were doing that in the last few months And for me climbing is something. I worked really hard at like. I gave a lot of myself. Put a lot of energy into it to become to excel at it. Become good at it. It was great at it. But i was pretty competent. Pretty good Into like i know a lot about this board. I know from like the technical sides. And i've just been go. I've just been doing my best to just let him do what he wants with climbing. Like if you want to hang upside down like a wrecking ball from a rope. Go for it did you wanna you wanna leave to the next hole. Go for it. You want to do the same route over and over again hell. Yeah i think in normal time so many kids are being put into climbing as a sport like the way they would soccer that it's like something to succeed in that it's a team and and that's not how i discovered it. I got to discover it outside of competition or athletic. Excellence and right now. With wwe trips i want to say to tap like hey. This is climbing. Do what you want with it. It doesn't come with any rules or instructions. If you don't want it to just let it make you smile today. We have a story about that sense of discovery. And the places it can take you. It's kind of wonderful. I'm fits kahal. I'm cordelia czars. Actually quick question is that working with trump. it's bright spot and that's all it needs to be right now. Good you're listening to the dirtbag eiriksson one fall afternoon. Fifteen-year-old fernando rodriguez and her sister went for a walk in the woods outside their neighborhood in guadalajara mexico when they rounded bend on the trail. Fernande noticed a group of people gathered around iraq in. I said to my sister. Did you see these guys are like doing something in iraq and my sister she has. They are wall kaeding. They rock in. We didn't know. Even these were climbing. Within our anything of about cloudy and i was shocked at fernanda and her sister gazed at the group of climbers mesmerized. They slowly inched closer until they could trace every movement with there is one of the boulders notice fernandes enter sisters staring at them through the woods he hollered over and invited them to join and my sister. And i see other diego. I my sister. Say i and i say sakon fernanda who also goes by feddie approach the rock and the group of climbers timidly. She asked where to start and they helped her find holds and place her feet and hands on the boulder. I consider myself very lucky. Humanity feddie tried a few moves and the climbers coached and encouraged her. The feeling of being on the rock was something she'd never felt before climbing. Brought me to these amazing feeling of freedom. I love me to feel the control of my life in be responsible for my on the station's climb being take me to this instinct like mile like moving around the threes. The rock in. It's show me a world of possibilities in one really happy. World for nando had grown up in a small apartment with her four brothers and sisters mom and dad for me to be at child was like just be a quiet person and joe saw playing with my brothers and sisters and there were no chance to like olympic. Did nasty girl. Some females used the magic myself as a great athlete. When i was a child but for the moment financially wasn't enough first of all my parents were worry about feeding me. All the focus were in the pay for expenses of the house. Then everything else was held luxuries even take him vacations. Where now the parl Tamila plan growing up in a crowded apartment. Fernanda relished the chance to get outside even for a walk. She loved the feeling of moving along a trail of breathing. The fresh air and listening to the birds. It gave her a space to wander and daydream when fernando was growing up in the nineties and early two thousands not a whole lot of infrastructure existed in mexico for girls to play sports especially girls from low income neighborhoods in guadalajara. So fatty used her walks in the woods to connect to her body and fantasize about becoming a professional athlete so when she set her hands on a boulder for the first time something clicked. I started feeling something inside me. Like a flame while sleep in my heart. After that first day fernanda came back to the boulder every day after school and every weekend through practice her body began to understand the rock the dance of balance strength and mental control. I never went to the climbing gym. Guess i have no idea that exists instead. Fernanda found her strength on the vertical faces of elephant. It's famous in mexico for its granite walls. Perfect for bouldering. Sport climbing as a teenager feddie started to build friendships with the older climbers who frequented the area soon. She began tagging along with them to sport. Climb walls in the area. Her sister started climbing too. And the pair of them up to each other on bigger and bigger walls. As the months went by. I was attended the high school from seven to to an after i straight to the rocks to climbing from to get to the world from three to a clark maybe yes is paying all the evening in iraq just for fun just because i really love this sansa there and being there just climbing or not. Just spend my time there. In the forest in the nature fernanda had never felt so strong happy and connected with nature. She switched over to spanish to explain in more detail which she'll do a couple more times in the story the only gonna feel shut If when i say connection with nature i mean the conversation. I have with myself with my own nature because when you're on the mountain you're hearing the river you're hearing the birds. It's all part of listening to your own being as it calls to you. It's listening to everything that connects you in that moment. To a state of flow is a lot is. Does your in more mental because timing is a meditation and movement. It's a way of enjoying the present moment and climbing brings me into the president may start britian. Fernandez family didn't know what to make of her new activity. My family i think. Just be careful careful if you die. I don know what happened after so. It's your responsibility. if you fall. Or if you break your arm or a bone saw just dunk cry and be responsible and i say things for the vice and thanks for the support and to be honest. My mom and my dad dossier know about climbing. 'cause they thug was just walking walking in the mountain. And they didn't know about anything else and endowed days. I didn't bring any picture any fata already. Bdo kasai didn't hobbit cell phone or a camera. i asked fernando. Her family said when she came home with scrapes and dirt on her hands. I know i use to wash my hands before. Because if i came home super theory maybe they just say to me. Stop to do this. Kizer super thirty girl. And i say okay i maybe i just wanna wash my hands and do some laundry before that i i used to worry about that. Kiss my parents where alike where you doing. Where to beam. They had no idea. Fernando didn't want to risk being forced to give up her new passion it was her way of rebelling of escaping to a space that made her feel empowered and joyful despite her family's poverty and despite a culture that discouraged girls from playing sports so she kept her little secret to herself disappearing into the woods and coming home with a proud grin and freshly washed hands but as she climbed more fernandez body begins take different shape and that was harder to hide from her family and friends when i was a child. Iowa's out like super skinny girl in a why nice tar climbing i started doing loss wholesaling saying my in my body and people say what are you doing are two weightlifting or something. Like that and i say no. I'm out rod climate. Are you up. Lean down no. I'm rock climate. I'm going up and they say is your body is like a man's body fernanda adored the way climbing made her feel but as a teenage girl. The commentary about her changing body didn't fail to affect her. Its ports where just farrah man am five. Girls were just skinny. Girls and dancers are just Regular type of body in for me was iowa's the first generation of climbers in mexico. The curls look like what are you doing drew looks like almost a man and i was like. Oh my god. One day i came home a nice see myself in the mirror and they think about it. And i maybe i have to stop it. Fernanda for the first time felt shame for her bulging shoulders and calloused hands. She wondered if maybe she taken this dream too far. But i say to myself from now is just stop to climb. Stop to be happy. Joe's don her about it and keep doing to really love to do which is climb for. Nando cast aside the expectation society for her as a girl and continue to climb steadily for the next several years at that time. Fernando only knew of four other girls who climbed in her home state. She got to know more people mostly guys in the climbing community around guadalajara and they helped push her near the end of high school. Fernanda heard about a bouldering competition happening close to one of her friends and climbing mentors nudged fernanda into signing up the competition had three categories beginner intermediate and advanced when fernanda to list her name. The beginner category. She saw all the slots were full. The only option left was to sign up in the advanced category. She'd be competing on bowler. Problems rated v six and v twelve and in advance. We were like seven girls. Always save in in all around mexico. Fernanda chalked up and told herself to try our best even though she figured she didn't really have much of a shot in the advanced category. I want the second place. Yes and the first one was one of the best climbers in mexico cherished seila and she won the first place the second place prize gifted a month free at a climbing gym. A pair of climbing shoes and a harness fernanda had never had the money to climb at a gym or to buy any of her own gear. So she was over the moon. I felt super capi. And i say okay i one. I've got the next competition and maybe the price is going to be a row. At gregory are quick gross in. I can't happen my our equipment for climbing. Because i don't have money for by clement and i start to think about serious civility for being a professional climber and i this i okay. This is my chance. I see a chance for me that they inspired by that first competition outside guadalajara. For nanna set her sights on becoming a professional climber. She knew that she had the determination and skill to reach her goal. The factors limiting her growth would just be time and money. Even when i was in the school. I've been climbing and i've been working at the same time in wine. Finally i finished highschool. I am star working at plaza. Celine shoes and i was terrible. Terrible job is was super bowl and like time job and i. It's not my goal to be here and just thinking about climbing and just contacting the hours for going out. I missed star working for like tremont and then after skipped and describing and then when they morning ends i back to work after her job in the plaza fernanda rotated between waitressing painting houses and washing dishes even with her hectic schedule. Fernanda started winning competitions. Her gear collection grew and her confidence and comfort on the rock skyrocketed. She started competing in more elite tiers and focused on a disciplined training regime soon. She decided to participate in a series of competitions that allowed her to qualify for the federation of climbing in mexico. A national team. Sport climbers supported by the mexican government. She hoped the federation would begin. Sponsoring her as a full time athlete if she climbed well enough in the coming years with your peers on the team. Fernandez started training more in climbing gyms and traveling around mexico for indoor competitions. She didn't get outside as much anymore but she reasoned it was the price you had to pay to set yourself up for professional climbing career gala. Is ill memento in those split. Us more remain thoughts and then he climbing is about the movement and the movements or more or less the same whether it's in a gym or on a rock outside but the feeling changes ally. Climbing outside is a feeling of frito. It's a feeling of connection with mother. Earth and with our own beings. Look so i miss most and for me. Climbing in a gym takes away that feeling of freedom and focuses more on the elements of training and discipline. Because that's what. I was seeking an evolution on my career as a rock climber climbing in a gym. We'll never give me the same feeling of freedom as climbing outside on the rocks. No matter whether that la libertad kimmy is cala. So fatty gave up her sunsets and fresh air for more time to train in the gym. Her eyes set on sponsorship after many years of working part time training and traveling with her team to competitions for nancy competed for the mexican team in a circuit of world cup qualifiers in two thousand twelve. The competitions began at the regional level and then advanced a state and national championships. The climber to win the most points over the competition would have the chance to represent mexico in the twenty twelve bouldering world cup in vail colorado. At twenty four years old fernanda won the entire series. She looked to the federation hopeful. Her win would merit sponsorship but the federation which only receives a small sum of money from the mexican government. Each year only had enough to buy fernandes flights to america fernanda took what she could get. She figured maybe she performed. Well enough unveil. She earned another shot at proving talent and getting sponsored to climb fulltime after the break fernanda had sta vail. Stay with us. Support comes from good people at patagonia. Alex never met a route. Couldn't climb in short order until he encountered bibliography and undone sport line french super crag say use. It's one of the sweetest sweeps of limestone in the world. I tried throughout in two thousand seventeen. It became a three year long project over that time. He encountered doubts injuries. All five to the olympics and it wasn't until the shutdown cove megan's returned to see us hardest routes ever climbed cured fifteen. It's crazy climber. Here's you can watch the film brought punk bibliography on patagonia's youtube channel. Starting november eighteenth additional support comes from king horse. 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As you sized up the competition. I knew immediately that it will be difficult race for me at that point. If i really wanna conquer want super feigel which is The win one of this competitions with one boy only exceptional and she looked around the room a lot of sponsored athletes. Their job was to train with her work schedule. Fernando was lucky to get three or four days of training in every week after completing six buller problems in the first round fernanda came in twenty fourth place. Vale is a global draw among the six women and men podium finishers to would go onto qualify for the olympics nina williams who's one of today's leading outdoor climbers. She came in twenty fifth. Being twenty four. Th in the world without sponsorship is incredibly impressive but fernanda. It was a huge disappointment in the west super far away from from the first place and i say no furniture that this is not for you. I feel sat about my results. And i see all my disipline before the competition that i say it's not enough for me and i do my best. I think i happen. Not chance at this point of my life. I can't go to work in just five like three or four days just for training and i see my gold super far away from me. I saw these girls in the podium super far away from the possibilities from my own training and firm i economic situation to be honest i was was kind of like break heart. Fernanda had hoped that if she reached the podium unveil she'd get sponsored to climb professionally. That was the life she dreamed of. Since she was fifteen years old but unveil she realized that becoming top athlete in this field meant a few things training full-time and traveling to more competitions and she couldn't afford to do either while it's great to be there and was the m permit Disheartened fernanda flew back to her home. In mexico. she looked back on the thousands of hours of training the discipline. The exhausting schedule the dreams. She'd set her mind to since she was a girl and wondered what had all been four. She felt like crying and for the first time since she was a teenager. She thought maybe she should quit. Where had rock climbing gotten her anyway. Fernando closer is and let her mind settle. I see myself in that clear space and i say okay rhonda watts knicks and for a long time i was trading we the very clear objectives might challenge our was Weena competition get on the podium with the mexican flag and represent my country with pry fernanda realized then that for competitions for so long all inside. Jim's had letter away from the way she used to interact with the sport connected to nature connected to herself. She pursued sponsorship for so long that she'd forgotten what it felt like to traipse through the woods after school klima wall and watch the sunset. I this high of return to their rocks and rock climbing with the same passion that experienced it on my bur fares they climbing and their rog being in the mountain and doing what. I liked the mosque climbing for climbing for fun for free for myself. I decide to read the rag my goals to find my to purpose in life. No mexican woman has climbed by fourteen. You can be. The first fernandez started working in a gym. In monterey another city about ten hours northeast of guadalajara teaching children the basics of climbing and her off time she began researching five fourteen routes in mexico. It's hard is one of the most popular places in the north of mexico and this beautiful line it's called the h. Bomb is one of the most popular f. i. Fourteen in mexico. And i say i remember going try. H-bomb is a to pitch five fourteen face. Climb at a limestone crag called la cueva in l. salt though it's famous for the giant h shaped hole halfway up the wall as well as it's very textures and holds when fernando set out for her first training mission in el salto couldn't get over. How good it felt to be back outside requires o other than is is next year. I remember coming back to that. Feeling of connection connection with nature and connection with myself. I felt myself settle into a state of flow. Finally i was in a place where there weren't all these rules. Like the were in the competitions. About what you can and can't do and those must Rock everything is more freestyle on the rock. Everything is more personal. So that reinvigorated. My passion for the sport tableware may as impede posture for the report. Fueled by her new mission. Fernando recreated the sequence of the crux in her climbing gym and worked on the moves every day after work on weekends. She practiced on the rock. After a month of training fernanda packed up gear and headed to el salto on an evening in october. She and three of her friends hiked the thirty minute approach into the canyon and camped out under the stars. Fernando was too excited to sleep that night at six the next morning. She unzipped her sleeping bag. Did some stretches and rub their hands together to warm up. She stepped into her harness and proper gear. After a few deep breaths fernanda started up the route. I say to myself i just go do your best and models. If you folger's gopher her friends tutor on from the ground shouting bingo bingo. Which means come on. Come on the first. Part of the route is pretty tranquillo. Just a five eleven plus no big deal so she used the i ten meters to wake up her muscles. She felt good connected in the first part. But you have the arch. And then it's like kind of traverse at the top of that first section fernanda rested with a knee bar in the big eight shaped hole. She took a few breaths and stared up at the first crux. It's a short section. Just seven meters and rated a v ten boulder problem at that cracks per find. It's kind of like sites lice to reflect fled size in a little bit auber han pinches to pass after the crux fernando sped through the next fifteen meters until overhang where she rested again before taking on the third section feddie had memorized or sequence to get through the technical five twelve plus climbing. I asked for none of what she thought about as she climbed. I've used thinking about. I want to be the school to be honest. The was my purpose. But at the same time i was in the road feeling the moves just feeling myself and in iowa super focus on my process and i i was super happy to be again in their rocks after just twenty five minutes. Frenetic pulled herself through the final move and touch the top of the route. When i got to the top. I was like i don't know how explained like i was like in ecstasies. I was like in a dream. Lena team i couldn't believe it in iowa like this is real. Yes it's real inch you are no pomp yours. Completely arresting in the ride sports and i was super super happy about it indefinitely. I say to me for these. This is the this defer assistant as a comedian. So this is the kind of the beginning. This is the beginning. This is the beginning. This is the beginning of your life. In twenty twelve fernanda became the first mexican woman to climb a five fourteen. Route reaching the top of the pitch. That date lit a fire in her heart. Much like the feeling she'd gotten the very first day. She discovered climbing all those years ago that they climbing reminds me that all i need to do it's be happy. Be confidence in through that things for me. If i going to do something has to be just for me and for inspire authors in a good way in feeling that freedom that opens my mind opens my heart to reconnect. Why i'm a rock climber. When i was thinking about this. I remember this. Sarah gazon by jimmy cliff. It's called you can get it if you really. It's a nice dog. it's oregano And say you can get it if you really want. Just just do most try. Try and try. Try and try and something like that. But it's really cool. Saw ragavan the passion for what we love to do or purpose in life is stronger than any economic limitations so money. It's not a -scuse without climbing. She's not sure she would have learned how to turn the obstacles in your life into stops lomas. Import dante kim. Golob athough is for me. The most important thing that climbing has taught me is the importance of honesty to be honest with oneself and teach others in life. We have to push ourselves harder to reach goals in climbing. Always gives us the opportunity to fall and get up. Get up guy. Edna's eleven cardinals. I feel very blessed to have been a woman and to be mexican and every time that somebody came to me and asked me for advice. Say climb on. Tv your reach your goals be strong. M be very very brave. Think you fernanda for sharing your story. Today from senator. Jason chakai angle kevin mccloud brennan o'connell tracks courtesy the artists free music archive jacob. Bain and these koto composed our theme song. You can find links. The artists at our website dirtbag derry's dot com is episode was produced translated by cordelia czars and edited by becca. Call voiceovers by ashley lane holes illustration by walker call graphics by anya miller special. Thanks to fernandez friends. Ruben danielle marianna and rodriguez for their zeke during the episode and haley stryer for recording. I call our executive producer. I'm fiscal hall. You've been listening to the dirtbag dairies. Thanks for tuning in.

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Kingpins Daily: El Chapo

Kingpins

06:14 min | 1 year ago

Kingpins Daily: El Chapo

"This is kingpins Opoku Original I'm Alistair and I'm kate every day in May we're featuring a quote by an iconic crime figure teaching us in their own words what it takes to survive in the world today. We're taking a look at a quotes from Joaquin El Chapo Guzman. The once lead of the Sinoloa content in Mexico Gu's Mon- used his crime syndicate to sell billions of dollars worth of drugs. Boys one step ahead of the police. Goose Mon- escaped jail twice bride politicians and shed the blood of allies and foes alike in light of this. It's ironic that the notorious drug lord once said I know one day I will die. I hope it's a natural causes. Guzman allegedly said this to actor Sean Penn. During a secret interview for Rolling Stone Magazine Guzman supposedly wanted a Hollywood film to be written about his life. It's not surprising. Gu's mom believed his life was worthy of the big screen after all his rise in the world of narcotics has been nothing short of cinematic Guzman was introduced to the drug trade early. He was born in. Nineteen fifty seven in La Tuna a rural town in Mexico. Though his claimed to be a simple farmer it's widely believed that he grew opium poppies by nineteen seventy the fifteen year old guzman was farming marijuana alongside his cousins at only five foot six is small stature earned him the nickname. El Chapo which is Mexican slang for shorty dues. Mon- didn't let his ambitions mirror his size in the late. Nineteen Seventy S. He grabbed onto the opportunity to work for Miguel on. Hell sciutto widely known. As the godfather of Mexico's first nationwide drug operation the Guadalajara Cartel Fedex put goose man in charge of smuggling logistics. Who's Mon- proved himself to be a ruthless taskmaster? He went as far as murdering employees. If ever they were late with deliveries this show of strength paid off in spades when feliks was arrested in nineteen eighty nine a thirty two year old. Guzman received a choice piece of the former drug lords territory. With his little slice of North West Mexico secured Guzman's set up his own operation. Everything about the Sinoloa cartel was innovative and Malton. He sets up complex underground tunnels to ferry drugs across the border. Earning him millions of dollars and attention from officials in both the United States and Mexico in nineteen ninety three after the highly publicized death of a Catholic cardinal who was caught in a drugged. Her for the thirty six year-old Guzman was blamed. He was arrested in Guatemala and sentenced to twenty years in prison. However the entire time guzman mom was in jail. He lived like a king. Bribing God's so he could receive conjugal visits on-command then when he got forward in two thousand one. He broke out of prison. Legend states that he snuck count in a laundry cart. Journalists believed that he more likely just salted out his path cleared by the many gods. He bribed in two thousand nine eight years. After breaking out of jail sinoloa cartel was doing better than ever this led to fifty two year-old Guzman landing on Forbes list of the world's richest people the magazine stated that he was personally worth one billion dollars. You didn't get there without a little brutality. To hold onto his empire the drug lord is to have personally tortured and murdered his rivals and even though he was arrested again. By Marines in two thousand fourteen. The stone cold killer escaped once more a little over a year later in July. Two Thousand Fifteen as he got older without ever facing real consequences for his crimes his hubris increased. That's what led him to consent to an interview by Hollywood actor Sean Penn. It's rumored that his communications with pen were traced by Mexican authorities ultimately leading to his capture. Guzman was extradited to the United States. Where he face charges of drug trafficking intend to distribute money laundering and homicide during the Eleven Week. Trial even more disturbing revelations about Guzman surfaced. According to a BBC Article One witness told the court that Guzman had buried demand alive. Another told of a rival NOCCO chief who refused to shake goosebumps hand and paid for it with his life. Court papers also accused him of raping girls as young as the team calling them. His vitamins ultimately Guzman was found. Guilty of ten counts including charges of narcotics trafficking. He was sentenced to life in prison. This means that Guzman likely will die of natural causes just as he wished. Thanks for listening. This was our last daily episode. But we'll be back next Friday with another full length episode. You could find more episodes of kingpins for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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"The Lord of the Skies" Pt. 1: Amado Carrillo Fuentes

Kingpins

42:06 min | 2 years ago

"The Lord of the Skies" Pt. 1: Amado Carrillo Fuentes

"Hey howell. Did you know that kingpins is part of an incredible collection of Stitcher premium offerings? Yes, I did. That's where everyone can find Ed free archives of kingpins episodes that are more than six months old. But did you know that in addition to add archives of every park has show you get original Stitcher content. Full length comedy albums, bonus episodes and average archives of other exclusive podcasts if you find yourself listening to more and more podcasts a subscription to Stitcher premium is a great way to get content. You can't get anywhere else for a free trial. Go to Stitcher premium dot com slash par. Cast and use promo code par cast that Stitcher premium dot com slash par cast and use promo code par. Cast. Have you checked out the podcast original not guilty yet? If you haven't you should give it a listen, it examines controversial criminal cases and tries to determine why solid evidence doesn't always lead to a conviction. It's the perfect podcast. If you love true crime stories with huge twists and turns search for in subscribed to not guilty on Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. And please don't forget to rate and review. Due to the graphic nature of this kingpins crimes. Listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of murder and assault that some people may find offensive we advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. Amata Correa was nervous. The feeling was uncharacteristic for him. He had rubbed elbows with some of South America's most feared drug kingpins, and he had a reputation as a brutal boss himself. He paced through his remote safe house waiting for a call from the federal police commander the wheels were in motion. But he couldn't be sure the job would actually be completed every knock at the door startled. A motto. He knew the cost if the plan failed if his mentor, and friend Pablo Costa survived the attempt on his life. He wouldn't just have a motto killed. He would make him suffer a motto hoped. It wouldn't come to that. And as soon as the phone rang. He knew it wouldn't Pablo Costa was dead. Struck down in a ninety minute firefight with Mexican police. A motto was safe, but more important. Really he was one step closer to securing his control over the warez cartel with warez within reach a motto set his sights on an even bigger territory the skies. I'm how will heart and I'm Kate Leonard and this is kingpins on the park cast network. Every Friday, we journey inside the ranks of organized crime rings from street gangs to mafia SOS to understand how a kingpin or Queen pin rises to the top of the underworld. And why they fall as we follow the lives of infamous crime bosses will explore how money and power changed them. And how it changed the community around them. This is our first episode on a motto Correo, Flint is a Mexican narcotics. Trafficker who made over twenty five billion dollars smuggling drugs between the early nineteen eighties and the late nineteen ninety s his leadership helped usher in the modern era of Mexican drug trafficking park, oust we're grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do. We love let us know how we're doing reach out on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at parkas network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. It really does help us. We also now have merchandise head to par cast dot com slash merch. For more information. A motto could've lived anywhere by nineteen Ninety-four. His narcotics trafficking had already given him more wealth than he ever could have dreamed estimates had him bringing in tens of millions of dollars per week. But there was something about the village of Gwamaja Alito the sleepy mountain village of his youth that appeal to a motto it was a far cry from the lavish livings of many of his Mexican drug Lord peers, he lived modestly in an unassuming single family home without even the luxury of swimming pool to cool off during the notoriously hot summers. In fact, the only indications that the village played home to one of the richest men in North America was the string of expensive Lincoln town cars Chevy station, wagons and dodge pick-ups parked out front. Well that in the parade of armed guards, constantly, roaming the. Rounds in the evenings Amato would tend to his chicken coop and Milt the dozens of cows he kept on the property. These simple joys distracted him from the stresses of running the Juarez cartel an operation, so large and profitable. It could have made the fortune five hundred. That's not to say a motto didn't allow himself some extravagances every week. He would board one of his private charter jets and fly from the quiet Gwamaja Lito countryside to his mansion in the city of Maceo located in the Mexican state of Sonora a fleet of seven forty sevens was his pride and joy amassing such an air fleet would have been impossible for anyone else. Only a motto with his unmatched government connections could fly around in decommission jumbo jets without having them seized by the federal police, the planes were more than mere luxury to a motto. They can. Firm the nickname the DA had taken to calling him the name that so many Mexicans would come to fear Il Signor daylight, ceelo's the Lord of the skies in February nineteen ninety five. A motto arrived at is Emma CO palace to find a raging party already in full swing. A motto always allowed some of his men to stay there while he was away the house was so massive it seemed a waste to leave it on occupied to call air mobile home. Mansion would be a disservice with its imposing ten foot stone, walls and spiraling towers, the place looked more like the Taj Mahal than a Mexican drug villa? Amato dressed in a cowboy hat, a designer shirt and cowboy boots to match was not here to party. He looked back fondly on his years spent guzzling, tequila and smoking crack with his mentor Pablo Costa, but those days were behind. Him tonight. He had business to take care of a motto gathered his top lieutenants in called meeting the issue on the table. The Colombians were hassling him for more money since the death of its leader. Pablo Escobar in nineteen Ninety-three the meta gain cartel had fallen from its place atop the South American cocaine trade, but a motto still had to rely on their protection if he wanted to move any cocaine out of Colombia and protection didn't come cheap each month. A motto sent somewhere between twenty to thirty million dollars to the Medellin cartel to ensure their cooperation for a while that was just the cost of doing business. He would rake in twice that much in a week. If none of his shipments got seized at the border, but the cartel kept asking for more and more. And it was getting a little out of hand to add insult to injury. A motto had just learned that Al. Bertaud Ocho a Soto. A high ranking member of the Mehdi in cartel had been moving cocaine within the Juarez city limits without a mottos permission. If they wanted to work in a motto territory, they should be paying him for protection. A motto had learned a great deal from his many kingpin mentors. And the cardinal rule was to never let yourself be taken advantage of Albert Tokyo was about to return to Sudan. Whereas after a short stint in Texas prison in a motto wanted to give him a welcome. Nobody would soon forget in February of nineteen ninety-five Chila was released from prison. He was driven to the border crossing at the Stanton street bridge in Paso, where he met his attorney Tarzan Navarro as Osho has stepped out and crossed the border into warez Ocho. It took a moment to savor his return to Mexico. But before he could even get into his attorney. Car a Chevy suburban screech to a halt next to him several men with Mexican federal police credentials hopped out the shadow Chohan, his lawyer into the Suburbans back seat before they could even yell for help few miles away a motto Korea and his men pulled to a stop just off desert road. They cut their engines shut off their headlights and waited Amata work as usual urban cowboy attire dressed for a night on the town. He was in a good mood for a man on his way to kill someone the Chevy suburban pulled up after only a few minutes any longer and a motto might have gotten worried nights. Like tonight were how wars were started or avoided only time would tell a motto waited for the Mexican federal police to get out of their car. They shove Chohan as lawyer out of the backseat bags over their heads. A motto didn't just. Kill cho- outright. He let him plead for a while until the desperate Colombian revealed the location of the secret cocaine stash he'd hidden in Juarez with that a motto finish the job when it was done. He boarded a flight back to his air Maceo palace. The next morning in a storage locker just outside the city limits. A motto located chose secret stash twenty two tons of packaged cocaine with the value of roughly three billion American dollars. The million cartel would not be happy about chose disappearance. He was the unto obvio- or hey and wanna chill Vasquez. The three brothers who were running the median cartel after Pablo Escobar death. And a motto would be a prime suspect in the sudden disappearance Amato's closest advisers suggested he send the three billion dollars worth of cocaine back. Back to meta yin as a show of good faith. He needed the Colombian cartel for their cocaine the many gain cartel needed a mottos distribution channels just as well. If they wanted to move their drugs into America, which is exactly why a motto sent the Ocho brothers a message claiming. Yeah, had nothing to do with their disappearance as for the three billion dollars worth of cocaine perhaps there had taken off with the drugs himself if anyone in met again had any other ideas about what might have happened. They knew where to find him. A motto wasn't hiding. He knew there was no way that what remained of the Medea in cartel could challenge his air and ground forces not with the motto support from the Mexican federal police and national government both of which regularly received donations totaling upwards of twenty five million dollars. Fob yellow chose is. Response came back only days later, he wrote what has happened happened. We feel for our untimely death. Perhaps it was bad luck. Perhaps it wasn't in any case. We're not interested in revenge. There was no longer a question about who is the most powerful narcotics trafficker in Latin America Pablo Escobar and the Medein cartel had had their time the nineties belong to the Juarez cartel and Amato Correo Flint is when we come back. We'll look at how a motto Correo outpaced his mentors to become one of the most brutal narcotics traffickers in Mexican history. You have the suspect's fingerprints at the crime scene. You have witnesses testifying that they saw the suspect commit the crime. The suspect has a motive it's an open and shut case. Or is it each week the park cast original not guilty examines? Controversial criminal cases and tries to determine why solid evidence doesn't always lead to a conviction. What police considered compelling evidence against Casey Anthony in the disappearance of her daughter Kayleigh defense attorneys classified as fantasy forensics, and she was ultimately acquitted of Keighley's murder. Amanda Knox served four years in an Italian prison for murder before later being acquitted was the media portrayal of knocks the profile of a killer or a televised character assassination and sometimes jurors are responsible for wrongful convictions. As was the case. When the central park five were convicted despite DNA evidence showing none of the suspects were involved. Search for in subscribed not guilty on Spotify. Or wherever you listen to podcasts. Again, searched not guilty or visit par cast dot com slash not guilty to listen now. Now back to the story. Amato Correo went as was born in Guam Toledo in the state of Cinna Loa, Mexico Sinoloa is in many ways, the birthplace of Mexican dope trafficking. It was the third leg in what some call the Mexican golden triangle where the overwhelming majority of the country's marijuana and opium crops are produced. A motto Correa was just one of the infamous drug lords to be born and raised in sin Loa, including Pedro, AVI. Liz Perez considered the first Mexican marijuana trafficker and what Keane goose mom aware. No now is the emphasis El Chapo, a motto was born on December seventeenth nineteen fifty six and there remains almost zero record of the next twenty five or so years of his life. Some reports claim he was one of fourteen children, but American intelligence puts that number at closer to eight or nine he claimed to have worked as a federal in. Agent for five years, which may or may not be true. He did have a police badge. But half the drug traffickers in Mexico had faked. Police badges we do know how a motto I came to be involved in Mexico's criminal underworld, his uncle air Nesta fund Secca Correo also known as Don Netto introduce the twenty something year old motto to the narcotics trade somewhere during the late seventies uncle or Nesto was one of the leaders of the Guadalajara cartel in the late nineteen seventies R Nesto along with his partners, Rafael Caro Quintero and Miguel Felix guy Ardo rose to prominence as Mexico's preeminent heroin exporters. A motto wanted desperately to get involved in his uncle's operation in Guam Alito, drug trafficking was the only way to earn real money. But family are not air. Nesta wasn't about to hand over the keys. As to the kingdom to some ambitious kid who didn't know what he was doing. He sent a motto south to the state of Zaka Tecos where he was put to work tending some of the Guadalajara cartels marijuana fields. It was grunt work. But a motto took the job seriously. He woke up early each morning criss crossing the vast field twice before the morning sun, even rose on the horizon Amato was obsessive about his crop not so much because of any predilection for botany. But because he realized that this was his uncle's idea of an apprenticeship his hard work paid off as the seventies drew close. A motto began his ascent up the criminal ladder Amato's. First promotion was far from glamorous he was tasked with loading hundred pound bushels of marijuana onto trucks and driving the product to safe houses across the Cup. Country major traffickers in Mexico, typically ensured safe passage by paying off the local police for the right to move drugs through a certain territory, air Nesto and his partners had a deal with sin. Alot police. Someone else controlled Sonora to the north and Durango to the east it cetera. Anyone who moved drugs through another cartels territory head to give them a cut of their profits for the most part this worked out pretty well. But Guadalajara was pretty far south. So if they wanted to get their drugs all the way to the border they had to cross through a lot of territories and pay off a lot of greedy druglords, if they could work out their own deals with the police in other regions, they could essentially take over and control the entire western corridor of Mexico while the time they were done the Guadalajara cartel would be the most well-connected drug operation in Mexican history. And motto Correo was going to make himself an invaluable asset. The drug transport trips were long and difficult. They were the kind of work usually reserved for farmhands and low level grunts, not the nephew of one of the cartels. Most senior leaders, but a motto didn't mind it was an opportunity to familiarize himself with Mexico's many trafficking routes more than once a motto found himself stopped by unfriendly police, the ones who took their duties seriously, as they searched the car a motto stood off to the side wondering how long he would spend in prison if they found the tons of marijuana stowed away in the secret compartments that is if he even made it to prison there was a pretty good chance any given policeman was actually on the payroll of a rival cartel. Fortunately, a motto was never arrested as the months turned to years. He learned the best routes to travel to avoid police detection. He came to appreciate the experience of low level drug traffickers in a way that few in cartel leadership ever could Amato's next promotion was serving as a marijuana smuggler. He used Mellon trucks and mule carts to transport the product just short of the border careful never to cross himself. Another smuggler would take over and do the risky work of transporting the drugs into the United States in Mexico. Amata was protected even if he was arrested the Guadalajara cartel had the connections to make the charges go away. But once he crossed the border Amata would have to reckon with American law enforcement of fate. He had no intention of tempting sometime in nineteen eighty one. When a motto was twenty four uncle air Nesto introduced him to members of the Herrera family Mexico's preeminent drug smuggling ring headed by high may. Barrera Navarre is a former Mexican federal police officer the family gained notoriety as the biggest heroin distributor to the Chicago drug market Amato's. Next crash course in the drug trade would be tending poppy fields that produced heroin for the Herrera's. It was around this same time that a motto began flying twin engine planes to smuggle marijuana into the United States. It's unclear who I approach D'amoto with the notion or where or how he first learned to pilot an airplane. But he immediately took a liking to it points were faster than cars and they fit much larger loads of cargo. More importantly, driving drugs across the border was risky one wrong. Turn and you might run headfirst into a police car. If you fly the only area, you need to secure is the landing strip still a motto typically, just flew the drugs up to the border, and then left the flights into the US for his underlings, no reason to take unnecessary risks, especially in the early eighties. When the Guadalajara cartel was getting into an exciting new endeavor cocaine. Sincerely, seventy. Colombian cocaine cartels had mostly been flying their product and to Florida, but the DA eventually caught onto that and the cartels needed a new route into the United States. So in the early eighties contact introduced Columbia's Kelly cartel to Mexico's Guadalajara cartel cocaine had never been moved through Mexico on a major scale. But if the Guadalajara cartel had the network and the infrastructure to smuggle literal tons of heroin and marijuana every year, they could probably do the same with cocaine soon. Guadalajara was smuggling coke for both of Colombia's major cartels, Kelly and Medein instead of being paid in cash for their work. Guadalajara kept a portion of all the product that came in from Columbia. This was a smart move because cocaine's profit margins were astronaut nominal. They sold some of it through their own distribution network. And sold some two other competing cartels around Mexico. Once everyone got a taste of the cocaine business. They were hooked and the only way to get more of the product was to work with the Guadalajara cartel in. No time at all Guadalajara was distributing cocaine to every corner of Mexico and using their massive profits to pay off public officials along the way, but how do you move hundreds of kilos of cocaine at a time from Colombia to Mexico to the US in a timely manner without getting caught at customs. A motto Correo had the solution. He began flying cocaine shipments up from Columbia to sue dad. Juarez a small city conveniently located right along the Mexican US border from there. The drugs were either taken directly into the United States by ground or by air or stored in warehouses in nearby only Naga for their partnered Mexican cartels to pick up a nineteen eighty five uncle air Nesto station, the twenty eight year old Amato in only Naga to work under the man who oversaw these warehouses Pablo Costa via riyal nicknamed El Zorro daily Naga or the only Naga FOX Papua Costa was one of Mexico's most charismatic narcotics. Traffickers his operation. Which would eventually be known as the war is cartel control. The two hundred miles stretch of the border and housed most of the cocaine that came into Mexico. Rumer say he had once killed a rival cartel leader. And then dragged his dead body behind his Ford Bronco until it was shredded to pieces air Nesta had been working with a Costa since the heroin smuggling days. So when cocaine came into the picture, they brought him into the fold almost immediately air Nesto hoped that by shadowing a Costa, his nephew Amato might learn some of the secrets to the border Lord success. Whatever education motto had received thus far was nothing compared to what he would learn in Naga coming up. We'll see what a motto learned from Pablo Costa successes and his failures. Now back to the story in nineteen eighty-five. A motto Correo winters was sent to only Naga Mexico to study under the borders raining, drug, Lord, Pablo Costa? But for most of the year, a mottos time with a Costa was less about learning and. More about partying. A motto was still a young man, then only twenty eight and his days in the drug trade had been steeped in manual labour rather than glamor and wealth now that he had the opportunity to throw down with one of the hardest partying men in Mexico. He wouldn't turn it down. Almost every night. A motto and Pablo went out on the town, a drug baron in border tomb was something between a celebrity and a folk hero women wanted you men wanted to be you in the right amount of money could make almost any problem. Go away in the mornings Pablo in a motto smoked crack as a way to cure their hangovers Pablo. Loved the head rush loved the feeling of the drug pulsing through his bloodstream. A motto was never shy about his own affinity for drugs. And he took quickly to crack to in between drug fueled binges Pablo taught a motto. His smuggling business these lessons varied in both depth than coherence. But a was able to learn from experience how Pablo maintained control over the warez cartels two hundred miles stretch of the border on a sweltering August day in nineteen eighty-five Pablo received a phone call from one of his buyers in New Mexico a shipment meant to arrive the day before had never reached its destination. Pablo had personally sent off the to drug runners cantaloupe trucks, stuffed with seven hundred pounds of marijuana. He would have heard from his police contacts if they'd been arrested there were only two possibilities, the runner said either been killed or they had robbed him and that he could not abide Pablo located the missing drug runners at a motel outside owing Naga, and they told him they'd crashed the truck just a few miles after crossing the border into. A New Mexico Pablo wouldn't believe that until he saw it with his own eyes problem his men set out for the border to find the melon truck. He brought a motto along for the ride. A motto had no financial stake in the missing marijuana. But he was happy to be there either because of the opportunity to learn from the master or because Pablo had brought along a few packs of crack filled cigarettes as they got closer to the border. A motto realized Pablo was serious about seeing the missing truck with his own is he was planning to actually cross the border himself that would be dangerous for any of them. But Pablo was already a wanted fugitive in America if anyone so much as song him he'd be arrested immediately. A motto quietly told Pablo he might want to rethink his strategy. There was no guarantee they weren't walking into a trap by American law enforcement. And a motto couldn't see. The point in risking arrest for a single truckload of we'd bigger and more expensive shipments are lost or seized all the time. Pablo thought about it for a minute. He smoked another crack cigarette. And then he told them motto they were all crossing the border together and finding that Mellon truck. A motto did as he was told. But he made a note to himself that if or when he was in charge. He would just kill the two idiot runners and leave the marijuana truck to the wolves as they drove down the strip of road where the farmhand said they'd crashed the truck a motto saw nothing. No Mellon truck. No marijuana. He was ready to turn around and go home. But if Pablo found out the runners had lied to him the long ride back would be unbearable. That's when they saw it the melon truck it's hood buried in a ditch just off the side of the road. Exactly. Where the runners had said. All seven hundred pounds of marijuana were still intact. Pablo in a motto watched from the hood of their Jeep as their crew maneuvered the truck back onto the road when the job was done Pablo. Pull the two trembling drug runners aside, a motto notice sweat trickling down their foreheads impressive, given how chilly it was in the desert at this time of night, if Amato's uncle air Nesta were here. He'd probably kill the men just for the inconvenience they'd caused but much to Amato's amazement Pablo didn't even threaten them. Instead, he apologized for mistrusting them pulled out a giant wad of cash and peeled off five hundred American dollars for each of them. A motto watched with a stunt as Pablo sent off the men with vion condos God be with you. A motto had already noticed something about Pablo that separated him from other king. Pins? Pablo was gregarious. He genuinely cared about people. That's not to say he wasn't capable of great cruelty. But he would rather be loved not feared in that moment. Motto drew, a very important conclusion about his mentor, Pablo's, forgiving nature made him weak and that one day it would cost him dearly. He swore to himself. Never to make the same mistake business disagreements aside, a motto and Pablo grew close as the months were on as a gift Amato bought Pablo an expensive gold necklace and a gold watch to match Pablo war, the necklace everywhere, and the watch never left his wrist until the day that he died even more important than Pablo's lessons in business where his lessons in politicking a motto became well versed in which politicians were open to the cartels donations and which were to right. Consider them above all he learned that almost anyone could be bought for the right price. But soon after that he learned that some mistakes are too costly to be fixed. Even by the richest men in Mexico on April. Seventh nineteen eighty five Mexican soldiers surrounded our Nestos port of IRA vista over a megaphone. They announced air Nesta front. Sick correo. You are wanted for the murder of American drug enforcement agency agent in Rica KiKi Camerena step out of the house, or we will have no choice. But to take you by force inside the house, a cowering or Nesto knew his time had come that. February the Guadalajara cartel had kidnapped tortured and murdered a DA agent which turned out to be a very bad idea. The Americans were irate and they put enough. Pressure on the Mexican government that even the cartels political connections. Couldn't save them Nesto surrendered without a fight. And with uncle Ernest. Oh in prison his role within the Guadalajara cartel fell to his trusted nephew a motto Correo. A motto had been training for this since his days spent tending his uncle's marijuana fields. He was now a top tier leader reporting directly to the Guadalajara cartels acting head Miguel Felix Jarkko Amato had already been in charge of transporting overseeing and smuggling the majority of Guadalajara's cocaine for months now, he was also responsible for meeting with the Colombians to make sure the drugs kept flowing uninterrupted. He was the most knowledgeable member of the most lucrative branch of the most powerful cartel in Mexican history with his new found responsibilities Amato Correo an. Pablo Costa were now close to equal partners. The two men remained close after all their business interests were intertwined, and they were still nightlife companions D'amoto had already learned enough from Pablo both has successes and his failures those failures. A motto thought included Pablo's front facing personality and his growing dependency on crack Pablo was a public person. He was well known as the padrino of owing Naga, and he loved all the attention that came with that. But it also made him a target a motto had no interest in being revered or beloved. He just wanted to remain in power and the best way for him to do that was to remain a mystery, nobody outside his inner circle would know any more about him than he wanted them to know. A motto was no stranger to crack and cocaine himself. But. Over the past year. Pablo had been precipitously descending into a crippling addiction by nineteen eighty six. It was to the point where he was only really functional for a few hours a day. This confirmed Amato's worst fears Pablo was weak. He was allowing his addiction to affect his business and intern Amato's business in August, nineteen Eighty-six the DA found out the location of one of Pablo and Amato's cocaine stash sites. The only logical conclusion to a motto was that someone in their ranks had turned informant. A motto kidnap six workers who knew about the stash site and tortured them drilling them for information by the end of his interogations a motto filled confident that none of the six men were the rat. But just to be safe. He killed all six men. Anyway, when Pablo found out he was in synced. Not only had a motto killed six innocent men. He had killed six of their own men on nothing short of a whim. Amato's response was it's better for six innocent men to die then for one guilty man to go unpunished Amato Pablo argued about it for days, the kinship the two men had once shared was fraying. And with it went any notion of honor among thieves, whatever was left of a mottos goodwill towards his once mentor dissipated in October nineteen Eighty-six. A motto arrived at an owing AGA stash house to find Pablo meeting with an American reporter, the American president recently run some negative reports about Pablo and his well known criminal enterprises in response Pablo who was still almost constantly high on crack decided to invite a journalist down to Mexico to set the record. Straight. A motto was caught off guard. But he tried his hardest to remain friendly with the reporter he pulled Pablo into a back room discussed whatever business they needed to discuss and got out of there as quickly as possible. It wasn't until the article was published over a month later in December of nineteen eighty six that a motto truly understood the depths of Pablo's foolishness after smoking some crack right in front of the reporter. He admitted on the record to killing multiple people being a drug trafficker and bribing the Mexican federal police Pablo had put a target on himself and all those working with him, including a motto Correo a motto headlong valued his privacy. But he feared that. If Pablo was allowed to continue speaking to the press, he could not only lose his privacy and his freedom, but also his life. Something had. Be done. That's why motto made the coal. Guillermo Gonzalez called aronie was the federal police commander in Ciudad Juarez. He was half American had a sterling reputation as a serious straight shooting investigator and had been sent to Juarez to clean up the city in the wake of widespread government corruption just three days after the interview with Pablo was published called aronie was given jurisdiction over. Oh, a Naga by the Mexican attorney general the police had known all along the Pablo was a criminal. But now the American public knew about it. And they knew the government was complicit called a Rooney assumed control over only Nago with a simple edict find an aperture Hynde Pablo Costa via Rio dead or alive. But the truth was called aronie happened to be as crooked as any officer in Mexico. In fact, he had long standing connections with drug traffickers incl-. Leading one a motto Correo went as so a motto offered called aronie one million US dollars in hopes of weighing the scale in favor of capturing Pablo dead not alive as soon as word of the arrest warrant came out. Pablo fled only Naga it took until April of nineteen eighty-seven for call to Ronnie to track him down in a small village along the Rio 'Grande by the name of Santa Elena called aronie and his troops surrounded. Pablo? Safehouse Pablo had been on the run for months, passing the time smoking crack and partying with a crew of hangers on. But when he heard called Arroni's voice on the loudspeaker reverberating through his house. He became as alert as ever as it happened. A mottos bribe wasn't necessary. Pablo had no intention of being taken in alive. He wanted to go out with a blaze of glory. Pablo and the police traded gunfire for over an hour when the police finally managed to enter the house, they found Pablo dead with a pistol still in hand a single gunshot wound to the back of his head had silenced him forever. Amado took the call at a remote safe house of his own Pablo was dead, which left a motto in control of all of his territory. He didn't enjoy it as much as he thought he might there would be no champagne tonight. No, celebrate Tory party. There was still work to do a motto had climbed the mountain top. But he knew power makes you a target. And is he spent the next decade watching his friends, turn to enemies the day. Pablo Costa died was one he wouldn't forget. Thanks again for listening to kingpins. Join us next week as we explore the heroine assassination attempts and desperate disguise efforts. That finally led to a motto Correa's death in nineteen ninety seven you can find more episodes of kingpins as well as all of par casts. Other podcasts on apple podcasts. Spotify Stitcher, Google play or your favorite podcast directory. Several of you have asked how to help us if you enjoy the show the best way to help us is to leave a five star review. And don't forget to follow us on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at par cast network. We'll see next time kingpins was created. 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151: Stage 17 | Aranda de Duero  Guadalajara | Vuelta a Espaa 2019

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151: Stage 17 | Aranda de Duero Guadalajara | Vuelta a Espaa 2019

"You're listening to Cyprian focused ghost of the word that spy association with Russia Fastest clothing in the world to the homeless cycling Mechanic Right and watch with twenty nineteen partner. I and Kenyans run stage seventeen seventeen. Today we are in Guadalajara in what Oh my God news going to be Windy. There's no doubt about that we knew from Columbus zero was open big mental stress in my own mind be the to not let myself down and then after two minutes looking around full gossip crossing the go sprint and off the car seven guys riding full tune in twenty years ago but just commit ride in full. Ds Behind Talent Riders Kendra picking them off one by one. Oh Conradi described the the bulls just slowing through in line fine for every wheel not sure topless really not sure I'll topless what a day stage seventeen die after arrest I and from kilometer zero in the gutter played in their Daniel by little snippets of the Audio diaries from date from James Knox of the quickstep and the shoots of Midland Scott. We'll hear their diaries fool of throwing book. What a day as we heard there. I mean for James Notes in particular and his team well. What what can we say what Bingu Wa and is the only man tonight apart from me because line hasn't turned up. Mrs Flight is the is the loneliest man tonight not Mac's Richie. Is he going to be dining alone. Do you think in the decadent quickstep hotel hanging out with his pile Gaviria every time I see him he's with Gaviria. Is that why he missed. The movie. Certainly didn't we are. We're we're sorry being flippant being a little bit flippant and I'm sure I'm sure he's not in trouble but the move who've today I mean either that Ncis George Banner of movies and not with today's climate Azero Anna. He said he was very nervous about today. It was on the plateau almost is to Madrid and it was very exposed and they were expecting wind crosswinds in particular crosswinds for the first part of a tailwind into the finished so he was very nervous but they've talked about team here. How strong is a team for the mountains really and when the current quick extent attacked really from the start the seven men in in in a front group for fourteen writers but was the problem today not that they were in fact quite strong strong your movies. Ma and they were in the original spirit they had guys in the original plan had to go back to to help rock and that's what caused the problems well. I didn't even know that is correct. That is the case because we're sending the case with powerless but I think there were multiple movies Maradas. He may display. We'll go back right. We'll here a bit from set kuechly thrown. This happens site because we we couldn't watch it before I go through the results time she hear from Francis Fron reas who sees better than almost anybody what's happening. He's he's on trade. He following race radio. He's working. There goes ation and he's seeing images that we don't see in the early part C so grab fron. I wanted to find out exactly what happened. In the early kilometers of the stage frontiers fancy bumping T. here. Nobody had probably a better sense of what was happening early in the race today than than you on the field people on on some of the writers as well but all of them if you were were stuck behind you. What was your sunny of. What happened in the early part the stage well? I understand that hair to on the radio on Seoul and the pictures I was more Orleans getting your life. Was that Dicky Nicky launch an attack quite early on early on. What do you mean keeping me there are three or four I mean they. They were full gas with all their rights but Matt We. We were speculating earlier that maybe he will see for one table for one for tonight tonight. Yeah definitely gwent moisture team was there as well there can turn out was in the first line along with the in their first role in the sideline along witty broadcasters and the planning mind as well we can say the same of Team Sang Web and when the three teams join forces in the first in the first part of the bond it quickly as plates and dubious about put two guys they're Tony Martinez Nelson Palace but after thinking kilometers when they realized that they were not gotten not bringing back the group date dropped quickly to help Fremont's Ravi too by the way he said the today. He said that he clearly messed up in the beginning of the states at he said where you been. I mean the movie star tightest. Most interesting pricing game behind Canton did no coincidence those guys you mentioned were the guys who made that split because they're the big engines on that team are exactly as how does he see an animal for regard you remember that stage when vertical and Taylor the will to spend your sixteen around for and was helpful for an Eric Cantona it has the same the guys who played in the front row in the sideline at the guys who have a plan in mind nerine is quite good at writing and Jones and riding riding in this kind of racers stage on which it council out of to have a technical sense a narrow exercises frontiers the the headlines from the stage of suppose are Filbert won. The stage Sam Bennett was second Ramic Avenue Decoding quickstep third in fact they couldn't quickstep that four right the top ten on the stage and and it was really staged the they was made for them. It was a kind of Belgian team. They're very adept at racing in these conditions and so at one point were the team nine movies. Ma You know in the old days of rob a bank. When there were crosswinds you would expect team to be at the front orchestrating thing things? Wouldn't you say but as you said it's climate team. They've got here and did they. Were while the teacher not very happy with the mother think Grishin Shannon is fight to the finish and he was the was he is whether they went shop. They went shop enough and it reminded me a bit rich them without losing using any sense of proportion proportion reminded me of the nineteen seventy-one toward the front stays to Marseille somewhat. Am You know which we all remember well. I'm sure you would have rich well podcast. We know the story the story that wars that the state started at or mallet thank an arrest as well yeah and Lucile kind you'd gain six minutes on the previous mountain state not put more ahead of Ed Mertz comcast vacation and Merck's noticed or Kanye minting at the start if he's mincing in revered Merck's biography that marks warmed up on the on the rulers before that state's supposedly in an underground car park under the hotel where he's staying and anyway he he saw Moore Kanye flaring hiring mincy around with journalists and it was downhill start anyway. Merck's went from the Gun Avenue Vakman. His team went from the gun. He was a famed dissenter. The sort of epilogue of that story was the group stayed away. There was a tremendous day and the Peleton say an hour two hours early the look the man mad was so dismayed at this disgusted toward fronts didn't return for the next twenty or thirty years eighty nine. Maybe went by there. It was after he died. Yes yes today's finished with how early anybody spot the mayor of Guadalajara second man. We've had two days. We had the mayor of Benadryl M- Yesterday today we had the mayor of feedback night she some people Jonathan meets the brilliant was academic intellectual architecture shirk critic he did a program by Franco's Spain on the eve of the the tour of Spain and he tells that story that you told last night in the episode the other big story was not a Cantata was in that movie night. We talked. We talked about this on Saturday. You talked about this last night. Daniel but neither man doesn't doesn't give up here today was not only of of that but also of his ability and crosswinds and he there was one third of France a few years ago he lost in crossers answers in Holland consistent. I'm thinking of Bracelet Pioneers when they're being crossed incision echelons. He's been there yes and he relishes it. Nothing that's the key. Is it quits crosswinds. You've got to go in Comey Sheepish Commie tentative. You've got to be up for the cup. You gotta be up for the fight night. Invariably is on that rich this morning. I overheard a conversation between rug primoz rogue Lich race lead and loose matic links of more Bayer. who is always always is everyone's friend and he's he seems to have a cordial relationship with rock and anyway they were on their way to the star and Luciano Mattei said to raw tough. Stay today. BE GOTTA be careful. I'm wrong looked at name and said we're GONNA go. Full Gas reddening rook sounded yeah but going full gas at the wrong in the wrong place to be going full gas because it did seem. I'm we'll hear this later from James. In particular that was we heard from from fundraiser as well but it was a case of a bit like the stage you talk about nine seventy one the guys in front of the grid. We're able to get away and it was a question of whether you were you lined up in this so rarely in in road racing that where you line up actually matters but on stage like today it did the fastest clothing in the world tour homeless cycling character right and watch with Rafeh turned to nineteen as they partner if education I and Kenyan strung the two most important things are a saddle and a Shammy Emmy or short and you want to feel good. I am supermarket a right for education I in the past I struggle sometimes the saddle sore and even with the new shorts. I haven't had any problem yet so I really like the new the new shorts. They said it was a new model of Shammy for me to the big. Shorts are the best that I ever had. Thank you very much indeed to Rafeh our title sponsor. Somebody who enjoyed today federally Daniel Nja was Hugo Curve. It's our colleague news. Blonde who's here covering the race for the Belgians and he's pretty quiet right time of a he had a good day David for the bear one and by Hugo M who famously doesn't Buchanan hotels. Only on the day you know lives by the seat of his pants aunt's advice. He's a great character and he was rubbing his hands with Glee. What was unfolding a suspect in mid stage Hugo curvaceous. I've seen some days you. You know looking a little bit kind of many board but you don't vote today are you. Now I think we have today typically Belgian race with many Spanish riders and with people are not used to ride against the wind and everybody will sleep good tonight. I think couldn't quickstep. They're really good at this. You went to their hotel. USC S he said and spoke to build for Pizza's forbid day at typically. Couldn't there's no race today because it was really autumn weather windy the rain said years but I looked for tomorrow forecast for today and is a little bit less went but like we say in Flemish we are GonNa put them on the count beer by by different and he knew over the first part they could do abundant coal like they call it in Spanish and the the second part is winning the back a predicted a very nervous staged for everybody and the plan was really to bring James Knox further et it and the general ranking. That's the reason why the details today if seven of the eight don't have the leader for Jakobsen. They have all the other guys. Do I'll give you something to write a vote for tomorrow yeah because a always had to write stories like today about car-free recarpet who came from from cross country his story but the happened not too much. We're also to always do races into your wrist that now I think we have to raise this in one race and that's just a nice thing that I don't say the divorce has restarted but it can be you corvettes there. The News Blonde cycling writer and they said he'd been to see Wilfred pizzas yesterday and I mean I think everybody knew this day was potentially a dangerous day but it was it was a fight of his the longest stage. I just think of the race two hundred nineteen kilometers and the fact that the move went so early did catch a few people on the hope is to say so unusual unusual cycling that where you line up for the star of the stage matters but it did matter today you think so it was three kilometers whether move when I'm sometimes it's he look stages like today and the people who lost time and you can't quite fathom how it's allowed to happen. I'm particularly how there is a moment when it's warm minute the two minutes three minutes where they can't rally somehow but almost more than a time trial is the race of truth in the sense that his tail we knew across town wind wind. You've got sort of seventy five eighty kilo quickstep guys at the front if you know on their way or if you know if your meter away from from the wheel trains he's leaving. You'RE NOT GONNA get on. I guess that's what happens and I think that was probably a moments or more than the moment probably several minutes of confusion and reorganization and that's all it all all it took all it takes some really interesting things tactically they were happening later in the race with the movie star contingent in the group behind attacking on a rise about thirty is he comes from the Finnish again. You know this provoked the usual sort of outcry about movie star tactics willing during the chasing container valverde explained afterwards that what they were. I'm trying to do was get rid of the domestiques who had been pulling very hard to try to bring Cantata Bach. We'll try to bring the the the gap in gene. We're whether you believe that or not but very very bullish and he was very while he took umbrage anyone who suggests that most weren't good today. He said they would technically perfect well. It kinda worked as well. Go Get rid of a few tired guys and just thought change in pace men. The GOP gap closed a little bit but opened again so I think it kind of words and I think as we heard from frontier surly on it was very notable that the guys who movie star place the front of the grids and who went with container in the in the Front group and who did work from group were the kind of rulers movie star have the big engines I i. I think that movie star played a blinder. I mean can Tana is up to you whether he can still challenge who knows 'cause he hasn't looked great in the mountains but he's up to second overall brought to twenty four nuts so rutledge guy of jalen hill largely thanks to Astana and you'd have been a different story today had superman made it into to that front group then we'd be then wealth would have been would have been transformative and playing. CALYPSO music amazing released reggae tone however it didn't happen. WHOA split the diarrhea Cataldo at the finish line. Let's hear what he said just a very hard day. We spat with this win. We everybody nobody knows that can be dangerous. We don't expect being Indiana and Broadway so big and at the at the beginning we we expect that Jim Book Ken glows very quickly but at the end was was getting too too far the break we had to pull also okay we we spend more energy than expected so dire Qatada the Astana writer who said they they initially sat back and waited for you movies to close the gap that was optimistic given the as you say there were these seventy five eight two kilo quickstep to cutting crates that writers in the Front Group and set Koos Nielsen Pilots George Bannet and these guys aren't aren't going to be able to very easily close up as we saw the Tour de France on these stages when echelons form. If you don't close that gap quick Clem we had a bit of a debate about this but whether the chasing group to misjudge that they tried to close the gap too quickly and you've got to you've got to try and close it quickly or Oregon so you can gradually bring it back especially when you've got so many strong writers in that front group you got a closet or it's gone anyway. Diet Cataldo Aldo Person I spoke to the finish was one of the people who was really instrumental in that group going Tim de Clark. What do we call him. The ply the tractor he's just an incredible work we heard from him last week in the podcast by the life of the domestic and he is such an incredible team writer Philip Gilbert where was I asked him afterwards that she said you'll really mess him next year when he's not teammate suggested was best teammate in the world and he's not even picked yet for the Belgian team for the World Championships. Five writers have been picked eight. He may well get on today's performance alone. His father as well I learned today is a comedian in Belgium Carol Clark. He regularly appears on television. He's got an interest summit Patrick lefevere but Tim Clark was instrumental today at a big job here. He was finishing well. You did what you do bash there. Yeah it was it was a bit of a difference from what I normally do. Normally I I have to ride more defensive and now I could could ride offensive. What is always a little bit. More Nice. We know Bennett was the man to beat in the final from the beginning. I committed fully hooley through the Islamic because he also had james so it was perfect. We knew it was the hawks for sure. After such date from the moment it started third to rise. I said I'M GONNA. Give one good pool to make it as hard as possible. For some not was a bit a tactic that I had me me and the team had in mind was perfectly followed by st be at the moment. I thought she takes the win but Don Phillips stay on the wheel of of Sam who had at the start his sprint car early so I think it was a really a textbook finished on a on a Belgian style racing today was that was it you you guys to talk about the start your plan to to break up so early. I before the start. I was actually quite nervous because US I can I'm quite good at pulling out for a long time but to the fighting to to be in a in the break in in and I that's not my best part so I said it's better to start from Columbus zero think we would all in the front and a lot of teams thought I think it's too long to read from the from the start but in the end we did maybe what the other ones did not expect and when you look around and you see Sixty Mason on James notes that must have been a great feeling the I turn think everybody gave himself completely so it also it was nice. It's it's this. Maybe did the real mountains under the best rain but here. He refined it again so that's that's. It's not I'm all we're hearing hearing from writers Daniel. Let's hear from Owain Dulas. Well team any else writer writing his first grand tour on he made that front group here he is at the finish of rarely seen tired faces crossland pizzas right dave from it. Just Monarch Avenue is going to be windy and literally from the off you know people thought into the car and the mutual and literally flag dropped that was it. I think the guys who start in the first year roughly we're in the front and then oh we just didn't slow down all day it was it was absolutely crazy. Actually was the QUICKSTEP. He really armored dinosaurs. You could see no particular. I think it was just off stared a really organize team but it was just combination of everyone out the front. If you're not for national on your commitment and yeah it wasn't a case one team or anyone else who was just she was they. Would you know if you're in it you in a good place you on a day off. C. Four Events Start Way and then there was a climate in the Senate explain off and guys guys just can't shout quite now they ought to stay for me is the longest as well so when you go away and obviously you realize the competition the group who was behind. Did you think this is going to be this is going to be for the day or you. Can that in the back your mind but I didn't think that you know say they should be pushing so office so long long you know I think one of the points where five six minutes ahead and obviously I work for DC teams. Just commit in four. There was helpful other all day. We had a ringside seat exciting days racing. It was nice to be in the front and on the box so I'll take it yeah you must've enjoyed for. Maybe maybe not enjoy your quite fun it. I don't want to be the best idea what amounts as tomorrow committing off the end of today rogue. Lich still over two minutes ahead. We'll look at that as a day where he jail yeah. I think so rich. I'm not sure it's GONNA. Change that much. As far as he's concerned you know the dow is how much which energy today's cost you know each of the protagonists guys vodka was at pains to point out he'd been in the wheels or yeah. I think everyone took a big win today didn't they. He felt that he you know not gone too. Deep today and I don't know how rogue lease has to go the one concern I would say a full rogue. Lich role is that the last two mountain stages so starting with tomorrow and then there's another one Saturday climbs on particularly steep steepest consciousness I fall and tactically they look like interesting ones some volleys the need to be dealt with the finish which is not altitude. Tamar not always throws up interesting scenarios of not putting down the road then the stage on Saturday. Day is also very interesting. It's difficult to read. It's not you you sort of use your mountain stage of crocodiles teeth. Scholz Teeth Mountain stage it sort of you know there or a couple of second third category climbs and then the the final climb again is not that hard but it's a climb where you can probably rod of speed as we saw like an an open up reasonable gap so I don't think he'll be relaxing and he'll probably want some explanations from some of his teammates as to what went wrong maybe we'll. Let's hear an explanation from Koos showy of sorts. This was set Koos at the finish hard day. I think yeah we didn't expect really it didn't even seem like an attack really that went in the very beginning but yeah it was like I think all quickstep was in there so good by them. It's it's a hard team to close always down on the flats and wind tough effort in the beginning but you know even when it's not an ideal situation you have to stay calm and and when you realize container was there especially because he was the main threat. What do you do as things. We didn't see any of the so was panic. No not really panic. Senate come in yeah. We knew we had immediately start writing but you know you can't ride full gaspar two hundred plus case so you have to June measured way and then you know hope that some other teams might chip in a bit so I mean you have got theme. Here are very much an emphasis on the mountains. I guess as we've seen this was a dangerous stage but do you think it will have on any damage to his hopes of winning no. I don't think so I mean for a guy like me. It's it's a hard effort to to pull on the flat and it takes more out and even a bigger guy but yeah. I contributed everything I could until I was absolutely dead and then yeah you're right end easy to finish so anytime you have the Jersey that's always effort so the the second podcast is supported by science in Sport Science in sport fueled by science. Thank you very much scientists for cycling podcast and you can still get twenty five percent off with because SIS. CPI Twenty five at science in Sport Dot Com big thanks to them and that press conference episode last night inevitably. I answered the question I had to to leave you for this. The question about whether the Vuelta why the welter doesn't go to Portugal it doesn't seem to go to Portugal we got laws and never to be also from Killian Kelly Irish pedal tone on on twitter who told me a while ago to save that he has been waiting great thing for his thanks for being a friend of the podcast on the that was only reason he actually became a friend of the podcast and also to say that he's a great guy he said so. Thanks for that Killian. He also got in touch today to say that nine thousand nine hundred seven is the only time that wealth has been to Portugal when it started in Lisbon. You'd think that did actually go into Portugal a few years ago yeah twenty fourteen. We'll obviously there and I'm quite confident. They went to Portugal but I'll check killing knows everything though so it says Google I think killing killing killing Google is everything I'm saying ah I I will find out why Google Killian dot com is better than Google dot com. I think but anyway he knows a lot and that's what he says so. Let's let's have a look. 'em stage in the states. Thinking about returned is could have been staged ten in two thousand fourteen. I'm going to check it out. Okay I am before. We let teen four here from our writer diaries M. A. Must say that tomorrow. Thursday Stacey Snyder's mugs the second batch of wealth the mugs go on sale at twelve noon Spanish time and four o'clock in afternoon Spanish time that is six. AM ANTENNAE 'EM US East Coast Time Eight PM and twelve o'clock presumably midnight Australian time so she's doing to serve two to Windows to buy these the the the next batch of Cup so a couple of chances are go to NC DOT COM forward slash shop forward slash Snyder Ceramics S. n. y. d. e. r. Art Ceramics. They'll go very quickly. They always do and they're raising money for two causes the bike project which refurbishes bikes for Refugees and the volunteers help them right ride their bikes new bikes and Andy's mind club as well. M is elrick good cause and we were. We received very nice. canonisations for both of those good causes were very happy to support them so let's hear from my writer a writer. Direst SR James Knox of the current quickstep and nick shoots of Mitchell Scott. I James then well. I'd say Oh my God. I don't know what to say. News going to be windy. There's no doubt about that we knew from Columbia zero was open big mental stress in my own mind be the to not let like myself down and then after two minutes looking around full gossip sprinting off the off seven guys riding full turning twenty minutes ago but just to ride in full. Ds Behind Palino's riders danger picking them off one by one Conradi describe the the bulls just slowing through in line fighting for every wheel in a different place the last fifty k. just hanging onto their life funded global culture excited the staff falsely the absolute monarchy and then really suffered you know it's difficult as difficult to drink fabio dropped it was always going to be a hot day for him but it was opened down as well as crosswinds and we'll it's felt really in the end that I'd nothing left to give you know I do. WanNa let the boys down but then guitar to K- to go has taken in the booms in China. Dre Bach Bennett launching a cross also over the top fail going after him cross the line four of his talk tangent. I know show at team was self. Ted ASCII punching the air celebrators team. It was really not sure I'll topless really not sure I'll tell this you know. GC's don well wall this has been this has been an unbelievable down the by Pino and the size faction from knowing how much everyone suffered from behind suffering behind was still going backwards juicy rivals twenty minutes down up to eight. Will you know I'll have to fight right now. Trying to hold on everyone's going to be dead tomorrow and see what happens. Try and recover the best icon I mean. I hope it was good speed. Bryson really stressful. These these crosswinds alumni limit physically mentally lost my temper times you know full full. Amarillo Saul racing the me a couple of moments when you're switching from one side of the road to deal with a la the whiplash of guys yeah no was really these days off a hot really comedy describing describe what is like just the speed as well all day you know we were in crosswind for the first one hundred and twenty k. and then it was more or less tailwind last hundred fifty k. an hour for two hundred twenty k. That's something that's really something wrong. Going joy this scenario. The Miranda team over the line just saw so special to be part of something like this and Agron so the old thoughts Phil taking the cost you would just the old Fox. He was Never GonNa let slip through his fingers brilliant stuff then he just a killer killer instinct you go yet today. He played it perfectly so proud of everyone. Everyone road opposite hearts out for me for the stage win. I'll take this one through to the for the rest of my life that was that was really really beautiful. Awful absolutely awful Yeah Special Ed Baxter Ellison hey day stage seventeen died after arrest stay and from Columbia zero or in the gotTa. I've heard whispered sir. The fastest grand tour stage in history. Wouldn't I'm surprised me Colombina Zero to two hundred and twenty just full noise north onto relaxed nightime to do anything really eating and drinking was was hot too hot to do let alone anything else super high stress and yeah one of the hottest. I think much people probably ever had on a block considering during was not really supposed to do that but I guess that's what Mother Nature can can produce basically how it unfolded almost immediately a massive group wrote off the front and we'd let it sort of didn't seem to be forced it. Just kinda happened a natural split. I guess and and few people probably thinking you know it's out of the race so you know this all come back together and there's not really a heap of big. GCE He the Dow shot it down etc etc and next thing you know it was it was gone and that basically led to a very very tough day for for Yumbo the visa or guys had absolutely drill it all day and they were up against forty or fifty guys essentially so that was not an easy task but credit to them they they took it up and they did a really good job of limiting losses with rod still hanging the Jersey yeah otherwise it was yeah just absolutely full Gossen and these days I think some of the most nervous that you can actually get in cycling more so even than than a mountain day for guys is like this. It's all about position sometimes a little bit about lock as well the raw tom the right place a lot can happen as we've seen on a day where essentially nothing should happen if there wasn't any wind but. I'm sure it was a great spectacle was all my fun to be a part of the spot how hot it was a real. SORTA. Get stuck in talk top day and yeah and on the one ticked off and we're getting closer to Madrid some mountains to come and here. We're all looking forward to it now. It's a hot racing's taking its toll on the Peleton except for Nuxie they he's it just seems to be getting better every day by him and the right to see him move up the standings there until the top ten and the why is going even touching toffar by the end. We'll see Geez Daniel. You're making some very unusual noise a dependent basically the state nineteen of the two thousand fourteen welter from Salvatore the menu to Congress D'Amato if it it didn't go into Portugal it was just it was the it was literally ten meters from Portugal but it might have gone into Portugal in a place called to which is I don't know whether it's pronounced in a Portuguese or Spanish fashion but it's right on the media river which is which is the border basically an yeah. It depends which way went through town does remain remain a bit of a mystery that it doesn't go into Portugal more often yeah but this there's been talk in the last few years about start big start in Puerto in fact that was widely rumored certainly a couple years ago and I was quite surprised that that did not see come to come to pass well M. Shall we wrap things up for tonight. We're in a beautiful the place where we can actually see Madrid from here. Incredibly we're on a plateau. I many meters seven hundred fifty. Yeah we can also rage on the other side of the building. We can say that Seattle Dad moderate weather isis go tomorrow. I'm going up some very famous one very famous climb stickler the Nava Sarah which I think is I'm gonNA check this now. I think he's probably the climb the most climb climb in Vuelta history I think great and are we going to see any. I mean is is rutledge more. Does he leak a bit more vulnerable tonight than he did last night more his team than him promise but the the stage we're going to have are not going to be like today's. He's virtue. He's movable by virtue of the fact he's got more men in a position to shoot at him his knee and we have to I think before we go tonight we have to managing paulk will poke was Pogo Pogo. Yeah nifty today I mean I know he's in the wrong. Group wedge was surprising in in West he was he was separated from his from his sort of God. Dogs Throw Ya on Makoto who wiping the front group and they sent by didn't they at least one of them back this problem with driving on your dining con- you can't see everything that happens. uh-huh we have to pay tribute. I think at to determine quickstep who really grabbed the race by the throat today and did what they do so well and walk walk. Klosi kind of performance not just from the the the whole team from extra cheesy he I'm sure has a good excuse for missing that move but in the finale as damning St bar you know the the identified some Bana as the main threat clearly. He's won. Two stages ages is fastest finisher and the way that they established a plan to beat him was. I felt really impressive. St Bar attacked with a Tacoma's to go and in the end banner himself had to had to kind of launches his sprint pretty early to gap to St Bar loot like he'd done eh but Gilbert I mean as we are James Knox's diary called him a wildly Old Fox and it was it was brilliant and it was just an absolute new masterclass in in tactics and then writing in crosswinds and for those who enjoy watching that which is a lot of people it was brilliant to watch so that's all from US tonight. Titles got nothing out just agreement. No me on crosswinds without you on wine. You know the runoff see his tonight as the caucus with bank building lighting up over there what's going on is on fire nice to separate off right there. You've seen that phenomenon before before we go and thanks is to some friends of podcast and I have to tell you that conner Dotson keeping all do diary from your personality as a friend special thing next week. Possibly apparently he's very very entailing so look forward to that and thank you to all those signed up obviously killing. Kelly mentioned him again am Stephen Tiffany Damon Maloney Magnis Dis Ether Boden Matthew Burns Jared Hartley Susan Motley and Alexander Horn Christopher Super Wagner Clifton may Kendall Ross hallowed interest payments with wwl am Greg Watson Pizza Courts Glenn Weekly Kerio Heidrick. Thank you Daniel. Thank you written

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Coronavirus news, updates, hotspots and information for 06-05-2020 COVID-19 AM Alert

Coronavirus 411

04:29 min | 1 year ago

Coronavirus news, updates, hotspots and information for 06-05-2020 COVID-19 AM Alert

"This is corona virus four, one, the latest Covid, nineteen, Info and new hot spots, just the facts for Friday. June Fifth Twenty Twenty Tennessee judge ruled that all registered voters will be allowed to vote by mail. Prior to the ruling, Tennessee voters needed to provide a reason, they were unable to vote in person. Fear of exposure to Covid nineteen was not an accepted reason. An is expected to be filed reports. The Tennessean cases are on the upswing. In Tennessee the state has twenty, five, thousand, three, hundred, seventy, four confirmed cases, three, hundred, seventy two. Two per one hundred thousand residents Trusdale County has one thousand three hundred ninety four cases among the seventy eight hundred residents, fourteen, thousand, five, hundred, sixty, two per one, hundred, thousand, the highest in the Country Lake County Tennessee is the second highest nationwide with ten thousand, five, hundred, fifty per one hundred thousand. There are three prisons in Tennessee that have been tied to cluster outbreaks. The aforementioned Trusdale Correctional Centre with thirteen, hundred, fifteen of the county's thirteen, hundred ninety four cases, northwest correctional and Tipton Tennessee with six, hundred, forty and bledsoe county correctional in. In, Pineville with six hundred seventeen federal health officials will require labs to report demographic information when they report COVID. Nineteen test results starting August first. The director of the CDC testified that up to one hundred thousand contact tracers will be needed by September. He also said the CDC continues to work with the World Health Organization in spite of the President's announcement that he was terminating the relationship, the NBA Board of Governors, voted to restart the season. The plan now goes to the players Union for approval. If it passes, the season will resume on July. July thirty first. In Guadalajara Mexico, protests broke out over the death of a man who was detained by police for allegedly not wearing a mask. The ban died in custody released the Washington Post, Mexico recorded more than forty four hundred cases of covid nineteen yesterday, their highest daily total. England will require face coverings for anyone using public transportation beginning June fifteenth, the Prime Minister of Fiji said the nation is covid nineteen free. They've not had a new case in forty five days. The locations of hot spots in the US country diagnoses in a moment. Hotspots displaying faster rates of growth as of June fourth, according to the New York, Times Lake, county Tennessee, Buena Vista County Iowa More County and Jones County Texas Logan County Colorado Walker County Texas East Carroll County Louisiana Globally Haiti Nepal Ethiopia. Mauritania Malawi Zimbabwe and Libya. There have been one million, eight, hundred, seventy, two, thousand, six, hundred sixty confirmed cases of covid nineteen in the United States, and one hundred eight thousand two hundred eleven deaths, there were twenty, one thousand, six, hundred fourteen new cases reported yesterday the. The ten states with the highest case counts New, York, three, hundred, seventy, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, seven, new, Jersey one, hundred, sixty, two, thousand, five, hundred, thirty, Illinois, one, hundred, twenty, five, thousand, one, hundred, forty, nine, California, one, hundred, twenty, two, thousand, nine, hundred, Seventeen Massachusetts one, hundred, two, thousand, sixty, three, Pennsylvania, seventy eight, thousand, four, hundred, twenty, eight, Texas, seventy, one, thousand, three, hundred, thirty, Florida Sixty, thousand, one, hundred, seventy, five, Michigan fifty, nine, thousand, two, hundred, fifteen, Maryland, fifty, six, thousand, four, hundred ninety. 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676-Medical Tourism: Real-Life Experiences From Myles Wakeham of Be Unconstrained

Radical Personal Finance

1:11:23 hr | 1 year ago

676-Medical Tourism: Real-Life Experiences From Myles Wakeham of Be Unconstrained

"What can the radical personal finance a show dedicated providing you with the knowledge skills insight and encouragement? You need to have a rich and meaningful life now while building a plan for financial freedom in ten years or less US my guests on today's show is miles miles Wakeham. Welcome to the show. Thank you great to be here so I've had you on. We're going to have a chat about finances you blog log over at B. unconstrained dot com talking about your journey to financial independence and specifically. I've had you on because you have been doing A recent series series but also having some recent experiences specifically on the topic of medical tourism. You've been doing some work in Mexico and one here all about that and talk about because I think it's a very key financial strategy that more and more of us can and should implement but begin with just a little bit of your background. How did you wind up in the United States? Doing the kind of work you're doing. And how did you wind up interested in finance. It's a very interesting question I I. I've always been when I was a kid. Kiddo is always into business always liked businesses when I was i-it's owed Iran paper rounds and then I decided to get two of them. Three of them in skyrocketed often became. Let the king of hype around in Australia and that led into a whole different various businesses in part time jobs for Nelson's teenager Niger eloy three to Getting out of school probably why earlier than I should've been going into business on my iron and I Got Lucky and got into the computer world in nineteen seventy eight right. When the personal computers first started coming out Built one of the software companies in my hometown employed dozen people in Soda. When I was twenty four twenty three twenty four going out came to the United States? Because because I was working one of my clients was a defense contractor building submarines in Australia or night middle of guys from the states when I was working there and one of them said you sound like a smart guy. Wouldn't it worked for me and I ended up in Los Angeles I ended up doing a little bit of where they are and then stumbled into a company any that got into this thing called biotechnology which I had no idea what that was and that company became Amgen so I was one of the first hundred something in people to stay. There ended up staying there for five years and left with A ton of stock options which I didn't even know what they were and retired and I was about thirty two I think went back to a stride there and that didn't name well. I kind of followed any aura. I'm kind of like the poster child of what happens when you retire too early And and I know you've spoken about that before I can attest to. The fact is one hundred percent correct. too early. Don't retire. Actually I hate that way. That's something that doesn't resonate with me but I did find myself going from zero to hero to zero in that world and they ended up with the DOT com boom sort of happened. I I found myself sort of not getting anything really substantial done in life back in my hometown so I decided to get back on a plane and came back to California Sonja and and then eventually moved to Arizona. And I've been here for twenty years now. How much money did you have when you retired at thirty ready to Geez? Not I remember now. It was in the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars. I bought a house Frey Hall oats. I never had any any costs. Had A lot of money we ended up buying some rental properties as well and I got really bored I I built a recording studio voice. been a musical Kinda guy always like recording engineering a lot about that when I was living in California and a bill to studio elvis recording bands albums because I had nothing better to do The funny thing is I got divorced because probably because I found myself in this sir what do I do now. Point of life in my wife at the time was looking at me going. What is life go from here? And I didn't have an answer right. 'cause I was it. Was You know the journey had come to an end at that point for me and I know what my next chapter was going to be and she didn't WanNa wait around trying to find that out so Ended up losing pretty much most of Of what I had gained so you go from financially independent financially divorced very quickly and For anybody out there who's had to go through that. I thought we should upon anyone that that kind of also led to my. I don't know us kind of a weird thing in the segue that goes into the whole medical thing that you know I I found myself alone and pre doc time at that point and I might not none of needed money. But that was the least consents back then and Some friends of mine said to me one day you WanNa you know it was just after Christmas time. It was like the day after Christmas. Plan this epic road trip to Up into the Queensland. which is the tropical area Australia Type New Year's Eve up there and they said look you don't WanNa be sitting around. He has sort of wallowing in misery. You WanNa come with us so I said Yeah right sounds like a plan Jumped in the car and we drive. Two days to a destination had a week the Aaron which arriving back but one day through it got in the second day in really really bad things started to happen which is Kinda way. The whole medical journey begins. What happened well? We were driving back across theat back. Pretty desolate area and I had driven the first few hours of that day. It was a second day Own Way back home and I we'd had lot. We stopped for lunch with myself. A friend of mine who who was in the car and his girlfriend and We we were driving back halfway through it. We had launch. We got back and it was like okay. He says it's my turn to drive. I said sure he got his case. I get in the back of the column in the risks and off you guys we drive for about twenty minutes Happily Reading Vulcan just. There's not much. Oh she can do when you're in the middle of nowhere in the outback. Australia reading the booklet him to the driving. We went over this crest. The road just crested over the top of the hill and and I didn't think much of it next thing I'm hearing he water which is weird to him in the middle of the outback. Australia splash. I look up and we're in a like I mean I could tell you. Is this vast water. We just he thought driven into a lake and he I wasn't his fault. There was a flash flood washed out the road and they put any signs up to tell anybody and you know I guess. Maybe it's because we just had lunch and he was traveling going probably faster than they should have but he didn't see it. We hit the water and like stunned skipping over. If you throw a stone across the ocean bounces across talk we became that stone we hydroplaned at rapid speed. And I can remember in the back of my mind because everything slows down right. It's down to everything. Everything seems like a slow motion experience like a movie and I remember saying to myself. Isn't Lindsey I said Lindsay. Don't lose it. Don't lose control of the car and then black nothing and that's all I remember the next thing you know I wake up and this this guy cutting the car apart with the Jewish life and I'm in the back and then on top of me is the cost seat from the front passenger seat and on top of that with my buddy's girlfriend and I'm these guys are cutting me out of the car and I'm literally GonNa say to them. Hey forget what about me get her. She's sitting on top of me. Inner getting it. But they wouldn't they wouldn't touch it and I'm like what the heck anyway they pulled me out of the Caro's Kinda gruesome they got me Out Put me on a stretcher. That point I look back and realized she was dead. And you know white waking up with a dead body on top of yours condom not something. I'd suggest just anybody but it happens and anyway they put you on a stretcher and put you on a medical ambulance and drive you back to the closest country. The town with a hospital and Put us in the emergency room and then I remember at that point. They put me on this. They must have injected something into me. Because I was is out for I think about six days on a medically induced coma while they tried to put me back together again and after that I woke up back in my hometown they must've airlifted us To our local hospital and I found myself in the bowels of the so socialist world of Medicine of Australia. And I'm in a room with six other people and I'm getting some level level of treatment and I'm on morphine and you know it was like that for a few days before they started trading Mesa ended up what ended up happening was. I broke my A riot fema snapped in half They pin that back together before I woke up which was good and then my left shoulder shoulder an humorous had been broken in five places and the Without getting medical everyone in the show. You know the. Tom Has a humorous big with bowl. On the top. That slots into your show joint in my case. The bullet completely broken off from the barn completely seven it and then the bone itself had broken five places so they pin the bone back together as best they could but they couldn't put the bowl on the top of the burn anymore because they have these pin sticking can out of it. Well when they do that the best they can do. Stick it on the side of the vine so I ended up walking around with this deformed shoulder and and and that was kind of I remember the doctor coming into the hospital saying I'm sorry buddy but this is what you got for the St Life. This is what you're going to be dealing with and I'm like are you kidding on Chit come on. You can do a better job that and he's like that's it that's the best we can do. You can have arthritis. You can have limited motion. Be Lucky can raise your arms above ninety degrees On a good day. But you know how you didn't die in Pat Nestles on the back here because you didn't know and I'm like well thank you for that can you. Can you can fix this thing. And he's like Ni- no medicine for you and that's and that was what I've been living with Lost Twenty S. Wow so what precipitated your deciding to to have fresh surgery and then going through the process of trying to figure out where and how we get that surgery. Why now well sort of period post surgery in Australia when I had this Before I decided to come back to the US. I found myself battling against the Insurance Company which connects the dots to tell the story so in in Australia when you register Sir Motor vehicle at least in the state where we lived? It was mandatory as part of your a distraction that the state government provides a third party liability. I see and it comes with the insurance. Your insurance is much higher than it would be in the United States. But you've got this this liability policy bill into it. It and that policy is supposed to cover anybody who has some sort of medical Impact from an accident of which clearly I was that guy always in the risk facile he I I note control of the vehicle. I have no control of destiny here by Warren so The medical the medical system works in straight years. You get put into the government medical system with the electrical not with the accident emergencies and in my case they put me in. They patched me up lace Shipman House and then all the post-surgery stuff was all supposed to be covered by the insurance that we were given by mandatory You know they pushed it on you. Don't get a choice was supposed to pick up the post off. It will the physical therapy everything and after a few weeks they went tying and I you know what gives guys and the and the answer was well. There was okay An accident vote day murder. I'm like no but wasn't a mid. She was killed. It was an accident is like well now we we are going to charge the drive live with negligent homicide. So the next thing you know. I'm my buddy is being you know going into state attained court proceedings. His girlfriend's family were obviously completely distraught with everything. Happened may not get that but they were throwing all the blame on him. which I don't know if I'd I'd I would not say that was his Fulton? No I mean I was in the cab. They wouldn't let me to testify in court. They just kept wanting to throw it on him and and Because there was this painting murder case that's how they closet homicide They wouldn't pay my medical costs so eventually that case was dismissed as you would expect it to be and then at that point. I'd already engaged with a lawyer to PSI to the payment medical and of course now there was litigation so they wouldn't pay me either and this on eight years I had no Covered medical medical for eight years while I was waiting for all of these things to blow out and meanwhile I got sick and tired of waiting around got remarried. I had a daughter I wanted to give my family a better life. I couldn't do it in Australia. Just wasn't economically feasible and the DOT com boom was calling so we'll go on. A Klein came to the United States and landed and it took another three assays before they eventually paid out on that client. Meanwhile I I come to the US no healthcare pre existing condition. I go to build everything from nothing. I'm literally gone from zero to millionaire. It's a huge two zero again and now I into back into the United States for a second time and thankfully within about six years I was millionaire again and that was just just because I was a business guy and I just I'd I'd take no for an answer I wouldn't put up with you know being told not not when everything in that just united into my life in in money and finance and eventually admitted into my life in medicine so the number of interesting trails we could go down I WanNa talk about your financial independence journey and a little bit on your ex patriation experience experience because that part of this But let's start with the move to Mexico to get the surgery that you had recently only so you. You came to a point as I understand the store you came to a point now recently where You said I want to get this taken care of where you experiencing further symptoms that that were exacerbated recently somehow kind of pushed over the edge of what happened it did a year ago we my wife and I would just bumming around Mexico because in the summer you don't want to stay in Arizona where we live. You want to get out so we we went down to A. We went to Mexico Cassini for a week. We're in Puerto Viata for a week and we just doing the tourist thing and I I. I'm in Puerto Vallarta going. I don't feel like I'm getting the Mexican experience here. Yeah so I said to watch some youtube videos of this magical place that everybody was retiring to Code I e and it was on this lake on Lake Chapala which is in Liska in the center of Mexico and it was one of these places where people could go down there and retire on social on the the US social security a live the rich life. I mean they were you know. These people were great. I said I want to go there. Let's go on a bus for five hours beginning Spanish unaware where I am. Let's just guard and she's she's interest so she says like okay. Let's do that so we get. On this bus we go to Guadalajara and then we get a new up to he he can I. I got out of the car and I saw this beautiful little town and these people were everyone was old now. old is the subjective tune but the average judge of people in his sixty five and what I saw with my own eyes and I noticed this in the first fifteen minutes of being that was the everybody was skinny skinny and I say skinny as in spilt they were not overweight. They was no it. Basically at all everybody was happy everybody was healthy. Not Everybody was social and it was like. Oh I wanNA live here. You know this is this is you are right and I I remember. We went up to the town square. And there was these people sitting on the and nobody's afraid to talk to anybody right so this couple of guys sitting on a park bench. And a wolf possum Zimin sparked up a conversation. I said that the guy you know what you look really happy. Tell me about what your life's like. And this guy who was a bet seventy tells me you know used. I used to live in Wisconsin and he couldn't afford to retire in America and he couldn't afford the healthcare and he came here and his life has been fulfilled and he's been there for ten years. Wow that's really interesting story. And and he says yeah because you know the medical service foldable but what do you mean because well you can get private health health coverage in Mexico for less than the cost of your deductible in America now come on you know that might be for the citizens he had been. It wouldn't be for for us. ex-pats gets Nice. You can get it. He says there's a public system as well when you get a permanent residence. He easy you get access to that but he said I don't need it. I can afford to go to my doctor three times a week because you know I'm paying a couple of hundred pesos. Which is like twenty bucks? And he's getting older best Kerr proactively. And that's why the healthy and and this resonated with I heard this message we go back back to Arizona back for about a year and lost much I wake up in numerous pain from my shoulder and I couldn't didn't work out. Why but it was which really really sore and I ended up it dissipated after about three weeks but it was Sudha pain that was really and and to be honest with you. I got scared because here I am going well. You know. This operation was twenty years ago. Maybe it's got like expiration date on it. Maybe I'll have to get done again. Maybe the pins are rusting out inside your arm exactly. Yeah exactly and and it's scary because you know and I thought Oh. got a problem here because I don't have health coverage in the. US and Australia says once you once you became a non resident for tax purposes. You don't get any healthcare from. I saw the body so I'm like what do I do. And then and that's when I remembered He so I got on the Internet. And I you know when some of these expat forum so the people who live down there I said look this anybody down there. No a good good or support a good orthopedic search and the everybody on the forums and these people getting hip replacements at knee replacements events and the whole bit and I told him what I needed and three people gave me the sign guys night and I thought that's interesting so commended up in June with Beck in Mexico and we went to Guadalajara where this doctor practices and a win civil him and he speaks perfect English and we sat down in the nicest guy. You could never imagine a guy as an isis. And he said well I think we can do. Is Saint Croix x-rays I essentially. He's he's in a very rich medical area connell like Beverly Hills almost as beautiful tree lined streets. You know expensive 'cause the whole bit and he says you know over the tools down the x Ray Clinic. I get me some mixed race. They took fifteen x rays. And the first thing I noticed was it cost me fifteen dollars. I thought what fifteen x rays for fifteen dollars okay. That's great so you get back into his his consulting rooms and he puts them up on the wall when he goes Okay well he said look. I could probably fix this. I'd have to complete elite shoulder. I'M GONNA have to total prosthetic complete new show to view but what I can I can do is I can't give you any guarantees. Surgery has risks and all the stuff to say but I can guarantee that I can get you bit. Emotion that you've got right now you might be limited in movement like you have been and and I said well how much is he gets calculated around runs at least now because it gives you some massive number but it's in pesos was was set in. US installers and he goes. I have a nine thousand bucks like kidding me. Of course I'm going to take that deal right and my wife is a nurse is is looking at me going. You've been at the stoop so okay we we we go ahead and say so. I may up doc when you won't mean and we put a date on the calendar of somewhere in September Eren says come back and see me then who get this done based essentially decided you wanna get it dom and since you here right now. I'm going to send you a three doors down the other way to this another imaging place. But they're going to do a full. Meyer island you like I actually had an MRI done because no one could afford it. They go down on there. I pay for it two hundred seventy US dollars for an MRI which is pretty pretty good. I'm in for twenty minutes. They took image after image. I image I go back to the doctor's office he gets Mariah which is up because now he's the detail and he goes. We better get this done. What what do you make as you see that I said Yeah? Let's let's Touma O. K.. He goes it's been online. So you're okay but you've got to get this thing done. And by the way the reason why you've been in so much pain and says all these bone spurs that deformed showed you've got that it is cutting into what's left of your muscle if you don't get it done. You won't have any chance of getting this done properly at all arcade doc signed me up. So that's where it we'll start. Wow do you have a sense. So let's go ahead and just continue it so then in September when the day came you and your wife went back to Mexico. Tell us about the process and your experience because you don't speak Spanish. You're not Mexican You come from you know western White Australia and the United States. So it's not that you're you're spending all your time in Latin America What was your experience as a patient of crossing that cultural divide? And what was your experience. Well the the one thing one thing that was really interesting was a different motivation. That was in the spirit of what was being offered to me. And you see this really quickly. This a sense of the Mexicans would call the Hispanic with a Latin community would would use the phrase La Familia the family the one thing that's really noticeable to me. Is that when you go into a doctor's office will you answer a hospital or a nurse comes into your room. You have been welcomed into their family and and you'll like uncle miles. WHO's in the family and they're gonNA treat you you like? They were treating their uncle. They're gonNA give you the best focus the best tension the best care and they don't let they don't leave any stone unturned with this and I've never experienced that before they were in Ustralia and a lot of people have very good experiences experiences of healthcare in Australia even though it's kind of the socialized medical system it free while it's it's not free it's taxed but it's you know it's freely available showing. The problem is that it's rationed and what that means. Is that even when you come out of a motor vehicle horrific motor vehicle. Correct some like I do. You don't get a Pri- that route you've put into award with six people and you don't get that premier level full of care if I if I could pay for I would've but when you're lying on a stretch and no one's asking you what sort of insurance you've got you just get shoved into the system and an adult. Get me wrong. I have so many friends who had doctors I think doctors have the most the most admirable people they represent to me the pinnacle of what we humans can be in the world. I mean they save other people's lives I mean I'm a suffer engineer by trade on it Saif people's lives so I mean I'm I'm not important. The guys save somebody's life he's important and so I raise them on high. I look at them as you know important people and and valued people and yet everybody. I spoke to an Australia. who had doctors would complain about the limited resources sources that were given to be able to do proper patient care and then in the US even was having a conversation with my physical physiotherapists this morning about this? And he's he's telling me yeah. Hate the medical system here. I have to do twenty hours a week. Coding just to be able to put my stuff through for Insurance and for all. Will you know all these things he says. I want to be helping patients. I didn't go to medical school to become a Coda and I get that that Danny Mexico. I have to deal with that stuff. Maybe they do to some degree but it seems like patient. CARE is the first and foremost focused and they. If you're willing to go win there with money and you advise yourself to the private system. They you get a hostile environment where there's no stress this no one running around i. When I was in hospital after the surgery I could press a button because maybe my IV was running low and this was in my room within thirty seconds? I I mean I get that sort of treatment that the at the Westin I mean this is this is crazy good. I've stopped first class treatment treatment. The hospital room. I was in a single remote to myself. It had a balcony with beautiful. You know like a tropical Outdoor Area I could go out and sit in the sunshine if I wanted like private terrorists. They treated my wife stay well while she was there that gave the with the best food. The best coffee the best anything you want. And it's not Maybe that was part of the bill that I don't think it was. I thought it was cultural. They see somebody who needs help and they give help. And they're not motivated with their the handout asking for money every every five minutes we'll limited by some insurance companies saying no. We're not kind. Where can deny that claim this is not medically necessary will or whatever they you just do it? It's beautiful I it certainly. There's so many ways that you can think about that but I like Mexicans. I've always had good experiences in the Mexican culture and there is certainly as you say. In the Latin cultures there is a greater greater appreciation of family and of relationship and that does have ongoing effects in other areas of life. And then I think think also one of the challenges things I've observed. I never figured out why this is but it just seems like to me from personal experience. It seems like doc there's simply get better customer service in some cultures than you do in others. I don't think the United States is the worst place in the world. But I'll tell you if I have have the choice ever to fly on either Latin airline or an Asian airline. I always choose that instead of an American carrier just because the the experience the you get with the customer service from the flight attendants the way that you're treated is night and day different and I I've heard I haven't really traveled in the region of the world where they say the customer services legendarily worse than the US but it is refreshing to go into other cultures. Where are you get much more of a sense of warmth and caring than you often do in the United States? I would also add to that that I mean unnoticed this from coming from Australia to the US is that you know you go to a restaurant and the title service you get from the White Earl. The waitress is outstanding. I mean way better than we would ever get back. Strategy is absolutely over the top amazing but then the motivation is they want the tip and that's okay on mind paying for quality because at the end of the day we will work hard and we if we get it to keep our money we can choose where we want to spend it and we're going to reward quality service This that's just the free market work and make huge free market advocate so that to me is is core to success here. The problem is when you don't have a free market when it's being controlled by Like a protest environment or it's artificially manipulated by government policy like this saying medicine and that's where things break down and and for that reason I came up with this sort. Love methodology it when it comes to healthcare for myself and I've been using it for a while and that is to not try to think of healthcare is a one and size fits all system but to break it up into three segments. I which I will preventative. And that's the stuff that we will you you know have responsible fairest ferron. Biology are embodies. So you eat right. You go to the gym. You don't smoke. You know you all the the stuff that's good for you. That we know is going to extend your life is going to keep the high quality of life and stuff. Look I can go to fifteen gyms within a ten mile radius of my house and I can choose price and quality individually so they will have to compete with each other and consequently my monthly gym membership fee is fairly affordable confined. You can go to go to the country club gym if I want to spend that money or I can go to twenty four fitness. It doesn't matter I have the choice. So that's that's great preventative. The the second section I call elective surgery that I'm going to choose to have a my schedule. which the case was with my shoulder but it might be somebody say a hip or it might be a neo throw skippy or might be some of the it may be cataract? Surgery may be dental. They can choose to get that done big on their schedule and they're in control of wind. Get it done and this is where I think. There's a problem because the ninety percent of the people that I've spoken to in the US when it comes to elective surgery the first thing they do is they they go to the health insurance provider and find out who who's going to cover me for my hip replacement well physically. He's the interesting dynamic and I've done the math on this. An average cost of a hip replacement in the United States and I've done research across a bet. Tin Different cases uses in hospitals and so on the average cost works out to about a fifty thousand dollar cost if you go to Mexico in Guadalajara and you go into an orthopedic Patick Surgeons Office. He will give you a menu much like going to McDonald's tonight. You want the number two burger or whatever it is he will give you a menu anew and he will tell you a hip replacement is forty four hundred dollars. US cash and that's his feet and if it takes longer he eats it. You don't eat it and when you look at that price differential it's it's less than a tenth of the cost of the US and and all of a sudden it's like that guy what she business and the reason is you can go into that market and you can compare him against the guy next door against the going the hospital over there against the guy here and you can choose based on price and quality and outcomes. You can even look at yelp reviews surgeons down there and find out who's got the best review and that's important to me again the free market which keeps competitive pricing cing down and quality op when it comes to elective and the insurance who cares when it's forty four hundred dollars my deductibles ten grand. My entire choice shoulder replacement was less than my deductible here so it at that point you pal back now. God forbid you end up in an accident much like oh I had or you have some chronic condition. You'll born with a condition you get cancer. You have a heart attack all those things that none of us want anybody to have gotree. But it's life we're ball biological incidence. We have is choke line. We are going to go through those things to some degree and at that point what I would say is. That's the choice when you don't get to shop around for your physician or your hospital it's like just take me somewhere in. Patch me up. Please elise and that's going to be when you need to lean on insurance and if we can somehow craze situation where we take control of their own in preventive responsible we live good life that way and we take control of when we need elective surgery with willing to pay for it as self and we site money up recover escrow broke and we aren't really needed insurance the adverse events. Well if you count the number of times in your life that you've had an adverse event did date all of a sudden shorts with drop down dramatically if it only needed to cover that. Yeah you do you label that as acute acute care. What do you use for category number? Three in terms of your labeling I've been calling it adverse chronic adverse or chronic preventative preventive collective and adverse or chronic. I think in. Interestingly I think that is one of the areas where the American healthcare system really shines I. I don't know this from data. This is just an impression but it seems to me that if I'm in a car accident I'd like to be in the. US The the surgeons gines and the the life support systems and whatnot are world class. It seems to me that the really world class and that seems to be where I think. Think the where I have tremendous admiration for the medical systems. The Er surgeons of the people who are involved in that kind of high level acute care And the other areas seem to be the preventive certainly seems to be where we don't do very well as a culture and then the elective is kind of in and of itself I don't know enough to categorize it on that. It is very frustrating. Being an advocate of free markets myself. It is often so difficult and frustrating to talk about the medical system. And because it's not it's not any one thing right especially in the US. It's not a government run taxpayer run system with all of the associated problems but advantages but neither is it a free market system with all of the associated advantages. It's like this this monstrous hybrid. That has a few good things and a whole lot of bad things all mixed up together so finding solutions to that is is very daunting. I've always is found in life but when I when I lose choice as a consumer or as a purchaser of something that's when pricing is out of control. And that's when I have really nice I in the Madison might be saying my Internet service provider If I only have one to choose from I can charge me. Whatever they want and I got no choice in the matter? I have to pay it. And it's the same with most Source Markets. They kind of things you if you can you want to avoid awesome. You WanNa go to places where this choice in and price competitiveness in quality competition and all of that and medical has so much much of that except for address and I think it's fair to say that advocacy is not likely to be a good fit for the free market economy. And for that reason I do see a role of government or some third party insurance whatever it might be playing a role in provision of that. Care as long as it's never rationed and it's not the he there has to be conditions on this. You cannot use emergency room as your entry into a healthcare procedure unless you need to be there because it's an agency right and and that's where we've we've lost it because people who don't have insurance who don't have money. Will they go to the urgent care or the local. GP or they you know family practitioner. They go to the room and they end up getting between five and two thousand dollars bill for walking in because they've got bronchitis that could it just needs some antibiotics or something right. I mean this. This is a drain on an industry. That shouldn't be used that way. I agree I don't know how to solve it. I I what I do. Think is that as individuals. I don't know how to solve the whole economy right but I do believe I do. Trust that. Individuals can make intelligent decisions for themselves themselves in the midst of it and two comments one. If I could I was shopping. Health insurance prices with the health insurance broker recently and we were talking about it just to see because I've got I've grown rusty of last year's on health insurance marketplace but I was able to work out and get one quote on a policy that with one broker for something only one hundred thousand dollar deductible and a forgotten this now. 'cause it's been few months. I can't quote the prices but I looked in said you know. How high could we get the deductibles or anything available in the marketplace and the the best thing that I would like to see especially for people who have money have savings etc is you just take on on preventative and elective care yourself and yourself ensure through all of the even major stuff most wealthy people you can? You can self insure a ten or twenty thirty or forty thousand dollar risk but if you can just have that coverage from fifty thousand to five million that's the coverage that you need and that's where insurance is the perfect perfect fit. It's the perfect solution. That's where insurance really shines is protecting from catastrophic very unlikely very well things that only affect few people but are catastrophes. That's where insurance is a perfect design and then everything else it can just be out of pocket but I think that that's only accessible to people especially in the US. If they. I understand that there are other options. You can go to Mexico for your elective surgery. You can go to Costa Rica for your dental work. You can go to Brazil for your plastic surgery. You can go to Malaysia for your heart treatment. And by the time that you've factor in even with all the other cost with a lot of these things you factor in airplane flights you factor in hotel and lodging. There's still such dramatic price differential that if you're paying for yourself you definitely should should consider it and price it out and I think this will be A. It is a growing industry in my understanding. And I think it'll be a growing industry in the future miles. How much did you estimate estimate your surgery would have cost just bought it in the United States? Yeah that was a very interesting research because I had no and this this brings up a very good point about insurance this cash And I think I know in poss- programs you've you've talked talk about this but it's absolutely true. True in the case of medicine being a cash customer is not an advantage at all The problem is you don't have any negotiating power on contract pricing. Because you'll just go I with some money in their pocket and the medical industry sees you as You know a good extortion target. They won't that money and and everything else you got. I mean that's just the way it works so in that regard when I went shopping. Try to price this surgery out and my sewage re- required a total shoulder replacement it required removal of previous previous work that was done in the peons. It requires a lot of clean up work So all of those factors were were in there. I stopped around and I went online. I said what's the cost of a total shoulder. And if the insurance companies who negotiate down the prices will tell you I twenty five five to thirty thousand dollars somewhere around there. That's if you've got insurance well DART because it's pre existing. They're not going to touch it. They weren't even he may exist contract pricing. I can't can't do anything like that so I went back to a friend of mine. WHO's a doctor in southern California and I said to him? Look you're on the inside. Can you tell me what you think. Think this procedure would cost me. And so he you know dinosaur lighter he got back to me and he said Yeah. I cold around spoke to a a friend of mine automated surgeon and we looked at. You know what you're doing and we think looking at the hospital cost anesthesiologist. Surgical team probably probably a hundred and twenty five thousand dollars and I was floored. Wow I you serious because yeah that would be a normal a normal charge for something along those lines and so I said but I'm paying Tan. He can and and then the phone went dead he it just kind of pick himself off the floor ago. I you kidding I'm like no. That's what they charging me and and this is before I had the surgery injury so the funny thing is after finish. The surgery owns being discharged. They they will you out of the hospital and they say you straight to the finance department right. 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA pay the bill and here. I am with my visa at in hand and I the lady. She spoke perfect English and she was telling me she was. She must have lived in California for like ten years and then with back to Mexico and tell me about all this stuff and say she's working on the Computer Punch buttons next thing you know. She presses the button to print. And I say. The laser printer spitting out like ten pages of Bill. Everything just ten pages of every single thing they ever did in the hospital and she he comes up and she she gives me some huge number and it causes seem Tyson I said. US Stola how much we talking about now or paid twelve hundred dollars As a deposit to go in there and the balanced leftover was thirty. Eight fifty or something like that. So let's say five thousand dollars for the hospital and I thought. Wow that's incredible inaugural hostile two nights three days and older surgical stuff stop from whatever and then so I paid that and then I got back to the doctor's office a day later and he was checking on the stitches in the. You know all the stuff they did and I said Lassana to settle up with you. I mean how much do I do. I only guys prosthetic we had to buy that separately. It was custom built and the surgical team made to be. He paid so on your way out. Go see the lady at the desk and she'll give you the bill here. I am with my Visa Card in hand again. I go to her and say all right how much she rattles off assist massive number in pesos. Out The whole thing was like Five grand or something a little bit less than and it was just tighter. What's scary about about doing business in Mexico? is they use the dollar sign. Exactly the same as they do in the United States so it doesn't say five thousand Mexico's patient Mexican pesos. It says five thousand dollars and so you you look at the pricing and you do a lot of times. There's no indication doesn't say USD or emmy accident. Just you just says a dollar sign and five thousand then you know to go and pull out your aphid okay. Good this is Mexican Mexican dollars instead of instead of us. I remember the first time I was in Mexico just everywhere I'm thinking they use the same. They've dollars side. How do I know the difference? You know what's really funny and this is kind of not related specifically to the medical side of things but you know how I paid for so this House that I pay with. Bitcoin really done really well at is some bitcoin investments for a long long time ago and I bought a a bunch of real estate with a with when I sold it all at twenty thousand seventeen. I had a few bits of leftover change from the sitting on a hobby. Wallet somewhere and it just so happens. I don't know somebody blessed me with. Bitcoin went to twelve thousand dollars again. So I said well let me see what sort of loose change lying around the the couch. I had enough money in Bitcoin. Pay For the whole procedure. So the funny thing is is after the surgery. I said you know you're going to get offense of this but I'm paying for the whole thing in Bitcoin and he's spoke up and he wanted to hit the whole thing about it and he says we need to start taking bitcoin down the thinking. Yeah you oh you do buddy great. That'd be great so I'd like to make good use of our time and kind of change here so the net summary my next summer you can say yes or no mine that summer. So far are you had a great experience hero to get quality quality surgery that you needed. You're able to get a great price and things are better and you do it again. If you had to. Is that a good summary. Summary Yes sir. All right so that's valuable to share. And I think that there are many people who have family members burs and who are listeners. Who probably have things that they could have done? They'd like to have that surgery that liked to have you know they'd like to have have plastic surgery or they'd like to have a certain procedure like you said a hip replacement or something to done and yet they've not thought of doing it. They know they don't have the money for it. Well look around the world because in today's world you can get on an airplane and within twenty four hours you can be just about any corner of the globe. It's pretty incredible. And what what that means is that now you have the opportunity access these markets and what. I think people are often under appreciative of is they think that there's somehow a Falling behind in medical knowledge in other places and in reality. Sometimes it's the opposite right. Sometimes you'll have great doctors and poor the doctors anywhere in the world just like with anything else but my experience being just simply a lay person. WHO's not really qualified to address? Competence has been. I've been impressed by doctors. I've met all over the world and so if you trust yourself a little bit to go with your feelings go with whatever external data you can gather do do the reviews etc but we're in a world of increasing competition and you can use that to have some solutions to your To your medical problems especially especially in you may be able to afford it if you look around the world and I remember years ago. I read On bumfuzzles blunt puzzle blog. Patrick and Allie Solti they. We're out traveling around the world for years. And they came back to the United States and they're going to have a baby and and they didn't have insurance. They went to Mexico to have the baby and the benefits at that and I think in her case she had a C. Section there c-section. Bill was three thousand bucks all those of us who've had babies in the United States. That if you ever see section. You're you're in the tens of thousands of dollars very quickly twenty to thirty thousand dollars. That's too big of a risk. especially if you're uninsured and obviously I. I try to be a prudent person but there have been times in my life where I'm uninsured ensured I've been uninsured from health insurance perspective and I don't think it's as big of a risk as it's often laid out to be certainly it's a risk but in life we take risks and so if you find find yourself in a situation where you're uninsured or uninsurable looking around the world if you're GONNA have a baby go have the baby in Mexico Get some immigration benefits out of it. You have nice Mexican baby Instead of just an American baby and also it can help you to cover you. It is really nice. especially if you're coming from a wealthy country or you're earning in American dollars in the United States or other places in the world it's really nice to go to a place where you can have worked on and not worry about what the bill is is is going to Schoepp because within you within your comfort level you can be in the hospital for days and you're not worried about it Now I can't solve why that is the case in the United States but I know I can solve it for you in some circumstances if you'll expand your ideas around the globe anything else that you'd like to add on medical tourism before we switched to fire miles well. It's interesting that there are some overlaps with medical tourism and financial independence. Because I would not have been able to have the opportunity to go to Mexico and do the research if I had to report for work everyday at nine. Nine o'clock You know we we give up so much freedom with this kind of social mantra of work that we lose use the opportunities and if you're any good a couple of weeks vacation a year and you're gonNA spend a week of traveling to Malaysia to get you know research a medical procedures or something along those lines It's very difficult to be able to achieve that. You almost feel like you sort of you stuck in the system's Kinda like a prisoner can never get out you know. And when they get out they get drawn back. Keen will something I mean. It's it's a very very tough will you. You need to have life freedom to be able to get life in this case. It's just part of it otherwise you're just going to pull back on your local hospital unit your local insurance and you might you get a choice. Yeah there's no question absolutely as one of the many costs of working having being forced to limited constraint when you go to vacation everyone houses on vacation too because especially with children. You know. You're doing things on school calendar and you're limited vacation. You wind up thing about travel. I don't know how it's extremely difficult when you're stuck in a very short vacation winded to travel effectively because you wind up spending lots and lots of money to do things at certain specific times uh-huh and you've got to do everything fast and so you wind up spending tons of money whereas those who have built time flexibility to life it can be through financial independence can be through self-employment it can be through seasonal work etc.. You can make the money stretch much farther so certainly. It's a good point while as you call your your blog be unconstrained and you've got this liberty oriented bent I think that's why we have some things in common. How do you look at the world when it comes to your own personal liberty? What choices are you making to expand your liberty? Well I. I'm a firm believer that the buck stops on my disk but anything I choose and decide on so that that kind of is my starting point I also so believe that I I mean it's very easy for people who have come from a country with twenty five million people living in. It's it's not a very big place and in that sort of Country Economy Mike the rules up as you go along you know I. I haven't lived there for a long time but when I grew rob in the seventies and the eighties in the strike there were no there was no incident. There was no will travel as much. Everybody just sorta whipped it out and we were an island window isolated unto ourselves and we had to. They were rules a main. You know the government imposed rule so a social cultural rules. Whatever but for the most part everything was a pragmatic matic decision based on? What's GonNa fix the problem right now? Will what's going to avoid the for the future. We didn't predisposes anybody's future based on education or a work whatever and I kind of embrace that The other thing which affected my thinking in regards to that particularly particularly regarding liberty was what I saw my father. Go through and it's not a story I tell all that often but I'll share it. He My father worked for the same company company for forty odd years before he retired and I remember the day retired He got himself. The traditional goal will auction the what Cola superannuation plan down they would like a like a pension 401k thing and my my mother and him managed to go to Europe for six weeks had a great time traveling as you probably would do the into retirement but Two years later he died and he I had to to be the guy to to identify the body and bury him and I went through that whole process. And I'm an only child so it all ended up on my shoulders so I walked. I won't through that whole process than than You go through. The the scientific pragmatic were what killed it. What what golf and the doctor said we had a heart attack and he died? Well what we find out is that Many years before that he always had problems with his lungs he was always coughing and I never really realized what it was. I just thought the guy had you know we was every young age. He was like my most people in the thirties and forties. He was a smoker. Like everybody was back in north. Thought might be. That was something to do with it. Well it wasn't. He worked for a very large. Aw Corporation that was nice minus strategy that might building products. In one of the key products that they were ex- scene was roofing and the particular particular product heat was exposed to estes and so for most of his working career in the forty odd years he worked in this corporation and he subscribed to the you know the company will always look after me and on the company man and you know he was a very loyal employees to that the company screwed screwed him. Either I mean they killed him. They didn't know they were doing it for a lot of the time. But they knew just like you know how Philip Morris no of the tobacco companies. He's got cold out. They knew for the last ten years. I was selling that product that it wasn't good that was cast Janik that it shouldn't have been on the market and they eventually pulled hold it and he just got the raw deal and died of Lung cancer and I kinda watch that and I guess maybe I was about twenty years old when I had to putting the rest and everything and I I realized I. I don't want to go down that path. I don't want that to be my life. I don't want to be if it's not about financial independence it's about independence. I don't WanNa be relying on any third party for anything. I don't want to rely on government. I don't want to rely on banks. I don't want to rely on the into reserve. I don't want to rely on corporations. I sure do not want to rely on a boss who I have less respect for. WHO's holding my Thai check above my head saying you'd better do this or you're not getting it? I mean I want that life I want freedom and and then like having made that decision I looked at this whole social mantra. This cultural social norm that we've sold ourselves in our kids and I realized realized it didn't fit me. This go to school will until you're I eighteen years old and then choose whether you want to go into the trades or you WanNa go back into college and then go and do another four six or eight years more of tissue education and and and I thought well that's admirable. I want to be an architect or were lawyer or an accountant or a doctor or something like that. Yeah that works really really well for that that what if I just WanNa be me I just want to be a human being and have a good life and look after a family and I. I'm not afraid to work hard and I'm not afraid to be smart and learn and read and study because life in education doesn't end at the aged twenty two. My my daughter just graduated this year and I'm part of the reason I did. My blog was more of a service to her. I realized you know what I'm fifty four years old. She Ain't gonNA listen to me. She's not going to listen to my life stories and what I've learned because I'm I'm just At you know I'm not important but what she might do is one day. Maybe if I could tell everybody else this story she might look at it then and guy. Hey maybe he wasn't such daas in the end anyway. Maybe maybe he did have something to say. Maybe the fact that he lived lived a life without having a width for Boston. And you know he he has his freedom. I kinda grew up with that and thought that was normal but now I'm working working for American Express everyday and I'm stuck in a cubicle somewhere. I start realizing how how it's not new and I. I wanted her go to realize that although I put it through college and paid for education everything that eighty five percent of all of her P. is will data that college degree with student line debt and wipe be able to participate with real estate market speculation by Godal invest in Japanese corporations. And whatever. They WANNA do that. Might be their form of risk management and asset acquisition whatever. They can't participate in that. Because they've got this Albatross amid I'm back that they can't get rid of and and that's not right because half of the degrees. Those kids came out within the going to work in that field. Or they're gonNA come out like half of her class graduating class. Twenty thousand at the University of Arizona this year that I watched them all come out a bunch of them got picked up by Goldman Sachs. She did a business major at so they're going to go to Wall Street and worked for Goldman Sachs and they're going to be war. We'll look at me off this great job. Yeah and you've got an eight thousand dollars a month apartment and you can't afford this and you can't afford that but you got this great job and then three years ago you know miserable working on Wall Street. Three I'm going to get out of Wall Street. What Am I? What am I doing this work? Because student loan debt because the U. S. like at what point is this not stupid. It's it's just insane to not question this and say you know who's responsible for you. Who makes your life choices? Is that you or Social Culture and social norms. Are Your parents telling you to do these things. Because they really don't have the aunts of themselves that they went through that process and therefore they just trying to do the same thing for you stay in school get degree get a good job work hard. You know you'll be fine at the age of sixty I five you'll retire and you'll get your pension. Let's God forbid hope you don't die in two years now. I know. I'm I'm a an outlaw. I know I'm really odd but when I see people coming out of the financial independence will the fire movement and I understand that this saint sing. something's not riot and they're trying to do something. Atypical too. Bright the MODE I. I applaud them at -solutely applaud them. But I also and so cautious. They don't go into the process of of Wilkin themselves into a cult based Feith oriented movement. That says you two can retire the age of thirty eight because I can tell you right now at the age thirty eight. You don't WanNa be retiring because you shouldn't be working working for money. You know this many better reasons for you to work and so many better reasons for you to to be a better person into really extend yourself and it shouldn't be all about money so if they say I don't want to retire early that I want to be financially independent so I can go out there and pursue the Wilton beat Ernest Hemingway and be Marco Polo and be these great people who travel and embrace the world and be as I say unconstrained right and not shackled down by anything they can have a life with living. And that's all I want and that's all I wanted for my daughter and one day. Maybe she'll well listen. You're in that if you just graduated from college in that time where you don't get a lot of feedback you just gotTa wait right and then I think in general at least if our experience with our parents is any indication you start to recognize that your parents get smarter as the years go by. So it'll insolently will turn it will and I realize that everybody May Send in a sitting here on your on your podcast house talking about all these things and proliferating my views on what the world is and all these sort of things they're not going to resonate with everybody people are going to question me and think He's an idiot. He's crazy. Who would do those sorts of things but I just I just ask somebody to look in their own backyard and question with a Living in a house with a garage full of stuff they never shoot a bullet in the first place or the the the living a life. They're not happy with the going to work the stuck in traffic. This stuck in a in a gridlock and they can't seem to escape it and I don't question me question that what and find out what the answer to solve that is and then you have your own. Odds isn't worried that my position and stuff. It does seem obvious that on I see examples on every hand that it's more unusual for me today to find somebody who Most people that I mean question. Everyone feels like something's wrong. Something's wrong with with the way that our modern society is fracturing People up is pushing people into certain lifestyles that are just fundamentally in some ways unhealthy for humanity and and so everybody's looking for solutions to some of these problems and some people find find interest solution. Some people find solutions people find familial solutions but uh-huh many people seem to be looking for solutions and I'm optimistic. I think that with the ability that we have to proliferate information ideas from your wacky ideas to my wacky ideas then more people are trying new things and there's never before been a time where you could be exposed to more interesting innovative ideas. Whether that's is to live in the city you know live in a city living in a van. Make half a million dollars in retire or that's moved. The country live in a self built hut and retire or that way or in almost any permutation thereof so. I am excited that I do see a major ground swell of interest in these topics and looking for solutions. Botswana closes out here by simply saying being a man who retired at thirty two went from zero to hero them back to zero then over the years building up another portfolio said fifty four. Now your daughters graduate from college that puts you in a new phase of life. Where do you think you'll go from here and why? Well I don't really have I. I'm very lucky I I learnt at this trick many years ago. Which I co financial sustainability? And it's the ability in money when you're asleep and make sure oh that the amount of money that you're earning and people call that passive incumbent. I'd do it through real estate or I do it through vending machines or other forms of investments which generate income on their own. I don't rely on Wall Street stock markets or anything like that. I do everything on the mind control. But I've created rated situation where the amount of income that I bring in every month is equal to my been right WH- my cost of living is so I live neutral. I don't have any costs. I don't need to to work I choose to because there are certain projects in the world that I really want to embrace as I get older I noticed. Just my assets grow and they've grown to the point now where I could just celebrating up and go and live on an island somewhere gasp. But that would be very boring. What I'm starting to see is that there's a role for me That isn't about making about choosing something to you. Do that has a dollar sign attached to it. It's about an ability to give back and my wife is very much the same belief we both were raised. You know is Christians and we both of the belief that you know you give when you can and in our particular case we self in a place where we're we're lucky we've You know we've we've KINDA HOUSE OFF WE'VE Buydell. We've got some rental properties we've got income. We don't adores already finished college. We don't need to work taught. We still have that yuning need to be of service. And so one of the things we discovered in recent trips we were down in San Miguel so in Mexico and meeting up with a bunch of other expats which I absolutely enjoyed was fantastic down there but we found places with providing service back to the community. The there's a long tradition of that down in that town and we sort of thought you know what is a role for us here. My wife is a wonderful clothing designer. And she wants to be able to do work with the local communities of Addison's into encourage people who who may not have financial wherewithal oak. She wants to go and volunteer at an orphanage down there and work. What I discovered was that with my work in the computer industry I do a lot of whip with school districts and they took out thousands of two year old laptops under the auction market? I happen to have an inroad to that. So I'm my goal is to buy Palette loads these computers and ship them down there and start a little operation where I can refurbished taste machines that give them out to kids and teach them how to use technology. I want to give back. I don't want money. I don't need money but I need something. That is more I have to transcend that. I have to. I'm like a maslow's hierarchy of needs. I want to get to the top here and the best thing I can do is I have to give back doc. It's my turn to give back now as it should be absolutely. Now thank you for coming on. I've enjoyed your writing every thank you for reaching out to me and interacting with me online. That was how we develop a relationship and I'll just point out to you That the way that miles wound up on radical personal finance hence. Today I get just I mean I would imagine I don't know if you know we're not miles but I get Lots and lots of requests every single day from people who you are asking me to be on radical personal finance. I just ignore them all. I ignore them all but what it don't ignore when people actually engage with something something and so the way that you ended up today. Having this conversation was that you started reaching out to me we started chatting back and forth on twitter. Copied me on some of your article started hard. Reading articles enjoyed it and and enjoy your story and then over time That led to you. wrote me an email and said hey come on and tell the story. It's a story that fits the audience and and That's why I had you on so you've doing a masterful job with your marketing. There tell my audience be unconstrained DOT COM. 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She ends up dropping the decision in the end She takes the first set It was actually very high level tennis from selena in the first set as she ended up taking it six two drops next two sets six four six once again. A two six six four six one win four coups nets of a. I know that six one scoreline sounds bad i. I'm sorry. I'm getting into the matches now. I said i wasn't going to do a deep dive. I know that six one set sounds bad but just for some context. I believe five of those first six games and i think six of the seven opposed six of the seven games overall Win to at least one deuce. So fiddling a was in all those games she just could not put the point The ball away against koos nets vote but again it was a three-set loss for selena. Kiki burton's lost her match to martin sova but of course he burton still coming back from injury. Kavita was out in the second set in a match against jill teichmann of course covet of a was our winner last week in doha. So if that's very surprising to you let you. I suppose think of That's a that's just thought you have to. I suppose the consideration. I say you have to weigh on your own but just the thought madison keys continuing to play her way back into form only second event for her after she tested positive for covid in january she lost pot a ova. Von through civil. Lost three set match to gough. A petra martic lost kiki mladenovic. Who if you listen to this podcast. You know was fantastic. Last week in leone. And so you know. Petra martijn hardcourt. Is that her best surface ever know but just some context to that loss and then. Of course you had rebecca three-set thriller. She lost who's jabor and then sock are- straight-set loss to crutcher cova in her. First match of all of those eight upsets. I would say the only ones that shocked me are soccer. losing to crutcher krecko. That is absolutely a shock. I'm i'm not surprised. I mean other than that. I'm looking across the board. If you watched the jabbour rebecca match that was a pick em and jabbar's played so exceptionally of late. I thought rebecca played really well. Also that was just a really fun. Match was a three senator who is an either or the moderna. Vich result might be surprising if she hadn't so good in leone. I mean maybe signaling. I guess that's the one she should have won that match soccer koreans fiddling. Two of the eight upset surprised me. But and you know again. The fiddling one may be a stretch but that speaks the parody right now in the women's game and you look right now at the round of sixteen. We have set. Here it's a fantastic. A set of matchups for all of us tennis fans. You look at the eight singles matches. We're going see who's nets of over scratchy. Cova papova verse bench. Teichmann verse shapur. Goff martin sova sh- beyond peck muga reuther helo controversy sap. Linka that is a match. Made for me garcia mertens and a peculiar plus cova. Excuse me rematch. After they faced off last week when flip applicable had like ten hours of rest in between the two matches. So it's really fun round of sixteen slate. Of course you talk about how we got here. The player whose performance has stood out to me the most is coco gov and of course you look for the young us an turning seventeen i believe in four days a young american eighteen and ten now in her last fifty two wins over a katharina andro and marquette von through silva in three sets here this week and that is now two of seven consecutive matches. She has played that have gone three sets the most amazing part of that streak she six and one in those seven matches and i sixteen year old to be playing this brand of physical tennis It's spectacular and the thing that was so amazing in the differences in her performance. Between von von throughs fanatic alexandrova. Matches is just the differences. In the way she played against alexandrova. She started throwing these high loopy elevated over the net balls to just get the ball above the shoulder of a katerina alexandrova to non. Let her have balls in her strikes that she's taking early in redirecting flat down the line and it was such a smart adjustment and she continues to be effective with her first. Serve now at first. Serve percentage has been forty nine point five percent fifty point five percent through her first two matches and obviously that's something. She'll continue to improve on throughout her career. But she's just such a problem solver on the court and her movement allows her to be in a position to compete in each and every point and again she can do so many different things against von through of you know vandross have matched her patients in the first set in was six. Three two vendors of golf was a little bit too passive and then i think goth figured out. Oh what you have to do. Is attack that big boundaries of a forehand backswing with pace and she'll sit a ball up and then you know gossip ball around and she's so good when she's in the outer thirds as well and through so by the way was very good in this match and and got a little bit testy which is always fun when these matches get competitive between two young up and comers. Because you know we're going to get to see it again in the future. But for coco gov she just the way she competes. She can do a little bit of everything she's comfortable. Moving forward volleying. She's comfortable taking balls early. Out of the air hitting swinging volleys off of both sides of course the forehand the second serve continued to need work but continued suffering. She's not even seventeen years old. She's one six of her past seven three set matches. She's come out blazing this year. You look for her now. In the rankings. She's up to number forty but in the live rankings. After her victories this week she's gonna move up to number thirty seven which is a new career high. She's been spectacular and martin sova a very winnable match for her in the round of sixteen and just again the the different way. She does it in this six of seven matches. She's beaten kai yuan the talented youngster. Who i'm gonna talk about in a little bit. She's beaten a martijn. Paolini rogers alexandrova von through silva her only loss a three-set loss to belinda. Bench who is still alive in the round of sixteen and played very very well in her match against veronica. Cooter matova And all last week in. Excuse me geez i. I'm just so excited about the tennis folks. I apologized but And i seem to have gotten it there in case you are curious at home but Four you know cocoa. It's just she. There's a reason people consider you. Look you watch her play. You can see the talent you can see the athleticism of it. There's a reason people are very excited about her and she continues to deliver results. Which is the thing. That is most exciting for all of us. Tennis fans fantastic first two matches for her here in dubai. she advances to the round of sixteen oregon. She is going to face martin. Sova you look at some of the other pathways for these players. How they got to this round of sixteen. I mentioned that. Belinda bench match with a three-set victory for her over veronica. Cooter matova bench advancing alternately. With and i don't wanna get the scoreline wrong i apologize. There's been about it to think they're already through three days of action in dubai that is of course a little bit a product of the time difference and you know the fact that some of these matches happened so early for us here in the united states but for bench was six four five seven six four victory for customer tova. He just feel bad. A you know feel bad is the wrong word but you look for her over her past couple of events the fact that she lost you know this week. It was a three-set loss to bench last week to in six to mugabe reuther the week before three and six in adelaide in the australian open she beats posture. Beats grachev before losing to simona halep. She's right there her level she is going to make a jump this year folks and you look for her i suppose given the fact that in the ranking she has already made a jump up to number thirty four which is her new career high in singles. That jump is happening. but it shouldn't surprise everyone. She was right. There with bench. Bench is starting to play about tennis. We saw from her throughout the twenty nine thousand nine season. Just such a prolific shot maker her ability to absorb pace in redirected even when the balls at her feet if she makes clean contact with the ball she takes control of the point again her movements not great. It's fine abortion her comfort. moving forward her. I just take to say better. Big Her gumption i mean her willingness to go big play to win. Play on her terms. You love it and so again four bench. That was a fantastic result. Very excited to see her play again against pot. Pov- that to match. She can very much when you look across the board again for some of these players for boor That three-set match she played against rebecca was outstanding. A seven six four six six two victory for her. It was power tennis versus Creativity it was just you know redocking play one speed. It's fast. it's very very very fast. And she is going to have a run folks as she and her game is very much predicated on confidence in once. She gets a little bit more confidence back. We'll see her regain that form she had at the beginning of last season but jaguars and full control right now. The slices the dropshots that ability to take the ball early. she's a sneaky. Fantastic mover around the court Again the level of play in. Doha has been extraordinarily in doha in dubai. Excuse me has been extraordinarily high. Should were just another player. You throw on that list and again you look at the matches we have tomorrow round of sixteen battles across the board. I believe we're going to see all eight. We have a peculiar plus followed by controversy. Sap palanca garcia mertens fianc technical rufa than teichmann jabbour. I think that action starts three. Am on the east coast. So yes get up early folks that you had the opportunity to hear from these players in our from the presser segments on our cracked interviews. Podcast morrow we've also got cruise months of a crutch cova pov- appendage and gov martin's sova throughout the day so should be fantastic day of action in dubai. Let's switch gears now. Stay with the w. t. two or but move to guadalajara where i had the chance to speak with one of our winners on the first day of of main draw play One of the many many many countless at this point. Do you want me to list them. All i can list them all if you want in fact. Let's do a little tangent action. This is half the fun of when i go. Han solo on these podcasts. You look at the players. The wj live rankings players currently under the age of twenty one who are inside the top one hundred. How many would you guess there are. I'm gonna let you think for a second while. I offer skate while i buy time. While my browser loads. But if you're going to say that number is twelve congratulations to you. You should go to las vegas tomorrow. The twelve players under the age of twenty one who are currently inside the top one hundred be bianca andress q. Grand slam champion. By the way she turns twenty one pretty soon but grand slam. Champion egos context still nineteen years. Old grand slam champion. Amanda niessen mova nineteen years old. Diana is trump cut nineteen years. Old coco goth. Who i just waxed poetically about sixteen years old And and those are all by the way those five top forty players. You have an lee hu twenty year old american number seventy two anastasia papova who i just talked about. Also live in the dubai round of sixteen. She's nineteen years old. Kaas jokes eighteen. Lay the fernandez. Who is playing. I believe right. Now as i'm recording this in guadalajara currently in the third set up for three on callen sky is also a only eighteen years old. And then you've got yuan a twenty year old slovenian number nine d. in the rankings. Twenty years old garage of ninety four clara toss and ninety six. Of course i didn't mention players like mcnally or co-chair ratto sig way clara burell. And you know so. Many other talented youngsters currently climbing their way up the rankings. But i'm telling you folks had there have been a full season last year cayenne would have cracked the top one hundred and did it this year for the first time. But you look for her Throat her to play the crazy thing is you know you look in her young career. She's already played including qualifying sixty two. Wj tour level match. She's thirty seven twenty five in those matches considering she doesn't turn twenty one until the end of the season I think we should expect the number ninety one player in the world. Two and number ninety s. I mentioned in the live rankings to Make an even bigger. Jump this your new look in her last fifty two. She seventeen and eleven ended up beating. Joe konta who unfortunately had to retire in the australian open but then meyers sharieff before losing to jen brady in the australian open the fact that she came through qualities to get into that australian open allowed her the chance to play some of the wj level events in australia. She beats ya-fong before losing a really fun three-set match to xiang tech. And then you know in adelaide. She beats cabrera before losing a really fun. Three match to cocoa gov in qualifying. She is a little bit different than some of these youngsters. Who are very much predicated on power. She's more in the golf motto where her movement is the thing that makes her stand out in her creativity. She's not afraid to throw in a drop shot lob combo or hit the dropshots sneak in behind it and you know she'll go early down the line. I actually had the chance to talk to her today. Following her victory in straight-sets over both sova seven five seven six. And you know. I wanted to ask her a little bit about her. Serve because if you look at her numbers on tennis. Abstract past few seasons first. Serve percentage has declined You know compared to the past couple of seasons this year. She was in the sixty percents before now. She's at fifty three percent on her first. Serve this year. But her first-serve win percentage has gone from about sixty percent to seventy two percent on the season. So i wanted to ask her. Has she gotten more aggressive with the service. That's something she's noticed and again what that australia game showed her about herself. And a half to say for someone only twenty years old. She is quite articulate so she gave me some very long and kind answers. I appreciate that if that again. Some one could argue that a mansard. This long could be its own podcast. But still we wanted to throw that into today's mini break so without further ado matere little bit from cairo. Von congratulations kaya on the victory today. just a couple of questions on the match and where you're at a something i've noticed for you particularly this year compared to the past your first serve percentage may be down. But you're having more success on your first serve points. I'm curious is that something that you are going for as well. Perhaps a little bit extra on that. I serve and is that something. You're trying to do now in your matches. So actually the funny thing is that most of the dynamite percentage was high at a serving a lot of second search for cursor so it was like the safer option but also also the adjustments on the server The last last month's are adenoid which negative. But i i think my serve is much faster than it used to be. I have beat every so right now in australia. Percentage got a little bit higher gradually now to be honest. So i'm just coming back and also hear the arts serve it goes out the More than normally would also another shots. You're a lot so it's probably just a matter of time when i get the Serving in but other than that. I'm leaving the game now. Obviously it's working for you given the success you've had and on that note for you entered the top one hundred for the first time this year. Congratulations obviously on that end. You know with that you now have the opportunity to be seated here this week and maybe changed your schedule a little bit and i'm serious a given that you had some time off between australian. This have you reflected on the fact that you are now in the top. One hundred and then You know be What did qualifying for australia that month. They're do for you from an experienced standpoint. So actually australia wants a nerve wracking for everyone especially the second round. I feel like the girls were playing just so tight in my case i was first Which was there because four days. Before that i waiting because the main drops really beaten up and then i came into by said well yes come on and then they did and i remember the speed so strength of three days i was like okay i know win it and then i just gonna win especially like do they. Polly's five girls game. So i remember thinking. Oh my gosh was terrible. But i think it was also good test because you know you have to learn how to play with players that are like seeing liberal higher. End the snow how the been lower but still like From the nautica. Just a few good mentors. I feel like i started being better. Even though very tired i felt like i was there for is also very close. I played with and i was leading some tough losses but it's also experienced so after that i thought to myself You're playing well close to these players. Got some good wins. And i came home for three days. He did what have home. Like saquon data million girl. You're and accused so it's been a lot especially sniping neighbor being away from home for two months and i'm just starting to travel a lot because last year was no well now. It's been working. It's been working so well. And if i may ask my last question i promise because i anticipate i'm going to have the chance to do this again this week. four you hear your the number eight seed and you know you are someone who if you don't mind me saying i think something that's a central feature of your game is your movement and i'm curious for you given you talk about it two months away from home and you know all the quarantine stuff all the different procedures. How have you been able to find your rhythm here this weekend. Physically how are you feeling coming into guadalajara. laura So i changed my coach before they exit the last year pitches limits because together for twelve years and then i just started working on the law physically mentally yom. We were like step by steady getting to know each other the process. It was difficult for the new coaching australia. So that was also something you got better. We got this function. I had like everything. I need needed an extra. The usually you travel from turn on tournament. Then you have to bottom adjustments but in a very. We're there and he had like everything you needed to us. I was able pleased to team. I was able to adopt everyone home much ceremony girls which also not so often at the end this felt like you know i need mentors i knew i want to play as much as i can in be spirit and then we'll see how it goes this year because he knew well. Congratulations again and good luck. This week we want the best of both worlds. We want a hybrid a smarter hybrid cloud approach with. Ibm helps retailers. Manage supply chains with watson. Ai while predicting demands with ease the world is going hybrid with ibm visit ibkr dot com slash cloud so again kaya yvonne. Seven five seven six victory over bowl soave. I mentioned that. I serve trend shoes at fifty two point one percent on her first. Serve today one. Seventy three percent of those points seventy point six percent of her second serve points. I love her movement. I love her creativity very tommy polish. I suppose would be an interesting company kind of like hurricane. Little more solid than tommy paul. A little bit more disciplined as well. But she's got that sort of creativity got that sort of athleticism. I think she's a fantastic contrast to the shmaya tech's osaka's benches of the world. And i think she's going to be in the mix with them as well. I don't know if she's going to be a top ten player. But i think she's going to be top fifty or four a very long time and again between her toss in these past few weeks we've seen so many of these youngsters goff Continued to have success and that speaks to how fun it is right now. A time to be a w tour fan Again just for you on on those numbers. Seventeen and eleven in her last fifty two She is a player on the rise and again a straight set win for her in her first match. She's the eighth seed here this week. Which is crazy you look at some of the other results we've seen thus far three set wins from astros sharma Peugeot rescue over vandeweghe an kovic over garage uva on in yesterday's action. You also had went from davis and caccia ratto look today and we still have some matches to go as of me recording. This but straight-set wins from schmidt schmidt ova azuma a koon and you von the ends. Dan's three-set wins from three best. Tormo and number two seed. Maria boost cova again. Leila fernandez right now up. Five four serving for the match in the third set against calendar so should be a fun week of action in guadalajara and we will continue to hopefully be able to speak with some of the winners will offer you those clips again on our cracked interviews from the press or segments. So if you're not go like rate subscribe review that podcast. And you know. I wouldn't ask if it didn't help us out. So do a solid. Please be sure to go. Check that out. You also like the content on there. I promise as well but again That's the action in guadalajara. Let's switch gears now talk about the atp events. There are three of them. So i'm probably not gonna be able to spend quite as much time and unfortunately i still haven't quite cracked the code of how to get into those. Atp kept press conferences. Believe me as soon as i do you all will be the first to hear from these players. And if you're out there listening to this and you have a way to Perhaps facilitate that sort of access at great pod. Deums are opened my friends anyways. Very fun for sixteen matches of are maybe sense sixteen. Maybe it's like thirteen or top. Four seeds so sixteen but four matches aren't playing So i suppose twelve matches. That's quick math for you folks in the round of thirty two in doha. The to fifty of vent we had our number seven seed. Knocked out in stan wawrinka. That's where i wanna start today's discussion. It was a seven six six seven seven five victory for a young south african. Lloyd look in this match. There were three total breaks of serve. They traded breaks. I believe in that second set and then harris giving the breaking needed in the third set you look for him in this match made sixty nine percent of his first serves and were sixty eight of eighty four on those first-serve points eighty-one percent. And you know if there's one thing lloyd harris does as an elite level it's his serve and his first serve and you look for him. He has over his last fifty two weeks. Nineteen and eleven. He's made sixty six point. Five sixty seven percent of his first serves he's one seventy five percent of those first-serve points now. That's not quite the elite of the elite. But it's right in the neighborhood. It's the surrounding neighborhood. I suppose and so You know he's got an over. Eighty percent hold percentages at eight hundred. Nine point six. And he's able to do the thing you need to do against san wa franko which is hit the big serve and play plus one tennis. Be in control of the point from the start. Because if you give stan wawrinka clean looks at the ball. He is going to put the ball away cleanly and you know for loyd harris as well as he serves he's a little bit still I suppose leaves the ball a little bit short on those returns and for stan wawrinka when he was able to play plus one tennis sixty one seventy on his first serve points. Twenty forty on second serve points. He fought off three of the five break points. He faced again. It was one break of serve differentiating these two players. I just think this speaks to lloyd. Harissa surf he has the modern. Atp six foot six can move well for his side fluid around the court little bit creative but you know in terms of hill move foreplay the drop shot and Show some hands. Not quite sasha book. That's as sasha boublil point. Eight is how i would describe lloyd harris but sasha bouba point. Eight is a player. Who's going to be. I think in the top one hundred four a lot of his career and again you look in those last fifty two weeks. He's seventeen and levin he Was able to come through. Qualifying make the quarterfinals in cologne Before losing to us vir of in three sets in antwerp. He made the quarter-finals as well coming through qualifying before losing to unbear- now start of this season for him. He lost to jersey mov before beating popper in torpor guard in the australian. Open a straight set loss to mackey. Mcdonald's straight-set loss to adrian andrea the talented young I believe bulgarian. In singapore and then wins this week over laco and wokv rinca and so i believe maybe one more in qualifying now. He's got future vich next which will certainly be a tough match for him but that serves good enough he is good enough at following it up with a plus one shot being in control of the point playing aggressive going big on his returns to try and create some break point chances and thanked rate in terms of his return. Numbers you look at them as well over these last fifty two weeks. His break percentages twenty point eight percent which is not very good to say the least. That's bottom i mean. He's not a top fifty player. I think that would be like forty. Sixth on the in the top fifty of the rankings. That's is ner Sort of territory but his serve is almost that good as well and so i do think there is more upside. I think lloyd harris has the fundamentals of a solid players. Just again kind of figuring out his game plan becoming a little bit more disciplined but very good win for him over. What brinquin to anyone for inca alarmists there. You look for seventeen and eight in his last fifty two weeks now that does include a couple of runs but you know the the round of thirty two loss to hugo gaston at it at the french wasn't pretty. You know his loss to fujitsu seven. Six in the fifth sad looks a lot better. With retrospect at the australian open the lost to charlotte de where he withdrew at the murray river open. Whatever in the warm up. He's lost his last three matches to food. Chevik hatchet nov and lloyd harris. Which isn't what would have happened to prime stan wawrinka but considering sandwich rinca is what thirty five years old at the end of Thirty six years old at the end of march. He's fine he's just fine. He's still got his legs under him. He can still play some very fantastic tennis but again that was the one seed who's been knocked. How you talk about my favorite match of the event. Thus far roberto bautisa goud four six six three six four riley appel just quickly for the opec alarmist. He's seven and nine over his last fifty two. But here the losses seat see poss- go fan in four sets jack sock in straits at the french chore. 'age fritz van sensu seven six seven six fritz and five sacks Satay showed fuji vich seven. Six six seven seven six in bautisita goot in three said. He's playing at a really high level. If you go watch the match actually verse. Plays verse battista goud. He does a lot of things. Well now he didn't make a high percentage of his first serves only at fifty five percent but he won seventy nine percent of those first-serve points twenty two aces against two double-faults the nineteen nine forty three on the second of points. That's again another low hanging fruit for him. That i think he will continue to get better at but he did save nine eleven break point chances in their only three breaks of serve in this match one percent. I just when you watch polka. Play again fundamentally he sound and he moves better on court than any seven. Footer has any right to do. This was a really high level tennis so good of course coming off of the final that he played in was marseille two weeks ago and we got knocked off first round last week against davidovich akina but the week before he lost in the final to go fan. He's played really well of late. I riley played really well in this match. I'm not concerned at all. He's played some good tennis here to start the season. The results just not going quite his way yet. I think they will at some point this year. So keep your eye out on him in terms of the other results go. Fan your Your other seed who has played an advanced in straight sets your other winners boob lick. Fritz dan evans future vich all advancing over their opponents. Gauge is eerie basile winners in straight-sets as well known as carts have a wildcard into this event gets a first round win now it was over a fellow wildcard but again when considering we're all wondering how real was that australian open at least now we're going to get a really fun chance to get a look at him as he takes on number one seed dominic thiem tomorrow in the round of sixteen now. I believe we have all eight round of sixteen matches on hand. It's going to be team verse carrots. Ev number two seed roger. federer back in action. He's gonna play dan evan. So little spiderman me mich- Match going on there. That'll be fun to see how federal looks. You've also got harris. Fujita vich rube love. I guess gay boo blick teesta. Goot hello that matches up my alley. Go fan verse. Fritz posse overshadow of all of canada on candid. A crime jeziri first basle feely should be funding again. If you're an early riser you are going to have some dividends paid. Tomorrow's you've got the early morning action in both doha and dubai for the women but again. That's what's going on at that event. Let's talk now quickly about the action in marseilles. I actually will go quickly. I suppose this time. Because i don't want this to be too long. If it's an hour of just me it's a lot about skin. And i want to impose it on anyone not directly related to me or i suppose living within my household but not my household sold anyways You look at the action we've seen thus far number six and eight seats eliminating us air bear kinda hits nishikori off the court and she was never never able to find his rhythm one in four victory for air bear. It was also six two four to retirement victory for nishioka now. Nishioka got frustrated at something that happened in the first set against roussev never really recovered from there but reuss looked good and we did a nexgen. Atp two point oh podcast specifically on a meal reuss volume. When i say we. I mean david gertler and i four The next it was either a mini break or a great shot. Podcast you can find the link directly on our crack racquets website if you want to hear more about him but he looked like. I expected him to look this season. That was a fun result for him. Your other winners look we. It's a much needed. Victory over. Qualifier alex mechanic center survives in three sets seven. Six six seven. Five over gregoire beret. Abdin guests stone rendering songa. And then my god back. Mcdonald's continuing his success here early in the season. Seven six seven six victory for him over traffic. He's now twenty two in twelve in his last fifty two. We talked on various podcasts. About his nursultan challenger title couple of weeks ago the round of sixteen at the australian open nursultan atp to fifty quarterfinal. He made a at the end of last season. He's healthy and he's playing his best ball. So's arthur neck by the way who had a ton of challenger success to start last season. He's twenty three and sixteen in his last fifty two. I believe this is his first. Atp level round of sixteen. You know he made it a challenger semi-final at the beginning of february made a final in the middle of january that he won. I should say the title in istanbul. Got winds there over nakashima and banzi swaran ramana thon so indoor hardcourts always going to the former texas ainum all americans. Best surface certainly. That's where they're at in marseilles and i'm excited. He can beat davidovich fokina if davidovich fokina plays around too much in the round of sixteen but that should be a really fun match. You look at our matchups tomorrow. We've got a little bit of round of thirty two action mitch mixed in with some round of sixteen now. It's going to be noreen. I less and honnef men for ever jersey mouth so to former college all americans the former. Tcu horn frogs. In noory former usc trojan in hannifin both by the way have been interviewed here on art crack racquets platforms. You've also They're taking on less. Cnn jersey mov by the way respectively voss got former nca singles champion macchi mc taking on karen hatching off sinner verse a gas stone a bear versus songa and abdin. Verse russa avoriaz. That's your action in marseilles in terms of our final event in santiago. Another south american eighty klay to fifty are. It's it should be another fun one to you. Always like the south american clay swing. Because you never know exactly what's going to happen. Now we've only had one seed knocked off so far it was number six seed salvatori caruso and the fact that he lost to roberto carter bays bena six four seven six kobe. Spain best on the dirt. He's a top one hundred guy You know that's a that pick a match and so i don't think that is a shocking result but had a very fun last night between frances tiafoe and nicholas jerry tiafoe seven six six seven seven six all of the tiebreakers going nine seven and subsequently including the drama that scoreline should expect now. There were only two breaks of serve in this match. There was a lot of plus one tennis. I think the longest rally was probably nine shots. But this is the sort of when she offer wasn't getting back in twenty eighteen twenty nineteen in. He dropped some bombs. You could hear over the mike After he won the match but while deserved victory for him and nicholas jerry. Whatever you want to say anyone who gets caught doping you're done with that's your prerogative. I prefer to give people second chances. I just don't have the time or the i suppose care. Take that frustrated over something like that. nevertheless Jerry continues to get closer to the player. He was before he was suspended. Your other winners. Federico korea federico del bonus Your seven eight respectively both three-set winners overshot lucas year. And how many moonavar Then you had a win from bagnis. In three over checcinato daniel galon in three over out. Meyer and to be low in three over kovalevsky. Also headwinds from martin sosa pablo votary s and then hogan rooney. The number one junior in the world gets his first. atp level winds six. three six two over sebastian baz. no betas won a challenger. I believe in february where he knocked off. Francisco surin dolo. Who was a finalist last week at the atp to fifty level in buenos aires. But look as didn't have his best stuff today the ball was kinda floating on the slow clay courts in rooney was able to just play attacking tencent for the world. Junior number-one hoeger rene. I don't know about the seventeen year old danish player. He in his last fifty two weeks. Forty and twelve in eighty p matches now a lot of them have come at the it level and he's made six finals since september At the it level. Four on clay to on hardcourts. He's three and three in the finals. All of them coming on clay but doesn't have the game of the traditional Clay korea the backs runs are little big. But they're not huge. I don't think they'd be compromised by a quicker cord and he moves well but that movement going to translate he. You know going to take the ball. I think he takes the ball early. He wants to move forward. I think that's going to work on a hardcourt. I do think again. The forehands a little big but his ability to absorb and pass on the backhand side is a pretty good. he's not an excellent mover but he's salad You know when he gets stretch sometimes he turns to slice a little bit too soon. But that's also a product of him being stretched for probably the first time in his career and just getting used the physicality of the atp level. I think that's something that will obviously come with time. Considering he's seventeen years old but the ball explodes off of his strings and not. It's not quite the faa ru honestly even sorrento forehand level. But it's pretty good. It's very good. It's noticeable pop and considering he's seventeen years old that it's noticeable. Pop is noticeable for all of us tennis fans. And you know he's now he's tune in his career at the challenger level so he's still got a lot to prove but he's only seventeen years old and this sort of success at the i. T. f. level to go into the atp to fifty beat a guy like betas That's a really good win. For the young rooney who with the result you look in the live rankings and he was a qualifier here this week up to number three thirty six which is a new career high and you look for the players under eighteen years old currently in the atp rankings hoeger rooney going to be the second highest ranked player behind only similar in age carlos alvarez who we've talked so much on this podcast about who's at number one thirty one for now but for hoeger ruination alcatraz the only under eighteen year olds inside the top four hundred. You've also got shintaro much. Zucchini luca nardi and martin damm hovering in the top nine hundred but again big gap between a top nine hundred ranking and a top four hundred ranking hoeger renee scott that now to be honest with his play of late he deserves it. So fantastic level from him to knock off basil. It wasn't even fantastic but it was good. It was very good and for seventeen year old. That is a fantastic performance. Now you look at tomorrow's matches should be a fun day in santiago. We've got Pedro sosa taking on number. Four seed laszlo. jer. Frances tiafoe taken on for pseudo bagnis thou bonus taking on andrea martin hoeger rooney back in action against ben wa. Pair should be a fun. Four singles matches in santiago now Just literally going to breeze through these. Atp challengers in saint petersburg. We had two notable results romance affiliate the number one seed loses first round for the second straight week although it was commuted bacich six four seven six but tough loss for the top seed tough loss for number three seed chatham elko bod. It was a three-set loss to jack. Sock and i did a patriot match of the day which you can listen to if you subscribe to our patriot a channel which we sincerely appreciate anyone who does Socked good echo looked good but sock looked good and that's the big takeaway now civilian echo and number eight seed cabbage. Who was knocked off by chile belic. The seeds knocked off. Otherwise popcorn. Copa malacca zouk and eubanks all advancing. You also headwinds from Kovic ortega olmedo chernoff of to vet teen a youssef and la hecker. The talented young check So it should be fun day of action in saint petersburg. Tomorrow you look at the matches jacovic for eubanks. Yevloyev of pop go. Copa verse veteran and mollica. Verse lacombe masks. That has david gertler written all over it. You've also got zizou berg's by the way taking on page a. Kristen so should be a fun day in saint petersburg in biella. You've had three of your top. Four seeds knocked out andrea. Arnold bald the lunardi of the talented young italian who i just mentioned and the renzo justino knocking out. James duckworth yuki sa- gita and yasutaka itchy yama respectively. Now you also number eight. Eighteen martin. Clemson knocked off. But you got wins from graduates. You got winds from rodionov-yeltsin had another talented t check yoenis for your check a getting a win over comcast brody hossa. Hales's coal are limousine and brayden. Schnur your other winners. You look for the match on hand tomorrow. it's going to be a wu verse. Marchenko to kofsky sepe goes to alise backing reverse haas. You've also got santillan. Verse who slur colder verse. Rodion off and then young luke nardi tough test for him against veteran liam broady. That will be a fun one but that is your action. That is your spread for this week's atp nwa professional tour action really as lineup. Lynam up what was the joker in the dark knight. Rackham up record up record up whatever that line was. That's what the tour is doing right now. I know we're still within a pandemic and of course we're hoping all of these players following and you know being able to stay within the safety and health regulations and protocols but It seems to be working in. That is a blessing for all of us. 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35: Sergio Perez: There are no coincidences in F1. Theres a reason why Im always there when theres an opportunity to take

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35: Sergio Perez: There are no coincidences in F1. Theres a reason why Im always there when theres an opportunity to take

"Hi, ham, Checo Perez, and you are listening to beyond the grid. Hi, guys, Tom Clarkson here welcoming you to another edition of beyond the grid presented by Bose quiet comfort thirty five to wireless headphones. Now after the delights of the legendary Murray will last week, we're going contemporary for this episode because my guest is the most successful Mexican driver in the history of Formula one he has eight podium finishes to his name. And after the ways driven in the early races of twenty nineteen. Did you see his electric start in China? Then more shorter follow. I'm talking, of course, about Sergio Perez Chaco is he's better known has made many sacrifices to get to this point in his career flying on his own to Germany aged just fifteen to start a single seater career then persuading teams to give him a drive when he had no money and then being courted by Scuderia Ferrari. And now baffling with the big boys in Formula one his tail of emotional extremes. There have been tremendous highs as well as freakish lows, and he's still just twenty. Thousand nine years old. We sat down in the racing point hospitality area at last weekend's Chinese grand to talk it all through he was very candid. I hope you enjoy our conversation. Checkout. Welcome to be on the great great to have you on the show, and it's an honor to be speaking to the Mexican with the most podiums in Formula one history. Thanks. Happy. Happy to spend a good hour with you. Now, I feel there's a lot to get through. And I want to ask you first of all why Formula one because prior to your arrival. It had been a long time since there'd been a Mexican in f one so festival. Why F one not something like IndyCar, which was a more tried and tested route. Yes. Because I remember watching Formula one. At the time with with that, you know on Formula one was just too big and impossible for Mexican to be here. You know, and I was very good in gutting indicates like the common thing for for the Mexican reiver's. We have like five at the time five IndyCar driver. So so same IndyCar is quite reachable is not easy to get through. But I want to go Formula one. But I always knew that it's like the impossible dream, you know, because. With didn't have any money. We didn't have any shore. So was like the hell other fog we're gonna get into Formula one. It looks nice on TV. You know, watching the race from in Mexico. The the race in Japan the race in China would never though we were going to shave that. So what Formula one was like an exotic dream for you. And that is what made you so determined to get there. Yes, you're right. I was so so difficult and such unique place. I never grow up seeing. No one driver on the grid. You know, I always thought that this is for Japan drivers for all the other drivers not Mexican. And I guess you never got to the Mexican groom pretty because you want born in born in one thousand nine hundred and I think the last one that time around was Ninety-two. Yeah. Did you did you go h two? Unless my that took me which over them they surprised, but now I don't have any pictures of of me being in the Mexican. So what was the first f one race that you actually attended? Personally, it was in two thousand two there was competent card competition from montage that the winner was going to get two tickets for the Indianapolis race and I won the race. So I got to dig its and my that. So I was going to take him. And I took my brother with me. And so we went my brother and me to to see the Indianapolis race. And that was my my first ever race in watching Formula one as a guest of Juan Pablo Montoya. Yes, I actually went today to to see the car to see a bit of the technology. We went I mean, we were we were on the grandstand. But they took us me. And my brother to the paddock. For like, I don't know ten fifteen minutes and was amazing. What's amazing experience? You met one Pablo. Yeah. I met I met him. How'd you find him? Can you? What are your memories? Over was. I think he explained the will. I just met him briefly. And that was a very special moment for me because I was my first ever ever rates that I went to. I'm just trying to think so what you was in two thousand three he could still win the world championship. Was it two thousand and three. He could still win the chip. Right. We are too close to it. Yeah. Yeah. Super-quick? Did he give you an advice? Did he say at the age of fifteen you must go and live in Germany on your own not to be honest. He was quite chill-out. And here's explain briefly the wheel and how to Tucson meetings. So it was quite briefly. But I knew. About Asia was like thirteen or it was just my time before my time. I started in skip barber. So I knew that if I wanted to do something I had to go to Europe at a very young age. And that's when when I decided to I was terminated to go since a very young age. But now they the difficult bit came which was to find the money to skip Arbor in two thousand and four because that is still a very American approach. Yes. Going racy, isn't it? So prior to the story, you've just told me I was going to say to you. All right. So you wanted to do IndyCar. That's why you went to skip barber Oviously the dream as you've already said was Formula one. So basically going back to it in cutting while I was in cutting. I have a special permit special license because I was twelve eleven years old, and I was racing Shifter one twenty five's so Bischel license to raise those cars. So it was like twelve and racing guys of twenty twenty five years old, I'm beating them, but before they IndyCar came to Mexico where we're going to be the pre race in cutting. So it was quite a big thing for me. And I got my license taken away from me because I had crashed with a with another another driver, and he was heavy political and sewn. So I got my license. They can wait from me. So they didn't let me raise that that. And was such a hard thing for me that told me that I don't want to race. Just please sell everything sell the go and stop spending the money. And I just want to go to my school and be a normal kid. I don't want this anymore. You know, it was such a big thing for me. And mine was such a big thing that he went on the news and so on and I remember coming back from school. My that told me, you know, Carlos slim called me, and he wants to know what what happened, and he wants to give you the paternity because I was so pissed off because I was going to lose the championship. And the winning of the championship was going to get the quit yet makes. Membership. You know, so you were going to become a member of good at then makes she's funded by color switches funded by Carlos slim, so missing that race meant that. I was going I was leading the championship working so hard, and then all of a sudden, they took my license away. And I wasn't going to win the championship. So if it's great it and took me there was no chance, I was going to leave Mexico. You know? So I say, you know, that I have enough. Let's let's yoursel everything and Carlos found out. So I remember on Monday after the race coming coming back from school. And and my that taught me Carlos slim called me, and he wants to give you the right nicer. Yeah. I believe that I say we just tell him things. So without that phone call from Carlos slim gieco Peres wasn't going racing anymore. Can we say Carlos slim saved Yukari? Yeah. Definitely. But not just him because I'm on the I told my that just tells to Carlos things because I thought it was the whole story again about just trying to get back check on Trump to you. But how exciting is it? When one of the richest men in the rings, you up and says, actually, I really want to sponsor yo me moment on it wasn't, you know, because I know Carlin scenes six years old, you know, my that was close to him, and it does not have business dealings. Because of my my bro-. My father always worked in in motorsports on Carlos has been always involves. So for one reason or another, I always knew Karloff. So Carlo for me was like Norma guy, you know. And and still right now, you know, it's, but obviously he's he's not from Guadalajara, nor his from Mexico, and someone told me that, you know, just say thanks to him and on Tuesday. Jimmy, Morales director office coda TELMEX gold. My dad and say we want chuckle doesn't matter. If he doesn't win the championship. He's going to get the the test in skip barber, and I got the test. I was quicker than the champion. And and then everything is started back, then I was fourteen years. And I remember when everything is thought that I was calling Carlos all the time. Through messenger. You know? I was going into messenger and saying to Carlos we have to go to Europe we have to go to Europe. And Carlos was telling me, we don't have any money. You're not to to go to Europe. So we have to I start in the US get some experience there. And then and then see obviously, he wanted to see if I was good enough before he has spent any any more money, you know, so and he's so saw enough skip barber. So that explains he him and and Jimmy always had a a lot of trust on on me. A lot of commitment. They guide me through everything more than than there were more like my father. You know, the the the guide me on the personal side. And on the on the driving side a lot. So aged fifteen. Yes, you make the move saw fourteen years old either whiskey, Barbara they didn't have such a good year. But I have good graces, and they they talk a lot about me that time. So Carlos wanted me to stay in in the US, but I have to go to your by was so convinced that I had to I was obsessed by going to Europe, you know, I never had the opportunity to race in Europe, not even in cuttings. So I was obsessed with leaving Mexico to go to Europe, you know, and I remember before going to school because of the time difference I had to walk up like at two o'clock in the morning three o'clock in the morning because I have a schedule the phone calls with a European teams. You're not. Cider member calling them at two three in the morning from my home is saying to to give me cheap deals chip deals. My English was good back then while still good. But I this that back then I had like I use need cheap deals. I was telling you on the this is expensive. Give me chip deals. Chip deal. So in the end, I end up finding the chip deal dealing the in the in the whole BMW. And that is why he went to Germany as opposed to the UK. That's why I went to Germany. To I two starting in in that team. I remember. So basically, we just had the body. It was like like one hundred fifty thousand years to do that year. And that's it. That's the only thing we have. But now was the difficult bit came when I had to find the ticket flight the how to live in Europe. And so that was very interesting because I went my dad had a had a ticket that I had to fly from DeLuca, I leaving Lahara where is to look to Luca is next to Mexico City. So it's a six hour drive. So we drove to to Luca, and they they dropped me into Luca to go into Europe with just a single single way you own my own fourteen year old totally on my own. And and that's it just a one-way ticket. I never knew when I was going to go back. I only had one way to get to Europe. Sammy help chief find things like accommodation and look after yourself so basically fourteen just I use when there. Spoke zero German. I remember going to on terrain matter a great friend of me beat me up in in in the airport. And it was like are you on your own? I say, yes, it's only me. Let's go. So he took me to to today. Little hotel in the middle of nowhere. Trump me their day the teams base. No, no, no. This this team that I'm talking about didn't have even a Garrett. Sharon anything. Our garage was in the at his house, you know in the. On the ground floor Elliott garish and that was our our team team factory. So we had nothing I was living in and then he had a restaurant. She was building a restaurant. So I say, well, I can live there. So he put me to live in the restaurant, which was a great thing. Because at least I could interact with people. Because they actually because when he'd Rome in the hotel it was not even a hotel motel. You know, where where all the buzz reiver's, stay in the middle of the motorway. And so I said, yeah, I better go to the restaurant, and I was living in a restaurant at the age of fifteen. So yeah, now how tough was that? Was there ever? I mean, did you get homesick? And was there ever a moment ways? Oh, what my my friends in Guadalajara doing what it was like. A straightaway. When I when I went to Europe. Well, this is what I thought it was going to be, you know, this is not as nice because I thought I was going to be racing with Formula one spray stellar, but and so on it's what this is not as nice as I thought it was going to be is really hard spending my whole day on my own not seeing anyone my friends whole having normal life because I went from having a normal life going to school with friends going having a a normal fourteen fifteen general life to. Taught totally loan guy. You know, a lonely guy in the middle of nowhere in the world with no internet. No, no phones, check on. How would you describe yourself? Are you a bit of a loner quite light your own company, or you actually, very gregarious and social and have lots of friends I spend so much dime on my own. In my early early years. I I love to be on my own. My lonely time is appreciated a lot. I have very few friends not many many good friends, but I like to be surrounded by my family. Good friends. Mike wife now, my key. So yeah, I I like to spend a lot of time with them. I think I being so used to to be on my own that time that I'm on my own. I really enjoyed. So it was tough. But you never thought of Jackie in say there was time like in the middle of that year. I had no internet. You know, it was not like these days where things were also before the internet. Have any communication? I mean, I spoke with my family every two days or something like that. You know? So there was a time where I remember your Smith thinking, what are the I'm going to know what what's going on with my life. What do I want? It was like all the adrenaline gone. Now is the time to reflect what what do I want to achieve where where I'm going? And I I remember telling myself, well, you can take a ticket back, and and go home, but you might regret it for the rest of your life because really didn't fight for your dream. And I say, you know, fuck this. I'm going to give it all to and I'm gonna going back to Mexico until I'm world champion. So since I went straight into into it. And just worked my way through. Nobody has given me anything, but I'm not running around telling my sad story to everyone to to be the victim here because everyone has fought so hard to be here. I'm one of those guys. So when did you first come into contact with Formula one teams was it when you racing in the UK? No, actually when I was in formula three I was going to get a pass with with Honda with. Yeah. With honda. I went to MIT rose Brown. I was leaving the from the British f three championship. And I went to me rose Brown to his office. And I was going to get a past with Horner that was a dream Fernandez put me in contact with with them. And I I went to do my seat everything and the test was in December. I think in Harris December fifteen and December ten I mean in Dubai racing in GP do and then going back to to do the test in Europe. And then I'm watching the news a nice see that the Honda team has shut down. And that was my first contact with the phone one team. So that was two thousand and eight. So there was no no test that does Wisconsin. And it was very very sad moment, you know, because I've worked so many years for it, and then it closes. But I say, you know, it's okay, I'm I'm closer than I was gobble of years ago. So I was leading GP too. So how did the opportunity with Salva come about in twenty eleven? I was the was winning or leaving the championship in the end. I finished second in GP. Do they won a lot of races? And we were trying to find the right in Formula one. Carlos worked really hard to get a good seat with sour Salva the only team on your radar at that time. Yeah. That time was the only one because their connection with Ferrari, I was a member of the heraldic Ademi. And so we we went to Ferrari gave the engine to to salver, and it's how we we. When we go through one. And was there a shootout between you and another driver. Forgive me, a call. Remember, who is no no, it was straight thing. Yeah. It was Kobe coalition was my in. Then of course, he was now you had a big crush that year, Monaco. How did an of course, he missed the next race in Canada as well. How did that crash changed your attitude towards danger? The danger in our school. Ciro because. When you're driving your enough thinking, or do you do you never think that do? I mean you've seen I've seen with us. For example, was a very sad moment. But you always think that those things will not happen to you. And and he's how is silting now. But I have a lot of respect for what I do. It takes a lot. You not to to wake up every morning and know that you're jumping in that car. But you might not go go back home, you know, because you are risking everything every single up. You know, we do such speeds. Although they safety gusts has come along way anything happen. What is Corolla think about your wife? Think of it will. I think she she thinks the same. You're not that things will happen to me. But obviously she's also aware of the danger that we go through every every weekend. Luckily, she the ten that I've been with her. She hasn't seen a a hitch accident. So yeah, she knows that. Her husband has a dangerous job. Now, you'd fought so hard to get to Formula one the first time, you drove that Salva. Can you even now all these years on remember, the emotions and was it very vivid for you? How worth it the fight had been? Yeah. I mean, the the first time I drove it wasn't number w after my GP do season concluded I was shocked to know thrive in the Formula one car. How quickey was remember? My neck was soaring lot. Actually, I'm talking emotionally though in terms of a hat. All those nights alone in that restaurant, everything everything was worth it. But I knew that. Rich and Formula one was one thing. But having a long success Korean from the one it's another thing, you know. And I knew that he was Joseph for step because there are so many drivers that they've spend one or two years in full. No one. We will never see them. Again, you know. And I knew that I've come a long way. But now is the time to to go and kick some as you know, because they had to to get my place in Formula one everyone said that I was a pay driver whatsoever. But through these at well check, a youth then the right at McLaren in two thousand thirteen and I think you'll self and a lotta people. So right. They sees the big opportunity for for you. Why do you think it didn't work out? Yeah. I think it it didn't work out. Because basically if McLaren was. It was on bad shape. I was par. Knitting Jensen world champion, very stylish guy in his team. So I was coming to his team, and it didn't work out basically because within had any performance in the car. We were I think the six fastest team that year so within even make it into the podium. It was a very difficult ending consistent gas with the level of experience that I have was very difficult to get the most out of that car, but still qualified Jens on my first year, and I came close to him in in terms of points. But it wasn't enough. You know, because there were there were a lot of difficulties there. Politically, I think there were too many issues withdrawn Marteen. It was just very tough time. I think probably given how mcclennan was at that time. The that right. Came just at the wrong moment for me because. In. If you go back to two thousand twelve I was forever. Remember, I was going to get a contract for twenty fourteen. I had to stay one more year with with Tarver, then get the right with Ferrari. But. But had had you actually signed a contract that said you were going to be a Ferrari driver in forty. No, no, no. I was I went to Manilow on discuss that with with many. Golly, he told me let Zula pre contract for two thousand fourteen. And I was obviously back then quite Jong hungry in on desperate to get my my right eye say went together for Tony thirteen. And when I was hopelessly at that time. Mercedes was interested. The Ferrari was and my McLennan. So I I was in a really strong position back then. And I thought to myself, you know, I need to get into a competitive guard because I can win the title. So the opportunity with McLaren came and McLaren was was winning races was fighting for titles for the last five years. So how can you say, no, you know, it was quite thing. And I had to say basically goodbye to Ferrari academy, and I went to McLaren. I think mistake there was to sign a one year deal. I think. My management at the time. They didn't do didn't do a solid job with the with the contract. And that was a sad thing that I think that that has damaged my reputation in Formula one. But then I I came to a fantastic team. And I have a good success with with the team. Apart from the length of the contracts with McLaren if you had that opportunity now, what would you do differently? Just in this day today. How you went about with my yet? Or maybe not. I think obviously right now, I have a lot more experience, you know, on the issues that happened that year. I mean, I looked back at them. And I was of them so badly in terms of dealing with the concept of dealing with the races with whatsoever. You know? But obviously, this is not the time. I was back then so everything happens for a reason that year at McLaren leading happened. I wouldn't be the person. I am now. So I wouldn't change anything, you know, because there's pointless to think that you can change the past. And I hardly believe that everything happens for a recent. Given that you outqualify Jensen more often than not, and and of course, Jensen stacked up so well against Louis Hamilton, do you think people should reassess your year mccaren g field, you give an a a bad hand by the media in the way, you were treated that year? I think so. Yeah, I think so. Obviously, I was replacing Hamilton McLennan. So. Everyone was expecting me to go on win the title. But I didn't have the God. I didn't have the tools for me to adapt to the car was really hard. You know, we had such an inconsistent car. An always changing rates to raise we were being part severe rates weekend. So we were doing so much hair work on the Friday. So never had the chance to adapt myself to to occur, you know in. I mean, you see these as drivers changing teams is hardly nostrils. So you need time to what up yourself, and they didn't have that. With McLennan was a lot of pressure a lot of bad atmosphere. And I think also what what I like back then it was just more support from the team on. I think my surrender was the the people are on me was wasn't the ideal environment for me to feel comfortable. As I am now to feel confident and unsown. But as I say if I didn't have the McLaren in year, maybe I wouldn't be who I am today. So how difficult was it to yourself up at the end of twenty thirteen 'cause mean? It been a badge year. Imagine. I mean, obviously the ride with force. India came around was there ever a moment. After twenty thirty eighth. I've had enough. Oh, we still the fight was still very Menana. And all I tho-. Obviously, I went from from being the next world champion to be to be the that next thrive at out of Formula one. And so I thought well. If this is what to happen. What can you do? Let's let's get on with it. When I go the phone call from Martin that he wasn't going to renew my contract rarely late in the year. I was like, oh, this is going to hurt. But five minutes later. I was okay with it. I thought well, this might be my less gracious. I am not going to go to anything just for the sake of staying in Formula one. I'm bahir. You know, I'm not the type of guy that likes to be in the picture. Hi, Al I'm on formula on rival. No, I want to win a name here for for a reason. So I said to myself, look, if this is to be the end, let's say that you know, I mean everything happens for a recent moon. They are a lot of other series or other things that you can do in life. So get on with it. And the ride with force India came, but it was difficult DeLeon because he had to be Carlos was involved with with my deal with VJ. So I say forcing day, it's fantastic team that I would like to go. But I remember the time ham was other option. I'm going I'm not because I needed motivation on although coming to force. India was a step back in the team very hungry for success in really growing. So I took that opportunity, but I was also very lucky to find even if McLaren didn't want to stay with you beyond twenty thirteen with the Everett doubt in Carlos his mind that he wanted to support another driver. Who was he always one hundred percent behind you? I think it was also a big kid for him. You know, what McLennan did on us because he was. About about. She's on a lot of support on a lot of pressure on my shoulders. She probably for the time that I've even evident behave well enough for the amount of of Russia had or whatsoever. It was a big shot you no because we went from being the next world champions to being the the next rival out of Formula one. So it's a big shout for me and for him. I think I think also him lost a lot of faith a lot of enthusiasm and momentum in my career. So was hard to digest. But before before we know we had to deal with with four senior. And he always supported me and under the with force. India basically came thanks to him. And so describe the job you've done for force. India you've been, you know, regularly on the podium when a guy like hulk humbug hasn't been on the podium. I mean, just described the job you think you've done for them. Basically remember the first day I ever went to to the. The to. They're forcing the factory. I was so depressed, I went from working so therefore technologist and this little thin. Pearly McLean is the best factor in in the world. And then I went to the force India with the contract sign, and I was like no way I'm coming here. You know, I was like, oh that's a one year. And then let's go back to Mexico and do something else. So I lost. All my all, my how you say, my passion, you know? I was really knocked down by by McLaren McLaren really the McLaren thing really knocked me down in in my career big thing. But then I remember that in the year with force India work and on my third rice, I'm on the podium. It was like, okay. This is what I want. This is what I have to work hard on since. Then it's been an incredible journey together that I do with with with the team was related motivated. But then twenty fifteen sixteen I think with great things, and we'll was there. You know? We are always a one. There is no coincidence in Formula one. This reason why we are always there. When when whenever there's an opportunity, we seem to be the one that exit for example, had remembering in, Monaco. My name came due to to me watching the TV screen. You'll have to remind that she basically it was raining, and I was five or six it was raining, and they call her hug was had me. So they call him to the box. And I was in the the next to come and in the going into the final coroner's mind. Jenner just told me do decide what do you want to do if you want because he was really late to have a conversation. And then I looked left to the screen and I see the Holcombe begun. Everyone was got stuck behind Philippi on on on the rain. So I say, I better stay out. And I took that decision due to me watching the TV. So I stayed out. I think to relapse, and then I overtook them and went to the bottom. So and also in back, for example, when we had the grain. That they and the Ray grinding which Maccari took him about twenty sixteen. My I bother you mean buckle. We had the grinding. I was like beef five or four but Lewis was coming. And I went through through the grain in face a Negus cleaning up. So I knew it was going to clean up. But those graining laps are like two two and a half seconds slower. So I had like three laps of those were the thing called me to box. But I said, no, it's going to clean up. So I better stay out. So I stayed out the day and things to that. We also got the point, you know, so, but it's like a six cents, isn't it? I mean, we I know my weaknesses. I know my strengths and the family my strength is on Sundays. I think reading the race knowing what's going on knowing when to push which driver to fight which when not to fight just looking at the bigger picture that has give me a big advantage. So many dorm of my teammates. And is that something you've always had or is it something that you've sort of developed during the eye all was lottery, I always had that even in counting and even in carting, I always had like the good read on on the resume. But with experience has come the the other side, you know, the coolness went to push when not to push, and that has helped Manji think that's why it was you getting the podiums and not someone like Nick combo who everyone agrees is a very quick racing driver. But it. This Tim so far. I think so you know, I think the has to do with with that. I mean. The points, and the the police come and Sunday, and you have to be perfect given the cars that have. I mean, I compare myself, for example, to which we had very similar car throughout our careers. So to be on the podium, just one time with our cars. You have to be perfect one thousand percent, you know, there is no room for a singer for single mistake. You have to go through everything perfectly and has to be really an amazing, and I had a fear that I have I've had a few of them. So I think with with looking back at my career with machinery have I think very very few drivers in the grid will have been able to put shift that amount of podiums with the with the cars that I've hold your head up high. I have to. Yes now. Sort of fast food to middle of last year and the administration. Of four Scindia who advised you to do that. So basically was was very difficult time. How long it been brewing? I mean, no it was probably since the beginning of the season, right? So basically. The time was speaking with. With Julian my manager. Oh, really Jacob ads incentives manageable. He has a long story Toyota actually is well jam until you on whether we go to going to what we had to do. So the whole process while wasn't in contact for the benefit of the team. We knew that the team had a a lot of creditors. So people that. Own money where on money and the winding up dishing coming through you know, from one of the creditors, which will have meant that the team will have to basically shut down. So with that the would not going anywhere. We're not going anywhere. We are risking more than four hundred jobs to basically complete the season. So with the site that it was the best thing to do for the benefit of the team. Were you the only person who could pull the trigger? Now there were other other creditors that could have done. But. Why you because there is not a lot of people that will want to have that repetition. You know or have that? I don't know that difficult difficult decision was very hard decision for me at the time. You know, because basically, I'm not an expert in in lows so going into into the ministration process was a big thing. And then I think together with mar on Monday the F untested job. On the Stevenson to to keep everyone together. There was so much uncertainty. I remember speaking with all the team members mechanics because it went onto the media's if I wanted to shutdown just wanted to get my money because team on me salary from the breeders year, and that had nothing to do with that all like, it was to save their jobs, and I'm very happy. And also, the the future is looking tremendously. Bright for them. It's a really good point. You might somehow you kept hold of all of the talent. And I'm not just talking about you talking about and agreed at all the brains producing the com- didn't leave throughout will uncertainty pretty much stayed didn't they they all stay. It's amazing. It's an incredible story in Formula one. There is no loyalty there is there is a race ladies race. You know for me. That's why was so important to stay and it so important this project because. I've been too long from the win. But this project really gets me up out of breath. And really I'm thinking what are we can go to the next we can go. But it just takes time, you know. And I know that people have been so loyal when there was uncertainty that we were not going to finish the season. People didn't look for other jobs. They wanted to hear. Athen this team is very very special. But I guess throughout that process you knew that if the team survived you're going to be probably be working for a stroll alongside a stroll in that team as well have a team. How how is that having a bosses as a stroll an is stroke? A boss in may. From them. I mean, so far I have to say that it's been really really good at muster in the team. Let's let's start with Lawrence. What kind of a is? He. He's very justic. He's probably the most motivated person we have in the garage right now. You know, his his really his as you know, that this project has motivate him the most in the in his in his whole life. You know, it's the project gets him up at six in the morning, and he's flat out trying to go through everything. Pushing the team we're very very hard. But at the same time is letting the Ottmar big boys to to their job, you know, but we are all aware that we have to to give their assaults sooner rather than later in that respect, I think he he loves writing. I'm surprised with his energy. You know, how much he loves an homage. He wants his team to be successful. He obviously wants his son to be very very successful, which is in my benefit as well. Because he his defending putting all the resources in place and with Lance Lance is just a normal normal guy normal driver. He works very hard. He's also very talented, and I have a very good relationship with with him. You know, we just. We were well together, and we're trying to push the team forwards to whether so. Think we we are all in the same boat. And we all went to be successful. Here. I seem to remember that Philippi massacre a bit frustrated with Lawrence lash lands tools, the end of his career Williams. Have you seen anything about the two of them that makes you worry that you're going to get he's gonna get an unfair advantage over you in the team? No, I feel so much part of this team of this family. We are all in the same boat. You know, we are we want to bring the team for while. We are not where we went to be at the moment. It's about bringing the team the team forwards. And I don't see that happening in in my case three onus. I think up to now everything has been transparent everything has been as before we are all very excited and so much looking forward for the new product of your six years at the team is this the most exciting period for you years because in the past there always been like single years contract a Norway's like for example, fifteen I was close to leave sixteen. I was close to seventeen always I've been really close to live. But right now, this is the project were what I want to be part of you know, is where I want to grow together and go to the next step in the past. There were always doubts of if we were going to make till the end of the season, we're going to get the updates on so on. But now, it's just a matter of how we're gonna get into the top teams and Lawrence Shays. You'll doubts about the. Tree. 'cause I've seen the plans. They look his hip. Yeah. Of course, you know. But more than the the looks of it. It's it's the people that quality, and and the amount of time that this tax on thing in Formula one. They they take our wire. Okay. So just to sum up the hair now with you check. Oh, gee fail. More motivated than ever felt gee fail. The good times. Still to come on that bit of VJ statement. Yeah. Definitely. I'm also very realistic. You know with with where where is my career at the moment. I know that I'm not how do you sum that up? I know that I'm not going to to Mercedes and Ferrari in new term. What before I there was always a shut especially with Ferrari was close in couple of occasions to the will there. So I know in from one to be a world champion you have to be in those two teams. So if you're not in those two teams rising point is fantastic project for me that probably that I've been with in the last six years. Appropriate that if it works out Comey tremendous and can give me the opportunity to be what I want which is fighting for Williams sounds like a really good place. Any coach your dad now, you're married? Not. So long ago, they seem site pretty pretty relaxed. Pretty I'm to be honest. I'm I'm happy. You know, I'm happy with with with my job. I have. I'm just on Sundays. I tend to be very frustrated, you know, because I know the right equipment that can be up there. You know, what when you don't have that quick, man. And you don't have the facility with your car. Everything is really hard. But I'm patient at the moment. As you may as you say, I mean, a very happy place, very happy with my personal life. Very motivated, and I want to take to be part of this project. I might not be you know, maybe the team at the end decides. I'm not the right person to be here for the future. And it's very I wouldn't regret anything. But right now, I have to say that I'm very very motivated with this product. And do you think the twenty nineteen call will will come good his pay for in the construction championship? A possibility. Yes, I still he still believed that I believe that you know, because I've been long enough with this team. At remember twenty sixteen when we had a similar start of the season. We went on the podium in Monaco. We went on the plane on Baco, and we finished fourth in the constructors so Formula one seasons, very long. So it's too early to to make any assumptions, we certainly we are not where where we want to be. So it I hope sooner rather than that. We can be where we went best with that. There's just two more things to ask you about scouring the internet before speaking TC even being. Now, I've read that you all fascinated by Pablo Escobar is that true. Well, I'm not. I'm not fasting fascinated. No, the thing is not that I Meyer or I will encourage people to be to be like him. You know, the thing that I'm more surprised from him of how was his life his work life. And how was his like when you watch his serious? His just like. Normal that, you know, which I find impressive to have two personalities when we on win with personalize. It's something that the shocks me a bit. But I wouldn't encourage anyone anyone in the world to be co snow, but it's a Savrda few books on him. And. Yeah. Scary character. What about what she's as well? Have you impressive watch collection. Another impressive. How many do you on? I own. You you're saying that's not an impressive watch collection. Everything I think. What have you know? You know? I always went when something happened. Nice to me that I want to remember for the rest of my life. I bought I buy watch. I don't watch for buying it. I always buy it for a reason, for example after each podium have you eight podium. She's I don't know. I don't have a put watches what sort of has to happen. I have for example, my first ever salary. I watch which was in BMW actually when I got a bonus. I bought that watch when my first ever salary in Formula one I bought a watch my first podium, if only one have my first baby. I watch. And I got my second one coming. So I need to get another watch. Is it the same make every time? Or is it noise if different makers, but I have depends suppose on how big that first salary was with BMW and how. So for example, with the son of my of my brother he has to. So when the first one came I I also have watch. So it sounds to me like you're looking for any excuse to buy. Kind of kind of. But I when I look at the watch. It means a lot to me, you know, because I know that it's for a reason. And it's nice to remember that moment will. Hey, your drive time is everything I suppose so much. Are you are you a punctual person? You got all these what she's are you on time for things for the important things. For the non so important, for example. I very rarely will be late for an engineer anything because Tom will kill me. Nobody. Big. So you don't want to argue with him now. But for those things I I don't like to waste time for for the people. But if I have to be like, for example, I'm always the latest person to to jump on a plane. You will always hear my name surgeon Peres see what why do you put yourself through the stress all used to be. I thought pretty I'm gonna go as late as possible to this. Right. Then why not just go half and hour earlier? And then everything's easy because it doesn't give me any stress to be the last person. But what happens if you missed the flight? The next one sorry to use the stereotype of Mana you can get. Remember, I'm Mexican. So I know I never lose light. And you'll never miss the fight. This has been the last guy that no I probably miss it because I'm arrive late to the airport or something. But not because I mean, the in the airport, and I'm the last guy to, you know, something I would tell you a secret. But then tell to everyone once you check your luggage for them is more difficult to to look for your luggage than to wait for you. So they'll never drop your your back unless you are very very late. So that's my advice note to self always trying fly on a different plane to check. I won't be. Check out. What a great. It's being lovely to hear your story and get your thoughts and your humor and everything it's been great speech. Thank you. Thank you. What an emotional rollercoaster. Check house had bull highs and lows and his eight and a bit years in Formula one then most drivers experience in their entire careers arriving with such a bang in twenty eleven scoring three podiums only his second season with Salva and then switching to McLaren. And the momentum was sucked from his career, but Chaco is a fighter and he's continued to improve. And he's now one of the most consistent drivers on the grid. Who knows what his career will take him next? But we wish him the best of luck. Thanks for your time. Check, I really enjoyed that chat. And thanks to to racing point for the hospitality. Well, that's it. For another episode. We'll be back next week with another star from the world of Formula one. 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Fed Returns + Muguruza/Rune Keep Rolling

The Mini-Break

36:53 min | 5 months ago

Fed Returns + Muguruza/Rune Keep Rolling

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That's what computer audio is. We apologize again for. They I suppose decrease in quality nevertheless. We didn't want to leave you. High and dry without a mini break podcasts. So what i'm going to be doing on today's show since i think we're going to be trying to bring david gertler on every week. If not him judson while somebody to focus on the challenger action what be doing on this week's mini break. Podcast probably moving forward just focusing on the atp wj level events now. Of course judson is going to come on the podcast. David's going to come on the podcast for us to talk about the challenger and it circuit action. We also of course have matt's chris halley. Who join me. On thursdays gray chow podcast to recap past week of college tennis action but on today's podcast just me steering the ship. I know it's been a lot of the case recently. So many people are doing so many different things that are so many events for me to go ask one of my journalists friends. Hey did you watch wednesday's matches across the five different tournaments that gets a little bit tough nevertheless once the events start to slow down once all focus in a place like miami or you know were over the early hard court swing. I'm going to be bringing on. People like ben rothenberg mark. Lucero courtney win blair henley are usual. Cast of characters to talk about some of the broader. A story lines. We see throughout the professional tennis world. But again on. Today's mini podcasts. Want to recap of the action. We saw on the atp and deputy levels five different events this week to for the women. Three for the men. Of course we've got the headline event in dubai fantastic termine in guadalajara. Ford the w. t. tour. And of course. I am fortunate enough to have press access for both of those events. So if you want hear more from some of these winter's going to be talking about onto day show go check out our crack interviews from the presser segments wherever you listen to your podcast on the cracked interviews feed. Of course we've also got. Atp events in doha in marseilles. And i believe in santiago as well too hard court events and a red court. Clay event of course wednesday saw the return of many people's greatest of all time male tennis player. Roger federer making his return on court. I wanna talk about that. I want to talk about muka. Ruth consider continuing her run of success. Some of the other players who have stood out at events happening across the globe. Of course the reason. I'm able to stay in day out. You guys know the deal because of you. Listeners are patriot family and of course our friends at midwest sports. I'll keep roof today. Mid west ford dot com. The promo code is our fifteen. You used that you let them know we sent you there and again. We're so grateful for their continued support. The least we can ask is that you support them as well with that in mind. Let's get into the tennis. And let's start with the action. Do by the best part about having these five different events you if you wanna get up early four five six. Am you're going to get to see action in dubai and doha. Men's and women's matches mixed together of course as the morning progresses turns into afternoon here on the east coast of the united states you get marseille santiago guadalajara. Starting in the mid afternoon carrying on into the late night. You got tennis. Twenty four seven folks. Which is all we can ask for as hannah's fans starting in dubai though we had a really fun round of sixteen day. Eight fantastic singles matches only one of them going the distance but nevertheless we learned a ton from the past day of tennis. Let's start with the headline player. The best performer. I saw on wednesday across the men's women's game once again. We've talked about her a lot. Here on the mini brick of late so brief garbin muga took twenty twenty french open. Champion and rising young star Fantastic fantastic to school on wednesday. She defeats her six. Six four Was far from playing her best tennis. Carbon mubarak is a combination of power length speed. It's probably the second difficult Second most difficult question for opponents to solve outside of just the power tennyson iomega asakusa able to produce on a hardcourt right. Now when you look for being muga ruth who was a finalist. Last week in doha of course at the match points against soccer into the australian. But i feel like. I've really driven that fact home to all of you as lay off late but you know four move ruth the now you look for her in her last fifty two weeks a she's i believe now. Twenty two and seven overall. You look even broader than that since the start of the twenty twenty season. She's thirty eight and eleven. And i mean those eleven losses covetable coasaca bardy maria sacree in close abu dhabi mash. Of course maria soccer. He played so well to end last season. Start this year before the australian bubble kind of broke her rhythm of course. She lost a three set match to danielle collins. In roland garros. That was a very high level. Play schloss of rome semi-final to help that she almost came back in. One in three sets was fantastic level. Of course the prerogative a match at the us open whatever that was her second match after a six month layoff but quarterfinal loss. Last year in three sets to bardy in doha. She lost brady. Three sets in dubai. Quarter-final was finalist at last year's australian. Open the numbers are saying. The eye test is screaming it. Google russa's playing the best tennis career. And it's ridiculous that because of the rankings protections. Despite the fact that again she is frigging thirty. Eight and eleven since the start of twenty. She's number sixteen in the world right now. That's far too low. She's at a minimum Player in my opinion one of the three best right now in the world right up there with a sock in my opinion still simona halep when she plays her best tennis. But i mean look it. Ruth can do a little bit of everything in this match against me on. Techy was once again. Plant high percentage with her serve. She made sixty nine percent of her first serves when seventy three point. Five percentage points was thirty. Four forty nine overall on her service points she was Eighteen twenty six on iga xiang tax. Second serve points jampacked by the only made thirty eight percent of her first serves like i said it was not her best day in muga ruth did such a good job just with dak and placement of her return of serve. When she had the opportunity a sitting second serve she would go big down the line or big cross court but when when she beyond tech would even land a first server just equality sector gruza was just effective at getting the point at a minimum to neutral going with that in pace down the center of the cord attacking the contact forehand. Which of course has the big backswing and just you know she would either leave that ball. Short Ruth has easy plus one ball over fantasy which is committed error and for a lot of this match. Eagles fan tech just felt like she was rushing through it. She lost that first set so quickly and went down three one so quickly in the second set credit to her. She found her legs. She won three straight games. She slowed down found her range on the forehand side started landing a few more i served and just being able to dictate a little bit more of a government that took away everything yugoslavian. Tek wanted to do when the reason tech's started to press is because of the amount of pressure mubarak was putting on her so again. Garbin muga ruth continues to shine. She finds herself in the quarterfinal. Our she's going to have a rematch of last week. Second round battle three-set match. She played with arena sap lenka who just had too much power for net contemplate today sampling guthrie and to win. And i'm telling you. I know savvy. Link loss to serena i know she lost last week to move rufa. She's making the jump. We saw her with the big win streak to events to win last year and then she wins abu dhabi the start this season She earned the power. Tennis is real. Her confidence is real I think if she can beat ruth tomorrow. That's the sort of win again. That get you start to think. Oh came in now. I can beat anyone when i play my best. Tennis in lincoln can beat anyone. Who's not at her level ruth at her level and she almost beat her and came back in a doha. Gonna be fantastic to watch that. Tomorrow in abu dhabi again it was a three in to win for garbage luca. Rufa how about my girl. Jill teichmann jill teichmann six three six three over ownership or nausea or plates such a physical match against reebok and again. She clearly didn't have the legs under her. And just you know wasn't moving as well as usual was turning to drop shot and kind of bailing out of points even earlier than she normally would during a match. But i think this is a really good match up for teichmann. Just because the lefty who's gonna you know hit heavy topspin. And that's a difficult shot for shipboard to slice. I also just think teichmann move so well that because you bore doesn't have that overwhelming power. She's able to track down a lot of the stuff own. Jabbour throws atr look jill teichmann. Yes she only made. Fifty percent of her first serves but she went twenty six thirty three. I'm i point. Sixteen of twenty nine seconds of point saved all six break point. Chances she faced was in show many of ownership or service games and just you know again used her forehand to stretch the court move around in georgia's tin quite have her legs under her today. And sometimes that can be the difference in now. you look for joel teichman. Who of course I fell in love with last year. Lexington her boost cova made the semi-finals teichmann in double made the finals in doubles teichmann made the finals in singles as well didn't drop a set beating putin save a cici bellis shelby rogers before losing to jen brady. You look for. She's nineteen and twelve in her last fifty to fifty one in thirty five since she won her first title back at prague in twenty nine teen look she's into the top fifty of the live rankings. With this result. Joe teichmann at a new career high of number forty four. That feels about right. And i still think with her movement with that big backswing with four him claes gonna be her best surface and i know she's had success here on the heart of late Having the opportunity to you know. Lose first. Round of golf at the australian open but then make the quarterfinals of the phillips island. Trophy event that next week and make the semi-finals the subsequent week in adelaide before losing to boost cova enshrine on tech respectively. Joe type it does a lot of things well she moves so well also she's a rock from the baseline she's comfortable moving forward. She's the heavy topspin forehand really fun game and really good results her again. Taking advantage of a weary own gibernau. She's gonna play coke off tomorrow goth. Finally getting a straight set win Over i believe martin sova this is going to be the third time. Goffin teichmann play in their last four events. Goff to in in their first two encounters. But you look at those two results. Goff in the warm-up before the australian open six three six seven seven six victory at the australian open six three six two victory excuse me third metric in their last five events. So i'm expecting a close one. I'm expecting a fun one tomorrow. Up between those soon again goff just martin's didn't have a weapon and so gough was able to just move around. The court played fantastic tennis today. Great victory for her in terms of your other matches your upset on the day. Ns estonia pot a polka the nineteen year old russian. Six one two six seven five over number. Sixty belinda. bench public didn't play after the pandemic. Stop the season in twenty twenty. But look what she was able to do a last season. She's seven five in her last fifty two round of thirty two in australia. She lost to just big. You'll in doha qualifying serena in australia. She also beat with neo segue but lost to simona halep in the jerusalem. Trophy warm up to australia. But in twenty twenty she was eleven and six. She had made a you know. She left the serene again at the australian open. But she qualified and made quarterfinals in saint petersburg quarterfinals acapulco in the quarterfinals in monterey end you look for the nineteen year old trump's twenty at the end of the month eight in the world which is twenty four offer peak high of sixty four. But she's one of the many under twenty players right now. Rising in the game was a great victory for her again here. A to advance over bench all your other winners. Barbara critic cova the twenty five year old. Who obviously more known for her double success. Twenty five and eleven. Though in her last fifty two matches she gets a really nice wayne. Six three six to vet lana nets uva jessica pecul-. I can't believe. I haven't mentioned this one dusting Caroline a-plus covi- in their rematch. From last week six love six two peculiar was just feeling it was going down the line being the aggressor. She took it to plus fun. It was funny because applicable won the first two games of the second set. You start to think yourself okay. here comes the comeback. No no no no no just just you'll got a hold for one. To quickly broke back was off to the races. She has been fantastic. We talk about her a ton obviously but great result for her to advance and then your other winter. The only player happened mentioned too. I talked about so much at the end of last year at mertens. Your twenty twenty. Wgn wins leader six four six two over caroline garcia. So you're match of tomorrow mentioned goff teichmann mugabe thapa lenka. You also have but you'll averse burton's that's a fun one. Frechette cova pogba. That's excellent should be a fantastic day in dubai let's move on now to guadalajara in. It's funny. I'm recording this late on wednesday night action still going on in guadalajara. As i speak. I'm gonna speak about the winners that i have seen finish. Thus far co-chaired ido and putterer rosca still on-court ovens are zoue Either just starting. Or i believe maybe finish the first set in mcnally's dan's ick still to come but we have had some fun results thus far today they've all been straight-sets but a couple of them noticeable. Let's start oh by the way last night. Katie mcnally three-set win over katie following. That match ended at two. Am ponderosa ended up winning in three sets over almost as well as g chard over caroline. Dala hide anyways The the matches that got my interests jeannie bouchard speaking of which continuing to show. I i think her last fifty two weeks have shown she's top one hundred player and i mean for her today. I mentioned that win over dollar had sheets. You vaunted a foreign three rushton the weapon star urged bouchard. And you look for her. Now you know she qualified made the quarterfinals in prague. She ended up in istanbul coming through qualifying to make the finals of she. Then goes to roland garros where she makes the third round before losing to ingush tax. She lost a volley nets in macon georgia in october and then she loses a match in australian open. Qualifying loses first round in leone but fourteen. Seven her last fifty two. And i mean on on Hardcourts on clay courts. It doesn't really matter. She just looks confidence. She looks fish starting to play aggressive. Took it to kyle von. And she really has played what one two three four five matches now in. Twenty twenty one. I think the more she plays the kosher. She's gonna Excuse me to that top one hundred currently a one forty four in the rankings. With her win yesterday she rose in the live. Rankings up to number one thirty eight a win tomorrow. Gets her up to about number one thirty one so hypothetically if she were to win the title this week she would be back up to number one out to just so all of you know. I just think there is a pathway for genie. Short back into the top one hundred this season but again a good victory for her foreign three overcome von who is back in the top one hundred and we had the chance to speak to yesterday in the press conference. Someone i got to speak to you today never to see. Marie boost cope. Who looked much better in than she did. In her prior match she gets a straight set. Win six three six two. I wanted to ask cova. Because she's played a lot of matches of late and you know she's someone who fifteen nine in her last fifty two. She made that final at phillip island trophy after she loss vs fiddle. Lena in australia. And i wanted to ask her a she. Someone who sushi served really well at wanted to ask for what that did for her victory today as well as how important her service to her recent run of success and i wanted to ask her about her movement and how it's been for her finding her rhythm playing as many match as she has early in the year does she thinks she's found her rhythm. Westoff will the clips support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. What would you do with an extra eight hundred dollars. Buy a plane ticket paid on your student. Loan treat yourself to those shoes. You benign with progressive. You could find out drivers who switch and save save an average of seven hundred ninety six dollars on car insurance get your quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you could be saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey who save with progressive twenty nineteen -gratulations on the wind. Dave marie curious for you when you talked about the serve earlier when answering your question you said you served well today. How important has that serve. Been to the run of success. you have had believe. Now you're inside the top fifty with this victory. how important has that serve. Been to your success in two thousand twenty one. Lean on their survey much. Can you be trusted acura summer space debris in with your shots by sort of. They're making a run on here. You know when the altitude i will take you to sit well as you can get three or you can send certain so. Just i if you don't mind me saying i think you're also someone who moves particularly well on the court and movement such an important part of your game We mentioned the altitude earlier. But this is also your first non australian. I'm curious what did you do between australia. And now to prepare and then ultimately physically. Are you feeling this week. Ohio base biggio on exhausted so mighty just let him use. Somebody's for my money observer. And there i was feeling kinda frightening edited stagnant working hard again non democrats. Who tonight this even. Maybe teaming Tennis song yet for to get into this awesome result today and good luck this week. So again marie booze cova straight-set winner three and two over boost and rescue. She could very well end up in. The winter circled this week. You look at the other results that have finished us. Three bus tormo. Three and three over. Koon lauren davis to in to overcome vintage. Then astra sharma the former vanderbilt all american national champion four and four win over young canadian sensation. Layla fernandez look there. Were two breaks of serve in this match. Both came in fernandez one in each set. That was the difference in the match. You look for astra sharma the big thing. Twenty seven of thirty three on her first-serve points and forty three fifty nine overall on served she was able to take control and fernandez did not play her best tennis today. She lost confidence and she started being a little bit overly aggressive. And you could just see. She was searching for answers and the good news. If you're later fernando's fan is the fact that she wasn't playing well and she almost came back in each of these sets kept things close in was able to find a bunch of different solutions despite again notch striking the ball her best today but i mean after sharma moves. Well she plays aggressive. She's able to move forward in the nancy's they had a ton of double success in her career as well was great victory for her to advance to her second career. Wj level quarterfinal in singles Again college tennis works folks of a with that in mind. A still a lot to determine in the matches tomorrow so i apologize no order of play at in guadalajara. Let's move on now to the atp action than. I can't believe i didn't lead with this. I apologize to all of your listeners. But yes roger. Federer makes his return to the court in doha. It's a three set win for him over. The spiderman mean equivalent. Dan ebben seven six three six seven five. Look there's good and bad for guy who hasn't played matching year. Roger federer was outstanding today. I mean he's still roger freaking federal reserve. it works. He made sixty eight percent of his first serves one seventy nine percent of his first-serve points fifty three percent of his second. Sir points saved three of the four break points he faced. He was able to attack with his for him when he was sitting. In the center of the court dan evans would slice the ball. And give him time to run around at the four and he just looked like roger freaking fetter. And that's the best thing you can say about a guy who's what thirty eight thirty nine years old. If you're a fan is that when he's on his front foot when he can be roger federer he still is roger federer now. There was a little bit of ross. I mean when apple could get him stretched or evans could force him to hit on the run There were many many times in this match. That second set in its entirety and at durations early in the first set in early in the third set were federal. Look shake looks like a guy who hasn't hit a ball in the thirds of the court in a match situation in over a year and he had an in the good news for him when he needed his on. The run passes most whether it was the shot hit at seven at eight seven in the first set tiebreaker. To win the match up to win the set whether it was again the opportunity used to create break point chances for himself multiple times in the third set the fact that he was able to continue to serve well and you know a move forward and at seven six. He has set point in that first tiebreaker. Hit the worst for inswinging by. I think he served was out but he just kind of laughed off and then to hit the passing shot. He didn't win the break point win the tiebreaker. It was You know it was exactly what you want to see from. Roger federer. dan evans played a great match by the way there is no way for. Dan happens to be a winner in this match other than for him to lose the match in the mind of the public but the fact that he pushed federal the way he did and then ended up still not winning the match. That's exactly what the public would want. He actually won a ton of brownie points and he competed really well. He a really good job of again. Making the match physical getting federal stretched making that action while he played a little bit to passively at times in federal made them pay for that particularly late in the third set. But it was a really fun. Matt some excellent shot making if you liked backhand slices. you'll like this match and the federal forehand for him to have it. Look as good as he. Does you the best thirty eight thirty nine year old in history. I'm sorry jimmy connors. i'm sorry You know to venus into so many great to have played. He really does make tennis at his age. Just look too easy. I suppose serena williams as well is right in that conversation. But it's just freaky like is this. What the next generation of athletes are all going to be able to do. If so yeah record. Books will become obsolete just for how long all of these players are going to be able to play but a fantastic fantastic stretch. But i mean fantastic. Given the context for roger federer. I think if you're a federal fan it's probably a b. plus to a minus range but how can you not be happy. He's back on court. He looks healthy. He moved fine. He served well. And that's the big thing. Come wimbledon the movement will get there with more repetitions but the serve. You know he can. I think he said this post-match press conference he could roll out of bed in still win seventy percent of his first-serve points the fact that that roger federer still exists. That's all that matters. If you're roger federer fan so excellent victory for him goodwin for dominic thiem a six seven six three over as the cards have to again if battery of you were wondering. How real was that. Run to the semi-finals going to happen. Every grand slam for carrots have but carts has got skills in that first set he was hanging stride for stride and he was absorbing teams tops. Been redirecting at taking the ball. Early team hits almost exactly the ball. Haaretz have wants to play against four set but physically carts have just not quite there yet on the level dominic thiem and i swear to god damnit teams put on ten more pounds muscle. He hit the ball so heavy he moves so well he made seventy one percent of his first serves. one eighty. Three percent of those points wasn't broken in this match. Now carts have was thirty nine to forty five on his first servant you know he only made fifty six percent of his first serves but when he's able to do with that i serve in his plus vol ability to attack. It's a leap folks on his ability to take the ball. Early remains impressive but team just physically wore him down. So that's a great win for dominic thiem to advance in three sets another. I believe we had a tumour. Three-set matches on the day taylor. Fritz knocking informed up in fan had a bunch of chances in the second set wasn't able to convert them but then ultimately six one five seven seven six four taylor its he won seventy three percent of his first-serve points now fortunately he only made fifty six percent of his first-serve respect. You go fan. At a fifty percent. Seventy five percent split on his first serve make and one point percents. Neither of them was particularly on the second service was a toss of matching and honestly came down effect that fritz hours able to fight a damning. Both of them fought off. A couple of matchpoint was eleven and nine breaker for fritz in the third set gumption folks. And i'm telling you he's gonna be the best version of himself. He loves tennis that much. He wants to be the best player in the world weather physically. He's capable of doing it right now. The answer to that question is no but he's got all the shots. He's incredible shotmaker when he can hit the ball cleanly especially on an indoor hardcourt or outdoor hardcore on any hardcourt. You think it's going to be an ace in so again. This is a fantastic result for fritz in doha. Here on these outdoor hardcourts in i now he advances to the quarterfinals where he is going to take on denis shapovalov. Who was straight-set winner today. Your other three-set match foods which three sets overloid harris harris could have won that match in straits but foods. You know when you got it you got it when it's hot role it's hot right now. Four martone food division again. Tomorrow's matchups in doha between dubai and doha. What a day you've got fruit shop of all of rule of which rematch of last week's rotterdam final ruble. Up by the way advancing after gas gay has to withdraw bacilus really gonna take on federal dominic. Thiem going to take on our be. Those are your quarterfinals in doha. In terms of the action in marseilles only four round of sixteen matches all of them ending. In straight-sets. google air was just playing different sport than jo wilfried. Songa who. i'm just sorry again. It's about expectations. That's what i'm trying to save your expectations are this is going to be two thousand nine to two thousand and fifteen jo wilfried song. You're just gonna be disappointed. Joel song still got the goods. And when he can be in the center of the court and move the ball around hit through cleanly his feet set it still looks incredible but the moment he left the ball in the centre ugo mbare had him in the outer third and google bear was just so much better on the run in this match than jo wilfried songa was three and four. Victory on bear was a rock in this match. You look for him. Unbear- twenty eight of thirty two on his first serve points in was forty fifty overall on serve so eighty percent conversion rate. You know he got the to break serve. He needed one in each set. He didn't face a break point. That's just what happens. Because once he was able hit a plus one bothers. Nothing song could do today to get the point back to even but again that speaks to how good go bear is right now He advances in straight-sets was really match between hatch nov and mackey. Mcdonald's and fortunately hatching off this a little too much physically mackey. Couldn't get the ball by him. I mean he could at times but you know had shops kept making that extra ball men when he was able to hit that heavy topspin forehand into mackey. Mcdonald body. mbeki had trouble with an so. You know again. This was a really tight match. I believe there were five breaks of serve three mackey to four hatchet nov. And if matty takes that. I said who knows what happens. He's as good of a shotmaker folks as you can want on the adp tour. He's gonna be back inside the top one hundred on his own merits telling you folks you look in the live rankings. With his results of late mackey mcdonald. I believe back into the top. One fifty look for mcdonnell. Let's see where is he right now. Number one seventeen right behind. indy murray. Whatever i'm not going to make a comment on that. I will just simply say mackey mcdonald gonna be back in my opinion in the top one hundred at the end of this season but goodwin for hatching of now new-look tomorrow. We've got round of sixteen matches in marseilles we're going to have medvedev and ct poss also beginning their weeks. Medvedev taken on jaroslav. Ct pas taking on luke up. We that's gonna be fun one you also have no reverse air bear. Rindge your neck. Verse the vich fokina. So a fun day in marseilles in santiago for round of sixteen matches in the books hoeger rooney continuing his winning ways. He gets a straight set win over. Benoit's pair six two six three nine. I'm going to call upset pair. Just checked out. In the first set and then did find his bearings in the second-set particularly at the start but credits rooney did a really great job of finding the ban wapiti forehand and then physically rooney can hang particularly on a clay court. He slides really well now again. Someone with a bigger weapon gonna take advantage effect of ruining will float the occasional slice in the center of the court but and ben appear times would just smack through plus one backhands in win points fairly easily but released the big serve when he's got time hits washington when he his feet are said. His ability hit threw the ball his ability on the run awfully impressive for a seventeen year old. This was a great win for him. over benoit's second Atp level win of his career now obviously he reaches the first atp level quarter final as well. Your other winners on the day laszlo jer. Three-set win for him over patriots. So said they'll bonus owen three over on three martin info sooner. Bagnis gets revenge on frances tiafoe Knocked him off last week in aires. This week it's for its bagnis. Seven six seven six over to off. Oh dako overcame a big lead To get to a first tie-break had a big lead served or that second set but ultimately bagnis made the match a bit too physical for francis and so Bagnis able to advance of again. That was a fun match. And i think if you're tee off oh you just look at. How physical other match played against jerry. His ability to recover from that match. I know he had a day off. But and this was a six thousand six to our a fantastic match. Bagnis made one more ball in every rally than tee off. Oh did but again you look now off should be a fun day tomorrow as we have for the other half of the round of sixteen christian garin looking to find his rhythm on the south american clay as takes on a hundred tubby lo. You've also got federico career number seventeen for swan pablo for. 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Using Amazon Fulfillment to Grow Your eCommerce Business with Michael Begg

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Using Amazon Fulfillment to Grow Your eCommerce Business with Michael Begg

"Real quick before we get started. I want to tell you about the build something weekly newsletter weekly. It is free and you will get tips tricks and tools delivered directly to your mailbox. I will recap the current week's episode and all of the takeaways. I'll give you a top story content. I wrote and then some recommendation that i've been using the. I think you should check out so it is. Free eight is weekly. It's over at how i built dot it slash subscribe. Go ahead and sign up over. At how i built dot it slash subscribe anna. Hey everybody and welcome to another episode of how i built it the podcast. That's how you build that. I m workshop. A new tagline though and that is actionable tech tips for small business owners. So let me know what you think of that This is episode two. Oh nine it is brought to you by are fantastic mind size restrict content pro in texas bender. You'll hear about them later in the show but for now i am excited to bring in our guest. His name is mike beg. He's a co founder at amc advisors and. We are going to be talking about several things that i know. A lot of people listening interested in opening up another income stream Discussing what it's like. The transition to a fully remote team. Mike is currently in guadalajara mexico and has a remote team of thirty people. So we're gonna talk about managing that mike. How you doing joe. I'm doing very well. Thank you for that great introduction. And i'm excited to be here and hopefully provide some good insights to your audience. Oh absolutely my pleasure. I appreciate you being here. And i am excited so Before we get into the crux of the matter why don't we set the stage you have here in your information that you went from employees to freelance business owner to running remote team. I feel like that is a path. A lot of us take lunch. Tell us a little bit about your journey up to kind of what you do now. Sure so As i mentioned before. I went to school in philadelphia anyway. Graduated from there Graduated from there started working in consulting when to deloite out of school. Then after that moved into real estate development Had a really great job. I really enjoyed doing. But i just kind of always wanted to work for myself. So i started trying to find ways to to use my knowledge my expertise to build other revenue streams. But at the same time. I started getting into ecommerce between the two i was doing some freelance work for real estate valuations stay consulting on upwork and then i was also building. The ecommerce side started publishing. Some e books on kindle started making a little money that way than moved into retail arbitrage private labeling building my own brands by importing products from china and then eventually building the agency that i have now. And we've been building this now for about six and a half years now and it's been going great. Yeah that's fantastic. So i mean you've been you have quite a wealth of experience a first of all you at school in philly. Did you grow up in or near philly. Yeah some some clothes. I'm from connecticut. Originally so i think it was about two and a half hour drive north or south connecticut. Like southwestern i'm close to new york so your your new york sports fan i assume right. 'cause connecticut's new york and boston honestly it honestly. I'm kind of a mix of everything. My i told you. I went to school in philly. My uncle also went to saint joe's okay and what i was little. He was just buying me all eagles stuff. So i'm actually an eagles fan football but for hockey and basketball when new york fan. So gotcha cool. We'll go rangers. I'm originally from new york. So i'm in new york. Sports fan How do you feel about doug. Peterson being fired real quick. I'm not surprised it was a pretty bad season but you know it is what it is you. You won the championship for us. So can't complain about that. That's true and i. That was the only time. I've ever really rooted for the giants fan. Because i still don't like tom brady so anyway. That's that's maybe we'll do more sports talking to members part of the episode but So real estate development You said a whole lot of ecommerce things there that i couldn't keep up with but You mentioned something that it sounded like you said retail arbitrage that sounded very similar to drop shipping is kind of the same thing or are they different. How are they different. It's similar for sure. But it's a little bit different in that you're you're not buying a bulk load of inventory from from asia or mexico wherever you're manufacturing Essentially what we were doing was going to every target and walmart and the tri state area and just buying up everything clearance and then turning around and selling it on amazon actually ended up making about ten thousand dollars doing that. Then we invested into inventory that we did buy from. China started selling selling out online. That's so interesting. So i guess at this point we should kind of make it clear right that. Amc advisors amc is amazon right for all intents and purposes. that's more If you're lawyer so you can't say that that's fine But you focus on kind of doing ecommerce through marketplaces like amazon. Is that accurate. Exactly right now. The ecommerce space is blowing up. And there's no bigger player than amazon so we saw this. You know six seven years ago and we just kinda went all in into the as learned as much as we could became experts and pretty much everything to do with ecommerce platform and stephanie. They paid off. yeah for sure. You saw the six or seven years ago. That's really interesting right. Because there are retailers that i really like or makers that i really like that i will go to their website and if i have to If i have to pay for shipping will see. They are selling on amazon right. Yeah do you find that. That's like what so A little anecdote but like what do you do. You find that a lot of consumers do that. 'cause there's gotta be some benefit right for Shops smaller shops to be selling on amazon. Even though amazon takes a cut right. I assume. Yeah they they do. They take pretty good size. Actually i mean you the way. I always phrases to clients people. I'm talking to about the amazon platform. Amazon's the biggest brand discovery tool that there. Is you know if you want to be found. You need to be on the amazon platform. Your perfect example. You go to amazon search to see what you wanna have. Faster shipping or cheaper shipping. People go to amazon now. Instead of google the find with the best prices on a product so as a small brand you have to be on. Yeah yeah and that makes perfect sense right. Plus there's like this This trust factor. Maybe not trust in like amazon. Big a as a corporation. Though i mean whatever but like amazon dot com. I will. I trust to keep to give my credit card information to. I don't know my parents sent me a website the other day that was like. What's your daughter like like what they didn't say your daughter Teresa like this. It's like a scooter thing. But the website was like shop online dot sale. I'm like i don't order from this website. This is crazy. Yeah there's yeah i mean. Consumer trust is the big thing that amazon helps a lot of brands. Get over because the reality is most people don't have good websites to southey right now by. I mean that's just one hurdle. The amazon platform helps inconvenience fash Shipping is another huge selling point. The eyes of consumer so. Yeah i mean all that's really important. This episode is brought to you by restrict content pro. 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I mean it's like a quarter of e commerce sites commerce so If they are you know if we have a small business owner who wants to get into kind of selling stuff online Maybe their own products. Maybe not right because you demonstrated that it doesn't necessarily have to be your own products. What are some of the things that they should think about. As far as research goes As far as like researching what products they want to sell or you know just kind of understanding how the amazon platform works. Let's let's go with kind of how the amazon platform works rate We had previous upset about drop shipping talked about kind of researching products. But if you have tips you know that was two years ago now and not talk here and there. I know a lot of things have changed. I mean the amazon platform is pretty straightforward. Obviously the consumer customer side is a lot better build out than the actual seller side. You know there's a lot of pain points on the seller side. There's a lot of people get frustrated with amazon. Just part of the process amazon is bill to serve their customers not their sellers. Which is its own thing But anyway you sign up with a professional account cost about forty dollars a month from there you upload your listings you need to have. Upc bar codes for your products. Need to purchase those from a gs. One those are about ten acts like three hundred dollars so it's not that crazy from there you can list your products on the platform and amazon will pretty much handle the entire fulfilment side of the sales if you want to again. If you don't have your own warehouse you fulfillment team or you don't wanna be packaging hundred dollars a day to go ship out yourself amazon's great for that you know using amazon. Fbi you can send all your inventory right in. They'll distribute it across the country closest to the consumers that are gonna probably repurchasing your products and then as the orders come in. They'll handle the shipping mail. The customer service in any issues on that end so super helpful. If you are small business any don't have the capabilities to really deal with the fulfillment and customer service aspects. Yourself if you do. I mean that's great. You don't need to use fbi also florida's directly from your warehouse but fbi deafening. Get you a little more visibility on the platform definitely helps you stand out more. Get the prime badge which is another very big selling point when consumers are shopping on the platform and bats more or less the basic steward. I mean there's a lot of other a specific niche things that we could talk about. That can help you sell more. But just getting set up on the platform is pretty straightforward and following those processes. You can pretty much do it on yourself on your own. Yeah for sure. So the kind of use cases. I'm thinking through right. Now is maybe we have like a maker who's creating their own stuff Or we have somebody who's may be looking into drop shipping or or Retail arbitrage i. Okay somebody who's selling other people's products and it seems like i if i'm making something i can. I can basically send it to amazon for them to fulfil or i assume if i'm doing some If i'm buying someone else's product in bulk i can have them send it directly to amazon is i. Is that how it goes or do i need to do. I need to me then. Intended to amazon. Yeah i mean most of the time we're going to have it sent to yourself or you're going to be seeing yourself in person and then you're going to be sending it to amazon. That's probably about ninety percent. There are some people that will send it directly amazon for you but it's a little bit more difficult to find. I see it really doesn't matter what size business you are having employees. There's there's so much potential. Here on the platform declined. That was literally a one person operation to start with. It started working with us a couple years ago. She was doing about fifteen twenty thousand dollars a month in sales. And you know two years later. She's doing three hundred and fifty thousand dollars a month in sales and now she's actually being able to build a team i mean she's she's making significant revenue. She has a significant team to help her now. And that's just one example of how quickly you can grow on the platform. You know how much you can scale a business. Just through the amazon sales channel. Yeah that's great until and this is Kind of reason we're talking about. This is because as a freelancer as a small business owner. You worry about when you're one big client says we don't need you anymore right like we wanted. Diversify our income and so Selling through amazon is a good way. Now i suspect of the listeners. Like me Do more kind of digital products. You mentioned that. You started selling books on kindle. I wanna ask you about that in the members only show sure But in general amazon. We're talking mostly about physical products. Here right yeah. For the most part the kindle side is just one piece of amazon there's a royalty based business so you create a digital content. And you're making money forever. I mean books. I published eight years ago or still right review royalties every month. So yeah that's just one way to do it but You know physical product businesses are also pretty easy to build platform in not that challenging to do on. It's not a fulltime job. Do it on your own if you have a few products that you're selling so and that's fantastic because the fulfilment is the hardest part. I don't have room in my house to keep inventory right. I've got two kids now. So i don't know that they're toys r. Where my inventory would be Now now the other part of this is that you your personal path has led you to creating amc advisers and you have you say you're running a remote team of thirty right yes. So let's let's talk about kind of how you built that team and then how you moved to remote right as right now. Listeners can see this. Of course. But i'm looking at you in an office with multiple desk but you're by yourself. I assume because we're recording this in the midst of a pandemic yes that would be a good assumption. Actually kind of a funny process that we went through. I mean it started with Definitely working remotely and then coming into his office and now now we're remote again because of the pandemic. Yeah i mean as a business. We started growing. It was myself into other partners in the agency star way than we were handling a lot of things ourselves. We were able to get to about forty thousand dollars a month and grabbing you with us stanley which was nice. I mean that was like ninety percent margin so that was a nice little payday. Then we realized if we wanted to actually take you beyond this build. Something that had some equity value or or something that could provide an exit in the future We really need to build a business. Not just be doing freelance work again. If you're relying on a lot of clients a couple of big clients that are really bringing in revenue. We kind of were It's there's a lot of risk. Hang your business model that way. Just put it that way so we realized that we had to start scaling. We started using. Birds will assistance in the philippines So that was one aspect of our remote worth team. Obviously there's definitely challenges with that time zone. Being one of the big ones we as an agency. We need to respond to clients quickly. We need to provide good customer service in dealing with time zone. Differences created a lot of issues around that sometimes so we continue to grow and i actually came to guadalajara. Was where my girlfriend. Why i'm still here And as we continue to grow we need more people so we started hiring client facing people remotely in the us and content team people here in mexico so doing graphic design content writing Administrative stuff things like that now actually started hiring client facing people here in mexico as well so it's just been a process of scaling like that. Obviously march twenty twenty hits in that kind of all changes The other pandemic comes in. Now everyone's working remotely in mexico now. We have eighteen people completely remote and it was. It's obviously a big change. I mean i know it affects people differently By we had a great offer community prior to the pandemic it was great like how people we worked with really enjoyed. And now i know a lot of people are missing. Adding that interaction with everyone impervious ended up the same talking through slack for example. But it's one of the challenges that that most companies are facing. 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Are you hiring english-speakers in mexico to or the people in mexico handling kind of client base for you know they all worked with english speaking clients. Our clients are in the. Us canada The uk australia india. So everyone is english speaking And it's not a i mean. The reality is so many people here in mexico. Grow up learning english. Many even are born in the us and grow up bearing come back to work or go to high school era. Go to college there so it's actually pretty easy. We have our entire teams phenomenal with their english. So our clients don't even notice really when they're You're talking to them that they're not even from the us. Gotcha great yeah. I was just kind of generally genuinely curious about that. Cool so as you mentioned the pandemic march twenty twenty you moved remote And you mentioned that there are some difficulties there right. There are people who enjoy the kind of water cooler talk and things like that seeing their coworkers what what kind of tools and processes did you put in. Place to help mitigate moving moving an entire team remotely yeah it was. It's definitely a challenge. I mean communication is the backbone of everything really. The first step was making sure that we were implementing slack. Most of our clients are team communications our through slack however we also have weekly phone calls just sort of goes on board. Were up today with everything. we do. A monthly newsletters to our team where we update them on. What's going on in the business. You know what we're focusing on our growing so we try to keep the communication piece because that's the most important to us You know top line. I mean if you can't support your team in that way they don't have any idea what's going on You know it's definitely a little bit scary boy not not really understanding what's going on in your business beyond that tried other virtual events. We did a virtual cooking class which was actually kinda fun and then we had a virtual office as well so it's kind of like a a work happy hour And yeah i mean those are some of the things we've done. Zoom zoom has been come incredibly valuable for videoconferencing and actually seeing people face to face not just for work but for personal life as well so yeah i mean that's more or less the way that we've helped manage our team here in mexico. It's it's different. I mean like. I said they were in the office environment. So you each other. Personally they were hanging out having lunch you we were going out to lunch together a little bit different than a team. That was in the. Us that was fully remote from the start right. They didn't have that face to face person to person interaction so the the relationships are a little different trying to do something here in mexico is extremely important. Help build something a little bit more solid for our team there. Yeah for sure and As far as so you know we talked about the we talked a little bit about your client work Your again most of your most of your client facing team was originally in the us intermodal anyway Have you had to change your process at all for Pitching or client acquisition. No we've actually always done our business development remotely. We've only met in person. I think with two or three clients over the course of six years. Everything we do is online. Everything we do is remote video conferences have were doing that. Well before the pandemic kids to get that face to face relationship by the good thing that for us as well was that you know the amazon's face was mean it's still evolving. It was fairly smaller back baghdad. Many companies in it was harder to find people that were specialized in that knowledge. So having the remote business development wasn't that much of a challenge And i i mean. I can't speak for every digital agency but i think more and more people are open to to the remote stuff i don't i don't think meeting in person as as is as important as it used to be Because we can all work online and more and more people are realizing that. Yeah gotcha but yes. So you're biz dev mostly you're mo- and and that's an interesting point right. It seems like you specialized in such a way that you were probably you know web developers i feel like a dime a dozen I have one. So i can say But people who specialized near services at least a few years ago. Probably pretty scarce. I think as you said. Yeah exactly. I mean there's not there are a lot more now. There's a lot more competition. There's a lot of agencies that are nowhere that don't have the experience that we do. They don't have your the prior experience selling themselves either so there's a lot of people that are moving into the space but which is also a challenge because the quality is going to be very different between the ages is that people are working with So obviously we always recommend working with an agency has been around longer. that understands how the amazon spaces evolved. That's extremely important to get a better idea where it's going. Yeah for sure. This is great where we're coming up On kind of the end of our main Discussion again in the members in the build something club version of the episode. We'll be talking about Selling selling books on kindle and perhaps other digital products So if you're not already a member you can sign up over. Build something dot club for five dollars a month. Lots of great stuff over there But i want to try as we wrap up and we have some tips for the listeners. we talked about selling on the amazon platform. We talked about building a remote team but but overall we also wanted to cover Opening up other income streams and selling on the amazon platform is one way to do that. But you've also built a team that helps other people sell online. I don't want you to create a bunch of competitors to your product. But i know a lot of people do web development consulting potentially Newcomers commerce consulting. You can Offer some tips as to How you can specialize in helping people sell online is that is that too nebulous or do you think that's No i think. I can talk a little bit. I mean obviously what we see in this year is that ecommerce has taken off and within the development space. There's a lot of things that are still needed. I mean More and more people are adopting just for one example a website development shop by everyone's bill shop. If i source now we'll commerce the same as well. There's a lot of people that are in the traditional retail space. They need to start building those online. Presences i'm sure there's a lot of people probably reaching out to them on the web dev side kind of get that going Another big area though is application development for online You know a lot of there's so many different businesses that have different tax tax. And you know there's different. Connector tools like trade. I o xabier. Whatever you're using stitch data for api's api pipelines so understanding how to connect all that data for a lot of these companies. That maybe don't have that technical experience another area where. I think there's a lot of value for have web of app development experience as well. Yeah i mean. There's there's so much data going on. There's so many different ways that like people need to be a better at manipulating data. Visualization right Understanding data analytics in usage is very important. And that's another area. Where a lot of which i think web development work could be done by. Yeah i mean it's really just reaching out to allow retail businesses and just seeing what their needs are. I mean everyone pretty much has some online need right. Now it's just seeing whether you're a fit for it or whether you can find someone that can provide the service for them. Yeah absolutely and i think if focusing in i think mike as you've done on on a particular platform right kind of niching down specializing Becoming good at it as a way to differentiate yourself from other people. This episode is brought to you by mind size. Look it's super important for stores to have an online presence these. If customers can't buy online they might not buy at all and doing e commerce fast has gotten easier doing e commerce right still has its considerable challenges. That's where mind size comes in. They are a full service digital agency that focuses on wordpress and commerce development. 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Today they will help you make more money whether you need an ecommerce store whether you need to improve your current ecommerce or or if you build ecommerce stores for others. That's mind sizes dot com m. I n. d. s. i z. E. dot com. Thanks so much to mind size for supporting the show. The last kind of tip. I do wanna ask. Is we alluded to before. But if i want to. If i want to start selling somebody else's stuff right. I don't want to develop a product I just kind of want sell it. What do i do. Just maybe one to two things or two to three things Steps i could do to find a product that i think is worth selling through amazon fulfillment. So if you want to sell other people's products it's a little bit more difficult More and more people are waking up to more and more brands. I should say are waking up to something on the amazon platform so a lot. More people are taking it in house. Retail arbitrage is one way you know. Just go into your local stores and seeing what's there The amazon app. You can actually scan barcodes. see if it's on amazon. See what the price point is You know you can calculate whether you're going to make money based on what the discount is installer. That's one easy way to kind of going Something that's a little bit more. Challenging is to do is to the reseller route or kind of like a drop ship row is well. We're essentially you're purchasing inventory at wholesale Directly from distributors. And then you're you're selling retail This is a good way to use other brands. that are not yours can just purchase products and put him on the amazon platform. Now way and start selling there's going to be other competition so finding the right to serve years getting the right agreements with them. Maybe if you can get an exclusive agreement for distribution ran i mean that would be huge But yeah that's another out you could go. And just reaching out to these people and asking them for their product catalog seeing what they have is just the way to kind of get that process. Starting gotcha well if if anybody is interested in that definitely Advice check check it out. there's also all lincoln the show notes over at how i built. It slashed two. Oh nine to a drop ship episode that we did again. This is Probably eighteen months ago but still generally good advice So with that. Mike i do need to ask you my favorite question which is do you have any trade secrets for us. Trade secrets for sure. I think if you're going to go the route of building your own brand on the platform one of the biggest trends happening in ecommerce in one of the things you need to take into consideration. When you're building your listings on amazon is everyone's matt everyone more and more people purchasing from their phones so mobile i is becoming more and more important and just it seems commonsense but maybe you probably don't realize it if you're not looking at it from the perspective of selling When you're going through the the ap amazon for example what comes up. I is the product title in the images. People don't actually scroll down to the bullet points of capturing their attention in the product images is one of the most important things you can do and we you utilize your lifestyle photos product photos with text overlays to call out the benefits right there in the photos so as soon as they come. They're seeing visual content. There sigma highlights the product probably within a few seconds you. They're going to decide whether they're going to purchase the product or not based on professional. It looks how well done. It is how much the product actually benefit their lives. That's fantastic Call out benefits right in the photos. I think that's great stephanie. Worked on me. If i see a photo on i don't need to go scouring through the description And i thought. I thought of two points as you were talking there right. More people are purchasing through their phones probably another benefit of being on the amazon platform. Because most people who are using the amazon nap. It's extremely easy for them to pay on the phone. I have And i'm sure we all have had the displeasure of putting in our name and address and credit card information on our phone hoping we don't mess it up. Apple pay has made that a little easier injury. Pay me that or android wallet has made that a little bit easier But with amazon it's press in and you're you're good to go most of the time a little to easy maybe but So i thought about that. And then you mentioned product title and images captured attention really important. Help people make the decision. How important are ratings and reviews. Social proof is one of the biggest things ecommerce and general Other people think that our products good. It's more than likely going to influence. More people. buy the product if you start getting bad reviews a big problem on your hand because it's very hard to reverse that i say this at anything whether you're selling physical product or digital service your product quality is the thing that's determined the most of your success even if it costs you a little bit more to do something if you have a good quality product. You're going to get that good social feedback those good reviews or ratings or whatever they may be and that's only going to help sell more people down the road so always focused on the product putting out there to sell love it I am going to ask you another question being getting amazon reviews in the members. Only show as well. This is something that. I'm generally curious about but also something under actually Involved with because people ask me to review their stuff all the time. And i also just put out a book that has gotten a couple of bad reviews because it's not like the last version So we'll talk about all of that in the members only show for now. Michael thank you mike. Thanks so much for your time. I appreciate it if people wanna learn more about you. Where can they find you. Joe first of all. Thanks for having me here. Really appreciated hope. I was able to provide some valuable insights The best way to get in touch with me or gained contact with me is either through my website. Afc advisors dot com or directly at my email. Mike at amc advisors dot com. All right i will include that and everything we talked about in the show notes over at how he built it slash two nine. If you're a member stick around for the next part of the conversation if you are not considered over built on the club but either way i really appreciate you tuning in So again thank you so much to mike. Thank you for listening. Thanks to our sponsors Restrict content pro texts expenditure and mine size for all of the show notes. You can head over to how i built dot it slash two. Oh nine and until next time get out there and build something.

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Episode 49  Season 2 Recap

BSP: Believer Skeptic Podcast

36:24 min | 2 years ago

Episode 49 Season 2 Recap

"If you're easily offended the show for you. But if you're into that weird fun you've come to the right place. You've been warned more. Reporting. We'll. I, I believe. The skeptic. Welcome to be as people lever, skeptic podcast. The podcast were two idiots debate phenomenon. I'm Chris, I'm the believer. I'm Cody, I am the skeptic. For first time listeners, we are in LGBTQ, paranormal comedy podcasts. And this is not really an episode. Oh, yeah. So typically what we do is, we would pick up paranormal topic, and it could range from anything, and we presented for action. We've done everything presented formation in stories, and then Chris talks about why here people believe in an idea bunket, and we just have a lot of fun with it. But this is this is a little different because we said the last episode was our final episode for the season which technically it is. But we like to like last year, we want to do a recap of the season and just kind of things that we learned things that we like, etc. Etc. Yeah. So this is our season to recap and also works really nicely because the first season of episode first season three was going to be episode forty nine and we were like, oh, bummer. But with. This recap. It'll be episode fifty and writing off our second or aniversary of two years to your anniversary as well. Oh. Said that's a lot of pressure. We're going to have to do some real good shit. We have a month to do it super exciting. I think we're actually kind of writing a little high right now because we just interviewed his name's. Alejandro. And he is a journalist and UFO expert. Every food he has been on an episode of the car Dashiell. We found out where he took them out to look, air, fifty one, and we were like, are my judges drop in, so he's a big deal. And we got to interview him and that'll be coming out, and I mean, I'll say this now but we don't know for sure. But we may potentially have another big interview coming in the future. We're just trying to figure some things out. We'll get into some of season two. But while but I think I wanna go ahead and say right now before people just kind of shut us out for two to now, July, even though we're not going to be recording new episodes. We're taking them off. There is content still going to be released. So don't go. We actually have the one hundred hundred row Haas interview coming out, which is a maze. Ing, and our live show with pride, forty eight is coming out as well xactly, and so we're going to have content, and it's going to be awesome. Yes. So what are we start with? Oh, okay. Yeah. So how did this last season? We're going to do now is each just gonna take turns asking questions. And I was gonna say of each other. But we'll answer the question we asked as well. I think you have our listeners be interested. Hear both perspectives. One doesn't matter what I think go to start that. What, what do you think has been the most difficult thing when it comes to podcasting? Oh difficult a whole, okay? Okay. Yeah. Not just in relation to season two I guess, well, I think I still kind of go, like I think it's going to be a similar answer to season. One is marketing is so hard because you don't know what works or whatnot. What doesn't and you try things, and, and suddenly, you're like, well, I guess we should say, I mean the last two months has been huge for us. It has been unbelievable like huge. Yeah, yeah. We'd like we're not gonna share specific numbers, but we've kind of exploded, and we don't we look at each other. Because we're like what happened? What's going, we ask each other every day, what has changed those two months? But that just goes to show that two years of hard work, really, well, pay off, eventually, my fingers are so cross knocking on your fake table would cross your tone. And I'd like to some of it. We can attribute pod, coin, I think has helped us out, and we'll have another at our all our guests that we had some really awesome people, you know, so. Absolutely that. Yeah, we can't pinpoint one thing one thing, we're happy to have what we have. So happy. We're literally just kind of been all smiles with the podcast because that in, in the last two months, too. We've also been invited to panels we're going to two different conventions interviews. It's just been crazy. It's been super crazy. And so that's what I think I want to can, I guess, you're like what's been most difficult for you? Because I wasn't sure because I know if we're being complete transplant at some point several months back when Chris was like, do we keep going the and I know that was hard for you. So is that your thing was trying to get listeners or not getting what you were hoping that we would have? Yeah. I think so. Not getting the amount of people, I thought would have interested. But that's really changed. So I mean I, I think I don't see myself stopping, oh, my God. I would kill you. Honestly, we had different expectations for numbers because I admit I was, like, when I had a blog, it's like well, you can get your family and friends, and the people, we can't even get our family and for other people complete strangers that don't know, us listening to like different like Croatia. So I've never been disappointed. But I know you're really down, and I shouldn't do this, but I do I mean, other people start posting about all their joyous things all there. And then that doesn't happen to us, and it gets a little disheartening. That's true. That's true. So I just gotta stop trying to write somebody else's train and just stay on our own. Oh, good. Little quoting. Yeah. That's cool. All right. So now home, my God. We kind of answered different aspects of different questions. So, but if I if I had to do one, because I was going to say, well, if you did that I guess the highlight of season, two would be this kind of last couple kind of last couple months explosion. Well, then if we go then into more specifics than because I want to do highlights what we did this last last season. So it's going to be similar questions. What were your favorite episodes are moments? From this season. I also have some similar so. I still love the lion. I episode just because I love the topic and I think we really there's three episodes that setup up for be. It's that one vote do and top us. Yeah. Which those are not the we don't do deep dives on other stuff, but these ones just seem just there's just so much more that we'd learned that we didn't know before. And then with Leona it's just something that's real connected to my culture. And that's why I doubly like that topic as well. You know, absolutely. I always knew it was going to be like, you're on because even like whenever we're looking at numbers, crystal, send me and be like Lexi liar on as number one is going up. Because he's like so tight to it. So that's, that's so fun. Mine is actually one of yours, and you'll know which one my favorite episode that we've done is I'm told us because it was one of those where it was literally like the day before recording. It almost felt like where it was like, well what did we? What should we do? That's fun topic and out of nowhere Christmas. Yeah. Yesterday, I heard of this thing called culpas. And I was like, what the hell is this? And it was like, we read like a couple of sentences, and it was like, oh, yeah. Yeah. We do this, and it's so fascinating because one it's interesting, but it also is a mechanism to para normally explain tons of other topics that we've done like lender man in Bigfoot mogayon monster. And I thought that was so amazingly fascinating that I always have a special imaginary, friend place. I'm trying to think if there's any moments versus like an overall. Moments. And it's one of those things were like on the spot for finding out that my pronounciation people. Horny. Oh my God. We can talk about that. Do you want to meet you go ahead? Go ahead. So we each other a hard time about how them all pronunciations in Chris is always so over like the. Pronouncing. Well, we did the pride stream and we're gonna share that, well, what shall I don't know if it's in the chat, we talked, we talked about we did a little so people were like all the gay boys were chatting while we were doing the livestream. And whenever Chris started pronouncing his words people were getting turned on. There were asking him to repeat them again. And one guy wouldn't like I came. So you're going to hear that. Livestream. I thought that was pretty funny. Whenever you introduced Ali hundred row Haas. He was like, wow, you say my name padded I do. I didn't know is the thing that was that was pretty funny. I'm actually scrolling through the topics to see like if there were any moments. I mean, the episode was really fun. But whenever we have my friend Scott Detroit guests stars like Zach wants a season now. Right. Hopefully. Well now with, with the kiddo, that's to be a lot more difficult. Oh, we can Skype them, baby. Now, we can Skype him though, totally could Skype him and that could totally work. I'm trying to it. We did month made in this season. Yeah. And he had so much information month man so much, and so that, and it's just like you have your friend there. So that was that was really cool. So maybe we need to get some locals here in our crappy studio. True. We all we'll just have to clean out this room. I was going to be like it's not so bad. It is a disaster. But when it's four so it's true. All right. Is there a topic that we have yet to cover that you would like to in the next season? Okay. So I have a very scattered brain memory when it comes to top. We'll say things and then you'll forget about remember that time, you set this, what? Times that's why sort of making a list, but we also forget to write that list. We we've, we've talked about hundreds of topics, and our list is like four because we just forget, and that's the thing is that we come up with the most fun ideas. And then if we don't write them down immediately, they go away, but I will say we have yet to do the Minnesota ice woman. Yes, that's been something we've talked about for a long time. I think that'll be neat. And then also we interviewed Al hundred zero Haas, and he mentioned this thing called tricksters, and I think that will be really cool. And we might actually are going to try to get him to join us with that because it was really fascinating. What about you? I don't know. I mean, as you know, I think a lot of. Folklore or like urban legends within certain cultures. I think really fascinate me sociology and in folklore, I think would be something related to any culture. I think maybe we should try diving into different cultures that were not familiar with, you know, I think that'd be really cool because you hear a lot about, like we've Hinduism the gods. There were so many things we have yet to even touch. Yeah. But there's, there's so many urban legends within their own cultures that we just aren't aware or cryptos zoological topics. It's true. Because we stick we, we stick, a lot of time to do stuff in southwest stuff that we're two million with. Yeah, exactly. We've done like Hispanic thing. Like I for you Texas things for me white things. The privilege goes. Vida. It is paranormal. It is kind of you can't explain it. That's so funny. My god. Wait a where we at whose turn is it. If you want, that's the last one I will. I'm trying to think of this is even a good question, but we're there and I don't think there are because we was thinking so much fun with any episodes have instead of saying that we're maybe a little disappointing. What about wants maybe that were turned out different than you expected? Is that leered or moments? Different. Oh, I hate to pause along, because of these are also an edited, but I can't think I'm also bringing up our list right here that turned out different. So. Yeah. And maybe or any say if there was a need that turned out to be it could be disappointing in terms of the research that, you did it wasn't. I don't know is that I think again, I'm going to go back to do. Is it turned out different for me because I learned that voodoo is not what we think it is, as, as a western society, you know, and it was there is so much more aspects of it, that are really make it a beautiful thing rather than something that we've always been taught is not, you know, I think it's absolutely true. Yeah. Because even whenever we got into the topic of like, like, like zombies, even that was different than we expected all these sumptious whenever you hear a word. And sometimes it's like, oh, well that is not that is not what I was thinking. And I think that's why I like the paranormal is it opens up your mind to a lot of things. You don't know rightfully that are there. Totally. I also really liked our. Our episode. Lorraine warren. I just thought it is another she abide. And we there's another topic. We picked up like that because she had just recently passed away, but I just thought it came out really well too. That's true. That's true. What's kind of kind of different? So, yeah, I think that's neat. I have like the couple that come to mind as I'm looking through this are the episode we did on deja vu, was different. And I would say, that's kind of like food like a good way because I thought the topic of it was kind of boring. Yeah. But we found out like deja Rev terms that come along within stuff that is actually some really interesting stuff. And also another thing that was different than what we thought it was initially. Oh, totally also like because we're paranormal whenever we've done our couple of at the sewed like on true, crime stuff usually when Chris just sit like Valentine and halloween's all kind of shy away, because I'm like, you know, like I were paranormal that's real life. It's real life. But we end up we've found angles on them. That I think where we could still debunk in talk about that. So I think those were of pleasant surprises. I did my mind right now if I'm going to disappointing things I can say this. Maybe it will resolve itself just because I want suggestions is that whenever we have guests, it's always so hard because of that communication gap like whenever you're using Skype. There's little delay back and forth. And I hate that I hate that little delay. Because it interrupts the conversation that you kind of interrupts the flow and we did find a new recording mechanism, but it still doesn't race the Skype delay. So I hate that. So if anyone listens to this, and you have the most amazing way to record remotely reach out, come. Well. Okay. Arshile just for a second tuck to you about pod, coin. It's a new app, that's actually helping us out a lot. And I don't know if you knew this, but you can actually get paid to listen to our podcast or any other podcasts. So you listen to podcasts, and you earn these things called pod coins, and you can turn those in for gift cards at places like Amazon, or Starbucks or grinder just kidding. You can even donate them to charity. If you wanna be kind, the more you listen. The more you earn. It's like gave her pay anyways, here's what you do done, what the app on your iphone or Android. And we have a special code for us. Simply use our code BSP's p suppose that and you'll get three hundred pod coins just for signing up. So just go ahead and listen to our podcast or any other Puckett's listened to pot coin and sign up with our code Bs p I swear, it'll change the way you listen to podcasts. And it'll help us out a lot of bacteria regularly scheduled program. I think this is a fun question. We talk a lot on the podcast. And sometimes forget, what we say often, you know, so is there something, you haven't said that you think our listeners might be interested in knowing. Your eyes open. So I'm like, oh, gosh, I'm trying to think that we're we're pretty candid. Yeah, we're pretty open about most of us. You answer it. Because if you ask you must have an answer. Let's leave it spawns mine. I don't know. Like I think everything, I mean, I talked about a lot of my history, and where I've come from by likes, you know, everything what I do in, in my life out of here. You know. So I think I don't think I think we, we don't always expand, but we definitely are very open about who we are. And what we do. That's true. That's true. And I think if there's anything there might be like, I've maybe raised some incomplete images and what I mean by that is like in past episodes. Maybe I've played you not talk about my mom how Catholic she was. And that was very true. And she was like, you know, so unbelievably Catholic, but I don't want it to make her seem like a caricature Denka. She was a really great mom. And that's one thing there was anything that I could expand on that. It's not going to be that interesting would be. Hey, she was like this, but she was also like a really great person. And she was cool. You know, and she was quirky. There were things like that, and then also oh God. I know that I beat down on impacts episode. He feels guilty about it all the time. I know I do because I like admittedly, like I don't believe in it, and, and, but I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. You know what I mean? We never do. That's the thing that we've always said to, as we never wanna shit on anybody's believes this is just our armchair expert. Yes. Of knowing these topics. It's true. That's absolutely true. And because I've, and especially because depending on who we know when meeting, guests and everything, like I don't want someone to, to walk away like offended, so, yeah. So what are you looking forward to occur near is there anything you'd like to introduce to the show, anything like that? Because like this last year our second year. We changed our logo. We changed our name we changed our music. Oh, that's true. All my God. Oh, yeah. There's so many more things because I was just thinking of our format. And I was like I think format works. So, you know, that's something that I don't want to tweak too much. Well, that's the thing. We'll how do we do we do a different theme song for every season? Then. That's how we. Yeah. Don't my God. I never thought about that. Because now I know how to make them like, I did this last one could take clips. Good. And it's got a top the previous one so we can we can discuss that. Yeah. I don't think we wanna do logo because. I love what lady does. So if you need any some work done. Let me know what introduced to Leany from talks poopie to totally changed anything the intro with we disclaim where the song is a full forty seconds, even I would think if anything maybe shorten it by ten seconds. All thirty cents because I know like whenever you're like it's like whenever you're watching Netflix. The skip intro. Button is everything or like Hulu, when you don't have like the non-commercials you like, oh my God. Yeah, exactly. So I love it, but I also want people to get into the content anything that you want to do. I think we've talked about this before we haven't really fully expended on that. But I think we're at a point where I want to do a private Facebook group, commended, and just for fun for people that listen to our episodes, and that can jump fun, links and stuff in there to work. And then to, we've always talked about never monetize ING this from our listeners, but I think we have talked about doing coffee KFI, which is a donation if you feel like donating to it, I'm probably going to set that up. It's again it's not something that anybody has to do like a patriot where people subscribe to that. But coffee is just something that if people feel like they want to do that. Can so. Oh, yeah. Total think we'd also through on the idea of maybe looking for sponsors. And if that happens great in, that's something that's so in its infancy. Right. And if anybody out there has done it, and has a way of knows how to approach people doing that. Let us know give tips just the tips, tips and tricks to drink. I couldn't even think of the, the actual saying. One more thing. Oh, yeah. In also one thing, this is going to happen. We mentioned in our last recap in it didn't is we are putting disclaimers at the beginning of our first, especially our first episode, and that's something that will happen because a lot of new listeners, listen to that. I episode and they here are sound even though it may have great content. The sound is not great because we just won't show what we're doing at that point recording kitchen. So we'll put a disclaimer on that. All right. I just have a couple more questions. These came for the Twitter verse, we'll do those. I'm to ask. Oh, okay. All right. Oh, that's okay. Apologize. Again. So we were talking before about our goals, and how our numbers and really happy with how things are going, if we reach a certain threshold, and I'm not going to say what it is. But we'll we could determine it would you get a? B. S P tattoo. Can we do that as an actual like this? If we get enough, people, listening, will you do it. Oh my God. I, I would strongly consider it. I don't see why wouldn't really okay interesting. And we would do is we would have lean or lean Leany Leany design it. Okay. And I wouldn't want it to be just a logo because our logo could change, and that's huge, too. That's a lot of deep intricate detail for two. Yes. Well, oh yeah. Oh, true. True. But just maybe something from it or something that she'll decide that that'd be really cool. Oh God to think about think about. Wow. He's actually hasn't. I thought you'd be like, yes. Good because it also be representatives something significant that happened in my life. It's true. True. It would have to be the right one it. Yeah. Exactly, like, when I when I get much older than already, you know, dead. Then I can look back at say if we're not still doing this look, that's something I'd spent a large amount of timing. My life doing. That's true. And if it did, well, I mean, my not also we could do a poll on where you get it not on my face. BS penis. Oh, that would hurt. That would hurt. All right. Okay. Okay. So now what happens I drop asked Twitter today. If if that any questions, I it was very last minute when I decided to do that. So these I just got a couple, but the first one is from Friday. The thirteenth follow him on Twitter at fry gay thirteen. They ask where did you get your inspiration for the show from what keeps you going? Don't want to answer you, okay? We actually because we've talked about it before, but we have talked about it in a while. We have newer listeners about where the idea came from. So Chris was a big podcast listener. Still still is he listens to ally murder states. Yeah. So, so my favorite murder, that's that kind of was the recent. We're Chris, I'm gonna do a podcast. These two girls can just sit around and talk read. Read articles, they'll very well, they're hilarious. Then I was like white cats. They're so talented so funny and they merged so well, that it's. That takes a special chemistry. But that the big compliment that we get a lot as well as we have good chemistry between us green. I totally agree. I think we kind of fill each other's gaps. My head. I'm like this is going to sound bad but it's like. So we were talking about it, and Chris mentioned, like, we, we talked about ideas for months, like we didn't start as early as we could have because we couldn't decide on a topic almost became a movie podcasts cable, pop culture, LGBT, all kinds of stuff. And then it finally whenever Chris kept bringing up paranormal and that's where I was like, I don't believe in this, like a lot of this stuff, and it kind of shaped like, well, what if we do one on paranormal, but then we talk about like we can talk about believing in not believing in it. Yeah. Remember the that is the same thing that I remember to. Yeah, absolutely. So, but what keeps us going is? I think one of them is definitely people that listen to our show and all the feedback that we get, I think those are two big things that we really, but I think another thing aside from all that is that in the paranormal world, there's never ending topics, that'll never stops a we can never say that we don't know what to talk about this week trip. We'll never be able to say that that's true. That's true. Like it's we get to learn so much. I've learned and it comes up in random conversations like the stuff that we've learned like I've had with. Just look people. Yeah. And you start talking about something I was telling Chris about a woman, I met this weekend and start talking about the podcast. And she subscribed him was messaging me about it. But I forgot to tell you that the parallel universes came up during that conversation was like, oh, yeah. The parallel universes. So that was kind of spun. They're cool. Yeah. And then the second question was Ryan el-tahry. L Terry, one are figure skating friend, Commodore guest. Yes. What is a topic or topics that you've covered that, you flipped your opinion on respectively? That is a really good question. Because as our listeners know, I am the believer and Cody is the skeptic. So. I would probably say for me. Where I. Decided Lee believed less was in the d'appel gangsters think like while I believed in, in the sense that scientifically, it could happen. I guess there's one in one million chance of you having another Ube. But, like in the paranormal aspect, I don't think that is a real thing, actually being a U versus just looking Mike you that super interesting. Yeah. I think I explained that to in that topic as well. So walks going into it with very little information. You're like I think there's something to this. And then once you got into it, you're like, maybe not. Yeah. Yeah. The sense I would say say so. And then also the topa like that's just like it is a real thing. But it's not if that makes sense like it's a figment of your own power in your own imagination, which is not necessarily a bad thing because you can do that. Like I said in that episode as well about meditation and things like that. Could be beneficial. But I don't believe it's like a sense essentially being like that. You're kind of thinking up, okay? Wow. That's interesting. So for ma'am, kind of throw in something. Weird was the interview today with one hundred zero Haas. He gave you a lot of fuel to debunk he did. But he also gave he gave some answers that were just really fascinating, and it's clear that he is skeptical by nature. And so some of the stuff he'd said towards the end like I kind of was like, maybe there's something unexplained to this that I kind of agree with that. Yeah. Maybe some of the stuff like. Yeah. And I don't want to give away the interview, but I, I loved whenever there are a couple of questions that we asked that it was like, oh, so he's like, he's not just as wild conspiracy theorist like he's just going off information that he's found fascinating. He's very knowledgeable, and he's very well researched as what it is. Exactly. Exactly. So is a cool guy. So I, I wouldn't say I came out of it like a believer. But the potential coming out of the believer lever closet believer. So, I think that's all the questions we have. I'm sure this ran pretty long hair, but. So we're good. So I think I can ask you, one other question. Okay. That is instead of outside of the putt cast in the next month or so, what, what fun stuff do you have coming up like different stuff? And I know you have a couple of big ones. Oh, this is. It's huge. And I forgot to even mention this I wanted to mention time to do it. On Tuesday afternoon. I am making my first international trip ever in my life never been out of the country. I'll be flying to Mexico. I'll be actually have a layover in Guadalajara. And then I'll be in Mexico City on Wednesday mornings place, which we're going for a friend's child baptism. But we're doing aside from that so much, while I'm there, one highlight that I think would be very relevant to the podcast is in our episode the forests of death. I spoke about Leisler Monica's the island of the dolls in such Emeco done in the canals of Mexico City, and I'm actually going to go there, so just wet and some men's canals with those. So I'll be taking pictures, of course of me there and I'll be filming a little bit. I got a camera all, let you all see that in seeing some other coal things to. I'm also which could be we could relate it to the paranoia was. I'm also going to. The gun where the. Tech pyramids are the cool for the pyramid of the sun pyramid of the moon where they've actually made human and also Akra ffices at some point, so I'll be climbing those payments, so two huge highlights. I mean, we're doing a ton of stuff, but that's huge good Mexico City than when I come back the week following starting to direct Chicago the high school edition of teenagers. So it is your eight addition of Chicago, all the sex, and Cussing is Cup. But you'll have all the murder in there, you know, so America, and then I think that's the only that's happening in the immediate future. So, well, whenever so I will say whenever like of all the episodes we've done there were a few places in my head when God I would love to go see that. And I ended of the dulls is at the top of that list. So whatever he mentioned it. Onto the dolls so jealous. But also excited that he gets to see that is really cool. That will definitely go all over Instagram and Twitter. Oh. And then, of course in September, where going to the UFO international UFO congress here in Phoenix were Alejandra will be the, but that's the one of the biggest UFO conventions, we actually were we're giving press passes. So we're going to be kind of behind the scenes, but the cool thing that'll be next season. So we'll be able to say we do a whole episode on that we'll have our phones, and maybe we'll be able to reports of interviews were there to be really cool. So then that we're going to get business cards for that, so fun that we can send you all if you want totally true. It's so funny. Like that's your coming up for me. I I'm seeing a Disney cabaret this weekend. The end. Book three should becoming. Oh, yes. So book three I've been working on it, the love better. I'm going to be working on it later tonight to I'm the first draft is, is like the Indus is coming. So it's usually like that with book three because you got to wrap up so much probably I, I am not a writer in, in the capacity you are. But. It'll take, I mean, the last the last quote unquote, allegorical chapter takes longer just because you have so much to think about. And that's a lot of it is coming to the final getting into right now. The final climax of the story because this wraps up like this is the climax for the entire series. So it's got to be satisfying. And that's something that I've been really kind of thinking a lot about is how do I like bring this to the climax to ahead? God of them. Factory. Okay. I'm shutting up questions. I think so. Okay. Well, everyone, thanks for a really great season. Two heels and just continue to listen to us this month. We have what we have coming out is just gonna blow your mind, especially our interviews going to be amazing. You know, just something different for us, and tell your friends, if you like us share us, and I hate to be that guy to, like beg for reviews and stuff. But those also are nice to see too. So if you have some kind words, take a couple of seconds and write them down in there. We would love that. So everyone will we're going to get to our lives for. So.

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