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Food Neighbourhoods 187: Recipe edition, John Gregory-Smith

Monocle 24: The Menu

02:07 min | 1 year ago

Food Neighbourhoods 187: Recipe edition, John Gregory-Smith

"Halo welcomed Food Neighborhood Zone, monocle twenty four I. AM articles heat? During the coronavirus! Continue this show in a different form as many of you find yourself spending more science home. We do follow suits. Stay Obese, more domestic and delve into the world of great recipes this week. We're guessing inspiration from Lebanon. Hi John Gregory Smith. I'm a chef author. A my favorite recipe right now is Kookmin and caraway spiced Lebanese fiscus. The reason I love this recipe is it uses an ingredient could be which is Lebanese couscous, and it's like a little round fat pastor that you boil off in stock and spices, and it sucks up all this delicious flavors. It's a classic street food dish fuel our intrepid on the coast. You'll find this dish so with five pickles and hubs, or if you're in someone's home, they'll do like a more mellow version, which is wonderful to prepare this dish? It's really. Really easy you essentially just fry off your chicken, and they use whole Sha lots, which is kind of lovely, because they take on caramel flavor and a bit of extra texture, and then you cook it in Caraway and seven spice and seven spices like this amazing Lebanese ingredient is a like a germ follow Aurora Barra says a mixture of woody spices and add so much depth to the dish, and then once that's will cook down and also soft and unctuous. You add in the Lebanese. cost-cutting soaks up as flavors. Then you just have little. Kuranda and lemon and it's wonderful. Thanks to join and Gregory Smith for this week's recipe, and for more from the hospitality sector stay tuned to Monaco Twenty Four. You can also subscribe to our magazine and sign up to our email newsletter the monocle minutes. IT'S TO MONACO DOT COM for more INFO. I am Marcus, hipping. Thanks for listening and by four now.

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3/11/21: Big questions about what Georgia will do with billions in COVID-19 relief and more news

AJC Briefing

04:22 min | 4 months ago

3/11/21: Big questions about what Georgia will do with billions in COVID-19 relief and more news

"This is the atlanta journal constitution. It's thursday march eleventh. Here's today's news brought to you by hot seat. A new memoir from jeff immelt the former. Ceo of general. Raw honest intimate. Hotseat is that. And more as immelt recounts what. It's like to be a leader in times of crisis by your copy of hot seat today. Wherever books are sold our top story the one point nine trillion dollar covid nineteen relief. Bill president joe biden is expected to sign. This week could flood georgia. State government with about four point seven billion dollars and local governments with billions more the big question at the state capital. These days is what do we do with all that money to put it in perspective. It's the equivalent of adding about seventeen percent of the twenty seven point two billion dollars state budget that the georgia house just passed for the upcoming fiscal year. The state constitution gives governor. Brian camp the say over how the money will be spent and his staffers note. The federal treasury department will have to provide guidelines for using the money just as it did last spring when the cares act was approved early in the covid nineteen pandemic but the relief bill is already causing initial political skirmishes. That highlight the difference between what state house. Republicans and democrats think should be done in other news. A georgia woman jailed in washington d. c. for storming the. Us capital is claiming a blanket decision by jail officials to segregate accused. Insurrectionists from other prisoners is unfair to trump supporters. Two different systems of justice cannot exist in a system of equal justice under law. Attorney gregory smith argued at a wednesday hearing for suspect. Lisa marie eisenhart in washington. This is what is happening here. Smith said the especially restrictive conditions could undermine the confidence in the courts handling of january. Sixth suspects in a district that voted ninety two point one percent for biden federal prosecutors in jail officials said a decision was made to classify all january six suspects as maximum security inmates and separate them from the rest of the inmates in part for their own protection with lawyers arguing that the notorious nature of the allegations against them could make them a target for abuse by other inmates. Meanwhile atlanta city council committee on tuesday approved a measure that would impose an additional tax on businesses and apartment complexes around the beltline to fund the completion of the trail by twenty thirty the vote to advance the legislation which is set for a vote by the full council on monday comes as criticism swells over the proposal and how it could impact businesses and renters. The special service district would increase property taxes for commercial and multifamily property owners near the beltline path including areas. That aren't yet. Paved a property appraised at one million dollars would pay an additional eight hundred dollars per year. According to beltline documents outlining the plan the increase could be in place for fifteen to twenty years owner occupied homes condos. Townhomes would not be subject to the tax hike and finally stacey. Abrams said there should be a hue and cry from business leaders. In opposition to far-reaching proposed voting restrictions in georgia and other states instead of the more guarded response from corporate titans in the weeks since the measures were first introduced. The georgia democrat called on athletes and other activists demand that businesses more forcefully speak out against restrictive proposals such as georgia measures that would severely limit who could vote by mail. There were businesses that were silent in the election. For whatever reason but there should be no silence from the business community when anyone in power is trying to strip away the right to vote from the people. She said on a call tuesday organized by firefight action and more than a vote to prominent voting rights organizations. There should be a hue and cry. That's all for today. Check back each weekday morning for more from the atlanta journal constitution or go to see dot com. Have a great day spoken layer.

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The Televerse #456- Spotlight on Mrs. America

The Televerse

1:50:43 hr | 1 year ago

The Televerse #456- Spotlight on Mrs. America

"He makes some money host reality. Show hello welcome to the tele versus will take By no Kirkpatrick and nobody got some TV to talk about this week. I'm very appreciative. Okay so yes. They're killing. Eve is finishing up season and yes insecure had a very strong season and no. I have not started either of them in. Yes. I'm very certain I will at least really really like insecure of those too. But you know what I did watch this week. I watch competitive flower arranging. So there's a lot of TV to talk about. There is yeah in. That's how the top of the barrel were giving is a flower. No it's not because it's bottom of the barrel it's because that is the content. I'm looking for right now. That's Ferron to also to be fair. Killing Kinda sucks this season so okay. I'm not feeling too bad about the choice then but no like I you know. There's there are reasons that my brain is going. Yeah just rewatch sense. Eight and Rewatch Limitless and put on some ultimate tag holy holy-moly and episodes of Holy Moly. Yes listeners. I'm breaking down bit by bit. There is what we're saying. There's going to be quite a bit of reality talk this week because that's where my brain is at so so we still have a lot of TV to talk about in a few weeks. We will get creative. But we're not there yet and We wanted to mention because I forgot last week. We heard from Vince over in twitter. Not Seasons until January. Twenty twenty one. That sounds like a good opportunity for us to bring back the DVD shelf and may ask just ever would end or life. I know I know shocking. Suggestions coming from me And obviously we've talked about before I'm a big fan of life so I would be down for that when we get there but I've actually never seen any everwood. I had seen a good amount of Everwood. We watched it on Sunday evenings when the WB would air reruns of their prime time programming be as lead INS to their primetime stuff. They did on Sunday. Sometimes US I've seen like a good bit of it So I'm bigly familiar with the show enough to know that like Chris. Pratt is really famous. Now in Gregory Smith went from being an actor to being director Which I think is probably the better choice. Not a comment on his talent. Just directing more fun So yeah but also may I suggest because the entire thing is now available on. Hbo Max the Big Bang Theory. All eleven seasons now now. Now it's important piece of history. No friends I I could deal with some friends but I'm putting my down on Big Bang theory despite very much enjoying certain aspects of that show because the show improves dramatically when they add to the cast with the like the female cohorts right. Yes of the family. And then it stagnates again. Detrimental improvement show comes it creepy stalker ish unacceptable behavior from amy. That is treated as adorable. Because it's coming from a woman and therefore like harassment is just cute guys so yeah no. I have no No interest in doing a Big Bang Theory. Watch despite again really liking the proposal seen across the glass was the song for Bernadette like I like. There's some stuff in that show that I really really appreciate a bunch of really talented actors there but no but we will be getting to a point here. We have discussed Vince about how we're going to approach things when we start running low on shows and Some sort of back and forth like I pick a show you pick a show kind of situation as likely where we are headed at some point. But I'm curious because like the the DVD chef has theoretically we watch a bunch of show. And I just don't have time for that anymore like I did previously when I was underemployed and trying to lake scrape together enough students and gigs to like make ends meet so fortunately Even in the current situation. I'm managing to be mostly employed level fruit with my violin which means significantly underpaid so therefore working way too many hours. So so that is. You don't have the time to watch a whole series in a week the way that I used to like. Yeah that one weekend. I watched thirty episodes of cheers. It was glorious such a good show but we will come up with solutions. We have ideas Any other shows that we should throw out there that you think we should we make to know I mean the jetsons is all on. Hbo Max now. So I feel like the jetsons is a possibility Do all the jetsons including the bad nineteen eighties animation style. It doesn't look nearly as good like these. These are the thoughts I have now see whereas I'm more like can we hunt down dinosaurs. Can we hunt down? Some dinosaurs is really hard to find. I think shame 'cause that's great. Yeah now it's going to be what's available streaming. Since libraries aren't available library razor certainly less available. I'm solicitors reach out and let us know what shows you want us to to like either? Let's say this focus on short run shows So miniseries I would be all for like a bunting. A bunch of like really eventful mini series. That I have never seen or should receive Merlan. No I never did see my home hand. I'd like to Revisit Merlin especially now that Samuel's like a total chick magnet and it still dog the Doug analyst metered but or shows that were like one and done or like two seasons but not that many episodes or kinds of shows where you can give us a list of ten episodes that we can watch and have like a good sense of the show. Something like that So we're we're saying is a lot of British comedies. Everyone where we're looking for is love British comedies. Very here for British comedy So we'll be we've been thinking about. We have ideas but we want to hear from you guys to of things that you would be excited. Us talking about So because the I mean the one that keeps coming up in my brain. 'cause I still feel like I didn't give it a good enough shot for Carl is detector wrists if feel like I need to give it another go but We've already talked about on the show so it wouldn't be for that would just be for my own conscience because I still feel bad about that. One news wise in the TV world unfortunately as interested but we were hoping against hope. Emergence was canceled but stumped. Tom Lives renewed so get ready to get stumped and season two whenever that is whenever. That is right no yeah. I'm very disappointed about emergence. Absolutely not surprised in any way shape or for Because we were literally the only three people watching that and I say three because I'm counting my partner in that So yeah but sometime very glad about and I'm hoping that they sort of recalibrate the show just a smidge. Yeah because they need to do something with their supporting cast. Answer what that's supporting cast is and how it interacts. But otherwise I'm very excited to keep on stumping and then of course what we did. The shadows was renewed for season three. And when I saw that news I was both relieved in very happy but also surprised that it hadn't been renewed sooner So that did because I felt like a no brainer and it feels like facts. Usually when they have a good show. They support Yeah but we've got Disney now that changes the calculus but yeah so anyways at least we know what in the shadows season three is coming Which will make the series a season finale of that. That is coming in just a couple of weeks. Here be a little less of a thing so at least we can look forward to a season. Three avoid in the US there was also a change to the Golden Globes eligibility rules that that popped up married or this week that I was fascinated by this was due to the man delorean because apparently they're their rules about who is eligible for best actor. Is You voice? Performance voice only performances are not eligible. Which is stupid but At least make it. Its own category. I guess but but what was strange to me. Is this notion that because you couldn't see his face that that meant it was voice only performance and the rule changes that because you actually do see his face. There's there are enough scenes where you see his face such episode of the season such that he is eligible. But it's like what did they think he's doing with his body 'cause his body is also acting. Yeah so here's my thing about. This is like a couple of different things. One there is the physicality aspect of it. That you're acting. You're doing a vocal performance. That is also acting mind. Larger problem with it is the confirmed aspect of the fact that Pascal. Just not onset for those episodes so does he only get to technically. Smith the finale where we know. He's at least onset for those scenes as opposed to win his it when a stuntman did all that physical work and in collaboration with Pascal. So that's really my problem with. It is the fact that we're drawing this really arbitrary line about his eligibility but not the eligibility of his his fellow actor basically who also just did whole episodes of the show and Pascal did not. So that's really kind of squishy for me because it draws a real line of we'll wait. How many episodes does Pascal have to be in for him to technically be eligible then How does this work And also it's the globe who the hell cares but if this were the NBA is. I'd be much more like up in arms about this but it's Globes but it's all kind of weird bullshit That I'm just I'm not here for it's just nonsense and voice acting should be recognized but this gets into like the larger discussion that everyone was having when the mandatory and came out last year of wait. Why would you hire Pascal to do this when he's just going to be under a helmet the entire time? It's like well because actors do more than just faces like you know that Atkins more than just face work. Well just knowing that he wasn't actually filming all of the scenes or episodes there's certain absence with that makes sense because they're very stunt heavy So I get that more and I'm sure that the the the notion of a character being a collaboration between the main actor and at least one stunt performer and these different things. That is nothing new that makes complete sense And I've been saying for ages. There should be a best stunts and Ben Performer award at the Emmys not the Oscars because significant thing. That is not so to me only gets its own dedicated separate awards like there's the producers guild award but guess what producers still get an Oscar if they win at the main awards So there so that's very interesting to me but also I feel. I feel vindicated by me like I don't see the performance coming through in aisles. Like sometimes I do sometimes see the performance coming through and sometimes I don't see any specificity to the movements now. I feel slightly less like on my own separate island about that knowing that sometimes it was the Pascal and sometimes it wasn't and I don't have the same expectations for a stunt performer. As I do for Patrick. Pascal cast for his acting obviously but also for his name because he is a respected actor and they gave some prestige to this show. That was you know helping launch the all Disney plus stuff so like a was like I knew it but I didn't but I'm going to save. I knew it. So yeah the notion that acting is only. The face is very strange. How are you going? It's only Timothy Alphonse voice in season two. Yeah we'll see we will see Ya anyways. That is our news for this week at the end of the show. We're GONNA be talking about. This is America which is finished up season. I think only seasonal food. Yes thank you at Hulu But untechnical Hulu sorry ethics on who? It's important distinction that everyone knows and cares about and certainly remembers. We're going to listen to Some some music from legends of tomorrow now as we had into because the whole thing as I was watching it I was like okay. Pause opened up my computer. Pull up the you know the streaming APP. We're going to be recording this audio because we will definitely be using the whole thing is too long so to use only part of it But yes I as soon as the started on legends. Like An. We're using this in the podcast because it is very good very good. So enjoy some Whatever part I use. I don't even know what the name of the song is Press Mr Parker's repressive repressive call to sack enjoys the music. We'll be right back after this and feelings bad feelings Mike you so mad you WANNA scream failings. Everyone sometimes. Is those feelings when you do. Just sing this song spark reiner. You're trying to help. Read Rests Rape Threes? I'll go back and read threats eights banner to bury my feelings. Then feel awful as lay the bad feelings maker so mad. You WanNA scream feelings. One sometimes. Has Those feelings when you do this song on those as the old age and you got flag. That was our. Mr Parker is called sack a song from this week's episode episode of legends of tomorrow this weekend. Tv In things with reality this week. And we're GONNA start with legendary. Which is the vogue in competition this competition show on? Hbo Max This Week. We had the MIR welcome to my house. Then we have. I caught up with a few episodes of the big flower fight was on Netflix flicks. Just a flower flower arranging and like sculpture. Kinda show Then we're GonNa talk about alternate tag and Holy Moly because after your recommendation. All I did check out Altima tag and I enjoyed the first two episodes and then of course had to compare contrast with Holy Moly. So that's coming in a little bit. Then we'll talk drag race in their reunion upset alone together. The move onto genre with merv. Marvel's agents of shield the new deal immediately followed by legends. Tomorrow the one where we're camped on TV and we'll round things out with the good fight. Finale the gang finds Jeff Epstein. Jeffrey essenes killer was so-called. The gang finds out who killed Jeffrey obscene out. Thank you and then just a bit about this season overall because we haven't talked as much about the season for a while but I is legendary on HBO. Max I've seen the I two of this The first two available So I've also seen the first episode. That has an elimination but I thought it was really smart of them to introduce the houses the format and everything without any elimination in the first episode. What did you think of this show? How familiar were you with vogue beforehand and You know was a a good move to launch with the start visual match Max so as a well educated white upper to middle class person who has almost a masters in media studies. I've seen Paris's burning right so I'm familiar with. I'm I'm familiar with the ballroom. Seen through the Lens of Paris's burner Which admittedly is dated in terms of just being from for late? Eighties and early nineties So but not enough. That I didn't go like I know who the House of Ninja is. I know who the House of Saint Laurenti is I know like the House of There was another house. I think it was the house of West. It's like maybe heard of But not through. Paris is burning. So I'm familiar enough with it in like that conceptualization of it that a lot of this was just like we're GonNa do introductions and I think that works okay I I should say. I only watched the first episode. I wish I wish I had watched that second episode so I could have actually seen like the competition aspect of this because the introductory episode of. Here's everyone knows GonNa get eliminated. But here's everyone here. Sort of a sampler of what our format is makes for really boring television Like it's kind of it's super weird mash up of like so you think you can dance and drag race and There was another comparison. The back of my rain though. I can't quite put my finger on now when I watched this yesterday but like it just never kind of like the first episode never comes together for me in any way shape or form that feels compelling or interesting as opposed to just little set pieces each now. There's no narrative basically And so just felt more like a chain of like almost like a short music videos for me rather than I have a sense of who these people are. I have sense of what this show is about. And that was just really sort of frustrating on like a premier level for me so I don't dislike it But like it's not a good intro. I think to the show to watch that first. Episode apart from this is a primer for all the folks. That don't know what this is. This is the best way to look at it and I think I should have just jumped to the second episode Which I think is what I should have done. But I didn't know that the first episode was going to be curious. What a houses. Here's the history evoking real fast Here's all of this stuff and I just want. But I I know all this appreciate you doing this quick legwork for me but I would like tickets at the competition now. Please and thank you. So we're the the dances than with the sequences of different houses. Performing wasn't enough for you. It really wasn't enough in a part of that was also. I don't like the way that they're edited chops. A lot of them depending on like the pace of the pace of it 'cause who is it that did Largely face covers was Gucci. I don't remember which house but I remember Sequence. Yeah and that's quences pace because of how they perform it. It's edited in a way that really emphasizes a lack of cuts in a slowness to it. Other folks were. There's a lot of action where there's a lot of movement they get. Cut a lot more to really emphasize that kind chaotic nature of the dance. And I think that's the larger problem with production side and that really takes me took me out of watching the performances so it was really difficult to focus on like the formats aspect of it and just focus on the passion aspect and watch on whomever has decided that they're going to be the judge that is going to be the angriest and the hardest to Whatchamacallit impress who I think is lot roach Is like okay? That's fine so all I do is focus on the fashion when I want on the entire presentation. I don't get to do that in that first episode so that was really frustrating for me. How did you feel about these two episodes? Because I've been talking for a few minutes I feel like I don't have enough to say because I only watched that first episode and it was fine. I liked it when you did too. I definitely did watching this While I was on the treadmill and I was like you know what I need to stop. I need to watch this so that I can pay attention. the editing like. You're saying that I could really see what they were doing okay. They're not messing around these very talented dancers. Okay I need to actually make sure I'm watching this and so I started it over and watched it in a less distracting environment. And I think that I mean I hear what you're saying especially if you were already familiar with the basics of ballroom which I mean obviously neither of us or anything approaching experts on that absolutely not. I really wanted him precisely. Not even a little bit but familiar with the terminology. A lot of the basic terminology and some of the different moves in just from seeing you know watching spurning or a drag race or not pos-. There's a bunch of small scenes the stuff Granted those are not actual. You know Paris's burning his documentary footage but you know the rest of that is much more manipulated choreographed presented for narratives purposes but Yeah there's a lot of hand holding this episode if you're new to the scene which is probably very good to make sure we get as wide audience as possible but it also can make it feel slow Can make you feel repetitive. Because they got nine houses eight houses to there's there's arguably too many houses see I would be more interested in like a smaller number of houses in a thing where you get points each week but don't get eliminated. Yes I think that's a much better radio in this and that You know but because that's not the case we're talk about this in a little bit more Guards to another show When you when you watch all of our interests each of these houses each house has five members in a lot of times. They're trying to interest each of those five member issues. It's too much to follow in. It's too much to give any meaningful amount of time to is just as exactly problems that they have on drag race at the beginning of the season. They're tried to interest thirteen queens. And this season right. They split it into two premiers into six and seven. You've got to actually get a sense of the personalities and the skill sets of these competitors. Because you were only trying to follow six or seven at a time. It was much much more successful so they have the same problem. Here I liked. I liked the performances. I enjoyed that one house. That was like you just said you. You said introduce that so. I introduced the house. I didn't know we were all going like. Wait to take everything to eleven teachers pets. Which is shows the lack of Maybe a lack of understanding of the competition from that one house compared to everybody else going all out with their introductions but Yeah I what I would have liked here. I enjoyed this within you did. I actually was compelled and use and watch the second episode right away because I could screening privilege What I liked was the performances and also liked a lot is our host a John. Wesley and I really liked leamy Maldonado. Who is a really famous and respected vote performer and so that they were great. And there's not nearly the kind of judging that I think this show would benefit from. And if they had at least one more person on the judging panel who has strong connections to the vogue ing world and could give some technique and like specific critiques. It would do do. What a world of benefit. Because while I enjoy the personalities that they're doing. I don't have any connection to Roach or mega mega stallion I really appreciate MILLAGE MEAL. But he you remember that controversy. That happened when she was announced. Yeah and they said well they start out saying she was going to host in judge and then there's no she's not hosting she's just one of the judges and then this actually this really respected vulgar is going to be are the MC. Well it has been this first episode but in the second episode it happens way more various ACLU like Jamila meal is definitely Is supposed to be the host. Because every time there's an announcement from the judges or like this person is eliminated or this person is is the winner. She always says it. She gives the description of the categories. She gives the it's like. Why are you doing that? You've got an emcee right here. Who's very good? Yeah let him be the MC and you'll be one of the judges. Yeah but that's not like there's a clear delineation she's got they also bring in guest judge starting in the second episode celebrity to be on the panel. So now there's five judges and only one of them who knows what they're talking about. And and the judging because there isn't judging really invest they just give some feedback. There are set but they can either they can either give them tens across the board or they can cut them and that's it so they would actually give them numbers so you can't get a sense of like that was good. That was like six. This is an eight and here now I will tell you why they got a ranking is just either yes or no it's a pass fail and then when when it's down to two then they pick who they looked better okay and so that's how they structure it and I think it's it's because they've got judges who can't tell you why something got a seven nominates and the dancers are talented enough and specific enough and interesting enough that I would much rather have like I've got my issues with. I think you can dance. But everyone on that panel. Even the person who ever each season is there to be the nice one they always come from performance background of some sort. There's not a lack of expertise. There's not a lack of expertise even if that isn't always playing even if they're playing it down and being very generic you know that the person knows what they're talking about and in this. It's a lot of reactions T to two things and not like you know basically. I just go like okay. What is said the only say okay? That's the person I'm actually GONNA believe. 'cause they know what they're talking about and these other people are entertaining but they are not in my opinion. They're not up to the challenge represented by the talent level of the dancers. And so I'm of two minds about it because I. I think it's great that this dance form is getting this platform because it's always frustrating me on so you think you can dance. Somebody comes out invokes house down and they'd never take them to the next level of the competition because the so you think you can ask just doesn't have that same respect for voting just very frustrating so I appreciate that. There's know this is a very good platform for a bunch of really talented dancers. But I wish they had done a better job with the structure and with their judging panel and I don't know why they didn't other than maybe budget. Yeah and I don't know like I have. I have so many questions about this. Show in terms of the production development cycle of it and what it was wrong because basically based on what you told me regarding Jamile It very much. Sounds like they WANNA do Padma from top chef and except for the fact that Padma knows what she's talking about it it'd be like if they have Padma on the panel but then they have someone else hosting all right writers like. It's very strange. If you're if you're on the fence I would say watch episode to Then we talk about it next week. You can still you know. I'll definitely watch the second episode and maybe the It should be out by the time. We recorded report So I'll try it all out space for that In between watching sad Irish people next week It's a show that will be talking about next week. Everyone oh I didn't realize the released both episodes. Okay cool then. I can not MISSI words. Yeah yeah the second episodes available already available it with the first episode on Wednesday when? Apo Max Rollout. Yeah I would appreciate someone with an affinity for provoking voting in the bar scene and all of that. I want to understand it better by watching the show. I want to be able to appreciate the dancers and what you know what they're able to do which is really neat and appreciate everything that else that goes into putting on shows which is featured in the second episode costuming and Choreography and laving and all that which is cool. But I also want to walk away knowing more about it and I don't feel like I am. That's fair more next week. Do you know more about flower arranging. Now some of the big flower fights one which is currently on Netflix's and a lot of people are talking about. Yeah no okay so this is. It's it's the most obvious. Great British bake off clone. So far where even though there's only one round but each episode has one sculpture that they're doing how dare I'm making it as a thing. I know that speaks to. Just how blatant they are with this with this. This one so much The the reason that I find the push play on this is that one of the host is Natasha Italia Dimitrio or Najah from what we channel exactly right. It's like Oh my God. I'm watching this. And she's delightful. But here's why okay. If you watch it I get it listeners. If you if I might I might go back and watch more of it to Is Very great to fall asleep. You wake up by the end in the see. The final results goal. Those are really cool. Like that's my level. But they commit one of the cardinal sins of reality competition shows in that they don't show us. Everyone sculptures every week a so in the second episode. You're still meeting teams. That competed in the first episode. But we never saw their finished sculpture. And you can't do that. That's not acceptable. And I think the reason is because they don't want it to be too scattered or maybe they didn't look regard so the only show the best and the worst but like if you if your show can't handle also the judge is not very good. They have one main judge and they bring in guest judge every week. So they're not. That's not a good idea. Ignore it he should not have more hosts than you have judges anyways So there's a there's a laudable attention to topics like sustainability. That's a big part of the first episode. So there's more awareness and more like trying to engage with different issues around Like landscaping sculpture in flowers. And everything like that In than I anticipated which I was really happy to see but you you cannot. If if you don't trust your judges to be able to explain why this one is good in this one is not. You've got a really big problem and don't say in your insects and Oh we're making a giant snail and then don't show me the giants snail and then expect me to be invested in the snail team in the second episode. When you decide you're going to spend more time with his father and son duo Yeah you don't you don't you can't do that. You can't do so. I have strong feelings about the big flower flower fight. Despite being Lee mildly invested. I like some of the teams quite a bit There's some there's some really obviously very talented people But there he had their amateur flower arrangers and the first amateurs but some of them clearly are not and so them are and it's very weird so sound like there's a competitive flower arranging circuit. That you can go pro in but like some of them are florist in. Some of them are like Party. Designed specialists and some of them are artists who also work in a flower shop. Like severi very different things. So yeah it's a mess okay. I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah what a waste of Natasha Demetrio. So she's again. She's delightful. She's very fun. Yeah let's talk about ultimate tag okay so you talked about this last week and I was intrigued so I watched it and it is real dumb you sweat. It's so stupid but it's also really fun. Has the people who are doing it for the most part have good energy and a good perspective and they're also really good like the. The taggers are insane. Obviously that's their job but the competitors are ridiculous like Olympic Competitive Track Star. And I like like. They're not messing around with who they found to do this and they st- most of them still get their butts kicked and yeah it's it's it's really fun it's a bit too. Repetitive yes for me especially like watching the first episode okay. I don't know how the Games work fair enough watching the second. I had not said this year's recording so I couldn't fast forward. I don't need you explain dodge tag to me again but I understand that if this is your first episode which is very possible. You would need that explain okay. I see the problem here but I need to be able to fast forward. Because there's way too much filler. Also the white brothers like you said are not very good show should have gone a holy moly route and gone for comedians instead of athletes jus- and it would be so much better if they had comedians. Yep well that's the thing is like With Holy Moly you have an actual. Sports caster paired with comedian and that makes a world of difference in terms of like the level of enjoyment. Here and the brothers were just very bad on television. And they're terrible commentators because this is a weird thing to provide commentary on and they're also not to my knowledge they're not actual like they don't do like a lot of play by play commentary type stuff and as someone who has watched like both holy moly but um which. Mccall it a battle the network stars which they've back and also marble racing recently of like if you just commit to the idea of doom telecasting sports commentary type stuff. You can make anything really interesting like the people van Corona Virus Lake sports announcing like once in the park or dogs eating food. Well Yeah if you can do. Yeah and so that lack of that here in ultimate tag is really weird and very noticeable like in the second episode for me after getting over the whole this is very silly and. I'm enjoying it and now I'm like there are so many flaws in this show that could be fixed with just a couple of different tweets and they would actually be pretty solid. Yeah the the people on the second episode man like there. Every in the first episode was very good. Yeah but the second episode was particularly strong. Like why did they start with this one his lake to him? I mean I love how the the backgrounds you want or not martial arts. You don't need the kind of speed for that. That's not going to help you though. They're all in saline in good shape. But like you need track people and you need people with agility. Yes that's like some sort of Procure liquor saying last week or if like the the basketball person in the first episode does pretty well. Because again you need to able to change directions and stuff Or or like the football players because again same thing you need to be able to to spin dodge Yeah it was it watching. This is what I also think about it which I think is an improvement over something like Ninja Warrior which I'm a big fan of within warrior is that The Nice thing about injured worry is that there are certain personalities get over the different seasons who come back a rear and we don't get that here but what you do get here. That is nice. Is that people aren't just eliminated once they're gone so that happened. You get a first round where he spent time with everybody and then you don't have an elimination for a little bit. So even if someone gets tagged they're still gonNA have another shot. You can invest more. You can like play along with them throughout the episode until the final showdown round. So that really helps. I also am enjoying some of the taggers more than the others who I feel like. Flair inflow are the best taggers. Probably I mean that's the thing about the taggers. Is that the ones that do her. Core like run free running or definitely like the best ones because they can just go over top in that. Have to go around. And that's the thing is like that's the courses are set up for you to go over top Kaz going lower not going like over. The obstacles is tagged. You're going to get tagged on but also like I really. I really appreciate like the person who is the iron giant. Oh has just immense amount of personality but also is great not buying into like the whole persona thing of just like. I'm going to be kind of cool. This is like audits very good. I appreciate you very much. I like that. You don't buy into your gimmick too much. Unlike the guy who's going whole hog his gimmick which I kinda kid with the tongues I told you the tongue because it makes you look younger like it's stop doing it but I also watched some of the youtube stuff and he is delightful on Youtube. Yeah Yeah I had fun with it. I also appreciate the they're actually legitimately strategy to the sounds and that you know if you watch it more of it a certain point you can appreciate that like your first watching. You're going. This is ridiculous by your second third fourth episode. You can develop very specific and detailed approaches how you feel the correct way to play as for example in the end. You don't try to dodge the taggers you just you. Just accept that you're GONNA get tagged you go as fast as you. If you managed to not get tagged think one person so far has managed to tag by one of the people at the end. Congratulations you're very impressive So like that element of is Pretty Fun and affiliate dump tag is the part where there's the most of strategy gut which is pretty neat but which is why like in the second soda was really disappointed that they did that. Whole this highlights reel of Dome Tag. Because I'm just like the. Don't test the most exciting one you can do you. Also why are you not putting time against in for dome take every single time you know? It's of like they haven't figured I don't think that they figured out there what their taggers are good at yet. Because like I don't know if you remember but like American. Gladiators some of those gladiators had like specialty events that they were always end. And you were just like off of that. Person is doomed because laser is doing the thing Yeah so that's sort of like the thing that I'm interested in seeing. They figure that out as has produced more episodes The only thing I think is worth mentioning is all the audience members with their obviously showed show produced signs of like all the all the tag like. You don't know who any of these people are just gave you these signs and told you to wave them around so you could maybe be on TV and that takes us to holy moly. Which of course is the same thing and I still don't care but I I think I can appreciate the things that only does very well. That tag ultimate And so while tag is much more high energy I THE HOLY. Moly is pacing the comedy of it. I can appreciate even more Having having watched ultimate tags so some of their some of them are just fun. Some of the different challenges are just fund. The one where they have to run the two point five seconds to run. Pass all the eight outhouses before the door opens knocks. Them into the drink is entertaining One one person almost beat it in she just kind of she was the second leg just a not even a second late to start if she had burst Raewyn Burst forward right when it She go she probably would have made it but No one of the people in the first episode with the windmills dislike eventually just like now and just dumped into the water instead as come daters loved it because of course she doesn't realize she's got to do a second one right and then she did do the second one so she took the ones drug penalty but she was. She wasn't going to take the two stroke penalty. So yes the some of the structure design of it is not all that compelling but they get a surprisingly effective hour-long comedic like event. Show out of it. Everything considered so yeah. I had some fun with those this week though. I don't know and I actually really enjoyed watching ultimate tag with my dad and that might be a reliable like not turning on the news. So let's turn on him instead. Kinda show so we'll see maybe need to set a like a dvr recording so you could skip ahead. That would make a big difference. It makes a huge difference. So yeah I'll do that next is drag race with alone together the reunion show and I read this up over Davy Club and most my biggest takeaway mostly my big thing. Was this really good. Yes they did a really really good job and yes All the queen's look great except for I mean come on come was having her. You can try a little harder but the like. I was so impressed by the editing. Both the video and the audio editing for this like however. They managed to film this like congratulations. Well done. I'm sure. They sent cameras and lighting rigs in everything Mike Packs to everybody. But just the there are jokes that went back and forth that seemingly had a no to a miniscule amount of lag and I'm not I still am not quite sure of how film this such that they were not talking over each other so much that they could actually hear responded. What people were saying I. I assumed that they just like muted. Everybody except the one or two people who are talking and they recorded them and then they could like cut it back in. They told people to react but then there are a few times where people would react to something that on the first one was being interviewed said and then somebody else responded that like so. I was really impressed Yes this is the standard reunion show. But I'm now rather excited for what the finale might be based on the production level of this reunion. Yeah I think that's the key takeaway because I've generally found the reunion episode to both be a reunion episode but also kind of boring Especially in a season where a lot of drama happened very early and was not even particularly good drama. So the fact that we have to rehash stuff between Adrian it's just like our sorry aiden no I don't care and as you and I have discussed elsewhere. It's been a year for these people. They're just passed it and we're all and other people are like no no like everyone's fine. It's okay let's move on So I think like the production aspect of this episode is what's more impressive about everything than like the narrative or the discussion of everything that happened on the season So Yeah No. Just the sound editing. Visual editing really chaining together good reaction shots and then reaction commentary. It's really well put together and like you. I'm very excited to see. What the finale that airs. Today as we record is GonNa look like on because I feel like it's GonNa look really really good. I hope that it looks really really good and I hope that ru looks really really good as opposed to what looks like in this episode. Yeah okay so going with the theme of like a Party. That one person did not follow through who who did not bridge. You didn't follow the brief. Yes some of the people didn't follow the free but it was so smart. It was so smart because it just gave it this intimate feel gave it a feel of like now people like relaxing and having Lake. You know happy hour together with their friends like it it. It let it feel more intimate which is appropriate for a reunion show. They know these are not going to have drama. You know they. They weren't giving US drama. Throughout the season. With the different set of cleans you would approached this differently with this said it was going to be very friendly very cordial and very like Amiable through the whole thing so having that kind of like possum popcorn and put your hair up in rollers you know. And we're just GONNA relax kind of thing we're reach or address up as avenues or scrooge but make it drag. Yeah Yeah and so with that. I was trying like the the the Hoodie rate was like. Okay get loungewear. I mean I you could gone for a row but whatever and then I was like is the mass supposed to be a face mask ultimately went with in my right up though. It's obviously not but and it was because we didn't want to do make up and because he didn't have a team there to do is make it for him he hasn't done own headed his own makeup for like high. Def CLOSE UP. Tv In a very long time And so unless you'RE GONNA try to get Raven there somehow and And quarantine them and like you know. He's got a whole team. Who does all that stuff for him? So I look forward to seeing what it's going to be for the finale and maybe just be like. I will do that. But only for the finale doing it for the reunion fair to like it just was such. It was more legiter. Yes it was a face mask. It was very very strange I don't I didn't get it but I thought the of queens mostly queens looked terrific. I feel like yeah. I think there was a clear winner though who is a clear winner. Who was the clear winner? Who Do you think? Jada obviosuly pillows great with the Pillow and disease. Yes J two one but everybody else was really good too. I've really liked widows. Look me in the palm shares while it's just like Oh Cuba great You're you're living your best life. Yeah this is. Awesome and and highly space was beats gorgeous. Yeah I did appreciate the shade of You came in thirteenth roof race. Twelve can we talk about those real quick because the reeds were excellent and some people have been like you know shading it because they were so obviously reading them. What do you think they do during the regular season they memorize them ahead of time? Like you know the on the spot own Nikki. You're just you're reading that offer for card right now or screen and you're hiding it very well but I also don't care because this is how this works and because they are actually very good reads. I had difficulties deciding who I thought was the best. Because there were several peop- yet they didn't do enough of them. They did not especially considering. There wasn't a library challenge this year. Yeah but I think it's because everybody got to do like to instead of having eight people you know so because we're all all twelve of them there but yet it just Yeah it I was glad that they did do a reading challenge at the were so good and the whole thing. I thought was fun and mostly it did what it needed to do. Which was cleared the air on a couple of things that hopefully British start getting death threats And then let them site people up for the finale. We'll see more on the finale next week now is over genre Marvel's agents of shield new deal and I had some difficulty remembering the specifics of the setup. Yeah apparently there was an unknown amount of time that it took to settle the stuff up and I don't remember exactly the deal with that but I mentioned we'll be told eventually the main takeaway for me was look. You look you time travel. Oh look agents of shield is GonNa do lessons of tomorrow because there are certain time period hot spots so they can travel to and they're gonNA go back and forth falling the crew guys. Get the bag is you've heard about the casting for the season. Yes I know nothing about this season. Tell you know. There's one guest star that it's very exciting. Oh No I know about that. Are you talking about Perkin? Yeah yeah no I. Know About Enver. I'm very excited for them to hop forward couple of decades down so we can hang out with Cash but mostly I'm like you WANNA do legends in your own shield away. I'm very here for. I'm okay with it. No the substitutes. I had the same thing of like I kind of forgot like what? The premise of the season was going to be I remember that they were very begum like the time. Travel stuff right at the end of season six with Gemma being like furry seasons because we can't tell you because we have a mystery about fits and also because the actors not available for most of the season reportedly So like all of that and working working through that but it is also just like Oh. We're just going to hang out in nineteen thirty one and do some weird stuff and we're going to have weird face stealing stuff. It's Kinda gross and creepy and I like it and also the coatings were terrible earlier. Slick yes Patton oswalt gets to play. I'm here for all of this so I really enjoyed it. Aside from and I'd say aside from but also at the same time in keeping with being legends tomorrow this season there. Fdr's terrible just legitimately bad on which is very tomorrow. So I'm I was generally pretty happy with all the Salinas and I liked all the jokes about Zeke. Just being like you don't get to file any patent is good Ripples not waves repulsed not ways that whole time stream idea concept of them being like this is how we're going to justify this Has That's good? I appreciate you getting valid away so all in all. I'm here for all of this. And I really had opening scene with Phil getting all those. Two Years of memories downloaded all at once was really Kinda gut wrenching to watch both from Carter X performance which I thought was really good in that scene to everyone else's like discomfort and frustration with watching all of that play out as well was also really really really good so I'm very onboard with this whole we're going to do legends in our own way and also here's everything you liked about this show and we're going to figure it out because this is our swan salt swansong season so. I'm very excited about it. The scene I wanted to make sure to mention is I appreciate Show that has done. I mean able bodied person. This is not my place to say but what seems like a very good jess with disability representation with Yoyo. I thought that they gave me 'cause there certain things that they gonNA have trouble with in the past and having such a diverse cast is gonNA cause problems for the visit already starts to in this first episode but having a having a woman walk around with robot arms is nothing you can do in the past And have without you know waves so them finally giving her like normal looking like flesh and bone looking hands. is a significant thing. And I really appreciate the way. They approached it and I also hope that when they end up back in the future she is back to her normal hands. Yes But I thought that I really appreciated that. They addressed that that they aren't GonNa just Kinda put her in gloves all season. Pretend it's not a thing you know And that they will. I imagine they will not be like the scene of her touching. Her face was absolutely beautiful. And it's something that I hadn't thought about with the show in its various forms of representation making Mac. The leader all this stuff that has done very well throughout its run. In general I hadn't thought about the disability representation which is such a able able bodied person like focused thing to not consider until I was at comic con one year at a representation panel and they talked about that and I was like. Oh yeah yeah that must be really powerful. People DUMB. Never thought about that okay. I'm working on it so I I thought it was very important that they gave that seen the the significance needed and absolutely is it's arguably like of like the quieter moments in the episode apart like it's and not ranking these till reactivate Phil Activation scene of the Ellen de and that is that both kind of propel this episode a lot and provide a really solid emotional core to it. Yeah definitely I'M. I'm looking forward to the season and two. We'll see what comes next. Let's go to our actual of tomorrow episode The one where we're trapped on TV and we love it consul so good even though like it's a rehash of a retread of a number of different episodes that they've already done in doom world. It's already has to figure out how to save Again but here's the thing. It still feels really fresh. It's really funny and it's still really toothsome in like a number of the emotional beats and when you can manage to do that while basically retreading ground that you've already done earlier in the show but do it better than both those other instances to certain extent like the time loop sorry episode still like top Tier Legends tomorrow for me but this is a much better like doom world's ask episode for number of reasons that will get into here But this episode just so so so so good. That Kinda can't get over it. There's one problem with his episode for me and the problem is not them saying so much as it is a me thing carbon also a little bit of them thing and it is when they go to the Mr Parker's neighborhood song. Yes because the last time we saw Mr Parker neighborhoods who was in Mr Parker's neighborhood but are good boy ray when raisin here other and they didn't and I was like damn you know it's a it's a weird thing because like I knew like I got excited but then my partner pointed out. No He's not in the trailer for this. They had someone else in Cardigan that's right. We're not going to get ray. It's really frustrating. I really wanted ray here There's no reason for him not to be here other than money in contracts because lots of people are there have no need to be there so no it's like we managed to get Ramona young back home for an episode of very effectively used and utilized in this episode as well Though arguably like all the weird supporting side characters from very storylines including Rory's family popping up towards the end and being an I'd hit that gross slack off the show March but no. I absolutely agree that like. It's very weird that it's not right. And it feels like a weird sort of sidebar. But they really want that sinister as Lee thing for that sequence you but that's not why it's not right. That's why it's not right now right so it's not rai- because then ray would have to be in the finale and the show moving forward and they wanted to write him off so that that's why it's not him. I said to deal with that as much as I would other. You know it was as much as would have made Oliver Legends Hearts. Go Peter Pat but aside from that separate element. I thought that they really nailed their different. Parodies was like alternate buds. Yes ended ultimate buds for friends. Which is just yeah was really really well done They've got Downton Abbey for High Castle Abbey which nailing both music for that is like. What's really key in that sequence? And they hit the Downton Abbey Score. They spit crushed. The score was exactly right. It's too perfect as someone who is listen to that soundtrack. Quite a bit. Because it's really good. It's like Oh no. That's that is all very correct. And the the star trip For our two captains for life with a crew that never dies because they're all interests he was just very good aside from the fact that I was just like. Where's Rory whereas Roy show whereas rory is he like professional wrestling and then to have be con- but movie cod not t? Ti Series Cod. Because she needs to do various hair. You need to the hair. And he's doing a different voice and just like show. That was worth you making me wait but also just like nailing Mulun stuff like see. I don't think they mailed that I think that was the weak point of that. I think that the Romulo in costumes of really really good and off appropriate enough and I like the head. I like the prosthetic work in that. Yeah I think they didn't do a good enough job of differentiating the characters. Oh I think that's fair yet and that might fit but then it was too hard to track. There wasn't enough specificity to individual characters and there wasn't enough specificity to their ship and everything Filling time it didn't feel that did not feel as organic to star Trek as the other stuff felt organic to Downton and two friends over her so that was a part of why the Star Trek one wasn't as effective for me. I thought everything with every everything with the captains was great i. I loved their kiss at the end. It was like they managed to do like a whip around sweet someone into a dip thing. That wasn't a dip soon. Could be equal partners in the kiss which is like I can't. I can't think of a time I've seen that On my shows it's always one of the characters is in like a more dominant in a more submissive positioning and so two to not do that. Felt very a pointed in empowering in such an awesome way yes so cool not to mention. I'm sure you know all the fun you can have with all the slashers out there. The flankers just like blanket. You hit the slash layers. And then there's like they're gay people in O s parody Just it's It's very good and yeah it's an kitty. Lots of Shattner impressionist. It was fun. I've seen better known significantly better but she didn't want to Overdo it which I appreciate because it's really easy to Overdo a impression L. I see I thought it was overdue. Okay well also if you're gonNA overdo a ham that's the hand to overdue. Yeah that's true that's true. I also I really liked. I really liked the the spark of it all to and we cannot finish cutting this without mentioning Constantine's hair. That was my favorite part of all the downton stuff. I like that. It just steadily starts taking on color to Just it's it's very good And I really just appreciate it also like we should take a moment to like really getting to like taller. Like she's been this season but then to really try that in this episode on of like the vocal work that she's been doing to differentiate sorry sorry And like how those differences play. It's just it's really. It's really good and like they should never let her leave. This show. Well is the thing is I kind of them to keep both of the night and also rod which they can't do? The ship is already too full. Yes so I you know I have a feeling one of his Ariz going to die in the next episode but I would really like them to just like I want them to be on the show but if they can't be on the show I want Astra to go off into the sunset. Yes and I want to point Allenby Rod to go off into the sunset and and Zari. One point can stay on the show Because let's let's be honest. We need someone we need anyone. TO TO BE INTER INTERACTING WITH NATE. And then. Just. Stop Popeye for visit sometime. Like a look how immediately clear eva was with with is a good plenty forgot she's Yeah the the pinning this episode on Zara. One point after only having seen her in to brief moment like one brief moment at the very beginning that video and the stat one scene was our to point out was very smart and you know. Talla ashes up for the performance. She does really great really great job in there's enough weight there then to all the to all the interactions because we've been missing her and also she missing all the other characters that it really makes sense with her and with the cheese limbo propels everything else and it gives such a powerful wait to these interactions that it balances all of the silliness so it just was really smartly put together. Yeah No. It's great and there's just so many like it's mostly Chewy is Scott all that good sort of Legends Self Win King Management. Like the idea of nate auditioning for Arrow posed as Oliver Queen for the fake Crossover Bakken. Hey World Just like I love your show. I love you very much Please get this finale in just really nail it For me if there's like a sticking point apart from what US already numerate. It's that Charlie doesn't get a lot of play. This episode and that lack of an emotional arc for her is kind of a problem given the premise of the whole thing So that's kind of a problem for me especially given how Charlie as a character who's been kind of like really squishy as an even more so the fact that she's been arguably supposed to be very central to this season's arc and has not been is a kind of a stumbling block for me that they still don't know what to do this character. Even though they're basing the entire season around Charlie and they kind of went. Yeah when this episode. It's a problem with the season overall. Young and it's a real big problem because I don't buy this. I don't buy that are Charlie. Comes up with this idea and this is her solution that she's okay with that If they had given her more agency texting in front of the shoemaker about this episode was airing if they had given Charlie more agency in chasing down the loom yes and making it more her idea and so therefore she felt the sense of guilt over getting her friend skill over like all that then I could absolutely by this more cowering like this is the best solution. I could come up with kind of response but they didn't do that. She had to be like you know twist her arm into it so like they they have. They've bungled her arc. This season Often because it's a rare thing for them to do but it really is disappointing The they weren't able to to manage that trajectory better. And really right to this point. Because then I'm sure she's GonNa have a redeeming thing in the finale and they're going to. They're always win. It's a matter of how many people have to die. So you know I. I think I think this could have been even better. Give us a few weeks but I really really liked it. It was very good. It's very it's hard to get caught up on those negatives but in that particular instance I feel like the episode brings into stark contrast of everything else in this is really good. Here's like this big glaring negative thing that you don't realize until you go. Oh wait none of this works Yeah it would have been better if they had like fixed that. Yeah well our last episode for the weekend. Tv is the good fight. Finale in this is. We've had several finale so far that attended espinel but for the most part. Most of them have worked. Yes this one. Not so much. The gang discovers killed Jeffrey. Epstein is the finale. Yes there's a bit of a cliffhanger with the fate of the firm that's not usually the kind of cliffhanger that the show ends on so it's GonNa be a it feels like a last turn. It doesn't feel like finale It'll be interesting to see what happens at the start of the next season. I assume it's already renewed. It is renewed for a fifth season. Yes okay so. Let's start with the Jeffrey. I've seen of it all and then let's go and then let's go to everything else. So what did you think of the case of the week and how they handled it? Did you like the eventual reveal at the end? So I was really concerned about them doing the Jeffrey Epstein thing after the premiere the Pillar Clinton dream thing because I didn't think that worked particularly well because the Harvey Weinstein of all just didn't come together in a way that I really made sense for me and I also just didn't like the general politics of it so that was like barriers. This works much better. I think I think the whole idea of wanting to- void falling into conspiracy trap and then immediately falling into one How easy that is dramatizing. How easy that is. I think is really really compelling really really interesting to demonstrate just you want things to make sense and you're going to latch onto something that helps you make sense and all a lot of this is real like bill bars. Dad Actually did write a book. That was this book. And it's just like your mind kind of leaks things out of your ear when you think about that And so all of that in Washington. Just slowly build into this own little conspiracy. That aren't covered the truth. A air quotes eight. Truth I think is just really really interesting and then to just wrap it all into large citizen Kane referenced at the halfway through them really drive at home Down to like seeing it out from like this idea of. I've really wanted to make him his own hearst castle. Which is what Xanadu and citizen Kane is supposed to be based on all of this stuff and it's all throughout from bud and just all of this stuff and then just ending with citizen Kane referencing than going. No no wait. This led the sleds. A red herring. We've got the real Rosebud in the parasite cavern and this is like. Oh you I So I really actually really joined the case of the week. I like how they present it. I liked the whole layer of it. It's just really good. And I think like pinning six eighteen into this to a certain degree to kind of like give a fanatic button to the season. Even if it doesn't work as finale I can still works as a thematic finale for them Even if it doesn't work as good plot finale Since they were really gearing up for that in episode aid which is why. All the Julia stuff in this episode is actually from episode eight. The head shot for a few days in that. That was all they were. GonNa get so all the Julius episode That they worked in so that they could have some sort of a cliffhanger to carry them through to season pride. I but I really really liked it. I like the weirdness I liked the show ending on a Dick joke Just all of this. I think this shows so can weird kate so I really liked it. I thought it was good. I thoroughly enjoyed it. How did you feel about it? I think I really liked the kiss the week. It was funny. It was ridiculous. And how do you avoid conspiracy theories figures like I've seen? Yeah exactly. That's the problem if it's if you end up completely separated divorced from conspiracy theories or things that sound like conspiracy theories in engaging with the facts because of what his life was so like. Yeah Yeah I think a just. They had the right balance with that in this episode. I thought and they did a good job having characters back away from and embrace that In equal measure at various various points and taking characters who are usually more reserved and letting them be the ones to to bring up those issues. I thought worked out so yeah it was fun. Ridiculous knows fund the larger stuff with the season. I did not know that they Julia stuff was from the next episode. That make sense But it was good that they put it in. I'm glad they were able to incorporate it here and Yeah We'll see what happens with that But the tensions with the firm makes sense the Talk about the some of the casting news for next year but The the stuff of the for made sense. There are some larger issues or questions. I have about the season that I don't know whether they would have been resolved with the final. Three episodes were or not Very confused but the Hugh Dancy Steph. Yes Other than join dancing and being you know appreciating him being on TV. And you know. I don't know that I by the character in. I don't know that I by his interactions with a lot of the cast. So in the military episode was fun. Military Court is always a hoot on these shows but yeah a soldier this episode and I look forward to what's GONNA come next. There are some casting talk radio and the first customer to talk about. Is Donna Lynne? Champlin as the cheerleader. Which I'm I'm Saturday. Burned THAT CASTING. 'cause now she can't be on a recurring role but also. I never would have thought that and it is Gloria's yet no. It's like I immediately went into small sporty and went best cameo right here. This is it. No one's going to do dispenser just because it comes out of nowhere and it's just like all right. I know she's don't a lot of Broadway work but I feel like she's here because the kings love crazy ex girlfriend that is my head cannon is that they love crazy ex girlfriend. Yeah she's very very good. And how memorable and I was like mid text to Alson. When I was like Kate. She's not awake yet. You're up stupid early. Stop you're GonNa talk to her later today at when we talk about Lucifer. Just wait five hours. Yeah so listeners. She used behind them the good fight so I unfortunately we can't we can't share Nelson reaction but Yeah it was delightful and very good and Yay look forward to Alston's thoughts when she gets there but the other thing we have to talk about is that Dylan does not meals show next year and I think about a instagram live stories. Saying cush jumbo may not be the next year either Ryan so breaking it. All Down Lindos departure announced back in February before the show even premiered because he is going to headline a ABC drama called homes kitchen that he was very very excited about very interested in So and his contract was also up at the end of the season anyway And he was very very excited about this show. Harlem's kitchen and they even like try to figure out of the production overlap could be avoided wasn't going to be so he opted to do this pilot. The door is going to be for him to come back with the pilot picked up on and who the hell knows given the everything that all our right now but his departure is not apparently based on any animosity about him being on the good fight because apparently he really really enjoys doing the show So it's got nothing to do with the show in any way shape or form. It's just this other project came along that he was going to be the lead of and he was very very excited about folk doing it so it has absolutely nothing to do with his unhappiness with the good fight or anything like those because he really likes being on the show. Apparently so that's really good on and the doors open for him to come back if you come back basically so that's really good as well. Because I don't like the idea of the show without him yet. He feels like unnecessary counterpoint. To Bransky. Yeah No. He's in the site dynamics of the. Yeah Joe he's very necessary. I feel like that character is very necessary Then the cush jumbo apparently announced on instagram live thing that she's not coming back But because live. I can't find it anywhere anymore and none of the trains are reporting about it either to end. I don't know that there's been any official confirmation about this and I'm very confused if like I assume. Everyone's contract was up for this after four seasons Just given the nature of streaming show the fact that maybe they just didn't expected to do more than that but also all of these people are like in-demand folks which is another reason to not tie them up for too long aside from Baranowski who I think just loves playing Diane Lockhart. And why wouldn't you because she's a fabulous character But I don't know so like I have been able to find anything. Jimbo's not been talking about it on her twitter feed the like she's been doing a lot of work to like talk about the hamlet that she's doing which I'm fury desperately want to see and all the stuff I don't have anything about the good fight so it's kind of weird situation of. She's apparently leaving but we don't know so I don't know I yeah it's bad optics. For the shows we unite have discussed that all the people of color seem to be leaving their show or quitting their show being off their show their leads even rose leslie except Rose Leslie and also just Bartha and like there. It's just a weird sort of situation for the show that's constantly retooling itself to a certain degree but it recharges itself in weird ways in terms of casting Just to let Audra McDonald goes. I just don't do it. You have to keep her. You have to keep your McDonald's and you have to keep Christine Bransky and you shouldn't have to keep the Orlando but I appreciate the fact that this project can along. You really wanted to do it. And his contract. Yeah so I'm more. Invested in Lake in Kosovo's performance than I am in most of the things in the show even those stranded in another show this season much to her detriment to the fact of like. She has a kid does she. Does she kid if we never see the kid? Does the exist pizza gain? Yeah maybe they can ever win at Twenty Million Dollar Candy Poker. And then she retired to to go to choose of family friends and sleep instead of work and fitness. Yeah so am very hesitant about. I mean I mean for the show it. Yeah I was not hesitant about Rose Leslie. Because the show didn't know what to do with character with Maya not hesitant about Losing Bartha though he was fun on the show because the main Lucas Lucas. The main character that in that little quarter things but Both if they're losing both of those performers right at the same time lets can be rough. Yeah they have a plot reason that they can do it because they need to cut twenty percent of your budget right and that little scene with the check marks and I thought that was actually really great little way to visualize that. Yeah no it was a really good way of visualizing it and then it's so weird that in a show and with these creators and this franchise where I and again should be like at the forefront and then like the whole thing of Larry Cat screwing them over by putting Diana to Pro Bono to lower billable hours and thus preventing them from being able to buy themselves out should be like the ultimate sort of like Gut Punch. But then it's like no guys Jeffrey Epstein stuff and it's just it shows like we're the kings priorities are now that I just like they're going full weird As opposed to like hitting the fan type stuff which is what that should feel like and yet it's not the main thrust. It feels really satisfying unlike a narrative level. But it's not what you remember about the episode until you start like ticking through it. Yeah yeah well. Any other thoughts on the season I mean it's hard to say because of how truncated the season ended up being in a way that other truncated seasons were not So hits I think it's arguably maybe there his season just because a being shorter but also kind of lacked focus. I think that memo six eighteen just wasn't quite able to give them but maybe it all would have also snapped into focus by the end. Probably maybe but like you said argued Nancy's character just. I don't know what it what it what dances character. Dozen the show as much as I enjoy his kind of Weirdo performance on it. It doesn't it doesn't Gel with a lot of the other stuff that's happening so I think that had they had their full season maybe things would have felt better but as it is of focus for me that I was really sort of interested in watching but at the same time the idea of the good fight doing sort of a conspiracy thriller season complete with a really bad car chase in episode six. Just I like this show so much in its very much on my wavelength that I can't be too upset but I definitely think this is probably the weakest season season one But it's also. Their weakest season in dislike reach ruled. Post trump kind of worldview season base- hurted really tapping into season two. So that's kind of how I feel about. It is like this is the weakest version of what this show is now. But it's also the weakest version of the show. Overall I think is not barring like what they were trying to do season one. How how did you feel about it? I like it more than you do. Okay or maybe maybe an accurate thing is that when I think of this season I will think of the firm politics I will think of some of these different storylines and I will think of Six eighteen won't think about. I won't think about microdosing. Think about the Maya and her stupid family stuff and I also think about my my Like breaking bad POPs for life. Yeah like there's a lot of things I won't think about And I will think of Sarah deal talking about plants. Will you think are Jeffrey? Epstein's Dick now. I is brought out of there. Yeah that's okay. That's okay I will think about them into that tiny like like torture hole and being like. Don't go in there because you don't know who's hiding in this island you're going to die. Have you ever seen a horror movie? You'RE GONNA die so kept waiting from Orissa to say. How do you not in person? It's on Hulu now. I loved her the costuming for her. 'cause that Dowse was definitely given to her to give it an Indiana Jones. Feel as grace So Yeah No. I like this season more than you did. But he definitely was hampered by being truncated with those last three episodes. They very easily could have done. What could have tied things together? Quite a bit and In a in a particularly compelling way so we'll see what happens next season but for now what your TV There is a cancer. There's a correct answer. And it's a two way tie between legend. Spur the good fight from the correct answer. Yes is indeed legends of tomorrow. I like to good effect in La but for me. It's you know it's not. It's no legends of tomorrow. The one where we are trapped on TV episodes head citizen Kane references. What more do you Walk Palmer? But we all want on that bittersweet note We'll we'll take a break listen to a trailer and Quebec to talk about Mrs America. Women are like teabags. You don't know their strength until they get into hot long her. We need to talk about the threat of the Women's Liberation Movement. So let me be clear. I am not against women working outside the home their choice. What I am against is a small elitist group putting down homemakers. They want to create a sex neutral society. Which will mean that women are going to find themselves with two full time jobs? So you need to tell your senators you want them to vote no on this equal rights amendment so we can have a country that we are proud to leave our daughters. His house was no idea what it's like to have to work to survive. They're scared damaged family life. How much time do we get people to up to change? Our women do not want to sacrifice their present villages for seven phony equality with men. I think we should focus. Could you take notes rose? You probably have the best penmanship. Oh of course. Why should women? Except this picture of a half-life they truly believed that men and women is saying it's not enough for them to have the right to work. We want equal pay for equal work. You tell me that's liberation. Which is Liberation Liberations in the home? You are not really a housewife. You our full time. Lobbyists run around this country with your cause have raised six. Children can keep me going God if he did want me to. We need to truly equality. We are here to move history more. That was the trailer for Mrs America. Which is on fx on. Hulu and just finished up. It's nine episode season. This is a I. Don't know what they're calling it but it is a one and done. It should not continue on here. Because this is a season telling the story of the fight for the era to be ratified and just specific politics around the women's Lib Movement and the fight for the IRA and against the era very much centered on Phyllis schlafly but on many prominent women of the time And starring Cate Blanchett. Phyllis Schlafly as well as a bunch of other really talented famous people. So what did you think of Mrs America and you know? How do you feel like it handled? It's one it's like. The rough format is like each of these women. Get a spotlight episode While we are falling all of them through this time and do you feel like that sort of short story. Approach was the official or ended up kind of shedding shuttling villa larger narratives. So I think that like first couple episodes. I wasn't like super on board with it. Felt like a little cold not cold but I felt a little distant from it and I couldn't quite figure out why But as I watched like five episodes in a row up at last week. That'll away like this is really very very very good apart from like the firm's levels because hey turns out on the Cape Land Rose Byrne Dabo Elizabeth Banks Sarah Paulson Tracey. Ullman. Jeanne tripplehorn Margo Martindale and also. I really want to emphasize Melanie Linski. All really good actress turns out who who would have thought that you hire all these people but not only from acting perspective because the show's ridiculously while acted That on a on a narrative level. I think this is a really great look at the perils and problems of building coalitions. And how you do that in the ways in which you do that and the compromise you have to do that given your perspective on how that works and who you want to include in who isn't included and I think that watching all of that plays out Across all these episodes and then watching those also play out in these like short story focused episodes which I think is a really good way of describing a particularly like on Houston Is just like Gut Punch of a beautiful little weird episode? That has also really kinda thorny but it's really good anyway I think generally at all really really works well and I don't really feel a like focusing on anyone detracts from anything because their perspectives inform. Such how everything else works that. It just makes sense for me to do it like that and I think it also allows these actors to get moments to shine like you put you you get a little bit banks to play Gene ruckle house and Joel Markel House and then she just kind fades out and then she gets an episode. You're just like Oh this is why you thanks for this So all of this. I think works really really well. I ended up really really liking this and counter to a number of like reviews that came out at the beginning of this. Don't think that this is the schlafly apologised show. I don't think the show wants you to root for her. I don't think the show wants you to feel compelled by her. I think that the show very much wants you to see her as a victim especially by and especially with the reference that they make the end of the show to another fellow not another from but to another to a film as opposed to. This is not a ten hour movie. really positions her as a victim. That was both wanting to do very to kind of the same thing. That all the time issues railing against kind of wanted to do the same position but did it in a way. That doesn't work because she ends up stole trapped within the confines of the very thing that she wanted to champion. So this apologist thing. I think you can view Herve borderline as an anti hero but she stolen an antagonistic force. That is also victim She just wanted to be one almost but not not her specifically because she wanted to be Secretary of Defense God. Damnit yes she wanted to be one of the good ones. Yeah and the notion that this is This is promoting her is ridiculous to me and even from the earliest episodes. It just feels like it's very clear to me early on how the show feels about her. And and I think it's it's aware of her capabilities. It's aware of how canny and smart she was and how she was able to achieve everything that she did and it did not what did not back away from that. It did not sugarcoat that to pretend that that wasn't the case just because what she stood for was doing her best to make sure that women were not allowed not promised equal rights in the constitution. Yeah so like that. Her goal is not what most people I feel. Confident saying that most people watching it would agree with doesn't change the fact that she was incredibly smart and incredibly underestimated. He'll the notion that underdog story but the underdog guys and they are coming from a place of They're coming from a place of feeling maligned. And and underappreciated and not seen in part not invited into the coalition five coalition And so it's a cautionary tale the same time. So yes. There's there's a lot that this is doing My besides all the excellent performances Little Social Network. She doesn't get nearly enough to do but is terrific. Of course in her few was also by the nature of the politics on the fringe of it because of what she wants to do which the other thing like. It's very purposeful but yeah no performances flow Kennedy's great. Yeah and then. Antifreeze is really good. It's mid Andrea. Vado IS OF COURSE. Always enjoy seeing her up. She got a little more to do here then she the good fight to season little bit more. There's there's a bunch of really terrific performances throughout but for me the takeaway is I'm I got my eye on W Waller who is the creator and who's credits as a writer. Previously our commander in chief only episode Desperate Housewives Eli Stone Madman and halt and catch fire and something called American Odyssey which apparently need to look because if you say oh yeah one of the writers from Madman Eli Stone desperate hospice and holding catch fire is doing a show about the IRA. I say I will watch the so. Yeah I am. She's also a playwright but I'm very excited for whatever whenever comes next because I think it's a really smart way to handle this complicated and interesting material. I feel like getting most of the attention. But can we also give some attention to Rose Byrne because as Gloria Steinem? I mean I feel like a lot of people are under familiar with Phyllis Schlafly and hopefully that will change that. Thanks to this. But it Steinem is is the opposite issue where she is such a viewed figure that and we're very familiar with Rose Byrne but you put her in that hair glasses and I just. I felt like I was watching the fella watching Steinem and the The the again if what feels like for someone who's not an expert on this topic or this this period of history feels like I'm very clear eyed view of her and her strengths and weaknesses and of just the handling of the women's Lib Movement by a group of well-intentioned mostly straight white women. At the is is something for the well-intentioned straight white women in the audience. Like myself to really take in and really consider and I thought I thought it was important. Equalizing force if you only had some like Wechat Schlafly aunt with Sarah Paulson as her right hand. Woman and Melanie Linski as Rosemary. And you didn't have that. Same kind of charisma strength on the other side. It wouldn't work but it. It does because of these wonderful performances does in like the various ways in which they counterpoint. Like this idea of like coalition building in feeling excluded from coalitions is just ends up being really central and so how that all plays out across this and how that gets complicated within both groups whether it's like in. Phyllis Fred Brinda and mark which I think is a really solid episode that demonstrates very sort of issues of what we expect from one another let alone our partners and when our politics get in the way of her personal lives in a weird way How that interplay with everyone and then how that can shut us down I think it's really and I feel like I'm running in circles because like it's just really good. It's really good island the segments of the production elements. 'cause you're I thought that the obviously the costuming inherits very very draws your attention but I thought that I actually was really compelled and drafted at the score. I love the use of the Beethoven for the theme song. I was rocking out. Every time they came up. The title sequence is GonNa be on my list some of the best titles from this year in just the attention and the care to constructing in make Making feel of the period but not in the period where it's really well. Yeah and I get what you're saying about like that. Because they avoid a kind of desire to make everything look a little grungy And part of that's avoided by like not doing a lot of like location shooting in terms of like being outside It'd be very difficult So there's a lot of set work but like the house feels very much exactly what that how should look like given their status and everything So I think all of that works really well One of the things about the I think is worth mentioning and I can't take credit for this Emily Vanda wrote about this over a little bit and how they use our expectations of camera movement to drive home. Certain like thematic things so like a lot of the stuff with Schlafly group is staged really sort of like with single camera. Setups in terms of the camera does not move a lot. There's cuts as opposed to camera movement whereas with Steinem and the are a group. There's a lot of like fluid camera movement. There's fewer cuts because the cameras very mobile in those sequences and all of this like conveys this idea of momentum versus stagnancy. And that's something I didn't notice but then after I read Emily's piece like I was watching for it and I was just like Oh shit. They didn't put a lot of work into this in terms of like figuring out how to like even provided really subtle visual language to both of these groups that then when you get to something like Houston blows up in terms of how that gets deployed and to what ends. Yeah let's talk about Houston of it because I think I'm the person who likes the show who didn't really care for Houston. Rails loves it and I think some of it. I guess pulses pulses performances. Really good but that character did not work for me as well. Some of the others because this wasn't amalgam character who they kind of used to be everyone else and It's like they couldn't find someone who had broken from the. Stop your a movement by the end to be that person so they made up of to to raise these questions like. Oh but aren't you lying? Don't care about that And it feels kind of convenient and it's like well. We need to show her getting disillusioned. So let's do that in this way and I decide had trouble buying into it. It didn't feel as grounded as some of the others if it felt if the most like you are watching a show TV show of the various journeys you went on with the characters and I think your point about that is exactly right like because she's inauguration and because Alice's inauguration and because of what they want to like really propel forward so to very accent SOC Schlafly. His antagonistic vibe is really driven home by the end. I feel like is also really what they WANNA do like kind curb that no no. This is not an endorsement is why that's there but I do agree that this episode more than the other ones feels like you're watching a show but everybody else seems to have liked it and I know that you liked it too so but like end. It's okay though because I think like your criticisms that so really valid and I think that that episode is both really delightful and interesting but it is hamstrung by a number of that you've just completely laid out Which is why. It's such a thorny weird little episode in this show But I also feel like those those little issues probably make it a little better than these other episodes because those other episodes have that kind of Polish sense to them in this one feels a little more rag doll and I don't necessarily agree show Wyoming or ending up with a rag doll of an episode like this Because Alice herself is both a rag doll character because she stitched together from a number of people but she's also ends up being sort of the rag doll of like the movement On her side of things so that it works. But it's yeah I think it works but I really very much interesting where you're coming from with. I don't think it's like the the perfect episode for this show because there are a number very perfect kind of episodes for this show. But it's definitely I think the most interesting of the episodes just on a like this is a very different approach to how we're going to tell the story. I think that's part of the reason. Why a lot of people onto well? I do think that while it feels more like. I'm telling the story than a lot of the other scenes in approaches there are definitely people who went to the women's conference and took a pill that they thought they knew what it was and it wasn't and went on a trip and had electees experience to. That's definitely a thing that was happening at this time as well so while it's not like it happens at conferences and conventions to this day. Yeah yeah so like yeah that that is a valid story worth telling in this like more presumed sort of approach to how they're going to tell the story so I'm one of the things that I thought was really interesting watching. I guess my final thought as we as we wrap up here is the It was really compelling to see some of these different moments with treated with just enough hindsight so a moment. Like in the finale all of the the group the Committee version the commission. Thank you Resigning in solidarity with with Bala and in the. It's it's treated very much as hell. Esl moments but then as the viewer you know okay and also not because of this necessarily. But it didn't help with turn out you carters GONNA lose. Reelection Reagan's GonNa come in and things are going to get worse and I thought that there was good awareness of the difficulties around these different choices in while moments earlier in the season. Hit that a little too. I mentioned when we talk about the premier all these discussions of Elvis just a right right-wing radical from Illinois and. I'm just sitting here like Jimmy. Who's running congressional seat? And Yeah anyways I try to be that specific on politics most of the time but yeah anyway that felt like a bit of a more of a siren as opposed to a more balanced approach. I felt that as the show went on. They did a good job of of making putting you in the shoes. These characters so that you can understand what they're coming from why they're making the decisions they're making feel like the right decisions for that character while also giving that space so that you can appreciate the ways that this is either the right choice a difficult but correct choice or the wrong choice but understandable one. Yeah no absolutely I fully about. Did you have any other thoughts on on the season or you know moments are performances wanted to shout? We've mentioned any of the guys. Oh no but like Marsden's really really good sliders. Rain slattery's grade But cower those guys worth mentioning Adam Brody as Fagin Casto who basically just has our an episode more or less Is really good in that episode. I will say that like I was completely stunned and was not expecting bobby. Kinda VOLLEY TO SHOW UP. And then he shows up as the talk show host in that episode Why but also why not So watching him just do that was just really really fun I don't don't think I have really anything else on a performance level. This was very very good and I encourage you to check this out. Well because married to Oh is he? I didn't know that explains it. Also because he's very good but yeah but yeah. I didn't know that so yeah but I I would definitely recommend this to anyone who is up for. We'll looking for any of a number of things shows with really fun like period piece tropes and the as far as like stakes in like Kind of a slice of history shows excellent performers performance driven shows Or just Awards BAIT YOU WANNA be up in the words bay. It's it's a really. It's a really good show. I thought it it's Handled a nuanced topic pretty well and hopefully it'll be a cautionary tale against dismissing figures like schlafly in underestimating voices If not be resume you have in the bag. Supporting your coalition because your policies are theoretically better for them to not take those groups for granted. anyways it. You're right. It will be anyways on that jury note if you show notes seek posted this episode over the telephone dot. Org leaves comment unless no ease out of the weeks. Tv You can like our page on facebook and start up a conversation there. You can email US tillerson. Jimoh DOT COM. You can Find us in Apple. Podcast with an h Chaptered feed an MP three unsheltered feed. We appreciate ratings and reviews there and you can also find us over in stitcher and we'd also appreciate readings interviews there and of course. We're both on twitter. I am at the television knoll. You'RE AT NOEL OR K. Thanks for great discussion. Kate thank you and thank you for listening back next week with Tele verse.

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EPISODE #012: Part Two of Two! Tom and Manda shrink themselves down to microscopic size to investigate their favorite Little Creatures!

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EPISODE #012: Part Two of Two! Tom and Manda shrink themselves down to microscopic size to investigate their favorite Little Creatures!

"Podcast was filmed in front of a live studio audience. Coming to you from an undisclosed location. Thousands of fathoms beneath the sea, this is the deep dive podcast, all at one third of scope. Battle stations. Hello, diver is welcome to a brand new episode of the deep dive podcast, the only podcast that makes his own gravy. My name's Tom Feeney. Rated for wake shop movie magazine available at Amazon dot com. And with me as always is my fabulous co host Goliath. Which is a callback to our previous 'cause we have a series yet. The thing it's an awesome thing. It's actually MandA. In case you guys in its man. It's manda. Defunct. No, too much. All right. Last time on the deep dive podcast we delved into the wild world of giant monster. Movies, this episode, we're downsizing, bit with part, two little creatures, some creatures, some little creatures are wise like yoga. Some are hilarious like Orico from masters of the universe summer. Even scary like urva villa. Shays. Now, they say great things come in small packages, and they whoever they are, are absolutely right. So keep your eyes down protect your ankles, MandA. But have he got? I today I the bone to pick with that thought, though, which one will the that's great things come in small packages. Okay. Explain funds is candy bars. They're fun sized. Right. But that doesn't mean that they're great will eat a bunch of they are true. Anyways, I got a couple of picks start with my first one, which I absolutely love for. Yes. It's nineteen ninety eight small soldiers writing I love them as, oh my gosh. So it's directed by Joe Dante, which incidentally, he also directed gremlins. Oh man. So good has Kirsten Dunst. Who, of course, you know, from Spiderman, Gregory, Gregory Smith's from Zine on girl. The twenty first century and the patriots the patriots fantastic. Movie with Mel Gibson, yeah. Yeah, not the postman. Nope. The patriot patriot. Yeah. Not to be confused with our patriots who just one number six Super Bowl. Okay. Sorry, I thought we were no sports Reverend I'm sorry. I just can't help. It also has a huge star that Casio we're talking David cross. Phil hartmann. Jay more Kevin Dunn Dennis Leary, all of these people are in this movie. That makes me sad. When you mentioned Phil Hartmann, I know it is quite sad. Also, why weren't quite a few people on SNL? Yeah. Yeah. A lot of times we'll do that. Okay. Yeah. Anyways, basic plot, right? Story revolves around a kid named Allan who is Gregory Smith. His dad owns a toy shop. Right. And his dad thinks that what better opinion can I get for these new toys, that are coming out than my teenage son who still plays with action figure action figures toys, EM side? No, it's it was really quite nice to see a family owned toy shop, again, because you don't really see those anymore even things like FAO Schwarz and ham. As an England. It's all giant mega corporations, you know, like KB toys is gone, and all these other small game shops, and toyshops are just non existent right now as actually quit said thanks. He'll really? Thank you. Concer anyways, so Allen's father's K, a need your opinion on Allen. Discovers these new hot trend toys. Some of them are like animal esque humanoids in there called the Gordon's, and then there are soldiers called the commando elite. Well unbeknownst to Alan. There are implanted chip since these toys to make them better bigger faster. The actually come from technology, which is kin to missile technology while, I mean, we're talk in the nineties, but yes, something that probably shouldn't be in little kids toys. So what happens naturally these toys, come alive. Global tech defense system. In a secret lab, the world's most advanced military microprocessor has been created. But the Cold War is over Dobro tech to survive. New markets must be found. Now all that power has been placed into the brain of fighting machine. Unlike any known to man, they made it strong. They made it clever, they made it small. They made a mistake they develop a consciousness of their own and Warren sues between the Gorgan eits, which are the Amalie sort of humanoid people, and the commended elite who are very, very well-versed soldiers. So, basically the movie falls along the, the. Battles and the. Interference and the interactions between the organize and the commando elite and Alan who's in the middle has to save the world from these tiny small soldiers are joking hazard. Yeah. Yeah. I don't wanna spoil the ending, but it is, it's, it's so cute. And honestly, I think a lot of the, the funniness comes from the cast themselves. So I actually found out that the commando elite is voiced by almost all of the dirty dozen folks. Orioli. Yeah. Yeah. So like, Ernest borgnine and some other folks Bruce Dern is in there. Yeah. Yeah. I think he was only about eighty five at the time of this. But, you know, Bruce turn very yes. And then also on the opposite side of that the organize our voiced by the guys from spiral tarp spiraled up. So Harry Shearer. Yes, yes, he's a barren, by the way, did you know that? Yeah. A real baron. Yeah. He's also married to Jamie Lee Curtis. Yeah. She was in the Halloween e yes that one. That one that small movie yet a little. Yeah, it, it's a really funny movie, and it's actually kind of like creepy, because much like gremlins who Joe Dante also did direct it has this, like, small creatures, taking over the planet, and you kind of are not in control of anything, and you get a little bit fearful like how do they know how to use rockets, and like knives in all these like, human weapons? It's just crazy. So I am db gives it a six point one. Rotten tomatoes gives it a forty eight which I realize is not that high, I'm giving a seven point five. I think the stories hilarious. I love the characters love the Gorgan I'ts, they're so cute. And the star studded cast, yes, you can watch this currently right now on voodoo. If you have a subscription, you can also get it on Hulu in Amazon prime totally on board with that pick. I love I was a good movie wasn't edge a fun. Little flick. I not forgotten. It does it does. Especially where I think people think oh, it's just, you know, animatronic whatnot, but they enemies was really good. It was really good CG. Yeah. Absolutely fantastic. Good pick. Thanks now for me. I'm going as usual a little dark with my I am totally surprised by that. No, you're not. My pick is nine hundred eighty two basket case. Already sounds good. Doesn't it? Isn't that a green day song? No. Well, maybe this movie is a true labor of love. That is if you love zero budget exploitation, films like the ones that used to play on forty second street in New York City during the seventies and eighties. So before they Disney fide the whole thing and neutered it and replaced. Oh, sleaze with olive gardens and Eminem stores. The Eminem store though is cool, but who buys an ams, like at the store, don't you want, like a tangerine colored oh, the same anyway. Yeah. But even better, this film takes place in that very same seedy New York underbelly and serves as a really great snapshot of that time and place, which is sadly long-gone? Well, sadly, depending upon your opinion of New York in the seventies. Dump. So this nice clean cut young man named Wayne arrives in New York City, along with an odd looking wicker basket that he he carries everywhere with him. He's very, very protective of this wicker basket. There's something very special inside the basket. What is the secret Dwayne is hiding in the basket? What's in the basket Easter eggs? What's the best clothes? Within the best open it. Basket case opening our theater for you. This basket contains Wayne's. Deformed conjoined twin brother. Yes. And when I say, deform, I'm deformed, oh, basically, the twin brothers name is Bill looks kind of like a tumor with sharp teeth and claws. Mile belie. Oh, okay. Wait. And belie- are in New York, on a mission to find the doctors that cruelly separated them against their will, and take their revenge and they do nasty this film, has everything gore romance tumor brother puppets, tumor brothers, stop motion animation. It's a classic. It's funny and creepy and sleazy and just plain fun shot and sixteen millimeter film, up to thirty five so it is grainy as all get out. Right. It looks like it does look like something. And it did actually play in New York City at these offals, Lisi theaters. Like that would run twenty four seven with this sort of stuff. So it really was that kind of movie about that kind of place, and it has that, that kind of gritty feel to it, but it's a fun movie. It's got a lot of good jump scares and gory stuff. If you like that, you know, but basket cases are really, really fun movie. And it was directed by kind of a cult movie sort of master named Frank Hannon Lodder. He also gave the world films like Franken Khokar. Yes, it's what you think guy guys, you know, takes hookers. Cut them up and puts together a, a one entire Hooker from them and reanimated. Yeah, yeah. It's what you think it's a comedy and another pill brain damage, which is also kind of like about a parasite that attachments somebody and the parasite was like kind of like a New York, kind of monster like accent. It's funny. Yeah. Take my work. So basket case gets a six point. Two out of ten a while on internet movie database with over fourteen thousand reviews I am surprised. Yes, I'm not because I love it and a seventy four percent on rotten tomatoes. I know I know you wouldn't think, but it's just sort of that kind of perfect movie of, of weirdness and grossness but it doesn't take it so seriously. So you have a good time watching it, right? It's a valuable on Amazon prime video with a subscription and it's also available on the harsh streaming app. Shudder. Okay. Yeah. At it is also. Spun to sequels. You've got basket case, too, and that's the case three the progeny. Yeah, they go was successful enough to actually have to sequels. Not that that's really a high watermark for quality and fell. Right. But enough people on and rented videos to warrant crappies equals. There you go. Shark NATO case in point, right? Pick number one basket case. Okay. Well, okay. All right. Follow that I am going to follow it. The best way, I know how with a family friendly flick. A triple triple f another triple last week. Yeah. Yeah. I think that really good at it finding these because I'm drawing back from my memory as a very solid and put together kind appreciate youth. Yeah. Anyways, my pick, right. Comes from nineteen Ninety-two and it's called. Fern gully, the last rainforest you're going going. Wow. Say on terribly surprised. Oh man. So fern gully directed by Bill Corriere, who he hasn't really got so many other directory oil titles, under his name. But he worked on Tron and the green mile. Yeah. With both of which, and we're talking original Tron similar. Yeah. You know, the green mile that movie it messed me up for a couple years. It was anyways moving on. It has actors such as Christian Slater in it, and Robin Williams and offend tastic amazing to curry. Yes. And let's mention by the way that this was animated. Yes, it is. And that Tim curry was the best thing about the rocky horror picture show, which was terrible. Yeah, you hate you got on that episode so much. I was happy. Yes, it is animated. And I think one of its perks to is it doesn't belong to the Disney film or the Pixar film. It's actually a Twentieth Century, Fox film. That's really, you know, especially that during that time that was an odd odd thing because Disney had just started doing its comeback, right? If the little mermaid, yes, Lion King. Exactly. So to have a another company, make a film, like fern gully was a big risk. Yeah. Absolutely. I think I've read the producers definitely credit success to, to the little mermaid for bringing back that interest interested in a Mason. But basically quick break down. If you don't know it's interim forced as the title, suggest the last the last rainforest, which incidentally, is in Australia. Yes, in, in the rainforest lives, obviously a large number of creatures. But it specifically fairies in fairies are the caretakers of the forest, you know, the heal the trees, they heal the plants. They take care of each other, and the other animals, and they're just really cool little creatures, Virgil very chill. And as with everything sort of modern day, incomes, this logging company that are tearing down the trees, exactly like the brawny men, you know, they're coming in chopping down the trees, paper towels exactly where in your flannels. But anyways, so this little fairy named Krista, she's really sad. Of course. I mean she's seeing her home destroyed. So she sees one of these loggers his name is. And she unknowingly helps him shrink down to a fairy size. Yeah he's known as her in. He's obviously freaked out in so they get together and they team up. And essentially, they have to save the rainforest from not only the corporations, the loggers the people were chopping down trees, but the very, very evil hexagon. Admits why? And. You not. Heck's. That's like a if you wanted to curse at your parents in, like really angry at them. But then they wouldn't punish you not really curse. You'd be like Hex is on. Combination shampoo conditioner. X's. It'll help your dandruff. No heck's is takes the form of a very thick tar like black substance. Who is boys by the fantastic, Tim curry once again, visiting about regular Victor. We've just lost ten listeners. So he represents pollution, of course. Right. So he's being spewed out of the, the machines that are chopping down trees, and he's the main villain. And so their objection is to or the genitive is to take over the forced again and usher him out, so I won't necessarily ruin it. But you can of course, being that it's a kid film, sort of understand where the plot goes. I think what you can really grab from is that it's certainly an eco awareness film, especially for its time. It's probably a brilliant scheme to get, you know, young kids involved in the rainforest movement, that young, especially with an animation film, but the has some of the best music to that I've ever heard an enemy film. It's actually got Alyssa vestry as the music producer pretty amazing. Yes. And he's pretty famous for a lot of Disney movies and a lot of things like that. But yeah, it's, it's, it's a cute movie. It's a fantastic movie. I love the. Cast. I mean, Tim curry is just so cool, as heck says, I can't stress that enough in for a nineteen ninety film, it actually stands up, pretty well in modern day, I am db gives it a six point five metacritic gives it a sixty seven. I'm giving it a nine point five. Yeah, it's a pretty high up there broke the almost broke it. It's, it's definitely not as high as vicar dibley, because, you know, how a love my English TV show, but this here, it's really funny. It's cute a love this story behind it. I love all the, the not so Disney esque interaction between the characters. So it's not like you almost feel like this is a little bit more of an adult animation movie and the cast they the voice cast was amazing. But yeah, it's like producers have said that they wanted to be deliberate in the message. They gave two young kids. You know, protect the rainforest. You know, corporations are taking over these these lands, which are so desperately needed. But then you want wanna be too preachy, which is why I think they chose to make an animated film with Robin Williams in it because Robin Williams, and he was, of course, a comedic genius. He made everything way. More funny, gene. Unilab. Yes, he was a bat in this one. Oh, that's right. Yes. Member. He had like a weird thing head. Yeah. Yeah, man. Good times. Yeah. Or the reinforce going to be okay. Well, according to the end of this film, I will be, but in real life, no stop. Eating palm oil, right? Because that's killing the forest there. It's killing the Tigers, livelihood, everybody gallon. Yeah. It's just so bad for unionize. Yeah. Anyways. I might was gonna be happy, but I think I realise in hindsight now that it wasn't so happy. Well, that's actually good because that brings us. That's a good segue to my next. Was going gonna bring you wake down. Anyway. I'm so surprised by that. So I mean, if you thought my previous pig was gross wasn't well, gross or weird enough. I give you the brood, okay. You are about to journey the on the on terror, you know, major motion pictures, so Flint. Will devastate you totally. They would ultimate experience in, in a way you. Peru graded. This is a nineteen Seventy-nine release from one of the greatest hard directors of all time, David Kronenbourg, he gave us the Jeff Goldblum remake of the fly as well as other great films. Like scanners. Video Drome the dead zone and history of violence with you'll Mortenson. I'll man that is such a good movie hit is move, so his early work, though. Cronenberg's early work dealt with this concept of body horror, which is essentially the terror felt when your physical self somehow transformed or distorted against your will by disease or outside force gross. It's a primal, fear that, that humans have we all worry about disease or figure meant and Cronenburg's films expertly trap, a tap into those fears. So the brood combines body horror with the sort of new age movement of the seventies, but people were trying to find themselves. They were experimenting with. Different forms of emotional therapy. A lot of them were really kind of weird and sort of, you know, hippy dippy and kind of strange. There was primal scream therapy, which taught you to sort of scream out your emotions. There's transitional medication became popular than there were certain cult-like organizations one. There's one called asked that was the sort of just sort of motion Lee break you down to try to get to the core of who you are. And try to, you know that you would just be complete like sort of mess, and try to build yourself. Back up. I thought most people have just did cocaine and went to dance clubs. This was after that. Oh, okay. This is why they had to do that. So because he's under things in work. So it was trying to basically, there's all these weird ways to try to, you know, have you live up to your real potential. Find out your true self all that kind of junk, because we on none of that the brood however introduces us to. Another bizarre form of therapy. So it takes place mostly in the what's called the Soma free institute of psycho, plasma ques. What's that? Yes. This is a bizarre form of therapy, where patients learn how to manifest, their emotional problems physically in the form of sores scabs or other lesions on your skin. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. So they learn how to just take these negative emotions and just physically manifest them on their bodies it, it's, it's very, very creepy. Let me stress do get acne. See that. Same kind of thing, sort of, I would, you know, maybe maybe you know that works? So one of the patients at this institute is a woman named Nola, and she's been isolated at the institute because of her many emotional issues, including going through a nasty custody battle with her husband over their young daughter Nola. However, doesn't just manifest her emotional distress as the near skin disease, or sores, she gives birth to horribly deformed children, which are the brood, these rage babies feed off their mothers anger and going to killing rampage. And there's lots of graphic shots of her, like giving birth to these rage babies that are kind of really weird looking into formed and gross. And basically, they're like children, but their killer deformed children. Yeah. You. Yeah. So not a triple f no film. And so the, the basic premise, though is pretty sound which is that if you do not deal with your negative emotions in a healthy way. They will erupt in other maybe destructive ways. Okay. And there are no shortcuts when it comes to dealing with them. It's a much deeper movie than it seems on the surface when I talk about it. But if you could get through the more gruesome elements, there's a lot to unpack. It really has a lot to say about how people deal with stress, how people deal with anger, and the ways that, that can manifest themselves. If you push it down to far sure, yeah, analyze it. It's not for the fate of heart at all, and or stomach, by the way, but it's a highly recommend. It's very, very interesting. It's a low budget film, but it's shot very well. It was made in Canada. It's, it's really really very interesting kind of movie. But you have to be, you know, you have to know what you're getting into any. Now the brood has a rating of six point nine. Wow. On the internet movie database and seventy nine percent on rotten tomatoes color me shocked. Yeah. Yeah. But it is really good. And it's not just like good, campy good or silly good. It's good. It's available to rent for three dollars and ninety nine cents on Google play. I tunes Amazon prime video and YouTube. And I also do have a few a few other mentions honorable mentions. I've sure so you can't go wrong with critters. Two three and four. This four of them. There's four of them, then there's Guli one two and Guli three go to college and not making that up, disregard Guli four. It does not preserve the class and dignity of the other films just saying. All right. Yeah, that's important. And last, but least. The nineteen eighty-seven classic munchies. He's of course, all gremlins rip off somehow lasted a lot longer than the gremlins franchise. It self which is sad. It is sad, terrible movies. You gotta wonder you know all these weird spinoffs manage to, you know, survive for decades. I have no idea how or why, but they're there and those movies, my, my honorable mentions are all available to rent on most streaming services. What do you think? I think I forgot to tell people they can watch fern gully on YouTube, Amazon itunes and Google play. For three ninety nine I'm really sorry about that. Well, no. You just did. Yeah. See that. I just did regained. You're so much like we are trying to redeem the majestic rainforest if you'd like to don't. I Don I. Okay. It's okay. All right. That was good fun. Yeah. Joy that. Thank you. Everyone who stuck with us for this two part series? Maybe we'll do it again. Exactly. Exactly on behalf of MandA goal-line on and myself Tomasson, but doesn't work that does it for another streaming pile of what we call the deep dive podcast. Thanks to everyone who manage to make it through this episode, especially those of you unable to reach the pause button. Stay tuned for new episode of teabag in the podcast voted to the tea drinking connoisseur. Whether it's loose teas instant teas bagged teas or Mr. tease, everyone loves teabag. Taking out today is our special friend thin. 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Do The Right Thing With Sean Fennessey and Wesley Morris

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Do The Right Thing With Sean Fennessey and Wesley Morris

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I will also say everybody watching this thing and listening. You set me the fuck up. How so because what you said was the okay. I understand what you mean now but i didn't know what you meant wisely. I'm so happy to be with you. My name is shawn fantasy editor in chief of the ringer. We're talking about do the right thing. Yes <music> spike. Lee's nineteen eighty nine masterwork. Yes signature film nassar work signature film <hes> both something for rusted discuss with both <hes>. I'm gonna do a couple of data points and then we got it. We're going to dive right into the conversation. This movie was released by universal pictures which isn't a fascinating thing unto itself it premiered at cannes may nineteenth nineteen eighty nine it had a budget of six million dollars and thirty seven million dollars at the box office on rotten tomatoes which does not matter. It has a ninety three percent score my guy roger ebert. I'm gonna read something a little bit longer than i normally would read this star review. I presume i have been given only a few filmgoing experiences in my life to equal the first time i saw do the right thing. Most movies remain up there on the screen only a few penetrate treat your soul in may of nineteen thousand nine. I walked out of the screening at the canned film festival with tears in my eyes spike. Lee had done an almost impossible thing he'd made a movie about race in america that empathized empathized with all the participants he didn't draw lines or take sides but simply looked with sadness at one racial flashpoint that stood for many others so the chill. Yes that is a meaningful way to describe it. This is that is film criticism. Everybody obviously ebert at the top of his game. When given something meaningful info to chew on. I gotta say i've been really looking forward to talking to you about this movie. I don't think i've ever had a conversation about this movie. Nope it's the thirty year anniversary. Obviously there's a a lot of obvious things you know. It was not nominated for best picture quite famously. This is of course the year that driving miss daisy won best pictures famously like at the time not non. Yes picture is a big talking point. It was a huge talking. Point of the critical community in fact is one of the all time i don't know <hes> debated incidents in film criticism history of its not being nominated for best. Just just the film the reaction to the reception so we'll get get into that a little bit in this conversation <hes> it did get to oscar nominations. It got a best original screenplay nomination for spike and a best supporting actor nomination for danny aiello. The tagline of this movie is it's the hottest day of the summer. You can do something you can do. Nothing or you can do the right thing. What's your relationship to do the right thing right now. When did you see it body. You'll about thirty years later. I see it. I saw it when it was out. You know what i remember about the thing this is a roundabout owned about way of telling you what my priorities might have been as a. How would i thirteen year old. That was is the weekend that weekend. At bernie's we can look that up but i'm almost a hundred percent sure great double feature that that weakened bernie's open the same weekend or maybe it was either the weekend before the weekend after and i can remember being much more fascinated was two weeks before okay. I can remember being much more fascinated by weekend at bernie's or seeing weekend at bernie's and i was about to also the controversy i grew up in philadelphia and the controversy about that movie had made made his way to philadelphia and it was like you were risking your life if you wet and at that point was seeing movies by myself like i wasn't going going. I didn't go see movies with my friends with my mom and my sister every once in a while and my dad when he would take us with his family but for the most part i would say i watched most of the movies i saw in a movie theater alone. Are you know i didn't go with anybody or about the people people in the theater. I have to be honest. I what i remember about do. They're watching it. I remember to other viewing experience. France is not the theatrical one one was watching it in nineteen ninety with now. I went also to make clear. I read every single thing written about that movie. Did i could get my hands. That's what i was gonna ask you. Were you aware of a kind of reaction community to movies or you're just a kid that site everything well. It was so controversial that like my mom watched like three hours of news. When i was a kid right so she she'd watch the five o'clock news the five thirty news the six o'clock news the world news tonight so that's what that's only seven. That's only two hours news but that's a lot of news. <hes> <hes> and i grew up in philadelphia. We have by the way philadelphia w._p._i. Best local news in the country like we they don't redo anything they ninety minutes of new news and it's just great anyway. I remember it being being like a news story and at some point i think the news stories of it so overwhelmed me the i don't really it sort of has supplanted the memory of like the fear of going to see the theater. I see it at the movie theater. I think it was at the sam eric either the chest. It's not either so i know i saw it on chestnut street. I can't remember which theater it was but i saw in downtown center center city philadelphia on but i remember watching watching it in social studies class with mr katembo who showed us movies no kidding yeah and i can remember provided movie to show in in re in public school as a private school <hes> complicated private schools okay but not a public school <hes> and yeah and trusted us. I mean all my classmates were. We were mostly black. There are a couple of white kids and we talked about it and we i remember being really confused by in like electrified in a in a confused way by the ending right where the ending classics fashion they're actually three ending the the the the very last shot not the the whole actually all of the endings are are tough. <hes> the idea idea that mookie just wants to get paid and sows being like you burned down my pizzeria pay. You built this place with my pair fucking brains you you want your money here. Take your fucking money and he's so in these bills mookie and then mckee picks up the money and they proceed to have a like talk about the weather kind of conversation and it's weird that was so confusing to me and that's that was forgotten in the way way that the movie was written about because the movie the way the critics and columnists at the time wrote about the movie was as if there was a a black acne was killed by police that man was dragged off mookie throws the trash can through the window and the riot ensues they burn the place down on and then you would imagine that it just cut to black and then the movie was oh yeah you know the way the apl talking about the way that he was in sight feeling it didn't talk about how there was this kind of elegiac the data and then kind of to code and then there's the you know the very famous text on the screen from martin luther king martin luther king junior malcolm x. in the kind of contrast trust between those two ideas other thing that confused me. I never liked the idea that those two men they aren't even pitted against people the the read on on that moment was that spike lee it told you everything about who was writing about our movies at that time because people were assuming that spike lee was endorsing malcolm x. and not martin luther king the the whole. They missed the whole point of the movie. Which is it's a complete dialectic rate there is there is a one hand and there's another hand and he is he never ever loses sight of that at at any moment in this movie it is almost a perfect philosophical fickle text and that way i completely agree. I think that to write about that in that way to even understand the movie in that way and i think a lot of people didn't understand the movie at the time even though it was <unk> as you say a new story every day was that it requires nuance is a new is meant to be purposely meant to hold two thoughts at the same time and if you can't get on board with that then you can't. I don't know we should probably just say maybe if you're listening to this and you haven't seen do the right thing. Please run out and go see do the right thing. Stop one of the most important movies of the last forty years you. It's all in one day in bed. Stuy at largely takes place in the apartments of the denizens on the street on one based on one st and in one pizzeria and all of the goings on there all of the figures there. It's a major ensemble cast a features. The discovery of some of the best character actors still working uh-huh. It's one of the most beautifully shot films i've ever seen ernest dickerson. Oh yeah astonishing use of color communicating weather in a way hey there's more to do sometimes and just like this is use of camera angles to establish character dutch angles out the ass movie tilting the camera at all times but only when it matters right like when you have to be on easy as it isn't a trick it is it is an actual literary. It's a cinematic device right no question. Here's here's how the movie is described on wikipedia. Here's the synopsis. Tell me how you feel about the way that this position. I'm still adjusting to whatever alf salvator self reggiani played by danny. Aiello is the italian owner of a pizzeria in brooklyn. A neighborhood local bugging out giancarlo esposito becomes upset when he sees that the pizzerias wall of fame exhibits only italian actors bugging out. I believe a pizzeria in a black neighborhood showcase black actors but sell disagrees. The wall becomes a symbol of racism and hate to bug out to other people in the neighborhood and tensions rise. I don't really think that that's what this movie is about. Not is an incident in the movie but is that what do the right thing is about because that doesn't even feature the word mukhi yes spike. Lee's character but sean if you think about it. That is the movie right lake. There's a version asian. There's a bad version of this movie. That is that rate. The it is not so much at the synopsis is inaccurate. It's just that when you boil it down own to what the movie is actually about. It's that it is the it is the the thing that that having that pizzeria in that neighborhood comes to mean to the people who've always lived in it and the idea that that that sal and his two sons pino and in veto are they from benson hurst yes there and which is another part of brooklyn <hes> primarily italian yes. Although i don't know is it still i think thinks oh okay maybe polish as well and the idea that these guys will come from benson her switch. You know not exactly a welcoming place <music> for for black people <hes> at the time and which i think is explored in jungle fever couple years later. Oh yeah here's the part yet story yes and and you know that's an ops is now it happened in the movie it omits all of the color and flavor and seasoning and texture and and an wonder in sound and all the things that make the atmosphere everything that makes the movie great is not in that synopsis but the actual schule politics of the movie are are are like encapsulated in this one relationship and it really is a movie about capitalism in so many ways and it really is a movie about ownership and disenfranchisement and it really is a movie. That's about a thing that if you live in a major american city or even like like a less than major american city like like a mid sized american city. This is a small town if you if i'm thinking right like this is a thing that you are actively being forced to deal with which which is like what foothold in my black neighborhood do i actually have and who is given one just by virtue of who they are and that i mean this movie is basically that's what the movie's about it could have been even more explicitly about about that and so it's funny that like that is like a needle in a haystack explanation of this movie to me but it's a it's a gold needle. If you think about it so i i think a lot of times on this show. We're looking to locate movies that are comforting. Re watchable means. We're going to return to something because it makes us feel good so you and i and a couple of other folks had a conversation about beverly hills cop recently now there is a lot to unpack about beverly hills cop and there is probably some social import that you can glean from it but a lot of it is basically extra textual. You have to work a little bit harder to say this was important because a lot a lot of the movies we do on the show or like wedding crashers to watch the movie wedding crashers and to save the lines and the talk about whether something was funnier montage. Yes it's it's going to <hes>. This movie is different from that. Now i will say as i watched it again this week. I've probably seen it ten or fifteen times. It was kind of comforting. It was fun. There's a lot of fun to be had in this movie but it is also <hes> not only is it important but it's working hard to be important and it's working hard to disrupt your feeling of ease and comfort and at the risk of exposing myself a little bit i was just in tears watching the end of the movie again which is a feeling i've had watching it before which is just an irreconcilable feeling that you have was it. The was it really rahim's death. I think he lost austin much every thing yes as soon as as soon as he is grabbed the movie obviously goes into a new state of panic and there's no way to clarify clarify. There's to fix it. Even if you know what's coming there's no way to fix it and it feels like a problem and it's not a solvable problem in the country. Obviously it's not a solvable problem album in the movie. No one for movie called do the right thing. I think a lot of people felt like why didn't anybody do the right thing now. There are a lot of other people who are like will mookie does do the right thing and that's part of a part of this conversation right right right. I am a proponent of nobody does the right thing right. There's no that neighborhood. I mean it is it is it was shot any real part of bed stuy bedford stuyvesant neighborhood in brooklyn <hes> and it was shot in a real block and everything like is still thinking oh he had a big big party <hes> at that location and i didn't go but i've thought about what it would mean to look. I was near there was i. I don't know it doesn't matter what i was doing. I i'd made an effort and didn't wind up doing what i was thinking about. Was what would that neighborhood look like right now. After like thirty years after that incident what is in the spot where cells was do they is it has been memorialized immune immune spike lee himself. I think complicated that question because he made a movie called red hook summer ray okay six or seven years ago in which the character appears uh-huh and he's delivering pizza for pizzeria called cells that has ostensibly relocated to red hook so maybe bed stuy has changed a little bit but that the idea that we can't necessarily get away from who we really are and what we're about and who were close to and how we choose where we grow up and how that influences who we dr is he's not. He hasn't resolved that either. You know what i mean. He kind of went out of his way to say that number was not a sequel to do the right thing but that was not oughta that was a choice with purpose shirt is still here mookie still doing this work. Brooklyn is brooklyn brooklyn's not going to change and no that's like that feels like a central to the to the idea that he's getting after and the under the sort of underlying thing about that what that that incident in that neighborhood on that day comes down to is like it isn't just about brooklyn. It's like that is that is an american. It is an american problem and it still is and the great thing about the movie is that it feels. I don't know if you feel this way but it just feels timeless to me it. I mean there are things about it that are clearly nine hundred eighty nine things but that that story and and the way it's delivered does is timeless and the reason that you can keep watching it is because in a weird way you wanna see you wanna. There's two things for me. At least i wanna see how he did it like. I still don't know how we did it. I don't it is it is a magical event this movie <hes> in a magical achievement but the other thing is i watch it because i feel like you know it's so again. It's like a perfect work of philosophy and you were turned to understand something about about us assist people and like america as a society in new york as specific place within that society and what the in what about us is so has such a capacity for love and contempt. I mean even that is even built into the movie movie right like the first time you see radio raheem you know he he's excited to show mookie his new his new like knuckle. Go really big story of love and hate. I mean the love and hate rings but what are those rings. Would the actual name brass knuckles. Are they really not that. I mean that's not the mistake either. Be mistaken for the well right now wants to do dead in handcuffs or whatever he had a pair of brass knuckles love and hate that feels purposeful to that i felt provoked and you know obviously all the so much of the text of the movies inspired by everything that happened in howard beach in new york a few years earlier <hes> <hes> the death of a graffiti artist living in new york this. I'm going to have to read lake. There's a whole link starting in nineteen eighty-four. There's eleanor bumpers were shot and killed by police. Please michael griffith arthur miller seventy eight edmund perry and eighty-five yvonne small wooden eighty seven michael stuart and eighty three this was the same in summer that the central park five were arrested for not reaping woman yup that poor woman <hes> this is a it's a zeitgeist film in the truest sense of the word capturing of feeling that was happening in the city of frustration fear and anxiety a rage. That's was the result of old series of horrible things that happen to real people and that's risky and hard to do i think you did. I say yusef hawkins you do not <hes> hopkins also is that year he just not. It's not ah thing jungle fever dedicated to usa falcons who also i think dies navy nine right and most of those people the film's dedicated to that you just listed right and do the right thing and you know we complicates. It is and we'll get to the category soon. I promise is the way that the movie was positioned by white media. I mean the david denby review and new york magazine more than any other and spike has cited this over and over again is one of the worst pieces of film criticism that i've ever read. It's like a very poorly considered misread of a movie in recent times. I'll read very briefly friday in the library. I remember the day that i read that june. Twenty-sixth nineteen eighty-nine here's what he writes the explosion at the end of the movie and outburst intimate and scale truly frightening should divide the audience leaving some movie goers angry and vengeful others sorrowful and chastened divided himself. Lee may even be foolish to dream alternately of increasing black militants and of calming it but of spike lee is as a commercial opportunist. He's also playing with dynamite in urban playground. The response to the movie could get away from him. He continues if an artist has made his choices and settled jonah coherent point of view. He shouldn't be held responsible. I believe if parts of his audience misunderstand him. He should be free to be quote dangerous but lee hasn't worked coherently. The end of this movie is a shambles and if some audience's go wild he's partly responsible. Li wants to rouse people to quote wake them up but to do what those matching quotations for malcolm x and martin luther king junior are little oh more than a confession of artistic and moral impotence. Oh my guess is that spike thinks that violence solves nothing but he'd like to be counted in the black community as an angry man a a man ready despite his success to smash things the end of the movie is an open embrace futility what it is an open and brazil is a futility right like that. The movie is going to be like there's some like maybe a stopped clock at nist to this racer <hes> <hes> my favorite spike lee critique. Whenever anybody has anything constructive quote constructive to say about specifically they always include his success. They always include the idea that he like it. Either a complaint about all the money that he's made and at this point he's really made this film but in the critiques of him as a as a as a sort of cultural figure for a lot of his early success when he was a superstar are artists or abou- money and how much money he was making and we should win. Let's let's talk about that. Though because his his he was a famous person in part because of mars blackmon in part because of michael jordan that he did so he was he's not the same as <hes> <hes> he's not the same as ernest dickerson who is his dp here who went on to be a filmmaker who does not have a huge public profile so that is also being factored into all criticism of him rate but it it's also typically usually when it comes up a relevant to the matter at hand like his biz lake changing our relationship to to basketball to tennis shoes. Sneakers has nothing to do with this weather better. Better blues is a good movie but this is the thing that comes up a lot when they write about with movies or good or not. Maybe you should spend less time making seen commercials with michael jordan person and better more time writing screenplays make sense yeah i mean i in addenbrooke's and there was a jack kroll piece in newsweek and there was also a joke line. Joe klein wine is the stanley crouch to i. I did not read stanley. Crouch stanley crouch was another obscenely crouches which is one of the few black people who who wrote about this movie and wrote scathingly about <hes> what it didn't didn't should do armond white was. I think another person who didn't like this movie. I can't remember now think armond. White is another person who denied either. I think i i could be wrong about that. The the way that klein positioned it was in opposition to david dinkins mayoral campaign. Yes does this this this. This is gonna be a problem for dinkins which is obviously really kind of. The opposite of what spike was trying to get out of the these criticisms are literally are not even a movie at this point right they are watching and this is sort of thing that i just drives me crazy about the the blake the degree to which black people black artists have had to fight to be taken seriously earliest artists to have ideas that aren't telling you white person how to be a good weight and are acknowledging that the shit is complicated complicated and part of the complexity is that it can't be resolved because the work that we need to do to resolve a nobody is really willing to do and i don't think that the tragedy in a weird way of this movie is a tragedy of of having nobody be able to offer a history lesson rain. There's something about smiley being the representative of both sides of this <hes> of both sides of the equation between violence and non on violence. He's walking into the movie holding a malcolm x. postcard on the one hand and a martin luther king junior postcard. They're on the same card photo of them together. Doesn't he rip them at some point. Put smart magic marker around ram and draws basquiat. That's exactly right and and the idea that you have this person the person who's representing the government there in the same forget what movie your people watching obviously the point so so they exist together to exist so in again this is just a perfectly made movie from top to bottom the rep the person holding this photo. Oh is what in in classic theater you call the village idiot and this is the sort of disabled you know mentally challenged man played by the the excellent roger gregory smith and this sort of the inability to articulate his smileys inability ready to articulate with anybody's with anybody's patients anyway what is happening in this photo and to be able to talk to people about mccolm in martin working together. There's no the one person equipped to to to give this history lesson. Nobody has the patience to listen to and and at the risk of getting ahead of ourselves that character was not in the original script and the only reason that smiley's in the movie and he is a key figure in the movie. He's the living metaphor of the movie is because roger smith who knew spike and lived on the round the corner in bed stuy came to the set every day and begged and begged and begged and back in the movie and he created the character spike with the character in the movie so it's a sign that while spike is brilliant and while he's one of the foremost movie directors of his time time sometimes luck and relationships as part of this too. If you don't have smiley in the movie doesn't it doesn't make it doesn't work as well now so it's just a fascinating anything any other general observations you wanna make movie for two categories <hes> i just. I think it's perfect. I think it is it is just just when people ask me. I get asked all the time what my favorite movie is. <hes> lake there is really not there. There's almost a day that does not go by number. One steel magnolias number two drastic world gerasimov really hurt. You say you'll make no is a great way. I would not not say steel magnolias. I usually say this really it is it is in my mind to in my mind. It is actually very lazy. He choice requires a zero thought and for a while. I was reluctant to say because it seat leg. Oh the black film the fact the prison news a black film in critic and has also black things that do the right thing is but now dip. It's perfect is nothing to do. I mean it may have something to do with my. I being black. I mean i get emotional by so much of this movie including his blackness like it it is it is so vividly and specifically <music> civically black in so many ways but also vividly in specifically italian and very open to what it would mean gene to live in a community with with like the korean data for instance and the the moment that that happens with them with with the with the husband husband and wife who owned that podesta anyway. I just think it's a perfect movie. It's so easy it gives me such pleasure to be able to have this movie in my back pocket to be like here it is. I don't didn't have to like really search. My brain like pick a bong jun ho movie because it sounds it sounds i mean i could pick one or an peach upon where ethical movie because it sounds like the thing that you said boonmee people would say you're pretentious but if you say to the right thing people say oh. He's a black critic so you're kind of damned if you don't you know what if that if i tell you you do the right thing and that's what you say. I'm like well then. You really need to see this movie because this is the movie for you sir them. We had a conversation on this show about about broadcast news a few months ago. I know ray movie perfect perfect movie so the conversation was is that the best movie the eighties. This is a movie that is frequently in that conversation to best s. movie. The eighty s tough american movie of eighties. Yes probably easier to narrow that down. You know there's a pop answer to that. There's like die hard is it is it i you wouldn't put him on top. I mean i lived iron but this movie is frequently cited as harassing and the the the deck is book ended. It's raging bull nineteen eighty do the right thing. Nineteen eighty-nine nine new york runs the movie industry. You know i don't an uncle original. I there are some listen. There's some amazing things but moscow sese movie from the eighties has after hours kim comedy and after hours or my twos we're gonna have to work on building those theory watchable wanna go to the categories but first a message from our sponsor. The new netflix original all series the dark crystal age of resistance returns to the world of thraw with an all new adventure based on the dark crystal. 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I one obviously usually has to be opening sequence whereas you press dancing. You can imagine young sean fantasy hearing public enemy watching rosie do her are you about to do the thing. A hold on is like double dutch. Now you gotta get ready. I will not be joining you. Ah i mean she was she was choreographing. The fly girls and you can see i mean you can see it entire like five five years of dance just in that we was the other one. Oh my gosh anyway story oriented. That spike met rosie club in new york. This is can i just pause for one second. How many filmmakers are casting their movies from being out in the world. Just everything in this movie's accident really yes rate like he. It was out minding. His business and rosie tells his great story about how they're having this conversation club. The music is blasting whatever wednesday night and brooklyn and he says the her. She says he says you want to be in my movie and she says i'm not an actress and he says yes you are. That's rarely thing i mean. That's this is going to be harder to do. This is the real you know who he was who she she was choreographing for. At that time who was in the fly girls jennifer lopez right center for lopez wasn't she was just jenny from the block he he was jenny from the block. She remained steady from the block. Okay that's the that's the first one why jennifer lopez was not even a remote. She hadn't even made money train. She wasn't even near money tree yeah. That's what i'm saying. She was nothing she was just a dancer. She was not a famous person. You're saying when she was a fly girl. Yes i'm saying rosie was working jaylo. Yes yes second that can seen bugging out in the wall fame what about war and ass out right a sow why why he want brothers. You're listening to what you want. You can put your brothers and uncles and nieces and nephews you step father stepmother goofy wants. This is my american tie complicated scene. We don't totally a we're not necessarily surly on bugging outside here. I think famously spike has always said about that scene where he's having the dp with sal about why they're more black people on the wall spike is always said there were good points on both sides still had a point. That's his yana. Put some stuff up on the wall. Go ahead bugging outs. Point is the only people who uh who eat here a black people to not respect black people and put them on the wall is is is a failure on your part. Will you know what's interesting about that. Conversation is it's kind of internet conversation rate. It is a it is a pro internet conversation and it. It isn't so much that bugging out is not right but there's no subtlety in the critique of there's no there's no compromise yes how they they meet out on this. How many how many brothers should go up on the wall bugging out and who decides choosing the brothers to go up up on the wall and i mean he does. I feel like there is a really interesting critique of i mean couldn't they just have gone somewhere else else to get the pizza rate but bugging that but they were raised at pizza but by bugging out is such an like is such an interesting interesting version of a kind of black activism rate which is all very emotional not anti-historic store goal but sort of a historical ray lake. There is a history that his anger is attached to but he's focused so much on the moment and and the implications of his anger and they've upped the hypocrisy of it to our sort of counterproductive. They're never never gonna make sal do anything more than feel confronted and a like aggrieved showdown right. I feel like i know i mean i could go on for another twenty min. Okay i'm gonna keep going no. I mean take time. No the fire hydrant vincent driving the fire hydrants seen one of the funniest parts of the movie. I mean anybody who's lived in a city where you play in the fire. He did you plan fire hydrants. No i play wrinkles. I in where sorry it. Don't be this one less thing for me to do on a saturday after there was a fire hydrant. I'm pointing late. I'm pointing over there. I'm pointing my front window. The fire hydrant would come on we every once in awhile there'd be some reason to open in the fire hydrant and we would use it was on the corner of our street didn't happen that often but you'd like wait for the cars pass every once in a while you just want to mess us with some driver and you'd sit on the hydrate and make the water go down just because somebody it'd be the motorcycle or like like a hearse or something and then somebody somebody would have inevitably have a have a can that had no top or bottom and you just like you. Spray it at the car and it would just be the the sound of the water hitting the car. It all reminded us of a really hard p and it was just like to like an eight year old kid. It's just the funniest thing in the world anyway that experience referring vincent is a thing that lots of kids lots of cities in cities in america but not in if you didn't groping city perhaps you don't even recognize what's happening there confusing yeah. Why are they playing in the fire larger. Because you know what we'd have pool there were pools that we weren't even allowed to go into that's true so fire hydrant sorry next scene. Pino and sal have a debate about what they should do with the pizzeria on new thinking. Maybe we should sell this place callaway. We're still ahead and alive. You really think you know what's best for us and we could sell this and open up new winning all neighborhood. There's too many already. They could try something different. Mike golic dope. That's all i know. What am i doing one longshot. It's a really good interrupted by smiley. Another movie does not in what do they do. They like sal wants to talk. The one person won't not the one person who wants talk about an out but like surprisingly wants to engage but but pino was like get out. Get the get outta here <hes>. Why is that conversation in this movie. Two of them like i think i know i know why but just think about what it's so. It's so generous it's necessary but it's not essential ray like that like another version of this movie does not have that conversation. I think it's to create a false sense of trust in south yes well sure and it's because he's just had this experience with with <hes> jay with jay and <hes> mookie sister sister we're like is he leering as he weird is actually a good person does he care about the people in this community are not and then spike liberalizes it uh-huh in sales voice he says i'm proud to a fed the people in this community that means a lot to me i'm staying rate and it indicates his own personal pride out of ownership his own relationship with the customers that he's had over the years and also his defiance of what he views as a kind of insolence in his son but that's not not all of south. That's just something he saying. It doesn't mean it's how he completely feels and then ten minutes later we see different thing that he feels he just he hates rap and he hates being confronted and he hates the idea of an aggressive black person in his face trying to control his business and he's hateful about it takes out a baseball bat and beats the shit out of the boombox and so same thing as martin and malcolm is both yup sales got love and south scott. Hey everybody in the movie has both that's the genius of the movie clearly. Mother's sister is full of both yes. She's so mad at ozzy he davis she's so mad at the mayor except when she loves him well also she's fine with south being there but when they burn when the pizzerias is on fire. She's screaming. Burn it down. Burn down s like this movie. I'm now. I'm really gonna like maybe lose it because because it's so good at like how can you oh not get emotional but it's just the part lake the the risk an i don't know of spike. Lee would sort of classify. Why is the way that he wrote these characters and directed the actress to play them as as as a risky but there's not a single person in this movie with the exception possibly of jade who is just purely could whatever we mean by good right <hes> and i just think that that is just being a person you know like the degree to which all these people are people are just people heap all worked with high stakes and the the the last the last br most remarkable scene is of course the final sequence the extent of penalties now. I would say that it also exists in the kind of most unwatchable can't look away painful. It's not in your it's not in the wedding crashers montage category array of most remarkable. It's in the this is hard to confront but the he's trying to do here. Filmmaking is so good in that quance like the camera camera angle whether they kinda tumble into the pizzeria or they tumble out of it when when the when the melee breaks out the jump cut were the the trash can going through the window repeated. I think three time that's the only part of the movie and i think it might be the only example in spikes history of worry story boarded he doesn't store any movie but in that particular sequence him and dickerson storyboards exactly what happens as soon as smiley bug out and radio raheem enter the pizzeria and then everything that it happens for the rest of the film which is notable has that precision is important and it's amazing that they were so precise and the ending was so misunderstood good and miscalculated by people because people don't i mean here's the thing about the response we we you left off listener share what else the racial slur on i know he's done that a few more times now and so it's gotten less effective for me over time. There's a twenty fifth our version of it's not as it's not it's not as good. It's not as good i mean twenty hour is is great but his greatness in it yeah but in that one i mean because it exposes it gives everybody gives all the fa- establishes what the factions are <unk> are in the movie and it it lets everybody let off some steam about what they would claim to stereotypically not like about about the other people in the movie yes. There's no reason to include the bodega owner except he gets the going around about like like an anti semitic rant about about mayor gotcha <hes> there's a really funny story that tells about working on the movie where spike invited him to watch dailies and after they watched the dailies of that sequence where he gives his speech speech which is pretty rough that is i mean but i will say it is exquisitely well delivered. Oh it's amazing movie but says hey hey man people in new york really gonna hate me and i ride the subway. So what i'm gonna need you to do is get on the cover of ebony magazine with your arm around me. They can be protected for which i thought was pretty good <hes> but there is like they're like his his is the best of that sequence yeah right yeah like he investing deliver. I can quote the i can quote the the the awfulness and the take your fucking piece and go the fuck back to africa. You've fuckin- amac <unk> arrest but it is. It's just i don't. I think that's an extremely watchable. Let's see us despite everything it is. What's what's your is that your pick <unk> rosie dancing bugging out in the wall of fame the fire hydrant and sal and pino the racial slurs and then the final showdown the extended sequence at the end really chewing on on this one well. I just you know it's funny because i every time i don't know how every time i watch this show or listen to it. I don't know oh let's not explore the intellectual hopscotch of the re watchable s- let's just because we have gamified something with no winner yeah. That's true drew got rosie perez love it. I'm gonna go rosie press. I'm choosing the end. <hes> but rosie is a close second kazaa. She's an important person. What's the best. I'll run down. Just a few of these. You can tell me where you wanna chat about public enemy fight the power pearson this movie over twenty times the dow amazing song wrong obviously hugely important artists. This was written specifically for the movie because spike approach chuck d and said i need an anthem. This is what chuck returned. She's us christ lease unforgiving with a clash between generations and races which is a huge part of this story ozzie. Davis and ruby dee as the mayor and mother sister spike lee comma movie star philip that works. I feel like despite good in this movie. No no no. I mean look but he doesn't the great thing about this movie. Another great thing is that he doesn't need to to be a good actor rate. He kind of authority right yeah and all these really doing is giving a charismatic. I doing a charismatic version of thing that really good movies have had lots of which is which are people at the center who aren't the best actors but they've got. It's something right and he unlike a lot of those people he's not dead onscreen and this is basically the last time he put himself in the center of one of his movies right yeah he's. He's a side piece in pretty much. Everything that's really interesting. <hes> keep going danny aiello. I you know he was nominated and was recognized in his this time still powerhouse performance <hes> robin harris who annisten who everybody this is so funny to watch sweet dick willie one of the funniest characters actors in the movie. I mentioned ernest dickerson cinematography the red wall the musty separate tone in sows the pink room and jay's room mhm senior love daddy studio the way that he shoots all of these spaces great incredible stuff <hes> mr softy clarion call the summer <hes> <music> man i forgot about mr shafi using direct address into the camera as a style which has been now jacked by basically the whole emily revolution that came after him. What's anderson probably more than anybody and then i got one other thing that i think is interesting. So this is longtime clash between spike and tarantino uh-huh. I had forgotten in this movie. There are two things that coin tarintino stole one. Is you shoot me in a dream. You better wake up an apologize right. Which is something yeah. I think robin harris says yes in a movie which later pearson reservoir dogs so jimmy wakeup apologize yes. That's one the other one really bad robin i was. It's not bad but he's he'll robin robin harris or was it harvey tell you could hardly tell in your impression there the other thing is the where did you need to stop l. sicilians and and and and africans in the moore's in that whole speech that appears into romance which is also something that mookie essentially says piano and they're having a conversation cells. That's another watchable chaba conversation by the way true romance. No the the the prince eddie murphy blacker the iraq more than black. You're right. I forgot i do that invest quotes that is also aurait scene but those two things along with a bunch of other things. That spike has done over the years in his career. I think it's spike. He's never said this but i think spike is like this do me off a couple. Sometimes it's not like this movie came out in nineteen sixty five years before reservoir dogs and was a hugely important movie things just directly from it. I'm never heard anybody the address that <hes> so there. Is there beef aging well because this okay so i would say on your list anything thing. That's aged the best i mean i think it's the movies sort of timelessness. I mean it might be the movie itself yep and in just just everything that's contained in the movie i love the idea of of ozzy davidson ruby dee to legendary actors who never group for all kinds of obvious racism related reasons never quite got. I mean ozzy davis cast himself in things in direct them in and then cast her. They had great stage careers but this was a love letter. This is like a salty love letter to their love. <hes> into their importance and ozzy was in school days. Yes yes uh-huh gold. Ruby was not in school not as far no. She wasn't schools jungle fever. D that's right. That's right so is ozzy <music>. Now i think the film i think the film in the what was the first one <hes> public enemy yeah. I think that's obviously another one right where dr i never get tired of hearing that song. Even though i'm probably have heard about eleven thousand times at this point it has to be the kind of song of the year not annoyed here here again. It's not i it is an anthem loud and aggressive and plainspoken song yeah so but there's kind of a a great musicality into it on the samples are just perfect and you know it's the kind of song where i've tried to do it at karaoke and you kind of the breath were there. I like lots of lots of rap. It's hard to wrap when you're not a rapper because you just have to have the lung capacity to to do it. I will say also as a person who spent almost ten years writing rap criticism. There is no way to mimic chucky. He is the most known unreproducible unreal producible vocal intonation in the history of the genre what he was doing was different from everybody else. He was not smooth. He was not melodic melodic. He was muscular very power and he was off kilter in a way <hes> and the idea of anybody else being able to do what he did and being able to work with shock lease and eric sadler and that whole crew bomb squad that would that's just also much like this movie that whole little five year window public enemy is the miracle music also the harmony marini with flava flav ray. You don't really give their relationship. A lot of credit music music ca logically but the thing about flava flav in you know there's been a lot written about the problems of flavor flav like the the history that his mirror physical presence invokes. Why do we have to look look at this person bringing one hundred two hundred and fifty years of mental thing. I'm gonna look at it that also felt like an active comment though like the whole design lina public enemy was comment taino. You know i'm just saying we just got to say these. Things are the people don't repeat them. Poorly now. Flav obviously when he became a sort of reality star he complicated located easy answer the history of this stuff he embodies. It and people are made uncomfortable by it but just as music the the two of them together because you win ever. I hear that song and i'm not singing it like just when we were deciding to move around. I can hear flav under nineteen eighty nine another summer. I mean it just it just perfect to math acquitted in two of them together it just that's the music music ray in addition to all of the sort of hard progressive throbbing of the song <hes>. There's there's real beautiful sound between those two voices us yeah. It's that's your winter power. What's age the worst. There's not a lot here <hes> if i'm being rude i this is rosy presents first moving you can tell yeah well. She's given the thing that's age the worst about what she has to do in the movies what she has to do in the movie which is like like browbeat browbeat does man for being a shitty dad yeah and yes. She is morally in the rate. She is circumstantially in the right but there's something thing about you know. There's something about the way she's made to be unpleasant but even she. She's got two dimensions. She is perfectly lovable introduced and willing to like let him rhinitis along like lino up and down her chest but she's also gonna lake attack him for not being a good son to hack. I think that's the other the thing that has not aged well as the nude scene in the way that she's talked about shooting the nude scene. It's evident that she was not terribly comfortable. What was done. She said i think ten or so years ago oh my first experience with doing nude scenes do the right thing and i had a big problem with mainly because i was afraid of what my family would think. That was what was really bothering me. It wasn't really about taking off my clothes but i also so didn't feel good about it because the atmosphere wasn't correct and when spike lee puts ice cubes on my nipples the reason you don't see my head is just to say. I was like i don't want to do this. That's not great. That's obviously not how you wanna movie so that has not each well. Wait hold on. I didn't know that it said i love rosie perez. She's she's. She's like one of my favorite. She's like a like a reason. I would wake up in the morning it even uh even as an and the idea that i mean i'm i wonder what spike would say like an apology to her for making your way if he hasn't already apology they have the day. I know that they are it. Really this isn't a war. It's just honestly reflecting on what was a bad experience for her. Obviously she doesn't have her career as a movie star without about this movie so that is also. There's nuance there that this well. I mean there's like a history of how women become famous hundred percent that is totally a factor <hes> i think she feels both things and i think honestly within like one or two movies anyway. It's pretty soon after this and she's amazing in that movie show her great run between that movie fearless tandem. What's the other one. We're missing. There's a there's a third one and she's just she's oh the mercy toma movie own <hes> what's the one they work in a an diner or restaurant. It's her mercy toe. May their waitresses and it's called. It's the is was called originally baboon heart. Oh untamed heart untamed heart. That's right yeah. Is it downey junior. Who's the goshen in slater slater. He's also really good in that movie rosie perez freely. Oh man i i just love. There's some actors where it's it's just completely irrational but i'd rosie perez mercer to me is another one of those people but rosie pres- for me as a person who also like why weren't there more like latino women in the movies because rosie presents the answer for how it could go because you had people making making original things that was very easy to cast rosie presen- and she did nothing but in live in the circumstances how many i would love to know who else auditioned for that parton and fearless for instance count. I don't know i mean there was not a lot of attention. Paid in fearless and white men can't jump. I don't think so the fact that she was a latino now doug. No that's that's my point. There was a moment where this woman became a very good character actress and a little bit of a star without having to go through some racial crucible. She just was like you were just grateful she was. They're always changing though it's like things feel worse now than ever were. If you put a character like that movie then there has to be some sort of explication about their identity. It's all it's all cyclical casting. What if i only found one <hes>. Do you know what it is. He wasn't going to play mookie. No i think that was always the plan spike lee campaign for robert deniro this i i did notice. I didn't know they had to decline due to prior commitments better or worse movie with de niro different movie how so it becomes deniro movie. It becomes the movie about how how robert deniro is a racist or something. You know what i mean like it. Just is a different movie. I think maybe it makes more money and maybe be like there's an argument for like like maybe getting closer to best picture but i dunno danny. Aiello was nominated for best supporting actress so that didn't really help. I don't know but but i definitely think that the thing that makes the movie special. Is it everybody you're watching in. It is equal in some way and i think that deniro i mean despite you know with all due respect to ruby dee and ossie davis the way that you're watching this unfold. Everybody is presented as equal and it's not as though ozzy ozzie davidson ruby dee are american popular culturally. They're not robert deniro and robert deniro completely tips the the engagement balance so and i also think it's a lot easier to add to like to bring your robert deniro baggage with you to this movie i completed when he is is that when he does like beat radio rahim's radio like you're kind of like yeah yeah deniro right deniro. Did it right you you. You might be be more likely to he might have been cheered in a way that i don't think saleh's cheered even from the most confused viewer. There's like there was a deniro is a rooting interest interest rate. It is a different movie. It's a morally different movie too narrow and who is danny aiello at this time he's moonstruck. I mean what you like. What is he is. He is is the key is one. He's a guy yeah. He's that guy. I mean he liked to me. He was guide moonstruck. He also had a part in. He's something else rape before. Do the right thing very small rolling godfather to he's got a very small role in a handful of movies like that. He's always movies but he's not. He's not robert de niro. Let's take one more quick break to hear from hines. Hines mayonnaise transforms ordinary foods into an unforgettable cream experience. You may forget your coworkers names. Your mom's birthday birthday or what happened three seasons ago on that show everyone's talking about but you'll never forget delicious potato salad made with crayons mayonnaise foods made with heinz. Mayonnaise won't just speedy unforgettable creamy highlight of your week. They may well be the highlight of your thirties. 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I think roger some some standup before a tricky one here because every character basically gets one and a half scenes means with the exception of muki and sal pino and robin harris isn't really like in on the plot no not at all. He's he's a. He's like something you just throw in the pot. Yes 'cause it will make it taste a little bit better may leaf and he's not he's also like never alone rate. You know he's always with frankie phase as on 'em. Who's the third actor that he's with all the time. Oh i can't remember the guy is benjamin. Yes yeah who who who else who else would you put on the list. I mean the blade crazy john savage yeah john satellite boy yeah yeah johnson crazy to say john savvy that is a rewatch in the larry bird's foot run over his jordan's ronald go in jordan just like that. She's jordan brand new white ones. I just bought. Let's say excuse me or serious. Series talk you who thought you labeled john. Savage used to tell a story that you know your shit fucked. The laura john savage tells the story that the larry bird shirt. He's wearing a shirt z. Wearing the scene was given into him by larry bird because his sister used to go out with larry bird and that's how he got the shirt way robin his sister john. I've adjusts suggests yes his sister robin who now hosts a radio show in in in in boston. Yes that's that story is apocryphal because spike has debunked it and i watched him debunk it in a feature at two jon savage's face where he made him revealed. That is an untrue story because spike bought that shirt in a store gave it to ruthie ruthie carter. The costume designer of this movie and the customers are many spikes movies and ruth carter gave it to john savage so that's a fixed interesting. Jon savage is a pretty good pick. You sure you want to pick a white guy for the heat. I'm not scared. Okay who what's going to happen. You're in charge. He's also the one person who has he's got. One scene makes a memorable appearance. I mean he didn't make most remarkable scene but he could have and i think that is that that is a heat check moment. I'll just say i don't care what race the person is. I don't see color. I was born in brooklyn the the half internet research. There's a lot going on here. I'm gonna regis and stuff and try not to bore you. Okay okay spike lee. I got the idea for this film. After watching the alfred hitchcock presents episode shopping for death or the main characters discussed their theory that hot weather increases violent tendencies. It was also inspired. Is you mentioned about howard beach racial incident and eleanor bumpers lee wrote the screenplay in two weeks the original script to do the right thing ends with a stronger reconciliation between mckeon sal sales comments to mookie nearer the mayor's earlier comments in the film and hint at some common ground and perhaps cells understanding of why mookie was motivated to destroy his his restaurant. It is unclear why lee changed the ending because it's better the way it is. That's why pretty clear to me just throwing that out there. I completely agree with you. I've got at the street. Can you imagine how bad that would have been if he had like. I mean i don't get to the movie would have been remembered in the same same way. I don't think it would have been less. Well remembered in a way because it's not as not as provocative. It is not as nuanced. It's not it's more hollywood. I also think there's something about this is moving really was a war shock test in in the sense that that that white people and not only white people but i mean i think white people had been conditioned to understand that that movie about race could only happen on their terms where you can get a movie about a black person the white person by the way person there could be nothing wrong with the way prisoners wipers perfect and believes in integration and racial reconciliation and everybody's shooting could get along and there's nothing to feel bad about because look we solved racism in these two hours <hes> i. I think that the responsibility people left at spike. Lee's fee was their inability to wrap their brains around this problem that movie didn't solve and the movie is saying. It's not my job to solve it. This is this is like you think i can solve four hundred years of this shit now. I can't do that and it's not my the job. My job is to present the degrees to which it is unsolvable. It's much more like going to see a play and it is watching a movie a lot of movies tie the bo a lot of plays flays cut the bow and as we cut the bow and it's a good luck trying to put it back together again. This film was shot entirely stuyvesant avenue between quincy street in lexington. You had it the the whole time sean when i was digging my phone trying to find the cross streets could've just said it. The streets color scheme was heavily altered by the production designer who used a great deal of red and orange orange paint to help convey. The sense of a heatwave is really perfect. That's just such a perfect choice to i mean. It seems obvious but it's perfect choice. During bring filming the neighborhoods crack dealers threatened film crew for disturbing their business solely hired fruit of islam members to provide security remember the samuel jackson later revealed that he spent most of his time onset sleeping as he had no scenes outside films released a protest from many reviewers which we noted in a two thousand fourteen interview lee stated that still bugs the shit outta me calling the remarks quote outrageous egregious and i think racist and further elaborating. I don't remember people saying people were going to come out of theaters killing people all after they watched an arnold schwarzenegger film. It's crazy that was bad. That was released. This is just if you are on the record. I mean i feel like you need to take like a like a intake a little bit of that roger ebert and just sprinkle it all over the arrest of that stuff. Not everybody can miraj. I've been protecting raj on this show a longtime god bless you <hes>. It's just crazy to me that idea that you could say i mean i'm trying to think of some things that i have written immoral and moral agreement and moral disgust in an outrage <hes> i kennedy tried to stay away from that as an approach to two movies eight might not be the police you start like. I don't know it would take something extra special like. I'm more interested in winding up at that place. It's it's hard for me to to start there because i might risk. I wanna keep you with me. Yeah i mean one thing that we talk about on the show. All the time that i think thing is kind of a controversial ideas what's the worst because it's impossible to go into nineteen eighty-nine and say i remember exactly how i felt and i remember the exact state of the culture and so so what we need to do now is i think we're kind of disagreeing on the show all the time trying to figure out what's the right way to kind of. <hes> put a moral valence on everything that happens in this movie. That's not really the right way to solve the problem. The thing about this movie is it is presented as a morality play purposefully so it's different so it demands that we interrogate arrogate but there's something about race especially during this period but really still that just short circuits people's common sense like they. You just can't like they just aren't watching this movie that was made for them. They are reacting to a thing. That's inside than that. They are bringing to this movie. It's true. I mean the idea that it's spits. Movies fall of dinkins loses the fucking election it also i have to say i must say it really speaks speaks to this movie's power. I mean the thing like the thing that roger ebert is talking about about a movie like just staying on the screen and the movies piercer soul joe klein david denby stanley crouch. All these dudes had their souls pierced even if they don't recognize it. That's what happened. That's so you're you. Don't say okay these things if a movie has not gotten weighed in here because it is making you feel something that you don't wanna wanna feel and you want to blame spike lee for making feel this you wanna blame your hopes and dreams on a david dinkins mayorship the on <unk> not happening because of this movie. That's you know in the scheme of things not going to make that much money. In in the summer of weekend at bernie's and swells the wealth is happening that year <hes> that on its way that's right sex lies and videotape on its way didn't make that much money either but but the point is similarly changed culture though and reviews like this that you're describing describing change culture and they drew more attention to the movie and they ultimately benefit spikes persona as a maverick independent pendant filmmaker and so in the same way that the movie is larded with all this nuance and you can't just say it's good or bad weirdly perhaps unfortunately because i don't think it's doing anything beneficial to society heidi but press like that criticism like that which draws attention and then becomes the center of controversy draws more attention to the movie right and it plays a part in this idea of of kind of show person ship the idea that everything is an event and analyzing it from every angle even the dumbest angle possible is beneficial to new career the film etc but there's i mean i'm trying to think of another movie. Let's think some other things that have produced deuce this kind of outrage right like fear basic instinct not the fear so much more shock. I think or staying noise cancern turn there was concern though about whether or not basic instinct was going to what effect it was gonna have. I think there's a lot of like a little bit on the gay community but mostly late that's true you're right <hes> but the other data different fear right. I think there's been a lot of retroactive energy on the matrix about this not just blue pill. Oh right violence yep yep living inside the internet. Oh yeah all of that the way that we are deprogrammed by sir nine years <hes> at the time as much of a a driving incident though well. It's funny because i actually remember seeing the matrix. I mean now our intention but like i remember seeing the matrix in thinking that the battery human battery revelation i was like this is the thing that i knew the whole time now. I'm just saying i believed in that in that argument ray okay. The idea that humanity is basically either at this place. These are headed very much so between that movie and wally unlike we're set for life because the thing that we will not admit as happening to us is like who literally wally there are people. I have seen people at the airport lake under blankets just waiting for their flights on or if they're going to be able to get up because they they are like grown into the seat because they're on their phone. It's just cool razi. How do they even get to the airport. I don't know they've been there for one hundred years cooter. Oh the scooters got a couple more half ass internet research items spike remarked that he has only ever been asked by white viewers. Whether mookie did the right thing. Black viewers do not ask the question. Lee believes the key point is that movie was angry at the death of radio raheem and the viewers who questioned the riots justification are implicitly failing to see the difference between property and the life of a black man in least twenty two thousand six hundred inside man. The police provide provide sells pizza to the hostages. In two thousand sixteen air jordan released a special radio raheem sneaker based on the color of the shirt that he wears in the film and in twenty fourteen the twenty fifth thana verse ray of the film barack and michelle obama praised the film and said they went to see it together on their first date yeah nice little pocket history of america there one more quick break for hotel tonight. Here's an insider travel secret from hotel tonight. There are tons of empty hotel rooms out there just waiting to be booked hotel tonight teams up with awesome hotels to help them sell these rooms and then passes those savings along to you. 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No not twenty fifth if our nominee the peak that he is the apex rav four little girls see this is our vision like he he is one of the best nonfiction filmmakers ever right and the thing and i don't know what he i would say about <hes> what his relationship is to figuring out how to make those movies but part of author greatness is he has to figure them out after he shot them and the problem with some of his movies even his very good ones is sometimes screen green writing. This is a black klansman thing too. There's some parts of that movie which i think are very effective in. There's some parts of it where i'm like. I don't really understand this story right out of this movie end ray. I mean sometimes sometimes. There's perfection like inside man is perfection incredible and a lot of that perfection i mean i think the thing the reason that i'm saying do the right thing is the apex of making <unk> on at least his his his fiction filmmaking is that the screenplays perfect. Tom schulman won the oscar but that is the real travesty right. I lived i mean i don't care if it didn't get a best picture nomination like i'd i would never expected it to its remembered because driving miss daisy one. That's why been adjudicated. Did y'all just moved to america. 'cause i just don't i don't know under there are no circumstances what is even in two thousand nineteen where do the right thing is winning best picture over anything. I hate to break it to everybody. It's not happening but the not winning of the other original screenplay category of screenplay oscar is just crazy easy with us apex. Dania yellow gam his best performance ever gave him reading here great turtle. No that won't be your two zero. Apex are so many some of them in spike lee movies right. He's so good in jungle fever. Yes so good jungle fever yeah. I mean but come on barton fink. He's really good at directing himself like he's good in all the movies he makes it with himself. He's good in that transformers. I mean i'm just like off the top of my head great to throw a guy gloria bell. I was hoping we would get into transformers on this podcast so i appreciate you bringing in john. Farrow never a dull moment with that man and he gets sexier sexier as he ages wow. Did you say gloria bell. I did <hes> i don't wanna spoil gloria bell for people who haven't seen it. I felt a a great deal of pain in for his character. Oh sure but nonetheless a real sadness. Let's bef- shut up book before we even get there. He's just sexy now okay. He was sex barton. I think wasn't sexy. No purposefully characters design eighty understand sometimes but i'm just saying like he is the mink is he the mink no what's his name with scherzer's name in miller's crossing oh. He's also really good in that to do. Is it the mink n- i think that's bush emmy i- shame on me the one irish gangster movie. I can't remember the name of the character who else apex mountain anybody else. You got a lot of people here who you're like. Who is that who is sam jackson who is rosie perez who is martin lawrence <music> but nobody nobody at the peak of their power. I mean the apex mountains spike okay joey pants award for that guy i mentioned frank vincent yeah <hes> one of the alternative all we could always be right. I was going to say it could always be frank. Vincit frankie phase on who i think people would later know as like a from the wire and a lot of films over over the years roger smith who we've talked about now miguel sandoval as one of the cops who else i don't giancarlo esposito esposito used to be yes until breaking bad used to be the winner of this category yeah six years ago and now no more. I don't no no. I guess it would have to be phase on okay. I mean frank vincent. Is i mean. I guess it's vinson because it's always bring vincit yeah. That's why he's in this. Ooh weird way. Do you think he has moved beyond that guy. Anus now okay saul reuben echo award for overacting. Oh i did write down carlos zito here. That was your pick. I wouldn't pick bugging out is meant to be bugging out. That's the whole point and i know that an over performance is purposeful but there are times when i'm like chill. Maybe maybe not maybe not so much. We're losing some of the subtlety of this friday. Oh my god it's ruby dee. I'm just gonna say wow. I thought i was taking a chance by going after esposito. There's something about mother's sister that lake like makes all the sense in the world for their for her big for doing too much but it's not that so it's not so much it's a terrible. It's not a bad performance but there's something about the burning it down part where i'm just like. I'm still in shock by it and i think my my choice serve it being her is that i'd like mother sister to own no no yeah it's more that i accept. It's not i even ruby these bad. I don't have a single knit to pick. We've we've december two times. I mean we did talk about tina. Yeah rosie perez yeah i to me. That's not like a storytelling pro. I don't think that there's anything that happens in the mets. It's an extra digestive problem. I think the key we need to pick is that there are a lot of people were like. Why didn't you do that but we're not we're not we're not having a conversation best quote. There's a bunch of them. I i did write down which something that had gotten past asked me in the past but rewatching it black panther eat pizza. We oh yeah the comic book. I did not notice it until i watched it. What six months ago that was is. <hes> in the in the age of ryan kugler did not notice that feels like a very meaningful ones against like ahead of the fucking curve on everything everything everything i mean just think for a second about what your relationship was your sneakers before like nineteen eighty six clearly in many ways responsible for inventing that cult sneaker had three. I mean many arguments made against it but just think about the idea that it wasn't nike that did this necessarily it was spike. Lee spike imagined the rockstar vacation of n._b._a. Star in that way. Let's just hear the whole radio raheem. Let me tell you the story of the right hand left. We tell you the story ryan and let me tell of good and mean hey it was with this hand. Mccain iced is mm-hmm these five fingers they go straight to the soul of the writing and blow uh store. Your life is this static one remains. I mean it's always fight me of a hand. The left hand is kicking much soon. I mean it looks like the right hand love spinach but almost uh-huh stop the presses to right hand coming back then you've got the ropes now that strike ooh devastating right uh-huh oh hey kale. I love i love love. It is love and hate. I i love sweet dick willie. They want to boycott someone. You want to start with the goddamn barbara that fucked up. Your head might be the funniest line in the movie. I thought of this when spike won an oscar last year the conversation between the mayor and ann mckee when he says always do the right. Anything movie says that's it that's it. He says i got it on. That's good you'll mookie. What stable ac yeah. I like the roll call. All your daddy gives the roll call. Let's stop right there. That's the best that's the best i mean because like good diverse as as a person who liked all the music the idea that there was a there there was a movie and a black artist who could really stand there and say a movie dominated by public enemy and that one and song but really i mean there's all kinds of great. I mean you know you can't stand it. You can't stand it. You know you can't stand it. You can't stand http. Put another bar in there that didn't need to be there can't stand he. I mean you've sung and danced on this episode. I take. I don't think you got that. No i can't hit not takes. There's there's six perfect. Giant keith sweat poster in this movie guy tracy chapman's jason this movie well the great great thing about the roll call and i don't know that anybody because now like after that movie every every rap act had some kind of radio row call something i mean it's like i mean i am too may treat. Did you write it down everybody. It's a lot of folks can i can. I remember i'm not going to get everybody. There's literally sixty names here. It is and i write a little mini history of of black music. It's it's branford marsalis right next to four seventies right next to bob marley right next to bessie smith. They're all in the list. Whitney houston is here as his jackie jackie. Wilson britney houston poster in the studio to there is as in your love. Daddy says we want to thank you all for making our lives. Just a little brighter here on we love radio. God the love radio but we love radio makes onto the street. That's true it just lives in the air just and he stays behind that glass's behind a giant glass <hes> sal the fuck is wrong with you. This ain't about money. I could give a fuck about money. You see this fucking place. I built this fucking place as with my bare fucking hands every light socket every piece of tile me with these fucking hands even at the end of this after saleh's house done this terrible thing and incited this incident by becoming angry and smashing the boombox with the baseball bat. We're still trying to make our way through his feelings. What happened him to he's still is like i thought i had some pride of ownership in this community and maybe i didn't and spike didn't have to put that in the movie. He didn't have to close the movie with letting south say anything ever again. That's another thing that is lost on. All the people that were critical of the ending of the movie sal gets to say that you didn't have to do that anyway. No i mean not not only does he get to say that i mean every every every step forward for this movie is a step back right like it. You really haven't gone anywhere because everything is so evenly balanced and the idea that that scene view of the sort of objective position of their of their of their respective goals in that conversation which are opposed to each other and then after just like that conversation is to have what's the antagonistic half and then there's the we're not going to be friends but let's just have a moment. That's kind of like our relationship used to be before you through. A trash can demo window destroyed that guy's radio and he died. I got a few more here okay monday. You go back to massachusetts. I was born in brooklyn. You mentioned the whole exchange between pino and mookie about who's your favorite basketball player magic johnson. Who's your movie star eddie murphy and whose favor rockstar prince. It's your prince freak. Boss bruce that whole exchange about what isn't as what is not new. That's a great i mean but that's the great i mean. That is the best conversation in the movie i would say they're not really black right because that is an actual conversation vit- it so many black people have had with so many non black people like your good one yeah. You're you don't don't you don't count. I'm your friend we couldn't you. You're you're. You're if we're friends so you couldn't. I'm not talking about talking about them. He puts his finger right on that is amazing. It's it's just it is conversation is still open this podcast guests with us in your mr senior loved daddy quote. There's another one here that opened you exploded explo- this podcast with a senior loved daddy quote how will you i'll take a chill. You gotta cool that shit off and that's the truth ruth couple more wisely. Could this work as a ten episode. Neno actually twenty deny say no but actually couldn't it it could it wouldn't be as it wouldn't be. It wouldn't be the perfect math problem that the movie is this but maybe it'd be a different math problem as we know he already made a t._v. Show out of she's gotta have it. I wouldn't watch it and he knows better about that. Show i'm sorry sorry is bike unanswerable questions and didn't <unk> through the chat trash can to save sal or two expresses outrage always think about this all the time i really i mean talk about a conundrum that you'll never have an answer to think that you could argue you could argue. Both you could argue that he did do it. I mean because he does have. We don't know anything about monkeys family. We know about the family starting. We don't know about where he came from. We know about the sister we don't know but the parents are and i think that there is a kind of like he i mean it's a boy. It's explicitly said by sal. I think that you're like a third son yeah and i i do think there's a fealty to sal in some way <hes> but i also think that he knows the neighborhood he lives in and maybe <hes> maybe this thing should go maybe to go. There's a dead person in the street. Somebody's gotta pay and it's not going to be the police so make this other why people do it. I think you're right right. I think can be both right. Why pinos so mad what is wrong with him. Lido is to kick it to a black girl and she said had no. He tried to step to a black girl and she was like you ain't got no game i buy him. I can't do this. It's just that simple because because you know what shawn it always is simple good good to know maybe that is an answerable question mookie and sal made up in future spike films how long transpired before they patched it up a day a week ten years <hes>. I don't think they patched it out like some he needed a job and sal needed pleaded delivery person so area. You're good at answering these questions. I have thought about this movie every day of my life since nineteen eighty nine so ask away did mother sister and the mayor bone. Oh my god you mean after the they boned. I paid previously bone. That's the whole thing about that right like they. They probably spent the rest of their lives together. I would say she made him. Take a shower. That's for sure. I'm sorry i'm sorry excuse me i could smell him from nine hundred ninety nine or two thousand nineteen. He's still smell. That's when you know when we first meet the mayor when he wakes up in his bedroom and he's got all the <unk> old empty beer bosses room and he's sweating. He's smells like my grandmother's fourth husband. Mosley's did tina and mookie. Stay together no way no way not a chance. That's an answerable question. There's only one more question. Ask on this podcast and it's who won the movie. Can i add bef- before we yeah another question. Yeah was south pizza good. Was it actually good because like i've been thinking about this question question for the whole time. I have never seen pizza. That looks like that pizza. It looks like plato. There's a story behind this governor. Always is so the the budget movies. A little tight may only had two pizzas. The props department had to reuse. We use the same to park. John turturro famously was taught how to cut pizza. When you're cutting with a pizza roller you need to dig into the crossed crossed in the movie the movie you can see him just airing it and not going through it because they couldn't cut up the two pieces that they had so. I don't know if it was good. It was it was certainly in short supply but wait. Was it an actual pizza. I think it was an actual pizzas like claymation. Well you know what happens the pizza when you let it sit out and they only had to. It's not like they had a the idea that can i just say something about black people in pizza glacier speak for everybody. I'm scott speak from us. Are you going to say you don't like pizza. If you're in a lot of trouble sean sean. I'm not crazy okay. I i lived legit got nervous. No so what i was gonna say but i wouldn't need south pizza like not even as politics as food like am. I gonna burn down neighborhood for this. Oh look look. It does not look good. The worst pizza i've ever had in new york is better than most food i've ever seen in california. Ah i there is a meteor coming. We'd better answer this. Last question of our angelino producer is his head hurts right now that i said that but i mean the truth is shawna is really important to you to all humanity but you can eat it here. It's fine here. It's not let me be clear ever grabbed. Grab be clear about what you never did. You just say that all of the can you just say what you said again. I want to understand what you're saying. The worst pizza i've ever had in new new york is better than any food. I've had in california. I have you been a korea town. I love the food and create town. You still think that the worst pizza in new york is better than all of the food and koreatown pizza is a is a holy deity to me okay particularly on the east coast. I don't even know where to to start. Where would i even take you to make your mind you've probably been. I know that you need your leader. I love. I love a lot of food in california. I'm just explaining to you. It's not a critique of california. It sounds like a great high. Praise her knees in new york. That's what this is about so angelinos i. I don't want to hear your fucking tweets. Don't send them to me. I get it. You're mad that i said something. Sean can can i- philadelphian take you a new yorker her to some bad pizza in new york city because it's yes so not don't get me wrong. I i am delighted to be living here. You shall be because elvis how this is the best eating on on planet earth yet but they don't do pizza great but don't hold the rest of the food against. I'm not that's not what i'm saying. I'm <music>. I'm merely valorising pizza as as a cultural foresee. You would like some poetic license. I will grant it to you. I need another spike pizza movie. You don't not if it sells also just who on the movie besides pizza spike lee spike lee spike lee it made his career it is it is one of the greatest movies this country has ever produced. It is the movie like no matter. What spike spike lee wants to do with himself. It is it is one of the things i mean his children his marriage. I don't know what else he's proud of of like like a lot of his charitable work. <hes> the idea that he inspired generations of people to want to make movies and believe that they could because he did the performances that he is allowed everybody from like edward norton to his own sister to give in movies like cindy. Williams is is pretty he good and a spike lee movie like he treats her. I would say he didn't tr. I i don't know what cindy williams say by the treatment but like as a person in a movie treated just as well as as as as edward norton i mean bakes clockers. My second favorite spike lee movie astor's three latest ending of of all spike. Lee's movies. I love movie to it. Is it which we spent more time on. That clockers is perfect. Another perfect move not a perfect script script had a lot the problems but spike lee again is solving richard price problems with spike lee film making and has a real moral clarity that that he that when he conceived things morally clearly. He is at his best. That's why the katrina documentary is so effective and the four little girls are so effective and i just think clockers is the the one of the best american movies made about a young black male period <hes> but still this this movie is the thing that he should be most proud of because it's a thing nobody in this country has ever done before four and hasn't done since which is make perfect movie about an imperfect problem the black most america's biggest problem then america's never gonna gonna solve and he made it in a way that people will be watching it in one hundred years being like well. He figured this out because we haven't yet and we're in. We're in outer space. The i don't have anything further to add to that statement for wesley morris. I'm sean fantasy thing. Thank you for listening and always do the right thing always do the right thing. Everybody specially on twenty twenty thanks to voodoo. 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597. Baron Vaughn, Zac Oyama, Ify Nwadiwe

Comedy Bang Bang

1:37:23 hr | 2 years ago

597. Baron Vaughn, Zac Oyama, Ify Nwadiwe

"This episode of comedy, bang bang is brought to you by query. This is a podcast with our good friend. Good friend of the show. Cameron Esposito sit in on an hour long conversation between her and some of the brightest luminaries in the LGBTQ, plus family query explores individual stories of identity personality and the shifting cultural matrix around gender sexuality and civil rights past guests include Lena waif, Alexandra billings, congressman Mark Takano. The Ellwood creator Eileen shaken president and CEO of glad Sarah, Kate, Ellis and more. It's identity. It's community. It's query fine. Query every Monday on Stitcher apple podcasts Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Come back. Bye. Bye. Bye. The sheep. She fought got peaches pitted. Foppish pigs sheep, that's fitted. Welcome to comedy, bang bang. And thank you to carpool cocoon for that gets raised mission. This show must sound insane. If this is the first time you've ever heard of before, but that was a catchphrase submission. I have been trying in vain for many years to replace my world famous catchphrase. What's hot dog that? I unfortunately gave away to weird Al yankovic. And as you know, he starts every concert by saying, it's a if he is to be believed. I've not gone to see any of his concerts to check up on him. I should because I gave him that cash. And if he's not using it, then we have a problem. So listeners submit me catchphrases, and that is a very interesting one. I think it's a little too hard to say though every week. So I think I am going to be moving on carcass cocoon, and what I say it's too hard to say. I mean carcass cocoon that is the first time catchphrase submitter, I believe and speaking of first times our guest today, we have a couple of first timers coming up a little later. We have someone from Alabama pest control. That is very exciting. And also an automobile salesman. Okay. I'm not sure where he's from the our other guests puts where he was from in the actual description, Alabama pest control that tells you everything you need to know as far as outta mobile salesman. It could be anywhere could be the in the center of the earth for all now. I know. In any case. My name is Scott Ackerman. I'm your host for the proceedings and lettuce Terry, no further. We have a wonderful guest who's been on the show, many many times, you probably know him from mystery science theater the current series on Netflix as well as I think he was on some sort of ABC show or something some sort of sitcom for a minute. But our listeners know him primarily as our security guards Zeke from the comedy, bang, bang television show made some of the most appearances on the TV show only sixteen people I looked it up today only sixteen people appeared more often than you, including myself and Reggie and weirdo. Yankovic? Yeah. Please. Welcome baron Vaughn. Hello good to be here. Non Zeke, are you doing a character radio? I mean, technically, aren't we all at all time? What is your real? Because and I've known you for a couple years couple years, you know, and you were on the show even before that. And I you know, I did what I saw. I really don't. I don't think that I saw you having a conversation out there in the lobby that was like is this the real? Oh, that's it. Couldn't have been because he was so boring. The real baron is very very boring. I mean, that's a question. I have for myself as well, Scott. I mean every single day in the bathroom mirror, which I can't see anymore because I've covered in the lipstick. Yeah. How far down is that mirror? Go broke. We talk in ankles. Dow we're talking like a cowboy shot cubes medium. Yes. Down Bubes and up cubes. By the way, your comedy. I've always said, it's it's it's good for all ages. Yeah. Pukes up. Yes. If you have you laugh, so it's not like a thirteen in thing because that's so arbitrary there's late bloomers if you pukes, you're good. You're good. When it comes to my comedy. Yes. Exactly. And you check by the way, I noticed. I I luckily I've gotten to the point where I can I can hire someone I can delegate that that checking response pull a few out in and hold them up and show them to you. That's right. And that's that's right. And if and then I also have a rule about how thick they have to be because we're talking about like, you know, linen thread to what's the thread count on these pupils talking two thousand. Yes. And that's and if you're over two thousand and you will be admitted to the show for her in comedy, you have your wonderful stand up comedian, and you're on some show. I mentioned your honor show. You said a sitcom on ABC. Maybe I did a pilot for a sitcom on what am I? What am I thinking of? You might be thinking of a different Netflix show that I'm on on grace and Franco. Yeah. Yeah. Now, my wife watches that. Yes. And people's lives, watch it. Yeah. And their and and their mothers their mother, that's true. If I had if I had a dime for everyone who's come up to me like, my mom loves you. Then I would have about five times. That's that's very strange thing to say. So you're on Grayson, Frankie, and you have a new television program, and it's coming up this Friday, April. Eighteenth nineteenth. I didn't write down. I wrote down every piece of information except the actual wrote down April, which I spelled wrong. I wrote AARP. And by the way, speaking to grace and Franky viewers, the AARP. Yes. And then I wrote eleven PM because it's only Olympia. I didn't write what it was nineteen. Yes. This Friday at eleven PM. And I is it. Okay. For me to say the title. Now, I watched the first episode, and you decide you debate. Whether it's it's okay for certain people to say the title, do you want? Do you want to say the title? Do you want to force me to say this? I I don't know that I want to say the title. I'll say it first Scott, and they can follow in instep. Okay. I don't see this is like a gonyea west gold digger Ashraf situation. I don't necessarily think that's true yet. We'll see it's called the new negroes. Now, the thing about it is people don't know how to feel about the word negroes. Right. It was a word that we you know, was all in vogue decades ago. Vogue magazine that'll whole spread on the word negro. It was that was what was acceptable to say. Approximately nineteen seventy one to nineteen seventy-two nelin. It was actually longer than that historically, it kind of started. I want to say about the twenty. Okay. So a great man who was no longer with us name W E. D boys was one of the people that led the charge on changing the word that was used for black people to be negro. It was good. Then this is better. It was better than caller people. Okay. People were saying. And then he was like, I think I have something better sleep. Okay. So and then it was good for a while is good until about the late sixties early seventies. And then what happened in the late sixties? Why do people why where people got like this? I think what happens is people start using it as as a pejorative as a slam pasta certain time, and then people are like tongue. Oh, okay. Now, you're just saying it like, well, that's that's true of any word, you know? And I think that you know, it was the dominant word that was used to refer to black people, and then it kind of fell out of fashion, especially with younger people because I think, you know, the the time change politically, and there was a gentleman name Stokely Carmichael who sort of championed black to be the new word. Right. And then James Brown had a song. They allow them proud and Brown became black. And an irony is that black was insult before it became a negro was the word to call. Someone black was like fighting words. Right. But then then it was like, no. This is fine became the word and then black. Yeah. Blacks, and by the way, blacks black is back. The black is back is the new black because for awhile for awhile, then it became Afro-American and then African area. Afro African American and then and then it was like, none of just stop just please. Can we just go back to black? Well, there's a lot of there's some people still prefer African American people for afro American. They have big hair. I think that was Jesse Jackson almost feel like it was like Jesse Jackson singlehandedly tried to force that on everybody. We'll try to force afro American or African American African American they caught on in the universities, which is why came so huge. But I don't think that most people like that. I don't like it. I prefer black. Yeah. Well, the shorter the better. Dwell on it. It's about efficiency, you know, what I mean American is too many syllables. Now, you're trying to take this word back though. Well, the thing is I'm not necessarily trying to take the word negro back as much as I am reusing the term new negro, right? And that is its own thing rights. I don't get it. Well, white Scott what it is the way. If you're lizard of the showed haven't figured it out yet. I'm white Scott his wife, Scott Hoch urban. I know it sounds like a Nigerian that may be you know, that maybe causing the unease I have discussing this subject, Scott Chioma Offerman. That's specific. That's for like, the the fifteen Nigerian listeners that you have. I've counted they've all emailed me. They're like, I'm so happy. You're going to be on the show people from Ghana not a fan of mine. I don't know why gonna do. Got to do it. Right. That's exactly what you Harvey as George George H W Bush had a weird had a weird policy about the country of Ghana not gonna do it. Very strange. What the heck we were talking to talking about how you're the title of your show. And then we'll talk about the show itself. So the so the the the term in of itself new negro is was the title of a book from the twenties. Okay. And the book was an anthology of like fiction writers essayists poets musicians. Oh, as a compendium of like, this is the new this is the stuff that you should be paying attention to the art scene. Exactly sky. Hey, what I'm Mexico's with this show sort of is because let's talk about the show the show, and I've seen by the way, I don't like to brag. But I got a screener of the pilot. Oh, and I watched the whole darn thing. I appreciate your Washington. And first of all, let's talk about the hosts because it's you an open Mike and Mike we want to have on the show this week. But he's he's for and. We get we had to do it. We had to pull the triggers eagle? Yeah. But it's you an open Mike you'll now you're a standup. Yes. And Mike is a musician who, but he also is very funny. And as you know is himself in performances and does stand up shows and stuff like that. So it's you guys are both the hosts, and it's sort of like a premium blend dark roast, what do you just right now? What do you think premium blend dark roast sounds? Just call it. Let me just grind it down and see how how it processes. Yeah. I mean, Mike is a is a rapper a hip hop artist. Whatever you wanna call it. And so yeah, every episode kind of has a theme we unpack it a little bit on. I want to say like a vaudeville kind of way. I mean, silly our friend Lance bangs he directed to develop it with you as well. Or did he just direct it? Well, I we developed it. I always wanted Lance to direct because I I like I like the meltdown. So it's it's kind of like a meltdown type show year. It's like you guys have stand ups on. Yes. And you also have musicians on and in fact in the pilot. It's really good. You have Chris read chalet was sharp and Langston Kerman who's just on the show a couple of weeks ago here, and then Hannibal Burgas pops up in the middle of it doesn't really funny thing. And then at the end, Danny Brown musician. Danny Brown does video with Mike. Yes. So it's like, oh this in twenty minutes and fifty five seconds. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's addeted pretty tight is. And no comedian that did a set. Did the time I asked what do they do? I said down by se how do they run the light? Well, some who'll did twenty who ran the light the worst everyone ran the light except for two people who didn't the only two people that came in at the time. I asked were Sam Jay, okay? And mayo me at paragon. Very you. Go. Guess how easy it was to their sets. So so easy. Meanwhile, the twenties meal how long did Chris read do because he probably didn't go that bad like nine minutes. Okay. Yeah. He's he's a professional to Langston lakes and actually was eighty four minutes. It's eighty four minutes, which is about the the Runtime of Annie hall. Yes. Exactly. Well, he had I think he had just seen any hall, and he's like I could do this for longer. He just did it word for word exactly from memory to very talented guy at some point. I had to edit that basically piece mailed his his the different words all the different dialogue from Asia standups into his set because a lot of people don't know in anti-holiday, speak everywhere to me English length any hold the very first line of dialogue is what he goes the quick Brown FOX jumps over the lazy dog. And then that gives you every single letter to use it doesn't every sound, and you can just just putting scale it together. Yeah. But it's a it's a really cool show. Who do you have on further episodes? Oh, yeah. I mean, you stand up wise we have people like George Wallace. Because there's another thing that I wanted to do which was extensively bridge gap between different generations accompanying bridging gas, actually, exactly Benetton United uniting these colors because when you see these standard shows on comedy central. It's whoever's hot whoever's new, and they're like, hey, you know, I'd love to have this fifty year old person ago. He's had his time in the sun. Exactly. And I kind of wanted to if you will pay my respects to those who came before us did they feel respected after the show. I believe they did especially like Finally, I got my respect that. Yeah. Except for one person. Who's like, I don't get no respect. Oh ridings on. But he wasn't. He tried to get them. Like, you're not black right? Oh, I don't get no respect that's respected Malek in my book. It's true. Who else who else? Do we have George Wallace? Vanni funny. One of the funniest they'll Rawlings. Sutiarso mehta. From the current generation the curve from the older generation of SNL. Yes, l'oreal. Oh, Candice Thompson tone Bill. Sonja, Johnnie who is a younger median there's a couple that we get to break. I've six she. She just started talking that babies on the show her. I joke was take my wife, please. And that's pretty funny. I mean, she put the young young men and seeing what say that who do you have for musicians who come on the show. We have Fonte we have method man, we have MSN doom M F tomb. We have a Sama's, Liz. Oh, wow. A bunch of different. Really interesting. Do they all do videos with Mike? Yes. Okay. So they don't come on and do live performances. They all do video. They do not and the videos are great the video in this. First episode has Jake Wiseman who was also on the show recently from corporate. Yeah. It was a weird thing. I wanted to do where it's like, you know, like rappers get to shout out other people. They like artists collaborators so in the videos, I kind of wanted to shout out all these different comedians that that I like like Jake Weisman Marcel arguello's in that or zone. Oh, so like, all these great comics and every single. I tell you you pack, so much in so many great people in in the just the first episode. I mean when I saw oh, wow. There's three people and a musician. It was like how are they going to do this and then Hannibal jumps up? And it's like oh. And then you guys are doing time in between. It's really an achievement. It's it's a really appreciate. That's good. Yeah. Congratulations. Thank you. Hopefully, we get to do more and do it better. How many did you do? We did eight episodes eight. Yes. Eight is enough aid is. Yeah, it is. It is enough. But not for you because you want to do more. Do you want to do one more? I will like to do all let's see. Let's see what happens. I would like to do this show for a couple years because there's a lot of comedians. I loved that. I would like to get on to run out of comedians. Yeah. Surprisingly, no, Scott, surprisingly, no, they keep making them big. It's you. In a certain point. They would stop you would think that. But I tell you here in L A. It's like, oh, hi, I'm a comedian. God it they bust them in from comedia-. I just don't understand it. And it comes on this this Friday comedy, central eleven PM, the coveted. Is all the young people are at home watching television. When it's on eleven on a Friday. Yes. The post what do they call that on ABC on Friday nights? The you're looking no no back in the day. GIF TGIF. Yes. The post TGIF's going to have some fun. So you how it's done TGIF something like that something like that. He did it perfectly. Barron. So good in you and Mike have a wonderful report when how long had you worked with Mike a couple of years we've been doing a live show here in the Los Angeles. We were doing it to UCB Franklin. Now, we're at the Virgil I had started this show with Bridgetown comedy festival many years ago, especially because it's like comments are coming from all over the country to down to do that festivals. I got to meet a bunch of comics. I never knew before. Wow. Who's essences? I got absorb essences Neta pun note. That's that is a magazine. I didn't even think of that was still around. Yes. Invive? And well, yes. Of course, they still they're still essence vibe jet magazine still has the beauty of the week jet. Yeah. My neighbor got all of those and I would get because steal your neighbors, Geno. No. I was in number two, and they were in penthouse to and the male person would get it mixed up all the time. So quite often. I would I would just pull out a part of our mail ago. Oh, I got someone else's mail today. Because it would be a jet. I go. Okay. I could be like keeping it. This one's for me today. Excuse me. I got a. Well, it's a it's a great show. I hope everyone checks it out. I mean, you're on the rocket ship to fame at this point. After this Friday, everyone will you know, it'd be recognizing you in the streets. I get there. Well, sure. Oh my God. I love this as us usually older generation with the grace and Franky I'm talking to under sixty crowd is finally gonna come around to you. Yes. That's that's the crowd. I've been looking for sixty months sixty months to sixty years, and if they have pubis and by the way, if you better buke dot if you see barren out on the street show them, your don't I retract all bear on promise later. I retract what if you what if that became a part of your act, and then you sold t shirts that was like your face just said show mayor pew. I would buy that t shirt. Let's be on this. We on us. And I think just from this appearance could sell them, and it would be okay. This is really doing wonders for me merchant. How can I get talk about pubic breaks emerge? All right. We need to get to our next guest. Now, that's all right around for this. Around for this person. I do want you to sit around the entire show. Okay. That was part of the deal for sake. Mon you're gun. Tim show. Okay. But he is from Alabama pest control. That's exciting. Do you are are you a animal? Oh, I am. I'm also a fan of the John look was on the movie the pest. Oh, I don't know the past. What is the plot of that? I keep interrupting you is you're trying to sip your drink. What do you wanna do you want to answer? It. You wanna sit? Well, I'm glad you asked their Scott got. Given what he's really annoying. That's I guess that's what the whole point of the past is. So he goes around bothering beep. Yeah. I hadn't ever said it certain type of leg was on. Oh, man. Is he doing his one man shows? People who did not pay for ticket. Yeah. I flipped on HBO or Showtime or something one day. I need to start taking the the water here for a second. My God is that your real voice? Yeah. Just slipped into my real voice. All right. He's from Alabama pest control. But are you an animal fan? I am a fan of animals. Yeah. It's kind of mean to call them pests depends on what your relationship is with them. That's true. All right. Isn't a pest usually like the insect or something. I don't know. I mean, I think it implies like an unwanted animal perhaps favorite or a Mongoose gets into your house or something like that. We'll find all got a capi barrow problem. He is he's one of the Simpsons that this is fun. The Samsun sons, wait a minute. This person is one of the Simpsons. I think so his name's Denny Simpson. But he might be related to those the distant relationships. Welcome to the show. He's from Alabama pest control. Please welcome. Denny simpson. Hello though Simpson. The debt. Downtown. Not sure what you don't know this song. Oh, this is great Danielle van Byron bam. Incredible. And as that sounds like an incredible song. You never really is. It's really good. Have you ever heard of the show the Simpsons? I'm not aware of the Simpsons. Oh, I just know that I mean, my family's kind of weird. It could be its own show. What's your family? Like is there a dad and a mom and a ball dad who got a white shirt blue pants who wears all the time? My momma, she's got know. It's almost like your hair's blue because it's it's so great a him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Blue haired old lady green shirt. Yeah. Really long shirt. Yeah. How'd you anyway? Well, I was just here to talk about your deputy Simpson. Oh, yeah. Danny Simpson's from the Alabama pest control album allied to also refer to it as critter control because. Yeah, I don't like saying Pesci there. Yeah. Exactly. It's mean, isn't it? It's made I'm all about the ethical capture and release of these animals and people for the ethical capture and release of animals. I've heard that or if I could start organization called Pekar, and you know, that that would join it. Okay. Good. You know, I would pay dues of upwards of three hundred dollars a year three hundred dollars. Okay. That's an interesting ballpark. We're going to have to do a little market research and see if that's viable. How many how many members do you at three hundred year? Do you think would sustain your organization we're going to be a couple thousand? Big big goals. Six hundred thousand dollars just to stay. Well, you know, there's a lot of animals endanger out there in Alabama famous. Specifically people have what kind of animals you got out there. Well, I can't tell you. How many times have crawled underneath the porch to grab a possible? I back who now or a cat out all kindly under porches, honor porches. They like to get under there. They pretend it's a little house for them. And then it's like a tiny house under a house like furniture like pictures of their family often kind of debris like that. And they're like, it's it's not really kept after and then the animals kind of, you know, we'll be animals, and it will be animals, and they go in there, and they kind of ruined the stuff a little bit. But yeah, they they will. I mean, they don't have a opposable thumbs. No. So they basically owns there. Oh, they do. Oh, yeah. That's true. Because they're opened up garbage cans and tell you how many times have gone down there and tell us how many times you've done these things. It sounds like you have you seen? Sounds like you have you seen stats it happened a lot and more. So than I count. I'm not great with numbers. But so it hasn't happened a little time, and you're just dumb, and you can't count that high. No, it's happened at least happening too many to think of a number maybe too. Well, this is why you couldn't tell us. It's not that. It's not that many. Or is that really? Hi, I'm not sure. But I looked I've seen these raccoons under there. Just short of a family. I see spiking Orage air. That's true. Yeah. I mean, I diet that color or this is natural. Imagine failure naturally. Half of us about have this hair. Maybe four out of five of us have Haley. Okay. Yeah. You have sort of a complexion sorta like the tangerine and chief Donald J Trump if I may be political for just one second. And now, I'm. Stopping I'm stopping so. Yeah. You have a jaundiced complexion. Yeah. You just sort of spray to ethically. Lets me handle animals. It's sort of orange spread. They don't like it. But it keeps them from biting me occas part. So they don't like to be close to it. So they don't bite your skin. Yes. Okay. But it doesn't make it doesn't make your hands slippery. So it's all a hundred times, it's very slippery. Wait a minute. You only have four digits. Yeah. What I mean? That's all you have to be honest, going under them porches can't tell you. How many times I've had fingers bitten off by? I would assume twice before the spray. Maybe be somewhere around two. Wow. So so what did you come here to talk about? Why just talking about? Ethically. Capturing these animals, I am I don't think I've been doing this long time. I've realized that we don't really need to to tranquilize animals or put these little that's what a lot of other pest control places. Do they see an animal and they're like get the gun. Honey, exactly, or they, you know, the husband and wife team. Pest control team thinking one of those big polls that has a little wire on it and the grammar around the neck. And I just use my hands. Yeah. I think that's more natural way. And they can come to understand me. And yes, sometimes they you know, I can't tell you anytime they called me up. You know, I take a guess though, four maybe four times maybe fifty thousand any of this a wide range, but somewhere in between that betwixt that. But we we gotta be more careful with these animals because they're they've been put on this earth. Just as we have. And we should let them safely get to a place where they can live their lives. Is there is there a reason for every animal, you know, how they say like, well, you hate bees. But you know, without them. Suddenly our environment is going to shit somehow, you know, or like, oh, you know, you hate snakes while they are there other catching the rats or whatever, you know, like every animal there seems like there's some sort of excuse that these people go like. You know, is is is that true for every single animal? Documentaries about that to earth. I believe I believe that fully. I mean, I grabbed this rattlesnake the, and it really it really went to town on my arm. Oh down. Yeah. Let me check that. That is you've not dressed that wound. I'm letting it letting it breathe. Do that. Because sometimes you know, you gotta let it gets mayor passed out when I put a band aid on assumed it had a corollary. So whatever orange and green whatever the mixture twos on the color wheel. Is that say yellow, I'm not sure I really don't want to say you have yellow. Not an expert in color, problematical. Well, but yeah, it's turning a weird color. Yeah. And it got me and that was part of that that snakes journey and that's next line. Right. Yeah. So what is the purpose of every animal just to kill some other MO? Can't we just kill the animals women? And then we're good. Are we animals though? That's the question. Right. Are we animals were Hyun us? That's true that an animal to be animals or pests that is interesting because I know that we have we what is the difference between a human animal, we can think. But I mean, they say the chimps can think there's that KoKo the gorilla supposedly could think. Yes, supposedly. But I believe it. I'm a co true. But I mean, I mean, maybe we live in a world where all animals can think, you know, they're living their lives. They're they're having full. Do you think our dogs thing? Yeah. I think there what do you think they think if they if their thoughts like have you ever tried to impersonate what a dog thinks he's probably just said it out loud. Just like, I'm hungry so hungry. Well, that's going to be true nine times out of ten. Yeah. Do you think dogs are hungry? All the time. I think they're always hunger. What a life. I mean. Just prevent hungry Scott. I mean, it's usually in the morning, then a few hours later, and then you come nighttime. I get pretty ugly then to. Yeah. I mean, I'm hungry about three times a day. I would guess give or take. It's really nice look fifteen for me fifteen. Yeah. But I like to eat small things. Okay. Do you like to micro meals to almonds? Yeah. Teen times times that's about thirty almonds. I can't tell you. How many times you've had thirty almonds? Yeah. I appreciate that. Because you're not necessarily eat animal unless you have to exactly ethically. Caught them. Denny you're here to talk about ethically capturing these animals. Yes. So talk about it. So listen, I want to say I don't use tools. But if an animal by any tools, I don't use tools these these mitts, and but if an animal hits me, I'm gonna hit it back. Okay. So the other day possum scratch me right in the face. Okay. What I'm trying to say come here come here and get out of here. A scratches me. And then and then I give them one right pal right in the face. So all it did was scratch you, but you decided to like hit lows fist punch him in the face, treat them like I would treat any of you hit me I'm gonna hit you back, but he didn't hit if I were to come up to you in meow and just scratch you in the face. You would punch me. I if he cut me across the face like this wound right here with your finger nail man. Maybe at punch you. But I can ask elation. Let me maybe I was ceded. Maybe I was seated maybe I got the Tipper got the best of me. But yeah. Clocked him right in the face. And then he fell fully asleep on the ground. I took him to the woods and he lived his life. And that's that's fully what do you mean by fully asleep? Well, I hit them. I hit him right in the chin. Right. He waddled back and forth as I'd or you look like a comical boxer. Yeah. Like when a boxers about to get Kayode. It was he went up on his back legs. Right. Then he fell out fell down. And right. And then I did the kennel in my head the ten count. Yeah. And then he was done. Did he ever like sorta get up? Like he reached for a little rope. And he couldn't he staggered. And then I thought he was good for second thing, you can do it. And then he just how just how ground again, so you so then at the ten count you've you've thought he was asleep. Yes, he fell asleep and fully asleep. He's well, that's how I fell asleep. He lights out. So I mean what I mean if I were to hit a little tiny thing, you know, I think the force. I mean, you're I mean, you're a you're not a big person, you're approximately like four hundred four hundred six or so with your hair hundred nine pounds. All right, wearing shorts flu shorts one hundred nine with my skateboard. So knock this little guy out. And and that makes it so that I can ethically. Take him. Right. I'm worried that you killed a raccoon with with a forceful blow that was his skull intact. I don't know why I'm saying his was there SCO intact their skull. I don't know if their school was an intact or not. I mean, I I picked him up and I didn't look down again. And I walked all the woods and dropped off. And I left without making sure that he woke up I'll say that. Okay. I think I think you killed a raccoon. I don't I really don't. I've really your hands, by the way. Yeah. I feel I'm feeling really good about my actions. And so I really don't think I do is it because you didn't use tools. Well, yeah. Because I mean, I'm not throwing a piece of metal on this animal. Right. I'm not. I'm not using something on natural like a chemical. Yeah. But I mean, can I ask you a question where you were? Did you happen to be wearing anything like brass knuckles at the time? I got these guys on I mean. Yeah. Oh, I noticed those when you walk this. I love and then and then we'll right. And they have a little spikes on them as well. I mean, those are the are derived, motorcycles or something. What do you have? I walk around, and I put my leather jacket on where my sunglasses, and you know, so you're like, a cool like those those t shirts that you would get at swap meets. Yeah. Like a different version of. Of yourself of myself. I'm thinking, I I go to swap meets a lot. And there's there's like an interesting Instagram channel that has a bunch of pictures of me, but little different rights, Michael, Jordan, right? That was interesting. Yeah. You with dreads? Yes. Yeah. Exactly. I don't know where they're getting these pictures to me. I don't know. But you know, and then you know, I've taken care of other animals has this happened multiple times. Woody. What is what is your MO when you approach and animal what you're not using tools? Yes. So what would normally happen? First things. First you go in there. You don't you shine a light or anything, and you just cross forward as fast as you can the dark in the dark crawl forward. Yeah. Are you worried about getting anything saying Hello? And then usually with comically exaggerated southern accent? I put on the accent a little bit. When I go there. Hello because I think sometimes imagined animals thinking, and it's like that. Well, I mean, I imagine it lowers their defenses because when you hear someone with that harsh of a southern accent. Usually think oh, this person isn't that bright? Now, there may be kinda dumb or something. But like, and so often, you know, it seems like last week a cat was under a house. No. You know, rather large cat, and I go in there. Hello, hello. And it looks at me. And it gets a little scared at me. And then it jumps. And it touches my back. And when it touches my back, I used sort of a judo move and flip it over pounding using the force of the cats against itself. Yes, judo. Yes. And this was a heavier cat. So I used that. I was able to use sort of its weight against itself right lifted over and then did sort of left, right? Kick combo. Wait with your fists and your booze right fist kick. And this cat fully sleep. Like a hard kick or short kick. There's a hard short kick out enough space in there to do you know, you can do a full long. Yeah. How long has a long kick to you, Barron? Well for him. It's not that long. I mean, he's so short so about two feet to two and a half feet. Right. We're talking. This was a straight kick for me. So it was like one foot. It sounds like you're using a lot of 'em may on these cats mixed martial arts mixed martial arts, or me Levin animals. Okay. That's the that's part of the what's ethical about it. Yeah. You mix love with discipline. Yeah. With these animals that makes sense, exactly. And you know, this guy was out cold. And that was he was fully asleep. Fully how many animals have you put fully to sleep gosh, anywhere between I would say three or four hundred thousand four hundred thousand and and is that why you need the six hundred thousand dollars a year for your organization is this some sort of defense fund, or you know, a lot of people don't like how do it? And so I would think everyone would disagree with you. I mean has there ever been a time where you've rescued an animal? I mean every single one I would say, yeah. But you're putting them in the woods. I mean in some sort of like mass grave shore of hundreds of thousands of of dead animals. I mean, what sleep in their asleep to you. But I mean, do the would smell do they call them, stinky woods, I'm often congested. I'm very allergic to animals. This word. I would have to say that. Yes. I every now, and then I passed hikers coming through that area. And they're like, you know, I can't smell it. But they're like you and that sort of west sound stupid. Yeah. And they're they're idiots. So it's like who am I going to trust that or not and say, well, I think that you're I mean, you're almost look this is how serial killers get started. Am I right baron? I mean, killing this this number of animals have you escalated to humans yet? I'd have helped some humans. Oh. Oh, look, look, sometimes a human will get caught under house. Schlemmer or other, you know. Wait your co workers. They're not there were no work at the same company. But sometimes I'll control outside. Oh, a competitive house. And then I'll run in there now go. Hello. Hello. And I will rescue and save both the animal that they're fifty use their harmful gadgets on and then the human down there. Oh my gosh. Yeah. You're year. I mean, you're a monster. I don't believe it's mantras for me to get between the animal and human and fight them would of this of these woods. I want. I feel like the authorities need to check this place out. The latitude is one thousand seventy nine hundred fifty eight okay. Good. Is that you gotta use my. All right. Look we need to take a break. Okay. I feel like, you know, you're you're as mischievous as as your namesake Bart Simpson. But I'm not sure. Yeah. But you're a little I don't know. He just he has a whole litany of things that he writes about on a chalkboard. He shouldn't be doing anymore. I would love for you to on our chalkboard over here. I will not put animals nor humans fully to sleep anymore. Can't make any promises he do that about fifty times on this chocolate right here. All right while I sing this data data. All right. We need to take a break. We'll be right back with more comedy bang after this. Hey, kevin. I'm supposed to do. This supposed to do is live read for Thomas English muffins. But the problem is every time I just do a read I get to hungry, and I have to stop it in the mill after eat them up. And I'm thinking what if I just started? And I did that while I was eating the Muffin is that. Okay. Is that going to bother to many people? I mean, if people have AS MR, or is that a thing you have or is it the thing you like, I don't even know. But I think people are gonna like is. I'm just going to eat some of this Muffin right now. And. That is good. Man, I tell you a morning without Atanas English Muffin is a morning wasted. Because you know, I like to eat Thomas English muffins topped with jellies jam. I don't know the difference. Put them on a Muffin. I don't care about the difference. Peanut butter. Hall. Thomas's would peanut butter that it does not get better than that. This one's dry. But I didn't put anything on it because I'm just so hungry. I'm just going to this is like swallowing an aspirin without water. And then I just goats my tandem bicycle. Which is how I get everywhere with cool up. We try to always make sure we go to the same places and leave at the same time. Even if it's hours and hours separated from each other. And she has her Thomas's. Of course, you know, she has it with margarine or butter cream cheese cream cheese out of Thomas's English Muffin. They know log that. Of course, I do this before brushing my teeth. So don't worry about that. I'm not going to smell like peanut butter the entire day. But it's a great great way to start your day. I mean, yeah, sure, I take a shower somewhere in there. Sometimes it's before sometimes it's after but. Is that what this is about is about how my day starts? I really don't know. Even what I'm talking about right now. All I know is this this Thomas English Muffin is the best. Of course. I eat the light multi grain God exercise, first of all that bike. It takes me three hours to get anywhere in California here in LA, that's mainly. My my main source of exercise, but I'm also doing key goals the entire day. Look, you gotta try these things if you've never first of all if you've never had a Thomas English Muffin, you're certified insane. I think you must be an alien from another planet. If you've never had one of these everyone has had a Thomas's English Muffin. And you know, it's been so long since I finished this first one. And now, I'm hungry again. Just talking about it. I'm going to have another one. Okay. So I gotta end this. Anyway, Thomas English Muffin. Remembered nine thousand nine hundred eighty nine. Remember june. When Batman came out good times. Remember biking around the city looking for Batman posters that you could take out a bus stops. I do but something. That was maybe even more interesting. Although I don't know it's hard to say that this is more interesting than the story about me biking around the city looking for Batman poster steel out of bus stops. But I'm gonna try it. 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Yeah. Bees a couple of beats. Yeah. There were a couple a couple. Okay. Yeah. He's stuck me. Precisely the same time. Oh, that's companionship. Yeah. We need to get to our next guest. He's an automobile salesman. Although we don't know where he sells these automobiles have. It'd be my first question question. Do you have your first question locks loaded biz? And did what do you got? Okay. Well, you can save it go tell me what I was just gonna ask what kinds of cars. So that's good. Like, what brand do you mean or okay? Good size. Save that save that. Yes. Size mid-size. Yes. Is there? They compact midsize. And then what I think it's I think it's grown. Dave NT, David small. Do you have your first question, Danny? Yes. What is the best animal for? For what for driving animal to drive a car? All right. Save it. Okay. That'll be your first. All right. We all have her first questions. He's not a mobile salesman. Please welcome Gregory Smith. They have going. Look a lot of questions right out the gate because there's a lot of questions and a lot of clarifications. I gotta do you you maybe you you. You were saying I say automobiles, but actually I feel more than automobiles. I sell experiences and stories, and I said one automobile at a time because what I like to do is. I like to trade up a get a get automobiles would stories behind them like by. I automobile was from from from a mayor, Omar Bradley of County, California. I bought his call. And then I was like oh well concealed is. This is a story. This is the mayor. Did you go fly it if you didn't think you could tell it? Oh. Because I was like I knew I focus on one thing at a time. You just wanted to buy I wanted to buy it. But I was like I could sodas this brand is called as a, you know, a sold. It flipped it sold. It flipped it. Next thing. You know, got got George Wallace on heard you talking about George wells had his call. You know that was a good one. It was Cadillac DeVille. W-won't flipped it sold it for the did sold. It. What is the flipping involved before? You like you flip it and you sell it. Then you flip it again. Then you sell obviously when I sell you a car went about a car you had. So like, you know. Yes. So for example, if if you Scott all or baron, if you wanted to buy a my don't Danny out of this because that's the story. I don't want that. You're not you're not interested in his car. I don't I don't want that store. So okay. No, no offenses to you. And and what you got going on. But those are stories I'm trying to tell happy stories you have happy story. So when you buy a car, you're buying their story. Oh, yeah. Because I have a whole process. So when I meet say, so a meet you we're going we're going by by the com- Baio call. I require three hour sit down. Yeah. Yeah. We sit down for three hours like talking to a minister, Marie get married. But condu- because I need to know. What story I'm inherited because I can't flip a bad story. Let me tell you. So we if we were to sit down you would ask me what all of my experiences in the car. You know, tell me about the time. You lost your virginity? What was that? Like who regardless of if it happened in the car, you know, because that might lean into it. You know, how sometimes you you wanna take a class? You got pretty wet Chris sits, I guess, but my car right now I'd had it for about ten years. And I lost my virginity long before that. I can't tell you. How many you? All right. So you anywhere between two and Laura we'll do not move onto the next question. Okay. All right. What G for breakfast every day? Every see. I've it varies as much as I would like dangerous meet the same thing. Oh, yeah. Every day. I wake up eat one a raw. Of course. Why would you burn the minerals? Okay. What about the shell the shell? You know, you definitely want to crack that open sharing of. Yes. Okay. Yes. You're saying it's a win. It was just going to say like one eight doesn't seem like enough but the shell. Okay. Adding Sheldon one it an orange juice and a toast. I want one slice over a whole loaf. What are we talk? When we say toast, talking about one slice of toast that unconfined, you know, because I'm on the road because I I drive around this road toast. Yeah. You said where from I'm from everywhere because I'm constantly dry. Was going to be my first question. Yeah. Because in wise, eat the same breakfast because no matter where you go no matter where you are on the road. You can always find an egg some orange juice and a Tokes and you said an orange juice before. Now, it some orange juice. This story is not adding I'm may or may not be swiping some of this. Oh, gotta keep overhead low. I gotta keep overhead low trying to sell one call it takes long periods of times. Well, shouldn't you be opening yourself up to other foods for breakfast? Then if like, you know, it seems to me like if you're if you're stealing food, you steal whatever you can find. No, no, no. Are you consistently finding a chicken? Oh, whoa. We'll get panic from. I don't know we get eggs at stores, they sell them without without the chickens, and you imagine if every time you had to buy to buy chicken with it. You know, those one time I had to live with a chicken in the call. But you lived with a chicken someone someone like you if you if you take the call, you gotta take my chicken. That's in the truck. It was it was it was a Ford. It was a Ford one fifty. Okay. Those are big truck. And I I know someone who would be interested in nineteen seventy five. Okay. So so it had a chicken in back, and I bought that from the foam, John, you know. Yeah. Me I've seen his picture on the package. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it just like, obviously, his grand grand grandson. But like, call them be foam, John, you know, another thing you really into the new negroes of about if I told you I had a Ford model t that was once owned by Frederick Douglass. Wow. Yeah. I would find that hard to believe. But I, but you know, still want to hear the store. Yeah. Yeah. So obviously, that's what took pharma John up up found a gentleman up north in Baltimore. And I was like, hey, I sell caused what stories what do you gotta sat down with him for three hours, and we just talk and he lost his virginity at the age of sixteen right behind the soda pop. Staying and next thing, you know, he's talking about how he inherited Frederick Douglass fourteen. And I was like that wasn't funny. He was going to sell you original. No, no, no, he that. He was trying to sell me some say shit, Mazdas two thousand six Mazda miata. Who wants me on it? Yeah. I shake me out. Well, who mean? I mean the daddy. This is you'll take me out to you know, he's not giving me. Why are you think he looks like you, you you look like see I would have priced. So tried to say that foam, John truck, you see you look like a man who needs to all lots of things may be animals and people. Okay. You need to call me up that small I'm trying. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out your process here. Because you say you say you sit down these people to buy their cars. You also say that you only buy cars with people that you give their cars to or you just trading cards with people after a three hour sit down up yet mostly lot of trade in. But sometimes, you know, I'll I'll get a little money like, especially apparently, so museum said that there's a reason they should have the Ford model t that Fred Delage drugs. This drove around in historical. I was like, okay. Well, if I'm gonna take ninety two Toyota Tercel a little money on top of that. How much did you get for dollars? Cancer cells, aren't that? Good. Yeah. So so that's why you're keep it doesn't seem like you have a viable business plan. I mean, you you need to keep your overhead low because you're not making any money. You're just wandering the country swapping cars with people for the mere purpose of listening to them talk about they're losing their virginity. Did what it's all about for you feel like me, and you will not so different. You know, you just record yo come six. Yeah. But I'm not I'm not immediately asking people when they lost their job. I mean, we'll get to it, by the way bear and Wendy's lose your Jimmy. I think I was seven to think you're seventeen interest. Pretty sure I was. Yeah. I'm pretty sure you more like a eighteen. Okay. Maybe it was. Yeah. Anytime anyone says seventy you usually add a year that the rule. Yeah. Okay. Any you lose the old v card? I haven't yet. I'm a little boy. That's right. I feel sorry. So sorry stayed away. You're in roughly second third grade. I think I'm in a four frame sisters in second or third. Okay. Who's your teacher? He's well, sadly, a teacher of my pass away. Right. I think I have some new teachers. Party with what's going on leave? Right. Confusing kind of burly for a little boy ELS. Yes. That's a short, man. All right. Thank you got some statutory appreciate out. So you you're just wondering the country talking to people trading cars, while why did you why did you get into this line of work because? It was ever since. I've I bought that. I call every time I, you know, pick someone up and they'd say, oh, this is Omar Bradley's call, you know, they named a a breakfast after him at the roscoe's and Compton knows lading. That's like a story. It was like that is a story was like you could probably so sodas call for more than you bought it because you have a story, and I was like. Doe. So what ahead? No one likes reykdal. Yeah. I want to treat these stories because sounds like a thing. My dad would say a little different though different there. He had an apostrophe in his what I remember. Because essentially you're going to get a story. That's that's the big one. Everyone searching for that big one. And you haven't found that one yet. I haven't found a big one. I mean, you had Frederick Douglass his model t that's pretty nice huge. But the museum, you know, the it was hard debating them. We that was a six hour conversation real. Yeah. And then they started talking about it was it was like the Frederick Douglass debates. We tried. I that's basically what brought to the table took one of his great debates and read it word for word. And they said, no, we'll give you fifty dollars in this Toyota Tercel, and I took it how good deal when it will be. Okay. You're waiting for your Moby, Dick. You're no pun intended, Janati stuff. But you're you're waiting for to land at great big white wail of of the story that's going to. Make you rich exactly because I'll know when a stop because I know when I could sell the car and don't need a trade a car because that's the story that's going to make me make big and I'm gonna go all the way back back to Alameda boulevard in Compton. And I'm a by my house back. Oh, so this is about that. Who who did was it will have sold my house to buy the the the car that Omar Brad, which was your house worth of miles. We're five thousand dollars. Okay. What year was this this? This definitely was denied teen. Ninety one definitely housing dollar house in ninety one. I mean, I don't really know what the market value is. I mean. Yeah. May of undersold it, but I need money fast that call was five thousand dollars, and he said look somebody else's coming to buy. So if I would have waited for the paperwork and all that. Yeah, would've. Yeah. Could've gotten way more for it. But I needed five thousand dollars by five PM on that Friday. She got a quick close. All okay. Yeah. It was how long has asked grow. Oh, man that like an hour. Pretty much was. They they ran through it to be on his you have time to get your stuff out. Did you tell? Yeah. Yeah. So they keep everything as is. Yeah. Because what's found out? This was a home are brand new car. I was like I can't live here anymore. This is gonna take me around the sun care a lot about Omar, Bradley. Yeah. You don't remember? Oh, my Bradley. Tell me about him while he was a male of, you know, everything about waiting Wendy. Do you lose his virginity? Oh. See now, you get into the juice juice is that what do you say spoke to him. He lost his virginity and nineteen eighty one to his injuries earlier in years earlier. Well, high school sweetheart how long was he out of high school at that point? Or was she in high school, and he was forty. You know? I don't ask the details. I just want these DJ. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He he he don't wanna tell either. He just said he. That's all, you know, eight five thousand dollars for your house for my how did you give him five thousand dollars for the car? Yeah. Give him five thousand dollars for the call. You gave it to me. And and I just hit the road. I was like now I gotta find a better story. So also you were homeless. Yeah. Then you say hit the road. What do you mean? Like went under the bridge for awhile. No took that car all the way down to Florida. Get good mileage. Wow. So then I was looking free thousand miles away. Yeah. Yeah. So let me get in Florida. Who knows maybe I could find a caught at maybe a Miami dolphin. Will. You know owns or somebody big down here. I I really didn't find anyone there was that Miami dolphin the kicker who. Fucked up the game who then got some sort of went through the transition. I believe and kidnapped adult the mascot for second of an investigator found a wound her eventually, that's right. I remember. Yeah. He was an ace investigate does L in the news. We write that down with with this 1993. Okay, right, January after you got this car in. Tune to me for a little while. Oh, really really investigator. He was investigating you use a Kaelin quick. Was it Africa or approximately two hundred ninety five? I I saw this rhino that. I wish for sure was not another rhino was animatronic about it. And I got out of there. You left Africa entirely entirely. Wow. Okay. You were spooked. So you were in Miami. And you were looking for a dolphin. We'll maybe somebody for Miami dolphin. Okay. And then what ended up happening is, you know. Abound around from spot to spot, eventually a found someone who recognized this, you know, someone you recognize that you can in Florida Florida that you can say who it is. This was years later, so this this so I was in Florida from nineteen ninety. Ninety one through about two thousand seven thousand six that's the long term help selling this car is why eat eggs for breakfast because it takes a long time to sell the car you eat egg for breakfast and some Moore's use and Tokes. And so so sixteen years pass, and you have the same car were you living rallies home? The I was living in the car, of course, in eggs every morning, didn't eggs more. Whatever toast. You can find look by the doors. Sure that if you found no stories, they'll store sixteen sixteen years to those little pop sensation by the name of pit bull. Oh, starting to blow up and he needed to get rid of his car minister, world wise to worldwide, and I was like, I'm I'm gonna sit this man down. And I'm gonna tell them. Luckily for me he was well versed in in Compton municipalities. Yeah. It was very very interested in Omar, Bradley car. So I was able to take his car. And when did he lose his fraternity he lost his virginity at thirteen? They give man. Yeah. If I were pit bull. Although have you seen those pictures of pit bull before he became pit bull. No. I haven't seen wearing a tracksuit is just like without the talks. He's not pit bull. You know when you use wore full tux, soft. So I don't know. He's driving around in the fall. What did he have a well eat his car was actually pretty interesting because it wasn't. Yeah. Yeah. Because it was a ninety five and I was like this is kind of new for someone who's just blown up. You know, visit two thousand seven. But it was new new or somebody who's just on taking care of it. Yeah. Yeah. Because I I like to keep my cars, you know, went out when I was when I was buying 'cause normally I would like to keep them five years from the you were buying cars. Normally before this. You know, when you when you drive it around before I was say, oh when you were just seeing them for pleasure. Yeah. No previous life. I was I worked in the government. But doing city government or city government I worked for the registered quarter in birthdays in marriage certificates. Oh, okay. Yeah. On his job. But I was like there's more money out this. So why don't I spend the rest of my left? Trying to flip one call. So in two thousand and seven pit bull has a nineteen ninety five Ford. Tourists, and I was like let me get on that four to us. They make Lassus beckoned. Cable with a car you might have been under. Hey, I kind of. We've done to your first question yet, by the way. I don't even know what it was. It was either this story. Those just so fascinating figure out the details. So I was like, okay. I'm onto something. I got I got move quicker. Sixteen years was way too much lagged because that definitely got bought down. I had to I had to take no money on it. He said, right? It'd be when you Twenty-three, you know, by the time, you know, that's in the future. Yes. To sell more cars. So it took that car, and I drove north to took took drove up missed three or four and before I left. I told him one thing I was like. This Kodak company that looking for something which Kodak company, the Kodak company Kodak family, coats, the allies like keep your eyes on him and hit the road. Okay. You gave him stock tips or I mean, I don't know if you all saw that d- that deal he had with Kodak what you're. One of his songs you use. I use pitcher that with a Kodak and apparently got a lot of money. Okay. I was like he took my advice because not a lot of people take my Outkast, you shake it like a polaroid picture. They got paid. How did mR worldwide get paid for just singing about God? I want to talk about things. Yeah. What do you want to? I want to get money from something. That's a that's a kind of a discrepancy is IBM's earned people should by IBM ze. Yeah. Wow. So then after that, I was like I got to move faster took this took my tours of the Boston bump into none. Other than probably one of the best basketball players have autom- Larry Bird, Larry Bird, Celtics on the cell walls, Dibble's car. Yep. You really run here. Larry Bird, where did you park parked it in public pumpkin space right next to a bean factory bird playing basketball. Wait a minute. Heard different bird is not good to drive a car. All right. So you didn't park it at Harvard yard. Okay. Okay. Good to know. I didn't. I didn't try do. I was like, okay. What about the advice? They give you. Oh, okay. Because I I heard, you know, bosses known for their baked beans. So let me go to a bean factory Sandro straight to a bean factory. They weren't given tours. Apparently, that's not a normal thing. So walking down the street kind of sad. And I was like the other day. Yeah. Then a went bumped into Larry Bird, and he comes into him bump, then he's I mean, if he's coming at you, he you know, I mean he was good on defense. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I use throwing elbows might have been pushed by. But I to sell it fell on the ground, you flop or did you get full disclosure threatened to sue them because fell into the street and got hit by a car? And I was like unless you trade the car with me, I'm going to Doherty's while she had something on them. I had something on Larry punched me. I'd make him go to sleep fully asleep. Police. Yeah. Yeah. So what kind of car did Larry Bird habit? He's he's in retirement. So is talk talking. We would go. Now, I'm getting I'm talking about a nineteen ninety nine Sadi's been see class when newer by four years. So I'm like, okay. Two thousand in ten ten yet two thousand and ten by this. Okay. Good guests on my two thousand fifteen year old car C class. Yeah. Okay. I'm like, okay. I'm on something. And when did Larry Bird loses for Janati a labor laws game. No, he lymphatic their Bert. Still averge. Nerd, yeah. Yeah. You know, Larry nerd Morlin? Yeah. Yeah. He's like he's like, he's listening, George. How can be as good as basketball as me and have sex. And I was like I can't argue with that logic. I don't know. How can you be as good at basketball as me and have said, yeah, I guess because there's where you have that thing where it's like you have sex. Suddenly your energy is gone. I mean, that's the thing. It's like, I mean, historically basketball players don't have much. No, not at all. One basketball player it's ever had a lot. I mean, maybe Kobe famously maybe look I think it's all just lies from the media just to make them. The cool thing is in basketball player has ever had sex. 'cause how you going to be able to shoot free throws. If you nagging your little singling true. Get in the way of free throws. Because first of all you're like bouncing the ball. But you're Boehner's out. You're gonna hit it with the bowl while you're bouncing as you prepare to throw the free throw this. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense as I'm concerned talking about. So you have Larry bird's C class. And are we going to go through every car or we could just jump to a gun? This last cost was the last car that you have now. Now, I have Dwayne Johnson's lime scooter Dwayne the rock John Wayne the rug Johnson. He was on the line scoot. And I was like I'm willing to trade you this tesla model three for that. But he doesn't own that scooter. Yes. Yes. Is that one of those scooters you rent that? We're there you're seeing everywhere. These days of the up there in age. What do you mean written scooters? Well, people are leaving scooters everywhere in cities nowadays. Did he have a word onto say bird? Yeah. Yeah. It says a lot. No, no. It's a fruit. That's a scooter. Oh, this is a lime scooter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a that's a company that you rent the scooter. So you saw the rock on one. Again. I said do you own that it was like, yes. And he sat down with me for three hours, and none of those three hours. Did he mention that? He did not own. He was just real interested in trading this tesla mount of three who did she get the tesla from oh, go all the way back. The tesla goes way back to Elon Musk because you know, on lease Joe Rogan experience that I was on because talking about my story about this show. Oh my gosh. He musk when did he lose his virginity and was it to Grimes under? Okay. We'll look. So you you now have you have the scooter that's the property of whatever company leaves the lion around, by the way. Why don't we just throwing these things into dumpsters? These days. You know, what I mean, you'll come after you ate who will come after you the limes. You just throw it in the dumps. If you see one on the street just throw it in a dumpster. I'm telling you there there there have been really scary anyway. So you have a worthless. Scooter that you're going to have to return to the company so it's been now nine ninety one. It's been eighteen years. You've been on this quest. Eighteen hundred twenty eight it's been. Twenty twenty years. Yeah. Twenty years you've been doing this and bamboos and you find finally got bamboos by Dwayne Johnson. Dwayne the rock Johnson out of all people the star of Baywatch. Ramp. I honestly I was I was ready to come in here. And hopefully sale the scooter the one y'all, but now that no I don't want it. I didn't know you're gonna have to give it back or throat and dumpster either. Either one of those things you need a scooter. Well, could you break the handle off and make it just sort of a flat board? Yeah. He's he's a skateboarder. I don't do the modifications. But I can't you know, control the modifications that you know, you might want to do after purchasing you. I mean, what what kind of are you into are you in the market for a new skateboard? Did you do something like land on top of a car or something landed on top of a car? And then I think my principal took it or something. It's hard to remember these tests. There's so many things happen to me. Yeah. Ooh. What what what would you trade me for this lump scudo, gosh, what about this sleeping turtle? Oh my God. You've run a dead turtle with you. I was on the way to the woods on the when I came in here, I'm going to have to pass only trade vehicles. And you know, I mean, a turtle is kind of like the car of the animal kingdom because it's got, you know, a hard top shell have you ever seen a duck? Right. A turtle. That's a vehicle does very true. I think you should make this trade. I mean, you have a worthless. Scooter you're going to have to give it back at least with a dead turtle. You can sell it to a museum or, you know, give it to the cops as far as evidence against den Denny over here or you can make some soup which could be its own breakfast. That's true already told you only one breakfast. But y'all drive a hard bargain. And I got to say I'm not involved in this. But you take out take that turtle. I'll take that. Don't give me that. 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It's unbelievable. It kind of is own busy. Great way of like. Wow. There's a lot of content there. But it's like you can't just blow through them at an eve. But the new one is very vengeful. Is it really the gauntlet? Okay. Yes. I gotta check six episodes. How long are these sixty five minutes? Okay. That's been jewel. We also have seventy minutes seventies. Okay. Sure. Speaking of digital. We also have Denny Simpson who his namesake's has hundreds and hundreds of episodes would be very difficult to binge. Those again, I'm not sure who these people are right. And we have Gregory. Who's an automobile salesman? Or more of a traitor in a way, sometimes money's own top. And now he owns a turtle. I'm a promise you next time. You see me you go see me in a car because I'm gonna do something with this. I do so animal you can turn dead turtle into car. It's you Gregory. I have I mean. Yes, it took sixteen years to make your first trae. But after that, you were boom, boom. But we didn't even have enough time to talk about every single one. So but speaking time it is time for one of our favorite features on the show. It's time for a little something that we'd like to call. Would you rather? All right. Would you rather? We all know how this is played people send us would you rather scenarios to our Twitter, which is at CBW. I are at comedy Bangui rather. I will read it aloud I will then open up the floor for questions. It's your prerogative to ask me any question. The like about either the scenarios in order to help narrow down your choice at a certain point. I will close the floor for questions there will be no warning regarding. So just be warned right now, there's never going to be warning regarding that so. Get those questions in soon as you can we'll tell you all the points, and then we'll figure out a winner. Okay. This comes to us from. At four Washington lane. I think that's a reference to something. I'm not sure what at four Washington lane. Asks. Would you rather have to give toast anytime? Someone says have nice day or oh. And this is working your side of the street. Gregory sell your car for a Flintstone mobile. All right. So would you rather have to give a toast anytime? Someone says have nice day or sell your car for Flintstone mobile. I'm opening the floor for questions are winded for influence to lose his virginity right out the gate. I mean that square jawed monster there. I don't know. I think that he he was probably, you know, like getting those rocks out. Pretty pretty early age. I think so I would say, you know, nine this story, that's turbine. That's yeah. That's the story before he had Bubes. I mean, that's barons interest. Right. They're not necessarily Hugues. I'm baron Vaughn. Are you in this reality good at giving toast? No, okay. Well, are you giving toasts right now? Yeah. That's why I say, no. I was saying that for you. Yeah. You're as good at giving toast as you are. But you know, I'm a little more interested in the other side of the equation. You know, the Flintstones are I'm not entirely sure. Okay. The Flintstones some neighbors that kind of a really bad house. It's a yeah. Kinda run rundown shoddy looking rock than anything. Yeah. Fred is that the dad might be read. Yeah. Wilma Wilma's definitely the wife. Yeah. But then there's a next door to them. There's Bernie bar next door remember? Yeah. I think they were right next door right next door because Barney show his window think. Yeah. Barney and then got who's married to that? Yeah. Yeah. Real Rosie O'Donnell type. If you know what? I mean. I don't know what I mean. I don't know. She looked like Rosie O'Donnell a kid, right? They do there's the kid. Pebble him. Yeah. Yeah. So narrow narrowing down. It's starting to. Yeah. They were on prime time television for a long time. Okay. Running for a while for a while. They were they were the longest, but no longer. So that's the Flintstones. Our question would you don't have to ask. If you ask you gotta just jump in my man, otherwise this floor is gonna close. Okay. When you give this toast. Does it matter where you are? It does not matter wherever you are. When someone says having nice day, you have to ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. You always have to carry a spoon with you a metallic spoon and a glass, which you know, honestly, it has to be real glass. So it's breaking allot anytime. You forget about it. You sit down on it. And you're getting glass shards at the. But, but yeah, you go, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, whoever is there be it's at work be people on the street walking down the street just the other day. So a pretty lady, you don't know what to say regardless whoever is around you you have to gather everyone. And I mean, everyone if you're on. The street. You gotta be like, sir, sir. Comeback here. We're making toasts if you're in the car, if you're in the car driving, or no, you gotta make that toast. What's in the cook? What we sit on. So important to you. What do you like? I mean, we talked about your breakfast. Whether it's not orange juice, those just breakfast for dinner steak Malbak would lose Jimi churry stealing this back with the little Jimmy church. Skim on breakfast while out on the on the doing so based like a king at night. Yeah. And the Flintstones car runs on foot power. Yes. Yeah. You would sell your car for a Flintstone car that you would have to run which how fast can you run? Have you ever time yourself? Yeah. I'm probably about I'm really fast on about a fifteen minute mile fifteen minute mile. Okay. So your yeah. Your four miles an hours quick. Yeah. Yeah. I'm about thirty six miles an hour. So so I think it a little slow to get on the freeway. But yeah. Yeah. On my skateboard about ninety your ninety miles an hour on our skateboard that's too fast grinding rails. I the quickest route possible doing all these. Yeah. I can do a couple of hours flips couple kick blow my God. It's gotta be that venom in your veins. Yeah. Nine by the way. Well, at least you got rule that dead frog. Oh, yeah. The turtle cold turtles frogs while. Okay. When is the crossbar on the on the on the the Flintstones mobile been oiled with it'd been recently oil you concerned about the oil. Oh, you gotta you gotta know about all the time. We'll begin because you gotta own crossbow. So us. Yes. Oh, the stone can roll released. So no, I it was it every six months or three thousand miles. Oh, okay. This on the deal. How much you gonna get four your own car? It's first of all you're gonna ask, you know, win the Flintstones lost their virginity first of all. Yes. Of course at three hour conversation. Yes. And then you get about fifty dollars. Wow. So you sell your own car for fifty dollars. And then you. Which is I think some stick some rocks a bit of tarp. Maybe although I don't think they had necessarily, you know, woven tarp in those days. I know exactly what it was. But it seemed like maybe pelt is probably animal. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. How long have a toast? Do you have to give? Well, until someone cries you have to keep going keep giving tells until someone tells someone you move someone to tears. Yeah. That's the hard part you guys. Yeah. I don't like seeing people cry really not even a good way in. No you ever seen a toast where someone's like, oh my God. That's so touching that feels good. But then I'll think back to a time. I was crying about some sad. And then I'll get sad. So so that reminds you of someone crying tier what's this thing that what remind when you think of tears, what's the saddest thing that you can remember when someone's cried when to hit the road and start on this car. My kids would like dad you don't. You have them home the story. They went with the with the mom, obviously, you know, we would divorce at the time. And I was like yo little Bobby Jo and low, Jane, jeez, they're in their thirties. Now, they definitely ups right contacting them. I've sent the friend request on the Facebook. Lead. I left me did not accepted you the personal touch. And you're back in the states of California right now the personal touch of like wrapping on their door. You know, like actually going trying to show up and see them in person over the time for his own though. Everyone needs to know their father could around us for a long time and a certify ably insane person like yourself. I mean, I'm sure they would want some answers, at least your medical history that they can talk to doctors value. So. Yeah. Did that answer your question, Barron? I don't remember. So when someone cries, oh, then you can then you can pack it in. It's hard for me because I don't like being open invulnerable. Yeah. Which due to move have to try to strike down. See if we'll cry just to test it out on us. And this may inform your decision, you know, sometimes they say that a group of people that are together become bonded when they've been through something. Oh my gosh. I think Danny is Denny is as tier I think our bond is Kobe Bryant Denny is the waterworks not that I've ever group of people being together. I don't know. I mean, that's different than knocking animals out the bodies that you left in the woods. I just feel like I'm sweating. Okay. You're just we should probably get him to the doctor. You have some emotional issues as well. But I mean, if if Denny's around the there. There you go. That's a good question. Can you always have a friend with you that you know, will cry easily you can have Danny around. Okay. Only Dinnie you hang out with any in this scenario. Okay. Yeah. So yeah. So in one scenario, you give a toast until someone cries. And you're hanging out with Denny over here. All the time in the other scenario, you trade your car for the Flintstone mobile for fifty dollars. So I mean, you know. Not don't vote yet. Because obviously the floor is enclosed we still have time to get. I mean, I won't tell you how much time, but there is some time because the floor has no the floor is closed. I told him there would be no. All right. We're gonna vote. So let's go around the horn baron. What do you think I think I would sell my car the Flintstone car? Why? Now, why is that because I have a Honda can't be any worse than that. Is it also the hanging around with any part of it the hanging around with any part. I didn't wanna say LB. Yeah. He's got to murderous a murderous look who through the tears, but he might be dead soon. I mean, clearly something's don't have account. Okay. I'm not don't get. You don't have a cow, man. All right. Any how are you gonna vote? It's hard. I think I'm gonna go for toast, you go for toast. Oh, the tone. By the way, it's not by the way, this is going to be very hard for for Gregory over here because you have toast in one scenario, and you have card the other one. It's the two things he loved main drags. Yeah. All right. So let's get to him. Gregory. How are you voting? This is so fi choice here. This is not this is because when I heard toast owes real excited, but I realize that you've been a toast like the activity, you do it maybe a wedding or or of mass promotion in that scenario. You guys didn't ask about it. But you have a constant supply of toast. So that's gonna make it a little harder for you. Free toast for for life. Wow. Yeah. It's only by a small margin because I was definitely say margarine great on toast. I was because I was going with the toast. I was ready to go. But then I remembered that my current car is a dead turtle. And so I was like that. Definitely good trait. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good trait. Right. And they have a great story. I mean they were on for. Long time. They have a really funny stories. Yeah. No. That's the cod. Try and sell for million dollars. All right. All right. Well, let's tell up the points baron. You voted for the car and Gregor? You also voted for the car, and let's see Denny you voted for. What did you toast? The toast figured. I know I'm pretty bad at giving us, but I'll get better you'll have better better practice. Yeah. You might be the best added by the end of your life, Toastmasters even. Yeah. So toast master. Yeah. In any case. Let's see if you vote for Flintstone. You got one point if you vote for toasty get two points. Okay. You're a winner. Denny. Wow. Congratulations. And that's how we play. Would you rather? You want? Well, I think the snake minimum is given to me. Yeah. Gosh. Wow. That was a competitive game berry and Gregory. I gotta say you have the wisdom of Solomon with that. You you Wade both. And is this is a very tough one for you. Both parts of those babies that baby. Well, yeah. No, no down thinking. I'd. I need to get some o- toast. You know? You know, this was all just fun games. You didn't actually trade. You're dead. Turtle way. What this is just it was a fun game that we played you didn't literally try to play those kind of games. Oh. Does it come out of my mouth is real? All right, Gregory. I'm just saying, you know, we were it's like when you play risk. You don't you know, annex Russia yourself, you don't you don't get to keep Russia. You know? Are you gonna be okay? Are you right now? You're crying out what? No. Because I thought my left change back down. I was like this is it. I got the big woman to ditch Dennis hurdle change previous again. But on the big one, it's a pretty turtle mcgeough will take this turtle next time. You see me up from you. Go see me something. Nice and be riding in it. Yeah. And it might just sell it until then you can try to ride this turtle. Although it seems it mobilized you. So when does the Waco turtles wake up they sleep for about six hours of say? All right, this we're going on twelve year. But he's gonna wake up anytime soon. I doubt that turtles the Waco. Yeah. I don't know about that. Look, we're running out of time ourselves speaking, which but we have time for one last feature on the show, and that's a little something called plugs. These. Two. No, it was beautiful that was don't waste this plug time by a shiny object. They've submitted before very good. Very good. All right. What do we plug in Barron me? Well, the new negroes on comedy central in be ET, April nineteenth at eleven April nineteenth just a few short days away. I can't I'm counting the days. It's a good show. I saw the first one in you should too because I laughed. It's got some great people on it. So check that out. All right. Gregory. What are you plug in here? You gotta turtle turtle. I gotta tell you less than a PC cafe because I go to check my emails to see if my kids have accepted, my friend quest. Still not a what to the site twitch dot TV news God on the if dis if d ez he's real funny guy. Really enjoy the funny name because it's like these nuts. He's trying to imply early everyone who inches that man's Chet says. But it really is just a play on when that guy if he his mom used to call them if dog and then when snoop Dogg started doing the diesel shift. So he was like, oh, I guess update it too if DS, and that's just been as gaming name forever. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. You're fan of this person a fan of he has a podcast called nerd, if isn't that drops on Tuesdays and candy dinner with man up DACA on Mondays cool. He's cool guy. You should follow him. And if you need to buy turtle Email me at Gregory, you have a car and need to buy turtle. You wouldn't you wouldn't take money for this car? I have I have ten thousand dollars. I'm willing to give you for this. Turtle. But no vehicle. I can't give the vehicle I have no way home that might have to pass. Okay. All right. So just fun me. All right. We were playing we were. It was another round of will. He take the turtle. I unfortunately, do not get the turtle one of our favorite features on this show. Just Gregory g one-two-three ABC edgy mail fund me g ABC one-two-three. Office Anita see picture of the car before my way, and you'll send back a picture of the turtle Nelson Becca picture of the two. Okay. And it'll be unique picture. It'll be unique picture not to say, you're not gonna reuse. Same picture this show different angles. Turtles going to change. Good. All right. And I wanna plug. Let's see I'll be cluster fest. There will be a live comedy bang bang cluster fest in June that'll be fun June. I think June twenty two or twenty three something like that. So check us out there. I'm also doing alive. Are you talking Romy out there without him, Scott? Okay. And Denny well, what do you plug in here? Oh, I'd like to plug a show called troopers on college humor's subscription service dropout. I think the second episode came out today. Okay. I was under house. Yeah. Tech stay special who will under house, and it was playing. It's fun. Okay. You ever seen like a wicked witch under house often that would be another genre of person, you got the animal control people, the plumbers Plum, we could lead them wicked witches. It's one of the three usually. Yeah. Interesting. So that's the only thing you're plugging. Yeah. And then. You know, Asian af at UCB theater Sunday nights anything on Sunday nights on a television station family kinda hangs out. And you know, we're on around dinnertime on Sundays. We're really on. We usually tell a pretty concise story with a lot of jokes. Okay. Great. All right. So check that out. All right. Let's close the old plug, man. I do. Yes. Could be twice as long now. I'm enjoying it so much I really turned a corner on that. By the way, I'm gonna give you an extra plug outside of our plugs. What was that Email address again, Gregory, Gregory g g ABC one two three Gregory, g one-two-three ADC edgy Mel dot com. Send us a bigger of your car, and you'll send back at unique picture of a dead turtle. Yes. Okay. And that's a promise. That's a problem. All right. Very good guys. I wanna thank you so much Barron. Always great to see you could see Scott and Gregory good luck with your journey. And by the time, I see you next. You'll be on riding around and something else. I hope. Odd guarantee. It's okay. And Danny you have you all color has has dropped out of your. I'm like I need a ride to the hospital. I'm sorry. All we have is dead. Turtle here. Can I get a ride Metron started up after this? How are you going to do that with stick something in it Ripcord? Yeah. Yeah. You gotta you gotta tickle the size. All right. We'll see XM. Thanks bye. Everyone. 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Abraham Shakespeare

True Crime Fan Club Podcast

29:40 min | 4 months ago

Abraham Shakespeare

"Explicit content is found in this episode so listener discretion is advised. Welcome back to the true crime. Fan club. podcast. I'm your host laney. Some of us dream of winning the lottery. You know having millions to make our lives easier to lavish extravagant gifts on our family and friends and to take time off of work but many winners of the lottery find that it's not all sunshine and roses and study show that seventy percent of winner's are broke within seven years of winning. Well for those who live that is okay onto the show. Abraham shakespeare was forty one years old in two thousand six. He was working at eight dollar an hour job. As a delivery man for food delivery service. He owed back child support and had been arrested for multiple crimes throughout the years. These crimes consisted of seven felony. Charges and three misdemeanors was living with his mother and did not have a car on november fifteenth. Two thousand six. He and his co worker stopped at a convenience store to pick up drinks and cigarettes his coworker. Michael ford asked abraham needed anything. And abraham asked him to purchase a couple of quick pick lottery tickets that night the winning numbers of six twelve thirteen thirty four forty two and fifty two were announced abraham had won the thirty million dollar lottery a few days later their boss told michael that abraham had one abraham took the payout in a lump sum of nearly seventeen million dollars after taxes abraham wound up with around eleven million dollars abraham. Pay the back. Child support do and created a trust fund for his son. He gave his stepfather. A million dollars and three stepsisters. Each a quarter of a million dollars. He spent nearly three hundred thousand dollars in paying mortgages for three different people. He barely knew he bought a lake house for one hundred and twenty five thousand although he had only seen at once he then rented it to people he had only met once he gave his nephews. Best friend forty thousand dollars then gave his own mother. Twelve thousand dollars and his sister ten thousand dollars. He paid to have people buried whose families couldn't afford the expense. Abraham bought himself two thousand six ford pickup and a two thousand seven. Bmw seven fifty. I and new home. The home was a lavish sixty five hundred square foot home in a gated community. The home had to two car. Garages a pool and surveillance system. Three months after he purchased the home. Abraham was sued by. michael ford. Who claimed the winning lottery ticket was his. And abraham had stolen it. Michael had demanded a million dollars from a ham. Saying if he didn't receive it he would sue. Abraham abraham refused and was eventually served papers. The case hinged on the testimony of the pairs coworkers each of the five testify that michael had originally stated he purchased tickets for abraham and then only changed his story leader. Michael said when he purchased tickets he put them in his wallet then placed the wallet in the glovebox when he searched for them later. He could not find them assuming that he had lost them. It was only later when he found out. Abraham had one that he realized he must have stolen them during the trial abraham brought a trash bag stuffed with thousands of lottery tickets he said he had purchased over the years the jury ruled in favor of abraham. Although michael appeal the decision which dragged on for several years the last hearing was scheduled for may twenty seventh. Two thousand nine abraham was a no show family and friends at last. Seen abraham in april. Two thousand nine on november ninth two thousand nine. His family reported missing the poll county sheriff's office and he similar two thousand nine. One of abraham's friends at dixon told reporters and investigators. They needed to ask quote that white woman about abraham's whereabouts eddie was talking about therese donnegan more otherwise known as d and two thousand nine. She was thirty seven and had met abraham the year before she met him through his realtor. Barbara jackson when barbara medea at a business conference didi was in a wheelchair. Barbara had just told a small group of people including didi all. About abraham and how his views on money had changed her own deedee told barbara she was a writer and wanted to do a story about her. And abraham she expanded and set it might even turn into a book. Barbara arranged a meeting for deedee at his house. Wendy arrived she was driving a hummer. She got out of the hummer wearing heels and walking. It had been barely two weeks since barbara had met de. Who told her. She had healed herself through scuba therapy de quickly inserted herself into abraham's life and december two thousand eight abraham liquidated a quarter million dollar annuity fund and gave the cash deedee. She deposited this money into a business account for american medical professionals. A business she ran. She told police. This money was for taxes. Abraham astra to pay however the money was actually used to make payroll and other business expenses. She purchased his one point. One million dollar home on january ninth two thousand nine for six hundred and sixty five thousand dollars. Allegedly giving him five hundred thousand and cash on january. Eleven th two thousand. Nine abraham signed quit claim deeds for additional properties on january fifteenth abraham signed an asset purchase agreement selling all of his unincorporated assets over to american medical professionals for one hundred eighty. Five thousand dollars. These were loans to multiple people when adding all the real estate and the loans together didi moore had purchased three and a half million dollars in assets for less than five cents on the dollar on february ninth. She became the primary manager of abraham shakespeare llc a corporation she created. She bought the deaths of people who owed him money. Eight people in total over half a million dollars those people than owed the debt to her on february tenth two thousand nine abraham closed an annuity account with prudential and created a business account at bank of america under the name abraham shakespeare llc d provided bank of america with minutes of the board of the llc and had abraham's name added as a signatory on the account on february seventeenth. Didi contacted the bank again with additional meeting minutes. She was the only one who attended the meeting. These minutes documented the discovery of criminal activity by abraham which could result in criminal charges. Dd explains he needs to be removed as a signatory on february thirteenth. Two thousand nine. Dvd's seventeen year marriage was dissolved in divorce on february. Eighteenth two thousand nine. The first of many large withdrawals happened in the bank of america account to separate quarter million checks were written on the account. One was made payable to a stat and the other was made payable to the internal revenue service but was deposited into the business account of american medical professionals. Llc on february nineteenth and february twenty third to additional withdrawals were made two hundred thousand dollars and a quarter million dollars. These were both payable to american medical professionals. To twenty thousand dollar checks were written to judy. Haggi ends and de howard stencil. The irs was paid twenty thousand as well in april two thousand nine. American medical professionals used money from the bank of america account to purchase a home on highway sixty east for approximately two hundred fifty thousand dollars. A stat used part of its quarter million to an account at the navy. Federal credit union. An additional seventy thousand dollars from the aced account was used to acquire the residence on the highway. Sixty an additional seventy thousand dollars from the east at account was used to acquire the residence on highway sixty. Dd used shell. game for. Abraham's vehicles as well and two thousand seven abraham had purchased two thousand seven bmw seven fifty ally for roughly one hundred thousand dollars he also purchased a two thousand ford f one fifty truck on january twenty nine two thousand nine. Dd purchased a two thousand nine lincoln m. k. s. under the abraham shows fair. Llc name later that same day she treated the lincoln to abraham for the bmw then titled the bmw and her boyfriend's name on february twenty first. Dd two thousand eight corvette for her boyfriend paying nearly seventy one thousand dollars for the car using a cashier's check from american medical professionals on april fourteenth. Two thousand nine. She traded the lincoln and for a two thousand nine chevy silverado. She was given thirty one thousand dollars for the lincoln and paid the remaining fourteen thousand in cash in that same month didi concent- oria butler. The mother of abraham's infant son and told her abraham had left the truck for her d. picks in toria Ben took her to the truck however on may tenth two thousand nine one of dvd's associates took the truck back using power of attorney in june. Two thousand nine. Dd sold the truck at the chevy dealership for nine thousand dollars. She signed the title as the ceo of abraham shakespeare llc. She was not on member. Third two thousand nine. She sold the bmw for thirty seven thousand dollars at a dealership on december fifth. Two thousand nine didi took her ninety thousand two thousand nine hummer to the chevy dealership and said she needed cash fast. She offered it to them for forty nine thousand. They refused due to the economy. One of the owners friends was there and offered to buy the hummer. She asked him for three different checks. One for five thousand made out to her one for four thousand made out to her mother. Then another for forty nine thousand made out to her in the fall of two thousand nine. When news of abraham's disappearance became more widely known deedee told three separate reporters. She could arrange interviews for them. With abraham views never materialized on december fifth. Two thousand nine d contacted the ledger and sobbing. Lee confessed to helping abraham quote disappear because people try to suck money out of him. Abraham's mother elizabeth said. This could have been possible because he told her once he wanted to go to jamaica. Dd also explained. Abraham wanted to leave because he was being named as the father of a child born after he won the lottery and was falling behind on that child support. Dd cry to reporters. Not because was worried. About abraham but because she was worried about herself she was upset because they had interrogated her. They searched her hummer and they searched her home the home that had once belonged to abraham they were looking for blood or other traces of abraham investigators had also analyzed her hard drive. She had also taken a polygraph exam. As police delved into her background they found she had a somewhat shady background in two thousand one. She had a new thirty six thousand lincoln navigator and owed forty six thousand on it. She took her car to a garage in pasco county then had a friend driver to an area outside of tampa. The friend tighter up tossed her in a ditch and left climbed out of the ditch and stopped a car driving by. She told them she had been kidnapped and raped by three latino males who then her navigator obviously didi created the scheme so the insurance company would pay for her. Stolen navigator. Didi was oblivious as to the level of the investigation against her until mid to late december november eleventh two thousand nine cedric eat him was interviewed by investigators. Cedric told them. He was abraham's cousin and the last time he had seen abraham was in april of that year he said he had received text messages from abraham. But that was it. Cedric told investigators. The only person who had contact with abraham was didi more cedric discussed. How d- had purchased all of abraham's assets and was then living in abraham's house cedric expressed to the detectives that he thought something bad had happened to abraham and that. Dd had something to do with it. He told them one time. Deedee had paid him five thousand dollars to hand deliver a birthday card to abraham's mother elizabeth walker the card was allegedly from abraham abraham had given a white crown victoria sedan to his cousin as well as a home in early november. The vehicle was impounded by the police. Department didi more retrieve the vehicle but to return it to cedric. After she gave the car back to cedric his story changed about dede. Having anything to do with abraham's disappearance he leader admitted he was uncooperative and changed his story multiple times trying to get the car back and the house transferred into his name. Judy huggins was initially considered a person of interest in abraham's disappearance. She known him for about fifteen years and after he won the lottery had stepped in to help with collecting money from the many loans he provided to people once he disappeared. She helped dd with the same job except the loans had been purchased by deedee. She also drove abraham's mother. Sean chris nikki was dvd's boyfriend. The pair had met in october. Two thousand six and moved in together in january two thousand seven at the time of the disappearance he was not formally employed and worked for didi managing one of her many businesses. D howard stood soul was an attorney. Who claimed he worked for more. And abraham shakespeare he had created many of the documents for their financial dealings he told police he had last spoken with abraham on october. Six two thousand nine a claim later. Proven patently false. As the investigation progressed satori contacted the lakeland police and advice them. Didi moore had contacted her with an odd offer. D. had said she would sign over a two hundred fifty thousand dollar house to sin toria if she would just tell people she had. Seen abraham recently investigators urged her to play along and record any other phone calls with didi investigations into abraham cellphone records. Show that prior to april. Six two thousand nine. His cell phone was used consistently after this date at seven. Fifty eight pm. His cell phone was rarely used a review of deedee cellphone records. Show that after this date. She didn't call abraham cell phone for a month and the eight months that followed his disappearance and the investigation. She only placed four calls to his phone although she had made thirty six calls to his phone. Between april first and april six ds phone was typically inactive from ten to eleven pm until seven or eight. am each day on april six. Approximately four hours. After abraham's phone went silent didi received a call from her boyfriend at eleven forty eight pm. She then received a fifty three minute phone call from jeudy huggins at two oh eight. Am on april third. Two thousand nine. Abraham signed a power of attorney. Judy hagans. It was notarized by ambrose abraham who was present during the signing and said abraham was present as well. Judy never saw abraham again on the same day. Abraham and judy were at the notary didi was having a concrete driveway port at the home on highway sixty east in plant city. Dds the contractors about pouring a thirty thirty slab behind the home. She also purchased tobacco that day. The next day was the last time. Abraham was seen by his friends. Greg massey and poppy seed. This episode is brought to you by better help. Is there something that interferes with your happiness. Worst preventing you from achieving your goals. Trust me i have been there. And i still struggle with these issues but better help online. Counseling is there for you like it's been there for me. You can connect your professional counselor and a safe and private online environment which is so convenient for me and it really makes me feel comfortable. You can now get help time and at your own pace you can schedule secure video or phone sessions plus chat and text with your therapist whenever you need to. 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The thirty by thirty slap poured behind the home on ably teen papi received a text from abraham cell phone. That said i'm fine. Just got myself into more trouble than usual. My new bookie bumped my head real hard. I'll be back. Just gotta fix some things. I have power of attorney to collect for me. Just while i'm gone. If you can pay me off. It will help a lot of problems. As law enforcement began to investigate abraham's disappearance. They spoke with his attorney. D howard stitz. All who's law office just happened to be the same address on highway sixty east when they spoke to him on november eleven. Two thousand nine. He said he had spoken with abraham on october six. When asked how he was sure he was speaking to abraham. He said he knew abraham well and recognized his voice however on december third when investigators spoke with didi more. She admitted abraham's phone had been with her since april therefore the phone had been with her when she and d howard said they had spoken with abraham tober. Six didi said the attorney had agreed to lie. The law enforcement investigators had dv called d howard and expressed concern over the lie. He never admitted he lied to investigators but instead told deedee she needed to stop talking to the police on december eleventh. Judy haggen spoke with gregory. T smith a friend of abraham who was acting as an informant for the poll. County sheriff's office. Judy told gregory that. In march abraham had approached her and said he was worried about. Dvd's management of his money. Judy related this information to didi who told her not to. Let abraham go to the bank. Because some of his money was gone. Gregory smith had started working with the police after investigators discovered that he had been making phone calls for de more to various people posing as abraham in one of these calls. He had called abraham's mother while she was eating with. Dd in january. Two thousand nine d. Ask gregory if he knew anyone who would be willing to claim they had murdered someone. An undercover officer met with didi acting as a man who was facing a lengthy sentence in prison. The officer told didi say he had killed someone for monetary compensation. Dd agreed to pay him. Fifty thousand dollars for admitting this the officer said he would need to know the location of the victim so we could tell investigators and didi said she would give this information to gregory leader. She told gregory she was in possession of the gun used in the murder on january twenty fifth. Dd contacted gregory and met with him three separate times at the first meeting. She advised him. She was going to get the firearm and give it to him at the second meeting. She handed the weapon to him at the third meeting. She pointed him to the concrete slab. And said abraham was buried under it. She then directed gregory to her white trailer on the property where he found several gallons of bleach gloves and a metal trough on january. Twenty six two thousand. Ten to search warrants were executed on the property at fifty seven thirty two highway sixty east and in the home investigators interviewed d howard stencil who had been renting an office at the residence since late may or early june. The interview occurred at his attorney's office since his office was being searched. Investigators determined that he knew about abraham's disappearance yet had conducted transactions and made court appearances on abraham's behalf therefore police believed he might have been involved in the murder but at the very least was possibly involved in fraud on january. Twenty eighth two thousand ten investigators spoke with james more. Dvd's ex husband. He told them she had asked him. What type of equipment. She should use to clear the land. He recommended a tractor with attachments. But she purchased a case backhoe she paid james one hundred dollars to pick it up with his trailer and deliver it to her. She also asked him to dig the hole and told him how big she regionally wanted the whole right at the back door but he advised against it she then elected to dig it farther back on the property. Once he finished digging he left only for her to call him a few hours later and ask him to come. Cover it back up. It was dark when he covered it up. So he didn't see a body thinking it was chunks of concrete deedee told investigators. She asked james to dig the hole for trash however after more questioning. She admitted abraham's body was in the whole. She insisted james was not aware of the body when he filled in an autopsy revealed that abraham had been killed by two gunshot wounds from thirty eight caliber weapon. Ballistics tests revealed that the bullets recovered from abraham's remains match round. Shot from dvd's pistol dd admitted. She was present during abraham's murder but provided multiple scenarios as to who actually committed the murder in her first account she stated drug dealers had accompanied abraham to her office trying to get around two hundred thousand dollars at abraham had stashed there while they're the drug dealers one of whom she recalled as ronald took her pistol which was unsecured in her office. They shot abraham and left the problem with this was. She had admitted to gregory. That ronald was a fictitious person. She also told investigators her fourteen year old son had killed abraham. She also said abraham's cousin killed him. She killed him in self defense and d howard. Stelzer killed him. Police found no evidence linking anyone else to the slaying ninth in got two strikes team. Okay i watch a lot. And the guy's name is so i just took to shoot them and i seen it happens to you. She said my son. Rj shot abraham twice. Abraham was trying to choke me. Rj walked in. The room grabbed my gun and shot him. He was only protecting me like any sun would do unsurprisingly didi more was found guilty of first degree murder and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole in two thousand nineteen. She wrote the judge a letter stating quote. I'm truly sorry to the prosecutor abraham's mom and others at i have heard for not being truthful. I regret my actions however she did not apologize for the murder. She also said gregory smith was the one who actually killed abraham because abraham was having an affair with. Gregory's wife dis attorneys. Never brought this up during the trial and never questioned anyone who could have verified this version of events. Judy huggins was granted immunity for her testimony against eating. More abraham's murderer is just one example of white. Many people advocate for the privacy of lottery winners. Abraham was a good hearted man albeit one who could not read and was too trusting didi more saw an opportunity and took it robbing the man of the scant. Winning see have loved when he started getting suspicious. She turned to murder leaving an intricate web of lies to abraham's family and friends in doing so. She stole more than money. Taking beloved son friend and father from the lives of many cave fan club members as i conclude this episode. My one question to you is how will you sleep tonight. Thank you for listening. If you enjoyed the episode. Please leave a positive review in rating on apple. Podcast or your podcast player of choice. It really does help. You can find some more social media channels twitter at t. cfc pod facebook dot com slash. Tfc podcast instagram. At true crime vehicle pod and of course our website is true crime. Fan club dot com. If you have an episode request send us an email. Tfc pot and she mel dot com. This episode was researched and written by. 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US Executive Orders against TikTok, WeChat. Chimera takes chip IP. Intel data leaked. Texting Rewards for Justice. Coordinated inauthenticity. Magecarts homoglyph attacks.

The CyberWire

24:30 min | 1 year ago

US Executive Orders against TikTok, WeChat. Chimera takes chip IP. Intel data leaked. Texting Rewards for Justice. Coordinated inauthenticity. Magecarts homoglyph attacks.

"Everybody Dave here with an exciting announcement. We are pretty thrilled to tell you about the launch of our new newsletter. It's called creating connections and it's focused on connecting women in the cybersecurity field all across the globe. The official launch date is August third and we will continue publishing monthly on the first Monday of every month brought to you by the women in the industry our very own ladies here at the cyber wire, you are invited to join our League of Cyber Women and create lasting connections learn more and subscribe at the cyber wire dot com slash CC subscribe. That's the cyber wire dot com slash CC subscribe. President trump issues, executive orders, restricting TIKTOK, and we chat in the US. A Chinese AP. T has been active in industrial espionage against Taiwan semiconductor. Industry Intel sustains a leak of sensitive company intellectual property rewards for justice communicated to Russian and Iranian individuals by text message who were naked in authenticity from Romanian actors. Probably, criminals made card moves to Hoaglund attacks Craig Williams from Cisco, Talos on ransomware campaigns making use of maize and snake malware. Our guest is Monica Ruiz from the Hewlett Foundation Cyber, initiative on the potential for volunteers, cyber workforce, and sorry meade there are limits to telework. and. Now a word from our sponsor extra securing modern business with cloud native network detection and response. The massive shift to remote work has the reality of work on its head with cloud and multi cloud adoption comprehensive visibility is more important than ever but in order to protect your business, you need more than unified visibility you need intelligence response workflows. So teams can collaborate easily an act quickly. Extra hop helps organizations like wizards of the coast detect threats up to ninety five percent faster as John crease senior it engineer puts it quote extra hop is helping US accelerate cloud adoption by ensuring our workloads our secure. See. How it works in the full product demo free and no forms required at extra hop dot com slash cyber. That's extra hop dot com slash cyber, and we thank extra for sponsoring our show. Funding for this cyber wire podcast is made possible in part by last pass. Last passes an award-winning security solution that helps millions of individuals over seventy thousand organizations navigate their online lives easily and securely businesses can maximize productivity while still maintaining. Strong security with last pass. Last past can minimize risk and give your it team up breakthrough integrated single sign on password management and multi factor authentication solution. From the cyber wire studios at data tribe I'm Dave Bittner with your cyber wires summary for Friday August seventh twenty twenty. US President Trump yesterday issued two executive orders that impose new limitations on Chinese own social media, APPS Tiktok, and we chat. We chat is a subsidiary of ten cent tick tock of Bite dance and both parent companies are mentioned in the orders. The Wall Street Journal summarizes the effect of the orders as prohibiting anyone in the United States or subject to US jurisdiction from conducting transactions with the owners of the two services, the ban will become effective forty five days from the date of the executive orders, which unless we've miscounted puts the deadline on September twentieth. This could prevent US citizens from downloading the APPs from such sources as Google play or the apple store, and also puts a deadline on Microsoft's possible acquisition of Tiktok. Both executive orders stated as an official finding that quote additional steps must be taken to deal with the national emergency with respect to the information and communications technology and services. Supply chain declared an executive order thirteen, eight, seventy, three, of May Fifteenth two, thousand, nineteen securing the information and communications technology and services supply chain and quote. Both of the APPs represent a threat because they automatically capture vast amounts of information from their users and the data they collect are in principle accessible to the Chinese Communist, party and Chinese government intelligence. Both social platforms, the orders say actively censored domestic dissent in China and TIKTOK has been active in spreading covid nineteen disinformation on behalf of the Chinese government. The order affecting we chat in aside sites restrictions, India, and Australia have placed on the APP as an indication that the US isn't alone in seeing a problem with Chinese data collection practices. The Secretary of Commerce will be in charge of implementation and enforcement. TIKTOK which has moved data formerly held in US servers to servers in Ireland objected to the executive order in a strongly worded statement issued this morning the company sees what it views as a lack of due process. As most objectionable quote we are shocked by the recent executive order which was issued without any due process for nearly a year we have sought to engage with the US government in good faith to provide a constructive solution to the concerns that have been expressed. What we encountered instead was that the US administration paid no attention to facts dictated terms of an agreement without going through standard legal processes and tried to insert itself into negotiations between private businesses and quote. The statement also includes an explicit denial of the specific accusations of the order quote we have made clear that Tiktok has never shared user data with the Chinese government nor censored content at its request and quote. And of course, the statement urges all of the American users and creators who've been engaged with Tiktok to write their elected representatives. We've found no comparable statement from we chat. At black hat yesterday researchers at security firm site craft described Chinese Government Threat Group CHAMARA that successfully targeted Taiwan semiconductor industry, or pillaged. The industry as wired puts it. Their goal was source code, chip designs, software development kits, and similar intellectual property. Sight craft calls the action against chip manufacturers operations skeleton key after its use of skeleton key injector, which implanted a skeleton key into domain controllers, servers to enable persistence and continuous lateral movement. Its ability to make direct SIS calls enabled it to bypass security systems additionally by making direct six calls the malware could bypass security systems dependent on API. The operators principal remote access Trojan was cobalt strike used to establish a back door into victim systems for exfiltration trump uses what site craft called an old and patched version of Rar. There was also a significant loss of Ip from California based Intel Company has suffered a breach that costed twenty gigabytes of sensitive corporate intellectual property from Intel x confidential lake cyber scoops says Intel's investigating but that a corporate representative said quote, we believe in individual with access downloaded and shared this data in quote. The data dump was announced in a tweet by an IT consultant who goes by the handle tilly thirteen twelve Katamon Hashtag blm. Tilly Thirteen twelve cotton blm software engineer based in Switzerland has some role in the incident discoverer leaker security researcher or middle person. But exactly what is in clear according to ars? Technica Tilly Thirteen twelve Katamon promise that there would be more leaks to come. Security Week says that the same person has been connected with other earlier leaks proprietary source code from well known companies including Microsoft Adobe Disney and Nintendo to name a few. Most of the information, tilly thirteen twelve Kauffman said comes from improperly configured or exposed devops infrastructure. Much of the incident has called the material lost classified or confidential or secret. Some clarification is in order the information is corporate proprietary and sensitive, but not apparently classified in the formal governmental sense. The US State Department reward being offered for information concerning attempts to hack US elections has been communicated in some surprising places. Reuters reports the text messages communicating the offer and linked to rewards for justice have been turning up in Iranian and Russian devices who sent the texts isn't clear but there speculation that the messaging was done on behalf of the US government US cyber, command referred writers to the State Department and State, had nothing to say. According to The Washington, Post facebook has disabled a Romanian network that was sending authentic messages expressing implausible support for president trump one would have to be naive indeed to uncritically swallow report that former President Obama and former first lady Michelle Obama had thrown their wholehearted support to the reelection of president trump. The motivation is as likely to be financial fraud as it is influence. malware bytes, reports, and ongoing series of Hamas attacks, which substitutes similar characters into familiar domain names. The activity appears linked to major cart and it shows the gang evolving to take advantage of similarities among Turkish, Cyrillic and other international character sets with the to us more familiar Roman letters. And finally as remote work increasingly looks likely to become an important part of the new normal. The US National Security Agency has said that it's expanding its telework capabilities with the twenty twenty one adoption of. Microsoft. Office three, sixty, five to support unclassified work FCW. Reports. But to rumors that NSA is going to open up its top secret cloud to remote work the agencies Ao Gregory Smith Berger said No. That's just not a thing and why not? Because come on friends, there's just some kinds of work that you can't phone in. And now a word from our sponsor, observe it with distributed workforce becoming the new norm. Many organizations are forced to learn how to manage mission critical functions remotely, which brings a unique set of insider threat challenges to the four whether it's careless users, disgruntled employees or third party contractors. Insiders have access to sensitive data on networks that are likely less secure, introducing new risks to. Your Business. To protect against these new threats proof points observant insider threat management solution empower security teams to identify user risk protect from data exfiltration and accelerate incident response. So you can better protect your organization from insider risk get your free trial at observance dot com slash cyber wire that's observe it dot com slash cyber wire and we thank observe it for sponsoring our show. My guest today is Monica Louise. She's a cyber initiative and Special Projects Fellow at the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation who are financial supporters of the cyber wire. Our conversation explores the notion of a common volunteer cyber workforce. The idea that citizens with expertise and cybersecurity could volunteer or be called upon to respond to cyber incidents much the same way of volunteer firefighter brigade functions some suggest it could be modeled after the old merchant marine where civilians with specific expertise could be temporarily called in by their government to support the common. Good. One of the things that I often time say when I explained this constant cyber volunteer units, the fact that they are complex challenges in Cyber Defense. So you know, we have resources and talents constraints in the public sector, we have competitive private sector salaries that impede government recruitment, retention, and we have four cyber hygiene or awareness in our societies, and so all of those realities that have existed for years have really brought to bear the need to integrate outside talent into public sector cyber defense. You know when I think about volunteer organizations in communities, there's. Several things that come to mind. I think of volunteer firemen I, think of things like the National Guard, which isn't a volunteer necessarily but I, also think of things like the the ham radio operators who come in times of say there's a hurricane or something like that they they step up and provide communications are are any of those models along the lines of the possibilities here with cyber. Yes, I think. So Dave and just to add two more models to that for example, we have the the seventeenth century. US minute right were civilian colonists who formed militias during the American Revolutionary War and there were known as being ready at a minute's notice or you have the civil air patrol that was created in nineteen forty two. That was initiated by roughly a hundred and fifty thousand aviation enthusiast who convinced the government to incorporate the formerly and so all the models that you just made reference to in these to pass examples that I just said really goes to the to the root of all this, which is you know someone. Need to serve their country and appealing to someone sense of duty and I do think that applies in cyber context if you are an individual that has the skill sets and you want to help. There needs to be a way to allow you to do that and I. Think an example of that was, for example, in two thousand, twelve falling hurricane sandy more than nine hundred people from New York startup community signed up to coordinate efforts online but a lack of a framework really prevented them from getting involved and being more affected than their efforts and so I think the overlying. The common denominator in all of the examples we just made reference to is appealing to someone sense of duty and building the infrastructure for them to be able to be operationalized for the good. Are there any examples out there of communities that are already doing this some some good samples that you can build on sure and so I. Really extensive we about the Estonian Defensive Cyber Defense Unit. So that's more of an international model but it's probably best to to highlight some of the models that have already been put in place in the US context, and so one of the earliest ones that I found that shares many similarities with the Estonian Defensive Cyber Defense Unit is the Michigan Cyber civilian, corps that was created in two thousand thirteen and this model is essentially A. Group of train civilian technical experts who volunteer to provide rapid response assistance to the state. Of Michigan in the event of a critical cyber incident and its mission is essentially to provide mutual aid in the event this incidents at all levels of government education and business organizations, and so that's one of the models that has really informed what other states are doing You also have the Ohio Cyber Reserve which was created in two thousand nineteen, and what was interesting about Hieaux oh did is that they set up the Cyber Collaboration Committee to determine what the state needed in were improve it cybersecurity training. And it was interesting because this mapped the current cyber security gaps in the state so that then the Ohio cybersurfers can can help serve as an extended response capability to fill those gaps. Can you point us in the direction of some resources if folks want to see what's available in their community or take a leadership role, try to get things started a good place for them to find out how to go about doing that. Sure So I would recommend individuals to contact their national guard offices. One of the issues that I've been researching is. Essentially, having the national guards serve as that vehicle that integrates outside talent given that it's uniquely positioned to do so because it has dual constitutional authorities and so I've seen a couple of states start using their national guard to start building these modeled. So depending on what state you're in contact, your National Guard learn whether they are also exploring these options and how you can get involved. Cyber threats are ongoing and increasing specially as Kobe forces, everyone into virtual settings, and so the three takeaways that I would love to leave everyone with one. To tap into diverse civilian talent. Second is that we need to find a way to integrate that talent for societal benefit and third is that we need to focus on the long term of these efforts. So training and cyber education and I do think cyber civilian units are uniquely positioned to address those three needs that just lead up. Our thanks to Monica Louise From Hewlett Foundation for joining us. There's an extended version of our interview available on cyber wire pro check out on our website, the cyber wire dot com. Everybody Dave here. As you know, we've been fortunate to have build a pretty influential audience over the years security leaders across the globe trust us and depend on us every day to deliver the news and analysis they need to do their jobs. And that's also why so many top security companies and hot startups trust us to connect them to the decision makers and influencers to help get the word out about their brand and fill their sales funnels. We've got lots of great sponsorship opportunities that can help you get the word out to. Just visit the cyber wire dot com slash sponsorship to learn more and connect with us. That's the cyber wire dot com slash sponsorship ex. And pleased to be joined. Once again by Craig Williams, he is the head of Talos outreach at Cisco Craig always great to have you back you and your team have been tracking some ransomware campaigns that have been making use of. The maze and the snake malware can you give us some insights? What's going on here? Yeah. So this is just one of the trends that are I are team has been tracking. You know across the Internet Cross data that they have ability to monitor, and it's it's something we became more and more concerned about due to the recent pandemic because we know a lot of people are working from home. Right, and so just a to the meat of it. Really what's happening is we're seeing attackers compromised systems, but instead of immediately deploying ransomware many are doing reconnaissance waiting. And if you think about it does make some sense rate if you think about. The way businesses are right now they may have security on the endpoint or limit the things at the end points can access. However, you know maybe in thirty days six months, ninety days. They may go back into the office they may reconnect those machines they may remove some of the security restrictions to help business, and so these attackers are not just immediately to point ransomware there some additional reconnaissance they're collecting credentials, they're collecting data, and then you know thirty days in the future or whatever you whatever flu attackers both there then deploying pointing the ransomware and then ensuring that can cause the most damage possible. That's fascinating. So the notion being here that if I'm able to hit your computer while you're working at home, let's say your laptop at some point odds are you may. Go back to the office reconnect to that corporate network is that is that what we're tracking here well, that's our concern right This isn't necessarily a new thing, but we're definitely seeing an increase of it. Now, that could be due to the fact that. Kobe nineteen Louis or to simply more effective. Right. That could account for it, but I'm also concerned with the attackers could be making more of a push towards getting into those. Data centers a little bit more effectively by collecting more information ahead of time, and so I think this is something that we need to make sure that our teams and security response teams are looking for you know look for people compromising the points. Assume. Credentials may be compromised a little bit more often than usual maybe even up your rotation a little bit. If you have the ability to do that, you know it's definitely something people need to worry about and if you don't have visibility onto the employment at something you need to start considering. Does does this reflect a an increase in the professionalism of these actors this? Their ability to to have more patience here to to bide their time. I think it does you know I don't know that that's necessarily a recent thing I think this has been going on for a while but I think the way that the lures are becoming more effective. The way that users are working from home. The way that security policies may have to be modified to facilitate working from home are definitely going to combine to make industry more vulnerable. So, as folks planning for their workers who come back to the office to re-engage to plug those systems back in connect to that corporate Wifi, what sort of things should be top of mind why segmentation is key right if there's no reason for users to be able to connect to certain machines that are sensitive, right like your backup servers don't let them right setup the access restrictions you need to prevent that from happening and even go one step further and try and make sure you have visibility into what's going on in the points. All right. Well, Craig. Williams Thanks for joining us. Thank you. And that's the cyber wire. Or links to all today's stories. Check out our daily briefing at the cyber wired dot com and for professionals and cybersecurity leaders who want to stay abreast of this rapidly evolving field sign up for cyber pro. 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Talkin' The Star: Defensive line discussion

Blogging the Boys

31:49 min | 1 year ago

Talkin' The Star: Defensive line discussion

"Hello everybody walking fast. Star and unearned. This is not the voice. You're used to hearing, but isn't a voice that you are giving. Today isn't Dalton Miller one of the CO host of the talking to star podcast. We do not have connor winters today. He is at his wedding venue. Not, getting married yet but he's there with all of the the wedding vendors. They're going through all the plans contingencies for if the weather doesn't cooperate, so he's a little bit busy, but it's me and Coal Patterson here today Cole. How are you doing doing pretty well? Man I Guess. We got it alone. Coroner on the show, but I think we can manage. I think we'll be okay I? Mean what we lose. A point four wartime guy like if that much, does he really. How much does he really to? It's probably running back over. All. Of Our show, there's no doubt about that. Yes so we are. We're continuing along with our. Previews of the twenty twenty Dallas Cowboys. We have done so far, Dan don's though far. I've done defensive backs with them. They've also done wide receivers. Tight ends and alternative line to I believe correct. Yes, yeah, we. Still, they've done all that still. We could talk about quarterbacking rolling back, but we don't really want to, so we're going to go to the defensive line. We're going to take care of these defense. Avenge are and the defensive tackles kind of talking about what we saw from group last year and what we might see from them. Are you know going forward and then we will do our? A roster predicts in our fifty, five, hundred fifty three are men. Depth chart attributions are as we go along so. I. Were there any surprises that you really got from those Defensive Ryan last June? Did you expect them to struggle against the run and struggle to get home against quarterback last year? Or. Did you think you know that could have been a little bit of a week? Yeah I mean obviously I think we are all excited about. Russian defenses is heading towards after that twenty eighteen. Obviously. We all know the Christmas card there's to be worth thinking to eat could be the next head. Coach of the cowboys Sarah Brady's. I really excited with his defense can do and then you kind thought like you said the divas kind of to back especially D ron and that run defense. System that has to do. Is Lane Vendor Missing Mercer this evening in Jalen Smith regretting some regards. But the deal I really do much, either especially against the run I mean Robert Quinn a really good additional roster. Stand especially when you consider the compensation they gave. Honesty that sticks crown. but I mean and Marc Lawrence demarcus Lawrence. You might not that crazy. Stack numbers that maybe challenge. And he's very good, obviously running the better in the league going. You said they weren't a strongest Iran They struggle to get off the field or you can. Beat that some of that can be. Obscene theorized committee guys a Ryan backers, expecting a little bit more Will fine markets ruins his back numbers. Our kind of disappointing that durant arms charring and take another job on I know he was a day through. Higher my opinion and other people were. All in are. It up I I was expecting more will say that West the. Yeah it was weird one last year because like. If you look at the path, rush win rate, which is a big one. That's you know kind of gaining steam narrow. You would see to defense vans. who were both fantastic? When it comes to meeting the man in front of them? So what happened when it comes to the past role? I think a lot of. It wasn't just wants him. Coordinated in their attack, they were able to to get pressure from multiple spots. Because most quarterbacks in the NFL, they can get away from that initial pressure on. It's the ability to to stack rushes together on a singular play that really you're. You're able to get those Those facts and with guys. That weren't really helping in the middle. Towers had a pretty pass. Rush win rate, but he's a bit out of control. Vote is a run defender and a pass rusher, and that really hurting defense a little bit I just don't help her of not having a ton of debt on the interior, and like you said. DOORKNOBS, Armstrong. Not really taking that next at the obviously didn't down rainy, Gregory They didn't have Obvi- Three Smith are so. I guess I'm really just wondering. was there anything rats here? Do you think that? Tyrone's Crawford in tyrone kloppers injury. Once a little bit. More substantial when it comes to. How did? Ten especially, the defense of line played the whole life here. Yeah for sure I. Don't think Tyron Crawford is the kind of recognition height, especially Nascar media especially, even with the cowboys fans in general. The Big Name Guy, he's not the flashy past three moves. Not GonNA put up crazy sack numbers or being highlight plays, but I do think he is the gorilla that defense he's Kinda guided brings everybody together and holds A. Everybody together I mean. I mean we've heard demarcus lawrence stocks hiree of them and really pretty much everybody else not have locker, and he has leaders papers kind of course. Jay, against these leaders ability You know reading here about asked him a lot of players, but I think it really is very beneficial. Crawford on the field for Dallas and. I don't know if he was the that Vegas greased in per se. But, I do think he is nice store with I. DO think that. There is the D. Misplace Nine Day within went dot com on their fear and I think they were her tremendously with our, and so I've I've seen Stewart talk about cutting, and and all that kind of stuff and I would agree that probably the cap numbers parts you is especially if he is a man, I remember hearing last running tear two acre like I Reckon and I guess lessening their pay if you can't i. don't see why. You would call him because what he brings to the table like I just. kind of the grew owning ever find together, and he's very good. He's very versus. How to play outside and he's Mary effective enduring so. Yeah I'm I'm in total agreement with you here. I think the loss tyrone crawl heard was being because like you said I mean I. It was really demarcus Lawrence on that defense that was the leader, and then behind him, or even at the same level as him from a leadership standpoint warns tyrone. Crawford some losing him. You lost out on that leadership voice that I think that they tried to fill that void with Jalen myth and it just didn't work out. And that for me is going to be a massive story line going forward. How does? The brand of Jalen Smith. Max with the rest of the defense going forward, because even part of it, and he's going to be a part of his defense for a while because the contract extension. I'm wondering if he's able to kind of tone down. The the advertising. And get a little bit more back on the message of what made us really large Jalen Smith in the first place is his. Genton, generosity and his genuine nick. Coming out of Notre Dame as why everybody really liked him on top of being the elite level player, he wasn't Notre Dame as well so I I do think that losing tyrone Paul from his beg especially, because like you said he did have bet inside out versatility, and when you were kind of lacking depth at both provision last year. I. Think that really did hurt now. Moving on a, we're going to talk a little bit I kind of wonder with typically. into the defensive tackles moving forward. And then we'll go to break and after the break. We'll talk about the defensive end. That might possibly make the team. And then. Yeah, we'll talk about all of the defense and then, and we'll get into the actual rock to predictions for who we think is GonNa, make this football team, so let's just quickly getting to the defected tackles. How do you mean what we lost from last year? What we picked up from this year is a net positive after this. Awesome. Yeah I. Mean I don't think are you? Can otherwise simply because of the fact you're adding to reject guys that detach. Jerry Mcclain Dante Thorough Obviously you can. Means that they're not, they're peaks careers anymore, but there's still an upgrade from team added that defensive tackle. Be for a while you gonNa hit our Marie kearns earlier consistencies at dude nature. McCoy's a huge upgrading. I don't regard at least I mean. He's very experienced. He's a veteran in the region economist, either when those battles in the trenches new spin very good where where he's been as done territory, impo isn't discourtesies me. Is Name Yes, the big name, but I I don't know if he's the superstar Deepak. We used to be back in a dairy. Kansas aiding everybody to very good pickup in his own right Let's say the one thing that's at least a looney concerning I. Probably Carnera article. Disputing this Garner showing riots be conservatives players out of the gate. How are they? Pour in McCoy struggled arm or distal, the enters defense struggle with. Am Corey on roster. However, I mean Mike Surfing. Coroner disputed that looking at the film saying about their phone that kind of different other factors, but answer your question. I do think it's an upgraded signing those two from Raleigh. Durham neighborly invested too many resources kind of like safety. In recent years and they also Nabil Gower warring in a third round a guy that I know a lot of people are much higher on and where he went in the draft, and we'll see what comes to answer on words if he is back on Enron or that. Situations bit tricky right now. Right new is overall net positive with darkness Houston. We've finally seen them. Go around and sign outside. Free agents finally get proven guys the plane that made that defense. The. demarcus lawrence than health in on a D line to get after the quarterback to. Prove that run defense, I do think it is a net positive i. do think the deep. The difference of line is our whole. will be better. Yeah, so that that question was interesting because he is. Antwan words that is is is not rested on the roster. Currently part of it, but. He is A. He's a restricted free agent, right? Situations kind of confusing. sinus endure so. I don't know it's interesting. On back in and be back, but I don't take marriage and this. Kind of how it seems for me as well and you know, even though the the defensive line we look at it last year. It probably wasn't as good as we would have liked it to be our when you look at you, know paths run when it comes to Dvr. Van Up being twenty first overall, they were actually fifteenth against the Roth and twenty third against the, and they were worse against the pack than the rush. Even there. We kind of perceived them. Being a bad run team Antoine. Woods was not a part of the problem when it came to defending the run on I think we can all kind of wheels to acknowledged that, so you would think that with the Guy Right Don's Harry Poe and. Antoine, if dark factor remain on the team now help. Now past that like. You look. Turnhill didn't give you anything as a rookie. I don't know how much he will ever give you but you hope be covered. The the physical profile looking possesses that he is able to become a player in the future. He didn't last year and I. Don't expect anything from this year. So. You're looking back at it. Losing Malinche Collins. In not that big a deal. At the end of the day, and like you said they picked up her, they picked up recording and and ended the day. That brings a little bit of readership. Arm and Aged? For for lack of a better term. When you're looking at defense. Secondary as heartily next, but the rescue guys young our first contract guys throughout the rest of the secondary. You work the linebackers. Gaillard's just got a second contracting in his fourth year. Layton Vandereycken in third year. Jared spent technically, and it's fit, but one year employees and then you have stolen read when he's coming off the burnt. So you have a lot of young guys that you have that veteran defensive line. You shouldn't have to worry about them being in the in the wrong place at the right time. That's me issue so I. DO think that they will improve harm last season. We're going to go to break. We'll be right back. We will talk about the defensive end and we will predict. The Rock Ter- from the deter on the t shirts event position. We are talking to star. We will be right back. And we are back. On Talking Star. We're talking about the Defensive Line Dallas cowboys today. Going through kind of what we saw from them, live here and what they lost to what they gain this season and we're going to predict. How Defensive Line is going to look win training camp and. Starting. Cole. How did you think these defended and own the whole performed last season? You have a kind of talked earlier this with their. Robert Quyen. demarcus warrants being the to I the Robert. Quinn grade was the big win for the categories and the fact that the only given experiment big. He gave them doubly tax and gave him a legitimate pass rusher. demarcus Lawrence, and then they got a carpet, or they're going to get a carpet for him as well because of mispronounce A very smart move by the team. He was to use a big time player for Dowers, defense and otherwise disappointing. In for many guys didn't stat. demarcus lawrence like demarcus Lawrence Amine. You know you're going to get from her. He's one of the best players across the league in our. Popping numbers in a sack category per se, but I mean he is. He's very good. Run he can get after the quarterback. Eat like you said. I mean he's kind of leader on his defense. He kinda makes his team go. especially in in its ventures other than that. We'd broke kind mentioning how doors Armstrong Dan really take the next job in his career granting viewers in day, three cores on accused the premium, selection or anything, but he in my opinion I thought. He throws her things is I? Kind of kind of hoping for more dowers, just me being optimistic or ride, but Not Seen and take the next step in his career was kind of disappointed for me. He really couldn't breakthrough in that rotation. Maybe you will run our new coaching staff just locked. Wait and see the crawl bird injury kind of hurt his team as well and not being on our on the field and contributing on that deadline kind of hurt their in positioning. say in Avenue in Gregory. Said I mean he was in on it team on Smith, not even daughter. Sober all. And everything faucet at Tom but I think. There's kind. Wasn't there. You know I mean you. Lawrenson is Quinn, and then you didn't really know what to expect from the others, and at least in my opinion, yeah, and on top of that you didn't have Robert like Robert Quinn as good as he was against the Passi was terrible against and. So you had that as well people you know, and and I think that's part of the reason why we didn't see them. Being tanked lords year, life even is because teams could simply just run away from him and be okay. Be In a better position, no matter what so. You were able to to kind of come around him tomorrow. Florence is still one of the. Most creative! Artists in the NFL when it comes to he have your leaves physical traits, but he has such fantastic technique when it comes to being a pass rusher when he's able to actually years back, and it really helps, but. At the end of the day is a great run-defender as well. And matins massive. and. That's why they're really not going to see much of a drop off this year even though. They do lose. Robert Win on the other side. They get back tyrone proper to play that defense advantage on base down. And then on top of that we're. We're looking guys. Like doorns Armstrong the backup all. Were hoping to get ready to Gregory back. I think Oldham's man's you complaining to right and the rest of us, truly two hundred and seventy five pounds I, mean should have the place strength to hold up playing. You know that not less thrive defensive end when when the margin Florida's needs are a rapper to war, or you know demarcus Lawrence if they wanna move him, around moved him near the right Friday some pass, rush down. Much. You can do with the guys at the garden. Especially, if a garlic rain, gregory is able to come back and be reinstated. You're looking at a team that that didn't matter. You know hardly any depth after defense events. In Twenty nineteen to having a permanent of interns who've and Derek in in twenty, twenty, one or twenty twenty. So you know with with that being said. who on the defense of Aaron? Slash Altai to rush types on football team come the fifty five man roster car. Starting Augustine, testing audience. Is Guidance I expect to make the team their big concerns them being away from football. Elliot's turns back to link. Get All. That kind of stuff must've area rules by dude think that didn't based on the and is based on article his face on way. Everybody's saying these things to be in the right. Mindset and he seems to really want to be in the Rio Grande football and everything. In mean, there's no denying. Talent I mean. Yes, he's been our league crap a decade, but is a proven guy is at least bring some valuable experience. An active. Do think he can lucky. I mean there's hardly anybody. And last year for the cowboys vs other guy, another weapon in the might Nolan Stack and throw it all so blind in offenses, and all that kind of stuff I do think he I don't think he's GonNa be a Scott Master anything right out of the game I. Think he's GonNa be pretty valuable to this defense Rainy Gregory of theatrics Beckingham. It'd be back researcher waiting word, but I do think the overwhelming overwhelming feeling is that you will be on the cowboys so I expect him to be on the roster. is Bradley and I. I do think he makes the team We did our blocking the boy prediction. guest I was in June or maybe I can't remember. Knows earlier this spring I've been making the team He was the guy again kind of right now gallimore, nobody really thought he was gonNA. Throw that far when the cowboys garden and it Connor God's really value in. He's not the most Athletic Arnold. Fair Short on twitter position. He's not the biggest guy, but you just wins. He knows how. To. Get to the quarterback. I think that's what this team needs He's very good and what he's asked to do. I think he makes the roster. Diene. OPTI. demarcus Lawrence and Crawford walk name. In Armstrong makes the team. How many ones that I kind of law? I. Fix. Yes Dick's. Lawrence Crawford Armstrong Gregory Smith. Okay that makes sense to me arm I. Think than that fix. Number is is a good one One person that I am really ruining for collar and I. Interviewed him after the NFL draft happened, they picked this man as a free agent. That would be. Our rondell Carter He. Just an infectious tight personality, and somebody who's paint was was kind of fun and Jam Yourself. I'm interested to see how how bad all? Maybe he's the guy who can get on the practice squad to suggest. Sorry I'm here. I've used a roofing guy like. That on the border for me, I. DO think actually back on pinterest making a team I'm. Like you I, think he especially now defended fifty five and dancing invested pretty good money. On. compared to the other. Creation State around I do think like you said you encounter both really hot on his film. I do think he has a good chance. You kind of border for me. I think a very good chance that could be for one of their last night. He's going to be a priority practical guy. All right so. That leaves us with defensive tackle. Coal. Right off the Bat, do you think? Trick in Hell make. Football. Team. On. My gut feeling is no. New Coaching Staff I think. Tiebreaker, I think the same coaching staff they they drafted and I know I. Know Ruin McLean. Everybody's on that Front Office but far coaching staff. They really real ties to him. They don't need to keep him to prove his worth or anything. and the the destroyed their move on from a first pick in Taco Charlton early so I do think that if I in hill doesn't turn it around I. Don't see them making the team. I think the data, Gambia fascinating storyline throughout here because if they do only take four at the end of the day. I do think that those four are going to be Jerem appoint on thrown them Gallimore Antoine. Words are because I. Think you know in that case. You would have your two-three techniques in Jeremy. McCoy number Gallimore. John Terry Poem Towards Compla-. The one Antero can obviously up plane zero tex knows as well when you go to on Front Mike thing in which I inhale and why I think they might take five and the end of the day is because. Key can play both the one or the three with Bonnie tight. And, that's just another Bonnie. On a defensive line that might be able to contribute a little bit. I don't be any of the other guys. Have a real shot at making the team. Gary Marino I i. don't really think hours any SORTA shot online. Don't even know if they have anybody else. I missed Daniel. Wise I wish he was still around. Are One of my favorites coming out of Kansas? didn't just didn't really work out here, but. Man. I think. They end up keeping Kristen Hill because I think they're gonNA. Want five guys on the Interior. My only caveat with that is they might not because tyrone Crawford complained found out. That's the only thing that gives me pause. So. I take I mean he has the Kabariti's to be dumping. That's why you to stick around so I mean he's not like his not being like you know like there's talent there are just can't get out of. Your, no, absolutely I I. Agree with you one hundred percent. What do you expect from the defensive line as a whole just before we get out of here? I mean Jim Thome suicide warning the Best D. Line coach in the inner so and he's. Definitely As a really really strong track record on obviously someone that have to do. It's not like he's working no tower in Washington. We know that kind of defense blinds down the AD. Over. There San. Francisco had prime made on this kind of guys, not working talent mean everywhere. He's Bareness seems like they've improved. thinking is Danny Phantom on blogging the boys. wrote an article with this kind of looking at his history and kind of comparing this. That number is not a kind of stats which. Is Different decent Florence compared to the cowboys in the state season. Whoever Thompson Louis coaching better numbers are always be. It's of hard, so look at dinner vacuum. You don't really know the situation a town, and all that kind of and so on and so forth, but I mean he is better. Do you own coaches in the National League I think? The college throughout town like you said and they have a lot more often than they did last year lease Especially of Gregory is reinstated. So that. More bodies turned Crawford Lead Bagheri both teams there. That's to be a big attention to this team. Start expecting not expecting. Any, league derived by any means by. Do think they're gonNA be vastly improved Robert. Robert Quinn's pass rushing ability on the other side like you said he was kind of a liability defending to run I do think demarcus Lawrence. GonNa put out. About your ten awareness, they had a bad year because he didn't but I think appear put up better numbers Ollie's cope and inbox for Damore unless not the most important thing, I do think he's going to gateways I do think he's GonNa average, wrong season kind of quiet. The doubters and all that kind of thing the haters on twitter You know. I think garage been here and. They're going to be fascinating approved arm. Ness any read I think they're gonNA be. Taking big! I would say. Yeah, I think they're going to as well and I believe that we with my whole heart because I. think that they're going to be more creative defensively. Your team hasn't given up twenty points in twenty points per game in a season since two thousand fifteen. We talked about how the defense gets worked at times. But overall, it's been a decent scoring deepen so. Exactly aren't interested to see whether we see more breaking, but Moore's splash plays defensively our. Fascinated. Overall picture is going to look like, but I do think that they're team is going to have more. Baxter themes that I I think that that starts with in doing different things defensively Arman Franz even man. Blitz Jason Smith glitches with nickelback are not nickelback the band, but your actual nickel back on. WHO's going to be covering receivers so? We'll see. I'm excited. Man I! Hope, we can do everything necessary to actually. Have football in September. It's all care sewing meaning to argue be cancelled season. That's all we got for. You guys today. Hope, you guys enjoyed it. Connor should be back for the next episode next week. We will talk about the linebackers, and I assume it's one position were probably wrap in the quarterback. There's three of them. We know who they are. Probably all GonNa make the roster at the end of the day and then we'll talk about the running next as well. been talking to Dr of right to thank blog in the boy, mock media for allowing us to to host this partner. Do.

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The Monocle Restaurant Awards 2019

Monocle 24: The Menu

28:59 min | 2 years ago

The Monocle Restaurant Awards 2019

"Hello. And welcome to the menu monocle show on food drink, and hospitality by Marcus hit beep today, we are revealing the winners of this year's monocle restaurant awards, the places we have enjoyed the most and where we have eaten the best then after we have revealed which place we think is right now the world's best dining spots. We find out what's, what happens when must to RAs reference area Felix community kitchen, and the luxury lifestyle shopping, platform, clo- nineteen join forces or working entirely with surplus food and what otherwise be wasted or sent to landfill. And so by nature of that, it will be a completely different menu each time, so both bringing in the inspiration of the new chef. But also this kind of wild card of what ingredients will arrive. We will also get a very nice recipe before this week and hero Dina Soanes wreck recommendation to all that head on this week's issue off the menu Hugh. Monocle twenty four. It's that time of the year again, the monocle restaurant awards are here. The whole wonderfully stove, the fifty dining spas. We think are the best in the world. We'll be out in the upcoming monocle drinking and dining directory. But already today, we reveal which places have made it to the top five. I'm joined in the studio by our own executive editor George finished who has been pushing this list together, welcome to the program. So I've got this whole list the top fifteen front of me. Now, in what is striking is at least is indeed very different from what it was like last year. What's happened? Well, when you get to the fifth year of doing something you yourself have been at Monaco, for many years. And I'm sure your style is drifted over that time finish when you joined, actually, you never mentioned that. But the restaurant awards have evolved over time. But there's always been a very central tenant to what we tried to do here. We want to highlight the local places that neighborhood restaurants and get past the kind of foam. And I remember I was over in Singapore's when the first Michelin guide. Came out, and the Michelin, top rating went to a French restaurant, top of tower, and I just thought as a city Singapore has so much to offer the so much cheap hawker food which speaks to tradition, and I suppose in some ways, that's a metaphor for the restaurant awards. We're not looking for the most glamorous tasting plates, the wildest jahns about chefs, we're looking for neighborhood restaurants that last night, think this new revived list is a lot of places we've tried this year. But also a lot of places that we've gone back to this. Yeah, exactly, the monocle Ristorante awards, certainly ours about food. I think it's always great that if you look at any other ranking lists of the world's top restaurants. They actually these lists rarely overlap with ours. We serve we have our own take on we. Yeah. I like to think so. I mean that's really funny entries in this list as well. I'll be Frank win, not overly earnest we, you know, we're not judging dilute against the Balu tale. Each French restaurant in the world. There's a place in London. Khuda dragon in club senior editor, Robert bound found this restaurant and. Pentacook which he said, was similar to come through film set and lost drinking competition with some Hong Kong businessman says, you know, when not being so serious about it, but we all trying to make a more serious point. The great restaurants, aren't that many on that abundant. There are lots of good restaurants. But once the place, even get lost him was the place. You can go back to the place that pleasantly surprised even you sit down exactly. Have certainly has a great source of throwing fines some of these grace neighborhood restaurants. But just shall we start the actual business. Now let's start going through the top five of this year's wanna call restaurant wars. The restaurants that has made it to position number five this year. It is in Bangkok. Yeah. Absolutely. And we've tried to be a little bit controversial. I suppose we could have picked a great tire strong which we love like Bowland. We also could go to great time restaurants in London. You could get a kiln in SoHo and have just as good a time, but the restaurant that we've picked in Thailand is actually an Italian joint kind of Roman tra- Torius out by gentleman called Paolo vitiligo, in two thousand thirteen it's just fifty covers and it does kind of Roman classics done well in this most unlikely, tropical of settings, and I think food and restaurants and innovation around them a one of the few places way you're not really accused of cultural appropriation so much you can be an Italian guy and setup an Italian restaurant in Bangkok. You can be a tie and set up an Italian restaurant in London, and appear is this nice meeting of two coaches local ingredients, but with their kind of age-old European. Twang and spark and conviviality that keeps coming back. Let's continue them with the restaurants. That's also has made it to the top five of this year's Monica restaurant wars. And coming in at number four, we have a Zurich restaurant called balanced Shankar. And I think this is interesting for us. It's not right in the middle of town started by three young friends, hotelier guy. That's very good with wine. And when we think about Zurich where we have an office where we have a cafe as well self-indulgent to give us a restaurant award, you know, we know the live the land, and we look at the great grand old restaurants, like, Cronin, Halla that have been in previous years with the Chagall's on the wall in the Picassos, and we actually thought it was time trip a change. Why don't we do something more modern more contemporary? And I suppose that reflects that young Swiss seen as well as the beautiful old kind of comfort food that they do things those interesting to look at the menu over there. What is specifically mentioned in the instruction of this, this restaurant over here is that you should try some classics from pork belly sue Aberdeen, Angus on Chicago's and then continuing to limp three. What for this restaurant shows, we have to go to easily, so it's always a nightmare to have to go to Italy. One knows the food's terrible, the weather's terrible of people dreadfully unfriendly. But of course, we found an exception in villa de stay at which his near late coamo, an amazing restaurant that has been around for many years, the lunchtime service, the waiters, Don cream-colored jackets. And at dinner, though, wear traditional black, and there's a bit of a sense of occasion, around service hits while we're not looking for defense, hist fussiness, foam used restaurants, onto uniform now, again, one amazing fines, or lowliest of the best fifty restaurants in the world is just that we have a beautiful Italian fee going on over here in the top five, and we continue with fee when it comes to the restaurant that's in the place. Number two. The river campaign inclusion might not shock. Irregular eaters, it's one the restaurant awards before it's infra fifth year, but I had the wonderful occasion to sit outside on a recent sunny day with some friends and kind of rediscover all over again. What makes this restaurant's great suppose? The back story is Luth roaches, founded it with late partner rose graves athlete died, many years ago, but she's continued to make this kitchen spot. All nut Shering for young chefs, she's breaded generation of new chefs with a passion for fresh ingredients, you can still go there and actually pastors that they have on that menu. A good enough to win a restaurant ward in his own. Right. The place after he is now thirty one years just remains an absolute staple completely central to that neighborhood. And also, you know there is a ceremony in front about it. You will, as I did see Danny devito, pasta is kind of an amusing place where the greats in the good go for great lunch or wonderful. The services warm, and it's well to served and its place on the restaurant woods list again. Indies congratulations to Ruth roaches for that. It's the river cafe that who's the second on the list of the best restaurants in the world. And then it's TIME TO REVEAL this year's winner. The Weiner is in northern eastern. We're talking about a restaurant called Fieldstone Hoon debt. Z Z halt, that is in Lana in, in northern Italy, small flays, this restaurant serves self to Roland food. Good luck to any listeners. From fourteen seventy seven right? Coutts is a rather special affair. It's a very small, very humble restaurant in a very small very humble town in the northern parts of Italy. The German speaking, part known as South Tyrol. It's an age old guest house, a kind of very warm. Comfy come Lee place, and it was taken over by gyco classic distant, Tori. Who's actually weapon a new hotel next door. How's that for business plan, which we writing about in the next few issues of the magazine? The interior architect Christina. Von Berg has taken all of that kind of raw clay of beautiful alpine freshness and turned into a very understated place. That is a great favor of editor in chief. We do like to mix things up. You know, would anyone else in the world say that this is the best restaurant in the world, perhaps not? But we really sticking because we, we think that humbleness that authenticity. That providence is just so important, and so many restaurants. His restaurant is in need of area of inspiration, what they can listen on, I suppose all what they should actually. Ideally, go visit for themselves and see how hospitality is done a great find deal actually we did dispatch Monaco's Milan. Correspondent Ivan Cavaillon to this place to speak to the phone does here, the reaction to find out more about this restaurant. Let's listen. The quick market town of Lana is one of south roles oldest settlements apple orchards dominate the landscape together with the mountains here among its collection of old churches chapels monasteries, and the ruins of several castles, one finds on a quiet side street in Lana, a new dining, establishment bustling with life. Its name fourteen. Seventy seven right. Coulter refers quite simply to the you're the building was first directed and the family surname of the previous owner who ran a traditional Gasthaus on the ground floor local today, Klaus disa-, Tori cell potential in the site to create a charming eight room guest house, but he was eager to maintain the authentic atmosphere of the former tavern that said locals day and night. They're Reichheld is opposite the result. It's open to everyone. The restaurant is open to everyone. We have a mix of, of guests here in the house. The restaurant is very important part of our concept, because it brings the locals here in this house. What we were missing the last year's in our region out, typically traditional and simple dishes, and restaurants. So I was looking for someone understanding this concept. And front Ray hasn't Martina, we've found the right persons instep has been wife team Martina. Andrey's Heinisch south rule natives who each have two decades of hospitality experience under their belt with Martina welcoming, and serving guests and under his in the kitchen together with the story. The pair drip, a warm and easy. Going concept that reflected the ends past life as a meeting place for locals during the day to enjoy a bite, or even a beer. Martina. Heinisch. My husband under yes and die together with our stuff want to create a place where guests feel comfortable and Thome, a home away from home, so to speak when come into our store, you will immediately smell the fragrance of fresh baked cakes, croissants, our menu change weekly the we use products that local and season, we use fresh ingredients from our garden component of their success is a small weekly menu prepared on a single sheet with a few options for each course from starters to desert promotes in season products with plenty of flavor this week, we have the Sakina flower, that's from our garden, the Keeney flowers filled with sheep, Kirk cheese. Also with comer and to me. Ddos. That's very seasonal dish. And also, we are very famous, the schnitzel, that's typical south turell dish, filled with spinach, we make a little bit Oregon origin, and so with the truth Moke throat and also little bit blown. Husband, Andrei, is keeps busy preparing dishes with the staff to ringing the bell to get the service attention today. He's preparing an entre coat made from grass-fed beef, the local butcher with the delicate sauce and home grown vegetables each week, he dabbles in a mix of regional and Italian specialties to keep local diners interested from homemade yunky to a divine utility not to. Gene, I been Lucala says he looks to keep guests and locals on their toes. With a touch of meditating inspiration to his recipes without forgetting his roots in south to roll with residents from Lana in nearby towns in several times week to dine hotel guests at the right Coulter, get to interact in address down ambiance, with services familiar and never rushed helping to make the meal, a memorable. In lana. I'm good. That was motorcoach Ivan Cavalli reporting from the restaurants that is the Weena on this year's monocle restaurant awards field sent. Hoon ditsy, even on C C, right? Hall to that is in Lana in northern easily an amazing list Jewish and before I let you go, I think we should talk about the lessons that can be learned from this year's top fifty list. What do you think are the greatest things restaurateurs can learn from this? I think being a restaurant is very hard job. Although lots of people read about it, and think about it, and is, in some ways a lifelong commitment and you see that in restaurants like Ruth Rogers is river cafe. She spent her whole life doing an has so damn good. There's lots of tips on how to design a restaurant, while, I think we're seeing too many brick walls, too many concrete floors space fill cozy, but also make the people feel cozy. I think lots of new restaurants in, in London in New York in Tokyo and Hong Kong. Look certain way and think. I should treat your certain right. By think that isn't always correct. But we'll personality do amazing, and the brand's new monocle drinking and dining directories out next week. Josh, thank you very much for joining us here on the medium. Let's in nixed continue with the recipe of the week this time we are guessing inspiration from Lebanon. I'm John, Gregory Smith. I'm chef author and manuka cephlon the souks is out now. I might favorite recipe from the book right now is Kumon and caraway spiced Lebanese Cous Cous. The reason I love this recipe is it uses an ingredient, Moog Rubia, which is a Lebanese couscous and it's like a little round pasta that you boil off in stock and spices. And it sucks this delicious flavors. It's a classic street food dish fuel out in Tripoli on the coast. You'll find this dish. So with five pickles and herbs or if you're in someone's home, they'll do it like a more mellow version, which is what I'd gotten a book wonderful to prepare this dish. It's really easy. You essentially just fry off your chicken, and they use whole Shalah's, which is kind of lovely 'cause they take on a caramel flavor in a bit of extra texture. And then you cook in caraway and seven spice and seven spices, like this amazing Lebanese ingredients like garments, Sala. It's a mixture of Woody spices at so much death the dish and then once that's cook down and also soft and unctuous you add in the Lebanese couscous soaks up lows flavors, then you just have coriander and lemon, and it's wonderful. Joanna Gregory Samir giving us. He's favorite recipe you with the menu monocle twenty four. Here in London. And interesting collaboration is raising awareness on the issue of food waste luxury goods, giant Ayla VM age, just online, retail and lifestyle platform, clo- nineteen has come together with the talian star. Chef must seem about tourist community Itchen Reva terrier Felix for a series of supper clubs. The guests are treated with a three course menu made from surplus food, designed to buy different top chef each time, the first event has taken place already and the next one will happen in the beginning of two lie. Abass earlier, I was joined in the studio by the organizers, the phone around CEO of glow. Nineteen Stephanie, teen avenue, and Natasha, Boone, sewer from Reva, terro Felix. They told more about this, bro checks and everything it involves. Stephanie start by explaining ho the idea was born. So there be fun of mess mobile. Tura and I actually visited his restaurants, Lester in modern and got interested in to all of the work that he's doing on like food west age. And this is how we got introduced to Felix started thinking about what the collaboration could look like. We've had a few members of staff from nineteen common, volunteer at our lunch service and help us with front of house service. And after that point, we started having conversation about how we could grow the Kaaba ration- and invite other people into the space to experience the magic of what we do there. You have what kind of a planning process? Did you have what kind of aspects, did you discuss? So when you're pushing these types of topics you have to think about how do I make it fun? How make it enjoyable, so that people get interested on more into the topic? So we started thinking about what the supper club series could look like and what, what we could do to make fun. So this is how we started thinking about having great chefs to cook for the supper club series. And also the food and wine pairing, because clue nineteen is all about drinks, and you're with all of our beautiful brand, so we started talking about this and how we could organize it. One of the things that's most special about rectory of Felix is the environment that we have our lunch service for during the day, Monday through Friday, vulnerable, and homeless people. And the space was designed by Elsa Crawford. And so as soon as you shop into it, you feel that you're in this really special caring. Welcome. Space, which is exactly what nineteen produces with their brand and their experiences. So we thought we can bring these two concepts together of a hosting experience, that feels really special in the space where this social Justice is realized to the role closed nineteen has been playing in this, obviously you've pros along all those brands he represents it was really about creating an experience because like a dinner table is a social place. So it's a place where you share moments with your friends on your loved ones, and this is a great way to bring people together. Usually it's around like a nice drink. We were really thinking of how to make this as an experienced, you know, like something that you can share with, with a group of people and enjoy. So this is when we started to think about what is the kind of journey when you get into the Potomac Felix space. So as Natasha said, it's really beauty. Space. It's really close to like a church. So it's very, very special yet most fear when you walk into that space. So then how would you is it? So which shows that to have the insurance more of the coun- of bar space, where we welcome people because you always welcome people. We kind of a welcome drink. We have imagined this kind of boss base, at the entrance, and then it's very big community birds, because this is where you, you share moments. Exactly. However you defined your goals for these projects, by the way. I'm wondering that when you've run a few supper clubs to you measure. If you have succeeded doughnuts, what you want to accomplish. Peepers enjoyments. So we will see we will see the feedback. I we will also see if it starts doing, like a kind of a snowball effect. You know, we want to create something as becoming a word of mouth on people in the know you going to start telling their friends on the next one would have more and more people wanting to join and do good. And. This is why we also wanted to through a lot of fun through beautiful meals and beauty for chefs of inspiration and something very, very different every single time. I'm wondering learned from each other, so far, then, for example, Stephanie, what kind of an experience has it been working, you know, obviously, you are in the hem of glow, nineteen what's kind of an experience has been for you to work with an organization like this, a very different experience because you want to really inspire through June collaborations, like this really want to inspire people around you to also do it because you know that you're doing good. And you know, that's to do good, you need to put the word out there. So this is what's has been really, really different is that Swiss collaboration, we really, really wanted to find the right way to talk about food west age and talk about sharing moments. So I think it's very, very important and all of the work that which Felix is doing around food, way, stage and also around working with more vulnerable people that sometimes have lost a bit of. Link or something bringing all of them around the same table to share moments for us was something very important. You've been thinking about the REIs way of talking about the issue of food waste and fighting against food waste Emma getting the right impression that, that you think this is the right way that can like alternative ways of thinking about that. I'm bringing more enjoyment to it. Because that will in turn create more respect for food. It's through respecting food that people wasted less. And so that's the idea, right? Both around the nineteen wines. And also, the food is to basically change people's relationship taking time we were discussing before we walked in here. That's now, days you eat too fast. You know, people don't have time and you don't really realize what you're eating and everything is really, really fast. And I think in the clue nineteen world what struck me I when I started working with John spirits, is this sense of time, because you're working with the ground, you know, on your growing your grapes. And it takes time and the weather conditions are really important. And depending on the weather condition you wine is going to taste difference. And you just make really good wine in a very short amount of time. This is just not possible. Patients any patients are nowadays. People don't have a lot of patients. I think gathering around the table where you take more time to think about what am I eating? Where is that coming from, you know, and is that actually good for me because I don't know, maybe not. So doing it in a way that you think something good for the planet's because there's no plan B you know, we have only one planet, and we have to respect it, and take the time to respect it. And sometimes you need to just take a step back and look at things, and think am I doing something good for me for the for everyone or not. Good points. I'm wondering what is happening next to. We already talked about the future of the club series, kind of other plans to have for example, what kind of plans to you have for reference Felix, one of the things that we're really focusing on right now is expanding how we approach this idea of using food as a tool to care for people. So we have this amazing lunch service toppings Monday through Friday, and we're thinking it's also very therapeutic to cook food. So a little bit. Like what Stephanie is saying about slowing down and increasing your contact with this important substance? Where creating this culinary training course, which we've run to pilot programs of, and we're developing to create paths to employment, and also build more knowledge in education around cooking and working in the hospitality industry for our guests. We're also working on more programs that have to do with complementary medicine, both nutrition workshops and things like massage and yoga because as I think staff. I can attest to the space rectory Felix says this incredibly calming and restorative location. So we're trying to work with how we can expand that beyond being in the space to also increasing our education offerings. Nineteen then so today we are opening three markets, the UK Germany on the US, and we're planning, our expansion into other European markets next year. So we have lists on where currently reviewing our opportunities. Yes. Just just finally, obviously, these series has only begun. So the second event is going to take place on July the second. I think you should remind us how to get the tickets. Yes. So it's very easy. You can just buy them from the clue nineteen website. So it's WW dots. Clue nineteen dot com and worker of safes to have lined up for the future. So we have sky Gingell and rose Ashby, her protege coming for the July. Second supper club and the future. Shafts are also to be announced the phone Rosie O of clone nineteen Stephanie, teen avenue and Natasha Boone, sue from river, terrier Felix there. And that's awful. This issue of the men here for previous episodes of this program to Monaco's website, soundcloud, or I tunes and remember to subscribe to the show. So that is also must sickly arrives on your device every week. Also do check out our menu. Spinoff, so food neighborhoods. 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E221 Family Nuts and the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Backrooms

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E221 Family Nuts and the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Backrooms

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That's acorn dot tv code drinks to get your first thirty days for free. Hello how are you. I'm good. I i am drinking water Oh wow congratulations. They feel hydrated murnau. eats marvin's and while you're eating communal albans. Let's be clear. I am anyone who's got youtube. Get so us in the apartment. I don't know if like we all get a bunch of almonds and then just like donna. What to do with him. Or maybe this is bulk. And i don't remember. But like i have i just own a whole canister of comets nondescript like we clearly took it out of a bag and i'll put them single glass or are they like costco at kirkland brand and then mlive lifts in this like nondescript like reusable jar and i'm like somebody to transfer those into this fancy jar and i i don't know if there were already almonds in here and then i got almonds and i was like. Oh we have too many. I don't know what happened. But like with at different times of different days i'll see like alison grab anathema. Rj grabbing fm. I usually grab them in the morning so like it's just a communal almond jars love. This has become just the norm in your household like oprah's communal jar. It's like when people when you have fam- okay. This is a really needs reference. But i feel like like when you go off to college or something and you've been living with your family your whole life. And then he started to learn like other people. Don't necessarily have the same habits that you did growing up and people are like. What do you mean. The communal almonds. And you're like your family didn't have a community. We haven't communal chocolate chip jar actually Bell that would be ideal. I wish i had that. And now i'm with to people who like run for a lifestyle and shit so no. I have a communal almond jar. But yeah i don't know where it came from. This is this is a pandemic thing. Obviously it's one of those random mundane things. Just become part of your daily life so we also become part of mine because every time we get onto like seeing some communal nuts. The got moments got my water any. Why are you drinking water today or do you have any reason i. I have two things i wanted to say. Really quick one is happy. One is not so happy one is So the not so happy. As i went to apologize for last week because i found out way late. Apparently that there is some controversy with neil degrasse tyson whoops. I did not know and thank you to everybody who put me in. Check on twitter Kindly you all. Yeah everyone is very very about it. Yeah i had no idea there was any obviously. I didn't either to be clear. We just blabbing on. We would have said something. Had we known and i just had no idea so i apologize to people in general. Yes if you were offended by that. One of the things. That i thought was interesting that we talked about like. Oh gave you that handshake. That was like so like looking to your soul and then to the main headlines thousand so well. Apparently one of the allegations was that he held a woman's hand really like intently like that and looked at her and then it became very creepy and he starts to make some commentary and a toucher and inappropriate ways but it was like yeah like it was basically the story of shelled her hand in a very deep deeply meaningful way but then it got out of hand. This was at least the allegation. I don't know beyond that. But i was like. Oh no. we literally talked about his hands on rarely had led your bank leases according to people who've filed these allegations so Apologies that we didn't know about that. We are Again i just i just i'm sorry Not cool so then the thing that was happy and super cool. Is that as the ads of the time that this comes out. We have a three or four days left for the voting on the web. 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'cause one of my last bullet points was they have refused to examine that up until now and then the news broke and Ear was so our lovely pal jess who posts on social sometimes for us and does the newsletter posted. Like what a weird coincidence. And i'm like this is not a coincidence. I have changed the world. Creating ripples in the community of ripple serious. that's correct. It is vail. Riyadh that within forty eight hours talking about it. All of a sudden it was like. Oh yeah he's going to be exempt and in my mind. I was like either. This is like someone found a fake website and like thinks it's real after listening. I was like there's no way this is legitimate. Was such such weird timing. yeah so anyway. Well done on your clairvoyance thank you. I can't decide if i'm clairvoyant. Or if i just created this okay we get it. You created ripples in the community we you know i. I'm being facetious. Everybody i know that. I did not literally 'cause the australian government to change their mind but we head we manifested at least one percents as probably others audio vision. Board sometimes works. That's fine okay. Anyway those are the small reasons. Drink christine why do we drink drink. Well i i'll be honest. I actually don't drink right now. And i was going to tell you all because i was like well. This is some some news. I want to share with you but then i was like i'm not worthy of sharing this kind of news right so i was like i wasn't worthy of sharing it with i wasn't worthy sharing it with you folks and so i just know myself better than to even though i said i created ripple effects in the entire true crime community all the way in australia. I have a little bit of shame and a little bit of a self awareness. Sometimes and i recognize that. I'm not the you know quote unquote pillar of the community. Who's who's destined for this just in to bear this information. That's exactly right. Thank you so instead I've i've Commissions in other greater pillar than i to share this news. And how do i transition telling you the where to find this news. That i'm not a let's say that there's there's a. There was a an outcry from christine. A to relate information on our behalf and you can find that chris compiled it very well. We wanted we wanted to do something. New version up with a specific sort of information. And so you made a very lovely video on youtube. I think you well so if you wanna find this information in this news you can go to bit dot l. y. And that's why i don't drink and that is where it will like. It's also it's also. Maybe how i found out this information as well so you can ride that ride with. That's exactly right. So i was not as here's what i here's what i'm sure say. I was not equipped to share this news with you all inasmuch as i was who could be and i was also not equipped to share this information with 'em in particular. So i commissioned someone else to share the news on my behalf and if you go to a slush and that's why i don't drink you can you can learn alongside 'em and everybody What this what that this announcement is that. I just don't feel like you know it's just it's not my place must be. It must be a visual. Let's just put it that way. It's gotta be visual so you were to. If you're listening in the car for some reason it's just not worth only hearing. It's a full body experience. That's right and my voice just isn't cut out you know. My voice was horribly. A high pitched situation happening at my face. Just isn't equipped. So i want to justice justice. So you know. I'm stepping does aside stepping off my podium and letting the master who may or may not have a very deep and ominous boys ruining brooding voice brooding muscles bruening muscles biceps. Mel's bagel bites. Maybe i announced. No no no. He certainly smells seasonals collar colonial. Definitely that's the case but So that person may or may not for legal reasons may or may not have been the one to step in finding guest feature. Let's leave it at that. Everyone listening is like literally. What the fuck are you talking about. This makes i've got like they've got one of like five things going on what this could be what the announcement or like zero total zero understanding. And i don't blame you for that because i really didn't go into this with any sort of script prepared so i apologize for the chaos but but welcome also and you're welcome also Anyway that is why. I drink at least as why you all will probably drink as the seasons. Isn't that's why. I don't drink okay. Malaria and we'll discuss maybe At in the next episode up. Yeah we'll we'll have to to my look. oh good. i can't wait to hijack your code. I was gonna say crashing mccray. That's okay yeah. In honor of the chaos. That just fucking happens. I hate myself already editing. This in the future like christine. Why didn't you just write down. It was genuine mass leading a lot. So i hope you guys are happy christine. There's nothing. I love more than twitter. Instagram social media in general looking at my computer screen looking at the tv. Checking allison's ipad next to me and then looking at rj. kendall basically. I love looking at screens screens screens screens. I scream for screens. But i also scream in the wrong way provide grains and so we're is not feeling good about myself afterwards because of all that darn blue light. That's right we. We're not meant to as humans to be looking at screens all day. But here we are doing anyway and thankfully felix gray is there to help felix gray filters fifteen times more blue light from screens than other clear blue light lenses to help restore your balance and the original optical lenses relieved most ice train symptoms from daily screen. 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Rooms theory we So if for those of you if you're listening to this episode before the last one that's probably fine but just to catch you up a. I thought i was doing this last week. And then i realized at the end. I was not doing this classic. And by the way i would say everyone was shockingly kinds like like we got so much positive feedback about the episode compared to normal i mean we usually get wonderful feedback on twitter and all that but i was noticing like an excess in. Yeah people loved it. Which now i'm like. Well what have i been doing. Run this time if everyone loved that and that was an accident. What what other power do i have aids because you said oh like no one's going to like this and they had to reassure they did. I don't know. I appreciate it when i was a lot of people said that i should just start a whole quantum physics. I don't and i was like what was also like this was a one off lake. Not only one off in terms of me having the capacity to do this but a one often you enjoying reporting on it like yeah. If i had a quantum physics shell not all of them would be as funny and seamless that because i would just be confused. The whole time like episode on quantum physics. It was like it was like did skirted quantum physics. it just just brushed up and kissed black holes. You know anyway. So that was not the backrooms theory today is the backer and to reiterate is not be back woods theory that i kept saying last time either. Jesus christ i think that might have been me. I don't think you know i listened back. I said back once like ten fucking tile you did okay not just me. So last week was back doors theory. This is back rooms theory. There is no backwoods theory to apply for all. I know it's going to happen tomorrow. You're going to get a ton of tweets. They're going to exhume the summer to man and and there's going to be this backwoods theory of how that would be epic so the backrooms theory remember. I said the reason that people wouldn't stop talking about. It is because it was apparently topical. I didn't know how something about tiktok i heard. Yes so it already existed before tiktok was already a thing and then tiktok kind of has this little habit of like resurfacing. Everyone already knew but forgot about your ratatouille t shirt so radical was the best thing to come out of this pandemic. Please county i. I'm not coming at you. I'm just saying this is a perfect example of how to resurrect something that we've all kind of thought we got past in a beautiful way. Must be if i literally bought the radical Playbill and i have it like in like in the baggy so it will never be harmed. And i'm gonna make my children bring it to a show and tell one day when they were on twenty and i got a second one is the back of a case. That would okay anyway. Wow you are prepared okay. Anyway backrooms theory at the reason it got big was because tiktok ted talk brought it up again and it was so creepy and vague. That people were like what the fuck is about. But part of the backrooms theory. I'm just. I'm already overwhelmed. I'm just remind us about that as i should. How the back. The back rooms theory is The backrooms could be another dimension of sorts or it follows the theory that we're living in a simulation and is a back end in our computer programming of this universe and the back rooms are the the back end of the programming that you're not supposed to find but shit if everything we know is a computer program if you could find the back rooms and you can get into the back end of the program and not necessarily change anything but you can just like be you can have access to that space. And it's from what i understand it seemingly multiple dimensions that you can enter with ease once you're in the back end once you're in the back. Oh god i'm so excited about this. I know to be cleared by the way everybody. I know nothing about this. I sometimes go on tiktok to read about like better ways to clean my bathtub as my tiktok experience goes so i'm new to all of this. So the i'll i'll get into that sector part of it in a second sub better help people on tiktok understand it because i did my notes and then check talk just to double check that. I was looking at the right thing because i showed on that last week. All my and a lot of people will look back. Rooms explained as the hashtag because people are like what the fuck is this concept and so most of the videos out there are always just explaining like one part or one room of the back rooms or one object you can find so it's it and it's we'll get there. I'm gonna shut. This is going to be a picture heavy episode. So i'm gonna send you pictures in second sweet back rooms. Which in theory people have gotten pictures of a once. They've accessed it. The backrooms is a large space that we are not supposed to know about but we can access through it's called no clipping which is basically intentionally witching into the matrix which isn't always intentional. Apparently people can accidentally no clip. I mean just like how their addition matrix yeah. I didn't know you could intentionally do this on the other hand. I think that's like it's usually a one in a million chance that you'll be successful at it but some people have apparently been able to do it also It's called clipping. In this case and i guess it stems from like in a computer program if something isn't clipped properly. There's like a glitch in the program. Okay let clip deliver attached in the coding or something So the backrooms itself when you enter your in the the main part of the backrooms. Which is it's got dim fluorescent lights. Yellow walls yellow Damp carpets supposed to look really like it's to like an abandoned retail space like really really eerie like in a strip mall since. Yeah and like you're all by yourself in this really like spacious decrepit kind of place and apparently for different people it it looks more or less withered. I'm imagining it's like. I feel like we've all kind of been there in our dreams. You know like that's really ling's creepy space. Yeah so it's supposed to look like the back rooms of a bustling shop or a place where you would usually see. A bunch of people were in. And you're by yourself so it's like an added level of erie Each level has its own type of monsters Which they call entities. I'll get to levels in a second. But basically by levels i mean different rooms in the backrooms it has its own type of entities and you can also find different items in these levels to gather or trade with people you might come across in the back rooms what it sounds like a video game. It's it's all gonna make sense in a second hang in there. Okay okay okay. Hanging i i wrote it so it would be kind of confusing. And then it's going to get explained so most people who encounter entity is only get to like. Tell a quick story about it before like gets report about it online and then you never hear from them again. So in theory like the entities ended up finding them and attacking them after being reported on apparently in the backrooms. Time is completely warped and there are There's nobody has been able to escape. Which sounds confusing but hang on so once you find yourself in the back rooms you will. In theory die wandering through the corridors forever looking for a way out of the back rooms not only. Is there not an exit to be found. But the quarters have false exits and traps that get you that. Have you like ending up further in the back room so when you think you're walking through the exit door and you're out of the back rooms and your free. It's actually a trap. Any are in deeper in the backwoods. The backrooms were before so to get to the back rooms. You must know clip out of reality which there's no official. Why usually it happens at random but there are tips to do it which So if you're looking for a way to potentially glitch out of the matrix finds a potential entrance and usually those spots look like places that would be like in a story from the glitch in the matrix like if a adore leads to nothing. Or if there's like a corner that looks really creepy and you get a weird supernatural vibe. If you go towards that you just try to like think about really intensely and walk into the wall like nine and three quarter satis like just kind of walk into it and apparently it's all about luck if it works which one in a million chance. If it does work you will probably find yourself at the main entrance of the room so that clearly. It sounds like not the not luck. Sounds like not the right word. Chance if you're trying to do it and you quote succeed then you'll end up in the back rooms that has graduated but sure so okay. None of that makes sense. I know that i would know a lot of people are like. I'm this is not your best episode hanging there. So this is a creepy pasta Well i mean okay. Yeah i feel like that explains a lot of things so far. So it's technically a creepy pasta. It's from a read. It and the back rooms has become this really detailed and yet also not detailed at all but a very collaborative effort from a bunch of people on reddit who have built out this theoretical worlds. And so it's kind of understood that there's all these like like it's all cannon like there's all these rules you have to follow. There's all these story arcs. There's different people that you'll meet in certain rooms or different monsters in each room. There's different and so it is lor but so many people have treated it like. It's legitimate that i think that's what spawned on tech talk about. A lot of people like one are the back rooms and nobody. I was so confused too. Because when i was checking tiktok to like get confirmation about this nobody i couldn't find a single account where people introduced a first with like this is. Lauren came from read at in everyone's world building and it's a fun story to play with. Everyone is just taking it at full face value in that law to like the back. Rooms are the are the the back end of society. The back ends of the world in a few access at you will end up in different. You know different rooms of your biggest fears and all the shit and it sounds really creepy and people were like what is this place and thought it was a legitimate paranormal theory. And so if you've been on talk and ben confused and you just wanted an answer. I'm telling you that this has been like a world being built on that everyone is just really riding the wave on. If i'm that's freaky though. Because i feel like even though i mean i'm probably going too far but feel like even when people kind of build up these worlds and it becomes a collective consciousness thing like i know that i started to get freaked out where i'm like. Okay let's stop doing that. Because i'm worried it's going to manifest itself. That's what i think too. It's like it's like. I like say in a similar way but the the worst example i can think of is like the power of prayer or like. It's like it's like eating your reality. Yeah yeah it's like giving it that much energy from that. Many people then collect consciousness which they have proven that collective consciousness can shift energy and can have causal effect and. This makes me think about last week where just to try to find a way to tie this in. We did talk about the multi verse and if there are infinite universes is in theory a back brooms world and it might. Maybe maybe when you go back there that's how your brain perceives it because that's what you can understand as like aback retail space even if it's just right right your consciousness projecting okay. Everyone's like christine. You're really no. But it's i mean it's it's fascinating to think about how enough people have put this much mental energy towards it where lee yeah people are talking about it like it's legitimate and there are people out there. I'm sure there's some website somewhere that i didn't find enough time. That actually does explain this in-depth but i will say as a person who is trying to research it. The the research did not present itself easily. Like it's been done very well to like Vaguely freaked out and like not really totally understand it. That's why the biggest hashtag forward is back. Backrooms explained because like people are just like what is this. What is this one is all they can tell us that. It's creepy and terrifying. It sounds it's like yeah. I mean it was just a little bizarre. So i'm i'm telling you now it's just like this thing that happened online and people are taking it very seriously in terms of like a world building event and they have gotten to it. They've got to a point. Where like i said people take it so seriously that they think is legitimate or not read at cannon so I don't even know if i'm saying reddit cannon properly but i don't know how it's really describe it but this is where i'm going to start sending you pictures and i i'm sorry to ruined it for people if you wanted to keep going and say like ono this is real and then at the end with irwin. It within the next five minutes. I was going to say this sounds a lot like a creepy pasta and then it would have gotten awkward and yeah ok well at some point it was gonna get to fucking obvious so yeah and all the things i'm going to say are so like not realistic that People or at least not real our world and you would have been like this makes no fucking sense right. So i'm gonna show you the original picture of the back. The also never forgiven you for the russian sleep experiment. That was my inspiration to not appreciate you. That was this time. Okay so text is probably easier okay christine. I have your text open already. Also do rio that way. Eva has to so this is that you're so smart luck you are right Here is the original picture of the back room. So in theory you find a part in the wall or like a weird glitchy feeling space and then you just try to walk into the wall or you accidentally fall into this. A lot of people say you're sleeping. You can end up in this place now aiming or maybe you have a better chance if your lucid dreaming or astral projecting or something but no any no matter how it happens you wake up and you're in the back rooms and this is what you will probably see. I says the the original room okay. Oh okay actually. This is already. i know. I know we've already discussed. This is even texted. I hate it. I like instantly. I probably didn't even really register. The picture just went okay. It's if you guys are not m sure. We'll posey's on instagram clarification. A lot of people were very pleased. We did that with somerton man and with the ectoplasms okay. Two weeks two weeks ago last week. No 'cause last week. I did the back doors theory. Oh right yeah who could forget so. People were very pleased about that. So maybe we'll start putting more pictures up cool. I'm on episode released it if you're not looking at that basically it looks like i'm describing a empty retail space that used to maybe be like an Like an h. and r. block or something. Yeah it looks. Like i was thinking of like an outlet strip store like a strip mall store or something but it feels but it also has wallpaper and carpeting which makes it feel more like it feels a really run down. Eighties strip mall outlets to our. Yeah it's it has. The fluorescent lights like the popcorn ceiling. I mean it's creepy. So according to the magnet the back rooms this picture specifically is One of the reasons. It's so creepy is because it gives off a sense of kenaka kenosha can see sad and it's apparently quote. The eerie forlorn atmosphere of a place. That's usually bustling with people. But now it's abandoned quiet so who am. Wow what's the word for that it's k. e. n. o. p. s. I cannot show nazia. i've never heard of this It makes one of my favorite things to look at on tiktoker youtube or anything. I and i've told christine this. I've said on the podcast before. I fucking love abandoned places will. That was one of the ideas for the podcast like before we made the podcast. One of your suggestions was abandoned theme park. Yeah i got. I would give anything to visit in the bathroom. So apparently that gives it gives off the same sense of like it's supposed to be bustling with people but it's abandoned and you're alone and it gives off this creepy sense of peace but also intense anxiety so like i can't believe i mean i can't believe a word exists for that belly. Gets such a specific. Yeah so it says. Here's some examples. Our school hallway in the evening an unlit office on a weekend vacant fairgrounds. We haven't abandoned renaissance fair in fredericksburg that oh very creepy. At night people we. I bet we would party there In high school. That sounds fun. Just hang out and abandoned renaissance bar But yes so anyway. So this specific room. This yellow creepy room is known as level zero. Kennesaw 'cause i i in this picture specifically go fucking figure this Trend which made its way to mainstream social media. happened on fortune. So this was actually a on my gosh A week away are outgrow week ahead but april twenty first filming on the twenty eighth april twenty first two thousand eighteen so as three years ago this picture was posted on four chan and it was anonymously posted in a forum specifically about cursed images. So someone posts. This someone's like this feels like a curse damage it does. It didn't have any. I was like a year h. and r. block of you know we were just cleaning and this is probably just like the person who had to help move all of the all the accountant file and just took a picture before they left to like prove to their boss. Everything was in clear. Look we vacuumed. So yeah it's supposed to be was a form for curse images but had no caption or anything to it just got posted and a while later another user replied with this caption quote. If you're not careful and you know clip out of reality in the wrong areas you'll end up in the back rooms where it's nothing but the stink of old moist carpet. The madness of mono yellow the endless background noise of fluorescent lights at maximum humvees and approximately six hundred million square miles of randomly segmented empty rooms to be trapped in god. Save you if you hear something wandering around nearby because it sure as hell has heard you. I'd like to not know about this anymore. Can we go back to. I didn't know about this kennedy and hr block again. Wait it. I would go back to my accountant. I don't like this anymore. So that was the the framework setup for like okay so this is just the entrance to literally hundreds of millions of square miles. Because if you if you don't if you can see the picture right now it's kind of An illusion where it looks like it's this labyrinth or it looks like it's the beginning to this winding set of multiple rooms and you don't see an end to it so This was setting up the idea that this is the entrance in the further. You go the further you go. The deeper within these hundreds of millions of square footage. You a you're stuck in creeping of that like it looks the same so you can't find your way back out. I mean yeah. It's like so now people like i said earlier. Continually our world building and giving the backrooms more and more context as if they've been there so that's why earlier when i said people will report on these entities and then all of a sudden they're accounts go blank and it's assumed that like they got attacked but then i also said nobody ever escapes. That's why i was like. I know it's confusing but hang in there so if anyone has reported on the things that they've seen there and yet they're not supposed to have escaped. It's because they're just on red helping. Their classes have ended for the day with some extra time on their hands so And i will say nearly everything. I got Information on this from was the wikki pages for the backroom syria or just backrooms and it is the most extensive series of wikipedia. I have seen for. I mean like if this is red at people just like building out a world's like build out a world. They have like i i could not get. I like in the time that i was doing research for this. There's no way. I would have even been able to read it all let alone like wow report. All i mean this. The people are taking this seriously. So but the wikipedia jellies the first few pages are supposed to be a beginner's guide so if you choose to explore the back rooms on your own in this world for lake. Let's say you go and try to know clip the end up in the back rooms. The wiki is supposed to be the beginner's guide were Where people can add information as they discovered on their own journeys to help future wanderers when they explore the backrooms k. So it's basically the encyclopedia for back rooms at but they call it like. Oh how come you can see this. But it's supposed to be like on the other side of the simulation it's the guide apparently like a hitchhiker's guide to the back rooms rather than bingo the galaxy bingo so got it and when i say people have gotten so into it that it's like overwhelming there. Are there different levels ak different rooms in the back rooms and there's not just like a few christine lake in the wiki page. There's different the thought of it. Overwhelms me like there's There are so many rooms that people have voluntarily written about from their own experience when they visited the backgrounds. I couldn't even read all of the different rooms that there were in a in an amount of time like like hundreds hundreds maybe thousands. And there's an because it's read it in like of stem from four chan so there's like people who are doing like playful. Trolling like it's not just like level. One level two level three level four twenty or like negative seven point three b. grandma's house like it's sasso truly multi-diverse where it's like even if you think oh there's a level eight no there's like ten different sub levels to level eight. Some of them are negative. Some of them are positive and when they were at your grandma's house. Gross there's one called level fund which apparently is not fucking fine. I don't wanna go there. There is like random a here. So i will show you. I'll send you a link here. And i want you to click through at your self. All centered 'second but so even just like reading all the rooms. I cannot give you a proper set of information on this. I can't go in depth because there's so many that all deserve like mentioned so when it sounds like they're being added to write instantly call. Yeah yeah so They're not only. Are there several rooms like that. There several entities like different monsters per room. There's also like when i say world building. There's these huge. There's a huge list of different groups of explorers who apparently regularly go in that people have like written stories about like an. I think if i'm correct certain reddit users identify as being part of certain groups. And then they've all built their own rivalries and alliances and like and then they all these groups have their own storylines like some of the groups. Like disbanded like literally disbanded. Some of them are being joined right now. Some of them have created in the canon. Am i saying cannon right. I feel yeah thought it so many times right but so envious story arcs. They've also created like little posts where based on what room. You're in in the back rooms. You can find people from that explorer group selling items. That can help you in future rooms. Oh there i mean it's banana so okay. This is just one. This is on the back room zwicky page and it's called all main levels. This is just the main levels. So like just click that and tell me how many fucking levels uc because what those. No those are all individual rooms. I could be reporting on right now. Okay but this is cluster one. And then you scroll and there's cluster to let's just say clusters in two to date the the quote. There's there's at least a level four thousand ten. At least so i was doing. My masters reggie. I'm going to estimate probably a few thousand here. There's literally four thousand and ten and each you can click in. It'll give information on what that room is. So it's like. I mean there's no way i was going to report on all. This was literally thousands. You can click through. So this is its own podcast. This would be yes podcast. We just go through a different room each time and also And also the the sick part of it with like the like the playful. Trolling and i do say playful trolling. Because it's just like people building world together in a being fun. Even though i say it looks like there's about four thousand amount of levels because the last one i see as level four thousand ten someone for fun could have just like there could be like no levels. Twenty five through three thousand issues like they just at random. Pick their favourite number and make a level for it and so okay well just for fun. I clicked on a random one. Can i tell you about this. Yeah i clicked level. Twelve fifty six and it's called closet madness and it features millions upon miles the snarly correct. This level is millions upon miles of closets. When you open a closet door it will only lead to others. Every time on my star of the level has no clothes and okay and rarely has green closet labeled ad to these closets will slowly replace every normal closet. These eighty two doors will be common in the dark zone. The closet doors open will slam shut exactly ten minutes after opening them. This is a class one area. What on and yeah so in some of it doesn't totally make sense like how you are stumbling on certain things. It's because those are part of the story lines for other rooms and so right like class one. Whatever it's really like the marvel cinematic universe if you don't start for movie wine like you're not going to get all the nuances for every other little thing. So it's there's all these little easter eggs and all this that you have. If you're really involved in it you like we would probably like. Oh the the doors with the number eighty two on it. obviously obviously so it's it gets really overwhelming and that's just all of the main that's the main levels. Apparently here i'll show you this one. There are also just as many negative levels which. I don't even like not negative like in like i don't think meaning like negativity favourite or positively favored like literally. They're just the number like negative one twenty flake one thousand. It's like getting on an elevator and you've hit for negative forty three thousand like franco fucking reason and i don't know why they're divvied up that way. Maybe they actually do have a difference. I'm not aware of it well. Level negative three has a lot of disco balls and omni present hounds. good hounds are one of the entities. Oh no so in. Some of the entities are good. Some of the entities are bad while we're gonna have wifi. Okay yep that we're gonna talk about that. Oh really okay so crazy anyway. So when i'm you let like this is quite a like just like an early intro gaming the surface skimming the surface. Thank you. i totally lost my mind. I believe there's no way. I can tell you every single lemon and no one would want to hear that many right. There's no way you can retain that much information so anyway. So that's what i'm talking about. Those and then i also wanted to talk about the entities which also sending you a link to so you can see. I couldn't even cover all of the monsters that are in this world because there are so fucking many some of them are just the seven deadly sins created it. Like maid ensued chicken monsters. There's hounds their smiler's their excuse me. There's a death sheep others death. Moths by the way. I don't like that I mean it's there's so many monsters terrible there's one called children of the broken and there's just called limb scratcher. These are mannequins. Okay oh yeah. There's like living statue. Shows that can kill you feel like you end up in a room and all even when deaths somewhere like you end up in a room and there's like what you think are manikins but then they're like living statues and will come at you. There's one there's one thing called on sticks spic and those are living stick figures and apparently like they'll sprint it. You know like random shit so the creation of random people online being like. Oh yeah like. Here's another monster add. Here's another monster. Remind me of like a creepy pasta. Where you're like. No sleep where you're like what. What's the weirdly unsettling thing that scares people. But we don't even know it would scare us and it's like a living stick figure that runs it you one. It's almost kind of an acumen on space whereas like every conspiracy crammed together. It's like every no sleep. Fear cramps again in the back rooms and they all live together happily ever after in a big brother style house. I mean this is awful. All right christine. 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Because if you're in level ten and you see a door that says it and you're trying to get out you might end up in level negative thirty one twenty. Be grandpa who knows so the idea is that you are trapped indefinitely because no matter how you think you could escape you just end up deeper and deeper the only way. It starts out linear for the most part. I guess there's some ways where it could switch or something But for the most part the first few levels are linear and then after that it just really breaks off into chaos so you start at level zero. Which is that creepy yellow picture. I send you right and then eventually you will find yourself at level one but as time goes on the journey again it can branch off. So when i said in that quotes. Things probably won't be done that order. There's also so many random rules written into the concept into the the lore of backrooms that most levels to enter them require some sort of weird loophole or trap door. So if you're intentionally looking for like level nine you have to do certain things or you have to get lost enough to find a certain room that is the only access point into that level so it it gets really fucking crazy. Here's an example. Because i wanted to at least do like with a few of the levels. I wanted to give you like Examples of how people enter them or leave them. Yeah and i'm only going to give you one because it's such a fucking headache so this is just how this this is just for Level zero the main room. Oh my god okay and it just goes to show you that people are just constantly building and building on this with their own random information that becomes like concrete knowledge apparently share. This is a quote from The wiki page for level zero. You can break through the floor level. Twenty seven if you find a scratch wall which is extremely rare. it's weaker and breaking into it will transport you to level one hundred eleven if you wonder long enough you can get through the manila room. Hallway z z x. Or room zero which is different than level zero. Apparently you can take an elevator. That lisa level one fifty three or level one fifty two or no clip through a broken damp wallpaper an anti level to fifty one or by entering a white door in level. Two fifty one. If you punch a hole in a wall in this level and go through it you will. It will send you to level four thousand two and it was recently discovered. That staring at fluorescent lights for too long in any level can send you back to level zero so like that was the most care. I think. I've ever fucking grass was more chaotic as somebody who was literally recently diagnosed with developmental topographic car. I think that this is actually. And i think you harming me right now. The funniest part is that you would be the one who just seamlessly mated out of the back. I was thinking that i was like either. It would be my worst nightmare. Or i'd be like oh cool a wall think this looks correct and i accidentally wander right back into my bedroom like maybe it was meant for me. It would have to be dumb luck. Like just sheer most lost person. But i mean that's suggest an example of all the things you can do in one level and there's thousands of them so really at random you could pick one level but all the rooms at that level all the they're not even i mean so the the places i mentioned you can transport or teleport from level zero level twenty-seven level one one level. One five three one five to level two five one level. Four thousand two or manila room hallway z x. Or room zero like none of it makes sense. Just complete chaos. Oh my god and because there's literally hundreds and thousands of them and i'm not gonna go through them. I will at least go over. What is called the made nine. So let's do that to level zero. We've already covered level. One is the next one that you in theory would approach next and that was. Apparently the room is called lurking danger. Great off It looks different to different people. But mainly has the same yellow pallet with like concrete walls and lights. It has more staircases so it's already hell for me. Those elevators why there staircase stairs in this mothers hallways. There's crates with random items so apparently the items are important in the lorber like if you see a certain item you can trade it with other people that you along the way. Some of them might be explorers with their own or are facing or a face laying or a duchy racing's in level one by the way are they apparently facings are friendly but one of the they could be violent and i see someone and one time there's a faceless child with a red vest and i'm going to have the worst nightmares thank you for all this. There's also in level one another entity called the skin steelers which is currently are the worst one for. They are humanoid figures who wear the skin of their victims. Here's a quote about skin steelers. Their outer layer of flesh is covered with microscopic bumps similar to the suckers of an octopus tentacles. Which by the way. I will say i noticed a lot. I don't know if one person is really into octopuses and unlike wrote about that on a lot of pages. But i noticed a lot of like squid octopus humanoid creatures This skin will stick to torn off humans and push and pull on it to make the skin of the victim fit until the skin. Steeler looks identical to a human so like a shrink. Wrap your skin onto its body until look like you. After about twenty four hours skin will be digested through the surface. Askin steeler and in the skin steeler will enter docile state and wander around aimlessly. So if you see a skin steeler and he's acting pretty calm he just ate another human. Oh by god. So that was my favorite part about level one again. Has all of the crazy fucking chaotic rules. As level zero had not getting into it and then there's level to which is apparently called pipe dreams and it is very dark and has narrow hallways. It has a bunch of pipes drip and apparently it can get very very uncomfortably. Warm in there yikes Entities and here include but are not limited to crawlers smiler's and clumps so crawlers. Sound horrible sound. Worse and surprisingly clumps are the scariest Let me send you a picture of a clump. Nothing's rac- picture of a clump. I'm like keep looking behind me. There's just one corner and it's like six inches. But i keep looking just in case. This is a clump. You can find these and level two. You can also find these multiple levels. That just happened. One of them happens to be designated in level two. So here you go. That's a clump. Oh no it's basically a clump of limbs that climbed surfaces cross through the vents. To find you here is a quote from wikipedia or from the back rooms wiki page. Oh no every clump has one very long arm which they can use to grab you from eight feet away. No once a clump grabbed you. They'll reveal a set of sharp teeth and begin to pull you in an each you. It is believed if you are eating your own limbs and possibly fragments of your mind are absorbed into the clump. So just gets bigger and bigger as it takes of your mind. A lot of the rooms have do with losing your your sanity. obviously then there's level three which is called the electrical station which apparently is also very narrow in anxiety do sink but has the strongest wifi seles. Some tiktok it'll apparently the backrooms also have their own cell data and landlines useful lamb lies. I love that. Somehow millennials on tiktok still know it a landline is. That's comforting. Well the they'd also has their own computer sources. Some of the rooms you'll just find like rows of computers and apparently there's ways to hack into different rooms of the back rooms if you know programs to set up on those computers so part of the laura's if you go into this room and see this computer in this program that all of a sudden the rooms will like reverse or wild things like that so sure Do that what is that. That's my rebbe. there remain basically my roommate. Fuck country songs. they clump. actually. I literally thought you were going to be sucked in by clump. Apparently the wifi password is it heard you just Apparently once you log onto the wifi they advise you don't but if you need it it's there but if you do then they than all the entities contract you oh well so still need it. 'cause so can't function neither order instacart later. I at least get myself a pizza. While i'm being eaten by a clump. Maybe if i give the compete so he won't eat me so if you give the clump of pizza if you give them as a cookie yeah so level. Four is an office space without furniture and with windows sometimes but the windows are traps. That don't go near them anthem. We're back at the haunted h. and r. block again. It sounds like a and there's also fewer entities there which means more people gather there because they feel safe. So when you're starting out if you wanna find outposts that sell goods that can keep you safe while you're there or if you wanna talk to other explorers level because it's more likely over people there keep in mind. They're also really bad people that are there. So they're like it's it's also a toss up there of like if you see somebody do you want to interact with them. Level for is apparently easier to find to get back to which is nice it also has hot water fountains just see no Also fountains will say so. Here's a big part of the backrooms. Which i totally don't understand. And it had to have been a random bred at troll and then it just took off the back. Rooms are obsessed with almond water obsessed with all other. What's almond water. While i don't know but i can provide some. Maybe you're obsessed with almond water. You're projecting mike communal so yeah so the the water fountains everywhere is almond water if you find vending machines and abandoned spaces you'll see almond water in them. Sometimes you can treat like almond waters like a big commodity there and you can trade almond water for other goods to stay alive. I'm assuming this is like coconut water. But with what okay. So according to the wikipedia page allman water is in specifically for beckham's almond water is a healing substance. Dipping one's hand in the water will soothing relieve the skin while silencing voices inside the user's head helping to stay sane raw water however is poisonous. Can cause convulsions. And severe migraines so boiling. It makes makes it safe to drink. So now you have to get a fucking stove and boyle the my goodness said anyway. Arman water is like the catchall potion to keep yourself safe campus. Googling this to see if it's actually anything i it's got it's really had to have been like a random person on reddit just created this in everyone ran with it because now this is a theme. We know it's a popular european drink. I guess it just came over here but apparently on shark tank. Somebody's been in this last fall. Somebody came with almond water and was trying to sell it. Works so must be ready. Rahab it so level five is Moving just moving on quickly. 'cause level five is the has internet connection is unstable. That's fucking yeah. You're frozen a little bit. Sorry oh is that better. You're you're back on now shit okay. Terrifying rooms are trying to hey talker hyphen in. They heard you okay. So level five is the smallest level. It's pretty safe but it's easy to get lost and that's one of the oldest and most cluttered there's also another squid humanoid creature there who only goes after mentally unstable people. I'm dead. We're all apparently if he use sell data here. Google maps will tell you that the location is listed as hollywood california. That sounds about right and there are two different areas in the space. One is a a hotel and one is the boiler and our elevators there. But if you take them you'll die immediately okay. Level level six is just pitch black empty metal rooms also like a boiler room. It's very dangerous. You will go insane if you find. Level sex level. Seven is a room that is flooded by endless water for as far as the eye can see and on the ground underneath the water. There are skeletons and tar all over the floor. The water is distilled of thank god and to leave level seven. You have to find a hole in the carpet on water or you have to take a door back to level for. I'll take the door. I don't think the dark level eight is the last one. I'll talk about but it's a pitch black cave with many spiderlike entities. Some that will kill you Also near the dead ends of this cave people will get dragged down to the ground in their bodies will get slowly ripped apart cool. Almond water drips from the case. Is it distilled. Also just real quick so i know what you just explained about your body being ripped apart a little bit like spaghetti vacation. I'm just saying i'm telling you there's a lot of weird overlaps here So there's also a the hub. Which apparently is this concrete. A collection of tunnels. I think of it as like an abandoned subway station and it's got a bunch of different Tunnels that lead to different backrooms and can't gather here so it's another place for people visit and then my favorite room is the end which is not the end by the way is it's a false room to like make you feel hopeful that you're you finally escaped so you haven't and it's a library with no books but a bunch of computers and a lot of people try to use the computers to type in programs or something allegedly. It's not real and tricks people into thinking they've gotten out some people think it's actually a secret passageway into the true but nobody's ever found it. The true exit for all we know is called level. I won't i am not getting into all the entities. Because i there's just so many of them but a fan breath you will tell me one more. There's apparently this is a popular one. Because every time. I looked up entities. This was like the main searched one so his name is jerry. He's he's a blue parrot. He likes sunflower seeds and almond water. Yeah and if you don't have any water to give him just avoid at all costs because they'll try to convert you into his cult. Following is what i've been told. Wait wait wait. So he's like. I don't want you in my call but yeah i guess so. Okay she apparently will like indoctrinated hundreds of people already. They call themselves the followers of jerry and they call jerry himself. Father bluebird yemen already. I mean he's convinced me just by that i'm in take much. So that's one of the entities that you can come across in the background. It's apparently a fan favorite. Although sounds like he's already got a little bit of a cult following saw accents and then the last thing to say is there are many groups and apparently colonies of like people who have gotten stepped down there and now they're just people who live in the back rooms there's The groups that are explorers and are intentionally researching it so they can help you find a way out all in the story line. If you were to go into the back rooms you'll find these explorers one of the groups. That's an an expert. Group is called the meg which aches sounds a lot lalo algan but it stands for the major explorer group and they created a list on this wicky page. Four what you should bring once you find the back room so like what should be in your like emergency kit. When you're on the back some of the items include a first aid kit antibiotics and easy to conceal weapon but not a gun because the sound will learn entities. Apparently a crossbow was okay Also a timer. Because since time is warped there you'll need to how long you've been down there cream. Obviously almond water and then they said to bring a ski mask to hide your identity but also to prevent frostbite which. I don't know what that means. Oh no they also. I looked up the page for the meg on On the back rooms wikipedia. Apparently they sell sell in this world their own emergency button for when you're in the back rooms to signal mega explorers to come help you out of certain levels because most levels to death in case you didn't know or like losing your mind apparently in their designated outposts or they're fake shops in the back rooms you can buy an emergency button for ten bottles of almond water. And according to their backrooms wicky page the button is currently on sale. It's not just for ten bottles of water. It's on sale for either five dollars of of water or they will sell to you in exchange for items such as ice cream so while last thing fun fact in case you'd like to see the back rooms on your own safely and realistically there are many game. Companies and rising game creators who are making simulator versions of the back rooms for you to yourself. You know what like with that. Vr oculus south very creepy. Oh yeah like tunnels games in every room. Scarier than the last with different yasser. Yeah so anyway. That is the back rooms that is just the creepiest thing. And i've never even heard of it. That's how uncool. I am and i'm looking at this now. It's called victorious kitchen almond water. So i don't know if maybe they're sponsoring this whole creepy pasta or what because it sounds like maybe big almond water has a stake in operation. Big oh you know so just listen. I'm not trying to slander them. It out there saying anyway. That is what people have been freaking out about because they probably seen like creepy images like the backrooms on tiktok and they weren't getting like direct answers about what the fuck it really they were just seeing like the law written about it and getting really scared people in to report on it. But i'm here to tell you it is a a world created out of rennet as most things. Apparently are they talk about. Thank god that one episode. I talked about anonymous where i liked it. A whole deep dive into four chan. Thank god because that has become weirdly useful few time good like i mean q. On the back rooms they're anonymous. There have been so many times that like knowing the history of rather than how it came to be has somehow found itself in my stories. Here i feel like our entire reality is now becoming just created by read it. It feels that way. yeah so i just lit a candle to just cleanse myself all this oh no offense faceless folks and all this business i'm i'm kind of not feeling it. I don't know what to tell you. It was intentional. That i feel that way. So don't worry you don't need tell me i already knew. Perfect well I have a few that i'm I'm excited about. Because i had no clue about it and it is just one of these strange one off stories that you don't necessarily hear much about that is just bananas. Oh this is a story of abraham shoulder and yes that is his given name. that is a male shakespeare. it is indeed and you'll hear more about him so we two thousand six on november. Fifteenth abraham shakespeare forty one year old man living in tampa bay florida. Who worked as a casual laborer. Just had a normal day. He was according to tampa bay times. He was assigned to ride shotgun for a truck driver. That day named michael ford on an overnight food route to miami basically where they just drop off groceries and food at different different stops and almond milk or almond wants different evolvement water. Don't you dare say almond milk. We're going to have to leave that out. I'm so sorry. I'm so all new words. We weren't sponsored by by dairy version. Apparently on so they were dropping off almond water all these different spots and they made a delivering winter haven than a town star mini mart. In lakeland nope sorry in frost. Proof florida there's all sorts of fun names down there. Yeah and in lakeland and then ford asked shake. Shakespeare abraham shakespeare if he wanted anything and abraham asked for a pair of quick picks lottery tickets worth two dollars. So they're on this drive and this guy. Ford is going to run inside the mini mart. And he says you wanna thing. He says yeah. Can you buy me a couple of lottery tickets. So that night the lotto numbers came out. And abraham one mic or how how so according to the florida lotto website to match all six of the jackpot numbers would be a one in twenty two million nine hundred fifty seven thousand four hundred eighty statistic but he had done it in just for win the lottery. He won the jackpot. he went thirty million dollars. Okay good night. And i know su he won big time. Do you wanna guess what the numbers were. Maybe you'll win. I have aware how many are there. Six six is twenty two one of them no. Yeah well. I'm not gonna win. Lose thirty nine one of them. Nope neither of us. We're gonna win okay. Well they were six twelve thirteen thirty four forty two and fifty two. Wow so he won the lotto and it was thirty million dollars. You won the jackpot and according to the sun instead of choosing annual payments of a million dollars abraham opted to a once off payment of seventeen million dollars so that's like with all the taxes and everything taken out so he got seventeen million dollars handed over to him. So if i'm gonna give you you know how they say like oh you know back in to give you some context of inflation like a gallon of milk cost this much back in the thirties versus now. So i'm going to give you kind of a little Just a way to kind of comprehend this magnitude of money so yes so. If you're picturing what might seventeen million dollars look like if you went to zach begins haunted museum merch store website. You'd be able to buy one million seven hundred eight thousand five hundred and forty three copies of his new cd neck fusion for nine ninety nine. So you'd like to purchase how purchase the haunted mansion house. Purchase zach pagans. Oh probably he's priceless. You know what that was more than seventeen million dollars. Yeah that yeah. More than seventeen worth every penny and my is worth every penny so this was obviously a game changer. Her abraham He'd been born in hebron florida in nineteen sixty six and had dropped out of school after the seventh grade. He was at a state run. Juvenile detention center from ages thirteen to eighteen. He was never taught to read or write. He had no car no credit card. He was making eight dollars an hour in the tampa bay. Times tells us that quote. He had a long criminal record. Mostly he loitered. He drove when he wasn't allowed to drive. He stole he hip. People and later he didn't pay for the child he fathered. He went to prison twice. After he got out in nineteen ninety-five he lived with his mother so that was his background and when he collected his winnings he said i don't have to struggle no more and he put that ethos to practice straight away. And despite this kind of checkered background you might say. He was an extremely generous man and pretty much immediately like tried to make it right with everybody that he owed that he felt that he owed. Okay yeah so. When the government called upon the almost nine thousand dollars in child support he owed for example. He paid that and then put one million dollars in a trust fund for his son his life as you can imagine like completely flipped upside down. He bought a two thousand six. F one fifty eight two thousand seven. Bmw and he bought himself a one point one million dollar house that was six thousand five hundred and one thousand nine hundred square feet large show with a pool and two car. Garages so big old house. He also bought a separate house for a hundred and twenty five thousand dollars to with plans to rent it out and yes not only. Was he kind of buying himself stuff. He also started giving money away quite he. Yes question. that has nothing to do with us. I just have a human question. What would if you had that much money. What would be the first thing you got the hosting purchased. Yeah we'll you're like your big your big thing. I mean knowing me. I'd be like wow. We should all go out for sushi. Like i like. I wouldn't be able to comprehend really. I think i'd i'd be too afraid of spending a big amount of money. I think i would know what to do. How do you do instantaneously. I would get the back to the future. Shoes that are worth fifty. Oh yeah that's a good one then. I would get a first edition. Charred from the bay set a then out dorian without question and i would get it off except to look exactly like back to the future part two set of the delorean and when would you pay pay me back for all the not all the night out. That's no that's not in the plan and get like get like one of every like official. I would buy out like a captain. America shield from marvel itself which is like each shield is lake thousands of dollars. I would be afraid to be one of those people. They always do features on where they spent all their money and then broke. Like i'd be so afraid of like spending all my money collectively. All of those things would cut will delorean is about thirty to fifty getting souped up. Let's say let's say sixty eight fifty million no no thousand dollars. Oh another suzy it. Probably i would need like a quarter million dollars to like live out my wildest fantasies and then the rest. I could order william. That's it yeah. I think so okay and then i would pay the rest of. I mean there are cars that cost more than a quarter million so surprised that i mean. I'm going to sushi. So i shouldn't judge but We'll eat sushi invites laureate okay. That's okay here we go. I think i would. Probably if i were gonna spend a big amount of money i would probably go on vaca- like i would go on a trip probably with my family or something like i would like. That's a big hurrah. And i would help my mom Rear kitchen because she's been talking about that for probably two decades and mike. It's about time somebody just does her kitchen. Just just just fix up the kitchen. I mean you've seen the house you've seen our house you win some more i would. I would then spend my money to have it re destroyed. Just put the creepy balloons back on. Sorry didn't mean to take away from the story. But i just like that's actually worth worth the money i felt right. Yeah i would probably buy. I would probably open like a little store and gonna vacation. I don't know. I don't know i would get get like a like a. Oh i get like a like a tree house. A tree house mansion in canada and i would also have a tiny house like to partner. Free hound floors. But that's a great deal. Like i would get a place in california so i could come like stay. I guess we have the apartment. But i would get like you know a like a permanent place or i would get a place near blazes family. I feel like i would just try to. I don't know how. How have your little footprint on all myself out. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Yeah so sorry. Not the most exciting answer. Everybody but think about it. Maybe i'd buy all you know what i would do. I know what. I would do by big farm where i like rescue animals. You are a. You've got quite the tender heart and muros like a tree house at a catch cashew. No but like i'm in you know i've been I'm in ken kentucky. Now there's a lot of land out here. I'll just by like a big thing land but then i'd have to hire people to take care of it. That's where the money would go. 'cause i'm not about learn how to tell the land okay. So your heart isn't it but your hands are not just flailing around like help. The app like i'm stupid. Actually good but i probably by like an elephant sanctuary. I don't. I would probably just do stupid stuff. That the end jake. I dunno listens critics. I'll probably think about this all day and continually text you with all my new updates so perfect anyway anyway. I'm such an idiot. That's not what i would do. I would buy one million seven hundred and eight thousand. Five hundred and forty. Three copies of zion snicker fusion. What was i thinking. I was shocked. I didn't come. But i take it all back. I take it all back. That's my answer the end anyway so he starts buying. He buys himself to cars. He buys himself a house Makes sense a rental property and he decides to start paying back the people that he felt had looked out for him and cared for him throughout his life so without a mind. His stepfather got a million dollars. His three step sisters got a quarter of a million dollars and he paid off his friends. One hundred and eighty five thousand dollar mortgage. Yeah he's very generous like right away. He gave his brother's son's best friend. Forty grand a good. That's a that's a good friend of my son. Apparently three degrees removed somehow. And you're still a man that must have been a smooth talking and son of a friend of He paid sixty thousand dollars a mortgage for a man whose last name he didn't even know he paid off. Fifty three thousand dollars of mortgage a man as abraham put it out of the neighborhood who he'd been knowing for a few years so just kind of people around in his life he was starting to pay back or at least support financially and then he even started paying for people's funerals they couldn't afford their family members funerals. He started paying for those as well. And polk county sheriff grad judd would later comment that it became common knowledge. That people were tugging on him for money so much so that people even began lining up outside of his house to try to talk to him. Glitch again is what you hear that if you win the lottery don't you don't you immediately is what i've heard. I mean not that i plans to. I'm the same thing to like. Just don't tell anyone because like even if you're trying to be wonderful and helpful like there's going to be people who just always people and like especially if you have a hard time saying no and you know people you know people who just have bad intentions And i think the thing that i've heard at least so everybody listening at their google. This before you take my advice but if you do in the lottery i've heard that you should immediately hire some a financial person to take that money and keep be careful with it because it's so easy to just like not no i mean even when we started our business and we started like making money for ourselves rather than like a job. We help water taxes like using. It's like. oh no the. The responsibility is outrageous. And that's not even a million little on seventeen million so i can't fathom but yeah they say like find somebody profession not haunted h. and r. block like a real real financial office that can like be responsible and help you and also i feel like that would be a good way to say you know if your brother's cousin's daughter's dog needed dollars you could be like i'm sorry you know my my money. Financial manager yeah. Handling i so i feel like. That's a good scapegoat. Yeah i'm giving lottery advice to your giving really good sound financial advice. We'll have to call leo later and be like everything. Christine say makes us going to be like actually were we even fielding calls from lawyers fucking shit up. Stop telling you don't want to help you anymore. Actually we've already discontinued working with axes. Here yeah good luck. We already know you're going to be in jail anyway. People were lining up outside his house and because they knew hey discuss just handing out money like i can ask him for money handy money. So one of the people to hop on the bandwagon was abraham's colleague. The man who had actually bought the ticket. Michael ford who they remember. They had been on the car ride together. Dropping off almond water. At all the quickie marts. I remember yes so he actually decided. In april two thousand seven to make claim that abraham was a liar and a thief and had stolen the lotto ticket out of his own outside wallet. Your so smooth move. He took him to court and at the trial which began in. May abraham arrived with garbage bags full of all the lottery tickets. He had bought over the years. He had so many lottery tickets that he's like. Oh yeah i still these from your wallet will like look at these thousands of tickets. I bought over my lifetime. And tell me that i had to steal these from you. You know so he brought. Those in slowly became obvious that the verdict was pretty much a no brainer and ford was just jealous and wanted a chunk of change for himself and was probably bitter. He didn't by the right ticket. Or who knows what but so in october. Nineteen thousand seven. The jury found abraham not guilty of stealing ford's wallet. It only took them an hour to reach that decision and even though it was a good outcome for him it did cost him eight. Eight hundred thousand dollars in legal fees. Eight hundred thousand dollars who ever. I don't even understand that number really but how many zeros a million holy shit many for my brain to comprehend so now that it was over. He told the tampa tribune that he was looking forward to waking up in the morning getting a fishing pole and going fishing. So at this point. He's like i just wanna be myself. Nb cleaned my hands. I wash my hands from those. I wash my hands of this. And i go catch some trout so by this point abraham had obviously become overwhelmed with the amount of people from friends to complete rondos him for money and with his generosity. Being tested one of his childhood friends even remembers a conversation with him where he revealed. I'd have been better off broke. Yeah so he gets to a point where a couple people confirm this. And there's a guy that we're gonna bring later named gregory smith who was a friend of his and Was his boss for awhile. And gregory becomes like a big player in this but basically he was saying yet he got two point. Abraham got to a point where he was like. I wish i'd never won the lottery. That's how hard was on him. And that's how much stress and hardship. This was bringing that he really wished he had never even gotten to that point. He wished he had been back to the old old ways which is to sounds like a parable. Some sort. i don't know if it's really sad. So he basically was of the mindset. That had been better off broke so he said i thought all these people were my friends but then i realized all they want is just money. So you know he realizes he's being taken advantage of. He's like hemorrhaging money. Basically right And one stranger who had found out about this generous lotto winner. Here we go. Her name is doris. dd more. She was a thirty seven year. Old white woman also from cbs. Florida who was a wheelchair bound writer and businesswoman. Who decided that she was going to step in and do a good deed. For abraham this generous lotto winner who was being tested by the world by other people. So dd hears about abraham success at a business conference in kissimmee florida. Where real estate agent barbara jackson was like. Hey we have this client tampa bay. Who actually won the lottery and he wants seventeen million dollars a few months ago. So dis like being being You need to put me in contact with this guy. Or i want to write a book about him so sure. Whatever so this Barbara woman puts. Dd in touch with this man. Abraham and they agree to set up a meeting and they decide to meet at abraham's house and this is pretty much immediately. Were the red flags begin waving. Because the asia later recalled to the tampa bay times quote. When came to the house. She jumped out of a hummer walking. She said what healed herself from the car accident. That had put her in a wheelchair through scuba therapy. Okay i don't. I don't know enough about having your legs not work and then you do scuba and i feel like it doesn't sound right. Doesn't you know what you don't understand. Is that it was scuba in almond water. Not gone and that is a healing property. That's exactly right. So you take a little dive dive into some almond water and those legs ext right up So she comes running out of this hummer and she's like oh yeah that don't worry i took scuba therapy and i'm better and it's like okay. Weird all of a sudden. I wanted to scuba therapy and figure out what was wrong. The whole time and like didn't i didn't even notice that until like i do scuba. I'm like one hundred times a better version of office sudden. You'll be like explaining black holes in quantum physics and wall be like. Wow the national genius on this planet. Also you did not mean that like bush's better because she can walk now. That does not how. I meant that i felt like it's on. Don't worry because i mean she was not. Actually we just like let me go scuba dive and then see like if i can sleep less than twelve hours a day you know. Let's see how it is manifest in every person it's it's it's it's not magic okay. I wouldn't say so much you're right. i'm sorry it has miraculous healing properties. But not like that excessive. I it was too much. It was too much man. I mean to be fair. She was in a wheelchair allegedly due to a car accident. It wasn't like it was like an injury. Rather i mean right right allegedly i just didn't mean to offend anybody with my poorly thought out joke i understand. We all think you're hilarious. Don't worry So she shows up. Comes running out of this hummer and it's like oh yes scuba therapy do not even worry about it and Anyway so they meet in october two thousand and they decide to chat about this book idea. Dd has but then she suddenly decides she is a bigger calling in this whole scenario scuba. Is it scuba as feet now. I agree investment opportunity sharks. It's called almond water. So she decides she's a bigger calling and she can do so much more for this poor man as a businesswoman herself Yikes so she has heard about abraham's generosity that has been taken advantage of and the fact that he spent a lot of his winnings already and she decides you know what i'm going to extend the generosity back to you with all of my extensive business management skills so they agree that abraham would allow d to live in his house rent free in exchange for her quote unquote business management. Okay here we go yeah. Yep yep yep yep yep. I see where it's going and i don't like it. Yeah it's not good. It's it's red flags go or so with that in mind. Abraham signs his houses over two ds comfy american medical professionals llc. Which sounds like the most generic company. I am ever An january two thousand nine. He gives her ownership of all of his outstanding loan Which amount to four hundred thousand dollars and didi claims. This is to ensure that. Abraham doesn't get screwed over by people again but from a police perspective. The first notable event to come out of this new relationship occurs in november of two thousand nine so november ninth two thousand nine man named cedric item reports to police that his cousin abraham is missing. So what's even more bizarre that cedric hadn't seen abraham since april of that year. So to give you a time. Line like recap the so in january of two thousand nine. He signs over his houses. His bank accounts everything to didi. In april is the last his family sees him and then in november they report him missing and so it wasn't just cedric. his family also hadn't seen him in all this time but they kind of didn't think much of it because they thought like he was out travelling. Just one seventeen million dollars thinking like sharia stuff seeing ever right right. Like you're you're you're your. What did i say i was going to buy a house. I don't know come up with something better than connecticut in california. That's your house. Can you imagine if you bought a tree house. And i'm like hi. i'm your neighbor. You'd be like oh i left. I would close my the blinds. Ak the leaves of my treehouse. One leaf at a time. Right crisscrossed the branches until you know more. Oh my god you put a bunch of rose bushes so from entering. Yeah so basically. They're thinking oh he's probably just running around with his money and trying to kind of get away from all the stress and all these people who keep asking him stuff so they didn't really think much of it for a while and His friends had remained in contact with him via text so they thought well like we're talking to him just we haven't seen him. Everything's fine and another person who had heard from him was his mom elizabeth walker so a couple of months ago in august abraham had sent her a card for her birthday which included across a one hundred dollar note in abraham signature in his all capital handwriting that he was known for and Everyone up until this point assumed he had been trying to escape all the people who are taking advantage of him and calling him constantly literally lining up outside his house so they just thought okay. He's probably just you know taking a break from the world so they thought There was another incident that happened around this time. Which is that. He had had a second son. Born to a much younger woman that had sort of spiraled him into this frenzy because he did not see it coming. It wasn't part of his plans and they thought maybe this happened all the stress and he just decided to take time off and go elsewhere so in an interview didi revealed to officers. Don't worry he wanted to be missing. Okay wow i'm sure every serial killer wanted to try that one out about even imagine can't come up with anything better that. She says he wanted to be missing. He was off enjoying a holiday and he actually recently talked to her about traveling to the caribbean sea. And they're like oh yeah and she's like. Oh interestingly enough. I actually have a video of it. And they're like a video she's like yes. Let me play you this videotape so she is a video that she had filmed in the year and this is the conversation and they do play in the twenty twenty episode. I watched it goes as follows didi says. Do you get tired of people asking you for money. You're just ready to start living your life He responds they. Don't take no for an answer. She says so. Where do you wanna go. He says it don't matter to me. I'm not picky person. Jesus california foreign country. 'cause mel are you going to miss your home. And he said if. I miss it but life goes on and so she's like see he wanted to leave and i video recorded it in. They're like why did you video record. Was this like this. Like off the cuff. Like like she left the camera on on the counter by accident. Or was she like she was in action oral holding. And it's so schedule because you can't even tell if he knows he's being filmed the shaky like so tell me. Do you wanna leave this country forever. It's i'm calling it now premeditated murder. Yes yes it's premeditated fully because it's like. Oh i have a video of him saying he wants to leave the country first of all. What are we. We're odds that you happen to videotape this moment in the video. You're going to want to leave the country. Do you wanna do you want to get like like throwing him low balled. Yeah so let's see. She's like no no. This is proof that he wanted to be missing. So for instance went we started become more suspicious and one friend said it would be amazing to me if he just up and left. It was so out of character for the man who used to show up at the super choice supermarket every day. So this guy had a life here. He was going to the supermarket every day. He had friends they were like. I mean i know he won all this money but it just doesn't strike me as he doesn't trust me someone who had just peace out on his right but you know i guess it happened so nobody quite knew. But in december abraham's mom received a more detailed letter from abraham explaining that he was fine and that he liked being missing. I beg to differ. Yes so on the surface like maybe a letter like this would be comforting but instead it was immediately disconcerting to his family and friends because remember he had never learned to read or write. That is a red flag red flag. That's a bright red flag. Yeah that's a hot pink. Red flag hot white and it goes back to white burning. Hang on. hey it's actually pile of ashes. It was so hot just melted bowl two lightning from the sky. It's we're all we all being smited. Yes so his mom is like okay. I got this deeds and his poor mother. She's like she's just worried about her son. She gets this birthday card from him and she's like i guess he's fine and then she gets longest letter and she's like wait. He didn't know how to read or write my sony. What's going on here. Yeah did he learn to this cozumel maybe and also for someone who's never written. I bet he had beautiful handwriting out. I mean even some of his friends were like yeah. It was weird because he would text me but like he. He didn't know how to spell so like the texts that were coming through. Were like really well written. And like it's just not how he wrote so just all very fishy and So you know this when they were like oh something is wrong but what followed in december of two thousand nine was call that abraham made to his mother that quote unquote. Abraham made his mother where he spoke to her on the phone and said. Don't worry i'm fine. everything's fine. So really fishy really shady and it would only be a month later. December january twenty ninth of two thousand ten that investigators were led by a tip to a backyard of a property owned by twenty three year. Old shark chris niki. So this twenty. Three year old man shar had a property and underneath this property under nine feet of dirt. They found the body of forty two year. Old abraham it had been buried under a newly constructed slab of concrete. He was found wearing red denim trousers. A white shirt and a bomber jacket but shoes had been removed along with all metal zipper his coats. And so apparently somebody had been thinking of metal detectors and had removed right any metal off of his person so clearly. This was a again. Yes exactly like this was clearly not an accident so dr delay white whose medical examiner would discover in abraham's autopsy. That body was mummified. Partially skeleton is and that he'd been underground for a few months. Oh wow. I'm not so surprised but just what a shame. Yeah it is. it's it's really especially. He was such a nice guy. Just trying to help everybody. It's it's it truly is like. Oh my god. I said shakespearean it surely is like very fucking tragic. It's like something good happens. And just downhill curse all the way till the end and i will tell you every episode like twenty twenty and true crime daily. The number of a shakespearian references wink wink. They're like But she was but this shrew wouldn't be tamed and outta here dorky. but they didn't act like they were being funny. They took it very seriously and it was like okay. I i hate love it by. Hey i was like amusement. I was like oh. Are we not laughing at that. Okay i if. I didn't need this from my own research. I'd be really impressed This this would be tamed. So anyway so they find his body obviously extremely tragic. He had been down there for months and two bullets were found lodged near his spine and his heart so he had been shot twice. So now you're thinking who is shar krasniqi this random dude. Well my friends at turns out shaar was the boyfriend of none other than Certain doors didi more Okay yeah that's her boyfriend so that being said. Dd claim to be just as surprised as anyone else boyfriend had the body of her. Friend abraham is we go got guffaw. Means to laugh. Doesn't it but god is gay guy. Got his excellent E gadd so she is shocked but then then she's like well maybe it was drug dealers and Also maybe it was his lawyer who killed him so she just start spiraling into all. These potential things of what could have happened. Yeah she even blames her own. Fourteen year old son and says oh. Maybe he shot him. That's a toxic relationship right there. Not your boyfriend okay mom so then she suggests well maybe it's something to do with it but it was self defense. She's all over the place on february second. Twenty ten d more was taken into custody and charged as an accessory after the fact although de continue to assert the quote the money was like a cursed him. And now it's become a curse to me. God knows i would never take another human. Being's life my boyfriend do it. well well. Well i'll give you some more details so we got some more details here. That suggests otherwise misdee- that maybe you are full of shit is another way of saying that so now is where we do act three. The curtain kind of the irony advair that lap. And then maybe gr- gin and tonic. Refill down. i get my raisin. That's sprayed thirty sierra mist. I grabbed my large vodka. And we sit down and we're ready for act three where everything go ahead. Oh we beat. We beat the bathroom line. Gosh we could just sit here and get back to our texts. Throw quick make sure the baby sitters. You know watching. Go along sign. So we're back in act three. And this is where shit's going to go down. So as a recap we remember. Abraham won the lottery november of two thousand six january two thousand nine. He transferred his home over to dvd and Turns out that wasn't the only thing that she was transferring. Because all of his financial assets started to slowly trickle into account as well so while she's quote unquote being his financial manager It's not just you know his house that she's taken over it's just slowly. She's taking money straight out of his bank account. Sure yeah It turns out that she the following month the month after he had signed over how his house to her. She bought a chevy corvette a for her boyfriend. Which came out to seventy thousand dollars. Cash a wool deo. Who and a week later. She bought a two thousand nine. Hummer priced at ninety thousand dollars for herself. Didn't she have a fucking hummer. Yeah so she to nine homers in new hummer. Oh right okay. The other thousand nine. She bought a two thousand nine hummer. I i'm sorry should the first one was the two thousand eight it was to. Grody now. Got yeah what. What do you think she'd be caught dead. Screw who she paid for both with a cashier's check from her business account in other words she's transferring hundreds of thousands of dollars into her own account from him and it would later be revealed by her ex husband's videotaped interview that didi then quote asked him to dig a hole on her property with abaco that april so she could hide chunks of concrete from a building inspector. He said she called me one afternoon. Wanted me to come dig. That whole. She told me she was gonna put concrete and stuff in it said james more i left. She called me back later. Asked me to come and fill it in. And that's what i did. More said he nothing about abrahams murder or details of his ex wife's relationship. With abraham i've never met the man he said. I've never seen the man. I never put nobody in a whole okay. So that's where we stand. He dug the hole. But he's like. She told me she was trashing. It i didn't know there was going to be a body. I feel like if anyone asked me to like dig that big of a whole. It'd be confused. I wouldn't. I wouldn't ask. I wonder but i wouldn't ask. Yeah it depends. I wouldn't do aches. I don't know how but that's a different talked to build a pig. I if i had to dig something that looked eerily life-sized body shaped i think i would. I would play dumb. And then i would like go. Tell the police anonymously. Just so we all know. I dug a hole. Arno what's going on it but it looked. It was a specific size. And i would never dig all. It'd be like shell do tomorrow. And then i go the police and be like she wants me to dig a hole. Can you check. Because i don't want to do the whole so if you could find some criminal activity and i don't need to dig the hole that would be ideal for me. Can you imagine if she really just wanted him to dig a hole by warning. People are like what are you doing. The police leave and then the two of you were just stuck looking at each other. And she thought i was a murderer. I aldea now. I'm sorry she's like i was just gonna put trash in here. Thanks shows what you think of me. So yes he dug a hole and he was like what the hell i had no idea. That's what it was four and it was later found that the timeline would sync up with the timeline of the murder. Obviously so as. I mentioned earlier. The last his family had seen him was april. Two thousand nine but his cousin hadn't reported him missing until november so it turns out which is the turns out the doubt months long span is probably testament to d. Dvd's keeping up with a cell phone so basically during these months she would send text messages to friends and relatives and friends. Like i would later claim like that's weird. They didn't sound like him because he didn't know how to spell. So this was like really well written it's not. How abraham easter right and if they questions ever came up in the tax she dislike stopped. Responding and after reporting cousin is missing. Cedric revealed to police. That didi had actually paid him. Five thousand dollars to hand over a birthday. Card to abraham's mom that august pretending it was from abraham. Wow so cedric was like well. I think the the jury don't jury. That's not the right word but like the basically. The consensus ended up being that he did that because everyone a lot of people assumed he was fine and he was insisting like no he really is just travelling but could you just like give this card to his mom to make to make her feel better that like nothing's wrong and so he took the money and did it but then he was like something feels weird about this. He told police. Hey just a heads up like she had me do this and something off. Good yes something say something. Take the money. I then something. I'm just to get paid and then blab. Yeah then turn on your alarm. Because i don't trust that people aren't going to try and come after you Let's see so Rubber ball. He brought a abraham's mama birthday card from him and that was the card that i mentioned earlier that she had received that was signed with one hundred dollar billin across so after cedric filed. A report for his missing cousin in november and investigators began their work on the case. Dd quickly took action. So it turns out that the month. After abraham was reported missing. She sold her friend. her recently. Bought hummer for forty nine dollars in remember. She paid ninety grand for it so she just handed off for like fifty grand because she said she was in need of quick cash. And around this time a new main character steps onto the scene and i alluded to him a little bit earlier but his name is gregory. Smith and gregory is a friend of abraham's he owns a local barber shop and not only was abraham a good friend of his but he had also worked odd jobs at the barbershop before he had one. You know thirty million dollars reich a multimillionaire just doing odd jobs at your barbara okay. So actually i'll get to that later. But yes he's a very humble man maybe he literally what happened so part of his character that i remember words i eat my words so exactly but before the lottery win like that was his kind of one of his jobs was working at the barbershop and he was a friend of gregory's so they were pretty close and because he knew abraham gregory new abraham abraham's mother and didi knew about this and she took advantage of this connection and she asked gregory to call abraham's mother on the phone pretending to be her son. This is a little sketchy but this is another situation. Where like gregory is the one interviewed on. He's like the main character and most of these kind of documentaries. These crime like twenty twenty and he explains what happened. He said you know she. She was like really upset deedee and she was like he's fine. I swear to god like he's on his way back probably like he. I swear to god nothing happened him. But can we can you. Do you mind calling his mom just to ease her worries. She's really stressed out. She's really upset. She's in her seventies. Can you just give her a call to make her feel better so he took three hundred dollars to make the call. He agreed okay and he told twenty twenty he thought he was just giving abraham some peace of mind while they waited for him to come home. So d took abraham's mom to a loud restaurant and when the phone rang she said oh. That could be your son. Maybe you should answer it. Ki- sneaky late so so you know the mom answers the phone and gregory's like talking and kind of a stilted way. He said he was trying to talk the way way abraham talked and apparently a rams mama's like sweetie like go over the phone hung up and apparently dd assumed that the mom had been appeased and all was well offer case. So what gregory didn't know. Is that police had already had their eye on d. and they were therefore tracking her phone. Okay got it. i know so. They caught the call coming in from gregory and shortly after he made the call he was pulled over by police who had cracked his cell phone and instead of arresting him. They offered him the chance to help. Police bring dd down. He had no idea didi was even involved in any of this and they were like. Hey a fun fact that lady that you just kind of helped out who paid three hundred bucks. She's actually like wanted in connection in connection with the disappearance of your friend. Can you help us out. Imagine being him and he is like oh my god i totally helped facility like this weird escape that she got the things she got away with. Exactly and it's it's sort of like it's a good thing happened because it allowed the police to kind of bring him in to be part of the team but also it must just feel so icky afterwards. I didn't know. I was part of contributing to like furthering disappearance or ex like covering it up exactly and so. I think that is why he starts. He gets really involved and he's dedicated to bring your down. Because he's basically like. I knew i needed to make up for this and i need needed to make it right. And so he's like yes. I agree i will. They didn't even know at this point. I wanna point out. This was before because we you know. Act three we've gone back in time. This was before they even knew he was dead. They just knew he had vanished and he was reported missing so gregory doesn't even realize that he's dead but he's like okay they the police think d- has something to do with our help. Figure out what it is so he began meeting with dd. Regularly building rapport. And they offered to put a wire on him but his direct quote was. I'm from the streets. I know how to do this. And so i'm like okay. Greg davis gregory gregory had a plan a red bull. Can he cut off the top of it. He hit a microphone inside the red bull. Can he put it in his Holder at the top back on it and then he would use it kind of as an ashtray so that she wouldn't question like wires in the compartment and so he had this just old hand. This old redbook can and inside of it was microphone sitting pretty old school. That is pretty bad ass right. I mean it's better being wired up. You know he just had this little the between them and it worked greatly you. Can they play all the conversations and you can hear it. I mean it's he did a good job so they had a ton of meetings. I mean this whole time. She thinks he's on her side so apparently there were sixty three thousand dollars. That gregory owed. I believe on his house. Granda i think abraham had loaned him that money and so didi was basically saying. I will forgive that loan. You won't have to pay me back. Or pay abraham back if you help me do this if you help me. That just at feels fishy though feels like if someone gave me that offer i'd be like that's a. That's a really one-sided let's feels only useful to me on my end right like if someone someone said like. Oh you don't have to pay your grad school student loans. If you just like make a phone call. I'd be like something s up some like that like i wake up. I like it. But i don't i don't wanna like it but i do like it. I like it but it feels like i will get like someone's gonna be mad at me and i don't like that i think maybe i'll regret this and so you know. Obviously she doesn't know he's working with police at this point but she thinks well i mean with the offer of basically like forgiving sixty three thousand dollars in debt Like he's just going to agree to it so she thinks he's like fully on our side you know i'm going to be honest. I don't remember if either she offered to pay him sixty three thousand to cover his mortgage or if he had already been paid that and she was forgiving malone all i is there were sixty three thousand dollars in play that he would no longer need to worry about if got a he helped her and at this point she hadn't made it clear yet that he died but she had made it clear that something had happened and that she needed his help to steer the police away. Okay that's another reason for me to be a little hesitant. But i'm worried but again you know with the promise of like sixty three gran- she was thinking well. I mean it's not surprising. He agreed to this like two big chunk of money and if it saves his but financially then maybe he'll go along with it so they had a ton of meetings she thinks he's on our side and she tells him if police ever question you about any of this. You should point them to this guy named ronald and he's like who's ronald and she's like. Oh it's a drug dealer. I made up. So mr mc donald's. I know that's why i thought too. And she basically said this guy's ronald and he's a drug dealer and he's very dangerous. He's not real to be clear. But this is the guy we're going to pin this on and Greg shirt totally ronald got it. I'll tell them ronald so. In january of two thousand ten gregory had built up enough report with dd that she confided in him and finally she says hey. I need to know if you know anyone who will confess to law enforcement for the killing of abraham in exchange for money and this is what. I'm greg finally knows like okay. April is dead and now obviously it was just a horrible feeling to know like there wasn't even hope left anymore. He was definitely dead and he said it was really difficult to hear but it also gave him away to help abraham after all the help he had given him during his life so he was right. Okay this is my chance to me. I know it was really sweet. He was like this is my chance to make it up for him or make it up to him so it becomes apparent that he is not. The only person didi had tried to pay to take the fall. She had spent a lotta time by this point. Trying to find a scapegoat and when that wasn't working was looking for someone she could pay to excavate body and move to another location. Oh god okay. Yeah and she's desperate. Which you know does not lead to a smooth secretive operation. So she tries offering the mother of abraham son remember how his he he had fathered another son right during this time so she tried offering the mother of his son. Two hundred thousand two hundred thousand dollar house in exchange for telling the police she had seen him recently spoiler alert. She ends up testifying in court and being this woman's fucking shady as hell So that didn't work. Gregory seemed to d- to be a more promising and trustworthy lead. Little did she know so she was like i need help. I need you to find somebody to take the fall. And he says oh i know just the guy. His name is mike smith Yeah or if. I like if she so quickly. I know someone obviously. Don't worry i just the guy for the shady as we are. Those name is mr smith and by the way i'm miserable i'm gregory smith and also there's now another mr smith it's like she's pretty damn stupid so he goes. Oh his name's mike smith. This guy's an undercover cop. I think probably none of us are shocked by this. But he's an undercover cop and he shows up and he's like yeah. I can do this you know. And he's wearing a wire so mic shows he's posing as a jail bound drug dealer. They meet in a car park. And like i marcus wearing a wire and this is the conversation that ensues. Dd the situation has gotten big. I am in way over my head. undercover officer. We can do this. But i'm going to body didi. Why would you do that though for me mike. I'm going to prison anyhow. Didi if you do this you're going to be a very popular person. You're going to be a legend. Oh my god mike. Once i go ahead and confess to this shit. They done with you. But they're definitely going to want the body. Dd okay deal. Like i said. I know there's a body. I'll fix everything where he's at and everything and then what do you want mike. Fifty thousand dollars. Dd okay so they come to this agreement that mike would be paid fifty thousand dollars to take the fall for abraham's death and he said. I'll take that money go to prison. I'm going to prison anyway. But i want to give that fifty thousand of my family so she believes this story and four days later they tell her so at this point. Gregory's telling her well we need a weapon waiting to prove that this guy killed him and we can't prove it without an actual weapon so she's like okay. I'll give you the gun. Oh my god okay. So she shows gregory smith and mike the concrete slab wear abraham is buried and she also gives him the thirty eight smith and wesson revolver that she had used to kill him. She's immediately arrested per and in the investigation. It becomes apparent that this fraudulent behavior had not been a one off at all. It was discovered that didi head once come up with a ruse to keep her lincoln navigator which was like. She was behind on insurance payments. So they were going to take it from her so she comes up with this wonderful plan. basically she had someone store the car in a garage. Pasco county then. She staged a scene where she taped her own. Wrists threw herself into a ditch and claim and when she was found by group people. She claimed that she had been kidnapped. Sexually assaulted and carjacked by three hispanic men. Who then stole her lincoln. She even agreed to a rape exam but she pleaded no contest for the charge. Wound up being guilty for fabricating this whole story and just got a year of probation so she already had a shady as fuck history this later. So december tenth of twelve d more was found. Guilty of murder was sentenced to life in prison. I mean they literally have clips of talking and saying like i have the gun. I'll give it to you right right. Now he's like how much more worried like when a guy just shows up in his like okay. I'll do this for you. I would like fifty thousand dollar like why it feels. She's so maybe. I'm just not maybe not in the right head space but it feels like everything you've told me this entire story. Every step of the way felt shady socially picked up on this. I think she's the only one who didn't realize it because everyone else is like involved and is like while this lady's just fucking walk in her way into prison like she's just right. Lebanon lebanon skiving. Skin hopping all the way to prison. So she was sentenced to life in prison without parole she. They have some clips of her in the courtroom. It was a really dramatic trial. She kept breaking down into tears. She at one point said she went to. Nf lactic shock while in custody because she had a cut on her ankle and took like some antibacterial things my work because she had a cut from her handcuffs so she started stumbling over words and she said oh. My tongue has gone into nfl. Lactic shock woman cuckoo bird and she also when they were like wool she claims to this day insists she's innocent and every time someone who did it she's like this is so embarrassing for her. They have her in the interrogation room. And they're like well. We know you do this. She's like no i didn't. This was the work of a drug dealer named ronald. Oh good and they go. Oh ronald and she goes yeah. His name's ronald he threatened to kill my son. I know he and they were like girlfriend. We have literal clips of you saying you made up ronald like a half stupid. She ronald fictitious drug. Do i made up. And then she's fucking in the interrogation room. She's like there's a scary man named ronald and they're like you. We know you made up. What are you talking about laid. What a looney toon cuckoo bananas so. She was described as a sociopath by a psychiatrist. Who said this classic sociopathic behavior of somebody who thinks they're going to outsmart everyone even when they so clearly aren't outsmarting anyone she just just leaves like s- literally delusional delicious. So confident so confident in her brilliant says. She thinks she's gonna talk her way out of this is literally. Nobody believes This on tape that she's a murderer. So essentially what happened was at least what she's been convicted of is that she got of his money. He found out about it as an abraham. He threatened her and so she killed him. I shot him so obviously. This is all about money not surprisingly. She had been stealing it from him. He found out and then in two thousand seventeen. Dd appeared in channel four's documentary women who kill and she used this in every other platform That i've seen her on to prove her innocence. She does these horrible crocodile. Tears that are just like i had to. I had my laptop. It was so obnoxious. She's i mean she's just like wailing. Tell me they mentioned ronald and they did a side by side where they play. The audience saying john ronald mentions ronald every freaking interview. And it's like she's just trying to create some backwoods theory back door like no. This is real. I swear so crazy. So she says i had money. I didn't need money. I could have made as much money as i wanted. Abraham was worth more to me alive than he was dead. I would not have killed a man. In the only carpeted room in the house. come on. i'm a woman like. Oh that has a lot of things i could call. It never threatened the car of the speed aforementioned. Let me mick carpet. Since two thousand seventeen bustle has reported. That deedee is looking for a retrial. Because her original attorney didn't allow her to testify however her attorney says oh no. She insisted she would not testify. She's just blatantly lying and She she claims that greg smith had tampered with the jury and she maintains her innocence and in the two thousand twenty documentary. This is my favorite part. She explained that she would never hurt. Nobody i liked mickey mouse and donald duck and disney and tinkerbell. Excuse me well you know. And i liked spongebob and time travel in in many other like what does that mean. What does that fucking me. She is so looney tunes. she's going. I never heard anyone. I like disney and tinker bell. So like honestly. It's so infuriating. Because you're like. I know you murdered this man and you are being a little bit about it. I mean it goes to show. I mean it goes to show you that like how void of reasoning. She is where it for you to think like. Oh here's how. I'll prove. I'm not a murderer. I like tinkerbell. it's embarrassing. It just proves like you are not on the same realm as everybody else. If you think that's what acquaintances delusional. Yeah and nobody believes her. Not one person. Nobody even gives her the time of day and she just is so insistent she says i think people who don't believe me are stupid and ignorant and have no brain cells and i was like okay. Well well final agree now. Why don't you but she likes tinkerbell. So my okay. Yeah so final. Note here abraham. Shakespeare is survived by his children and his mother elizabeth walker who is devastated but remembers him as a kind of person who if someone asked him for help he was always trying to help them. And i think that was very much showcased. His lottery winnings His friend greg and the owner of the barbershop loves to share stories of abraham to this day. He told now this goes back to when you were saying. Can you imagine somebody. Working of the barbershop told one funny story. Of abraham still going to sweep the barbershop even after winning all of his millions he would come in and sweep and greg would be like what the hell are you doing here. And he's like. Oh i'm just cleaning up like i'm supposed to and he would occasionally pick up penny's and he would say. Why are you picking up pennies your multimillionaire and he would say i've got dollars. But pennies make dollars. I just saw that was really how what just genuinely i know it makes it really extra tragic and somewhat incredible news that barely seems credible. Which i guess makes it incredible. This headline appeared in the ledger in two thousand seventeen quote mother of slain lottery winner abraham shakespeare son said this is the mo the mother of his son then i mentioned earlier. Yeah wins one million dollar jackpot in lakeland florida whites. She won a million dollars in the lottery. Yeah that's so bizarre. Isn't that wild like the. Ottawa must be like astronomical. I mean how what was the what were the odds for him. And then like what's another million right of. I mean not mind blowing and so that honestly like it sounds uplifting but to me. It sounds ominous of what happened last time. Somebody in this family one yet. If i won the lottery after the white friend abraham relative abraham did that i'd be like oh were telling fucking no i'm donating this to the i whatever exists the first charity i find. I wash my hands from this. So weird weird coincidence And that is the story of abraham shakespeare. Wow well done wild wild. Wow you know what so you will. I mean this is just for me but the the fact that the the last thing you said that she ended up winning the lottery. That's weirder semi than almost everything else in the story because typically like that makes that so out there. That really threw me that while. Anyway i mean well done that's great. It's a sad story for him at like. You never actually Not that you don't ever talk about. You know victims who liked really wonderful people but he really just sounded like nothing but a kind person and now it it just makes it extra tragic that something that was supposed to be so exciting was like a curse was his downfall. Yeah yeah it really sucks. 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Broadcasting The 'Boys: Dak Day is approaching

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Broadcasting The 'Boys: Dak Day is approaching

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I, am already temp getting between the at our exports, a sports also subscribed Youtube Channel youtubecom, Ford, Slash Ari Sports, and of course as always Roy white on twitter at our dub three and subscribe to his Youtube Channel at our three. We'll get. Many more great piece of content on your Dallas Cowboys. And, we start today. Show talking about well. They're talking about Dak Prescott. And what Roy? Roy? What Roy Williams visit, did you play since I know which to talking about which one? And what is the count? What is the clock at now? Including episode, we have just six episodes remaining until day until day until franchise. Tag Day comes and goes. Which I expect will come and go without a new long term deal for Dak Prescott fortunately though for you and I. At least the news about Dak being in the news today. Doesn't really have anything to do with his contract. Yes I. Don't know if the circumstances are absolutely the best circumstances in which we'd want to be discussing Prescott. But I will be honest and say it's actually better to me than the Ad Nauseam discussion about whether or not Dak isn't a week quarterback. Yeah, it is. It is a welcome departure from that discussion. It's the magic number is six Oh because we're both dads, young kids, so everybody gets the count reference right. Six, the number is the number you want sick. So six more shows, and then are horrible. Nightmare will be over. Of course until next year. Until the dill. It's not over at all in a discussion ongoing discussion about Dak Prescott and his contract will continue, but at least now we know it's only six left. But the big news story today with that Prescott is that he has pledged one million dollars to improving police training, addressing systemic, racism, registration advocacy? In America. He actually posted instagram. As, a black multiracial American I'm disgusted and unsettled. I am so optimistic. I'm as optimistic as they come. Try to understand and find the positive and every as every situation of or aspect of my life. A mom left. Me The word faith to live out. For a reason I believe in the good each individual and this country as a whole to be humble, and to see every man and woman, as the same takes humility and accountability, as our communities take action protest, get fighting for the Justice of George Floyd, and every black life I am with you I viewed these protests and riots in our streets is a form of strength in an attempt to show we as black people have. Rights are being perceived equalizer counterparts. These rights have caused. Consternation and confusion and already crisis trivet world, so he's pledging a million dollars. And my first question Roy was only a million. Well for a fourth round pick. Yeah. That's about half of the money. He's made in the time that he's been here now. Thirty seven percent by the way he's made four million dollars is creating so it's thirty I mean it's a crazy big number now we know that he's made tons of money in -dorsements and whatnot, but still when you think of his total earnings of the cowboys. It's thirty seven percent. I only made the joke of. So little because that seems to be what people always do, anybody of substance donates money. It's like they only that much clear I will. I will say when it comes to billionaire owners I do believe that one million dollars is the absolute baseline of what they can give while not seeming cheap. If you're a billionaire, NFL owner, the minimum you can give a sanctuary at any point is. Otherwise. You probably will get dragged, but in the case in the case of they don't give anything. So I mean they do, but I guess what I'm saying. It's like it says the team. It's in the form of. The organization a lot of times I think the idea of guilt anybody until like any money they've donated is just absurd, but but go ahead. Sorry, no, it absolutely is absurd. Now if you want to be a real cynical jerk and immediately jump into this and ask the dreaded question of whether or not, this has any impact on his contract. Do, you think this buys them some leverage. Do you think that million dollars is like if you're his agent and you're having this conversation behind closed doors. Do say to him. You put a million dollars in now and I guarantee you. You will get that investment returned. Many Times over I'm. He's getting me not only the in not only the money that you're going to get, but in the pressure that now comes publicly. Behind you to support you because the other factor that's involved here are. He's quite honestly the first. Major quarterback, and to be the quarterback of the Dallas cowboys one could argue the most high profile quarterback. In the League. To come out and make a statement of this magnitude tack on the fact that he's an African American quarterback, and that is compounded. It makes his statement even more powerful than even you know, the Players Tribune or the players coalition statement that was put out by Tom Brady earlier this week. Calling for racial injustice in exchange in police departments, Dak Prescott putting himself out there in the way he did. I don't think can be understated in terms of how it's benefiting players around the league, and hopefully benefiting the situation, but also if you want to be cynical. Not GonNa sign this guy to a long term deal now. So don't let this guy walk now. Interesting. You bring up the PR play for Dak. He is the he's made sort of the largest pledge so far to this 'cause I had if a quarterback to make a seven figure contribution to this to this cause. And I mean. I would imagine this does from. I hate to even be addressing it like this, but I. Think Your Point Small stated right it certainly like this is a PR game, the back and worth broadcasts and the boys are we look at it from every possible cowboys angle. Even we're true journalists. Even the most cynical ones were true journalists, but yeah I would think that like if we were gauging public opinion on Dak Prescott. Like it was not it. was probably at all time low in terms of public perception of public opinion of him. And now this is this is definitely helping to enhance that the public perception especially when I talk about public perception. I'm speaking both here in DFW, but also nationally on a national scale. Now it's easy for me to sit here and say this is a win. Win for Dak Prescott. But I, also want to be sure to make sure. That I am commending him for having the stones to put himself out there and take this position because he's taken a lot of heat over the last four years, for not having spoken up or not, having been more vocal about. The Colin Kaepernick situation about the way, the Jerry Jones and the Dallas cowboys have always approached how the team would handle any. Protests that took place during the national anthem. And Dak.. Prescott took a ton of heat for how he handled that so I just WanNa make sure in say and not understate how big it is that the quarterback of America's team. Is Stepping to the forefront like he did today especially in the shadow of what another one of America's sweetheart quarterback said. On the same day. Relative to the anthem. And kneeling from NFL players Yes of course I'm talking about drew brees and right. Right yeah, I mean in the same day right Dak Prescott pledges a million dollar donation to. Further police training into two. More, advocacy groups and drew. brees says he's against. Basically people that are against the military. Is that a? Properly summarized breezes comments. I'm I don't necessarily. One hundred percent of a fair characterization. He said it in a way that was I. don't think anybody should be disrespecting the flag. And of course that will invoke a number of feelings from all sorts of different directions about how people feel about the flagging what it stands for. And so drew brees at some point. He's going to have to reconcile that in his own locker room. But the player who won't have to reconcile that. The player who will now be able to call across the NFL and call the star players around the league and say hey. Would you like to come play in Dallas with me in a year or two? And make that type of recruitment picks. I know that's looking way far ahead and that's probably be into optimistic about what he could really do in free agency. But Dak Prescott just put himself on the map as a quarterback that ninety five percent of the NFL would to play for. Well said. Let me ask you something and I I purposely didn't tell you about this before. We did the show because I truly wanted your opinion without. thinking. I. What so well you know that's bad because I'm terrible on the spot. No, but this important exercise here. Did you hear what Charles Robinson said last week about Dak Prescott. CONTRACT, situation I believe so but refresh. So Charles Robinson, who is as plugged in. To the Cowboys Front Office happenings is anybody in Dallas. Would you agree with that? Charles Robinson from a national perspective is one guy should listen to, and it comes to what's happening with the cowboys. He knows what's going on. He was on the Doug Gottlieb show, and here's what he said about Knack Prescott's contract situation. Someone's gotTa. Budge here and I think the one thing that the cowboys have going for them is. Everybody across the NFL and I think even agents now know that next year could be a flat salary Cap Lake. That's how they're going to deal with the potential lost revenue. And it's unlikely the caporal back, but very very likely could be. It doesn't go up. It's the same salary cap, and that means the money is going to get drawn back a little bit moving forward, so maybe that makes a deal you know like the one on the table for Dak right now looks a little bit better and you know that can help the cowboys I still think it gets done, but I'll say this if it does not get done if he plays this year on the franchise tag. Data Guy will go through all the tags heel tag it out just like kirk cousins, and he will go to free. Just think this is the last time to get the long term deal done. I think if it doesn't get done now. It's all. Did you catch those comments last week? Or. There's a lot to that. I believe Charles made the rounds on several different outlets last week, and so I did not hear those specific comments. No, so I heard about this. I heard them last week, and was shocked at how little play this guy like relative to the feeding frenzy that seems to surround Dak Prescott contract discussions. Like For one. Guy Who should listen to on the cowboys stuff because he's, he's got good sourcing inside the Cowboys Front Office. And to because. It's. It's a pretty impactful thing that he's saying he's basically saying that the if so, if a deal, get done in the next six weeks. It's not it's now or never for this. Well wouldn't necessarily say it's never. It just means that. That's what Charles Robinson. Saying. That's what I'm saying is is he's saying it's done now? It's not going to get done. Well in that he's saying that will play out his franchise tags and then test, free agency. I think that's kind of always been the way that it was going to trend. Because of the fact as we've. Documented on this broadcast on several different other places as well several L.. It's pointed it out. He can make seventy million guaranteed basically just by running out the franchise tag for the next two seasons, and if he does that, he will get himself to the edge of the NFL's next new. TV streaming revenue deal whatever it is okay. The NFL owners can pretend like the salary caps go up and it may not for a year. But at some point, stadiums will begin to fill again right. People will still need their football fix in fact when it does finally come back. There's a high probability that it's more popular than ever because we've been starving for it so much up to that point anyway. I, just don't believe NFL owners and specifically Jerry in the cowboys are going to be able to sell DAK Prescott in his team that the bad times are coming, and they're here to stay, and so for that reason I can understand the cowboys clutching their purse strings, and not wanting to commit too much for fear of what's coming ahead. That is the unknown of the financial situation of NFL teams in all of that. But DAK Prescott. His pretty secure in the fact that he's getting seventy million dollars the next two seasons whether you like it or not. Right and I think Robinson's point. There is if this is the deal that they have offered. And DAKS, saying this isn't enough. It's not going to increase going into next year. As the salary cap stay stagnant again. Who knows because? Like this is just based on if there's no revenue from NFL owners for any ticket sales than than than the projection is, the salary cap will stay static at one hundred eight point whatever it is, you wouldn't even think NFL owners right in the chassis, not the way they do business, but the the hard ball way that they do business. If they lose revenue this season, then chances are you're? The cowboys would go back to back and say hey, this is what our offer was. We've got to cut it down just a little bit because this is the percentage of money that we lost. You can understand from a business standpoint why they would think that is a successful negotiating tactic, but again. This nothing has changed for Dak Prescott in his camp with that equation, so in essence all all the unrest is doing all the financial unrest all the uncertainty all that it is doing is pushing the cowboys further away from the table because they don't want to overcommit. While Dak Prescott is still sitting here, saying guys. Nothing about my situation has changed. I'm confident in what I can do. I'm willing to bet on myself. I'll run the franchise tags out for the next two seasons, and by the way in that in that. Robinson quote. He doesn't say that. That's the end for Dak. Prescott in Dallas. He just says that at that point it would make sense for Dacca Test Free Agency and I wholeheartedly agree. If he winds up playing through two seasons of Franchise Tag. He knows the cowboys can't franchise tag him a third season and they've got back. The brinks truck to compete with any other team who might be willing to sign him at King's ransom. He knows all of this. What makes you scratch? Your head is how the cowboys not know this, too. I mean and the only thing I can point to is the uncertainty of the current situation that would give them pause. I. I think it's obvious based on the last few years the way the cowboys paneled some of their internal free agents, and maybe I'm talking specifically about demarcus Lawrence and seek Elliott like. They don't. Deserve the benefit of the doubt. and. Like if it gets to that Roy. The cowboys have so poorly mismanaged this situation. that. They deserve whatever horrible faith that means that they get. Because you just! Like, you were in position to pay this guy and you just never did and you always thought that he was asking for too much relative. The market value would till. Then you get there to the edge like wait a minute now. You gotta pay him even more than we were gonNA. Pay before. It's like every year. It seems like that and it's if you one thing. If the cowboys were seemingly savvy when it came to the stuff, we've seen in recent history. They gave Zeke. The gave it into Barcus. Lords. What's what's the point of this dog and Pony Show Well. What are you trying to build? I mean. Many cowboys fans would argue still that every season Jerry's Joe Jerry Jones goal is super, bowl or bust. You could look at his. Age. And reasonably ask whether or not he's willing to push his ships all in every year, or for the short term of say a one or two year window like he may believe they have this season next season. You could see a scenario where a man of his age would be willing to push all ships in and say. Future be damned. I don't need to worry about that. I WanNa give myself the best opportunity to do it in the next two seasons. I'm not saying that is what's taking place, but right or he saying that and Steven saying now now, Jerry now. That's really white token. This is broadcasting the boys right here on the blogging. The Boys Network Very curious about what you had to say a couple of weeks ago on Randy Gregory plus. Should the cowboys have gone defense over CD lamb. One NFL writer seems to think so that next this broadcast boys right here in blog boys network. You have see to forty. Nine was exciting, but that was just the primer. This Saturday UFC two fifty is starting off the June sports calendar with a bang and draftkings the leader in one day. Fantasy sports is putting you in the center of the action with a free shot at a one million dollar top prize with your first deposit. If you haven't tried it yet, fantasy M. A. is easy to play, just pick expires stay under the salary cap and pile up. Points for advances take downs and more. There's no better way to put your knowledge to the test. 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And he says what we're witnessing is the American nightmare bike. America's been dealing with for like ever, but now the rest of us are getting. Getting a good look at it. It's a potential turning point for the country and we're going to be covering it all week today. Explain we're planning to talk about the militarization of police departments in how police unions make it hard to weed out. Bad Police officers were planning to talk to black parents and white parents about the conversations. They're having with their kids right now. We're GONNA talk about how the entire country can wake up from this American nightmare and move forward, so join US wherever you listen. Today explained thanks. Along with Roy, white on twitter at our dubbed three I am Ari Timken on twitter at Ari Sports. And Peter King not NFL writer, one of the flag bearers of NFL media. Just, ask him. Has An article out with the power pop, basically power ranking the NFL top thirty two teams, and he's got the calendar their flagbearer at times water carrier for the NFL own. Yes. Yes. So. He's got the cowboys at nine one spot below the Oakland. Sorry Las Vegas Raiders who went seventy nine last year, but Forget about that I. Still don't understand how the raiders are. Be Good this year, but but I digress He's got the cowboys nine, and so he he writes. E-RIGHTS. He'll have much better weapons to us. With the cowboys led by CD Lab Amari Cooper Michael Gallup at receiver and Zeke Elliott in the Backfield I. Still feel like the cowboys would have been wiser to go defense at the pick that nabbed lamb, even better a trade down to get a quarter and safety in rounds, one and two after losing sack leader Robert Quentin. Top Corner Byron Jones at free agency. Well, they got a corner. Round, too. So he and then they got a corner around three or four or thank you what he's arguing then that he would've rather than. The, best safety available at the time Anna cornerback versus. Who many think is the best wide receiver in the entire draft? And the player they ended up with which was a cornerback. A player whom prior to the draft, people thought the CAL was might have to consider taking. Seventeenth pick. I. Appreciate What Peter Saying. and. There are words and he wrote them down. And that he may be right about the cowboys needing a safety. Many cowboys fans would say that if there's one position that concerns them, it's that particular position, and how they will fill that role and the fact that they haven't had an impact player in that role since the Great Darren Woodson and low and behold, that happens to coincide with the last time. This team was great. I could see where peters thinking in that. But. I would want to know what the player combination was that he thought they could get. That would've wound up being better than CD LAMB plus. Trevan digs 'cause I don't believe that was there and I don't believe any of the safeties that were available at Seventeen I. believe mckinney was still available. Just off the top of my head because. I hadn't thought about this prior. I don't remember thinking. Wow, this is a safety that the cowboys absol-, absolutely should take your at seventeen now he's. Thinking about a trade down and I suppose maybe you could have picked up a second second round pick. But do. If that trade was there to be made, I imagine the cowboys might considered making it to you gotta? Have you gotTa have someone else to dance with to make a do like that so? What your mind when the cowboys round the clock at seventeen. It was between. Chase on. The LSU defensive end, pass, rusher and lamb. and. I fully expected them. Well that's I, suppose I felt I felt very strongly seventy percent that they would take the pass rusher me to simply because I didn't think they would believe. That lamb would fill a need and I thought that they would press to fill a need. And I'm glad that they didn't. This is exactly. This is exactly what every cowboys fan was thinking in the lead up to that pick. Will the cowboys go need? Or. Will they go best available? And Peter King is basically arguing that they should have gone need like forget about the players. Could sit here and talk about who the players word they didn't get and what they could have done, but Peter. King is basically saying. Yeah, they should've taken need. Because he looked at the cowboys, deeds said they needed defense on defense and they did. But. Most cowboys fans I'm going to speak for all of them, but most cowboys fans would be very were so excited and happy that they didn't go need that. They went felt seventeen because in many ways it showed. A new era of cowboys football with a new coach because Jason, Garrett takes killed on Jason. Because Robert L. Takes Caleb on chase on. It's not and not CD lamb, and I think we had a decade of expecting. The cowboys depict. Chase out in that spot because that's what we saw for a decade. And that's why the cowboys should have gone with CD lamb, because you should always go best available especially in an offensive league where you're passing offense is your lifeblood success. Well. There's other reasons, too. I agree with all those points. Another reason it's more exciting. I feel strongly as that fans by and large are much more attracted offensive players and defensive players. That'll get a lot more excited. To that. He's essentially local having gone to Oprah Homa so many sooners fans in the DFW area, and you see all their games on Saturday here on the big twelve network, so we're exposed to a lot of CD lamb already in the Metroplex, and then of course like you mentioned the best available aspect of it. That was the Jason Garrett way of. Doing things he'd been around for so long that we had come to believe that that was the cowboys way of doing things. And now we're all breathing a sigh of relief to find out that that's not in fact, the case very very exciting, though with the way it turned out. Finally the on on Peter's point. He makes a perfect prediction in that we won't really know the answer until probably midway through the season, because if it does come to pass that the cowboys glaring deficiency on the back ended their defense. Forces them to have to score thirty a game and they're unable to do so on a consistent basis. then. We'll still be able to point to a significant problem that a lot of cowboys fans have been pointing to an complaining about for over a decade. To that point I'll say you need to have a good defense, but when you look at Super, Bowl champions last decade nine times out of ten year, looking at a top five offense in most those you're looking at a top two offense. You don't have to have a top off to the top five defense when super we have to have a top five one of them and nine times out of ten last decade. It's been a top offense. You have to be Okay on defense. But we're that is it's hard to characterise, or or you can be historically great right on defense and significantly improve your chances, but it's a lot harder to consistently be historically great many years in a row on defense than it is to do that on offense and in the decade. I'm assuming Denver Super Bowl Championship is still in decade, right? Just barely yeah, that's there's your one. They had a all-time great, historically great defense, and they won with a really bad offense, but that's it. That's it. Roy White are attempting will finish up with. What the heck's going on with Randy Gregory's reinstatement. That's next. Hey. It's broadcast. The Boys Roy White. On twitter at our three I am on twitter at sports a sports. And so couple of weeks ago, it might have been a first episode of being honest. You made a Randy Gregory prediction. Roy and Well as we sit here June fourth. Still not nothing. No. I liked to pretend it was a prediction, but in actuality I was really just trying to follow the tea leaves of the process, and when I say the tea leaves of the process I mean the actual written language in the NFL collective bargaining agreement that says specifically when a player applies for reinstatement with the NFL offices the NFL. Must make a decision on, said player within sixty days of the application process. I made a prediction on one of our original shows. It was shortly after Alden Smith. Smith rather had been reinstated. And in making that prediction, simply did was looking at calendar, and I saw the I report of Randy Gregory applying for reinstatement came from Todd Archer on March twenty second. When you and I recorded the show it was may twenty first. That meant the following day. Would have been day sixty if indeed Randy Gregory applied for reinstatement on the day of Todd, archers report. So. I can't figure out why and no one has explained it to me. No media member has. Sought it out not to say necessarily that they're not looking into it just to say that it doesn't seem to be a major concern for anybody and I get that I. Think Most People's thought processes that Randy Gregory will be reinstated. But here we are twiddling our thumbs now a week and a half. And still no news. Yeah, I mean just to reiterate your point. Todd Archer wrote an article on March twenty second. That said he is officially to reinstate it to the NFL. Onto the league subsidies policy. The NFL has to make a decision on Gregor status in the next sixty days. So. We're sixty days past. March twenty second. We are actually almost two weeks now past the sixty a quote unquote deadline according to the NFL CBA. Now! I haven't heard Randi's representation. Make a stink. Haven't heard Randy. Make any kind of statements on social media. It's been all quiet from the cowboys organization as to whether or not anything is taking place, and it's entirely possible that the NFL may be waiting to release this news at a time when perhaps the smoke clouds have cleared a little bit. And people can be happy for that fact, rather than maybe shine a my. You know microscope on it. In Times like these. But I can't between you and I are. Honestly come up with a legitimate reason for why this decision would have already been made right especially given that all Smith has already been reinstated. What rent would Alden Smith is attempt to come back from. Far More significant than ready to Gregory. We're talking about failed. Drug Tests Freddie Gregory, Smith we're talking about people, arrests and more recent I mean. Granted, Alden Smith wasn't playing in the league, but he had an incident last summer, right? So it's. It's beyond reason. Wildsmith has been reinstated into has not and if the reason a rationale was well it. Because, all spent beforehand like we've we've. We've gone beyond the thresholds reiniger. There's really there's. There's no opinion here other than like. It's weird and. Nobody has like nobody's asking for or purporting any information, so it's just bizarre like even if you Google Ready Gregory now look for the most recent news I'm. It's from a week ago. It was like ready Gregory still waiting. There's nothing concrete about it, so it is bizarre and. I appreciate you bringing it up right because it is, it's it's. Doesn't make any sense. All I can do. Saw I can do man. The powers that be. All I'm doing is asking the NFL front offices to. Hold themselves to the same standard that they expect players to be held to when they signed the collective bargaining agreement. That's all. Don't be ridiculous. I WANNA close the tweet of the week which is a segment just decided. We're going to start doing every week or maybe not just maybe this week, but twitter the week comes from the one and only add who tweeted at us at Ari sports at our dubbed three. Not, one point antidote security ever have a as good of a roster as directed in the first four. Basically what you've agreed on his Dak one career playoff win thirty million season more than zero playoff wits. Yeah you summed it up. That's it for me. At least I mean yeah. You did at one playoff win. Thirty million dollars more I would agree. Especially win that one playoff win came in Three less attempts. Four terms how cliff Wednesdays Carson. wentz have I can't remember. Now. I suppose if we are going to take the time to address this question because he did take the time to ask it of us, and if we want people to continue to sending questions, I think we need to treat them a little bit of respect. This was not a statement, but go ahead. I suppose that I might agree with that statement. This team may very well be more talented than. Any of the teams that Andy Dalton has played on up to this point this this team this season. Yeah it. May I'LL BE? I think you're right it is. But he say is not this year's team. He's saying the previous teams. The DAK has been on have had more talent on their roster than any of the teams in Cincinnati. That Andy Dalton on which is. Not True New now now now I mean. I mean first of all. The cowboys currently had receiver? Aj Green or as good as AJ. Let's just start there. Jack ever have a defense as good as no the crime. Gino Atkinson would defenses that the bengals. Deck is never had DAX highest defense. Dw as like fifteenth. I want to entertain the question in a way that is respectful of the question, so I will say I don't believe. Deck is played with significantly more talent. I also believe the Dak is. Had to deal with a head coach, who probably didn't get the best out of him? That could have been gotten. and. I would say also that Inde- decks inexperience in youth. He did as much or more than Andy Dalton did in the prime of his career Andy. Dalton is certainly no longer a spring chicken in the prime of his career. So when I factor all of those things together. The seven year age difference the fact that Dak Prescott could be Mike quarterback for the next fifteen years versus Andy Dalton who might be my quarterback for the next season perhaps as a backup. I don't think that conversation. I do think the difference between them is thirty million dollars a year I. do believe that Yes yeah. And by the way you're not paying. Thirty million dollars a year whatever it is forty dollars a year for what he has done. You're paying him for future performance and and. And you certainly want to account for the things. He has done his career, but so much of what he's going to get paid is based on what you think he will do in the future. Roy White twitter at our DEB three. Maybe keep those questions coming. Keep those comments coming at sports on twitter. Also please make sure to check it all the other great shows. We have here on the EIB logging the boys podcast network including the daily briefings in the morning on the show. The girls talk boys with Kelsey Charles and mcmurray. Check seven five. Oh Tony Casillas. Talk in the star with Connor Livesey Delta, Miller and Co Patterson and of course broadcast boys with yours truly and Roy White, but for now we love you. Stay safe out there pacing love, support your fellow man. UFC Two fifty kicks off this Saturday and draftkings the leader in one day. 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Underground History Lesson with John Tayor Gatto (1 of 2)

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Underground History Lesson with John Tayor Gatto (1 of 2)

"Hi, John Taylor gadoe. And this is what you've been missing. Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence talent will not nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent genius will not on rewarded genius is almost a proverb education will not the world is full of educated. Derelict's persistence and determination alone are on Nipah. Tint, the slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race Calvin Coolidge, nineteen thirty three. Greetings, welcome. I'm your host and navigator Richard grove. And this is a very special interview episode of what you've been missing featuring the gentle, tone, scholarly insights, and wealth of wisdom that combines a form of John Taylor ghetto, the legendary educator author, and I kind of liberty who offers a lifetime perspectives on the origins intentions and destiny of the compulsory public school systems. This five hour journey represents a landmark in American history and was filmed over two days on July fourth weekend, two thousand eleven in the constitution state of Connecticut. This is a comprehensive interview session, which not only memorialize is John's life's work. But also embodies a return of our birthright as human beings truly an event, which is relevant and relative to each and every one of us. This message applies to children and adults parents and. And grandparents students and teachers administrators and politicians blue collar, white collar, no collar, everyone who uses words and symbols to meet their needs. Everyone who depends on accurate information to thrive and survive in this world, the purpose of this interview with John is to provide each and every individual with the essential fact, which pertain to our survival here on earth, both as individuals and as a species, and yet have been censored from our public schooling, the envisioned outcome would be for each and every human being to possess the knowledge and understanding which allows them to exercise intellectual self defense and self liberty thereby succeeding in pursuing an attaining happiness. It's designed to be shared and studied by individuals and groups to provide the evidence organize the ideas and facilitate the constructive con. Sations and actions necessary to address the root causes of our ever growing incoherence as human beings since this interview contains over two hundred footnotes and references and discusses the contents of more than thirty classic books. Essential to understanding life here on earth. I would humbly recommend that your first feeling be invested into just soaking in this information and consider it for yourself. And after thinking about it too. Then view it again with the intent of looking up the references to bowling your understanding and clarify the focus of your new expanded perspectives. This interview session could be screened over five hours five months or five years as it could take that long to consume the primary and secondary source materials referred to here in most importantly, what you get out of the ultimate history. Lesson will be in direct proportion to the amount of attention and focus that you can invest into it as each hour. The inter. View progresses into another. You are literally crossing thresholds of this country. And by our five the layers of these discoveries yield, a truly inspiring realization that being said the conversation which forms the entirety of this interview is almost entirely composed of facts in references pointing toward a preponderance of evidence, which is for the most part unknown to the general public, and it has everything to do with the myriad of crises which face humanity starting with our own incoherence in inability to problem solve our way forward. We're not asking you to agree with us in order to believe what we're saying. We're simply trying to provoke you into look into these matters for yourself by providing you with an accurate map, which leads to your own factual and substantial understanding of reality for as Aerostat will once wrote it is the Mark of an educated mine. Mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it through these interview sessions with John you're going to be introduced to a variety of historical personalities, and we hope curious to review the history, which has led us to this point into that end. This is not about this proving or debunking what we've been taught so much as it is a journey of discovery to discern reality and to discover our birthright as human beings. So that we might go forward in order to meet the challenges we all face here on this planet together. This is truly something that corporate establishment media public schools and universities cannot afford to teach us. So without further ado, let us begin as they say had the beginning on December fifteenth nineteen thirty five John Taylor gadoe was born in western Pennsylvania in the coal mining and steel milling town of Mananga halo about thirty five miles southeast of Pittsburgh. During his early school years. He spent a year at an elite Jesuit boarding school near Latrobe, Pennsylvania. Whereas you'll soon here he learned to think dialectically and was beaten sufficiently by the nonce to create his outspoken temperament, which has endured lifelong John did undergraduate work at Cornell University, the university of Pittsburgh and Columbia University and then served in the United States army, medical corps, Fort Knox, Kentucky and fort Sam, Houston, Texas following army service. John did graduate work at the City University of New York hunter college yeshiva university, the university of California Cornell and Reed college, which is a private independent liberal arts. College located in the wargin like many famous American iconoclasts, John I hone his skills in a variety of professions before finding his talent for teaching which proves to be his real gift to this world. After almost thirty. Thirty years of teaching and New York City's inner city schools. He was named New York City teacher of the year in nineteen eighty nine nineteen ninety and nineteen Ninety-one and that same year was also named New York state teacher the year later in nineteen Ninety-one. He wrote a letter announcing his retirement from teaching titled, I quit. I think to the op Ed pages of the Wall Street Journal, stating the he no longer wished to quote, her kids to make a living and quote, soon thereafter. He was the subject of a show at Carnegie Hall, titled an evening with John Taylor ghetto, which then launched a career public speaking in the area of public school reform. He then began a worldwide public speaking and writing career and has received several wards from libertarian organizations, including the Alexis de Tocqueville word for excellence in the advancement of educational freedom in nineteen Ninety-seven John has been. Invited to speak all around the world to share his research and has spoken to audiences in Australia Spain, France, England, Mexico, China and Canada as well as every one of the fifty American states since his public resignation in nineteen Ninety-one. He has traveled over three million air miles spoken at Harvard University NASA space center, though, I'd house Smith College Cato Institute and many other places. He's also been a keynote speaker at over thirty state homeschool conventions, and he supports something called unschooled Ling and open source education for personal learning in his book weapons of mass instruction. Here's how John defines open source education. Open source learning accepts that everything under the sun. Lybia possible starting point on the road to self mastery and a good life in open source learning sequences are per. Personally designed or personally signed off on and everyone you encounter in life is a potential teacher in open source teaching is a function not a profession. Everyone learns everyone can teach themselves how to learn anything as well. As learning how to teach others in open source students are the active initiators. You learn that you either write your own script in life or by default without your input you become an unwitting actor in someone else's script. The main thesis of John's body of work can best be illustrated in my opinion by asking the question, what do public schools, actually, teach children an answering it with the main themes contained in John's first book printed in nineteen Ninety-two titled dumbing us down. He makes the following observations about how public schools are designed in form and function public schooling teaches confusion by breaking coherence. It presents on samba of information that the child needs to memorize in order to stay in school public schooling teaches them to accept their classification public. Schooling makes them indifferent and suppresses natural curiosity public. Schooling makes them emotionally dependent on approval from authority public schooling. Also makes them intellectually dependent on experts and thirties to think on their behalf public schooling teaches them a kind of self confidence that requires constant confirmation by experts in authority also known as provisional self esteem public schooling makes it clear to them that they cannot hide that they are always supervised under surveillance, especially in today's society where everything online is tracked information is sold in a variety of ways to variety of predators. Geography John's poetic prose and diligent documentation can be studied in his prodigious preponderance of publications, including dumbing us down the hidden curriculum of compulsory schooling, nineteen ninety two the exhausted school nineteen Ninety-three a different kind of teacher solving the crisis of American schooling two thousand the underground history of American education, two thousand one and in my opinion. This is an essential book to read as it stimulates, your internal dialogue and draws questions as to why are children being methodically undermined while simultaneously providing you with the answers and comprehensive. References. John also published article called against school published by Harper's magazine in two thousand three and last, but not least weapons of mass instruction, a schoolteacher journey through the dark world of compulsory schooling, two thousand eight John's website is John. 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For pushing that button, you get a camera credit. That's pretty good. Awesome. Necessarily. I mean, we can start by talking about that. Holy goes, grammar, logic and rhetoric. So grammar is the son logic is the father. The Holy Ghost is rhetoric and God is the consciousness and so the Christian trivia came from the Greek trivial, but they use the metaphor. Two encoded. Now my question to you is is a metaphor ally. Or is a metaphor something else. I better store. Strack? Things if dole brain. I surely I strengthen by arguing with shell through writing. So everything I write goes through about twenty drafts. And since I handwrite, it's quite painful to re. And throw it out. But I don't really know what I say, I'm going to say, what are you going toy actually argue with what I think, I've so what do you think you believe about schooling? I think believe the metaphor schooling clearly tells you what it's expected to liver. The we only use the expression one another way call and land that the school of fish, and they are wonderful one on one fin moves all of thousands of fins move, and they're insolently receptive. To what the group wish us. Zero general signal, but but it your -cations diametrically opposite to that. I think it starts with this. Option. Get from fingerprint or from Dina, no two people are alike and the Olbermann real vacation of yourself is the find that unique nece where your parent physical resemblance everybody else of dissolves illusion new stand, absolutely alone or you can select when you wanna be part of floors your group. It seems clear may the business of schooling has done or well clearly saw do or want water limited. You do back in the nineteen. Hugh, steal the key line of the person. You're the group overthrow and you redefine and people then become confused. It's news in nineteen a four so. Schooling transformation occurs. When they see that the language orig- or coercion is highly regarded how respected and even people who don't participate. There's an urge in the direction. So you simply take the concepts and you claim that's why people are being ritualized the. Yeah. So there so you described that individual beings when in groups kind of subvert their own individual thinking power and the be the law of identity. None of us can change who we are. We have to be ourselves, and that is constant throughout life. So it's about figuring out how to remain individually, self reliance self sufficient as going through these systems that are trying to change us and make us less self reliant in more very much show. And I think the awareness of these contrary dynamics is what gives Roz two theories of dialectic era, subtle all through history the variety of them. But they participate in the same way as sensually asking you for your own self defense. Not to assume the what anyone says specially as clone authority loud or. Is the truth often, the misinformation comes from innocent, self delusion? But just says off when is your move up the power pyramid? It comes from a Milan. Intent toured your own individuality like a betrayal truth that occurs. Betrayal of belief in some authority structure that you want to believe in is true. And then little by little you realize that it's not necessarily how it might have been presented to right? Even in your own individual inner life and consciousness before the cameras rolled said. Learn of thinking is the right something down that. I think I believe and then I argue with it never sarongs. How about that? Now. What scares me? Is that when I go back to Europe your year? Most of a dozen cer- take two years before I get to corner. I say I'm not personally capable of moving beyond this thing. So that we're so well conditioned from infancy not to see the truth or relate the truth to shave it. The the first step and region furniture -cation thing is mistrust. What you most or certain of two MS tros now made sure, but it needs tested not ons until you're exhausted from testing. Is the school system designed to get kids to grow into a thriving self responsible sulfur line of dog or is it to whittle away curiosity and to kind of stop them from thinking for themselves. It's certainly not the former in any way for the simple reason throughout history management doesn't not a manage independent unions, even partially independent. Why shouldn't we as in any school people? Watching your your film should begin to me to ask politely. Why are we doing? It's a question. You never hear because his hair. The beleaguered classroom teacher doesn't know why here she's doing they're told to do it. Maybe they can give it five percent personal spin. That's why the doing does it make sense for this particular life. That says you the question, you don't know. And if you started to care the logic of school he would dissolve. No one is able you can the question yourself. I say to my classes and over the course of thirty years teaching I taught kids from the Gold Coast the upper whereas. Taught kids from the center Harlem Spanish Harlem, and I would say to all of them. You have a right at any anytime, you gotta be polite. Go because I'm just human to say, why are we doing this? And if I can't produce an answer that convinces you that I believe it then you ever right to opt out and do something else as long as you don't run while bring the house them. It helped me grow year two years. Not that they ask very often because they're conditioned not to do that. But enough that I was put on my own metal say, why am I doing? It was a continual. Expansion of my own inside until politically I couldn't do it. Any longer the school oddly enough made me. So internally famous drew extra attention, and my system couldn't survive under the skirt and because they would sue disparity between what I was doing. And what the protocols for? So so so it sounds like the if I'm trying to get to the root cause of while you're teaching career ended. It sounds like you started asking questions John it sounded like the question started with WI with a question, Mark. And then maybe you were asking some other like the five ws plus how and you were actually getting observed. Shelf question, then forcing classes to as me questions and themselves questions and eventually. The productive output in my classes was so great inadvertently. I didn't care how the school move your product. But it was so great that I would get visiting delegation sometimes on a daily basis for months, and they would leave baffled because they wouldn't see the drama unfolding that they understood school in there. Right. It was less and less schooling. And eventually the pressure became impossible since I said at the beginning you year within. An inner intention if I one hundred twenty kids to have one hundred and twenty individually written curricula, a never succeeded totally, but I got close enough that when the principal would draw bein only find nine people in since I wear or the rent that Iran out of strategies, explain where the rest were. So so yeah, I couldn't operate. I couldn't function longer. 'cause my physical strength wasn't up to it. So how did part of the strength of your actual teaching come from releasing children from the classroom and letting them go out in the world and actually gained some? Would came from releasing anyone who had an independent course of all becoming that boy girls assistant always with the mother's permission because he couldn't deal with that kind of. Additional political pressure. So what they would learn and bring back would be my food for me. Like, I was honored and twenty people simultaneously all or much more than a learned of the two. I really call. I used to say why? And it sounds fanciful though, you must love children. And which is not true. I love people and people can be five years old, but people who suck the thumb and rattle and extend childhood schools intention is to artificially extend childhood, and there really is no practical terminus for the extended through graduate school and postgraduate. What is the actual reason that their childhoods are being extended? How's the surf I think what we never discuss or the extreme lapses preempted to discuss. So they marginalized and so is the intimate in a relationship, but tween the con me. And the way we train the young to the extent that we want hand a wildly variegated economy. I'm quoting ABRAHAM LINCOLN in eighteen fifty nine famous speech, the Wisconsin agricultural. Lincoln said, I call this mud sill theory because he used that term Lincoln said the British or financing, the whole western movement and are tempting to reinstall their class system. And so they send their young sons over to make sure that not a whole lot of attention is paid to ordinary people or people live in simple owns that have mud sills Hayes said they're not according to the British thinking, they're not worth training or worring about because there no way they can possibly improve Lincoln said look around you three quarters of our population has an independent law hood and the. Quarter who doesn't work support all stake together to set up on their own and write their own script in live. He said as a consequence we don't have proletarian as they do in Britain and Germany and in the European nations. And we are able to have a factory system where exists in this country, which is in New England textile industries a factory all have thirty or forty employed, though, usually be young women waiting marriage, though, we serve tea at their machines. And they'll be offer perforances stage just to keep them out the machine because he's independent log way woods lead to totally. Private independent. System's value. So the British you're wrong. But of course, the civil war change that we're sold that it was a great crusade against slavery buzz who'll system the majors Sarin's who've turned their attention to that say, I mean to a person that slavery was already dead. It was staggering through his last couple of generations, not because moral transfer transformation apart plantation owners, but because the wives of the plantation owners were scratching their head and say, you know, the boss vanishes for a couple of days. We have all these new sledge and then black anymore. They're very shades of Brown. So they thinking right now, I think Verne parenting. But a number of historians fifty years ago said slavery was on its last legs because southern one wouldn't stand for it any longer. Russia bully had free. The serves. Britain and continent had done. This thing we were gonna do it too. But it gave a nobility to the necessity to get rid of the southern Poland Titians who were trained in dialect. You'll thinking in rhetoric and could run circles around the northern politicians in congress could produce the most compelling arguments for this or that. And so the south had begun rid of for my understanding, those dry goods like cotton from the south that were produced by slaves were then going to factories in north in the factory owners north figured out that the slave owners were paying too much overhead costs a lot to keep a whole family fed at cetera. And there were letters exchanged than they actually discovered. It was cheaper. Why not make everyone a slave who doesn't know that they're a slave. Rage. And think think only about the welfare idea if you have plantation family, require harmony, you've been some people are very so bored. And if somebody gets sick or tool to work, you can't in fact, do Simon agree, but he get rid of them or what happens morale collapses. So you have to care for the the discussions on the highest level among northern industrials. Why should we have to? Why should we have just support did would air, and we could do that if they were wage so yeah. Yeah. The and further more people like count Tolstoy was well where the hard core underneath a romantic or your since we're in number. Or other people, but the public dependent upon media and pull puts which were subsidize by the owners could they couldn't find? Zone where they could think clearly or someone would say, yeah, here's the truth. Think early forms of mass media propaganda by from the pool pit or the newspaper toss was. Oh, absolutely. This shit talk was were put together. By intent the family that began Harper's publishers and had very prestigious journal of the time. Harper's weekly. Louis lappam, the lapham family. So very ladder. His his grandfather was in charge Harper's. Oh, and it was mayor San Francisco, I believe there was when the UN came in. And he told me that his boy was filled with foreign dignitaries in the home is house or putting thrown by one. And so you can actually trace the small number families behind the should talk was which for the most compelling mass media of the day you'd hear about what was going on Boston and Cincinnati, and you'd want that and selectively ideas and ways of thinking were introduced to the best faithful and they use their local procedures to make sure that the natural process. So. To what we got was a second American revolution. But tween, oh, I don't know eighteen sixty five and nineteen ten this some of the British one again, but they didn't win but for civil arms force of inside. And to the way opinion is created and win the skilled workers who had intense pride and really were the key the prosperity of early industrial operation commercial operate within the skilled workers. Understood their power. Then industry and commerce were McIntosh's intensely, and you wiped out the need for SCO, you took the less quality. But now, you had less contention, LA's or your mind. Coronet gay was was instrumental in illuminating the influence of skilled labor and continue right to twentieth century. What influence have the Rockefellers had on organized labor skilled labor? The the Rockefeller family can actually be traced way back in Dutch history. There's. An ancestor the Rockefellers who set up a rather detailed plan for global government hundreds and hundreds of years ago that is one of these flow charts showed that you're gonna do that or not. But. Great irony. Of course, is that Rockefeller and Carney's families were. Fringe people in the United States, but using there. Using their brilliant inside until leverage, and how it or both for a vol- to take nothing and permited quite a bit Rockefeller, actually, his father are bleed. But it may have been his grandfather fled rape charge sorta like Strauss Kahn's, I've been Bainbridge new your been charged with rape of made and fled. They through there. Iraq phone threw their weight behind. This is emblematic of how they work Horatio Alger who also had been charged with rape up here in Connecticut and the news poise lodging house, and if you read a wonderful book that exists. A limited edition. But it's kept continuously imprint called the. The Raj the dangerous classes in New York City by the creator of American adoption when I started to research school kept running into the same people who put the adoption institution together in the school and said one much more important in the other, but still same names floated and not a one Charles Loring brace blues fall. There was the publisher the Hartford current. I'm almost sure in his early Dari say, I'm must find a way to become nationally famous. Yell wrote to you didn't have any idea how he's going to do that. But finally it occurred damn that. With these masses of immigrants being brought in to break, the hours labor monopoly in the minds than the mills the easiest way to lower the unit cost of labor was to bring the husband and the wife into the light revolt. You double size the labor force you cut the unit value labor now, but you couldn't do that as long as they were worried about their kids. So now, you have the impetus to enlarge the social work in distri to corrupt the legislatures to give it the power to break families apart. A what do you do with the kids expression put up for dog Shen till? As you. You don't want them anywhere in the neighbor. You want them for what she put him in box cars this great secret, moan strokes avenged Americans that goes on for forty fifty years. Boxcars full of the children alive were sent west. They started upstate New York. I was too close. So that kept going farther and farther west and then they'd stop at a whistle. Stop and a platform be brought out the boxcar were. But the children would be put up for dog Shen. They had a preference for who they wanted to adopt. They wanted Lutherans to a dog because they had the Piscopo idea of hierarchy, but they were draws dumb. Farmers. They couldn't think clearly here was free labor high. And that will that will end the future career of these immigrants what straw pudding children up for drop Shen was the police chief. So the west I think the year was eighteen eighty give me a few years either. They wrote a stinging. Attack on this practice, nor more ground said crime is everywhere in the world. If you go to the psychological, Avs, you'll find Norma snowbo- dog to children, for example, six of the ten leaving mass murderers in American history, but all forms of crime. Because when you break the bond with the natural you can't put subsitutes implies again, not moral. There's a recent physiological theory kkob mirror neurons that you learn to use your own biological equipment by watering people who have the same or nearly identical biologic when you remove that. Even if the family that you're transferred to has money and Savoia fair and civil they're more doesn't matter. Or you're actually imitating things that your physiology can calm day as a consequence. You gets incrementally more and more crazed inside angry. One of the things, that course school does is prevents these kind of connections between different areas from occurring. That's what the short answer test is about an Oxford. Cambridge got rid of it one hundred years ago. Hey hundred years ago because they said people who do well on short answer test. They memorize bits of information. But they don't connect the bits of information. And when they seem to be able to connect to bits of information is because they've memorize someone else's connections. The better the school the more says of connection Jim ever on. But you can't do that for yourself. It's like these machines where you guys are all too young to remember. They used to sell machines that were. To relieve the stress of lifting wives your put away your hand. But the fish shaver lifter over the what? Oh, what their muscle knew the difference? The people buying the machinery. Well, looks exactly. Anyway. Put me back on Coors. Here. Is there any connection between frustration and aggression, and what effect the schooling have on you? You're into your own question by asking. Connections into mud school removes your volition in all important way, even who use speak to are not the arts of association as valuable or more able than anything else. You learn when you're young I read how exactly hiring is done. And it almost never has to do with your training in whatever you're being hired for this. I'm thinking about I believe is this person we would like to have around three years from now Bendon elbow play golf with just talk with. I mean, and that's why you're past from set of executives said of executive so they can sign off. Yeah. He's okay. You know, we can. But we don't tell kids that. Right. It's people who have. Grade point average in. Say t's scores. Well, I spend our years. Well, not too long ago. It was in ten years with the admissions officer for our recalling and about thirty years ago in our with the admissions director Princeton, and let me tell you. They're polite dismissal grades. And as a tease tours was. Intimidating to listen to as if you'd have to be crazy to let somebody in receive. I can condense door ruder Princeton, Chris you get into both by donating building. But but Hotta other people get in there being analyzed on the basis of their -bility to either become wealthy or famous either one will were famous like wearing a billboard saying. I went went to Princeton. Actress Jodie Foster I went to Princeton look at where the rest of the actors directors went didn't go anywhere. But Jodi did. So that's one we hear. The Harvard ladies, and we look for record of excellence and want does actions consists of it sometime in the first they teen years you lie. Figuring out how to add value to the people around you. Elba shouldn't say this in a way that catches public attention. So you might walk across United States her bicycle the perimeter the country row across it landed goes, those physical way my startled charity or set up some whether service or some pollution monitoring around Hartford. There are a substantial a small fraction, but a substantial number of kids doing this as we sit here they're writing a record of being able to add value the community around them. And then the other fellow. The prince and guy said the same thing. In different words. I ask him what this sixty eight awfully I asked him what part of resume of med to you. Look, I. The answer metaphorically because my jaw hobbies said. I said I've been taught all mine alive. Leave that all because it's not germane. Hey should on the contrary. It's the only on information you're likely to get hot is someone spend their time when it's their free choice suspense. He said, it's a window into their mind. And there are. All what kind of? He said, well, ideally, someone would have a physical hobby and electoral hobby and a social his that would show they're exploring these large well, physical. You mean football baseball. Well, you should it's better than nothing. But we would prefer not to see team. I seven told all my line team sports identify your -bility to work and team. He said what happens in a team sport is of you decide to dog it. It's very hard to tell which on the line has docked or non or which running back has gone down quicker than he should've gone down that he said, we prefer. Solo hobbies that involve physical danger. New York kids put their necks, for example. What I said he said, well, horseback riding a did giveaway or wise. I have a ton or more if you do trail riding you don't want your doing your head gets caught on a branch. And and you're the Ed La horsemen, if the horse doesn't like you it a role room top of Yuna, no mmediately because last time I rode a horse was done. Vera Cruz Mexico Orson took me out on the main. Our craze Mexican drivers going to hundred miles an hour and eighteen wheelers and lay down on top of me. I was terrified is. I could say this trucks going to like last time. I wrote. Did you have to actually know what you're doing? You can't say zoo Somme draw were big Drome if you live and or intact, then he said sailing and small boat. These little twelve footer outside of land. If you don't know what you're doing end up in the middle of Atlantic in or wind comes up, you can't see landmarks because the waves. I should. Those things are so scissored with. The prosperous classes. What what could somebody ordinary circumstances? We said, well, we just let somebody in. This is probably nice fact towards in my mind model, we just want someone in who invented his own sport and kept records competing against himself. As past performance is present performance. It was get ready for this visualize this seat Lewis unicycle riding over broken terrain. If I had ten live tons the thought of doing that wouldn't occur gang on a unicycle without a seat. Let alone running it over broken terrain. So then let him because they knew he was on the fast track. So so we tell lease laws, and of course, many of the people tell the lies believe the laws will sure what they're going to take valedictorians. Well, last year Harvard, turn eight out of every ten valedictorians who applaud and the two they token, they didn't take in because they're valedictorians. They're so by by removing this component from the student imagination. You can control to some extent who even applies are gets and who pause because they don't know what they're doing. What's the IT garbage in garbage house? So. What I would do was out. What examples and I have a friend who started a tutoring service called the Princeton review and oh twenty years ago, there were charging three hundred dollars an hour not to charged now. But what they did was crack the code of the questions on standardized tests, and he Adam Robinson was his name. Adam took his money and left the Princeton review his partner. But as written a book well worth I think your group co what smart students know Random House. What smart suits? No. Adam was certain that you could pass standardized tests without having any all of subject as long as you understood the constraints the tests the question architect were under for example, to the four enters offered are always so absurd that if you know that now you're left with a fifty fifty guests I figured out in high school that if you had some way to measure the angles on the little to metric figures on the tests that you need to know you could arrive at the answer, simply by a simplistic means. The evidence that all of us know standardized tests, don't measure what they claim to measure is that nobody I mean, nobody you encounter on the upper reaches would dream of hiring somebody on the basis of those says in grade point averages you'd be playing Russian roulette because they measure nothing the grades largely measure the to memorize what you're told to memorize few other things, but that's the hard. But. Dams on buddy Abedian and probably for clerk, and it is a good manager not for so who has to adapt to changing circumstances. But the natural selection process reality. It's fairly easy without being a wise guy or very learn as long as you retain the ability to think independently from the debt in front of you to penetrate, the Manch the contentions that don't conform to everyday reality. So no one will hire you as a c-, Hugh. What you're but but if you examine the. The dams available big time politicians now we have. And I don't think it's surprise anybody. The George Bush most-recent was. See average in high school prep school and see. What does surprise people is is the candidate? He ran again 's was ever Jin prep school and see average at Yale and a lower c- averages in George pushes. They carry of Massachusetts. The fact that the best evidence the nation has been. School to the point of extinction. Is they were fraternity brothers fail in a fraternity. I'll skip it's interesting. We're up you only has fifteen members. And they were fraternity brothers fail is three hundred eight may Anna us. I met the matico. I would know how to set the odds with they would be stupendous. No one mentioned that. Or if they did it was too quickly get over that that should have been headlines. The New York towns in the Washington Post for turning broS ale run for president you wouldn't need dimension that it was the skull and bones for turn. So. When they skew from sanity is that of that magnitude, you should not expect much to come from the watchdogs of of our liberty and our best centrists how could that happen on Lance with Jewish expression chutzpah unless this feeling of contempt for ordinary. Paypal was very dramatic. We could I'm sure someone in the council will allow the said, maybe someone will notice to dismiss that shows you how powerless to believe, for example, another example that the recent banking crisis. The real estate bubbles. Is an auditing in American banking there. Been fun such since nineteen sixty one savings and loan technology bubble been five of those in the central figure in all five is the city Bank of New York now sometimes it's called first national spec and sixty one then it becomes CitiBank then merges with another huge come city group. But the mentality lose on that level shows utter contempt for the safeguards build into, you know, the founding documents or build into tradition as ordinary people, then encodes upper-middle-class or noon, people expected to be it doesn't exist. Now. What we've run into is a people infinitely more sophisticated than. Five thousand years civilization who are even more a moral than way are and look at starring three million people to death is a did twenty years ago. Missouri any shortage of people I mean, they're already running circles I've spoken in China. Half a dozen times. For various groups, and the Chinese government is a little bit or no on that their systems schooling, very like ours except more disciplined. Seems to constrain the invent of imagination not worried is it don't copyright law or patent laws. So they have access anything. There, but they will not accept they keep asking me back. It will not accept that the system they're applying the young. Mine is guaranteed to foreclose the imagination produces invention. So meme happy to take their money and get a chance to see. She on Shanghai and Beijing, but. They will follow the Coors. We just take a little bit longer. That's all. You're in China. They have the outcome based education system, but they're seeking to tweak it so that they can they can kinda approve it. They said we want to keep our people under control. But we want them to be more creative and productive inefficient and happy while they're doing it right now. The question is if America has become more incoherent wouldn't that be a function of the Prussian education system outcome based education being used to control the workers and make more profits. And now, it's just run. Its course the its its course were exhausted. Now our school using zone. Sit in the national vitality been exhausted. The good used. The term in coherence about three or four years ago. The financial times of London on the editorial page accused of being Inco. You may have read the same p side did, and then coherent society that we lost a reason to be a nation at all because subsidizing bankers and drug company was sufficient reason to proceed in history. Yeah, we're in coherent. We don't nation comes from the root. Family, and we we no longer have a concern other than restore goal concern with one another. I mean, obviously there many individual exceptions to that. But the government clearly is no said concern, we have evolved economy to pans upon constant warfare. And. Even though it was stretching it in Iraq and Afghanistan when those are over we must have another conflict. We're going to have to stretch it even further hurt, and maybe a text small islands Fiji man because they represent men as being a child or World War Two the idea of calling something a war or the enemy has. No army navy air force intelligence are where they blow up their feet in their underwear. Just stretches the bounds of the ridiculous, call it a war. But we got a we got an object lesson from. Television comedian who said when you fly planes into a building it certainly shows you have courage, and that was temporarily the end of his career you do not speak in opposition to the main force driving events. Yeah. Yeah. Know, total cat. To look at America between I mean, roughly say eighteen hundred and eighteen sixty five and then from a mental right up to the first World War who's this explosion of invention. And it comes from the unlikeliest plays. Does not come from university trained inventors comes from everywhere. It's the way people saw the world around them. They saw this elements the raw material they process so the slightly different way. And then they had the experience the rhetorical capacity to say, hey, look better way to do this. It was happening. So frequently that a crisis occurred in capitalism and without under saying this crisis. You really can't understand why are schools of the product of the Rockefeller family. The Carnegie family, the Astor family, the Vanderbilt family the great capitalist families. They. Understood. The real problem. In successful capitalism is assembling capital. Getting people to give you their savings on the promise that you'll give them more back. But if you have people in an inventive matrix who can look at the way, the expensive businesses doing things open up across the street, and either do it cheaper or better or simply open up somewhere else where no one is doing capital is always should great risk. So in or oddly enough, I don't want to claim credit for what really is bringing. It's I I want to crave credit was openly discounts at me save for Mateen eighty to nineteen hundred. We were being forcibly converted. From an economy of small farmers small and generes entrepreneurs Andrew corporate economy, and these men doing it. They weren't intellectual dumb costs. They could see that as long as American inventiveness was loose like a while beast. They are going to have a lot of trouble pulling someone would say, but I saw, you know, Jack, and he went belly up so Prussian schooling, which should for different reason had been out to destroy the imagination. Let me say anyone listening to this. When someone makes a reckless statement like that you make sure they can document documented as long as you walk to your local pub. Public library because every public library worth soul in the United Sates every college library. You will find a collection of essays by Prussian philosopher, Johann fecta who was the immediate heir to the university of Berlin 's philosophy department which had been under manual con fick their wrote a series of. It was over a does public essays to the Prussian king from say at me say teen eight to about eighteen eighteen they're called a dresses to the German nation, and they provocative event that set the first one off was the Prussian army, which was the Prussian economy renting soldiers stealing other people's stuff had been whipped by Napoleon's amateur army at the battle of gain and six and faked. This said it was because this demon imagination was loose among ordinary soldiers. And in situations. They would. The orders from headquarters about what to do. And that's why we laws now what should fascinate? Anyone listening is? That's exactly what to so called liberal philosopher Spinoza in hall and had said in sixteen ninety and a book called track Tatas, politico. Religious political tract taught us religio politic Spinoza said has the ordinary population was so psychologically disease murderously. So there was no way to heal. It just as fake one hundred twenty five years later said who is no way to heal the disobedience gene in people thought for themselves. Fiqh said we have to. A system of four school universal for schooling in which we destroy the imagination bells ordered lessons. Concent- testing rankings. Now, if it were only those two major figures, but you now can go back a few hundred years in history to John Calvin 's institutes, the Christian religion, but she's this tiny print, but if you ever go man and actually force yourself to read it whereas to read one encyclopedia tells you it says you'll find that Kelvin says. That the saved are saved before they're born the damned or nineteen dole. One are damn before they're born and no amount of good work or behavior can save the dam and no amount of evil. Your can damn the save. He expression the use be pretty common. But as vanished on purpose is justified. Sinners saved are justified. Senators who can do anything in carpet bomb civilian populations where they're not Caesar Americans. You know, you've done no harm, according to count Calvin said, the only way this alike, cold the same the elect will be ever be safe because they're out. Number two heavily is to set up a system of universal compulsion schooling with the intention of destroying the imagination and filling the head with garbage. But said the same thing fake, the said the same thing, I think we just ran out. So so run. So run. But it has no micro. All right. So we're gonna take a ten minute break. Oh, good. We're going to change the tapes. We're turn all these lights out. We're gonna turn back on and cool. You off if you wanna get up and move around us about. Major mind lot of influence who sure cameras. Talent. Cameras rolling. Danz everybody cool. So we have this almond this continuity among major minds with a lot of influence, including trans Atlantic influence on the state. We have. Prior to the break fixed in Prussia Spinoza in Holland and cow, really beginning Geneva spreading all over where. Where his theology spread. But the fall of the least. In the form of written documentation. That's easily available has to be played. Oh, the Greek aristocrat who speaks through the mouth of Socrates and rights to influence Tope one. Well, known the Republican one not so well known the laws which is the product of his tour reflection on what needs to be done and all four these men, we could if we had time do forty, but these four major names spanning European history agree, the ordinary population is a very dangerous to social or if it learns how to think and if it's a. Immagination remains intact. And Furthermore, we have this corollary. There is no. To improve this and what I've left. Is the killer app that occurs in the middle to the end of the nineteenth century for one of the wealthiest families on planet are the family of Charles star. And their former Anglican minister trained son Charles who in his second major publication the descent of man says that the evolutionary retarded. Are fatally dangerous to the physical integrity of the human rights advance of civilization because of the few evolutionary advance like the Scandinavian blondes and the English on cross breed God forbid with the hour or the Spanish evolution will March backwards into the swirling mists of the dauntless passed and not thing can change that maybe a few main years. Certainly nothing that current generations can do Dhahran, of course, is in every school clothing real entry school in the United States, probably the world. And no one bothers to mention that. He does the human race is of all there's a few a fraction or will. Now put yourself if you're watching this in the position of a responsible person who learns that someone who's made worldly success has a little bit of time and resources. And now, you know that if these ordinary people walking around the American democracy if they happened if they happen to cross breed. With your daughter. Evolution is going to March backwards. You now have a justification beginning in eighteen seventy one second to none. You can argue with Calvin you argue with are you was point. He can argue with this is science and mathematics. And Furthermore, and unknown connection that has I some reason escaped the attention of the door Winnie and Darwin's earlier cousin Thomas mall has said there is no way mathematically to feed the poor. Because if you. They'll reproduce more successfully. And then they'll be twice as many then four times as many that population. Expands geometrically, but food only heiress Mannix, right? So we and of course in Darwin stars. He said that his pursuit of the secrets of biology are stimulated by the work of his cousin mole 'thus. Now, we have after Darwin's to blockbusters the second of which raise my hands on what's full name of Darwin's origin of species the the progress of the favored races. And he does not use the term raise the way we do. Hey, how's about fifty seven separate races? Which the are sure on the very bottom. Thank goodness. He said that because respectable percentage very audience. I speak to rather be reluctant to save things. So as for anybody here derived from a partial ours. He's the Irish or hopeless. There is for the are. Course what's left out of simply relating Darwin said is his training as an Anglican minister. And if you haven't a pick up, the Anglican book of Common Prayer, hundreds and hundreds of years preceding, Darwin you fund, the God's will sit defied all the living creatures and plans and to an infinite number of layers and to attempt to leave the layer your placed in is the worst sacrilege it all so Darwin's theory fully exploit K. Is the Anglican Holly of Abedian? Holly of a Binion says exactly, but Dr those hundreds of years ago, don't try to get on a your biological category. Because it's hopeless and prior to that don't try to get out of your spiritual category. 'cause it's hope is a great similarity between the two idea. Now, if you set out to find evidence that this is such much easier than simply setting out to look at the v abundance of natural form. So. The real actor in the peace, Darwin's, Shreim, man, fantastically wealth. That's been left out of all fantastically wealthy. The high tech upper class purchase was Wedgwood pottery. And that's the source of the Darwin family. Well, so Darwin's first cousin is a man I was taught in high school back in the early nineteen. Fifties is as to be the most intelligent single human being ever lived. I was told that over and over his name Francis. Golden. World famous export mathematician venting little statistical formula to discriminate trades of quality that the schools are infested with Andy as Mr. it worldwide phone Galt and clubs including in the United States. He makes several pilgrimages. So the US to spread the inside that Amana st- to the human race exists in ninety five percent of the population. And there has to be a y to put them render them harm school recommended by fake data Spinoza Calvin and play Doh. And we'll defend this with precise mathematical signs, we will keep to ourselves the biological reason. Meanwhile, we've gotta find a way for the biologically advance to breed with one. If you will trace the founding years of the elite private boarding schools in the United is the exception of no more than six you. Discover that all of the male and female emerging the thirty including the woman's colleges. Seven so sues in the thirty years after the descent of man, which will be an every respectable library in the United States. And of course overseas to I urge special if you're ours to pick it up and read. You will not be disappointed to find yourself at the bottom of all the races earth, just as the English without Darwin. Whatever grade. Well, anyway, so this package ov-. Highlevel evidences contentions is capstone was scientific mathematical evidence and the proselytizing of Francis. Colton beggars rigorous out of that comes in the period right after the American first World War a phenomenon in country fairs all over America called the better families competitions. You set up the criteria for ranking? And you know, you present your daughter's like prize heifers to be rated by the judges. So. We have a series of these reinforcements of Darwin theory, which is really a reinforcement of Anglican theology or Calvin theology or platonic philosophy or fifty Voss or if you wanna go to liberal of Spinoza and philosophy to finally, we gets his Kemp's. I'm now the cap is off the tunnel a hell because not only are people justified and setting up a form schooling. That's anti-educational, but they're doing their natures work or the Lord's were you decide you wanna go Cala during the Lord's where you wanna go nature you go Spinoza. Yeah. So that all this wonderfully rich fabric of foundation his ride on the surface. Someone that's the point Irit tension to please no one watching say fellow Gada was spun off. Phenomenal interesting. But why king fair I didn't spend anything I took the dot then I connected them. And I said there are Denic oh from three hundred BC on till? Post Darwin Goten comes a German a Prussian. Psycho physicist Ville hill. Vaunt who is the premier behavioral psychologists on earth and now spring bomb show on all the only place in the world for a long time. You get a degree was on their Prussia university of Berlin Leipzig these little nast of Germany countries. So from all over the world can the sons of the most powerful families beginning in eighteen fourteen or sixteen in the United States. When a guy who later became the governor Massachusetts went over to get his degree by the eighteen seventies. Eighteen eighty was flood from Japan. Pan from Ron from everywhere. And now they were turn to their home countries. Not because I have a degree are the made presidents of universities heads of government bureau because their families have clout. And now that's become the ticket to intellectual management. That's how these Persian ideas spread like wildfire. There's only one university in the says who doesn't have a president with the Prussian, and he's close I think he has a French because the French scramble to try to get the degree to that's Tich dirt Cornell, the head of oh heads of psych departments Persian Pige days. So you now get this kernel of. Idea whether France, full or son, Tiffin everywhere from Japan. I mean everywhere the same. I did Japanese constitution in eighteen sixty eight is scrapped and the Prussian constitution translated trip. It's. We're talking here the domination of ideas that so interesting that what should make you suspicious is that no one ever heard. They heard this detail this why hasn't anyone join them together? I'll tell you what a big shot professor at Columbia teachers codes told me twelve years ago when a beer human is din. And I said, Doug. Surely, you know, these things why is it your eyes teacher left to beat the Durham. He looked at me. And he said not a good way to get tenure. That's all he said. And I know I know that financial finally prawns or penalty is enough to control the way, we all think and these things have been studied since the kalija and ancient Rome army should put together. These insights churches have put together these insights and pass them down and on broken string to their son's usually of course, the daughters catches kids hand, but eventually to both. If I could notice the pattern that you're describing it seems that people are rational, they come up with ideas of utopias, and then they in order to get this utopia compulsory schooling. And then they found a bunch of different ways in the latest using science to make people think that this is how it has to be. But when you look at the, you know, the real effects of Darwin in the form of say eugenics and the role it played in America. That's Goten news. The inventors first cousin is the inventor of eugenics and the chief Gogel distributor, those one major exception to this and the people who claim to be a follower of the exception. Claim to read his book like the bible have never seen him say about. I'm talking about the so-called father capital as. The the wealth of nations Adam Smith who in the first fifteen pages says there's no difference during the Duke son, the street sweepers son except early train a dead giveaway. This idea was known to be highly dangerous, and I don't think this is ever occurred in publishing that I know before or since in the eighteen nine reprint a wealth of nations because it immediately became an international must-read, the publish her the book a man with the ironic name of William play fair con. Takes his own author to task in the preface to the book. He said the social order would be destroyed by telling people that they were all capable of intellectual development. The only way progress through thousands of years of history semi them think they depend on our goodwill. You know for the Bredon Bader, let alone their safety and everything L. It's a scathing upgrade of his own immortal, author Adam Smith Smith is as far as I can say other than minor figures like foreign snide and kale ensure her he's the only one who says what ought to be obvious on the face that came up is to me when I was giving five classes a day to teach in the middle of Manhattan's Gold Coast of the Upper West. So I taught them the sons and daughters of the media darlings and the sons and daughters of profe- Sewri a-, and the doctors, and lawyers, but also taught the kids from Spanish Harlem, and from Blackhall who never know table causing a lot. Leur was I raised with the very democratic out wasn't an undemocratic outlook. But wasn't stress you could hardly call my family in modern terms liberal. How discuss that's not a dirty where all jaw being and because my German grandfather who cried out in the middle of the street and Mancini for German victory during the second world, ROY even though his son was an infantry commander at the battle of the bulge where he was calling for German victory. Let me see if I can if I can tone down my enthusiasm for. A large percentage of the population time at the time was German. All right now, there was a whole swing of pro German up until nineteen thirteen. And then all of a sudden, the Germans were Huns and at Hominum, right? Hey, Hitler in the reason. You don't find mine? Come February, isn't that? It's a dull book, there's a center sanctions tribute to the United States as the pure German country on earth that ten foot portrait of Henry Ford bond Hitler's stands and Sigmund. Ford's Neff, your nays Edward L, Burnett was so public relations man for Nazi Germany. That's why you know. That would disturb people to best. They don't know that some anyway, I. Partly out of a kind of natural a goal terrorism that comes from a strong working class population around Pittsburgh break, your nose of your insult them rather than beg for mercy. And partly because of laziness, I decided it was my five classes. To impose the same material all five classes, the same quality of discourse make no differentiation at all certainly made my life easier. But what I had done throw away the assigned curriculum which are bully was Jack London. And and nothing wrong Jacqueline a lot of fun to read. But if you want to exercise your mental muscles, that's not the way to go, and I had taken from Cornell and Columbia and recall, June, Oregon, which are the major call tended. I had taken a level of. Tags fully to that. And what I discovered was apart from cosmetic differences, maybe a little less grammatical may be sure papers and stuff to level of intellect in the ghetto black population in the ghetto Hispanic pug, July was really quite Aaquil to the others that wasn't a political police pose we give you one example. I had a little black kid named Gregory Smith, Gregory. I hope some are the your law, and you're listening to and I'm replacing Jack London with Moby Dick, the most difficult American novel ever explores all the great ideas of European. History predestination and all the rest, and I'm holding forth on those ideas, the same time, we're reading a book it's way beyond anything and difficult to read and I hear a crash look in Gregory Smith has fallen asleep and crash to the floor. Well, I'm fresh out of Pittsburgh. And the way we deal with people. I that is kick the soles of their feet. They way Cup real Chris with cups through to us when we're making out under car, sir up. That's far. Got a kick are free. So anyway, Gregory wakes up, and I'm very insulting. And he said, I don't need to pay attention. I learned that stuff in third grade. We're in eighth grade now. So I'm really insulting. But I'd say what you mean. You learned third grey. Hey said, well, I learned that these sets of ladies who we veer future. And you can't change it the norms in Scandinavia the fates in grease, and as I was really back from that. Because he admitted connection Cornell Columbia never made for me between predestination these he said, and and not learned these things from the visiting sunset your genes and chromosomes, and they do dictate color your hair, and how you scratch your no you can't change on. So I don't need to listen to you talk about predestined. Well at that men. I mean at the exact second I said this kid is. Written a PHD? These is that will become a book. That'll make his lowest for the rest of his life. And he's Gregory spent a stupid kid. And then I completely open MAs insurance behind the street. Idiom was active mentality. Fresh ideas. It just had been treated with such disrespect for so many years wasn't worth bothering to waste it on a school to revolutionize my teaching. But then over the balance of the that was the first year a tone of the twenty nine years taught. I decided to use the fresh is perspective of the so-called hopeless ghetto kids. And huge benefits flowed to me and hope some to them too because I took what they wanted to do. Seriously. Jamaal Watson one to do nothing. But draw comic books in the back of class. I would could back and use mine. Superior experience. Towns say listen Jamaa used to read comic books, and if you wanna do this seriously, you're doing it wrong. He agreed Sam the best in the school has maybe I said, but in a real coming book, all the panels aren't the same size look at the one you're copying from. They're all different says this show move real coming to figures. Don't stay inside of by the head comes out the Fisken's on. I said, look, you're copying. And you don't see that. Wanting you take a week out of school go to Maloka public library. I'll cover for you take down the stack of books on graphic or and learn what you're doing. I mean, that's worthwhile. Use your time. So I've found that each person one girl wanted to do nothing but swim and she snorting Clinton's and one of finally sent her what's going on. She said I've devoted to been lympics swimmers just thirteen and this is why didn't you do that for the rest of the you can't do it in school? We don't know swimming. But they're about hundred and fifty public swimming pool. In New York City. Why don't you plot them map with pins or stickers? Visit everyone them set up a rating for these twin poll concentration chemicals in the water depth the poll length. Lighting access costs. And you produce an information reference that will make you somebody because I'll go around the local public libraries say you're doing that. And could you be catalog 'cause who else has preferences? Well, she was her life was transformed because I treated her time and with respect. But meanwhile, if you took. Any? I mean, any of the subject areas, you could find the two was developing muscles in each one of them. We got a call from New York that's a city magazine in about midway through the school year. And they said they had heard about this. And they wanted to buy the data, and they would pay five hundred dollars for Jimmy wanna publish. Well. No, we would put our own riers name on this girl. I dot if should ever seen a ten dollar Bill in her alive. I'm offering five hundred dollars. She said, no, it's mine. I want to use the put mine name on which they weren't willing to do. So, but I know that was the beginning of a transformation in her live fan. A famous American writer somebody that. The New York Senator from har- rewrote was his name fruity poise very famous. Go back ten years who am I talking my hero? No prior to that. But the coincided with Cuomo. No, he was. Hid written book about the plight of poverty, but they weren't sympathetic books. Hey was nationally famous and he was so Florida's a public figure that. In any case. I had a friend who had flunked out of Cornell. I'm reluctant to mention his name without because he's nationally famous writer, but assess and actions, and this famous New York Senator said publicly that he was the world's foremost assess, and they expert well, you now know that he was flunk out from Cornell this happen because when the sore the Kennedy assassination, I driven him to Cornell, and he was trying to plead his way back in and Kennedy was assassinated, we stayed up all night. We both agreed anything happened to the assess that none of the information could be trout. That in the next ten. And that was it the sense. So he went back to cornell's flunk Kat talked a big time. Professor. Andrew hacker is dead. Started. General studies program coming into giving him a PHD or the beginning of one without ever going to class. Spend all his time writing a book about the not the Kennedy assassination about the composition of the Warren commission. Which I thought was very Conroy to sidestep, you know. Yellow journalism stuff. It became inquest school. It became national bestseller led to all expenses paid ph to Harvard then he wrote a book about the debate. Here's diamond mines. They took him in in South Africa's houseguests for a long time. And he wrote a book saying diamonds are essentially worthless thousands of years of falls already put away then he talked his way into the NBC news room. And wrote does my -nificant investigative study called news from nowhere about how news actually is selected. For transmission? Other words, everything he touched was. This is flunk from college. So all of these anomalies in the Harlem kids Spanish Harlem kids from my flunk, cud Cornell friend. Finally, shook my belief in one I had been taught that it's an orderly universe merit to termines. And I could begin to see around me all the narratives that were disconnected from reality. They hardly were hidden and all. Yeah. They were all weapons of mass destruction narratives, and they Kurd over and over and over again every aspect including in the world of medicine nutrition. Seemed to be no ethical or moral break on what in sons were able to say all the other insiders would agree with? So that when I turned to what all these was wrong was school was that we were creating I as an school to was creating the hideous discipline problems that we then said, we must have money to relieve that it seemed like a closed universe which one in wash the other one the all these horrible kids from horrible ghettos were perfectly able to rise into valuable contributors. And it wasn't a very long distance. Sigo for example, remember one? I I started a school year with were trying to get rid of me is the worst class on the eighth grade the kids were huge than no tradition of scholarship at all. But I did termined utterly ignores that and to say that we were going to start with Shakespeare's three most important plans. And if they couldn't master the part. Those willing to cut them lose from school for months, and they could travel around elementary schools. Put his paws on talk about the problems, staging them of mastering the character or something or there, and I'd say ten days when by Zimphoto is in. Harvard and all of a sudden some kid burst out laughing in the middle of this too. Too. Solid. Flesh would melt thaw resolved seven two. What are you laughing about? She knows that. We're the dumb clients. And from that point on it was not long, you're easy because the other dumb kids had had the allusion, but wasn't an allusion broken. But we still got some good work done. We invent the problems that we have to Seoul. That's what I think all experts to I don't think including brain surgery. That's Zang thing that human skill is capable of. It's very hard. To learn take sometime you can benefit from prior experience, but doesn't take anywhere near the time expense. So the point is that individuals have an innate infinite potential, and that we're not limited by jeans or species or lost to. People wish to learn it used to be called emulation your own somebody can do something. Well, of course, you're you're watching and how they do it. We talked earlier, but the disadvantage adopted kids have when you want your mother and father and your fourteen months old and have no Lang you're still saying how they deal with for stray Shen how merge with one another or not contend with one. Here's seen so many hundreds of skills that in fact, you're biologically programmed to imitate later when the mind cakes in you have some selection, which ones to an which ones, but. We don't allow that to happen. Because the very first thing schools do is strip the experience base. Is right to turn your kids into geniuses. I mean by the time they're seven is just a front load here Germont experience, including dangerous experience. And my favorite story is Richard Branson tells it in his autobiography? His mother who was an airline stewardess in nineteen forty six fun. The atlantic's. I'm not exactly the safest thing to do. She was desperate. Did. He wouldn't be come. Dependent. And so when he was four years old picture forty eight months, he she drove him miles from their London home in. Shame -ly green and ask him if he thought he could find his way home from there. And he said I thought he could get up and do. So then she said and now. He doesn't even have many words, you know, so eight or nine hours later when he finds his way home he said nothing in his life ever seemed hard for him to do again. He drops out of high school. Never goes Collins has first million bucks time. He's nineteen by figuring out what people need and want and giving it to cheaper or better. Bring one offer what our society b. If we put millions of people the same experience, I think it would be closer to what colonial America was and early federal americ- when nobody wanted to work for somebody else. They wanted an independent. It would be closer to that. And corporate hell that we have now, but the corporations following perfectly rational logic have begun to need less and less people, but they have such political control over the legislatures in federal government that there's no way arrest is progress. Furthermore, as I spoke at General Motors, but ten years ago, a mid level executive told me when I asked him, you know, you guys had the world wasn't any competition. What happened, you know? I remember when Jap corn came had names like the blue bird and the fair lady. I mean, it was a joke. What happened and he said. Said what happened was this? That engineering which used to be the fast track to the executive suite and profit train all the good stuff. Stop in the fast-track finance became the fast track taking these huge profits. Speculating and variable rate mortgages in foreign currencies that became the road. Same thing that happened to the steel industry and Pittsburgh wasn't moved out of Pittsburgh because any than we're losing a penny. They're making great profit his sit the Harvard B school boy's said, look, you can take this money making a lot more. And or course would get rid of a hundred. Stip workers truck drivers. But who cares? Darwin say, they're not evolving. They're all our. This is this is the juxtaposition between eugenics and that type of mentality where people are under control and someone Branson who gets to go on walkabout, which is a right of passage which was around in the this country with high literacy rates, and so when we had a high entrepreneurship self mines literacy rates people who had critical thinking knew how to deal with problems on their own because if not you might die or think badly of if you wanna job for. What do you wanna do? Right. Right. But but these different compartment are intimately inter law. So stunning one and the other is if you're going to pass the short answer test, your disabling, you're fragmenting. Yeah. Yeah. The. Synthesizing parv your mind, which is wanted Nabil's you strike. So that history does and infinitely repeated cell, but now that's been restricted to such as small fragment of the population. We're in desperate trouble internationally because the Chinese the Japs the Malaysian can do this brain paralysis much better than we can't. 'cause they have traditions that allow and we still turn out in the fourth Joa and say, oh with free land of the brave whenever. So if someone were to walk way from this segment saying, what did he say, it's the bad things done in school have been intellectually justify it, and you're not going to change that set of one. So all the effort, you may to systematically change schooling is a huge waste of time energy and resources 'cause now the majority of the poor people in the country make their living either directly from that or indirectly because you know, longer have. Critical mind one is the definition of marketing that when I took marketing Columbia, they taught me it's overcoming sales resistance. Well, if there is no sales of. Yeah. You do that, but juggling balls and dancing? Here's a pretty girl by the product you can have her. It's quite a pickle that. We're in not our managers. Don't think they're in a pickle what they are too. Because the Chinese for example, are so much more oil verse. You know in screwing Rog will power. We have been around a few under years. They're really very nicely. Thank you. If they cashed in the bonds old right now for just forget, the dollar is paper. Give us our money back. How are populations kind of prepared and indoctrinated and conditioned into receiving such such low? They provide such low resistance to the Ponzi scheme mentality of the predators. Well. The interesting thing about leverage, and it has been studied since ancient Rome. You don't have to do everybody. You just have to do a few opinion makers. They do the rant. Here's how Andrew Carnegie did it with the Protestant churches of the United States. He simply in one fell through donated a brand new organ to every church in say this died. Noel, atheists opened his purse, everybody got to Oregon, do you suppose? There was anyone turned the organ down. There was much resistance. Now, you accept the Oregon but grew up in a Christian tradition. You don't you think Mr. Curran for his Oregon? Don't get being human hope something. Else will follow that organ, and you bet you do how did cornet Enron for get ahold of the schools? There were no pensions for teachers the government didn't set up. The pension says some Rockefeller Carnegie set up the pension system out of their own pockets. And of course, they didn't give it to everybody your school had to conform with what they send was abound. Says you -cational dying for credits, whatever they were to grow to math, whatever they were you compete for the pensions. If you followed the Carnegie credit system is there any school in the country. Didn't I never heard of what how could you? 'cause the local parents would say what are you not? You're not taking this free money. I mean, what your donors and so great. Anyway, what you're doing is. Why? So this whole. Religion of leverage, which is cumulated over more than two thousand years is utterly unknown. Except to seminar courses at the most elite colleges in you may have a rough idea. What leverage means from physics course and see how connections, but you don't have any idea how you can plan the future Fernan tire regenerate nation or a city by using leverage. This should talk was. Used to leverage the best leverage available wasn't the newspapers. Although it was good. It was the pull pits and so mixed in with the real things should talk a one to teach. We're traveling Christian minister the whole Harper's publishing empire is. I think it's Methodist but Dora home into that. Maybe I think the Rockefellers. But they're not Baptists like other about forty kinds of Baptists one small fragment of this who are like Piscopo Palin. I forget the name of it. I was I was studying the Quaker transformation from pious humble people to among the most powerful certainly the most powerful small sect in the country one hundred thousand Quakers they've had to American presidents forty five percent. And there. Recent right. Nixon being the most restriction Hoover. So. You can't think clearly and all you computer foll-. No, unless the data is available. You can't think it will someone knew that veers ago what data to remove how to spend a local of thority into your game. Let him do the word schoolteachers. I was about say buying larger is and they're all innocent. They're not in a synthetic Cotner. They're drawing will pool of college graduates. The New York Times says or the. Lowest single scoring graduates on. Standardizing zooms except for school administrators who will all the. Coherent, occupational groups in the country. They're fifty points below the teacher robe. So the managers so call the dumbest people of all. They know that their pay. Check depends on twenty people take their job. They don't want me sit in a parents say we've got to do something different. But they're listening to Tom Tom's tongue. What to do different? And of course, what to do different always says addenda fine. The most influential parents are always the ridges to to those people they'll be gone and three or four year, then go back, and do you always stew? If if you look at schools and nineteen five schools to the car spun and sues overwhelmingly, similar you would not. Wow. You say, hey history has moved. Frederick gates helped out Rockefeller at a time. When the family was getting a bad reputation, and like Carnegie, they were having a lot of labor disputes. How does the idea philanthropy and altruism affect American education? Philanthropy and Oltra ZIM as it occurs. Sue, the institution of the private corporate from day. Shen is the explanation for what's called American education, lets us call American schooling. That's a pretty comprehensive condemnation of any Evans that. Yes, I do the to congressional investigations of where's schools came from one in nineteen fifteen by gun Walsh? One in nineteen Fifty-nine by guy named Carol Reese, both came to Denic, oh conclusion, all the mysteries vanish at least source mysteries. When you see how the foundations which don't spend. Very much money us leverage to control the curriculum. The tests things says so the public. Perception what's going on? And those fundation until very recently Rockefeller current and Ford were the ringleaders they had divided. Responsibility. For took. Love me, not miss here. Rowing gate. There was in charge of Ford at the time and he had met with Norman Dodd and get their says. Well, Mr. Don, we have direct direct us from the White House. And we're we at the Ford Foundation or exa or us the White House back in the twenties and thirties, set up conferences of expert in or to homogenize expert opinion because inside the expert body, there were colossal names. And if they spoke all the other chords fell into lawn, I think four took over the psychological. Output of schooling. Rockefeller, and Carnegie, indifferent wise or tempting to global. Same Carnegie Foundation still today, if you go up to their live breath, I think it's an awesome ING around there. Just read their annual report for the Carnegie corporation everything ever. So on the front page of the new year times in relation to schooling was cooked up in the project offices, and then it's dumped on the world through the control of the media. The me control. Well, it's controlled to advertising. That's all you can use your friends, so bun more or bodily from they come and say, why aren't you wearing say while your point of view is so radical. Advertising, cool. Let's take at least a fifteen minute break. Cool this room on them with Canucks of how it's done is the most useful thing to someone just news this because they say, well, it seems like everyone have to be in on this. No. Yeah. We can we can cover that will colour off. Let's get the lights off.

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Gina Gershon, Kirsten Storms & The Giant Baby?

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Gina Gershon, Kirsten Storms & The Giant Baby?

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Lindsey Weber and there are three. These are the trending topics for today. Lindsey and I had the same three but she hasn't clicked them the way I have and I was like. Don't click. Okay okay. I'll try to figure out what these things are. I'm going to start from the bottom and move up so I have number. Three is MoD MoD. To is that. Maud like the Arthur show or is it something. It's MoD like Arthur show which I appreciate April twenty. Second was the anniversary of the finale of Maud. Don't forget these are for us. These trends are for us so embarrassing. Yeah we but it's a lot of people are also tweeting about you. Frown you fron. It's the same thing as Clarisa. I clicked Clarisa and I was like as a sanctuary. And of course you get into the thing. Where half of the immediate top tweets are like when you click Clarisa expecting clerks at all and it's not and then everyone's mad that it's not but they aren't explaining what it is it's a medium so it's a mean with like old Victorian women and it's like which pitcher you imaging Clarisa fe fanny allies ammo also. It's not even Ma both so that's why I was telling you funniest thing is that neither both. It's just somebody was like. Oh since modest trending. I'm going to talk about Ma the TV show but specifically is the series finale anniversary. So it's both which is wild. So MoD is one of the six women that you could be modest. Ran Out of liquor last week. Big Dog might be a wolf hiding knives intercourse at Jack. London fan girl. Orissa is I think the winner. She's absent cordial glass singing birds in her window. Having a jolly time secretly full of existential dread servants. Like that's me that's me. I'm not okay weird. I'm we very weird me very weird name number. One trend is influence a musk. Because Lindsey that's what random. Twitter accounts are saying that grimes. You'll unmasked name their baby. No no influenza. Musk no they're not but they're just making jokes. I can't see any proof anywhere. I just see a lot of people responding to the news influenza. Musk is I mean at all. It's just people responding to the news and making memes about the news. That isn't verified. Literally anywhere right. It's not to know what verified. It's yeah no where yeah no way right. Yeah but the memes. They're good they're memes are really good. The MEMES AREN'T INFLUENZA. Must Ebola mosque and krona virus? Musk on their way to the Church of Satan. And it's like but the thing about Ilan and grimes is that even if they were going to name their kid like you know Arthur. If they saw this they might be like not a bad idea. Great White it out and put an influenza just a troll people there lunatic it just funny that this information comes from literally nowhere. It's like not just like a joke. It's just a mean not it's just spread who it's it's literally Russians. It's like the homeland season where the Russians were creating. The light bought farm in the secret place outside of Langley. And it's like they're just planting information but the misinformation is that Elon. Musk and grimes are naming their kid influenza. And it's tearing our country apart. This little twitter click those legs. Text me something. Yeah Click it SAM. At San Erection leads click has four re tweets in Twenty Lights Nice cricket influence and bus on its way influence a musk on. Its way back home after giving birth to itself. Zoom into that baby can easily recognize the baby and giant baby. And a cyber truck did you. Giant baby is three years old rate. That's why he's giant right and the baby's Amos Gavin all of his talks. There's one of my growing around. There's one of 'em like in a washing machine. His talks are good honestly. They're all him doing things. You'd want the big baby to do when the baby is outside dressed like a normal three year old. It's not funny right like the thing about this. Big Baby is not actually a baby as a three year old is like a little Chubby and has a bald head. That's what makes it look like a baby but three years old when it's in baby attire. Meaning the judge just bottom and it's like okay. Nice looks like a one year old. It's funnier and weirder. That's why it's a giant baby but it's not technically a baby. That's what I'm saying. Like the reveal it. It's on a baby just means it's kind of a big subsidy looking three-year-old because the thing with big baby giant babies is really tall. That's the thing that's the thing about giant baby. It's that it's really tall. Yes that's the thing about giant baby. That's really doll. The thing about giant giant Lindsey. That's a giant baby. Love Dia Baby. If you guys haven't seen giant babies search giant baby onto the thing about giant baby is that you expect this family to get like ding-dong at the front door and it's far me being like I have some news about your child. Wait what would the newsbeat? That's actually four. Okay okay comments. Welcome to their. We owe vibe check by check. Has Your friend great now that we talked about giant baby. I'm I feel good years. Why my vibe is particularly good this morning. Abnormally good vibe. Because yesterday was my birthday. And let's see. Set Me Pie for my birthday and. I had a slice of the pie for breakfast. Is My favorite thing to do blueberry pie breakfast pilots so good. I almost like took a piece. But then she wrote all the pieces on the cover and I was like shit like insight once chocolate salted. Honey ones live caramel apple while I can't take one now. That was my mom's thing growing up her like number one favorite troll was. When we ever ordered pizza she would go pick it up. Yeah she would go pick it up and then eat like half a slice in the car like somehow sliced in half. We'd get home and a half a slice it'd be going to Chico. Oh no they did it again. Every time they always do this every single time it was a really good bit. A good bed bath okay. You're listening to. Who's there with Colin? Show where we take your questions. Comments concerns at six thousand nine. Who then we have a lot of comments this week because you all were on one. You're on several. You know what was happening was happening though ties musically so I'm really easy but I'm certainly you seem by now but An full I think we can things we say but Yeah that's reached an interesting conclusion. Infos pick on instagram. I don't even have any words to say. I mean very glad that he and masters interesting but I'm happy that we we've heard from him and he's starving time all right me so I just have to because everything is doing to call you guys to like. He does that also L. Court whenever his name is he's only fans and posted his home care on instagram. Only Fans Lincoln guy you know one asked or maybe job repeat. No one asks for both inch piece to help in French. Crunch question is who for an allegory to pose news for charity? Crunch French highlands Bobby so Handful Albert just posted a photo on Instagram A Nice Semi Nude for us all in this quarantine the caption was only fans lake in bio which is funny. 'cause it was actually a post For me go fund me for a Brooklyn based charity which is nice but anyway Insult over really. Think he was supposed to be the next big thing. I would almost said he was at them recently. But I feel she's really descending into who them especially after that movie flop. This is extremely who he behavior. We'd be worried about him. Is there any way to stop them from trying to? Did you see an algorithm? Most recent instagram does he. Okay so I put the Bat signal for ansel which you may not have known because both segments got good input on them Badri if you WanNa hear what you missed me. Talking about ansel. He was spotted. He was spotted in La but it turned out not to be him in. The Daily Mail had to literally delete the article. If you WANNA hear more on this you could go to our Patriot because it's in the last patron VIP episode both segments of segment. Where I thought it was answering the second worried realized. It wasn't until the point is is that I put the bat signal for Ansel. I was like where is ansel at this time. It feels like he is somebody who would thrive in these times. Because he loves you know to entertain the masses any also loves like a good cause feels he would be out here. I mean also. He loves attention. Oh you love number-one but he's like a it feels like somewhere he would be thriving. The point is that he was missing. Didn't know where he was. He'll happens to live in my neighborhood so I was like. Where is he not that I see again? Not that I see him but it's just like a thing that I was thinking about. And so not only did he turn up. He turned up in like the most wonderful way that got everybody talking because he posted nude a new that was taken by his photographer famous photographer. Dad Mean I cannot both like we talked about it. I joked Lindsey I said L. O. L. Do you think his dad took this. No his brother just joking about. Why would your family take? Your sexy is a famous photographer. I know kind of now that I'm like I'm we know that he took it. I'm kind of think it's like it makes sense. It's money like the dad having to go to just the right angle so that the Dick isn't visible. You know apparently was too sexy instagram. Had Him take down to take down to the point is yeah? He posted this semi nude getting their nude and only fans Lincoln Bio which is a funny joke. Because that's not a semi nude. He was niggly nude okay with hand. Okay but we didn't see the Full D. on my on my point is he said only fans Lincoln Bio it was a joke you went to his bio and he was helping to raise money for Brooklyn hospitals which is So ansel to do the kind of like what are the people want kind of to lure them in with his little nude and then link them to the hospital and he ended up deleting the post because of instagram. I think posted a instagram story. The day a day later that was like we raise some money. That was good. That was fun. Glad you liked my nude. My Dad wants me to say that he took the picture. He wants more credit so weird. That took the picture. I think it's money we haven't you know one thing that we haven't talked about lie. Speaking of nudes are not newt's Dick in the time of Krona Virus Is the very who we mean? Sarin applying moisturizer to my hands. They're really cracking today. The very very Louis mean but still very funny cock big nineteen because I think maybe was the original talk big magazines. I Bake Nineteen. Just what of the laziest names that still delights me? Every time I see it not good people who post photos of celebrities who are rumored to have big dicks or just doesn't even with bulges it doesn't matter and it's like so and so and elgort has tested breaking it's always like breaking all caps and still has tested positive for cock big nineteen and it's all over the like when you search for the most recent ones right now are some k pop stars. It's like everyone is just getting caught. Nineteen and it doesn't rhyme. It's not clever but it's still extremely funny to me. Every time I see it because all raking I mean at first glance you're like cove in nineteen no cockpit. Nineteen some of them they have receipts but in some of them. It's just sort of fan fiction just a fantasy land ray. Yeah and it fooled me. The first time I saw it I was like. Oh that I was like I said say Cock Beg Nineteen. Okay can we. Yeah okay. We're GONNA move on Bobby. Lindsey Neymar is not like savings in Brazil. He's like satanist fantasy like just because we live in America. We don't know who he is because we believe in American football he is a them of those data for that and he is like a step below Cristiano Renaldo at messy. Never quite got there but he's Berry Berry semi and bury things. H Hello Was He bobby? I was pausing the podcast to call into add a little color to the IAGO Rama's Situation The guy who's dating neymars mother Talks are incredible but an important detail that kind of highlights endeavor to get really close today. Mar Is that Allegedly Tiago used to date may Mars Chef. Who is man so fun So he met Neymar through the chef that he was dating So he has now dated Neymar chefs. He's now dating neymars mother And I think a lot of us are really helping episode ends with him finally getting today. Mar Okay GonNa continue listening crunch crunch by. Oh my bureau farming movies. Oh my God I know. I know. This is crappier than Norman Bates. Whatever that show so. I know that's what I was thinking of to Bates Motel. Why does that is career? You won't feel found out our red or came up and we translate. They broke up. When I think of Portuguese hooligan or some and Hooligan who speaks Portuguese was like follows a Portuguese new site. It was like senescent news item. That was in Portuguese. It was like the translation of this as that. Neymars mom dumped Tiago because she found out that he's dated men in the past but the article did not say in the transition that I saw that one of the men he is allegedly dated in the past was Neymars chef. Well that's maybe out of the not me out. I mean we could have told you this was not meant to be. I mean we kind of did in the last episode which was wide Segment was compelling because of the end. So this was actually covered by the son of a couple of weeks ago. We'll stay covered it in the first place. Two neymars MOMS toy twenty two dated. Ps G footballers personal chef and string of men before hooking up with nineteen fifty two which is fine but I guess it wasn't what his mom was into. Maybe she just didn't know. Which is you know which happens to there. Is there as you as you scroll through this story on The Sun? It's just like photos and photos of Hunky Dude threats. Neil also allegedly dated this PR consultant. He also allegedly Dave this actor and stand up comic sometimes spent his back and you just have to say either. Welcome or you know sometimes bet is like I never left. I wasn't I wasn't expecting you. Here yeah please come at another time. I'm sure you've already seen this. Elliot's Shoukat was spotted. Biking away from Brad. Pitt's house They're just friends country. Yeah I could still be friends O'kane come on. I don't I still don't think that that's like I think they might be now Weirdos. I just know if this were if these were normal people. I'd be like ooh there fucking if they were my friends but because they're celebrities. I'm like celebrities are really weird. I just don't know that I necessarily believed that there. I believe okay so I believe that they could be friends up until this very moment. This element I'm sorry during a not really supposed to be going to people's houses. She's spotted biking away from Brad Pitt. That Brad Pitt's house. I think there's like an intimacy there that is beyond friends who go to art galleries together at this point. But also there's the Fi- haven't read a headline about the photos are funny. She's a long coat or something yes. She looks like a secret agent. Writing one of those bikes. That's like it forward this front thing too tall for commuters like folds up or whatever so okay pulled me up literally folds up. I'm just I'm just like I'm convinced I need to. I think these are two Weirdos. If you told me they were fucking I if I if they came out and said we're fucking we love each other. I be like or just where fucking I'd be like okay. Fine like that doesn't really shock me but if you also said we're just to Weirdos it wouldn't shock me either also. Her pants are dirty. Her white pants are like big stain on the knee. Who cares the other thing is like I did? I don't think we ever mentioned this. But have you ever seen the video? She did for vice where I don't think you've ever seen it. But she did a video for advisories where they make a cartoon out of a story that has Larry tells about a party and she tells a story about like hooking up hooking up or hooking up. I forget actually up with this guy with this famous person. She's like he's very famous like speeches doesn't say who it is and he asks her He was like Ashur to shave. And she's really creeped out about it or whatever. The point is that he's really really famous and I guess people like did a little quote unquote research and kind of found out. There was walking Phoenix. Maybe lead that was yes so in my mind. I'm like Ali Shaukat. Kim like bagging allaster. That's how I'm thinking and I think Brad Pitt does see himself as like first and foremost creative like an artsy guy wearing like a poor a pork pie hat like he is a creative. I think I think that's sort of what's clouding my opinion right now. Because Brad Pitt has porn teaming with Jennifer Aniston like star and I believe rather successfully. He's weirdly changed his image to me. As someone who used to be a a-list hunk sex symbol to a SORDO WEIRDO? Older middle aged loner slash struggling artist. Who's kind of devoid of any horny? Nece like Brad Pitt has is somehow like to me. This almost sexless creature at this point he was a stone or Guy then. He became an a list. Gold boy right then became a sexualize cheater. Then now he is a kind of sad but then now he's kind of metamorphasized with the help of once upon time in Hollywood and stuff from that whole minute into Cool Dad Guy. I think kind of a stone or again. Artsy Guy That's it works for me. Well I just think that specifically he doesn't use sex appeal the way he once did and if anything he almost I mean he doesn't do anything like there's just like he's almost a sexual at this point. There's a new sexual vibe. But maybe that's why he's less threatening as like an eight former or current Alastair former golden boy a-list or kind of this guy that she could date essentially in real life. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Let's say if they actually were data hot I believe it I know but even that's a character outside everything outside of it. He's been so subdued and yeah well he kind of had to because of the accusations speeches right right right right. He's become kind of like daddy like a funny dad. That's how he has but then okay. We need to Mexico high. Who is we? I'm just calling. 'cause YOU'RE NOT GONNA play just call but I'm an archaeologist. They did check bodies into the box. That's how they got there. Howard Carter discovered King Tut's tomb haven't finished listening to the rest of the list but I'm going to guess that you're you're about to read Sir Flinders Petri. He's an Egyptian. Art Gallery founded archaeology. Look I'm a female archaeologist so when people say like Oh you're an archaeologist Indiana Jones or Laura Cross. That's it that's all we have. Okay love you buy so we got it we got? That's it that's all we have and also you call her. You're a celebrity book. We have you that it's pretty fun now. I mean if that's it that's a good selection. That's one hundred percent that's always. That's nothing but wins Indiana Jones and this hooligan. That's fine. That's great to me like there's no cancelled. Archaeologists you know like Oh you're like Not yet in next call. Hi Lindsay Lobby for sign. Medium time The Banana Dunkin donuts Situation it's probably not a drive through considering the places that they're probably going to Santa Monica Delray. They don't have drive-thrus but they do have delivery so they might just be getting it's delivered. I adored Asher or something anyway crunch crunch by. Yeah everyone gets everything delivered in La Dunkin delivered. It's just so funny it's like okay. Well I live in L. A. And I know the exact answer to this. I'm GonNa call and tell you the problem with getting ice coffee. Delivery is at the ice will multiply. It comes so you'd have to be like ICED coffee. No ice and then you put the ice in at your house. That's what I'd have to ask for which is fine. I just feel like liberty. You is very much against the point. That would be very. That'd be a low point for me. If I got ICED coffee from Dunkin delivered to me I want to. But I wouldn't did tell you. I went and got coffee for the first time in six weeks yesterday. What Birthday Java? I walked to the Coffee Shop. I bought a coffee inside. Coffee got coffee. I took it home and drink it like I didn't I didn't drink. I didn't drink it on the walk because I had a mask on but like there went on. Yeah I did it. Did you go to your place. I didn't go to my place. A mutual friend of ours texted me and was like our place are terrible place. They reopened for takeout and I was like. Oh God I hate that place but I might just go anyway. But then she was like but actually the other places up and down the street and they're doing a really good job but like sanitation and did it today. I'm like whatever. It was great great because the other place that we hate which I don't WanNa name because that's route is just like sucks and I feel like I can't even talk about it without it being too many signify identifiers okay. How's that I did? It was really great. No that's amazing. That's great I also got coffee yesterday from McDonald's drive through the Oh the the classic McDonalds. Yeah because I was like what was I was driving. Dropped off your gift bit and I was like what should I do? I'm in the car and having a good time which I do and I was like okay. Let's drive far but also stop at a drive through. That seems like safer. Save or something and so I stopped at a at a McDonald's drive-thru in got an iced coffee and it was incredible. It's also a Dunkin. Oh my God. We'll Dunkin too but McDonald's coffee is like very good using my thing but I was in my first job out of college my first job in Austin. I would stop at the McDonald's near my job every morning. I went to the starbucks every morning. And then in the weird thing is the most like the craziest thing. I probably told you disturb. Before every day to the starbucks that was inside a Randall's in Austin Randall's as a really shitty grocery store. Chain in Austin I hate rambles Randall. Socks why would you go to Randall's when an HP is right there point? Is the Randall starbucks inside and I went into the Randall's and I would go and I would get a Vinci. Hot Coffee was like a dollar ninety every single morning. That's it with With Room because I would add hoffy. I could yeah. And he says the Patriots Conversation by the way I went into the Patriot and it was like I felt very adult because it was my first job after graduation and every morning I would do it and I did it for two weeks and then sometime in the second week the Baristas. We're like hi. Bobby Walkabout vintage coffee with the thing and I would like and you never went back. I never went back. I was familiar and I started going to the McDonald's drive-thru okay. But that's literally what they're supposed. That's I use to it and I was like a little insecure freak baby and I was like this is too close. Oh no people are getting intimate Ono right away so I ran away. Wait does one of your funnier stories that that's okay story. So I went into McDonald's that was next. That was next but then the problem with the McDonald's is that like for the first few weeks I just get the ice coffee every morning and it was great. And it's like a dollar fifty gray but then when you start adding on my grill and it's like oh I'm going to get Emma griddle on Fridays but then like I'm GonNa griddle on Wednesdays and Fridays. I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA griddle Monday through Friday and I was like. I have to go into McDonalds every morning. And now when you go to the airport you'll wait in a forty minute line to get cold brew at starbucks and no one else so the ties of turned next call. Lindsay. We're talking about coffee too long. Why did you let me do this? Is Your fault way. This is your fault okay. Can you mix call? Hey second friend. Medium time had a positive quick and call you guys. You guys got to put some respect attorney. Nice name you said repeatedly Adrian Violon Keeley and the other one. Meanwhile the Terry was on power. She was insane. I think she's released a couple of songs she's GonNa be on The spinoff for power. So like you know. Give her assignment. She's kind of a big deal. It anyways me in quarantine we were to focus on the Cheetah girls. Yeah no but we we. We should have we. This is an oversight. And honestly this made me and bobby literally set up a WHO dat. So what is this setup? We're promoting our which will come out probably next week the week after next week after next Not Say we get your next. Can I say my favorite thing about Neutrino wikipedia page of the two photos? One of them is the main lead image. It's her like just surveys. And then there's there's a photo of her performing where she performing at Heb holiday parade in nine. She's a hell. Yeah well she from Texas. She's from New Jersey. But that's so nice performed at the Berlin. Heb I love it. Yeah stayed for her power though. I know it's a popular show. We've totally been over this. It's like a blind spot because I don't watch it and like any other show that I don't watch. It's one of those things where it's like. I know it's popular and if you said to me. Oh she's been on power for six years it's like. Oh Jeez probably a big deal. I would understand that but I wouldn't. Yeah anyways. Also it stars sort of like there's a category of prestige cable. I think stars Showtime Cinemax like those cable shows like you might be paying more attention to an HBO show. Oh then stars wait. She was a madman. She played the Playboy bunny. That Lane Pryce Hooks up listening to me. I mean that's like you're talking about Howard I mean and then you don't watch fucking. How is that possible? You having watched madman that's like as consumer comfort. The reason I didn't start watching it was that it was literally I was like. I don't need to watch this as well. She has a pretty. I would say conic though short. Roll on Madmen as a Playboy bunny that is lane prices girlfriend. You mean something new. You Watch Madman. I'm just trying to think of something. That is something that I've seen to connect her to my experience but again that's why we resort. We do that we needed. Who'd at update you know what's Nice about being home when I take a shower now or a bath or whatever I can stay in there for like four hundred years. You know. It's like no no no one's waiting for me. Nothing's happening it's like I'm GonNa make my showers like forty five minutes long. I'm introduced a quick shower person but now I'm like I'll just be in there forever and one of the things I do just like one of the many list of things that you do in the shower is sometimes you shave your legs or your arms or whatever you need to shave and it becomes like more of a relaxing experience in. It's ever been because you're like. Oh this is going to keep me in the shower. Longer some depressing. I think that sounds no. I love being. Sometimes I just stand there for a while. 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Do you don't want to and I just thought. Oh my God be the daughter of a celebrity of her nature like Oh God. That'd be so weird. It does not take her up on the offer but if you do look at her totally rip instagram from that. Mexico vacation she does. That affects over family. And I am trolling in the background. And that's one of the greatest accomplishments. Good Times I think I found a photo because it's Kelly Ripa at a resort in Mexico from three years ago and there's her family photo. Kelly took it for family. The caller said an empty resort and the earth. Three people on a bench and I guess that's the caller hello caller. The reason why I thought this not because you found the photo. I don't think that's interesting. But like the the cuteness of this call is the necessity of the daughter and actually honestly very nice of the daughter to do you. WanNa photo too because that is kind of my thing. It's like I wouldn't WANNA ask for. I would never ask for a photo but I would secretly secretly secretly kind of want one right. So it's like if not I'd want someone one from Kelly Ripa again. That's not really the the person who had wanted. Take a photo with but it is very sweet for. Kelly represented a play that role in her life. Where she's kind of like this is the thing that is really nice for people and I'm Gonna. I'm GONNA recognize the person who maybe doesn't want to ask but definitely wants a phone and I know my mom is like out here like she's basically like a standing cardboard figure she would take a photo with like a rock formation. It doesn't matter like you. I will recognize that you maybe want photo. And she's already here. Take the photo. I think. That's very sweet. That's very like functional tomato. I think we an m d resort seems like a sort of safe space for a celebrity. It's like you're going to see them again. You're going to see them again so you can't make it awkward can't make you. It's like why not be nice when I can choose to go to a public resort. You're rich enough to do like a private vacation. If you choose to go to a public resort. It's like okay. You might have to take a few photos again. This is not like a lot of celebrities. Willingly take photos nonstop like somebody stole so true. That's nice next. We'RE GONNA go into questions. Questions Westerns westerns versus high. Who Weekly Gina Gershon? Who are them also everything? She's dating a guy from high maintenance. I'm not really sure I think so. Maybe into it so I love that for them. I love them for that. I love that for them is universal. Who were them? I'M GONNA say one two three who who you're right. I think she's character actor. I think she's character actor. Yeah I definitely. We've done means something to a lot of people but a- beyond like a small bubbles. She is probably a WHO you're right. And so is the high maintenance guy like everyone calls him the Hymie and it's guy and his most care is most the guy that's his character's name as the guy's name Ben Sinclair Oh. I knew that I didn't know his name. I when Lindsay was like Gina. Gershon is dating die maintenance guy to me in a text last week. I was like Lindsey. We texted about this a year ago. Maybe not quite a year ago many months ago because of a friend of ours spotted them or a friend of a friend spot Obama. We were texting about like I think Gina Gershon is dating the high maintenance guy and we were laughing about it. We we knew it got. My memory is shot. We knew it before they. She posted the photo of him. Yes Oh my God yes I thought. We talked about it on the pod. Now we did it because it wasn't like it was it wasn't like they were trying to hide it. They were out of thing publicly. Amer like making out. And someone's like Lindsey Bobby then Sinclair Gina Gershon. Were making out at this party. I was at so cute. Definitely a good couple me like it's a. It's a weird match. He is very to me. Seems like a very horny figure. Just feels like this guy is like going around town being like. Hey Hey hey and Gina Gershon was like. Oh if you'd like some potential rationale for his zoomed warning it's that he co created high maintenance with this woman coach Oblique field and they were a couple who created it they were married and then divorced in two thousand sixteen right right before season two started production and then she came out as lesbian right so right but they're still friends they still make the show. Oh yes they're still they're still friends getting Brooklyn dynamic going on in in. Yeah so it's like okay this this. I was in a relationship with this one for many many years. She's like I'm actually over this like I think I'm over men in general like I think my true might true. Passion is for women and he was like. Oh okay I mean. Obviously there's still very well he'll be like he's like. I'm famous now and I'll be horny. That's fine but it's funny to pivot to a woman who is in movies like a sexy woman who plays like sexy women who fuck but also move. Maybe her CONACO is for being a lesbian. Which is I think. The funniest irony to this also funny. He is thirty five which I thought he was a little bit older. But it's just the mere thought is thirty five screaming and Gina Gershon fifty seven. Okay so what year was she in the sexiest movie. That shivered bound ninety five ninety five ninety six ninety six thousand six hundred sixty six so that was that was thirty. Four that was twenty four years ago. Wait but thirty. Five minus twenty four Benson. Clear was eleven so not so funny. That's pretty funny. Like maybe good so during her sexiest high point he was like preteen yes so he went from a woman who was like. I'm straight I'm straight. I'm straight I'M GONNA. I'm in love with you. I think I'm a lesbian to a woman who was like best known for being a lesbian. Who's like actual Harry white straight straight? That's funny I don't know what that is but that's pretty funny so there's dating if I had to explain the type of actress she is right. Now she's like the kind of person that Murphy would cast you know she likes she. She's rich for that and actually speaking. She's either the kind of person that Ryan Murphy would cast or the kind of actress that would end up on Riverdale. And guess what she's on Riverdale. It's she is she's a vintage but very memorable and the people who know her like have very fond things to think about. What do you mean like she? Yeah yes so. She's on Riverdale. Da this is the good part yesterday. Saying is it all that interesting that they're dating sort of. I mean I guess they like they're cute. They're cute couple at their very Yorkie they party. They're not trying to hide anything. He's on her instagram. Like they're quarantined together. Great so we always talk about like doing one more google right do one more google like find the last thing before you finish doing you know quote unquote research on these topics that you're doing so I was like this is hard to google. Why did one more twitter search because sometimes comical isn't enough and especially for these two because they're not they're not covered enough right there bill? Nye they're going to be started by tabs written exactly what I was. GonNa say just going to be spotted by normal people. Who are tweeting about them and sure enough when you go. I think the best thing that makes him that certifiably makes him a WHO is that. They show up in tweets much more when you search Gina Gershon and high maintenance guy then Gina Gershon at Benson. Claire Claire Very few results Gina. Gershon I mean this guy results. Thirty eight okay. Okay gator. I found the sweet person Mary who land in June of two thousand nineteen. I I based on my quick research. They started dating. They met in the spring of two thousand nineteen. They started dating in the summer of Two Thousand Nineteen K. It sent me to the final tweet in the threat and I was like what and then I clicked the threat socialist woman. Her twitter bio is writer actor comedian. She's in a production. It's like a parody of faceoff called Cajun the park was written up in the New Yorker. Apparently it was like really funny and cute so last summer she was trying to promote it. Apparently and in her attempt to promote it her friend or something paid. Gina Gershon to do a cameo promoting cage off because Gina Gershon was in face off at Real Gina Gershon complaining. I just want you to know what you did wasn't cool at all. My friend ordered a cameo from you and you sent back a video of some guy not even doing the script. I used to be a big fan but now I'm torn then follows up with this tweet. This is not Gina Gershon and yet my friend paid at Real Gina. Gershon for a cameo perhaps not so real at all and the show is on July fourteenth so this person is complaining that she paid Gina. Gershon cold hard cash to make cameo and Gina Gershon sent back video of just some random guy. Click the link for gay. Just want to let you know that Gina Gershon cost one hundred dollars on cameo. That's it's important bit okay. I'm clicking the link. 'cause I turn on my sound yes I think you should go to. Burien faceoff face often experience language. I suppose it's called aging apart ended Sunday July eleventh at prospect park at two and five. Pm feel free to say that. I was in face. The guy is been sinclair. So that's so rude. Because they asked her because she was in face off she was face off right. Yes and then if you click on the next video that I sent you can tell that. She's in the room laughing at his. She S so. She sang that Benson. Clara's her and that she's put on Benson clears phase. Like it's a good bit but the person's like I paid for her to do this because she was in the movie. It's really really funny and gene did not respond to the tweet. Obviously and this person is a comedians. You would would get it but also understand why this person is mad because it's like it face value. Ll she wanted Gina Gershon who was in phase of and recognizable to do a promo for her show. That's based on face off So she could promote her show. That's about face off. That's extremely funny. Mary Hulan. You didn't even know that you were stumbling. Upon brand new news. That Gina Gershon was dating Benson. Claire she actually no because she's she's said she wrote. Please provide proof out real GINA. Gershon has put me through enough as I don't want to provide to. That's really funny and someone was like. Is that the high maintenance maintenance guy yeah okay. I thought that was just so great. Yeah I think this person does get it but doesn't get why she did it in the flag gadget. 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Storms grows the twenty first century. Absolutely have to know different bell. Sorry so I was a big girl. The Twenty First Century Fan. It hit me at the right time. The right age it was right when like maybe the peak of the Disney channel original movie or maybe slightly after the peak or whatever. Our generous right it came out in. It came out in nineteen ninety nine. Oh my God I was thirteen. Of course I love this shit and then it also it also spawned the sequels Zine on the sequel and Theon Z. Three and you'd think we're all the girls in everyone. Yes they were in the equal and they were. They were also in Z. Three this is Kirsten. Storms and Raymond Simona famous of peanut. Butter Sandwich cackle of recent And so I think this is how Kirsten storms had her. Little breakout moment. Pass what she was already known for which was pretty well known that she is a soap star. Does She Hatem Hospital? She was in Zine on twenty-first-century girl iconic song the song from movie. Did you ever see this? I never saw this movie. I never saw this movie i. What was the point of non she was from the twenty first century was so what does he lived in a spaceship late twenty she. It's twenty forty. Nine Zine on is a thirteen year old who lives in a spaceship. She'll suspicion because her parents are like they work on the spaceship and she goes to school on the spaceship with her friends. Right and then rain snow in trouble and her parents like you have to go live on earth with your aunt. And she's like. Oh but guess what she falls in love with a guy named Greg who's played by know who's Palade by Gregory Smith of Everwood fame member Gregory Smith Everwood. He's like honk in Everwood. Oh my God you don't even care. Is there any any one of his credit you would care about? I'm looking at his thing. Hold on always inherit the spy. But I remember that well. And the centerpiece of Zine on was a band space band okay. Called Protozoa and Protozoa sang a song that was kind of iconic and it was called hold on. Tv twin biggest. The point is is that it went like Zoom Zoom Zoom. Like that and then. The point of the movie was that she had to get to the concert so I ended in this triumphant concert K. God it's like explaining like okay. Great what Zena. Okay sounds iconic. It's his name is protozoa and the group was called microbe. Get it was future future. I get it. I get over dealing with microbes right now in our early okay. So storms was after the movie she was. She kept acting on television stuff then then she got a job on days of our lives briefly briefly after which she moved to General Hospital to play the adult version of a character that I've been on general hospital for a really long time Maxie Jones Maxie Jones so we don't talk about soap operas. I know very little about soap operas. But so so after Zine on or she did before and after okay what she still does a very funny thing about soaps which I'm coming to learn and I guess I sort of knew intellectually while such a specific nation. They don't really do. Much wilder constantly filming. Like how did they do things? Tabloids that are dedicated to soap opera digest the characters in the soaps as characters. Not as outside which exactly so the reason you buy soap tabloids as far as I know is to catch up on the subsequent you can sort of reenter at any point right and like and figure. It's sort of like cliff's notes or I don't know short story versions of what what's going on so you can figure out why you can watch. Yes the lead image on the WIKIPEDIA for Maxie Jones. Is Chris Storms Maxie Jones? Because she's the most iconic actor who played Maxie Jones. She was introduced in general hospital as a child. And then now as an adult Robin Richards. Nine hundred ninety three thousand one two thousand to two thousand four Danika Stewart. Two Thousand and two. Because I guess Robin had to leave for a minute. Kristen storms two thousand five to two thousand eleven two thousand twelve to present and then in that one year interim it was Jen Lilley. Then while she was pregnant Molly Burnett and others so it's the best job to have when you need to take a leave absent or if you have to take paternity or maternity leave you know because it's like Oh God I'm going to have to be gone for six months. They got like ashfall their cigarette. They're like we got someone. Don't worry about it last. June is is like. It's so funny to me that so soap operas like part of the. Meme IS THAT. They're so confusing. There just twists and turns. It's hard to keep track of everything or maybe it's not and I'm just thinking that but it's just funny to change up the actual actors faces because I would be like wait. That's not who that was just literally episode. Go but maybe it's very maybe it's a lot easier to follow. Did you ever watch any soaps? Because I watched one for a brief period of time. And I'll tell you which one do you watch hashes. I knew I knew this about my mom. Watch soap sometimes but the only when she watched it was very specific and it was because my parents are teachers so they had summer off so they watch my mom what it was funny because my mom only watched all my children and only some days and only some days and only in the summer but even as a young kid. I realized that like soap operas don't really require any sort of commitment like she only watched it two months out of the year and only some days we like. It was like three days a week to months out of the year because passions like made history and had the first it was the first to show two women in bed together like having sex essentially huge deal. I remember when that happened And this I think this was in two thousand five and then the reason why I watch. Passions was because it was about a witch with a little doll who talked and I was like. Oh this is fun. But then the Di- you played the Dole died and they had to like write him out and they did not write him out well they write a Mel. I'll read it to you on which they did not right amount. Wow Oh I was just like okay. One unfortunate trademark for passions has been Erie deaths in two thousand and two Josh Ryan Evans. Played Tabitha's doll sidekick timmy. He was like GonNa character died while on medical leave just as scenes. Were airing where timmy died. In the hospital and went to heaven. Passions had planned to revive the character in a few months while he was a dull ever. Wants Evan returned from his own surgery. But instead had to write. Timmy out after five. Years of Evil Crane Patriarch Alistair being heard but never seen passions casserole with longtime daytime veteran. David Bailey Bailey was a hit with the caswell defense but on Thanksgiving say two thousand and four. Bailey drowned in a pool. Just as scenes were airing where various characters tried to kill Alistair who actually suffered clinical death before being magically okay. Here's the thing he drove around. You can't really say that somebody dying in real life is is a coincidence with a somebody dying on a show that the soap opera because people die on soap operas like const they die and they come back come back. Yeah Right. It's like saying like we've all seen soapdish creepy right like that. I that is creepy and that is really sad but it is funny that they're like I can't believe this character died when this person died in real life it's like people in soap operas like are always dying like that's literally nothing they come back they come back to live constantly. It only ran for got. This is so funny it only ran. It only ran for sixty nine years. It only ran for nine years but it still had two thousand two hundred thirty one episodes the regular brain. Is You watching Sopranos during quarantine and the it's like I'm GonNa Watch all the passions? How many of you watched well. I'm only on episode eight hundred. I feel like it's pick Never but that's the thing it's okay that's so interesting soap operas were not even made thinking that anyone in the future would ever been joyful show. No is the idea that soap opera show would be like picked up and watched again on streaming is absurd. Because there's too many episodes so just so interesting that like that wasn't even something that they thought about. They're just like okay. We're going to be an everyday show. And that's our thing and we're going to assume that no one's ever gonNA watch these episodes ever against we have to make them ridiculous Well now it's funny because the daytime. Tv thing is now more talk shows like then there were. There were a daytime talk shows. Then but Shubert talk show has taken off in terms of like. That's where you're going to get. You're like a poise advertising coked up people like writing scripts all day for the stuff you know like you just need to throw Meghan McCain in a room with Joy Behar Mike Open the gates right and then you can put your ads for like diarrhea. Medics and like I YOU DIS and every pharmaceutical companies like. Oh my God if I see another look to to add I'M GONNA lose my mind then. I maybe need to take a tutor but I know one I hate is just because I feel like that word should not exist sell dance. Zell Jen's ex SAR. There's also one that sounds like my name. Have you seen the one? That sounds like Lindsey. It's like Linda Linda Linda Ns Lizanne. It's like Lindsey S. Lynn says. I'm like what and then it's like a loon. This is for like diarrhea bs to your doctor and say yes to Linz S yes. Linda's treat adults with IBS with constipation for chronic constipation. It's like they're like what is a word that doesn't sound like Poopie. Let's work backwards. And they all the and then they make all the what's the moment the Turkey antics and it's like chances is such a scary drug or smoking. That's the one where you kill someone. But you also chanted recife. Experts antics are horrific. They're just naming off all of these horrifying side effects while a Turkey is literally operating a leaf blower stops antics and get help right away of changes in behavior thinking aggression hostility depressed mood suicidal thoughts or actions seizures nor worse. Burger blood vessel problems sleepwalking. Or life threatening allergic skin reactions anyways. Who's an and people are gonNA call in them's of TV pharmaceuticals? Don't fuck endure anyways. Now Chris Chris Lawrence was up to. She's posting coffee means on our INSTAGRAM sprite. So this is where we're going. I was selling Linzie because we get here so we now that we're done talking about passions and Timmy. The the talking doll living doll. Okay are all repeat that Guy I. It's so funny to me that I love when a celebrity is just like just working and successful and norm and they just and she's just you know she's home. She's a little older than we are. She's got a kid she's got a good job she's in quarantine and she loves to knit and she loves coffee she loves she loves copy and she's selling clothes she's selling. She has a podcast while she is she was just on a podcast on. Podcasts was on the gay pies understands her audience. She understands her audience. I love this. This mean that she posted spoke lives for General Hospital in the most elsom. Meam is about yarn in case nobody told you today. You're beautiful and you deserve unlimited yarn and this one which I and this that doesn't make any sense. It's sort of like the. Us kind smart. You is important. But it's like you was kind. He was important and you deserve yarn. These are just yarn. Things just yarn anything. Maybe by Arne things then. There's this WanNa hear a joke DECAF. That's good one thing. You've she's been doing the yarn thing for a long time. She's been Yardeni and she loves Harlan Cohen. Every time a new Harland. Coburn book comes out. She takes US healthy with it. Which I find really really nice. You're right it's like it's nice to be remembered for it's nice to be remembered fondly and still working in a niche so it's like she has a millennial thing where millennials lover from xenon that was like truly a popular thing. It's maybe you don't you didn't watch it but but I I knew about her. She was then she has this like General Hospital work. That never seems to go away easy to be on like you know you show up. Yeah maybe a will end though I feel like I like soaps are not going to stand the test. Now they did you read their like during the running out of episodes. They're almost like they've reached the end of their bank. Oh God I'm like nervous. Yeah I mean every industry every industry click beep beep because look. This is proof that she's doing well. Click that red says beep beep. Where are you looking at the bottom between her underneath her? Harlan Copen INSTAGRAM's. Okay let me click proof that she's in a perfect place. Oh she's doing promo for fabulous. She got the bucks great in Red Bull Nice box. I like taking the time to point on a child star. Who is like absolutely okay? As far as we can tell okay so by now we as a nation have heard about Andy. Macdowell breaking and entering into a park and La. So I did a little digging. I live in La. And I was like oh I wonder what part she was breaking and entering into. I bet it was running or something like everyone does and this park is closed. That's regional park is in Montecito heights which is like east. La like near Pasadena. And I was like Oh. That's so weird. Like people like celebrities especially not usually go to the east side of La. 'cause that's pretty far from like Beverly Hills Hollywood and I was like oh. I wonder where India McDowell Livingston in La like maybe. This is her clothes parking. If she does live on the East set. That is pretty cool. 'cause the is like a wake. What part of town? Then Y- west side is so. Nfl does not live on the east side. Intel and Marina del Rey which is right on the beach other famous residents of Marina Del Rey and crew Tina Shave from vanderbilt rules and so basically in Dallas roof fifteen to sixteen miles conservatively to break and enter into this park. Which is I? Don't really fascinating to me like. I bet she did it because she didn't think she was. GonNa get off for this like an under the radar park. So yeah the like. This is as devious. Move on any McDowell's parts crunch crunch when you break it down like that is it. Because her daughter's live closer. That like the daughters would live in a cool part of town. So because if you remember Margaret Qualley was quarantining quote unquote with you Yeah I mean I don't know what quarantine means one minute. Gerber the other minute. She's breaking into a park with her mom. Don't give a fuck about any type of rule. I'm telling you this is like some. This is some celebrity shit they did not care about any rule and felt like shaming. Andie macdowell making her feel. Whatever it's just like you clearly do not give a shit about anything right as an OG END. And he dowels. Stan that's jacked up. Yeah it is and then to. It's like she lied about. According to jared I didn't see this but a Jared any McDowell seemingly response to photos crawling. The photos are extremely funny. 'cause she's like it's maybe ten inches of twelve inches. Max that she's crawling underneath this gate that trying to prevent people from going into the park and the dog the tiny little chihuahuas just there like like wants to die like got on there. Are these funny photos. And so people sat enemy towel sneaks into this breaks into a park to walk her dog with her daughters. Margaret and rain equality than Andy Winter. Instagram and said both my girls are in. Montana they are not in La. And then I guess people were like Andy. We have photos of you and your daughter's crawling out of the spark and the g deleted the post and also literally rainy wearing a sweatshirt that says Kaya and has picture of Kaya Gerber on it like a Kaya Gerber merch. She's wearing very the whole thing is like so twisted but also just like we wouldn't care unless there are literally like do not only. Don't go to this park. It's closed and don't encourage people to go like the whole point got to suck it up and make an example for other people and also the other thing was like to be running around town this side to side whatever. The whole thing is frustrating to us. It's annoying. It's really frustrating. But the photos are extremely funny We just we loved your video of self isolating and being at home and just drinking wine and having a good time to do that was so recent. And now she's on your breaking into parks against the against the recommendations and the rules whatever I think we're going to be. I think we're going to call this episode. It's over. We have a really good call. You're doing amazing sweetie just one this week but you should listen because it's funny really really good creativity on display on this call. Thank you for listening to. Who's there are weekly call on podcast calling at six nine? Who Them if you have questions comments concerns reports on Patrick dot com slash weekly. 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Forbidden Love: The Honor Killing of Jassi Sidhu

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53:57 min | 2 years ago

Forbidden Love: The Honor Killing of Jassi Sidhu

"True Crime Brewery contains disturbing content related to real life crimes. Medical Information is opinion based on facts of a crime and should not be interpreted as medical advice or treatment listener discretion is advised chasse winter or city or Jesse was born in Canada. Jesse's home was Maple Ridge a suburban community. Not an hour's drive from Vancouver hers was always a conservative family observant of the seek religion and Punjabi culture selecting in close. She wasn't really into the Western culture at all. She was kept away from all the wrong things. Could she freely sort of go out with her friends and things like that was prohibited. She will unlock to do that. She was never allowed to date in high school. She wasn't allowed to go out by herself. She certainly couldn't go to a nightclub with girlfriends. She did go out somewhere. She was usually accompanied by another family member. She didn't have freedom like we have Josse. He was chafing at the restrictions and the domination of her male cousins and her uncle Sir Jeet. She hated the control. They had choice felt that they were following her or spying on Her v began a secret romance he'd grow under her window with night. They'd whisper and touch hands. Her family could no nothing of their stolen moments nineteen in love for the very first time but she understood this was forbidden love me to a year a younger would never be a suitable match his job driving a rickshaw taxi was considered undignified he might be charismatic and athletic but he had no property and no Wellesz jazzy cared about none of that and before she returned to Canada she vowed one day. They'd be together. She sent me to was her destiny. Welcome to true crime burr vitae grabbers. I'm Jill and I'm Dick. Jesse core sued who was born into a family where women are second class citizens. Men are in charge of family. Honor and women are blamed if they do anything to tarnish it. Her birth wasn't officially registered by her parents until she was over a year old and that's because their parents were much more focused on her brother. Jesse's mother Mel Kate Core and Father Dr Singh Sing were part of a group who moved from the Pun Jobs Dover region of India to the Canadian west coast they settled in the Frazier Valley and began farming and did pretty well. Jesse's Uncle Surjit Singh Padeshah was was the end disputed head of the family. He decided that the family would pull their resources to buy about nine acres of land and operate a blueberry farm. It was a success and they actually made millions of dollars as she grew up. Jesse's life was simple simple it basically revolved around school prayers and household chores and she would be auctioned off to the highest bidder for marriage that was the plan but Jesse fell in love with the Kabbadi player and sometime rickshaw driver they married secretly and win her family found out they hired hit-men join us at the quiet end for the case of the honor killing of Jesse City you her only crime was love and her punishment was a brutal death so the crime itself took place in India which means I get to do an Indian beer for the first time I would guess for his time ever all right so I picked what probably is the National Bureau of India Kingfisher Kingfisher premium premium lager. It's a European Pale lager four point eight percent alcohol now. I'll just say Verandah. France is a pretty crummy beer okay but it will do the job. If you want to quench you thirst. That's that's fine but it's it's not particularly tasty all right. What would you compare it to o of those lagers like Budweiser things like that probably corona not much there so in this one I mean it's not bad looking skipped a nice amber colour some head to it? A little bit of lacing is just basically not much aroma Bogota sweet malt which translates when you tasted in sweetcorn maybe some mm faint hops presents some grassy hops type of thing and again the the best I can say about this is that it will quench your thirst so if you're gonNA sit down and have a nice curry dish or something like that. This is a beauty drink. It sounds good. Let's open it up Okeydoke all right. Why don't you follow me down here to the quiet end? This is our first autre killing we've covered so I think we have some interesting discussions ahead of us. Oh we do and he said the episode is concerning an honor killing so before we discussed the actual crime. Let's define what an honor killing is is so the Human Rights Watch that organization defines an honor killing as follows honor killings are axe inventions usually death committed by family members against female family members who or hell to have brought dishonor upon the family so women can be targeted by individuals within her family for a variety of reasons including refusing to enter into an arranged marriage being the victim a sexual son and that's something that is interesting to me. She's the victim net the perpetrator but that brings decider issue but she must have been doing something to encourage the rape. That's awful yeah seeking a divorce the reason for an honor killing even from an abusive husband or even committing adultery and that can be allegedly committing or actually been found have been committing adultery so what you're saying. They're not waiting around for proof roof of anything. No no no the Mir perception that a woman has behaved in a way that designer's family is sufficient to trigger an attack on her life. Well sure because it's all about the perception right right. It's not really about what's happening. It's about how they look to the outside world so the family is perceived ray and there's no kind of honor killings against men when they do things that the family looks bad for no because it's male interesting so honor killings are usually associated with Middle East but they occur worldwide incidents is difficult to determine United Nations estimates at five thousand women are victims of honor killings each year and and this is almost certainly an underestimate so you think sometimes they make it look like an accident or some countries don't do anything about it. There's ways to cover it up or mislabeled it just as an example the northern India state of Punjab and that's where Jesse and her husband came from has had pretty large number of honor killings were thirty four reported in the state in the years between two thousand eight in two thousand ten so the majority of Punjabis Abuser Seeks Sikhism is one of the younger religions. It's a traditional patriarchal religion emphasizes meditation on the words found in six scripture secular life in spiritual life are intertwined. Sikhism states at no religion has a monopoly an absolute truth seeks believe in the divine unity and equality of all persons of that sounds Nice but they certainly don't believe in the equality between men and women right but they don't really believe in honor killings either right. It's not a religious thing. It's more of a cultural situation. No I guess I've sort of give that impression. No seek sir not anymore involved in honor killings than other religions but it is Sikhism as a major way of life in Punjab. So how does it crossover with the culture of honor killings. Well things are so ingrained into social life even though they espouse a religion of equality for a person's that's not the same as being equality for both men and women just wondered cowardice into known as Jesse was born August fourth nineteen seventy five in Canada uh her parents now yet cower and Buck Tower sing emigrated from Punjab and settled in British Columbia. She's part of a large family. Her uncle who surjit Singh Padeshah and he was the undisputed disputed head of Jesse's clan now I was he the head and not her father well. Her father unfortunately suffered from mental illness pretty much incapacitated him book. I read said he was diagnosed. With schizophrenia and either he was mad from schizophrenia or he was so sedated on his medication that he was incapable of doing anything so the uncle was Jesse's mom's brother who her maternal uncle and he was running things he ran the show okay so he's the one that thought it would be would be best for the whole family the extended family to be living together so he overcame some opposition from other family members but he built a twenty five room nineteen bathroom house with six kitchens yeah. I guess I wouldn't call it a house exactly would you compound compound the state something compound sounds good okay yeah and this is you mentioned in in the prelude that they put several beverly acres of land and began farming and quite successful yes so the family they were all traditional seeks and they restrict when again erasing females so Jesse was not allowed to take take part in after school activities or sports no sleepovers and particularly any activity evolving boys she was ever the compliant daughter and obeyed all the rules until she fell in love says so she does kind of an average student but she did all that she needed to do and she knew she wouldn't be going to college. There was no question her. She's she's a woman she's secondary so when she finished high school Jesse took a job as a beautician person at the peaches and cream beauty parlor so she wanted to go to beauty school right she was expected to work and contribute to the family with her income and her brother would driver to and from work each day and when she got a paycheck it was deposited into a common family account so no independence there whatsoever no she was kind of like a teenager in in that shoes given an allowance Sushi's earning money it's going to the common household fund and she gets a small spy tend to do what she wanted more more or less so it went age. Did they start thinking about marrying her off. Usually mid to late teens. She finished high school shoes around sixteen or Seventeen says she was at the age where the topic of marriage was coming up and families but hold parties where the daughter would be the centerpiece and family members would keep an eye out for prospective husbands so it was becoming clear to Jesse not that her husband would be of the same cast in the same or higher socioeconomic class. It also became clear that for a variety of reasons there were no suitable candidates in western Canada so they moved the hunt over to punch up the husband searched right now this this whole thing the cast head largely been done away with but old habits die hard and you can kind of equated with socioeconomic comic status so the the poor laborers were lower caste than the businessmen and so on and there was also some prejudice to color as well right the darker skin certainly was yeah when the early eighties Pun job had been the epicenter for some seek groups that were attempting to establish an independent nation called Palistan so in June of nineteen eighty four the prime minister ordered the Indian army to battle the insurgents and that was a a fight that led to a Lotta deaths so in late nineteen eighty-four Gandhi was assassinated by her seek bodyguards which led to a series of anti-sikh riots so most seeks ignored attempts to incite violence and. The fighting had died down by the mid nineties but that unfortunately it was replaced by a lot of corruption bribery. What I did when is booking through this in researching night? I really compressed it. There's certainly a lot more to it than we talked about but it doesn't have really anything to do with the murder of Jesse so bit still there was a lot of racial or religious prejudice. Let a battles and as as you said corruption bribery so the reason why they moved to Canada were looking for a better life it would be better in terms of safety for them and it would be better economically so before they moved to Canada. They weren't wealthy by Indian standards. They were wealthy by North American standards. They weren't so Jesse got her family to take her to India and that's where they were looking for a husband for her right. They were GONNA be moving to India temporarily anyway <hes> with the purpose of finding a mate for Jesse who would be able to emigrate to Canada with them that was the idea so this was nineteen ninety four and it was it was her mother and uncles idea to move to Punjab Jesse's idea it wasn't the whole family because a lot of them had to stay behind managed the family business right right so it's December nineteen ninety before and Jesse's in India she meets a man named sue quander seeing seed who and his his nickname is metoo. Some metoo in some friends were there. They were celebrating his Kabbadi team winning tournament so what's Kabbadi. That's kind of like football. Kinda like football kinda like tag. It's a state sport in India. Kind of rough can be can be rough involves. These two teams is in <hes> attacking team. One of the attacking team has to run into the defenders team tag as many people as he can an escape without being tackled or something like that again can be rough but it can be fairly lucrative so at that point me to head one ten thousand rupees which was about two hundred dollars in U._S.. Money any wanted to buy some clothes for his mother and for himself because he was pretty poor growing up we was so he made his purchases and he and his friends were waiting leading to board a Maruta which is a motorized bike with a cart back to their village and that's when he saw Jesse that she was really something from the beginning when I was reading about the pros was a lot more flowery she looks at him. He looks at her and this instant attraction well. This is his version of it. This is his version tasks. He's romanticized it which is understandable quite a bit yeah so they they were boarding hurting or getting on the same bus the same Maruta she was with a girlfriend and he metoo with a couple of friends couple of Kabbadi fence and they were riding back to his village on the same vehicle so they get on and and he sits right opposite her this kind of staring at her. He's just like like you said is smitten yeah right from the beginning just wants to look at her and she said no experience with dating or anything hang of course she hasn't dated and she's just barely gotten into the rituals of being displayed for marriage yeah yeah and she wasn't thrilled about that. No she was in a sense to modern for family she she wasn't going to go along with it or were she was it was going to be per her request. Not what her family wanted. She had these insane idea marrying for love okay so when they arrived at me twos village they hadn't spoken at all but she wrote something on a piece of tissue and gave it to her friend who gave it to meet US friend who who then gave it to meet you cut school well yeah so when he opened it he saw that was a heart with an Arrow through it so I guess the feeling was mutual. According to his recollections yes so later on when he was pumping water outdoors he saw Jesse again and she was trying to kick start a scooter so that was his opportunity. He walked over to her and he saw that the whole thing was just a pretense. She didn't have the ignition but non she was just trying to get his attention so he managed to get her name and collected did another piece of tissue before he started the scooter for her and as she drove off he opened the tissue and Jesse had written. I love you whoa that's so fast. See again like I said when doing the research on this. I'm sure that a lot of this is romanticized by me too yeah but still they hadn't even spoken and she said she loved him there. There is met they shared a ride back to the village and they're in love okay well. I'm just GONNA take their word for it because they felt that way but it seems not like the strongest basis to get married on no you'll see that it wasn't a spur of the moon thing this went on for a few years before for they actually did Mary Ann had tragedy. Befall them so it's not like I love you. Yes dear I love you and that's it. They never see each other again. Well so a friend of Jesse's arranged for her in me to meet and being together for the first time just cemented they love but after that meeting she returned to Canada in me through didn't hear anything from her. He didn't know her phone number or address you just newer name and her friend who had arranged the meeting a gun away so he really had no way to contact her yeah so it was at that point when metoo tried to just throw himself into his work he said I'm GonNa Forget about her and work really hard and make money so he wasn't just making money as an athlete would do rickshaw driving did farming okay so those farmers would put intend fourteen hours a day in the field work and he would do this six seven days a week can use really trying to forget about well plus. He probably needed to make a lot of money to try and help out his mother and you had a mother and a brother younger brother so it took about another four weeks but he did receive a letter from her and when he was really ruled with that he was Cassini he realized that she did love him and wanted to be together so they started writing every day or almost every day and they're trying to make arrangements for me to to travel a candidate because he would need a visa. Jesse was working from her end in Canada. Try to encourage that process those she was so eager to get him over to Canada that she paid a man in Toronto Rhino Five Thousand Dollars to bring me to Canada and this turned out to be a scam and she never saw that money again well. I wonder how she even came up with that money because she was turning our paychecks over to her family. She working extra why it's an interesting discussion possess. There's a lot of money not just for this but in future things where she travels to India is paying money to help expedite his immigration to to Canada is a fair amount of money changing hands and it's tough for me to figure out where that trail of money comes from I know she borrowed money from some friends and maybe she was not reporting all her money to her uncle for the got family account. Maybe she kept some skimmed it a little bit. Maybe she didn't spend any euro bounce. I don't know where they got the five thousand where she got the five thousand dollars okay well. I mean that just goes to show us how important this less to her anyway who was 'cause she wasn't wealthy now. She should come from a wealthy family but she didn't have money now. So for the next four years was it that long <hes> they did right back and forth so they did get to know each other more more than just how they looked and being attracted to one another right they did letters in they finally got phone numbers arranged so they could talk on the phone and they were just working towards the time that could be together permanently so that was the plan all along it became the plan yes and there was always an undertone of urgency though because Jesse's family was continuing to look for a husband for her and then she would be in quite a bad situation where you're because because you know way. They're going to let her marry me to write so while they're speaking of tradition and searching for a mate for Jesse. The bottom line was probably money really it was I mean they wanted on it to increase their wealth and the best way to do that would be to Mary. U._F._T.'s attractive young woman to a wealthy individual so her uncle was in charge of the family finances and you're in his biggest criteria area for the husband for Jesse was that he would have a lot of money. That's pretty much all that mattered. He wasn't concerned about how she would be treated or how she would feel about this man none of that no no the bottom line was who's is going to bring in the most money so he's really not a very nice man this uncle he certainly isn't now. He's a horrible person. So Jesse came up with an idea and she said she told her family. She didn't like any of the modern Canadian boys she wanted to to return to India in Marion Indian boy so her family agreed to that and in February of nineteen ninety nine so it's been four and a half years since she met me to she made plans to return to India but of course in her mind. She just wants to get to meet you right. She has no intention of participating in any ceremony to try to find a made for her. She wants to get back there and be with me to since she's being pretty tricky. That's pretty smart. She was although this is just a whole dangerous thing to do. I mean these people were serious or uncle her mother other adults as well. They aren't joking around about this. No you don't go against their wishes wishes yeah and I think that the people that Jesse worked with the beauty parlour didn't really get how serious it was in the beginning that she actually was afraid of being killed by her family members in his Western people how even wrap your mind around that you can't who would imagine that you could be killed for marrying the wrong person well by your mother your uncle people who are supposed to love you right. It's really hard to imagine to hold different way of thinking game so when she went back again to India to Punjab there's a lot of upheaval going some rival seek factions fighting each other so there's police in soldiers all over the place they're patrolling the streets towns villages and particularly the churches are the temples called good wireless so there's a little bit of fear or maybe a lot of fear for chassis safety yeah me too was afraid she might get hurt such take take his mind off these troubles. He was focusing his attention back to his sport Kabbadi in his games coincided with the international commodity tournament the low teacup so maybe he was inspired by the level of play there era because his team advanced to the finals of their tournament and when he returned to his house he said Jesse standing on the roof of a neighbor's house. This is quite a dramatic scene okay in the book here he is. He's when the semi final game he's all stoked because going to be a final series of fairly lucrative pay off if they win. He's really fired up and he gets to his house near on the roof of the house. Next door is his beloved okay okay now. The House actually belong to her family some family members that's why she was there and it was surrounded by a wall that had a window cut into it and this was the place this window where Jesse me to would meet nightly at the first visit chassis introduced me to an antifreeze and she was going to serve as go between this is a woman who has sympathetic to Jesse and was going to try to help the two lovers out so what she did. She told me to to get some sleeping medication and whence she had that she would administer it to the household members they'd all fall asleep in this would allow him to spend time with Jesse without interruption. That's a bolt enough certainly isn't I don't know how much of this factual but that's that's the story that we're GONNA drug family members. They'll be knocked out and you guys can be together so this has a lot of Romeo. Mute and Juliet to it doesn't it frigging same thing so metoo told Jesse about the Kabbadi final the next day and for some reason she was frightened at the thought of him traveling and begged him to stay home so the next day a he pretended to be sick and didn't accompany his team to the final match but they lost probably because he wasn't there in his teammates. Were really mad at him that he had missed that match he was the star of his team and they didn't stand much chance without him so it's interesting to me he he really was into the sport both because he liked it and because it was financially rewarding and he was easily talked out of it by his girlfriend well yeah yeah because he's madly in love with her. You're so so metoo went to see a friend of his who was a pharmacist and he got some valium. In over the next few nights. Jesse's aunt tight traded the dose of volume and soon Jesse in Metoo. Were we're able to spend the nights together because everybody was knocked out pretty clever yeah and even with it I mean the aunt would still stay up outside the door of the bedroom would alert them if there's anything going on but still they had <hes> quiet night under two erupted. Didn't they realize the ant and Jesse that if they were caught it could be life or death. It was a dangerous game. They were playing. You're right dress yeah. One of the sedated family members had woken up boy. I'll how a break loose I would guess so and by the third week of doing this the dosage of Valium began to be insufficient I guess because they were getting a whether getting pretty much daily dose and became tolerant to it yeah so Jesse's mother walked into the bedroom one night when she heard Jesse and metoo whispering now metoo took off hoping that the mother had recognized him but Jesse's uncle surge eat and another relative Darshan Singh patrolled the village for the next several days searching for this man who had been in Jesse's bedroom but they didn't know it was hit the they did not they might have had an idea who was but they had no proof so what was Jesse telling her mom she's told him on that she must have been dreaming. Okay all right so media returned to his pharmacists friend and got more doses of Valium in this solve the problem for a little while Oh so one night though a relative who'd been patrolling the grounds sign me too is he jumped over the wall running away metoo did escape without being recognized but this put an end to the whole Operation Valium as they called it. This is too close close calls within a week or so yeah that's not smart and if they had caught him he would have been killed and possibly her possibly her to to she would have bret would have brought dishonor on the family so so yeah. I guess guess wiser heads prevailed. They said well that's it. We won't do it that way so but then we came up with kind of a new idea mid-march me to follow Jesse when she was traveling to another village Code Jagger on he met up with her in the marketplace and she told him she's going to visit a friend in Ludhiana and wanted him to meter there 'cause she said we're GONNA get married. These crazy kits value so her wedding is perhaps the single most important event in hundred girl's life. Well pretty much most girls for that matter less. Now I guess than before but it's a big deal and Punjab weddings are elaborate affairs and their comprised of many rituals that are designed to recognize family members Chris and ensure an orderly exchange gifts as well so jesse and metoo counted eighteen rituals in a typical Punjabi wedding but their wedding was going to be more modest kind of a strip down type of deal they plan their wedding while Metoo was having his first ever pizza Jesse introduces into pizza and the hamburgers and his descriptions of them are funny so he'd only had like traditional Indian food before your he'd never had any of this western stuff yeah well pizzas always good yeah so on March Fifteenth Nineteen Ninety Nine Jesse in Metoo were married in a local temple that and it was officiated by a drunken priest and after the ceremony the Prese gave me to a paper that detailed their ceremony two days later they did get a marriage license and they spent their wedding night in a hotel in the city of Chandigarh then returned to Louisiana in the morning there her friend was very nervous. Jesse's mother was becoming very suspicious and it was important for her to return to the family compound as soon as possible. Her family had other suitors arriving for her and if nothing worked out they were going to take her back to Canada the following week and she'd be separated from me too because he can't come to Canada now yet. He doesn't have the visa so operation. Valium was started back backup for the next two weeks resort to that because there was no other way for them to be together. It did work full dangerous though to be drugging people have to say so the next two weeks Jesse in me to were able to be together at night then in early April Jesse announced that she had to return to Canada there were other suitors for her to interview so she told me to that she would apply for visa for him and hopefully they would be together in Canada now. The next several months were not good for me to he and Jesse communicated on a daily basis but he was getting really frustrated over the length of time it was taking for his visa to be obtained and he started drinking heavily as miserable Izzy was does Jesse was just as maybe even more visceral. Her family was convinced that something was going on well yeah 'cause she. Just none of the suitors were acceptable to her and they they got the impression that her mind was made up. There is no way they were gonna find anyone for her. I see so they're thinking Oh. Something's going on here so they're keeping closer eye on her than ever right plus. They have those incidents from India where me too is almost cut being with Jesse so they they have a pretty good clue that there's some funky stuff going on. Her uncle was exerting more and more control over her he was also in a controversy over Nanak SAR Gurdwaras Laura the temple he had helped to build a now managed yet this this was the temple in British Columbia. Her uncle was the driving force in the building. The temple in British Columbia and there is some some controversy over it. The leader of the Temple of the grantee of the priest was supposedly having sex with underage women so there's a lot of turmoil in that which probably made uncle more crabby okay more of a miserable bastard really does he was a miserable human being <hes> but also meet his mother was become suspicious she had bumped into the wife of the priest who had performed the marriage ceremony for me to Jesse and the woman had congratulated her on the marriage of her son then she also heard the same thing from other people who heard me to crying about the situation while he was drunk now. How did his mother feel about it though she wouldn't can have the same feeling as Jesse's family no probably would have accepted Jesse? She did should matter and was thrilled no she she would be fine. She was just wondering why he hadn't told her yeah and then she must has been worried about him and that kind of situation she would come to word yes yeah and they live in a small village and nobody has secrets there. I see yeah yeah so it was almost inevitable. That word was going to get out yeah. It was in January of two thousand when Jesse's family found out that me to Jesse were married and they were outraged so they tried to to invalidate the marriage. They was pointed out that Metoo was of a lower class and possibly also distantly related to Jesse same surname seed who yeah so this is. It's a common surname but there was some evidence that maybe there's some relation somewhere so he you can't marry a relative. Even if it's the third cousin twice removed or something like that okay so her family picture up one day at her job and took your home and they beat the hell out of her they did so they were punishing her should be locked her in her room. They didn't feed her the cutoff or contact with people outside the family and I took her passport away so this could the illegal in candidate do this because Jesse's an adult but they did it and they offered her money to divorce metoo which she refused to do so she's a brave young woman. I mean kind of stupidly brave going away because she's GonNa get herself killed here but she's very brave. She's standing up for her love of metoo right so when they finally realized that she wasn't going to agree to any any stipulations of pet divorcing forcing him they decided then okay we'll move to plan B.. We'll get rid of the husband which means Kelham right so the first thing they did was said to told her that they had reconsidered everything in her uncle. Surge was GONNA go to India and make arrangements to bring me to Canada before he did that though they want her to sign a document which they said would facilitate me through trip to Canada the document was written in Punjabi and Jesse did not I understand it but she signed it because her mother told her that it would help says she believed them. I'm surprised she did I. I am too because I'd be very suspicious that all of a sudden they do complete about face Jason say yeah we'll figure this out and we'll try to get your husband to Canada yes so her uncle and some relatives arrived at me to his home and they tried to convince him to Divorce Jesse now. This didn't work. He said I know right so surjit went to local police and he showed them the document that she had signed in Canada and documents said that metoo had kidnapped Jesse and forced her to sign the marriage documents and had suggested didn't actually stated suggested that Metoo had rape chassis so the police go to arrest him areas committed a crime so they couldn't find him but they arrested his mother his brother and his friends now. Why did they arrest them? I don't get it. They were parties to them <hes> so they were harboring fugitives and it's mostly a way to get him to come forward so there's a lot of corruption. They're like we said earlier yeah so without hearing hearing her side of the story Metoo was pretty angry with Jesse because he didn't understand she'd been tricked your he for his. She's betrayed him right which you wouldn't blame her if she did really because she's in trouble but he did come down when he was able to to speak with her Jesse managed to sneak out of her family compound and she went to a notary public dictated a letter that rejected the claims on the document that she'd signed and it said that she wanted no harm to come to me to then she facts the letter to a friend of Youtube who took it to their local police station. The Senior Superintendent of the police ordered the release of meters relatives and friends but Jesse's uncle insisted that Jesse's letter was not a fake and that that I get newletter so Jesse's uncle insisted that this new letter that she'd faxed over was a fake and the charges were continued against me to for kidnapping thing and raping her right now then Jesse came up with what I thought it was a pretty novel idea she could get India so while the police are searching for me to Jesse had a friend who had called the Royal Canadian Mounted Police say they I heard a woman being beaten and screaming for help and that actually worked the I._C._M._p.. Came to the House of the compound and took Jesse out she went into hiding it a friend's house and while there she began making plans to travel India so early April of two thousand she called me to tell him that she was ready to travel to India and four days later she left then after some delays she arrived in India and the twelfth of April and had a really nice. Three Union with me to they were just thrilled to see each other but it was emotional because they knew they were in trouble the new they're in trouble but there is so happy seeing each other again writing when they were thinking the real possibility that they wouldn't exactly yeah and the day after that Jesse met her mother-in-law meatiest Ma and she need to begin to make plans to get the charges against metoo dropped they went before a judge and he granted their requests. He then suggested they appear before a magistrate to get the case dismissed once and for all and that night Jesse and meet you celebrated their marriage at a party in his hometown so his people are on board with this who certainly are and because they're the lower class people people there. I guess I didn't think of it that way but yeah and it's to step up for him right well and I'm not saying because it was a step up. I'm just saying they were more accepting of her because they didn't think that you know certain people are better than other people so this was all under the watchful eye though of a relative of Jesse's Darshan Singh who was actually on the roof of a mansion next door to the party your they're they're meeting house. Were were Jesse. metoo would get together operation valium the uncle Darshan would stand on the roof and watch. He's the one who almost cut me to escaping from the compound right yeah he was really involved in this and who's going to be deeply involved in the murder okay so after the celebration at his mother's me to Jesse traveled to his maternal uncle's house and that was in the village of Nike. I know my pronunciations are going to be off but I'm trying my best so wedding celebrations continued but there was a feeling of watchfulness due to the threats from Jesse side of the family and after a few days Jesse metoo traveled to Jaggery Algerian. I know him saying that wrong. I think that's close enough okay to get their case dismissed so they met with someone named Jessica and sing who was the senior superintendent of the police and they explain the situation shit he asked them some questions and they answered them and then it seemed that the issue was resolved. Jesse and Metoo then went to spend the next couple of days in a hotel where they had stayed the night of their wedding and the also got to spend some time sightseeing sight seeing but of course they were always on the alert for members of Jesse's family to show up or one. I was always open yeah. They had a meeting scheduled on June twenty four th two thousand at the Canadian consulate in New Delhi to finalize a trip for both of them to go to Canada but they wouldn't be able to keep that appointment. No media called his mother to tell her they were coming for a visit but she was hysterical. Screaming that men with guns were patrolling patrolling the village looking for me to now because of that they didn't visit me to smother instead they traveled to his uncle's in different region Nariaki so everyone was unedu- expecting violence and it seemed proper Robert Throw another party and take people's minds off of these troubles in just before this party Jesse's mother called she had somehow gotten the phone number and she told Jesse all was forgiven. She just wanted Jesse to come home and when she spoke with me to she offered him ten thousand dollars in Canadian money to leave Jesse is not really accepting it no she's. She's telling her daughter. We love you want you home but she still trying to get. This husband is new husband out of the picture right so that same evening Jesse wanted me to take her for a ride on the scooter and they traveled around and then went home to the uncle's house. That's me musicals house in on the way they're they were ambushed by four men. Media was struck with sticks in a sword and left for dead Jesse was driven away me to somehow made his way to his uncle's house and from there to a hospital bill and he was in the hospital for almost a month yeah now the plan was for them the attackers the plan is for them to kill me too and Jesse would survive and she eventually go home so what happened with that well they were holding her in a farmhouse and they they talked to Jesse's mother and I guess she spoke with Jesse instead. You kind of final offer and chassis wouldn't give up me too so the mother said to the hostage holders. She's yours. Do whatever you want with her. Let the mother thinks that was dead or did. She know he'd survived. She wasn't sure that's pretty a strange to me if she thought she could just get away with killing him and then bring her back. Why wouldn't you do that? Why would she order her daughter to be killed? Is this word the whole honor thing comes into places. The whole unearthing yeah and Jesse said that she maybe she would come home but she would not adhere to the arranged marriage well because the the uncle had someone setup for by that time didn't he he had a sixty year old guy wealthy guy yeah who would have been really lucrative to the family but he's like forty years older than Jesse and he could be her grandfather. That's pretty sick yep so metoo was in the hospital for about a month and when he was discharged he met with an inspector who told him what had happened. The plot had been conceived in Canada by Jesse's mom and her uncle the lead man in India was Darshan Singh he hired a crooked cop named Joe gained her sing and he would investigate the crime and close it for lack of evidence seeing hired four men to carry out this attack. The inspector said all involved had been arrested saved for Jesse's mother and uncle who were Beck in Canada and Jesse had been taken to farmhouse by the attackers and she was actually raped repeatedly before they slit her throat and killed her then her body was found in a drainage ditch. You know the inspector pursued the case pretty aggressively boy he's four men were arrested quickly as with star Shan saying and there are a few other people that were arrested and being involved in the crime. Did they trace it back to the uncle and the mother while the people said that they we were hired by those guys I was under the impression that a lot of it was on phone records certainly the headphone records and that's what got them to these men and then the men gave up the uncle and the mom right okay so the for men <music> who were involved in the actual killing and and Darshan Singh were tried and convicted and sentenced to life in prison saying appealed his conviction and he got acquitted in a retrial so this is a whole different justice system yep yeah then in two thousand eight. He was granted permanent residency in Canada because he had lied about his criminal background on his immigration application. Now this history was eventually revealed and Dash and sing was declared inadmissible in Canada so he's deported basically say's not imprison but he's not allowed back in Canada not GonNa get to Canada but even after me to lost Jesse which of course was tragic. He continued to have troubles two thousand four he was arrested and charged with raping a woman and he was convicted imprisoned for nearly four years. He was finally released. After Vancouver newspaper publisher put out a series of articles feels about me to this was Harvinder Singh Suak yes. He's one of the authors of the book will mention that will give a proper plug for that at the end okay so the woman that need to was accused of raping as well as her sister who cooperated her story did recant their story and say that they had lied yeah. They said they'd been threatened with death by Jesse's uncles so I guess I'd rather lie about something to get killed in less than a month. After he got out of prison he was elected to be a member of his village council so finally whatever has become of the two masterminds of the plot to kill me to Jesse so they were charged for the crime. I am an India and there were attempts made to extradite them from Canada to India to stand trial but the process was impeded because of British Columbia court proceedings and Canadian extradition loss and for some time the only information Asian coming from the R._C._M._p.. was that the investigation remained open and extradition is still being considered. We saw documentary about this and it was almost like the spokesperson for the R._C._M._p.. Stonewalling showing them yeah this was <hes> the fifth estate a Canadian documentary show which I think they actually did two episodes in this case they were following it for years. They interviewed me to a couple of times. Yeah it was interesting because at least from the understanding we have there was there wasn't any controversy on how involved the mother uncle were. They were involved right about the I._C._M._p.. Said well they're Canadian. Citizens in the murder occurred in India. We don't have any jurisdiction. We don't want to be involved basically yeah but if they had been planning this murder in Canada that's a crime so they could have actually been tried in Canada for plotting the murder which the investigators related and understand why Canada wasn't doing that took him owes longtime so may ninth two thousand Fourteen Justice Gregory Smith at the Supreme Court of British Columbia Mbia ordered appear to be turned over to the Indian police in his salary Justice Smith stated it is the Canadian court's role to determine whether jury could convict based on the evidence not whether they should convict so despite despite this order on May two thousand fourteen it took until January two thousand nineteen that there were finally extradited to India and as far as I can determine their awaiting trial in India so the whole thing of honor killings. Why are they still happening? And what can we do to stop this at least in the U._S. to stop it from being planned. That's a good question. I don't know that you can there's certain sex of people types of people who believe in it well. I know that there are several leaders in the seek religion who are trying to stop this cultural honor killing. They say it has nothing to do with their religion is a long way to go. There is <hes> we have another honor killing the the father in Texas Houston. Actually who killed his two daughters were Indian and believe and they had decided the family oy because they were to western so that's an other I assume was convicted quickly he was he didn't get away with it. For How many years was this twelve years Osu's along time yeah here well. That's just really sad. Plus dead case I mean not only what she raped and murdered but metoo was held in prison for four years when he committed no crime rate and and you know when he was in prison he was beaten treated badly. I'm sure yeah yeah. That's a really sad case. It's very sad so who recommended this case. I'm not sure exactly somebody's wanted to do segment honor killings and mentioned this one and it looked like a great case well. It certainly gives you a lot to think about yes so besides the T._v.. Documentaries the book is called Justice for Jesse. It's by Fabian Dawson Harvinder Singh see wack and Japan digit sing and a lot of the information they got straight from me to of lowly information as straight from me to correct okay well fascinating so I'll put a lincoln that if anyone wants to read the book put the Kindle Lincoln all right. We'll thanks a lot for the discussion. We'll be back in a few days with the regular episode of True Crime Very we will so we'll see you next time at the quiet end will be there a bye. I buy the.

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Harriet the Spy with Jenna Ushkowitz

The Bechdel Cast

1:31:17 hr | 1 year ago

Harriet the Spy with Jenna Ushkowitz

"Forgotten is a new podcast about hundreds of young women who have disappeared and turned up dead in Juarez Mexico right across the border from El Paso Texas it's a story about borders, migration and corruption. We talked to victims, families, FBI agents and a former US ambassador to understand why these crimes remained unsolved. Listen to forgotten women of whereas on the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your put costs. On the dog cast, questions asked movies have within minutes. Are All discussions, boyfriends and has been. Do they have individualism? The Patriarchy's FM. Start Changing with back. The time has come. The woman said to the other woman to talk of many things of shoes and ships and sealing wax of cabbages and Queens File Caitlin, and why the sea is boiling hot, and whether pigs have jeans rhyme with queens jeans. I was like I was like. Is that a feminist thing? She instead of wings seems more. Wait just needed to. That's true. And that's you know. That's my bad. Genes are a prison for all genders. And so in that way, it's a very inclusive piece of restrictive clothing. Praise true in conclusion I liked your poem. Thank you so much It is from today's movie, but before we get there. Hello and welcome to the Bechtel cast. My name is Caitlin Toronto my name's Jamie LOFTA and this is our feminists movie podcast where we examined the representation of women in film and we use. Something called the Bechtel Test Jamie. What is that even while I think I remember? Here's what I if. If memory serves. Here's what it is. The Bechtel test is a media metric invented by cartoonist Alison Bechtol sometimes called the Bechtol Wallace test that requires a piece of media do the following there has to be to female identifying characters with names for our purposes who speak to each other about something other than a man for two lines of dialogue or more, most movies can't make it happen. Absolutely, can't. wiz I just watched that new movie with Chris Hemsworth on Net flicks and I had. It doesn't pass and anything. It doesn't pass the good movie test. She does a pass. The Bechtel tests. It doesn't pass the I finished the movie test. A. Lotta movies don't pass which ones that extraction extraction more like I want to extract myself out of this movie watching. Experience show loving. I haven't seen it yet. But today's movie I. Feel Like Today's movie will do okay on the Bechtel test not to not to spoil. It would be imagine how deeply gut wrenching disappointing it would be. If this movie somehow did not pass the test, right, it'd be devastating or recovering. Harriet the spy, and before we even introduce our guest who we are very excited to have on the show. We wanted to jump to a quick. We had with friend of the show. She played Janey in the movie. Harriet the spy. It's Vanessa Lee Chester. Hi Vanessa welcome back. To be back I honestly when I got caitlyn's email. I was like what is going on. Because I just been thinking about you guys and I was like. Yeah, you posted. Something on Instagram and I was like she's so fucking funny and I literally was like I had such a great time chatting with you guys and all my friends who like listen to the episode were like this is such a fucking legit show and I was like I. Know Right, and so when you guys sent me up. I was like they like me. We love you. Welcome back. I'm excited so so recovering. Harriet, the spy and I guess we just wanted to start by talking to you about like your experience on that movie. How do you? How do you remember that time in that shooting experience now? It was fantastic like I can't speak for a lot of other child actors, but I loved being on that set so much I feel like of all the characters that I've ever played i. feel like the most similar to Jamie like she's weird. She's very expressive in the way that she dresses and that denote so much of her character. She's passionate about science, which is something that you don't see a lot in young women and I'm obsessed I swear. That is my friend, but we've never met. and. Like in my mind like Neil, degrasse Tyson is my uncle, and then his best friend. Is Bill Nye and we're just all this huge great family. But yeah like working on that sat was just so fantastic. I feel like the story is just. It's like everything. A precocious curious kid wants to live out and then getting a chance to actually bring it to the big screen with such an honor like I loved every moment of it. Yeah I'm still like I'm still friends with everyone like Greg and I talk. Yes, Greg is like my boy like I. He will have a special place in my heart for the rest of my life. Yeah and then so now years later. What for you or just based on? You know because I'm. I'm sure people talk to you about it. fairmount. What is what is the legacy of this movie? SORTA like become over time. I feel like that's a really difficult question, because I feel like there's something really special about this movie, but it resonates in different ways for everyone. I got a really sweet DM I. WanNa say at the end of last year from this. Lady on Instagram and I'm only saying race, because it's relative to the, it's important to the story and happens to be white and she was like Hey you know I. Just wanted to reach out to you and see if there was any way you could possibly send me an autograph for my sister. She's adopted and she happens to be black. And we used to watch Harriet the spy all the time when we were little because we were like Janey and Harriet are basically sisters, and we looked at it like us like two little girls who are outcast, but are be grounded in who they are and I was like crying, reading the DM you know. And I sent her like I sent her an autograph copy of my DVD, and like a poster and I was like this is for you, your sister, your brother, because like you guys are basically Janey hurry in sport That's the. It was. Like. We're friends on link to now. Just so random like. A dove job I'm an actor trying to lay beyond more movies. It always surprises me when I hear from fans of Harriet the spy, and just how resonated for them and I feel like a lot of girls who I've heard some women from the Lgbtq community say that like I kind of felt like Harry may have been like the first lesbian that I read about you. Know and I was like Whoa. That's something that I've never thought about, and I just think that that's cool that like it's almost a for interpretation, but you can see yourself in it regardless for sure. I love it. a quick question I had because neither Jamie never have read the book that the film was based on, and we were trying our research to figure out if the Janey character was specifically written as black, and we couldn't find anything out about that, so we were wondering if if you knew about that, or if maybe the character was just written pen of ethnically ambiguous and they. Know, it's really interesting that you brought that up. I'm glad that you said that because I was going to bring it up myself. Once, you guys asked me to do this. I started. Pick the book back up and I was like I. Need to refresh my solvency with in I. WanNa say the second chapter. When Harry is going back to school, they're describing all of the kids and they describe Janey, and they're like Jenny is a shy meet grow with freckles, and like doesn't really like making eye contact with people and I was like Whoa. I mean freckles could be any race, but they're generally associated with people Robin Caucasian and I was like Whoa. You know and it kind of. Of made me think like I feel like Jamie might have been white, but the director didn't want that and I remember auditioning, and they were like we want you to be bold, and we want you to be like charismatic and have a lot of confidence, and like I loved it I was like she's wild. Like this is the version of me. That I wish I could bring to school every day, but it seems as if Janey in the book is actually a little bit more questions herself a little bit, which I thought was an interesting adaptation Cool Yeah Janey in the movie definitely feels like it aspirational like care like you WanNa. Be Like! Oh, my Gosh! I remember like I knew I was getting paid but I didn't really care. I was like, but how can I have? Giannis entire wardrobe bats. We really need to talk about like again like I go to college with this money that I'm allegedly making, but what about those suspenders that you guys made I walked though. Does, he get to keep anything I don't remember to honest I'm sure I did and who knows? Justice for the overalls. GotTa find them. They're like some type of like. It's a wrap type of thrift store in Burbank and I just got to find right. do you have any other kind of final thoughts that you want to share any thoughts at all about your experience being in the movie or just with the story itself or anything along those lines we'll now that were chatting. I'm really excited to revisit the book and just read it now that I'm older and have a different type of analytical I because when I was younger I remember starting the book and I. I dropping it because I was like Oh like I. don't even want to read the rest. I just WanNa get a notebook and I thought it was really funny. Because I was actually in the movie I just finished shooting, it and I went back to school with a notebook and I think it's really funny as an adult looking back on. How though I knew that I had filmed this entire spectacular movie like? My imagination was so sparked by what she was doing. All I wanted to do was run on roofs and spy on people and my mom was like. Don't try that Shit. Do not even try it. Like I went to school with a notebook like basically pretending I. Was Harriet before the movie came out. That's amazing. I had the same experience where I saw the movie as a young child and was obsessed with Harriet and her notebook. By gear and I. Wanted to be Harry it. Yeah, and that's what's so amazing about it. We all wanted to be Harry. You know like just something so courageous about her like. That's what we all want to do is pretend older and like that's the thing that I find to be very endearing about. Harriet is a lot of young kids. We all feel like we're adults like I. Remember telling my mom I could run. The country at ten was confident that I would be a better president than all the people that I saw on TV and maybe I was right I mean. Are you wrong? I know it was like you're right out. Who knows I was a pretty wold little nine year old, whatever but. It's amazing how mature Harry is and like in the book they denote the parts that are specifically her writing in her notebook with different font. So you know that those are thoughts, and there's a part in the book where Ole Golly says to her like you need to write down everything you don't need to like. It right down things in the way that you see you know and as you guys remember the movie like her friends see the notebook and everyone loses it, and I'm like. When I was little I used to be like Oh. My God Harry so me and she so messed up, but like now that I'm older on Mike. She's a child and children are amazing because they're so honest like she wasn't actually trying to be malicious. She was just documenting in writing down what she saw without trying to impress anyone because she didn't feel like her. Thoughts would be out in public, you know. I don't know there's just a thought that I had no totally I have I have the same feeling. Like he's like Giannis Weird and my blow up the world. Yeah, if you had a friend who was always talking about blowing up the world at ten, you might be a little skeptical a little. That's I. that's like part of what I really love about. The movie like is that it makes like friendships with kids like it takes their friendship seriously, and they're like complicated, but they're also like. Yeah, of course, a kid would say that if they or I mean. If they didn't think anyone else would ever see it, so you can like feel for her, but also be like you can't do johnny like that. and. That's a really great point is like it definitely brings like a drama. That's that's their world and you know we're sitting here. You're in sixth grade. It'll be fine, but like sixth grade is everything when you're in sixth grade. So Yeah I love that point Jamie. That's really legit. Well Vanessa, thank you so much for contributing for giving your amazing thoughts and firsthand experience of being in the movie and thank you for being in the movie and. You guys are so amazing. Thank you so much for inviting me back. This has been such a great little piece of joy during what we're all going through being able to discuss one of the projects that I've been in that I absolutely adored being part of and I cannot wait to hear this episode and how you guys, break it down because you guys kill it and I know you're gonNA. Do It justice. Yes again and we'll have to have you back. Like a a legitimate episode like a full episodes license. Don't don't play me I will stock you if you. Know that it's all on. We've got it documented. The challenge love it all right. You guys are awesome you to talk to you. Thank you so much have a good day. Thanks again Vanessa for chatting with us, and that brings us to our wonderful guest for today's episode. She is a podcast hosts a producer and actress best known from Glee. It's Jenna USCCA wits, hello. On you guys so excited to be here or so excited to have you love a good quarantine. Record you now and. Oh Yeah. It's a good time to watch lots and lots of movies. It's true. Yes, it's full on Escape Zone I. Love it right right. Tell us about your relationship and your history with Harriet the spy well. I loved Harriet the spy. This is totally like we're similar in age Michelle, Trachtenberg, and I, and when this came I was like finally a girl who can wear jeans and sneakers and doesn't have to wear dresses all the time, and like somebody who kind of like is wearing what I would want to wear bats. The I thought I had when I when I saw. The really cool, little yellow raincoat and I started acting when I was really really young and I would do voice overs a lot in I got a call to do some looping, which is the background voices throughout the film that they need to fill in like a playground or at school, or whatever, and so I went into do looping for Harriet the spy, so in some of these teens I'm actually like whispering like especially in the the carry like blue paint scene. Yeah, I whispered like into the girls ear, and it was so cool. That's your voice and so I still get these like many checks from paramount for ten cents. From! Every once in a while. It'll be like sixty cents you're like. GOING OUT And yeah, and Michelle and I actually modeled together a lot growing up. We were just you know we kind of cross paths a lot in the business so? but I love the film and actually also loved it so much that I got a note. A marble notebook I'm duplicated the private on it and I wrote all these like crazy things about my family in them and one day I walk in my room. My Mom's like what is this she's like what did you write and she's like? This movie is no good for you and I. It was all maintenance staff, but she was like I was really my. Parents have an interesting relationship with this movie because like I'm sure. That's such an amazing connection. That's so cool. Your Voice has a presence a life in the movie. David Lee remember standing in this big, a voiceover room and like booth. Boot though and the movie was like in this on this massive screen on the wall, and they would just start, and then you had. You don't have to play and like being a playground with like other kids. It was the most fun that's so cool. That's so fun. Jamie. What's your relationship with the movie I? Have a very. Complicated relationship with this movie in that I was not allowed I was I was pretty I was like I was like three or four when this movie came out so I didn't see it when it first came out, but I wasn't allowed to watch it when I was little because I had like I. I was like a full on like undiagnosed OCD child, and so I took a notebook literally everywhere, and I would get in trouble. At school about it because I did this thing from. I I remember doing it in first grade, but I had this like real child. OCD fixation on. Down everyone in a room was wearing and saying. For no real like it was unlike Harriet, I had no endgame. There was no objective or career goal attached to my notebooks but I just did it compulsively, and I would get in trouble for it. All the time and people were like this makes me uncomfortable. Why should keep writing down that I'm wearing a yellow shirt and So it was like such shake chronicle problem for me that my mom was like movie about girl with notebook. We can't have it in the house like so I. Didn't get to see it and I'm so bummed because now that I've seen it I'm like first of all. My mom was kind of right, and it definitely would've made made my notebook problem. A million times worse and it was already pretty bad. But I it's such a good movie, and it's so like I I, just like I love it in every single way I love movies that let kids be like complicated and kind of messy, but not fall into that precocious child trope that is so annoying and. I just think it's so well done I. Love like the direction style of it. It seems like everyone in the movie is like having the time of their life and. I just wish I could have seen it when I was younger, but I'll hand it to Jill. She was probably right not to show it to me. Yeah Jill being a good parent. Well. She's just like I don't want my kid to get bullied at school for her horse notebooks anymore than she this. What's your experience with this movie Caitlin? I did watch it when I was a youth I was deeply impacted by this movie, but what? I remember way more than the movie itself was what I did in response to the movie like I think probably saw it only once or twice, it came out in ninety six. I was ten so I was kind of the exact. Exact right age for it. Yeah, but I think I saw few enough times that I don't remember what the story was at all, but again it impacted me so much that the movie made me want to be a spy. I had my mom get me a notebook just like Harry. It's one of those like marble notebooks I put together this little like kit of spice stuff. Stuff anything I could get my hands on which was mostly just like a magnifying glass, and like a pen, but I was like I'm going to be a spy and I. I started eating mayonnaise sandwiches because I didn't like tomato, but so I didn't Wanna eat the tomato part of the tomato and Manny's sandwiches that Harry it makes, but I liked mayonnaise so I would just. Just eat just plain mayonnaise sandwiches. I would do this thing where I would slurp soup very obnoxiously and then say good soup like Harriet does in the movie like I picked up all these habits from the movie, but I re watching. It prepped for this episode I realized I had no idea what this movie was about. I like completely forgotten everything about the story so. But again? It really really had a major. Impact on me when I was a child, so That's It's it's iconic. It really is. It had such a like so interesting, and had such an effect, even though you didn't even get to see it like it was really impactful in like finally seeing a girl who's not so dainty and like wanting to have a notebook to write things down like I. Just I think it was impactful in a positive way, even though parents probably had a very toward relationship with the film for their children. But I feel the same way. I definitely made those sandwiches and I definitely like I fell very like I just wanted to be her I wanted to replicate her I wanted to be her. She made it really cool like she. She was really cool. Totally I feel like Yeah I. This is this movie is good representation for people who double down on disgusting sandwiches and. And I include myself in that community. Someone's like. Yeah, this is the worst food you could possibly eat every single day, and I'm doing it proudly all right. I mean it also speaks to and I'm sure we'll talk about this a lot, but it just speaks for the need for representation of movies, about little girls like doing cool things and doing things that like. Other little girls or little children as viewers can aspire to, because there's just isn't much of that still, and the fact that this movie exists and was so impactful for so many people just like speaks to that need. Yeah, and just being like reflective of what a six graders interests actually are, because I like movies for like targeted at young girls and sometimes young young boys as well as like. Like eleven year, olds that are like there's a crush narrative that's takes ton of real estate, then like I don't know there's so many like sixth graders are weird, and their interests are weird, and their friendships are like intense, and I liked it. This movie kind of reflects all of that for sure we'll. Should we talk about the story and then go from there? I say as okay couldn't hurt. Okay so we meet Harriet Michelle Trachtenberg of course She is a young girl who wants to be a writer. She learns everything she can, and she writes down everything. She sees in this private notebook that she always carries around, and that's why she's a spy. She's a spy because she's gearing up for a career as a writer. We cut to her at school. She and her Best Friends Sport Gregory Smith. And Janey of course played by Vanessa Chester who you just heard. They are insects. Grade and Harriet is nominated for class president along with her arch. Nemesis Marion Hawthorne. And the best perk of being class president is being editor of the sixth grade newspaper, which is a weird day. That was I was like. Wow, what a strange to powers to connect regimes like the president shouldn't edit the newspaper. Yeah, that would be like if Donald trump was like the head of all news right now. He's the head of some news. Yeah! I'll add to say. It seemed like a conflict of interest to me I agree also I don't know about like yours schools, but like we didn't have a sixth grade newspaper. There was no journalism of any kind is for me like yeah. Yeah, it was like high schools when school newspaper right okay, just just making sure. Yeah, before that it's just all you just trust what you hear over the loudspeaker. That isn't a totalitarian regime exact very envious of those classes where you'd see like. They have the morning news where you got to be like a newscaster. I would have totally been that girl, but like I didn't. We didn't have that I have that. We had like a teenager that went to the principal's office to do the announcements every day, so the principle wouldn't have to. Just, had the principal outsourcing their job to children well food, yeah. Well unfortunately for Harriet Marian her enemy WYNN's class president then after school Harry. It goes off on. Her spy wrote. She spies on this guy who has a bunch of cats, of cats and now's a great time to mention Catholics. Caitlin cats have eight Nipples, and there were many guy I don't know how many cannibals, but there's a lot anyway. I was counting my cat's nipples day and I couldn't I couldn't get to aid some of them. Don't have that many. Factors! Why not getting facts? Because that's what Google told me the one time I looked it up fake news. Cancel me. Cat Faxes fakeness. Anyway okay so. Harry, it's on her spy out. She's looking at the guy with a bunch of cats. Then she spies on the Hong Phat family at the supermarket. She spies on the delivery guy who she thinks stealing vegetables, and then she's writing all of this down in her notebook. Then we meet Harry. It's nanny goalie played by Rosie O'Donnell. She is a very important figure in mentor inherits life. She's like she's a better parent than Harry. It's parents right. Who are these kind of upper crust? Don't seem to spend a lot of time with Harry. I think her dad is like a comedy, screenwriter or something. There's exchange of dialogue where he's like I'm the funny man. I do the comedy. The other guys are the money men and I like to think this is commentary on how most male comedy writers are actually very uptight and not funny at all. Agree Yeah What an interesting choice of job for this ever crossed family. Right yeah. What were you writing on Sir? I'd like to know, is he? What show 'cause this show kind, we'll part of what I love about. The aesthetic of this movie is like it could kind of happen basically. Whenever like they do that. Cool thing where there's not any dated tech really included in the story, so you can kind of project it to be whenever, but yeah like what? What if he was like I'm a Seinfeld writer and you're like no. Canonical, what is he supposed to be writing? That's really interesting. I was thinking that. Yeah, who knows anyway one night A date over, and it turns out to be the vegetable steeler guy and the go out for dinner and a movie and their late getting back to Harry it's house and when they return Harry. It's mom is super worried because she's like where I didn't know where Harriet was, so she fires Golly but then like immediately takes it back, but even so this all transpires to Gauley, deciding to leave. It's time for me to go Harry. It is grown up enough now and yeah I'm GonNa piece out also Harry. It's mom was being very unreasonable in that situation straight, yes. Like this woman is raising your child for you. Can you chill? Yeah, I mean well women be lashing ounce. You know. Good, things she has her comedy. Writer husbanded deeper in check. Psych what? anyways without your parents are weird, they are thing is weird. But golly leaves and parting words to Harry it. Are you know keep being a spy and keep writing, so she does she. She does her normal spy route with the the cat guy and the Hong phat market, and she sees her friends sport, struggling to pay for groceries and she pretends that he dropped a dollar outside so that she can like help pavers groceries, and then she snoops around Earth Kits House. Random. What a fun treat because you hear Earth a kit before you see her, and so I was just like no way what what what and then she it's. It's her and it's just. It's clear that she was on set for five hours and then. I'm so I was so, what a treat so happy to see! Oh yes, but it's at the kits house that Harry gets caught and good spies never get caught, so she's down herself. For having been caught so the next day instead of doing her usual spy route, she decides to play with her friends. She's like. To be a spy, I'll do normal kid stuff so during a game of bumper tag. It drops her notebook and her nemesis Marion Hawthorne picks it up and starts reading it to a group of kids, and it becomes clear that it's basically a burn book where Harry is just saying pretty mean stuff about Oliver classmates, including her best friends, Janey and sport. So now that this is all out in the public, everyone hates her and her friends ignore her, and the kids at school are like passing around notes saying that Harry it smells, and they built a clubhouse for catching spies, and just A. It's a cool club. Thoroughly. High want that Clubhouse, right? They duct tape it together. It's it's. It's built the way that kids would build a clubhouse and I appreciated that exactly. Yeah, then her parents are like you're obsessed with being a spy, and it's not healthy, and they make her give up her notebook. And then there's an incident at school where Marian and her friends dumped blue paint on her, and she freaks out, she goes home. She ripped her notebook up very big fat liar. Even though this movie came before big. Liar I'm just? Paul Giamati got blue painted to it happened Oh. Yep, I haven't seen. Children's movie trope just getting dumped on by blue paint by blue pain. I don't know I don't know all right I. Think piece on it. and. Then Harry decides to get revenge on her classmates for doing this and she carves like a hit list to her desk and. Afraid. She gets revenge by cutting off girl's ponytail. She ruins various school projects. She tells Marian Her dad doesn't love her pretty traumatic things like that. Terry retaliate very rebellious. She's listen Harry. It's a flawed character. It's true we'll talk about it. Mean there's like there's little moments, too. I Love Harriet so much but I'm like Oh. Yes, she's also a rich Brat. Hassle Dude things where I'm just like. Oh, you just like have so much privilege you can't see. She lives in an enormous apartment, really nice. Upper East side I I was like A. I. I mean so much. It boggles the mind, and it's also such a cool movie house. It's rent controlled. You guys there. They pay seven hundred dollars a month to live there. She inherited it from her grandma's grandma, okay. It's like frightens. Right. So her parents are like Oh. Something's happening with our daughter. She's really lashing out, so they take her to a child psychologist and this is one. She's maybe starting to realize that what she was writing in. Her notebook was Kinda Nasty, and it hurt people's feelings, so her parents give notebook back and golly comes back for a visit and Golly is like here's. Here's the thing you need to apologize, and you need to tell some white lies, because white lies are okay and also maybe try writing something other than notes in your notebook, so then Harriet goes to apologize to Janea sport. They're still sour at first, and then in class Harriet suggests that people besides just the class president should get to write the school newspaper. The kid with the purple socks is like yeah. I agree and Harry is a really good writer. I nominate her to be the editor of the newspaper. It's kind of incredible. How much the kid and the purple socks ends up coming through and happening narrative significance and bright. Don't see it coming, and this is someone who Harry it said should hang themselves. It's really and he really gets over it. He this is the thing piece I want. The kid with purple socks went home and was like you know what and stones may break my bones, but good journalism is good journalist. that he advocates for. Sure does so everyone else's is like Yeah Harry. You're the new editor of the newspaper. So then she writes a retraction apologizing, saying the things that she had written before weren't fair. She was too quick to judge people and jump to conclusions. And then the movie ends with her class dancing around during their winter pageant like in a gravy boat in a gravy though. Harriet is an onion I think they're. The costumes are pretty fun. It reminded me so much of. Does anyone remember that episode of Hey Arnold where their fruits in the play? Yes. Another like fun. Children's immediate trope. We got an address. The kids like food. People love it a million. It's so good. And that's the story, so let's take a quick break, and then we will come back to discuss. You Know Me. I'm always watching movies for fun and for my job. But How am I supposed to watch movies? When there's a huge glare on my TV from all the sun coming in through my windows, but then other times I want natural light in my home like when I'm taking hundreds of pictures of my roommate's cat. The good news is blinds dot. com has me covered. They make it simple to shop from home for top quality, blinds, shades and interior shutters with easy online, ordering and free shipping. A lot of us are spending way more time at home right now. Now so now more than ever. 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Is that because I didn't remember what the movie was about like my ten year old brain just completely forgot I assumed that this story was going to be kind of like a Nancy drew type story where like Harry it would have. have to solve a mystery because she's a spine. She comes across a thing that she needs to figure out interesting, but I think what happens in this movie is way more realistic to what an eleven year old girl would get involved in rather than like somehow being able to solve this like this mystery ray, so I thought that was actually really cool, because I as I was watching. It I was like what's what's the Miss? Wins the mystery going to happen? When are they going to establish on? I'm like Oh. Wait a minute. That's not what this movie is about. It's about her. I like that she like it. They make it clear that she's devoted to what she does. And she is good at it, but you're also like, but like what is she doing? which is how all of us when we were eleven? Did things like we were like? Yeah, this is important, and this is cool, and then at the end they're like well. What did you accomplish your like not? Nothing I got into a fight with my mom right? Hey is such a cool complicated character where I was I was really like kind of like really impressed with how this movie just like goes there with like parents, conflicts and the like subtleties of communicating that Harriet parents are like kind, have failed her in some ways, and that there has to be a conversation about how they have failed her in some ways, and how they just don't really understand her, and there's like class. Stuff tackled in this movie where like? It doesn't clear I mean clearly demonstrate through how she treats. Sport doesn't understand. Class really at all and has to learn that and she's like Fox up, but still I don't know. Yeah, it like the movie tackles so many different. Things, that are all like stuff that affects kids, but it does it in a way that is still appealing to kids. It's like it's incredible. Yeah, doing a job because it's nickelodeon. I think he was one of the first movies at Nickelodeon had released and I was reading about it, because I think it's interesting that the book by Louise Video is has been banned It's on ban books list for different like school children's libraries and school libraries and things like that. Yeah I don't. Don't remember ever seeing it in a school library, which is like because it goes back to the thing of like. Are you know appearance probably have this weird toward relationship with the movie because it's like the parents failing and they're not. You know failing their child, and not being there for her, but I like the idea of like the power of words like teaching the kids with the power that they have with their what they say, and what they think and how they express it. I also thinking about like sweet little golly. And her relationship I love that that relationship between the two ladies, but. You know I was like Oh. This is how I'll be able to teach my kid about how to white lie and how that's okay. I was like I'm GonNa. Take that. Even. That seen as such a cool like big swing of like I. Don't know like just like that just shows. How seriously the like writers of this movie take her kid audience of like. They don't doubt that that will like. You know resonate with them. Yeah, I, mean I! Think like the whole way through with Harry like she is flawed so I go back and forth on like am I supposed to be like rooting for her this whole time? Where am I supposed to kind of I'm learning things as a thirty four year old woman from Harriet? But you know at the end of the day like with that sweet scene at the end, it's like sometimes you have to lie, but Chee Yourself. You must always tell the truth. Not set you know so I think there were really really great messages along the way for a nuggets for these kids to actually take even though. Our Year ten-year-old brains or like I. Want to be a spy. But like having a these nonconformist women at the helm of film. Were you go like? You know the underrepresented is represented in a way, yeah. I love her relationship with Golly I think they. Her relationship with Golly is so. Beautiful and cool, and I feel like a really good model of like how adults can treatment children not with kid gloves, and it can be like a very like that's just like how you should treat a kid generally. I love like that scene where. Golly like listens to Harriet. She cares about her interest. She supports what Harriet interested, and then also like. Does that cool thing where like it's like an adult takes you seriously, and then tries to expand your knowledge where she like brought her to see that movie about Mata Hari and she knows about Josephine Baker like all these female spies or I. Yeah I think. Golly is such a cool character and the fact that we also get a little look into her personal life and her interior life, because they feel like in in his movies that mostly hang out in the upper crust. Class, the only poor characters UC have no interior life that were made aware of, but it's like golly has a life and she has interest and she. She advocates for herself. When like Harry it's mom. You know like treats or like Shit. She's like no I'm Outta here I don't I? Don't need to put up with this I. Also Love The FEM fatal movie theater I was like okay. Because they went to some fatalities film festival. Right yeah yeah yeah and then they like saw. I think it was a real movie based on like Mata. Hari is adventure. and. These are like women that are like wrote a like a report on Mata Hari when I was a kid like Oh, spies, but It's yeah. Their relationship is great, and it made me cry. When colley left the first time. It's really. Maybe I'll travel like now. Like. I WANNA. Go with Golly. Other things that I like that. We've already touched on, but like I guess in terms of Harry. It's friend group, so you? You heard what Vanessa had to say, but the the fact that you know Harrods to friends are Janey. Who is a a woman of color in stem? It's so rare to see little black girls, doing science on screen or having an interest in science in any media that was really remarkable and also doesn't like. Make I feel like a big thing. There is also just like normal. And not making it this like big focal point. It's like Cheney like scientists is what she does. This is how she acts Blah Blah, and like it just is. She's also has like a fascination with very destructive science. Like I love the H. Bomb I on crowd, Manhattan Project Let's do it and we're like like. She's obsessed with laser beams that would disintegrate people. She'll work it out and therapy later. All these kids are in therapy hang. Yeah Janey is awesome and I was also. Kind of just based on other movies that we've covered in like tropes that we've noticed over the years I think I'm thinking of the craft where? Normally you know in in a movie where there's only one person of color, usually specifically a black character. You don't get to see their home, life or their home. Life is kind of excluded from the narrative, and that again is just like a not the case for Janey, and it's done in a very like. Just a normalized way of like you see her mom. Her Mom's like. Stop blowing things up and you're like all right cool there. We are You get a peek at the home and like. I guess to be not in the same amount of detail that we get for Harriet and for sport but you do get to see her home life her relationship with her mom, and it's you know it's like a meaningful part of the story and then I mean speaking of sport I also like that. The movie normalizes girls being friends with boys because I think a lot of media targeted to children would try to emphasize a divide between girls and boys, and like how ooh girls we're turning into like our crush narrative to yeah, but they're just. You know platonic friends. There's no indication at least in the movie that any of them have binny's. Crush on anyone else now. They're busy. Too busy being spies and you know making spores in their bedroom and stuff like that, and then with with sport. There is like you said Jamie Some attention is drawn to class. Because you know Harry it comes from a well to do family whereas spore to say the least your right. He's her dad Larry David like. How was a comedy writer having that how? Knows Yeah Sport comes from a poor family who his dad is also a writer, but you know there's a line where Harriet says. Something like my dad would call guys like your dad a starving artist. Get a real job. Yeah, why won't Harry IT'S DAD staff sport? If he's the show. Runner of Seinfeld give sports data job on the show now. If he's a shitty writer. Could be it well. He does sell something for ten thousand dollars at the end. So that's that's that's something I like this sweet, little senior. She climbs up and she's spying unsportsmanlike. She sees sport with his with his dad, and the running around like with you know having this like grand old time with chicken hat or whatever? That thing was yeah. But yeah. I think it also shows that like happiness comes in different forms, and and being fulfilled in a different way for children to kind of understand that like that. You don't need money to to have a happy family. was also like pretty pretty powerful I thought for sure I mean there's definitely an existing trope. Children from poor families or just poor families in general are. Able and often there's like this idea that like. Oh, parents of a poor family are abusive or negligent, or you know any. Really negative stereotypes and we don't see that at all with sports family. Well I will say just a a little bit that like sport I guess. I think that sports dad is kind of weirdly written in some moments of like he's not a good. He's not reading to be a good parent. Because export is the one who is doing the cooking and like buying groceries, because his dad is rest, Fahrenheit right his shady book so I feel like it is not like entire like. Yeah Fair point that yeah I I feel like I. Mean this. This movie in this story goes out of the way to give kids a lot of agency, but like sport is literally. Seems, to be running the House and he is you know ten or eleven, right? That's fair. I mean which does mean we see a little boy doing. Domestic chores which we never see the context of it though. Is I mean yeah, it seems like he has. A depressive parent, but then they were like well. Depressive episodes art so best not to deal with it so I don't know I was a little concerned for sport, even when things started working out for the family. good like are we does. Does sport still have to cook tonight like? Can this dad learn how to make a box of MAC and cheese for his son, please. I was just worried about is board. there. There is a an exchange of dialogue. That I thought was really powerful, and I think would have been especially powerful to see if I had remembered it as a child when I saw it, but you know Harry. It says something like I hate money and sport replies with. You'd like it a lot more if you didn't have any right. which is such a like you know Harry is coming from this really privilege place of course like she gets to hate money, because money doesn't ah. Lack of money isn't affecting her like she doesn't have to worry about that. She's never had. Yes, she's never had to really think about it. One of the things where I feel okay, so Harry I i. like that the that there is some class diversity in this movie as well and one of the I think cool things that Harriet does as a little rich New York. Kid is that she gets to go to therapy and I was kind of like. When the scene came up, I was like Oh. You know it's like ninety six. You don't really know which way this is. GonNa go because I feel like especially during this. This time there is still like significant stigma against any kind of therapy, and you would sometimes see therapy characters made out to be kind of like Kooky, and like kind of like snake, oil, salesmen and the like. How are you feeling and they don't actually understand. They're not actually listening, but I I. Really Love the direction that this movie takes it which is that it is helpful for Harry like and and the fact that she went to therapy, even though she herself was skeptical of it. Ends Up Improve I. Mean Ninety I mean like really improving her parents understanding of her more so than her understanding of herself, but I was happy to see that therapy and like mental health. Stuff was not made a joke of because I think that's an easy job that you kind of see a lot in movies in the. Nineties early two thousands true. Yeah. I think there's a long way to go with therapy stellan mental health, even though we're moving in a forward motion, but I I'm actually. We're watching Sopranos for first time right now where? I think they're doing a really wonderful job with the way in that world like you know handling an approaching the topic of mental health, but like they bring their son to their son's not paying attention. They think he has add. He's GonNa. Get tested. It's like I I WANNA see people go, who don't have major overlaying issues meeting that like you have to go to therapy. Just because of that like I. we always see kids being. Being brought to therapy because they're troubled rather than just being able to say like they're happy is okay for everybody true you know, and it's ultimately in this case. It seems like Harriet is big. Part of the reason to Harriet is being sent to therapy is because her parents are not doing the work they need to like it's. It's just as much of them like they should also be in therapy and I hope that they are. All the movie kind of frames at the Gauley leaving is the catalyst for trauma. Yeah, it's it's Harry. It's trauma and it's why she sort of lashes out, and because like what happens is that people find her notebook where she has said all these? You know perhaps truthful, but still mean things about all of her classmates. And, then they they retaliate against her 'cause. They're like you can't say this horrible stuff about us. That's mean and they kind of shun her, but she. Retaliates against them again for having been shunned really doubles down. Doubles down and it's like but like that's also a realistic thing that I think a lot of eleven year. Olds would do I honestly watching this I'm like. Any anytime. I see a movie where kids like kind of act out in a funny way, and like I wish I was I. Wish I was like a boulder? Child and I like recognize at the time then like this really isn't going to have that much of an effect on my life. I should just do some fucked up weird. She gets like. Their she really doubles down in a way. I would not have been brave enough to attempt as as an eleven year old. It's inspiring. Because, I think a maybe a movie that had a lesser. Children's behavior and psychology would just have it so that her book got found all of her. You know mean notes were revealed, and then she would just be like. Oh, my Gosh! I'm so sorry. Everyone better now, but like no. It spirals out of control and I could totally see myself like me I don't think I ever did anything quite like that. But like you know when you're a kid, and you don't know how to hold yourself accountable for any misdeeds you did. You're going to keep lashing out because you just don't know how else to process anything. I had a really embarrassing like not. I mean not as it wasn't a mean thing, but when I was in fifth grade I I left an open document at the computer lab. Saying that I was like trying to. I don't know and she might. Teacher was Mister Brewster and I typed the words Mister Brewster hot, and it became a thing that was you know it was not an easy time to have been the girl that type Mister Brewster high. because. I meant it as a question. Not as a statement, not one would believe me. I met Mister. Brewster high. But the punctuation wasn't there so it and and I just doubled down in saying that it was a question and not a statement, which made the whole thing worse and being a child is a full full fledged nightmare. It's traumatic dramatic. You really. I think about it all even thinking about it now just still puts a pit in my stomach like, don't you? Dan should have just pressed backs. It have been so easy. That's basically the plot of love Simon by the way I. It's actually based on me and Mr Bruce Restore. The they licensed it from us well incredible. Yeah, let's take a quick break, and then we'll come back for more discussion. Working from. Conference calls. 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Her spy targets is the Hong Phat family. And she says something like Oh. They have a son Frankie. He's cool American style. And then the parents are cool Chinese style, and then she makes a comment about how the parents would rather have frankie working in the store, selling milk, and bread and lizards look so. It's this joke made at the expense of the immigrant family like ooh, this thing they do. That's unfamiliar to me. It must be gross or it's weird. It's other does not h well. especially, because it's like there's no I mean. That's the end of. There's no commentary like it's just like there's so many things, and it sucks. Because they I I wanted to believe better of this movie of there's so many things in this movie that Harry is wrong about, and then she learns that she's. and. Get some perspective on it, and you would think that this would be a great opportunity for you to know. You're like a rich little white girl. You don't know what you're talking about. You're right, but it just it. It never comes for this. Storyline no, it doesn't unfortunately not as not. I was also kind of bummed that I, don't even she? They they give this character name, but Marion's I. Guess like side Kick. Yes, her name is Rachel Yeah. I don't love how that character is treated as one of the only like non white students that we get to know and that she's kind of like relegated to this sidekick role. Yeah, and I also I mean Marion's character in general I. Don't know I. Guess I don't know how I and. Weird class thing happen here because we've got sport, who is very clearly from a low income family? We've got Harriet. who is rich, but then Marian is even richer, and so she's the villain. Right and like I don't know I know that like rich people technically have feelings. We're supposed to like really care about it, but it was just that whole storyline. I was just like what is this like what? No one of it's just like a rich girl being mean to another rich girl, and then like I should have thought more about the richer girls and your dislike. Read care about any of this is it's like the demonizing extra extreme excessive wealth in Marian? Because they like have her stay. These really goofy things like Oh horseback riding. If you can afford, it is a super fun activity. And then her idea for like a fun game that all the children can play is let's role play buying a Volvo you'll pretend to be the rich couple, and you'll pretend to be the car salesman and everyone's like Bhutto your idiot. Kinda hates her like they lock day, but then Harry. You're also rich. Like what do you like she? I guess slightly less rich than Marian and so Harry. It's like cool by everyone else I don't like. I ended up just kind of shrugging. Because I'm just like I, don't. I guess that I made to an extent where supposed to like just be like we love Harriet. No matter what, but it's like yeah. Harry like check yourself a little bit here. You're like you're in your three percent or and Marion's a one percenter. What's The fucking? One relax also during that scene. Where like all the children are pitching games that they might play? Someone says something and then Harry. It says no, that's our word. She says the word. which again a very nineties thing to do even very like thousand. To some degree, two thousand ten's thing to like that word was being used very casually. It's still kicked around to this day. Right infinite frustration That was. I like jump to. Know there are nineteen ninety-six. How did you get? How'd you get in here? Can we talk about the queer reading of this story? Please so I was doing I have been known to do a little context. Corner myself every once in a while. not to step on your toes. Jamie I, know I'm so sorry. Don't worry, don't worry. But I was doing some reading and full disclosure I. Have Not read the book that this is adopted from. It was banned. It was we were. To it was. So the author Louise Fitzhugh was a queer woman. The book has a pretty substantial queer following the way and I think it has a lot to do with the way Harry. It was described in the book and just various actions and behaviors of hers throughout the story I wanted to read an excerpt from an article that I found from the Guardian entitled Harriet. The spy helped me come to terms with my queer identity who by Cat Patrick quote. Harry, the spy blurred the lines between right and wrong in a way that liberated my nine year old brain as a kid who already felt left out by the mechanisms of femininity that everyone around me seemed to adopt with ease. Harry it was the Blue Denim baby butch. I needed among the endless bothering narratives back then I didn't have the words for what I felt fizzing through my inside and even. Even now fifteen years after coming out, I'm only just learning to feel comfortable with how I present non Binary Butch end quote. I recommend reading this entire Article because the the writer goes on to offer a queer reading on Harriet spy route the idea of having to tell you no little white lies to survive but also remaining true to yourself, all of these themes that are explored. Listeners let us know how the movie resonated with you and the book. If you've read it if you could get your hands on one if you can even get your hands on. As far as the movie and we're, we always like to know more about what our. Thinking and what you're redes-, but I think like a a strength of the movie is that it doesn't force heterosexuality on its child characters like they're just being kids. There aren't like those contracts aren't there's no external pressure for that really coming from any direction, which is very I, didn't really I mean I didn't I was like so refreshed by it then I'm like. Wow, this really does happen in every other kids Mufi. Is it. It makes create so much room in the story for. Interpretation and just doing other things by by not taking up too much real estate with like boy girl crushes, which is also just boring and bad writing. Use. I have some context. Steph on the production of please. Yes, this movie there I. Mean I pretty much love all of it. So, this was directed by a woman, pretty young woman as well I think she was like twenty eight or twenty. Nine Ritchie directed the movie. It was her first big production. Her name's Bronwyn Hughes and everything I've read about her. Love she still is directing mostly like Prestige TV now. She directed a better call Saul episode this year like she's out here, but this was her first movie and. I just look really interested in how she was able to direct kids in a way. That feels so organic, because Caitlin and I have like joked around before like the way that some child actors directed, it just does them no favours and the way that some trial characters are written, does no favours, but like Harriet. The spy feels like this big out liar and so. I wanted to learn more about her direction style and everything i. read about her was that they were just like she just had like the highest energy, and she was like dancing with the kids all day and so. Takes. What happened right after like Michelle Trachtenberg was like dancing around and then round when he is like okay now go and Dat would like. Bring the energy into the scene, so here's a quote from Michelle Trachtenberg about it. She says I. Don't remember her. Not Dancing on set and music was always playing. It was really cool, and in terms of performance art was pretty ahead of her time. It was also a great way to direct children, and keep things alive, and so I. I just I don't know I ended up finding a director that I really WanNa. See like more of her work just based off of an even like the pacing of it. It has such a cool like jazzy kind of pacing and some of the shots. You're like Oh. This is Kinda like art school for kids movie I. Like it right totally. Yeah, that just the colors and like the tone of the whole thing is like it's like a little quirky, but yet still like a little gritty at the same time like New, York. Grit to it and I agree I just wanted to know more about her because I thought she did a fabulous job, and it's really hard to direct kids I. Mean Yeah, I'll tell you like when I was a kid, they would always just like there would be really good directors in really better. and I recently had to direct a child and he's a bit younger, so that was even harder, but like it's. It's A. It's a mighty task to take on. Yeah, and she just like kills it and. And you have to imagine that. Having a female director on this movie made a big difference, too, and just like. How do we see the kids? And so there's also to credited writers on this movie. One is a man named Douglas Petri who has done a ton of mostly TV writing, but on shows with a pretty good reputation for representing women you. He was like a staff writer on Buffy the vampire slayer forever you wrote on. Angel he's written a lot of well regarded female comic Book Characters Ownership Comic. Books don't ask me. And then the other writer is Theresa Reback who is famous for? She's like a legendary female mystery writer, and is known for Writing Lake mysteries that have like a feminist character at the center, so it seems like just really brought together a really solid team of majority women to make this happen, and it's. It feels like a great example of like. A great product that you can get if you just kind of get some. At least some of the right people in the room I wonder how passionate they were in finding the director and finding Bronwyn like how passionate they were about finding a female director for this film because I think it could have been completely different film without a female director. And a perfume perspective, and like you know nowadays there it's it's a requirement for a lot of films and so I. I would just be curious in that time. You know how much of a stickler they were forward or if she was just the right. Who is pushing for it? It's interesting because I feel like especially in this era like nickelodeon. has kind of a better track record with how it's females, characters are written and treated then it. You know if if you're going pound for pound against Disney, which you know, their history was women s maybe not so great I was also kind of surprised that this movie was not particularly well reviewed. It was not at the time and and a lot of this I will chalk up to especially in the nineties older white. White male film critics being like fun and see any. This wasn't for me and then just kind of being like Sia, but yeah, it seems like it was a movie that was misjudged in its time as well which is which was just I, guess kind of strange to me because I've truly never heard a bad word about this movie before going back to the original reviews, and I disagree with all of them like. Like. She didn't even solve a mystery I'm pissed. I had that same at my bad. Your. Double Candle kids. But in any case, it's definitely I think a movie that's reputation has really liked solidified over time. Apparently, it didn't in in the moment I mean it has to be a bit of a cult following right a little man and I i. think totally those weird. You know that art feel that I think I. Think you mentioned earlier. It's like some people get it. And some people don't and the tone of this is really quirky. a lot of off kilter and I feel like if you're if you know, you're not the blockbuster that they're looking for or the the mainstream. It's not going to be well reviewed, but. Other people will again yeah I feel like the the core. The intended audience of this movie got it, and like it wasn't written for old guys, and so they perhaps did not get it. I also wanted to mention just because I'm like this is interesting. Theresa Reebok she wrote the screenplay for the Halle. Berry Cat woman movie Oh. My medics masterpiece CATTLEMAN, yeah! Yeah so you know Peop-, people contain multitudes they sure do. I wanted to touch a little bit on some of the. In the movie one I appreciate that the teacher was not villain is the way that a lot of kids movies will villain is educators sure she was made to seem? A little oblivious perhaps, but she wasn't this like mean authoritarian teacher, the way that a lot of again kid movies will be like teacher. Bad I understand. The kids perspective perspective like sure teachers or sometimes they're hot. Something to consider hot question, mark or not question mark. At the teacher also magically disappears after cleaning up Harriet with the blue paint, which also gave me a slight panic attack like everybody. Get off her. She just disappears. Let's clean here it up and then. Married like spill and then. I wish the discipline. those just a quick little thing I had and then another quick very quick moment in the movie, but I appreciated this. It's after Harriet has tormented her entire class and cut their hair off and strong bra up on the flagpole, and like all this stuff she is at home and her parents come in, and they are trying to figure out like what's happening. Why did she do this? And Her dad comes in? And he says something like I used to mess around in school to US trying to make light of the situation, and then her mom says something like you always do that. You always make jokes than I have to come in here and be grumpy one. One which like it's not what this movie is about at all. It's like this tiny little moment that you would probably blinken. You Miss it kind of thing, but I just appreciate that small attempts to show that it is any like mother Father Household. It is often the mother who has to bear the kind of emotional burden, and the emotional labor of like being the disciplinarian, whereas the dad gets to be like who goofy and fun I. Don't Know How to discipline kids. It's not my job I think. We talked about this a lot in the MRS doubtfire episode IV and that's also true of IBM. Every family is show I remember watching as a kid was like. You know shrew, mom, that occasionally has a scene that's like, but I love you, and then like Goofy Dad, right? It's cannon it may I remember. My Dad used to get really mad about it. I mean it's not really a fair of like. But he was just like. Not all DADS are stupid. I'm like. How does it feel to be negatively portrayed in media, Dad? I like just the Mon- acknowledging that that frustration of like you get to be the fun one and I have to come in here and be the grumpy one like I found that just to be a little a little sliver of something. I enjoyed to sit now. Get just leave it there. And and I liked that you do get a scene with Harriet and her mother. Where like Harry I mean we, we as an audience already know that Harriet parents are very flawed parents that don't really understand their child because they haven't time with her and listen to her like if they had spent the same kind of time that golly had, they would have a better understanding of her. And I I like I mean it's just like another shade of Grey that this movie shows you like how kids relate to people in their lives that I thought was really nice of like her mother, admitting that she was wrong, and she doesn't understand her daughter, and that like that can be true, and she can be trying to better, and you hope that move moving forward that like I don't know it's. It's nice. That Harry got because Harriet. Harriet does does like deserve an apology from for how her parents treat her, and it would have been nice for it to come from both parents, but I did lake. That mother daughter scene. Where you, even though. I'm like this mom needs to get it together. You're also like well, okay. She acknowledges that she has worked to do and that both parents have worked to do. And I thought it was handled. You know pretty well. Yeah, for sure. There's another. One less thing is the, and this is like hardly anything, but there are two different scenes in the movie where the kids are watching like. You're developing. Body's going through puberty. This is how. All really old videos right so. This? From the sixties or something. And then like the fact that Harriet. Pretty much body shames one of her classmates for like having grown boobs over the summer is again not something that we admire or recommend children do, but it is again just such A. A realistic thing because like you know as young kids that our bodies are changing. They're going through puberty. They don't know what's happening they if they see someone else going through puberty I think it's weird and gross like again. Every basically everything that Harry does in her thoughts well, some of them are pretty violent and I. Don't condone at all like the like. The kid with purple socks should hang himself that other girl someone should just. Just kick her like those obviously are not okay, and there's no justification for them, but other ones I'm just like. Of course you think that because it's such an eleven year, old understanding of bodies or of like socio economic class, and you know just different things like that, so while some of them were quite troubling, violent other ones Mike I. Mean I don't like that. She said this, but I understand because it's super realistic yeah yeah. It's it's. Complicated, it is now. With Harriet, the spy, you know why that just speaks to like. It's so refreshing to see like a complicated depiction of a little girl of any female care I. Mean We? Yeah characters are so often written to be so flat and stock and stereotypical that it is nice to i. mean we talk about like when should be allowed to be mediocre in movies? Women should be allowed to like. Fuck up and make mistakes and like that's really most of what Harriet is doing is like. Having to learn major life lessons having to apologize for very misdeeds, things like that and yeah I think it's. It's actually very refreshing to get to see like a little girl. Go through that ARC. It's true. This movie is fun could have to the NICKELODEON for 'cause they're saying like age. Nine is like the common sentence age, and like most would be too pure. You know and not allow any of these issues to really come to the forefront of the phone, so yeah I really yeah. It's like it's very hard to imagine a d like Disney and nineteen ninety-six, taking a female protagonists. This seriously so I'm glad that. Hurry, it was therefore. Does anyone else have any final thoughts about the film. I think so. The last thing I want to say is feminist icon. Agatha! K Plumber Aka. Earth a kits character. Agatha Chris. I was like. Is this an Agatha Christie reference? What is Earth Kid doing in there I like I? Don't know but one of the few lines of dialogue she has is. She's talking on the phone with someone and she says I have the secret of life. You simply crawl into your bed and never ever leave it again. Which in the quarantine? been doing so, thank you British or for that. Agatha K I'm just like I feel like it's an especially because it's like a female mystery story like this has to be some weird Agatha Christie. At least reference I guess. Yeah. MAYBE NO SHRUG Does Harriet the spy past the Bechtel tests by any chance. Yeah all the time. Lots of different combinations of characters Harry talks to Golly to Janey to her mom to her teacher to Marianne. Yeah lots of different combinations of characters and they're. They're not talking about boys sermon hardly ever, and there's also non Harriet Kambas to like rainy talks to her mom. Marian talks to Rachel and there's yeah. There's a lot of good this this. Handle a pass the test, but -solutely. Let's rated on her nipples scales zero to five nipples based on its representation of women. I would I would give this I think like a four I'll take some points off for the very nine nineties punching down humor in language that we see here and there especially because I read that in the book, it's an Italian family that she spies on its the disantle family so the station deliberately changed it to the Hong Phat family and then made Harry. It'd be kind of racist, so you know. You don't get a nipple for that. You don't get for that also just like I mean even though the movie does address class, it is still like and here's this. You know wealthy white girl and her story. Because that's the story that you know, we feel needs to be told more than other people's stories, so you know not not a perfect film or story, but I I do think. Think that much closer than most movies we've covered foreshore. I'll give it. Four apples I'll give one to Janey okay. I'll give one to johnny the character anal- give one to Vanessa Chester thanks again so much to her for chatting with us and giving her input I will give one to your voice. Jonah, that is present in the playground or the you know the various scenes. And I'll give one to Harriet. No, actually I'm GONNA give my fourth nipple to Earth, a kit and her just wanting to stay in bed for the rest of her life can relate. Yeah I'M GONNA. Go with for Nipples on this too I think for nineteen. ninety-six movie does very well, but still has as we discussed it has its shortcomings has its dated nece, and it has as most children's media, a fixation on rich white family above any other family, it loses the nipple for that, but in terms of creating a fleshed out not hyper sexualize female character that makes mistakes that learned from those mistakes, maybe not as mistake. Many mistakes as we would have liked, but more than I expected to be honest. Yeah dislike has a full life in is allowed to fuck up and learn and have interests that are not hyper feminine, and and Eat Menes sandwiches and shit like it's all great and and I do general. I like the small class commentary I mean you know probably could go a little further, but I it's a great movie. I really like it I like it. It super. Hold up in in most ways so I'll give one nipple to Jainism Nisshin Voice. Give one nipple to Michelle. Trachtenberg one to Vanessa Chester and I'll I'll complete earth kits set. Give her give her another net incredible. Jenna. What about you yeah I would give it four nipples. One Nipple definitely does not get given any any attention. Yeah for you know the little. A I don't WanNa. Call them slip ups. Shortcomings with the. US Socioeconomic class and this young girl of really who has quite a lot of privilege, but I do I do want to say like. I give the four four. The representation for kids and females to be specific young girls who like Harriet have. Sort of found their purpose in the world in a way like as a writer, and is just trying to figure out where it fits in the world, and to have a kid who has purpose I think that's why we you know. As kids related to her I at least I did as a young girl who had a purpose to work. I wanted her purpose in that moment in time, and I think that was not an still is not represented enough in media, so I definitely give. The nipples to rosy to Jake. Cameron to Michelle and to Vanessa. Jenner. Thank you so much for being here for joining us today last. Thanks for having me so much fun to. Break down the at the spot I'm this. Louis but would you like to plug? Yeah, I'm I'm mainly on instagram at Josh quits, and my last name is spelled. US H. W. I t. z.. Yeah, we have. I have a podcast called Shonan Glee podcast. You can find out where refined podcasts on spotify apple, podcasts, and podcast one and yeah, that's that's pretty much some I didn't mention before, but I am Glee Stan. Scene! 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Crisis on Infinite Earths: Parts 4 & 5

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Crisis on Infinite Earths: Parts 4 & 5

"Yeah hello again. Everyone welcome come back to the Phantom Zone podcast. I wanted to co host Charles skaggs back in the phantom zone once again ready. Ready to talk are parts four and five of crisis on infinite earths the CW era verse. Crossover and I'm joined of course by my wonderful FOCO host Jesse Jackson. How're you doing? Jesse I am great Charles Ready to kind of wrap this up. It's been a the Fun Crossover that's we've been waiting for a long time and so I'm really looking forward to talking to you about it but you could not talk crisis. No just you and I know because if you remember just a few episodes ago at episode one seventy two we were joined once again by are wonderful friend from Milan. Italy Joining us all the way. Thanks to the magic of the interwebs Of course you know him from the Oh you whiskey and cigarette show and the wonderful happiness in darkness. podcast where both Jesse and I have been kind enough enough or at least nick was kind enough to invite us on there to talk comic book movies so Please welcome once again back to the Phantom Zone DJ. Nick Hey guys will thank you so much for having me back and yes indeed. I wonder if we'll be talking to you again. I believe it's the first time they guys get to talk to each other. In Twenty Twenty Zeke. Yes yes it is so it is yes happy new year indeed. Happy Belated New Year. Yes thank you so much. y'All sites wonderful to be hits. They welcome to the Roaring Twenty S. Nick thank you all right. So so here are big episode. One seventy five live. We are GONNA talk of course crisis on infinite earths parts foreign five The final two parts of the big five episode. CW Era Verse Crossover that ended back in December With a nice little cliffhanger and here we are finally a month later we get to talk about it and which of course took place place on with Arrow Episode Eight of the eighth season and There was part four and then of course picking ending during the The story line with a special episode of legends of Tomorrow Right before the fifth season starts so it's essentially like episodes zero of season five where we talked crisis on infinite earths part five and before we get started. I WANNA kinda get everybody's general general feel for these final two parts Jesse kind of know your thoughts on this but But let's let's go with you I and Just kind of give us a general your general reaction to these final two chapters so Charles and I have talked tweet recorded a An earlier we did a doctor. Who podcast tonight shared with them? That was a little disappointed in the episodes. I re watched them today. Ah Yes I'm like them a little bit more good but but still I think the I think that the last two episodes suffered and they were not as good as the first three. Okay Nick how about you what are your. What's is your general? Take on the last two chapters. Well it's interesting that the Jesse said that because I'm kind of I kind of feel the same way as it was nice. It was a nice ending but a little bit underwhelming at the same time. I mean I think there were quite a few threads left bare as it were and I think you know we have this great great buildup doubled up to something that seemed like. It's incredibly epic and I think it fell slightly flat. I loved it I enjoyed it and I'm looking inside. Didn't enjoy but at the same same time I would have expected something a little bit more seeing. How positive the PR? The pro. The prayed wasn't a thirsty episodes. Right right yeah I mean I I get where you guys are coming from totally feel that for me. Personally I think the show I think the final two parts suffered it from having that that month long gap I think I think It kind of like took away from the momentum that gap. I get why they did because they kind of wanted to have a little bit of a cliffhanger and obviously if you read monthly comic books you know you're kind of used to that having to wait wait a month to find out what happens next but I think the momentum suffered as a result and I think the decision to end it with a legends of tomorrow. Ro episode which if you watch legends of tomorrow you know that show can be slightly bunkers so we say and so oh. I don't think it quite ended on the note it would have had this been say supergirl or the flash for a final chapter. Yeah I have a question yet. Rosedale did so did. That's my opinion go. I think that's good but is was there one committee that wrote all five episodes or did each riding staff right the individual individual episodes because In fact in my mind they did not feel that different so I did not just because it was a a legends episode. I didn't feel like it was a little different except for the stupid. You know Viva walking around Really Know L.. Who Hates Bebo? Come on man yeah. Well it's not like I'm you know. Criticizing Canine No. No no because then we would have to throw down yes it would be alone Charles. I've got back you up. Nobody this is take my wife and my wife Lori would just take you down in a heart she did she. Did you know people call you out for that all right. Yeah I wonder was was it. You know if you noticed that same writers. It was kind of the you know the staff writers writing each episode now. Supposedly there was writer's room overseen by Argon. hyme okay was kind of like shepherding. The event But but if you kind of notice ero isn't exactly known for its writing and especially in the later seasons you know like after say season three the onward The writing has been. Shall we say pretty poor and a lot of times. You know every so often we get a great episode and I'm not going to discount that but generally generally The writing has been substandard and I think Guggenheim has been part of that and so so he co wrote. S- Co writes part four. Four but LEGISLA. Tomorrow you know show that you know it. It's more quirky key. It's beat it doesn't take itself as seriously as the others other air over shows so consequently in and I think that that was carried through where you got with things like the giant Biba. And we'll talk about that when we talk about the legends episode. Because we're going to break down each episode but but I think There was a little too much of that legends. Feel and. I don't think it was nearly as epic as it could could've been In the legends chapter in my opinion not that it was bad but it could have been a lot better in my opinion. But then we'll talk about that so we'll get everybody's take because I'm sure everybody's got their own thoughts about this as we run this down so So without any further do then why don't we go ahead and start. You're talking about ero episode. Eight of season eight crisis on infinite earths part for that air it of course on January fourteenth twenty not twenty so trying to get used to saying twenty twenty and my podcasts written. By and this was I thought was rather rather awesome written by Marv Wolfman and Marc Guggenheim now. Of course MARV Wolfman the writer of crisis on infinite earths plotting thing that of course with George Perez and his his artistic co-creator on that series but How cool was it to have crisis on infinite? Earths Marv Wolfman c'mon writing a chapter of the crisis on infinite. Earths air overs. Crossover pretty cool. I thought I yeah I it was nice and was nice for that cameo. We'll talk I was looking for George Indeed So but I'm focusing on the niceness of it not I would have awesome like the scene. You know George Cameo. I would've liked to seen George Perez get a cameo as well. George had some medical issues if If you're familiar with him at all these days So I'm I'm guessing that's probably why we didn't see him on screen but probably makes. Yeah so maybe. He just didn't feel up to appearing or something sure he was asked. I would have been very surprised because they know he and mark get along so I don't think there's any bad blood there as as far as I know anyway not at all so so that's probably why my guess anyway so this up so directed by Glenn Winter directed a lot of the big budget episodes For the Arrow verse and This one I've obviously where you have Oliver is the specter throwing down with the Anti Monitor. No exception and Getting love to get everybody's thoughts about this. So Gentlemen Let's start. Start with Nick. I Nicolai any initial thoughts about part four before I start throwing out some topics to tie. Think of AVISTA. These two loss to episodes in this was the better one for sure I didn't I I do. I do have some nitpicks on this which I'm sure we will discuss discuss. But all in all if I were to compare the these DOS to absence. This was the better of the two hawks. Yeah I agree with that. And just how about you initial thoughts about this work. I think it's slightly better. I think The the ending of number five Kinda helps offspring it up a little bit right so It is a big episode because we need this. We get the death of a major character in this episode. I mean how many how many more times Rian have Oliver Dye. Well I mean that's I mean presumably. This'll be because there's only a two more episodes of Arrow you know what I'm saying. We've had the big death in episode one right and now we're having a second death and I'm supposed to okay. You can only go to the wall so many times. I think that's one of the reasons why I like. Okay that's you're you're you're cheating all right. If we were supposed to be sad that he died aide then Why are we now? Oh He's comeback as a spectrum now he's died again. I just think that was not well. Served well If you remember when we talked our our first parts one two and three. I threw out the idea that hey I was gonna come back with the specter because he has to throw down with the Anti Time Monitor he has to be the one to take him down. And that's that's what happens is you didn't like to fight not worth anything. Yeah okay okay all right all right so We kind of start this episode off with the origin. A little bit of the The Monitor we can get a little story here. We get An actress named Melanie Murkowski as ex Novo presumably ably his wife and who is a fellow scientists and essentially if you read the original crisis on infinite earths comic you know that there's a a character named krona. Who is a major part of that where we see krona? He was a scientist experimenting. Going reaching all the way back to the dawn of time. And it's that act which kind of unleashes the anti monitor the Anti Monitor Anti Matter Universe. So in the era overs continuity we have the monitor essentially his creation which also creates the Anti Monitor is there is is the cause of this instead of krona? And so nick. What any thoughts about what you thought about the origin for the Monitor? Well I will have to say that as soon as I'm sure just like you guys who know the comics as soon as I heard the word. Multi billion. Yen's a huge coal whole green lantern heartstrings. Right knowing of course that is the race of the at the gardens of the universe. Not Shooting I was hoping to see some of our little blue friends but I guess you you know. Obviously they probably evolved and became the new blue men later. Yes but I was an interesting origin for. It's not like the fact they did introduce the concept of off the mouth Then maybe give some leeway for the Green Lantern TV series which apparently should be coming out in H on. HBO Friday retire this year when you cut win future so I really really liked that. I liked by Kobe. They did introduce this concept to us. It was a it was a nice introduction. I think it was the relationship between the two. I thought was nice but I think it was a little bit rushed. We'd like okay. Look you before. He became became the monitoring. He had a wife and he was married and he was happy in Wisconsin but it was kind of very very quick paced and we didn't really get too much time to spend with bed at at the same time so it was was nice but it could have been maybe built upon a little bit more oil. Don't even put a character like that and just say he was a scientist. He was working on this stuff. Stop in and then he became the monitor the end up creating the anti us. I think her character was a little bit superfluous on in narrative. Speaking so so so even though. It kind of gave us the backstory for the Monitor. You would have been willing to sacrifice that to focus on other things I would have. Yes because I feel feel that when you you putting stuff like this in you could have done other. You know something to make story even more competitive the origin of the character. But you know. Maybe you quick flashback or something executive there was this guy and he was in exploring space and stuff we happens happens to open the gateway to he was at the door to time in the end up opening gateway to the Anti Matter Universe and thus creating the team on its something kind of more snappy to to get us to where we are. I'm sure everybody waiting a month for this new episode friends who I think we should. We definitely WanNa get the good stuff as soon as possible. Right right that makes sense to me perfectly so Just any thoughts about the origin of the Monitor. So I am so so glad you went there nick because originally when you're talking about the background story I was going I I just I'm just GonNa be comfy grumpy this time like you kind of got in that. I didn't care we didn't need that. I feel like it was a waste of time. It was like Oh we have have to give this origin because it's important in the comic. No it's not we don't need to know that okay there. You know. There's a problem with time. We don't have to have the reason reason I I just feel like it was. Do you think they would have got crap from fans if they hadn't included you're GONNA get crap no matter what they do and so this in and that's what it feels like. Well we're going to do this just because we know we're going to get crab that no one. Okay explain to that because you know. Ah I would've rather take that six minutes and I timed it. I was watching it and I went. Okay I can see just the Stop Watch going on the DVR. It shows how far it is. Yes and you go I would rather that five or six minutes showing other worlds. That were back you know like at the very end of this episode. We get seeing what the world's that they they left it very unclear. You're on what exists in the multi verse in what doesn't get you know why doesn't happen until par-five but yeah yeah I've got the no hard four worlds right at the very into four. You see all the different worlds. That's that's par five. Okay Trust me on this. Trust me on this. That's that's kind of how they N.. Things by showing you the different worlds. Yeah this is true. Yeah all right okay so but it doesn't matter near neither here nor there so So yeah that I I get your point I get it and so it's just what yeah it's one of the things that You know could have been time spent better on other things. Thanks so what both of you are saying. Yeah I think so okay. And that's fair. I think that's a fair point all right with it. Did you feel like you needed that because it because as I feel like you like these two episodes a lot more than I did well and that's good. I'm really glad I did. You know you and I've talked about this right. You and I are never going to be unhappy that someone really loved something. Yes you know. That doesn't affect us So if you liked it more. I'm so happy for you. Okay well yeah I mean I enjoyed it because I kinda taken into consideration. Well okay. It's the the TV version it's the CW TV version of crisis. It's not going to be perfect. It's not gonNA be like I want it to be and so I kind of give it a little more more slack as a result I I guess I didn't need it to be perfect and I didn't need it. I just needed it to be better than it was. I needed it to be good. Okay and not just don't feel like it was good. Okay all right. That's fair perfectly entitled to your opinion all right so we catch Gotcha with our paragon. who were kind of left Hanging out at vanishing point at the as the cliffhanger of part three and on in essentially they're kind of spinning their wheels Ryan Choi who is essentially our human perspective in this is is writing letters to his vanish. Wife about how they're all dealing with things and he's like grown out a beard we find out. It's been a month since they're hanging out I gotta wonder who's been doing their laundry because they've been wearing the same costumes for a month apparently and Finally Bury shows up and apparently he's it's You know. Apparently he's been gone for months but for him. It was like like seconds and because he kept trying to go into the speed force with no luck and so they were kind of left. They're still spinning their wheels. A little bit and and finally Oliver shows up as the spectre and he kinda reveals that the speed force's. Hey that's the key to saving everybody. And everybody Kinda reacts to seeing Oliver as the spectre so any thoughts from anybody about out Oliver showing up the specter. I Know Jesse you know you're probably seemed like you had a problem with it. Considering that he died you know already previously previously. Oh no I'd like to miss the Specter I that was a really nice twist you know It was green lantern in a in the past. Yeah no couch role would how Jordan died. Yes so I thought this was a really nice way And I actually thought that I thought what you should do is keep him alive and then have him either. Die Or continue to be the spectra in the next two episodes of errol that we're GONNA see. I don't think they needed to wrap this up the way they did in in crisis so I have no problem with him being the specter. And I like everything about that and going back and seeing it and the whole touching touching berry on the forehead and like booth. Now you've got extra powers all that's super. Yeah the execution though of the very ending I was like I just. It didn't leave me if they wanted me to be sad. It didn't work for me. Okay all right. Connect any thoughts on seeing Oliver's the specter. Well I'm a huge fan of the specter so I was very happy to see. I think they did a good job when it came to uh Stephen the male played this particular Character because it needs a certain Gravitas to it and we know that sometimes Stephen Lamelo oh you know his acting can you know it kind of is hit and miss but I think in this case he rating nailed it because it was very straight it was the way you'd want the specter to be around. It was really really cool. Well I go in general when you're talking about describing the whole scene of our heroes kind of being the wheels spinning and stuff from their kind of just waiting around. I kind of got a beginning of end game in the worst kind of beating. You know it's like the aftermath of what just happened and everybody's super depressed and stuff and I think there are lots of similarities between this and endgame it especially the role that some stephen a melon and all plays in this because Tony Stock then ends up being the committing the alternate sacrifice to save the rest to save everybody so I think that was over that. I'm not saying this Saturday that they were trying to copy what was happening in endgame but it was I. I had that probably bias having no in game still my mind but other than that I love the atmosphere and I was a big fan of of the specter. What about you Charles caused do like it? I always loved the Specter. I thought he was. He's been a very cool character. He was you know Co created by Jerry Siegel who co created Superman so he now. It's a character. There's been around a long long time very powerful character. And when he's written he can be a very cool character and the familiar with of course with with how Jordan becoming the specter during the whole day of judgment miniseries and that kind of like follow up spectre after series that lasted a couple years with with house the Specter before they decided. Okay well you need to back lantern and to kind of redeem him a little bit after that whole para lacks thing so so it was a nice twist to have oliver do that here in and discontinuity and you know like when I talked about it before that It makes perfect sense because Oliver since this is kind of his final saga And the plan from what I understand was that it was always Oliver was going to die in crisis that was the plan and so You know with the with the Arrow show there's still a couple of episodes left The next episode is supposed to be like the green air on the canaries back door pilot. So that doesn't really count and I'm sure the final episode. It's going to be more of a kind of epilogue to the series as we kind of right out the remaining characters and probably you'll get a voice over or something from Stephen Mel so essentially this is his final story. This is how he wraps up. And you know crisis the original comic was the kind that that you know. Had Two big desks with supergirl and the flash and so here we get Arrow Green Arrow but he comes back just briefly as the spectre just to take out the NFL monitor before he dies again and I thought like you said Nick I think Stephen. A male stepped up He kind of gave the specter a little bit more of a different personality than he gave Oliver Queen. I thought you know that he's more cosmic we cosmic Louis aware. Then of course Oliver would be so he's he's probably has a more obviously a more different approach but still felt like Stephen and Mel. Because hey it's the same actor doing it right and so you know it just it kind of It it it makes sense and In any kind of drive things forward because we're driving toward that that big spectrum versus Anti Monitor air clash in this episode. All right so Next topic I want to talk about just really quickly. You know we have we pick up from here They come up with a plan to find Mar Nobu and essentially the team Kinda splits up We have Half the team going tumultous To try to stop more new from becoming the monitor and you know creating the anti monitor the process and the rest Trying to We have berry trying to run around the speed forest trying to to bring everyone together and so we kind of find we find that characters are being held together there by the spectre and just like in the comics and we have some nice little scenes and we have at this great scene where berry literally runs into another flash so we kind of have a flash of two worlds thing and that's a big one is a big cameo where we get Grant Guston's flash meeting. Ezra Miller is flash from Justice League. So go with Nick. I because I know he's my fellow L.. A. Flash Fan and nick. Wh What did you think of grant Guston's flash meeting those flash to be honest. This was really really happy. I mean I know that when we had actually talked about as Ramallah being the flashing happiness. And you'd be a positive. That's Charles. I liked liked this this this flash but at the same time I was thinking to myself. He is Hummus surprised when he when the name flashes uttered. So we're thinking and he has the costume so are the hasn't given himself a name yet right all. He doesn't go on but the two worked so well together. And here I think is where also also Ezra Miller is more comedic side which was rather berated than disliked in the Justice League. Movie shines which makes sense because he you can be funny. It's like oh you want to sell bro. I didn't know that this was caused play or the kind of thing it was. It was great fun it was like if I could. They you know noted there was a nod to the DC while saying we also acknowledging these you exists and to get as Romila. You have to think that they really have to make. Plus we stretch the budget to have him come on and make an appearance you know as we may be used to seeing him on the big screen on TV that much anymore. So I love. I absolutely loved it. I think to act as must have had a blast as well. Yeah from what I understand. They had they made sure grant was cool with the idea of the cameo before they did. Hit it. And but Yeah it seems like they got along pretty well. At least it came off that way and the scene so Jesse. What were your thoughts about that that that crossover so I'm about to lose my DC badge? Because I did not recognize who it was I I was like doc is I guess this is supposed to be someone we know. Yes You know I haven't Bree Watch Justice League probably you know probably out. Yeah so from your mind just like And and so I didn't recognize them. It wasn't until afterwards when I was reading eating in everyone was talking about. Oh that was the coolest cameo ever and I'm like Oh oh that's who it was and so When I watched it again today Appreciate now more. I didn't I mean I guess it's cool that the DC universe send films is met the TV but it just is too. It's it's too Meta it it just doesn't I mean I mean I don't know I think it would have worked better. Maybe when we were doing the other cameos like in the first three episodes Yeah so I was not impressed west at all it just it. It isn't something that I would. Oh that's so slick it was like okay. I guess that was nice and and I also this is going to sound horrible. I mean how big of a guy actor is this guy I mean. He's played the flash and the jubilee but I mean it isn't isn't like it's you know and you know and also the fantastic beasts movie better piece movies. Yeah but he's not the huge name no but But you know it's it's kind of it's kind of Nice that this is the first real crossover between the DC EU. Do anything else really. And so they ought to be like an act of God at Warner Brothers to make this happen and so it's from a from a you know of someone who's been watching this stuff. It feels like at least to me. It feels like a big deal once again. I am thrilled. It's a big deal that you guys that makes me very well and I and I like the fact that you know there was there was a fun little. That's one of my quotes Or you know you've got the two flashes comparing their costumes and I thought that was find. especially it's kind of like a little bit dig on as reflect Ezra's flash costume being this clunky armor compared compared to grants comfy costume and and I thought that was rather fun. So I'm glad I was. I appreciate that Ezra was willing to do it. I'm glad that grant was willing to do it and It's just a fun little nod for fans. I thought all right. So we catch up supergirl finds LEX and who's apparently reveals her. Uh Hey surprise. I've been working on universal domination plan and I've got powers because hey awesome and there's a nice little throw down a very quick and then We have Berry still working around his way looking looking for people he shows up you know he kind of crosses into the else world's crossover for a little bit which was kind of Nice because he's there at scene that he didn't have have a party in in that one and that was Kinda Nice watching. You Know Superman Catch Lois and all that and so that was good Any thoughts about You know the various You know the little any Any thoughts about the various little. MM speed force reminding everybody catching up with the way things are in this kind of spectator verse. So I'm going to bring up something that I hope doesn't come across as Jerky okay but too late. Maybe there's been a historically historically Kalihi. Yes when we discuss shows yes you do not go through the plot by plot you go through themes yeah because there are things to discuss us yes there are no themes in this episode. There is no topics. So you're having to go plot by plot which I think is a very the reason and why this is not a good episode. It is not got enough depth. I talk about an overall theme instead. You're having to kind of go through the stories and I think that's a sign of why this is week. Okay well I think because there's just so many characters and so many things going on and maybe Eh. Yeah I mean. That's that's the way I think I had their approach. We I mean we could break this down into like okay No no you're leading. I'm just saying that like I said I went in wanting to love it. It's just it's not bad I certainly. It's it's not gods monsters you know my love yes exactly all right all right go on doctor who okay. Now I'm afraid to continue on all right as they go trepidation reputation Asli into the good night. Let's see so We kinda get the spectra giving everybody a pep talk and and this leads us of course to the big battle so Oliver vs Oliver Specter. Wherever you want to call him versus the the Anti Monitor anybody any thoughts about that big battle okay? Well at the battle of the battle for reality itself well Charles House if I if I made the first thing I wanted to actually say was. You've mentioned the about some team that we got with John. Criers next looser. And I would just like this. Make a small mentioned saying that I think in these two episodes Joan cry to me is one of the. MVP's of these episodes. Because I think he's he's fantastic. He really is a great next bear in mind. I'm fresh off Batman v Superman. Sir Jesse Eisenberg's lex luther up so it was actually wonderful to see this kind of lex luther. Because I've had my problems with Jesse Eisenberg gots another story but join you and everybody else but John Cryan. I think it's definitely the MVP in this in these two episodes when it came to the battle. I two words to brief. That's what I think is was was my the problem with it. In the sense I felt the answering onto was dispatched to easily gronk. Even in the comex he gets the defeated and then he comes back so I figured that was what they were going to do with this series too but it just seems to quick fade to happen. As soon as the bats will happen. I was so excited in seeing super. Go flying hang off the flash rushing erasing. This is what I would like to someday. See the Justice League film. This is how a battle should be. But the the battle between tweeting them The Specter and the Anti Monitor. Yeah it was good but other study was way too quick. And we'll so what's with people just staring and making taking something happened in seeing nothing that we understand what is going on. Let's put our powers together. You know kind of thing. They just standing in line staring and something happens. You're like what was that. I stare at stuff. But that doesn't happen to me so it does my big gripe with that was funded like I said. I think it was just was to brief Either on Jesse has things happens to. I'm sure it I'm sure it is go for it. Yeah I didn't think it was That impressive mm-hmm you know we're fighting. It looks like bad spirits from you. Know Harry Potter's world. What did this call the shadow demon? Yeah Yeah what did they the mentors. Yeah I just wasn't impressed with it I read but those are from Christ the crisis comic book so once again boy. You don't put them. The world's our fans are gonNA. Joe Are going to be unhappy if if you're gonNA adapt crisis at the F.. Crisis Yeah I just I just. Didn't I wasn't impressed with it And I I do get if I did think it was the funny. I hadn't thought of this still nick said it but yes all our heroes stood on the hillside and saying I'd like to By the world and they're like teach the world there's a timely reference. Yes They I mean they're all just like we're all going going to think positive thoughts even right the most evil of Super Villains That was a good line races. So that's what it feels like to be a hero Yeah Yeah you know it was just you. I'm going to hush up now and let you guys talk because I'm just GonNa keep going me okay. Well thanks to Mr Excitement there for that all right I get it I you know the battle. I agree that could have been a lot better. I think I think if you're gonNA take anything away you should have taken away from early on in the episode where the heroes these are doing like Nixon and I thought it was a very astute observation doing that whole end game reset where we're all Kinda mopey. We feeling hopeless and yeah I think I would have taken at least a good five minutes away from that and redirected it toward this fight and maybe by this point. The budget was starting to run out. I don't know So maybe they kind of had to rush through this a little bit but But I think it would have been to have more impact and and I think again. This is Guggenheim. I have problems with his writing If he you know we've talked about when caroline and I were doing the Phantom Zone podcast we used to talk about many an Arrow episode. That could have been executed better and this is probably one of those that could have been executed better but ultimately we get the result that we were looking for for it opens up and essentially what we have is a DC rebirth and which is something that should be familiar to a lot of modern fans and and the universe gets reborn and Oliver in the process is the spark for that and he gives his is life to kind of jump. Start the new. DC Air overs universe multi-diverse and dies at last one one final time and he dies in an episode so instead of dying in say you know bat woman or they did before so he's so he's actually finally pay off to the Arrow viewers Jesse raises. And as or like you getting being married when it's not your when you're right yes talk you. I remember I was very frustrated with this. No I Like why can't bury an Irish get married in their own flash episode. Why yes? It is without Felicity jumping all over it. Yeah I I do think that's It is nice that they're going to give him an ending Dean And like I said I wasn't overly emotional with it though. I do like it but it does seem I am glad they talk about it. And I think it's it's in the next episode where the Aero crew are all upset. They were there at the ending. They find out what has so. We'll talk about that and I think that was a fee. I think that was I think that was is sharing some frustrations that fans may have And actually being true the characters I think diggle would have been happy happy. He would have been unhappy. He would have been. I should have been there. I should have been a decide. Even if I didn't make a difference you know my brother shouldn't have to die alone so we'll talk next episode but yeah yeah it was But you know he helps save the day and you know and that's that's cool. Yeah You you know and we know this might have been how stephen a male wanted to go out to. Yes so we have to kind of take that into account I think because As far as they know he wasn't unhappy with the way his character died. These there hasn't been any reports that he was unhappy. All right anything else about this part for from anybody he say's that maybe Oz Rick Chow's character could have been used to deal with better because you really like you didn't know what the heck he was doing and I was. I was like what are you doing here. Man I mean they gave them to do in the next episode but this one it just made no sense to have him here to be honest. They didn't they didn't know what to do with Kim. Yeah this like again Guggenheim. And maybe both men I don't know but But Yeah I didn't know what to do with him in this in this for this episode at least Favorite quotes anybody favorite quotes. They'd like to share on part four. I have a couple. Okay go for it. The what a minute I thought was very funny. Is Ryan saying lex. pull the Luther on that was good. Yeah go ahead. Oh all right I've got one. Obviously I had to do this one. the big Exchange between the DC extended universe flash and the air overs flash. Where they're comparing their costumes? And let's see I just for the sake of of to make it a little easier. I'll just say a miller. Flash says I like your outfit it seems comfy and the guston flash replies yours is pretty cool and Miller flash says smooth like he's touching he's starting to touch Britt and he's caressing car or something and and then guston's flash says yeah. He's looking at it over at Miller's costume at the armories stories like seems safe like keep kind of comparing and you're like admiring the others and then and then finally Miller says yeah it's yours is breathable. It's breathable yes so so. I thought that was rather cute. Because they're kind of doing this at the same time so it's a little hard for me to do that but but this kind of back and forth and I just it was kind ed nice to see the two berries Interacting at never gets old to make no. I thought that was really well done. I agree Especially especially when I knew who it was. You know it's like yeah that was great Another good one. y'All go ahead go ahead go. Another one is an and I actually I thought Ryan heads of good lines in considering how chaotic and how full the cast is it. Pretty well but he's you know he's doing the narration and Narc Knock Grist Social Patterson Evil Genius there are ways to describe lex Luther and then you hear lex luther out loud idiot. Why couldn't I be trapped at the edge of attorney with someone possessing assessing more than two hundred points and Ryan goes? But I find you spag be the most descriptive I want a lot. There was good nick. Can he quotes. You'd like to share. Well I did mention Joan cry earlier being the MVP and he had some wonderful lines. I think in this case in point the brave and the ball in the the board I think that was good. I loved it and also when now Chow's character comes in and goes you ruined the perfect bad guy plan. That was just the way he delivers the lines. I think is wonderful because they could seem very cheesy but just the way John Cryan delivers he's lines one right. Yeah I I still can't get over the fact that lex luther like nephew lenny. From Superman for the quest for peace has turned out to be the best onscreen LEX Luther. We've gotten so far. You know when he was on that after show this Kevin Smith and everything he he really came across how much he was excited to do. This and I agree. He has been really good and I'm probably wanted to redeem himself for Lenny. Yeah Yeah I've got one more before it. And and I'm there's a Oliver's big line. I hope you have that. So I'm GonNa do another one for you but once again Ryan I don't know about hope but you're definitely the paragon of pep talks and years of practice of one of the things I love about this series. He's and in this episode of just period is the optimism they show with supergirl. And that's it's a very it's very true to the spirit of Superman and super girl comics so I really like that. Yeah Yeah I think so. I'm going to end with a Oliver Queen Quote Nobody else has any others. They WANNA share but I'M GONNA Oliver says dying dying is easy. The dead are at peace the real heroes are the ones who have to keep going great and I thought that was a great quote. I do too you and I I loved how they re they re Berkeley on. Yes uh-huh yeah as as Oliver's actually dying Charles we're GONNA I'm GonNa let you give your rating. I okay okay. I'M GONNA give this one probably being very generous by the sound kind of it. I'm giving this one eight and a half out of ten Green Arrow's love and honor in honor of Oliver Queen. Good alright all right nick. I'm going to give this a six and a half out of ten Anti monitors. Oh okay yeah I thought my seven out of ten pages of of the book of destiny was going to be the low score so Yeah okay. Knicks the Knicks Knicks. He's he's European. So European judges are always talking for forever. Yes absolutely I also wanted to say though. My point five is given to the fact that I think it's just knee but the tuned lex whistles. Isn't that the same tune. That's LEX. lex Luther whistles in the quest piece yes it is nice not very slight very slight joke. Yes I Eddie catch that yes. All right Okay so let's move on Legislative tomorrow episodes zero of season season five crisis on infinite earths part five which also aired on January twenty. Excuse Me January fourteenth twenty twenty written by Shimazu and Yuba Mohammed directed by Gregory Smith and This one we have a few guests we've got of course MARV Wolfman s himself and which was a integrate cameo. We have to talk about that Cress Williams is black. Lightning being Rena hardesty as whether which role. Harare as Sargon the sorcerer and of course Benjamin Diskin doing the Voice of Bibo Abo- Bebo hugs all right so All right so Any general thoughts about the the final chapter of crisis. Go ahead Jesse. Okay okay. I like this one better okay. Partly because of the ending There there there is there is nothing there is that was just a cool ending ending I like Kinda how everything set up. And the whole The legends did not get a lot to do but but when they had them and kind of their self of aware joking about crossovers was funny. You know the whole did they kidnapped you. That's what they do. And you know like in cates like yeah I was the Newbie last time You know it was just it it. This was was. I thought a a better episode and maybe because they weren't trying to do necessarily a the battle addle to end all battles or stuff this one. I just thought it was a little better. Yeah that's that's fair Nick any general thoughts about this episode before he gets talking in Alamar details well just to give is very briefly. I did not like this episode as much as I like the first one and I will then go further into I detail. There were a few things that I really low rating things out of. That was very very happy with things I was like. Why are you doing in this? I mean please. Can we do something. That's here. I mean I have to say I was very tough when this episode. 'cause I love this stuff so much and sometimes you have to be a tough parents with the kids that you love because you want them to do well and sometimes you know I think it was very tough love on my part so sit for you all right nothing wrong with that. So I'm going to say I didn't like it as much and I will I will. I will show my writing as they say. Okay all right. That's fair that's right so let me tell you kind of set the table for this one really quickly. This is essentially the episode. Where we kind of see the fallout from part four and we were? We've woken up. It's a brand new earth and as we find out through the course of this episode. We're on what's we're not on earth one on anymore. We're on earth prime and just like a lot of us had predicted before crisis started. This was going to be crisis was is going to be used as the way to kind of merge the aero or aero verse Earth's so that the key characters would be on the same earth so they wouldn't have to do any like dimension hopping or you know using vibe or something to to interact with one another. They're all on the same earth and and every city you've got national city now in the same earth you've got free Lynn now on the same earth and we kind of pick up with that and the fallout from that because this new earth things are a little different. It's not the same old to kind of kind of it kind of rebirth in a in a rebirth way Where we kind of relaunch in in some things are different To set up some future storylines down the road on each individual series. First and foremost must we get we find out that. Hey on this version of earth prime lex luther is not a fugitive criminal. In fact. He's he's more like the lex that we know from. Say the John Byrne Era Superman where he's the very successful businessman this man who has a very public persona and is on the surface as well liked but of course we know he's secretly up to no good good and it's going to be up to the heroes to try to bring him down and I'm sure that's gotta be the main focus on supergirl and probably Superman and lois as we go forward. So any thoughts about lex luther The new LEX Luther I love hoped continuity. I loved it very much. I mean it made me think of kind of the Superman story. becomes presence of the United States and And so I I really love that you know I think it kind of also had the audience guessing a little bit as there. Was this old down to him. All did did Oliver live a wants to give him a fresh start to make him into a good guy. So you don't know until you get that wink from John Cry. I think like Aw. Aw It's you know. He must have rewritten himself. In some way will he must have had a hand in in changing himself and I thought it was wonderful in ooh Melissa. Benoist did a really good job in this. I think in her reaction to this in shock. and where everybody's like. She used to horrified by all this exactly. Like he's such such a great guy you know her in him and Lena two of your biggest supporters in stopping. She's just can't hack it and you don't you just as going crazy and deaf. Yes I love that and yes I was. I was a big fan of this. You loving the comics. The fact the coast areas that situation the comics do show. I was definitely very happy camper in this escapes. Can I kind of wonder what happened with Lena. That's Yucky. We'll find that out. Jesse how about you. What's your thoughts on new Luther? I love of the new Luther. I love the kind of weak The idea that everyone thinks he's a good guy and they admire him And that you know Cara remembers that. No I am very curious to see what they're going to do because One of the big story lines and Super Bowl. This season has been a lena being unhappy with them. So I think that is something. I'm looking forward to seeing But yeah I mean I don't and I agree with you. Nick You I know is this you know this is somehow him having that book of destiny has been able to let him. You know manipulate things and do that. So we'll see what happens. But I thought that was a nice twist and Kinda gives you as Ryder going forward. Something Fun to play with and it appears Jon. Cryer is is enjoying playing luthor. And he's like. Hey you know you guys want me to guest star and beyond this TV show. I'm I'm thrilled to be at which we're GONNA obviously see more of LEX. And he looks like he's going to be more brought into not just like a guest star. Status is going to be like he's going to be in the forefront for a while. Yeah and I like the idea you you know especially you're setting things up because we are going to have a a lois and Clark season episodes who though I think it's important to have You I need. You need lex in as a role in that. Yeah yeah and maybe. Maybe they're going to be using him to set up superman. Lois Esi okay but but Yeah and then one of the things we find out is that all the paragon apparently are they remember what things were like before our and that includes lax because he was one of the paragon aunts and so So lex remembers Earth. You know the multi verse before and I'm sure he's going to be using that to his advantage. Somehow yes absolutely. We'll see all right Next week at this wonderful cameo by Marv Wolfman as I I just comes up to supergirl and the flash learned that. Hey we live on the same earth now and you know he shows up as this autograph honor and that was a fun little cameo. I thought any any thoughts about MARV Wolfman Cameo as kind of had a purpose at least let everybody know. Let them know that they're on the same earth now. Yeah I thought it was a really well. I thought how perfect that The writer of the original national crisis and so much of of this mythos has been based on a lot of his work one of the icons John's of modern. DC writing Is it was great to see him and As a longtime T- we knew teen Titan Fan. I also I also thought and this is just for you and I- Charles Leah would have been going you're burnt-out you suck. She would've been yelling at the TV service. Yes yeah unfortunately. Our late Lindley elite friend. Elliot Ezio back back in the day back in the ninety s when we're all part of the Titan Talk APPA Amateur Press Association Fan Group and Yeah we we. We had a few interesting thoughts about MARV. Wolfman is writing back then and this is of course during the nineties during the eighties when he was with George Perez and so But you know it's it's Kinda you know. He's older now. So it's Kinda hard to hold grudges right. Yeah hold yeah no I really nice and especially now that you remind me fighting probably some health reasons Yes absolutely I would've loved it but at least Marvez able to yes absolutely. I agree so so yeah I would have been great if we had both but uh-huh understandable if there's medical reasons why George Pres- wasn't there I Nick any thoughts about Marsk Cameo on a huge fan of mob Wolfman is writing and he's created some of my all time favorite characters both in Mauve landing. The Caesar was wonderful to see him. I thought it was very the cool that they brought him in and said you know this is this is just the guy who created just a few characters were slight lead show in the comic. We'll so that was nice. They gave him his do and I certainly hope that when we get the new blades film they will do the same thing because marvel for those also creating blades. WHO's one of my this and I hope we might get to see him in the new blades films? welk's it'd be really really cool. That would be the thought because especially now that yeah the marvels got control blade. which is Great Now I thought this one I love the scene but I thought it was a kind of a missed the opportunity to not have mark going to both flash and supergirl. Didn't I kill both of you. Missed opportunity I agreements jogye. Yeah just like aren't you dead. I thought it was all right all right. So let's move on so We kind of pick up catching up all across We catch up in central city. We we catch up with team ero and T- marrow You know the essentially. We've got Sarah going around telling people along with John Jones Barsha manhunter filling people in telepathically and T Mero finds out that Oliver's dead and diggle especially does not take eh very. Well so what did everybody make of that. Jesse you want to go first on this. Yeah I The repercussions this felt more like an Arrow episodes in a legends of tomorrow and so I'm sure we will get more in the next two who episodes a barrel discussions but I thought Despite me not being emotionally moved by Oliver's is death I still like how they they talked about it and they respected and You know diggle has been such a great character from my perspective of from the very beginning when he was Oliver's bodyguard in how they figured it out and how they've worked worked together and when you know once it started with one there were two and then with felicity I I I was a little sad. That the real world interval wind and the actress who plays felicity is you you know has already left the show. So we didn't get. They talked about her but Sierra I I was a little sad about that but overall there's just nothing not to like like about that. Yeah I'm guessing. We're going to find out her reaction to Oliver's in the in the Your final episode guessing guessing. We'll we'll get. We'll get her reaction that all right and then nick any thoughts about About T- tomorrow's reaction to Oliver's death. I I thought it was actually beautiful. Women the actors literally acted their hearts out on this. And it'll be take. The emotion was so tangible and I loved it from everybody I am also huge fan of of jungle and I sincerely hope he will be where he will become green nonsense eventually. Because I'm so so so hoping because he's just was hoping for that. I was hoping for that crisis. Personally me too because it was seemed. Seems like they've been teasing us. Jon Stewart's Jones runs Kinda thing right But yes I I love. I love these guys I having you know. We've we've literally spent years with these characters and so they are part of our about shall we say. I don't think I say this exaggerates rates as part of our extended family almost zero so as I raise for felt for them you know from Diana to renate to everybody it was wonderful and you could. That's how they were really really sad and I think maybe also in the back of their minds they also thinking you know. This journey is coming to an end for US actors too. Because you you know it's it's Arrow is going to be ending and so some of these characters might not see again some. We might not but I think that was thinking that too that the is was there a coming a journey coming to a close so it was it was very bittersweet leather was one of the highlights of this episode. I thought I thought David Ramsay especially did a great job as diggle his reaction to finding out about our. Oh yes yeah I agree absolutely and hopefully. We'll get a bit a little bit more of that. That in the final episode. All right we get we Next thing that happens we get a giant Bibo attacking the city Where things take a very legends of TOMORROW TURN TURNS OUT? It's just a diversion for Sargon. The sorcerer robbing a bank and he gets quickly taken down I WANNA. I don't know if we need to spend any time on that. I just WANNA say as much I'm I was harassing that. Yes either there is something beautiful about that about a giant star. The rampaging down the main street I laughed so hard the first time they did it on legends and then yeah I feel like I couldn't believe they did it again. I was happy to see Sargon. You know the you you know that from the Golden Age and although he's a villain here yeah but You know in the comics so obviously a hero about this but yeah by far one of my favorite things about legends is. Roy has become the Jayne Cobb character on this and mcmurray wave anyway m being being very prolific where he is ended up being a romance novelist romance. Just there's nothing about that I don't love I just smile at that. Never gets old and to see him science it s Rebecca Silver. I that is actually one of my quotes his plume. Yeah absolutely all right nick and he thought about Bebo for move on well I I just felt it. Will I think you know how how myself how I feel and how you felt about this. I was kind of the whole so thing and they could have done something else instead of giving me by spos- agree being being allegience episode. They had to say oh you just what's remind mind you. This is a legend. I guess what we get Bebo and I was like what I mean. I hate to be so mean because I really love this guy. They're wondering you know upset any listeners. Businesses will make them think either. Love this stuff but I was ready kind of. I thought it was released. It was whether it's filler tracks on the album. That was my my thoughts but yes with it comes to dominic purcell. I mean I love the man to bits. He's always been my favorite legends and I was so glad he was there. Because you get so many chuck was he was the good good parts of the comedic. She we say parts that we got in this episode because Bebo we could have done without because done something else because it doesn't lead anywhere. That's that's what kinds of irradiated me. I love giant Bebo. But we didn't need to see giant Boeing this focus on the crisis. Well it's almost like they almost like. Yeah they were they were like. Hey we want everybody to get a good taste of legends. So they'll stick around for our season and I get as opposed to telling the crisis and I'm I'M GONNA I don't mean this in a bad way but I with you know. The rumor right back in. The day was when the Beatles recorded recorded albums like and we have to give Harrison George a song. You know it's like and George Harrison is a very talented songwriter. And you show all four of them. How successful they work? But it's the idea well to legend so we gotta do something silly elite instead of Okay let's just you because you had that in the vibe of the people well oil it's a crossover see you had that feel. You didn't need that nece necessarily I. I think yeah. And so and so so So we kind of pick back up with a crisis thing because hey turns out. Surprise the Anti Monitor's not dead after all and we kind of had to do our little mosh is to the crisis. Infant Earth number twelve. Cover where you had. All the superheros attacking the giant Anti Monitor. And so. That's what happens here. And you know. So he grows all giant norm giant-sized and There's a little bit of a throwdown. It's over pretty quickly as Ryan Choi. This is where Ryan finally steps up. He comes up with this plan. Like Hey we'll just shrink him into the Mike Reverse and that's how we'll deal with them because he'll be really really tiny and so the the plan goes off they are able trip down. Everything's good it's all done. John even with the shadow demons they go away. Everything's good and then we've kinda picked back up more with the after effects. Yeah so so. So so so this final climactic fight almost felt to me like an afterthought yeah I really right here with you. Yes Go L.. Had Net nick knight thoughts. Before we go to Jesse. If you gotta I would you know the word afterthought is the perfect word. It's Lhamo juiced juiced as the French would say because it is it is such an office. I mean supposed to this supposed to be like the the biggest by the ever lived. You know Brian Right dispatched like a bit of the week. You know it was just like what you building to destroy of world. What were you gonNA say Charles? Now I disagreeing with you. You know I mean this is like I said it's like the foul of DC also and yet he's he's they beat him so hello easily and it's like Yeah Ville the week raid. That's the VIBE. The I galt. And you'd think that the stakes would be a little bit high. Instead of everybody kind of rushing around him in kind of beating him and stuff you think they would take some sort of a beating yet. They don't just kind of Russia's saying what can we do. What can we do kind of thing? And you don't feel the the stakes are high. There's not really much tension even when they come up with with the bomb to To miniaturize and it just seems over just way too quickly. I just know energy as it were known sweepstakes that was my main gripe with this you just kind of going on that happened. Yeah exactly yeah and and and I don't know maybe it has been a long time since I've read crisis. So maybe that was supposed to happen. That they thought they defeated defeated him and then they didn't. That's what happened but it just once again. I don't think it would be better served if you take these is two episodes muster round where you get one final battle in episode five. They've like probably at the halfway point. You this massive battle you defeat him. You do the Shrink Ray. I mean who doesn't love Berry going. Okay here's the instructions like this. I guess that was great. And then you know okay. We've done that. Defeat them and then do you wrap up so I agree with you guys. I just don't think it was that it wasn't it. It doesn't flow as well and I think that's one of my. You know like we. We have oh we have to have two battles with the Anti Monitor and neither one of them. I thought were that impressive. Yeah and again. That's I think partially because it's a CW Arabic's budget so you're the candy. Ambition kind of exceeds the production capabilities. Ladies Charles for me character is what drives this thing and so there is a way to do this better. Yeah there are originally game of thrones was GonNa talk about they were Never GonNa show the battles so there is better writing you can do to you deal with your strengths and kind of downplay your challenges so figures figures crossed. HBO Does a crisis on Infinite series. Like they did watch there we go. Yes because that's that's the crisis that we all want need and deserve. I think amen all right all right. So let's see so we get more after-effects. The president addresses the nation does a nice little tribute to Oliver. So he's so he's publicly publicly redeemed in the eyes at last and I thought that was really. Well done I I was wondering who the actress was. I kept thinking this and and I had to look her up. She's she's been in a couple of things on nothing like it wasn't a cameo cameo she certainly could have been a cameo and I was kinda hoping that it would have been I would have liked to have some kind of cameo. I think that was a role that was dying for someone of significance to be the president would have been nice at least from my point maybe whatever scheduling didn't work out out so they gotta fill in actress. Yes she did a really good job as president so yeah that was very nice. Little touching We find out that the dig holes. I have two kids again. So Baby Sarah exists in this new New Earth Prime We have have lowest telling Clark to get home to their sons plural. And I'm kind of wondering what's up with that because we kind of figured. Well John Kent. The current super boy was one of them. So who's the other most so John is your bus. I would guess Jonathan Anything can't and then Jordan Jor el so we'll find we'll find Yes I and I wonder so. We have super sons. Oh yes which and I always. My mind goes to. How does that do that? How do you not remember? And then how do you remember that. And I can't remember what. Move Your what novel I wrote about. That said they explained that you you could remember both timelines kind of in your mind. Depending on which one you focused on and then sooner or later you just get used to the current currents You know story so John will always remember now that he has the two children that CAL will remember. They've got the two sons and so I'm excited because they weren't part of the One of the Paragon so ever as far as they're concerned this is all this is the way things have always been so then why I did because I think that was an error that that Lowest telling Superman and him seeing surprised by that I think that was an Arab because he wasn't one of the paragon remember so so so maybe that was like some of the rewrites. They didn't catch that. I'm guessing okay. All right and then and then we finally get this big nice little voice over from Oliver. Wear he's introducing explaining new multi verse and we. This is where we get to see all the new earth's and so we kinda focus. Now do the rundown here so we get we focus on earth to which is where star girl role so we have the justice society on Earth to at long last so they fix that problem. And that's obviously going to be explored on the star girl series. That's coming out so let me. There's not much to add but I just want to fan boy a minute. How cool was it to see the long shots of the different? You know the the the Justice Society character very well. We're GONNA see them on star girl too but how cool was that. It was like yeah. You may not be excited about star grow but You know it's got the JC. And I start. I think that gives me a reason to be excited because I'm a big Jay Z.. We we find out the titans are on earth nine so which is the they kind of establish that in part one but now they kind of reestablished apparently the green lanterns are now on earth twelve because we got a shot of Ohio. So I'm sure nick was pretty geeking out about out that I was so happy. And also have the guts to recognize the Green Lantern Film. Very do that. He actually used footage from in the film on the asset. So that was good Swamp thing turns out he's on Earth nineteen but hey is series cancelled so sex to be swamp thing Do Patrol they kind of established that the doom patrol and titans are now on separate earth so presumably. That's why I know in titans beast. Boy has his flashback. To the doom patrol we got to see the original Bruno by sheer chief as opposed to the Timothy Dalton. Chief so the so. There's there's a different doom patrol on earth nine apparently then on earth twenty one and then of course Earth Ninety six. We find out that hey brandon. routh Superman Is Back in this time. He his kingdom come. Superman has been redeemed. He's now rocking the red and yellow chest emblem as opposed to the red and in black. So that's kind of cool. And they did a wonderful. Oh my gosh to Christopher Reeve flying over the earth and and and resetting that so I thought that was nice. The only thing missing was him like a Lotta Times he would salute or something but yes the the ways. That was so smile. Did they play the John Williams Superman now the in my mind I heard it right. uh-huh maybe they did a little bit. Superman returns okay. Yes yes grand returns did react the at they reuse the William Score for that so all right In if we find that earth prime and on earth prime the heroes get together in very familiar hanger and save their final goodbye to Oliver and they have nice little Oliver Shrine. And he's got his glass costume in a glass case that that I'm sure Kate Kane. She looted the bat cave and got one of those glass cases that Bruce always has us for cost costumes for dead heroes and use that in a in an berry reveals. Hey we've got a table and this is a place where we can hang out out and and if there's ever another crisis like this and we even have a seat at the table for Green Arrow in a very retouching little tribute and What everybody thinks of that big moment kind of the they don't call the Justice League but essentially it's the first Justice League? So what did they make everybody make of that. Go ahead okay. I was going to be polite. I loved it Charles. Charles I mean it. All five hours are worse. All the things. I'm unhappy with to get that. Pay Off okay so even though there are things you didn't like and that was a good enough. Pay All the things that I really really liked. ACHED is I'm going why. This is the first time I watched it. I'm going. Why are they setting distribute attribute in this old abandoned warehouse? I I knew why yeah and I didn't and I'm like I watched the flash regularly like a like a religious i. Oh I do too but I mean I still like this just seems dumb and then to have Chris Williams Just his Chris. Chris Williams black lightning. He didn't get to do much during crisis but thankfully he's there he's gotta see at the table and hey he's got a TV show. So I love that scene where he just. I didn't know many. He silently kind of you know takes his fist. And pats you know Area on the shoulder like man. I got you man I got you and then the whole. How often does off good this? This happened like more than you think you know Kate doing. And I was the rookie last time. And to see all of them have their her chairs with their emblems and they're all included and And I and Sarah is there and you're like okay. Everyone has a place and Superman is just smiling being an thrill it just is a great so we have both Superman and super girl in this Justice League. Yeah and I I just loved it. I was so so so happy with it. I've gushed enough nick. Nick Nick how about you. What is your thoughts on this big moment? Well I have a lot to say about how this before. I do what they want to say. was I have a feeling that. They decided to cost. Eileen as the president because it was tied to Smallville because because she was Long Lang Stepmother in small bill. So I think that's why they chose or as good because of the absence. In absence of Tom. Welling and the other smallville highs I think they wanted someone from smallville Senate went with high suppose salons adoptive stepmother. Hamson that Said said I love this scene so much this is this is the scene. I think redeemed the episode. Fool me because I was kinda member. We will miss all waiting for us to kind auto get everybody together having sit at the table seeing all your heroes side by side kind of thing was beautiful and heck I gotta get myself one of those Chaz because because they ask they look gorgeous and actually pretty comfy too so I think I'm actually if they ever sell them I'm actually making because they're just beautiful and there was such a wonderful will hot will mean seen so absent this two bits all right all right and then I I thought it was great You know it's obviously this big moments it's Kinda Nice. You know I would have yes. It would have been nice if they had said okay. We're going to call ourselves the Justice League or something or at least we should show said he. You know we need name. Maybe maybe but hopefully we'll get that at some point You if not you know we don't but you know it's still. It was cool to see them there. I and I and I was glad that that you know we get to see you know characters like you know with white canary gets at the table. Even though she's usually travelling time cross this time with the legends and You know and and it was great having black lightning there and You know just it was just this great moment and then they go to the exterior and of course it looks a lot. Because that's star labs facility. There was the joke because it was like look a lot like super friends headquarters in the hall of Justice and so they start playing the super friends theme music and then they cut to and this is where. I thought they shouldn't have done this. They do this little nod to setting the table up revealing that. Oh you no I hear something. What is that in the roof or whatever and they hint that? Oh it's Khaliq balloon and I'm thinking and I'm thinking why did did you end with that. Yeah why didn't you just end with the table. And just pullback from that or you know with the exterior and then have this dramatic build up and in there but no because this is a legends episode we have to make it wacky and so they dig leak. I you know I had not thought about it being a legend episode. That's that's why they did that. I just thought it was a really bad decision I took away from the big moon. I agree with you. I thought and I really as you saw. Aw I'm applauding Charles's he's talking. I think I agree with you. If if we're rewriting often you know how much I love you I agree with you if you what would been perfect is you everyone swallow you cut to the outside you see. It's the super friends. It looks like friends and you hear Berry or Cara or someone say well. Are we going to call ourselves anything and then cut then if you wanted to play the Super Friends Music Music Yeah. I'm okay with that but you didn't need the silly joke about the space monkey. Yes you need that low nick. Any thoughts about glee. I agree with that too. I think bleak there was no point rating putting in but I suppose we as you guys were rightfully saying is alleged tomorrow episodes so they wanted to put in comedic elements. I mean heck. They could've done a captain America in this case and go what about justice boom and then you're kind of black green and credit right in all seated one of them is about to pronounce the Word Justice. And then you go you go to end credits that would Michael. How about and then cut to the cut to black? Yeah I think that would be much because like you said it ruined the perfect moments and own right. Pick on an epic notes. Don't give us the you can give us D.C. Another all the time. But this instance if I had been in the writer's room I would smack somebody and say no. We're not doing that. Take that off too. That's it's dumb. Take it off just end on a great strong note. Exactly that's me. That's what I would all right fair lines. I know we're running long so Everybody got any favorite lines. They want to talk about I just have a couple so go through both of them in that way you can go And just when the the MIC is at the book signing and who should I make this out to. I'm such a huge fan. Rebecca I mean what should I call you Rebecca's fine you know and then once again because I love Roy where are you from sparkles. Don't call me sparkles and this is black lightning. I'm from Free Lynn. Martin came and got him my head towed. y'All marsh marsh got in my head told your toge our all caught up. It's been a Weird Day and killer frost. That's an understatement. See There Chris enough of that so that it felt like a legends without having to do the extreme so those are the two I wrote that I just loved. Okay Nick and I'm going to couple that with once again with with Dominic going out against Bibo saying he ruined my book signing off. Ah those good just had me I was. I was just in stitches without well. That's that's probably that was the one that stood out most to be in this one anyway. That's that's great. That's great like when he went furball. I love that man. He's wonderful. Yeah yeah he's great dumper cells fantastic. I I like Sarah Talking With Rene Ramirez. You know while dog and Berry where Sarah's going how the hell did be bogut here and Rene Okay says isn't the more pressing question of why there is a giant Bebo walking down the street and Sarah says well this wouldn't be the first time it's a long story story and Berry says that's right. You know while he told us about the time you guys use those totems to turn yourself into a giant Bibo to fight a time demon and then Syra Kinda paused pause for a moment. Goes I guess. It's not a long story so I know that's a cliche. Yes but it always cracks me up when someone does that. And I'm sure there's a writer A A coach or a writer teacher that says do not go to that cliche. But when it's done right I just love that. That's a really long story blink. Okay maybe not that long. Yes Then Sarah Innate talking with Asia Where Sarah says? Yeah we've been busy. Saving multi-diverse goes you got Shanghaied into another crossover didn't you while in Sarah says Yeah Kinda in Asia goes WHOA WHOA. Did they kidnap. You and nate says this is a classical crossover move. We tell them we're too busy. They commit a felony guess and then of course Oliver Saying in the beginning there there was only one single black infinitude then the infinitude found release and then finally the darkness broke filling it with life with the multi-diverse every existence multiplied applied by the possibility by possibility and spread out before space and time an infinite measure civilizations rose and fell and rose again to cross realities grasping is being expanse life. A precious gift persevering in the face of every obstacle until finally the age of heroes was born. Love it nice night. Sorry I slip into that super friends theme music all right. I'm singing goes thank you for them. I think everybody missed my senior. been saying no no no my horrible saying all right so Everybody what you're ready for this one and Jesse I'M GONNA go with you. I this time so I like this a little bit more so I'm going to give it eight out of ten Superman Superman flyovers. Nice and Nick. How about you? I'm going to give this a seven out of ten justice. Chaz also we we cause you thought you said you didn't like it as much so discussing with US rating. I was going over the episode again again. I think maybe I was in the in in a bad mindset. I because of Bebo but now we talk you into it didn't we. Yeah exactly you're talking to tell you I cannot tell you nick. How often Charles's convince me either? Sometimes Times make me not like it as much usually. It's I like it more after talking to Charles. The man can sell ice to Eskimos. Yes okay so so what you're saying is I'm a used car sale now but I think also once again you can talking with folks in with you to particularly it you you kind of take the good with the baton so yes I mean I have to admit I was just going to a passing grade six hundred ten but thinking about the good stuff as well was over. Yeah I guess I can raise your raise up to that so yes head. Seven out of ten. It kind of sword stuck the landing they did they did with any of the. Do they set up the new circumstances. And we'll see how things payoff from all right so I and I give it eight out of ten new earth in the multi-diverse I so So we have a brand new multi verse and We'll see where it goes from here. All right all right so Fan of Fan Mail. Of course we don't have any because hey we've been kind of off and doing other stuff So let's talk about like If you WANNA reach us here at the Phantom Zone podcast We can reach us You can drop US line. FM Zone cast based on twitter. 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Seriously, He Must Be Stopped!

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Seriously, He Must Be Stopped!

"Way taco bells toasted. Cheddar do is back. Are you thinking what i'm thinking. They took to the lupu genius delicious. Nope and now comes in a box of cinema medium. drink outside. this is cool. we're all thinking. The five dollar toasted cheddar chiluba boxes back only at taco bell have limited participating locations for olympic replaces hours in participation vary tax extra food threes. John kobylt ken chiampou. Kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio app. mccolm five. We're i today. I'm hearing a new word not here in grim anymore word. I'm hearing every day. In many newscasts is staggering staggering staggering. Is the word. The drinking word staggered often is in regards. To the cases. The number of cases california of course now is the spotlight of the covid nineteen coverage in america particularly even southern california. But today i got blocked traffic when i went to pick up something Store and when. I got closer to see what it was. It was a clinic with copa testing. The people parked all over the street blocked some lanes and then i looked it was a long line out the door people waiting to be. I'd never seen that before. And i'd pass this business. It's one of those emergency care clinics been standing in line. Oh oh yeah. They're all socially distance looking at their phones. I'd rather go home and suffer. I i would stand in line. They have symptoms or they think they were with a crowd that breathed all over. The i don't know who they are. But this is hoping i guess at the cases pop other people feel like well. I hung out with him. Well you know what you know. What i've noticed when they when they freak out about positivity rates what they don't point out is like well over ninety percent of the people who get tested are negative. So if you if you think you've got a sniffle over ninety percent of the time you don't have the virus. Yeah i haven't looked at latest positivity rates still running below ten percent depends on where there are pockets. Where your radio where it's higher than that. Yeah i don't know but we're going to start the show with this curious story. We mentioned the other day out of san diego curious because a couple of strip clubs apparently been able to remain open. That's right the state got into this attorney. General havi erbakan. Thanks joe biden. Sent a letter saying you got close down. Because while locally you can be more restrictive than state orders. You can't be less restrictive. And the way he's reading. This is sarah the state ruling. You can't have strip club open well last night. A san diego superior court judge made a ruling that not only can the clubs that to strip clubs questions stay open but says he went further and it can apply across san diego's restaurant sector similar guest to the la county judge ruling. Yeah way i read it. We we now have two judges one for la county one for san diego county which says you cannot close restaurants for virus reasons because there's no evidence and That was spurred by the to strip clubs but The superior court judge joel wolf wolf eel. extended it to restaurants from the way we're reading it. We're gonna talk with jim desmond. He's a partly jumped right on twitter to make this announcement san diego county supervisor jim desmond coming back on the show. Jim how are you. Hey all right. John and ken The wacky world out there when strip clubs. They're leading the way. How did this happen. I'm sure there's other lawsuits is it's just the judge they came upon the actually the strip clubs Had a temporary restraining order against the state and county from being closed down. They got that granted to them and then yesterday the superior court judge like you said he said that the county has to stop for a visions of the cease and desist orders from the live entertainment and also from businesses with restaurants services so That's you know that's where it went in. Its now got a preliminary injunctions right now. Our county council is our meeting with the judge right now and to make sure they have all the clarifications and we have a clear understanding of what's going on but the way i read it is is restaurants and and adult entertainment is opening in san diego. County s means indoor indoor restaurants to it does not state that these What the county put out is that. We have suspended enforcement activities against restaurants and live entertainment. Establishments period doesn't say indoor doesn't say outdoor silent on that but we have stopped as of last night any enforcement activities against restaurants in well. Is that does that mean an indoor restaurant can operate if they're doing it safely in my opinion yes for right now like i said i've actually at two thirty and twenty minutes. There are county council a meeting with the judge. Just to get clarification. 'cause he did put some restrictions in place for the strip clubs as far like fifteen feet away. You know the tables you have to be separated six feet apart and all those kinds of things. He put in those types of restrictions for strip clubs but he didn't mention that for restaurants so it silent is is a decision right now is silent on that. And that's what we're going so your county lawyers are meeting with him now to see if there's any specific restrictions outside of allowing the business to open yes and and one other one thing. The judge did say that there was no next us or no connection between the business the businesses that are closed and the spread of the covert. So he said there was no real. You know Arguments or next this and even you know dr galley said there's no relationship to businesses that were being close and the virus our own health officer in san diego county said the same thing and so you know. He came to the conclusion. If you can't provide a next us you can't provide a reason for these businesses. Be shut down. They shouldn't be restaurants. Indoor restaurants closed in. San diego governor's order they were in december third or whatever. It was Yeah indoor and outdoor were. We're closed and they're only open for takeout right now part but before that we're could you eat indoors in san diego county. Yes yeah before that there was some indoor. We have twenty five percent indoor and outdoor and then went on clarifies as of last night. They're open both indoor and outdoor. Until we get clarification on on it but we did have shut down like the rest of the state you know. Let's southern california. We all get grouped together and as a region and We were all all of our outside out the outdoor and indoor dining. Because the reason i'm asking is because here in la county a judge throughout the county closure for out to restaurants but the state closure still seems to be an effect. There are very few restaurants challenging that but in san diego county you are in effect challenging the state closure well and the judges. I'm reading from the His decision Or you know since Stopped enjoined from enforcing stop enforcing the provisions of the cease and desist order or any related orders including the state's regional. Stay at home order. All right so that that is groundbreaking. Because that is that is that is a reversal. The state order. Yes yeah and so actually. The state is there with the county council. Say council and county council are meeting with the judge Like i said in short order the state still arguing that they should be closed even though they admit they have no evidence. I would imagine so. I really think is gonna happen out of this. The state is going to appeal this And the and ask for a as a stay or you know to stop and keep things as are and And then have a court hearing later on and so I would imagine there's the state's gonna for the stay and then asked and then appeal the judgment here By our superior court. Yeah we're waiting for the california restaurant association or what mark arrogance john to challenge the state order. So yeah dancing overturn dining. No i just asked about that a few minutes ago and apparently the lawsuit is in the works but has not been filed yet. According to what was this one did not include restaurants but the the judge came out and it added the restaurants. You know san diego. County businesses with restaurants service to his two's decision so he and he actually went even further her. By saying you know that other businesses he says A wide array of businesses and other activities as gyms fitness centres restaurants churches Do little if anything to demonstrate any nexus between the business and the restaurant services such as the place of style. Establishments who've implemented protocols directed by the county and the spread of covid nineteen so basically. It says there's no nets between any of these other businesses and the spread of covid nineteen. However he did not rule on them so it was actually a good thing that he included that. I think because it's kind of paves the way for churches and and and You know other you know gyms and places like that to show shohei this. This judge said there was no next between you know our business being open and the spread of the virus. Jim this was a national story. People are like wait. A minute strip clubs can stay open. His san diego but churches can't shoot clubs in a headline. I guess everybody. I appreciate you coming on. We hope for an update then later on after this to thirty meet up. Be happy to get back in. Whatever you like. San diego county supervisor. Jim desmond and i don't know if you noticed but i was asking a specific question before for a very specific reason about You know restaurants strip clubs and open and outdoor imagine an outdoor strip club. Well actually allowed outdoor dining awhile right so be because it'd be quite a show pippa walking by if the judge's decision was narrow at and said well you have to have some kind of entertainment with restaurant business. Yeah in order to be open. The if i was running restaurant. I get one of the waitresses up on a table. Top right away and say we got a new business here. You're dancing and the rest of your serving. It's kind of the hooters. Look yeah everybody could be strip club. Then it's apparently this judge in san diego county has made a decision that not only can to san diego strip clubs remain open. He's apparently it's expanded into many other business. Sectors including san diego's restaurants. More coming up. John and ken show. Kfi john and ken show john kobylt. Ken chiampou kfi am six. Forty live everywhere on the iheartradio app. Tomorrow we will present the las- voice line of twenty twenty so your message. One eight seven seven moist eighty six one eight seven seven six six four seven eight eight. Six words just came down that this. Fda advisory committee by a vote of twenty two zero. This time have agreed that the benefits of the moderna vaccine outweigh the risks for people who are eighteen and older so i remember what the pfizer vaccine was a couple of no votes and i think it dealt with the age issue. I believe that's what it was anyway. Maderno will begin shipping millions of doses. Once the full. Fda says find. You can go ahead and do that. They'll head out to healthcare workers and nursing home residents right off the bat now but says they've got ninety four percent protection against covid nineteen. They did a study of thirty thousand people. We've watch pfizer roll out for a couple of weeks and it's probably worth a couple of minutes to spend on something that i also believe is over reported anybody who watches tv and sees one of the many billions of drug commercials that come on you know. They have that announcement about the possible side effects may cause explosive diarrhea for example. We're all my favorite suicide or thoughts of thoughts of suicide and severe cases. Death make side effects include death. They have to report that. That's part of the requirement. It's extremely unlikely. But to have to so with pfizer. We had a couple of alaska. Health workers who had allergic reactions. One could barely breathe but it says here that they found no severe allergic reactions. In maderna's data but flagged a slightly higher rate of less serious side effects like Rash hives itching well among participants. Who got the vaccine every those who got the placebo this dish. It this is the media at its worst they have. They tested on thirty thousand people. I think pfizer tested on sixty thousand people and there's already thousands that have been injected. And from what. I heard there was there. Were four at allergic reactions to england and two in alaska. An allergic reaction. It's going to scare off the idiots. That's that's darwinism. Then then they're gonna catch it. They might die but it gets better as they didn't they're not able to calculate risk properly with the madonna vaccine. There were three cases bell's palsy. You know what that is. That's when the side of your face gets paralysed paralyze facial muscles temporarily went away. It does go another question. Not sure of can the vaccine prevent people from symptomless infection and but during the study said there's a hint that it may study. Participants had their noses swabbed prior to the second dose of either the vaccine or the placebo at that one time points swabs from fourteen vaccine recipients and thirty eight placebo recipients showed evidence of as symptomatic infection lead them to believe that since they had a lower rate among the vaccine recipients that could be another benefit to them dern vaccine also the vaccine can be started regular freezer temperatures. It's gonna be easier to distribute yup and there's gonna be more available because this was directly funded by the government and the government is already purchased Much more of merger and vaccine your if was an outside without government l. project. Six million maternal doses. A ready to go as soon as the fda says okay. Six million yeah. Hundreds of millions of additional shots. I'll be needed to evacuate to vaccinate the general public. It's all good news. It's nearly one hundred percent good news and if you hear any media carrying on about a an allergic reaction here and a side effect there any other nonsense. They're just trying to scare you. Which is what they've been doing. Successfully now for for nine months just frightening. You emotionally manipulating you. it's garbage. the vaccine works. It's this is the greatest possible. This is the best possible outcome and just to top it off your right. The government warp speed program has orders for two hundred million doses of moderna vaccine. There's one hundred million. They've contracted for for the pfizer vaccine. So right there there's three hundred million doses three hundred thirty million people trump administration and The geniuses adviser and madonna have done an absolutely fantastic job just miraculous. It's amazing everybody should be happy and applauding. Now when we come back onto another clumsy part of government which isn't as smooth as pharmaceuticals contracting with government agencies to come vaccines. It's this crowd in washington. Dc with another economic stimulus. bill passed. They're still sitting there there every day. The same headline getting closer. We'll be talking to. Abc news for kfi. Coming up next. john and ken. Kfi john john token chiampou kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio app. Are we going to come on the show today. Concerning the la county district attorney. George gascon We are going to have a number of guest. Steve coolies coming back on the show. He's the former. La county da. This has really woken up. La county deputy district attorneys. Some of them are going on the public record speaking about their objections. If you don't know what this is gas gone. Yesterday's news conference said that. You should know what i was going to do if you voted for me. And what he's doing which is getting a lot of prosecutors particularly upset he's dropping. What are called special enhancements special enhancements or things that end up if they stick adding a significant amount of prison time to some very very dangerous criminals and gascoyne said there are no exceptions to this rule. Talk about a baby was beaten and the enhancements against the babysitter. who did this if they cannot be applied. Then it's going to be possibly probation the woman who beat the baby. You magin no exception this woman crush the baby's skull permanent brain damage. The baby can't see can't talk can't sit up can't eat and gascon doesn't think this woman should be prosecuted for jail time and we have more stories. Were hearing about today because deputy. Da -'s has been forced to go to courtrooms today and try to get charges dropped hideous hideous crimes. Fact will give you a couple of examples coming up in the next segment. We'll be talking to erik. Leonard from nbc four. The i team there. He did a story on this Yesterday that i noticed and he can come on with his understanding but his big headline was there will be no exception. You what he's running up against this towards gas gone. There are people angry. John because that also means hate crime enhancements cannot be added. That's getting progressives really worked up. oh i yeah. I saw that. I saw that last night. The fox eleven did a story on that. Yes i got this. I got the guy that gave the nazi salute them. Get gas gone is going to unite the entire county because this is the most horrific policy i've ever seen a public official try to implement and he's getting massive resistance from all quarters all right. Let's go now with the talk to caleb silver. he's the editor in chief of investor. Pedia and This the unemployment benefit Number of americans applying for unemployment benefits rose again last week to eight hundred eighty five thousand people as we await and awaited await whatever's coming out of washington. Dc as far as an economic stimulus bill. So let's get caleb on here for. Abc news Caleb how are you. I'm good thanks for having So this is a big jump in recent weeks and the unemployment situation. Yeah and it's a trend heading in the wrong direction guys. Eight hundred eighty five thousand. People followed her first time unemployment claims last week that the highest reclaimed timber ten months into this pandemic. And we're still having claimed this high and it's been a trend of the last three weeks trending higher. Some of that is season Some companies like all workers as we get closer to the holidays. 'cause they hire them for the holiday shopping season but it's also the shutting down of these economies of shutting down to businesses the restrictions in place across cities across america. You see los angeles. Obviously it's happening in new york texas Chicago wherever you look what that happened and that is causing this high unemployment and that's gonna be a big drag on the economy going into twenty twenty one when the rest of the economy is actually recover. What's the i i heard the telephone. You may be in worse shape than a lot of other regions. We've been tracking five cities. In in a city economic recovery index. Los angeles is one of them although new york houston and columbus ohio los angeles by far the worst because of the high unemployment because of the reliance on service sector employees because of the hospitality industry and high number of code infections. The recovery is sold the most right there in your city. California's suffering greatly. Obviously you have the shutdown happening and you have so many infections. It's also the most populous state so it's going to suffer the most apropos proportionally when you get these economic slowdown now now. They're passing supposedly very soon. Finally a stimulus bill. And what's that gonna do for somebody who's out of work right now. but what. What do they get out of this. Extension of the pandemic unemployment benefits that were part of the cares act those expire on december. Thirty first guy. Thirteen million people will lose those benefits so hopefully in this bill. They agreed to continue that and also extend the eviction moratorium the forbearance more for closure moratoriums so that people can stay in their homes. It's gonna put it. Looks like six hundred bucks in individuals pockets. It's obviously half of what it was The twelve hundred bucks from the cares act but it is money going into people's pockets and what we found out with at twelve hundred bucks. Is that people did mostly the right thing. They staved it or they pay down that high debt. We'll see what happens this time because a lot of folks especially on the lower income level are nearing the end of their financial boats. So people get six hundred dollars plus an extension of their unemployment benefits plus they won't get foreclosed on and how. How long are these extensions. For how many months no. They extended it a month extending another two to three months. But you can bet there's going to be a much stimulus a much. Bigger stimulus bill coming down the pipe. As soon as the biden ministration takes office. They have the democrats for two point. Four trillion don't forget going into this. Republicans wanted closer to nine hundred billion. That's where we're ending up. Believe me next time around the much bigger package because the biden administration is full of alleged spenders and policy doves that no that spending through these types of crisis is the only way to prevent us from dropping into another recession or depression. And how much show is gonna go towards businesses. That's another business bailout like that. Tv program from last spring so in kern version of the nine hundred billion dollar package. There's about three hundred and fifty billion targeted small businesses. We can't tell yet if it's an extension of people i think that was uneven. Obviously use that properly by all businesses but it could be the type of loan that can allow them to keep people on staff or fuller them for just a couple of months because once these accidents happen and we just got good news madeiran infection once that becomes more widespread in the distribution becomes more effective. The economy's good open up again and these businesses are going to need to step up the whole thing. They don't lay people off in the meantime before that happened in the meantime sarah projection on how bad the unemployment numbers are going to be over the coming weeks the next six. We're gonna continue to see highly highly numbers the monthly unemployment number. We'll get to them at the december in the first week of january. It's gonna show a drop in the unemployment rate. There guys is that a lot of people have just stopped looking for work there what we called discouraged workers and the long-term employ people unemployed twenty seven weeks or more that number just keeps growing the longer out of the workforce the harder it is to get back in and the availability of the kind of jobs that people might want to get out of you know get out to work for are not exactly Paying as much as they might receive if we get an a continuation of some benefit programs. I can't thank you for coming on expanding it all. We appreciate it. Michael thank you happy holidays. You can have silver as editor in chief investor. Pedia coming on. Abc news for kfi about the surge in people applying for unemployment benefits. It makes you think particularly here in southern california that with all these lockdowns than these searches and unemployed people and all these businesses shut down and these cases growing and growing if there's really no linkage meaning whatever is driving these caseloads and deaths probably is coming from people just gathering and otherwise flooring the masks and the social distancing. Well i i saw that. It means businesses closing. It's not having that much of an effect. I saw something today in story. It's about andrew. Cuomo the governor of new york and about all the stupid things he's done and buried in the story it says seventy four percent of new cova cases are coming from in-home gatherings seventy four percent. Oh yeah i did see that. That's the one that had restaurants at around one percent one point three percent from bars and restaurants so seventy four times as many cases are coming people gathering at home. We obviously thanksgiving. We really jumped the whole. Jump this up another level. There's no reason to punish any businesses. You can make an argument for certain restrictions but to mandate absolute closings. There is no evidence at all no science behind this and and everybody ought to be suing resisting an they just rebelling in general against the these these government edicts. Because they're wrong they're destructive if you're in charge this you have to ask yourself in their knees when we do. Something doesn't have an effect weeks later. Did the case. Loads in the positivity rates everything else drop and then versus it didn't drop or went up and that's how you kind of after nine months you kind of get an idea of what works and what does it work. Keep doing the same stupid thing because stupid people government made up a stupid people. Smart people don't get into government work they get into private sector work period. This is this is an iq problem here. These are this is a brain neuron problem if you can't see now when you've got three quarters of the cases coming from in-home gatherings and one percent of the cases coming from restaurants and you close restaurants well then there's that there's something wrong with your brain and you may be driving indoor gatherings when you close restaurants. Yes he's take a moment to think about that. If those ten people that you saw a couple of months ago sitting at a table like a family or a bunch of friends that got together and maybe they were wearing masks a little while. They're outdoor dining if they're going to do that inside without basques because they can't do the outdoor dining thing don't you think that's gonna make things worse. Why do we have to explain this. I got more coming up including some more examples of the damage being done by the new. La county da. John and ken show john kobylt ken. Chiampou kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheart radio app. Yes welcome wilbur. Special guest this hour. Steve cooley the former la county. Da coming back on the show and joining them. We'll be tanya owen. She is the widow of la county. Sheriff's department sergeant steve cohen remember. He was murdered a few years back. in lancaster. an execution style shooting. We covered that story. Big time what had happened. She's also gotten herself. Involved with steve cooley in objecting to the prosecution policies of the new la county district attorney. George gascon which of course could result in a lot less jail time. Prison time for these defendants. Yeah he wants to Get rid of All the enhancements that prosecutors us to add significant jail time to these terrible crimes. And we we've given you some examples in the last half hour. Now we're gonna talk to our old friend. Eric leonard who's working for nbc for these days Part of their I team investigative. Unit and. Erica was covering this gasco and situation yesterday. Hi there hey. Good afternoon guys. Good afternoon what have you found out. Well you were just saying that. This is what Gas gone the newly sworn la county district attorney intends to do but it. It's pretty clear it's already happening a day. One soon as he was sworn in on december seventh his office sent a series of directives to prosecutors. Who work for him that they were to immediately cease using any of these sentencing enhancements and criminal filings additionally. They were told that the next time. Any case that you're handling comes up in front of a judge. Your job is to get those enhancements dismissed. And furthermore gascoyne said. His office is going to begin the process of going back through. Virtually everybody that the la county da's -'s office has convicted. Who still in prison and looking to see if those cases can be resentenced under his new guidelines which will eliminate those sentencing enhancements and these are things like people who have allegations that they committed a particular crime to benefit a street gang or it was a hate crime or they used a gun or other weapon personally but the most significant one when it comes to how long people spend in prison as punishment is that the special allegations can include prior offenses. Which means that somebody who has committed a series of crimes and is now being prosecuted for. Maybe the third or eighth or eleventh time is supposed to suffer greater punishment than somebody who's first time through the system and effectively. What's happening is without these enhancements. People who may be a veteran of the prison system if -ffective get treated as if it's their first time through each time so yeah there will be a lot less time spent in prison and we talked with the da yesterday after there was a lot of Murmuring and the anger that was coming from people who work inside the court system the victims of people who had been murdered saying they were astonished that their cases would also be subject to these policies and gas and said yesterday. This is a blanket policy. There will be no exceptions. No matter how terrible any particular crime is and the words he used yesterday was he said. Exceptions will swallow the rule if he begins to carve out any deviation from that just because one particular crime is awful. I spoken at length with a number of families. Who've had people murdered yesterday we included the pollard family in our reporting michael pollard. Junior was one of two men who was burned to death. burned alive in a recording studio fire in studio city in two thousand eighteen a fire that was allegedly set by a young man who was a lifelong friend of michael pollard. Junior and the whole things on video. It's pretty clear what happened and pollard. Junior's mother and uncle and the mother of polar juniors young daughter all told me yesterday. They're horrified and they feel like gascons decisions. Here that were made blanket Arbitrarily not considering any of the facts of the case in their mind has diminished. The value of their loved one's life because the person accused if convicted will not spend the rest of his life in prison but rather could be out in fifteen years. Let me ask you this. What's the history of enhancement. Eric is this because the original crime and these were heinous crimes. We've been talking about sometimes murders. The punishment wasn't strong enough according to prosecutors so they looked for enhancements to tack on wasn't prosecutors who look for the enhancements. It was the public because in the eighties. Early nineties when the crime rate was much much higher than it is today. Were pushing for tough on crime initiatives. I mean that's where the three strikes thing eventually came out of and by the way three strikes are gone. Also more importantly in many court cases second strikes are gone. Second strikes double the sense of somebody who is being prosecuted if they've Have a have a previous serious felony. That's gone to a. That's where these enhancements came from and they're from the legislature. It's not like prosecutors. Made these up a under state law and it is designed to turn up the volume on people who have shown that they have done something particularly horrible. That's why hate crimes by the way Which is a thought. Crime are bundled in this way. There is no law in california. That's called a hate crime. It was it was put on the books as an enhancement. So that if somebody was being prosecuted for i don't know Hypothetically crushing somebody else's head with a baseball bat the legislature says. It's worse if you did that. Because of who. That person's very human being is it's worse if it's because you don't like their race or their religion and so that was where this thing got parked and prosecutors use it when there's evidence to support it a lot of the pushback on the justice system in recent years has been dad. A lot of these enhancements have been overdone that people who are not the kind of predatory criminal that perhaps voters were thinking of when these things were brought into effect were being subject to overwhelming prison terms for things that probably weren't as bad The problem that everybody we've heard from in the last week has is that there's no consideration being given for the nature of some of the most horrible crimes. It's arguable and gas. Certainly campaigned on the idea that the prisons are filled with people who have been over prosecuted and over punished. And it's unfair and it's been going on too long but it seems like many of the people who supported those ideas did not expect them to apply to every single case and clearly the one percent the worst of the worst kind of cases. It seems like the people involved in those prosecutions are really stunned. That these kinds of rules are applying to them as well and a judge though. Ken stick with the enhancements as possible for a judge to overrule the idea pulling them. Well it's an interesting legal quagmire because yes a judge has to go along with the idea that a particular charges being dropped i in theory it is supposed to be dropped only in the interest of justice which is a bit of a murky term and what that usually means is Let's say somebody gets charged with a particular crime and they decide to accept a plea bargain and admitted they did something and in exchange for accepting the plea bargain in the interest of justice. Getting the case through the system without the time and labor of a jury trial some of those counts could be dismissed. Some of the enhancements could be dropped another time evidence comes up as the case is being investigated after the charges are filed and it turns out. This isn't what it looked like to begin with and the prosecutor goes into court or the defense lawyer argues that this enhancement shouldn't apply and a judge will dismiss it. But in answer to your question yes. Judge is the check against the The prosecution and the conceivably say. No i think this is an appropriate charge. I don't agree. It should be dismissed. Apparently that has happened multiple times already. And there's word going around that folks. Gascons administration are intending to prevent future prosecutions from going to those judges whether or not that could be successful or there is a serious balance of power issue. that comes up is untested. one thing. Gas going said yesterday during his talk with reporters was that he fully expected to be challenged legally on some of these ideas and perhaps suggested. I don't want to say exactly what he said. Because i don't remember his exact words but that he could face a constitutional challenge and was fully prepared to fight for this in other words. He knows that some of this might be legally questionable but believes that his philosophy for what he's doing is so important that he's gonna go to bat for it and try to fight for it in court and were months. Maybe even years away from any of that happening The close fight the one that we're going to see in the coming weeks and months is going to be with judge just like you said judges who may be uncomfortable with dropping certain aspects judges who may see the facts of a particular case and see that it's particularly horrific and now the. Da comes in and says oh we're going to remove a bunch of the allegations that might have given this person a whopper of a prison sentence. Our to give them something much less. The judge could not agree and we don't know what what we're that leads. But what about the enhancements aren't in there in the first place because gone is telling prosecutors. I'm talking about future cases. I want you to add those special circumstances so can judge do anything. It doesn't sound like it. It is definitely in the realm of what the prosecutors role is in court Which is a different question than whether a judge could allow the prosecutor who had already filed those allegations to now decide to remove them from the case for gas cones political reasons which pieces says are being done to improve society verses a legal one which is usually why they were dropped in the past that is untested and. I think we're going to see this. Come up a lot in the coming weeks. And months as cases move through court although it might be slow for us to detect it because so many cases are delayed right now simply because of the pandemic health issues. And they're trying to keep to prevent juries from having to assemble for trials right now so this is going to play out in court. It may take weeks or months for us to really see how it's gonna work. I never thank you very much. We appreciate good to talk to you. Guys yeah all right. Explain things like no one else. Can eric leonard from nbc's on la county district attorney george gascon and his plan to remove all of these sentence enhancements and talking about prior convictions. Which you know. Ask anybody on the street. And they'll tell you guys got priors and then he commits some terrible act. Will shore sentence enhancement. Sound great. they can get them more prison time. I we'll play eric's report you'll hear this colored family response to the fact that their son was burnt in a deliberately set. Fire more coming up. John and ken. Kfi john and ken show john kobylt and ken. Chiampou kfi am six. Forty live everywhere on the iheartradio app. Just had eric. Leonard on from nbc. Four and he's been covering this bizarre. George guests jones story where he is told all his deputy district attorneys. He's given a blanket rule out no more sentencing enhancements. When you file charges in fact Take any existing cases. Back to the judge and i want all the current enhancement stripped from the case which could mean more prisoners getting out early because if they find that enhancements forty lead to more jail time for these people. Then they'll have to be released. We're talking about things like prior convictions. Hate motivation gang involvement and to use of guns. All of those things will be stripped from the case. These are the most violent crimes to this is where they're talking about nonviolent misdemeanor cases non-serious no. This is the violence stuff. The this is the biggies and we told you free airs. It's like they're not gonna stop. They're not gonna stop with nonviolent misdemeanor cases. They're eventually going to try. Not only to release everybody at a prison but prevent anybody from going into prison to begin with and this is a big cannon blasts towards that from guests. Gascon here is eric. Leonard's report last night at nbc four. you'll hear him talk to the family of a man who was murdered in a particularly brutal way. He was burned to death in a deliberately set. Fire da gascoyne is not backing away or apologizing for any of these sweeping day one directors including that sentencing enhancements be dropped in all cases that will mean far less prison time for those convicted of even the most violent or disturbing crimes. Gas going said. Today it's to be done for the greater good lead or a moment that we are going to fix all the social roads. Why would it be wanna concrete walks so wrong. The district attorney says those sentencing enhancements that are part of state law intended to more severely. Punish hate gang related and other serious crimes are actually and abuse and are largely responsible for what he says is. Mass incarceration in california racist today. Gascon said he is going to change that pointing out. What he was elected to do was not a close election with a wide margin. Gascons office has criticized. The critics of the policy saying a handful of troubling cases. Shouldn't take away from the da's more important goal of justice reform. It's really a political game by people that failed from endless economic interest completing when the gurney finishing has no heart or the and their family the pollard family says it got a phone call last week. Notifying them that the. Da was dropping enhancements in michael pollard. Juniors murder he was burned to death along with another man inside. This deliberately set fire at a recording studio in studio city in two thousand eighteen. A teenage girl was disfigured but survived according to pollard's uncle. He can't understand why the person charged would face anything less than the most severe punishment it was premeditated gasoline and the studio it murdered relic of our loved one. My heart hurts more today. of what guest. Wait and take it away. Now the man charged with that murder will appear in court in january. That's when these special enhancements would be addressed in front of a judge. Gaskin told me today. There will be no exceptions to this rule. No matter the awfulness of a particular crime because he says he fears exceptions will in his words swallow the rule. He says one area he's unsettled with is hate crimes. But he says that's an issue that the state legislature should address eric leonard. nbc four. When we come back we're going to have former. La county district attorney. Steve cooley on with a special guest and Her name is tanya and it was. Her husband was in. La county sheriff's sergeant. Who was murdered back. In october of twenty sixteen. This was an execution style murder. He had come to a home to investigate a possible break. In and parolee came around and just absolutely shot him point blank range and killed him. I guess special enhancements could be involved in this man's case too and they could be dropped. We'll find out more. We come back. John and ken show. Kfi john and ken show john kobylt. Ken chiampou kfi am six. Forty live everywhere on the iheartradio app. Making news this afternoon. The fda advisory panel is Said fine with the madonna vaccine so once. The fda gives its full approval. It should come shortly. Did with pfizer lot. More vaccines out there for people out. We're continuing now with our war on the la county district attorney. George gascon only about ten days after taking office he's already wreaking havoc with some of his new directives refusing to File sentencing enhancements in many violent cases. He's trying to remove in that have already been filed he wants to go back into past settled cases and get enhancements reversed. So felons violent felons can be released from jail. We've given you a many examples over the last two days and we're gonna talk now with steve. Cooley who is the former. La county district attorney. He was the da before. Jackie lacey and we're also going to talk with tanya owen the widow of la county. Sheriff's sergeant steve owen. Who is killed three years ago. In res ago by a three strike parolee. this was the execution style murder. That happened up in lancaster. We covered it for days and weeks after this. It was horrific. And the reason she's coming on is to talk about the possibilities. That special circumstances will be dropped in the case against the man that murdered her husband. So let's get steven. How are you good. Good you guys. we're fine tonya. Welcome to the show as well. Thank you thank you so much. Let's start with you steve. This is even worse than i think. Anybody imagine ten days into his term. This is absolutely the worst case. Scenario of george gas gascons policies. His policies are. He will not allow enhancements special circumstances in any case whatsoever whether it be a violent felony or any other kind of felony in this case. The murder of sergeant steve owen. You'll strike the special circumstances you eliminate the possibility of death Whi