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Griffin

Mythical Monsters

44:41 min | 2 months ago

Griffin

"Something to note the story you're about to hear is not a direct retelling of any single myth about the Griffin today's episode draws upon a number of legends and stories from cultures around the world to explore the history of this majestic and fearsome beast. I'm Vanessa Richardson and this podcast. Mythical monsters each week we discuss a different legendary creature from theology. We seek to understand the culture they come from and why they have struck terror into our hearts for centuries last week we completed our series on biblical monsters with the NEF Elim born from the unholy coupling of disobedient angels and human women. The Neville were violent giants who terrorized mankind in the days before the great flood. Be Sure to check the episode out if you haven't already today were discussing the Griffin Part Eagle part lion these formidable creatures commanded respect for centuries today the Griffin is used as a of strength but hundreds of years ago. It's incredible size and power instilled true dread. You can listen to every episode of mythical monsters as well as all other park last originals on spotify the Griffin is one of the biggest beasts in mythology carvings of this eagle lion hybrid can be found in Persian Egyptian architecture dating back to the fourth millennium BC. Since then it is featured in the myths and legends of Cultures Around the globe from medieval Europe to Mongolia the Middle East and India while there is some variation between cultures the Griffin is most often depicted as a beast with the body of a lion and the head wings and front talons of an eagle. Both the Eagle and lion are considered kings of their domain and by combining the two the Griffin's physical form Exudes Majesty like a powerful king it commands fear and respect both on the earth and in the skies above the Griffin is most prevalent in the mythology of Ancient Greece. Griffin's were said to act does oozes hounds I referenced by the Greek. Playwright ESCALATES IN HIS EPOCH. Prometheus bound in this text he eerily warned. Beware the sharp beak towns of Zeus. That bark not the Griffin's and Zeus is not the only Greek figure that's tied to this majestic beast Alexander. The Great and the Amazonian warriors were both said to have ridden Griffin's into battle but the Griffin's most enduring connection in Greek mythology is to the Sun God ancient Greek artists frequently depicted these majestic winged beasts as Apollo's steeds pulling his chariot through the cosmos. It was this association that led the Griffin to become a symbol of the sun as well as the earth with wisdom to match its ferocious nature. During the Persian empire's reign the Griffin was associated with protection from witchcraft and other evil forces for while the Griffin has been revered at many points throughout history. It has also been feared later. Greek tapestries show the Griffin as a terrifying man killer while Mesopotamia an art depicts it as an ally of the devil himself this dichotomy of reverence and fear was captured by the Greek historian. Herodotus in the fifth century BC e he had heard of the Griffin's through the reading of a poem by a traveler named Diaz or a status poem has long been lost but herodotus detailed aspects of the story in text the histories there he described a griffin who guarded a treasure deep in a mine and the few souls who were foolish enough to dare to steal from it. Twelve figures crept through the darkness each clutching crudely-made weapon. Their bodies were like those of men but their faces were not for they. Each had only a single i. They were air mass fiennes one. I'd warriors who live at the base of the mountain and they were here for gold. The DASS the leader of the group felt his way along the narrow cavern tunnel. He gestured for his men to keep following. They made their way forward as quietly as they could manage until at last they emerged into a vast cavern stalagmites and stalactites stretched from the floor and ceiling. Giving the impression of a great toothy mouth Vida's raised his torch and the aromatase Paeans beheld. An incredible sight between the dripping rocks was the treasurer. Unlike any they had seen gold and jewels glinted in the torchlight. There was not a space on the cave floor that was not covered with riches. The Mass Paeans gaped amazed by the glory before there is the Dass was the first to regain his senses. His eyes scanned the darkness looking for the beast he knew was there. He nodded again to his men and urged them to hurry. The aromatase Paeans pulled out large satchels and got to work. They shoveled coins into their bags. Grabbing emeralds and Golden Goblets like fistfuls of Candy. They did not notice a pair of eyes glistening in the darkness behind them. The DASS tense. Does he looked around? A feeling of unease ran up his spine. It traveled into his stomach as he slowly turned to look behind him the griffin lunged from the darkness. Its feathers flashing with the same Golden Hue as the treasurer for the briefest moment. Bedazzle was filled with wonder at the site of the Regal Beast. In an instant that are became fear for this was a monster and it aimed to kill its wings spread wide revealing its muscular lion. Body Eagle is flashed murderously as it clicked. It's dark pointed beak six inch. Talents slashed through the air raking the body of the nearest aromascan as the Griffin moved. It dragged a chain that was clasped around. Its right foot. It was a prisoner and the air. Mass begins. Were trespassers in its cell. The Air Mass Paeans Ram but the Griffin was on them an instant his strong beak crushed bones as his talents ripped the men apart fidesz lung toward the wall on noticed he slowly back away taking care not to make a sound as he watched his men being torn from limb to limb as he neared the opening to the corridor they'd entered from. He took a deep trembling breath. His single is stared at the beast fixing on the feathers that covered its body. A look of logging filled his face. He was so close. The Griffin suddenly looked up from its bloodbath. It's is narrowed as they fixed on. Vida's the lethal look from this terrifying beast was all the DASS needed. He Rab while the Griffin was tearing the Aromatase Biens two pieces a rather foolish. Young men named bounce was standing at the doorstep of a large and well adorned house gathering the courage to knock the moment he did. The door swung open and he found himself face to face with an angry middle aged man. How many times do I have to tell you snarled the man? I will not give my daughter to a pauper. Come back to me when you have something to offer. The door slammed in Honda's face the young man side and hung his head. He had received the same response from his beloved father. Each day for the last few months for a long time Hans had believed that by showing up at the door again and again he would eventually prove his love or at least where the old man down but that was seeming less and less likely every day as Hans stared down at his feet he noticed that his big toe had poked through the leather of his right. Shoe he wiggled it and scowled in defeat as Hans made his way home he was passed by a slew of men. Their faces were full of excitement and they were eagerly shouting something about one. Eyed men Hans grabbed a passing man's arm and asked him what was going. It was the aromatase spion. The man replied the warriors tried to rob the Griffin's mine and it ripped them to shreds. Perhaps now they'll leave us be. The man ran off to tell his kin leaving shocked Hans staring after him. The Mass Paeans had long loomed over small Christian village. They plundered their food. Stores AND SUPPLIES HARASSED. They're women he'd been taught from a young age to fear them. It was certainly good news that they've been defeated but the griffin the Griffin was just a legend or so Hans had thought Hans stayed up late that evening staring at the ceiling of the tiny shack. He called home as a boy his mother had told him stories about the Griffin that lived in the mountains. She had said that it guarded a vast treasure the likes of which had never been seen. Hans side with that kind of wealth he could purchase land and food for his parents and most importantly he could marry his true love if Griffin had killed the mass biens then the Griffin was real and if the Griffin was real perhaps it's treasure was to either way. Hans was determined to find out coming up. Hans goes looking for the Griffin's treasure park asked listeners. I have some big news. Regarding the critically acclaimed series famous fates although season one has ended the franchise still lives on starting may thirteenth. The famous fates feeble feature season two titled Falls From Grace Available. Only on spotify join Carter and I as we return to examine some of the most accomplished and controversial people to ever live. You'll discover what drove these history makers to be so successful in their respective fields and what led to their ultimate disgrace available for free and only on spotify falls from grace will release two episodes a week over twelve weeks. Each focusing on the fame and shame of a notable figure from the Simpson and Marie Antoinette to Howard Hughes and Elizabeth Homes. You'll to a rich variety of impactful stories from every aspect of history there shocking drama disturbing details and all the indepth research that you've come to expect from us and most importantly these episodes are all free and only available on spotify. Famous fates falls from grace is a podcast original starting may thirteenth. Two new episodes released every Wednesday. Listen free and only on spotify now back to the story the writings of the Greek historian Herodotus contain a story related to him by the poet on previous journey in northern lands are stay off encountered a people known as the Issa donets. They told him of a warrior race of one. Eyed men called the aromatase Mass Paeans. These men were in a constant battle against Griffin's that lived in a gold mine deep in the mountains the fact that Herodotus places the story in the north is significant to the ancient Greeks. The North was a mysterious untamed land. Populated by barbarians and deadly predators the endlessly warring Griffin and era mass. Paeans Mirror these dangers. While the treasurer represents the allure of the unknown as the Greek and Roman empires pushed further into Europe and explored lands as distant does Modern Day Mongolia. The unknown north shrank. Many of the people who had once been considered barbarians. Were enveloped by the Roman Empire. There mystery faded and the aromatase Biens were forgotton. But the Griffin remained the half bird half lion beast from Greek and Mesopotamia mythology grew in prominence during the Middle Ages. Griffin's or in countless medieval tapestries and works of Art. They became a fixture in medieval best. Jerry's the illustrated texts that documented legendary creatures alongside real ones often. These compendiums did not differentiate between the factual and imaginary creatures described but there are several historical examples that demonstrate that some medieval Europeans saw the griffin as a real animal. The author John Mandeville claimed to have glimpsed one during his travels in the thirteen. Hundreds and Saint Cuthbert a seventh century monk from England who was widely regarded as a miracle worker was said to have owned two griffin eggs and claws centuries later an excavation of Saint Cuthbert's shrine revealed that these items were actually ostrich eggs and goat horns. But they likely gave him a large amount of prestige during his time. Griffin parts were said to possess magical healing properties especially when they were acquired by a holy person in particular the Griffin's feather was said to have the ability to heal and blindness but the Griffin's biggest claim to fame during the Medieval ages was its use as a symbol of military and political power the lion and eagle or both strong animals each considered a king of their own domain. Perhaps it's not surprising. Then that many a conqueror and would be warlord sought to claim their hybrid as a single the Griffin was emblazoned on coats of arms shields and banners its inclusion was intended to both frighten enemies and comfort serfs evidence that whoever wore it have the strength and right to rule and to protect but while nights kings and holy men were busy using. Griffin's as symbols of Prestige in power many common people began to see them in a different light medieval writers and storytellers depicted. Griffin's as greedy miserly creatures hoarding their riches like the Nobles who wore them on their crests. The brothers Grimm made this sort of connection in their short story the Griffin the tail sees its upon them this beast as the adversary of poor young man tasked with stealing. It's treasure something. Far More valuable than gold homes wandered through the verdant field following the babbling brook. He'd come upon earlier that morning. He was heading toward the mountain where the air mass were said to live. He hoped that he would find the cave of the Griffin nearby but Hans had never been particularly athletic band. He was growing tired as his breathing room. More labored and his cavs began to ache. It struck him that his plan had not been a good one. How was he a popper? Going to rob a creature that had torn a tribe of one eyed warriors to shreds especially when he didn't even know where the creature lived. He was just contemplating turning back when he heard the sound of men. Arguing Hans crept to a ridge line and peered over. Its crest far below. He could see tents and campfires peppered between the trees looking closer. He saw that. The men milling about were not normal men. At all day were aromatase. Peons HANS TREMBLED WITH FEAR. As he watched the one eyed warriors. He thought that it would be best if you left as soon as possible but before he could move he fell a sharp cold instrument pressed against his back. He looked up to find an era mass. Be and man towering over him prodding him with the tip of his spear moments later Hans was dragged into the largest tent and thrown at the feet of the aromatase be and leader. The towering one eyed man listened silently as the guard explained how he'd found. Hans near the camp's outskirts when the guard finished. The leader who was named Va. Dass stroked his chin thoughtfully after a long silence. He addressed Hans in a low quiet voice. I am impressed. Said Videsh you manage to get very close to my camp without alerting my centuries you must be very skilled spy Hans blanched. I'm not a spy. He exclaimed in a trembling voice. I'm just a man. Ah Popper I never intended to come so near to your camp. I was looking for the Cave of the Griffin. Upon hearing these words the DASS burst into laughter. His deep bellows filled the tent soon. The mass guards joined in Hugh Hope to steal the treasure of the Griffin. My Best Warriors entered that cave and got only sharp claws and a fast death. And you think you can succeed where they have failed. You are one small man. Not even a warrior. The dust stopped suddenly. He stroked his chin. Speaking more to himself than to Hans perhaps that is what I needed all along not a warrior but a thief someone small quiet and you did manage to come close to my camp. A smile spread across Vida's features as he came to a decision his eye fixed on Hans once again as he spoke. I will make you offer interloper. Your life was forfeit the moment you stepped within the bounds of my camp. If you wish to win it back you must bring me something in return. My guards will take you to the Cave of the Griffin. You will enter alone. I expect the beast will save me the effort of killing you but if you survive hons nodded eagerly all bring you the treasure he stammered. Let me live and I'll bring you anything you want. Vida's smile spread wider. No he said in exchange for your life you must bring me a treasure that is far greater than gold or jewels. The Griffin's feather anything else you take is yours to keep but the feather is mine. Hans agreed to the aromatic biens terms as if he had any option not to three of addresses. Guards led him to a dark cave. At the base of the mountain Hans trembled as he stared into the darkness. But one look back at. The guards reminded him that this was his only chance if he did not retrieve the Griffin's feather he was a dead man Hans turned back toward the Cave and stepped inside. He carefully moved down. The stone corridor that led to the Griffin's lair using the wall for support as he felt his way in the darkness allowed crunching sound startled him. He had stepped on something. Hans looked down to see that it was a large skull with a single gaping is socket. The skull of an Era Mass Byan Warrior. Hans took a deep breath trying to calm himself. After a moment he pressed forward he walked for a long time until the enveloping darkness and quiet threaten to drive him mad just as he was starting to lose his nerve. He noticed that the tunnel was growing wider. A behead the mouth of the corridor opened into a vast cavern and there was something else a sound something was snoring. Hans peered into the cavern and stifle a gasp of shock. His eyes drank in the hoard of treasure that lay in the cavern ahead but the most impressive sight of all was the griffin itself. It's great body. Lay stretched on a pile of coins fast. Asleep Hans crept toward the sleeping Griffin. His eyes had adjusted somewhat to the dark and he couldn't help but glance down at the piles of gold littering the floor the Griffin was still sleep. He could fill his pocket and a few coins would change his life forever. But if he didn't get the feather his life would be over. He moved toward the Griffin getting closer and closer and closer. Soon the Griffin's tail loomed before Him Hans stared at it in awe it the tail of a lion with a plume of sharp golden feathers at its tip. Hans glanced up at the BEASTS EAGLE FACE EVEN IN SLEEP. It was terrifying. It's muscled lion body rose and fell with each braff. It's vast wings were folded behind it and it's talons were baird. Stealing himself. Hans reach toward the Griffin's tale. His fingers closed around a soft feather and then quickly he pulled. The feather came off easily but a loud snort filled his heart with panic. Hans Dove beneath a gold plated table as griffin stirred. The great creature raised its head and looked around its hoard. Hans was well out of sight and duck down even lower to avoid the griffin's gays then a low rumbling voice filled the cavern. Was it you who pulled my tail asks the Griffin coming up Hans meets the Griffin now. Back to the story Hans was in trouble. He'd left home hoping to find a legendary treasure said to be guarded by Griffin. But it wound up a foul of the one eyed era biens. Their leader agreed to let Hans go in exchange for the Griffin's feather Hans did is he was asked he entered the cave and instead of taking the gold and running. He plucked a single feather from the sleeping. Griffin's tail now the Griffin was awake. Was it you who pulled my tail. It asked for a second time. It's deep voice echoed off the walls. Hans trembled with fright as it shifted on its massive haunches but the Griffin was not looking at Hans. Its eyes were fixed on the far corner of the cave. Hans followed its gays and saw an aromatase spion man cowering in the darkness. His legs were broken. He sat there his single. I filled with terror as he beheld the beast Hans watched as the Griffin slowly stood rising up to his full height. He'd seen a lion only once but he was sure the Griffin was twice as large. Its Eagle Head almost scraped the roof as it approached the aromatase Bien. The one eyed man did not even have time to scream before the griffin lunged Hans ducked out of sight as the Griffin tore into. Its dinner. The sound of tearing flesh and crunching of bones filled the cave for what felt like an hour. Hans cowered behind the golden table shaking with dread. He looked at the golden feather in his hand. He had what he had come for. If he could get out of the cavern now while the Griffin was distracted he might make it back to the sunlight. The mass biens would let him go in exchange for the feather he would be free free to return to his life as a hopper Hans. His jaw tightened. He had come here to change his life so that he could finally marry the woman he loved. If he was to be worthy of her he could not give up yet. Hans thrust his hand into the pile of gold. He filled his pockets with as much as they would hold then he stood and was just about to make a run for the tunnel when the griffin finished its meal Hans Duct Back Down. Behind the table as the Griffin yawned and licked. Its blood speckled. A beak. Then it's sniffed the air loudly. Suddenly alert in a low growl at whispered. I smell a Christian. The Griffin began to stalk around knocking his treasures as he went. He continued to sniff loudly. Hans closed his eyes in fear. The Griffin's rumbling voice came again I am a creature of the air and the Earth? There is nowhere you can go that. I cannot find you with a swipe of its mammoth talons. The griffin knocked the table to the side Hans Coward on the floor now completely exposed. He shut his eyes and waited for the razor claws to rake through his flesh but didn't come after a moment. He cracked an eyelid. The Griffin was still standing over him. It was using its feathers to pick bits of aromatase. Byan FLESH FROM. Its for while still watching him out of one. I curious that I did not hear you enter. You were much quieter than those one eyed monsters quieter but just as greedy it seems the Griffin's tail swung around to brush against Honda's pockets. A few gold coins fell out and clattered Hans swallowed and took a step backward the Griffin had finished preening and now turned its head to watch him with both eyes as the creature took a step toward Hans. His is landed on the chain fixed to its leg. You're a prisoner here. Han said without thinking the Griffin stopped. So I am it growled. I'm sure it is strange to think that something as large as I could be held by such a small chain it is made of Adamantine unbreakable metal. There's a hidden latch somewhere but for all my talents. I do not have the dexterity to reach it. A cruel trick by those who put me here. Hans looked from the chain to the Griffin's face it's cold demeanor had softened slightly. It seemed tired sad. Even it was probably lonely here. Hans realized the Mass Paeans didn't make for good conversation partners. Well if it wanted to talk Hans was happy to let it. Keep doing just that. Who put you here? He asked the Griffin's is flashed and it clicked its beak angrily as it replied the same evildoers that amass the treasure. You see before you greedy beings. They separated me from my mate and shamed me here to watch over there cursive jewels Hans. His face fell he had intended to keep the griffin occupied. But it's words filled him with unexpected sadness as terrified as he was by the beast he couldn't help but stand in awe of it's majesty from its powerful wings to its onyx black talons to the tip of its golden tail. It was unquestionably the most magnificent thing Hans had ever seen but he needed to keep it talking so he pressed further. I imagine it must be very difficult for you to be separated from your mate. The Griffin fell silent for a moment. Hans thought he had made a mistake but then it continued. It is the worst part of all this not the loneliness or the long dark or the fact that I've not felt the wind beneath my wings since before I can remember. It is the hole in my heart. The empty space beside me without her. I might as well be missing. A Limb Hans stared at the beast but his mind was miles away at the home of his true love. He thought of how he had felt every day being separated from her by his own lowly status and her father's expectations he'd been willing to do anything to get her back. Hans was surprised to hear his voice say I could try the latch. My hands are small the Griffin cocked. His Eagle head he snarled. And why would you do that? I am a beast you know. Surely you don't think that I will spare you for helping me. Hans nodded his voice stronger as he replied. I do not imagine you will. But it is not right to keep a king in chains. The Griffin's is glimmered in the darkness as it considered Hans at last it nodded and stretched out its hind paw Hans inch toward the Griffin. He shook as he felt along. Its massive leg and hard talon. His hand touched the cool medal of the cough that surrounded the Griffin's ankle. He fumbled around the chain until his fingers touched a tiny compartment hinge. Hans hesitated the moment the latch was open the Griffin would probably tear him apart but if he was dead either way he preferred that the beast go free at least one of them should be reunited with their true love Hans flicked open the latch and the cuff sprang open the Griffin through its head back with a powerful roar. It's is flashed as it spread. It's wings as far as the cave would allow the griffin leapt high throwing its weight against a massive stalactites. The sharp rock fell and shattered on the ground. Hans watched in awe as the Griffin leapt around the ceiling of the cave sending more stalactites tumbling to the earth. The reverberations built until the very walls of the caves seemed to be shaking. Hondas is widened as he realized what the Griffin was doing. It was trying to bring down the cave without waiting. He turned and ran. Homes ran down the corridor as the sounds continued behind him. Even the walls of the tunnel were shaking now as if they might come crashing down at any moment soon. Hans could see the faint glimmer of light at the mouth of the tunnel. His lungs screamed for air but he ran harder at last. He burst through the entrance into blinding sunlight. Hans blinked and raised his arm over a dozen one I'd soldiers stood before him all wielding crude swords and spears at the front of the battalion. Vida's sat on the back of a huge black stallion. His single I fixed on the golden feather still clutched in Honda's palm. A smile spread across the air. Mass Biens Lips. He turned to a nearby soldier and said. Bring me the feather. Kill the little thief. Suddenly the Griffin burst from the mouth of the cave. The feathers of its powerful wings graze the top of Hans. His head as its soared over him the wings beat once then twice as it rose high into the Sky Hans Vadasz and the era mass peons watched the majestic beast in awe. Then it does the Griffin fell upon the aromatase begins with bloodthirsty vigor. Brilliant sunlight flashed off it's golden feathers as Crimson blood sprayed with abandon era. Mass Arrows glanced off the magnificent hybrid beast as it ripped men apart with its beak and sliced them open with its talents. Hans stood rooted to the spot at the center of the carnage. He spotted DASS on the back of his steed charging away into the woods. He had abandoned his men to the Griffin's Talib's just as he had in the caves but this time the Griffin was not about to let him go vida's was about to disappear into the woods when the beast caught him. He screamed in pain as the beasts. Hooked talons sunk into his back. It lifted him from the saddle and carried him high into the air. They went up and up and up and then the Griffin released va. Dass THE ERA MASS. Byan leader plunged to the earth with frightening speed. His body slammed into the ground with a sickening thud. Hans blinked through the cloud of dust created by Vida's impact. The field was littered with the shredded and broken bodies of the AROMATASE spion hoard. Only he was left standing the Griffin flew over Hans. It's powerful body casting. A shadow on the grass around him. Hans watched as the all inspiring creature flew into the world beyond growing smaller and smaller until he disappeared altogether a smile spread across. Honda's face no doubt the Griffin had gone in search of. It's love now. It was time for him to do the same. He turned and strode away from the cave. His pockets jingling with coins. In his right hand he clutched the griffin's golden feather things. Were looking up the Griffin by the brothers Grimm features the creature in the role of an adversary. But it's hardly a mindless beast while it's undeniably ferocious and far from a friend to humans. It possesses great wisdom. It's notable that in the story. The Griffin is attuned to the smell of Christians. Likely connection to the Griffin's esteemed place in Christian symbolically for centuries the Griffin has been used within Christianity as a symbol of the divine because of its unique status as a creature of both heaven and earth. It's been used to represent Jesus Christ himself to the Catholic Church. The Griffin is a symbol of fidelity. Griffin's are said to mate for life and to not seek out a new mate if something were to happen to there's therefore they're a solid emblem of marital integrity from religion to politics to war to fairy tales the Griffin found. Its way into nearly every facet of life. The lion is cunning strong and brave but also a deadly adversary. The Eagle is no less ferocious but also wise watching over the earth from far above. It's this duality. That makes the Griffin such a powerful symbol. Thanks for listening to mythical monsters will be back next week with a new episode for more information on the Griffin sources. We used we found our stales of pro coney sauce the era myspace and the homeric tradition by Stephanos jato extremely helpful to our research you can find all episodes of mythical monsters and all other podcast cast originals for free on spotify. Not only to spotify already. Have of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy. All of your favorite podcast originals. Like mythical monsters for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream mythical monsters on spotify just open the APP and type mythical monsters in the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at cast and twitter at podcast network. I'll see you next time. Mythical monsters was created by Max Cutler and is a podcast studios original it is executive produced by Max Cutler. Sound designed by Brian Gulab with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Carly Madden and Freddie Beckley. This episode of Mythical Monsters was written by Cape Murdoch with writing assistance by Greg Castro. I'm Vanessa Richardson.

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REShow: Shaquem and Shaquill Griffin. Hour 1 (07-11-19)

The Rich Eisen Show

45:08 min | 1 year ago

REShow: Shaquem and Shaquill Griffin. Hour 1 (07-11-19)

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That's that's got a lot of buzz about it for various reasons and Zion is a major reason why and how the Pelicans have put together a fascinating team in the wake of Anthony Davis saying goodbye I guess when you have a chance to deal with a <hes> a player of Anthony Davis magnitude attitude saying I WANNA trade and it's obviously wants to trade and his agent is a front cover of sports illustrated saying I WANNA trade and I wanted to Los Angeles. David Griffin had had the ability to let the pieces sort of settle and make a monster deal with the Lakers that he was able to turn to other picks and other deals. This Jackson Hayes Man. Have you seen the way he's been balling out in in Vegas at the Summer League. He's flying everywhere and he is rejecting basketball's with ferocity with velocity. I'm getting ready for Stephen and our throw kit you. I mean the Pelicans are going to be a fun team to watch and then he's out now did a player like <hes> J._J.. rettig right veteran leadership shooting. I know so he put it all together. Gather in Lonzo heart favors Ingram J._J.. RETTIG Jerus- Holiday Zion Jackson Hayes we'll see what Keel Alexander Walker looks like so David Griffin is GonNa join this program. I I saw David it at the Super Bowl okay this year. Yes you know how we did our super bowl show at <hes> Turner Sports Studios Right and how we were one on studio down the hall from the inside the N._B._A.. Studio that if you recall the Thursday night of our super bowl stay there I wake up Friday. Morning and people are blowing up my twitter feed. Did you see what happened inside the N._B._A.. Last remember Ernie and Shack and Kenny Charles stormed are set down the hall crashed it right and our makeup room was on the other side of the inside the N._B._A.. Studio Right. We're all in this small all spot. I walk out of our makeup area and who standing there getting ready to go on N._B._A.. T._v. later on in the day as an analyst was David Griffin and we exchanged phone numbers and I had no idea maybe he had an inkling at the time that he would be the entire grocery shopper and the man to put the pieces back together for the Pelicans. He probably didn't know at the time because the Anthony Davis stuff was just beginning to come mouth. That was just right around when couple weeks after our friend McMenamin was walking into a Lakers locker room and Lebron who is coming back from his groin injury saw a piece Nissan sportscenter with the sound down about Anthony Davis and where would he go and maybe he'd go to the Lakers and he asked mcmanamon. Do you know something I don't and that's how it all started and Dell Dem's the general manager at the time didn't make a deal for Anthony. Davis in a lot of folks thought that he was spiting the Los Angeles Lakers Dem's we all know got bounced now. David Griffin is in charge after by the way for the fourth time in his career. Getting the first overall pick any lottery happened three times with the Cleveland Cavaliers and it happened another time with the New Orleans Pelicans so there's lots to talk about with David including him <hes> maybe being available to to be there when my fantasy football draft goes down and chooses who chooses first overall. I don't know if he'd be available to just be there on behalf of me or us. Yes I think it would be free to go to Jerry Cantrell House later on in September number. Why not an August for so he could get saquon Barkley? We would choose most assuredly certainly going to stay away from Melvin Gordon for the moment you don't and again. This is why it's interesting. We have David Griffin on the show Riddick the other day. We talked about the difference between N._B._A.. And N._F._l.. Free Agency and so many people saying why isn't the N._F._l.. As exciting as the N._B._A. Free Agency why can't the N._F._l.. Be More like N._B._A.. Free Agency Agency they have all the eyeballs and interest that few sports leagues ever have why why can't it be as exciting well. We walked through it. It's apples and oranges first of all a there's no franchise tag in the N._B._A.. Hey if the N._B._A.. Had the ability to basically tell their star player you're not going anywhere. You're franchise tag. You get a certain amount of money just for that. How would that work in this free agency period you know durant might still walked because warriors the franchise tag on clay or vice versa they figured out? I don't know that's number. One number two is the N._F._l.. Tells Star players that demand trades more likely than not pretty much ninety nine times out of a hundred with Antonio Brown essentially being the rarity N._F._l.. General Managers Tell Star players that demand trades no and we will deal with the star free agents to be or star player that is on the verge of free agency now. You're not going anywhere. Melvin Gordon is as good as it gets at the running back position saw him the other day at the player's tribune us there with his mom. He didn't tip you off the news yeah but we did talk about how great it is to live in southern California. I mean they're from Wisconsin played in Wisconsin. It was a beautiful night in Hollywood California where the Party took place and <hes> no he did not say to me. You know I am on the last year of my deal and hasn't gotten done yet and if I don't get a new deal by training camp I'm not showing up and if I don't get one during training camp on I wanna be traded is what Adam Schefter reported today. He's on the last year of his rookie deal paying him five point six million bucks which according to <hes> many sites that track this sort of thing puts him in between Rashad Penny and Damian Williams now is point here. Well just understand that Rashad pennies teammates her right in the Green Room. Perhaps listening to every word we say say before they come out here in Chiquita and Shaquille Griffin but yes Rashad Penny and Damien Williams until he got an opportunity with the chiefs after Kareem Hunt went <hes> bye bye and spence aware got hurt. Ya Melvin Gordon means a heck of a lot more has done a lot more and is efficient a running back as there is when he is healthy. He's terrific. He's a game changer. He is necessary for the chargers to win the Super Bowl this year with all due respect to the other running backs on the depth chart there in Oakland in Los Angeles but when all comes down to it in the N._F._l.. Tom Celescu as I'm sure he is working on a deal and he should Melvin Gordon should get paid. I WanNa say this flat out. Melvin Gordon deserves to get his aid as they say in the League he deserves to get paid as well as any running back. Is that good he is that good but if he thinks that being disgruntled and not around the team and letting them try and go through the first few weeks of the season. Let's get out here <hes> UH home for Indianapolis at Detroit home for Houston at Miami home for Denver home for Pittsburgh. Does your first six Los Angeles chargers games this year if he thinks that let's see them go through it with <hes> Austin Eh cler and <hes> what's the name of that fellow L. A. From <hes> North Western last year Jackson he he he he was terrific by the way when he got shot while Gordon got hurt last year and Ecker was in there and <hes> I think <hes> this young man from North Western carried the rock very well as a matter of fact just Jesse Jackson right yeah if he thinks Melvin Gordon God bless him that that the chargers are going to say a we'll Trajan. Hey who wants a game changing running back with far only only five point six million dollars left on his contract for this year and then you you will pay him. You'll you could figure it out. Who wants to who wants to give the Antonio Brown deal to this? Young man who by the way is a great face front player. Will the chargers really on the out so we could so we could you know he's just too much. Just get rid of him but just get rid of him. Give him what he wants and we'll use the draft picks next year after Philip Rivers Turns Ninety in his closing window of opportunity. It's just like this is the difference between the N._F._l.. And the N._B._A. Melvin Gordon's choices will be the following will be the following. Don't show up to training camp. You'll get fine but you know what by the the time that you <hes> we on your long term. Deal by the end of training camp will figure out how not not make make you pay that <hes> but if we don't come to an agreement guess what we won Austin Heckler starts that is the it's going to go yeah thousand percent in the N._F._l.. If this is the N._B._A.. Melvin Gordon would be on whatever team he damn wants to play on. Let's say he wants to go home to Wisconsin. Plan the Green Bay packers right. That's the way it goes if this was the N._B._A.. On the packers by the end of the day so he wants to pull one levy on bell pulled which is stay out for the entire season and deal with it Willie unbelted that you know what I also don't understand why the charges paid him just paying just figuring out the you're all smart people. Why do we need to get? What do we need to get to this point? You know you're GonNa Sign Melvin Gordon. You know how terrific he is. You know what a good guy he is. You know what a good face front player. He is just figuring out. We'll make this kid go through all this stuff. I know it's the business and it's it's a midnight league and deals. Don't get made until twelve o one but come on yeah. Just Jim Twenty six. It's nuts. But that's the difference. I can't wait to ask David Griffin. Why can't you say the word now? What's the difference Stephen a Smith and our number three that will be great R._J.? Hampton Speak About <hes> ah you know I guess going against the grain the norm here's a kid five star recruit doesn't play in college. Basketball doesn't take a whole bunch of offers in college basketball. I'm going to start playing for the New Zealand. Breakers signed a two year deal with them playing an Australian league that New Zealand Linda's with yes New Zealand is part of a couple of teams <hes> Memphis in Oklahoma City playing against both of those teams in preseason exhibition whatever you WANNA call it but he'll get paid and and he's eligible to be drafted in two thousand twenty and here's a young man that's basically saying I'm not GonNa go one and done to in done. I'll just go ahead and <hes> play professional basketball Paul Right now so those are our guests first up are shaky and Shaquille Griffin. They have a book. I have it right here. It's called inseparable as we all know they are twin brothers and they play for the Seattle seahawks. They are roommates. They are truly inseparable separable. They are here together. They were at the espy's last night. I love these guys one of the greatest stories in the national football league and from both from U._C._F.. Where we met many years ago and I can't wait to explain going to them? When we met you? Were there that day Chris Brockman I was there. I don't want to give too much away. I've already talked about on the show over and over again but <hes> the Seattle seahawks drafting Takim to play with Shaquille in the draft to D.. Two years ago from Dallas in the fifth round after she team ran a four three eight forty just like his brother by the way except she came did it for at the linebacker group after putting twenty reps up in the weight and reps room truly one of the more exciting siding moments I've ever had at a combine and they are settling in right now on the rich Eisen show green room couch over there good to see you Chakib and Shaquille. How are you guys doing good late night last night in an early morning today so we're pleased that they're both here their book again is called inseparable? How family and sacrifice forged a path to the N._F._l.? I can't wait to talk to these two guys a couple of weeks before they open up training camp for the Seattle seahawks. That's next we'll get to our poll question eight eight four four two zero four rich phone call. We'll take your calls throughout our Thursday program one baseball game tonight. We're waiting for M._l._B. to get back in the mix N._F._l.. Training camps around the Corner Stephen a Smith David Griffin arching Hampton and the Griffin brothers Shaquille Shaquille and she came when we come back on the rich Eisen show okay. This is a thirty second commercial and I'M GONNA throw a lot of numbers at you but please stay with me and just fifteen minutes you could say fifteen percent or more on car insurance. This company's been offering great rates and great service risk for over seventy five years in anytime you need help you can speak to one of their train. Specialists Twenty four seven the company is Gyco. 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Their brotherhood and friendship is inseparable as the book that they have written is letting everybody know about the book is called inseparable teammates from the Seattle seahawks the brothers Griffin Shaquille and she came Griffin right here on the rich Eisen. Show good to see you guys how how <hes> Shaquille. How is the I._S._P.'s last night? It was fun. It was fun. <hes> the heat wasn't too bad. <hes> member being there last year was pretty hot but besides that the recover was fine and man. We've seen some amazing people <hes>. I've been the best part you chance to meet so many great eight people drop some names drops. Would you got I forgot <hes> who was the first one I can't remember the name. Maybe my brother could came to you. Remember with that might be. Would you meet people. It was a little whirlwind for us. I I mean not only just off celebrities S it's Kinda hard when you've got so many people WanNa take pictures of you in the U._S._A.. Pictures of people like <hes> you don't WanNa beat at person. You don't WanNa be that sometimes see now. I took mental pictures. You took mental pictures hours remember. We never got any kind of take a picture. We never had experience but I felt that last night and then I couldn't get it out. You couldn't no one day. I'M GONNA rely on new pitcher. Keep asking okay <hes> so the U._S.. Women's soccer team combined night wanted pitcher bad as just say some <hes> next time he say. Can you get a picture you gotta go essay seem nobody different agent doesn't and if you should kill Griffin. It's a totally different. I mean you got to look. I feel feel silly telling you guys that you gotTa take advantage of your opportunities. It's kind of silly for me to say that but I mean you know what next time when the World Cup for years you're going to be taking you know that's why you gotta go. Take your photograph. When you get uh-huh? Now I feel bad <hes>. What was your first? She came. What was your first year at the seahawks being teammates with your brother again like I mean world? was that like for you. It was crazy. I mean if I feel like it's just so real when it comes to be on the field together as doing like meetings and practice studying together because it's like you think about this this dream that you just have US kidding me I go to so much to compensate Amazon and then we actually like you still dreaming but we in a moment where we're standing together. We paying bills together and as always is definitely cheaper pam bills together. They meals everything he gets annoying. Sometimes John's but you know the at that doesn't change. What do you mean? It gets annoying. Sometimes you can talk about you know daily you just tired and did he. Just WanNa come your room message. You and I'm just watching Netflix I mean is that True Shaquille. I don't know I colitis. I suppose to be reversed he in my room mess with meat Muslims in oil right now. He's doing his thing so I'm just waiting to go okay who pays the bills have no I know that but who's actually actually opening up the envelopes and sitting down and <hes> gift somebody to help them on my mommy unless you take care of things so I want you to focus on football us okay mom she makes me look good it definitely. Thanks it's great that I'm sitting sitting here with you guys. I got kind of a little bit of chills because I remember there's so many with you Shaquille yeah I remember so many moments <hes> being at the microphone when you video it comes back from the weight and reps room at the combine we see you put up twenty and the whole world was talking about that that I mean that's not an exaggeration mean that the whole world was talking about that and then you back it up I run and what you run the next day at four three eight. That was unbelievable. Now she shaquille. Where were you during that whole pro you just sit and watching it on at home yeah so it was actually my older brother House my whole family they are watching and I'm remember which is talking about? We'll be thought he WHO's GONNA run in. No one gets for three doing guest. We just news fast you know in a a Mirabeau hear someone say well. We had more round four half four five for this guy as soon as he ran for three. We ought tweet as soon as you're in it. I said I guess I'll just a tad bit over its own so I remember tweet. Net Net tweet went crazy but you know I know they didn't expect there. He is I wasted he's going to do he says go ref as he did. It was amazing doing it really she came. It was amazing. And how much did this play into you performing. Well me seeing you the night before and telling you how I was going to run my forty. How much did that inspire you as far me so uh-huh boys you came in stretching? The mice got the same thing. I'M GONNA keep my head in the game. That's right thank you. That's all I was looking in the book. I didn't see anything there. You're not the first time we met we. We we see Jello. I know we have but I don't remember. When was this Shaquille when he came to Michigan? Oh does remember remember how yes okay okay. I didn't WANNA say WANNA say no. No no because I've seen a pitcher I seen as Pitcher pitcher eh looking at your helmet. What I say Oh yeah? This is going to come here. She will come up well and I will do my best to describe for the radio audience. I was the honorary captain that day. Can you put it up on the screen for the here. We go now. You guys is are all shaking hands and there I am tapping Shaquille on the shoulder and Chakib just walk right by me. Here comes the slow motion I am sure. Can somebody shake my hand please. She keeps us like Sia and she killed. Thank you for giving me a little just a little bit at the handshakes. Oh no doubt Grad I did of I do not want to be the one seeing slow walking away so I did. I mean range pay no mind list. This was the guys him gain phases came okay. I'll put blinders on. I was walking and you know the run it one more time there. Is Somebody on the outside. Look there. You go thank you. That's all I wanted. That's all the REF. Shook your hand. Obviously out of shake anybody saying but clearly a member of U._C._F.. One of the famed Griffin brothers would have been good so thank you Shaquille. I really I really want to but I feel she came. I have you know we've we've formed a bomb since extend. You definitely have history and again when you showed up on the set at the N._F._l.. Network the whole family. How many how many members of your family were were there that day? When she came got drafted it'd be between twelve and fifteen? It looked looked like I'll I will tell you that maybe like fifteen fifteen people yeah I I remember now. <HES> can you walk me through Shaquille the moment that the phone rang so she came know that he was being drafted by the Seattle Seahawks seahawks is plenty. He's just watching the whole time and I I guess he's needed a break so he put his phone down went to the bathroom as soon as he left. I've seen it area code the Seattle Area Code. I was like what I said. Nah This can't be so I grabbed a fall and I ah to jump over my niece and my nephew camouflage relaxing at jump over them at the bus opened a bathroom doors. I mentioned he's got a phone. I said he's doing and it's like what what I gave it a fall. He should've watched one about you. Know what I'm sure I can just go back to that later but you gotta answer so he finally answered it. You know you got pekair another Guy John in everybody and I don't even go anywhere is that actually. I don't think I did very short Combo. Listen sure I got a more. I'm sure I'm sure got emotional. I got you know week 'cause we. We were wondering when this was going to happen but the fact that it did happen and it was your brother's team. She came to get you into the N._F._l.. I mean that that is I mean. It's tough of a book right here. <hes> inseparable. We're books are sold movie TV. I mean that's what this is right totally and so <hes> did you not know Shaquille the Seahawks redoing they tip you off at all. No is is is there was no till but I I knew you know no love respect no for my brother and you know just going to watch him. No he cared herself everything they have done in <hes> so that was the best part about it. I just remember you know before right before the draft was about to start in John. Those guys is you know came this huge like just tell your brother that we love him a lot and just enjoy his moment notice. Some that doesn't happen twice inau enjoy time with your family and just know we love him over here. In <hes> just enjoys experience so it was no till bill is nothing we AUTY Cup it. You know business casual so it was it was just as surprising to see it happen as it was for him. She came and she killed Griffin here on the rich Eisen show together inseparable how family and sacrifice forged a path to the N._F._l.. Is Their book where books are sold <hes> <HES> <hes> she kill you have blossomed into a terrific corner in the National Football League your thoughts however on your work being instant replay reviewable this year potentially. What do you think about the new twist if you will that DP and Opie I by the way are both reviewable this year <hes> I actually I actually pretty excited for you on? I'm actually pretty excited for that one. I feel like the Games will be tablet longer but I feel like it will it will save you know defense no speaking for the defence out of the ball in you know defensive backs it will it will save you know a lot of issues that have come up and you know don't get me wrong has been really tough. 'cause you know as every call is not easy for a rough to be decided and now that we get a chance to really slow it down and kind of evaluate. Now I fly. He's going to help the game a lot more. It's a lot of games that we can go back in and speak on that. Some people still may seem like something should have been called. Oh but now I get a chance to slow it down actually look at it so I feel like a lot of games. Would you know go a little differently. It's interesting because you know your head coach. Would I think like to do away with replay. Just say out all of it so you're taking an opposite point view because I made me speaking mainly for mice. I know I know Econo- situation. I don't mean to make it like you know your your coaches one other thing at all. I'm just saying that there's obviously varying viewpoints and the fact is well that you you could kind of call it on almost every play so you like the fact that that microscope might be on you as you know because I feel I know just relying on my technique. I feel like I'm playing the game pretty clean but I go against receivers who kind of get away with certain things Hang Seng in that happens but <hes> nowadays it could be a really close game. You may need to replace so I'm looking at it that way like I said those replays could actually save a game getting you could also by the way if there's a flag thrown own on you for Defensive Pass interference for instance and they look at the play again and they see a receiver pushing off you they could put a flag on the field for offensive pass interference because anything when you open replay anything that's reviewable can be reviewed. No doubt an OPIOID is also reviewable. It's going to be knots is GONNA be crazy. A lot is going to kind of figure everything out. It's going to be so many. It's going to be a lot of college. I know I share the first couple of weeks is going to be as you know the first time I'm trying to figure it out process yeah yeah no doubt about that at least is going to be different and she came. What are your goals for this year? I mean what do you what do you every down are. You won't be laying every down guy nine now pretty much. We're looking for here or the most while. I'm just looking at it the best team mate <hes> you know just getting chance the rushmore <hes> this year get a chance to kind of feel myself a little more. I mean just this past spring. <hes> during our conditioning coach is really happy with how far came in this this being able to come off the air as much more than the make plays <hes> as the coaches are put me place for me to create more opportunities for myself so I'm I mean I'm <unk>. I'm so excited for the season. I'm excited to see what's going to happen and whatever I can do. I just WanNa make plays for the seahawks. How about <hes> metcalf talk about big do? Did you see <hes> Pete Carroll. Take your shirt off. Did you see the we Europeans realized too. Did you see that scene it. He takes his shirt off. I forgot about muscle all over. He knows Pete with us. That's got to be careful. Guard swung yeah anytime decay the more I thought this is this is actually like a walking statue. Yeah you can put Pete in front of store like a mannequin. I had no good I know and you won't talk about somebody. WHO's just putting it out there? Repeat was yeah he said all of that setting example right always compete. That's what he says right. I did the idea of stop and not you're not talking about metcalf. You're talking about K.. Metcalf is like you know the human bat soup right Pete Pete like Batman and Robin agree with p Ben Ben being the Batman Right Okay I. I totally understand that <hes> so what is why. Did you guys decide to undertake this book before I let you guys go. <hes> you know my tons of stories so many times you know it's it's pretty much everywhere aware but I feel like it's so much more to besides just when my brother had been through a wet you know we've been together for like this book talks more about no family faith and it's not just a football you know telling book it talks about you know family and mom and dad making tough decisions at early age. <hes> you know for him in US it talks about you know drawn up. Make mistakes and people deserve a second chances in our for like that book it comes everything so it could get predate emotional. You know you see the cover you see a smiling but it's so much more an uneven just though smiles because we actually been through things you know we've seen a lot we've been through a lot and now you get a chance to actually go in. Look deeper and see I was raised and see the decision that was may that help us get to where we are today. You know the best part about it. You know we had we did make mistakes but we learned from it and we put those things in the book so you can count that really understand who we are and will become from not that that's the best part is now just about fooball. We want to be able to reach a different audience. Not just you know athletes and want to be able to reach the MOM's dead parents brothers sister their love and it reached the people who belied and make mistakes and they can't bounce back from it so we want to be able to reach everybody so we don't just inspires try to spy million shot to be able to relate to everybody. You guys are awesome. I mean seriously do the the message that you guys convey through family and obviously football is it's really second to none. It really is. Do people even consider you an adaptive athlete anymore. She came to think <hes> I don't know I mean for the most part is me just doing. I'm doing <hes> just satanism anybody. I'm in and everybody I don't feel like a person who's just definitely athlete and I think for me. Is You know me being able to care myself. That way is going to show the anybody feel like they are athletes that eventually Ashley Daily. I wanted to be seen as athletes. We all Wanna be seeing that just athletes and you know in our generation now as we keep going. We just got his his keep. Motivating keep pushing ourselves. Keep becoming the best us in eventually is number is not going to be just she came. Given an athlete is from the athlete well. It's just great to see you guys literally inseparable <hes> that's name of your book <hes> despite the arguments I guess over in interrupting net flicks by just yet during <hes> <hes> you guys accusing each other of being that I'll be honest. It does seem like you might be guilty of it Shaquille than than that. Thank you that said when somebody extends their hand to you to shake it you actually shake it came Griffin. We'll just keep well below right by you. There's video evidence of that is their right. Is there okay I feel like we should hug it out like we should hug it out. Regardless handshake it out we could we could. I don't want to recreate that she keeping IRA great we're cool. I mean we I mean we're cool after the the combine in the draft and and all these other yeah we we stretch we stretch together. We did do that actually one point <hes> <hes> it's great to see you. It's great to see guys handling Your Business and handling your fame and handling your family and handling everything just like his great as you are so congrats on the book and thanks for coming in here you guys are welcome here anytime fishing zone and tell Pete I said Hi until Batman I said actually on twitter and Instagram is that Shaquille and cheeky ms at Chakib Griffin on twitter with an underscore between the first and the last name on Instagram at check out inseparable in a bookstore and we're all books are sold when we come back our poll. No question phone calls and more before R._J.. Hampton and David Griffin of the PELICANS will join us in our to stay tuned for sixty seconds A._B._C. News headlines Right after this podcast our poll question brought to you by man versus food on cooking channel. What do you have over there Christopher all right? Here's what I came up with Stephen a Smith yes our number three games coming on an hour three s who is the biggest star with an initial in their name initial in their name all right up off that my top my head will be Samuel L.. Jack Samuel L Jackson Michael B Jordan. Okay Michael J. a Fox and Stephen a Smith forgetting anybody. I John F. Kennedy well. I mean okay okay interesting choice. This is what you're going with the question that we came up with yesterday while we were. I mean I do like that but I don't want to remind people that there's nothing going on. There's stuff going on but in terms of live sporting events that would create something to talk about few and fired ferrers. They're few and far I mean there's there is the summer league summer. League stuff has been fun to watch. I Will Say yes but Shutting Zion on down took my interest level of that. How about this? There's Wimbledon see you've got Nidal and Federer tomorrow morning tomorrow morning. Serena Williams just advanced to the women's final Bilan relatively quick order order choosing the women's Sh if she wins Wimbledon as the seven seed by the way she would tie Margaret Court for most Grand Slams of all time twenty four the goat Serena Williams six one six two made quick work for opponent today against streets of I got that named for You well done. Thank you. Thank you what she'll she'll say Simona Halep in the final you go on Saturday. I'll never forget when so so Serena started her career ninety five. I got to sportscenter ninety six. It was Venus this Venus that that's all it was it was Richard Williams father of Venus Williams from Compton California. That's what it was and then Oh yeah here comes Venus's younger sister right and you know kind of like peyton manning had not gotten into the pros yet he was just beginning to become the manning that we all know and then we all know in ninety six was when he ninety seven was the heisman year for Charles Woodson and then he got drafted in the N._F._l.. Any long story short is Serena's just literally literally <hes>. Let's see if she can even compete with Serena. I mean with Venus. Let's not forget the way it started. She wasn't supposed to even be better than Venus. Let alone dominating the entire sport and I do remember one point Richard Williams was vocal about Serena's GonNa be better and are well. That's just Richard trying to hype Williams family sure Aha seven Australian Open three French Open seven William Woman if she wins this championship. That's twenty four grand slams multiple ones after she's had a child right didn't she. Didn't she win one when she was a few weeks pregnant yeah yes open. I believe two years younger than then Venus would be our eighth Wimbledon. It's obscene. It's insane. It really is the numbers are are so there's that there's all that stuff good stuff eight four four four two zero four rich is known about how great our Shaquille team and Shaquille Griffin brothers out greater the tough not to like those guys. I know right great story story describe people. Mom is taking care of the bills you folks football driving each other crazy which as you can live together and I asked him on my column you plan on living together and she came said estimates in the Green Room and she keeps like well. What do you mean like forever? He said forever they would do that forever so great so great and I just hope that they have long N._F._l.. Careers together and it's just a typical of of Pete Carroll. If you compete and you play you get on the field that's it that's how Russell Wilson got on there and has now been paid his aide twice and now he's got elite quarterback hair himself as we saw at the espy's last night. I don't know what let me tell you something. I <hes> I've got a couple of S._p.. Stories I did go to the Post Party last night. We got that still to come next hour R._J.. Hampton talk about breaking the mold he will be here before heading off to I guess New Zealand David Griffin the Pelicans our to prepare to get stunned. 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LeBron's motivation, Melo comeback?, Griffin talks LBJ, Lamar Jackson contradictions

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LeBron's motivation, Melo comeback?, Griffin talks LBJ, Lamar Jackson contradictions

"All right I'm Jason Wind Lot. He's Marcellus Wiley that do this. I want to speak for yourself. The most fearless show in sports coming up. We'll tell you Carmelo Louis Anthony's interview today help them get another shot in the N._B._A.. And one hour from now we'll get into the latest one of the Bron James David Griffin feud. We start today with the bronze future. King James has no shortage of motivation for Seventeenth N._B._A.. Season his Lakers missed the playoffs last season season Kawhi Leonard spurned the opportunity to work alongside him and instead declared war on James and the Lakers by joining the rival Clippers Lebron was mildly criticized for making a spectacle of himself and his sons Aye you games bronze Internet worshippers created the impression that advised him to stay off the court during games. He's is not playing in was akin to being a CO conspirator in the assassination of J._F._k.. M._l._K. and Malcolm X. and Lebron's former boss in Cleveland David David Griffin painted an unflattering portrait of what is like to work for King James Most Damning Griffin said James has lost his animal desire to win yesterday Lakers forward cow Kuzina cried on Cari champion shoulder on E._S._p._N.. Telling the daytime broadcaster quote this off season you you see just people slandering his name and saying this about you know he's been super-motivated this off season working between shooting movies. He's in the gym. He's in the gym early night. Whatever so just be locked in as the biggest thing being ready for it? All are the last time we've seen Lebron served. This much. Motivation was in the aftermath of the two thousand eleven N._B._A.. Finals Dirk Nowitzki and the Mavericks Embarrassed James Lanes in those finals Lebron meltdown was justifiably criticized came back the next year and won the M._v._p.. Award despite playing just sixty two games and he won the first first of his three N._B._A.. Titles I was eight years ago. Lebron was a relative puppet as twenty seven. He'll be thirty five this season. This is rocky three Kennedy fat and Happy Lebron James Restore. The eye of the Tiger E._S._p._N.'s Day McMenamin road a solid piece yesterday reminded everyone Lebron's Ron Jones words backup Griffin's Critique Lebron has stated that he has nothing left to prove as a basketball player on E._S._p._N.. Is More than an athlete Lebron Brag that after he beat the seventy three win warriors in the N._B._A.. Finals that he surpassed Michael Jordan is the greatest of all time abroad is quite pleased with himself. He's angry angry and motivated now will be bored by J ory worse by March will be crystal clear to everyone that the Lakers can't compete with lenders. There's clippers. This is the end of the Lebron James Rule of the N._B._A.. I joined the desks. Now is Fox sports radio host Godly Marcellus. I'll start would you yes. We'll the criticism this off season motivating the broad. I mean you know it is one. Let's just set the record straight. We know that greatness. This is never absent a motivation. He's still great still all N._B._A.. Player we know Lebron James is well. Let's talk about this level of motivation. Maybe we some some additives to this motivation. A lot of people were shooting at Lebron. Lebron finally took notice at least he wanted to address that I am noticing I think so you can have it your way Michael Jordan's way which is a way to the hall of Fame Speech Cry Out and let you know her jaw or you can do Lebron just like I hear you and I'm coming and it's amazing that two things are at play mostly the doing of the media that Lebron James has to understand this is just the nature of the Bee's one is. There's a thin line between love and hate the brawn James last year was ducking in the sun and nobody said the damn thing thank two thousand eighteen. I remember seeing the video live two thousand nineteen all said Oh my God. What are you doing be a father stopped being a celebrity what has changed narrative narrative what has changed a wobbling of the Lakers? They didn't make the playoffs but brought had his first major injury. That's interesting but one thing I learned about the media and certainly media the training one. Oh one is the media loves to build you up but they love it even more to tell you down right now they smell low blood in the water <music> blood in the water but this is why they are so off base now say they because I am not part of this part of Tearing Down Lebron James. I don't think that he's he's done being who he is as Kink. Everyone says Lebron by his own words said I have nothing left to prove he said Yeah but when did he say that after he you WanNa Championship in two thousand sixteen and in the playoffs the two thousand seventeen the first time he said people were running with that what he did the next year first first and only time in his career played all eighty two games and had his highest scoring average in the last decade tremendous uh-huh tremendous postseason they got swept by the dynastic warriors at the time so for all of this to come about a guy who says I have nothing left to prove doesn't mean I don't have nothing left to do so remind yourself so you're talking about or Lebron next year. I think he's GonNa remind us. So is that mean. He's going to win the M._V._p.. Or are they GONNA win N._B._A.. Championship again like what level is she going to prove to us that we we said he was done to sin. Oh that's a question that's first of all. That's absurd or criteria for anybody to say. I have to win M._V._p.. When that's a revolving trophy he's one of four times and then to say he has to win a championship or he didn't do his part? I think the broncos saying look you're talking about me. Watch my game as you watch my game last year twenty seven eight nine like are we really taking shots at that God. There's a lot of fish in the water water to try and get that big fish. Look I mean if you WANNA go by stats than Russell. Westbrook is the best player that we've seen ever in the N._B._A.. Ever triple double three years in a row. No one's done that in the modern history of the N._B._A.. So we can go stats. I mean this is the same people want pick out Lebron injury fair but when he was back they lost to the worst teams in the N._B._A.. Memphis in Phoenix when you pick it they lost Sacramento or teams. That didn't make the playoffs. Those are the ones they lost you. That's why they fell out of the playoffs. I do think to motivate him. I do think they're better better but I think the same flaws that David Griffin pointed out or give me the same laws with the Lakers right you have G._M.. WHO's trying to fit pieces around him? They tried to have control of the head coaching situation where they couldn't get tied Lou. They didn't really want blue but then they had to get title now. You have Frank Vogel. Oh who's never coached N._B._A.. Finals before how long does that relationship last before he sours on it Anthony Davis said in his opening press counters play center. We'll guess what it Anthony Davis every good powerful or the place with Brian James Chris Bosh Kevin Love Plays Center spaces out in the corner so do I think he'll be better. Do I think he'll use his motivation of course course that's what the best to do. I think that ends up in a championship. I don't think it's a flawed roster and I think he's thirty five. He can't do the things that he used to do. At both ends of the I agree with breath much of that I would add this to the thing that concerns me about Lebron's tweet and the promise of ether and this fiery emojis Oh Jeez and you've played with the throne wanted it plays into my narrative that Lebron thinks of himself as royalty and but more more than anything the ether and the appearance of anger anger is not the right emotion for Lebron James we saw after the decision decision in his first year with the Miami hate point and it eighty MUP- and he had to come back the next year and re invest in joy in and and the proper emotion that drives Lebron James again the A._U.. Tape screens. This dude loves basketball and takes a lot lot of joy in it. That's his emotion if he taps into anger. I think it works against him. I don't think he's got Kobe's mentality. Michael Jordan's is mentality. He's got a different mentality and so and then the number one reason why I think it's GonNa blow up in his face is is because what's inside that staple center building sharing with him Kawhi Leonard Paul George Doc Rivers mantras Hero Lou Williams Patrick Beverley Jerry West Lawrence Frank <hes> all that is just going to be too much. He's already a little angry and fills victimized and then he's GonNa be in the same building with what I believe will be the best team in the N._B._A.. <hes> that has a championship coach and I think that's that's going to eat him up and frustrate him because the other thing we've seen when Brian gets frustrated he will tap out he will tap this part of Lebron's aunts history and I think that's what's going to happen. I don't think it's fair to Lebron to say that when he responds in tweet and says ethers coming that at that is anger being shown because I think a lot of times we say how we would feel if we were in that position. I know if you doubt me and I'm still at the top. I'm just remind mode like Oh. All I got to do is do me and remind job because obviously the narrative has gotten away from actual production and contribution so the broad is probably in backside if I didn't get injured last year which is a part of aging it was part of the team construction how he has to play himself and manages minutes. It's but the Braun is sitting there with a ton of confidence. It's not like he has to reach for another wrong to become something that reminds us of his greatness. Just play Lait through play it out and just a couple years ago he was able to play for the first and only time eighty two games. I think Lebron is looking at this situation like look upstairs brought Lincoln Autumn other the guys. That's David Griffin Rob. Pelinka is not going to sit there and cry in anxiety after winning the championship said Oh Lord distresses go get to us. They're going to be elated did in joy because the Lakers brand will be restored so I just think Lebron is planned with different variables in a positive way not like he was. I'm GonNa tell you the variable rebel. He's not playing with that. He was when he was twenty seven twenty eight twenty nine. He's he's a liability defensively. He was ultimate you've gotta choose ultimate Swiss Army Knife additionally look the league is changed the the the idea that you can play ice Oh ball and he'll invite to double team not everything's ball screen and spacey and Paste and space and that's how he plays that's not always ever played so he's caught a little bit inbetween errors in the N._B._A.. A he and he's not the same defensively and look. I don't wish injury on anybody especially when the great players in the history of the sport but when you're thirty five you don't get less is hurt. You get hurt more often right like the many takes longer to come back right anybody like the hamstring growing this year. It's a hamstring next to your gets worse than it gets worse and they're gonNA. They're gonNA need need him. I think it's fascinating you have the arrogance of the Lakers of the king and then you have the clippers were the third ten in their own building. There's no banners up in there at all and you have a guy with championship pedigree probably the best player in the sport and Kawhi Leonard Choosing them over the Lakers like that whole thing is amazing and how they emotionally handle that it's GonNa be fascinating. I I think we're still kind of Miss. The point David Griffin say anything that we didn't already know or think or other people hadn't said and yet. We're acting like it's profound. I guess it's only because now when it comes from a gentleman yes that adds a lot of legitimacy to what others have said. It's more well I think because I I don't know why people were upset particularly journalists that he said it you know as journalists I like for people to be transparent and honest with the interesting things and so so. I don't get why people he better go on T._v.. And clarify I I don't buy that. I think he said it Phil Jackson System things about Kobe. We Brian in a book shortly after working with him that were critical and you know I didn't see it again. Kobe was in a different spot he was coming. It wasn't long after after Colorado and things like that but I didn't see this blind worship of how dare you say there was some problems working with Kobe Kobe human being. There's some problems working winning. Phil Jackson talked about him. David Griffin doing the same thing I I will just go back to again. The bronze personality and I say this as a positive that do new naturally is positive energy and he made misdirected he may what but he is positive energy and if if he tries to go negative energy is not going to work and then I don't think again I I don't mean this is a an insult because there's not he's a positive person. He's not a fighter and I think Kawhi Leonard has come to L._A.. I'm ready to fight. I'm a fighter. I'm personally you want some combat Matt. Let's do it and I don't think that's going to work well for Lebron is I don't think he's ever been challenged. In the way the clippers are about to incur y backed up by Mantras Herro and Lou Williams and Patrick Beverley just the mentality dogs make Italian and a good way. Yes this is Anthony Davidson Lebron there but as you know my favorite sport shrager field is two things you you can't do is get psyched out meaning. Don't lose the race before you even start it and sometimes that can happen laying one Marceau's why lane to you say about all damn so you can't be Lebron looking looking another lane saying over there. Oh God and now Lebron's mental makeup would even let him give him give Kawada M._S. credit second thing you can't do is peak is like just run your own race. I think that the clippers is really going to take too much away from Lebron's motivation or get in his vision. You know why Lebron came here soon as he landed landed has some missteps his home is doing and then they reminded him quickly. This is Kobe town always will be defaced bureau. Everything Lebron was never in the race for L._A.. He never even a fair chance he never gave himself a chance by his own is doing so. I don't think that now that he's going to say I'm a run L._A.. The Clippers are here here. He has basically participated in the whole Lebron versus Michael Jordan he said it's over here. He's participated right and so oh he's concerned about narrative no athlete or you could try to manipulate and control the rich Paul I if we could get in his phone right now to see all the calls he made last night trying to control his narrative and so when that clippers narrative and Kawai and what they have starts taking all that envy and what it will say about Lebron. This guy leads a thirteen to a title. 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Anthony was still without the job in the N._B._A.. Some nine months after getting cut by the rockets just ten games in the last season well mellow is now out campaigning for work showing up for a ride ranging interview with Stephen a Smith on. I take this morning where he talked about this past season and how it affected him saying quote. I felt like I love the game more than the game. Love me at that particular time now. I love the game too much to be away from it now. I got a new life about me. It took me a while to get out of that situation. Ryan emotionally gentleman I was thoroughly impressed with Carmelo. Anthony left that interview filling like if my Pacers hasters if Mima heat or the Golden State Warriors should make a play for Carmelo Anthony I think he's in the right mindset. He certainly the right mindset. I don't think this interview did him any justice in terms of his efforts to get back in the league. I don't <hes> one. Let's just start where we come. Come from as athletes as all who covered the sport impurities forces Ameritech Rec- impurity is supposed to be we know we've Kinda more from we've come between media journalism coverage access athletes brands. Everything is not just how good you are and so we know that when we get drafted we know that it's not just the talent driven choice. There's also other variables so the way you come in golf so they'll be the way you go out. It's not just going to be talent. It's Carmelo buckets ship Cornel B. in the League right now. Absolutely I feel so based on production based on what he can do depending on roll the problem is game recognizes this game and turns a talent but when you have to remind the game that you still have it. I've never seen a guy get that grip back onto sport in his is opportunity wants. This slipped Dez Bryant comes to mind many guys come to mind when you think about once they start writing the story about you beyond your production initially Carmelo even said is deeper than basketball once we get out of that lane of just Carmelo being a great player or good player or at his age and we start talking about these other variables. I think it's impossible to remind sport and the G._M.'s that you get another chance so this won't help him service for some. I don't think it helps them. Nearly as much as you do Jason First of all I spent time with Carmelo Anthony. He's a great guy. Everybody likes Camello Anthony as a person could do to hang sprite right and he's somebody who has a lot of interesting thoughts to share with world not not just about sports and also he's really into filmmaking as well but he he called out Daryl Morey and he never had an open conversation with James Harden. He basically went to Chris Paul and said why am I getting cut. Did you do this so he put it all on Darrow Maury like their mortgage G._M.. He's got friends and he's running out of teams to pick him up additionally. You're right. It's not a mineral boy. I got no problem with anybody. Calling Darrow Maurya continue okay okay I mean I know he's part of little analytics. Click no listen listen I I don't. I don't think he's perfect. I'm just saying it's kind of like Marcel segments about more than basketball you know Oh talk and he's like Oh. He also called out Oklahoma City and didn't like his role. They're like okay. So where do you like your role was the help me out there because I watched the the whole deal. He did not call anybody out in a vicious way no he he took the high road and he put out his side of the story but he harmed no one no but he he did question a barrel more he he made Daryl Morey seem very cold blooded in walking in and saying as general manager. That's a good look. We'll continue I agree but I don't know how that translates into the general manager world additionally like look posting videos on one on cone and and shooting jump shots like look dude. There's a driver. He's desperate that you love. Somebody said he didn't say I'll play anywhere. I'll take any role I will. I will buy in he didn't he can talk all he wants about about. I finally accepted coming off. The bench was really hard for me. Hey Dude can you can you can you go from being mellow. Twenty shots a game thirty point tonight to a man we might need you five minutes tonight and we need you to wave that towel and we've just smacked butts when they come over. We need you to be the trend ended the N._B._A.. Culture and he doesn't bring a one brings something to follow was a guy you could sit and have that conversation with and he would be open to it. It's like Burger 'cause I think he thinks his reputation precedes him and I think he acknowledged US interview that he wasn't in the right a place mentally he needed his ego chop down and it has been and I I'm just telling you I I heard a human being like Oh yeah. This is someone I can reason with. Will he be perfect. Absolutely not no one is but he's in a much better mental space than he was previously and I think where he was mentally was the only justification for keeping him out of the Li. The Guy can get a second unit buckets and give you five ever six. Goodman is why your starters rest now and there's so much desperation in this league right now because of the equality that you can't tell me G._M.. G._M. would be an idiot not to say I wonder if I can get fifteen minutes out of Carmelo and helped me that one percent advantage to get me pass somebody. The point is there's two different elements to it. I not all the teams in the League are trying to win. We agree right no yeah. Those are the ones okay so you got to cut off like ten of those teams. Maybe twelve those teams. They ain't trying to win. They play young player. They play players right now now. What are we down to teams okay? There's there's thirty N._B._A.. Teams and now we're down to fifteen sixteen and he's already played for four or five. They're all out then you have his clothes one of his closest friends Lebron James who had a chance chance to bring them into Cleveland. No thanks had had a chance all season off scenery and now he was in the wrong mindset. No He's not Lebron doesn't in the wall. My Buddy three loves to HANG OUT WITH CARMELO Anthony. No one wants to play with Carmelo Anthony I give but you can't tell me do can't get buckets and I'm just I watch this. I was very impressed and and I think that's the contradiction. He and I say I always defend Carmelo Anthony. We talked talk about yesterday. We went into the commercial break still argued about Carmelo Anthony Ana meritocracy which sports maybe used to be yesteryear deserves to be an M._B._a.. Eh but what story line once narrative West reputation once these G._M.'s and their their their relationships start to be a part of that equation it <music> gets blurry and coaches always remind us in the locker room. This is not a birthright y'all is privileged and as soon as you lose sight of that privilege guess what is going be hailed to pay to get back to this place and there's a flow. There's a current as we all know as a player that you have to stay in it. You gotta stay with with a professional athlete. It's not the best athlete was best. Actually they will go to my neighborhood and grab of five other guys who were better stronger faster but they grabbed the guys who stayed the lyman with their float at current once you get out of it good luck trying to swim against it good luck trying to get back into it and that's what I'm saying I have not seen examples of a God who goes out with a testimonial and gets his career Beck and it's unfortunate what is trying to get his career back. Though which was you're saying he's trying to get back into league. He wants back in the early in the play basketball and I believe it's a I do this to me. Sounded like someone who's really benefited benefited from some therapy and some self reflection and has a level of self awareness and that I think is rare for people that have made two hundred under fifty million just from basketball the guys probably made another hundred million elsewhere to have that kind of self awareness and to be able to go on and sit down with Steven Naismith who who also Stephen Awesome job with the interview but to sit down with him and carry their for our and ca stephen was programmed him and hitting with some tough questions he handled it all. It's everything I would wanna hear from Carmelo at this point and I'm just telling you things are so close in the N._B._A.. There will be a G._M.. There will be coastal. Carmelo might be ready to take these twelve minutes. I got to offer who he played for the thunder. They wanted Navas Golden State Warriors. They wanted me. He's in a different place doug. He's not the same guy everybody's in a different place when they don't have a job and they get back to being the same as what what has to happen. You can't talk your way back into this. Look look. I think his way out of it in my who know we don't know what those actions actions were. That went with that talk. We know the story of it but we don't know the Actions Dated Day interactions. Here's the thing Phil Jackson said it. I think a lot of GM's and coaches subscribed to it. There's nothing being more difficult than coaching a superstar at his aging yeah now. This is a superstar that is as and I don't know if it's impossible but coach is GonNa look what's in the draft. What what's on the chopping block? WHO's going to be out there without the ego without the reputation? Give me have me ask you let me ask this. That's what go out where the rockets damaged by bringing him in they weren't they weren't because again and you gotta understand not to pay that much. You can get rid of him easy and I'm just to anybody watching this interview. I'm sorry you gotta be impressed with this. Dude and you have definitely not bringing me. We can dusting if it doesn't work. It didn't didn't hurt the rockets. They were still right there in the western conference finals so there's no downside boy did hurt diedhiou now. They didn't get a good start because James Harden wasn't healthy right and fairness but like look to be. I don't think people under this is like the conversation of Kapernick is a backup quarterback in the total different middle space incapital well. I I would agree based upon the fact we haven't heard from Colin cat. We haven't seen him. We haven't heard from him but it's the idea of to be a backup quarterback like the reason Matt Shaab. I don't even know to last night. He was in Cylinder League because that job is specifically to get the starter ready to totally change and to be a bench player in the N._B._A.. You don't just have to come in and get buckets like look. He's is going to have to play the four he never wanted to play the four. He's going to have to switch on ball screens and guard. Somebody can't guard anybody. He's a mid rate like his game is also something from the early two thousands it doesn't fit with today and so while if it's a pickup game can he is he a better player than most N._B._A.. Players Yeah but Bruce Bowen we play pickle ball with him at cal State Fortin and he wasn't one of the best players in the court but an N._B._A.. Game he did exactly what he was. <hes> do what you gotta do. You're forced to yeah just this week. I spent four thousand thousand dollars and put a hat a stairmaster that apartment. What am I in this morning? I was on it for twenty minutes. I didn't WanNa do the whole we were down the codex with locking Wiley. We're joined now by Fox Sports N._F._l.. Analyst analysts Greg Jennings former pro bowl linebacker Lavar ARRINGTON. Let's move to Pittsburgh where a lot is being made of the new look steelers who seem pretty happy to have a fresh start after the shipping. Some of their bigger personalities like Antonio Brown out of Town Big Ben in particular seems a static about being free of the distractions saying quote. I feel like like I love football again. I don't know if I can put my finger on a particular reason. It just feels that way. That's how he's the town. I like this comment. I have no issue with it. He doesn't have to Babysit Antonio Brown and they you don't have to deal with the lady. I'm bill contract drama so big. Ben Loves Football Getting these happy Oh yeah he's abby and it's funny. Longtime beat writer Jerry Dulack her been sadist and he's like been I was here last year. You looked happy last year like you love football. There and he's like no no this is different. This is more and he's like why radio silence now. This is my thing. If you're GONNA pull out a gun. Just shoot man come on big band. We've been there. We all all part of this fraternity. We don't godless posters to say names and numbers he's like I don't give a damn. y'All costs about outlaws. I get that name and number who did it who said it and being pulled us out and didn't even want to shoot this is A.. B. Is so easy to see come in like Ben the Lake House. All of a sudden was opened again in the schedule opened up and be happy A._B._C.. Look Satan just why I can't put my finger on it. I got my finger on it this far. It's an Oakland right now so miss me with the moment go look at the saying goes same thing make you smile make you cry rice. Ain't they make you make you make you cry. This is one of those situations he has taken a shot at both of them may bell and Brown <hes> reality here is is that when you start to put those type of small quotes coats out there my wife Said and then throw Ju- Shuster in there and so now it's a direct comparison by position the reality of it is is what's their record right now. Everybody's a champion undefeated. I got to say everybody's undefeated right now. So you can sit there and laugh and smile and Kiki about it run to the fifteen fifteen and play pitching cats do but what happens now is the minute they start planning them games. If they're not getting results they're looking for. Don't don't don't think that these types of coats aren't going to resurface and become a topic of conversation. I'm where you're headed is where I'm going. I don't like it number one because I've been on this side of it and I understand that whole quarterback that talk where you leave everybody's mind to just wonder and fill in the blanks. I don't like that. We know exactly what you're doing and you're taking shots but the reason why I don't like it is because number one been Ben. Rothlisberger has never been one to own it. He's never been one to just own it. This is going to make him This woman there's the old man Israel so never felt like my toes curl up Sasha we ever had never been having his toes curl. I don't know why toes curl exactly. He's telling you aren't there phases. Don't you through depression like maybe he's sitting there and really in reality. Maybe he's upset that Antonio isn't there. I mean sometimes when football football again and he's like sometimes we a headache but I want to let you know I'm doing well you break. Are you talking about a divorce. You get that divorce what you going on your social media post and sell fees and other. You want that other person to see that you don't well yeah not really be doing well. So here's the real you might not be doing well in an ESA point. That's that's why I want to know. I wanted to collect. All these starts because you guys are hitting it but we are dancing Mike Tomlin communist referee in this one it right now. He can't do anything because he's like. That's that's below the belt but you know what I'm GonNa see what he does and we'll see what we do now. We know in camp man even though it's can't we still undefeated champions. This is our year right and adversity hits. We'll see what happens. Mike Tomlin went out this week and talked about ownership ship and they asked him about big big as a leader and Mike told us that this was coming might say Beng needs to be himself. That's all I ever asked of them. Just just leave your own voice and you talked about it. Ownership Ben and Mike is like we'll see how this plays because you might not be when we just got rid of their and you need need to own that so right now. You can't even own why you love the game more this year we already off to a bad start and I know Mike Tomlin somewhere sitting there like I play they might put him on his sitting there just as happy as being 'cause he ain't sitting around worried about no is really going to be here for practice he is is he going to be film and stuff in the locker room is are we going to be dealing with all his off the field issue we're going. We're going to win games last year. They didn't make the playoffs but I I was on that side of where when I left Green Bay and I chose to go to Minnesota and I was entering into an atmosphere in a quarterback a wide receiver relationship with Christian ponder in previously I had Brett farve veneer and Raja now everything that I was saying was man. Christian looks great all he has all the tools all the skills and everything that I need in the quarterback but in the Backhoe Mama. I don't think I'm looking like man. I hope he devoted this because you know he's not these guys right but I gotta put on because I want. These guys feel like or see that I made the right decision yeah. I'm excited just being honest. You want people to know look. We're good. I'm good. We're regardless of how truly oh you and good news on the field perspective. I knew I was going to struggle yeah. I knew I was going to talk. Let your happiness was coming up when Wylie LAVAR ARRINGTON back time to get anti SOCI- hit Dinello get with the raiders wherever since Jon Gruden was hired as head coach rumors had been swirling Derek Carr isn't his guy will car. Maybe trying to win over because it was confirmed. They bought a house in Vegas right next to Chucky. Hopefully car will be sticking around as Q._B.. That's going to be one weird awkward housewarming Party Guy Eh guys things are good idea terrible terrible. I mean because Jon Gruden and quarterbacks man he he wants them all. He's going to regret this decision. It's a a little teacher's pet in there. You know here's my apple. I'm living right next door to you but if he's a neighbor like a neighbor I'll mess with my neighbors. Don't come on my house. I don't even know them. Qaddafi culturally speaking this is different culture that you mentioned apple. You know what's going to happen here. Always GonNa have line trees and stuff like that growing and coaches your. He's WanNa make sure his guard your yard and Clint. Everything's GonNa be manicured perfectly. It's it's a great move by Mister Car boss down when let's see nobody that has control over my future right next door to me unless I'm the one in control the when I leave home all right sticking with the N._F._l.. Rams all time leading rusher. Stephen Jackson has officially retired WANNA go out the right way earlier earlier this week. He decided to sign a one day contract with the rams and got one last case legal retire with the team. You started with well. The daily Jackson looked a little too fast during this final carry because outdoors N._F._l.. N._F._l.. Cinema random drug tests Jackson tweeted out during N._F._l.. Can you tell us a Lombardo that I signed a one day contract. I will not be reporting from my random drug test screenings. Thanks in advance Jackson Place. It's twenty fifteen so you think the league is trolling here. No I think legitimately speaks to the randomness of the drug testing testing policy that ran so random. They made sure that they did it on the one I believe is random. I've always I like eight eight years. Only got tested wants to do one year like eleven and I was bad that year so I was like what I'm doing I think is random but I think it's also funny you yeah no. I think it's interesting 'cause we are looking at the way he ran that football to me. It's crazy how unathletic we can start to look some of us when we don't play anymore. It does look the trying to run that football. That's how they don't WanNa make a mockery of the game so they said we're going to stop people from jumping out what they're trying to run the football dorm. Practicing trading is bad for business. Let's say drug testing wasn't shot. This was a shot. It was nothing random about it. I don't mind it. Though I mean I mean it is what it is doing question of the day it's taken away all right so woodlock took a lot of backlash on social media for your comments on the Bride Ah specifically from the black community so I wanna ask you guys as Black T._v.. Personalities have responsibility to hold your tongues speaking on the Black Star. I want to clarify clarify one thing. I don't think I've seen a lot of black clash from the black community. I think I took a lot of black clash from twitter's alleged black community so I think that's completely different and to be no. I'm a journalist and so I'm just going to speak the truth about whoever it is when I was in Kansas City and cover call Peterson Marty Schottenheimer adding Heimer Roy Williams whoever I took a lot of heat from white people why he's on Marty. Why are you so hard on call penalty? You must be racist now. I'm a critic. I'm a journalist list. That's what I do yeah. I do favors if I don't keep one hundred no matter who you are because one. I'm doing it with a spirit that I'm trying to either the educate help or just give you my assessment and if I'm incorrect hey I'm right here. I don't talk about the actor I talk about the Act I talk about what you give me and that's it and I don't try to go any deeper into your world but I do feel as a black journalist black man black football player that at times I must inform formed those who are not privy to know some of the details of my culture my experience my background so whatever that may lend itself to at times when when I see there is a divide and maybe the bridges ratio understanding then I will respectfully tell them from our perspective for me <hes> you know I I think that sometimes I think more or process a little different when I try to answer a question that I know I'm going to be controversial because it's someone appear or they have status and they are African American. I tread lightly because I understand being in in that position. So I come from a level of experience. How would I feel if I watch one of my peers or counterpart or colleague or whatever journalists analyst that looks like me talking about me and they understand the struggle because it is a struggle it is a climate it is it is something to be said okay when you however however you get there when you make it to that pinnacle and I think we have to lift each other up because we we see others tearing goes down already so that's just my perspective but however I'm going to give truth? I'm going to be fair but I am going to slightly look at it from from a different Lens because I have experienced in that space I leave. It allows them white people to do the same but go I don't I don't I don't mind that I don't tip toe around any type of subject subject matters or topics of conversation because I was raised to be true to myself and true to those who truly love and care for for for me and that I love and care for so I'm not going to compromise what my opinions and what my thoughts and my ideologies are going to be because they're unique and independent to me right so you don't have to get mad at me as a community for my own personal opinion whether you think I represented US correctly whether you re representatives incorrectly in your opinion. That's your opinion so if I'm stayed in an opinion I'm giving you my personal opinion based off of what it has meant to me to be who I am and how I grew up in the things I've gone through in life outlived live and what I've experienced. I've been on the side of gang violence where I've lost family to gang violence. I've been on the side where I've lost family to police brutality. I've been on the side of all kinds of different different things where you could say if you have an obligation to this. It's based upon this. I don't I don't use anything that I do and what I bring to the table and when I'm on camera and in front of the people who are watching us and sugar coated or water it down because I feel like you're doing yourself a disservice you on how you were raised and where you came from and you're also doing those who are watching you a disservice because at the end of the day they're going to know they're gonNA know you as a cure. I'm not the real people die from what they don't know and so when you deny people the Truth and an honest opinion you're keeping them ignorant and you're moving them closer closer to making the wrong decisions and then the other thing. I'll say I mean this as someone who was a Mediocre College Athlete that studied journalism and have a career in journalism. We're in this era where athletes are on television a lot and it's a good thing we want to hear their perspective but we got to remember is it's not they're not here to be true. Journalists a lot of here represent the athlete's perspective and I get it there are others that from my wilpon Stephen a Smith Jason Whitlock to Tony Kornheiser germs and we're coming into everything from journalist with locking Wiley Doug Gottlieb is back with us. Let's return to the Brawn James yesterday his former general manager David Griffin told SL miserable trying to build a team around the Ron and Cleveland. The bron appeared to be responding tweeting quote enough is enough. The throne has been plagued with too much and I ain't for horseplay ether coming soon. Well Griffin responded this afternoon saying when I was speaking about being uncomfortable bill and quote being miserable. It was my inability to deal with that media scrutiny. It wasn't the man himself. It was everything that came with the team live by Lebron James had nothing to do with being miserable with Lebron we had and having faith positive relationship. I was so disappointed appointed that the story really came about me and sensationalize version of quotes that were taken totally out of context the question here is do you think differently about Griffin's criticism after his clarification today and I don't I think he was honest. I I think he was honest in a sports illustrated article about some of the struggles I think he's being relatively honest now trying to walk it back but you you know the two paces out of the bottle. I don't think any different as well and it's is because impart reading the follow up interview from day McMenamin Charlotte to DMC A._M._c. who wrote that Lebron and Griffin had a great relationship they felt Lebron's tweeting out his wife's this company and it really just thinking wow this came as a shock so now we could talk about context was taken out of context with you talking to different spirit than what we read that's it I don't believe David Griffin fully about he him talking about just the noise because this disassociation association between who brings the noise and the noise that comes with him. Let's be real about this. We can't just say Oh man you always bringing all this attention with you and not sometimes sometimes put some of that blame on you and you try to keep that going so I don't like that. I don't like that. He's trying to clarify. I didn't mean anything about Lebron when in reality the if all this comes with Lebron has to be a part of that equation you couldn't have said it any better and then you combine it with what you said yesterday the day before one of the I think version three three of the brunt a you take which is he does suck up all the air out of the room. That's what he does. He doesn't even hide the fact and you're right that your your team is what your who. Your best player is on the court off the court and this is what I've said to you guys what people in the N._B._A. Have told me. Kyri didn't have any problem with playing with the Bron-. It's all the other stuff it was Bronco. The coaches is the Bron- help control his agent represents tryst in represents J._R. and they got a a little bit too much money and then you gotta deal with the owner. Dan Gilbert somehow avoided criticism. He's a big part of the problem are I'm sure he didn't like paying the luxury. Tax Lebron never warmed up to him. I'm guessing the Brown would love to own not just an N._B._A.. Team but that N._B._A.. Team if he had his druthers it's in his hometown so I I actually believed him the first time am I believe most of what he's trying to walk back and explain the second time but I don't think it changes how I feel about the how I how I perceive dealing with Lebron James which is it's not easy because of everything that comes with it. I don't from what I under. I don't see this as much of a walk back. I I see it as a clarification clarification and he's trying to take some of the tone down and make it seem less like an attack the thing where I think he's on rock solid ground because because I think we've all experienced it. If you've been reading written about by the media he's like man. This is supposed to be a story about me and the Pelicans <hes> and what we were trying to build here with the Pelicans and he feels like he was misled because it's about Lebron James or the aftermath is about Lebron James Out Defend in sports illustrated here day. You've got to be smarter than you say anything about Lebron Jane shortly after he just missed the playoffs and there's all this this attention and noise around him during the free agency period you damn well know if there's any quotes about Lebron in a story. It's going to overshadow because the Pelicans are interesting but if you really want to do a story on the Pelicans this focus on the Pelicans sins I on out there David Griffin nail that the the more we talk the more I'm really going to give moves in terms of my support slightly foot David Griffin because it comes house with the territory of Lebron James and now you're trying to act like that. All you were mad about was the media the media and the story now the bronze aims aims because Lebron James Is Is the same thing Phil Jackson was kind of Luton too when he said posse there were a lot of people who have resentment when they went to law school school became agents work their way up to whatever it may be in the organization and then Lebron comes through and say oh these mommy's and they're working on their credentials facebook while they're working on it there in your your office with their feet up so I'm going to do this and solidifying not only their existence but getting credential Pinchot so now people like David who had that long arduous climb or like what the hell happened and they don't want to say that because it has racial undertones only it has all these implications as beyond just merit but in reality it comes with the territory so he's GonNa blame the media but in reality honey hill is your homeys bigger and more powerful than me when I have this title that you I mean you nailed it and that's that's what they tried this year with the Lakers. There was a coup d'etat right their coach. They wanted their players and they got some of it. They didn't get all the Guy Jason Kidd in there but they couldn't get tyler. Who is the head coach they wanna control control almost almost infest the place and to a greater extent it worked in Cleveland considering what they had been before and what they have been since but I think that's what led to his lack of enjoy ability? I will point out that what was an look. I think Magic Magic Johnson period clownish many things he said and done since since he left the Lakers but the day he left he said he wanted to get back to having fun right and what has David Griffin said this is not fun and and and so no matter how much he has taco Tuesday on twitter and no matter how much he sees me having a great time watching his son improve as a basketball player. I think Mike my takeaway is like it's just not that much fun even when you win and I understand that sometimes building is better than actually living in the new house right that that the process is and that's kind of what he talked about and I think that's what he wanted to the article to be about but the picture he painted is one that we've seen a little bit of Miami a lot of in Cleveland and so far or in Los Angeles which is because of his people that he has to bring with him and that's his belief that when the they succeed he succeeds and he's a part of their personal growth. I think it's just not that much your point about this goes on and all industries people getting what others perceive as undeserved opportunity yes it in my industry newspaper writing that I came up and have amazing over the top a passion for I've seen my industry like everybody gets to be a columnist and when I started as a columnist in nineteen ninety four it was one of the hardest positions to earn you had to jump over all kinds of hoop and show so much talent and kiss so much really and do all the right things and then they let you you say European and nobody else got to say their opinion and now because of the Internet and things everybody just in blogs everybody gets to spout there appear in the publicist says Oh that guy is on the same level as Jason Whitlock and Stephen a Smith and Michael Wilbon and Tony and we're I was sitting there like are you kidding me. Are you kidding me and so David Griffin here I think is is just speaking honestly about Lebron and I think the Lebron and his camp should understand stick to their goods if they believe believe in their way and their way's the right way rather than make David Griffin and other people apologize for tell them the truth about what it's like to work. You know what we brought a championship for Cleveland Byles do it right. I Look David though we're not forcing you to apologize. You WanNa clarify because you you really not saying what you really feel so it's going to be a lot of levels of clarification until you just look in the mirror and tell us what that conversation sounds like. Here's the thing Phil Jackson said Posse Pat Riley. Shut it down right. David Griffin said no fun. Magic's dipped in the middle of the night. There's something that comes Lebron. We all well no it won't you tell us what your real issue with with it and I know he is not telling you he wanted credit and he wanted control and this is the thing that divided Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson only gets. I don't think it's control. You know why he said it. He said in article he he said look. I'm in a world where Lebron gets all the credit. Yes who so true this you want from that. I work your whole life case from Uh. He's also from Cleveland Right. This is Jordan to him right. I'm David Griffin so you work your whole life to get to be the general manager of the Cleveland Cavaliers and you. Have you like to pick my coach. We picked his coach. The broncos like no no no. I don't like David Blatt. I okay then I get to at least go. She ate the salaries of no no. No no no. We're going to have my kind of guys and you're GonNa Pay Them X. or they're not gonNA show up and that's just the way it's going to be and so. I don't think that's control. I think he's just WanNa do his job. No no no no you mis misread me credit and control in this attention based society now more than ever walked credit like make sure I get my likes. I give my compliments. I get the upper mobility from this move to control doesn't come from from those under you. It comes from knows on top you. This is what Kendrick Perkins was talking about. Hey Dan Gilbert if you really think general managers in control empower him. You can't look at the players or just say we don't empower him. It's just the title on the door to you. Flextech power he had no control and he got no credit then it became no fun say say that and then we will understand where you're coming from but if you say the media just misrepresent I agree with you on the meeting with you but I do think he's inferring during that and Marceau's I what he said there's no credit to be had in Cleveland because Lebron made all the decisions and all the values that David David Griffin wanted ten steel in the organization where blunted again Doug made a hell of a point today on the heard about they didn't even practice you show Oh me a basketball purist or coach or executive. They want their teams to practice the Bronx. Now we're not practicing. That's not what we do here and so there was no they didn't enjoy the process David Griffin and they just turned into one person. Just now who else didn't enjoy tosses yes yes but again but this this is obviously has his own building of his image to do right right but when Kyrie got to Boston he was blown away when he was by the professionalism of it but professional was everybody showed up on time and by practice together they watch film together and that wasn't how it was in Cleveland and if Lebron wanted it to be that way it would have been that way because he's Lebron James and that's part of the article which he doesn't a- address in his walk back is he talked about the culture of Cleveland and that it was unsustainable culture and your culture's reflection every coach but also the the bigs reflection is of your best player and I thought that was an indictment of Lebron and this year what happened with the Lakers when they fell apart was an indictment of Lebron and Lebron believes and it worked for him though is like hey there was some other culture things that I established that I think were more important than practice and some of these other things because there are a a Lotta Dante Jones come on the show one of the greatest teammates and he'd have bowling night at his house and we do this and that and they did all kinds of team building things that were all oh fun and they all went out and kicked it and had a good time together as a team Halloween parties the whole nine those are the things that are important libra. He's and then on the court he's GonNa do Lebron's stuff and you'll win but coaches executives and others like that's what happened when you leave. We're going to have a Halloween party at going to build and say forget about the Halloween Party with locking Wiley Greg Lavar Errington are bat. Let's move to Baltimore. Were John. Harbaugh spent this week talking about how the Mark Jackson is going to revolutionize the N._F._l.. With his running game well turns out. It's quarterback has some other ideas. Tell Rich Eisen quote. I put on weight but I don't think I'll be running as much as I did. Last year. There were a lot of run pass this option and a lot of sudden changes in last year's game. This will be totally different. I think both these guys can be right hardball and Lamar Jackson but is Lamar Jackson contradicting harbaugh a bit of a Red Flag. No it's not a red flag at all talk about the same book but different chapters and I think Lamar is told you what he's he's talking about last year a lot opportunities at the line of Scrimmage R._P._O.'s last year I feel so comfortable and confident that's what I was calling the aw run this this year he goes see that same look and maybe he's going to pass this ball because I feel more comfortable and he's been working on his arm and his accuracy so they on the same page. I'M GONNA have to disagree the reason being is I was in D._C.. During the R._G.. Three Shanahan we'll call it fiasco or or whatever you WANNA call listen. Those same reports started to come out. I'm a pocket pass and quarterback. I'm a drop back. Quarterback Dag get involved everything right. You're having all these conversations. Shanahan is saying this R._G.. Three is saying this. I want to be a drop back quarterback. It's always been age old deal when you have an athletic quarterback that you're going to have the conversation of. I've been running the ball are they an athlete. There's all these different conversational points because they don't look like traditional quarterbacks. It is on a different page and it could that'd be problematic what they need to do is sit down and the privacy of whoever matters within that circle and they need to make sure they flush out what they're saying to the media and why they're saying it's so everybody understands the how and the what so that the ultimate end result is what it needs to be and by chance or circumstance R._G.. Three is on at that roster so he needs to have some some feedback in all of this as well as just completely change my answer. I mean that that is a strong argument. I I didn't think about it like that because initially I'm like no. They're not. They're not at odds are not on different pages. Joe Flacco is going because I saw you <hes> and I want you but after what you just said now I remind myself of when when he was talking about he being Lamar Jackson accident when he first was drafted. I'm not trying to play no receiver. I'm not going on the field at no wildcat and all these specialized positions. I want to throw the ball. I'm a quarterback us in when you try to pigeonhole someone in a corner and label them as one thing the number one thing they wanNA prove is that they're not just this that and so you got good. Here's here's why think they could both be right. Lamar Jackson average like sixteen carries a game last year remember. He played an abbreviated deal. All hardball has said is I'd bet the over on one hundred and forty nine carries one one hundred thirty nine whatever Cam Newton had and and so that's really only ten carries per game that's less than what he was ever to last year but would still be more than what cam had no. I bodies and it's too much and I agree with your take. That Lamar Jackson wants to prove that he's a pass quarterback. He knows that's where the money is. That's where the longevity is yeah and people are saying he can't do it. Tell somebody tell a young person exactly do they go. Don't try to prove your losses. As defensive minded person defenses have changed so I know them. Comparing capper Nick in in the offense coordinator in the head coach and the names are the same aim except the head coaches are brothers and this other that time has passed. Let me tell you something if cavern it was gonna be the guy to play and be in this league and be successful successful again they would've brought him back. They would have brought him back. No matter what the odds were they would have brought him back that time has gone. You gotta be able to throw the ball at this point visit caught up uncle. Jimmy's here of Uncle Don James is here your thoughts on the cell. Definitely let's get to get to this big dummy today this a somebody said that in order to get through journalism they had to jump through all Kinda who out on them like that what would agrees with what was your turn to get on other sides any video footage it is. Here's a highlight loud discussing earlier by the if you've got a stairmaster though abroad is quite pleased with himself. He's angry and motivated now. He'll be bored by J ory worse by March will be crystal clear clear that the Lakers can't compete with lenders clippers. The media loves to build you up but they love it even more to tell you down right now. They smell low blood in the warp all right. We had a big discussion about how lebrons GonNa perform this year after this off season of criticism Uncle Don. How's he going to do vile? I need to know why y'all go around and get report from everybody else instead of coming and getting them straight from the source we just came to you now did too yeah. She'll simple quick. I like Lebron. No understand what I'm saying yeah go ahead. You're as alkyl of Glieberman. There's plenty of it. The Lebron seeing the same doctor that Barry Bonds those He'd been he going to see the same doctor in Germany. uh-huh Kobe went to his knee was acting top. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm line. I'm trying to tell you Jane is about turn back the hands of time <hes> see let me tell you about that you gain my nephew Lebron. James Damage jumped over the rim and miss that don't tell yourself surprise it before the season's over Lebron. James beat the first player in N._B._A.. History to dunk a ball would would his feet. That's really turned you laugh. I'm GonNa tell you Lebron. James is about to wreak havoc on the N._B._A.. Remember Ball Godzilla movies Godzilla become through kicking the bills over and everything everybody renting screen like Snoop Hawaiian Paula George going to be doing in the state the Senate as you did this just in Mr we don't be surprised to get a little nugget Joe and you look through the people who Godzilla spitting fire to look saying you thought them Little Fire Ari emojis and that little eat the reference. You thought David Griffin not else view Bro. You don't want to smoke. Hey got the good is you don't want none of this all right. Let me get ready for the broad. Uh Joking the broad kick my ass job eighteen all time greatest twenty two. He really five authenticity property thinking the character David Griffin Potshot so you drop in the Bronx David Truth authenticity one because at least in the moment he said I hear Ya I like that I don't WanNa wait till you hall of fame speech and then also you crown all hers like

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Princess Mononoke with Griffin McElroy

Blank Check with Griffin & David

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Princess Mononoke with Griffin McElroy

"Right and you don't it was on the show with Life is suffering. It is hard. The world is cursed but still you find reasons to keep podcasting. I mean that's my mantra. That's why you get up in the morning. What happens every time I walk in the studio. You Go Griffin. What's up. He's just the listener flails his arms. What's know what's up I do that you do kermit arms and you demand that I give you info and I go. Nothing's new everything's terrible. The world is awfully play. Hate everything and then you go. Let's podcast right. That's pretty much the conversation every time the tonal even if those are the words back and forth. I'm trying to be like you're like wow oh. Everything's bad and you go. Our guest is good. It is good such a big Fan. Dan just hop in a fucking yeah man all the time fine dude for sure Shishir. Tell Ya Yeah my mom my mom right man cool down in a live environment yeah. I'm pretty sure I like it. You have all these Papas on chairs studios. Thank you we do we try to you. You know it's for us. It's more of a hang out than a show. Do you know what I'm saying yeah. They call it work but it doesn't feel like it doesn't know I I mean if this is working. I've never worked in my life yeah if this is working. I don't WanNa see play. Let's play. GonNa look like an office job. Do you think we can keep this going for two hours a one hundred percent sweating. You think we don't feel like I'm going to try and I didn't. I didn't watch the movie so if we just do this one hundred have. I've never I've actually never seen any. You've never seen any movies. No I've heard of them but like the long TV shows so you've seen TV shows. Oh Yeah Dan and you love this year's supposed to cut. What's your policy on here. Oh hardcore cousin out good good. Some people complain about it. Sometimes they go. I like I like the show. I wish really their mouths. Were a little less filthy feels. I would never say that eve my thirds words. I guess it already this is off to rip born stocks and this is what I always want it because we all know it's a long standing issue with the show that I cannot get a word in edgewise. We've been doing this show for over four years and this has yet to in any way reflect. You don't get to talk about your interests aw aw I got no stake in this show. I feel like a silent business part and you know why why it's always outnumbered. Okay all right sure at the very best. This podcast has won third Griffin Right. If we have a guest it's one fourth if we have multiple guests could abused much as like one six terrible but today for the first time this podcast fifty percent griff baby so I'm GonNa. I'M GONNA bend sort of at the waist. He's like this and stick my arms out and just grab grab my hands like that. I got it. How we'RE WE'RE GONNA fuse. Have you done this before is doing. I've tried to do this with other gas S. and doesn't work now. It's gotta be to Griffin so we can fuse together. There's no guarantee that we will be able to separate after this right. You Okay No. It's much of course I like the Mythical Griffin which is half Eagle Half Lion. We're going to turn to a mythical creature. That's half Griffin. Half Griffin right exactly just heads snow legs. It's like a cat and dog yeah. Yeah you can be the right yeah right. It's a long neck ahead on each side. It looks sort of like a dumbbell keeps yeah. It looks like a hotdog flanked by nickel heads. What is cut dog doing these days. You think what's up to these days. You gotta add up the life expectancy of of a dog and a cat yet still just statistically is probably dead as disco. What if like compounds though you know what I mean you don't add your multi. I see I see I felix catalog moved behind the camera. You know what I'm saying. I feel like right cat dog now. He's one of those guys who directs a lot of Madam Secretary's or Extol Grind Robbins. He's now just like an executive nickelodeon. Everyone cannon ran like the end and they were like no. He's actually running. The net wasn't mogul yeah. That's a cat. Dogs like cool ended our guest today of course this current mcelroy. Are you ready to fuse. Are you ready. Yeah Yeah so you you just WanNa push shirt like a sort of you know sort of style not necessarily. This is going to really happen necessary. You'll hear great like have you ever heard one person's bones and turn the person's body it makes a sound. We're finally getting to squelch yeah yeah sort of like a crunchies well well okay and no sound effects necessary. It's going to happen for real also marcus to find some sound effects. Okay okay ready okay. I can't wait to see Z. In an episode metric exactly zero listener see okay hold up. Oh here's the problem you push too hard so yeah now all your stuff inside my stuff. I got two skulls yeah so this is getting. This is getting bad. I don't even know where your voices coming from. I'm sort of just like a pushing wind out of my now hollow. Oh skin bag okay okay okay bagpipe yeah. Oh okay ready. I'm gonNA pull this time. Okay okay but let's Haida Overdo it. Okay okay. I'll try to put a meter on this. Okay Ready. Okay now you. You know you got all my boy feeling heavy if only we hey what the fuck man what you heavy bones you got. You got some. I'm just saying I got double bones loans now. I think that was a bone dig designed in fact 'cause. I didn't say that when I had your bones. I didn't say this even talk about but then when my bones and these are some hefty. I didn't say that I just said I have a lot in me right now. I mean look look around this room. Do you see Alan grant anywhere. There's a bone dig. Paleontologist Alan Grant would be here here with his big. This big claw he uses is to assault children his bone clock. He is very mean to one child is weighing the fan theory that that child is Chris Pratt Fan fan theory fan theories fanfare. Fan theories are like that one kid. He's Chris Pratt. Now you know like that one kid. He's iron man man now or whatever what's up with really cool when people do that right who was formerly just the scene in a movie right now most important scene gene history and the only one who knows the pixar theory that every Pixar movies connected or Sim universe and like the monster world has something to do with the brave which they all got that stupid Lampson all of them Yup Yup and the ball and here's the thing that theory makes the movies so much better. Yes yes yeah yeah yeah. I feel so bad for anyone who watches those movies and doesn't realize cars takes place after a bug's life when the bugs have wiped out the earth in theory. Garze in the theory cars is like the end right. That's the last world right. It's like so far in the future that there are only cars now celebrity celebrity that suggests that at the end of wally all of the pilgrims come back and try to start a new world and fail core are turned into cars by a witch one or the other. I think the witch from brave is responsible for like eighteen hundred all the magical stuff always only come to life because the witch and brave rave fucked off right. Yes that's that's exactly right. It all came on the rich. I'm sorry I'm sorry I I'm wrong. KOMO MONSTERS INC is the end of the universe in the monstrous. Kill the cars yes. How is that possible because I don't know look. I don't know why brought to say this is so cool. It's so good. Love is what I want out of art. I went to a a theme park. I was I was in retired bit. Barcelona borrowed Philo. I was in Barcelona Brussels. I was in woman's Barcelona and I went to a theme park. That is one of the oldest theme parks in the world. I would not want to go to that yeah right. This age is not bragging thing for the let me say I would like to attend the newest thing the here's here's what I want where they're like. We opened it a year ago. Lots of people have tried it out. It's fine right. That's it right. It's all computers this is. This place is hell. This place place goes. We started construction in eighteen ninety. Five when would was discovered and the entire theme park is atop a mountain and all all of the rides at the very tippy top all like height based so they're big ride is like it's a little tin airplane and it flies around the top of the mountain so it feels it's like you're flying in a little private lake lindbergh flame right right but the place is called. I I keep on getting the name wrong because the name of the place sounds like DVD by deep Adolfo. I was wondering how I can circle. I was lost. I think it's called not doable but every time in my over and teasing where team I would get the sound then he's making vote tape. DVD about the Toboso did you start TB Dabo Tibidabo Tibo able to go on the highlight reel. Why did you choose to use can we can we get serious for okay. Okay very serious injuries the podcast guest. Please okay this customer acting by the way you've Tusa bones. Can you guys finish. Do you want to just okay. I'm GONNA give you back to you. GimMe the leg bones the NBA's. Let's call the whole thing. He was almost introducing the podcast. The eleven season Abon cool bones. They share had fun with bones. I think that's what happens in the eleventh season where they're like. We're out of crimes but this year their bones got all mixed US season. Eleven is the one with all the skeleton warriors. She's like this murder an actual skeleton Lord the marrow. It's where they all become set designers for the Texas chainsaw yeah. What if that happened in a procedural about the government is like season aid is like trump color budget now. We're freelancers and they're like set designers. We gotta make bones here. Now is both bones is not so okay. Fine bones is done is done bones ran for Gentlemen's eleven seasons. That's right yes no twelve gentlemen twelve gentleman's how many make make it to a Baker's dozen how many episodes two hundred and forty six can I great corner guy. I how many how many bones human body have like seventy that's a good question are there more episodes of bones or bones you hundred six onto the TV show feet it by forty. Now Okay Okay Boys. You understand that they didn't feature a bone. They did this time. It's four finger on your right handed ended the top one yeah all right. That would be nice though if each episode bones was like we gotta crack Shin in the case of interest the puck go blank check of Griffin David and Griffin. Let's see what I did there Griffin and David Griffin David Sandwich. You know what I'm saying boy. I'm trying to get used to my new sort of composition. Shen Oh yeah yeah. It's an honor. Thank you for having me right at home. You're now all lower body density and all upper body density yeah yeah is a podcast bell from Agassi's directors have massive success early on their career in a given a series of blank checks make whatever crazy passionate products they want and sometimes those checks clear and sometimes times they bounce baby and this is me series on the films of Higher Miyazaki today. We're covering princess-mononoke. Let's right what's the mini series called. It's called howls moving podcast. Thank you and we got with us. Griffin Macquarie the adventure zone and my brother my brother mean eighty thousand other podcasts yeah that's true and from princess-mononoke. You're in it yeah. I was wondering why I was one of those wild little rattling ghosts. We'll attorney attorney lull yeah. I'm interested to see how this series goes 'cause. I don't know them him. He is Oculus made a bad film. He has no he's not. This case is correct. He is not enough. y'All whereabouts it. Go just like like hard in the paint dunk. On how dare you okay. I would never dunk on my beloved on Yo. She's a good person a couple of things that you need to know fish and craft. Okay okay couple of things you need to know. One point does do love him. I'm always saying that number. Two Point Zero thought ski so that's good. That's all you need and here's number three and this is the biggest twist. David Loves Peng Hell you does that mean that by transitive pro also have hand so correct. Poncho is one of your top movie friends rank as I have said on this podcast. Pardon you is a movie that I watched to calm myself down on. IOS That that weirdly enough. That's like spirited away spirit as like chicken soup like sick. I'm too sick to move. I'm just GonNa put this movie on. That's another wheel that one is like that's like a toxic pershing toxins movie for me. That's you're you're rushing bath house seriously by the end of it. I Like I'm always like Oh yeah. Oh Yeah I always Kinda. I again emotional about the end like I suddenly remember him turning no spoilers who is a river well. That's it's a huge spoiler arguably the spoils well. This is Brian Sussman Nokia which at the time of its release was it's not only Miyazaki's biggest film but the highest grossing film. The history of Japan Japan's biggest film this was Japan's biggest film and it was only two thrown by spirited away wasn't deformed by titanic which then was dethroned. Yeah it is it's still still it was still the most profitable Japanese yes right right. It was the most successful domestic film in Japan and then spirit spirit away has held the title sense and titanic tatum ruined so many great streaks for so many different beloved movie franchises. I remember being a youngster and being so excited when my favorite favorite movie at the time came out dethrone titanic and that was lost in space yes starring. Matt Leblanc didn't episode we have done an episode episode on lost in Space Important work movie me it does not fit into the model who usually discuss on this podcast all but we didn't episode with David and his brother where we talked about loss space because it was their favorite. VHS As go on got it gave got that Soundtrack Apollo for forty of arena rock bad boy that's right and you've got the the three Alpha's Alvin William Hurt Matlin. I love you. I love you wife. We we have to go through the planet core. You're lost in space BLURP BLURP. Don't forget far Griffin. Did you forget BLURP. Did I forgot about swore. I'd never know he's in there. We came up with it came with a term based on that movie which is when in a film it's female characters gives them some bit of business. That has nothing to do now. We don't have to explain why they're not in the last thirty minutes of the move. We're paying. This does not blur no not at all. This movie is came out in ninety ninety and ninety seven in Maybe dethrone titanic isn't that post. It no no it's pre- titanic there roads ninety eight right well late ninety seven yeah right right right but that's what I did this come out early ninety seven and then was dethroned by Titan like months after Okay Okay Tidal Heidel within spirited away suplex titanic suplex gets she hero and Baba they took titanic and they fall folded tannock like laundry exactly yeah but wait what was going to say well. The female characters got him. It's kind of anti gun anti anti blurb now. Here's the thing I wanNA get right off the bat because I was him confuse. There is more of the wolf the wolf. He's called in this film. Oh are you going to talk about the DUB. Yes in the Dow played by Gillian Anderson. Yes yes yes the threat. Is that the question I was going into the answered. Yes okay assertive. Okay moving on WHO's. Your question was going into the wikipedia because I was like. Is this them sort of rewriting the movie to some degree because I know this was an Torius is like the worst of the dubs yet and the for the first thing you like it was at the time. I don't think that really it's more than its release was so screwed up right here Max. It was the first effort to like. Let's put this in American theaters like here's his ocoee. He's Japanese. Masters was like the first proper theatrical release. We've got a proper release with like proper big name actors. Yeah Eric Actors doing the right like and then Miramax like released it limited and like Ben didn't really expand it. They kinda like decided not to go for it. Ryan right so no one really got to see it yeah and then the DVD release was like not until a longtime later initially they were only going to release it with the DUB and all the fans were like please release the the original audio track to and they were okay. Well it means it's not. GonNa come out for a while and like it came out later. Yeah handled everything the DUB itself okay. I guess I guess the castle in the sky was more notorious for changing that one's bad because that one like teaches the music right and I think the to the original totoro dubs Bashar sure yeah well from what I understand for monon okay is the there were a lot of things changed in the English version right just because has there are certain like not really concepts but like deep Japanese folklore that would take like four ever to like just like explicitly says them in this movie and it is like an interpretation of that folklore that I know that that Miramax pushback big time on and like one of these changes but the data. Ah Wasn't it written by Neil Gaiman. It was do this yeah. I saw it'd be blown away. This was the worst I don't think in terms of the translation I just know people always had gripes about about like actual vocal thornton goes like full deduction. Yeah yes not do good and like so uh-huh devoid of energy and so like does not match that is mired things yeah is it just feels like they went for a day and they were like what's this style. I will defeat you evil spirit What's the next line hi. How are you doing. What's the next line right now. Where are you going to say Claire Danes kind of a AH RANKS ABOVE BILLY BOB soaring but is not my favorite but like many driver crushes it. Minnie driver realize it's an amazing Boesch. Yeah and billy credit you know not the most exciting dynamic role to play but he does he does. I think everybody does fine in this movie except for Billy. Bob Thornton does like I said earlier suction. I guess it was just I had heard so so much about how bad billy Bob Thornton was that I assumed the entire dub was bad. Thanks so keith data crushes it like everybody's getting well so this this was the thing the Johnson thing I was like are they rewriting character a little bit to make her female and they start digging into the characters referred to as female as the mother will right right and the Japanese actor who plays Moro what's a deep voice yeah but is historically a drag queen performer. Hey I don't I don't know enough of now gets a little interest. It is very interesting but I kind of like that idea where it's like yes. I'm the mother. Wolf Wolf's have debate voice Jason Free. That's how it is right no effort to rather than like a get Rosie O'Donnell whatever right like get who's who's the WHO's a funny lady who who can play the animal that is the thing with these feel so much like the product of like who's at just the right level of like fuck off we know hot name but it also feels like them being like just do the thing that you do like don't try to fit the character too much by and large and then you'll read like interviews with many driver interviews with Markelle where they're like. I took this seriously sure I'm giving a performance porn. Versus like someone like Billy Bob. WHO's like yeah. That was an afternoon. They told me he was like an idiot so I just did the sling blade for moisture. Is there a problem since some big crazy bore monster. That was a really bad billy Bob for nobody. I need to rewatch Armageddon Magadan. That's the one where he has like eighteen lines to the size of Texas where he every nine. He says it's like some folksy nonsense. Yeah I mean just drink a big barbecue barbecue sauce for each tank. I Miss Billy Bob. Just being in like five movies a year. Remember Billy Bob would just crop up and everything yeah well. He was on the Amazon original series a Goliath. I think that got renewed. That's coming back. Did it thirteen July. I feel like the third season's already aired wrong. I don't don't know I don't know if you've noticed Amazon's been doing this thing where they just nine months later. Go Oh yeah no. We're not making more of that after not announcing anything ever them. No season two aired the last year just announced that there will be. They just announced yeah. Okay Okay Fair enough so that's what's keeping them busy also of course we we know his musical act the box tops. I think they're called. They're called the box cutters box cutters dirk. It's something with boxing. It's the box masters. It's the box master. I don't know what the box masters Hill Billy British invasion music records okay. I'm reading that from from computer anything. He calls a Hillbilly MoD rock doc what I guess you can call anything anything. Let's go to a box masters show. This sounds fun. You'll really monarch. You guys have all seen the interview with Billy Alibaba threaten yes right where they ask him a question about balancing acting as music career and then he starts talking about his hobbies as a child eld right. He won't answer the questions directly. It's an interview with noted sex criminal Jian Gucci but he you know oh he goes like so what's it like balancing act incurred music career and he goes like when I was a young child loved the movie monsters by remco uncouth model kits read famous monsters of Film Landon. There was a contest one time when I won and then I'll ask him another question and he'll go like I used to play baseball and he's not answering directly and then he goes. I feel like you're being obtuse and he goes well. you know you're. GonNa treat what I like to do as a hobby then I'll tell oh you bet some hobbies. I have wow and his attitude was. We had an agreement that you would not ask me any questions about acting and you're trying to sneak in acting okay. You know what I'm correcting myself. He didn't even ask a question about acting he in the introduction said a band which includes Billy Bob Thornton who you might know from his homework and that was that was only prepared music questions and Bob was so angered they contextualized him as a movie star now the wind up for this as the other day I I was at a comic bookstore and I was at the clearance shelf and I found that there is a box masters graphic novel for Oh wow because mythos the box masters is too big for the six albums they release a year because they're one of these bands that goes like we're so prolific and all of its so good we have to release eight hundred birdsongs a year the box masters graphic novel on the back goes. Aban comprised of Billy Bob Thornton film actor director the travelling through time attempting to destroy the history of rock and roll. They're trying to stop. The persons attempting destroyed history okay. There's a savior's yes well for one hundred fifty dollars you can meet the box masters go to a show get a photo with them and pick up a VIP pass so we do it. Yeah August tenth in Vegas you WanNa go. Oh yeah cool. I'm going to do that in where my monster's ball t shirts watch party eagle baseball CAP EGO hi. I'm I'm trying to think of other. Billy Bob Thornton project remember this interview when he was doing press for Eagle eye and they were like so what attracted you the script and he was like my agent calls me like every couple of years and goes billy guy do another movie where you're at a bus stop and he was like what and he was like. You know the thing where you're on the poster at the bus stop so it'd been about three years and they offered me this that is to me. The epitome of a Billy Bob Role is just like Shiloh book gets brought into Uh. You know some of your urine. Some real trouble son just billy. Bob Comes in in a suit and you're like Oh shit. S- There's an eagle are all the sites of Eagle Son Son. Tommy Lee Jones was busy. He turned us the hill down so here. I am on on my agent said I need to be in a bus. Stop So. You Bibo people definitely does yeah yeah. We'll bad Santa two that was like a couple of years ago and that made the bus stop. I think didn't do well but it's certainly made the bus stop. That was certainly like doc a big departure for me as ocoee free we look. I think he'd made that I contend with our original is no statement. He has never made a bad film. Yeah sure from a bad Santa two all of them are matched and he didn't make bad Santa one which is weird. I didn't know that yeah. He actively expressed his dislike for it. He said what makes you that better and Bebo prove it and they proved it. You had to go in and pitch on bad Santa. It's a two and he said I think the thing that truly makes Santa bad is his lack of relationship with nature and they gave him the job in the room so it's like wandering through the forests like encountering spirits who is good enough to really decide. He is bad so he's looking for good santer that does sound like doesn't exist is hockey table right right yeah sure. Great Santa What God has deemed him bad Santa so movie. They're back back their advertiser on the show they or the show. Keep it down for a second please. I'm trying to watch a movie. Yes you're watching the movie over there in a movie okay. It's my favorite thing so you're you're checking security streaming service that shows exceptional films from around the globe yes of course because I'm a connoisseur cinema. If you could please keep your voice down right enjoying the movie. That's great okay every day. 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I got the whole Miyazaki collection on Blu Ray and I'd only seen Kellie Castle Kallio Stroh and spare way. That may have been it I just tore through. It's a it's a delightful journey. Were you a Lupin Fan. Did you see can we also through that or have you seen my dad used to get just like. VHS Is sent to the house and I don't know if he was on some sort of mailer or what and got a lot of anime like sent to him which neither of US really watched but then we got a copy of Catholic Kallio stir and he's like Oh. I've actually heard this is good and we watched it together when I was like eight or nine. Oh Wow I was like Oh. Oh actually this is the thing that was not still yes still like a really really great on boarding to the rest of his he's were even though it's not really like the rest of it but yeah that was sort of where he came and then spirited away. I don't know everybody salary right. I I knew that this was was sort of like Oh. This is like his serious like epic. This is like his big like fantasy action movie epping. I did not realize that it's literally really a movie about like man fighting nature. Hell yeah this is his themes like sir. You like yeah like made flesh the stuff that Totoro is sort of a right right or humanity our oneness with nature has been disrupted right like what is man's relationship to the outside world but this is like a sword a word like epic version of the happening well in the worst imaginable light onto something something that you know it is like it's in the what is the name. Is there a genre for the fern. Gully Avatar like AH battle between bad man and nature Enviro epic adventure yeah go adventure. Yeah it can vanish. Yes yeah it's it's a timeless story of Paulie shore versus in the world of the living world exactly we all know that the world has been against Paulie shore but what for this movie Paulie Shaw which is against the world you mentioned like a Miyazaki esque take and I feel like this is about where in his career like if you did not know what that dude was. Abou- now and where his like where his sort of just disillusionment with life started. I think you could probably talk it. Clock it right here and Yeah princess-mononoke yeah this the other movies up until this point are are sort of like cut with some sense of like there. There are characters living these pure joyful lives right in some corner of his tapestry you know or like their sadness is cut with like moments of like whimsical bliss or whatever and this is like a film about like a world that maybe doesn't deserve to exist in its Super Yeah I. It's funny I actually I know I mentioned that I'm a huge fan but I did watch all of Neon Genesis Evan Gillian in like two and a half days the new right right right. I know both is it worth it. Yeah it's a not in a every second of it was good and enjoyable way but in I've never seen anything thing like way but it is it was funny watching this right after binging eva because it's it is similarly sort of a Maybe we don't deserve to exist. Maybe actually way more explicitly about that but yeah the themes the themes were pretty compatible. I'd say Griffin if I can correct. You're a correction quickly. You said it's not new. It's just new dinette flicks I don't know if you know this shows. Don't exist until they're on that flex. You're right. I'm sorry I apologize. I'll just netflix if something gets removed from afflicts that no longer exists exist. I am so sad. The officers leaving their cancelling the office unavailable otherwise soon cancelled yeah right office. Leaving Netflix means that no one can do any office non friends leaving means the no one can have friend office office. They're just GonNa Torch that wing of the Library of Congress. What if that's the library of Congress. Now is just some guy like it's an annapolis delete anything. It's just it's just it's just data. It's servers every time a website post. One of those like here's here's everything weaving. Netflix this month for me. That's like the Memoriam segment of the saying goodbye some classic shows and movies boy that lost to the sands of time. I still can't get over the fact that Netflix successfully pulled off the hoodwink where you aired on on lifetime eightieth season the pen Badgley series aired on another channel full season right then they produced a second season season. Yes nine months later. Netflix was like Whoa by both seasons right. They put it up a year. After it had aired. Maybe a little less nine announced that new show and it was like on Netflix original Great Hugh. No one believed me when I told them that that show had aired on broadcast television swinging a torch around upcoming event mountain into yells current existence hotel now for right yes and Princess Monan okay is not yet on net flicks so doesn't exist idea I was I was wondering if going to pop up on in in on the Disney plus APP or whatever it's called they will not Miyazaki forbids a Disney aliko of all the Miyazaki rocky the G. Blairites Oh. I didn't know that Independent Company called G kids. Yes who's behind all the theatrical releases and now all the physical media releases but Miyazaki ocoee also will not allow his movies to be streaming whether for purchase or for free. Can you put it in a river can you can you put a DVD in a river. He would love that. He's very into that clear right right. He will let his movies Brooke the he will let them streams no but I think we've talked about this. I I got I've met the guy who's ahead of the G kids and was talking to him about it and he was just like there's no argument you can make that will sell him on it. He just doesn't like the idea the things streaming and there's no amount of money that would change his mind because he already owns a house and he likes it. The he's got a modest house and he's like what more need and he's like the judge that can't be bought in like a Batman movie right right. I've got everything I want. A House share pencils. I've they've got like a hundred pictures of airplane right one tree. I got one tree and it's covered in pictures of airplanes uh-huh limitless brilliant. He's got no but I mean I think I I don't. I don't think that's ever going to change and it's weird because the thing that has created is a these are some of the most tormented movies now. Dolan online because people are used to watch something this easily. I'll break the law and on the flip side there now still some of the best selling physical media of course right. It's Cassini volt drives people to you know it's it's which is which is why because I feel like it only recently became possible to get all of the I would not have bought. All these films piecemeal got me as ocoee collection like the day it came out which wasn't until like a few years ago. It's a very new thing it was grabbing. Rises is yeah and then like a year after that Disney let the rights go right and so now they've all been rereleased as piecemeal and waiting for the new releases to be recollected right but I have to imagine that falls under something where he has approval over that right. I imagine some reason that g kids hasn't immediately. Put them all in one box. It'll happen yeah. I see what he's got a new movie coming. Maybe at that point bad Santa Three Addison talk about the move okay right. Yes it opens with some of the dish and I've ever seen I could not believe really is a cold open to where you're like so so it's like a guy in a way what's happening. You know what I mean. A waterboard pouring ice watered down your especially since I'm trying to think like you know Porco Rosso. Where does it open on pig sitting in a chair space. Take Internet Toro what is like some kids move into a new house right around twin gentle gently ease into this new movie opens with a giant or demon worm made of Evil Spaghetti it infinitely writhing meet Chuck and and and a battle and a battle between a young Prince and his dad patriot. Yes yes right understand. I thought I don't know father figure fatherly man. Are you talking about the L. Because I don't think the cat I mean let's say let's say this though Elkins Daddy Yeah yolks pretty cool elk in this movie is Kinda. Zadie yeah for now yeah if we're talking about like Miyazaki four spirits that can get it. Yes sure and it's a long list toto's thick. Toro is mad thick. He's will come radish spirit. I don't know if your member but he can get it. Get spirited away just loaded with hot spirit. You know you may be off hot spirits and I don't mean 'cause there's a bath yeah. No no no face but you know. It's not a ASS SPAGHETTI TACO. Yes his name right right yeah. He's a village prints yeah and what we think you know Fifteenth Sixteenth Century Japan I hit it said the Serramonte Japan sometime between thirteen thirty six to fifteen seventy somewhere in there yeah me evil old Japan yes and he gets he gets a worm arm. Gets I get somewhere. Marm fries battle right. He he gets a How how did they call. It's not a bike does not a rash but he's got a burn from the dark spirit yeah like a curse. He's got curse. It's got a curse because he he shadow of the Colossus. Is this bore touches it right mid mid fight and gets a curse right and so now he's got this evil in his he's got he's got an evil alarm. His arm occasionally like doctor strange loves and tries to grab his sword and kill people right. This is also the point in the movie where I on my I watch realized it was not not going to be like my neighbour. Totoro Win Spaghetti fucking melts like melts on the molecular level down to Gore covered bones and I was like Oh okay okay then the movie totally chills out by having him decapitate people with arrows repeatedly there headstones off what I love about the violence and this week because it's violent ask very violent and he really has never made a movie violent like Mexico and Porco Rosso also have action yeah yeah but I don't know about violence but this is this is blown yeah. He shoots a lot of Arrows at Samurai and their heads and arms go flying off but even that is done in what I feel like is such a like jubilee esque way where there's not sprays of blood they just kind of turn born into like ham hawks they just kind of turned into the perfect like right like circle of sexual with little circular bone in there with no blood and and it's just like okay. It's like it's fun. It's a fun dismemberment is we're too also like evil. Animals are like dripping with blood. It doesn't look like blood is like sprang offer for them. It looks like the blood has just become part of their being that makes any sense like they're just like and this is where I believe. It's there's so many like of setting visuals in this movie which is such a stark contrast to everything else that almost like he's made yes. It's all about like you know on the complete opposite end of the spectrum Poncho where like every inch of the screen is filled with some beautiful thing and this one like even the woods are you know are boreal. Oh and pretty but they also look like a place where if you stepped foot into them you'll be killed in the most horrible way imagine like there's so many uninviting things in this movie not the Lisa which being the big spaghetti monsters monsters scary but then even the benevolent things like the creepy head. Yeah Jinx Chinks and the fucking like spirit of the forest who is if I was a kid I would be scared of the deer with like you know red face but even like it was like smiling with the little the little twitchy face Komo I believe could Domo yeah. They're like the cute characters in the movie. The only characters the mood who graphically look kind of like adorable jubilee characters but also everything about how they move and sound is terrifying. Yeah I feel it's really cute how at the climax of the movie hundreds and hundreds of their corpses fall from the sky so many snowflakes. I think it's really cute. I WANNA buy stuff is yeah. I mean they're like a step away from like the little grudge monster. The little white boy dies yeah. We've talked about like all of his movies. He's there's usually like one big like animation like showcase thing where it's like the bridge collapsing you know where like he'd like. Animates like a thousand splinters would or like the shirts ripping or whatever this like the most detailed kinetic kind of element is and this movie like starts with with that with Wild Spaghetti bore and then I'm like wow that's like that looks like it's a bitch to animate like there's so much writhing movement and detail detail around him and then it turns out that that's just a repeated that CGI no no no no is it isn't it. There's some there's some for the wriggling the interesting 'cause I know certainly with when you get to like the sort of water spirit at the end that looks like that has geog just the first time he deigned to allow. CG Essay was going to say I had no idea how he did it. Because then they keep on having creatures infested by Spaghetti Spaghetti worms right. It just keeps happening exactly yes yeah and yeah. I'm just mostly. Hint Ron Incorporate some use of computer animation for like five minutes of footage okay so you know as a blend spirited away. Has it too with the flower our there's you know the heat starts to sort of like inch towards. Spaghetti worms looked hand-drawn to me. It was tough at the end that looked a little. CGI augmented but he he goes to the elder and she tells him look. I don't know if there's anything we kind of like right. You know so you got one of those. what is evil arm. Oh you're you're telling me. It was a spaghetti bore. Fuck Book about that takes down book with giants is going across Putin's evil arm syndrome. It's no good very bad. Don't do it so yeah. He's gotTa go they find out. They're like look. Probably you're fucked right. There's a small chance if you go into the deepest darkest spookiest parts of the fourth you might be able to find something yeah but no promises and this is. I guess he lives in the Nice place pretty good colic nicer. ISOS no lives in the place that five hundred years ago is completely. Hulkamania ran on decimated the entire village. I don't know that I would call that. The nice place it's like that is a that is a small small once ruined enclave of of a lifestyle that no longer exists in in this in this version of Japan this movie. Actually we gave it a hard time for falling into that ECO adventure genre. I feel like it really explores a lot of stuff stuff around that. It doesn't just say like these are the bad guys they went the. That's why it's like no one. Everyone is no one's bad except different except for maybe like the forces of humanity that we don't actually seeing this or maybe are represented by the bad like Samurai forces is that come in but like this little village is a symptom of this like rough transition of a pre industrialized medieval covering medals and things like that and like mining the forest and chopping things down but they're like yeah. We're trying to live here and we're just trying to live and not be and we are disruptive like a we are the fucking iron ball. That's in the board gave him worms right right and you're in one of those messy like transition periods. It's between like cyclical societal resets or what. What do we do now. What what's what's humanity like right but I feel like that's why this movie that'd be rules more. Yes like you're saying like much more than fern. Cali where the demon is just a pollution monster or Avatar like where it's like no but David even actually can. I say I don't know if he picked up because it's very subtle at least bit the villain so excited the villain fern gully is he's like pollution. Why what's his name again please. You always forget and I always have to look at it. Sim Curry his name's not pollute. Oh it's not Pluto but like you know it's Jesus. I always forget how stupid he looks. Heck's US how access is not great. He smoke here yea. He's a smoky mookie toxic guy rather than that the villains here are like just like what we have done. We are living six hundred years on or whatever and we'll we know what we did right like this. Is this the beginning of that. We're just this is the infestation. It's so brilliant how Ashoka is like not one of the like parties in this conflict like an outside observer from this cloister that had nothing to do with it but it's been pulled into it because the Spaghetti Board was turned evil by this iron ball that somebody shot into it and now like it's like they are getting the splash damage of global warming or whatever even though like they had no part in it whatsoever like he's being pulled in but doesn't doesn't give a shit about industrialization industrialization versus preservation no like that's the thing like everyone in this movie is kind of just trying to survive like there's no one trying to like like like sees a great power you know does. I think you make a case that Bebo scare is not great. Well People's a little stinker. I mean let me say this this guy. I feel like with him. He's like an opportunist. Look I gotTA L. Live like what I can in the grand scheme of things. He could be a lot more evil than he is like. He's kind of UNAMBITIOUS this. He's a pain at the end when he's grabbing the head. I mean that's fucked up but it also feels like as you said. I don't know what's the best thing I can do. At this moment. He's got no overarching scheme scheme bad Santa. He's kind of ads but he can't describe him. He's like sort of really Poli. Jolly Jolly carries around the surprise things in his San Francisco script. It's like untitled Santa. WHO's not so good check but I can't think of a name for it. You know what I mean no chance and Ross different problems to be very frightened. Who is that coming down Alma Jimmy. Why do you have seven arms the wrong Santa Yeah. Why are they coming out of your tour. He's just not that's what that's what wrong Santa's. He's that tooth guy remember. Remember the tooth monster. That's just all teeth. What are you from the show from the show you know the show. That was like scary things. I'm going to find it for you now and you're going to be very upset. He's a show with a scary. What what. What is this man? What's creepy. The Creepy Pasta likes sci. Fi Scifi was called channel zero. Okay sci-fi it was the best creepy pastas and one of them was like what if there was a guy was he was all teeth nothing else living in presence kids houses and their use his could turn into a bite. I like that I was a superpower house else tooth powers from candle cove. That's what that was called. Alright candle cove remember Kansas. Anyway and then actually talk just starts like leading. Yes yes right right superpowers now because he's got one. I do wish she had like an oversized arm. That would have been fun like leading the water exactly so you know what I mean like if he's like double aren't his sisters double size but I like I like his weird kind of like gross burn yes he's got left and I like went sort sort of like eight it activates and then you have the sort of swirling sort of smoke in or around it otherwise it's Kinda like this. 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It's just like right away red alert yeah but anyway yeah and then he goes to iron town come on. Let's talk iron town guys. I don't know what else should we fulfill me if I'm forgetting things no. I think you're yeah I think yeah I mean he sees he sees the fight right like we are introduced to the the what is it that Lord Asano who is the the other the other Army in here like the Samurai who they have to like four right. Yes is just going into town interest massacring everybody in it and that is where he discovers super strength when he starts splitting dudes. Yes yes the boar clan. I'm a big Fan of Oh. No I was talking about the human oh I know but I want to bring in a group of guys that I like a lot. Jack Goes Board clan who hide out in bore skins yeah oh the foreskin is the coolest visual in the entire movie when they have like what is it like the blow darts peeking out of the eye holes of the bore pre spooky spooky stuff very very spooky also just well. We're jumping yeah. I just like the the board daddy was. What's the Boards Name Big Bore David. Guess just being like now. These are definitely the boars back smelling. I was just like they are all singing a Kuna Matthias when you talk about these guys have bore skin. How could they be anything else but bores they don't have visible moving legs sometimes sports do that. They have no is their skin is flapping in clan is your entire unclean is dead. Yeah and I'll tell you stick like it got worse but iron town we meet lady Obosi. She's it's kind of coolest character because she's villainous but not bad in raise like impressive and strong and fascinating but like you you know causing she's complicated. There's never a character like this in an animated movie for the children. Could what everyone's looking after themselves. It'd be looking looking out for the competitive time battle. Stay alive yeah yeah on on the outside of the culture that was growing in other more like established places like lepers making firearms to help protect and maybe even grow iron town and prostitutes who yes coming to do are like everybody. Everybody in the town was like effectively on equal footing. They had women working in the forges in you know where which probably wasn't happening anywhere else like there was a she was trying to create this perfect civilization of complete equality and wild growth and the do it is that deep in the forest or whatever we're untouched from mean being line civilization and like does everything she does two old supposedly does everything to protect those people that's at least what she claims is and says whether or not she's like exploiting that idea. I feel like the movie maybe doesn't touch of like you know. I am defended because I am making a community immunity of ostracized people and isn't that Nice but really I just want you know I want to take over the world with my good hard weapons that are made of the hard stuff after we found in the sense that the hard stuff is helpful that aren't sand but that's a big thing of just like at this point in time. It's like what what is the best strategy energy for staying alive ever trying to figure out what's the best way to form a society so that we don't get killed by other people or bores this this first thing where she takes us on a tour and shows chosen like how the town operates and how how they are achieving this this balance in this equality the thing that stuck out to me this time is she like walks up to her. Private Chambers walks in through big garden that she has this big big big garden. She has her front yard so like if you we're ready to write her off as the person who just wants to obliterate nature for for profits sake like I think it kind of takes. The legs is out of that argument because it's like you know it's not like. She doesn't care completely but she wants to. Maybe feel a little more control over nature sure sure she pitches as day started. We need stuff and we got the stuff and then wolves. Boars started like come and try and murderous address where people that's not good not love it. If there was a board that was the size of a building that was trying to hurt me. He sounded like a car sized bore. I don't now how big are those boers car sized yeah. He'll he'll bores the leper scene. I find very unnerving and touching. Yes like you know or like yeah. Unnerving is good because it's genuinely unsettling or frightening or whatever about this. Miyazaki apparently was like he is today. This Day moved by the plight of lepers in Japan wow and he was like I wanted to like deal with the incurable disease quote unquote caused by bad Karma which is like old outdated belief is. Is that still a serious issue in Japan. I don't know about serious. I'm take it exists can't get over it though yeah yeah the choice to animate the Leper speaking where their heads are completely covered in bandages but the mouth of the bandage windisch sorta flaps a little bit you know so it's not just like some disembodied voice coming from under gauze. It's like right. There is a person there who's emoting whose face you're never never gonNA see. It's frightening yeah but also as saying like just immediately like every Disney movie she would would. I don't know she'd do some crew relativistic like she's wearing the skin of the board condone. I look so beautiful because because vanity is bad anyway. We'll get to sing one song about like by the way I'm evil right. It would be like it'd be the name of the rat reversed one by the way I'm evil verse to. I don't like grass grass and trees on and on. I eat squirrels. Hold many driver also like sells it so she's it's like just coolish shit like she sounds so cool and collected and seems like the perfect representation of this person who just like handles shit. It has made something out of nothing. This was the time when I felt like Minnie driver was going to be a major force. Oscar not when she when they coming out in America like right and this is one of the Romley my much younger sister saw good will hunting for the first time a couple years ago and had that reaction Chaz Ontai. How'd the apple she liked those apples apples a lot but she said to me? She was like what what happened. Many driver yeah look when she sees a movie. That's from before she was born or when she was too young. What happened to this person. There's someone giving that much of a movie star performance and she's like why has that person not been a presence in my conscious yeah life and I was like I don't want to tell you like it was. She's one of those people where it Kinda feels like. We did her dirty there. was that weird fucking thing were. Damon dumped her on Oprah. What remember this man for a bland Lee Charming Man Matt. Damon is a lot of Weird Shit on TV. He's got some baggage uh-huh he because he may driver were dating after good will hunting and everyone loved it because it was like oh the people from the movie found true love and then like a year after after that. I WANNA say he went on Oprah and he was like so Oprah's like what about you in many and he was like yeah. It's over between us and she's like that. That was the first I had yeah sheesh. Matt Matt is always doing crazy thing. I don't know but she felt like she. She was going to be like a major major presence but she is phenomenal at villains villains. Yes and I do think she is good at finding the human core to negative characters beyond the lights yeah. She's on that show now. I don't watch it on newstalk yeah. Let's you bad people like that. Show right. There's your play Thanos. I mean you're you're making this way because you're saying interestingly. She data adjusts. PAROLIN for awhile I think they were they were engaged in was that two thousand and one rear before he marries Diane Lane The yes. I'd have task Josh Calm at all. I can't do a Thanos to Senator Dole. Takes Daycare is heavy toll. That's pretty said takes a toll. I don't know weird for character so iconic there is no fan of impression you know bring the Sugar Commission yeah when I snap my fingers Schroeder and include unclear analysts gemstones. I'm stone from just for the Listener Benz checking his phone into what could be on there. That's more interesting than this is doing tax. Ah Don't bring up taxes David. I'm not stressed about Texas famous last words. I shouldn't have said that Yeah Okay Anyway I just I love iron town. It feels like a D D podcasts music great location yeah like a cool city. This is this is true of most of these movies. I feel this way like really strongly about spirit away about this idea that the world's at these movies introduced. I feel like they are going to go on after the credits even when you stop watching it like it is the world is the world is so there are so many like crystallized facts about this world and there are so many systems and engines driving this world that you get the impression that like this thing was going before the movie started and it will continue to go after the movie ends which is a really good now and yeah harp on the leper thing but talking about what what would be different in the Disney version of this movie probably wouldn't have any lepers. You don't introduce an element like that. If the hero isn't going to somehow save salt sure leprosy leaf right machinations right toward their skin just an elementary school spirit this part of the like tapestry of this city and here are people who live very very difficult life and then the movie movie goes on right and when the movie ends you think about the fact that they are still. They're wrapped in bandages building guns then. This is also movie where you're like okay all right iron town. This is is a lot to handle but I think I'm beginning to grasp yeah like all the various moving parts of this movie and then like the Big Wolf shows up with a girl who spaces she's GonNa Crazy Mas- asking like blood on her face sucking blood out of the SLEIGH and you're like okay. Oh okay so who's this now. This is a whole other thing and you're like that's princess-mononoke and they're like no. It's kind of an idea yeah. He's got a different name but they also sorta call her Princess Monan okay but right that really just sort of means like spirit princess yeah. It's like the king of the campus write. Her name is not monon. Okay no right run. Yes in another very dark element. Her parents were frightened by this wolf and just through her at the wall. Do you think that they had an issue with the wolf. Being twelve. Oh feet tall and you think was the was the big wolf is a big wolf. That big challenges you you. Have you have no other option you. You have to eat your baby right because the wolf the wolf already won. The Wolf is bigger so the baby has always always belong to the wolf. Do you think do you think it was the goal was were they trying to like distract the wolf by giving them the baby. Maybe or were they trying to use the baby as a projectile where they may be if we hit the wolf harden of with the baby will knock him out I mean when my son was an infant right. Yes you hear what was the first time you through your son right right or or any large creature that it was maybe a god of some sort. I don't know if the if everyone listening to this knows who I am so I'm going to go ahead and clarify that I've never thrown but take your word against drug czar house rules. I have to imagine his ballistic properties left something to be desired really the little squishy something really aggressive looking cockroach well that would do it. That would probably squish it or Bass Right I. They raised me now griffin. You have not met Ben so for context. He was raised by roaches. Yes yes and we genuinely have no idea whether that's true or not but this is a man. I've known for almost a decade. Your version of this is Joe's apartment ten. That's your that's your. That's your mid nineties. MTV Generation Movie Ben Ben's been living a pretty steady chose apartment life from childhood the president should we reboot apartment as Ben's apartment. Should that be on her blink took pictures yeah if I rebuilt you mean should we place cameras are Orban. Yeah TV reality show baby. Let's let's cheap productive. They love unscripted yeah yeah he's a Roach Boyce representations representations right right poison roaches on TV unless Jay Roach is UH got a new political target. You know what I'm saying. He does boots. It's a movie yeah well. It's teaming oh no he didn't do the TV One. No He's doing the movie Roger Ailes Okay Griffin. What do you think about the new popular. Hollywood trend trend of everyone making movies and TV shows about Roger Ailes. Everyone's favorite rocks deceased Fox News Executive Board Bored Board Board. You're bored of it. I'm bored of trying to think of a an opinion about it. I've been sitting here trying to think of an opinion and then I was I I was like why don't you think about the very big meatballs that you have in your refrigerator instead. So then I started thinking about those meatballs. I couldn't Jenner I apologize. I couldn't pretend a I know I have not seen the show but I assume that it is mostly like Roger. ailes walks into a room and they're like doing a presentation and he's like how about Eve Kohler is GonNa be the same thing like what if we lied yeah yeah. It's like like a TV channel really do the news and he's like okay. Okay okay but what what if it was evil and that we're like great. We'll make millions movie right. Is there one makeup artist who's just making bank the Dick Cheney movie movie and like anytime they need a very bad luck jowled gentlemen as the jolly makeup Churchill to right darkest hours all the same. Hollywood has one set of prosthetic. Gel just going around the around the horn yeah yeah just fills them with like yogurt or whatever and they wobble around. You know what's so funny. There are actors who look like that and that's really every time someone makes a movie or ratio like this. They're like Nah. I gotTA pick. Someone looks really different right because we're fun. It's like wow but like Damian Lewis playing Toronto Mayor Doug Ford. He's he's doing now. They did it. Oh Jesus they made a movie and you're like Oh notoriously spelt enhance a man. Oh my God yeah who can't pictures okay does she has such a burden to give someone jowls jails occur in nature some of these Benner fake okay there we go. That's anyway. I heard Christian Bale. He just kind of puffed his cheeks up. Naturally it was all method a boardwalk. The whole movie is him holding his breath. That's why he says his lines really quick should be evil. Don't take your sister president. Shoot my friend in the face Esperance's Monon Okay Yeah yes. Oh come on San she tax iron town yes. She has big fight. She's raised by wolves on knock. You raised by wolves allegiance to Kim's now dislikes them actually quite a great deal of you interpreter and it's it's subtle interpretation. She will say something like I don't like humor. Yes at all right that was that was when I started to go. I feel like maybe what they're teeing up is that she doesn't like like wolves. She likes he and he likes. She does like Boris. I really like how like ugly the Pfizer Yeah in this movie the first the first like fight that you get with with Shannon it is on this mountainside and they are going up this very narrow path and here she comes on Wolf's back with two wolves flanking just like running down on the mountain and instantly. You're like this is going to be really fucking bad. All these guys have all these guys have ancient guns and they're on a very narrow path on a mountainside like this is gonNa suck for everyone involved and sure enough like dudes. Go flying off the mountain dudes get chopped to bits. Wolf gets shot and goes flying off the mound like instantly instantly. It's so fast and ugly and not like not like this neat little choreographed ballet. It's just what would happen. If three big big wolves fought fought a bunch of dudes with ancient rifles on the side of a mountain yeah. They're in elegant in a way that's interesting because the movie doesn't have these like Oh. That's fucking awesome. moment yeah like. I think he doesn't want people to get off on the violence right. Even though every time someone shows up you're like imagining the cheaper version of our son is like the Ku hero right and instead. He's like she's frightening. She is literally what someone raised by wolves would be like very like she is close to inhuman yes and like I she talking. You WanNa be like our. I'm with this Guy Right. He's like the audience surrogate but he's like well for money isn't evil arms. It Kinda Dopey yes. I don't know he he's he's genuinely baffled by most of the things going on because he doesn't understand why it can't be like how it is right. Where's the harmony guys balance yet the pretty pretty soon after the mountainside fight and after he meets everybody in town and cease Zahn with her blood face across the river. She's got. She got both regard but it's big. It's on the poster she got. She's got a blood face is when like the big fight in town happens and the whole time I was like look. How can I make this whole stop. It's like dude. You put in like fifteen minutes and let me just get in here. Hey this fight is bad and have you thought about not doing it and they're like everybody in that entire. Sequences like dude were into this fight we want to do like this is it. We liked this ally. We live rooting for this fight. He he's trying to pass the tax he wants to make crime illegal the crime legal much like Harvey Zantac Griffin and we have where it makes crime. You're not supposed to be in the dark knight rises. We're it's set after the heroic historic passage of the Dent Act which made crime illegal because before that there have been crime in Gotham and what was right army dent tied and they were like Dent Act. We should name enact after him about now. Grammy's back because people didn't like the cranberry like well. What are you GonNa do about it but you can't do it all. We're fell coney why he he robbed in bombed a bank yeah but like that's fine. I'm checking books for like a dental. nope just beating up that scarecrow. What did he do he through Nightmare Dustin People's faces. That's fine. That's okay we liked it. We liked having terrible name. craziest thing is that condom had a police at least four sat around being like just like dental to you on that. Nothing happened every morning. I ah take out their phone. They check the weather and then they go. Let's have crime is not still leave and then in dark knight rises illegal and then Bain bows up a football field. 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That's Kiwi Co dot com slash bike what happens next he takes aches and to the forest. There's a bad ass sword fight a- fight which I believe was the reason I wanted wanted to see this movie because I saw the trailer that had this really cool and also just a big fan really just that yeah. I don't think I was a big Fan. It is it a sign using this like a dagger and just wild wolf like just attacking every quarter of a second versus a bow she who's just moving like smooth shit like always and blocking everything and then after that happens for awhile. I should just like goes in and gut checks. Both them like fight over it is by it is cool when he just like runs out of the village and they shoot him and shit nothing sequences so long arm power it is very long and then put then takes her to the forest who shows up crazy forest antler the scary faces spirit man who also at night is a giant. Yes Johnny all goes off yes now. No one in the movie says any of these things you just Kinda. I have to put it together. Generally talk about the forest spirit yeah you could think that it was not a literal elk like like being when he shows up it is very much alike leans over girlfriend like that's the forest. I feel like the feet stepping and then growing pretty cool pretty cool and that's sort of a sense that that's a new this isn't just a regular animal right and also his head looks delicious Italian. It looks like the kind of head you could eat and get more Talia. I won't say the second came on screen. I went to Amazon was like do they have any force beer for. I was like I would love force spirit had severe that one twenty nine for two hours checking freshdirect anyone put it into yelp that is fall off the bone immortality side effects. You will live forever. That's really juicy. tends to just long as like don't overcook it. It's really moist also deliver him spirit. He's cool. I'm still going pictures. Ben Right now. There's big spirit. That's that's the big boy the night Walker. I think is what he's called right. Yes he's cool so he shows up and his head is on his body. He's got. He's got his own head right yeah. He's a cool guy when he's got his head. I it's when he doesn't have it that. He's a real he throws. There's a real shit. He does turn into a bit of a stinky baby when he doesn't have his head. That's an overrides. All of humanity blame them. You know can you. I think so much on my head off. I would just react by being dead and not doing any cuts true. I think that'd be pretty chill. If someone chopped my head off and we also meet the boars right right the bore the crazy blind bore God Akoto played by Keith David who is the greatest voice actor ever the greatest. Yes also one of the greatest physical actors effort to kind of. One of the best actors purity's amazing actor. I Love I love love him on the screen as well but he really is. He's like the greatest voice actor of all time yeah. I mean he's like Mel Blanc in history. It was my my brother and I were talking about What is the Best Keith David movie and we were like what is the question. What's the best movie he's been in or what's the best use of keys rave it and then when we tried to file it under the ladder we were like well but there's so many different ways you can use Keith David. It's it's hard to come up with a binary best. Use you know I want as much Keith David Wright in everything. All the time isn't Armageddon Rip Billy Bob He. This is the cat and core line. That's true. He's cameras father in something about Mary. If we're doing vocal performance Dr Faciliate in Princess and the frog Iraq is like yeah. This is a phenomenal perform rightly but if we're going best movie overall. I don't think it's the best movie but the thing is one of my favorites like you're like well. That's like maybe would be the best film best movie he's ever been in but he's not a but then like something like they live gives you a lot of Keith David but it's a more restrained a Keith David which is still a good flavor. It's bright but but then also like his and he liked the voice of Ken Burns's jazz which is just like ten straight eight hours a keep David talking to you about jazz. I was not aware of this. Is that True Yeah Yeah Narrator Keith David Tucker Jazz for ten hours. Yes how many hours we got here. We got ten episodes so let me Guess Open Up my Eichel and let me schedule for tonight. I'm sorry it's eleven hundred in forty minutes. So you know K. Let me time people to humans even live which is nineteen hours so it's nineteen hours jazz jazz talk from a just give me one second. Sorry guys give me one second here my eye cow and I am scheduling one continuous eleven hour orgasm for later tonight there we go okay. You Guys WanNa come over and watch kimber Jason. I Kau you can do that by yourself. I'm good really okay. I'll I'll go. I'll go I like I like the nineteen our PBS documentary about chest favorite favorite so you usually are disappointed when you go to the movie theater. That's your favorite what's never I've never seen him original nineteen hour documentary about jet like some. Hey you wanna go see Spiderman two. He's in one thousand nine documentary. No it's like two hours spiderman battling not even a small part the one thousand nine hundred section the middle that's that's. I almost got tricked into seeing whiplash. Luckily I sat down in a very comfortable seat in a big dark room and I had a big bowl of popcorn was like wait a minute wait a movie. I've seen movies on TV shows. I I need to get out of you. Realize this isn't going to be nineteen hours at all thankfully just in time you realize that that was not you know. It's not quite your tempa. What else is going on at the moment. Okay Poor's plight yeah. We didn't talk about the scene where he manages to rescue. Zahn and get her out. She liked invaded the village to care they fight. He breaks like I'm taking sign out of here. y'All can let me do it or not. Whatever whatever and then somebody shoots to give not a shot right yeah and he gets shot straight through his Tom. Tom Lifts up this huge ass wooden gate using using his spaghetti powers and then for spirit saves him right but doesn't take the curse away which is weird choice by the forest spirit fixes. The belly wound leaves leaves that Nasty Nasty Spaghetti mess on his arm. Has He really earned the right to have his curse taken away at this point. You know there's a difference between like saving saving a guy's life and cursing him. You could make a good case for that. He had earned it by rescue. Yes I think you could but I guess he hasn't learned his lesson yet. which which is if you take the spirit creatures head then things go very bad? Is the right you got to you got to learn it. It's very very simple sort of moralistic story. It's like a just so story right right. Don't take head. All Children need to learn at a certain age. You should not decapitate a forest spirit It don't think anyone's head I think is a good lesson for I think I think this is going a little more green. Yeah No. It's it's like isn't this movie kind of about like you know we were kind of a pain in the ass and then put shame to shove and we fucking took the forest spirits head and that was kind of a pivotal capital moment for us. We put it back but it was kind of too late. We violated -pletely sacrosanct. Everything worked out fine but if you look at hey nature scoreboard right. What's that yeah just say no? You cannot do it. You can put the head back but you can't really nature now knows how how we behave when the chips are down and it's not a pretty look. I'm that's why this movie is not my favorite Miyazaki because it is so intense and so like naughty that I rarely WanNa like not not not a rarely matches have fun but I love like you know even scary bore. God who's all fucked up. We did this to him like you know what I mean. Even though he's sort of like a caused villain in the third act there you're lucky this this is a human sickness. That's been visit out him and it's so great like that. I think is soon after the boar clan trying to attack the iron town forces and just getting fucked up and even like the wolf clan was okay don't do it. You're GonNa be absolutely just destroyed loyd. They go ahead with it and the last time you saw a photo. He was presented as this wise. Yes keep eighty yeah like this this wise Patriarch New York of this clan who when he finds out that that I should talk killed his his buddy this God he was like wow thank you for doing that. If I see you again I I'm GonNa have to give presents it in like this very wise way and then the next time you see him his everybody in his just got killed. He's got some of this like Spaghetti stuff. He's like corrupted by the forces of just not wanting to be yeah and then you see like maybe he's not this like untouchable wise because now he's just like afraid and we'll believe that anything just we'll believe anymore. If it means he gets to stay alive and it's it's such an like brilliant switch where you like the first game. Oh this is great. What a wise. This is the wizard of Oz. WHO's coming to save save the end and it's like no no kill me? Blah Blah Blah. I'm going to charge. I'm GONNA kill everything. It's it's interesting. Everyone's trans arrive and it brings it back to that first worming board. I began yeah yeah right like how that could have happened. Did we forget. This is another reason why this is not my favorite. Is I feel like the movie kind of drags a little bit at this part like right after you get all the good astonished. TACO like hanging out with the wolves then like then a bunch of stuff I am not the big showdown at the end is is busy. This is easily his longest movie yeah. This is to fifteen yeah. I know most movies like pretty pretty tight ninety. They're starting to get long because they experience as like a good two hours. wind rises is like two hours howls at this point is a nineteen our documentary about jazz at this point he sort of like okay he's like. I'm the master of Japanese entertainment for the last fifty years I can. I can maybe take two hours to tell my stories sure we jump over the scene where Moro has a conversation talk after he wakes up in their dinn- and goes outside and it's nighttime and it's just him in this giant both goddess she's like Hey. You should just like jump off uh-huh. She's like so great like it's on a spirit likes him so I'm sure he's okay and Saunas like hey morals like hey. Why don't you come over here all by your whole head. I know that you're trying really hard to stay alive but I just wanted to like easy pitch. I my mouth is very big and it has a lot of tea. It's so big and you love. You love my daughter. I think she's into you but I'm just coming. Eat Half your body. Just die so hard like the hardest anyone who's ever died. Have you ever done it. Can you say empirically that you know you don't like it. Maybe just a little bit there but you can't put the you you know toothpaste back in the tube. Does this what this movie is about. Just in general like we already even though you have this big epic battle of good versus when you have these like heroes rooting for like it's not the end of the day like everything is fine so you're saying I should stop recycling exactly no no no. It's more just sort of like yes the far ars system here and we can try and live in harmony with it but it is going to be like very difficult battle. It's the scoreboards already up. They've taken note in this ends. This battle though the war has like will linger yeah. It's it's it is why I think this is. The best of the ECO ventures is like it's it is the point of the movie at the end of it is not a dislike bald-faced face like we are bad to nature and we need to start being better about yeah it is it is about traditionally the only way this has worked is when there has been some sort of give it sustainable. Give and take with nature right. It's not like it's not this like annihilate like humanity's desire fire to to grow and take what it needs to appease itself. It's like yeah you're gonNA. Take what you need. Sometimes it's all about like figuring out a way. That is is somewhat sustainable. It's not like Whoa go nature who go nature. You're so great because and this one the nature also is villains right. It's terrifying and uncontrollable rollerball right. That's the crazy thing because most of those sort of ECO adventure movies. It's like there's a group of people who are like. I don't know I think nature's bad and then the heroes are like no we like it and nature is impartial sure right there just sort of fighting for or against the idea of thing and in this movie it's like no nature nature has a competitive relationship with us like nature prioritizes its own needs above our continued exist in our existences. The more they're of thus there are is going to be a problem and we're bad humor not great very bad. We're not great yeah. Humans are bores aid very true apes. They're like guerrilla gods who look like they're made of mounds of clay with glowing eyes and they much like me understand that everything's bad. Everyone's the worst right right yeah yeah. They're kind of you. Yeah forget about your very like look. There's come on this sucks right. There's just like trump is president. What are we this is. Just I'm not going to be in a good mood ever again. This is when the sort of Faquir Steph start tapping which is like secretly like that's my that's my that's your fam. Lia Big Big wild body horror like the end of Akira here is like I I like glued to the screen at the end of that movie visually just the wildest shit wherever love where it's trying to represent present something that you cannot understand right right and everything like from San getting swept up in the the Big Boars Evil Spaghetti Spaghetti that is just like a like threw her hands. It's like horrify yeah and ostracods just like jumping into the Spaghetti and and then of course the the climax of the movie like everything gets so fucked up at this part of the movie even more so than than it has been in the rest of it. Yeah it's like the end of the night elation. It's become like consumed by these forces sober lovecraft him but it is it's that it's that body. Hor thing but but but like extended to nature it body horror for the planet we live on right no no plan Ahora Planet or why not when accented hack axis and then of course as we all know this movie ends with all of them dabbing and and how you like me now plays right. That's that was how it went. It wasn't something to do with the forest monster. Whatever no I'm pretty sure spirit. They do the dougie right they do the Doug Hannon dentists to the Macarena teaches them how to Dougie why Memory Caesar's Lady Abo- she shoots the forest spirits spirit head and it falls to the ground and then everybody starts doing the Dougie because they're happy 'cause nobody likes the forest actually and that is he was weird and he had a face like a person but he had the body of a deer so in the face part was removed. Everyone was psyched and that's kind of integrity that Miyazaki has because no Hollywood film especially animated film with end with the characters learning how to do it is you've just laughing duckie. I just even though you know how bad it you know that it is a bad idea to cut that head off and I love how bad it is right away. Awake yes yes. It's so bad right and again the first time I saw it. I'm curious if Griffin had like this reaction. I felt like the climax had happened. They consign it been sucked up into noodle bees and Ashkali jumps in trying to save them and then more of the wolf mother comes and like sacrifices herself off to to save both of them while all of iron town watches both had already shot the force creature and like did nothing fell Baker Taylor yeah yeah if they save them. uh-huh Koto and Moro Di and the Forest Walker starts to walk back into the the the tree line to disappear and stay this weird ephemeral and then nope no shot right in the no horse thing happens and then it turns into a living fucking nightmare really like oh my I did not think this movie was going to get this this dark but even though it's scary also so you've got like Billy Bob. I don't know I should like take the hit right. Yes kind of like no one else can take the fucking thing. We need to get that has yeah well. You also get the most upsetting visual in this movie which is saying something which is moreover decapitated head like chomping its way across the ground inches biting radio. She's arm clean off in one gun. So why is it good call of loss of limited head while it would be like if at the end of the new lion king remake came up and just like chopped off his arm what one of knowledge legs at the end it is. It's so messed up the Lanqing remake should have had disembodied scar had movie was going to end and you're like they haven't really done anything different from the narrative of the original. They're like now. There's an extra thirty minutes where his head chases people around. You teased that bad. Bad things happen a lot when you cut off the forest creatures head Hell. It's the whole point of the move yeah. It's the whole thing Miyazaki trying to say but I don't think we've actually said what happened. Have Crazy Gu I mean I mentioned giant like Amoeba kind of sparkly Amoeba Venom. Oh it just kind of like venom then on the forest spirits Benham along it'd be like this is the Venom Prequel wres- not life life yeah to think about what the movie people thought. It was a venom prequel right. No it's bad it's bad good. This is bad. It's folks really bad Goo Goo. No it kills everything. It touches touches. It's pretty crummy grew go. I think it does kill everything it touches which is one thing against. It cannot be reverse. you get a really early great exchange between talk and this like guard like lady. Abo- she's bodyguard who has been just Kinda Dick the entire movie. Is this big so you know built dude wearing this heavy armor and the spreading all around them by the side of this lake and Hashtag jumps in and card is like I. I can't swim across the bottom. It's the best that you see him actually doing. I've always I've always really enjoyed that. Talk gets like weirdly Sassy. In the middle of of the apocalypse radd the whole thing's red scary. I like it. I mean to your point like the fact that it feels like the movie is hit. It's it's like Danny. MOM before. Shit hits the fan by the bright before Goo hits the fan by the time like all hell's unleashed. You're just like Oh. Oh there's no possible happy ending for this movie right. This movie can end with a temporary reprieve right. The best thing you can get is sort of like we he stopped the worst thing happening and we now have learned valuable and frightening lesson about messing with nature and far as spirits no good very bad no good very bad. Don't feel like this movie has a surprisingly calm uplift ending ending right because they managed to get the head back to the East Sta and it I guess it peacefully ascends into heaven die though it does it does die yeah so now it's just a regular forest like those are the stakes aches for the the nature scientists just like if this happens then this is just a regular forest. Not a magic God hood for the forest can't fight back anymore. Now humanity can just kind of slowly we chip away of it but the the wounds are going to linger and at the end like sounds like I'm GonNa go to the forest and protect it and I was like okay. I guess I'll go help with iron town and Lady. She's like we're GonNa make a better iron town this time a less bad mean and the whole thing is just like hey. The kids are GonNa be alright two and a half two and a half minutes ago. You're like this is the this fucking third impact like this is. They are all about to be turned into Goo. It's like this is it. This is it what what a wild ending and then it ends with like you know. Your twenties are weird for everybody. You gotTa Find Your Way you know some of them had to lose limbs and they all had to witness almost end of the world but then they figured out they should be nicer to trees and make a new best they the like the kind of like a top spinning at the end of of inception that happens during this whole apocalypse sequence for the goose killing everything all the cadets ah falling from the trees like I mentioned earlier like all of them doesn't just falling down headfirst dead dead dead and at the end of the movie you see a little one of them just like pop out it out of the forest just one little pop up and it's like I get it but also it's still kind of scary so I would be like it'd be dope if the forest did not have have these little Coda GMS you want him out there too much like when you buy a new house you hire like some kind of ghostbuster to go around and like banish those talk all those guys right now. If I had seen my boito terrell like walk around the background like he's cool. He's cool. He can stay bus can stack up can stay with trust. Totoro has a Kodama like chaperone if you're like if they're under his watch right. He seems pretty benevolent your with Totoro. That's fine. Come on in what happens. If you chopped his head off. Oh totoro sadly just turned into living flame like what what's what's the result and take our flesh would see her off exactly the very cinemas yeah well. This is the first kind of like proper box office game. Yes we're going to play the box office game now. Griffin you'll Griffin's GonNa try and how do you say this Mr Newman is going to try and guess the top five films of of the weekend that this came out in America now. This movie came out now i. I don't know if you're aware of this David. I believe you guys played around of this the venom recently right with right now. I am aware of release of Major League or Major League to this is a this is a long okay mini episodes. I buy buy to to survive the level of output. We have to instantly block everything we did. Tweak yeah you have. I believe played some some version of the box office game Griffin Khalifa. We've done a box game right around here and this one though okay and ninety seven yeah it's October Twenty Ninth Nineteen Ninety Nine Ninety nine ninety nine until nineteen ninety-seven right makes it to America two years later so this is one thousand nine hundred twenty years ago is the year the defined cinema history over ninety nine okay and number. One is one of the great movies of nine hundred ninety nine. It's a horror remake about at a house. It's the House on Haunted Hill. That was number one number one opening weekend bomber fifteen million. Hey Digs Ali larter Chris Cottin guarantee at that point the movie made forty Million Dollars House WanNa do and coming out like five months after the the haunting yes same years the haunted tank. It felt like Kinda like a second second hand goods after the haunting and it's still did fairly well incredibly long tagline align tech on six strangers to chance to make one million dollars each all they have to do is make it through the night alive very long time. That is a lot but now you get it right. They can make a million. I know exactly what it's about any of them. Make It. I've never never seen it. Okay yeah number. Two I believe also has taken digs so takes. I think yes he had been number one and two movies. This is the best man yes. It's the best man stays on top coming of age drama. The best man like what if one of your friends got married. Yeah tell you imagine yeah. I've seen the best man. That's the plot right. It's like these. They're getting married. Wow it's a fantasy honest. We've all dated each other yeah yeah so dig. This digs was on top takes us on top. He dug his way to the American. Doug digs at this point in time. America duck digs clear into the third is a movie. We've definitely discussed this before. It's a crime thriller one of those you you know young lady old man crime the bone collectors not the bone collector fuck. We definitely have discussed the weekend very close to the. I think the next year the one right after yeah this is like when the insider came out or something insiders probably like okay. This is another. It's an old man young lady young lady crime are rated thriller color. Yes the next weekend is the insider interesting. Okay are either of them cops. I think he's a cop. You think he's a cop and she's not she's a prisoner. She's a prisoner. Boy is a double jeopardy being a double jeopardy. Tommy Lee Jones and Ashley Judd Tommy Lee Jones. I the parole officer so sort of like COPPA Jason Interesting Double Jeopardy. Yeah sometimes murderers legal yeah. Do you think Billy Bob was on the bench for that. One mirrors and we cry. He was no Tommy Lee Jones answered picked up the phone double jeopardy. I can't can't do him yeah yeah. He's impossible to do this shouldn't be he's got a great. Texan accent nailed it. That's true. He didn't number four number four David's thinking it was a big movie this year genuinely a very big deal movie now somewhat ridiculed I think for it's sort of like huge which cultural impact at the time not. American beauty is it is American beauty American beauty. Was this like it had just come out seventh week. This was set became became out September fifteenth and it just sort of trundled along like just like never left. The top ten meets had it wasn't like it wasn't like a big. It was a hundred and thirty million dollars. Now I know is a huge okay since it's GonNa make lots of but no but that's the crazy thing is like a box office hit and it's like what is it about this guy. He's sick of being married and sharing wants to sleep with a teenage sex. Criminals plays a man who wants to fuck his his daughter's friend and jerks off in the shower bunch. No that's the thing like best picture winners. Don't do that well anymore. No no they're not guaranteed not to like clean up occasionally something that already was a hit will win best picture like the departed but something like American beauty which like made a bunch of money and then won best picture and then made even more money Kim making money back more got us. It's an American obligation was an American movie. It was American movie American. NBA Even Green Book didn't do that well here and then it crushed in China. I did every other country like other Griffin. Did you know that the cream book was is a colossal sensation in China now yes. I did not know that it's always a shock to find out what the what the Chinese movie going Audience Sables. You loved it. They loved Green Book that Green Book and warcraft man. That's all we need number. Five American beauty made at this point fifty four halfway into not even crazy number. Five is an inspirational true story movie Inspirational True Story Movie. Was this kind of like an Oscar play. Yes it got one Oscar nomination maybe to acting getting acting and I think a song for Big Daddy Adam Sandler's big president spatial movie. They've yup becomes the biggest daddy of them on. Can I say something very embarrassing Jesus. It's well established on the PODCAST. I think it actually is and I almost never talk about it. I loved guns N. roses. Maybe you have talked about sure but it's like one of the the biggest outliers in my personality. Were really like my favorite band. I for for a very long time thought that sweet child of mine was an original composition written and performed by Sheryl Crow. Oh for the film Big Daddy. Oh did. She like cover it for big. Daddy's some fucking rules wisn. Everyone jamming on this amazing song already got no then three years later. My cousin got me appetite for destruction for my birthday and I was like they did a cover of a sheryl crow song and then I did the timeline stuff so you know what you said. This was GONNA be embarrassing. Yeah Bingo. You had a house in America. Everyone should be loving sweet. Shell the Mino now. I want to hear show. I had no idea Sheryl Crowe did anyway. That's not this movie to be clear. I guess go ahead and the guests from the fact that you said Bonani by. The Way is sixtieth at the box office. This weekend made thirty thousand dollars one of the biggest movies the year though huge moving huge room my guess based off the fact that you said it was an acting now mission song. No nation is music of the heart correct directed by wes craven. Wes Craven after making eighteen horror movies. It's like what if I made a movie about like a Nice Violin teacher in the Bronx so inspirational. It's scary yeah. A friend of mine is in that movie. A friend of mine is in that movie as well. Who's your friend talk about my okay. I went to high school with someone. That was her only acting jobs. She wanted the violent he was. I think she is now because the kids they're like five actors playing each kid at different ages right yeah ah I've never seen it but apparently they went into music at the heart. Can I guess who your friend was. Who was in music at the heart and you don't get it right. You say yes isn't Meryl Straight now. There's a hundred percent or is it. Angela Bassett Angela Bassett Senate Gloria Estefan. I had no idea I think we're Estefan is. It's one of her rare acting roles. You're right okay. Can I guess now we're playing the music of the heart game name and I guess who the Guy Yeah Leeann sure. I've never seen this movie. Okay I'm going off off of my memory of the. VHS Shot is aiding Quinn is eight and wow he of the two different colored eyes. Here's two different color yes. It's a plot point in practical match. It never knew it well. This is a great way for this episode. Dan Kieran Culkin is in it. Okay clarice leach men and yeah and the song was instinct. This was that famous best song year at the Oscars Bob Dylan. No that's the following the next year this is the Phil Collins South Park Song and blame Canada Canada who have music of the heart by instinct you have when she loves me the clock right and you have any man save me right and then fucking Phil Collins one for whatever Tarzan you'll be the the greatest song. I wish they nominated trash in the camp instead. Is that Carson Fun so they were like. We're asking the camp. We're into this adult rap music is I know I'm about to Donald. Aww As music thank you. I'm so glad you remember this. I remember that when arrives in the movie. She says the phone has arise definitely does yes. I remember that but but they offered her the role and she was like great. I get to sing one of those classic. Disney songs and they're like no like thinking going a little different direction in this one. It's just GonNa be Phil Collins singing songs over the soundtrack. The characters don't sing and she was like. I will only do it if I can say so. There's a scene where the monkeys destroyed the human camp and while it's happening Rosie o'donald S- cats and it's called trashing the camp trash they didn't want to break the reality by making you can get a full musical so instead the animals make like percussive noises while breaking rains belongings and Rosie O'Donnell goes escape poverty. Bob and Abu Dhabi and it goes on for five minutes and FM won an academy the only thing I remember about that owning news that Chris Rock was the first choice for that role for Turk yeah and they they they they offered it to him and he was like no thank you so then they went to Rosie. I remember it was like they wanna be like play. A monkey and I was like when you know it's okay. 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You look conditioners or even that thing where like when you're walking around and you're like. Oh is it raining and then you realize this little drip drop from the air conditioner if you we had the eye on the top right around to figure that out you know immediately the amount of the minimum you're saving is interesting credit drone and you wanted to check it out. You'd have have a better chance of catching a side of it. I love the drones exists. I feel like I don't get to see them enough. Inaction 'cause they're way above my head. If frigging burglar's or spice repelled down from the ceiling who's Spiderman. He's a menace. You're talking about Wacky Web crawler yeah exactly he's administer the city so you could see Griffin. Thank you so much for doing our show and talking about the princess with us yeah of course do do you have eighteen title. PODCASTS never explain itself. I just was it just means spirit princess in Japanese. 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T+166: Laura Klicker and Daniel Gillies, Astrobotic

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T+166: Laura Klicker and Daniel Gillies, Astrobotic

"Hello and welcome to main engine cutoff. I'm Anthony. Colangelo and we are back with to special guests today. told you had some good interviews. Coming up in today's a good one. We are talking with members of Astro botic. They are a company that has two different commercial lunar payload services contracts with NASA commercial, lunar, payload, services, or clips, as I'm sure you'll hear US refer it. As is a program. That Nasr's running to bit out different awards for missions to the lunar surface. This is kind of a commercial cargo. Ask firm fixed price awards that commercial companies bid for they compete on technical basis and price, and they fly these missions to the lunar surface. Astronautic has two different ones flying. They're going to be flying. Flying Their Peregrine, lander, that does about ninety something kilograms to lunar surface, and their Griffin Lander that does about five hundred kilograms. That latter award is for the Viper Rover that NASA is working on that, we'll be looking for volatile around the lunar South Pole as a precursor mission to be able to develop lunar resources into useful resources for human missions to the lunar surface. So today we are talking with lar- clicker, who is the payload systems management lead Astra and Daniel Gillies. Who is the mission director for the Griffin Mission? That I was just talking about so they've both got really interesting insights to provide us with. On the both fronts of these two different missions are obviously sharing a lot of technical commonality, but do diverge heavily in what they're both going after, so I'm really excited to talk with them. And if you remember if you've listened for a long time, we have now. This'll be the cycle of us. Talking to all of the different currently confirmed commercial lunar payload services program providers. We've talked with masten space. We've talked with intuitive machines, and now we're rounding it out here with astronautic so without further ado. Let's give Laura and Daniel call. Laura and Daniel Welcome to managing cutoff. It's pleasure to have you both here on this all Pennsylvania. Of The show! Thank you. Thanks for having, US. So we've got. Maybe to start. To deal with the two guests situation, everyone out there listening keeping track of everything. I'd love to hear both of you just run down what your roles are at astronautic, and maybe a little bit of what your day to day work looks like. So that everyone has context as we get into all these different topics, so we'll go. Laura I if you don't mind. So I'm the lead payload manager here at asked robotic. I've been working here for four years. Started off with our commercial payloads of course, and then we won the task order to A. And so I was working with. Those payload is just totally messed up. The two names deny task order to task order twenty I've just mash them together and one so yeah started off with that one and worked with those NASA pilots than we one task order twenty eight and I've been working with those payloads. As we continue to hire so my day to day is lots of emailing back and forth the payloads, getting the clarity on some interfaces, services operations, and taking those notes to the engineers on our side, and making sure at the end that it's all going to come together and work, so you mentioned the two. Different task orders are those both for the Peregrine mission that will talk about are those the internal in the corner, external payload orders or those something else? Those are One was for the Pagan and the other one is for the new. Griffin mission so okay cool. Daniel how about you? Sure. Daniels I am the mission director for our Griffin mission carrying by Ter- on so my day to day had asked her. Botox is pretty much program management whether that's the budget are staffing for the mission of coordinating with our Payload Management Team which Laura Manages our systems engineering team, which another colleague of our Sean Manages. And the rest of the engineering groups who are supporting Griffin and really just making sure we come together for an executed mission staying on schedule staying in cost and having a good customer experience as well. My backgrounds rockets primarily before this mission management roles that are a variety of different size. Rockets dedicated in rideshare. also worked on helicopters, airplanes and started on space shuttle. You're trying to get the full cycle here you've got. Wings rocket engines now landing legs going for the whole. The whole circuit of vehicles I know I got balloons in there, too. I'm trying to think of what what platform missed. I think. I got them all I. think that's it. That's a full cycle for sure hovercraft. I don't know if that counts. So, yeah, the acrobatic is you've got to missions on the manifest here for the commercial payload services. Original. You're one of the original award winners back in the day for that first mission for Peregrine. That's got about ninety five kilograms of space. We're I believe about a year out from that mission the last time line I saw. So long. Could you talk us through that mission profile? Generally you know we've got launched on the Vulcan first launch of the Vulcan Center. And then could you just walk us through what that mission looks like from there all the way down to the Lunar Service? Sure. So launch that's going to be happening. Then we separate from the launch vehicle, and after that we sort of begin, mean we break it out into the Israeli simple phases for payloads. We begin the transit phase which we sort of divided up into cruise, which is everything between? Separation from the launch vehicle until we insert into lunar orbit and then Lunar Orbit, we have three of those I one just get into lunar orbit second one is a bit more stable, and then the third one is in preparation of dissent. During that time we're going to be supporting some payload checkouts, but that's really not where the main mission is happening, so the excitement I'll starts when we do our descent. Orbit insertion and then we have our unpowered descent, and then our power descent that takes. Less than two hours I believe during that no payload. You're going to be doing anything, but that is going to be sort of the really critical as of our mission after that land will turn on our higher. Gain antennas and that's when the Pale is really get to do their exciting science Sort of the short version, yes, or their their payloads that are going to take use of that transit phase, or is that something that you could support in the future, but this mission doesn't have it giving the first in. You're kind of breaking some ground here or or is that something? They're going to be taking advantage of. Some payloads are going to be taking some interesting. Science or data points during transit, and especially to get a comparison with the data they would be taking on the surface, and there is also the opportunity to join orbit, so we're not actually having any pilots take advantage of that on the first mission, but that is definitely a potential for future missions for pilots to take advantage of. And then Daniel and the Griffin side of things got a bigger lander there. You're up in the four hundred kilogram range. If I'm remembering my numbers correctly, obviously you've got a giant rover on top called Viper, that is the the main focus of this mission but are there going to be other involved in this mission as well kind of the same mission profile, or are there other differences between the peregrine flight and the Griffin Flight? Sure, I so the payload compliment on task order twenty a als also known as Griffin by permission. includes Viper, which is a four hundred seventy five kilogram payload that includes the Viper Rover, as well as the separation system would actually attach it to the lander I'm and there's actually a NASA as well so you know you could do ranging. Ranging Experiments from Earth on pretty much. One of those seems to fly on every mission going to the moon at this point so that's pretty exciting on this far as other payloads, not not really in the plan on this is burlesque dedicated mission I'm for these two NASA payloads and the equipment that were carrying on the rover as been really tailored. Rover on the land or I should say tailored exactly to that so for example there is a dual ramp system on Griffin to allow Viper to egress in one of two directions so that in the event there was something on the surface. You still have a way away off. That really begins to drive your payload accommodations in many ways, and we don't want to do anything that would. Jeopardize of vipers mission objectives. As far as mission profile, it's actually very similar to everything that Laura described for peregrine. Everything we really are doing on Griffin has some basis in peregrine whether that's from cops, hardware, architecture, or just how we planned ops once we get on the surface, although for this mission. I'm really the goal is get viper to surface and allow viper to safely egress from Griffin after that it's all bonus, but that is our primary objective deliver viper to the moon and allow egress onto the surface. I WanNa talk a lot about the different payload interface on both landers but I. do want to get into one thing about. More on the management side in the interaction with NASA on both of these I know in the early days, and I think some of these are changing the way that this functions on the later clips payloads, but you're going to need to. Correct me here where I'm wrong. Originally, there was. I think in the earliest round you could bid and say we will take this collection of payloads to the lunar surface, and then maybe in the later era of clips that we're entering. It's more of a Pi. Lead process for determining what's GonNa fly to where I. Don't know how much I just got wrong. They're so large could you may be correct us on on the interaction that you have with NASA and. What you know, the manifest that for your flight how that comes together and. Starts in the early development days and goes all the way through launch and deployment. So. I'm not quite sure. On on NASA sad the way they're putting together the manifests I know that we did get one manifest from NASA. And I do work directly with those P. is as well as an a a NASA person sort of looks over the entire manifest. So that way. It's making sure that the individual NASA payload science is going to be achieved, but then also making sure that. The task order. There's a whole everything that was in there. As a contract is also being respected by both parties, so I'm not sure if I quite answered your question. No, no, that's definitely good. Yeah, and you know in the case of vipers. You're talking about that. That is the main and only payload for the Griffin flight. But but on the side you're going to have a collection of of payloads making up the entire mission. You do have a couple of different interfaces. Could you talk through the spots on the Tarragon lander that different payloads will be able to take advantage of on the lunar surface. Yeah, so we do have the decks. That's mostly the very standard location for payloads. There's underneath the deck, so we have a lot of pails WanNa, look at the lunar surface. Someone WanNa see the transition from light to dark dark to light, so you can be on different sides of the spacecraft. There's on top of the decks that's mostly for radiation sensors or other things I want to look into the sky. We're actually placing. Our retro reflector for that mission up by our solar panels, so that's a very special location. But other than that. It's mostly very very similar at least mechanical interface wise. For All of the payloads. The other interfaces are also very very similar. We have standard data and power interfaces The operations are probably where it gets the most interesting for the differences between. Payloads, so some pilots have one mission that they WANNA time. I guess three days in, and it's only can take an hour. Other payloads WANNA be continuous throughout, and then of course we have rovers that are going to deploy and their interfaces change very drastically. So! Now. Is that setup kind of the basic peregrine setup or in the future of peregrine flies again or when it flies again? Are you expecting there to be changes in that configuration, or is this kind of like the peregrine one to one that we're dealing with first mission? So we definitely want to keep interfaces standard, and we definitely WANNA keep interfaces at work I mean we are adapting to the needs of the science community so especially for future missions. We're looking at more things like data storage, so there's definitely room for to change, but we'd like to keep things as consistent for our ease, and for these at the science community. And Daniel, the Griffin side. Obviously, you're already specializing this. A lot for this initial mission. How far down the development of Griffin or the work that was already ongoing with Griffin when Viper came in. How much of a diversion from these standard payload, interfaces, vipers mission, and could you give us a sense of mission? That isn't flying a rover in a very specialized way. What the lander said would look like for something like that. Yeah actually. There is a a live work that was done before going into this mission officially, so he had actually are. Griffin configuration prior to this was actually already configured for a large rover of own Pereira's Polaris, that was on top of Griffin Menendez is the dual ramp system was actually developed. At least to a prototype stage, obviously, it didn't didn't fly, but that set up the basis griffin was designed with the thought of having a very large payload on top and very likely a rover on top that being said there actually is a deck system very similar to Peregrine, so there is a significant amount of space on the vehicle for carrying say the same complement payloads that we have on our spare mission. We could carry those on Griffin just in a slightly different place, so it's favorable in that way looking to the future, you could use your imagination here a little bit while there will be mission specific hardware like the ramp system for a large rover. Let's say we didn't have a larger over. Let's say someone wanted to bring. an orbital spacecraft to the moon. Well, you can imagine if. If Viper was not there for the next Griffin mission after all theoretical, you could put a deployable satellite there and deployed in lunar orbit, and then continue down to lunar surface, carrying all the other payloads kind of nested under your wings on the deck of Griffin, so it is very configuring from that regard on I. Do want to go back to the question mass earlier about kind of the payload. And how it's coming to US I'm you're exactly right that? On the first mission there was the ability to say I will take this to the Moon and that is why the three. Original contenders on the Tokyo to task order had a different payload manifest. Not everyone's the same so intuitive machines is a very different configuration than we do on our paragraph. We're also carrying a number of Commercial Patriots Peregrine. Going forward the way the task orders have been set up have been asking. It's kind of all or nothing, so bring all of this to the surface. That doesn't preclude you from flying commercial payloads. That is your choice as A. Service provider as a landing service provider. But th-. Really it's all or nothing that creates its own set of unique requirements challenges. I think we're open to to both construction the future where we're asked to bring a whole complement of payloads, the Moon or if. There's request for one payload to go to as part of one of our future commercial missions, either one of those is something we're open to, and we know Nasr's thinking the same way, so we look forward to future task quarters. Sounds like something that you know as somebody who's worked on the rockets side and the launch services side. It's very similar to a lot of the task, orders or launch contracts. They signed on that side of things where somebody has a primary payload and you've got extra space. You can sell it is that? It's not A. That that's the way that this is structured now in the future. No, you're exactly right and in some ways. If you really really think about it, the extension of of the rocket in the lunch service we're effectively a really really sophisticated upper stage. We get dropped off at a t ally point, so we get all that energy from the rocket, but then we've got a coast to the moon, and when we get to lunar orbit, we've gotta do a breaking Burns, so there were acting very much like stage. And, then there's a series of other Burns that get us all the way down to the surface, so yeah, effectively you know. A big part of the lander is the propulsion system. It's a large part of the mass large part of the structure. So in my mind I think about it very much like a launch service, except were providing some really specialized functions at it kind of it merges the hosted payload mindset, which is like all of the payloads that are on our peregrine mission are affectively hosted payloads, and in some regards except for the. Little Rovers that go off on her own. On, the Viper mission, it's much more laker traditional launch service contract. They come on top of us. We actually don't even meet with the flight hardware until we get to the launch site for payload integration very much like launch service. I'm in an after that. We're integrated stack, and we go all the way together to the moon that way. It's interesting to. To look at the similarities in the peregrine side among you know the early award winners clips the the lands that were selected. So you've got peregrine, you've got. Slander and intuitive machines lander they look very similar in terms of their metrics, their size and shape, and the format of what the lander kind of sits on the surface, the way that it's just on the services very similar, which is extremely different than we're getting off topic now, but the human landing awards that were given out recently. Those look incredibly different from you know competitor to competitor, and now we see with Griffin. It's a different format. We obviously don't see what everyone else bid for this mission. But you can kind of assume the demands of a rover. Going to lunar surface would require something like this, do you? Is there anything that we should make of the way that there's kind of a convergent evolution in the sense of how these lunar landers are shaped and function as something? Intrinsic to these missions that require that or you feel like it's you know there's something else. That's pushing everyone in the same general direction. Really good question. I think there's a few different ways to approach that one while they may look the same for the first set. Actually have some very different internals. Gots, so you know. We made the decision to use storable propellant on our entire series of landers so. That's a mon- H. Combination compared to cryogenics that some of our competitors are using that that means. Our ops very different than those of our competitors. We think simpler and kind of more similar to what you'd see on a Geo bus. For example. I'm having to do that. Big Big boost from a lower earth orbit all the way up to GIO. And really designed for longer duration missions, so we re definitely think into the future in that way. As far as why they're starting to look the same, otherwise, power demands are very similar so when you go to the poll for example, you're gonNA start to see landers that have solar panels surrounding their exterior, usually as the simplest case, it's not the only solution now you could go for articulated surfaces for example deployable, but there's a complexity trade, so I think what you'll see. Initially, especially I'm what we're seeing with clips. You're seeing the design decisions for the most part on that make the most sense for the target prices that we need to hit the risk level that everyone's willing to accept. And really do it the first time after you floated Michener to, you'll get comfortable, and you'll probably be to see them. Diverge in specialize more for each of their own independent niche that they're they're catering to whether that's driven by the payloads, or it's driven by the particular part of the Moon. They want to go to an all purpose. Lander is GonNa look very different than a polar Pacific, a specific or a mid-latitudes specific lander. So this is some of the things I think you have to keep in mind. Yeah. That's really good to consider especially when you're looking at all these different conceptual designs. There's a lot of companies in clips right. They've all put out. A diagram with their land looks like so it's good to assess the influences they all have. Now minute ago Daniel mentioned the fact that there are commercial payloads that would be flying as part of these same Clinton, clips missions so from your perspective handling all of these different kinds of organizations that are providing. You've got NASA in one hand that are it's kind of you. Know the the tenants or the the anchor tenant of these missions, but you do have other commercial partners that are coming into this outside of the clips program. What is that interaction like? How do you find people that are willing to pay money to fly to the moon? And how does their interaction differ than the interaction with the clips provided payloads. I suppose minor action starts at the point where they've already decided to pay the money. To. At that point, that's great. That's someone else's job, but it is. It is a different. Experience an interesting cast of characters always. So NASA. They've done space before. They have their processes and all of these documents, so they know what they're doing a lot of cases, and that makes it simple in some sense, but they were also a higher risk sort of commercial program so sometimes. It's difficult to convince them that. No, this is fine. We don't need twenty four for this and for the commercial ones at sort of. Can Be sort of the other way around there there as excited as we are and willing to. Make things work in unique different ways, but it's also okay well. We'd still have all of these. Do No harm requirements that we need to do so it's coming at it. From two different sort of angles different risk approaches I. Think is mostly the. The biggest difference. For! What is the relative sizes of not not in terms of like mass, but maybe amount of payloads? What is the breakdown between payloads flying? That are NASA payloads, versus what portion of the flight would be a commercial provider external to to NASA. So for our first mission. It's sort of almost half half amount. Wise Mass. Wise I don't think it falls quite that direction, but it's it's about half. So that's that's more significant than I would have guessed. Does that seem to indicate that there might be sufficient man to fly emission that isn't just eclipse mission in any hypothetical world. long in the future is there. Something in the next couple of years that would be not a clips led mission. Do you think that's that's in the cards? I think so I mean there's tons of other government agencies out there universities and then private industries, and maybe it's probably not going to be a griffin mission of commercial payloads, but it's I think there's definitely enough interest out there and once we see that these clips led missions. Land and are safe and can get us there. I think a lot. More interest will also be given to future missions Oh. It's proven that it can work so now. More people are willing to invest money in commercial. Lander providers and we're really seeing an uptick in interest right now. I think the fact that now we've not only are committed to deliver the payload on Peregrine, but where pat pushing forward on the Griffin mission with Viper, it's really built confidence within the industry like the interest has always been there, but it's win. That interests converts into actual dollars in the commercial world. We're seeing happen, so we definitely we would love to fly out a fully commercial mission, but that's not going to need you know NASA has a load bowl of course, if it could fly on the mission as well it just it depends on where they wanna go what they wanna do and what they're form factor is. I. Mean even say that you know I. There won't be a commercial emission with Griffin will. Really it's depending on payload if there were a large deployable satellite that we wanted to carry a long, Griffin's well set up for that a large rover, obviously Griffin, as well set up for that or just just a smorgasbord of payloads at WanNa go to the poll. We'll have already done it so. That provides some really interesting opportunities, and maybe even pre-positioning for some of the man man missions in the future as well. Sample return seems like a one. That's ripe for something a little bit bigger, the size of Griffin I assume that's enough space to do something like that. Is that something that I mean obviously who's not interested in doing a sample return mission, but do you think Griffin have the payload capacity to pull something off like I think it just depends on the specific amount of sample. You WanNA bring back. Just put put a pair on a Griffin and we're ready to go. for your perspective on the the Griffin Mission I think there's a mindset thing coming at this as the second mission to go up. You know for Astro botic. Well I guess you could count. Moon Ranger right as the second mission but the second dedicated lander mission. Are there things that you are taking from the team that's working on the peregrine mission and lessons that you're learning from their side anything that you're doing differently than the first time through given that they're a year whatever it is ahead of the Griffin. Mission from this point every every process we ply is being tested out with peregrine, and really it's not like a created these things from scratch a lot of the processes that we follow it asks robotic or based in more traditional NASA systems. Engineering Management Plan. For example, a lot of us know that by heart and we've applied it in. How do business so to give examples to payload management process that is more internally tailored something. Laura has really led We've learned from that. We are tweaking it and adjusting it apply to a singular payload versus a whole variety of them, and really understanding what's needed when what interfaces really matter? which ones do you have more flexibility on a scheduling? I honestly for anyone who's coming into this new like? Hey, your company and you WanNa come build a lunar lander. There's a lot you're gonNA. Learn the first time around a lot of your assumptions from the spacecraft, world might get blown out of the water. So having that experience on peregrine is just so important and that's why within astronautic we really are. We don't have dedicated teams in the sense that someone only works on Paragon or someone only works on Griffin within our planetary landers group. We have what's called a Matrix Organization, so we have common leads, so Laura is the lead of the Payload Management Team but within her team she'll pick people from the team to work Peregrine Work Griffin. Griffin and sometimes they might crossover, and that's good, because then knowledge is transferred, and all those lessons learned are transferred organically, versus you know having to to force them through some really rigid process, so yeah I i. Am I am so grateful that we are flying that paragraph mission I or even just designing it I and where it is in its development. All the vendor relationships that we've set up all of the partners. It's just awesome. Now one of the primary differences in terms of getting to the finish line for these that the Griffin mission is obviously if vipers not ready to fly the missions, not ready to fly on Burger inside S- quite a few payloads that are involved in this case, so this might be something that you could talk to about you know if. What is the driving factor for the schedule of Peregrine mission is it? Is it a critical mass of payloads? Being ready to go? Is it the case that if one is delayed? The whole thing is delayed. How does that play out in terms of scheduling the actual flight? I think the. Factor for 'EM. One is really going to be mostly launch on our side. The manifest is closed. So I think if the manifest weren't closer would be probably a different story, but. This is also coming from all the other sites as well. All of these payloads, a lot of them are already ready to go. and. It's just a matter of making sure that we integrate them on time and all of that. It's. One payload is going to delay the whole launch. Payloads at aren't ready. We're also working with them and seeing if can move them on future missions since that's. Since there is interested in that as well so we're not trying to kick anyone off, and we're also trying to delay the launch for one singular payload. I think it's sort of a team effort in that sense Missing the buses annoying, but you know there's another one coming. Down the line right and that's that's the strength of clips. Is that it is this series of missions? It's not like you know. The Paragon flight is a complete one off. which historically was the worried that? There's only one chance to get there, so you've got to be ready at the time, so? Access, that's definitely. That's a really good indicator that that's going to be a fun flight to watch and not something that is because we've heard horror stories probably in Daniels over at the launch services, companies of some rideshare missions getting really messy, considering how many payloads there are. But, it seems like things are going to be a little bit more sane on on your end here. In terms of the flight so. To that end, though the fact that clips is a series of missions, other are these other providers I've had members of mass in and the intuitive machines. Teams on the on the show before so this is you know in the way that Daniel has worked every form of locomotion in world. I've now talked to all the providers. They've talked a little bit about some crossover between the teams in terms of helping each other out to some extent that you're trying to solve similar missions is. Is that something that is continuing to this day? What kind of firewalls in place and is it? Is this kind of a team effort? Daniel you were talking about this second ago, internal after Botox. Maybe you could talk about external to astronautic as well. Well, you know there. There are venues within the clips program for all the vendors to get together on the same call and ask questions, so that forum always exists. We welcome our competitors to reach out to us. They're saying subsystems that maybe. WanNa fly on an earlier mission. Reach out to us they want to collaborate on something that we all need together. Reach out to us. something that you know I I'm beginning to see and then I'm thinking. We're GONNA. Push a lot harder for is on things like communication standards. There are different approaches to how you communicate with the Moon within our F as well as the kind of up and coming of laser com on their other NASA. Assets they're be orbiting around the moon in the next few years. That will have communications capabilities. All those things are really exciting, but if you're not in alignment with encoding. Standards. Frequencies of its are F, or or system design in terms of laser. Come on, it's not really gonNA work. It's not gonNA really help develop a commercial market for that, so I'm really already looking at ways that we can strengthen those partnerships and communications with other clips providers, but there our foreign lenders that are. On their way to the moon or design phase right now, we'd love to chat with all of them to maybe get some level of standardization, because it'll be to everyone's benefit right at the today. Certainly as using Mars is an example with how many landed assets are relaying communications through the orbiter's. That's something that I've been interested in and you brought up here in terms of communication on the lunar surface. On a recent viper press call I asked a question about the communications at Viper would be using the mission whether it's direct earth or relayed through the lander. It sound like all of those were looked into. They're going with direct to earth at this point but the the south bowls. Obviously, there's some interesting aspects when it comes to communication. Can you talk a little bit about the communications aspect of Griffin and the capabilities? You have things that you've looked into and how you ended up on the route that you're going with your. An our communication system is sized for the mission requirements. Because really it is something that's a bit more modular compared to other elements of the lander, so we can always swap to a different com- system integrated or even have more than one. If it came down to that so on Griffin, we obviously also do direct earth. There is no relay. Viper sitting on top of US they're chatting with the deep space network on our mission one. We chat with DSS in the SNL is definitely an option for Griffin, but we're actually really focused on looking forward and working with commercial calms providers with Griffin, which is pretty exciting. We know that something that NASA says towards in terms of encouraging. The commercial market to kind of Meld more with with calms and deep-space com, so we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA push that forward to with Griffin on this particular mission with fiber. really won't change anything about architecture. We use the same communications architecture that we have on peregrine with the difference. Being added a high gain antenna for operation at the South Pole as there are certain considerations with a lunar terrain, low angles basically. You're just shooting right over the surface. Direct reports earth when it's above the horizon, and that can create some unique challenges for calms, so on the way to the Moon Viper communicates with her directly. It actually does pass data through through Griffin through a hard line. At then we get to the surface, we both go off and do our own merry way, and communicate with their directly as well. I will mention on the peregrine mission, however we do have Wifi, so we have the capability already to do a rover to lander to Earth, however, with Griffin Viper That wasn't even a requirement. imagine why the rover continues on for a much longer duration mission the landers there to do one job and it's to. Deliver the rover, and after that, it's pretty much mission complete, so that requirement didn't exist. That would just be more scope and more scope growth to be able to last and provide that communication service, but can we do it? Absolutely, we're already doing it. It really just depends on what the top level mission requirements are objectives I want to add in the. The future you know part of our plan for these landers has always been to act as a service provider on the lunar surface whether that's power calms you name it, so that is absolutely part of architecture, but I think as you see us working on commercial missions. Coming down the line, you'll start to see more of those services made made available. And to your point about the you know the topography that you're dealing with where Griffin is going for this mission on that call that I mentioned they they did say that there's GonNa be times that their out of out of sight of the lander. Anyway because they're going into WHO's craters and things like that, so it made more sense to do director Earth and. Unfortunately can't rely on on any given satellite being overhead at any time, so it makes sense and it and it goes to your point of saying that you know you've got to build landers specialized to the location that you're going to. There's many differences between where these things are heading so. It's just cool to see how much diversity in terms of architecture we're having. Now that we've got a bunch of flights manifested so as space nerd, I am nickel excited about it. Yeah, absolutely, and you know you. You can build a I mean. In the end, the bus is generic. It's think of it as the mission kit that you WANNA fly. You'RE NOT GONNA. Bring hardware to mid latitude location that you don't need their same thing at the poll, though at the Paul you pretty much, you need it all that's GonNa. Really be the performance driver for our missions. When you begin to talk about the far side, will then it's. It's even more unique, but don't think of them as custom design landers, they're more custom configured. So pull out that option. pull out that configuration kit to go to a specific location just like it. Put on your jacket to go outside in the cold or shorts to go to the pool. Love that. Laura I don't know if this is something that will be able to dive too deeply into at this point, but I did see an announcement a couple of months ago now that you're working with dynamics on their human landing system to provide payload services, commercial pilot services for that human landing system as well. Is there some background that you'd give us on that program itself how it functions and what we might see there in the future, obviously given that they are in study phase. They're under contract, so I know touchy, but maybe there's some stuff that we can talk about their. I suppose this can go back to the point that Daniels making. The more standard, the interfaces are across the industry. The better it is for all of us. So. You're developing a payload, and then you only have to develop it to one standard. You can fly it on these ten different landers. That's better for you, and it's better for us. Because all of these payloads are coming to us with a standard interface, so we're I. think that's sort of one of the goals of this is to help develop a standard. Interface that makes it easier for payloads and for us to be able to accommodate each other on the way to the moon. That's cool, so yeah I mean it sounded like the way you were talking before about. If any payload needs to shift between flights that is made easier by having standardized interfaces in the same way that any given launch service provider can re manifested cube set. Per employers that that's kind of the idea there, but I guess for his. Loads mainly the idea here. That's interesting well. I'm looking at my list as you two are just blowing through answers here. You're too efficient for my. List here. The one thing I wanted to touch on with Griffin. This is my last question. That I have that I. have not asked. I was personally surprised. That NASA was willing to double up on a particular provider for these early flights of clips. But clearly there's major technical and business reasons that they went with. Griffin, so, what? What is it that you think is the competitive advantage that that allowed Griffin to win the Viper mission. Absolutely I mentioned we. We added design on the table. We weren't coming into this blind with. Okay, let's go. Who What do we need to do for Vapor? It's like Oh. Let's just adapt what we've already done. and yeah, I mean in it away. It was oh. Missed it was waiting for Viper to materialize we've really. I think that really sets us apart quite a bit. Bit We went as far as our prototype went through a modal test. We had done deployment tests on the ramp significant prototyping This was a major effort actually. I, believe that predate some of the work on peregrine itself back back in the earlier days of the company, so it's always been on our mind. It's not something that we just dreamt up. Yesterday also these systems. Systems are being proven. If you will many of them, already are proven systems, but they're being moon proven on peregrine. So just the fact that we put that mission into space it gets to the Moon Lands on the moon. Every single step is another check box that helps us validate our approach for Griffin as far as I. Know None of the other clips level competitors. Competitors could really say that on the an apples for apples. Comparison because we're also able to do that at eclipse price at a price that's comparable to what we're offering. If really not better in some regards amount of price per kilogram basis than peregrine so it's not the exquisite solution. If you want, compare it to the Leo geosat world. It's the right solution for the mission. And that's what NASA is looking for. It's pretty crazy. How the payload range worked out perfectly for what was already designed for Griffin? the that fits in perfectly like you're saying. It was almost made for it But yeah, that's the thing right? There was a lot of landers that could have been chosen that are much larger payload classes which come with a much larger price tag so. It's all about that balance. As you're saying, that's why even on the launch side? You know people talk about price per kilogram, and that's good, but if you have to buy the whole thing, sometimes, that's not as useful metric. It's getting really good price on apples, but you have to buy a truckload of apples and he like I just wanted a couple of apples for lunch. I don't need all of those apples. That's exactly right. It does seem like that was. The way that it went there so. Well is there anything that should have been on my question list here? Either in the payload section for Laura or the Griffin side for Daniel? I think we covered a lot of great things. No, it's super exciting working with all these commercial NASA payloads and I think it's going to be really interesting to I. Mean as we come up on the launch of Peregrine and keep working on Griffin I should be a lot more exciting news coming hopefully. Interesting updates. I, will I will add you know a lot of people that we We talked to her interested in getting involved and that comes from those who are straight out of school to those who have been working in the space industry for decades bring a wealth of experience of the common answer. Get as to why they want to come join our missions enjoy Nasser Badeah has been they really WanNa work on a lunar mission there so much excitement to be involved in going to the moon. I mean it's it's right there, you see. See almost every night so it's it's so attainable, so many people also grow grew up either with Apollo or following Apollo, and they're being lack thereof access to noon from a US perspective and the factory able to bring that back is really exciting, so I will say if there are others out there who are interested in joining a lunar mission, and not just one but two and more to come on. Please check out our website. We have a variety of positions open, and we're always looking for the right candidate. join our team. And I do love Pittsburgh. Excited state here I. Don't like the Penguins. Your sports teams do very much. Enjoy the city. Yeah, you know. Everyone can't be perfect, but And I say this having grown up in the Philadelphia area, myself. Pittsburgh! It isn't underappreciated city It is like a little Seattle and that's what people really need to understand like. If you're looking at jobs in the Seattle area because you liked the area same things year like amazing, cultural diversity hunted outdoors surrounded by the city three rivers, not just one. That's pretty cool and and there's actually while the space industry here is new. There's a strong tech industry like a really really strong tech industry in Pittsburgh. So if you decide, you know what the Moon just isn't for me anymore. There are other options. You're not really pigeonholed old here so I encourage people to. Give Pittsburgh a chance indefinitely yet more southern Philadelphia. Years yes one time I. This is totally random, but I was in Pittsburgh wants, and I randomly stumbled into Perogie fest. which was amazing? They were out of Pirogies so incredibly bumped like I got there while the lines were filled in. Everyone told me they were out of Perogie and I. Was it was simultaneously the most exciting and most disappointing moment of my life producer, definitely the way. That's for sure. I did meet the Perogie that are the baseball games. They were there, so it wasn't a total loss, not many other places. You can do that so anyway. Thank you both so much for being on the show I hope once we're all the pandemic I can take a drive over and hang out in person some point or maybe even be down there for the launch. Getting pretty close here so excited for that and thank you both again for for hanging out for a while here. Thank. You and you're always welcome. Thank you again to Laura and Daniel for coming on the show. Was a pleasure talking with them and I much more informed now on what is going on over there and I'm really excited to watch. Some of these clips missions fly I've continuing to said that. Wild Artemis is getting all the headlines and getting all the focus and getting all of the politicking. Clips is kind of flying under the radar and is one of my favorite. If not my favorite Nassar program that is currently running just because it's going to lead to some really amazing missions, and they're not too far away. You know we're maybe year from the first one getting off the launch pad and head out to the moon. So this is coming quicker than you think. Know. Time right now seems a little. Little Weird, but this is definitely coming a lot quicker than any of us are ready for so we will keep following those closely, but before we are done for today I want to say a huge. Thank you to everyone who makes this show possible over at main engine cutoff dot com slash support. There are four hundred thirty five of you who are supporting this show. This is entirely listener supported listener. Listener, funded program, and it lets me get people like Laura and Daniel on it. 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No 110: Houses Of Hogwarts: Gryffindor

Podcast 42

56:46 min | 8 months ago

No 110: Houses Of Hogwarts: Gryffindor

"It was at this moment that he knew Damn John Japan. This joist dreams now listening to the world's most popular inaccurate and sometimes tame Squirrel Jay telling if agriculture history. It's podcast forty two on the fixed network No No All right guys come on. We need to stay focused and get this Christmas grip done. I know it only takes to sell on to get the next episode. Finish I mean come on. What are we supposed to have a Monday night? Football episode like three weeks ago. Yeah I don't see you in jail helping with that. I have forty. He's seven pages of research done all right. Let's be fair. Laura in jail contribute in other ways writing isn't necessarily their strong suit. Jails great with voices awesome beer knowledge. And Laura's good at I'm good at distraction. Yep like tonight for example bull podcast room. Stay right here everyone. It's GonNa take me a minute to grab. It is kind of kind of big. What did you buy and more importantly what what was the price tag? I don't worry Chris. I found that the Haines city thrift shop has been closed since we moved here. We are saying I was driving by it and it was open so I thought ooh an old dark sinister looking thrift store. That's been closed for two years. Let's go as one would do. Gotcha so I went in knowing was shut me. That was Kinda creepy but I found something really cool in the back corner of the shop. I don't need some of the rags and gets the shopowner gave me a really great deal. It was like practically free just so everyone in this room. Knows when Laurence's Broccoli free that means it was under a thousand dollars when I say practically free I actually mean tree so is any of the scrip related absolutely. Not but I am so excited so wait here. What did she by construction equipment? No Jerry bought that last year. Oh Yeah I remember you. You guys gave me your old backhoe loader Oh yeah how is it oh my husband uses a flower pot. That's an awfully big flower pot. Well it's an awful awful big flower. Okay guys I'm out of breath hold on a second but here it is. It's an old painting with a rather large woman on it. poop thoughtfully no jail. It's the portrait of the Fat Lady. said that yeah jail just said that you. Don't you know what this is. This is an exact replica of the picture that hangs in hogwarts. I love Harry Potter. That's the one that hangs in front of Griffin Tower. Right right. That's right the one you have to say the password to and then you get into the secret entrance. I'm so excited I'm going to hang it on the wall where my uncles are on the wall already ready easy. Let's clear this faith. Hey Hey Sabrina and can you hand me a hammer here let me help. Oh it's not street. Hey move. Those phone goes to okay no problem. Hello you're breaking my collection. It's like four thousand dollars. Worth of POPs daleks good girly. I know that's way better fad. POOPING lady on the wall instead of the pops so now that you have destroyed the room. Can we get back to writing the script breath. Let's try to open it. Oh this'll be fun. Spread Open. What the painting Cudgel remember you have to say the password and then the fat lady lets you under the Griffin door tower or in this case since it's a print it lets you into a replica of hogwarts Chris. Stopping Fun Yeah. Chris stopped thinking about putting out a podcast cast and instead pretend we are going to open a fake painting. What's wrong with you guys please? Sabrina I are trying to remember. The Password is in mm-hmm waste of time or maybe it might be. Let's see squirrelled again. Let me check Fat Lady. The Password is hocus pocus no nothing. How about Munoz Michel is nope? That's not at either. I got it. How about dumbest thing? EST Everest Stop Fat Lady. The Password is tickle me elmo. I didn't work it. Didn't paint her. Very flattering look at her face for example. It looks like she has a pigs. Now what did you say. Her nose looks like picks now. ooh That's it ready. Sabrina one sale three cup jerk. Says says good job nothing happened. What the Oh look it worked it worked? I can see the Griffin Dot Com. Don't believe it let's go inside. Oh yeah that seems safe magical painting and the podcast room opens up a portal to hell and we just walked through it. Santa Senate Puerto Hell Portal to hogwarts and the Tower Griffin Dork Tower. What uh-huh couple we are now standing in Griffin door tower? Now now what we explore touch things. Look I'm touching this chair and goblet. I'm touching this round thing I don't know what it is but I'm touching it. Do you think he should be touching. Things isn't everything magical and Harry Potter's universe this look at that picture of God Rick Griffin. He's so handsome with his beard and red blond hair. Who Does Touch Watch my painting who dares touch the painting of God's Rick Griffin Dawe? It was that guy his name jail. Hey well he's bigger than me he's he's bigger than me. Chris what are you doing well. Everyone was state in the size of this man to themselves so I thought to. He is bigger than me. Look at those beautiful green eyes. HUBBA HUBBA hub. Is that some kind of spell you tried to cast on me. GAJIC griffin door man. You see your name a lot do not do to do not do not I go drake Griffin certainly do too damn you bugs bite me. Works every tab. What are you for doing in my tower? Well the girls were touching stuff and we are the Do not touch stuff. There's a very magical at sacred place with a Lotta history and I'll have a little OCD. So no touchy Hey Godhra. What is This I'm touching. I said no touching but since you asked that is a picture. Cube data shows my birthplace. It's a more known as Gajah Hollow Hollow Godhra myself health. I don't know what that means. I I don't know either. Let's figure it out together. Gajah hollow is a small West Country Village judge in England. I was dualist of my time. Did you say you're the dullest of your time. Because you're putting me to sleep. He said the dualist dualist like fighting. Yes yes I wield the sword as well as the Wand Ahmadou a-list. I've been in many battles both the magical and muggle and I praise courage Determination and strength above all other qualities and I praise pizza uncle pops and star wars above all other qualities not qualities the Sony. Mack cannot sort someone who has the qualities of star wars share. Ken Houseman delorean. You on Othello. WHO SMELLS UP hops? There would be Calypso so hops by the way that explains the pair and Earthy T.. Rowe bus we seem to be getting a little off track here. Yes God drik put us back on track or just you and I on track or better. Whatever Sabrina control your hormones golic? You said to be one of the foremost brilliant witches and wizards of all time. Yes off phone. Did hogwarts school of Witchcraft wizardy in my adulthood along what my friends friends Salazar Helga couple puff and Rowena Raven claw although Salazar and I not so much friends anymore really enemies you might. I'd say what happened. Let me guess he liked the Red Sox your Yankees Man. I don't wear socks and I don't believe sal owns a Hanky well. That is kind of a long story story is all right. We got twenty pages. Fill twenty pages of what nothing Tell us more about the falling out between you and Salazar. Well it stops back to my birth. I was born the second child of Colored Alice Griffin Dole. I was the only son thus I had to buy the weight of my parents. Earns hopes that ambitions for the future Duke of Glouster. Although my parents never pressured me to do such never pressured you share The about probably left little hints around like when you open the refrigerator and there was so he wanted me to do good glass scour pamphlet in the butter door when you dad would wear Duke of Gloucester Jersey ever went and he would be like dead. Why are you wearing that again? And you'll be like Ardo no just comfortable or you had monogram the Grand Duke of Gloucester caster kitchen towels that you couldn't use except for when company came over now that you mentioned it yes yes and yes anyway way. Embrace life like any other noble in that day and Age Ale and women wearing that low cut fluffy Blouse Apron thingy. That's oddly descriptive. I on that outfit. Not Quite I was eager to become a night like many of my friends and my friends. My Dad me to hang out what I became a night and a very young Age because I had the skills and I could read write a champion at TV. Baking competitions act and I was a swordsman right. Sabrina a dualist. You were good at everything. Not Everything. Wasn't good at Carioca Chris like Laura that's really mean you started it. I against things easy tops. The grunge manner marine. And how all right all right back to me I. I was living a double life like Hannah Montana. Who is Hannah Montana? She's a like an ordinary high school or by day at a Rockstar by night. Then when she got older she was naked. A Lot. See I have that Alpha. Do I see not quite you see. My friends did not know. I had a secret secret secret Agata. Secret Dome Awadhi Got Dough Mister Robot though dope now Laura was right. You shouldn't do Karaoke. My secret was that I was a wizard. Ula Wizard Harry wherever that scene. Concentrate please if anyone found out I could be burned at the stake out. She's out she says Roy. So you see. Witchcraft was still a fear to most peasants. And even a few of the nobility I could easily escape such a fate but then I will lose my place in society and that was was something that I did not think I could deal with Keith. L. Eighth on known to many among the nobles there were many magical families. The original original nobility of England were actually wizards and which I like. Sandwiches will say to yourself. I'm telling Tau not quite quite what I meant. MUGGLES MOGULS DELMONICO's. We're working their way into the nobility class soon. The muggles took over the magic adjective blood making those that would different high the special themselves inside. Oh like I have to hide when I eat gluten dairy onto stunt. It's not pretty noted by hiding many of the nobility still able to keep their bloodlines pure and those that didn't we're showing a cover that tracks. Well so they still appear to be pure lease audit and cab all this nonsense but my parents forced me and my sister's not tell anyone lest it affected what chances they would have for good marriages. Are we talking about arranged. Marriages like matchmaker. you're making a match marriages like trade. My daughter for three donkeys and a cow marriages. Yes stop talking. When my sister reached the age of eighteen my parents much to appear family with the last name a slithering old phones kids here comes the plot twist to hold? It's okay it's just an expression I don't understand here. Just take my phone. Hold it thank you do you have snapchat nevermind take this back. I'm getting off track. So anyway spent much time on the slithering lawns and here is where elephants husband younger brother Randy Quaid no Saleh's slithering. Thanks so much more sets you just throw out Randy Quaid's name for no reason. Yes yes he did. Yes yes I did sell us on I. I immediately clicked becoming fast friends. Despite a unique differences you guys had three heads. No do you see three hoods on me. Oh no but that doesn't the menial have them maybe in a drawer somewhere. Maybe in a scrapbook. ooh heads can't fitness scrapbook. All you have to press them. I per- about a week. You know this because Oh my Ankle Oh that's where you end in this conversation right. So Saleh's spent his life becoming a Scuola furthering his knowledge in magic. More than anyone I've ever met. We'd compare notes on magic already learned. We were team. I'll help Salazar with his dueling skills and he helped me with potions and spells you guys tape all on field. I feel like my old self. You're so cute when you don't understand south and also when you understand stuff You under a love potion now. She's not just keep going. Salazar took off to two of the world. I wanted to go but obligations kept me from our trip. Like he had to Binge Watch. Game of thrones or something no no. I stopped watching. Game of thrones when Drago died it was through a connection with my fellow night a wizard named named Toby Hustle path that was introduced to Helga. Hustle puff who was toby's widowed sister-in-law. I'm hopeful puff. All I can tell what. What does that mean what? There's some sheets with holes in it over there. It scared me for a second back on topic because Helga introduced me to the most beautiful woman that I'd had ever see Sabrina. No Rowing Arabian claw. I felt her like a sucker stones. Potatoes what the expression is is potatoes. You fell for her like a second potatoes. No one puts potatoes in sacks was wrong with you. Everyone knows you put stones in sacks what for Sup- anyway unfortunately Rowena was also already with another man. I was crushed but I knew that was such life then came along Sabrina. The long on came Sabrina. What that a long game? Sabrina crushing it. At life for you Sabrina eventually the two girls Salazar and I took to teaching everyone around how to perfect the magic until someone I forget who it wasn't me are member that much decided to start an actual school to practice those being executed so you were kind of traveling school showing people how to make playing cards fly around your waist and then sell in the chicked. Unsuspecting pedestrians like David Blaine the early years. David Blaine is at best in amateur compared to me and before you say Chris Chris Angel is still playing with a magic that was bought at target burn. But you don't have a Vegas show like Chris Angel Vegas makes me Itchy. Moving on in my towel rowena found the perfect location up in the Scotland's and four and a half years later the magical castle that would serve as a proper school was built around on the nine hundred ninety nine hundred ninety three. We we laughed. We had pizza fraught in the cafeteria but all was not well. We must self and sell us. Hey so what happened like you guys couldn't agree on what the default pizzas. Oh that's easy. It's pepperoni Ou- cheese pepperoni. It's actually just the crust Chris now and agrees with you. You in your quest theory wasn't default pizza that was the problem slithering and I eventually grew. Apart due to his distrust of Muggle Bonn's his belief was that they they should not be accepted into hogwarts. That's not cool. No no it was not any temperature. Look at him being cute again. An awful all standing there solid saw the muscles and a beer. Alice left the school but not before he built a hidden chamber within within the Castle in which he hit a bass lisk that is our would later use to try. Hugged the school of Muggle Barnes. So question how did you die. Chrissy asked what can I ask that because there's no research on it. Oh yeah it makes sense What is cool hat that I'm not supposed to be wearing? I'm but I'm wearing and it keeps talking to me. Well you ought. You're not supposed to be touching aware that the sorting hat is a sapient Audifax and was my gift to the school. Why would you you donate a sappy artifacts to the school not sappy Sapien? It means the ability to think and act with using knowledge experience understanding finding common sense and insight. Why don't you just say that in the first place? How are we supposed to know? What a sappy Artifact is we mostly stuff like how many alien films were made what what part Henry. Morgan played on the Apple. Dumpling Gang along Henry Morgan right. It's not sappy forget it anyway. The sodium had helped sought the first years into the houses this is they belong and also hides the sword of Griffin Doll. For whenever a true grip indoor needs it. The sword will let itself be pulled out of the hat so ooh can anyone pull anything else out of the hat only true Griffin doors canton. Oh I used to be a griffin door. I'm hover both now. But that's that's that's a lot to do with Let's see what I can find in the hat flag. Maybe God trix phone number Allah reaching here feel around few feel that Guy Drik the what. That's me tugging on your heartstrings. Like magic doesn't feel pulled. Well wait a minute. Oh I do feel something in here. It's a can of beer. They're getting their J. Okay that's cool kind of can of beer there is this. It's out of Chicago from Revolution Brewing. It's their October fest. October fest. It's a little late for October fest. It's been sitting in a hat waiting for us. Chris what you want. I kind of like the can't even though it's very is simple but the colors are outstanding. I'm GONNA give the can of four so stay tuned until the end of this episode. When we rate the beer we're going to rate at one through six six which represents a six pack make sense to everybody in the world except for one lone Canadian in Kissimmee? Aw that was somewhat been. Yeah I wish I could bear still. Aw I miss it so oh my God guys. It's nearly headless nick. My full name is Sir Nicholas. They MMC pooping. Didn't and and you must be first years although you all look a little old to be first years we're not first years where podcasters third years. Oh as the ghost of TA. We will have none of that podcast nonsense in here unless it's not rocket surgery. I do love that podcast August. Well isn't that Nice. Yes I believe it quite is okay. Then I'll just float out of here carry on. So are you married or perhaps dating dodger dope you'd you you realize that he's dead right so and you're married not one of them on the podcast and a magical make believe place. I'm not okay okay. Fair enough hey you know. When you have ADT celebrity lists game that you were allowed to cheat on your spouse with yeah Gajic Griffin nor was on mine? I I thought he was fictional. UPC's poll no Dobie wants to know this there. God It's Dhabi. I Hate Dabi. Dabi thinks MRS very rude food. Yeah Lewis Thinks Dhabi. It's very annoying. Here's a sock. Take it and run along. Dhabi's already free. Mrs W has no need lever anymore. Socks Dhabi fanmail Fulla socks everyday. DAHBI stores all the socks in this fishbowl. He W fish I suppose. Empty of socks is full of little scraps of paper. Oh yeah that happens. Whenever Sabrina is around those are fishbowl? Facts so facts pulling out and read it. Dhabi has to wait for the fish bowl to be passed him. That isn't true Dhabi. God you're so annoying. Hold out the FISHBOWL. Dot was is right there. He wasn't paying attention. fishbowl fact number one w Suez grip indoor tower and look over the quidditch. Pitch Hogwarts Lake Jake and the Forbidden Forest Dhabi says it features a portrait Godhra Griffin door hanging over the fireplace Dhabi. Says you guys try. I come on Laura. You're gonNA listen to Dhabi or what Sabrina can go. After Dhabi fishbowl fact number two the fat lady also sometimes referred to as is the pink lady is a former Griffin door. Herself she was pink lady. Sandra Dee fishbowl fact number three griffin door translated means and Griffin is a mythical creature that has the body of a lion and an eagles wings door in Greek means get so griffin door loosely translates translates to the gift of the Griffin fact. Number four Godhra was a huge proponent. For the right of Muggle born witches and wizards to attend hogwash. Work fishbowl fact. Number five nearly headless Nick's beheading was unfortunately botched. Despite the forty five shops that tried to take his noggin again because the blade was too dull he died before he was a dullest. He was the deadliest addulaziz-al uh-huh was he the earliest. Now he was the Dolly Fishbowl fact number six Ivana Lynch plays Luna Love Good Raven Club Bonnie Johny Right Ginny Weasley Griffin and Tom Felton Drako Malfoy slithering have all said they've been sorted into a Griffin Dura Mater. More that sucks no I used to be in Griffin or is this like when you had the Hokey pokey and you turn yourself around. It's all about jail fishbowl. Fact number seven God drinks hollow village in the West Country of England was named dafter dodger Griffin door. It was home at one point or another to the Potter family and Double Door family. It was also the place as Lord Voldemort was defeated for the first time fishbowl fact number eight members of Griffin don't seem to have aptitude for transfiguration including mcgonagall who turns turns into a cat. James Potter stag Sirius. Black A dog. And Peter Pettigrew fishbowl fact number nine Griffin doors crest depicts a lion's head and its colors are gold and scarlet. You Mean Red Oh golden scarlet just like Ohio state in. Frankly Glee my dear. I don't give a damn there. We go there was Dhabi thinks that was fun but it still doesn't explain who you people are Davi eighth these are podcasters. Dhabi wants to know what kind of dark magic is that. Apparently they talk on those microphone thing es and broadcast to the Internet. It's a bazaar thing to do. Oh Dhabi life. podcast except Dhabi. Don't like pop. Culture Radio Plays Dhabi. Wants to know if Godhra we'd like Dhabi to polish the sword to that's what she said. No Sir that's what Dhabi said. Rit then already polish the sawed. That's what she said. No Sir that's got you said. She's Dhabi Laura's right. You are annoying theme Polish the rubies. Oh Dhabi bobby thank God should start with the rubies audit like to start with the rubies. They are the hottest point Dhabi start with the hardest part. Then it's quicker that way. By by the way Dhabi heard grip hook. The Goblin is telling everyone you stole the sword again you stole the word did not steal the sword grip hookers stopped. I had the sword forged by the Goblin Ragnarok. The first Ragnarok what nothing carry-on do not steal the sword from Ragnarok Ragnarok stopped that I'll try no L. promises and no more words here telling me you love me as you're walking away. Tubby Love Berlin. This is all merely of grip hooks goblin mistrust and prejudice against wizards a commission Ragnarok the first to make the sort vermeille under various specific specifications. Once ragnarok doubt say it I wasn't. Once he had made the sword he was so fond of it that after he here presented it to me he told the goblins it had been stolen millions to retrieve it for him. That's Sucky Barry as you say sucky so so are defeated the goblins using magic but instead of killing them. IB which them to go back to Ragnarok Comet Bunny Begin Anyway. I told him that if he tried to take the sewed again he would use it against them. The king took the threat seriously seriously but still insisted it had been stolen from him until the day he died regardless it's sold and indestructible. It was used by Harry Potter to kill the Basle astle USC and by never longbottom decapitate. Snake Negi yes. It was Dhabi homes. That doesn't end up in Bella tricks strange's fault again. That doesn't matter much sh it will always come to a Griffin Dole when they need it vault or not. I heard that you are an animate. Is that True Sabrina. You sit and ask people what denomination they are unless they volunteer that. I owe which not a religion. If it was he'd be in the corner. What does that mean? ooh I speak Chris. I'll translate. That's God's work in the spotlight. Losing his religion funny and the Anna is a witch or wizard who could transform themselves into an animal and back again whenever they want. ooh So like a metamorphose mattis sort of but Metamorphosis is a hereditary while in Anna magazine has taught me. You can learn at hogwarts actually on not imagine. Can you guess what animal I turn into to before you answer that Dabi Dabi should do pop quiz. What these podcasters? No yes yes stobbe good segue thobe says it's time to get out your and your papers and you pull tractors. There's and your senator racers and you're down senator racers and the pencils without diversity on top because you choose them off says this pop quizzes called. Are you going to see the new blockbuster sleep sort of the second Harry Potter Movies Really Scary. It petrified me problems problems on the plate way. Better Dhabi says this is five. General knowledge facts on the grip indoor house or the easiest the hardest to test your knowledge so score one point for each correct answer. Dhabi says what animal does Gajic Audrey Griffin door. Turn into Dhabi says this one's easy. There's no hint gabby wanders. Why all weird puzzled looks Dhabi? Doesn't understand because we don't know it w Hich are everywhere for what and it will just Godhra Chris. Door turned into DOB is not going to give a hint that it's on the shield the crest griffin door. Right there on the crest. What's on the crest mom? They walk into that one. Dhabi Push Raymond. What's on the crest? He's not going to say that's the answer. Dhabi not going to give the answer. The second question Dhabi's going to ask a question. Dhabi says Harry Potter is descended of GAJIC. Trick Dhabi wants to know. Is this true or is this false fifty fifty fifty fifty easiest question by the way what you do know that because it's only going to get harder for her you're ready to tough Dhabi for the from sh one for the first one Dhabi says. MGM Logo local no Dhabi given to the second one. Yeah it's not be tripped. Is that true. You can't beat your topic could be true question number. Three Dhabi wants to know what universal ride can you find. Contracts portrait. You Queue for the ride Dolly can look up the name of the ride the answer. You can't Google the answer the answer the answer is what's the name of the ride you cannot Google it. I'm not grew fairness. I mean there's more than one Harry Potter ride along so you need to know the name of the ride. You can't Google it. I'm Naqoura in. I'm going to look at the wait time w thinks jails weird tone. Dhabi the teacher cheating in the wake site question number. Four Motorbike Adventures two hundred and ten minutes in one ear Wisconsin named wizard of the pump on potter more. The wizard of the wood month at what I heard. What did you hear Dobson? But that's what I was confused about asking white year. He was named Potter more Potter more many centuries do that'd be give him it's after two thousand Great Hint Dabi Dabi another hand. It's after in January of two thousand so it's February of two thousand. Two thousand is not the answer. Thirty thousand questions over five Griffin doors name and birthplace may allude to what hardy boys story Dhabi. Just want you to know that preparing a quiz on grip on Contra Group and doors very hard you could have done it on the whole house of Griffin door not just Godhra basically house griffin no. It was basically just stupid contract stupid. toppy like when you use bad names on people that makes Dhabi sad. Ms Letheren tabby. I don't care I don't know any Hardie boys stories. There's the one about Matt and Jeff when they went from. WWe TNA when they w that's the wrong hardie boys boys go out with Nancy. Drew Question Number One. That's right Harvard. Sorry boys question number one the one from stranger things what animal does contract Griffin door tournament. Sandwich Sabrina a lion Sosas answer ally and after like five things that crossed Rostov Mora Lion. You're not really do take it from Sabrina. hokey it's a lie in. Yeah Hey hey score one point question number to be the only one I get maters of the Senate of Godhra true or false shabina Alpine out. Maybe yes maybe he really did shooting the creatures insures false. I didn't say it was. Yes I said maybe Godhra has no known descendants question number three. We can fix that today gadget. uh-huh not down that too we universal Reich. Can you find contracts portrait orchard in the queue of the Cheater Forbidden Journey Supreme. I said the hogwarts Castle Reid a bit in Germany is forbidden journey or even know which one that is saw as ours did not say the right point. Oh ooh that's why he couldn't even check with the weight was and you're going to give her half a point. I know of course castle had that in what year I got your name wizard of month on Potter more as an fifteen jail two thousand fourteen supremo two thousand twelve thousand seven. Oh you should have known that. I'm surprised we know that that's Dhabi's impersonation of Alex Trebek's copy does good impersonation question number five. Yeah better sure look at Travek. Doors Name and birthplace me allude to hardy boys story. Sabrina in the case of the hollow. Boys the mystery of God Drake's hollow. The adventures of the loss also was the which masters key which references the fictional village of Griffin more. I don't know him. He's a hard question. Ever thobe just wants everyone to know. So that the sources for this trip are Harry Potter FANDOM DOT COM my heritage dot com Harry Potter wiki behind the music featuring Dhabi and Fatemi dot com but not potter more. Could there was no early. Yankovitch Vich to help us out there. Trim Dhabi's very disappointed in all of you set up Dhabi Laura. Yeah help it. I've had for through his parts writes in the movie. Hey since Dumbledore is gone. Who has a school now? The school is State sponsored and the ministry takes cal. It's financial needs. The last I heard. Professor Professor mcgonagall was the headmaster. The school has been around for ten centuries now by the way I bet a lot of famous people gone to hogwarts like Chris Kirkpatrick. All remember Mr to Cook Patrick but we have had in the Griffin House. CADOGAN in the King Arthur's round table we have had award winning authors. Like Selena a sap worthy jk Raleigh as well as singing sensation. Madame Celestino war back. Don't forget album. Dumbledore her migraine Grain care and Harry Potter. Of course. Well we're supposed to talk about all the houses but you gotTa Drik talks so much all talk. What can I say Dhabi Godhra talk set up Dhabi? We should probably touch some more of the stuff and maybe God trix hair and then Sierra so's back out through the painting. Aw You could just see yourself back of the painting without touching the stuff. We could do that but that was boring. Can I touch your beard. Oh okay one touch. That was nice guy we need to go. We have a Christmas episode. I'm GonNa touch the beer again. Let's go bring a dead. Aw She's getting their best herbal essences commercial. I I hear. That's the best shampoo ever for that to Kendrick uses it in his beard. While you're screaming. Yes yes yes uh-huh with maybe. He says nothing back our house. He's Gone Dhabi now. He's terrible I. We'll let's be sounded like a bad. I got one voice. I gotta use it almost stepping away. Gray AMCOL way away. Perfect I remind us what does again it's from revolution brewing out in Chicago there October fest. It's a Nice German style lager. It's got a five I point seven. ABC be a nice gift for cat. Sitting can that's how you got this beer. Yeah why were you sitting on castle muscle. Fresh macgonagall everybody sit on cat. Because they're terrible like Dhabi. I would do nothing but sneeze if I had to babysit cat. That's one time. I babysat my friend's cats. What's and my eyes swelled up closed lobby thinks that's horror fool? They all wanted to sleep on. And I woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't open nice. Well I'M GONNA go I I liked this. I don't in jail but I I like this Scott Crisp finish which something. I'm always looking for a beer. The taste is mild. eld probably could use a little more flavor so I'm going to give it a three just based on the fact that just needs a little bit more kick kick to it just a little bit more flavor kind of team for an October fest. But it's drinkable. I'm going with three Laura normally. I really really really love October. Fest This one was pretty bland though there wasn't much to it My first SIP. I didn't think it was going to like it at all. And we are kind of finish to it but as I drink it was better. I'm GONNA also give it a three now. was that overly excited about it. I was before I took a sip because it was October fest and I like that but but then your excitement dissipated did punch right out of me. Just like Dhabi fist. That's awesome. Yeah maybe the Little Tuba Guy. I like it Dhabi. Give it a twelve. That'd be that's how it works okay. Sabrina I didn't enjoy it. I didn't like it and finish it. Yeah it's like Oh A heat you all. You don't know what we're doing no has something to do four he and trash Object where you're throwing your beer. Yeah I Why didn't you like ticket? I didn't it to me. I was too heavy. It was too heavy of a I. Don't I didn't enjoy it too. Heavy too heavy. Yeah it would just it just sits on my the stomach and bubbles. They could've been the dairy maybe mm-hmm oh it just has a deary beer. So what's your rating to two okay. Beer master option still drinking all right. We're all tell Kay. Think the Canas better than what the beer really is. I think there's a bitterness at the end. They're not like that's where the most flavor hits you and all that I find it very tame until you get to that last a little bit and then it just Kinda hits you it feels more like a pill's nirvana lager and overall all I find it to have a bitter taste. It's weird because Gajic also had thought a bitter taste. That's because Gajah has good taste in like you know analyzing in beer and women. I and I don't think he would say that because I feel like he just brushed you off all the time. I brushed his beard. Rushed him off. Hey so I graduated says follow so reading down. I'm going to three okay. Give it a three. I don't find it to be the best thing ever. It's nothing to write home about. nope little too bitter for me. It blows like the tube layer on it. I don't know the Tuba player. Looks like he's had too many does or maybe he's upset because they've given a he. They gave him a second one of these. I think he's drinking it through his Tuba. Maybe maybe it tastes better that way. Well we have phone calls. No facebook comments. What twitter comments thing because originally really the idea was we're going to walk through all the houses of hogwarts when this started in end up just being griffin door earned? It's always about Gribben as far their houses but we have powerhouses. There's three other houses that there they are but you think they count like seven other houses where recounting America. Yeah I am so how do you even say the Americans great but if you're if you're not a griffin door griffin door fan. We do plan on visiting each house in the future so we will hit up your house. But I didn't know how to put it out there to ask for comments or to get phone calls so I can't wait for the helpful puff one when you know. Chris is hiding behind his holy blanket. Afraid of sheets withholding that Idaho and he's of A. I'd I love my house. I think those are the best but he found some like hustle pumps like us. I have my health because we're finders now. I saw Sabrina your health. Yes I'm hopeful. Puff although I really did you speak Griffin door. They kicked you out. Yeah I lost by Potter more Pass to reload back in and they had change it. So Yeah Laura what are you. I felt my house. I was although I really think you're a secret helpful off no I. This is what I do find things really. Well I do do scare you. Mostly they have have holes in them. Yeah Yeah I actually say. I may slither puff because I can be when I want something I will go out of my way to get it with whatever means possible so I can be cutting pulpwood mash up the houses. This is like that but I I think I mostly mostly slither puff and jail. What did you say split her breath brave and claw see and I thought you would test as a slither? That's a first time much like Sabrina. When they change the the questions on powder more and we redid it yet I got Raven Claw? I got. Hustle puff my life was a lie. I wouldn't mind being gene. How foolproof either but everything I own slithering so I wouldn't mind being a slithering because I like green and you're also evil so well I mean there's that I am very evil? Probably the truest Alpha puffier that at that point. Now I'm probably one of the truth. Tougher puffier not over jail houses cool despite what people listen. Hovel puffs are super loyal and carrying being like I was actually researching all of the houses for the script. Because it's Christmas only me Mike you lose leary. None of them sound like yell. We're good at finding things and we love. Hugs Up. Nope I'm out by. I do love hugs truthfully though like hustle. Puff I would think is one of the most noble houses over all the other ones. Oh you say that but now but should I tell the universal story and we went to universal on one cold Cold Day could tell personal stories so I had you tell it so well and then Al intercept on certain part project so we live in Florida. Oh you weren't there and occasionally we do get cold down here well. I went to universal under protest. Not Realizing how cold hold it was so we're at universal. I'm like well I gotta get a Hoodie because it's cold so I decided to get a Harry Potter Hoodie because they were the best quality. hoodies there the other hoodies like they had spiderman all them but the quality of the hoodies for the rest of the franchises they have. They're not not the greatest. The Harry Potter hoodies really good quality. Really warm so I get myself my house. which is awful puff and my daughter? AUTRE and my wife for all snicker in 'cause. I'm going to walk around universal wearing hustle. Puff puff puffs are generally considered like the joke joke house. So my daughter's Raven call and Laura's slither puff but lo oh and behold as we walk through universal those two or snickering Hymie. He's we're not. There was nothing but a sea of Hustle puffs anyone everywhere puffs there couple puffs ear path. Because nobody else is stephen enough to go to universal when it's below zero. Oh you can justify it anyway. Bed but but she'd had holes in it but as a local to the theme parks. You know you go when it's cold or when it's rainy because parks are GONNA be empty or before a hurricane. Oh yeah that's Beth right right. After the hurricane those like three days are the best days effort times You could walk on to everything like six times like Hagrid 's motorbike. Having no hackers was the only thing that was still long lines but it was like forty minutes it was relatively new. Yeah and it was a lot of hours hours two hours two hours Chris. We didn't even wait. I think I think it was forever because you guys got bored in the monotonous breath cave walls lost caves do you of the ride is through caves. Benign they're really tight. Cornered Caves Saves. You can't see how much longer you have those people behind us. But I will say this if you're planning on coming to Universal Studios Florida. It's definitely worth it for the Harry Potter land. Even if you're not a Harry Potter fan it is incredible. They did such a good job so true to the movies. This it's just it's amazing really good. I don't think any other. I don't think there's any other land in any theme park that can hold up to right at right at this moment. No it's great. I love going there. I actually didn't really get into Harry Potter until I visited at Universal. I wish the stores are a little bigger. I understand we have to stay true to the movies because a really cramped but man not good designed for theme park but it is true to the stories in the movies. I guess it's like you're really there with your want out and put it away okay. He's hiding it behind the laptop. I'm I'm afraid of my wand. Sabrina is looking for. Maybe Audrey was around Eh. Sabrina where can you find us. You can find us on our facebook group on the official podcast. forty-two facebook page You you can find us on Patriae on. We have a page on there. We would love some patriots for our patriotic page spotify apple music speaker tune in stitcher. 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5th Anniversary Special

Blank Check with Griffin & David

2:26:48 hr | 4 months ago

5th Anniversary Special

"Right Griffin and don't know what to say to a great all right Mu cool. Let's do this. Let's call that in any normal episode guys like we're all in the studio together. Yes Dude The stewed seven a normal one in Venice here with US finished here with us. Is this. How the episode starts is this. Are we saying this official saying what Ben said is start off to make the And it's tough to stay safe. It's topical you see because this is our fifth anniversary and also we are missed a pandemic there. You go so both things are true. This of course very special episode. I'm calling it right now. Our best episode ever. It's the blank check fifth anniversary. Self quarantine social distancing spectacular coming live to you from each of our live from four different apartments. That's got bigger nice. Her is it. Yeah bigger little nicer. I'm sorry and then of course then I'm here at small fine. It's fine yeah pretty much here live from a media messy but I have taken advantage of. We're recording this episode via Zoom for the first time and zoom allows you change your background so I've been Cycling through different background photos. Vin Diesel. So right now. I have a black and white photo of VIN diesel in a boxing pose above my shoulder. Jack I think he is now. David has also added a picture of VIN diesel to his. I can't see how this has not been but it's not a very good. I'm trying to find it but here we go. How about this one? David has a shirtless man holding a a goat a baby. It's not one who's the shirtless man. Very Important Mirror. Head David. Yes it does backwards. But David has posted a shirtless picture. Colin Farrell from Tiger land. That's right okay. So we're all we're we're putting our crushes. Her background image. It's hard to do Ange Giant five it's tough to make the five and it's tough to find a good background image of your celebrity crush Angela. Barracuda Fair Gudo joining us as well is. We don't have a name for your apartment yet. No you guys haven't been to my apartment. I don't they haven't off outside of your apartment. That is the most I have been to your apartment. Yeah I don't know you don't have a name at the tip of your tongue. We'll come up with at some point now. I mean my apartment. We have a nickname for ourselves. But it's named after the street we live on so I would rather not say that I'm one hundred percent. This one's good background is now Miami Vice. And he's sitting directly inbetween. Tubbs and Crockett. Yeah it's pretty perfect. Yeah that one's good okay. Good now I feel good so here we are. We initially had some sort of plan for our fifth anniversary episode. I can't even really. I guess we were all just going to hang out and do stuff. There was some thought of US initially doing the phantom menace. We had a full plan. I was going to get like a top hat and cane and do a whole dance routine script. Wb Okay. I mean I would say we probably had more plans this weekend Monday. Pretty shirt wear focus was for a while. Yes we had a lot of different Plans in place Including two live shows. We were going to do this. And Ben was going to go full Michigan J frog and we're going to improvise a little bit here because the show must go on. Yeah that's the magic of technology. The four of us are going to hang out here and talk about This this journey. We've been on for the last five years and when I say we I mean the royal we including you. They'll listener and duct off screen. It looked like she was barking at you saying I think she was just petting her cat. He's trying to curl up on my Hoodie and I was moving some items out of the way for him. He's doing now is thank you. So you're right. Yes it's been five years. It's been almost exactly five years right. Monday march twenty third is the five year anniversary of the first episode of Griffin. David present. The Phantom podcast where we talked about the first seven ish minutes of the phantom menace. I mean we joke but maybe our worst episode ever. It's bottom ten bottom bottom five makes the bottom is who I think. It's off the bottom two. I think that almost daughter undeniably the two worst ones because that episode is US explaining the bit that we're never going to address for the rest of the series into great detail. Yes we talked too much about that. I still think you're too hard on me. I'm a star episode. But it's been a while. Yeah it's also like a brisk forty one minutes which for us doesn't even really count as an episode that the March madness recap if we rush it. Yeah Yeah so anyway. We're here We are going to embark on our next miniseries next Sunday. Correct next right correct. No Benz serving the pallet cleanser role next Monday. We're driving straight into the wasteland or at least a pre wasteland Australia with Mad Max it is. It was actually a pre wasteland America when we recorded it so that is true. Don't if we don't talk about a various corona virus it's because Wasn't on our mind whenever we fucking talked about mad. Max and Ben's apartment I mean definitely In the Beyond Thunderdome episode. I refer to the time. We're recording as P corona virus. Panic and boy was. I naive then two weeks ago. Who Wow. You have made some bad calls on this gas for. That was one of the worst one of the worst. I called in. Peak Corona virus. A time able to then leave the recording studio. I was in the same room as all of you and then go out and has really walked down the street shake some hands sandwich. Spit on strangers. Do your water show. I did my water show. Hugh weeks ago and now you might never want to end it. That's what I was telling David. It's just like it's done it. I mean there is. There is some weird symmetry there too. You know five years ago you and I David we go into a small closet at the offices of you see comedy where John Hawes lease being paid in classes and has been given permission to give us a flyer to give us ten episodes by Bieber graciously said why not and allowed. Lieber bigshots todd. Bieber allowed you to give us ten episodes and it all stemmed out of a lotto tweet and now five years later I did a lotto show. And you see pe- my we're only laughing because it's terrible. It's awful all of its bad. Everything's bad except for water. What is doing really well and also hello this guy. I'm looking at right now. An email from February seventeenth twenty fifteen. Oh where I followed up with you guys after meeting with Todd and you never had to follow up with us ever again by email that it's not something you do have to do and I'm looking here and I. It's it's saying not sustainable interesting. That's yeah that's there have legs but no I mean you know. It was a thing that todd was just like. Whatever like he was really like giving me the chance to just make stuff for UCB and you guys pitch this insane idea. We've discussed it before on our hundredth and we've discussed it's come up. Yeah it was such a great opportunity to be able to record in the closet with you guys a windowless closet and that's where it all started griffin changed picture again. It's used to be some sort of double vin diesel at some sort of parent trap situation. He's got a long way short and longboard shorts. It's two of him. That are sure. Listen I was also the fact that you got to sit in between crack in tubs. So I wanted to sit between Vin in Vin Yes it was It was a flyer and I remember. We finished recording and a Ben. You said well you guys will get the hang of it and then you were not enthused you're like and then the second episode you were like that was actually you were like dip. That was surprisingly listenable. That was like that was like a real episode guys. Yeah right and then we were off to the races. Yes end of story for listening please. That's IT and here we are nothing happened in between we didn't learn any lessons along the way or anything absolutely not to think back in those days when we started the show and podcasting. I mean had you know been around but it wasn't as popular as is this very moment for sure on and had not yet entered the fray. Right exactly yeah. He was popular. But it hadn't been invented yet. I think cereal had happened of course happened right right so it whereas here it was post. Cereal Pre Coenen. Yes so you know. It's funny I was talking to Kevin Porter Friend OF THE SHOW. Future Gassed Who Guy Gilmore guys right now as do many other shows a good Christian fun and Inside voices but but he did Gilmore guys which I think have been running for at least a year at the time that we started our show. Yeah sounds about. They had built like a good Following at that point and and we were talking about the time you know getting into podcasting which was sort of like the second wave of comedy podcast. You know And he was saying a thing that I realized I felt at the same time to Which was Oh I missed the boat. I it's too late to start a podcast. You know like I feel like at the time that we started this in two thousand fifteen. I felt that way where I was like. Well they're just too many podcasts. Now and the ones that are successful they got in early may have a chance to like make an impact and grow slowly and then something like cereal. Everyone swallow a phenomenon but like you know the markets too diluted and there's not space for new show right now and Gilmore guys had started a year earlier than us and they felt the same way like well. You know we got into late but at least we're just doing this to have fun on whatever new more cates could be locked. Essentially is what you're right and now it's I feel like now. It's the thing that everyone says to me where they're like well. You guys are Lucky. You got in just the right moment like you got in before it's too late now. It's too late to start a podcast. It's never too late. It's never too late and of course it isn't of course five years. It will be crazier than it is now In some way or another but is we've kind of meaningless but when we got in we got in smart because it sounded good crisp. Okay I mean it was funny. It was informative. It was something that was cool above all else. But but but it was also The the key to it was it was a conversations that we would have had for fun irregardless. Despite the fact that the bit was so high concept at the beginning was the kind of bit. I'm sorry the smiths were so high concept at the beginning. No Big Ben Sprints. Smith's is always going to be high-concept. God Damn it in the heights. Better come out on what good morning? Good morning snobby. I don't even want a parody. It right now because I'm so worked up about this but I know not to speak out of turn but I know people who have seen it and say it is fantastic really and and I just Wanna I want them. I mean I know that you know movies will be eventually released. Even if they're released has to be delayed. I'm just thinking about it right now okay. This episode is topical. Can we pause the self mythology sizing? I'll stop my tag. Yes can we talk about the state of movies? Right now because. I think it's an important thing for us to talk about. I miss them so much like I want nothing more than to just like go to a movie theater and not think about anything right now and that's taken away right now too unfortunately fourth ago obviously it's important for the good people good people. I was texting with Gabor's this morning. And they said to me John. Gabriel friend of the past and future guests fumble bragging winky winky and he said. It's like the three things that I have to do for. My mental health are a Jim Beach movie theater a slight variation the Long Island version of Gym Tan laundry. And I said him. Yeah I relate because for me. It's Movie Theater Movie Theater. Moody's just different. Amc's throughout Manhattan. And they're all fucked. Yeah it's a little scary now not just the fact that okay. So movie theaters are off. The table temporarily Because I understand that as a necessary move to ensure the future of humanity but also that we are in this time where the question is what will move. Here's look like Whenever this ends how will a viewing habits change in Customer Habits Change? I don't know it's weird. I mean our podcast is not very often about current release films. We are rarely incentivizing people to go to theaters in a certain way. Our podcast is perfectly positioned for a time like this where. It's just assignments of things to watch at home not intentional. But we're people who love going to fucking movies here. We love seeing that talkie picture on the screen. We Love the Rangers movie. The movie Ben Likes to movies. I like movies three movie joking about them a lot. You Love Joking Hata but it is this weird thing just like right like something like fast nine right. My beloved Vin punted all the way to twenty twenty one. Yes initial shock and sadness but in the long term. I am happier to wait a year to see that movie properly then to have a drop on. I tunes in like two weeks. Oh Man I tunes for fast would be so depressing in the heights is the same thing. Yeah it's the same thing. There's this thing going around right now. People like this and it's sort of like no I don't think so for one you're gonna not see studios releasing these like wonder woman or whatever knows warner brothers. Isn't gonNA release that because the potential profit of a movie release is still just on a whole other level wants. It's possible for people to gather in groups again. I know I personally am going to like stay the fuck outside when I can and go crowded events once it is deemed safe to do so right like if wonder woman is the first movie to open when the movie theaters Real Ben. It's GonNa make so much goddamn money like we're GONNA want to commune elite gathering space with strangers whose medical histories. They don't know and watch that. God Damn movie something like in the heights which we're all fucking amped for every time. I saw that trailer in theaters. I got goosebumps partially says of how good it learn partly because you could feel the excitement of the other people in the theater going. Oh my God Jimmy. Smith is walking into a Bodega confidently singing saying good morning. Knotty Rustavi who so named. Because he's named after the. Us Navy. Right I I did see in the Heights. I never saw. Well Yeah. It's a the his parents when they arrive in. America saw ship the sign. Us avion that's why he's called US Navy anyway so we love movies. We don't want him to go away. We don't want blank check to go anywhere and not that it's going anywhere. So we're here to celebrate his fifth anniversary. What are we doing guys? Well we have some friends of the show who in celebration fifth anniversary have left thus some voicemails and sent over some audio messages so we can listen to those some clips from past episodes We had posted on Read it with suggestions for those so you guys let me know. Perhaps maybe start with a clip from past episodes. That sound fun. Let's let's clip bag. Let's do it and for all this stuff. I'm trying to explain to simply as possible. So there's some super nerds. That might know that I'm avoiding. Some details are maybe simple toppings on the pizza. Yeah so here's here's some crazy shit renegade into pizza in the buttle. The way film works and this is now getting to billing stuff. We can get out of the films. Now this is me getting into what's crazed billion. We're walking the walk. The Wave Film Walk Twenty Eighteen. The Way Film Works. People often say what allows a bunch of series of still images to create the illusion. Motion is something called persistence of vision. Which is the idea that like if you right now. Wave your hand in front of your face. You see that your finger that the image of your fingers is blurring and that's considered percents division. Which is that the image sort of smears in your retina and in your brain and so That that helps you determine what what direction things are going how motions working okay. That's not true. That is not what dictates motion. That's not what makes cinema works so now I'm GonNa get into some crazy stuff. So there's a bunch of experiments that proved that this is not how it works. Raucous Extra David. You can't. Oh my God this one podcast you can describing how cameras but now you're like now let me bend to you thought. Processes visionary going so famous experiments where you take okay. An image of a Red Dot. It's still Red Dot. No motion blur nothing. Okay and then you take that away and put up another image of a red dot another location. Okay if you go between those images one to the other one to the other and you start increasing the pace that you're going between the two. Suddenly your brain starts to assume motion between them instead of it being one image of circle here and another here your brain goes that circles moving from here to here back and forth back and forth and in the sciences parents they referred to this in a certain amount of hurts or a certain amount of milliseconds. I've sort of tried to translate into frames per second okay so the frequency which starts as being still images and then let me get my exact is for welcome to the Five Towers Club from zero. Thank you from zero to five frames per second. It's just succession to images. Then you get partial movement where you get the sense sensation of things moving slightly and then at around eight between sixteen and eighteen frames per second which is really interesting you have. What's called Beta Movement? Okay which is just like these like low testosterone. God that's Sorta Cock movements. Hey Ben can you open that envelope? Oh my gosh since Chris is like Neil Patrick Harris hosting the Oscars. That's sort of I did. This is opening on the front there. Griffin will make a joke about how Beta movement and just open enough buck. This is amazing. Beta Kach movement. Yet I mean the guy knows made. We're very good friends. Oh my God I knew Jesus Christ I'm sorry so around sixteen to eighteen. Frames really was a torture for Kluber. Thank you listen. You GotTa you know people well. That's the funniest thing will ever happen on. This hot isn't it funny. That moment which is probably the funniest thing ever ever on. The podcast is three minutes of JD. Talking in detail about how the brain perceives movement and how it can be visually tricked that and then a joke then the greatest joke ever wife pick. That's part of what makes it the Gresh show ever. I always a bad joke by you. And then the greatest. You agree to disagree. I think it was a pretty perfect joke. I think it was a perfect job. Just like the perfect tests and the perfect phone call but Part of the beauty of the joke. It's not that that's the funniest thing I've ever witnessed in my life. But it is the most beautifully executed joke I have ever been asked. Shady walks into the studio is holding in his hand. Doesn't say anything when we start recording the episode which par for the course for us was probably forty five minutes after we all arrive and I probably arrived thirty minutes after everyone else at the very beginning of the episode. He hands you the envelope Ben and says I just want you to take note of this envelope I will tell you when to open it. And then the clip you just heard is like an hour into the episode probably. Yeah yeah maybe forty five. It's it's deep dish into the episode. Let's rest for a good long while before letting US execute his joke and like what if he wasn't like what if we didn't get around to talking about Beta movement. Whatever the fuck that you know. It's it's so funny that he's like we're GonNa get this deep. I promise you anything coming in. He comes in with a checklist of things that we have to discuss. But also there's the moment there where I say which is just like less low low testosterone. Excuse me where I say. It's like low testosterone movement. And then I take a beat and J. D. just kind of stared at me in the room and then I said cuck movement I almost didn't say Kach movement and it was because I got no response that I felt like I had to take another bite at the apple so anyway I'm not rising to it until he says he was the span. Golly he knew he said I can't force his hand. Whereas it's amazing how you can hear me during the whole clip. I'm just like God. Jd's go into deep dry. I'm like I'm being a pain. Then you make your joke and I'm GonNa have for crying out loud this things off the rails like I am totally in grunt mode until he asked spend to reach for the envelope. Completely one back over hearing you react to it reminds me of another. Jd moment when you guys are describing the ending of speed racer where the crowd is just like losing their mind. That's David just going. Oh my God what what am I about to witness? What is happening right now? It felt like that and I I mean I did feel like we were reeling after that we had We had to continue doing the episode was I was just so I saw did the Jiu Jitsu of it and then we do talk for another like ninety minutes like it's not like me that was not only does he have to complete his entire lecture but then we also have to get back my Mac right. It's such a good blank check episode because it is about a movie that no one talks about. It's about a movie that is special for reasons. Norwood acknowledges by a great artist but not his great work right right. I don't know it also began a tradition talking. Wal Boy. I don't know what we'll do this year. Talk and walk knows I mean. Look let's say bobby's Amac is now going on to the elite eight in March madness if he wins then it's real easy for us. We just literally talk the walk. Yeah although his filmography is so goddamn long we probably won't talk the walk till fricken January or whatever but yes you're right but but otherwise yes. We're back to the drawing board. We have to figure out what the next walk as I think. Jd sent voicemail as well where he talked about this. But I just want to say before we play that and I'm not going to reveal what it is because he's been very adamant about this. Jd Texted me while you were playing the clip by pure coincidence he's been Has Not left his apartment once in the last ten days from self quarantine He he was feeling pretty sick. I think for a couple of days now on the man but is justifiably paranoid. He has been sending me different drafts. Jd is determined to come up with a viral corona virus. Tweet record end it. I don't went viral and she did not enjoy it now. I I had to give my password to my sister because I can't log into my account anymore. It's bad I'm only on blank check. Don't go viral right now. I'm sorry continue. You should've said Donut me. That's the only mistake you made. You had a perfect tweet. It was a perfect tweet just like the phone call on the test. It's like when you ask someone. If they're caught they have to tell you. Say donut me. They can't at you. Just don't have any cause you were correct okay. But what did Jay decent cove in nineteen the widowmaker? Jd has been sending me drafts of things that he wants to go viral and and he has been working hard on them. So I just want the listener to know he said I cannot give him credit for his thing because he doesn't have a twitter account. He's he's giving it to me. He wants to test the veracity but I just want the listener to know something I post probably within a week is going to be created by Jason Very. We'll never say what it is or isn't that's all I wanNA say shall we play the JJ voicemail? Yeah Yeah Lou. Blank CHECK FAMILY ON J. D. Mato and I love movies blanket. Think it but don't touch each other because of the virus. I just want to send a quick message. Congratulate the blank check team on their fifth anniversary. You all should be so proud of yourselves. That's such a phenomenal accomplishment. I am of course appreciate the fact that you've allowed you part of the podcast in small ways. But I'm more appreciated the fact that you've all been such kind wonderful friends to me over the years it truly means the world. I'm currently in. The midst of a doctrine mandated quarantine. Don't worry I'm fine The time is allowed me to explore my old emails and find my first ever correspondences with each of you. So ben by I email with you was in two thousand fifteen when you're booking guests the podcast. I believe you had to cancel. And then re Book L. Worked fine in the end David my first email from you was in twenty fourteen when I sent you an unsolicited audio file of me. Giving my take on the current state of reality television at the time. And you responded about twelve hours a day and avoided having to send an audio file back to me also. Looking through these emails I came upon the following email from five years ago from May two thousand fifteen. The subject of the email was help us with the final episode of our stupid podcast. Hey David Simpson had been recording a stupid podcast for the last couple months solely about star. Wars episode one. The Phantom menace the explicit goal of. This podcast is to answer the question. What IS THE PHANTOM MENACE ABOUT. And so far we failed in that regard for Cardio Final episode Wednesday guys five years later and that wasn't your last episode. You did many more and your podcast evolved something completely different and completely wonderful and speaking of evolution. I want to say that in life. A lot of things evolving changing adapt over time but also a lot of things. Stay the same and those things stay the same can be really grounding and really magical and give us a lot of joy especially in times like this when so many things feel changing in new in strange uncomfortable. It's nice to look back and see that there are certain things that never change those things that are always true and that brings me to my first ever email that I got from Griffin Newman Griffin. The first email you sent to me ten years ago June twenty ten is the following email subject line toy story body of the email yellow. Here are the deeds for tonight. Hope you can make it. You've got a friend in me. Griff and I hope you know ten years later. You still got a friend in me Graf and all of you. Congratulations on five years. That's such a big accomplishment on behalf of myself many of your co-conspirators fans. I say to you blink. You thank you and I'd like to end on a question. Now that five years have passed. Do you think you've achieved your goal of answering the question. What is the phantom menace about? And if not how many more years do you think it'll take you? I'll take my question off the air. Levy guys goodbye David. This is a very serious episode. Okay that's true. It's a fifth anniversary. 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It's Brooklyn and everything you need to live your most comfortable life great voicemail from JD amount of their Jan genuinely made me a little emotional Gulf Griffin. Why did you send him an email about toy story? Do you think you're going to see it? That was the weekend that toy story. Three was coming out. And I went at the Ziegfeld. Rip One of the all-time Great Movie Palaces They did a marathon screening of all three movies back to back to back and forth on a great joke. Five comedy points but at the end of marathon. You got to see toy story three earlier than anyone else and I invited jd. 'cause we were in an Improv class together at that time at the theater accompanied. That's never done neuro- anyway. Jd has been one of our great Friends of the show that that I e mail he read was US asking him to send in a voice mail. Four final phantom menace episode because tenor whatever. Let's just get all the people we wish we had gotten on the show. We didn't really have many guests on the phantom menace. Podcast it was the next ministers. We start bringing people on. Jd came on the show for the first time and Our good friend Rachel Lang Choice Mitchell some of the Morgan Evans was in that one. I think yeah didn't drucker do. I can't remember if he did episode two or three. Sonia psoriasis people entering the fray but we had zero we had one guest Colorado. Phantom podcast is that I think so. Am I wrong about that? I think you're probably right. I don't remember But it was one of the things that certainly helped the show evolves as we open it up to other people in developed are sort of stable of friends and regulars as the shows evolve. The thing that we've You know that we didn't plan but that we've tried to acknowledge and hold onto is the show being this weird middle ground between like pop culture criticism and comedy podcasts As people who are fans of both of those things and US coming from our respective backgrounds but also having interest in the world's You know one of the things. That's fine I think is having people on the show Who Come from comedy backgrounds and allowing them to talk more seriously and not feeling like they need to make a joke every two seconds and having people who are serious film critics on and allowing them to be funny and not make you feel like they have to We've some elegant tapestry. Not everyone can be the poet laureate. Not everyone can be your finest film critic. Ben has both of those roles. Unlock that so someone like Sony can come on our show and she's one of the best writers out there but she can also do stupid bits with us. Should we play another clip? We didn't answer his question at the end. Oh right Oh yeah I feel like we fully know what the Phantom menace is about at this point Griffin. Do you agree with me or am I saying that? No I think I have an answer. Do you want to say it? I'm curious lineup. I want to hear yours. I stayed at the same time on three. Here's my very short reductive answer. It's about how blind arrogance destroys the science. No we have the same answer. Yes right right yeah. It's about like yeah. I mean it's weird. How the sequels that George Lucas had no involvement in? Were clarifying in this regard. But yes it is about your watching an empire crumble under its own like what's it called arrogance but there's a were Hubris. There we go Chris. That's no but I think honestly in light of like sort of the recent movies I really do feel like it's about like that POW Patine Fox about that forces consciousness. Yeah no it's funny. I mean we at one point in time we thought we were GONNA do for this. Fifth Anniversary was re assess the phantom menace but with context. That was her idea was talk about it as a star wars movie since we never did that on the show. I thought that would have been fun. But then you decided there's been too much star wars talk of late which is not inaccurate right. I stand by it but it is one of those things that I think you and I are both slightly warmer on all three of those prequel movies. Then we are in those episodes because of the thought experiment of pretend the other movies don't exist. Defection comes from the way that there in conversation with the others even if those movies are not wholly successful. The bit was stupid. We should have acknowledged the other movies. What a waste of a year. Well part of like the response on read it is. We had a question. So maybe I'll pose this to the group. Do you guys want to talk? About what your least favorite episodes are and what you would have done differently. If given a time machine and also what are some of your favorite APPs I mean I said the ones. I like the lease. I'll tell you the two episodes I'll give you the time machine on. I think and I've said this before I think We were really ungenerous to Ahmed best in our jar jar episode. Think we were very much following the same line of attack that everyone else was following and putting a lot of the blame on him which was not a fair Especially in light of how much. He's opened up about how difficult that process was for him. After the release of the film and the other obvious one is but it's one of those hindsight's twenty twenty we literally did not know that Lelong was going to get pulled out of that episode. Oh yeah episode. It's tough for me to release into because I feel the same anxiety that probably our listeners. Feel where you go. She only has twenty minutes left. Why are you asking her about interviews and the answer? Is we thought we had two hours. It's no one's fault but that's okay was one person's fault we're not gonNA name her. We don't even know that person's name I know her name but that's no big deal and hopefully we'll have her on at some other point. We had a really good conversation with her. I thought are NAUTICA. Talk after we should do this with her. We Look Silver Lining skype. Maybe we'll have more west coast gas on the show in the next couple of months. Who knows who knows. I'm trying to think of any episodes. I don't like I feel like we talk. I mean I don't like the fantastic four episodes said that Whenever we did a retrospective before all the episodes. What's a bad episode of blank? Jags this thing I'll say I would go back and not lose my phone and fall on the ground when we heard of that episode with Dana. You lost your phone and of course yes yes you were very late. You were right. Yeah I I I recall David saying I thought you were dead. I didn't say that was maybe a little harsh me. Yeah had crossed my mind. That was not good. I didn't like that I sprinkled severely. It was a whole very sorry I forgot. I forgot that was that episode. Was there like a director. You guys were kind of like tired of doing at a certain point. Oh sure Burton into that right away. I I will say I didn't totally feel this way but I remember it a little bit of exhaustion with Spielberg by the end. That was at the time. Definitely the longest we'd ever done. Yeah Yeah I think that was just because it was twice as long as any mini series. We adopted that there was so much variety in that career has been very end. Those banks at the end rule. I think Spielberg's interesting because like he. I Love Our Warhorse episode and I love catch-me-if-you-can I think we have some like really good episodes in there. I still could not tell you one thing about Steven Spielberg. He's like an enigma. Besides like he's just good at his job whereas knows where to put the camera and he wishes his dad was nicer to Well that's what's weird. I mean he's one of those paradoxes where his films are so weirdly revealing and also so weirdly impersonal at the same time. They're in certain ways he's telling you everything about himself and in other ways you feel like you don't know him at all. Yeah he's a funny kind of like Jerry Seinfeld in that sense yeah. I think he's less weird on balance. But yes I know what you mean and brought up. Our Warhorse episode actually have a clip clip from war horror film. Pilot Vera wet by the first three minutes of the film. Feel like fifteen minutes and it's a series of sequences. Totally silent of Jeremy Irvine. Watching this horse be born. Grow Prance around you. Know achieve full-size so creepy feared very fucking crazy. Okay but here's where I here's my first problem with the movie. The first pivotal scene is an auction. Yup Peter Mullen a great Actor Christopher too good director Plays Jeremy. Irvine Dad Junkie MIC drunkenness. All drunk farmer drunk drunker farmer Booze Yup And then David through lists plays like Lord Evil like the like the mustache and sideburns only Like you know land baron person. And he's like I have that horse a million pounds. Please and Peter Molin Peter Mullen not term your vines. Like he's like he he like dares defy his Lord right to. What does he care about? The horse briefly falls over the horse and then quickly wants to shoot the horse in the face. I mean he probably feels like his sign isn't gonNA find like anyone else relationship. Yeah but when he brings the horseback Jeremy Irvine Jeremy Irvine acts like. Oh Wow. I've never seen this before like. He doesn't cool horse. It's good Horse Horse Joanne. We're GONNA make a special alcohol for him. I'm definitely enjoying. I'm enjoying meanness horse for the first time I haven't spent weeks upon weeks watching this course from its birth The implication I guess is that David do listen is the evil land. He's not even he's just a dick he's just he's like there's a fucking horse and what purposes affordable horse have if not just to hang out and like a fancy manner right and be ridden around by rich people and not do much eat. Hey maybe do some dressage. Yeah and do a little dressage. Yeah be like a dancing horse right yes right. Exactly what La- silly horse look at this auction okay. What does this have to gain from owning the Horse Right? He's a rich man he could just put the horse up in a nice is kind of like. It's okay since even that into the horse but the idea is that it would be a show. We're going to say it so much and yeah can I say that? Mp Three file is called. Fuck -able horse. It's funny because We usually are very charitable movies that you know like we come in with like sort of like trying to find the things we like in them even if they're bad you know what I mean. And that's the movie that a lot of people really and it's a movie that is not my favorite but certainly he's got lot going on but we just came in. We were like Jesus. We really just wanted to take the town. Take it to the glue factory. It's one of those things like like master. Builder was a similar thing. Where sometimes it's just like the mood. We're in how deeply are in the filmography. The guest we have just the Alchemy of all those things. It just becomes You know I think you've always clarified David over and over again. This is not a bad movie. Podcast that we've tried to avoid that. No disrespect of Adamou podcast. There too many of them out there and we felt like we don't want to be just another one and so a lot of times people will suggest things to us. You have to do an emergency episode on and we just all right. Yeah I mean look we. We could have boarded the ship with doolittle. We might do what. We're doing doolittle episode. Actually George Cancel. Then we're doing this series. We got it. Never mind all plans out the window but the point is like any time. There's a calamity. We don't feel the need to discuss it and we don't want to cover someone's film career largely because their movies are bad But every once in a while it's fun to have fun with a movie and something like Warhorse is just it's it's pretty easily Makgale. It's called Warhorse and it's about horse that everyone wants to faulk then. Do we have a matrix clip? You know as a fourteen year old I was looking for a sequel to the Matrix. That made me feel the way the Matrix right and it's a good question. What did we want this movie to being? I think it's a fair question to watch this figure that out. I was trying to think. What was I expecting out of this film because I look at the trailers and they get mixed and I still don't know what I think it's promising and I realized that lever to imagine what it could have been like in a more sort of nominally like commercials equal. I think I sat down the theater and had no idea what I actually wanted. I wanted to be as surprised as I was watching the HR deferred to do. That's the thing right. You know I mean that's what's tough. It's not just like oh the matrix is really good. Some of the Guardians of the galaxy. And you're like good make sequel. Yeah just like can have more of these guys pound. Long calendar is they. They fight aliens. Good easy to make a secret. I don't need the sequel to be to explain like the world of Guardians of the galaxy in like extreme data need bigger picker picture mythology. I need like there's a couple of villains there's a macguffin right and then at the end there's a big fight but you know I get it. It's not gonNA be fucking Shakespeare some pop songs and it's like I gotta Pop Song GonNa work you know but I know there's a clear roadmap that a six year old could tell you is what burns the galaxy to should be in in basketball in is when you're drafting players it's okay. It's very brief. Utah draft yes but basketball and he put it in that in those in football. It's probably similar football. You know you talk about a player ceiling when you're drafting right so it's like okay. You see a player in college and you might say he's good right now he's probably GonNa just be this. You know. Yeah he'll he'll be good and then you see another player like I get these rough around the edges. But we know from like doing this for years that he's got the kind of skills that if you develop them right he could be a megastar church so like the ceiling is very high. But it's more high risk thing so that's kind of what the Matrix is right like a sequel to the Matrix is a high C. You could make something incredible. Yeah like talk about a world where you can do anything. Yeah Galaxy you know you know what you're GONNA get. Could put a boo boo and sums it up right. They'll noises. Yes one hundred percent but something. Yeah I I don't know what this you you just go like. I don't even know what the paradigm shifted so much in the wake of this movie. I don't know what I want out of it. And it's also this weird like you can't go home again thing where the Matrix is a hero's journey. It's so uncommon to their position. It's a new character entering into the world. Yeah right you know. This movie is a total subversion of the hero's journey man. That's why it's so good. Okay so I would have. I think I know what I want. And what experience I believe was also seeing this at the time but you did not rewatch it. You told me I did. Not You know I didn't have time okay. We're doing these episodes very close together and I don't think we can really reasonably expect them to have to watch everything. We're doing three in a row. Yeah so anyway so I yeah I mean I you know I left and I was just like those were a lot of keys. That was my take Ben. You like you like size quantity or is that less important new oppressive amount of keys. I'm on board. So did you find mechanical keys to be an impressive amount of gas. That was up two layers of clothes that are covered in case he's got like an outer and inner vest very very serious question. Can I ask a very serious? Yes you can yes. You can has been become our finest living film critic. Look what if it was like USA? Today and there's a picture of your band like leaning against his fist and it's just like the Matrix reloaded in. Just those were a lot of keys an important moment and historic moment and I think that listeners ask for to to give more back story to go down. Memory Lane of how? Some of those nicknames came to be But but that yes. That was a big one. It did feel like if I can if I can do a little Ben Hasley tribute here for a moment if you'll so amuse me it's still five years into this show. I don't fucking know if I get the Guy I'm constantly constantly falling in love over and over again another perfect one where it's just like. Where did that come from? It's both it's it's to to quote the storytelling principle. It's surprising but inevitable. Any truly is our finds film critic. I also think you know. Our our listenership would be a lot more limited. If not for Ben. Being present on the Mike as much as you ban always say. It's not my job if you guys are on a roll. I'm not going to but in you know the shows about you I've had so many people say or or even just read people right You know I'm not as big a fan as you guys are. I don't watch all the movies. The level of Shit you guys know is actually kind of off putting to me. Ben Is the way that I'm able to get into the show the fact that there's someone there in the room who has a normal person's knowledge of all these subjects and his both so funny but also can sort of function as an audience surrogate. I think it's it's not the special sauce. It's it's it's the bond is the bread that holds the sandwich together things at the door. Now we'll check. Yeah who who's this crying person? Ooh I like me anymore. Who is it yeah? It's boy how you doing chef another pull yourself together. Okay so take Geez. No one is rough. Run those things why what's going on. No one likes might not fresh pasta in the Ken. Yeah it's not the best. I'm sorry to walk outside to a store. Pick it up. Bring it back home and he pushed. He's not a fresh it's not. I'm sorry it's really not very fresh. That's not what people are after. I thought when people like at the things that I'm no in fact people like to have over. 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And I have a special promo I would like to share with your listeners. Go ahead if you go out Spent Forty minutes travelling to the supermarket. Right to get the cash chef or the Special Promo for your listeners. You can send me in the mail a check for ten dollars. That sounds great. My profits are done. I just need to raise extra money. Somehow it's GonNa be alright so just please bio Ken and then send me ten dollars out of goodwill but I just need to restate at all times. It is really not a bit even if you know that what you're about to say is funny. These are actual thoughts and opinions. You have your choosing to share them and bring them within a comedic context But but hang out with Ben off microphone is pretty similar to hanging out with them on. Microphone yes correct. I WANNA weigh in on that clip from a different perspective. Which is it reminded me that we did. Those matrix episodes very close together for that and we had to cut the third one short because Shannon O'Neill was outside basically banging on the door saying like get the fuck out. I got a record my show right and so anytime anyone's like oh they've already talked about the Matrix. We had to rush the end of the third episode. There's still plenty to say guys we're still paying. I watched the Matrix a couple weeks ago with a friend who had never seen the matrix before an experience. I've been searching for a little bit to see someone. Enter the Matrix. Now who has seen the Matrix? My friend Lexi who now has but but even watching it with her. I was like Ugh. I would do a much better matrix episode today than I did. Five years ago. One hundred percent both in terms of just being a better podcast knowing what our show is the fact that that Matrix episode was presumably like ninety minutes. Long is insane to think about now any time we cover an episode of movie that culturally big. The episode tends to be five hours but also I just feel like Even Matrix is one of those perfect cultural objects in that. It's a perfectly made film. That somehow only gets better. Relative to whatever's going on in the world it is speaking to such universal truths that whatever shifts in society somehow Matrix reflects it in some interesting So it'd be interesting to talk about again and maybe if the fourth movie ever gets finished will will go back. And we'll do the Mon- Patriot so I thought we could play another message from our mother. Emily Shida Hello Griffin. Hello David This is Emily or Shida Aka. The mother of Linke's calling in from Hollywood California Gorgeous Day out here in Sunny La. Today I Just finished punching up third act issue and you know maybe I'll take a walk around and took a coconut off a tree or something. I don't know something like that Well Hollywood is just changed me as I'm sure you you know he's noticed But you know I still remember my roots. I'll never forget recording. A podcast with you sweating in a closet or Griffin. Had A flu or that other time. Recording a podcast. If you sweating in a closet while Ben had the flu or review might have hung over something. I can't remember so you know in these challenging times. I'd just like to thank the Blink. Check podcast personally for collectively strengthening my immune system Oh also while I have you would love to circle back sometime regarding my treatment for the feature film untitled Bambino Project. I think it would make a really exciting addition to the Lynch slate. And I'm pretty sure gotta would let us shoot their discount so Hit me back whenever you're able would love to Hop on the phone on a zoom. Whatever you're comfortable with grab some Joe Virtually You know I love to make this happen. I think I think it's a story that needs to be told well Happy two hundred boys and two all blinky. He's happy two hundred Mother love see very much. Have a good day bye. I Miss Emily. I mean I mean. She just stayed at my house for week like a month ago whenever that was but I still miss her. And we banked up we have we do. Cheetah's return to New York. All saved up no skype or resume necessary Yeah she's I mean. Of course she's a great friend of the show but also right she's basically on episode zero. That is the the one the second Fanta fucking. What's it called? Force Awakens and that was sort of the beginning of everything that was the beginning of US thinking. We were blank check. I mean essentially rebranding the podcast and also outside of The judge judging the judge and the podcast four one of which is good one of which is not they that was really the first episode where we were the high-concept Shit and the show was loose and fun and I think kind of established the tone that we would have Going forward so not only did she. name our our listeners. But she also really help us figure out what the show was as we kept moving their couple people who really like you know At bannon todd obviously responsible for giving us the chance to even do this in the first place And Emily really helped form the show but the two other people who we credit a lot but they deserve all the credit in the world who I think are responsible for you and I being friends. David our analysis to Noah who didn't even know this until I D M Too recently to say three pay have I ever did you ever realize that you're the only reason David Meyer friends and have been doing a podcast. Together for five years Three busy Deborah's coming to adult swim soon and pilot very wet on the Warhorse episode They are the one trivia invited you to Trivia and if not for Trivia we'd probably never would've started hanging out as much as we did and we never would have developed the rapport. That has lasted us. These these five long years Trivia in the short running time of the bling ring I would say yeah that saved US really. If the blaring had been to twenty this podcast might not have ever existed. I'm yeah I would have gotten that taxed. As I was leaving the theater I would have been like. Oh pilot texts me forty minutes ago saying to go to Forget it instead. We were like you know what let's do it. I don't know if you've ever talked about this either. In the many times that we re mythology is are beginning but when you got the tax from pilots saying do you WanNa come to this movie Trivia night we were at a different trillion? We were I think we have talked about it. We were at a bad trivia. We went to a bar to get a drink and they just plopped a trivia the paper in front of our faces and you went. Do you want to say yeah? I like Trivia. We should do this and you went. Okay let's stay and we stayed there was like what's the capital of. Bolivia was not like particularly involved trivia but I mean the sliding doors if we had stayed there at at that Trivia night. Maybe we'd BE HOSTING CLOUD SAFE AMERICA. Instead you know boy we'd be we'd be tone. Mr Trump. The line is here and you will not cross it. Initially do now is not the president. I haven't listened to you partying barricade in in quite i. I'm GonNa say that guy's gotTA shape up or ship out and I mean it. Hey I've had it aren't so here with Mr Trump. Let's not start anymore. Podcast beefs Ben. Do we have another clip? We do well? I thought We could just play a few moments with Chris. Gathered and we also have a really great moment. from Miyazaki's mini series. Where David Rees? I think really blew everybody away with his assessment of spirited away but stepfather blankets himself. That's true all right so we're GONNA get into some of those clips now all right all right. Okay here we go. This is good. This is good matthew would as general grievous fail now. You want me about this one. What a fucking pieces. She didn't character with a pile of shit performance. What an insulting to everybody's fucking intelligence both intellectually and emotionally speaking. What a fucking train wreck character. Skittering out on the floor like a little fucking jerk when you're supposed to be this person everybody's chasing. How did this person rise to prominence in any army? Why are the so obsessed with getting this bumbling fool that can't do anything right? None of it makes sense performances deplorable. I hate it. I hate everything about general grievous. Three fails here no question. I'm also going to give him my L. VP. I'm going to give them my work at value most valuable player. I don't know who I'd give it to. I guess I'm going to think about that. Might be Sam Jackson I anyway. That's awesome as well as your MVP wondering who the MVP is. I got mine I so I think this might be a is it Ben Cook Kisco. Ding Dean kid is the shit. Is you sense from the body. Monday PLO cleanup session. I I got it. I got their character in these movies that you see less of that. You want more of more than kit. Fist in the second one. And the third one. GimMe my fist. Oh what's the deal? He looks cool. Axa Cool everything about Kifissos fucking cool carries this film absolute MVP without without without the keystone. That is kid fist. Oh this whole movie crumbles kit by far by far you get this sense. I could tell you. I saw Christopher roughly four seconds in this. Here's what I know kit fist. Oh Jedi master. Yeah but probably on the younger side probably on the more rebellious I'd goes off and does vistas thing a little too often for the jet councils Gifford but gets things done his own. He doesn't need the clones as much as others. Maybe he's of the ones that voice discontent about. Why are we relying on this? Because it's easy that's never been our way hit fister. Someone who gets out in the field doesn't kit fish doesn't care if he needs to go undercover clandestine for months even years at a time. I don't get the job done. Maybe kid doesn't play Nice with others. Maybe kid fist. Oh doesn't get along with everybody all the time he doesn't play the politics doesn't play the game he goes and he gets it done like a jet. I Kit fist. Oh Mvp now oh please Sir rock well just to clarify you guys. He's the guy with the green treble. He's got big black guys guys the second movie if he pushes someone over a droid six. He's he's running when they go inside that big stadium. That's very convenient for the fucking battle. He's running like I'm going to fuck shit up and he said that he gets to do it. Kid Fist Sto seems to. You know what it seems like every jet. I master has a stretch before. He's a master where he's just gets real into the fact that he can fuck shit up and I get the sense. That kit fist does right in that phase. He hasn't settled down yet. It's not about wisdom. It's about fucking shit up and talk about tragedy. Cut Down the prime of his life. I mean you're saying this is a man with only potential ahead of him. I guess is that if you like like if I would have because I'd have to imagine that these Jeddah as individuals are legendary characters like like Like baseball players or basketball players are to us when we're kids and I have to admit I have to imagine. I don't think this does the Lebron James. That's probably Yoda. Yes you're right and then you got. Kevin Durant is probably Mace Windu Chianti. Monday is probably having demarcus cousins. He's like into markets. Do this you're talking about somebody. Who's your Guinea Westbrook? Oh that's great. I always Westbrook all day all day just brings the tell me that doesn't makes total sense. He's awesome job with joy and energy. And fury wrecking ball. But it's like but here's the thing like he needs to be pulled back sometime surprisingly high assist great wrecking ball and a ball hog but guess what Serge Ibaka is not hitting corner threes without westbrook going one on four and drawing all the kids enter situation. He's you know what he is. He's responsible anikin. Yeah so you think maybe they should just invest the money. Right in confessed. I want to see a movie about kissed though. Do you WanNa see where Yati Monday. Emplo clan yeah three them hanging out. Tell me you wouldn't watch move kidding me Jed Iraqi now. Those are the three everybody wants to see. So do you WanNa know something interesting about Ben Cook? Who Plays Sneak is from gi? Joe Yeah he snake. Uh-huh now I just want to show you. Here's a picture of having cook. Every here. He is. What does that look like this? Who Does he looked like Jason Safe Them? Guess who he is. Jason Say Samsung Double Down that he plays Jason Jason Stapleton stunt double in like so many move wow man for the fight coordinator and a lot of movies. I'm obsessed with. Yes Oh yeah I think he does a real because he'd look at his look. You know best. There's like a big kid. Fisa follow any place. I can get more INFO on FESTA. We'll get we'll tell you lots about Kisco and are there comic books and Shit. I think studio. Here's the expanded universe all the kids. We're basically done but there are Tamang. We're not started with just got the fist which gray hit single syllable strong kit. It's not like clock bar. One is dumb fucking busby. Whatever these dumb George. Lucas names are far fif- stone. Moving jet fighter makes sense. Even cloak loon is pushing coyote. Money GRAD NAMED PLO. Koon right on the edge. Yeah Yeah hit this sto. Tell me more I think this is a record of someone having an encounter with the sublime. Yes right yes right which I think this movie even like. There's a lot about this movie. I don't understand and it's a lot about this movie to take me but I understand how someone could watch this movie and just feel like this is on a whole different level this. There's something about it that is just I don't know if it's the dream logic or just some of those incredible images you know but it's just like this is six out of five stars. Yeah I also think the key differences I have had encounters with the sublime that I completely understand would not connect for most people right but I watched spirit away and I'm like this movie is capturing the sublime two hours. Yeah Yeah even if I am not as in on it as perhaps Nitra Liz right which let me say I think is great. I think it's a masterpiece. I love it. I feel like I need to watch it eight more times. It was weird to me not having seen it since two thousand two when I would run it my head. I'd be like I barely remember any of that movie and as I watched it everything was actually remember this every element. Suddenly I was like wait. I know the score. I know pretty much. The greatest score the score is pretty incredible but I was like I had no sort of replay recall in my head before we watching it. All unfolded like this experience of I feel very often. I wake up and I don't remember my own dreams right and then something happens over the course of the day and you go back. Yeah totally and suddenly in the entire leading back to me and it's very emotionally overwhelming like right in my dreams. Someone held my hand and now that someone is held my hand in real life. I'm remembering mystery. And where I was in the fires of hell in their handheld retire. Bit Whatever the thing is right and watching. This felt like that where. I'm like emotionally overwhelmed. With the idea of this thing that was sort of like buried deep in my unconscious which connected with before had no emotional connection to the last time. I saw it now suddenly having this like tremendous weight and feeling like it was like this. Unspoken thing that had been laying dormant. I think that's why this movie is so powerful and I think and I mean preface this by saying like I don't know enough about Japanese culture to really understand everything that's going on in this movie but we can talk about a minute but what I wanted to say. Was I think one of the reasons this movie is so powerful is because it always does at least to me feel a little bit beyond my Ken so to speak sure. Shares always reaching quality. And so when you come back to it it does have that same kind of strange. Surreal Authority that a dream can have over you which is again almost like the same notion of the sublime. This is just a little beyond what you'll ever be able to understand and when you watch it against like Oh my God. I'm back in that dream space. You know what I mean. I think that's what I think. That's why the movie can be so powerful. How You Doing Ange? Okay feeling good. I don't have a back do you? Guys are all like deaths of some kind and so it was like trying to like set up like a like a leaning situation in like. I'm my laptops on like a TV dinner. Stand right now. You're killing it and thanks. I'm trying so guys. What are some of our favorite old bits? So like one won't be. I remembered I totally forgot about is handing out cards remember. I used to give like the guards. Harvard's and read one of your best backyard's. They've asked where they went totally forgot and then Griffin. You had your soapbox bit. Oh right. Yeah never soapbox yeah. You'd have to go upstairs and it would take a really long time and David would always be like. Oh my God that bits been replaced with every averaged. I think that same function is achieved with every ad. Read the boss on with it. I already. I've used the soapbox bit on twitter. I think it's like an translator. Another one I thought of is member when you guys kept going blue. Brown were doing the Batman episodes. Yeah Palette of each movie palace or the no one. The Nolan series brought out a lot of silliness in. Yeah surprising way. That's when we started at audio boot. Yes ben you had gotten hired over to audio boom and we left The UC be podcast network to follow you there but all of that was happening also while I was filming the tick you with a pile up of things that happened all at once And so those episodes were all recorded at weird times or days off or weekends when I was really stressed out overwork. And we'd have fewer guests on that mini series because of that and I think those episodes Our Song People's favorites because Some sometimes the show is at its best when we are kind of going crazy. Yeah Sadly true well. I think a lot like you know went. Directors are like limited in certain ways. I think sometimes we don't have guests or like particularly fascinating movie to talk about not that Nolan's not fascinating. It allows guys to get creative and silly weird like the inception when I have a vivid memory of like walking home in realizing that Ben was like adding in like the layers. And you guys each like falling back into like hearing you all go with pretty fantastic. Should we listen to that we do? I mean for context. I was resistant to doing. Nolan was when we were going to do Michael Bay when he pulled out through hints on Mike that we were GONNA do Michael Bay they started objecting so then we pivoted to Nolan quickly. And I didn't WanNa do it because I thought he is too big too many hits. It's not interesting to talk about. We had mostly covered filmmakers who had had big ups and downs at that point and Spielberg was something of an exception but we also covered the period of his career. That was weirder so I was sort of resistant to Nolan. And the thing that finally won me over was in our tex chain Ben said what about the inception episode. Podcast within a podcast. I went fine. I give up and then you and I started planning how we were. GonNa do that. Episode it was a classic blank check structure where you and I plan a dumb thing. Don't tell David about it. And test his tolerance for the dumb thing that we are foisting upon him favorite. I also think it was. It opened up the show a little bit both in terms of how silly things got and also in terms of. This really doesn't have to be a bad movie podcasts. At doesn't have to be a PODCAST ABOUT PEOPLE. Failing it can be more generous thing of just sort of trying to figure out a person in their work and talking about these movies in their cultural place. I think it free to supplement in caption in caption so he makes inception and comes out and people like that. Okay well good. Good up. Wait a second. Then what's that is their leaking ceiling. Rebels Bob Oh my God here in the studio then what's going on. This is great so far what's happening. Podcast is collapsing. God is the Rue falling apart. We just started the party. How are we going to? The room off collapsed. Good we have to go deeper. GotTa go go. Can we go into a podcast podcast? Yeah I guess I guess we're GONNA. Yeah Okay let's plug in. Don't be too shaking up we can do. This brought my dream suitcase. Okay here we go all right. How do I just instantly fall asleep? You just put the thing on your art ever really figured it. Harry go count sheep. You mustn't be afraid to podcast. A little bigger darling. Ooh Oh good there you go great line. Griffin and Great Davidson check with David. This is a mini series. Called the podcast. And say we're talking about the movie and caption. Okay so the movie starts Starts Well it starts with Leo Nardo to caprio washing up on a beach. Yeah right that's the first thing. I should just apologize in advance. If we have some sound problems we are recording from the back Van Right now. I'm going to take a sharp turn. What great performers we are I mean is the podcast collapsing talking about David? But coming sillier on the show for someone who dare I say it never made Herald team never made a Lloyd team. Background is an old bit that multiple people who don't know what it means texting. Can you stop doing that bit? I don't know what it means kind of the reason. We stopped doing that bit. Yeah but it's Monday. David truly didn't know what we had planned for that episode and he was not hearing those sound effects in real time. So he's just hearing the two of US saying those dumb things describing what's happening and do a lot of physical act bounce. We were both acting it out physically. Yes because we had to make it real for him in the room but David like a great improviser was just yes. And didn't he was accepting the reality and he was rolling with it even if you can hear him rolling his eyes at the same time. Yes out that episode Rebecca fullness friend of the show and someone who became a friend of the shows through her listening to the show her starting to write about it on a v Club than we started communicating with her on twitter and she eventually came on. The show has become an IRA friend to all of us. whoever the best That episode she put as it was the top episode on Pod. Best that week on the AV club where we were like the headline huge huge one of those things that just kind of like Especially back then. Oh those three long years ago it was something that could overnight kind of like make a podcast especially within that sort of sphere and she had very generously covered us a couple of times. There are Cameron Crowe and to the which house-key in Shamlan series But then that was the main headline the photo was Griffin and David finally tackle inception and the moment that I realized that could be a headline on a v. Club and not be gibberish. You know it's not not a way that there were enough people listening to our show that people could see that headline it would mean something was it was one of those moments. David you and I both big podcast fans I you know. I think we both thought about doing podcast. Our lives but aren't necessarily specifically driving towards that NARC careers But I think that was a moment. That was kind of very surreal. Lay pinched me of this like we we are. We're a real thing now. Now can we talk about? Of course the most important bit in the history podcast that. I think we're talking around. I'm sure what is it. I don't know if you folks are aware of this but David grew up in England. Forget that that's what you were queuing up only sales. We speak so American accent right at my was born in New York City. He doesn't even wear petticoats. Doesn't even listen and David has truly walked off camera. He left on my way to second. This is never come up on the PODCAST. That's why I felt like had to save this for the fifth anniversary as a big reveal. David is currently leafing through his UK. Passport he's holding it up to the camera. It's real folks. This is no bit. In less he is committing passport forgery. This is a real easy. You Pass Four. Oh my God David Lawrence symph will but how you fucking new one because of Brexit and right now I have the e one. Here's a question and posted on the red a couple weeks or maybe a month or two back Asking people for things they want to see your ear in the fifth anniversary episode. And here's an interesting thing to discuss. Because I don't know if we've really talked about this just a nice little little bonus trivia facts to give our listeners. I laugh alone which I believe is the Great Amelia's right corrupt. He said. Have you ever been close to getting a mini series subject or a star of the film? You're covering to be on the episode. I don't think we've ever come close with a star but we have twice gotten within shouting distance of getting a director on we multiple times were at least in the preliminary conversations with ang-lee people end with MD. Shamlan people and David has switched to a different background. Photo that is now Colin Farrell. Ingong in Miami Vice but this is true and it's not a thing we talked about and maybe maybe someday we'll make it happen. Yeah I guess we talked about. We have talked about Shamlan. Ingley never talked about that. We'll see hopefully it will happen one day a couple of times. We were looped in with Shama lawns with the marketing team for Glass. When that movie was we we talked about that we did. We did acknowledge that one. We got close to doing it. We almost interviewed him. Live and then Angrily almost at our live show with James Shame S. He was working on something overseas. He was getting an honorary award in like Taiwan or something but I believe he was also producing that award. Show well all right. He's not. He's a hardworking guy. Look he's not going to get to work producing the damn show but he relayed a message to us that he he would have been there were he in the country And then when I was coming out and when it was coming out on home video we were talking with the marketing team. Look we've we've gotten somewhat close and they're the two who feel the closest and hopefully someday we'll We'll make it happen. They're the two guys. I almost would be most curious to speak to especially Shamlan who in his assessment of his career. The last couple of years I think has a similar perspective on his career as to how we sort of talked about him on the show. I Want Spielberg. He should come on Spielberg on bank. Jack I would sit down with the bearded one I would. Now we're talking. We're talking Shamlan. Who's the first director right after the Star Wars days and I thought we could play some messages from some friends of the show who were like really early on started being guests and were you know people that are now in the five. Timer Club. Oh some five timers. Let's let's play the clip. My favorite movie is why. Why is your favorite movie? Wally be funny. Hi Griffin and David and Ben this is Katie. And Charlie Charlie King say hi. Hi The last time you heard Charlie and the show we were on the titanic episode Charlie was a tiny baby. Do you remember going to record the recording studio with me Charlie? Yeah Yeah you do Since then Charlie has seen a lot of movies Charlie. Have you seen gigantic? What happens in that movie and they both want it. He does get to the water. But that's not your favorite movie. Your favorite movies wally. Who's your favorite robot? Wally what other movies do you like? And you're movie the short movies What about seeing a movie theater? What do you do at the movie theater? You are in the audience? Yeah and is it a big screen or a little screen? And what do you eat Gordon? We wanted to say thank you. And congratulations on five years As a special. Thank you to letting me bring a baby into recording studio. I can't believe you let me do it and Thank you for having me back after that Maybe Charlie I can be on again in five more years Um wind. Charlie will be a big kid and watch big hit. Movies wants to anything else. Charlie okay. Happy Anniversary guys. Hello Suzie Griffin Benny. This is your friend. Richard the Kevin Fi of the troll cinematic omnibus. I wanted to say happy fifth anniversary. And congratulations on such a successful joyfully. Ridiculous podcast listening to your show and being a guest on your show during this completely non stressful totally. Normal half decade has made me laugh. Made me think and made me reconsider everything. I thought I knew about the movies. I love you boys and wish you at least a couple of years more as ever. Please support my trolls as they and I their malevolent creator will always support you. Yeah we we should acknowledge that. The trolls have a significant financial stake in the show. They really do. But they're somehow venture funding like a lot of the operation. We're in the pocket of big troll and yes the troubles as a collective much like how Wisconsin owns the Green Bay. Packers yet right we. We are largely owned by the trolls as a collective man. It was good to your Charlie's voice. I haven't seen Charlie Baltimore since he was about two years old. I'm last summer. And then he was in a phase where he just called everything yellow any color. You'd ask what colors were always just say it was yellow and clearly. He's just only growing by leaps and bounds. Yes weird the way. He's a growing as time progresses. Can we also appreciate that? She said he listened to big kid. Movies older as if it doesn't still watch movies back. He basically has a one of your favorite movies is his favorite movie. I'm glad he upgraded because for a while sing was his favorite movie and for a while before that it was cars three and I think we're finally getting to the real good stuff. He has somehow tour shit look unwilling to call him our second finest film critic. I think Charlie belt is an addition to the youngest ever. Guests is the second finest film critic back on the show. We will you know a thing. We have floated out. That now might be a little bit further off. Just because of where the world is at one of our ideas for our eventual trip to Disney in order to cover galaxy's edge is to make a little pit stop to visit Katie and Charlie and do a little episode with them We would do. Maybe a trump release choice or commentary or something with Charlie So you know. He'll he'll join the timers club eventually and Katie Richard Little Goldman listened to it. Read them on. Vanity Fair to refinance to people who we would not be such close friends with an offer trivia as well it just kind of crazy. How many of our recurring guests are either people? We metric Trivia People who knew online but we Invited to Trivia and that was the first time we met them in real life or previous friends of ours who joined us for trivial once or twice in them became closer friends. It really is are are sort of Social next for this show still. I Miss Trivia. I must now I miss everything. I Miss Literally everything outside of my window. I think this is a good time to say that anche rules used us to say that yeah. I'm so so happy that we met you. And you became a part of the show and now at this point five years you're able to really take on so much more of a role with the show and all that you've done to grow Social media for the show and like assistance. You provided to me and I just really feel like you have brought your own voice to this show and such a great way and of Anshan and so so thankful to have you part of blank check ban you guys to we love you and you're the best and you have helped show in so many incalculable ways. But also he's been such a pleasure With you you are someone we have had solely through doing the podcast and it was a happenstance thing. You know that you happen to be interning at the time that we were sort of getting our sea legs and that we noticed your tweets and how much better they were than our tweets. And when you're internship ended we said if you WANNA keep doing this we will pay you whenever we figure out how to make money off of this and for a long time. I've been thinking you at the end of every episode saying thanks and for good for social media but that has been reductive for a lot of that time that was initially. You're only responsibility with the show. But more and more over time you have been taking more and more responsibility and your voice has been affecting all areas of the show and you're looped in all areas of planning and and sort of bigger picture strategy and and now are starting to appear On microphone on the show more often But but you are you know. Anche is This is I guess as good times and make denounce with the Andrews A producer on the show sort of fulltime team blank. Check as we are figuring out how to keep this thing going and what else we can grow it into Huda Barracuda the tweeter. I'm trying to think engine the pussycats pussycats Yeah Yeah. Let's hear a clip from that episode. That was the first episode you appeared on right now. Yeah yeah that was. You guys gave me a choice to pick whatever I wanted and I went for Josie and the pussycats so why it turns them into the next digital number one. The next thing I sure does your going to say I love that. They hide within the cut. That's a bit of a time. Jump the fact that he actually hasn't heard them at all because he's having the conversation with the bath then go but he's never listened to our music contract right he's here with real real record deal so goodness whereas Oscar. I remember my here is his Oscar for this performance him and we'll get Parker and spent hopefully like twenty minutes on her but like yeah sure. That's where we need to do. We need to spend twenty minutes on there. My brother Jamesy sure I remember him. Coming home engraved off the grid. James Newman coming home. Being dropped off by his friend's mom had taken him and his friend to go. See Josie the pussycats on a play date for and she was telling my parents how bad the movie was what and she was like Alan Cumming embarrassing. I have no idea why he did this. After cabaret he's such a good actor and that woman was married to a record executive so she couldn't see the forest from the trees performances. Fine Yeah a little flip phone music pitch. Yeah but then. We quickly fast. They get successful courses. All montage very quickly followed by Senate crazy. This has all happened in one so funny I also love No. There's the shot when they see the billboard in Times Square where rebranded as those inclined. We'll go watch an animated series cassia motion picture called shows e and the pussycats but they prior to that says. Would you rather go see the pussycat three fierce ferocious ladies? Yeah they have this beautiful like Matt Painted Times Square right. They don't even take time square and put fake billboards over. They compress all of Times Square until one corner. That's literally like you can't see anything but New York looks like a cure or something. It's like unbelievable. This movie is Great. And they're beautiful like loft apartment an as we've already noted million times any scene. There is some sort of product placement in the background somewhere. Yeah yeah allow. I forgot the Josie and the pussycats is the greatest movie ever made such a good relisting to that clip. And as if I wasn't already all in on Gudo at that point podcast I had played the idle mind game of what if I ever did a Griffin's choice episode not that we would ever need that because the whole fucking podcast is David Nice taste. But but what if I like? Ben had to pick a one off the never would necessarily fit into a miniseries and Josie and the pussycats was probably my answer. And then you pick that end and It's it's solidified that you belong in this family Ange is a very good writer above all else and I think saying that you are social media person even though we are not properly credited as a CO producer of the show Acknowledging all the other things that you do. But it's not like you're just the person timing post. You are writing things that are so in line with the voice of the show. That's what made us notice you and Yeah right I mean I think before the Josie and the pussycats episodes the time that we had hung out in person almost always like a business meeting like. Let's get coffee in like strategizing catch you up on the state of the show that that was the start of us all becoming more friends. The four of us together right hang out and texting about movies. We might sound a little vague talking about this right now but it's mostly just because The world kind of on pause But we've been talking a lot about like our plans for the future of this show but also kind of what we wanted to do beyond the show and not in terms of Oh we should sela book or make a TV show because who the fuck cares. That's not what this is about. A trying to find a way to expand what we've been able to do in the fact that we've been able to build a little functioning economy about it around it and the most You know satisfying part of that is not just able to like give Andrew fulltime job but also people like Joe Bowen who is just a listener of the show who sent us Fan Arts. And we've been able to pay him to make more and more art for us which we use for merchandise Pat Reynolds. Who Does our photo shots You Know Lane Montgomery Theme Song these people trying to be able to repay them for the time. A put into it Especially because all of us started out doing this just for fun not being paid any money and the people who have joined our family also just started doing things out of kindness or out of a passionate interest but there was nothing at stake. And I WANNA live in a world where people can get repaid for working hard and being kind and Sticking around And we want to try to Be Able to extend that a little. Bit Ideally In the abstract be able to make some other shows with our friends With the people who you hear on the podcast a lot with the people who are in our ecosystem not start a network or anything but a maybe a little production company and that sort of what we've been planning for a little bit and it still the plan It might take a little longer to get off the ground But the hope is that we can build this into a little economy that makes it easier for people to get odd casts going on now. I I kind of thought it'd be fun to maybe talk to you guys about sort of just the run of like the marvel. I think we're more or less. We've recorded in wrapped on star wars and just sort of hike our thoughts and how the that that like Franchise commentary series has been going. I mean I think we. We waited a while to do patron because we didn't want to do it unless we felt like we had a good idea for what made it different from the main feed without taking something away from the main and also a way to feasibly record that much extra audio a month because if we're going to do what we wanted to offer people a lot for their money but this thing that's nice about it is. I think it's hard to go home again. The show naturally evolved it changes and more sin if we tried to keep it in the same place it would be disingenuous because all of our lives have changed in the last five years and we've changed as people in the world's changed around us and all of that but there's something about doing the patriarch commentaries especially because they're just on a couch and they feel kind of low stakes. Even though there is a lot of money at stake that people are literally betting on those episodes being good they are able to feel a little bit more like the Early Star Wars episode. I think it's been so fun. I met Nice. It's not big Nice. It was one of the great places terrific place but You know it's not like The blink checkings is become incredibly formal or structured. But it's nice to have another feed where we can do sort of weirder stuff and get Lucerne. Have it be more of a hang up shop? You know what I will say Over the over the many many episodes I've had to cut out stuff to protect. Griffin's career did you not cut anything out. Oh No why was I supposed to? I thought you were joking. No you yourself just said you had to cut things out to protect my career. That was the deal we made. Yeah but it was wasn't a bits. Bits podcast forgotten obits podcast griffin really. Sorry I bit here was that now says no. I understand forgot to look at it. Okay yeah okay. Well now I fucking understand the feedback I got on my Jurassic World Dominion Audition yet. It now you'll never have telling me the more. I thought I did a great tape. Jeez Louise that would okay. Here's the thing someone asked about on the red at that. I WANNA speed round really quickly just for the sake of getting messy because so much of a running bid on this podcast has been me saying things that jeopardize my career not really a bit not really It has increasingly become a thing where I get audition email and I go. I don't know if I can go in for that knowing what I just said on Mike and at least one time when we had to cut something out right after I booked job but someone asked him the thread alongside What things did you come close to doing? What guests did you almost have on the show? The guests that we almost have in had had. I think we've named all of them. But maximum Jamie Bell. Who Will you will have on at sometime. James Bannock came close to recording with. We will have on at some time. I don't think any sort of secrets near gets my dad. Right Robert Hasley. We will have on at some point episode right. Yes covert nine hundred survivor. Antonio Dough Fan okay but if I could rattle off jobs I almost got. This is fun. So I'm just going to speed around this okay. Let's go obvious one. I discuss a lot. Scott pilgrim versus the world playing young. Neil I got weirdly close. It was The most panicked. I've ever been about my career to playing Ken Jones role in ride along two which was really it was originally written to be a twenty three year old white guy. And if you look at the movie Ken. John was cast so late that he is costume in that movie. Like you would cost you me. He wears a backpack and college student. Close the whole movie. Got weirdly close to that Tange mutant Ninja Turtles. I don't know if ever talked about this on the podcast. I almost played Michelangelo in the Michael Bay. Produced Tangible Ninja Turtles Reboot. I was almost on smash playing Debra Messing Son. That came very close to happening. I mean you would have been the game changing element. I think it would still be on. Today would still be on the air or it would have gotten cancelled faster. One of the two would have happened. Didn't we do a Scooby Doo audition together? We did a Scooby Doo audition for the movie. That is now wells. Come Out. Scooby maybe now will never be released or will end up going straight to tick tock the whole thing was. They said they wanted a young comedian to play. Scooby Doo and they didn't want them to do an impression of the original voice. They wanted them to make their own. Do you know who ultimately got that role. You told me Frank Welker for for the last twenty years in the voice of Scooby Doo in every media property so someone someone eventually was just like. What are you talking about? Just have a B. Scooby Doo. Jesus Christ what are you talking about bloodshot? I was trying really hard to cast bloodshot. Oh yes you were you were did you come yeah. I remember that I remember that. I didn't come as close as the other things I just listed but I was I was trying so hard to get their attention and I was sort of getting through to them that I made an audition tape of myself. Doing vins a quarter mile at a time. Monologue from the first fast infuriates And that role was ultimately played by Lamar and Morris with a British accent. Okay have you seen the movie? No when when does it debut Tuesday Tuesday okay? I'm excited to honestly as someone who skipped the press greeting. I am now excited. I mean a a fatal mistake. I partly skipped it because I was like. I don't know how many more of these group events I should be attending. Well Sure Yeah. Yeah Yeah and the other regrets. Griffin any people. You've maybe regret telling people that punch anybody wears like sort of like a hat you learn the boats perhaps look we talked about earlier in the episode and I will say actually almost brought this up then. I think we should talk about this. I do genuinely regret What what Colin trevorrow bit turned into? Yeah and you know we genuinely are not huge fans of that guy's movies At the time we started doing the show we were as we've said in a closet doing a show for no money that literally tens of people listen to and It felt like well. This is so clearly Punching up who are we. This show is nothing. We're being hyperbolic in our dislike of this guy as a person It's very clear that it's a bit but as things Do They metastasized crow. And they take on a life of their own to the point that he eventually caught wind of it and was clearly upset that a podcast spent three years telling its listeners to punch him in the penis and it is a thing that You know in the same time that we've been doing this show. I have become much more of a public figure than I was when we started. I am nowhere near the level of success. That Colin trevorrow has achieved I say with all sincerity but I've I've sort of now come to understand what it's like to have strangers you don't know Same things about you and analyzing your intent all of these things and I think it's a thing that sort of changed the show that you know even if we're gonNA criticized things I try to do it from a place of a much greater empathy And and not do that can sort of callously be misinterpreted in heightened To a degree that you can't even control anymore so I wanna say I wanna say this look genuinely I am sorry to the captain. Colin trevorrow is done a number of things in the last year that I deeply respect I think his recent drastic World Schwartz. The best thing he's ever done I think him giving all of his proceeds from rises skywalker to children's hospital is classiest fuck and also. Hey Guess what Colin you prove. Us wrong your script episode nine was in arguably better. You fucking got the last laugh. You fucking phoned us. We're the new touche and If controversial ever want to come on the show the doors come on con. We were a he can punt griffin in the piece. I will say this. I guess I will say this. All sincerity ever. No I truly if controversial wants to come on the show he's punching the pianist. I mean I mean I swear to God it is the least I can offer. I'm sure he would. He would be the bigger man or whatever. I'm sure he would not do it. But yeah he's CA class here tonight but he deserves a shot. He's clean shot at the pain. All right let's wrap this up guys. I got to go eat something. Yup well do Griffin and David. Do you WanNa say nice things to each other. I'll just say I love you boys and I really respect you. Both and I think you guys are hilarious and smart and the show that we are going to keep doing for a long time is I. Don't know it's just really fun and cool. It is fun and cool like me. David is pretty cool. No please anything sincere. He wants to complement himself. He wants to say that he's well. He is now he's bad sims. Says you're going to put the shirt on get I I will say this about David It is one of those things where he was the friend. I did not know I was missing in my life until I met him. I'm mad weird time. We met circumstances But once we started really clicking I recognize this is a person I can have types of conversations with that I have never had before these conversations I previously only had in my mind with myself or I try to have them with other people and they go. I don't understand what the fuck you're talking about. The it is a great pleasure and a great privilege. If you get to meet someone in your life who unlocks a different part of yourself in that way and the thing that makes me happiest about this show if I can get emotional for a moment when people message us and say Especially now as people are self quarantining in social distancing You know we get these messages scattered throughout the year. But there's been a lot of in the last ten days or so people messaging me directly and saying I really really WanNa thank you folks for continuing to do the show and putting out a regular schedule while all of this was going on because I'm kind of losing my mind and the show really helps me and I'm a dude with a broken brain. I discuss it a lot. I got all sorts of weird mental emotional curiosities and for me one of the things that has always kept me sane whether or not it is healthy. I self medicate with The Art Entertainment. I love it. Is there the things you're looking for gift? Movie movies movies. They give me a solace and they helped me understand the world a little bit and they give me a little place that feels like home and My friendship with you. David is another thing that gives me a relief and what we have. I think unknowingly been able to make with this show which we never could have done by design but when people send those messages what I recognize is happening as we are allowing other people to join us in these conversations people who live in different cities who live in different countries Who might have a job at weird hours or a weird school in a weird place where no one else cares about the things that they care about? And you can always go online. You can go on a message board. You can go on. Blinky dot ready dot com but these conversations you know very quickly can take a turn on line and what we have tried to do with. This show is make a conversation that all of you folks can join in on. That feels like beers or the coffee. You would have after seeing a great movie or bad movie when you're trying to dissect it and trying to offer up that kind of friendship to other people So you know it never gets to the point of seriousness where I have even verbalised this to you folks because it's never something. I'm seriously considering. But when I'm in my darkest moments when I'm in my most stressed out when I'm feeling the most depressed about my career my life or whatever I go should I stop doing everything should I moved to the ALP. Should I stop doing the podcast? Is The podcast a hindrance? My acting career is the podcast a hindrance social life. I investigate all of these things because I over think everything and the answer to all of them is not only enriched every sector of my life but also when I get a message from someone saying I had a really rough year. I struggle from depression. I having medical issues. I went through a bad break. My mom is sick. Any of these things. These messages are coming in with greater frequency. Now as we're all fighting this pandemic it makes me wonder why would ever consider stop doing this thing because at the end of the day is the only thing? I've actually aspire to do in my entire life. Whatever abstract career goals I have had any point in time assigned to any specific type of job. The thing I really wanted to do was Make something that people could care about. Feel like I made some positive impact in the lives of other people through something they could consume because the stuff that I consumed as the only stuff that keeps me alive So people often send those messages or will stop us when we're out on the street and say these things to us and I feel like it's always preface with an apology. I'm so sorry to say this. I'm sorry to bother you. I'm sure you don't WanNa hear this and I just WanNa say Never stops hang. These things It means the world to me in a means the world to us It's very validating and It's it's honestly. It is a great honor to be allowed into your lives in that way and I hope we can Continue making things a little bit better for you or at least a little more comfortable for a couple of hours. A Week I agree hell. Yeah Yes it's very hard to make friends. This emotional is very sweet. We love him. I love you buddy. I would just like to point out that listeners at the image I want in your head while Griffin gave that beautiful really touching speech. There's a Shirley looking at each other. While I'm sitting next to Gong Li in a bathrobe image. I want in your heads. This is a very very silly podcast. Griff it's very you know. It is hard to make friends when you're grown up. I don't know if you agree with that. But and and everything we've been saying it's like it is nuts that it all worked out the way it did and how easily it could have not worked out And then it got us where we are. Today I don't know you already said all that stuff. It was great. I I can't come on top that hey I'm the classic so wondering you know it is I feel like the four voss or you know any any two of us in any configuration often. When we're hanging out will say like looking back. Isn't that crazy that we made that decision at that point? They're a bunch of items. That in retrospect we go God. We really dodged the bullet there are. We somehow did this thing. That helped us weather the weird ups and downs of this podcast industry It's weird to be making thing in an industry that is still figuring itself out And We've gone really lucky in a lot of ways but we also just we work really hard to try to figure out what you folks responding to Entrap. Give you more of that. You know the money that we have now gotten from Patriot is something. I think. We never could have anticipated. It has changed all four of our lives but it is not something that we are going to let Make US lazy and we are not going to rest on our laurels. A putting it back into the show. We're putting it back into the show and into the community and we're following the M night Shamlan model. Which is you Gotta. Bet The house and you gotta stay scared and you gotta keep on trying to push yourself to new areas. So you know the show is gonNA keep evolving. It's nothing dramatic is going to change in the way it sounds to you. The show will remain the same but stuff is changing behind the scenes and hopefully will extend to other things outside of it if any of us are ever allowed to leave our house. Hopefully we'll be doing more live shows and will be branching out and having other podcasts that exists on our little family tree and making some real real nerdy merchandise for you folks. We have stuff that has now gone through production sitting in boxes. Emails have received. They will react. Can I reveal? Lets reveal one thing because I think it will be according to keep okay. Well the relevant item to today's episode. We have we have a special. It was going to be sold at our live shot. We have a special design. That the Great Joe Boeing made for us Tough to make the five anniversary designed that we were going to sell as a poster and a shirt we will still be selling them at our. New York live shows which are now rescheduled for June. Twenty nine if you already have a ticket. Your ticket has rolled over to the equivalent. Show the earlier late show on that night. If you can no longer make the show you have a ticket. They will refund you. And thus Tickets will be opened up to the community to give some other people a chance against that show but yes we have a really cool. Fifth Anniversary designed might post in a little bit. We'll sell it online as well as a t shirt and a poster but it's just loaded with many of our favorite bits from across the history of the show but you WanNa talk about some real nerdy Shit and initiative led by our own Angela Barracuda farragut out. We have produced physical comedy point coins. We have produced arcade style. Metal Tokens. Well I was personally inspired by John. Wick they are like John where coins they are. Not The specifications of the. What's the name of the Hotel Continental Mental Hotel coin but this is a three D. printed relief true metal coin with our dumb faces on it that is valid for five comedy points and in no other way is legal. Currency that is something we have invested our money into making we will be selling to you probably know profit the margins but you can give comedy points to your friend and that's what we WANNA do. That's that's the margin joke. The comedy point margin. It's the joke marriage and we want to open up the economy as the world. Economy is tanking. The comedy point economy needs to rise to the occasion So that stuff will be coming soon and look forward to more Future announcements of the other stuff. We try to do. We're trying to spread our wings and come up with some other things we can do. Use the money. You're giving us a four good and take some wild chances and maybe eventually get to Disneyworld if they ever reopen it. Drop in some a final voicemails at the end of this episode and a bonus size but bonus size voicemail from the Great Chris Weitz an example of someone who David as you said. It is tough to make friends as a grownup. This podcast has been a conduit for most of my adult friendships. Now people. I knew a little bit. The people I've met people have gotten no better Chris is a great example of someone who we were fans love who then improbably listen to the show. Reach out to us and now has become something of a friend and collaborator and producer. On night. Eggs thank you all for listening Always years to all of these episodes and thanks to inch fair go for producing this show along with Ben Hasley and A Rachel Jacobs who has stepped up to the plate and done some Herculean work for us over these last couple of months as we have been weathering a multiple career in industry transitions. Rachel has been a hugely hugely hugely important to the show in that time. And thank you to everyone audio. Boom who has supported us and supported us But pretty unconditionally has never tried to change. The show has given us a ton of free rein and When we we jumped over to them We were still in a weird contractual place and they let us record the show with them for many months before a contract had been signed before ads were sold before there was anything to get from us and it was a real show of character and faith So thank you especially to brandon over an audio boom for that And I used to be comedy for giving us the the start in the first place Bits aside They didn't let us do that. Yep they they did not they had no reason to in fact it was probably a bad idea. It was probably poor business strategy. Much like everything they do goes to Joe. Bowen Impact Reynolds are as geniuses of people who just sent us stuff online and It much like Ange. We said if you WANNA keep doing this stuff. We'll figure out some way to repay you some day but it is crazy the longer. This has gone on the more and more insane. Their work has become Especially who had no background in graphic design and Photoshop did this just for fun. I feel like every new miniseries artwork he does for us is somehow more complex and more flawless than the one before and I can't wait for guys to see the fifth anniversary design the Geneva because it's a real roofs kiss and lay Montgomery for our theme song which was a written at the last possible. Second because I'm bad at planning things and picked him out of time for washing your hand. It turns out perfect handwashing time big money and hopefully live show at the bell. House rescheduled will be also the inaugural live performance of the blank check theme song with Lane. Montgomery so look forward to that as well as the debut of my buried jeans. Wow you're gonNA reveal that here okay. The genes our girl baby and they are ready to be shown off on the runway ready to be revealed they will be shown at our live show on the twenty nine. Those live shows were originally going to be the first to toy story movies as live commentaries. Were now just doing those on the Patriots feed But the thing we have planned for a two live shows now I think people will be maybe even happier with. I think they will be truly satisfied with what we're planning now. It is very much. It's a game with two of our classic BITs And Yeah go to blank keys thought. Red Dot com for some real nerdy. Shit it is very bizarre of the community that has sprung up around the show and as I alluded to earlier. It is nice to see people to have a safe online space where they can run go. I the only person who noticed this weird thing on this poster. The way I used to before I met David and have a receptive online community there to go. No I also knows walnuts. Been driving me crazy and I I we pride ourselves on having a nice Fan Base and a place In a world where so much of the shit that happens online especially around. The entertainment industry can get toxic very quickly. And I implore you all to constantly remain kind And e-mailings represent us will be nice love movies because that's what it's about at the end of the day and as always. David has fully rolled off camera. And he's been throwing his hands up like I don't know what to do is yelling at him once e- He's hungry and I don't know if you folks know this but I just feel it's important to say before we end this episode. I've heard of that Davis from England. Christ great guys bye. Hello this is Shirley. I don't know if I needed to say that anyway. Happy Fifth Anniversary. Check congratulations. What an achievement and said that I could make this voicemail whatever I wanted to be and however long I wanted it to be so who. That is a lot of pressure at first. I thought maybe I would read the architects entire monologue from the matrix reloaded or describing excruciating detail. The plot of Detective Pichu or do something just as tedious and on brand as like a fun little prank. But truthfully I'm feeling kind of sentimental sitting here in my apartment in La social distancing with a glass of wine on a Friday afternoon and operating on this like low grade level of constant unwavering anxiety about the futures. So here's what I want to say. I've only been in the studio twice for Ang Lee's sense sensibility and for Pondo during the rocky series but both of those visits were first of all some of the most fun I've ever had in the middle of a work day and second of all discussions that made me think about movies and moviemaking in engaging in lubricating way that you know even though I write about movies and TV shows sometimes. It gets lonely putting ideas out there for strangers to respond to on the Internet. Which is something. I've never really gotten used to to be honest so I remember that first episode was such a breath of fresh air for me at the time. you know just getting to talk about a good movie with good people to dive into one piece of filmmaking in the context of a larger filmography to hear all your bits and Griffin's impression of Alan Rickman and Ben's hatred however misguided for the film and David going off the leash which I am not sorry about by any means this is going to sound incredibly cheesy but I think a lot about this quote from before sunset which is one of my favorite movies as I think maybe David knows esther definitely knows shutout esther anyway. There's a bit where seeing Julie Delpy character talks about. How when you're really young. You take people for granted that you're just going to keep meeting interesting people all your life and it's often only later and sometimes too late that you realize that it's actually really rare to find people you can truly connect with and I think the same applies to more than just people you know. It certainly goes to the pop culture. You consume and for your experiences to just that that serendipitous thrill of discovery. And what's the what's the word like kinship togetherness Great Joan Hbo. And I just those times in the studio with you guys fall under that umbrella for me and I am grateful. I really am that you open your door to have me guests for two films that I love dearly thank you for that and Griffin. Thank you for the comedy. Points and blankets. Thank you for listening God I really hope. I'm not the only one leaving sentiments wastage if I am. I'm not going to apologize. I'm just maybe a wee bit embarrassed. But really congratulations on hitting five years. That's insane Holy Shit. Hopefully I'll see you guys at some point David. I'll continue to bug you on slack. Stay safe stay healthy and to wrap up. I'm going to leave you with a quote from Poncho a really. Poignant one I think so. This is so stupid. I'm laughing alone. My apartment into my phone by high blink. Check it's your friend Fran Hoffner from all the way in New Jersey and I wanted to reach out and wish you guys happy fifth anniversary of doing the podcast But before I get into the things I wanna say what I actually want to do is just fill in the back thirty minutes from my public enemy's episode. Because I feel like I didn't get to say enough about how cute Stephen Graham is and now seems like the perfect opportunity to get in all of my opinions Just kidding it's hard to just kidding when it's just you alone recording on your phone But thank thank you for the show and thank you for having me on. Thank you for letting me ask if John Krasinski in the holiday is the atom driver of Lincoln in of two thousand six. You you guys have introduced me to many movies that I think it would have taken me at least two to five years to find on my own. I'm thankful for the broadcast news episode and for the Billy Lynn episode and any long diatribe about the mule and or Green Book. Which as far as I'm concerned are kind of just the same movie in my mind now. I I listen to this podcast. Either when I am commuting or when I am running or taking a walk and so I get to experience this very unique point of joy. Get to listen to people. Talk to movies. Which ABOUT MOVIES? Which is one of my favorite things but also be outside which is its own unique kind of loveliness so thank you in a very literal sense for making being in the world A Nice and wonderful place and I hope you guys do at least five more years and then maybe it should be done. Okay love you. Hey blank check crew. It's Emily Vanderbilt here for some Trans Representation. So David and I used to be in the slack together and I remember when he started talking about this podcast he was going to do with his friend. Griffin. Honestly it sounded like the worst thing imaginable. Whole podcast about the phantom menace. Clearly I needed to save my friend from bad influences but five years later blank. Check isn't just my favorite podcast. It's a show that's gotten me through some incredibly hard times and some big changes in my life. I'm so honored to be a once and future guests on the show and I've been touched by the fan responses. I've gotten to the silence of the lambs episode in particular Griffin and David Bannon and Rachel. You've all made something wonderful and funny and occasionally profound and I will listen for many many years to come thank you. I'm good I'm scared. I Miss My friends downtown. Los Angeles is empty. And it's been raining and this is some real bladerunner shit. I hate being stuck inside but I'm glad this show will keep rolling on. I'm glad all of us have this community of Weirdos to come home to every week before I wrap though I've got do do do did he. Did he do a TACO report? So like a real tacos in amazing TACO joint here in La and there's this huge collection of twin girls to screaming their heads off eating tacos making a mess. And I become aware there is a dad sitting with them. Surrounded by TACO DETRITUS is closed hands folded together in front of his face in the eternal gesture of God. Make It stop that man. Ladies Gentlemen Non Binary friends was Jon. Favreau I'm sorry. It wasn't a Burger report. I really had one once and then I forgot it. Love you folks love you blankets. See when they let us out of our houses I will be back on this fucking show. I swear to God this is Chris. Weitz director screenwriter occasional producer blankie patriots subscriber and left me a lovely message Soliciting some kind of comment About movies in blank. Check in general so so here goes. I'm probably GONNA get interrupted because we've got three children at home which is of course. Wonderful tends to impinge on the work. quite a bit but i. I think I've gotten five minutes assigned to do this so some reflections on movies which are going to sound a bit airy fairy but you know these are very emotional times. Anyway I've been trying to focus my twelve year olds in this whole home schooling endeavor and one thing he seemed interested in was to learn about filmmaking perhaps just because he knows that it will involve watching movies. So we've been watching seven. Samurai in in bits and pieces not the way that it should be washed course and We will watch about half an hour. I will Yam are on to him about the things that Chris is doing. The amazing way that he organizes scenes the The how he uses his experiences in AD to move crowds so beautifully to organize movement. I will say Oh. Here's some jump cuts. We haven't seen those in the in the movie so far. Look at this. What kind of What kind of lenses? This is it wide or is it takes and this is called an over. The shoulder shot And talk about the editing rhythms and everything and of course you know once you start to cut these things up enough. It almost seems as though you're losing a particular magic film but but actually I realized that you know is he and I watched this and we talked about it and we would say oh that guy so bad so amazing you know. We love that summer. I the the interesting position of washing a movie. I mean in part it's sort of like I used to think it was sort of like you know when when robbers substitute a security camera video right and that you were hijacking your inner perception. Perhaps your inner reality with something externally supplied and so. That's sort of escapism. For for a while you are not yourself you are whatever. The movie is And indeed it's really wonderful when you leave a movie theater and you have this strange sense at the atmosphere of the movies continuing you sort of find yourself thinking and acting Sometimes foolishly like a character in one of those in the film been actually. I was thinking watching Seven Samurai with my son that it's more than that. It's actually though you're not all gone. They're still a large part of you. There there's a commenting pardon observing part. And it's this kind of extraordinary kind of metaphysical feeling like you are a god or an angel you. I'll be at one that doesn't have the power to affect. What's going on in front of you but you're kind of I guess. Maybe you're watching the watcher right. You are experiencing this strange transcendent thing of life taking place in front of you and I've often thought and this is perhaps where it gets super airy-fairy that people like me. Who are lucky enough to be able to to make these things. These kind of weird Contained waking visions are sort of in the position of a priesthood. Right we get to kind of create these Ritual experiences for people. Sometimes we have you know extra bits of knowledge that help us do that. Well you know in fact everybody can do it as we know from Youtube but occasionally we are given the extra sort of ritual tools and techniques and sometimes we even know a thing or two about how to do these things. Of course there are some like your Kurosawa's our director Bong who seemed to channel this sort of divine ability more than others And the rest of us are kind of parish priests As it were This kind of brings me to this metaphor. That occurred to me like how to encapsulate what I think about. What a what David Griffin and Ben Do You know when when when we were making rogue one that is Gareth Edwards and and the rest of the team on robot. One and I Gareth was very keen to portray a universe in which the Djeddai were absent. But there were still people who kind of kept the flame alive. These sort of force sensitive people So we made up these characters charity and Basem Album and they were guardians of the wills. I went back to the the books of early Lucas nerds and and imagined these sort of monks or priests who were not He didn't have powers but they should've kept things alive. And I sort of think that way about about the two friends also throw in. Ben GonNA throw an Ange as well and all of the contributors to blank check that they are these kind of force sensitives to the powers of movie making and they keep this Belief in something transcendent alive. So you know Griffin's Griffin's like baseball bats and Dave's like Sheridan way anyway and so when I think about a blank check and all of the time I spent with them it really i. I'm just filled with gratitude for how they have reignited my care for movies both high and low and Feel whenever on listening to blank check and I've told this to the check the guys themselves that that I feel like I'm in a more humane and thoughtful and kindly space than I am at at other times and I think that the world that they imagine all of them and I mean also you know You know and the mother blankie and all of you know. J. D. Mato all of the wonderful guests who come on I feel as though I'm a kindlier universe for for a little while And one in which I can focus again on The extraordinary power that these movies have to entertain us and chew also entertain spirits In a deeper way So thank you guys Everybody out there Stay cool stay indoors. 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EP113: Become a Hair Extensions Expert with Michelle Griffin

How To Cut It in the Hairdressing Industry

59:22 min | 1 year ago

EP113: Become a Hair Extensions Expert with Michelle Griffin

"This is not in a hedge an industry podcast show. We've dumblane episode number one hundred thirteen to have to cut in the head Jesse Industry podcast this show you that gives you the insights and information to take your handwriting and covering her is the next level as your host dumb <music> welcome back to how to Cutty in hairdressing industry podcast show with myself dumblane episode number one hundred and thirteen and I'm delighted to say that you are listening to the U._K.'s number one rated and original Parker show for the hair. I'm Barbara in industry now before we get into today's interview argies want to give a shoutout to our sponsors of the House cutty podcast and that is a kito scissors. 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Hedge us in Zimbabwe and career in today's house critique podcast become a hair extensions expert with with Michelle Griffin and if you like what you hear make sure to subscribe to the show to get new episodes every Monday coming up when you look at Hairdressing Korea. It's great to do everything but you might just want to specialize lies in something and if it you'll passion leans towards hair extensions guy full rice really guy for it because he's been amazing for me and my career it took me all over the world so that we have Michelle Griffin who is he's one of the most respected hair extensions experts in the world today and Michelle Griffin if you aren't aware for is so respected here in the U._K.. She is headed up the Fellowship Clip Star R._T.. multi-award-winning he would win him owns around Sam but she has really taken the nation of hair extensions and has gone about creating an amazing products and business for herself. She's created locks box Harry extension so if if you'll probably like me your not used to use inhere extensions maybe of never used hair extensions. Maybe you consider them. This is going to be an episode. The I promise you will educate you so much in this niche of hairdresser in any and it is one that you really need to listen into because this could open up the opportunities of so much to your career. I mean the business revenue you can generate through this is brilliant. You are going to learn why hair extensions tensions have come such a long way over the last few years and the guys here at locks box of really have come such a long way and Michelle is going to guide you right the way through the systems they have in place and the guy to just get in you set it's up to my be becoming one day a hair extensions expert. If you like the sound of that you are going to absolutely adore this episode but before we get stuck into that episode I just want to say that the entity in the show out I'm going to be giving shoutout downtown to free of community members hooping sharing a how to cut stories on Instagram so make sure that you hang around after this particular interview and here if you will end gets mentioned because you guys are so appreciated anyway. Let's get straight into this interview with a lovely Michelle Griffin of locks box hair extensions really excited as we were just talking about in the introduction so this is a subject that we have yet to get stuck into extension say days massive in the world of hairdresser in and who better to come on than probably wouldn't have most influential hair extensions in the world and huge respected hairdresser here in the U._k.. Michelle Oh Griffin Michelle welcome hi hi everybody that just subject new committee. I'll just let our listeners know. Michelle Has Pasha Airport Zimmer. She's listening to us the for many years ago. Leah's go doing lots of Ibiza. Hold onto them. There's a collector's item us so we are really excited to have you and I've known you in the industry for a long time. I mean you. You've done so much for show. You've really gone off you into this nation hair extensions of recent times yeah well I've been Harrison or it's nearly forty years to be on his lines. I've been working with hair extensions in my own hair since I was a t nine hundred and I started hairdressing so I've watched from the very beginning of having to go to Africa Arabian salons and having you have braided I did and having a waived in off just gone from the very beginning to wear is now an absolutely loved growing with the abane parts of it and being able to push it forward in the industry. Let me get destroyed. So did you do hair extensions on yourself off Norway. He's KGO eight NOVA WORKS FOR AHEAD DRISSA. The toll may all about headpieces pasta. Ish I've always worked with wakes and happy sees Avatar. My own Harry's quite fine so always longed for this thick gorgeous log has so I used to go to an Afrikaner by being selling Birmingham that used to record ebony so anybody out there that new bit I used to go and see for about five to is I was abby my hair braided with fiber extensions. I looks gorgeous. She'll disagree but brilliant. How could I follow that would've now ever so when you say hair extensions I mean we're going to get really into this and there's there's lows are one our listeners to understand about hair extensions and also how could be great for them? Hair extensions has changed each massively. Hasn't it in the technology in issue Spicer Tom Main into the twenty years or so. What's your experiences at the how savall improved so that's how that's how evolve me? I've Been Kinda Salon owner twenty two <hes> which was quite an early age but one thing that wants to do with to bringing hair extensions so one of the companies the I ended up working for was raccoon and I took the <hes> products on that nobody else was doing and absolutely loved it and just kind of grew from there with the Mayan Salon becoming an educator and actually looking after team of educators and a spurs the beginnings Ray I stage welcome platform work because hair extensions said there is just the whole areas that you can go into is so much isn't it you know when you say stage. Work isn't just about adding lymph now. It's not an for now to died. I mean it's all about volume. It's about hair loss. It's by those clients go thinning had <hes> really feel that they could just see in a chair in Salon <hes> infants of everybody else when the has western handle trade fide that you know there's lots of reasons why have extensions ah so needed in a service in N._F._l.. Salon around the country. We're GONNA get so much. There's so much about they said obviously you've got your company with Harry extensions which we're GONNA go into velox box and or learn about that but I just want some of our listeners to get an overview to you Michelle. So you know just tell everybody a little bit more about hugh you are way by some of the things that you've achieved in the address increase. I fall okay so I'm basically Birmingham. Go a stronger accents. Some of this are really enough. How few <hes> rubies on I am retriever may yeah I started my career near forty years ago as a say I've always been interested in added hair always worked with headpieces and an enhance loss of the boss who used him and off dancer so we will always creating has dolls with these happy's deploy on ready for that age Internet classes so Econo- started from that and then at twenty two Miami Salar on the outskirts Birmingham in highschool ball gray which is quite affluence area thinking yeah? It's kind of like village. equalness has cost Whoa Day and it's probably about nine miles out of the city center but it's called influence areas beautiful area the clients woodinville headlined by Oh since Nineteen ninety-six so <hes> MRIs gagging Ceylon isn't it this is my salon coke roofing Salon Echo Griffin's really any predom- is predominantly hair extensions but we do color and everything else on all the team trained trained so an ongoing training so have you set out for it to be predominantly hair extensions or is it just you interest with so greatness it just become more and more I became an educator. She kinda <hes> <unk> qualifications and are based on Hera extensions so I really mentioned quite deep play up in full court number of yes in the subjects as a manufacturer came forward to work within so I kind of I don't know I just really got to know have very well and not just got such passion for it because because I already wants to help people have got fine. Harold WanNA creates of the plane difference wholesale yes so about fifteen years ago I saw entering competitions and find line and is it in the V._H._a.. Business Awards as well. We've one cut us on of the inside on baseness conditions and won awards has finalized in an awful yeah shoes Michelle yes. I'm finding a sore extension Sahan Z.. A. Half wanted once before thank you <hes> Twenty Six day so all of the competitions that are at ever had accent a half one before but I continue to other angrily but I guess the benefits of it keeps your name out. There is being a real as you now. All one of the leaders inhere extensions not just here in the U._k.. Around the world yeah he's keeping the passion you know in starring people I'd also ought to mention as well 'cause you heavily involved fellowship projects and as well the clip starting well the star Ozzy on color projects could have projects is the one that Iran for about three three. He doesn't think it was just love every many of the fellowship. I've have taken a little step back. I'm still on the cancel but I'm just so busy with my own brands. Now <hes> a level the weather day for and I yeah no I believe in everything finishes his and hallways brooding up power to the fellowship. I think we all our listeners if you will we'll put link again in the show nights fool the fellowship if you wanNA find out anymore. Let's get in to Harry extension so let's discover I you'll you'll brand. I WanNa know a little bit about locks box what you've started and how that came about. Okay so that kind of that because I was approached by royal manufacturer who would be what should may ten years. I said I saw this work for them and then quickly I realized that with the education I need quality had on. I'm teaching a needs to make sure that when I pastas out onto the company that is at this I believe and so ah conductivity from there and I asked if I could up my own <hes> Brown setup which they agreed and a vein accident with me and now wasn't I really love developing. I have such passion I listen to the Klein's listen to the stars. I listen to the industry of what everybody wants out there trying to push that full with while I'm doing with hair extensions upset about it was the quality of the hair. What was you not liking routinely with some of the head us if I if I was trying different sorts of have what shoes the dent different densities in textures of had and then hoped to pass them onto another company designed this needs to get half from and then they just became <hes> <unk> fritzy back on me so are defined that? It'll be difficult so I just found that if I had my own and always responsible for that and he is a massive responsibility it really is it's not something should go into lightly but I feel like after along with my career <unk> Mona being an educator traveling the world before he do. We know boards. I just felt that everything Harry extensions has to be tonight's hundred dollar in getting more yeah. So when you say is an just what are we talking about what I want to know because it was I mean you probably remember. This is few years ago wasn't it. Michelle was a documentary. The and Harry extensions came into a bit of a bad wrapped in if I remember Riley and this was being salutes she walks by fellow. Yes just because it was coming from our if I'm Borelli was it come in what I say Russian prisons and women we're getting ahead. What was your thoughts on that? What you always got get black markets you will always wii get had it's coming in from a route that shouldn't be committing from nog every products <hes> there's always copies? There's always people at different things to any you. Don't get you know the best of the best and I just think that you need to be rectal company. They need to be an snow executive has raw products. Can you backtrack and you could say this is right. Yeah I work with cope manufacturers and both of them are amazing. I can ask them anything and I gave me the right answers yet. I contest anything can discuss anything with them. I can move thankful word any ideas. I Have Yeah Albright Relationship Berlin so come on. Let's get onto a little bit of guide so for our listeners me included because yes. I'm a hairdresser. Yes I've done hair extensions very briefly back in the nineties with a company you've mentioned already but I haven't done it for some now. My was hugely interested in this subject as well. Some say amazing brands that is absolutely are amazing browns at that and I know each and every single one of them and you know what we we all support one another I height the I don't know when so people go ongoing that on conquer that because I know it's always absolutely fine who's right to you and I guess is giving but I can have new control on what you want to bring within your brand of hair extensions so for me. It's definitely making sure that you've got rexel Brown's that will support you and what you'll cancel looking for because that's the main thing he got to look at your Marcus. <hes> what you'll cry for and that's what you need to put into your Salam as a service you don't take on everything and anything <hes> unusual needs to limit yourself if you bought clients asking philosophy for things and you need a confidence the void that Bolia and give you as much support impossible Dicko sewing machine biggies things education is okay always when you do is at saint that you should be getting from whichever brand hair extensions Yuka with which ever about just put not Harris engine. Somebody's had it has put N._C._O.. Business as a service <hes> troubleshooting just absolutely everything consultation after cat you know looking at the textures Che's looking at the dance say looking at what e- client needs high which has she needs placement guides. Everything is really is a complex subject. You think this sometimes puts maybe salon owners hairdressers freelance headdresses often harassed censures. Almost seek is a mind comfort zone. I I think he does but it really is. A complete is it it sounds complicated. Cruises is a lot therese but if he got good education it's not complicated. It's it's pretty easy. It's it's common sense common sense when you're <music> adding something somebody's head of way play to create what it needs create so you've got creative but also got Latin commonsense there again. This is good. I'm just going with it in my head. I'm just going to win are trained bonding on. I was rolling on Hawk blue back on my really going back in the day here. Now you know because this is so hard that Bitta plastic look at rolled it so yes. It was just felt really awkward to me so I'm guessing for your reaction Camman huge amounts since those days of early. Hey Okay so the I I love is bathed my boss able to do that is to Idelson look new systems to design new systems to think about new things to look at what's on the market to try ads in my own salon and put it to market. If I really like than Kit will work coming up we'll other techniques and then the biggest thing at the moment is tight west so angry as long okay so tight West Cambay anything from as big as you'll fingernail <hes> which is what we call out many micros a convey as long as little sense Mesa's so it comes in different weights on it's basically week type that sold different strands off different companies do different strengths <hes> and it basically put underneath the hat a slice of hat and then can you put into the pace on the topsy sandwich the natural hat in the middle so that they just ease off about of high which hey you should put in that on the reasons why and obviously not taking it to close to the root causes Jewish tension as the most popular method I K- again so as you will just maybe just ruin us through somebody's techniques do these were different types of hair extensions. I is this for somebody that may be wanting volume leave or is it just a preferred method for that client or best suits at client. Yes I mean every everybody that comes into the Salon <hes> consultation so that you could you know how they want the info whether it's a lifestyle whether it's a wedding whether it's just the day the evening one of these different reasons. Some people may just having for caller just to build up sides so you do have to look at the different methods are there to suit that clients and then obviously texture all of his comes in education when she'll toes united stand that this is because I'm standing. I'll actually feel quite onto because I have to truthfully. I feel like I need to get back into this big time. You need when we go off and I'm GonNa have a conversation review exactly about this because is a an area of two. It's bad for little and because I get it and I feel it's got to be done right is going to be tasteful because sometimes let's be honest the media love celebrity with bad hair extensions and we will see bad hair extensions. I should imagine it makes you turn. We've got all the because he doesn't do the image and good spice again. It's another five of saying extensions Albright and stay all good for the hat you know if somebody professionals put it in -habitating four <hes> and go to take it shouldn't be any problem if they've got all of the after care and the after carrot vice so what's coming through brilliantly from your already show. It's a consultation is so why don't you communicate into your client about this isn't as an offering them the product for them so the actually I'm guessing isn't maybe the hardest seem once you know how to do is pretty common sense but it's just making sure that you assess your Client Roy and then aids absolutely absolutely I see medical service so you happy temporary colors you semi-permanent because is you haven't permanent junkie bleach. Is it exactly Siamese up. Is that service I. I've got just a little listed so we've got hot bond. Yeah what's hot bond that hot bond is when he's worn is of a mass and you can create the different colors and as big as abundance that you actually once they must pat has the natural have you can actually match ups store in the eyes of a mass you would that creates but harassing on the ends and you will roll into the natural hat. That's what we call it. A hop on got pre bonded pretty bonded is it can combing different methods different ways of the most popular is probably the Youth Zip <hes> which is shuttled the nail so shaped like <hes> an irony sits underneath that the natural had eh Atlanta's over it's up and then it's melting down is equally with an applicator and then you roll in surveys and then we got Margaret Bond and microbe on's micro bonds is Ziying as I <hes> it's a hot bodily com- e- can be pretty bond but it's it's when they smoked much smaller and you'll be using certain areas that are fine <music>. The talk or needs to the grim is okay so when you set out again let's have a salon in mind they come to you lock spots and they say Michelle. I want to get into hair extensions do you you need tycoon all those various techniques which just mentioned to get going with this now I know as I always liked to discuss <unk> giant wetzel media office and so she takes it all of the Coles but people I'm always open to people contacting may answer social media and discussing what they WANNA do like to gain such people and understand what actually what for their seller what they clients are asking full so just going back to the subject. May She really angry sometimes. When you hear the you know the bad press and I know that you do beautiful hair essentials and are now you'll produce a beautiful but what is your reply because we hear it from so many clients down we you? Would you like Harry. Say all that up that damage. Your hair is what's you'll wrote so I have people's I gots may all now check extensions because they don't have extensions damage legend. It's the way that its plan or the way that it's taken out or the way that he's taking care off so it's not the actual products. That's going to damage the hair. If it's done professionally so making sure you choose your product wrought you company Ride Roy Roy Education and then you're going to be in really good has and sink again you mentioned. I think this is for me. Probably the biggest best reason to take on hair extensions is when we talk about hair loss infineon had yeah so this is massive we have a a private room sallow and it was called for a very long time ago <hes> because I work with guys that have to pay cities and I worked it with the patient lines and plaza through cancer so it's gration so this I nature may were with all different types of hair and happy season had attachments annex corroding and I'm <music> actually love watching someone's taking this onboard now on wanted to be posited because they'll always be hot will walk through your that wouldn't have thinning hair and it just desperate to like the girl that sat next to her. I'll be as somebody's because the cat yeah absolutely you just see him but for a woman I think again as work in hairdresser I do many women who have been in hair is it's heartbreaking really for them but they need great to have that confidence that having yet a week fitted with hair extensions this could be really positive for them is Michelle that the dark days old clumpy wigs along on awful. You've got shouldn't even happen nowadays. It really shouldn't shouldn't see extensions now because the world is so open abides it you know celebrities wear over time. I think the young people well no more than star is to be on a Sunday night coming. I know exactly what they want and social media as just huge because that always cobain what we show you something on instructional somewhere of who they were like Michael Wa- wants to look like is on hair extensions regulations is in not not. Is it know who who can color your hair. It's it's no different really effectively the honest. I think everybody should have gone vacation ever is what he should have prequalification and a half being done. This roussy for a half works happier V._A._T.. Zeh Yeah. I have what we colleges own. I couldn't shrine in looking at working with the level three the I allegedly wrote a course enable off million. I delivered to lecherous lecturers lectures at that time bomb so I guess you reasonable us. It's no different to a color is no different to a haircut. There are people out there because as you say the techniques are particularly really hard. What makes great hair extensions is policy? You'll use in an the the communications which junk and that's why I just feel people should be recognized who are really professional in this but that's a whole hairdresser Jason About Bring Council compensation. I guess but I just feel we really need not professionalism stamp malls onto this well you said to me what was what would be the benefits while definitely you're in. You're introducing a new serves his he's on the clients within had volume adding color land so people call take anymore color in the head the processes we profit in their new clients and also it's most of ICEES staff younger members staffing by wants to do this absolutely so. Can you get those so let's be honest. Is this saying the actually younger starless who may be looking to add a bit more to their training but could be trained in doing this and that in Loubet service within asylum as may be brilliant yeah of imported. If you'll young training there is so much more than just washing and doing the use if you could get them trained in hair extensions. That's going to be a griping for them. Absolutely I mean qualifications now <hes> it's obviously still not included an option Anaya wayside young people when you look at headrest in Korea it's great to do everything think what you might just want to specialize in something and if your passion leans towards hair extensions guy for ice really go for it because he's been amazing for me and my career. It's taught me all over the world we this is well. I'm getting and I do know somebody male area who is carved out a brilliant business from hair extensions so this really is for people looking for nation headdress in this isn't you would Tali Recommend Michelle. Yes yes a would I followed every pather possibly could because he's been my passion and are still do off got so many things commenced to so excising <hes> and I'm always trying to inspire pay polenz how people that businesses united to if they got somebody that started around in the Salaam one and trying something I have extensions the news that brings some profit sunup net. It'd be motivated. Let's get down to the financials herrick stations in here and listening to you at the moment lock Ham if he can. This is really quite excited but doing this. I am thinking well. It's GonNa take for me. I see to get myself setup in being able to offer this for my small business. I'm not talking about big business. Let's say we're talking to <music> stuff's free stuff Salam. You're okay so yes ago. <hes> companies will always looking at any type big packages on a new enough to spend thousands. It's not like that now. A lot of companies are AH realizing that Saddam's job once we invest a a and then Osman packages at their if I understood <unk> waterline are costing for every company one of mine you probably send in Tate's Japan's and for that you could have you all Ceylon tines so whoever wants to be trying for that and the half of the models slipping included so I think that's a pretty good package include eight hundred pounds get you up and running with effectively starter but that training and that confidence sedan grow so I do that I say right Michelle your team. I'm good for this. A you. Come along or do I come to what what happens. We might training so so I teach from the salon hat in Birmingham so I can take small classes but I'm I'm actually doing it all so I start on the twenty first starting with Hooker in young and I'm doing workshops around the country. I'll go this is a U._k.. We're talking about here Michelle U._K.. In Scotland so oh I'm not work I only going to people salons as well but it is very time consuming so on now working with workshops and seven all around the country for the rest of this year so everybody we're gonNA come to that at the end. We'll get just share where people need to go to find out bit more on. Maybe they would be interested in coming along to that so we get training. We've got some hair for the models. Is there a lot of equipment that we have the by to start this hair extensions business now because if you're looking arts side left you just need to paint how this you need retypes need have so we got that so actually buying ahead so if we were to how do we book this and so <hes> Jessica She's trained Jessica's off the top of my head. Jessica is now trained. She's invested. I two hundred pounds. She has come to yourself at locked sparks trained. She's put yourself at that. Yeah I'm ready to go. First customer is ready to have some hair extensions took history. What would happen there or what we see? We've been for my office as because we've now opens a beautiful office in the grounds of fades and look the giants mile. This is my office manager so it launched me myself Jane they'll stay to a naked either core or they can email or they can inbox made so many different ways now making concerts and <hes> yeah eventually in the next few months though about to go online to be out to book and Buy Online so this is Jessica she she. She's had a customer come to her. She's book tour in for consultation. She may not have any had in her story couplet but she's got a free consultation so she would concentrate is anything to help consultations so she writes on the consultation for which is what we give the beginning of consultation phones we gave them older forms and then they would phone of J. or email J. exactly what's on their constitutional order for what would a consultation take in time in eyesight alive fifty minutes he doesn't it's not a big half an hour. They go less that climb particularly want show time full half an hour. She have an up also shine outweigh fine had Zeh and it might be a good idea to get some deposit to cover for that cost of when your price is maybe consider that Tyson in your pricing yet you can josh the consultation fronts and taking off when I have the applications yeah. This is a lot of money time if you give me absolutely fifteen minutes for for many people just 'cause Klein she's gone away. She's booked to come back as a how do you book Herrick. Sensors are no that could be a bit of the minefield because his head colors as depending on what the having but is there a guide that you would say on hair extensions time in way so by boxes so if I go back to the beginnings of Locks Fox which has being very long religious <unk> yes. It was designed by P._R.. At the time advantage the name looks locks in a box yeah and we designed signed <unk> dishonest box and created the name created the design of it so that the we'd be so much in each fox and now reside at one box is value two boxes is land and three boxes is volume on length noise so it's really it's really easy. I've made everything really nice what we was nothing that I have extensions <music> anymore. Okay so this clients come in volume in length what we reinforcing. She needs at least three boxes. I how what would that time being realistic for a Newbie Jessica is a little bit slow. What's so the time could parent hike to length and volume so it were looking at tapes and we look at length volume won't box takes thirty minutes maximum? I it takes me fifty minutes so maximum should take the so it would take an hour and a half maximum. I K so let's get down to the then obviously once that's cutting starling yeah all is included in that time fine because he's known yet lot what we call. A blend hurts so explains in the Harry extension into the natural hair. Do you get training Michelle this yet so important they have been cuts so that's massively important so they do that. Haircut it has to be passed noised every head athlete personalized exactly I guess if you've got a younger style with or younger trainer who's your commits was the end of the trial might be. That's what it's GonNa pass over to a starless. I guess to be a bit more equipped in cutting hair. Yeah I do child to costs and it really isn't that company Casey <hes> but to blend cuts to create soft layers derives blend <unk> through and put shaping it so Jessica's ordered free it boxes she's done a clients is taken her an error and a half with the blankets. For how much is that GONNA. What's what's recommended price? Would you say for someone who's new not done it for huge amounts of years the what sort of God price would you give for business so we charge in my salad and I can only cyber charge <hes> and so so recommends but it's obviously it's entirely salons salons what they want John back on so but we josh to engine fifty pounds of box so nuts everything from you know softening. The hacker is strong held on to the mob <unk> Joe to opera put the application of Harry to shut Shampoo Navy need to clean beforehand to start in it to blend in with the costs that would be absent to fifty. How much would that box cost ost secrets in that because I know if the customer was of C. to about the price of the box folks they say okay so nobody wants to email me or Kentucky name? That's why we'll send process. Of course I just trying to work out the business full the salon. They the business per want you know the profit margins are really good. Yes more than fifty cents yet so it really does make this worth doing any sue so just adding a professionalism you too that business yeah. That's definitely trying. <hes> relieves a with a presentation when I'll do. I obviously an along with them going with them. Sorry I'm far any questions that you. It's a very positive song when I'm doing this because it tells you how much I am Roy into this so I I've Jessica. She's done this and she's had a really good experience with this climb climb. We'll come back again. I'm going back to my early days. Some hair extensions would come. Is this thing that could still happen and they're not becomes another. Okay come in. We're going to have to put some more back in before you know it shouldn't because you know if you've been trying on zone and you've been marks often. The shouldn't really any problem so they shouldn't fool hey for Jessica's Klein is that I have to come back and have a little check on it. Get I mean what's aftercare week only rotation side so for us. If we on just looking at times the Kazakh could be hero. No not that might be. We have to come back to a nervous system in the future students so assuming one box of tapes so this twenty pieces in won't box even take an hour we josh one hundred pounds and our that's that would be taking lives while She Washington clients have Jinan popping them back every type in popular back in again and rebalancing anchor maps. I'm definitely we're having a conversation after this into us so it terms them suggests because done that she's really is. Is there an ongoing program at training so. So she could become even more experience and as a real sort of pathway fruit in this sector yeah I nine to train on the easiest of products first and then kind of bound everything else soon afterward so they only come back nightside mankind's asking about Mon- carring Prebon dead and then we saw process of whilst they should be a bringing vessel again. Ask for Ananias obviously content what we uncle typified. I should try which is the beginnings of everything so we're all different systems rebulk contempt foundation. We've also then got an advanced creative. which is the next step? Staples said this is a lot different placements to be united with if you more into show work or more into photographic were likely be A._J.'s wherever so because this is really listeners is to understand when I see so many these amazing has styles so much of this has been your hair extensions have pieces weeks of gone to revive trade since the two thousand six or seven and I've always audis hair extensions in some of my looks because you do what you want to do yeah for me a ways making it look as so hasn't gone extensions soils like surprise people with what would have extensions what wouldn't and now I know what she <unk> ends up so many hedges time forward and said we want to use your products and an acid Morrison and not just call why thumbs there's always a consultancy. They're offering voice yeah crazy so I just off tonight. I get my Ashington. We went on watch their work and see what they produced. Extensions absolute good have to start new tools and what a shame is just got started but about me. Give you a bright bless you find these these questions that you but I did actually read just doing a little bit of muscle research is I do color Steinem on hair extensions and what is this and how does that work so I really kalisz dining because that's exactly what it is and I'm a revenue ambassador so I worked with with amazing products as I'm sure the house the companies do with their houses but we have a product called new each collaborate which is actually a conditioning collapse and you can create any shades my last few B._I.. J. Awesome very nice could work in that using these Eisenstein in the habit and obviously ages needs rinsing afterwards and then I'll really on the stronger the gets only makes just might difference as well but yeah just never never use anything being higher than I would use anything hi four percents on on the head because I don't WanNa create I just want to Deposit Cola and I think when she saw odyssey headdresses bleaching had hair extensions and trying to put put six percents presents on an offer McGrady tosco his. I know that I'll Jesse about Harry's not GONNA last. Yes I am very looking behind the work way. The gossage mild products that I can do so much have covering novel. I also teach for Revlon so this is one of my calls for Revlon Brilliant. You can take every bugs. He's what a brilliant subjects on this is. Just cannot believe it's taken assis- long to cover hair extensions on Sunday morning coming arena when he I'll tell you what Michelle you're going to be my little Goto Guru now so you we're going to bring you back for more because I know that this is a we've only touched the tippety iceberg and time will only give us so much so I want our listeners to have a real big takeaway tip from you on why they should start Harry extensions to that business whether they're freelance salon whatever this is something that's out that it's been worn by movie stars and Pastas for forever and it's not going away. It's getting big on with problems like hand aussies. Just GonNa get even bigger and bigger bigger so it's a service that he needs bringing your son four one of these purposes. If it's not for fashion it's for hand and there's always somebody in your son. That would love to do this. It's it's new profit stray. It's a new party walking basis and it's GonNa Bring New Clients Ellen Amazing. What a great TYCO? I thank you for that aspirin. Okay so Jessica and crew. They're all listening just good by the way she's up and running now so she's she's great everybody the house where we gonNa Send Michelle so you mentioned about your tour. Is this thing we can come on. This is this could be July or August two thousand twenty fest July Newcastle. Oh we cook her in young. We've got workshop on there which is Sunday subtypes of all the Sunday Zinnemann Dice Manchester Got Nikki Oliver Kelly Academy on the Eleventh August at Griffin's in Birmingham with the the guest and any Barra on the first September and then I'm looking at a book aiding with Debbie. Jay Billy Corey's <hes> dining Linda towards the end of the and of reading presume the most are now have gone into distribution with license and they got an amazing academy in read it so they'll be causes there as well. You need some Michelle Griffin t-shirts as like a rock concert hopefully next year. It'd be worldwide wife absolutely well the right you'll go in. It certainly will but brilliant so where can we go if we're interested in getting tickets at a particular website we can get that formal. Who Do we at the moment? Were in the process of <unk> onto the website which is w._w._w.. Shopper Fe Dot Co Dot U._K.. But better than that if you want to email sales out Michelle within or INFO at Geography Dot Dot U. K. Right you get myself who who will pick your emails a quick quick swiftly or you can de animate <hes> on my social media so instagram is locks extensions or Michelle Griffin signed this facebook. We've got geography in again excisions again vice look son in the way you can contact me. Excuse not to find you so that's everything about the lock sparks so funded ooh that so again listeners that were if you didn't catch that don't have to rewind to re one. We're not took Tai Cassette here but you don't have to go back. I'll put them all in the show knows the company's this wonderful compensation and Tom we have with Michelle so brilliant and that's who takes and now we're GONNA go onto. You're going to be out to relax now Michelle. This is my last five crimes. I've expenditure but you're not gonNA go yeah. I'm not letting go must is yet no veto. I'm having to time. I'm not GonNa let you got but this is. I want this part of the show is where we get to know you guys away from the hair industry and I love the as air just fun all right so they are not my last five questions. Russians have nothing whatsoever to do with a K.. I question one away from work. How do you best like to spend your time with friends? I know of eating and drinking and just being with my friends and belly laughing Arbat. You're good social company. I'll get feeling view. I question question to what's the one song that makes you jump up and hit the dance floor. Oh my God is so many scaring Hainan here so I missed you just ambush. Oh Sing. They're putting these onto our instagram stories easy songs by the way she gets so if you want to hear that song check out how to cook on Instagram. I'll story that song on there for you. What would you do in last Sunday lesson guy? I was as the aimed at Dubrovnik go you this day gone on this day before whichever will decide when Tigon now. I just arrived home Sunday before I just arrived. Appropriate was a Qatar beautiful city amazing lovely shower Malcolm for a birthday and has an amazing time amazing. She listeners is what you can get if you get really good at hair extensions just off on a Sunday right question. What was the last big treat you gave to yourself <hes>? I'm not good at this nice to be honest. Trees are probably the biggest. I'll give you a help on some people have even set a pepperoni pizza probably probably shoes because I love shoes. I have just off he come to pass of jury tall to repair shoes. I and my final question the show is tell us one moving the we really need to know about you. Won't they needs morphing that we really need to know about you. Look the way yeah I I love talking talking to pay for people I love getting. No people and I looked at off right. What a a wonderful? What are what to grab? We've had a lovely to kitty you. I have to say really feel your energy but it has been a lovely Thomas show. I've got us. I've really enjoyed this and learning. I hope our listeners are going to take him a thank. You thank you so much coming onto this. That's thank you really enjoyed it and for anybody at this thinking about contacting you do ace absolutely right side. Thank you you then to Michelle for coming onto today's Tateed Parkas and I think so the great takeaway points from this for me. Today was the process and the ease of actually using these Harris sanctions lakeside have come such a long way Hi and if maybe this is saying that you'll excited by really floats you'll boat then you can make a great niche for yourself in your area of becoming a hair extensions expert and that guide that she gave us really really I honestly you can get anything better into your ears. When you want to know more about this niche in hairdressing now if you want to go and check any of the points that we discussed in today's episode as well as those links Michelle mentioned then we have prepared some shows for you and he's very easy to find his or you need to go online to W._w.? Dot how to cut dot it slash EP one one free now next Monday. We have a huge guests coming onto the show because we are going to be joined by Gerard Scope Acey Najera Scope A._C.. Is the CO founder of the world's biggest head community out there harebrained and I'm so honored to have Jira coming onto the show. 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EO Products: Susan Griffin-Black & Brad Black

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Presents DOT ORG and I hope to see you there so the meeting that we went to with the new buyer fire the first meeting with the first meeting. I think I was nursing. I remember being in that room having a baby and just presenting this woman was I don't know in her late twenties and she was not responding bonding to anything that we were saying in a positive manner so it was a hard meeting and without them. We were sunk from N._p._R.. It's how I built this a show of innovators entrepreneurs idealists and the stories behind the movements they built. I'm Guy Roz and on the show today how a chance whiff of lavender inspired fired Susan Griffin black to launch line of essential oils and then bro that idea into your products one of the most successful independently owned natural body care companies. There's a word that gets thrown out a lot by venture capitalists and rich folks who invest in startups and that word is scale. If you've ever tried to raise money for a business you probably found yourself seated he did across the table from someone who asked Haganah scale this thing and what that investor was really asking. Was Hey going to grow your company into a billion dollar ventures so I can get one hundred x return on my money scale it means big prophets for investors but it can also mean growth as the only goal that really matters but some entrepreneurs are more interested in slow sustainable growth model which is why they avoid venture capital. I think Yvonne Shinoda Patagonia or Tibbett of Tofurkey or Kim Jordan of new Belgium brewery all of those companies are independently owned beholden to neither shareholders nor venture capitalists same anything with company whose story you are about to here because e O products is in a way the opposite of scale brandon. Susan Griffin Black have never taken any venture money and they never had much money of their on so the story of e Jio products is a story of a slow burn nearly thirty years of building up a brand one product at a time fighting for every store and eventually and sustainably growing into one of the most recognized natural body body care brands in the U._S.. Today the company does about fifty million dollars revenue year thirty years ago when she started the company. Susan Griffin black was a single mom raising her son in San Francisco but that's not the most most amazing thing about this story. The company itself was barely scraping by for its first fifteen years and once it actually started to take off it could have unraveled because the co-founders split up their marriage collapsed ops but we'll get there for now. Let's start in the years before Brad and Susan Matt in the late nineteen eighties. They were both living in San Francisco Brad just moved there from the east coast after leaving a job in computer or sales. My initial motivation was to move to Australia yet. This pre Internet and I didn't know anyone in Australia so I had a couple friends in San Francisco and you know I sold everything I I had like two or three thousand dollars in the bank account and moved in with one of them who was on Haight Street and what did you do. We started a clothing company called Maniac and maniac is spelled as in the state of Maine Right Ama. Eh I N E hyphen I._A._C. and you know we held the space of kind of like rock climbing and mountain biking. This was the time eighty eight late eighties where the whole active wear thing came alive <hes> Stasi Maasim Oh and so it's active wear and then that tied into our lifestyle so then we would mountain bike and we would rock climb during the day and run the business and then we would go out and party at night all the time wearing our clothes which like who doesn't want to show off what they do and if you make your own clothes and we made our own clothes and we would so our own clothes I mean you know much of it via ignorance and like I was the business doing will business was kind of secondary to lifestyle. We were living at large you know entrepreneurs in San Francisco and this is before worthy dot com Internet thing hit and it was very vibrant a little gritty yet artistic and we could really own it and you know we would pedal are wears and we sold to Nordstrom and we sold to the hardcore rock climbing shops yet. We didn't really ever make money and when we had the opportunity to make money we just never. I don't know if we were mature enough or that. We saw the opportunity that was in front of us yet. We didn't make money and Susan around this time. I guess <hes> you also had a click clothing store. In San Francisco Yeah <hes> it was a great little store and we got written coming up in the chronicle probably within the first couple of weeks and so that gave us a great start and he you know we're part of the local design community and it was really vibrant time and at that time time you're married to someone else to a lawyer named bill yeah you know we were. I think we are in an apartment by that time. In the marina he passes the bar and goes to work for Laura. Big Law Firm and things were more much cushier. Eventually we went from the Marina to very nice building in Pacific Heights. He was working really hard. I had a store on Sutter Street. Mark was born. My son was born in one thousand nine hundred eighty six and <hes> all looked very good. It didn't feel very good to me but it looked good. Why didn't feel good who is wrong? I don't know I I guess I had fallen into but was considered at the time the Yuppie life I'm I'm a free spirit and I really liked the whole art scene which wasn't really doing being much of any more and all of sudden. It was like waking up one day and feeling like I was at the wrong party like I didn't really know or really relate to the people who were there and uh-huh this like a dorm in a kid an a French nanny and it all look good and it just started to feel fragmented. My conversations nations are conversations were pretty stilted and got very tense because I really felt like bill had sold out and he was sort of on the wrong side of things and I just felt like it just wasn't my life and I couldn't make my life so when mark was two and a half we split you wouldn't build split <hes> so you've left behind the nanny the doorman and Pacific Heights the fancy fancy apartment and and you left that behind yet much to my mother's dismay as it can imagine so so what about Your Business I mean did you continue to run your business. I did for a short amount of time and and I sold that to my partner at the time for twelve thousand dollars so you're now single mom and what it what was your plan. What did you think you've wanted to to do well I? I wasn't stressed financially financially. I took a job because I could see that I would get stressed financially so I ended up doing some consulting for friends in the clothing business and helped a few friends start their companies and in ninety. I took a job at a spree working for the late Doug Tompkins. Oh Yeah I mean a legendary guy. I think he was one of the founders of north face. Yes originally Levi's spree was a huge brand definitely in the eighties nineties still today yeah all right so this is like <hes> the early ninety s both of you <hes> Brad answers. Both you are in San Francisco. Both of you are working attorney apparel business. I guess at one point Susan <hes> you had to go into maniac into interbred store and is that were for the two of you yeah it was their warehouse actually and all of the products were there air and I remember Brad Nice show cans. He was cute. He was smart. I liked him right away. He's like seemed like a good guy. It was really resonance right off the Bat and after Susan Susan left I got her business card and this was June of nineteen eighty eight. I wrote her dear. Susan thank you for your time and we just connected and we kinda stayed touch. She would help us a little bit or I would help her. We were really struggling entrepreneurs and we were able early on to engage with each other like she always got me and I always got her and and even now you know I mean it's like it's been thirty years and she can start a sentence almost and I can finish it but it really started that way. In many respects wchs you guys right away were attracted to each other <hes> but you guys were not dating at that point. You were just hanging out. We have a friend your friend yeah. We were friends all right. So you guys start meeting up Susan. You're working at a spree this company that really was just like crushing it. In the eighties nineties I remember every born wearing a by their benetton sweat shirt and a spree sweatshirt. Oh yes and <hes> also at the time you know during that time Doug was <hes> very interested in transforming the company into a more sustainable environmental company and looking at all the processes that were involved in manufacturing and at that time there were just so many incredible people coming through whether it was you know David Brower the environmentalist or vansh ignored or Anita Roddick from the body shop. I mean it was a portal for me in to really thinking being about and looking at sustainability and so I had met Anita Roddick from the body shop and she was opening franchises in northern California and and I loved her but I wasn't totally crazy about the products. I've always been a product person. I feel like you know I've been ahead of it and trust my instincts. I think eventually anyway so when I see something that I like even if it's like a little bit off as soon as people learn about it and understand it. They'll like it too and I guess this all begins to come together for you. When when a spree since you to London <hes> to go by Steph than like a like on buying trip a is that is that right well? Yes you know we would go to trade shows fabric trade shows it was the way to serve interpret street fashion and and up and coming trends yeah and so I was in London on a buying trip and I was sort of running through the covent garden area and I ran into this little store and ice was just taken by what it smelled like in their Moore's the store it was called Neal's yard remedy cheese shop yeah right next to Neal's yard dairy yet right yeah so upstairs you could see an herbalist or an acupuncturist or a homeopath and then you would come downstairs and get your prescriptions descriptions filled in this little apothecary and so the reason that it smelled the way it smelled was because of the essential oils and the herbs that they stocked so I picked up this little bottle of lavender essential oil and in have and everything changed like I I knew what I wanted to do with my my life you know the body shop sort of helped me pay attention to that segment of product in the market and then this was like oh no this is it's the product wow this must have been like totally mind-blowing rate is essential oil still Kinda Hippie dippy right. It's not this is not mainstream. No no it was very hippy. dippy yeah and you go in there and this was like nothing then you would seem before you had an unknown about essential oils around that time there were all those awful candle stores and all sorts of stores that you would go in and it would have a really synthetic clawing smell as did a lot of perfume most perfume right someone would get on that elevator and be like Oh lord you know this was like being in a beautiful garden I mean it reminded me of great parts of my childhood childhood dislike being in my at my grandma's watering tomatoes the smell of lilacs it was real and it was very different so you're in that store and what you're there and you're thinking I figure <hes> do something with this like this is what i WanNa do yeah you know I hadn't sort of lived that lifestyle so I think <hes> searching really for what made sense and what was real and what had heartened meaning. Meaning for me and so that just opened up a new path and something new to learn and was very passionate about it so so like what did you do at that point contact the founder and say <hes> Hey I wanna I wanna work with you or like beer distributor or sell this in the U._S.. Is that what happened yes and <hes> she wouldn't talk to me until I worked in the store so we worked in the store for three days. In what was her name Romi Frazier and she said <hes> you have to work in the store it before we talk. She said if you're interested you know I mean the retails the heart of what we're doing so I was you know mixing herbal tinctures in backroom and doing all sorts of things and I loved it and then we met after and basically <hes> the idea was to open retail stores like that in the U._S. and you sit Romi. I WanNa be your person doing this in the U._S.. Yes and let let me just just added care. I mean obviously you are super talented super smart and driven but like you had no money you had no access to like immediate capital. You would know track doc record selling essential in the U._S.. Why would she even consider working with you? Well you know she also was a small company. I think at the time they had a couple of stores she could see how sincere interested I was and also from being in the clothing business I did have relationships with buyers and you know merchandise managers and owners of specialty stores so her head some access to new understanding distribution. So what did she say to you. She said yeah go back to the U._S.. And let's do this or what well essentially I tried to. <hes> put a plan together for retail stores and <hes> <hes> I could see that that would never work because you needed people who were very well versed in all of these alternative modalities in aromatherapy and homeopathy and I was running out of money so I thought the best to wholesale and see who's interested who wants it and then I could have them pay for half of the order I could import the product which I did in my garage and Protrero Hill and then have the retailers who wanted it pay half up front and then I delivered and get the rest of the money so that's what I did all right so you go back in San Francisco and by this time like Nineteen ninety-two you've got a five five year old kid and are you and Brad dating yet or not yet. We weren't really dating. I think we were still good friends. I think Brad had a girlfriend and we would spend more time together because he was. I was in the neighborhood and I was working out of my garage and then he would write his bike open the garage door and I had a little teeny office in there he would help with business plans and we would commiserate about he was he was still in the clothing business thing. You're essentially trying to make this import business of essential oils work and Brad. Do you remember like what what did you think about this idea. Did you think Oh this is a no brainer over. You just like one help on help choosing because I like her. It didn't happen that quickly. Susan had no money and I had less what really I think sustained the relationship and made it exciting is that it was never or no brainer and it's still isn't after thirty years but I was full on in my clothing company and we wanted to help out each other and had it work with Romi frazier and Neal's yard. Did you have to pay hey <unk> her up front and then she would ship you the oils or was it like a partnership where she just shifted to. You didn't charge you off the bat like how does that work. We had net thirty terms thirty days yet. I think maybe in the beginning it was sixty so she was basically selling you. The oils at at cost or a little bit above cost you were then marking up a little bit and and that was it so it was really was like a distributor relationship you weren't you weren't like an equity partner with with her. No it was it was a separate entity and finances were completely separate. So how are you keeping this afloat. I mean you had to pay Neal's yard and thirty days how remaking that work her well I am I raised a little bit of money from friends and family so we'd have a little bit of a cushion and also be able to increase inventory and our accounts and eventually he had to get a space in the same building where Brad's company was in San Francisco. Yes yeah and so you running out of there and bread where you helping us well going to the what was happening on. My side of things is that we decided to shut the business down Maniac Mania <hes> and then that Kinda opened up a pocket for me. Well you know what am I going to do and where we dating at that time probably ugly yes and I had two or three opportunities. One was I was going to open up a bungee jumping site in downtown San Francisco and right and another opportunity was working for a sock company out of Japan and the third was working with Susan and and so our relationship started to develop and they're just were opportunities and we were good together and so that's that's how our relationship blossom yeah we were selling Neal's yard and we had that we were making a few products for Neal's yard because it was we wanted to learn how to make stuff right so we would make bath salts and anything that you could cold mix and then pour you were making it a garage in San Francisco or you were outsourcing to someone else well in the warehouse that we rented. We had a small lab there and we were making a few you and other people or you buy yourself. I had to employees voice and a part-time bookkeeper 'cause we had several accounts by then until sure so we were learning how to make things by hand and I knew someone introduced me to the marketing person at Birkenstock and she said why don't we do a little foot care kit like gift with purchase of like a little foot foot salt and a little foot soak and so we did a prototype and she gave us in order for thirty two thousand dollars. It was three three twenty for each gift box which meant I had to make ten thousand wow and then Brad came down the hall and I'm like how are we going to do. Ten thousand was like such the I love Lucy show when walked into her warehouse and <hes> you know of course I saw the numbers as well and I didn't know anything about essential oils really liked how they smelled. I didn't know how to really make anything yet. I can kind of figure out most the things you know maniac. We made our own products in so I learned how to so and you know learning. These things from a mechanical aspect was pretty straightforward for me in terms of like okay well. This is just what you do. That's just put them together. Let's make these ten thousand kids yeah. He said we're not gonNA phillies by hand. We're GONNA you know Jerry Rig this lady gravity feed and then we'll fill the bottles that way and he had made gravity feed. Can you describe what did that looked like. Was it like a giant funnel that you would just pour the salts in you know really what we did. Is We started from hand pouring in two bottles to adding equipment and you know gravity feed is one of the ways but yeah it's really taking it from the funnel and moving to a machine and then instead of one minute you have the ability to do eighty minute or ten miniter fifty minute and that was presumably a game changer for you. We never would have been able to to fill that order now just like sprinkling it with little shovel. I guess a little scoop that would work yeah go slow that wouldn't work now just out of curiosity today if you want to figure out how to make you know bath salts or things like that just go online right yeah <hes> in in nineteen ninety three ninety four when you're doing this. Had you figure out how to make this stuff like do you buy a bunch of salt and ask essential oils to it well. We we did learn a lot from <hes> Neal's yard because they were small manufacturers so we could suss out the processes. I was very interested in studied aromatherapy with a bunch of different people so I understood the properties as of essential oils and the blending essential oils which I've I understood how to do that. If you go online right now you can see where the at home person can create sort of the easier things and that's what we stuck to so we made bath salts made lip bombs. We made massage oil. So how are you getting the oils in nineteen ninety-five where were you. Were you finding them. Well through various distributors that we had started working with we learned a lot about essential oils and distribution also from Neal's yard and from taking aromatherapy classes and then you would ask around you know and then I don't have a lavender. This person has a lavender or hey. I need an orange whereas orange grown art. It's grown in Florida so then you would go through the yellow pages right and essential oils actually aren't oil. They're called essential oils because it's heavier than and water so when you talk about lavender lavender grows many places but the best lavender is from France and you know there's a certain tastes level just like with food and wine about you know what smells smells best. What's the best quality? Can you source that. Can you make that a consistent part of a formulation because essential oils are finicky. You know the reason that people stopped using them and went to synthetic fragrance. It's you know was because it was way less expensive shirt and it was consistent and was the oil like being delivered to your little. I Dunno warehouse the Hugo's running like intend drums over in unlike glass jars orange a giant bags of oil like how did it come to you right glass and aluminum bottles and there were some local distributors as well that even though they charged a lot we had access to it. Susan your beer basically running this little company that is trying to make a go out it with essential oils. <hes> how how are you guys doing financially. Were you was a sustainable <hes> Um yes and no I mean sustainable as in raised a little money we could pay the rent <hes> but you weren't making a ton of money. Oh No no no no we were scraping but right. Along with that stress was the question of what else would I be doing. You know there was always like yes. You're stressed and okay. What do you want to do about it? You WanNa get a job. No do you want to do something else no and then it would sort of you've just settle into this is what we're doing you are because you are basically the distributor for Neal's yard right yes and doing that alone was not going to be enough just selling neal's V._R.. It wasn't and it was because you know we were importing so we were basically schlepping glass bottles halfway around the world and then reshipping them to other stores and we got it up to a certain and level of sales. I think it was <hes> half a million in the U._S.. But we could still see how we could do it ourselves and do it for less money because you know all of that shipping and do it our own way yeah so we we gave them six months to find a different distributor gave Neal's yard six months. You figured we got to do this on our own. Now yes well. I think one of the early on indicators for a C. around at that time essentials and higher end personal care bath care products started to take off in a gift market right and Susan had created an access point to a lot of retailers or folks at wanted us to make the products for them and there was some demand because there just weren't that many companies that made essential oil based and more natural bodycare products so who just curiosity who was buying essential oils at the time in the early nineties and mid-nineties 'cause people would put it. I guess you could rub it behind your neck or you could use it. <hes> you know as aromatherapy or use it in a in a bath like what who your customers so <hes> in nineteen ninety five bloomingdale's called and said we you you make us for essential oil blends for our our holiday catalog. That's a big deal. I know he said sure and we had to think of a name for the company then and these were very small bottles so we didn't have a lot of room on the label and aromatherapy just seemed like way too long of a word so he just came up with the initials Ito and then we did for blends for Bloomingdale's and that started the company okay so nineteen ninety-five if you guys decide to launch owned company and you called E. O. products which stands for essential oils s pretty simple right yes okay and how significant was that order was like hundreds of thousands millions of dollars. What what do you remember about it? It was I think fifteen thousand dollars okay so it was pretty small yeah but we still had to fill a lot of bottles in a relatively short amount of time and come up with the formulations and then it was sort like okay now what yeah and again nineteen ninety-five is so many things are so easy now you can just get shot defied. Put Your web store online. You can easily find a company online that will make labels for you. They will even do fulfillment filming and shipping. How for example did you like to slap labels on these little bottles and they had to look nice because it's Bloomingdale's you cannot mess around? How did you do that for example? You know were very good at doing. Her we would just figure it out and our taste levels have always been high and <hes> when you looked at products and more natural products and natural food stores everything had a leaf on or flower are you're really bad type and not very nice colors so we just went very minimal and chose a beautiful typeface which was <hes> Daito which is a similar type face to Vogue Doug actually as it turns out and the products had to smell exceptional and then they also had to perform which was a little bit of a hurdle and our idea was it if we're using these expensive tive very beautiful essential oils. Were not going to ruin it with harsh chemicals Dan so there was a high bar that we set right off the bat and I guess so this point Brad you. You're working with Susan. You are two feet in after a couple years of dating and working closely you you really are in love and you guys get married in nineteen ninety-five in the middle in the midst of all this right Oh yeah we were gravity feeding and and get down the getting married by the way headed the dislike line of essential oil sell at Bloomingdale's due to crush it do they sell out it crushed it but but crushing it from the other side I think they ordered once and that was it however it was a springboard spring brook and just just to add something here nineteen ninety-six Susan. You had a ten year old. You guys were married and you just had another baby. You guys had your first child together Lucy so you're a ten year old a newborn baby. You're launching business to get together. was that crazy. Was it just like insane. <hes> yes yeah yeah it was and the financial pressure was there was a lot of financial pressure because just you weren't selling as much as you you wanted to sell you know we did not have we didn't have money really for the first fifteen eighteen years. It's come up a lot in this conversation yet. It didn't really come up much other than you know. I want to swear a little bit here. Guess why won't it was a struggle in so we we loved what we were doing. Yeah and we're very scrappy yeah and we just made it work and that was that was really the reality of it. All were you guys interested in becoming rich. I mean was was that important to you to make a lot of money was that not even top of my pianist with me was part of you thinking. I gotTa make this work make a lot of money. Here's something that I kind of learned from my early thirties when I lived in Pacific Heights as that money is not the thing and I knew a lot of really rich unhappy people and I know that money in and of itself for me wasn't the key motivator later and I already knew that that was not like my path to happiness however paying our rent was important and our bills and surviving a little bit past survival was important because otherwise it was a lot of pressure so the question wasn't when are we going to get rich. The question was when are we gonNA make payroll when we come back in just a moment Susan and Brad navigate negate the stress of growing a business and how that stress to toll on their marriage stay with us. I'm Gyros and you're listening to how I built this from N._p._R.. Hey everyone just a quick thanks to two of our sponsors who helped make this podcast possible. 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It's good product you would just call up and just the two of you do this or local friends would go into the whole foods and C.. E. O. Yeah roll the local wholefoods asking but did that. Just sounds like a totally like transparently obvious campaign like didn't they know that you guys were doing this. Well you know we had a lot of friends in school and then we had people who wrote notes on the Community Bulletin Board you know asking do you have your products yeah or why why don't you carrying your products and they finally they finally started carrying our products and then one whole foods led to the next so I think maybe the buyer changed it whole foods and you know it was very sort of <hes> buyer centric if they like do and they wanted to carry you that was their decision and that's how wholefoods ran yeah all right so nineteen ninety-seven you get into whole foods kind of a big deal. All seems like you guys are really turned the corner but I guess like later that year or or around that time like your biggest account which was Mervyn's they kinda were like a we think we're gonNA stop buying from you. What is that is that true? Is that what happened. What a nightmare that was I know but <hes> the buyer changed so the buyer that new US and loved us left and there was a new buyer who didn't really like aromatherapy and didn't really like essential oils? Susan Tell Guy about that meeting that we went to with Lucy so the meeting that we went to with the new buyer the first meeting freight with the first meaning. I think I was nursing Lucy. I remember being in that broom presenting having a baby this woman was I don't know in late twenties and she was not responding to anything that we were saying in a positive manner and without them we were sunk so it was a hard meeting I mean when you say you were sunk. You Lose Mervyn's. You lose this account. What does any how close for you to the business just like crumbling? You know that's not such a big deal because you know we were on the brink of crumbling for many many years well no. I think that this was a close one. This was a this was. Should I get a job. Should one of us get a job to just smooth out. Whatever are coming? You know I mean our accountant was like no you know he did he did advise us to maybe fold and get a job your accountant after this Mervyn's things said maybe you guys should just like call it a day. That's when your account is telling you that the person who knows your finances better than anyone else that's really bad. It was bad but we didn't think about quitting. We just thought about how we ever GonNa get through this to get to the other side so what happened. was there anything that happened. That kind of three will lifeline yes. We got a sixty five thousand dollar order from T._J.. Maxx Bam just out of the blue <hes> well they came to our place of business and at that time we had a three thousand square-foot <hes> space and they came to visit and they just couldn't really believe that we were manufacturing everything there it was you know time three thousand square feet right yeah and they still gave us in order all right so you kind of get a lifeline from T._J.. Max Thank You T._J.. Max Thank You T._J.. And and you're in whole foods you to walk into a whole foods in two thousand and you saw a couple of e o products available like when people walk into grocery stores and they see like a product available. I think most people assume Oh that's a big company or you know. The people involved company must be doing really well in one thousand nine hundred nine two thousand. Were you able to pay yourselves really good salaries no no but we were able to buy I a small private label manufacturer like a factory yeah they had one thousand gallon tank and a couple of other tanks and forklifts and everything you know was <music> setup and ready to go. This was a private label that was making soaps and beauty supplies. Yes for other companies not organic necessarily know and it was pretty rundown. And how much did you guys pay for it. <hes> two hundred guten fifty thousand. How did you have the money for that we didn't but there was a very progressive small bank our accountant new those guys and they ended up lending us the money wow so at this point you have the factory how many products around two thousand and how many products different products were you making good? It's eight thirty five wow so like so sin hand soaps and shower gels and shampoos impose and when when what else in conditioner bubble bath lotion maybe lip balm so that's a big product line and you guys just working like crazy. Was it like all the time yeah so so the way that it was working for. I don't know maybe it was years is that I would get up at the crack of Don and get to work between five and six and Susan would take your the kids in the home in the morning and she would come in nine or ten and then I would pick up you know three or four and Susan would stay until six or seven and that's really what the routine was and see. We're still pretty small right amount. I think in like two thousand two thousand two. She doesn't three four like you probably doing. What a million dollars two million dollars in grow sales two thousand two yeah to baby? Yes and you never really raised massive amounts of money you always you always kind of hundred thousand two three four hundred thousand there. I think a million dollars at one point but you never went for like series as here. He's be seriously no I mean first of all you know we've had companies on the show Oh that you have to see and <hes> because they want to scale fast and they WANNA be I out the gate and they they need the money to really grow fast and I have to assume then and maybe even now you could pretty easily get that money was a reason why oh you did Mardi that yes because everything I saw and that we saw of companies that took private equity money and especially if they sold the majority they didn't have control anymore and I we always joked that the first thing they would you do as take that rose essential oil that costs eight hundred fifty dollars a kilo that we use very very sparingly but very beautifully and they would take that out right away and you know we've watched the consolidation in personal care and a natural personal care over the years and that's been a consistent thing of changing the products slightly or not really taking care of the brand and its original intention and there were a lot unhappy people and not a lot of success stories all right so you guys have this really cool business. You started together. You're raising two kids. <hes> you're growing at thirty five products. Yeah you're still small mall but you can see where this is heading. And how did you guys do as a couple how're you. How was your relationship going yeah? It was very tough. You've been married raising kids. Being under financial pressure that takes a lot and it's we sort of we lost our way we lost our way but and we really cared about each other. Did you go oh to counseling sure yes and it was helpful at times and I think it was definitely helpful long-term because we can still refer back to how to work things out and. And how to smooth out our differences we also I think individually did a lot of personal work and you got to a place where we couldn't make it work and so we we separated and then divorced. I think people are hearing that are kind of just be shocked. You guys are sitting there together talking so wonderfully and fondly about each other and you're divorced two thousand seven. You guys a split up you divorce yeah. I've never heard of the story like this. My Life not only are you business. I guess so so you you divorce and you guys decide what you say. A this business is going well. Let's keep it going is that is that what happened. I think we decided there's no reason to like you know. Take down the house. Yeah I mean our personal relationship. It wasn't thriving our business. His our kids are so what is the best way you know and we understood our options. We could have sold. We could've with but each other out we could. We had option yeah so I mean this was a very conscious choice. It's remarkably adult and mature decision like it speaks to the people both of you are. I'm just wondering like what the people in the office feel like. What was the atmosphere was a tense where people like this is weird? I what did you employs respond well. The first two years were were tough and certainly you know the first for six months where the hardest and absolutely they said that and yet for me. It just never got that bad like there was a lot of demand on me to make that bad beate family or culture or what have you. Oh my gosh. You've got divorced. It's this is the path that you go down yet. If all you're doing is you're looking to get through this day as best you can. It does shift the perspective a little bit the other thing I I think that's important is that there was no no other person involved so he didn't have to navigate that sorta right trail so I think that because because we were parents that it didn't alter life daily life that much you you're officially divorced and presumably the it's still it's not easy but the business really starts to take off. I guess around this time Walgreens and C._V._S. and Walmart start to express interest in carrying your products and like what what explains that the timing mining. I think that the timing really was on our side that we were kind of met because we're always ahead of the curve yeah <hes> we were on you know sort of a parallel pass that with all the natural food stores whole foods was growing had really hefty clip that was such natural venue for us because people were buying into the same beliefs about health and wellbeing yeah when you started to get into places like walgreens and Walmart and in target what does that mean for our just like 'cause you meet the demand I mean even with your small little place well that that really didn't happen in in a big way until we launched our second brand hand everyone and that was in twenty twelve and that was sort of a more consumer less expensive everyday products like shampoo and right and shower gel and yet it was a larger larger format product and <hes> our sons in abandoned the band came home and they had all these really awful products in the bathroom when I went in and I was like have we taught you nothing like you know what are these products products and they'd be like IOS too expensive and we need we need big soap and and then at the same time Brad was hearing from a lot of whole foods buyers that we you know we needed a large size value sort of proposition proposition so we we started a second line called everyone and that really <hes> just took off and how are you making it less expensive because you're buying expensive ingredients. How are you able to make a more budget shit friendly product we use many of the same ingredients however instead of using a rose essential oils? We may keep it to citrus or instead of putting in a lot of extracts which are expensive is well. We would you know do a much smaller amount so we simplified formulas in addition. Our margin is less over the years. You've you've raised fairy little money so most of this company you guys on right yeah. Yes I have to imagine that certainly last few years Hubin approached by all kinds of big bigger companies who want to buy you yeah and you said not not interested right now. Is there a reason why you wouldn't want to do that. You know the idea wasn't to cash out the idea was to build a company that we wanted to work for that provided opportunity community for as many people as possible you know the other part of this is the business is part of our life right it never was separate and so you can look at the success of the business business and you can also look at the success of our relationship our our family yes so it really has enabled us the business to live to our highest potential right like life visit pretty good to to both of you are both of you in new relationships today I am and have been for the past <hes> five years yes no Bradley still looking and and and but but like I it sounds else can still consider yourself to be really close. Maybe like almost best frats we are. Yes yeah it's it almost it almost takes things <hes> to hold different level. You know you have really special relationships with your siblings brothers and sisters and you also have some close friends and <hes> and I think that we've kind of taken some of those concepts and put them on steroids a little bit. I mean imagine choosing to engage on a daily basis with the person you divorced knowing all all of the good things and all of the bad things and still choosing to be together. It's a wonderful <hes> experience yeah and we we doesn't mean we get along all the time so it's not that we don't get into fights but we do tend to get out of fights pretty quickly when asked the same question Susan I to you. What do you think it is about Brad that enabled this torque like what is it about him that that allowed you guys to stay friends and business partners and to work through the pain pain and stuff like what do you think he has <hes> a brilliant capacity to be irreverent and kind and open and <hes> and stubborn and with all of these qualities qualities? We've always come out aligned on what's most important Brad what what is it about Susan that allowed for this to to happen her perspective <hes> her capacity not to have compassion and there was a there was a a guy that came into our office the other day and there was someone sick and his family and the way that she addressed him and engaged with him he was met it was it was beautiful and to be able to be this close with someone and not be involved romantically. It gives me such a great opportunity to be a better person but do you. What are you attribute your success to success of this business to all the hard work you put into it in the blood sweat and tears or or your intelligence or just or luck well Susan? You'RE GONNA laugh. <hes> we do say this. We're not not such great business. People will really great not going out of business people. We haven't had the luxury to go out of business not to make it work. There's never been a choice not to be successful not to make it work to`sign Susan about you. We've been really privileged to be able to live our lives and meet that in our work with shared values. It's exceptional now and it's a beacon to show that it's very possible if we can do it you know you can do that. Susan Griffin Black and Brad Black founders and C._E._O.'s of your products. The company now employs more than one hundred forty people at their headquarters in San Rafael California which by the way used to be a special effect studio owned by George. Lucas even filmed a few scenes for star wars inside today. The company turns out out more than fifty products including signature lavender oil Susan recommends a few drops of it in the bath before bedtime for restful sleep. Please do stick around because in just a moment we're going to hear from you about the things your building but first a quick message from one of our sponsors male Jim so you WanNa grow your business now. What male chimps all in one marketing platform? That's what got it has all the marketing stuff. You need to grow all in one place. LEARN MORE AT MALE CHIMP DOT COM building. A good relationship with your doctor can be really hard especially when it feels like you have such a short amount of time with them. I don't know what it is about walking into the doctor's office but it's incredibly easy to forget half of what you wanted to tell the doctor chick out in pure life gets new guide on navigating doctor-patient relationships or subscribe to life kid all guys for Oliver episodes all in one place tate. Thanks for sticking around because it's time now for how you built that today our story starts in the cold northern waters of Juneau Alaska where surrounded by the ocean on one inside and then on the other side were surrounded by Icefield and huge mountains. This is Leah Hi fits and for years she and her partner Matt would get into an aluminum skiff and go fishing out in the Pacific. We'd be trolling for Salmon Amen or maybe we'd be fishing halibut and the fish weren't biting that day and rather than go home empty-handed we would stop at a kelp bed a bed of bull kelp to be exact. It's kind of twisty Brown Brown's seaweed that sorta looks like a bull whip so he'd fill up of five gallon bucket full of Kelp and able to bring some bounty home and Leah describes bulk help as bounty because it is totally edible bite into it raw and it fantastic consistency of a bell pepper it salty and crunchy and has a deep who mommy based flavor or a safely based flavor that makes everything in it tastes more like itself. That's what mommy does it turns out old kelp can also be pickled or cooked into salsa so whenever Leeann mad brought one of those five gallon buckets home <hes> call up some friends <hes> grab some other ingredients so we would sometimes make a green salsa that had tomatoes. He's made a Friday of other sauces that had tomatoes onions along with the Kelp. Leeann met discovered a few years ago is that Kelp was actually getting some attention among foodies so on a national scale <hes> there's a lot of whispers in two twenty sixteen about being the new jail like other types of seaweed kelp is full of nutrition and it can be made into all kinds of things like pasta and Jerky even butter so anyway up in Juneau Leeann Matt started to sell their bulk help salsa and pickles at farmers markets and people kind of took to it selling it locally wasn't a huge jump the consumers in Alaska a lot of them are familiar with it as a food as the slowly tried to expand their products south of Alaska. It was a tougher cell. It has taken some more education and <hes> a lot of demoing so people have the opportunity to try it and it makes sense to use salsa as kind of a gateway to get more people to eat help and I can report that some people on our team tried this also and they say it tastes pretty good with just a slight after taste of the ocean anyway soon after they launched Leeann Matt One forty least thousand dollars in a startup competition and use that money to get their products into some regional grocery stores on the West Coast but doing all of this from Juno Alaska. It's pretty top. We're not on the road system we are surrounded by the ocean in and mountains and that requires some real innovation when it comes to logistics which means when they want to get their salsa and pickles health of Juneau usually involves a barge <hes> sometimes the ferry and then <hes> chocking once it hits the road system were airfreight so that's been pretty immense challenge but since they went into business three years ago Matt and there are other partner had been able to steadily grow the business they're now harvesting canning and cooking bulkheads full-time they sell it online and in about one hundred fifty stores and guess what last year they made three hundred and fifty thousand dollars in Revenue Selling Bull Kelp sometimes sometimes I think I'm sick of it but once I craft one of those jars open and eat it which is almost daily <hes> it tastes so good so no. I'm not sick of Kelp. She and her two partners Matt at the Max are the founders of Barnacle Foods. 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Why Aged Care Will Integrate Wellness Better Than Hotels #773

Inside the Spa Business | Spa

02:05 min | 7 months ago

Why Aged Care Will Integrate Wellness Better Than Hotels #773

"Here's why the aged industry will ultimately integrate wellness much better than hotels. Take back in the store him again and now I am not picking up a suitcase for another trip. I'm actually just clean up to be honest. Next trip is next weekend and actually to London next weekend but buddy on lengthy Nicole. Hagerstown hug plantation. Right Nicole she sent me an article by Nancy Griffin and I'll put a link to that article in the comments below and the article was basically talking about how the aged care industry is turning the hospitality and wellness to learn how to improve their offering and the interesting perspective to me. Is that right now. It's the aged care industry that seems to be learning from hospitality. But I believe it won't be too long at all before. Hotels will start to turn to age care to learn how they have been integrating wellness because they are going to end up doing much better. I think the more hotels are going to do. And the reason for that is very simple because wellness in an age care environment is a need whereas wellness in a hotel environment is still want and so it's really a core part of the offering inside an age care environment whereas in a hotel and so whilst right now the learning seems to be going from hospitality individ-. I think before too much longer it will be the hotels that need to look to age care to learn how to do it. And so if you're a smart hotel person what I wouldn't be doing right now if you wanna see the how integrate wellness into your hotel is to start having a look at the leading edge care providers and see what they're doing because they're the ones that I believe are going to lead the way on integrating wellness into a hospitality type environment interesting conversation. What are you reading like to hear your thoughts on this one. In the comments below the link to the article by Nancy Griffin is in the article below. Thanks again a call for sending it onto me. That is it for today. I will be back again tomorrow. In the meantime do thank you for your time so you just watch me.

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Blake Griffin

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

2:13:49 hr | 1 year ago

Blake Griffin

"You walk yeah. You made it weird with the homes. Look what's happening. Where does this is blake. Griffin who somebody somebody explain to me that he plays he plays basketball. I know blake as a as a guy and as a comedian as somebody that i did shows with in montreal we actually roasted one another as part of one of jefferson's rose battles in montreal and we had a wonderful time and really hit it off and i wanted to invite him on the show to talk about comedy. We talk a little bit about basketball but as you guys know i'm not i'm not a huge fan of the all round unball. The old round ball is all the fans got but we still obviously had an incredible chat and as i always say let's get to it as quickly as possible a couple of things to plug up top my book comedy sex god is available now <hes> i also have a couple of standup dates coming coming at ya if you're going to be in l._a. September twenty sixth is special show with me and a special guest. I don't think i can promote who it is but let's just say it might be my favorite stand up comedian and very very dear friend of mine. One of my oldest friends and those are the hints. I'll give largo dash l. A. dot com for tickets and then the one after that is october eleven but regardless of when you're hearing this i do a live stand up show at a theater in l._a. Called largo always you can get tickets at largo dash l. a. dot com but september twenty six going to be a special one and then october eleventh. We'll definitely be packed with my all time favorites as well. I also put out a secret special vinyl that i'm not tweeting or instagram or promoting really in any way way other than promoting it or mention it on this podcast. It's called pete holmes living at largo. It is an album of vinyl of a ordinary show where i did a forty five fifty minutes of new material and riffing and playing. It's a great set. It's not like it's not open making it <hes> and it was a special show and i was like let's just release a vinyl just for the die hard fans just for people who want to own a little piece of actual stand up not like doing a special with cameras and microphones everywhere where everyone knows. It's a recording. This is a regular show. It's a show it's working out. What will undoubtedly be my next our but you can hear it sort of in that fresh electric early stage. That was so special. I wanted to share it with you guys i. If you know a big fan i think this is a good good gift for them and all of the proceeds are going to the littlest tumor which is a wonderful foundation <hes> to get that vinyl and also oh my other vinyl dirty clean also on their go to eight hundred eight zero zero eight zero zero eight hundred pound gorilla records dot com slash pete homes and you'll see links for both of those as well. The dates aren't on there yet but <hes> pete holmes dot com for any of you that have been there is just a really bad website website but any day now. I'm going to be announcing. My <hes> tore my fall stand up tour which i'm calling silly silly fun boy. I'm going to be going all over the country and it might be today. It might be tomorrow very very soon. I'm going to be promoting all of the tour dates on pete holmes dot com. I'm i'm just gonna take everything down except the tour dates so if you're nasty check out pete holmes calm in let's say a week or so and and all of those tour dates will be up there as well. I know what the guests like blake. Some of you may have never heard this podcast before <hes>. I if you're a sports fan aaron rodgers did this show before j._j. Radic did the show before we've had athletes on the four hours enjoyed talking to them <hes> and we don't normally we are sorry we don't don't do normal ads on the show. I only promote products that i absolutely love a news every single day personally and for real and then i reach out to those was companies and they're called pete's picks. You guys know this so if you love this show and you want to show your support <hes> check out a piece pick. These really are products that i use in love every single day. Eh the first is charlotte's web hemp oil. It is a c._b. The oil <hes> it is made and grown in denver the hemp plant they use science to remove move t._h._c. so that it's not an intoxicant. It doesn't get you stone it just with science. They lee witt science. They use the body leave behind the body and brain beneficial c._b._d. I i'm sure you've heard about the benefits of for me. Anecdotally speaking is wonderful mood elevator. It doesn't take you out of the game. You can still read you can still work you can still what's the word function you can function in fact. I love writing on it. I love acting acting on it. Everything that i do <hes> is is elevated by doing this but it's not it's almost perceptual at something that you take and you find yourself a little bit less stressed i find myself flowing and giving into and and merging with whatever it is. I'm doing a little bit quicker to laugh a little bit quicker to smile. It's the first time i smoked weed. I was like man. I wish there was something kind of like this but that wouldn't get you intoxicated. That wouldn't be something that like completely changed the channel just a little something that gives you a little bit of a edge softening quality and that is what c._d. Oil is i know there other oils out there but this is the only one made from hemp grown in denver by a company that is unbelievable unbelievable ethical and wonderful <hes> so it's made for for human consumption. There's other oils out there but this one is the highest most premium grade that i found or even heard of so. Give it a try. 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It's basically as close to a futuristic meal in a pill that i've found and it's so good that you can add it just to water the reason for that is they put powdered coconut milk in there and they put powdered rock cow in there so so those two mixed together and it tastes like chocolate milkshake but it makes you feel amazing because it is a loaded with nutrition it's they went literally went on excursions into the jungle to find the most exotic nutrient rich superfoods that have been revered by tribal cultures for centuries. It's one hundred percent plant based. It got omega threes from chia and flax which i prefer from getting it from like anonymous fish oils which always sounds weird to me. Get it from clamps chia and flax boom right into your bloodstream eight super fruits seventeen greens and veggies which one of the reasons. I love to travel with it. Sometimes it can be hard to eat healthy on on the road. This has right in the bag. 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That's how i start my day off in healthy way so you can get twenty percents off your first or actually not your first order all of your orders. If you go to catava okay a. c. h. A. v. a. dot com slash weird and give it a try and show your support for this podcast our guys. That's it enjoy uh. I'm gonna say my new friend blake griffin. There is my new friend. Get into one more thing. Sorry i forgot <hes>. There is a new wonderful wonderful ramdas movie. You guys listen to this podcast. You know how much i love ramdas wonderful great great teacher in my life and there's a new film out now called becoming. Nobody is going to be touring around the theaters. <hes> please check it out. Please support it. <hes> you can watch the trailer at becoming. Nobody dot com. Check it out. I loved it. I love ramdas. If you like ramdas even if you don't know who he is. I think you'll love it. Check it out becoming becoming. Nobody dot com all right. Get into it. You're the only guest that is that's true. That's that's a good plan. This is shitty. This is like a status move. If you ask me to sit here i would think it was a power game. Yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna i angle it this way. Well let's start here. We have to edit something out. Wish for funny reason. Though can i say funny reason because i'm fascinated more with your life than like like sports interview obviously and the fact. I just ask you what you were drinking. You were like i don't know and then i said i don't so if you should say because anything that you're seeing doing is an automatic endorsement which is a much bigger deal than say if i would just like i love kit kat especially when it comes molested health and wellness thing things that are supposed to be healthy. I think that's crazy. It's a crazy life. It's like if <hes> if you see she like a guy like a basketball player. You see lebron like doing some exercise like he basically started as a as it rise nation. It's a class where you do <hes> versa climber. It's a it's like a workout machine and he was like thinking. It's a part of his workout thing and now there's like a full four class where you just go do that. It wasn't obviously just him but i have a in in my mind. He had a big well. Push on geena started. We say this. I only have so many facts but they did a study where primates monkeys gorillas will look at photos of like muscular and beautiful beautiful symmetrical or fit able guerrillas so it's like in our evolution like we love looking alpha's like we want. Isn't it cool. We we wanna see what the like when i see the reason i asked what you're drinking is because i just have an evolutionary need to be like what are you doing so now. You're gonna go waste nice exact thing but that's advertising if i drink that or eat that i'll be you but really you're like. You probably got up at four a._m. This morning and heaved things things that need to be somewhere to somewhere where they didn't want to be doing that but it doesn't seem i apply this. This is your podcast. You should be asking the question you. I just thought about this. This is it is now. It doesn't seem like so much more organic. If you just see the person in public doing like you watch it gatorade at and i don't think like in my mind. I don't even think i was like it's water in the cups one hundred cup so do you guys still drink from cups. <hes> i don't wanna get you go to like an a a an arena like you can't control that team might have a gatorade sponsorship mantra ship right so they'll put gatorade cups right behind the bench but as a kid gatorade yeah but it's water it might be is actually you know what it is. They have these the trays he's and half gaiters. Some guys like gatorade during games from guys like water. What are you doing. I do a special during during games i do. It's it's like choosing from the tooth. Same bullshit choices that i have when i go to a seven eleven is how somebody should be like. There's a little cayenne here. I can help your metabolism start making up. What is in your special. It's just electrolyte stuff so it's basically like well yeah salt with a sev several different kinds of salt you so listen. You're at no risk of sounding like a snob. I'm out of shape. I'm not exerting myself in any way and i put salt in my water. You're safe right. This is not teasing. This is put some saabs different salts in your water and i love it because i feel like gatorade makes me feel a little sluggish because there's so much sugar it's soda. I don't wanna give you let me know if you know you yeah i. I'm fascinated with this. Just as people forget athletes and comedians just people i know so many people that won't drink soda bewildering gatorade gatorade for example and what is that it's just marketing yo whore or i'll go to starbucks because the cookies look fancy and they're unlike a wooden wooden cutting board. I won't eat a cookie if i'm in mcdonalds. Someone's like you wanna cook him like fuck no way if i'm in starbucks i'm like jazz. Playing we are stupid is what adams thing was stupid creatures. They're you know what it is. People figure out a way to convince us to consume things we fall for it and then we figure it out what we figure out what they were doing and then they've reinvent a new way and then i might add to that they get. They trick us into eating things. We want to eat like there's a part of me that wants them to trick me into and eating <unk> yeah because you feel better i wanna fall for. What's your vice schwinn. It's hard drugs. Can we talk yeah. That's a great endorsement. You gotta go hard dried lake for crystal man and you kind of look a little bit high energy. I don't know no. I don't know what is an inbound. I don't either but i love those things. I don't know if you've seen them on instagram where it's like. They'll show a picture of somebody in to represent each of the drugs drugs. You know what i mean like. <hes> every drug has sort of a different effect. I think there's one that like makes people lose their teeth. I think yeah i'm always fascinated by those crazy or they showed that before and after i know i'm i was one of those kids. They showed us a video about what's not snuff chewing tobacco. Oh oh oh yeah well yeah. If you chew a lot of chewing tobacco you lose your job and they showed us video of that. That's all it took yeah. I'm one of those. Tell me once it's gonna yeah never smoked a cigarette in my life. Is that you yeah well. That makes sense. We always <hes> sporty. Yes yeah so. I was more sporty than anybody but is that why or were you just like just like wired to be kind of. I think just sweet and my generation nation especially where i'm from two from oklahoma which is like the bible bell you know it's different about confuses me like think. I was just saying this on martha's episode where it's like. I knew christian people that were very very wholesome <hes> but that might smoke because it was like this is an american crop. The supports american farmers yeah yes. That's true makes you talk about talking yourself into something. Just want that sweet sweet. Helping american farmer and listen to this whole thing is that you can get yourself. Anything is fine. Yes you could put a spin on. Don't you do that. Are there games that you play to get you to do what you do. I'll give you an. I'll give you a super example. Even though i'm a soft boy i do intermittent fasting because i just can't handle the freedom if someone's like just eat whenever you want right so i do intermittent fasting and then i catch myself and this really is about you because this is boring. What i'm saying is boring. I don't eat until noon so i'll save my first coffee till like eleven. That's like a little mind game. I thought you could have coffee when you wake up or different schools. There's different schools. I think you subscribing to wait till late coffee over so there's nothing going on and then i was like i bet blake has a series of games that you play with yourself to get you to do you a whole boatload of ungodly activity the nice thing about what i do is we i burn so many calories and i'm such a big person that i get to eat so much food. Yeah remember seeing you backstage in your eating a fucking corned beef sandwich that was probably not but i was so mad i think we all started riffing on it because we're all doughy boys and he's just like yeah work it off. Well you gotta. Do you think that super funny of the comedy. I've seen you do and this is so key. Whether it's high high status i'm a athlete or low stats mish lovey whatever knowing who you are and making fun fun of it never seemed to be a problem for you. Oh no and i found that with aaron rodgers who i told you i interviewed and they all seem to have a sense of humor. They knew knew what they were. Neither of them comedy necessarily. I mean you know but they're both mark god does maybe i don't know commercial. They're both i mean. I know changing obviously better than i know aaron but you'd never covered erin yeah. Is that the same position well. I don't know if katie is gonna laugh question this early cover a core. I guess you cover a quarterback but everybody's line of covering the quarter of all do you ever block someone shot or dunk on them and then the next taming see them. It's really awkward. No <hes> there was one. There was one or two guys before. I dunked on a minute. It turned out to be like some. I'm a much better dunks. Maybe y- and you kinda see him kind of like i guess with twitter now like yes. He will just go nuts. I mean on twitter now but twitter like social media now people go nuts for this stuff and it gets played over and over and over and over and they might be posters like when we were kids poster but now it's now it's an international me a gift constantly to boomerang of someone getting it on. The new poster is a gift so it's just the whole action you get to see the whole thing over and over and over yeah just sucks. I because you seem like a like a nice sweet guy. Can i say sweet sweet boy away your sweet boy. How do you reconcile because both of what we do. Comedy and sports requires tapping into a certain competitiveness in a a competition. How do you do you do okay with that because i mean to somebody. You have to be like and i'm not here to pretend. I have a part of me when i do jewish. Oh i wanna kill. I wanna kill harder than everybody yeah. I if i'm really being honest i want the person going after me to kind of be like jesus christ. What are you doing up. Here is neither that you want them to do. Bad now. I just want to do better. I yes exactly right. I don't want them to fail. I want everyone to do well. I'd like to be a little lag where it's like. Wow pete did so well that ah opener i had to really give it extra dues and then just for the story for the reputation for the thrill because i've had that happen to me. I've been dominated. I've bombed. I've seen the guy and i admired that guy. Those were my posters. The guy the club that could go up and crash. You had to get in touch with that and then is it easy for you to separate great church and state and that way you guys hang out your your buddy. It actually is and like the older you get the longer. I've been in the league a little bit easier. It is for me because when i first got in it was just so young and i just had to make up for not being has good at basketball. I had to make up for it by just like playing really hard immune physical right playing this game in my mind where this guy hates me him. You know what i mean. That's the case but i had to do that in my mind now that one i play play basketball video games like it'll be boring go. Let's pretend this is the championship i'll have or this guy killed but i mean boxers. They have to imagine boxers or playing games where they're like this person yeah. I'm gonna pretend that they're this person. I think that's why they they do so much a part of his for show but you know how they say like they do the whole this guy can't yeah they get the face to face to face this guy. This guy can't hold a kit. You know they just go in the other guy right like part of it just because like they don't wanna have any they wanna say stuff so that the other guy will say stuff because of the other guys says stuff. It's easier to fight them. That is hilarious. Yes i think one guy should just always like yeah. I wanna see you can't hit your it. I'm struggling. I can i be honest with you guys kito. It is not agreeing with my blood type <music>. I'm sluggish. I really think this is gonna win. Loaded look at him. He looks great. I can see all these. Somebody's somebody's got to do that. That's i think what you do has to be and what i do so we're not separating these things showbiz you're in show business and and it reminds me i imagine more of like <hes> hip hop. There's something about getting into is zone where there's the battling and there's the bravado and to dunk on somebody you really have to be. You can't be playing enya in your head. There's got to be like a powerful but those guys are everything there. Every lil wayne has mornings where he wakes wakes up and he's like yeah. I feel really lil wayne today. When he's really feeling down see i it's funny you say that because hip hop is a huge part of basketball culture and culture culture for me. I heard a longtime ago that like for me. I have to listen to like very like calm music before i play really i feel like if i get too amped up right before our in the locker room because we do it so much and it's such long build up like i'm at the arena at four o'clock for seven o'clock game so if i'm doing hip hop in my headphones were yeah. I hear the enormous tall toilets they have they have i've talked to other people will have steps you love it. I've been an n._b._a. Locker rows and i'm like this is for me like the countertops or high dovers. It's like a custom winner bego for a very rich. We're not relating to bury many the cry oh chambers hot tub rain and it was i was interviewing kyrie irving so i don't remember where i was spurred. Dispute this be boston or cleveland. I think cleveland okay so cleveland. His hand was hurt. That's all i remember so it was ten years ago five six seven years ago. That's why he did it and everything else to do didn't have anything else though he helped us. Get a pilot. So you're saying you listen to slow jams jams yeah. I listened to like slower music music. That's not going to get me to like going yeah and then like right before all this one song. It's not like to too aggressive uh-huh and then because when you go out for layups in for warm-ups it's all hip hop being played and that's part of your warm yet because i not here right blasting in the arena right so i i'm weird about music. It's just like at practice in the weight room. Blasting hip hop on the court before practice is blasting hip hop even sometimes when we have drill where we don't have to talk a lot play music. What were the nineteen thirteen celtics listening to my orlando aggressive. Have you seen her lady and they're like doing gentle layups off the glass. I'm gonna basketball terms the glass blake and that square thing tried aim for that squaring shop bank shot shot what feels better at three or dunk a game winning three is nothing better cool because sometimes i play basketball fans and i sometimes tire of picturing english dunking and i go into a three point competition like a like. You're walking down and then you just in their face. You didn't even go. Are you acted like you were driving to disneyland and you pulled over. The car ran into a field three years. Just threw it up. That's amazing. I i want to relate this comedy because i i don't think it's weird at all that you're doing comedy. I think it's there's similar things happening and one of those things you've already said is when i'm going to show oh i don't listen to music on the way back. Jerry very loud hip hop really very very loud babacan already high i and hammock. You know what it feels like. I've i've never done cocaine but it has to be. What cocaine is that <hes>. That would explain miami to me. If it feels like comedy i get miami because it feels so good and this is another fun pete. Holmes fund factors music with those beads elevates your heart rate to the beat of the music. I'm sure here's somebody on your with a stethoscope knows that on a team that seem guys listen to this music the shit off so after my question is after do you listen to something crazier. I'll listen to whatever doesn't matter around me afterwards. How does it feel does it feel like doing a great sad like is it. Just everything's right world. I people always say like is it. Are you comfortable comfortable on stage because you play on so many people and i am absolutely not two totally different things. I'm terrified when i go onstage afterwards. If you have like one of those sets <hes> i remember my first time in montreal. I host them in surprise show so i did five nights in a row tuesday went great day to day went good. It was my first night. Wednesday was a little bit better. Thursday was pretty much. The same set audience rotating the thursday set was like the best i had ever done that whole set you know what i mean and i came off stage and i was like this is what having a really good game feels is the exact same. I if you said it's not the same i would be like you're not killing hard enough because the way that i feel after a good set especially again to make it athletic. If if it's a bad show like david mann menezes great thing about a perfect baseball game like the team has to be down and then come back and then be down again and then come back like it's just like a movie if you watch any movie i know this is a production company. It's the same thing yeah they're winning. They're losing their winning again. Then they have to lose is to the point where you really think it's over. This is why everyone's dying in the third actor dad and then somehow they come the same thing as a as a game and it's the same thing as a stand up show if everybody's everybody's doing really poorly or if i'm doing poorly <hes> then i bring it back the high. I can't imagine anything better. Which is why i believe that it is assimilate has superhuman what you do it has to be. I mean it's it's such a similar feeling and i don't think i've ever i think that's why i keep coming back can doing more is because it's an i only really do like comedy your stand-up stuff in the off season and i think it's because maybe i like missed that feeling dude. You're setting yourself up for like a much happier retirement like when johnston was on the daily show. I was never worried about him because he'll do stand up right right right but those guys that go crazy or do drugs or get lots of different things. That's a problem. One of the reasons why <hes> substance abuse is a problem in comedy hamady because they get that feeling so your body's like throw everything to ten and then a lot of us being up like one a._m. Every every single night here in montreal up until like two a._m. Every night just because not because i was going out and doing stuff i was just a show and it wouldn't into one thirty i you know then you're hanging <music> out and i'm not a especially now that i have a baby. I i go to bed early. I went to bed at ten o'clock last night but in montreal till four like when i saw the airport i was like did you go to sleep. It's eight in the morning. Stay nightmare of a travel. It was were you on the flight. There was delayed. How do you do that how do you how do you deal with that. I went to the airport at. I rode with neil. He was on his brennan. He was on a different flight and <hes> he was connecting in vancouver. I was like man should have got on the direct talk. Maybe i'll change them. He didn't end up changing it gets the airport delays like <hes> forty five minutes away. I was like all good yeah. Go grab some food. She comes back. She's like you might want to get comfortable. It's laid six hours and i just oh yeah with it. I was on this flight. It was a six. I just went and found the recliner chair and i slept for four hours. I tried to do that too. I still remember the whole time. A song was looping in my head when you're so tired and uncomfortable and we're not in an n._b._a. B._a. Locker room to chairs are for like mice. We're just gonna do some talk of the godfather. I'm gonna speak to michael italian. I'm going to speak to blake and tall yeah. That was brutal but i i remember that day being i was okay with it. I don't know why maybe it was because i was so tired or because as we were still with friends interview i watch you. Were like the thing about the n._b._a. It's not just the games. It's the camaraderie. I have to imagine that appeals to you about standard as well. Is that like after the show so we're all kind of on the same drug and we're all hanging out although it's a drug that's not it doesn't take you out of it even alcohol. I don't like talking to drunk doc people. I'll talk to anybody after they got off stage like after a good show. We were in it together and you kind of buzzing. Have all this adrenaline to burn off and you hang hang out or eat or whatever that superfund for me. Is that part of the appeal. Does that remind you of playing. Yes yes the camaraderie for sure. The only only thing about basketball is like you on your team. Most people are experiencing the same wave interest. You know what i mean. Fame yeah yeah could come off stage and you could have killed and the three people before you didn't in the personality you know it's it's a it's an individual thing like we might go have a game where we lost and it was just we lost bad and we're all like in the same place i mean somebody might have had a good game but when when you lose it doesn't matter you know what i mean that's. That's why i stopped doing anybody that listen to. This podcast knows that i'm about to say this. The reason i stopped doing improv was i couldn't again. I i'm forty and forty is the year of diagnosing like the first four decades was all the symptoms and now i'm just calling it. I'm like i have this. I have this it this way so i am even though i am a sweetie too. I clearly have a part of me. That's like competitive that wants to like rip into it and do it. All the time an improv. I couldn't get over the fact that the my team often didn't want to rehearse as much as i did and then this shows were only as good as like the the weakest yup yeah heap impolite to say but is that frustrating and name names policeman no no because i feel like from mkx from the time i was a kid my dad basketball coach yeah and from time i started playing sports. He always stressed to me that as as if if you are the best player on a team or you're one of the better players on a team. It's your job to lift people up yeah. It's your job to know that <hes> this guy doesn't do this. Well don't put him in that position or if you are going to put him in that position put him in the best position to succeed <hes> and <hes>. Do you know what i mean. I love that yeah yeah. It's like i mean it's also just efficient works exactly and it's beautiful. It's <hes> and i'll say like the same thing you know. I say that to the same if my kid if he decides to play sports and if he is one of those people because it's it's responsibility you've been given this gift to be very good at this thing and you have to bring everybody along with you. You're only as weak as you're. You're only only as good as good as good as your. You know your worst player but at the same time like you have the ability to make those people right. I mean you're only as bad as full of shit your power forward as the ball hog when we were roasting each other. Do you remember this. Moses said don't don't don't hog the ball. They use the sports because we kept what they think. They meant it. I don't think they said it because you were there. I think people just do that like i would have known what he men in that situation there was a there. There's like a courtesy to it and we we blake an eye as you know. I think we roasted each other and you wanted to do it. Sportsmen like you know what i mean. Clearly i had too many jokes but i didn't want to rattle too many off and then moses was like you're you're hogging the ball and i i was like oh interesting so there is the sort of civility to it but i think it's interesting that you're like you are fortunate because i know and i'm sure are you grew up with kids that were really great. I'm gonna sound so phony but i'm gonna say ball. Handlers were shooters video games. I'm not i'm not i'm not as they say fronting thing. I know this stuff from video so they're good ball handlers and they're good shooters but they never broke six feet so there is just like a grace element lament right. There's nothing you can do. Oh yeah. That's the thing i say in one of my my one of my bitches like athletes now. Are i always like man. I'm supposed to be here like you know like i came from nothing and now i'm here and it's like yeah you were. You're six eight and like the the strongest person ever. This is exactly what you're supposed to be doing tosa and i. I was going to say like i'm six ten two hundred sixty pounds and all i had to do to get that was eat and go outside a little like it's true. I was given rubin like yes. You have to lift weights and you have to do things but like that's not hard when you have a person a coach dedicated to telling you what ways to lift putting the weight on their hopefully. That's why with your four saltwater like someone telling you what to eat. Br of course someone should tell you what to eat. I see that the same thing as like someone knowing how to light a scene in a show someone you're the exact so someone should motherfucking be telling you what exactly and if you don't do it that's on you absolutely yeah but the scene is easier to control than a person. I mean like i have to imagine especially the way that we you know sort of worship celebrity just in general the men specially athletic celebrity. It must be tempting as you get bigger. I have a hard time imagining coaches. Let's take michael jordan. Let's take everybody middling that you play with it. How do you tell michael jordan what to do. There has to be an element. I'm in humility that you maintain. It must be hard for you. I mean i don't know much about your career sports wise but it's just like you've done some stuff. You're four-time eh six eighteen. I don't even when you make your sixteen time and the most valuable blake and like you were saying when you were young and hungry of course you're gonna do what the coach tells you and you're scared and is it harder. And how do you maintain taint humility humility. That's 'cause nobody's rapping about humility rap about your. That's what this thing right. Your talent talent level and your level of humility have to match. You know what i mean and a lot of times. They don't yeah when you when your talent level in your shoot you level a level of humility or guests self-awareness at the same time yeah match then you will continue to get better yeah if your talent is up here in your humility is up here. You're you're gonna keep saying like oh. I don't need to like or your self awareness. I don't need to work on this when you so. You can't really get better do you. Your talent is down down here and your humility. I mean that's just normal parks cicero worse than what you're saying. It's a little bit like a bell curve. You don't want to little little humility. You also probably don't want too much. We don't need to show that for sure. Everybody knows you need to have a certain level of confidence to do anything i i think i'm even trying to separate separate humility and confidence. Do you know what i mean. You can be confident in your ability and still be humble. Yeah you know what i mean. That's interesting and i i probably cried and explain that the right way but it's in my mind those like the guys that are very very good and get better for the most apart are pretty humble like there was a kind of this new wave of guys like the kevin durant and the steph currys and all those guys that had come into the n._b._a. Who are so good and they're also pretty humble and self aware of like what they are and what they aren't feel like. The comedy is crazy with i just said i don't know either of those. Men are but like. I couldn't two of the mess. He's gonna show me five photos there in basketball uniforms all of them. I don't know who those those people. I see that like with comedy. Self-awareness is just been turned up to quote bill burr. We all watched behind the music like everybody like the number of guys that i know that aren't doing as i mentioned cocaine. Were not going out and going nuts and mike just burning at both ends. Everybody seems to understand like who are they. What do they want. How do you get it. What's the work required. I just see that even more in comedy so it doesn't surprise me. I'm interested in <music>. I'm very interested in like comedy work ethic <hes> because that's not something i like. You don't really get to see that. I don't i don't how do you what's a comedy work ethic. What are you doing. Are you watching stuff or you just sitting down and thinking in like. Are you like trying to not thinking like trying to write better and better and better in better jokes or you. Tell me if it's the same. It's all about the environment that helps. You think you know what i mean like. Sometimes i'd car ride. Really helps cbs me. <hes> like ice have to drive an hour and a half two appetizers office sue and that's where i would have so many of these great ideas because you're occupying your motor skills skills so your brain is sort of working in a different way to have these different thought so when you have these thoughts how do you do you. Are you taxing it to myself. Okay you syria talks. Sometimes it doesn't know what i mean. I go text me text me a very seri- <hes> but yeah like i thought oh it's not it's not like the most genius joke in the world but on the way here and i thought about i was like that's because i was driving. I was thinking about playing peekaboo with my daughter and it was like hide-and-seek is just open world. Peekaboo was like that's it. That's it's not like a amazing joke but i'm like that is a joke. I could cherry pick and put in my act. You'll you'll find a way to color. It's like i was playing <hes> hide and seek with my daughter as i call it open world peekaboo. She's a line but it but that's where it goes but watching watching comedy really just riles me up like i'll watch. I'm gonna put this to you if you have an equivalent. I'll watch the guy before me to get me. We really antsy 'cause usually. I'll be like i can do better than the oh okay. Don't get me really before caged animals style or sometimes that'll be chris rock and i'll go. I'm gonna pretend i watched the guy before him. You know. I'm just going to help someone else obscene. Take a and they're just trying to. I guess the equivalent for me is like a work ethic in the n._b._a. Is like you obviously have to work out when you have to do be requirements hard and and very concentrated like this the more detailed you get in your workouts. I think the the harder you work to me like if you're doing a move that you're working on and you're you're thinking okay. My feet has to do this this like this this. You don't like your body has to be in this new. Go over like the smallest detail now that to me is like very very very hard work like mental fitness. Yeah you can work recording. Go hard on your workout right. That's great. That's also working hard but there's levels. There's led to this or what about comedy where where do your ideas come see so so. I'm just like i mean euro yet. I will just think of something and i'll write it down in my notes for texas myself all right in my notes folder and then i'll come. I'm back to like this whole notes folder sometimes. I'm just like that was not good. You know what i mean yeah. No i hear this move on all race it but then there's sometimes on aretha it's a really oh man sometimes ten years later. You're like interesting. There's this great <hes> mister show story story. We're br bride and bride and brian poe sane said some terrible sketch pitch and then bob odenkirk was like no. You're a funny guy. What did you mean by that like you said said something really stupid and they worked trying to work on it and they don't give you said that you're funny. Why did he coach. Why did you say that that's interesting then they kept digging and and they wrote one of the most classic sketches so like i've i'm very proud that like some of my i'm trying to think of one that doesn't really matter but some of them took ten years. I started doing it run. My confidence wasn't ready and then ten years later. I had the confidence required to make it work because the joke actually part of what made the joke funniest how confidently i was doing a stupid joke. Joke joe got you but i'm sure you run into everybody. That tells you their their strategy on. How many wrapped we say wraps just like you guys taught in your purpose. We'd say rask's smell often. Are you going <hes> like that. That is the most interesting thing is like to me is how often often do comedians go up like seinfeld's like i do three weekends a month that level he can do three weekends a month and then and then i you you. Just gotta find what works for you. How often do you get up to comedy yeah. Oh not very i don't. I don't know if you might think that. I'm doing way more than i oh. I don't know i just kind of like i did just for laughs a couple of years ago and then since then i just like i really wanted to like. Can i got the itch last last summer for my charity show i i did sketches like videos. I recorded stout so i did. I wasn't really doing stand up and this summer. I kind of wanted to do it so i wrote bro and then i went up in l._a. A couple of times i went up in new york a couple of times and i waited <hes> noaa westside. Neil show yeah <hes> where in new york the new york comedy store store sell seller no not the seller. I'll say you know the his pictures of new york new york. Broadway comics caroline's kinda keep going. It's it doesn't really matter. It does matter everything matters it matters so much <hes> <hes> anyways. I went up there and then i was. I felt like i was like ready for montreal. You know so so you were like firing it up to get the new york comedy club all right <hes> but yeah i was getting ready for montreal so you're doing it kind of more for like one off things but how long long as the off season six i mean it depends yeah could be with your family yeah. I have some other stuff like what burpee you gotta states in. Is that true. I mean yeah. I work out every day. I mean that's got to be a thing and then i have meetings here. I do podcast here and there your own <hes>. I'm doing mine right now. What is that ten sos minds on health and wellness really got like offers offers to do. <hes> you know obviously sports podcast in in like a couple of like comedy podcast but i just feel like there's so many of those that they're already so good. You know what i mean. <hes> and health and wellness has always been a big thing for me. I've loved. I was a health and exercise science major <hes> in college and i feel like i know maybe a little bit more than the average person about health and wellness but obviously yeah probably yeah 'cause i take. You're very seriously yeah. I'd love to talk about that and i loved yeah. Of course i was. I was just saying what we're gonna. Say though i loved doesn't see people are are going. I'm going to get tweets. Don't you get tweets. <hes> you know what i i'll. I'll come back on twitter. If you get into many tweets just don't go into <hes>. I was gonna say i was just saying val the other day. I think it was yesterday. We were eating something healthy and it was like this. It's just weird like this wasn't a part of my life growing up and i remember this might sound weird but there was an athletic kid in my grade. This is like seventh grade so pretty pretty young pretty formative and his dad used to make them smoothies and i was like what you mean mom and you mean cereal like i didn't understand like it just didn't compute and i realized that that was like that was kind of like love to me if somebody made me something that was like this is really good for you. That didn't come until later and it. It's usually me my parents. Were doing the best they could. I'm not sure on them. Through you. Crystal meth cocoa cocoa pebbles is cristiano cocoa. We just sorry general mills <hes>. Is it really that general you make serious. <hes> ah you make bread products pretty good. I love doing business. I love doing them all day so what i'm wondering if there was where did you start getting into it from my mom. My mom's very very healthy she so. I was like the kid who every morning my brother and i had to drink. The stuff called barley green barley. Basically it's basically like green juice. You know everybody drinks green now. Yeah my brother and i've basically been drinking that since and we were like six years old every morning and so i was like the healthcare we'll take fish oil since we were young like especially for being in the middle of america erica like where things aren't quite as healthy right like she was like ahead of the curve for sure. I just find it. She was just very interested in it. She was like a runner <hes> <hes> as like. She's she even like when she was pregnant with my brother i remember she would like. I wasn't alive but she would say she would like run even when he was he she was <unk> pregnant. She was just into it and she's a smart lady. She's just like would by nutrition books and read them and understand and it was very important order that people don't like what what are you. What did she get out of these books. What did you get what are some of the things that you wish. People knew i think she was onto something because there was <music> a camera this guy's name but he wrote a book about how if you cook your own food you're going to be so much healthier. Michael pollen's about pollen is that it's it's either polaner pond but that's in the movie fed up. Did you watch out no fed up the anti sugar movie or i guess we could say it's the sugar movie happens to present a lot of data. That's anti actually i might have seen that. I've seen so many me to so many i know. I don't look like i look like a guy who edited this uh-huh but i love those movies and i get a weird charge out of shit that they're not telling us. It's almost like a true conspiracy ads. They're feeding cottonseed oil. That's a byproduct of the cotton industry. That's not a food. They sold a cheap oil because it was the runoff from cotton new and they were like you can fry stuff in this and we were like give it the sheen and it's cheaper and it's fucking not food is not you shouldn't be in english. It's it's <hes> i find those documentaries like they reset me. So once i watched that i watched i will be so healthy yeah for like like i don't know however long and just really be like dialed in on it and then you kinda like slip like natural. I think everybody kind of does unless you like psychopathic michael pathak and all the time yeah and then i'll watch another one. I'll be like yes. I'm back. I was watching jimmy part by the way not tinted mm fun. Actually he was a soft boy when he was growing up so i i think he was affected. Okay yeah so i'm totally with you. I need to watch those movies once a you're an infidel michael paulin pollen said if you cook your own food you're fine if if you're doing it i used to have a bit. It never worked. It was about like we go to restaurants to have them cook for ways for us that we would never cooked for ourselves. It was like putting out a hit on a chicken. It's like i don't care what you do. I wanna it just br. That's why it's in the back. Tell me it's done and then i'll eat it but you would never cook a piece of fish in a full stick of butter but they will write you. Don't care you just like just just get it back to the starbucks cookie you. You're paying them to do what you want in a room where you can't see so you hang them to hide bad things in food. That's right. That's exactly right. That's most of the food industry. That's what you ever drive past sir. I'm not going to get on a vegan thing. I'm just like a factory farm and you just smell blood. You're like wow world like again. No judgment that's that's part of the circle of life. I suppose although eight factory parts but i'm just saying we want what we want but we don't want to see how it's happening in sitting there. That's what my my mom would cook for us. Every not i mean dude that's great. She would cook for us six nights out of the week. Wow you know what i mean and breakfast lunch dinner. If we were home for all she was making like <hes> so not like a cereal breakfast. <hes> i mean she would like it wasn't like we were only eating the f. whites and like brown rice but she was like it'd be like we'd have like eggs and and but like president keep yeah turkey bacon like some something else not shope. Let me all my house not processed sugar puff trade right. Which is what we were writing thinking. The food pyramid was reading the buyback of the box like oh scott iron so like that was how my mom to me was ahead of the curve yeah and i say this again. We were in oklahoma where you go. You know i get spoiled because i live on the west coast for half the time and you know another half the time. I'm playing professional sports. Awards so diet is very dialed in right you go to like some of these places in the country and like even you just go to a regular restaurant. The portions are so much bigger yeah and so much unhealthier right. I just feel like my mom was ahead of the curve and she got started on that so now i enjoy eating healthy thing lose. I'm not trying to be funny. Did she. Lose a parent or something like where needed this <hes> interest her. Her mother passed <hes> like around the time. I was born but she was already yeah. You know being healthy but i might have been interesting. There was like a reason or trauma or elite or something. I don't know but it's interesting that she went this way. I think she was just always. That's a good question. I've never really liked doug. It dug into with her like why or how she got started on. I know she was just like very active and i think a lot of times times. When you start being active or your active especially in your older years or your adulthood then i think it it you're you're more dialed in. You know what i mean. If you're like very active as a child and you just activists a child right right you gotta do it when you're brown. Wise started <hes>. It's a what is so other than cooking for yourself because i'm totally with you. You really have to go out of your way. Nobody owns so few people own a deep fryer. You know what i mean like. He's it's really hard to make something. That's going to be just as bad or you're doing on the thing and you're having like tossed. Splatter wars even heard somebody say that they were like if you make aac your own ice cream like how martin it is. You're not going to eat that much ice cream. You're gonna make what you're gonna make you eat it and then you want to do that type yeah probably i would i would. I can't handle that but what what are some of the tips other than cooking for yourself and i mean weird shit you. You louisville's blue-green algae. What are we doing for twelve bro. You're probably eating valley. We would do vitamins who hasn't been you owe now. Yeah eh sample of your podcast. Oh man b twelve injections you do in vitamin drips. I'm not doing vitamin drips. I am i am doing blends now now for vitamins instead of taking actual physical pills i'm doing they've <hes> they've basically put all your specific vitamins that you need and i do like blood not so i know exactly what i need them not taking my body naturally produces a lot of i'm making sure that everything is in like the you know. There's like the red yellow hello and green section when you get your blood test back. I'm just making sure everything's in the green. Yeah i know what i mean. I guess it would be red yellow green and then rattigan. We know too much yeah. What is i struggle with the lot of now who vitamin d hard to get its toes a joke here <hes> we're better than that. We're both about an hour. We're gonna we're gonna keep moving as much as you want to come back. He's keep moving. Don't even don't look. Don't turn around pete. Do you remember when we get our rose. If you made a joke that you were like shit i shouldn't joke in our r._s._s. Yeah good because i thought about that more yeah <hes> beco- back what was the joke i it was interesting. Let's let's talk a little bit about that unless unless you had a vitamin no you're you're you're doing great. I want to know what other weird shit. You're doing. You get a blend. This is so ah i can't go and buy a bland. I mean you could you can make company that. Does oh really yeah. I'll give you information off air really gotta get gotta get if if you really want it i definitely do. I've been taking <hes>. I take my vitamins in like a gel form bioavailable lightbulbs feerick something luca and i just feel like i get into you enjoy taking. Is it like i enjoy. You know what michael palin says. He says vitamins to shed. The jury is still kind of out on that one but he's like be the kind of person who takes vitamins so like the taking of the vitamins is part of the benefit of vitamins doing a thing like working out in the morning. I don't work out but if i do when i do in the morning i just have a great day. Yeah go around eating peaches and said like if i didn't work out for a living half to work out in the morning all day like my job was yeah and i had to work out if that i wouldn't i wouldn't do and mentally is giving you a huge benefit to you struggle with any depression or anxiety or never never have. I feel like you have to be burning. I get like some like like social anxiety. Just being if i'm especially if i'm by myself out in like a public place yeah ed doesn't ever like really kept me from doing things. We talked about that because i was walking around with. You and i was like well. The sklar brothers of the lucas brothers twins get notice salat and if you're famous twenty get noticed double much double much and if you're six ten you get noticed and you're on like your year. What i said ed was like your real famous like. I'm kind of like fun. Famous like one out of three hundred people my my no me but like my dad knows who you are and my dad is the guy who's gonna come up and go army jr. like he's that is like a different level. It's like an airplane. He's like my dad says you're weak in the painter whatever they like like i wanna talk to you. They feel like they own. You like you're like oh you they own stock and i was thinking about that today. I don't even know why why i think i actually i don't know i saw somebody driving and i was thinking to myself that looks like the type of guy who would be walking by me with his girlfriend and say yeah what up blake you. You know where i would never do that to somebody. I didn't know yeah yeah but that's the time i was. I saw some like that's the type of guy who would do that and he did and and while we were driving oh oh like saw him in his co. I completely like profile this guy so funny i you're getting the data do. Do you know what i mean a lotta guys in. I don't know ed hardy shirts and white b._m._w. You know what i mean so you have different profiles. I know if you're white dude with a beard fairy high changes. It also depends on the neighborhood like if i'm in williamsburg or if i'm in <hes> <hes> los villas or somewhere like that very good chance. If i'm in beverly hills i walk around or i could yell my name. They got up designer care. Get the fuck out here. Oh you're sorta famous everywhere and that doesn't seem to impact your life. Have ah i don't know i i sort of like a triple thing. I obviously play sports so people that are sports fans from that. I'm very tall that hurts too and i also don't look like very many people yeah. There's not a lot of people who look a lot like rogan by magical lightning joke you're right. You're a unique dude yeah so like if i'm sitting down you're like who never seen a person looks like that before. That looks like it's like it's like a dungeons and dragons game. You'd be like well in the tavern. There is a six ten men. I approached the man the three yeah. It doesn't matter who you are. We just want to engage with you yeah. I mean people sometimes yell at me from cars that i mean is. Is this happening tinted windows yeah so but if i have my window down yeah or just on the street for sure interesting way. Where did let's start with. I'm interested in when you realized you were funny early on like what is your earliest funny memory. <hes> i mean besides like doing stuff your family. No russians family yoyo of them of like people we a new year barley this out do like people we knew i would do i used to i used to love john wayne movies john. I don't now i used to all the time for my in like the bummer is i don't know if i was actually good or my parents. Were like oh. It's so good you know what i mean but i was convinced i was doing a perfect. I did on this on. I've been on this lately. I recently was <hes> on a talk show and i made a joke and one of the actors that was doing it to like sort of made fun of joke and it was like don't you down. I thought i said he was all right but and it's not even i've thought about it more. I got really heated about it because i'm like there's vulnerability to doing jokes and nobody's writing what i'm saying and i'm trying to entertain people like honor honor what i'm doing like. I know what i said. Wasn't that funny. He was right. We don't have to show you saying about him. No no no wasn't about him. It was was just a joke and then i started talking about how the joke didn't do well so i was already addressing how it didn't do well and then he went and then i was like that is is like <hes> it's just a fragile thing so if a kid is doing an impression fucking i right if even if it's not that great you're just like when people make jokes i to me. I'm just like jokes like i'm sorry i made a bad joke. I was like i like jokes. I like that you tried see. That's how i am with comedy as i can. I i feel like i can appreciate such a wide range of styles in comedy. You know like sometimes my friends. I'll be like i'll try to show. I stopped trying to show my friends comedians radiant unless i take them to the show. Yeah 'cause live comedies. Just everybody loves live comedy yeah. I'll show my friends like somebody who i really think is funny. He like trying to think of a good example like especially drought carmichael before like he really blew up yeah. I was like you guys have to watch this guy yeah and he my friends i think spectacle yeah my friends like they didn't like him really like this because because like i'm not saying my friends have great comedy tastes but like a lot of times just generally people like the like the biggest comedians wrangling. I mean now. I know it's just like the key that was doing a show last night and somebody i told him i was to stand up and they go. Are you good like i was like this is so weird. I don't know what to say for the first time in my life i understood stood the guys that sell out madison square garden 'cause then you can just say i sold out madison square garden. That's the only time i've understood that because what i say is. I've been doing it for twenty years but that could mean a million things. It doesn't mean but i i also don't need to be impressing some random guy anybody. That's not going to be crazy question question. It's it's insane yeah. When i was writing i said is he good. I had all these like like basketball. Jokes based on nothing versus like like yeah i'll do this. He sucks a basket and everyone's like those aren't gonna work and they should feel a bunch of means. We're like he's so good. Joke joke that he's not good won't work that means. You're actually good like that. It's proof pretty good about my kinda bad. It'd be like some people like some people like it. They don't like is this is where it's a his short game. Katie helped me. They don't like the way is in the middle part. Pardon put in the post. How much trouble would you get it. If you kept shooting from the other side of the court like just every time i got the ball and you just they're all waiting until the last thirty seconds for those crazy things you get taken out really efficient see dry the basketball about numbers now so i if you are not efficient efficient at what you're doing then. You're not supposed to keep doing that you have to do that's boring so like there's a a a player efficiency rating p._r. Which basically compiles a whole bunch of different things like everything you're able to do court positive and it gives you this rating so like the best. It's players obviously like lebron and these guys are like you know they're. They're top ten ever top. Five every lebron might be one or two ever the guy from trainwreck. Yes yes sorry i keep forgetting from rap. I figured you know so you have to you have to you're thinking thinking of your stats while you're playing and you're not necessarily that i just know what my best area is. You know what i mean but what if you could make when you always get to shoot those more sophisticated question it's the beginning of the game and your fucking slap for some reason drink red bowl and someone passes you the ball <hes> your own teammate passes you the ball and you're out of bounds moment and then you come out and you just shoot but it goes in and how much trouble you and if it goes in we'll probably watch it and film the next day and it'd be like what yeah that's the thing about <unk> athletes. I guess is like whenever i like. I really love like constructive criticism. I need people to tell me honestly what i did did and what they think about it i to me. You're doing a disservice in sports. If you don't tell me honestly what you think wow because like we go play a game and we watch film of that in the next day and our coaches have to be brutally honest with us. We're we're not going to get better. Wow you know what i mean so to be able to take that and not the next game thinking the coach is going to see this you and your head and for sure sometimes it does but most of the time when i mess up i i already know i messed up yeah. We're just gonna talk about the next day so it would be like if you go to a set like do do do a show and there's like ten people on right and the next day you all meet up and somebody's like somebody. The comedy coach is like what could have done better. You probably already know when i will. You know like you've still be it'd be rough job. Kinda sucks. It's really hard. I actually put it in my calendar. <hes> i do a monthly show at largo which are wanting to do all thanks largo listened. I found onto free and i was like you have to do it like i'm forcing you to do it. I have to give myself like special coffee or like. Maybe you can have a like. I sometimes once a year. I'll smoke a cigar smoke a cigar in listen to your sets. Just something that will get you do it because i need a coach comedians would benefit. That's why we thrive when we get t._v. Shows and someone like john is your coach and he liked forces you to look at what you're doing because most of the time we're just like a bunch of alcoholics running around like wild dogs but does that help abuse standup cast crashing up you stand up if i've said this before if standups met in a room and talked about their sats or at least he's just like watched footage and kind of discussed it in a polite way like i'd be like <hes>. Can i give you a line or can i tell you something. 'cause we get very sensitive sensitive. I'm very sensitive. While i like criticism he needs to be from somebody that i think is ideally better than me or or as good as me or or for pretty good. That's why i will never. I never once would ever i. I hear people do all the time to comedians and it's just like give line doc. Just people yeah go. You should've said this about the art of roasting is that we're all at a certain level and that's when you get to roasts each other but then people on twitter will be like oh jeff rosser roasting guy. I'm just gonna get on twitter and say he's looks like a big tower whenever it's not appropriate to be inducted into to the group and that's what's really fun. There's that sportsmanship. There's that etiquette. Were you talking about. Though oh shooting long-range hoops it would stand up as if we applied some of this like watched our sets a lot of the guys i like z's. Did that a lot with like an gaffe again. Um would really every time. I saw gaffe again. He had ear buds in and he was listening to his set from the night before and i was like i have to like i just had put it in my calendar and force myself to listen where i'm like. It doesn't matter it doesn't i could try and go like pete. This is your work that will lead to these gigs. It'll lead to a special yeah you'll do it. It doesn't matter so painful to watch myself and listen to myself. That's <hes> so i do that. Whenever i do a set i have like like somebody my brother normally will record for me and i'll just watch it like it was the next <hes> the maybe that night. You're navigate but that's like how i learned. Aren't you know what i mean. If i can go see it because a lot of times i forget i forget things. I'm saying i'll forget what didn't work and it's a great line and <hes> comedian. Have you seen the documentary where i think it's in the d._v._d. Commentary that's how heartaches are that's both commentaries are good on that movie and and colin quinn said about seinfeld he was like there's a guy seinfeld who writes who sits down and rights and he was like why would you do that. That was his attitude before seinfeld broke. Why would you do that if you can just coast and so like ninety nine percent of comedians or coasting this zags really really back in the day for sure in the nineties alias and nineties yeah i think so and now this is what i'm saying burr post behind the music music like we're realizing like you can give yourself these little advantages by doing. I'm your motivating me to listen to my show. Listen to the radio because i'll say a line fine. Sometimes i'll tape a special and realize i didn't say the line right. I forgot the light right. Brian regan was gonna call one of his set. Somebody throw a tarp over me but he forgot to say somebody throw a tarp. I love that story. I have to say you can't say so so you know what that records called. Brian regan lives it was it was going to be called brian regan. Somebody throw a tarp over over may while ago. It's really all times one of the best. I used to listen to my i used to make my family listened to brian regan in the car. We would just like yeah my family loved him because he was so clean and like hedberg where the two that i did i with my in laws and my not my parents and mom didn't get mitch edberg though like i loved mitch ed maria <hes> brian regan and mitch head. That's really funny. What was the first <hes> well. I don't want to forget this and i won't forget to ask you about comedy. I learned from interviewing rogers. We got it. We got to get out of the way. Have you ever seen a u._f._o. Doc no oh man we're going to say yeah. Did he say yes. It's in the first ten minutes and i don't this isn't that it's sort of it's not a we're not trying to grab headlines but everybody was picking that up aaron rodgers side you're also but it's also just fucking interesting. Is there anything you're holding out. What i'm you know i'm no. I'm gonna goes never seen a ghost you. What about a pet that you're like. I think that pat is in the room. I have seen a pet in. I i always i'm very boring per. I don't there's not like it's not when you interview to me. It's not that i'm trying to hold back like cool stuff. Oh i don't feel you're holding. I just like i was like. Is there. Anything you've ever seen. Rogers happened to be wearing a hat hat for ancient aliens and that's how i knew so i've learned my lesson always ask the bigger guests for their weird shit. Okay in everything you were going to die. Have you ever that you're gonna die. Yes one time. I was in the ocean <hes> messing around like on a surfboard. There's during the lockout. I was in manhattan beach. What's the n._b._a. Lockout so they look at it for me. It's when youth group lock the doors and we spend the night in the gym in oh. I'm sorry yeah i i do. I wasn't invited so it was really yeah. I don't wanna say it was an unpopular kid but my church have a lockout lockout. Okay that doesn't make sense but only time it might work and i did the n._b._a. Lockout is where the owners and the players are at odds and they have to agree riyan better terms for their collective bargain agreement strike. Yes who was on strike. You players were on strike for what for better terms in yes yes a lot of things but yes caches big one. You talking shit on the court sidebar. You ever say how much money you make no. Is that yeah dude. I love it. There's an advocate. It's unspoken. You don't go there. It's too. It's it's not funny. I've never heard yeah. It's not good because like it's if i go you're only making this and then that guy comes down and like hit two shots in a row on me yeah. I just brought up some. You know what i mean. I might actually motivate them. Real bad you want it to be a little bit. Yeah almost david lynch ian you wanna susan weird shit the thing that i learned. There's a guy named tim duncan. Who's like one of the best power forwards of all time. He played for his antonio spurs. They wanna bunch championships tips when i got into the league he that was like the first moment where i was like. Oh my gosh. I'm about to play against tim duncan really i had this moment and i'll never forget it. I i was warming coming up and i turned and i saw him at the other end just stopped and i was looking at him and i was like oh. This is crazy. I've been watching this guy since in the n._b._a. Since i was eight years old wow wow so we're like playing in the game. He played till he was thirty eight. Wow all any they'll get. Yes still good <hes> till the end of his career started all that <hes> not he wasn't the same level at the very end as he was in his prime obviously but he was still good and he would do this thing. Where are you would like you know maybe you're lined up the free throw line next to him and he would look over at you and he'd be like not you again. He would say something where he was engaging you but he also very sarcastic too and i i love that and like he would just always mess with me and it always made me like man tim's a good guy go and now i try to do that because that's that to me is better than like seeing like some young kids check and be like try to hit him hard or like traveling we to like what other guys did to me. When i came in dare i say class yeah like he has some funny and it also he's showing right good that he knows he doesn't have to do that. Kidding gauge in by engaging you that way saying the money is that's desperate. It's not just hack. It's desperate you. You want to look like you don't need to brag. That's one of the weird things in comedy to is like the dynamics with the ball breaking the club's changes. When you get more clicks up a career ladder like like i've been fortunate enough to notice that you get a certain point certain guys like chris rock. We said chris rock if i see chris rock club and he does some desperate imagine if chris rock was like fifty million be like what the fuck is wrong with chris. It's like there's a level you you wanna be like what's his name the dunkin do you want to be like tim duncan and that's chris rock and if chris rock said you again it would be sir. Still you're making a joke. You're already demonstrating so many things. I'm not nervous yeah. I'm cool yeah. You're not gonna throw me. I'm having fun run. These are great things. Yeah see almost died. I was i was messing around the surface. I shouldn't have been the ways where like super hard and i came crashing crashing down and like i was under. I don't know how long i was under water for. It might have just been five seconds but it felt like eternity. Yeah and i was like you know when i was like trying to reach to to like feel the bottom or feel like my hand. Go on reaching reaching reaching out or i should've kept the mike reaching reaching reaching and couldn't find it and then and all the sudden finally when i stopped trying to the sex i finally landed on the bottom like my buddy hit. The hit the sand and i got my feet. I just pushed up as far they could not knowing how deep it was and got to the top and like was like gasping in just like when when when when like set down on the sand lake set their thought that's the closest i ever feel like goes i. I've also served a little bit harder for tall unbelievably hard so hard for the tall when when little people are like get outta here like about how hard is to lay down and stand up just that's right here on and that's what serving is that's serfaty laying and now stan and also bound like it's impossible thing that they like can the n._b._a. A or does the n._b._a. Ever go like like don't serve yes. I said they do that because i don't. We're not really allowed to sir. We shouldn't really surf like during the seasons yeah like we can't ride. Motorcycles bungee jump ski skydive snowboard. It's insurance it. Tom cruise like i'm sure tom cruise well. He's always doing it in a certain point. They have to be like tom. You can't play russian roulette. It's a lot of people's jobs. You're blowing away potentially away showering. Is it in contract. How often you shower you didn't pleasant to guard right yeah. That's true but also like who are guys that have attended to really go ahead and name some near labron now. They're definitely or like some guys with like dreads. That smell really big hair that really watch. I think i know that smell breath bad breath because you're sometimes you like right up close to people face to face yeah. There's a lot it's it's pretty intimate and you're just sweating. You're sweating. You're exercising each the other big little athenian something fenian. We were talking about the first time you were funny you you didn't. I was going to tell you that the first place one of the first places i was funny was believe it or not at basketball camp doing an impression of the coach and everyone everyone because i don't know i wasn't good at basketball. I wasn't bad either everybody. We were children but they were like they cheered and when pete get up and do it and i would do it. Actually actually that's a nervous that i did really bad job. Yeah 'cause i ten step yeah when you get put on the spot and i remember what i said and it wasn't that good. My brother was in the crowd. It was not a pleasant memory but it was necessary for me to realize that like life goes on you can bomb and everything's fine don't go but sh 'cause like like fucking. At least i try you sit on the ground. Exactly i'm up here exact doing various <hes> college in called the ball rolling and called the rim stan intrigue. You gotta bentley basketball key i. I miss that that's weird. 'cause you're professional. I thought maybe that maybe you tickets so after you were funny and did impressions with your family where did and then you move on to friends and then like i i remember like making videos with are my parents like giant video tape v._h._s. The the big one that was like you pony yeah <hes> problem up on books in the hit record scurry out of the room and come in and talk to somebody off camera the rewind. You know i'd have camera editing. Oh yeah yeah but it didn't come out to smooth that <hes> do we. You still have these. I don't think so man your dad watched back in iran smokey recorded a recorded like one of my games over. This is probably a better use. I've our time <hes> so i'll do that and then like around friends and stuff and then i started doing like do like commercials here and there and i only wanted to like really do like funny commercials. I didn't wanna like do get started doing these kia car commercials and i told him like when i went to meet with them. I was like i don't wanna do like the commercial -mercial where it's like every day so you know so and so gets that's the excellence that would require jon hamm voice yeah. I don't wanna the and they don't wanna do something funny and so we got to sit. I got to sit in the room and we got to come up with like the concept and i was like that that is funny. Yeah and i kind of started realizing that i was like there'd be four commercials. We had to shoot right now. It'd be like these three are awesome. Can we change this this one. I <hes> we love this. One like all right which shoot 'em all. The three that i loved. Were awesome were funny and like they turned out great and the one that i didn't was everybody's everybody's least favorite one. You know what i mean so i started realizing maybe not that. I just like things that are funny and i know what i think is funny. I don't necessarily think i'm funny person i. I think that i know what i think is funny. I don't know if there's much of a difference there. Is your name saying no. I feel that way when people say that i'm funny. I'm still sort of like what like i get. I make people laugh and i feel funny. I i've sort of gotten over that but for the first ten years i was like no. I'm trying to be funny. It's very different and i think i know what's what's funny. Discerning yeah like i think i can look at something. This is weird for me because i see people on mike. He's funny yeah. You know what i mean and i guess they you could feel the same way but anyways that's that's kind of how i started like doing this whole thing and then i you know i like. I met neal brennan longtime ago and i would just count. It's my chapelle. Oh calling neil impression phasing barman dyke. I do impression after he hears that <hes> aw i can't really do that's good. I was with neil in montreal and he got an ice cream cone. I said aren't you vigo's. I'm married. I'm not dead uh-huh. I love the all and you know what you might like about any of that. I like about neil talk about constructive criticism. He's the dude that just going to be like like what are you doing yeah. He's a little seinfeld helped me. He's ever since. I started doing stand up. He's helped me. He helped the most. Nobody's he's always whispering whispering. You're helping me find the impression. Nobody wants to hear about your your he goes. That's always the when he's about to want want to correct what i just said and when he gets into that i know he's about to say something good yeah. I got my pin ready yeah because i'll tell him. This is my joker. This is like the area to be and he's like you can do that and then he goes but this and then it's just a whole separate thought that i never thought about yeah and it just opens up a whole new yeah. It wouldn't be able to write without you know without help. I mean and also have a professional. Am i saying this right n._b._a. Career the national basketball the national basketball association p._s. We're getting better united universal known parcel. Oh u._p._s. u._b._s. U._s._p._s. ah yeah we got it <hes> and then what was the first time he did say that. You wrote some stuff with neil i or you tried it for. I did like this open mic like a poet like slam poetry thing. There was a part of like a thing that i had to kind of like record but i actually like when did it the laugh factory so the first time i really like went up and did it and then i kinda got that it's to do more than the next summer i did. <hes> just relax okay. Tell me about why why told me like why and i have my reasons. Why and i don't think any of them are embarrassing. What are you looking for that. You get from it 'cause i'll. I'll just show my hand. I like feeling feeling less alone if people here my thoughts and they laugh. I'm like oh you thought that too. I also love being. I like the feedback i liked the praise. I get a rush from the risk of it. Are you an adrenaline guy yes and also are you salving any sort of secret insecurity that you i mean i'm i'm insecure. I think like everybody else that. I have like a big like hidden thing i. I'm not even going for that jews but like when you come off stage. You probably feel pretty said risque dan. I guess the first time i did it. I was like i was terrified to do it. I came off stage and i realized oh i can do that. <hes> not like professionally as like as well as other people but like oh i did it and it was okay as as i guess what i i thought in my mind right i mean i'm still okay ryan. That made me more confident confident like as a person. It felt like i put another tool in my like things that i can do right helps me now because i have to go talk and so you know not necessarily give a speech but i have to like. I always have to be ready to say things like jimmy tatum and we saw that picture channing tatum of your what is that movie foxcatcher. Maybe has to go and do those features that part so brutal tim this and like that was something that i did not look forward not at all and now yes speaking out anytime i it's not that i love it. I know i can do it. Yeah and i don't need to like prepare that much. I'm going to be like okay. I'm gonna say this and maybe find a joke along the way and maybe i won't and that's okay but you found a way to make some of that. You have to do fun and easier i i can't. I'm now that i'm sorry i keep saying jordan but i can't picture him giving a speech yeah. I wonder if he ever found a way to like use one of the more like charismatic n._b._a. Yeah i've seen space jam. He's alright thoughts. I thought the other characters were a little the little more believable all my bad santa rosa joke when you're the least believable actor in space jam. Maybe it's not a review. <hes> okay all right <hes> yeah that's. I don't know why i keep coming back to. I think i really like i've always enjoyed watching stand up and i've always like i don't know as a kid. Did you watch the end up yeah and then. Did you always picture yourself being doing that because up there yeah there was a humble had to cross. I have to imagine there's a similar thing for everything that you do where i had to realize that i wasn't allowing myself to fantasize is about it like i was like. Oh that's for special people like driving in manhattan. I used to think everybody that drove in manhattan was a special person like they know where all the streets are and i'm like no. They're the same idiots. They took a wrong. Turn in jersey and now they're they're on canal street so i can do that too and so as it is with all the grades like at at some point prior and carlin scared open makers so a seinfeld and like these are regular people seinfeld talks about that. There's a pressure the first time you brought up as a comedian in your introduced as a comedian. You've never done this next comedian. You've never done it so like you. I found there was a real value in green lighting my ambition and my dream to myself so there was a period where i would watch prior seinfeld and cosby and all these guys i noted <hes> there is a cadre after we have i used to always people would always ask me about like what my interest from combat like. How i got started in mike in comedy. I would watch live with my dad. We watched the cosby show every night and i said in an interview and i just had to you know you can take that from me. I'm sure you guys all get press training. He just go like controversy noted not at all. I feel the same way we all feel that sort of burden that burden it's a small burden but like we feel the responsibility to you mentioned that we know that we're we're talking about complicated <hes> but yeah i would watch it like studying what they were doing but the problem is nobody watches watches tapes of open mic. Here's that's why it's so much more valuable to go and see amateurs yeah and study them instead of the best amateur because if you study a really really great great guy or a great woman you're going to go up and do what they did and that might not work if you're not performing for two thousand fans at our view when i was writing i <hes> my first set. I remember like being really frustrated with like. I thought i had all these things in my notes folder. That like just didn't come together other right. You know what i remember watching like stumbled upon this seth rogan interview where he was saying when he started doing stand up in canada he was like thirteen years old. He likes started riding and he came out and did all these jokes like bombed and he came off stage and what comedians said to like like your thirteen eighteen and he's like yeah. He's like right about thirteen year old shit. That's fun. I don't write don't write these adult jokes about going to summer like jewish camp or whatever and he said he went back and he like rewrote like i guess a bunch of stuff be around who was and it worked in like that's a made me be like why am because i thought like don't talk about basketball stuff and it made me be like why am i not talking about like just find a way to right. That's when neil comes in and goes <hes> talk about yeah basket yeah like people. There's a there's a game of of meeting expectations and betraying expectation so i would never ask you to do this. I think it's a bad idea but but you could go up never talk about basketball really chris gaines it right like garth brooks alter-ego filthy and he will be like wow. That's a choice but it's so much funnier to me like walk like for example. I look like a friendly guy so i lean into that most of the time and then every once in a while i'll do a bit about like you know saying hey my father-in-law. I fuck your daughter like really dirty but i think it's really fun and it's kind of going against the same thing. We're all doing yeah but i think for me. I think it was a good like less than not be afraid to like talk about basketball. I just have to make what i'm saying about basketball so basically everything whenever i talk about basketball it's like you guys are crazy for thinking that we are like cool and awesome as we are. Yeah people do and it's i. I've seen i've seen my eighteen eighty seven hotdogs before a game just because he forgot to set his alarm because he didn't know what time game started. You know what i mean. It's like my biz like we're. We are stupid people. We not like these people that we your are posters shouldn't be up in your bed is following us on instagram so so it's like you find i found i can talk about basketball but if i do it in the right way. It doesn't come across as like hacky. You're like right right. You just have to talk about it in the way that you that we're back at brian regan. You can talk about airline travel if you do it from a unique place and if you're doing it from who you really are it'll be unique. You can't help it. That's also a bill hicks thing the more you are yourself the more you're unlike anybody else because nobody's exactly like you know which is obviously obviously but i i think that super fun that you're finding a way to joke about it. Because if you didn't everyone would be very disappointed but it is weird like just because you're good basketball people project all of these values onto you. You know what i mean. It's like actors <hes> like because jonah reeves is i think kanter was actually a great guy but we use them as an example because he's such an awesome action star. He must be an also an awesome guy but that's what's so funny when we find out that they're like. You're doing some sketchy shit but basketball players after feel like that yeah. There's yeah i find that the guys is who are more likable on like social media and like more have their social media. We live more put together or the opposite and realize oh really. I mean that's so funny. I always feel like that. I guess i also say 'cause i just mike don't do that much on social media rate but you gotta like. I don't know i see guys in like just these set up like softball interviews and you like yeah of course they came across. Go sit down and talk for like. I wanna hear so. I want to hear you go. Sit down and talk for two hours right and not have like a thing where you're like. Can you edit that out. Yeah i mean whoops. That's the same way with comedians like you need. That's why this podcast is so long because it's the second hour right. It's interesting. Anybody can bullshit for an hour. Be like you know the coaches grain. The team is great. It's all about discipline on the second hour or somebody. We're not trying trying to trick anybody but you'll actually get to know them a little bit better yeah. So who do you hate. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. How we we always talk about the meaning of life on the show. I don't know do you know that. Are you familiar with the podcast and that way. I've seen i've seen episodes. I that it wasn't that it's it's more like i hope i'm not trick. <hes> surprising you mentioned that you were from the bible belt where you raised religious <hes> what christian what kind of christian <hes> when i say nondenominational nondenominational is a denominations like evangelical right yeah so it was like it was this church <hes> called life church which is now oh huge <hes> when i started going to it it was like one campus to <hes> to services on sunday and now it's like it's. I don't know the numbers now but it is china's scares me just because megachurches like just kit. It's not ousting levels. No not hosting level but it is. It's gotta be like it has to be like top three really i could be wrong thousands. It is yellow yeah realize like i wanna say probably like thirty campus and might that might be too low. Wow now but you were in. You liked life before it was cool yeah. I'm i'm a church uh-huh jesus before he was called the disciples. Everybody was talking about jesus when i like to you could tweet that i was into jesus before before he was cool hipster john the baptist. That's a hit tweet to hit tweet. Stay off twitter but why oh yeah you could. Nothing mentions is man. I'm the same way like during the season staff twitter. 'cause i don't wanna see the bad tweets. I would ask how you tune it out because that the thing that's different about your world. Is that like doc. Someone can have a second or third row seat and just yell and you can hear them the ability to go and you can't go back. You can't meet them yeah. <hes> i think that is <hes>. Do you have techniques so you breathing. Are you staying focused or are you trying to convert it into another look their way yup yep and then sometimes if like some players do though right oh yeah for sure for sure you really do they go in the stands and thep i gotta do watch awesome yeah really not that's happened like in the last twenty years it's happened once and it was a huge thing it was called the mouth of the it was actually the detroit pistons playing indiana pacers and like some guys win stands guys were fighting each other guys were fighting fans and like some guys got suspended for like sixty games like it was a huge huge huge deal the players that sort of instigated it by going in. There got suspended sixty game. I want to say maybe one for full season. I don't remember i know that name probably because it was one of the ones they like went up into the stands. He was like a big the court he went and laid down on like the scores table like kind of like you know doing like a thing and somebody threw a cup of beer from the stands in a kid him i was just it was already mayhem in on the court and like the arena and he just got up and went up in the stands and like win after this dude so he saw who was. I don't let face you make after you had an n._b._a. Player with the class of beer the beer and then he fought yeah. I don't think they actually really connected well but <hes> like nobody really got seriously injured. I don't think how can you be fighting when your hands like if you broke your hand you know what i mean like if the thing that made me funny was also the thing that i punched with. I would be gandhi. I'd just be like i'd only roast people. I'd just do and you could would you you get in trouble. If you verbally engage though right yeah guys guys will say something and they'll get in trouble sometimes sexy. That's part of the game like you'd think they'd be i again. I couldn't be more out of touch but you'd think there. There would be some sort of marshalling of like yet. Don't yell at the bears at the zoo and don't potent out that you guys are always feels like we always talk about like we who i do. That's how i feel on stage. If somebody's if somebody i remember somebody blue smoke at me in the early two thousand when he could smoke and i was like that felt like really lee aggressive and dehumanizing and there's nothing i can do because nobody even this is the worst part not make it worse for you but like nobody knows what you know. Nobody sees what usually like ted right to you. You're crazy person going after one guy. It's like a heckler. You heard him so anyway but you have to tune it out. I just never look look in that direction until maybe like the end of the game. If we're like winning or like any layman you kind of give them a look like that to me is like the boss but have you respond to do it more. Yes you know what i mean. You just give a little what now what now can can you do a three sixty dunk. Yes i can. I can't help many degrees. Can you dunk. I don't know really tried more than here's a real question. Shen at a certain point too many spend start to look like the ballet and they wouldn't like too many too many spins. It's hard to council so if you're watching the game like do you seem like a guy do like crazy one like five twenty or something like that. This is as a principal and magic. You don't want the magic trick to be too understandable. Yeah you want it to be simple enough that they go who spun twice right. That's exactly three spends you're like i don't know it might as well have been too. That's why i only do three. It does dunking. Put you in a good mood for real yeah like a really good talk. I don't like dunk as much anymore. I used to dunk a lot more now. If you were alone not in a basketball stadium and there was a ball. Would you dunk or does it hurt your hands. Now doesn't really hurt your hands but now i'd probably just like mess around like i probably don't want her to. How up like crazy ones just like you know just kind of go up and they just think it's funny if you can dunk and you're not dunking. That's an interesting choice but it's also like working on now in my later years working on the shot. The tougher shots are like the more interesting. Yes moore's stand up. Man yeah like that's like a maybe a dunk is like a one liner prevalent and now i'm like i really wanna like excavate the deeper corners of like you've been doing stanford twenty <hes> <hes>. How long have you been playing professionally professionally tenuous. That's about right you trying to get more interesting so anyway life church big church when you were a kid <unk>. How was god and everything explained to you and i'm only asking because i'm curious where you are now seeking. Just tell me where you are now. You can take me through what you thought and how it evolved or if it's the same. It's one answer. I still like the idea of believing in like somebody like god but god. I know what i mean. I got you i. I don't like really staples base right. It's not this isn't the part of the show where i'm like new rule blake. Hey griffin you believe in a god if you're going to shoot like that. It's not that you don't believe you can believe anything so you believe even got you like it. It serves you and like if you don't fine but like i like it and it makes me like it gives me something bigger higher power yeah. Do you know what i mean dude. There's psychology studies. Dr drew did this podcast and he was like i don't believe in god is was like i really wish i did because he's been with so many people dying and he's like the people who believe in god just psychologically. They're like here we go. I'm going on somewhere better. That's just one example but there's countless like tony robbins talks. I know scandal also acknowledged but he also talked about like having a higher power day to day moment to moment how you are in a coffee bean how you are in your car. How you are in a game how you're onstage changes if you just look at the world as if if you're a part of something bigger misery <hes> which is different than going like and we're all just here eating peanuts or whatever right and so i still i still believe that i have. I now like have such you like. I went to christian school growing up which one calling <hes> no no on like a grade school yet grade school it was it was k. Through twelve wow my school <hes> bible courses yes. Religious adler says so we would we'd have chapel on wednesday's. We'd have bible courses and learn about other religions as well because they wanted you to be able to refute out to refute. I was like oh cool. It wasn't like it was yeah. You ranked them from wrong to run. Just yes yes exactly. I i mean and that's fine. I mean that's so much. A part of western christianity is to defend <hes> how this one is true and how others aren't true. My issue now with christianity is i don't understand how how a religion that is following somebody who stood for these things in the bible you know they've talked about oh jesus would would he would eat with like the lep- the sinners of the cross last year isn't in yet in the bible. I'm not saying thing. This is my belief that in the bible or at least christians believe that say for instance homosexuality is a sin did but then you can't accept you. Don't get it why outright. Why can this person who you're supposed to be following. Do these things but you can't don't get me. You know what i mean. I i mean this is my favorite talk about. I'm just so put off by all that that like. I dunno i it's a bummer to say like but it just having grown up around all that and being immersed in it so much because you're not only sunday but monday through friday for me and again on wednesday going to chapel. I just don't understand how that makes any sense and that's only just one example. There's a lot of things can i go. I'll just put this to you. Maybe my greatest joy in life is realizing to me that would jesus saying and would all of the great teachers ears are saying all of spirituality boils down to you are not all of these transitory things that are passing all these false identities including your sexuality including your profession profession including your income including where you're from your family and it's like who you are is that in dwelling what we would call the holy spirit and the christian tradition shen the ottoman or the buddha nature that inward divinity. That's who you really are and jesus is going around saying look. It's not about who looks holy. Who's in the temple. 'cause i'm kicking it with these guys. I mean with these guys. I'm hanging out with mary magdalene all this stuff because he's trying to demonstrate that we're all in one thing together gather that there's one game happening and we're all equal beautiful dignified participants and we've taken that message jesus never came to create a religion he came to reform. He came to be a person but he reformed judaism. You're trying to correct some wrong thinking judaism. I'm not saying he was a jew. He was trying to change the way they went about. Being jewish that sounded antisemitic meant he went to change the way that he was jewish and how others were jewish in in the religious sense and that got turned into a religion because we can't it goes back to competition and ego wanna be the winners and we wanna prove that others are wrong and that's why schools are teaching you instead of what jesus would have done in my opinion. This is the <hes> the interconnectivity of these faiths were saying here's how to debate with these faiths to prove that they're wrong and you're right which is an ego trip who is proving who is wrong who is behind that debate. There's this there's this still quiet place in you you in you in me that has nothing to do with all of these identities and these words and these labels that we put on ourselves because all of that is passing away and that's what jesus is saying when he's kicking it with a tax collectors like you can't see past tax collector and you're saying the same. I'm all excited. You're saying the same mother fucking thing you can't see past someone's sexual sexual orientation that has absolutely zero effect on you right not not at all like again noted scandal uh-huh yeah we c k has the thing where he's talking about candle noted. We need a button loaded blake griffin originally the views of blake griffin do non. I'm gonna put you this. This bit bed. Basically is like are like are gay people trying to come up and like just fuck you all the time like you know what i mean like. No oh absolutely not right. I i can't really wrap my head around hating someone who has no ill-will well what always always happens. Somebody who's really really anti-gay what happens you know exactly and that is just crazy. That's not crazy. It makes sense but we can't love ourselves so jesus is saying love your neighbor as you love yourself loving yourself as a part of that <hes> letting who you really are being detached from all of those labels and those identities and getting in the real core of it but we can't do that so we're afraid and we're angry and we'd take out that fear and that anger out on it so the i've read the story about the there was a lawyer who predominantly fought against <hes> gay rights and it turned turn out to be gained. Yes like you could do anything you wanted. Yeah you could fight against anything and you chose herat and and you were were that i just i. It's an idea that other people probably made him feel that way he needed to do that. That's hurt people hurt people. That's it really is. Somebody taught that person hate them in most likely. I don't know this but i'm just assuming most likely it was through religion. Yes which i i just have a hard time saying that yeah. I'm this and i that's doing that to people well. That's why that is. Maybe the biggest passion of my life other than being mean payton eaten killing. What can i tell you. Actually what i love about. Roasts is if i'm making 'cause at rose. We make jokes that are racial. We make jokes that are like like certainly questionable when it comes to like i somebody i read a joke. It doesn't matter that i wrote it but somebody called jimmy car- gay doctor strange. Is it okay to call somebody gay no but like we're just sort of making fun of fucking everything and then you enter into the space where nothing is taken seriously or precious and then this this might just be me the more we tear down what i would call the false self so in a row supposed to respect you because you're famous basketball player and then. I don't don't isn't that fun telling but also you laughing at it. I'm being real. I think churches if they were funny would get a lot out out of roasting themselves roasting the pastor rosen the choir leader roasting because you need to richard rohr who i love and if you're down with jesus or jesus interested. He's your dude. He's incredible and he says the true self what i'm saying like your soul like the the quiet place. That's observing blake not that the thoughts story of blake but the thing that's looking at your is unaffordable. I'm like this motherfucker so when someone offends me that's where i see. That's where my work is. I need to let go of that. I'm taking myself too seriously. I'm being too precious. I'm being too in the world or or i'm being two of the world so i can be really actually spiritually helpful hundred percent because if you can make like dude i know some hard core mother mother fucking bad ass buddhists. You can't annoy them. Let alone offend them and they're just giggling. Buddhists seems like you know but buddhism is sort sort of the opposite of religion. It wasn't mean there's no deity yeah. You know what i mean. It's just being in this place right but it's a lot like waking breaking up to the idea that nothing is happening at sorta. Here's buddhism. Nothing's happening and that's freedom is when you just like. Why am i so like i feel like my dad right. Now is ignoring me because i think i heard his feelings because i didn't reply to attacks that hurt my feelings so i ignored it and i think he's mad at me and i get really caught up in in that and just go like i get buddhist about and nothing has happened and just try and find compassion for i'm not i'm not like buddhist or anything like that but i think as i've gotten older. I've gotten to a place where i things. Don't bother me quite as much and like. I love that because yes as i get to to that place. I feel better just every day. That's right like i i would always said this to reporter last year. He was doing kind of like an indepth thing came to my house listen. He was like you know. You seem like not happier but you seem more like just like aquatic. Yes i used to like you know i. I'd likes you. Try not to read things that people write about you but it's sometimes it's impossible so stupid twitter and instagram. I just on instagram explorer agency like a quote about me. Yeah you know what i mean. Somebody wrote watching random youtube videos and i'll be in them and i'm like this is fucking yeah. Yeah that could would have been a really mean thing pete holmes shit but i was just a guy on youtube. You must have that times a billion keep going right so and and now i've gotten to a place where if i see that i'm just like. I used to be like not talking to this person anymore. You know what i mean. In the way out is through do is like saying the game so hard becoming blake griffin so hard that you actually let go of it to freedom. That's what i think. The teachers is liberation and that's the most freeing thing is knowing that i'm pretty much. I'm in control of my feelings are maybe i'm in control of how i reacted. Attempts unit mean not necessarily my feelings because they were my holiday is is listening and he's gone that stoicism awesome and he and i have been texting lately and he's like the markets are elliot's was writing what they said in ecclesiastes ecclesiastes the book other by it's in the autism. That's it's just like everything passes and everything and that was marcus aurelius. He's just going like. I can't control the world. We're all doomed. Raw gonna die. That's also very buddhist thing like like they. They meditating cemeteries too like dwell on permanence because that's where freedom in. I'm mad about my dad's tax or just a simple practice. What were you mad about or anxious about a year ago. You can't even remember a week ago. It's just your brain really worked out fine and it's probably fine and your brain is just like addicted. It's like a mental illness like your brain takes over your being. You're not your thoughts. You're not your brain. You're not what people say about you. You're not even what happens to you. You're the thing watching that happened. In the more i can sit in that place and it seems like you're doing this. Whether or not you put this language to it. You're just not as affected and vats sexy that what people follow the half will write down and remember two thousand years later people like jesus. Would it'd be a good guy. I'm like no he wasn't. He wasn't about just be a good guy. Everybody as long as there's been people there's been at least a couple of being like just a very basic aw saying you're not who you think you are that electric. That's a lie in comedy gets at it and i think well you could tell me i feel like the more you become a celebrity. The more you realize that's not really you know. It's like this is like a story. There's like blake. Griffin the motto yeah i hear things about me that are wrong all the time right all the time and that might help you go step back and go. I'm over here <hes> it does that help. You and i also like now. Now i look for things i have a i have a hard time. You know when when you go to a talk show you know and and i'm sure you did before crashing came out or whatever it is. You know you had this to talk about john. I mean there's nothing wrong with that you. You have to go promote this thing insisting that you're doing you should you should but i have a hard time like going and doing things for that. You know what i mean like. I love. I love doing podcasts because most of the time in most the ones that i do like this one is just sitting here talking. I don't have something applaud. Raider isn't that freeing. I will be at the comedy store. Will you know joe possibly and like in this day and age are so much access to people everywhere that like your true person and personality will get out nope. That's right unlike that's why. I love doing this type of stuff. I there's another podcast that i do. It's like more of a sports when but every time i go do it i get such a great response bonds because it's just two guys that are very normal very funny and you just get to talk you. There's no agenda. You don't really have to center yourself too much as they're not there ready. Get me david. We're back just having coffee. You know what i mean like. I said there's a million so i'll keep it brief. I got along with montreal montreal and if i was just like do you wanna talk for two hours. Maybe you would like sometimes people hit me up and they're like. Do you want to just get lunch but so so rarely will. I do it but if i have a podcast it's fun. Let's kind of give it a game. Let's give it an engine. It's different. It's that the stakes are higher. It's more funding and then you get to do something. That's actually very lo fi in kind of a hi fi way. So what do you think happens when you died. You have any thoughts on that and i don't know where i don't care the finance or <hes>. I mean i you saw ghost. Ah maybe i do believe in aliens. I i again. I i personally like to think that i go to a place where i see my friends and family yeah. Do you know what i mean. I don't like thinking that when i die that's it boom. I just don't like it yeah and like again if somebody tells me that i'm not like your f you man you're wrong. You know what i mean. It's like i don't know but you have a sound like i'm in this place of like agnostic schism but i'm not you know it clearly that you're saying like you've you have an intuition you have a gut feeling is more going. I hope i do you hope but i also am not like oh yeah. That's this one hundred percent right and also it's because it's maybe it's not like <hes>. Everyone's version is different different. Do you know what i mean so if i say yeah there's a heaven like my version. Heaven might be different than like somebody else's rosalie having they might be thinking like clouds in like you know what i mean. It goes back to what what did the nineteen thirteen celtics listened to. You know what i'm saying like music is changing concepts of heaven or paradise or after change with with the culture like hell has stuck around just because fire such an old idea so we were like terrible places now we could be like i don't know i it would be like a japanese game show hosted by fish and we're just like i do. I would be our modern metaphor but what what what i hear you. You say i wanna go back to the place where your family and friends are. That is a beautiful symbol of we go back to the to the source to where everybody somebody dies i and again. These are just words. I'm like oh. You're a drop of ocean. <hes> drop of water going back into the ocean. That's one way of kind of talking about something. That's on talk about talk about a bowl. We could make that even more dramatic or theatrical and say blake goes goes back and there's his other dead friends the same <hes> the same kind of idea where you were loved that i can go speak to somebody one of my the best friends <hes> past twenty one and i like not a day goes by where i don't think like man. I wish i had said this <hes>. Do you know what i mean and i. I like to believe that like his energy. Yeah is there somewhere. I one day hill at least know exactly how i feel and like sure. Could i be wrong hundred percent. I'm not gonna fight anybody over. I'm not gonna get mad about it but like i remember and i'm i'm always kind of like weird. When i talk about this because i remember one time i was doing a interview with rolling stone magazine and <hes> this guy was like you know he was talking about. You love comedies yeah. We were like joking around and he's like oh. I love this guy. We're talking about funny or die and like all this different stuff and then he goes <hes> i read you. You were raised christian. I was like yeah so how do you think the earth is and i go. Oh i don't know <hes> so we talked about home schooling and then he was held. Do you think the earth is and i was like oh <hes> <hes> i learned math for my mom. I don't know six thousands. I said something like a joke. It was like it was like a it was basically saying thing that i don't believe that the earth has been around for millions of years yeah and i remember i sounded that way or is that what you meant i set it brushing shing over the question is so like but it sounded like you were saying icy and the way it came out the way he wrote it kind of cut out my joke up up top and like of course a good joke but it was just like a stupid joke. I mean i came out. I love came out as i salute you better. Even though you were just talking about my you know i know i know i came out. It was like basically i'd that i believe there was two thousand years whatever and he pulled lost their minds. I can't believe you this big of the f. Ing idiot like i thought you were cool like yeah always stuff and i it's. It turned me off so much from ever talking about this they like i. That's a trap question. You know what you mean yeah for sure and it worked. It worked because they got picked up everywhere. It's cornering something that should be eh mystically delicious like lucky charms. It should be engaging and interesting and personal and hard to talk about but then we turn it it into do you think this and then why do we want you to think that or not so we can judge it which is just more thoughts which is playing the jerk off game like do you think i think the only thing that and then we can all play our thoughts and we exist more from an ego plays. I exist more because i think you're so wrong when spirit in my opinion and is so past that exit that we don't even we don't even drive on that road like we stay in the debating teasing judging ridiculing ruling. I just did something where i felt like. The intent was to make fun of flatter thor's and i was like can we just like i'd like to talk to a flatter at there and just be like i understand your suspicion to not take anything at face value because we're soaking in a misery and i understand that comes out in the sort of weird way but i'd rather join us in your what the fuck is is just general unsettling nece that we woke up in a fucking mystery mystery rather than getting off jerking off and going like you're stupid. You're stupid so that i can exist so my false self can exist more loudly oudlay in more proudly when that shit is fucking dead to it's all dead what lasts what's real beyond all these opinions and these can click click bait blake. Griffin thinks the world and for the record. You don't just gave high <hes> <hes>. I always think it's weird. How like you know politics and religion not supposed to talk about those two things. <hes> politics has has an effect on people. <hes> you know what i mean like you. If you believe this if you vote for this you're you're. You're seeing that now than ever exactly exactly he used to be. Don't talk about it because i don't wanna roughly over your feathers about taxes right. You know what i mean like. Oh i think you should be taxed on people who can get got gotten who who is put in cages all that shit religion doesn't yeah religion cannon when it gets <hes> mobilized used yes but i'm saying like me and you sitting here. I am saying that's way down the road. I hear what you're saying. We we can talk about it. We should talk about it because it. We need to learn how to not in your school learn how to debate and put down but learn how to tolerate and have compassionate and say just like to a flatter third so if i could talk to somebody who's you've been saying that this whole time if somebody's an atheist or they believe this that's okay that's such a different that that to me feels like evolution. That's evolving spiritual and i feel like if you say you don't you don't believe in god or anything like that. Having the conversation about debate go oh sir aliens shouldn't feel like the same thing due to them right so if i say yes and you say no. Are you going to get pissed. Talk about it. But why do you get pissed off. When you say yes about yeah and i get it because people are being mobile people are being radicalized changed or your however. You want to call it well when we look at certain parts of the country where people are killed because they're gay or women are but we're talking about western modern the religious discussion totally. I don't know and that's what i'm trying to get. That's maybe the point of this podcast is like usually i say do you believe in god people say no and then we start talking about the phenomenon of consciousness of life existing and that's just another way of talking about the same and i'm like you said i'm just being about discussions. You know what i mean. You should be able to have that conversation and not walk away like really being pissed off or like completely agree my weird. I'm i'm judging my own faith. The way that i had my faith was weird and it didn't quite line up with my heart or my intuition and the way that i kept it alive for a really long time was not engaging conversations so i had penn gillette on the podcast. I never would have wanted to talk a pendulum. We used to say in church if you're standing on a table and somebody's on the ground. It's dangerous to try and pull them up to your table. They'll it's it's easier for them to put you down but that was just a way of being like don't engage with other people because your ideology is fragile. I say let it all in when you're ready. Let it in and a little bursts in and you can handle it and everything will be fine. It will aw you'll be okay it. Will your mom might think you're weird and your data. Thank you ignore him. It is okay but you guys will reconcile my dad thought about texting a picture of me and you and and it would be over yeah. Oh yeah let's i would be honored to the part of part of the healing. Oh my god that is using your gift uh-huh for peace about peace mental attitude well we talked about god and then it gets heavy so we always end and you feel good first of all check if you'll get about the second of all <hes> what is the hardest time you've laughed in your life hardest laugh you've ever had at one point. I never say it right but everyone knows what i mean. Yeah i know right away. Gosh i forgot this <hes> boy. I'll let me take some pressure off. Although you do perform well under pressure. I've been been told i have to imagine a basketball game is pretty tense and you do pretty well. I've been told couldn't be bothered to watch even a highlight. No i didn't want to. I told you i did that rogers and it made me more nervous to talk show. I'll watch clips today and i'll go. I can't believe i was talking to take pressure off of it. I'm not looking for a great story. Just wh how old are you. Where are you who you with. Here's some clues is did someone fart. It's you did someone fall. That's whenever whenever that was the first thing that popped into my head. My best one is i. I made val laughs so hard she fired and then we both died. I think this is the afterlife because i think we barry hotel in new york and i tripped. I had my pants around my ankles. I was coming out of the bathroom. I had my underwear on. I was just doing like a funny. She loves funny dances. She laughs archie farted and she's she's still kinda cute and tries not too far in front of me so we collapsed and every time i meant that hotel i think about buying a teddy bear and i think about that moment. Yeah you know they're. They're always n._b._a. Players back. I love that that's i love that hotel. Exclusively stay there good food <hes> and they're always autograph. People and my brother used to be an autograph guy own really so. I hope you're nice to those guys. I am as long as they're like doc said well yeah respectful <hes>. I was gonna say when i was in seventh grade eighth grade. We are over <hes>. This girl's house in my grade was like mean four my good buddies and we were sitting there watching movie. The movie ended and we're all. I don't even know how we got on the subject but like i i think one of the girls moms was like like who can put their leg over their head. You know like one of those and my boy was like oh i can it was right over his leg. Got it and it was like wow my other friend sitting on the other side of him reached over and gave his leg alone and it was i was just just the just the perfect the perfect part like he pulled the fart foot. He pulled point. You know when you pull a finger like the perfect. He pulled that leg met. We lost it. I couldn't stop laughing. I i felt so bad for my friend because he was getting so red horse. He was so embarrassed. He left walked home. That's the right move and junior high your one far away. That's what i said said today. She's like you're one fight away from annihilation social death and we laughed about that for so long and that's when he comes out to visit me. We still talk about of course you do. It's great to because he was high status. He was widowed. Oh yeah he had his foot and he was like look. I'm the king all jude with a gentle all all of his foot picturing a shell toa dida. Wow it might you might be right. I mean we're similar iraq and shows that i won't forget that is so good. What was his name. What's his name check him. He won't mind his name's justin hitchcock ahead one of my best friends still to this day. I love you hitchcock. Thank you for that gift. Dad's a pastor in in oklahoma city. No kidding great love africa. That was one of the jokes i did. I didn't do about you. I was like blake <hes> it's it's. It's not the right context. I'll tell you off my it's not right. It's it's so sweet joke. Thanks so much for doing it you. He's forty five blake's from oklahoma. That was so fun. I'm so glad we did that and i'm so glad we did. This is nothing to promote. It's not a little pissed to promote know. When is the new season of n._b._a. Star check me out this season ninety seven. How many episodes are you. I i got we got eighty two this year episode see that explains it man. I did three seasons. That was twenty four episodes. That's third of a season of basketball and there's so much footage of you doing stuff. That's very impressive and its production every time it's crazy. It's like a whole in chris rock but i realize it's like people are putting on shows. We're doing like little concerts every time we play yeah. It's really stupid. You're i mean that is the easy level is it's like a seinfeld area. It's like the ball doesn't have to be in there because you're elbowing noses. Leading people are jumping in the stands beers on them. The ball doesn't have to be there. It's just made up but everything is so it's fine. There's your buddhism why not play everything's as man why not play. That's what my daughter's name means. It's the play of the universe the dancer the play and that's what this is. That's what we're doing right now. Saw all dance. It's all leila baby except you get paid so much money right if he had us estimate hashtag dreaming away like i'm so honored that you did this man thank. You can't wait to see you do more kami anybody that gets a chance to see them. Go see him and <hes> and i also basketball sometime news also kenny palmer. I'm just kidding. Okay we gotta go. Would you keep it crispy. That's how we end. Yeah keep crispy. I should say fifty crispin. I'm so crispy.

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Live with Guy Online: Susan Griffin-Black

How I Built This

13:13 min | 4 months ago

Live with Guy Online: Susan Griffin-Black

"Hey everyone so as some of you know we've just started a new series of conversations on facebook live where each week. I tucked founders entrepreneurs about how they're dealing with the new normal that we're all living under now and we hope these conversations give you a little jolt of him during these otherwise difficult times now in case you missed these conversations live. We're going to be posting excerpt right here. Every Thursday in your podcast feed and today's guest is Susan Griffin black founder of EEO products eeo makes a whole line of body skin and hair care products. But since the cove nineteen crisis. They've pivoted to pretty much only making hand sanitizer and hand soap. Which is why. Susan wasn't at home when we talked to her. She was actually in her office in San Rafael California. We are excluded employer. Because we're making only hand sanitizers and and so and so what that means is two thirds of the people are working from home and who is here on. Two ships are all the people who make our products skill our products and ship our products such support positions like quality control and and so forth and then senior leadership Depending on our situations we've been taking turns Just coming in and making sure that people are okay so we have every safety protocol in place and our main concern is that people are healthy and safe. I mean after all. We're making hand sanitizer that that's our job here and we are finding a other than being Dealing with these unsettling times and being overwhelmed with demand that we are united in. A sense of purpose is daunting. Sometimes you know what about your other product lines have you kind of just frozen. Those and focused focusing primarily on hand sanitizers and soaps. Yes we devoted production to mostly hand sanitizers supported by. Hanso and we're working on other relationships with twin contract manufacturer that we have been in relationship with for a long time to see if they can help us out. You know joining these terms. Susan obviously Super Uncertain Times for a LOT OF BUSINESSES. A lot of founders. Who The show. I've been in touch with I've talked to a lot of Small Business Owners through social media. People are really worried. People are really freaking out especially in companies and businesses. Where you know you need human to human interaction First of all it sounds like right. Now your your business is doing fine. I mean maybe strangely even better than normal well I would say. There's a certain amount of stability that comes with the increased demand and in a more orderly way because we know what we're making a lot of times you know we are forecasting the best we can and this is a to a very unique situation where we just can't make enough to meet the demand. It's daunting we are staying there flexible to the need because it became obvious six weeks ago. That if we're not getting hand sanitizers to Tristan responders that what are we doing? Like you know you've got pallets on trucks you've got tons in warehouses but they're not you know it's not where people actually need it the most so we just keep thinking reallocating and responding as intentionally and consciously as we can as needs arise as we just redistribute products. Right do do you By the way in terms of your employees because people have to come in to work at the plant to make hand sanitizer to make soap How how are you sort of? Maintaining you know health at workplaces. This is from from Lanny Cathy. She's asking that question right. So there's a daily check in and check up there sanitizers everywhere. And of course. We're observing social distancing. We just ordered class masks and of course in compounding. Everyone wears masks and goggles. All of the time everyone has hairnets on so it's really enforcing and modeling but it is that we can all do to help each other through for sure by the way have you. Have you had to ramp up hiring too? I mean have you had to bring on additional help. We have an production so one of the things we did was reallocated. Some people who were doing some office work and they are now doing ecommerce shipping and then when we need help it production. It's we try to make it as internal as we possibly can so but we have been hiring Susan in terms of like from from a business standpoint be alluded to the supply chain challenge and that is probably GonNa pose increasing challenges because you rely on on getting lavender and oils from from all over the world where you you know you source them from very specific places. So how do you begin to plan for the possibility of supply chain disruption with with Your Business? Yeah it's tricky. This simple answers as best. We can by being in touch with our primary vendors and just trying to project as much as we can and also we've committed to quadrupling our inventory in certain items as quickly as we can you know. We're we're just all working together from our lavender's afire and are you know sugar-based alcohol supplier in Brazil and there's a lot of logistics. Fda has tightened some of these rules temporarily. You know so. Distilleries are making hand sanitizer. But it's not really a part time gig right this question from Zach. I'm from Philadelphia. What is the current state in the in the future outlook for supply chain of the alcohol? Used in your hand sanitizer. You mentioned Brazil. What's the outlook for the alcohol? I mean this. Is there a possibility that we may find ourselves in shortage of that ingredient? I don't think so because we have so many There are a lot of variations on the scene. The quality that we've been working with prefer have procured over the past. Twenty years has been you know organic alcohol from sugar cane in Brazil and we were probably one of the first ones in the marketplace to us that there's also non GMO corn alcohol. That's available then there's plenty of GMO corn alcohol available in this country. So it's a matter of the quality of ingredients and not everyone wants the alcohol but we used because it's it's more expensive Susan. This is a question from Leeann in San Diego. She she's asked Given that you've really ramped up production on hand sanitizers. Have you found a way to give it to frontline? Health care workers to To may be maybe even make it available for free too gasol working on the front lines needed to all of the emergency rooms and the lease the firemen and then now we are providing sanitizers to the local governments and we donated two hundred thousand hand sanitizers to lift in the beginning so that their drivers were safe and people who were in cars were safe and also you know I are. We have one little store in Mill Valley in occurred to me that. The market's close by can't get hand sanitizer because they go through a distributor so leaves. Our warehouse on a pallet. Goes over here? I got you know so I would. Just stand outside in handout. I just went to every supermarket and gave every checkout person. Hand Sanitizer Take it with me. Every restaurant takeout place. You'll see our sanitizer. I've personally given families that I see walking down the street so as much as we can help in giveaway and donate we are like on the ground doing a. Here's a question from Shauna in Miami. Which is really kind of an interesting question you know. She says She's seeing a lot of people with kind of a lifestyle change. People are trying to You Know Kinda. Keep their immune systems Strong and I don't know I mean I mean is there. Is there a world where you can imagine that That actually everything that happens after this is everything will change even the way we we sort of our own personal approach to to health. I do think that realize our priorities in a much more human in healthy way by slowing down and quieting down and not moving around so much that we're so much less distracted so I do think people will take heed and try to figure out what it is that has heartened meany and can't take your health for granted and clean hands will be like brushing your teeth. So it's It's a real wakeup call a global wakeup call. I Know Susan. I WanNa just talk a little bit about Kind of the thing that you've really been focused on throughout your career Which IS SELF CARE? Right which is not always easy for everybody and normally were so busy. You know we we get up and we. We've got these busy days and most of us spend an hour twitter homes every day because we're out of but but now we're all in. What are some things that you think people could do? I mean I just give you one quick thing that I've been doing a drink. Coffee like all like ten two cups of coffee. A day but I just stopped drinking it because it was like tightening my anxiety. Coffee makes your heartbeat right. So I've just been drinking tea and it's been great. It's been really great. What are kind of some self care things because a big part of what you do is make essential oils and personal care products yet. It's GonNa. It's so difficult and I. I think that news fast for sure extracting yourself from that taking a break going outside getting fresh air having a cup of tea not while reading emails sitting still really for five or ten outside. Also I learnt to meditate Easily when my son has now three three was to in the bathtub. Because I found that. And this is especially for you know when your kids home schooling. You know hot water is really good Madison. Any anytime and it's accessible. So even if you take a few drops of eucalyptus or lavender put it on the shower floor. Close the door. Put a towel under it and make sort of a little steam room sitting there for a little bit. Turn the water down. Take a shower. It just it. It changes everything and just getting outside for a ten minute. Walk move you know. Inhaled fresh air. I was saying to someone if you just took a sample of ten plants. That are in your front yard that you don't know what they are. It's really good family exercise to just say. Oh this is you know Rosemary and this is just sort of getting a little bit more in touch with sense of place. We have a small geranium plant on our back porch We've been using it to make T- just pouring water geranium. I've learned that I it was amazing. All right thank you Susan. I hope to see you soon. After this after this somehow fixed virtual hug virtual hug guess that Susan Griffin Black Co founder of eeo products. We're going to be putting these online conversations in your feet every Thursday in hosting the actual conversations every week on facebook live this Friday April tenth. I'll be live with tristen Walker founder of Walker and company. He'll be talking to me about his skin care products and bevill the razor that his company makes and how they're dealing with the situation bring questions for me and Tristan Walker on Friday April ten. That's twelve noon eastern nine. Am Pacific at facebook dot com slash. How I built this. You don't need a facebook account to watch and if you WANNA find out more about our live conversations or other virtual. Npr events go to NPR presents. Dot Org thanks for listening. Stay safe and we'll see you next week. I'm Guy Rise and you've been listening to how I built this.

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Griffin Thall: CEO and Co-Founder of Pura Vida | #ThePlaybook 174

The Playbook

17:01 min | 7 months ago

Griffin Thall: CEO and Co-Founder of Pura Vida | #ThePlaybook 174

"On this episode of the playbook I have griff that's right Griffin Vall CEO in co founder of Vita Bracelets and. He has an unbelievable. We'll story on how he turned a simple vacation. Purchase into a multi million dollar business. Join me for all of this and more on the playbook this this is entrepreneurs the playbook each week I bring you some of the greatest athletes celebrities and entrepreneurs to talk about their personal and professional playbook playbook to success in what made them champions on the field and in the boardwalk. I'm your host and CEO of Sports. One Marketing David Meltzer Dave Meltzer with the playbook and I am really excited because they have a real entrepreneur. When I say that you'll see the journey but we have griffin thought he is the the CEO and founder of pure Avi fabrics lists from Costa Rica originally He's not bracelets are I'm going to get into this because a lot of people try to do. Do what you've done and that's why I really wanted to have you on your because I love people that have great ideas. I love people that have seen great ideas but those those are innovators in my mind and true entrepreneur can take a great idea execute on it and take it all the way through to even an next it which you guys have recently had As well a multi million dollar business and it all started on a trip with a friend. Is that right. Yeah how did you discover pure via bracelets so we want to serve chip in Costa Rica after graduating from San Diego state. Me and Paul my current business partner and best friend We you know we meant these guys on the beach making bracelets by hand and we walked up to their little table and bought a couple and then the next day went back to our table bought a couple more and then the next okay. We look down at our wrists. And we're like. Hey I think we sell these to our friends and family back home and bring these guys more opportunity. When you bought like two hundred dollars worth I think right? Yeah like four hundred bracelets in the end end of it. They were stoked. The people on the beach will probably completely excited that. They sold that many react. I mean they never saw probably more than fifteen or twenty a day so so what were your aspirations. You know beyond obviously selling those bracelets did you get when you're surfing down in Costa Rica graduated from College. What did you think the next steps? We're going to be for a career to be honest. We didn't know we were gonNA Polish off our resumes the day we got back right off. Your definitely interrupted that process. But we're glad glad I did so. I think anything with being creative. I've always been into graphic design and website design and stuff like that so I feel like if it wasn't pure vida then then maybe a different product but I feel like you know the timing right place right time meaning Hora and Joaquin with Paul was just it was very magical and through that magic though it takes execution Houston. What year was that when you met walking guys two thousand ten so nine years ago? You're an overnight. Success Nine years is beautiful anyway. So do you have this product and you get back. What happens so we come back? We didn't really know what to do. So we business license figured out taxes Built a website. Watch youtube videos trying to sell the inventory that you bought or you're going to sell. I mean we weren't released to sure We see no. We gave it to our friends and family like right away so you gave him away and got feedback spilled on my bedroom floor for about a couple of weeks and people would come knocking on a door texting us saying hey like you got those bracelets from Costa Rica. We're yeah so they come over The grab one and then in a couple of days later they come back. Say My sister really wants one can have another one and after doing this for about two weeks the four hundred bracelets were gone. Okay so oh we emailed a whore. Hey and he didn't write back for ten days so during those ten days we were just tripping. We're like all right. We gotta we gotta find a real job like this it. We made a couple of grand. You know that's it pretty much Yeah after that he wrote back after ten days and he said we could play some other order. Oh very cool. And so that's when you started building the website getting the business license etc correct. Yeah and what type of inventory did you start with when you bought that I next order the first batch was about a thousand one thousand and you just financed yourself cash. Yeah just from the I go down to Costa Rica to see any facilities for quality control or just I mean we're talking about two guys on the beach it it was just it was just two guys making it in their bedroom. The same like me and Paul working in my bedroom so there wasn't really a need for some big thing like that. I get him in bill. I mean Basil Okay so started in his garage bookstore online. And so you utilize what you learned in college that Marketing Skill Building Websites digital the marketing. All of those great city state business background. And how long did it take until you had what I call a real business until you guys were making you. Would you would have made getting job. I'd say after about four to six months We started to make enough money to pay rent Make a little bit of profit where we could afford our own office office and then once we did that we hired I employed helpless with talking the bracelets and in the first four to six months. Your parents out of college you came back from a surfing trip did either set of parents. Thank God you guys you know. You're just delaying the inevitable. This cockamamie story about celebrates lids. I mean I think they still think for crazy. You proved as Okita thing as crazy as I don't like the word sacrifice I use the words you investing in yourself those first six months. What type of investment did you make in yourself to make to make this business run? I mean we had to risk not getting a job you know so you know whatever we valued our salary was definitely well under what the salary could have been if we had a full time job but we knew that we had to kind of be very scrappy and figure out a way to the top and just kind of you know. Climb our way up there So I think after doing it month after month and realizing that there is a demand for these products we were selling out its customers emails for more our friends up in La and family. We were like hey. Can you send me about you. We don't have that many so once. We started realizing that we hit the ceiling of demand and supply every single week. There was a business so bad in. How did you I mean I'm looking at it? As a business person myself as an investor as someone who deals with literally thousands of businesses. I'm still not getting how you transferred over to have the supply in order to evacuate the demand you know with the quality control. Your products are extraordinary. And they're still just two guys working out of their house in Costa Rica. How'd you make that transition to have the time I mean distribution what three thousand retail stores now or something? Yeah it's crazy. How crow that side of the business? I I get your expertise in marketing and the website. Right we can all sell product it. That's good yes and you know obviously at the rise because people enjoy anyone to buy more but I I saw the big hole. If you came to me as an investor Dave I need supply. You'll give me some money to invest in my company. I'd be seriously worried about getting bracelets from Costa Rica from two guys is out of their bedroom. Yeah I mean at the beginning. You know. We didn't really know we don't really know what's going to happen. So Horn Joaquin. We're just making braces for us to make their friends than their friends. Hard are their friends and it just became this place to work where people just wanted to work and they had a culture just like ours here in San Diego and really you know breeded that in. Did you guys opened the facility in Costa Rica. So it's it's completely their company it's their facility and we basically by the products from them and how big is their company now so they have about six to seven hundred employees there my God and would they part of your exit deal that you just recently did separate separate so the valuation. I believe leave. His public of the of the deal was one hundred thirty million dollars. Yeah is that correct. Yeah it's crazy and somebody bought seventy five percent of that hundred and thirty million from you to take it even to the next level which most people listening probably don't know but what happens. Not only does he have liquidity and the exit which is genius for Griffin is my best friend and neighbor Would you always want to have as many rich friends as you can't. Moreover I always liked the the leftover twenty-five percent because it tells me that with the assistance of a bigger company and deeper pockets that that twenty five percent will probably be with more than you exited from the seventy five percent which is what most people don't realize. They think they've hit the end. Now you staying on Ah Full on staying on board You know we love our company culture in the Hoya you know Paul and I love the brand. It's never been growing faster than it has been so we're excited sided to Kinda like take this to the next level with a new partner. What was the biggest challenge you know scaling a business from literally two guys in a room here air two guys who Costa Rica to multi million dollar business? What was the biggest challenge that you faced? I'd say logistics and operations. You know we had the marketing stuff dialed eld. You know we were selling to our consumer ourselves. Basically we know how we knew how to get the word out online but then you know every time we hit a roadblock always went back down to logistics operations fulfilment supply chain. You know they're all made by hand They're made with scissors and candles. No machines still still. Yeah which is crazy. Yeah was whether six or seven hundred and how. How does the pricing change? They'll give me the actual cost of goods but percentage wise you know from those first bracelets. How percentage wise did did the pricing go now they do thousands and thousands of bracelets? Yeah I mean the price our cost to them or sorry art. The price that we pay per visit from them has not changed that. Squeeze them out West. We haven't tried to maximize or try to get more money out of them The way that we kind of benefit on our end is we try to make products that have you know more detail on them so they've beads or the braids braids or they come in a pack of five bracelets and that's kind of our way of maximizing the business as opposed to squeezing it out on the bottom line that's awesome as far as philanthropy be goes. You know. I'm a capacity capitalist and I've been to Costa Rica so I know what that means to the economy to have employed sixty seven hundred people to build an industry down there As an extraordinary impact. But you guys also do a lot more than that as far as philanthropy go. I think it'd be enough to say like. Hey we're you know have developed entire economy down there and supported all these people but what are the things. Are you doing to give back because you are very the company I mean yeah it will sell. The products are handmade between Costa Rican. All Salvador we have two big operations but in terms of the charitable part of our business We've donated over two million dollars to our charity partners and that's the sales of different bracelets on our website. So for example this started out when one customer said. Hey you know my mom's breast cancer I would love to donate or support that 'cause through a bracelet and we said okay we'll figure it out so month later. We put a pink bracelet on our website donated percent of that charity. And basically. That's how the charity Collection was born. Have you ever had collection for like Gratitude bracelet or you know some sort of theme like that not really. Yeah now we're talking. Let's get it going to stoppable foundation gratitude Dave meltzer gratitude bracelets. Yes the attitude of gratitude. All right we gotTA deal working here. That's good Now it's interesting because you're probably around thirty one somewhere. There are thirty two. You got a lot of life left right. I'm fifty one years old and I could've retired when I was thirty one as well in fact I did when I was thirty. Five which was a huge mistake. You want people to understand the perspective in your relationship with money You know obviously this is a really big deal your exit changes. Everybody's lives around you. But what's your perspective. You know being a thirty two a year old and saying okay. What's next for Griffin? I mean I think for me knowing that I did get a lot of cash. Obviously but it's about protecting it. Preserving hit helping her up helping out our families But also doing anything. We can with charity as well And I think right. Now our focus is purely on the business It's about growing the business it's about. How far can we build pure vida with the help of our new partner And I think that's kind of how I view it. We've never been people to just take money and spend it on bottle surveys accelerate every single night of the week. I mean that's never still serving still serve every day as much but I feel like that's kind of that's our celebration is surfing traveling with our friends and family. It's not about. Yeah exactly that's awesome Expansion now so you have you know quite brand quite a following. You obviously have some a bigger and better partners to help affects what you WanNa do is their different lines of products that you want to move to now that you have the support of your partner I think right now we I just really want to focus on the jewelry category It started off to says one skew. Silver wavering and that was Interrupting a bracelet brands. You know. Essentially and now jewelry is about thirty percent of our business And it's been growing more and more every year so we feel that investing resources into different rings necklaces earrings and anything that has like precious. This metals and stones is the next chapter for Vida. It's interesting because I see the display here and a lot of places you're doing well and executing on retail what's the percentage retail to online online is about seventy percent ash and then our hotel businesses about thirty. And do you see that changing in the next ten years Potentially I mean we've always been such a fast growth E commerce brand. I'm so depending on how far we push the ECOMMERCE or how many more doors we open up each year. It just depends pens on you know which is Kinda be being demanded more But our customers are shopping everywhere the shopping on their phones. They're shopping at the local gift store. They're going into tilly's so it just kinda depends like where our our customers buying and we just have to continue supporting that inventory. That's awesome one of the biggest questions. Is it entrepreneur. Now you know with V over by twenty twenty seven over fifty percent of the Berbie freelancers Entrepreneurs like yourself. What's your perspective on college like? I'm a big fan of state. I would say grew up around there. I would've went there if they let me play play football But looking at me you know they don't actually want to win We had Marshall Faulk here by the way you loved it literally yesterday so But moreover what your perspective is someone that went to college got out started a business probably more on the pragmatic side. What's your philosophy? As we or advice you would give to. Someone is college worth the money. I think it's worth the money. Because the connections we belts we started college. And you know right right right off the bat we were in the dorms arms from their manpower both in separate fraternities and I feel like that kind of challenge us to get out of our skin become like a natural leader and now work with as many people in fraternities and sororities awardees as possible. So the first thing the first thing we did when we got back from Costa Rica was go to the sororities and fraternities sat up in front of Chapter Meetings and talk about our story so I think that if we didn't have that connection knocking on the doors to approach them would have been a little bit different very cool last question. You know obviously extremely successful blast and gracious. Tell the you still have the perspective of how lucky you are even though it took a lot of hard work. Grit and risk What do you think your superpower is so you know what the difference between us four guys that started this business? And it's not just you rated to call for review but you know what that superpower that you have that you think made the difference reference to become a multimillionaire by the time thirty two and build discrete business I think I'm very motivated. I'm very good motivator of other people I'm very ambitious creates creative. I'm very creative since day. One I've always just been finding a way to kind of tell a story through photograph. That's kind of been my thing so I think as long as we continue being like that and I could have that fire I think is going to continue to grow as do I and I look forward to work with you on the day. Milton gratitude briefly for charity. By the way of it. I would love to do that anyway. You are like the Classic Entrepreneur and what a pleasure to have you on because I think you know we've had footballer famers and baseball players. There is an extraordinarily you know billion dollar. CEO's tillman fatigue but you are who. I think everybody really wants to hear from because this audience. It's really wants to identify and believe that. Hey I can take a great idea and execute on it and that to me is what makes America and capitalism soul. Unbelievable all that someone like you sir. From San Diego State can end up on top of the world the world of business and this is just the start so I can't wait to watch your back and see the future appreciate what a pleasure Griffin to have you on Griffin Thal. Co co-founder by the way of pure evita bracelets and jewelry with Dave Eight meltzer's entrepreneur. The playbook by hope you enjoyed this week's episode of the playbook as much as me on a personal note. I just wanted to thank everyone for making the playbook books such a success. Don't forget to continue it by sharing subscribing and listening to your favorite episodes this day Meltzer with the playbook.

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Real Estate Investing - Griffin Capital Asset Management - with Dr. Randy Anderson

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Real Estate Investing - Griffin Capital Asset Management - with Dr. Randy Anderson

"Here it comes again. Lunch will be the same old same old or you ready to take a vacation from the ordinary with the new Jamaican Jerk Turkey sub at firehouse subs freshly sliced smoked Turkey breast crave ably sweet mustard sauce and a hint of Carribean seasoning just five fifty five remedium save time order the new Jamaican Jerk Turkey sub on the firehouse subs APP firehouse subs enjoy more subs save more lives participating locations limited time only plus tax prices may vary delivery welcome to the strategic investor join us as we interview some of the world's most productive asset managers and uncover sophisticated and unique investment strategies in the markets here is your host Charlie Wright hello and welcome to Strategic Investor Radio on O._C.. Talk Radio where we bring you investment strategies. You are not hearing elsewhere. We'd like to bring back one of our favorite gas Dr Randy Anderson President and of Griffin capital asset management company a non traded and interval read firm specializing in real estate and credit funds with dozens of projects wchs worth over seventeen billion dollars in assets randy. Welcome back to strategic investor radio. Oh thanks for having me. I'm delighted to be here so randy a little of your background. You've got a P._H._d.. In Finance From University of Alabama so I presume you have a statue of Nick Sabin in your backyard it affected I'll let you walk across the stage unless you are an Alabama football fan and they actually revoked if you don't continue to follow it and keep Nick Sabin right. They're handy. I can appreciate that I I was born in Birmingham. Enhance probably related to half of the state there so <hes> obviously from my accent I moved away. <hes> my parents moved away when we were all much much younger but great place great people great food and glide you're able to to be there so your focus has been an economics and <hes> real estate. You have been a founding partner of Blue Rock Real Estate Franklin Square capital partners. You've been the chief economist and division President for C._N._N.. You've been the chief economist for Marcus Mill Chap and with Prudential Real Estate Advisors and you've been a professor at University of Central Florida and I saw you just the other day on an asset TV interview within Bremmer. That must've must've been fun. I really enjoyed it. <hes> it was it was it was a good time beat up in New York and there was a lot of interesting as you know a lot of interesting topics <hes> today both on geopolitical economic and real estate fronts. It's been a good time to go out and be able to talk about the economy in the market. Yeah and Nian burners always an interesting guy to be around here so great to hear so randy. Give us a brief background of yours fill in some things that people may want to know here. Well you know I think <hes> you know we sort of describe. My background is is interesting and unique you can it's a it's a little bit. Why our approach to investing is a bit different? I I have kind of half of occur. <hes> as an academic and half of occurs is an industry investment professional and we really try to bring those concepts together in create <hes> the funds in in projects and securities that use the best of what the academic literature says it combined with the practical experience of what happens in real time in the markets and so you know really what we try to do is do a research driven type strategies we I used modeling quantitative testing back testing and research in order to drive a decision making process so you know from from my point of view had a interesting background a lot of fun work with a lot of smart people at those firms that you mentioned those are great firms a lot of good friends and colleagues there and they've really helped form who I am as well as spill out of time down there in Alabama stuck in stuck in my room reading through a lot of textbooks and look at theatre finance theory so tell us what does Griffin capital do now where in how so different capitals pulls over twenty year for a twenty year old firm and we are exclusively in the what's called consider the alternative space and primarily really real estate you know Griffin started out doing a lot of sort of just private placement deals we would buy <hes> deals does that people would use for tax exchanges. So you know you you buy a building. Maybe somebody bought a four plex in the they made a lot of money on it but the assets been depreciated. They want to sell it rather than paying taxes. We provide an investment vehicle that they could go buy in at ten thirty one exchange. Range and then they can continue to grow their investments in real estate into a larger more diversified kind of property we kind of grew from there <hes> we continue to do those to do these. Ten thirty one exchanges very effectively. It's a nice tax efficient mechanism for investors. We grew to do <hes> <hes> in a restructure. We have our own in house. <hes> team that recently <hes> actually became internalizes self manage read called the Griffin essential asset written focuses on industrial and office office properties that are that are sort of critical if you will are essential for the company so it's a corporate headquarters or it's an industrial property that you know quite frankly is something that's really important in the distribution chain and then it's really what I do on the other side of the business where we actually invest in in funds and the ability to buy securities both on the real estate side through a griffin institutional ask access real estate fund we by both public and private real estate securities and we also have a credit solution that we do in conjunction with Bain capital where we invest all up and down the alternative credit spectrum from bank loans all the way non-performing <hes> global <hes> type portfolio position so basically focused on the alternative investment we focus on low volatility really products high income products and products hopefully will be a nice diversifier for the portfolio so real estate securities defined that far listen. We're talking about stocks of home builders that kind of thing so we're focused really in in in two areas so on the real estate side I would say some. There's liquid less liquid type position so in a liquid side <hes> we invest in publicly traded securities so we invest in you know <hes> for example publicly traded read Simon Property Group. It'd be a well known read <hes> or equity residential so we invi on the public side liquid publicly traded reach primarily <hes> we also have the ability to move up and down the capital stack and you know by some preferreds and <hes> some some real estate debt positions nations as well but those are you know more liquid type positions on the private side we invest <hes> in really part of the name of the of our product has an institutional access fund so we actually invest in these institutional private wreaths <hes> that are are large is read their diversify the invested in office industrial multifamily and retail properties <hes> all across the United States. Some of these private reits are they're just they're just securities that aren't traded on a on a public exchange the other some are have been around since the seventies they some of them. Have you know ten twenty plus billion dollars of assets they buy class-a properties primarily in Class A markets really good quality markets and the they do them primarily with low levels of debt and leverage so real defensive offensive kind of real estate positioning and you know getting kind of time back to my academic work a lot of lives here says hey if you combine these more private real estate securities with the public you can provide a really nice risk adjusted return for the investor so we all know <hes> Randy you better than probably any of the rest of here. We've been in a bull market for real estate for some time. What kind of opportunities do you see going forward both geographically and type of of real estate and and why yeah so you know when when you think about real estate I first foremost I? I like to think about three kind of boxes. You know one is fundamentals at intraday. Fundamentals are the most important because real estate particularly kind of real estate that we focus on Griffin is really core real estate. We're not really focused on doing a lot of twenty thirty kind of hierarchy deals where you're doing development or have you value add. We're focused on just sort of high quality product that provides a nice strong wrong income stream if you will to the investor so in those cases we WANNA make sure that the fundamentals are good because the majority of return should come if you will from income stream so how do you get good income you get income when demand is strong relative to the supply so what we what we do is we look across primarily the four main food groups and look at those characteristics and right now as we sit there today we can check box number one and that the supply and demand characteristics are good the economy's growing and it's growing at a relatively slow rate and we've been really far out in the curve in terms of fundamentals <hes> we have had <hes> I mean excuse me in terms of our economic forecasts. We've been calling for about a one and a half percent to two percent G._D._p.. Growth for the last couple of years for nineteen and twenty meaning. We think there's a very. A little probability recession but not huge growth but it's still enough growth to create additional demand for real estate and the supply that we've seen <hes> is very very low compared to historical standards so occupancies very high across all the main property types vacancies low oh and therefore we've seen a lot of N._y.. Grosso in general fundamentals are strong and I'll come back to some property types area to second the second thing is kind of looking at you know pricing so listen pricing is not cheap. This is not two thousand ten where you know no matter what you buy I <hes> you're going to buy and it's just going to go up because you bought it. The very bottom of the market and the prices are not cheap however they're nowhere near where they were sort of in two thousand six and seven when you when you start looking at pricing you gotta look at it relative to sort of a bond on yield or a ten year treasury spread and you know going back to two thousand six and seven it was really crazy when real estate supposed to have a total return. It's income plus appreciation and people literally were paying so much for real estate that the income return was a lower return. Turn and you could get for for riskless asset on some properties meaning. You basically got no income. You're betting one hundred percent of your return on appreciation well. That's a mismatch because real estate's all about the income so today you look at it and you say listen the income that real estate's generating. He's good quality income that relationship between Ed and bond spreads or in the ten year treasury is really edits historical norm so while it's not cheap it's not two thousand ten. It's nowhere near where it was in two thousand six and seven so pricing is in cheap. It's about fair value now. What does that mean going forward that well? You gotTa make sure supply stays in check which it looks like it's going to do but you gotta continue to watch the economy. Watch the strength of the economy as it slows some property types will do better than other property types as we move afford. Some economies in some markets will do better than others. The last box before coming back to that again is demand. Do people want real estate. They think that real estate's you know will be a good investment going forward relative to where they can put their other dollar. You know <hes> you know. The funny thing. Is You always get a realize that even in the short term or one in two of the most important the short term can simply be where the capitals getting driven so we look at their dry powder is their institutional demand and it becomes a relative question so with the stock market very high valuations in terms of price to earnings with the bond market having a lower yield in higher duration than historical standards and people either fearing rates rising which is a funny thing to talk about today with the Fed probably being a little bit more dovish but even even if the rates don't move much in terms of the base disposal. Why now is the economy grow so on a relative basis because of the strong fundamentals in at least reasonable pricing? There's plenty demand out there for real estate so we're in pretty good shape on those three boxes now. They're not all we're going to share equally. We're very bullish on multifamily because his economy slows multifamily does pretty well people need a place to live. It's defensive housing market's gotten much more expensive and rates are higher so again high propensity to rent strong demographics graphics very defensive asset class. If the economy slows even further so we like that we like industrial the industrial markets is very strong. Some of it is really driven by the strengthen e-commerce and we think we're still in relatively early early innings of that movement of ECOMMERCE in need for storage space outside of the traditional sticks and bricks retail so those are the types that we probably like the most I would tell you that you know office is still in good shape but you always got to be a little bit careful with offices. Economy economy slows down a bit because you know you lose a tenant on a multifamily side. You lose person use attended on the office side. You might lose you know floor. So you get you get a building in a law firm mix up floors one and two. It's a four story building. You can lose a lot of these lose a lot of tenants in the cost of releasing a lot more expensive than bringing a new tenant in multifamily so right now. It's in good shape supply. Demand fundamentals are in good shape <hes> but nonetheless you just need to be a little bit more careful there particularly if the economy slows a bit lassie retails. A tailored haven't have avenue if you're in something. That's an experiential retail. You know we're here in California. So if you get on Rodeo drive it's packed people are bumping into you and spending money and walking out with bags <hes> full of goods. You're in you know you're in a nice grocery anchored center in <hes> town with a lot of homes. You're on the drive home side of the road. Those are working. Well you go to a second tier mall kind of outside of the driving hub everything in those malls or stores that people could buy online if the doors are wide enough. You could probably drive in so retail's. Is really a a world of sort of have not and you gotta be careful. There great opportunities great growth some of the best investment opportunities there. You don't WanNa throw throw out the GOODEN's <hes> asset types in retail say all retails poor just got to be a lot more selective in that asset type today given the growth and technology and the continued growth in retail sales bandy. How how about geography did you like the big urban centers? Do you like secondary markets tertiary. What do you like geography wise because you know I <hes> you know we are your gateway? Always does really well so the good markets are always supply constrained and there's always demand for them. They're liquid <hes> right now. We also really like I would say sort of the markets between sort of ten and twenty five so you know markets that hard you know as big as New York or Los Angeles San Francisco provide a lot of the same characteristics of dynamic vibrant economy diversified economy growth in the marketplace and the prices a little bit more favorable. What we don't like is going outside of really high quality the markets later in an economic cycle so I give you give you a little example on that so take a <hes>? I'll go back to my one of my older days. Almost you know before the global crisis back in his everything was just growing growing so crazy <hes> it was out in San Francisco is doing some work for a company called Marcus and milch out <hes> as chief economist for them and we saw cap rates in San Francisco <hes> get pretty low and they were so low that the spread between between <hes> cap rates and San Francisco and Oakland where it all time all time <hes> wide levels so you go in there and all of a sudden you know it should be maybe three hundred basis points different. Let's say in terms of you know initial yield or cap rates and there were four hundred so it made sense to go buy some property say and in Oakland but all of a sudden as the market kept style drifting over and over and moving away from the better markets those cap rates and Oakland started to move down it would go from you know they went from four hundred basis point spread down to three hundred down to two hundred hundred to basically you're paying the same price in terms of yield for not as good a property in a less good market as you were in a great core market and when when you fell apart where the global financial crisis everything just fell really apart in those sort of secondary markets and in the core markets they say much much stronger so <hes> I would tell you that given where we are in the economic cycle. I think it's important to stay markets that are supply constrained with demands. Their economies enemies are diversified and I think you may while you may get another six months or a year of better returns and some of them were <hes> tertiary markets. I think right now you're taking on a lot more risk. If the economy happens to slow a bit further interest rates Randy <hes>. Where do you see them going? And how do you see that impacting the kinds of projects you guys are in so you know interest rates are are and continue to be a low and we believe that the Fed <hes> we'll continue to be curly dovish because there there certainly are trans showing that the economy is slowing down both in the U._S. and globally so if you look at the U._S.. Say Ten year Treasury which everybody focuses on one of the reasons that it has a hard time to go up if you look at the difference difference between the ten year Treasury in the U._S.. In sort of the average of the equivalent to the ten year treasury across the globe that spread is near an all time high meaning that on a risk adjusted basis. You've got the U._S.. You know relatively strong economy economy of very liquid very safe secure treasury market <hes> and so it's yielding much more than say what's going on in Germany right so that's another kid strong economy so key international capital flows keep coming in so it's it's really tough for that ten year treasury to grow given the fact that the economy is not likely to grow <hes> you know fast at sort of three percent growth rate going forward and Afaq that are yield is is pretty high when you look at it in a risk adjusted basis in a global market while we appreciate Shea Dad so so tell us in years of experience here what Mis perceptions have you seen in. Do you see by investors and advisors and the kind of real estate projects you guys around well. What are they missing often? Well well. So you know a lot of times. People think about real estate you know as a deal as opposed to long-term allocation and <hes> I think you know historically. <hes> people think about their real estate. Love already got real estate because I you know I own a house or have real estate because I have a rental property. proper in particular market and he think about it real estate's the third largest asset class out there and so you know finance theory would say that you are taking a big bet against the efficient frontier if you don't allocate appropriately alternative so i think rather than thinking 'bout episodically like here's an interesting deal or there's an interesting deal we take the approach that you're always going to be in stocks you're always going to be in bonds you also need a solution for the third largest asset class which is which is real estate and there's a lot of things you can do up and down that risk usc returns spectrum in order to generate returns but you know in our in our mind it's a long term solution it's how institutions invest and they don't invest in the just episodically they invest in it for long term for portfolio diversification reasons and we are trying china provide solutions that make sense for the long term for investors as they try to build long-term <hes> good risk adjusted portfolio people quite frankly have a good quality of life today and hopefully tomorrow as they sort of entering those retirement years that's an excellent excellent response what's we appreciate that so tell us change the subject here what is the best advice you've heard read or received about investing and his guy guy who spent entire career in the world of finance and has a a p._h._d. so so in lightness area well you know i'm gonna use a personal experience rather than focus on anything you know even though we do here in the company although we use those principles every day in the company so <hes> every time i've tried to invest on a personal basis you know a a you know a friend has a company that's doing x. y. z. <hes> or there's a new hot trend but if it's something that you don't really understand you don't really understand the risk that you're taking in you end up making a mistake so you know if you don't fully understand the drivers drivers of the demand that drivers surpri if you don't understand why particular company <hes> can create value if you don't understand why particular company or particular opportunity you can put a moat around their business and you shouldn't invest in it and if you can't really answer those questions you taking risks that you don't understand and i've every time i've taken risky i don't understand <hes> you know you sort of get what's called the winner's curse the reason i was able to participate in that investment is because the people that are experts and investment didn't want it so <hes> you know stick to your knitting stick to what you know in in the last thing i would say is you know you know stay invested you know <hes> it's it's it's impossible to perfectly time the market so take a good balanced reasonable approach <hes> in you know don't don't be afraid look at the long term trends and adjuster risk in allocation accordingly the winner's curse i'm going to quote you all month i heard that before so a question we like to ask all of our guests what keeps you awake at night well you know <hes> what keeps you awake late night is is that we <hes> take their jobs very seriously we have individual <hes> investment money in there you know we're we're not you know it's it's we're not investing with a giant with giant institutions we're investing for mom and dad's with their retirement so every day we wake up and i'd say we worry about everything we worry that we've got allocations right the sectors right or the rights part of the capital stock <hes> and in that we also do everything <hes> you know in a very precise manner <hes> so basically everything keeps us awake awake at night now we're confident we've been doing this for a long time and you know you got to step up when you're in the seat and pull the trigger and do the right in and make the right investment calls but <hes> we spend every minute of every day looking and digging through the research to figure out what we can do to make sure we're doing our jobs and you you know just charging those jobs appropriately because this is very very serious you know people <hes> people were it's hard to save a dollar <hes> you know i just moved out to california <hes> and it was a state of the incredible shrinking paychecks so i know every dollar is hard to get <hes> and certainly you don't want to lose any particularly as you get closer closer to those retirement well welcome to california here and doing my part yet so the the second question we'd like to ask all of our guests what book on investing would you recommend for our listeners and i'm sure with a p._h._d. the you've got lots of them on the list here yeah and i'm i'm also a little bit of an outlier in what i find is interesting reading you know the first <hes> book that i would just tell you that sort of a more <hes> more generic business book and in line with people <hes> <music> <hes> you know look i it's not generic at all in terms Ayar needs to look at the ideas transparency <hes> in Ab- really provides a decision making framework whether your investment professional <hes> or any kind of person <hes> you know that needs to make sort of business decisions going forward understanding construct and having a construct to make decisions I think is very well thought through the whether you agree with everything or not I think gives you a lot of things to think about very thought provoking a love that now secondly and this is where I probably differ than some of the guests I spent a lot of time reading academic journals so the last three I was just thinking about what are the last things I read and well one of my red last night so now my love the Journal of Portfolio Management a Finance Journal but they focus on you know really practical applied <hes> in <hes> theory <hes> that that really is things I do every day. Okay so what I read last night was great expectations at tactical asset allocation framework for diversified real asset portfolios in you know you you know my my enjoyment wh- relaxes me at night is is is reading through a a lot of those top journalists been you know <hes> more than a decade editing the Journal of Real Estate Portfolio Management and reading through those things <hes> it's quite fun in the next phase is since we have our Nice Bloomberg terminals he gives us ideas about what we're doing and downloading data in running correlations nations in running regressions and trying to see if there's any takeaways from here that we can bring back bring back if you will to what we're doing on a daily basis well randy. Thank you very much. <hes> actually you are the first of the few hundred times we've asked that question to <hes> recommend both of those one probably an outlier in the in the way but I'll deal we'll do what we do. 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Ep 35: Geeking Out w/ Jackie Emerson | More Than a Hunger Games Tribute

Fantastic Geeks (and where to find them)

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Ep 35: Geeking Out w/ Jackie Emerson | More Than a Hunger Games Tribute

"Gigs and welcome to another episode of fantastic. And where to find them busy, and I'm netting. Today's episode. Very special guest here with us are very good for Ed. Jackie evers. Evers podcast. Ooh. Jackie is an address singer writer public speaker and fellow boss lady who was always winning a million different products. And I'm extremely impressed by her always know, you are like a girl crush of mine seriously. So incredible. She does it all Vokes, and you probably know her as FOX base from Banga games. Dokki? Could you please start off by telling the people listening, you're Hogwarts house and just a little about you hiring funny? So I'm Griffin door though, that was a devastating realization is my whole life. I thought I was a raven claw. All the raven club here because I'm Luna, did you think you Griffin during just traded Mercer? Miss. And then I found out I was Griffin door. And then the more I found out about Griffin over the more. I was like. Totally a grant more such Griffin Marini Griffin door. Thank you. Griffin door with raven claw rising. Somebody told me the other day, they were like Jackie I think you're a little more slither in than you realize because you're so ambitious and I was like. Because I was the lowest on that. I always get like Griffin. Rarely will not like driven means necessary. You know what? I mean, you do the right thing. That's what it is. You're in business the right way very much. Appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah. I always wonder if secondary house is your rising sign or your moons just hustling like it is maybe. Oh, you're Scorpio moon is Scorpio which is totally slither in sunshine is her go, which is totally raven rising Aries, so that's totally Griffin door. I don't know what my the difference between my rising, and my moon is only knows that my my normal sign is Leo which just so falls into line. God, not even and then the red hair, you know. He's just it's so obvious part of the Griffin during this too is like how much I didn't want to be the same as everybody else. Everybody says that they're Griffin. Nor sounds like I don't wanna be Griffin work everybody's Griffin. And then I was like damn that's a really Griffin north thing to say. You're like descendant of Godhra different. True lord. Oh, man. It's it's like in the best way. So you love Harry Potter, very, I love I love Harry. And that's kind of how we like sort of net. It. Yeah. Do you want to tell all tell the story of where we actually I? So I was at Wednesday alley at a hunger games fans thing like dinner thing. And Jackie was there. And I was with Pat, and I was dressed as catnip and I'm Jacky addresses cabinet. And then we hung out months Lear. And that was where I met. Joe? I remember that you had Daniel Radcliffe on a necklace. Like a little figure of like he's head. It was like. I remember I saw that. And we started talking and then it was like, oh, we're going to be best friends. And then that was a now isn't the rest was brought us together. As it always does as all true, friendships gender. Friendship. Bust specifically. Yeah. Exactly. Oh my gosh. So funny, so and then you guys met through media. I think Vic con me because I was your guest right time with you. And then we met maybe we. And then. Yeah, we've definitely been in other places. Yeah. We are friends to. Yes. All fence together. Yeah. Okay. Jackie. Now, we wanna start out talking about like how you started. And like where did your background like come into performing? How did you like were you just born and actress did you out of the womb singing? Tattoos way. Like ready to go. Baby. That would be the most grim door baby. I'll just want attention. How did you start out? Let's see I grew up. I was born in DC, and then came to LA, and I always was doing little performance things. He knew it around the house. What I was for most notably. I started doing piano lessons, and I loved it. And I like doing things along with that. But I still wasn't. I was four wasn't really thinking about anything. But I was clearly musical child. So I was five and a half. I remember very clearly I was in kindergarten. It was was a big deal, and my friend. Sophie Turner, haven't spoken to her in about twenty years. But still remember the first name last name was going to be in Anne at one of the theaters, and I lay and I said to my parents, I want to be in anti too, and my mom was scared that I was gonna fall flat on my face and the be super barest because I'd never sung before like around the house or anything. So she got me one singing lesson to sing tomorrow. And the singing teacher was like she should do this like she she should do this. So anyway for the dish in for Annie, and I loved it. Cast his definitely, and I remember I had a solo like one line soul. I didn't even know what is Sola was. I remember being like what's solo? Everybody was like really big deal. You know? And so I got the solo I had one line soldiers very exciting. And immediately got the performance bug. And I was like I do this. So then my mom, let me enroll in this theater summer theater. When you do it was like six. Six children's theatre group. Right. So then she enrolled me in my parents, whatever they had me do this. It was called CT, and it was the children's theatre group of southern California. Wow. And I also did they had a summer program at Campbell hall called caps. And it was like a musical theater performing arts so plan, and I just like dove into theater, and I did a million please in musical with C T C. I did stuff with some other random kids, the three favorite musicals like of Alzheimer's that I was in both. Okay. Not of like top just like ones that you like, oh, I've got it. I've got the number one. That was both that I was in my favorite musical Sunday in the park with George by Stephen Sondheim, literally wrote a twenty page paper on it in college. I love it so much. That's not an easy perfect. But still the funny story with that is that the whole time that I was doing all this and singing a bunch and stuff like that. My parents were still really strictly like you're not allowed to be in the industry, a horrible industry. They're not in it. But we haven't grown up in LA. You kind of know what it is brought your family to LA. My dad worked in politics. And so we that was why was born in DC. And then he just switched jobs after you know, the political stuff is over, and, you know, got workout in LA, and it was between SF in LA, which I just found out really recently. But they liked the vibe in LA more, which is crazy for me. Because I feel like my life would be so different had I grown up so much of it was just being in a city where like theater and music and hold on so present, but the whole time my parents were like, no interesting, no industry and people were like in the closet, LA fashion, legal these Asians like, ooh. And the only thing they let me do voice-overs. So I started doing voiceovers when I was super super young because I really liked it. You didn't have to miss school, and it had nothing to do with image. And that was my parents like number one things. And then when I was in sixth grade, they let me go on one audition. And it was only because it involves singing I loved singing, and it was four. Disney had this cover band of Devaux from the eighties called devotes two point zero. Dishing be in it, and I made it I was like, and it was an all male whip it whip it. I was like their kids up cover group, and we were competing with high school musical. It was like all this stuff because we're all part of Disney, and they send us onto around the country had a mini Roxbury the whole time. My parents kept being like Jackie this is not gonna last everything is beginning middle and end like enjoy it while you're on it. But this is just and that was kind of my first experience with like, you know, sort of fame not really, but that was a really valuable lesson for me. 'cause yeah, 'cause you're also super young it was super young. And it was like a year. And my parents, I was not allowed missing school. Like I had to keep keep keep up my studies, and that was always my number one priority. So parents were like that's kind of the the lengths of that. But they would let me do professional theater. And so I got cast in sunny. The perp with George with Kelly Hera is dot O, and I plead Louise the only kid on this in like seventh grader eighth grade. And it became my favorite me school of all time. Like, I was just just fill. My entrance into it and getting to be on stage credible performers. But then also it was such a beautiful it such an amazing show. I don't get me started. Don't get me. Sorry, I count over so hard. And then you guys are going to be like, nobody cares. But I do. Listening to this is like hill. Yes. I have also watched the entire version with Mandy patinkin Bernadette Peters on you know. Anyways. So I did that. And then I started, and I did like professional opposite LA Oprah and stuff like, but still it was like schools, my number one priority. My singing stuff started to get a little more professional. I was performing more professional venues and stuff like that. And I sang at the Ford amphitheatre and the Hollywood bowl in like a big, you know, it was just like all this stuff was kind of unfolding. But once again, it was like school. Yeah. No industry and. And so I didn't know I always knew I loved performing. I love singing. I love acting really intense leader program at my school, very intense. But I never thought that it was something that I'd even be allowed to pursue how one pursued it like all this stuff and as a huge nerd fan girl. And so I read the hunger games as the all school book. 'cause everybody had to read it. And I was like oh my God. I'm obsessed and then I read the whole series in one night. And then I spent hours looking like potential casts. You know, raise. Let's also reestablish the fact that I was the nerdy theater kid in high school that was you know, way too obsessed with everything geeky, and it just like all of the above like, I was trying to figure out how to save up enough money to go to to leaky con like that was what I was doing do those Harry Potter tours of Scotland and stuff like that. And this is my junior year of high school. So it's really just like college application focused and stuff like that. And I thought I was going to do like physics like. And huge hugely of the book series. And then I didn't interview for the director 'cause he was interviewing kids that were fans of the books. And so that was his pitch to be director was I'm coming out this from the fan's perspective. Whoa. And I was good friends with his daughter. And so she was like get coming into an interview. And I thought it was going to be like a little interview like, whereas like, what do you think about and I walked in and it was like lights and camera and all of this stuff. Okay. And I sat MS Wilfing directors the camera, and he started to ask me all these questions about the book and the book series and all of that. And then afterwards he be like your so natural on camera. You were so natural on camera. You do this to acted as like, yeah. I'm in a really intense leader program. Cool. Thanks, do anything of it. And then he got the job as director. And then a few months after that he called me up. And he was like, hey, would you come in an audition for this role? Really see us it because he was like you're clearly really smart and like super into school at the time. And I'm pretty sure I played competitive scrabble and stuff. Yeah. You would you would you come in an audition? And like the first thing that blur my mouth those, but I'm gonna have red hair. What? That can be around. It was really one of those stars align happened. I mean, even so it was like, I was onset and people were going out and like hanging out or going to bars. And I was like in my doing SAT prep. You know? And so it was it was this really surreal. It was kind of going. It was going to this insane summer camp. Right. You know, the summer before my senior year, and it just totally totally and completely changed my entire life. And so that was a really, but I remember also I would go to set. So how old were you? You were sixteen. I would I think I turned seventeen onset, and I would go. Yeah. I did. I was seventeen. I was so funny because I was in building seventeen. Hunger games. Yup. Yeah. It's such a thing that like just totally like whirlwinds you have nowhere. You know? And it was I just remember going to set every single day that I could what did you think about it with were really scared? They didn't want me to do it. Yeah. Because they were they they spent a really long time thinking about it and talking about it. Right. And finally, they kind of set me down, and they were like, look we have decided that we think you are mature enough to handle this. But once again, everything has so like when my parents worked in politics, it's a lot of highs and lows, and they were involved in a lot of different political campaigns and stuff like that. Like when my dad was working might my dad worked in the in the Clinton administration. And so he was there for the first, you know, he helped run the campaign, and then he was there for like the first year or so of the you know of all of that and before he came out to LA, and it's like when you're there when you're in it, you're in the newspaper all the time all the time, and then you leave and nobody like, you're you're. Done, you know, or like, my mom, which I hadn't even found out about till? I was there. So she works with Human Rights Watch now. But at the like when she was my age, she was theater major at UCLA. Was in. She won all of these drama awards. She was in welcome back kotter, the John Travolta show decided she hated the industry, and then when in studied law in France international law, just, you know, insanely smart, she's totally raping law. But. But she also knew about the whole like kind of the waves of it. All right. And those are two intense like intense job. Yeah. Really has shops. And so they kinda sat me down. And they were like, look, we don't know where this is going to take you. We don't know what this roller coaster is about me. But remember at the end of you know, just like what school is the most important thing. No matter what happens you're going to college. And that is your number one priority. And you know, it was basically just like we've decided that you're mature enough to handle this. But you also have to have. And we're gonna make sure that we keep you in check the whole time. Right. And I'm so grateful to have had that. I'm also really hateful that they you know, like d me able to like how are you feel really excited about it? Or were you kinda nervous? We'll so's weird. It wasn't real got to set. Right. As you know, they actually kinda said there were a lot of if there were a lot of things in the air. It was like the call that. I got wasn't you got the role. You're going to sit in three months. It was. There's going to be a big fight for you to have the role, but the director really wants you. But it was kind of like, we're fighting for you. You have to go into training. You also have to lose a bunch of weight. Which is a sixteen year old kid was really damaging for me, which is actually how I kind of started doing on my body, image panels and got super track down that did you have to be that you have to lose weight to have lost weight for the whole thing. Or did you have to lose weight? So that like over the movie you lose weight. No, it was like 'cause you know, you start filming foaming out of order. It was like it was it was basically like you have to lose like fifteen pounds. And if you don't you're not gonna be in it, it was it was just like it was a weird. It was. And so I started to go into training to lose a lot of weight my friends. I couldn't tell anybody. Yeah. My friends at school freaking out because I was missing school out. And I was just like dropping weight like, and because I did it, you know, nowadays. It's very different story. I would like now. Yeah. Right. Unless really served. Yeah. It was like very necessary. I still it's like, yeah. We can go into that leader. But. But I you know, they were all freaking out. And then it wasn't until the day that they publicly announced it which was like two months after I'd gotten this initial call, right? That I even felt remotely safe. And then it was when we got to set that we signed the contract. And so it was really such a similar experience with Billy. Yeah. Are you Syria? They told me that I didn't have the role because I lied to them. I said I was. Yeah. And I wasn't and no they almost didn't. Yeah. They're like, well, the casting director freaked out and she's like, oh, we'll then she can't get the roles. She get like we're gonna have to talk to the. But then the the choreographer who was basically in charge of us was like, I don't care if she's like thirty. She's perfect for the role give her the part, and then hung up the phone, and then, but if he would have been like, okay, we'll gets but he's the one that stuck up for my God. So it's like, it's such a similar similar experience. But it's so scary when you like, you think that you have something, and then it's like you. So you. Yeah. Exactly. Really cool. Those never forget. This is a horrible feeling. I will never forget. The day that they announced was it was the all school read a whole year was filled with vents around the hunger games. Even a week before they done like a school. I'd hunger games of an everybody. Like all the teachers did a parade from the different dissed as though they were different districts and everybody from district five wore a FOX mask box base. Because. Hoping you knew everybody was following the castings really closely. And it got announced it was just like people were running around the school screaming like yelling down from the school. It was six seventh grade through twelfth grade and every great had eighty people like, you know, that's still so much bigger than my school. That's really freaking out over you. It was an somebody one of the teachers sent an Email to all the teachers, and so all the teachers new and like people were like a plot. It was like I literally walking somebody would yell from me like. It was it was it was crazy celebration. And that was a really exciting feeling like this is so cool. You know, you also finally got to celebrate. Yeah. Exactly. And it was the sing where it was like, oh, this is real. And this is happening in this is insane. What on earth, and then literally it was like that came out a week later. I went for a hertzel's I came back. I took four AP exams. I left for the shoot for the whole summer laying. It was it was just such a weird. Worrell wind experience. And then I came back, and it was like dealing with all the press and the press her and missing school while I was doing my college applications, and then I got into Stanford, which is honestly a relief because I could you relax a little bit second semester. But then I was dealing with all of that like wall the movie was coming out. And then you know, it was just an insane. Yeah. A whirlwind of experience. But that was also when I started to realize kind of doing the press tour and talking to people and going Liikanen all of that the fact that having the strong female heroine hat on young women specifically and also I started to realize the impact image wise at the media has on people. And I started to. I remember right after the movie came back came out. Amanda, calling me like sobbing because she was getting death threats because people were like I didn't want to be black. I like stuff like that. And then also seeing the way that people reacted to the body stuff. There's a lot about east around Jan around. Like, that's right. You know? I don't people being like, oh, she's too big for catnaps. And like all this which is like so messed up. Yeah. And I just kinda started to realize the impact it also had on me, and how much I started to have sort of disordered eating coming out of that. Because the issue wasn't. I mean. Yeah, it was an issue being told to lose all that weight. When I was that young. But it was also like I was playing starving child. You know? And the issue is coming out of that and people being like, oh, if you wanna make it in this industry this today, you know, and it was like, wait. But I was just I was supposed to I didn't get my period for a year and a half because I was so skinny, you know. And that was when I started to do body, Mitch panels and stuff like that. And I also realized I hated all the rules that were out there that I was seeing and I went to school, and when I went to school, I kind of said to my agents, I was like look. I the opportunity for the first thing that I was a part of to be so massively culturally impactful and to have such a positive message. Yeah. I want to create my own media because I wanna make sure that everything I'm a part of also because I started to gain weight, and I was like, well, I still want to do this. I don't wanna let you know. I don't want to be so subjected to the yeah, the the whims of, you know, the industry in casting directors, and that's finally starting to change. I think a lot of women are finally talking about it. And she's like, listen don't like except these roles like speak up about it. Make you know and people are starting to be respected female filmmakers, storytellers from all backgrounds, and yeah. And all of this is amazing. But that was kind of how I started to develop start developing films and get into production. 'cause I was like I wanna have a creative. And everything I'm a part of because I wanna make sure that what I'm a part of has something to say. Yeah. That is important. And that I think people could you know, that I don't know that that I think is important. We'll know it comes from like a place like a personal place of something. Honestly, the best art comes from a person that you know, what you wanna say. And you wanna say it, and you like, you know, what I'm saying Li? Yeah. Because the message you were clear that line in stars. Yeah. Reference. Bradley Cooper says. Something like, oh, no. He says something like that lady Gaga like everybody. Like a lot of people have the ability to say something. But the question is like what you're saying. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. But it's that's that's definitely it though. The people that make it as storytellers as like intense artists in this industries are those who have something to say and think you have something to say, and I think you have something to stand for and you're like listen this is enough enough. And I want to change this, and you are the Griffin that will change it. Honestly, you need those people though, you need those Trail Blazers are also like it's just going to say the same. Yeah. And thank God. There's so many emerging right now in politics too. I mean, it's like the same thing. You know? It's like, but yeah, I mean you saw there's like a parallel between those over. True. But but it's like you can be that person. And we believe in you. You can get up. Yes. Literally sorry. That was like a super long winded answer to how I got started. But. Oh, you know, my basis is the former at my core. No. This is what we want to hear from people who want to hear their stories. We wanna hear like, you know, where they came from. And so that they can help people listening, and I do have another like little mini anecdote journey or whatever. Which was that? When I first got to school, and all this stuff was kind of coming up, and I was sort of figuring out who I was and my voice, and and all of that, by the way, people did not want me to go to school. Yeah. Go to school. Yeah. Ex managers. There was a lot of negative feedback to that. I mean, which may sense because for all intents and purposes, I was an industry terms very hot. And then completely took myself out of the game. Right. Yeah. But for me that was really necessary. Yes. I also I had a lot of imposter syndrome. Which I also think is a little bit of a female thing. Like, I think that that's something. That's a commonality of people that I've spoken to. But I got plucked out of a billion oblivion I had this like random fame from nowhere. I also felt like I didn't deserve it. I was like all I did was run across the screen and then die. And that was it. Why do I have ninety thousand followers on Twitter? And I think that what ended up happening is that. I started to get like, okay. How can I fit myself in like how can I keep this going at it? But I wasn't ready for that. And I wasn't ready in that sense. And so I started to come out things from the business angle, which was really important. And that was when I was running like she so boss, which was you know, in let's get real these different female empowerment tape things that I was doing. But I still didn't believe in myself as an artist as a storyteller, and I did, you know, the Shakespeare troupe at school in improv. And I was in all the musicals and stuff like that. When I was at college. But I kept being like, I'm only getting these roles because you know, I ran across the screen. We will. So my junior year of college. I had like a big hit mental rock bottom. Yeah. I was really unhappy. I was going through a lot of. Personal changes time. I was going through a break up. I was going through like friend issues. I had spent a few months where I'd been abroad. And then I was traveling a lot with production stuff. But I I wasn't really focused on art stuff. Yeah. I I was kind of lacking that in my life. And I was in a show where felt like I wasn't doing a good job. And I wasn't getting I was in twelve angry man, I was playing juror number three. And I also felt like stuff was going nowhere for me in the industry like all my production. You know production is a world of fast and slow and things kind of gotten a little bit slow. And because I didn't believe in my artist my artistry. I didn't have any feet to stand on in terms of that. And so I kind of was just like, you know, I felt like my wheels were spinning and Stanford is a very. I think creativity is about the process and Stanford is a school of results. Yeah. And so I felt like I was not I started to get wrapped up in the results of things. Right. And you know, being around so many tech people, and I started joining to start of donate go into tech. What am I doing when the industry? Why do I deserve to call myself an artist there people that are so much more talented than me like all the stuff and the other feedback that I was getting from these kind of funds and Xs in all the stuff was. People being like, you're too sensitive your to your too vulnerable. You're too honest. Wear your heart on your sleeve like like all these things is really negative qualities were artists. No, no. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And I was getting that more and more starting to this. Oh, signed rising to me because I feel like all so many artists where? Weren't artists. Like, oh, I feel like it Stanford. Don't like there were some artists and we've bonded together. But it it really wasn't more Stanford thing. Yeah. Yeah. I think so these are artists so they're like you're being vulnerable. Exactly. Like to be an artist really vulnerable. Right. And so I was feeling more and more like that. I felt like I wasn't doing well in this show. Like, all it was just like getting worse and worse than I started to be like who am I what am I doing with my life? Why do deserve to pursue this? I don't and and there's so many things I can't do the people are so much better than me. At like, you know, I was in this kind of really bad negative self-talk. I was the only way I can tribe. It is that I was I was eating myself from the inside that was how I felt I feel like, you know, just so scattered. Self where everywhere, and you didn't know I was just going in. And I. I was crying all the time. And there was a moment where I was literally called up on my bed sobbing, and I had this thought of like this is why I don't drink. And this is why I don't do drugs is because I want to and I need to be feeling all of this. Because this is the only way that I can process it that was just like a side note. But anyway, so I go up in the show the first night, and I feel like it's like two week rehearsal process. We're putting it on its feet by far the most dialogue in the show. Nobody leaves the stage. It's like all contingent on you have dialogue. And it's like I'm playing we're playing these very male characters as women, and I'm playing the hardest one to turn into a female, the one that's like talking about beating his son to making more of a man in like super like, you know, kind of Donald Trump as a as a juror matching that and no guidance from the director. And so anyway, we go up the first night, and I feel okay about my performance, but not great review comes out the next morning and like vis rates me. Oh, just eviscerates me. And I spend the whole day. Right. And then I have to go up and get on stage the next thing. And this is the night that all of my feet or friends are coming very judgmental. And I want to impress doing even war stop, and I can see it in their eyes. And the next day. It's like, I'm literally last performance. And I'm like, I don't wanna go out on stage. I can't do this. I don't wanna act anymore. I'm done. I'm done being an artist. I'm not in this. But I have to go on stage one more time. And right before I went on. I saw my Papa Jim out in the audience. And I was like, okay. This is I'm just going to have so much fun. Like, you know, he's which screw it. And I went on stage and like threw everything else out the window. And it was like the best performance of ever. It was just like I felt like I tapped into something else. It was like I so much fun. And it was so different. And then the next morning, I was talking to my friends about the whole experience, and I was kind of talking about what I'd been going through. And I said, you know, and I look at your boyfriend because her boyfriend unbelievably town, it was like. Like, I look at him. And I'm like, what do I have to pursue being an artist? And she was like, Jackie he's talented. He's a good singer. But he's not the best singer. The thing about him. That is. So the reason you can't stop watching him when he's on stage. So true is because of his honesty. Yeah. And she was like that's just who you are. And all of a sudden I started walking, and I was thinking, and I was like, maybe it's not about talent. It's about how honest you are. And and then how much you can tap into that universal thing that runs through all of us. And then maybe this thing that everybody has say, you know, has been saying the worst thing about near that. I've been thinking of is my greatest weakness that is. So innate to me that I can't help myself. He's the reason I am artist is like that makes me the most me totally which is the thing that taps the thing. That's the most universal, and I started laughing. Emotional release. I was like oh my God. Maybe I love myself. You know, it was one of those moments for like. And so I felt like I carry that like a talisman through the rest of the year because it was like two weeks to the end of the year. And then a few weeks later, I was alone in Berlin for like a week. And I'd written this song about the industry and feeling manipulated by all the stuff and always seen at super visual thought like George Melly meets cardboard seen in singing in the rain. You know meats, like children's vaudeville theater. And I just kinda I have in my hand, I went to my friend. And I was like, hey bar your camera. I wanna shoot a mockup in my husband's actually, inspired by like you, and my other YouTube, a friend shooting these videos, you know, and I was like why don't you shoot a mockup to this? And he was like I have a feeder for you. And he takes me, cedar. And they were like we'll let you rented out for five hundred dollars total for three days. Oh nice. Starting tomorrow. And I was like that's too much money ran out. My friend was like Jackie you're not scared of the money. You're scared of the art. Yeah. I liked him. It was like, oh my God right door. I have to say us to. So I went back in I sign the paper. I literally left. I went dumpster diving for cardboard I went, and I spent another hundred bucks on. I was like he was like you've made the money on your art put the money into your Artan. And so I bought a bunch of construction equipment. I literally pulled an all night or like storyboarding the entire video building every set every prop every costume. I went in the next morning. I shot from like nine to six on a tripod playing. Every character hanging of every everything came home with another all night are like making all this say one more night. And by the end of it all the people that like worked in the theatre where like your updates. Updates. Because I was like so close to being done, and I finished I was like an hour over and I just collapsed. And it was like all these things. I thought I could never do. And I'd never been more proud of myself in my entire life. And that was like a talisman inside me. And then that year at Stanford. My final year, it was like all of a sudden it was like, okay. I've developed out the business side of things I've got these films in production. Now, it's time for me to challenge myself as an artist and try to tap into that thing. And so I just kept saying yes to anything that scared me. And so like I entered into a writing competition I took roles that I was scared of directed. You know, musically directed a musical improv for my troop. I entered into a musical theater writing competition at the last second came in first place like that became a huge narrative. Now, I'm writing musicals. I it was just like all the stuff that I thought I could never took roles. I never thought I could do I performed in venues never thought I could perform in. I I could do it all as long as I just like stepped off the cliff, you know, and. To me that was so important in graduating. Because I'm now a year out of college and kind of stepping into the industry and actually believing in myself as an artist like above and beyond anything else. And then being like, okay, great also have the business mine where I can create the opportunities for myself to do art and say what I want to say. But I really believe that. I can do it all, you know, it's like whatever I'm channeling that energy into and having that belief and trust in myself has been so vital. And so I always say that I'm very grateful to Stanford into college not necessarily because of what it gave me. But because of what it didn't give me and then force find myself. Ooh. So that's that's kind of that was that like. Good. Yeah. That's crazy. Crazy to think the way like pushed you. Yeah. Having graduated and having now spent a year, and I like, everyone always says the gear after graduation one of the hardest, and it was actually like one of the happiest years of my life. Because I was like, oh, this is what I meant to be doing on. So many levels felt like I've kind of being met by the universe in that sense. Like, just like the way things are unrolling unraveling and stuff like that. Unfolding. But by that same token as I think I was a little bit. Maybe milder press kind of the whole time, I was standard. I just didn't feel like I was myself. But I feel like that was so important in me finding myself realizing like, oh, yeah. This isn't me. Will you need? It has low, you know, in order to learn from them, you know, people are so scared of getting to that place, but especially artists and actors like you need you those. Yeah. And I also think that after getting all that weird fame that weird high from kind of nothing it was really important for me to find the substance really, take myself out of social media and all of that stuff and realize him in my value outside of that. What it is that I need to say outside of that. And how I can say it is a storyteller and as an artist so you get broken down. So that you can put yourself back together way. And like yeah figure. Out. What you want to be? Yeah. Exactly. One hundred percent. Definitely I thought it was interesting. How you said that like the most talented performer isn't always the best and my favorite performers are never the best. They're never the most talented people that are the most honest, honestly, my favorite performers limit. Well and t's not good singer. Like, she really, great example. Right. You know what? I mean, he's not the best singer people people always complain about that like why is he playing Hamilton? Like, he not as good as his backup. I'm like, that's not the point the point is what he brings to the role in how he speaks to it. And what he saying like on the stage like totally and he's one of my biggest idols in terms of like because I really do want to be able to do it all and then I really do believe I can and I'm really occupying all those spaces in the different projects. I'm working on right now. And people's homey. No all the time really all the time. I get comments that are like you have to choose one or you have to you know, whatever. And I think a lot from the older generation, you know, that's more of you. That's more what it used to be. And it is different now. But he is someone I so look up to as a person who has been able to. You know, really stick his claim in all of these different areas, and like and do them all and not listen to Ireland think that is like an old way of thinking. Honestly, like, you guys do all the entertainment nowadays, it's moving more and more towards people just like creating their own thing or sort of on having to do multiple things or work, multiple jobs, or I think that's kind of people that have the passion or the ones that are doing these kinds of thing. That's kind of what is what is what is running like if they want to create something, they're the ones that are putting it into it. Oh, I have to just be an actor. Oh, I just have to like do this one thing. It's like no I want to like make one into everything that I wanna do. Then I have to be that one. So I'm not gonna listen to anybody telling me that I can't because I'm like, well, it doesn't matter because I'm going to do it. Anyways. Just wanna do one thing. Like, you just want to be. An actor. You don't wanna do anything else, even surrounding it. Then you're depending on a lot of other people accent make it which is fine. But it's just like that. Just. Personality. Yeah. You know? And if you're willing to like put something together yourself, then you can like make a situation in which you can be acting and make things people acting, and then also voice like a creative always behind the camera. And then also involve attribution and making sure that like, you know, it has a social impact aspect to it. And definitely everything that you're saying, you know, is something you wanna be saying. That's why I think the internet so beautiful because you can do that is gives you that opportunity have a platform to create things like a nother example would be like kind of what Shane Dawson is doing right now and YouTube he's doing this whole documentary series. He's doing all himself. You know what I mean? But he it's something that would normally be on Netflix. But he's like, I'm not gonna wait for Netflix. Come to me. I'm just going to do it. You know? So everyone is like he gets more views the Netflix. Do you know what I mean, he's getting like ten million at least views per each one. It's one of those things where. But he's doing that those. That's what I said before those are the trailblazers those are the people that are going to like that other people are going to follow. I think that that's what that video did for me. Was it was that especially because like right after hunger games as really pushed to release a couple of songs that were not me. They were not my voice was so produce that I did not want to release doesn't. I was. Yeah. I was forced to and I did not want to. And I felt like I had no voice. And so going to school in all of that stuff. And then doing this video it was like, oh, I literally did all of this myself, and I did it in three days. And what could I do if I had a week? And it was also like this is a little. Bit world. But it's also like I do everything myself. And also something that I'm learning to is. It is important to, you know, push responsibilities include me and also to take time for yourselves. Yeah. I work very hard. Push myself. But I think that that's also like, yeah, it's just that was a that was a cool realization for me. And it's like no matter what whenever I feel doubtful. When I feel bad about myself or whenever I'm like, what am I doing? Can. I do this this hillock. So big. I watched that video and I'm like kinda like fire in me of like worst case scenario lock off tomorrow and go lock myself in a room and make strange cardboard video. This is online. Oh, God, my favorite authors Anthony door who wrote all the late. We cannot see beautiful book wanna applets her. He spoke at Stanford. He actually spoke to this fifteen person class that I was in this writing art seminar class, and he said something that stuck with me so much where he was like if you are a furniture maker, and if that is your passion, and if that is what you wanna do you should just be making chair for fun. And he was like if you wanna write put your pen on the paper, but as a method of play. Oh my God. That was what that was for me is results. And this goes back to the results for and so you know with all this stuff. It is easy for me to get locked up in the in the results because that's what producing is all that stuff. But that's why it's so important for me to do a lot of musical improv. I do a lot of like random release. Yeah. Exactly. And like writing and for all the projects that I'm developing other people's work that I'm going to be eventually performing in. But right now, it's other people's work. I'm also developing my own work. And that like for me is the the stuff of play where it's not results oriented. It's just like how can I create in this moment? How can I have these outlets? How can I do this just for fun? You know, even if there's no there's no results in going up on stage doing like an hour long weird ass improv show where I'm like playing Keno and in doing a show about a weird smorgasbord helicopter thing, you know, there's, but it's it's it's have. To into that on and that art and that like channel, I think. Yeah. Definitely since that show, but kind of changed everything that you put together films. What have you been working on? And that has been capturing your attention that you've been accent. Oh, man. What was really cool is that I started to kind of work in these different rooms and now at this point. And this is what I mean. I feel like the universe is kind of risen to meet me or whatever I know of seven different films and projects in development, and and it's everything raising ranging from like an animated series based off of a musical that. I was commissioned to write about this like, you know, about all of these bad ass princesses the musical was about this like Asian gender. Non conforming Princess. It's girls for Princess for us to look up to the guardian Princess alliance. And we're developing that I was a wholly animated series thing now or like. I got cast in this live action Allison wonderland. That is all female, directing female production team, all this stuff. And then I bonded with the director. And she had me come on his her like creative assistant. So I started working with Ron that. And then I started involved in production calls came out as a folk producer. Then I you know, my character is gonna get to sing. And it's got to write the song for my character. And write another couple songs for it. And so it's just like that's getting to use all different parts of my mind stars a woman, you know, it's all of that. Or like. I got the amusing that I entered into this musical theater writing competition with is now being developed as a feature film, and I'm working as a writer on that. Which is really cool. And then. The and they're all in various stages. I just closed backed by this production deal. Enclosing an option deal on this book about one of the only professional female baseball players her journey, and I'm a huge baseball nerd, and like or a book, that's like Handmaid's tale meets mean girls that I'm hoping kinda get made with this like amazing production company called killer foams level forward that's doing like they did jagged little pill. The Alanis Morissette musical going to Broadway and stuff like that. And so it's just all of these, you know, and that's only the name of. More than that. And it's what's cools that either all in very different stages of development. Like, you know, one of them starts foaming in. You know, April of next year. One of them's probably filming end of next year. The other ones are like way longer in the process, but they're all in like, very different stages. I'm still writing songs for like the musicals. And so that's keeping me really creatively engaged and potentially going to start on a new musical soon. And then like working as a writer on the projects and then performing a musical improv. And then like still auditioning and going out for stuff like that. Which is also like, you know, I get my acting doing theater doing little shows of friends and stuff. I was in short, my friend short this summer and. And so it's really getting to stretch doing like acting classes in singing classes and performing an open mics. And I feel like it's getting to really stretch like all sides of me if like mentally Emily stretched because I'm getting to kind of be on this side of things, and I just more than anything though. I just feel very blessed by and this is kind of hearkening back to what we were talking about earlier the amount of people in this industry that are mentoring me and supporting me and passing me around because I am standing on eight million people's shoulders right now, and like the amount of people the fact that this director looked at a twenty three year old. I guess I'm twenty four was twenty three at the time twenty year old girl that she has his film and was like, I'm gonna value your creative. Opinions. You know, new like who that's not something in you. And I'm so lucky to have. All of these, you know, most recently like this woman named Allan vein is the CEO of Gotham group, which is this big production management company like cheeses signed me as working with me on all my projects. And you know is like mentoring me in so many ways powerful powerhouse of a woman, and you know, to have her be like, I see something in you in all of you in non just like an actor us this or use that. But like icy you is for all the stuff that you're doing and your voice in. Yeah. And she even said to me like once shoes like, what's so cool. Is that all your projects range in terms of where they are? And where they're based in the size, and they're mediums, but they all fall under the same umbrella. And and that was like just like to have someone see me like, you know, I just feel so like I also understand because you take the projects that you believe in. You know, you're your valuable to you. Right. Like Steph, I'm passionate, exactly. And it's like an once again, like just a caveat all of this with the fact that I know that I'm in such a position of extreme privilege that I can even do that. You know, that comes from having grown up L A having such a safety net. Having had such a great entrance like a foot in the door into the industry. The kind of allowed all this stuff to kind of fall into place in different ways. And so there's there's so much like I was talking to my friend about you know, 'cause I I I'm not great with social media. And so I've been on a really big break from it recently because I find that it really messes up my creative flow when I'm on it. And I was just talking about Hyman such privileged position that I can even be like, oh, I don't need to be on so too like I cut myself off from that for right now. Because so many people do need that. And that's like, you know, their way to you know, that that's an industry in it of itself, obviously. And it's so important. And so like, I I wanna g- knowledge that with all of this at like, I I really try every day to kind of appreciate how lucky I am. And because of that too. I think that also I wanna make sure that the stories I'm telling you stories worth telling that are going to give back in some way killer level forward all of their projects. It's like fifteen percent of the proceeds go to the nonprofit that they partner with on the project, and it's like I wanna do stuff like that where you're really making, you know, because I've been giving such an incredible platform such incredible opportunities. I feel like I'm like almost throwing a middle finger up to the universe. If I don't use it. You know, give back definitely. Folk, great Jackie's the best. Okay. So this podcast is called fantastic geeks. So what is one of your favorite things in the entire world to geek out about like this? We're all fans of something. So what are you a fan of Harry Potter you? So much, and it's only people come up to me all the time. A friend about this where it's like, I think that when people get like any degree of well-known people are like it's like, you know, if they're super nerdy. But something all of a sudden, it's like, oh, that's so cute. No, always think that when they meet me. They're like, oh my God. She's so like cute nerdy. And they get to know me. They're like, oh, this is like on a different level. That's you know, that's how I am. So I would say probably my two biggest like things besides just being in like a book nerd overall, Harry Potter, and then Disney. For reference like basically, all I listen to my car is Disney radio like it's just really sad musical theatre musical theatre too. But Harry Potter I just finished my annual reread of the series and my grandpa passed away if he weeks ago, and I was reading book seven kind of as I was going through that. And I think this is like my sixteenth or seventeenth time rating it, and I've never taken as much from it as I read like as I did like reading during that time period. And it's just I think that my level of everything for this series. Just goes so beyond deep numb. I mean logo I'm talking. I know you guys understand. But it's good. It means so much to me in so many so many so many ways. Yeah. That's wonderfully convenient that you love Harry Potter. Soom? You're a little familiar with the hug Wirtz houses. So would you be willing to do some sorting with us of some hunger? Games cooked. Oh, fun. Okay. Yeah. Let's do it. So we can't spend too long deliberating. We've got like commit this is. We're not doing the song. We're. So first of all FOX face. Tell us cl-. Made cl-. P 'cause downfull. Yeah. Every ramming caused downfall. I would totally die that way. Yeah. Yeah. We've. We've yeah likely. Yeah. I would think to eat them. And then I would die a hundred percent because I would be hiding and like I would not go to exactly totally don't I think I I don't know what I'd do. I mean. I always was like, oh, I wouldn't go to fight. But then like you would. But I don't know if I would I would in a strategic way because I wouldn't want to kill anybody. You'd be smart about people. If I have somebody going after somebody else, I would like really mean that because I saw you would like her mind any. Yeah. There we go. Similar to Caton is. Speech geographic. The most. Pita? Hey, guys what? Puff pat. He does crafts on his face. Just so sweet he's so sweet he's tender-hearted who nice to puff to this world. In contrast. We got gale. As or store for them. But I don't. I don't think so. Griffin. Because I like the idea of him as a slow there. But I don't I don't really like Griffin guys that much and I didn't like him, right? Yeah. Griffin. Guys. And usually when I saw. Just the guy's gonna be a lot. Like normally if I'm reading a book, and it's a slithering guy. I'm in love with him. But if it's a guy, I'm like gale. So I think he's a great. I concur finnick. Oh. I love the idea of him being a slur in. But he's also kind of like reached his peak, and he doesn't have any desire to go anywhere else with it. He just wants the secrets, right? His currencies secrets raven cloud. Raven cloud. I forgot about also you think in or raven claw. I don't I think fun though, he's sweep he I was thinking of honestly got some puff. I I would say like maybe slow them and help puff combo. Off slip up, then I wanna slur in. Let's say slithering because we don't have any other solutions yet. Good hot slur. And goes me. True for him. Rows of a dean the hardest too old. She's really getting. Here just hustle puff. Because that's like her passion is to like he'll and take care of and. Harry. You're right. It is puff. Thinking because she's a healer mix, but I like nerve out of necessity. This is what I need. She's hard working Jimmy. That's yeah. I think she puff. Hey, mitch. He's split. Filch these he's a complex. What do you think don't know Squibb? Don't worry could be like a ride Griffin gone bad. He could be are gone bad. You know, I love that. I could Griffin reckless honestly. Yeah. He is. So yeah. To reckless. I other. Yeah. He doesn't really not slithering because he doesn't really care about Griffin door. I think he grew gouverneur. Here's a tip don't die. Okay. Thanks. Squibb kissing. I like this with okay. Finna? Oh, he is gorgeous. The. Costumes. No, you're fine. Costumes creative. I think Ray claw. Like a rebel raven clock. Because he also, you know, I think he's like Luna 'cause he's creative. But he like battles. Luna was there in the department of mysteries. Creative rebellious genius. Yes. Reu? Oh. Yes. Yes. I mean. Yes. Yes. I don't. I don't remember much because she is a Griffin because she like she. She's like from what I remember. Yeah. Because she's like with Canada's the whole she's brave. She she is for for how little she is. And this of that she doing I think she's another grip door grabbing. It's kind of like a Harry and Ron situation. Like, yeah. Like another Griffin door part of the pack like to move in packs. So like, you know, ruin think I really have a back. I have a lot. You've multiple you'll have a single bag. You of all these. That's all you are God or group. Really kind of an asshole. Didn't he steal the? That's crippled says, but like many goblins, you know, that is gripping exhibit everybody who knows. But I mean, he's probably kind of like, oh, but Griffin. But you you are not the douchebag. Thank you. You're the her mining Griffin. We've already honors. Efi trinket. Yeah. Yeah. Because she doesn't do anything about it. Yeah. Okay. Great. That's all I got. More like, I say snow, but like southern. Some of them were kinda. Yeah. No these were goods. Ooh. Wait, but actually. What about coin president coin? Because I did a different kind of villain like like a Griffin door using a Griffin door that goes back. And I think that's a whole thing was that. She's like, I think she's more of like the good slithering than anything. Just in terms of like if you look at her personality traits like, our whole thing is ambition, right? And like wanting to Shiels seem super calculated like, very, you know, I don't think she could be feel like the difference like, and this is the reason I'm not a sliver is because I'm very like, I I know where I'm going, but I'm like, I'm just gonna like keep foam passions. Pants. Difference between Jackie and Joe. Like the ultimate grid or my mind, and he is the ultimate slow their money. And what did we get along? So. It's so it's really. Think that we complimented? I think so. Yeah, you'd be both respect each other. We have massive respect for. Yeah. Speak for myself. I don't. He loves you. Yeah. Definitely enough your greats your wonderful. We all love you Jackie. Oh my gosh. And I think that's Jackie. Is there anything else that you want to promote or said tell people where to find you or anything? Okay. How can people find video that you were talking just it's called Nana and the last NAS in parentheses? And then if you just search my name, it should be on YouTube on my YouTube channel, which is also like, my let's get real videos and stuff are. But I. I haven't posted on there in a while. But that's where you could see the video and then an occasional post like weird musical improv on their covers. Not covers. I don't know why. But we'll musical improv and performances that I do. And then the other thing is that we can go to my website, which is Jackie dot com. And then my instance, Twitter Bubba is all Jackie underscore. Emerson. I'll be honest. I have not been on in a few months, but I will be posting their in promoting stuff in the future. And so just just to have. And then if you look up the music store LA, I think that's the name of my musical improv troupe. Oh perfect. What we do is. There's like four or five of us kind of fluctuates, but we do narrative long form musical improv. But we're also all playing our own instruments. Wow. So we get the name of musical that doesn't exist. We've got like two panels on his age and accordion, a ukulele guitar and we've got like hand signals for what keyword, and so we're like making up the songs and rhyming and do the story in the character wall. We're also like playing instruments, and I love it because it stretches. Every part of my brain. I'm also in a Harry Potter improv troupe called the show that shall not be named. As recently. But oh funny music store. One is like really I really love that one. So you know out save more. Yeah. Then come see people. And then I guess my stuff will be like slowly unfolding out there few years exciting. So we will keep your eyes spills loan perfect. Well, thank you so much Jackie for being on the podcast are so so wonderful guest. It was so interesting hearing your story and kind of you know, how like performing shaped you as human and how it's shaping everyone else around you. I love you guys. So. We really I just like I remember when I was in sixth grade. And I thought I was I didn't really have the internet yet. And I just like my parents let me on it. And I just thought I was the only person that was like so obsessed with Harry Potter like nobody his chance. And I just running a loan, and then I ran into this random girl from my high school, and I started to talk to every Potter. And she was like there's this thing called muggle nut that exists. And the leaky cauldron where you can go on and get recipes and Bubba I remember that it was one of the most exciting days, and then I joined the Harry Potter club at school. But it was like that was amazing. And so the fact that I'm sitting here and talking to you guys right now like, I think that my sixth grade self would be like, completely and utterly mind blown that. I have friends and people in my life Owen to Mike Deka. What I say every day. It makes me so happy having Harry Potter friends them people that understand you like the best thing in the world. It's so hard to like explain that to someone that doesn't get it. But it's like when you've gone for so long thinking that you're like, just so. Like, I'm like like, it's like. And I didn't have anyone to talk like him. And that's why like the internet is so magical wine. Podcast because that it's a community of nerds that. It's just quality humans. It's all quality human because people coming together over passion. Yeah. Exam knots. Like the thing that drives the university end of the day. So true all good fine. Now, let's read a comment from apple podcast on itunes. 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Pokmon: Detective Pikachu with Dan Hernandez & Benji Samit

"And. Donal what say to? On that show. Listen kid. I know this much if your dad was here, he would hug you so hard your bones would podcast. Okay. Great. There you go. First question, going heart. Did you guys write that line? No. Wow. Here's my goal for this episode. Okay. The line the pops like what? No, no, no, I want. I want to along with everything else. Have this episode be an exploration of the process of writing a movie this big? Okay. Okay. For that as much as we can talk about it without jeopardizing, their maybe some things. You'll give this. But we're happy to do that Ben is cutting out can Bennis pointing he has a bell here. Oh, this is a new thing that he's introducing if I know what it is. We're not gonna we're not gonna bring your cut out. Now, let's let's make it clear. There's a reason why Ben might forget that he hasn't introduced the cutout bell before. Benji, Dan, I'll introduce you properly and second have you noticed you're just meeting producer bent for the first time. This is our first time, but it's been good. So far, he doesn't usually have this hat on detective hat. Classic Sherlock Holmes. Dear soccer. He actually is wearing your stark. I'm going to genuinely does have thought it out looking at me. He doesn't remember who. I am. So here's the thing producer, Ben. Aka I detective PICO. Ben of this more doesn't remember anything. Why did I agree to this second? Even though I'm not involved. I should've realized it would be annoying. But he's on the case. He's going to try to guess what happens in the movie because he hasn't seen it. Yeah. Episode. He might guess what he thinks happens in the move great great cleanly up that bit. Should we disabuse him of the notion or should we should we just like he was this wrong? We see what the movie that. He creates is if it's better, maybe. This is like there are no bad ideas. Bad ideas. That's good because my ideas are always great Heller recently. You told shave my head that was a recent idea by him. He thinks. Shave you'd be pretty lethal. I think you would be pretty lethal that would be like or right? It'd be like have like an agent forty seven five I was gonna say like Vince Vaughn in cellblock ninety nine I was thinking Vic Mackey on the shield. Got a bit of a Mackey, although Mackie's short, right or is chick tall. I think he's kind of stocky show that was sort of part of his appeal was like, you know, you don't think this because he was the commission. He was like little schlub being angry when he was cast. Jessica Alba was taller than him in the fantastic for sure. Right, which is a fundamental issue. Fair enough fair enough. This is a blank check with Griffin. David griffin. David, I'm David it's a podcast about usually about photography's directors who have massive successful. They're on their current giving series appoint checks make whatever Cousy pass project. They want sometimes those checks clear, and sometimes they bounce Pika Pika, but you have been on the trail. Of a movie for the last two years. Sure. Pretty much announced increasing excitement. Yes. And went through and found all of your tweets about this move a lot. This has been one of your interest rate movies, ever, Pokemon. You'll Pokemon so serious film critic and book. So we put it on the books that we would do a special episode for this. And then lo and behold a couple of months ago, I make a startling connection. Two guys. I know sure are in fact to the writers on Pokemon detective Pika chew Pok Mon Cohen detective Pika job. Yeah. So who we got in the studio today? Ten Hernandez Benji Sam writers polka mind detective Pika chew. We're gonna find out how the polka sausages made. People eat Pokemon. You know, that's one of those things that is a little bit glossed over right in the in the world here. I prefer to think that everyone is a vegetarian fruit berries. Right. There's various natural products. I'd be like a lot of rice. It would be sort of like a green, heavy rain. The it's records. That's game. Right. There's a huge. Yeah. I never really figured out. The guy was like, I'll cook you the app records, and you and I'm like I can't be bothered, but doesn't gonna find eighty Africa. But when you go deep into like we had to do. I mean, we knew him out. Okay. But we should be able to this gonna into the mythology and give you like the big fucked. Is there a leather? They were like, here's your Pokot X, boys. Get luxury game. Was professor oak in an executive producer? Yes. All right. But do you have those things I don't know if they're like phone calls or meetings where you're like, okay. Next item. Here. What do they eat or the sort of like is it okay to do this? Is it not okay to do this? Like, are you constantly having to sort of run by thing? Right. Yeah. How far the treat is after go. There's definitely like, okay. We're gonna float this idea off of, you know, the people in Japan at the poem on. You know, we had to write some emails explaining what we wanted to do emails waiting to see if we got the permission to do it. And. Yeah, sometimes we would. And sometimes we would not. Sorry. Where are you gonna say? It was it was an interesting to their great credit. They really gave a shit. Who cares? Who cares? What you want? They were. They were like, no we have opinions not only about story elements, but right away that you know, species of Pok Mon would behave. It wasn't just like. Yeah. Whatever you want. It would be like species individual, no squirrel doesn't do that. Wow. What hasn't squirrel? Do. Squirrels strategists. Interesting. Why couldn't have like a squirrel as a plot point being that was just screw strategize. Look, this is come straight from the. Is it like baby poke him on wouldn't like their little some, you know, there were with that. Yeah. It was for the bulbous Oracene. Like, it's like Bubba sores can be in a herd. That's cool. It was more like in the process of kind of like Benji really wanna talk poke him. Let's get into we're going to go. Response. One of the things that is really cool about what we got to do is to make a master list. That was like here are the Pokemon that we pie in the sky way. Right. Would like to wanna use that list? Was there one hundred on that list, right? From that list. It got whittled down to hover many got whittled down to. And so with each of those we would have to kind of explore the the nuance of what we were allowed to weren't allowed to do which evolutions we were allowed to use. And they were very accommodating, generally. But like they had opinions and it wasn't. It was very interesting way of writing because occasionally I made the joke like it's not really joke because it's true. I was writing with one hand and like looking at the polka decks with the other if only there were a bio luminescent mushroom. Oh is like I mean, how many other six hundred or eight hundred and now with the new generation it's going to be. Wow. Have you guys kept up with it in every iterating like what's your relationship with Pok Mon throughout the years? I mean, you like when you got the job writing this to do come back in and go like, okay, I'm four hundred behind. I gotta fill in this gap. I would say there was a little bit of gap field. I would need gap filling. I'm not good on the later games refer share. And we knew you know, some of the the bigger Pok Mon from the labour just like the fan favorites and things like that. But yeah, we did a deep dive on everything, you know, we went through every single Pok Mon all their evolutions their interactions their powers there. You know? Yeah. It was it was pretty intense. Well, I mean, I guess let's zoom out because I mean, the first thing that David said to me when the movie ended when the credit started after just squealing at at the GameBoy. Love the GameBoy graphics. Right. He turned to me went. This is crazy that this is what movies. Movies are insane. Yeah. Movies are insane room. And and he meant in every possible sense. But that's the really weird thing about this movie. Which is a thoroughly weird movie. It isn't a positive, but like so many times watching it, and you guys very generously helped us get into see it early before. Because we knew you're only going to be in for a limited window of time. We went to the premier we met at shoe not bragging redacted bit. Guys. We're US pitchy. Who's had a very to pock esque pose with with the giant peaking? Very all eyes on which I which I'm pretty sure was just an inflatable peak achieved that I'm sure they always had that they had then been like, let's can we get a giant hat and put on. Inflation. No that inflatable Pika true. Had just been backstage a kiss me. Kate. It's been there for like the last twenty productions of theatre it was it was because it was the middle of Times Square was the yellow carpet which was and then the the premier was at the twenty five where like one floor this theater with twenty five screens was just different screen. They had a Goan in several screens. Yeah. It was intense. That was the theater that when I used to live in New York, I would go to just as a as a fast. There was like a weird symmetry having it at that theatre. And also be reminded how ridiculously designed that theater is where it is like a labyrinth in nightmare. Krit escalating, it goes to the secret to scrape known remembers, and they were sort trans separate the two things that people who are trying to go to floors one through five one three four five versus floor to just attack the peak. It's like the exit was weird. This is all really exciting. It was just like having the walk through Times Square twice. It was it was it was it was a weird for weird movie. Right. Yes. So this is the point. This is the point you guys aren't hired to adapt like poke Amman red and blue right right there. There's a clear thing that just like, okay, Pokemon, go. There's this like revival. Everyone's reminded of how popular this thing is it's enough for twenty years now, it's at the generational level. You can make like a four quadrant movie around it. And then announcement is it's detective Pika show. They've like they've won the rights for a live action Pokemon movie and to -tective Pika chew to which almost everyone said what because that was a game that at this point had not been released anywhere other than Japan. We know because we were starting to ride it. They're like, here's the translation of the video games group. And I took three years or two years of Japanese in college. It was it was completely useless. You're in this weird position where it's like, you're a dappling a game that there isn't the same kind of emotional affinity for as the property as a whole, but that game needs to function as an entry way to the possibility of any live action, Pokemon movie that can exist under this thing. And it's a fucking insane concept. Which is what if one? Starting for level St.. You all know, Pokemon. Are you all know who peachy race you? All right. Like you keep going down down down them. And it's like so Pika choose detective, and he can talk. It would be like starting with Dr. Mario. Yes. Breaking breaking three like sort of sacrosanct rules oppo Kvant to start. What you're saying? Like Bumblebee is the first soft reboot of like the Michael bay transformers. This feels like it would be the fourth free boot. Right. And it's like you're starting there and everything is like Pokemon is a is a nuanced concept. It's a messy concept with a lot of tendrils. And this movie starts with the given that you know, all of it which like we're like yet. This is what these movies should be now. Because it's like this thing's been around for twenty years. Why are you going to see a Pokemon movies? You don't know what Pokemon Amman is we're not going to name other live action video game out of -tations. That might have had a recent negatively received trailer. No idea. What movie I could we talk? You're talking about. What if they rebrand him as detective what if they're like, we got it? We got it. It's fine. Here's the detective its own them, you're satisfied. Now. Right. Took the note. You don't like the design. He's constantly holding a magnifying glass design, his better. Now, he's is looking no. But like that that feels like what David I were saying was like how these IP movies, I feel like especially video game or like adaptations a kid cartoons used to be done through like the mid two thousand which was like, well, you know, someone acquires the property and then all the executives go like this dorky shit. This is weird. This is weird. This is weird have them be transplanted to like, Oakland, California. Right. And then, you know, it's just them like trying to save the school or something earlier badging department Bill, right, right? Like that that sort of concept of like, you have to strip as much of the weird stuff away from that you you put him in like, a co-op, you know. And this movie starts with all the weird shit as a given. But also you guys were saying about lake all the rules of of what polka can't do. There's table setting in the first ten minutes of the movie of just like this is the ethical debate around poke Amman. Yeah, sure, which I always feel has been like the weird underbelly. That's like never discussed in the property. And in this movie starts with like, this is a city established on the idea that poke Amman battling human relationships with Pokemon or maybe a little skewed. Right. Yeah. Like rhyme city is supposed to be like. Oh, no. We don't fight. We're all partners here. Right. Anyone can work man or poke him on can't speak somehow. They can hold jobs, but he do like an interview with the poker Mon you're going to hire the like work at a coffee shop. I know I get so at what point do you guys come in on this project? We came in really early after it was when they were still trying to crack the story, and what it was going to be. So we were pretty foundational to all of that. And I think. To go off your point of like why detective he could you? As opposed to anything else in the Pokemon universe. I think you know, from the top down when everyone made the decision to make a live action Pokemon movie for the first time in over twenty years. They wanted a reason for to exist like they wanted. They wanted it to be different they billion of the animated films. That's right. And they didn't want to just tell like the red blue story again just respected him. No. It's a it's a great story. It's been told. Yes, collide. And you know, everyone knows ashen if you know, they wanted like, the the why now of the live action trend, so they thought that detective Pika chew would be a great way to do that, you know, having rhyme city this city where people in Pok Mon are living, in harmony like seemed like a really cool live action thing to see. Right. And so that's sort of why why we did this. Yeah. Right. I also feel. I feel like post like in game people have been like debating, the concept of fan service allot, and I've heard many people I think smartly make the point. That's like is it really fanciers anymore. If it's a thing where everyone's a fan now so part of the monoculture that like the phantom that you're like Hadrian to is like audience member one point two billion dollars worth of box office. And in the same way like someone on our read it said that Pokemon is statistically the most successful media franchise of all time it is more than ours. Combine like the video games everything combined. Everything it is the biggest media franchise and fans, I don't even really know what that means. The point. Yeah. Just slightly agree. You know, when we sat down to write it. And and you're right. Some of the things that you mentioned, you know, outta foundational level when you're sitting down to right? Yeah. What you know is going to be a huge studio moving and you're sitting there going. Okay. This isn't the obvious way into the story diagonal story that you know, it's not like the people are calling for detective fica chew. Right. So I think you have to then go a step back and say, okay. If I were. Just a viewer. What would I want from this story and as a fan of Pokemon? What are the kinds of things I would wanna see and to me to me. One of the best moments in the movie is when they first arrive into the city agree more, and you just it is actually overwhelming how many poke him honor in that. But it's like businessmen going about their day like tapping Griffin Bessette though to just just every single one. There are so many in that sequence. But it's just like, you know, like a barista going to work and a guy doing construction and that to me in some small way we wanted to replicate the feeling of walking into most icy Cantina. Okay. I was gonna say I genuinely thing that is the best film. Just struck the table here. No. I thought that was gonna be my big money. Comparison force you guys did it consciously explaining how this all works. It's just kind of like, yeah. It's sort of chaos. There's a lot going on in the background kinda get the app that the best way to me. I'm always the most intrigued when air like here's the world. Yeah. This this. You know, like, yeah. This guy's going going to work with the chairman or tails on fire. I don't know about the safety regulations. It's fine. It's a given. It's a give you have to as giving. I feel like a lot of times. I will hear people when they're promoting their movie say like, we want us to be the most is Lee sane, and they'll see it don't blink too much paprika. Like, you're putting too much on it. You're like you're calling your shot in advance. And the confidence of the Moseley scene is just like so overwhelming us, and it's so behavioral, and it's it's a given. And it just like, I know their answers for all of this. And they're not telling me any of it in the confidence. Seeps I like in most I feel so that they seem a little pissed off that they walk in there kind of these. I guess you can't bring your droids. You know, there's just a sequence of people turning knows the podcast, but just like turning the list. Whatever it doesn't matter. I don't care. I've got my life to live rate. I've got my weird alien right jazz. Listen to Jisr. Dan, right. But it is just sort of like behavioral stuff there. And you guys last night. Was you seeing the final movie for the first time you've seen it with the effects on finish the thing? David I kept saying to the entire time. Was this thing is so fucking beautiful. Looking screw it looks like Michael man movie. Like, first of all, we're like a neon been recording. Michael man episode. So we've been watching the early ones it's got that same like neon the war thing where it's like a lot of exterior night that's just lip by like the street lamps and the signs too. It's wetter. It's very, you know, in the screenplay if you were to read the screenplay varies a direct reference to my favorite movies, the third man great movie, which is my absolute apex of to me. Just the number one movie. I love that you wrote them. So the. It's when detective Pichu appears from the shadows. And we wanted to capture that moment when Harry lime has an Orson Welles in order around belly. So maybe that's why three eight three great men. Three great guys. Great guys. Orson Welles sort of like slightly husky mode. Not yet at raise. Right. But you know, so it's nor lax he's at peak achier. So sometimes you'll read a review that's like these writers didn't care, right? Sure. Just didn't give a shit about anything put noth ought into whatever. And you're sitting there going like you like the movie, you don't like the move, whatever. Like, the one thing that is definitely not true from I would say ninety nine point nine percent of writers is that we just didn't give a fuck and we were like a page. Whatever task that check. I gotta go to like. Right. You just turned into Thursday. I dunno pitchy has a hat or something is this. Okay. Seems fine. Whatever who cares that. That's the kind of thing where I'm like. No, actually, like when they're on the train, and there's a video. I was like, well, I really liked the scene in total Benji. We're talking about health care, low Rico aware, you know, you sort of introduced to recall, and it's kind of a weird concept, but they very economically got little intravenous. Right. Where you're like is this on the level? But at the same time, it's establishing very Orton sort of pipe, and yeah narrative stuff, and and so all of those decisions like at a foundational level at the kind of go back to the beginning of of what we're talking about. Which is like these are all decisions and reference points that have to be kind of made pretty early on. And then of course executed by the director and everyone got him. But those were all things that we really did put a considerable amount of thought into. I mean, don't you think veggie yet for sure and? Yeah, I mean, the director rob Letterman, and you know, the DP and the like they made it look so good shot on thirty five shot on film. And I think that's a big part of why it feels like the old Michelman movies. And like it just it feels real. Hey, stop lying to yourself. I'm so it's up lying to myself. You know, one time to go to the post office. Really, okay. When you think that you aren't I I don't have time for all that traffic and parking. What can I do? I'm just gonna keep letting them know. Okay. No. No, no. Hey, David, tell the truth. Tell the truth. Okay. Tell detroit. Okay. Okay. This is why you need stamps dot com. 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I have some meal it to them type in check. You get a four week trial plus free postage and initial scale by. And the other thing the couple things that stood out to me. I mean, one is like digital cinematography is a very long way, but certain like shadows. And certain like aspects of light it still has a hard ten capturing in this movie. You have the like fucking third man thing. We're like when they're inside the room is like lit by like, the the light peering through the slats of the window blinds, which might be like, purple or white. There's the scene I think we're we're Justice Smith and Kathryn Newton meet for the first time and their lit by the flashing their. Yeah, right there like in the lobby of building. But their faces keep on changing from red to blue. Yeah. Yeah. It's very blade runner. But then the crazy thing is anytime, there's a Polk Amman in the scene. It looks more tactile, and you're like, right when you're putting digital effects into digital photography a lot of times, it brings out the artificial every and when you're. Putting the filters of like film equality onto the creations. They feel very like in the world. They also felt to me like watching it like this feels like they're using CGI to make them look like slightly more expressive nineties like animatronic like it felt very tattered pile. And they looked like like early nineties like Henson company sort of like like, it remind me a lot of where the wild things are where on that. It was like big physical suits and only the faces were CGI and this presumably was all CGI, but the furs frigging nightmare to make this scene. Yeah. Seattle. Yes. Last night. Who's awesome? Yeah. And I said, you know, because it's the first time we'd met in person with Twitter larusso. What was the most difficult sequence to edit? And he just looked at me like all of every every scene was the most difficult. Onset at all. We shoot. London. We were not onset because we were working a day on TV show at the time. Okay. So we were because you also worked on the Texas. We worked on on critically beloved season two of the to Amazon. What are you doing? What are you doing Amazon come on? What are you doing creek a bunch of Mike bumps where I know critical. Love would be a hundred percent on around tomatoes if they had enough. I don't wanna say who maybe the network we're on did not submit it to enough Critic's review. I did appreciate the reviewers that took the time to go and root me to like they really like fought it out. Yeah. But yes, a thing. I know about you guys is that you certainly care a lot. Yes. And I feel like there are a lot of people in this industry who self identify as like dorks or big fans. I mean, you meet them. They're like, you watch this once when you were like twelve you don't really care, and you guys are like incredibly genuine in your enthusiasm and your like love for these things. Yes, you're. Huge nerd 'cause we were like deeming we were both at all three of us are at wonder kind and Anaheim, and we were like whenever I get time to look, my toys and stuff I had to go pick up my commissions from artists alley right? I was like I looked press, and you guys really trying to get more. Like is there any time? We're all going to be free to be able to like shop together. Everyone else. Like are group's. I'm sure you guys have experienced two when you do these things are just like why would you go to the floor like everyone else doing press with is just like this is not my world. It looks like shit shot and really serve your going. As what am I going to not? Comecon people were like, oh, what parties are you going to? That's every over there. It's going to sign X men. One eighty. You as Commissioner, I do have a grew the wander. Genuinely every time. I hover around because he's always have command. I hover around his booth and I'm to starstruck to actually step into my advice. I extremely I stand there for five minutes. We'd probably ready to be nice my vices to just do it. When you may now because I'm the artist Jerry Robinson who created the joker Comecon, maybe six or seven years ago, and a lot of people actually weren't aware of who he was he just had a little booth that artist's alley and I said to my friends eventually this is like a legend we have to get mission by this guy, and he passed away about a year later, and it was just every time. I look at this Batman that drew for me. I'm like, I am so happy that I have this to commemorate this really important person. And that's so yes, the geek dome is like right earnestly come by. And like, honestly, you know, true. I mean, I sometimes one of my frustrations. About this industry is I do think that sometimes there is a little bit of. I don't know. If disdain is the right word. It's probably the right word for people that are like to passionate about a certain thing. So sure. That to me, obviously, you have to be like a normal person. You can't be. You know, so socially raft that capable of. Being professional, but I've always felt like neuro get people that give us shit. Right. I think there's this weird thing of people who don't give a shit hiring other people who don't give shit because they think it's cooler or not give a shit, and I feel like the first like six years of me like hitting the pavement trying to have a career. I kept on being told your problem is you care too much. Like, I got that for like six years as like an actor in everything just like you get like to invest in the shit. You like want these things too much you care too much about the thing. And and you you see at the very often these jobs go to the people who are just like bring some fucking Pokemon movie. And you're like, why did you hire the guy who hates the fact that he's being paid a million dollars to write the Pok Mon move. And if you were behind the scenes with some of the people that we've encountered sure he would feel even more. So that way you'd be like, yes, sure. You don't even like the property that you're writing like, you view it as like an albatross around your neck that you. I've got a job. Yeah. Got it. Right. Thunder cats. Cats. That's a good example where there is definitely I'm sure doesn't people in Hollywood are like, I know thunder cats backwards and forwards I grew up with it. I have a take on it that can like week in this era. Right. This is what we're talking about within serve fan services. That's dismissive thing. Right. This is too into itself, depending, you know, like who cares about cap doing this in vendors. Ain't right. You know? And it's like new people care people have been there. Or whatever. And I think there's a difference between it's like, you know, what is fan Sirs even anymore. You know, when this stuff is the monoculture, you know, when it's not like you're catering to some sliver. But it's the difference between like these things that are like genuine story payoff that you've set up properly versus like league victory lapping. We're just like let's get like cheap pops off of growing your thing. You now I feel like anything that's properly integrated into a story whether or not satisfies the fans, then it's fucking then that storytelling a works. Right. No. And I will say to to legendary credit like vacation to us because they knew you were nerd, right? And who are the biggest nerves that we know? Who knew they didn't want hire assholes. I'm sure right. And they you know, we had worked with the producers on a movie in the past that that didn't go. Yeah. And you know, a year later they called us do. You guys are the biggest nerds, we know. And so, you know, here's the nervous properties. We have for you. So you guys you have many many TV credits. This is your first produced feature film get. Yes, any and you got you got some pretty credits on this movie because I know credit attrition can be a whole thing. Oh, it can get in story and screenplay by which is kinda like the double Wham. Yeah. It was it was definitely. It was a nerve wracking process. And I don't know if people necessarily know about this process. Hey as much as you want to I hope it's not too inside vase. I guess I guess this is an ever were a place. And I want you guys also to define this people of assets. And we promised to talk about never did the difference between the anchor sand and the written out, and oh, yeah. People don't. Is we're writing right, Dan, Hernandez and Benji Samit right right with an amber sand and the the word and is people that came in before. Right. Separate sort of separate writings. Lucienne side right side. Right. Like you Griffin. I have been accused of carrying way too, much many times fun thing to hear that doesn't make you want to jump off of it. When you into specially when discussing an artistic creative enterprise care about you go to these meetings with people were like, oh my God. I'm still so coked up from last night. Any what your problem is you care too, much moved to L A? All right. I want it to be good. That's why on on literally day one that we started working on this movie. We came in and said the number to poke him on this movie is going to be side. Right. Of course. Because that is I mean, Dan, especially related I relate to side are. I mean, I don't know. If you guys have ever gone into something awful for him. But like they used to hit emoji. Right. Here's a big sort of heal. Right. Yes. So it just to me see those are the kind of decisions that we had that we personally made early on that. I think are I'm the most proud of some of those things because we sort of pitched the potential of this character. And I think that you'll see from side of side from the advertising from the trailers and the response confidence the break-up he's the bring character. But we sort of said at that initial meeting we think he can be the break character. Obviously peak is gonna be beloved. But so the. The. Yes. So that was a long way of saying that credit arbitration can be very stressful. As much as we right? Let's talk about it. So basically in any big not necessarily any big movie yet in many, many big movies. I would say most. Yeah. The the credits that you see on the screen don't necessarily do not represent the amount of writers who worked on this project, especially this usually as tens of writers friends of writer so you'll see but because of writers guild of America rules on the screenplay credit. There can be up to three entities evangi count as one shirt shirt. So he can have three entities for that. And to entities for the story. Right. Right. And there's there's some different Benji has like a masterful. Command of this sort of the new art. Can you say the different twin story and screenplay or what is the difference between stories scream sort of created elements versus dialogue and scenes. Yeah. I mean screenplay is I think the actual things that they base it off of our dialogue contributes the screenplay. The unique like seen structure within the scene. It's some of the characterization seem shirt stuff. Like that. The the story is really. Yeah. Your your big picture beat for be. Yeah. The characters things like using which stuff from the game to dapper shirt, the actual movie. That's the other weird thing with story Kratz on something. That's based off of something. It's like in in a nightmare. Alternate reality where you guys got pushed off this project early. And most of your stuff was rewritten. There's an argument like, well, they were the guys who pushed for side, doc. So they kind of get a story by credit aside. Ach has a large role happens. And so. You have these these these two elements story and screenplay and in general. You will then you'll so you'll have let's you'll have the first writer the first person that's gonna put pen to paper. And and that, you know, and then they say thank you screenwriter one. Great job. You're either going to go do another job. We don't like you anymore. It was that Nicole Perlman for this in case, Nicole Perlman came in at the very beginning, very beginning of the process and then. Relatively early on. She then had to go back to captain marvel. She she's one of those timing. She's great. Yeah. Right. But sort of maiden industry off of being the first crack at a screenplay, right? Feel like a very full docket jumping from one thing to another in this show lay out the foundation for she was she was really just she did the first outline she'd ensuring through the first screenplay. Sure. And so yeah, it was a little it was a little different, right? I think originally she was going to do the first play. But. So Dan, whatever it was she had to go to marvel labyrinth movie. She wasn't on that. But she's the person who might serve identify the basically out of the skeleton such as your for example, peekapoos detective on the case. So if you look at the credit, she also has store credit, right? Yes. So then, you know, you might go through if you're lucky you'll be the writer and you'll stay on the project from beginning to end. But if other things happen, or if you're busy or some of these screenwriters are so booked that they give dedicated about the time, and then they go onto another project. So then other writers to come in. And so then those writers begin to make changes, and then you know, and that can be anywhere from you know. One two three two two doesn't doesn't right depending on their stuff. They'll bring. Punch-up jokes, or you know, story breaking rooms, which I just imagined people being like what if he said like that's gotta hurt. And they were like here's twenty thousand dollars. It is kind of like a not quite dollars of standing right behind. Fifteen, but if you looked at some of the names who pitched jokes on on these movies, I won't I won't say it, but sterling really genius people. I mean, amazing. Oswald has been very open about the fact that that was his. Fifteen or twenty years before he really kind of broke into the mainstream as documents another one who always in the room. So there's a lot of people who are absolutely like genius who are coming in and doing this. And so now all of those people have to be taken in consideration. And then, you know, if you have a director who's writing the director is also working on case. A bunch of writing for this, right and deservedly got credit. So now at the end of this whole process, you know, we wrote this movie two years ago. Over two over two years ago. Now, they're like, okay. We need to figure out who gets what credit on this movie. And that process is done through the writer writers Bill of America are right, right? So basically, you get the final shooting draft, and you sort of have to make a legal argument in a way. The studio makes recommendation of who they think's you get credit. Sure. And then you know, you can protest it. Yeah. If you don't think that it's right. Representative of what the credit should be right. And you know, if there's a protest, you don't know who triggered the protests, or you know, there's certain things that trigger automatic right, which ration- like in this case, we were we knew we were going to have an arbitration because when the director is a writer, it's an automatic arbitration. Sure. Sure. 'cause I wanna make sure that the director not in this case, sometimes director might want to just get credit for everything right? Sometimes director like will tweak a couple lines and say that they can I'm writer on in the old days. I think that this was it. Right. Right. Like in the, you know, the the studio days like. So. Yeah. So then they send you, you know, the the final script, and they also send you every draft from along the way, right, and you read through everything and. Right statement. Worse job is the the reader the WG a who has to read through like eight hundred dreamt, so they have. Well, that's exactly right. And so then it goes to a panel of three are arbiters who are other writers that have been through this process. And you know, they do their best to to place authorship on to get the most work, right? And there are certain numerical thresholds that you have to hit which is kind of to me like amorphous. And and you know, the difference between thirty three percent thirty two percent, right. You know, I made the joke occasionally like when I saw captain marvel. I was like well every stunt cat was credited by net. It was like Nova and Luna, scratchy. But probably someone who wrote twenty five percent or theoretically someone who had risen by out of that movie would have their name literally not on the moving. Right. And they're weird things where sometimes, you know, they bring in a writer to rewrite something just because they're like we need another. Pacifists? But sometimes the bring people in as like a skill shooter where they're like the villain isn't working or we just need the dialogue tightened up or the story. Last thing makes no sense. Sometimes depending on how much of an influence that one element has someone could get a disproportionate credits on the film because they're pass ended up even though it was only meant to affect the one thing. So you have all of these different factors. And then ultimately they make a determination. And that determination is what you see on the on the movie and Arqes we felt very happy. The we got the first position on the screenplay on the story because we felt like we were there at the beginning of this this end for better or worse if you. Like, the movie that's very much on us. And if you hate it that's student. You guys put a lot of the meat on those bones. I would. Yes. I I mean, I think, you know, the the process work the arbitration in in my opinion was fair and gave it to the right people. You know, I think us, and rob and Derek the credited. Did did the bulk of of the screenplay, and I think it's a few of the other writers that didn't end up getting credit. It was. Yeah. It was more targeted stuff. You said. I don't think they were expecting at it. There is a debate in the in writer circles weather, people who don't make their names for the screenplay or the story by deserve. Additional writing material red shirt. Provide animation cO WPA right jurisdiction. Yeah. There's an additional writing credits. Yeah. And I think it kind of makes sense. I it seems like it would make good sense. Because it's also like you have a lot of people. There are so many of the most successful screenwriters in Hollywood have no credits to their name. Right. And it's like within the industry, they get hired a lot because people know that they did the work on these things, but they don't have anything they can actually sort of site as a produce work where their name was on it. Right. And as you know, it's in it's like, you know, you know, on the tick all of the writers were working on everything, right? Everyone episode it we're consulting producers on every episode of into right? And, you know, different writers, get different producer credits or staff writer story editor, right? And you have your episode episode two is your episode, quote, unquote. But that doesn't imply that you guys wrote that entire episode on your own or that you didn't work on any other episodes. Correct. That's right. So I personally am in favour of additional writing material credit. I think there are some legitimate reasons why some people are against it. And you know, I I I understand those reasons, but there is something to me. That's a little itchy that someone can work. Yes. The right lines that people say in the movie and the Dunkin the recognition for it. But you know, it's it's in my opinion as it's like the best process. We have this time, it sure not to say that it's perfect and mentioned I've actually both been arbiters. Well, it was the same the second. We we won arbitrate. Killed immediately called us, and you wanna do feeling good. Yeah. It was good that we did it because it was really interesting to be on that side of things do realize once you are in the position of making determination. We took it extremely seriously. And you realize that actually it is best to have fellow writers adjudicating, this kind of thing because there are some nuances that other people who aren't in it in that way might not necessarily be like if you had a lawyer, right? Right. From the credits and everything it's also like, that's that's the line between whether or not you're potentially in line for residuals and everything right yet, which is humongous whether or not you have an ongoing financial stake in the right? So for the five of you who were hoping for an in depth exploration of the credits. Peak achieve. Expecting that. I think it's really interesting personally. I mean, I think that the process of I do think that the process of putting a movie like this together just in its DNA is so radically different from someone who is making an independent movie. Yes. Who's got their script that they're championing right or years? This is not a blacklist. This is not this is we have friends who are like putting together the financing for their movies. Trying desperately go to Europe and shakes on day. One of us writing. We were already meeting with concept artists, and he was going to get. Seeing on right, right? You know, just off like we're pitching ideas for scenes that they start the like animating, Anna Matic's for without us having dialogue for it. It's a speeding train. And it's like you guys can't stay on. And they're gonna find someone else to conduct. It's going to let you see. I mean, I think that once you have a lot of different experience. Benji I've been very fortunate in the sense that we've worked on single Cam television. We've worked on multi Cam television. We've worked on big studio movies. We've worked on smaller movies. We've had animated script. You know? We've we've been fortunate to like get to play in a lot of different realms, and you do realize that while the skills are very similar and can be you know, certain things are applicable to everything there are nuances to each of those things that are kind of you have to kinda learn the the intricacies of them in order to. I think be successful. David your credit? How often do you give something the full five star? Something a five to take the pee cheer Brooklyn. And she that's about it. Let me ask you this question as well. When when you take a rideshare app. Right. Like a whole fucking review where you're like. Oh, it started out kind of intriguing, but it fails to pay off in the last drop off. I don't know not really giving five stars. Yeah. 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I mean, certainly the setting the university from taking place in the majority of supporting cast that stuff's being passed over to you. And it's like you have to pick which elements you have to curate from here. Then there's the video game which in terms of like is not a very straight adaptation of the video game. It's like Pika you can talk. He's a detective mystery partnership with a human in rhyme city said the and it's the same thing of like people are out with their out with Pokemon. And yet it was a bit of a challenge at first because. Yes, like the entire universe of Pokemon is a given that's being handed. Yes. But because this is such a weird side were like we're now writing script where like polka movie where we can't really use polka balls. Right, right. There's no battling. There's no trainers. It is. So a lot of like this the obvious choices of things like the state the old standbys. Yes. There's no team rocket and do that. Right. I've sometimes compared to reading source movie without a lightsaber or the force. Right. It's like a movie if what if you went to Maasai Cantina, and there was like a sort of one to one mystery to deal with we just say on. On drink and left. Ever showed up. Yeah. Say this too. It's like watching was like, this is what I kind of want the Star Wars standalone films to feel like it's just a sandbox, and I just interviewed the Russa brothers about avengers. And I asked them like couldn't couldn't marvel make like a forty million dollar move. Like, isn't that possible? And they're like, obviously, theoretically, maybe, you know, but like they weren't they weren't like. Yeah, we totally want to do that. But you could make a a ground level movie in any of these. I feel like that's what TV was. Harry satisfying act reason I felt the same like there was a series of books when I was like tails for mostly Cantina. Yes. Yes. It was like what's the bartender up to, you know, Han solo is doing and I would watch them. Felt like there's like stars. For instance, does seem like there's room in the Star Wars universe to just have a Harley. Oh. Oh. One hundred percent, the Star Wars crime movie like what you know. And I don't know if you remember do you remember like before Disney bought? Star Wars George Lucas had been like, we've commissioned seventy scripts. Wire of Star Wars. I was so pumped. I was like, yes, we're the fuck is the water of that. Right. Not to say, I don't look up what it was going to be called. I do love, you know. I mean as a fan like I'm in on it. I'm gonna see it everything. But it does sometimes feel like there is room within some of these bigger franchises to kind of do something a little weird. It is incredibly weird though that this is the starting point for the live action ration-, and you go. Okay. So you're not making a red and blue movie, you're not adopting asterik. And then like the b or the c would be like you have to make a new emotional story about a Polk Amman trainer. And then you guys moved to like twenty seven like moved off the alphabet and into numbers. Well, so so what we tried to do since we couldn't do poke trainers or any of that stuff. We wanted. We thought about like, well, what is something from the Pokemon universe that we can carry over. Yeah. And and what we focused in on was the concept of evolution, which which I think is really switch is, you know, right? That's inherent to Pokemon Pokemon. So we wanted to write something about like, what does it mean to evolve like not just poke amount of all Ving, but can people evolved a relationships evolve. So that was sort of our day one starting point that we worked off of. But that also brings in the whole interesting thing about the I when I was like fucking twenty and dumb. I like stayed up until like six o'clock in the morning. It's thirty thirty end. Right. But I stayed up until like six o'clock in the morning, I friend John writing fucking poke Amman pitch are fucking insane. Edgy violent Pokemon pitch. That was I guess, I'm sure jail. I was I was arrested briefly. But it was the oh, the Polk Amman snap, and they turn against the humans and zombie movie with the Pok my because I was so. Even writing this. Great. No when I was college. I get drunk in Iraq, right? Star Trek erotica. It was like. It was not not in earnest. But like my friends would provoke me and be like come on. Okay. Because I was so fascinated by like the weird like underbelly of like the polka. My franchise never talks about her. This is kind of a weird abusive relationship between the humans and the Polk Amman sometimes the games would. But then it would always be villain who is saying things, and it would turn out he had some ulterior motive and forget about it. But this movie from the gecko like even in what you're talking about the relationship with volition. It's like this uneasy thing between the humans, and the polka mom where it's like they have this dominance, but the humans also sort of like feel like insignificant next to the poem because they have the ability to grow in this way. And in that like Verhoeven like back a train video you explain the thing of how like. History. See the hieroglyphic where it's like humans have had this weird like transactional like using their powers Italy, or or whatever it's called in Egyptian cave painting and people are trying to find the MU bones because they're like probably the key to this whole thing. It was you knew bone shit. Poke postpone pokey bones. Oh, right. Yes. Bone progenitor bones. So yeah, I mean that was something that we sort of had to make some decisions about screenwriters. And what we settled on which I think is one of the best parts of the movies idea that the Pokemon have an emotional understanding of their. Yeah. That always felt kind of true too has to be right, right or right or wrong. I do feel that I have that. With my dog. I feel that my dog has an innate understanding of of like, yes. And sometimes dogs don't obey. You is. Right. Him on won't obey its. I think it goes. Yeah. It's like that. But even further in all the Pokemon anime and games, right? Right. There is a communication between trainers and hokum on and yeah, we just wanted to explore that and take it further a little bit more explicit that there is actually while you were choosing Pokemon that they also have to choose you. Right. I think is something that that's a line. You have in that opening sort of where Justice Smith is hunting, Cuba, hunting wrong. Casing. Yeah. And you just had that line sort of tossed off line. But it kind of settles a lot of the weird questions of the whole relationship polka ball. You have them the feel like he kinda hit like some of the familiar beats of like, this is the live action GameBoy watering grass. Yeah. Right. I don't know if you guys know this. I addition for that role. He did you hear this should for the the France, right, right? Who gets a ninety percent of the roles? I addition for deserve at least, he's very he's very good actor, but the sides that I got because I showed this David because I wanted to make David probe that had gotten a tech the peak audition this sides for this audition. They tried to like rewrite the skies them. So they would know that it was a. So they changed it all to dog related nouns pooches. Yeah. In the so instead of Hokka ball. It was baseball through a baseball pooch. Actually, the truth is out. Now, I guess we actually wrote pooches. Yeah. He wrote detective. Check check this. We had a pitch, and this is all grafted on after the fact, and they were like this could very quickly become a Amman. I don't know. Never heard that. I've never done not familiar. You wrote the script about asshole kids throwing baseballs at maybe this. That was the other implication was so weird because it was like look at that dog out there in the field here. Throw a baseball. I think the thing that you guys do not touch on. That would be the hardest for any movie to touch on is the fact that in the game you can just put like hundreds of Pok Mon into a computer and never think about them. Yes. I don't know that life is like Pokemon. You know, it's fine when you have your team and you're walking around, but then you're just catching these. Yeah. Put him in the computer, whatever right here about them. Another retaliated. The ball. Logic is like tough like it's fun to watch the one ball seeing the beginning. But then I'm like, I'm glad we're spending this way from the ball because I just start to go like is it like my dream of Jeannie like we cut inside. Or they like lounging on a couch. Think there's a lot of interesting stuff to be done. Sure with that. So I sort of you know, we'll see if that gets explored in the future in some way. But that yeah. I mean, get I personally like the think that there is something luxury assured that it's like the target is it's huge, and they live happy. Maybe that's about it think it's one of those things in live action. Not as you said, it shouldn't touch it in other live action Pokemon always of which I seem now ninety seven. But there is something different. You gotta catch all those films in live action versus animation where if you have a dude walking around with a belt with like six balls on every step. He's taking your life. So there's like. Right in there. That guy has a seed lizard. What I do think that for people like my mom that shows one good thing about doing it as detective Pika choose in this context because there there is some familiarity that many people are bringing to this that they keep him in the balls and they fight. Dr people that have no context for this. What's going on? Right. We have to call the ASPCA or. I don't know like the other guys talk about the relationship between the humans, and the Pok Mon in everything it reminded me of like like his dark materials like like the weird sort of Damon. Yeah. Yet of like when you have the early seem with Ken Wantanabe who is fucking killing it, and this move one of my favorite actors, and I did not get to talk to him. At the premiere was he there was there on the red carpet or the yellow car. I was like next to him. And I was like almost like that. It was it was and then he was gone. It was like David he wears the shit. I have a door. So looking. Very straight. So in the I I was like. Oh shit the last samurai. Yeah. Yes. A haughty is. I mean, he's very good in almost anything. He does he was on stage and the king, and I you know, gotta Tony like you can do anything. But unless the helix so thoroughly embarrasses, Tom Cruise on screen is a charismatic performance. I love Tom Cruise. Let you talk and samurai is his strongest performing. But like that seen or can watch obeys like doing a play for people in the Los Angeles. Yes. For the ninja. Exactly. And he's like you're like, oh my God. This guy is like like face melting Lee charismatic, can I can I you defend defend, Tom. Hammering on the floor is a moment in that same sequence. Yes. Where at the end of it. And I think it's beautifully shot. I love the way to look part is that at home of your shop. And there's a scene at the end of the ninja attack where Ken Watanabe and Tom Cruise are standing back to back. Oh, yeah. At the end, and they're just like in the in the in the midst of like battle fearing, right? You know, and and they kinda look at each other. And they understand understand each other at that is some good face accurate from Tom Cruise that is. He's a great face. I want to rewatch the movie anyway, it's been it's been to come back for that one. Please. Let me come back for that one because I studied series. Yeah. For this week. Yes. I'll come back for this week. I just like in that scene. The dynamic of like, here's this conversation happening between two humans, and then everyone all you cut out like a shot. And he's a clean demurring rush. Nationally is like he's like, I don't know like a German shepherd or something might have like an animal that you know, is sort of like almost a little tough guy because are other worldly there is that thing of just like, you know, with dogs. We're like do do they get like I want to believe my dog like an eye on the same level? They don't have the same sort of facial expressive nece to know that they totally get what's going on and the Pokemon on this. You're like you can tell which Pokemon get it which ones don't you can tell which ones are keyed in and which ones aren't which ones are kind of like wild, which one's more sophisticated. This is another thing. I loved was just like anytime, you have these sort of scenes of the city. I mean, especially that that the first scene where he gets the train. But like I feel like movies like this. They get so drunk with the potential like we can do anything that it just becomes like fucking noise. And watching this there's like a weird amount of restraint and how the Pok or animated where some of them are just like sitting on a bench. Yeah. There's. When he checks into or where is it when he adds apartments apartment, and there's the one against the glass early moving, and it's animating these things like they could be practical. They're not over animating them because they can. And so you just have these little things we're just like the flicking of like eyelids little muscle spans, the guiding principle from rob at the very beginning was just like with make it real. Yeah. Real and. Yeah. So it's not like, overly flashy or silly. Or like what you know? What is the thing that this would be doing to appeal to little kids the most like if if there was really a lizard, Pokemon? It would probably just be stuff to window like that feels like it's a given. And it makes it kind of. I would imagine a slightly easier by and for people who aren't like invested in Polk Amman because the movie just treats it like this is just like a thing. And you gotta roll with. Yeah. Sure. But then also Mutubu is in this move, right? Which is. Which is like somebody words with me. Exactly. Like, this is more like deeper Lor like you should maybe know what we're talking about understand this. I feel like that's boulder. That's a little risk. I don't know. I mean, it was you know, Mutubu was one of the harder elements to nounce when when writing it, and I think that that was something that that everyone worked on throughout the entire the movie because it does require a little bit of deeper Lor. And it does require an understanding that there are like. I don't know tears of Pokemon that well, this one is there's a lot of peekers out there. There's only one there's only two it's sort of. It's man made its powerful than anyone else. It's kind of a person. Talk powers. It makes smoke monster. Yes. I smoke monsters get real big and heat. They fight for the MU to right? That's the power. Oh, no. Was just guessing like a psychic Pokomo terrorize your brain like that. Freddie. Krueger. Sure. Yeah. There is so forth. There is a lot of gas in this movie, then gas little files purple gas charge up interest is like an evil drug. Oceans potion. Weaponized potions low or please scientists. Trying to think what else is going on in this one. David. I don't know if you've heard the news start spreading shoebox died recently. That's true Peterman laughing because the very serious, we Santa legend. Yes, we do stand. A legend oldest friends on the show. It'd be clear Peterman Hugh died. Two bucks is owned by Disney, and we'll live forever. Only time will tell. Disney very respectful company that never explained type pass it Selby. But let me just say this. What's the thing that both true Baca and Peter Mayhew have in common had in common? They were over the age of thirty five great hair. That's true. You see those who had good hair until the end Shuba has great here is a walking corporate team. Disney is gonna kill him. The next two months. They're gonna kill him before rise of the Skywalker comes out there. Just to message it'll short we lost him. They're gonna kill you in SNL digital short cannon. But what he's going to die with a full body a hair. 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But also was like you need to go into the movie knowing that Ditto exists. You have the one shot of Ditto earlier. Yeah. Don't worry about it. It's still functions on the story level. But I'm saying the moment where he says it's a Ditto right before the Ditto reveals itself, I was cheering was cheering. My momma be like, let's just watch just watch. What he did? It's always a balance because when you write I I would say in general, there's a tendency in the first. Screenplays to over explain because you are thinking about those sorts of things when you're writing which is like, well, we need to expand with the Ditto is and we need to like what like who who broke ground on rhyme city. Company did they use? Yeah. Which construct, you know, so you're they used Pokemon do they actually in the there's a little bit of movie, but there was like in the original screenplay like like girders doing a lot of of gas. We really like very Flintstones were gravely study was like, what is the infrastructure? Do they Bill? So you there's a tendency to go into it. And then I think that when director or whoever is watching the movie sometimes the things that you think are important guests proved not to be as we found that on the tick. Yes, I'm sure that you you probably saw some of the drafts and process, and then when you see the finish episodes like we just for example, like what's the clue going to be? Is it going to be a shoe? Is it going to be right? And it'd be this isn't going to be glasses. Is it going to be a truck? Is it going to whatever? And so what you realize I felt when I was watching the season. I was kinda like, you know, what we spent so much time picking the clue making this looking. Yeah. And it literally did not matter then then may feel differently the of the, but I. Felt like yes it worked. But but also like the the proportion of time spent to like the labor. Room the amount of time spent on that chew, right? Was no I'm I remember being in the room. I think when the shoe was being argued for like ours. Ours we read so I think sometimes that happens when you start to go to the edit. Yeah, you start to be like, you know, what maybe there's some people that are going to be confused by did of. But maybe most people are going to. He shapeshifts shaping. Okay. Right. So time you get to that. Like people are already on board with so much craziness that it's just like, right? You're either you're either already well on board or we already lost visually established. Yeah. So you know, I wanna make it clear I was fully on board. But it is true. You're not rock. I mean, there's a lot of moments like that in the movie where you kind of just got to go with it. And I think that some people will be able to and so people will not, and that's maybe okay. But also for property this big. It's not like, you know, you you can presume that a lot of the audience is going to have some base knowledge. You know? That's that's not like an insane assumption to be like the one fifty one are in the cultural vernacular Iringa Ditto is such a fan favorite rate that. Yeah. You you think that most people would have some? Idea about if you're any amount of a fan. I'll tell you thing. I didn't have an idea of until I watched the movie I am sexually attracted to women. Did oh is. Waterhouse with little beady nude. I mean, even here we see Chris gear with. No, maybe. No. Well, actually, we did. We did was into that. I was into any human form. That's a brave admission. This is very high. Show one issue. You're I think you might be in trouble. I don't think you're gonna find it did a white person in the real real. Hey. Hey. Body Mods now. Like some reality you pay enough. Yeah. You can find it. I have a beautiful girl girlfriend ger beautiful. Metal plated is named TC for. I got no complaints on my aunt in this movie pitchers. Detective right? This isn't important thing that we haven't really a hat. He has a has a little case coffee. Clues. Let's Clinton he's got a thirst for Selva case loves it. He's voiced by Ryan Reynolds. Did you have any concept of like what kind of personality you wanna the act like when you're writing like, obviously in writing with the knowledge that like this is a Ryan Reynolds role. Right. It was pre Ryan Reynolds writing involved. I think this is where we were really inspired by like classic Noir. Right. Or like we wanted him to feel like a, you know, middle-age Noir detective, right? And that was John Pollino in the big lebowski. Very super deep cut. About him. No like, Fred macmurray. I don't know something. Like, right. Like those guys. One of those kinda like told drinks water. I have been obsessively reading Raymond Chandler jer. And I actually really love the original radio shows of Philip Marlowe vistors interesting with a guy named Gerald Moore. Who was it's actually quite well, okay. It is probably not interesting. But it's very interesting to me, which they tried to do this Philip Marlowe show with this guy van Heflin, and they did the pilot episode. They did pilots radio shows and. The episodes called red wind, and it's okay, it's fun. It's like pretty good. It's kind of you know, by the numbers a few a year later. They were like, you know, what let's try this again, we're going to get this Gerald more. We're going to do the same pilot. Wow. So you can actually do it comparison of the two pilots. The exact same. It's maybe a little different. But same store it's called red wind. And when you listen to the difference between these two guys, you're it is nine day, this guy, drove more was in credible. And so I was really at night immersing myself in kind of Newark classic Noir from forty nine fifty these books. And so when you go deep that or even things like the narration and blade runner. Right. Original cut off in the news director, Scott, right? Not that. It's actually prefer the director Scott. But just trying to get a sense of these classical Eddie valiant in Roger rabbit, being a great example. Probably my maybe my favorite example. I didn't even think of Rodrigue that's huge. Because that's also I wore movie set in a completely bananas words, very bright warm. Yes. And that's really interesting that you know, Nuoro sort of an attitude in some ways and so few PG Noir films, which this like proudly wears even even rod rabbit is is a little harder edged and say a lot harder. No question. But what I think is great about personal Bob houses was like he is so into the he should have won six Oskar that you're no one gave that performance enough credit when you look back at some of these performances that weren't lauded. Yeah. And you're like actually the degree of difficulty in what this man was doing was impossibly who's working before anyone was used to sort of tennis ball act like he's working needed the process an actor of doing all of that. When they didn't understand what the reference points were. And like the guys were like editing that movie would say like it was incredible. He would like look at Roger rabbit. He would like turn around and do some business in the office. And then he would like find. The exact point where Roger rabbit would have traveled. You know, in attendance without them guiding seems insane. And by the way, Justice Smith, who is the protagonist very great actors, and he does a very his it amazing job of having chemistry with an, you know. All right. Is he holding a little doll like is there a thing in in some shots like a doll? Yeah. But you know, sometimes it was just all like, and there's someone playing the part onset or doing a dialogue off camera. But it isn't Ryan Reynolds. I mean, it's this weird thing having to do chemistry like silo as forces that have to cut together, so in so in any value case what I think is so brilliant about that movie. And it's one of my favorite is the reality in which he plays everything so straight. Yes. Yeah. These are real this issue. Tune cold is suck. Yeah. Tunes. Fuck it hates tune. And it's what makes that whole journey so rewarding by the end when loosens up is one of my one of the best arcs of any sort of protagonist by a just learning to. Learning the thing like attuned learning like know how to relate to them. And that's why one of my favorite moments in Pika CHU is the moment. Where Justice is character. Tim has a very motion speech to a ball before. Yes. And that was what is weird or things that engine? I have ever written. Yeah. We're sitting there like being like, I mean, we had this conversation. Like this to Weirs is full dramatic speech to a bull before they can't talk. But we just we we believed it, and and and we wanted to put it stayed through the end because. Yeah, I think it has that. Grounded reality to the whole thing. Like, this is real the stakes are real like. And it also was like this kid needs to learn how to communicate with these things on there that was to me the biggest influence from Roger rabbit, which is I think that that was so ingeniously done, and we really wanted to try to similarly capture that now, of course in red rabbit. They can talk back, right? So little bit, you know, other than detective matscher, but you know, you're semi biscuits. And yet like that kind of you get, you know, their personalities a little bit more. But that was definitely intentional on our part and something that we gave a lot of thought to and I was actually really pleased with the way that it came out in the movie. Well, just I mean, the thing I was very impressed with watching performances I feel like in this is a thing that bugs me often in films like this where someone has a tragic back story, and they kind of don't play it for ninety percent of the moving. Like, they only play the weight of the things when it's convenient for the scene, and they drop it whenever it gets in the way of anything else. I don't think there's a scene where you lose track of the fact that he's grieving over his father, even when it's like a funny scene. Yeah. I think he carries that technically the performances like insane because he's acting with a thousand species doing insane things all the time. But the thing is kind of like what you said in a less tragic away or maybe less violent way. He does have a bit of the valiant thing because it's like he's a kid who grew up loving poke Amman you want to be on trainer. Like most of us who grew up watching or playing polka Mon, and then he sort of like fell into the like, I think I have to grow up. I have to get a job. And also, I resent the fact that my father left me and spent all his time solving poke Amman crimes like I live in the real world that poke Amman world is some other kid business. And someone asked us a really good question. The other day when we were doing an interview they said did you intend? And for the arc of that character to sort of mirror. The ark of someone who was of szeswith Pokemon, and maybe got over it and then back to it. And I'd like to say that that was one hundred percent conscious. I mean, there definitely was some of it share. But I do realize now that there is a a very. There is a parallel there. Yeah. That is is I think that on some level that was what we were writing about you know, that you go from. I guess this comes back to the fandom that you know, it's like something that you just love with the intensity of kit. Right. Most intense thing that you that first blush of like, this is my thing. I'm forging my density around this thing, this is going to be part of me that I carry forward even if I start to drift away from the thing itself. And now we're hoping that what we're seeing on Twitter from people who have seen the early early screenings is people being like, I feel like again or I. Yeah. Or be like, I hope my favorite Pok Mon is in the movie, and that's very rewarding. My mind is not in the mood. I'm sorry. Who's your favorite Paul? It's why would never pick squirrel because when Bozrah showed up who's a big one for me very excited. Even though I knew he'd been in the trailer. They have been bulbous. I like it. There were a lot of them though. We felt like right herds of Pokemon a rarely thought about like in the in the world. You know, it's always a very one on one kind of experience when you're playing the game. So I like it. There was a heard that there was some sort of weird unspoken bulbous ritual that was sort of happening above a source. And that's my other favorite scene in the movie actually is the build up to that. The the March of the ball is it's it's like weird. I had a similar I Ross I recently rewatch, my neighbour Totoro. Sure never gonna call up on this podcast, one of my very favorite movies. Right. But the reason I love it so much that it is so unexplained. Yes, logically to there is no logic. Child's view the whole time. It just is. Yeah. He'd write us is if you look into the right forest on the right day with the right attitude. You might get a totara of you're right. You're protected above a certain my own. Well, that's how I and that was exactly that above a savant zone but Griffin. Immediately leaned over Boba soaring. And I was like, I usually pick all sorts. I never picked skurdal because I don't I don't wanna get locked into my water. Say I was trying manner guy terminators four inches a kit. Terminator is is a tough challenge. In the first game. He's the hardest. Pok Mon he sucks against the first two, Jim. Yeah. He's going to turn into the best underdog narrative. Right, right. Whereas stories the easiest, but I just like because he's you know, he's just cool. He's got a flower. His he's so he's the cute. So when we're reading that scene. We wanted a sim, and I think the director and the DP everyone did amazing job of catching this. But it was on the page because it was something that we really felt passionately about. We wanted to capture this sense of like if you walk into the right grove. And maybe you'd see a heard of Bubba sorts of your life would be completely different. And better. Do you guys ever? Put him on snap know that game is very much. It's very like Hertie. It's you know, it's like it's that idea. Yeah. Idea for a game whoever came up with that thing. I love to where it's just like once again, not talking any shed about another video game. I'll tell you that might have had recently poorly received trade might be about like a fast being of some thing. Nonspecific as possible. All of these characters. Look exactly like the original designs. Yeah. Only sort of filtered. They've been put through is make them tactile. And I like that just like, you know, what if you're going to see a poke him on movie you have to accept that. Some of them have flowers on their back. Some of them are ghosts yet. Some of them are made of raw it is what some of. Mechanical while the Cuban wears his mother's skull. This is the world you're living in baby. So now, they just they got scales. And they got the weirdest thing to think about is like none of the Pok Mon technically have closed. So right. Mister mind. Yes. That's dan. Yeah. He's. That's you know, you know, colors skirt is just like a skin, right? Where you're like seeing Mr. Mimas as a kid. It was like, oh, those things on the side of his head are meant to represent like clown hair and just not detailed. And then you watch it in the movie and you're like, oh, they're like weird like vista jewel. Like, they're like his ears like, they're not a hair. They're like these blue sachse flooded chew has red dots. And he's just got some red except you don't go like well. But if he runs fast, he must have the body of using bolts, we need to give them a very realistic human musk, consumer illustration Boba sort the, you know, the designer of the game which remembers name Saotome, she to Jerry, and this guy like sat down, and they would go to zoos, and they would draw a little animals, and he that drawing looks exactly the same as Boba sort dozen this movie has been chain. No, no. And that was a that was. Movie keeping the same silhouette? Yeah. It's really just some of the texture textures. It really is. And that that makes them feel so like. The others. There's no need to reinvent the wheel side. I was very happy with that was like a moment where it's just like these guys get it. Because like you saying we wanted side up to the breakout character. Like if you grew up with Pok, Mon you're like, yeah. Of course, obvious who else would be the option. Like, of course, I is your scene. Stealer. I mean, he's the Pokemon that has a built in attitude. Right. Right. Right. He comes with the person, you know, when there's a personality that's already like half, a work was already done with him. So we were like, yeah, we have to have the crate Chekhov's gun quality of just concentrating out. Like don't make them nerve. Yeah. And you know, some people at first were very surprised at Mr. mine was such a big part of the thing. But it's a similar reason. It's because story gift that it's this is a person with a comedic welcome with comedian going to comedic game that you can play and take advantage of as writers. You're really looking or not only who are the coolest book moan. But which are the ones that you can infuse some personality to or some specific personality because you know, there's many Mr. mimes in the world, right? This one day, right? And that's that's funny. But also that thing of like, none of them can talk. But this one can communicate Mr. has a baked in language. Yes. So was the father thing in place from the moment that you guys came up was that part of sort of the original inception of the thing. Yeah. I mean that goes back to the game. Okay. Okay. So the game also has that kind of like the Twitter. We're looking for the kids that right? Yes. And I think that if I recall correctly the first detective at your game actually doesn't resolve that storyline gun. It's it's it's it's it's the one that we got the the original Japanese one was only the first few chapters of the game. So there was no resolution to the story. I think the one that came out here. The more. It's a little. But even then it doesn't fully spell it out. We do. So the wasn't element of like, okay? We have to try to make this feel earned. Yes. Much as possible. Right. We tried to write emotionally, I know the other people involved in the movie did as well. And and you know, that was something that. It was it was challenging to strike the right balance because you don't want it to me maudlin, but you also want to deal I hope earnestly with with loss and grief and give Justice something to play which he did. Incredible. I think he did an amazing job of doing that. And you know, so how do you do that as a writer? For me, my parents, and I have great relationship with my parents. But my parents got divorced when I was very young. And I remember those feelings of loss and the same as a parent dying. But you try to say okay from some emotional reality. Yeah. That and can we infuse some of had into this crazy? That's also has to be a movie kids. You have that challenge to you can't make it to visceral or, but you know, you wanna skirt that edge, not as a back Patty thing. But since season two came out, I've seen sewing people responding to the danger boat up associates, just like how did they commit this heart into doing this emotional scene with a robot boat, and the answer is and neither of us were in communication about this. And I didn't piece it together until months later, but as you guys know from being in the room, Susan her return, sin producer, who's main writers on the show whose incredible person her best friend died like very short. Before writing this. And she wrote the danger brought up funneling all of her emotions into that that sort of sense of loss. And I like a month before we started filming one of someone very close in my life. Got diagnosed with a very serious illness. And there are one hundred percent fine now, but I showed up on set not knowing that she had written it based off of something real playing that scene as if I was taught your thing, and she took her thing, and we never communicate with each other. And we have this thing where people are like, why does the scene make me cry? This is stupid. But also if you're good things are going to act these things like why show up if you're not gonna give your all against the bulbous. You're not gonna write based off of your your divorced from your child's finger exactly on the most important thing. First of all Susan is a brilliant writer and didn't know what was interesting is that she was actually supposed to write the second of the season, which you guys ended upgrade, right, right? And I sort of not not to say that like, obviously, I'm sorry that her friend pass away that was a horrible thing. But. The way that it fell. She was able to. I think it's the best of probably of the season yet. It's a month. I. Obstreperous is really good that one. You know, I like actually like. Pretty good. Dan, veggie him aboard. To bumps, but but but yes, she gave it everything. Yes. She and the way that you actually that that was like, okay. Yes. It's a boat, but we're gonna take this so fucking seriously. It's got break, your heart. I showed up on set. And I didn't tell anyone that's because I thought it was daunting. But I was like okay cool for them. When I read the script, I went this is the day where I'm going to funnel in all my executive about me. A losing the person. I love this person might die. And that's and I it that comes through. And so that's the kind of seriousness and kind of going back to the beginning of our conversation is like if you're gonna read a book to write a fucking Pokemon movie. Don't don't you'll your punches. Dopey disdainful of it. Yeah. And and I'm not saying anyone was that. I'm just saying, you know, that was how like that carrying too much thing. Right. Was like, okay. Yes. I'm gonna care too much about this right now and Benji about the same way. He was he was giving checks. Yeah. No. I just wanted as much money as possible and for the check to save Pokemon company. That's right. Yes. So I I don't know. I think that the DNC Azam gap or the versatility. Yeah. Is is sometimes like very apparent right? When you see things that maybe people didn't believe in that much. And I really hope that people like the movie and respond to it aren't listening to this before. But I, but I think they will. I do think there's a generational thing. And for people like me who I was held like eleven years old video game came out. And so I've sort of been steeped in like like, I am so happy to see a movie like this. If you're a little older, you're like that thing always pass me by this just I don't get it. I can see that happening. No, there are there are some critics that I've seen on Twitter, whatever that have been like don't I I went in thinking Pok Mon were stupid. And I still think they're stupid. Why were you the critic like I'm gonna go see this thing if you already hate Pokemon video game critics, and of course. Yes. The video game movie as we've discussed is rife with bombs sort of missed opportunities or like a studio being like candid on all the nerds shit. Okay. Just John coupla damn can be guile. That'll be fine. Right. You know, he wrote. That's here. One day really Sousa is a one. Yeah. That's. He's actually. Moody filter of he had one day. Yeah. It's actually an incredible accomplishment cast, everyone they built a set. And then we're like. I time is six AM tomorrow. I went deep on this. Once I think it's on. But someone was also talking about it. But it was a really wasn't situation where they're like, we don't we don't have a script streetfighter is like well, you just draw right from the video game. Right. These street fights am bison. Are you ready? So what you're talking about? And I just think video game fan seem to be responding. Very positive. I was seeing. Kotok like an emotional story based off video game world. Whereas most video game was the problem. They get into it's an action movie. And if you're watching the action scenes, you rather be home playing them. Well, that's the thing. It's like this sort of the the video game movie curse that people refer to there is a thing where. Unlike other comic books or books or anything like that a video game people are used to controlling hundred being control number of its story. They don't just want to watch action that they're not lay. Right. Like, what's the it becomes instantly less fun like watching assassin's creed happen than the second? No. You're gonna facade. A couple of weeks ago. Yeah. Good more fun to play. He's never played. You would love to play it even more. I'm like, assassins. That's why I pick you love. Read about that gotta get that apple. So I'll try the game. You gotta try. When we're doing the peak at you. Yeah. We're telling a different type of story. It's very intimate specific emotional store. You're not trying to capture the whole world. You're not doing the battles, which probably the one battles. Right. Gotta give people a little bit cool. Magic carpet ball the. Stuff like that. Something six stuff that was an idea that we had earlier that really got to be in there. We wanted to show that they're. Lucien? This useless thing. Now is not so useless. But I'm interested in your guys in about the video game curse. Because it wasn't something that I was thinking about when we were writing this moves really at all, especially well, you got pudding when you've all you've already got the anime in. You know, you have a little more than video games to draw so much and so many different games. It's been filtered through so many different lenses. I do sort of want. You know, I've seen a few review. Like, I, you know, you're right. The game media has been so positive. Yeah. And some of them were traditionally based on video games, we go go see I would love to hear that list. I've been like it's it's pretty good. Does it break? The video came curse. I don't think. So my friends, and I sort of like, well, what is the like like weirdly like every time. One of these movies comes out, it seems like the bar is impossibly high in a weird way. I. I hope that someone writes, the godfather of video games, and it wins all shows you pick twenty twenty three it is kind of a weird. I don't know. It's sort of a weird. I don't wanna say fake. But it's like it's like a self only prophecy. Maybe there is a little bit of like, it's like it's like a carrot that some people are dangling. Yeah. It's like did you break it? I don't think. So. But I think Benji onto the right thing, which it is like, it's it's speaks of the we're relationship people have to these things and sometimes have some like street fighter where you're like. Wow. This is an exciting world. Look at these characters what we're locations. There's no real story to go off here. Desouza is writing the script. And even that's impressive for a one day script person makes thing out of whole cloth. They wrote the king speech. Every movie with every good screaming. Here's here's some. Here's somebody game. So you've got your they've they've taken a few cracks mortal combat. I'm gonna tell you which ones that I think are good. Okay. Do you want me to go chronologically or by? Okay. Okay. Okay. So the first degree video game movie really ever is Kramer. Okay. Super. Mario brother. I think that movie that movie is Chris is crazy. I like it. I liked it at the time. I wrote a big piece fending sort. I don't know if I want to say, it is a good movie, but it is a caffeinated and like provocative movie, and it has these insane sets anyway practice, strong choices. Absolutely bizarre. Perversion of like a platform game about a little man who's running around. But like the guy to do something with Goshi model is super cute movie. The is Donald Trump Donald Trump. Yeah. Trump Trump Kupa such a perfect snapshot of the ninety s early ninety where they're like he had no, no guk. It up guys everywhere idea of how the mushrooms function sort of realistically quotes. Of course, Hoskins we've already been legs. Who who is one of my when he's he's I love. Odd sibling pair, but I love movies actually, weirdly aged while I. All right. So we then we have street fighter. Not not a great movie. Never seen a great one day. But a great in the annals of twenty four hour film festival. Screwing history. I would rank that one of the best. Paul W Sanderson enters the game the two mortal Kombat movies, which I haven't seen the second one. I barely remember. I saw the second one in theaters. And it was one of the more disappoint. I made my dad go. Sure. Sure. Sure. And my dad skipping a few of the little ones a fighting game. You fall into this thing where it's like hard. No. 'cause he'd rather just doing the fights at the time of strong characters. These great characters, and I have to say, I I actually really loved the first mortal combat, right? The Sanders because it did have sort of that nineties like techno techno. There is a vibe in that movie that is specific to like not even just like a decade, but like a few years within the decade yet. And I think that's kind of cool. All right. So we're going to keep going. We've got a while. Then we have Lara Croft tomb raider, which is not so good, which is sort of like grafting like, I don't know Indiana Jones e. Example of just that movie not working. I don't think any of the problems in that movie are connected to the fact that based off of a video not at all. I mean, they just watch they looked at the video game. This isn't the Enzi. Right. And she's a lady I think it's kind of. Candor movie. I like a lot. I actually liked that one. We all. So it does seem to be just maybe the first lark off wasn't. I remember seeing it as you know at the time. It was okay. Then there's the resident evil series, which is these sort of agreed on a I think masterpiece of video games sin about six of them. All kinds of insane director very fond of them their own there. They're separate from the video. They will have characters who are like kind of nodding into the game. But they're they're a hole, and they really like the millage of it's show, and she's the Queen of like gay movies. I sort of appreciate their commitment. They're good being super crates by the time they're in the fifth one. They're really like there. If you're still watching these than just similar to in a way watching like benches. We kind of the saw. Yes, lorgos goes so d- have once you get to saw, you know, five six seven like it's been dead for four movies. I think it was off five or six with flashback within a flashback within. And it's just like, okay. And so like, I don't watch it for like like, the torture stuff, whatever. But just in terms of like insane storytelling like flashing back to you thought you knew what happened this time, but actually this. Nope. Actually, this third thing was happening. And it's like, yeah. Okay. Resin even movies function in that way. And I think if they were more literal app -tations of the games, they might have had a harder time work. All right. Then it gets really dark because you have crept like a load of dark give to which is just sort of like. This is. Yeah. Silent hill, which is kind of like one of the great video games as art series. Like, they kind of take a crack at it. And it's sort of like visually interesting, but like ma-, right? It's all visual. Yeah. They take pyramid. Head like who is such a dynamic and crazy character. And he's just like a big tonight. Rich like going through this list. I perhaps the problem with a lot of these movies of the exact thing we've been talking about is hiring writers who kind of have disdain for the thing there or any of these people. Specifically, the directors are maybe it's the actress wherever it is. But a lot of these franchises fuel like either when resume evil works. It's like we're gonna make our own thing out of this and the ones that don't work like no involved. Maybe think they're kind of slumming it, and it may be that things are getting better. Just because like the generation of people that actually claims is now the age of people that are writing movies like us, right? Right. Right. The generations caught up. I'm sure that people were very hard. I know. I know. Pain is a great example of where it's like what do people like about max Payne? Let's not do that. Right. Right because I played all this game. And I love this game. The second. One is incredible is a massive. I've actually like Duar a well told strike. Great. And so they're like, well, let's not do that. Bewildering? Weird choice. And so, yeah, I think maybe we're tapping into something. But no. But then there's this final phase. I wanna get to which is warcraft assassin's creed tomb raider and the movies that are not well received. And yeah, often don't like warcraft was kind of Obama though to really well overseas. But those are movies written by people who like those games and are kind of like so deep on the lore like your craft in penetrable. Right. If you haven't like played no idea what I was walking. Right. And and and it sort of throwing you in the deep end, and yeah, the reaction was kind of bafflement, but like I sort of work I saw with my big world of warcraft friend, and at the end of the movie when the baby comes out he was like, that's the lead character. And I was like what are you going? What's? Prequel to the game. That's the actually care about his dad. And so now we've got like we've got to Texas peak. We've got an unnamed fast rodent, I don't know. What says? A speedy speedy the animal, you gotta Minecraft movie wins that happening it keep on and keep your schedule. Post is another one that I think is very daunting to. What Lewis right? Make a movie out of that. Like like, it's like the the old PC game for old Audrey like the grid, and you push the little boxers him mind swing? Making sweeper good make. Signed to minesweeper. What's wasn't your dad like the world's foremost minesweeper up there? He's he. What what what I'm thinking about as you're saying this? And I think maybe this is an advantage that the Pokemon has. We're talking about movies about adventures we're talking about movies about assassins. Yep. Yeah. We're talking about movies about fantasy world that while it is. It's thing is not unprecedented in the sense of we are familiar with the rings. We're familiar with orcs and warriors these things that are and this is a lethal combination often largely plot Lewis and very lore. Heavy. It's very hard to write a script or there's a ton of back story. But the plotting itself is kind of like an this happens, and then this happens and then this half. So it kind of is interesting that the ones that we kind of were gravitating towards our maros, very weird and very neat. Yeah. Mortal combat. Very specific to that. Very, and it's and it's very of its era, but not unprecedented like the fighting tournaments things. But you know, the way that scorpion is integrated that movie is very cool, and it's different. And it's not something you've seen a million times. So maybe there is something to embracing like the weirdness or the uniqueness of whatever the property isn't just say like, yeah. This is the fucking. We're thing that we're doing in turning it into generic copy of whatever move whatever John hot year doing that takes place in Wyoming, and apparently or seemingly from the trailers only in the last scene probably has the characters looking the way you remember them looking like a quick out of seven. I'm out of seven. Quite a spiny egg-laying mammal. I have noted we're talking about. But I also feel like yes, I don't wanna make it sound like I'm putting the blame for those earlier movies. Just like, oh, this screenwriter was a hacker this or that. But you also have examples where maybe like the writer cares a lot about and the director cares. A lot about it. And then a big movie star signs on. And they're like, I don't wanna do that stuff. Or it's the director who doesn't care when the other people did or whatever it is. But also, very often. I think we're living in a world where they understand the value of for for better or worse studios. Now understand the value of the IP is the IP. You don't strip mine it and find a way to get as little of the IP in the movie as possible and make the rest the phone catering to what you think mall goers wanna see if you're making a movie off thing, you wanna make the best movie of that thing, and represent everything that people like about that thing who will go back to what we were talking about at the beginning. I think you know, the fandom becoming the mainstream right has made it. So that's the case. It's like. Not trying to appeal to you know, random Joe. Right. Like, the most vocal people and the people still going to the movie theater, right? Are the fans that wanders confidence of knowing? We can write him for the hardcore fans. And if only the hardcore fans see it that's enough to make a movie a big hit. Right. And you know, you obviously want to write a movie that anyone gets it down and enjoy. Yeah. You want to write the movie I mean like you want something that anyone can enjoy? But you also want the people who want the movie to work the most to be able to enjoy not sit down writing to take the peak at you saying this is a movie that every single person in eleven. We were trying to make movie to try and cater to every perfect Quadra. Right, right. We we wanted to make something that the fans would love and that could also bring in some new fans that didn't realize that they love Pokemon forgot about final fantasy the spirits with him. Within is a very weird one kind of its own. Right. I didn't like I don't think it's like a great movie. But it it it's trying something. It's and it's it's definitely I mean, it's extremely you know, JR in its story. And thanks so like final fantasy is a great example of could they make a good movie final fantasy seven. Maybe. I mean, I don't know. But that's another. That's one where like if someone gave us that challenge. I would be like, okay, right. This is something that I really love. It's also one of those things where studios gonna have to be like sure take a huge budget. Like, it's not something you're going to like for nothing. So I think that. When we set out to write the movie, even when we were talking to each other. We were like, you say won't get a like this, and we were kind of going I think so, but maybe not maybe that's okay. Because we're going to try to tell the best version of this story that we possibly can. And you know, that's why I feel like. You know, I hope that it's a big hit. And I hope that you know, it gets pretty favorable reviews. But if it doesn't like, yeah, I remember I was gonna say is I had a professor in college. Who was a theater professor and was a pitcher. It was he could shoot professor pick. His name is Spencer Golub. He was the head of the department at Brown, and he didn't example one day of like, Paula specified. He sat on like acute just like a regular queue jer. And you know, it's like you say, and then like he was like everyone around any like did something he couldn't tell any sat on it. But there was something like appreciably different of the way that he was sitting on this cube. And it turned out that there was a hole in the middle of the of the cube that was making his city experience like uncomfortable. We could not see this whole, right? But we could tell that something had changed. And I think that screenwriting is when you actually give shit about the subject matter, and you're sort of thinking about things like. Okay. Well, we wanna reference total recall, and we want to put Roger rabbit into it and the third man these Raymond Chandler. I hope that like secretly embedded in this movie. Right. Like, even if you has no idea never listened spot. Doesn't know anything about what we did. Or why that there is some sense of like they seem to have an idea they seem to be like confident about whatever it is that they're trying to accomplish. And I think that the movie does the copy tonight. I'm proud of that. So here's a question. I don't know how much you guys comment on this. Or not David has one big takeaway, the end of the move turns me, and he goes I'm worried I did say this detective Pika cheese a star. I was like you guys got rid of detective Pika chew. And like, I mean spoilers the movie kind of takes them off the board of me again. This is coming out a couple of weeks after the movies. Yeah. He so good that I was almost like don't don't don't take away. Things like emotionally narrative of half. Worse. It's the point you to what was there any writing Warner Brothers? I'm like, wait a second. Hold up hold up about when the peach talks in Ryan Reynolds voice, though, we can't coffee. So I don't think it's talking about school to say at the script stage or at the planning stage. There was talk and debate about that exist exact issue. Yeah. I think that what was Alta decided upon correctly was let's tell the best story that we can tell for this movie. And if you wanna bring it back and later future movie. That's a problem that will be dealt with. Hopefully, a really cool. Great of what seems like the right answer to me. Right. Because it wasn't. You know, I it there were there are a couple of things debated while could we do this that do we preserve it in this way or that way? But ultimately, it was like, no, let's just tell the story. Let's make it a completed thought I mean, which is much better than the opposite franchisee thing where you like the movie ends kinda unsatisfying some leans over. Well, they've already signed the contract for this spin off. So that's why it's doing that. And you're like or my friends over and goes that babies the lead. That shit right, right, which I'd much rather see a film that can rose thought. And it does also in an interesting way kind of set the stage where it's like, I know I know they announced that someone's writing detective Pika chewed direct seat will. But they're also people I think writing other live action poke Amman moves at their incubating a bunch right now. But I Toby was incubated. Yes. I do. Yeah. Exactly Toca piece, you know, and right now, I like the idea that this like world set up and the franchise could just be what are other stories in the polka mine universe. Like what way they end up going who knows? But I do like the promise of just like, and the next film could be like a fucking legal thriller, and the next film could be like a trainer like it could be karate kid hokum, professor Pika to if we wanted to make clear that like rhyme city is still connected to the rest of the Pokemon shot up. Is that right? And so it's all it's all out there. And is a fertile, you know. Yeah. Ground for whatever story like him. David slow. Yeah. So don't worry. It's going to be okay. Okay. Okay. I just really connected to people working on this, even as we. All right. Ben, you have big you ought to say, we're basically detective. Detective detective Ben is on the case. Okay. I got some of my favorite parts of the movie. Okay. So you've now you surmise what you think happens in the movie from us talking about the process of writing my favorite Pok him on the motorcycle to frozen, mud, spike. I really love that moment when it came into the bar. They were he was aping heart. A lot of those in jersey. Right. I feel like yeah. Medical doesn't sound that far off. Floor favorite Pok Mon by far the burning tire Pokemon scorch? All these all could be because there was that moment like three generations where they were like any men made object could be opposed. Door. Yes. Bag garbage was one. I really wanted. Urban. In our early draft shirt. And I think maybe it was maybe too weird or something. But and then classic new are setting. I was excited to see in the movie was the quicksand factor course. Right. Any any good blockbuster verisign facs where are you calling phone? The quicksand. No, not what if what if you make it. I guess it's both. All right. What else it was kind of weird to see Kirby? Driving a blimp. Yes. That was a weird, right? Irvy's nintendo. He's not a or. Yeah. Oh, he's already mean. Like, Kirby Puckett or Kirby, Pokemon. He's he's curvy. And then of course, the ending which was so crazy as deadpool the whole it was said. So twisted, the movie came out a devil's brain Razi, anyway, a loved it. Well, I mean, that's that's a strong, isn't that? Can you go any higher than that? You can't that's the greatest publish on rotten tomatoes, right, man. Saying some of these people why would you even see this movie? It's not for you. Is there ever been a review so coming from someone more clearly on your side? Getting exactly what you were going for in the movie bents, flashing a peace sign. Beautiful. We're done, right. Have any like final odds is or anything you want to share as you? We wish people a happy detective Pika chill wall. Say I'm working on a new script. It's it's called night eggs on night. Eggs K 's about a detective who eats breakfast at night. This is not a joke e establish this eighteen months ago. He's been working on the script and the villains are which there's right who just which they use their witchcraft to to use as their hacking to access which kind of both. Oh, right. Right. I don't know once get further along what you guys like to take a pass talking about this off the air because that that we need to. Has anyone option this material? Chris Weitz is on board as a producer. Pre existing. All right. Chris collaborator. We can carve it out. Out like to talk to you further about this. Thank you so much. We love the world you're playing. World is. Benxi damn. Thank you so much for being here. This was a dream true. Thank you. I do want to come back for Edwards Swick when it's time. Sure. Movie hang Ori glory trying to think like other. One pot another cast. Well, we did have never go cast. Yeah. People forget he made the second Jack richer move. He did the legends of the podcast blood diamond. Isn't that? Pretty about last night. Did he do about did you? Yeah debut. He made you know, courage under fire. He made what's it called the jet? Bobby Fisher punts out on sacrifice on sacrifice mcquarters. I did two last role on on camera on camera. His last credit film role is the narrator of the boss, baby. That's right. So it sounds to me like this week, you know, fruitful night. It's it's talk off air about opportunity. We love the world. Yes. We love the possibilities. Potential. Spend you then thank you for being here. Thank you for to detect the poke on detective, Pok Mon. I'm sorry, Pokemon. Detective choose that was another thing. Because like when you see the poster you're like, oh, the polka might just be there as branding when the movie starts and the opening titles interest as Pokemon detectives right jazz. Hey, baby. Yeah. We were. We went right at it. Yeah. You gotta you gotta take a bite. What else? She's into the tick. Shit. About it. But what if we did tick, Pokemon crossover? Sure what if season three or is a case. Hair across or whatever. But you say this, but like ban is listening somewhere and be like what are, you know, not more or? Yes. Yes. How did you guess? I just think ticks interrogate him meow. Sounds good. But you couldn't really touch me up territory that was is one of the weird Pokemon to to start out with sad me. I wasn't in the movie there were just seemed like did you have me and certain drafts? Yeah. I think in wonder if he's mentioned like as a background, but not if team rocket is it's kind of like we can't even like open that thing right now. Yeah. So that's why I, you know, but I hope that you know in the future everyone will get to see their favorites. I mean, there was gangling in there and other my favorites you had some great ones didn't touch wag family. We've always wanted gingko from the beginning that we really wanted and looked soaping look great and his weird like you. Wing move. Yeah. Me of a great tiger in hunch out. Yup. You know, what he does the like the spinning whatever, whatever whatever, I know. We just talked about why certain video game movies don't work in all squarely in the territory will punch vehicle movie would be a cool movie the ones that are just cool looking characters fighting are the difficult one glass eye Joe glass. Joe? Yeah. Could be caught Nigel Davis. The one question you'd be little MAC, you'd be great. Vehicle a kid Chris I've been playing smash and I'm like man like nest dresses a lot like me. Who's your smasher who's your Fave? I've been playing his Ness. Most of the time you're in Ness, God, you're horror. No, that's not necessarily complicated. Like the most of the time play play his show Fairmount. Choose one of my face, my girlfriend, always wants to play as a show feud Ness, though, every time I pick them. She's like you just like him because he wears baseball caps. Fucking narcissist. Little classically I like gigli because I find that makes people go the most insane. You're eating is in character play. Thought Herbie was. Very. Yeah. At a bar. I like that too. Superpower Wigley tough. But that was a great movie. On this sort of less powered retired. This was the question. I want to ask you what David's bladder explodes. Okay. You guys are big fans in general, your fans of things like stuff, not stepping on toes of things that you're taking meetings on actually conversation about will it into the universe. Something that you may know progress on is there like a dream thing. I will say, especially if it's a thing where you're like, no one's ever gonna make a movie of that. Where you guys have talked about like, wouldn't it be cool to adapt? This thing that we love that probably isn't a market for. It's a great question. What's your like blank? Check product. Do you look people predicting big box office weekend? You might be getting those calls. You might be the blank check guys by the time. This episode comes out where people are saying, what do you got what your to us the one that always comes to mind? I'd like to adapt transmitter palton. Oh, yeah. A culture. That's that's that's the one. It's the perfect thing. Which like you need a big budget in yet not going to be a family movie. Right. It's funny. It's we're in specific there's a cat two headed cat. That's cigarettes. Every you know that that's one where I I read it and get inspired. I've read it, you know, many times over the years and that that for me would be a dream project. I don't know who controls the rights. I don't know already scripted exists. I don't know if he's editors show, but that is one where I look at it, a crack I'd love Krakatau. Do you have an answer boundary? I've always wanted to do a seven samurai magnificent seven with all of the serial characters. After crunch. Can from the fruit loops all of them. So it's like the magnificent eighty four Doni. Yeah. You know, they gotta put the team together some people. No. Yeah. We'll get a villain who's like the most villainous serial character count chocula the cop from cookie crisp rabbit trees. Yes. But he's kind of good. He's your rogue. If you're indeed kids who are trying to steal lucky charms. Maybe they're the villains. Right. I try to think of the cartesian. Could have like Don crazy at sea commander. There is a cut to crunch villain to is there. There is there's like a red and like black pirates. Sure to captain crunch is like blue captain needs. It. I don't know whatever. Yeah. Anyway, anyway list. Yeah. Now's your chance. Hot properties night. Eggs. Also have helpless part of package not anymore. It's not available. Okay. It's off the table. Okay. It's off the table. It's off the table. Thank you for listening. Please remember rate review. Subscribe, thanks to in for good for social media lame coming for theme. Song job on rounds for artwork to blink dot com for some real nerdy shit. 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The Insider with Andy Levy

Blank Check with Griffin & David

2:31:22 hr | 1 year ago

The Insider with Andy Levy

"Jonah. What say? Show was fine. No, that's fame. Fame has a fifteen minute half life podcasts left a little luck. I mean that's actually the apple. That's pretty good looking for fifty two. You can't go wrong with Palmer, but there's a guy in this movie does some really good yelling, Tauch is- in a ferris Russia's interference. This is our last Pacino too with man. So I'm curious. You wanna, you know, unless Pacino is going to be in, like whatever. Michael Mann's next movie is I don't know. I don't know. I think I think Michael Mann's trying to let him sleep. Yeah. He signed Samis a good choice you could sleep pal. Pilot garbage again. Hello, everybody. My name's Griffin Newman Davidson, this is blank. Check with David it's podcast about philosophies, dressers have massive success early on their career or giving us series blank checks to make whatever crazy passion products. They want, sometimes those checks clear, sometimes they bounce baby. This is a weird check it, but it's about sir. It's almost every man movie. It's about sir. It's a big bounce and it is kind of inexplicable, that they gave him seventy million dollars. I'm sorry. When I say nineties booth which was ninety million dollars and the people who gave them that money were Disney Walt Disney corporation, which is insane pretty weird. Yeah. And there are a lot of really interesting quotes from then head of Disney films Joe Roff being like I dunno. Tried so really good movie. We're really proud of it. We couldn't force people to go see it. I mean that's under that's fair. But they kind of threw their movie and they were like, I don't know why it didn't work. It seems commercial y a two hour. Hour and forty minute. Murphy behind the scenes of sixty minutes. We thought it would work. We're very proud of it. I love the movie. It's not like screaming like, Honey inches. They're going to be paying for this box office being. No. I can't see it tomorrow. It's gotta be tonight. Joe Roff was like talking about, like it was the iron giant. I don't know why it didn't connect with audience. But you had this great product and crowd-pleaser. It's good for families. We got everyone Baker hall Venera Kraus's. You know, it's a thing I love in this movie, Debbie Masar. Here's the thing I love going, and I feel like Michelman movies. Have this other films have this, but you see it less and less frequently these days, really long opening credits were almost every actor who has more than two lines get their own card. Yes. Right. Right. Or even if it's a split card by the time you get down to split cards. It's like. Chief from San Diego. Rip torn in this movie. Yeah. I like to shop like one second. Right. He gets a single card single card hurt is, is movie. I think I think he's like one of the guys at the beginning cheese, shake. The yes wild. Yes. But single card billing. Yeah. That's the opening credits for this movie last forty seven minutes. Yeah. Well, it's two hour forty seven minute. Movie. Michael two hours. If you just cut the opening I refuse to it. Most of his movies play on TV as Alan Smith, he cuts. Sure. Because he won't he just refuses to get it down to three hours or whatever. Right with three hour famously says I will add forty minutes, you can put it into a fight offer to beef up Ali to make it for was the heat heat heat. Yeah. It was the big one where he was like, I don't wanna cut a second. But I can add in forty minutes apart from the keep, what's his shortest movie, is it collateral, collateral is two hours of yes was pretty short. But, like apart from no thief's two hours and two minutes, collateral has a beat well, her from that, like black hat will no buckets longer. Yeah. Collateral is the one time he made like a quote unquote lean movie. Yes. I think yes yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. The guy we're talking about, of course. Michael man this series on his films. It's called cast in the pot Heacon aka Michael Mann's planning, jer, and the phone, we're talking about today's the insider, the film that, that, finally where where the academy finally legitimises him finally, becomes a, a serious filmmaker after being written off for so many years as a style over substance guy, which is insane to think about it is insane insane. Pain. No. That hack who made what that, that cop movie with deniro, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Doesn't saw that on cable who hour and forty minute popcorn fell, then he makes a movie about sixty minutes. And people sixty sixty minutes is very important. This movie must be important. We should give many Oscar nomination. You talked about this. But we went to see detective Pika. She recently. That's true film that feels weirdly inspired by Michael man. Sure, there were many scenes, right? Turn you and I went this looks like it looks like fief. It definitely feels inspired by that kind of, like, n man hunter. Dr. Scores. Sounds like a little tangerine. Dream me pretty good score. But did arrive at the premier one hour early. So we heard the score on a loop like eighteen times and we were like a good score. They said you had to get there early if you want to impeach show. So we got there an hour half early should introduce our guest are allowed to talk on. I've been sitting here trying to figure out. Okay. We said we gotta get there really early because we're not gonna miss a chance to meet Pika chew right pitcher going to be in demand. We got there in an hour and a half early. They were like yeah. Sure you're right. It was, it was pitchy. Right. Like a guy no cost no giant, inflatable Pika? Chew in a smaller input. We'll be right. Most of them were real. We met both of them. We took about eighty seven pictures true. Got a free slurpee and then we went what do we do now? So then we walked into this hitter, and we just sat in the screening room for over an hour, Chattan, and that our was just a still image detective he could shoe projected, and the score playing and then occasionally a song from the movie would play of break up the we had our old, our old guy grump conversation where it doesn't all music, sound the same. Yeah. Yeah. We like a Rita or get detective or whatever detect my heart. I just have never realized how old I am until the trailers detective pitchy. Starting sure because that's after my time. Right. That movie in general will make you right? And I like I know nothing about Pokemon, but a lot of my friends are younger than me, probably because I look like mid twenties. You look great. Thank you. Surprised? Yeah, exactly. I thought you were too young for poking. Yeah. Having grown up into your Pokemon phase. You know, I just I don't I don't get Pok Mon at all. I don't I'd barely know who he could chew is, and always detective. But she I never knew that until the movie on the side barely knew the Jew had become a detective. And I liked to put him on. It is crazy, though, to be like, because we saw this movie and the movie takes no time explaining, the rules of poke Amman, and you're like, right. This thing has been around for long enough that they can presume that. There is a four quadrant audience that needs no table setting. And that's what makes me feel old is everybody talks about this stuff as if a given. The fifty states. We all, you know, the guy in the border, and we all know Pika chew and there's one guy who's, like, looks like he's like he's hearing. Like what's an eighties Pika chew Esq, mascot. Oh, you know, like a cabbage patch kit, or I feel like the smartest had a similar, I guess it's that, but yeah, it's like if someone had been, like, right. Like the Smurfs go to congress was like first, Murph movie. We were like you know that we were that deep with the first Murph movie. Yes, the first Murphy was actually what studios used to do, which is like a show up there in the real world have to figure out how to by metro ROY. Whatever it is crazy. How often do you meet like the situation or whoever sort of, you know, hot that year is crazy? How often studios was a ton of money acquiring a big big property and higher presumably, a screen writer for millions of dollars to break the story like never seen this Murph, and then they come in they'd be like, here's my take. There's a portal, and they end up. Everyone kept on selling the exact same movie, and then like a grown man who makes tens of millions of dollars a year is like, yeah that's that's good. Let's do this good idea. There was like an interview between. Marites my beloved. Franchise and the guy paramount who now he just moves deal over to paramount science. The hedgehog is the first movie in his deal. And he said, you know, when Neil when Neil came to me and said, he wanted make a sonic movie. I said, I don't get it not relatable, not the kind of thing we're interested in, and then he told me the hook to this movie, and I said, this is such a compelling emotional portal. Was the fucking thing. Run so fast. He's in the real world. I don't wanna see about ahead drug beneath the head truck shows up through a portal. I meets a human. He doesn't know how the fucking toothbrush works. It's crazy. Because then you even see like the Pennington movies and the panting moves are like, yeah. The bears talk, you're right, depending movie. No point is like pretty fucked up at the spare talk. He's actually an alien who looks like a bear. He comes from darkest Peru, and he talks. And now he's in the city and show. Clear, though, Paddington was a perfect move. Yeah. We're all saying. There's no portal's. That's the move is just to be like, if you're making a talking bear movie just own it. It's don't go. I don't like his galaxy. They look like bears. He drank the serum right magically. Yes. And all what we're saying relates a lot to this film the end. So this is talking about I'm seeing the insider in my head. Right, right. Mike Wallace would love to hear. All right. If we brought him back he'd be like I like work cultures that now. Yes. And our, our guest today is something of an insight. Sanguine in, in the news trenches. I don't know if they were the trenches. Okay. On, on the level ground would've been like I could see the trenches you could see the trend shirts. Night-vision gop. Yes. Okay. Okay. The crazy Levy is here Levy leave. So great. Levy Levy, a lot, very okay? What your gene Levy your take it back? The guy who I famously said, was good in every movie. Yes. Until I was reminded of most of the movies that he said, you even so bad. You said name one time. Fucking Olsen twin ruby? And I was like, right. No. Yeah. That's exclusively what he does when he plays. Jim's dad like five. Yes. Right. Andy Levy, Andy Levy. I came live. I messed up I knew that too. That's Griffin mispronounces everything every I'm almost every wanna just do it. Not mispronounced single other word this entire time episodes. Just a bad this episode. Wait Griffin is pretty notorious for. Let me take it again. Our goose this week. Yes. Great Andy Levy webby, no, don't do that. That will about. We'll confound I felt through report. We all know handy Levy, what if he was detect. Detective Andy, you're saying you're saying before we started recording that you're like you've, you put cable news behind you and you're trying to figure out what, what the next stage of your life. Have you thought about becoming a cartoon detect would very much like to be? I, I wouldn't have I would have I I own that. Just 'cause I'm not wearing a hat right now. It doesn't I don't own hair good. Clean cut like a nice kind of product, using I prefer not to okay? Because you got a good hold shirt, some good hair. Yeah. Medium stiff. Doesn't doesn't look greasy. No doesn't look ridge in good shape. Matt finish. Right. Yeah. But sometimes you got put a little hat on. It's going to be on the trail. No, I do. I sometimes I will sit at home thinking I wish I solved more crimes. Sure. Course. So going out there. No -solutely. And I feel like I've really I've kind of slacked off in the last, maybe three or four years in terms of crime solving for that you are bus. Was the case clip right now? Right. There were fifty sixty a month, right? You look. I'm not saying they weren't gays. I didn't solve crimes most days. I were telling no, no, no, no. What I hear about it. Kind of like what your lock homes with some just dash off a note to the police rented off? Scotland Yard that's sort of what I do. I just I dash off notes to my local on the guy. Thank God imagine working for the police mature. Note he's like, I'm not even gonna show up for this armchair in between opium bouts David. Yeah. You think he's annoying counterargument? He's a boxer. Oh oh, fucking out scrapping. That was that was guy. Ritchie's Petry's can detect a punch in move out of the punches way. Do you know it was incredible? Because they England never got mad enough that like a prominent American got to play Sherlock Holmes. And everyone was just like yeah. Whatever it's fine insane. Right. Kind of wild. Right. Because that famously comes out of produced by Robert junior's wife, Susan down. They were basically like let's find a vehicle for rob, right? Knew like iron man was coming and she's like let's do a victory lap. Franchise, set it up. So they like announced it more setting up before your man. I think and at the time they were like the book actually really dark. And like sherlock's like a heroin. Addict, right. And we wanna go in and do the messy version of it. And then I remember came so huge. And they were like yet. Another heroine stuff isn't in. It's like boxing. That's true. It suddenly became like noise kind of goof. No, I think the initial concept was like it'll be like Batman began to be young. You know, it'd be like you know what I was gonna say it. First of all, it was cocaine heroin. God. You're back when they were putting everything. Smoke it, he smokes a coke in Jackson orient checking unusual way of doing okay he wasn't he doesn't like take off his boot, and crushing the table. This is producer. Anyway, what are you going to say? We're just going to say that you guys you're talking about how nobody in England really got mad, and we took Sherlock Holmes. They got us back. They took Batman. They did take. They had Batman. They have superman. Technically not American wide fair point. Up in Kansas. He's he has a passport, right? Sure. Does Corcoran ever social security today say, like we have this, baby. Yeah, where's the person? Is superman escort kinda dream? To all I say that is open to Spiderman to Spiderman across the pond. Right. That's right. That's right. This podcast is pure, blooded American four American men who never lived in engagement. I'm just so happy, that I know that, you know, never lived twin second. What but I lived in England. Swung. The microphone right at any. I'm sorry for almost. Yeah. I grew up in England, which is where saw this film. Okay. The first Michael Mann film I ever saw. Thirteen and I did not see it because I was like hype for Michelman movie I was hype for it as an Oscar, we've got right. And I was a Russell Crowe thirteen. Was a little nerd? I was a Russell Crowe fan. I liked him. I was sorta like I had like bought early on Russell Crowe or whatever. Thumper virtuosity, probably so romper snap related definitely saw virtuosity. We love virtuosity in this podcast owing. Everyone. L A confidential, right. That was the big one. I'm trying to think what else I guess that was the big one this. Right. Because the death was right after L again years later. But I mean he's next film, big follow up, and yeah, and it was so hyped as I call. He Li gained weight he's, you know, playing older. He's got makeup. Okay. I wanna spend how old you think. Russell Crowe was during the filming of there's going to be going to shit. All right. Because this late thirty thirty three thirty three years ago, he's playing fifty five oh, shit gains thirty five pounds. Yes. But the thing Ida gray Rosa Crowe's now fifty five. Right. Looks exactly like kinda yeah. I mean, if anything he looks kind of good in this kind of like. Oh, yeah. This is real secure with ten pounds shaved off are also crowd time. He was I like Crowe sort of husky dad Bod crow just fine at the. Time he was very hunky of your all man. You're before gladiator like, you know, it was very serious as ING. He's looking at some Chunga some big. Ben. Yeah. I get I love you love your curvy krill. But like, you know, when crow now is trying to be slightly. More action. More man of steel mommy or whatever, like he's got that sort of like I buttoned this shirt. But if we button, it, this might take a while to sort of re like so I'm in this. I'm in this jacket, right? Attention in those sort of, like me at a wedding, where I'm like, I kinda like put the suit on last like the name before, and I was like maybe hasn't been six months. I wore sushi. Just do it. Guys is incredible thing though, because he was such like a conventional sort of, like, you know, tar Josh bruiser Tyler leading man. Like we were like, oh, man, we haven't had a guy like this in Hollywood. And a long time it was so unusual for him to take this kind of parts this moment, and then his career, has come full circle back to him playing these kinds of guys, essentially seeking these kinds of same kind of broken sort of, like, but he kind of rotated like because he did A Beautiful Mind. Yes. But right in between those he would do his gladiator type his incredible round where like he does L A, confidential. He's using it was snubbed of an Oscar nomination. And he gets this as what most people view as the vindication for the lack of L A, confidential nam, and it's such a classic. Oscar because it's transformation. You're playing a real person. On everything. They Spacey winds and people were like Crowe should've probably want one hundred percents. And then the following year when gladiator comes out, they were like this is double makeup, this movie. So big, he's now like a full on a list movie star, but also he's kind of been owed two times in a row. And then he does Beautiful Mind. And people are like fuck. Is he gonna win twice in two years? It was I think it was close three consecutive best actor nation. And then he never gets into which is silly, his after that. And do you like master and commander feel like you would be mastering to admit, and I, I almost feel like you're gonna make me leave? It's fine. I've never seen ever seen. I think would really watch it. I know. I think you dig that. Yeah, that's one of my favorite movies, and I think he's so good in. But that's when he's definitely like, I am a husky honk, I'm hustling hung, a big stocky guy. You know, I'm not even gonna futz around with me being kinda skinny anymore and then Cinderella man and five playing a boxer of those like he was getting all the precursors. He was. Predicted for best actor in his left out at the last, he was kind of being taken for granted in this, and they were like these sort of bigger supporting stars, who were kind of popping, and all right. But those are those are solid than in two thousand six curve ball. He retains with Ridley Scott, but only to make a movie about drinking called a good year. Yes. Years away or drinks when his band thirty odd foot of brunt. Sure. Unfortunately, dissolved slash evolved. Oh, that's too bad. A conscious uncoupling dissolving evolving. What did it evolve into a right? You. Hey, you need a thunderstorm. Now, also, he's thrown phones, at this Rivaz is sort of, like classic. Russell. Drowned like constantly punching people, and I feel like there was that thing I guess it was right after gladiator, maybe where there was like a documentary about the are they thirty or forty odd photograph their only once this up at a trivia game. And when that bandies name. Oh my God. That was that was one of the worst things. And otherwise spotless life. A life of no regrets. We know I'm not someone who's stews over everything I've ever said ever. You've never expressed any regrets to me at all for any anxious burst at all. Super Chelsea confident everywhere that's come out of my mouth. Harvey Weinstein bought like a documentary about the band. For like, two three million dollars. Probably just to make Russell happy of for something right? I mean he was a disguise such big star that even his self indulgent rock band documentary, probably do well and be, I'm so desperate to get in the Russell Crowe business that I'll buy vanity project in the hopes of getting, like, but he's really kind of going like Ridley Scott. Like Ron Howard. Sure his guys. Yeah. He sing those owns right? And I want to do the rest of Crowe actually because it's fun, then you get like American gangster. Seventies got three tenths human American gangster, which are both underrated. It's very good. Very good. Great in three you me. Fenton's terrific Huma, both of them. I mean I feel like Denzel gets credit all the credit for American gangster. He doesn't because great note. I agree. He's three ten. He's fun. He's yeah. That's a fun movie. But that movie kind of kind of doesn't go anywhere at Hollywood's like two old fashioned. But it is funny, that in those two movies, he still basically, like you know, leading man. Toting right. And then the next year is body of lies where he is like, suddenly like wearing sunglasses fat behind a desk barking Leo over the phone. I mean no one remembers that movie but like that move pretty, that's the that's the flip movies, so weird. 'cause the poster is like to Capri crow and it's like this is going to be some espionage thriller. And then the whole movie is like, decapa with a gun on the ground and crow like picking up his kids from school talking to Capri on bluetooth. Yeah. Like almost all of his scenes are him on, like a bluetooth headset while he's like like doing the laundry or so, I honestly completely forgotten that Ridley Scott's until now. Now, remember seeing it. Yeah. But he, I think, is when Ridley Scott would just was good going from European financier to finance. You're being. Yeah. Leo. Do it. Russell do it. And I'd be like great eight million dollars. He was kind of doing Tony Scott style movies was. Vary. Tony because I actually in my mind had that as a Tony feels like a slightly. Probably would've made a better body. No click. I love Ridley Scott body lies is a little on engaging right? Right. Then he does state of play another movie known remembers that this watchable a fun. Another fun journalist, Robin Hood, which I think, is great, the Robin Hood, where he's that's, that's his last time where he's like, no, I'm you know, I'm a leading man. And I'm a action boy, you saying, I think superheroes of stupid, I'm embarrassed that my son like superheroes. I wanted to make an action movie make a real hero. That boy should respect he does shoot a cool EROs cool era. Now, I'm sorry, I know I'm older than you guys. But the only true, Robin Hood, is Kevin Costner. He we love him, excuse me. We stand, a sexy FOX. No item. Oh, well, sure, I know. Who else is played robinhood Taryn Edgerton with that was tagged? Harry ellis. Right. Right. Right. And then like Lehman as. Tori asleep disastrous. I mean he's terrible in that Noah, he just seems uncomfortable. Singing late. He seems really like off his game. You know what I mean? He looks like nervous through the whole movie Inle, MS. Yeah. I think he's actually I love him. And I love the first thirty minutes his heels into I want more like crypto knee. And you know intrigue and like bug fly. Rewatch just the Russell Crowe bug flying portion of that movie with all the with the were computer that looks like that toy the metal spikes. Yes, we never know what the name of. That's why is the best thing in man of steel Kevin Costner. Oh, I mean I do that. You're just like I can. American, I will what's your favorite Costner? Are you a postman? I'm not oppose. He mailed. No way out might be. I mean it's definitely I'm there for me. Yeah, I'm trying to think what my favorite costume. Liked him in Jack Ryan shadow recruit. He's pretty good just funding all mentor, right? It's the problem is the one with the game. Yeah. Seen as wild. The coastguard movie with. No, no. The Ashton Kutcher, one protector. You're talking about guardian. Yeah. You do. Never I didn't look that up. I will watch anytime at really late night. Yeah. Is that? And that's Mr. fugitive right Davis. And andrew. I think he did. I don't even know that. Yeah, I know. That's one of those dependable sorta like old oak thriller directors. Yeah. Feel James is my favorite cost and but boulder a tin Cup also. Hey, you know what the villains name isn't tin Cup down Johnson? Oh. They're really right? With two M'S. Okay. You guys know the crazy thing about the Russell Crowe early Scott. Robin hood. Right. Hit me like hot. He we've talked about in Hollywood. Ben just hit David go Tinton shirt on right now. And he's got the full flip going on top of the head. Right. Hi spec. Script in Hollywood, what if Robin Hood was the bad guy, and sheriff Nottingham was the good guy. And it was a PR issue. It was called nodding. Yes. Right. And it was supposed to be set from the perspective of donning, right? And released got signed on to direct universal buys it for millions and millions of dollars. Russell Crowe signs on the play the sheriff in Nottingham. And then over the course of working on the movie developing the script Russell Crowe starts going like I really liked to play Robin. So then they go like, what if it's a draft where Robin Hood and share for Nottingham the same guy, he's own worst enemy? And then it just comes what if it's just Russell Crowe someone just told them like Russell Crowe rubbing? Who was a crusader Enron? Yeah. Really was like that's cool. But they spent like three four million dollars on a script that, then we've about this. Yeah. Well, I wrote that script, and I'm a millionaire whatever. I mean, now, of course, he's playing Roger Ailes. Yeah. Which is another one. Where is tough job? But I took gain eighty pounds. And he says he eats spaghetti for the insider. I think I read that he, he basically said he ate cheeseburgers like that's what he Horman. Yeah. It's like this is. One of every ward for the here's a cheeseburger, there's a reward. I remember hearing like I've heard like disgusting things Jared Leto, the joker himself such way, Mark David Chapman, in that movie that, like, barely remember and self doubt gave himself got the John Lennon, assassin movie. Yeah. Get chapter twenty seven and he would eat ice cream with olive oil. And when I heard that, like, all the time when I heard that I was like, it's just there's no way that's worth excuse me. My friend, the details are even grosser than that. Because at this point in time I was desperately trying to gain weight because I was a very very you weren't trying to play Mark, David Chapman, you'd literally were just trying trying to look up scaring your doctors, right? I was scary dancing skeleton. Boy, he would buy pints of Ben and Jerry's poor olive oil in it, and then microwave it so that he could just drink it. All my, that's vile. 'cause I tried it once and how was it? I did without the olive oil, but the microwaving ice cream awful. What do you drink? Icecream. I mean, isn't that what milkshakes are? This is literally just like the milk, though, you know, that would milkshake terrible cata here. Heard. All right, sorry, the insider, he I looked to be the one other time he tried to go back to classic. Russell Crowe was Nella. Sure me, he's a beefy. No. But that was the last time he played like beef. He's got to get logs. And right. You know, but Don art jackal where he tells host Tom Cruise Tom Cruise is younger than in fact, Tom Cruise is yes. Winter's tale where he plays like a real like nursing jockey gangs to just had about the dark universe again. Oh, God, you sad about it. Well, that it's gone. Oh, you never know can come back at slip Munster's like, who? Make you think they are gone doc universal rise. What if the second dorky universe film, is about the resurrection of the dark universe? Right. Like Sophia Bootle is like in an office. And someone's like, we got a sequence, she's like no, they canceled those movies, and like, it's it turns out, it's Jake Johnson. He's like, no. We can re we, we just need to go to the tomb. I like dark universe twist movie where like universals like here's our big prestige play of the year. It's a bio pic about, like Marie Curie Sherman halfway through the movie that aren't university. Glow turned. Just when you thought it was savory curious. She fell into the black Lou. And then Pacino we've talked about this era of Pacino alive. This is such an underrated on your ratings. I think this is seen as one of his yelling performances from devil's advocate. He there in the last thirty minutes. And when it's fine yes, it's two percent in zone. He's very good at being kind of just a stressed out producer first hours. It's classic under stage. Here. Is this like, Puta full hairpiece nineties should've won a Nobel prize in chemistry? I believe he's one of those guys who is using sectional pieces, like right. It's like. The Sistine Chapel. Because I think if it was for his hair, if it was purely a piece, they wouldn't design that, like that, I think the, you end up at this hairstyle because he's like, I have these couple of long strands brush them, as far up as possible. We build volume around that because this movie is considered a Russell Crowe's Pacino's role, a Pacino's. He is the star. Yes movie. I mean he is he's percent is close. No. And he so fucking like I, I hadn't seen this movie I watched it since it came out in the feeder me to basically in my head. This was I remembered what I did not remember how mazing Pacino me neither. I thought of it because Kirk the nomination. Oh, crow just dominates. He's so incredibly Ramzi and Pacino is going like, what the hell the main missed sixty minutes. My program as Mike Wallace has got a great and my heads-up. Talk about like heat is him kind of losing his mind, but it still works. Yeah, yeah, I mean I love it. But like the fact that he could still go back to being like this fucking present non showy between these he made devil's advocate right devils, because I think the public is like, that's it Pacino can't be subtle anymore. It's over. Right. This any has insomnia. I know both of which he rules in, and then he's fully broken forever. By the way, he's fantastic and devil's advocate. Oh, great. Oh, yeah. I mean that movie, the movie wants from exact it's all right. It's not like everyone else in the movie is like no. He's a subtle tale of four siato. Regis doing some mid southern north of his. Yeah. We're like try that. Yeah, I don't know. There are some incredible deep southern accents from British Irish character actors in this movie. Again, bonds accent work is amazing. I love Michael on paying a southerner loves to do it. So he. As governor. He played Lyndon Johnson a TV sources from Kentucky now. Potty no, you didn't put your name in this goblet. You didn't JK real clear. I always thought of Dumbledore is a southern gentleman. He likes mi