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Ep. 328 - Whose Club?

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01:37 min | 3 years ago

Ep. 328 - Whose Club?

"Uh-huh. John. Did I walk episode three hundred and twenty eight Trent three sixty five today's Thursday, the twenty fifth of October. I never want to be a member of a club. That would have some unlike me as a member now, which famous philosopher said that Groucho Marx, the comedian. You know, the guy that ES thing I ever heard guy this guy in the glasses and the nose and the mustache back guy. And it's one of my favorite quotes of all time. I think applies very well to probably most aspects of life in general. But I think it applies really specifically well to business because you don't just want the business that comes to you you want to do business with the people and the partners and the other businesses that maybe don't even know you exist yet. So don't just accept the business that comes in the door, go out and find the type of business that you want. It's a little bit similar to what we spoke about a couple of days ago with the idea of changing your competitors. So that just accept the competitive set you have go out and find new competitors to compete yourself too. Because. What you do? You don't want to be a member of club. That would have someone like you as a member or that's thanks for tuning in. I will be back again to Morrow. So you only lines. The podcast. You just heard was published with anchor got something you want to say to the creator of the show them voice message using the anchor app free for an Android.

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Frank Ferrante (March 31st 2021)

The Ham Radio Show

2:00:01 hr | 4 months ago

Frank Ferrante (March 31st 2021)

"This is ham radio fighting the war against the purification of america because who needs venture qui- because we can follows followers but not too close on twitter twitter dot com forward slash radio. Show so good up. Bring their This is wonderful as we can do be on kiro radio put. You left me no choice. I call the scene host of this show. You have total control over. What happens on your show. Don't you don't then you sell to your job. Yeah i know all about the fcc here. He's working on the radio radio with the listen. I'm here to get my money back at ham. Radio dantonio with bill clinton for picking for you dangerous radio today. I'm radio you didn't see your your lawyer back against cancer. America and eighty row. Now that you know cannot learn demon Good evening everybody locally our komo stymie an eagle seven day. It is the hamlet of show. Good evening everybody. Set on eight five seven thirteen eighty nine. We are is time to get it. Get it in spinning around dug it up and down. This is the anti talk. Show talk jonas the ham radio show. How are you doing okay doing all right rather doing we're we've know saying man. We are sands. Billy billy is in the facebook live sweet so feel free to talk to him. He's the there with corey and amanda as well. Bayer live on facebook the league race of and they're running. Go for you and ready willing and able to make you happy. So 'em up right there on the facebook live until to them. I had car trouble so he could not come today but he. Yeah he sent everything and the show will move-on can't gas over like a no gas or no just cargo on general he supposedly starter went and it's weird because that shit must be smart and that happened to me the other fucking day am i literally was in. I'm out with a man. Were route and we're shopping. Or whatever the fuck i remember i. I literally remember the fact that i had this and a man had to this. And so we left the store like abruptly mine so we leave this store abruptly and of course we get into the car and everything in the car turns on except for my fucking engine. Supposedly we happened was we'll get to the end of the story in a second Supposedly i wasn't in park which i don't understand how i wasn't in park wasn't important so what happened was i called aaa by. We're waiting on aaa. So we literally have spent forty five minutes whenever supposedly to the aaa guy comes and i gotta piss now. Luckily for me. I was born with a penis. Now mind you. It's not big but it works. Go anywhere so exactly so literally. I go the other side of the car in the parking lot and pretend like i'm looking at the tire and thank god. I was wearing shorts. Just lifted the leg sideways and visit. The only problem is getting rid of tat tat at the fucking door and it's my girlfriend knocking at the window telling me the aaa guys right there. So now i i'm pissing la the aaa guy shows the fung up and i'm not getting it all out. I'm literally good style talking when you can fucking abuse and you ended up in your draw. Jingle was i had this weird ability. I'm able to actually stopped paying version. Yeah when i get nervous if something happens but something goes on my dick shutdown vault. Thank you be like midstream. Then when i if something happens might goes and just like shut up so now. I'm talking my dick in my pants. This guy is coming out of the car and is now a puddle fucking water you know outside of the fucking vehicle dork. No if i had a look at the time it would win perfect. I like lassie. What did you do wasn't a anyways. He comes in. He goes he goes. I don't understand what the fuck your car because we check the battery check and everything was one hundred percent in the car so he goes. I don't think you're in park. I'm pretty fucking schuermann park. He goes to push the car to car. Doesn't go so that means we're in park. I mean last time. I fucking check. We were park. I didn't have corey by the way in the face and saying use a gatorade bottle. I didn't have a gatorade bucket. Please if i if i had a bottle i would have pissed in the bottle and everything wouldn't be fucking great. Yeah so when happens though. Is you put the ball back in the frigid weather. Nobody knows and you tell people talking. Lemon apple soda. Enjoy it elizabeth. This lick a few bits. It's spiel. I know it's nice not passed that. So andrew checks he goes. I don't think you're in park now. Meanwhile he pushed. The car didn't move. That means i'm in portland. So then he goes putting new jill bakken are we back it up a little bit and then i fucking stopped. Put the break bragging park and then he goes now now trying to turn it over. Of course the fuck is the only word neutral. Safety swishes go. I just finished. Everything should be fine. Save everything literally just shift up when you turn the cable. 'cause neutral safety dropped out. Yeah literally i just. I had to bring the car the for the inspection anyways while it was just fixed the date steering columns fox fix whatever the hell it is they gonna fix my back wiper so everything was hunky dory so you good now now. Now i don't have to worry about the the carbon like a dream kid so while you look at the another call. That's not my car. I use that. Carl my mother. Oh so like but most use to all the fucking time damien tool the fuck it drives. She's still she's just below. She's out their revenue. Engine drives to the fucking supermarket hair. Ovalles kind of stuff bumper. Something name i. Hopefully all his mom now in her seventies she still good z. Man know reebok's kickin ass when you act allows you can't live old people old people the problem with a truck. I'm okay everything's fine. You hit a true metal. Do kmart wasn't there yesterday. It was steiner. Just stop home to go right so anyway that happens and whatnot. So we're now did the car situation. That's where i'm at now. Because i do have. I have family that one. They're dying to take me car shopping because now like i said i got more money than i had ever in my life because my job was fine. I have more money now. I can afford a car so now but the only brown which i was looking at those giant trucks. I was looking at like the dodge trucks. You know those big one fifty two fifty or whatever the fucking nowhere to park these fucking. There's nowhere to fucking park these if again in new jersey. I've never had a new car. Joe we discussed this. I've never had a new. I've always bought used cars had gene. That was used. My first car was a down in. Have these cars had brand new and my sister by gives a new car. Yeah the fucking week. It's like nothing zoom. My other sister just got a new car and hit it very easy to get a call to use the they wanna live. I mean you know you can pay for it straight up reading your head. Yeah but i don't wanna finance exactly. Yes you rent payment. Why can't i just by the fucking call. Well the like. I did that with my car. I bought it outright i. My cousin exclusive car. But it's thirty five thousand dollars to buy a lot of money to like. I was depreciates to ask. If i was so my car now only like a year and a half old i probably maybe ten fifteen. I dunno trading yes to me and ain't fucking worth. I'm still looking. I'm in the midst of trying to find a car so saying well. The best i had was two years old. Yeah that's the always binding. I love luxury. 'cause this is so i always always used to buy a two three year old luxury calm because there's nothing appreciate some on the luxury car. I want a ninety thousand dollars. Bmw finding was. Will they twenty two. So you got rid of it like dumb ass five. You're like anal retentive. What your car is automatically that that would have been a brand new car to somebody cadillac. And then that one fucking fuck you the the other thing by the way on. Today's show. I want to bring up because we never stuck on this whole car. Thing was we're doing an actual redo. I'm very excited because when we started we cove it so literally a year ago. Now i'm thinking it's a year ago. We started must team. Yeah when we started doing the out of my room talking driveway. always things those we gotta donna. Thank you todd for radio. Todd we absolutely So as such we had a problem with one of the first guest. We try to book. You remember frank ronn who was to me. he's like the living embodiment of groucho. Marx who does groucho. we only shows. He's in a movie doing it. It's his whole thing. We're and groucho was so important to me. I was so excited about having them on. And of course when we tried to do the interview it didn't work and so we've been waiting a full year plus now to redo and we're going to do that. Ten nine frank ferrante is going to be on the program tonight and i can't wait because he's got some great stories because to me groucho marx. Important in my life. He's the guy is the guy he perfectly blended being a anarchist also being a genius comic genius i and taking and having ability to have the double entendre. He was fucking mass toes. And a lot of if you look at the actual styles of like even a johnny carson. Who came up with learning from each other. By game and jack. Benny and they learned from the the the the. What would you say the kingpin of this. The guy that was the manager. That's when you look at like johnny carson's delivery motion. That is literally. He's doing groucho jack. Benny woman sure both pastor child and he's putting together and that's where i'm thinking on my where my love of that comes from. It comes from knowing that. I know what you're doing and it's groucho well. He was hilarious when he did you. Betcha life watching you. Betcha was unreal. Get away with the nov kiddies name because excited to say your word on the duck falls down the all and some fact that thing about thinking about when you think of comedy thing about how iconic the like you can buy the nose in the glasses and the moustache sure and that is literally is made because of groucho. that's how iconic that is. I smoke cigars because of groucho. That's i said you know when a guy make a mark like that you know how famous he is because he was dead before edge was even born zola and to make that kind of mark on you man you know he's gotta be you know slazenger. Well we we. Do we do as testament. There are two different kinds of people out there. They're the ones that like the threes us and the ones that like the marx brothers. I gravitate towards the march brother. Yeah because no events any any motherfucker could slap each other and be events or something. I'm not gonna be you. I don't mind that. That's what a thought. Provoking fucking movie is like animal crackers night of the opera. I horse feathers. There's so many of them. One line is amazing forever. Look i can't wait the bucket. Dogged frank i cannot eat to me for somebody who's somewhat touched greatness to me. That is what frank ferrante days number because he was actually could and we'll talk to him about it at the top of the hour. Arthur marks one of ground. Joe's kids when when frank was twenty something years old doing this show. He created the show that went on to be this juggernaut and he goes on tour with his flock everything he invited or their marks to come to the show. So you're inviting the guy's son of the guy you're going to emulate on the stage and this guy shows up and he's like i if we have to do something with this man like it was. I think it was only like months later. To keep was on world wind tour. He goes all over the country over the world doing this. Doing groucho and everything. Quite frankly and amazing story. By never dies it will never die. That's the fucking problem. Ease immortal. That's how you know when it's a comedy classic. No one of my favorite lines. he did. Which one when he got out with out to dinner with the check and it gives the chance goes is ridiculous. This is outrageous handed to and go. I wouldn't you do that. Shit the women all the time. I would pay. Should've i you just ridiculous. And i realize i believe that was ninety opera. Well you know what that kind of brings us to this day to day. Here's our forks. Oakland what he asks you a question you answering throughout the show exchanged simple sticking. Qna the days. We'll be by hammer. Show jack attract All right today is really really easy to understand with frank. Ferrante day coming on the show tonight. And since he's the living embodiment of groucho. Moore's and what celebrity would you wanna party with. I'm talking about living. your doesn't matter living. You're dead if you party with one celebrity. Who would it be. And why i need to know seven. One seven but comedy doesn't matter be anybody Seven one eight five seven seven. Thirteen eighty nine. Operators are sitting by. I need to know today. What celebrity would you wanna party. We're talking dinner dancing drinking drugs. Whatever the fuck. It has to be one night to hang out with a big time celebrity. Who would it be. And why i need to know. It's the hammered. he'll show me personally. I would wanna hang out with like charlie sheen before the hiv there would be guys. Get away exactly abso lutely. Just chill chill from the is charlie sheen before the before it when you think about forty eight. Gb partying on sets when he was on the set of wall street. Even the you know how great that had the fucking being a great time. But if i had only one guy to do i think any time you went to the bundy ranch get. I have only one guy party. I pick somebody. Somebody's little more to me. Elvis i wanna jam with over so i wanna get my good saw down with all this and all the rest of the guys jam session. That would be i. Would i like. I would die after that. That would be. Yeah i gotta save you really gonna party man like party high hardy man. You know i gotta say It would either be rig james. I'm james George clinton you're gonna fucking party with a lot of smoking You know what you're going to get a lotta a lotta shit going on in that jam right. That'd be a good party. But you know. I like joe's josie johnner fry. Because that's another one richard giove-a sauce guy from face jewish guy. Richard pryor coriolis agrees with charlie sheen. of course they get fucked up. you're talking about prima blow in the eighties. Joe plus broads. That are eleven's thing. I n had money back then. But i'm just saying but like shrapnel the booze the wind the women every places that would have been my weakness to women georgia weakness. Now yours clinton nothing but women around kid you gonna nielsen music with jewish clinton's. Oh yeah of course mean good party music kit all right so we got charlie sheen from me. Joe ios say george clinton george quit bringing it on the phone call stars. We also have weird al from. George courtney love oh. This is your reason. That's the thing that's why the the day is out there and it's your reason. I wanna why everyone eight five seven seven thirteen thousand nine of the day. What celebrity would you want living or dead to hang out with the party with one night. You get one night with him who you hanging out with. I'm thinking about it. You got the drinks. The dancing the drugs that dinner and all the dirty stuff in between so you figure it out and you go from there to me. That's what our rights. Charlie sheen would be a fun time to get courtney love before the fox's name from a nevada blue his fucking head off see him and i can't fucking think of his name. Baker famed blue. His fucking head across the room you imagine hanging out. Kurt cobain and courtney love and just fucking hanging out and just you know hanging out. It can't be. it can't be boring talk about depression. Now there's a guy who had rule fame money beautiful women. Yeah i gotta shoot my head off. The president hits people in different ways. That's the fucking brown fucking depressed about. I want the party without drugs without droves without any drugs. And i i don't do drugs so you eddie murphy be nali madrid. Eddie murphy would be god apology. Waste gioja said a source a source guy i just said i just ended like porky pig when i was saying that says eddie murphy. Here's the problem though. Andy murray also had a little bit with dea not not. Every time they were women. I had to go there. What i'm saying is going to be a hard. Shell game where you're going. I think it's a broad. I don't know if it's abroad. I you should kicked him off. Kicked him off and between the legs if he go down. That's your handshake and aretha. Excuse me gotta find out. Excuse me ms. I'm gonna i'm gonna kick in the front and if you fucking because you have nots. If i lose my shoe can go hang out together. I mean what the bug is your point if corrigan's a second pick he's going to say he's donald trump so well. Yo i mean back in the day. Downturn must have been a fun. Hanging party has definitely a party. The only problem is he was partying an epstein island. So you got you too brother. They never thought they'd get caught. I wanna do. I don't wanna go there. An island is a possibility that i'm going to have a chance. A fucking the twelve year. Old sorry i don't wanna be no around that. Look i want a twenty two year old. But i don't want that to be the combined age of the two girls giving them you massage seek a look back at twelve year but she going to be talking about before the shallow on certain cultures current mormons marriage. Twelve your prove this shit but you know what none of us here ringing doorbells and saying fucking how are you. None of us are elders in the mormon church. We don't need to fucking twelve year old. It's not something we want to do. Joe no i'm i'm just saying in certain cultures. We were talking about earlier. Rain sir gervais. Joe sleep with their one of their gaze off fucking roofs. Culture can't be their culture. Doesn't make it right. Jim coaches where women ain't shit cultures where they stone women for thinking let alone wanting to drive a car go to buy shit thing about trump and a porn star. You're hanging out with trump stormy daniels. Dangerous i'm just saying that's a weird. That was a weird night. I'm gonna hang out with us. He got the party. Which a man from the bunny love to broadway half was dennis. Let me tell you the first time we take. You're not you couldn't take videos. There was a lot of people that were wealthy people. That didn't want cameras on secret camera for me. Secret camera would see it. I'll tell you a story but we gotta come back from it. We'll we'll we'll. We'll talk the frank. I'll remind me to tell your story about the first time i ever went to the bunny. I miss you being able to trust me. Look at you too late. Yeah here's the thing it's not done yet. We don't know the phones going on. We'll figure it out. It's the ham radio. Show seven one eight five seven hundred eighty nine coming up next the one. The only groucho himself. Frank ferrante day when we back vs. It's like a d you right now in the kitchen vending a hot stove and i can't see this radio show. 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Finally it's frankly christ a year later we got frankly worth the wait right absolutely right now. I love it. I love it. Just kinda tease tease at any teasing. Let's take if we can answer Frank variety aka groucho marx himself. On the phone the man who has a show called. It's a movie right now. groucho plays through april seven in austin texas and the blue star light drive ins and also it's in the process of finding broadcasts in streaming deal. I i have shown a streaming service. So maybe we'll talk about that later. Then maybe we can get a groucho on a society that would be fucking That would be really so you gotta take me through this you twenty seven years old. You're at usc and you developed a show about. How did i fall in love with groucho marx. You're a fan right. You're a big graduate that we all. Well you know i would i was. I was a nine year old ten year old kid. And i had a neighbor said frank gotta you gotta put the tv on and watch these guys in action and it was a dancer races and i'm going. I don't know what i've never seen an old movies. The black and white film. And i put it on and these guys are just ripping it up and i know. They're being disrespectful and irreverent and insane and i just found groucho like just. I don't think thrilled me exhilarating. He was so tough and fearless. And you know like most kids. I was shy and i just fell in love with him and that was the start. I and i remember laughing out loud for the first time ever really liked that. I had never been you know. The he was crazy he was rude and physical and verbal. And that's that was the start so it put me honestly. I wanted to many local libraries. I got learn more about these guys. So i started reading about groucho marx marx brothers in comedy of that era and i loved i loved it. I loved the comedians of the era. That i grew up. Guys like mel brooks and steve. Steve martin peter sellers and you know all of that and i still accommodate fanatic and but the point was that kind of that kind of exposure to groucho and his brothers. I wanted to be like those guys a performer. You're surrounded by performers and. I wanted to be like them. They were looked like they were having fun. Eddie part of it was we were talking about. There's two kinds of different schools. My girlfriend by the way was also in the facebook. Live sweet because i said there are two schools of thought there either the three stooges fans or the marx brothers and eileen i lean towards the brothers even though they were the three stooges where brothers the howard brothers i i lean towards the marx brothers because to me they were not only irreverend but they were also intelligent you you hand to follow even though it was utter chaos and anarchy right and everything in between harpo chasing the women frigging hopkins horn now and going nuts so yeah you got chico and you got even zip over christ sake everybody everybody involved especially groucho. I'm you had to pay attention. You had to follow what was going on. You had it somehow. Lasso the chaos and understand what was going on in the movie and my love for came from. I actually saw a play. I and it had nothing to do. It has to do with the merger of the but it had wasn't like a performance like you do with the full grease paint mustache and the whole living embodiment of groucho. I and i watched it was a school play and my sister's high school at the time and they did animal crackers and i and i get no no. I've done that show many times. You've done everything i mean. You are literally the living embodiment ground works. That says you're gonna say well. Many many many minnie's boys were. yeah there. There was the mom the mom the ultimate the animal crackers that your sister's school. Yeah and literally like drugging the belly laughs. That came out from you watching the movie. I literally had to just ghaffari. Because i've never saw something like that. I never at all especially in the theater. You know when you're a kid and you see that you hear you hear theater. You're sitting there thinking phantom of the opera or somebody that you're not thinking theater could be this funny. And so i saw and learned later on when i learned groucho was from that you learn about the mole and you start seeing movies and every time there on amc. I know one time. I wrote frank when we didn't even have frank on. We're doing the redo for a reason. I had frank literally wrote frank. Anyway because we're facebook friends now and i right away just you know on. Amc the marathon runners. Because i everytime 'cause dvr box eats them all up. And i lose them. I have the retaped them every time their on. And i literally do every movie that the boys make i redo and watchable over again because he's like a religious experience. Yeah i agree. This is just you saying that will get other people to watch. Yeah like i said. I think it's turner classic right. It was turned yet again. But it's it's it's a do what you're saying in that with the marx brothers graduates comedy the difference between them and the stooges. I love the students. I think they're amazing. Of course i've timings incredible. But i like the fact. That groucho is a winner that he beats the little guys that beat the big guys. They're in high society situations and they win. Stooges always kinda lose no matter what you know so i always identified with groucho. 'cause i you know you wanna be. You wanna be your teachers. You wanna beat your parents. You want to beat any authority figure that you know. And that's the difference. It's interesting that you that you gravitate to the marcus. Because i did too because you know you you wanna be like them you want. You don't wanna be the guy that got slapped in the face you wanna be the guy that slaps the face i. It's the anti establishment which i think we all in this and especially frank ferrante by the way he's on the phone you love it because you play it. That is what it's the it is. It's the little guy that's actually nine of the opera. If you at all if anyone in their live need you wanna movie to watch watch that one does see how literally the marx brothers worked together to up heave cultural society. That's the day you wanna dad's the one i mean and it has. It has the best. How do you sleep with was big buttons on your germs phenomenal. I love the marx brothers was nothing like groucho. No grounds are when i was a kid. They will always on the late shows. So in the late sixties early seventies late shows but i remember watching groucho when he was on the merv griffin. Show the mike. Douglas show the cabin always always watch. What would when he was on the show. I literally greatest story. Because i when i met did cabinet for the first one just a touch. The man who literally was like groucho friend. Yeah that it wasn't just a host of carson was his friend to and everything. But i can't really cars because then i have to start digging but cavins alive and i can talk the cabinet and be like holy shit. You literally were in the the you're near. You touched greatness. You were you talk to them. You had full conversation hourlong. Long conversations on the air but countless hours off the air with groucho. And it's i meeting by shrapnel. I had shrapnel. You mean the guy is is genius. He's electric they'll golic dot comes around one hundreds of years so you get it i you guys in the studio get it. I mean it's just like this. It holds up today eight. He fills current. You know i listen to him. I've been i've been doing. This is one of many roles by favorite role. Yes and i listened. I listened to him on. You bet your life that quiz show. He did on radio. You might as well be be today. His mind is so fluid. he's so sharp. he's a killer stuff he got away with on this show that they would do a double entendre when he select a ton of them by the way for all the kids sitting at home. Who have no clue who the hell we're talking about number one number two. If you don't know who we're talking about. Google you bet your life and watch him talk with jack. Benny wad you. Talk with phyllis diller. Who was when ernie kovacs in him shared a stage together. I it's it's insanity. He had the You remember remember the singing group to silva's yeah they will on The mother and father was on the show and they had two silvers a story about groucho when you went over his house. If you couldn't seeing homey he'd never invite you guys know groucho to go over there and you have to sing. You know he loves. Frank is frank is friends with family frank. Literally now through the seven. Degrees of kevin bacon use. Since i know franken frank knows you know arthur marks he this man right here frank ferrante. Who's on the phone right now. Who by the way. He's in groucho. It's playing through. April seven in austin texas at the blue starlight drive ins. Never have you please look it up. Gives them showtimes getting the car. Bring down there and see this one applause plugs. Aside for a second. I have to give credit where credit is due. This man literally had the balls we would say that testicular fortitude to go out there when he created a play when he was at usc he created this guy right here on the phone creates a play all about groucho. The whole nine yards right has the balls to invite the marks family. Yeah to doing roddy. Roddey is got to be the ultimate compliment obsolete. I don't know. I i do have my balls or gigantic. And they're huge magic. I'm gonna. I'm twenty two years old in school and i'm gonna play the funniest man in the world arguably in front of the son of the funniest man in the world and the daughter of the funniest man in the world and more risk and who wrote co wrote a ninety the opera and animal crackers wrote the screenplay for coconuts so there in the audience that other than that right or more risk was eighty nine. And so i like. I wanted to puke nervous but i did it and it killed it was sold out and and changed my life but you know i'm always jumping off clips so within a year. I was in new york playing groucho. Life in arthur marx's groucho marx as son. He's the guy we're talking on the audience. And he wrote a show called groucho life in review and it had been tooling around the country with gabe kaplan. And i'd i'd seen it when i was in college. I thought i i can do this. So you know. I put on this one on college and then invited arthur. Arthur shows up. Hires me to play. You know pires made a play groucho his show so here. I am being directed by arthur marks in a show that he wrote about his dad. Who's this legend now. My favorite book. In when i was a boy was son of groucho. I was nine ten eleven when i was reading this book and and And now i'm being now. I'm being like directed by him and his play. It's great that it was it was. It was so bizarre it seems. Will you know. I willed it. You may say. I hate the word manifest but it just was meant to be and i had this so i played it in new york. I've played in. London played on pbs. And i still do this. One man show at is you know all over the world and it's and it's led to i really you know you love groucho. You see what how he's magical. He's a genius. He's one of a kind because him. I direct i edit plays. I do other roles. That's because that's what a great genius. Great artists can do you can spires and so he inspired me. And and that's where all camera. But arthur became best friends and mariam. And i you know the strange thing strange to talk about. I ended up like you know. I ended up taking care of them in a way at the end of their lives and It was it was crazy. How close it was. I remember being at arthur groucho. Son's house arthur marks and we'd sit there in in bell and i'm not i'm not i i don't come from money. I make stage bucks. You know on tv guy. I'm not a movie guy. Every dollar is hard is pretty hard earned. And but i sit there and belair arthur marx's backyard and he had a great career as a writer and i would. I don't smoke a lot. But i like smoking cigars and so on occasion so smoking a cigar and i put the cigar. We're going to go back in and we're watching the sunset and at arthur's worth forty years apart and anyway we i go into the house. I leave the cigar upside goes. Frank what are you doing. So what do you mean so you can bring the cigar not bring. The cigar reminds me of my father. See nasa goosebumps that. I'm sorry to sound cheesy. That to me is amazing. So yeah for me too. Because he had this kind of on and on and off relationship was daddy loved. But you know like a lot of a lot of relationships with parents. It was fraud. You know. I don't know i was very i. Listen i've been very lucky. I had this great connection. And i feel it's a very much a spiritual connection. I'm walking around my home right now. And i'm looking at photos of groucho and arthur and miriam and arthur's had grou- joe's had groucho books and mary. It's just they're all around me. Frank was that your howard when you did the right. 'cause you here's here's how actually happened. That we can rewind time for a second term run for a second. The when i first saw frank it was it was during the the The right before the pandemic and you were doing a lot of places were already shut down and you did a livestream from your house. Was that your house. First gorgeous house second off the main and a piano. that's all and he was in the groucho. The pretty much the whole show like the musical. Yeah like a forty five minute version of a ninety minute show but i kinda just did like just told stories and some groucho and kind of gave a tour of my my living room but you know share i like i'm you know i'm kinda collector. I love memorabilia. i love comedy memorabilia and You know i love. I love all that stuff. But so yeah when the pandemic kicked in know little over a year ago I think i did that. Show around march third week of march. You know what. I'm not working. All my work has been canceled. I haven't worked for a year and a half eddie. It's starting to starting to starting to kick up again now. You know things starting opening up some getting offers. But but i figured you know what and i did charge anything i just want i love performing and people are really scared right now. Like i said march you know. You're so i'm going to do what i do. I'm gonna do my show and talk to people and sing songs. Tell some jokes and connect with my. You know people have support any friends you know audience members and you know i. I've been doing it since i i'm i can. I'm fifty seven now. I've been doing it for thirty five years. And i've been traveling my whole life. You know so. I meet all these great people. Young people old people people from all over the country from canada from us. I do australia from europe. And you get them. You get to know people and i that is really a benefit to being a traveling performer. And there's not a lot of us who who do that. So i'm kind of freak that way which is like an like about billion like groucho billion being a traveling performer. Well that's why the difference was by the way you can also google the gabe kaplan one. You can actually watch. It doesn't frank. does it. So much better than game kaplan. I don't mean this mean to speak ill of but like gabe kaplan in his own spin. I thought that was good. And then i see i would. And i'm like holy crap. It's like grouches on the screen. I'm not gonna know as performance harper me to criticize other ones out. I felt i felt. I could but i felt i felt i could do it. And so that show was rewritten. Kaplan show what you write was one of those first. Hbo kind of shows back in like nineteen eighty. One and i saw it and thought you know. I respect gave kaplan but You know he's a he's a standup and he's he's experienced accessible guy but i figured you know what i think i can capture this too. And that's all that would never. I said but listen for kaplan and arthur marks with that show. I never would have got you know. Had the opportunity who played she go. And and and the kaplan's remind the campbell happens in a guy name I think it was michael. Tucci did the phil did. Did it in the hbo thing. But the guy also did it. Robert hedges him you play who played epstein welcome back kotter mitt mistake i got a note that was lowest squamous mother. Yeah it's the epsteins. Mother robert had just for my money was the best gieco and so but when they filmed it was michael tucci and i saw that i saw on stage before the shot at and you know the best thing that gave did was the old man and he played old groucho and i thought that was very moving. And so i imagine i'm new york off broadway and i'm twenty three years old buddy and i'm playing eighty five year old groucho and it was it was surreal because i i met groucho when i was thirteen and and literally ten years to that week. I'm playing him in new york. As as eighty five year old man meet eighty five year old groucho ten years. Later i'm playing eighty five year old. Who was you know who does a really good old groucho gilbert gilbert dot. you'll mcgovern creepy good. He doesn't he doesn't like he's doing he's like he's doing it like he's cavite creepy. Good yeah not now now as it goes but it's brutally mean that kinda love it too because he is a we had something called comfy the coffee in the cup. But you know it's great what he does. He's really it's because we all gilbert loves adores groucho. All of us you know. He's older than i am. But any any of us who saw groucho in the seventies toward the end of his life. We're like pain because you know groucho wasn't quite the same guy that we you know you know from duck soup or you live here and the but he still funny as hell. I one of the i. When i saw groucho my dad took me to see. My dad was very cool. And so is my mom in terms of like indulging my passion and so my dad and my groucho is appearing at a hotel. The ambassador telling los angeles and i said that i got to see him so my dad took the data. Work takes redundancy groucho. Who's promoting a book and groucho is almost ed. Just short of eighty six. He's like stroke ridden. He's a mess right and he could barely move but once it got to that podium and you know i followed them to the podium. I ca- duckling and you know. I have a photo of me with groucho from this particular event. But someone asked groucho are you. Are you making any new marx brothers movies and he takes us long pause and it goes. Oh hey my answering stupid question. The thousands thousand people go nuts. Go crazy because he's so route. Some woman goes groucho. What are you dream about. And he goes not you dan. This guy's like he never. He looked like he was so quick. I hope to be as quick as around. You is around the time. Was that chick. Evan fleming with him. When you saw a happy i was gonna say how did you want to punch her in. The face wanted to fucking kill her. You know. I wasn't a fan as a as a fan of his. I was not a fan of hers. you know. of course then about comes down fucking cavers. Groucho groucho man. Well well the the most humiliating thing she did well. She did a lot of things. I think drug them you know. It's a mixed bag. But mostly i thought and he in some ways his career benefited but as a human. He was kind of undermined. You know she you know she hate the go into the dukedom telling ricky watches kind of like mini documentary about it preparing. Because i knew. I knew of her. I didn't know all the shit that she did. The groucho and due to the fact that i love ground grandeur pissed me off when i'm watching this thing and i want to and you know how she got caught though. Do you know how the best just is the most beautiful poetic justice ever. So she hires is right. She hires because now the family's looking because they're trying to you know get like groucho and make sure everything's okay got to set up a little bit part of the family. The family is really suspicious of this younger woman by like fifty years. Who's taken over groucho. Marx crouches eighty-five this woman's in her thirties. And she's taking over his life as manager she's as compan- and getting them. Gigs getting special. Adamy award to get them out in the public but she is like but he's the golden goose right. He's the goose that lays the golden eggs right for. That's what's going on. Abc's waiting gonna die so brash at it. That's exactly what the hell's abbott. So what happens. Is she hires. Because to kind of oppose the marks family. She hires and what happens is the is across the street from the mark's residents find a bag full of pill bottles syringes all the shah in a storm drain literally across the street from the house. Not even ten feet from the front door fis thing they pick it up they bring it to her and aaron goes Just throwing it out. Whatever they leave. They did the due diligence and went to the cops. The cops thing tested all this stuff and found the barbituates and everything else that she was drugging groucho with. And that's how she pretty much lost the case when because the family it took it took corporate conservative. Meant to get she was. She wasn't even that fucking smart to get rid of like throwing down the fucking drain. You literally left to right there. So people did and she was meant to get cold. Just paula jones. Yes just poetic over so in that diabolically disgusting to shit on a man who wrote so much love and happiness. The people and this is how you get caught. You dumb bitch. Sorry but i. I'm on your side eddie. And some people defender. I won't. I won't to me she. She humility humiliated him. There's a store in. And he. I mean argued that like i say the funniest around the world and you said it. You can't even if you lined up all the last guy conjured over seventy two year career. No one comes close. And he's edgy. Like you kind of like you want you. We all try to be zula. You're trying to be edgy. We all wanna be like think. We're so ahead of the game. That guy truly was he is a thing and there's no denying so when she's putting down the king he's the king the king of he does you know and so he There was no no no riggings. You're he paved the way for a lot of people. I was carson and a lot of the other people that came after him literally adopted his style. You think anyone's different today like the chapell of the world people don't know you know anyone who takes a chance and new challenges. You know what's going on. I mean they're all they're all ever knows death and the game. The game are the ones the ones that defy the normal conception the anti-establishment have frigging that man to think even everybody. Every comedian came even lenny. Bruce when you think about labor's came. After two i mean we got regular going basically say that i didn't ever think he got his full fanfare when he passed away. He passed away like three or four days. After elvis so elvis is elvis but groucho didn't get those that that press that he should have got when he passed. Because elvis was all over the accolades. Yeah love workers was forty. Two years old and graduates eighty six. And and elvis is elvis. You're right about that. I wrote a letter. I was fourteen when groucho tied. And i wrote a letter and time magazine gave him one paragraph a bitch obituary. I wrote a letter to time. Came onto a fourteen year old. Frank said i was so pissed off about it. What you're right about that book. Elvis died on the shitter okay. Let's not forget that a second. Elvis was pitchy words that were in his system. He took the ones that were in flagging in groucho system. He never took willingly. He was just you know he was thinking about it when he died. He didn't get the fan the accolades or anything. He deserved an like. We were just talking about before that you can buy the knows the glasses the frigging mustache. It's it's an iconic symbol. Because the i smoke cigars because i was because of groucho marx. Like that it's crazy. Just the rally again a smoke a cigar together. Some in new york right. Yeah well. I'll be out there again. We'll definitely i will. Definitely i will hold your. I will hold onto your shoulder and smokes and pretend smoke ring groucho marx guard cutter with with the guys sweet. Jesus i'm a i'm a. I'm a black dude who loved groucho marx. Any and the milton berle those guys because they taught they taught me time exactly and how to deliver a joke. You know what you're so right. I agree with you me too. I mean i do outside of groucho. Luckily it's a lot. I learned from jack. Benny berle groucho marx end. They learned it from guys them so it tastes real man face expressions and everything you get just watching them. React to something. They didn't have to say a word. But just reaction to. It was hilarious the shakespearean aside where they would look to crown and you hang rookie from now on your now black. Oh marks. luckily you're doing the black flag omar me that that makes me diego. Mark lurks wacko marks. I'll be. I'll be wop mickey. I look more irish. Micky micky marks. That's all that needs to brothers calling going to let them call you black. Who please put the guns down in terms of endearment all right so the day was it because you were coming on living or dead. What celebrity would you wanna party with. One night bring standing drugs. Dinner dirty stuff doesn't matter whatever the night brings. What is your answer frank. Ferrante day. I think possibly groucho where he takes us. So what celebrity. Would you wanna party with well. You know it wouldn't be grouchy because he was pretty temperate. I'm not so temperate in my behavior. Damn i'm more of a you know what i mean. He wasn't a party guy. You know it'd be fun to hang with. I think i i'm gonna i'm gonna reach back for this. I like a good. And i like a good reach around. It would be west. Weren't you some you get so. She was a beast. He was sexually free genius. She was a business person. And i think she'd i my regret as i never got. You know because she died in her late eighties. And i was still a kid. I would love to kind of. She was a pioneer and kind of just just just broke down. Those doors for everyone shikli women who was gene hollow. They were all but no could no one. She was quick and no one can tell like man. Don't you giving remarks on the breath and you get some to. She didn't care is he gonna tell you and that night in well you know what i'm saying. Yeah don't you come up and see me something and all right. I have to end this firm. Here's the thing. I i would not doing myself. Justice as a groucho marx fan. If i you please just to do a little bit of groucho on your way out if possible. What do you want. I'll joe you what. We heard lydia. 'cause we just didn't live here. We just played that before you came on so how about a hello. I must be going. Hello i must be going. I can opt came to say i must be away. I'm glad i game justice. Aim i speak our ally. You bet your life just reminded groucho. Talk one martini. Only one and that may west. It was definitely a dirty one. Frank grant plays through april seventh in austin texas at the blue starlight driving and is in the process right now finding a broadcast and streaming deal. Frank do me a favor look up. As y tv dot com they have my not only my show new york ham. But i have a tv show. It was well new york ham however also they air old movies and old tv shows on aside tv. I'm thinking that groucho would be a great fit for aside tv. I'm saying you tell me you up. We'll we'll we'll talk it over when we smoke. Cigars together with groucho is cutter. Got it all right for day. Ever read another kids but a real three. Absolutely thank you. Bye-bye he gave me a little zinger fucking nice fellow at yeah ham radio show. We gotta take a break. We're especially because bill not here. I'm running weird times timing. He hates okay. We'll take a break. We'll come back. It's the ham radio. Show right back after these old hit the button. Have you got any email chicken. Yes i wanna bring me show. Eighty publications has probably been serving dope nightclub industry for over twenty years with news and resources for the strip clubs and exotic dancers any other dot com to find out more about their yearly eating expo convention awards magazine subscription and advertising offers. 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Eight five seven seven thousand hundred eighty nine. It is the ham radio. Show all right. Thank you by the way to free for ron. Being on the show finally getting that done he was a very important thing for me anyway and even his thing even if no one like the interview i mean everyone did the saying if no one did i don't care. That was something personal for myself. What less than my check. It was a show sometime. You gotta do things for yourself you nick. By the way in the face live sweeties. Checking out the laughing and saying homedepot. Hey you wanna see bunny on nails go to hell for me blasting last may and they're going to call you. Edward edward woodhead. Would nick call the show. Because i want to bring up something with nick now. Anyway it'd be great if nick and actually call the show all the way from canada. Canada fly in worked on easter. He'll be stuck at work. I don't know if he's stuck at wearing now. Anyway from our canadian unified network technician. I don't know if he's going to be able to call. We'll see what happens anyway. One of the things so two things one. I got the the metoo the joke. He's saying. I know. I know they the first on the bunny ranch literally. Was that the first time the second trying to remember now the version. I got the first time the second time because the first time was timing issue and everything in the plane was a little fucked up and everything not not the point. Second one again. Dennis calls me and goes all the hotel. What are you talking about. He goes get down near come earlier on the first night. And we'll we'll we'll figure it out and bubba. I go okay literally. He went bar having now the bunny ranch. That's one building. Yeah okay the other buildings were all the sagebrush. The love ranch. The there was a strip club building a restaurant ton whole brothel then katy cat ranch the whole thing over the place. Just nick nick. Ooh part of this show. I would tell you not to talk but you don't talk anyway as a matter of you're just stay on the side for a second. Let me from time to time. I'll just make sure you're awake so now so don't the bunny ranch i get to the other. Ranches has fucking lamar who had hoped by the way. It's knocked down and then celebrity boxing. Hopefully we're going to be having tomorrow. So i can tell them off on the fucking air neither here nor there. We'll get to that because that's gonna trust me. And i don't think ricky believes i will tell them are rough. I fucking will say no. I'm just saying. I don't think he believes we're i out of my anger because this story will prove that dennis off was a friend of mine and i don't want him when talking. Ill will with my fucking friends now. That's neither here nor there. So i get there now. You got imagine it's like a. I'll cul de sac of count. Okay match what. This thing is is like the kit kat. The sagebrush strip club all the fucking wenches role next to each other. Now i get there i get. I'm there maybe three minutes. This chick takes me. And she's a fucking. How porn star. And i can't remember her name. She was an old school porn star. S housing historic. Because you have to. You know who the he is but anyway we see he tells her. I've been there three minutes. He does go take on deal. Take him on a tour so we on a door. Now we're in a room. She the fake tits. I've ever seen in my life. These things are like basketballs nipples. Okay they don't move there so literally in maybe four minutes in murray suck in these things because she tells me he's okay. Yeah so. I'm sucking her nipples. She i get the freebies. Because dennis was my guy so he goes area so we go into showers. She showers me. She gives you. We talked about it on the air before we call the reverse happy ending. We call it the once upon a time. Because i got massage. I got fucked first and then i'm going to massage. I'm there boom. That's one conquest down moving onto to the second one. That's where i meet alice little. Who's been on the show where i say. Fuck the midget. Because she's only four foot ten. Fuck that is she. She's not a midget into the jimmy. Dean sausage fingers in the wide stance and the big ass. But she's small so literally but she's gorgeous. So i ended up. I walk the getting. She sees me. She knows me from facebook. This third whatever blah blah blah. I literally just came five minutes ago. I'm now being taken into another room. I have sex when i was little so now on this painting that you have to imagine. I'm not ricky dicky. No we swing and women were just like i wasn't this is not normal for me. Aren't able bodied. Like this is not normal for me so now we are boom boom dave right after that. I'm saying maybe ten minutes later. Another chick dalia takes me. I s x all. I want in this and that is why rigi we need to go back to the ranch is that is the sole reason you could. You could die from that you will die from it because the advantage of being a good with the let me tell you why that for that one of the many reasons why lamar rotem can suck my ass. Neither here nor there now jackley after that. I had some leakage. Now nick is on the phone. kennedy can connecticut. This where you're from kanana. none. I canadian unified network technician aka count on the phone because home of the grassy at home on the moose in the grassy. We literally were sitting there talking over the weekend. Me and the bigger seems to be a fucking issue. Now we for many people know this. We're now on iheart media. We're on nick. What are we on the name all the things that were either. I tunes dot com. Well very important. yes launching. Well we were just nick. He's fucking having sex in the mouth all right so neither here nor there we have. We have all these fucking things. Everyone told me. Oh you gotta go you gotta fucking diversify and send a show out. We do all that now. So we're on all these things spotify. Seems a hell of a fucking issue with the ham radio. Show okay because from time to time when we do the end of the outside the songs you're never gonna even the andro. The show has fucking problem with because now they are checking out the the songs songs are fucking these you on the program. The only problem is now if we put something on spotify. Nick has to do all this editing. And i don't pay nick. Nick doesn't add the kindness of his heart and meanwhile he was in america. We'd be paying them up for the amount of work that nick does more than he second to me. Nick does more work. It's only me and him really doing backstage shit program and he does it well and i bought a him with the ham radio. Show dot com. I've told him numerous times if he was in the states which supposedly he might be coming to america. Joe that'd be great so we'll do coming to america three starring country. We we have the him laid over. He sorry we have neither here nor there. Spotify seems now my question to you guys. Because i to bring in front of you guys on the board. He's i said fuck spotify is. We're on all these other things i was doing. I'm like we're not going to see here in do tons of editing. Just so somebody. Getting on the frank ferrante. They interview is something. I want people to hear. Do not get me wrong. However i don't wanna fucking bow to spotify. Who doesn't seem to understand the fair use. Act that we've discussed numerous times in this show to wherever i'm talking over shit. Yeah if i'm talking over shared or playing a sound of active. I play fucking dogs barking over the fucking thing. That's changing the this changing the actual song so i'm not playing. I'm not going. Hey here's billy joel with pressure right here on the hammer. I'm doing that. We're not just playing music for the sega music. It's just the ins and outs of the program. So they're worried about royalties and they're worried about all this stuff. And we don't have the rights. I meanwhile when you go on facebook and the show plays sometimes we get. The camera turned off because of the royalty rights in nature. And then after all that they write me a letter. I explain the fair use act to them and no matter what it is it could be time warner it can be fucking the name another fucking company that does music. Bmi all they all turn they turn around and go. he's right. yeah every time. Well you know what every fucking time allegories. They haven't the software that does what is it. Algorithm joseph algorithm good job. Good job good job. Joe spoke about a human being behind the whole show. It's a computer. Which is what. Nick was saying to me. It's the it's the artificial intelligence picking up on what happens. Here's here's the thing is you don't have any hold on. Nick is actually talking on front of me. That i got and i don't even know how they how the hell they got my personal email address. 'cause the ara does not personally motorist. So what did they send you as we received a complaint from universal music group that the following content in in in bridges their intellectual property rights worldwide invasion. The episode has been taken down. The problem is the episode Taken down and the hammer you. Rss feed before slot by even sent me this email and so they're not even on the up and up of what they're doing fuck them that that law that see that to me is initiative. Even tell me what the they which thought which one they have a problem with with me. Russell music group. And why are they picking thousand seventeen episode because the algorithm. Thank you joe. The algorithm hand they have. It'd picked up on something. That was played from universal. That was on the program which i understand where they're coming from. I get it. They want their money. The only problem is you're not going to get any money because it's different. If i'm playing if i start a musical show and i just play like literally if i just sat here and went. Hey let's play that new lady gaga bubble. And i stopped playing and then come back from regular paul ryan seacrest and just spin records and whatnot. That yes. I am fucking with their money. I understand that you pay. There's a thing called. ask cap guys. write this down. If you're trying alone radio this thing to ask happen you gotta pay motherfuckers us their shit. I get all that but now when you're doing it and you're only playing like of seconds of it you're talking over it. This that's called the fair use accurate using it as a kind of bridge to explain things to talk over. You're selling you're selling your show. You're not selling a product not trying to associate whatever so that's the fair use it so that's another reason when i'm seeing is fuck spotify because i don't need spotify. I open foremost. I liked it better when everyone was just going to ham radio show dot com and listening to the show on uninterrupted and was enjoying the program. So that's just me but everybody in mother especially we. We have people that know her. Go out there. i'm not saying. Take everything now. When i'm saying is it became a fucking headache. Ios ain't then it became a headache them. Nick poor nick in canada trudging through the snow. Fucking a moose. Yeah putting maple syrup nipples. Had to stop what he was doing. I had a cold candidate the other day from a parking lot when i was out trying to get something for my beautiful girlfriend. Amanda and i'm out on the night before. So i'm talking i'm talking to moose fucker over. I have to call canada to literally because the texting wasn't getting aiming doug we couldn't under he speaks canadian accent so we're trying to have this conversation and we're trying to have this conversation and we're trying to figure out what the best course of action to me even though it is an executive decision by myself. I'm going ask you guys. I say fuck spotify. If everyone else is playing our shit and i understand what nick is going to say well later this might happen on something else fine. But we'll cross that bridge when we get there. My whole thing is i say fuck spotify. I turned the rick. And i say rick. What's your vote. Fuck spotify feel welcome. All right fuck them. That's too fucking. Joe fucking both of them of fan nick. Here's a new thing hashtag. We don't get out of fai. We don't kiss. Nobody's as i'm guessing that exactly right. This is what i'm talking about when you're in the game now we're making the rules. We're changing the game yet. Again would groucho marx. We'll show here's the thing. Joe groucho marx. Sit there and just take up the ass. You take a key stor. Oh nice easter fucking no one. He'd sit there and tell them off in a beautiful way so hashtag suck at spotify summit. Spotify i don't need you. I don't want you know what i mean because i i. I've been foremost. I'm a pen. Dora guy biggest. God bless pandora part of the series fan family. so i'm more spot As what if i could suck a dick paying much better much. Better product clearer audio. I mean i'm gonna run spot. If i have joe rogan mistake. Joe rogan's you come over to series. Xm and pandora but neither here. Nor there i still say has to suck at spotify. I don't need you. I need you. I don't want you go suck a bank. Are they. Do they do they. Do give free hulu. has you have like myself. We all have in announce it if you go on you have sprint as your provider or whatever and fung and his team get hulu. Don't worry about suck at spotify. He kissed by harry balzac now. Nick are you going to be in america in june. Not sure yet. All right we'll get this pandemic the open the boyer after probably jump over the board. It's fucking canada. You can look mccraw across what the fuck is. What border is in canada and mexico. Galicia don't end up in detroit. I gotta go. I gotta go and cut library. Half of its in. The candidate is going to end up as one of those kids in cages. Go on the hammer. He of show. I actually wanted to go to canada. Say we wanna go back. We usually go to canada and then smuggle nick outback to america. The put him in the trunk. Your the bottle of fucking molson and he'll be fine. Can you from the then. Toronto biggest city the biggest city. You can't get more fucking american in toronto montreal. But i want to toronto montreal quebec canada. I was going to go up to during the vietnam war to hide. But i didn't have well. Just pretend like you're doing now and drive up there and go get nick dance. Because here's this season. Two of new york ham is going to start filming. I don't have the exact date yet. But we're going to start filming season two in june and also in september. Because we're gonna do kind of back to back filming going to be season to season three. I don't know what we're doing. I know we start filming. I'd like to have you on an episode. I want to incorporate all the guys. So i want i want rig there want even want joe jonas wanna fucking fucking but i wanna have everybody anybody that wants to be on my show. Don't wanna come yet. Never say you. Don't wanna i don't wanna go. That's tells his wife. I don't wanna come whole high. Try to hold back all right. So here's an anybody. I don't know when the date i'll give the dane out here on the show shocked when we tell you i will for nick. Who's in another country for crazy. But i want anyone is associated with the hammer. Your show even my fucking my villains my enemies. I want you to show up. I don't care who you are. Show up for the taping. I have no clue where we're going what we're doing. We'll give you all the details in june. I wanna see nick in this country. And i want to be on an episode of new york ham or in september. Either one. Open your calendars now as you do. A new york. Knick he wants to see us. I think especially family is something. He's got no family us from toronto their own toronto. They're all going to mourn. Rob ford okay. All right speaking about away so fuck. I don't even know if i have time for this. So here's a day. I'm gonna make this really quick because it seems like caused another problem on twitter and facebook and all around like trump. i'm just making a public service announcement and then we're going to go to break. Let me point out if you're to get the vaccination stop fucking taking inches yourself. What your goddamn card promoting. I got it cooking. No one gives a fuck. No one gives a fuck that you got vaccinated. Let me tell you why it's not true. Well let me let me tell you why. Let me tell you why minute book. No one care if you're doing you're doing. The people that are taking their pagers are not doing it for loftier goals. Maybe a select few. That are better going like well. If i can do it you can do it. I get that but most of them are just a tension seeking horse trying to point out the day vaccinated. Look at me. I don't you're supposed to get vaccinated. I said it's like taking a selfie with your morning. Shit you're supposed to take a fucking chip okay. So what's the exact same thing you might as well just pose. What your toilet and go. Hey look at this. And that's exactly what it is. I didn't. I took a a people other a restaurant owners that those people that they're looking no but those those people have first responders to a certain extent those are essential workers. These be if they're getting different. If you're sitting there just taking a picture of you getting your fucking vaccine card and you're doing it. You're in your car dry with your with your fucking starbucks coffee in your hand and please now you just showing off. You're not doing it. No one's going to look at your pitcher and go. Wow that totally. Oh so and so got their fucking vaccination totally okay with this everybody a button this way you could bootleg aware you don't have to get the maxine shot joe. Nick could work. Thank you for all your help as always thank you. Please go back to being canadian and to please. If you could be so kind as get your ass here in june all right sir. Well we're going to get you laid amoroso going to made sure that you Appear on an episode of new york. Ham okay. i don't be so excited trying to calm the fuck down mrs excitement. Yeah get back on the airplane. I talk to you later. I say fly away young man. He's on a plane. Read the airport breaking you were saying about a fin with this show almost nonsense day one. But he's been there when we when we started. This thing is when we started at. Nick started being a fan although he isn't juggling before that he was. Winz was cockroach. have you remember. Remember we we. We have tree tons of people. Floating around trays cog roads. We had a wack pack before we even knew we had whack plan but all whack at least fucking helpful brain dead bonneville called. You're not brain that she's massive head wounds shots not she's massive head like we had hers lower price list only blessed. We love the wall. That's what i have to go to break but before we go to break. Yes i want you to know this tons. Oh shut the fuck do suck my dick and cut out. Who knows okay. Hold on georgia's homa permitted any for you joe to cut out the hammers yoga and take a break when we come back. 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Not go into the w. t. f. news how her talking intimate aminals dad's were on. Hey thank you say no. We'll give you your money right after the wgn news. Come not live from the w. t. f. Newsroom it's what the fuck action views knowing. I could go law. Fucking thing sucks because we came the w. t. of news is brought to you by dr fox. Spotify has said suck spotify suck. Dick what the hell not go. Fuck yourself going to show him. I don't give you can't tell me that spotify is right in that whole argument. They're not right because they're not losing any fucking money. No one's coming after them and going. Hey where are universally want to sue you. They're not talking about that. I think it's about that they don't wanna get in trouble anyone. They're not getting in trouble non-human request. I think it might be speaking of non humans. Let's go the first story. Why the hell not people had to do whatever everybody. Let's just breathe in. Wd of new talk show meaty version before we do this story. I wanna point out one thing. You need to go to the tote board and we need to see. How many governor cuomo's sexual conquests now coming out of the world war. Let's go to bore people war nine. The i thought was up to ten or up to ten or any. I missed one thing someone who said he grabbed her by the great well. The ninth woman has his face cheeks. Not this harry. Let me tell the story the ninth woman. Come forward or accused. Embattled new york governor andrew cuomo of sexual misconduct the fifty five year old sherry ville of greece. New york cuomo visited her house in thousand seventeen to survey damage from a devastating flood while inside of her home. She says job. Gloria allred was involved in this already. Like you pointed that is always end. Oh absolutely wow inside her house. She said he grabbed her face and kissed. Her cheeks then explained quote. That's what italians do kiss both cheeks and we do see even has a photo to prove it. Now why kobe's gonna fucking wall well zeevi. Here's my thing. That's exactly what i'm talking about. It is without question. What italians do they do. The wii and he's one of those fucking. I'm real look at me. I'm like one of those guys are ms ville. Says she knew that. The governor had dirty thoughts on his mind when he said when he said i'll quote i can. I can see that there is bad flood damage in your home but some things getting better when they get a wet as. He licked his lips. I just made that last part. I guess what you wouldn't fuck it. Not well you're right because what everyone thinks that he fucking did it anyway. Oh god i say he's fucking dunzo. That's just me but you're going after this guy over the nursing homes that i understand i die but this is bullshit is so trivial and i. I agree with wanders point eight leaving. Yeah and it's all assumption. Also one no one wants to make a deal because we're not saying even when they talk about it there's nothing solid sumptious except his cock already in the red suit. Oh boy we're going to get some of course she's always doing. He had thoughts on his mind. How the fuck mind reading does everybody's in public pitches that money grubbing nasa public pitcher. Tell the story showcasing s grab or you be going down to scratch it. Dick and they say he was grabbing his day. All kind of hurricane they see the pitcher with the hand over there like this. They can get the fuck out. We got to believe these women. I'm like listen. I i'm not saying he's ruining when not versions running. I say didn't happen shit like that but this is also but this is discrediting when it really is all of a sudden you're coming out with harvey weinstein me. Oh yeah yeah well. We don't know if he is. Hold on joe you. We don't know hey weren't his guy no you don't know why he jerked into a plant one day we don't know we don't august kennedy know. I'm i'm probably put money that he didn't shoot kennedy though. Not saying what bothers me is that you have all these women who coming out saying shit where a fuck with two three years ago all of a sudden everybody. That's it draws. Oh yay you know. Why don't you say something back because the parade didn't start until now on current and he gave me courage backing by day. There was a thing for political candidates. A kiss babies and all. I can lock you up. Yeah jones you kiss babies your tone and what about the politicians who are sitting there saying get out and all that shit you know you understand that you shouldn't be jumping to conclusions. Shit late fucking bogie. Though they want them out the has won it. They just the reason. That's we won't allow smoking crazy so you know what's better than the sex scandal to get them out all right. Most meeting of other scandals committee. Sharon osborne bag in the news. You got ten million dollars to leave the talk sharon osborne in fact leaving the talk with millions of dollars in her pocket for a source tells paid six. The former co host is quote walking away with five to ten million dollars minimum as a payout and was able to spin that to make the that was the reason that was the ability to have the decision to leave the show. another insider says it. Sharon is also free to talk when she is ready and sources and she wants to give her side of the story. She has been on the talk that show for eleven years and knows all their secrets. So now it's going to write the book the book normally when you leave that you get a you. Get a non disclosure and you can't fucking talk about anything for them not to sign a nondisclosure agreement or even a non compete clause any form of that while she's leaving she's gotta have some credibility on her side option for them to you know let her just go off into the wild blue yonder with ten million dollars and all the availability to go on any fuck and interview and tell her side of the story. She might water over to the view. Which is what the dog was based on anyway and go there and and give them the exclusive i think shows of course they really getting stupider stupid. They already worse. Stupider is the point of like enough already when viewed toll real. Yeah there ought to saint joe. They're interchangeable people. Yeah you know well. That's what works bit. Forty of them is the wall of the used to be weston zubay. Hi joe in. Hollywood is what they do. You know what else they do have some more. Wt of news talk soon. So meaty earnings this guy. This one is a weird story of filipino. Man experiencing sharp stabbing pains in his chest was shocked when he get a diagnosis from the doctor. And he had a condition known as having a four inch knife lodged in his fucking ribcage. Yep about although the thirty six year. Old kent ryan forgot about it was. I can't like that. He occasionally had some chest pains during cold. Weather never knew what caused it all right. He applied for job adding mine. We had to go a routine x ray chest x ray. That's when he was told that the knife was stalking his chest and was most certainly caused by his unusual chest pain. That's what was causing the knife in his ribcage was causing him to have chest pain the brokaw. He's had no idea where his body came for. An even though he gave remember being a victim of a stabbing attack earlier in the year his wife shannon cook motherfucking tomorrow says that he nearly died at the time but always assumed that the doctors had everything they needed to do. They need to do to save his life. He had no idea that doctors left the blade inside right next his long. Oh you should all right so like he out real hard hit a big fucking knife shoved in them despite that he says he has no intention of suing the doctor who treated him. I doubt lynn. I'd be the richest men in the philippines brother-in-law. Yeah yeah exactly. His brother never And doctor who treated him because he doesn't want to get him in trouble all he wanted only wants to have surgery to remove the knife so he can get the job in the mind. I mean look. I can relate to this story. I usually get stabbed in the back though. No so i understand where this guy is coming from. I understand it better than most. Because he got a knife for them doesn't make them show he's not a sharp guy not at all not a sharp guy at all freaking lutely correct. This is so mealy are the lady. Don't lady got a dog walker. Finally leaving the hospital. You know the guy did guys again jovan. Did you figure that all out by yourself. He goes guys gay to do that when he was walking. Dogs ryan businessman a mother and a house after being shot in a horrible dog nabbing earlier this year ryen had part of his lung removed. I guess everybody he was on the men now. Knees posted an emotional video getting himself ready to leave the hospital. Of course with they musical soundtrack by carly simon coming around again plays in the background. You're so so vain. You probably think this dog is about you. What about nobody does it. Show of no not that. I'm aware of ryan was shot in the chest in february before to lady gaga's dogs were so in. The pooches have been recovered unharmed. And god goals ryan a hero. I this is by the way. We're on the countdown to this guy gets bombarded with interviews. I want to ask who gets in. I who gets them. I like is it. Abc cbs fox nbc version. You're gonna say it'd be doing things like tonya harding. World's greatest fuck up shows bridges. This is why this is why you have no fucking career. He's going to do on. This is totally built for fucking people to watch fucking youtube and ownership when they're not watching that show live like gm a they're watching this shit it's gonna build. It gets his own show. Of course by the way how about taback connected to gmac. Did you see this So meaty he that michael. Stray hang. The gap in his spoken do know personality. Said that was his personnel. Exactly that's what he looks like now. Michael strean recognize him on the street right so he. I didn't want to watch the whole thing. So i'm not gonna watch the whole thing but this is michael strain their implant so no i don't know exactly what he fucking god knows a visit lonzo. No he had some because that's him in the chair with the gap and they're taking a mold. Yeah they probably put fake teeth he second visit. You got it all done lauren. Hutton and model lord ads specialty but she had a thing like sometimes she didn't want it was just a cap that you put on clothes out up. She became famous down. Look at david. Letterman christakis iconic. These are now this is now he looks like no offense like every other fucking die doesn't fill the decision i mean. Don't get me wrong. I usually like three hundred. plus pound. Muscular fucking is on the news however the having a gap he was his like kinda claim to fame. He was talking about thackeray. Put it that i did. I did feel putting time. I did if i do. I get i get it. I'm a pussy hats so meaty finally a free beer with your shot. That's good for lake in berl. I can't even pronounce it liking corrigo in chippewa falls wisconsin. Who do was giving away a free beer to anyone. Who shows up with their to their lodge would prove that they got vaccinated now. There's a difference that something i can get behind. If you're going to think a vaccination pitcher get booze totally okay with that because there's a rhyme to your reason now. It's not the first time. I we get a shot would appear chaser okay. The first one thousand eight hundred sixty seven people register online and show up to with to complete a vaccine card. We'll get a cold one. This beer and shots event was put together. Celery gain the vaccine out of the way and celebrating with a beer. That's going to kill wisconsin. They make them wisconsin. Yeah beer i would look. You won't have very good beards. Yeah but again wrong again. What happened is a wisconsin in milwaukee joe trying to find we know let joe trying to find it. It's even better when he grows really. I don't know. Joe that's my coups upgradable. But let's get a black johnny walkable academia bottom izzo. Exactly talking about well. I don't belong to a large. So what the fuck. Oh why you don't want to sit around with a group of men and talk about your problems being fucking drawn. Talking we're water. Seen koumba andrzej large they got for the brothers. Have laws fucking jail. That's the one they got freaky. You're wrong that's jail. They should jail why they get they get. We assure now we'd his legal. What's this going on this sweet misdemeanor smoke and not feel guilty. Because my mother's day you can grow up to four plants. Yeah so applets right yeah. Three three ounces of pot. You're allowed to have with no criminal don't they. I'll pass yet. The governor just signed it as he has it he wanted. He definitely was three hundred and sixty million more dollars taxes. He's gonna sign it. Yeah definitely the recreational marijuana going to be the sixty eight. There has recreational better off on states. I think home. Let's let's go to our actual resident all and she'll tell us yes alexa. How many states have legalized marijuana in the united states. Sorry i don't know that one mass. Hey hey hey abused. John about sexy does though the size of a wales penis ivan. Let's get no dick accent. What's the size of a man of wales I don't know that one doesn't know that. Joe she's this she's time it's like nine feet long thing asking this way alexa. What mammal has the world's biggest penis. Here's something i found on the internet. The world's largest mammal is the blue whale. Which can grow over thirty meters long thirty meters. Say nothing about the debt ninety feet. Yeah shoulder fucking elisa. How how big is the blue whales genitalia. Here's something i found on. Reference dot com blue. Whales weigh approximately two hundred pounds and can grow to a link between eighty two and one hundred five feet. They are the largest mammals to have ever lived on earth. Big dick whistles you see you. You lied yo. You just randomly ash ninety meters long now. She said the well was ninety. Nine is dick onto. She says you haven't you. You have a computer verney you ask. How big a wales dig is like you. Totally fucking in fucking line. Don't fucking light. You know you fucking. You're an annoying by daycares. And that ain't much any much by dick is getting smaller. I think used to be a lot bigger. Oh yeah you get older and he still question about would wait and you know you lose a little. That's very sure thin people have bigger the. Yeah yeah because there's nothing. Joe when life gets you down keeps you during a frown and the gravy train has left. You be online when your own off. Hope down at the end of your rope and nobody's there to throw you Nope if you ever get so low that you don't know which way to go come on and take a walk in much. You never worry about it. Being honest a the cure for all my I take i guard. Amount to york times goddess grandjean. My pants talk is shiny day. I go away sorry. I had to play enormous penis aim and talks about dick great. It's easy to dancer. 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Duck Soup

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Duck Soup

"This is really cool from Twentieth Century, Fox comes screen dive, the first ever podcast developed and produced by a major Hollywood studio screen dive reexamines some of our most beloved films through new interviews and behind the scenes insights with the artists who brought them to life. I mean, we're talking about conic films like the sandlot planet of the apes deadpool and the devil wears Prada. This is a really cool idea because basically Twentieth Century Fox owns the rights to these films and are getting together. Some of the biggest people behind them to talk about them for the first time. It's like a DVD commentary without having to buy the DVD or watch at the same time. So listen to screen dive on October thirtieth on apple podcasts, Stitcher YouTube or wherever else you like to listen to your podcast, that's screen dive, the nineteen thirty-three the world is on the brink of war. There's only one man who can bring everyone together. Groucho marx. God help us the moving. Ducts? Welcome to on spoiled. I am Paul Scheer Amy Nicholson is a way out of the country this week. This is the show where we watch the af is top one hundred films to see if they are still relevant still fun to watch and are necessary for our new film canon each week Amien, I go on and discuss these films, and you can see what we've watched on unschooled pod dot com. Definitely check us out there and follow us on our Twitter at unspoiled, and you can also follow along with everyone listening at our Facebook page, but let's get into last week's which was the African Queen. And there's been so many great comments about it. I wanna start off with one that's a little bit longer from our friend Cameron, h I know him from my how to get made message boards, but Karen rights while we don't know where aiming Paul land on the spiritual. I've noticed that when it comes to the presentation of Christianity in these films, particularly Christian metaphors, they tend to either miss them completely or make shallow generalizations. Paul talks about how the ending didn't fit or make sense because nothing up until that point suggested that they were going to survive, but literally the whole movie is full of little miracles. I mean surviving the Rapids the sun in the snipers. I the rain that gets into the lake torpedo their salvation. However, if you're not looking at it from a spiritual standpoint, it all seems like a series of lucky breaks that I guess kind of seem dumb, and trivial. I guess what I'm saying is if you exercise your Judeo Christian God from the narrative, the whole thing is a ton of meaning and I feel like the intended audience in nineteen fifty one was probably predominantly white and Christian because our society is more secular. I feel like a lot of the things might be lost on today's audience, and that might have been more, parent and readily accepted seventy years ago, it doesn't make it good or bad. But it just puts you in a different mindset. I thought that was actually a great point of view that isn't really interesting. I mean, you look at it all as like God is playing a part in all of the African Queen. I think if you're going that way. You could be a little bit more explicit with it. I don't think it has to be so hidden, you know, that God is just in everything, and we have to just accept that. Because then every movie is under that umbrella. And then I think that that lutes every movie, but that's actually really great idea because she is a missionary. So maybe got give you a break. This is interesting. A lot of people on the forums have been upset about film struck because film strip was a place where a lot of you found the films that we were watching here. I also film struck subscriber. And I am incredibly bombed that film stuck is going away. It was amazing there criterion collection there personally, curated movie selection. It was one of my favorite apps. I know it's been sucked away. But you know, what have hope people film struck will come back and will be better than ever. I think it's going to be just kind of merged into this giant WB monstrosity, then we're going to be paying fifty bucks a month because we need our who and our net flicks. And all this other bullshit. It so film struck will come back. I believe it will just will be part of another thing that will have to buy and maybe even pay more for which so another thing that a lot of people brought up last week. Was that long pig is actually a nickname for human meat sunau? I get it human meat is that they meant. Okay. Thank you. Learn something every day. All right people here ago. Oh johnson. Chelsea was upset with Amy because he felt that she implied that's immature to like rum. And you know, what I have to say in Amy's defense. If you've not had good room, you can really kind of miss the boat. My entire college. Life was spent having really bad room. Then I think in New Orleans, I found crack in Rome, and now, oh, this is delicious going to get Amy to try some of that crack and rump for an ex record. And she will tell you if she likes that room. I mean put that little coke in there. All Roman cokes. That's all for last movie African Queen. Now, let's get into this presentation. Amy. Let me set the stage for you. It's nineteen thirty three the average wage of an American worker is about one thousand five hundred fifty dollars a year. Adolf Hitler is now in Scots as the dictator of Germany. The stop was established Alcatraz becomes a federal penitentiary while post as the first man to fi solo around the world, the Loch Ness, monster is cited for the first time in modern history. Shirley temple signs a contract with FOX only five years old King Kong is in the theaters and the first ever driving opens. It's also the year that the Marx brothers comes out with duck soup ducks. It is the last movie that the Marx brothers make with paramount before they switch over to MGM. It is the story of Groucho Marx being installed as the leader of tissues country called for Dona, his brother's Harpo and Chico being spies for rival country of Sylvania, and basically just hijinks ensue plot from that point is like at another crazy shit happening. And chaos is that an okay fair summary. Yeah. You know, it's one of those movies that is a pure comedy, the are just scenes, and they don't feel like there's a lot of weight on this movie. I think that's kind of the ding on this movie when it actually comes out theaters people. There's nothing here. There's nothing to grab onto where's the romance. And you know, whereas the song and dance numbers, and in my opinion. That's why it's one of my favorite Marx brothers films. Because it's it's so lean. It's only sixty eight minutes, the shortest of all the Marx brothers films, and it's just rapid fire on jokes. I mean, I pulled this one scene right here at the top right one. Groucho Marx comes into for Dona and step. The reception. I went with her now. Stay open. I onto point because all the most able statesmen and off they don't. Yeah. That covers a lot of ground say you come a lot of ground yourself. You better beat it. I. Office building where you're standing you're gonna even attacks became get attached to you. He can't get attacked to you can leave. That's someone you can even a minute now. You know, you stop talking since I came here. You must have been vaccinated with the pornographic Natal. I mean, the rapid fire nature of jokes in it. So quickly. It still makes me laugh. Well, this jokes like their own strained construction. They're kind of held together like with magnets. It's like here's a line it snaps into this one. And that one snaps into that one by the end of the joke. Nothing at the last part of the line nothing at the punchline has anything to do with the joke has it has it started. Yeah. It's so kind of perfectly constructed like a math problem because every response has to give you another setup for like three more jokes, and is the type of comedy that could not really have existed before this era. This is not our first black and white comedy. We had the general that was a silent film Chaplin's coming up those are going to be silent films. This is a comedy that could only exist when people are allowed to talk loud to make puns when people confuse words for each other. So this is a type of comedy. That's very new for theaters. Will let me ask you questioning me. I think people can fall into two categories, and that is Marx brothers or three stooges what what do you fall into am a little more? Mark's brother personally. Guess to me the difference between the Marx brothers and the three stooges is that. They're both aggressive. But the Marx brothers Samir like anarchic, aggressive and the stitches are more like punch you in the face aggressive. Yeah. And I tend more to just like burning down the entire building than like punching someone in the knows. I'm right there with you. I am a Marx brothers fan. I never got. Why people love the stooges and I get it. It's it's more. I guess slapstick. And this is more, you know, comedic verbally. There's more rage in my m percents stooges kind of boiling out of each of the characters especially mo-, whereas the Marx brothers are relatively common people around them explode. Yeah. I mean is it the difference between Bugs Bunny, and Tom and Jerry. I mean, you know, one is about like the art of language, it's kind of a smart comedy or a stupid comedy. And I don't think that there's anything better or worse. But I think you know, one is appealing to one side of your brain in one is appealing to the other. But at the same. Time the physical gags in Marx brothers films are epic. I mean, I was dying laughing this movie hold a special place in my psyche. Because it's one of the first movies that my dad kinda shared with me duck soup, and I remember so many of these scenes I mean, the lemonade vendor scene and the go into meet with the leader of Selena like those scenes are so wonderfully orchestrated every beat like you said about the joke construction is there in the physical gags too. But I guess the difference is they're physical gags don't hurt people. They are just or gumming people to kind of fit in these positions. How did they even do that? Yet are like stealing huts stealing had stealing another stealing the same height stealing. It back stealing it back and then setting on fire. Yeah. It's like a magic trick that you see all the moves in or like watching pickpockets just be like let me show you what I can do. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is a movie I watched with my dad to we have. We haven't dad can I mean, Amy we are checking off. A lot of connection boxes. And. Yeah, this is also a movie that I think some of us might know it from references before we know the film film film. I did see this pretty young. But I am pretty sure I saw big business the movie with Lil. Yeah. And Bette midler before I saw duck soup, and they do that exact same year teen could we talk about this mere scene for a second. It is so impressive. Do you know that that scene only took two and a half hours to shoot they just knocked it out. And they wondered and this is me just hypothesizing. Please someone tell me if the, you know, the real reason they take the sound out in that part of the film. There's no sound, and that's an odd choice. And I wonder if it was because they were actually on the day like literally talking through like off camera. So they could sync up perfectly. I had the exact same thought. And pardon me. It was like, well, it's weird. They didn't at least put music over. Yeah. But yeah, there's no dialogue. So you imagine that somebody's like put your head out jump back. Jetta? Are he's gonna spin around. Now, you just stay put and the same. Put part is my favorite this scene is. Great. And you know, you said big businesses also been an I love Lucy with Harpo Marx Bugs Bunny. Mickey Mouse been on the X files with David Duchovny, Michael McKean on Benny hill. It was in family guy was student Hitler interesting. It's a classic classic scene. I think that that's probably the ones that everyone knows. It was in the Simpson early. It was in a Simpson's episode called Donnie fatso, and this is where mos- lost trying to find his bar. He stumbles into a stage production of any has a mere scene with one of the flying keys. Well, it's a chimpanzee me. And they're just doing that. Just picture a lot of. Maybe we should let these people enjoy this show. Yeah. Like, I said some of my favorite scenes in this film involve Harpo and Chico. But you can't really pull the clips because it's visual end. It's verbal and you're only be like listening to one side of the conversation. If you could be hearing, it you need to see it and see how it all plays out because I'm a Harpo girl, man, if I my favorite I would go Harpo. I am I am Chico. All the way she makes me laugh so hard, Chico. You know, he's the one who makes me laugh the hardest. I don't know if it feels that the biggest character because he's got this accent going on whatever it is. I connected to him as a kid. And it's the person that still like last night when I was watching this just makes me laugh out loud. I just want to watch him all the time. What about Harpo kind of appeals to you? I think Harper appeals to the part of me that like really loves gene wilder this curly hair. Strange like warped angel silent comedy routine. I just went to six in the summer, and I saw really great clown act. And there was the best clown in the whole group was a lot like Harpo force of destruction who runs around and kind of up ends, everything and ruins everything. But look so innocent while he's doing there's something about that like maniacal sense of humor that he channels. It's just like physical and crazy expressive that I just fall for every single time. You know, you're right. It's a good lesson for comedy in a way because he looked so harmless. But what he's doing is so aggressive like he makes the most aggressive moves in this film. I mean from putting his feet in the dudes lemonade for no reason. I mean, they're they're picking on this limited stand man for no reason, everywhere, they go. They are just I mean literally fucking with everyone. But to a point where you should feel like, oh, why are you picking on this guy? But it's in done in such a love that you're like, I'm on their side. I'm on their side. I want to see this guy. Get more flustered and get more limited in the face. Well, it's weird because they're picking on two types of people. Right. We'll know they're picking on everybody. But when they're picking on the lemonade guy, and then they're peeing on Margaret Dumont, the voice clip, you pulled out there picking on a duties just poor like them. And then if somebody very very very, very wealthy, right? So they're doing the whole range. It's not just like slobs versus snobs like slobs versus everybody. Yeah. And I think that that might be the story is that duck soup was the flop. It's not really a full. It wasn't a hit as much as people thought. It would be do. I mean, as a matter of fact, this is the movie that made them lose their contract. I mean, it did not do well at all. And I wonder if part of that is because in nineteen thirty three when the depression is at its worst. Like we were talking about in the King Kong episode people like men don't pick on them poor, dude. Or like just don't pick people. They just wanted to hug we'll interesting because MGM picked up their contract supposedly in a poker game with Chico. That was what was on the table. Thal? Berg always considered duck soup to have a lot of problems. I guess you got these funny gags in it. But there's no story. There's nothing to root for you can't root for the Marx brothers. They're just a bunch of zany kooks. You gotta put a love story in there. And they'll be something to root for you have to help the lovers get together. And I would argue I said earlier that's the stuff that I wanna fast forward through every time. I see another Marx brothers. I don't care about that. And but maybe people the time needed to have the song the. Dance the romance. It was a full four quadrant film. Or this was a straight up comedy. If you weren't on board for this. You wouldn't be on board for the movie, you know, it's like, whereas if it did have a few more dance numbers in a romance you bit oil it the romance part of it. You know, the comedy was whatever it's hard to imagine people buying a ticket to Marx brothers movie wanting to see more loving it. Can you really believe these guys would ever love anything through this entire movie graduate Max's like proposing to Margaret Dumont, and then calling her fat and then proposing to her and then calling her fetch she's really not fat. Anyway, though, I mean, but Margaret Dumont while we're here, we just have to say is brilliant. And I know that it's been spoken of so many times. But I think Margaret Dumont is my first understanding of what a street person is. And that's a comedy where you're, you know, it's the person who's not aggressively getting the last but reacting to being put upon by the comedian that whatever I'm sorry to over explain straight person. But she does such an amazing job at being a. Foil for them. And I think you when you talk about her you have to say that she is part of the Marx brothers CI is a part of all the moves that really work. I don't know if it's her Houdini. Tweeden his or her rich ethic tation that just give them the perfect springboard because she was all those things in your life. Really? She was an opera singer. And she had married super super super rich like nineteen seventeen. I think before they started to make these movies together, but then her husband died. So that's what she had to go back to work. So she was sort of a rich opera singer woman. But who also worked the state and also had a sense of humor. And also totally got what was so funny about everything they were doing together because when she wasn't working with them. She was making other kind of crazy comedies. She's doing her own thing. We'll see that's very interesting because I always assume that too, but then it was watching Groucho Marx in DeKalb it, and this is what Groucho Marx had to say about Margaret Dumont didn't do much funny. She played the as everybody knows the dowager anything. Thing. I did on the state. Really? We had a line in Doug show, which is one of my favorite lines. It was a war at the finish of duck-soo. I'm sure some of the people seeing the picture. If you'll -ployed you only weighs time that I could use talking to. Keep quiet. Just laugh hideously. At any rate. We had a big shale come through a window, and I rushed to the window. And I pulled down the shade. Her name was my name is driftwood in this picture. And she says Otis what are you doing that? I says I'm fighting Iran ah, which is. The end of the scene. She came over to me. She says what does that mean? You don't know what it means? I can't explain it to you. So listening to that made me go, I wonder if she's just she knows she's in a comedy. But she's just reacting. Not as intentionally like I'm reacting to the funny, but she's just playing it real. Okay. But a couple of things just get his character's name wrong clip. You did driftwood. Hey, I don't trust anything. He said what if Margaret Dumont was like this like double offered if secrets by? She was like, I'm gonna drive guys nuts. Like, I don't know. What's happening? I will make the joke on them the entire time. Well, look, I would love to I would love that to be true. Because I mean, regardless of whatever she knew if she wasn't on the joke or was not an joke. Whatever that chemistry was it really worked. And I think that's why you see a lot of really dramatic actors coming into comedy or comedians casting them in their projects because they will play with an intensity that you don't often find from. Comedians. And it's it's interesting. I'm working Don Cheadle right now, this great actor who I'm such a fan of his whole body of work, and he's doing very comedic and to watch him prepped for it is very different than if I was doing something surrounded by people who you and probably exclusively working comedy. It doesn't mean that he's less funny. I think he's sometimes even more funny than might comedian friends. It's just like a different mindset. I think the people think that zippo was there straight, man. But zippo doesn't do anything half as funny as Margaret Dumont know, although what they always say is that Zampa was secretly the funniest Mark's brother, right, which I've still like Peru. But they said like zippo because he was the youngest one group being able to imitate all his, you know, the order of age, by the way Chico's the oldest then Harpo Groucho the youngest of the three which surprised me X like the leader. Yeah. It was him. Then it was that was the one that died, and then there was gum. Oh. And then there was up at the very very end the baby the apparent. Like, he grew up just mimicking everybody. And they would talk about he could sub in for anyone on their live show. Yeah. But you don't see that here. I'm just gonna walk into the room. And I forget, he's even part of the family. I mean, he basically is getting the youngest child syndrome, which is like you do what we tell you to do. And I think that just meant that he got to do none of the fun stuff. You know? And as a matter of fact, this is last appearance as a Marx brother because he was tired of being called the unfunny. Marx brothers. Like, I'm out, by don't know. He added anything to their dynamic that you miss because then they put in these. I kind of stuff shirt kind of, you know, white dudes to be with them who are the love interest. And you know, they're neither here nor there, and I like zippo just fine. But there's nothing that I can say like, oh, that's Zappa moment. You know? Kind of gets like out straight men by Edgar Kennedy by the guy. Yes. By the way, I think we would be remiss if we did not give shout out to kill Torres as very Marcel as the. Yeah, I liked her a lot actually very beautiful and cheese kind of has more life than most of the beautiful women that are in Marx brothers films. She's so funny and kind of slinky and sinister I just thought she was terrific. She has a game. You know, she is evil or has evil intentions. Whereas I think a lot of the times in later Marx brothers movies. They're just eye candy for lack of a better term. They are the punchline like goodness. What's happening? Yeah. He's like, I'm in the slinky go dress, which you wanna do about it. I kind of wanted to see more about them. I think there was a scripted romance in the film between zippo and her that they cut out, and they're gonna have a love song called keep on doing what you're doing. But all that stuff. Got cut out. Some interesting stuff about the script or there to duck soup. What do you think that means like? Does that bring anything to your mind trying to think if I ever had duck soup, and I could only think of different Taisuke with duck in them duck soup, apparently was slang at the time. Meaning something that was easy to do or gullible sucker and marks can use that in a sentence. Please. Yeah. I would say like, oh that guy's a real duck soup. I don't know that that is thirty three things are happening. Groucho Marx offered the following explanation for the movie style, they said take two turkeys one goose four cabbages, but no duck and mix them together. And after one taste, you'll duck soup the rest of your life. I think that sounds good. Yeah. It does kind of actually. Let me talk to you about something that I found really interesting on this take first of all I have to come on it. This movie is an NRA film. Now is that NRA as we know nuts, not National Rifle Association. But I am very glad US because it is like an eagle holding a lightning bowl. Yeah. Because I I had to look this up when I I saw one of my favorite movies of which are talked about on here Busby. Berkeley movie which is from the same time period. Where heat is a dance number that involves the NRA logo. But the NRA stands for the national recovery administration FDR was doing to get the country back together. So it was about the people who are like building roads. And is about putting on the economy. So interesting because that's bizarre is the first in that kind of jumped out at me. But the second thing that really come interest was oh, they don't have a writing credit. The four marks brothers. Don't have a writing credit on this film. And I was like I was assumed they wrote their movies like it just never thought that someone else's writing these movies yet. Because I that's weird when right because their first movies and they did for paramount. We're based on their own shows. Right. They're based on things they'd been taking around the road forever. So I don't know if these guys if the there's like four screeners Burt Kamar, Harry ruby Arthur, chic Mun, not paren- where they sort of listing to the boys riff and typing it down. Or is it like they don't consider it writing because they would just write a plot? And the Marx would put in the bits. They've already done on stage. I know when I did human giant, which is a sketch show on MTV. There are certain rules. We had to get around. And there's no writing credits on human giant. I wondered if that was a similar situation here where it's sort of like, no, no, no, you are the stars. So you will do like, of course, the mirror the clown routine. We're talking about that was done on stage. Clearly that was before duck soup ever came into purview. And I wonder if they gave him a script, and then the Marx brothers kind of filled it in one of the hat thing. That was also like a stage thing. Yeah. And that's why I think these bits kind of worked so perfectly. I think one of the things you can always draw a line to in Marx brothers films. They get progressively worse. Because they've run out of material essentially like their best materials kind of in this era where they're like. Oh, yeah. We hit this. And we did this on stage. We did this and that the entering do this again. But I think a lot of the stuff was them adding on the day, for example, the script actually when I written was twenty seven pages, which is amazing. They finally blew it up to ninety eight pages. People say that this movie is the best Marx brothers film. Because it's like this biting social satire, and they attributed to this director, Leo mccarey who was laurel and hardy supervisor he worked with them. And he just had a good sense of pulling the social relevance out of the Marx brothers and not just making it fully jokes. But he didn't even want to do this movie. Did you know he turned down this movie? I don't wanna work with them. They're going to be nightmares. He's I don't like duck soup so much that I didn't even shoot this film. And the Marx brothers wanted me so much direct them in the film, and I refuse they got angry with the studio they broke their contract and left, and so believing that I was secure I accepted the renewal my own contract with the studio soon. The Marx brothers reconciled with paramount, and I found myself in the process of directing the Marx brothers. And the most surprising thing about the film was that I succeeded in knuckling crazy for I did not want to work with them. They were completely mad. I mean that makes me wonder if we really dig it better art in the studio era because you were forced to make do with what you had on the TV show chopped or something like you get three Marx brothers, and misery and stress and go. But you know, it's funny because when you think about the Marx brothers, you don't think about who directed it. And then that kind of brings me back to the whole idea of these people make a bigger difference than I ever acknowledged. I think of comedy a lot of the times is being self generated people. You know, it's like they write it they directed. They star in it. And here, you know, the thing about the effects that these writers, and this director had on the final product is is pretty interesting to me. I mean, I'm ex me wonder who came up with one of my favorite visual gags. It's win. It's Harpo, right. Is showing all his awesome tattoos. Yes. It which by the way is crazy back then like back then having tattoos period was super super super scandalous. It didn't really become more of thing until like people went to World War Two again and came back with more tattoos. Right tattoos were very his kindle is in this time period. Then opened up a shirt, you have Groucho meowing at what is it? He he shows Groucho like where he lives in its doghouse, and then graduate kind of looks in to the doghouse and then a dog pups out of the tattoo are alive action dog and to think about this nineteen thirty three that's a crazy special effect. It's awesome. And it's so visual. And it's so nothing that could have happened on the stage. I wonder if that was like Leo joke. I wonder if it was a Harry ruby joke. Maybe not one of them that dog barking gag was actually the fix to a gag that. They wouldn't actually let them shoot in the movie. So the original one was a little bit different. Right. So it was a tattoo of an outhouse on Harper's chest and Groucho slaps him on the back causing the door of the outhouse to swing open, and then a little hand reaches out and then closes the door. And so they thought that was way too dirty and scandalous, so they replaced it with the dog gag, which is I mean, such a funny weird thing, it wasn't like you saw someone's bare ass it was just knowing that someone was in the outhouse, and I just love that he had outhouse on his chest in the beginning, and someone flagged that well, we almost got a toilet like thirty years before psych. So let's talk about the other stuff that could have really only happened. Now that we're firmly firmly into this era. What are the things that I forgot about duck soup is that people just do burst into song randomly. They're like Hello, we're talking and then suddenly it's a musical like right here when Groucho Marx when his Rufus t firefly. They're a waiting to enter the room as the new leader of for Donia. Confused. To take station beginning his administration. Stripes. When. On your lady. And this is where if you're watching this movie with me, I will audibly grown because it's the parts. I always forget about in the Marx brothers this singing and the harp. Playing by the way is the only Marx brothers film. Where Harpo does not play a harp solo? There's a touch of Harb. Oh, yeah. Right. You're right. Yes. We are bits ticket. But that number this number. We're like they're presenting Rubio's a couple of things one it seems so much to me like pre wizard of Oz. Right where she like enters ause this. What we are who we are. And there's this weird visual thing. I don't know if it was just in the casting that they did. But you have all these soldiers March out, and then you have all these ballerinas mount Marquette, and the ballerinas are so much shorter than the soldiers. It looks a little bit much like where did they find that tiny tiny ballerinas? What is happening here? Feels me. There was a checklist that they had to cross off. And it's like all right. We'll get the dancers in here. We'll do this thing. Because there are these big scenes, and we talked about the scene at the end all God's children got guns. Like, they're these big dance numbers and the seemingly are not necessary. But they just are happening. It's like, you gotta you gotta put it in. You just got to put it in. That was like the, you know, just it was just a, you know, it was just kind. Assigned to you. If you're gonna make a movie gotta have a couple of these things the new hit thing man, King Kong had a dance number or liked it. Yeah. It'd be like Nick young Frankenstein it up. Let me ask you this. What do you think of Rufus t firefly as a leader? Well, it's difficult to kind of think of him as a leader. Because Rufus is a great indictment of what we assume politicians to be right giving jobs to his friends lying cheating philandering all this sort of stuff that has not changed since nineteen thirty three probably before before. But you know, he's firing at his own men at a certain sequence and more concerned about giving himself a metal. But he seems to be effective because he you know, he wins the war at the end. I mean, or at least that's what we understand it to happen when he announces his policies. It sounds basically like he's trying to form Singapore here. Let's listen to his laws. Ten. Now once a allowed small data Joe and whistling bitten. Chewing shoes that you. And in the host. Here is. Report to me, and it will be. Put my foot down. Here. He is the figure of anarchy coming in. And being like, nobody has any fun or any freedom, right? I guess it just went right over my head. I glaze over and I feel bad for for being this type of you're. But I glazed over now listening to this is I didn't realize they were like jokes or points of view in these actual Sohn's. So I sing anything to you just won't even hear what I'm saying. I just think I feel like it's such fluff in a Marx brothers movie. Like, look, I love a musical. I will go see musicals. I will listen to the musical soundtrack. When I get home from seeing it. I'm all on board. But on these I'm like, no, thank you, not interested. Hey, Paula don't you bummy a pizza some time as the subliminally Gooding to you? I have not heard a word that you say by and. Pizza. Amy can ask you question. Okay. What do you think of Groucho Marx as an actor? He is. So in control, he sort of like, if you're a dancer, but just with your mouth like if Fred Astaire had to dance with his tongue. Well, you know, it's funny. You say that because in my mind, it was the first time I looked at him and was like thinking about this. And I'm like, I think he's a mediocre actor in a great performer, right because the style and the substance is all there, but he's not really interacting with anyone. He is performing around people or people performing around him. He's not connecting. Whereas I think Harpo and Chico both are connecting. And they're better actors. Oh, that's interesting. I was just reading this interview with Roger Ebert where he said kind of the same thing. Really? Yeah. He had interviewed Groucho Marx couple times right before he died in the early seventies. And he's that when you talk to God. Marks you're aware that he's not completely in the room with you. He's figuring out how to win the conversation. How to move the pieces around. Yeah. In that. He never breaks character that with graduate max there is no difference between his public and private self. And I think you feel that in the film because like I said one of my favorite scenes in this film. And I would say in the history of film is when Harpo Chico were introduced as the spies, and they come in that scene. I feel like is so much funnier than the first scene of Groucho coming in. They're both very funny. Scenes undeniably hilarious scenes, but I find so much joy in watching Harpo Chico because they feel like they're actually performing the art of acting in a film. Do you think it's possible that when Groucho Marx does is like besting things? He's quitting around on Dumont. You almost get the sense that he's not listening to anything she has to say ever where as Chico. Let's actually listen to a thing where Chico goes after the embassador. I wanna listen to this now like really closely in like is he responding to what he saying for real. I detail report of your investigation. Right back Monday. We watch my applies house come out. He wasn't home. Tuesday. We go to the ball game foolish in Osho on Wednesday. He'd go to the ball game. We pull him window Shola day wasn't doubleheader. Nobody show on Friday it rained all day long game. So we stayed home with us door over the radio. You didn't shadow file? Shore shadow by wish him on Saturday some joke. And plus I think what I love there is he is telling that story, I feel he's on that story. And he's making a joke. He's making a joke. Groucho never comments that he's making a joke. He's just responding. And and if there's that's the playfulness that I don't know makes it feel like that's a real seemed to me. I know it's insane scene. But it's big to who they are as characters in my mind. Yeah, you're making me this image in my head where it's like graduate marks is the giant boulder in raiders of the lost. Ark. Just like, I'm rolling newest see. Luisita here. I come and Chico is more like, I'm a cat playing with a mouse. You're not getting anywhere. I control this. Yeah. I I like it. And I like that song. I just heard every part of it. So you're breaking me of my of my bad habits in. And I think part of that is their personality you talked about how Groucho always in character. And I think his character was to be smarter than everyone in the room. And when that conversation, whereas I believe that Harpo and Chico enjoyed people and getting reaction at people. There's a story on set the two writers, Harry, ruby, Bert Kalmar. We're staying on the set watching the scene kind of go, you know, happen. An extra comes up to them. And goes, I don't know who wrote this stuff, but they ought to be arrested. They should be in a different business. Now, these screenwriters they get so pissed off. They're just like what what's going on. And calendar is a rational guys, I am going to hit this guy. And eventually they're informed that Chico had paid the extra to save. That to him just to get the screenwriters riled up just for the fun of it. And I think that's the difference in their personality. It's like that kind of like they're just having fun with people. And I don't think that I don't think the Groucho do that doesn't feel that. That's Groucho thing. I felt Groucho would be just kind of not associating. He's not a man of the people. He is a man coming tting on the people. I mean, what you're describing is the building empathize. Right. Yeah. That Chico not that. He's kinder because if he can get into somebody's head and be like, I know what will mess with them in particular. I have this playful. I think play is with someone else. Right. There's a you have to have someone else to play with. I think here this is from win cheekily Chico is on trial for being spy, and he's being prosecuted by a judge and also Groucho Marx. Do anyone here? Do depend you owe us I even over to pay his highest eighteen dollars. But I know they get somebody to depend me friends. This man's case move. Deeply. Look at Leany. He sits alone and that Jack figure I object. I say look at you Collini. He sits alone pitiable object. Let's see you gotta that surrounded by a sea on friendly faces. Kick of any gimme wanna ten let right now. I ask you one. Why does it has? But not ways two thousand pounds in psych. That's relevant relevant. Hey, that's the answer as a whole lot of relevance in. That's all. That's guest him only. We can eliminate at fine. You'll take what eliminate a nice goal glass. Eliminate wash. I'm going to. Cattleman Ciccolina here may talk like an idiot, and look like an idiot. But don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot. I employ you send them back to us. Padron brothers who awaiting for him with open arms in the penitentiary. I said, yes, we give ten years or eleven years and twelve hundred I'll do I think five and pen and worldwide, and you see I think that actually are tickets exactly we're saying there's Groucho performing almost doing a standup routines of the lawyer. He's driving the case forward. He's talking to the crowd at large. And there's a scene in this film Groucho even turns right down the lens the camera and talk to the audience right in the beginning. When Margaret Dumont says like, you know, you'll fill in for my husband's like, oh, look at this. You know, I'm not gonna do graduate. But in that scene, I think Chico is really like you feel him like explaining himself. And he's pulling off these jokes that I think only he can do because he's playing the character of. Being dumb. So kind of effortlessly. Yeah. In his jokes in that whole scene, and so much of the movie are based in him trying to communicate with people and not understanding them. Yes. They're about him failing to connect just seeing ticket. Yes. You feel like a sympathy for him. He's like, mice maestro. No everything's like crazy with him. And I think that's how they each have their superpower. They don't need to be all great actors almost getting three types of distinct comedy, you're getting character based comedy. You're getting a stand up style of comedy. And then getting this physical. Buster Keaton, Charlie Chaplin level of comedy. And in a way, I've never seen a comedy movie breakdown to those three types in one film, each one is responsible for a different kind of laugh. That's really really really really true. I love that. I hadn't really thought of that. Like, I was thinking before we got here about how each one of them about how graduate Harper when Chico. They all look so dramatically different. They'll look like silent film. Medians especially Groucho with the heavy mustache and the heavy heavy eyebrows. But they all look so visually distinct for comedy that is often just like based on wordplay. Yeah. But I hear to that point like if you took off all of their wigs and all their makeup. I think they all were to pays. I think they were all going bald by this point amazing that they actually looked alike, which kind of blows my mind when they do the disguise seen when each of them dresses up like Groucho, they look identical. That's how you know that they are fully brothers. I mean there is you can't tell them apart in that. It's pretty amazing because I think when I was a kid I didn't really think they were brothers. I thought pretending to be. As I was just like how could these be brothers? That goes blonde, right? I'm very naive about wig. No. But I mean, the the same way I think, you know, as a kid, you think that that's the moniker of that, you know, that that's their their gimmick. You know, we're like the sheer siblings. You know, what I'm thinking about this as we keep on talking about it. And you know, I think there's a reason why certain comedians really respond to Groucho was it in Henan or sisters were Woody Allen, let goes and sees duck soup and kind of as revelation about his life. He's about to commit suicide need changes everything by seeing like Groucho, and I feel like Woody Allen and Groucho have a very similar, you know, take on how they perform. And I think Chris rock could be putting that the way the Chris rock kind of acts in films. It's it's kind of outside of it. You know, it's to win. I think of Woody Allen in his scenes, I think of somebody who has to win who has to at least let the audience know, he's smarter than them. Yeah. He deserved to. And even if he loses interesting yet, he wants to be the smartest person in the room. And I think that that's a style of a standup who transitions into an actor. And I think then there's comedians who are more performers who are doing these great characters, and whether or not we're talking about that silently like Harpo, and I think you can draw that connection to Sasha baron. Cohen or you could draw that to Chico. There's a lot of that too. 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He also is the host of a brand new podcast here on your wolf called Conan O'Brien needs a friend, which is going to be premiering November nineteenth lets him for no brain. Okay. Going welcome to the studio. I Paul and I had to settle this really early on at the beginning of this episode. Are you a Marx brothers person? Are you three stooges person? I don't think that should be an either or really really I really don't. I think that both the three stooges and the Marx brothers are anarchists. Okay. It really is go for the jugular anarchy and a kind of really delightful madness. I think the division sometimes would actually be more between comedians who are pure anarchists. And going for the laugh and comedians who are playing on your sentiment. That's what I division is. And I think the more of the division is are you a Marx brothers person or you Charlie Chaplin person. Okay. I to me that is that that is more of the distinction. Look, I think they both have this this longevity. People are still adamant fans of both. And this would be duck soup is very high on the list, and we. Watched it, and it still holds up as a piece of like comedy that you can laugh at doesn't feel dated in any way. What what's your connection to this movie? I think this is the Marx brothers best movie. I also think that one of the things that makes it last is that on the surface, and especially in today's environment. A lot of people would say, oh, this is a movie about politics and today because everyone's so hyped up about politics. I happen to think that if you were reading review. In the New York Times or the Washington Post. Whatever of this movie came out today. They would say this really satirizes government. Yes, it's really satirizes. And this really takes down the right? And at the time Hitler was very much on the rise in Europe. And a lot of people thought that this movie was somehow a take on dictators nationalism. And you know, it was taking them down. Someone said that to Groucho Marx later on said, what a brilliant takedown of Groucho Marx at what are you talking about? We were for Jews trying to get a laugh to me that is what makes this movie work. The comedy is just brilliantly go for the jugular. They don't waste any time on exposition. And it is the Marx brothers being as funny as they can possibly be if you're trying to look at it through a political lens. I think you're missing the point. It's so funny that people. Read whatever they want and to comedy. I think it seems like can't comedy just be comedy. Yes. That's kind of if I were a preacher today. That would be what I would be preaching trying to preach to people that let comedy comedy because I think there's such a desire for everybody to see things through the lens of what we're going through in this country and political humor and take down. Somebody took down Trump last night on their late night show or comedian took down Mitch McConnell, right? And I what I love about. This movie is in a modern comedy people would be trying to executives it'd be trying to answer the question for Donia needs a new leader. And it'd be great and really funny if Groucho Marx became the new leader for Dona. So we need to come up with the plot device by which crouch marks who's clearly insane and person in the world who should be. Running a country. What's the plot device? This movie says fuck that mean, no the movie starts with for Dona needs a new leader here. He is. It's crowd show marks. Yeah. No explanation necessary. You're talking about studio executives like they have more sense than members of congress. And also Irving Thalberg would have done that if they'd made this a couple years later he would have been like hold on hold on hold on. Let's give you a tragic back story where like you to be present. When you were a baby and somebody stepped on you. There's also does the dance number song and dance number at the end of the movie. It's it's pure insanity. It's your sanity they're all going to war in its moment of pure madness. And I still think one of the best comedic representations ever filmed of just joyous lunacy. Joyous lunacy. That's completely beside the point. It's beautiful. What I think is so interesting is that Groucho Marx is actually an okay dancer, like I think you have to be a good dancer dances badly as he does. And I really admire people who have that much physical control over his body. It's like Steve Martin kinda gift Martin can also really dance when he wants to fatty book could dance when he wanted to these people are real performers. They they, you know, they cut their teeth on the stage that there was no only being one talent in a way. It's so interesting to see a comedy made in the nineteen thirties. Still be accessible, and I feel like when you're we were talking before about when you're being so political that stuff will fade away so quickly because it's so pointed it's so topical. If it's too specifically political I think that's one of the reasons why will Rogers can get be lost two people. Now, a lot of his routine a lot of his commentary was so specifically about what was happening in that moment is very hard for us to sink our teeth into it now, but Marx brothers. You know, if you watching this movie, the context of its late thirties or early forties war is looming. Is this a comment? It's it's irrelevant. But I I would say WC fields is another comedian of that era who in my opinion holds up brilliantly because it's just funny. It's so much of it is just funny and his he's so not needy. He's self contained. We'll because like the human nature of despotism is kinda universal bet. Like, the great despots horrible Egyptian rulers something of two thousand years ago. Had the exact same problem. You could have done the same comedy about that which I mean that makes me wonder like when you're talking all the time. And there's like a pressure to talk about and make jokes about the news. Is there a little bit of you? That's like I wish I could just step back and talk about these issues in a larger sense a. Yeah. For me God. Yes. I have these days these days, I find it to be. Not a source of communicants peration to me. I don't I don't find the current administration to be a source of comedic inspiration. That's never the kind of comedy that I've loved doing. I mean, your show always a think stood out from everybody else's because the comedy was so separate from from the day to day. Right. Just want it to be just a voice wanted it to be being interrupted by someone in the audience. Right. Who's of really good, you know, played by Amy Poehler, a really good actor who's pretending to be my sister. And we play out a family drama of always far preferred that to. Let's take down the latest Bill that was just passed in congress. I've I've never I think also it's so ubiquitous now there's so many shows that do it. There's so many places that do it that it's I'm one of six kids. I've never wanted to be doing what everyone else is doing. It's not fun to me. So I would rather a lot of people doing it really brilliantly, right? Now, I'd rather leave it to them and find a way to do something that it's like why like why I love to travel show so much go to Japan, go to Korea, go to Israel, go places where I'm a complete fish out of water and play that kind of fish out of water comedy that has been around for two thousand years. What would you say is your your top three Marx brothers movies? That's a good question. Well, duck seeps, my all time favorite horse feathers. I haven't seen it in a long time. That one always comes high for me to feathers is up there. And then I haven't seen night at the opera and a and a little while. But have to see it again. It's that. Yeah. I mean, I feel like that's probably the three that have the most solid, you know, beginning middle and end kind of movies, and there's other ones when they go west and stuff. It's oh, there's a that's a funny scene, or that's you're you're picking. Yeah. You're picking pieces of meat out of the stew. Yeah. It's not. You're not biting into a big sirloin. You don't. No me at all. And you've hung out with a little bit. Can you guess which marks brother is our Mark's brother, and I was curious which one is yours? Wow, that's tough. I have to say for all of my childhood and for a long time. It was Harpo just because I had doored him as a kid, and I do think he's a genius. He's an absolute genius. As I got older. I started to see how much everybody's doing crowd show. He start see the influences. So walk this way. If I could walk that way. I mean, just yeah. That fast, talking wise guy. The way he walks into a room bent over. I don't know. He's a completely original character to me. And I think he's completely influenced everybody, well it down to one, you know, it's, you know, what's really interesting to Chico is a sleeper because earlier in my life. I didn't Chico of the three of them. I would say was the least potent to me. And I've only come to appreciate him more. Really? I really love I really love Chico. That's that's the one that is my favorite. Yeah. Harpo girl. And I want to narrate for people who couldn't see because this is the podcast. You did a very good graduate eyebrow wiggle just then when you were talking about a lot of work done. She couldn't even makes me laugh because I feel like he's such a defined. I mean, they are all defined characters. But I just think he can really act this this persona in a way that makes me laugh so hard, especially duck soup. He keeps it moving the more. You learn about comedy the more. You see how beautifully these three people work off of each other? And how when one of them has the alpha position have the other ones feeding or or one of the others. And you know, these these guys grew up together, right? Then you think about it? They're playing vaudeville and they're playing nonstop. And that's an education that you know. Now, we we live in this YouTube world where everybody's getting experience. And no one's getting experience at the time. It's like I was lucky enough to perform for many years and being New York and kind of get that. And and that you learn about yourself. You learn how to make mistakes, I think that's the thing. To the benefit of not having things recorded all the time. And then you get better. Simply I don't know if it's to the audience, but just by experimentation public mistakes. Right. Like you like plotter don't applaud people clap don't clap with right away. Whether or not it worked you're like a vine star. Yeah. You only get hits like you don't really know in real time. What failed? So in every episode of this show. We see if the Simpsons have made a reference to one of the movies that we were talking about, and they have pretty much everyone of movies, except for African Queen is that something that's your conscious of when you in the writers room, my notes many many years ago, but with when you were aware of its kind of second nature for any Simpsons writer to be regurgitating. The pop culture that we grew up with so one of the episodes. I wrote the act one is a music man, parody act to an X three became an Irwin, Allen disaster movie, parody and. So is the monorail episode where the town gets a monorail. And I think get sold the monorail by guy who's. Yeah. I completely did a version with a friend of mine. Jeff Martin was also Simpsons writer. We wrote a version of the trouble song that was all this guy convincing played by Phil Hartmann the town to buy monorail. And then once they buy the monorail, and install it. It becomes a parody of the Irwin Allen movies. I grew up with towering inferno Poseidon adventure. Where this is perfect. It is man's gleaming. Nothing can go wrong. And all the celebrities are getting on board. And then Ono something went wrong, and it's terrible disaster. Well, the Simpsons has been doing that almost you can see there might be six or seven mini parodies in most episodes. What's interesting to me is a year ago. My son who's twelve started watching the Simpsons, and you can binge watch them. He's allowed to watch on the weekends for certain amount of time. So he's been absorbing the Simpsons and at the same time starting about around nine months ago. I started showing him classic movies that I thought he should see. What's interesting is? I showed him the godfather. And he said over right? So that's what that Simpson's. Say and then I'll show him the movie the untouchables and he'll see the baby carriage going down the stairs. And he'll say, oh, yeah. That's what that meant in the Simpsons. He's doing it back. Yeah. He's like. Yeah. Like, it's like he's putting it all together at the end of an night Chaman movie. Yeah. He's he is. And I think a lot of people in this younger generation of kids are going to see the parodies. I then they're going to see citizen Kane vendor. Going to see. African Queen or movie or Casablanca. They saw Homer say play it again Sam. But they didn't know what it meant. And it gives you two levels of enjoyment because I think like we're talking about the March for others it kind of exists like the Simpsons you can enjoy it without it being purely just a reference not just cut to a joke. It's seated within the story and the character. So while it is a reference it also feels kind of organic to the little like a show that did it brilliantly was the Batman series in the sixties with. Yeah. You can watch it. They have all these jokes in there that I only understood as an adult the mayor is not called mayor Lindsay, his name's mayor linseed all these jokes about bad government. There's all kinds of stuff in there. But as a kid, it wasn't a speed bump for me at all. Right. I just loved it that was the mayor, but it's all seated in their organically. Well, this has been great talking to you about the March further. Thank you so much for giving us this time. Yeah. I hope people go out and watch them. I mean, it's just God. I have a four year old and a two year old. And I showed my four year old just a two scenes from duck soup. And it was so fun to watch him watch Harpo because I felt that's his entry point. He's and he's the entry drug. Yeah. Yeah. He's a gateway drug, and he was laughing ho Larry just like the whole scene where the taking the hats and lighting fires it. It's the most insane thing he's ever seen in this kid who watches like super wings, which is one of the worst shows I've ever seen on TV about like talking planes. The clearly just Doug for every different country that they go to produce. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Really good show. Really? But thanks much. This week here will he's transforming into something. Spooky scanty, it's cold food or wolf. That's right, fear. Wolf is coming to haunt your precious years with spoon episodes in raising special gifts of all your favorite shows right here on spoiled. You can listen to Amy and full. She had a breakdown one of the most influential horror films of all time who FICO who charted it should be called, boo. Georgia's because Howard, Kremer and guest tiff. Stevenson countdown the top Halloween songs in movies. But that's not all of book is offering up the hollow weaned musical spooked. Duck ULA on warp it up the city of Modina dead. Ray gets a little bit spooky away in local mystic Maureen at the pump jobs by do review the future. And then here truthful, let's head over to Stitcher premium or should I say stitch us creamy him to get some couples costume tips from Sean Hayes. On the Hollywood handbook pro version, so do not miss your favorite funeral shows this week on Stitcher apple podcast with this. A big thanks to Conan O'Brien for sitting down and talking duck soup with us. His brand new podcast Conan O'Brien needs a friend premieres Monday, November nineteenth guests include wolf aero Wanda Sykes, Marc Maron run funches deck shepherd. Kristen bell, Nick, Offerman, mega moly and Bill Burr. It's going to be great. It's Conan unfiltered, and without any time limits to talk about whatever he wants. So if you enjoy them right here, I think you're going to really love this podcast. You know when Conan was talking about that number. It's really interesting because it seems like part of the number was improvised. There's a song kind of at the end all God's children got guns. And that was apparently improvised on set by Groucho because actually based on this kind of older. Spiritual song. I got shoes. That was really interesting that he just improvised this big number. It's not in the script. And it seems to be something that he just kind of came up with on the day, and this according to their biographer, Joe Adamson just said that that was something that Groucho wanted to do. So I feel like the movie is them, but they're not being credited for what they actually added. How long until Sasha baron Cohen. Sings August, children got guns in disguise to somebody in the entering convinces them to make their theme song the other. Also, I was thinking a lot about Sasha baron Cohen watching because I was trying to think like who picked up this mantle and ran with it. I think of him, and I think of Jim Carey for some reason interesting. You know, I definitely got like a strong sense of Sasha Cohen watching this too. And it didn't really put it together until now. And I think it's that playful enter key. And I think that that you see that especially in a character like borat who so sweet so lovely, but is turning the screws on people in such an intense way. I think he has that playful childlike mentality. So you never really feel bad for the people that he is going after, you know, even though he's going after some people that really deserve it and some people that don't deserve it so much. You're always on his side. I wonder if is who Harpo would be of Harpo could talk, you know. I mean, they there's a similarity there. One hundred percent like what is the history of improv in this time people always doing it before then like do. They do you count them. As improv. You know, I think that you can draw a lot of lines to like veal. A spokesman comes up with these ideas of these theater games that help people, you know, you could explore character in space, and then improvisation in the sixties is really getting to where we understand improv. Now, we're we're using it to create theatre before it was much more in the art of Kameda del Arte where you're wearing a mask. And now, I'm gonna act like this character, very, basic, big ideas. But you improv comedy is in the sixties, and that's kind of with the compass players, and then you're getting close closest creating that seventies version of improv which is much more of your regional like cast of SNL. And then it kind of evolves involves and evolves. I think back here probably was just your funny people that are writing bits playing with each other funding on stage. Something works. They keep it something doesn't work. They throw it away. So I think it's at this point. It's vaudeville is improv in the sense that the audience is telling you, what's working you refine his show based on what's working. What's not and? I think that that's more probably Kim to stand up, you know. But at the same time, we have the biographer of the Marx brothers saying, no, here's Groucho. I have an idea. Let's do this. Let's go this way, you know. So I don't think they're calling. It improv. I think they're just naturally writing on their feet, which is you know, I think improv is always been around. I think when it's more structured in the theater environment. Is when you're seeing it in the sixties, that's all I mean, I wonder because the fortunes of duck soup kind of rise and fall the sixties. This comes out in the thirties. It does. All right. It's kind of like pushed away for a bit. They have much bigger hits after this again, they'd bigger. It's before they got bigger hits. After duck soup is sort of like this little kid brother one of their legacy. And then it resurfaces in the sixties. It kind of gets brought back by like the chaotic hippies who are men that were going into Vietnam. These young angry kids are sort of like this movie terrific bring it back. I think if it went for them, we'd probably have another. One. Maybe as the second Marx brothers on the list, you know, one of the things they realized in doing my research to is this movie was put into the library of congress gives them. What year I don't nineteen ninety. Well, and I believe this is higher the night at the opera. And I think it's more deserved of the spot because it is the most pure Marx brothers film. I these scenes are classics. And I think it's eight minutes is kind of there in the forefront of what my biggest belief in comedy is shorter is better. No one leaves going. I wish it was longer comedy laugh, right, man. But I wonder if part of why duck soup feels like it really connects today is because it feels like we're in another moment like that where we don't trust our leaders where we think our leaders are buffoons. I'm really freaked out about being led into a really stupid war. Right. This movie felt really relevant to me again when you have even even here at the beginning mistakes dill making this deal with the government. I'm sunny to the people beaten to spend it. I need the money but only on condition, but his excellency withdrawn and. On June you to give up my office. Yes. Yeah. This high for need to provision. A man Rupa Steve. Clarify. I. It apply. Hunky? What's on my mind? So much is having too much money involved in politics is in how like liberties people's land can like pull strings and get people elected. It's having this character do that in the thirties when this would be open. It was like, right. Well, maybe the idea is in the thirties. It was too smart for the room not to bring up a kind of a lame comparison. But like mardi MC fly plays. Johnny be good for the, you know, the high school dance at the end everyone stands there after they watch him kind of like jam out on the tar because they weren't ready for it yet. You know, he's like, but your kids will love it. And that's kind of what I feel like was happening here. Like, we were just going into the idea of what World War Two is going to be in the in the countries in this weird spot. Now, we are more aware culturally. It will never we'll never go back. And I think you can watch us movie the same way can watch Lord of the rings and see all the comparisons between, you know, industrialization and war coming in all this sort of stuff you're gonna be able to read into it. But as a culture, we're more. More open to these kind of stories now, we're not as naive to it fairly like Mussalini watch duck soup when he was like, hey, this is about me. I know which makes me wonder in scenes like when the war actually starts, and you have graduate marks changing costumes like left and right being like civil war being teddy Roosevelt being like an giant British head being in a boy scout uniform being like Davy Crockett. I mean when I was watching that I was like wondering is this a commentary on how war is always the same. No matter what the uniforms are. Or is it just a joke? Is it just visual gag, it is whatever you want it to be, you know, and so. No. But like, I think maybe that's maybe that's Leo mccarey coming in and saying, let's do it like this. And that's our common done it. And it works on both levels. You know, this movie is wall to wall jokes, and some are the most base like when he's in bed eating crackers in bed. It's like, they don't have them just embed. He's eating crackers in bed. So it's like that's a joke like Doni crackers in bed. Like, you know, it's like, that's the reason why people respond to this movie because it works on both sides. It's it's funny. Just because it's funny is changing costumes, and it's funny because we're making grander statement about no matter what the uniform the corruption in the greed is always the same. This movie not getting its due when it comes out, but it clearly is being embraced more and more. Especially in the last ten twenty years did Groucho ever kind of get the respect that. He deserved. You think what did happen in nineteen seventy four? He got an honorary Oscar, but it was also him kind of standing in for everybody. He made really really clear in his speech. And by the way, Jack Lemmon introduces him in the clipper, and he says this about the Marx brothers. He says that they were as revolutionary in their approach to humor as Karl Marx was to politics. Wow. That is a statement. I wanna thank those who voted. Me to give this award. I wish that hop on chick of rehears share with me. This great on. I wish manga do could be too. She was a straight woman for me. Even though she never understood any my Joe's. Shoes. Say Julie serving. Thank my. Because without we never would have been anything. Lashed of all I'd like to thank and Fleming. Who makes my life living. Understands all my jokes. So very sweet speech and again, another dig on Margaret Amonte. Yeah. Man. It's like. Indepth? He's gotta make your the state. Yeah. His mom, by the way, you know, his mom really was forced who lake marshaled all of the brothers to be on stage. I think the story is like her dad was been the Quist. She was just raised to be performer. And so when she saw she had a bunch of rambunctious boys who are all really good at music and performing she was like get out their kids make me some money. So it's number sixty on the list. Do you believe that duck soup belongs on the list? Yeah. Definitely this seems like an absolute to me. I'm surprised it's as low as sixty on say, you know, I think again comedy is always gonna fall on the spot that it's never gonna be super high. There's nothing interesting. Production wise about this movie. You know, it's all in the performance. It's not even really a a great film in the sense of story. But despite all of that it works. It's hilarious end to me. The greatest thing about this movie is in two thousand eighteen I am laughing literally out loud watching this film and. To have a comedy that has that much life and legs to it. I mean, it's amazing yet. There's something in their spirit that just feels as fresh today. I want to see more of this type of comedy. I wanna see more just like bra like I get a little bored with the like, I fall down go boom comedy or like the, hey, I'm walking through room. And it's my penis type Akam this comedy this comedy that just like the world the finger, but not in a way, that's like violent is is it's so rare like it's kind of I don't I keep can't call them cuddly their salute forces of mayhem there, like the Tasmanian devil. There is also something about this where it doesn't feel stylized to the period. There's a lot of these movies that I love that have very rapid fire pace. And everyone's talking like this and the thin man one of my favorite films. It feels of the time this feels less sewn at wonder if that's the stage, performance nature of them or the way they. Spoke to quote, unquote, like, but common people, you know, they had so much experience being out there that their tone was much more relatable. And that allows them to carry over chill now. I mean, we're gonna talk about other comedies in this list. The probably are a little bit more stylized. But this doesn't have any of those affect -tations really feel like going up in trying to tear down fictitious. I mean because just Margaret Dumont type of speaking voice that she has here is nothing, but I've affect tation. Yeah. The way she talks feels so old. So like classic. So like, whoa Balu goodness. And then for that to just keep clashing up against Groucho Marx. It is a really good combination. It feels like one type of silo performance bashing its head against another one it in my mind. I think watching these movies as a kid you just assumed that that's over on spoke back, then everyone was like that. No, it was performed live on one side of it. And they're, you know in a love that idea that they were ripping that down even in the thirties. Like, no, we're not going to follow this type of. Acting performance. I think that that's something that Marlon Brando doesn't a dramatic side where he's doing that method active. 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The Sherpa Screening Room: Meet Steve Stoliar!

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The Sherpa Screening Room: Meet Steve Stoliar!

"Coming to you from Scheppach La in beautiful downtown and podcast. Yeah. It's time for entertainment interviews in the Sherpa screening room grabbing Nile seat and the bucket of popcorn at don't crunch too loud or your the show. Now he's your host James Podcast. Hello up to my rebels of the share pollution. It's Me Jim, the podcast Sherpa and it's another week of the show screening room. got a little question for you. Do you have a lot of stories of celebrity encounters? Well, do we this podcast gives me the opportunity to talk to celebrities and people in the entertainment business, but I don't usually have too many celebrity encounters but my guest this week, he's a guy named Steve Stoll ear. And he actually lived in the Great Groucho Marx House for the last few years of Groucho life, and he was his assistant and his personal secretary and the ended up writing a book later on called raised eyebrows, my years inside Groucho House. He's also written a new book imperfect storm, which is about actor comedian and director Howard Storm, and he co loaded with Howard storm himself speaking of books today's podcast is being brought to you by. A free audiobook download and a thirty day free trial at www dot audible trial dot com slash. Sherpa is over one hundred, eighty thousand titles to choose from for your iphone android kindle or MP three player, and by the way if you do sign up, one of the books that you can get is the download of Steve's book raised eyebrows. So let's head on down to the screening room and listen in on my conversation with author Steve Stoler. Rebels. I'm lucky enough today to have a guest who has actually been. In touch with classic Hollywood, you know I've been talking to a lot of people who are making movies are just getting started in the business or maybe they've started recently but my guest today. Actually lived in the House of Groucho Marx and he was his personal secretary archivist and he wrote a book about his experience living in the house cold raised eyebrows my years inside Groucho House, and he's also the author of more recent book called the Imperfect Storm From Henry Street to Hollywood which is about Howard storm and we're GonNa talk a little bit about both of those books and about Steve's life and. I kinda gave away his name Steve. Still. High steamroll you're talking about me I was. I. Just was enjoying what you had to say about who this person was and then imagine my embarrassment realizing you're introducing me. To of come up sooner or later, right? Yes. Well, these things have to be whipped get them out of the way the preliminaries like who are we talking to on this show? You know why don't we start if you could tell us a little bit about what your life was like up till coach well, I was born in Saint Louis and our family moved to La. When I was about eight because my father's job and it was a fairly normal middle class on remarkable family. Both my parents loved old movies and old comedies. My Mom's favorite movie was it happened One Night And my dad was a big Marx brothers Fan and they they would use lines from their films before I knew who the Marx brothers were like you. You've been you sound like you were vaccinated with a phonograph needle. Also I. had an uncle Joe and Saint Louis who was a balding man with a moustache glasses and smoked a cigar and wiggled his eyebrows and so when I ended up discovering, Groucho naturally I thought, Hey, he's just like uncle Joe but I i. You know all my friends in high school and then in the college were into old movies specifically old comedies. And an old horror movies, the the universal horror films, and we would just in those days before tc 'em and Blu Ray and streaming, and on demand and stuff we would look through the TV guide and looked to see what movies were on the local stations, and if something started at like two forty five, am we just sort of willed ourselves to stay awake past Johnny Carson Pass Tom Snyder into that nether world of? Of car commercials and whatever, and somehow managed to stay up and it's like, wow, I watched horse feathers last night or Gary Cooper and lives of a Bengal Lancer. Some of them are movies I haven't seen since then believe it or not. Now, of course, it's a cinch. You know you talk about you mentioned a movie and then later that day you hear from the person you're talking you were talking to and they. Say Yeah just watched it on your recommendation and I think man such a cinch now it's shooting fish in a barrel to see these old classics back then you just it was the luck of the draw although there were a few revival houses that would show old movies but again, you couldn't choose what they were showing you got their monthly schedule and then todd as it worth going out there to see this movie. So, I had a real fascination with old movies, end celebrities and Comedians as a matter of fact, on the plane out here from Saint Louis, in sixty two red skelton was sitting in the seat in front of us and several seats in front of him was Andy Griffith and I thought wow. Life is really like I love Lucy where people just bump. Into famous people everywhere. I'm still on the airplane from Saint Louis to Los Angeles, and there's two huge TV stars here and Skelton was wonderful. My older sister was crying because her boyfriend didn't make it to the airport in time to see her off. So Skelton Giver as monogrammed Handcart Jeff and then my sister was interested in in drawing and art and sketching. And so skeleton drew. With a pencil he drew the still life from the front of the menu was when the head Menus on airplanes. And then for me. He had one of those pop guns that that you push the back in court came out on a string and he had that tucked inside his suit jacket pocket in every now and again without saying anything, he would just turn around and shoot me with the little pop gun. I'm sure he would be. You know wrestled to the ground by security trying to get through airports now with a weapon hidden in his name, but it was in sixty, two sort of thing was okay. So Red Skeleton kept the stole your children amused on the long flight. No propellers wasn't a jet to L. A. and boy was I disappointed once we landed it was years before I saw anyone that I ever recognized again I was spoiled by that that flight I think the first celebrity Assad after that was character actor Jesse White, who was the Maytag Repairman and he was also in Harvey with Jimmy Stewart editor at a restaurant But it was always a kick to see a celebrity. As my mom would say, she would say is that someone over there as if you don't really have value unless you're someone I've seen on the television set or theater at his isn't that someone look over there that guy isn't he someone? So I realized that it was put at a premium to be something of a celebrity or familiar face your adventure with groucho began when you were in college because you were basically a man on a mission, right? I wanted to meet Groucho Marx he was my favorite easily far and away my favourite when I you know finally discovered the Marx Brothers films I just did whatever it took to to finally see them. But I knew that Groucho was in his early eighties and increasingly frail health and I thought I'm never going to get to meet him I did get to see his one man show at the Dorothy Chandler pavilion in in late nineteen, seventy two. ticket was nine dollars and fifty cents, which was a fortune for me. Now, you can't park there for nine dollars and fifty cents. But even from the back of the Dorothy Chandler, it was electrifying to realize that there in three dimensions in front of me at a distance was the object of my affection and I clap so hard that my hands were stinging the next morning because it meant so much for me to know that clapping from my two hands was reverberating with his eardrum 'cause I knew that that was the the closest I would ever get to him. And my big consolation prize that night was going down into the parking structure afterwards and I spotted Zappa marks the fourth brother, the straight who I recognized from interviews. So I thought well I can't meet Groucho by can at least meet Zippo and I went up to him and I said excuse me Mr marks just wanted to tell you how much I've enjoyed your films and he said You want enjoying me you are enjoying my brothers. And I thought well, that'll teach me to deliver a compliment to Zephyr marks. A little. Did I know that inside of a couple of years he and I would end up dating the same woman very strange how fate works out but that was down the pike a bit. And then so after seeing Groucho in person at the Dorothy Chandler. It fueled my my obsession I mean after all fan is just short for fanatic. That's where the word fan comes from an I was you know like the obsessive fans of today except I just wanted to meet him I didn't want to marry him or kill him things that people do these days. And there was a a restaurant, a pizza place in Beverly Hills called Jacobus pizzeria. and. I went there with a friend of mine and I saw it on the menu. They had the Groucho and I thought well, you know it's like at the delicatessens where they named something after all the Comedians 'cause the came in once you and I said the waitresses Groucho Marx really eat here and she said Oh. Yes. As he was here a yesterday as a matter of. Fact and he was so funny he always comes here right after we open and tries to pay with a hundred dollar bill and he knows what we can't make change for it and I thought you foolish woman why are we wasting Groucho on you with the pizzas and the hundred dollar bills I want thought should I camp out at Jacobus pizza you know I was just desperate. And I ended up starting committee at Ucla where I was attending to put pressure on universal studios to re-release animal crackers which hadn't been seen in decades hadn't been on television. It had been made at paramount in nineteen thirty but in the late fifties when MCA. Universal bought the paramount catalog of older films that was included in it but because essentially a clerical error. the copyright had expired and the rights reverted back to the writers and the composers of the stage musical animal crackers, George Kaufman Maury risk and Harry Ruby and Burke County. Mar.. And the wizards at universal didn't think it was worth spending any money to untangle the legal problem because they thought that's just pouring money down the drain and all black and White Marx brothers movie that people haven't seen in years. We Wanna put important things on like airport seventy five and downhill racer. You know the real classic films that people will remember and fifty year. So, I I manage to get in touch with Erin Fleming who was the woman that was really she had started out Groucho secretary then became as manager, and as he grew weaker from age and hardening of the arteries and some strokes, he grew more dependent on her, and she really was in charge of making the decisions in his life and she convinced Groucho. TO COME TO UCLA to help us publicize this group of kids that are trying to get this Marx brothers movie off the shelf. And so I finally got to meet my hero and I said Groucho. I am very happy to be meeting you after all these years and he said, well, you should be an Erin Fleming said, this is Steve stoll Yar. He's the one who's trying to get animal crackers released and Groucho said, did you get it and I said not yet but we're working on it and he said, well, you better get it or I'll fight you. and. I said, I didn't realize I was working for you how much are you paying me and he said a little less than nothing. And we were off and running I. my heart was pounding out of my chest as I sat next to him and we answered questions from the press. I mean there was a real crush of students because Groucho was speaking and soft voice and they wanted to hear what he said it. Just what I just had to keep pinching myself that here I was next to my hero chatting away as if we're too old Powell's when in fact, I was just internally sweating up a storm. And in fact, universal relented and. Cleared the rights and decided that they would show it in La New York and then be done with it and didn't WanNa hear anymore about it. And ended up of breaking the House record at the USA Westwood that had been set by the French connection several years earlier, and it was very gratifying for me to be at a coffee shop and Westwood because it was Ucla and see the line all the way down the block to see this old. Marx brothers movie that nobody thought anybody would care about and then had another premiere in New York and Groucho went there for that and was just almost trampled by the crowds. They had police on horseback with batons trying to keep the crowds he was almost torn apart like Frank Sinatra the Beatles or something. and then as a reward for having gotten this I, mean it was a labor of love to finally get it. Seen again because all march. But that was the holy grail for Marx Brothers fans because it was their second film and Groucho was captain spaulding and it had one morning. I shot an elephant in my pajamas who was a classic that everyone knew about but no one had seen now they could finally see it. So I thought well, my work here is done but no. It was just beginning and because a couple of summer jobs fell through that year seventy four for which I remain eternally grateful that they fell through. I called Erin Fleming and said, is there anything at all that you need some one that and she said, well, actually I used to be grouches secretary but now that I'm his manager. We need someone to handle all of the fan mail that's been coming in and to organize all of Groucho memorabilia that's going to be donated the Smithsonian. And we need someone who really knows their Marx brothers. And in in my mind's eye, it's it's like a tex avery cartoon where she still talking on the phone and I'm already at the doorbell in Beverly Hills and she still thinks she's talking wasn't quite like that. But that's sort of how I remember it and I figured I'd be working in some office building on Wilshire. Boulevard and maybe he'd come in once or twice a month to sign checks and I'd get to see 'em and an errand said no dear, you'll work right inside his house. There's a room here you can use for your office it was his last wives painting studio and you can come and go as you wish and make your own hours and I thought. They're paying me money to come and go as I want inside Groucho 's house covered with memorabilia and all these wonderful photos and letters, and of course, Groucho himself just down the hall and I was always welcome at the lunch table. There wasn't any sense of you know the help should eat in the kitchen. So even if it was just groucho in me and no. Famous celebrities that was fabulous because I got to listen to his stories and ask all the questions I had been dying to ask him. You know I won't say that we became friends I. think that overstates it'd be easy to inflate my importance because he so few people to say that's not true but it was more than employer employee. I would say it was sort of like. an uncle and nephew sort of like an affectionate mutual appreciation. He appreciated the fact that I was into all that old stuff that that at you know I was nineteen when I got the job and and so because I cared about, George Gershwin and the Goncane round table and and their movies and all that he realized that we weren't all a bunch of parts smoking rock and roll hippies that you know. Maybe there was some hope for the younger generation because you know I expressed myself well and and cared about the kind of music and pop culture that he did. and. Then there was also. Appreciating him for being wall someone who knew personally people that seem mythic to me like WC, fields and George Gershwin, James, Thurber, and Irving Thalberg George S Kaufman, these people you read about he was friends with them, and then also, of course, he was a man from eighteen ninety. He was a nineteenth century. He was literally Victorian she victoria was on the throne when he was born in new. York. He his first-hand memories went from before the Wright brothers to after the moon landing, which is just a staggering trade. Of history that he was witnessed to. So just hearing, talking getting to know someone that could talk to me about what America was like the turn of the century was just it was just such a rich experience for me. Now being such a big movie buff and especially fan of the Marx brothers when you were archiving some of the stuff of the Smithsonian. Were there things that you had in your hands you actually felt like you were holding the holy grail. There was something that I wasn't able to see. Unfortunately, he had in his film collection. There was one real of sixteen millimeter film and on it on the box in grotto's handwriting, it said the Marx brothers in central park many and Harry Ruby on a horse. And unfortunately, the the guy who had who would come by to run things we tried to threaded into grouches machine and the sprocket holes would break in the leader and we realized that it was selfish of us to try to watch this because it would probably destroy the film. I honestly don't know if anyone ever transferred that I'd like to think it's at least safe if it hasn't been transferred, but then now you're talking about. Brittle film from the late Twenties and there's I don't know maybe the odds are against it, but that was something that. But there were so many things I mean photos of the brothers out of makeup from Vaudeville and Lee scripts with grout shows annotated changes to the lines from when they'd take the shows on the road and see which line got the bigger laugh and then they change it. Just, a remarkable assortment of just like waiting ankle deep in in clippings from Vaudeville, and you know letters from Harry Truman and Irving Berlin and just A. Remarkable. A sketch of the three Marx Brothers by James Thurber and Rube Goldberg drew a picture. Groucho. Just. Amazing. But really it was the humans that I interacted with that left the biggest impression. A lot of his famous friends came over to the house and like you said you, you were welcomed guest at the table. Because they didn't know who I was. So. There was no. Of know who is this person? I think they figured if he's in the house? I don't know whether he's Groucho chose grandson or what but I, guess he belongs here. So no one really had any kind of attitude. I also found out that. trial and error that I, felt a stronger kinship to groucho friends than I did too Erin Fleming's kind of Quirky flighty younger set of Hollywood even though they were closer to me in age I was much more of a kindred spirit with his old writers and directors and you know what? People like George, Burns and Bob Hope would come by and it was just a remarkably rich experience and then they had like Groucho they appreciated. That you know a kid like me. Knew what these guys were talking about, and now I'm sixty five and a now I've. Now I've become one of those old people that when someone says, Oh, my granddaughter was watching Monkey Business was laughing at Harpo and I find myself thinking is very reassuring to hear that some of the kids appreciate this old material because it asks a lot of millennials. To sit still for a black and white movie that's filled with references to that were a you know instantly understandable in nineteen thirty one but what does it mean to them now? Then there's the whole political correctness thing which drives me crazy where people retroactively are politically correct like why did Groucho to flirt with that woman on you bet your life and look at her sweater or why did that? You know why do they have to have a bunch of happy dancing black people in the barnyard with Harpo that's you know that's so insulting and it's like it that was one, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty, seven stopped trying to so it asks a lot of them to see things in historical perspective. And of course, I run across any number of people even in their forties and fifties who just can't place the name and it's kind of sobering to mention the Marx brothers nothing, Groucho the mustache nothing and you know I've gotten past being upset or thinking will the Ignorance stupid because you know it's like there's so much for them to see at at any given moment, all the channels, the Youtube, all the everything, and the marsh with is made like twelve movies. You know, why would they know about these things although when I was growing up all my friends knew who these people from the twenties and thirties were like. Well. That was before I was born. So I have no idea who mark Twain was bringing that up I was wondering if maybe you could actually help me out with this situation. I told a couple of people that said Oh talking to Steve Stone, your who who works Groucho Marx, and like you said, they give you the blank look like was that. What do you take? What? What is the best way to make them get like the real feel I mean, if you know if I'm just you know getting groceries at the store and someone notices that my watch has the march brothers on it and they ask about it, I'll just give them a really quick. They were these four funny brothers that made comedies in the thirties and forties and We're really popular and by that time leaving the grocery store but. Certainly. There's no such thing as explaining something to someone and then they laugh you can't do if you don't get a joke and someone explains that you don't delay laughed. So you can't expect someone to appreciate Groucho Marx Brothers through description. There's really no substitute for just showing them something and then there's no guarantee that they'll relate to it or they'll think. There was a guy was working with once at a production company and he was a couple of decades younger than I was and he hadn't seen any Marx brothers films. He was in his thirties and instead of saying you dare to engage in conversation and you've never even seen instead he thought will if you think so much of them, I'm gonNA check it out. He got duck soup I think it a video rental place can ask your grandparents, what video rental places. So he saw duck soup which for me was them at their best you know at the people have different favorites they they. Made a trio of films thirty, one to thirty three monkey business horse feathers and duck soup, and it's like this Golden Trinity of the finest purist mark stuff it's like they'd cleared their throats with the first two films that were based on stage plays and we're kind of stagey coconuts, an animal crackers, and after duck soup they sort of were tamed when they went over to mgm and they weren't as crazy and surreal but to me duck soup is their best and craziest. So I asked I said Chris. Oh. What did you think of it? He said I don't know I don't really like slapstick. And I thought, you've relegated them to slapstick your. This is not the three stooges. This is this is you know sophisticated but of course, one of the charms of the Marx brothers is that they were a blend of physical comedy I. Mean You know Wallpapering Esther Muir in a day at the races is connecting that Larry Moe and curly could conceivably of done but the thing that was made it. So winning for me was that you had you know harp does pantomime and the physical stuff. You know snipping a cigar with scissors and cutting off someone's to see details and. And then you had the brilliance of Groucho jokes and the broken English interplay with him and Chikako. And you know when you see the names rolling by Georgia's Kaufman and S. J Perelman was one of the great wits of the Twentieth Century wrote for The New Yorker it's this really interesting blend of sophisticated humor and and yes slapsticks I was disappointed he didn't like duck soup, but my initial thought was. Your you sold them too short i. know you never got to meet Chico or Harper because I believe they had passed. They not only had they passed, but they were dead. Chico died and sixty one and Harpo died and sixty four. So I was just a kid then there were still three Marx brothers it depending on your level of knowledge. You think there were only three but no, there were five. So zippo as I mentioned before who was the straight man in on Broadway and in their first in their paramount films the first five films he was still around he left the act after duck soup and became a very successful agent. I mean he ended up representing Clark Gable and Carole. Lombard Barbara Stanwyck and Robert Taylor and Lucille ball and Land Turner, and he was very highly thought of in the in the world of agents and then his brother Gum oh, had been the original straight man in Vaudeville and left the act to go fight World War. One. And when he came back, he he stayed out of the business except that he ended up representing it was interesting. ZAPPA was a highly thought of agent, but he never represented the Marx brothers. It was gum. Oh, that represented them and represented Groucho through you bet your life. So Zeppelin Gumbo lived in Palm Springs and I did get to meet them on several occasions and as I mentioned Zep ended up asking out a young lady that I had been dating at the time. After we broke up I had taken her to dinner at Groucho 's house when Zappa was visiting from Palm Springs and she was young and attractive Blonde Hair Blue Eyes head great personality. And zepos kind of captivated by her he apparently, he kind of picked up where Chikako left off in terms of womanizing. And gambling and he had recently divorced Barbara Marx who then married Sinatra became Barbara Sinatra the Grahn dom of the family. So after she and I broke up I figured well, he's been around the block a few times. So I sent him a letter asking if he had any advice for dealing with the heartbreak of a breaking up and he called me. I was. Kinda floored that he called me from Palm Springs Steve Zappa marks how are you listen? I got your letter and I would never WanNa step on your toes. You understand that but did do you think that Linda would go out with me? And I thought wait a minute I'm asking you for advice and you're hitting on the person I'm asking about I. Mean She was Nineteen I was twenty and he was seventy four but she had gotten a kick Outta meeting Groucho House and I said, well, I'll Let me see and I'll let you know. So I saw her on campus and I said, you'll never believe this but Zeppelin of and she sort of what's just intrigued at the idea of the experience of it. So they went out. Once he said I took to dinner in San, Diego and a high ally game in Tijuana, I guess that that was Zepos idea of a first date was at dinner San Diego and a highlight I. don't even know if they still play high alive that curved. Scoop thing kind of handball against he said I want you to know I never even kissed a good night. I want you to know that She was very nice but really all she did was talk about a self. And then I saw her on campus and I said how how did your date go what's up and she said he was really Nice but you know all he did was talk about himself. I thought you know very interesting. But thereafter, whenever I'd be at a party at Groucho ZAPPA would be there. He would introduce me to someone and say that this is Steve. He's a nice fellow he and I dated the same girl but he got further with that I did and that was my official introduction whenever Zippo was there. So he was you know he was great fun. Really he doesn't get the credit he deserves because he came in. Late, in the you know the the other three brothers characters were well formed by the time. ZIPPO join. So he was just sort of the handsome romantic lead guide and I don't think he gets the credit he deserves. But a lot of people say that off camera he was the funniest and he really did the room lit up when he? Would come in and he did have a great devilish sense of humor. He's you know at that dinner when he met Linda, he said you know you and Linda come down to palm springs and visit me some time and I said I don't know I was there when I was about nine and it was just beastly hot and he said well, when we were there in the summer and I said Yeah and he said well, you know Steve It's cold in Alaska in the winter too. So words of wisdom. Zephyr. Marks. I I know in your book you actually mentioned the situation with Aaron, Fleming? And I know that they were obviously issues there and there was also a battle for the conservative ship to over. Things took A. got. Quite, dark coming it was like my dream came true over and over again getting to spend time there and getting to know Groucho and become a trusted member of the household and all that. But between GROUCHO CHOSE FADING HEALTH And Erin Fleming She was a volatile personality who was later diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic and also took prescription and recreational drugs because this was the seventy S. it was that was a volatile mix and she was volatile to begin with. So it was very difficult dealing with her her mood swings and she would perceive enemies where there weren't any and then when there was someone who was her enemy, she would laugh it off and it was, but he was kind of. Dependent on her and so it was a difficult. balancing game to stay on her good side assuming she had one and I ended up being the longest surviving employees there. So I guess I did something right but there was a big fight over conservative ship in his final months between these warring factions. One was slamming and her friends and the other was Groucho son Arthur. And his friends. And it's one of those the color of truth is gray situations where you're not really dealing dealing with heroes and villains because Arthur had sort of distanced himself from Groucho and they had had their own rocky relationship for years before Aaron even entered the picture. and Aaron had said that if Arthur were ever in charge of grouches life, he'd put him in a home which Groucho was afraid of. So it was very difficult trying to navigate between these but I was actually could in charge of the House on weekends and had to be sort of a traffic cop as people would come to visit him depending on whose team they were from. They didn't want to run into each other because it would get shouting matches and all this. So it you know and I would reflect on the idea that I had been hired just to handle fan mail and send out autographs and take things into Groucho and take dictation and stuff and deal with the memorabilia. And here I was towards the end I ended up being there the last three years of his life really looking out for his well being you know making sure that the the nurses shifts and who who was coming after this, and did he have any plans to izzy going somewhere or someone coming to visit and what will be a good time and it was a remarkable I mean I was it was very gratifying to be able to perform that kind of service for him. Because I had thought you know well, I helped get animal crackers release and that's pretty cool and then here I am. My fading hero, whose is like reliant on my judgment on at least on the weekends when Nat Perrin who was grouchy chose longtime friend and writer friend was made temporary conservator. It was You know it was kind of A. A raggedy fade out for Groucho unfortunately. But that's often the case with you. Know I hear from people who've who? Read my book raised eyebrows and they've said it. It really reminded me of when my grandfather was. was fading out or are head a friend a wonderful old woman that was like a grandmother to me and I know what? That's like to try to look after some one. You know there was a certainly a dark side to my experience there. And so now the book is being developed as a film and it, and it will, in fact, be essentially a drama because it's it's the story of this fading Elderly Legend in comedy and this ambitious younger woman, and then this wide eyed innocent kid dropped into this petri dish and You know it has elements of my favorite year and my week with Maryland and even like sunset boulevard to some degree. What did his brothers think of all of this when the oldest was going on? Well what I found was the people who didn't spend that much time around Erin. Thought she was great. Because she would be on her best behavior. You know I would meet people who would say I don't know I I went over there once an I thought that she was really wonderful for him and my answer to that is also a lot of pictures of OJ Simpson and Nicole Brown looking like the sweetest most romantic couple in Hollywood. So you can't you know there's people that drink but they drink in private or they're they're you know they're spousal abuse and that sort of thing, but they don't do that when they're at a restaurant. So zippo thought Erin was great for Groucho and you know as I say trump is gray she did have. There were positive elements to what she brought to Groucho like renewed interest in him and the Marx brothers so that he sort of went out as a legend and she did tend to get him. You know more excited about. TV appearances and socializing and that sort of thing because when she came along, he was had just divorced his last wife and just was rattling around by himself in this beverly. Hills House. So she did you know pick them up and dust him off but. His. Longtime friends. Really, questioned the wisdom of doing that since he was. You know fading and she was very ambitious, but there were positive elements to it. So a lot of the people that came by occasionally thought that you know boy, he's lucky to have someone like that in his life at this point I'm but as his Cook Martha said, he's lucky to have someone in his life but very unlucky that it happens to be Miss Fleming. and. That's Kinda sums it up. It's funny that you were basically in your twenties when all these celebrities were coming to visit him and you really have the presence of mind to write things down like this is going to be a great book. Well. No I was certainly not thinking that but. One of the great things about the experience was that I knew and could appreciate who these people were because I was an old movie buff and because I had read the Groucho letters and a lot of the people he had written to where people that would come by the house. So I would have the you know my brain would flip to the ROLODEX card of that person and say, and so my okay Nat Perrin, he worked on monkey-business in duct soup. And he co created the addams family and Groucho called him the Deacon in the Groucho Letters I. Don't know if you've had the experience of meeting someone when you're younger and then years later you appreciate them and go oh if I'd only realize that that's who that was I'd like to go back in time and ask them what was it like or I loved you in this movie I, didn't recognize you at the time so I was able to appreciate everybody except. One person, which is a pretty good batting average one groucho oldest friends was arthur chic men who was one of his writers at paramount and Arthur's wife was Gloria and Groucho always just referred to her as Gloria she c'mon and she'd come over for lunch and Gloria Chic coming over. She's very attractive. Very pleasant. What I didn't know was that was her married name and that she was glorious Stewart who younger generations know as the old woman and titanic but. If I had realized that's who she was. I would have thought Oh my God she was the female lead in the invisible man with Claude rains and the old dark house with Boris Karloff, and she was directed by James Whale and she was in the the the gold diggers of nineteen thirty five directed by by busby Berkeley and she was Shirley Temple move that was the only time I struck out with the names because he only referred to her as glorious chic. But otherwise as each person came through, I knew who they were and I could appreciate who they were. So in terms of taking notes. You know it's funny. I had a screenwriting teacher UCLA and he said I. Hope you're keeping a diary and I said, no, I'm not because I've been there for six months already and so I've already missed so much to write down what's the point of starting now if I had known that I still had two and a half years left there I would have done that but I did. I did make a habit of one groucho said something funny or there was a funny exchange with him and some friend or a guest or an interview or something I would run into my office and scribble down on a scrap of paper not for posterity but Sylvan. Then go home and tell people or writing letters to friends of mine who were at different campuses around America and say Groucho said this funny thing and often when they were interviewers, they were people left some groucho -'s funniest stuff out because they would be at the interviewers expense. Like one time Groucho, sang a song for an interviewer and you know Groucho sang in his movies and the brothers started out a singers in Vaudeville And the GUY, said. Where did you learn to sing and Groucho said I've been singing all my life where where did you learn to write or maybe you haven't. And I remember this other guy said, how has movie making changed since the days when you and your brothers were making movies and Groucho said, they didn't used to have toilets near the sound stages but all that's changed now. and. I said Oh really how so And groucho looked at him and said, people don't piss anymore. Like what do you think? They now have toilets near the. People don't piss anymore. That's a good title for something. Great. Yeah. So I still had you know it's funny. I still have that clump of scrawled notes and the now large rusty paper clip holding them together. But those were things I was able to sprinkle into raised eyebrows while I was writing it. people had told me over the years. You ought to write a book about because they take me to launch and they'd ask about specifics and I would tell them. Yeah. This. I met that guy and here's what happened and other data but I never thought they'd be a book because I, thought I was such a footnote to his life I came in at the end you know not during the Halcyon days. But I thought well, maybe I could put the best things together and have an article for esquire Vanity Fair or something. So I sat down also I've had a passion for archaeology and history my whole life and I sat down like an archaeological dig going through all the newspaper clippings and magazines and mementos and signed things that had from twenty years earlier. This was in the mid nineties I started doing this. And I started piecing together Jigsaw puzzle of my Groucho experience and I also asked friends to Xerox Send me copies of the letters. I'd sent them because I would just a piece of paper in the typewriter hammered out and send it off and forget it. and. So bit by bit I was able to reconstruct that whole period and then while I was I was like I I was on page nine and hadn't met Groucho yet, and I thought I think this is going to be longer than an article. Then I worried that it would be too long for an article too short for anything else. and. It would be lied have like a thirty five page something pamphlet or Because I I mean I worry every chance I have I worry about things like that. But shown enough I ended up with a book length manuscript and after. A wave of rejection slips which took a lot out of me because people were friends were so supportive saying this is great. This is it's like this is a glimpse into behind the scenes of a Hollywood legend and always people you write about no one told these stories before did a and I thought Oh goodwill this'll be easy and my cover letter would say this is not a biography of Groucho Marx. This is a book about a fan in his hero the and I would get rejection slips back saying I'm sorry. But we're not interested in any Groucho Marx biographies at this time and I, think you idiot I said that that's did you get past the first paragraph of a cover letter? But. Eventually it it found a publisher and then. About. Seven or eight years ago, I wrote A new postscript chapter catching people up on what happened to the people that had written about plus some of their reactions to the original book. And So then it was reissued by bear manor media and it raised eyebrows might here's my little plug my years inside Groucho 's house and. It's in. Paperback and Kindle and audio book with me doing all of the voices and narration, and you can easily find it on Amazon, and if you do want a signed copy, you could go to my website WWW dot, steve stoll earlier T. Sto L. I. A. R. Dot Com and order one, and I'll be happy to inscribe it to you or whomever you wish and send it off. But apart from that you can find it on Amazon and as I say, it is being developed as a film I don't know exactly one that'll happen. They're hoping that it will go into pre-production by the end of twenty twenty. we will see I will definitely keep my fingers crossed because I know it'll definitely be an interesting movie. If you haven't heard about anchor, it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. There's creation tools that allow you to record editor podcast right from your phone or computer. Anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on spotify apple podcasts and many more pod casting platforms. You can even make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast all in one place download the free anchor APP or go to Anchor Dot FM to get started. Let's get back to the Sherpa. You stayed in the entertainment field because you did a lot of. screenwriting and it really. Changed I mean it sounds like a Hokey cliche but. It changed my life immersing myself in that atmosphere and as I say mostly because Groucho old friends, not errands strange strange younger friends. And it was just so appealing. I'd always had a sense of humor but never thought I could do anything with it apart from just be you know pleasant company. And as I say, I, was a history fanatic. So I was a history major at Ucla for the first two years and wasn't really sure what I was going to do with it become an archeologist who teach history or something. But while I was working Groucho, I shifted to motion picture television majors focusing on writing and after I graduated after Groucho died I got a job in the steno pool at universal typing scripts from eleven to eight every day pushing rockford files and Kojak and Colombo's and animal house was one of the scripts I helped type and Melvin and Howard I remember thinking Melvin and Howard sounded really stupid disguised a motorcycle with an aging. Howard Hughes and ended up winning best screenplay that year so so much for my judgment in that. But and again, one of the things was realizing that a lot of the stuff I was typing wasn't. All that. Fabulous. So maybe I could actually do something like that, and you didn't have to be a Pulitzer Prize winner. To sell a script and it was in fact Dick Cavite whom I met by corresponding with him. During my groucho days who hired me to move to New, York and right for him at HBO and that was another astonishing adventure. I lived there for two and a half years and we became really close buddies we still are but it was great when he was just to cross town bus away. And I'm he introduced me to Woody Allen and now he and I are friends and have correspond and He's he's been like a both of them have been like big brothers to me not in the Orwellian sense and Yeah and I and I then I came back from New York. and went to work actually back at universal and it was weird having been a secretary there and then I had a secretary and it was and I knew her from when I was in the Steno Pool. So it was very weird to say, could you get me so and so on the phone and I kept expecting her to say Steve, who do you think you are? But I ended up writing Simon and Simon and murder. She wrote and the new. W K AARP and Cincinnati and sliders and have also you know worked producing some pop culture documentaries of done voice work for different animation and radio things and. And as I say wrote raised eyebrows and then more recently. Co wrote a book called the imperfect storm from Henry Street to Hollywood with my friend Howard storm who is I. Think you would say a character he's a great guy. He grew up in the mean streets of the lower east side of New York and the depression, and he he was it was a really tough Jewish neighborhood. You know there's so much is written about and filmed dealing with the Italian mobs and the and the Irish mobs but listening to Howard, stories, there were some tough Jews in his neighborhood I mean his father grew up. Being friends with Louis Leakey Buckhalter and murder INC and I mean they there were mobbed up. That they circulated with, and then when Howard became a young stand up comedian immolate forties, and into the fifties he was working at mobbed up. On the East Coast dealing with made men and He actually one I love this story and and it sounds apocryphal but he swears it happened he was at one. He was at one club. That was run by a man named Schalke Naples in Ohio. They were like the Naples brothers that struck fear in the hearts of anyone who heard of them and so Howard. was at the microphone doing his act and this guy came running behind him across the stage and running after him was a guy in black and he fired a gun at the guy right behind Howard. So Howard freaked out and he ran and hid in the kitchen and shaky Naples came over and said what the hell are you doing here and Howard? Said there's a guy on stage and he shooting and Naples said is shoot at you. And he said, no, he says, thank you get back out there and finish it and he had to go back out. He said his lips were dry and cracked and his voice was wavering and he had to hold onto the Mike stand but he got through his act. There is a sort of a twisted logic to well, you know if he's not shooting at you, what are you complaining about? So he ended up powered, ended up getting better gigs when he was represented by Jack Rollins who represented woody, Allen Dick Cavite and Mike Nichols and Elaine May and and mort Saul on a lot of just upper-echelon fifties and early sixties comedians. But the as the cliche goes what he really wanted to do was direct. And he was able to hang out on the sets of the money and run and bananas and actually. Helped out on them in various ways and study. How would he did a movie did movies and then? He got his big break when Valerie Harper allowed him to direct a couple episodes of Rhoda and the mid Seventies. She knew him because he was an Improv teacher and they sort of moved in the same circles and she was impressed with his stage staging of things. And that led to him being really sought after director he directed the first three seasons of Mork and Mindy every episode. So he's got a lot of stories about. About Robin Williams and how Pam Dubber doesn't get the credit she deserves and comparing and contrasting the improvisational styles of of Robin Williams with his hero Jonathan winters. And there's just a lot of fascinating show Biz stories. So I. Co wrote it with him I sort of got myself into it. and so I had no excuse for not working on with them because for years people would. People would talk about what a great storyteller he was. You know a lot of these old guys that are able to tell these long involved stories that just get funnier and funnier. And one time I said to him. You know Howard when you go you're taking all of these stories with you. And there was a pause and he said. I know myself and I know I'll never do this I'll never get around to it. Will you write it with me and will be partners and I thought well, what am I supposed to say? No, no I want you to do the book but don't call me and it really was this wonderful experience and one of the things I brought to it was bringing out some of the darker elements of his life because. There's nothing wrong with it just being a compendium of funny interesting show business stories but when you have things like death and divorce and crises of confidence and career setbacks. Things like that I think gave it more texture and more richness. So wasn't just and then I met cary grant and then Judy Garland and I went here and so those things are in there but you also get a sense of who this guy was. He also was was blacklisted for a few years not as a communist sympathizer but because he testified on behalf of Valerie Harper when she was fired from. The sitcoms she was working on. And he was expected Howard was expected to side with NBC The corporation and say, yes, she was difficult to work with and she was late and there were justified. And instead, he stuck up for her on the witness stand and at one point the the attorney for NBC said. You would you consider? Miss Harper of friend. Yes and as a matter of fact, didn't she give you your first directing up she did on Rhoda and you're grateful for that aren't you? Yes. So, wouldn't it be fair to say that there isn't anything you wouldn't do for Miss Harper know what wouldn't you do for her lie? And he said he looked and he saw harper's attorney whisper something in her ear and she told him that what he said was we just won this case. And in fact, they did and they won millions for wrongful termination and Howard. was on a number of Schlitz because of that because he was not expected to side with the Star but he you know he had such integrity and he said it was a real struggle for a while 'til 'til that faded away and he was able to get gigs again but he said, what made him really proud was when his kids would come home from school and their parents. Run the business and they would say we heard what your dad did and we think that was really cool and brave of him and so he he was able to feel the gratification of his kids pride and anyway it's an interesting book Woody Allen, loved it and and Richard Lewis said. It's one of the most gratifying read Pam Dover Cepheid known you were that connected. I would have been to work on time because his Ali's gangster stories interspersed with it so. If you look on Howard IMDB page. As you can see, if you own a television set for like the last thirty or so years, you've definitely seen a program that. I mean he did some Laverne and Shirley's he did newhart he did everybody loves Raymond. He worked with a lot of standup people. He also was one of the funny guys in the. Delicatessen in Broadway Danny rose. Where they keep cutting back to people telling Danny rose stories as a matter of fact, because we'll Jordan recently died Howard as the last surviving member of the circle of funny old guys in in Broadway Danny rose. So yeah, he's been an actor and a director an Improv teacher and stand up, and he's just a great raconteur and so I'm really pleased to have helped him get his stories down and draw him out and you know I used myself as a litmus test for what the people that talked about if they'd be. Of interest to others he got to know, Desi. Arnez back when he was still with Lucy and had some really interesting observations about how creative and what a great problem solver Deshea was. So I wanted him to go into detail on that. 'cause you never really hear about do you just think well yeah, he's the Cuban bandleader that played the Cuban bandleader on I. Love Lucy Howard talked about how Lucy and Desi ended up owning our KO studios and turning it into Desi. Lou after Lucy had been there as a contract player in the thirties. and. Desi used the cans of I love Lucy film as collateral 'cause. CBS didn't think they'd be worth anything just figured you do the show and that's it but desi thought nobis may come in handy that he you know Howard said there were all sorts of times when. When people would be perplexed on the set and Lucy would be upset thinking I. Don't know how we're going to work this out as he would just come in and go what are you talking about you? Just you'll get put this here and you move back and you'll cut are seen the phone and boom boom boom and he would solve the problem. So there's a lot of their stories about people that you know but you haven't heard the stories he worked with zero mastel when my was blacklisted in the fifties. 'cause the blacklist only applied to film and TV, but you could still get gigs on Broadway and in the nightclub. So Howard Gut to no zero and work with him. So the imperfect storm did you know him through the army's Army I did and do yes. Briefly your arms armies a group of mostly older folk and I guess I hang out with them because they call me kid I mean some of them are in their eighties and Early nineties it was started because of a guy named dicky army who was a character actor who was Don Adams brother me being their actual last name and Dick. Army was dying of cancer and so this group would get together with him and take his mind off it by getting together for lunch and eventually became a month once a month dinner and they would make him laugh and they'd tell stories on all that and then when he died. At the after the funeral, all the guys were standing around saying, why do we have to stop doing this just because he's gone and so and I this was way before I joined at. I mean at the time there were you know it was people along the lines of Don knotts and Harvey Korman and Tim Conway and Shaky Green and Pat Harrington and Tom poston and Pat McCormick and Chuck McCann. You know the unfortunately they're gone, which is which is why they allowed me in because there was plenty of room for people who weren't a bad caliber. It's still great hearing people swap stories, and I at least have some that I can contribute from my own experiences or things that people I knew told me stories at Groucho told Mayor Dick Cava told me? And Howard is sort of the unofficial chairman of armies. Army calls it to order each month and we raise our glass to Dick Army, and also we mentioned which celebrities died that month, which of us are having a birthday that month, and then we have kind of mediocre Chinese food tell stories and then say goodbye till the following month. But that's Howard and I got to know each other and he recently said that choosing meteorite right it with him was one of the smartest decisions of his. Life, which was really gratifying here, and then we had sent a copy of the finished book to Woody Allen even though he had read the manuscript and gave us a great blurb obviously, he was entitled to A- complimentary copy of the finished book with photos in it, and that sort of thing, and he wrote me back and he said, thank you for the book I look forward to rereading it because it's so damn entertaining. You guys really aced this one and I thought wow, that's big. So That's some of what I've been up to. Assist incredible going back to what you said earlier lots of people. They don't have that sense of history when it comes to Hollywood and it's good that they're writers like you can bring that out, bring that to life and flesh out these people and show them. They were real people and these were their stories. Thank you. Yeah you know and and you know with the groucho book with raised eyebrows. I didn't WANNA I didn't want to attack in savage anyone but I also didn't want to soft pedal the negative or human weaknesses of them. So there's very few people I mean, as I say even with Erin Fleming, there were a number of positive things to say she wasn't just evil incarnate and there was no one who was just had no flaws at some people I've talked to some people who are made uncomfortable by 'cause they just wanted to remember the. Groucho from the thirties and from you bet your life and I understand that. But these are humans that live and grow old and die, and also I think one of the things that runs through the book is that Groucho sense of humor even though it took some sledgehammer blows from time and illness remained and you know just when I would think he would be passed saying something funny he used to I was bring him the Hollywood trade papers and then he'd come to lunch table and talk to me about the clump of male I brought him. One day he sat down and he said wonderful male today nothing but requests for money. and. I said but you got variety didn't you and he said, yes a variety of requests for money. which is exactly as he would have phrased it at any point and that really that never that that flame was never completely snuffed out even when he was on his death bed at Cedars, Sinai Hospital drifting in and out of lucidity at very much towards the end the nurse came by and woke him up, which is you know one of the things nurses do as they want you to have a good sleep and then the they wake you up to do something and ruin and Groucho said, what are you want and she said I wanNa see if you have. A temperature and he said don't be silly everybody has his temperature meaning ninety eight point six. So even even you know in his last days with all that he was coping with physically and mentally he couldn't resist twisting align handing it back because it I mean the mechanism was so strong. He had so much more at the end and a lot of people have at their best I will include the links to your books on the show notes. So if anybody who wants to check them and also to your website as well if they want to sign copy sure. Because as Groucho I believe once said Of A, dog a book is a man's best friend inside of a dog. It's too dark to read to read. Yes. Right he's naming Steve's don't lear those books the imperfect storm from Henry, street the Hollywood, and also check out raised eyebrows my years inside. gauchos. House. Thank you so much. Okay. Take care. Very special. THANKS TO MR Steve Stolen for coming on down to the Sherpa screening room and thank you for listening. Hey, if you're interested in reading Steve's books, I'm including the links to both of his books and imperfect storm and raised eyebrows in the Sherpur director sheet you. Know, the show notes yet that's IT and also I've included the link to Steve's website and speaking of website. 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The Sherpa Screening Room- Meet Frank Ferrante! (Season 6 Finale)

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The Sherpa Screening Room- Meet Frank Ferrante! (Season 6 Finale)

"Podcast that you're listening to. You is being presented to you. With the cooperation of the s j network. If you're a person who needs a publicist and you want to appear on podcasts. Contact stephen joyner at s dash j dash network dot com. Let's get on with the show. Hey guys today's interview with frank. Ferrante is the season six finale by know. Do you know he's performed over three thousand times show marks. That's amazing isn't it. it really is. Guess what. I've done three thousand times. I would guess that. I think children are listening to this episode. We're not seriously retention rows of the shirt pollution. Today's podcast is being sponsored by audible. The home of audio books and podcast were there are over one hundred eighty thousand titles to choose from for your iphone android kindle or mp three player if like a free audio book download and thirty day. Free trial go to www dot audible trial dot com slash sherpa. And now mr bruce will lead you into the sherpa chalet as a reminder. Although our yeti is friendly it is advised that you stay away from him. If you are a kardashian were coming to you from shosha. Beautiful downtown mount podcast. It's time for detained interviews in the sherpa screening room grabbing niles seat and a bucket of popcorn at don't cringe too loud or you'll miss the show. Now he's james podcast Rebels and welcome to the sherpa screaming room and vis episode just happens to be the season six finale. But what finale it is. we've got a great guest. His name is frank ferrante. He is an actor and he's been the star of an evening with groucho and has done over three thousand performances of the show along with all the other stuff that he's done in his acting career really fascinating guy. A great story and this connection with bow chill marks and his family is really fascinating. We talked a lot about that to start with this obsession with groucho as a kid and is really just going on through this day. Really great story. Frank was really fascinating. Speak to now. I know some of you might be wondering well. Maybe you too young or something like that. Who is this groucho marx. Well before you listening to this interview. Here's what i want you to do. Go to crouch oh marks dot com and that's a website that frank actually owns the rights to. There's the video right on the screen. Six minutes of how funny. This man was an incredible. He was in the movies and then go to frank's website cold evening with groucho dot com. And you'll see video clips of him doing his. We can't really call it an impression of groucho we can call it a tribute to groucho. Because that's what it truly is and the similarities are just uncanny. You'll be amazed you will laugh a lot just as you will enjoy this interview so that any further do you. We are the season six finale in my interview with frank friday. Hello rebels we are here in the screening room and this is a real treat today. My guest today is actor a writer and a director and he's won all sorts of cinematic awards such as the new york's theater world award for outstanding debut. A new york outer critics circle nomination. One ines laurence olivier award nomination for the comedy performance of the year washington. Dc's helen hayes nomination and to count do connecticut critics circle awards and he was picked a top ten theater performance by the wolf journal in two thousand seventeen and in two thousand nineteen chicago tribune picked him as a top ten stage performance for his role in. Ti throws zami. I hope i can see that right. But we are talking to him because he has played in amazing over three thousand performances of an evening with groucho. And we will talk to him today and we'll get to know about him and the connection with groucho and we're gonna have a lot of fun here so say a nice hollow to mr frank ferranti frank. Welcome to the show. Thank you jim. And thank you for that wonderful introduction. That i wrote. I mean that you read. I appreciate it. Thank you for letting me be with you and your guests and your listeners. Thank you this is a real treat for me frank. South you originally were spotted by groucho son. When you were in college this this started as true. I've been a long time. Marx brothers fan ever since i'd seen the marx brothers in a day at the races and the neighborhood kid knocked on my door and said frank you've got to put on the tv sets. Why because just trust me. And so i did. And it was the marx brothers in a day at the races who are just wreaking havoc. There are so outrageous and wild and fun. Jim the exhilerated me and i became a fan right then and there and went into my local library and started researching their comedy and the comedy of that era twenties thirties forties fifties and also that expanded into an interest in the current comedy at the time. Which was the nineteen seventies. People like steve. Martin and mel brooks either settlers etc. So that's how it started. So when i was studying theater at the university of southern california jim i decided to put on a one man show about groucho. Marx called an evening with groucho. I thought well. I'll combine my love of live performance with my love. This particular comedy and i had the gall. The bravery the kahane's to invite groucho marx. As son who i was portraying in this senior project on campus and i invited groucho marxist daughter mariam and i invited morey riskin who had co written marks brother classics like animal crackers night at the opera. This guy was huge so they all showed up on my campus. And that was the beginning forming. So i I did the show. Jim and arthur marx. Who was a playwright. A suit since he's passed away ten years ago. He said frank ever do a show about my father again. I'd like to use you. And i thought yeah right but he stuck to his word. I graduate three months later in kansas city performing as groucho marx and arthur. Marx's play groucho life in review. In which i play groucho from age fifteen to eighty five and i'm twenty two years old. That show moved to new york. That show then moved to london and years later it was filmed for p. b. s. television so a lot has happened since nineteen eighty five when this all happened. That's thirty six years ago. But that was my star and arthur marks became best friends. Can you imagine that you know. I'm playing mike era of comedy being directed by end and in a in a show by the son of my info was saying it was a surreal experience. And you actually met drought show when you were a kid. Did i did jim. It was I was a fanatic for him. I just thought he was so. It was so brash. And honest. And i was a shy self conscious kid like a lot of kids and i went to catholic school and the nuns were kind of Well they were threatening us. It was pretty a pretty tough. There were hidden kids. And i. I think i wanted to treat the nuns. The way groucho treated everybody in his movies. And so he became a real aero- for me an alter ego so in nineteen seventy six. I was thirteen and groucho at the head less than a year to live. He was almost eighty six and my father took the day off of work Marks which was what a great thing for a data do and so it was in la at the ambassador hotel. My dad takes me there at noon. No groucho three hours later. Groucho finally shows up and he. He's ancient. he's much more feeble then he appeared in all those talk shows like did cabinet and merv griffin mike. Douglas and johnny carson. He just. he'd seemed like someone who was on his way out. His eyes were glassy jim. He was shuffling barely move yet thick glasses and his trademark beret but he did not look like this man of steel in. he was my superman. He looked like a very frail old man and it was devastating. And there were. There were a thousand people. At this event. Jim to cheer on groucho marx mostly younger people college age twenties because he was a hero of the of that crowd. He was a and this was just after the vietnam war and a lot of young people identified with his anti-establishment style of humor. He was so wisecracking an anti everything so to get to the story. Groucho finally shows up. I follow him to the podium. Mike i'm supposed to be following like a duckling. I sit at his feet and there are thousands thousand people there ready to root groucho will. He mumbles to the first part of the presentation. You'll scanty hammer can you. Haley has said no no joke right now. Eight waiting for a joke. No joke just an old man mumbling and finally someone asked the question groucho. Are you making any new marx brothers. Movies many looked up slowly and said no. I'm answering stupid questions. And a thousand people erupted in laughter and then it was just unbelievable. The body was shot. Jim but the the mind was still still see. The gears were still grinding away. And then a woman asked him groucho. What do you dream about. And they looked at our in said not you so everyone lost it so you know he had some. He had some great one liners. The talkback was done deflated shuffled off into his limousine. And i watched him at my cousin. Take some photographs. As he went off into the sunset and ten years jim to that week i was playing eighty five year old groucho in new york. It's the same as it was amazing. I was twenty three years old. When i opened off broadway but that image. I had that day stayed with me still stays with me. You know what amateurs later a. while back. I interviewed a writer named steve stoll earlier. Uh-huh and he lived in groucho house. Right right as as a young man he did. He was a kind of his archivist answered as mail for him. Yeah and he said even just as you're saying even towards the end he said the it just never went away. It stayed eternally sharp. That was his defense mechanism. That was so. That's how i got through through humor Through jokes and making people laugh. I think is take was a life is painful and challenging and unfair and this is how i'm going to deal with it and he figured out his way to survive and he did it Obviously artfully because we still consider. Perhaps the greatest funny man greatest comedian of all time certainly from the at the united states over produced. So maybe internationally you'd be ranked tie up as one of the top. Two meetings of all time. I noted there's people who are just a little younger than me and they don't have an idea who he is. And i just want to say you have to watch the movies and just just appreciate the comic timing of this man right well. A very unique style of delivery as well and fresh in others. If you listened to his radio shows of you bet your life. The quiz show did for fourteen years. Well how come back to your life. Saving sacred widened divider. An extra hundred dollars anti common wide. Something new every day right. That show was so successful. Art of it was just part of the american scene foot throughout the nineteen fifties late forties into the early sixties. With that show you know. I think it does appeal to all ages. And i can speak to it because i have performed the role over three thousand times. I've performed the role for all ages from children to non adjarians. I have played in multiple continents. I've toured australia. I played small towns big towns townsend between the south the nor the midwest canada london. Am i guess my point being. Is that the humor has appeal whether you know who he is or not and away in a local who is surprised. Says frank is like you're doing missionary work. You're out there spreading the word of the of the style of this particular comic genius and and it's it's one thing i do in my career. It's not everything. It's been a constant which grateful for I've been certainly fortunate to work in different roles direct different shows and musicals and and i have my own character that i do in the cirque the circus world the du soleil type world but groucho is such a. It's such a potent character is so strong so free so outrageous was the a video that i did the show and there was a four year old kid and jim. This kid was loosened. He couldn't believe. I was playing the piano with my but i was like just like sitting i was. I was sitting on the keys and hopping up and down with my on with my rear end on the keys. And this kid couldn't believe a grownup had licensed to that. You know because the and that's the beauty groucho does what he wants to do. And he says what he wants to stay in doesn't blaze by his own rules and for a child in the end for the child within us it. Exhilarates it thrills and this kid. I said the kid. After i played the play the piano with my rear end. I go and i think i used to play by ear. And he got into got a big laugh in the kid was just losing it. I've played like a a new york. London you name it But i remember being alamogordo new mexico and in the audience. Jim was a ninety four year. Old woman would seem the marx brothers on tour with animal crackers post broadway and there was a seven year old sitting next to her. And they were laughing at the same improv. That i was putting out there that was extremely satisfying. Just to make a different point. I'm not crazy about tribute shows. I certainly appreciate great. Impersonators friends or amazing genius Impressionists impersonators but the show really. Isn't that it really is an evening with where you feel like. This is what it would have been like. Brcko was still alive. And you have the and you've got the set for with them for ninety minutes so it's it songs. Storytelling one liners bits from the films and stage but the third of the show is improvise which gives it which means that you don't have to know groucho to get into it. You have to like laughing at the like improv and live theater and so i think that's what makes it spark jam and i think that's what sets it apart from other shows that have been you know playing the performing arts center circuits or regional theaters or new york or london. It's an unusual show. It's part part biography. Part stand up comedy part musical part play. You know it's it's it's it's it's it's odd hybrid and when you're improvising. You're doing it in the style of groucho as as he would have answered those or acted in those situations as well so there must be a little bit tricky for your back there. Well it is. I've had a lot of at bats. Says they say. And i played for a lot of audiences. And you're doing it to survive you. Learn like if. I'm florida in sam in jupiter florida or west palm beach plan a matinee. It's gonna be a lot of older people. I learned fairly early on not as early as i wish. I had that that audience is giving you everything they can give you. They can't make the same kind of noise. That i want or laugh as hard as loud as i want. They can applaud. They can't respond as quickly as a younger house. Which is you know. I love certainly having that immediate response jim and the show actually is not really designed for an older crowd because of has an edge. But i've learned more from playing the tough crowds than those easy routes. Because you're forced to pull stuff out of you that you didn't know you had it you drop the script you you do. Whatever it takes to cut through an audience. And i've had to learn that how to gravitate to those who look like they're having fun how to avoid those. Who seem a little shy about the interaction. that's something that just happens over a period of years and hundreds of hundreds of performances. So i dance your question. A the improv and working crowd is it can be challenging the do within groucho style. But i have been fortunate to have a lot of experiences. You know the only other person that i can think of who became a good friend of mine who toured with a stork figure historical. Figure like i have with ottawa's how holbrook with mark twain in mark twain tides. He did the show for sixty two years. He did that show and retired at age. Ninety two he just died this year at ninety five and he really showed all about all of us who are actors who loved the act that you can do it. You don't have to retire at sixty two or sixty five or sixty so that if you love it and you've got something of of consequence that matters you can keep going. So he's my hero and he's been he's been my hero says i saw him when i was first -veloping the show at usc. When i was twenty years old. And i saw him at that age and then again we became friends about seven years ago and treated me with such love and support and it would say natural successor. And he'll this guy is a tony award winning emmy award winning oscar-nominated he's considering the greatest character actors probably all time certainly in the theater and film last half of the century so as an honor to be around him and he's my you need. Inspirations we all need. Inspirations groucho inspire me. Wanna be in the theater to not just play him but also work on stage or confront audience and so i owe him that. He's a in a way as a mentor. His son was was the one who hired me. So i oh i oh that family that marks family great deal and i and i have nothing but respect and affection for for them. There is such a tie in to graduate. I mean you've done an evening. With groucho groucho life interview. And you also did groucho in coconuts. I did i did that. Raw in eighty six. I did groucho life from review off broadway. That's the show. Arthur wrote which i played groucho from fifteen to eighty five and ten years. Later i went back off. Broadway to play in the coconuts. Playing the groucho character alerted jim four days because i got married on the fifth and i had to fly out on the six. I opened on the eleventh replacing. An actor who was already doing it off broadway so in that show. There is a credible farcical. Santa door slamming. Seeing that alone should take four days. There was a tango. There was like a hundred plus pages of dialogue. Because he's you know he's a verbal comp duxing so it's not as simple show to learn but i did it and it was fun and i've done. I think five or six productions of animal crackers in regional theatre in some of the best theaters in the country from goodspeed opera house in connecticut to the huntington and boston to atlanta lions the paper mill playhouse in new jersey. I mean maybe your listeners. I'm i'm throwing this out because maybe some of your listeners from these regions but you know i've i've been really lucky in the fun of jim is i got the meet. Somebody i get so many great people people that come out to see the shows people that work at the theaters. People like you. Who are doing me the favor and the gun of the of putting a spotlight on what i do and you get to make friends in this world which means a lot when you're traveling performed because i'm away a great deal so my friends ended up are the people that work in my shows or around my shows but are at hotels restaurants were cabdriver know now uber and drivers you know i had some interesting conversations and connections with people around the world because of this this life that i've chosen the or joe's may in a way a while back I'd seen video of you. Doing an interview was on the news program. And you with william marks who was harpooned son. That's right bill marks. there's not a lot of the offspring still alive from harpo and chico and groucho zappa. But there are few at bill. Marks was har pos oldest son. He adopted four children three boys and a girl and a great a great advocate of mine and he lives in the desert you know in rancho mirage area and so i was doing my show there two years ago and and he came out to help me on. The news was the mccallum theatre in in palm desert. And you know it's so fun to be around those who knew them and to get their validation and to It means a lot. And i really grateful that they see that. What i've done is perpetuated the legend the legacy and that means a lot to me. Because they've given me so much joy and jim before i go on stage. Every night i enter from the theater from the house as myself. A little spoiler alert for those who will see it eventually will see the film version next year when it comes now when i'm in the audience what i say to myself when i'm when before i enter share. The joy meaning share the joy. That i get from them for the time. I was nine so my job is to share that joy that exhilaration with an audience as simple as that. And it's it comes from a very pure place it's not jaded place it's like. Wow i really wanted people. I didn't realize that people knew who groucho was. I thought i was the only one that was my own private heaven. Oh wait a minute. It's not just me and the tv set. There's a whole world that thinks he's spectacular. And i haven't stopped yelling brow. Joe's great which is what. I yelled when i met him when i was thirteen when he walked groucho. Great anyway that day that fateful day in one thousand nine hundred seventy six. But i've been yelling. That ever since. Jim and because i think people somewhere like that and not a lot of them could make generations laugh and still can make people laugh that is what a contribution to the planet. That is i mean boy. Do we need to laugh. There's so much you know. Plenty of sadness disaster and it's really the laugh makers that have made my life better and the music makers between humor and music you know. We're we're well covered. It sure makes a difference to have that kind of those art forms in our lives in a time. Now where you hear. The words cancel culture and people get written off because of a joke that they made or tweaked written yet. Here's a guy who was doing comedy in the thirties and it's still revered as an icon in comedy right and i think i don't think he'll ever get canceled. I mean he certainly had a strong point of view. What works for him is that he made fun of everyone. Men women anyone who had power doctors lawyers professors politicians. He made fun of romance. And the institution of marriage and traditional relationships and then his his persona wasn't just a leering figure just wasn't chasing or in eyebrow giving the eyebrows to women there was so much more to his persona. Look at one of the movies. And you go. Oh my gosh this guy is. He's such a great physical and verbal performer. Probably no one veteran film and groucho marx. And in my show honestly i might even come close to offending. I'm very careful about i. Because i am sensitive to it that my show is directed by a woman strong woman we certainly want to show to include yet still edge still have a bite to it. And we've i think we've accomplished that to get what you're saying. Yeah he holds up still. He holds up a still fresh. That have something to say and has meaning and probably the fact that you have the support of his family. You're representing him. The right way where you see these bio-pics of certain actors and singers and you can tell sometimes the the celebrities families i know. That's not the way it happened. This wasn't the type of person that he was but yet you're you're presenting groucho as family remembered him really. Well i think it's an honoring I come to it with a with a great deal of love and affection. Yes and to get back to what you're saying. I've seen films on famous people that were brutal. And that becomes the kind of the permanent record. In a way you know the one on liberace. I thought was horrifying. The way they you know he was shown exactly the way he did not want to be sane and he had no saying it and to me with the way that some of those intimate scenes were were just talking about a breach of trust and a violation. That that's my opinion that's tweets and i think everyone has a battle go through in life. He did you do. I do roger. Does you're listening to it. Doesn't sell tickets to show the complexity of human. It's it you sell tickets showing extremes of a person when you have two hours or just a book or documentary. It's easy it really takes someone down well. Lives are complicated. Groucho outta complicated Personality persona life and it was a long life. And i've been reading his letters and he was was a caring person. There was a lot to him. He was a complicated guy. Not just a cigar waving clown but The body was work will stands the test of time block after work on those films. Tv show is his image. He really is the face comedy. I think jamming the mustache. The cigar the eyebrows. I wanna take a little detour for a second and you know there are other roles that you have played too. It's not it's not just been great you folks. It's grew directing some neil. Simon plays as well. I have either. You know there was a great theater in philadelphia called the walnut street theatre which is a. It's an historic theater. It's been there since eighteen nine. It has the largest subscription. anyone who's anyone has played their overtime from marlon brando to the moore's helen hayes. The marx brothers played there in one thousand nine twenty three. It was a big a big hit. They had over there in a show called l. seychas that that led to their first broadway. Show so i've worked there on and off for almost thirty years so i've directed a great deal performed a great deal there and it's my honor to play there because there's so much history and anyone who's in the area needs to go just visit that theater because all they've maintain the history jim so when you go into the lobby there's photos and chronologies and and mementos and ops that you can check statues reflecting the various stater and the different shows and personalities and talents up. Come through so to answer your question. I've done a ton of i love. Neil simon because you know he's funny and he's sad a. He's a logical successor to george kaufman. Who wrote for the marx brothers. Very witty the a witty writer as kaufman. And hart were woody riders in the last few years jim. It's interesting if i never did groucho. i'd still have this kind of wonderful career. I'm very fortunate. I in the last few years. As you've mentioned i got direct and perform in a funny thing. On the way to the forum at this venue and philadelphian you know got national coverage and in two years ago to be picked as a top ten to play the character. I do was crazy. It's the caesar. Which is this. latin lover insane character. Who loves every you look at. You allows them ladies. The men dogs cats is is not discerning. Just want to love and be loved. And it's a very funny character. That's inspired by vaudevillians rancho it's interactive and that shows go is going to be playing again hopefully for the from for six months from the july july into january. I'll be in chicago. Playing the caesar in theatro zinzan's which is insanely fun role to play. And that's that's a show for the it worth for your listeners. To look up it's it's a vaudeville. It's a cabaret it's a burlesque show that has actual all over the world jim. I'm talking the best. Tony award winners. The s jugglers areolas acrobats contortionists singers clowns and the clowns. And not the not that party clown i'm talking about great european great comedian clowns. It's got a full band. It's god's it's all in a tent. A hundred year old tent from belgium called spiegel tent and it which is a it's burgundy velvet curtains and stained glass in hand carved wood. And it's it's in the round in the and the action takes place in the middle of the ring. Nine foot diameter. That's where i do all the comedy. All the acts happen over people's heads or right around them right at their tables. That i've spent i'd say twenty years doing that show on off about two thousand performances so i was happy i wasn't doing shakespeare or arthur miller or but they still picked my performance. That's chris jones of the chicago. Tribune picked it as a top ten. He saw the e saw the kind of the value. What i was doing. He saw this guy's really. He's been doing this for a long time when he's funny and he deserves to be highlighted. And i really appreciate that because sometimes you feel like as a theatre actor jam. You feel like you're you do your stuff and it's in the ether. It's in the air. It's gone son a movie on a tv show so imagine i have thousands of hours of performance that don't exist. It's a strange thing and it's done. You don't have anything to show for it and you're not making the kind of money you'd make certainly with film or tv early is a calling and you know. I love being part of this tradition of the blind performance of the theater. Emma theater guy. And that's where i come from but Thank you for acknowledging my other job. That i do aside from the groucho. You know it's funny. I'll get other gigs different in different media. Because people see me. Like i was on. Rob cordray's show Children's hospital which is insanely success was Emmy award winnie edgy. Show on swim on adult swim. And i play a talking mime on that. Because he'd seen me play the caesar character into atrazine johnny. My friend mark veneer knew me from groucho said well. Why don't we put you on garfield. He was the director of that animation. Another i had one of the executive producers of spongebob had seen me twenty five years ago when we were both in our twenties. He saw me performance graduate. He gave me a role on. Spongebob squarepants so. I got him a lot of those things which was great because my kids loved the show at the time. So did i but just to be handed. A role is really rare. The way i get workers from doing from people seeing me. I don't really have an agent. That is sally me or publicist. I do it all. I'm doing everything myself really. I think people think that. I have that and that lot of performance have that but most of us don't most of us are are self generating that go back to talking about the shallow little bit that evening with groucho. Now it's basically just you an a pianist and you do a couple of groucho songs. Curricular captain spaulding lydia the tattooed lady. Right there's music throughout it's a ninety minute to act comedy with music. The divisor the convention. The jim what would have been like to spend ninety minutes groucho marx. In his heyday. Let's say around one thousand thirty six. He never did that. He never performed alone until he was in his eighties at carnegie hall so he never in the thirties he was with his brothers are pro and check. Oh so this is my own fantasy kinda show. It's my fantasia put put words like this is the show that i would want to see groucho and it's evolved over like i said thirty five years thousands of performances into what it is currently and it is like it songs and underscore and and the show needs to work whether someone knows groucho marx is or not right. I mean it doesn't. It shouldn't matter. Because i'd i had to think that maybe ninety nine percent of the audience doesn't know who groucho marx is and the shoney's succeed based on my efforts based on my commitment to my madness my energy or skill or whatever you wanna call it and fortunately always knock wood works because people stand up every show and they get the no this guy that i'm inhabiting and for many it's an introduction to groucho marx and i often bring a kid onstage as you may have noticed that ship. I started doing that years ago. Right and i remember being back. I got my first equity job. My first professional job in kansas city. At tiffany's atta dinner theater and those guys took the show to new york shortly thereafter. My point is there. Were kids that saw me shows back then and they'll show up after a show twenty five years later and this one guy was like at a beard. It looked older than i was like. He goes to me. I saw you when i was seven years old. Mister barone tei so my gosh. don't depress me but in a way it does and it makes me happy that i still have. I had this longevity. And that i'm still doing it. You know and this year as you're going to magin has been brutal the year of the pandemic. We're starting to see light at the end of this tunnel thankfully but it's interesting that you bring up about the being the kids on stage because i thought wow here's a guy who is just so amazed by groucho when he was thirteen and he's got kids that age or maybe a little bit younger and they're coming up dates and they all look like they're having a blast. So you're you're passing the baton sets you know it's fun to see multi generate model and multiple generations responding to. You're saying it's really remarkable in when a kid sees this character like my character behaves badly. He's a bad boy he's inappropriate. He's road he's a impolite He's he's politically incorrect and they sense it they see it for even if they're four they're going. Oh my gosh. It's so they get giddy like this one kid. I was telling you about because it's so freeing who were all have to play by the rules and we're always tied to the rules and there's something about comedy really great. Comedians that free assab that led us experience. The truth and can take us on these wild ride stories. I i'm i'm grateful to the funny people in the world. Why don't we talk a little bit about your show. That's coming up in chicago and it should be open naturally by by the time airing well. It's a show. It's called theatro zinn. Zannini it's a cirque show cabaret show. It's a burlesque -i show abroad ville for those who know what that means which means a series of it's a variety show a lot of acts and i an essence play the host. I'm the mc and it really does hearken back to vaudeville. When i was a little boy reading about jack. Benny and the marx brothers and george burns and gracie allen and fannie brice nettie kanter and al jolson the these are all vaudevillians. I wanted to be like those guys. Jim and this is as close as i could ever get. I've like i'm the lead. I'm the i'm the headlining comic at a great vaudeville with the best acts in the world. I've performed so imagine so. It's very fast moving. But it's like a three hour entertainment. You get a gourmet meal. You have a live band play music from you know the american songbook to modern to jazz to pop in incredible musicians. It's a whirlwind of entertainment. There's nothing like it. The first time. I'd know when i first saw twenty years ago i was blown away. And you don't know who is part of the venue in the restaurant so-called restaurant which because they do serve a meal and who's in the show it debuted can't tell because the performance some we'll come off as you know the the wait staff or the crew there in. It's so cleverly done. But i've worked with joan baez in that venue worked with on monta. Vecchi won the tony award for nine at work with martha davis of the motels. I worked with sally kellerman in that show. So many of francine reed who sings with. I love one of the great singers. I mean the list goes on dre awebber. Who's this famous aerialist. So i've been. I've been lucky to be around all this insane. Talent and then every every act is is like death defying. You've got like a foot juggling chain three brothers literally. They're juggling each other on their feet when they call. Rollo rollo. bulla acts which is a guy with a plank of wood on barrels and they stack them up and try to balance themselves. And you know. It's these people are fearless. And i we learn from each other and what i do is pretty fearless too. Because i don't know what i'm gonna say from moment to moment. Generally i mean i have outline but you know the audience always makes a difference when someone's you know. I'm playing off the crowd. Jim so it's different every night but so that show the show is is a is a well lauded. It's you know it's one of these shows that it's been a smash in seattle. It started out in seattle and san francisco and now chicago is where it's plain and i done that role also amsterdam in a show called palazzo a few years back so that it's all happens like i said under one hundred tents and it's gorgeous so it's elegant body nadi fun experience in disneyland for adults but what the real edge visit. Disneyland is little to To sanitized away that way but the point is it does. It has the same breathtaking effect on adults. That disneyland dozen kids. It's so fun. And i hope i hope you'll get a chance to come out and say it sometime this show that you're that you've been doing. You're making a movie adequate. Frank ferrante as groucho. And that's gonna come out in two thousand twenty chewing springtime. That's right that's right so after almost thirty five years of doing the show. I'm in cincinnati at the cincinnati playhouse in the park. Two time tony award winning venue great theater right. Great actors of come out of this theater. And i got a seven week booking there and this was the set for the show was the most fully realized it had a marquee. It was so beautifully designed by tamra honesty gorgeous. I said this would be the time. We're going to film it film with just set and we had also projections. He's great visuals of the march. But there's in their peers so we shot over several days jim. We had invited audiences. There was a hand held camera that was able to capture all of my interaction with the audience. Oh there was a camera right behind my shoulder on the stage with me sometimes and in the audience so you feel like it's different than any other taped live show that i've ever seen most of them look like our cable videos. You know very just one shot. That's it and even the big time shows that have been recorded. It's hard to communicate a live. Show it unless you're there. Well this one that succeeds and and it's going to get airplay on public television in rolls out about a year. I'm very proud of it. And that is basically the film version of an evening with groucho. Skull frank rentiers groucho. Because it's the show opens and closes with me as me talking about my love of the character. So it's my there's only one groucho and i'm not him. I'm an interpreter interpreting him. I am an actor who filtering him through my experience right in my work so if you want to see the greatest meeting go watch duck soup or night at the opera but if you wanna get a sense of what it might've been like to be with him live this show. I think is a good indication and it's a lot of fun and it's a big laugh. Show which makes me happy. And they're not a lot of shows that make you laugh from top to bottom anymore. The pri when i saw the producers. Jim with nathan lane and matthew broderick. That's the last time i heard such riotous laughter. I hadn't heard much prior in a in a major theater. So anyway i really. I'm excited about it coming out. It's been thirty five thirty five years in the making the hundreds of performances. But i think i think again if you're a marx brothers fan or not people are gonna enjoyed if you like the theater like comedy if you like live performance if you like stand up even because it has a standup quality to because of the audience work the crowd work. That has evolved over the years. When i did this as a when i was twenty one perhaps twenty one twenty two i. I didn't know how to ad lib. I was just figuring it out in and you figure it out as you go along people. So did you study improv. Did were you in the groundlings or second city. Or whatever i said no i just i learned from doing that role in this other role that caesar dumb and studying the great comedians. The when i do outreach. I always tell students just as part of what they need to do. In terms of their training is to study the masters. If you're going to want direct study the great directors work if you wanna be in comedy study comedy the beginning to end. Who's who's hot now. Who was hot one hundred years ago now before i let you go i have two requests okay regrets. Let's let everybody know where they can follow you and get information on your upcoming shows in projects. That's nice of you jim. It's it's evening with groucho dot com. Not an evening just evening. With groucho dot com. I just redid the number proud. I just redid the website and scott some good info and some also fun that i because i am owner. Roger marks productions which represents the name and likeness of groucho marx. And a new site. That it that has everything on groucho. Marx groucho marx dot com so evening with groucho dot com for my show groucho marx. Dot com for groucho. And you can follow me on facebook on an evening with groucho to have a nice following there. Just were just. I put stuff out there on a regular basis. That's going to entertain related to the shore. Comedy or groucho marx and a lot of like minded people are on that site and make up discussions and so forth. Before i let you go a gamete did let me hear one of your favorite groucho lines. Yes take it. Well got quite a few. But i'll give it a standard one. Okay ron moaning. I shot in my pajamas. How jama's i don't know. I like this line. Mental age is when you go to bed at night and hope you feel better in the morning all ages when you go to bed at night and hope you wake up in the morning. My voice is rough. 'cause it's it's it's nighttime here but anyway those are great lines. What other lines at either. So many those are two. Those are some of my favorites though. He's relentlessly funny at his. You know there's so many great stories that i love the one where he's at the anti semitic country club and they say can't use the pool because he's with these jewish they started. Mr marcia can't use her what we don't allow jews to swim in our pool and he says what about my daughter she's only half jewish can go into the water up to a waste. You know that. Just i mean come on. I mean this is what he was groucho. And enclosing groucho groucho cared about his. He'd never made it past the sixth grade gym and was self conscious about his lack of public as formal education and he read everything and was more brilliant than any college graduate. He kept a dictionaries. Father is a son told me in his glove compartment. I have one of his dictionaries in my home here so anyway on that note. Hello i must be going well. You went out tiger hunting. We're all the monkeys throw nuts. If i stay here i'll go nuts. They have it in a way. I hope your listeners. Out some groucho. We were kind of serious about talking about it but sometimes comedies series business so there's lots of entertainment to be had an in regard to help your listeners will check him out and check out the show to thanks. Thank you for your time job. Very kind of name. Is frank ferrante. Check this movie out when it's coming down and just not wait till you see if an evening with groucho is going to be near your town and go see. It's thank you so much for coming out front. Thank you sir. Collision dot com very special. Thanks to frank orontes for coming on down spending a little town at sherpur screening room and thank you so much for listening this season and if you missed some episodes well we're on your favorite podcast app or you can even go to my website so now a lot of websites today i know. Sure pollution dot com. That's the one in every episode from the beginning is right there for you to check out from the beginning to right now even two episodes after this one amazing that these websites can do these things so technology but thank you for joining us and next week we of course do our our industries and wrap up so please tune in and you can hear about what you've been missing and we talk about what's been going on with the show and things that you can find out about the show if you haven't been listening for very long so thank you for coming on by and we'll see you next time. Thanks for listening to the ship. A screening room. Don't forget to subscribe right review and share this podcast. I'm mr bruce and this has been a sherpa loose studios production viva la chapelle lucien.

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The Case of the Missing Master Muppeteer: Chapter 5

The Bureau Boys

17:57 min | 1 year ago

The Case of the Missing Master Muppeteer: Chapter 5

"Bureau. An improvised detective serial. Every Monday morning bureau boys solve crimes based on clues sent in by Varenne Bonnets. That's you go to the Bureau Boys Dot Com to submit your blues informants. Previously on the bureau boys I know somebody would come into. What's your name? As gwendolen benefits. Well love. Causey. Rings a bell. Rang every day known here down here he was. He was here. No. Of course he was here. He was here every day. I want to say two and a half years he was here he was my. Own He didn't live here but he was my apprentice, the bureau boys look up at the ceiling of this cavernous room and see strings hanging down. But no marionnettes attached to the basis of those strings only crosses with their strings attached. This is where they all died. Eight it's All right it's a watch. It seems time around us as broken not just this watch act Gwendolyn. You are not human. Could you tell us? What you are I think it's pretty evident. A. What's going on with US I feel like we've been at each other's throats since we literally held knives do each other's throats. You're saying that Timothy. Master. Timothy. Mutt Marionette. was annoyed with the marionettes caught all these marionnettes out and forged off on his own. You may take this knife wrapped in A. Swatch of. Timothy's most. Favorite fabric on the hilt of it is a clue. One long blond hair. Do you have any boiling acid down here? It's routing system. So detective pot goes up to the near Spigot and turns it on boiling acid pause out onto the law. And the room starts to feel with acid. Continues to fill the floor of the room. No one's moving everyone just standing still when all of a sudden the the the acid stops. All time stops bureau boys frozen Gwendolyn frozen the acid frozen, not a pin drop a breeze. Blows in it far thirty- the watches right. It is four thirty. Why did time pause at four thirty? Let's get Outta here. Thanks to inform and captain. BOJ is for this week's clue for the case of the MRI master puppeteer. Karl Marx Mask. You know like a Groucho Marx Masks call marks the bureau boys find themselves in a hot and sticky situation. The room that they were in with Gwendolyn benefits still failing with boiling boiling acid. Wendelin has disappeared perhaps through some other room perhaps. Perhaps, she's already succumbed to the boiling acid. The boys left alone. Have to figure out a way to get out before the acid reaches the feet. Look around the room. They see the the Dole way where they came in the acid has already pooling around. There's no other exits Matt's when they look up and they remember all the strings hanging from the ceiling, the Marionette strings. Riley Oh my God. The Mary marionnettes strings yes. Get on my shoulders a host you up I was GonNa say you could get on my shoulders but you are the one that always eats so I'll jump on your shoulders So detective Riley lifts with all of his mind. Getting detective pot up to the strings. He grabbed hold. Riley I got. I got one. I'm just going to give it a test to see if we can hold us both detect. Detective, Potter polls arm overarm blocking his legs around detective Riley Shadows and lifts both of the bureau boys off flaw in Eagle. You're flying detective potter, you're flying stick. I'm holding onto the marionnettes drinks I don't. Just. So under nurse I've been doing a lot of upper body work though detective Riley, okay detective. Potter. Starts to swing the bureau boys back and forth. So we can reach to the next string he swings to the next string then the next then the next swinging closer and closer to what appears to be A GAP DETECTIVE POTTER DETECTIVE POTTER Vet that gap is big enough. It's just big enough. If you can throw my body into it I think I could crush through the wall breaks Outta here and we can run for for safety. Okay. Okay. Potter swings back and forth. Detective Riley well, we're GONNA have to three count because I'm GonNa let you go on the counter three. Okay. Okay. I'm ready I'll start i. mean you start counting and then I'll I'll follow up with you. What if I say one you say to and I say three we'd never tried that before. It's so crazy. It just might work. Okay Ready. Yes. I'm GonNa let go of one three. One shoe three. That detective potter looks angrily at Detective Riley for saying three at the same time, but he's him toward the gap. Detective Riley toxin roles like. Sonic the Hedgehog twirling through the AD twisting tumbling couple of flips the wind has been blowing through the room catches detective Riley under his frail body lifts him further further along the room toward the gap detective Riley stopped tumbling just make yourself as straight as you can like a plank. Detective Riley. Straightens out his body at the last minute and slides perfectly into the gap as the gap was made for him. Okay. Detective Riley looks around but anything to break open the whole wider so that the larger body of detective product can fly through as well. Detective Potter. You're just a little too big. I gotta get this whole open just hang on hey detective riley fuck you detective Riley looking around and sees nothing he can use a crack open the wall. So he forces his own hands in gripping the rock and. Tearing with all his might to break open just a little bit wider to get detective potus little potbelly through the wall. Fortunately detective Potter's body sizes mainly made up of his gigantic upper body with all its strength. So he's having no trouble hanging onto the Mary and that's strings. But unfortunately, for detective Riley, he's got no body strength speak of the heaving and hind isn't doing the trick. So he pauses. To meditate on his powers detective, Riley, are you kidding me right now you're meditating at a time like this detector I know how long I have amazing upper body strength but I don't know how long I can hold onto these tiny little marionette wires. Scared me I'm home it that chief flow through me. Did you. Say Cheese. Yes it flows. Like a hug gooey paste and and just like that detectives detective. Riley's hands grip with sticky elasticity to the Rock and with all the might of a cheese wheel he rolls a rock right out of place Johnson, time for detective Potter to swing his way over to the gap and fit in perfectly to the widened the gap detect you did it the bureau boys hug. They jump around in a circle celebrating their narrow escape from the boiling acid we did it. We did it. Detective Riley. I couldn't. We couldn't have done it without without you. I can't believe that meditation trick worked I can't believe it did either. Now let's get the hell out of here agreed the bureau boy survey the tiny little gap that they've found themselves in. There's a staircase etched into the rock wall next to them that seems to lead up to where the breeze from earlier has been blowing from I. Wonder if this is the trap door that Timothy Marionette had fallen down talk the one that leads right up to the Jack in the box above us. Yeah. Yeah Hey look. Detective. Riley hoist the trap. Door. At. The top of the status 'cause we didn't mention the bureau boys attended the stays the bureau boys beat their heads through the trap door to serve Eddie area to see a deep fryer. A shallow Fryer I see a picture fryer. Talk. A couple vats of frying oil. Some. Scattered potato barrels and would looks to be discarded Halloween Costume Okay I. Think we're we're clear. Okay we still by the way detective rallied before we go up at Jax. Never found that guy from them. Mann's Chinese theatre, but he doesn't look like he's in here. You know you mean. To head. To head. He was a real creepy real weird voice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember I barely do. Should we? Do. You have a do you have a hunch that you want to follow here? Do you think Dickie's do you think he might have followed us here or he somewhere close by is going on? Does it matter at this point detective? Riley, there's so much. The happens we met to head. You're. Caught A. Year I'm getting caught up in the my new show. That's okay. We gotta get to a safe spot, a safe space, a safe place, safe house. So the bureau boys put their backs up against the trap door. Detective, rallies frail malnourished back and detective Potter's broad muscular back and they both heave the trap door swings open bangs onto the ground of the floor of the kitchen of the jack-in-the-box above them. Riley immediately makes his way to the friars. Checking to see if there's any French fries left. Detective Rally the Friars are off. I can't believe you can eat so much and still be so frail I didn't I haven't eaten in so long and you know that and I just used my mental powers to UN blige a brock in the wall. Okay. I channeled my cheese that is a good point. The Bureau Boys Survey the Jack of the box. Time that they've been in it since they found the underground cave beneath it, it's Pretty. Clean Kitchen. Yeah. It's really Nice Saverne abandoned Jack. In the box I feel like this still be a functioning kitchen. The bureau boys as they want around the kitchen noticing that the appliances are all still gleaming the stove is still spotless. Immaculate. Even though dust covers the entire rest the Jack in the box detective powder. Holds his hand over the oven detect rally. The oven is still hot. Oh my God. Look this detective. Riley opens the nearest fridge. The status stuck with with food. It's got cows. Pigs chickens tuna. To take. It's absurd to store your tune in the fridge the you just keep it in cans in the cupboard, but that's neither here. Nor there I, guess they like it fresh. The point is there's all this food the the ovens on this place is cleaned up. I don't know about you but I'm getting hungry I think I know about you detective Riley, and I knew you were going to say that you're probably going to say that you think someone probably still takes care of this place in might even live here. I. Don't know I was going to take my time coming to my conclusions detective Riley unlike some people I like to sit I like to consider all the facts and suddenly from behind a freezer. The bureau boys here a slow lapping. The help. Reveal yourself. there. From behind the freezer. Walks a young man will will will will will will will will will will. Would him. We hear the bureau allies can tell young because of his tight white flesh on arms and legs and and no. No gobbly chicken neck on his neck. It's smooth but the face. Hidden behind some mask but sticking out from all over the mask as long blonde hair detective Riley look at that hair. It's reminds me of the hair we found on the knife Gwendolyn US recipes maybe yeah. We don't know what happened to her it's neither here nor there would you like to know what happened Gwendolyn? Yes. I don't know either I what You were you were seem so confident that you had information that we don't have no I was just curious if you would like to know what happened to Gwendolyn, who are you anyway, what are you doing in this place? Well, don't you already know, detective? Potter. SIDEBAR. What do we already know? Yeah. I. I don't want to say but I do want to say and I'm pretty sure it's this Timothy Marionette the slow clap begins again from the man with the long blond hair will will will bureau boy Is it you? Timothy Mary Net. It is I. Master. Timothy. Marionette. To take your Riley. To take your, he's no longer missing. Well. Aren't I though. Well, we'll certainly hold on a second wait a second. We can't just take your word that your master Timothy Mary Net I don't even know. We've even seen a picture of the real master Timothy Mary Net. How do we know who's under that mask is master Timothy Marionette as detective Riley says this. The man behind the mask reaches for the mask, which by the way is a car Marx mask you know. Like our Groucho Marx. Masks. But of Karl Marx as the man slowly starts to lift the mask up. There's a sharp bang from the back of the kitchen. The bureau boys look behind them quickly they see nothing they turned back the man is gone. He's gone. We had him. He was right here. The man darts out the door jumps into the bureau boys car. And peels away. The. Bureau boys race out of the jack-in-the-box to pursue him. Well, the euro boys track down the mysterious man in the mask will they be able to gather any clues from the mask that was left behind which? Basque. Our talking about I was under the impression that the Karl Marx Mask might have been taken off in pursuit but perhaps it wasn't you're right no, you're right. No now I, see it. He did leave the best behind there. It is okay that look back. Perhaps, they'll be clues in the mass was the masked man master Timothy, Marianna what was with the mass man's accent was I'd have all over the place these and many more questions will be answered. Next week on Japhta six of the case of the missing master puppeteer. Yeah. If you enjoyed this episode helped Barrow boy solve this case, my seven York but bureau boys dot com they may use it on a future episode while you're there, why not join their informant network and tell all your friends and family to join too. But don't tell the criminal because of bureau boys comment for them.

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251. Kliph Nesteroff

Gilbert Gottfried's Amazing Colossal Podcast

1:40:47 hr | 2 years ago

251. Kliph Nesteroff

"This is Andrew Bergman. You're listening to Gilbert Godfrey. It's amazing colossal podcast. On the next number ten Franks colossal obsession, Jim Spar, Jim Spar. Why we're looking at your pod swag? Why do you guys selling Obama pin thinks you look your pin as? Look like Barack Obama during his administration. I'd have people like up on Twitter a picture of me next to bomb. Yeah. Slight resemblance. Yeah. Hey, go, Frank, Harold Iskoe. It's in discussing Edward mall hair. David McCallum mass. If he did my fair lady he actually did he replaced Rex Harrison on Broadway. And of course, mohair did Harrison's role in the ghost and MRs Muir. These are people additioning for your research job ball. Narrow this squid. Sinister. The. Brag. Gilbert, and Frank's amazing colossal obsessions. Every Thursday only Stitcher premium. This is Gilbert Godfrey Nisus Gilbert Godfrey to Mason, colossal podcasts would fight co host Frank Santo Padre in our engineer. Frankford? Awro set our guest this week. It's an old friend to returning podcasts once again to educate into Tena us and in the lightness about everything from how roaches collaborations with Mussolini to Fred Allen, dislike Avanzi Kanter to Ted Healy's out writing hatred of Georgina Jess and much much more. Heaves a former comedian story producer and TV host an occasional podcast and the author of bestselling book. That we can sit or the bible here at they show that comedians runs, the scoundrels and history of American comedy, which received rave reviews and was elected as the book of the year by the national post and LA times he was consulting producer on CNN's. He's streak of comedy when ever that shows on the air. About on about six hundred times. Yeah. Yeah. I get sick. What it would be on once and ten months late early. And then would come back on another channel totally different time. He was gone to keep up with. Does spike Jones produce funny how and host of his very own podcast. Classic show biz with cliff Mace Houghton those. Do that again cliff? What was that cliff? Nasal knows. Oh, drew will be so happy. Interviewed everyone fundamental groups this Steve Martin as well as former podcast guest. George slaughter. Montanari Bernie bell, Ronnie Schell, and dick Kavak just the name of you. Well, dumb back to the podcast demand that vice magazine once called the human encyclopedia of comedy and Maine who claims that former wiz in a vase munchkin. Jerry, married was one tired to he on a legendary Jimmy Stewart. Please welcome to the show. The incomparable, Colin no sold north. You don't know what an honor that is cliff? I do honor. That is thank you so much. I have your name mangled cliff. The great cliff nester office here is back with us. How the hell are you? And where are you tell our listeners? I am in Nelson British Columbia as it were because I'm not American I have to renew all my immigration papers. So I have to be outside of the country for a few months done. In the meantime, in my hometown of Nelson, British Columbia famous for being the shooting location for the Steve Martin movie Roxanne when I was five years old the first introduction to show business. I ever had was watching Steve Martin walk around my hometown. With the prostatic knows. I watched on the sidelines that entire movie being made a love that as a child. I just saw Steve Martin perform last night. He played the banjo as p played a sad banjo at Ricky Jay's memorial service. Airline york. Yeah. It was very very very touching before. We jump into anything else. I think Hilbert wants to know the Jerry Maron peeing on Jimmy Stewart's Jimmy Stewart at one point set off could. Could could you gotta famous metric two hundred. Yeah. I think it was for Jimmy Stewart's birthday party and some of his friends hired. I believe Jerry Merrin and Billy Curtis. The two little people of that era were very prominent in the nineteen fifties. And he said on location somewhere. It may have been Billy Barty. I'm going off the top of my head. I can't remember if it was Billy Curtis or Billy Barty, but regardless Jerry Merrin in another one of those fellas were hired to jump out of a birthday cake like a dancing girl. But in a diaper, and then drop the diaper start urinating on Jimmy Stewart. Now did Jimmy Stewart request. This was he into getting peed on. I don't know if he was into it. But it was a surprise birthday present for him. And that's a Cording to Jerry Marion's autobiography in the source. You got that kill that's your. That's your opening show gift. Yeah. He was diaper and paid to p on Jimmy stop. So, but we don't know if Jimmy Stewart wanted it or not I he may have developed a taste for later that and I I was on the phone with cliff last night, and I told him about he did not know about surprisingly. Because I thought he knew absolutely everything once in a while we stump him about the Vallance story about Joan Crawford peeing David Niven, which he was unfamiliar with. I'd never heard that before. Yeah. Add add that to the collection. Now. Oh, no, no, no. I'm just on Jimmy Stewart getting Pete on by famous midgets. Do you guys have a list of all the people who are into that? I mean, not handy. Not not are we moved offices. So. In the file. Oh my God. Tell us what you've been up to since we last saw you. Is your hand at a podcast that Marc Maron produced. Guys. Crank out these podcasts two week. I could never do it. I did for four episodes of my podcast over the course of two years, and that's been but it's available. They're on the same Stitcher. Apple Stitcher classic show biz. And it was a lot of work, man. It was like top Evie production values scripted just stories from the history of comedy in the history of show business one about the mafia one about a gay comedian in the thirties who was opening openly gay guy name Rick bourbon, an an episode about comedians and LSD about George Carlin and Richard Pryor. How they did psychedelics sixties and that change things the one thing about that show that might be of interest to your listeners is that I use the actual audio from the interviews. I did in research for the comedian. So when I'm talking about comedians in the mafia, I throw it to Jack Carter, and then Jack Carter tells a story on the podcast. So if you want to hear the voices of some of these people. Yes, absolutely ask biz now. Now that breeze us to. Story that I think everyone wants to hear gin, and that's that Marlon Brando fucked Richard pry her in the ass. Do you know anything about this cliff? Why just found out about at the same time? Everybody. Offers the world we heard at the same time. I know rain Pryor was really mad about that. You know, Marlon Brando, definitely bisexual by most accounts. But I, you know, the prior story was was new to me that may have been why Richard Pryor was so enraged do. You know, the story about what happened at the Hollywood bowl in the late seventies with Richard Pryor. He was on a friendly refreshes. It was like a gay rights activists type of event late seventies. And they booked all these sort of allies of the gain lesbian community, like tab hunter and lily Tomlin, and they booked Richard Pryor and Richard Pryor went on this crazy rant for like. Ten minutes. Yelling the word fag going off. And it was front page news. The next day. But maybe he had just had that encounter with Marlon Brando and kind of felt like shamed. About it. I don't know. But it was a big big story where there was like a campaign against Richard Pryor. Seventy seven. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, at some point in the show, and by the way, cliff has brought us a fresh list of scandals Gilbert, you're going to be very happy. Thanks. He was like goal. It was like Christmas morning. List? I can't wait. That's what I've mostly been up to since last time. I saw you guys sort of researching that kind of stuff. Yeah. You know, and one of the things that I discovered maybe you've heard about this before do, you know about the incident between Stu Gilliam, the axe and Alan hill junior. You know that story heard this story. Well, yeah. I I think Gino knows this story because he knew Alan HALE junior. Yeah. But who's the axe who the act still Gillam black comic and actually physical acts. Oh. I thought that was some wrestlers acts. Oh my God. Stu Gilliam, and I'll inhale junior best known as skipper on Gilligan's for them for the uninitiated. Tell the story will Elon HALE junior like lot of celebrities in the late sixties and early seventies. He opened his own restaurant. It was on last Janika boulevard in Beverly Hills. Right. And so it was like a family restaurant with a drawing of him on the sign and get matches that had a picture of Alan hill junior on it, you know, and at the time Stu Gilliam who had started his career as one of the few. Maybe maybe one of the many black ventriloquist's on the Chilin circuit along with Willie Tyler and less strong with a guy named Richard and Willie and along with a guy named Aaron Williams who appeared on neponset of the smothers brothers comedy hour. Stu Gilliam was the fourth of the African American ventriloquists in that era before he went into straight stand up. And you know, he appeared on many game shows and did voices of cartoons late sixties early. Seventies is career was on on the way up had done. The Hollywood palace is a standup. Larry Gelbart hired him to star in a new series. That was sort of the unofficial all black version of mass rollout was called. Yeah. It was called rollout starts doing. That time there were all these sort of black versions of white shows. It was sort of a trend. There is a black version of the odd couple that was live on the stage. There was barefoot in the park. And then there was the. Yeah. There was TV version of Wilson and run silver on glass run glass. I Ronnie Miller. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So this was part of that trend roll out took place during World War Two instead of the Korean war. But it was basically an all black version of mash also created by Larry Gelbart featured people at Garrett Morris in the cast before Saturday Night Live, so Stu Gilliam start in this show. He was on the front page of a lot of like parade magazine and regional TV guides. It was a big deal and got got decent ratings ran about four episodes. And in Stu Gilliam went out for dinner at Alan Hale's lobster barrel. Up already, but he showed up the maitre d' said, I'm sorry, sir. There's no seats available and Stu Gilliam said something to the effect of don't, you know, I am. I'm the star of the hit sitcom roll out. And the maitre D's. I'm sorry, sir. We can't to seat you. There's no seats here at Allan hills. Lots. Alan Hale's, lobster bow was doing. Well. Stu Gilliam went back to his car. Got an axe out of the trunk of the car and came back and attacked the maitre d' with an axe. It became this huge tabloid story was an all the press was in jet magazine. And just like today when something goes crazy on Twitter, and everybody's like calling for the person to be fired same thing. They ended up. Deciding to Gilliam was too much of a liability. So they cancelled roll out because of this incident unbelievable show, and then cancel the the story goals. Great. It's gold and Alan HALE junior ever have any say in the matter any press charges. I don't know that there's no follow up in the news reports that I've read about that, I'm assuming they didn't press charges otherwise it would have been in the news. But Alan HALE junior, they didn't mention it. But he may have been there because supposedly he would hang out at his own restaurant. All the time and answer the phone. Hello, little buddy. I have friends from Los Angeles when they were kids. They would always crank call. Barrel because they wanted to hear him. I love that. We'll get into the stories. There are so many of them. But I want you to just I don't know the people know this about you to that you started as a comic. And I was asking you what your act was like. And I was intrigued. Yeah. Yeah. Well, had a couple acts. I did act as myself in my own voice, like normal comedian. And that act was always unpopular never went what I had another act that I did in character that destroyed it actually was very popular in in Vancouver. Where I was doing it and the characters name with shaky gray at the time. I was twenty years old. He was an old fashioned old timey unfunny, narcissistic comedian and ironically at the time I had no context for people like Shuki green or Jack Carter yet. I channeled them. I emulated him on stays of indignant characters, and I wrote street jokes, basically that were original street jokes that could have. Sounded like they were from the nineteen fifties. So I'd go up on stage in character. And actually, you know, whenever I talk about Jack Carter on your show. I do that voice. Yeah. Doesn't really sound like it's really allowed. And he's fuck you, you know, just screaming and random, basically, the same voice. I was doing in my standup act all those years before a shaky gray. And I would go up on stage and do jokes like. Well, I'd say, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Cecchi gray an internationally renowned and professional professional comedian. I recently through a party for all my impotent friends, but nobody came. With Gasol line, and I had this old battered symbol, and I would smash symbol Shek in every after every joke. I would yell now we're working now every time after every juggled say now, we're doing something, and I stole some jokes from this guy named Alan gale who is a Miami Beach. Stand up comic from the early fifties. He put out a comedy record pressed by the mafia on roulette. Moore's Levy, and and the name of the record was live at Jack silverman's international celebrity club. And I was listening to that record around that same time and was just that's kind of became fascinated by this world this Miami Beach Stor comedy world, and I took a joke off of that record. And did it in character on stage shaky gray and the joke was I was walking down the street. The other day saw lady said, hey, miss your pants coming down. She looked said no, they're not. I said sorry. I've made up my mind. Oh now. Gilbert's notes. Yes. I'm opening with that tonight. So the after all of these sort of St. jokes, I would yell now we're doing this, and they would get increasingly absurd. And then actually became the crux of the act. So I do joke. Now, we're working do a joke. Now, we're cooking with gas line. Do a joke, and then now poking holes in pope's condoms. Glow in Bob Dylan in the wind. Now, we're wishing that Kiana was the Reeves in a wheelchair. Because at the time. Christopher Reeves was. A mar dark Martin short character. Yeah. It was very broad and very sticky, and sometimes very broad and very sticky acts become very popular and date it really became a phenomenon there. But it also kind of left me with this weird feeling because it wasn't really the kind of stand up. I wanted to do. I like stand ups talk rather than than affect crazy characters, but it became very popular. And I learned and I don't know if you've ever had this experience in your career Gilbert, but I learned that because my act was very loud, and sort of combative kind of gave license to the audience to be loud and combative in return. So so yeah, me that's happening. Yeah them. Yeah. So if that became the act, I would respond to Ecuador's in character and became sort of this insult comic the same way, our friend. Jeff roster speed roasting people. And this was not arranged people would line up at the front of the stage. Single file to take turns. Yelling at me. And then I would back out with an insult. And it would get bigger land would get a big laugh. So I did that Cecchi gray for several years in Vancouver until my throat couldn't take it anymore. It goes it's interesting to then you're you're a kid. I mean, you're in your twenties at this point. I'm assuming that you're doing this and already your your love your of these these kind of old school comics, these broken down, loser comics is already informing what you do on stage. Yeah. Because I was collecting records at the time. So I'd go to the record store and find all these records by rusty Warren. What he would beret belt Barth what he what your engine that guy. Alan gale and all of them tended to do the same jokes, and they all tended to be recorded in some weird nightclub. You had never heard of. And I just became fascinated by that, you know, what he would bury was on a record label called stereo oddities. And the first time I ever did any show business. It was community radio. When I was sixteen years old and the name of my show was stereo oddities, and I would play. Weird records sort of like doctor demento and stuff like that. So the vinyl world was sort of the big influence because those people didn't do TV. You didn't see what he would be on TV much? He had a talk show. But you really didn't see him growing up. No rusty warn. You never saw on TV Belle Barth that you never saw until they had dirty rusty Warren and Bill Barth. Well, yeah. Borderline dirty. But for that reason, I would find these records and go well who the fuck are. They like why are these records in every thrift store yet? I've never heard of them or seeing them on TV. So that was the sort of inherent historian was born there ill. Did you know, these comics these I mean, you you you listen to comedy Woody Woodbury? I wish familiar with still with us. What he I think he just had a birthday this week? He's in his nineties. Yeah. Think he turned ninety two in some weird movie with Ellen Burstyn. Wow. It's like where he was appeared. I would-i would a student of these you you collected comedy albums. You listen to comedy euless now in Sherman. And all of that stuff. But did you know these these kind of now? And didn't know rusty Warren Belle Barth was famous tell tell us tell us another's. Frightening showbiz picture. Fisher the lizard, Frank. What's that list? I'll pick one. Coin off the list. I kinda like I kind of like the Tennessee Ernie Ford story. Okay. Tennessee, Ernie Ford. Sant and had delivered a cease and desist letter to the Ku Klux Klan. This is catnip for him. The Ku Klux Klan was using Tennessee. Ernie Ford's recording of the old rugged cross during their cross burnings. That kill. Oh. Vid- clan. Go to court. I guess they respected Tennessee Ernie four because they did cease and desist using that during cross burnings reportedly. But yeah. To the story. He loves this stuff. Yeah. Pick another one. Here's another one. That's less funny. I'm sure but it pertains somebody. We talk about a lot on this show, which is TIMMY Rodgers can be. Yeah. Timmy Rogers is kind of fascinating because people have not explored his career at all. They know if they remember him at all just talked to Larry Charles about him. Larry Charles knew who he was. I heard that. I heard that comedy, you know, his name dropper. Yeah. Well, he started in the jazz world nineteen forty three. He was a member of the count Basie orchestra, and he was sort of the comedian with the orchestra, but his knack for writing comedy material came from lyrics. He was a Lear assist. He writes sort of funny novelty songs for jazz musicians. And then in nineteen forty six post war. He kind of went straight and started just doing stand up. He would still close with a song the way like Jack Carter and those guys would usually close. You're provided once go to heaven, but nobody wants to die. That's right. And he had another yet another song about inflation about the high prices these days. Which he did for forty years. But nine hundred forty six he was sort of the first of the modern black comedians to just go on stage as himself in a tuxedo. As opposed to pigmeat Markham doing a character with a floppy hat and props or moms mabley doing a character. And he and pygmy Markham had a big feud, Jimmy Rogers and pygmy Markham did not get along. And the reason was because big Markham was old fashioned. And despite the fact that he was black big Markham would use black face. He would black himself up further into the white around the mouth and Tammy Rogers would say man, we're past that you don't need to do that anymore. And so they would bicker back and forth. And then TIMMY Rogers recorded a number of rhythm and blues records and things like this throughout the fifties. And then in nineteen fifty eight this is the story. He was booked in London at the palladium on a show with Liberace, and dick Shawn and Liberace was the headliner. Tim Rogers was doing like half an hour and dick Shawn was brand new. He's doing like ten minutes. But dick. John was up staging everybody. He was so dominant and so good and getting such an ovation. They started whittling down TIMMY Rogers is time and bolstering dick Shawn's time. And so Tim Rogers got pissed off equate while he was in London and his agent since he was over there. Anyways, booked him on a series of tours on military bases. He started performing on American military installations, all throughout Europe. He was in Germany in nineteen fifty eight during the third show in one night on a Saturday night. And he showed up for a twelve fifteen AM show at twelve three AM, and the sergeant there was drunk. He was white. And he was outraged. He thought TIMMY Rogers was late, and he said, we're the fuck you been where's the fucking MC and TIMMY Roger said, whoa. Whoa. Man. What's the problem? And the guy said this white sergeant said don't call me man boy and punched him in the face knocked him up against the shuffleboard table punched. Again through to the ground while yelling, the N word kicked him in. The ribs broke three of his ribs and fractured his face, and TIMMY Rogers that point was also dancing in his acne was unable to dance after that. And so there was a court martial. They put this sergeant on trial people expected him to get five years for this unprovoked racist assaults on TIMMY Rogers, and they have this court martial, and he was acquitted of all charges, despite the fact that we're all these witnesses on real TIMMY Rogers was outraged. He said this is Mississippi Justice. This is Senator Bilbo style. Justice in the American military, and the reason I bring it up because if you weeks ago, there was that horrible story about the actor from empire, and it reminded me of TIMMY Rogers being attacked by the sort of white supremacist, and then it almost ruined his career in the sense that he couldn't move for several months. He was stuck in hospital. Ben Bailey that started off great. And then. I said it wasn't exactly. Somebody. We'd maybe maybe this one's a little funny K back and real fast. But this is from your book, and I'm gonna just repeatedly plug the book through the show, the wonderful book, the comedians, if our listeners do not have this book, please do not waste moment. Go out and get it. Because this is the the perfect book for people who listen to this show. But what about Ted Healy trying to kill Jessil? As long as violence theme. Now now for anyone out there. Ted Healy it used to be Tate Healy and his three stooges right before they split up. Why think the story was a Walter winchell column or I think it was wind chill? He reported that George Jessil had invented a new drink called the Bloody Mary was in the late nineteen twenties. Credited George slaughter with George Jessil with the invention of the Bloody Mary, and in the article winchell mentioned that he had been with this woman named Mary, and he named it after her, and she was Ted Healy's girlfriend or wife, and so Ted Healy did not know that George Jessil had been hanging around with his woman till he read this article about how you name the Bloody Mary after her. So they were backstage I think in Chicago at some vaudeville house and Ted Healy shot a gun not to shoot him. But to basically make him go deaf right by jesse's ear fired a loaded pistol. And Jessica couldn't here for a week couldn't go on stage because we're ringing. I believe that's the story. How oh. Oh my gosh. So just almost had a few moments of shot and Friday when when when Ted Healy came to a bad end. Yeah. And then there was that other sort of famous anecdote because George Jessil would not have survived the metoo era. You know, he was known for having sex fourteen year old girls on a regular basis, and there's a famous story on the red Skelton show. They had an animal act and urinated all over the stage and red Skelton came back out and said, oh, it looks like jesse's girlfriend has been here. Meaning that, you know, she was a toddler. God, so heartwarming. So what he thought Jessil had fuck this girlfriend? Yeah. Again, that was what the conclusion he based on the fact that winchell admission that they were both together at the same time insane. And now, what was your most recent most factual case of Ted Healy dying. Yeah. What's your take on the mysterious? Ted healy. Yeah, I didn't read that new book that came out which is supposedly debunks the story about Wallace berry curb stomping him to death covering it up saying that sailors did it. I don't know. I don't I don't have a take on it. I took a lot of heat when my book came out from nerdy stooge fans for clothing, the MO Howard biography or autobiography where he says that wall is berry probably curve. Stopped Ted Healy in a lot of nerds were like that's been debunked. But I sometimes go for the better story. Why not want these stories to print the legend? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. The stooge fundamentalists came for you. Coming. Wasn't commonly cubby broccoli, the producer of the bond films involved in that altercation to cubby broccoli cubby broccoli was involved in some way MGM a lot of these early MGM guys like Eddie Mannix, who was the fixer and are out of these people. Samuel Marx was another guy. They really knew how to to exercise their clout and cover things up. But of course, now, it's all kind of come out bus Berkeley was another famous while when e killed somebody and driving. Yeah. Mojo and drive that was a famous Clark Gable? Killed someone in his car. I don't know about that. I know about Clark Gable and his love child, David Janssen. By all means. Excellent on that famous. You guys don't know that famous rumor. Yeah. And you look at the headshots of David Janssen in the fifties. He just looks like Clark Gable without a moustache giant years. Same face. You know, I completely believe it. We're we're jumping all around here as we as we do. But on the. What are you? What do you make of Druze claim that that Clark Gable was involved with Andy Devine? I love that. Andy eight we read that one nine has a closet full of skeletons come on, a brand voice skeletons. Then we talk last time was on the show, but that town somewhere in America, there's a small town and everything is named after Andy diving, and well, drew reedmen Osho had a story stories. You discuss Stephen mate. They're all crazy. One of them was that there was a love affair between Eddie cantor and Schimdt Howard. Based on what? Drawing. The drew. Drew friedman. Chimp headlong care, drew, drew drew loves the whole rock Hudson. Jim Nabors thing though, he timed out on that. Will you go? There was before Jim Nabors came out of came out of the closet, this elderly comedian who still alive and completely forgotten never had much of a career in terms of fame guy named Jackie Curtis with to asses. I've seen interviews with them on your website. Yeah. A bunch of Edsall van shows. He was one of these guys who every time you saw him. He was in a different comedy team. Curtis antone Curtis in this Curtis in that they never really clicked, but he told me that he attended rock Hudson and Jim Nabors mock wedding. They had cry friend. I love it. Fake wedding in which they both dressed in wedding dresses rock Hudson. And Jim Nabors. They did. Vows. And supposedly Jackie Curtis insists this is true. They released photo album as a gag after the fact and he had photos of this wedding of rock Hudson. Feeding Jim Nabors the first piece of cake and getting icing all over his face tasks, according to a ninety three year old comedian. So I have a tendency to believe him, even if it's not true. Jimmy, Stewart actually did come out of the closet at one point Jimmy Stewart. John. Jim nabors? Getting pissed off my chest. Jim Nabors came out of the closet. Just maybe one or two years before he died. Yeah. He and his lover in Hawaii came out of the closet now. What this speaking of? I'm gonna go back a little bit. We'll come. I'll come back and give you a fresh scandal in a minute Gilbert, but gives you ever your comic Murray, Roman spoi-. I mean, it sounds like a combination of twenty different com- bring up sort of the he sort of leads to a turning point in in Cliff's career and explain Clifton. I think are and I read is a lot of our listeners got the book. But I think people would be interested to know how you transition from being a comic to the foremost thority, if I may quote, the professor Irwin Murray room in was an old school guy pretending to be young and hip in the late sixties he had a comedy record. And that's how I was introduced to him called. You can't beat people up and have them say, I love you. It was on Bill Cosby's record label Tetra grant on in nineteen sixty nine it had a kaleidoscopic psychedelic cover. It was the weirdest comedy record at add liner notes by Tommy smothers from the. Mothers brothers, and it wasn't a very funny record. But when you listen to it, he sounded like a guy doing an impression of Lenny, Bruce. He had that cadence. Yeah. It was an older guy. But he was like, yeah. Man. Can you dig it doing all this sort of slang that even coming out of the guy's voice? You could tell was labored. But it was a psychedelic comedy record. He would hit a punchline, and then the punchline would go into reverse echoing, and then he goes. In the news, it would cut in and out of each of the jokes. And I was very curious about this record because I'd never heard about this guy Murray Roman and I found it in a flea market when I was twenty four and when I was still doing stand up I met the smothers brothers at a festival or at a show and ask Tommy smothers who is Murray Roman because I have this record wrote the liner notes goes on Murray was one of our writers. But he died young. But in the fifties, he was an agent at MCA, and he went to prison for some sort of fraud scandal stealing from his clients. He represented the Everley brothers at one point. He went to jail for like five or six years, and when he came out of jail in order reinvent himself. He became a stand up comic and started playing places like the hungry, I and the purple onion while he's he's twenty years older than all these other guys like dick, Gregory, but he tried to be hip and cool and he put out this comedy record in Tommy smothers hired him as a writer on the show. Don't arrested for fraud to reinventing himself as a comic to being a smothers brothers writer. Exactly, why did that same writer's room with Steve Martin and Carl Gottlieb? Stein. Bob einstein. Yeah. All the legends. He was in that writer's room. And so I decided to write an article about it. It was really the first time I ever wrote about an old comedian was about this guy Murray Roman iphone, Tommy smothers. You know, we had met him a month earlier and talked to him for an hour about it. And then he said, you know, who would know more about this than me is Steve have you talked to Steve yet. And I said, Steve he goes Steve Martin. I said no I haven't talked to him yet. You know, I'm twenty five year old kid and in Canada. I have no access to Steve Martin. He says all phone Steve Martin and tell them to call you about an hour later my phone rang, and it was Steve Martin. He was onset of some movies goes I hear you're writing about Marie Roman. Yes, we talked for like an hour about Murray Roman. And then when it was over Steve Martin kept me online. He goes who else are you writing about because I'm really really into a lot of those old guys. He goes, you know, who one of my favorites is Steve Martin is saying this, you know, one of my favorites is Jackie Vernon. I love Jackie Vernon. And so Steve Martin and bonded over our mutual. Love of Jackie Vernon. And that sort of set me on the path of researching and writing about old comedians that was the style loved. I mean, I love asking guests about turning points in their in their lives. But isn't that cool? I mean, that's how he transitioned from being calmer. And to kind of you kind of knew at that point. This is for me, this is this is for me will if Tommy smothers and Steve Martin were enthusiastic about what I was doing. I took that as, you know, maybe a nice to have you heard have you heard any Gilbert. Jackie Vernon by the way. No, please some Slaw for Molly. Shman? Well, Toko Lee Brown the Quick's. Here we all from the waist. Stop is a bunch of picks and ropes and things. Ever see anybody? Jackie Vernon people. Will you know, there's a comedy record? Maybe you could emulate this. There's a comedy record of Jackie Vernon singing yesterday by the Beatles. Doing a cover in his voice why ever heard that? The all mar troubles seem so far would. He's got the clicker in his hand. And how how her Roach had collaborations most? So we're going to say how Holbrooke Hello also Mussalini. Yes there. There are two two people in comedy that were among Mussalini biggest supporters and not just Mussalini biggest supporters in the United States or in comedy. But just Mussolini's two biggest supporters period was Hal Roach. Of course, who produced all those two reel comedy shorts our gang, laurel and hardy, the other was will Rogers, you know, that saying I never met a man I didn't like it may be in reference to this will Rogers advocated on behalf of Mussalini in the nineteen twenties in his newspaper column, not as satire not as humor said, we need somebody like Mussalini in the United States and suppose of them were sort of fascist sympathizers in the late twenties and early thirties. Stirland how Roach went into collusion with the mousseline regime. They were going to produce pro fascist. Italy propaganda films and how Roach studios in Hollywood his son. I forget his name Theriault, Tori. Pretorial flew to Hollywood, and they had a big reception for him star studded invitation black tie gala at Davis was was that benefa- Davis was there and or scarf that was in the color of the Italian flag. And at this point, it was well known Italy was a fascist country. This wasn't the beginnings of it had been fascist for almost ten years by this point, and these kind of thought, well, it's a head of state. You know, that's all they cared about. We want to be there and be seen eventually the sort of left wing people in in Hollywood, we're advocating against this. A lot of screenwriters who were later blacklisted one of their first sort of political acts with speaking out against this relationship between how Roach studios and Mussalini and essentially ran out of town. They canceled this plan because of the blowback that they got from a lot of the sort of progressive Hollywood people at the time show Bette Davis was fascist sympathetic. Oh, she attended this. That's one of the most interesting chapters in the comedians two is where you're talking about the the early days radio kanter's early days in radio and how much money cantor had raised four children victims of the Nazis. Eddie, Eddie cantor was the first celebrity to try and help Jewish refugees escape Nazi Germany starting around thirty three thirty four, and then it became an official campaign as part of the Hollywood anti-nazi league in nineteen thirty five and because he was doing that he would get heckled at radio broadcasts by fascist sympathizers in the audience. So there's a famous story around nineteen thirty six thirty seven or thirty eight Eddie cantor was doing a live broadcast at Kennex in Los Angeles CBS affiliate when the show was over. And this is win like park. Your carcass was on the show and Bert Gordon. The mad Russian was on the show after the show. Eddie cantor would address live studio audience and make an appeal on behalf. Jewish refugees and fighting against Nazism. And remember this is four years before America entered the war. He was heckled by a fascist sympathizer in the audience who said stick to jokes. You don't know what you're talking about? And Bert, Gordon. The mad Russian ran after the dude in the studio audience attacked him and start beating the shit out of him got into a big fistfight about floor of CBS. And there was a meeting with CBS Eddie cantor and the American Tobacco company who made Lucky Strike cigarettes saying you cannot speak out against Hitler anymore. You cannot speak on behalf of Jewish refugees anymore. Kanter, you're going to ruin our, you know, our good standing with bigots in our buying audience. You know, you cannot talk about politics anymore. Eddie cantor wouldn't. But there was this pressure to maybe cancel the Eddie cantor show because he wouldn't stop speaking out against Hitler in nineteen thirty five. Three six three seven thirty eight about that. Kill that. Scary. Yeah. Yeah. That could happen again. That's very scary. So what was the what was the sponsorship again tobacco? Con the pack the American Tobacco company, which they famously parodied in madman. They they were one of the most powerful companies in all of radio and advertising sponsored everything. So basically what they said went not just about politics. But if they didn't like your joke had to be taken out if the sponsor of the Baco company didn't like your joke, even though they had no creative involvement in the show. They had final say over what ended up on the program that stuff is wild. It's in the book to the sector said the ad agency in charge of the account young and Rubicam sent a memo to the network saying we are of the opinion that we should present. He cantered to the public strictly as a funny man and try to avoid any publicity that would indicate that he ever had a serious thought or is guilty of serious deed. Yeah. They didn't want him. Take seriously. Well, people forget in that pre pre war period before nineteen forty one. There are a lot of isolationists and a lot of fascist sympathisers in the United States and they bought Lucky Strike cigarettes. So they didn't want to offend them. Even though they were fascist sympathizers and credit. It was this thing. I always heard about where people would be accused of. Like sort of like. Pre premature fascist anti fascist sympathies, right? The Hollywood anti-nazi league was part of that anybody who is part of the Hollywood anti-nazi league which was founded in one thousand thirty five later during the red scare were often blacklisted because they felt that it was an indication that you were a communist if you were opposed to the Nazis before nineteen forty one because largely in the United States. It largely was the communist party of the United States that was advocating against Nazism, probably for self serving reasons, but they still were the only ones speaking out during that period. I want to ask you about the red scare stuff from the book in a second. But while we're on the subject of Nazis, three three stooges end up on Hitler's death list. Why I've never I offer nation. Yeah. Certainly lucidly supposedly there was this thing called the kill list. There was sort of like Nixon's enemies list in the sixties Hitler had this kill list. I have never been able to find verification that. There was such a list. But supposedly Charlie Chaplin was on that list. The three stooges were on that list. Jack Benny was on that list. And the reason was because Charlie Chaplin made The Great Dictator the three stooges made you nutsy spy and Jack Benny made to be or not to be and supposedly ridiculing Hitler was a reason for he was really pissed off especially with Charlie Chaplin because Charlie Chaplin wasn't Jewish. The other comedians were Jewish. We hated them regardless. But Chaplin was apparently Hitler's favourite, maybe the mustache was influenced. So. Yeah. Supposedly, the three stooges I think again, it was Mojo hard who said that in his autobiography. Yeah. Because they did another one those those knots. These will never highly again. I'll never again. There's some fantastic. How Roach to real studio shorts that are all star people playing it ler and people playing Mussalini and those are really well worth seeking out. I think there's two of them one of them takes place in hell. So there's a guy in a Dell devil suit like prodding Mussolini and Hitler to do. Things are very very broad comedies from nineteen forty three forty four that are worth worth seeking out. Well on the subject of the red scare and again, the book is such a page Turner. And I I've read it twice, but in but in doing research for having your back, I dug into it again. And just the the gold the vaudeville chapters. I told you on the phone is my favorite, and we want to ask before we get off with you. We have to ask about Swain's rats and cats again, but. Gilbert, while you're just a obsessed with that on the subject of the red scare and McCarthyism and some of the people that got caught up in. And I want to ask you specifically about one person in that is mister Julius marks. Yeah. We'll Groucho Marx was hosting. You bet your life at the time and one of his lead musicians is the say, they're Jerry building. I can't remember who it was one of musicians and think it was it is. So one of the musicians in the orchestra of you bet your life. You remember when they spun the wheel, and they would play music or they played Groucho on and off. He had been named in red channels or one of those red scare magazines newspapers. And they wanted to get rid of him and Groucho said, well, no, I don't I don't want to get rid of him. And the reason he had been named was because he had been advocating for the integration of the musicians unions in those days in the forties. There was a union just for black musicians and a union just for white musicians and the guy from you bet your life orchestra was advocating that the integrate so this is why they went after him and Groucho Marx initially stood up for him. But then it sounded like soda or whoever the sponsor was was thinking about pulling their sponsorship on this because of this issue and so- Groucho said, okay, go ahead and fire him, and they did and he was blacklisted for this musician for several years and Groucho said in the seventies that it was the only real major regret of his career was buckling to those pressures. Yeah. That must have hurt him. Because he was he was known for being a stand up guy. He he came out when he got a little cloud. He came out against ethnic axe. Yeah. Gradual Mark big SBI? File. There was an F B. You can read it online. There was an FBI file most of it redacted. It's still all scribbled in black marker. But in Groucho Marx FBI's file, there's a complaint because on one episode of you bet your life, he referred to America as the United snakes of America, and these angry sort of John Birch society type people wrote in these angry letter saying, I think Groucho Marx's a red. I think he's a commie you should look into him. And so j Edgar Hoover did a mass this large file on Groucho Marx. And then in the late sixties Groucho Marx came out in favor of the Chicago eight when abbey Hoffman was arrested Mercia, Congo and nNcholas Ray, the filmmaker who made rebel without a cause was planning a movie about the Chicago trials in the late sixties about the hippies. The police and he was going to cast Groucho Marx as the judge in the trial in the abbey Hoffman trial. It never happened. But all of these things just sort of thickened is F B I file because he was considered a. Famous name who maybe was giving credence to radical. 'cause I like to think his heart was in the right place. And that he really did regret the fielding incident. And he did one of the things in your book is what you were talking about the old days of the stereotype, axe course, Gilbert laughs, the Mary wops. Oh, yes. But these these these Jewish acts in these really these these really unpleasant, unflattering stereotypes. Yeah. There's a there's a guy named Harry green guys ever talked about Harry. No, I don't think so Harry green between nineteen thirty and thirty five at paramount. You watch old movies. He's in the mall the time. He was essentially Jewish step in fetching. He did this way over the top broad ethnic character wore these round horn rimmed glasses, and it was all Gish 'isms and like step in fetch it, he would mumble things under his breath that weren't in the script that if you understood Yiddish were detectable as these sort of I don't know if they were subversive, but they were. Off-script things that well he wouldn't have made a pass Harry green Harry green. But it was pretty racist. When you watch it today. It's like really cringe-worthy. He's in a bunch of early Bing Crosby movies, and then they got rid of him. He was like persona non grata after nineteen thirty five because it was very broad very offensive even in the early thirties that style of playing Jewish character like that was already considered taboo and old fashioned. And one of my always favorite topics famous anti-semites and Hollywood where do you begin? Well, the two two biggest that I can think of two different eras, the twenties and thirties, of course, it was Frank Fay. But in the sixties fifties and sixties it was Walter Brennan. Walter Brennan was the biggest anti Semite, and he was a racist as well. According to his son when Walter Brennan was making that show. What's it called Wilson? It. Of well sonnet. Oh, yeah. He was in that show, and he was onset of that program that morning that Dr Martin Luther King junior was assassinated. And when news got to set about the assassination supposedly Walter Brennan started doing one of those treasure of the Sierra Madre jigs dancing celebration on both facination. So he hated hated. He hated Jewish people. He hated black people. He thought that they were all in the pocket of some sort of communist conspiracy. Walter Brennan, I know there were say character. Actor Eugene polite who they used to call Eugene Paulette. Yeah. His collection juice. Yeah. He played fire talk in the adventures of misleading. And he refused to sit in the commiserate with other black actors at Warner Brothers. So I'm not sure who fan, but yeah, he firmly believed in segregation. But that was in the nineteen forties. When it was still federal policy to have segregation. Whereas in the sixties Walter Brennan at the height of the civil rights movement was calling out civil rights activists as being no good commies fucking Walter Brennan. Wow. Son of a bitch. Well, you know, there's a healthy dose of anti semitism behind the blacklist in the first place. I mean in in addition to try to weaken or if not bust unions outright. Yeah. Too many Jews in Hollywood. And this we, you know, we've got to do something about this. Yeah. You know, it's weird. Those Madison in those days Madison Square Garden could be rented to any sort of quote, unquote, civic organization so American Nazis in you, see you see those videos online in nineteen forty six after the war the American Nazi party. And some of their sort of associates racist groups rented, Madison Square Garden and held up pro fascist rally and the name of the pro fascist rally was the friends of Frank Fay because Frank things the first stand up, Frank Fay. Frank Fay was coming out on side of the Catholics in the Spanish civil war rather than the loyalists loyal. You know, it was a big cause in the thirties for progressives versus progressives because left when people left wing people were being murdered in Spain. At that time in the thirties and so- actors equity the actors. Union came out with this statement in support of those fighting against the fascists in Spain. But because the fascist were aligned with the Catholic church, and Frank Fay, was Catholic. He felt that this was an attack on the Catholic church. So turned into this big to do and Frank face got kicked out of the actors union and fascists came out in support of Frank Fay. And they did all these pro Nazi speeches and raises speeches at Madison garden Frank face was guest of honor. And they called it the friends of Frank about that kill oh, my guy who you credit as being basically, the first the first official kind of stand up comic. Now. I stand stand stand there and tell instead of doing a character instead of doing costumes instead of doing stick. He just went onstage and talked in a tuxedo. Like, a normal person and became a very influential Jack Benny, Bob Hope, Milton Berle, they all cited Frank Fay as a huge influence on their style of stand up and at the same time, they all criticize him for being this raving racist. And of course. Yup. Famously attacked Frank face when he came off stage at the palace because he heard Frank face whispering under his breath about Milton Berle get that little Jew kit outta here. Get that little juke it out of your and Milton Berle waited for him when Frank Fay got off stage, and he smashed him in the face with the speed supply would from like the scenery and tore open his nose, and frankly had to go to the hospital Milton. Berle was so enraged about that Gill. Finally, a great Milton Berle story that doesn't have to do this. Doc. Sure was plywood that he. Now. I was reading somewhere that Meyer Lansky use to organize like gangs to beat up the Nazis at these rallies. Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't. I didn't know. I did know that your land. I didn't know that Meyer. Lansky was the connection. Why Steve Allen broadcast? He number of Steve Allen shows from Havana in the months right before the Cuban revolution in nineteen Fifty-nine. They did all these remotes Lucas Stella was on a lot of them. And there were a lot of threats from Cuban revolutionary saying Steve Allen, the Steve Allen show, stay out of Cuba. Because this is where we're about to take it over. And it was right around that time and Bill Dana was with them. And he said that at one point they had to cancel an episode of the Steve Allen show because it had been inundated with stink bombs from revolutionaries. We didn't take kindly to Steve Allen colluding with Meyer, Lansky and using Cuba's. They're sort of foreign playground. Steve Allen a goal radical. Yeah. A guy also hired people who are blacklisted. Steve Allen hired people that were blacklisted, but he never ever hired a black comedian on the tonight show when he got trance to do. So when Steve Allen had the chance and he would bring on black jazz musicians. He would talk in favor of integration and the civil rights movement. But when he had the chance to book black medians, TIMMY Rogers, whoever he said, he wouldn't do it because white audiences would never accept jokes coming from a black man like more, Saul. And then just a couple years later. Dick, Gregory emerged appeared on the Jack Parr tonight show smashing that theory. But Steve Allen for all the stuff that he didn't civil rights literally refused to black. Black comedians, how strange and disappointing it on the subject of disappointing. What the hell is with Lucas Selo supporting McCarthy. Lucas tells interesting blow a lot of people just heard the word communist and just assume that that meant I have to fight against it. So in the civil rights era, Martin Luther King and a lot of the people around him beard rest in and James farmer famous black civil rights organizers had been members of the communist party back in the nineteen thirties. So that was enough reason for you to be suspect and considered an enemy, even if you were fighting for a good cause later on, you know, so Luca Stella wanted everybody on the set of the Abacus tele-movies to sign loyalty, oaths and wood fire. Anybody who didn't in one of the people he demanded sign a loyalty oath was this guy John grant, who I think wrote their version of who's on first based on previous routine and kind of punch it up. And if you watch any of the old Abacus tele-movies in the credits and always says special material by and I think his name is John grant is that the right name. I don't know. We'll we'll double check it. Lucas. Delo demanded that that he signed this loyalty oath. And he goes Lou you've known me for twenty or thirty years. You're questioning my loyalty now, and he refused to you sign it. So he fired him. So that was the end of their association after that there were no more Abacus tele-movies said special material by about that Gill. She this is the disillusion she got on this Ota. Stories. List of stories that are more upbeat. Okay. How just wanted to hear about Avidan customers point? What about what about the this is on the Email thread that you and I are on cliff with these Larry? It's an Avidan Castillo's F B I file, the FBI Lukasz Tello. Hello had pornography coming out of his ears. 'cause we heard red Skelton was the big point collect here. Yeah. That's true red skeleton and Lucas Delo and George raft at the actions of. It had its your changes. There's also a story. I'm trying to remember who it involves between Lukasz Stelco and a comedian who had children. I can't remember who they played a prank on them, and Santa film print that was supposed to be a children's film. Maybe it was that that movie did where he grows into a giant Lukasz Ella movie. Thirty pride of candy rock. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody was requesting a print of that movie. And instead of sending over that very knock you children's movie they go to print of hardcore pornography and screened it in front of this children's Sparty accidentally, Lucas Ellas idea of prank. Oh, gee, now, you're getting into Gilbert's area. What about this one? What about pull one off the list, by the way, I it disturbs me to know that stinky had to sign a loyalty oath state. The lawyer that worked on that. I'm extrapolating. What does this about people loving to pelt Rudy Vallee with fruit? And please please tell us there's a Cesar Romero. It may have inspired Cesar Romero he was breaking into the biz at the time. There was a trend, you know, in the old days. They always talked about how there were these college student crazes like swallowing goldfish or cramming yourself into a telephone booth. All these comedians would always reference that in the fifties. We'll in the early thirties. There was this trend of attending Rudy Vallee concerts, when he was already at the height of his fame had a hit radio show and pelting him with rotten fruit. So it happened in Boston. It happened in Detroit. It happened in Chicago every concert that Rudy Vallee did for several college students were throwing Ron fruit at him. And they would have to stop the show if you look at newspaper articles about Rudy Vallee and the early thirties. This is constantly coming up. It became a trend craze to assault Rudy Vallee with rotten fruit and Rudy Vallee. Of course, was known for being super temperamental. Involved in a lot of scandals. He punched a busboy in Miami Beach on on unconscious because he spoke to him right before we went on stage. Gilbert's done that. Cold cocked people approaching you time for you. Now, I now Rudy Vallee sounds like he was probably a racist. Cheapest man in Hollywood, that's what I'd heard about Rigali. He was very cheap his autobiography if you can find a copy is a must read. Okay, there's an entire entire chapter about forty pages just devoted to settling an old score with Victor Borge. Will you love to read that Rudy Vallee versus Victor Borge forty pages says that I gave him his start in this business. He's a he's an he's in great. He's a low life. He doesn't Bubba just goes on and on and on ranting and raving about Victor Borge. It must be at least thirty or forty page. Well, your friendly on Douglas new Rudy Vallee or early career ask her. Okay. What about the story about the king fish? That's on your on your list here. Who? Played the king fish, Tim more. Yes. Tim Moore who is considered one of the funniest or maybe the funniest of all chitlins circuit comedians. Jack Artor told me that he thought Tim Moore was the funniest man who ever lived. He knew him Bursa would go and see him perform live, but in the nineteen fifties. Tim more got arrested for assault with a weapon. He went to his fridge and the roast beef that he had been saving was gone. Apparently, his wife and apparently eaten it tried to murder. His wife. His roast beef. You should see the color Gilbert's. Lunatic. Two. Here's another go ahead. I see another good one here. Why did say go ahead? No, you go in a why Sammy Davis joined the church of Satan. Oh god. Yeah. Yeah. He was. Was that was the early seventies? When Sammy junior was doing a lot of sort of offbeat things dated Linda Lovelace, I think a couple times in the early seventies. He would screen deep throat for private parties Davis junior. So he's getting into these sort of things you don't usually associate with Sammy. Anton Levay he became Charles. Anton Levy, the high priest of the church is Satan and got into satanism doing ritualistic satanist rituals sacrifice and things and this man's face cliff. Is hitting the table. This stuff is not hard to find. It's also not cloaked in rumor like you can find like Los Angeles Times articles from the seventies about Sammy Davis junior joining the churches sate. Wow. And this didn't work against them. Now, man, he was the Candyman. There was you couldn't you. Tom. Why did why did Jerry Lewis not like Lynn Redgrave? Oh, yes. Shit, man. I wish brought that quote with me. I think I can paraphrase it, but you probably have talked about this on your show before in the late seventies. When Jerry Lewis was starring in hell's poppin on Broadway. He did a version of hell's sure, and it was a famous debacle it closed shortly. Jerry Lewis blamed, the critics, and he pulled the gun again, another pulling a gun story. Jerry Lewis pulled a gun on a reporter from New York magazine, you can read that online as well. It's part of the story that the New York magazine Arctic or writer wrote, but he also was blaming Lynn Redgrave for the failure of the show. They did not get along. And I guess one of the journalists asked Jerry Lewis what he thought of win Greg rave? And he said he goes, I should have taken my cock out and pissed on her. Jerry, classy is always. Now, Gilbert's happy. You're a sick individuals. You had a run in with Gerry, you said you told me on the phone that only two comics that you interviewed over the years where we're genuinely unkind your. The only two old guys that were sort of rude were Jerry Lewis and Marty Allan Jerry already. The nicest cliff Jerry Lewis story, isn't that good? It was just very non-communicative. I told it on the show before about withdrew about how. Yeah. Friedman set it up for me. He said he's waiting expecting your call. You can call them right now. That's Jerry pretended. Like he wasn't waiting for my call. And he goes, I never do interviews after drew. It said he'll run interview. But Marty Allen's blame that one. Hardy Allen was bizarre. I was interviewing Marty Allen. And I would say so in nineteen fifty five you were in another comedy team with a guy named Mitch to would what can you tell me about Mitch to would and mardi Allen will go. So so what? Marney was having a bad day. She every question he said, so what what's your point? So so what and this went on and on? And then I was talking to Marc Maron because mardi Allen did Mark Marins podcast as well. And as you know, he Mark does his show out of his house. Sure. And I said Marty Allen was really rude to me was he route to you. He goes, no, he wasn't rude to me. But he absolutely destroyed my bathroom because apparently mardi professed aim at the age of ninety. He said that he looked like he had intentionally ruined marks bath. They go Gill. But I never heard bad stuff about. Mario been in that bathroom you've been Mark. Yeah. That's the first we had Marty on this show, and he was an angel. So this this takes us back gino's going to be very upset. About this. What about this one's right up? Gilbert, Sally, what about the George goober Lindsey story on K. George goober Lindsey was a semi regular on he haw, and he has ramp Jones grandpa Jones was considered the patriarch of country comedy of hillbilly comedy. He was an older guy, very experienced. He was also very conservative. And in fact, talking about the red scare grandpa Jones recorded a seventy eight novelty single in the early. Fifties cold. I ain't no communist. So he's a pretty conservative, dude. G and George goober Lindsey used to love to annoy grandpa Jones at he haw. They all shared one big communal dressing room, with the exception of ROY Clark and buck Owens who had their own, but everybody else was in the same big sort of airplane hangar of dressing room and goober Lindsey used to take his underwear off. And then tuck his cock and balls between his legs like he had a vagina and walk over to grandpa Jones and say he was a girl touch it touch it. I'm a girl. And grandpa Jones would get annoyed storm out. That's. That made him happy. You just made his night. What are you speaking of that speaking of balls, what are, you know, about Mr. Belvedere sitting on his own balls? That's that's Hollywood. I was I was on this aound. I was in the studio. I was doing I was a guest on another show, and Mr. Belvedere was being recorded on another sound state. And over sudden that talk through out the studio was that Mr. Belvedere sat on his bolts. I love that. What do you know about this cliff? I don't know much about Mr. Belvedere is balls. But I do know that. I do I do think that Bob euchre's one of the most underrated and hilarious delirious. She get on your show. Why did Steve Allen fire Allan Sherman? I love this story your friend Steve bender who you interviewed on. Yes. Lovely man old me this show told me this story because I had found a thing in my research that Allan Sherman had been fired just one episode into his to Noor is the producer of the Steve Allen show at early sixties version of the Steve Allen show. And the reason he was fired. I love this. And I don't know why some practical joker doesn't do this more often during Steve Allen's monologue, or when he was talking whenever he was saying anything that wasn't supposed to be funny. Allan Sherman would flick on the applause sign and laughed. Your side. Several times out there. For no reason people started applauding when Steve Allen is talking. And so Steve bender or Allan Sherman got fired shortly. I'll jump back to I'll jump back to a few from the list. But this is one of Gilbert's favourite subjects, and I was reading this part of the book over again last night. And that's the that's the stuff about the nightclubs on the mob. And specifically the Joey Joey Lewis, you know, this story. Yeah. They slid us. Yeah. They absolutely horrible story was working for Capone. I guess. Yeah. He was working. Remember if it was tone or the rival faction was Capone, but he did something he had a residency in Chicago at a nightclub, and he went in accepted another gig without permission. He did not realize that he was you know, the mobs comedian, and you couldn't go and take another gig without their say so he took a gig at a rival mob club. And he said in defiance. He said, you can't tell me what do you don't own me. And they said, yeah, we do own you so later that night at his hotel room. He got visit from three thugs one who was apparently Sam giancana before he was famous mobster. He was just an underling, and of course, cut his throat and almost cut out his tongue. And it's weird. When you watch Joey Lewis on Sullivan later on you can still see the scar on side of his face from sliced. And if you hear him he's in a movie with Jane withers, called private buck ru and another. Movie from that period. And his voice is so gravelly apparently before this incident, he had a very sweet smooth sing song voice. But then afterwards, he just has this crazy voice because he had to relearn how to talk and relearn how to acquire the ability to to speak, but because he never squealed on the mafia he became like their darling. And they set him up all the best nightclubs in America, the Copacabana rose. Yeah. You always played nears Yvonne in those clubs. Yeah. You know? It's funny because we've had a lot of people on the show. We've had Tony Sandler was here. And Ronnie Schell a lot of people who worked for the mob either in Vegas or in clubs, and you hear the same thing. Which is they were better to us than the than the the corporate owners the corporate landlords. But when you read your book, I mean, Jack Carter on the run from a hitman Sheki got beaten up at one point. What's the Jerry Lewis, excuse me, the Joey Bishop story at a club called L Dumbo? Yeah. Joey Bishop was in a comedy trio called the Bishop brothers. And I'm pretty sure that none of them were brothers. There was a guy who lived a long life named Rummy Bishop who drew Friedman loves because he's go crazy looking face. Right. It was in a comedy teams named wish me, but I don't think they are actually brothers. But anyway, she was doing this trio. The Bishop brothers some roadhouse. In fact, there's a photo of the crime scene agai was murdered in the audience while they were on stage, and they just kept performing pretending that nothing was happening because that trade that if they got off stage they would see too much or they would get involved powering through their act. It was in New Jersey some roadhouse in Forty-six and forty-seven. Yeah. And Sammy shore Polly's father witnessed murder from the stage actually before we get to that one other thing about Joey Bishop. Yeah. Do you know, I may have mentioned this on your show before did you know that in the late forties? He was briefly in comedy team with Jack sue. Of Barney Miller fame. No, you're breaking news, buddy. I did not know joy Bishop in Jiangsu did a two man act in the late forties. Didn't last very long. I don't know why. But there's a blurb in billboard about them breaking up after having performed together for awhile shack, sue, and Joey Bishop Gilbert doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It's mind blowing, but what happened to Sammy shore? Sammy shore was playing a place in danville. Illinois, again, a fight broke out in the audience and somebody was murdered. It was a mob related dispute. Sammy shore had a trumpet in his act of the time. And he started performing the saints go marching in just to sort of calm things in some way, just again distract people and keep performing and in doing. So the club loved him. They said you really held it together. When that guy was murdered. We're gonna hold you over for two more months so Sammy to keep performing in this place. But there was a murder for another two months because they felt he did such a great job. Gogo. There's some there's some stories the challenge the idea that the some good all she form. Before we leak episode. Do. I love it. I love all this dark history. Let's talk this this elightened things up a little bit. You sent you sent us this wonderful list. And this is your new preoccupation and that is celeb- celebrity franchises. Oh, yeah. Yeah. In the sixties and early seventies. This was so common mostly because of Minnie Pearl. We were talking about hit. He haw mini parolee Pearl. Most successful fast food celebrity franchise. The time many pearls fried chicken and many perils fried chicken was so successful that everybody else started cashing in and the first person to cash in on this craze. Was Mahalia Jackson. Mahalia Jackson the gospel singer. It was called Mahalia Jackson's Gloria fried chicken. Try to see the list. I sent you. Darah now as many sorry, go ahead. What I remember is Jack Klugman had that Jack's popcorn for a little while he's talking about actual locations. Yeah. But I. Yeah. Well, the list I have here. We have many pearls fried chicken highly Jackson's glorified chicken Eddy, Arnold, fried chicken. These are all chains chill wills chicken, a chicken, joint chill wills chuck-waggon barbecue chill wills restaurant. Killed. Here's Chuck wagon restaurant. Eddie Arnold, fried chicken. Mickey Rooney star barbecue loved that. William Hank Williams. Junior's barbecue pit. Johnny Carson had a restaurant chain called here's Janis and it closed down in a scandal. Because the police got all these reports that people were eating it. Here's Johnny's and getting sick. And they learned that the coffee pot had been spiked with methamphetamines hall down. God, Johnny Carson's restaurant. Here's johnny. There was the petticoat junction theme park in Panama City. Wait, wait, wait, how did the out of the drug skit into coffee? Apparently was some employees was doing something. I don't know. But they tested the coffee after all these people got ill and tested positive for narcotics. Oh, gee, Ricky Rooney's weenie world that I love that one. My whole time fake. Mickey Rooney's weenie world and Mickey Rooney's star barbecue and Mickey Rooney's lime soda. They all came out around the same time when all these stupid harebrained schemes almost every situation including most of these celebrities in almost every situation. It was some sort of shell game where they were met with met some sort of shady businessman who made off with all the money, and then they had to file for bankruptcy. Conway Twitty twenty burgers. Markers guy. Tennessee Ernie Ford's stake and biscuits. Yes. Yes. Mickey mantles country cooking, Roger Miller's king of the road motor Iraj. Your Miller had a motorin called king of the road. Motorists cheeser, great. What was going on in the petticoat junction theme park junction theme park was in Panama City, Florida only one it was one of these things sort of like the bedrock city Flintstone theme parks, where they find people would make a pilgrimage to these areas that were way out of the way if they built this stupid theme park based on a popular entity, but mostly they just kind of rusted away, and they're still elements of these places you can still sort of see the petticoat junction train that they built for it somewhere. But none of these places really succeeded. They have had a very low threshold of success. There was the laugh in going to ask you about the Laffin restaurant. Where was that they sold Bibi burgers? Jeez. Gilbert, how did you never do this in your career? Open. Gilbert's fried chicken. Oh my gosh. Also there was also Steve Allen Honda. He I saw a picture of that that you sent me Steve Jalan Honda. Sense. He ran a Honda dealership on Santa Monica boulevard. Walter Brennan affirmation had the Indian lodge motel in Joseph, Oregon. I'm sure he loved native Americans embrace them. There was Johnny Weissmuller. Johnny Weissmuller, natural foods. There was also a place in Florida called Tarzan land that Johnny Weissmuller was the spokesman for until found out. They didn't have the operate or the legal basis. Anything tarzan? They changed the name to Johnny Weissmuller's tropical wonderland. That's my favorite one of the list white smaller tropical wonderland. Hey kids. Suitcases? Ken berry who Ken berry gift shop. Like a dream. This is like a fever dream. I'm having who's in Encino. It was called. It's the Barry's. This. This is making me so happy. Yeah. It was a berry gift shop in Sinoe. There was the Arthur treater service system is that predates Arthur treaters fishing ships. I would assume was big here in the states. The surgery center of service service system. Yeah. When he was the sidekick on the Merv Griffin show he opened this business because in the third as he was fast for play in the thirties. He was famous for playing butlers like assure ask Jeeves. He created this Butler made staffing service, if you needed a Butler made you phone the Arthur treater service system and say, I need a Butler, and they would supply a Butler for you. And Arthur treater appeared in all the ads again, it didn't last very long. Well, Andy Griffiths good eaten. We've were how did you never open like Gilbert? Gilbert Gottfried brisket world. This is. Ever came to you. Fading white hair and a briefcase. Hey, got for anything is most of these restaurants were in terrible neighborhoods. Like Jack in the box often. If you hang out in Jack in the box. They're sketchy shit going on same with these places. Everything I looked up on many pearls fried chicken about armed robberies. God being held up all these places, and without exception. Most of these people these celebrities got ripped off they got screwed out of their investment in some way or another. It Sunday at many pearls. Brand's family and food aplenty. And of course, plenty many Perot's chicken. Clown. Tasty golden Brown chicken fried deal fashion. Doc degrees. And with just the right herbs and spices. Maybe you get the chance to enjoy dinner with many borough, but you can enjoy dinner with many boroughs, chicken anytime. Say many pearls Chacon his best, but you'll ever know try. Well, we saved the best one for less than that, Cesar Romero's, cappuccino Ristorante. Oh, oh, this I got this. I wanted to devote a whole show. Romero's cappuccino restaurant, a which was this sort of Hollywood attempt at an Italian restaurant back, then the word cappuccino was unknown. It was considered like a real high end thing. But I think that plays only lasted ten months, and they used his drawing a drawing of Cesar Romero as the logo the same way. They used a drawing of Alan HALE junior as the logo. I don't know why. This artist's rendering of these of these restaurants. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to put this out to our listeners because I know they're going to get you as by this post on the listeners society, your your favorite celebrity theme restaurants are okay celebrity franchises because there's got to be even more than this. Why should mention many Pearl was so successful with many thrills fried chicken that she tried to other franchises one was called. It sounds like a euphemism. But the other one was called mini pearls roast beef, which was a restaurant chain. Well, the king fish should. Finish could have gotten. They're gone and gotten a new wouldn't have if you go on EBay, you can buy patches that you can so onto your jacket of the logo that says many pearls roast beef and wear proudly on your lapel. I mean, we know the modern ones good, and then she also opened many pearls daycare centers a series of child care centers, many Pearl daycare centers. Oh, jeez. This still by all the daycare workers have have a hat with a price tag on it. I believe so forced to wear those. I think we also know what went on at the Chuck Berry park country club. Yes. Yeah. Going on there that was a Catskills style resort named after Chuck Berry endorsed by Chuck Berry with his image on all the advertising Chuck Berry's park country. Clubbers wasn't he hiding cameras in the ladies' rooms, you remember this story at restaurants that he owned right, right? Well, it's like Errol Flynn Errol Flynn had a specially designed house with people's secret two way mirrors and secret passageways. So he could spy on all of his guests having sex whenever he would hold a big party. In fact, that that house went up for sale like five years ago to the top Mahal and drive in still full of all the passageways and people's because aero Flynn to spy on people and jerk off. You go. This is all too much. Cliff? We could do six hours or six shows you make us so happy just just a which one which one do you want kill the rat pack movie that was protested by Neo Nazis or how Morey Amsterdam got in trouble with mental health advocates. Hopefully. I like I like anything with not, okay. What do you want to tell that one before we get out of here cliff? So the American non-seed party had this crazy resurgence in the sixties were there in the media lot mostly because of George Lincoln Rockwell. He was very well known Wallace. Sure. And George Lincoln Rockwell who was the head of the American non-c party in the sixties organize a lot of protests against movies. They protested the movie exodus. So they're all these people with Nazi armbands marching in front of theaters that were showing exodus, but when they showed the movie came out with the movie sergeants three charges through the rat pack. Frank Sinatra Dean, Martin joy, Bishop Sammy Davis junior the American Nazi party protested that because of the interracial familiarity of Sammy Davis, and so that went on inch Ikano for a few weeks where if you win bought a ticket to go see sergeants three there would be Nazis marching around out front, and it should be noted that George Lincoln Rockwell's father was a guy named doc Rockwell, and he was a comedian in vaudeville, very famous comedian contemporary Groucho, Marx contemporary, Frank Fay, doc Rockwell was not a racist. But his son became the leader of the American Nazi party, George Lincoln Rockwell, and he disowned his son at that. Point. But yeah, they staged an organized protests against sergeants three. They go Gill cheese as well. All right now, I have to hear the more Hamson. Okay. And then we'll get out of here. Well, I learned that Morey Amsterdam was involved in a lot of. Lawsuits letitia. Well, he always claimed that he had written that song for the Andrews, sisters, rum, and Coca Cola you probably earned that that he. And his name does appear right songs. He wrote the Dick Van Dyke theme. Did he write the theme? Or did you write the lyrics that nobody used all? That's interesting. That's interesting. Yes. That had been written by musician. I sang. Because he did that will. He went to Trinidad on some sort of war tour in the forties. Any heard rum and Coca Cola being played by a local calypso musician, and he basically stole it, still rum. And Coca Cola added a few new lines and the Roman Coca-Cola became a huge hit in the states and all over the world and people and it got back to this clips musician. He said that's my song. And so he sued more Amsterdam and one but more EMC dams legal defense when he was defending himself and saying that they should throw this out of court this plagiarism suit. He said that the plagiarism suit doesn't bear any water because the lyrics to rum and Coca Cola are lewd, lascivious and obscene. Therefore, your copyright is not honored the United States was a weird defense. And he lost the case. Then a few years later Morey Amsterdam Pat Carroll sued Hanna Barbera because they had done. In addition for the Jetsons and thought that they had been promised the voices of. George and Jane Jetson, they lost that suit. And then in the late seventies. You're referring to more Amsterdam was cast in this pilot for sitcom that took place in a psychiatric ward. It was supposed to be a takeoff on one flew over the Kuku NASA comedy. Larry Morey Amsterdam was playing this sort of spastic Jerry Lewis type thing and it was the late seventies. So this was already considered kind of you don't do that anymore. And so. Public health and mental health advocates came after him and ABC for running the pilot. They thought it was going to go to series, or at least more Amsterdam to at and he had turned down the job playing Lou grants boss on Lou grant, when they were preparing Lou grant to do this other series where he played a spastic in a mental ward and believe. Believable. But of course that shooting. Cliff? We could go on and on and on. I wanna recommend the book again, all this. Great stuff is to be found in the comedians. Cliffs wonderful bible of comedy called essential by John Hodgman. And Melvin Mel Brooks. Blurb on the back. It is a it is a wonderful read, you this kind of book, you can read three or four times, and then come and come back to it and find boy what a what a an undertaking and just so happy road, and you so happy you came here, and you came back to us, and you know, so much about these restaurants will you help Gilbert develop Gilbert yet. Palace. I'm sure we can slap some labels on the unsold bottles of Mickey Rooney's lime soda. If you want to. Can you sign? Is that a choir -able? Well, Mickey Rudy you can find some of these weird things on EBay from time to time. The Andy Griffith good eaten paper hats that the people that work there war sometimes show up on EBay collection, many pearls fried chicken patches, there's a lot of matches. You can find matchbooks covers from Alan ill juniors lobster barrel. I don't know what your next book is about. But I hope it's about fun celebrity scandals. And we only got two half of them. It isn't I've been researching will Rogers though, quite a bit for my new book. I can't say what the new books about yet. But I have been researching will Rogers because I left him out of the previous book because I always thought he was sort of boring. You know, you hear a lot about will Rogers sound funny to me, you know, they say you never met a man he didn't like never met him anything like what the fuck does that. Even mean, it's not a joke. It's not a punchline. But I looked into what I learned what it means. It's taken out of context. He had written a list of jokes in his humor column of fake epitaph. Things he wanted on his tombstone and the last one was that Modlin sentence. I never met a man I didn't like it was sort of like, you know, Don, Rickles insulted everybody for an hour. And he would do that Modlin apology and say, we're all the same. We're all here for a bit of laughter would be like this corny Winedown. Will Rogers do that. He would do this this thing of the mock epitaphs, and then he would wind down with this corny Modlin thing and say, actually, I want my tombstone to say, I've traveled the world, and I never met. I didn't like I never met a man I didn't like and after that he said I wish I could die right now. So somebody could start carving the tombstone which was a weird thing to say things taking. About that. He's Gilbert all I can say is take heart because you would have been on Hitler's list. Did you? Broken through in the forties. Don't you think so cliff? Don't you think he made it? He may have you made. Any quick plugs before we get you out of here. No, not really not really. But if people wanna see some images from those restaurants and stuff on old show, biz dot tumbler dot com sort of page that I used to dump all my research materials, raise I'm watching and discovering things I just posted for other people to see and it's all tags. So you could click on the word Cesar Romero, and it'll take you to pages and pages of Cesar Romero related to classic showbiz site. You're still has your great interviews on their. Yes, that's all out there. So yeah. No, no, real plugs. You know, you asked me what I've been up to. And I haven't been up to anything other than watching old movies and discovering these stories, I'm like, you guys. I'm obsessed. You know, why we love talking to you? So come back. We'll do it. We'll do it. Again sounds. Great sounds great rest of these. Well, this is one of the shows. I feel like I have to lie down. Gilbert's mouth has been agape for the last forty five minutes. Feel like I I definitely need. I shall you got Guber pretending head of China. Unbelievable studio, attacking a guy with an axe that we won't go into we won't go into the stories. But what's on that list that we didn't get to list that I gave you of all the scandals the things that oh, we'll do it another time. Just now I just want to hear the some of the list. I don't have it in front of me. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's long. I printed out three pages who Jesus Christ. Yeah. We'll get to. We'll we'll we'll do them next time for sure do, you know, I remember one time working with Dom deluise where he said he was doing a show for Jerry Lewis and Jerry Lewis would come over to him with his stick and bolts tucked between his really? I'm expecting that from you by the end of the evening. I know you're not derivative down Vela. We said in the middle of a million dollars show. And and everything's going wrong. Doing. Add that one of the list cliff. Oh, man. Everybody gets get your hands on the comedians. Go to cliffs great websites, and we will see you again, buddy. Thank you for doing. This is cliff news nozzle. News will novel knew he was famous nuts. Thanks, buddy. Thanks. We'll talk soon. All right. Let my. Get mayo on the road. Don't buy food. Good man today. Dan. Enough. Clam here without canes. 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255. Marx Brothers Round Table withRobert S.Bader, Josh Frank and Bill Marx

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255. Marx Brothers Round Table withRobert S.Bader, Josh Frank and Bill Marx

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Orosa we're doing something a little different this week. Instead of our usual solo guests, we've assembled crack panel of experts to discuss one of our favorites of Jake's on the show the Marx brothers. Josh Frank is a writer producer director and composer who short screenplays and plays including an authorized adaptation of Werner har-. Sobs throw say close. Zone. Sri y. He's the author of the books. Fool the world the oral history of band, cold, the pixies and in heaven, everything is fine the unsolved life. Peter I version and the lost his screening of new wave theatre his newest passion project Easter Rath, son, horseback salad Salvadoran, dally the Marx brothers and greatest movie never made that graphic novelization of the legendary proposed screen collaboration, but tween them Marxist and Salvador Dali. Rava speeder makes his second appearance on the podcast. He's a historian right or in print do, sir. Documentaries. Thick cabinets Viet nam the legendary being Crosby the dawn of sound. How movies learnt talk in? You bet your life the lost episode. He's old. So the editor of Groucho Marx and other short stories and told tales and then exclusively research, folk exhaustively. Research that continue who's doing fresh. Franken me gore of the three musketeers the Marx brothers on stage. And finally on the phone with us from California Bill marks as alleged of fiving person to work with route Joe Arpaio Jayco, he's Juilliard drain musician. And composer whose written compose numerous works for concerts films, and television theater and ballet and do stuff and range and breath on down to memorable albums with his dad. His memoir is all shot. None of our pro speaks. And it's terrific read. Welcome boys. But we can all go home now. Yes. No. Whatever you said about me. I'm so tired. I gotta go down. Are you Bill? Hey, thanks for doing this. My extreme pleasure. So far. Yeah. Do you know these to these two scofflaws that are sitting here with us? Joshua, robert. Yep. I know them, and I and that's as far as I'm going to take with this. I'm not gonna say anything more. Vote count. Now Gilbert, and I were looking at at at giraffes on horseback salad, and by the way, Josh a nice guest who brought gifts, you know, very rare. It a he brought us a poster of the non exist movie Mench and t-shirt or then nonex- his now. Visit you know growing up. I remember we'd old hear these horror stories about someone who dropped acid and they had such a bad trip. They they're jumped off a bridge or wound up spending the rest of the life in Shane asylum. That's what this book looks like TIMMY, well, that's the whole idea. Now, you don't have to do those other. This is a gift, you know. Where he was looking at it before he was saying it was the like the kind of movie that in the sixties people would use his excuse to get high. Yeah. Go see Fantasia and yellow submarine, you I you get stoned and then see those, and this would be definitely a existed nowadays, people would get stoned, and they'd be mobs of people one the watch page thirty four. Has tell us the Genesis. Josh, I mean, this this this thing everybody every Marx brothers fan knows about this this long lost project and say laws long-lost movie because there was no movie, and there was really no screenplay either. Well, I actually didn't I've been a fan of the Marx brothers since I was seven eight years old. And and I've been studying, you know, lost pop culture histories for twenty years now, and I actually didn't know about this until really the last seven or eight years. I heard mention of it at one point just in passing that Dolly had, you know, attempted to write something, but it really wasn't until about six years ago. When I decided that I really wanted my next book to be. Taking a lost or unmade movie by someone or some group of people that I admired and trying to uncover what was left to work with and try and finish their work. I really felt that would be something really interesting and cool to do. So after I finished my third book. I started scouring the the internet for for, you know, all of those lists of, you know, the hundred, you know, great character roles that no one ever got to see or or the fifty best unmade movies. And there is a ton of these lists of unmade movies and on all of them along with Verna Herzog. That's how you pronounce it. It's not very. Me along with Herzog's. He wanted to make this like a Spanish Mexican civil war epic. And then Kubrick's Napoleon Napoleon on all the list, of course, dune. Sure. And on pretty much all the lists was Salvador Dali drafts on her spec salad, and it was really the first time that I saw that. This was legit. Like, this was not just sort of silly myth or this like people were talking about this. And there is even a couple sentences about things that Dolly had wanted to have happen in it. And they were nuts like, you know, like like Harpo cracking a nut on a midget, and then handing it to Groucho Gill. I am graduates the nut and spits it back in them in the in in in the anyway, monkeys and just really crazy stuff. So, but I was intrigued because I I never one just to believe that what I'm seeing in front of me is all that. There is like if there's something about something there's probably more about that something somewhere if you look hard enough, and so I sort of and then at the same time in my head there is that sort of delusions of grandeur thing coming on which is like I could make the next Mark movie. You know, like I could be that guy. You're going to insert a little person where we said midgets knowing boycot. Dahlie, specifically, use the word midget, there you go. I'm quoting. But so the point was is that that's sort of where the the spark of maybe I could do something with this started. And then the more I dug and the more I reached out to the Dalai foundation who sent me to you know, this us. Reached out to them. Did you say Hello Dolly? She's been hanging onto that since you are booked. Surprisingly, the only ratio we booked shoe. I've been sitting on that joke for years. Fuck getting leave. It's all downhill from here. Then. Surprisingly, the Dalai found days. Go ahead. Happy. Josh go ahead. Go ahead Bill for and sing referencing the midget. I just want you to know dad got off. He got a very very good attorney and got off you didn't have to go to jail. Bill. Before it before Josh tells us about his journey of of making this thing happen. Give us a little historical context went when did you become aware of this project? This mystery script. About twenty minutes ago. Aca win Frank call. I would I would say maybe I met Josh last year. And he informed me of this absurdity. And I, you know, I wish them well and low would I know, but it is one of the most remarkable unusual hardcover comic books you'll ever read in your life. Yeah. You really did. Because in in the fashion that it is presented its unique. And let's face it. We're talking about Dali and the Marx brothers. Both entities. Were absolutely unique. And I it was a great choice. It's a it's a marvelous what I would call icebreaker at a dinner party. Give us even more historical context. Tell us a little and I'm going to come back to Josh in this journey, but tell us a little bit about your dad's relationship with Dolly. Well, I I'd rather listen to Josh, quite frankly. Riveted tell them about your mom and her interact with Alex I love this. Harpo wife was the most realistic person about this. Because I think she thought the whole thing was all nonsense. Should she told me that it was now we like to hear what happened to the harp? Yes. Bill the harp said well for those of you who are not familiar with lost screenplays or books, or whatever Robert had the distinct. I'm going to say pleasure of coal riding, my mother's biography. And so he spent a considerable amount of time with Susan. Who was not exactly the most sentimental person entire world. Probably more interesting than all the marks for this put together, she carved out a life of her own in spite of the fact that she she was shuttled as a child from place to place to place to place and never had any friends aroun-. And while she was young until she met Paulette Goddard when she was sixteen or something and Ned wave earns dance class, and then they both went onto these infield follies, and then mom went into Columbia, and Paramount Pictures, and she hated show business from the timer mother put her in show business. She couldn't she couldn't wait to get out. But she there was no place for an attorney except toward her mother who was basic. Kley stage. Mom vicariously wanted to experience success through her daughter. And when she finally Susan Fleming finally met Harpo, and they got married she became this Harpo Marx, totally different entity. And she lived on and on and on for this, man. And if they were alive today, they would still be married. He died on their twenty eighth. Wedding anniversary that day on September twenty eight and so twenty eight and and. And and it's multiple multiplied. Into Infinity will always be very special number for Mark's family. She she could give an opinion on absolutely everything that ever happened on the planet. She had strong opinions about Dolly is that is that what you're you're referencing. Robert, she I asked her specifically about the time with dalley visited them, and there was a language barrier. But she said they spoke with their eyes. But built tell them about when the gift arrived in just the reaction to because I think it's I think it's really practical of Susan, which he well, you tell them as a picture of an Joshua's book. Oh, one day at the door arrived, a huge package with from Salvador Dali, and they opened it and low and behold it was a harp. And the harp was a different kind of harp that you would normally see it's frame was the same. But frame was covered with the silverware. It was all pasted on and it, and it was cellophane over the entire frame and then for the strings instead, they were barbed wire that was constructed for the heart. And this was Dali's present to dad with this weird looking object that sat in our our. Living room. I guess for maybe five or six months, and then one day Susan says, I can't stand this thing. This is awful. Who would ever want anything like that? And she went and she took it to the garbage. And we have no no idea whether that garbage men is where two hundred and sixty million dollars. Gilbert said what it would be worth today. There's a great picture of it in Josh's book where he posed for a mock a gag photo. Righty bandaged up his hands. Yeah. Yeah. He. Dahlie, they had a correspondence before Dolly came over to paint him and Dahlie sent the harp. And then Harper wrote back with the photograph of him with his hands all bandaged up. And and he wrote, you know, you know, thanks, thanks for the harp. And if you ever come this way, I'd be happy to be smeared by you as long as I could return the favor. So he's basically saying if you come to America, we can paint each other, you know, easy to say that hope you're third if you knew Susan it was just a heart. The one could play right? Hell do we need it for? She was really proud. No radical practical in since right boy. Oh, boy, your great great. Great grandparents. Could. I mean, your great great great grandkids could probably were tire on what that harp would go for what I love about about Roberts. Experience with Susan that it it was the way she told it. She never told it to me, he had a very very close relationship with her for winter Urasoe I worked on the book for a couple of years, but I spent a couple of weeks with her in Rancho Mirage, and then we correspond at night visited again, but we talked on the phone we wrote letters and things and she was just really great about it. But what I noticed is. She didn't finish the book. She wanted to keep working on the book sweet about that. Why we never finished up tell you. I'll tell you. I did try to get her to talk about the Dalai visit and the play, and this is not something you'd put on the jacket for a blurb. 'cause I asked her what she thought of it. And she said an absolute piece of crap in a waste of time. I put it in the book in there. That's right. That's right. See this is one of those that if the movie had been made, our I I know would be beyond horrible. But I wish to God it had been made. Yeah. Fat would it would have been fascinating. Well, the keeping is chicken would have needed the money. So he would have been on -solutely. One Janice crowd show. This movie should have been made. Okay. I'm gonna being Groucho didn't actually want. He actually had a pretty rough response to it too. He said he said, it's not funny. It wouldn't play what play like Gilbert if you were Groucho, and I was to ask you, why didn't the Dalai movie get made very Schuco newsroom as my. My. She whenever she started the sentence that she was rather negative. The first two is it came out of her mouth. And oh Christ that was she oak Christ. If it's no good. Oh, Christ is this. And that those were two favorite words. You know, one of the greatest things about talking to the Susan was her complete recanted assessments of the Marx brothers. So it was really incredible. Because when my Groucho book came out, I sent the copy to her back in ninety three when it came out. And when I was talking to her I didn't ask her what she thought of it or anything, she said, I really like your book. I like it better than I like Groucho. I was I was re Bill I was reading your book. And you said that that she was one of the women that would not put up with Groucho insults. Right. And she was at least in my lifetime was the one woman that he respected. Id and dearly loved he he he really loved her. I think partly because he knew how good she was for his brother route. You would say interviews that Harpo all the good qualities that the March for this mother many had were in Harpo, he inherited all of her good qualities. Well, I would like to kick the bucket knowing that I had no enemies. That's really, basically, my my hope and belief that I'm I'm going gonna work on that messes. I because dad died without an enemy. It's not a very easy thing to do. And I I'm trying to emulate him very poorly. I might let's nice Bill. There's a great line in your book, by the way. But I think has been attributed to Ben heck who said the Harpo could light up a room St. simply by setting in it, which is which was thing, I know in paraphrase higher realm of show business. You cannot find anyone with an unkind word to say f Harpo. Yeah. What a lovely thing. I've never found. Anybody with unkind word to say about Bill except the three of us here. Gilbert will have that same reputation. Let me let me just add myself. Let me get back to Josh's book for a second. So Josh, you you also you imagined you imagined it of a certain period, you were as long as you were taking the sort of what if Reid you imagined that it wasn't just made by the Marx brothers, but was made under Thalberg. Yeah. Well in order to pull it off. I felt it was really important to focus on authenticity and make some rules and that I should stick by the rules. Otherwise, it would be a big mess. So the big the first rule was that it was nineteen thirty seven, and this was actually being made then wasn't being made ten years later wasn't. It was being made win. It would have been made nineteen thirty seven the other role was MGM would never green lit it. In a million years had Thalberg, you know, not been there. And unfortunately, he wasn't he had passed away or so I- resurrected Thalberg. And so that he could green light it. Because what really happened is Harpo managed to get a meeting a meeting with Louis b Mayer. Yes, and mayor didn't feel very kindly wasn't a big March purse ES, one of the little known things is that the Marx brothers weren't actually signed to MGM mayor and want them. They had a contract with thal Burg to work at MGM in. What was then like the Thalberg production unit, and the reason the Marx brothers really left MGM after day at the races because they had a clause in the contract that fall Berg was unavailable for thirty days or something they could terminate the contract. Well, he was dead. So he was unavailable for thirty days. They are the actually re-signed with them. She people say, so the they got loaned out or they went over to our kill for one picturing came back. They made a totally separate deal at our for three pictures only ended up making one because room service didn't do that. Well, and then mayor got nervous when they signed with our KO for big money, and he signed him to three picture deal before room service even came out. But thal Berg was. The reason they were there when forward was gone. They were gone. Did I I wanted you to take it away? Because I didn't know what the hell I was going to say next in order. That's here not make mistakes. That history. I also found it interesting that you were a little sad that you couldn't use EPO. You were you were you were being faithful to the period and pusher zippo fan. I think all of us are and actually at the last minute. There is like five days left before the the book had to be. Frozen in time. And I said I'm outings EPO in and I'm adding a reference to MRs Rittenhouse in because I was like oh my God. There's no reference and there's no. And and the thing is that in theory, this the idea of this movie is that this is a prequel to all the Marx brothers movie. So in theory, this is like this is my George Lucas going back, you know thing. So because I wanted to have cleaned a fresh start. I didn't want there to be these others. This is the first story, and I figured that would actually help because I it would make it, okay? For me to put in some references to some of their other movies without it being me stealing from those movies. Because really those movies were stealing for me, you know, because before those. Hold up in court. Take Harpo is playing like a Spanish. Throws you right away. It's not Harpo Harpo playing Harpo characte. Lease. Don't ask me about this part idea. What I did you're waiting to see Harpo and in a week and beeping the horn and the big coat and instead he's like a Spanish diplomat. Well, he's not technically Harpo at first this is an origin. The or. This is the origin story of how Harpo became Harpo. And how the surrealist woman became this, the first surrealist superhero, this is a graphic novel. So you have to have origin story. Absolutely in in. Sorry. Bill. The the book is masterfully of an artfully done by some ladies. Correct, Manuela pretaped Barcelona Spain, she really captures Dolly. She's certainly does. And the same thing can be said for lay out of Roberts. Most recent of the book of it right in front of me. For the three musketeers. It is a phenomenal book if you're Marx brothers fan. And even if you're not I've read it twice before we jump off on this as long as we've got Bill on the phone, and we brought zippo up. Yeah. And we'll come back to the we'll come back to the various books, but but Bill Gilbert, and I and I assume the two gentlemen, sitting here with us are of the opinion that that the Marsh brothers pictures are better with zippo in them. And I would love your take. I think people would be interested to hear. Okay. Versus the three that the Mark March. Better Paramount Pictures were funnier straight through it were really kinda more the Marx brothers. And when they went over to MGM Felber saw them as headliners that they should have been and he made motion pictures where intermittently they were absolutely hilarious. They brought in a love interest long within and more complete of fun for the whole family type of concept for them. My I still think that probably night at the opera is the best picture that they made. It's not my favorite my fav- and hold on here. Hats. I know what you're gonna say. What go ahead you're going to say your favorite picture is go west. Yes. But we forgive you. That I think I think I wanna hang up on you. I'm sorry. We'll get. Reasons. It was my favorite picture because the brothers didn't wanna do it. And they they went ahead and did it anyway. And you could tell drought shows energy wasn't there and chick is is energy was long gone by then I feel that dad carried that picture, and he was so wonderful in it. And maybe that's just because I'm son. And and I I look for little things at the dinner table or when he's practicing the harp with and he's playing the harp. I looked at him in that picture is pure, dad. I didn't see him as our sweet. And and that's why it's my favorite picture but far away not as good as others. Wonderful Harpo picture stuff. They did in this stage to for it in really is the best stuff in the film that opening sequence in the station is really good. Incredible Marx brothers, and it's rarely seen things with the three of them together doing something really funny. And that you don't see much of that. But I don't really watch go west the same way that I watched say monkey business. I know Josh's. Great movie. Yeah. I love that Harpo steals. The show a lot of monkey still I I mean, I think most I believe I think most people that their alternate. The peak was duck soup. I loved the soup but monkey business guy funny. Yeah. I'm a horse feathers guy. Oh, ho is this or feathers giving him? On any given day. I could say duck soup is my favorite, right, right? How I wake up in the morning, it's which was my favorite Param. They'll tell us about being on the set of love happy when you were a kid. What what memories do you have? I was eleven and a half years old. And dad was having a tough time in the movie with the producer. And it was not supposed to be a March for the picture. Well, it turned out to be much further picture in the produce producer had been lying all along. It was to be just a picture. Featuring dead. And anyway, it was one of the more sour experiences in his professional career. But he went ahead, and he did this movie as as the the lead, and he it was not. The dead that I knew right at that time. I've I resurrected his image. When I went to Great Britain after the movie was completed did it vaudeville two or Chico. But he there there was a moment in my time, which I will not forget, and that is I went onto the set one day. And during a break, I said here dad, look at what I just made in school. I had been forced to. Paints or something or draw something and I draw pastel of Palomino horse. And I was so proud of myself, and it wasn't very good. I guess I don't know. But I showed it to dad, and he said, that's the most wonderful picture. It's just fabulous. And and you keep up the good work. We'll of course, I could hardly draw a straight line. But nevertheless, he he gave me that kind of encouragement all along that I really wish that parents would give their children and and give them purpose. Give them a feeling of importance and a passion for doing something that they love, and that's what we had with music, dad. We. He was the most passionate man when it came to sitting down and discovering himself. He was a guy who. Wouldn't have known shush to cove is from Frank Sinatra, but he paid attention over the years and listen to all kinds of music, and he learned how to play things that many harpist couldn't play and he never read a note of music. So we had. Of fun time together developing a way for them to learn new songs. He was I just wish parents would encourage their children the way he encouraged me. I mean, I he he had confidence in me that I didn't have. But he kept routing me softly and Wanda being part of his his professional life for twelve years. This just point that about sure Harpo that I learned from Groucho daughter. Miriam things weren't always so wonderful at Groucho house when she was a teenager and she used to escape and run over to Harpo spouse to be around them because she just wanted to be around him. And Susan always said, why don't you stay for dinner at they just gave her that haven way life at Harper has dream. I mean, there's something surreal about that. What kid wouldn't wanna be there? I said great picture in your book Bill, I guess from Christmas with you and your siblings, and it's just the picture of the picture of happiness, and it might have been taken April because the Christmas tree state play. Yeah. Did stay up a long time and we had lights outside and Jack Aranda Trie and one year was Christmas lights and one year after Christmas dad's. Let's keep them on all your around. So we don't have to. You know of do this again next year, and and he decided that at the end of particular day that somebody might have done something really well in school, or whatever we return the lights on that night. To celebrate minis, I know of paper on horses and Jimmy's of village to do something and Alex is the same. And and so we use those lights to great advantage. That's that's one tree that never came down after Christmas with lovely so other than the ability to speak. It seems like car pro really was that character on screen and off. You could say that. In fact, I think I just heard you say. Bill Bill Tillerson's Gilbert brought up the the not speaking in Robert it's in your book. Tell us about dad turning down a significant sum of money when he was offered to say one word. Oh, that's in Casablanca, David Lowe, wanted Harpo to say the word murder, and well, I could tell either one of you. He's as answer was not gonna tear down something I've spent decades building and he was offered. So that fifty thousand dollars admirable physically the one we're now Upshaw Chikha. What does it do? You want me to not talk for fifty thousand. Would have done for an extra fifty grand in nineteen forty six right? Harpo and chicken agreed to play a UK tour together and chick went out there. I played his own stuff, and they didn't rehearse anything on Harpo came out. Good do something together and Harpo went to see Csikos act, and he came back to Susan. He was really disgusted Cassisa. It's all blue chip doing blue material and really upset Harpo so Chico disappointed Harpo and Susan was really, but I talked about nineteen ninety five. She was still pissed off about it. Yeah. Yep. You're right. They went to the UK because Chikako had to have money and William Morris. I think it was Jack Cal shine. Was there agent there? He said, okay. Harpo you're going to get seventy five percent. And she goes twenty five percent dads. And no, I'm not going to fifty fifty split. And and that was the way it went up. And that's one of the reasons why dad was very hurt by Csikos behavior is that he was willing to do this basically for chick. Oh, dad didn't have to go to the UK really not because he had enough money. But he he was tired. He finished a picture. And it was oh, let's see nineteen. Well, eighty eight twelve and drove and he was already in his sixties. That's that's an imam saw the effect. It had on dad. I think that's what really stayed with her. And why she reacted the way. She did. When Robert was there. Interesting Bill one thing, I really want you to mention that was just very profound discovery for me was when when I came to visit you, and I saw that on all the walls there were paintings. And I asked you who are all these paintings by and you said dad, and it just blew my mind because I've been Marx brothers fan and particularly Harper fan my entire life. You expect something different you expect it photographs from the motive grass from the movies. And the last thing I expected was to find out that my hero Harpo was a painter and and really cared about it. And and I was hoping and you know, that was sort of for me. The greatest discovery in in writing this book, and then telling the story of Harpo and Dolly's short friendship, but how it affected their lives in so many ways with Dali, you know, ending up writing this movie for the Marx brothers and Harpo. You know, really, I think partially appreciating Dali's interest in him because you know, he was painting to and I think he appreciated that that artistry. I was hoping you'd maybe talk a little about that. Well, dad had a heart attack. I forget what year. Gate. I think you start having heart attacks. Okay. And he got very depressed because the doctor said you will not be able to work for about a year, your profession, and so he got very depressed. And and. Decided that he had to find something creative inside of himself. And so he discovered going back to painting it painted over who over the years he'd painted dabbled just a little bit here and there, and there's a wonderful picture of a clown. That's in Harpo speaks at and picture of something. They did a self portrait in my book. And so he he went and he started to pain, and he realized that this was another part of his passion of just discovering things. He was you know, he could have been Christopher Columbus. He was always out to discover something. And and and he he just loved doing it. He would sit for seven eight hours in his. Studio working away and think of it. And then of course, he was able to go back to work, and and then he had another heart attack. And then in nineteen sixty one. He lives after that heart attack. He was no longer depressed. He said what what why am I being this way? I'm I'm from now on I'm on on velvet. I'm living on Ville, it that was his statement. And he. It changed his whole attitude about everything. And if you research what he did in nineteen sixty one till the time he passed the nineteen sixty four you'll realize the collaborated on a on a biogra- his autobiography he did numerous television shows as guest artist, he did number of concerts of charity, concerts. He was all over the place. And even I think even played golf with Sam Snead around in that time, it was a show called celebrity golf, and he was more active in those three years living on velvet than he had been in the previous ten years love that love that. Expressly remiss if I didn't do a shameless plug for the Marx brothers TV collect show. Hey, VDI which contain celebrity golf with Harpo and Sam Snead right? I I heard that he likes to carefully take close off on a golf course. You can I had the privilege of hawking his book when it came out in paperback in nineteen eighty five excuse me and went up and down the east coast, and I wound up on David Letterman. And if you want you can YouTube it, and it shows my appearance on the Letterman show, and I talk about being the first person probably that ever played around golf with the guy who was totally news. I remember what Letterman ask you. Where did he keep the TS? Sure. Did you say building you say in your book that he would he would hit a couple of holes and then jump at the somebody swimming pool to cool off and then get back on the course, precisely a happy guy. It was one hundred ten degrees and and down where he lived in Palm Springs. And so, but he was a he could have been legitimate nudist at famous person. I love that phrase that Bill one there's a phrase Bill once used that. I love he called his father a pioneer nudist. I love that scrape. What about this show that Harpo did a strange showing Russia? Well, I know that. Robert would be able to tell you a little bit about that. I was never here. I hadn't been conceived yet. No excuse Bill. I can tell you. This is the Woolcott or great friend was really the promoter behind getting him to go there. He was the first western artist to go post Russian revolution to play in need and Soviet Union. And he went there in December thirty three he played Leningrad Moscow and in Harpo speaks. There's just some one I recommend everybody. Who's hearing? This hasn't read her immediately catch up and go out and get a copy of that book right now. Stop listening to go get Harpo speaks. Well, actually after you get my book. After. Maters book. Right. Presumably they have our book here, but he talks about the experience of going to Russia, and creating a showed do there. And there's a wonderful story where he is asked to do some of his stuff in front of an arts council of avowed communist with zero sense of humor Claude empty theater, and he's doing the thing is dropping the knives. And they're looking at him like who is this? What are we doing here? And I just read it in Harpo speaks. It's charming. But he went there is almost like an arts liaison to the United States. And he got standing ovations. And you know, he would joke about it. Because it was last name. Yeah. Yeah. The interesting thing that I took away from all of this is that a he had to prove to the authorities that three nine three hundred knives in your suitcase was not to go after the the head of the Soviet Union. You know? And and they said well show us what it is. And he did his routine for the the authorities, and as they and as they were dropping it turns out that they had a carpet, and you couldn't hear the the sound. Dropping which is half of. The way he space everything. And and he was terrified that because nobody laughed at all it was it was but some our another. I don't remember why they still allowed him to do that. Ultimately, just one of the main reasons was that Woolcott. Was really kind of the reason that dad called you said, you know, there's this lady, I'm confirmed bachelor. And I'm forty four years old forty five years old, and she's pressing me to get married. Of course that was Susan. He says I gotta get away from this between pictures, what can you do and Ellie van will cut arranged for the tour of Russia. I just thought I'd throw that in that way. Thirty three. And what is your middle? Name bill. My middle name is let me look at my hang on inside my little Pell here. It says made expressly for William will cut. Mark does something else in Harpo speaks about Russia that I love they assigned him a pair of writers because they thought his show is incomprehensible in the audience wouldn't go for it. And Harpo in the book, Kohl's the writers Kathmandu and risk and off after cow. That's great. And I heard that they they edit. It was just like that was surreal what they did to this show was like people running around on stage. They they made an eighteen minute vaudeville act out of it where he didn't know what the plot was. He didn't care, but he would take his cue and just go do the part where Harpo it's almost like the joke of Susan. We'll talk about this. They give them a more exposure script, and they didn't have a right for Harpo. And it would just say Harpo does something funny here or Harpo business original manuscripts says Harpo business, and it's his job to come up with what Harper was going to do and in the Russian one act play that was apparently eighteen minutes long. They would do this little plot with these Russian actors and then Horford come on and drop some knives. And it all look at him. Like, he was crazy, and they would do something. And then Harper would play the clarinet, and then they would do something they'd worked in. That's really funny. It seems to be like a renting thing. Thing over generations because Dali's script he wrote, you know, this basically a treatment, you know, and it was mostly just these crazy scenes, and ideas and small character descriptions that gave some hints as to what the movie was supposed to be about. But whenever there is going to be a Marx brothers bit. He didn't know how to write Marx brothers bit. So he would put in the margin in between his scenes insert Marx brothers, mayhem here. And so that's how we been going on for generating. What did you think when you found out that he was going to attempt this this impossible project rubber? Well, I thought he was crazy. Yeah. Which if you want to deal with the states of the Marsh rose, that's a good attribute. So I thought he was. Possession that do. You know, it's it's it's really an interesting thing because he took a personal what I love is a guy who wants to cover something about the March. Visit hasn't been touched. Yeah. So I thought that was great starting point for him. I also wanted to say that this podcast is very much like one of the Paramount's because zippo vanished after twenty minutes. Conversation. Got more. What I what I? Got Gumma questions, buddy. I I had lunch with most list. Talk a little Gumbo. This story. I don't know if either one of you if you probably know it wanna tell it of Harpo when he was in a cab with Alexander, Woolcott and Alexander Woolcott falls asleep. And I heard what happened was so we'll cut to sleep in the cab and Harpo says to the cave driver. He gives them directions to like, a a strip club in Brooklyn. You know, the story rubber no. But I like it, and and he you know, and and Harpo gets out at his stop and cave. Drivers driving him to strip club in Brooklyn Woolcott and then at about three in the morning. The phone rings had Harpo spouse and Harpo says Hello, and we'll cut goes you fucking Jew. I've heard that stores juice out of a bit. You know, this ring a bell bell funds. I have a Gumbo story. I think Frank is going to go for it. Because this is a Bob Mark story whose bills cousin good friend of all. And when Bob was about nine years old. They were asking the kids in the classroom who their fathers were what they did. And Bob said that his father was Harpo and Harpo was, you know, the ideal father everybody bilking test of that when gum found out. He says Bobby why did you tell them that? Harper was your father dad who have heard of you? Yeah. It it. It could be a knife in the back. You know, you look at it that way. But no is just a kid, you know, trying to make it in a in in the school room. You know, that's all and in. This doesn't have a main bone in his body. But I guess he was just being quite honest guy, though. He's funny at nine. That's a good one. Yeah. And. Yes discussion before we got on the air of some stuff that and I think crouch. Ooh. Would get in trouble a lot when he'd be interviewed. Yeah. And there's some really good stuff in some of the interviews from the seventies where he was not caring anymore, and maybe a little compromised, and you know, it's all well known to everyone that Gilbert's impersonation of old man Groucho Gilbert's, also compromised. We could tell this because gut to meet Csikos daughter, Maxine towards the end of her life, and he used to do a pretty devastating imitation of Groucho as an elderly man, and he would freak Maxine out with it occasionally. And this interview was done in the Richard J nobody did book will no doubt scrap marks for the scrapbook with a lot of really great interviews with Groucho, but Groucho trying to sue to have the book stop. But it was too late because the interviews were published uncensored, shall we say, and there's one of them where he's talking about a particular act that the March brothers had before chick was with them. And nobody innocently says to Groucho ready over. Yeah. Innocently says to Groucho and where was Chikao at this time. Sure, go where's out catering? Con. Just do what I'm told Frank. I'm sorry. Having flashbacks. We can cut any of this out, by the way. I mean to around that time I remember after he did his one man show. They interviewed him for some, you know, bunch of interviews, and he started like going, you know. Well, Joe JR. Burn tried to do one man shows. Terrible and known saw it. And it was he he was constantly getting in trouble like that. He was unfortunately, not quite himself at a certain point. And there are some speculative things about him being Medicated. Beaded? You know, I it's a whole other show about the later years of Groucho mill bell, you you were at the house for over for a lot of those those those Groucho special evenings where he would have guests over Elliott Gould, and bud court and all of those people what what what were your memories of those evenings. And also were dying to know what what would you think of Erin? Okay. I'd like to address one more gum-os story. Okay. And I would like to finally includes zippo in this entire conversation. Just like did a tire about. Fed's called gum. Oh and said, we're looking for your brother were Izzy and KOMO said why because Goma was there personal manager? And they said we. The IRS is after him. And we he owes money and all this kind of thing and Gumma said, well, you guys are not looking very hard because he's in only one of two places is either on a horse or a woman check. Oh that was Seppo. Oh about zippo. I love it people who knew him like Susan, especially Zappa was more of a hardcore gambler than chick. Oh. And as much of a womanizer, and the thing that Susan said that always stuck with me as a gambler Chikha was in it for the fun and the game of it. And he didn't care if he wonder what she just love having a game. Zappa would try to kill you. What gambling any wanted to take your money, and he want to take it all and he was just a violent gambler. This is like Susan talking about and he had a bit of a gangster streak. And is a great story that when check oh got married. For the second time in nineteen fifty eight zeppelin was going to be his best man, but he was unable to attend because he was under federal subpoena and recketeering case in Indianapolis. Well, that's right. That's right. You knows his stuff. What what about those nights at Groucho Bill? I mean, I've heard you say that he was never really happy unless he had an audience. Yeah. He never was. He was all fish out of the water. Let's see on the ans-. He was basically pretty unhappy kinda guy toward the end 'cause his whole life is was performing seal he had to be on the had to do something. And so Aaron Fleming his girl Friday Saturday and Sunday, she made sure she would arrange these parties. I remember them being mostly on Thursday night. And we're everybody would come up the hill to where he lived in trusdale states to pay to captain Spaulding, or Dr heck and Bush neither of which were there anymore, but grou- show would be in. Well, you would be in his eighty. As then, and they would invite people for dinner, and then a show, and it was it was I just wish Salvador Dali had been there because it was about as bizarre experience we had people making an effort to enjoy themselves rather than just enjoying themselves, occasionally they did. But it was it was kind of a Cobb thing. To be a part of until ground show got up and sang peasy we's is a bull bed, man. And then the the party came to life. I played the piano there. Grout show had me. And I we met everybody there. I mean, there was always somebody showing up three or four five people went on until one two o'clock in the morning and Groucho was. The the only time drought. You was happy was when he was performing then he would go in at about nine o'clock at night and have is. A picture of with a couple of beautiful girls that would lie next to the bed. And then he would go off the sleep and party would just keep going on without him. But truly for me. And I was only in my thirties at that time. I didn't really know what was going on in terms of how unique this evening would be or or any of these evenings. 'cause all I did was just observe people. And and it only came to my mind, how strange the whole thing was years later. It takes a little time for things to sync into me. And when you have a different perspective, and you look back and you say, oh my God. I I was in numb nuts at that. Time. I didn't really and in answer to your question about Erin Fleming. I would say she was a real piece of work. And I. Just went along with the program and for where it's worth. She kept ground show alive for seven years by appealing to his ego by finding things for him to do to get get an Academy Award to this that she would throw these parties. So that he could perform for a half hour, and she and he would sing PC Weasley that was the big. And then of course, he he would sing, you know, of Father's Day or one of those songs, but most importantly, she kept him going for better for worse. And there and believe me it was worse. But the better part was that she appealed to who Groucho really thought he was and she was able to control him like no other woman could and that's why he had an extra seven eight years with her. And and in his wife. Yeah. She she knew the buttons Bush chip. This show ever have profound observations. Never. Okay. We'll try. Yeah. At the time for one. Yeah. At the age of fifteen Groucho is being pushed to perform by a very ambitious women who woman who wanted to show biz as mini mini was living vicariously through fifteen year old Groucho at the age of eighty five. He's in the exact same position with Aaron fascinating. It's fascinating. Wonderful observe -ation. Yeah. I just made it up. Yeah. Yeah. If if not for Al Shane, what would what Groucho have gone into show business? Anyway, he wanted that badly was many pushing them that hard Zep their interview with the BBC at the end of his life. And he said route show would have made it in show business because he wanted it on his own the rest of us would probably have debtor in jail. Interesting. So even even it wasn't just Al Shane success. It wasn't just got success probably attracted Groucho. That's kinda got him going on it or we're gonna say go. Oh, I was I was gonna put you on the spot Bill. I do all our guest. If you know the words could you sing any appeaser wheezy for us? And. These wiz is bold bad, man. He will catch you. If he can pays you easy was a bold. Man. Picturing Groucho chasing Dinah Shore. The. Book. I. Bill. That was terrific. They'll built tell us his story from your book is about you. You performing an Allentown Pennsylvania in nineteen eighty five. It's a sweet story. Oh, yeah. It was called symphony hall. I did a tour going be artists within the gal who played the harp. And we did all dad's arrangements, and we had a book show. And that's how I first met. Robert he came down to see it. You were in your early twenties. I think. Yeah. So I'm finishing the show and we go back to dressing room. And and young man comes up is in his thirties. And he said, I just want you to know Bill that my dad was in the pit in rehearsing animal crackers, when when they would do try the show out before they went so as of nineteen twenty nine and nineteen thirty I can't remember. But he says my dad actually performed for them with them work spreaders. With his dad or is grandfather. I think it was his Dan anyway, and he said, well, even more. So your dad performed on this stage, and you are now dressing in the dressing room that he dressed in that. All those later sixty six years later. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And it it goes to show you things come around. And that was an amazing moment in my life to to find somebody in. What was it Frederick Marilyn Allentown? Story. I never correct Bill. So I'm probably wrong, of course. No, right. It was all say she is which had its world premiere in Allentown, and it was nine hundred twenty three got it got it. Okay. I'm gonna let you guys make the case, for example, because I know Josh is a big EPO fan and he's a monkey business. I say something that Groucho said about Zep go he said with zippo. Our act was worth a million dollars without him. It was worth two million. Joke about how to make a million dollars in the restaurant business. But Josh because you you were you were sorry that you couldn't includes up. Oh, and I heard you making the case for zippo, particularly animal crackers. Yes. No. I it was something about them. There was something that that he brought that not even the zippo impersonators. Alan Jones and Tony Martin brought to it. Yeah. I mean, well, so I at the very beginning of this of are talking saying, I really wanted to include him in some way, and I ran out of time. But I I I told I made a deal with the publisher that if we sold the amount of copies we needed in order to redo reprint that I wanted five days to add in zippo and MRs Rittenhouse to to the end of it somehow. But yeah, no. I mean, I I know a part of my love for. Zepos characters in the movies was because I grew up rewatching animal crackers coconuts duck soup, particularly monkey business. When I was when I was little, and I think that as a child seeing Zep. Oh, he was I you can't I don't like calling him the the straight man because he was really funny. I mean, he he he wasn't Harpo funny. Wasn't groucho. Funny wasn't. But he he made the comedy of that work. And so therefore he was a part of that funny that was happening. And but I feel like he was the one you could you could relate to him as the as the normal one. And you know, when you're little you'd think of yourself as the normal one. And then when you get older, you think of yourself as the the crazy one, you know, he had a certainly had his moments. The hunger dunker seen Zappa has a surreal gig in duck soup what he comes in with his hat his hats been sliced half. It's great. You know, there's a lot to be said Zep and his acting. I mean, that's funny. You mentioned that moment because we showed duck soup at my first book event in in Austin last week. And you know, it's there's these beautiful pristine prints now where you see every little every little crease in the characters because of you know, the the highly recommend the Blu Ray of it set of the Paramount's the Blu Ray great. But you can really see the reactions, and when when when Zappa turns around after the hat breaks, and he throws it taste. He's it's it's like it's perfect. I wish they gave them more funny to say that Zappa was really appro because he was on stage with them for a number years. And he was good. And the thing that I think really is example, gets the short end of the stick is those Broadway musicals had to be cut down significantly to be made into talk. Movies in the early part of talkies and like resentful animal crackers on the Broadway stage was two hours and forty minutes long. And the first thing they do is cut out most of the musical numbers, which in many cases feature the four them animal crackers. You had the song? We're for the three musketeers. Yep. Which I stole the title of my book, but Zep, oh, really lost a lot of his action as part of the team when those two plays were converted into movies. And he has more to do in the first original thing, they wrote for the screen and monkey business mostly because monkey business is expanded version of home again. Yes, they're great vaudeville show. All that stage of really featured the four Marx brothers. And what I love about the Paramount's is the direct link to what they did on stage those scenes where the for the lobby thing in coconuts when they're walking past each other over and over this is stuff that they really perfected from being on stage as a quartet for years. So I think that's the great. Loss when he's out of the act, and though that one of those special to me. Delivered line and duck soup that was funny because of this what was happening, but the way he delivered. It was just wonderful. Hey, you're shooting your own man. Something about the four of them. And that just. It's hard to put your finger on balance balance, somebody would occasionally right of very sublime wonderful line, for example, in monkey business when he's trying to fort with a girl is this a mighty pretty country around here. Yeah. You're in the middle of the ocean. Yup. So I like to think that it gave Groucho somebody to play with because Harpo and check oh, always had each other and Groucho didn't not interact ton with Harpo on screen, and I like this. I like the balance is Josh said, I like the balance the symmetry of the four of them, and you'd think zippo in a situation like that would seem completely at a place. And yet he seems comfortable and the scenes he doesn't you don't go. What's this guy doing there? I think the said thing present, but was he was much more talented than he was ever let a show in the March for this because he joined them to replace gum. Oh, who by his own admission was pretty terrible onstage. And he was he had stage fright. He stammered and Groucho spent many years covering for him when he would lose a line and stammer it may Groucho a better ad-lib or having a cover for gum. Oh, but zippo comes into the act at a point where that fourth marks per doesn't, really. Do all that much gum nearly shows. Played Groucho son Zappa was young enough to really pull that of gum-os only two years younger than Groucho zippo is eleven years younger the grouch. So they really continued playing that bit where he was the son Zappa comes in when they're doing home again. So it kind of Sayid his growth guy Bill. I have a question to throw out you guys. Can you imagine Nep oh, not in regular suit? But in something that the Marx brothers created, you know, for themselves being in in normal, everyday clothing that represented something probably more than zippo. I just wonder why they didn't openly dress him up. Is it just because they wanted him as the principal. For the lesson in duck soup. Interesting, right. Yeah. You're you're right about them. But can you imagine zip of being in anything other than normal business? You're onto something he sort of becomes viewpoint character normal guy. It's also interesting Cary Grant, cited Zepos style and his look something that influenced him amazing amazing. We know you gotta head out of here. Bill. You got time for two quick questions. Sure capitalists out the coda appeal. I think it's a General Grant is absolutely right here. What what was it like you were all of twelve years old, and you went on tour with with Groucho and uncle chick? Oh, no, no, no, just chick. Oh and dad. Oh, excuse me. I'm sorry. I misspoke. Yes, chick chick when you're father. And you were you would put the your one of your responsibilities was putting the knives that we talked about before all the cutlery up the sleeve. I became his prop man and. I've been a part of those props all the way up until about two or three years ago when I divested myself of the responsibility of looking after them, and I got rid of them. But I I was always a part of the act at least dad made me always imported the act. The props. No, they're all at the perhaps all at a low. I still have a few. I if you house, but most of them went to the academy motion pictures, right? And and so, but I always felt I mean, those those props and that prop trunk and and oh lot of weird items. Have always come with me wherever I moved and wherever I went. It was my responsibility from the time. I was twelve at least I felt it and was in a way it was so good to get rid of them and put them in a place where maybe a bunch of people can look at them instead of the twelve people that can through my house every year. It was I it's it's their responsibility now to make those things available for generous of you. And. Put you on the spot. One more time again. And that's because you're on call. You know is in the team of Gallagher and sheen. Can you sing if you know the words a little bit of their big song? They're big song of Mr Gallagher, Mr. she did it, and I never really memorized the lyrics on that. But I do know the melody it it kind of escapes me missed a Gallagher, positively missed a sheen chain. Yeah. That was I I have one one quick story Groucho story if you've got time Lutely he donated a lot of his letters to USC library in Los Angeles. And they had a big lunch forum and phantom was there, and it was the MC and all and. If he. He introduced drought show and grout show was to sing a song. And I forget it was the show me a rose or something like that. And so and I company at him and about halfway through show me a rosy. He wound up in Omaha Nebraska, which was another song. He just lapsed into that. And but I followed him, and I got I got through it. So our another and as a finished strong with fathers day. Okay. But we didn't rehearse that. He just he just went off into space. So coming back to. The table. And I'm sitting there and grow should comes over to me and. And he looks down. He said, I I couldn't have done it without you. Was the first time he ever complimented me on anything. And I remember it so heavily and it. We never had to have you know. Hey, grouchy were great or Bill. You really did this or whatever it is. It was the only time and it was about three or four weeks before he passed away. Let's. Yeah. It is. And there there is there was a warm spot in Groucho. He didn't wanna show it very often. And I don't know whether he was the one that said every time a friend of mine as a success. I dial a little well that was ground show. He was envious of people. But he he he had a warm spot somewhere that would come out now. And then and that was one of the moments for me. Anyway, let's story. Tell us real quick bell about his last performance with believe Allan Sherman last time that I mean. Yeah. Yeah. Dad's less cures me dad's last performance it going back. Well, my mother, and I used to always stand in in the the wings terrified flop sweat because he he was getting up in years and all of that and was in Pasadena civic auditorium and people like Steve Allen were there. And and to it was Allen Sherman did the first half and dad was to do the second half, and they close out together. And at the. At the end of the intermission after the first act and came back, and he noticed that the there was a bottle of champagne on his couch and dad dad said this is for you. Because as of now, this is my last show. I'm retiring from from the stage and the screen and everything else and Alan when do tearful fit and dad went out the second half of the show. And and was just wonderful, my mom, and I were standing in the wings and fearful that he was gonna screw up is harp. So and and forget what he was supposed to do. And it all worked out pretty well in a very. End. And when came out and said. You in the audience or experiencing historic day. Harpo Marx has announced his retirement from the entertainment industry. And there was a big sh in all of that kind of thing and his he said Harper widget come out, and and take a bow and so forth and so on and so dad came out from the wings and went to the microphone and instead of playing or whatever he did a he took the microphone, and he said fifteen long years, I've told them labored for your happiness, and he went on that was his bar, mitzvah speech. Concluding with it gives me great feeling to know that you folks have. With your keenness and perspicacity have recognized. True, true talent and and monumental meglomania. I thank you. What a great. And then he said and say, hey, this this talking racket ain't bad. I I should've stayed with it, you know, and the audience went crazy. Must have been two or three minutes of. And that's a long time to be in that audience that night, what a gift what a gift, let's get some plugs in here guys Bill, the website Harpo place dot com. Yep. Great stuff there. And it was it was conceived and made possible by gentlemen, who is I would have to say I could be almost as grandfa- there. His name is mad Hickey and. He did work like this. And he was a huge expert fan, a very close friend, Robert baiters, and he did that design and put in all the stuff. I'm so proud of that that particular website. It's called Harper's place dot com. All is it's it's it's thank you. It's it's it's a wonderful wonderful primer for anybody. That's interested in in dad is family. Life is is musicianship. His paintings are in there. And is is. And there's a whole segment segment in there where I opened up his prop trunk and demonstrate a lot of the things that are there. So it's it's well worth a good look, and we're going to plug your book, which people can still get son of Harpo speaks it's on Amazon and full of great stories, including your own personal stories and your own personal journey and your journey to discover your the of the the circumstances of your adoption, which is very touching. Thank you. Yeah. That that is they're two separate stories that I tried to put together in some way, there were different chronologically didn't happen at the same time. But it's it's it's a Hollywood story. It's it's bizarre. The real Josh Frank dot com. And the book Il birth. Right. Let me see if I can get it. Right. This time for it. Juravschi on horseback salad, Josh Frank. And then the website for the book has its own site has its own site, which is horseback salad. Book dot com. And it's got a lot of extras and cool stuff. And the most interesting aspect, actually, I feel is that along with trying to really make give people as close to the full movie experiences. They could possibly have we actually recorded the songs that are in the book. So it's a Marx brothers movie. There has to be songs too. You can actually I have a friend who lives in Japan. And I asked him if he'd composed these songs, and I thought he was going to do it on a little four track like nine hundred eighty four track with an audio cassette, and send me a little piano. He put together a thirty person orchestra twenty person chorus recorded all these songs, and they're actually available for free. If you buy the book on on the the books website for the next month. Okay. An ambitious undertaking. This book. And and then some and you guys are going to be doing an event this week this will post this will post well after that. But we can't really we'll plug it retrospective. Well, we'll plug it on social media. But we might have it up in time for the event you're doing with Bill in April. Yeah. I gotta tell you. I'm so excited that I get to be with Bill and Robert in Rancho Mirage where the you know, where we're Harpo lived. And we're Bill now lives, and that I get to spend a day with them presenting the book and stories about the Marx brothers, and that's going to be Pearl twenty-six. Okay. And this masterpiece. Four of the three Marx brothers by the try it again. Three. I'm fucking guy. See I knew it. They sleep. See I the last time I hear about three takes the title when I had the horseback salad your role. I'm back. We'll try to get now. I know what Groucho felt like the yen Noga just doing all been groped Groucho. You're coming. Public speaking listens from my dad. Perfect bill. I had a phone in the insult. Thome written by the great and obsessive Robert S baiter which four of the three musketeers. The Marx brothers on stage. Does get all three of these books. There's a website. There's a website hit me Marx brothers dot net. It's all about the book their stuff in the website that didn't fit into the book because as you can see Frank Frank has to lift the book carefully. It's a little on the heavy side. We'll tell you the research the years of your life that you put into that book. You have my admiration of you do say this. I'm glad Bill mentioned met Hickey. He passed away a few years ago, great guy, and my early days of writing that book he really helped me in ways, I can never even explain because when I was afraid the book was going to be too long and too much about nineteen fourteen. He would say no we need a whole book about nineteen fourteen. So it was the greatest supporter this project. More Marx brothers books in the work. More got a couple of things I'm cooking up. I hope to working on the paperback of this book, which hopefully come out later this year. It's going to have some revisions in the stage chronology because the obsession did not stop with the publication of the book, I assure you there has been okay. A discovery here. And there. Good. Cavite? Yeah. We've got a couple of cool things. I'm actually showing the this week a rough cut of something we're working on about Groucho. Okay. So I will just say that the book for the three musketeers has gotten a really lovely reaction. A lot of which came from my first appearance on this show. I got a lot of male a website, March brothers dot net, which has an Email contact for me. I tend to answer the least insane letters, but I've gotten some really insane stuff from that Email contacting. But there are a lot of crazy March per this fans out that there must be something that makes people obsess about the March for this episode you dead people ate up with a spoon. So they're gonna love I'm sure and one last question if you guys can all do this in about thirty seconds possible. We've talked about favorite movies pick one scene from a March brothers picture Bill. If you wanna pick the same one from go west you can or you can pick a different one. But we'll do Bill last. So go ahead, Robert sweet Adeline monkey business. Okay. Great. One. Josh. Harper doing the puppets seen in monkey business. I love it. I am going to pick either the scene in in Thelma Todd's apartment in horse feathers were Groucho breaks the fourth wall or the Speakeasy seeing took two. Okay. I can't seen my second. Well, the court room scene duck-soo, it's magnificent Bill. The sixteenth centuries. Same of dad playing the harp in front of all the mirrors with the cello. And it was store. The big store. Yeah. Raising piece of film. It has Harpo looks over in the mirror and sees Harpo playing the cello. I lose it down. This was a three unrealized. But we didn't have this kind of you know, the fancy kind of stuff that they can do now with computers, and all that was a really tricky scene, and it was perfect beautifully. Yeah. I like, everybody's choices wonderful Bill. This was great. We thank you for taking the time to do this. And we know you gotta gig. And you're spread thin, and we appreciate this greatly. And I'm very grateful for having the gig. Thank you Bill. You are well worth the way back you. Josh. Thank you Roberts. We should do this every month. Thank you so much. Ill. And you take us out. What heels gonna take a so? So this is Gilbert Godfrey. I cannot stay came to say, I must be go. Glad I came. Outstay to baby through. All right. I and. Fine. Thank you. This was special. You a buy. Godfrey? 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And then I'm going to randomly pick another page. Eight Louis, the one he was in with Sandra Bullock. The catchphrase was. You are. He never gets tired of hearing it never gets tired of hearing it. Would you ten? Possess confess. To give game Gilbert, and Frank's amazing colossal obsessions. Every Thursday, only Stitcher premium. This is Robert Wagner, and you're listening to Gilbert, Godfrey's amazing colossal podcast. And these guys. Hi. This is Gilbert, Gottfried, niche, Gilbert, Godfrey amazing colossal, pod cash, with by co-hosts. Frank Santo Padre. An RN engineer Frankford Orosa? We're doing something a little different this week. Instead of our usual solo guest, we've assembled crack panel of experts to discuss one of our favorites objects on this show, the March brothers, Josh Frank is a writer, producer director and composer, boost short screenplays and plays, including an authorize adaptation of Werner, our sobs throws close, folks. June there. St why. He's the all her of the books fool a world. The oral history of a band called the peak sees and in heaven. Everything is fine. The unsolved life of Peter either's and the lost his degree of new wave theatre. He's newest passion project Easter ranch on horseback salad, Salvador Dali the mocks brothers and greatest movie. Never made that graphic novelist sation of the legendary proposed screen collaboration, but tween the markses and Salvador Dali. Rabbit is spader. Makes his second appearance on the podcast. He's a historian writer in Brindisi, sir, that documentaries thick cabinets Viet nam the legendary bean Crosby, the dawn of sound how movies learn to talk. And you bet your life, the lost episode he's old. So the editor of Groucho Marx and other short stories and told tales and then exclusively research, both exhaustively. Research. At continues doing fresh Franken me gore. Out the three musketeers the marks brothers on stage. And finally, on the phone with us from California, Bill marks as alleged of fiving person to have worked with route Joe Harpo, end Jayco. He's had Juilliard drain musician and composer, whose written and composed numerous works for concerts, films and television theater and ballet and British and range and breath on down to memorable albums with his dad. His memoir is all son of our pro speaks and it's a terrific read. Welcome by but we can all go home now. Yes. No. Whatever you said about me. I'm so tired. I gotta go. Are you Bill? Hey, thanks for doing this. My extreme pleasure so far. Yeah. Do you know these to these two scofflaws that are sitting here with us, Josh Robert? Yep. I know them and I that's as far as I'm gonna take with this. I'm not going to say anything. More. Vote count. Now Gilbert, and I were looking at, at, at giraffes on horseback salad. And by the way, Josh, a nice guest who brought gifts you know, very rare. Eight he brought us a poster of the nonexistent movie dementia and t shirt or then nonex- his now visit, you know, growing up. I remember we'd old hear these horror stories about someone who dropped acid, and they had such a bad trip. They either jumped off a bridge or wound up spending the rest of the life in an insane asylum. That's what this book looks like TIMMY. Well, that's the whole idea. Now you don't have to do those other. See this is a gift, you know. Where he was looking at it before and he was saying it was the key. It's like the kind of movie that in the sixties, people would use as an excuse to get high. Yeah. Like you go see Fantasia and yellow submarine. You first you get stoned, and then see those, and this would be definitely if it existed nowadays, people would get stoned, and they'd be mobs of people wanting to watch wait until you lick page thirty four. Yes, tell us the Genesis Josh. I mean this this, this thing, everybody every Marx brothers fan knows about this, this long lost project, and we say laws, long-lost movie because there was no movie. And there was really. No screenplay. Right. Well, I actually didn't. I've been a fan of the Marx brothers since I was seven eight years old. And, and I've been studying lost pop culture histories for twenty years now. And I actually didn't know about this, until really the last seven or eight years. I heard mention of it at one point, just in passing that Dolly had attempted to write something, but it really wasn't until about six years ago. When I decided that I really wanted my next book to be. Taking a lost or unmade movie by someone or some group of people that I admired, and trying to uncover what was left to work with and try and finish their work. I really felt that that'd be something really interesting and cool to do, so after I finished my third book, I started scouring the, the internet for for, you know, all of those lists of, you know, the hundred you know, great character roles that no one ever got to see or, or the fifty best unmade movies. And there is a ton of these lists of unmade movies, and on all of them, along with Verner Herzog. That's how you pronounce it. It's not very. Men, along with Herzog's. He wanted to make this like a Spanish Mexican civil war epic. And then Kubrick's, Napoleon, Kubrick's Napoleon was on all the list, of course, dune. Sure, and on pretty much all the lists was Salvador Dali giraffes on horseback salad. And it was really the first time that I saw that this was legit like this was not just sort of silly myth or this like people were talking about this. And there was even a couple sentences about things that Dolly had wanted to have happen in it. And they were nuts, like, you know, like like Harpo cracking a nut on a midget, and then handing it to Groucho you'll Gill. Yeah. I'm graduating the nut and spits it back in them in the home in, in, in the. Anyway, monkeys. I've just really crazy stuff. So but I was intrigued, you know because. I, I never one just to believe that what I'm seeing in front of me is all that there is like, if there's something about something, there's probably more about that something somewhere. If you look hard enough, and so I sort of, and then at the same time in my head, there, is that sort of delusions of grandeur thing coming on, which is like, I could make the next Mark. You know. Like I could be that guy and you're going to insert little person recent midgets, knowing, boy, cog. The wrong show, buddy. Dahlie, specifically use the word midget, or you go let I'm quoting deli. But so the point was is that that's sort of where the, the spark of maybe I could do something with this started. And then the more I dug and the more, I reached out to the Dalai foundation, who sent me to, you know, this us reached out to them. Did you say Hello, Dolly? She's been hanging onto that, since you were booked one. Surprisingly, the only rain show, we booked shoe, type it sitting on that joke for years. Could fucking leave. It's all downhill from here. Then. Surprisingly, the Dalai foundation. Go ahead. Happy. Josh yes, go ahead. Go ahead. Bill furnishing referencing the midget, I just want you to know dad got off. He got a very, very good attorney and got off. You didn't have to go to jail. Bill. Before it before Josh tells us about his journey of, of, of making this thing happen. Give us a little historical context. When, when did you become aware of this project this mystery script about twenty minutes ago? Act win Frank called. I would I would say, maybe I met Josh last year, and he informed me of this absurdity, and I, you know, I wish them well, and low would I know but it is one of the most remarkable unusual hardcover comic books you'll ever read in your life. Yeah. You really did. Because in, in the fashion that it is presented its unique. And let's face it. We're talking about Dolly and the Marx brothers. Both entities were absolutely unique. And I it was a great choice. It's a it's a marvelous, what I would call icebreaker at a dinner party to give us even more historical context. Tell us a little, and I'm going to come back to Josh on this journey, but tell us a little bit about your dad's relationship with Dolly, well, I'd, I'd rather listen to Josh quite frankly. Riveted tell them about your mom and her interact with values because I love this Harpo wife was the most realistic person about this because I think she thought the whole thing was a load of nonsense I should be she told me that it was a lot of non we'd like to hear what happened to the harp. Yes. Bill the harp. He said, well, for those of you who are not familiar with lost screenplays, or books, or whatever Robert had the distinct, I'm going to say, pleasure of coal, riding my mother's biography. And so he spent a considerable amount of time with Susan. Who was not exactly the most sentimental person an entire world. Probably more interesting than all the marks for this put together, she carved out a life of her own in spite of the fact that she she was shuttled as a child from place to place to place to place and never had any friends of our own. And while she was young until she met Paulette Goddard when she was sixteen or something Ned wave earns dance class, and then they both went onto the zinc fuel follies, and then mom went into Columbia and Paramount Pictures. And she hated show business from the timer mother put her in show business. She couldn't she couldn't wait to get out, but she, there was no place for an attorney except toward her mother, who was basic. Weekly stage mom who vicariously wanted to experience success through her daughter? And when she finally Susan Fleming, finally met Harpo and they got married. She became MRs Harpo, Marx, it totally different entity, and she lived on and on, and on for this man. And I if they were alive today they would still be married he died on their twenty eighth. Wedding anniversary that day on September twenty eight and so twenty eight and and. And, and it's multiple multiplied. And into Infinity will always be very special number for them marks family. She she could give an opinion on absolutely everything that ever happened on the planet. And she had strong opinions about, Dolly is that is that what you're, you're referencing Robert? She I asked her specifically about the time with daily visited them, and there was a language barrier, but she said they spoke with their eyes. But Bill, tell them about when the gift arrived in just the reaction to because I think it's I think it's really practical of Susan which he. Well, you tell them. Yeah. As a picture of it in Joshua's book. Oh, one day at the door arrived, a huge package with from Salvador Dali, and they opened it and low and behold, it was a harp and the harp was a different kind of harp that you would normally see it. It's its frame. It was the same, but frame was covered with the silverware it was all pasted on and it, and it was cellophane over the entire frame. And then for the strings instead, they were barbed wire that was constructed for the heart. And this was Dali's present to dad with this weird looking object sat in our, our. Living room, I guess, for maybe five or six months and then when day Susan says, I can't stand this thing. This is awful. Who would ever want anything like that? And she went and she took it to the garbage and we have no no idea whether that garbage men is where two hundred and sixty million dollars. Gilbert said what it would be worth today. There's a great picture of it in Josh's book, where he posed for a mock fo a gag photo. Righty bandaged up his hands. Yeah. Yeah. He. Dahlie, they had a correspondence before Dolly came over to paint him, and Dahlie sent the harp and then Harper wrote back with the photograph of him with his hands all bandaged up and, and he wrote, you know, you know, thanks. Thanks for the harp. And if you ever come this way, I'd be happy to be smeared by you as long as I could return the favor. So he's basically saying if you come to America, we can paint each other easy to say, oh, what would that be worth it? If you knew Susan it was just a harped in the one could play. Right. Hell, do we need it for? She was really proud. No. Radical practical right in right free since. Right. Boy. Oh, boy, your great, great, great grandparents. Could. I mean, your great great, great grandkids could probably retire on what that Harper would go for. Well, I, I love about about Roberts and experience with Susan. That it, it was the way she told that she never told it to me, he had a very, very close relationship with her for years. So I worked on the book for a couple of years that I spent a couple of weeks with her in Rancho Mirage, and then we corresponded lot night visited again, but we we've talked on the phone. We wrote letters and things and she was just really great about it. But what I noticed is she didn't wanna finish the book. She wanted to keep working on the book sweeter by that why we never finished. Yeah. I'll tell you, I'll tell you I did try to get her to talk about the Dalai visit and the play. And this is not something you'd put on the jacket for a blurb, because I asked her what she thought of it, and she said an absolute piece of crap in a waste of time. I actually put that in the book you did in there. That's right. That's right. See this is one of those that if the movie had been made are, you know, I, I know would be beyond horrible, but I wish to God it had been made. Yeah. Fat, would it would have been absolutely fascinating. Well, the key thing is chicken would have needed the money so he would have been on how -solutely. One Janice crowd show. Why this movie's should have been made? Okay, I'm gonna being Groucho didn't actually want. He actually had a pretty rough response to it too. He said he said, it's not funny. It wouldn't play wouldn't play like Gilbert, if you were Groucho, and I was to ask you, why didn't the Dalai movie get made very Schuco newsroom on as my father would say she whenever she started the sentence that she was rather negative. The first two words it came out of her mouth. Oh, christ. That was the she oak Christ, if it's no good old Christ is this, and that the, those were two favorite words. One of the greatest things about talking to Susan was her complete recanted assessments of the Marx brothers. So it was really incredible. Because when my Groucho book came out I sent the copy to her back in ninety three when it came out. And when I was talking to her, I didn't ask her what she thought of it or anything she said, I really liked your book. I like it better than I like Groucho. I was I was re Bill, I was reading your book, and you said that, that she was one of the women that would not put up with Groucho insults, right? Yeah. And she was at least in my lifetime was the one woman that he respected and dearly loved. He he, he really loves her. I think partly because he knew how good she was through his brother, Groucho would say an interviews that Harpo all the good qualities that the March for this mother many had were in Harpo he inherited all of her. Good qualities. Well, I would like to kick the bucket knowing that I had no enemies. That's really basically, my, my hope and belief that I'm gonna I'm gonna work on that as MRs I 'cause dad died without an enemy. It's not a very easy thing to do. And I, I'm trying to emulate him very poorly. I might let's nice Bill. There's a great line in your book, by the way. But I think it was been attributed to Ben Hecht, who said, the Harpo could light up a room St. simply by setting in it, which is which was interval thing. I know paraphrase some higher. Realm of show business. You could not find anyone with an unkind word to say, f Harpo. Yeah, what a lovely thing. I've never found anybody with an unkind word to say about Bill, except the three of us here. Yeah Gilbert, we'll, we'll have that same reputation for you. Let me let me just ask myself, let me get back to Josh's book for a second. So did Josh you. You also you imagined. You imagine it of a certain period, you were as long as you were taking this sort of what if Reid you imagined that it wasn't just made by the Marx brothers, but was made under Thalberg. Yeah. Well in order to pull it off. I felt it was really important to focus on authenticity and make some rules, and that I should stick, by the rules, otherwise it would be a big mess. So the big the first rule was that it was nineteen thirty seven and this was actually being made then wasn't being made ten years later wasn't. It was being made win. It would have been made. Nine hundred thirty seven the other role was MGM would have never green lit it in a million years, had Thalberg. You know, not been there, and unfortunately, he wasn't he had passed away or so. I- resurrected Thalberg. And so that he could green light it because what really happened is Harpo. Oh, managed to get a meeting a meeting with Louis b Mayer. Yes and mayor didn't feel very kindly. There wasn't a big March purse PS, one of the little known things is that the Marx brothers weren't actually signed to MGM mayor didn't want them. They had a contract with thal Berg to work at MGM in what was then like the thal Berg production unit and the reason the Marx brothers, really left MGM after day at the races, because they had a clause in the contract that if fallbrook was unavailable for thirty days or something they could terminate the contract. Well he was dead. So he was unavailable for thirty days. They are the actually re-signed with MGM people say, so the they got loaned out, or they went overkill for one picturing came back. They made a totally separate deal at our k over three pictures only ended up making one because room service didn't do that. Well, and then mayor got nervous when they signed with our KO for big money, and he signed him to three picture deal before room service, even came out, but thal Berg was the reason they were there when Faubourg was gone. They were gone. Did I step on you too much? I wanted you to take it away because I didn't know what the hell I was gonna say. Next in order here, not make. Why here not make the you know, that history, I also found it interesting that you were a little sad that you couldn't use EPO. You were you were you were being faithful to the period, s and pusher. Zippo fan. I think all of us are. And actually, at the last minute there is like five days left before the, the book had to be. Frozen in time. And I said, I'm outings, EPO in, and I'm adding a reference to MRs Rittenhouse in, because I was like, oh my God, there's no reference, and there's no. And, and the thing is, is that in theory this, the idea of this movie is that this is a prequel to all the Marx brothers movie. So in theory, this is like this is my George Lucas going back, you know, thing, so because I wanted to have a clean fresh start. I didn't want there to be these others. This is the first story and I figured that would actually help because I it would make it okay for me to put in some references to some of their other movies without it being me stealing from those movies, because really those movies were stealing from me. You know, because this happened before those it. That'll hold up in court. My loving, take and Harpo is playing like a Spanish, that's what throws you right away. It's not Harpo Harpo playing Harpo character. Please. Don't ask me about this part. I have no idea what I did. You're waiting to see Harpo and in a week in a beeping the horn and the big coat. And instead he's like a Spanish diplomat. Well, he's not technically Harpo at first, this is an origin. This is the order. This is the origin story of how Harpo became Harpo and how the surrealist woman became this, the first surrealist superhero, this is a graphic novel, so you have to have origins store absolutely in in. Sorry. Bill. The, the book is masterfully of an artfully done by some ladies correct. Manuela, partake in Barcelona Spain. She really captures Dolly. She's certainly does. And the same thing can be said for lay out of Roberts, most recent Duboc of it right in front of me. For the three musketeers. It is a phenomenal book. It is, if you're Marx brothers fan, and even if you're not I've read it twice before we jump off on this as long as we've got Bill on the phone, and we brought zippo up. Yeah. And we'll come back to the we'll come back to the various books, but, but Bill Gilbert, and I, and I assume the two gentlemen, sitting here with us are of the opinion that, that the Marx brothers, pictures are better with zippo in them. And I would love your take. I think people would be interested to hear. When okay versus. That the Mark March for Paramount Pictures were funnier straight through they were really kind of more the Marx brothers, and when they went over to MGM fell Berg saw them as headliners that they should have been, and he made motion pictures were intermittently they were absolutely hilarious. They brought in a love interest long within in a more complete of fun for the whole family type of concept for them. My I, I still think that probably night at the opera is the best picture that they made it's not my favorite my favorite in and hold onto your hats. I know what you're gonna say. What go ahead? You're going to say your favorite picture is go west. Yes. But we forgive you. That. I think I think I want to hang up on you. I'm sorry. Oh, well. Hypica- reasons. It is it was my favorite picture because the brothers didn't wanna do it. And they, they went ahead and did it anyway. And you could tell grout shows energy wasn't there. And chick is, is energy was long gone by, then I feel that dad carried that picture. And he was so wonderful in it. And maybe that's just because I'm son and, and I, I look for little things at the dinner table, or when he's practicing the heart, but when he's playing the harp I looked at a at him in that picture is pure, dad. I didn't see him as our sweet. And, and that's why it's my favorite picture, but far away, not as good as others Bill, that it's a wonderful Harpo picture stuff. Did in this stage were four in really is the best stuff in the film that opening sequence in the station is really it's incredible March brothers and it's rarely seen things with the three of them together doing something really funny, and that you don't see much of that. But I don't really watch go west the same way that I watched say monkey business, I know, Josh's, great movie. Yeah. I love that Harpo steals the show. A lot of monkey still I, I mean, I think most, I believe, and I think most people that their ultimate the peak was duck soup. I love duck soup. But I'm a monkey business guy funny. I'm a horse feathers guy horse feathers, this, this love horse feathers. Give it. One, I saw any given day. I could say duck soup is my favorite. Right. Right. Wow. I wake up in the morning. It's which one is my favorite paramount. They'll tell us about being on the set of love happy when you were a kid, what, what memories, do you have I was eleven and a half years old. And dad was having a tough time in the movie with the producer and it was not supposed to be a March for the picture. Well, it turned out to be much further picture in the produce producer had been lying all along. It was to be just a picture. The featuring dead. And anyway, he it was one of the more sour experiences in his professional career, but he went ahead and he did this movie as as the the lead and he it was not. The dad that I knew right at that time. I've I resurrected his image. When I went to Great Britain after the movie was completed. We did it vaudeville tour. We're chico. But he there, there was a moment in my time, which I will not forget, and that is I went onto the set one day and during a break, I said here, dad look at what I just made in school. I had been forced to paints or something or draw something, and I draw pastel of Palomino horse, and I was so proud of myself, and it wasn't very good. I guess I don't know. But I showed it to dad, and he said, that's the most wonderful picture. It's just fabulous. And, and you keep up the good work. Well, of course, I could hardly draw a straight line. But nevertheless, he he gave me that kind of encouragement all along that I really wish that parents would give their children and, and give them purpose. Give them a feeling of importance and a passion for doing something that they love. And that's what we had with music, dad. We. He was the most passionate man when it came to sitting down and discovering himself. He was a guy who. Wouldn't have known shush to Cova is from Frank Sinatra, but he paid attention over the years. And listen to all kinds of music, and he learned how to play things that many harpists couldn't play and he never read Onoda music. So we had. Fun time together developing a way for them to learn new songs. He was. I, I just wish parents would encourage their children the way he encouraged me. I mean I, he, he had confidence in me that I didn't have, but he kept routing me softly. And I wound up being part of his, his professional life for twelve years. Thing I'd like to just point that about your Harpo that I learned from Groucho daughter Miriam. Yeah. Things weren't always so wonderful at Groucho house, when she was a teenager, and she used to escape and run over to Harpo spouse to be around them because she just wanted to be around him. And Susan always said, why don't you stay for dinner at? They just gave her that haven way life at Harper has been like a dream. I mean there's something surreal about that. What kid wouldn't want to be there? I said great picture in your book, Bill. I guess is from Christmas with you and your siblings, and it's just the picture of the picture of happiness, and it might have been taken April because the Christmas, tree state up like. Yeah. Did stay up a long time and we had lights outside and Jack Aranda Trie and one year it was Christmas lights and one year after Christmas. Dad says, let's keep them on all your around, so we don't have to, you know, do this again next year. And, and he decided that at the end of particular day that somebody might have done something really well in school, or whatever we would turn the lights on that night to celebrate minis, I know of paper on horses and Jimmy's of ability to do something, and Alex is the same. And, and so we used those lights to great advantage. That's that's one tree that never came down. After Christmas with lovely so other than the ability to speak. It seems like Harpo really was that character on screen and off. You could say an an effect I think I just heard you say. Bill, bill. Tillerson's Gilbert brought up the, the not speaking in Robert. It's in your book. Tell us about dad, turning down a significant sum of money when he was offered to say one word. Oh, oh, that's a night in Casablanca David Lowe, wanted Harpo to say the word murder, and well, I could tell it either one of you. He's his answer was not gonna tear down something. I've spent decades building, and he was offered, so that fifty thousand dollars admirable physically the one we're now obstruct kick, what does it, do you want me to not talk for fifty thousand? What you would have done for an extra fifty grand in nineteen forty six right? Harpo and chicken agreed to play a UK tour together and chicken went out there. I and played his own stuff and they didn't rehearse anything in one Harpo came up to the good, do something together. And Harpo went to see Csikos act. And he came back to Susan. He was really disgusted Kosice. It's all blue chip. Goes doing blue material, and that really upset Harpo, so Chico disappointed Harpo and Susan was really. When I talked to her about hundred ninety five she was still pissed off about it. Yeah. Yep. You're right. They went to the UK because Chicago had to have money and William Morris. I think it was Jack Cal shine was there agent there. He said, okay. Harpo you're going to get seventy five percent. And she goes twenty five percent and dads. And no, I'm not going to fifty fifty split. And, and that was the way it wound up. And that's one of the reasons why dad was very hurt by Csikos goes behavior. Is that he was willing to do this, basically, for chick? Oh. Dad didn't have to go to the UK, really not because he had enough money. But he, he was tired. He finished a picture, and it was, oh, let's see nineteen. Well, eighty eight twelve and to drill, and he was already in his sixties. Here. That's, that's an imam saw the effect that it had on dad. And I think that's what really stayed with her, and why she reacted the way she did when Robert was there. Interesting bill. The one thing I really want you to mention that was just very profound discovery for me was when, when I came to visit you and I saw that on all the walls. There were paintings, and I asked you who are all these paintings by, and you said, dad, and it just blew my mind because I've been Marx brothers fan and particularly a Harper fan my entire life. You expect something different, you expected, photographs from the crash on the movies and the last thing I expected was to find out that my hero Harpo was a painter and really cared about it. And, and I was hoping and, you know, that was sort of for me. The greatest discovery in in writing this book. And then telling the story of Harpo and Dolly's short friendship but how it affected their lives in so many ways with Dali, you know, ending up writing this movie for the Marx brothers, and Harpo, you know, really, I think partially appreciating Dali's interest in him because, you know, he was painting to, and I think he appreciated that that artistry I was hoping you'd maybe talk a little about that. Well dad had a heart attack. I forget what year yet. If you start having heart attacks, okay? And he got very depressed because the doctor said, you will not be able to work for about a year at your profession. And so he got very depressed. And, and. Decided that he had to find something creative inside of himself. And so he discovered going back to painting it painted over who over the years, he had painted dabbled just a little bit here and there and there's a wonderful picture of a clown. That's in Harpo speaks at and picture of something they did a self portrait in my book. And so he, he went, and he started to pain, and he realized that this was another part of his passion of just discovering things he was, you know, he could have been Christopher Columbus. He was always out to discover something and. And, and he he just loved doing it. He would sit for seven eight hours in his studio working away, and think nothing of it. And then, of course he was able to go back to work, and, and then he had another heart attack. And then in nineteen sixty one. He was after that heart attack. He was no longer depressed. He said, what, what boy, am I being this way? I'm I'm from now on, I'm on, on velvet. I'm living on Ville, it that was his statement. And he. It changed his whole attitude about everything. And if you research, what he did in nineteen sixty one till the time he passed, in nineteen sixty four you'll realize the collaborated on a, an a biogra- his autobiography he did numerous television shows is as guest artist. He did number of concerts of charity concerts. He was all over the place. And even I think even played golf with Sam Snead at around in that time, there was a show called celebrity golf and he was more active in those three years living on velvet. Then he had been in the previous ten years. Love that love that. Expressway remiss if I didn't do a shameless plug for the Marx brothers TV collect Shohei decide which contain celebrity golf with Harpo and Sam Snead. Right. I heard I heard that he likes to occasionally take his clothes off on a golf course. Oh. You can I had the privilege of hawking his book, when it came out in paperback in nineteen eighty five excuse me and went up and down the east coast. And I wound up on David Letterman, and if you want, you can YouTube it, and it shows my appearance on the Letterman show, and I talk about being the first person probably that, that ever played around a golf with the guy who is totally news. I remember what Letterman ask you. Where did he keep the TS through? Didn't you say building, you say in your book that he would he would hit a couple of holes? And then jump at the somebody's swimming pool to cool off, and then get back on the course precisely a happy guy. It was one hundred ten degrees and, and down where he lived in Palm Springs and so but he was a, he could have been a legitimate nudist had. He not been a famous person. I love that. There's a phrase that Bill one. There's a phrase Bill once used that I love he called his father a pioneer nudist. I love that a scrape. What about this show that Harpo did a strange showing Russia? Well, I know that Robert would be able to tell you a little bit about that. I was never here I hadn't been conceived yet. No excuse Bill. I can tell you this Alexander Woolcott or pose great friend was really the promoter behind getting him to go there. He was the first western artist to go post Russian revolution to play in need and Soviet Union. And he went there in December thirty three he played Leningrad Moscow. And in Harpo speaks, there's just some one. I recommend everybody, who's hearing this who hasn't read her posture referee immediately catch up and go out and get a copy of that book right now, stopped listening to go, get Harpo speaks, well, actually after you get my book is on. Baiters book, right? Presumably, they have our book here, but he talks about the experience of going to Russia and creating showed do there. And there's a wonderful story where he is asked to do some of his stuff in front of an arts council of avowed communist with zero sense of humor in a clan world empty theater. And he's doing the thing is dropping the knives and they're looking at him. Like, who is this? What are we doing here? And I just read it and Harpo speaks it's charming, but he went there is almost like an arts liaison to the United States and he got standing ovations. And you know, he would joke about it because it was last name. Yeah. Yeah. Bill. The interesting thing that I took away from all of this is that he, he had to prove to the authorities that three nine three hundred knives in your suitcase was not to go after the, the head of the Soviet Union. And, and, and they said, well show us what, what it is. And he did his routine for the, the authorities, and as they and as they were dropping it turns out that they had a carpet, and you couldn't hear the the sound. Drafing which is half of them. The way he's spaced everything. And, and he was terrified that because nobody laughed at all. It was it was. But somehow or another. I don't remember why they still allowed him to do that. Ultimately just one of the main reasons was that Woolcott. Oh, was really kind of the reason that dad called, you said, you know, there's this lady, I'm confirmed bachelor and I'm forty four years old forty five years old, and she's pressing me to get married. 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Today, we're gonna talk about next up on the Muller report, rolls are going to talk about the difference between Democrats, and, you know, Democrats and finally, we'll look at the difference between moms and dads on the campaign trail. And I'm really excited by today's panel. We have the writer and host of the podcast, dole boys. So excited to have you here you guys. It's Nick liner. All right. We also have the editor at large for Esquire and host of the year with podcast, home of failure. Dave. Nick. How are you doing great? So good. Where are you guys ready to launch into this thing? Let's do it all right. Here we go with dubbing. Number one. The report drop last week and a delirious public nod at it like my roommate who found a tray of brownies that were not for her and ate the entire trae anyway. But now that we have a handle on some of the details. Let's start with the democratic side. We talked about this briefly last week when we asked should democrat pursue impeachment and it seemed politically useless, like they don't have the votes in the Senate to impeach. So why put the country through that? I mean they have the votes in the house to impeach. They don't have the Senate to remove. So I want to look at this again, briefly because if you put partisan politics aside and we didn't talk about this last week. One of Congress's jobs is oversight to be a check and a balance right on the executive branch and is it unconstitutional for them to abdicate that role in the face of actual crimes? You know what I mean? Like is strategic politicking. Like the thing we need to focus on all the time. Their principles thing to. Yeah. I mean I- path of that is, I'm not sure if I'm ready to concede that it's like strategic to not do it, like, isn't isn't there, a Simpson street value in pursuing impeachment? And maybe more stuff comes to light and maybe just through the going through this process going through to what you said their constitutional duty of oversight that, you know, that will fish shift things against Trump, though, shifting against congressional Republicans. I mean, that seems like that could be an outcome as well that I think is, is not being considered. Everyone's talking about this is going to be this political liability for Democrats to act, which is always like the consensus opinion about, like, oh, Democrats didn't do anything 'cause everyone's going to be upset. Right. Here's deal. Everyone's going to be upset anyone right there. He's going to call them obstructionist no matter what they do. He's been doing that forever. Even though there's not been that much to obstruct you know they're not obstructing nominees. There are a lot of PO posted nominees have not even been put up rate yet. The he puts the boy. Name on them. They don't deserve it. He's going to continue to put the blame on Democrats. They don't deserve it. So you might as well, do something right does, and the other interesting thing is like, we, we live in this world where Republicans own patriotism for whatever reason. Me. See fucking read. Right. So you on Syria thing makes less sense. It doesn't make any sense at all the, the right wing. Talk station is called patriot right? Like it's just it is full ownership of that brand doesn't make it any time. Yeah, you there's always either the word America or patriot or like something like that in the title. Yeah. You're right. That like it's unclear if it's not tradition. I think here's the fact of the matter, though, congress isn't going to do any legislating in the next year and a half. Right. Like, we all know that I'm going to do any legislating, so the shit done, Elizabeth Warren has been the loudest voice for impeachment and also the one with the most detailed policy positions. That point she is able to do both. You are all able to do both. That's I, I love when someone a little smarter than me says something smart. And I'm like I can steal that for later. That's a great. That's a great point on Warren. Yeah. 'cause she has been at the forefront about, like both a the both policy and, and deductible the impeachment stuff. Yeah, it's the whole walk and chew gum cliche. At the same time cliche. I think also to like the twenty twenty messaging will still go out there for the presidential candidates. The sitting members of congress can can be the ones driving impeachment. You know what I mean because even Jerrold Nadler, who's like supply is the guy that's supposed to be running all that stuff. He can start an impeachment process and run an investigation do all of that shit while also, you know, co-signing legislation for sure. If you know if there's going to be any legislating, by the way, there is a another one of those debt ceilings, coming up in September last fun for one and all. Having a party have some people over reliving in the era of the constant cliffhanger. Yeah. And I can't I can't do it. It's always sweeps month. Well ask spigot of performance here. Z GOP has been remarkably quiet on the Muller report. I will say, however, that Mitt Romney has come out. He basically it discussed expressed disgust with the president. I mean, basically started by saying that it was good news. There wasn't sufficient evidence that the president didn't actually conspire with a foreign adversary. Okay. That was great. But and then this is the statement he released quote, even so I'm sick and at the extent pervasiveness of dishonesty and misdirection by individuals in the highest office of the land, including the president. I'm also appalled that among other things fellow citizens working in a campaign for president welcomed help from Russia. So that's probably the strong. I reaction we've got from, from the Republicans very little L O cropped out the part where he's like, but I'm rich yet. So my don't. My. All of these policies benefit me, so I'm not going to do anything. I think what's interesting about him is that like he sort of like h shit by having that one dinner with Trump where, you know, remember early on. He had like a dinner and they talked over fillets or something. And, and then he still didn't get secretary of state. Whatever he was angling for still like it was, it was Trump debasing him. It was just like, you know, like, basically telling him to, to bend the knee supplicant yourself. And then I'm not going to give you this thing you wanted anyway. Yeah. And then later on Romney was like a running for office within he did it again. He bent the right again or whatever. And now he's, you know. And then he wrote that up that was like a no trumps heinous. And now he's like, you know, tweeting, of course, you know, Trump responded with something about how he's a loser, whatever it doesn't matter. Mike Huckabee responded know what makes me sick mitt. Not how ingenuous you were to take Donald Trump's money, and then four years, later, jealously trash. And then love him again when you beg to be secretary of state, but makes what but makes me sick. I guess what makes me sick is that you got GOP nomination and could have been potentates so anyway, famous Smith. Mike huckabee. I interviewed him about his his comedy styling. Oh, leg about his influences about his process. Like is, you know, he's he's funny on Twitter. He's the funniest. He's his joke. Craft is phenomenal. And so I, I called like we spoke over the phone, and I had a very earnest interview with him about about influences, which include George Carlin, and Richard Pryor as you might imagine. I mean you can. Yeah you can hear it. But yeah, it was he had no idea, but Disney veil. Where was on the political spectrum, he, I don't know, right? Don't that's hilarious. But yeah. I mean if he if he was if he was, if he took my call and thought I was serious, which he did then I don't know. Is she has that like some of mitt Romney's positioning might just come off as like empty sanctimony? Right. I tell you this is. Yeah. And also, you can have that level, you can say ethical things because you'd Utah voters actually, appreciate you're getting necessarily do that for every state of the union. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people took Donald Trump's money, laying a blood of Democrats. He was a democrat five minutes ago that party that was flattering. Talk to me about why aren't we seeing more descent in the GOP will because I think that's the one thing like Twitter what you were saying about, you know, Romney's in Utah, and he's not up for election for six years, like the one political, the third rail right now on the GOP is opposition to Trump. Like you like you need Trump's supporters in order to win a primary in, especially in a lot of these deeply gerrymandered congressional districts. So I think they're just they're just afraid to touch anything. I would say that the thing the thing about Mitt Romney that kind of pisses me off is because, you know, despite the what you're saying, it's empty sanctimony. He's not going to do anything. It's, it's the it's this finger-wagging like how dare you, sir? Have you no decency sort of thing but he's ultimately going to support all of his nominees and all of his policies. It's just Jeff flake from a different, you know, and I it's more symmetrical exactly. Jeff flake. I'm sure you're like a lovely guy. It's fine. Like cost one as a metrical Asari. Sorry, I think I think Jeff flake and. I, I think a physical insult is okay for some people. No cash. I'd like my, my cheeks are burning anyway. But no, here's a Senator Joni Ernst of Iowa took this strong position. I think we all know who the president is he has a brash demeanor. That's all that's about. All I can say, that's what she said about the report Susan Collins said about the report the report offered, quote, an unflattering portrayal of the president very strong words there. So you were like, really not. Oh, yeah. Rob Portman Senator from Ohio said that the report showed a number of serious actions taken a number of actions taken by the president, or as associates that were in appropriate right? Yes. So that's, that's probably I mean, as far as I could find as harsh as they came, what I don't understand is like, how, you know, how is there not a couple of more nuanced camps? Is it so bad to say I don't really. Support this president. But I'm a staunch Republican. And here's how of you know what I mean, could we is it because there's just no real primary challenge. I mean is the data is everyone, as afraid of Sean Hannity. Say it might might come down simply to that, or it is, I mean, I think a lot of a lot of conservative people see in Donald Trump, someone who will do their bidding. All you have to do is say, I think you're very smart and handsome. And also, here's some things you should do as president does that when, when he when he is very head up about something, it is clear that somebody has just come in to the office and said, this is all very tasteful. Your hair looks greats. And here's here's a Bill Renner what I mean it's flatter him. And he will give you exactly what you want funny 'cause like, Lindsey Graham that, you know, they dug up audio Lindsey Graham during the Kenneth Starr investigations, where he said, basically up he was like these are great, we should do ever. You know, all of that, and now Lindsey Graham is the guy that's like calling for an investigation of the investigators right? And so, again, I think what's interesting is. What is the future of the GOP when they're when they're not clearly demonstrating any morals like this is not up if they're the rule of law party, you know, will ruin happens to the future of the GOP, they're not actually upholding the rule of law, right rule of law and law and order. I mean, those are kind of coded phrases. Right. It's like talking it's the the law protects us. But it does not restrict us from doing what we what like if you're in this group if you're if you're one of us, the law will protect you, but it's not going to stop you from, from doing whatever excesses, you wanna do. Everyone bend the law. And if you're outside of this group though, the law can punish you the law, the law is used as, as a way to enforce our thority and, and, and I think that's like, I don't think the I think they're, they're an inconsistently some people have pointed out someone you, you coined the phrase the cruelty is the point with regards to a lot of these abuses. And I think that's also as a similar with hypocrisy like Lindsey Graham is being hypocritical here. But the hypocrisy is part of the. Point that it the inconsistency lets us know that like we can do it, but you can't we can get away with it. But you can't Trump can do it. But if a democrat tried something similar, we will go after them, right? Cannot cannot, okay. I'm ignorant of this. How did the how did the. Okay Clinton's impeachment came out of whitewater. Yeah. Let investigation started with a real estate Ray. Right. Then evolved. He was just constantly under investigation, and then its its tentacles extended to include grab a blowjob, right? Many years after the thing that was being yet. Right. Right. Yes. So I don't recall where the Democratic Party was as far as like having his backpack. Then I think they were pretty the Senate was. Didn't do anything with the impeachment. So I feel like the party was essentially, you know, right. So the impeachment that process began in what ninety eight ninety nine it was, it was roughly around than. Yeah. I, I think I think it might have start earlier than that. And I think the actual impeachment proceedings were in that timeframe. Right. So then gore lost the next election by a razor thin margin. The economy was coming along nicely. Everything seemed to be going, okay. But they're, they're ju- the, the whole idea of impeachment, even though he wasn't removed it, it target. They. And it ended affected V tiny, you know, the sliver of our country that decides presidential elections. Why are we so afraid of it this time around now? It's like you know what I mean why I mean it's going to stick to him yet there is. There is a chunk of people in the center, I don't know how you can be in the center at this time in your life. But there, there is one and they, they do move from side to side. So keep put, don't let this go away. And the other fun thing is that, you know, as Joe Nadler is like subpoenaing financial records. He's all the Democrats are also being sued for trying to get the any kinds of records. So they're dragging their feet on regular doing all this stuff. So there is continue. I mean it's not like formal obstruction but this is like dragging your feet is a way of trying to get in the way of, of transparency and letting people know what you're doing. So I think that's another acting in bad faith that will stick to them, hopefully or maybe, you know, and the rhetoric of elections. Okay. Well, I want to end by. Asking you guys, do you what do you feel like our institutions have fared, well throughout this process? I do not. Got this whole thing has been democracy. Like ray? I mean yeah. Yeah. That is the that is the ideal that we're reaching for. But the one the real lesson of this whole thing is just an I probably smart, people have always known this. I maybe have just always been naive. But the, the point that keeps getting drilled into my head is that the rules are what the rich people say they are rules are what the powerful people say they are. And we can we can pay lip service to patriotism, and to tradition and all of this shit. But, like rich people are going to get their way he really can shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue as a truth thing ever said, I know that I don't think that's fair, while it all because, it's, it, we see how, how likely they are to be subverted by partisan politics, by an specifically hear that, that sounds like a both sides equivocation. But specifically here the, the right wing. Is protecting its own the, you know, the richer protecting themselves as Dave was, and I think, also too, so much of what we're seeing specifically regarding the president is how much we've relied on, like self enforcement how much we relied on an individual just sort of being like I'm going to buy by these traditions, I'm going to release my tax returns because that's what presidential candidates do I'm, I'm not going to have a hotel with my name on it across from the White House because that's not technically allowed by the constitution. But if you just ignore those rules, say, fuck it. I mean, like, what if the supreme court ruled against Trump, why wouldn't he just ignore it? What makes you think he's gonna lie by supreme court? Trajectory. So much of what I thought were rules and traditions or institutions were kind of just agreements. I come back in norms, right? I come back to remember when we were when we were growing up, you couldn't advertise alcohol have beer and whatever, but there wouldn't be a vodka ad. And I was led to believe that that was like, you know, the FCC had like a very from rural against that was just an agreement, and then like cable networks were like, well, why don't we just not abide by that? That's money that, that we're leaving on the table. Why don't we just take today? And like I think kind of every rule is that it's just sort of a handshake, right? Hey, you know, we ended up with that. So we know that Erin. Paula Diddy vodka commercial. There was a lot of fun. Yeah. God saying it's why we're enjoying all the way. 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Progressive more socialists and skinnier refu- or blemishes, we wrote a piece in the New York Times called the democratic electorate on Twitter is not the actual democratic electorate ended addresses this very divide. So just first off, did this ring true that there is a divide between the, the two. I mean, of course, you know, maybe it's just real life. If you disagree with someone politically to be like your a corncob, you know, like, like, the, the discourses a little bit different on Twitter, but I also think too, there's just like such a large part of the population that is not even like on Twitter or maybe they have an account that they barely look at her something like that. You know, they set up to follow the voice a few years ago and they did. They pay attention to it anymore. I think it's a very small subset of, of the population is active on Twitter. And then of that active. It's like another sliver that has actually doing engaged in political discussion on Twitter. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. The, the, the Liz fan is not the Twitter. Liz. Oh, fast. It goes for everything. The Republican is not the Twitter. Republican a, you are always more extreme. You're always in a in a more vicious fight you, you get out into the real world. I took a break from Twitter last year, and it was the best thirty days of my life. Now it's the dream, why did I go back? I don't. Okay. So when you when you went back immediately, did you start getting like anxiety and weird feelings while you were like, why am I on here? Okay. Absolutely. And I have I've blocking strategies for treating get into later but when you were off and you move around the world you realize there are things that nobody in the world is talking. What's is nuts? Ben shapiro. Nobody really fucking cares. Once you get off the internet. You don't hear about him in real life. He is Carly. Rae jepsen basically, he's got thirty five fans and they're all on Twitter, and they're all real albums heralded. I love her. I love her. I'm one of the thirty five for Carly Rae jepsen but yeah, Charlie Kirk doesn't exist in real life, Candice, Owens doesn't exist in real life. These are all Twitter people. I think we, we are probably them for Democrats. You know, we get online more, and we argue a little bit more. But yet, and I, I don't believe that I am most people, right? I mean, I think we'll one of the things that I found interesting was that was the, you know, Ralph the routh northern example which is very recent. And you know there's this huge uproar like he should resign over the black face photos. And we talked about it on this show in on Twitter. Everyone was basically demanding his resignation. But when they did a poll and all the democratic candidates also. That's the other funny thing. The democratic candidates may be in response to what was happening on Twitter were also demanding his resignation immediately, how immediately. And so someone where someone was trying to cling all the time stamps of win. Presidential candidates were why we're weighing in. That's the other thing is that it's is that this the time stamp issue. Is it for it, something's trending? And then suddenly all of these important people are forced to take a very quick and hastily made decision because if you don't then you're over get. And so there's like that, you know, mob mentality thing that goes into the forces people to make decisions and take stances that they wouldn't necessarily take right now. So that's a like uncomfortable place. But I thought you know what this, I guess, were you surprised that like a majority of Julian's including black Virginians didn't think that north, I'm should have resigned. I think a lot of probably should resent didn't know about it, because it was it was a huge controversy online. And if you're not online, you hear about it. Also, like you know that was wrong, and it's ugly, and that is, you know, terrible symbol of our past, and, you know, black face has terrible implications and, and you know, and it resonates in awful ways, but you know he was young and things are different now. And what all of those things are nuance and nuance has no place. No. Yeah. Just say resigned. I mean, I think he probably should've resigned because it was like egregious. And it was really offensive to look at. And I and I think optically it's just bad for that person to be the top democratic official in the Commonwealth. But I like also. I understand that, that, that, that there's probably some, you know, that there's, there's always like some game theory going on. I feel like in, in, in the calculations of voters. They're always like yeah. This person is flawed. But they are, you know, the person that they are maybe the, the best advocate for this other reason, or they're just like it's not worth the rigmarole of getting rid of this person. Simply I, I just want to wait for the next elections this out. Right. Exactly. Also, another case, too, where I think everyone is expecting north him to resign in than what he didn't resign. Everyone's like, well, what do we know what it would you? There is a mechanic for moving for office, but it'd be like we're going to do that. I guess I guess he's still the governor. We're so we rely so much on self police, and they had that whole, there was an issue, because then the number two guy had sexual harassment claims against, you know, there was all this guy also. So crazy. Everyone ahead a black bass. I think you should have resigned when he looked around and thought about moonwalking press conference. Have you had a role? I can't believe what was actually hardened by because I, I am a fan of Elizabeth Warren. And the ancestry story isn't a scandal to most Democrats debris large road on Twitter. It was a big scandal to for Democrats on Twitter. So so that I thought was good because to me that shouldn't have been scandal. I don't know why we blew that up and what's going on. That's again, one of those things where I feel like I was being forced by Twitter to recognize something as a scandal when I didn't believe that it needed to have that much attention on it, because we get someone ad in you like like why haven't you weighed in on this? Like someone like like like at trying to provoke you to take on something like why did I don't want to weigh in on everything everything every single thing on Twitter is a proclamation? You're like you are putting your flag in the ground. And you're saying this is. Exactly how I feel about this right now. Everything we want to explain what one point five billion. Other Muslims are doing. Mostly my role a Twitter, so. Okay. So I wanted to share some of these stacked with you guys to, to show this divide. So Democrats who do not post political content social media are more likely to identify themselves, as moderates or conservatives. They're more likely to say political correctness is a problem. They're more likely to, to say that they don't really follow the news that much. So going to both of your point about, like, they don't actually know about some of these scandals, right? Because they're not following it, and they're actually more likely to be African American so there, that's you know, people who don't post political content social media, but of Twitter users eighty percent say said they were liberal of Twitter user who regularly post. Right. Eighty percents of they were liberal, a similar percentage said they had a college degree twenty percent said political correctness was. A problem and only two percent are black. So it's like the numbers are almost totally flip flopped river the reverse. You know it's funny to that, that eighty percent liberal number that you're saying because I feel like in the satement of left Twitter. I'm in, I always see people talking about, like, I'm not a liberal, a leftist like I'm further to the left of liberal IDO position myself in this, this. That's a mainstream sellout is a liberal leftist is a is reflects my position. Yeah, I, I think those numbers to me because so much presidential polling right now as it stands like eighteen months from this, this general election is about name recognition. Right. So it's like that. That's the kind of thing that makes me think that, like whatever's going on in this Twitter primary the actual primary. I'm not discounting the chances that Joe Biden could win the nomination because everyone knows who he is. And he has, like highlight ability, among the general, not the general the General Electric, but also, like the, the, the democratic prime. Mary voters. Right. Like he could that could be a thing like regardless of everyone condemning him on Twitter. And I don't think Joe Biden his far from a perfect candidate in man. I it's still could just could happen, right? Yeah. And d-. Well, another interesting statistic is only twenty five percent of Democrats are actually ideologically. Progressive left of center, only one in ten of those dentis socialists. Okay. So the entire movement in terms of democratic socialism is again, it's very fringe when we're talking about the general electorate, what does does this move you in terms of what who you think might be winning in the lead, you mentioned Joe Biden, where where does that leave a Bernie Sanders, which is leave, you know, some of the more lefty candidates low. I think also, I think, for the same reason, and this is maybe paradoxical for this be. But I think because so much of the electorate is not ideological so much of it is, like, we're regardless of how they. Identify like that's not what they prioritize. It's, it's I don't think Obama one and eight you win the primary for ideological reasons. I mean, the Iraq war was a big part of his candidacy, but it wasn't. It was mostly like this is an inspiring guy. I want to vote for he's, he's just an amazing candidate who makes me want like hope was his message that that was that was whatever we're over the route it. So I could see people getting behind Bernie basically for personality reasons, basically, like, yes. I like his message I like what he's saying. But also, like I just respond to this guy. He feels like an advocate for people like me. I mean sometimes it's just what it comes down to right. Yeah. But I also think if the electric was as left as Bernie or, and he would have one in twenty-six, yes. You know, Howard Dean would have won in whenever that was right. Well, but also both of those people were were people that the media kind of abused Bernie Sanders, did not get the media attention that Hillary Clinton got in, you know, in the last election and. Howard Dean was destroyed because he made a strange noise with his mouth. Yeah. No. Which they actually, like I heard like a podcast recently, where they like went back to that moment. And they actually talked about how the audio on the Mike, the microphone was both basically blowing out, and so that, but it was a direct feed into the camera so in rural in the stadium or wherever that was you couldn't hear that noise, you could only hear it if was being directly fed through this warped microphone anyways. So it was not even annoys. He actually made you know anyway. So frustrating that and Dan Quayle spin. It is spilling potato with an e where like that. That's the death note, this person's political future. Yeah. And now you can just let ever do whatever you want to have a face photo shared a bit to sexual assault seem Quainton. It really does really does. We are so cute. Douro vol-. It's I guess the lesson here is just that it's impossible to be moderate on Twitter. Sure. You know, if you if you try to have a nuanced position on anything, people are going to attack. You also you're not like it's, it's like the whole concept of hate mail. You get you know, you get love letters or you get hate mail. If you're if you're on TV or, or whatever you don't get like nobody's ever going to write and say, like, I think you're okay, your you know, you're six out of ten for me. You're not nobody is motivated to make that comment. Nobody's ever motivated to be on Twitter to be like, man, I feel wishy washy about this subject. Wouldn't that be like the most insulting fan mail, like worse than like hate though? Someone's eero. Right. You wait. You took the time six out of ten Jesus Christ. It's easy to like to completely tune out. Someone that's like actually got an Email the other day that was like you should stop doing all the things that you do delete, what you do, is that. And it was like it has a we've just kind of be like, oh, that's such a crazy fringe. Like you took the time out derive. But, like, if someone takes the time to write something very like just in the middle. I would be like thinking about it for the rest of my life. Roseanne on my thin. Eyebrows. High quality. I guess, well, and I guess at some point at every podcast we talk about Twitter being exhausting. It is exhausting. It's alienating and twenty even people like my mom or just like, why are you talking about Twitter all like she's like why you know, I don't know what, what to do. I don't know how to get out of this thing. Unless Twitter decide just like shuts itself, we have to and the thing is that the, the most damaging thing is the lazy post where it's like, you know, left-wingers going crazy about XYZ, and then it's you, you've cherry pick six things open door. Nobody's to prove some larger point right? You can find six people on Twitter to literally say anything anything at all. I'm ready for that, that whole thing to burn down. But like those kinds of posts do well the click Beatty, and they do. Well, what are, what are we going to do? Well, how do we solve a problem like Twitter? I, I mean, I know that I need to be off it can't be off solve a problem. Like. Yeah, I liberty a clown. I don't think that's because it's not going to be, we're not going to self medicate. Ourselves self heal ourselves by all getting off Twitter, you did it for thirty days in couldn't stay off of it. I you actively went back to a thing that made you feel awful. That is the definition of addiction. Right. So we're not capable need. It's kind of like there. We need a larger force at play. I feel like to you know, just needs to somebody needs to put yank the plug out of the wall and just shut it down forever. And now I mean that's it. You know, we're talking about Twitter. You're the article JR. Also just generally talked about posting online in addition to just Twitter. So it is, as all social media platforms can all suck. A dick is what I'm saying. Yeah, they're all garbage. I mean, like like regar- you Twitter. We, we clearly are on, and then also hate because we are on it. But, you know, like whatever. Evans says is that YouTube is actually, the more harmful radicalization plateau, because everything. Yeah. Exactly. And it just auto playing all this, this, this wretched sort of right wing propaganda that you'll get regardless of whatever you're watching I lately until media in the lie. I told myself about Twitter's at a need it for career reasons. And then meanwhile like in the four plus years, I've Jesus Christ probably longer than that. However, long have been on Twitter. I don't think I've ever gotten any sort of job directly from being onto it. I don't think I've ever been like, hey. Submit your Twitter feed, like for as a source of material for like a job. I I've been asked about, like Stephanie. I've been said like you may submit your Twitter feed, and I'm like, I'm not gonna fuck in some. It's garlic. It's none of let what am I submit something that matters that I laboured over that involves some craft did I don't know. I don't know. I got worked from it for sure. In the early years. It was great for joke craft right one hundred forty characters you had to get the point very quickly. I for sure got writing jobs from it. Nice. And so that's nice. And then in, in the neck like the next wave of it. I also met writing partners and people that I still collaborate with on. We got difficult Hypo from it, you got catastrophe for lovely thing that you're describing, I know I mean, it's gone forever in what we well, what we know to close out the segment is that Twitter is not an online social media. They're not Representative of the party at large. And when we have to remember that every time we hear a fucking scandal or like that, you know, some candidate where, you know, their, their candidacy is over because of something we, we somehow need to stop take a breath. And remember, it's not it's not necessarily happening that goes for the people that we disagree with as well. There are people who have guns, who are threatening to sue. Me. Yeah. On twitter. You know what I mean? Like, there are responsible people that I disagree with. Yeah. I we can't we can't take the can't cherry pick the nasty ones, and I read. Yeah. All right. You guys. Lewis move on to number three. So we read a piece in the cut by Rebecca or called mob versus data on the road to twenty twenty where she lays out our perception of female candidates has mothers versus male candidates, as fathers and up till now mom's on the campaign trail where apparently heartless and constantly had to account for the number of days. They didn't see their children. Whereas campaigning men were pathetic souls, who had a bundle of joy waiting at home to see him. How lovely how brave now has this perception changed? I think I think better Rourke would say there has, you know, he, he made that joke of like my wife ways raises my kids occasionally with my, you know, involvement or whatever which was like acute CBS sitcom kind of a joke that he got lambasted for, you know. And, and deservedly you know, like it's good that, like, we can kinda say, like, that's, that's shitty ran, you sound like a shady person. Would you say that? Yeah, I mean, I yeah, I think that perception is changing. Yeah. I think it's, it's chained I mean, you know, and there were people like commenting when he was on the road finding himself or whatever he was doing at in the office roms of Iowa ever. Then, you know that he was leave, you know, that he had left his kids. There was a, there was a detail in Vanity Fair piece about him that where that is eight. Well, there's, there's some things that I think are unfair. There was a detail about him that his son had said, please don't run for president eight year old son or something. It's like outcry all day if you run for president and he decided to run for president. Anyway. But I'm just like what family allows an eight year old to dictate family policy? I mean it's like you don't like letting a child dictate. Your career toys is like leading child dictate your career choices. You know what I mean? It's ridiculous. Cremating is it's over for him. So I'm like, that's the kind of dumb thing for everyone to, to hone in on, you know, I think, again, his joke was like you know about his wife is like, yeah. Like she probably she does do more of the parenting. And so is it is it somehow our way we can talk about that without it being weird or bad, or I don't know. But I think d-, do you think that let's talk about how some of the women could a women get away with what any of the stuff that Beddoe is done a, what that's specific or Mark? No ad. I don't think a woman could say that and could say, like, oh, my husband's raising the kids and I kind of like pop in there, I think that would probably they'd probably get it, even it'd be attacked even more than than Beto was right. Like a I think that a curious about this. What your perception of it is? Because they don't think I've seen. Gene, outside of Biden's family situation, which we already know about, and then Beddoes kids, so we saw it in that context. I haven't seen other candidates kids, all that much on the campaign trail yet. Have have have. They come up. I, I honestly don't know what, what is he has them who has kids? What's everyone said. Comal mother is coming here says the stepmother, but in she's like sort of proudly stepmother until the Gabbard which I don't know if she is terribly serious of the candidate. But anyway, she does not have children. Cory Booker doesn't have children dredges of their apparently like they're thinking about it. I don't know if it's via surrogacy or adoptive be Pete, and Chaston. Oh, got you got you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yes. To take on all once. Yeah, but I don't know Elizabeth Warren has children. Her kids are grown, right. Chris kirchen. Gillibrand sellers, children at home. I'm glad you said it because they never know if it's a hard G or a soft g it's like give I go with Jill. Lebron? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I well, it's interesting. So back when Geraldine Ferraro was the VP on the Monday. Yeah. On the Mondale ticket, she was asked she was asked like how often see your kid from me like, and I think the husband said, oh, she's only not seeing them two weekends in the six year. She's been in congress, something like that. And, and then it was like, seemed like this is the thing that every woman is going to have to account for the years later. Wendy Davis out of Texas. Same thing she had to talk about number of it looks account for the number of openness, acceler spreadsheet. We wanna see which days, have you seen your children. That you've had this job. You am bishops. You know, a woman a woman being the insults. You know. So I think that I think was something that people always had to account for now. I still think that something people are, you know, like I don't I can't imagine that citizens who may or may not be considering Kirstin gillibrand or whoever like the people have kids at home. I think Kirstin gillibrand is going to have to account for what are you doing with these kids? And I think better work still doesn't really have to. Yeah. I think I think you're absolutely right. I mean it's gotten a little better and were self-aware where more self aware about it now. But I don't think in in just giving examples. So I as listeners now I have a newborn, she's four months old and right out the gate like the baby six weeks old. My husband gets job. He's an act tour, and he gets a job in Morocco. So he has to be in Morocco for seven weeks. I went and visited for six days, whatever. That explains my Instagram photos, people were very confused with the baby. I went I didn't leave. Her again, I have to constantly say things like that. He does not. So at no point. Did anyone ask him? Where's the baby? Who's taking care of the baby at, like no point. Was that a question for him with the producers he was working with or none of that me, I had gig around the same time I had gigs, you know, Oliver, the country, Chicago's in Antonio, whatever Pittsburgh, and I had people would be like wait, if your husband is in Morocco who has the baby and I would always, you know, go into a whole thing like, well, we had my mom. It's like they wanted details. Okay. So this time my mom's in towns, she's, you know, and then this time we got a babysitter doing overnight, like ridiculous. Right. I also had to take my baby with me on a gig while two strangers in the audience watched my baby, and I was on stage. And so I've done stuff like that. Not just pumping on the four, oh, five you guys I've like had to deal with a lot of these things, you know, because being a mother in America is being in enemy of the state, and so that's kind of like. What if feels like some of these situations? And I thought, oh my God. It's twenty nineteen where like around people in the entertainment industry, who were like, generally progressive, you know, lefty types, and I still get the question in my end. Jason doesn't get it. Right. So that this is still happening. Do you think there's a that there, there's any kind of political benefit to leaning in hard on being a mother? I mean it's. I mean, I guess it depends on it might be a different answer for the primary versus the electric the general election. The thing is, like again, I'm I not sure. How many candidates that applies to I think Jill? Lebron is the unique situation where she's got young kids, and I think that might just be her so yeah, I don't know. I mean, the, the issue is that with, with, with women. And I think this week's to what you were saying about everyone asking you while where your where your, your baby was while you were pursuing your career is that, like they they're still this perception, that being ambitious or prioritizing, your career are liabilities for a woman, and I think that's definitely true. In, in politics. You know. So, yeah, I, I don't know strategically. I, I don't know if I have if I have a strong take on that it's also funny, I mean, because I think at the same time, like, what are you guys think about women, like women who don't have kids? So the comma Harris's until till together like, is there some kind of a. They come off as harsher or less. I don't know less attic or something because they didn't have kids. I mean, we can't off the top of our heads name, which ones they are. So maybe not right, right. Yeah. That's actually a good point because I do I do wonder if like with Wisconsin Harris being a prosecutor and kind of being seen, as you know, too, tough on time or something in her history in California, if maybe if she had more of more children to let us us props. Saw that her image. Do you know what I mean or something? And maybe that's why you know, her her step kids, I guess, call her mama LA and, and that's something she kind of is in her profile on Twitter. So maybe, maybe that's you know, part of this is a little bit gross because it sounds like a little bit like just branding. I mean, we're talking about of these kids were ranting, but I think you know, there's there's something about, but the interesting thing is like Cory Booker also doesn't have kids, and I don't think it's I don't think anyone thinks about that. It's usually it's not like because also he doesn't have an expiration date on stuck in ovary. So there's that, you know, but no one has an expiration date on adoption. So, you know, people aren't saying, like, like, oh, booker's problem is that he's childless people are like, like, why isn't the why isn't he married? You know that's. And that's why I think, you know, he makes a he's dating Rosario Dawson is making a big show of, like, like, look, I do have somebody, you know, partly because they need to do that. Yeah, I think it's I think it's probably lose lose for women. It's like I think probably if you have children, then it's like well look like what are you? Where are your kids? Why are you taking care of them? And if you don't it's like, well, why, why don't you have kids? How can you have a perspective on, on a being president, if you're, if you're not a mother, so I, I think I think it's just another thing that women have to deal with that men, don't, you know, like, hate that, that narrative of, like us, you know, I think Tucker Carlson said something that AFC, not having kids. Yeah. Right. How could she poss- how could he more lies to me when she has never had children like to possibly? No. So he said something like that. I'm paraphrasing. I hate that because I'm like, no for most of my life, I didn't have a kid and I was really fucking moral. Like argued, I really I, I was I was I'm not your empathetic now that I have a child as you trying to tease, any sense of what chucker calls and says, is, as it's as futile as trying to write like, like, look at based on Twitter is going to say something shitty about her no matter what. But I wonder if like other people might be thinking something about like that. Like you need to be apparent in order to have some kind of, like moral within the family values the whole Demi values argument and that the interesting thing about Sarah Palin who was also writing with, with a one year old right, when she was on the VP, Sarah Palin, interestingly was able to, like toll this line of, like I am a mother and lean into it, and I'm like mama grizzly way, the as this article points out. But she did it in a way that sort of like. Confirmed conservative family values. You know it affirmed those things as opposed to it wasn't like this ambitious woman out of there, that it was more like this is a mama, grizzly who happens to be on a VP take it. I don't know. It had the opposite effect. I think of, like, you know, another a woman like Hillary Clinton or something. Who's my Waseem as nakedly ambitious or adult children are the way to go? The. With Warren figured it out grown up kid. Right. That's yeah. Don't have to be, you know, you're not you're not like raked over the coals for not being with them. The other thing I want to say about women of a certain age in night because I was really uncomfortable. When people were shitting on Nancy Pelosi in issue, isn't she going to be the speaker of the house, again, and all of that stuff that she's too old? And, and as as, as Nancy Pelosi pointed at herself like no I mean I every other man got into congress at thirty. And I didn't do that because I had five children at the wait until my daughter was a senior in high. My youngest was a senior in high school before I went to Washington. So it's like, yes. So in in actual years, she might be older. But in political years, she didn't get to start when all the men started. So let's keep that in mind before we start calling every fucking woman, who's trying to do something in with their political careers too old. I think if you're going to zero in on age like that's not a Nancy Pelosi issue in. Congress. That's much of congress, particularly that. The, the Senate. There are so many just old ask people in the in the Senate and, and, and in, in congress as well. It's just, you know, that's, that's not specific to her. No. I mean I hear you on the just everyone's too old right now. Right. You're right. That put that, that fixation on Pelosi was like in a way it was it a. Yeah. It didn't take into account her specific situation. Yeah. Yeah. I also wonder whether regular people care, you know, I want your Twitter, they might be twitted thing like if you really polled, you know, a thousand people, what percentage would be able to name Obama's kids. Sure we know. But, like I don't know that a lot of people do really or a first family that maybe, you know, but maybe not I don't know or if they could if they could name, Jimmy Carter's kid, or whatever, ultimately, I don't you know, I don't know that people care them listeners. Let us know what Jimmy Carter's kids names are. Just one. Tweet at me over post on any of the miserable social media platforms that we should not be on. A you guys. That's the end of the show. We did it. And I always like to ask at the end of the show, and we can connect back to whatever topic we discussed here. How do you guys feel just in general? I mean about the state of the Republic nervous at all times got it. But I am committed to here's how I feel right now. I feel like everyone is acting like it's a long time ago when it is not a long time. It's now I I'm hearing all these dumb arguments about what is and what is not electable and it's like poll, your fucking head out. And look at who is in the White House right now anything is possible anything's possible. So if, if somebody aligns most closely with your beliefs, don't give me this bullshit about like this kind of person isn't electable, because they don't have kids or they're gay, or they're black or whatever, like fucking get out and. Push. Get out and push, call ten people and make just make your make me make your pinions. Now, make it passions known push like get out there and fucking do it. And if you person doesn't win and somebody with who only agrees with you seventy five percent of the time gets the nomination fucking get out and push for that person. I feel like we're we're like we're defeating ourselves before we even start. But without looking at what the world is like right now, because the other side had passionate was just like I am going to fucking. I want to get out and push. Right. They never could they elect ability was not the concern of now, Trump's supporters, they will just like I like this guy, and I like what he stands your name everything that sucks about him, which is insane. Did you vote for somebody that whose skin looks like that who's hair looks like that? Who's voice sounds like that. Who says the dumb things he says who sits on a toilet in tweets all day, who picks fights with people gives people nicknames? Would you vote for that? No. Of course you wouldn't. But they did enough people did. Yeah. You know, I just and you know, a topic we didn't touch on today is, is climate change. And that's what I feel like consumes so much of my thoughts today and just, just like I think that they, I'm just viewing so much of what's going on when politics through the prism of, like, what if the, the world that we know now is unrecognizable twenty years from now they could just we get in this downward spiral of climate feedback loops that that make the, the world just uninhabitable. Make feel completely different than what we currently have the thrust our political system into chaos. I read this book called the uninhabitable earth, which I would strongly recommend to anybody. And it it just as one bullet point it talks about is kind of like this, this looming possible, apocalypse is that as the. Concentration of co two goes up in the air, it will make us all dumber and angrier. So like as sets what's yet because we'll have a less oxygen in our brain. So we're all going to be like, like like like not be able to understand what's going on, and then also be matter. So that's just going to exacerbate existing global tensions. I just think we might be heading towards a larger issue that people that were just unprepared for. So, you know, like, like, like I'm, I'm definitely worried about twenty twenty. I'm very I was optimism after what happened after twenty eighteen but so much of what I'm thinking about is, like, has my on twenty thirty twenty forty twenty fifty and I'm just like what, what are we? What are we going to do? How is the world going to deal with this, which I guess, that sounds nihilistic but I would to be honest, like, I that's that's a, that's a lot of how I feel about politics in general right now is the Philip climate change is such a big issue. And we just need to do something about clinical party thinks it's a Joe, exactly. Yeah. Pete buddha. Jj actual. Really, I don't know. I don't even know if this is specifically he's referring to climate change. But I read it that way, he said something like I wonder what the world will be like, when I'm Donald Trump's age and that is like, let's all think about that because you're gonna live for a while. Like do you want to see do you want to live in experience the garbage? We're going to have to experience because it will we're already seeing it. We're already seeing it, you know, I grew up in Palm Springs. And we add, maybe two or three days of clouds a year. Like, literally, it just never was never ever ever cloudy or rainy, or anything. And now we're up to like, I don't know two or three weeks of rain a year. And I know that still nothing. But it's I mean it say it's just not built for it. It's a desert. It's not supposed to have rain is just not supposed to have rain, rain. You know, LA this was the record right? The the largest rainfall on record. And so you drive around the southern California CD's beautiful green rolling hill. It's a desert guys. They're not supposed to be green rolling hills than burn into the dry out in the summer and then turn into kindling for fire. That's what happens. So we're seeing it. It's not something abstract. You guys thanks so much for being on the show. Can you guys tell Nick, let's start with you? The people fake the nation where they can find you how they can like follow your work and like get all up in you. I'm on Twitter, the hell site. We all hate at Nic wider, and I try to, they can't help would re tweet some political things, but I try to tweet more about, like just like basketball and stuff. That doesn't make drive me crazy. But yes, I am on there and then also my podcast about a much lighter topic chain restaurants, still, boys. I host with my friend, Mike Mitchell. That's you could check out our Twitter at dope, boys pod, or just go to us. We're on the head gum network. Wherever you got you find podcast. Download and listen. Yeah. I am also on all the platforms at Dave Holmes and I'm here to your wolf with homophobia. If you're in LA on April twenty six Friday, eight o'clock, my friends got Kimball and I do a show called the Friday, forty two topical gameshow forty questions about the events of the last seven days while we all drink forties. And. Tyler and Luke, no will be there and it's gonna be a ball. Nice guys. Definitely go see that. And definitely subscribe to the Doboy us. 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Their expert team can help you out every step of the way. O eilly auto parts, better parts. Better prices every day. Take me back. Roger, what possessed you to put that dude on your show? I sit in the limo for two guys in the history of blind date. One was Ryan Seacrest. And the other was J. Freaking stew. Jim, you think I got where I am because I'm talented no. Welcome to episode eighty to the Jim Rome podcast. So glad that you here to give this thing a spin because my guest this week is a very good friend of the program and an OG Roger lodge. Now if you flipped on TV in the late nineties early two thousands, then, you know, Roger from the greatest dating show of all time, blind date. And if you have flipped on radio in southern California since then, you know, Roger from his daily sports talk show, the sports lodge between it all Roger has been a mainstay in the jungle, and was a frequent forum guest on Jim Rome is burning, we had a tend to get caught up on, and I could not be more pumped to share this conversation with y'all because it was a blasted track. Ziada is we go now at the episode eighty two with Roger lodge enjoy this because I know you will. This is awesome. We have tremendous history in this guy. He was a staple on my radio program and my TV show back in the day, but it's been a minute or two since we've gotten caught up Roger lodge, not only on, but he is in the House, Mr forum, how you live in Roger. How is everything God? Are you kidding me? The fact that you just brought up the Mr. forum moniker that I sell self imposed upon myself while Ray Ratto is taken a drink out of his coffee Cup on the set of Roma's Birdman. I cannot tell you, what a thrill it was for me to get a call from you guys and to show up here today. This is big for me. Jim, I really appreciate it. It's so good to see when it's all coming back to me right now. You just reset one of my favorite things from J. Ray Ratto with that patented go to the mug while on camera move only got a guy ever did it and could actually pull it off. And you can't teach what raise Radha was doing on the set that afternoon. I'll never forget it. The only thing bigger for me in the history of my so-called. Career was J stew on blind date which was the you know that just head and shoulders. The greatest mole, I'm gonna get going to get there. I can't wait. Get there before. And you. So Roger, you've had an amazing career. Let's start with sports forest. You've had a long running talk show here in southern California, the sports lodge. How is business? How long have you done that show? Now, Jim imagine this. I'm a kid growing up in Lakewood, California tool five oh, two wilder right down the street from here about twenty minutes. And I grew up in halo honk from the time I was six years old. I was in angel fan listening to dick emberg with my little green transistor under my pillow late at night, I was supposed to be sleeping, but no, I had my dick emberg. I had my Halo's a now I've been in business with with the angels on their station. AM eight thirty out here in southern California. I'm going on my eleventh year. Just got renewed for two more. Good for you. Congrats. Thank you very much. And I just wanna say this before we go another thirty seconds. You're the guy the gave me my shot in radio. You're the guy that allowed the blind date dude to come in and host. The Jim Rome show when you were in the basement, and I it to you. I mean you gave me a shot gave me the confidence. And, and I studied, you, you may not know this, but when I first started hanging around the Jim Rome show, I studied, you. I watched you. I watch you interact with your crew. I watched the work that you put in, and I can tell you I've been around this business for a long time. Now, I've never learned from anyone more that I learned from you, not just what you on the air. But the work that you put it it's a grind and nobody nobody will ever outward. Jim rome. So thank you for all you tell them. That was so unnecessary. I really appreciate CNN, but that was so, unnecessary and congrats on your getting the deal you mentioned dick Ambrose. Can I tell you what I went when I grew up in the valley and played little league baseball in Sherman, oaks literally? Oh my God. My son just wrapped up a career there. I don't get it. Sure. Renounce. Yeah. Right. So you wanna see what I'm saying? Now, dick Enberg like you, you and I are pretty close in age, dick Emery was the guy he he had a son that played in that little league and he would show up on occasion to the ballpark, and I'm talking dick freaking Amberg in his prime and all his glory, man. That was something to see, I mean when dick would show up there and kind of watch kids play ball men. That was an awesome time. And Jimmy knows well as anyone. There were not enough owes in smooth than described, dick emberg. Not only was he smooth on the air. But back in the day, dick Emery was good looking dude, hanging out with CLYDE, writing Jim forgo see I guarantee you. They were getting done on the road. But the have Jimmy to have dick emberg around, are you kidding? That must've been awesome times, man clubs Russia. If you grew up in angel fan, what's it been, like, I'm you've had the best seat in the house, you can go there and you pretty much have the free run of the place. What's it been like to go down there and work, and see one of the best to ever do it might trout night in and night out? And maybe what is something that people nationally? Do not know about him that should. About him. I'm going to tell you story right now that I think has been told in everyone needs to know it might trout, just signed that unbelievable contract for a twelve year contract with the angels, and I talked to Craig Landis his agent about that process. And they started here, the angel started here, then they started the come closer together. They were getting pretty close. Craig land is Mike trout's aging got a phone call from Mike trout. And he wanted to get this deal done, and he said the Craig Landis Craig, I can't leave him. I can't leave the kids and Craig thought, what are you talking about the kids down in the minor leagues? So you talking about the youngsters on the angel in the angel clubhouse, and Mike. Trout said, no, I can't leave the kids at hope hospital in the cancer ward, I visit on a monthly basis, I can't leave the kids at the schools that I visit in southern California. I can't leave the kids. The come out to the. The ballpark every night to get my autograph and go out of their way and try everything they can to come. See me play. I can't leave the kids, get this deal done. Let's do it Mike. Trout. You can talk about Mike trout. The baseball player. We're talking about a seven time all star. You know a back to back all star game. MVP two time MVP should be four six times silver slugger award winner, future hall of Famer Michael Nelson trout, what he does on the field is one thing. What Mike trout does off the field. Jim. I've witnessed it this guy is a rarity. We've never seen a superstar go out of his way for the fans, especially the kids, like Michael Nelson trout, he's amazed. That's a great story. That's a great story. And to be fair. I've seen this. Like I've gone to those games. I've been on the field. It's all true about my trout and the kids. I mean, he loves the kids absolutely loves the kids, so I'm not surprised to hear that. I haven't heard that part of the story, but I'm not surprised Roger blind date, Jay right to it. You, you had an amazing run as host a blind date de alternate dating show to this day, nothing. Even comes close. What do you remember about the audio portion? How did you get that gig? There was no other Asian. There was. There was no other Jim imagine this imagine this. I am the apartment manager in my Bill. Building. I'm working as a waiter, I'm guest hosting on talk soup on e inter taint. What year is this? This is ninety seven. I want to say ninety seven I go to one on dishing. I I'm in the I'm in the middle of a two week, run hosting talk soup on e enter taint. I get a call after I finished up an episode. I was filling in for. He was either John Hinson say Hansen, right? I think I was filling in for Hansen so I get a call. Do you want to go audition for this dating show? Jim, I had no business talking about dating. My, my personal dating back then was complete and utter dumpster fly. So I go in I go in to audition. I mean it wasn't a goal Roger. The kid you want hosted dating. I go into this audition. There's literally two hundred people in the room. There's male female Caucasian, African American Asian little people, they had no idea what they wanted in their host for blind date. But in the audition room there was a sign in written on the sign. It said, we are looking for the talk soup mentality the tongue in cheek talk soup mentality is the host for this new dating show blind date. Again I was in the middle of a two week talk soup run, the addition was on a Thursday. I left the audition, I called my agent and said, just tell him to watch talk soup. I'm being I'll be hosting at all weekend. Right. I mean, the took some web OTs to do did not man. You walk out of that audition said watch me on talk soup on Monday, I war on Monday. I was screen testing for the host of blind date. And the rest is history. We had a nice seven year run in first run syndication on. Three four five times a day, and some of the biggest markets in our country. What was that? Like I mean, you, you have done so many different things in this business. But man that show that was one of a kind. What was it like to host blind date? It was just there's nothing that I could say on camera that would top what we were watching, you know, it was just such ridiculousness and people's people's interpretation of how they should act on television on a date. It was just incredible. And so for me to try to top that would have been a big mistake. So I came back usually did a quick look and got the hell out of there, because nothing was going to top it, they were doing. And one of the biggest thrill for by the way that, that could not have been easy because when you watch the shit that was going on back then, and you were so that show was so far ahead of its time now when people show up on TV and unscripted TV's, we know as most scripted bullshit, ever man, that show is different people were doing things back then that we're not done and for you to kind of lay out and let them do it. And then you. Get in wise, crack get an a good line or two. That was it was so tight. It was so good to watch. Thank you so much. And I met the Super Bowl this was down in San Diego. Okay. So we're down to San Diego doing the radio row thing that you're well aware of and I am doing I forget, what station I'm doing. But as I'm doing a radio hit Bob Costas walks into the room of radio. This is Bob freakin communists, you know and from across this giant convention center. Bob Costas, sees me and he starts walking towards me. And I'm looking for Ashton Kutcher because I'm thinking I'm being punked because wine the hell with Bob Costas know who the blind date dude is Bob walks right up to me. Okay. And I finished my radio hit and he says, Roger, I'm Bob Costas, very nice to meet you, and I just want to tell you that my stepson a night, watch your dating show every single night. And the way you host it is absolutely brilliant. It's genius the way you. Just set those people up and get out of the wick, this is Bob caused crime hosting that's incredible. It was unbelievable. That's incredible. I mean for one thing for him to know you and say, I love your show, but for, for Bob costs to say it's brilliant, the way you set them up and stay out of the way and do what you do. That's the highest praise imaginable. Can I tell you what Bob Costas just all the time in the world for it? You get here's the thing. I'm in Cooperstown New York last summer. When Vladimir Guerrero became the first angel to be inducted into the baseball hall of fame. I know the Bob's going to get an award that same weekend. I have a fifteen year old son, who I think is Jake Jake terror your boys, fakes it shakes eighteen eighteen. Okay. So, so my son's little younger than your boy, Jake. So we go to the induction ceremonies with the angels sent this there. It was just an unbelievable fantasy weekend. So I know cost it's going to be there. My son Peyton wants to be the next Bob Costas. Right. So he's telling me all weekend long. He's saying, well, dad, you know, Bob Costas, right. I see his name in your phone. Can you hook it up? And I get a picture with them. Can I meet my hero? Bob Costas pressures on now. I got this done. So I start texting Bob. I'm getting nothing back and three or four days. Go by Bob Costas is basically stiffen these big time in me. Right. We get to the hall of fame and cost has this unbelievable speech. He was just unreal. His speech was so brilliant. So after his speech and after he gets the Ford Frick award. We go to the baseball hall of fame. I'm in the baseball hall of fame in Cooperstown. New York Costas has now I'm I've worked my way with my son. I'm about, oh, about twenty feet from Bob Costas. I'm standing talking to Dennis cool. Who's the chairman all those baseball and I'm also talking to Raleigh fingers and stand cast in who runs. That's the kind of conversations you have cash that right? So I'm standing there. And my son is nudging me saying dad, Gary, as Mr Costa's is twenty. Feet from us. Can you get him over here? And I'm thinking, wait a minute. Now I'm gonna look like a complete jackass because I've been texting Bob and he's big time may I got no shot with caused his ear. What am I gonna do remind him who I am? You know what Dan hacks, that he's been deleting cost his turns, and he sees me? I swear to you to Pistol Pete who is my God. This is a true story cost us notices me does the cartoon double-take he stops his conversation with Greg GAM singer, from the MLB network. And he comes walking directly to me. He stops remind reminding you now we're standing in the middle of the baseball hall of fame and cost us says, may I have your attention, please. This is a special night in Cooperstown. Roger lives from blind date is with us that we could call Bob right now. And he could confirm that story, I believe that's for rentable and made me a hero with my son. It's a night. I and my son will never. Forget, he's incredible ops. The past what rates are so good on that is so good. A listen as any coach Jim, we'll tell you the foundation of any great team is great talent. We know this. So it's no surprise that teams dedicate so much time and effort towards finding that talent the same rule applies. When it comes to hiring, you need top talent. 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Roger, what possessed you to put that dude on your show I in the limo for two guys in the history of line day? One was Ryan Seacrest. And the other was J freaking Stu. But Jim, you think I got where I am because I'm talented. No. I got this. I kind of get it. I get how the business works. And I knew that if I if I brought Seacrest on, I was going to get a lot of play you are Jim Rome. It's the Jim Rome show. I got J stew on blind date. You don't think you guys are going to have some fun with that in eight hundred sixty five markets, you're in. So that's what we did. And J Stu. Let's face it. He brought something to the table, this guy. He brought it during his voice you get to that point. Let me take you back. Now, this was three months before the episode aired you came in studio, and you'd. You did a prescreen interview a stew. Here's a clip from that day, sixteen years ago, I want you to listen to this so before Roger lodge conduct say small and brief interview Ajay's do let's do what's your reaction to all this? You give kind of a mixed sampling of he's going to bring it to. He's going to flame. Spectacularly stu. Are you going to pull this off? I'll tell you what I'm going to pull it off. In the reason why I came in today's because I sense that Roger is losing faith in me. And I, I wanted to go on the year and dispel all the rumors. I'm not looking to get on the show and be a jackass, and I'm not looking to go on the show and quote, lay the hammer, I'm looking to fall in love. I'm trying to meet looking for that special someone. I'm trying to meet the girl of my dreams Salish is packed his right up. He just said that he's had sixteen hundred dates in only one couple of gotten married but you were looking to fall in love. Hey, why do people play the lotto Romi? You know what I mean? There's a one Jillian chance. But that one person that wins or thrilled. They did it. So Jay Stu comes into comes on blind date. And he. The find that special someone he's going to be Dan. Glad he did Jay Stu. What is the number one thing, the number one your biggest turnoff in a woman, I think any woman that walks with a wimp is a turn off to me. All right. So Roger before we go to what would actually happen to the episode. What was your reaction to that? We still feel good about that. You remember. What was going through your mind after the pre interview? Yeah. I knew the J Stu was going to bring it because there are certain gamers. They're just guys you turn the lights on and things are going to go. Well, you want J stew in that situation was like giving the ball to Leonard with ten seconds left on the clock. Something good is going to happen. And that's exactly what happened in L. Never forget, as long as I live, Jim. How about the moment, let me take you back. Jay, Stu goes up his date. He goes to pick up his date. And by the way, you don't think I went out of my way to find J Stu a very attractive young lady of Gore's like did. So he shows up to pick up his gal she comes out, and they start to head to that Ford Expedition that every fricken date or on blind date. Drove so anyway, that come out to their for he stops. He stops for a moment and says to his day. Oh, hold on a second. Honey, I wanna make sure I got enough cabin. For tonight and he pulls out a wad of literally ten thousand dollars when we had a nice close up of that only Jason could pull that off any pulled it off. Masterfully. All right. So that was not the only thing he did though. So the episode airs in may of two thousand three and in effect. The guy shows up as just a jackass that he promised. He would not be if you have not seen the episode or you do not remember, the episode Alvin has put together a quick montage of what happened. You have problems with dry skin, a lot of my life. And my dermatologist told me that Americans have dry skin, and other countries that they've once or twice a week. So then their skin naturally moisturizes, their skin gross. I I go three and four days without bathing showering, or soaping. Isn't that something you want it? Well. Gift three reasons why man gets married, probably first and foremost is security number two is to have a life partner. And number three is. Somebody to get you your beer. That's close there. The second one nine Jerry chips, you got there. What about the boy? It's pretty friendly doing just whether here goes wrong. You don't just you can't find this. And women think that sexy. Why why why why why why, why why, why? It looks like three boilers. Jason is on my type Nydia. And I don't ever want to see him again. No second date, one of the gray. Posts state wrap-ups of all time, radical sixteen years later, when you hear that what kind of thoughts you had that. That it was probably top three greatest dates of all time, and without question, blind date, hall of fame material, just absolutely fantastic television. All right. That was so great now you would come on this show, and you would come on my chair, I be show on ESPN and men. And there's so many great conversations. We had nobody likes a cheapskate Roger nobody no names mentioned tiger. Woods, Scottie Pippen, and everybody else that you expose back in the day, while on GRIB do you, remember this? Raj completely inappropriate. Guys. I was awaited for fifteen years. You see me running around on TV calling out the bad tippers in this town. I would never want to call out. I would never want to call out and barest guys like Don Cornelius unfold train. I'm not that kind of guy. Okay. We'll say something new. It was not the right venue to call out Pistol Pete for his tipping etiquette. Completely inappropriate, by the way towards Thurs. Good terrible tippers. All right. So to the best of your knowledge did any of these people learn there? Lesson and learn to shake themselves, and do the right thing. Probably not over the years because Jimmy, and we've talked about this before I was a waiter for fourteen years in southern California going on auditions after audition after audition, and I can tell you the best tippers. We just lost one of the all-time, great tippers recently when Tim Conway passed away, one of the greatest tippers of all time Jay Leno unbelievable Tipper Richard Simmons. We would fight over Richard Simmons when he came into Santa Pietro's up on the top of air Beverly Glen in Mulholland Drive up in BelAir. It was one of the most spectacular places ever. They all came in there. So I can tell you, the greatest tippers and the worst. I just did years ago, Don Cornelius, and George Thorogood. He was bad to the bone with his. And then, of course you had well, you know, I'm gonna stop there because I don't want to go on and on. And tell you what a horrible Tipper Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was that was awful. Do I'm ROY surprised to hear that. Surprised to hear that? Do you know? Do you know that I grew up in Beverly Glen park? Yes. So right there. Do you remember the Glenn center? Joe? That's why I brought it up. And I worked at a restaurant called Santa pitch Vanna white boyfriend Jorge Santos premature was the owner of the restaurant and everybody came up there. Jim, I could tell you store it. I would I only a story, I'm writing a memoir. It's called confessions of a Hollywood gypsy, because Jim, I have done every job there is known in this business. I was a stand in for John stamos back in the day, working on a sitcom where I would be on stage every single night doing scenes. With Jack Klugman to set for camera blocking, I'm on. I'm working with Jack Klugman. I mean he was just unbe. What was he like he was amazing and nobody out? We know when we started here, I talked about the fact that no one's going to out work you and we know, guys in this business who are like us skip Bayless. No one's going to out work grind. Bayless. He's a grinding works. Jack Klugman from the. Odd couple in from Quincy. I mean this guy was a EMMY award winner. Great story, John stamos, and I are we're in the business because we're trying to meet girls let's face it. This is, you know, we're in our early twenty s about you guys, you guys were very close, then instill are now you got to have roommates for more than ten years at thirteen years. Yeah, he was a John stamos a big big baseball fan. He walked in my room when morning, there was ice used to have a big poster of Babe Ruth above my bed. This is how much Johnny knows about sports. He walks in. There's the poster the Bambi. No. And he says do why do you have that poster Willie? Mays your bad. There you go. John stamos. But here's a quick story on Jack Klugman stainless, and I in the commerce, here we go out to lunch, and we come back, and we walked through the stage that is completely dark and because everyone's out to lunch, and it's a completely dark stage and we hear this crashing of glass, and we go over the c o o something fell someone's going to his cost in the production company, a lot of money. It's jack. Klugman on a dark set working on a little piece of physical comedy, everyone else's out to lunch and they're having a great time. Here's a guy that won ten EMMY awards is on the set during his lunch break working to perfect a move of physical comedy. Jim, whether it's this business show business, you don't get great by accident. Who works the hardest. Oftentimes of the guys who succeed for the longest so well said, all right before you go Roger, and I could do this all day long. One of the things that you did back in the day, you would host the jungle. Yeah. When I went to the basement, that is not an easy gig because the clones are not easy to deal with. And you know, this me, give me an example. Go back go back a decade two thousand eight you did the show and then I came back the next day I wanted to hear this phone call that I took from guy named Kevin in Tampa. Check this out. Kevin in Tampa. Good. Have you Kevin? What's up? How are you? Are you doing, great, first of all, I just like to say what have you packed? I was tired of hearing Roger lodge verbally, make love the patriots and make out with Tom Brady's. Butthole. Why can't believe Iran that guy? I ran that guy. It's been a long time, but I think the I oh you the right to respond to that guy who accused you of making out with Tom Brady's butthole, if you'd like to if you're a regular listener the sports lodge in southern California on AM eight thirty home of your halos. Tom Brady is clearly my man crush. That's the guy and think about what he's gone through in his career. I mean, different different players, every single year that, you know, the way the NFL is set up. Now, the fact that this guy has been able to do what he's been able to do with so many different running back, so many different wide receivers and him and Bella check what they've done in today's National Football League is so extraordinarily enough cannot be said about my Tommy, it's just unbelievable. He's still say something you out in front of that. Preach. And by the way that call did not age. Well at all. I got your back on that. Hey, now contractors can rely on Ferguson to provide a winning game plan for any job. Any day, and thanks to their pro pickup service. You can choose from thousands of products to order, online, and pick up in store, which makes doing business with Ferguson. The easiest part of your day. Before becoming a legend, in the entertainment game you a legend of so Cal hoops, you dominated as a guard. It's Rados high school. You wrote riding coattails was none other than my man, Ben Howland back in the day, Joe gigs -actly when he was assistant at UC Santa Barbara, he goes on to UCLA leads him to three final fours Benz, intense. Now, what was Ben like back, Dan? And how was his game, then would give me rides home in his GRANDE Torino? He was he kind of saw a young version of himself in me. Ben was a senior at torito's high school when I was a freshman and I was good enough to play on the JV team. And they'd bring me up for tournaments because like shoot the ball Jim, I always and anyway, so Ben was absolutely another guy. Nobody got the practice earlier and no one left later than Ben Howland. The guy put in the work and to watch him, go to three straight final fours with UCLA. And now he's at Mississippi Mississippi State doing a terrific job. To answer your question. What was he like, nobody worked harder than Ben Howland? Because this guy got further with less talent than any basketball player I've ever seen. The guy was lights out mid range, and he played defense every single possession and been been hit hard as hard as anyone. I've seen play the game. He was fierce right now Roger before you go. Finally, you're a game show guy. He didn't go good host one game show. Currently airing or otherwise. What would it be? I think I'd go prices, right? I think that before they rolled withdrew I was out on the road hosting the prices right lie. What was that like is unbelievable? 'cause Jimmy, no. I'm a people person. I'm working with the angels now on AM eight thirty one of my favorite three or four times a year. I host a thousand screaming passionate angel fans we sit in the upper deck. Run, man. It is a kid. I'm a people person. I love people in the price is right. You know, the contestants are so energized and everyone's all fired up in thrilled to be there. I think it would. Be the price is right. I think so. One last night. And one of my favorite shows, you tell me if I'm wrong, it was such a good show that when I showed old clips on YouTube to my kids, they loved it when I may Janet, watch it who's not really the game show person. She loved it show pressure luck oh, the original pressure long now when they brought back the other one that was so great because it always came down to the last spin was legit. I love that show. You know you would have been a good game show host. I think there's still time. We gotta find a gay man for Jim would you love to do the hell, yes? Okay. You know. Yes. And we, we've been talking about what a grind this business is where do you go from here? Are you doing the ultimate gig or where give me one thing that you have not done that you would still sound like every producer I've ever spoken this conversation we have quite a bit? I mean you're right. It's, it's a really good question. And people have asked me that, you know because of this grind. I love this show. I love the franchise everything I have is because of this radio program, but when you've done this twenty five plus years, where do you go from here? The honest answer is. Is a love to hit another home run. I'd love to reinvent. I'd love to reimagined. I'm not exactly sure what that is. I don't know if that's I want to keep doing this as long as I possibly can. But I want to do something different. I wanna stretch a little bit. And I really don't know exactly what that answer. Is is it digital is it something live. Is it a game show? I don't know. But as soon as you come with that answer feed, it's me, gave Bill to answer the question, let me turn this around before I get at here. Let me this around a little bit the guests that walks through this door. You know, he's on his way here, you can't wait for him to show up because it's always good. Who is it? Steve Elkington is a real good guy from me. And the reason I say that is elk knows the show and elk is just dangerous enough that the stakes are high. Now you do this for a living. You know what? It's like the interview guys, the normally don't have anything to say don't wanna put themselves out there L is still my guy because year in a year out he delivers and he's a little bit dangerous a little bit dangerous Willie Mays did not go. Well for me. Give me the guests that did not go. Well. Kareem, Kareem, Kareem. I've told this story before Roger really quickly. So when I hosted talked to on ESPN, two TV break more Shapiro who's gone on to run the world was the producer and no matter who came through that door. He would pre interview the guest and I'd say, how was the guest and he inevitably he would always say he loves you? He can't wait to be on. He's a huge fan. No matter what when it wasn't always true. Not everybody's happy to see you, you know this. Right. So this went on month after month after month same stock answer he loves you. He wants to be here. He couldn't wait to do the program. He loves the show cream comes in. And I know that. Just seem weird to be like, why is he doing this show? This is not an easy show for anybody to do. I said Shapiro. So how is he he was good luck with that one boy? And so I go in the green room and I sit down just me and him me and cream high cream Jim Rome, ROY nice to meet you. I'm so glad you here. Thanks for coming. Do you have any questions? Can I help you with anything? Just looks me doesn't even respond. Wow. Just looks at me. I said, is there something that you wanna talk to me about before we do this? You. Okay. Do I need to walk you through any of this didn't even respond? Just looked at me. The weirdest most bizarre thing ever. I mean that made the Everett interview seem like a walk in the point is Alec doing now. Go out on set for forty one minutes to talk to this guy can I just tell you something before I get out? Yes, I never told you before when you were doing the talk show on ESPN two. Okay. When you were doing on the same may was on that little lot in Hollywood. They're all it would invite production or the production group, you're doing that show, right next door was another little building. I was hosting a show. Call the scifi vortex. Yes. I know it was like the entertainment tonight of science fiction, by the way, me doing a scifi show. I had no business doing that back, man, I walk I walk in the first day of the shooting, Mike. Okay. Who's this Yoda guy, what does he do not all about? So, so anyway. So I was hosting this little scifi show, right next door to where you were hosting. I used to sneak in and watch you host that show I learned from you, and I started by saying that I've studied your career, I think you're amazing you one of the all time greats in this business. So. So I think you for having me here today, and I thank you for all of the kindness. You have showed me and my family throughout the years. Jim. You're awesome. Sri friend, dude. I appreciate saying that again. It was so unnecessary. But you are an all time favorite. You are one of my personal and professional favorites. And this was such a blast man. You still bring the energy still bring the heat we still hilarious guy. And you've had an amazing career Roger to SOGA to see when I appreciate you and the friendship very very much again. Thank you. Very much honored to be here. It is summertime Henley till you the most annoying thing right now are flies and insects, invading, your home. I know I speak from experience. And let's talk about those flies, the one that just landed in your soup it could've been anywhere from another piece of food to. Well, just think about it. 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But I held off purposely, because well, Virginia Beach is on with us on Saturday nights, not Friday nights, so wanted to make sure we had this conversation while the station W an IS great talk radio station. There in Virginia Beach Virginia is, is on board with us. So obviously, there was a shooting with. In the last, what twenty four or forty eight hours, something like that sometime yesterday. I think it was at the end of the workday yesterday, basically, I don't have the time. Well, I think that according to this story here at pilot online dot com. It was yeah it was the end of the day. Okay on Friday. So folks were close to four o'clock, I guess, folks were getting ready to leave leave the office. Now these aren't your typical offices. This was a city building that got shot up this place. That, that give out permits and water usage plans. All that stuff where bureaucrats are milling about doing all matter of unimportant things that, that you are forced to pay for. And it turns out the guy shot him up, actually was one of their own civil engineer year. I don't even want to call it a veteran fifteen. Okay, according to pilot online dot com eighteen year. Maybe it's more may maybe they meant to say more than fifteen good. Okay. Anyway, I don't use it. You wanted to share a story about this? So please, go read a story from CNN. I don't know that how you know, everybody's looking for answers right now. So Friday's massacre is the deadliest in the United States this year adds to its the city to a grim list of places impacted by deadly mass shootings. City miniature Dave Hansen, said that eleven city employees were killed wasn't the guy in remember the California shooting a few years ago, and I forget the name of the city, but there was a gentleman a lady, I think who went in and shot up some bureaucrat offices. Weren't wasn't one of them an employee there, too, as I recall. But I couldn't tell Brennan Dino. That's where it was. I feel like that person was also a, a city worker. So it's interesting when you see the government bureaucrats going after their own. Because normally you would expect the city government was gonna push somebody over the edge with all of its stupid permits and all of its threats and violence that they use against us. That's certainly happened. And it could be the case here. We don't know at this point. He's a worker. It's speculation that this point to to determine we don't know his motivation. We don't I'm just saying it's you know, he's a worker for the government. Right. So it's one of their own not somebody that they've been pushing around just like your typical victim of the government. Well, I don't know. Maybe maybe he's trying to get something done at a particular location as house can't get it done. Feels like he's been treated badly. I don't know the answer. You're speculating, yeah. Well, maybe it's maybe it's just that he's got some kind of labor dispute some, I don't know. Maybe somebody out there knows this guy because we are does did they get his about that to a guy who's, you know, says, he's quiet, but that he was doing the same thing. He normally do does on Friday morning brushing his teeth in the. The employee bathroom and guy comes up next to him washes, his hands says, hey, how you doing? He said he was at work that day. He's doing okay. And he says, what are you gonna do this weekend? He says you got any plans for this week. And he says. No. And that's the end of the conversation killer. Asking do you have plans or being asked the question? This is somebody who was alive to give a report to news, media and police about the killer's behavior. No, no. But the bathroom situation was that the killer, who was asking brushing his teeth. Okay. The killer said, no, he had no plans. Okay. Sorry wasn't clear what because he just going to shoot people. Yeah. And die. So it was says that he had a, a rifle there was a rifle found on site. There are two forty fives that he had with extended magazines according to this, I don't know what extended magazine is entirely and. He had other weapons at the house. So I don't know how relevant that is, if you intend to go into killing spree, you'll leave weapons of the house, I don't know why that's particularly relevant. But it's true. According to this, the weapons were bought legally. So I don't know that he's concealed carry permit holder, which, of course, brings concealed carry permit holders numbers continues to they continue to come in as some of the safest people on the planet. No doubt. So I don't have much else to say about it other than it's, it's a tragedy. It's a shame. I would like to know more about what his motive was. They're not. They're not giving his name often. Although we do have it. You have it. Yeah. I've got a same says here. Arthur Felton, that's not his name. No, no names critic. Oh. I'm sorry. Yeah. You're right. I was reading the wrong part about the eighteen years, you probably heard about the fifteen years. Yeah. So, right. So I don't know what Radic critic and Dwayne critic. Okay. I don't know anything else about him, but Wayne. W. A Y, N, E Doreen, Dwayne critic with a c. Yeah. They've hunted around on him. But the guy was, you know, didn't have a lot to hunt around on they, they found his civil engineer license, and he used to work prior to like fifteen years. He worked for a local organization that was it. So there's not much to say about it other than it's sad. He added security pass. So he was able to go from office to office shooting people. Unlike your average person who might have gone to a city all government buildings have security at the front checking people with, you know, whatever. But that's not going to stop us a madman from coming in and shooting. The securities of you know, crew or just waiting on the parking lot of at four o'clock, they're all going to come out and get in there and try to get in their cars. You get a whole group of them there, so they can try to increase security at the government building. But that's not gonna alternately do anything against somebody determined to take some people out. The presumption. Is that somehow we are less safe than the government employees, or we would have greater reason or something like that. I don't know. I can't I can't speak to any of those. But in this case, it was a government employee and he had a pass and used it. Yeah. Now, another possibility is the ever present sort of antidepressants thing, you know, people that there, there's either people or killing people because they're depressed or they're killing people because they take these, these up to serotonin uptake inhibitor or whatever the hell are called. I mean, I'm I'm not an expert in this, but that those things have been associated with the past could be that might not know if if you, you know, maybe, you know, a little bit more, maybe you're living in Virginia Beach. And you are connected to the situation in some way. Perhaps you are this guy's neighbor. I mean we run the air there and WFAN says a big audience, if you wanna weigh in, you're certainly, welcome to do, so at eight fifty five four fifty free. That's eight five five. Four five zero three seven three three. Let's go to Anne. She's in Arizona. Any you're on free talk live with Mark. And unless you're teasing the and calling me, any okay kiss. My great, great grandfather was there, since phone sort of didn't know. Go ahead. You're on the air. I have been researching of the mass shootings. I've worked many of the school shootings or thirty years. When you say you work them, you mean you've you've been on the scene, or you just have researched them extensively. 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We're talking about the shooting that happened in Virginia Beach e yesterday afternoon as bureaucrats at the city building, one of the city buildings we're getting ready to leave work. One of their coworkers. Apparently, Wayne critic came in and, or maybe he was already there and just started shooting people, I guess, and now apparently thirteen are dead as a result of this. Well, that's he's one of them. Oh, is that right? Okay. Yeah. I'd heard something about that eleven city employees, obviously, it was only eleven okay gunman. And then a contractor, I see. It was just they are trying to get a permit, you know. Yep. That's what she give for trying to get apartment. I guess. Well, please. I mean you've got to get a permit if you want to build or else men with guns, we'll come and shoot you down, right? Well, probably not immediately. Well, they will threaten you. If they find out that you're working without their permission, slip. And then if you continue to work without permission slip, they will send men with guns to stop you from doing that at some point, and that edifice that you're building, I suppose, don't stop there gonna pull their guns out on you. Ultimately, there is no law without force without deadly force. You mean backing it according to the story Howard hit back to your calls as well? Toll free number is eight fifty five four fifty free. There's another CNN piece that interviewed some of his neighbors, and they say that he kept to himself, we can tell you a little bit more about. Apparently he had a military passed. So yet another Madge shooter trained by the government, if you want to reach people with the ideas of liberty, you can do it from the back of your car with liberty stickers dot com can reach thousands of people with a bumper sticker. And you know, people love to read them. So check out the best selection of witty, poignant pithy and downright bombastic. Liberty oriented messages available over. Liberty stickers dot com as we continue. You with an in Arizona. And you said you were actually a court witness an expert witness in the one of the Columbine cases where parents were attempting to sue the medical companies that had manufactured the what was it s are is that the, the shooters were were taking and you were you were beginning to tell us kind of, like some of the behind the scenes or story from that if you could quickly recap for our listeners just tuning in. Okay. Yes, we had a, my mom would that we were able to use an court where he lied, lillies main. Scientists went to the head scientists for ally. Lily and said, we've got a problem here because it appears the Prozac is actually causing suicide and the memo, he's sent back to them was, we cannot afford to lose Prozac just put about the side effects list. Yeah. Well, he said, you're gonna need to tell them that the suicide is coming from the underlying depression. This is that before testimony in court. Yes. Yes, it was. And there's been many wrongful death cases settle. Well, now we don't know if this person in this case was actually on these drugs. There's no evidence of that. But we have about a clues, the neighbor said that he was up most of the night. He would hear him up. You cannot sleep on antidepressants ruin, and then I'm not on antidepressants, but I'm regularly up till three AM. So I don't know. I mean that's a nine to five job with for the city. I see what you're saying. Yeah. Says he left at seven AM in the morning. So, yeah, that's not a whole lot of sleep. I'll tell you one thing, I've had a lack of sleep. And it made me go insane. So that could be a factor here to. He's not getting enough sleep. Anybody knows that if you cannot sleep, you will go psychot- it, absolutely. So, and it's because what happens is your Rhames deletes, your dream state of sleep, your body will force you into that, while you're awake to compensate for not being able to the brim while you're actually asleep. And that's one of the first things they saw with these drugs, is that it would repress rim fleets. So you can if you have the problem before thinks the military, giving something It's still would indicate that, that would be a reason why a doctor with his him when drug. 'cause they often, give them a sleeping pill, which is insane. But you just said that you can't sleep when you're on the end depressants. Why would a that prescribe for that reason? Marketing. I mean that's more marketing than research. Yeah. It's a pretty jaded view of what a doctor would be doing for his patient. But I guess not on impossible. That's not that the doctor would know if the doctor hasn't seen the research he's not going to know that you can believe the drug reps that come suit. Your says this is great for sleep. So anyway, there's another case that happened in Wyoming. This is the case, I worked for three years worked with Jerry spent for a while until Jerry decided to retiring. He's the one that was interviewed so much during the day, Simpson trial, the weather data Alpilles. What happened in Wyoming by what happened? There was an elderly man took two doses of an antidepressant over date. Date. After the second dose. He got up the following morning thought of wife daughter, who is visiting along with her baby. Jeez. And then himself in that case to doses read company expert, testified that what should be expected because of the way these drugs affects serotonin level is impulsive, murder suicide should be expected. Yes, while it's horrifying and scary stuff. Thank you for calling, and sharing your expertise, with us here tonight on this topic. I definitely appreciate hearing from you. The toll free number is eight fifty five four fifty free. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three just horrifying. Yeah. I, I cannot stunned by hearing all these things. It's, it's hard to imagine. But I, I don't know how everybody thinks she can somehow, you know, essentially plan society based on these sort of outlying situations that are probably done by crazy people, or people that are, you know, harmed by these drugs, or whatever. I don't know how you do that. What are we taking away, everybody's rights because somebody does some something crazy. I guess that's the idea. Let's talk to Shawn. He is in Chesapeake Virginia listening to w NIS. Hello, Sean, you're on free talk live. Hi. How you doing? Hey, you're on the air doing good. I just like to confirm, what that Lee just said about the Prozac, I had a friend who battled depression for about twenty years, but never took any medication or thought any professional help, and he went to see or you know, professional psychiatrists. And they put them on Prozac within two weeks. He lined his living room with plastic and Louis head off. Oh my God. Yeah. He battled it for twenty years without the dry. Never came close to that was on Prozac for two weeks, though. Yeah. It, you know, just my layman's guests on this is that the brain is so complicated. When we throw in these chemicals in some cases, they're bound to work. In other cases, they seem to cause catastrophic problems. John, thanks for calling to share that with us really. Appreciate hearing from you as well. The toll free number here is eight fifty four fifty free. We have time for you. If you want to join us comment on these antidepressants. We're these affecter in the shooting in Virginia. We don't know at this point or is he just mad at his coworkers. There's more coming up here. It's free talk. Lot on free talk live. We're bringing people to the ideas of liberty every day from wrestling superstars like klenge Jacobs. You guys really are having an impact. 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Magic mud dot com D Wayne Craddock is the per purported shooter that tact the city hall in Virginia Beach, or one of the city municipal buildings shooting, roughly a dozen people apparently and then ending up being killed himself by a shootout with police. There's a new story at CNN talking about, well, you know, who was this guy. Apparently he worked in the public utilities department with the city there for about fifteen years listed on department news releases as. Point of contact for information on local road projects over the past several years before working with the city, he was project manager for Virginia based engineering firm and had a bachelor's degree in civil engineering, and also spent some time in the national guard can April of nineteen ninety six was assigned to the first battalion one hundred eleven th field. Artillery, regiment, at cetera et cetera was parts. Let's see discharged in April of two thousand two so he was national guardsmen for six years, held the rank of specialist at the time. No corporal, no overseas deployments. According to his records his parents say they weren't aware of any trouble that he had been having with his employer. How their life is turned upside down right now. Basically has no criminal history except for a minor motor vehicle. Infraction in twenty thirteen. So neighbors say that he had three security setup and a pair of windows looking out onto the grassy com apartment complex, Clarisa. Morale each twenty to live next door to say that again about the security, I didn't really had what appeared to be, according to clarify his next door neighbor. Three security cameras set up in a pair of windows looking out onto the grassy apartment complex. She said she had arrived home Friday night when police launched flash bangs at his apartment heard an officer over a loudspeaker saying step out with your hands up. I guess they were looking for others. Maybe that seems like a strange thing to do. When you already killed the guy earlier in the day, possibly, the he went back to his apartment and they had the gun gun battle there. I thought I thought you had told me that it was at the bureau bureaucracy at the building. There's so many Marie. At this point lived in the apartment for only two years, but only remembered interacting with chronic wants a few months ago. Craddock was in front of his apartment with two other people smoking, what smelled like marijuana. See, that's what did it markets. The, the marijuana craze, well, seems unlikely nuts highly unlikely, he says, she says he kept called me. He said, oh, hey girl, how you doing stuff like that? I was intimidated by him. I know when I'm uneasy about people. Another neighbor told CNN Phileas that the gunman kept to himself and was always in and out of his apartment with book bag said you heard him walking around would drop stuff at, like two AM me, and my roommate would try to figure out what he was doing. The neighbors said who lived below, Mr. critic didn't engage in much talk outing in quote the year. I've been there we've had maybe three conversations and that's about it. I know what Jim he goes to, and that's about it. So says, quote, I never saw him take the trash out. Never saw him bring groceries in never saw people coming in or. Going out. He kept to himself, we go to your calls, and your thoughts. You can bring them what you want. Your Keith is in Virginia Beach listening on W Hallo, Keith. I'm, I'm actually about twenty miles away from where it happened, not in the in the city. But thanks for taking my call. You're closer than anyone else. Who's called so far tonight? So welcome, what's on your mind? Thank you, the same topic. And, and like, Tracy, who you just spoke to I've actually known her for fifteen years, and she's really solid and her what she's done? And that was an who called earlier. Okay. Gotcha. I didn't know what her lists like Tracy. Yeah. She's she's been on some other interviews fours, and some other, too. But, you know, guns even tonight Corey book, Cory Booker, for example, you know, the guns get blamed the NRA gets playing the second amendment gets blamed veterans. Get blamed Republicans get blamed even President Trump gets blame for what government proved prescription mind. Altering drugs are causing in so many cases. So you believe this guy was on antidepressants? I don't know. But because so many of them are, for example, the school shootings that amd Blake Tracy is research. You said all of them have were. On them. She's featured in the, the, the only exceptions to that, that she can conclusively say, is that two of them. She wasn't able to get information from the police investigators or autopsies, or whatever as far as what, you know, medications they were on, if they were on anything and in since she didn't have that information. She can't, you know, say in those to all the other school shootings. They were and the other thing is that what's in in. You can read about a lot of these cases. S SRI stories dot net. S. S R, I story, stop Ned, where she's just chronicle thousands of them. You know, over the last thirty years, in, in actually Karrar website, drug, awareness dot org. Now on her board was Candace, pert PHD, who had told time magazine. I'm alarmed at the monster. I created referring to Prozac she was a co creator of Prozac can't per she passed away recently. But, but yeah, that's another addition witness of what amd Blake Tracy saying is correct. And wrote a book, many years ago and recently updated called Prozac panacea or Pandora. But it's really important that everybody know that the, you know, the, there's a greater risk violence from these medications when people do any kind of withdrawal, or changes they can off to be more dangerous. Than just staying on the medication though, you know, be very, very careful. She actually is also an expert and helping people get off of the medications safely, even better than what, you know, mainstream doctors anybody else is is able to do because they don't really understand. She said, how these drugs work, they just go by what? You know, big farmer sales, people, tell them that's pretty scary. So, yeah. It's, it's really important that, if starving stopping changed doses combined with other drugs alcoholic center that people really be careful about that. And you can consult her website, Juerg, awareness dot org. For information on that, too key. Thank you for calling a share that with us tonight. I definitely predate hearing from you. The toll free number is eight fifty five four fifty free. Let's go to Barry marriages jumped off the line. Toll free number eight five five four five zero three seven three three. Yeah. I mean it's I it for one. It may some may say it's you're responsible for us to just suggest reasons for this sort of thing happening. But I would hope that they would say it's equally irresponsible for the democratic candidates for president to be coming out with solutions to the gun problem on right on the back of this, at the same time, that's to be expected. Yeah, well, it's certainly what happens every single time. I like. I got an Email here from Marianne Williamson, who's running for president, and she's got a list of things that she's going to do it. Looks like about. She going to put a stop to this. She's got a seven point plan. All right. Let's hear about it. Coming up here in moments your calls and thoughts. Also, welcome our number for you. 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You can learn about those at amp AMP amp dot freetalklive dot com. Mark, I know you want to get into the seven point plan by a democratic candidate Marianne Williamson what she plans to do. About guns. But first, we go to your phone calls and thoughts here. Let's start with Dennis. He's in Myrtle Beach listening to W, R N. N Hello Dennis. Yes, sir. I appreciate what you guys, do, I listen to you every Saturday. Thank you. I just wanted to make a comment about that Phil. That called about the Cory Booker jumping on the bandwagon against the NRA and. Those people the police officers that, that went in and took care of that shooter. I mean they were great. But, but I know that was a no shootings zone whenever the government or state offices are no firearm zone. And if there have been a couple of people in there with our second amendment rights it had guns. They might have been able to save even more life, then that was only comment I wanted to make. But I really appreciate, I'm glad you brought that up because it was one of the few that we had not yet made on this, this situation. It's like a typical thing that should be said. So I'm glad that you did point that out is a lot of these shootings. You know, a lot of times they go on in schools where it's also a gun free zone. And this is also likely a gun free zone. I don't know how much security, they have at the, you know, like the ground floor level of the, you know, the building, not all government buildings have security. It depends on what town, you know, you're in what state like here in Keene, New Hampshire. There's no security whatsoever in, in these government buildings except for courthouses and jails. But beyond that, you can just waltz right in anywhere. And I think that's, that's a good thing. I don't want to have to pass through a metal detector before I you know, have to go into some government building, pay whatever tax. Yeah. So Dennis, thanks for calling in sharing that tonight. I would definitely predate here. In fact. Thank you Dennis toll free number here. Eight fifty five four fifty free. I mean Dennis is absolutely right. If people are free to carry guns, I'm sure Marianne Williamson whoever she is would disagree with this, but people are free to carry guns wherever they go. Then you've got a more safe society because there are likely people in the nearby vicinity who could respond much faster than a police officer could respond to that situation. The police have to get a call. The dispatch has to call out to the cars and one maybe nearby. And but, you know, by the time all that's happened, by the time that person that caught puts his car in gear and heads the direction of the, the shooting, there's already some several dead bodies on the ground. Right. And some people have analyzed this, and what they see is, is that when there is a concealed carry permit holder or a off duty police officers, something that's in the nearby vicinity, when something like this happens that not that the. That the situation doesn't occur. But that far fewer people are harmed and you'll find over and over and over again that these situations occur in gun free zones. Right. So I mean, are are lustrous politicians have done their, their duty in the writing down on a piece of paper that guns are simply not allowed here in this spot? Here you may not bring a gun. And of course, you may not shoot people not that they're having been laws against murder in this for two hundred and forty year. None of them have ever stopped a lunatic. Right. So laws bullets fly through paper, they just don't do anything. Let's talk to Richard. He's in New Mexico. Listening in Farmington to K. E N N. Go ahead. Richard. No, that the reasons all this is happening is as deficiency in lithium. It's a deficiency in lithium okay? Where do you get lithium? Prescription ground. Okay. All the supposed to eat. But if you have a shortage of lithium, you're gonna have violence, ten you're going to have all these. See, I've heard that people that are lithium are super crazy. Is that not is that, that in the case? I've heard that people that are taking lithium, you know, as part of like a prescription are like super nutso. Well, I don't know about that. All I know is the story to lithium the causes the holy. It's an interesting theory on this guy. He was on with you bet you bet. Thanks for the call tonight toll free numbers. Eight fifty five four fifty free. I mean, isn't lithium one of the things they prescribed to people who are like, super crazy. There's a minute makes them like even more crazy different between a drug and a dietary supple. I, I don't know. I've looked it up here, you know, it says that there is apparently problems with having too much lithium. And you know, I don't know. I mean I don't know everything about lithium by any stretch of the imagination. But I think there's an honest song about it. Let's continue here lithium in your blood, so that medicine can work. I dunno lithium is a treatment for bipolar disorder. Apparently, let's talk to David, he's in Myrtle Beach, David, you're on free talk live listening to WRR. Yes, sir. Dennis stole some of my thunder thunder about public buildings schools churches, any place, where people are gathering. I think that people that are in those organizations should be trained. Very thoroughly in the handling of firearms and be proficient at it, and also trained or talk to, and make sure are mental attitude is correct in their background checks, and all that stuff. And they should be armed people in schools, churches and public buildings that was one thing. Like I said, Dennis stole my thunder there, but the other thing is this when I was a child seventy one Vietnam veteran, I got a licensed to carry a New York state in nineteen sixty nine and Pataki and Schumer eventually I had a life. I'm Gary permit concealed carry permit and because the Schumer tacky they. Changed the rules and I can no longer carry legally in New York state. I reside in South Carolina now. And when I came here, I got a carry permit, I also have what they call a Utah carry permit, which allows you if you're licensed in the state you live in, you can get a non resonant Utah carry permit. You can carry a lot of different states that reciprocate South Carolina, most of your listeners out there. But I, I believe when I was child, I was taught no, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. No, sir. Yes, sir. I was taught to respect the forty I was taught to respect every single individual that walked the face of the earth, every person that walks to face the earth. I consider my brother and my sister. No, vape. Prove otherwise and then I just plant them. So I think that if, if the I know, a lot of teachers, and they say, there's no respect students have no respect for their authority. That's the biggest problem. I think it's the side today today and the prince of darkness rules, the world. And, and maybe we're coming towards the end time I don't know about that. I'm not religious, but I do know pensions darkness rules this world. Super religious, but you believe in the prince of darkness is that like Satan, when, is that, well, I believe if you believe in God, then you gotta believe Satan. That's just a Christian God, that's like the, you know, the, the, the daddy, God, or whatever I believe in a supreme, you know, universal force, but it doesn't necessarily mean there's like some evil devil creature. That's got a try pronged fork that he's, you know, cackling in some hell scape. Yeah. I mean God is just a belief in a creator. I mean, you know, somebody made my car that doesn't mean that somebody out there, you know, was the opposite of somebody who makes a car or whatever I kind of agree with it for saying that basically, there's definitely people in the world. That's true. That's true. I believe it comes from man. Peddlers and there's and there's a you know, Hitler's all the other demonic individuals the world center, so evil and I think we're gonna see that with by the question is, what do you do about it? David, thanks for the call tonight here we, you know, is it possible to reduce the evil in the world? It is free. Talk live. People love photography. But when we thought about photography, we realized one thing, humans are limited to looking at photos with our eyes. That's a problem. Right. So we made an app Hixon the first program that turns your photos into music, if you want to do that, for some reason, it puts the power in your hands, you get to decide why you need this. 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Eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three. And we don't have the discord on air in line rooms, lie to call in sound almost like you're sitting here in the studio with us. It's Ian, and Mark in the last hour, we talked a lot about the Virginia Beach shooting the latest in a series of ongoing killings in the United States over time. We don't know all the details on this one, but some suggested maybe the SS are is the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors of leaves out right, that they may be playing a role because one researcher who called in the show in the last hour says she's looked at a lot of these school shooting cases and his found that, that's a pretty common link between the shooter's in those cases. Now, we don't know about the do Dwayne critic who is the lead shooter there in Virginia Beach having killed at. Least a dozen people at a government building. And apparently he was one of the government employees himself working for some engineering department of the bureaucracy that he murdered his co workers, but we're not really clear. What the reason was if there was one was he on these drugs, or was he just upset at working for a, you know, lifeless bureaucracy. I, I don't know. And if you know or if you haven't he's, you know, suggestions, or you want to weigh in here on this discussion. You're welcome to join us. Plus Mark, you got an Email from a presidential candidate. We'll get into here. She's got a seven point plan as to what she's wanting to do about guns, and we will get into that. Of course, you know, generally viewpoint here on free talk live is that more guns in the hands of good people who understand how to use them who've practiced for instance with, with them who've trained that more guns in people. Hands and in carried in purses, in the Smalls of backs and such kit concealed carry open. Gary, even will lead to likely viewer of these things happening, or if they do happen, fewer people being killed by the madman or mad mad teenager or madwoman or whoever it is usually doesn't seem to be women, though, that go on these less often doing sprees. So if you want to join us the toll free numbers, eight, fifty five four fifty free, and then somebody called in to say that he thought it was lithium that people need more lithium. And that, that's wise. It lithium deficiency says is what's causing this now, I don't know if you know that's true, but I didn't know whole lot about lithium. I remember hearing like people who are crazy. You know get put on lithium and don't necessarily get better. But a apparently the internet loves this stuff. I mean I was just looking for stories about lithium or kind of trying to find out about it, and apparently, it's a very effective treatment for bipolar. Disorder. One lady was saying that it does, tamp her down, meaning that she's not really able to experience joy either. So she's not having the, the bad side of bipolar. But she's not having a good sides. Lithium is either medication as opposed to lithium as a dietary need has see what you're saying. Yeah, you're taking it as a medication apparently, is very effective with bipolar with some side effects like you might need a kidney transplant at some point later on your life. But interesting if you wanna comment if you've got. Appearance. We'd love to hear from you toll free number eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom. We'll get into that Email from the presidential candidates, Marianne Williamson in just a moment here. But I have several came statements from several different democratic candidates. Okay. But she had a seven point. We love multipoint things that we can pick apart. So let's go to Devon. I though he's in Grand Rapids listening to WT. K G. Go ahead. Devon. I was just kind of curious I wasn't a couple months ago. There also was another shooting and didn't they didn't they sue some gun company over that, that shooting boy, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, they, they somebody may have filed suit, but I haven't heard anything about a gun company having any kind of settlement against it. Okay. Then this, the thing is what all these people driving that live in Grand Rapids on twenty texting all the time. Now what if they would kill somebody would they sue the people who, who, who are their component of texting machine? What do you call these things? Floodway. I did find the story here. It was NPR reporting in March of this year, that sandy hook victims have filed a lawsuit against Remington in that case. With people to die that way, it's wrong. But the gun didn't make the choice to person made the choice are we are they gonna start SUNY? Cellphone companies. People while they're texting. You're right. I mean, people need to be responsible and held responsible for their actions. All I can tell you that they're going to sue the drug companies over oxycodone because some people abused at some point. So, you know, it seems to be just how much the public likes, or dislikes, the particular item, not how deadly it is because you're absolutely right. Cellphones distracted driving. But largely that means cell phone usage. Distracted driving is, as bad or worse than drunk driving. How many people were killed because of cell phones compared to goes last year. I bet you a lot of questions I would ask you if you're not counting suicide gun suicides, then say is probably commensurate. Yeah. It's a good question. Devin anything else you wanna share the call. Appreciate hearing from the toll free number eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom. Let's continue here. We've got Ray in Texarkana listening to KTF s celery. How you doing today? Hey, good. You're on the air. Go ahead. Well, I would just like I'm a firearms enthusiast, and I would like to point out that good that firearms have done for, for human for the human condition, you know, please I mean before the firearm, basically, we were at the mercy of their list, Kratz, you know, whereas we were out trying to plow the field and, you know, they got the practice all day with their weapons. Hello. Hi, you're right here. And you know they got the practice, cutting surf sauce head off with their swords and stuff and, and, and the firearms is just leveled the field. You know, no doubt. Well, how about all the times that guns have been used to defend against an attacker, like, you know, lane million every year, according to the center for disease control. At least I've heard is more than two million because they don't they don't go and get reported. Right. You know, you pull a gun on somebody in a parking lot or flash one, you know, if you're a lady walking back out to your car, or something like that, and some thug tries to a cost you or whatever. And then you flash gun, you don't have to fire it. You don't have to kill the guy but it might be enough to scare them away. I mean these sorts of things happen all the time. I know of it happening. You know, people, you know, You too, to know someone who is weaker. We'll say that we are person has something that, that. And then this person is at us. And they're, they're no they're grown. We'll say see that. And, you know, well, you know, probably I shouldn't I should probably, you know, get my car and drive. Well, why are they gonna find another March? They're gonna find another victim. The saying is God made man Sam, Colt made them, equal. Call ray. Thanks for making tonight. Appreciate the toll free numbers. Eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom. And this is a world where a little ninety five pound lady can carry unequal Leuser, not a world like that. It's in the United States in some parts of the US that little lady can do that. A lot of countries of the world. There's no guns allowed by anybody. But the government goons, you're right there victim. There's lots of lots of them have victim, disarmament loss, and even in some of the cities and states in the United States make it very, very difficult. And some of the government buildings Sedley. Let's continue here. James is in Texas. Also listening to KTF s there in Texarkana. Hello. James. You're on free talk live. Yes, sir. Thank you. Wanted to tell you that our local schools. I mean, it's a small town and all the schools from kindergarten through high school them. Same campus. There are signs outside every place that had driveway says our teachers are arm. They are trained. They will use deadly force. Protect our children. Is that common in Texas? Or is it just you know your area? I have no idea. The I really don't know but they're doing here, and I think I looked at signed the first time I saw it and said he. Oh, that's great news. I mean, I'd much rather see a school where I I'd rather see no government schools whatsoever. And have the, the marketplace provide education because a lot better. But if you're going to have a school, whether it's the government school or private school, or whatever, have it be an open campus where anybody can come and go, we don't need the, you know, these gigantic fences with barbed wire and cards and metal detectors to raise a kid in mean basically at a prison. I mean an analog that's what it is. That's exactly what it is James. Good call. Thanks for sharing. That's really interesting did not know that was going on out there. So kudos to school system, there in Texarkana, more on the way here, our number is eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom. This is free talk. Live. 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Now, more of the freshest episode free talk live presented by Seiko cei-. Listen online at freetalklive dot com. It's free talk live to bring up what you want here, live Saturday edition of the show, the most of the calls in the discussion here tonight has focused on the most recent shooting one presidential candidates, Mark, you have an Email from her that says she's got a seven point plan. Hopefully we're to get into that, but phones are loaded up. So do you want to do one point? And then take the calls or just Brennan to calls. That's what we do. If you're if you wanna point room just asking require universal background checks of all gun purchasers weather purchases occur, online at a gun show at gun show events at a licensed dealer locations or friendly transfers, no, my so, you know, basically gonna make you don't sell on a gun to your friend, illegal as though, that's the way this guy got his guns. We have no idea. I mean, yeah, well, the claim was he did buy them legally. That's all it's all it's all the we know. The toll free number here. If you want to join us as a fifty five four fifty free, we'll get back into your calls and thoughts. All sounds of hammers that are used in homicides in this country singer year or all purchased legally. Yeah. I shudder to think about what it would be like, if people on an individual basis had to do a background check just to sell somebody a gun, because, you know, why would I want to do that? It's my friend or whatever I'm selling it to somebody, I know why should I have to, you know, do a background check on that. And that's gonna lead to sting operations, that's going to lead to people getting thrown in prison cell, or selling a gun, even though no crime was actually committed the, the new crime would be the selling of the gun without doing the background check. And I just feel like people who are in the business of selling guns should trust their gut, you know, if somebody's acting crazy, or you questioned them, you know, whether or not they're saying or whatever you're not sure about selling it to them, then don't then don't sell it to them. That doesn't mean that an insane person won't be able to acquire a firearm. Then they're requiring them now. Right. And look at the guns aren't going away. So if you, you know, at this point estimates have been as high as two guns for every person in the country, six hundred million guns explained to me, this isn't an island in the middle of the Atlantic explained to me, how you're going to get rid of them. Let's continue. We'll we can do more of her seven point plan here in moments. Also want to make sure. That, you know about the upcoming freedom fast, the largest liberty oriented gathering in the world, this year steam, the wild west liberty and opportunity or lawlessness, and violence. 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So go to freedom fest dot com slash F. T L. It's July seventeenth through the twentieth by the way, and it will be at the Paris. Yes. F. T L, fifty is the coupon code as we continue. We will take your calls and thoughts here. Let's go to Ron in Norfolk listening to W, N, IS Ron, you're on free talk live. Welcome. I live in Norfolk which borders, Virginia Beach. Right. Borderlines only four miles to why live and another seven eight miles to where this happened. I had a friend who I work with at night and he works for the city of Regina beach during the day. Full-time. And I finally got in touch with him last night. And he told me that the guy who did this. He either found out. He was getting terminated or he was terminated. At four he didn't tell me what four, but he said, if it was something it, he worked there, three years, I probably wouldn't have terminated said that he'd worked here for fifteen years. Yes. So, you know that got that we're going to get rid of him, and there goes his retirement or goes goes there goes to plan for the rest of his life, so he snapped interesting. Yeah. They are is understand that he was washing his hands in the morning there. So he was in the employee area and his cards, still worked. So I if you terminate somebody you turn off their security guarantees. He was getting terminated. They could it could be. Here. He would've he said, if he would have walked out that building has four inches, and he would have walked out this one entrance he only had walked thirty feet. He's walked into the building. We're all the big wake city officials are. Yeah. It makes you wonder why taking out low level permit. Bureaucrats permit issuing bureaucrats. On the news, how he went Florida, Florida floor shooting. It's only two story building. Well, maybe floor to floor. Florida four. News to exaggerate. True. That's fair that finally ended up coming out. Thanks for the info the scoop, there, Ron appreciate hearing from tonight. Yes. Before this happened that in the previous twenty years, there's been like twenty six mass shooting. Twenty three of those. The shooter had no father. Five. Don't bother at home and other interesting observations. So no, dad. Couple of days ago before this happened. Anti-depressants also very, very common. These shooter two-parent households are at the plant at home. Yep. Well, I by that much I couldn't say, but I can say the two parent households are an indicator of a of a lot of good things in life. And for whatever reason your, it's your lesson less able to say that anymore, people just don't want to hear it. I mean with my job, I, I deliver to a lot of houses I deliver food part time at night, and I'll, I'll go to places where Mellon's open a door and the kids, look at you like, oh, pizza and on the floor with them as a package of raw hotdogs in rich, crackers and Mamba shot. I'll bet your Jenner. You got your run. Thanks for the call tonight or appreciate hearing from you. Interesting observations, interesting suggestion, obviously, it's hearsay. But, you know take it for what it's worth another thing is, is they've been. They've tried to draw chlorophyll correlations between having meals at home at us. Sort of set time, you know, the family having dinner with a better life. Does that happen these days? Well, it doesn't it doesn't happen. I work evenings. So it doesn't happen too much of my, but we do what's your lunch? Because your son, doesn't go to a government school. He's home. So that helps he's home school. We continue here. Kimmy is on the line listening in Virginia Beach to W. N. I. S. Hello, kimmy. Hi. Harry all had good. Go ahead with your thoughts. It's everyone wants to have someone someone or something to blame y'all wanna make sense of a tragedy. You always look for straws like this. It's the gun the cards, the sport. It's something something else besides the person heart did this and mental health is overlooked for so long and personal responsibility has been overlooked for so long that I think we all wanna blame some something is opposed to the person that did it not. It was his choice due to do this. And it's anyone's it, anyone commits a crime. They have to make a conscious choice to do. So obviously sky made the choice. I don't think anybody on this show tonight has taken that away from generally sure I'm just pointing out by another. We've taken life. Life not exonerating whatsoever, or telling him saying that he's not it's not his fault. But the point is, it's always looking for a reason that we, it's fighting look for again. Is it a single family? How full is it not having dinner is that the gun is, what, what is it that made this person do it as opposed to anybody can stamp, and go crazy? But if you're on certain drugs that seem to lead to that happening than maybe that something. 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Those types of, of sales of bitcoin, a lot of people use local bitcoins dot com for that it's right there in the name, that's kind of like its namesake, basically that, that sort of activity apparently within the last day or two, maybe there doesn't seem to be any kind of press release about this, but local bitcoins dot com has. Taken away the option to do local bitcoin, sewing. So you can still sell online for other things like, you know, Bank account deposits, or gift cards, or whatever. But if you try to go and create a new, I tested, if I couldn't believe it when I heard this, I tested it for myself today my my account where I had advertisements up for the low for the bitcoin vending machines because I had those listed as, as a local option of buying points here in New Hampshire. They were gone from my profile. They just weren't even there. Try to create a new sell sell your bitcoins locally, not even an option anymore. They've literally removed a local from local bitcoin dot com right before days before local bitcoin dot com is preparing to launch where you will be allowed to sell bitcoin cash, or by bitcoin cash locally and again through the other methods as well as just thought. Wow. What perfect timing for local dot bitcoin dot com to have this original site that they're competing with. Drop the main reason they existed literally hours before the local bitcoin dot com. Goes online. Stunning news. I couldn't believe it. So, so kudos to bitcoin dot com for launching this thing. And people are really excited about it. There's gonna be some crip encryption of conversations meaning that your conversations with the sellers and buyers are not viewable by the website. So that means that law enforcement agencies, for instance will also not have any idea what is going on. Of course you're dealing with a lot for agency on the other side. And there's going to be any KYC they call it. No your customer requirements. So the site itself would not require identification from buyers or sellers, which is interesting now sellers, individually may require identification. So I've sold on local bitcoins for while and I require I d because I've gotten scammed in, you know enough times. So it's a smart thing to do the site itself will not require that. So that's very interesting to do some things very differently with local dot bitcoin dot com. Basically their hands are off of it. They're not holding any funds. This site, they're competing with. Holtz fund. You have to deposit funds into a wall at their if that site goes off line, you'll have access to, to your bitcoin. Right. Not yours. Somebody else holds it. It's not your rights. This is a big deal. Local dot bitcoin dot com. You can sign up for the accounts right now. And then it'll turn on completely on June fourth. Let's continue with your calls and thoughts. Here we go to Arnie on the line in Scottsdale. Arnie are on free talk live. All right. So my daughter was born with a rare condition where colon is actually partially connected to her cervix now taking her to at least three different surgeons all of which says, there's nothing we can do. And every day, I can, you know, I walk by the bathroom, and I hear her in. Doc. The dump button on you. There buddy, he waited an hour to do that. That was the longest call. How that guy on hold for, for more than an hour. He I think he had me like, oh, there until the very moment that he dropped the s bomb that he had before. Oh, really? I don't I didn't know anything about his college knew that it wasn't on the topic that know that we were talking about. So that's why you had to wait because I wanted to all the people that had comments on the shooting to to go first. But as soon as he started saying walking by the bathroom, acting as though, because my first question was going to be, well, how old is she? Because, you know, if that was a problem at birth, then it would be a problem, right then and it would be an infant wouldn't be something you'd leave in the bathroom. So it automatically as soon as he started talking about that. Like okay, this doesn't sound doesn't sound legit. Anyway, can't say that word on the radio buddy. Let's continue here Alexis is in Myrtle Beach listening to W, R N n Hello, Alexis. Hello. Hi you're on the air. Tonight. What's on your mind? Oh, yeah. Yeah. We're talking about the with him having to do shootings and everything, one of my in-laws, my mother-in-law. She was actually on lithium, as she didn't shoot anybody. But she actually held my ex husband and his girlfriend, and her own coll- hostage and just knowing that you can understand why people would think that people with polar disorder would be dangerous more dangerous, if they were on him and one knowing this, that the government still allow them to take with them, if they know it causes people to be eradicated and unpredictable. To the community. I mean I I'm not not doubting. What you're saying here, your story, but from what I read in a brief search online. It seems like a lot of people really think this stuff helps with bipolar that it helps lessen the crazy of, of bipolar. Obviously, it's different for everybody. I would agree with that. But if it doesn't, there's also the side that it doesn't and things like that happen, where people are put in danger. I don't know whether it's the mental health problem, the, the baseline mental health problem or the, the drug in the case of lithium. But then, again, these, these are the same problems with the assessor is that we were talking about previously is that you're talking about people with mental health problems to begin with and it, it's very difficult to know. So I you know, sorry about what happened your family. No. Is it happened things happen? Wanted to me. Good. I also wanted to say, why do people think that it's a good idea to have no gun area. It open it's like shooting range for people. Basically crazies know that we don't have guns in certain areas. So they set up and wait for an opportunity to shoot people. It seems so obvious to us. But I just don't I mean, I don't know if we've had somebody call in to explain why they think a gun free zone would work against a crazy person why they think a gun free zone would work against a person determined to kill innocent people. It would seem like it's exactly what you're saying Alexis and thank you for the call tonight that it just allows people to shoot fish in a barrel. You know, you know, I I I've lived in the same world as everybody else's lived in and I can see why people are like, well, you can't have teachers having handguns at elementary schools. That's absolutely crazy. But. Okay. I, I think what they what goes through people's minds is well, you know, they would imagine the teacher leaving the gun on the desk, you know, the front of the room and some brat comes up Arabsat, right? I mean these guys it doesn't happen because most teachers don't have guns in hopefully most of them that do have guns would be carrying them on their person. It would be highly, you know, irresponsible to just leave it out on a desk, it could happen. But I don't think we've ever heard of any stories where that has. No. But we have heard stories of law enforcement officers, leaving their guns, bathroom Schering's airports and things like that. Yeah. That does happen. Silvern law enforcement officers with guns, and there are teacher with guns, eight, fifty five four fifty free at eight unless you're Texarkana apparently, they're teachers are armed, according to one of our callers earlier. This is very interesting. More on the way here at eight fifty five four fifty free. You can join us here on free talk live life Saturday show. To the protection of life, liberty and properties is what the Free State price about. But it's it's an effort to move twenty thousand people who understand it's about demonstrating to the entire country. Yeah, we can have a free market, a truly fee market, making it just a great place to live. 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I think it's a lithium's work with the sodium are much less damaging and VA is labor leading everyone is bipolar. Now. Yeah, the Veterans Administration. Yes. Very county diagnosis, even it's increasing among males, and I do believe that everyone should be armed. I think that they're they wanna really Nate those people heading arm that should have them say, higher bet. Well, they loans borderline and had PTSD. So they're the ones that give weapons. So, you know. By the way, the shooter was in the military. He was part of the national guard. I'm veteran myself, so and I also think that there's mental, healthy giving you just have a band mix. You have a person that, that's a home alone dealing with the situation and then you put dead drums on top of it. And I just think you have the recipe for a problem. Right. Well, I've been around somebody who's mannequin the manic states of bipolar and the last thing I would want them to have had was a gun. They were a mess. Yes. Yeah. The Marquis star you open up a Pandora's box when you start saying who should in who shouldn't be able to do. That's the real issue here is once you let the government determine who's not mentally capable of handling a gun list is going to start getting longer who it's going to be very, very soon before only the people who are currently working for us. So the ones that are allowed to have guns. Well, this guy was working for them. Yes. But he was. Anthony boarding are those suicide. We today may have been linked to us as our allies which there. Tonen you know, people you don't sit down there. I didn't know about him until actually, I went to Japan. This is like a very like I guess, successful chef who had his own a CNN television show, where he traveled around the world. And, and it was really good. Like he was really good host really interesting show. The reason I found out about it was because singularity in our discord, chat posted a link to where he went to Tokyo because I was actually in Tokyo. And I watched this while I was there ended up actually going by the crazy robot restaurant thing that, that he was at in the in the video that he did. And it was an interesting video and can well presented. But when I when I searched for my found out that he'd killed himself. And I think he hung himself actually was how how he did. But the weird thing was in that very episode in that very episode. He made a joke about suicide. And apparently he was kind of obsessed with suicide, according to one of his girlfriends. So, so I don't think that was a surprise. For for a lot of people. He was it was something he was kind of into sets suggests a long-term depression, or, or whatever it is was going on with him. Laurie. Good call. Thanks for sharing tonight. I appreciate it. Yep. Toll free number here is eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom Robert in Texarkana. What do you know people have strong feelings about, you know, guns and drugs? Free talk live. Go ahead, Robert. Yeah. I've just had a little comment here about, you know, when there's a bombing we all blame the bomber when there's a drunk driving accident. We blame the driver why when there's a shooting the Democrats blame the gun while sane people blame the shooter. I don't know of any Democrats have called in and night. So I don't know we can no answer that question. But it's a good question. I would say this about bombing the after the, the Oklahoma City bombing. They did make it harder to get certain types of fertilizers and then sort of thing. So and also TNT isn't as easy to get as say when I was a kid and certainly not as easy to get is when my dad was a kid. And so they've, they have made it harder and harder to get bomb making materials. But now the internet can make it easier and easier to get bomb making instruction. Yeah, I haven't looked that up. Well, the thing is, you know, everybody blames the person that does it you know, the crying like the bomber the driver except for when it comes to the gun, and then there's a big part of the country, now, it's saying, oh, well, we need to regulate these guns instead of regulating to people, or whatever, it'll never course, change anything because it'll only make it so fewer law-abiding people have guns exactly the crazy lunatics and the gangsters will, of course, still get whatever it is. They're, they're looking to get or even as we seen in, you know, other countries like took like the UK for instance where they have banned guns. Well, then, of course, people are just stabbing people to death. So now they're trying to ban knives over there. And of course, that's not going to solve the problem. Either soon will be forks. Spoons Robert, thanks for the call. Appreciate hearing from you. Good points. We continue here and I still, you know, if if by the looks of it just about every democrat. Candidate wants to see the guns spanned further their that's their base. You know there are. Pandering to their base. In fact, you've got an Email from a Marianne Williamson who is apparently one of those democratic candidates, they seven point plan. We touched on point, number one. We'll get to the other six here. Hopefully, but first we go to Donald in Virginia Beach listening to W N. I S. Hello. Donald. How you guys do. You're on the air. All right. Thanks. I just wanted to call in and. Well, speak upon the shooting here. I'm actually live about two miles world, this happened and friend of mine, actually knew the shoot or. I guess trying to, I don't know try to everybody has their own speculations. And first of all, the guy was actually on the only thing this guy took was actually vitamin, and there's no. I, I have met this year to once I'm not going to mention his name, and, you know, I'm not going to go into that. You know, he wasn't a friend of mine, but I wouldn't I knew him and he's. It's one of those things here. People speculating on. He was, you know, the press and everything, but you never know what. It's like just there's an actually new medication involved in this at all. There was a caller earlier who said again, this is all hearsay. Right. We don't know what the the real truth is. But caller earlier said that he knew somebody who worked with him at the bureaucracy at the government building. And that the claim was was that he was going to get fired, and that maybe he had caught wind of his potential, firing and went off. Well, I can tell you, there's no tooth Annette at all. Really that. Yeah. Hayes is worth ethic was outstanding. I mean as just, you know normally hear that about bureaucratic. Several we'll never really know what drove onto that, but no. His job was not in jeopardy at all man. Real liked. I mean he didn't have a. Nobody seems to know what happened. He didn't have an enemy. He was a great person. I mean showed out the worst firmly yummy. And it just well time will tell and it is possible. I mean, you never know what kind of evidence he left at his house, or whatever. So, you know, we're just getting we don't know all the details on video creates some there. We'll never know now that he's gone. We'll really never know. But. Say is anybody out there is this face to play us for the family? A lot of people think you for the call. Appreciated. There's more coming up here. Hour, threes, next free talk. Free talk live. Most of my life, he went to printed them for please. Protect and my father was the chief, what was he like at home with you, when you were growing up is he violent with you? 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Toll free number is eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom coming up the seven point plan, which I'm sure I, I am a red the, the plan, but I'm just going to guess we've heard all the points before in some form or another from various democratic candidates. But one of those democratic candidates for president has a seven point plan of what she wants to do about guns in the wake of the most recent shooting there in Virginia Beach with you tonight, by the way, it's Ian, and Mark expect one of these plants somebody to roll out these plans every time there's one of these tragedies. Sure. Because they are using these tragedies as a political football to try to score points with voters. That's, that's what they're doing here. They're socio pats, and I'm not talking about just the Democrats all politician. For the most part are socio sociopaths, and they're sick people. Let's go to your use incidences to benefit themselves themselves. So let's go to your calls and thoughts. Here we have Tom in Hudson, New Hampshire. Tom, you're on free talk, live course you could argue that we're doing the same thing. The go ahead. Tom. About the abortion laws that some states are imposing much more strict then what is consistent with these pre court ruling Roe versus Wade. And I have a better idea. It is both pro-life and pro choice as the same time this should be okay. All right. Okay. Well, the song Papa don't preach. Okay. The pregnant girls choice is to have a baby. Okay. That is her choice. And it is a pro-life option as well. But of course, in some household is like, in this house, you do as you're told, what did you think you gonna do, discreet this family with an illegitimate child you going to the clinic tomorrow, and that's all there is to it. And if you the way from California to New York, the cops will simply return back to California and the baby will be murdered. But let's say one of these states like Arkansas for. Sample simply okay, we're no longer going to do that. Okay. As soon as she crosses the double yellow line on. Dateline? Avenue in Texarkana enters the state attack Arkansas, you know, the saying those lines on the map mean a lot to bureaucrat, and she's under Arkansas law. And no, they're not going to send it back to California. They're gonna put her in a foster home, and the baby is going to survive. And if the her parents never get to see their grandchild, if serves them, right? It's a solution that they certainly could offer. And I think it would be a better return salvo than when Alabama sort of, you know, basically, outlaws almost all abortions versus New York, which basically says that a baby can be hanging half out the birth canal and then they LOP off. It's I think that this point we're just talking about politics. And I think that would be interesting. An interesting salvo, in the whole right to life war. Okay. You've got on a bundle of knob zoning restrictions. 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Dick Cavett and Robert Bader

"Hi I'm Gilbert Godfrey Mrs Gilbert Godfrey Amazing Colossal podcast with my co host Frank Santo Padre and we're recording get Sirius. Xm where please stab to guest on the show this week both making return visit. Robben Fader is a writer editor producer archivist author with numerous television and documentary credits including Dick cavs Vietnam. Dick Caveats Watergate. You Beg gel-like the lost episodes and the dawn of sound. How movies learn talk. He zones the producer of the mocks. Brothers T. V. Collection and the editor of the Book Groucho Marx and other short stories and tell tales and as discussed on this very show. He's also the author of the sauce stiffly researched and vastly-impressive history off the Marx Brothers live performances. Four of the Three Musketeers. The Marx Brothers on stage dig cafe turns to the show for the fourth time. He's a writer comedian. Best Selling Author. Emmy winning talk show host and one of the most admired pop culture icon of the last century in a long and very lush curious career. He's acted in feature films. Tv shows and Broadway stage production hosted various specials and narrated documentaries and as the host of various incarnations on the Dick Cava Joe conducted unforgettable Linda views which such influential figures including Woody Allen. Bob Hope John Lennon Lawrence O. Levy a Salvador Dali may wish Bette Davis Orson Welles and of course his friend and comedy hero Groucho Marx. Just the name of their latest project is the documentary alley and tavern that tale of the cakes. Which can be seen on? Hbo On February Eleven. Please welcome back to our most intense detaining and knowledgeable guests and two men who can tell you are really wash duping meal heart dig Cavite and Robin Baiter. Do we have any time left now. Let's let's start with the meal or they fucking I'm certainly l. Let me help you with Amelia. Okay on something like page. Three hundred eighty something as a footnote in this huge book. But you found your favorite thing. I found the most important art. Was that great photo of them. Yes there's more than one great photo I believe to be true. So harmful was fucking. Amelia earhart HARPO. Apparently she got around really one of the famous people well. I don't like to drop names. His initials might be cary. Grant grant or Marlene Dietrich. Wow you're breaking news buddy Dick Dick. You have a comment on this Was never on the show. I had a question so fucked. And how do we? How do we know? That's a whole other. Amelia earhart weight up and down. There's there's a long sort of bit of history about it but Amelia married. Guy Named George Putnam who was famous from Putnam publishers. And he wanted to Hollywood she would only marry him if they moved the Hollywood he got a job at paramount. Got Her a studio passage. She just loved hanging out with movie stars and she fucked all well that could be. Yeah I think she missed. Fatty are about how I should say. One thing. Gardner legacy are extremely protective of her papers. And what can we got a lawsuit waiting for the University Library? Has Their papers do very very careful who? Let's see anything so I'm going to recommend you go there and they give you full access. Yes Oh okay now I gotta ask you a question. That has nothing to do anything else being discussed on this episode now. I know you're much brothers expert but right before I let the house. They had on standing Ali. And I'd like to know what's your whatever knowledge I have of Laurel and hardy. How accurate was that film elected after? I've seen you haven't they painted Hal Roach and I have to say so. The groucho used to love to tell this crazy story about being in New York City in a blizzard of the. He's trying to get a cab and a cop comes over to help him and he recognizes them and he goes. I just have one question to ask you. And grouch assures. Why aren't there more on hardy movies on television? Hap- HAP- maybe. The one thing Groucho had your chance to ask one question. That's hilarious. Dick News Stan Laurel so I'd be curious. Did you see the Standing Ali movie? Dick yes I did. I thought about a month ago and I thought I knew I'd be disappointed because when people play famous people. They're never quiet riot right. This was perfection really jess great painted. How Rocho I under- Well. We know that how Roach was cozying up to Mussalini. But they painted them in a rather on for a flattering light in that film. Yeah well they have a lot of unflattering light but you liked it you like the performance of very much yeah and and the script That was really really good movie. I was sure It wouldn't be better any better than Oh what was. The dreadful famous person played so dread flair for years ago. Strangely enough Rod Steiger's Debussy Field. Oh yeah was rather good Valerie. Perrine was in that one fields. In Me Yeah. Did you feel a story of the movie? Standing Ali was accurate to the way their lives were. I don't know enough to know for sure I'd love to have one more chance to meet ten Laurel and asking film. Maybe in my dreams but He he told me one time I met him as a apartment behind him was the Pacific Ocean. Last drive called in California Ocean Ocean drive and it was interesting to see this man many years ago with framed against their Atlantic Ocean and I asked him what if he saw babe as it was called hardy often and said I I can do it but I think it would become our tedious but maybe approximately said the last time I saw Dave Babe it was Christmas and I went over to his apartment and Lucille. Open the door. There was an Christmas tree and I had taken him a very nice prison and it was obvious that he had gotten one for me. Which I guess was promoted in keeping with their relationship was kind of sad. Yeah and they looked under the tree and he saw this gorgeous expensive famous bottle of Brandy. I think it came from a museum. Say by a thousand dollars worth and he picked it up. They said he handed it out to me and he said you know you can never find this brand in the liquor store that his days and put back on so that was Something About Him. That drew now. Would you say that Stan and Ollie's relationship was at least better than Martin and lowest is a strange comparison They they occurred at different times in our lives of course And they and they were born performers Jerry. Of course denson performing Hard to say I I I think they were brilliantly perfectly matched by sheer accident. This this things often happen and the fact that paid didn't make a lot of point of seeing each other off camera doesn't bother me. I have a friend. Who's a fanatical fan of hers? And he got to meet Stan and then one day. He drove to the Hillcrest Country Club and they said. Oh you just missed Oliver. Hardy destroyed off in that car. Then hardy died or as we say passed. But he both past and and And he never got over that fact that he missed meeting babe hardy by almost inches. A I'd love to have met him. You came close to meeting Groucho as a as a kid and missed him by by a few minutes. Yes that's right. Yeah what. A WHAT. An idiot savant your. He's t ended up for you Gil. I was out in Hollywood. I didn't live here obviously there either. I didn't live in Hollywood but my dad and I were visiting. Some relatives is and I went to farmers market. Of course I was about twelve years old. Maybe and I went up to a chicken leg standby chicken leg and the lady said I kid. You should've been here. You're Groucho Marx. Standing right where you are now I thought Oh no I knew who works for those just arrived on this planet and I couldn't bear it. I couldn't eat my Jacob lying right year now. He's out in that sea of people somewhere. My one chance to meet him. Fortunately years later I met him wholesale for years and friend of his and went to with him and he'd come to see me and we really became show number of times and by the way Mr Bater was introduced earlier Had the good sense to notice that I had so many guest appearances with Groucho on my show that why not put them into special he has. Let's go to the next project after rafter. Exciting y'all scoop. He's just announced. How many were there? There were five seven. Seven seven appearances. He appeared on the morning show twice which are all pretty much erased by ABC. But we've been able to get all of one and most of another so. There is a great half inch open. Reel video format from the sixties and one of the other guests on that Groucho show from sixty eight. Was Frank Buxton. Whose wow. We just lost him not long ago. Box Guy and he was a director of the odd couple and Morgan measure success. One hundred voices two and a good stand up comic and He made a half inch. Open reel video of the show and it was on a sixty minute tape and it was a ninety minute show so he just paused whenever Glen Campbell was about to sing a hostile. That's missing from the tape. And then the other one there is a a Kim scope which is a film made off of television of portions of that show so we have enough representation of all seven of the shows. That's great. I just watched the sixty-nine and the seventy one the book I some both of those. Abc Show Yeah. Yeah sixty nine. Shows the twits Groucho. Show is an hour of solid groucho. He's fantastic through the whole show. And the seventy one shows kind of GROUCHO. Starting to get a little odd behaviorally. He gets political in that seventy one show to he takes them take some shots at Nixon and LBJ. And and yet he'd also previously been visited by the Secret Service because in an interview with some counter culture magazine called the realist Maybe seven or eight months before that show. He said that it would be a great help to American someone who have the good sense to assassinate Nixon and they put this eighty one year old guy on the enemy's list and visited him to kind of make sure he wasn't a real threat fascinating. I was stunned to see a shot of Groucho at the table at the McCarthy blacklisting hearings while he was in the committee for the First Amendment he wasn't that he he joined joined up with that organization the John Houston helped found whereas grabbed when groucho session. With the master with Senator McCarthy he He said well? Those are my principles. And if you don't like I have others wasn't he wasn't worth the Fed's watching you bet your life at one point. The jokes aside the true facts of that story or that. They threatened to take his show. If they didn't fire the bandleader games. Jerry fielding yeah. That's tragic starring they did fire Jerry fielding and years later. Groucho said it was the biggest regret of his life and Jerry. Fielding Groucho headed a strange relationship for many years and fielding did actually ten gauchos eighty fifth birthday party and they sort of reconciled but He was told you lose his show. He didn't get rid of while way they did it. That's the way they offer. Is He while while? Yeah but watching that sixty nine show is just. It's great. I mean the Lydia the tattooed lady and he's he's still in his in his in full command of his powers. I would say that was probably really close to the beginning of the last of his prime. I love talks with this. He goes he captured. The last of Groucho greatness is the phrase. I think years that was just the way. Put it that that that show all tells the Greta Garbo Elevator story which is which is final. Yes yeah he I asked him if he ever met. Draw Book Arbonne said. Yeah she was a nice woman she had big feet which he was very nice and feet was not. Didn't disillusion me about her. They were an elevator. I think in the MGM building. Yeah she got she got in front of him right and they're facing or close and she's wearing a wide hat he said and I took hold of the back room of her hat and I pushed it straight up in the air so the hat went down over her face and she turned around and Jewish chivalrous. I said I'm sorry. I thought you were Philo. I knew from New Jersey. Whatever it's funny. I became the most fascinated with groucho from watching. The shows are that he did with you really and and while when he was already starting to lose with a golf cap with the walls on the bird'll next shirt and ill-fitting jacket. If you saw all of those that you saw in order you would see it a little failing with each one. Yeah and there's a couple living there after. He started to have minor strokes and he starts to slur a little bit in some strange way. Mohammed Ali and Groucho Marx. Have the same experience with their avid show. Appearances segue had you like that. I was smooth. I thought you'd like I. I remember him singing. Drown Rural Strung. Real searchers vols talking to his Shaan wander ago. He's shed ish getting through warm here. I'm going Robertson. Join where I can have some fun and you stay down here where you get along the folks who live above rue. They don't know right for for church say to share. They're getting they've all gone off. Jowell. No one knows what Finding for dickey you're having a flashback. Released that as a single putting it on the back of a cereal box. I know everyone listening would love to do that again. Let's not you know the funniest way. Do you know who wrote that? Earning land I think they said on this show. That irving Berlin was really embarrassed by that song. And that's why groucho whenever Sing Berlin supposedly said whenever you have these urge to cigarettes on get in touch with me. Give you one hundred dollars every time. You don't say I remember Stan Laurel Story. I'm wondering if you may even senator. Someone said it on this show but I heard that you know Jerry. Lewis Wanted Stan Laurel to work in his company with him. Production Company is as an idea. Man least or something Yeah he did At the time I met him here course wasn't really seeing anybody. He could still go out to restaurants and they he wasn't enfeebled or anything but Jerry Lewis came in visit data in the hospital and in a note he sent to me said Jerry. Lewis came around and I I gave me quite a lift and I showed that to John because he was a great fan of of world particularly and he said isn't that something imagine that Jackass bouncing around your hospital over. We'll come back we'll come back to the Marxist but let's talk about the Ali documentary. Robert did that ever so subtle segue. I loved it. We Gilbert I both watched it absolutely fascinating and the Dick. It's sweet that you guys actually forged a friendship between you sending people if anybody said you know you. People said you'll make a lot of famous new friends doing that. Show I I made maybe three out of fifteen hundred whatever. What because you knew them from you you know you know them from the show. You don't go out and have a hamburger and bowling next day together with Lucille Ball. Or whoever is but Lee as he continued to come on and it was impossible not to be taken where the first matter but I realized this guy is becoming my best friend We like each other in a way that there are male friendships. Netter harmless off. That's That's what we really had You liked him from the get-go didn't you? Yes something was such a phrase came to me in fact that day. I remember woody. Allen was writing for his first day at work at the Sid Caesar show and he said when said walked into the room for the first time it was like seeing God it is true about said Caesar and it was equally if not more true about Ali lifted into another world when he was there and he was funny and he was intelligent and just fun to be around. I ever saw him was thanks to Jerry. Lewis I was working for Jerry. Lewis on that Jerry Lewis to our show feel faded one on Jerry Lewis I just want to remind. Did he once told me that? Working on that show as the television equivalent to being a passenger on the titanic us. Not I would never say a thing like that. Well you can feel it thinking where we're going to gently band is still playing but Jerry was really great on many of them others pissed away so scandalously that it was just horrible. Look at but Has Anyone remember what it was? Oh my I look at the Great One. Duck deletion back. They said AALIYAH's here. We were at the Jerry Lewis Theater. Which was formerly. El Capitain legendary Hollywood theater in Hollywood and vine and they had altered it slightly they had taken the floor out and put Jerry's face in the floor and stones and there's Jerry Lewis Theater of course and I said I gotTa See Lien. I left my office and I ran downstairs and out into the lobby and there was a group of people on the sidewalk. Ten or twelve and a fight going on verbal real fight between Muhammad Ali and a man who is in the crowd out there. This is weird. I don't WanNa to be totally disillusioned and Ali just said some violent things and walked off and in moment he was out of camera range knowing the medium as he did. He just laughed. And you saw what a good actor here. What is it over. Talk to the WHO? Supposedly fighting with but That instinct of knowing the way they always say Henry Fonda never missed his mark in making a movie. You just worry. Rise elated to always knew where the camera was Did how it goes sale. I heard he was really pissed off at Ali told the lady years. There's that one wonderful bet where they're sort of arguing on camera and these ready getting closer and leans over and pour Howard. Says you'RE GONNA pull my to pay off aren't you? He wasn't going to but he got credit for that. They ended up friends. I hope I think Howard cosell was one of the guys near the end of imploring him not to fight anymore especially homes. Yeah no he wanted to see that right right except maybe Ali and the people who just pay I think cosell and cabinet cabinet actually might have done it i. He was the guy telling him he's got a retired enough. You can't take this anymore. And you know he would make jokes about it and continue to fight but cosell also sort of turned around on boxing and sort of wanted to ban it at certain points correlated. His career was speaking about how boxing should be outlawed. Because of what happened to Ali. Yeah Well Dick and one in the documentary at various points. I mean you you said you. You describe it as sweet science and you said it can be artistic but it's also brutal. Yeah and punishing and barbaric and like football players. Who sit around carving a piece of cheese all day. Pinger Sport Yeah it's it's a tough brutal for the head is destroyed by. There are probably as many boxers who have become a boxing term tomato cans. Now they used to use the term punchdrunk and the older and the old days before we know what safety was. The sweet science is the name of the greatest book on boxing. That's just a fact. Not An opinion Jay Labeling. Yeah and it's a killer and The sweet science leave relates it to early early histories of boxing. Can you believe they fought with no gloves? At one point there was bare knuckle. Boxing bear fighter. Sure I remember to punch drunk reminded me like growing up. Every comedian did like their punch drunk fighter. Character on Guy Red Skelton. Yeah Yeah we'll slap see maxie. Rosenbloom had an acting career already. Basically I basically played that guy. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I never was taken with boxing at all. I was kind of fun to listen to on the radio but not great but when somebody asks me you're GonNa have a lien on. Do you know heavyweight. Boxing and I was lucky enough to think to say my knowledge of Heavyweight fighting starts with Lewis and con when I was in high school all the way up to the marriage of Ethel Merman and Ernest Board. I love that line was a fairly film festivals that was one of the huge audience. Lattes great left and I was thinking of the march tonight at the opera and they tested seems. They left enough room for the laughs. Even if I didn't think it was going to be that enormous but that's a huge raft. You're dealing with a pro there. Think of the people who don't know any of the people we've mentioned are they're probably not listening to this show if they don't they're hoping Gilbert Irving Berlin class at this point did you get push back a I mean. Angry mail either. I mean because you were you. Were giving a forum to this man. Who Yeah who got some refusing to serve and it says Jackson. You get your. I hate letter. I got one last week but seriously folks who gets credit for saving but seriously folks Some comic but Yeah One day well. I used to see the hate letters poured in to Jack. Par for him that hate letters poured into Joey. Bishop that came in to anybody There are people out there who hate as their center of their life. Apparently Ali was so polarizing particularly particularly at that time it might have been F- either that I had had aaliyah on and he had this educate visas avoiding the draft do nine refusing to go angered a large number of people who know them. They're gonNA vote for the next election and Ironic is I felt kinda. Sorry I hate to say this. Besmirch your show with it. I felt Kinda sorry for Donald Trump the other day ladies and gentlemen everyone to cabinet making headlines looking a human. He's going through hail and I thought maybe if say Gilbert and I put a little money together weren't tiffany's and had made a set of Nice heels burs visit monogram. I'M GONNA hide your make America. Great again hat. I love that that was all along. Setup you click things around here. Don't you get that Long Gill? Is there something interfering with your happiness or preventing you from achieving your goals? I yes. I didn't realize that better better. I can only hope to improve better. Help will assess your needs and match you with your own. Licensed professional therapist. I'll kick and do this online. You can start communicating and under twenty four hours. It's not a crisis line. It's not self-help it's actually professional. Counseling done securely online. Everything is online now including therapy. There's a broad range of expertise better helps counselor network Which may not be locally available in many areas. 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There're a couple of things that were really different about. Ali's multiple appearances and other people who made multiple appear also there's a progression of two things. Their relationship becomes warm and friendly as it had not been in the earlier appearances because Kevin lets him come on and say his piece about basically the nation of Islam which they never mentioned by name on the show but he sort of preaching and his refusal to go into the army and you know one of the early shows cabinet sister. How do you stand on going to jail? You know. That's kind of where those first interviews were and that it's sort of progress into a friendship? It's fascinating to watch but what's also happening as they become friends you could see. Ali is deteriorating in a little manner of his speaking. Seems a little bit heavier and slower? And it's sort of sad in a way to see by the time he's appeared on the show in like seventy eight seventy nine. He is not looking like a professional athlete anymore yet. He still fighting. And that's sort of what Dick was trying to get through to him in that. Nine hundred seventy eight show after Leon spinks had beaten him and become the new champion. Dick begging him to retire now. He's making jokes out of it. And that's when I really started to see what the friendship meant to Cabinet. Because he's not doing that as a television host to be provocative. He's trying to tell his friend to quit. It's fascinating very touching actually wishy Ed. Everybody does Was He did. He need money that badly was he trying to just stay in the public eye. Was He both. Because there was an engine he was feeding. There were many people. The entourage's a lot of people making a living on Muhammad Ali. There's a sports writer in the film. Who's wonderful Michael Marley? He used to write for the New York. Post for many years and Marley says he never saw anybody with a hand in his pocket pushing towards retirement. That's interesting it's fascinating to what you're saying. The early shows sticks a little. You're almost puts you a little bit on the defensive. Because he's talking about the white race being inherently evil. Yeah and that's that's early in the game when he's he's also at his most defensive. And you can see the the trust over the course of these interviews building between these two guys said becomes the whole thing becomes less contentious. The Dick Making me WanNa see this special cabinet. Show was a big change for Ali going on shows because he had been greeted less warmly. Elsewhere was David Susskind. Just call them a phony and Jerry Lewis even the show where you would just be being funny. Comic show calls him a Blowhard and says he's not really what he says he's you know he didn't go on these shows and get a totally fair shake because there was a large part of the country that just hated him for what he was standing up for like a he survived all that not just turned it around. I mean this guy went from half the country hating him to everybody loving him by the time. You know it's all over. I mean. He's a venerable beloved figuring out nobody ever think thinks talks about him not go now. Everybody says he was right about Vietnam. Then you couldn't find your ten people to say he was sure and he was courageous at the time member with him like with a lot of these celebrities Where the the friends and family go out and public to say. Oh He's just a squeak and he's just as would he has ever sat with them having lost spend bit of it. Yeah Yeah. How did you find frazier? I mean you get the sense that you you like. Joe Frazier to you. Had Him on the show a very fun for many times and I knew it could be trouble He was a tragic man in many ways. He there was the thought of course always in his mind. And who any other fighters. If it weren't for Ali I would. It's like what Jack Nicholson said about Brando. When Brando dies every actor moves up one while and true a bit about about boxer to Fraser You could feel nasty feelings in him quite clearly sitting with him. There was even a scary moment. It's in the documentary where Muhammed having a great time or irking Fraser. Said he called him Roy because him boy and B. as in boy B. Ally and Fraser to cool to the arm of the chair as I recall in started to get up. At least that was the sense of what happened and of course. Ali said I said Roy Moore. That's a funny moment in the dock but frazier in that show. Seems like he's not in on the joke. He's angry it. He is tired of Ali. Painting has Schori but yeah the uncle. Tom Figure that he he liked to paint him. And Frazier was deeply hurt by the end of his life. Frazier was pretty bitter about. He was people would ask him about Ali's condition when Ali could barely speak and he was pretty much incapacitated and frazier would just say good for him. You know Kinda horrible in for frazier to be that bidder. Was it hard Dick? When he came on he came on after defeats he came on after Norton broke. His jaw. Game came on after the first frazier fight when his face blew up. Was it hard to see your friend going through that good word for I? I hadn't seen him before the show. I just came down as show started. Said hello and it wasn't until he sat down that I noticed how swollen it was as if you had a hand your Chico. There was no hand the cheek and and he was said. And what he says. Exceed on documentaries I'm just so broke down fired. You're the only one no other show called me. You know new on and then I got the award of my life Dick. You're my main man. You know the crazy thing about that. Is this shows you how much Ali really liked him? Because he could have gotten on any show anywhere after that fight and the only one he went on was the cabin show. Every show would have killed. Get Him and it's not true that he was the only one in fighting the Hollywood. Do you guys are practically a comedy team at certain points. I mean when you when you went to the training facility in Pennsylvania. And he's giving he's giving you should about watching Carson over your show. Well that was the gaslight to he was so hard to say I get. Everyone would use this word. He was so cute about him at times. And so funny and Cute Ornery Childish. Way And we were going through his cabin on his training camp. He had a theme of Old West Dark textures and he and he had learned where antique not just recently obviously but it seemed like it because he would say Dick CMO antique pump. This mold antique chair. This teak table. This is my old antique. Whatever and I it was at that point that I said. What do you do in your in here said? We'll have television but I I like to watch talk shows you know Johnny Carson. I slip too fast. And he was so pleased that is Joe. Did you know sunny? Listen NO I. I'm I have thought that I must have met him. Once in a group of fighters at somebody's party somewhere in Long Island he may have been there. That's the most I can say but I remember that lesson fight my God when well the one where he was down first minute wasn't it? I Know Bob. Hope said I arrived. Listen sat down before idea. Was that the Phantom Punch. Yeah Yeah you had Floyd Patterson you had your Lewis. I mean for a guy that wasn't a boxing fan. You had all of these people on the show. Yeah I don't know how I got so lucky. The lead up to the Ali Frazier fight. Boxers were were over the place telling how they thought we had no chance. And that was what Joe Louis Ed Sugar Ray Robinson. Both pretty much set on the cabinet show of course to always great happiness. Cosell predicted that he would not have a chance in that fight. Either right you know. He'll love when people would predicted he was gonNA lose night. Loved it right right. We bounce around a lot. We'll come back to Ali since you brought up Joey Bishop and passing before. I think I think Gilbert and I have been trying to solve this or or get an answer. This question for months and months. Oh Yeah why was? Joey bishop so disliked because that's that seems to be you. Did you like him because the Joe Joey Bishop? Sarcasm never heard I guess he was kind of a pig and three hundred shows. We haven't heard a kind word about. There's like two Joey Bishop and Danny Kaye. Not have not heard anything positive. Never anything we even heard at least two or three good things about Jerry Lewis Jerry Jerry and Joey bishop nothing I know Danny Kaye was the greatest thing in the world to me as a kid. You know the court jester in the flight in with a dragon mcallister and the palace and all that stuff and I just started was fabulous. The English still do they worshiped. And there was a comic on Sullivan. Who was from England and he said you know we have three classes. And then we have lower class working class and those who've met Danny Kaye. And is that way there he was just a God over there. One night is an another unpleasant person? Are you watching the crown at all? You're old enough to know that the phrase the Duchess of Windsor. She was not the most delightful person. Apparently he came out of his dressing room and he's playing London and they said you know you've got that party tonight and he's Oh God I forgot whereas in so and so tells where to the ballroom there and there was the royal family all the royal heads of the theater great actors and Comedians. Everybody was there in Tuxedos. Mtr is and the women and Just elegant elegant quintessence of elegant crowd and Danny Kaye had an ill-fitting Brown suit that he wanted. The Duchess of Windsor noticed and said well still trying to be terribly funny is gay and he looked at her and said to him. I people applying separate email address for the lawsuits that we don't worry about. You know we keep hearing nice things about Benny Dick of course who you knew and everyone has. Everyone has loving wonderful. Warm things to say about Jack. Benny and not too. Many nice things to say about K. Or bishop it seems to be a recurring theme. I I wrote for Jira for for both Jerry N Maecha but Bishop Nitro and I never had any trouble with him really. I want one of these writers though decided to cash it in when I left off his went into you. Went to the Starr's office from Jack Parr aunt and Johnny and your your long on their desk and you left Fred. My friend Fred Wendy and to Joey had worked for some time and had had it and he just took the monologue right past Mr Bishop and placed it in the wastebasket himself and laugh. Now it shouldn't it. Shouldn't tamper with. I'd say comedy writers. There's anybody here all after member. Robert Q Lewis sure. Oh yeah sure. He He was always substitute for Arthur Godfrey and it funny kind of low glasses and he happened to have stigmata of what is recalled. Those things when it's people smallpox mixim still have them on their face Little crater scarring. Yeah that kind of scarring and he had it but he had I think nose putty or something sort of putty knife dover it so it didn't show on television but it was apparently not pleasant to look at and re-live anyway he was nasty to some writer for the fourth or fifth time ordered him to his office. Went Down said. I'm leaving why because I can't even say it. I just had a nephew. I'm leaving and he went to the door. Paused for moment said Bob Lewis which par for your right cheek off the things that stay with Jackie gleason yes. That's what we heard. He say moment said I'm not wearing any longer. I've read for an hour. I'm sick a jacket and tell him I'm leaving going home you know. Jackie gleason was abandoned by his father as a kid but anyway so Still what if Mr Gleeson comes out and finds that you're not here waiting and the guy said kill him. His Dad drop by out full comedy writer be others. Jeez who the writer was to get a degree ended up Paul keys and tell them who you pull keys. Well yeah he was he. Writers Bradford Nixon speechwriter. Yeah yeah that was one of his best credits He was I was in a mansion. It but what I was gonNA actually say was people ask you. Who's the worst person you've ever worked in show business engine Danny Kaye and a couple of others and there was a man who was Jack? Pars head writer and he was nasty. And I knew it Mr Woody Allen said you're going to meet one of the worst people in the world when you start work tomorrow with Jack Partial and I met him use glad-handing knifing gossipy anyway. It's Brits Guy. When I've talked about him in public and I've said just that much I say I don't want to say his name of course but his initials are Paula keys. Now I heard it gleason aside from the right to say to him. I heard of the bad things. Jackie gleason name to strangling people's pets gleason at all to Jackie gleason. Oh Yeah I did. A couple of shows him. He loved doing them. They were done at his great house in Florida and I got along fine. We used to sneak into his show before I ever met him. When I was just making rounds out of work actor in New York and I saw he's studio and I got. Cbs envelope a big win. And I went in and I said to the Doorman. How's IT GOING TODAY? And he saw my. Cbs Envelope and he let me in watching. Lesion rehearsals wonderful. I'll bet he knew everybody's lines. Anybody went up as they say what black he would tell them what the line was nasty. Here's what car I said. There's somebody wants. What was it about gleason as it's fine fine actor? They said he's one of a handful of actors in the world or never makes a fault move. He was a good dramatic actor. Yeah yeah this is something I learned from watching from doing research and watching old. Dick Caveat shows and will know what I'm talking about that Orson Welles met Hitler as a child. I'M GONNA have to look that up and leave that in an article and did on his show yes talk about having met Hitler he claimed he met FDR Churchill was this tall tale. Robert Wells had dicky's money's worth because you can tell this now but orson would not appear on your show for scale. Oh don't well you could the statute of limitations. Tell them what you do to get the center of the Statute of limitation various unions and guilds. But I've thought Orson Welles is going to be on the show. We'll see him in person. I won't touch the ham of his garbage. He did a few yeah. I did several of it. He said My producer said necessarily going to have Orson I'm afraid Scale on this show is something like three sixty avenues that he wanted a little more. You're wanted five thousand. Wow and that it was determined that we didn't dare give it to your anybody found out all people who'd appeared for scale the unions to this day. I don't actually know if he got all of the five thousand. But he got a hefty increase. Interesting everybody else in the business And they were certainly worth it boy. What's was awesome weld site? That point was was he still interested in show business or had given up on it. He had kind of over there. Several classically known pissed away. Careers Brando's Orson Welles others. Who for some reason eventually toward the end just didn't honor? Their talent didn't do stuff that was worthy of them. Did John was was one of those people. I don't know much more bad. God knows he was Brady and he always had unfinished projects he was sure. Money for there was always there was always something going on in his career but he just seemed more committed to picking up some quick cash. The D. Morton roasters openly by the way on the on the Groucho Capote episode deck turns the Custodian says. When are we going to see that new novel answered prayers which he never finished he? He's he said it'll be my posthumous novel joke joke you know and I know what happened. At big excerpt appeared in something like maybe Vanity Fair and that named enough people that he didn't dare fan highest level for the family and people in show business and They hated him ruined his life. It's a big decline from that point watching him and Groucho together on that. Seventy one show is a is a treat. Yeah that had a special aspect to it because He groucho decided to join in with the red. Several guests in German graduates in crisis. Jimmy said to Truman found out of WHO's married offered propose marriage. Yes awkward. This is an interesting thing is I mean. I told us at the new. One of Johnny's ex-wives pretty well I knew Joanne Carson second former business carson. She told me that would Kevin Carson were both doing show in New York. There's a lot of competition for guests and Truman was really a carson guest. But Joann was best friends with the guy and when Joanne and Johnny got divorced Truman state fringe with Joanna. And Johnny was pissed off so Kavak got custody of Truman in the divorce. Fascinating was one little boy speaking of the Marx Brothers. That's a great transition. Here comes something. I am speaking of people who a lot of people dislike now. I heard a lot of people had nothing. But bad things to say about. Zippo ZIPPO was a very complex guy. And I've been becoming great friends with one of his sons. The last few years and Zappa was just a difficult guy because I think he always got the short end of the stick from his brothers. You know when he came into the act they were already famous. We're telling me outside. They would never make him a full party. Never made before parting the business. They kept them on salary and he was determined to quit and while their parents were alive he could never pull it off because they insisted he stay. He was bitter about that forever. He proved to them. He could be successful in his own by becoming. Very successful agent made a lot of money. In business was an inventor had a lot of patents but he was always out to prove that he was good as he could be to them and he was also a really hardcore gambler and more so than check. Oh and CSIKOS daughter. Who I know Gilbert new maxine he used to creeper out by calling up and doing Oldman Groucho on the phone established that so she explains the difference. Chick Oh love to gamble. Because he liked to have action. Zeppelin gamble because he wanted to take your house. Wow just a ruthless gambler and he was out to get people when he gambled and his son even told me that he was kind of like the very competitive he. Oh he spent his whole life trying to prove to his brother that he was good and worthy any probably overcompensated and chick was pretty much his role model as his father figure which made him look a junior gangster. There's a great story that when she got married for the second time in. Nineteen fifty. Eight ZAPPA was going to be as best man. But he couldn't attend the wedding because he was subpoenaed in a federal racketeering case in Indiana and he was in court right. I like I like the gum-os story to where they were. They call them was it. Somebody the IRS was looking for Chico and the call they said we can't find chick. Oh well you're not looking to either. Brought her a horse. That's a good title for biography. Broadmoor it's also sad. Speaking of not paying or paying scale Dick it breaks my heart to to realize that. The ZIPPO never came on the cavs show because he because he wanted more money. I called him and people said Zepos got stories that make all the other works credited stories. Pale by comparison you did and I call him and in Vegas and we had a lovely chat animated and so on and he said but what am I want to come to television for? I got my house down here and I've got my boat and I got my friends. I got card games. I got everything I need. We WanNA come to New York and I wonder if we offered Zippo. Five thousand too late told you the first time. I think I ever heard the name Groucho. Marx uttered was by my father. Who was just the right age for when? Marx brothers I moved came out. It would come to town and he said you always thought that people laugh so hard. They fell out of their seats. It was true in those that he would just lie and they said the main one is named Groucho Marx and So then I read a book about him. I said do you remember. You're the first person to ever say the name Groucho Marx. To me wet. I said well you said that. Once groucho walking down a street in Hollywood and the woman came up and said Ou. Mr Marques tell me are you. Is that Boko or Harpo. Just love is about to ask you the same question again. I I remember. I just had a flashback. Irish working with you I dick and we were. We went we were staying at the same hotel and I remember. I just started doing my old senile Groucho imitation. And I chase you down the hall. Way You were like rushing back to your room and I started following you the whole time to see not groucho and when you get back to your room then called up free phone in the hallway when you wench digest like remember John. That's what makes it out. Do you dare admit these things. Only Johnson. You ever memory of this dick of him of him stalking you. Mentally John Know Gilbert even today. I suddenly quickly and see. If you're behind me who judges seen how Groucho. I've missed him with rocks. Every time I've speaking of Gilbert Impressions you interviewing James Mason on the cavs show you said was a turning point show for you remember saying this about effective when I broke in digest going notes. Question notes that you said that show you remember that. That show was kinda turning and half of this as a cheap Segue into Gilbert doing his James Mason impression. But you said that was kind of a turning point where jackpots advice. Jack Karen Amazement called me on the telephone in my apartment about three weeks before I started doing ninety minute show. Abc and he said Kid when you do this show. Let me give you some advice. Don't do interviews and I did a silent. Take over the phone. What do I do sing to them? Or read Beowulf to them. Or what do I do? He said No. No don't do interviews. That's quite queue in a and was your favorite this and that it's just facts. It's just boring Make it a conversation and of course that's it I mean and that's that was the show I had learned that are with James Mason and he was the first Sam really happened. You choose new. James Mason is Ralph Kramden. I Guess Richard Burton is Norton. Lay a little bit on Dick and and okay let me see if I still remember this. Check your memory okay. I Yeah I used to. Do you know the honeymooners the motion picture I James Mason as Ralph Crampton not occurring burdening. It's the raccoon lodge voting told him and burly tonight isn't that right north shredding feeble and then and Jack Nicholson as Halis. Your not fucking going bowling. Ralph wish you could see wish you guys could see Dick Space August. I can sort of do certain actors from hearing Gilbert do them yeah and The only time I've ever done one that he did was I was watching the television tonight. That James Mason's commercial for what wine thunderbird yes? He did in a dinner jacket and the Caribbean somewhere on a moonlit patio. It is like Orson Welles did in. His career was Almaden. Wasn't cheese. Orson Welles for Almaden. I think was the one I just remember that say. Commercially owned the Ocean Welsh total. That's a great one. That's on Youtube. Yeah movies people. They always cable. Or they'll glass and James Mason I can't. This is a joke. It's a must be a sketch is tuned in to know James Mason. Doing thunderbird while he must have had a couple of alimonies very wise elegant. James Mason and I decided this next time I saw it clearly. He wrote the last line himself because he held up the glass of Thunderbird and said and I have to tune Gilbert to my lyrics. Now I promise you you've never tasted in seeing quite likely were mental areas James Mason I. I'm wondering if it was on your show that another connection with Hitler that James Mason source some of Hitler's paintings rings a Faint Bill and whoever was may have been you who said. And how would you rate his paintings and James Mason said if you walk through Greenwich Village New Usual on any weekend? You'll see quite a number of Hitler's on the street. Sir You're impressing losing paid or it's an odd thing to save. He was architect student and Sue of his paintings of for architecture are very very good straightforward paintings of the street to something at nurse. Some people in them with their weirdly distorted picture just for consistency sake. Give us a little bit of your Richard Loo which you did on our very first podcast. I've told you never never to bring that out. When I was in the village I had an act and I did my act and a first time I did it. I said you got another show tonight. I got I just got through my first act or voter I need a second show and I did a couple more jokes hit upon something. I'd been thinking that day. How much I love the actor. Richard Loo whose face you would instantly recognize from back to baton and first Yank into Tokyo and I have thirty World War. Two had he played Ajay Evil Japanese current order but he's voice is quite recognisable And I found that I could do it so my second act for this paralyzed. Audience Village was fifteen minutes of talking about Richard Lulu. All with the dog just leave Lay on the floor at this club but then I gave him my thrill. I said I know you'll recognize this voice and the face will come to you unless you're six years old. I said I'd say to somebody or you'd be Dana Andrews and you say to me because he and all his men had been captured by Richard Loo. Could he do dentures? No not really. That's my favorite. That's what all the audience is. Gino David Brenner Richard Lewis. It'd be really impressive. It's only the content line which f you'll never get any of my men to talk colonel. Mitsubishi you'RE GONNA Torch Okay. You'll never get any of my mental talk. Colonel Miss Choubey Must allow mine coughed on NOT CHANNELS STRONG GUARD DOWN. Matz Week House lying. We put Richard Loo surprise to me on my show. Everybody had a secret and I couldn't imagine and they said they just handed me. We're at against fall out and they send me. Who's coming on and I introduced him. Breslin slaying the band. Bong Dong Dong Dong PA and Richard Loo standing there and he walked over and said Mr Cavan. We'll have arisen Dave that Jackhammer from an aircraft carrier of the Horn that variety. Just got some gooseflesh now. Dana Andrews was on that show about would you? Dick was in Los Angeles during a Poi- a few years ago I set this up for him. I set up the tape of that show and as it sit down look at this and his mind was just completely blown from seeing Richard Loo. And doing Richard Lieutenant Richard Lewis. Yeah fantastic what I love. My man wrote me. Thank you know tied him on a couple of times but I still get goose flash when he comes on the screen his voice. I remember toge- thought this sound crazy. It's a little bit poor Katherine Hepburn's voice is Alao shop. In there so I muster aligned yet coughed on. Its little exciting horse at the moment. Very first he was of that time period like World War Two when they were hired. The Chinese actors yes indeed irony in Japanese slow. While they were murdering his family back home he was playing them on the screen. Yeah Dick did I read somewhere that you had an uncanny ability to recognize character actors on the street. Does this mean anything to you. I seem to and that's amazing to me. It was amazing to me. That other people didn't right. I I came to New York. I just walked the streets looking for famous people just about everybody do a little job. Well I would say look. Don't you recognize Edward Mark? I would recognize him and Henry are Meta. You would get a second one hundred and fifty movies. I saw you at the Ninety Second Street Y. With Alec Baldwin. And you and you told John Wayne Story and then telling the John Wayne Story you did a little bit of John Carradine which I think Gilbert would appreciate a bit of John Carribean. Oh I warmed my way onto the location of the stupidest John. Wayne's last film Western. Yeah so one. As I walked over there were all old. Buildings were and the Old Streetcar and there was a chair with John. Carradine's name and as if by magic. He came kind of walking a lot of arthritis but he sat down and he was just sitting there. And I thought I got it. I must have something to say. John Kerry Wood In Duke came by Mr not too naive people. That's John. When did you came? Hey do could carry as duke passed. Its chair John. Donnelly looked at him and said Hey John Carradine said who'd who duke what is this. Is this number four number seven? I can't decide movies. They made together. But I don't think I hit John Kerry Dean just now so I'm GonNa ask you to do to John Kerry whether a horse for close enough. You know Frank. I did this for you but I can turn any conversation back to the Marx brothers like that. Go the bit that because I got questions here for your from some fans the John Carradine role in everything you always wanted to know about sex. The film was written for Groucho and black loud was written rate route. Show and Groucho at that. Point was a little bit Past remembering lines and doing that sort of work and he just wasn't up to errands in it. Yeah that was part of the deal actually bright. It was conceived Groucho and carried the United Commander. I think Lon Chaney junior went up for that part. Of course they was an audition. I read about launching junior audition for Woody Allen. Well I'm pretty sure. Aaron got the GIG because Groucho agreed to do it to pull out Erin state. Here's a quick. Here's a quick Marx Brothers crushing for you. The expert from Listener Mike Herman For Robert Baiter. What is true and untrue about the UNMADE film a day at the United Nations that the Billy Wilder Roger was a was a treatment that was written and at that point in your career. Nobody could get insurance on Chaco because he was very sick and near death and I don't think it was ever seriously on the radar for them to actually do it. I think they were listening interesting. I think groucho early didn't WanNa do the Marx brothers anymore. Even past year the late forties sure. Groucho DIDN'T WANNA do the march for those anymore and Harpo had plenty of money and the oft repeated phrase altogether. No Chikako needed the money now. Steve White Asks By. Hey Robert Vader did groucho ever get any money from that Vlasic Pickle Company for the likeness? Yes Mascot yes that was a license that I believe still exists to this day so if they run those commercials. I do believe payment Pat Harrington did the voice of the stork knows. The GROUCHO was paid. Good stuff rich go ahead. What was the story of how it was very strange in the movie Story of mankind got it was the Marx brothers and but separate an actor. It took a particular genius from Irving Allen to get the three of them and not have them appear together. Yeah that's strange but I also think it was Row chose desire not to work with them at that point as the Marx brothers took. Here's one for Megan Reinhard for you Dick. What was it actually like being in the room with Erin Fleming? Did she ever rise to the level of elder abuse or were there? Those close enough to protect Groucho. Go to HAL. Oh I share with someone else can see. The woman wrote to me. From Waco Texas WACO turns out to be one of the world capitals of Hate Mail and knowing that when I worked for Jackpot or my secretary tried to hide a note and I said Okay let me see it I might have had a Lien. Or might have edgy and fun to on or somebody else who might have spoken about or something that Nature Waco Texas dear get cabinet you little sawed off Sega. Communists menace shrimp. There was a return address. I wrote back. I'm not sort of right. Sound good answer questions about Aaron you want to answer the question Fleming. Skip it What was it like to be in her company? Was it unsettling in some way? Yes I got along with their inflamming. Which sort of apparently put me in a rare category but She was controversial treated Groucho. Those who are few people like her and said she at least got him out of bed and you get things and he did Carnegie Hall that you've got him to do this and that and that sense she was good. She was also Suffering the lowered of mental personality problems plagued her head sad life. She she did. She did come to a to a very sad end wound up being homeless. I think Jerry. She wound up being homeless. And then shooting yourself yeah. Yeah here's one for Baiter before we get out of here because these guys have to go to St Stephen Colbert. Show Peter Blitstein. What was the most surprising thing you discovered about the Marxist and writing for the Three Musketeers? The blacklisting in their early career was really revelatory. Because it explains so much about why they continue to play on. This show could say shit holes after they were famous And they forced the business of Vaudeville to let them back in because they were making so much money for the renegade theatre circuits. That was kind of a big surprise because I never really put that together until I really dug deep in but yeah the fact that they got blacklisted. Twice which is perfect. Because they're the Marx brothers. They should do things to get themselves. Blacklisted. But that was the real story for me. That surprised me very interested. Surprising Mr Blitstein also has one last question for Dick Cavite. Why in God's name did you ever agree to be Gilbert's first guest on this podcast long story out the night before threatened to reveal what we did that night and he's still threatens it before you guys get? Outta here Tell us about. The documentary is going to be. Hbo Yay February Eleventh Premieres February eleventh. Just say this I decided that this film is made after reading these two blog pieces. Dick wrote about Ali for the New York Times and looking at the shows in his reading. Those two pieces as an this needs to be a movie. 'cause it's kind of the weirdest buddy picture you'll ever see it's wonderful and I want to recommend cabinets Watergate as well. Yeah which is terrific. And strangely time of year than ever. You know. There's so many topics within the archive. The DECAPA Joe Fillmore that I gotTA keep making them. So we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA look forward to a caveat won. I mean excuse me Groucho. One working on cabin Groucho near nearly done. Yeah that'll be really fun. Film for March Myself. I'm Evan Niche terrific. You know the ninety propose. Marriage Trimmer Capote. He was wearing that fabulous. Golf Hat That why it'd be ill and had little golfers knitted on an Three little knitted golf balls and as I remember it and maybe this was off. Camera Groucho in pursuing the idea of marrying trim and trim and said Hey. Can you imagine who's got three balls earnings hat? Nobody heard the three Bolton on his hat. That's what they were laughing at. We could talk to you guys forever. Didn't we gill. What do you think here's one last one? I'm going to squeeze it in. Did turn down being in a Fellini movie allegedly. I don't know for a fact that was really offered to him. I think Aaron said that I think Erin said it at the Cannes Film Festival. So maybe that's why she said we have one. We have one minute convict. Tell the To Lula bankhead story to go out on. Oh my God which one the check. Oh One yeah. Gieco wanted desperately to meet to the bank. 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EP 24 - BRAIN DONORS with Will Hines

Shut Up I Love It

51:22 min | 1 year ago

EP 24 - BRAIN DONORS with Will Hines

"Hello this is Sasha and this the Stephen and this is shot up I love it. A podcast where guests comes on to talk to us. About an aspect of pop culture that they think is underrated underappreciated and just generally under liked will hinds is our guest today. He is a performer and teacher at the Upright Citizens Brigade Theatre. He's been there since. Like two thousand yes. He's acted in a handful. Let's say more than a handful of television shows. I'm editing this bio as I'm going. Okay whatever you WanNa do many of which were good yes. He wrote a book. I'd say two books right. I have now at this point in two books on Improv. which no one asked him to do but he did it anyway for well? It's a noble endeavour. Yeah he co hosts a podcast. As I'm going to say right away. He Co hosts to podcasts as one he co host with his brother is called. Screw it which is going to talk about comics which is about comic books. He also hosts a podcast about about the Beatles. Yet you've heard of them. Yes banned it's banned from Liverpool neighbor. Big in the sixties. Well no other time. What's that one called? Screw it. We're just GonNa talk about the Beatles is that your that is true. Well below will. Hi Hey thank you for being here well my pleasure. Thank you for coming all the way from Los Angeles California that was an undisclosed location. Yeah which probably brought up. We've disclosed they'll look for the address us on twitter We'll what are we here to talk about. We're here to talk about the movie. Brain donors the nineteen ninety two comedy brain donors which was a sort of modern version of Marx brothers. Movie I love it and I think not a lot of people know about it and a lot of the people who do know about it hate hate it and I think they're wrong another name. They had for the movie. Supposedly lame ducks to get rid of. Yeah because the ownership ownership something went down with the studio like. I don't even really know the story. I couldn't find the story online. The boonies not big enough for anybody to worry about. So it's like you know like apocalypse now is a movie. Where every little inch of its history has been documented by one hundred people but the movie brain donors has been left severely undercover D- By the a Hollywood reporting industry. There's the experience I had watching it as a fan. Sounds like twenty two and came out and then years later sort of pick up small pieces of information about it. How many times would you save seen this movie now? Is it bad if that number is low. It's the truth I do love. This movie sat with my two brothers. We talk about it all the time. I've seen it twice. Do you out a lot of time. They use I for this. podcast no did you see it for this and yes so. That's number three now. Are you and your two brothers. Do you fill Marx Brothers archetypes now but I wish we did. I wish we did. We're all Zepos now will I. Am You wanted to originally bring in a Marx brothers movie right where we were GONNA. My original one of my original pitches for this. PODCAST was the march for this movie. Animal crackers rocker's Because of the Marx brothers movies. I think that one's not appreciated but you know it's still revered like if you're any film buff is going going to tell you that. That's a good movie in comedy nerds Love Animal Crackers and horse feathers Horse feathers to. Yeah I love that movie and I think that's duck soup is the Marx brothers movie. Everybody loves which is a great night at the opera right under the opera and I think that animal crackers in horse feathers are better than to the opera maybe even better than duct soup. And but you know we're splitting hairs here because like animal. Crackers is a beloved movie. I mean it's the haven't seen animal crackers and you are comedy Fan. I recommend it's quite. It's quite a strange movie movie. which is another part of the reason? I like it but so we were. You Know Sasha and I were talking about this back and forth and then I remembered brain donors which was it's like basically a Marx brothers movie done in Nineteen ninety-two with modern actors. In a modern story but it really is like a mark. It's based on night of the opera but only very loosely. But the reason I bring this up is that's how I got into the Marx brothers. I didn't get into the Marx brothers directly. My brothers and I went to see this movie which was out for like a week like it was from almost no time online. I've read about that. We had any relief. It was barely out at all and my brothers and I saw it in Danbury Connecticut which is like the small town in Connecticut. It's not where you from. It's from but what I'm saying. It's not like we were in New York City. Where if a movie is released east anywhere? It's in New York and La at some art theater right. This was like I don't know how it was in our Main Street Theater Danbury Connecticut but we saw the week was out we loved update. It was gone immediately. Nobody talked about it. I was stunned and we liked it so much that we then started watching Marx brothers movies because of it like we went the other way. Hey how old did you say. Twenty two twenty twenty one twenty one and the youngest and the oldest oldest. Yeah my brothers are five and seven so they would have been Sixteen and fourteen when we saw it we but we were. You know emotionally you know Arrested I mean we were way we were young for our age That if that helps like I would I would say we were all ten years younger emotionally at any point in our lives than our biological number like how much younger you now than you. Actually I would say that I am. I'm currently fifteen years emotional younger than my. I'm forty eight and I feel like I'm thirty. Three okay emotionally. Nobody cares in society. But that's where I feel like I meant I'd be great rape thirty-three-year-old it'd be outstanding good to put it out into society and maybe somebody will care. Yeah this is this is the way to. That's right that's right. So brain donors is like this modern Marx brothers. Movie and Yeah it was called at some weird. Originally it was produced by these occur. Brothers and these are the guys who did ed airplane naked gun especially at this time right like they have since become like the the I don't know the scene sort of his old school or out of touch or something but like in nineteen one thousand ninety one like that's when the naked gun was out like a big hit Or maybe naked gun two and a half but like they were relatively modern even airplane which came out in nineteen eighty still still loomed large in comedy landscape in one thousand nine hundred sucker. Brothers meant something. Oh you know. And so it's like Oh. The sucker brothers are producing a marx brother. Other style. Movie was what my brothers and I heard. Somehow we're like let's go see it. That sounds Zucker. Brothers were in and then then somehow by the time the movie was released they had bailed on it. They like abandoned it. Oh really left. Did they their names. Not Drama will never know. Yeah it got taken away from them or they walked away from it so they're actually not their name is not on the final picture as producers. They're not associated with it. It's Dennis Dugan as the director and John who now is famous for making all of the Adam Sandler late period. Adam Sandler movies. That are generally maligned and he was an actor before this. I think he was an actor for awhile. I think but I don't know so it's like we want to see this movie for the sucker brothers. They ended up not being involved loved. And it's a really strange film. Yeah because instead of remaking just a Marx brothers movie instead of doing like a night at the opera which is famous Marx. The movie set of like redoing that they did like a Marx brothers movie with three stars who a- GROUCHO HARPO VO in Chico type person but they're not exactly Groucho Harpo when Chico Harpo one of the things was he didn't speak right. This HARPO talks up a storm. You just have a big trenchcoat with props and stuff and he does a lot of physical comedy. The groucho character. John Turturro is the closest. He's pretty much just groucho but then she goes like not at all like what Chico was. He's British he's British and he's basically not involved in the film. It's sort of a Polish last name. I thought Mellow Malan. Check the actors British right right but the characteristics with the British accent. Yeah Yeah but his last name doesn't sound it right. It should look into the summary of this film. Stephen sure yes. So as as will mention John detoro is is filling the Groucho Marx role. you've got a Bob Nelson. Listen was a stand up comedian. I also loved a lot of the time he's playing jock. Who is filling the HARPO role? Then Mel Smith is playing Rocco Mellon check the Chico role. Yeah well the movie opens with an extended sequences Jacques Getting Ready for the day. Yes peewee Herman. It is very hermit. Yeah and by the way what a nice trick of Nice stunt of him changing his old flowers the new ones by putting on two hundred cords awards bungee cords and just jumping out of the way quickly picking up the new flower blocking the MoD and then returning back I like that. He wakes up by hitting his alarm clock doc with a sledgehammer and then opening up the top drivers rushing that's all these broken clocks and he show shoves that in there then the door beneath all these new clocks. That's what I saw and I was like is Tis type of humor might be like I'm going to enjoy but then the the plot as it is kicks in and we learned that the the family that Jacques works for he's ground groundskeeper. The Patriarch has died young and The his widow Lillian Goldthorpe played by Nancy Marshawn And this older woman figures. Prominent in many marks the Margaret Dumont carrying would always be this older rich woman. That groucho would take advantage of. Yeah she's literally in every movie. Yeah most brought this or clips if you if that's what you did. You looked up a few clips. PODCASTS feet see Margaret Dumont every single one and so the GROUCHO character. Roland T flack. VISOR has insinuated himself into her her life previously and She wants him to be present for this reading of the will shock and Rocco ostensibly now work for Roland. He hires them. Yeah in the will. The late Patriarch of this family has stated that. He's one of his last wishes. Is that a ballet company. Be set up in his name And and He states that the the person who manages this company is going to receive an annual salary of five hundred thousand dollars. Yeah Roland who is literally. An ambulance chaser cannot foot. Yes I think that's really funny to let me I meet him. We see an ambulance coming over the hill and then he's running behind it. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Rolling can't Pass that chance at five hundred thousand dollars. So he enters into competition with Edmund. I'm in Laszlo. Also a lawyer for the family and The N. China Turturro's trying to or flat visor Zor to grab show guy is trying to scam. His Way and the other dude is more of a legit contender. But he's also kind of slimy and evil. Yeah yeah he's really root for our ambulance chaser because he's funny. He's funny they. He tries to woo the world famous What's the characters name in the lottery? The grave the Laura. I used to know him when he was pretty good. Volare pretty much like this is just one of my favorite lines on the movement but also there are two Lovers who are also in the ballet or cross London. Lisa Lebron and Alan Grant not the Sam Neill character from drastic park. This is a different allen grant unfortunately yeah too bad played by an actor who feels like Christian Bale both visually and the the way that he speaks a little Christian. Bale but this isn't and this plot is like From night of the opera like there was an opera company and there was like a really arrogant star. That was a jerk and there was an up and coming Nice Guy Star and marks WanNa help the nice guy and they don't want it not help the snobby Abby Star. Yeah and that's basically what the rest of the movie is is This then foiling. The lawyer rival and the Great Volare getting you know messing him up and helping out the two lovers and trying to get role in the job. Yeah they've set up the dominoes and they let him fall and it's just a bit for lots of the disguises. Shenanigans movies eighty minutes. It is showing the way I like them. Yeah which Marx brothers movie especially early once they sorry about eighty five minutes. Yeah they're really short. And that's too long Harp Solos the original Marxist movies always take a break for Harper to play the Harp Caesar Boring. You've got to skip that. So there's really there's only and and then there was a couple of dramatic scenes that are dumb and old Marx brothers movies basically like an hour of Marx brothers and then half an hour. Harp Solos dramatic stuff in the old Marx brothers movies but I think bring donors is dumb like nobody talked. Would it came out like it came and it sunk and it left I mean it was gone in a week. It wasn't advertised either right so the studio did not back it. But I don't. I don't think people were like loving either. I mean it's a very corny movie. It it made its domestic. Total gross is nine hundred. Eighteen thousand dollars. A million tender is no reported budget. It is not right. I mean I'm just so interested I would be interested to hear I. Donald John Turturro ended up in those Alec Coming Baldwin turned down. Did you know yeah. I didn't know that to Charles Great I love took Sean. Penn is going to be in the three stooges movie of the nineties. I guess that was in the nineties. Yeah it's you know the so. There's lots of corny jokes. Sor- sort of you know like the Marx Brothers but really more like airplane like airplane has tons of jokes and this movie kind of has just like lots of it has one of my favorite jokes ever in all of movies which which. I'm now going to tell you when the two lovers I've things have gone awry and our three protagonists are gathered around the young Christian. Bale wish guy lover trying to sue him and the Guy Goes Oh. It's all my fault and Bob Nelson Harpo go. So it's your fault attacks the justice that was great and my brother and I will still could that to each other whenever anybody says. That's all my oh so it's your fault to say turning on the person who's feeling bad my favorite joke in the film and I had to play for my boyfriend because I like to play a joke like that for him to just remind him how how innocent. My sense of humor is where early in the beginning still in the setup sort of somebody says oh this is nonsense and flak visor says. That's not nonsense. This is nonsense. He just points to the off camera. Where Jacques just starts acting acting like an ape gives doing for like a good thirty seconds in him biting off and chewing on candle and I just love that because I just love how long this goes on? I love it too. That's great I mean that's why like Angie Tribeca to me is a very funny. TV show very similar type of economic. Yeah like airplane. I like There's a scene in the movie toward the end. Where they're talking about how the operas ballets GonNa be the next night and torture goes? It's a very formal affair. Do we all have Tuxedos. And then the HARPO character goes yes and he rips off the clothes he currently has and he's already wearing a Tuxedo under his clothes. And then the and then Groucho uh flat visor says well. That's really good but it's tomorrow. Don't you think you're a little overdressed for today. He goes all set rips his Tuxedo. Often he's got other clothes underneath. I need that and then Turcios while I'm very impressed but then somebody's really makes me laugh is then jock. Says I don't have suitcases is to travel why he's wearing all of his clothes so passionately. Like just really make me laugh. This joke does get recycled quite a bit and it's still funny every time. It comes on as early as his introduction in the movie I think. Doesn't he rip off his pajamas. He's got other clothes underneath. Nathan's Day closed underneath my brothers and I really liked it. We just we just thought it was so silly and dumb and funny and Talk to our friends about it. No one had even even heard of it it was like we had gone into an alternate dimension and seen a movie and the title is dumb. Like I don't know why it's called. Brain donors it doesn't make any sense and but lame it doesn't make any sense either. Supposedly brain donors. They tried to use lame ducks in like a test audience. An audience like non responding. Didn't WANNA WANNA see lame. Ducks must be. They must have been trying to reference duck soup with that title right not a very effective name for although there is dog. Shooting sequence ballet. Yes that's right which is hilarious. So they do like a Swan Lake type of Swan Lake and then the John Characters Justice Big Swan on and then Groucho and Chico addresses duck hunters and are hunting him in the ballet supposed brain donors as the title cause more people to get interested in the movie while they were testing thing. Yeah because it's an old brain donors have to do with science You you know Dr Seen though when they all disguises says doctors and there's a really great banter they're having trying to sound scientific. Would they analyze x-rays in front of their the Tagan Est.. Yeah I think. It's just the most brilliantly written passage from movie with. I love that too. Yeah the go back and forth discussing deliver. Is it liberal now. I don't think so and I can't remember what the Badger is hilarious. Yeah I like the little lie that they tell when the antagonists recognizes them. Wait a minute are you. You look like the people who are trying to ruin the ballet or whatever you know those that's not us. Those were completely different people. Those are twin brothers. And we're never in the same room because we're married to the same name. Women says that's next on Geraldo. I remember like watching that and being like this movie's good they don't shy away from what we're at the time contemporary references. They're they're very aware of the fact that this movie is happening in Nineteen Ninety two. Yeah and so. Are we when we watch today because women are portrayed reportedly which unfortunately is right in line with the old much brothers. There's movies Sixty years apart. Yeah Yeah women are objects in trophies in this film and grouches always talking about dating underage girls calls yeah. There's a lot of those jokes. Yeah like Vietnamese. Yea Vietnamese that he jumped onto. We were in the war together and I jumped out of eighteen year old Vietnamese girl to save his life. Also they manipulate Laszlo so that it seems like he's in bed with a buxom blonde. The Dow Jones says that she's fourteen and he knows that because he dated her last year. Right Right And also there's a lot of jokes at the expense. Says Miss Oglethorpe about how she's a man on a how a man they would make similar texted market too much. Actually they really didn't make fun Jennifer for looking Manley. They would occasionally make fun of her for being sort of matronly like not being like a young hot thing or whatever in the I know. That groucho groucho occasionally. When he was next Margaret Dumont after she talked those only now and then that wasn't like a constant thing? Just say that this film brain donors is a typical far right. I mean typical farce. It's a type of dumb movie. That sucker brothers brought brought into vogue with airplane. I think before airplane so this this type of movie is an old school type of Jokey joke movie like Marx Brothers. Right which the world you kind of got tired of. I mean early Woody Allen Movies have an aspect of this but in smaller doses and then airplanes showed up in nineteen eighty the. NFL was just chock full of these type of silly jokes yet. Like the joke per minute rate in airplane is off Saint Arts Yeah same with brain donors. I lots of Jones. Airline is a joke pretty much. Yeah and like this is in these brothers model even though their names are not on it and they bailed on the movie or whatever it's inspired by them and I think that's why people don't like it like it just feels old. It feels like an older type of humor. You know just like two years later dumb and dumber would come out and that is a farce but mean dumb and dumber is a deliberately really silly movie with lots of jump jokes but it still looks like a modern in movie. The pace is like more relaxed. They do have a plot in dumb and dumber Jim Carey is insane. But Jeff Daniels els is like more muted and like calm. This one is dislike wall to wall insanity and so if you compare those two dumb and dumber you know it credible huge smash that that everybody loved bringing I love. The owners is nothing it makes me love it more. I guess so like the story setup of a widow with a dowry behind her right and yeah characters trying to charlatan character Earth's going in this adventure I think. Yeah like that story story line has been used over and over and maybe the audience will start when they sai can even use other. Jim Carrey movies to compare it like. There's two pet at detective. Show this to ace Ventura pet detective movies. I one was big hit and it's a dumb movie on purpose. It's like super stupid as aged badly sadly but but it like but it was a hit and then ace Ventura to when nature calls came out and it is a Marx brothers. Brothers style. Movie where there's a Butler in it. Who is like always like home saying and like huffing and puffing over aces antics and there's a rich person who's tra- ACIS trying to con amount of money and that would be didn't do great like when nature calls it didn't do great like people don't like a movie if it feels old even if it's done well but the hines brothers? Do we were really on board with brain donors and made us watch the march brothers which is crazy. It's like getting into the Beatles. Titles because you hear the monkeys and you're like these beetles. I really liked the monkeys. Do you think the movie brain would benefit from having musical numbers. Probably not probably think so. I I didn't see it having decent. I mean it might be nice to have like a break right. There was one musical number in it. Right ballet the Capella want. Not The the When they're in jail? Yeah Oh right yes. Yeah maybe occasional Marx brothers movies had had them right like the early. Once they had musical they had musical monier. They'll have musical numbers because they the Marx brothers were originally big on Broadway and so the first Marx brothers movies like animal animal crackers was like a hit Broadway play the adapted into a movie and they kept some of the songs. There was fewer songs in the movie in the play. And they're all GONNA. It was a play work right like even the movies versions they are all based in research and filmed in your coconuts filmed in Queens The First Marx brothers movie coconuts is like just sort of okay. It's probably good. Partly bad animal crackers is all great I think I don't yeah I don't know I don't know what I say this movie I mean I I think it would need a fundamental shift like it's just everything is dumb the whole time and I think people get tired of it go and maybe if the underlying boiler I look I disagree with those people movie. I loved this movie. I'm glad to hear it like I looked up rotten tomatoes score just today I had never checked it and like the critic scores something like forty three percent. There's only I think six or seven reviews there to begin with. I mean it wasn't even out that long but then the audience scores like eighty six percent on rotten tomatoes. And I'm like that does make sense. I think it's like more fun to watch than it is like truly a good movie like you can't call it a good movie. I love it and I. I'm sure I don't feel like I can't can't call good movie but I do love it. It's definitely Corny as all get out. I mean I can't excuse it but TURTURRO's Groucho was really impressive to me. I would just be so interested to find out how he ended up in those. You said Alec Baldwin turned it down Bob Nelson the guy who played jock. The HARPO character was like kind of a big stand up and he was a real goofy. Stand up I remember seeing him on stand up specials at that time and he was just like miss stuff is really aged badly but he would like he. He had a whole football players routine where you have like a tight red shirt on the two balloons and he would like put the balloons on his shoulders to be like shoulder pads and then do a variety Heidi of football characters and then move them into his chest into a variety of female characters. And like when I was twelve or whatever he's a genius search and older pads joke is in the movie right like he takes his shoes and he is in the audience he takes us. It puts him in the shoulder. Yeah he's got Bob Nelson he's making it work Looks like he's David Byrne League suit yet. There's a lot of stuff in the movie that I found out later was taken from Marx brothers movies like when the ballet starts and graduate comes up with the microphone. Pfizer comes up with the microphone. And he's like sort of a announcer for sports announcer for the ballet. They like they did that in. Duck Soup for a court case and The duck hunting thing was in from a march with his movie I think. And when they rip up the blank contract into several small shreds and they're split and that's their way of splitting the salary amongst themselves. But everybody's trying to rip each other often that that's that's a version of Marx brothers routine speaking up the audience in the theatre that is watching the ballet performance was it was interesting to me that the way the writers went was all they are going to be on board but not super on board with how it's going like there's a version of this film with the audience is like this is even better than just the regular ballet dialects defended and at some point they get up and they're ready to leave because of all the shenanigans. It is the they love. It's seems like they love everything until volare throws up and they're instantly supercenters. Then they see the two star crossed lovers perform and by the way. They're not gonNA dance like they're okay. Okay Ballet Dancer there as it was good though. Yes yeah this topic they stop sit down and they watch and it has to be a huge success. Success this yes yes miss. Oglethorpe even says we're a hit based on how the audience received that finale Ari really liked claymation part of this movie. Will I loved it at the time but claymation was all the rage when this movie came out it was like nobody could get over a claymation like think they loved it in their California reasons commercials. They loved it in. PSA's What do they call those Public service announcements sesame street episodes like claymation was just all the rage in America cannot get enough of it right. The movie started. Why is this in here? Because this certainly isn't what the Marx Brothers did. Not a lot of claymation in a night at the Opera Day at the races but You know it's it's very goofy. Have you seen that of the opera databases. Data's I've I've only seen duck soup. Same here actually. Ducks is probably the most modern one. That probably makes sense. I I believe the reason that I've seen it is because it's one of Roger Ebert S- quote unquote the great films that series. where he would write? I love to all time famous but animal crackers like a little better. Because it's stranger. I mean we weirdly the thing that makes animal crackers probably less movies. What makes me like it more like? There's this as long takes a camera. Completely locked. Off An animal crackers and huge pauses between lines filmed the play basically and they didn't necessarily speeded ended up. And it makes it weird and I love it and Margaret Dumont line readings in animal. Crackers are insane. They ask her how she's doing. How do you feel Mrs Whatever? Her name is written house and she goes. I am fascinated. But it's like it's a fascinating she said asked how you were like you. Just say good or or something so I think we're learning that most people probably didn't see this bill. This film was no one knows about it. US brain donors like your boyfriend had heard of it. Sasha I'm that's Amazing Heat Hazardous Twenty Times. According to him. I mean he probably seen the tent. Is I just know. He tends to exaggerate eight. It wasn't I don't think it was ever on cable lakes that he says it should be. Oh maybe ran an HBO. But what are the reasons. Why only seen it twice? It just doesn't come up like on television unlike dumb and dumber for example. That movie just plays a lot on television like you just casually run into dumb and dumber. You don't casually ran into. Brain donors rented intimate online for money to buy it. Yeah you have to buy for like twelve or thirteen bucks. Yes so now I own enjoy. Luckily I have you ever met anyone who is a fan of this. Is Jay Boyfriend. The first person who even has heard heard of it. No one's heard this movie. Mike current crop of comedy friends are all like ten years younger than me. Basically and ninety two is just before they were watching coaching. Every dumb comedy that came out if the equivalent dumb movie that came out in nineteen ninety eight. All my current friends would I got fingered is a movie that all of my comedy friends. Let's have seen whether they like it or not. They they know Freddy got fingered and that movie was not that big in June last that long. Yeah that's probably a pretty good comparison. I mean forget like a finger is bigger than brain donors but not like a lot bigger and I don't know man. We saw that we would see in the theater and then the next last week it was gone. We couldn't believe it's already like it wasn't that bad but also there was nobody in the theater and we went to see it like yes. There was no marketing behind ended. But there wasn't going to be strong word of mouth. Do you see this. Excuse me do you see this being remade today or version of this film made may today. I can't imagine it. Whatever in any comedy sketches myself in the style the bomb so hard people do not like this style anymore really bums me? Ask about S. specific as you. Can't Dan do genre slash style of this company right because we always afars. We know there's a lot of slobs that going on there. Anything else that you'd like we know it's crazy number. We've jokes per second rate. How else would you describe this style? I think it's like I. It's easy to explain why it doesn't work anymore I guess the style is fast talking con man who is supposed to be smart and charming getting the best of everybody through like lots lying and cowardly acts and she's Groucho Marx raise Groucho Marx. It's Bob Hope it like it's been replaced by like Bill Bill. Murray is kind of once bill. Murray came along. This seemed out of date like grouches the original and he was great at it and huge star because of it and then like Bob Hope came along Bob Hope was kind of like doing a version of Groucho the coward and the Liar. He was kind of a different but like it was in the the same mold and the same kind of crazy dumb jokes and Bob hope will they look at the camera. Lot make jokes right to the audience. You know if you watch the Bob Hope Bing crosby movies he's but it was. It was right in line with Groucho early. Woody Allen and a woody Allen is now bad personnel talk about but like back when he was a successful comedian he was very much Groucho Marx. Bob Hope Style Coward Liar and then Bill Murray came along and was like a kind of cool operator and Michael Keaton and they like replaced it. It's like oh now you can't be yet to be sort of good looking and Kinda cool and you can't be too desperate and you also can't be that like mean to women talkable eligible you'll huckabee. You're you're more charming and like you're you're you're you have a family probably and so all of a sudden the old archetype is gone now and it like Jim Carey came close to kind of doing the sort of things again but he he also has probably missed more more than he's hit like when he hits hits so big but even by the time liar liar came out people. Were like getting tired of like Jim. Carey's noise I ran the right at least at least among cool like a hip comedy fans or whatever so this is kind of like an old school Bob Hope Groucho Marx loud fast. Ask Talk in smarter than you. Other people aren't even noticing that you're making joe you know the part of ghostbusters. Where they're the ghostbusters are meeting with the mayor? And the mayor wants to end the ghost. Swarming over Manhattan in the mayors. Like what's going on out there and Dan Accurate says while we had all the ghosts contained in our unit until Nicholas. Here shut down. The system in the mayor goes is this true and Bill Murray goes. That's true. This man has no Dick. Remember the part that was like a little bit of like a Groucho moment in the movie the and Groucho. Just does that every time. He opens math. Every line. He says is led has no Dick is this man has no Dick. And it's like kind of smarter than you clever little. Whatever it gets people don't like that much of that? I think are always subject punchline. Right like they're just like oh I fucked her and like Oh what a little slut arms and you know and I think like I can't explain why that ever worked but I don't know I don't know like people it's sort of like you know my the old ball and chain here the the comedy troupe of like the Hen pecked little man and the Bossie wife screaming at him. The idea of that little hen pecked man saying something wise back to her was hugely popular. But I'm telling you when I was growing up in Siberia. That stereotype was still pretty mainstream. Yeah in comedy and comedy. Yeah like just see movies from like the sixty seventies eighties nineties like it was still happening quite a bit. I mean it's still. You know like that was an aspect of everybody loves Raymond Edmund Version of it always just kind of adapt to the Times in terms of how harsh how soft married with children. You know. There's always like the husband has been calm. Even the simpsons has little bits of it. I mean it's a much sweeter version but you know march trying to keep her husband in line. I have to say that Just before this recording watching the clips. Because I haven't seen duck soup in a while and watching a bunch of clips of Marx brothers and I was recognizing the same type of humor as we're talking about brain donors. I was not connecting nearly as much with the more brothers others with Groucho as I was with brain donors wanting i. I can't lie and say that it has nothing to do with the time difference right so I believe from Nineteen Thirties. I think it is quite a bit of a distance for me and I think I'm not doc mushroom comedy nerd or Hollywood nerd. Hollywood phil really appreciate movies from dot far back even comedy from Dadfar back like I need need something a little closer to me. I like my boyfriend. He loves persons surges. Keith watches movies all day long. If right right I like cool. I like it okay. You like it all right. I like it all right but I'd much rather not wash that. There's actually like setups like farce usually usually don't appeal to me. In fact I think the brain donors is an exception as to why. I really responded to this type of humor. I I think it's because the absurd parts of it. This slapsticky like sort of like pulling out a giant hammer out of nowhere. Yeah or like I don't know like just like overshadowed the meanness the nurse or the coldness maybe none of humor the fast talking fast fast talking man. I don't know when you watched that's really interesting to me when you watch the monks brothers clips today do you. Did you see a fair amount of both Groucho. Bits and Harpo bits. I wish mostly Groucho. 'cause it because I think that from from what you're saying would would do better with you because this is interesting Harpo sweeter and Nice. His jokes generally weren't mean They were super the visual. His physical comedy's pretty incredible and I don't think Russia works without Harpo to balance them out and she goes basically like a non entity in these movies. Greg Marshall Defensive. Probably get me for that but he makes some puns and you probably need him for pacing but like nobody quotes Chico. Joke you quote Groucho and Harpo bits. They were the two heavy lifters of the Marx brothers humor and totally different. Yeah Chico was the oldest and then Harpo is the next. Oldest and Groucho was the youngest dominant seventh. One Who died at seven months of age. I didn't know it's you don't make it be but I mostly. I'm mostly responded to actually grouch jokes though and brain donors like I really loud when he said again like I probably brought her up when he said I knew Larry when. Here's pretty good. Valeri and yeah yeah how he says when he was pretty good. It's a joke to me. It's very stupid. Also how he says it delivery every is so amazing. It's like how you say the technique behind it is a lotta times gets caught catches my eye and I have to go like ten times as watch it over and over Hari Dude at this line is not just funny but insanely funny. I don't know I don't know man like I did not connect this morning too old Marx Marx brothers clips. But thank you for trying. I tried yeah I wanted to come in prepared. No that's that's nice of you I think my My brother Kevin. And so I I do Improv at the theater and my brother Kevin who saw brain owners with me does Improv at the theater in New York and so he and I have been like. I don't know we have shared a lot of the same comedy influences growing up and stuff like that. We don't want that by five or seven years apart from his five years younger than me and deadly we we left brain donors and whenever we would like a certain type of farcical movie like Zucker brothers movie like top secret or this old woody Allen movie called love and death that we both love or old marched with his movies like animal crackers and horse feathers. Nobody else liked them like he and I both liked him and I think our youngest brother like them too but normal people. We'd be like Oh. Did you ever see Animal crackers like Yakup Board. I turned it off Jesse love and death and this is before we all hated ellen ever see Levin desolate that. I can't get into that movie. That's just too stupid. I was like man for some reason that would be lights me on fire and An animal crackers and brain donors to enter their brain. VINTNERS is more similar to airplane than it is to animal crackers even though it's borrowing ninety opera even though it's based on night at the opera the pacing and stuff it yeah. Do you like the movie airplane. I do like airplane and top secret or the other brothers movies or can't remember top-secret seen it sure naked gun is a lot of fun. Yeah what about National National Lampoon like. I mean that's also farcical. Yes like vacation yea should exactly yeah or weaken birdies. Let's Yes yes we can burn us is very. I think we get Bernie's closer to brain donors than other things we can produce is pretty big people like that movie and I as far as like more contemporary embrace stuff I think the the work of the members of the state kind of carries on sometimes. Yeah the state would use some of that hot American summer has the kind of like arbitrariness that well. This is interesting. Also burn after reading. All right is yeah I WANNA I. I wonder what it would. There's elements of it and brother were up thou Hessel MC slapsticky parts. I wonder like if the Cohen Brothers tried to do a march for this movie. What it would be like like I think it would be good and like better than this? But it wouldn't be that that different it would just have that Cohen Brothers twenty twenty percent attention to detail that would make something different. But I don't know I don't know I guess have you guys seen the Lady Killers Cohen's version. That was so great it does it. I guess it's closer to this than yeah you're right you're right. That is a good example like farcical and Cillian in Lake. Big Characters didn't work right like it's okay. It's okay right. I don't think it's as bad as people WANNA shout that it is is but it doesn't fully work. Yeah I've sort of a confession by we go a confession to make. Have you guys ever seen over malarial with twelve off chairs. No you don't know what it is right. So it's in Russia or Soviet Union. It's like a a masterpiece considered to be masterpiece of comedy any And it's a novel that's been made into a film quite a bit. WASHOUT WANNA say times. Okay and I think it's like one of my most favorite works of literature and I'm quite a reader especially Russia literature the Tama grop reading a lot and the premises not different. Like I think there's something dodgy about brain donors for me because I love twelve chairs and we'll chairs set in very very much post. Russian Revolution Provincial Russia where a man who used to be rich and popular he. Small town is now works at the registry of marriages and Deaths and he's very bored and then he learns from his mother-in-law who's dying he's a widow of this man and his mother-in-law tells him that she put her expensive jewelry. She sewn it into one of the twelve chairs that she no longer knows where there's twelve shares are like. They were sold at an auction or something like that and so he has to chase this treasure but he does together with a very fast talking walking Groucho Marx. Like twenty some year old handsome womanizer. All Stop Bender and the dot character like always felt so much affinity for like. He's the reason like I would always be a rogue Indian D- like I just love that persona somebody who it can charm your pants off but he also I don't know like he's chasing something so banal as you know money and he's he's also broke and he probably grew up with no parents. I don't know there's just very interesting character. And so he's constantly making fun of this stock up person who used to be so rich and now he has also nothing together this together they chase. This treasure is very fascinating book. Twelve chairs by Elf and Gainey Petrov. And I remember when I started dating a ten or eleven years ago. I told them to read this book. Like if he wants to date kind of and he read it and he was like. That's pretty great so I don't know I think if you love Comedy this translate well actually in English because I recently we read it in English. And it's pretty awesome. Yeah well chairs so I don't know. Brain donors appeal to me like I love a rich widow does off off out of sorts sports like I just love those characters. They're really appeal to me and the somebody's taken advantage of somebody those. I think there's something in me that it unfortunately probably causes a lot of trouble in my everyday life of really disliking people who live by the rules who believe in money the WHO believe win every day like gold stars you know the sheep. Oh all right I like I much rather deal with somebody. Who is I mean or mass? But they have something unique about them or they're connected to dreams or interests that they're truly Lee low themselves like as opposed something the society tells them to do. I don't know it makes me want to check out twelve chairs freaking great dude. Yeah I'll stop bender with his long scarf life and so in that sense I immediately connected to brain donors and I was very happy to find out that now I own this movie and I can watch it over and over. We'll do you think if brain donors came to the general attention to the public. Do you think now in twenty nineteen people will go for it. I I wish they would if I could help. I would like it to be true. You are helping. I could do something you are doing. I would expect it to not work because the things that I like. The most are never beloved by the general public. I'd say like the Beatles Spiderman. These things are fringe niche tastes. Most people don't grab onto leaving the margin of society ready to really. Yeah you gotta be a week like the like a real interesting free real interesting Weirdo. She would go to a rating. This thing Yeah let's do it. Sasha one let's let's hear about your experience should be pretty easy. I already described how much you're freaking. Brain donors yeah. So if National Lampoon or airplane are at nine or ten okay on the scale. I'll put this movie a happy eight. Wow I I think you rated higher than I do. I think I would give it a seven and it's mostly that it's unknown that I that I feel like it's underrated. What's intended for you? Yeah Yeah airplane. Ten and a animal crackers system out of my. I would put airplane at a ten. Also I would maybe put this More to six six stephen is a six kind of guy for six. That's my pocket twos. Dude I ain't now all the way up Don L. You know I I really enjoyed all the jokes. I don't know if I what you were talking about before. How it's more like airplane than it is like Marx brothers movies? I think that I think that what I was thinking about while I was watching it Each of these men is trying to fill the role of you know the Marx Brothers replicating and I think two zero is the most successful but also it never very rarely in the movie. Do the three of them Mesh together. Yeah you know. They don't really doing it separately. Yeah you know. Aside from the very foreseen where they're all together and and I guess the doctor seen everything else is pretty much like each of them doing their individual Pitt but those pieces are funny and I do. I did enjoy watching it so yeah I think I would put it right out of six. Six seven eight. Stephen is there anything from last week. That you thought was underrated. Got Got on your radar. Yeah you know I in watching this movie it made me think about a kind of farcical movie from the ninety s that I love love Nineteen Ninety seven's the wrong guy Starring Dave Foley. Yeah another great one. He's he's an unassuming A dumb guy who is worried that he people are GonNa think that he killed someone he he walks on a man who is dead and he's concerned that people we're going to think he killed the guy and so he goes on the run even though no one actually thinks that old and it's a really funny movie I always enjoy. I love that movie too. You I'm going to recommend twelve chairs by Ilya L. and you've Guinea patrol will. Is there anything you'd like to plug. Well we we set up a fort my podcast that they do with my brother. I'm trying to get people that. Check it out if you're a comic book fans career we're just gonNA talk about comics. We are focusing on the fantastic four from the nineteen he's sixties. We're doing an insane and insane exploration and it's what's crazy how we're doing it but we're doing twenty episode look at the nineteen sixties version version of the fantastic four that we really love and then we'll do other comic books after that said like to put that in also my twitter will hines W. I l. l. h. i.. N. ESL ESL sometimes affected very arrogant persona. That I enjoy me may not buy it. You may not think it's true so just keep an eye on it. If you're into fake arrogance thank you Elizabeth Salute for Art Than Cue to Andrew Hayworth. Whose upstairs right now for theme music and thank you for listening?

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Terror Train - A Podcast Preview

Now Playing - The Movie Review Podcast

15:18 min | 3 years ago

Terror Train - A Podcast Preview

"Well. Support. I don't know that I just don't know. Dead. Or so anybody said did that. Everybody we tell them. Hello again. This is Brock once again. I'm here to tell you about our exciting. Fall donation platinum level series. Jamie Lee Curtis is returning to Halloween conic role forty years after she originated with the brand new hollowing movie that Stewart I and aren't going to be reviewing as part of the regular feet of now playing and Tien, Jamie. These return we're going to be looking at her early career, Jamie Lee, Curtis of courses had won the longest and most successful careers. Hollywood in recent memory spending, four generations of fans who were for all sorts of different kinds of roles, but it all started with Halloween nineteen seventy eight John carpenter before she reinvented herself time, and again, she made her first as a scream Queen because after Halloween was released. She did three additional horror movies released in nineteen eighty the fog, prom night and territory and store Arnie night will be reviewing all three of these movies. As a thank you to our platinum level donors, I'll get into how you can become a platinum level donor in a minute. But first. Here's a preview of our review of terror train. Gone with the wind that is how they set out to make this. This was going to be the most epic slasher of all time. And indeed for the Aira it is the most expensive the most lavishly funded at a budget of two point seven million no-one had dared to throw that much money at John right before. I mean that price tag alone is more than the budget of Halloween Friday the thirteenth and prom night combat. This was going to be everything you ever wanted. Oscar winning actors the editor for Sam Peckinpah making his direct to'real debut Stanley Kubrick cinematographer, a handsome stage magician that was shooting new TV specials of male lead of best picture nominee breaking away. And yes, the scream Queen of nineteen eighty Jamie Lee Curtis. How could it go wrong? Can I get my money back for just buying the DVD? The fact that there's not a sequel the fact that you don't associate a Groucho Marx mask with horror. I actually do. But that's for other reasons, it's an early indicator anyway that maybe for all of their ambition. They missed the Mark by actually mile yet you say gone with the wind. I've heard of gone with the wind. You told me we were doing terror train. I'm like what the fuck is territory. I am into horror. I have never heard of terror train. I've never seen it come up on television. It's never come up in conversation until Stuart put it on the list. I was like oblivious that it existed at when you told me I'm like, well, all right? I know what this is it's going to be murder on not an Orient Express. But some express it came out towards the end it was October third nineteen eighty when it finally hit the that had a major studio behind it releasing it fireworks wanted in on the game. Fox's only slasher film ever. Why would they? Want to make the gone with the wind of the slasher genre? What would be the impetus for doing something like that? Well, what I can tell you is that Hollywood producer Daniel Grodno Vic had a weakened of back-back viewings of Halloween and silver streak, which is a Richard Pryor, gene wilder comedy on a train not horror movie eight-year-old me recommends it now I remember being really good their best film together better than stir. Crazy, I actually prefer seeing hear no evil, but that's a different podcast respective. Yeah. Well, he thought why got mash it up he called up producer, sandy Howard who was known for exploitation films like angel and avenging angel and the Sean Connery disaster movie meteor like he's not above flashers. And so he pitched it they liked it. But the problem was grad Nick wasn't Canadian and the way to get again, gotta take it to Canada and get all these Canadians involved. And so he was just relegated to executive producer. Even though this is really his baby. And whatever originality there is to this thing. It all came from him. And he was the one that again thought that you know, we can't make a great film out of slasher by its very design slashers or kind of wrote and silly. But if we throw talent at it, we can really impress. And that was what they went after they wanted the best in all departments. The thing that I liked is. He was also a friend of John carpenter's, and he had the respect of going to John carpenter and saying I want to make Halloween, but one hundred train and got carpenters blessing. So he's ripping off the horror master with the horror masters complete approval. And I wanna point out. This is a real train. They didn't build this on some sounds as they actually called some owner of a locomotive in Vermont and said, can you get it a Montreal and put it in a warehouse? They didn't go anywhere in it. It is more or less filmed on a sound stage. But it is an actual functional train and that made it all kinds of challenging cinematographer said I had to totally rewire this thing because as you can imagine tight spaces. You got a light it. For a movie, it's why this movie is so dark as they just couldn't get lights in and hide them. But it was a technical challenge. And they spend every bit of that two point seven million dollars to do it. They got nothing for all that work. I thought that this had to have been filmed on some sound stage. I wouldn't have cared if it was filmed on a sound stage. I love trading places. I've never questioned if they were on a real train at the end. So I would rather have a well lit movie that wasn't actually on a wheeled vehicle. Yeah. I don't understand why you filming on an actual train. You can't even tell me. Yes. It was kinda neat authentic with the cabins and the bunk beds with curtains and all that jazz. But Arnie's, right. I mean, we seen so many movies on trains. You can never tell. I was impressed. When the two guys were the coal guys. We're talking to the conductors fairly early in the movie and everybody was shaking moving around like the run Star Trek when things go weird like, wow, look, go isn't really shaking. It's pretty kinda cool. Good for them for putting in sync. And neither telling me it's because damn. Train was actually moving that the actually when they shot that scene. It's amazing. They couldn't go far again. They're in a warehouse on track. Sometimes they was moved a little, but sometimes they just had gripped shaking back and forth, but they were trying to go for something authentic. They didn't have a lot of time. The money was going to run out at the end of nineteen Seventy-nine. They had thirty days. They started in November. They ended right before New Year's Eve, and as you can imagine Montreal this time was very cold. If it looks like that snow is freezing. It's because these cast they were in hell, it was absolutely freezing on this that and they just had to rush through it in order to get it done because otherwise though funding would be gone. And in fact, I heard they ran slightly over but somebody covered like half mill, but we're here for Jamie Lee Curtis. Obviously, this is the capper each film. I think has told us something about what she learned. If the fog was her reconnecting with the people that made her famous and prom night was her. Her stepping into her own and becoming a star. This was the film that made her decide I don't need to do this anymore. She called herself to other people on the screen Queen. But I'm actually the Queen of crud. I'm making bad films, and this needs to be my last one I need to find a way out of this John raw. And so that's what this was going to be. She had already signed to do this while shooting prom night before she had gone back and done those last minute fog re-shoots. It was her biggest payday she got eighty thousand dollars to do it. And she was put up in a nice hotel with David Copperfield and drag performer Garrick McKinnon who plays the killer in this film. And she said I was treated well, and I was working with really experienced Americans as well as Canadians and that made this much more pleasant shoot than prom night. I'm sure we'll talk more about this at the end. But it should be said after this. She still had one more around in the chamber for Halloween too. Yeah. There are two or films. We will talk about in her screen Queen TR. That were made in eighty one. I'll talk about those at the end. But as far as nineteen eighty goes this was her starting to prepare to say goodbye and pass that baton to someone new maybe camp. So Arnie how about a guess out of the station with a plot summary? Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation, go to now playing podcast dot com and click on the banner at the top of our homepage where you can find all the information about how you can donate to now playing fall twenty eighteen winter twenty nineteen donation drive, as you know, we have a new free show every week now playing podcast dot com. But without our donation drives we could not keep that going. We are backed only by donations from listeners like you as our thank you for your donations. We have bonus podcasts, and we have a variety of different levels of which you can donate to our show. 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MFM Minisode 233 - The Great Outdoors

My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

30:31 min | Last month

MFM Minisode 233 - The Great Outdoors

"I this is exactly right. Don't miss the new peacock. Original documentary event epsteins shadow. Glenn maxwell this chilling three hour series investigates the powerful connected and mysterious maxwell once heiress to the maxwell fortune her life took a sort turn when she met serial sex offender jeffrey epstein and now you can get up to speed with the details of her case before her upcoming trial every episode of epstein shadow glenn maxwell is streaming now only on pico sign up at peacock tv dot com to get started goodbye. Hi hello and welcome to my favorite murder hometown. Many so addition twenty eighteen right where we read you back your stories from your home towns or whatever something like that at this point it's just all over the place it's branched off into so many lake the branches of mighty oke on in every direction You can send us. You could send us home time about how you stick your razor blades into an old fashioned near thing in your bathroom and they go into a wall and we might read it because we're interested in. Yeah as well as hidden rooms and as well as your cousins best friend who was murdered. We want to know about the fucked up shit in your life right to a degree. Are you ready for this one. I'm right because that subject line is you're right. If you walk your dog in the woods you'll come across a dead body. No hello ladies parentheses and stephen first of all i have to say that i'm a huge fan of both of you. I knew it would happen to me. The instant moved to a small town got a big dog. She gets right into it. Or he hel- it's the beginning of every law and order episode ever as right. My husband and i started taking one hundred. Twenty pound. Dog is more than just kidding. Why that's more than i. The dog's name groucho marx. By the way amazing. I'm on love it. That's made for georgia. Yes on lovely walks in the woods the day it happened. It was a beautiful snowy. New year's day we decided to take the pup on a walk pup on a walk up a back wooded trail karen lost karen already. That is unless it's a newfoundland. I wonder if it is That leads to a local park. I'm just saying it's not a puppy. A humongous right kind of dog is it. I need to know okay. This would've trail runs parallel to the missouri river and is beautiful and scenic and right next to a scary ass check And we dubbed the murder shack everyone else gets shacks and we don't get them here in california I think that that the second. There's a shack someone throws in some linoleum and they're like. Hey rents one hundred one thousand million hundred fifteen dollars. Get three roommates move into this shack. Okay we start off. The walk is always an after a fashion. We let the dog off leash to stretch his dog legs. Wouldn't you know old boy instantly leaves the path and runs on over to the murder shack. Being a couple of fools decided to follow him and embark on our own little. Scooby doo adventure style. Adventure i round the corner to find my dog rooting around the remnants of a campfire instantly. The idea hits me that we might actually come upon a hung over homeless person who would be pretty pissed of us trampling through his stuff. I grabbed the dog leash. Get him back up in the hell out of there. When i see it now about six feet from me was a body of a man face down freshly fallen snow arms by his side feet twisted around some routes. I calmly asked my husband who is looking into the window of this shack behind me. If he has his phone on him and could he please call the cops. Because that's a fucking body. Oh should be noted that some point in my panic. I actually called out to the body in a shaky voice. Hello sir hello. I'm not exactly sure what i meant to accomplish. I guess in my mind. I really wanted to make sure he was dead and knock just sleeping in the snow. I don't know i'd never come across a dead body before and wasn't exactly sure what to do. I figured i'd try the polite route. You didn't answer. We make our way back down the trail. I call the nonemergency police line. A sweet lady answered the phone and made me repeat myself a few times a body. Yes ma'am abbadi. Did you say your body before. She asked me my information. We only had to wait a few minutes before he slightly out of shape cops showed up and was visibly annoyed and having to walk through the woods in the snow. He side loudly as he asked. Well how far is it. After the affair. He took down our information on shit new. You not the back of a media com envelope small towns. That must be like direct. Tv yeah we never actually heard what happened to him because it was never in the local paper about a month later a dude in a bar with a police scanner had heard the whole ordeal it grassroots. Apparently the poor man was a known. Drug user was in rehab in and out of jail. And that's it. They have since plowed down the murder shack. Stay sexy don't get murdered dog on a leash and if you walk the dog in the woods you will find a body. Thanks for the fantastic podcast. Jamie on my god. That's so scary. That's i mean even even if he tripped and fell and died in the snow. it's horrifying. Yeah it's horrifying like that thing of like for people like us and we're like in the woods about i'll find the body and then it actually happens. Totally different story has to be so jarring and like surreal and frightening. Yeah i feel like very quickly. After i realized that's what was happening. I would be convinced killer was standing. Nonemergency line can like running massive emergency. Lionel there yeah. I know holy shit i know well. Are you ready for our dads on the body and almost peed on it so someone will then lately. Okay hi my sister. And i are loyal followers. Longing for each new podcast. Here's our hometown murder. Her dad is a veteran policeman now. Retire in pueblo. Colorado in december nine are elderly. Great aunt called dad worried about her friend. Lucille paerson missing after not returning home from a local shopping trip. We knew something was up. Because dad was avoiding her questions. He usually spoke pretty freely. Dad was avoiding probably are questions. Spoke pretty freely. Lucille had been caring for a teenage grandson. Who some issues and no one felt. It was a good situation. The grandsons friend agree to help in the investigation. And this led police to some private property south west of town dab on tier to go up the hills to help with the search because he had four wheel drive. They spent a couple of days drained a little pond and searched a campsite. They found firing some small pieces of scorched skull. But nothing they could. Test dna for healy as the sun was setting the last day. Dad broke off from the group to relieve himself before the long drive home just then he looked down and saw displaced rocker. He was about to pee. It was lucille's pelvis and her heart was lodged inside what wait what exclamation mark. Does someone put it there. I don't know he almost pinned on. What was left of her body lotion horrifying now. They had the physical evidence to prosecute the grandson and his friend for murdering dismembering and burning the body of my aunt's friend. Recently we learned dad was the one to find her and it was actually kind of funny how he shared inglorious detail. How close he was to urinating on this poor woman. Sometimes you just gotta laugh. I didn't say that's she wrote that. St gm phoebe and laurel your favorite murdering us. Oh well we never talk about that that that is the lake. It is pretty horrifying that cops their jobs. Yeah whereas like our job is to like read these things and the funny say funny things to each other whatever. Their jobs are to go and experience. The worst that humanity has to offer repeatedly defined evidence. That people are the worst fucking things in the goddamn fucking where you've got to go out of your mind without humor. Yeah and you have to like and also just looking like they're looking for they know they're looking for a dead body walking around looking for the scariest thing you could find if they don't find it to monsters probably will just live the rest of their lives free so like buying they'll get shot on. So you gotta have you got you gotta like able to tell some stuff at the dinner table right or you probably like. Drink yourself to death harlem. Oh man go ahead. Law enforcement yes. You'll finally have our commission. You've been waiting for all this time. Be light hearted and family now. The subject line of this one is my grandpa killed. Someone the fishing pond pervert. Good evening this is my hometown but this is not my story. This is the story of the time. My mom saw her dad. Almost kill a pervert. My parents grew up on the south side of chicago where nature is hard to come by besides a few of the nastiest and most likely radioactive fishing ponds. You've ever seen or smell wanting to teach his young children some outdoor skills. My grandpa would take my mom and her brothers and sister to go fishing in the ponds when they were maybe five through eight years old. They went almost every weekend but But soon those innocent fishing trips turn dark when a mysterious old creep would reportedly find my eight year old mom and tried to lure her into his car with promises of is cream. God he after a horrific incident where he reveals himself to my baby angel mother. She used her murdering. Oh instinct and told my grandpa about the pervert. My grandpa angry and horrified found the man by his car grabbed him by the neck. Held him there for about two minutes and shouted. If you ever come around here again. I will fucking kill you now. It may not seem that crazy of punishment to whoever would do a gross into child but from my extremely old fashioned devout irish catholic family shit was real when grownups dropped the notorious f word. Am i right. Karen yes. You're right anyway. The fishing pond pervert was sufficiently scared to death and was never seen there again. My grandpa is a common mild-mannered man. But if you fuck with his kids he will fucking kill you Thank you for helping me through the absolute darkest and most lonely time of my life. I was suffering severe workplace sexual harassment. When i found the podcast two years ago. Your bad ass riot girl. Attitudes and humor have inspired me to fuck politeness and get justice for my harassment. Go to therapy and to kick off my comedy career. I hope we can cross pass someday. A oh my god. that's incredible. Yeah wow yeah well well done got asked us runs in your family. It sounds like yeah okay. would you have long. Okay get in here. But it's funny digging here around comfy. So this is from brendan brendan be his photo. Is very sassy me email says. hi georgia. Because he's just to my email address on. Roy my friends are big. Fans your podcast. Listen at work blah. My best friend told me. I had to email you at first. I thought like. I have nothing to say. Then i remember back in two thousand six. I had one of the most of my life. It's a story. I've told over drinks a lot but i love to stretch it out. Let's see here. i'm like brandon. I'm the same way that a story that would take a normal person three minutes to tell it'll take me fifteen and people love it and use dress it up and you flourish and you add. John harlison podcasters. You pause you. You're just you maintain attention for as long as humanly possible. Your fucking storyteller. That's that's good all right. It was probably around summertime. And i was still a smoker so this was a long time ago as i can't remember the last time i bought cigarettes. This guy who. I had a huge crush on. Who now in retrospect probably only wanted to be just good friends was kind of a sporty guy. He liked to hike and rock climbing and other such stuff like you do when you're obsessed with someone you pretend like you like those things too. Yep that's right. Oh that sounds like. I would never nightmare dating a sporty person. I had lived through it for five years. I'm married it. I pretended i like camping for i. It was hard to sacrifice yourself. I the first time. I told my sister i was going camping. Adrian just fucking turn on me like a goes camping. Are you kidding me camping. Yeah they knew they knew. You're trying to be someone you're not it happens. It happens from my podcast. Divorce corner guys pies. Find someone with similar things to you. Don't ever pretend especially camping. Because then you're out in the dirt. But she knows annoying about hiking and biking and camping. All the shit is like you feel like you're supposed to be doing that. Feels like the vegan like. Yeah i should have always wanted to newish ago vegan. I know i should hike more exercise more. But like if you're not that fucking personally that person also we're like i'm sorry but i will watch. I will watch twenty five movies in a row. It's what i love. I wanna talk about it. I want to make them. I wanna watch them. Some dickie walks uphill and boots isn't fucking better than you because of that you know who do you think you are be slim on the fucking ground. You know that there's room service in hotels and no snakes and no no snakes not one snake just like last time i went camping. I like slept on a yoga mat. And fucking no sleeping bag. It's rough as respite. You don't do that. Who are you trying to prove your friend. The guy you don't really are that into all right new jersey. See here got law. Sorry brandon and. I'll let you tell us about yourself. He asked me to go hiking with him one morning. And i remember i had a borough. My friends timberland boots. That looked like i knew the proper footware to wear that. Try to take hiking once on a date. And i was like and then got there and my whole like get up and then we walked and we passed the bar and i was like. Let's go drink and go drink with me work. Thank god great. We had a pretzel and we drink. Fun has no way. let's see here. We were hiking for what seemed like hours and truth be told i think i was this just there so occasionally we could mess around and make out at one point. We were scaling over a very large boulder in the middle of the woods. And when we came down there underneath was a radius thrown. I don't say this. Smarty pants memorized bones in the human body. But i do remember in high school just like everyone else. Since in science class we had a lifetime skeleton that we would use to learn the different zones of the body. I remember that the radius bone is the bone that connects the wrist to the elbow. It's not exactly something you expect to see in the middle of the woods but it's also unmistakable and i went through the motions of this is not real. This can't be happening. But don on us more and more that this is exactly what was happening several miles in the woods. Technically the middle of nowhere and after a little digging notice that indeed we were standing on the remains of a decomposed body was so decomposed. There was there wasn't really even a smell. And i may just and may i just note that it was not easy getting here to this place. We were i to physically push myself to get there. But mostly i did it because i was trying to impress him as we scaled rocks and jumped around the forest. Like guys two guys who liked to mess around with guys who are kind of sporty. We get it lug. You guys probably is the best the rest of the worshiping. yes why he. We know he's one of. I bet he's not dating a guy for the rest of the story is kind of a blur. Even though it took the rest of the night neither of us had a cell phone and we knew that it would probably be difficult to find a way back here at first be considered leaving just pretending like we had not discovered this always an option but the idea honestly is something i knew i would haunt me for the rest of my life. Sometimes i can't help myself. I have to do the right thing eventually. What would eventually was. He left me there with the skeleton and he found his way back to his car and he called the police buck. That had to be a rock paper scissors mama right. Yeah who back to. The car gets to save with a skeleton. Oh you're holding the skeletons hand An hour later he came back with police. And we were questions and fingerprinted. They said that somebody would be coming on to talk to us again about the situation but for now please try not to tell. Many people was honestly one of the most bizarre nights i've ever experienced that we don't find out who the person was like if no he ended at the end. But you know. I'm sorry okay. Okay yeah hey guess what karen. What's up. I'm gonna guess that of all the things that you've been missing over the past year. I bet it's the little things that you miss the most. Oh my god you're so right about that like for example making awkward eye contact across the room or meeting strangers in line. That's what we're all trying to get back to after all sa- vaccinations the most effective way to help prevent kobe. One thousand nine hundred and get back to the good times. Hey signed out where to get your covid nineteen vaccine near you at vaccines dot gov go by. Now is the perfect time to turn your cool idea into a new website. Do it wisquare space. You'll find what you need whether you're showcasing your work blogging and publishing content selling products and services announcing upcoming events. 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And this is left over from The medford hometowns for high charon. George stephen elvis mimi. Frank franken george first off. I love your podcast. Can't wait to see you in medford in october. How was it summer. Camp is a sleep away camp in western massachusetts in the middle of nowhere. We're on a mountain in the woods with the nearest town. Having one hundred and forty people in there is no cell service and so it adds an extra creepy factor. When i listen to your podcast in the dark in the woods. There are a bunch of ghosts on camp Usually they show up in the off season when the kids aren't on camp that keeps saying on camping. Oh that's like when people from the east coast. They get online yet when they're saying get in line. Yeah that's right dummies know. What about the word at there is the kitchen ghost in the director's house in the winter. The people who have lived there going back ten years have said opens. The door walks in and puts its groceries away at the same time every day. But when you walk in. There's no one there. There's also the ghost in the middle girls unit that shakes the bunk beds every few years and we'll Hang on the walls scaring a total shit out of the campers. yeah We also have The ghost called horrible hannah and she burns down a building on campus every seven years but the ghost prompted me to write. You was one from this summer in the middle boys unit in the middle of the night. When it was pouring two counselors sam and jack fake names were woken up by what they thought was one of their very homesick campers crying they decided to let him cry it out a bit and see if he would fall back to sleep until they heard him say health. They locked me out. I can't get back so they both hopped out of bed and one of them went to open the door. Sam let him in and felt him brush by him and get into bed. And both jack and sam say thank you. Sam turned on the cabin light to help the camper get back into bed and there was no camper there. No no no no. No no no. There were also no what footsteps on the ground despite the fact that have been pouring for hours. And all the other campers including homesick camper. We're fast asleep in their beds. A jack told on camp the next day and totally said he wouldn't have believed it if it wasn't for him and sam both having experienced it it didn't happen again but everyone on camp can't stop talking about it. Thank you so much for reading this. Sorry it's so long and thank you so much for being so open about mental health. I've been getting more open over the years about my mental health struggles but listening to you to talk about yours has helped me continue to talk about it and helps to end the stigma jillian an imprint disease. It's just said like jillian but spelled with a g. oh my gaza scary with children when it's ghost children who are crying. Oh ye goodbye by what happened. Why is that energy trapped in that cabin. So why is it cry. You just let it in. Now it's going gonna stick with you forever That's right until you mean. A priest okay The last one am fm crew. Hey then it starts. We're in it. We're in it last episode georgia. The hometown about the girl getting stabbed in the face by her sister. Karen talked about how kids do things just to see what happens well as a lifeguard for five years. I can definitely attest to that. I worked at a private summer camp in connecticut where the schedule would allow each camper to come into the pool for an hour a day. The kids would come over and shifts and re group by age blah blah blah. Well in in the four year old group. There was often quite a few kids who weren't strong swimmers. Shallow into the pool and usually just sit on the stairs with their legs in the water. This included one boy. One four-year-old boy by the name of the logan. Now logan was an interesting kid who despite being for the personality of an eighty year. Old man i. He asked a million questions about what it was like to be a lifeguard and often took it upon himself to inconspicuously pushed the other non-swimmers from the stairs into the pool. Just to see what would happen. And that's in quotes just to see what would happen logan. Since he himself couldn't swim. He was curious as to what would actually happen. If you ended up in over your head and on many occasions we had a ban him from the swimming for attempted drowning. No state what karma came for him. In one day as he was walking around the edge of the paw he fell in himself sinking like a rock to the bottom. I quickly jumped in and pulled him out and he was so shocked. All he kept repeating. Was i drowned. And you came in after me and pulled me up. I drowned on. No no logan was only under the water roximately three seconds so we had a shirt his mother at the end of the day that he did not sacked drown. Needless to say he never pushed another kitten will after that he learned. That's right stay sexy and teach kids just win before sending them to camp with a pool. Jill logan logan. I mean. I know that people would interpret. That is that he was homicide. I'll try but i absolutely get serious. Wanted to see what it would look like. If he fell in scary. That would be what would happen to his body. I'm going to try this and other people before they're fine. I don't want it to happen to me. Real people don't have feelings at this point. I would just like to be to make this note. Get my sister says this all the time because she is a grammar school teacher and she She one time at a at the end of school each school year. Party and look pool Standing around and looked down and there was just a kid at the bottom of the wing and fully dressed. My sister dove in and pulled this kid all my sister. My sister brought hot rollers to ireland. She is all about outfits getting ready being ready. She doesn't want to dive into the pool for any reno so when she told me that was blown out but just remember when children drown. It makes no noise. Yeah they there's no splashing there's no it it just as silent and quick so so i just think that's a very interesting detail a great. That's a great warning as summers. Right around the corner please. Be a all is and aware. There's a logan in the mix. Then you really gotta keep your eyes. Open your kid away from logan. That's our advice to you Send us your story. Murder edgy. Dot com dot. Com is the real. That's right yeah. Thanks for listening. Yes and thank you for sharing all your struggle. We love them them. Stay sexy. get murdered by elvis. Do you wanna cookie.

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A Tale Of Two Dollar Stores

The Indicator from Planet Money

09:58 min | 2 years ago

A Tale Of Two Dollar Stores

"So Cardiff Garcia. Yes. I have a couple of things to show you. I'm very excited about this. You're showing me too large full to the brim plastic bags. Yes. Okay. So these are two grocery bags from two different stores. These stores though, they have something in common ear both dollar stores. In fact, these stores are two of the biggest dollar store kind of behemoth chains in the US. There is Dollar General here in this yellow bag and in this bag their stuff from Family Dollar so dollar stores had this little retail renaissance during the economic downturn. While all the other stores will everybody else was struggling dollar stores were just killing it. But ten years later, we are in a very different economic world. And in this new world, one of these dollar store chains is thriving and one of these chains is really rough shape. This is the indicator from planet money. I'm Stacey Vanik Smith, and I'm Cardiff Garcia whose interest is piqued right now. Because not only my curious to know, which of these two dollar stores is doing great in which not. But I'm curious to know, what's inside these bags? You will not be disciplined. Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from zone when you can't be there in person zoom zoom is used by millions to connect face to face one easy platform for all your communication needs. Visit zoom online to set up your free account today. Meet happy with zoom. Support also comes from. Hello monday. A new podcast from Lincoln's at to'real team about the changing nature of work and how to get the most from Monday and your career find Hello Monday on apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Today's indicate or is a dollar, and you know, this is a powerful indicator. This idea that you would go into a store, and there would be a bunch of stuff in there that would only cost a dollar and during the great recession this meant a lot to people customers poured into dollar stores in two thousand nine Dollar General already had nearly six thousand stores today. It has about fifteen thousand stores Family Dollar was a bit smaller had roughly six thousand stores in two thousand nine now it has almost nine thousand and both stores were basically going after the same customers that WalMart targets. But these stores could go where WalMart's couldn't like in cities, for instance, New York, there is a Dollar General and Family Dollar both pretty close to where I live in Brooklyn. They also went really hard into small rural areas where the population was not big enough to support a whole WalMart superstore lake that three hours outside of Saint Louis drive down. There we go through this little town, and it's got like twelve hundred people to Family Dollar Dollar General and a little low. Grocery store. I mean, the nearest WalMart's like thirty five to forty minutes away. This is Brian Yarbrough. He's a consumer analyst at Edward Jones. When the economy slows down, they actually perform a little better because you'll see people trade down. So people will go into some of the higher price grocery stores and places, and they'll trade down into the dollar store environment. So in the teeth of the recession Family Dollar Dollar General. We're just having their moment the bad times for the economy or the good times for dollar stores. But when the recession ended, and the recovery started these stores made very different bets on how to survive during the recovery, and you can see the difference in these shopping bags that I brought back from both stores. So I up Dollar General Dollar General decided we are gonna go hard after the mini WalMart thing. They basically became a grocery store, and this makes sense, right? Because in good times and bad people always need the basics, groceries pet food detergent and dollar generals. Like, we are going to be the place where people can get cheap basics. So you can see. In here basics. Yeah. Got a got a carton of milk. Sure. Dollar General basically went hard after the grocery segment of the market. So buying Yarbrough says mall. It's convenient way home though. I need some milk or anything bread. You can be in and out in you know, two or three minutes versus, you know, go to a WalMart supercenter, and it could be a fifteen or twenty minute ordeal. That's journey. Exactly. So I went to the Dollar General store near me, and I could see all this right away. It was really nice. It was super clean and well organized, right? When I walked in. There was this big fancy. Starbucks display. They're selling some new kind of canned Espresso got you. Again. You know me. So well, that's exciting. And I got you a red bull. Just in case in case. And they had all the name brands like everything you might have on your grocery list. Chips. Ahoy the peeps. Of course. It'd be easy heaps. It's like a whole variety of things. Some of this stuff is like a treat at love it. All right. Exactly. So I spent about thirty dollars on all this stuff. You know? So the prices are good, but not super super-low, but it was very easy to navigate. It was really pleasant shopping experience that shiny yellow cards everything was organized, and then I wanna few blocks away to Family Dollar, so Family Dollar two very different tack. They went really hard on the dollar part. So after all there's a promise in the name of a dollar store. Right. And they kept this promise. But in order to keep things price low. You can't really have regular groceries. Right. You can't live like eight kinds of chips ahoy, and you know, Starbucks displays and things like that diversity, right? Like if you're enforcing the price. You're not going to be able to get everything you want for that same price and in order to keep. Prices that that low you end up having to kind of get a bunch of weird stuff. Right. Like, a hodgepodge lot of food and weird small packages very excited about this. There's this Honey nut Cheerios. That's like I like cutting Cheerios, but it's like yours. To servings or something it's like a packet bills. Have a lot of off brand stuff. Like, there's this energy drink red bull. I've got here a drink called rip it energy with a picture of a soldier holding a flag a gun in the colors of the American flag. This is like super patriotic energy, Drake. And you know, it takes the edge off of a heart afternoon card marshmallow offering marshmallows. Yeah. You also end up with this kind of grab bag of stuff that's made in India and China kind of whatever fell off the truck that week a little bit more candy holiday decorations seasonal type items galaxy allow that comes from China a lot of its discretionary nature driving people with these great deals. I mean Family Dollar brings in whatever. It can Mark down. The selection is more random. So like here is an Easter banner for you. I got to a paper crown check it out. This is my favorite purchase a skittles flavored candle handle, I know eight for my gift from me to you for your house when a glow sword. Okay, close. Yeah. I know. Yeah. We're gonna have to wear those around the office knows glasses a package of six gradu- marks knows last night with the mustache and everything six of them for a dollar. So in order to keep their prices, low Family Dollar did not invest in fancy stores the way the Dollar General did they kept overhead low, and you know, the stores as a result are a little hard to navigate I spent like three times longer in the Family Dollar store into the lots of poking around. And and honestly the experience of being in the store was a little bit unpleasant. Like, right when you walk in. This automated voice told you you were being monitored. I mean, all the stuff was just a dollar. So the deals were actually really amazing. I kinda couldn't believe all the stuff I could get for dollar so Cardiff who dollar stores to business models one chain bet on the dollar one chain bet against the dollar, which one do you think is still thriving? I'm gonna guess Dollar General. You are right. Okay. Dollar General has been killing it brought in customers with higher. Income during the downturn. And some of those customers are still customers today. They didn't leave them Dollar General has grown every single quarter. For nearly a decade. Brian Yarbrough said going upscale ish kind of paid off people like shopping there, and they like the deals so even when times got better and people could maybe afford to shop in a more expensive store. They didn't they kept shopping Dollar General because they liked it. And also because Dollar General is a big chain. They're able to get lower prices for a lot of the name brand stuff. They carry an offer better deals than like local grocery stores in rural areas or corner stores in cities Family Dollar on the other hand did not fare. So well as the economy improved people are willing to spend a little bit more on things like holiday decorations, and candy, and cutlery, and pens and skittles candles, and they wanted a more pleasant shopping experience and Family Dollar kind of went sideways again, I think when dollars was investing opening new stores updating and remodeling stores and family. Which is kind of plotting the loan. You know, I think Dollar General took a lot of market share and took a lot of customers. Now, I think, you know, Family Dollar struggling to gain those back Stanley dollar was bought out years back, and it just announced that it is going to close nearly four hundred locations totally rethink its business model, it'll probably also start to leave the dollar part behind things are probably gonna get more expensive there, which makes me a little bit sad because you know, where else are you gonna find like six Groucho Marx glasses for a dollar on the other hand if the economy goes into recession again, then maybe their fortunes will switch yet. They could be singing a happy. Tune with one dog. Purple plastic recorder that I purchased where else Family Dollar once took lessons in the report when I was a kid, but I don't I did too. Hoping I'm getting it.

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Ep. 161: Only in Texas

MeatEater Podcast

1:47:43 hr | 2 years ago

Ep. 161: Only in Texas

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Go to your app store or on X maps dot com slash hunt and save twenty percent with code meter. Visit the meteor podcast. Konate you shirtless. Verily vote bitten in my case. Underwear list? You can't predict any of this. Presented by non x hunt creators of the most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download the hunt app from the I tunes or Google play store, nor you stand with onyx. Thereby doing tonight good. Who's? I want to ask that we're going to revisit this later, but we have birthday tonight. That many people. Talk to just like if you have a birthday to say like just do one noise. Really? We need we need five of you. But it sounds like there's tons more. Okay. Let's do some do some introductions. I never even get started. We're talking about. I have a lot of anecdotes. I wanna share. And I talked about these last night, but we didn't record it. So I could talk about him again is a lot of anecdotes about you. People drinking too much. But but but I I. Yawns Patel us from meter. My name is Jesse griffis talk here. Talk talk, your talk your deal talk. Be restaurants, man. I have a couple of restaurants in Austin. Di Di da Correa cheered for Austin. Or or me? Also run a business called new school of traditional cookery where we cooperate a kind of culinary aspect into hunting and fishing offered three day trips. Custom trip stuff like that. Also wrote a cookbook called a field while game and fish cookbook. I I am Danielle. I. I wild and whole. So I am the girl who cuts up hearts and tells you how to cook it. He everybody. My name's Karl, Malcolm. I'm the regional wildlife ecologist for the forest service based out of Albuquerque, New Mexico, and my whole career is rooted in the fact that I love to hunt and fish. That's what motivated me to become a wildlife scientists, and this is this is Carl this is Carl eight that's eight th appearance on the on the show. Yeah, it's an honor. Man. I appreciate it in Carl pointed out that not only has Johnny cash spin on this stage. Also Groucho Marx we're walking in the footsteps of legends legends. So I was going to talk about but I decided not to talk about it. A bunch is the how in Houston a woman went into this. Just happened woman goes into smoke a joint you guys know this story in an abandoned house. There's a tiger hanging out. And they're in a cage. It's like I'll say that's like the most Texas thing. I've ever heard I got. So this guy worked with Brody? We're we were rounded up things though. Like just some local flavor in Brodie stumbles on I'll go ahead, and it's a little late. But is that what they mean by high fence? That's so that Texas high offense or is talking about. So. Brodie guy were Brody rounds up. This like it's like a round up of game warden activities from around the state and so game warden and vans aunt county to game wardens you from van Zandt county. If I hit on some of the of the people if you people are in these stories, please come to the stage. This. So like, you get a picture game wardens, right? They're out trying to catch poachers and stuff. These game words advancing county are going down the road, and they come across a vehicle stop in the middle of the road. So they questioned the people, and there's a there's a person who's too drunk to explain where they live which is making it hard for their designated driver to get them home. The designated driver turns out has been drinking. So the game wardens arrest, the designated driver, and the dude who can't figure out where he lives somehow has it in him to call another body to come pick them up that body shows up and he too is arrested for drinking and driving. And so moving down to I keep messing this up the Z one. How do you say it Z county Zapatero? Yeah. You guys from there. So. Here. Hear a game warden response to a tip about an illegal gillnet and the Rio Grande day. Goes down there on the Texas side of the river and starts pulling out some mono-filament Gill net, which has been set a legally. And by the time he's done. He is hauled in four thousand feet of gillnet. Near Abilene a game warden sees people shooting from a truck. Stop someday ask them what's going on. And they explained that their multi-tasking because. One of the things they're doing is. They're drinking. One of the things they're doing is the woman her and her boyfriend or drinking, and they're teaching her son. How to drive and they're hunting hogs. In bear county, which I made the mistake last. I called Baxter county back are which didn't go over. Well, bear county game wardens, find a guy on social media. Brag about how he's been doing a lot of hunting and fishing in the San Antonio power plant property, which is close to said activities, and they want to find the guy so they review his social media posts and eventually figure out who he is. And learn that he's a he's on felony probation. So they can't find him. So they just go down and wait for him when you can just show up for his probation court hearing and then arrest him. Another Texas news story. That's interesting is red wolves so red. I'm trusting you to know about this Carl red wolves have been declared extinct in the wild in the wild. And if tried captive breeding they have on an island off of North Carolina. They have tried some yet. But there's no red wolves alive in the wild. Yeah. And they were just surprised to learn that on Galveston island, the coyotes their carry red wolf genetics. Yeah. In quite a bit of it quite a bit. Yes. Like to the point where based on the most recent genetic analyses. They have more similarity to the red wolves than they do to pure blooded Cayo. So that kind of a middle ground which raises some interesting questions about what defines a species. Really? Yes. What do you think is it now can Texans start worrying about how they have wolves? Or is that premature oh, there's probably plenty of that chatter already. Lert thing. The second time I talk about this. But you guys have this. It's hard for you to pronounce know the animal, I'm going to say the nilghai. Okay, right now, you also have a problem Texas with CAD the cattle fever tip not the tick that makes you can't eat meat, but like a tic spreads the disease. Cattle fever, and they can Aratu Kate and Cadillac can control and cattle. But now the nilghai carry the tick, so they are installing motion activated spray machines that are like trail cams, but they blast nilghai with a solution containing nematodes that kill the ticks, which beat some unnerving shit to happen to you. Right. To be like walk. Did. It wasn't also. You would you would be I would be distressed for a minute. Zap them was that you know, how these app them. I've looked into it. So the trick is nilghai are very wide ranging species like compared to a whitetail deer that cover a ton more ground, but they congregate at shared latrines. Oh, so they're installing these things at the shared latrines where all the nilghai will get together and do their business. So it's like even more on nervous. You show up to do your business. And then you end up getting sprayed that really right now we have to genuine Texans. Have you guys eaten? Of hundred Noga, we we've actually done a lot of stuff. I was just down on the king. A couple of weeks ago was much client. I was cooking for clients that were hunting, no guy. It's true. You'll see a eight foot circle of Noga shit in a road. Do they like the mound it up? It's mostly flat. I'd say it's like a hill or Dale of shit. Because you know Llamas like if you if my brother keeps his Llamas out in a flat. Like if you keep on a flat pasture Llamas like to any kind of little rise to get on an ill shit in the same spot and build a little look like a little pitcher's mound. This becomes substantial. And then they'll perch up on there. Just to get a better look. But but the meat is the new guy meat is good. It's fantastic. Even the bigger bowls. They get huge. I mean, six seven hundred pounds plus not unheard of. And in my experience. Even even the big bowls are really good eat there. What would you compare it to you? It's maybe access deer like very mild. Maybe less has like less of an iron flavor than white tail. Little little bit beefy. It's really I mean, very lean but very very good. It's good stuff. We wanted to touch real quick on the Frisco Coyote epidemic. Everybody lives in Frisco. Yanis a subject matter expert on the first go epidemic break it down. Sounds like every all of you must have been bit. By a Coyote in the last six months from what I read. Oh, what else I know about it? And they're chewing on small dogs cats live. There was I think even one news source had come up with their own app to report sightings and at the time. There was over three hundred sightings, right around Frisco, and people were genuinely worried. Yeah. Because like five people, right? Got nipped or seven seven people got banned. Do you guys live in Frisco? Have you guys been bit? No. So everybody's doing. Are you cool on S object? That's kind of the extent of it. Yeah. You know, surprise me. Really? When I read it. I was like, yeah. That's makes sense. We have. You have something to add though. Oh, you're cooking coyotes. I'm good. I do a I wanna I wanna give a quick shout. Other podcast guests. Bracy vehicle hill. The second is here. What is friend west keys west runs wild game? Santa's right west while wild game for west Dallas. They put together two thousand pounds of venison for protein, poor neighbors. Processors. There's a group is a group called hunters for Hungary. So people deer hunters would bring into your down two processors, hundreds for Hungary, paying for all the processing fees, and then they also have a group brother bills help hand and they've been teaching they take it some young kids out and doing their first hunting trips, and he's here in the crowd tonight. So I wanted to mention that. He mentioned he mentioned that we need to have more. Doug, Dern, not think that the world needs more. Doug dern? Quick question. Yeah. We were with him. The are night. Gay. I I gotta bring up there's some guy here. Joel with the wife who has the coolest name in the world named timber. You guys here gay wedding advice once wedding advice what he wants us to explain timber. I don't know if I'm doing this Joe wants us to explain the that. I'm just gonna come at it that you need to make sure that he's allowed to go hunting all the time. He wanted to. I was supposed to frame that up is some kind of Baird be slide and frame it up with some kind of marriage advice. But I that's just what he's getting in. So. Just I'll just gonna cut right angle four because it sounds like maybe he's not getting to go enough right here. He feels that way. No, no. Now, you're gonna make it that he's not going to have a good night. He. No this dude says he says, I go all the time. I think that he wants to just make sure that continue into the future precedent like precedent setting. Which is Bess a big that's my marriage by s- by starts before you get married. I if I was timber our even push him. And there's this like yet to be the guy that actually hunts three hundred sixty five days a year. So I would say when it's been about eight days or nine days in a row if he actually haunts that much that when he was like almost sleep bend tomorrow morning. I'd have that alarm going on at four and be like dude get out of bed and bring home the bacon, bro. No rest for the guy. That was the hunt all the time, right? Like, get it. And just kind of see where that levels out. He's he's getting buried may. So good luck to him. Now dig it in. We're going to focus pretty heavy not like totally heavy but pretty heavy on wild game tonight because we got so many good cooks up front here of other questions. We're stray a little bit could touch on cannibalism. I got I got a question about whether dear ever lose their ability to get it up, which is for Carl the I. No, not like that. Man. I don't be like, I don't be. You're gonna know because you know, subject matter like, you know, like animal. Your direct. I knew him. But I I wanted to get into this one. This is the question that comes in that came in is that this is a panel opportunity. What have you eaten that you will never eat again? And how was it that you cooked it? I can start or I can go later. Doesn't matter to me. You got one. I got one. Staying on brand. I'm big fan of hogs ate a hog wants that have been snared and that thing been into snare for at least two hours. I'm good top. We got up too. So I mean enough when I walked up she just lost all the ability to fight just got really sad in here. She she just given up, but that was absolutely inevitable. So I hung up the hogs Nares after that. Really? I have some of those. And I look at them all the time. I've never messed with them. I mean for ratification be good. But for for pork chops. Not getting really what do you got yawns? I don't know of anything that really fits that Bill because I wanted to China again. And this might be a good segue for you. But Murray Ganz are a hooded one the one time, we dancer. Yeah. One time we tried it. It just we stunk out the apartment and just bow to never do it again. But now with the skin on it. I can't I can't remember I doubt it. I bet we just took the breasts out, but you don't mind GoldenEye. No, no. I just remember this is a long time ago this by close to two decades ago, and I remember it being pretty pretty fishy ever. She never the thing. I made this kind of like what I made is like it's intertwined with the high you cooked it, but I I wrote about this my first book, and I was just how kind of off putting it was was. Kidney pudding. With L kidney, but from old elk and the fact that like when you're you're you're eating it, really. Honestly, it's like eating like solidified piss. Me. And that was just like such a letdown. You know, like a urine. Okay. Was that you're in? Okay. Was like a urine. Okay. Well, there's like soapy things in a urine. Yeah. It'd be like if you cook that I've not anymore. But it was. Yeah. I was like you cook it and kind of rises the has like a souffle kind of thing. But man that was not a good dish. He'd be porting. Do you ever got burned on a dish? Yeah. This is actually really embarrassing. But in my early days of cooking wild game, actually, probably my first experience, ever processing. But during a deer it was. It was a gift given to us by a friend who had a manage managers ranch and eat quartered deer. And I was like we're going to process. This whole thing ourselves, and what should've taken like ours was like days because I've thought all I knew is like get all the silver skin off. So I'm like breaking down the shanks like I'm going crazy days this meat has been in the cooler, and I don't know that you should drain the water out and keep fresh ice in. So it's like nicely marinating in this cooler for way too long then its own goo. Yeah. And so I have all the bones left. I you know, I'm gonna make a stock. I'm just this. I like hot shot in the kitchen at this point in time. So start making the stock I roast wake up early roast the bones. I it's just I got this. Nice pot going, and I realize it smells, really bad thinking to myself. Well, it's just gamy. Right. That's just like venison. I'd never really worked with venison before. It's just gave me it will get better. Keep cooking on the stove for hours. And then Travis that's my husband chives comes home. And he bust the door open any yells at me like. Why are you making a European mountain in the house like do that outside? Yeah. And I was like, okay. This is not right. So I threw it out. So I didn't try it for the worst. So. Yeah. So I didn't even taste it try. It was like it was like death in the house. It was. So so bad. The worst thing. I actually aid was a tundra swan that had been in a ziplock bat or not even like ziplock free just like a little baggy in the back of someone's freezer for a couple of years. I like nice freezer. Burn tundra swan wasn't. You know enough is. Under swan laying around the disk. They lose track of Delhi. We charge went on a hot where the buddy and the pothole region. This is up in North Dakota, not not Texas up in the pothole region. And they were there a diver dot conning. And they see some swans come by. And a start y'all who who they turn around? So he gets his swan, and I actually wanted it mounted and I didn't. But I wanted to eat it. So his friends like, oh, I have some in the freezer you can mount that. And I'll give you give you this one. So I was like, oh, that's so sweet. Thank you so much. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was it was terrible. Carl something in China. I some bad stuff in China for sure. But the yeah. The thousand year egg nobody no. Oh, did you have you eaten that deal? The embryonic. You know, what I'm talking about you ever eat those. They let a dark. Blue. Yeah, I've eaten that my God man that fits into the category. But the thing that came to mind first of all is stuff that I now love eating. But at the time had no idea how to handle it. And so I've been thinking lately, you know, like anybody out there. Grab a copy of the new fish and game cookbook. So. So the reason that that's cool is I think about being like a thirteen year old. Squirrel hunter who loved hunting. Squirrels. And didn't know what the heck to do with them. Really? And how it would. It would just be a different ball game today to have the videos the cookbooks and have all that at your disposal as the new hunter. But to answer your question when I was learning how to hunt. We'd do these like Daniel Boone Davy Crockett adventures, where we'd go camping in the woods behind our house. And we'd catch trout. We'd pick mushrooms we'd hunt squirrels and grouse and pretty much whatever hunting success we had we'd build a fire skin out. Whatever critter it was in just like hold it in the fire. And so you'd get this like black crisp. Little and bite in and it would be like cool to the touch on your teeth. And you'd be like pulling meat off like. I must really like hunting. So I'm done with that. Like, I'm doing all kinds of like squirrel now is the bomb because I've learned how to do it. And that's one of the things about having these resources at your fingertips now like we aren't we were jumping out of YouTube or jumping on your smartphone. It's like, here's a dead, squirrel. I'm going to build a fire and hold it in there. And it's going to be awful. That's like a long time ago that was wild game. Cooking was so weird because off. The impact of phones, you don't even really think about is that used to if you're going to meet your friends, you guys have had to pick a bar, and no one could leave the bar to go to a different bar because you wouldn't be able to find each other. Right. You had to like pre phones. Everything was different man. Yeah. It was hard to find people. You're starting to sound like an old, man. But you know, what I'm saying? Like, if you remember it was very difficult to locate your buddies, you could lose track your body's without phones. But also, you couldn't look up how to cook stuff. So we would know that people eight something like we knew I remember the first time we tried to cook a deer tone with nine hundred ninety four and we just knew that it was a thing. One could do, but we didn't have access to even the idea that the skin supposed to come off Swede boil those sons bitches and try to chew on them and boil them and try to chew on them. And now, you just would very quickly just realize, you know, but we would just in like trying to figure out how to cook beaver tails, when you have a thing, you know, it happens, but you don't know how to do it. And there's no you can't convey the information. Yeah. Unless you stumbled across some weird the cookbook somewhere just had no way of knowing. Now. Everybody knows everything. Now, people don't know how to do something. I kind of looked down on him a little bit. Just look it up. A dish guy asked about first time. I get to this car. I'll get to we're gonna use you right now. Okay. So you questions which one do you want first the grizzly bear one or the the penile erectile dysfunction in dear one? Okay. Guy wants to know, here's Trump. Here's what's coming from. There's a guy. I can remember what state he's in is the guy and he hunts a property, and there's a really old deer in the landowners, don't mess with that deer. Ever put. He's wondering is it ever that? Because he thinks he wants this old. Dear just got big Antlers, debris and make more deer. And he's wondering is like do deer. Get hit the autumn of their life. Right. Like dudes who there's a long period of dues life when he's not breeding anything even if you wanted to. So does that does that known like does a deer age out or do they stay viable till the bitter end. They do not age out. They don't it and nor do the females for that matter. And if you think about so there's this. There's this myth right of like the old dry old dry dough. There have been numerous research papers. Dear biologist by the name of Gwen Dougie's. Did a great study up in Minnesota where he was looking at fecundity the ability, and and basically rates of pregnancy and number of offspring across different age classes females and it just keeps ticking up like older does tend to be more fertile than younger does. But for rates are very high in females and given the complexity of what the female reproductive system has to do compared to the male reproductive system. There's a lot more that can go wrong essentially in terms of having. Those years of fertility. That's why you know, a woman has a relatively narrow period for Tilly compared to a man, but in deer if you think about the fact that they have this narrow breeding season. And you think about the fact that, you know, most of these bucks are dying. From sources of mortality other than aging out, though, the likelihood of any individual dear getting to the point where they're not performing reproductively. It's just not going to happen. The exception would be if a deer experiences some kind of an injury like people have probably heard the term like cactus bucks. Yuksel get some damage they'll injure their testicles, those sorts of things that are explaining the cactus book so cactus. Buck would be a deer that essentially keeps growing layers of velvet that are never shed and the growth like the Antlers cycle is controlled by sex hormones testosterone the season -ality of. A breeding is what is linked to antler growth. So post breeding season when the testosterone levels start to drop. That's when the Antlers would fall off. But in a in a deer that has experienced an injury to its testicles or perhaps has undescended testicles they'll just keep growing layers of velvet potentially on their Antlers and get these really funky configurations and sometimes just carry velvet Antlers for a long time. But there is an example. I have no what you just said that makes sense. There is an thanks, man. There is an example of erectile dysfunction in the wildlife kingdom, though that I think would be just to people. So. Polychlorinated biphenyls PCB's are precipitating out of the atmosphere near the poles. And this is having a disproportionate effect on animals that are at the top of the food chain. And as you go north we're talking polar bears here. And there was a research paper published recently about the fact that these PCB's have on us. Oh touchdown us. Not in your water bottle. Really? Well, there's a few things that are telling you are not in the bottle. But yeah, there there are estrogens substances in some plastics that they're they're really worried about with when it comes to drinking water, but PCB's are a byproduct of manufacturing processes. So the problem is they can weaken skeletal tissue bones, including in polar bears, like they're detecting weakening of polar bear bones and polar bears are one of the species that have a very unique bone back Ulum the back Hewlett Packard bonds. So there is concern that PCB's have the potential to weaken, the penis bones of polar bears to the point that polar bear males could be predisposed to breaking their penile bones, thereby experiencing high rates of what would affectively be erectile dysfunction and further compromising their their state, which is being driven by climate change, and a host of other factors. But in the world of ED in the animal kingdom, that's the best. I can do for you. I mean that's good though. That's good. Excellent. I can't I can't decide if if we should give. No, I'm going to ask you that. I want. My mother wildlife question one. I can't I have a good sense of what it is by can't figure out. So we all know like when you look at European contact. We had, you know, mount lines coast to coast top to bottom. We add wolves coast to coast top to bottom. Why was it that the grizzly bear never colonized the eastern US? What kept the grizzly bear stuck at around the big bend of the Missouri river you ought to real short answer tight. Now. Short. The short answer is. Habitat open country open country as the grizzlies preferred habitat, and if you'll allow just a couple additional details if you go back in the tree you have a common ancestor about a million years ago that was shared by black bears and Brown bears. And at that point in time, you had the differentiation where due in part to the habitat provided by the glaciers receding. You had all this open country, and you had some of the bears specialize in hunting and living in that open country and some of the bears specialize in occupying the forested habitats, and that difference in their habitat preference has driven so much about the morphology the behavior the level of aggression, the reproduction. Everything about the life histories of Brown bears. Versus black bears is driven by black bears being specialized occupy densely forested habitats. Quick example would be the short hooked claws. Yep. That allow a black bear to climb a tree and the grizzlies long claws, which are great for digging. But make him incapable of climbing a tree, but there's so many more cool details than that the more you start to think about it. And and Furthermore that specialization for open country and just being able to hunt the wide open and be very protective and territorial over your offspring NBA and just like a bad MO fo bear extended even further when the grizzly differentiated into the polar bear later on in. It's volition. So if you think about the extreme example of that open country untreated environment the polar bears like the. Extreme version of that. And that's a relatively recent split in the file genetic tree. But everything about reproduction like American black bears their offspring, stay with them for the first year and a half. Why is that well a year and a half old American black bear can flee up a tree if it encounters danger in contrast to a grizzly bear or the offspring stay with the mother for two and a half years. And that's thought to be in large part because they remain so dependent on their mother for protection that if they were to split at a year and a half they'd ended up getting smoked by another bear. They can't get away. They can't get away. So yeah, there, you know, there are places obviously we could come up with a list of all the places where Brown bears and black bears. Coexist, where they overlap where you've got some forested habitat. But that's always going to be a place where you've got forested conditions for the black bear and proximity to open country for the Brown bear. So the Brown bears and open country species compared to the black bar tracking. Good. They go. I want to move on to. We touched on his now now and move on to cannibalism real quick guy wrote in and he was talking about the his body. He's talked about a guy. So does the guy saying that another guy is going to get liposuction? And he's wondering can you use the fat for anything? You bet that that in fight. Yeah. I was gonna talk in fight club. Like part of the plot. Is that they're using human fat to make soap dude, dude wants sent me. I don't know if you guys done this dude semi-fat he's been making with black bear so meal. Sorry sent me soap made out of black bear fat. It's not really about cannibalism. But have you guys mess with this at all like making your own, and you kind of soaps out of fat bear fat deer fat. I've never made it. But we actually at the restaurant we sell soap made out of wild boar fat. You do really know works. Pretty good. I mean makes you clean come over here. Lord, check it out. Yeah. We have we talked about this that you've you've the only guy has you've kind of cannibalized kind of because you've eaten humid tattoo says cannibal. Yeah. You've eaten human placenta. And you drank. Oh, yes. I was done that mothers. Drank human milk. A lot of us. Have drank you, you're drinking. No, no. Yeah. Get right. You know, what that's a good point, man. But I mean like that's a really good point. But he drank it as a grownup. You start to think about. Yeah. But most of us who have consumed milk. It's from our own mother. But then they're all these examples in a lot of cultures, including in some communities in America, where it's commonplace for babies to be passed around to various, lactating moms and who's milk. It is. Zeal. And then you start thinking about the milk banks where you have mom e given mom, B's, kid, milk and milk. Just like flawn all over the. Yeah. My wife would give out frozen sacks milk's friends of hers four baby. So what do you guys get for? What do you get for a bar hog? So it's like seven nine dollars. I think it's pretty nice stuff. Yeah. It's got Jennifer berries. And it's really nice could cover set two bigs. You have experience with this making this Megan now, I thought about doing something with the deer fat because it's so waxy as I could seal a lot of things up the recent seal boots with deer fat. We would take your fat man makes you boots stink man. But we would. Yeah. We would just melt your fed down. Rub. It into the rub into the leather nice to have a body who this guy named Leighton Glenda, and he would. He would take bear fat in pine pitch and beeswax and make his own triple blend boot stuff the hard thing to get was the bees. Like, he would track the bees so their hive and take a chainsaw. Rudolph all the you know, Rudolph the beeswax make the boot stuff. That was kind of his seen. Now, we want to touch on because we're gonna talk about Davy Crockett for a minute. Because can you explain Daniel what you're telling me about what he might be credited with. No, no, I'm just trying to tell you that was a lie. Oh, the hush puppies was a lie. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She told you you did fool me because we're gonna play we're gonna play ally. So that was trying out a lie. Yeah. Oh. Get what? But was it true about the bear killing the Daniel? Allegedly. He wrote that he killed one hundred five bears in Tennessee bars. Hundred and five and seven months, and I think either forty two or forty seven I think forty seven was in one month. Bears one month yet because boon claimed Daniel Boone and like people lump in Davy Crockett danger, boom, but different dudes different times. Like not same guy. Daniel Boone thousand times, cooler Davy Crockett, which is offensive to Texas. You guys. Are you guys aware? Are you are you guys wear that is rumored? Right. Are you guys worried that it's rumored that Crockett? Hopeless families now here. The Crockett did not go down in a blaze of glory. Oh. I said, it's it's rumored. You're familiar with this. I mean, we've seen the footage. She tossed out torch ended the gun powder room. And he took out like one hundred Mexican soldiers. Shot saying and it's hot off of his head at a thousand yards. You've seen the photos. But you are you aware of the myth like the competing the competing legends about Crockett. No. A journal. Okay. A disputed a hotly contested. You're going to have a kid here soon. I was telling you on this story. And I got the story all wrong. But then we looked up. The true version is a hotly contested journal. You look like you're agitates. I'm just trying to speak for everybody here. Jerry on. A hotly contested journal. Like the veracity of the journal has been called into question. But there's a journal that exists. I think it sits here in Texas. I think it sits in the state capital or something. You guys ever, you know, all this. And it was that at the end of the smoke clears the smoke clears at the Alamo and Crockett had surrendered and was was executed, and he didn't he didn't go. He didn't you know? I I don't have an act. I don't have a dog in the fight here. I'm just saying contested thing. And Danielle got tell me how Davy Crockett invented the hush puppies. But if. If. Which I thought was true. I can't believe you can't believe that was true. I don't know. Why thought it was true? Thought that, but but but we have like Boone and Crockett like they've been stuck in our heads together Boone and Crockett Boone claims to have I wrote it down here 'cause I've caught us a thousand times on a mess. It up Boone client he killed when he was hunting bears for the bake and market and the lard market. He killed one hundred fifty five and a single fall in once killed eleven before breakfast. Hunting with hounds. They would get I think like a buck a gallon for bear fat. I knew were cured hams. They would make they would tap Maples for sugar. They would go to salt licks and boil down the water to make salt node make their own salt sugar. Bryan, Bryan, the bear meat and barrels make their own small calls smoke it and then hold on keelboats to be sold. And it's plausible that like this is contemporaneous with Benjamin Franklin. So it's like plausible that Ben Franklin eight some bear be some haired wild man out running around, Brian and bear me, but you imagined hundred fifty five and a single season we were talking about like all these animals that used to exist across continent, and we kind of like whittled down next enough. And that's the kind of feller that did some woodland. And you think about how cool they are. But you also think like what is their sense of like give me the numbers on crack it. He hadn't forty seven one month forty seven Barrett. Like, what is their sense of enough? That's like timbers, dude, he owns that much. She could probably keel. Fred. Okay. I wanna move on. There's a guy. I think he's here tonight. He is here tonight. Name Steven Steven. He has a great sentence in his letter. My name is Stephen I'm a big fan and a lazy Texas hunters. He goes he goes on to talk about this. I don't know the answer to this bump curious. Everybody's all hot on. Hot pots, what do you? Call insta- pines the pods where he's like why is it when you make something if you cook game and insta- pot. It just never as good as if you slow cook it straight up. I want to think about that. Why make sure that this is what he's saying? Is that sound right? You hear you're buying like, I'm doing a good job with your question. That. Yes, or no good. Okay. Yes. So he's saying what's up with insta- pots. I've never messed with the insta-. I do have an electric pressure cooker. But it's not called that. I would I would just get mean. There's really no substitution for time. Especially when you're breaking down silver, getting married out of bound, you need a college into gelatin conversion he'd just texture that flavor that's going to develop over time. And you know. Microwaves not going to do it and some fancy insta- pot contraptions probably not going to do it either. I think one of the biggest issue. So I started looking into the differences between electric versus manual and the biggest thing with insta- fi is like obviously convenience. So you kinda like. I've never actually used one. But I've read through recipes and instructions from and you put the meat in there, and it's supposed to Brown and seer the mean, and then you add your liquids and everything and there's just it's just steaming. You don't get that like mired reaction of brat like a true Browning? Your meat steaming it, and so you really lose a lot of rich flavors by doing that. And plus like you were saying like you don't have time on your side either to is like the escape of water. Right. Right. So it was no reduction have well because it's pressurized the theory or I guess science behind it is that has nowhere to go. So it goes back inside the meet with all that pressure in there. So I mean, I use a manual pressure cooker quite a bit. And I I like it a lot. But it's it's it is not the same as. As say brazing in the oven. It's it's not the same result. But that's year using it for convenience factor. So when you're working, and you have a busy schedule, and you want some die meets to be really tender and a really fast time, it's convenient. But you just aren't going to get the same depth of flavor. If you were to slowly do it in the oven. Crock pot for that matter. Brownie something in a pan transferred across. Yeah. Let it go for six eight hours, however, long it needs. But you get the same kind of thing. But you just I think you just have to have the time in there, and like you say the Browning process so important. Go ahead. Yaas available everywhere. Books. I feel like I even get to separate results between crock pot and say Dutch oven inside the oven. Would you agree with that as well? And and how thought on why that is you gonna have more radiant heat from the metal versus just that light Ambiente heat from the crock pot. You know metal. It's just going to conduct a lot more. Dutch ovens are amazing too big fan. Right. And plus it's just cast iron. It's just more authentic. And sometimes you brain just wants that yet. Right. So my a little bit of placebo cook it in a Dutch oven in the oven is the best. What else gives you that like car that like care Mel coding that's real bitch to clean off radio. That man, you know, you've made something my suggestion on the insta- pots would be like cook cook and stock in there like a really good stock that you pour in there. 'cause then you're sort of given you're taking time earned from somewhere else in the plying it. Yeah, I would say if you're gonna use an end spot or any even a pressure figure or crock pot Brown it separately on the pan? I always. And then combine everything. That's what I'm saying is I that's not like a real like Saul tape pan is like Representative spot. The lid on that. And your steaming it you're not letting any of that moisture evaporates, you lose. 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I was actually I remember when I when I filled that that reservoir and just came to hunting later on in life, and I worked at restaurants. Since I was legally old enough to work. And then learn to butcher I and then went into hunting after I learned how to butcher animals like home it back up. So you. You said we're going to restaurants real young sixteen doing what wash dishes and whatnot. Everything wash dishes bartended way titles worked with kitchen. What got you? So what was the what was the butchery the move into butchering? I just you know, eventually became a butcher at a restaurant. We were getting whole animals end. This is almost. About eighteen years ago and back when people were just starting to get back into whole animal butchery restaurant. I was working then started bringing in hogs and lamb, and we just learned to cut them. And then after that, I was able to kind of make a pretty, you know, easy segway into hunting 'cause of the back end of it was super familiar to me. There's a lot of obviously a lot to learn on the front end of it. What was your what was your Waren? Is you grew up in Texas. So there's like this huge, hunting, culture and taxes. What was your awareness of hunting? And what were your perceptions? Did you have an opinion about it? You didn't have an opinion about it. I was curious about it. But my family a only child and my dad didn't seven fist constantly just had to get out there and learn myself and finally did and then you're just Turkey. And then there was something to do in the winter. Besides fish in the warmer months. And so now, I find myself constantly occupied. So yeah. And then you so you've got to where you cook. A lot of game in restaurants in your in your own places. Key talk about like the pet because I think a lot of people around the country people here familiar with it. But a lot of people around the country really surprised to hear that the like actual wild. Pigs make their way into the restaurant. Yeah. It's a complicated process. I mean, we get all the time. People somebody roll up to the restaurant and knock on the back door and be like, hey, I got a big out here. I'm like, no. What you can't. So you don't touch that. Yes. No, totally illegal. I mean, it has to be inspected. So all the hogs that we get in our trapped. They're trapped most out in the hill country. And then they're brought into a licensed processor in in a trailer. And then he kills them. They get their expected before they're killed inspected after the killed that blue stamped. Nice little Texas symbol on them stamped and then brought to us from there. But that pig could have trick analysis. No-one no-one tested for that. Right. Sure, the Soka domestic. I mean, it's highly unlikely highly unlikely. Yeah. But it is. I mean, there's swine brucellosis pseudorabies tool or there's a host of things that they are for hosts of. So we keep our I on at Texas animal health commission, you know, kind of updates everyone on cases. And that it's it's pretty rare to see anything come from the feral hogs. So they can be vectors for a lot of different diseases. Yeah. Over ninety percent of the trick knows cases in this country. Come from black bear meat. Will. I remember in Alaska, they had a guy that got it from walrus, which really surprised me. Then you guys also you do venison to do. But that's the weird. That's when I wanted to ask you about I told you I was gonna ask about it. It would be if if you have a restaurant and sells wild game, right? People have an idea what that is. And when you sell wild pigs that conforms to wild game. Here's this animal that no one has any control over its leads its own destiny, right? Just kind of does his own thing cruises round out the woods. But with when you sell the venison. That's not like, that's like a farm animal. No, it's not necessarily a lot of them will come off really large ranches have a ton of acreage, and they trap block of what we sell. There's. No. And so those are actually completely wild animals coming from the coast. And so they go in there. They catch them with net guns like shooting that over them big traps like that no shit. Really a lot of what we serve that. So that can wind up in the restaurant trade. Yeah. Well, there's there's some inspection processes since the not swine they followed her a different status. And so they they aren't as highly regulated. So there's even a wild game company here that sends an inspector out in the field, and they shoot deer. But when non-native so access IKEA fallow deer things like that. It's like you mean like you time like the seek a dear little elk like gears. Yeah. So white tells never on your never started. Why though? So these are. Typically gonna be deer that are made proliferated on on a ranch. So granted high fence. But typically, very large, and they are trapped, but for the most part, my big thing is die. So they are living while they're not in a pen. They're living wild and they're eating mostly awhile, diet and other probably hitting a corn or here and there, but how many verses any wild deer in the state. It's probably about the same. So I also think that they are invasive in a way, it's it's the best thing that we can do while following under the parameters law, and you guys don't so you guys don't sell deer coming out of New Zealand. Never. We don't sell that matter. We don't sell any product any fresh product doesn't mean it has come from Texas. That's interesting, man. I had no I had no idea that the house plan on Boston your balls. Sorry. But even get a chance, really. So that's what it is. So people you get like pretty legit while game experience. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, like the talker. We we're using all know guy there. So that is a wild animal all the sausage. We do at the brick and mortar is no guy. And then when we get in a whole carcass? You know, we never know what we're going to get its guy calls me. And he's like, hey, we got a couple of red deer in the trap. Great bring him. Well, that's that's that's this might be proprietary info. But can you tell me what your cut of fat to how much fat you cut into making like a your average sausage? It'd probably varies here. Twenty to twenty five twenty twenty five. Okay. What what do you pay money? I want to provide I want to provide good information for tonight's audience. So what are you? So you've got hunting background. You've got chef background in memory really Ritz about like free. Like, backward was harder to get information than it is. Now, I feel that there used to be like grown up hunting. We just had like certain ways, we cooked everything. And then you later learned that you had people in the culinary world shafts and things and they had their way of doing stuff, but the communication didn't. There wasn't an exchange of communication like if you were if you were a rural person eating wild game, you probably cooked it like how your grandma cooked, and they probably cooked how their grandma coat that. And you didn't have this big exchange between the culinary world. You know, the professional culinary world in rural wild game people. And now there's more freedom. Right. That you'd agree with that. There's a lot more just exchange of ideas. Like, for instance, you know, last time, I had dinner Carl's. We'll talk about what we had last time. I had done at your house. The last time you were there. We. We capitalized on some technology that I had imported from my time in China where one of my favorite dishes was what the Chinese call hogwash. Which translates basically a hot pot and you'll sit around a table with a big hole in the middle. And it will hold a cauldron of boiling broth with all kinds of spices. And it's really social thing because everybody's gathered around with chopsticks and dipping in all manner of fish and meat, and eggs and coagulated blood in all manner of mushrooms and era Maddox. Yeah. It's like a fondue kind of deal. And so I was going to have Stephen Yata span. Visit and when you're hosting these jokers that your house for dinner. You don't wanna be pulling out like a package of ballpark Franks and slap him on the grill. Not that you guys wouldn't like ballpark. But I was like what could I do? They'll be creative. So we did this menagerie of wild fish and game from all over new. We had what we had walleye yet. We had walleye. We had pronghorns heart Turkey Turkey, Jim blitz. There was some L. We had just like whatever was in the freezer, and it was a fun way to spend an with seasoning packets from China. Yeah. Put into the thing. So like the point being that there's this exchange now. So if you're magin your position where you've got a foot in the hunting world, and you've got a foot in the technical culinary world. What are the what are the thing? One of the misconceptions about wild pigs that you find like when you talk like the hundreds have their own ideas about like, what's not audible. What's good? Not good. Where does that contradict what you found from the professional kitchen while to specifically? Sure, man, or whatever you want to get into. I think in general. I mean this the collective. Consciousness has shifted so much, and you can speak to this a lot. I mean, that's what you do is communicate food to people that are increasingly way more interested in in that part of it. I mean, they're starting to recognize that that I had him on the ground. You're you're halfway done with with this job. And there's more enjoyment to not just slap some Italian dressing on it anymore. Rabbit vacant other. You can't when when I was a kid, it was cream of mushroom soup in a crackpot. But I think people are just you just see so much more excitement about it. Now and more curiosity people are willing to try different things. And they're they're just they're being more adventurous, and they're they're wanting to get more out of of that part of all that work to go out there to do I think with with hogs, we we experienced a lot of myth and people a lot of misconceptions a been told, you know, one hundred and twenty pounds. It's the biggest hog that you can eat. So like one hundred nineteen hundred twenty one that's got pile material. That doesn't make any sense to me. I mean, I've had I've had three hundred pound bore. That was amazing. You're not gonna believe that. I mean trust me on something. And I think that I mean, my my my mission is to get people to eat more picks. I mean, they're invasive they're tearing up land. I we, you know, there's there's people that don't have enough food out there like this gentleman that spark and so hard to feed them, and it's just like we're shooting piles of pigs and leaving them to lie field. And I think if we can get out there and educate and show people that these pigs can be delicious. I'm not saying that all stunning there's some of them that are, stinky. And I've experienced that there are there are stinky pigs. I mean, I've I've had like I've shot pigs that I thought were way better than other pigs upshot, what do you think's going on with what's bad pig? What me go back, anecdotally, demise? Snare story stress is a big one. Like, the bigger the pig. It is to bring down the longer runs. The more at Adrain allies, this less lactic acids. Build up the muscles the tougher. It can be the game here. It can be. Diet isn't huge one. We killed pigs in south, Texas, which aren't nearly as good as the pigs that we kill in Lockhart or maybe in the east, Texas where you have four kinds of oaks are places where there's lots of pecans folks, diet diet forms of big part of that equation. But I think that just convincing people to give them more of a chance. Try some different cuts. Try the ribs. Try more slow cooking on them. You know, like really break them down. Get adventurous are just are. Maybe not adventurous is the right word. I think a lot of times, you know, when you see a recipe, that's like this, you know, nine hours to project, and it's got a lane berry glaze on it. And you need a shift a not a fresh men, and you need to find go ongo to finally mentioned put on top. You're going to be like, there's no way. But if I was like, what did you make a sloppy Joe out of it? You're gonna do that. It's gonna be amazing. And I think that's I think that's the way that you communicate to people as you put it into context. First off correcting is how to make it in second recognize how it should taste. Is it true? I've heard it so many times like that people say that a wet a wet sow is like the best wild pig to eat because it's you're talking about. I mean fragment Sao hasn't had them yet. But for the one you want to eat or is that just like another myth is that true. Now, there's a blind as guiding guy the other day in a blind that we're one of our hunting schools and two sows walked out one west pregnant one was nursing, and I was like shoot the pregnant one because you think it's better be. Yeah. Fats staying instead of going out. So just at fat is what you want. Then hawks. It's all about fast. Can you? What's up with age in hog meat is if not not worth we're in a warm climate? So if you have the, you know, the the walk in cooler that's got a lot of moving air in it. Then by all means, you can try it. I think that it's risky. It can't be done. But I think that really cold and dry environment. You're looking up to about ten days with a hog. But like if you're talking about like aging people are doing with beef push in sixty days stuff like that. And people are doing with pork domestic work as well. Right now. I'm I think that you're you're you'd be better choosing a different battle. I think let them get through rigor mortis and then cut him at your earliest convenience. So you're like the hog proselytizer. But let me ask you this though, this the question hour is asked people like so you guys enjoy this great re not great joy this resource, and you'd have as much of it as you want the will becomes like really interwoven into the culture. So like like the pig has become. You know, almost like synonymous with Texas owning culture. But the reason it's like gloves off on pigs because they're non native in problematic. Ours always asked pig hundreds this I was like if I gave you a magic wand, right? And I said if you shake this wand, it'll be done the pigs will be gone. So not that you're not that far you wouldn't shake the one. No. I get in trouble with my friends at parks wildlife TV, but I'm sorry. I can't take that long. I mean, the control. Yes. I mean, we have them in east Austin now like in the city limits. There's I mean there are rampant problem, and I have friends that are farmers, and they wanna shake that one too. And I think that we need to find you do field. There are people in Texas who would shake the magic. Oh for sure. Yeah. Hewish not shaker Carl you because you have an obligation to American wildlife shake. Yeah. I would. Know, you gotta find a no door out of here too. But I can understand the sentiment behind not wanting to shake it. I mean, I can I can understand how a species that you have interacted with and that's fed your family, and you've spent all this time learning about and you know, breaking them down and cooking them like overtime. I can completely understand appreciate the kind of relationship that people would feel towards that animal. And so I'm not I'm not dismissing that from an ecological perspective. I would absolutely shake that one. Really? Would you shake? I'm staying out of it. Would you shake the one? I feel like I'm supposed to say. Yes. But I probably wouldn't wouldn't shake the one. No, you know, we were in Chesapeake Bay and the east shore. And there's a fish there. Snakehead have snakeheads here. Like, a non native fish at first snake hit the water. And everyone's like, oh, my God snakeheads are gonna kill us all the end of the world snakeheads. Now, you see dudes with like, snakehead decals. It wasn't even that many years snakehead decals in their truck window where we have this way. I think that humans are so pragmatic where we have to say it's like here. It is. It's good to eat. You know what? Life gives you lemons you make lemonade, and we kind of really quick to. Adopt stuff, the non native stuff there are like most the places we hunt turkeys turkeys, aren't native there. That's right there. We probably wouldn't shake stick on that. What we know wouldn't shake stick on those poor birds. Yeah. But there's a very there's there's an important differentiation. They're not deleterious. I wanted to touch real quick. We're we're talking about champ ass like episode or two ago. Guys, food chap ass like. Word for. Jay the swamp swamp bass. We got man I like it was the number one. Probably the number of the things that we get written about Janas heart is probably number one people who are number one long-term long-term, people diagnosing you on this is hard. We had a question log, oh where someone was it. Was that a lie? It was in Sacramento guy was asking he was like man, I want to ask this. But I don't want my wife to know. And he wrote in and he was saying that if you got so you got a rabbit. That after gutting the RAB, why does once flatulent smell exactly like the gutted rabbit that got an enormous amount of thing in one guy wrote in and he described a phenomenon called deja Pooh, which is which is like this guy worked for coroner or something. And he was saying that he thinks are little. Like volatile fatty acids when you smell something foul. There's volatile fatty acids in that somehow they get in your nose hairs. This. And he was saying that you get when you smell on offensive smell later. It can carry a trace of that giving one the sense sense of deja vu, which I don't suffer from. But on the champions thing to really interesting pieces of feedback wonders all these products that people have the solved chap has. But one guy was saying he was with a guy one time. The guy has so bad that he couldn't walk. It was that bad, and he took his sandwich apart and took a piece of blown you out of it. In laid that piece of bologna between the cheeks in order to hike out. Another guy has another guy writes in. That the way to cure, it this most interesting concoction, he's taken. He's like O'Brien. Oh about this. He likes the mix Neal's foreign with Origen El. Like the two. The tooth no Ming age it, and he's like that's how you take care of that problem. Love. But I want to move on. I just wanted to touch on that I wanna move on. And another subject this came in. And I already know my answer because I've done this before. But he it's a guy. It goes something like I didn't write down as made details I should have. But there's a like a guy, and he's got a girlfriend, and they live with a roommate. His girlfriend needs wild game. The roommate won't eat wild game. Just like for each meet won't he wild game. What are the ethics of just lying and giving them the wild game? My grandmother. He's. Where do you guys think about it? Go for the totally fine telephone. Yeah. Yeah. I got nothing to guess. I don't feel like I'm doing them a disservice or line to come out of it. You know, something bad's going to happen to have a negative effect from eating the wild game. I trust them to eat. Yeah. Like the guy that did. Yeah. We talked about the guy that was serving kangaroo meat school kids without telling them. But he's got lost his job. Yeah. That's a little different than just tricking your roommate a little bit. Would you pull a fast one Carl? I would say it depends. Honestly, so on the one hand, I mean, we've all had roommates, right? And if your your roommate is like eating some food that you've provided to some extent, it's like, you're lucky that you're getting some food from me. So there's that dynamic. And then I think there's like an important distinction to Yanni's point about whether there's potential for the food to have like a negative outcome. So I'm I'm sitting here thinking about like, the example of all these people that have been exposed to see WD positive deer meat, for example. So I would say if you're talking about like sharing a a roast from a deer that you know, is healthy. That's one thing if you're sharing some kind of funky like brain dish near like, hey, try this out. And then after the fact you're telling them what it is. Or if you're sharing meat from an animal that you're not sure like WD status that say there's kind of some gray area there. But if it comes to just like you're making some food, and they want to eat it, but it's contingent upon whether or not it's wild game. I'd be like habit. Tell me if you like it. And I wouldn't I wouldn't lose sleep. Yeah. I think I would give him house cat meat. You know what I'm saying? That's why it becomes really tricky. Because how do you draw the line? So well, the the reason we're all doing this. I believe is because we're hoping that it results in like the lights getting turned off. And they're like, oh my God. That was that was awesome. Please. I'd like to eat some more now. Right. Like, that's why you're going through that process. So I kind of did this the other day, actually like. Not the cat where is that cat anyway. But so I've been I've been accumulating accumulating tongues for the last few years in my freezer, and I got to the point where I had a moose tongue a deer tongue horn tongue all in bed. I thought these things out cook them for eight hours in the slow cooker. And my mom is living with us right now. My mom comes out in the kitchen. I've got these things on the cutting board. She's like have I'm like don't worry about it. You know, making a dish year. Like, let me make the dish. Sick those mushrooms of some kind like no like let me let me do this. She's like what is it is that? It's it's plume cooking. Hold back. Let me do this. And I ended up making tacos still Langa with these tongues. And they turned out fantastic. And I serve them. Servants my wife serving my daughter. My mom is like these are the best tacos I've had in years. These are the best. And then a couple of hours later, my wife, and my mom are standing the kitchen. I was like what what the hell were those things you were cutting up the other day in the kitchen, let yesterday in the kitchen, and you know, as acting kind of shifty and wife's like what she talking about. I said well that was what we had for tacos. And then my wife gets real nervous. Right. Just like what do you feel? So those were tongues and my mom's like, oh, no. And I'm like what you said. Those were the best tacos had in years. So that's an example, where it's like, I know that meat is totally safe. I know there's no good reason. And my mom is very pragmatic. And she's the one who's always told me if you're gonna kill it eat it that was like the golden rule. So I'm asking my mom. Then would you rather that I left this tongue in the woods with the gut pile? When I brought out all that meat. Or would you rather put it to use to make the best tacos you've had a couple of years, you're helping me clarify my perspective on my perspective on it is because I've done exactly that I gave my mother-in-law tone like cold chilled cubed cured tongue in a salad. And she led her said that ham was so good. But here's the deal. It wasn't like I'm I totally. I don't feel the need to tell people what it is they're eating. But if I know that someone is like, I don't eat X. I don't think it's. Ethical to trick them into eating what they say. They don't want to eat. And I don't know that it's your business to tell them that their reason is right and riot with that. That's where I draw the line a little bit because if someone had like a religious dietary prohibition, I wouldn't then feed them. Yes. And be like, nah. Yeah. Now that's messed up for you know, for sure. Do you got any perspective to offer a nice guy before you've done? Diaper, ducks diver what it was. Yeah. That feels like a person who eats meat like, oh, I don't eat diver. I would totally screw with that person. That's not gun though. And I don't even think they knew it was stuck there. Like, they knew it was something wild. But they're like, oh, well, let's wild game. But it's good. I think they thought it was venison. The need into fine. Everybody's fun. I don't remember. If I told them or not. I mean we carried on with the night. Nobody was like what was that? The nobody nobody. Yeah. This is somewhat related an explain where it gets related in a minute here. But there's another thing I've been saving up emails from people that are all kind of the same thing where. This going to not seem your data. But trust me, I'm gonna make it related. They all seem like not the same thing. I'm sorry. Saving up emails of people asking the same thing. It'd be like if you kill an animal, and it's been injured or oftentimes they'll be like I found an an with an infection or it had a broad head in it. And it was had an injury. Is it safe to eat enough where we even had a guy right in? And he later we talked about this. Then he wrote back into clarify his point. He wants I'm hung a deer up some kind of care. What the hell was a raccoon or something gnawed on the muzzle of the deer. And then he was like is it safe to eat? So where do you personally draw the line at which something that's messed up is not safety. I mean, we've we've told you know. Bullets shotgun pellet stuff out of out of hogs. I've seen. Rice breasts in ducks the rice breast is that stress. You know, it's it's too much. It's pretty general infection. But that's just all kinds of cysts meets, pack assists. I think it's a pretty generalized acute injury. And you can cut it out. Then it's been considering the you also just shot one hundred fifty grams lead through it. It's got another injury. Now. There's dirt and blood and bone and everything and you're gonna just happily kinda cut around all that. And all that how to static trauma and kind of make that a palatal paddle palatable. Looking piece of me. I think a small injury that doesn't indicate like anything worse animal wasn't acting like super six. I think it's okay. But. You might better. I have discarded entire legs because of injuries and infections. I one time had a Turkey the most. It's whole breasts was shot because it had most pitched into a tree, but impaled itself would stick, and it was just horrible and ditch that so I'm like, I'm not like eating sacks, pasta stuff. But it is the thing that comes into people's minds. But I never think of as I've never thought of the thing where you would like an injury would somehow make something inedible and get you sick. When we had the like the bear that gave we had the bear that gave me and Janas trick noses. I had to send some to the CDC for testing by still had most bear meat, and I smoked one of the bear hams. So we got sick off it, and we knew that this thing had eight hundred and sixty eight larva per gram. In my brother. I had signed up to bring a dish to pass to my brother's rehearsal dinner for his wedding. And I was like bringing the smote bare hand, and then I'm like, man yielded smokey bear him. I was going to bring turns out, and I told him about what was wrong with it. And he said, well, don't tell anybody. And I thought I was like I can't not tell them. I have to tell them if you're going to tell them don't bring it because the minute you tell them that this has all this larva living in it. You're gonna make all the other food. Suspect way, no going gonna trust anything you say at that point so net case, I again was I was incapable of doing like the lie. Even though I cooked one hundred sixty degrees. You did the right thing you think so I do I feel like I chickened out. Gimme a what's going on? Oh, dear. Do you wanna get into zombie? Dear. Kate quick poll. Actually, let's do a quick poll. Now that we know for a while it came out for a while everyone was all hot and bothered about this piece of research that some some researchers in Canada had taken McCall. That's how you say that we're macaque macaque monkeys. So some researchers and candidates said, oh, we gave some macaque monkeys CW de infected meat and the monkeys contracted CW. De turns out. That's not true. It was they never they didn't publish it. It wasn't peer reviewed won the National Institute for health looked into it. That didn't happen. I how you messed that up. I'll never understand. But wasn't true. But it really got people excited. Another case where someone was doing a fundraiser. I think it was at a fire barn like a fire department fundraiser, they serve CW accidentally serves CW de infected meat to two hundred people. This is seven years ago. I. Believe roughly seven years ago. Eighty seven of those people have agreed to be monitored. They've been monitoring them since nothing yet. There's no known case. There's no known case of human contracting CW d so the two things two points. But there are manuscripts. This is such a sticky subject. There are people who remained imagined. Most of you people who remain like, I definitely want to know more. I'm not gonna get hysterical. But I want to I think that the scientific committee. I think we should be investing money to learn more about possible transmission. Then there are people who have already made up their mind. There's no risk whatsoever. If I I want to go to my buddy Doug's place, he lives in the see WD area, and I wanna get me from like ten CW positive deer. And I want to go out some of their spinal cord, and I wanna take some of their glands. And I wanna make burger out of it. And then I'm gonna make patties they wanna meet total CW denier, I will cook that burger and I'll lay down its plate. And if that's something bitch eats that burger I'll be like now, let's talk. If they hesitate, but I'm like, we're in the same boat brother like that burger makes me nervous. So never mind. The burger never mind a blend of twenty whatever if you had it you get a deer comes back. See WD positive. Yes. Would you eat the deer not not eating not eating? No, no, not gonna eat it. I don't know. It's sitting my freezer for a long time. Yeah. That's a good point. No, it's not no don't eat it. You're not either. No. That's the answer. The answer is no don't eat it. I it just sucks. I have two toss that dear. I feel like I'll put I'm going middle ground. No, no. There's no way out. I I would not give it to my kids. But I would have a very very difficult time, discarding maybe I would just keep it in my freezer and look at it. Just serve your mother in law. Like, an here's your here meeting. As horrible. I wouldn't do that. Cindy, we love, you know. I wouldn't do. It is scary. There's a couple newsy things I wanted to get into. But. Couple of hot button issues. But this is going to be the one that it terrifies me. I don't worry about. I don't worry about the resource impact. Meaning I don't worry about like keeping up at night about reduced your numbers from C from CW. I'm not worried about it's terrible that happens here. Here's what I'm saying. If somehow some Nisshin all knowing being could come and say, see WD cannot and will not be transmitted to humans. I really I would never give it another thought. I would kind of lose interest in it. Like there are people who are like, well, what's it going to mean for deer numbers? I just feel like it'll it'll just join the list of all the other damn diseases that sweep through deer herds down wipe them out. And then they come back, but the food that the idea of hunters getting sick from venison is is just a up setting gut wrenching bought the coolest thing in the world becoming somehow not cool is a heartbreaker. And I don't know at this point. I don't know that anyone can really say anything more than that. I would add that it's happened. It's happened. We haven't had the confirmed case of a person contract and CW WD from eating infected deer. No thousands of Iowa eaten, but we have had already. The culture around dear being compromised by the existence of that disease. And I, you know, I'm speaking about this from the standpoint of a guy who was in grad school in Madison Wisconsin shortly after it was discovered in south west, Wisconsin. And watching the way just my own circle of friends over the course of the last ten years the way that our conversation says have evolved around deer hunting in that part of the state those impacts are already occurring. It's it's changed. You know, if you if you're thinking about. Where do I wanna spend my precious time away from work when I've got a couple of weeks of leave time to spend over the course of the year, and I wanna fill my freezer don't want to travel and hunting an area that I know in love and have hunted a lot, but has CW dear maybe try to find another spot to hunt. And it makes it real hard to want to go back and Huntington area where you might you know, you've got a coin toss as to whether or not the do you kill is going to be able to be something you can feed your family. So if you look at all the culture around. The activity the land ownership. It's just a it's a very real, very sad state of affairs. And even if we don't have that example of a person getting sick from it just the risk of that. I think is already compromising the hunting culture, and it frustrates entered your head. Oh, it's under my head. And to see the inaction that has persisted frustrates the hell out of me, man. I think now exactly half the states twenty six states, Texas. Not right dates. We have right. We do have a no it's pretty it's pretty was Anton smaller areas twenty six is a little more than oh. But I mean, it's like I feel like I was like twenty four and then two more of this. You're somewhere around there. Yeah. In Texas has there's a small Corentin area and Bandera south of San Antonio. And then in west, Texas, sixty six confirmed in Texas. Everyone in here who would eat a C WD positive. Dear who that's a good one say. Yup. Just five there's five in here. They would eat your burger you got. Oh, you got enough I crazy spinal cord bird. But just like by live node burger. Just like, I I'm like, honestly curious. So if you would just a nice home. Yup. Like if you would eat a C WD, positive, dear. Okay. If you would not. Well, you're not you're not doing the nice clean. Yup. Oh, I hate it. I don't want to I. Caesar what that. Then be. I'm not familiar with the parliamentary procedure oh parliamentary procedure. Oh, you don't real quick? Did you know that I was reading a guy was a guy wrote in saying that radical pigs is part of the e u new world order domination plan. No. I did not hear that dude. It was a fast. He laid out a very fascinating case, we're gonna move real quick. So now, how do we going to pick our person? Ooh. Free play that. Yeah, we best it up. We're gonna play. We're gonna play seeing through the bullshit where someone has come up. They're going to be presented with two lies in a single troop Reinecke Halbe. You got to get. You got to get one just grab someone. So we don't really like select something early. So we're gonna play and, but I I have a correction to make we played this that we played us that long ago. We played this now Largo, and I we accidentally did we accidentally did three lies. Because we're talking about we're talking about a faith like the deadliest tiger, the deadliest animal ever was the ciampa wa Tigris, and it was a tiger. Who had had messed up teat, some people believe that she had been shot bio poacher Bossard or teeth the tiger then dedicated itself to killing humans and eating humans and this. This is no joke. It's probably more but attributed single Tigris in killed three hundred and fifty six people. And it was killed by a is is screwed up. And we got a lot of heat for this is screwed up and said that guy that killed it. Jim corbett? I said that he was American, but the British people were pissed it was like when I said Sam Houston died at the Alamo. People were worked up. So that's my correction Corbett was British now if you win known out get not if you went was that contestant is here here. J J. Nice to meet you mentioned grab a seat. They all spin you see you can look right in the eye of the storytellers. Okay. We're going to tell you things that are there's one true thing hiding within this. You want? What you want first truth? Okay. Are you? Are you familiar with youth hunting seasons? Oh, yeah. And you are aware of the fact that now, and then a DOE a female white tail will grow Antlers. Okay. Tennessee's youth haunting season. A new youth hunting season record was set in Tennessee by an antler d- dope. The individual who was holding the record prior to this kill has actually contested the new entry because it's not a buck. Okay. So I have a story that we've together bears and national forests. And it goes like this. In the nineteen eighty s. A narcotics officer turned drug runner by the name of Andrew Thornton. Was traveling over the chattahoochee national forest in a small airplane containing forty plastic containers of blow. Coke. The white stuff. He threw okay. He's through. He threw the containers out of the plane donned his parachute leaving the plane unattended. And enroute to the ground. Unfortunately, became tangled in his own parachute. Plummeting to his death. Agents when they went into recover the drugs in his body. Expecting to find fifteen million dollars worth of cocaine some forty kilos. Instead came upon a very dead black bear. The black bear had died of the single most impressive drug overdose. In the history of wildlife ecology stuffed to the brim with the white stuff a knee crops. He revealed the bear had died from a combination of cerebral hemorrhaging respiratory failure, hyperthermia renal failure, heart failure and a stroke. That bear. That bears now stuffed and on display at the Kentucky fund mall north in north Lexington where he'd done the moniker Pablo Escobar. Dan, also, well told all right? So are you familiar with the Lone Star tick? Okay. You only the Lone Star tick in the Lone Star state. So we have somebody else. All right, man. So we have a tick that carries. I think it's called alpha gal carbohydrate, and so when it bites and infects a human goes into the bloodstream, we produce a whole bunch of antibodies and basically have an allergic reaction so severe that. We can no longer eat right meat, so beef lamb, so I'm six planning what the tickets, we're getting work. Yes. Got this tick and recently down in south, Texas, they stumbled upon a ton of their several pilots that were really scrawny, and they started trying to figure out what was wrong with these coyotes, and they test them, and they contracted this disease from Lone Star tick because I can't eat meat. Now, you need help from the crowd. I can go to each one of the storytellers and stand behind him in the cro