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What 2019 Has in Common With 1929

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What 2019 Has in Common With 1929

"Broadcasting from Baltimore Maryland and all around the world you're listening to the stands berry investor our Tune in each Thursday night tunes for the latest episodes of the stance berry investor. Our sign up for the free show archive at investor. Our DOT COM. Here's your host Dan Ferris Hello and welcome to another episode of the stands vary investor our. I'm your host Dan Ferris. I'm also the editor of extreme value. You A value investing service published by stands Barry Research. We have a very very special show today. We have a really special interview segment with this week. We'll talk with not one not two but three count them. Three of my stands very colleagues all of whom have spent years trading stocks stocks options. And who knows what else. I'm really curious to get their three separate takes on the current overall market conditions and to find out You know just what they do and how they do it and if there are any pockets of opportunity that are especially attractive to them right now now before we get to the interview I have of a couple things on my mind first of all. Thank you very much to everyone who wrote in with the Book and other reading recommendations and went to Amazon and bought two with them right away. Street freak by Jared Dylan and as you wish by carry always both recommended by listener. Joe M thanks Joe. I can't wait to get started on those two. Okay so besides what to read I. I'm also thinking about the overall stock market this week end of the year making new highs. It just seemed like like something that was drawing my attention. And I've I've done this often over the past couple of years of course and I'll just remind you mostly. I think it's a big mistake to spend a lot of time thinking about the overall market. I've learned from experience that it's a waste of time in most years. There's you know whether it's up or down five ten or twenty percent or totally flat most years you should just ignore it mostly when the stock market falls. Walsh you should just buy it. That'll be the right thing to do. Most of the time so. It's not worth contemplating whether a particular you know five five percent drop or something as the beginning of full blown market route. Most of the time all that is true however when it is the right time to think about it and if you get it right or anywhere close to right. I think you'll wind up doing ten times better than folks who either ignore it altogether or get it wrong. So it's really worth thinking about when it's worth thinking about now. I contend that there are two times when win it pays to think about the attractiveness of the overall stock market one when stocks are near historic evaluation peaks and to when they're near historical valuation troughs. Right so when they're more expensive offensive generally than they've been in their history and when they're cheaper generally than they've been in their history at the real peaks and troughs at at the extremes so before I say one more word yes I'm aware that valuation is a lousy timing mechanism and we'll be talking with our interview guests today about what makes a good timing mechanism but it's not valuation. So don't write in about that. I already know that. Okay but now is one of those two times when I think you need to think about the overall stock market we've been at or near historical valuation peaks for two years so even even though I continue to do bottom up research recommend individual equities for the extreme value newsletter. I also continue to counsel caution to investors doing the same as I've I've said before with the stock market making brand new all-time highs recently my bearish this. It looks like the wrong viewpoint today. And except for a few unpleasant episodes last two years it has been wrong. And I- persist in finding these good bottom up equity ideas this year. Mike and I found Mike Barrett. An in extreme value added twelve of them. That I think are pretty good ideas in my other stands berry colleagues have found some really good ones too but I can't help noting saying what economist and Asset Manager John Hosman recently published. I don't follow all of his work. But his material on the valuation in the history of valuation I should say of the overall stock market is unequaled. I believe it is the best work of its kind before the public today and his work supports my thesis. That should worry about it. Most of the time a mistake Hussmann himself admits to making it also supports the idea that right now stocks are more expensive than any time in history including the nineteen twenty nine peak. So only if you believe leave that it's different this time. Should you ignore the valuation of the Stock Market Today and you know and we all know at the end of that is right. It's never different this time time. Hosman has chosen five metrics that correlate very well historically with the subsequent ten and twelve year returns in. US stocks walks so when stocks have gotten where they are today in terms of valuation. Historically speaking the ten or twelve year returns have been awful. They've been like flat to negative. It hasn't happened often so you know you can complain about the lack of enough data points to be statistically significant and I hear you but you can't change history and I understand the history doesn't repeat it only rhymes and not doesn't always rhyme in ways that you can figure out beforehand right but the bottom line is really simple. I think if you believe that the price you pay relative to the value you receive is an extremely important part of the investing investing equation. You have to conclude that there's that there's more risk in. US stocks today then then most of the time right. This is one of those two times most of the time. You don't worry about it right now you do. So you know you've heard me say that a bunch of times right so i WanNa do something that I don't know I always try to entertain sort of alternate viewpoints viewpoints on things and I do entertain ideas that might indicate I missing something very important in all my bearishness and worry about stocks making new highs and being more expensive than any time in history for example earlier this week Joe Limonov altimetry research said Equity Market. Sentiment is in the doldrums. It's like it was in two thousand one in two thousand three and he noted that margin debt has fallen from its highs leading them to believe the bull market has more room to run before you need to start getting worried okay so for an another example that might indicate. I'm missing something listener. Dan M mm-hmm responded to my request last week for Book and other reading ideas with a link to an article from institutional investor magazine called a mysterious force took over investing. I know what it is. By former Hedge Fund analyst Christopher shelling and shelling notes that the decline in performance of actively manage stock and bond funds over the last couple decades or so but especially since two thousand seven. He he noted that and he also notes like Berkshire Hathaway's outperformance continued until two thousand eight and it's struggled since then right along with all the other active managers injures right and he says the cause of all this under performance by the active managers. Is that ninety. Nine percent of all the data in existence assistance has been created since two thousand seven and computers are much better at processing data than humans if I if I read him correctly clearly. Part of the point of the articles that grows has beaten value often especially since two thousand seven but even longer than that because of the proliferation of data and the ability ability of rapid advances in computer processing power to make sense of a world increasingly awash and more and more data. And when shelling says quote much has been written about how artificial intelligence and machine learning are expected to revolutionise investing. Frankly okay a lot of this has been pure hype but what has been lost in. That noise is the undeniable fact that the massive muscular increase in Rau- computing power as automated and obviated most of the previously manual aggregation an annual financial the data end quote. He uses the word obviate. Obviate means to remove some difficulty to make things easier so looking at the output of a stock screener on computers a lot easier and more efficient than what Warren Buffett used to do back in the day. Buffet said he used to find incredible bargains. Like really good. Companies Trading for two times earnings just by turning the pages of the Moody's Investor Guide. You know one of those guides. They used to publish in the old days where there was one stock per page and it was loaded with data on one on page and and you know just had stock after stock and buffet. You know used to thumb through these things and found bargains. And you can't do do that anymore. Really I mean you know maybe every now and then but in general it's just not that easy anymore. Computers can do that work and buy the cheap stocks in the market. It like that. In an instant shelling notes that computing power has doubled roughly every eighteen months or so since the nineteen sixties in accordance with with Moore's law and even though it's doubling at a slower rate today it's still vastly outperforming the human brain write notes. The human brain hasn't changed a two hundred thousand years now. Computers can't do a lot of stuff humans can do but they can do things like play games. They can beat humans at any board game. For example including complex games like chess and go shelling concludes. It's too easy for a computer cuter to do. Things like basic value investing finding the cheapest stocks by price to book price to cash flow or other simple value. Metrics is much easier than playing chess us and go so. There's not as much opportunity in those areas anymore. Says I think all this is mostly true except up that one little thing humans are the ones making all the decisions here. Humans are doing the buying and selling not the computers right. Humans are telling the computers what to do the humans behind all of this at the very least. You must concede that computers are doing the buying and selling at the behest. Behest of their human masters is what I'm saying. I'll I'll never forget when Steve sugared and I many years ago went to visit one of the turtle trader later companies. I won't say which one it was and we had a little Torah place and we talked to one of the vice presidents and and he told us he said if a trader does not trade a signal put out by the computer. It's a fireable offense right. You can get fired tired for not doing what the computer tells you in other words okay. That was interesting. And we walk around a little more and we walk into the trading floor and he says here's our head trader. I'm GONNA leave you in his hands for a few minutes. So the head trader says. Yeah you know they were very so you know we we signed an NDA right on disclosure. So they told US everything they wanted to know. And this is a long time ago so I can tell you the story now without getting sued and I'm not telling you what the firm was so he shows us this trade. The computer spit out like minutes. Before and it was cable which is otherwise known as the the British Pound has referred to as cable and and had had gone down five days in a row and the computer said too short it and he showed us the chart and and it showed showed the dropping five days in a row and he looked at us and he said but do you really want to sell it after five days of this meaning. It's gotTa gotta come to snap back before it falls any further right so at that moment I was like well wait a minute. Wait a minute not trading the signal as a fireable offense offense and I didn't say that because I didn't you know I didn't would cause a problem for the guy but I walked away thinking there's a lot more going wing on here than mindlessly doing. What the computer tells you and I think that is still very much the case today but of course there are people who set up computers to do buying and selling the high frequency traders right they buy and sell in milliseconds my bottom line and all this is that humans will always be human? They'll always always pour money into ideas that have worked well for a long time and that money will eventually always turn those ideas into bed ideas if they stick with them long enough if they don't turn them into outright toxic waste look if you can turn the US thirty year mortgage into toxic waste by putting too much money into it and if you can turn the sovereign over in debt of developed Western nations into toxic waste like they've done today with with trillions of dollars of negative yielding debt. Then I promise you putting too much money into anything can turn anything into toxic waste. Humans will always be human will never cure humans of their humanity when they're in love with investment idea. It's still becomes allows the idea whether they bought it because a computer program told them to or not and when humans ignore certain ideas because they performed poorly or when the computers ignore certain ideas because they performed poorly. They'll become good ideas no matter what any computer anywheres ars program to do so. I think it's a big mistake to dismiss shellings insides out of hand right because those computers are part of your competition in the market. Get but I also think it's a mistake to believe that. The value effect for example is permanently gone from markets because computers can sweep the data for bargains faster than humans. As long as humans are humans value investing will endure. Now my discussion about I share repurchase in the last three episodes of my discussion today of why. I'm still bearish underscore. I hope they do for you. I hope they underscore my overall view that investing in stocks is difficult and complex requiring investors to entertain at times multiple competing viewpoints. Like Charlie monger. Says if you think it's easy you're stupid and we don't want to be stupid around here and I think not. Being stupid is is a much better thing to do than trying to be the especially clever but you know I don't want on the other hand I don't want investing in stocks seem undoable. I don't think it's undoable. It's just complicated and difficult like everything else in this life. That is worth doing all right. That's all I have to say about that. Let's talk with our three traders and see if they can help us get a handle on. What's happening today and I must warn you? These are three smart experienced guys. I seriously doubt they'll see things exactly the same way. So hopefully you'll get some more competing viewpoints to deal with and that is a good thing. Okay it's time for our interview this week. I have something very special for you. I thought it would be really cool to have have a little kind of a traders roundtable with not one not two but three of my stands. Mary colleagues aches. And we have for you today. Mr Ben Morris and Mr drew McConnell who take care of a publication called daily wealth trader for Stanbury Research. And we have Mr Greg Diamond. Who Does the ten stock trader publication for Stands Berry Research Research? So I'M GONNA ask them some questions and talk about their various views on things at the moment and I think we should start if oh I could just. Maybe we'll start in alphabetical order. And we'll go like Ben Drew Greg If we could just start with you bannon just wh wh- what are you if you is it possible for you to sum up it briefly what it is. You're trying to do with each issue of the daily L. E. wealth trader. Yes it has brought a question for you know I rated A. Every day so it's not an issue at all What yeah what what drew and I do daily while trader what? Our goal is is I to educate people people and keep neutral safe in the world of trading that is often often the has a lot of people tout- touting huge gains and enorm- you know taking enormous risks so we try and put all that in context and show people Really how to create low downside. High upside trades that's number one and then number two do. We provide people with a lot of trade ideas So they can achieve their financial goals safely. And you know we're traders but we're not looking to take big risks. Okay that sums it up really. Well drew anything to add to that I would just add that We also do a lot of commentary on the markets of their something big. That's going on We usually cover and provide our insights. And it's not always what you're going to see elsewhere any media. We kind of look at things a little bit differently. So that's the The one other aspect I would say recovering data trader. Okay Great How about I'm Greg? What do you try to do each time? You put out an issue of the ten stock trader Well my my service is a little different the fact that I have an APP ten stock trader Apple. You guys can download those listening And it's Asa a weekly outlook as well and basically what I'm trying to do. Is You know about a year and a half ago poorer kind of tap on the shoulder and said you know I want you to be More of the on the aggressive side meaning options so I try naked long options. Which is it tends to be very risky but I stress As Ben said it can it can be risky. But I stress risk management in terms of position sizing but basically what I'm looking for are big moves in the market looking for volatility And that's where you know. Long option trading Can get you some big gains and so I that that's the the trading strategy around it Ten stock trader. And then you know with the APP. I'm continuously throughout the day updating subscribers on various levels various setups on looking at Things that are happening the market which. I'm sure we'll get. There's no shortage of today And and so you know it's kind of a constant you know Almost like I was trading. I worked for a Hedge Fund and work for a pension fund work for bank Trading various asset classes. Listen you know it's you're constantly in In a battle you know. You're you're in the weeds every day and so I try to take much of that environment and put it into The service ten stock trader. Here Santer. Okay so definitely two different perspectives on trading and before we go any further. I just want to say a word about my own view and technical analysis because the three guys. I'm talking to you today. They actually do it and they actually know how to do it. And I don't know how to do it and I think there's the belief of on at least one of the group that I really think technical analysis Alice's is is not a good thing that's not true at all. Sometimes I am critical of of the way you know like naive beginning. Investors I do technical analysis. You know that's when I start talking about you know it's random they see these patterns like seeing faces in clouds or Jesus on toast or whatever And they think I. I'm afraid that too. Many people think technical analysis is supposed to be easy but nothing in life that's worth doing. Hiring is easy. And these guys you just heard Greg Talk. You just heard Benadryl. I mean this is not easy. They show up every day and they have a lot of experience under their belts and a lot of study and So that that's just the difference in case anybody thinks I'm against technical analysis. That's not at all. I just think most people ah most people look at it the wrong way but not the three guys on our program today so so with that said guys I want to get to the big Enchilada I and the Big Enchilada is your current view on where the stock market is headed the overall equity market. And I just WanNa make sure I get it right here Ben Andrew you guys are basically in a pretty bullish nance right now. Yeah I think think from what I've read yeah and drew you're looking for a pretty big downward move correct. You Mean Greg. I'm sorry I'm sorry regret. That's a wreck in short term I think we're going to see some volatility but I in the long term. I am I am bullish. Just you know. Maybe we'll get to it but nothing else matters other than the Federal Reserve. I say okay good to know all right. So it's interesting to me than Dan that I perceived at one way and you're kind of correcting me a little bit there Greg because you know for example you you did put out a thing recently that I took it as kind of bearish when you talk Haas. Semiconductors and Korea. Yeah sure so so again you know you can you can can have these. I think this is this. You know kind of going back. To what trading is you know. There's no difference between trading and investing other than your time horizon trading simply short term investing And so you know you look for Dan you know extreme value look for longer you know five ten twenty year trends and we look for five day five minute five week trans so it just depends on on time horizon. Sheriff tried to extract that Alpha using technical analysis. You know you can kind of You know use different things to be able to tell you or at least give a probability because we all deal improbability no matter you know what kind of methodology you you so you use that probability to tell you okay you know I think at this point you know. There's a five day window where stocks are going to do XYZ and so yes over. You know some of those things that I pointed out between the semiconductors and the Korean Kospi that told me that you know there is going to be some type of short-term pullback were you're seeing that this week so it just it's a matter of time horizon for me I see and and and I'm Ben. I'll just go to you. You are the you guys are decidedly bullish. Yes it's I'll just say it's it's interesting that Greg definitely operates on a much shorter time frame than we do Our trade generally last between one month and say six months so we are bullish in the six month time horizon even even even probably shorter than that but over the next month Definitely cautious. I mean we've seen a big run hire. You're and while we're not going short here we do think it's a great time to hold off and placing nutrients it's So yeah bullish longer term cautious short term. And if I could just jump in there Dan you know Just bend common just reminded item. You something so you know you talk about different horizons you talk about you know. He says one six months and with myself trading options. You know you deal with something called fate which is time decay so not only yes. I'm trying to create that volatility or not create volatility captured that volatility. But you're not just fighting against you know the direction she of the market. You're also fighting against time. Now when you get it right make a lot of money When you get it wrong you know the good thing about naked long options? Is You know exactly what you're losses going to be which is the initial investment. But you know again. It goes to the different different views that the different methodologies that Ben Andrew Uses Poza y Oh you so there's different dumb. The I think if subscribers out there are going to Try to get into technical analysis. I think the combination of both products are are really a great way way to start. Yeah Yeah I would have to agree with that. I mean I It's sounds very self serving. must say that but it really makes a lot of sense Okay so time. Horizons are generally different between the two of you and yet longer term you bow say oh you know you're you're probably on the bullish side Even if you're bearish in the shorter term yeah and for me. A long-term is maybe the next last year. I'm not looking out much past that I see and Greg for you the same thing when you say long term a year. Yeah I would say you know at least going into the next election That that would be my my so yeah a year so so yeah about a year. How about you drew same thing? Yeah I how's this same thing. So I'm I'm kind of leaning the same way that Greg is in the shorter term. We've turned a bit more cautious because markets have had a huge rally ear and and sent Meggett extremely stretched on. And we'd like to look at a couple of different things you know there's book all ratios irs distance removing averages. You know you can look at whatever you want but over the past couple of weeks Almost all of them have reached extremely bullish territory. So we've Kinda pull in the reins bit but longer longer term. The way that I see the mark is that we had a huge run Leading up into twenty eighteen. And then really we've had a sideways consolidation. Yeah it was very very volatile and we had a lot of downs but now we are just breaking out of this again the upside and that's bullish so over the next year or two years I wanNA focus on and finding longs on weakness not trying to short this market. I see that makes a Lotta sense and if I could just start with have you been I WanNa talk a little bit about technical analysis because like I said before. I'm afraid that too many people think of it has it. It should be an easy way like a button. You could push to make money come out of the machine or something and and I don't think that's what it is at all So Oh maybe I don't know. Can you talk a little bit about how you learn to do. This and You know what the You know what what is the core. What are the core ideas for understanding technical analysis? Yes so that's a big question I'd say ah I learned from doing and reading a lot of books and just seeing what works and looking at tons and tons of charts Everybody has the things that they like to look at for me The trend is the most important thing I use is the fifty and two hundred day moving averages as my primary trends fifty being intermediate term two hundred days long-term to me bullish chart is trading above its rising moving averages and Berisha's trading below its falling moving averages ages That's one thing and I also like to look at volume The amount of shares trading day. When there's there's a lot of shares traded in a day or a week when the stock is moving higher it means that the buyers are in control of the buyers? You're pushing the price higher. And there are a lot of people interested when there's a big volume spike On a day or a week when the the asset is moving lower the bears are in control the seller so that provides Kind of context. I don't usually trade just just on that but it provides some support for what I'm looking at and then the other thing is that I look at certain levels old highs old lows And again the moving average is as a way to define risk So if you're buying stock and and you can get in near the old lows that may mean you can set a really tight stop-loss without taking too much downside risk and that can be a good thing for or increasing your position size potentially with still limiting your risk so Yeah that's main things. I look at so the trend is my friend. That's right that's right. How about you drew? What how? How did you come to learn technical analysis? And and what's you know. Is there like a core principle at the heart of it for you so I I think I look Dunkel analysis a little bit differently than than other people. And you may be surprised to hear that I'm actually not a huge fan of a lot of technical indicators the basis for most of the things I do in trading has really basic basic analysis. I I look at horizontal support and resistance. So that's a real simple thing. Just look at you know reason highs and lows like bensaid And then I like to try and look at where traders are trapped. So are there places that people may be sold short that was at a bad level and then they're going to have to cover to get out of their positions or vice versa. Are there places where people bought when prices are a little bit too high and now they've got a cell together positions visions. Those types of moves are often based on emotion and they create exaggerated moves where you can profit pretty quickly so personally I mean I. I learned a lot of that. Through experience unfortunately trying out a lot of different indicators reading about different types of trading styles in seeing things that worked and didn't work and and a lot of things did not really work out for me but There's I mean there's an infant number of books or the Internet where you can find pretty much everything you want to know about technical analysis Ossis. Okay Greg same question. I'll actually start with a story And that's how it got me into technical analysis so my first trading job was with with a Commodity Trading Advisor Cam Company in Baltimore and my boss at the time had worked for a legend Paul Tudor Jones And you know I was young. I was twenty one and I was actually studying for my CFA. Which is the quintessential fundamental charter holder Or a a membership whatever you WANNA call it certificate and he said what are you doing. I said well. Isn't this what everybody does. And he said if you want to understand trading if you want to understand Stan how to make money if you want to understand the INS and outs of how markets move why markets move. He goes burn that book and learn understand. Technical Analysis. Understand what why live. Markets do the way why Marcus move the way that they do. And so that Kinda set me on a whole different path I didn't think was possible Or just I didn't even anticipate paid and So I went on to get my C. N. P. which is a charter. Market Technicians Certificate and you know that's kind of where my my technical career took off. And I think what what a lot and you kind of touched on this earlier Dan in terms of you know the beginner The Jesus on toes you know the people beloved talk about different patterns and stuff like that hadn't shoulders double tops. Double bottoms and stuff like that. And it's not that that doesn't matter but what people need to understand about. Technical analysis is that there's nothing new under the Sun. And that what you when you're looking at a chart you're really looking at the collective behavior of all the investors at one time with whatever time period you're looking at and so human behavior never changes human behavior never changes then guess what happens with you know price behavior that never changes either It's not to say static static. My point is is that it it. It goes in different cycles. It goes in different trends. It happens over and over and over and over again and the more you study that the more you'll understand that bat again you deal improbabilities but this is why I love. Technical analysis is because it it. It's not just telling you what's happening. But it also is a risk management tool so if I understand that a certain pattern of certain set up a certain indicator has done this before. And it's going to do it again. And I put that trade on and then that fails I get out immediately immediately because I know that you know fail single. Sometimes it happens but when it's when it's true signal and you really hit it you can make a lot of money so I think there is a misconception. About what what technical analysis really is And what it means and you know I look at a lot of stuff. That June ben talked about I also look at time cycles. I look at Ganassi's I look Elliott. Wave theory so Some you know a little bit more down the rabbit hole but I encourage people to to to be more involved with technical analysis and it's not to say that fundamental analysis doesn't matter either they both have their place But just to add your retool candidate technical analysis is a great thing to have now when you say add to your toolkit like that I always wonder about that Greg. Because it's it's it's hard to do two things really well in this life and if I'm a good fundamental bottom up investor. I become skeptical the more or I do this the more. I become skeptical that I could sort of add technical analysis To my tool kit in that way so I mean does that make sense. I understand I mean from a look your long term fundamental guy so take the long-term technical approach you know something like drew talk about with a long term moving average or You know you're looking at a ten year charter and you see that you have this volatility twenty teams a perfect example. And you see some stocks I said are approaching whatever trendline whatever moving average whatever oversold level and you have a five year horizon. You like. Hey this things. On sale the fundamentals are still in place and this trend line or support line or moving average is holding. Let's add to our position so it doesn't mean that you have to be an expert on it but to recognize the fact that you know there's some type of price behavior occurring around a stock that you like that has the fundamentals that you look for. I think that's something that you can add. Doesn't mean you have to be an expert. Okay I'm going to start with you ben on this next question And Greg alluded to this question when he talked about you know the price price in the market being the some of what. Everyone's doing right now I've heard it said that technical analysis is in fact Just a way to gauge the the psychology of the market. Do you think it's as simple as that or or is that just kind of another way of looking at it. How do you feel about that view? I think that's a huge piece of it Yet like Greg said. Price Action is the result of group group behavior And Yeah I think that's the best way to look at it really when you see a huge sell off based on headline headline And you can understand that. Oh this is what people are feeling right now. And here's what they're doing because of how they're feeling if if you can understand that then you will be able to be a little bit more objective and take a position based on your beliefs that that don't necessarily Lineup with with what. The mass psychology is at that moment especially if it's you know something that you think is temporary. Okay now drew and Greg. Why would you generally agree with what Ben just said? Yeah I think so. No I mean it's a it's all a piece of the puzzle and it helps to to look at it through that Lens and then we talked about this today when you can get more things to line up so when you get the fundamentals of technicals when you have right sentiment when those things all come together you know that's when the picture is really clear and that's when you want to invest I would agree about also add Can't tell you how many times I've seen in my career where something is lining up and it's like okay. This is a really big setup but but you know the media is talking about this This headline is talking about that. You know an boom. The price action has it precedes the headline. And you see this a lot. You know. The president trump tweets. Or you know China comes out with whatever around the trade or whatever might be. It's also happens a lot around Economic data specially payrolls. So which is this Friday which I tend to To love to trade. Because I see these setups and I'm like you know what I think. This is going to be a bad number just based on the price action that I see and I know that might sound weird but I promise you if you study technologists enough to begin to see. It doesn't work every time again. You know or do we deal. improbabilities were were were single. gathers not single hunters. So we deal in the probability of the signals that we see but I can tell you just from the fifteen years. I've been doing this. That the The price action often leads what the headlines comment come in with afterwards now. That is very very interesting to me. It's very interesting said that Greg because my next question for all of you would have been this if this really is if if this price action that you guys spend your career is looking at every single day Means you know is essentially Leo wave. Gauging the psychology of the market. Like before someone buys and sells something presumably they would have already thought and felt that thing. So I understand that we're GONNA see the headlines after the price action because that's the way journalism works but it. It would seem to me that there's something happening before that price moves. There's some trend at work and it would be nice. Wouldn't in it if there are a way of getting that before the the price moves you know. I mean. That's the goal all right. It's a newspaper these labor today and it doesn't you know it's not that it's people oh psychic or something. It has nothing to do with that again. It's about dealing in the probability so Again I'll go with the economic data but you know if I see the setup and there is a again deal probability ability there's an eighty percent probability let's say and I know that if it crosses XYZ level that. I'm wrong but if I'm right and that set up his big you know you can make a lot the money. So that's That's where I see it and I it just again. It happens all the time I see all the time. And it. Just it makes you a believer and it there's nothing perfect I mean the old saying that The stock market Sole purpose is to embarrass mankind Has Some say there so you know as you said the beginning everything. There's nothing easy in life in it and it takes a lot of work. Trust me but You know you when you start to see these little intricacies within the market market and then around kind of the media and headlines and and what happens you just begin to to have an appreciation for another thing to add to that is You know sometimes there are. There's price action that just seems out of place Given given the context of what's happening in the world For example I've noticed over the last couple of months. Still stocks. have been firming up We recommend Detroit on. US steel awhile back in daily wealth trader and stopped out of it but considering littering the whole commentary about slowdown and trade war. And all that you would you would think steel stocks would just be falling apart art. And they've held up reasonably well. They've and they've climbed over the last month or so And then there was a deal to Announced I think yesterday to buy AK steel stock shot up about ten percent or so and it was already up. Probably thirty percent offense lows you know why are still stocks going up in this environment. I don't know but it caught my eye. And then when AK steel was taken out you know I wasn't surprised there's something going on there So I think I think when you can see these kind of little little things in the market that just don't seem to make sense and try and figure out what's going on. Sometimes you can't figure out what's going on but just the price action. Lets you know that. There's something something happening there. it's worth keeping an eye on. That's interesting to me. A couple of ways one of them is as soon as I hear you say You know there's something going on there. My natural inclination is to find out what the heck it is like you know. Is there some country. That's building bridges or you know skyscrapers scrapers that I should know about some some huge country But I guess the price action is all you need. Is that too simplified banners. That just about right well. It's not all I need. I mean I'd love to find the fundamental reason for what's going on and look for it I look for the headlines signed look for Changes but a lot of times like Greg said. The price action precedes the news. So sometimes you see this as weird thing that's going on and then the news comes out later so the price action is really helpful there. And you've got a you've got to remember that at the investors that you're trading against are the biggest banks with the smartest people with the most money and the best computers and the most developed research teams. They they have way more information than we do and yet they are trading. You know well ahead of us. So they're GONNA move price action before smaller. Investors get that information so the price action is showing you. What could happen ahead of time? And I'll even add to that so going back to my days at Campbell it said it was a CPA commodity trading advisor that is purely quant fund. It is model driven. Meaning we have some unbelievably talented wanted unbelievably intelligent people in the back. My saying the back there in their own offices but they're researching researching all the different price action as happened throughout all of history and putting together math. That has nothing to do with the fundamentals of anything that you're talking about right so when people think when people think that that is he's technical analysis they're researching past price behavior to try to profit from future price behavior So I think that you know again just adds to you the The credibility of technical analysis and why it should be a part of of anyone. Some toolkit even yours Dan. Yeah Yeah. Hey I'm not not saying you're wrong about that Especially considering what value is done for several years. I wish I'd had some technical analysis So you you bring up. An drew brought up an interesting point which is that your your competition has more people and computers and information that you know you and I can ever hope to have That should make what we do harder than what they do right or no I mean yeah I I think it does make it more challenging. So you've got a B A mind your risk and you have to You know follow some basic you know investing rules you want to control your the downside and unlimit your upside is you WanNa hold onto winners and you WanNa make sure you don't lose too much when you're wrong But you also want to make sure you cut those trades quickly when you're not right because you know an outcome in the market is not certain so you know these guys been talking about risk management lengthen. It it's critical to your success and also also say something around that in terms of you know there's there's a misnomer general misunderstanding about what professional trading actually is and you talk about big gains gains and you see these hedge fund guys and stuff like that you know in a professional environment. I'll just give you a a really small example You know there was a fun that I was I was looking at and this is how professional training works. Give you ten million dollars and you keep fifty percent of everything that you make. Sounds pretty good right but the moment you go below zero they start cutting your book. So if you're down to percents three percent there are cut in your book. One two three four million dollars. Why do they they do that? They want to do that because they don't want you. Taking on tremendous amounts of risk I talked about how trading is just simply short term investing. And what they want to see. Is You know a thousand dollars here. Five thousand dollars there. You know when you have a loss it's five hundred dollars to one thousand. When you have a gain is five thousand the seven thousand and at the end of the year you make five to seven percent? Let's say you make seven percents you keep. You can do the math. That's pretty that's pretty damn good living right and you keep doing that a year after year after year. Yes let's say every three years you know you're up seven or eight percent. Maybe you're up eleven you go for that twenty percent year You know if it's September October torture and you go for that so I think there's a misconception about what trading is You know they all it's going to be. This is going to be that it's really about just that short term investing thing and creating Alpha but it's absolute return not worried about a benchmark. You're not worried about anything else. Other than extracting short term gains out of the market and tactical analysis. It's definitely a way to do that. Extracting short term gains for the market. Just sounds so insanely difficult to a guy like me. It's I mean it's not easy but it's not easy but like you said what is right. What is what is what is easy in life? That's worth doing all right so I wonder if we could talk right now about any specific. Like we've made your views on where stocks are probably going in the short term. And then maybe over the next year you're bearish short-term bullish longer term next year so are there any specific pockets of opportunity and we'll start with. Have you been That you guys are looking at right now. You don't have to give away your trade advice that you sell to people in the daily trader but maybe you can just generally tell. Tell us about pockets of opportunity that you've seen recently yet. I'll mention One that's caught my eye just Every every month at the start of the month and daily while trader we'd do a sector update We look at the eleven major sectors of the S. and P. Eighty five hundred and we look at their performance over the past month and past six months And you know a Lotta people just look at. What are the major indexes doing? But they don't look down at the sector level and when you break it down to the sector level you start to see you. which sectors leading the market which sectors are lagging And the stories a lot more complete so for longtime mm healthcare had been lagging the market and probably for the last at least the last year. going going back a few months back a year prior to that health cared really been doing poorly over the last few months. It started to do really well and actually I I think last our latest sector update Looking back at November healthcare was the best or second best over both timeframes and and to me that that says there's something changing here and I'm really interested in healthcare stocks. They've been really strong lately. I'd like to see a pullback and if we get a pull-back were definitely looking to buy healthcare name so Yeah they've been lagging now. They're leading that's bullish sign. Sounds good drew. Do you have a different one than that I would agree with everything. Benjamin said Yeah. There's in the last couple of weeks we've seen a ton of deals come through and biotech So that kind of matches up with this With that big theme mm-hmm and there's one other sector have been keeping an eye on this the home builder's Dave up about or they are up about fifty percent this year and they've just been incredibly strong long. We've traded Toll Brothers a few times which is a luxury home builder. And that's one that we we don't have a position on probably looking at again here in the future and yes that's a the sector that we like law. Okay sounds good Greg. How about you any any specific pockets of opportunity? You're finding lately give you some volatility Dan. That's what I need. I need some volatility Now it's Pockets you know I I actually. I do like healthcare and I put out a piece a couple of weeks ago ago It hasn't been keeping up with the overall market But over the last week or two of their has been incredible strength So I agree with Ben Andrew on a pull back. That's probably a long-term by Also looking at retail An and in short term. I'm a little concern about it If you look at and I'm GONNA. I actually talked about this next week a lot. But if you look at what is the X.. RT which is the retail ETF It's really just been a kind of choppy consolidated tolerated mass for the last call to all the eighteen months You know and that speaks to the consumer. I mean you look. I mean this holiday season you look at Black Friday. Apparently there is this parley anybody in the brick and mortar stores relative to past years And you know everything's online. Well then you look at Amazon and and that topped out in two thousand eighteen and and hasn't been you know as strong as you would think now that you know some of that has to do with cloud business and other things but you know. The retail side died Is something that I'm GonNa keep an eye on because going out long-term in terms of looking where pockets of opportunity are for long-term investments assignments. You know I think that As interest rates continue to go lower and if the Fed keeps cutting which I think they will You know that is just going to spur her lower interest rates More credit available and that is the Fed's goal is to get people to spend money so if that's the case that's the long term fundamental case. But you know in the in the short term technical picture in. Oh it's just kind of sand you know there's not much here interesting. Okay okay You know that's just about all the time we have but I do WanNa go to each one of you at this is like the standard way that I and all my interviews because I think it really helps the listener a lot so I would be grateful if you guys could do that. Each Ben If we could start with you if I can ask you just to leave our listener with one thought what might that be I'd say that even if you're skeptical that stocks are going higher you're Hold some stocks and kind of build your positions over time. I think that the I think that interest rates could will likely stay lower for longer than people expect. I think stocks could rise for longer than people expect and and you don't want to be out of the stock market here so start small if you're skeptical Cut Your risk whenever you can but definitely hold stocks okay drew how about you. One thought to leave the listener with Ya. I would say I would Echo Ben Thoughts and say that you know the market is in an uptrend were trading you know right near all time highs So you WANNA stay with stocks you know. Crashes are not that common and everybody seems to want to predict one every other a day. It's just better to mind trend and continue Ryan stocks higher and you Greg. One thought for our listener one thought is control your risk when when it comes to trading when it comes to investing matter what control your risk that means position sizing get out. When you're wrong patrol risk? I cannot think of a better place ace to leave us. Thank you for that Listen thank you guys for doing this. I've really enjoyed it and I maybe we can get back together and six months and and and do it again sometime. That'd be nice that'd be nice. Yep Sounds Good Dan all right guys thanks a lot and we'll we'll talk to you in six months thank you. Hey guys real quick I just Wanna I tell you something. 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You can write into feedback an investor our dot Com with all of your comments questions and politely worded criticisms and I will read every single one of them no longer reading the Russian spam. But I'm reading everything you send me and then I have a couple of this week. It was kind of light you know around the holidays kind of expect that but the first one is brings up an interesting acting topic. It's from Brendon K.. And he says hi Mr Ferris. I wanted to get your opinion on tax loss harvesting given we are at the end end of the year I have a couple of securities in my portfolio that I don't want to sell but in interested implying this method to save money on taxes and for example he says take for example altius minerals with which I have an unrealized loss of about ten to fifteen percent this good stock to sell and buy again in the New Year or only by more since the price yields a better value and could double overnight which characteristics are underlying qualities of a stock would would make you consider applying tax laws harvesting to a given security any advice or simply. Your opinion would be much appreciated as always thank you for all the value provide refined each and every week. I'm coming around. Oh he says I'm coming around to the new podcast for him at best regards Brandon K. Hey well thank you brandon. This is an interesting topic. I cannot comment specifically on Altius because I've recommended in my newsletter. So that might this might might be misconstrued as giving individual advice but I can tell you generally how I feel about this. It is mostly applicable to highly highly speculative thing. In my opinion. This is the way I see it. I see it. As being. Mostly applicable to more speculative names like biotech I attack and the really small cap mining stocks with like no revenue and some have no assets to speak of. But you know the real flyers right if you intend if I intend on holding something for a long time to me. It's not a candidate for our tax laws harvesting. Because I don't like the idea of buying something in you know selling something for tax laws and then buying it back also depending on you. You should ask secure account and how much how much you can really Expect to save on taxes. 'CAUSE overall I've found that it ain't much and for me at this point in my life. It's not even worth thinking much about this. So there's that I don't know what your situation is but you should ask you're counting about it and overall too. I think I think it's a mistake. In general to prioritize tax ex- considerations. You should prioritize in my opinion whether or not you really liked the business and WanNa keep holding it whether or not. They're making lots of money doing what you expect them to do. Rather than trying to save a few bucks on taxes one year by thinking that you're clever and you know selling and buying back so I I that's about all I can say and I hope I hope it's helpful but what you should really do is check with a tax professional to find out what you should do but those are my thoughts on how I think about what I do okay and I just have one more of these this week. This is from Paulie and I think Paulie a portion of his. His was a longer one but he says you are gentleman and a scholar. I think most listeners would love to spend in time with you keep just being you and you will continue to be great at this. I do have one question for you on a few of your podcast. You have mentioned the road ahead. Looks tough for bonds. I believe you were implying. Treasury Bonds I on corporate bonds via stanbury credit opportunities when you say bonds are you typically talking about treasuries or do you bucket both treasuries and corporate bonds together Paul E. So Paul. There's there's a difference thanks. It's not whether it's treasuries are corporates for me. Although in general you know the treasuries there there you know. The interest is going to be paid in the principal's going to be paid back. They they can print the money to do it so I think you're you're pretty safe there and you know a lot of corporate bonds are pretty safe to but to figure out whether they're safe it's a it's a bottom up exercise that's what they do in stands berry credit opportunities. They they do the same thing with bonds that that we do in stocks in extreme value. Take them one at a time from the bottom up so whether or not a particular bond is a good idea is different than noticing that the bond market globally is valued more highly than it's ever been in history. It's hard to believe right. It's hard to believe that you know. Even if you buy say you buy some sovereign yielding bond. I'm sorry it's a sovereign bond that yielding like you know just say one percent you know from some country like Japan. I think a lot of those things are yielding negative so this one percent bond is a fantasy right now but let's just say it's a you know let's just say it's a five or ten year bond yields one percent. I think you're GONNA get your one percent that you're gonna get your principle back what I have noticed that I think is crazy. Is The all the negative yielding debt in developed sovereign countries and Japan Japan. The biggest one. That's why the example makes it a fantasy so Japan's the biggest one and and Europe most of the rest of them are in Europe that are negative yielding yielding. So to me that's crazy and you're guaranteed to get less out of it. You're guaranteed to lose money. You're guaranteed get less back. Then you put in. But people buy them because they're just so scared and you know we had marked Al when the program several episodes ago and he told us some reasons why people buy them you know they're currency hedges and and you know there's a fear trade too so I don't know I I don't know if that makes it clear to me. The bottom line is the the part that I hope is clear. Is that saying the overall bond market is expensive is very different than assessing assessing individual bonds. Wanted a time. That's that's what I had to say about. That is a very good question though. Paul you know when when I say stocks are are more or expensive than ever in history people right in saying you still recommend stocks right and okay. That's a valid question but there there to kind of totally different things and we recognize to part of this is that we recognize that I hate to I hate eight to refer to it as this but calling the top or you know I. It amounts to calling the top. which is something? I don't WanNa have to admit to doing because I think it's a fool's errand trend but but when you get cautious because you think things are too high it's sort of like calling atop I have to admit and that's rare. You probably won't do it. You may get within the neighborhood of it and like I said earlier in the program you know if you even come close to it if you even come close to recognizing that stocks locks are way way overvalued. If you're within two years of it or three years in two in the year two thousand when that bear market finally hit it took stocks back to like nineteen ninety six levels so you can be within a few years and still be right even though it looks like you're wrong for a few a year. She got what I'm saying. They're so so noticing these things it's valuable but it's really difficult. I think it's easier to find a great business and buy their stock or find great business and buy their bond. Actually I hope that helps. Thank you very good question I feel like I could do half the program on that sometimes. It's very good. Okay folks. That's it for another episode of the stands Berry investor our. I'm your host Dan Ferris. I love of being here. It's a privilege to come to you this week. In every week. Please go to our website. WWW DOT investor our dot com. Where you can listen to every episode? We've ever done and you can see a transcript of every episode. We've ever done. 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Learn About Prostate Health & Problems

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Learn About Prostate Health & Problems

"Welcome to dishing up nutrition. This show is brought to you by nutritional weight and wellness. I'm very aware that each time I get the privilege of CO hosting this program I typically start out by saying something like we have a great show planned for you today and we do and we do and I believe that every time I say, but today I'm feeling just a little differnt today. I'm certain. We have a show that's going to be better than great I think. We should call it exceptional. All of you listening are in for a real treat because we have in studio joining me today to experts in the field nutrition I. I'd like to introduce Greg Peterson to olive you greg is a wealth of information about many different health topics. But today we've asked him to be a guest on dishing up nutrition and bring his knowledge and expertise to. All of you on the specific topic of prostate health, and before we get into that topic, I, wanted to tell you a little bit more about Greg Greg has been passionate about nutrition for at least the past forty years now, and he really understands how nutrition can help people feel their best and it was way back in nineteen seventy, three that greg and his brother Dave started. Their own nutrition based company and I think a lot of our listeners are going to know the name of this company. But I I wanNA tell you Greg and Dave started the company in the basement of their mom and dad's house in that great well I. Just say, thank you to your mom and dad right that they take over that space because now we have neutra dine. Thanks to mom and Dad, and thanks to Greg and Dave's passion and drive nutrient dine has grown and grown and grown over the past forty years, and now they're one of the leading supplement companies in the United States. Not only think about that for minute one of the leading. Companies in the country in the country and our our we soon to expand is that what I could be. Talking. About the earlier to have. Into Europe quite a bit. Now, we have very prolific K distributor forests, and soon will be moving into Asia as well. Just kind of finalizing those things and. So there. I it's been very interesting ride you know and love it all and my mom bless her heart. She earned sainthood. You know by giving up her home to her two sons and You call her call, her your indentured servant back then so she not the basement that you must have helped out. I did write a poem for her at Memorial I was called my almost perfect mother. Tribute to to all the things that had done for family. Odd. That's wonderful. Privilege to have you on. Today. Thank you yes and we are privileged to have that other voice here in studio to that other voice that you hear many of you already have recognized is dark vist as many of you know, Dr is the founder of nutritional weight and wellness. She's also a certified nutrition specialist and Greg and Dr have actually been friends for over thirty years. They tell me and if you were to know both of them like I do that wouldn't surprise you because they both share a similar passion which is basically teaching people the. Value of nutrition for Greg and for Dr. it's really all about helping people achieve long term health and if you haven't recognized my voice yet I'm Cassie wieners I'm a registered and licensed Dietitian I have been for the past twenty two years. So I have a couple of decades of of knowledge and expertise that I could share but I think mostly I'm going to let Greg Dr Lead the show today and I'll I'll be the moderator for the most part and before we get into our topic I want to let. You know that prior to today, we asked listeners to send in some questions that they have regarding prostate health and prostate problems, and in that process, we also received some questions about prostate cancer. So we hope to have time to answer those questions I know the hour goes by really fast but hopefully, we can get to all of those questions and I know Greg has a plethora of information and research that he's brought along surrounding specific supplements when it comes to the health of the prostate gland and of course because. We are nutritional, weight and wellness. We will be discussing some research around food habits and our own lifestyle habits that can contribute to an inflamed prostate gland and I'm sure there are some men out there listening that are well aware that if you have an inflamed prostate gland, it can create quite a bit of discomfort. So Greg, thank you so much for being with us today. It's going to be fun. I understand that deb your wife is a fan of dishing up nutrition dismiss it. Well, thank you. She loves it she. She she feels get such good valuable practical information and you are her favorite too so. Greg. I know you are constantly reading research. Old Research and do research but I've heard about your file cabinet that is many file cabinets. Full research information just. Even come into the. The newest century yet because I still have file cabinets a fall him whereas most people would put them on their computer I still digging through looking at the paper copies I have filed and filed. Miles of that to not quite sure what to do with it sometimes. I hear you Matt Yep. So you started neutral dine. Like. Thirty forty years ago forty years ago. And now it's just a really well known well respected someone company but you also provide a lot of education for people just and that's I. think that's the key part is that you provide really well researched information for people. For practitioners I mean you're always sending all of us information and research in fact. One of the things that I really respect the most about your company is that. You are so careful with ingredients that go into the supplements and I don't think people really understand how careful people need to be I know Korean. I we. Thought you know we're could we find a better person to work? Until you actually you all of our settlements that we have at nutritional weight and wellness basically almost all of them. And you Kinda formulae to make sure that the quality is great and so. Is there I mean I think sometimes you can look at a supplement bottle and not really be getting the potency that you think you are but. Yeah, that's a compliment. Isn't it Dr that you work with him because you're very particular I am and in what the other thing that I like about it is that. It's a fair price for people. I'm always trying to save my clients money on supplements. Actually I want good quality. And you provide that. So that's great. So you know one of the things that's happening lately no is that there seems to be. A bit of fraud going on with the supplement business. And that's kind of more what is found on the Internet. Could. What is what are some of the well respected companies doing these days? To can stop some of that fraud and maybe just explain to our listeners what really is going on because it's really eye opening when you you talked about it about a year ago with. I was shocked I didn't know this was even going on. Well. There's a lot of weird stuff going on on the Internet and your first of all, he wanted to make sure you're you're working with a reliable company company nutrition company because. So. Many of them not with a call GNP certified good manufacturing practices you know, and that's where you are sure that what is going into the product they say on the label, it's going into the product is actually going into the product, and so they're not even gop certified. They're not even she shouldn't be considering them at that point. How does a company like yours get certified because I know that the things to provide for us all the supplements? They've been certified but how what's the process for people because they understand? What really goes on we'll? See. A governmental. Type of certification. Yeah. So you have a couple of NSF, which is your national. Sanitary Foundation you know. So they have a group of auditors that they actually come out to your manufacturing facility and the duo complete. Overview of it making sure everything is done ride. It's sanitary They make sure that you have what they call certificate of analyses on Park you make so that if I say we have a thousand milligrams of vitamin C. in their product you're assured it's thousand milligrams of vitamin C and without that kind of GNP certification, you don't know could be thousand could even be hundred milligrams in their product So it's a very strict audit that you get in. You do a lot of you know celebrated high fives when you get it because it's not easy. And we're triple GNP certified. Sonali did NSF come out and you know GNP good manufacturing practices certify us but also were certified through the NPA. That's national natural You Know Products Association. Then also through a Tgi, which is then more of a international certification for quality and also Health Canada certified. So we're we have all of the different certifications that you absolutely know when you're getting that product. What's on the label is in the product and there's no contaminants in the product at all. Let me give you an example of I know that one of their products certainly has met all that criteria and that would be our magnesium. Because, we get such amazing results with our magnesium. GRAYSON eight. Yes. But you know, and then a Lotta Times that people go to a big box store or ordered off online someplace. They don't get the same results. So that sorta proof that it works. What they're getting is the real product in that magnesium place in it. Absolutely because somebody say museum glazed into on the label in it's not really magnesium glades nate, if it's not certified. With it so that is such good information, right because I think. So many people out there don't realize that it's kind of an unregulated industry unless you have some of these stamps unless you know, you know where you're getting your product and obviously get them from a reputable source like neutered. I in our nutritional weight and wellness, we're going to go to quick commercial break here if. You're just joining us. You're listening to dishing up nutrition brought to you by nutritional weight and wellness were here in Studio with Greg Petersen Co owner of neutral nine, a company specializing in pharmaceutical grade vitamin and mineral supplements, and we're talking all things prostate health stay with us. We'll be right back. Well, welcome back to dishing up nutrition our topic today is prostate health and prostate cancer. You may want to share this podcast today's show with your husband, your son, Your Dad, your brother, your nephew, your uncle, or even a friend although we always tried to our very best to us every day common language. So. Everyone can really understand it to explain some of these biochemistry that we always start going through. It can still be a little difficult to understand in, and that's why we think men in your life could really benefit greatly from this show because it is a very often that we get the opportunity. To listen to such an expert is Greg Petersen. That's the truth. That's why I have my pen and paper here. I always learn new things when Greg's in the room. So when we went to break, we were talking about how the supplement industry in large part is is regulated and you're saying Greg to look for G., M. P. or NSF on the label I. Think there was more you wanted to talk about regarding the fraud within the supplement industry the potential fraud yes, and that's one of the more disturbing asks aspects of it because you know there's Enough, you know demand for the products and interest in these different. You know high quality professional lines where people actually will put connor fit products on the market on the Internet and all they have to do is run a label you know in apply to could be a product almost anything could be a product of discipline Siebel in so forth and then we'll put it on on the Internet. As A. Product you know or one of the professional lines and I heard and I don't know if this is true. That some of the products are they actually charge more? than. A practitioner would charge. Yes. They call that. Now the call them pass through stores on the Internet, and literally what some people will do is they will buy those professional brands and so forth from a practitioner, then we'll turn around and they'll put it on the Internet for you know like, say ten fifteen dollars more than what it retailed for, but there's such A. Demand for the product and sometimes you know the the ease of getting the product. So people are willing to pay that much more money for the same product. So either you could be getting a confident fit. You be paying way more than you should be for the product. It could be product that is just not testing well as well that might be contaminants in and so on. We had that you know example years ago where one of the the fish oil products had a pesticide contaminant in it and Ultimately. They got copper suit legally for doing that but that was a fish oil product that was found in the health would stars. They're like twin lab label GNC label soul garlic label. So labels that you would normally trust in a store still don't do the same due diligence that professional companies do with her their quality. That's kind of amazing. Isn't it scary? 'cause we tell people sometimes take six thousand milligrams depending on your condition and if they're buying it. At a store that's unregulated that those contaminants could pile up. So, you don't one of the other things. You guys are so good at educating practitioners and the other day you send us all a research study on vitamin D You know we keep talking about how important it is for vitamin D right now. Especially for immunity and then I noticed that one of the people that was. That conducted that research Dr Wallich? And I saw Dr Halley fifteen twenty years ago he was such a great presenter man. So I was really interested in this research. Could you just kind of share a little bit about it and I'm a fan of Doctor Hall Student Yeah He is He's fun. and. Learning Fun too. But India was actually just last month July twenty. Twenty. In the journal Nutrients Review it was immunologic fx vitamin D and Human Health and disease was the name of the article and they're talking about low levels of sirmium vitamin. D. Had increased the of developing several immune related diseases and disorders such as go through a whole list of them but also respiratory infection and covid nineteen has been observed. So. They actually have seen what with this recent pandemic that when your vitamin D levels are low, you're much more susceptible to that infection and the severity of infections while to. And then went on to say that in these are sometimes levels blood levels are we think are a little bit low but they're saying that about sixty percent of the population that they tested were getting below thirty. Of Vitamin D in their blood and we think that should be at least fifty don't wear you know up to sixty percent you know they like to see. So if you're looking at know six percent lower than thirty, how many people are what percents lower than sixty you might be way up there to eighty percent plus you know and so they found that you know with those lower levels and so forth, people were much more likely to have low immunity and be more susceptible to the infection and have you know a a worse time of it as well to they get the infection. Greg I remember the One presentation alcoholic made his pay went into a nursing home where you know people were just kind of bent over not able to function and they started giving in their vitamin D. level was very low until they started giving them vitamin D, and pretty soon, all their bone pain went away. And they were talking and playing cards again. Put a price tag on that now. A simple solution if it is the vitamin, D that's low. So I think everybody should be tested in no other number. That's great research. Thank you for sharing that. So bringing us back to the topic today of prostate health. In prostate problems, I want to share some telltale signs of prostate problems from an article that you actually wrote Dr It's called the prostate gland big trouble. I think you wrote this about four years ago now, but the information is still very timely. You remember that. Article you. So the first sense, you start off the article by saying if you're a man who needs to urinate frequently experiences decreased urine flow and needs to get up several times every night to go to the bathroom, you are likely experiencing a state problem. So, Gregg eater when we think about prostate. The first sign of prostate gland is decreased fearful on main. That's one of the things I think men experience So why is this happening to so many men these days I mean, why are they experiencing this Cana inflamed prostate and maybe go through and help people understand really what is going on with that gland Well I. Think you know one thing we know that. Very inflamed is a society. Now, they've correlated inflammation increase inflammation with every degenerative disease. We know whether it's heart disease cancer diabetes. You know what are the case might be, and that goes back to our lifestyle or eating way too many inflammatory foods you know the environmental pollution. Cities all to that inflammatory situation, and then I think also you have in the environment, you have different kinds of toxins, these estrogens, kinds of compounds. You a good example would be up. Sprayed. On the the crops and so forth. But Jim kinds of. Pesticides, herbicides, plasticizers, etc. that act like estrogen even though they're not estrogen, you can't talk to them because there are molecular Lee so similar to estrogen. So when these toxic compounds get into our system whether we ingest them or read them in and so forth, they will go to the cells and they can get entry into that cell. That usually only estrogen receptor actual estrogen would get into. So medically similar to it. That kind of bastardized estrogen gets into the cell in creates all kinds of havoc and stimulates you know breakdown and predisposition to cancers and so forth. So I think Leibovich is just our environment and we're exposed to what we're eating is so forth and then you have some of the things to be had a bacterial infection of the prostate. You know at one point could stimulate your more prostate types of problems. You might have a personality you know had. you know may like pelvic floor muscle problems. Yeah. So there's some muscular imbalance in their prostate area. you can have different viruses can create you know prostate inflammation and ultimately lead to possibly you know prostate cancers. So this is a lot of different environmental things and even structural things that we do in. You know excessive bicycle writing you know can also irritated inflamed the prostate to so well I know if I'm working with someone that has prostate cancer. I say, no more golf no more golfing because they use a lot of pesticides and insect sides on golf courses. Most of them, I think they're starting to change that as far as I know. You know just one example of of how. How we're getting exposed to all these chemicals, these days and how we have to protect ourselves. Absolutely and it's you know we're. Pre, sloppy through for many years on the golf course I can remember a teenage kid while walking barefoot and the golf, course And instead of. Taking my ball ball to the Washer I would just look it and rub it on my short. Noodles rate I mean. Being Unaware of the amount of pesticides. So don't go barefoot Honda. Yeah. So we're GONNA take another break, and then we'll come back to our topic of prostate health. Before we go to commercial I, just WANNA share as sitting here I'm thinking you know I have a husband I have a dad, two brothers, many uncles, but I'm the first to say in most cases, they don't really appreciate my enthusiasm about nutrition really oh my Lord Darlington. To North Dakota. As they sit here and look at Greg and listened to Greg I just really think they would connect with Greg. So I'm going to share this podcast with them and I just wanted to say that because I hope that if any of you listening have a special man or special men in your life, I hope you share this podcast with them will be back on the other side of this commercial break. Welcome back to dishing up nutrition. Even though we have many women in our nutrition classes. We do have some men who are being very proactive about their health and take our classes and I want to share a short story about Roger he signed up for Zoom version of nutrition for weight loss in an a very first week. He lost several pounds fact I heard seven of course that was great. But what was even better for him was the fact that the pain level from his gout became manageable and in fact, it sort of went away in his blood sugar. Went down that better his blood pressure got better. and. One of the things that he changed his longer making pasta hot dishes, any longer but he is actually making the hamburger soup, which is a little bit of work but it has a great recipe. It's a great recipe. Especially this time of year if your vegetables in your garden are overproducing like because you can throw anything in that hamburger soup and it's delicious and you know the recipes on our website at weight and wellness dot com. So we can go back to what we were talking about. Yes. Greg was talking about some potential causes of inflammation in the prostate gland and certainly at nutritional weight and wellness we've helped many men over the years established an anti inflammatory meal plan to help with prostate problems and we'll talk a bit more about that as the hour goes on but for now, I would love to. Hear Greg Talk a little bit more about supplements that could help because we've seen that a lot of men need additional help besides just the Diet to help reduce that inflammation. So maybe you want to talk first about prostate pro Greg I know this has been a very effective supplement for a lot of men but I'm GONNA kick in here a little bit. Yeah we always say food, I. You know and sometimes it just can't out supplement. Isn't that but we do want to explain what's in that prostate. Pearl I, turn it over to you greg. Really, special product has all the the nutrients that have been historically very effective and plus the new technology that we've come up with you know in the research recently, that shows it to be effective as well but supplemental is still Kind of one of the kingpins of treating prostate problems and I was looking at journal. He recently the reviews in urology there's not too many guys that really get into that journal but. Preparing for this This talked to death I don't care I'll I'll dig through some the urology journals here too, and they were talking about you know the inflammatory aspect of prostate problems and they're looking at they call it a tumor necrosis factor Alpha that is a very inflammatory factor that can inflame the prostate create kinds of prostate problems, and if on that the supplemental had very effect strong effect against this inflammatory factor in reducing chronic inflammation of the prostate and prostate us as well to. So in that article, talked about the importance open metal Also got a little bit into vitamin D again to talk Mahad on found to arrest benign prostate hypertrophy very nicely, and one of the reasons why is that? You Know Vitamin D besides I having a good effect on the immune system in the bone structure and so forth. It's a very also strong at extent in La, these prostate inflammatory conditions, and so forth are oxidative damage. So we're exposed to many oxygen creating situations not enough antioxidants to keep that buffer is we need oxidation, but you need then the buffering antioxidants so that you don't over oxidized in we know that of aging you know basically. Also if you're a runner. Or someone really exercises excessively you really need to vitamin D. don't you? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. That's a huge huge factor with with that do so that the the product we also have the you know things like to lycopene, which is important as an antioxidant along with the vitamin D, For that reason in there too we have You know we're looking at the the nettles you know in the product, the stinging nettles, and that has been shown in the one of the. Professional journals again to talk about the efficacy of stinging nettles in prostate hype hyperplasia, a hypertrophied the prostate, and what they found in there was interesting is that the networks have anti inflammatory anti tumor antiviral effect modulate the immune system in release the symptoms of benign prostate hyperplasia due to these different antioxidants and they call him fido stare roles in there and Lignans and all kinds of cool things that are natural plant in nutrients help to reduce that inflammation of the prostate and they found that. At Wrigley effect and reducing the PSA which no the. Prostate Specific Antigen that is indication of prostate inflammation prostate health so has a good effect on that and they also went on to talk. There's three clinical trials on benign prostate hypertrophy that showed that nettles was had a better impact reducing the patient's symptoms than the placebo you know, and so it really is one of those things that synergies as nicely. You know with all the other nutrients, the SAPA meadow, the lycopene, and so forth in the product. Then the lycopene I had mentioned that was off of a journal of nutrition here not too long ago that was talking about reducing the reduces. The bph the benign prostate hypertrophy and also the risk of cancer. So that's again in that the prostate formula that I think makes it so cool and I I recommend that to everybody who has even a family risk of prostate. As. Sort, of taken as preventative if you are at risk absolutely. Yeah. You probably would take one a day. You know just just to take a lower dosage of it. Then if I started seeing any kind of symptoms, we talked about four the frequent urination and by the way when I was kind of putting this together I, I was frequently urinating to other just the. Other suggested or what? You're too. So but if they had those kinds of symptoms and they should definitely be on their product and probably more like made the to, you know, maybe three range depending on the severity and then of course, into something more than that than just a whole array of things that we might want to add to that to really treat that person so would you know for someone that is really a seriously inflamed prostate right now would four you know four to six a day but that'd be appropriate or do you think that would be too much for someone? Know. When you look at the dosage is to a in one cassie was talking about earlier about you know the raw materials myself. A little note to is that in our formulas, we make you know together. We want to make sure that the materials they used in the studies were successful. So so the actual raw material source that was used successfully in the study is the raw material that we use our products. So it's not a facsimiles like, oh, that's kinda similar to what was in that research. It's the actual immaterial and we'll also give the right potency is sometimes you'll see let's just pick on curcumin. You know they they put Curcumin in the and twenty five milligrams of it, and so he was going Oh look cute in the park and Cool and you look at the literature talks about eating five hundred milligrams a day of curcumin to be effective. Well, there's no way they're going to get that therapeutic amount. You know that the study is support in that product. So we make sure that we have the the levels of those who actives in the products well, to is just the real deal. You know you have no no concerns but as a question Dr Yeah I feel you could go to six a day if if the person was really starting to feel the the different symptoms. The painful urination and frequent urination and some of those things like that. Yeah. That's would be a good dose I. Think a lot of men just put it off the kind of pretend that it isn't really happening to them until they get into more of a critical state and that's why. Can't see a nutritionist this away when Greg was talking about lycopene. Tomatoes tomatoes tomatoes. I brought Greg, some to and I tell you there is nothing I. First Time I took a bite of that garden tomato. This year I was immediately sad because I thought this winter I won't have these meetings store button. It's not the same. So Yeah Lycopene Tomatoes and I'm getting a signal for another commercial break. So if if you just tuned in, you're listening to dishing up nutrition before we break as I often do I'd like to leave you with a little food for thought. Over the years in clinical practice, I have personally found that most men prefer to work individually with a Dietitian or nutritionist rather than attend a large group class. So if that sounds like you, if you'd prefer an individual consult and if you feel like you're ready to give up your processed food diet and switch to an anti inflammation plan, give our office a call. The number is six, five, one, six, nine, nine, three, four, three, eight during this pandemic were not seen clients in person but we are meeting with clients regularly either by phone or via zoom appointment, whatever you prefer whatever works best for you, and I would also say if you personally are not the cook in your house. Maybe. It's your spouse maybe it's somebody else in your household that does most of the cooking have them join you on the consultation as well if they can. I can be really helpful again, call six, five, one, six, nine, nine, three, four, three, eight. You can ask any questions you might have about our nutrition counseling services or you can set up a phone or zoom appointment immediately when you call that number and just know that nutritional weight and wellness we all understand that making lifestyle and nutrition changes takes time and we're here to take the time to help you figure out how to do that stay with us. We'll be back after this break. Well, welcome back to dishing up patrician. We realize that prostate health is a major concern for many many men and we also know that a one hour show we cannot cover all the information about prostate health. If, you have more information or help prepare to prepare prevention plan get my words going prevent chatelet. Tongue twist. Give us a call at six, five, one, six, nine, nine, three, four, three, eight to set up an individual meeting with a nutritionist or Dietitian Greg once again. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and your knowledge. You have so much of that and you know also you've got this caring and you're passionate about nutrition and about everything that you do, and that's why you stay. So Young. Even. After forty years you're. Aging backwards. What do you want from me go? So Dave you and Dave, and your entire family has created just a really life changing company. that. All proud of in you know we at nutritional weight and wellness. Really thank you so much for all your hard work. For your quality of supplements for your education for your dedication. and. We love having you on the show and we're going to have you out and often we as we can get you anytime. I could do it every week. So I. Do. So please do that and you're so much appreciated everybody, nutritional, weight, and wellness. In my grandson said the other day 'cause we're third generation business. Now he's in his mid twenties always says after he would go to. With me say. With. Those are such nice people and they said well, think about Graham is said these are first of all other healers and they're also the ones I've kind of gone beyond just the conventional things but they really dug into learning about lifestyle and Diet and supplementation, and so forth, and so they're they're even more rare breed practitioner you know as I. Said, we're working with the criminal chrome. The people don't get any better than the natural healthcare practitioners who work with so and and you're a focal our that focus point. So thank you appreciate that as well to being able to come come over here and bench air a little bit you know. Very kind words. Thank you and you know certainly at nutritional weight and wellness we know that the right diet can decrease inflammation. Let me just say vegetables, vegetables vegetables but because we have greg here, I want to pick his brain sophomore greg. What would be some supplements that come to the top of your mind when you think of supplements that can decrease inflammation. Well you have to consider the Omega Threes Officials that's on the top of I. Think Everybody's list for that purpose and a lot of good information I was reading journal called. Transitional. Cancer Risk is the of the Journal and they were talking about the study that was getting into showing that Omega threes. A intake decreases prostate cancer immortality, and it does by reducing inflammation and think of you know how is able to reduce inflammation is that around the cell membrane, every cell membrane of that cell is line with a lipid with an oil fat, and if you have a high concentration of Omega, three intake official, Olympic and so forth that cell membrane is primarily made up of those omega three fatty acids that are anti-inflammatory. So so when that cell gets, you know stimulated somehow or even you know maybe injured a little bit and so forth it's releasing anti-inflammatory fatty acids instead of lot of you know. Inflammatory fats and things of that nature when you get your traumatized that cell also is producing inflammatory factors that just kind of continues the whole problem the person has as well. So you know you kind of our. Yourself, memories are made up of what your intake is. So you know if you're eating fast food that cell membrane is made up of bats. Yes. Earn Fats inflame you actually. So into know the other thing that I found working with people is. You know you say do take mega three, take fish oil and they'll say, Oh yeah, and then I'll say, well, how many do you take because you know you think you just said it affects all your cells in your body. Trillions of cells. And so you know maybe one. Three is not enough for most people. No not even close. I think everybody I. Think you start with a minimum of probably two thousand. One to two thousand milligrams a day you know depending what your died is like in your health status and so forth when they start talking about inflammation anti inflammatory effects that starts about three grams or three thousand milligrams a day and up you start talking about neurologic inflammation there talking as ten thousand milligrams or more. For concussions yes. Yes. Yeah. and then you also want to make sure you're getting quality. That's a whole. Another thing too. Is there such a discrepancy in quality? Product is made at those light to off pharmaceutically certified facilities in the world that produce fish oils, and ours is Norway's where he get it, and so they produce the highest quality officials and it goes to Germany to get tested. At lab called your offense and they test for over four hundred fifty possible contaminants, heavy metals, pesticides, and their microbial things, and so on. It's so pure and clean. We have a liquid form of it. I add seminars have doctors and practitioners. Shot class will give them. They'll drink it the go man this is actually tastes good official. It tastes good. This is so clean. So pure that tells you something that if it doesn't taste good. Than, they should mention that. Oh Yeah. Absolutely. We hear that a lot. So interesting. So you know Greg, another supplement is in you talked about a little bit for Chris. Don't talk about that as far as an anti inflammatory. Exactly to and it's one of the strongest y'all anti-inflammatories implant anti-inflammatories than you. You read about it all the time. But in that same journal on Transitional Cancer Risk, they're talking about ability to down regulate that antigen receptor which has been correlated to high energy that are correlated to prostate cancer as well too. That's why sometimes they give medications to these guys that destroyed their. Ability to produce destroyed. I'm not necessarily in agreement with that. You know there's a connection with high you'll enter genzer task drone in prostate risk. So you'll basically curcumin actually don regulates the androgen receptor to the cell reducing their monitor the energy to start from that gets into the cell that can cause a proliferate into possibly. Okay. Okay. Sounds pretty interesting. What would it does? And it's just such a good overall anti-inflammatory is well and how much. Not Going to say one could dosage on that. Don't dosage acumen. When you start looking at it, it's going to be in that four to five hundred milligrams a day you know range of rules are getting a pretty good therapeutic amount of it, and that's what I said earlier a lot of times we'll see these products that had like twenty five milligrams and it's it's window dressing that does not have any through. The product precisely yes yep. So. Any other favorite anti-inflammatories? You really recommend. Well, I mean I like. The practice three see that you have to is good because that is you know the product that will actually inhibit the growth of the prostate cancers as well increases the called apoptosis. Cell death of the cancer cell you know and it works a little bit also to actually help chemotherapy. So if you get them on the I three, see in the dim that's in that product it actually enhances if Ron Chemotherapy enhances the effects of the chemotherapy. So as effective on its own, but also is assisting other kinds of therapies they might be you know going into taking at that point too. That's interesting. Greg gone our nutrition conference call the other day. Someone asked that question if if it was safe for women to take that, we're having chemotherapy for so breast cancer one of the model answers. It's actually beneficial. Yeah. He's there you go. Yeah. That interesting and it's also interesting to me because I always think of astro I three see as being more for women but. It can be for men to. Absolutely because it reduces like we talked a little bit earlier it reduces those they call them hot estrogens in a hot estrogen example would be like again, your round up, you know or other pesticides, herbicides, and so forth, and they're the ones that are very aggressive. You know estrogens and if they get into your system and they get you know into your cell basically because the molecular similar to regular. Estrogens we make it just raises. How Heck? Yeah I? I was thinking say word I couldn't take think. Of that. And so yes. So really it does work so well and men to to reduce that that hot estrogen that stimulates that estrogen receptor Alpha that stimulates cancer proliferation. Yeah. So you have to be careful of these manmade estrogens or these very toxic that are being produced as well. So it's kind of interesting. Oh Wow We have so much more to talk about I know I think we need part two the. But yeah. As the show wraps up here become to a close I, just want to remind our listeners that our goal at nutritional weight and wellness is to help each and every person experience better health through eating real food. Yes. It's a simple message, but it's a powerful message eating real food is life changing. Thank you greg for being our special guest today and a big thanks to all. Of Our listeners for joining us this morning be safe and be well, thanks for listening to dishing up nutrition. If you enjoy this podcast, please share your favorite episodes with a friend or leave a review on itunes stitcher or iheartradio content and opinions expressed are those of the hosts or presenters they're not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent disease product statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This is Teresa one of the Dietitians at nutritional weight and wellness, and you've probably heard me on dishing up nutrition I have a question for you. What do these supplements having common? 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"Don't count yourself out. Don't put yourself in a box and say I'm not this when when you need to take what you are and embrace it because like I said if you are successful in anything you have creatively. Come up with ways to find solutions because those of us that are successful. That's what we do we solve. Shift that other people can't acute on this episode in Moscow's world. There's a new very disturbing business John's going to tell you all going to talk about forty six to one the odds yes and creativity is not just singing of painting Bosco. There's some great stuff on this episode. It felt good to get back to the individual segments Vasco. World is a very warm place for me with a lot of great memories back in today. Day Baby Talking about a very questionable some would say concerning new business. That's very disturbing accurate. Corey brings up a great moment in time. That I think can motivate. Everybody and I know it gave me goosebumps and it was a huge part of my childhood but let Creativity also lives in us. All is just how you identify it and I think After listening to this episode you'll be able to identify your own kind. Let's go to show cellphone city. What's up everybody to another episode of business and by serves and you better wake your ass up? WHO's on today? Show Johnny Costco. Were throwing it back. We're bring him back to segments. I cannot wait. I'm on the edge of my seat over here because pastas world is back. Who Leash today? Hey listen to me. I don't know if they already but we had segments that were very specific to our personalities. I don't know about a year ago and we went away from him and there's been a lot of messages. People Love Cory Gregory Time. It's a very motivational ovation segment. I'm prepared to be motivated when you speak with. Fossils world hired known. Yeah Yeah how would world has been unknown to shake shit up right off the bat. And that's what I'm here to do a straight up though. I was looking forward to recording today. John because there's always the element of surprise in this format. You have no clue what I'm going to talk about. I have no clue what you're going to talk about. You got no fucking grew. We're going to talk about of course so listen. We have new listeners. I've never heard this format before. So I'm just GONNA without further ADO. It's it's time to Fox News Chicago Illinois. John John Fox was not take responsibility nor can even allow for any says dozer gestures. He's mentally healthy. Time if you're offended by these statements. No that is not John's intention. They doesn't really care this being said listening your risk. Shut the fuck up all right. Well I think everybody heard the disclaimer. which is necessary they? They heard the cheering. which is obvious amazing up? And now you hear me so It's my turn to talk and I've been looking forward to this so let's fucking go all right so you guys know that I have certain issues with the way the direction if you will that our society society is moving. And I'm always kind of looking at the landscape of people how they behave in. How business intermingle 's into that whole mess? Right and I I want to bring something to the forefront that I think a lot of younger people maybe aware of but I don't know if a lot of people our age are aware of this Corey Corey and it's disturbing and it connects to people's daughters you know they're they're cousins. Everything so let me let me run new through a process okay and this process is a real process. I'm not I'm not fucking around here. So because so many people have lost their motivation to work. Hard and start at the bottom actually make an honest day's wage. There are people who are essentially using technology and using themselves to be mild prostitutes. I would call it mild mild prostitutes mild horrors and there's an actual system to this so if anyone's heard of tender or bumble will or hinge the primarily tender. What will happen is this okay? There's a Lotta guys very active on that APP. So you meet someone you match with someone. This person may be good looking. You start talking to this person. This person immediately wants to get you off off of tender. They want to get you to their snapchat show. They're like hey you're good looking okay. Small Talk Boom. They get you to snapchat. So you get on their snapchat and you're like what the fuck in like the little circle that they have for the story for people who know snapchat is like a fucking blurred out chick you know with a huge dildo rubbing it on her pussy but but you can't really see it right and then then you're like. Hey Hey hey kristen. I thought we were just talking about the fact. You're from Maine. And your family are lobster fishermen then and now you have a fourteen inch black dildo rubbing your pussy. I'm confused right what's happening here. I don't know what this is really confused. Okay keep going Kristen and Kristen. What's happening right now Chris and says oh no no I like you but what I just do is is if you can? Then Mommy me ten dollars I'll on blur everything and you have free access to my stories but we'll talk. We'll talk and if I like you will meet up. We'll have sex and all the all this stuff just just like normal people do but I need you venom. Ten dollars every month. That gives you free access to my snapchat story and this isn't one per this isn't just Kristin. Kristen is a is a fake alias. This is a movement of predominantly college girls and even older who are so oh fucking lazy so fucking stupid that they become like like lately. You know there's a diet coke diet horrors right. I mean they're not fucking no they're not fucking you but they are bathing you in through a normal platform of communication communication where people meet each other to pay them through van. Mo- right here then. Mommy ten bucks for the month and then every month they want their ten bucks talks to keep talking to you and then they bait you along. Oh we might we meet up. We might meet up but this is a monstrous monstrous business. And this is what a lot of girls do to support their lifestyle in their late teens in their early twenties and it's Only getting bigger. It's like a snowball. That's rolling downhill. It's growing in scope. It's growing in size and it's harder and harder and harder in society today especially with younger people who have technology so intertwined into their life to know if someone's actually interested in you or not but literally. There is a high probability right now that fifteen percent of our listeners have a cousin have have a daughter have a sister have a wife that is rubbing dildos all over themselves could be sucking their best friends cock all this stuff off on snapchat and charging people ten fifteen dollars a month through. So here's what I have to say. Tender Snapchat van. Mo- you like like these are the dirty players in this whole thing. I honestly believe that there needs needs to be some sort of policing because when I say fifteen percent of our listeners truly know someone female probably Who who takes part in this? I'm not kidding and this is disturbing right. This is disturbing because if I had a daughter in a cell phone I just I just wouldn't feel comfortable so for those of you. Who are not aware this is a business and it's a growing business and it's a business of deception it's similar to prostitution but prostitution light and I think everyone needs to know about it and Fosko has spoken first off? I got some question. I'm John this shoes genie. Well here I I got a statement trying to date Fosko in this kind of landscape one. There's obviously access to way more people but with this type of stuff going on on this would be extremely difficult bro to be able to find A A solid like companion like I to me just hearing that this and I know versions of this type of stuff has been going on. You know forever right but this is just the adoption adoption of some sort of prostitution from going from snapchat to this to whatever but that would be fucking super difficult and number two. You like the fact that you have snapchat and we were unaware of it here. A business biceps is interesting Vasco. OSCO 'cause I thought you were a snapchat except for as as don New England. Jason Newlyn educated. I'm just kidding but this is this is concerning. Obviously I have a daughter The fact that you think it's you know this widespread and believe it is I think that there's so many probably college girls or guys that are involved than this type of thing and Bach Man. I understand that it's a business but like your horn yourself out for ten dollars like is that a real price with no think about it like this story about right so so you have a successful online business. That's ninety dollars a month for train. No it's just like that for them so it's not tied to hi. It's ten dollars to every motherfucker. They meet on fucking tender and these girls if they're good looking they're matching with fucking probably over one hundred people a day they legitimately through this business could have a business larger than yours. Doing a this. That's no child snapchat and here's take the. Here's what's crazy right like to get a hooker to do this this taboo shit that has been going on as long as time you had to like. Go to see places right you had to go back up. You know Jimmy Chins massage parlor in Vegas and you know get jerked off and then pay extra money for a blowjob and then maybe more but like now. It's infiltrated the applications. That people communicate communicate on with their family. Right do business on like like all this stuff like snap chat is not a porn site. Although some you could argue it is kind of that way but yeah but snapchat away. A lot of people communicate right. So it's not. It's the main way that my kids communicate with friends like a thousand percent they use like ag and mad both use snapchat overtop texting like group through sixth grade to high school uses snapchat primarily. Which makes me fucking you're scared to? That's why you need to like if you you go home tonight and say listen. I'M NOT GONNA be mad at you guys. Have you guys seen anything like this. I will guarantee and this is disturbing that. They both have APP. I'm sure won't police both of them like we have the loggins ray goes through like it's it's I think because we understand social media probably better than most parents but you still can't. I mean it's just like when you can get your plan to way is ever-present online the eggplant Santa's running after everybody and everything it's out of control and the eggplant is what powers this business the eggplant arguably as powers this world but but it definitely is what power this segment great. Well done John in you. Just open my eyes to some fucking craziness. Yeah Hey listen. I'm not an advocate. I'm not a fan. I'm letting people know so if you have young whatever have used people you're related to you know just just keep an eye open because You know you don't want them stop or net like those porno shops truckstop deals and putting on shows and all that stuff. That's Goofy Shit all right John Though to home. Let's go well. It's been a while right so it's been a while so now see we were just in the a region of the brain called the deg- degenerate lobe okay. We are in the generate low but the brand. It's where it's where I live a a lot of my life but now we are going to the most likely. I don't know what he's talking about the motivational lobe of the brain. And in that that Loeb lives a whisper. Someone say others would say it's a louder. Booming voice and that part of the low is called. Corey Greg Talk Ari Johnny. Thank you. Thank you Listen I was thinking about this yes As I was doing my morning studies on how could I be really relevant with something in history teach a lesson about business and involve something that John Fosko really enjoys so I was able to find something kind of accident in that manner because when I went to the gym this morning I got there of course forum crew club John of their early. And there's a new member that I have I have I am crew sang. I win. Continue southern new new member at the gym named Joe Ponder. Joe's a great great guy. I met him actually. He was in my classical on the St. Joe Has a crazy story is locked up. Twenty years he's been out for nine years and he's he pr- films and does some movies and some other things re really good dude and I don't believe he's on snapchat. I taught him how to use instagram. autozone part of the reason why he was in my class because the older guy and he was trying to get into social media to promote. He's actually a director shoot some like local stuff and he works with breath. This is kind of where I'm going. He works with buster. Douglas Clark Kellogg and a bunch of guys in the community. It's so he brought me a picture. Signed by buster to me today of the knockout of Mike Tyson. And so this is where involves fighting which you're into which is cool and it's thirty year anniversary. Roughly like in that timeframe of win buster through douglas knocked out Mike Tyson and I started to think about I looked it up. I remember I was like yeah maybe ten years old when that happened. Roughly so yeah. I've been twelve years is old. I remember I was pretty young at the odds. Were forty two to one John forty-six and one. I looked it up on. wikipedia said forty two but either way it was fucking Damn Sumner fifty right well that no one gave this guy a chance in so I started to think about Just in general when when you go out into the into the world with these ideas to start a business. It's kind of like being like Buster Douglas because is most people even around. You don't believe you can win the business. which would be Mike? Tyson is going to be as ferocious. He's a fucking. Ko machine you know tears up. Most people high percentage of people in their path like you got nothing for them. Most people pull like once again his famous quote. Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face by him and then they think off fuck will business. Does those same. Thanks to you all the time. Mike Tyson is who you're going against but for one day buster. Douglas and I don't know if he's done it since but he stood up to. It gave everything he had in went down literally swinging and fighting for every ounce that was there air on that which people would argue would say is the biggest upset in sports history ever. That's up there for sure for sure up there in the top five five or ten. Yeah Oh yeah if not number one in that Missouri. When I see that picture right the inspiration that comes from it is because there's there's no one literally maybe one or two guys in his camp? The thought that that dude had a chance and I gotta be honest with you. I literally think I think that's how it felt when I started my first business or when I went out there like no one really so just know that you are alone with the belief that actual belief you only motherfucker that believes they can win. That day was fucking James. Sure's hell one. It might have been a couple of family members same kind of thing and sometimes that's even a luxury story so I just want everybody to look back in time. Look at what happened with Buster Douglas and Mike Tyson look how he literally in the way. Hey I created this was was going to give everything preparation all out swinging basically going down with a blaze of glory that day. 'cause that was the day he had to deliver. That was the day that he was trying to. You know become somebody in what he did and I really like identify with that because when no one really gives you a chance you have to take that type of approach because at the end of the day like like no one was gonNA throw the punches. No one was going to run. The routes are run. Run the ROADWORK. No one was going to be able to understand what felt like to walk in and when the bell rang thing to see iron mike fucking Tyson standing across from you know ones fucking saving you. It's the same are here and what I what I what I love about. This is that now I wish buster would have maybe one second one after that. I believe he got knocked down next the next fight so he wasn't able to consistently maintain that but that is the thing you're going to have winds and business that you went and gave everything but then and you still got to keep coming back for more. You still got to go to the next fight in the next fight instill prepare and still do the road work and still continue so what I always. He's tried to pride myself on John was over time. You're going to have some Mike Tyson moments right. But it's in between you still got to be spinks. You still got to beat George Foreman. You still got to beat fucking Ken Norton. You still got. Beat I ran out of guys I remember. Be Holyfield you still. What was the Lennox Lewis? You still got to go up against those opponents and win two and prepare the same way not just the preparation for the big Guy Guy and so i. I don't know I. It was one of those things where that's always been super inspiring to me. It kind of came across my my desk today literally with the signed picture in coming from person that I knows how to lot of battles worked really hard like I said was locked down twenty years. He's found inspiration by being around us in the morning morning and through through my class and just like I just. I really just wanted to kind of poor that out to everybody to think like. That's that's the odds. That's the way I look at it in every day because no one thinks you're gonNA fucking win. That's it for fuck with fuck with`death they think referring to buster Mr Douglas. He was a man on a mission. You know Just a little bit because obviously I'm a huge fight fan a little bit of context for the younger people who don't remember that or weren't around that busters mother die three days before the fight and it was unexpected. And he and he said before the defy like you think I'm afraid of this guy my fucking everything is gone like like it. He he that night was I invite everyone. Fuck if you're a boxing fan or not like this was a guy. Okay forty six to one gay. I I just WANNA put odds in perspective for forty six to one is like the Lakers playing like the twentieth ranked Tempt College Basketball Team. They would the object would be forty six like that forty six to one is just obscene. You'll never see it here here when John Jones fight someone you've never heard of the odds are like ten to one ten to one okay. So forty six to one okay. So this guy he had nothing to fucking lose and it's all about mindset right because yeah he was facing down honestly probably I believe the most intimidating human being in the history of sports. I don't know if there was any more intimidating than Mike. Tyson in his heyday. But this guy this just shows you that mindset power powers everything your mind powers everything. He said I'm going. They're in fucking fuck him up. He didn't look at him as this tornado. This machine this beast. He looked at them as like dude. Dude I just lost my everything you're GONNA pay for it and the fear was gone. The fear dissipated you know we always talk about fear on this show. Oh and unlike unlike it doesn't exist well if you are strong enough to put fear in its box so you can perform in whatever ever way you need to perform. Those are the kinds of things that happen in on that special night. I believe it was in Tokyo on that fucking night. The embodiment of that right of that thought that I just explained played out and it was something I don't know if we'll ever see again I don't know if we'll ever see it again and it was truly special because for those of you who did not live through Mike Tyson coming up. He is the most feared man in sports. Probably ever and this dude houses ass he beat the fuck out of I mean. He didn't just beat Mike he beat. beat the Fuck Outta Mike any finish them. And and here's the thing about buster Douglas right so after the buster. Douglas had an eating problem he he couldn't he couldn't stay thin. It was just. It was just that night this guy was dialed in and after that he didn't do much but it doesn't matter because for one special tonight he showed everybody what you're capable of through his actions. It's literally because we were you know we're old enough to remember Johnny real time. It gives you a chill when you actually think about it right because it was that special mills lane I remember the referee Mills Lane that yeah have cycles grabbing the mouthpiece I was like holy shit he ate he counted eight and Mike was grabbing his mouthpiece. I'm like there's no fucking way you can get up in two seconds and then mills grabbed Mike and waved the fight off your done. It was it was like like I get chills right now thinking about same almost feel like that's where her the shock the world essentially. Maybe they said it before that but I feel like I heard it way more after that night. I'm GonNa shop the fucking because I think that's literally with that occasion did to sports into it just inspired so many people. Yeah Buster. Douglas blew up to four hundred pounds. Bro like severe diabetes. He couldn't stay thin. He couldn't stay in shape. But that's why let people know that night though you know what I'm saying like like like like Shit I if it sounds Hokey. I'm sorry but it's like when you have a purpose behind what you're GONNA do like. Listen listen I guarantee you this if I had the same situation and I pretty got every day. I don't know I fear the day I have to deal with something like that. I was in that situation. I like to believe that. Who whatever's offers in front of me I'm GONNA give it fucking beyond hell and I'm going to fucking destroy it and and for everyone out there? That thinks like that he did. Yeah pretty amazing so. I figured you'd enjoy that John Because I knew it'd bring back some memories man. That was. That was exciting the sea and receive as a gift this morning and I just wanted to Kinda share that with everyone that If you you need to go back I'll watch that fight on youtube if you haven't seen if you're young it happened in nineteen ninety by the way absolutely. It's crazy all right. We got a new segment coming up next. We're talk some business and pulp pop. Pop Culture. Jon Helped me pop call all year out sure. How Culture Look? Here's the thing John and and I enjoy talking about. Let's call it relevant cultural sports but we want to keep it in the vein of business. Because that's what we do here in entrepreneurship one of the things things that we saw most recently. which I think's huge is the WNBA is giving what the minimum salaries now? Five hundred John on or at least six figures and then the top salaries or five hundred. I don't know the exact but basically there is a major move in the WNBA to try to make it more of a real thing thing for these women to make been meagre salaries which is which is earned for sure there's some ballers in the WNBA right now and it's necessary necessary for every young girl out there. That is making it happen that there is a league that they can support themselves in it. That it's real so I think this is awesome I disagree with you one zillion percent. I think it's disgusting. I think it's despicable and I'll tell you why. WNBA is as a business. Okay it's being subsidized by the NBA. The NBA is all the young. I'm sorry that they're male but I'm GonNa talk facts. The the guys are what. Bring the tickets the guys are what fill the arenas the guys get the. TV deals the NBA so the NBA owns was the WNBA the WNBA loses money period. And if a business loses money how the fuck can we justify justify subsidising paying these women more because these guys get such high ratings and and they bring in all the money if anything I think they should be paid more. How are we going to subsidize the women in that business when the business can't even stand on two feet? Listen I'm all about giving young girls. Hope to play on a high level but at the end of the day businesses. Not Nice like we always talk about the. WNBA has been an experiment. That's I've been going on for. I would say twenty years more. I don't fuck no but it's never made money people don't go out and watch the WNBA gate Tune in to the WNBA finals as much as all the NBA players. Get fucking told to promote it. It doesn't work it doesn't make money. So how long can a failing business be subsidized. That's I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I mean. That's socialism awesome. That is socialism. It's I mean honestly John I gave you the heartfelt like answer. Everybody hopes is true. You gave him the reality of the business. Just doesn't fucking work. We all wish it. Would we all wish that because there is some straight ballers but at the end of the day. If it's not aren't making money what you're saying is just gonNA suck off the other league but intended probably not the best choice words Siphon off the League and eventually GonNa hurt the NBA. Say Right so women right so I'll go back to my the love of anime. Here's effect women's. MMA makes a ton of money so that business doesn't need to be subsidised. They him. Can you can look at the numbers and see that these women sell they put butts in seats and they sell pay per views. It's a fact it's a fack back so so so that sport should be growing just like it is for women women's basketball doesn't I mean these if we're a business show we just have. I don't know I don't know. I want to inspire young girls to go after whatever they want to go after in life. I think that's fantastic but just like here just like before the UFC right. Great Wrestlers Olympic wrestlers phenomenal college dressers. They couldn't go anywhere to make money. They couldn't go anywhere to make money. No one was subsidizing them. They had to go fuck and get a job right but but they're elite athletes but there was nowhere for them to use their skills in some Schmo bag. WWe Bro No. That's that's entertainment after the wrestling. Yeah sure there is physical skill involved in that and all this. But but but that's that's not you know greco-roman or or or Olympic re level wrestling so so no one was subsidizing them so I just don't believe in socialism and business. Yeah that's A. I think both those point like that's just the reality of it so I like that. Obviously that's our business show. I gave you the hallmark card. You are the hallmark card but I mean that's yeah. I'm a hallmark of HALLMARK DOT COM. I'm trying to reach you fucking endorsement. Dude yeah I know I know my grandma be happy all right so had hat hallmarks. You Blake good. I get a discount at all so I saw. Here's something I saw watched. I fell asleep but then I saw it on twitter the next day but I watched the Most of the National Championship game in at the end. This was interesting. Oh BJ obviously went to Lsu for those who don't know foolish uh-huh Yeah Odell Beckham. Who had about nine and a half perceptions? This year I think for the browns. He was literally had a wad of cash and was giving money to players on the field. Like count now like G or two g whatever it was it literally in front of the cameras. dappled him up in throwing them cash. Now I'm guessing guys that he was giving money to or seniors because as they obviously would not have eligibility next year. Is this a outright fuck you. NC Double Way is this a just just publicity stunt which he's good at he's the guy that was wearing a fuck and Richard Milly like. Wow He's actually playing in a game which is ver- you guys don't know like Richard Milley's like a watch the cost three hundred thousand so yeah you can't even tell time on it. The browns lose week one actually went to the game with Rachel family with their browns fans. We're big or maybe we'll Jersey on I did I like Baker Mayfield. He actually wore the watch while he played in the game. which is the dumbest Shit of all the time and now he's giving away money to players that I hope our fucking not going to be eligible next year? So what. What's your make of just this mess? Well he he's he's a mass but to me. Okay so I think I think it's a direct shot to the NCWA these anyone who washed that game. Of course anyone who watched that national championship game saw just the amount of commerce around the amount of money. It's literally. It's literally not a one night thing it's like A. It's like the Super Bowl. It's like a fucking mortis the coal were fucking the. NCWA is raking in so much fucking money but these kids that are projected to go in the first round of the NFL draft. Several of them could be injured could get their knee blown out and have no career and all the while they get no money for this so I think Odell Beckham is making a statement to the fuck you guys for not paying them. I got money. I'm going to go out there. I'm GonNa pay whoever the fuck I want. And that's that of course there's a flip side to it because the guy's a an attention whore unum sang. I also think he's a switch hitter. I think that's that's a fact For those of you who don't know which editor is look it up. You know they play. Both sides play both sides but anyway I just think he wanted attention an and he wanted to say fuck you to the NCAA play. And I think and I've said it a million times the NC double A.. needs to be cracked light like old. You know no Grecian Stone with a fuck and mallet. Because they're a bunch of old fucking Whitebread motherfuckers who are stealing from the damn damn kids and making billions buck and billions billions. I really do believe that what he did I I liked part of what he did. Yes for the record. You like the move which now I think about it. At first I was a little thrown off. But that's why he did it. He made a point. The say. Fuck you guys. which due respect I just wish you know Kinda the stuff around playing football would have been a little bit more this year but I also heard that he was hurt too so who who fucking nosed at the end of the day the NCWA definitely recognized that? Yeah I mean there's no way could enough johnny. Yeah I don't know how I mean I don't know how the NC AA is so fucking teflon there so every like everyone knows host the biggest fi fi there was that big scandal in a being paid our NC double A.'s. Worse they're fucking worse in everyone. One knows it but no one can touch him. It's like who the fuck are these guys are they. Are they fucking connected to the Vatican like are they are they seriously in the poll. The pope was protecting them. Like who the fuck are these guys literally more dangerous than the fucking then then the five families as you know like Organized Crime I mean. It's insane. It's the Pope Queen Elizabeth in Godfather. The other ones running somewhere in that. Mix Oprah's Netflix. Running yeah okay. Jeff Bazo sending all of them Pena's photos in I'm basis. This show is sending them Dick Pic. Just Jeff bezos. His wife Now is I think the third richest woman in the country or in the world. Yeah because he was sending out Pena's photos and she divorced him I think she I think she got like eighteen million shares of Amazon stock which is worth around thirty five dollars. Hey expensive Dick Bro. Expensive fruit that is an expensive flea. Yes so this is I saw that news come across. I Dunno whenever watching at home. Rachel looks over at me. Inga's goes Yup. I wouldn't be sending any picks out irby running after any of them fitness chicks Yup. I'm not because I know you get three quarters of it. I and yet it is funny. Joke ha ha all right cool. Let's go to the main event. I Made Event Bosco. We were talking before Ya on the mics here about you know the creative ways that everybody buddy has their own way that they're creative and that really is. What kind of makes it special that you don't do things the same way that I do? Things is two way trade things that away. Jason does things or anybody or your mom. How creative she is and that that really is mostly like the special sauce? Probably why it works so well but I think it's an interesting topic because there's no really one way to create these ideas businesses brand these type of things you know not one way as equal basically right I think the word creative is synonymous with the arts. I think people immediately say oh. I'm not creative because I am not an artist or I don't create clothing right. Travel air does or I don't make music music so I'm not. I'm not a creative well that that's in my opinion not true right because even if you are what I've essentially overtime kind of just using myself in example figured out that like I'm kind of a wordsmith right like my skill and business is always rooted in some sort of transacting whether that be negotiation or sales so I'm creative when it comes to using the human vocabulary and that is a gift that actually yields you know payouts right so so my creativity lies in how I choose to communicate with others others most would say. Oh the wordsmith. Yeah that's not a creative. Well I would disagree right and I think we all we all are creative. Aided in our own ways so you gotta look at yourself and say like what do I do. That's unique to me like so so basically what do you you do that. Everyone else you know really doesn't do but you're really effective at it so like I'll give you another example. My my brother He Literally Studies Studies. Like like a fucking nerd. Real estate he stares at it on truly on Zillow. Hello all day long. And he knows every geographic areas value. And he's done very well studying that that may not sound creative but it's a creative creative thought process that has yielded a reward. Right Right That on its face value people are like nominee. That's not creative. I disagree agree so I think what we have to do. Is We all have to allow ourselves. I guess time and the thought and the ability ready to believe that we do have creative juices that we are creative and there are ways to be creative outside of the arts. I think I think that's where it starts. Starts Man this. This speaks to me big time because I always fell like a creative person. But here's what's kind of funny as a kid did or even as a young adult that have all these ideas and you know things and I wanted to do like I would think about ways to do them bring bringing them to life strategies and like all the stuff used to be always going in my head and I'm like but I couldn't really put my finger on what it really was because I was like well I can't Oh sing. I can't fucking draw. I can't spell blake. John knows this and it's no no spell so it's like am I really creative. Because that's the creative ways I would see other people work music singing spelling just kidding spelling in there just because it's the inside joke but it's like one of those things where I could never really put my finger on it but then once I became came an entrepreneur and I had my own business and I thought to myself one day. We'll do things this way with my personal training business. I could actually uptick my income by two thousand dollars a month and take my time down by four work hours a week or whatever the number is and I implemented it it worked and I thought to myself well first off. No one taught me how to do that. I came up with it from my own thoughts and ideas in execution so like that was a creative way to best use my time create more revenue for my business and then like it started my brain on this thing like Yo the brand that I created although it was great back then but it was square one and the ideas that I came up with. I'm thinking no one else. I knows doing this. They just don't do things like this because they go. They clock in and clock walkout and they're told to do these tasks and maybe there's some creative juices through that process but when it comes from thin air and then just watch while I love building brands and creating them in creating things like business biceps and doing things John and I have done over and over again and then beat those forty two to one odds or forty six to one odds and take it to a seven figure or eight figure business. It's like one of those things that is absolutely really like singing drawing or whatever because I realized that what came natural to me just like what comes natural to people that do those types of things doesn't come come natural to everyone that it is unique to me or you in our own way in that you should embrace that. You're not a fucking crazy maniac. That these things if their other natural to you and they keep entering your brain you should act on you should execute him. You shouldn't care that you don't see in your home. He's doing because that's that's what creativity is when it comes to what we do. And that's something that I had a hard time kind of understanding but as I started to you grow as a young business person like I was in my first business when I was like twenty and I wasn't even twenty one yet so like a lot of these things I had never watched anybody growing up do anything entrepreneurial so all of these things it was yeah it was instinctual and I just realized. Wait a second but my friend and got this idea not into specific but even anything in the ballpark of it. Anyway I just I think that's it's an interesting thing that you start to uncover about yourself. If you're really meant for this I think Johnny Yeah and if you look at people who are viewed as creative arts okay. So let's let let's flip them to what we do. They don't have a a a a and sure there are outliers just outliers everywhere but the majority of those people they cannot find solutions jains or create ideas that come to life in the shape of business. They couldn't in a million years because their brain is on creating aiding shit creating music creating music creating art creating like they can never come to the business side just like we can't go over there and fucking write music right so creativity is not exclusive to that stuff and another thing. I'll say is this if you are successful in any way shape or form what you do. Is You constantly. Do not accept problems as problems you see them as challenges and then you come up with a solution solution right so if I think about what I do all day long. It's solution solution. I don't even give. I don't even feel the panic. I don't even feel the anxiety Zayed's I don't even feel the worry anymore. When there's a problem I go to a solution now what that process? That process is a purely elite creative process. It's purely creative because there is no solution. There is no handbook like we always say so. When you have an issue that needs to be solved autumn business so you can protect your business so you can protect your revenue so you could protect? Whatever you're building you have to creatively out of nowhere out of your own? The thoughts come up with the solution and that is that is creativity at its core. It's just a different kind kind. It does not get painted on a canvas but it's but it's mental creativity that is equally valuable. So don't don't count yourself out. Don't put yourself in a box and say I'm not this when when you need to take what you are and embrace it because like I said if if you are successful in anything you have creatively come up with ways to find solutions because those of us that are successful. That's what we do. We solve shit that other people can't. It's so wild when I just heard you talking John Because these are things that you know the finding the solution. I don't take for granted because it's always difficult most of the time right but just knowing that that's what time it is and that's the process. Assess I'm so used to it at this point because that's how we have operated for now like basically two decades I mean I mean at the end of the day I have had an LLC or been in business paying my own bills or myself for twenty years. This is a process that has happened constantly. And and I maybe I take for granted that that's the way that I think that I don't even maybe the maybe even quote it to create a but that's even how we reference it we. We need a creative solution for this. Because that's really what it is but it's not like that'd be like I need to paint something that's going to make this work better. That's basically that's your painting. Well yes it's not an attack book so it's gotTa Come Outta your rain if it comes out of your brain and it's not in a textbook or it's not on a whiteboard that's fucking creative creative you are create. You are creating the solution. Yeah I think John you think that's one of the main reason because you're not driven by money a year or by By shine so getting through those. You know weekly monthly daily things in in winning them. I am essentially when they work. Is that what you think it was one of the main excitements for you about this for that. I can feel right because when I was younger. I was not as good at this a- as Time's gone on I've gotten better that I can feel something that that would shake the foundation of someone in a business Setting you know if there's a problem with business the fact that I can feel that and an and know that it does like I got ice in my veins like it doesn't affect me whatsoever because I know I will come come up with a creative solution because that is what I do. That is how I've trained myself to develop myself as a business person over over the past whatever it is twenty years eighteen years. Whatever the fuck it is so it feels great when you look at? Let's say a competitive landscape when you look at competition scrambling to figure shit out and you just have ice in your veins and you're just like like ain't GonNa pay them no mind I'm going to do this and you know that it's the right thing because you've been through with these situations and it's just like it's like you are in all star and they are in the minor leagues and that may sound egotistical that may send maybe that is to a certain extent but that is a feeling that if the analytics and the numbers is back that feeling up that feels fucking good. Because you know you're an all star you know you can be counted on to produce and there are so a few people out there like that and time commitment and dedication and and keeping an open mind I think is what Kinda it creates that mentality. It's the Gimme the fucking ball at the end of the game mentality. John you did grow up in Chicago so it makes sense you know that Jordan ship. Why I don't know what this I think. This is like one of the things that when it comes to mind when I think about this topic is it's a little little bit. I don't know if we're leavings the word because I just always. I can never really put my thumb on this part what where where I was really. You know oh good to potentially great at it and I gotTa tell Ya I think it's mostly because I was always kind of From a sports standpoint a six man the underdog not really like a star of any kind more of like just a role player grinder in so like when I had something I felt that was not in a textbook that was uniquely different from everyone else. I knew I really just didn't understand understand it and I'm not saying that it was the best thing of all time you're saying. I knew there was something that I possess. There was a mix of solutions creativity. Creativity ideas passion and drive. That was just starkly different from anyone else. I fucked with but I could never really put my finger on. What really made me different and I think it was the open mindedness belief if you just detailed what made you know? Yeah Yeah but that. And that's where like because there's no rhyme or reason all the way in this life it's more no now because it's more popular. I just think like the time. And when you and I were getting into business like most motherfuckers when you said You were an entrepreneur wanted to own your own business unless you were like all suited up and everything. They found US basically a fucking loser that was going to go out of business. It just there was not as positive the things around it as there is now like with. I never cared. I mean like I thrived off that Shit you you know what I think. The funny thing is John. I don't know if anybody ever really set it to me. Maybe I've made you know how we manufacturer things in their mind. I think probably maybe more. It was a game. I played with Myself Elf because I felt inadequate because I I didn't go to a four year because that was such a big thing like you know I was the kid that stayed home and went community college when all my friends left is so near from a small town or even a suburb. John you might experience this to everybody. That was so-called somebody I I experienced in them and I said you dumb motherfuckers. Your racking up Auburn fucking debt. I'm going to start making money today and when you get out of Fucking College College I'm going to have more money than the debt you owe. And then once you pay that off then come check on me. That was my I literally mean like fuck you guys. That was my internal motivation so it was just like fuck fuck them. They have a different that. Fuck them they have a different path. I'M GONNA play mine and if you you want to look at me negatively or think I'm not as smart. That's fine go ahead go ahead. I'M GONNA in. I don't know that that It was the the actual like peers that we're looking at that or not even know if their parents were. You know what I'm saying like I don't even know where that came from on it and have like a single single occasion where somebody said od do your stay at home. You're a fucking loser I think I just I think society made me feel that way and I think it drove me to be see this crazy fucking maniac that I became in that. That's exactly what I experienced. When everyone else was graduating I had already been making? I was making one hundred hundred thousand dollars a year whenever one gallon of school and they were all in debt and my business was going on almost eur five in so yeah. I experienced that. Exactly what you he said in the the craziest thing is I tried to go to the University of Cincinnati by financial way. Didn't come through so like I just filled out the shit wrong or didn't do it in time. Fuck imagine nats especially the nineteen year old version of me. I was going to go in debt. I think it was about eighteen thousand dollars. It's the best thing that ever happened to me. The best thing that ever happened to me was that Daffy didn't come through. I was stuck in that fucking trailer and that I had to go stack lumber and go to community college the best thing ever fucking happened to me. And then that's when I got the job job in the coal mine blazed the rest of my path but man. It's crazy thinking back so I probably manufactured most of it because because I was like so upset said about being the fucking poor kid that most people think education is the way the way I I hope everyone listening and I don't know who said this but someone of note I said this on I don't know if it was in Fortune magazine. Whatever recently but like literally the key to unlocking your full potential is always is always getting to the point where nothing anyone else thinks or says about you affects you and especially so young kids who are going to college or are getting out of high school and evaluating what they should do its dude like like one percent of them can operate in a in a manner where they don't give a fuck what people think they know themselves so I just want everyone to just fuck man I know this is is? This is pound this topic but it's so important. Fuck would everyone thinks you know what you want. You know what you want as long as it's not coming from a mind and that is Intoxicated or or has a a boyfriend or a girlfriend that's manipulative knipling. If these thoughts are pure and they're yours and you know it faulk what everyone says. Follow them because you you need to get there anyways to experience happiness even if you become a doctor that your mother wanted you to become but you didn't feel it if you become he come that doctor. You're not going to be happy because that was her dream for you. That was not your dream for you and Shit my yeah yeah my dream was to do exactly what the fuck ornery now. And that. And that wasn't real clear. Then no one knew I. It's but you have to go after as good. It's a good place for Rapid John. This was this cool man. I think I enjoyed coming back to the segments. I learned some things I really dislike. What about snapchat tender currently where for for my kids myself? But I don't know Kudos John I think there's a lot of good A lot of really applicable things in this episode. And it was it was a I was pumped to get back to the segments man shirt year. It's good it's good times uh-huh good times. Hey make sure you guys. Leaves a positive comment. 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"Yo what's up? Welcome the kind of funny games. Daily for Wednesday may six twenty twenty. I'm one of your host blessing addio. Junior and joining me is the force that is Gary would a I like that. I gotta say I liked that better than the rogue one. I like it when you call the force. Thank you thank you gary. I have two things actually when an address off because of Star Wars. Yeah because Oh Kevin Force to be reckoned with right you gotTa Kevin to address first of all I want to say. Congratulations on animal. Talking updates on social media. I've been seeing all all the big moves you've been making. It's like Oh yeah. It's completely surpassed. Any expectations possibly could add for a started out about a week ago. Just me and my wife and my friend Adam Nicholson just Kinda screwing around in the in the basement of of my virtual house thinking could we build a virtual talk show certain kind of play dress up and pretend that being on a talk show a now somehow later. We're actually making a talk show with real celebrity guests and production values and booked up through the month the bay. I'm not gonNA say anything but when you hear some of the guests that we have booked to life later on this month you're gonNA freak out. It's it's crazy I've been seeing some of the interactions on twitter and seeing some of the people that have been that have been responding and yeah. I'm sorry for negotiations right now to get. Reggie on the show. Where an active negotiations for any chance on Sina? You know if John Wants to. I'm not I'm not gonNA chase him around the place. Kazlo top bone. I don't need to reach out to guest at this point if John Cena wanted to do the show. Of course he would be very welcome. He's always welcome on the animal talking couch. We'll catch his show Johnson. It would be an interesting one because he can't see him right. Like if you have an animal talking is empty chair. You know I was that that would actually make things much easier for us on this end. Actually that is true. What's up with this beef? I'm seeing between you and Jeff Healey because I saw that back north. I Jeff knows what he did. I don't WanNa get into Paris publicly but someone asks for today. Are you interested in the xbox series x reveal yesterday and I said I was until I found out that had jeff leads something to do with it as might my excitement for the xbox series x is is is surpassed only by the other contents? I Have Jeff Killian everything. He says and does so unfortunate. Maybe I can watch it. Light the sound awful something so I don't have to listen to his voice. I'm very excited about the series expert but like Jeff Jeff. I've got a beef. He knows what he did. I can't have anything to do with him. And I've said it before he will never ever ever come on God which closed a showdown before that happens. He knows how easily ought Jeff? This isn't my problem as Jack where he did. I'm sure Jeff listens to every episode of this show and Jeffey listening right now and you wanted to kind of funny games daily. You can come through. We can invite two hundred widow Wednesday. Yeah just no no no no one. I'm here I'm not. I don't WanNa stay room with the guy. Oh I mean technically earns you are in the same room right. Technically review a Webcam teen being in the same chat room is that I caught me in the same virtues. I copy in the same house. Kelly wow what happened just not having it. Blessing Jeff Kelly if you want to give your side of the story on a day where where where Gary what it isn't when I'm here when I'm on the show I wanna I wanNA know Jeff Keely side of the story and we thinks well all got beef with blessed with with Jeff. Kelly blessing and it's going to take a lot. It's going to take a lot up for Jeff. Khalida squashed that beef. It's not for me to squash the beef. Jeff needs to squash it. I understand second thing. I want to address Greg. Thank you. Greg was supposed to be here on this episode but we. We looked at the schedule gracious on too many things today. I know you see we're supposed to do like an animal crossing endgame version of Kennedy. Where you guys both come come on show as your avatars and so I'm guessing that's could be delayed week but if something happens next week to where we get. We get shuffled around again. Gary I'M GONNA OFFER UP I will. I will do that ritual episode with you because I have animal crossing. I haven't been listening. We don't have booked yet But I want you. I want everyone from kind of funny on the show on in the ordering which I like them. So for example tonight we have a very big shove a live show seven. Pm Tonight. Switch Dot TV slash Gary Widow. We've just dean is going to be on the show. What are the biggest youtube in the business The guys from Penny Okay Jerry and Mike. The creators of packs going to be on the show tonight and our first guest from kind of funny. Joey Noel going to be live on the show tonight. I ask twitter. Do you want most from kind of funny on the show and Joey wanted in a landslide. So she's going to be on the show next and then I think I'll bring people on the order in which I like them. So whoever comes on last you'll be able to figure something out from that Gary. Where can people catch animal talking twitch slash Gary Witter? The shows go out live ninety M Money Pacific. Fridays Pacific nine. Am and Wednesdays at seven PM Pacific so we have a show at seven PM tonight. And then if you can't catch the show live you can go to YouTube dot com slash g witter and we have We have all of the show's archived there and you can watch them. Basically on demand yeah like a whole ecosystem going on you. Have a whole. I'm telling you I'm learning on learning about being a youtuber learning about twitch streaming. It's been one of the most interesting things about all has been learning all these new skills like we see in the last week. I figured out how to do lights cameras and transitions animations and Adam has been really really helpful. All of that and it's been amazing to get this talk show up on its feet And I've just been loving. It's just it's a hobby that's really all. I think of it as we've had I've had been approached by corporate sponsors. I've told them to go away. I don't want money I only. I just WanNa have fun doing the shot. That's amazing Gary. Would I look forward to being on Sunday? We listen? I know you're a busy man blessing but we'll work around your schedule. We are going to get you on the shot. Thank you. I appreciate IT GARY. Today stories include. Ea having a big year. Sarah punk letting you play with your balls and more because this is kind of funny games daily each and every weekday at ten. Am Lie right here on twitter DOT TV slash. It'll make sense when we get there We run youth news easy to know about. If you're watching live you can correct us when we get stuff wrong. We're going to kind of funny dot com slash. You're wrong if you don't want to watch live. You can watch later on youtube dot com slash kind of funny games or can listen later on. Podcast is around the globe by searching kind of Funny Games daily show at Patriot dot com slash kind of funny games bronze members or above gets right in in silvery members or above. Get the show at free with exclusive daily post show some housekeeping course. The Core Stream is happening core of courses game where you whip up your own multiplayer. Video Games published them and play them with the world. Thursday that's tomorrow at three. Pm Pacific Time. Join Andy Greg. And developers of core as they make games and test them out with you. That's right go. Download the core Alpha right now at coreygaines games dot com and you can play whatever they create live on twitter dot TV slash. Kind of Funny Games follow at. Core Games on twitter for updates. Our reaction to the new last two story trailer is now live. Youtube dot com slash. Kind of funny games. Gary did you get to catch that last last trailer. You know the last of us to is a game that I have on full media blackout to anything until I play the game. That's my attitude fair enough i. I'm kind of the same mind but of course we're kinda funny. We love to react to things and so I mean. I made the exception for last job. Your job is to reacts to trending exactly. I made a choice. I don't WanNa see anything until I actually play the game. Let me ask you this. Do you feel like the new trailer gives much way. Because that's my problem often betrayal. They give too away it. It doesn't give too much away but I would say like if you WANNA go on. Blind is going blind. The trailer does grant a little bit of context. What's going on and it does probably like show. The Games hands a little bit but overall I'm not coming out of the trailer knowing exactly what's happening by any means like it doesn't do the thing where it's like. Oh I know the story now like the job kind of keeping his cards close to the chest we're actually working on getting Neil Druckman and some of the other people who last of us to on the show when the game drops we're gonna a special last episode. Oh Yeah we're working on it right now man big movie and made here Remember we're reacting alive to this week's inside. Xbox IS OFF GAMES NEXT GEN. That's happening tomorrow morning at eight. Am Pacific Time right here on twitter dot TV slash kind of games before kind of funny games daily. Thank you to our Patriot producers Mahmoud Mohamed and blackjack today were brought to you by manscaping but I'll tell you about that later for now. Let's begin with what is forever will be the rope report at the time the Baker's dozen starting with number one which is of a boring one but at the same time kind of come kind of an interesting one. Ea is having a big year. There was a big old. Ea investor call where they kinda they kinda gave details about. How they use your has gone in in They kind of gave some some of the vision for their future at least for for fiscal year. Twenty Twenty one point from Rebecca Valentine at games industry who writes after a disappointing two thousand. Nineteen Year forecasted rebound in fiscal twenty twenty led by live service games like a legends the SIMS four and is annual sports titles. Let me stop there and give more context fiscal twenty twenty for ea just ended and so we just entered fiscal twenty twenty one and so is Kinda ahead by a year when you look at their fiscal year. And so when we're talking about fiscal twenty twenty. We're talking about the year that just ended for to continue the article them. It appears to forecasted accurately with the copy reporting it's Q. Four and full year earnings. Four twenty twenty showing year on year revenue in bookings increases increases the lion share of which were from digital and live services for the quarter. Ea reports digital net revenue of one point two billion dollars. It's up twenty five percent year over year and making up. Eighty eight percent of total net worth of one point four billion dollars operating income forecast for reached four hundred million dollars up one hundred and five percent year over year. Total net bookings in the quarter were one point. Two billion dollars made up of two hundred eleven million dollars in full game down those up twenty five percent year over year. Eight hundred thirty two million from live services which is up seventeen percent and one hundred and seventy six million from mobile. That's down three percent with the company's mobile revenues declining. Ea noted in its earnings in fiscal. Twenty twenty one. It'll adjust reporting on net bookings to focus on four games. And Life's bookings only grouping in mobile in an other category quote in line with the new or inland with the direction. We continue to drive the business end quote for the full year as all digital net revenue of four point. Three billion dollars up from three point. Seven billion dollars last year and total net revenue of five point. Five billion dollars up from four point ninety four point ninety five billion dollars last year and a new record for the company. Net income for the year reached three billion dollars considerably up from last year's one billion with the aid of of a one time tax benefit operating income reached one point. Four billion dollars digital net bookings for fiscal two thousand twenty were up. Four billion dollars up nine percent year-over-year and making up seventy eight percent of the company's total net bookings which were five point two billion dollars last year digital net bookings made up. Seventy five percent of total net bookings and sixty eight percent the year before that additionally EA shared that fee for twenty twenty has reached over twenty five million unique players and store. Should I fall in? Order has over ten million unique players looking ahead. Ea ANTICIPATES Q. One net revenues of one point two billion dollars net income of two hundred. Seventy million dollars and net bookings of one billion dollars with burnout burnout. Paradise remastered and command and conquer remastered released during that period for the full year. In this we're talking about the upcoming year now for the full year. The company projects net revenue of five point. Five billion dollars. Net income of nine hundred and seventy eight million dollars and net bookings of five point five billion dollars with F. L. Twenty One and twenty one plan for Q. Two and NHL TWENTY-ONE PLAN FOR Q. Three additionally EA announced release additional espn an additional EA sports title and e Ahd title four titles from Third Party partners to mobile soft Launches Medal of Honor Vr and expansions onto next gen platforms four current EA titles this year. The phase includes the fact of revenue. Recognition from the Games are launching the current generation of consoles. That can also be upgraded free for the next generation and quote said O Blake Jurgensen and so to boil that down. Because I know I just set a lot and all that was a bunch of numbers and a bunch of Boring Shit Goal that down right has had a bigger year due to life. Service Games right. That's one two plants release fourteen games or the next eleven months right which is big There's going to be additional J. Sports title which I don't believe we've gotten word on you and then E is going to have free upgrades for their current Gen Games on Nexgen titles which are on next. Gen Consoles Which is kind of the Big Hitter. I'd say from the story Gary does any of that. Do Anything for you know. It was very boring. Yeah Fair enough. I about halfway through that By the way. I don't know what my video is. Coming through mirrored on discord. You're actually seeing a mirror image. I did it so that your angled the right way. Oh you want me to be facing the right way. Okay well whatever whatever works for you want me to unmarry. I'm here to serve you Kevin. Whenever you want. I'm just saying you say the word I'll une mirror you know. No no I mean it's it's fine. It's it doesn't make any difference. No that was very boring about halfway through that blessing. You start to sound like the teacher from the peanuts cartoons. Want Walk Wall has made a lot of money okay. What's the next story? See to me. The thing that makes us interesting is one the live service thing right like. How does that affect how he operates going? Forward the idea that they'll over the last year I look at the SIMS. You look at Apex Sports Games and this is this is necessarily something entirely new. Ea them making a lot of money off of live games like that's kind of been the story of their generation But I think with this this year being like one of the more successful years right I think then signals that they're going to stick to this Even with the fourteen games they have announced Over the next eleven months right like I don't I don't necessarily see them. Baking like Like a numerous edge for example. Right it seems like there seems a comfortable spot with the Games. They ha they have been making. You're right I mean. I don't mean to be facetious. Which by the way is one of the early words in the English language that has all the vowels in the correct order. Thought to tell you that was cool. I was really cool. Yeah I mean you can actually divine some things from there so you can actually is going to go with. The money isn't if they're making money in live service. GonNa continue to do that So yeah expect to see more life service games for expect to see them doubling down. It's no surprise in this context. The is trying right. Now to reboot and reinvent anthem exhibiting if they if atom two point Oh can get it right then they cannot. She's not making money at that. They they screwed it up the first time but maybe they can get it right on the first balance and I hope so because I love anthem to be a success. I don't like to see people fail. A someone engaged in the creative arts agonizing. Win Some EPA a lot of work and to Crashes and Burns and if they take another There's nothing we like. More than a good redemption story right so anthem comes back and he's actually great. I know would be more thrilled than not. I think a it would probably be be more throw than May but I would be throat. Full of them And I think you're gonna see that happening because again. A lot live services is way the money is an EA Realizes that as they oversee all because they looking at the numbers the more? They're going to double down again. The question is are they learning how to do? Live service in a better. Why the isn't that doesn't have aggressive. Monetisation the doesn't just an endless loop grind that makes people miserable. They have to find Whiteley. We they haven't learned how to live service right. They've what they've learned is there is gold them doll hills. There is money to be made in live service gaming and so they are gonna go hard into that and so they go heart into it successfully. They are going to have to learn how to do. Live service right. Everyone does no one really knows how to do. Live service right yet. We're getting better at it all the time because it's a new. It's a new form of of gaming We're still figuring out where you know whether what the parameters are and how to do it right and when if you overstep the mark. So they're working on it. I hope they get it right. I like when live service games work and the net good. I really like them. Yeah I think when when when it comes down to live. Servers Games right. And how do we like as process of figuring out that How make those work right like I think for them really comes down to going like each game as unique as opposed to try and trying to treat all live? Live Service Games the same. Because if you look at the frontier which came out a couple of years ago and had that huge controversy with Loop boxes and was really the game. That really likes sparked like the the big uproar in terms of loop boxes and how we treat them and them being predatory Especially the kids. I think you look at you. Look at it battle frontier when you and you and you see that oh it took this from like fourteen team. They took this from right. Your sports titles right and you know you look at something like anthem and it very much seems like. Ea just didn't just didn't doesn't necessarily know how to grapple with this type of life service game right. I kinda got a treat. Everything as individual and everything is unique. I think Because the way that people are going to approach playing a like FIFA is different. From the way you're GONNA approach playing a game like anthem. You can't put out an you can't put out anthem and treat it like it's like it's fine. Expect right the same results I think for like you look at you. Know in the in the talk of Life Service Games and has in their evolution and Kind of where? We're at with with games as a whole right like I look at Games like why look at ubisoft publisher. And I'm like yeah pretty much got things figured out in terms of what a service game means to them like. Just gotTa ten from Gamespot Earlier this week as like an updated review because they figured out there flow flow at that game game. You got a place where it's incredible because Kinda kind of figured out that formula for them. I think they just have to figure out like all right. What is what is our what our core values for us as a business and how we operate in in making our games last a long time and we that doesn't feel predatory And Free I think they have kind of a long way to go before they reach the point where feels like everything is balanced with them Right now it does feel like they are. They often throw things at a wall to see what sticks and anthems one of those things that didn't stick in that leftover very bad taste in people's mouths and by the way I think it's great that's The the review sites going back and revisiting games as they evolve because games games on a static thing anymore. It's not like you know back in the Nintendo Super Nintendo days or whatever you get a cartridge on that game that you bought was going to be the same game for the next for its life. Unlike the cartridge guy would never change now gains of Auburn. They're patched deal see and all kinds of the constantly made like Mike my Guess play Ravers exchange but my guess is that Rainbow Succeed. That you play today is in many ways unrecognizable from the version that came out at launch. So I think it makes sense for the review sites to go back and revisit them give them a score that represents what the game is today and just on the whole live service issue again you write like what works in fever may not work in that. I think there are general principles if figures out for example away to loop boxes that people actually like and doesn't turn off their audience and you can make money doing it. It could be to that. Principle is a universal principle that can be applied to other games. Always yes ultimate team. How do you make that work at? That's not something that can cross over but I do think this is an emergent form of game design. Life Service Games are a new thing and there's all kinds of new game design principles. A new best practices that game designers have to learn to make the live service games. What well and they're looking you know e as looking ubisoft which is looking at activision. And they're all learning from one another in from their own their games that they have inside a their own stable And they're GONNA get they're going to get better at it and I'm excited to see this genre of game evolve the Nino. Biologists writes in two dot kind of funny games. It's like you can't says happy widow Wednesday surprising turn of events. Ea announced that their upcoming Games can be upgraded for free for next GEN systems on the PS five xbox series x now. We know that xbox has they're smart delivery system and this is where we get into my two questions one. Could this be the first sign? That Sony has a similar up their sleeve. Finally with the idea of upgrading Games for free for new consoles. Do you believe that? The idea of a new concept generation. Having having week lineups will be a thing of the past. Now that we'll have our previous our entire previous generations library running better on our current system moving forward particularly particularly with xbox but not But cheap DVD. With Sony. Thanks the biologist. So let's look at that first part of the question I write like could this be because it's the first time that Sony has a similar idea up their sleeve talking about smart delivery. I hope so because I I think what experts has been talking about in terms of smart delivery has been great. I love it. I love the idea. Smart delivery the idea that I can. I can pick up assassin's creed Valhalla for xbox one. But when if when I get my series ex I'm going to have the series it's GonNa it's GonNa automatically upgraded to the beefy aversion play on series X. That's fantastic the fact that we're not gonNA have to buy gains twice. And I think I said this on the show before that is such a gauntlet thrown down by Microsoft at Sony's feet. The Sony kind of has to pick it up. You know. There's going to be a battle. Not just. This is just going to be a battle of tech specs teraflops in the new generation. It's going to be about quality quality of life what what's was the experience actually like on this platform and if xbox one say hey you can buy one copy of all. Halla and it will work on xbox one and series x over a playstation. You've got to buy on. Ps four and then rebuy has five. That's a major major advantage. The XBOX has over Sony so I think Sony had the they'll they'll come up with their own. You know a trademark name for it but yeah I think they have to match that move. Don't you agree? Yeah I think this is. This is more evidence that Sony has some answered to smart delivery. Like me and Greg talk about this on the show. previously in terms of Smart delivery and like. How does that look like versus backwards? Bad Bill you. For example in conversation kind of always get gets muddy the deeper and deeper we kind of dive into like the difference between the between the two But yeah as a simple concept right being able to buy a game once and then having that game available on your election system and also your current system and having to play the best version of that game anywhere right like. That's a big perk on the xbox side and EA coming out and saying that yeah like our games are gonNA be available for free or not free. But you'll be able to upgrade for free for next generation if you say by twenty one under current console that then tells me that. There is some sort of solution for for playstation right. Like you imagine that they're doing that. They don't explicitly say spark delivery In in the story but you imagine the as we are doing that on Xbox at least will probably be smart delivery unless they have their own solution and if that's the case then they must have. There must be some sort of solution for playstation. Make that happen speaking speaking of the coming console wars. And what is Sony? GonNa Offer Head Microsoft. Or what are going to be the competing office. I sold this rumor. The other data that it was on a very dodgy site like they kind of site. That prints room is without any verification. But I don't know if you heard it. But it was a rumor going around the new playstation store on playstation five. Almost going to be like stadium where you can jump into any let any game. That's on offering the store you jump in and like immediately play a demo of it like it's just immediately live in a goose stadium. Kinda Weiss eating like instantly. Try a game before you buy and I don't know if I believe that the site that posted it wasn't really a site that had I don't know about this This doesn't seem like there's a lot of credibility to reporting here by the. Hey if that's true that would actually be really cool. I really really miss the day's play. An xbox three sixty Microsoft had a rule every single game that went up. You had to have a demo. You had everything you couldn't you couldn't put a game up without a demo and I kind of Miss Those days and I wish I wish they would come back so I don't know if you've heard that rumor but I've seen it would be cool if it were true. I've not heard that rumor but I bet you that's at the very least something that they've tried to figure out right complaint that you hear from everybody else. Listening to a podcast. I I like called Bodega Boyz. Which isn't a video game. Podcast is Larry just just a comedy podcast from Jesus and Mero the personalities and the the topic video games came up and they're complaining like Oh yeah man like miss. I miss when I can just put put on a video game and not have to wait forever for this game to download right lights. That's a that's a common theme that has kind of grown over the last couple of generations right with Adnan video downloads and updates and all these things and I in stadium very much. Has It as a selling point and I don't know that song really hit home from them but they've had in their advertising right that hey you can just you can be watching a trailer for a game on. Youtube and click button. Always joke right into the game. Yeah mmediately yeah. Stadium works that way and it doesn't yet stadium still offering its functionality is still like the barest bones all the features that they promised us many of them are things that are still being promised down the road lady and this has been a big promise. Stadia Stadium really launched long before it was ready to take out of the oven and it needed much longer before they launched it and now they're playing catch up and fighting all this negative publicity. If that if that's something that Google has seen has taken notice of and has tried to apply to. Their marketing of stadia is something that I I imagine that both xbox and playstation have taken a look an probably try to figure out ways to make experience. I would I would have just in general I would love to see game demos make. I think it's because it's a lot of extra hassle for the developer to build a demo even carve out like a a special piece of the game just to make available as a demo and depending on the kind of game not all games are really well suited for demos but I would really like to get to a point where they're basically demo versions of games are back so you can. You can play them before you try before you buy. And if there is a stadium type way in which you can just instantly click on immediately. The game is the first two minutes of the game or whatever you can play and get a feel of it before he before you commit to buying. That would be brilliant. But honestly I'd be happy to have game demos come back just in the old fashioned like download. This demo was. Yeah for me. We both I mean Sony has a guy but they have playstation now right which streaming technology experts has X. Cloud right which is not the back end is there. The question is the demos in the store. That would be really cool. Yeah and party. Thinks at the very least. We'll see one of them try it. I bet you if if if it's not the case that we see see it soon then they probably tried it. And they just couldn't they couldn't make it worth it in order to make it work in their store. I hear story number two CYBERPUNK. Lets you customize your genitals this comes from Joe Scribbles at is. This was referencing earlier when I said sorry. You play with your balls. Joe Sells rights to this. The has published this rating report for cyberpunk twenty seventy seven which includes new a new bit of information about the game's character. Creator you can customize your players you're player characters genitals per the report quote please conflict agenda in customize their character customization can include depictions of breasts buttocks and Genitalia as well as various sizes and combinations of genital channels and quote what appeared to be part of a project reds decision to not include a traditional gender option in the game instead offering a quote really inclusive expanded character customization menu. The report also makes mention of in game purchases but see product. Red Has secretly told. Aegean that these refer to the ability to buy future deals SEE EXPANSIONS FOR THE GAME. Not Micro transactions. Well as we've seen before cyberpunk twenty seven is a single player. Game with no micro transactions the NBA Info is based on the fact that that expansions require the base game and are therefore treated as a purchase by the rating board and this is said by spokesperson forest. Read much of the report which awards the game and m seventeen plus rating focuses on the adult content mentioned in the previous Australian ratings for including suggested as suggested sexual actions extreme violence and Gore and swearing quote players can encounter events where where they have to have. The option to engage in sexual activities with other main characters are prostitutes says the report. He's brief sex scenes from a first person perspective to pick partially new characters moaning suggestively while moving through various positions. Some scenes contain brief depictions of thrusting motions. Other scenes depict characters moving towards partner's Crotch and quote Gary Does this do anything for you? Do you have any interest interest in customizing your characters genitals and cyberpunk? I kind of had. I kind of had a similar reaction as you reading that piece to the reaction. I HAVE WHEN LIKE TIM O. Greg talk about shaving their balls. One of those manscaping commercial get ready. Yeah okay sure why not. I don't have a problem with it I I I think. That's kind of body modification. And that kind of old. Pablo the cyber cyberpunk Miller right. So why not? Why NOT GIVE PEOPLE AS OPTIONS? This is a story. That's going to get a lot of a lot of oppressed because deep down. We're all ten year old school kids right. He said he's a Dick he said Poopie. That's funny like your bodily functions and genitals and things like that off for some reason hilarious and we all are always like talking about them when you know the horse balls was swinging around and red dead redemption. We thought that was great and Hilarious. A lot of news coverage. I'm sure the people at CD project red knew that this was going to a lot of news coverage it does sound like the romance options and this is an of the intimate scenes in this game. Going to go to the next level beyond like mass effect. Whatever which was very you know it was suggested didn't really like or anything other thing. This'll be hardcore either. I think it's it's going to be like the next the next level up. Yeah I mean you down depending on which way you look at it do you think is GonNa get news stories. The way that masted because when massive had those sex scenes right that was like a thing on like Fox News and CNN like Oh yeah look like video games are allowing you to simulate sex. That was like a big news point. But do you feel like we're kind of past that at at this point like it's been like what ten years since we had since massive kind of made that splash in the media. No I do. I think we're past the point where we're where we're having juvenile reactions. Every time we hear about bubis or a video game now wouldn't it? The human would never be on that point we will. In the in the year. Three thousand we will be playing cyberpunk three thousand seventy seven and it will be in some kind of playstation nine holographic crystal sphere denying directly into your brain. I'm still be going. I saw the guy's Dick like that's Never GonNa Change. I can't wait places. Yeah let me. I'm always mentioned in this in this year. Esrb right up. I'm I'm down for as long as as handled correctly right. Like the idea of being able to choose your genitals and like customize malls stuff right like I mean I think that allows for more inclusivity which can be cool right on. I think that's true is true as well one of the things they go into a little bit of hot water about this. I remember last year when the when the first press news how they were handling gender non you know non binary gender issues and body modification and stuff like that. And you know it's a. It's a tight that the walking they need. They need to do in the right way where they don't you know piss anybody off. They're playing in the sandbox. And if they do it right could be really cool. So I'm going to wait and say yeah and that's my thing right cool and it could be really progressive and really forward-looking and kit includes so many people which can make this a very beautiful thing on the other hand. I hope they just don't fuck it up and like make it insensitive in a way where it's like you know now where we're making fun of people for the genitals or something like that right like I. I hope they're able to pull this off in a way where it's like like game gameplay ramifications for example if you give yourself a massive massive. Dong would that the options are available to you for example to repeatedly cosmetic. That's a good question I go. You can add on I you thinking I thought it was like you. Have you have a big? Dixie can go as fast or your ideal encumbrance like having you can only carry so much you know. Yeah but the idea of the way you customize your genitals then like affects your your romance options. That's very. That's very much deeper conversation that I'm sure like they have to wrestle with over there and I don't I don't know if they go that I think for them. They just of play the safe route and just probably let you romance. Whoever you want and don't like because I feel like when you kinda apply restrictions so that feel like they're restrictive just for the sake being restrictive people kind of our rubbed around way like persona five for example personified. You're you're playing as your own main character who you name and all this stuff and you're basically able to romance pretty much every female character in that game if you want to. But you can't romance any any of the male characters. I know there's some people that that that that didn't really like the idea of that And and the original persona five like aggressively anti guy there. There's really kind of stereotypical gay characters. I believe in in Royal. I believe they've taken those carrying change in royal enroll they? They've changed it a bit so that the gay characters in persona five for the ones that you're talking about like they basically were kind of predatory in there it was it was it was kind of definitely like. Oh this is kind of a gross depiction of gay people in personify role. They changed that a bit. So that they don't come off his predatory they just come off as more so like like. I haven't gone. Yeah I don't know the exact way they do it but they fix things from what I from what I understand. So yeah for for a cyberpunk. I imagine they let you customize your Janet all your genitals and stuff but I don't imagine that they make relationship stuff restrictive based on that. I don't usually look at the chat by having just glance at and crush lemon says I hope I can put lasers on my Dick that's an. Ibm I mean you. Can you can see the things that you can add. Custom technology like body modifications to your body. Put like chips in your arm and stuff like that. Why not? Why not put a laser on your deck? Maybe you could use it as a weapon. I mean I do you ever play days X. The the modern yeah of course cracking the like those those games. The modern ones deal a lot with body station and like replacing replacing parts of your body and making them kind of like upgrades for your character. I'd dig upgrade. You know I think we all would. Yeah I mean Yeah Yeah story number. Three Gary Mortal combat eleven aftermath is the games year to expansion. I'm pulling from alissandria Ferrari at gamespot. Who Writes Nether Realm Studios Mortal Kombat recently celebrated its first anniversary and the developers even teams that more content was on the way for the evolving fighting now mortal combat eleven aftermath has been revealed. And it's the first expansion of its kind for the franchise. In addition to adding three new characters including the next guest character robocop it also includes new stages state Retali- fatalities friendships and more story. Content releasing on May Twenty Six for P. C. B. S. for xbox one switch and stadia mortal combat eleven aftermath will mark the beginning of year two content for Netherlands realms fighting game for the first time in the series world combat will see an expansion to to the games at existing main story which will bring recurring antagonists. Chang Sung to the forefront set immediately after MK Eleven's conclusion the epilogue storyline form. Mk Eleven aftermath. We'll introduce much of the new content coming to eleven which includes which which includes revisits classic stages like Mk. To's Dead Pool and K Threes Sole Chamber. In addition aftermath will bring bring backstage fatalities and friendships. Which will end grotesque matches on a much lighter note aftermath will also bring back classic fighters like the wind. God Fujian and Sh- and the show on Warrior Sheila. Who's been absent who both been absent from the roster for? Rasa for quite some time. I can't talk continuing with the tradition of introducing guest characters with previous guests being spawned the joker in the Terminator Mortal Combat Eleven aftermath. We'll see the arrival of the I guess character for your to it. Owns Cyborg police officer Robocop? Originally from the hyper violent. Nineteen eighty-seven action film directed by Paul Verhoeven. Robocop is a well armed immensely powerful action hero which makes them. An excellent fit for though. Details are scarce on. Hell he'll fight. There is no films actor Peter Weller. We'll report will reprise the role for his appearance in eleven for complete authenticity. Gary Are you. Are you a big Fan of robocall? Oh huge fan of robocop. In fact I know Peter Weller a few years ago myself on a comic book writer by the Name of Ron. Moths did little charity projects to try and raise money for a food banks in Detroit because they were really struggling in Detroit with their Food security situation and we did a We created something called Rubber Charity and we actually got Peter Weller to come and record a little video for us to help promote the charity. And I got to got to A. Madame spent the morning when he was super nice and needed a whole really cool video where he promoted the charity and then at the end because I specifically asked him to do. I'll find the video for you. He wants to thank you for your cooperation. Oh that's so cool and so Peter. Weller is a great guy. He's there's really no other voice for Robocop cool back into the game. My question is how do they wrote a cups itself carries up because he's in the get in the movies. He's not very mobile he slow. He can't jump. I wonder if there had been some game design challenges in converting him into a mortal Kombat character. The can do all the moves that he needs to do but still feel like robocop Kevin. Are you able to find a pull up the TRAILER FOR CALEB AFTERMATH? Actually I can work on it right now. My man because I haven't seen the trailer I imagined there. There's probably gameplay in there for us to look at it and see. Yeah like for. Mk I think traditionally or at least with these modern games isn't the fastest of fighting games especially K. Eleven I feel like I'm just kind of slower and so you're able to kind of have heavier characters like Sheva which was mentioned as a new character this DLC. She is like a heavier character right. She's Kinda like she's Kinda Goro. Goro is this huge giant with forearms and mortal Kombat and they do a pretty good job of Making characters that are like you know big have a lot of them are able to move slow but still be powerful. I would have ROBOCOP IS GONNA be in line with like you know what I wanna see more than anything. I WanNa see Rubber Cups. They're gonNA incredible aging give like comes out of his arm. The thing that you spike that he uses to interface with computers. But you also likes to stab people in the neck with it. That'd be Robocop guarantees really quick. There won't be audio because I have to change the configuration a bit but probably music trailer. They just dropped is it is it. Is it beautiful audience? Also yes perfect in that case he might be. We'll just scroll the game because this was like looks like story stuff which I'm also very excited for once again. I haven't watched the trail yet. Just because I have mortal combat eleven. I'm not good at fighting games. But maybe I should bust out at least play the story mode because we a story modes really good. Destroy mode is fantastic. And I think it's a very good job of making it succinct and accessible. In a way where it's only like four or five hours long. I believe if Russell out to you it's only get to second thing at the end like solid snake. They got here we go. Yeah Oh Man. It looks good. Oh that reminds me of the smash brothers reveal when they when they revealed solid snake. Yeah world savings to the end. They've been they've been doing a great job with how they reveal. Their guests characters song that Sang Sung. Yeah and then not having Sung back in the game. Yeah he's back in as a DLC character were now he's actually back in look like it's the actor from the mortal Kombat movie. I think it is yes it is. It's the same. Yeah he's he's voice acting races. Well 'cause that's what I'm going on. I can't hear the words. Yeah Yeah No. I'm pretty sure that'd sure that's how they did it. I love it. I love it I have. I have a question here from the five star man who writes in and says happy with a Wednesday. Today we got the reveal trailer photo combat aftermath. This came with more than just the new story content tease yesterday but also characters skins stages friendships and more with robocop being added to the Roster. Joining Joker spawn an terminator as guest characters. I'm curious if there is anyone You think would fit in the MK Universe. And he says. Sorry Greg tiny water would be to opie. Thanks for everything is stay safe. The five star man. Gary I know you said you haven't dived into mortal combat. Eleven yet is their characters that like that you would want for the game either way. It's a really good question. I'm thinking about it now. I think I will say this in advance like the ones that they have added. I have been great. Well I'm I'm not a fan of sporran is a character. Terminator is cool. Robocop is cool. The joker is cool. I don't know because obviously there's there's licensing issues as well and there's a lot of stuff that has figured out before they can bring these characters Into the game so much that he lie in the chat. How about that he like with these machete? That'd be Pretty Cool L. Man? Yeah heads my I. I would like to do marine to be in mortal combat. I would be a good fit. I don't people ask him for smash all the time. I feel Ed Boon the more that Ellie Ed Boon. If you saw interested I could hook you up with the people who own the Eli character and I can get that. I can make via cool jingle. GimMe a judo with Jinglin. But yeah like I for moral combat right. I'm thinking I'm trying to think of people that are super violent right and and also like WorldCom is being published by wbz rights. We have access to those property so like character and you know what what their blessing. It's actually not as easy as you think. You think these joint. You think these mega companies right you say for example and by the way now now that I've thought of this this this is my answer. This is the answer in terms of the character most want are in mortal kombat eleven. Let's say for example. They said okay. We want to add joey from friends as a playable character in mortal combat eleven. How you doing? Here's a how you do doing? And then he let rip spy now. That would be awesome right now. You'd think that would be easy because Joey from friends character is owned by Warner brothers and so is the game. But these companies are so big and there are separated into these separate silos and pods that lie. Just because it's all the same company doesn't necessarily mean that they play well together like the Warner Brothers. Television people might say Warner Brothers Games and you know how much you can pay us. We don't want to do it. They are essentially separate companies with with separate accounting. But they they're all under the same corporate umbrella but just because they are under the same corporate umbrella. It doesn't necessarily mean the Ed Boon could just walk into the Warner Brothers Archive and put like Humphrey Bogart from Casablanca in combat eleven. Like there's still a whole thing that you have to go through to make that work but not yet Joe Joey. My friend Joey from friends would be my onset. I'll say how you doing then he would rip your spine out and not too good. Apparently like that would be. I would say yeah I I WANNA throughout Baltimore from Harry Potter short another. Wbz One ray. And like yeah. But like I feel like when you look at mortal combat right like the Comma has gone for is super violent but then also like magic and all this different supernatural stuff. I feel like voldemort. Even though Harry Potter isn't Super Violent. I I feel like you could. You could lead motorcade like a little bit violent. Let me to bring any character from Harry Potter. It would have to be the villain right. Yeah exactly and so like level get their live one more tear people apart Walmart. Say Fuck to live. That's what I would like to see story number four. This is our last new story for the day. Gameplay footage for a cancelled Prince of Persia game has been on Youtube for years and nobody noticed until now Kevin. I have the video for you here. And we might be like risking risking at all if you WANNA play this video in the background but you know it might be worth it because this is very interesting on here. Cast NOT PERSIA game. Yes so there's a canceled. Principle for Persia game. The head game played uploads to Youtube eight years ago. And nobody noticed okay. I I'm pulling this from Daniel Ahmad on twitter. Because that's where I saw this and I think he might be the one that serviced it but yeah he tweeted this morning So apparently there has been a video for from Cancer Persia game up on Youtube for eight years. Nobody is still today. Looks Cool Age and it's called Principal Persia Redemption and then Jonathan Cooper. Who's a game animator responded to Daniel saying wow? I made the amazing work from animation director then For from for honor from the from the frontier. Amazing we're from him and team. This game footage pre-rendered game play a game pitch inspired our own pitch firs as three as they did a great job making it look like real gameplay so what we're looking at here is pre rendered gameplay footage for a cancelled principally game. I don't know if Czarist Ages and just nobody noticed this up for eight years and now it went through in only had like a thousand something views and that was after it was posted. So why is it suddenly popping off now like what happened? I think somebody just found it. It was like hey this looks like prince and then realize what it was and I think it's supposed on twitter interest like a fun fun tidbit for for you all. This is a print Persian but just never never came out. I mean you know now that now that we're thinking Jordan magna creator principal on the show On Monday and I asked him what he's up to I and he's working. He's obviously not in a position to say anything. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if more principles your games were in the work. Because it is a big franchise and I was a big fan of. I didn't if you if you played signs a time when principles I made a big comeback but it was fantastic. It was a really great game and the whole thing would like the dagga reverse time. It was a really clever gameplay mechanic and is one of the first games to kind of issues wall running but you know we see more running in every game now. Yeah it was. It was very pioneering in the same way that the first Prince of Persia was and it's super cool and now that I'm thinking about it. A principal style principles you game in an assassin's creed style like open world. That would be fantastic. I would love that. Yeah and looking at this game play footage like I was. They were going for right. Yeah and and it looks incredible right like the style of it. The eight years old. Imagine what it would look like today. Yeah and so there. You go a canceled principles of the game. That's just spit on Youtube. Just chilling there Gary. I'm very excited to see what Prince Persian might be but that future is so far away if I want to know what's coming to Mama Group shops today we're at. I look the official list of upcoming software on each and every platform as listed by the kind of Funny Games daily show host each and every weekday. Do you did it. Did it nailed it? You nailed it. You said one hundred. I'm completely off. I could. I could easily cheat in this format in this format and have it written down from me here but I don't. I'm completely off book now. I mean you only missed one. Where like you ain't you word? I married across like you on the official. Okay awesome given weeks now. Definitely definitely given it to you like that's like a ninety nine percent. You know you still get your. I appreciate that I used to. I used to not be able to do it at all. I'm getting there getting their out today. 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Twenty percent off and free shipping with the Code Games Twenty at Manscaping Dot Com twenty percent off with free shipping dot COM Games. Twenty is spring cleaning. Baby in your balls will thank you. I'm Leon Friedman writes in pay dot com slash kind of funny games and says ninety dog released a less. West two story trailer today. I'm trying to resist watching the trailer. Since at this point I'm in in rather go blind but it got me wondering should not have released the trailer at all. I'm sure the comments will be a minefield of spoilers. Be Best for them to go low profile until watch because of the spoiler threat to their consumers or is it business as usual and have to market their game no matter what no matter. The risk of Internet trolls would love your opinion. Thanks I'm Yod so for for the last two trailer Gary. Do you think you think it's worth it for nine. Dr Lisa given the spoilers and all the trolls and stuff. I mean I'm not. I'm not a marketing expert. So I feel like I can speak to authoritatively. It's a IT'S A. It's a tricky situation. Because on the one hand you know they want to get the would out about the game as much as possible. Of course they. Do you know you do advertising. You do trailers you pub- publicity. You do media but the last of us who is also a game that maybe doesn't need a ton of help if you if you can afford to scale back the traditional marketing efforts on any game. It's probably this one like everyone and anyone who's into gains knows that the last of us was a massive massive at brilliant gaming there's GonNa be a big sequel coming up so it's kind it's constantly in the news all the time They may be don't need to a trailer. They probably feel that they need to check with the boxes. Anyway simply say this in the context of the lake. I'm sure you've covered that on the show already. Big Big News. It made me really angry. And it made me feel terrible for Neil and everyone at naughty dog to hundreds of people to put their blood sweat and tears into this game for years at crafting. A story that people are. GonNa find interesting and compelling surprising and some Dickhead. I don't know who is tax into this over and leaks it. What a DICKHEAD. I don't I don't get it I really don't get it. It makes me very angry. I would hike to have been in that position. Whoever whoever is responsible for that leak should be. They won't be because they clearly have no shame they should wish I didn't it's disgusting. I'm disgusted by it to to ruin the fon of so many people who are gonNA accidentally see those spoilers and to enter to break the hearts of Neil and the people that worked so hard on that game to deliver something that will be amazing and so much goes out there and just shits all over it with this. You know. It's it's like walking past a movie like the these are the same dickhead. Like will walking past the you know the the people that were lining up to buy the latest Harry Potter Book just like Literally Shouting Spoilers out the window as they drove by in their car. Go Fuck Yourself. I can't stand people like I'm sorry I'm really get angry but like it really really makes me angry when people go the only who are these people who so fucking sad and a devoid of such an inner life of their own that the only way they could derive any pleasure any joy is by taking it away from other people. Fuck off. I'm done. Yeah I mean I agree with literally everything you just said Gary and in terms of do they change their their marketing. Push for for our two. They changed putting on a trailer. Any less I don't I think that kind of comes back to like you. Don't let the terrorists win. Like just just just go about the marketing. Push as you were going to either way because like when it comes down to people's bowling things in the comments if you really want to turn the comments off right as not log on youtube channel like there's an option for uploads disabled comments and I don't know if they did that or not for the trailer scroll down the commerce robberies reasons but yeah I imagine you just you just disable those. So that doesn't become a problem but yeah. I think for last also like when it comes to them putting out a trailer and not. I'm of the mind that they like for the trailer that came out today. I don't even think they needed to put it out. I think it's a nice treat for people who who want that right for people who are kind of thirsting for last list but to what you said Gary like people are aware of lasts. Less people are going to buy this game. Either way are excited for it. I don't think I don't think they really needs to be anymore. Build up in terms of our excitement for in terms of like the marketing effort. They don't need the last of us is going to be mega selling if you could live in two parallel universes where they don't release trailers and they do release trailers of the game are going to be roughly the site like it's not going to make that much of a difference think they're doing it because they know that the fans are craving things and they wanna give them little little teases you know they want they want to get them excited about the game not from a point of view of what we need to maximize sales but just to give the audience. The things they're excited about nothing wrong with that. Yeah and I think you still. You celebrate the game the same way you have that that same. Push the same way and you. Don't let the hackers in the Lakers win right. Like go about Your Business and you kind of just say fuck him and Hey let's we're we're still going to go about living our life in having a fun time in releasing are are because we release it by like. I'll say this again you know. Stay to protect yourself when it comes to scrolling down to commerce. I mean you can meet hashtags on twitter and things like that but like you get to a point these these assholes like it's one thing that they turned off the comments off on the in the last of US preview page. Youtube page where the trailer is is is or whatever but then you get people who will like we'll jump into threads and comments. I like nothing to do with it. Like you know you'll be in a youtube comments. Read about something like it's sports or something and someone will be going last us to. This thing happens so they just trying to get you. It's awful I hate these people. I hate them. There are no words in the English language to describe me on contempt and frankly pity for people that do things like that because like because I pity the more than more than I love them. I really do act scary. You engage in that kind of behavior if you're deeply deeply unhappy in your in your life and you can't get up to the point that he's what you need to do people these people WANNA FILL. Everyone does it. So you want to feel like you are as happy as everyone else right if you're down here and you don't know how to come up because you because you're so sad. The only way to achieve equal equilibrium is to bring other people down to your level by making them sad and it's pathetic pitiful and I just ate it and I wish there were a solution I don't know what else you can do. Fucking welcome that's it. That's absolutely fucking now. It's time to squat up Chris Q. Writes in with an interesting squad up and says a bit a different squad. Up May is Asian Pacific Islander Heritage Month and inspired by the number one video games journalist. Andy Cortez I wanted to create a shirt and donate to charity at the same time. The design is inspired. And also Kevin if you could go down to the dock where the squad up is opened up the Lincoln. Show it That'd be cool. I should said that before But to continue right I wanted to to create a shirt and donate to charity at the same time. The design is inspired by the idea that children of immigrants are Americans. But also something else a hyphen. The colors and letters should be familiar to fans of playstation one hundred percent goto feeding America. I don't I I don't see I don't see a penny from any sales. I just wanted to try and rally the community to help feed families in. Need the link if you want to buy Chris. Hughes shirt is T- SPRING DOT com slash Hyphen Dash American. Any it's like a cool playstation theme shirt right there. All priests proceeds go to feeding America. 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"Do This Shit. Yo Wear live. Welcome to the Qin. Lan podcast powered by webcam startup. I'm Ari Saunder. Ceo of Webcam. Startup can't land podcasting. Being a sad bitch and I do porn. That's IT SOMEBODY. Now Greg Go. We're going around the circle. Folks this is Greg Tuttle also known as busy man better known as busy man male camper performer. Mostly on Cam. Four but I'm around different sites High Guy. I'M LOUIS ROSE BY KAHLIL THROWS XXX AKA lily. I am the news. Staff writer for came lamb. Podcast IN WCTCAM UP I am also ooh out of breath in. I am a modest clip may clip maker. And I'm GonNa find me on only vans. Well I am platinum poesie. Also known as Carrie Anthony and I am a guest writer were Webcam startup in a code. Podcast person. I don't know what you'd call it. I'm gambling podcasts. I am a fifteen year adult industry veteran and pretty much every aspect of the business. And I'm here to support you lovely performers. Ceo's and everybody else is. I'm Cardi I you know. I'm your friendly neighborhood incidents man whore. I love fetishes right now. I'm getting into Avi posturing and I'm proudly expecting an alien baby. Now so baby you'll come out during the podcast later at a no all male only Fez and I will definitely show with the product so that might be against terms of service. Whatever comes out of you best intro. Ever though I might have to add kind of jealous to run again so everybody. Who's not watching the podcast live or watching? Youtube. You're missing out. This is why you should watch the video virgin because we just got to see Alex. Hot Big bellied full of alien babies. So you're missing out guys YOU GOTTA. Watch just live anyway. This is podcast one hundred sixteen. Holy Shit we've been gone for a while. If you WANNA follow along with us you can head over to Cam. Land PODCAST DOT COM Click on episode one hundred sixteen. We have all the links there for you. Now we're GONNA dive right into this. Only fans has added a new TAB fans feature it basically tells you who your top fans are and gives you a percentage of the amount that they supported you in staff. It actually happened in. I believe March for me. I WANNA say last month. Yeah it looked like a Beta around now and then they just released it officially for April and it was heartbreaking because I only had one person in my top fans because fun must say okay that makes people who are not alone so they basically give you a premade list that tells you like your top. Supporters are in rank them in order for like who supported us. That the most money on you blah blah blah. I think they get notification like the top one percents of pursuing something that he had a new life options. It's all go to turn it on and off. Yes exactly. It is the top five to one percent. They get like a congratulatory message from only fans being like. Hey you're in somebody's one like top one two five percent but Yeah I think it's a cool feature to road ward people that have been supporting a massive amount to be in that top one percent or about put it together as list You wanted to you. Could incorporate rewards into your top supporters and stuff like that and don't have to worry about keeping track of it yourself. It's a cool thing that nobody asked for. We'll take it. Thanks only fans staying agreed the incentivize having a hot mama contests and I know it says it's from May eighth to the twelfth but it was actually extended so it goes until twenty twentieth little shock about it. It's just a mother's Day contest by others obviously over now but it just a mom seemed clip. Whichever gets the most likes or heart is going to win. Five hundred dollars The you can uploaded clip into the until the fifteenth of May and the choosing the winner on the twentieth. So upload your mother themed Clicks and maybe win some prizemoney. When's Mother's Day in the States? Because here it was like one week earlier. I think it was last Sunday right. Everybody know yeah. It was the ten in Hungary. It's the first Sunday of every maze. It was one week before I am always so confused. That would be confusing. Yeah but I mean it's Friday here and it's Thursday day are we are lives togethers swim. What's it like in the future? Also it's going to be awesome. Just just you wait is gonNA be so awesome. Something to look forward to right so efficacy. Kobe Task Force Update. They've been having several meetings The production hold is still active while they tried to assess the situation with runner barriers. And Win it'll be safe to resume filming. Obviously creating porn is very hands on activity. And it's very hard to maintain your safety and and social distancing when you're creating porn with someone because I mean come on when you're collaborating what are the odds are going to be six feet apart. So all. They're having meetings. They just wanted to put out not day and let everybody know that it's in discussion and they're going to continue to give us updates on when it'll be safe for mainstream porn to continue filming question. Yes we know of any companies. That are outsourcing clip creators for content that we may be able to make some extra money these people that can't obviously shoot because they can't put two people together. I have seen at least two people offering to buy clips but I cannot name them right now and when I say one of them was like alternative girls or like some sort of inked like our brand though I have a couple of people doing it I think evil angel was doing may us. Yes yes that's correct okay. So yeah there are like big mainstream companies that are sourcing indie films. I don't know what the qualifications are that. We should probably actually post something about good ideas. Bring do the research you want all right but yeah don't film with people. You don't already live within. Haven't been quarantined West. Do It's not safe. Even if you put a mask on. Don't do it. Just makes them bad ass. Pov stuff guys do long distance. Staff use skype cools or. Whatever like you know this meeting gone sexy or whatever can use only fans knew camping feature that we're going to talk about later in the show. I would live less live. Oh but it gets better. So I'm live has launched a sexy cuts haircut guidance servants and that's it's an interesting thing It's a service that pairs up members with CAM MODELS WITH SALON OR BARBERSHOP. Experience to help. Guide them through at home. Haircuts because of the lockdown because of corona virus so the sexy cuts promotion started Friday eighth it ended may ten and they guided about two hundred and fifty haircuts during that. I would never do that. I don't even trust myself getting when I don't even just anybody else guiding me to cut my own hair but bless the people who got good haircuts for now oh ever imagined someone messing up their hair after paying you for Cam. Show where you guide them on how to do it. I'm not gonNA lie the best videos on youtube or like when the girl tries to do the the one and like all of the hair all. Yeah I still fucking surprise on. Their face is priceless. Yes maybe if I could film it in that way by destroyed something funny to post afterwards his. It's GonNa be a while before I'll ever be able to return to life on Cam. Yeah funny they do cam flooring bites you to their happy hour show Greg talk about it. Too yeah so we're doing a this fun happy hour two hours and it's just a crazy variety show. We've got Laura Desert from canoes and myself. And then we'll have three to four other cam for performers. And we just have a great time During truth or dare or never have ever other kind of crazy games and So we've been doing every Friday. Four thirty four o'clock eastern and we've gone through the initial sets and now we're bringing up to a whole bunch of other performers or your broadcasting on cam foreign want get exposure which is really the whole point of this is to Get performers in front of as many others as as we can so can force nice enough to top the homepage so we are getting three to five thousand viewers a week. So it's giving you a lot of lot of exposure and they also promote a lot of it so it's definitely worth worth during. We split all tips anyway. So you can just follow the link in the camera and podcast article. Look us up on on careful. And that's every Friday at what time for Cork not have sign up for camp for. I'm GONNA participate sexism. We do it whether it's viewers on because parents laughing and Nigga is here some Beka introduce yourself. Hello I made it. I'm late but I'm here. My name is Anthony. I'm Lee Director of artists relations. Lips as well cascade lifestyle down your introduction is so brief wonderful really is i. I actually wrote it down so it's GonNa be like the same thing every week or whatever that's sorry we have it down to process. You're gonNA prerecorded on just played. That's actually great idea especially with all the the audience. I'm doing this Abbot to the to the line. Play whenever it? How how does your waist always sound like? You're smiling. My what my not my your. Your Voice always sounds like you're smiling. I have no idea I guess I have to tell that that's good right now. It's really smiling. Because she's so happy to see us that's also true. Just a smile. So the T- awards winners have been announced. We have the full list of winners in our blog posts which you can find on Hamlin podcasts. Dot Com The event was streamed online on Groupie two four seven dot com the event ended up having to be virtual due to the krona virus. Which is no surprise. But congratulations to all of the winners and yeah not to you. I'm sorry it's a long. I didn't watch the whole thing because I came in late but it's pretty well done the The only weird thing is that some of the performers they all had to submit You know glad I want to thank you very much and all that kind of stuff But some of them didn't know exactly which award it was. So that. Got A little clunky but overall you know the streaming was pretty cool I've been to both in person events that are actually a lot of fun when do awards? But if they don't stream it you know a few hundred are thousands of people that get to experience it and it's fun but everybody else doesn't and so we were really great to see them Extremist live and buffed up the production value. So there's pretty hell yeah. All events should be online. Can the frequent porn awards? Start the voting. Please hasn't yet S- now. Oh and they just never put up the voting page. Email them be like excuse me. So I'm live. Launches A Hundred Thousand Dollars Initiative for couples and multi performer counts. So they are wanting to support invite new multi perform accounts to their platform any who registered by the end of the month the first one thousand independent and studio models were little will receive one hundred dollars bonus after the earn a hundred dollars in revenue with their cal. Free Money Right so what? Alex flies over to the states. We're going to get one hundred dollars. Bonus on our couples account that's only sounded like fairs. Billers day when you know it again. Oh we Peg For free celebrates their Tenth Anniversary flicked summit twenty twenty. Oh my goodness. So they are celebrating their star models and studios by letting them compete for a getaway on an exotic vacation known as Flirt Summit Despite the uncertainty of international traveling due to the corona virus flirt for free plans to return to Cancun for the twenty twenty flirts summit sweet. I'm a flair for free model. Now but I make way too. It'll get there. I mean I would wanNA anyway because airports are riddled with corona virus. Right now. That's what I was getting like. They should just make this event virtual. But that's just how do you gonNA virtual vacation send them some? Vr stuff and like send him like out like a little fucking sand and then like infrared bulbs and stuff like that thermostat up beach. Scented candles a little a little Bluetooth speaker with waves on it. Like Sh- in the birds. Yeah is what we need. Keep everybody not corona riddled. You guys are set up a beach in my house now. The episode -mergency funds have slowed considerably so the free speech. Coalition was collecting money to industry talent and workers that were unable to work due to the corona virus endemic and the donations. They have been receiving a have dramatically slowed down in their updated statement. They knew that they've already dispersed. A hundred and twenty thousand dollars of the one hundred forty six thousand three so far with that being said that organization noted that the donations to the fun have slowed considerably in warned at the current rate. They won't be able to reopen the application until the end of summer so they are just hoping to get more donations and if you want to support your industry and have the extra money to do so it is a good opportunity end. The speech collision is generally pretty helpful when it comes to the adult industry stuff going on and they've been very active in helping the community throughout this pandemic so it's a good company to donate to if you have the extra cash. I would love to see. Some mainstream sites like Minivans or stuff like just donate to the free speech coalition because of like. They're helping your workers so let's see some donations. You donate one hundred and fifty dollars to one model out of the thousands of miles on their platform. Who GETS the most sales on a video? Yep sounds like a good iot good marketing plan in my head at least yeah that rather than the contests goodness making. Most people are watching more porn during the pandemic on the threat. They are yeah. It's not like a bunch of money to like fifty. What's people people I mean? I think I found another leash but I need trademark before for someone feels it but okay fucking drunk so people people need more porn but people are more stressed. So what I'm thinking is I'm going to occur. You know the videos in youtube hours and hours of a sunset or a beach or something. I'M GONNA record in my dog sleeping and just you know put it up. There already been held so many people stress in quarantine I mean. I sometimes watch the record of hers sleeping. I have like an entire collection depending on how stressed I am. Fire it up and doing videos. I've got you airy does awesome. We should like trade hat sleeping videos. I gotcha there. I have them sue. So we're going to give you a free trial seven days and you're gonNA give me one. We're GONNA start a membership say but for sleeping pets is really soothing. Them hearing my cap per in his sleep is like a will literally. Put me the sleep. Because I'm like you know there's actually a pillow the I think it's called a coup bow or something a Japanese one. It has detailed that his and hers. And it's an it's like a breathing. A supposedly it soothes you. Because you are hugging. And you're naturally aligning your breathing rhythm suet and it's GonNa calm you down. I think it's a good idea. Yeah I actually really want that pillow. My Fat Dog S'mores on me so I have a nice relaxing experience like up. But it's still nice. My God the banners working there we go just for fans announce his AAC quarantine seen contests may twenty seven. Twenty twenty on McGinnis okay so the clip must contain it. We used to just for fans models and they have to have their own account. It must be a sex scene and you can only interact via the internet and the most creative scene with the best use of technology will win a prize. Money trying to think like a like. What do they mean by creative idea? I think they mean like trying to like skype sex or like more. I can't think of anything else other than that. Probably something else. Not that because why would be more like a bunch of ideas that I'm trying to recruit people from the telegram groups shoot some Internet porn. I shot my first team yesterday. With a girl in Romania. It was pretty interesting. Alec you need to do like a virtual impregnation video and it's like it's like the skype call rhyming in the New Light. Come on the screen. And then she liked pans over to her phone and there's like Jr is on the screen of her phone and she's like. Oh my God he is weird stuff happens the fuck that is genius. I need this. Somebody do this? Okay where there's two models vibrator in their passing back and forth party obviously was two separate ones. I'm glad everybody here is actually like created because for a second. What do you do just like have have specs really be like? Oh but both of those ideas sound like a video winning ideas to me so two guys make those clips down. Let's have a virtual orgy awesome. Are we on just for Fans I can get off Emeka Canary? We have not only I guess. Wait scenario goal of us are all only so that might be the easiest or the membership site. I don't have the fan club over. Like paid social media like she cooking as long as everybody by trading agreement with Liam eggs. Oh my God no. Mugabe could be in charge of all of us it can be like Simon says what like. Yeah like we meeting make up Cam. Parkas SPECIAL NOT SAFE for edition that I like the two wheel I can put like each of us can have a color in a number and I have been the wheel and whenever the wheel lands on that person like we draw a specific. I this fucking cool in the bottle but it'll be spin the wheel for the Boston. Leeann talking and they're like we're here for news we don't talk about how you guys. WanNa fuck like. Oh my gosh. Not News. White priceless ideas for people who might be a little stumped on what to do. How congratulations speaking of wonderful ideas? You can talk about your article that you wrote for money-making Games for fan clubs so one of the things that I was having a hard time with in my fan clubs were interacting with the guys interacting with my subscribers because it seems like they join and then they dislike quietly peruse and I. I wanted to liking gauge so over the last two or three months. I've been coming up with these ridiculous. I'm a big puzzle. Person Ali playing online games. But I don't necessarily want to on my off time. Be playing words with friends so I had to come up with some creative ways to get my guys in my groups to play along and interact so I came up with. Actually that was the condensed version. I have more. I have a bunch of different games like word cross Cross puzzles and word searches and even I'll take a picture the same picture twice but in one of the pictures. I'll change things up a little bit and it'll be like spot the difference between these two pictures which seems to be the most popular on like one of them. I bent over and just took a picture of my button and the other one. I put in a plus. Oh Yeah and then of course they're like oh you gotta plug gain and they get all excited about it so yeah. It's just a great way to interact with European clubs subscribers and there's so many different games that you can play that help like even things like making them go through your content defined like the photo set that features superman or whatever like you can even do Like I did a treasure hunt and the treasure hunt was going through all of my content and posts to find certain things and once they found those things they were able to like. Tell me the date the time that this posted or what would date or time. This posted it gave them something to do that. Kept HIM ON MY PROFILE. So Yeah Games is concerned genius game all genius. I mean just great ideas. I read them all and they are so fucking cool. I'm going to do all of them. Thank you it was very. It was fine like trying to turn much. Yeah my favorite was the Atlanta. I had them create ad. Libs whoever came up with the funniest one in my opinion one like a free months of my fan club. So yeah it's a great way to keep your fans engage editing jess. Oh I posted a picture. I posted a new video. I love to the one you have where you have them. Go back and look at old content because that's like a good way for using contacts. Wait there's a pretty united us than they're going to you know. So it's a great way to almost reuse old content because I feel like nobody actually goes back and looks at at which they really shed because there's so much there Berlanga girls they just don't look right everything the fucking expire because people don't appreciate it. Hey maybe this'll get me to actually get people to go look at it. Where was this around Easter? I could have called an Easter egg hunt because I had a fucking bag of Easter eggs. That was accidentally in the background of one of my photostats and holden. Like one of my fixers in. It's got like a big like multi pack of toilet paper and they're like there's all the toilet paper is your your seat. I'm like Oh man loops the worst about that. Unlike I'll just put it in important mode. It'll blur the background. I don't blow it. But a sh only talking about eggs made me search for all the positing sets at C. And all my God. Oh my God oh my God it again. I saw de Zolt. -able dissolve -able that you can land inside you whole overlook. Okay this is the whole new world this every week. Alad everytime we can on here you go on your rabbit hole search for these and an acid show. We spent an hour two hours actually looking at it going. Sorry just like by hypnotherapy sessions go to at Z. I hope everybody how genuine love here is because we really do sit here for like an hour after we get off look at commute. That's funny 'cause Alex will say something that everybody gets client and then we all get there and you see our faces where like I just stumble upon. He's up there by the time you get to the last thing. He's lived up. He's already found something new. So we end up playing the GAME WITH ALEC. The radical had love AKA generic on front. Asked me anything we've got the transcription of that interview? It took me two and a half hours with put together by the way guys because podcast transcriber ads. Don't understand that chatter. Bait is not chatter. Eight or chatter. Four and many bids was many bids and it. It was a hard time so you should go read the interview if you can't listen to it but if you're watching us here on. Youtube is on Youtube in. It should also be live on our spotify in. Itn's right now. Lydia is Great. We talked about her. Inspirations some of the stuff that inspires her within the industry and why she got started and stuff like that so anyone looking for a little. Pick me up and get to know someone in the industry who's been pretty successful. That can be a good listen for you. And now we're on into our priority names which we should probably spend a longtime talking about on happy because here for this one. Because we're GONNA be talking about. I want clips adding a positive phantom category now before any of us give our opinion on it. I want to hear. Migas take on this category. I how do you feel about it? This is just my opinion right. Not like announcement because I think by now pretty much. Everyone is aware of what this is the conversation with the community which is awesome. So my personal opinion about Percy. Put me on the spot here. Okay will your lifestyle dawn. You get so for me. It's a little interesting for me. It's it's definitely a style that I really really light so essentially pre faceless on say like my perspective against my perspective which is separated from my own flips. Of course like I do see how it can be sensitive to those that do practice and in person like concessions in real life things like that however in the context of fend off the contents. Saint like I want splits. You see that perspective as well because and and now realm you have customers that are just trying to very quickly and easily finding the constant that they're looking for so as a just an average person. Maybe this person is only exploring submission for the first time not really that million with Nett whatever positive FEM Danzig okay. Immediately it makes sense that okay. They're talking to me any like humiliation manipulation degradation and it just makes it easy for that if I want. Clicks was like an in-person June. I think that would definitely be an issue. Have been a out because of course all that bomb can be a positive experience at likely news positive experience when you have to consensual individuals you know engaging with a month so I kind of see both perspectives and tough because at the end of the day. It's like you know we the artists that are on their pet site associates of business. And it's like this category and I. I don't really know how much I can say other than kind of what's already been said like positive. Feminism was can't keep that what's tested with customers. Nick did really really well. So it was clear like okay customers. They understand this term in in their own way and it was successful. So it's like well. Okay you know. We create category. The artists will continue with me where secrete several content. That's great and only money and everybody's happy so I stuck in the middle. I see it in both ways but at this crime you know where to compensate so I guess I'll shut up to and I'm totally interested in hearing what everybody thinks it's well because I think that's what was so at least for me really really cool about this is that it's are so much conversation and it know it got people to talk about how it is positive and and all these things so that was built up this category really excited me it because the noticeable thing about I want clips for me anyway is that they don't have an aftercare category which is something in domination whether in person online in clips whatever It's part of the practice now. Obviously you should be compensated for all of your time. And you shouldn't be doing Africare for free so that's where it becomes a little tricky with online versus in prison sessions because it's hard to really like give yourself the right amount of time to make sure you're providing a good show in adequate aftercare so seeing positive fend on gave me a little bit of hope. That may be some dumbs creating on. I want clips will utilize this category in a way to release reassuring content. That could be used as after care for more intense clips and stuff like that And also I wanted to suggest you guys out in after care category. So Hey y'all shoulda. Y'All should do that. It's a key word but I guess it's not a category right. Most positive secure absolutely like I think anyone that is somewhat even familiar with. I want to at all kind of knows the site culture and right now it is a dominated nice word it is dominated by a particular yoke sil- and that is mostly comprised of the you know dominant ratty spoil dumb and that's great. You know I love that. However that makes difficult for those submissive that are looking for not out you know they want something a little bit more positive knocked million not mean or something and I think all you know the domination should be on the site off and dump should be on there and this one in particular as well especially because it's like there's a clear demand for it but it definitely was married tricky to find a name for it just because it's like how like you have to have that balance one. Is You know for just the community. But also what is that customers? Are we understand all customers just the one letter experience and domination but anyone walking into this muscle validation url? That's that's intense. You know that someone's going to be easy mistreating and I keep this highlights that it doesn't always have to be that way. There are other ways to explore. Then mom and yeah. I'm super excited about this as well. The only thing I wasn't excited on was just how sub artists in the community. This felt like this wasn't fascinating. And how the word causing you might mean. Negative like saying all the other content is negative and that definitely was not what that he was trying to say? You know of course not so you. Can't I noticed on social media that there were some models that were saying like you know suck your positively? I'M GONNA do send on my way bubble like the whole kind of I guess. Part of it was a branding. Power grab type thing. But is there going to be any monitoring of the category to make sure that people aren't adding stuff to it to basically intentionally be bitchy lights or Sir and I think that's really awesome too because the artists said don't create you know this type of content? That's awesome you know you all by Bob. Ideally with on the site and celebrate. Because you know they're submissive that you like to listen forever dom and so for them to use this as well as being like. Hey you know this is not me. I'm not GonNa do this like that's awesome as well for sure there will be. The team will be watching this watch all. We have proclaimed complaints that we'll be watching this category for shorts and make sure that their slot some Jones like ositive. Humiliate you or something silly foul which is funny but definitely doesn't belong in this category so yes. There will be compliance within this category as follows all of the categories on the site. And that's one of the things I was GonNa say was that it definitely I I liked it. The category was made available because I do a combination of extreme humility humiliation. But I also have. I guess a select clientele. That's into the. They want to be humiliated but they don't want to be humiliated in decorating way. You know like Small Penis humiliation isn't exactly you you lose. They like her work like other techniques. And you know one of the things I've been doing is developing certain submissive that are in my fan base. And you know giving them positive reinforcement so this is something I could put into that category and Yes congratulations on adding it. As far as like the name goes like somebody's going to be offended by like everybody can't agree and it's so funny that the people that disagreed it said something negative about it like it says positive. You should say something positive about it. Just mind my two cents feel feel-good down. Yeah soft top lighter. Sure I'd like. I saw some of the suggestions from the community peak like nurturing that don was among one of the things are cashing trying to weekly. Wholesome dom week was on there. Were really great suggestions. But it's like would any of them really capture what they were going for like I. I don't know like we team submitted up to like management like. Hey you know. Here are the concerns here. The names you know. What should we do and be petted being reviewed but he adversary like I? I like it to most of my federal style. I would consider to be like modulation base but yet from the customers respected. Just like you're almost site you know how like notice bill with mostly humiliation content. That can be very difficult to navigate. And so you know it's only you only that increases sales like hey mrs you know. We're trying to find that match between customers looking for in up here. The artists that provide just that and hopefully it goes. Well I think it will off just because the the marketing for this has gone super well. There's a clear demand and because of that the man this was created. So this just like some random you know. Let's just add this categories. It sounds great like no you know. This was based off up marketing data. Like this is what you know. There are customers that want this content and it's strong enough of a desire to create category for it and this is the name they were warning that they responded to and purchase that most Rome. I'm excited to explore the category and see what other creators posting. And maybe get some positive phantom mighty is that sounds like it would be really cool. Yeah I actually need to go through my store because I think almost all trolley under- This label so I personally you know my style. Five secret cited about this. So yeah and I were. Excited are well. Is I agree like you. Don't you don't always have to be that came? You know dumb. No that's great plain sight. You know there are those that want to not be mean all the firing order or whatever in a part of by being purchasing mystery. You whether or not you and all this you know jury decide what you WanNa do when you WanNa do it. And that's that's empowering I look. Are there any plans to maybe add some umbrella terms to go under president? Some dumb like the whole wholesome FEM Donner transformed on thing. Like maybe in not in categories but in key words or something for like Humor are easier to add because those are less white prominent so for storage it. They're not already key words. I could see those definitely being added for sure awesome now. I need to go phone ups. There's nothing we can do a group video run right. So anyone else have opinions on the positive category Though I have to add is L- okay? Everybody knows I'm not the biggest dumb right but I do have da-ming videos I only do positive from them. I just didn't realize that's what I was doing now realizing like. Hey that's kind of the only defend I do so. That's kind of cool to see that. There's like a name for what I do so that that's all I thought it was like hunt. And there's a lot of people like those a lot of people who I see a lot of switches especially who aren't super comfortable diving deep into dominating because maybe they're not comfortable with being that media they want more experience or that's just not their type of dominate chip and a lot of people don't get the sales out like bigger meaner don because you're being advertised in the same area and it seems like a lot of the submissive guys browsing. Those categories are gravitating towards like lifestyle. Don's who are bad ass bitches and spoil than they'll call you lose and they don't give a shit about you but there is a demand for positive and it's just harder to find because it's like what like people who call it like bratty girlfriends office almost not much bigger over So yeah that's really cool that there's a place for it and that people can just feel comfortable doing it without having to do like a girlfriend type role players like that. Alan's Sir. Yeah like that. I think was part of bit. We're just we mean a place. That's very clear to both artists and customers that this is where you can find the continent and miss type of content being sets especially because like a lot of the time and this is just for inviting personal experience online. Like you know you get a lot of submissive. Just assume that when you do Vietnam you must be like me and you know you can really in my experience again. Talking with different submissive. That's like the only time that they never really consummate like a meaningful relationship with dom was most leaning just cursing who was very difficult to find that online and especially through content and so I think that was kind of an ink bullet in especially now with everyone quarantined. You're not exactly going in person anymore. hopefully usually so. I think this was also good. Timing where you know. We can continue to cultivate peace relationships online. And here's the place to do that. If you WANNA take a step further than just like he gets a transaction you know. Here's the content figure the buyer there. Are Those myself included? A DO ONCE. You make it more. Hey you know if you want like a real relationship with me as a plane that with me and you know. It's not just need degrading all the time like there's going to be balanced there. There's going to be the after care and all of those things so very awesome. I'm happy it's great. You know one of the courts both the whole online community versus traditional porn is You know the content creators and you know people that are seeking just that content You know that that style of offend on or or any other category the more categories the better because now you can get somebody that well. I want to do some dumb but I didn't think I fit the mold of you. Know what they used to be and so they wouldn't do anything and then people that wanted that subcategory wouldn't find anybody so I think that's awesome purser and I'll thank you always know so much the same when it comes that but I think that's really it comes down to the definition of where relief for me. Anyway I think the definition of Bengal piano and you're in charge and that's it you can you thank you want race if you mean you know whatever that means to you and that's it and so for sure those that really? Oh I have to be being after a certain way like no. You don't like all you have to do is be whoever it is more to be. And that's what's so great about it. I love it since. Stay tuned guys for my next video. Release Good Boys. Recycle followed by Great Boys. Pick up litter so our do you have anything else. Save that before we're going to say I have a video that's You won't be my boyfriend but she can be my best slave and it's a long plaza them so check it out. Where's IT looks. The link batted fatty finishes DOT COM. Yeah at the front zone is also on what state lines just completely zoning some home out on it's not like no maybe my interest but it's so much them. Yes so chatter. Bay announced their April video contest winner the First Place Prize was Lydia love. Who is very excited to talk about it on our Ama was her. So you should check that out if you haven't and They gave out two hundred thousand dollars in prizes to fifty people for creating safer videos just talking about their chatter bad experiences on. It's a freaking awesome contest. It's one of my favorite contest. I've seen in a long time and I just think they did a fantastic job with that and I'm hoping to see more. Companies put out things that are like that and focused on kind of building their brand in a positive light in east safer work atmosphere like that and the money they gave away as crazy. I'm shocked like congrats to all those winters especially the top time because gene. I'm at that I made a video. Didn't edit it and I didn't send it. I was GONNA but I try to. Over complicate it slide on ever enter contests? I can't just submit something. I gotta go like. Oh I'm gonNA pull snippets from Old Cam. Shows in screen shots in. That's very lengthy tedious process. So it never gets done and it's like. Oh wow congratulations to the winners. I sat on it like got. The worst is when you do all that effort though and then like gets removed like I made a video for Webcam startup of like how you can research getting into the Industry. And it's like can you do it while you're vacuuming. Yeah can you do it? While you're cooking and fucking youtube took it down. Why I they said we were like promoting a porn site or something. I'm about to re post it now. That doesn't have were appeals because I always get stuff repealed whenever they try to take our stuff down. Yeah I never understand these rules For example on talk there is totally okay for Gilles. Use Audio literally says take your Kolkov shuttered in Mason. Fuck me until you come and I am literally saying the exact words but I smile in fucking poppy mask and it's taken down because it's so so over the edge. Oh my God that's so I mean don't know Egli so weird. Youtube videos of a supposedly doctor doing a prostate exam with the Showing and I'm like you're showing genitals but I can't say penis educational purposes too. I'd just throw that in there. But yeah yeah speaking of they strict guidelines. If you can sneak stuff in fetish steph against amazing us on Youtube because you guys would be all not you guys specifically but maybe people watching would be shocked at the amount of people go on to look for Porn Alley. I'm not shocked by let me tell you any dengue youtube has abor video on it. A bird video on has one hundred and some thousand views and I'm like I'd never promoted it I've forgotten was even there until I got a thickness. Somebody commented on your Youtube. Like sorry even on our help videos like kate is video talking about P. Fetish like there's just a bunch of Horny guys commenting on her video. Link Peon me my queen. I started youtube channel so far so good but yeah. I think it's only a matter of time before I get the channel reported. Here's one audio on. You guys can actually check it out. Yeah we'll see all when I get shut down it's really I mean I follow we rules Keno stay that. It's informative or something I don't know what it's like one of my point free audios and it's just like me like a good way. You should obey me. Missa IN SOME AREAS. You know easy for me. It's what I thought was good like introduction like hearing my voice you. Kinda you my style and at the end. Hopefully you're ready to take that next step so we'll see you wit community so tell them it's not sexual tell them it's video to play for dogs when you're not home. I mean there's nothing like this directly sexual. Yes you're just saying you're a good boy and you should obey me age because to go as a dog. Oh my goodness since you. It is Pretty Tame Hashtag Dog Training Act sleeping pets. My goodness only fans has added a new feature coast streaming Sabella coast with someone airy. Yes you can your second on my list. I already told both I would earlier. So and that again on my calendar you know but on free traffic. Watch on those words. I didn't even know you could do it. Yeah you can set it up a WHO allow like people who follow you back and stuff like that all right someone who's used it talk about it because I haven't used it yet haven't yet either but they did include a handy little pictures and the original Ogle So it shows you everything. Basically one model sets up she goes to stream. I'm another model. Can join her street like go onto her stream and then request to be on it. The model streaming has to accept it and then they are live to both of their subscribers. So the two models who are streaming both of their subscribers can see e both of the models both the models broadcasting and the out both have an option to tip both the models. Even if you're not subscribed to both I believe so. Yeah very cool future. So when are we doing this not by hope sometimes through and hopefully this is a great opportunity though? I'm already cringing. At just knowing how much bigger accounts are gonNA charge for you to coast stream on their accounts with them because there's already people charging anywhere from like I think the highest Nebraska was like a thousand dollars for just a shoutout so I can't wait to see these huge accounts and how much they charge to have you on for a coast dream because I'm sure it's going to come and I'm Jay got him. I'm gagging not exciting for that but I am excited with Louis. So there's that yeah I'm to see 'cause my thing. I wonder how easy it is for the people watching to understand that. You're going to have to tip both of the models because like yeah the whole not whole part. We'll have to figure that out but it should be fun. I think it'll be a great way to promote with other models like cam and then their subscribers conceal all my God. It's a great way to promote. I think in my eyes. I'll be your test dummy fan tipping part. Stay like sending emails when you go live though. There's like no test stream. It's really unfortunate literally again. That's exciting so get your Start Co streaming. But I do want to say Just for fans already out of this feature like two or three weeks ago and you can have up to like twenty something people. I think on your stream. So yeah give it just fans and riding on coattails a little harder only fans. Y'All I'm only zooming. You can only have two people streaming unlike like that's a lame amount like up at. Oh my God if you can have more than two though if you can have three we should put Alec in the middle and late hasn't But he goes to the corner of the street and we have like a bill and it looks like it's his Dick. Yes excited I will need to get drunk for that because we are friends for so long that awkward all but I am down. I mean or science or science. It's not became Alex is secretly Sh- love with a of same time. God it froze. Did you guys thing I heard. I heard from work if somebody's doing it in landscape and somebody else's vertical. How did they put them together? Now I don't know the picture that they showed. It was on top of one another so that makes it even easier. You just have to Dangle Leo Nick Down You'RE GONNA you're gonNA eat grapes. Oh this is so many possibilities. My goodness okay of the weakest chatter base for giving away a massive amount of money for simple fun. Contests congrats to all the winners chatter. Bay Your lovely for that one day. You can't. 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President Trump: "I am officially declaring a national emergency"

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President Trump: "I am officially declaring a national emergency"

"Good evening tonight. The impact President Trump's decision to declare the corona virus pandemic. A national. Emergency will look at what it means to people and communities seeking help from the federal government but also access to testing which as you know has emerged as possibly the single biggest challenge to this country getting into arms around the outbreak. There's that and there's what else. The president said refusing to take responsibility for a significant part of the crisis here. We'll play it in just a moment for you and talk about it later in the hour and somewhat related vein. There's the question of the president's personal conduct in the face of this because he's already come into contact with want and maybe more people who have tested positive for the virus direct contact the man right there to president. Trump's left the press secretary to the president of Brazil tested positive. Picture was taken a moral. Lago just this past weekend. And there's late reporting that another person who visited mar-a-lago at the same time has also tested positive. I though some of what the president said today about the big decision he made to unleash the full power of the federal government that this effort today. I am officially declaring a national emergency to very big words. The action I am taking will open up. Access to up to fifty billion dollars of very importantly very important and a large amount of money for states and territories localities in our shared fight against this disease in furtherance of the odor emerging every state to set up emergency operation centers. Effective immediately. Also asking every hospital in this country to activate its emergency preparedness plan so that they can meet the needs of Americans everywhere the secretary of HHS will be able to immediately wave revisions of applicable laws and regulations to give Doctors Hospital. All hospitals and healthcare providers maximum flexibility to respond to the virus and care for patients laid out other steps or streamlining medical care and testing. The number of cases in the country kept rising now stands at more than twenty one hundred with forty-eight Death. More states declare emergencies their own more. School district canceled classes. Louisiana pushback it's primarily by two months Delta Airlines announced it was cutting overall capacity by forty percent. The Boston Marathon was postponed and just generally in big ways and small life across the country took yet more steps toward whatever. The new normal may turn out to be what has not changed that any effort the President. May to reassure people today also including plenty of patting himself on the back blaming past administrations for some problems today and ducking responsibility for important decisions made on his watch it all came together in this exchange Dr Fouled Sheet said earlier. This week that the lag intesting was in fact a failing. Do you take responsibility for that. And when can you guarantee that every single American who needs a test will be able to have a test? What's the date of that no? I don't take responsibility at all. Because we were given a a set of circumstances and we were given rules regulations and specifications from a different time Wasn't meant for this kind of An event With the kind of numbers that we're took into bed I don't take responsibility at all. He said the president of the United States. I don't take responsibility at all. It is a far cry from Harry. Truman's motto the buck stops here and it did not stop there and there is also breaking news on efforts to hammer out relief legislation. Nancy Pelosi announcing agreement with administration. But there are what are being called snags with those are. We don't yet know there's plus also news on testing and the president himself. Senator McConnell joins us now from the White House with more to Jim. Has the White House provided any clarity on if the president himself will will be tested and if so when a I mean I find it hard to believe. He hasn't already been tested whether they're saying or not yet Anderson and we're still waiting on officials over here at the White House to tell us when exactly. The president will undergo that Corona virus test. I will tell you talking to my sources. My understanding is is that the president essentially had to be convinced to take this test That advisers around him were urging him to undergo occur virus test and that initially he was resistant to it and so alternately deciding He needed to do that. And for good reason I mean if you look at. What happened down at Mar-a-lago last weekend that Brazilian official who tested positive for the corona virus. was photographed with the president and was in touch with lots of other people. Down there at mar-a-lago we're hearing that there was a fundraiser That occurred mar-a-lago over the weekend that the president attended. We're an attendee there. is now coming up positive for the corona virus. The trump campaign is saying that person did not interact with the president of but obviously there is You know good reason the present under this. We're just waiting to find out when exactly that's going to happen. you know the the the The White House disbanded the pandemic office. inside the administration Under Their Watch. I want to play this clip of how the president responded when he was asked about that the disbanding of the pandemic office which was the administration oversaw in. May Have back in two thousand eighteen. This is what he said today. Thank you Mr President Michel Center for. Npr News Hour My first question is you said that you don't take responsibility but you did disband. The White House pandemic office and officials that were working office left this administration abruptly. So what responsibility do you take to that? And the officials that worked in that office said that you that the White House lost valuable time because that office wasn't disbanded. What do you make of that? Well I just think it's a nasty question because what we've done is and Tony had said numerous times that We saved thousands of lives because of the quick closing And when you say me I didn't do it We have a group of people I could. I could ask perhaps by administration but I could perhaps asked Tony about that because I don't think of He doesn't know anything about it. He said I mean to be specific. It was John. Bolton his national security adviser at the time who oversaw the disbanding of the pandemic unit and nobody else was rehired for that unit. Do we know about what the president did or didn't know about it at the time. And why wouldn't he know about it? It's a very good question Anderson not from what we're hearing from White House officials. The people who were a part of that unit Did move into other parts of the National Security Council and are doing some of those same functions. That is the official word from the White House. In terms of why the president doesn't know about this or not taking responsibility for Anderson that is consistent with how he has been since coming into he has been the no responsibility president when I asked him whether he took responsibility for being impeached During the Ukraine Saga. He did not take responsibility there. And this is the president during this corona virus outbreak. Who has said that this virus would Iraq Asli? Go Away that the cases would get down to zero. Even there were were nowhere near zero at this point and so there have been multiple. Instances his his Downplaying the problem with the tests. He was saying that was going smoothly when that wasn't the case there has been instance after incident Anderson. You've been cataloging this over the last several weeks where the president obviously was downplaying this crisis and so ultimately he is responsible for. He's been president for three years. He likes to say well. This certain things happened during the Obama Administration was doing that today at the press conference. Those things didn't happen that he's accusing the administration of doing disbanding. The pandemic office in the National Security Council is something that happened on his watch so of course he's responsible for it. Yeah Jim Acosta Jim. Thanks before we dig further into the more overtly political aspects of the president's remarks willing to take a closer look at the public health side of all of this. Join US right now. Seen as chief medical correspondent Dr Sanjay Gupta. Also Dr Lena Win Emergency Room Physician and former health commissioner for the city of Baltimore Sunday. What do you make of the president said today? Is this moving in the right direction And what do you think we need to see more of? Yeah I mean. I think we're definitely moving in the right direction. You know just not even two weeks ago. When has Jim Acosta would just saying The the idea from the White House was this was simply going to go away. And now we're now. We're declaring this a national emergency so I think the public health officials many of whom have been advising the president have sort of seen this coming for a long time. So I think that that's clearly the right direction I think these public private partnerships sort of getting them more organized and codified. I think is important as well. We can't buy back the time though Anderson. No matter how much money this ultimately will free up. It's very hard to get those those days and weeks back. That's that's very critical. There's a couple of things that I think are crucial. And the president sort of talked about this near the very end of the press conference and it goes back to these breathing machines. We've we've talked about. I think it's really important because this idea of having the types of resources to take care of the most critically ill patients. We're not sure we have those enough of those resources right now. He did say that we will buy them. We will buy lots of them That was his quote. That's how he put it so I think that's You know that that's a good sign. Obviously we want to see these things. Come to fruition and you know we'll have to wait and see over the next hours and days. Yeah I mean doctor who knows how you know. Two Weeks Sunjay said two weeks ago the person was saying that there were fifteen cases and They were all getting better and that it was. Just you know this was all going to go away You know two weeks in a fast. Moving pandemic is a lifetime. And you know day after day that you don't do stuff that cost people their lives and potentially spread of this virus the president announcing this new partnership with the Private Sector. He says it would vastly increased accelerator our capacity to test for the corona virus but the trump administration has promised millions of tests becoming available. They've been saying the prison has been saying that the tests anybody wants to can get tested now all of a sudden they have this public private partnership because they're not acknowledging that the testing hasn't worked because it hasn't gotten out into people's hands they're just pretending like they never said it was working now. They're just saying it's GONNA GET BETTER. That's right and it's extremely frustrating to be a clinician or a patient who needs this test. What we really need is a realistic time. Line that the president and public health officials can stick to and say by this time we'll have X. number of tests available and here the patients that were testing now here the patients that will be able to test in time to come because right now clinicians have no idea. I mean we as a society have no idea how many cases are out there of people whom actually have Kobe. Nineteen but just don't know it it's so frustrating and terrifying to be a patient in that situation too and that question was asked by reporter today and the President Essentially said well you know anybody wants to be tested. That that's been happening for a long time. One of the vice president takeover. I listened very carefully. Vice President Answer. I think it was roughly like at least a minute and a half long two minutes long. It was a complete non-answer just stretched over a long period of time. And then he had another doctor come up And to just back him up and what he said and she went into very detailed things about the test itself but again there was no answer to win. Americans can actually get tested. Who Want to be tested or need to be tested. Like there's they have not answered that question and clinicians really need to know because we have patients coming to us saying that they need testing they have symptoms. They're concerned about spreading to their loved ones. And we at least need a timeline in something to tell them other than just. Wait and see. Sandra I WANNA play. The president had with reporters say over his meeting with Brazilian officials who tested positive for the virus split. Dr Fallacy said this morning if you stand next to somebody who tested positive you should self isolate and get a test. You say you're White House. Doctor is telling you something different. Who SHOULD AMERICANS LISTEN TO AND MY second? I think they have to listen to the doctors and I think they shouldn't be jumping to get the test unless it's necessary but I think they have to listen to their doctors and I I mean I don't know I haven't seen the picture somebody said there's a picture with somebody taking a picture with me but I haven't seen it but I can judge even if you don't have symptoms. Are you being selfish by not getting tested and potentially audience? There was going to be tested. Are you going to be a most likely mostly now for that reason? But because I think I will do it anyway Will you let it fairly soon? We're working on that. We're working out a schedule subject. I mean there's the example. The question is is he just lying here again because the idea that his schedule is so busy that he can't get Somebody to give him a task. He has an entire secret service which is designed to protect his life. If they allow pathogen they allow a virus to infect the president and nobody tests him. That just seems like you know security malpractice. Yeah I mean look he this. There's a lot of tough calls in this whole thing but this is not one of them. I mean he should be tested He would fit his own criteria. I mean the CDC's own criteria for having had contact with someone who tested positive for the virus He should probably a made need to be isolated for a period of time. I mean look I think that's the the the point. The reporter was trying to make who asked the question. If he is positive doesn't know it I mean he's he's interacting with a lot of people and he was shaking a lot of hands today even at the lectern. You know I mean If he's passing this virus on knowingly That's obviously that that that's a terrible thing so I think he's got to. He's got to be tested. He said he would I'm like you I'm not sure what the holdup is. Because this is this is of concern here and not just for him for him for for certain but for all the people around him. Do you think this is sunk in with the public to the extent that needs to I mean should should gyms be open. Should people be working out next to each other Should know I was in You know I was out there. Were people not next to each other? Not Within you know well closer than three feet together talking with each other complete strangers on. Subways I mean I is. Is it sinking yet? I think people are realizing how serious this is. It hasn't hit home for most of us. But we do see the charts. We see what's happened in other countries and we know that it's only a matter of time and we're talking about days two weeks before we have tens of thousands of more cases in the US and we have a chance to make a difference individual actions now. Well make a difference and protecting all of us as a society Dr Ward. Thank you very much appreciate it coming up next more and how the country may respond to what the president said today especially in the wake of an Oval Office address this week. That did not reassure Most people the question for our political professionals was today any different. Also in that vein. We'll be joined by former White House. Communications Director Anthony SCARAMUCCI. Greg talk tonight about the president's emergency declaration how it's been received as well as the way. He evaded accountability for the delay in testing saying quote. I don't take responsibility at all. Also the contact. He had with one or more people who since tested positive for the virus. Georgia's now talked about what his answers into understated the public and say about how he continues to coach the crisis and political analysts in your times. White House correspondent Maggie. Haberman broke the story that second mar-a-lago guests who may have come in contact with the president also CNN senior political analyst former presidential adviser. David Gergen cheap political correspondent. Dana Bash so Maggie. Prison trump's been hesitant to acknowledge the the threat. The virus faces certainly. Today he did a big step and declaring a national emergency frees up funds. How much does the announcement help to curb the criticism that he's been facing Anderson? I actually think that it would have gone a much further way. Had he not taken questions at this announcement I think that while he was standing With these officials both health experts and corporate officials who oversee some of the nation's biggest drugstore chains That diluted some of his own credibility problem that he has handed himself with things he has said that have been inaccurate about the number of people who would be sick that things he has said about testing And with his own speech the other night which had inaccuracies in it. But he didn't stop there. He decided to take questions because he likes to be the person who is the last one talking. And it got Contentious at points. He said things that were not true and he claimed to know nothing about and maybe he doesn't About what was done by his former national security John Bolton in folding in The the pandemic or or global disaster section of the NFC into a WMD directorate Whether he knew it or not he should have known it and asking a president. A question like that is not abnormal. He is not the first president to get questions about what happens in their administration and he acts as if it isn't a personal affront. Every time this happens and then there's the other question I just want to make clear here of his health which is he was around this aid. to the Brazilian president over the weekend at Mar a lago and he has said he has not getting tested. He said today maybe maybe he will pro likely he will. I don't know that that means anything He's doing himself actions that that health experts have said people shouldn't do if they've been in contact with somebody who has the corona virus. He was shaking hands. Today he was talking into a microphone that everyone was talking into that is going to raise fresh fresh questions and it should. Yeah Dr Anthony out she. I learned last night. Seventy eight years old. He's a you know a legendary person who's desperately needed right now if he if the president is sick and gets people on the corona virus taskforce sick. I mean that's David you know. That's the concern is not only the point out of the prison. Undermining the his own task force is important. Fact based messaging He's not only undermining it with his own non fact-based misinformation he's undermining with his actual actions shaking hands in front of Cameras Dismissing the idea of attacks. He axes if he doesn't really believe what he's saying that he's only doing it because he's under pressure has to do something But I do think stepping back from this Anderson most Americans do want their president to succeed in a crisis and I think they want Donald trump to do some things and I think he will get some points today for declaring a national emergency making much more funds available. Certainly Wall Street responded well to that he's going to get a lot of points for pushing expanding the tests and if he gets deal done with Pelosi which may be in some trouble tonight he'll get credit for that but if you but a lot of Americans are also going to judge him I think he's teetering on the edge because of the complacency in the past and letting many precious weeks pass without urgent action and and allowing the numbers of people who infected to pre probably go much higher than they would otherwise. But I America's how is it possible that we've only tested just about twenty thousand people and at the same period of time when when Italy was on the front edge of this? I mean South Korea South Korea tested one hundred thousand people in the time. Taken us to do twenty thousand. It's crazy And I do think that Ted. The testing is going to be a real key next two three weeks. My bet is a lot of people think they're going to. It's going to be easy to get these tests. And they're going to be a much more bureaucratic much harder to get sign off than anybody believes. We have doctors here in Boston You know who have are treating patients and we're trying to get them tested and I've heard one case where the two people who had to be They were denied to test having tennis by the bureaucracy because they were in the ICU. That was a repre- requirement to be in the ICU. That's crazy yeah and We saw the president. You know shaking hands over and over again today. Which as you know obviously we all know some the CDC has said do not do Is there any sense within the White House? The president trump has a responsibility to set an example for people. And you know So we all know that. The you know Leaders say he's they don't want to a pastor and chief they're not looking for immoral leader anymore But what about it? Just a you know a scientifically-responsible leader absolutely You know it was only one of the businessmen who kind of had the presence of mind. It's understandable when you're in the Rose Garden it's the president of the United States offering you a spot at the podium putting your hand out. It's hard not to do that. But of course there's a responsibility To not do that and that goes to the whole question that David Gergen knows better than any of us of leadership which is and should be genuinely nonpartisan in time like this and just look at what happened just at the very end of the of the of the trading day with the stock. Market's they did rally because you know there is a yearning for somebody who is showing that that there is a is a grownup in the room. And not only has donald trump until frankly today a little bit with the speech because as Maggie said it was so riddled with errors contradict the very policies that he was saying he put in place. The it's because he has been downplaying and undermining the really grave public health risk. That is here by saying no nothing to see here because he's been so worried about the economy that has made the economy even worse today. You know he made it as if the country is on a war footing bringing together the key member. Some key members of the private sector never mind the members of the medical community and the infectious disease experts that he has been relying on and it was a much much more Calming Event that we've seen before except for the handshaking and the things that they're doing that is not they're not leading by example That was definitely problematic but in terms of the show of force better than before. That's true mega. We're talking about the prisoner saying that That that that he hadn't even know anything about the. White House Office being disbanded And I just WanNa play that again for our viewers. Thank you Mr President Michel Center Pius Newshour. My first question is you said that you don't take responsibility but you did disband the White House pandemic in the officials that were working in that office left this administration abruptly. So what responsibility do you take to that? And the officials that worked in that office said that you that the White House lost valuable time because that office was disbanded. What do you make of that? Well I just think it's a nasty question because what we've done is. Tony had said numerous times that we saved thousands of lives because of the quick closing. And when you say me I didn't do it. We have a group of people I could. I could ask perhaps by administration but I could perhaps ask Tony about that because I don't know anything about it. I mean you say you say we did that. I don't know anything about it so he says he didn't know anything about it still doesn't know anything about as you say you did at Nasty question we just found a moment from a press conference from February twenty six being asked about these very cuts. I WANNA play that card plus the CDC who. You've lost a lot today about how these professionals are absolutely critical necessary. Experience that I'll pause because we we can get money and we can increase staff. We know all the people we know. All the good people is a question. I asked the doctors before Some of the people we cut. They haven't been used for many many years and if they if we have a native we can get him very quickly so seems like he knew something about it on February. Twenty six right I think. He's I think he was defensive about the question. I just want to note very quickly. I think David and Dan are absolutely right that I think everything that they announced on testing was important and a big step forward and on the national emergency. He was getting praise from even people like Bill De Blasio but then he answers the question like the one. You Michel. Synder asked him the way that he did it which was not just to say he didn't know it she was talking about. He got really personal with her and really nasty with her and said something about her. That was just not true about how she left her previous role. She had worked with us at the New York Times where she was loved. And now she's at PBS. When you do something like that it is not when he does things like that often. It is not just you know a momentary blip that everyone should look away from it is how he was answering substantive question about his administration and he chose to make it personal. And I'm sorry but is something that people are going to factor into their reporting and into their assessment of how this event went to say. It's a woman asking him a question and a tough question and he uses the word now relation to women. No this yes that is not that absolutely that is not the first time nasty or rude but on the substance of it. The other thing is that not only was the president asked about it last month. There has been you know report after report a reminder. I should say from members of Congress people who had important jobs like this in the past from real time you know trying to raise the real big concerns about him disbanding it shared Brown for example wrote a letter in two thousand eighteen as soon as it happens saying this is a very big mistake Mr President. You need these people in place in case a pandemic happened and shockingly. He didn't get a response. He's responsible doesn't know anything about it. We we got to leave their mega. Hey David Gergen Dan Bash. Thank you perspective. Necessarily White House insider about what to make for president who claims he doesn't take any responsibility for the central aspect of the crisis on his watch. You heard of the program with President. Trump had to say about his part in managing the corona virus pandemic. It's worth repeating both question. He was asked and his reply Dr Fouled. She said earlier this week. That the lag intesting was in fact a failing. Do you take responsibility for that. And when can you guarantee that every single American who needs a test will be able to have a test? What's the date of that you know? I don't take responsibility at all because we were given a A set of circumstances and we were given rules regulations and specifications from a different time Wasn't meant for this kind of Event with the kind of numbers that we're talking about trump's former White House director. Communications Anthony SCARAMUCCI Anthony. What do you think today did Not only as positive for combating virus. Which is the most important thing but also on the president will definitely took steps to combat the virus. But I think they had a very big failing over the last seven days where the president you know a a sign of leadership. Obviously the buck stops with him. He said twice today that it doesn't stop with him. He doesn't take any responsibility but he did something really bad this week which I think is going to hurt them in November he. A good leader defines the problem directs people to where he wants to take the American public but speaks very honestly to them and so he's had three attempts. I was on your show a few weeks ago. I said that was a trillion dollars. He took another couple of trillion dollars out of the market and then they stayed to that today at three o'clock with everybody on the podium there to try to get the market lifted back up and so it was successful in the short term Anderson But the real colossal mistake is that the American people have lost trust in a maybe the red state voters and people that are watching Fox are going to still hang in there but the average person is looking at what he's doing saying wait a minute can't really trust what he's doing. He's overreacting to the situation without any moral compass or any scientific compass and so I think those things are really going to haunt them. Come November. How did the president's address the nation? How was that allowed to happen by allegedly professionals who are around him in the White House I mean it was disastrous? I mean it did. It did nothing I if you want you know if if the very basic point of that was to you know calm people at least give a sense of what. I got my arms around this. We're working on this. I hear you know I I believe in science and we're going to. We're going to beat this thing. It did none of those things and you could tell from his body language. He knew that that did not go off. Well those were ten disastrous minutes. He's made three really bands sort of speeches but that was by far the worst one and the main the main reason why it was so bad was a combination of his body language. His lack of certainty about what he was saying. And then the last piece which I think really spooks markets and again forget about partisanship or liking the president or dislike and the president just looking at it objectively. I run about ten and a half billion dollars a capital and every time he was speaking he was causing people to get into cash as quickly as possible so again why that happened. We both know why that's happening The people that are surrounding them are afraid of him. He's a little unstable. He acts in this really bellicose way towards his staff and they're you know they're on pins and needles. There's a couple of guys inside that more or less said to me. Hey I you know I'm here. It's better have me here than like Alex Jones or somebody like that and so I'm just going to keep my mouth shut and I'm going to get under the bunker and hope for the best and hopefully I can make some incremental changes year that help the American people but you know the whole place is under siege. And they're making a very big mistake they would be much better off teaming up and having intervention with the president and just saying okay look. It's not going well the way you're handling this. Can we just take a pause in the system? And so that SORTA happened little bit today because he was allowing other people to take the podium but he needs to do way more of that. And we're we're leaving out. The elephant in the room Anderson is that we way behind the curve on surveillance and testing here. Anybody that looks at this situation from public health point of view knows that and he's not telling the truth you could have a hundred million people infected with this disease over the next six to eight weeks. And he's got to be very honest with the American people. Explain how that fans out and how we eventually get immunity and how we can eventually solve the problem. But he's done none of that and I think that's why people are in such a Tomo particularly here in New York City which is one of the hot zones. The you know the one thing you want in a disaster of any kind whether it's a hurricane a you know financial collapse a military takeover. You want to have a sense that there are good people working on it and they They are focused like a laser on it. And that they are telling you the truth and that that is what you know the truth takes on an even greater importance than in normal times. And and that's I think to me personally as a citizen the most worrying thing when you just get a sense that what what they are saying is not what you yourself are seeing in your doctor's office when you try to get a test or whatever it may be you know there's a tweet on the president time leadership in two thousand and thirteen saying quote leadership. Whatever happens. You're responsible. I mean you know. There's a tweet for everything if it doesn't happen you're responsible even says two quick things say may one thousand nine hundred forty when Winston Churchill took over the parliament and I would also say Rudy Giuliani right. After nine eleven in terms of the Compassionate he had and the speeches that he was giving and so you have to rise to that occasion and the president is failing that he's got to be more responsible. He should bring out a Harry. Truman's the buck stops here. Put It on the desk. See if that helps them a little bit Andy Scaramucci appreciate it. Thanks good to talk to you via the early empty streets in many Italian cities are a stark reminder not only physical but the psychological impact of the corona virus. And it's important I think to talk about that for what me and May and let's hope it doesn't but when maybe a head for For American citizens. We're GONNA talk to a Harvard trained psychologist about how this country's reacting to the possibility of scenes like that happening here. Hey everyone poppy harlow here this week on. Cnn's boss fouls podcast we sit down with WNBA. Commissioner Cathy Engelbert. She is the first woman to hold that title. Commissioner of the WNBA moved. It empowers women in professional sports. She opens up about her personal relationship Kobe Bryant and what he and his thirteen year old daughter John Meant for the future of women's basketball. We also get into the tough negotiations. Run the new collective bargaining agreement that has left players higher salaries and paid family. Leave she says players in the League are activists and take a stand on social issues and then wait until you hear the story about her father and why he turned down an opportunity to play in the NBA. Help you can check it out. 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Seems like this seem especially poignant in the entire nation is on lockdown in Italy and it certainly one way of dealing with this crisis facing together joining me. Now is Gretchen Schmeltzer psychologist and author Gretchen. You Right yes. You need to wash your hands and stay home. If you're sick for the biggest work you can do is expand your heart and your mind to see yourself and see. Your family is part of a much bigger community that can have a massive hugely massive impact on the lives of other people. I read your blog post and I just think it's so important key. You just talked to us about about that about the idea of this. Not being about us. It's about US protecting others. The weakest the most vulnerable absolutely. I think when you're talking earlier about Italy in the in the stress. We're all feeling you know it's important to recognize that. Extreme stress has a predictable physiological effect. It makes us narrow our focus. It makes us kind of our smallest selves. And it's really important for us to lower our stress to expand ourselves to our bigger selves. So that we can see the bigger picture so we can remember that. I'm not just an I A we. I'm not just a family. I'm a community. I'm not just an organization I'm a city And it's not in it takes discipline and I think especially in this polarized day and age but also just in regular times know it's only in in wars or disasters or big events that we citizens are called upon to to be better than our regular selves. We're called upon to be to relearn what citizenship is all about. This is one of those opportunities. I think absolutely I grew up with the stories of my grandmother in the Great Depression and hearing how entire families and communities pooled their gas ration tickets so that my grandmother's grandmother could go to her college graduation far away and you know there were times when people stepped up and feel like. I feel like people just needed the permission to to do that. In some ways. I think that we had gotten so engaged in fear over the last week that people weren't looking up they weren't feeling like they could do something it also seems i. Maybe I just spent a little too much on on instagram. But I'm getting sick of watching people sort of make videos in the supermarket. And they're talking about it so chaotic here and and we gotta get stuff and you know. I. I feel like this time for all of us to put down our phones and to sort of if you can't you have to say six to three feet away from somebody But you can still reach out to somebody in different ways and you can reach out to a larger society and I feel like if you're going to post up an instagram. It's not about you and your needs in the midst of this disaster. It should be about you know the doctors who are working around the clock right now whose names we will never know who are trying to save the rest of us By taking care of those who are most vulnerable right. I mean there is a there's a has been and Really was on Tuesday when I wrote this. A real vacuum of leadership about what people can could actually do to be helpful and under stress. You know severe stress also makes us feel helpless and the Antidote. Helplessness is action or agency. But this was a paradoxical situation in that what would feel like doing something. Actually not going to be helpful. We needed people to understand that inaction staying home not going out and taking everything that I'm doing was what can we do? I mean it's starting to happen so I think schools have stopped classes. I think people can stay home. I think that people can Reach OUT TO THE ELDERLY. Who are afraid to go to the food store. I think we can shop local order food from restaurants. That might go out of business. I think that we see you can read books on on video and send them to your nieces and nephews who are out of school I think conversely nieces and nephews can put on a show and tape it and send it to their grandparents who might not be able to leave the house. I think we can get out in nature and go for walks You know this might be a really good time to reconnect with nature in a way that we haven't been able to because we haven't slowed down. Yeah I I I'm GonNa look in ways to do my own life and I just think trying to again focus on that. We are all part of a larger community is very easy to to think of ourselves. Only but that we are part of a larger community beyond just our families and I think that I hope is something we see more of in the coming days. Gretchen Schmeltzer. I'd like to talk to you again. I appreciate your time. Thank you thank you so much Anderson five still going very busy night breaking news. The latest on the corona virus relief legislation that so many people are working waiting for. We'll be right back. Chrissy what he's working on for. Cuomo Primetime Chris. How're you doing So we're going to shift to warm Ode because that's what this is the viruses anatomy and we have to take it on as such a you and I remember you in the audience You so brilliantly. Took them on the journey of what happened in Katrina. That's where we are now so I asked for Russel Honore the general to come on to remind us what we're time looks like how you prepare for this. What we need to do and not do and we're going to do that with the politics political side as well about what's going to happen in Congress and will it be enough all right Good Advice Chris. Look forward to that. Thanks very much just ahead. A deal reached on the virus relief. Bill the lawmakers and the White House has been trying to agree on breaking news this evening on the tense negotiations between House. Democrats and the White House over that Corona Virus Relief Bill that we mentioned the top of the hour moments ago. President Trump tweeted his full support for what he called a compromise and separately. We've learned that a deal has in fact been reached between the White House and lawmakers and vote on. It is expected tonight. It's for us. The news continues on the handover. Chris Cuomo Primetime Chris.

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Jimmy exclude the dock. Druid chocolate orange pastry. Stout those are just four. Words picked out for her one of them being looks tout and free variables lot creative expanded noun phrase. I'm alright listeners. Well you well got three topics to get into today. We're gonna pay homage to the good work. That eight o'clock is doing in the world. That would be steve claw. Scotland manager Scotland qualify an i tournament. I think it was twenty two years from long always but ninety. I was fantastic. Your mega anima. Say a pool harrison. Great friends and big. Listen to the padre. Costa rica and proud scotsman as is absolutely urgent so yet we will be. We'll get to that in part safe Part one and leave pot. Free will get to. It won't get to it Just think hawks listeners parks but one is fundamentally this of side of of the clock spectrum. Double act that. We're going to talk about the s you're sucking of Or the stepping down over resignation of gridlock. The england association chairman earlier this week after essentially racist comments regarding black An ethnic minority people. It's something that just keeps happening in football and these people keep being appointed as don't seem to have the best interests at heart and watch footage is online or audience fee with Adulthood was from december one hundred percent. Show who the the individual series who essentially had to to cool greg cloth. This is the most senior person in english football. He has a cool him on his on the language that he deemed appropriate and greg clock deems that using the term colored people isn't appropriate term. The twenty th th century And it's really kind of goaling that has pointed out and and also the kind of passive at gave afterwards but working in america an adopting those terminologies phrases. It was just kind of car crash stuff in and there is so much tremendous work done by so many superb individuals and yet at the epicenter is is the fa that is supposed to really be the cornerstone of these things and yet it's handling on its policies implemented these policies is it's beyond laughable and essentially. It goes down the puzzles. Where is the true nature of the fa and poor and it's inclusiveness all swollen people who wish to participate in cultural like. Where is the evidence of that. Not only in that chain of people involves a employed but the rollout of that and the connection of. I'll pass across team. Y'all know you've done a lot work on on reading about clocks background. So yeah yeah. I i'm gonna take you back to the actual remarks. It wasn't just racist language. He used a belief believe it was homophobic language that he used as well maybe language but had homophobic connotations language. He used saying that gay. Football is not coming out with a life choice. Now i i completely disbelieve. I think there was a toxic masculinity within football which makes it very very hard for for gay players to come out son in the mail game overseas. he's out asian people in this and that they had different career interests to other other races referred to other races as colored people. Something that you know. How can you not realize that is racist especially with the connotations. They has When you look at the us and coloreds known whites and that was everywhere that would was used to to bond black people from going places from whether it'd be public transport whether it'd be cafes anyway you know. The connotations that has so disrespectful is unbelievable. An also females as well saying that they don't like having the ball hit hard at them now. I'm sorry i play father side. And i playing well i used side and i playing go and i don't like having the ball hit hard me. I'm sorry but i don't. I don't think anyone likes having the ball. Relevance of gender. Greg the experience many times. I mean if you've ever had a bowl your in the cold of winter on an outdoor saw pitch and have the imprint. Now for a week. You know exactly what i'm talking about and i'm sure many of us listen have lose even worse or think is the way that he tried to excuse it saying that. He spent a lot of time in the us and knots. The language that they use for their diversity policies they used the word colored. Now i'm sorry great but that's not only should you the trying to excuse it like but you're the head of a national organization that humped on about equality and diversity for years and years and years. You've this is the man that led the faa's response to bullion and racism relate into any aluko a mark sampson and the response to the historical sexual abuse. And just not point. He was dug out in october. Two thousand and seventeen and criticize boy underwood who was one of the victims in the historic sexual abuse cases for for using humiliating remarks again in front of a dcms committee. Hearing so greg learn from your mistakes. If this is a personal development need you're saying has stems from working in. America stems from a different generation surely recognized that and think we're out today. This is a different time where aggressive national organization. That's the key to the. Fa should be aggressive. And he's just taking it buck thirty forty fifty years by using these remarks. it's ridiculous It's been in that role for four years now as well. Before he was the chairman of the f. o. For six years ten years that we've had a man look this that can use language like this in a row where he should be a champion of a of diverse. It's just unbelievable. And the in two thousand seventeen again called institutional racism in football referred to as fluff and that's a direct quote Well i think the only thing that fluff is what's come out of your mouth. Greg i think is just wrong on so many so many levels and the response to it as well i mean the. The faa released a statement. mark billingham. Who is the ceo of the fa. Now Pointed last august. I believe i don't think the statement and he really was strong enough. He said and i quote some of his words were unacceptable. Well i don't think some of his words. I would say it's wall unacceptable. It's unacceptable to discuss it and use the language that he's used and i think they needed a strong statement in the same statement as well willingham has said an and he's trying to dig up the face and they've reduced the gender pay gap. Well you know kudos to you but war would use it when you can equal it. You know we're talking about equality. And he also said now they have a very small ethnicity pay gap. But what's the very smallest mississippigale bus nearly swore. Then that's ridiculous. There should be no ethnicity pay gap you know males females black white asian. We're all human beings at the end of that. We are all equals. And i'm sorry on ramped in here but it's just really ready really gotten nettie swore again. So i i mean. I don't know what. Jimmy thinks jimmy around because on for for hours on this. It's just disgusted. Ma'am sorry a did wonder when you're going to pass the site bulks iva. You can't describe everything you've said and everything you saw pulled out other a sudden shutdown his look into mr clark and is exactly the same. I think a man in such position should know what language is acceptable. Or isn't hundred. Even nowadays as a friend of epa on facebook the other night about what's wrong with the word colored given the movement departs year however long with black lives matter. It's the ignorance around. The use of that. Word is no longer excusable. The use of ignorant ignorance isn't bliss. It's now because it is. It is everywhere you should be known but the fact that lies say greg clark was the the main figure of the biggest sport in this country and he's still using such language is a disgrace and everything that mark quoted is. He'd been sort of pulled up before for Sexist issues homophobic shoes and so on. I think he'd actually been warned previously about the language that he uses So i think those two thousand seventeen eighteen. Maybe two to three years down the line to turn running sort of make the same mistake again in suicide. He yes because i worked in america yet does not wash but not wash it. I think he's the right thing to walk away before he got kicked away dramatically. What i found frustrating is that greg talk ain't sixty three year old man and his language doesn't seem that east comfortable to discuss and include the word black in his language and it seems that doesn't know what language to use we didn't know what language teams and he should educate himself. I never southall onto. It is so fascinating. Look novel south. Who is poet On twitter but he spoke by. You're talking about wanting to educate yourself about the language of of gender and sexuality and he is very open about his. He was very lack of knowledge about because he wants play. Reposted rolling in aspect and here and he's really opening and a stink one of the things that's frustrating is that are the heat. Greg clock is never asked or somebody's never told him that. Black people and people ethnic diversity don't like the term coloreds and don't let colored because like you said mark. Jim crow bear in america. That terms used to segregate black people and a great ask on bbc Show rayson red card spoke from from the spoke about it and it's it's also something like the turn. The vein turn the pin town. That's come look i think. There's there's been kind of appalled and service thunder. That's the term that the the very term that supposed to represent to represent those people are very nature. those people is like they. it's it's not an appropriate term and an affiliate. Nobody is actually asking people. And the hope is that some cool elliott is just pay an important role in in the And is at the forefront of what can only hope to be an actual genuine dog coach. Is someone who could have exact change. But what i will say. Is that in two thousand sixteen. They won't launching ethnic diversity coats and that doesn't seem to be increased levels of ethnic diversity in coaching frameworks in the In head coaches in had managers in referees they just keep flock reimplementing. It and that doesn't seem to be any evidence In in actual weather is there any any changing in just in a statement. Mount bowling them released as well. The last line In one of the paragraph says we're ensuring that we are able to select the best candidate from diverse talent pool which are welcome but to me suggests that they haven't been doing that previously like yeah. Don't pick yourself up that look. This is what we're gonna do now. You should always been doing that. It's the best person for the job. Like i said it doesn't matter what ethnicity religion gender they are. The best person for that job should get the job and that is someone that recognizes that the fa is not a business because it is not a business and they get in these middle-aged what men to come in and run it like a business people that are from other big businesses like. Where's the social goes of sport. You know in this. Fa that's what it is of got written down here. You think if you think. Not if you think greg who's the previous champion Was seminal in exploring the breakaway and enabling the breakaway ninety. Nine one for the premier league to happen like he. He is one of the foremost players in that moment. Where football essentially change he wanted to monetize it varenne then and this is a man who was the chairman a of of the english. Fa in notorious mun previous chairman was those decisions of bribery among with regards to The well couplets well on an institutional level. She's may greg. Clark step down on the tenth of november the fhm it wasn't then into the twelfth of november. The step down for voice chairman so he two days You know maybe. I should or should step down that jobs. One hundred ninety thousand pound a year job. I couldn't couldn't quite find the salary for the. Fhm lived everywhere. It's just could not find unless you go to the times which is beyond to pay them. So i i am pamphlets arms but uefa the rafer chief. Alexander suffering actually asked greg clark not to stand down from his role as fee for voice chairman now on an institutional level that suggested this massive massive problems that uefa to Go back to the. Nfl got rain down here. The fa is not a business. It's a national institution that should be transparent progressive on infallible and that's more beliefs. And you should. It's not been. He shouldn't be a top down mentality. should be a bomb up and they hop on about over the last few years anyone that's done coaching qualifications and stuff. They hopped on about gr improving graphics facilities. I'm sorry you've not done enough there. They talked by improving the women's game. I'm sorry you've not done enough. That i've spoken to county level development offices and lecture with county level development offices. Wechat they had. Yeah we get given four hundred pound and told run a program based around women's football or run a program based on that for four hundred pounds and this is not just like a one off kind of weak thing go out and horror venue for two hours. This is like a ten week program and they giving you a budget of four hundred pounds. I'm saw level. You need more investment than that. And you mentioned before about about the hawk known about bain coaches and an administrator and stuff like that getting more involved in the game and not very. Tom let you say bane are. That's never comfortably with me is like you say it's almost like well. There's a there's a whole group of society let's just cooling but this name and just is kind of the same is the same to me. The use of what colored is on a human holistic level. You need to find the language the the individuals are comfortable with a generalized term to kind of pigeonhole. Everyone into one size doesn't fit all does it. Not no but yeah. It was great article. I am sorry for pronounce. Surname wrong is bonnie bonnie runner in the guardian road runner. Yeah road and there was one question. He's always on the main. I know one of the lines. Et greg clock satirical comedy and caught him bora blazer today. That's it and we all know how cynical bora bora is made to be a joke. You know greg clocks a real human being. He's not a character but yeah. Let's wrap this up. Because i'm going to get angry in a minute and start swearing again. Let's not do you get yourself a glass. Red will sake of our citizens minute and then combat. That sounds like a plan sounds a condom. Oh at listeners. Breath deep on that one. We'll be back with a positive clock story positive so the stages of the euro's of results of the nation's obviously but this new way of qualification which is meant that free as the tournament's favors free compete that always conform on the big stage with death. Which is a crying. Shame because you kind of want to be in the lower house tournament one of them definitely won't be too the way the taste. Is it worth it. Friendly show many of points in the euros but my favorite support should go. I think that they don't do overtake that. Talk to so welcome cheap. Thirteen of ood At shot just like a positive climax On the fossils like we'll be ambulante about england all into those good siegried Turn turn on I think it was Emesa amount was going on. Which i it was georgia saying that. Just switching and what startling z. Scotland essentially hot It's always comes to this. Scotland doesn't it they have these seminal matches that and if they win they qualify On they always end up losing for the last twenty two years however the joy is Is after go more under an conceded. A go to to take it to extra time. He's from a leaker yovich though not as many as well and they they went out again on penalties for the second time and the absolute horror of all list the delay in celebrate in and having to make sure that kind of penalties are taken appropriately but after defeat in israel in as well in previous round They made it and nothing really exciting time for scottish football and On scottish plays because already do right. Steve clarke has a as a solid manager. Always yes i think. He had great pedigree As a assistant coach authentic remember a panini sticker of fame. Back in the day. Un's he's just developed into you know i know he's only fourteen matches in but for in matches with non games one one draw full loss for gains were home and away legs against russia and home away legs against belgium and think every time you'd say those two teams beat scotland anyway but the important thing is is the results getting in and start to look at the squad guys this like soy in mind. Yeah dragon jimmy off. Just i'm gonna if you're caught a few weeks ago there was the whole Spurs beat chelsea on penalties in usa. And you won the game. And i'm saying no. You drew the game so i just wanted to statistically correct. You say that they've won. Seven under steve. Clark and john on three but of those three two of them they have at the benefit of a penalty. Kick to sort the salt the outcome out. Just let 'em just. Yeah just into your sofa school and let them know. I often drop drop. Drop me an email. And i will send them a strongly worded opinion from myself on such matters. I'm only excited by scotland. I'm i'm jack mom. Do i get my three lines bulldog out here. They they hate us. Do they want sympathy. Oh come on. Genoa tool the heightened. Paul one man jeff most zone. Kittle doesn't mean you have to hate embark vine fraser. He's exciting disney on him bernie. He's at saw in. He's liam cooper griffis. No no no. No no no no. I'll never lakers an exciting. No i'll never have a hacker anyone me. Ao says or late double against cruelty one year when we won the and we lost two one league really griffis can disappear. They get knocked out and beaten. We can offer them coming home early again. This really isn't how awful this game own i say. Can i just say i'll players written down as well. Because i was excited of andy rolex liam cougar's got oliver john mccain hearing teeny ryan fraser only mcburney robots no grass stuart armstrong for its own crossing the primarily. I'll slow drowsy scored player decent squad plan. We're not trying to not championship. Hey mark conduct. They've done the international version of the audio in the championship. Playoff to the european championships. So yeah won't game the championship now gets to the euro that's it. He's like one of those it gets you into the primarily. It doesn't get gate come. Andrew robinson given signed an unlucky marks lean. Tepa that's like come on does like an exciting defense. Come on okay. okay. Letting the love. Let me put winston moi more my dog away and let's go to own and nothing else. They are very exciting group of players. And i'm very pleased that they are there The more exposure full players he playing in the premier league and championship of that will that will feed into. They say. it's very good for game. And i'm very pleased for it. I just want to say. How good was tommy's penalty night as he walked up. This is going over now. Low to the keepers. Roy roy in the corner very impressed. That was just all from business. You love it. Tv choice oh did hard to suppress that glaswegian accent israel allow allow. Let it all out. Scotland have the the sheriff lott just in a in net manages the last couple of years of just in various ways just not achieved an not my support through in any way shape or form and clark was appointed a think. Look eight pool of las. Ta and a finger at really good Campaign with camman and think what you were saying jimmy about exposures think on the flip side like the the crop. Scottish managers in the mix of conic manages in scotland is is probably stronger than it has been for a good while And seek lot was part that so fundamentally they play with but fat free with three full free four three three four one to kind of have the luxury of having andrew robertson and kieran tierney on claims Gluck court noise And mcginn playing along. So it's You know some roy fraser and on i just think like is not that. Wanna look at it. If you could have their full team. I think they could give a lot teams kind of a decent in in these one off situations where he took him out tournament football. I i think that can cause some shocks next year. I'm gonna give shouts. Pool is a pool howson We he said like defensively them. Look as sound as as essentially that ninety. Six crop of of the applies colin hendry. Yeah lot quality And hopefully You know they can. They can do something in the in the championship next year and unlike route boys fun on it would love that. Mark is it wembley's when the england. B scotland it is Is is is it ought already hope they bring gascoyne out pre-game as the guest of honor just a ribs so in the wind. Yeah it'd be interested in it. Be interested in away from the. I wasn't was not thinking i was. I was like less shadow love. I'm sure you might paulo take it on the chin easiest to and i'm sure he could dish it out to us as well. I'm sure it probably will really was a lovely vestige after this. I'm sure for sure for sure. Group gripes with the greeks now finished Shrimp quick run three degrees. Just really really. Super quiet day repay is italy. Switzerland turkey wales a groupie belgium denmark finland russia. Group see australia. Netherlands north macedonia ukraine Group d croatia czech republic england and scotland group e poland slovakia spain and sweden group f. france germany hungary and portugal which i think has been given the group of death seal of approval group off the in group of so. Yeah i think it's pretty exciting in Of roy is not. It's nice that all the the for new Filled now so we can via get excited about the mix and whatnot but yeah that pass all looking forward to that one and i think if we win our group we get the runner up in that group. I love that you've already broken down. Jimmy i think we wanna come second because then we get the runner up a group which will probably poland sweden slovakia. Ooh wow. I read that right. I probably that right jimmy. Take it for. They'll take your time mutations further. Our next in jimmy's european championship. What happens what happens next. They all get given cans of chocolate orange. Pastry style would be good night. You're going to take his through. Although i i'll tell you a little story back it was well cups. He thousand and to all the games Early mornings on you and all used to do very early morning shift in a in a in a street stool and i actually worked out the permutations of every england game where they came in their group in the fiction. Coulda done and i've booked all those mornings off around the same time. Most doing university exams claiming had an exam. So i got to watch every singling gang. Jimmy love the up. And i think most of our games during the day at the moment there the weekend and if during the week they all the evening kickoffs so i don't need to be pulling such strikes this time. I'm just double gin. This was before you had a family year. Because obviously you won't be able to do that. These days yeah yeah and it can lead couple of years got just right. You confess to something that must be weighing heavily on you. Will these years. Yeah you probably know. He's probably like our jove. Can you feel like jimmy shift. He can't do because he's got an exam while we're playing brazil and siemens getting locked over four yard. Run out dania. Yeah that's all actually genoa's just always in. I wasn't Wasn't than tongkah's always in a apartment in san francisco watching not go Also traveling in local hostile. And yeah just the hora arkham very vividly. What should not just keep floating him anyway. Let alone in san francisco always in a friend's house in flipped. And so i'm going now see later. So roy is. Robbie will wherever you mark where. We can't even remember from a genuine commendable. I i just being polite probably hung over in a so so much. Thank you guys. We've we've turned into england so a dip listeners. Omic saw it about scotland's. I don't think it's fantastic. That they qualified Anti robertson will be locked top scorer. The championships will tofte sister. Alima bernie four goals top-scorer miroslav place a tiny european championships ironed. Alright listeners can offer break You have to get in that a pot three will become up on. He's thought long and hard about parks. We're going to be discussing the park saying who's thought i'd be saying next selma after twenty three year week. Craig brown will no longer be referred to as the last man to lead scotland to a major championship. It's been exactly eight thousand one hundred seventy eight. After a french name. It campaign ended. The pin is over after an agonizing nate of twists and turns scotland back in the bacterium combined caught three of the saw new parks of of your sunday. Daytime take football really alright. Arcane across this topic that will come a new dog after discussion with mark about parks take dogs to all wonders is the best park in football so So this yeah we just chat the best park so really. Very important is queens park queens park. The scottish football team older scotch. Fourteen in scotland and i believe The only scotch team to have also played in the fa cup final Achieving this feat in eighteen eighty four and eighteen eighty five. So i'm off the bat aspirated. Shout and there's also just going to throw some into the make some passer aver party Superb south korean midfield dynamo canard jumping on him as roads. Kamar quit jumping on footage. The fact that when he stopped playing professional football he went to university. Played in university team. Like no way yeah like. He was playing university football. That was fantastic. You need you like literally for a frenchman football career going to a and someone set in hell. Yeah but was playing university football for three years for his degree. How cool is i. Imagine going to university anything in almo- track for the party seven next year you've been up. This is co according today just legend. I'm also loves the fact Mammoth taylor didn't and pay them for some really derogatory comment like you're not footballer. He just like run around and stuff because he he just had boundless energy didn't he Yeah so that's another shout Design might wanna drop some in because list here. Look it is difficult man because there's ranges whether to james's punks but of debate over there last houston james's parks because it cash not ruined one of them is one of them like not now like the sports director. Rian or something but I think he as it back in the other one. That's not worth talking about. Are kind of remember replays. James's pockets die relevant listeners essays but interestingly out of the out of the four southwest professional clubs and we'll we'll count talk because they still cost himself as professional even that probably not and i have worked. That's where we should send three of them have fox. We got some changes part with go home. Park on a hop is as the training ground for go. I can never pronounce this huish park because it who is you hewish pot. Yeah yeovil and then talk as i said. It's just plain mourners. Bit playing also gonna shout out police say paw park parkway yes a great parkway's homepage his lovely little ground to be like right in fade shout out to parkway. They're doing good things down there. Yeah well yeah you can have all of them. All of them need to go into the mix they will go into however us has bigger this bigger hawks in that there is composed hamden pau show but more net. Shout is is debatable. And i'm gonna. I'm gonna have to try and get this past year because it doesn't go park in the tokyo but it is backed onto leave olympic park in london and there was a nine hundred and ninety seven starring art continent. Am roy david steven roby fowler to the song parklife by blah harkening marshes man. Eighty no eighty eight so source but book pitches is represented in annoyed cats. Like how is that. Not the best foot will park there is. I'm with you when we're talking about big. Poke the first thing or four. Was hunting him martius and as josephine that no less gang up gang up their hat off his main. You can gang up as much as one but there's no word parking it. It's got nothing to d of wash duck technique. You know so. Why don't we do marshes when we do. He's the best marsh rodney marsh and mc mashes and mike. Marsh would you allow marshals. Would david we marsh at martian it. It's not like sunday park football. I'm jenny with just a great show. Jim if you look if you look at google maps it bucks onto the olympic park. You love the fact that i was just trying to discover least hanjin already convinced into me going jim. Oh i miss the floyd. Jim half fought never called in our struggle. Getting idea of the scale of it. Because in google maps they did not have the football pitch markings but they did have like six or seven cricket pitches that and they would just dwarfed by the size of it. So i know. You're a cricket lever. Jim so i must say. There is a superb old pitcher a identify prewar something of hackney marshes and all of the football pitches owner. And it's just it is insane is insane but you're not allowed do well alternate. Mark is a good argument at the end. It's very it's a lovely link with park life. So let's let's just park it Because there is other there's a value in this because all she thinks maybe Come in and done. Because i really love your parking. The bus. it's hot pockets us. Sorry i forgot to get rid of the of the yeah party. Bus feel welcome in an extended. English lesson expanded noun phrases person Yeah part the process of fulltime isn't it and is determined that as like this wasn't always in our english football vocab but of around for for our long joseph arrives. I think it kind of arrived at him did he. Referenced it against spurs. When jackson was manager which was we. It's very strange moment. But yeah Specify chelsea and accused used time then my favorite. We've joe's action. Why why love this is is a few years ago. I chelsea west ham. When allardyce was there and i can get finishing their nail and someone. They're big sam any any parked a part. They double decker and chelsea. At nothing and josie go into the press conference afterwards unjust wind and moaned. Did what you did about. Sam and then sam came into the press conference and they told him and semis just sat there laughing and i just not see why parked. The bus is brilliant. Just to see saimaa. Sit there laughing. Josie wenjun s great for. It's a big who term. I wonder if other countries the beauty of like especially football is the language of just to pass around. We all have our terminologies for skills and traits data their data. But i wonder if the countries have turned to caulking the bus now the actual conserve reference for the way I love it really love it. i'm okay well. What about queens park rangers guys because And they gave us. Les ferdinand dismissed and charleston. Class and rodney marsh to go back to malta in class. I'm not new marshy. of course. Were they never argument from office of included. And ill holloway. A mommy's gonna talk all which is right then. Paul complete pockets on home. Park and victoria. Poke links everywhere. I must say The the reason nothing keep a sweet spot is because that nineteen and collecting the panini stickers on a beautiful shirts Was i dunno. Just they were like a hipster team. Weren't they of the hips the team with the nineties. Trevor sinclair overhead kick sinclair overhead. Kick is playing for. Kyo kevin gallacher into my veins. Kevin gallo i'm dmp left on the donny madikwe quality coal ready love him. Love him love him are we. Just keep saying his name's now john stay scout. Now that was a goalie. Full novella. But yeah i know i just think saleh's took get now special guy's name. Do you know what it's on him. Things are let's see so less Involved more in india league decisions yet lot. I think that's the person who actually learning his craft a he seems to be very invested in. Keep your and wasn't he some woman involved in amano. I saw an article. Actually just jumping back to that. Saying that less fernandez has been suggested as a someone be involved in the faa. But yeah. but i don't think he's interested. Look i never show it to you last night. Joe but you know my foreign pronounciation is horrendous. So i'm just gonna put it in the chat. One of you guys can read out because all that the trip over but home of the east india tea company wherever jack refers to i was home of them. Yeah yeah. psg the park. Oh that's lovely very lovely. That was almost sexual that we have which is a my -nificant that is the one park that we've mentioned where you see the best players on show currently anyway covered me unless hackney marshes has got some absolute humdinger of some players down. There is being relocated. rape paula. caller turns found again romford. Pele rumford pilot. He loves it down. Why are you turn out tonight. There's a few ex pros going down that plan. Sunday league football crack man of a lover. I think content. You watching turnout. You've week Every separa- ever yeah left wing brilliant. But if you've got say though germany's properly hackney moscow with the best part. Although well on just i just until capacity here on the park the prins forty seven thousand which essentially got as well as going to maybe disliked it. Because it's not very big stadium. Capacity of hackney marshes might low three hundred and thirty six point one acre so many people together. We socially distanced redoing our lockdown. Oh very 'cause i'm racking. Jimmy could probably quickly luck. Break down a hit me yet. Look just a quick just a quick one call a pot come into. It does not have special memory. See you guys playing football on no-one. Vicky parkin toyo park of got more more memories of victoria. Poke much not jimmy. How of course it was about tackle. It must hold memories for you. Joe probably probably beating you down those that which is york again. Who ring also interesting is completely. You bring up because i was looking at a photo The other week and it was me when i was younger. My dad's team metastasis to play for in the devon wednesday. I was in the end of the team photo. And i thought pets and it was devonport park. I was like oh cool. So cut cool. Remember the remember being taken. 'cause i was very must have been about six seven bars. At noah reliable mass. Yeah listen essentially. Mark mark played for like Montlake for the look. Real madrid's of under eleven's twelve and continual more Football teams clements. Lock during the arena. He's an all played for decent team but wasn't as good as marx. And we've got whoops loads But yeah thanks at mark So it's not going be happening marshes that pulled pocket some good memories surely agree that No shots Was sent you talk which I haven't been and the same room as a as a scout southgate speech. Trying loads and loads of of white wine coaches have really liked white wine so lived to be fair. That is the only way you can get for. Gareth southgate's speech yeah. I saw if i'm honest shorts. Three two hundred Who got really drunk and right. Paula was there and arabic Cutlass couple more pros and Yeah john listened to it but another one it says much day and undercut the next day before everyone else underwent and sat in the dugout of the training of england's first team training pitch free fuji out train. Pitch was just pretending to be look just like why can my finger do moves but when high does that for a so. Let's let's get this right. Did this really happen. Because this sounds like a dream and and the move you would just put an during the ymca. So what you're saying. Is you got pissed. Very parlor then went to the england. Doug alvin the ymca. Well i didn't get. They will several stop that charleston. But yeah we will for For thought teams who are not affiliated church in. That's the overnight. Had lots of talks noise place in football in the indoor forty training area and And then yeah yes. Southgate was that and few others on the apron. Lovely gave no speech But we didn't we weren't last question. The region probably roy annually ought about. Yeah what was five. And so it probably wasn't. It could say excuse me mrs just a yes yes. How good is mason. Mt but yeah. It didn't happen and it kind of happened. 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No-man's i'm because it is almost like that no man's land between the two trenches so so good. I'm just wondering one thing that worries that. If we decide on get it and then appetite decided to build. On sunday coffin it ceases to become stanley park we've given it saami called for no reason that we we just. We just got caveat. That is as of now whereas hackney marshes always disclaimer. Yeah you're right now they're not. I'm i'm tempted goes to To thirty nine now of of weakens speak made a good argument like heightened washes. I think it's a good show. It just doesn't have park in it. Is it a park. Cosa is is. Well what would they put the song potluck to it. Was it called the marsh then because it used to be a march does not mosh anymore now. They drained it technically a park now. But it's just a marching the name. Can we ask them to change it to hackney parks. I've already done email this afternoon. Because i knew about it all right. Well let's give it hackney marshes. 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The Negotiation w/ David Denman

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The Negotiation w/ David Denman

"Distracted driving is a serious problem on our roadways leading to the deaths of thousands of people and injuries. In the hundreds of thousands each year, it's important to know that forty eight states banned texting and driving. So distracted drivers are not only putting people at risk they're breaking the law. It's dangerous to use your cell phone behind the wheel. That's why law enforcement officers, right tickets and enforce anti texting and driving laws is on the road hands on the wheel and mind on driving. Remember you drive your text, you pay brought you by Nitsa. I'm Jenna Fischer and I'm Angela Kinsey we're on the office together and we're best friends, and now we're doing the ultimate office rewatch podcast just for you each week we will break down and episode of the Office and exclusive behind the scene stories that only two people who were there can tell you where the office ladies. Hello Angela. Lady. It's very good to see your face today same I feel the same way. Oh, I said lady right out of the Gate Jinnah some people love The lady and some people don't love the lady. I WANNA. Get a t shirt that just says lady. Lead. Right what are we talking about today? Today? We are talking about season three episode eighteen, the negotiation. it was written by Mike sure and directed by Jeff. Blitz goes or two powerhouses of comedy. Yes. This is a good team. Here is a summary angered by Pam's confession that she and Jim shared a kiss. Roy. TRIES TO ATTACK JIM in the office. I mean right out of the gate. That's the first scene everybody. Yeah. Jim Is spared by Dwight's quick thinking AK pepper spray. Roy is fired and Darryl tries to leverage it into a raise. But upon hearing how little Michael Makes at his Job Daryl Toby and Michael Drive to corporate. So Michael Ask for his own raise. Roy Takes Pam out for coffee to apologize and they break it off for good. This is it no more PAM and Roy guys. And then at the end of the show. Jim Catches Dwight and Angela Kissing in the. Office. It's a lot fastback number one. This episode was a super sized episode of the Office and as a result Angela I think am I, right there are no deleted scenes for this episode. There are none on the DVD's now I don't know if there's some secret NBC archive somewhere but there aren't any that we know of I. Think we used at all it's all in there guys. Now here's a little bit of a fact. This is a fact within a fact I was going to a little bit of fact what's happening this episode like I said was written by Mike sure who was nominated for an Emmy Award for writing this episode. He should've won did he win? He did not Do he lost to Greg Daniels who won for Gay Witch Hunt? Okay Okay Okay You're all right with that. You're like. The one. Keep it in the family. That's right. Right. Well, that was fun. All right. Well, now I'm GonNa give you fast act number two. In this episode, you remember Michael Says that he got tips on how to negotiate from wikipedia. Yes. and. Some of the stuff that he says that he found on wikipedia stuff like you have to suddenly change the location or refuse to talk I. Yes. Well. We had a fan question from Brianna. Zooey Yang. Charlie, Altman shake quiz and Jeremy Sharp. They. All asked were the interview tips that Michael was using actually from wikipedia or did the writers make them up? Okay. None of that stuff was on Wikipedia for real. The. Just made that up. Yeah, I are denied did a mini deep dive on the art of negotiation for the episode and I can confirm because I went to the actual wikipedia page for negotiating and those are not on there. Will you know after this episode aired there was a major stir. Really, fans started going onto the negotiation page of Wikipedia and they started changing it to reflect Michael's advice. Ha That's awesome. I mean, not every don't don't be hackers guys, but that's funny. and. The administrators wikipedia had to put the page in I. Guess What is called? Semi protection mode. And that women who's allowed to edit a page. So any user that had an account that was less than four days old. Or anyone who is trying to put a post up as anonymous were forbidden. And, then they had other administrators who would go in and delete. All of the fake negotiation advice that was just Michael Scott. Oh my goodness you guy. But it was a whole thing. They were like articles written about in USA Today. Oh. Wow. Yeah. It caused a stir stirring it up office fans I'm going through these quickly Angela because we have some exciting news part of fastback number three. Yes. This episode marks the return of Ed Helms as Andy Bernard. But it also marks the last regular appearance of Roy played by David Denman. Now, Roy will continue to come back now and then, but this really officially ends the Pama. Relationship. And we felt like we had to mark this occasion talking to right himself. David. Denman and we had so much fun talking to him Sam. Can you play that interview? David Denman hello welcome to office ladies. Ladies Hey David. It's so good to see you long. It's been a long time. It has well David. We always like to start by asking our guests how they came to be on the show now. My buddy who is an actor friend of mine in New York he watched the British office he called me and said. Dude you've gotTA. Watch the show. It's amazing. YOU'RE GONNA, love it. There's nothing like it on TV and I hear they're doing an American version you gotta try to get in on that I watched it and I was like, Oh, my God this is genius and there was you know a couple of guys my age on the show and I called my agent I was like, Hey, I, hear they're doing an American version of the office. He Goes Yeah Yeah Lego I'd love to get in on that. He goes you really. WanNa do you like? Oh Yeah you machine. They're looking for Improv COMEDIANS and I'm like You know I went to juilliard. I did study Improv along with Shakespeare and many other things. It's not just because I didn't go to. You know. Or whatever it doesn't mean I don't have an interest in that and don't have that Mitchell boxing as well. Okay. So be called over all departure cast except for Roy and so I said Yeah I'd love to clip. that. Little thing. Changed my career. We'll David. I remember that you were one of the very, very first people cast you were at our. Original table read that Angela was not even at they hadn't even filled out the rest of the office it was just. Steve John Rain bj. Me Phyllis and you. That's who was that the first table read and I remember Alison Jones brought her polaroid. Camera. And she took a polaroid picture for each of us because she said, that's a tradition of hers at table reads for actors at their for their first series. Do you still have yours I? Remember it slightly different. I know she brought the Polaroid camera and she took a picture for herself that she did on every table Rita per per show and you said I wanNA those. Another one and gave it to you. I don't think anyone else has any of those photos besides those two. Okay. That that sounds like me. Thank you? David. Because genetic has talked about this and thank you for sending that straight. That explains why no one else house one bit me. Yeah. Maybe, you should stop asking that question John? To the original table read people Oh my Gosh David I just remember meeting you and being so excited and we had that theater connection because I also got a theater degree I just liked to immediately. I immediately like to we definitely hit it off. It was what was fun about that show in the beginning was the you? Is We're all stuck in the office. For hours and hours and hours, and usually when you feel mysterious, it's like I will shoot that saying and then we'll go shoot that scene because the way they fell this with. Documentary style with a with the camera across the whole office, they needed everyone to sit in the background all day. Long you guys would always be losing your mind by the time I showed up on said like There's a new person high and a you were very enthusiastic every time I got there and I was very grateful for you know. So yeah, we definitely hit it off idea remember Jenner coming to set though and being like guess what I did this weekend I was like what and she's like I played poker with David. happening. Hanging out you're playing poker in someone's garage like. Was this whole other life I need to get in on I know you never learned Poker Angela you missed out on a lot. Well, you wouldn't want me at your poker table. I mean one time I played with and I had like a pair of threes and I thought I could win the whole thing but I guess that's not you know I don't know I'm not good at well for playing for real money, we would want you at our poker table. No you wouldn't because I am the person that's like all in in everyone's like wait what's happening? I remember that like in rains garage leg, and here we are a little poker table. But I remember I took down a big pot opposite huge once and you lost your mind. Could not believe that I that I had beach you. In that hand I, don't think I ever one another hand against you but that one just set the time you were just so limited that I. Remember that. I Feel like I would often get dramatic when I lost wasn't expecting it. So David Gentleman I have talked a little bit how we give our characters back stories like I would give Angela Martin reasons why she would react one way and has shared her pam back story and what was your take on Roy and Pam did you invent a backstory for their relationship and for Roy? Yeah, I definitely have backstory but I just you know I assumed that these guys met in high school they started dating and you know they just kind of fell into this. you know this dynamic where neither one of them. Well definitely anything ROY WANTED TO GET MARRIED initially I think it was just like Oh this'll be shows to do next. We're supposed to do next and it wasn't until years later that like. You know when he? Was GonNA lose Pam that like he was like, Oh, I actually care about this person have after put some work into this in you know with any relationship you have to. Put some effort into it I. Don't think Italy Roy. Had ever thought about that until it was too late and is a school with a button with some late. Couple of meat heads, I, sort of. fashioned. This guy after me. I'm going to say who they were but That's kind of where I saw Roy, and so I thought at the time I was like this will be a great way to make fun of those guys and then the next thing on playing these parts for the rest of my life. That's not as unfairly, but well, it's so funny because you I mean like knowing you, you're such like more of like an intellectual creative. Right, you appreciate the. You're an outdoorsman though like that part of Roy fits you. I. Think like I mean Roy is jet skiing, but you know you like the outdoors and stuff. I do I do like the outdoors I. Mean I go I go out back and stuff like that. I don't know if Roy's snus that he's more like Oh. Let's get my RV In my jet ski in like hanging out drinks beers. Yeah, and and that's his that's his outdoorsman. Right? He's going to load up a four wheeler with a bunch of Beers. Bad choices in the woods. Yeah. Well David I totally relate to how you can kind of fall into a casting rut because I just did an interview yesterday and the person interviewing me said so Angela, you often played the he'll. You're kind of a he'll in everything and I was like. Yes I I have sort of made away playing the bitch or the Weirdo. Might. A is hard for people to see you outside of that box. Once you're in it and and then like the success of the show is just continued on and on and on and on, which is fantastic. It's more popular now than it ever was and you know if you're lucky enough to be part of something that like. People enjoy and get into. That's exciting. But when to be part of something that gets into the culture of. That is so rare in. So impossible to be a part of that. I'm constantly grateful every day that I got to be. A little part part of the show 'cause. That's you know very, very, very rare. So David at the beginning of season three. You came back to work and you were like Super Fit we all noticed was this because you had done a movie role over the summer and they rode into the plot or did gray get you aside and tell you this idea. That Roy should come back and be all like excited to win Pam back and you sort of transformed for the show has offered the show but it was it was a conversation. With Greg I wouldn't say Greg said hey go get in shape. But he did say. He didn't take me aside and said Hey I want. I got the I'd like to make you more of a rival. Gyms next season I said really it goes. Yeah I said. How we're GONNA do that. We've really made this guy such a knucklehead i. how anyone's GonNa rip through rule any goes well, I think I think I think you can do something and make it work when we can also. You know right. So we give him that opportunity and. As I said okay. I said well I promise. You get into shape then goes okay if you want to and one of our camera operators who became director in our Buddy Matt sewed. he was like the triathlon and I was like, are you out of your mind? I'm not doing a triathlon I don't even I barely run I mean. He. was like you do I'm telling you can do it I'm like, no no, that's never gonNA happen I mean I I I played water polo at high school for like my freshman year songs a pretty good swimmer. I was all worried about that. But I I had ever been on a bike can use like. Guys get you a bike and like we should you should just do it and you know it was like that conversation with grades idea of trying to make you know Roy Moore of arrival just kind of put it all into motion. So I started training for the mouth the triathlon. Which I ended up doing ten I did that for like ten years I think Every year in so many other people from the office got joined in on that I. Don't know if you if either of you guys ever did never did it but I remember this David I remember a bunch of the guys on the crew and some of the women as well. Teri. Weinberg Right Teri. Weinberg. So fit. She really went all out. I, see her up there every year she still doesn't come back with photos and it was incredible. Yeah and it was always the same weekend as the emmys which take. People are to go to the travelers in the morning and then go change going is this was hilarious to me like I would have loved to have done that David but Angela doesn't think I have the athleticism. Of that's not true at all. Thank. Fate loud and clear for the office ladies audience please. I need to hear your support for this argument. Okay. First of all, do you have to remember this? And I hate to put you on point but remember the year that Jenner decided to get into shape. and was like she was like I'm doing I am doing it and I'm good for you and she was on the cover of shape magazine Bikini. And she looked. She looked Colonel David here is what I'm saying to you. My argument is not that Jenna cannot get into shape when she wants to get into shape. The woman is hard core. You know she also made a mix tape sounds of Scranton. She wrote a three page document about the background of Pam. She wants to get into shape by God. She gets in shape might could do a cart will in a backflip and throw a grenade in the air, and then jump on a rope and swing across the parking lot. I've seen her carry guitar through an airport. David. I saw her try to get a guitar on a plane. Okay look I stand corrected in regards to to getting a guitar and a plane or doing a backflip to parking lot swing on a rope and I. Don't know like she going to be the next Laura Croft probably probably not. This this is my place we can do triathlon. That's all. I listen I didn't say she couldn't do a triathlon Jenna jumped to give me shade and try to on her side I could do a triathlon whatever I think she'd be the team leader she'd everyone on a schedule. No doubt line. Whatever? Lord South. We got some south happening while I have a question. Okay. This interview I'm. David in general, do you have any favorite scenes from your time on the show anything? You just loved for any reason? I do have a loan that I remember specifically, but it wasn't anything that was on camera. It was we were shooting the Booze cruise episode. It was a long night and the next morning like we as wrapping, they had a upon tune boats and NC in I jumped in the pontoon boat and we delays through Long Beach Harbor as the sun was coming up and it was like was awesome and I just for some reason remember that moment of my time on that show more than anything else. that. Will David I. Just want to get your take on the whole angeline Roy thing because there's a lot of people online there's like a reddit thread that Roy were having some secret love affair. We talked to Greg about it greg was like I maybe he had stayed on the show longer but Nah I don't think so but but we could see where Roy would appeal to Angeles sort of this big gallant fella I remember that like who would you do? I think I think Roy was like She's hot enough I don't I. Don't like Greg, said I think if he'd been on the show if I've been on the show longer that would've been a a a fun you know. Twist through in there to just create conflict. How much fun would it have been to revenge date Angela in front of Peo? Hundred percent that would have been. Shouldn't totally been into that. into. That too I'm sure. That would have been funny. Well David, you got to have a lot of scenes with Craig Robinson you sort of mentioned that. We spent a lot of time in the office, but you got to do all those warehouse scenes and oftentimes the two of you were paired up do you have any stories from working with Craig or what that was like? Dude. Like like you. I got along with him really well, and we hung out outside of work the credits at the beginning an honest trying to get him to do. The triathlon, which he was not into but we all did almost a muddy buddy which is this like. Crazy race where you like going in this obstacle course like. You get. I mean literally you like you do it with a partner or multiple people and you help each other like climb across his obstacle courses you go through mud, you get electrocuted like it's the most insanely Kiwi did. Why I Feel. Like a Frat hazing. It's it horrible and I did at once never ever do it again. But anyone who's ever participated. They know there's this one obstacles for you have to crawl on the ground on your through the mud and they have these hanging like. Like, electric light currents that like once they touch your body Zap you. Like, it's to keep you del low. But when you're as big as I am you just get zapped over and over and over again, it was the worst thing ever. Crying. Length. We talked about it all the time we get. We're. Possibly, going to do that. Maybe. He was just being nice missing maybe think about. I. Went. Totally kidding you. Yeah. Man that sounds like a great idea. Blah Blah. Love that my fantasy that Craig and I would have done this. Interest together now to older we do. Not Do it twenty years ago. Now on this episode, David, we have this scene at the Hungry Fox diner and it's kind of Pam and Roy's last big scene together for awhile because you do come back and we have another kind of heart to hurt it later but this ends it for a while. An IRA member shooting this scene with you and feeling kind of emotional because. I knew that your regular time on the office was ending. Do you have any memories from that? Did Greg Talk to you about that I'll tell you like when I when I found out we dinner table read and write than Craig up the phone call right before that you guys law got picked for two more. Or maybe it was three seasons I don't know how many seasons was at that point but everyone was like, oh, my God. Is. Sitting right next to Greg Attorney to greg ago. I'M NOT COMING BACK? A goes. Now, he goes, but it's not you I just gotTa. Get. Romeo and Juliet together. And just don't feel like I can do that with you here and but I don't WanNa kill you off what you to come back and I said I get it and the coolest thing ever was like I said would be okay for me to do like a you know a pilot or something because it was right at the beginning of the season. He goes he I think that would be okay and you know oftentimes because they don't want people to know something's not going to happen they won't let you do that like you're under contract. So they're not going to allow you to do another show, and so he was very gracious to let me do that and I am getting this really great pilot that A. Going, but it was a it was a big for me and definitely. Changed the trajectory of my career. Shortly after that, we did shoot this episode I. Knew that I was leaving the show and I was definitely emotional for me to it because we become really good friends you know and I and we. You know. I just knew that like it was it was coming to an end. We did stay friends afterwards, but we didn't see each other as often you're working in Najaf doing things in you know you just end up becoming friends with the people you're working with. That's just the way life goes on these on these shows. But yeah, it was definitely emotional because I definitely felt like you know I this casted, you know you become a family. So yeah, it was definitely emotional for me. Issue Essay. David, did you take anything from set when you wrapped? Do you have a memento? Dope, but I have have. You guys remember this but like. The jacket that all of the warehouse wears was my jacket that I auditioned with now? There was a bought his jacket from old navy and I were to my audition and. Greg said I want that jacket? Where does that jacket and it's Kinda looks like Jackie but it wasn't. It was this like you know like warehouse jacket at Old Navy made in so poor costumes had call old navy the called meter like weren't you that jacket I have to get because Greg says everyone has to wear that. So they bought every every you know every. Thing, they could get in stock of old babies a jacket so I have that original jacket. Aware it anymore, I haven't somewhere. Can you imagine if you put that jacket on in Jena the two of you met for lunch just Like geno with her hair half up half down people do. Well David. Thank you so much. Really really good to see you and reminisce will David, what are you up to now that we can talk about here Well finish this awhile ago that got pushed because coded but I did this movie greenland that's out with jeered Butler Marina Bacharuddin that I think will be in theaters by the time this. Airs it's like a disaster movie a play. Really really fun. Character I will say anything about it And I'm doing this series called mayor of east tone with Kate winslet's that we were in the middle of filming than it's. David. As, INC, she's awesome. It's great. Well, I'm so excited for you. Kate winslet is one of my idols. So can we please go out for drinks when you get back, I will be happy to do the of love to get drinks before David. Thank you. Thank you so much. So wonderful to see you and I can't wait to see all the things that you're up to they sound. So wonderful. Thank you guys so good to see you. Thanks David. 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So if you want your team to be more effective than ever visit Monday dot Com for your free two week trial, that's Monday dot Com for your free two week trial. Angela that was so great getting to talk to David I know we're just having the best time getting to see everyone from the show but lady, are you ready to tackle this episode because a lot happens Oh and it happens fast guys this episode opens with Roy, pacing outside in the parking lot. It's kind of like he's waiting I think for Jim to come out of the building, but JIM's not coming out of the building. Yeah it's the end of the day in. Jim and Karen are kind of. Their flirting kind of making their plans, but they're going to do and Roy gets tired of waiting in the parking lot and he comes on up inside. Yeah. He just he bursts in he yells for Jim. And Pam, is like, oh No would you notice Jim Right away looks right to you like okay. Yeah and then a lot happen. So Roy lunges Jim. Jim Just shoves Karen out of the way he's like, I, got to get Karen out of this line of danger and right before Roy gets his hands on Jim. Who? Dwight pops up and just pepper sprays Roy in the face I mean Dwight doesn't just spray him doused him with the whole container and clearly starts to affect everyone in the bullpen. I remember Jeff Blitz time to us about this. We had a whole conversation where he was like listen it's not just the person who gets hit that suffers the consequences of pepper spray going off like this it's a it's a missed that will affect people in a general radius and they did a bunch of research on it and I remember us Talking about what happens when you get pepper sprayed and so that's why I was like okay. Well, I'm going to pick up tissue and I'm going to hold it to my eyes and we were all blinking and coughing. Yeah. I, believe it well Angela. We had a fan question about this scene from Lila Dano who is eleven years old hi Lila as well as from Catherine M annecy. Stephanie. T khloe Jay and Hannah s they all asked what did Dwight actually spray Roy with because I mean obviously, we didn't pepper spray David Denman. Well that's a good question and I was wondering it as well. I. Wonder if you had some kinship. FILL SHEA INFO FOR US I. Did ask can to Pedia about this and Kent said that it was an Evian water bottle sprayer. Oh. Well, that's good. Acting than you guys. Yeah. Yeah you just got missed it. Basically, you basically went to the spa aggressive an aggressive spa. Yes exactly. Well. We had some other people right in. Knit yet G AARON W Gustavo G Brianna and Carly G. All asked how much choreography went into filming the opening scene when Roy tries to punch Jim, how many takes were needed to get it done And Kent told me that we did and I remember this Ange about a dozen takes. of Roy just rushing in. And we got everyone's reactions. And, we'd stage that all out. Before we ever even got out the spray. And then we only did a couple of takes where we actually sprayed. And everything was overseen by stunt coordinator and our stunt coordinators name was bobby porter. I remember Bobby Porter. Yeah, he was so sweet. Will you know Kevin and Angela aren't there Oh, that's right. So you would not have remembered that and now we weren't there. So but you know obviously Angela has many questions about this moment will get to that. Yes, she does Geno. Now we're into the episode and this is just one of my favorite scenes. Michael is talking to Jan on speakerphone. Toby is there Jan like is toby there Michael says. No Toby's like right here Jan.. and. So toby sort of updates Jan that Jim isn't going to press charges, they're going to let roy go But because Roy is leaving the Warehouse Daryl now days, he wants to renegotiate his his job. And this is going to prove to be problematic and Jan says to Michael, are you going to handle this and this couplet of dialogue is one of my favorites Sam, can you play it? Yup. What did I tell you about Yars? Remember I. told you not to say it. Do you remember that? I love the so much. I had to re wash it a few times because this is a window into their relationship and I love the Jan Michael Dynamics so much how many times has he said. To her at home in their condo how many times does he said it in the car or whatever they're doing and she has had it with the uppers yours is done. And she really doesn't want to have to say it again. How many times have I told you not to say Yep IRS Yeesh. Yash. Okay. Do, you have a word that like triggers you like that have you had a relationship for someone says something or a friendship Oh that's a good question to you well I actually. Had someone in my life. no names mentioned that has said any who? To who and let me tell you any who repeated over and over it can make you snap I don't love the phrase brain fart. I don't. I don't love when people say, Oh, I had a brain fart why did I don't know why just don't love it well, listen after this Angela. Pam has this talking head. There's this kind of a series of talking heads. Says you know she doesn't want to be rude but she would prefer not to comment on what happened. But it sucked and at the end of that talking head, I feel like smirk a little bit. Did you notice this? We had people right in about it they were like. Why does she kinda smirk at the end? She says it sucked. But as she smirking because she kind of liked it in some way. You guys I'm Pam and I was completely thrown by this performance choice I. Don't know what I was doing. There I mean I sort of thought you were. Like trying to shrug it off like it sucked. You know how? Like when people are really uncomfortable sometimes they smile yeah. I think that's what I was doing. Yeah. I certainly was not intending to make you think that PAM liked it. Now she was really uncomfortable by I. Think so uncomfortable that she doesn't even quite know how to relate. Related the moment it's like someone with the nervous laughter. Yes she's she's embarrassed and we're going to see later. In the episode like is she was truly embarrassed by US I love this episode so much and I feel like Mike sure really really delivered on some dialogue in particular I. Loved when I was trying to thank Dwight he just wanted to thank him and rain has great dialogue as Dwight he he says thank you not necessary thus not accepted don't want it won't open it don't need it won't take it. He's got this really fun runner of how he's responding to Jim just simply trying to say thank you. Yeah, and Jim is going to trying to show his appreciation through this episode Dwight will not have it no. Well now Angela, we get to a scene that I love so much and we got a lot of male about. Car This is when Oscar gives Angela Roy's check and says Roy will be coming to pick this up later this afternoon. Kevin is really bombed that he missed the fight and Angeles says to Oscar Yeah I missed it to. Could you could you describe it? and. So Oscar, explains the fight and Dwight's heroism. How can we describe it has a real effect on Angela. I mean guys let's just call it out. She's totally turned on. By his moment of like gallant behavior by Dwight. Don't know what's happening. The whole interaction clearly does it for her you have to remember in season five down the road blood drive. We learn that Angela has had two men dual over her. Yeah. She she has a thing for these dueling fellas Mike sure. I feel like always like to put my character in these really like. Throws of emotion whether she was incredibly upset are aroused her pissed off like I feel like he'd like to see her journey through that. Yes. Well, she's not a very emotionally showy person and I think Mike like to play with that a little bit. Well, we certainly had a lot of fun I remember when we were doing this episode having conversations with Jeff, blitz and Mike about how much of her hand which she tip right like how much would she really show and that was really fun to play around with I did some takes where I reacted a little bit bigger some a little smaller and just finding those nuances was so much fun for me as an actor. But we have fan catch Angela from Maryland Webber and Greg Rodriguez they said around four minutes thirty seconds Angela appears to be rubbing a heart shaped necklace while Oscar talks about Dwight's heroic actions. Do you think that this necklace was given to Angelo by Dwight? Any thoughts on that. Angela. I have never thought about that. It was actually if I remember kind of like tiny lock. and I remember when I was talking to Jeff Blitz about doing the scene we talked about ways. I might fidget a little to sort of show my emotion in this moment and wardrobe had given me this necklace and I I just began to play with it. I love the idea that it's a necklace that Dwight gave her though that adds a nice layer I didn't think that through though. So so that's a great idea. We had more questions. Angela. More male please excuse me but people want to know LS Friedman said. Angela. You have all of these beautiful micro expressions on your face. How are you able to do that without doing too much you do it a lot in the series, but you really get to shine in this episode. Oh. Thank you. That is so nice. I remember when I got the script and I read Oscars retelling of it. You know his he's just telling it matter of factly what happened but I did a little bit of homework as an actor I wrote next to Oscars lines. What emotion that line made me think of? And then when I did the scene I played through those emotions on my face and they were, you know an example would be like surprise nervousness excited. embarrassed. So I would go through all of that and just kind of very subtly just do emotions. So as he said, his lines, I was thinking of those emotions I love that. That's so actor on July know the Haggar later in me loves it. I love that well, Jenna. Can talk about these scenes because they were so juicy for me but let's move along i WanNa talk about Michael's tactics that he has learned on Wikipedia the best thing ever, and he's going to try them out on Jim these negotiating tactics. Yes. Yes he wants to role play. I mean his ideas are you lean back you mumble your words you change location surprise them. Guys I looked up the art of negotiation online. Of course I did and. This is not how you do it. As as we are learning, Michael's ways are not the way to do it. I will tell you there is so much. To learn about negotiation and the more I read the more I realized what a horrible negotiator I have been in my career. It's a true art form. There's a whole theory of negotiation I found it fascinating. But one of the things every sort of guide to negotiating housing common and I I read Forbes magazine business insider I went to the Harvard law school website and one of the things is they all say do your homework. Know your goals. Listen. Ask for what you want. Right and also one of the things they talk about is that a negotiation is not the same as conflict you have to be willing to compromise or just say, no if you don't like the offer and I think I grew up Gina, I don't know if it was just my family dynamic but to negotiate something seemed confrontational and it's not it's just expressing your needs and seeing if that other person or other company or whatever is willing to meet you halfway and you go back and forth. It really like a mini therapy session for me. Well I remember I got some amazing advice from a very successful businessman. Right before I was getting ready to negotiate a big deal. and. He said something that I've noticed especially about women in negotiation is they tend to negotiate with themselves first and they go in with where they've already compromised. So he's like if you want three weeks vacation, I see women especially talk themselves out of that or they think that's too much to ask for. So then they ask for two and then they get one and he said, so my advice to you. Is Go in there and really ask for what you want like don't negotiate with yourself. I just negotiate with the company. And I've never forgotten it. And it's not conflict. Go shading is not conflict. It's totally different. It's going in there to be an advocate for yourself. Yes. I loved it. So anyway, there's tons of really great things online and then I won't even get into this. Somehow I ended up on a website that talked about the best and worst negotiations throughout history that involved countries country's. Policy and it was fascinating. Well, I need to know about that. I know for later for later this is big episode will now Angela we go back to the annex. And Toby is clearly taking statements on what happened and he is taking Dwight statement. In the meantime Ryan and Kelly are on the other side of the partition and they are eavesdropping. and. They start getting in a fight because Ryan is like I wonder what I would've done if I'd been there and Kelly's like I know exactly what you would have done because when that kid dropped their shake on me when we were on the Ferris wheel, you just laughed. And you didn't stand up for me an Oh. The starts a whole thing running Kelly. Remind me of that snl sketches the bicker sons. that a couple that like gets really awkwardly fights at the at the dinner table and then makes out in the hallway a party. And they're doing all of this behind toby and he has a brilliant line where he says I, don't think Michael intended to punish me by putting Ryan back here with Kelly, but if he did intend that. Wow. Genius. Yeah, well, now at seven minutes, forty seconds, Skies Daryl has arrived to negotiate with Michael and Michael is already trying out his tactics. He's going to change the location at the last minute, but then he's changes it back. And then they sit in silence yes and then he won't speak I was so awkward they sat there for so long I love Craig Robinson. In the scenes he so still right he's just sitting there. Now. It's so confuses. Michael like Michael does not understand. So finally he says I'm declining to speak I can't take it anymore. And Darryl's like all right I'll start. Well I think Darryl if you guys read about negotiation theory, he's come with a clear vision of what he wants. And there's no s he's very upfront and Michael is doing all this weird stuff and cannot understand that Darryl. Is Not thrown by and it's at this moment. When Darryl says. Michael. Are you wearing a woman's suit? I, think, he says, are you wearing lady clothes? That's right. and Michael's like what are you talking about? Michael Goes on to tell talking head that I love. You said, he found a suit in a been and there were a lot of people they were rifling through things like crazy and I don't know maybe the suit is bisexual it's it's. It's made by mysterious and there's buttons on the wrong side. Maybe that's the mystery, its European. Okay. It's a European. He just like rambling all this stuff and Jonah I love the idea that Michael went to some crazy day after Thanksgiving black Friday craziness at some like department store. It was rifling through a been. Yeah and he was really proud of it I think he really did think he had bought like a European suit. On sale well, he comes out into the bullpen and he's like Pam Pam. Will you please tell everyone that this is not a woman suit? And Pam is like. Oh. My Gosh. It doesn't have any pockets and. Steve. Turns around and like the shows how he can't put his hands in his back pocket it makes me laugh so hard. and Phyllis is like it has shoulder pads. Well, let me just say Angela this scene points out something that has been a pet peeve of mine for a long time more than a pet peeve. So if you'll excuse me, I, need to get my soapbox and I'm going to be there for a second I was gonNA, say about stand up on a soapbox. I am. I want to discuss the lack of adequate pockets on women's clothing. Okay I know this about your ready go. Well. First of all, I did a deep dive on pockets because it is bothered me for a long time. You Know Angela I've had back problems so it is not comfortable or practical for me to carry a purse. So I had this idea I'm going to just carry a wallet in my pocket men do it all the time? Why can't I do that but whenever I would try to put. Like my phone or a wallet in my pockets, they pop out when I sit down. And here is why are you ready I don't know if I'm ready bring it. So in the beginning, all clothing was made without pockets and everyone men and women carried around a little pouch with their money and belongings. If you've ever watched little house on the prairie, you've seen it both Ma and PA they both carry around a little pouch. Yes. Around what what was the was the pouch called I don't know it was just a pocket pouch. Oh. That's so interesting. 'cause I know my mom will still sometimes say you get my pocketbook yes. Because your pocket was not a thing that was sewn on you it was a thing you carried. Oh that makes very I always wondered were pocket book came from. Okay. Go on I'm interested. Let's do it. All right. So about four hundred years ago, they started sewing pockets into men's clothing, but not women's clothing. Why not well, some historians think that it was a way to keep women sort of powerless. Like, you couldn't hide keys or money or do business. Like your pocket was on the outside of you you're more vulnerable. Okay. Okay. Less secure. Got It. But then in the late eighteen hundreds there was a movement called the rational dress society Jonah are these people. These are your people the rational dress society well, listen to what these women dead what? Their goal was to quote dress for comfort and health. Yeah. These are definitely your people I know. These women are definitely in drawstring pants today I'll tell you oh, they are will back them. Their main goal was to get women to abandon the corset because it was literally unhealthy to where of course it and they also really pushed for women to be able to wear trousers with pockets without stay. Coban. Love. It. All right eventually in one thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety Coco Chanel started sewing pockets into women's jackets but it was not until the nineteen seventies when women regularly started wearing jeans that we finally had pockets on a regular basis Angela. That is crazy to me because I mean the seventies are not that long ago. Someone sitting right here might have been born in the seventies I was born in the seventies. And that's when by lady started having more pockets. That's crazy. They started having pockets Angela but they weren't great because pockets on women's clothing are either sewn shut in the example of Michael. Suit what am I hosted? Do with that what am I doing with a FO- pocket? Yeah or more they are proportionally smaller than men's pockets Oh. Oh, that's so true I cannot fit. My cell phone in my pocket, it falls out of the side doesn't fit well Angela I'll tell you what I read a report that tested eighty pairs of pockets on both men and women's blue jeans all with away size of thirty two. So same size pants same size pant. So you can't say, oh, pockets are smaller. 'cause women's pants are smaller than men's pants. No. They are proportionally smaller on average women's front pockets for forty eight percent smaller and six point five percent more narrow why I don't know I, mean I, get it if like. It's like a smaller like style. You know what I mean but on two pairs of jeans that are made the same. You Know Angela. Here's my thing. Okay. Am I getting out your your soapbox. My soapbox is out. Okay. Get on it. Here's what I want to say Angela I. Think we all know that women do not get paid the same as men even if they're doing the same job and we also know now that are pockets don't hold as much. I just think. We need bigger pockets. And bigger paychecks judging can I get my touching? Equal pay for equal pockets. Hashtag it everyone Hashtag Jenna. I liked the history of pockets I found that fascinating. Thank you very much. You're welcome you. I'm passionate about pockets and Angela I'm also passionate about high heel shoes and why we shouldn't wear them but I'll save that for another episode. Okay. Will you know Michael is just so embarrassed and devastated? You know he's not he thought he was on top of things with this negotiation and this has really thrown him. Yeah. He said he made one mistake you can't make any mistakes and negotiating, but he wore. But he made one mistake wearing women's clothing. Yes. And now, Jenna, this scene takes us to the kitchen. and. I have labeled the scene at eleven minutes fifteen seconds. Kevin, the Shit Stir. Yes. I mean Kevin Listen to what he says to Karen in front of Stanley and Angela Kevin says so Karen, how do you feel that Roy tried to kick your boyfriend's ass over another woman? I mean Yeah Kevin, sit down Kevin you need to sit down, but then Angela is like I wasn't there i. mean what happened I wasn't there because she went Karen to tell her the story she cannot get enough. I remember talking to fill Shea about what I should be eating in the scene and we thought it would be kind of funny she's eating grapes Severi, sort of like. Like renaissance. Moment, for her. Lady Eating Grapes being titillated by story. So now we go back to Michael's office. He and Darryl are still negotiating and Darryl makes a very compelling argument for why he deserves a raise. Yeah he said he's picking up Roy Slack I mean that that is so legitimate. But I have to tell you there is a fantastic blooper moment. If you go to the bloopers on Youtube, you know Michael is doing that weird mumbled tack but or talk on from Mama Dot Com. Yeah Yeah And there's some great bloopers of Steve and Craig just cracking up I. loved it loved that. Well, I, don't know if you noticed in the background over. Darrell Shoulder Pam is not at reception. Do you know why? Oh, that's a good catch because she's in the break room. Yeah. She's in the break room and she's experiencing major heartbreak in the break room lady I titled This Scene Despair in Croom. Despair. Well, I. Thought it was so heartbreaking I fell it warranted a little musical intro. Sam, could you play heartbreak in the break room by Josh competent? This cold one their flow. The WHO the hallways qb. Own Phantom sorrow. Scranton roles in. There's sick Terry. News morning the laws of friend. It's Story. Arc break in the break room again. If you're near. A near. The jacket to shoulder pain. She's PMS. itself more. Art. In the break room. Yeah well, ain't that the truth heartbreak again now Jenna the scene when I watched it I did think. Of Dwight, and Angela scenes just in the fact of the staging. Yeah. He doesn't look at you. His back is towards you the whole time. Yes. Yeah. And Pam gets pretty vulnerable. Here. He's really trying to connect she says. I'm really sorry it's with Roy and Jim is doing that thing. Where he's like. Oh Yeah. No I'm sure it's fine. I mean come on you guys will get back together again I'm sure. Yeah he's being so cold. So cold and in any doesn't believe or that's the thing I really believe that he doesn't believe her we'll see. You guys were good together. You're probably figure it out and she's just like Oh. Yeah. She feels so bad. So embarrassed and Jim has just been down this road too many times with her I. Think he's really really trying to move on and that's why he's behaving this way and the seen he's like I can't do this again. Yeah. Well, I think he's probably frustrated with himself that he he let himself get to a place emotionally where he could see them together again. And Phyllis his wedding that was just crushed. Yeah and he's just not going to put himself out there like that anymore drama so much drama you know get it. I get why he's like you know what I'm not going there. Well. Then in the next scene, we find out that Michael hasn't had a raise in fourteen years. He's never been given raise ever ever and he shows, Daryl his pay stub Enduro was like God any wonder they're not going give me a raise look what they're paying you. You've got to ask for a raise yeah, and he convinces. Michael to call Jan and ask for a raise. But before Michael Hits Up John, we find Jim and Karen in the kitchen. Yes. Gemma's eaten is Carrots fifteen minutes twenty two seconds. Bagga. Carrots Bagga carrots and you know he wants Cairns advice about how he can thanked white and she was like well, are you feeling guilty for all those pranks you pulled on him gyms like yeah maybe that's it and she says, okay, we'll go sell some paper so we can go on a trip. Yeah focus on work. She's so practical. I know he's like, Dang it I don't want practicality I wanNA play pranks with Pam but I can't because she keeps breaking my heart. Yes. Well, finally, Michael Does, pick up the phone. Right? He's like I'm going to call Jan and I'M GONNA ask for a raise and he's got John On speakerphone and Darryl is supervising. He's kind of like going to be his support rate his coat yet. And gentles Michael the only way they can discuss a possible raise. is if he comes in person by five o'clock and he has to bring toby. And he says toby is the worst human being I've ever known Michael Says I'm bringing Daryl and she's like Michael. We need someone from HR. So now the three of them are going to be on this weird road trip. In the meantime, Angeles still wants to hear this story guys. She's not done and she asked creed here's creeds version ready. Yes. Big Fella comes in about eleven thirty at night screaming Jim car. Big Philip pulls out a sock full of Nichols shrimp grabs hairspray in a lighter. Insane. Angeles like you're useless then she goes to Kelly and Kelly's like you know I think toby wrote a report about it and ankles like Bing Bing Bing Bing Bing and she goes and steals the report. Yes. I. Mean. What does she up to and I have to point out? We haven't talked about this is a very classic Angela? Martin Hairdo. Yes, I was going to ask you it looks like the Angela Martin Braid. But also it's a ponytail. I think it's the headband braid ponytail version I will tell you it's all my hair that is not a hairpiece Kim ferry the master of hair. She was able to separate a little piece do this braid over pin it into a ponytail. And and that's all my hair guys I. Love It. Did it give you a headache. It didn't those did not give me a headache. It was more like the Severe Buns, yeah? Yeah. Well listen we're about to hit the road. With Michael and Darryl and toby. But before we do, let's take a break and we'll be right back. Every twenty six seconds, there's a break in this country but with simplisafe home security, you can protect your whole home around the clock. It is serious lasting protection and it only takes about thirty minutes set up. All right. I'm really excited to talk about this because Josh and I got it for our home and it is true. It is very simple and it's great the websites. Amazing. You can go in sort. Of You pick out the items you want for your home security whether it sensors over your windows are over your doors are they have cameras and and it's all set up on your phone. 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Dot Com slash office. Ladies. Are Right. So now toby and Darryl and Michael are in the car. This is hilarious pairing. No one's comfortably. Thank you, comfortable. No, you comfortable. No. Darryl's like saying, maybe I'll crash in New York for the night and. Toes like how will we get back he's like you could stay and then but Michael's not in fight it. I love this odd grouping of people. This is one of my favorite things feels very mike. Sure to me as well. He loved team up odd characters. Angela I have to say they bring up the movie rush hour. The car right and this made me think. Of the movie speed stay with me here. Remember few podcasts back. You were like a line for line quoting speed and I was like, when is the last time you watch speed and you're like three days ago pop quiz asshole narratives. Well. I got that in my head and I was like. Maybe I should watch speed. Did you are speed? Angela it is so good everybody. watched. Speed Okay Anna Reeves. Sandra Bullock Jeff Daniels. I mean, this movie has everything is action romance friendship I mean and it's peak Keanu Reeves hotness. It is peak briefs hotness while Angela. I'll tell you what I enjoyed speed so much that then I watched point break. Oh Oh wait surf's up bre. Johnny Utah Are Creating Utah let me tell you this. You thought that speed was peak Kano Reeves hotness but point break he starts in the rain and he ends in the rain. Okay. He's. It's a beautiful. Kathryn bigelow directed it. Again, there is in the movie point break there is a five minute at least five foot chase through people's backyards and houses in jumping over fences. When do you see that anymore and movies I absolutely love both movies so I have decided. That to get me through the rest of twenty twenty, I will be come a Kano Reeves Film Aficionado and I think I'm going to start next on the John Wick movies which I've never seen. Well Josh. Seeing the John Wick movies. He told me. They might be too violent for me but I love counter reeves. You know I love him yeah. And I've seen pretty much all of his movies, but maybe I'll watch John Wick with you. Let's watch John Wick and we'll get back to each other. We're going to have to go into some bill and Ted's. One just came out and. My Erin. Hayes got to kiss Keanu reeves while you're going to need to get some information on that and bring that to the podcast Aaron was in Hot Wives Vegas with me on Hulu, when did she kiss Hanno Reeves and bill and Ted's sick at one. Oh, what about a walk in the clouds? What about that? One? Yeah I don't know I don't I mean he's we have a lot to do don't get me started on the Matrix. One of my favorite movies ever. Well, I don't need to rewatch those because I've seen them so many times but I because I want to. Spot. Yeah Oh. I'm so excited I had no idea you went down That It's Whole. My God. They play football on the beach. Are you kidding me? All right. So the guy's eventually they get to New York, they get to Denver Mifflin and we find Michael sitting in the lobby and he looks over to the woman sitting next to him. And she is wearing the same suit. You Know Gina I looked up how many times does Michael Scott Wear Women's clothing by accident. This is going to be a recurring thing. It is. Yes. Do I not remember this? Okay. In launch party he has on his shirt that's way too tight and the consensus that it was probably a woman shirt. Okay and then nepotism Aaron mentions that the pants Michael had that she had to return to Talbot's or something. So clearly, he's bought some women suits repeatedly and and he says he won't make that mistake again. Well, we got some mail we had some questions from. Marina T BRIANNA K., Megan S Rachel Hayes, and Dan Salomon. They said was Steve Really wearing a woman's suit or was it custom made for him? So. Ange I reached out to carry Bennett our wardrobe designer. Awesome. Here is what she told me. She said it really was a lady suit. She did not have time to so something from scratch because they would have had to also. So a matching suit for the woman in the lobby. So here's what she did. She said the first thing she did was try to find a woman suit that would fit Steve, and then hope that she could buy an identical one to fit the woman. So she went to stores with a measuring tape looking for a jacket and pants that would fit steve's measurements but also she said it had to look masculine enough that it would be plausible that Michael would be confused enough to buy it from a bargain bin. Right. She said that Steve was always so wonderful and generous with his time in the fittings and that often times he would learn about a plot point for a future episode from her and this was one of those times she said he walked into a fitting. And she was like, so today I'm going to need you to try on all of these women suits. and. Steve was like for why and she was like, well, let me tell you there's GonNa be an episode next week where this happens because you know they would give the crew, these scripts, a couple of weeks in advance so they could prepare but the actors, we would only get them what five days before we started shooting sometimes the day of Jenna yellow turns, we would get them. Like an hour before the lunch table read it depended on what kind of turn around and how long the script was taking and I learned about storylines many times wardrobe I totally relate to that I remember learning about Dwight and Angela's wedding because I was going to need to be fitted for a wedding dress. Yeah, I. Do you realize that this is the first time? A we meet hunter. Yes played by Nicholas de Gosto and Michael's like you tell me hired James Vanderbeek. You Know Angela this guy has a very extensive resume I looked up but he was in the movie election with Reese, Witherspoon and Matthew Broaddrick. I love that movie Yes he has starred in Gotham and trial and error. But I was very excited. Because he is the lead of final destination five. And I'm a huge fan of the final destination movies, I've never seen one of them what Why you hadn't seen speed come on seen speed, I just hadn't seen speed and a wile had you seen point break? Of course I've seen point break it came out in nineteen ninety one when I was a senior in high school. Of course, I saw every girl out way seventy years old saw point break. Okay. Haven't seen vinyl destination is it a scary movie they have to get somewhere in if they don't get there they die or something it's their final destination. Here's what happens. Everyone starts the same but different there's a major catastrophe, for example, in final destination five. They are supposed to take a bus over a bridge. But obey Mike a Group of kids like it's always like a group of teenagers are traveling somewhere by plane or bus or maybe on the highway and like a major accident happens and they're all killed asteroid something like that. No, it's not science fiction Oh. Okay. Here's no asteroid from sky okay. Okay. It's always like a series of little things that lead to a giant calamity. So like someone's tire bursts and then the car spins and then that hits a truck and then things fall off the truck, hit another truck and then something slams into something and then the whole bridge ends up collapsing writing, they're trapped on the boss hanging from the bridge they're dead they all di Oh. So how do you have a movie? Exactly every movie opens up with like a giant. Disaster moment and then it re winds and you realize that it's a person's premonition of what's about to happen and that person freaks out and says everybody get off the bus. We're all GonNa die we're all going to die and we'll carry and says everyone to get off the bus and they think he's crazy and they get off the bus and then everything happens as they envisioned it but they live because of the person's weird premonition, right? Okay. But here's the problem Angela. Do they all die anyway they were meant to die on that bus I cheated death and so death is now gonna come for them slowly one by one in the order that they would have died in the accident Okay. Yeah. It's the same plot every time, but they're great. Sounds. Really stressful it. It's I like movies I I like it they relaxed me and. I should say they were like, no, I think. I think they do because I think I love you but you play out the worst case scenario of every situation. Yeah. To sort of prepare yourself. Yeah. So I think movies like this are all horrible worst case scenario and in your mind you're like Oh yeah I. Would I would think about that I can relate to that? Yes, Angela. Thank you for saying this I found uncut gems. Very. I don't WanNa say soothing but I just want to say that my brain operates on that level of stress and anxiety all the time. When I see it depicted it's sort of it's like it cancels it out and I feel like Oh finally someone's meeting me where I am yeah, you feel seeing I feel seeing. Yes. So it whereas I know like you or Lea- watch a movie like that and you're like I can't handle this. I can't do this right that's not that's not recreation for me. I want to feel like that in my free time I WanNa Watch pride and prejudice I WANNA. Watch a nightly say. dossey Mr Darcy Yeah Yeah. Well anyway, that was a little bit of a tangent, but I just want you to know that's hunter. So now roy is coming to collect his final paycheck. You Know Angela. Must be very excited. She's so thrilled now, Roy and Dwight. Room. Oh anything could happen. Yeah and There's a moment where Kevin runs out and he goes. Jim Roy look out like so delayed, it's too late. He's pointing a twist. Is that what it is it's a twitter or read vine. We had a big big container of remember in the kitchen. Oh, yeah. They were read finds I. Remember I got into a big debate on set. About about the rack -tainer, yes. Because I like Red Vines and then there's the twizzlers camp and the two don't see eye to eye. You know what? I can enjoy both at whistler and read fine. But if I had to choose I might go read fine. I'm a fine. Yeah. Yeah. So there's now sort of this awkward apology moment where Roy apologizes to Jim Gems again no worries and then Dwight is ready. You know in Casey's Roy's going to lunch again but he's not he's just embarrassed and he feels bad and he asks Pam if she'll have coffee with him one last time. Yeah. He says he just has a few things to get off his chest and she agrees so then we go to. This coffee place and do you remember this place Angela we see a shot of it in it says the Hungry Fox it's a real place and it's still there and I would go there they actually they're sort of one of these places guys where you can get everything. It's kind of like a diner and I've had their cheeseburger. It's so good. I used to eat there all the time too because it was very close to our offices. And Greg told me that he often in the mornings before he went into work. There and have breakfast and kind of set his head for the day basically. And so it's kind of cool that we got to shoot at this place that we all really would eat at. Yeah I. Loved it. It's a little mom and pop place. Well, I. Have a question for you gina when I was watching the scene it occurred to me. I. Mean. Would Pam. have. Wanted the camera crew to come to this. It's such an intimate moment. It's a farewell and I was so surprised that. She would agree to let the camera crew come along. It's interesting that you ask that question because I actually had the same thought. I thought. That it was interesting that this was done on camera but I, had another thought which was maybe Pam doesn't WanNa be alone with Roy. Well, that's true. The camera crew would have been a buffer especially you know we learned that. Pam. had become friends with some of the crew, right? Yeah. Later may find that out. Yes. So maybe it in some way with this buffer for this moment and she wasn't sure how moment was going to play out. Yeah. So it might of made her feel I don't know. A little better to have them there. Yeah. I I'll. I'll buy that. Well Roy really apologizes to Pam. And she apologizes as well. She says, we you know we both made bad decisions. But then Roy says. So, are you going to date Jim now? And he says it's sort of like. It would be okay with him. Yeah I. Don't know if it would be okay if he's just like curious and wanting to know up front. So he knows what he has to hear about you know through the grapevine but pam says, now she's like he has a girlfriend but roy is like I. Mean you called off our wedding for the guy and now you're not gonNA data I just don't get you Pam. Well, he calls you a Pammy. And you also say, well, there were other reasons too which I think is Pam just being polite and not not saying you did this you didn't do this. She doesn't want to run him through the ringer and just leaves it at that. But I, do think that Roy saying that is planting a seed for. What Pam's going to do Later. Because it's true. It's true. She did call offer wedding to Roy in part. Because she had feelings for Jim if she did not have feelings for Jim, I'm not sure she would have called off the wedding just because they were not a perfect match I agree I think her Her feelings for Jim in the way, gyms are held up a mirror to her life. Changed her and he is the reason you big big part of the reason. Yeah. Alright. Well, that was we talked about this with David a little bit that was a special scene for me I love doing that scene with him I just love doing scenes with David. He was a great actor. He's a great acting partner and I was really sad knowing that that was you know going to be the last seen we would do for a while. I know you guys had a really special thing and and I love being able to watch that scene he was kind of the first. Major regular character who had been with us from the beginning who was leaving the show. Yes ness and that was we'd been through a lot. You know he was part of our origin story he was with fast when the show was struggling and then he was with us when we started getting awards and it was really weird to say, goodbye. Yeah. Well Lady. We should go back to corporate. Because we've got some unfinished business there, Michael and Jan are in the throes of negotiation a hand. He says Gimme raise are no more sex and toby starts taking notes and Michael's what you're right down perv ball and then. I'm telling you Paul Lieber Stein is toby crushes it in this talking head sometimes about what a groundbreaking case this is going to be when it inevitably goes to trial. It's so good. Well Michal cannot help but make this personal. Yes. Right out of the gate he says, we're lovers I mean right right away. Finally Jan. says to Michael Listen. I can give you a twelve percent raise, but you have to ask me for fifteen percent. Okay. So just ask for fifteen and we'll settle at twelve. He doesn't get it. He doesn't get it. He says I want a fifteen percent raise. She said we can offer you twelve and he says, you said fifteen she's like my goal. Yeah Well, he does end up getting his race. He does and so two sterile. And Michael Explains that negotiating is an art form. and. Ultimately, it's more about salary. It's it's really about the perks. Mike. Having sex with jam and I, mean moving forward. If Michael Ever another job which we know he will, how's it going to negotiate? I don't know. I don't know I. Don't think he really learned anything I. Don't know. We'll. Now it's the end of the day thunder. Mifflin. All is quiet. People are leaving. Did you catch as Phila- leaving she mentioned it's very sort of under under dialogue as they're leaving. She says that her in Pob are looking at historical homes near the river. Did. Not Catch that. What a great nugget I'm like what the heck? I cannot get enough of Bob and Phyllis fans I know I would have loved to see more of them. Something, we haven't talked about exactly all the ways that Jim keeps trying to pay dwight back. So like you know, he tries to give him a display case for his bobble head and he tries to give him this certificate of bravery from the Scranton Police Department but it's you know something they give to little kids will it has a teddy bear it? And he just throws it away and Jim just can't figure out how he can repay Dwight and. While then he finds away. Yeah, he does. So yeah everyone's laughed Angela Dwight think they're alone. Angela tells she's heard tales of bravery. Yeah. A gallant hero and maybe they'll have to read the report Toby's report together later in twice just scoops her up and gives her a big SMOOCH. And who walks out of the bathroom. Jim. He sees it all and thank all my gosh his face is so brilliant. Now, there are two things that the scene made me think of. So number one I noticed that when rain comes over to you, he sits on your desk was that intentional? So you guys would be kind of the same height to start kissing. Always. Always and almost every scene. Dwight and Angela have together he exceeded. Look it up. Guys I totally noticed it. He is what six foot three I am five one. and. Here's other thing that the scene made me think, Oh, which is that Jim has this talking head where he says I will never say a word and now we're even. This means that Pam never told Jim. What she knows about Dwight Angeles relationship. That's right. Pam Completely. Kept that a secret. Yeah. Pam I mean, I will say this Pam does right by Angela over and over she does. I I was like I guess I had forgotten that Pam never told Jim. Well I have a little behind the scenes story about the scene We did probably like three three or four takes just to get the timing right of of Gem walking out and reacting. In one take rain sort of does this huge grand gesture where he shoves everything off Oscar's desk you know he takes his hand sweeps across the desk and everything goes flying any and I'm like he picks me up and Laze me down on the desk. And we thought it was hilarious Jefflin's was like. Probably too much. But that kind of goes with your whole lake grape eating i. Whole like Renaissance Passion I. Know Look at my ankle who yeah. I know but that cracked me up. But yeah, that is not the take we went with and then before the show ends Andy returns guys, he is back from anger management. He's not going to blow his second chance. Yeah. You walks in the office and immediately gets pepper sprayed by Dwight? Yeah. This leads to toby taking away all of twice weapons underneath his desk. He had a a little sharpy star thing. What do they call you throw the Or sharpie star and he had none Turks and pepper spray all duct taped under his desk. Yeah. I think maybe toby's next stop should be creeds drawer. Because remember when creed was able to whittle the wooden stake. He opened his drawer. He had like a lot of stuff in there I. Think. There is a world where creed hits a button and his desk flips up there stairs that go below the office into an underground bunker, and he has everything you need for any doomsday scenario. Will Dwight ends us with the talking heads saying he's not a hero just a defender of the office. A real hero is hero from heroes, which was an NBC show on at the time. Huge huge show huge show. Remember what was their big catchphrase protect the cheerleader I don't remember. Yeah. That sounds right save the cheerleader Sam says. Save the cheerleader turns out cheerleader need saving. She had superpower. before we say, goodbye to the negotiation. Jonah. There's something really important. We missed we did not talk about. In the negotiation. Gal what. We find out Ryan's middle. Name. S. Ryan. Bailey. Howard yeah, we also find out that Kelly wants to name their child usher. Jennifer Hudson. Kapoor well, that's it for the negotiation. You guys. Thank you so much for sending in your questions and to David Denman. Yes David. Thank you so much. Guys we are getting close to wrapping up season three here were in the final stretch of episodes and they are all going to get good real. Good. 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You'll see that all of us are lining up choosing states. Were picking sides. We're going to be on teams team Wisconsin and so we're GONNA kick the crap out of fabric and love it and pfeiffer and everybody else in those other states Ben. I'm hoping that listeners will just lobby you all week. Long to join the six swing states. Yeah maybe we hold. We do a big reveal next week. If you're down with it. Yeah I I went in but I WANNA I WANNA pick the right state so I'll take the week to think about it here on the show today. We got a bunch of good stuff. Greg talk about China's efforts to just fully take control of Hongkong talk about how facebook is dividing the country driving people into extremism. We'll talk about North Korea and how the. Us is walking away from really critical arms. Control agreements talk about a travel ban to Brazil. Why some of the worst leaders in the world are doing the worst job of managing the coronavirus I was going to get into how Iran and Venezuela are finding new ways to cooperate in the face of US sanctions a corona virus political scandal in the UK. That is quite a row As Mar mark would say over there and then a little bit of news About how he might be in trouble and then then you did today's interview. Can you talk to folks about what they're gonNA here yet? Tommy I talked to a gun in Aden crews say who is an activist civil society leader in Tanzania and he works on issues related to transparency. And they have a kind of remarkable situation here. Where the president of Tanzania who's one of these nationalists has basically just decided to stop counting or testing coronavirus into act like it's just hasn't come there and it's gone away and so they literally have only tested like around six hundred people of those six hundred like mo almost all of them have tested positive but then they just kind of shut down the testing and so takes us inside are kind of weird alternative approached it. Frankly may sound extreme but is actually not that different if you think about it then where we may be headed in some other places where leaders say you know. What is that worth? It essentially just move on. Yeah Okay we'll stick around for that after the news. So ben you WanNa start in Hong Kong. Let's do it. This one's a big deal so last week. China announced that they're going to impose a new national security law in Hong Kong and this law would ban secession subversion of state power foreign interference in terrorism. And so in short that is designed to destroy the protest movement we saw in Hong Kong last year Those protests started in response to China's attempt to push through a law that would allow Chinese authorities to extradite people from Hong Kong in place them in China's judicial system which is not a place you ever want to be the Hong Kong police Over the course last year of proven to be brutal and just you know willing to beaten reportedly torture protesters. This new plan would allow Chinese security services to operate openly indirectly in Hong Kong and just arrest people and call it you know quote unquote join operation. But it is obviously not honestly the commander of the Chinese military garrison in Hong Kong. They have a few thousand troops over there. Said his troops were prepared to defend China's interests. Which is I believe the first such threat from the P la So that is troubling. This new national security law would basically just eliminate what autonomy Hong Kong has under the One Country Two Systems framework that they're supposed to operate under and this comes at a particularly bad time for these protesters because obviously the corona virus has made it unsafe to gather in big groups Some protesters took the street anyway. The Guardian reported that one hundred eight people were arrested on Sunday so back in Washington you know. Trump has been happy to blame China for the Coronavirus Wuhan virus whatever reformulation he uses. Its most racist but he has consistently failed to stand up for Hong Kong when he was asked about this new National Security Law. Last week he just ducked the question. Mike pompeo tried to sound a little tougher. But that just doesn't matter if the Chinese no trump is ready to sell out Hong Kong to get a trade deal through or whatever. Hong Kong is supposed to have some measure of autonomy until twenty forty seven under the agreement that the British signed with China back in nineteen ninety seven when they handed the territory over. So Ben. My questions are are. How concerned are you about this latest move from Beijing and then what do you think the White House? Congress in the Biden campaign should do or say about it. So I'm very concerned. This is like a five alarm fire blinking red light. Whatever metaphor you want to use you know. Basically the Chinese government had been put on the defensive last year right and so they did. The extradition bill the protest movement builds and builds and builds it becomes kind of a culture into itself in Hong Kong. It's threatening the viability of the city. They withdraw the extradition bill there elections in November where the democracy parties win overwhelmingly even though China has leveraged momentum is on the side of the protests obviously with covid nineteen the momentum stops everything freezes and now they're basically taking their wishlist of of swallowing up. Hong Kong and ramming through at the maximum moment of opportunity because there cannot be a mass mobilization in response in Hong Kong and because the Chinese government probably seems that the rest of the world is focused on other things. It's not particularly subtle. And they comes. After a period of several weeks in which they've been detaining arresting protest leaders democracy activists feels like a part of a of a much bigger play. And there's a history of the Chinese Communist Party trying to introduce these kinds of national security laws in Hong Kong and people pushing back fighting back and what it gets? It is the basic premise of one country. Two Systems the the separate legal systems is really core to that that Hong Kong has its own Basic Law. Its own set of the rule of law and civil liberties and just like the extradition bill encroached on that because you could be taken out of. Hong Kong system and spat into Beijing's. This is clearly trying to blur the lines of any autonomous legal system when you can use these kind of vague generalized. National Security Rationales for detaining. People are asking people cracking down. So clearly. This is the cynical maneuver at the most cynical possible time. I think there are a number of things that should be. Don. I mean. First of all there are sanctions on the books that past and I think that the trump administration if it were serious would be making a lot of noise about starting to list Chinese individuals or entities that they see as complicit in repression and Hong Kong and go through the list and see you. The bad actors are and and start threatening sanctions or imposing sanctions. That's one tool that's available. But I think even more important than that and this is something that trump just can't do and won't do is like rhetorically this whole fight. We have with Chinese should be much more prominently about values you know instead of being about soybeans and your what we name cove nineteen. It should be about the fact that China has a system. That doesn't respect. People's Human Rights in Hong Kong is at the center of that that problem and I'd like to see a critique made about what China's doing that is much more centered on the fact that there is one place in the World Hong Kong where people have the opportunity to try to opt into the Chinese model or they could have civil liberties and they're desperate to maintain their civil liberties in that kind of puts the light of the whole Chinese argument that they've solved the issue of human rights that nobody really wants them because they prosperity instead and mount an argument about what we stand for by contrast trump literally can't make that because he doesn't really stand for democratic values Joe Biden can and he should yeah so that. That's exactly what I wanted to go with this. Because we are in a campaign season China has become like a top issue right. Trump's attacking Joe Biden For being weak on China every day there's millions of dollars behind these ads and so we know from research that voters like trump's combative stance with China. Even if it's got nothing done he gets credit from them for trying And we also know that voters are more likely to blame China for the corona virus than blame the trump administration right. And there's a. There's a nationalist flavor to a lot of this rhetoric. There's a racist flavor to some of this rhetoric. It's a lot of scapegoating. And so sort of the crass political question is how do we find a political upside to fighting for Hong Kong or does one exist right? Do you think people will get as animated about civil liberties and freedom for people far away as they do about just sort of being pissed off at the Chinese about stealing jobs or I guess maybe the better question is. How do you think you frame that did date? If you're Joe Biden to ensure that people understand that on this issue that is so core to to China and China's future that trump has been incredibly weak in is just selling people out so since we're talking politics you know. We talked to a couple of ago about this poll that we did through my organization. National action about voter attitudes national security and to the most notable findings to me were on what are the criticisms really stick to trump and two of the top criticisms. The really stuck to trump in the polling. I mean sixty. Plus percent of people polled agreed with this. Were a concern that America no longer stands up for our values that we don't really represent anything in the world you know and then also that trump has cozied up to dictators and essentially become more like our adversaries than what we expect from an American president. I think that even though voters might not care about the city of Hong Kong even though Americans might be preoccupied. Obviously with. What's going on home that that Biden should be putting together a message that is more elemental than that. America used to stand for something the reason that we were respected in the world. The reason we held our heads up high is because we fought for a set of values around the world we stood for democratic values. That's what our grandparents said. That's what our parents did. That's what we should be about. Joe Biden's Casey. He's encompasses all those generations. Trump is sold that out. Trump doesn't stand for anything. Trump doesn't stand for freedom. Trump doesn't stand for democracy trump is respected and trump is cozied up to autocrats including. Jianping and that. It's time that we had an American president who stood for something again. And that if you can raise your voice when people in the city like Hong Kong or literally losing their liberties before your eyes then. America doesn't stand for anything in the world anymore and look I. I don't expect that to be the number one issue in people's minds but I think there's a way to not just have it be an anti-china message but have it be. This is about what we're four again and America should stand for these things again and by the way. I think some of the voters who are open to that message are voters in the middle. You know who might find some things to like and trump culturally or might like that. He STANDS UP TO CHINA BUT UNDERSTAND. Intuitively that disguise not representing what it means to be. American and a lot of veterans a member connor lamb the member of Congress got elected from a swing districts in Pennsylvania. Told me this that there are people in his district that they want America to be America again right and that that's part of what what Biden can do. I know what some people are thinking right. Now listen to this right especially people outside the country. Which is that. Nobody from any country around the world is ready to listen to you. Americans lectures about democracy. I get that but what we gotta start somewhere every we gotta start by winning this election in the United States and yes to be more credible voice than issues like Hong Kong. We gotta get our fucking Shit together in the US. We have to make sure people have the right to vote. We have to make sure that congressional districts drawn like some crazy scribbling by Republican political consultants. We gotta make sure that we're protecting basic civil liberties here. I get all that but in terms of making political argument to get people to care about Hong Kong again. I think you have to make it both. Affirmative here's who we are as well as negative China's not those things and we need to stand up to them. Yeah look I. It will surprise. No one that I agree with you. I mean look. The this election is going to be one lost based on handling of the coronavirus And handling of the economy and probably some ridiculous issues that we don't even know about yet like a made up caravan full of Corona Virus Isis members of the border but I do think there is a critical values based international peace. That had the Biden campaign has been talking about. We'll continue talking about and this should be at the middle of in the middle of that but speaking of coaching dictators Ben over the weekend the not at all dead North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un said he was going to implement new policies to advance North Korea's nuclear weapons program. This was a big leadership meeting at which North Korea reportedly. Here's a quote from state media set forth new policies for further increasing the nuclear war deterrence of the country putting these strategic armed forces on high alert operation. I do not know what that means but it does seem clear that the Nobel prize trump demanded after his first meeting with Kim. Two years ago will not be coming anytime soon so obviously that diplomatic effort has failed. Came making more weapons all the time. He's making more ballistic missiles but the reason I want to bring this story up today is a little different The Washington Post reported that the trump administration is discussed conducting a nuclear weapons test of our own And that is a very big deal. It would be the first such tests. One nineteen nine ninety two One hundred eighty four countries have signed the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty. Which would all but banned the practice is still needs to be ratified by several countries including the US before fully enforced but a lot of them have enforced. It on their own. Obama was in favor of ratifying the treaty but didn't complete that process. The trump administration has said in their Nuclear Posture Review in two thousand eighteen. That they will not seek to ratify it so recently the US has accused the Russians and the Chinese of conducting small underground nuclear tests I don't know if that's true or not the Russians and the Chinese deny it the US uses you know computer modeling and other methods to keep their nuclear arsenal up to date but the trump people reportedly believed that resuming nuclear testing underground nuclear testing could put Russia and China under pressure. Somehow and try to get them to enter into arms control negotiations. So let's just pause there Ben. Can you just talk about? Why would be such a big deal for the? Us detest nuclear weapon. And like maybe touch on what it might for North Korea policy to. Well this is completely and utterly insane and anticipating like a few topics that we touch on this. Let's step back here. No nation on earth has benefited more from the global non-proliferation arms control regime than the United States. And I mean treaties like the Conference of test-ban Treaty and a whole range of other arms control agreements. Because you know why we have a lot of nuclear weapons. We already have them. We use all these treaties to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons to other countries and it's been wildly successful when you think about the fact that these technologies are not that hard to figure out and yet only a handful of nations have nuclear weapons. That's a huge achievement. Relative to the world we could live in which you know. Dozens and dozens of countries have nuclear weapons. And they're testing them. And they're they're building larger and larger stockpiles in we're living on the edge of potential nuclear flashpoints at all times precisely because we had this infrastructure when there are outliers who get through like when India and Pakistan tested bombs in the nineties. It's a huge deal and there's a huge price for those countries unfortunately sometimes not a big enough price but enough that a lot of countries look at this and think it's not worth trying to develop a nuclear weapon. Because if I start down that path I could be sanctioned ostracized so this really benefits us if the US were to take the step of resuming testing and I should say like US had not ratified that treaty but we basically not only not tested a nuclear weapon for decades but we basically seek to fortify treaty around the World Obama would ratify it except with Republicans in the Senate. You're never going to ratify two-thirds tree like this if we start testing weapons again. Think about Tommy that the moments we have been able to get maximum sanctions on the North Korea. It's when they test because then we go to these countries and say look what these guys. They tested a nuclear weapon. We better do something in response. And that's how you get a UN Security Council resolution. That's how you get sanctions. That's how you apply pressure to get them into some kind of dialogue. But that's not just about North Korea. It's about whether other countries see that happening and think you know if I'm Saudi Arabia. I don't WanNa start going down this path because I don't want to face that either if we're suddenly testing are standing to to go to other countries and say you have to work with us to pressure other countries. Not to test just completely disappears and not only. Is that going to hurt our capacity to North Korea. It's going to be potentially seen as a green light to a whole lot of other countries to say you know what screw it like. We're looks like everybody's back building nuclear weapons. We'll start doing that now. And you're GONNA have many many more North Korea's out there. Yeah so that you know brings us with a bigger in even more troublesome conversation about the way this administration is just walking away from arms control agreements generally so in August twenty nineteen trump abandoned the intermediate range nuclear forces or IMF treaty. We talked about this at the time. It was a treaty negotiated by Ronald Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev in Nineteen eighty-seven and without getting into all the details. It eliminated a lot of dangerous weapons It was really the first time the US and the Soviet Union agreed to reduce their nuclear arsenals. So as a very important moment The second piece of this arms control abdication came last week when the White House announced they are going to leave the open skies treaty. Which is an agreement signed in one thousand nine hundred two that allows members who signed the agreement to fly unarmed surveillance? Flights over the territory of other members of the treaty to collect. Information on military deployments. So the idea was increased transparency. Make it easier to make sure that countries were honoring commitments under arms control treaties etc. So it was especially helpful to the US back in twenty fourteen when Flights done under open skies helped identify monitor Russian military movements in Ukraine after the invasion. So the last piece of this puzzle is the New Star Tree which was negotiated by President Obama. Back in twenty ten and to your point earlier band I mean it was ratified by the Senate. Seventy one to twenty six which is just unheard of bipartisan in this climate and new start limits the number of nuclear weapons the US and Russia can have deployed or pointed at each other on missile submarines bombers etc and rest assured. We could still like melt. The Planet a dozen times over but that number that is deployed. Today is still way way way down from the Cold War Peak. So it's important that treaty. The new start treaty expires in February. Now if the Russians in the US agreed they could extend it for another five years. Vladimir Putin has said he's cool with that but the trump administration says that they want to push for a bigger treaty that also includes China and trump's special envoy in charge of arms control was quoted Last week over the weekend as saying that if we can't come to sort of some sort of agreement the US will quote spend the adversary into oblivion essentially promising. You know the most expensive arms control race in history right when we have a twenty five trillion dollar debt. So ben the argument you hear against these treaties from people like Tom. Cotton Senator from Arkansas is that Russia and China cheating right like they say they don't abide by the treaties. They say when it comes to open skies the Russians won't let us fly over like the most sensitive places in Russia but they use flights over the US as a way to collect intelligence that they couldn't otherwise get like I think flight over trump's golf club in New Jersey once in that pissed off. They also argue like people like Tom. Cotton also argued that. Us spy satellites get US better information than those overflights anyway. So it's not even worth it for us but as long wind up I want to know what your response is to the criticisms of those treaties and like what do you think people should understand about the value of these arms control treaties. And and if you were in the White House like how would you address the challenges? That people are talking about in terms of implementation without abandoning the treaty itself. Yes so the the logic of the trump people in Tom. Cotton COLLAPSES SO QUICKLY. Here because okay. So there's there's a lot of value to this constellation of trees. They're they're dismantling one simple value as it tries to keep the numbers of nuclear weapons and deployed nuclear weapons. Down you know. Less nuclear weapons pointed each other. That's just a better thing right. And that's how people tend to think of these treaties and that's that's important and by the way that's also how we try to stop the spread of nuclear weapons because the basic premise of the whole nuclear arms control regime around the world is countries with nuclear weapons or supposed to steadily. Give them up and nobody else can get them and and we may still have them for the foreseeable future. But that's the basic premise. But there's another really important point here. Which is transparency and monitoring and verification? What do I mean by that? Like open skies means that there's transparency about the flights that are taking place it doesn't just mean you can do them. It means that everybody's reporting it so there's less chance of an accident less chance of misinterpreting. What a flight is in the same way that the reason that there was a lot of need for transparency and nuclear weapons related issues it. Nobody wanted to make a mistake and think a nuclear words started because we made a misjudgment about something and so under new start. There's transparency and verification where we literally have visibility into Russia's deployment of its nuclear stockpile. We have is on the ground that are seeing a Republican Ronald Reagan. Most famously said trust but verify. Verification is how arms control works. It's how you catch people cheating and so this leads to the Tom Cotton. If you're not satisfied that there are some violations that we are catching to these arms control agreements. The answer to that is not to get rid of any rules because then that's going to happen like the these not only do these treaties bind people to certain commitments. They also allow you to have the transparency and verification to measure what. They're doing what they're supposed to be doing. And so if you just throw out all the rules then you're not going to more deployed nuclear weapons. You're going to lose that capacity to see what the Russians are doing right. And so this is. This is like insanity makes no sense. There's no reason for us to be doing this at this point and this leads to the spending question which is like it is already patently insane that the United States before the comment you made was planning to spend a trillion dollars. Modernizing our nuclear weapons infrastructure. It was a mistake when some of that spending started under Obama was far more than I think we should have started down the path. It is exploding under trump and if this arms race happens yeah we're going to be talking about trillions of dollars spending on nuclear weapons at a time when we have a trillion dollar deficit were in a depression because of pandemic and we have climate change. Barreling down on us something that is going to cause far more damage than some kind of Cold War era view of like whether if the Russians gained a slight advantage over US and some nuclear delivery system like the world didn't come to an end here so I think this is all craziness in it's all. Were self owning ourselves here Tommy. Most of these trees have their roots in the eighties and nineties. The US wrote the rules of the nineties. We will never ever be as powerful as we were in the nineteen ninety s when we dominated the world. Why would you toss out the rules that you wrote when you had all the power in the world and replace it for twenty twenty when you have a rising China in a Russia this biting back and a world that has lost confidence leadership. This is the worst time to go down this path and I noted that one of the key Russians on all these issues. A Guy Named Rob. Cov was asked about this gambit that they have to somehow be responsible for bringing China. And he's like no. We won't do that so it's not going to happen like what sure where. I like to live in a world in which Russia and China magically all agreed to like new start tree within the next year. Sure but it's not going to happen. So the smartest thing to do is keep the infrastructure in place and try to negotiate from the foundation of that infrastructure. Instead they're tossing everything out junking all the rules giving Russia carte blanche to do whatever the hell at once develop all the nuclear weapons at once. All the delivery systems at once same thing to China carte blanche to everybody around the world and then on what the hope that trump's going to get a better deal. What just like you got a better deal on Iran just like you've got a better deal North Korea. No it's GonNa me the same thing. As Iran and North Korea will he tosses out the rule book. And we're fucked. We didn't mention the Iran deal. Certainly good right. I mean like there's no argument I can understand where you wouldn't just extend you start for five years. Keep Open Skies. Go and try to negotiate a follow on with more partners. That's more stricter advantageous or whatnot. But I mean yeah the dichotomy of North Korea which is just making a new bomb every couple months to Iran where we had restrictions in place. And now they're gone is absurd. Just think like it's one of the things that people have to care about and think of these. I feel like a few months ago. There were a bucket of events or issues that were like so catastrophic that it almost felt like science fiction. There's like a netflix special on a meteor striking the earth and what would happen or a catastrophic nuclear war and until recently. I'm but if they're on a pandemic in that bucket and maybe some people view climate change that way but I really think we need to do a better job in our politics and just like the conversation we have about discussing in mitigating potentially catastrophic risk and a nuclear arms race where we spend other countries into oblivion as the best case like that should fall squarely into that new focus. And I'll give you a few examples that that don't even bring account like some risk of a war with Russia or China. One is simply that we don't have the money right and so anything that requires us to spend trillions of dollars over the next decade is going to be catastrophic to our ability to deal with climate change but also like coming out of this depression but also like think of these scenarios that could play out like if we just junk nuclear arms non-proliferation treaty's around the world and the dominoes start to fall. Like what are the kinds of things that can happen? Well like we've let her on out from under the Iran deal. Let's say they get a nuclear weapon. The Saudis by one and then suddenly you've got Saudi Arabia and Iran nuclear weapons. Think of all the ways that could go wrong or even a good friend of the United States South Korea South Korea and Japan have not yet developed nuclear weapons because implicitly they thought while the US is our ally they'll have our back and they're the ones upholding on their shoulders this whole global infrastructure of arms control. Let's say because trump is told those countries to piss off and he's reelected let's say South Korea and Japan just build nuclear weapons which they could do very easily because they're scientific innovation. Well I think back to time you when we were in office you know. An incident happens like a South Korean. Military vessels sank like happened with the on. South Korean. Island is Shell. And let's this time the South Koreans feel emboldened because you know we got a nuclear weapon as our backs up and so they fire back at the North Koreans and then the North Greens fire back at then and then you have an escalating conventional war between North and South Korea with nuclear weapons. That could be the new normal in ten years because of what we're seeing right now and it doesn't break through the news but like systematically dismantling the entire cold war in postcode were infrastructure of arms. Control is a big big big deal and they're doing it under the cover of a pandemic which is just as gross as China swallowing up Hong Kong under the cover pandemic. Yeah it's just a every day. I think it can't get worse than I read a headline like that and I'm just head in hands okay. Let's talk about facebook for a minute. So The Wall Street Journal had an amazing report that talked about how in two thousand eighteen facebook's leadership was presented with evidence that it's algorithms quote exploit the human brains attraction to divisiveness and that if left unchecked would feed users more divisive content and further polarized the country so in other words. We've all seen this happen. Since Mark Zuckerberg was presented with clear. Evidence that all his rhetorical bullshit about facebook connecting the world and bringing people together was wrong and in fact the opposite was happening in response. They did basically nothing to fix it. The question is why and I believe. That answer is because working. The refs works so facebook has been called biased by Republicans for years. The facebook leadership was scared of upsetting conservative publishers. Whose entire business is based on stoking outrage and getting clicks that way and that two thousand eighteen report was basically shelved but it followed twenty sixteen study internally facebook on extremism on the platform in Voghera. Facebook researcher found extreme content in more than a third of large German political groups on the platform and even worse that sixty four percent of all people of all Germans joining those extremist groups were the result of facebook's recommendation tool so basically facebook was telling you. Hey this Nazi yes exactly. So this this story. Just maybe infuriated away. Look it's not because I think that people who work at facebook or bad or uncaring or unaware of these challenges and I'm not sitting here suggesting that solving them is easy. The what pisses me off. So much. Is that Mark Zuckerberg and the people at the top our political cowards they are more scared being called partisan or biased than running a company that is polarizing America or pushing Germans into extremism and meanwhile like facebook is decimated the news industry and you know Zuckerberg like getting dinner with trump in the oval office. So that he's not mean to him so like I don't know what to do about this Ben You know there's an amazing podcast by the New York Times right now. It's called rabbit hole. I've mentioned before by Kevin Roose that explores the way. Youtube been radicalizing people for the last several years. There's gotta be some way to to regulate these companies to try to fix this problem because we're all seeing. What a big problem i. It's becoming in like no one internally or externally is doing anything to address it nothing. Yeah they are destroying the world like their main lining hate in polarization like their model is to polarize people. Their model is to spread. Sensationalism and divisive content and fear based content to your point could be on facebook and you know you might reader a click a story about a crime that an immigrant committed. You're going to be led lake. You know a sheep to slaughter through the stages of radicalization by the facebook algorithm. Oh you wanted to read about this particular crime like why? Don't you read about this scary group that is promoting the fact that only illegal immigrants are coming here to make and then Breitbart has a whole section for you? And Oh by the way. Oh you got your feet a little bit wet. They're like well. Guess what the Algorithm is Gonna? Shoot your way like you can join a group. That is pleased. We need to arm ourselves defendant. I mean this is what happens in every country in the world where fish because president people are led down this path of essentially radicalization by the facebook algorithm it has to be regulated like the and by the way. This is not an issue of free speech. No because it's not just free speech. Companies Book is deciding what you see. The facebook algorithm is shaping the speech it is leading you in directions. It is telling you that certain content is more important for you to see than others that should be regulated and they should be liable for the content. That's on their platform like a certain point. They won't do what is necessary. Government has to compel them to do what is necessary and this is true for Youtube to what pisses me off so much. They all threw their hands up for so long. They're like. Oh where's the platform we're not making values judgment but more recently? They are all doing the right thing and they are. Banning Corona virus content that is giving people misinformation or dangerous false information including this thing plan. Democrat wishes that says that Faucher in some people that created the like the craziest thing ever. That's getting millions and millions of views on platforms like facebook and Youtube until they pulled it down. But it just shows you like how quickly in deadly this misinformation spread can be. Yeah they don't WanNA lose their business. Model the Click Cell and fear and hate and conspiracy theory gets clicks and they don't want to fundamentally change your business model because it will want it will cost a lot of money but you know what. I don't care in a certain point like you've made enough money mark Zuckerberg. How many billions is enough for you to be able to sleep at night and at the same time you're right then they get the rest of the right wing. Pundits say facebook is a bunch of liberals and because facebook is based in northern California and a lot of the people work there probably self identifies liberals they get overly defensive about that and suddenly like Mark Zuckerberg is rushing to right wing media. They're working you just as effectively. Zave worked the American news media for decades. Which is they're getting you to do. Exactly what they want by preying upon the fact that you might know the a lot of liberals work here but it doesn't matter if you look at facebook I don't care what the politics are. The people work there the stuff that gets shared the most as far right content is a basically far-right machine in terms of what it is disseminating content wise and so like this working the refs. Let's just leave this in the past year? It's not about that it's about public health. And Safety at this point positive world is brought to you by the New Yorker. The New Yorker publishes the best writing by the most influential authors in the world with award winning reporting political commentary cultural criticism fiction poetry cartoons in more. If you love the show wind of change it was hosted by a New Yorker writer Petrograd and Kief so yes. We think they're great too. 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You wonder why that plan isn't going both directions but you know President Bolsonaro. Brazil is done unbelievably terrible job. Managing the emergency. He has his mock social distancing he's gone to rallies he fired one health minister another quit. He's reportedly leading like random. Military officials do the job now at the same time. He's been accused of trying to shut down corruption investigations into his friends and his family. So things are looking bad for him politically. They're looking very bad and scary for Brazilian citizens. it also just reminds you that the US has tons of travel bans in place to places like Europe in China. So the world is you know lockdown globally. Even if you know countries are opening up and people won't stop sharing videos of pool parties in the ozarks other countries in Latin America are really starting to struggle and they're concerned about spikes of cases in Russia in India. So you know Ben Look. It was interesting to hear the list of countries where things are going the worst. It's the US Brazil Russia. And then you think about the folks in charge there All their similarities and it tells a pretty damning story about the nationalism. Like what surprise. The far right nationalist From the US Russia Brazil are not handling this and a spirit of science based decision making and carrying about common humanity. It's very telling that. In parts of East Asia South Korea Taiwan New Zealand parts of Europe. Life is beginning to return to normal and the countries are lagging behind are the countries that have these these kinds of leaders and Bolsonaro. Let's not forget that. At the beginning of the lockdowns his last stop was tomorrow. Lago where where he's hung out with trump and basically is a had the same type of response trump. You know like disinformation. You know kind of this much easier attitude arrogance you know may maybe even a little more extreme but like we're punishing Brazil with travel ban for basically pursuing a response. It looks good trump's right and I also think the unwinding these travel bans Incredibly complicated and frankly would be a lot easier if we were able to do so working cooperatively like I don't know the World Health Organization. Yes provides a forms. So yeah I think you're GONNA see this for years. Which is like the more poorly governed places with these kind of right wing nationalist anti-science leaders are gonNA like way behind everybody else and that's become more and more as time goes on. Yeah The Times also had interesting report about how Putin had promised cash bonuses to healthcare workers but almost not any of that none of that money has been actually delivered because you know all these corrupt officials who work for him or skimming off the top. Or they're scared about making a payment or having their budgets messed up and doling out funds and then getting investigated because they're corrupt in the first place. Now you have doctors complaining about not getting their money. There then. Getting investigated by the state. Putin is threatened to punish officials who aren't distributing the cash that he had promised but like it's all underscoring that he is in fact not all powerful. He's a terrible administrator. It seems like they're trying to scapegoat the Prime Minister of Russia. Who was hospitalized for a month with the coronavirus but it is. It is laying bare. How bad many of these leaders actually are? Yeah and I think what you're going to see in this comes up in the interview today that that some of these leaders are going to try to not count. The numbers you know does not report the data in Russia. There've been a lot of reports that that Putin is undercount in cases and deaths and and that may be their answer to this. You know there's another connection year which is a science like what a coincidence that trump in Bolsonaro and Putin are three of the leaders who are most against dealing with climate. Change Your Bolsonaro permitting. Essentially the destruction of the Amazon even though scientists warned that could doom. The planet ear- Reversible Climate. Change leaders who listen to. Scientists are are generally better at their jobs than leaders. Who Don't the type of leaders who have perpetrated the idea that climate change is a hoax are the type of leaders who aren't gonNA listen to the scientists and a pandemic either One other little corona fallout which is in the UK so British Prime Minister Boris. Johnson's top aide guy named Dominic. Cummings is in some trouble This has been a huge saga over in the UK that we will try to walk you guys through so the first thing to knows the cummings is one of those like wants to be some sort of political guru or spin. Golly like Steve Bannon yet he was the key architect of Brexit and seen as conniving behind the scenes guy But he and his wife got the coronavirus back in March and instead of going into lockdown as mandated by the government he helps run cummings row of two hundred and sixty miles to his parents place in northern England and he claimed he did so because he was worried that you know few and his wife got sick they have a small child. They wouldn't have child care. And that seems kind of understandable. Even if it's against the rules but cummings in just hang out with relatives. He also drove twenty miles to a place called Castle Barnard And his stated reason for doing so was he said to test his eyesight which had been impacted by the coronavirus enough to drive the five hour trip back to London. Which you know you might wonder why driving for an hour is a good way to test of your eyes are safe enough to drive. That seems insane so he did this. Big Press Conference on Monday outside of number ten Downing Street. It's just weird. Imagine like a staffer for a US president sitting out in front of the White House doing a press conference about a scandal. He or she created right like speaks to how important he is to their system. And how bizarre this as you know. The scandal itself comes on the heels of the top British epidemiologist having to resign from his role on a scientific panel after he was caught visiting with his girlfriend. During lockdown. There's been a bunch of other. British officials have been caught up in similar scandals. So like I guess maybe British citizens will have less tolerance for do as I say not as I do or less tolerance that we do in the US but man this must be pretty brutal for shots and you just recovering from covid himself. Yeah I think it's important because the age old political scandal. The hypocrisy of politically. I'm just telling you to do something and then doing themselves. And it matters because this guy was the year. It's kind of like Karl. Rove Steve Bannon. You know the this kind of man behind the curtain of the brexit campaign and then really the indispensable advisor to Boris Johnson. I think that the reason that it matters more that you're seeing kind of particularly high decibel level of anger about this and UK is that Dominic Cummings has been a mastermind of a political strategy. That tried to tell people that there are a bunch of of elites who only care about themselves and not right. You know right thing like you the way in which kind of rich privileged people like Boris Johnson and Donald Trump get support from the masses. Is they play on these cultural grievances. Like don't listen to those elites drain the swamp Blah Blah Blah and here. He is acting like the most privilege and leaders guy possible like no. The rules. Don't apply to me I into a castle. Go to a castle and then I can lie about it to your face and so it kind of completely exposes the emptiness of the whole Boris Johnson. Stick you know that. He's the man of the people fighting the self interested elites well no turns out. Actually he is. He and his circle are the selfish elites who think that there's one set of rules that apply to everyone else another to them and that's why this might be a scandal. The sticks to them I think also as we talked about there was an outpouring of support Johnson when he was sick right and hope that he got better obviously and that's great but that kind of obscured how bad their response was for. And so I think this is also giving people permission structure to be pissed at the government again. Yeah good for them. Have Fun with quite a row as they say a couple more quick thing. So you know we've talked a bunch of times about US efforts to to sanction an punish both Iran and Venezuela and so you know in Venezuela it's veered into a conversation about straight up regime change so now interestingly Iran and then as well Are Forces to help each other out and just give the. Us The middle finger on Monday. In Iranian oil tanker arrived in Venezuela with the shipment of gasoline from Iran. It is reportedly the first of five ships that are on the way The Venezuelans are desperate for fuel Iran. Desperate for cash so Nicholas Maduro the Venezuelan president made a trade. He had a bunch of golds. He bought a bunch of oil. The fact that Venezuela got to this point is a pretty devastating story about their mismanagement of their own oil and gas industry. The fact that they can't you know refined petroleum. But that's another story but you know these. Shortages are exacerbating that as well as economic problems that have been brought on by sanctions. I don't know what did you think about this. This open cooperation between Venezuela. How significant do you think this sort of next phase of their cooperation as well? Look I think just. The reason is notable as it's like two of the biggest boogeyman in. Us politics has relates foreign policy. Cozying up to each other. It should be no surprise the US pulls out of the Iran deal tries to shove around back in the penalty box. So they're going to look for other friends The the US recognizes different guys President Venezuela and start sanctioning events. And so. They're going to go looking for friends. But here's the net result. Iran is resumed its nuclear program. Medeiros more entrenched than ever and he's much closer to China and Russia than he even was before trump recognized. Guido in this one photo op of the Iranian and Venezuelan vessels coming together kind of speaks to the complete failure of policy that said we're going to come squeezes people into collapse. No squeeze them closer together and I think the reason it also matters. Is those people who don't care about human beings who are hurt by sanctions or foreign policy outcomes would say well what it politically ingenious strategy and Florida because you know the Jewish voters down their loved the tough on Iran stuff and the Cuban and Venezuelan American voters down there love the tough on Venezuela stuff. Well Hey Democratic politicians in Florida. You just got your photo that essentially blasted giant hole and their entire argument in your state. Okay Niche constituencies. Who We've decided get to determine all of US foreign policy. Are you happy now? Like not only Iranians Building Nuclear Weapon Natalie's Madeira in power. But they're cozying up to each other down there in Caracas. Turns out maybe like putting all your chips giving all your chips over to. Donald Trump to take to the casino to play some farm policy bets on Iran Venezuela has led to this. Yeah that's a good. That's a good one. You want to put a pain in for for listeners. So The Washington Post. Liz sly has analysis piece where she says that Syrian president you know dictator Sadist Bishara. Assad is facing the biggest challenge to his grip on power since the Syrian. Civil war started nine years ago and this might surprise listeners since like the opposition in Syria has been all but defeated. But the problem for Assad is that the Syrian economy is just decimated after a decade of war of sanctions and now the pandemic and the benefactor to prop him up the Russians and the Iranians are dealing with the corona virus and their own economic problems. And they just can't hand him. You know a bunch of billions of dollars to fix our economy. So Assad is picked public fight with his family so he has a cousin a guy named Rami Makhlouf. Assad tried to bill him basically for back taxes. Makhlouf is one of the many powerful businessmen who operate like mini-warlords in Syria and they have their own little militia forces and constituencies that support them Roam Uku facebook complained about mistreatment from Assad which was rare and seemingly dangerous sign of public dissent for an autocrat and that is inspired other people to go public with their complaints about the Shar. So ben I distinctly remember being told at the very beginning of the Syrian civil war that key business leaders like Romney mccoo turning on Assad and that regime change was imminent because of forces within the country and that obviously did not happen and here we are a decade later talking about the same group of people but I did think that this is a very smart reporter and that the underlying economic analysis in the political position it's put Assad and was interesting and just worth noting with watching because during the almost decade long series of a war all the pro regime interest. If like we're kind of forced to to fall in the together because it was existential to that you know so everyone kind of got behind. Saad put aside whatever their differences were because it was like you know a fight for survival now that the civil wars ending that kind of sense of common fate may be fraying. You Obama used to make this argument that when Russia and Iran were being almost celebrated by people in the foreign policy debate in the US of winning this great victory in Syria. You know he used to make this argument of like well. What are they really going to be? Winning like what what's going to happen like. Why is it going to be necessarily good for them? To be managing whatever's on the other end of the series of war. I think a lot of people reacted negatively strongly to Obama saying that because they heard it as like a justification for for not taking humanitarian intervention. Which I understand but it doesn't actually make Obama's point any less true which is here we are. What is GonNa Happen in Syria? Like it's quite likely that some of these people are going to turn on each other. Next year's it's a fact that Syria has been completely destroyed by Assad and the civil war that Russia and Iran do not have the money at all to try to rebuild this place And so I think what you're GonNa see is probably like you know factionalism inviting you know. Maybe the place unfortunately is GONNA be returning into different kinds of conflict over the next decade like. That's it's more likely that Syria looks like a mess. For the next decade then kind of emerges with Assad standing strongly on two feet with the country behind him and the spigot of of aid flowing from Russia and Iran and again. That's a tragic. I don't in any way welcomed that. It's another tragic outcome. And it's why ideally you'd have some international effort to try to provide some support for different kind of political settlement there. Yeah okay last thing So we talk a lot today in frequently about shitty world leaders on this program so we just WanNa play a little audio from a great one to close it out just having a bit of an earthquake here on quite a quite a decent shake here things moving behind me has. It stopped a little more than most as it stopped trying to or is it still going. Yep It's just stopped and you're feeling Siphon while to continue the interview nor we find ride not under any hanging lights look like I'm gonNA structurally sound okay. Place that was just into hard earned. The Prime Minister of New Zealand doing a live interview during an earthquake and just seemingly couldn't care less just happy as a clam identifying the infrastructure around and above her and You know managing through it. I don't know that this is related to why they're country has all but radicalized corona virus and his come out of this crisis better than anybody else but I suspect it it definitely is. I mean in the most hopeful trend in the world. Right is some of these younger female progressive leaders getting elected to places and LO and behold being terrific leaders. I have to say like she's about one hundred times tougher. A Donald Trump and Mike pompeo would probably diving for cover under the table. So it also shows you. The toughness doesn't come from your capacity to like berate other people it comes from being able to stand there and kind of role with the earthquake in the same way that she wrote with the pandemic successfully. They've had like well under one hundred deaths in New Zealand. Which again even per capita for. That is much more president. Here I will use the opportunity to Tommy Ivan. I don't think I've told my embarrassing story. When Obama I met was just into art. Earn her top aide In two thousand eighteen I was very struck. She's so charming. So Down Earth. She had this kind of mix of things she wanted to talk about ranging from like very important critical issues around the economy and climate change to just talking to Obama Kid. What's it like to be a parent who's also in politics as overwhelming sense of just like a decent smart hardworking person who cares about the right things and when it was over restart taking pictures and so Bama picture with her about taking pictures staff and so then just arden calls out to me and I'm over on the other side of the room? I'm stuck in my government mode where I have to look busy like I'm looking at my phone. Even though what the hell do I have to do? You want a picture. And she's waving me over and I was like no no no. I've already got plenty of pictures and I thought. I thought that she was asking me if I wanted to picture with Obama because Obama had been taking all these pictures with different people like so they've been waving over all of her staff basically to take pictures with Obama and so when she said you WanNa come get a picture. I thought she was asked me if I wanted to picture the bombers is like now I picture I've got enough of those and then I immediately realized but not fast enough for not to be too late that she'd been asking me if I wanted to picture with her and I just basically no no. I don't need to picture and I've never gotten over the embarrassment. I feel like nerves just thinking about it because number one. I wish I had a picture with just earn. She's legal the best leader in the world today and number two. I just feel like kind of a jerk. Which is obviously compounded. When had Kiwis being like and why did you pronounce your name wrong? So I'm the top of the fan club here but I always have that that that single moment of singular self humiliation to draw upon but drawing from her example like she clearly just roll with it so I guess I just need. I need to roll with it myself. Yeah she was shaken right off the earthquake. I mean yeah there's also this thing that's ingrained in us a staffer that like any time. Anyone like acknowledged my existence or tried to bring me into a conversation where I didn't feel like I should. Yeah there I just wanted to crawl into a ball and die and just be in the back of the room and not be part of the thing. Why is that? That's totally true? And I don't know why because you're there in your there in a support role and yeah yeah even the presumption that you're like the principal or like should be part of the conversation just beaten into you that you should just step away from that. Well it made me think. Actually don't really have pictures of myself again. All these people in the years and other than that job in Lake I probably because of that mentality like I almost only pictures have myself. Or when like Pete Souza forced to take a picture someone like? I don't know it's a mixed bag because on the one and I find it annoying. When staffers insert themselves. Can I get a picture in? It's all about acting like you've been there before and I would always try to act like I've been there before but then I think I like gave off like a vibe a dish that I didn't mean to. I was trying to like shrink into the furniture you know but anyway oh well what are you gonNA do? It doesn't mean that we can't be attornal. Just AREN BOOSTERS. On this podcast. Yeah Prime Minister. If you're listening. Hopefully we'll we'll all meet you day when we come back. We'll have bends interview so stick around for that. The world is brought to you by a better help. 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I want to start by just taking a step back and looking at what's happened in Tanzania the last few years I remember going to Tanzania with President Obama in his second term when present kick wet day was in office in Tanzania and Tanzania was often held up as kind of a democratic success story in something of a model frankly in east Africa and I know that since the new president John Maga fully was elected in two thousand fifteen that there's been some backsliding on democracy in on the space for civil society and Tanzania and so I was hoping you could kind of talk us through how he's positioned himself as bit of anti corruption reformer but he's also taken steps to rollback democracy. Yeah great question. I actually have thought about it for a little bit. And you know being involved in some of the activities and trying to promote as certain freedoms of Expression Association and and assembly be trying to think about how I would characterize what has been happening for the last four years and I sort of land on a couple of words and that's sort of Ma. Call it muscular nationalism. This administration has really made an important narrative around a self sufficiency self efficacy. That we need to take back control of the way things are done in this in this country so there has been quite a robust engagement with foreign companies and investors The initiatives was to try and call them out for not paying the taxes that were due to the country and keeping us as donate dependent countries. So I think you know about the Research that was done or on Barrick and the gold mining companies to to try and renegotiate. Those contracts at the laws were changed. So that's that's one aspect of what has has been happening. I think another one has been really as you mentioned there to fight corruption internally and that has been a big flagship initiative of this current administration in fact just today a couple of tax administrators in the region of Tanzania were arrested for corruption. I'm not sure what the details are so big fish. More fish have been netted by by. By by the efforts. At curbing corruption some have critiqued the government to say some of the anti-corruption drivers actually targeted people for I suppose they're more dissenting stance against the administration for their questioning or critiquing. What's going on for bending the RULE OF LAW And I think that's an accusation. That has a little bit of validity in it or quite a lot of validity in it. So it's a mixed bag in terms of the administration trying to take back control of the commanding heights of the economies such as some of these sectors especially the mining sector renegotiating contracts fighting corruption. I think the other thing that is really even more. Problematic has been really curbs. On essentially the freedoms of Expression Association and Assembly essentially political activity has been deemed undesirable by the administration so no rallies and all the spaces for political parties to organize and say their piece have essentially been shut down and civil society. Organizations have found themselves in a similar kind of boat after the Political Parties. Essentially really circumscribing. What their operating. So these kinds of developments have given quite a lot of us are cause for concern on the direction of the democratic atmosphere in Tanzania. So I know that a big part of the issue with the government has been it's essentially manipulation at times of Statistics and data. And you know like we've seen in a lot of countries really using information to challenge you know the concept of facts in objective reality and that's of course come into play in the cove nineteen situation when you get at questions about counting cases and deaths. I wondering if you could talk to us about how. The government has approached this use of of information and data. Well then. Maybe I should demonstrate that by just story. That is personal to myself. It's something that happened with mean and with the nation that I work with in. Twenty fifteen thousand. Take you back a little bit. I'm trying to fifteen. We contacted a poll pre election to see which we were leaning with respect to voting for the ruling party and its candidate President Michael fully now and in opposition candidate with a very strong opposition party. Chadema with pretty strong candidate in Edward Lois so in September. We put out this poll and we pulled the country about three thousand citizens and the results were sixty five percent favor of Maga fully and about twenty five in favor of low asa and the opposition parties were clearly unhappy with us but election election day and our polls were essentially validated with this with a slightly smaller margin between the winner and the person who came second so in the subsequent years. We did additional polling on presidential approval ratings. Shot up in two thousand sixteen to ninety six percent. You know and I think that was a reflection of all of the activities that the administration was doing to curb court especially corruption among civil servants. And then it dipped in two thousand seventeen to about seventy one percent or thereabouts and there was a little bit of 'em discussion and debate. I think people began to say maybe because there are some tendencies here which people are not too happy about with to their freedoms in twenty eighteen we pulled again and the president's approval rating had fallen even further to in the high fifties. At which point I think the administration decided that maybe enough is enough with respect to independent polling and found itself questioned as to what it was doing how it was authorized to do this polling. Somebody that had never been a problem before a couple of weeks after launching those numbers my passport was actually taken away from me. And I wasn't able to this. I'm not able to leave the country ostensibly. The reason was to investigate my citizenship. As a Tanzanian there was suspecting that I may not be Tanzanian. Was fomenting some kind of wrong information or dissent by putting out these these numbers since then. We've had a change in the statistics. Act which one revision gave the power to government to approve of any surveys collection of data and their publication. We re other civil said as with really really hard to have a couple of those clauses in the act changed and with some support from external financial institutions such as the World Bank. Which said you know? It's difficult for us to work in a in a space where we have to seek permission from the government to publish data so in in on the thirtieth of June two thousand hundred nineteen the problematic clauses were removed from the Statistics Act actor and ostensibly by law you can still collect independent data and publish independent but there administrative challenges and constraints and roadblocks put against that. So I think in the next show. The government wants to control the narrative. I think that's one thing that is clear. And any independent data that might painting alternative or different picture is actively discouraged from reaching the light of day. So that's led to pretty extraordinary situation today. Where you have Tanzania reporting you know something along the lines of around five hundred covert cases and that's going along with just over six hundred tests. I don't think anybody believes that. That's an accurate portrayal of the situation on the ground. What do you think is going on? I think I think testing really stopped in early. May the last time any results were published for mainland. Tanzania was on April twenty ninth or reported to the World Health Organization or the African Centers for disease. Control was April twenty ninth. So only a month we've had no reporting or publishing of results in the intervening time. Cast DOUBT WAS CAST on the testing lab. The one testing lab in Tanzania and the government investigated as to whether it was doing the right thing and a proper job. A commission of inquiry was put in place. It reported recently that there were problems with some of the equipment and self and so therefore the lab was moved from the National Institute of Medical Research to another location. But I don't think any testing has happened since the since early. May At least it's not been reported to have happened. And so therefore the numbers of covid cases seem to be stuck at five hundred nine out of six hundred and fifty two tests and compare that to a country like Ghana which has done one hundred and nine hundred five thousand tests to find six six thousand six hundred eighty-three cases compared to Kenya. Just north of the border over sixty thousand tests to get one thousand two hundred cases. Uganda eighty one thousand tests to get three hundred twelve cases. Rhonda our small neighbor to the West. Fifty eight thousand tests with three hundred twenty seven cases. So yeah it is very much an island. An outlier in terms of the number of tests and therefore visibility into the extent of covid nineteen in the country is extremely opaque in. What do you think the government is hoping to achieve here by essentially acting like? This isn't even worth Testing or pursuing. And what is the mood? Among the people there people afraid or people willing to kind of trust the government on this or just kind of go along with their their mentality. Let me answer the second one. I I actually think just observing on social media and talking to people just ordinary colleagues and friends of mine. I think a lot of times and have decided that they're going to listen to what the government has said. They're going to take as read that. Yes. We are winning the battle against coronavirus. We don't need to bend over backwards to protect ourselves too much and so life is continuing more or less as as as it was in the past maybe a little bit more handwashing a little bit more sanitizer use a little bit more mask wearing but even the mask wearing which was more extensive maybe a week or two ago seems to have been on the decline since the government has said at least one. The data's not being announced and and published this seems to be a bit of a relaxation makes even amongst ordinary citizens so But the as to what the real case the true condition of Corona of Covid one thousand nine hundred. Nia is an open question and so your group as a and others have tried to fill some of the gaps in terms of government communication to the public. You know being rooted in facts What what are you trying to get? Accurate information out to people and are there other organizations and civil society or international organizations that are trying to to fill some void around just public health information and education. For for people to be honest bend. There's nobody else who is really trying to put out the any number and statistics on the status of covid nineteen With respect to cases or or deaths that has been clearly marked out as a an area only for government to pronounce on so there's deafening silence on that what we are. Siri what we're hearing and seeing is just some announcements around protecting yourself avoiding crowded spaces and places hand washing sanitizer wearing masks with sanitizer use and mask wearing as even this is coming from from government but the challenging thing is that the messages remained mixed even from within government. We just had the Amazon. The end of Ramadan celebrated over the weekend and one hand we had leaders say go out and enjoy ourselves and make Mary on the other. You get the police saying. Please avoid crowded spaces and so you know people human beings we with the one that is the least inconvenient and so I think people decided they were going to listen to go out and make Mary and less so about avoiding crowd. So there is a confusion and people as to what the real situation is in how to cope with it and again we take the path of least resistance so this lack of transparency about the state of the disease. is very worrisome. And there are very few other organizations which are able to really paint an accurate picture. You about what I was doing. We are trying to be to government about doing another one of these surveys. We've ran into some difficulty with still negotiate where we can or cannot do it. We'VE DALLAS SURVEY IN UGANDA VERY interesting results. We're going to launch them in a few days. We're about to do an in Kenya to see how people are understanding and coping with Kobe. Nine thousand nine and how? It's affecting their own economic lives and livelihoods. But the in Tanzania we've hit a pretty major stumbling block in order for us to be able to do that We hope we'll be able to do so but I have to be candidate and say that my hope is is small and evaporating so we'll have to try and find other ways to communicate personnel agency in protecting yourself. Your family your loved ones through some of these basic personal hygiene initiatives and as you look around East Africa in your region I mean. Do you see who who who do you see as setting a good example for a type of response? It is rooted in clear data information public health measures. How would you evaluate the relative responses in your region and is there a more positive model? Well again I think the responses that makes you know our neighbors to the north. Uganda and Kenya have implemented. Pretty Damn strict lockdown especially Uganda more so than than Kenya and I think they've done that on the basis of data. Kenya closed nairobi-mombasa. But there is. The country was eighty open because they found that these were the two places that were were hot spots. But I've got to also mentioned that the way they enforce the lockdowns was was a very questionable. I mean people were beaten Human Rights. Where essentially abused to keep people indoors and I think a few people lost their lives. So it's a mixed evaluation as to give on the one hand. Yes they publish. They collect the data they published. And they say this situation and you get presidential addresses at least once a week extending lockdowns or giving people an update but on the other I think. Enforcement of the lockdown has been problematic to say the least so one can't take the their example holy and say this is what we should have done or or ought to be doing. I think the other thing to keep in mind in terms of lockdown is that there is a huge debate as to whether that is the right into especially in the context of our countries. Here where many people make their living inform sector and lockdowns adjust economically Suicidal so there is an argument to be you know out there that perhaps the Tanzanian approach on that front alone of not imposing strict lockdown may have some salutary fact so you avoid perhaps the negative impact to all of 'em of financial crisis on ordinary people. But at the same time. Then you're balancing off. With lack of transparency on on cases on death and so people are operating in an informational vacuum in data darkness which I think carries its own problems and dangerous so yeah. I mean version of that debate happening here in the US. But it seems like the government's message. Tanzania is to basically ignored that. This is even happening. People should go on with their lives and they're not testing or providing information because they don't want information to get out. I guess that might cause people to panic. I mean is is is that an attitude that Tanzanians will basically just accept that better to not even know what the problem is people. I'm no may get sick at some point but I don't want to see the economic disruption is that something you think is going to work for the Tanzanian government to be honest with you. Ben I think it is going to work for the government. Despite any any sentiments might have to the the correctness of the approach I think the popular acceptance of of that position is something that we have to accept. People don't like being recipients of bad news and being told that you know things that doc and and desperate out there and you have to really be super careful and in trying to be super careful. You're going to run into serious problems of feeding your your your your family. So so I think. The the approach of downplaying and by basically not announcing the cases ended this downplaying. The extent of of covid nineteen has reduced the fear or panic levels and allowed people to to make their own decisions about how they're going to operate and those decisions have led to a situation in Tanzania where life is more or less Going on as normal with a little bit of personal hygiene improvement practices but it more or less is is continuing as normal compared to all of our other neighbors. We have been very open in terms of how we're operating and a couple more questions. The challenge of course is if there is a major outbreak. How effects will become clear but but maybe not widespread enough to really puncture. The the government's success Pushing this narrative one question I wanted to ask you. We've talked a lot on this podcast about the trend of you called muscular. Nationalism nationalist kind of authoritarianism we see a lot of common strategies. The use of disinformation at times the manipulation of data and statistics really trying to manipulate and control what objective truth and reality is by some of these leaders in that sense trump and Putin and some right wing governors here in the. Us have have view similar strategies to what we're hearing Tanzania. I'm curious how much do you feel like? There's a connection there that not that these leaders are copying tactics. Tanzania feel like it's part of a global trend of of leaders manipulating information kind of creating their own version of the truth. A notice Tanzanian president engages in conspiracy theory sometimes in the same way that our president does I mean. Do you feel a part of a trend you know. I think I think what the important thing that seems to be informing the attitude of the administration. Here is that there's nobody out there to point fingers at us that we ought to be really afraid of and care about too much because other people are doing similar things. They are really pushing the envelope on changing the narrative in that sort of way. So nobody's going to hold their point fingers to us and have any credibility in so doing so. We're going to do this in our own interests here to advance our own interests in Tanzania. So in that sense I think there is that trend. There is a normalization a permission. Giving that is happening. From other countries in the world from the Philippines to Russia to Turkey to Hungary you name them and now Brazil named them. I think there is a permission giving sort of sense out there for for that to happen. I will I remember being in. Ogp meeting in New York in twenty seven. I think it was when somebody from Transparency International said. I wonder if there is a room in the basement of the United Nations where these people meet to compare notes and they give each other tips on how to do these kinds of because yes the pattern is so similar across very divergent countries and here we are experiencing similar things to Hungarians and Filipinos and And Russians well and then last question I want you to give a description of what you're doing through as a You know and what what Tanzanian civil societies is working for an in the context that we talked about you. Know what is your organization up to? And and what kind of Tanzania working for. Well we at. Where's I working? Hard to make government more transparent more inclusive of people's views and inputs and more accountable to citizens and that is sort of driving mission is in a number of ways. And so we try to do this by providing information by collecting data and sharing it not only with government but with citizens to paint the more accurate picture of the life that they're experiencing we try to do this by providing platforms for citizens to participate in government at very local levels and and we try to promote the rule of law by engaging with lawmakers when when legislation is being contemplated such as the statistics. Act. I mentioned to you such as the Political Parties Act earlier last year in two thousand nine thousand nine hundred the NGO act which made governmental lot more potent in terms of managing the civil society sector all of these things. We tried to engage in in coalition with others to keep the space open for civil society but also I think a sense by civil society to to continue the best. They can to provide services to the population to citizens where there is water. Health Education Services. And so that's the other element at our strategy to support government in its public service. Delivery Responsibilities An is less in that space. We're trying to more focus on the keeping government open accountable and inclusive in in the country. Same for Kenya. Uganda and it's challenging. But we have to be increasingly creative and sophisticated and certainly very perseverance. Perseverance in the work that we try to do well. That's Great Aden is there? Is there anywhere. Our listeners can go to learn more support toys and your efforts. Well we have a website. Www dot org we actually upgrading it to come into you know. Make it a lot more user friendly. There's a lot of information on there. Some of our own sorts our own experiences our own ideas in the work that we do in the effects that we're trying to accomplish and we hope they will be able to enjoy and comment comment on on on what we're doing. And they provide a some moral support or even just some tips on what not to do in case that we're not. We're not achieving our aims in the best way possible way. Well thanks so much for joining us in. Stay stay safe and well out there. Thank you very much. Thanks for inviting me. Thanks to Aden for joining the show. Ben I've nothing all my book recommendations saw my TV shows. I'm getting through it all at the end of the Internet. Yeah we'll come back to that next week. I will say it's good to get a voice from Africa. We don't hear a ton from there so It was awesome to talk to Aidan. And Yeah I'm same as human author. Replenish the well for for next week. Okay well we'll send us all your rex. Everybody have a great week Ponte. The world is a product could media executive producer. Is Michael Martinez? Our assistant producer Jordan Waller. It's mixed edited by Chris. Basil Kyle Seguin is our sound engineer. Special thanks to our digital team. 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"Hey everybody today's episode of the around the NFL podcast presented by rocket mortgage join rocket mortgage and saying thank you to essential workers by posting a video to everyone knows a hero dot com also the around the NFL. Twitter show is back this week. It's on Tuesday tomorrow. It's live it's all about the draft and it's going to be a lot of fun breaking down the big event coming up on Thursday through Saturday so check us out live on twitter two. Pm Pacific Five PM Eastern ten PM GMT so a little bit later than our usual time. Make sure you check it out. Let us get to the Monday show around the NFL. Podcast A billion dollar idea. Welcome to another edition of the around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan had this. I'm coming from city. Filled with heroes in clunkers Marxists Ler. Chris Wesley Greg Rosenthal. What is up gentleman? Paid-in Gentleman said? The boys finally classy sophisticated How's everybody I was your weekend too. I like the weekend. It is quite a difference. I mean with the schools and the shows like it's a relief to get to the weekend. I find myself drifting away on the weekends. I kind of need this daily exercise that we do to keep us or keep me somewhat sane I enjoy the weekend quite a bit. I was talking to Erica before the show that I've started to look back over the past couple of months of like the things that I had a chance to do that. I didn't do because as you know we'll always be able to do this and it was I remember. I thought about the night that Dan and I almost went to France into Paris from a late night. Uk Bar but we thoughts too audacious idea. We'll do it another tense. Like I wish we done that now. I'm just looking back saying that. Will that may never happen again. And you know with the way things working out now with the world turned upside down and the uncertain nature of the NFL. Season very worried that we won't get to go to London this year and the Who knows all of a sudden? You're talking two years down the line on wh. The world is filled with unknowns. What is the lesson here Grab life by the carpet onions junk. An analyst is Dan is now into other countries Other than which I like. That's good. It's a it's a trope Being perpetuated by you guys but I do that stuff with you. All the time so Yes he did. I didn't really come close to going to France. That was more assessor fever dream that maybe I could have gotten roped into And now. In retrospect yes. That would've been great because who knows got a nice show coming up today. Did everybody watched the last dance. Definitely I have yet to do that but I feel highly on top of the situation. Thanks to forty seven thousand sports writers tweeting about it at the same time. Martin will never watch it. No I will watch I have. I will watch it and catch up and we'll watch it but I haven't yet wes. I thought of you is watching it because You spoke very eloquently on on the matter on our twitter show on Friday and Michael. Wilbon is a guy I think. We all Respect at one point he was one of the talking heads. And if you don't know the last dance it's a ten part. Espn documentary about Michael Jordan focusing on the last season with the Bulls but really on his whole career in life And will bond said. There's only really three guys in the history of American sport. That could you know you could do a documentary like this. That have this this this the layers that Jordan has its Babe Ruth it's Mohammed Ali in. It's Michael Jordan. Did get me thinking. Football is the most popular sport in America. It's been around forever now. It's kind of interesting that there's never been that type of guy that went next level and became the fascination that those three personalities are. I thought it was interesting to see. I had a couple of thoughts on that one that it's interesting that those three guys all came from different sports and they all came from probably the time when those sports were at their peak in popularity. Babe Ruth and twenties with baseball Mohammed Ali in the sixties boxing. And then Michael Jordan in the nineties with basketball maybe football has yet to reach its peak in popularity and we'll have that athlete who lifts the whole game up and sort of becomes that icon. That's kind of a scary thought. That football has not peaked in popularity. How much bigger can get really well the way Greg Talk and Patrick? Mahomes could be that guy he got. I don't know in part Documentary Greg. I don't know I don't know what you would have to do to transcend this sport in the world at this point now that the NFL so saturated like if Patrick Mahomes. Let's say one five. Mvp's Peyton manning did that and you wouldn't put them at that level. Look at look I guess. What would you have to do to be like Michael Jordan? I guess if if if I don't know there's something more than just like racking up trophies and racking up tight it's plain style to and Ricky has put up at the bottom of the screen. Tom Brady are you numb? There's no arguing with his success are you. What are you Wayne Campbell. Misspell Dumb Brady has played with a style that has made people people outside of football. Take note and say well. He's so exciting. I say this about Jordan like being in west at that same age where we were like fourth fifth. Sixth Grade Jordan. Was you know the sun was rising on the NBA? And I have these notebooks filled with just Michael Jordan drawings and something that was different about him than anyone else was the very truthful marketing campaign that this man could fly like. I'm a young kid falling in love with sports. And you've got the black and white ad where he's taking off from the foul line with the overlay of an airline. Taking off into the skies in the way was marketed. In the in the in the clash of Jordan and Nike and then he'd go out and do things like how many players were dropping sixty one points on the rig over and over on teams. Who's doing stuff that nobody else knew how to do or could do and I mean. He captured the imagination in a way that no other athlete did growing up for me the rag I like. There's a particular when I say that what we have stuff to get to. We should move on although it'd be fun to do an entire Michael Jordan. Nfl podcast that seems weird But when they go to France do like a charity tournament type thing before the start of the ninety seven ninety eight season. There's a headline in the French newspaper. That Michael Jordan is the closest thing we have to God or the closest thing to God. He's I think it was a reference to his high flying ability but also just how incredibly popular he was and Brady. Like to your point. Ricky as as a hugely influential in terms of like the popularity connected to the Patriots. And what he's able to do he's never really grabbed the country's now attention fascination the way a guy like Jordan and obviously Ali and and the world. The bail wasn't a forest but yes it wasn't one of the top five players at his position the first six years he was in the League so it. He's he's different but thinking about your question. Maybe it's football too much of a team sport because I know basketball is a team sport but but basketball boxing baseball. It's a place individuals I think and maybe shining in a different way. Well it's also a global thing. Babe Ruth Toward Japan in the one thousand nine hundred twenty s before airplanes were popular. You know Michael Jordan globalized basketball. Muhammad Ali met with world leaders while he was a champion boxer and my Mohammed. Ali Changed Politics around the world. So Tom Brady doesn't have that kind of power plane and Americanized Sport. Sorry Erica Keep It on mute all right a lot to get to Bob McGinnis joining us from the athletic to break down all the great draft heat. And there's so much to get to. He's the best in the business in being plugged into insiders. So it's great to have him on the show. We're looking forward to that conversation. But before that let's do some news Montana and win at any cost. Join us the most talented player in NBA by the show of the nineties. The team of the nineties. They never they speak Michael Jordan. She speaks. We created the image that people want to live up to and before the news just a reminder tomorrow big day as we get closer to the draft. Tuesday we will have the annual Mark Settler. Mock draft That will be an audio show. And also we're double dipping. The twitter show returns usually on Friday this week. It will be on Tuesday tomorrow at two. Pm Pacific Five PM Eastern. Oh and it's late night. It's fun over in the UK in Ireland and surrounding territories. What would that be? It would be ten. I believe the end. Although I know what the last time I attempted this I got twelve tweets. That we do get the tweets but we just had a tone change mate. It's never time. Stop it find it. Twitter all right. Let's get to the news here. We go mark. We're excited about that. Mock draft Let's start with Leonard for net. So Leonard Fournette we. We talked about it on the twitter show on Friday that he spoke out saying Cam. Newton would be great in Jacksonville Jacksonville. They might be okay with Cam. Newton come into the Jaguars but they also may be okay with Leonard. Fournette not being with Jacksonville rap. Sheet reported that the Jaguars had trade talks centered around for net for more than a month and they circled back with teams in the Last Three Days Aka. They're aggressively shopping the former first round pick. Espn's Jesse Anderson reports that the bucks are not expected to be a tanker. They were connected to the running back for a while but apparently that is not happening. According to Anderson Grey what kind of market does Leonard For net? Have at this stage of the game obviously has been a disappointment since coming into the league. I guess very little to possibly none He's do four million dollars this year. Can they get a conditional seventh round? Pick Forum. You think but I think that's about the area we're talking about almost thought when this is floated out because they're so sick of dealing with for net that they almost want to show them they wanNA show 'em like what the League thinks that that's all they're going to for him as a seventh round conditional the Jaguars used him as a three down back. I can't think of another franchise that would use on passing downs. He's just not that good at it. A misuse of an asset to use him on passing downs. I think he's limited in a skill set. He can get you thousand yards on first and second downs. But he's going to need tunnel to run through because he's a straight ahead runner without as much lateral agility and with Mike Garafolo pointing out that. He's been oversleeping he's been tardy. He's been moody and he was drafted by Tom. Coughlin who had a vision for a run first offense so there's a lot of negatives there is there any selling point because I mean number one. You're not looking at an NFL right now where there are a lot of running back holes the bucks were one team that you could think of them maybe adding stacking up back with them out of the picture and they seem very Zoned in on on drafting running back and catch passes out of the backfield and a Tom Brady offense. I mean Leonard. Fournette has been if anything a consistent headache and I mean involved with some of the more problematic scenarios and Jacksonville over the last three season. So he's he's a former fourth overall pick. Is he going to help you? In special teams know. Is He a guy that you could plug in depth roles of backup and expect him to be a good soldier about it? I don't know doesn't seem like that. Maybe is the safest route either has performed at a high level and given the opportunities I mean in in spurts but overall. It's not really worked out. He's a guy that might struggle to find. A job probably will get a job. But he's he's in the League at twenty twenty right. Yeah I think definitely. You're not going to give up any. You're not gonNA give stuff up for him right. He's in the journeyman portion potentially in other Jags News Marquees Lee. Another former high draft. Pick two thousand fourteen High Second Rounder. He is done with team. Jaguars released the wide receiver. He missed all twenty eighteen with an ACL. Injury played just six games last season. So he had kind of been off off the grid a little bit And now the jags cut ties with Marquees. Lee West does he make sense to you at twenty eight years old as a flyer for a team or is he just another guy. I think he's just another guy at this point. You don't want to write off career because like you said he's only twenty eight years old. It's been a lot of leg injuries. And sometimes it takes guys a couple of years before they can return to some semblance of what they were. I think he's a guy you signed. Sort of like a Jason Verita who the forty niners signed to play. Cornerback where leg injuries. Make him a complete and utter wildcard and and it's a question of whether he'll even make your team or not. They had some bad moves in Jacksonville. I just got to point out the this might be one of the worst contracts anyone side and it was partly bad luck injuries. They gave him like twenty. Five million dollars guaranteed. He had three catches combine. The last two years I mean they've had a disastrous couple years as a front office that they've skated by all right in other news. The New York giants they are picking number four over all the mock seem to have them grabbing one of the Tackles and plugging him. In as a guy in front of Daniel Jones but Yahoo Sports is Charles Robinson or excuse me NFL. Network's Ian Robb rappaport. Reports of the giants quote have spent a lot of time researching Oregon a quarterback Justin Herbert a process that's included facetime conversations with coach. Joe Judge West. You're shaking your head Do you put any stock in the idea that the giants could be interested in taking a quarterback or is this your classic draft smoke in the days leading up to the big event zero point zero stock and it's laughable and what Gettleman Dawn. He's never made a trade before and then he announces this is the year he's interested in a trade and then all of the NFL insiders come out hours later same way. We're thinking about a quarterback at number four. If you want one you'll have to trade with us. I mean come on. It's a little bit. Yeah it's a little see through. Yes desperately want someone to train. And that's about and I mentioned Yahoo Sports as Charles Robinson reported that yes. The giants have connected with Justin. Herbert and they're looking into him. He is completely certainly will not be selected him and he called it the flirtation a quote Patriots Culture Move Joe Judge has New England ties. a situation where they're kind of doing evaluation of the prospect for down the road and just to have it in the bank so not to do not put any stock into the idea that the giants can go the route of the cardinals a couple years ago or a year ago. I should say marks China Talk. But he's on mute. I was debating just letting him. Wow that that would have been problematic or better for all of you but I mean. I don't think they're the only team that does that kind of thing during the draft process. I who's actually who is buying on any level that they get a quarterback. I think nobody but there is some credence if you if anyone wants to trade for any of these passers and it seems more and more unlikely maybe you want to get up to that spot just to get ahead of everything fallen behind it but the giants could not telecast this with any less panache ultimately the news Nugget served its purpose to let you guys tee off on Dave Gentleman for no reason. So we're all good. I think there was a reason. I mean it's fun. You guys are maybe not bumble so much in. Oh and by the way we will be talking again with Bob. Mcginn in a little bit and we will certainly touch on the quarterback situations a around the draft new the New England patriots. They tagged Joe. Tony they're all pro guard and Mike Reese of ESPN believes that the path could be open to trading the Interior linemen during the draft. So -TUNI- Greg. He signed the tender three days after receiving it And people were surprised when that happened in the first place because the the widely held Thought was that he was gonna hit the open market and then Tom Brady. News kind of blew everything off the page patriots related but that was still a bit a surprise. Would you be surprised if they moved the guard now? I won't be because Mike Reese reported at him putting it out. There of all people tells me that's what they're looking to do and it it does it does make sense. It helps explain the tag. I mean he's a really good player that as a Patriots Fan. You'd love them to just resign but they have negative. They have the least cap space of any team in the league. If they wanted to do anything else they also are short on a second round draft pick because they gave away Muhammed Zanu. And it would. In retrospect kind of explain why they did this tag. Why let him go for free if you can? Maybe get a second or third in this year's draft where they feel like they might need players like right now they don't WanNa wait for a compensatory pick greg I read your general manager rankings Good piece but you have bill chick number one. What I would ask is like you explained that that was a career wide. You know look at Bill Belichick to some degree but the bill belichick of the last year or so. The team is in weird weird caps situation. They think they they left. Tom Brady totally hanging from a talent perspective last year on offense. I mean what how? What grade would you give them over? The last three hundred and sixty five days be minus. I think the draft though over the last five four years have been bad. I'M NOT GONNA kill them that they in terms of the talent that they had like a number one type of defense and a team that could win eleven and twelve games and Tom. Brady's eight forty two season like setting up last season the Sinatra though. If it's not just him being hurt and he was hurt like right after he got there that he looked like a disaster that that was a fiasco and to your point mark. Joe Tony's about the last good guy drafted I mean. They do not have like big draft hits in the last four to five years and it's been fairly spotty in terms of the draft. They've done a lot of things working around the margins little pickups here there that are contributors. And that's what they do. It hasn't been great. He's number one. No Yeah I just make the case being number one for the past forty seconds. At least how I've done that. That'S THE THIRD YEAR. I've done it. I said like they're getting graded on the total like the whole body of work in their current job. And so it's hard to. It's hard to move them off. That's about who? Who WOULD I put I? I also didn't know who to put their Brent Visa. The top five. I'm curious veto. Second WITH ANDY. Reid and I heard from a couple of people that were like. It's really Andy Reid. It's not Brett Beach. Which was interesting to me. But he gets the credit from homes. Even though Dorsey was there at the time. And then Howie Roseman is four. Kevin Colbert is three John Lynch and Schneider were there up there at five and six. Chris Ballard Chris Ballard I think is a he's he's he's up there pretty high little John Robinson in the top ten that he's Nice Nice job title titans come and yes check it out. I but the fact that you would know who who you put above them. That's fair that's fair. But I think the idea of saying goodbye to Tom Brady and then the right now. The organization is set up with jared cinnamon. Brian Hoyer is a huge hole. Left by the man in charge but then again almost see. We'll see I guess. Lie Your editor. Has You writing this before the draft out? Should we went in that direction aches? Shots fired at the edited. Well I think because you could either you can do it right before after the season. I guess would be another time. But you've gotten a feel of their last draft class. We've gotten a feel of the you know the free agency guys that side of it as well all right. Well you know what? Obviously it is a juicy topic with a lot of layers. Yeah people people don't like that Patriot. I guess I'd wait and see about their quarterback position before I kill it like whether stems any good or whether they get a I you know whether they do something to get someone. Vh Slash Andy Reid at number one. And maybe to the format to include these guys. That are the czars of their organization. I think there's there's something to be said. They're they're drafts. Have been a little weird the last few years okay. Moving on this is for. Oh by the way. The Patriots made their Color Rush Jersey their primary jerseys effective today. Great so congratulations on that. I love popular move in other news back to the Jaguars what. I don't know what's going on with organizations Yana God as one of the best defensive player's Defensive Linemen In the AFC and he wants out. He's frustrated that the jags of yet to trade him and all that bubbled over on Monday When he went on social media and challenged the Jaguars to get a deal done at a Jacksonville. And in one of the things that you would have never happened. And there'd be no way for it to happen Ten twenty years ago it led to a back and forth back and forth with one of the team builders so I will play the role of Yannick and gateway and Marc. Will you play the role of Tony? Kahn yes I won't ECON friend of the show. He's he's spoken with us before the owners meetings he is the What is his role exactly? He's owner of football and charge a football analytics at the Jaguars according to his twitter profile. Okay shod Khanna's father EDP. Now Yeah I. That's what I thought and I was just going off the twitter both profile But that sounds right west here. We go JANACEK HASHTAG. Freon no answer at Tony Kahn. Stop Hiding Mo all right now. This from Tony Connie responds. He says I'm not in hiding sir. I'm an isolation getting ready for the draft. I've been pretty active on social media relation. But you wouldn't know that since you on followed me in parentheses again. That mean where the dude runs by holding his face and all this crazy. Okay since you're feeling might today what since you'll feel in my today. Let's both at the world. In on the truth we had a discussion at the chargers. Game was my last game. You try to back to all the situation without answering any of my calves calls shaking my head you spoiled. Bra Holding up people for no reason clown emoji. It's a new regime here sir. I think our I thank you from the bottom of my heart for all of the contributions you made. That said tweeting insults. Me Won't get you traded any faster. Only good trade compensation will do that. Please redirect your efforts into a more productive outlet and you'd think it would be over at some point but it keeps going straight. I don't need the speech. And then a Emoji of a finish line like a checker flag and then Khan hits them up again. Show me the compensation. I'm sure you're really driving up the price today. Btw Biden way out. And that's and that's Kinda where things ended so this grisly. I don't think this is really the method that any team executive should be Going down but also you know I was a big George Steinbrenner fan of Steinbrenner had twitter. He would have been doing stuff like this all the time so I guess I can't get on a high horse West. What are your thoughts on it? It's not very smart on Yongin. Gok Part it's leading emotion. Do the work of reason if you're trying to do a trade don't sabotage your own value in such a public way just lighting fire to your trade value and putting the Jaguars in a very poor spot. I think it just. It's just not smart. As far as a means to an end. I think you would hurt his value too much. I think there's GonNa be a lot of interest in the teams on. Tv after get rid of him didn't hurt Jalen Ramsey and differ like teams understand. He wants to get out. I was more taken by the little sentence. And I've seen a little bit this in Jacksonville. It's a new regime please. I mean the same people who hired Tom. Coughlan are running the place. The same general managers. There is running the place. The same coach has been there since since Blake Bortles was on the team. Let's let's I killed confidence about as much as anyone else. Let's quit on like A. It's every it's everything is Tom. Gov COFFINS FAULT COME ON K. Call the new regime if it's not a new regime if the coaches there in the GM's they're not a new regime. I can't think of a team with more unhappy players that it just it just seems to be a stockpile of discord and one of the weirder off seasons around also. I enjoy the INCAS ACCENT. Really cranking up as as it went along accent. Would you say that? I don't know it's kind of like a is kind of like maybe a significant other of the quiches mom impression. Maybe I don't Caribbean overtone street. Heavy I don't know that's that's interesting. I guess everybody hears it in their own way. That's what's happening in the news. All right as we promised this is somebody that we're so thrilled to talk to. Because in a lot of ways you could refer to him as the dean of American draft. Insiders that that's how I see him. He's Bob Mcginn This is his thirty six year Working on his NFL draft series. You could read them right now. At the athletic previously at the Green Bay Press Gazette the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel a had his own website for a little bit now. He's up the Athletic Bob. Welcome to the around the NFL POCKETS. Were so excited to get educated by the dean. Thanks for having me I this. We're all big fans because there's no way to prepare for the draft from our standpoint without reading your work and this year especially I'm like taking note of some of these quotes that you get Bob there so juicy there so salacious. Do you think you've been around the game long enough and you obviously are highly respected in this realm both as a football writer in general on a columnist and and in this particular realm that these scouts and these GM's in these personnel guys. Want to impress you like they want to give you the quote and they feel proud to give you one that shows up your copy. I don't know if it's that but I mean these are long conversations with most guy people you know. They go out of their out of their way to spend a lot of time with me and So there's all kinds of you know garbage in the middle of these conversations but in these capsules I write The stuff I I have a Lotta material to choose from and and it's I usually try to get the quotes with some punch you know and you do it every time it makes it such a fun read so we're GonNa spend through some of the position groups and like a like. Bob said he breaks it down by position group and again if you don't have a subscription. I think the athletic is it for free right now. I think it might be so. Make sure you're eating this and if that doesn't Hook you I don't know what will but let's start with the quarterbacks and it's fascinating in all the people that you spoke to when you spoke to a many many many Plugged in people in the industry. Joe Borough is by far the best prospect out there and everyone expects him to go to Cincinnati at one two as the guy that that jumps out to. Everybody is the big wild card. And after reading your piece on this Bob. It is an absolute mystery to me. you spoke to Personnel guys Ten on the high end of scale of the scale in terms of concern level one to ten And the average of the panel seven point six And here's one of those juicy quotes. I tell I'm talking about there. Is Concerned serious? Concern about the durability said a high place personnel man for an NFC team the ankle. The hip the size. You name it. It's hard because you can't get your hands on them This this does feel like one of the biggest wildcards in recent memory at the quarterback position but I agree totally. I mean not that long ago I mean still. I guess the narrative out there is that he you know he might be thirty. Detroit or somebody come on. Come into that spot. I just don't know I don't I didn't sense that at all in these conversations You know he's got his. Nfl Passer rating for his career would come to one thirty eight point one and it's just remarkable is. There's never seen any that kind of officiency unless borough this year. Nfl Passer rating one. Forty three point seven but You know we played with fantastic receivers and on and on and on but in terms of the durability he takes shots he doesn't protect themself. I covered Brett Farr for his entire career and he would be recoiling after he'd throw it. I mean he took a lot of shots but he was never injured. He knew how to take a hit. Aaron Rodgers the same way I mean. He adopted a sliding posture after about his third or fourth year. And you know he's escaped injury but two has not done that he's getting drilled and people estimate is forty between four eight five and four nine. He's six foot. Even he strongly built. But boy there's red flags all over on this durability you had three teams had off the board entirely. Yeah Yeah now you know. It's easy for them to say because you know two of them. Had you know a quarterback that they're not going to be dealing with that easy to say but still yeah? I do wonder with him. Because I think it's gotten lost. The you know you had surgeries on both of his ankles. And he's a guy who's used. You don't even hear any concerns about his height which I think shows how much quarterback strange I mean. He's six foot. Tall is maybe not as athletic as some of the highly drafted How much how much of this with him potentially slipping do you think is about his game and his game style and that like he's not a guy with a big arm who's not necessarily above average athletically and yes these injuries so as someone who doesn't follow the college game and I and I know the numbers are outrageous. And he's known as a great leader in everything that's why he will get drafted high. But that's not the profile of many guys that we've heard getting drafted early injury. Prone you know shorter and and not necessarily like a difference maker athletically. No it isn't he. fantastic release right and But again he had all these clear window throws People wide open and things like that and he would drill the ball and they're you know we all saw it and it was It was like a shooting gallery But again his picks came when there was pressure of scouts. Don't feel he really handled the pressure. Well he's short. I mean it's hard to see over that certainly He's a great system and great players all around them tremendous offensive line I just don't see it. I mean in talking all these people. It just doesn't ring you know he doesn't ring like a top ten or twelve guys. You Guide even despite the durability issues. It just doesn't mean when I started this about a month ago or five weeks ago I was expecting more but boy in the inflection of these voices. It's not there. One thing that I love about. Your capsules is in the time of reading them. It doesn't take long at the top half. I fall totally in love with quarterback based on the positive glowing comments from scouts. But then in the back half. I'm suddenly terrified of the player and I. I just wonder when you're when you're putting these together and you've been doing it for so long. You got a guy like Joe Borough in across the board and you know the the. The comments were exceedingly positive in kind of stuff we've never seen before about a player's ability to process. There's a little bit of that with some of the other guys too. But do you have a pretty fair level of suspicion about any type of quarterback at this point having done. It's Long I look at a guy like Justin. Herbert who people are talking about. Someone may be trading up for but there's the personality stuff every one of these guys seem to have something That would be in. The area of Red Flag are you. Do you look at like Joe. Borough for instance to someone that is truly different than prospects that have come down the pike previously. Let me just mention this. You know a Lotta. People accused me of being negative in my writing on the draft. But guys if you were inside those draft rooms. It's a lot more brutal than the way I write it. I mean this is their livelihood. The future these franchises and they are. They're not worried about being politically correct. And he's draft rooms they are ripping they are praising. They are going back and forth debating. Arguing with each other. It gets intense. And so you know you're right the way they give you the good early and then but then there's strength and then there's weaknesses. I'm just trying to be realistic and honest. And take people inside where these people you know real people the decision makers in the area scouts and whoever talking so back to burrow I don't see many negatives from anybody on borough. Yeah you know. It's sort of a one year wonder but I mean this was such a one-year wondering he wasn't that bad as a junior either I talked to a lot of people trying to compare them. Okay the the wreck on the level of Oh some people bring up. Andy Dalton. Some people I said well as as good as Stafford Carson Wentz They kinda paused. Some say yes some say no but then another guy one of the last people I talked to he said. Oh Man way above that stuff way about Stafford and Ryan you said. He's in there with Peyton manning and Rogers anybody you WANNA name. Yeah so there is just They love. This guy is a as as a kid. We handle themselves anti throws it well enough and he's got good size thirty. You know high test score hands though small hands though come on the biggest hands in recent memory was mark Sanchez for the record. So let's out they ten and a half while five one of the things we get from from your articles is how much the. Nfl changes from year to year and we see quotes about stationary players. Can't get drafted anymore. Nose tackles. There's a guy one of your quarterbacks Jalen hurts who from reading it I I sort of get a taste. Some hill sense the team. See Him as a football player. And a guy you want in your building but not necessarily as a starting quarterback is that sort of it. Do you see him as a guy who's GONNA TASTE THEM? He'll like roll. Y- that's interesting comparison hadn't thought of that that makes some sense though I would agree with that that he's kind of a backup. Maybe Gadget Guy Special Teams. Whatever but he threw it so well at the combine without pads on his shoulders and against air and everything but he looked like a real passer that day. Oh Hill yeah maybe he you know you purchase a terrific runner and you know you love the kid and the transfer and the way he handled all that. I like them Seems like about a third round and maybe can have a good career doing a lot of things. Bobby Matt you mentioned job. Borough you think kind of checks all the boxes. Maybe you know not the biggest army in the world but he makes so many plays off structure that I could imagine. Every team is going to be confident. And but then you look at the rest of the LSU team. And I do under like talking to the scouts how much they are trying to account for. How ridiculously dominant. That offense was that it almost felt like Joe Brady. Was there running appro offense? And they were going up against a a lower level of college coaches that guys and I'm specifically talking about Justin Jefferson like they're running back to Edward Teller that he's so open all the time in the productions just off the charts but when you watch Jefferson and in some of the other lsu players is there like a concern that it's just the scheme like creating these numbers in Jefferson especially compared to all those other receivers out there isn't maybe as special or unique just as an individual town to a degree. There is but then guys when I start talking about chase and Jefferson that Marshall Guy and the running back then they say yeah but Bob Look at that offensive line he said yeah the centers. Okay but you know and the left tackle was an athlete. Who got suspended said the other three guys. There wasn't all that much there. He said that's why he had to scramble and move. He said he you know he looked like Brady kind. I'm negotiating the pocket climbing. So I you know yeah. Supporting cast was I mean. Great on at the skill positions but not real great upfront in the wide receiver. Group Bob. There there's a quote you have near the top of your Capsule this is maybe the deepest wide receiver group said a longtime AFC personnel man. But as far as like a Julio Julio Jones or Calvin Johnson absolutely not. I've seen it in some places. And just a you know. Baba Sherry plugged in on on me and my career in this podcast. A MiG jets fan and so with the jets sitting at eleven Cd-rom is a guy that our our friend people's friend Daniel. Jeremiah has going to them but when you keep in mind a quote like that and the idea that this is such a deep wide receiver class. Do you buy into the theory out there that it would be a mistake to be taking a wide receiver in that ten to twelve thirteen range. When you could get another need higher end player perhaps and then get a still equality wide receiver later in the draft in the second or third round. Because we're talking serious step share. Yes I do I do There's a lot of balance and you can. You're going to get them from a thirty two eighty ninety something like that. They're going to be really good players but still guys. Don't you think somebody from this? These top ten or eleven people are going to be very close to Julio Jones or Calvin Johnson. I just Kinda do. Somebody's going to emerge here and I don't know who it is but there's enough talent on this board to think there's GonNa be one real shining light and all these teams are thinking that too so if they pass and they go take tackles who are you know okay serviceable and all that. But if they pass the guy they totally believe in We know the game is Scoring now and it's perimeter based game. Pass that guy you might regret it. Yeah I mean you could see why if you're a guy like Jon Gruden or something that the some of these wideouts are just too tantalizing to move on but there are in that cluster of the jets and Browns and other clubs with real legitimate offensive line tackle needs and I can't remember a draft where there were so many Top Ten. I you know fifteen. Pick projections of tackles. That are clustered together and coming out of this project. Did you view tackles as clearly better than the others or did anyone particularly scare you because for me for us jumping in and it just seemed like a big stack of guys and like what's the differentiator here and there were those top. Four in my. I've never had such a close poll on the top four We're almost on top of each other. Seventy eight seventy five. Seventy one and seventy one point You know I mean Ezra. Cleveland has a chance to get in the first round. He's really good pass blocker. He's been compared by one scholar to David Bahktiar Ian Brian blog. The team I covered for years so And Austin Jackson I mean. He donates his bone marrow to his sister and you know he pays the price his final year at USC but he's a lot better than he showed We know about the other ones I mean there are other guys. I can't say who's GONNA come out of it. I certainly like Robert Hunt a lot to movie. And whether it's a guard or tackle It's a good group but beyond your draft series. We read your packers game recaps as well and they're very good. I think out of all the guys I've read over the years you come the closest to a style. That's like Dr Z. Paul Sit Paul Zimmerman. Is that something that you did on purpose? Was he a role model or is that just a coincidence? I mean that's basically how I learned to write. Then I'm subscriber. Sports illustrated since I was about eight and I read every issue. I save those issues for forty years when I eventually moved. I had to get rid of them all. But and that's where I think the writing was so beautiful and the editing was phenomenal that That's where all of us learn to write really I certainly admired Paul. I knew him a little bit. Not a lot I'll mention another guy who influenced me to Jerry Green of the Detroit News He would write for street and Smith's every year the NFC central preview. And I was Grew up in Michigan's upper peninsula. And I've told Jerry this. He had an entirely different style. It was way way early for his time and he was a lot like Paul Berman And he was analytic when nobody else was and so I love. Jerry's covered every Super Bowl. And he influenced me quite a bit For our listeners. Who Haven't heard me you know. Honk about DR Z. In the last couple years of it's been that long like the the thinking man's guide to football to me is still the best book on football. At least if you're a young writer you're getting to the Biz on how to think about football even if you don't right and it's a it's hard to imagine the the type of book coming out and Marcus showing the video to me of a a nice look. I addition it's hard to imagine someone getting the access that he had. But just even the way to think about the game There's nothing better wall. We're on the topic though of these game. Recaps Bob before we let you go. I gotta ask you about Aaron Rodgers. Because you're you're tough on him. Sometimes I feel I don't know what your relationship. How is your relationship with Aaron Rodgers right now? Good starting point? I haven't seen him in a couple of years so I'm not sure I'm I'm just curious Where you see him right now because it's obviously when you get a reputation like someone like Rogers and you have the high end play. You mostly just hear all positive positively especially from a national level. But there's a certain school thinking you've been writing about it. Certainly that he has not been the same player the last three or four years. I guess I just be curious before you go like where you see. He is now Compared to to where he was earlier in his career you know some people. Think you slip physically. I don't one bit. He's a workout. Maniac in the off season takes care tremendous care of his body. I do not think he slept physically. I think his arm is fine. I don't see any problems with any of that. But you just gotTa do it. You know and I mean he's got a good enough supporting cast. You've got one one fantastic receiver. And you know he's add. You got a great running back. I mean yeah. The other wideouts tight ends weren't very good this year but the old line was real solid. So you know supporting cast come and go. And he has to make people better. He can take them to the super bowl any year. He hasn't been there in about a decade. I mean it's time really and He's certainly one of the ten best. Qb's in the League without you know any doubt and there's a lot of good qb's in this league and he had his team in the NFC title game last year. He just has to do it. Let me connect some DOTS THEIR BOB. So you say physically. He's the same exact guy his supporting cast. It's a little bit overstated That he's in some type of a disadvantage Position because he does have some big time players. Is it coaching? That's kept his production more pedestrian in recent years Is it the mental side of things? Is that off the field? Is there anything else that you can add on kind of your feeling on where Rogers has been the last couple years compared to that peak in the beginning of last decade and certainly hasn't been coaching? I mean Mike McCarthy if he told me this once he told told me twenty times his goal was to make the quarterback look great. That was his entire goal coach number one objective and he built everything around Rogers and floors on the same thing. The system is made to order for Aaron Rodgers. And he is a good player and he just has to get back to a great level he knows his his mind his ability to process. Everything is you know beyond incredible. Really he can throw accurately he can still scramble at age thirty six But for some reason he just hasn't really done it here. Played really well a little bit little stretches but for the last five or six years. It's not been consistently Elite good answer. Thank you so much for your time Bob and again the dean of American draft insiders. That's what I call him. Bob Mcginn and you could read them at the athletic. The athletic is a subscription service. But Not right now during this cove in nineteen madness and speaking of that. Bob Hope all is well with you and your family and you stay well and we hope to hear from you again soon. We'll be reading you in the meantime. Thanks very much guys take care. Thanks Bob that was great Bob. Mcginn Nice Guy. He he he to me falls in the category of in this is a. This is a narrowing. Group Gentlemen Scribe. He just seemed like an incredibly warm Gentle individual who is sitting on way more football information than most men in America he wrote. Go ahead I was GONNA say he wrote a great book to is like a super bowl book where talked to players played in each super bowl. I recommend that he speaks quietly. But you know carries a big stick underneath all of that like he's going to let you know what he thinks we get some interviews with him. He's an opinionated guy like way more opinionated than show before he was very nice and genial though and we get this question all the time on twitter and and things of that nature had I get into the business had a Get involved what do I have to do to put myself in position to be find success while doing things like reading? Bob Begins Columns finding the people that are the best of what they do in terms of how they follow the sport and just reading guys like him. There's there's a tip for a check it out all right big week like we said Monday. Show in the books tomorrow. Tuesday the twitter show live and also the mark settler mock draft Marquis. Ready FOR THAT I. Am You know I? This thing is changing by the minute. I don't know how to describe it on the fact that I thought I would spend just a little bit of time on it. It is an all consuming project that is a long way to go get ready well. Fluid Fluid That's coming up Tuesday Wednesday. We're GONNA do some sandwich props connected to the draft also and it's been two years in the making spice rack returns with his predictions on the guys who will hit in a big way kind of five guys. That spicy believes in okay. We've Jonathan Williams in the past. Good Luck we've had. We've had some species has issues in the past in the segment. Sometimes he's shined and then sometimes he's cratered so that's one of the things that are exciting about this spice rack in parts. Unknown like the ultimate warrior Sharing his draft hot takes remember the year. He just wouldn't give us we'll do it. He came on and then he decided I'm not going to give you buy sleepers a volatile individual. I was unprepared. Or he was making some type of statement like or maybe it was like a punk rock. Type move. I I'll never know you say he's going to give us five names. It could be eight names and it could be one or not. You'll get what you get. It really makes you like spicy coming back to the around the NFL podcast on Wednesday Thursday. The draft of course we will be recording immediately upon the completion of the first round with a show going up that night and then we'll have another show that show will stand for Friday and then we'll have another show wrapping up the whole draft that we will record on Saturday night and get up soon as possible. So that's our draft. We coming up. Dan heads the signing off for quiet storm. The mailman the old boss. Rick Hollywood. Thank you Bob again until.

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2001 Week 13: Patriots vs Browns

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

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2001 Week 13: Patriots vs Browns

"This is Christine Brown. And while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty. You have the choice. Not My sons and of course Michael sometimes say some naughty things trying to be funny but really just being stupid. You still want to listen. Go RIGHT AHEAD. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the pages dynasty podcast. You made it to week thirteen. Well we have not sure anybody's listening anymore. But we have a special guest with us today but before we get to him. We have Mike and Greg on the show tonight. Snow Steve. How're you doing? Fantastic darn well. I should let one at a time. I knew better or graceful also with us we have Connor Ireland's who to me sounds like a name of Conor McGregor in an off licence. Mma game but I assure you he's not connor. How's IT Goin'? While I think my name kind of sounds like someone who grew up as an Irish kid who's cheered for the patriots for burned tire life back during the The Ben Coates drew bledsoe or those other guys. There's other guys guys huge fan fan grant back in those days. I don't know at Greg Remembers this. 'cause he's just a one but The Boston Globe used to do a poster of a specific player every Sunday night and no one had been more than coats posters on their walls Than I did so Greg Fuck with me when you can remember. Nineteen ninety-six is. I know I can't hang them up at market basket. That's right yeah coming on the market that states every every Sunday there is a little poster in the back of the Sunday globe a specific player and I used to cut them out in ate them on my wall so I think I had those up in my walls to remember those honor of you ever seen my scrapbook. The kid who had the the the Patriots shrine in his bedroom for in series. I scrapbook this wholesome. Let me guess you're patriots? Shrines started in. What two thousand three two thousand four do pre Brady? Yeah I scrub. Brady's first start he did so. Don't come at me so two thousand two thousand one got it. Yup All right so now that the Dick Measuring contest is over. How about we get to this. Football game boy. I didn't even join the Dick Measuring contests you would you? Would you like to Chime in? About how big your patriots tickets? This later all right So this is like we said earlier week. Thirteen of the two thousand one season the Cleveland browns coming to visit foxboro stadium with the gratuitous shots of Gi field in the backgrounds. Browns were actually good for the browns. This year I guess come into the game. They were six and five which was more wins than they had in the previous two seasons combined where they went to wins and then three wins. Unfortunately they would finish the season. Seven and nine missed the playoffs. Typical Brown chip well. It aircraft is so great. You know what did he win? A Heisman. The great white hope for the ground. Well they were talking about him. As what the heisman winner or something in this game but yeah. This was still this pre crisis. Was Tim couch couch. Yes sorry he. I felt so bad for Tim Couch in this game. We'll get to that in a bit but he he struggled. He was sacked fifty one times a season. I think yeah. We touched on most sacked players in the league history. And I'm pretty sure this was on that list in the top or twenty whatever it was some seventies on what's his face was talking about as far and away car. Yes yeah yeah expansion on yeah that's true. Yeah so head. Coach was Butch Davis which is fucking fantastic name. An never beat. The Patriots Path went to an against him. Some other notable coaches on the same though. They're actually like some who's who of future hair coaching failures. I thought the offense to Bruce Arians is probably the most successful of the mall. Yep head coach Carlo five years and is now currently the head coach of the buccaneers him of James Winston fame. I like clarity. I think he's a good coach. Yeah but wasn't he the guy that talked about like USA drink paint as a kid that make that up? I'll stab check. I feel like there was some quote about him. Somewhere about emily eating paint chips or like drinking picked. Bruce Arians said on serious today that he had to get his stomach pumped twice when he was younger breaking paint so not once but twice twenty seventeen. Yeah I thought so. Secondary coach on the team with Todd. Bowles the old jets head coach. Remember him and we liked plan against him. The pages were eight and one against todd. Bowles coach jets teams. What happened on that loss I don't know I've taught my head but my guess is probably like a week. Seventeen three year. Backups in Game Yeah. He's alright yeah well actually no wasn't that Todd Bowles Who was jets quarterback after After Sanchez I think like the Virginia or Virginia. Tech Guy What's his name was. Quincy Carter is not Quincy Carter. Gino Smith thank you. Yeah yeah she knows Smith Aaron. Having John West Virginia. But who's okay it's enough. Yeah so I think that was during those days and those one game where Gino Smith just went off randomly and beat the Patriots. That was point that one. I think I'm assuming that was todd. Bowles 'cause I mean. They've had a lot of dark moments. But Todd Bowles is one of the darker ones And then the secondary coach was our old friend. Chuck Pagano in History Right. Yeah it was because he is the swinging gate fake punt. Chuck Pagano Right. Oh yeah okay. The greatest play in special teams mystery. Oh so hang on was taught. No and I was hoping that Todd Bowles was the coach of the Buffalo Game. But that's can you hear me? I can hear you now. Yeah Okay Yeah I just I Just hopped onto my zoom meeting. My my air pods are connected to the zoo meeting. So we're locked and loaded continue. We'll leave that in fuck it. That's what I'm saying So I I took a quick look at the. The roster of this team tried to put together a list of people that even like you may have heard of and only two people that. I'd heard of Tim Couch and Phil Dawson the kicker the other names. I didn't recognize you. Don't Remember Gerard Warren. The the defensive linemen that played for like twenty seven years. You don't remember earl little the safety then it's north ring. A bell. Sure his Bellary Kevin Giant. I had no idea but he was great. By the way I just want to point this out I have the zoom APP because I use it for work every time Greg Talk. It says Kelly Brown when he speaks. Yeah so I just I just want that on. I want that on record Greg Greg you know what I'm I'm a modern man. He actually took her first name and she took his last name so they both Kelly Brown. Oh Shit that is. It's fucking me up. Every TIME GREG talks it says. Kelly Brown is speaking. And you know it it makes sense. I did recognize Corey Fuller. I think but I don't know if that's because you had a good game in this game or are you thinking of the wide receiver Corey Filler. That was actually on the browns a couple years ago That could be a two. It's a different corey fuller. Yeah apparently Jomar Miller was like a pro bowl for seem all pro linebacker And he looked the part but still never heard them. Don't remember him and one is just A. Who's who of just failures in terms of Brown's defense this is what bothers me as a guy named Wali Rainer. That had thirteen tackles that game. I'm upset that I have never heard of a guy named Wali Rainer. Nope none of these guys. Because yeah I'm putting all the league. They're leading running back with James Jackson. One never heard of two. He finished with five hundred fifty four rushing yards never heard of him either leading rusher on this team are the reason why is because of the whole relocation. Yes so yeah because that just happened recently. The new Brown's new Brown's resume play in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine two years back into their brand new. Yes is essentially. I can't believe so wait. I CAN'T BELIEVE. Bill gave up on a franchise like us. It's really mind. They gave up on him. Yes I did. Give up on him. He wanted to stick around. Yeah did you hear how it went down? I think so. I've heard a few different versions of what you've heard. So belichick makes the playoffs right now. woman five the next year. They're like it's week five. Enacts when art modell he like decides he's going to announce that they're moving at steam the middle of the season right right Lou team croissant on the season. Of course they wish beans at year end. Dumbbell chicks gone but then that also plays into the jet situation because people should on ballot check for bailing on the jets position but if people remember back then there was also an ownership change or was at least rocky because they didn't know if they're going to sell the team and so. I'm pretty sure Bella check into WANNA be a head coach for the second time and then have the T. Movers from Jenky crap happens so you know it looked pretty bad but if we if we look back at history I think it's a you know understandable moves and I think you can also point out the fact that the last coach to take the Browns to a playoff victory is still to this day. Bill Belichick true beating our New England patriots. Actually in that playoff game. Imagine imagine this podcast by the browns long. We should START THAT GREG. Bowman you browns on Brown's that name can just go back and just shit on the round starting in two thousand one. Thank you got the name of the PODCAST. It's called Shit Brown beauty that not in Santo that imagine being a browns fan near like you. You WanNA start a podcast. This one I was like. Oh my God. There's so much longevity. You start with Tom. Brady's first game and you have nineteen years. It's like we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA have a podcast forever you do the Brown Like well we're done all right. When do you even start with that? Thank thanks for coming back. You guys want to cover some of those nineteen sixty Jim Brown games. Let's go blame anyway. I would be would be tough to cover because I don't think they had. Tv back then to find video that you can't look this up but imagine Jim Brown breaking a tackle of one hundred eighty pound linebacker that you've never heard of the visual part time mechanic while also playing for Auto Green Lost Four year twenty seven. This is sounding better and better by the second nine Brownstone Brown's I'm telling you wait for that spin off. I can feel it want something. That's how we expand our audience. Andy absolutely yeah. The browns fans and patriots fans there to audiences ripe for the picking ashore. Not that I think there's many browns fans left probably but I don't know they do need a boost for those left all right so maybe it. Maybe we'll bring our massive star power to the browns as well. I can't wait by the way anyway. Browns go ahead. This is just a side note. I got Text confirmation tally Banta. Cain is ready to join the PODCAST. Starting in two thousand and three so we have some ground on makeup. He did tell me that I would be allowed to ask him on air. How Big Tom? Brady's Dick is so. Can we get two thousand and three as soon as possible? I have some things to ask us all right. I like this guy. He's Riggins a big table here. I've got some questions asked tally Banta. Cain about Kelly Brown actually fell. Yep So yeah we definitely have to have him on the podcast from the rumors exactly. Yeah if he knows what was it called the credit cards credit cards flight. Yeah Okay so. We'll tease that for fucking two seasons from now. Christian for a so that Tom. Brady's nickname was driftwood. Tommy and I wanNA know what exactly he means by Driftwood. Like what are we talking here? Yeah that's kind of ambiguous. You think that's GonNa come out like when Brady retires because it's soft and smooth. I don't I don't think breaking news Tom. Brady's Dick is the size of a log that had been out at sea for three years. What they call that that big Dick Energy is that what it is. It's true. Yeah yeah he's got that big Dick Energy seems that way I'm along cock. Greg dresses him for for Halloween. Really anatomically correct. You've got all right. Speaking of speaking to big dicks. Let's talk about. Let's talk about a boy tim couch. I feel like we should probably start with him. Because for some reason I remember seeing highlights of this I think is like when I was putting together the website and all the highlights are basically tim couch getting just absolutely the shit kicked in. It's the fact that he survived this football game kind of surprised me can couch running for his life. He went twenty four twenty nine twenty thirty nine in this game first. Pass attempt like to set the tone of his game. Second play from scrimmage drives back and I think it was tedy Bruschi just puts his face right in his chest as he's throwing the ball and turns into adopting gets picked off like literally second play the Game Jones without exactly went downhill from there. It was not great and then he actually had one drive. That was good and he got all the way down in the first Corrigan. All the way down and then threw a touchdown on third down but even got overturned though. It's just not his day. Well I don't know if it was necessarily his fault. Because they were part parts of the game and is looking like Steve Young around slinging it the problem is is that he was getting smashed in the replay. So it's hard to tell if it was like his faults or in the line didn't help for sure I don't know if that guy ever got like a fair shake in his game I don't even know shaking career know exactly when his bracket by an expansion team I overall right and then you five years in the end up only how crowded games and five season all at the brass so he never even got that like every you know first pick overall boss always gets at second third fourteen. You'd never happen for him. That's crazy I never knew that. It's true aisin. Also he was responsible for one to four turnovers in that game. Three picks and a forced fumble a My boy to Bucky. What a NAM by the way donahue responsible for that though maybe he recovered the fumble. I'm sorry you're talking about smoking John. I thought you're talking about Tim Couch Couch. Come couch was responsible for four turn. I mean he was involved in four turnovers in that game three picks and completed the past. That was fumbled. That's what it was to Bucky had a pick and a forced fumble in that game was ablaze because North. Korea literally got knocked. The fuck out as he was like Africa hot the ball. That's so bad I love it. I should've should've cut anywhere but north. You're absolutely correct for a second there. I thought you said self cut and I thought that was what I thought know but the guy is trying to make plays so of course every once in a while it's GonNa sail on them or whatever but I mean he was pretty much the only playmate you're on this deal. They had nobody. The there was nothing because I mean even one of those interceptions he hit the Guy Straight in the hands of just bobbled it and it was picked off by which defensive line while pleasant ended up with the interception. It was it. Was Anthony Pleasant. Yeah for probably his only ever interception of his career. I have to guess Stech. There's there's so many there's so many names on this path defense that just God I fucking I love those early teams in turn like Anthony. Pleasant work we'll get to Roman phifer later Maybe the mobile under. Maybe the most underrated Patriots Defensive Player. Like the early two thousand. There's some great. There's some fucking great man Patrick Pass. Who's what our full-back had three tackles in that game. God He must have just been doing work on either kickoff curve punt pass special teams yeah and patching pass again pleasant queer such to allow your sacks I mean. They seem defensive end but he didn't feel like a defensive end. How does this still happen where you have like your three main linebackers? And they're all they all have like ten plus tackles in a game. Does that still happen in the NFL or on the peaches? 'cause I'm looking at Roman Phifer Mikey braids and Teddy ice cold and they all had ten plus tackles in this game and its like. Does that even happen in the NFL anymore? When you have three linebackers on a field anymore with how spread and things are like you'll have to and then you'll have like a an extra safety. Come down in the box or something like that. You know like Atra trunks on with a an extra d beyond their Roman Phifer was definitely one of those like hybrid outside linebacker. Like an Elvis. Do More like Duma bill or you know like not a not a traditional linebacker especially in today's Day and age but I'm looking at it right now and it's like Pfeiffer Bruschi in eleven sort of that sort of free hybrid. Yep Yeah I did catch the when. You're talking about underrated players on his defense. They the commentators at one point like all I think. The most underrated players on his defenses. Tedy Bruschi I thought of all the people you can defense. I don't know if he's the one I would've pulled out but maybe he wasn't referencing that he was like a Use a backup before there were injuries so I think he he was under it in two thousand one two thousand one and he probably wasn't underrated underused linebacker on the team. He probably didn't come into his own. You didn't start seeing like tedy. Bruschi throwing up the snowballs during the Snow Game. Like into like the two thousand and three thousand four was two thousand three two thousand four era Tedy. Bruschi wasn't like an everyday starter glow above them on the depth chart until he got. Yeah thought I thought until I'm just looking up right this second statue now. These and ninety nine two thousand both years he had one hundred and eight tackles arts so these I know but I mean that's what I thought too especially the way that we're talking about him about his young up and comer but I mean he'd been on the team since ninety six apparently. Yeah didn't start many games until ninety nine we started. He started fourteen games on then sixteen games year year or the before and this one. That's weird you're right. They were kind of almost like they never discovered them. I mean to be fair the Patriots were obscure anyway so maybe it was just that they were getting a little bit better and they noticed him. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah I mean I will say Tedy Bruschi man. I don't know if there's been another linebacker that just flies around tackler. No tackle usually not tackling. But he's flying offscreen to somewhere and I've never seen anybody else doing like him. I think that's one of my favorite things to to remember from from these teams. Is that that picture of Tedy Bruschi just running at like on a blitz inches running at the guy running back that steps up to to block them. You just lose tries to jump over every time clip in the legs but still just like his body hurdles into the into the quarterback and inches knocks them over like feet fire. Some bullshit all right you guys have two seconds to respond what position where did Tedy Bruschi to go to college? What position did he play Arizona? Yes he he was a tight end though wasn't he? He was the safety. I'm pretty sure don't quote me on that but a- ITS ON AIR ON RECORD. I'm sure he was a safety and Arizona with the point being though he's massively under size he's always just been a fucking bowling ball. Hey apparent six one to forty seven which not huge for I mean. Well I mean nowadays linebacker I think of kind of gotten smaller in general because they have to be quicker but in this two thousand one day and age where everybody was just bigger in general it seems like I mean you look at the tight ends of these games and they all look the same size of Rob Gronkowski. They're just basically an extra hands. Everybody lowered in like just a little bit. Yeah the game wasn't about speed. It was about size. Because didn't them. Then Bob parcels have some common about He he built big teams because as the season goes on fast teams get slower but big teams never get any smaller or something like that also probably get slower so this is true but they started slow so it doesn't matter so closes right the size. The size never changes. I guess that's true. The best part cells quotas about being able to pick the groceries when he went to the cowboys. Like you like. I want to take the groceries and I couldn't. It's like Amen. And that's one thing about bill that's why never leaving the pats. Bill gets to pick the groceries in fucking Robert Kraft signs the checks. Bill builds his fucking like obscure team where people were like. How is this going to work? And it's the same way that this isn't going to really blow your mind. The same way her brooks built the nineteen eighty. Us Olympic team that built the Russia's like how is this going to work? And you gotta you just gotTa Fuck with division. You've gotta fuck with vision and that for you to have a system. Yeah that's I mean. I think that's a surprisingly apt analogy from and what that quote was about You know he parcells upset because he was forced to draft Terry Glenn and speaking of Cherry Glen. This season nicely done a hell of a segue actually finally played in this game The Boston Globe had articles that? We like the whole thing was. Will he actually play or not? 'cause they settled their differences or some bullshit and he was kind of healthy. But did you actually see? They showed the clip of we talked about it last week before about the interview that he gave where he basically said Yeah I'm hurt because I'm not getting paid and I'm not GONNA pay from. I'm going to be hurt. Sort of bullshit right. He said I did want to be part of the Patriots. Yes D I D did. Because we're his outfit on. That was phenomenal. He is style you so had. He had the corn rows. Which I'm assuming we're thing back in two thousand one. I'm just GonNa Guess Stylish Manso ever heard of Alan Iverson. Andy Young Man. I'd say that corn rains where thing back in two thousand and one. I don't I don't follow Alan Iverson's hairstyle career in terms of times when we had one we only had one. That's that's all we ever had. You had the corn rows and then he had those like. I don't even know how you described the sunglasses. Almost like clear reflective sunglasses that were like wraparound sunglasses. Let's honor the dead Terry Glenn and his son have Passed onto the afterlife. Let's looks Not Be too disrespectful. But you're not talking about this in the past but you are correct. What a waste of talent. I'll just dive in right now. Terry Glenn what a fucking waste of talent. He could have been so good. I mean he was good. One is on the field. Yeah you just feel ninety six to ninety eight. He was probably like a top ten wide receiver. He caught ninety balls as a rookie. Yeah one hundred yards. What year was that Kelly Ninety Ninety six. Yeah those are super bowl year right. The first one was. Yeah yes he does. He gave drew bledsoe a weapon. They went to the Super Bowl his his playing style matched up with Jews. Perfectly because drew was so in love with his arm and he just did like the whole he just did. The whole like fucking. Terry's down there somewhere and Terry was like you know the perfect Terry would just be going long and drew would just hit them. But so similar to like Tom Tom Brady and Randy Moss. Or you've seen the. Eli You see like the ally manning beam whereas eyes are closed. And he's throwing the ball and he's like fuck it Ob Yeah Manningham down there somewhere. Exactly Joe flacco jump bulge saying exactly the same idea. Joe FLACCO is best. Play was throw at deep. Get the defense of the past interference. That was by far his best constantly. Oh absolutely or lead bowl like body someone right. Hi Okay so we thirteen thousand. What do you think was the game changing play in this game? I think everyone probably thinks it's the same one but I I have one. That's in mind. I just WanNa hear what other think. Well I'm a Troy Brown stands so I'm going to go with his punt return touchdown and that's the that's the only answer one thing. Well I was going to jump in with a play but the the two minute drill before the half was human drill as well play. So I'll give you that but I I loved watching it. I think it Set the tone for the second half yeah if NFL FILMS. Doing a turning point. I think it could be either of those situation agree. I agree one thing that sticks out to me like that's just a glaring difference between the two thousand and and like today it's football lawyer Malloy. Maybe our best overall player. He had the game changing block. That Free Choi Brown up for that punt return started to start offensive players ban on punt returns anymore. I think that's just like not a thing that happens anymore. Patriots minutes always been like that for them. I think Bill Belichick had had been. I remember seeing something one of those like documentaries of the Banou Abell checkers off season. And they were talking about how he did the same thing in in Cleveland on the browns and had like average top and at one them like a whole bunch of gains literally on a walk off punt return for a touchdown at one. The game like that was part of his philosophy from day. One some stat from this year about how they were like paying special teams players. More than wide receivers. Yes like guys only special teams like Matthew Slater and I think that's kind of like the evolution of having the stars on there too like literally just trapped and guys who are starters on special teams now but I think that was my point. I feel like you just don't see it you know. They haven't tire personnel changes when the punt return when they know the teams ponting and like I was just reading up on it. It's like Richard Seymour lawyer And I think we're all out on punt return and you know what could have been a major driver behind out. Do you remember when Gronk broke his forearm on a fucking extra point? I was just going to bring you. Do you remember I in garbage time. And he's been. I think he'd probably still wears that. Fucking robot's saying on his arms. He's not even play. I don't want to say that it was the major driver behind it but like I feel like early. Two thousand just a whole different animal. You had your best players out on your punt return on our country. Turn to add to your point. That wasn't a nasty Laura Malloy blocked but then Richard Seymour. Like you mentioned was out there. He blasted the kicker on my best watching six foot. Seven three hundred fifty pound Richard Seymour. It was basically just just walk right into the Punter and the guy just falls over and he's been hit by a truck was away like I didn't do that. He's actually got his hands up as he's doing it and the guys still falls over well perspective that go ahead. No you go ahead Mike. I was just going to say to put into perspective like game wise and correct me if I'm wrong because I slipped up last week. So whatever at this point who is like Ten ten in the second quarter. I think it was like four minutes left. And the Troy Brown punt return touchdown for eighty five yards eight at seventeen ten so it was definitely a turning point in the game for those. That are curious where we're at this point but go on car. No I'll even add on top of that. I think that we got the ball back at happened. We scored right at half. That part return actually turned into a sizable to score. Lead and by sizable to score lead. That makes no fucking sense. Because you're right you're right. We got the ball back at half. I'm pretty sure we scored after four. Half right right sorry. Did they get the ball in that too? So yeah so. After the punt return the browns like drove straight down the field in like three plays and then but then tim couch through pick to Terrell Buckley and then the pats they had the ball in their own like twenty or thirty and with like just over a minute left but they actually drove down the field instead of the commentary. The commentators actually made some comments about how it was a whole different philosophy Kaz patriots in the past would have just taken a handgun. Halftime of the page sexy drove down the field. Madame military field goal with like a couple of seconds left. So now they're up ten points going into into the half up twenty to ten it's actually able to. That's what I was thinking. Is Definitely foreshadowing that greg it's a minute seventeen. They have it on their own. Thirty yell football baby anywhere. And then they got a big task and Troy Brown sets it up and then it's almost like the sleep. Shame interim can I dive into that? Cliche even more. Maybe I carry was the best player on that team. Obviously GonNa fuck and drive down the field no matter how much time is left because he wanna put the ball in your best players. The best player new teams hands. And that's not saying that. That's that's what bill ballot check dude. That's what Bill Belichick was saying. Semen saying admitted. Terry Adam did. It was the best player on that. I swear to God that is a direct and this isn't doing that year. I'm talking about years later. Bill Belichick thinking back to that team. He's said not direct quote. Terry was the best player on that team. So which is interesting because even missed two kicks this game. Yeah I also what is true and and he hadn't been nearly as consistent throughout this season so far as I remember because when you think of Adam Terry of him just never ever missing kicks and always making the big ones but this season especially. I thought he hasn't been who are him to be I? I'm pretty sure from this week's fourteen. I don't know this is not a absolute stat. But it's close from week fourteen on. I don't Know Adam Terry missed the field goal the rest of the year. Might maybe one and this is a million and this is the year that we went on the win. Our First Super Bowl I sorta. Maybe it was not as cool as week fourteen but I sorta he started a week and he didn't miss a field goal the rest of the season and he was the best player on the school connor. I'm interested in your take as we talked about this in a previous episode before. But so you're saying that. He got pretty automatic as the season but obviously was struggling in the early part of the season. Same thing with Tom Brady. He had his bumps and bruises. There are some perfect games and then so far. We've seen some kind of Ducks thrown in In all that and bill's philosophy at that time was right. Those guys right Yet faith in them. I think nowadays. You'd have a little bit of shorter leash for the same scenario with a guesthouse gear like some other guys. So what are your thoughts on his departure philosophy or is it the same philosophy in on this reading. I think you're right in the middle because I don't think it's Harry. I think from I think week fourteen thousand one. Maybe the rest of the rest of his career never had as bad of a stretch as statsky has i. Don't you remember those games? Mike Andy Greg Win. Have you like a kick like a thirty five yard field goal during the era? Where you ever like. Oh my God I'm worried that's missed. Missed those over and over again. He's so like then. It's Harry how to run where you knew no matter what. It was automatic. Forty to forty five guards automatic. He hit most of the fifty plus yards but forty forty five yards. You could just like go. Get SMART Chips and dip like you knew he was hitting it 'cause Southie you're like are we going to lose this game because he can't take a forty yard field goal in a dome like I'm telling police units the what Mike Mike. You're also right though. 'cause I bet. checked philosophy is the exact same but. I don't think he ever got to the point within Terry where he needs to start bringing in these fucking journeymen kickers like you. Do you remember Fucking Bill? Belichick having fifty seven year old more than Anderson in for a tryout because Harry was fucking unreliable. No that's true but yet they haven't had chicken. They haven't had kickers in because Gutowski unreliable because he was hurt. Yeah but how now man was he hurt for three seasons Viteri? Extra point has been added career after week. Fourteen thousand one granted it was from what twenty yards twenty five yards terrible at all. He actually has missed some. Yes during this. Dong during his during his dominant run at the pack. Yes which one one two. He missed three in one. Two three five years connor from from the two yard line the shortcake's guess what he's Ugo percentage wise in two thousand and one being. Greg think asked me what does field goal percentage was two thousand and four. Just answer the question in two thousand one the year. We're talking about two eighty percent car kit eighty percent that year. That's not great year. Give Small Brain Syndrome. You only remember the kiss. That were big. We make how many how many socks Harry thirty attempts thirty field goals. And he made twenty four of them so name a kick ass kicked attempted over forty field goals and has had a better percentage. No I want I terry best year. Not Two thousand one when he had a rocky start to the year. Andy like both brought it up. He went on a run after week. Fourteen and was the most reliable person team. Okay you want to hear that eight yards in fucking three. So he's not clutch. Eighty three point sent Gutowski. Eighty seven point. Four percent. Interest is more accurate. Technically kicker without a doubt. Yeah but conner's point though it's the eyeball test because if you remember. I hate to bring this up and we'll talk about later but season right super bowl. Arrays half right before half ask you was given an opportunity or there was an opportunity to kick Bella check decided to go for some bullshit fourth and twenty or whatever it was instead of going for the kick and I'm I'm sorry but it's the prove your point. Connor Viteri past the eyeball test. Well he's more clutch. We can agree on that. I like yelling all know Andy. All the numbers for every statistic earned slated. Now it is the score points league. Do we're talking about two thousand and one on return. Brady Tom Brady. Tom Brady but how is kicking changed on unity of anything? They're lower because they move back the extra point kick back. There hasn't changed outside of the the extra point rule ever and you know what has record of consecutive extra points kicked in a row. Yeah Kathy with like five hundred. Seventy something warmer could rookie year. Two thousand seven. Not a bad part doesn't six two thousand six. Oh I'm sorry I'm sorry we're not talking about totals here. We're talking about percentages right accuracy. So so you're telling me the Tom Brady Randy. Moss welcome Walker days. Then put the kicker in a better position Position to hit field goals. Then the Tom Brady fucking seventeen for twenty six no touchdowns two hundred yards and a couple of like game winning drives where Adam Venit Terry hit the field goal dude. All right sounds good point in this game alone. He's right I can't disagree In this game alone to be fair the majority of his kicks that were attempts. Were around fifty yards. Tom Lang Com Brady threw fifty touchdown in two thousand and seven. I don't know how many touchdowns total the you gotta add in fucking rushing touchdown defensive touchdowns special teams touchdowns. Tom Brady was in the fucking red zone all game long stuff. He had the easiest job in the game. I'm telling you then a terry with early pre ACL injury. Tom Brady was kicking. Forty plus fuel goes all day long. Southie was in like the thirty thirty five rain with the occasional forty and like the ever day magical record. I don't mean Betas. I've been watching the past the nineteen ninety sick. You were talking. You were a bucket twinkle in your dad's I in nineteen ninety six. I had been one patriots since nineteen hundred same age. Your was a year a year off. I'm a year older but I know like his cognitive ability like he probably didn't really get the enjoyment of the Patriots until the year after that which is why I'm interested in the twinkle in your dad's I if you'd like to talk about that for a little bit or or perhaps we we go back to the browns here. I know people are fascinated by our kicker talk. I'M GONNA figure out the numbers on that all right back next week. Unless I'm wrong then I won't I mean Game Wise I will say this is a weird one because it felt like both teams were kind of just mucking around You Know Brady has mistakes. Nothing was really like solid especially in the first half But the somehow made it work anyway but throughout the game no matter how you know one side sucked or another. It was pretty close to the end which is surprising to me because it was so sloppy. Yeah they were talking about. How the The browns were like plus eight on the season terms of turnovers like turnover ratio. People people. Forget to earl. Little was with a Stud Earl. Little was a study with a safety for the browns Gerard. Warren in his brown days was a minute on Defense. Like th there because they had a. They had a good defensive. Names do any other show. Which makes that number even crazier. Is that in the previous two games for this. The browns had lost eight. Fumbles in those two games. Holy Shit yes. It's minus eight and they're already and they're still plus on top of that dude. It's crazy though. They said up to this point up to this week at twenty five interceptions in thirty one overall takeaways. That sounds like a Shipton. Yeah that's like one of those defenses that you expect to see the top lead people talk about but because their offense was so bad they'd still won six games and and you know the the commentators again kept coming back was like this is how browns games is their defense keeps a minute and then they were talking about the the Cleveland. Browns bend. Don't break defense which was hilarious. But then hopefully the somebody will make a play at some point. Which Brown's the defense did they scored the only touchdown the was it a picnic or a fumble. I think it was the pick six. That was Yeah it was. Brady's Brady's I passed. It was a fix. It was a lob. Grab no Etowah Corey. I agree with you Andy and then I think about some of those cuts defenses and I was a big been. Don't break I always like when people are like the past deepens me so bad the thirty second in the league and I was like a big bend. Don't break defense guy yards vs points for putting a fifty points a game. Obviously these offenses are going to accumulate some yards and maybe score points a point or two because they now have to throw fifty times a game even try and keep up and I was like I was writer. Die On the bend. Don't break defense so watch it. Oh Yeah I think most most of us weren't listening to these guys talk about that. From the Cleveland browns standpoint. It was though yes recently. I remember the first year didn't feel like that was and you're like all right. Now they're playing Was like so refreshing to like watch a defense like place. Yeah kind of like this. This defense has been doing all year. There's another one defense but I just the the level of violence it. I thought this defense brought to pay as kind of shocked me compared to what we're used to these like all of these. Steve Brown's before to where you every play you Li like that's that's probably a penalty this nowadays like every every is it. Is it though because I was looking at that man? Like one of the best hits I've ever seen on tim couch delivered by Bruschi like knocked off and that was legal. Man One hundred percent and it's a lot of these heads man. It was like shoulder pads. They were just. I don't know if they were more eight hundred idea. I think a lot of it is the defensive defenseless receivers stuff now. That was not a thing back then. And that's a lot of that in this game. I really agree with Mike. Mellow I think back. Then because it was way more violent you had to play smarter and you had like there was more. I don't know how to explain it. There was more shoulder to shoulder tackles back then when it was more like violence actually more. I don't know feeling in people's and defenders especially are so frayed to play defense because everything has a penalty. Now they don't know what to do so really they're just trying to like knock the guy's head off and just hope they stop them detonates because they don't know what's legal and what's not anymore that's defense hasn't been getting screwed. Probably the Oh seven Brady Moss when they were like all right. It's all about offense the defense it's also say. Oh four when Peyton Manning? The colts got the rules change. Yeah so that's when it was four. Yes I said I said. Oh seven because I thought we did it better than they did which we did. Well I think that was Bella. Check sway as being like. Hey Fuck you. You won't change the rules okay. I'll explain that one instead. And that's exactly what he did anybody else get any Game Score Yeah. I haven't mentioned the final score any of these games. I don't think yet there. It is good yup stack. I will say though man like like I said the pats were comfortable for a while. Brady was just off now. Two credits tends credit. I mean he had the composure. Do I just keep going. And he didn't fall apart. You know but there was no manning face on. Brady's face doesn't get rattled. You'll throw a pick and you'll come back. And they're they're pointing it out that that Who's the offense coordinator Charlie? Weis would would come out and the next replays. We've got chuck it but not even just like short passes like I want you to chuck it down field twenty yards like they just seem to have full confidence in him. Actually doing what he needed to do. Dividends crazy because it was it was twenty ten and this is one of the worst interceptions I've ever seen Brady throw giving. You might have been getting like bledsoe tips. A little bit too much during Brady basically a Lonzo ball as he's falling forward and both of his legs legs are almost off the ground being grabbed by like defender so he throws this nasty pick. They end up. That leads eventually to Brownfield going. It's twenty to thirteen just like that. Yeah by the Way Mike. That exact play it was third and long and did you see Tom. Brady's quote in the paper the day after it's you'd never hear him well. Luckily uploads all the newspapers Like you can send you are a psychopath dude. You don't know is actually print these off and have them up on my wall my bedroom with the with all the pins connecting in this looks like the wall of like the war room and in the CIA. There's like all these strings with fucking tab. That in but Tom Brady in the CAPER goes sometimes. I need to stay in there and take more hits. And he's talking about its third and long he's like it's better basically to get hit and take a sack. Then do what I did on that play. Which is that was the horrible interception. You're talking about. Could you imagine post tear Tom Brady when he changed the whole mindset on health and what what's important obviously it's pliability? It's IT'S PLIABILITY I have obviously. It's all about pliability. But she's like I need this. I need to stay in there and take more hits. That's just not something you would ever hear. Post two thousand seven. Tom Brady ever say and just kinda speaks to how different his mindset was and honestly how different game was. The game has changed. So much like quarterbacks. Don't get hit the way Tom Brady got hit back then and east fucking tough as nails. He's he's one of the toughest ever and I'm done talking the podcast but that makes sense. I mean this funny I like. I'm a Brent Jones and Gus Johnson Guy. I mean we talk pretty frequently and you know. I don't think there's football or not football this week. Guys I think I got most of it. But but Jones goes when he say he. Oh he said a player's name wrong and then he was like. I'm so sorry it's actually this Harkening back to my playing days because Johnson. Ha Six concussions. I understand and read Joseph. What was your name again? So openly laughing about concussions. Back then about the fact that he was six concussions while definitely a different time. I don't think I don't even think that after him was even a thing. C. T. E. Yeah Yeah I mean we've talked about the Talked about drew bledsoe. And how like when he got hit against the jets the first time I know talking to the the team trainer who was literally standing right there when he saw it happen and he's like Oh check them out for concussion but he seemed FIS. We put him back in the game and then like your day after all the players like yet he didn't actually know what play he was calling so we told him that he should be out there. Players actually sent back off the field because he was so bad back then. Yeah also by the way the announcer talking about how the night before They had dinner and kraft paid for everything and I was just wondering what else he paid for. Now see that's not right out. You're going to go with them. I thought we're going to go with It's a slight take on your ear. Football not football. It's a hall of Famer Not Hall of Famer. Ooh ooh Yes Brent Jones the I did yes sir was there. They were congratulated him because he was inducted into the hall of fame. And I thought you gotta be fucking kidding not another one but it was actually the division to hall of fame and Bay showed a clip of his his speech and It sounded a little CD. His Big Jake was the fact that obviously the division two guys are smarter. Because you know what we've got the playoffs and that was his. Bring Down House moment. Do you think people didn't know that drew bledsoe was concussed is because he was basically just a traffic arm A traffic cone with arms. Even when he was in I was literally big. Fan of drew. Bledsoe don't hey boys. I'm thirty three years old. I the peak of my fandom might have been during the buds days. I'm just saying he was a traffic cone with a right arm from his rookie year. Back Guy could not get out of the way I mean he. He probably had the work worse like pocket aware but he was one of those guys. His arm was so good. He thought he could make any throw on the field. I swear to God led so exciting swing past I was GONNA say screen pass regardless like. What is the screen pads? I like you know what I do. Fucking throw rockets. All over the. It's like this nice touch past. You're talking about now. Fuck that gun it in their amazing Greg. All right Greg Brown can probably statue listening to this. What is what is your role on this podcast. If you won't speak for fifteen minutes Greg we'll win you run your mouth slipping counterpart to get a word in all. Well Greg you're doing a fine job with the stats. I really like your brand name here and also Greg. Your your brother is against you. I told them when you guys were talking about Tom. Brady's looks and Gretchen. Cut In and said would you bang? It was laugh out loud funny and the fact that Andy didn't cut that up and put that on social media. Let's me know that he doesn't want you your career to take off so It's not on me. You can talk to Andy. I'm here for love of the game. You know I'm not here right. We'll city likes shares. All right speaking of banging and all that other stuff Aye. Let's try out a a football quickly on connor and see what he thinks So these things have popped up week to week because I just don't understand football and Andy Smarter than I am. Greg SMARTER THAN I am in Steve. Perhaps so I like to rely on them To give me a little knowledge so Brent Jones did say and I quote Saint L. has two hands on it and just couldn't hold on santee. I go had two hands on it and just couldn't hold on. What does that mean that football or football? I don't know yet to hands on it and just couldn't hold on online quite Brent Jones. Yeah Jones saying that. When was this? Is this like a day in sports and around the same time as week. Thirteen during the game. You just two hands on it. And I'm Kinda Hazy. But that it is and he just couldn't hold on so you know I think it might be is. He had two hands on the marijuana that he was arrested for. When was that in the paper? There was a mug right. You're talking about okay. Are you guys? Fucking? We're not we're not talking about the BROWNS Lineman Greg Andy. 'cause what you're saying is the Browns. Lineman Greg Robinson just got arrested like a hundred seventy pounds a weed and now you're talking to somebody who is saying. There's NO CYNTHIA. Way Who the hell in jail for this I would. I would actually clarify if connor shelter. Fuck up way. Oj Simpson is a different player in the in the Boston Globe. There was this tiny little slow little blurb they call my. I said warrants out for Santiago a warrant was issued in Pittsburgh for the arrest of Cleveland Browns Titan. Oj Santiago marijuana possession decree from kind deal report yesterday. According to the paper the warriors connected to the November Twentieth Arrest of defensive. Tackle Gerard Warren. Who faces a charge of carrying unlicenced firearm in his car during a search police found marijuana which they now believe belonged? San Diego so the foul right. So fact that San San Diego's actually to play in this game surprise me. But so my guess is was talking about the fact that he was trying to hide his his marijuana and He's trying to get both hands on it but obviously couldn't which is why. I the warrant out for his arrest that makes friends Brent. Jones is trying to be clever and like that old fuck and Corny. Dad like porn joke way. Yes and Geragos warn. You've seen his hair and I'm not stereotyping. Obviously he smokes weed. He looked like like Afroman's you ever heard his song. I end with added this out. All right insult Jerry but he looks like Afro Man. He's talking about the but it's not actually they actually look alike. Greg. That wasn't just a broad linear Snack that's all Greg on athletes. Chick logistic also say while he's looking Jones said we'll fork when he shaved. That is why it looks exactly like Vince will for I am dead. I'm obviously looking at pictures. Now look up Afro Man. It was happening. Just want to say he is also said and I know this is early two thousands and I don't know why he went. This way was during a kick return by. He was like. Oh this is gay at the five. And then he's taken down at the thirty three yard line. I don't know why you're saying that five five. I don't know that one I do know what is it because a kick returner and You you can't make this up. His name was Ben Gay. I don't know if he was named after the was that like the hot stuff. Oh Are you serious? So that was football. Yeah Oh Jones. But the topical Pain Relief Product Ben. Gay which because in soccer in high school. Everybody used to RUB IT in other people's Underwear Shit. So they're fucking. That's all I know never happened to me. I guess people thought I was to anybody. No I couldn't afford Ben gives you ever watch somebody do. It's anybody go home later and good too so I plead the fifth. His name is literally Ben. Gay running back. Wow all right well then. I Back Brian Jones story about people with last name. Gay just going Greg. Unh realized might be cutting this out to run away again on the soccer team in many fans but one game. I don't know where it was. They must have got a hold of like the rosters as their walk in if she cares as a kid on my team at gay and they just showed up and they were like where he's gay seventy pounds gay is. I don't condone any of this. This was your all by those. How did he think how do you feel about all this? He didn't acknowledge it at all. I mean like when you get to college right. I'm sure you've heard all of that. Oh Yeah Oh yeah yeah. He thought it was on. Yeah of course yeah did not know that. That's not good. That's well as I'm sorry. You have to listen to this connor. This is a shame. Well no it's not as creative as the stuff. Gregory would say during his fandom if you will went to a lull spinners game honestly brothers and dad and it was so the heckling was so bad that dad left us in and just drove home to find out. What did you say Greg and I'm I'm bracing myself well? He tried to. He tried to fight the mascot at one point. I think that was dad's tipping point. He was heckling mascot. Mall is not bad. Once I started drinking Greg Greg loves to set the fight and he's not one to finish the fight. I've noticed that about shots fired their greg. C C Eighty Buffalo trip. We've been on. You've got the biggest now in the entire group. He's a an addict anatomically correct size blowup of Tom. Brady Dick strapped around his legs. And he's walking around. Buffalo Telling People. I'm Brady Brady. This is an anatomically correct size of trump walking around buffalo and then people get kissed and guests who steps to the back of the line doesn't want to be a part of any of the physical altered case. It's Greg Crack. Why is it physical occasion over there? That's just good clean fun right there. Fun Dude he's this plane. His nickname apparently had some. I had some beers thrown and make like when I was can't wait was a nickname again. Something driftwood just would tommy. Yeah there you go this proof right there. My point being greg is I mean Andy. You know he's an all time shit talker. It's in the blood than the blood. Greg thing I you know Greg definitely got overseas. Besides everything Jesus Delivery Greg. Hasn't good delivery of his shit. Talk Steve's He's Witty Steve. Steve's a bit too aggressive on his his delivery I think I also must admit to the to the whatever listener out there that Greg does resemble a little tiny. Dan Don't do some Brady back. I know I know I now never mind. Cut that out to dry driftwood Tommy in that department. But he's gone Mike Brown's almost there. We're not talking about like facial structure right because I mean Tom Brady is infinitely no Greg. Brown looks nothing like Tom Brady. No I retract my statement. Then I probably. I looked like Tom Brady. Except I'm more athletic and I have a better looking. I like that. That's good. I just told my vote. My Greg. The better looking white. You're out of your pinball shadow. Kellyanne their smokes. Yeah can't more patient life. That's for sure I I forgot we were on a pug when Greg got I gotta y water bottle I lived like choke. It's fair game. She's shall we talk about the last big play of the fourth quarter to wrap this up. Yeah that's what everyone wants to hear the last big play of the fourth quarter game from two thousand and actually how about you this you do. How would you best and worse and Mike? You can start with your all right then play. I'm GonNa have the big play which is my best and then like a little best so the the whole. Iro Holy Crap. Best right with eight minutes left. Oh it was third down the Patriots There's a penalty for holding and at this point they were in their in field goal range and instead of pushing them back and making him do it again. The browns the climbed the penalty fourth down Get into a field goal formation. It's fifty two yard attempt and they hiked the ball. They catch everybody off guard. Viteri pooches it yeah. They snapped directly to vegetarian which I thought was an impressive snap. Yes I agree. I didn't even know what was going on at the play back like three times. What just happened but Yeah and then it was down by Jermaine wiggins with like a crazy athletic play at the one and I feel like that Freddie much seal the deal but you guys get yeah and I think Watching Jermaine Wiggins hustle forty yards downfield to tap the ball from going into the end zone. Like as he's kind of diving for it made me realize how unathletic Jermaine wiggins was I would love to see him. Invincible fork play one on one basketball. I think Wilford would toast them call. It wouldn't even I love. And he's he's a character and he's he makes some big plays in the snowball and such but and this is a list a phenomenal play but sing all of Netflix. You use like when we're talking about. How big these guys are tight ends? We're just like actual linemen. Who can catch this this Basically ousting of Jermaine wiggins when I said that well I'll also say since we were talking about kickers and punters in the past so Ken Walter this season I guess he was averaging almost forty yards a punt on the greatest. Oh they put it into Vinnie. Terry's hands it's pretty bad and it was the perfect punt. It was awesome all right so that was that was my best. I guess you could say and then other best of the game was a run up the middle by Mark Edwards which is not a big deal. Oh sorry man but Alex you take that one. I'll leave that alone. I'll tackle worst. Were so worst moment of the game and I hate this shit on these kids and it's probably the parents fault patriots fans with face paint and it looked like the French flag so I got nothing negative for that A. for effort but negative execution. Sorry stuff that's bad parenting with that shit. Parents which down parents are probably browns fans Jackson. Yeah those dead on you nailed it all right so. I'll go next because Mike tried to see him with under My best was Tom. Brady's physicality and so Mike was starting to allude to it. But there was as a mark Mark Edwards fullback dive right by the end zone and You know the bunch of pushing shoving somebody like one of the big defensive. Lineman tried to push him in like Benjamin half as Tom Brady came out of nowhere. And just shove this massive defensive Lineman who then turn around and realizes Tom Brady and start stopping towards him and I. I haven't seen Brady moved quickly away from somebody like even when he has the football but there was that but it was also the fact that they they ran that reverse again that they've been running with David Patten and Tom Brady was again. The lead blocker and he threw a legitimate lead block on this game. Did you guys catch this on? You might have been like a legal kind of buy. It was it was. It was a COUPLA that was legal. You guys less but I mean he. He caught him and it was like it wasn't even like it offends and he was like a linebacker was took the guy clean out of the play in. Even I think it was Brent. Jones was commenting about how it's going to suck to watch that tape. 'cause YOU NEVER. WanNa get blocked by a quarterback Tom Brady and then I think you can tack on what? Connor was saying about his comments after the game about how he should take more hits in the pocket. So just psycho psycho. Tom Brady is my best in. This game See my worst Will this game. I don't really have a real whereas but the this game had some commercials in it if you guys skip them or not but off my two favorites yeah I. Two favorites was a commercial for the palm pilot. Remember the palm pilot so that was fantastic top line technology and they were like three hundred bucks and I remember our mom having one because I think dad used to work for palm so he got some palm pilots for free. Mommy's love her palm pilot Ohio. It's yeah and that that that flame burnt fast and strong and real quick like a schedule calendar in there was a digital counter that didn't connect to the Internet and then the other the other commercial that I enjoyed was The one for Pepsi Twist Remember Drinking Pepsi Twists back then and think house hot shit. Yeah I agree surge though circles passing. Yeah but yeah because Serge. They actually came to our school and as school and out there giving it away to all of us for free which I don't do well to it. Yeah what is up with that free huck? Yeah of course get pretty weird man. When I was going to school like college. These pickup games. I don't know if you were there for one of these. Would they be driving around with like peddling like red bull and giving it away for free really like what is this representatives at call out free to anybody could do? This sounds suspect someone who can do a deep dive on this on Stefka. Greg give us your best the worst rules. You've seen Browns Jersey with a keep adding on all quarterbacks you visiting more whole thing and looking at all names. It's giving give us a quick rundown. Okay we got all coutts voice. Siyal all Trent dilfer Charlie while Ball Games than win Cole McCoy Brandon Weeden. Sad Lewis are three. Some great names on my worst was the Be that actually for Vocal Jersey. Which I have no clue. Why had that did we dare you? Had A Kelly Holcomb Jersey. Hoping I wasn't one of those bargain bin ones. I'd like and I make sense. Why would be insane as podcast went on? My Neil worst is connor state on kicking a loop back a little bit if you will ask career. Construction going on my worse is connor doing well fuck. He's doing the bathroom or I had my fridge. Door had been opened for too long and it was alerted me that get out of the fridge that asks making fuck out hot pockets over there making a making a chicken burrito with Verde. It's green hot sauce anyways. Thank you congratulations greg. Her for all your staff I know you were Tim Young. I know you were too young to comprehend the Games during the thousand and one but Adam. Venit Terry was automatic. And you never had to worry about them. I haven't been able to trust protest right back. The numbers don't lie. Your brain is not fully developed gear like a fuck instinct you just see one unit the redcowmn. Okay do you know how do you remember? Yes you damn right. It might be do. Remember the Games something you. I never worried about vegetarian from two thousand and one until whenever he left. I Bet I bet these old farts remember that to. You could always count on the terrier of military. Stephen Guesthouse has been missing bunnies. Maybe not the you know it is. Great is percentage is great because we score so often. Then we're in fucking scoring position all the time but he visiting also better at fifty plus dude. Let's be honest all right. Let's let's be honest. Stephen Guess Cassie was great until that year in the playoffs against the broncos where missed that kick and he's never been the same since all right so terry eager to you got. Is it that you that you go out of him the same since no? He was not right after that game. Man I mean look at look at the fucking stats do you. What do you want in their prime? And then a terry gets ASCII pride. Pretty want his middle. It doesn't matter owned my God. Would you hit the forty eight would get hit? The forty eight yard are in the snow. You know he wouldn't give me talking dude one name one big name one big kick. He kicked a fifty three yard. Beat the giants look at. What was that week seven week? Seventeen exactly oh come on. Yeah you you know you know and I remember that game exactly. So that's one. Does we had that kicked in the last three in nearly one ran randy had that long touchdown everyone remembers week. Seventeen and how? It didn't matter though. Not Not that game. Well I remember the other game that you might be alluding to with O B J and oh I'll kick it can't be in the regular season man. There's a big fat no fifty three yard game winner break. Who'S THE BARAK LIQUOR? I believe? It's the one that ballot check recently. Said what's what's his face from the Ravens. I believe John Tucker Mouse Connor. What's your best and worst man all right? So limited to Beth Album being talked about but talk about Mr reliable and plus I you guys. I'm talking about in the past. Two Seasons Games Very pedestrian like maybe seventy eighty yards rushing but he had a fucking knows for the end zone. I think he had two rushing. Tv's in the game My second seventy my seconds as very ambulance McCain's My second best like I already mentioned. Was that fuck massive lawyer Malloy Flock to three try Brown on the front concerns. I know it's you. Don't see your your got suspenders out. On putting their terms like you get like early thousands and stuff That kind Tom Brady just being clearly doesn't person in like two thousand one on his his first year but like those areas. Just my worst might have been Tom Brady plays I think this is probably his worst game. Game Starter One. Man Goes Game was an absolute nightmare. Actually Kinda typical this year. This yeah so you know the two picks and I think he lost fumbles then. He had games where he didn't score touchdowns but he drove him down the field. And so I'm Smith or like your Auto Kevin Faulk or some shit happens but I think he was responsible for free. Terms like in. This game was one of his worst games. Maybe not as worse but I can only be a second words this point. We had one where it was a four game. Maybe a couple of fumbles Yup Yup. That's bad I will. I will say this guy's because we didn't bring it up but I thought it was very cool stat. Sorry Greg jumping in your territory here but it. They were talking about Most consecutive games in a row. I'm with seventy percent. Completion percentage or. Oh Yeah and they put up You know a graphic and Joe Montana had eight games in a row Sammy BAUGH had four Steve. Young four Troy Aikman had four and Brady coming into. This game had four in a row as well. So that's pretty cool. Two thousand one CONRADI. Sure was prolific. Con Brio right and then by the time. I guess so also say we didn't bring up Aaron Shea does I mean he got hurt in the game anyway but Aaron Shea was. Brady's teammate at Michigan did they became very good friends. And then I don't know if you guys know this but this always stuck in my mind. He always greatness and Tom Brady because he was a hard worker. India's humble and he knows he's humble because he wants to ask Brady. What would you do if you became famous and you had millions of dollars Brady said I would buy a new pair of socks every day because I liked that so when we have Tom Brady on this podcast? We're going to ask him. The first question asked him. Do you buy socks everyday. Yeah I think that's pretty good question move isn't it? That's definitely ball movies. I know he's real washer on socks. That's real fucking humble. That's all he wants do. That's a pretty big ask. Luckily loses its novelty after. What like sixty times a week. Maybe two weeks. It's because they're new wines. So that's a poor take from and they still like the first couple times you're wearing. They still feel new you know. And the pre hair three hair plugs. Tom He I think he just had a different mindset. See I I'm glad you brought that up. I mean we definitely That'll be a teaser for future episodes because I've brought up and we've debated when everybody Sold her soul. So is it hair plugs. Or was it a deal with the devil for sure? Dude come on two thousand four or five. He got hair plugs. Yeah and they started to grow in. I would do it to and I might have already. Thank you very much long. Talk longhaired Tom Brady. Where seven my favorite years. And you know. He was only wearing the long hair because he was so happy to even be able to grow long hair after the hair plugs. All right now. He's dying his hair. Look it's fine right. Yeah he's a beautiful man can do what he wants. He's earned it grow up or what yes I I think. That's that's plenty. I hide and what is happening. I just can't believe we've talked much about a random browns game that I didn't even remember happened happened if known as I do. Remember this game actually but Um Salah I do you son of a bitch but connor. If if you're ever back again I mean this noise you're making his fucking amateur hour but otherwise I hear you have a deep dive on. I believe Roman Phifer so that could be for another time. Yes I agree. Yeah we'RE GONNA get into the I two hours at this point should anyway. That's what you said. And then you said you released a two hour episode. I haven't been paying attention but I hear there's a two hour one back in forty five yes I don't. He came on my Ambro. Let me come back. I'll I won't talk as much that's my promise. I didn't know what to do. I had so much I promise you I will have nothing to say next week. I literally used all might cakes. I use all my like. I'm done tap their knowledge. That was it at all right well until then next week. The Patriots traveled to Ralph Wilson. Stadium of Greg Brown Dick Fame and against the buffalo bills. Soulsby how that turns out so if you've lasted this long. He'll join US next week and we'll talk to you then. Seila everybody bye bye.

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Looking For A New Home

Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney

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Looking For A New Home

"Baseball tonight the podcast this the baseball tonight. For Monday July, Twentieth, two thousand twenty I'm buster only working from my home studio in New York. Travis rock hold is again pinchitting as producer in place of Taylor. Schwenk Travis, you're in Ohio and did you see Taylor twitter feed all weekend. I saw one where he had a beer on a beach. And that's what I think actually may have just made it into the weekend need to see that my God. He was like tweeting pictures every hour. This is where I am. Look at the water isn't as beautiful. You don't have access to this. He was kind of taunting everybody with it if he doesn't bring me, he's like something back like when we were when we finally returned to going into the office, like pay me for this and the taunting than I don't know I can work with never again. Yeah, and I bet you get somebody in your family used to and I going dude. Don't worry about the pictures. Just enjoy the spot you're in. The. Put the phone down. Enjoy the lobster in the beer in the weather and relax, and he did definitely made me jealous that those are cool pictures to to see although I probably won't tell him that when he gets back now. Major League Baseball and the players have been conversation about how to incorporate social justice elements into the sports, according to League player sources with the most recent conversation scheduled for Sunday. It's unclear what form the elements will take whether it'd be some kind of logo placed on uniforms. There's something shared and fronted by players Jesse ELP week the other day tested positive for Kobe so his proposed deal with the Atlanta braves fell apart. He's a free agent again. There had been some concern about. About Shohei Ohtani because in his first exhibition outing on the mound, he really struggled with this command, but in each of the subsequent to outings including one on Sunday afternoon. He's gotten better battery face twenty two batters on Sunday and he struck out six of them. Seventy two pitch is forty five for strikes all around baseball teams tested forms of artificial sound phillies manager Joe Girardi talked about that and noise is probably important. Just so you don't hear everything you know you don't hear. Catcher setting up in a slot moving. Edo maybe here, some of the conversations that might be going on on. The bench. So I think that that is important? It's interesting we're. We're so used to crowd noise, but. When you're at a ballpark. You don't notice normal. Authentic crowd noise, but when you're at the ballpark now you notice piked in crowd noise, so it's just. It's I think we're all getting used to. It I mean there's a certain volume that we've. We've had a higher which had a lower I. think we prefer the lower. There's no substitute for fans. Cody bellinger blasted a grand slam in the dodgers game using his new mechanics. We're GONNA. Be Talking with call ravitch about that. Too To. BELLINGER TURNS ON. It lifts it down the line the right back towards the poll Calhoun to the wall, but Grand Slam. After, all consternation over the change in stance change in set up. And try to adjust back to a level of comfort. The lights turn out. Another team comes in. The MVP launches a grand. Slam Great to hear Joe Davison Orel hershiser on that broadcast want Soto who had been out because of health and safety protocol was back on the field for the Washington nationals. He looks like he's getting ramped up to play. Same Victor Robles department as Roma's talked with reporters on Sunday about his progress. He's such an important part of the nationals defense in their energy. It does look like he's going to be ready to go on opening day this coming Thursday. Julio Tehran is out after testing positive for Kobe. Kobe nineteen he's in his first year with the angels in this was the big news coming out of the weekend. The Toronto Blue Jays Front Office is now working to find a major league ballpark for that team to use. After candidates, government barred Toronto from playing in its home stadium amid the coronavirus pandemic Anthony Bass told reporters on Sunday that the Blue Jays are trying to find some big league park to plan. They of course could play in buffalo now we're GONNA be talking with Carl ravaged Sarah Gregor About everything going on with baseball before we get to that season, eight of ESPN's latest thirty for thirty podcasts is here heavy metals inside the Corolla gymnastics. Empire is a groundbreaking seven part podcast series that takes listeners on a deep dive into the lives and influence a Bela and Marta, Karoly the most successful and controversial coaches in USA gymnastics history subscribe now to the thirty for thirty feet to listen to the entire season and apple, podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Gregor Chisholm is a columnist for the Toronto. Star Greg Talk last week about what's going to happen with the Toronto Blue Jays in it's incredible that now on Monday July twentieth three days away from opening day. We still don't know exactly what's going on with the blue. Jays because over the weekend we learned that the government candid at basically veto the idea of the Blue Jays playing home games other major league teams coming in because of the comings and goings across the border So where do we stand now with the? Blue Jays. Well, we stand almost in a similar spot the last week in the sense that the Blue Jays don't have a home I mean. The Canadian government really looked at this situation and it was. Partially, a political decision and then also partially public health I mean this is when you look at what's going on in our country right now, there's usually about two hundred to three hundred cases per day. compared to you know sixty thousand plus south of the border. And you know our borders have been locked basically since the start of this pandemic began They're going to be locked until at least August twenty first. And so there are of every now, and then there national interest exemptions, and that's what the Blue Jays. We're looking for here and I think there was a lot of confidence early on that they were going to get it and I think as the situation in the United States worsened over time, some of that confidence started to wane a little bit. We saw the situation drag on in our in a situation where they got decline. And now they're scrambling last minute to explore both their minor league options, and after the players came out. This weekend and and tried to make the case to the front office that they don't WanNa be in a minor league stadium they. WanNa Major League stadium. So now there's a scramble in place to try and set up a partnership with another team and so you know it is kind of a message that a little bit understand because there's so many moving parts, but it's still a little bit hard to believe that we are so close. To the start of the regular season, the Blue Jays still have no idea where they're going to be playing in about a week. Yeah Buffalo seems to be at this point. The fallback position I know there's some concerns about the quality of the lights net ballpark, but at the very least they could theoretically do that. And and when that came out over the weekend that they were looking in major league options, it feels like boy that would almost be like a traveling roving Banda ball players because I. Just I don't know if it's possible that they could actually pair up with another ball team. With two or three other teams if they WANNA, play major league parks. Yeah, no, absolutely I mean on the surface. It looks like Pittsburgh might be one of the best fits I think. There's about seven home dates that overlaps so there would be a little bit of an ability to do something there. Obviously, also a connection with the Blue Jays. In Pittsburgh, because Ben Sherrington went from blue, Jays, organization to Pittsburgh Steve Saunders as well the former bluejays aim at your director of scouting, so there are some familiar faces in that organization that might allow for a bit of a partnership there, but not all the dates would work, and so I mean there could. Could be a situation where they figure out one spot for the most of their games, and they have to come up with an alternative and so Naro, bluejays officials were going down to buffalo today from my understanding to out the Buffalo Facility. See exactly what needs to be done, but that place needs a lot of work, and there's just not a lot of time to do. It I mean the lighting. At first there is talk that it would need to be completely. reinstalled Shapiro over the weekend was saying that they could do some things to supplement the lighting. Try make that work but then inside I think what the players are more concerned about inside the bowels of the stadium I. Mean You just don't have the modern equipment in terms of training rooms am obese. Concern would be with the replay booth as well and in the club houses are just they're small, cramped, Crampton, Minor League clubhouse, so there are things you could do in theory to try and spreads employers throughout the ballpark because fans aren't going to. To get in there anyways, but it's clearly an idea that the players are against, and so I think you know suddenly now. The organization is trying to do everything that they can to try and make these guys as happy as possible because I mean really in all honesty, this year is going to be a bit of a bit of a mass, and it was going to be like that no matter what I mean. The players weren't going to be happy. If they were staying in Canada and they were going to be kept in a quarantine within the footprint of Roger Center for the entire summer. That wasn't gonNA. Make them happy. That wasn't gonNA. Make visiting team's happy so really. There was no perfect situation here. I think Toronto obviously was the preferred one but now they're just as you say, they're going to have to travel around potentially and and be constantly on the move this summer, which will put them at a disadvantage? There's no question about that. You led right into my next question. I mean nobody's GonNa feel sorry for them at a time when there's so much going on in this world so many. The economy's being affected by corona virus people obviously being affected by corona virus, but I I'm sure that Charlie Montoyo. Their manager will try to turn this into rallying cry, but it's hard to imagine that it's not going to be at some point. Put not going to put them at a competitive disadvantage, because it's so complicates their lives. Yeah no absolutely and these guys have been living this life now for for the last couple weeks. I mean when they first came up here, I think there was some miscommunication going on a lot of people within that team and players wise new. They're facing a quarantine for two weeks, but they thought they were going to be. In Toronto, I think they essentially thought that that was approval, and then there were messages in the last week, or so from the provincial side of our government that seem to indicate that an approval was coming and so You know I think the a lot of those guys are caught off guard and now. Now. They're looking at a situation while we're originally. They came up here and we're prepared to leave their families behind for the summer now. They don't even know what to tell their families. If they're going to be living so and this is constant I mean this is not even a scenario where the Jays can really return home to their spring training complex where there's a bit of ground there, because of the situation in Florida I mean that seems to be one of the last options. They want to pick right now and so either. They're going back to a ballpark that some of the were plate in an in triple A.. Or they're going to explore and go throughout, and that's going to be really tough on his team. There's no question about it and I mean the familiar surroundings of a ballpark even without home stands. There's something nice about being home, and that's something that the jays Argon experienced all this year. Last one before you go, take your press. Badge in throw it to the side. Tell me how you feel as a citizen of Canada about the decision. I, you know it pains me to say this is someone who's been a lifelong baseball fan. Obviously, makes a living the sport now. I mean I. Think they made the right decision You know there's just a much different situation. In Canada here right now. I mean that's that's the reality of it and we're certainly not perfect There are cases up here corona viruses within our borders, but when you look at the rising cases in the states and into the small number by comparison that we have up here I mean public health is is the most important thing in that trumps everything else. People compare this to the situation in the NHL Wide Canada, allow the NHL players in here is a much different situation. Situation the NHL players say are coming into Canada one time they're crossing the border one time, and then they're staying in hub city major league. Baseball was calling for frequent travel back and forth, and when you look at our situation where our border is closed until the end of August even travel within our own country You know there's there's people who can't go back to their home provinces because there's there's things that are isolated like that just in order to keep the numbers down. And when you look at that and baseball was gonNA come in I. Mean I think Baseball's plan was going to be safe? I think the risk was probably minimal, but if there's any risk at all, it's hard to justify because all it takes is one person. If there's one person at that hotel who ended up coming down with the corona virus, and because there's not a lot of cases up here, you can do contact tracing after that if any that got tied back to baseball in. In the Blue Jays mean that would have been an absolutely political disaster for our government and I I don't think that they are really willing to take that risk and the other thing is that public opinion wasn't really on their side. I mean that's something. I covered the couple of days leading up to this decision, normally fans are on the side of professional sports. Teams especially when it comes to something like this, but the pandemic completely different scenario and there really wasn't public support. To have that exemption for the Blue Jays and so even the biggest die hard bluejays fans saying we're going to be watching this team on. TV anyways, you know it's unfortunate but they should stay in the states for the summer just because of the situation that's unfolding. Gregor thanks for doing this again. Good to talk with you. 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With Carl ravage the Rabbie Train Carl. Carl Saturday night I was so fired up. We had the first exhibition game on ESPN. Yankees mets from Citi field. I got my popcorn got my feet up was gonNa Watch you and all of a sudden I turn. There's a cornhole championship going on, and then I realized oh no. I'm in New York and we had the blackout so I couldn't hear how much fun you're having. It was a blast to be doing that again. Yeah I would buster look. The ESPN APP always works and I know you subscribe. But we, we had a blast. My friend we. We enjoyed it. It was great to see. fastballs ninety six consistently, it was great to see frazier hit a homer. We saw masks. We saw distancing We rode horses a new manager Aaron Boone all master up and looking at his players Yeah, I would say that all in all to be honest and I know you've been on with us. a handful of times but having. Gone through the Korean baseball experience, I. IT certainly made the transition to major league baseball simple I mean that was not a problem at all, and it's something we've done. I'm guessing a lot of people who tuned in for the first time that weren't in New York and actually didn't have to worry about silly blackout. Restrictions were able to watch it and realize. ooh! Wow, okay I. This is different. I gotta get my head around the idea that I'm looking at a pitcher and a batter, and in the case of city field some cardboard cutouts. Yankee stadium or Wrigley Nothing That's that is different. That's jarring, but when Aaron judge, it's a homer or Giancarlo Stanton. Hobby bias makes an error. You you go right into your Phantom and I think that is gonNA. Carry US three until you do. Get some fans back in the stance, but all in all. It was a great experience and My Boy Mike King who I've known since he was literally baby delivered a really good start for Aaron Boone. Chavez was an extra surprise and and fun for me. Yeah, he's got a nice funky delivery. You can imagine. He hides the ball pretty well. Against Hitters I had some specifics about the Yankees mets GonNa get to, but I wanted to hit on NASA the beginning of this process when I was asked about odds for what's going to happen this year, I said five percent chance to start the season zero percent chance to to get all the way through. That clearly is wrong, either as I've I've talked about people who I talked to at the beginning of this process, if the team level who were so pessimistic, are now saying boy. It's coming together better than we thought man. The players are doing a good job this. This or stabs are doing a good job of this. We're kind of on a roll on this thing in over the weekend I talked to some folks around baseball. Feel like now that they've got this moving ahead. Boring an absolute personal catastrophe you know involving someone in the game. They think the baseball will just plow through. You know even if you have a situation. Three four players five players test positive on a team with these pools of sixty players with each group. They think baseball will just keep moving that it's business and they're devoted to try to make it work. They put these health and safety protocol in place that players seem to be getting more comfortable with, but the the to To borrow the RAVA trained for second, it's going down the tracks and it ain't stopping. It's the no brakes addition look I, I agree with with the idea that they will. If they do identify, they'll isolate They will remove that particular player. God willing. They get healthy very quickly and return I think that they players deserve. All of the credit here for. Showing that they are doing everything at least again to this point showing that they're doing everything in their power, not to bring it into their clubhouse There's no pressure like peer pressure, and you know you hope that you you know you're affected by not being the person that does something that then leads to the virus being brought into a clubhouse You're all on the same team. That is your team for the next sixty sixty games and sixty six. That's it. With all due respect and as painful and as difficult as it may be. That is your team that that is the priority, and if you can't you know, go to your manager and say I I'm having so much of a hard time with this. I can't do it and I'm going to opt out, and I'm going to recognize I'm not going to get paid, but I'm not going to. I'm not going to put my teammates and my team at risk, so yeah buster I. I think we're GONNA. Find and I've heard this from players. They're going to feel. Safer in the environment that they've created for themselves and Major League Baseball has created then in any other environment nowhere else. Are they being tested like this? There is a great piece and I think security in knowing that. If I abide by the rules, and I'm getting tested every other day. I'm going to live. I'm going to benefit I'M GONNA? Make money I'm going to be able to do what I love that there is that's. Is there a greater motivation than that? So Yeah? I've heard from a lot of players who have said this is the safest place now travel and all your introducing new elements now. No doubt you're introducing new aspects to this once you start getting on road trips and hotels and it. And Old Habits Die Hard, and we've seen throwing the ball around after a strikeout around the war and not supposed to do that. High fives not supposed to do that. Spitting not supposed to do that. You know restaurants, etc. Etc Not really supposed to do that. They'll be challenges. There'll be test, but so far doing great at the beginning of the summer camp when we first started talking about world series favorites I I. I have absolutely been talking myself into picking the Tampa Bay rays, because I love the depth and then the last few days watching the Yankees. And like what are you an idiot? Of course you had that team? Carl looked so unbelievable. It's I thought during the wintertime, it was the best team on paper that I'd seen since those ninety eight to two thousand Yankees in terms of depth. Tell me what you saw. A hundred percent and You know I got a chance to talk to Aaron. Boone day after morning after typical Aaron Boone, which is what makes him so great is he was on the on the road at about eight am driving whose daughter to a soccer game and we were discussing the depth that they have and that was you know that was my after after watching him the first night and then seeing them last night as he said. My Gosh we are going to have to. Cut Players. or not them on the major league roster. Who would the not only starters on other teams, but some of the better players on other teams Brian Cashman has done an amazing job of of creating depth, and they have so much of it and. Yeah I. would agree with you. you know I'm a? I'm a raised Guy as well. I not sure I see any other team other than maybe the Astros who are even in the sand class. They're so deep. You Add Garrett. Cole imagine if Ceferino were on the team they are. They're loaded, but look. that's my. They are absolutely the the the along with the dodgers to me to get to the world series. It's it's a simple one to do. But as buck showalter said during our telecast buster look sixty games does does make things a little more challenging than one sixty two and I agree with that a lot of ways, but over the course one sixty two. You also have more opportunities to get tired to get hurt. To see other teams make trades quickly. you know I think I. Look I'm on the corner that that this favors the better teams I. I am I think the Yankees and dodgers do win. The margin of victory ain't going to be what would be one sixty two, but. They're better than everybody else. Yeah I think the media theory, no I talked about in spring that boy behind Garrett. Cole the biggest question about the Yankees was their rotation. Jordan Montgomery last night was unbelievable. He was only bringing all year. He told me in spring training. You haven't been with us yet. Where do you see Jordan Montgomery? Like okay sure, but even even king. This is the point that they ha. They are because of the player and the player's development they are discovering. They have depth everywhere everywhere that they even they didn't expect I think. Yeah one hundred percent. Now you lead perfectly into my question about the mets. Because you know. We know that they're excited about Yoenis S, but as we know the Robinson, Keno is you know a future hall of Famer Perhaps you know put up huge numbers. He's a leader on that team. But as I was watching, canot and cesspit go through the weekend I'm like boy those are. Are. The guys are going to be the test of the sixty game season. Because you know what Karl, you can't wait like you. You are not in a position where you can just wait for that veteran to kind of work his way into shape and slowly get his swing back and casino to me looked awful and CESSPIT, ass-, and not surprisingly. He's been away from the team. And cesspit is just isn't moving very well. Tell me what you're feeling isn't after watching those guys. Right, so we talked about it with a word Oh you know another and Bawku with us. Dave Roberts joined. This is well the the slow start. Concept and I I'm not mistaken and pleased. If I'm wrong I apologize to mark share, but I thought to share was one of those guys who acknowledged he was a bit of a slow starter and if I'm wrong then I apologize say you're one hundred percent right? He was historically slow starter. Right so there are a historically a bunch of guys that just. Like look I'm not great in April and May. I, I'm just not well. If April, and may become July and August That's a big problem. Now July is warmer, and maybe these guys were slow starters because it was cold for whatever reason you can't afford a slow start and it was interesting. Edward I had a conversation during the game on the. Ground Ball. That hit two or Shell. It's there I. Don't know if you saw it He caught. It got out of the box. He slowed up on his on his rounder first, and then literally, when he doctor I instead of extending that leg out to beat the fro. He's slowed down. and it was to me it was it was telling to eight Warto, and look at what Oh played I I would give. The benefit of the doubt in this for sure over me, but at wardell right away said that was encouraging. That was really encouraging to see. And I said what and he said he he ran out of the box. He was smart enough to not push it because he knows that. There's a regular season starting on Thursday and Friday. And I said. If he were healthy. You know you you. You wouldn't have to do that and it. It was so to me anyway, so. you know rattling like Whoa, whoa he. He's no better then he's been a and look I I. Hope I hope I'm wrong. Based on Waldo I assume I'm wrong, but there was nothing that I saw from him running. That would lead me to think this is good. Now. Look Buster. If you own assessment, it's. It's twenty two homers in Sixty Games twenty four whatever it might be then he's done his job and the mets are going to be great but already. Know who who's clearly trying to find his timing? ETC, I. I know they're already calls. You know let let's get Nimmo to start McNeil to Alonzo Three. We. We gotTA. We can't have this. With canot up there incentives. We go the other direction so. The difference in two games between one organization the Yankees where they're already look like they're going to win. Fifty eight of sixty and the mets, the questions and the yellow flags are already flying high because of what we've seen in two games. Do you think that this becomes a season in which you have to have really good pitching on both ends because the hitting will go into slumps. Really good pictures generally don't the Yankees at least in two games have shown. They're really good kyle. Hendricks. Last night looked like what you'd expect on the other hand. The mets bullpen the first night with really good Kansas. For me, look really good. It may be we come to the conclusion after watching twenty-five Thirty Games, it's pitching wins in a sixty game season and you gotTa. Know everyday every night. You got a chance to win the first two nights for the mets that that wasn't the case. I agree with that and I also think that some of what we see in the sixty game season is going to mirror what we've seen in the postseason where you know. We talk about small sample size, and then we get into October, and yes, the managers react to small sample size, which is why we then days after Aaron a Aaron Boone hit the walk off home run to win the two thousand three. He was on the bench because his swing. Look Terrible. It's why Alex Rodriguez. In the midst of this monstrous. was dropped to eighth in the lineup by Joe Torry during the playoffs. and. I suspect we're going to see the same thing in the sixty game season, of Robinson. Canot doesn't look good in the first couple of games. They can't wait for them. There's just not enough time and they're. They're gonNA move on especially those teams like the Yankees like the dodgers where they have other options. I agree and look you know. The other side of that is Seth Lugo is is you know hopefully going to have a great year? And you pay room with those three guys? I just mentioned that that's a that's a winning bullpen. That's a really good bullpen and I still know a lot of people think offensively. The mets are in the upper class of the National League. If Not Major League Baseball. I totally agree and they do? What's about the masses? They have the depth and they have guys who look like. They're just going to be consistent forces between McNeil Alonso CETERA Carl. Thanks for doing this man a we're. We're almost there. We're almost there, and by the way just another conversation for you guys down the road and US Buster Dave Roberts and Joel Madden the two managers in Los Angeles. Are there to more interesting people in baseball than those two guys? Unbelievable Dave Roberts appearance that he had during our game, and we all know about Joe Madden something to keep an eye on just those two personalities in Los Angeles. What that's going to be like. Sweet thanks bye-bye Numbers, Game Sarah Lanes is a reporter and producer MLB. Dot Com and Sarah. Thank you last night. When I asked you sent you an email asking you for possible topics today. Thank you for reminding me that we needed to talk about Daniel Bar. You know there's so much going on the Blue Jays situation games being played individual players to highlight, but Daniel Bard without a doubt I think is the coolest story going into the regular season. Yeah. You know it's just so much fun. I thought when I saw that I mean I remember seeing in training that he was with the team and you could this really really happened, but that story the fact that he was completely away for the game he was working for the diamondbacks for the last two years. And you know shutting fly balls, and some of the players are. Are saying you know you seem like you still got it. You should get back on the mound. And now he has made the rockies opening day roster. They announced on. Friday I mean, it's not the longest layoff from baseball ever in terms of time between majorly game, assuming and hoping that he gets into a game sometime soon, but it's definitely really unique in the fact that he. Played for five seasons he pitched in five different seasons before he was waiting for the game. Most of these guys who we think about when we talk about these long lay-off played like you know two or three games over the course of two seasons or something like that, and then we're gone for a while, but the fact that he had a hefty major league career. I really puts him on another level, and it's just such a great filkins story. One hundred percent. Yeah, he of course you know. His career was overtaken by the hips at the time that that happened. He was one of the best relievers in baseball and I was thinking about it over the weekend, and it's been fun in recent weeks. 'cause like the biggest fan of Ganbare is our friend Peter Gammons sue I talked to all the time and Peter was so excited Daniel. Bard making it back like he's working at at work and added. There are just so few instances especially pitchers working in their way back from the. I mean it just doesn't happen very often. You Know Ricky Keel is famously one of those guys. He was an elite pitching prospect. Electric at the outset of his career, and then he developed that he had to go away, and then come back and remake himself as an outfielder so for Daniel Bard to make it back from that boy. Just fingers crossed everyday. That can keep that going. Yeah. You just really hope that that's exactly that he can keep this going and nothing goes wrong. It's true I. Mean you think about different? You know players away from the game for a long period of time for various reasons and I looked into some context with his career, and the other guys life found to play for at least five seasons, and then we're gone for at least five full seasons before coming back in the last twenty years. None of them were gone with the yet we had Jason Lane who was. was just not much of a hitter ended up coming back as a pitcher Roberto Peta Gene, who went to Japan Jose rehome of course dealt with all of those injuries, all of that Tommy John Surgery and elbow issues see firearm who was not that great wrote a book about being a minor leager, trying to make it back Warren for Mardi, went and played in Japan and Mike Norris who dealt with injuries and some other issues, but none of those are comparable to what dennehy are dealt with, and how much was directly? Affecting, exactly his ability to pitch and do his job. Under percent, so thank you for that. Reminder I really I. I saw highlight of Cody bellinger, hitting a grand slam on Sunday and even before I saw the swing, I was like Oh my God. He looks so different You know last week I I listen zoom. From Dave Roberts the dodgers manager and he talked about the adjustments. Cody made during the shutdown and that he wanted to to tinker, and I was. That really jumped out to me. Because as you know going into last year, cody had made a lot of adjustments He wanted to cut down on his strikeouts when I talked to him earlier in the year he talked about how he's getting to know his swing better and yet after winning the Most Valuable Player award, he mates more major adjustments my God. He's on top of the plate. It's like Anthony Rizzo of the of the cubs in terms of how much he's on the plate. He continues to be very. I haven't spoken with him yet. About what what exactly and how is performance could improve based on the numbers. Where would you? Would you identify the things that he probably wants to improve? Yeah, I mean I agree with you I was so fascinated that and watching that home run swing. I mean he looks so different. He looks he's still looks great at the plate, but it's incredible and I just love the you know I love that mentality that he's always trying to get better even after such a great year and I. think that you know it's spring training, but he didn't hit that well in spring training, so maybe he felt like something was off. And maybe that's part of what for this, but you know if you look at his heat map from last year he was. We know absolutely outstanding, but definitely inside a little bit. Elevated pitches and kind of over the middle of the plate, but elevated in zone, were a bit of his weaknesses compared to other parts of the plate, and then you know low in a way, but I think that with what he did, and seeing how he swung last night. I could see that. Maybe he's working on that area, just a little bit, which would be absolutely devastating for pitchers, because that would essentially mean that any pitcher throw. Throw him almost anywhere in the zone is probably going out of the ballpark and I really you know shudder to think what the NFL and AOL catcher would be thinking about that. I mentioned the comparison with Anthony. Rizzo. when Rizzo a you'll remember. When Rizzo began his big league career with the San Diego Padres, he was abused by pitchers with inside fastballs like they came out with inside fastball, so he's trying to figure out how. How to how to deal with that in you decided you know what I'm just going to stand on the plate. I'm going to take away the inside part of the the plate away from them If they want to pitch inside and nate, they hit me then. I'll live with that and that's what reminded me of when you said that you know inside pitches were his was was a problem area last year inside enough it. It didn't surprise me that. This is the adjustment like it feels like he's doing the exact same thing that Rizzo. Did you know what I'm just going to stand over the plate and if they want to try to get it in and potentially hit me then I'm okay with that. We might get a little sore and it does take some some brazenness to do that, but it feels like a similar adjustment. What do you think? Yeah I, think so and I mean if you look at it, so bellinger hit to twenty seven in that inside and kind of upper corner to him last year in terms of At that ended on pitches right, there Rizzo hit three or four there last year, and obviously we were go back and go to those early years with the padres. It would be pretty different, and I think that that's that's exactly that little area that he's isolating and I'm looking at Rizzo's heat map, and it's bright, red, there and bellinger's look, a little bluish and I think that that's definitely based on how he last night. That seems like part of what he's trying to isolate and make lot better. So I went into the summer camp, absolutely devoted the idea picking the race to win the world series, and then I've been watching the Yankees in recent days as they put all their team together. You Know Giancarlo. Stanton looks phenomenal. With the weight loss that he's had Aaron Judge is back in the lineup Miguel and do is back and Sarah I was a coward I turn my picks in and I pick the Yankees because I don't as they wrote in the piece. It's like picking against the the Harlem globetrotters. That team is so stacked. What do you think? Oh, my gosh. They looked incredible this weekend and I know they sprint training camp game, and you know we've been trained to not really think too much of those, but I think that when you're talking about playing a week before the season playing in your ballpark and in another big league ballpark, so we're not playing in these small spring training stadiums. This is not a minor league park I think that you can put a lot of stock. Stock in how they look, and they looked outstanding. Absolutely outstanding I mean then as you said he had multiple batted balls over one hundred ten miles an hour. Which we know is when Stanton who good. He's hitting the ball hard 'cause home run last night, hundred zero point five miles an hour off the bat, and Gary Sanchez in another hundred ten mile, an hour home runs well. He was tied for the most in the majors last year. I was really shocked by this I. Mean I shouldn't have been because then missed so much time last year and everything else, but stanton judge and Sanchez all homered last night. They've only done that in a regular season game one in April twenty and April four. It's only been two seasons with Stanton there obviously, and I know he missed some time, but I I was pretty surprised. I, and another one that I was really surprised by was judge had those two home runs last night the last thing he hit. Hit Two home run game inky stadium was September twenty seventeen and I think that we know that he was dealing with injuries last year, and we know that the same was going on to an extent in twenty eighteen, but I think that that showed me just how much he really hasn't necessarily been himself the last two years, and if he's back to being what he wasn't twenty seventeen, I mean I. I don't really understand how they're gonNA. Lose any games this year, but you know they'll be put somewhere. No and McGill do Horlick's phenomenal. I had one evaluator told me that his swing reminds him now and Miguel and do Har When he was a rookie, he not only hit, but he actually had good pitching like he is a really good hitter against good pitchers, and by the way what began to hear over the weekend, which would make the Yankees and twins and other teams that hit home runs a lot. Very happy. The ball I'm hearing a lot is flying like the idea that we're going to have another juice ball seems to be likely based on the feedback. That I was getting so hang onto your hats. You get a lot of home runs to Count Sarah thank you. Thank you, sir. Bleacher tweets are this. Bus comes from 'em hub, five, one three, which team will benefit the most from the D. H. Year. Yeah, I think a hub that. We've been talking so much about the mets because it's a natural landing spot for you on assessment is. Just watching over the weekend. He looks like he's back in terms of his swing, but man. He's not moving very well, and you hope that that gets better as time goes along I really believe that teams that that are best suited to take advantage of the D. H. or the deepest teams then naturally brings us to the dodgers, because on a daily basis. They've got a lot of candidates to be in the lineup and they'll sit one down You know in the past because they didn't have adhd. Mac Months. He's going to be in the lineup everyday. Justin Turner can be in the lineup every day. Chris Taylor on down the line. They are absolutely stacks, so they will take advantage of it more than anybody else. Right, that's it for today. Remember Subscribe Right Review and if you have a question, tweeted at us with Hashtag bleacher tweets. It's it for today Matt. Thanks Carl Serta, Gregor into. Travis have a great day. Everybody stay safe and remember hate. Inequality inequality based on skin color something. We have to fight against every single day.

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That stream minimum of fifteen hours during the contest and earn over one hundred fifty dollars. Or stream it could just increase their pay out across the board. Long long gone. Next? s and our productions, the company behind sites. You've probably never heard of like mega fan and Cam with her. Bear Gio, block failed. they sent out an email to models on June. Seventh Sunday June seven did not specify when Geo Block. Stopped working. But an. Estimated it could take up to two days to resolve the issue. We don't as far as I know. Airy, have an update on whether or not it is operational again I. Don't think we've heard from but yeah. All models were made aware. The way signed up with that. Gio Block was not not available sip were they made aware of the GOP or were? They made aware of the site because never heard of him. And the email that went out honestly as a modified precede daddy mail I mean I received it for this, so I knew it was something and I had to look into it like if I was a model on his side, he got it was from snl productions. And it didn't list any of the sites. Like, it was just like. Geelong working on our sites from st her. Joe Or something like. Some random dude and I was like wow, and so I of course went and looked up s and our productions to figure out who they were and also asked air. I think I may be mailed that area back with the fuck is this. What site is with WHO's Joe like? That's my new. That's my new cock. Costly item the Short Printed. I Three D. printed match, Mike Cox. Crazy Shark do. Okay. Area tron power threes. There I'm sorry, fucking host I don't know what's going on, and you're frozen I can't hear. Are we distracting Katie up next? told, me can't drag my ass on things and. Everything for four hours, plus that's why that's why I'm giving you the sprinkler when it's not like when I see, you're going. To teach. Banned from you to. Sherry. Okay next just for fans quarantine seen contest winners kick first of all. This contest was fucking awesome, so the just for fans quarantine seem contest. If you didn't see it everywhere on social media was. Multiple performers had to be in the video, but they had to be socially distant while recorded so basically it was people doing like like feeds and putting them together on the camera, and like some of them were doing like. It's a virtual date. Kinda thing. Some of them were just being filthy. Some of them were doing things like. Oh, it's zoom meeting in. The boss can't see me. The industries were honestly amazing. I very much enjoyed going through the entries and seeing them. They were fantastic If you haven't seen the entries I'm about to say, who wanted stop haven't seen the entries. We've bought a wink to it on this article about the winners. And you can go, and you can see clips from each of them. He want to see the whole video. You gotTA sign up. You gotta subscribe, but seriously like top notch performances and really creative, and outside the box to because at first I was like what are People GonNa do like. Having a scrape date with my boyfriend that I can't see right now. No these people. I am not half that creative like you just keep scrolling through, and you're like I wouldn't have thought of that. Idea, which honestly that is the best feeling to have when you scroll through stuff like. Some inspirational, but anyway the winning video featured. WHO's yours Zadie? Listen. All the names are like that Lucas Champagne damaged BTM i. don't know what that means. Jackson Hood and Liam Cyber. those performer- split the top prize of two thousand dollars. There were also two video chosen as tied runners up. And the performers that appeared in the runner up videos we'll split thousand dollars between and Jessica. Pans also announced that they are donating their matching their contest prize pool by donating three thousand dollars to black lives matter. I know fans is just out here raising the bar on everything. Absolutely. MVP Lime token sale. If, you've forgotten. Camping is available on many bands. Welcome to the club. Many. Is it out of the baby. Still in Beta I'm GONNA check yeah, it still says it's in Beta. And be live. Running a token sale to promote the NBA camping feature it's fifty tokens for one dollar now. According to the announcement there, there was going. There is a at the time of the announcement. A, banner on all MB Live Cam rooms that members need quick to take advantage of the offer, however, at the time of actually posting the article, which was several hours after they made the announcement. The banner wasn't showing on any empty live cameras, and it was not clear whether it was a one time. Offer or members can buy multiples of fifty for one dollar each, and it was also not specified in the announcement whether model pay on the discounted tokens remain the same. To me. This seems like basic stuff before you send things out. Is the banner working. Can people do more than once? Are People going to get paid. Can Take that three point checklist for me for free many bits. Have that offer free. Free Information. It was one of those things like I. Come Bumping Down That Day till I post later because I was like their banners are still aren't working. Their banner still aren't working and then I was fine like I. Want to go to bed you bananas aren't working. So I. Don't know if they are right now. Let's see. Him. Talk, about someday. Sprinkler. Greg talk about the for thing. Now? We're on Silverstein legal launch. Yeah! We're not there yet. We're on Corey. Silverstein announces his adult Dot Love Service which takes regular instead of hiring by the hour or holding a Mr Silverstein an attorney on retainer. You can get alicarte services that help us small independent performers get the legal services. We need at affordable rates. At that guy. That was just A. Gory. Subscription Service. It's got a whole bunch of different things involved. I think their lowest price. Point is ninety nine dollars, so it is more expensive, but who are a performer who is producing clips with multiple other models if you are purchasing content to us. If you've got? Anything and An adult. Yeah, you just never know it. There are a lot of nooks and crannies that you have to cover in this business to remain and sustained so all I say I'm in from fifteen years experience there have been multiple situations I never would have thought. I would have needed legal services, but I didn't, and if I'd had this then I would definitely. Indulged because it would have been cheaper. Back to you Katie. On many stores there. Now. They also seem to anyway, that's. Great Joy and talk about the CAM for thing. Do you know anything about it a little bit? So Why don't you talk about it? So in this FW's A. New York. City based sex club and. I'm not speaking from camp for so I'm not. You know not. I'm not an employee in the spokesperson, so I might be wrong in some of these but essentially they want to do something online. and. I haven't gone into the specifics of where the money's going. But, they're doing a two day online event and actually. Asked me about it If I could help with the technology parts, but they must have figured it out because there was a few weeks ago and once I saw the announcement come out. Realized must have figured out, but that's about all I know. The rest I think you've got in with a link. You can go and sign up. Think. I'm going to do it just because there's a couple of sessions pretty interesting. So. Mine. Yeah. They've got some really cool stuff. Honestly, I might go to some of it as well. They've got a whole bunch of. If you are interested in like roques and rigging and tying got a couple of interesting introduction to row things that I think I might do. They've got some kind of sexual wellness stuff. Then we've also got some light, filthy, fucking awesome stuff like they've got like a virtual strip club with Gogo. Dancers and stuff they've got which. I. Don't really know what to go. The answer is I'm confused between. Go Go dancer and stripper. But. We don't have. Is You don't tip. They're just up there. I candy. Are they making? No? Jenna Marbles was a go go dancer I know she gets upset when people call our stripper. I don't know Canada. We just have strippers y'all. We don't have bowed answers. You. Take your clothes off or you don't get paid. You Go. We just use drunk girls at clubs so I go go dancers. So, this camp for sex is online you can. Link your one saying. They have like You have to buy a ticket. It's it's sort of A. They're asking for donations. I think to keep NSF w sort of in and and running. A lot of these adults spaces because they're not having events because they aren't available for people to Rant, they're running into a lot of problems right now. Financially, I know a lot of dungeons and dom who use meals. Faces have really been struggling through this so. they? It is a ten dollar ticket. It gives you access to everything. You can also donate above and beyond Be Links to everything is in our post Greg posted that in the private chat on in the actual youtube chat. We have too many chatterboxes of you guys. It's really interesting, so it's both kind of live sexual performances. There is once V live sex cams and I'm very excited about that. There are some very interesting performers who are going to be part of that. But yeah, so it's yeah. I mean. There's SM sessions there's. There's things about how how to keep Keep things Kinky when you can't actually physically touch other people. Yasser. It's a really neat combination of light education, community, connection and dirty fucking sex. Them like I'm all for that. I I love to get my education with a side of Genitalia just to give a little a little a few. No Sophia Saint James Zachary Zane Sky Blue mistress bottle Chris Diamond looking for a few other names masters. Send Sandra Sandra not sure how to say his name I'm sorry if I'm mutilated it. or Xavier and Gaping Latina. Figured I'd finish there. But. Yeah, those are some of the people that'll be doing their online sex dible seminars. They. Hugh Katie for carrying this. Just I'm not sure if we're still syndicating the podcast audio only. Sites but just of corrections two. Of the mandates thing the batteries up there so. It is there. How come I can't see it then maybe try. Meadow rouser. They probably hit it from you your band. Maybe. Models! I wasn't loved enough. Anyway doesn't matter. It may or may not come up for you. It's just Katie. It's a conspiracy. Aright Meka. Introduce yourself before we move on, please. Everybody! Hello good to be here. I'm late, but I had a six thirty cy bigger. It's better late than never. My name is empress. Meka I'm the director of artists relations I want clips as well as a lifestyle. Dumb I'm super happy to see that Katie is back hello. Oh hello. I didn't realize needed. Are we going to continue? Trying to. GIVE THE AWKWARD SILENCE A couple of perspectives. Reconsidered you. For Me Katie, Responding I said. But then I realized I was muted, so just awkwardly sat there instead Oh God. It looked really rude. I was like. We were just sitting here like what? You was like Oh, I'm really happy. That Katie's back. You were just like. Food at the same time and I was like I open my mouth. It's like all come out of my friends. While you're doing a podcast what? You don't know. ME. And be like this is not a mock. Stop It. Glad that you're here me even if your little A. we're still happy that you're here. When. I was GonNa say when you look could. It's okay to be late, but girl. We can't see you. Having a tiny house having last week so I'm just GONNA. I'm pretending I'm in charge. I got the keys to the kingdom all right. Last thing in regular news we're getting there. Guys. Clips for sale has promised more diversity in promotions. clips for sale has announced. They're working on several ways to make their platform more inclusive. They did not specify the several ways. But one thing that they are doing in June is they're highlighting black models and black own studios in the model, spotlight and feature sections of the website, and they promised to make those specific parts of the site more diverse in the future. They also announced that they are. Going to have an advisory council that is going to support the site in future decision-making didn't say a lot about the advisory council. And I, didn't get a chance to email them to ask. However, if you take a look at our post, there is an email address that they've said performers or studio owners producers, etc.. Questions or want more information about the Advisory Council, or if they'd like to put their name forward for the advisory council to send an email I think it's to Darius, which is d., A. R. I. U. S. then. At clips. For Sale DOT COM. and yeah, they talked a lot about wanting to be part of the change and wanting to bring change to the industry. It wasn't very specific. It was also not posted on their blog to my knowledge, or at least when it came out, initially wasn't a but e full post. That clips sale posted is available if you click. If you log into your admin panel, your studio advanced panel so basically. What's happening? Oh, go ahead. If someone was saying something not was just me, and then I was going to myself so keeping. Okay so basically. What's going on is there are whenever you report a studio or whenever there's certain content that's offensive to other studio, owners or anybody for that matter, it goes to the support eighteen, but the support team is more for technical stuff. And now they're going to have a group of Ho I I'm assuming they're going to bring on some performers so that they can have more insight on the content and just deliberate about whether it's a personal attack. Because here's what happens when you open up that door and you say oh, this person's content isn't appropriate or whatever the case may be, or it's against the movement, or you know or like right now. Now! There's a lot of stuff going on twitter. Where other models are coming out about being mistreated by certain clip studios, and just all kinds of things are happening, and so now this group of people will be there to deliberate on whether this is a personal attack, or if there's any validity to the allegations, and I guess they're basically just trying to take things a little bit more seriously. Involved performers more in the process, because they don't know the the drama and the INS and outs of everything that's happening. I mean they're just you know on the back end processing payments, and making sure the clip site run, so I think it's a good idea. Yeah, I'm really enjoying and I'll get into this bay when we talk about the a pagan XS meetings It's nice to see that sites and organizations are. At least pretending to put performers I. I mean we'll have to see how it all shakes out in the end, but I like the fact that they're asking performers and they're saying like hey. Maybe we fucked out. Maybe we didn't. We're not really sure. But. We know that what we're doing right now isn't working for you. And we would like to hear from you now whether or not, they actually go and implement those things. Different story and we'll have to see how that shakes out and if people keep the same energy. But at least temporarily provisionally. I do appreciate that they're trying to include performers in spaces where previously they'd been like now. You're just the talent. Get out there and fleshy pussies. We'll do the brain things back here. Let's be positive. Let's take positive. Let's think change change is happening Brinson provision. Things are heading I'm just the Senate. Right all right. Oh. This is my fire. This onto, you carry okay, so I posted a blog giving you lots of tips and information on how to maximize your content in your canning, your clip creation fan clubs whatever you're doing in the adult business and the basic general just is. Finding a way to work smarter, not harder using one piece of content, whether it's a snapchat picture or video or something that you're going to post on social media, finding a way to use it on multiple websites both safe for work in NSF W, not safe for work feeds, and platforms even as far as like dating sites I. Mean You name it there? There are people out there looking for your. Your content and if you don't put it out there and one of the things that created or inspired this particular blog is that I am the queen of cheap I do not like to spend money on marketing and advertising if I don't have to, not saying won't I'm simply saying that I would like to minimize my costs if at all possible, and because of that I've found some pretty creative. Ways to market my content. In areas that. You know aren't. At the top of your list like twitter, instagram, facebook, and also using one piece of content or one one set of pictures or one video, and finding a way to maximize that one piece of content, so it makes the most amount of money as possible so. Do you want more on that show like expand? Am I still here. No. Super Quiet. I was like I think i. just got booted. But Yeah, if you go, look at the post, there's a lot of information a lot of sites. Even Katie was saying that she herself. There were things on there that she was like. I didn't even think about that so that. Yeah, that's the purpose of log and even a stuff. That's not on there. The the hope is to motivate you to start thinking outside the box just because you can't post on. Pinterest doesn't mean you can't post on Pinterest. Careful about what you post on Pinterest and the links that you have and one of the things I always say is linked back to your social media. They're not gonNA be as like if you link it back to your hands or your fan clubs or Any type of porn site then it's likely to get flagged, but if you link it back to your twitter. You can have that kind of stuff on your twitter and your twitter should linked to your other things, so our customers are smart enough most of them to understand the funnel process, and why you were led back why they were led back to twitter, because that's where you can then direct that traffic where you want it to go, which is to the boom chick bow? So, yes! It's. It's a lot harder to eat and host at the same time I suddenly appreciate why areas more professional than me. Here just to and. You GotTa talk all the time I got you APEC. Hall. I gotTA. Get anyone else. Attend the town hall. Just me, okay well I. It was on Sunday June seven. It was two hours long. I was going into these at the end of the was like yes, I. See why that had to be so long, but at the time I was a little bit like Oh. God I should have got a snack. We don't want to leave the room. Because what's being talked about is actually like really interesting thought-provoking. I went to both the APEC. One, as well as the XB is a virtual townhall unreason production ex pays ran to. There was one that was going on today that was aimed at the adults retail and pleasure products sector can go to one. It just everybody talked about how they're maintaining Keep it up with Kobe during. You know like making sure that they're testing. People and you know What is it the mass and all that stuff is just boring. Really see icon was interested in going because. One thing I've noticed is like. It's real hard to get dildos in a variety of colors variety sizes. Yet? You walk into a store by like. You can buy stuff online I know I buy everything online right, but this is them talking about how each of their individual likes. We make pleasure products. We should make dildos multiple colors because. They make them multiple edged, and she does not want a piece. Yes, Dick every time because you can't tell the difference between her skin tone and the DILDO. Stop shopping on Amazon. Heroine put in a big chance order They are phenomenal. Amazing and I got a bread won a blue one and a silver one because this year I say human colored Dick's. Things coming glow in the dark. Nice. Warm Links APEC. Sorry caught on terrible So it was chaired by India morale, and it was well attended by bear executive on I have not. No. Alana Evans Alana? Was There Ruby? was there? Kelly Pierce was there. It was really good. It was It was less focused on changes. They WANNA see. And more focus on being safe space for performance to talk about their experiences Eight started out. They read out a list of victims of police brutality, which of course included the death of Marlon Anderson, who was known as Sledgehammer who is a porn star who died in a confrontation with police was killed in a confrontation with police And it was a really. It was tough moment. several people in the meeting new him And that that was by a moment of silence They so I couldn't write down any specific quotes I didn't either You were not permitted to do any recording of the a paid one in anyway so I even though there were lots of performers there, I only wrote down. Who attended who or on the? Board members. because it was an open meaning It was very informal signed from the beginning It was an open space. Anyone who attended could speak. and it was a very safe space an open platform for performance to share their experiences with companies with other performers producers with directors with agents. Sorry there was a lot shared their that was. It was hard to year. I'm not involved in the professional side of Porn shooting the pro shoots, and the agents and everything 'cause I'm Canadian. No one fucking does that up there. And so I've never been to. The awards shows I've never been nominated for awards. I I've never really been a part of that. I've covered those types of things. But a lot of it I wasn't aware of when it comes to things about shoots and award shows and. The nomination process the casting process, and it was actually a really great thing to have this meeting, and then for me to also go to the experts one because this meeting gave me personal stories, and the lived experiences of racism in the adult industry, so that then at the experts one which is much more formal and talking specifically about steps. They want the industry to take. I had this kind of background of standing some of the things that they were talking about. Because, I'll be honest. Didn't know. and I don't want to share any stories When I started out I started out on that the sector and let me tell you. There's a lot of fucked up happening and I'm glad you. I'm glad that there are performers coming out. If you want to know what's happening, go on twitter. Everyone is filling their threats and sharing their stories and I think it's great to hear the truth about some of the things that are that are happening behind the scenes and with summer summit I was surprised about the ink dangerous stuff. You know I, I. Never I never knew of so that it's but anyways. Yeah. No, it was. It was really good to. Pay One. I don't WanNa. Say Joy, Dix, that sounds awful like I really enjoyed the conversation we had about how fucking racist are and some of these horrible experiences? People have gone through. But I enjoyed it from the perspective of it was a really positive environment. There were a couple times because there was an active chat going on at the same time, they used zoom. And there were a couple of times where I was like. Oh, Shit. What's about to happen, but it was very. There were a of people who said things that were like. Oh this could go one of two ways, but everything was done in like a really positive, really compassionate way. and. They didn't make anyone feel stupid. Because I'll be honest. Going into it. I was like. I don't know anything about it's hard, it will. Yeah and I'd like. They didn't make you feel dumb for not knowing they didn't make you feel dumb. For asking questions I asked something that as soon as I said it, I was like Oh that was. That was a word. Kinda wish my name hadn't been attached to that stupid vein like it was just I didn't understand what they were talking about, and everybody was really patient. And just very. It was really it was really powerful. I'm I'm interested to see how other all these companies come together and change the way that they're key wording and allowing certain titles in their gone to in content, creators like on clip sites and things of that nature like avian is taking away certain words that are yeah. I are an interracial yeah, and and even more so like stuff. That's racially charged so. You know I. I'm in being. I started out doing that type of porn so for me. It was to hear how it affects. Other performers like that was what was more eye opening for me was to know that just the keyword that I'm using for what I was doing is offensive to other people and I was like I don't ever want. Mike are to be offensive to someone. Someone else it's intended to entertain. It's intended to create exactly the opposite so now going forward I. Know I'm not going to use that. Even if it is a high traffic generating keyword, it's just not. It's not in my vocabulary anymore. There was a lot of talk in the expos one especially about titling in series titles and the rights for the performer to know in advance the title. As well as any further changes to the titles, and having that in performance contracts that happens with big girls, too. I had like that was something that had just never I had no idea because I've never done it like I had no idea that you just sign up for things and there's no title. Here's that goes you get booked for a shoot? Okay, so if you're an independent performer, you're dealing with the producer directly. If you're an, you have an agent. Then what happens is the producer or the company whose you know hiring the talent for that particular film. Contact your agent and you're going to. Let's say you're going to La to shoot and they say oh, yeah, you're going to do a scene with another performer hardcore oftentimes. They don't tell you whether it's. Whether you're going to be shooting with someone of the same race. They just basically go over. Are You doing anal? Are You doing vaginal is? They're going to be oral that type of stuff? They never really unless you were a performer that publicly and your agent new not to book you for anything either some performers are strictly multiracial and other performers. Don't do anything outside of the race, but nonetheless you go you show up for the scene. You shoot the scene and then. You know you. You've met the male performer sometimes most of the time for the first time in your life. Hi, how are you doing great? We're about to do together next thing you know who. You do the scene and then months later. The scene comes out and so for BW's what the big issue as is like. They'll put you on the cover of like whale watchers. And you're like what I didn't go. Shoot a scene called whale watchers. No, because you didn't know the name this scene you just went and shot a scene. That's what they decided to put you. In as the whale watchers series, and that's highly offensive. So yeah. Stuff like that like it was. Which for me? Unlike whatever like you can talk about me? Being my size, I'm okay with that, but when you're talking about someone's personal ethnicity and background like that, I can see where that would be. You know but anyways. Jr Andy Subjects have you subject. We hear all day. We covered that in that also with A. We kind of did both here. That's my. That's my mini sprinkler. My opinions on this I. Want Quick thing before anyone that's talking so I don't interrupt anyone in obviously eighty. You can take over since he did all the research on it and stuff, but I just wanted to say that I picked the site of the week, and I made I want claps. This research that Katie provided as well as the commentary performers as well as Jay Phillips and The person who represented him getting? the fact that this lawsuit going on is, it's unfortunate, and they're saying obviously being that. They're trying to resolve and all that, but I think the bigger problem here. Is that They put their performance at risk. Multiple Times now I with the data breach that violet opposite about an now with this lawsuit where a shareholder potentially soon take partial ownership of the slight change the site whatever? And the fact that this is a recurring topic that I want clips continues to not address themselves, and it seems to always be this performer. Violet all-new brings to light the issues happening I want clips and performers shouldn't have to rely on other performers to get information about what's happening on. The size of the thing is the performers should trust that if a site that they're working on is in a situation that would impact them such as a data, breach or lawsuit. That they would at least make a post about it without. Rebutting to a performer who called them out for it, and then also sending them a cease and desist, because they call them out for it. I think that the action by I want clips. Even if they are resolving, it were not handled correctly and that going forward really work on how they address their performers in the issue going on internally because it's elegant formation, and if this continues to happen and perform the ones who continue to spread steph around in belong to just made the site love worse, even if it is being handled, so that's my little piece on it out dating. So I won't clips as being sued by shareholder. I okay, so we saw byles tweet. Yeah, we saw her tweet. Area and I went back and forth on it. Then I fell down in internet. Rabbit hole where I stayed for almost three nights. Including, at one point for his six straight hours stretch. I have done a lot of. Very I read almost every exhibit and every declaration filed for this None of the things we put in that story were. Conjecture or theories from my brain or areas bring everything. We did everything we put in that article, and I really encourage you to read it. I'm not GonNa read the whole thing out. I'm going to cover three points that I want to talk about. You gotta read the article. Everything that we talked about in their first of all is alleged. None of these claims have been proved in court. But. The information we got was from declarations which are sworn statements made to the court. By people involved in a lawsuit either the Knicks or Just WanNa. Make that clear. I didn't didn't come up with numbers out of nowhere in invent them. We give them from somebody who pleaded about somebody buying. Personal Move Shoot I. Know a lot of stuff has been out there about I. would what's so and so and so and so Bryant whatever intersted in? Everything Riyadh was in documents it'd be. It was very hard for me to stay out of the year round on twitter. Those are all. Things that not only who want terrify them, but they are things that. Aren't public records are not publicly available. So everything that we have, so we want him any secret informants. We just have someone with too much free time on their hands and the willingness to re legal documents there were. A variety of issues with I want clips that were brought up in the lawsuit that I think performers. Should be extremely concerned about. Some of the. Communications? Shareholder. And Jay Phillips by the way we will be referring to Jay Philips and Bradey Not by those names, those of their chosen stage names. And we will not participate in outing sex workers even though again. It's easy to find, but we encourage people to address sex workers by the names that they have chosen within our community. so we are maintaining that and we'll be maintaining that in all of our. Communication in all of our articles, unless decided otherwise or unless they begin releasing statements under other names. But Some of the language J. used about driving sales down to zero. Signing non compete agreement, some of the threats that he made while he may have made them in anger are things that should worry. Models who are on the site who expect the ownership of the site to be interested in growing the site? And not driving down to zero. Not Sinking its value and things like that I found those communications to be unsettling as a prime a performer on I, won't this? I enjoy the platform, itself. I don't necessarily agree with decisions that they've made in running it i. don't like some of the performers per promotions that they run and so on. But reading. Those communications about dragging things down to zero, not needing to ever work again they did make threats to put all of their staff. On leave for three months to give him three months of holidays Jay through their PR. Company did provide us with. A statement that says that they did not threaten to do that. Which is something? That is at odds with what is claimed in the lawsuit, but again none of that has been proven incorp. However! I won't clips claims a lot to be a very successful company. might concern. There were financial documents submitted by their former chief financial officer. I would like to point out the first chief financial officer at that company. Ever who had actual accounting experience. the documents. He submitted show that I won't clips has been posting a loss for each of the last three years. in that they are actually negatively. Financially situated. And one of the concerns of course. Is for models who were there? When it was at seventy five percent Peyot, and then they dropped to sixty percent pale, that clearly was not enough to make them profitable again. and the fact that they originally borrowed money from this shareholder. It appears based on what's been submitted to the court and I'm sorry. This is very dry, but this is my jam I. Love this remember when I went in deep on taxes. This is what I do for fun. They borrow money initially from this individual, it was alone and does not appear to have involved shares. However, they were subsequently unable to pay back that or any of the subsequent loans that they received they apply. Point received from this individual. And so they had to give him approximately thirty percent of the shares in the company. So at this point, according to documents filed with the court, this individual owns thirty percent. Of I want, clips. Because they were unable to pay back his loans. which should concern you because I won't clips continues to maintain the very profitable, incredibly wildly successful company. And the CO founders Jay Nikki. Are paying their eighteen thousand dollars a month rent. Using! no-interest shareholder bones from I. Want Clips. Jay have not paid back. In quite some time. So, The law suit also alleges that an emergency loan was made in December of twenty, nineteen of one hundred and fifty thousand dollars to prevent I, want clips from being unable to meet its payment obligations to models. For the pay period that ended before Christmas. So there are a lot of allegations in this. That should worry people. Also I would like to note that I want. Clips has hired a PR company now it appears that they were with this PR company for some time. As there's an old testimonial from Jay on their website, however for the first time, they're directing people straight to the PR company. But somehow the PR company doesn't have them on a tight leash. As they are claiming that they are amicably resolving everything. Everything is Hunky Dory meanwhile bratty Nikki is out here on twitter. Saying that the lawsuit is from a rich loan shark. Now I don't know about you guys, but loan shark is. Mon sharking itself is actually a crime. so that's your shark Alec we gotTa. I, knew you're GONNA do that, too. I need alone. The crime to. Loan sharking and behoves charging illegal rates of return on loans and being unauthorized to offer loans, but Nikki is you know? Off on it. both attacking Bislett doll. As well as this rich loan shark that has made numerous failed attempts to damage our business. As far as I can tell, he's made numerous failed attempts to recover his loan money. And actually appears that the reason that this lawsuit was filed that I won't clips was going to be sold. It was up for sale. It was being prepared for sale by It's quite common for especially companies that have been small and closely held ID had like two people in their family members on all the documentation. Yeah, I won't clips. Lots of family members on the payroll like. Guys, Oh, I could read twenty articles, but areas like. Please just write one. That won't get US sued. I feel about it all that stuff. Their financial shit like I don't really feel like that's any of our business now. Where I find a problem is when in this isn't just that to them. This is just in general is when people get on social media in their highly unprofessional attacking performers that helped make them money like that's the part for me. That is like okay. There's a way that you conduct yourself online as a business as known business owner, but all that back end shit like it's hearsay. There's no allegations in you know we don't understand the the. Contracts or the promises that were made at the time that the company was that they when they did the start up. You know what I mean, so there's really nothing. For us to judge, but as far as where that leads in the future in terms of clips. Performers and people that are on the site making money you know I do feel. That some sort of when they start making changes like I didn't know that they changed a sixty percent. But you know it was probably information made readily available. That I just did not see so. That's on my own part, but you know all that other stuff like I just feel like. It's not really any my business i. just don't like the way it's being conducted online my opinion. Awkward Silence. You're bid nobody's talking. I mean okay, so it is performed business if somebody is a shareholder of the company suing for these loans, and could potentially cause the owners of the company to claim that they're going to allegedly like. Try to take the site down by driving the value to zero and it beforehand before involved taking the whole site down. It wasn't any of our business, but now that this is being. claimed. That is when it becomes performers, business and You know if if they're employees, go on vacation. Who Pays the models who deals with that? And it's something that like even if they weren't going to share all those details at something that have addressed. There's been claims that we're going to do this while we're not were just even making little statement about it like everybody. Loves many even because they make statements about everything except for that fucking shady article with Bella still waiting for my apology, sorry. Bellows constipated this week by the way there was a press release about. Participating in this Louis taking over. I. I give you credit where credit is due. There are some things about this that perhaps performance should be aware of, but what worries me, so I fully expected I'm going to be honest I fully expected to look into this and be like some due to suing them big whoop. Yeah I kinda thought we'd be like. Hey, they're being sued in. They're also being assholes about it all over social, media. All the people who make extra bonus money off I. Want also out here, attacking everyone. It's just another day in. I walked clips. That site has the same problem that many events does were there is a group of people who are obsessed with it, and if you say anything bad about it like they come after you and your deandre flooded, and you're like I'm just GonNa. Take three weeks off the Internet cake. Thanks off. We'll some people. That's our bread and butter you know. Yeah, I know go like anyway. I'm not one of those people so. Don't attack people. Anyway it doesn't matter, but I I want has their own special army of people. Aware yes, I don't I've seen the twitter threads. Let me tell you we know all about but For me. The concern is number one. There's a lawsuit that has publicly available documents. You should probably tell people. 'cause when you Google it. COMES UP. And number two if a former performer, even performer that you feel has come after you so many times whatever it doesn't matter. A performer with a large falling has made it available on. Twitter and people are asking questions. The thing you should not do is pretend it's not happening or brush it off as an angry loan shark. 'cause angry or not. You still haven't paid you back. Is Money my concern after reading through everything? Was While K there were a couple of things that came up that we're not going to go into because we don't have time. Areas doesn't WANNA get sued. I don't WanNa get sued. But there were a variety of interest because of Corsino we start digging into the people around it and other businesses and everything, but that doesn't matter. We're not talking about that. It's not a thing yet. Breath folks. It's coming over breath. Bradey Nikki comes after me on twitter. Keep a few things in my back pocket for future reference. What concerns me? Is that they appear to be making a loss every year. Which okay they've done it, so they don't have to pay taxes, etc, etc, but they're coming up with you know the past three years they've been everywhere between. Thirty thousand dollars and five hundred thousand dollars in the red at the end of every year, which they could be doing to avoid paying taxes, etc, but that's without them paying back the loans and he is suing. For loans worth approximately two point, five four million dollars. That is a lot of money. I think you should to him, Gabi Abington you kidding me? You know what rent is in Vancouver. That's like two months in my ranked bureau. I can't afford that just cash Abbott right on over. I don't use cash out because it's not an adult industry processor. Don't get me on. That is my other soapbox. Besides sites being shady payment processors soapbox number two I have it right over here. Don't go, oh! I revoke. You could send it to him. On I want clips as escape model, I spend every day on my soapbox about cash van Mo. pay pal Google Wallet etc. I have whole copy and pasted paragraphs, and then I have copy and pasted things for their coming up three objections, which are the same three objections every time. I did a whole article on why you shouldn't use those apps as a performer with I know I used to link people to. I don't know if I do any more. I used to have a trio of articles linked to one by you by I wanNA call her Venus, but I think that's wrong I don't know. But. Yeah, so anyway. My concern is that they are saying they are incredibly successful. They've been unable to pay back their loans. And to me a company saying we're incredibly successful. We are completely stable. Don't look over here. We got our ducks in a row. Is Not getting loans for one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Jessica months ago. How do you qualify I'd like loan for one hundred fifty five hundred dollars. My ass is fantastic. On you to. Decay as a gift, but. I've done looking into both sides of the thing i. I have. Any money from the IRS, everyone's like earl. I have hundreds of pages of documents in a binder. A highlighted flags I've got at least forty pages of handwritten notes like I went on a deep dive, and do I think I won't clips is GONNA. Blow up tomorrow. No will I be watching this lawsuit very closely. Yes. It's currently their next date. They have to file things by is early July. So will I be maintaining my subscriptions to? Law Resource sites that I now have yes. The Fourteen Day free trial was excellent, but I need more. And now I just keep. I just keep digging into other lawsuits with other adult industry sites and things from the past. I. Just can't I. It's an obsession. Does MEKA WANNA? Say Anything, or or would you rather not? High So. I just wanted to let you guys talk I. I wasn't sure if I should say anything, but I suppose I can jump in here. It's a little tough. I, certainly know a lot of a lot more details of the context of this. Not all of it can be communicated but I. I'll do my best Europe. I'll try to. kind of communication can. So I I one. Let's let's talk about like. Let's go back to what. Ari said in regards to data breach, so the reason why that data breach was delayed is because I want clips could not make a notice until the artists that were affected by that breach were notified. Violent it. was notified via like one of the models that received a notice and immediately letter the email them. I don't know as far as I understand. They have their little worried. They might accidentally docks the rest of the pack. I. Had A good laugh with some people about the fact that they did not email the notice. Young that one I can't speak to. I'm assuming it's because legally. They had to mail it, but I honestly don't know, but they chose for whatever reason. Maybe it was legal to mail it. And until those artists were notified, they couldn't make an announcement and it was just kind of unfortunate that violet. From one of the artists that received the notice you immediately tweeted about it so. That was the first one so absolutely that one was going to get a statement and you know we did after everyone. We confirm that everyone did get notifications so that was that one now as far as this current law suit I'll say a few things now. This is not me speaking on behalf of. I want clips itself. Is that one is? Everyone knows you know I work for them, and you know I can't really. Speak for them, you know. Although I work for them I can't speak for them all the management. Yes. All My disclaimer side. In, my opinion just as an individual. You have to understand and I guess all of us can understand this you know being in the adult industry is challenging if it's tough to borrow money, because no banks are very few banks will lend you the money. And so. You know I think if I had to guess that would be why they would go with an individual that was willing to lend them the money, but the interest rates. Were you know as you read the documents that are publicly available? You know very very high, and that kind of contributed to you know some of the complexities of the situation. I don't think it's at all uncommon for companies to. At a loss, not all companies, but like I think Uber. Her I think Amazon for awhile. No, it's not often but per company that is publicly trumpeting that they're incredibly successful as well as unable to pay back their loans. It's concerning. And won't appear to have like a big stash of capital savings as part of that Hala for her, which leads into the next one. The records that are on there are also alleged. Those are also from the CFO. Who's obviously you know you kind of have to look at it like? Each person has A. I won't clips has until July ably to file their financial documents after was it then who asked for? An extension of time. That I, don't I'm so I'm totally not you probably know the documents better than me yet? They still haven't filed. They've been asked to file. Documents in their own declarations to compete with that. But it appears they asked for an extension of time, so we don't have that information available yet. Yes so it's just a state that. Or this lawsuit. For the documents, and like the the allegations from the CFO. You have to realize okay, this is. This one perspective and the same thing like with I, want clips. This is another perspective. And so you kind of have to do your own due diligence. Which I think we're all really. Awesome with just like okay, let's let's for our own opinions. Let's read. The documents from here. Let's read what we can from there and kind of do our best to form an opinion. Guys are ditching us. One interrupt. Fairly did not in booking their time for this podcast. Take into account that. I was back. I am so. I was so surprised, but I'm so happy that you're back, yeah! One of those things you know it wasn't the right time of life at that point in time so. please. Come back, and she said it real cute, and she sent me pictures of her dogs now flight. Her three. Now not too, but the radio. Lie Cash was always my favorite writing. Yes I do have three dogs. Anyway I completely interrupted. Sorry, you called that. Anyway so. Understand that. Even those financial records might not seeing those, but it might. Have, a bias, because all of those were prepared by someone that has their own specific agenda and perspective not of its fruit as you said all of its alleged. What I will say, though just for my own experience working with I want clutch now for over a year to professional capacities while as I don't even know how many years now is an artist. J. as well as Bratty Nike. They adore I want clips and in my perception. They would never do anything that would. Drive it down. that. would be really like that's just for me. In my perception, just not because when you read the communications, the emails on the tax. It's been submitted just out of curiosity. I haven't I have not reviewed the. Student. If! It hadn't if I hadn't read those. I. I think we would've just written a paragraph. But. Jay has a history of. Being aggressive. In his communications with people. And I hope that they work very closely with a PR person. To Jason send emails on behalf of the company to people and again those emails are alleged. They could have been forged and then submitted to the court, which would be ballsy as fuck. But totally something that happens all the time report is. People are fucking stupid, but the way that he spoke. About the site. WAS DISTURBING! And I think. I mean I know him I. Don't Know Mickey I've only seen their. Personnel I. Mean Lovely Personalities Come Out Online. When attacking people. But I think in reading through things. I was disappointed at the fact that. They have excellent web developers. Fantastic promotions, people they have you know they'd done this amazing job of building this team? And then they said money's a different thing. And I was shocked at the lack of. Financial and business experience that they'd chosen to go with. And I will say that to me. That was disturbing. The fact that they do bookkeeping and tax prep. For a company that gross his. Twenty one more than twenty one million dollars a year in sales like the numbers coming through there are staggering, because they are successful on the sales side unbelievably so and they have built a team of developers designers. that. Are they know their shit? And they've done such a wonderful job of building that part of their company, and the fact that it appears as though they've treated the financial side of a business as something. That Jay can do on the back of a Napkin with the coffee stain on it is. Scary. As someone who earns money there. And I hope if I if I I mean I hope this all gets resolved nicely and we don't end up. Experiencing sight, sale or anything because everyone knows how great site sales go right because the new people always come in and don't immediately break everything. But I hope it's all resolved amicably because. It would be a fucking nightmare. If it's not I hope they are able to sort things out. I say it does go well I. Don't listen. I naturally believe that everyone is pretty shitty. Because I am Shitty, and therefore I do occasionally sit back and go well. I'm going to enjoy this. I don't actually we want to watch a major site burned to the ground like I. Want to make very clear I think there's things that I won't clips does wrong, but clips for sale does wrong that many visitors wrong i. think that there is a long way to go in this industry on a variety of friends I do not. Wish for any site to go down in flames. We've seen it happen or even at we as performers mistakes that we've made like I've been in the business fifteen years and I. Still Look back on things that I've done that I'm like. You know could have did this differently or even now like different, and here's the thing that I wanNA point out. Real quick is that? One thing that we do know Bratty Nikki. Built this company from being a performer am I right. Okay, so a lot of this is a very interesting topic that doesn't get touched on very often, but should be a lot of adult performers. Don't have business degrees and business background, so when something like this, this is probably a project that she built out of not having a place for the the SMS dominant community to have content featuring. Just 'cause I, mean I want clips is basically the FEM Dom- world you know clips for sale on them Don overdrive right so when she made this site I. Don't think they had any clue as to how popular it would be and so in. In that interim, not having that type of education, not having that type of background, and I'm not defending them. I'm just saying think of it. As if Katie was to get you know five million dollars in decided that she was going to open up. You know I don't want clips, dot, com, or whatever you know, what I mean like are an opposing site. A I don't mean open up a I. Don't want Dot com, just saying like as an example now I just want to buy that and just no, don't that is that was a bad idea? I revoked that I rebuke. And it'll just be like a giant picture me like. I. Don't see I will. Never I wouldn't do that, but I'm just saying like. If all of a sudden, you know, aries gets five million dollars in decides. She wants to build the. Things that hold on that features the things that she wants to make you know. The things that she doesn't like about many things that she doesn't like about this net site and make the ultimate site that is that features the things that she likes okay, and then now that site blows up and she's making twenty one million dollars a year. You know what I mean like you hope you hire the right people that guide you in the right direction and you hope it's you make the right decisions by. Going from the former to a multimillion dollar success. Owner Kinda. Get that, but at the same time they started in two thousand fourteen. They are still like the people who do their bookkeeping. Taxes are like an online service. That's out of state for them. They basically have the same level of accounted fancy ID at least they're filing their taxes. True that down knocking. Down one like corporate financial malfeasance that has not been alleged in this lawsuit. I'll be honest. Part of my Migraine was like. Please God let this about taxes. Please Gov the CBO taxes. Because I was like. That's real, fucking. Simple the cover, but it was much more layer I'm not. I'm not trying to argue with you and I'm not trying to I'm surprised she icing. In trying to find other perspectives to look at this, as because I get it because if someone gave me five million dollars. Business fifteen years, and still things that I'm like really like content organization. Log about it, but let me tell you. My own system fails me sometimes just say damned as of having folders and find contact me. Take responsibility though. I mean it would be one thing. If she sold t shirts, it'd be like, of course you didn't fuck it. Hire someone, but she handles money on behalf of other people. That yet. People, that's right now. I think if you may may already your sewing selling like a some type of product that doesn't rely on making sure. Other people also get paid for the product. Well, that's one thing, but she's acting as a middleman, and her of is acting as the middleman, and that's when it becomes something like you need to bring outside health and. And for that if you don't know how to do something correctly, you need to get somebody to teach you how to do it or you need to do it yourself or and again they have assembled a team that I mean. I did a bunch of looking into who works there and stuff. They've assembled a team of amazing developers. Contractors Programmer like honors. Cha. Well. No they I mean when you look at who works there and you do have to dig around a little, but. When you look at who works in May have people in every part of that business who? Are experts at what they do they have. They said we can't do this. We're going to hire someone who can, and they hired like just people with fantastic resumes who are incredibly skilled who I mean. We've seen the results, but it's Kinda like they went. We can do this money thing. It almost feels like they literally went. We do the stuff that people don't see. and to me. You. Put Lipstick on it, but in the background you're doing math on pieces of paper and as a company that is essentially a payment processor. That attitude worries me. 'cause sixty percent of that revenue is not bears. Right. And I think you. I think you have a responsibility at that point and as a performer. You should know that that's a responsibility. Because sixty percent of all that money coming in ain't yours to start with. It isn't. giving. Don't make me come over there. Bring it on for now. Live in Baltimore. I encourage you to come. Canadian bitch. I'm. Carol Y'all appreciate this violence. Don't. We're GONNA just can't together. The first time I heard the word Moose knuckle. Thought it was like about Punching Moose. So did whole funny bit about it and Mike, Cameron and everybody was killing themselves laughing and making fun of me and I didn't get it. We just have a camera time and then to Google. And then I was like Oh, my God he actually said something offensive about fat vagina. In here I thought he was making a joke. The Canadians were tough. I'm an idiot. We can have you donate the funds charity. Oh girl I, am a skype cam girl entirely because I. Don't fuck with that for allies. Not My thing I have resting bitch face. And, it would hurt my finger. Oh No, not you Katie. I do. We're done talking about I want clips now we just did. Model tip of the week, which is very relevant to the I walked clip situation staying informed about things happening in the industry can help you better prepare for problems that may arise. That could impact your earnings a reputation as a performer. Do Your due diligence for sites that you decide to sign up for ask opinions from fellow industry members and remember it's important to not put all your eggs into one basket. Yes summa's and before you sign up for the sites remember you're giving them your personal information in Ip address! Yeah if you listen I and always so excited when we see a new site being launched. I get so excited and I check into them. Check all the forms where people say I will not ever be the first pitch to sign up for one of those sites not anymore. No never I never was. Like because our. Work and All of them exist for six months. See how much they fuck it up. We'll go from there. Because as we discovered, a lot of these sites are using things like Amazon web servers that they don't realize by default are completely open. And that they have to encrypt them. They have to put security in and we've seen so many security breaches like not even clips even though they had those two we they like. We've seen I. Mean I feel especially before when I was here not as much now but I think that's probably just because it summer people are outside and not releasing statements, but Lake I felt like every day. It was like surprise data breach surprise, somebody accidentally. Know Your Info surprise. Your real location is now displaying on your profile lake. Don't ever be the first pitch to sign up for a site. Honestly let someone else take the L and that is such a Non Lake community I approach for me, but I don't care. Sometimes. You just gotTa look out for number one and fuck them all. And you heard it here first, folks. Good way by the way if you want to find out what's going on, currently if you go to the podcast, a camera in podcast dot com. Almost all of our news scouts goes on camera and podcast. You just go in the search bar and just search like I won't clip or whatever, and it will pull up some articles. Click on the article, and then it'll say like filed under. Click on that I. Don't know why we don't have a list of the site news. Things on the side airy. Maybe you could fix that I'm. Casually giving you more work to do is thinking about this. Researching suffer I, won't flips the other day and then it'll show you all the news that we've posted about it. In reverse chronological order can kind scans or it'd be like. Oh Shit. This is what's happening, and maybe you'll find out cool stuff, but also it's just a quick easy way to see like what they fucked up in the last year. And you can just Kinda. scroll through it quickly and make sure you're not signing up for something. That's randomly. Models from like Steve or Joe being like by the way Gio block doesn't work by like Moose Knuckles. Will now that I know that there's a brand called Moose knuckle that makes offensively expensive Parkas. Yeah, they're like five hundred dollars. Yeah, made with real for yeah. For five hundred bucks get Canadian goose and not have a joke about my fat vagina on my jacket, and on that note you guys can checkout the syndication of this podcast on Caitlin PODCASTS DOT COM. You can claim episode one hundred twenty, and you can read about all the news we talked about unfortunately won't be able to find photos or videos of Katie's fat policy, but you can. Her only. Complex Gager joke or Push her. As often this week. Thank you so much for tuning. In hopefully the next time we go live, which will be on the twenty fifth, my internet or whatever the Hell is wrong will actually works I can talk, but thank you so much Katie and carry were carrying this show and making it fun and eventful. Thank you so much Meka for joining it in an obviously. Thank you, Dr. Even though you're no longer here. out his offer this week. Have a fantastic week. I will see you on the prerecorded. And will be joining me. 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RTFP #918: Greg Cosell

Ross Tucker Football Podcast

37:54 min | 2 years ago

RTFP #918: Greg Cosell

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They weren't really even that bad, and I got twenty dollars off using the promo code Tucker. So it's not just sporting event. It's. Any events promo code Tucker on the Seat. Geek app spread the word winner tomorrow, sponsor confirmation, Email, winter tomorrow. The latest man winner also tomorrow with the final word of the phrase that pays for this week still to come. Don't forget if you live within a country of the United Kingdom, it's mandatory that you drink daddy sodas with me at the green man pub after the titans chargers game. So I don't know what all countries touch the UK. I think it's Ireland, Scotland, maybe what else within a country France, right. Just within like a river or a lake there, what? What's it called? Brian, now's when I need. You know, I'm gonna let you flounder on your on on this one. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. See, I knew you do take the chunnel just take the show and come meet me at the green man pub. A bunch of tuck heads are going to be there. It's going to be awesome. Brian says, he's going to let me dangle, which really just means he didn't know the answer to what the body of water is between France and England. So he pieced out which makes sense. But in case you didn't know there is college football tonight, and there is the big show. Greg, I swear every week. I'm like a kid in a toy store. I cannot wait to open up some of my presence. When I get some nuggets of information every week. You give me at least two things I didn't know, and then I can use elsewhere. I guess it's so it's a week now, Greg, but I still want to start with the giants offense just because it's been such a topic of conversation. Odell Beckham junior the line. He li- man, right cetera. What do you see? What does the tape show about the giants offense? Well, I think they're run game has been a Radic. I think Barkley is spectacular as we all know. And so he will have long runs. But I think besides those runs, there's not a consistency or sustaining element to their run game, which I think we spoke about last week, two game against Carolina the week prior. Perfect example of that when he had a twenty yard run a thirty yard run and his other thirteen runs when for minus two. So there's no sustaining element. There's a big play element which is tough to live on week after week, and then the past game, I think they do have weapons. They'll get Evan Ingram back, I assume, at some point, but he li- manning still struggling mightily with consistent ball placement, and that's a huge problem. I mean in the interception he threw in the first series this week was a great example against the eagles where he put the ball on the wrong side of the receiver and then allow Jordan Hicks to get his hands on the ball, and it bounced up in the air for an interception. So it's very difficult to have a consistent passing game when your quarterback has ball placed been issues. Yeah. I mean, that's a lot, and I would say to Greg, it feels like the offense of line hasn't really helped. I think probably the biggest disappointment there would be solar, or I, you know, the guys on free agency. Yeah, I think soldiers been very inconsistent and I don't think he's quite played to the level that they hoped getting a veteran to solidify what they knew would be a young offensive line. Certainly they expected flowers to be their starting right tackle, and he's gone. And now there are playing Chad Wheeler or free agent from USC who does have some athletic ability, but he has struggled, which you would expect. So it's that's certainly to be kind a work in progress. Let's keep it in New York, Greg, because we talked about or at least I did it felt like Sam darnold had been up and down. And as a result, I really wasn't expecting another performance like that on Sunday against the colts. What did you see from darnold and in another victory for the jets at home. Well, I thought he played well, this week. I thought that this was a classic case, and this is what good coaching does. And I thought that their offensive coaching staff to outstanding job, particularly on third on the tougher down in distances like third and long, two concepts, there were defined route concepts. They were basic route concepts and by basic, I don't mean that they were easy. I just mean that they were well defined. So the route concepts were easy for him to to progression, read against a defense with the colts that's predominantly zone and a lot of too high to shell coverage. The colts defense is not not a lot of mystery to the colts defense. So this was a good defense for Darnell to play against. He's been affective on third down much of the season Ross, which is very good for a rookie quarterback. I think that's been a a function of two things. Strong play designing route concepts and Donald decisiveness, and relatively consistent Acura. So you know, I think that he's he's right where I think I would expect him to be. He's more up than down. He'll probably have a tough, go this week against a much better, Minnesota defense and we'll see. But I think that he's, he's on the right path. He's progressing the way one would expect. So Greg, I know you're in a big comparison guy, but I do think stylistically it's interesting. I feel like I see a little bit of Romo when I see darnold in terms of how he moves around the pocket, how he how he kind of he he's moving around, but he's still under control. Is that is that fair? Is there some Romo in his game or my totally off? You know, a lot of people have said that often, and you know, I'm not going to say no. So you know, that's a hard question for me to answer. I think that darnold as we have discussed and I've been working through myself because I've watched every one of his snaps and I watched. Him quite a bit on tape and USC when I was doing my draft work, he's an on guy in that he's somewhat unsettled with his feet. He's somewhat frenetic at times, but I always think that that's maybe just him, but I and maybe because I'm a little bit of a purist which could be my problem. But you know, I just think that he needs to be a little more settled on a more consistent basis. And I my guess is he'll get there. But right now he's a little bit week to week in that regard. I also want to ask you about the chargers Browns game for a couple of different reasons. Number one, I'm curious about both these teams number two of is not expecting that outcome. And number three, I'm heading the London this weekend for the chargers titans game. So I need my, I need my Greg Cosell scouting report for the suddenly rolling chargers so that I can sound smarter on Sunday on on Westwood One. So then let's have. Charging knowing that Philip rivers in the offense. So let's talk about the defense. Most people have a sense of Gus Bradley deco ordination from his days back when the the legion of boom was getting started as being covered three guy for men rush. That's not Gus Bradley anymore. And I don't know if you started to do your work, but this is a team that is very multiple with their front looks far more multiple with their coverage concepts. Gus Bradley plays Nikko with five defensive backs dime with sixty -fensive backs and what we call dollar with seventy -fensive backs this past week against the Browns. And maybe it was a function of getting ahead but he played with seventy -fensive backs. I would bet on fifteen snaps and that's a ton in the NFL. So this is not the same Gus Bradley that people might just automatically reflexively say, oh foundation cover three. Now he'll play cover three a lot of times at a base when it's first down. But when you start getting into his sub pack. Ages. He is incredibly multiple now, so I want to go back. You can use that Ross. There's one of your nuggets for this week incredibly multiple. He's not just playing victory. Definitely using that. I'm definitely using that. And I'm definitely wondering also, you know, I was not expecting that from either end. So I guess I'm wondering that game tell us more about the chargers or the Browns. The Browns defense had been good. They got pretty torched run gay in passing. The Browns offense had been okay. And it felt like you know, the chargers really stifled Baker Mayfield. Yeah. I mean, I would say again, we just spoke about darnold. This was not one of me feels great games. He did not see things as clearly as he has in the previous games that resulted at times and poor decision making and kind of a mix of impatience and hesitation. I know that they seem like they don't go together. But when you watch your quarterback, you can always tell when he's not. Things clearly and he sorta hesitates. But at the same time, he's frenetic in may feel it had a little bit of that in him in this game. And again, you're, you're talking to someone who's done this for a long time. None of the surprises me. You know, he's in what is third or fourth NFL start against a pretty multiple defense and in a game in which they got behind. So I wasn't surprised really at all. Right? That's a good point to that for rookie quarterback game script and how the game flow goes. Can be a real out also say, just watching that Greg, really impressed by Melvin Gordon, you know, I always thought he was pretty good, Greg, but it seemed like everytime macular got a chance with productive, but that I thought that was a really nice game by going. He is much more of a banger than I thought. I thought he was. I thought he was a slasher. No, he's he's become net in the NFL. He obviously is you remember, came in Wisconsin is a guy who seemed to have forty plus yard. Touchdown runs every week and people thought of him as a big play. Explosive back. That's not what he is in the NFL. He's kind of an inside grinder, but what really struck me about their offense and you don't see this that often in the NFL is they repeated plays. Numerous times plays that work. They kept repeating, and you could argue that's really good offence. And if it doesn't work, people say. Well, there's no, you know, there's no diversity to their to their offense. You know, they do no imagination. But when it works boy, they really smart. I love it. You know, as a former offense of linemen that we use to sweet, Lisa, scream to the sideline, keep running, keep running. Whatever the play was. If things working, you know, make them make them stop it, which by the way the Tennessee titans could not due to the ravens pass rush. I mean, that was that was brutal, Greg evens doing that. The titans could not block up. Well, the ravens are very multiple as well with their looks and their pressures. And then that gets exacerbated by the fact that even when they did get it blocked up, individuals would would lose in one on one blocks and it they have a bad mix right now. It's a new offense. I still don't think Marcus mariota's particularly comfortable yet in this offense. Well, whether he gets there, we'll have to wait and see. But right now he's not comfortable. He's still showing a tendency to break down and leave the pocket prematurely. I think within the context of this offense, he still needs much work with his patients and his progression reading. And so I, you know, I think, and you know, it's easy of course to to say that about mariota. But the other thing, which I think they were very much hoping to have an expected to have was at least a consistent run game. And there's no run game here on a week to week basis whatsoever. Very puzzling. You know, giving what they've invested in the offense of line. And given that we thought the offensive line would be one of the better groups and the league. This is more of a philosophical question, Greg, but we're in year four for Marcus mariota and Jameis Winston, is there a time in a player's career or around time when you believe that what we're seeing is kind of is who that guy is. This is what he's going to be and what we're going to get. And you know, longer expect to see growth. Well. I, let's put it this way. I think when you see a player within the same offense with the same coach and the same system over a meaningful amount of time, let's say three years, then you get a very strong idea. I think when you change systems and Mario has now been through three, he's in his fourth year and his third system. So I think you have to be careful you I, I'm telling you what the tape shows. I'm not indicting Mario to as a player. This is what the tape shows now he's not very good, but that doesn't mean he can never be very good. And he's in a brand new system, which is, you know, has a lot of elements to it as most do so it needs time. They can't run the ball, which hurts him. There's too many long yards situations. So. I think it's hard to give a final definitive judgment on Marcus mariota. James Winston has been very up and down. He's been in and out of the lineup a little bit. Clearly the last two years now he's been in the same system for quite I think, from day one because they're cutter, I believe, has been there from day one if I'm not mistaken, and certainly the last three years and we're gonna find out. I think over the rest of this season about James Winston. That's a really good point. And I would say maybe about Mario to as well. I think that's fair though. When a guy's been in the same system for several years, you get to the point where, okay, this is probably what he's going to be an it is a new system for Mario to man. It looked like it that was ABC rural. Here's what people will say. And again, they don't have the same weapons. I understand that. But then for the people who who want to take the flipside of that argument, Ross Delk say, well, look at John McVeigh. He comes in Jared Goff was in his system with Jeff Fisher and that group and within five, six, seven weeks, Jared, Goff. And even from the beginning, you kinda saw Jared Goff looked like a totally different quarterback. There was a sense of timing and rhythm to his game. You know, mariota is theoretically in much the same system because that's where Matt leflore came from and he struggled. Now again, we can have that debate. That's a debatable thing web. Opens backs the whole the whole debate that everybody wants to have. But you know, I'm sure it some point. The coaching staff would feel like they'd like to see the offense, not just Mario, but the offense function far more efficiently. Speaking of a guy that knows how to get offense is working fishing lately. I wanna get to that Niners against the Packers. And you know, it's not often when you want to start with the team that had the backup quarterback playing, but that was really impressive. And so I know you can't really separate the two, Greg, but I'm kind of trying to wonder how much of what happened Monday night really, I guess separate the three. How much what happened? Monday night is the Packers defense how much what happened. Monday night is CJ Beth and how much that what happened is Kyle Shanahan. I, you know, obviously it's number one thing. It's probably everything you just said, but Kyle Shanahan see the thing about coaches. I Kyle Shanahan and I think McVeigh is the same way what they do so. Well, offensively is they understand the rules of defensive fronts and coverages, and then they attacked those rules. Would there play design but play designed breaks down the rules because defenses have rules, particularly in zone, man is a little different, but they're still rules, but zones clearly have rules as to how they they are. They're played and you have to understand those rules in order to attack them and break them down. And that might sound simplistic, but not every coach does that a lot of coaches just design plays and there's a lot of great every coach can go up on the board Ross and design plays. You know that in and of itself, that's what they should be able to do that. Their profession, but you really have to understand defenses. I was, I taught that by Mike Martz twenty years ago. And at the time it changed my whole view of watching tape. And I think Shanahan is truly outstanding at that. Yeah. So I guess the way to describe and you're right, I think we all know that, but I guess you can tell right, because if you watch the tape, you can tell how much of it's mental errors or how many guys are wide open. And that's a lot of that's defensive mistakes or ofensive ingenuity. And then there's just a quarterback who's placement of the football is off. The charts in is really locked in. It did seem like getting Goodwin back and healthy man. I never thought he'd end up becoming this kind of player. Goodwin? Yes. Yeah. I mean, he's obviously he could always run, you know, I think he's become a better route. Runner as time has gone on the, they use him at times as match player. By that. I mean, they'll lineup formation only what he's on the outside. Let's say on the slot side and he's the outside receiver and they know based on their their entire look that he's going to get one on one with the corner, and he's become much better at winning those kinds of matchup. They did that this week, his thirty are touchdown was a pretty good example of that, but there was another play in the game just like it as well. And you know, the thing is with that ability to get on top of a corner, you have to be careful if you know you're playing outside and you truly do not have a safety helping you over the top. Let's get to the Texans offense. I saw a stat might have been you guys on the NFL matchup Twitter handle Greg, or somebody else that had the number of times the quarterback for each team has been hit. Second place was a couple of teams tied at forty nine, the Texans, or I seventy quarterback hits. Dave allowed seventy eight, Greg, and I know they don't have a good offense of line. But my response that was that goes beyond having a bad offense online to me, that's you're getting the quarterback and the coaches involved if the quarterback gets hit seventy times. Yeah, and I think what you're seeing right now is an it's easy for me to say with the clicker, but this is what the film shows are. Awesome. That's the bottom line right now to show in Watson to me is playing to his poor passed protecting all line. And by that I mean, I think many snaps he's expecting in -ticipant, adding pressure. So what he. Does he breaks down and he moved way too early and you notice we've discussed this, you and I many times, you know, you played offencive line. There's nothing worse for an offensive lineman. And most people assume then that your fault when a quarterback steps outside of structure of the play when he should not step outside the structure of the play. You know that that makes your offensive line, look worse and your quarterback. We'll get hit more. Yeah, that was that jumped out to me big time watching that game against the bills. Finally, Greg, what got into the Cowboys offense or the Jags defense or both. You know, it's funny you say that I thought that overall, I thought that Scotland a hand and the coaching staff did a much better job with integrating route concepts to attack a fence that does not have a ton of mystery to it's Jaguars or to me more of an execution defense than a highly scheme defense. So you know, you can attack they're, they're covered three cover four principles. I think they also did a pretty good job with some out concepts versus man, which I think we've all been waiting to see, you know whether it's rub elements and clearly called these Lee is, is the go-to guy. He can win inside versus man. So they did those particular. Things. And other than that, I think it was an an and I'm not minimizing other than that. Those are all really good things and hopefully they'll keep doing them. But beyond that they did what they do and and obviously Prescott ran for over eighty yards which will not be a weekly occurrence, but some people believe that his his running ability should become an increasing part of their offense. I always walk defense on that. I'm just not sure about that. Well, I don't. They might not have much of a choice, you know? I mean, if you. I mean, if you. If if they want to move the ball and if he wants to be thought of and have a chance to be one of the better quarter, at least a top half of the league, it might end up having to be almost a Cam Newton thing, Greg, where that's a big part of what he does and you could be right, that's why you know, I'm not sure. I don't think I think I would hinder his development, but they again, they're trying to win football games. The one thing I did notice over the last couple of weeks is Michael Gallup, the rookie from Colorado state, he's kind of devolved into being there ex receiver. They're single receiver to the short side of the field, and they said a couple of plays to them. Contested catches and I'm anxious to see if he becomes more a part of their offense going forward. Now, Greg, as always, this was fantastic. I love it every single Thursday already excited for next week. Thanks so much. Thanks for us. Appreciate it to, you know what time it is that Teno to central time. Yes, that is factually correct. It's also time for me to switch from wearing shorts every day to having to wear some sort of pants, right. It just it's been like forty something here all week, which stinks. I don't like it, but it's the reality. Thankfully I just ordered two pairs of mutt and bow jeans and I should be getting them on Tuesday mainly Bri because of your recommendation literally. So yes, Martin bow is advertising. And if you use the promo code Ross for fifteen percent, you get fifteen percent off your first purchase. So it's Ma in bow dot com promo code roles for fifteen percent off 'em OTT a. n. b. o. w. dot com. But guess what? Just so you know, Brian got a pair of these when we mentioned him. Like in July one week or two weeks. We mentioned mountain bell, breakout a pair and loves them. And you randomly mentioned that a couple of weeks ago Bri which is why I reached back out to Alejandro who's the owner was like, hey, can we can we, let's let's do some more read, Brian, legitimately loves your genes. So tell us about him Brian, and I'll tell you about them next week after I get mine on Tuesday, I got the Moscow. That's. That's the the fit, whatever. It's called, got an dark blue, love them, you know, Ross my jeans and I think a lot of people have this. It takes forever for jeans to break in and once they break in their great this one first time out broken in just felt like I was great because it's high quality stuff that's like I think I'm not a big guy on. You have to spend a lot of money, but I do think a lot of times like you get which jeans. I don't know what they do it or how they do it. They're already broken and I wasn't even sure they've a bunch of different styles. I wasn't even sure which style to get because I don't really know what's cool. So I told her l. Andre, the owner, I'm like, hey, just gimme. I wanna order two of the cool one. So you can do the same mutt and bow dot com m. o. a. n. d. POW dot com. It's October. It's time to wear jeans where some good ones, but out paying two hundred dollars Mah Bow dot com. Mm. Use the promo code Ross for fifteen percent off. All right, surprising amount of news yesterday for a Wednesday. Let's start with quarterback news Brock, Osweiler. He's going to get another start in Miami to Shawn. Watson reportedly played last week through broken ribs, and a partially collapsed lung and the bills are going to start Derek Anderson a quarterback this week. So on the show and Watson thing, Greg, and I kind of talked about that already. It's to me, it's a complete failure of the entire organization, the offense of lines, arguably the worst in football to show him Watson holds the ball too long and allows themselves to take those hits O'Brien, hasn't done a better job with him to get the ball out faster, really poor. And by the way, I almost zero percent chance at the Shawn Watson makes it through the entire season at this rate almost zero percent, which is also what I said about Josh Allen and tweeted on Sunday for those of you that follow me at Ross. Tucker NFL. And of course it came to fruition when he was hurt a little bit later. And now Derek Anderson we'll start. I tweeted this yesterday, bright at Ross Tucker. NFL you are at RTF podcast. This is as bad as it gets from roster management perspective that they only had two quarterbacks on the roster. One young rookie that doesn't really know what he's doing and is over aggressive and -ceptable to injury. And the other one, a guy who in his only opportunity played really, really poorly. And then the second opportunity this year played really, really poorly how they didn't sign a guy, a veteran who by the way, salary would not have been guaranteed after that first game like that, Monday or Tuesday is beyond me. And now you start a guy in real NFL game that you just signed last week that doesn't even know. You know the plays that well, thankfully, he's a veteran and a former teammate of mind in Derek Anderson. But here's the other problem too. Okay. I highly doubt this is what DA is what we call them Derek Anderson DA thought he was signing up for. He thought he was signing up to be the third string quarterback and demento young guy. Now he's starting the very next week. Are you kidding me? And he knew that this might be a possibility, but I don't think he was thinking this would happen and certainly not this quickly, and I gotta be honest here. I don't know about there, but I know of some quarterbacks that they would not be happy that they got to go out there and play in this game with that offensive line and those receivers too bad speaking of bad by the way us why they're started for the dolphins and what I think is bad there is that they really made it seem like Ryan tannehill was going to play last week and now the latest report, Brian, he might not even play a week from the day next Thursday against the Texans. So a guy that you said was a full participant in practice at one point last week is now going to miss at least three games. That's a bad look for the dolphins, my guess is probably get find in some way for them. Onto some of the business news which by the way, Andrew Brandt will cover in depth on a branch ranch. Addition of the business of sports podcast boats get your thoughts on Jaguars owner, shod con. He says, he's withdrawing his bid for Wembley stadium, and then the chargers are reportedly well short and their goals for luxury suite sales and the NFL owners are concerned. So let's start with the second part. Okay. What's gotta be maddening for people is that literally everybody I know could have seen this coming with the chargers. No lie. Like all the things the NFL has done since I've been paying attention Brian, this has got to be the worst thing they've done. I mean, the worst move, I think they've made out of all of them which is saying a lot because literally everybody knew that this would happen with the chargers. Literally everybody that I know that has a brain which is most people have brains. That's a fact look that up. It's crazy to me that this is the situation there in LA is not going to be able to handle the chargers. They're going to have to either move back to San Diego or move to Saint Louis. And then you just start over again. They have really screwed up this franchise. Maybe they're the ones that ended up moving to London, the London chargers. They're playing their Sunday and I'll be there for it and all of you within a continent. Now I'll just stay with the country within. Country of Wembley will be there to have a beer with me after the game at degree man pub. So shot con reportedly a divisive thing among the soccer folks that he was buying Wembley. I'll just say, I'm not convinced that this thing's done yet. He's withdrawn his bid will see. He's a pretty nifty businessman. We'll see what ends up happening. There might be one of those deals like I'm withdrawing. I am renouncing the kingdom of Ramon. I'm announcing my throne and then like, okay, she says she'll marry him or whatever, and he's still has the throne, right? So I think. Do you know what movie that's from? By the way coming to America? There you go. Thank you some value. Finally, there's a coach football game to anyway. So I bet you this is one of those. Oh, yeah. Shod it's not devicive. It's okay. Can you come back? We'll check it out. All right. Some linebacker news as well, and there's a damning vont has birthed video going around Bill Belichick didn't like it too much. Yeah, I I messed up here and what I wrote down Bill Belichick didn't take too kindly to be Khalil Mack Lawrence Taylor comparisons. Bell check is always very complimentary, but he's like, we're talking about Lawrence Taylor starts with Lawrence Taylor and everybody else's below him and watchings, Evan from the Fancy Feast. Evans Silva at Evans Silva posted in LT highlight video. It's crazy, man. I mean, it is crazy, and I mean crazy. Awesome. Wow. Just the speed off the edge, the ferocity with which he played really, really impressive as perfect. He's kind of becoming the face of what's wrong with some of the guys in pro football. I expect him to get a pretty pretty hefty fine. Speaking of hefty by the way. Pretty hefty eater. I like to eat. I'm actually going to Buddy's house tonight after Disney on ice to watch the game, the Broncos and the cardinals not all that interested in that game other than the fact that I think Vance Joseph might get fired as soon as tomorrow. If they lay an egg tonight, the head coach of the Broncos at any rate. I am bringing some HAMAs with me to my Buddy's house, black bean and Saracho care because those are my jam. And when you're going to a friend's house, you want only bring the best and that is what Lantana helmets is. You can go to Lantana foods dot com and use the product locator to find land Tanna HAMAs at a grocery store near you, or if you go to the deli, whatever. It's the HAMAs with the striped lids, especially they actually looked pretty cool. It's like the purple stripe, your orange stripe. Those are the the black bean and the Saracho carrot. I'm gonna say the Broncos, get it done the night, twenty two seventeen, but I don't feel great about it. And I think this is one of those games where these teams stink. No, no. Watch this game. Dude. I'm telling you desperate times call for desperate measures. So get yourself some land Tanna Hulme's today and watch the game. NFL player. A question will here's your genius. It's time to ask Email address Ross at Ross, Tucker dot com. To do it. Take advantage of sponsor to me. Go bright, right? Hey, Ross, I love all your podcast. I listen daily and it helps me throughout my days at work. Keep up the great work. If you can. I really like one of those magin codes anyway. My question for you, do you think Jimmy Garoppolo interception issue is going to plague his career, or do you think it will go the way of Brett? Farve anyway, thanks for the great content. I gotta get back to work now from Mark. I would say Mark that it's too early on Garoppolo. I think it's too early to say he's got interception problem at all. I mean, he just kind of getting going in his NFL career has guy even started ten games yet. He's maybe right at ten. Jimmy Garoppolo has started less than half the game. I started in the NFL to put that in perspective. So I think we just pump the brakes on Jimmy g. for right now, actually I just realized I wanted to do this earlier, but the final word for the Madden phrase that pays this week. We like we Brian and I, we, we are awesome. Awesome. Said, don't love me and with you now. Yeah, come on dude. That was like the greatest. We of your life right there. We that'll do it for we Brian and me on today's edition of the Ross Tucker, football podcast. 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Even like I was on the bus, but back in the other part of the bus where everything went down, I wasn't near there. But I'll never forget. That was a girl that was like on. Maybe like twenty, twenty, two, twenty, three in the back of the bus, hooking up with another girl like getting naked, and her phone was near me in the front of the bus and her dad was calling. And I remember looking down along Oh all he can feel it. He was somewhere else. He was like something. I don't. Yeah. I just remember theon and so bad for for the father calling. If you only knew yeah, so that was that. Were you aware. Of the Girls Gone Wild. Yau's probably like ten years old or saw I'm not sure how long ago was by remember being a kid and hearing about it was like the big. You know Voodoo thing going on. It was not the right word do. Cabin and It was like the big taboos thing like I always try to find videos of girls non wild and couldn't do it there, but there wasn't really the Internet back then for me. I didn't know how to use it. But nowadays. Yeah, you email, but so should be compared to what we have today you know. Time though it was, there wasn't anything bigger I mean that guy. Joe Francis literally made hundreds of millions of dollars. So crazy. Also think about that. Is that the crazy part about the girls and wild that? Like what I'm watching porn if I watched born, I've watched a couple. Porn is when. Is that. They're doing it because they WANNA do it. These girls and there's like kind of cool about that weird fucked up way. It's like those one I do this stuff versus like when you to do it. Well, and that's what the whole thing started us i. mean they were they were starting to would go to spring break and they would have these. And these girls were were were volunteering the going there and taking the clothes, and so he just like. What have we just filmed it and put it out there? Yeah, well, always detrimental to a lot of girls because again. Yeah, they were partying going crazy. And then the sky was releasing the videos without any permissions back Niles. No, no, no, they would sign soft because I would see signed stuff. At the opera while they started, they did it, so he got. His whole thing was that he was working for show called like too hot for TV. It was back in the day when people get hit by trains, and all kinds of stuff like it was like the world's worst way to die and. So remember that infomercial opposite and the guy hit by a train like. He's working for that. And then all these girls would people sending naked pictures all time videos and he ended. They would just throw them out and he's like. What are we throwing these out like we? This is what people WANNA see. Then a light bulb went off in. The guy made all kinds of money dude and He was such an idiot because he had, he had it like he had a way to, and he wasn't very nice people. He was working with everyone that was working for him. Just had horrible. Say about him, but. The same time, he just got greedy like they told him. Don't go to I, think it was Florida or Texas. You're not allowed US now. We're going to go there. And he goes there and get cigarettes Texas. He was targeted and gets arrested and then, and then he didn't had tax problems than other kinds of problems than some one of the girl's father like. Paid a guy to kidnap him. Stick a DILDO zone ASS. And then. Say like and they try to like. You know extorted for the money. All kinds of issues out I mean, but it started off going pretty well for the guy. If, he. Just. told it down something anyway. Let's talk about it was a skyrocket that sucker. I mean it really I mean we've talked about the early two thousands, Layton. Latest nineteen nineties and earliest do thousands that shit was everywhere as Donald I remember Doug Stanhope for that because I. Was the girls on wild guy before me for I tried out for. A Haitian I do this and he was like it's good money, but he's like these are the worst people you ever. GonNa meet. He gave me a whole thing so I was happy with that job didn't didn't come through. When you got. It are so jealous because you know how single dials like. My Dream I didn't actually do it though and that none of I knew how ever actually worked for the? Anyway L.. Let's talk about The the the the the fights going on Wall Harris for over him man. I felt so bad for Wall Harris just. You couldn't help. I know all Harris came to. My show, wrote his wife. I, it was after there are laughs. Making Fun of he was dying laughing I had him out of his chair, laughing one of those. You Run around the room, the person Ira de like he was right on crazy right and it was. It was great. It was great. But. Man. Fight I was hoping stopped early and I like over him, but he had hurt I. mean all bad. Some rest would have stopped it. He didn't have to write ref for some reason because I. Don't know what it is. Maybe it's because of a lack of fans. Going crazy, but rests aren't stopping fights during quarantines I mean. We saw with Anthony Smith fight, and now it's this fight maybe because they don't have. Going crazy, so maybe the impact feels even harder on the wrath. Oh, we got to stop it early. Letting fights go, and not in a way this one happened to be. You can argue that was all right came back in one or like with Anthony Smith fight. Like. Week before it could have stopped ten times by the rest. Of, the Elkins the Elkins fight I didn't feel like they let go very long. I thought they stopped that you know. Like Second Punch on him didn't land when he was on the ground. Because I wasn't stopped. Our. Who Was it that? Was the dominant crews. No it was who was on the prelims. A round fight. Brown yes. That's right. On the ground, he got on the good one and he was days. When you sell the replay that Second Punch missed. So. He was still had a chance and he jumped all over it and Stockton so I think that was telling. You say all of them but I. Wasn't stopped. Gala got one go. Like maybe. A hair early I. Don't know, but Matt Brown got up and he was dazed. He was like he's A. He looked like afterwards like he didn't know what was going on, so let's. Jump right back up, but I mean. But but yeah, but this anyway the over invites should not have been stop but I was hoping it would have been stopped. Didn't see wall Harris was in the best shape I mean when they said he has to cut two to sixty five and he's. Like I mean he had so much former on. And you just oh man. I mean you know he saw his opportunity and he went for it, and he gassed out, but you can't blame him. VDI Adam hurts. Hours his window. He needed a stoppage knockout I think. This he was going to get knocked. Guy I think really was fully convinced. The US GONNA get the out and he put everything he had into that blurry and then after that. It was nothing feel like every time? The UFC uses fighters personal tragedy in their life to promote a fight or They always lose. It's so depressing. Look with Anthony Smith. He really faced adversity when intruder broke into his house, and he gets beat the fuck up for five rounds and then while Harris. You know we all know that story well Anthony. That fight. I felt like he was doing well. The first two rounds didn't get beat the fuck for all five rounds, but everyone of his fights. I'm always like. Hey, you lose the first two and then come back into third. He's such a slow starter. And maybe there's a reason for that, but this one. He was like no I'm going to go then he's. He gassed and Glover's not the guy you want a gas against. But that was rough, but you're right about that about the the the tragedy thing was like Oh, God so to. It's almost like they play the song too much to words. Bill Duck too much sooner now you know there's added per on top of what he was already feeling. You know there's all the pressure of that story and I swear to God I'm not saying this to be in any way facetious or to to make fun of the moment. But when he was at the very end, when he's got his hands, his head in his hands, and he's just all healed overtaken shots. It's like you can feel him apologizing. For the moment you know, you could feel the regret like walk. I'm going out. I can't win and to tell you it was. It was a very for me, but really bad for the guy that. Because the way they're all been played up and playing out publicly the big show and everything. I really felt sorry for him and I felt like that was going. Over it was a step up anyway, it wasn't like. Like Oprah I mean look how good ovary miss now over says he wants a title shot I'm like I don't know if a range you get a title shot. Because he seems to every time, he goes up for a title shot. He gets I mean. In Ghana. His head was still flying for three years. Steve faulk them up. So who is who left Curtis Blades, so it's going to be over in burst. And fight at safari that I would I would pay to see I'd watch I. Don't know if he can crack the top two or three guys I mean. Data Cormet I. Don't think he's GonNa be. He's to begin gourmet, so but at the same time in the heavyweight division and over good, it's a lot easier for a guy to number six guide to win the pull off the upset. Angela Hill versus Claudia the Galea. I thought Angela one Badu. Totally do here. It was the story of the night. It's been the story of Florida like it's like on the one hand. They got to to be out there I because Florida would let. But at the same time you got Florida, judges who? Live in the upside down, and you'll see everything backwards because it was not just. Although. That was I think it was spectacular. Up and down anytime winter then it was like an taking crazy pills. Is. Angela hell was closer than the other one. CHEETO got robbed by Song, Dong to legally fouls awful, what happens is somebody they make terrible. Call it beginning of night, and then every every other bad call was like well as bad as the last one, so that one gets pushed over a little bit. It's almost like. You like you hook up with the other person you could find and then when you get like the fours and fives like well. At least it's not you know the zero that I hooked up with. You know it's not the slump buster so. You're not getting the parallel this now. Who is still I felt it was completely agree GIS. Okay, but yeah so. It's almost like the judges were wearing masks on. There is located. They didn't know and. In Florida. That might actually happen I. Don't count that as a loss for Angela Hill though I don't especially when you're number, six persons number, seven or seven six. Heath Peterson by the way. Now the dominant crews that he smells like alcohol and cigarettes I every time I look at the guy i. think of him smell like alcohol cigarettes. That's one of the ill. He looks like you would smell like alcohol cigarettes him. He looks like he just tinted dark room. Just you know vying styled. Jerk off online, and then they call I'm like. Oh, I got to go. You know ratify. One hundred house kind. Yeah, he has some kind of creeper. Look Man, you're gonNA find a girl locked in his basement. I think for sure I can sit. You're a bunch of kids hanging out behind like seven eleven. High School kids, and then Keith, Peterson there at the as the guy buying them drinks for some reason like he seems like that guy that was always been. And sell them cigarettes. There's always that one guy that was like to hang out with a high school kids. He graduated like four or five years ago. Everyone's like happy because he has a car and he's cool sort of, but he's not really cool when you. Like! Why was that Guy Twenty three years old? Eric Anders man this case. I think of a guy being two athletic for his own good I mean. The guy was a two time national champion for Alabama football and he he got kind of thrown the UFC. Cause US knocking everybody out, but now I feel like you're seeing a little bit of where he needs to catch up on. These! Guys have been fighting for ten years longer than him. would that was another one that I thought that he clearly won the fight to to one I'm you? Know Eric said he lost I. Think it's about Barboza. Or boza lawyer. said to Dan EJ that fight. Wall now. The grapevine is a great fight, but yeah Barboza. Won that fight. I mean all of sucks so bad for him. He was on his way out of the UFC twos asking for his release. And then you go even more weight than you're used to it. Then you lose to a shitty decision, but Dana said he thought he won. so. I, you know. Dan Thinks you one. He's not gonNA get cut anytime. Soon is a good at one forty five yet. EJ, now on five in a row. You called out the Korean Zombie. Guy You. Don't call out Zombie because. He been killing people. ZOMBIES been it up, everybody reasonably, I mean. He ran through Frankie Edgar. Who the fuck run through Frankie Edgar? Nobody Kevin Ran Lemons in the hall of fame so happy Kevin ran and. There's a guy we had in the PODCAST I. Don't Know How many times he would call the afterwards. You called me to talk. He was such a good guy. Now. What happened was when I first started following me, and I got Kevin randle men. He came on the podcast. He got mad and I thought I was going to get roasted, not toasted. He really was like getting Matt me for not roasting in. Your legend ll come on, Man Make Fun of Me Make Fun finally one day. I was like all right. Having a contest giving out a free tank Abbott signed whatever the best person with Kevin Random and thing, my whole thing flooded with and Joe just him do steroids and guessing out. So, he calls. He's like tap tap tap to over the phone he's like to. Tell them to stop tells us because like my wife was yelling at me right now. Going you fucking asked for this idiot. Isn't that like and we became friends? I got him I got him. Who's adding Ma awards you so happy? He was a guy who I think that like. People forgot about him, and and he was out of the spotlight. He never crave the spotlight. He was coaching wrestling a wrestling club fifty kids that were wrestling for him. He was a two time national champion. He was a great motivator. His wife was beautiful woman Elizabeth. He's got like five kids, and it's funny because I had Dana White on the podcast I'm not saying that like unbe Guy Looking for accolades of people telling me how great I am, but I had Dana on my podcast. Two years ago and I said Hey. When's Kevin Random and GONNA? Make the hall of fame. Is that GonNa Happen? And, he's like. Yes, out of my promise. That'll happen. So when that happened I was like I was so happy for him. Because you know, it seems like a visual I'd love the video bags together because I feel like it really give a lot of perspective on his influence on the modern. You have see. I thought that was pretty amazing, but I think it also spoke to what you're saying that he was kind forgotten. The forgotten guy I feel like he was there right before it really exploded. He was before those guys. You know the ICEMAN and and. What's his name? Yeah all those guys you know before bachelor really. Like you, white people like one class people and. He was also a little inconsistent. I mean he? He came out, and he was just murdering people a first, and then when he knocked out Cro cop, it was like a topic world in a couple of losses that maybe shouldn't had lost a randy tour. Like good great guys, but then he kind of has injuries in some as have issues towards career. He wasn't the same Kevin Ramen. But the Kevin Random in that came out of college that was a two time national champion that was jumping over the ring that was just murdering people. I I think would have been. Maybe the best ever had. He also had the right coaching. He also came from a background I just did wrestling didn't know Jitsu. Hammer house wrestling. It was him Mark Coleman though Baroni West Sims. It was just team Hammer House and they were just fucking tough guys, you know. but Kevin was awesome like I. Mean you talk about a motivating guy? I can't stress if you want to listen to some good podcasts in the Kevin around him in an may roasted like he, he recalls when Tito Ortiz no one randy, be Coleman and Tito. Ortiz was talking Shit. Coleman like in the octagon I think it was. You've seen one. Hundred and Kevin was washing from home and he got so angry. He started running to the arena to fight. Tito Ortiz and. His wife followed him in the car going. Get back in the house. Do. You had to go to run. Run, you go, find Tieto, but that's the kind of dirty. was you know he didn't need anybody with them? He didn't even. Like. He was like fucking making fun of my guy. I'm GONNA go ghetto. That's Kevin Randall in for like? You, he was the best all right so Sanga down I thought he lost a good fighter. Though Vera always starts slow, there are certain fighters that first round. They figure you out and they kinda. Give away the first round and item in the ASS. And that's what happened here. Even though I thought he warned. I will do not Brown was doing at first and then. You would make. A log all damage. Know I just like. You have see. Classic! Out some name baby. Like oak you don't like. The guy that took the final three days. Notice Oh yeah. In the. G-GONNA and like a class of them. and. Ranaldo pretty well did pretty well like. Three quarters of the first one. But. The other guy realized Oh, I could do whatever I want you, and at that point. He would just picking his shots. You just kind of fuck it with them. You know the guys talk nails and he would try to get in there, but the the guy kept him at range. He was taller. Obviously, it helped the crew cab I mean the second. He realized he can just pick them apart it was it just didn't. Did have a rudy feel to it or you were like. He's watching the guy. Yeah. I mean. You don't mean he clearly he it in. I I mean and that's the thing like I want to. Look like. Thursday and I'm like well. Should they allow someone to take a fight on Thursday daily? Shit is, but I, guess having already lost one. Lewd one thing. Yeah Anyway I disagree I was like Man I? Don't think you let a guy. Take a fight on Thursday. I liked was had him on the show to forgotten the train. The guy that fought Darren. Yeah. Here's. It's funny. He kind of looks. Like. A citizens character. He has like a son space. There's something. That's not a regular character. The show before and The episode where homer mom really good shape because he went to the game. That might be the while now. I mean he looks like circumstances but I forgot Joe having on the podcast I, don't but what? He opened his mouth in the interview post by interview I was blown away I thought Mike Berry was the wigger King of the you have C. Dude step aside. When he was yelling like Dana. Utah there was like. A million people in the in the crowd, but what he's by himself. I almost feel data. Feeling uncomfortable like like. WHO BRING INTO? This. LOVED IT I. Although I feel like. Turn around and start yelling for the owner of you have seen him. You actually knocked him. Over close fight. A. Walk Away, but you didn't. You can get a really good and just. Wanted to find him the. Over I mean. It's like he hit A. Gorgeous foul balls starting to run. Away. Only Game I wanted to fight it. It's almost like he was surprised that he was there, but I'll tell you. What though everybody was talking about? Somebody said that he's the person that somebody put on my twitter theory. This is the guy he thinks of as the Guy who robbed entity Smith's house like the Meth had the game like the clock in the? Votes the guy that's. What? So, I don't mean to change the subject but we just had a week of three UFC cards, which was so great. You know we have like a month or two months off but if you go on, you have sees website. They only have one event listed in upcoming section, and that's the man mandate Nunez versus leashes. Spencer for June sixth, and they only have five fights on that card so far. Do you of C. Blue their load with all of these? When we the trying to find a spot may thirtieth the deterrent to find. The spot may thirtieth, but they gave her something i. don't know something like they can't go to Jacksonville again or something so that looking either like. Our Zona. So. They're actually trying to find the spot right now, but there are even who's the headliner I thought it was really woodley vs Burns. That contract was signed, but I guess it's not all these comments on all these fighters keep a posting out like contract came in. If my opponent, the sign it. Just kind of trying to sign like a thousand fights right now and seeing who actually signs it, Menem. That's exciting. Wait for that big load. Come out of all the fights that have just been made can't wait for that Dude I. Watching August Is something. I never watched the office because it was mostly shown thousand. When we are out of the clubs every single night so now in quarantine I'm getting your watch all these episodes I because I've never seen before some watching Washington the first time. And and I can't. And now bats swear a realize. Roasted came from the office. Gums. Michael Scott gets roasted thing and he gets all, but hurts that he comes back the next day with all his notes on. Everybody Goes Urine Alcoholic, and you're beginning to look like a man boom roaster. Yes. It's from the. Either that was bad aspirin like made it up. He took it from the office. I didn't know it either I was watching. Roasted spoo- roasted. The. Whole areas episode. You have to see it. Didn't see the guy says because I get I get the the memes all the time, so. Right so waiting for Karla Sparta to come on 'em. As well as for mccorkell all right so now, everyone How good Mike Tyson look right? The my Tyson video the fifteen. The bread and we talked about that right well now now banner Holyfield. made a video and he said he's back to so now. They're gonNA. Make Tyson holyfield three. I. Don't know about this guys. They're both old right release. They're both really old. One old asked you to against Jon Jones I mean that's the other thing. Why not have a seniors division of everything I mean if people want to see him? I mean look Jordan malls. All is play basketball again. People want to see it, so we get paid to see it I don't see why they shouldn't do it and we still have stamina you know. It's like three on three kind of became. People were watching. Those guys who are still good the three on three guys and they weren't. Anyone going to talk about. You know Cadel Tito three. On golden boy a May! Like we're going at no, they're not nobody's reference. That ever was going to say that. Chuck Lavelle beat Dido twice when accounted. People still paid to see it. Rewrite people right people so right. You're right, but at the same time I don't know about this Tyson Holyfield and they're gonNA. Win Again this thing I think he. This guy has holyfield's. has his number. And I want ice in a win. I do I. Just don't know if it'd be holyfield again, are ever he never be on the first time? This point, it's a full reset so. They're not the same people they were bottling, so it doesn't I mean it's a full reason who else. was in a biologist, his hearing aid. But nobody spent seriously either. Pay For jokes I their walk into the ring today. It's an air on the his four. Bottles filled with metamucil. Yeah, I mean for comedy purposes shore. Have this fight all night long I'm GonNa make fucking one after another. They're going to have a ramp on the way in there, but at the. Walk away. Going to be wearing the. Yeah. Working for the fighters, I mean there's. This. Back Out! Again. This is going to be great for that. Sure, please at the same time I think what we feel though has been staying training the whole time. He hasn't left the gym. Tyson took like fifteen years off. So I don't know. I don't even know if it's a full reset. I gotta take off, but it was like here in thirty minutes. I gotTA take. As. Zoom. What's up? People with currently? No NBA NHL MLB. You might think Ben on well. You'd be wrong. 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I don't even want to sell it now. I've I've been out of wrestling for twenty three years I saw wrestling when I was seventeen or eighteen at. It's still I still have an eating disorder I. Go near the scale, and there's so much emotion attached to like I'm like Oh. This is water waterway. This is that I could lose this and I'm like well. I don't have a match coming up. What's wrong with me like I have such eating order from wrestling in high school and college and. I. Don't know if it ever goes away Yeah I don't. I, don't think it will. I think that skill will probably. Bring up weird emotions. I'm here right now. Is a little camera thing. Okay, here we go. Go! Finish in meeting this morning to Oh there. Is. How get this out? No, all right, so we got as far as with us, cookie monster coming off. OVER KARATE HOTTIE! UFC, two forty nine did that fight go as expected? I mean just in the sense that I had my Henry's, but like she I definitely thought she was going to engage a lot more so like on that regard. No, I thought I was going to be able to get more take downs in, and and do a lot more things than I. had trained the win win. Yeah, wins a win and you got what three zero. Which is Great now at the end of the third round? You came in like Joe Frazier just throwing working crazy hooks like Bob. L. is like and I. Think you Kinda stole the round, or maybe you winning, but that that definitely helped solidify the round. was that part of the plan? Oh Yeah for sure like my coach told me like it might be one one, so he like. Just let. The Tango I wasn't tired at all and I was you know? Just let it go and and go for broke pretty much that you wish maybe that you would have started throwing those crazy hooks earlier maybe got a knockout. Yeah, definitely I felt like I and it's a nice right hand, but I definitely felt like I would. I wish I could put more pressure I just felt like she was waiting for me to come in and just keeping like you know like that. Six foot roll like. And I just kept that distance, and it was really hard to the gap on her. Now. How did you train because it was during quarantine? Who would you bring in to emulate the Karate Hottie? I didn't really bring anybody like I. Have I just treated with my teammates? Like the fight? The profile team like a field bus were still getting together to train with our coach, and he was basically like nobody's allowed to go anywhere. Just Jim Home Gym home. You know like we have jobs to do and we can't afford to get sick so. You know like we were all super careful and just kind of stayed within our group. That's why even had like a Fight Watch party in my house in somebody. Come in like you. Why are you guys get together like and it's just like one of us hasn't happened already. So whatever did you filter quite an ways? Yeah, you feel Kinda like a rebel like you were sneaking out to train with your little crew of fighters. Is So funny I feel like you're doing something naughty by going to the gym so weird by the way this is Greg Wilson one of the funniest comics in the world. We hung out that night I remember. I remember yes sure. You ask the. Long and autumn was being the shown me. Then you guys were all they? were very sweet. Yeah, he'll start making out everybody on dancefloor and everything that's. Happened, never happened I. Have Carlos said ask if I could keep it appropriate and not as inappropriate questions which end? Be Attacks that I was going to be like all right. Hey Carl. How's it going? Thank you just to see what you'd say. Rated I'm like I I was seriously like wondering if you'd even be able to pull it off on lake. I don't know about this, but you told me you like coming on the show because they asked me questions, you don't hear other people like okay. Well I'll just say that for like normal conversations, and you can just ask like be cool. 'cause you, you go over the top. Like I. Say, that's why you like coming on the show. That's why over the top and then I get s the problem i. Agree with you. Dogs especially with the girl filers, he goes way too far. Yeah, right, right. Have you heard his acts? Like My Wife. My wife I like I'm so happy. You're the best husband I'm I could not be happier the next day I'm not getting what I want I'm like what you just told me I was the best fucking husband like yesterday because she says you know. This is not working for me, but you should be used to it. Ain't. Attractive women that are bucking bipolar. Yes, that's that's true. I totally get in so Kodiak, Adele? Did you think she'd be Andrew Now I don't think so. I think that maybe the worst of ever seen her. She called you out afterwards. I like yesterday actually Kinda me out like an interview a couple of weeks ago, so after my fight like are kind of called her out, and she called me out like over the Mike and then I called her back out on Instagram so wants I wanna find her like. Let's do this now. The thing is that she thought you won that fight. They gave it to her, but I thought I think I was there I, thought I definitely. Don't you definitely her to? That was I. Think the first time that people were so how good your power was dropped her. Yeah but then she called you out cheese. Come like beat us if you call that someone that she already be technically which also kind of weird. Now I think like an interview to like. Everybody was like giving her crap after the fight like you lost that by you. Lawsuit Fight and I think she just kind of wanted solidify to people that she really one and Mike I feel like I want, and I deserved him Henry's in this time like. I really don't WanNa leave it to the judges. When knock her out. I WANNA finish her like. I WANNA leave. No, no room for error. I like the video you made you and your friends, so greg? There's this new challenge videos now we're like it's basically girls being hot, but also fighting each other, so she made it with like Ashley, and this now is as a video on Instagram, right? All want to look that up in Providence. Oh, my God yeah. To me, we all have so much time right now and like that's like the new thing like doing videos with your friends, but like them not really being there because everyone's quarantine, so, but there was another go a first video that had like other hot female fighters getting ready, it was a different challenge and it was so. Were you guys it? Was this your response to that video? Who's you guys felt left out? We did the first video actually. We were the first group of fighters. The dead like that A. don't brush challenge where you. Put a glove being you. Come back and your legs dressed up and. My team. Actually SILEX track people do his. She's like students. Domain on the girls on my team were like we did that. The Gym like pass. It love to each other, and you know got already in jobs. So you know like that. That was really fun. Not all these girls doing it like I'd. Be like a transmitter so that. But now there's like a gang of hot girl fighters against each other. It's like your crew of like you at Ashley Evans. Felice against the karate Hottie and is there. Is there a rivalry between chow? INSTAGRAM challenges brewing here. You know I don't know like. I. Don't know like I I think we were transmitters. We were I. Only wobbly per. Greg videos by the way because these girls they all. Seen videos they. Block it, and then I go. Oh, Shit! But then they're all done up and ready to go out there. Rush, Challenge, personally the first one I like the first one better that was the second was good, too, but the one with they're all like like. They're all like in just woke up like boom and all of a sudden. They're like down the second one. I like to life both of them. Baby hitting the camera I. We. All. So all right so mouth to ask you about boyfriends, right or tinder or anything like that, right? We're not gonNA. Go okay. Where do you think of the fights on Saturday? I. I think they were really good. A lot of bad like split decisions. Might teammate cheat though last like a really bad split decision against a song? That was awesome. That was the worst decision of the whole night I thought. Was Pretty bad like and I feel bad for him because he's been going like back to back like three counts where his opponents fell out in finally gets Yamanouchi opportunity. He pulls it off and he's supposed to do in. He gets a decision taken from him. So it's time at the same time you're right. One hundred percent I thought that was the worst of the of the three bad decisions. That was the worst one. However, he's a slow starter everyone who is a lot of his fights. He loses that first round. And, he comes back in the second, gets a finish or the third and this one. He didn't get this, and then I think that first round if you just want to start a little quicker at one. Yeah for sure I agree. and which is Kinda cool like I, think because he usually like candidates, beat up in the first round, and then so makes it look more dramatic when he goes and like whoops went up in the. Third and finish them. Yeah definitely It would have been a thing if he had started faster. NFL more comfortable letting go. It's hard to hard thing to do because look with Anthony Smith last week. WHO's always a starter start as fast as you be, but then all of a sudden burns out now. Is it true what they were saying on? The because you were in there that you could hear everything? The coaches saying burst is like when there's a crowd, so you do it more. Now I heard the commentators and I heard the coaches like I. Normally tune everything out in here. My coaches, but I heard like and I can hear their coaches to sometimes, but I heard like the commentators like DC and Joe Rogan like just talking and I think they're used to talking so loud because of the crowd that. They were overly like overcompensating. But, like there was no crowd to. To you know to speak over, so it was just like extra loud in here like everything that fuck you up a little bit because I would saying well I'll give us round. The water centers on things of that kind of was out in your head. Yeah. It was a little bit, but they also like Kinda gave me advice. They're like Oh Carla to do this car. We need to do that or Like all right? Let's you but thank you notice getting really. You actually take advice. A little bit like I remember DC saying like Oh. She's not you know she's not. She's either take gestured acting like she needs to put it together. More Nanna like all right. Wow, that is, that is crazy. Has It ever happened on professional sports level where the person listen to the commentators and actually changes it during the fight. Like doesn't happen in basketball. That wasn't a Bob Costas the fucking. Lakers like all the broad news to do across, and he's like Oh shit really. I mean even in baseball. The hitter is not like well. We just proud daryl more like that i. mean that's crazy 'cause it's also coming from D. C., use a good coach. Who knows his stuff? Wow. That's interesting. That's crazy. Yeah, like coaches, wrestling and seth. Yeah now was it hard? That was DC's. Advice different than what you were getting from Yama. No I think he was just like a little. The at share like my coach told me to put the numbers together. Go for more take downs, but I think just. Like Gobert. Coach always tells me like Gopro Take Tom. Come up to strikes. If that's what we train but I guess it is kind of like hearing like another boy. Hearing more people say Kinda like. Solidifies in your mind a little bit because you know that like DC is watching it like the bands or watching it or late. They're seeing it from another perspective. If they're saying it to discount, solidifies a little bit more otherwise, your friends shady smash got in trouble by the way. So so grab her friends. Janey smashes like. Going to the hottest blondes like ever see the super hot girl. He's in my phone. Is. A real estate, but anyway so she has app called fight camp where she teaches like these ten round boxing I downloaded. It was like I got to do something from Home Iva punching bag and it's great. It gives you like ten round workouts in, but pushups situps between and every day is different. The PELETON for fighting and it's free right now. Which is awesome? I'm in great shape doing forty five minute workout today is her like three other people are on it so I text Shaney like Hey I'm enjoying your your workouts like good work, you know. She puts on instagram. Thank you out of my wife was like Oh. Hell this. You're bugging working out. I mean she didn't really get mad. She was like you shouldn't put the egg. With the peeved. Trust want to get it those no exit none of that right. Now, my wife taking her class expose. That's good. She's actually. Does a good job with that. You didn't know about that APP. Have you heard of it? Yeah. I watch your story all the time and I see people posting itself, but I mean I'm fortunate at for like I'm still gonNA fight team so I'd rather have the real thing, but. I definitely wouldn't mind like checking out what her classes one day in a doing. It actually have like hold on. What's going on now? Get Him something. This is real professional Carla someone who texted me. All. Now. What is? It doesn't seem like that. Hold up very long though. I don't think so, but that's only like bag or anything I have at home, so I'll do her class I know she is one of the things. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing it's like. It's like a thousand dollars a year or something for this thing, but they send you like gloves the track how many punches you throw and they send you a bag. That like registers how many punches you throw and then. APP Yeah. The whole thing but I just do it with my punching bag. You know Y, you know. But I might I. Don't know but I'm not sure if it's quarantine. They're going to start charging again so. Pretty cool cool. I'm definitely tell her you got her. She got in trouble. Yeah because she post like like hearts like Oh, I love what I see on my. My Mom and my wife knows that I'm not gonNA like. I only have cool she's. Tolerant very tolerant. Really Greg, what is that? Pretty good. Schools of. Like. Oh, no show is a new show. You said that show like. Temptation where it's like guys get paid and not have sex on Netflix. They got like twenty people on Netflix and like ten hot guys and girls. They got him drum, and like they don't know they're on a game show like hey, you guys earn hundred grand. If you don't have sex at every time, you hook up, you lose money like that's the whole premise, so I'm like bad. You WanNa Watch. People not have sex I'll look in the mirror I'm like. All. The world heavyweight Jennifer that already announced. By me. aleks dominant everybody on the. Cowboy. released. Announce the winner of the first season. Own. Carla. How are you gonNA, turn over. I mean I didn't really take any damage in this fight like at all other than like a couple of bruises on my leg so I. I'd be game to fight like pretty soon. Honestly I can the next couple of months for sure while, and then the WACO issue. I wanted I wanted to tell you. You know you're welcome. You know you you want. Because I knew tores sleep waterson. and. So. You know so did that. I did that for you I. I was like whoever I choose loses forbidding Picked you. I, said you guys are awesome sleeping. Carla's striking. I go you guys. All everyone knows fence. A lot of people think of you as one dimensional. Because maybe when you first came, you were a very heavily wrestler and I go people. How good striking has gotten almost to the point where I'm like hoping you go back to wrestling more because I. don't want to become a striker fulltime and 'cause. You're wrestling associate. People go. They go too far the other way, really you forget that they're wrestlers. while. I was trying to go over some shots A. Keeping depending. The I. Don't know what I'm talking about, so it's like. something. PICK SOMEBODY! It's literally just a ruined their and Carla by the way, I mean no disrespect to not even fighter. Fighting not to lose refining to win. You know and I think the judges saw that two of that, she she she win the lotto kind of her. He's really good at countering kind of point fighting. and. Karate Style and you're and you're a fucking. A- Gamer. So your urine every fight Even you know. Did you always not quitting you? So, thank you. We have the Great Shawna corporal going this Carla. You could say for this segment. Marco. And say we met all right so charlotte. Car Cole was a UNC heavyweight was beat mark, hunt in fifty nine seconds. is now retired. has a bunch of businesses. Probably most of them are not legal. And spends his days argue with people on facebook about politics. Trolling fighters putting on events. He put on a huge event Indiana where it was half was fights as well as hot women, having pillow, fights and people. said that his vice were fixed because the pillow fights were not real fights or something but this year it is, he's hilarious. Probably he's people that do comedy should not do comedy Greg. I will back me up on this. People 'cause. They're funny here and there there become comedians and they're just wasting everyone's time. He's the one. Three people were I'm like you need to comedy your fucking Hilarious for some reason. He hates himself very way. It's the mccorkell minute. Come in fresh. You've seen them in the UFC Intel tour. He's got a win over Mario. Putin, Hausky. WHO's the world's strongest man? For Sean mccorkell. Follow that a buildup. Was Funny, you said some people say stuff. That's funny here on their should do comedy. There's some people do comedy never said Anything Funny Donald Stage or otherwise, but enough about ready. Sean, we'll get them later. What are we got? Okay finally able to a few jokes. Add stuff going on. The is You Know I. Don't know if you saw John Jones and Francis have gone to have been going back and forth you know talking. Smack each other about fighting I think it's probably a terrible for John Jones, honestly just. Do Ungodly, the amount of power, and has but I did see a tweet recently a John Joe Kaminisco said. It's only gonNA, listen I've got a six pack a bunch of weapons. You've never seen a huge amount of speed. Wait a minute now. That was just a list of what police found in his car last month. Make only more. Along the. On that one. was. Still debating this one. Song. We were. Getting nervous you'll. You're talking about shop two minutes ago? But I heard one time at a party. He told somebody that he sees himself as a second Communist, Richard Crime. which I thought was pretty APPs Bahamian anything. That's what I think of when I. Chaumet jobs man that guy who goes Richard, Pryor, but. Also on that topic I saw never letting your stand up comedians a couple of years probably. Did you see where I'm? Richard Pryor's wife said that during the seventies when prior would do too much cocaine like he would actually hook up to have sex with a Marlin Brandon I. Don't know if you heard that that was like a big story there for awhile and they were saying that he was blowing Marlon Brando. Several parties is thinking about it. I was like you know like shout may not be second coming of Richard Pryor, but he reminds me a lot of Richard Pryor the second time that the come. US. He's such. She got. All the same topic. It's been a weird. We're. Got Mike Tyson says he's coming back maybe to fight a six year old holyfield got Josh Thomson. Announced his retirement. After five years, not competing all of a sudden now. He's GONNA retire. You Got Henry so Doodo said he's GonNa retire Saturday night, and then he just announced today as manager, said Zoom in the summer. This whole virus thing going on and. The whole thing is weird because it's like like Dana White Day, he that don't expect to see any fans for the rest of two thousand twenty at in a UFC events, and he said also not for the first quarter of two thousand twenty one if. Doesn't come back and fight. Because? He's not a very big draw, okay? Got It. We got it. Good when you find yourself explaining your drugs. So material. Anyway so. Think about in gone. Think about job for. Or Whatever And I'm thinking what they have in common and the only thing you come up with as Ghana's fights or a lot like a nine Greenwich Shops Bedroom. Like! It's over faster than we hoped. Everybody involved reach disappointed. One Guy, likely has brain damage, and it usually ends up with a twenty block island top so. That was. All he up with for a job in Ghana's. So that's pretty much what I got to know. That remind signed looking to racist. Went up with Shaab. Are you like not a fan myself out every day? He got mad a long time ago because Matt. Material asked me to make some joke or derisive jokes around when they were in a fight and I first thing I said is that he reminds me of a Adam Sandler Down's syndrome, but even more retarded, and so like math that that on line and I roasted with something else and so he did some article where he said that it. He's mad me out, MACK! I'm on right in the droves and Blah Blah Blah, so we ran into each other somewhere. And I heard him say something in an audition. I heard him say something about me and challenging the fight then he wirtten. Because, I'm very mature, yes. insensitive but. I heard you say something about why was supposed to be doing my lines this audition that he's auditioning for? And you got something to say like right in the Middle Mile dish or whatever slapped him. And then Rogan was funny, I was on there he on the podcast one day and shops like. Oh Yeah he's real funny guy. He's still alive, or he bankrupt now or like saying stuff like just always saying always always say about Lebron every person he finds, he can only focus on his shoes. Boots most likely. In person whenever I'm around, he stares down. I won't say anything but Clus who wants to see those guys struggling for years that are genuinely funny to make comedy and then the funniest person I've ever met. My life has a showtime special just doesn't make sense so. I. Guess I'm a hater, jerk, but He's already blocked blocked meal. It's funny, he he's so dumb. Trash him on twitter all time, and he walked me on instagram. I never even. BEEN ON HIS INSTAGRAM I've ever said this rampage. I'll never send anything to his wife. I wouldn't do that. I'll say stuff about her say tour and then. Yeah the new blocking on Instagram, but really showed me, but not on twitter so. So that anymore jokes. Yelling, it was kind of racist I. Change Online. It's all to give it up for. Everybody! We'll see wakes. Bass. Thanks. Load? Basically, the boss you're like. Steak. I WITHOUT The hold though. As agree with all of this. I know I was I felt like if I laughed at some of them like it would be like bad. Laugh or anything you want anything you can't get mad at what people funny. That's you know. That's the thing Carl look look like you've been your chest your about line here you don't. Go this. Yes, muscle just. Always there. Just because I just see. Probably neck, but I've been lifting a lot like this last couple years and taking supplements. All. We careful with that. Come on. Careful that. Look. Like snapple moment. Even even supplements as what people came to the court everybody that gets hot as I just took a smoothie at GNC and then next thing you know and I'm just like I mean I'm sure a lot of them are close yet, but I do. A lot of them are full of Shit, but I also only take third party tested a product so mountain and hp like they are informed choice so like like homeless one hundred percent like penny pop. If you're making a supplement Jesse even the vitamins I take our authored purchase I don't take chances. smoothie by than and I'm like. Good good good well, listen Carla. Thank you for coming on the show I know I ask you a couple times like? I'm having a comedy show like I'm in fight Kim, Gir- and I got a text i. get back like Hey, you want to fight, can't. Shows that Saturday at noon? I, don't care you know so like I get it. That's that's you and you need to focus, and you can't have other crazy shit on your head so I. Think on my friends like the. Now, like even like Ashley and Everyone Look I. Didn't talk to them for like a month in. They're like hey, hey. I, know you're like. Invite Mall, but I miss you Mike, Thanks or Impersonal? Mind my process. You know, but I get it. On post fight anytime. In fact, there are certain fighters and Tyron Woodley I think are the most 'cause like would be like a month out. It'll be like two months out. Sorry man gotTa Focus and I'm like that's good. It's when guys aren't focused on. Like like people are tweeting me people I had fighters texts me like an hour. Their fight like hey, any good jokes for my opponent on like. Dell well, either. That's better would. You're fighting options. Our on my Disney'll might just win and focus, please. You don't worry about jokes. Jokes are over to jokes will be there. Takeover my account and just like roasts Claudia. Yes I can. That'd be hell. Yeah, let me know that'd be yeah. I'll give Claudia jokes. I like Claudia though. How's your English? Is it better now? Wishes, good because I. don't like Rosie those big English I feel like I'm like I'm bullying them a little bit. You know like I feel like I'm just not. It's not. Only like people that they can you verbally comeback at me if some of those began now English is we've actually had like twitter wars like years because we had our fights were like eight years in the making like or longer, so you know, I'll tell you. We have a lot of history, so we see each other before twitter, so English is good enough to trash no problem. I got you I got I. Got Your Back I. got your back well well, thank you. Joe, Greg Gracie and your brother. You, guys take on anthem. Trump's drive don't. WHO WANTS TO COOK? They did.

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What Went Wrong at Telltale? - Kinda Funny Games Daily 09.25.18

Kinda Funny Games Daily

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What Went Wrong at Telltale? - Kinda Funny Games Daily 09.25.18

"What's up. Everybody welcome. Kind of funny games daily for Tuesday, September twenty. Fifth twenty eighteen. I'm one of your Greg Miller alongside the busiest lady in the business, Angie, Renee, what's good, Greg, auspey and back together. It's been so long. Hacks, I think, right. Yep. Accent. We saw these hosting the show for sure before then. Yeah, luckily we've just done nothing since then. It's been boring times sitting at home playing video day only. We're all. Have you been injury Rene? Well, I was in Denmark. I went to go visit Copenhagen governor, and then I went to Tokyo Japan and I went to my very first TGI. What did you think it was different? It was fun. Clearly. There's a lot of games there that I don't know anything about there was a lot of very beautiful women dressed in very weird costumes. Sure. But it was fun. It was cool. I got to play some really awesome things. I got to play a brand. New demo of devil may cry five, which was awesome. I got to play this crazy. VR photon bike thing. Yes, there is this VR company that's making arcade VR experiences. So that thing that you saw that kind of like Tron bike that I was writing, it's going to be something that would play inside of an arcade, and I asked them, I was like, so how? How much would this be to buy? Bye he like, oh, we haven't, you know, settled on a final Emma RPM, but the we're thinking, it's going to be between two and four million yen. And I was like, so that's twenty to forty thousand dollars. And I was like, that's a lot of money. The only Dave and busters with it. I mean, it was a really cool, so lots of fun stuff like that that I got to see and experience at AJ. How was the Roman? I had so much. I think Abe Rahman every day I was there. I had the tongue Katsu Rahman I had spicy sesame. I had. See other really popular type of broth I'm but I had, no. I didn't have any Mizuho shortly. But I had lots of different types. Oh, Tonton I think, but it was good delicious. Excellent. The biggest question is, did Britain timer, burn everything down for what's good? No, they did it because actually style prerecord a show because Brit was also out of the country. She just got back issues in Greece, right? She was on a cruise in a bunch of different countries. But yes, she posted a photo in the call him in her, what's good shirt like she's getting really ready for assassin's creed on issues like so dedicated to make sure. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm excited for that game to. I can't just start a plane. So Oko are we allowed to say that? Yeah, I, I don't know. Moral were allowed to say stuff now, review it tomorrow and say things about impressions of it's weird because like this streaming embargo tomorrow, Mike, but the results spoil anything. I'm like, if I'm playing the game, how do I know what's about to throw? So thank you re-met without showing all the things in that restricted guy. I don't know guys. 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You get our customs Waterman PlayStation four cover that show Spiderman on it over on picture dot com. Slash kinda funny. You can get the panda, musk, art, print. We're gonna make of. Of spider man, spider, man. And today we're brought to you by Nord VPN. But for now, let's begin the show with what is and forever will be the telltale games report. Time for some Admiral bowling news about the saddest story in the industry. Three atoms on the Roper berko Greg, a baker's dozen. Now you might say great as long as a lot, but it's, you know, the next day three of kind of funny games. Item is a page and a half. Let's three parts of updating you about everything happening over at telltale games, Andrea. Before we jump into it, anything you want to say the top about telltale and this whole situation, you guys covered it quite extensively yesterday on the show. But I said this in the what's good Facebook group. But the whole thing is just really tragic the way that all the cards are kind of falling out. And I hope people are putting the blame on the upper management the way that they should be because the people underneath clearly had no clue. This was happening the idea that they didn't see it coming in that they were banking on one round of funding and that because abruptly got pulled, they had to pull the plug on the entire studio is bullshit. I'm calling bull. I talked to a lot of dead about this when I was. In Japan when this news was breaking and they were like, you know, studios months in advance when this kind of stuff happens. He's kind of production runways. You don't just build them overnight, like the studio new like people at the top who hold the purse hold the pursestrings knew this was coming. Did fucking nothing to prepare down to hiring people up until like a week or two before they knew that if they didn't get the like, it makes me so angry the way that this all happen start with what I had is number see on them. So I'm so glad you did. You know that never some. I'm never stopping you rancor Shintei over a variety filed this report about what went wrong. First off. I'm gonna cl- before we get to the real part with that, he's siding with the funding, like you're saying, I want to call it this paragraph. Initially, hundreds of employees were given. We're going to be given just three hours on Monday to return and collect their personal items. But following the ratcheted, the news telltale announced internally that it would sponsor a job fair on Thursday. Recently appointed telltale games CEO Pete Hawley offer to write a recommendation on linked in for anyone who asked thought that was an interesting addendum to everything. We've been like, go fuck yourself, a hundred or sake a right. You linked in recommendation, but I'm going to give you a week of healthcare. Back over here. This is rancor Shanta reporting on what went wrong. Tell tale co founder, Dan, Connor sounded shell shocked when he answered his phone Monday morning to speak briefly with variety later. You're spending questions via Email saying that despite his sadness and feelings of loss, he knows that quote, all the people who've been part of telltale are capable of exceptional things, and I can't wait to see them carry it forward. The process of building something that has meaning and touches people is the most fulfilling thing and creative person can do. But beware, if you want to build a business, it is a perilous trip. He also noted that the sudden decision to shut shutdown was connected directly to a failed round of financing. Quote, the company was working diligently to close a round of financing. Unfortunately, when the last potential financial backer abruptly pulled out, we were less than a position where we had no choice but to stop production. Sadly everyone was so focused on doing what was required to keep the company going that when the last potential partner backed out and that's important, their potential partner not. We were already locked in. This is something was happening. Potential partner backed out. There were no. Other options. While Connors declined to note what companies specifically backed out several sources say it may have been Lionsgate Lionsgate recently notified the board that it had decided to stop funding telltale so it could refocus on its core business and Lionsgate was cited. One employee said during the meeting Friday morning is one of several things that led to the decision to lay off the company staff Lionsgate invested a reported forty million Intel back in February twenty fifteen with the idea of working on a live action, an interactive project with the company called a super show, but the idea never took hold. So I think that speaks directly what you're talking about right of. This wasn't the rug pulled out from under the top management. They knew they were on the ropes. They knew this was trouble and they kept moving and doing business as usual. Wait, what's your staff in a very perilous tuition and leaves them with no safety and no parachute, it's bad leadership. If the CEO is working on a business deal, that's going to keep the company afloat. He knows exactly what the financial runway is for the company. And if he doesn't, he's even more terrible at his job than we that we think he is currently and you will need to protect the people who have built your business. And I'm surprised that Dan is shell shocked because I would assume that he would have been privy to all those conversations as co, founder of the studio. And it's just like this whole thing is just kind of like jaw dropping. It happened this way, and I do want to make a make a caveat that a lot of people have reach out and said that they feel that the Capcom Vancouver news is kind of being swept under the rug in wake of what's happening with telltale. And I said, I hope that Capcom. As a functioning business took care of all the employees at that studio. If there is somebody who's washing the show, that was part of that Capcom Vancouver layoff or know somebody that has information about how that layoff was handled. That would be fantastic for us to know. And if you guys could write in either to kind of funny dot com slash cave GD or even you're wrong and let us know that'd be great. But I soon the reason we're not talking about that is because those people got severance because they got noticed they weren't just kicked out and said, you don't have healthcare. I'm hoping that Capcom handled at the proper way. The reason this telltale layoff is such a such big news is because it's outrageous the way that happened in the idea that they're not finishing a game that was midway through and people are like, what about people who bought the season pass? Are they going to get refunds? Are they going to says, I know we've talked about the unprecedented nature of a studio closing in the middle of a project, but what happens to the people who paid for this for this full product expecting all four episodes and the conclusion of clementine story level you and keep taking care of that chicken. I think here. Well, we're about. Let's say for the record right now. It doesn't happen. It's over. It's dead to episode two drafts today for the Walking Dead, and that's the end of it. Right. I believe what will happen is your terms and conditions when you make that purchase on PS n. include a or anywhere when you purchase anywhere have a line in there that are just like, this is the promise. And if something horribly goes wrong, you wrote this was the ticket you bought, you knew this might not happen, and that will still lead to class action. Lawsuits were now hitting on a an stories here and everything that's happening. The tell tale world lead lawsuits and stuff. But I don't. I mean, if the company's just gone in the, what are you? Gonna do who you're gonna sue, who's going to come and make you good on that promise. Let's get the other ones out here. So word backwards beyond our subset here was telltale on Twitter yesterday in just the weirdest thing of all eyes are on you. I understand is a bad time. You fire everybody, but the skeleton staff. Let's write a statement in, I assume on Facebook and then screen shot at it, low rez and then tweet. That from the Twitter account, I was like, what the fuck is going on tells AL tweeted the following statement. Hi, everyone. We have a Walking Dead update for you. Multiple potential partners have stepped forward to express interest in helping to see the final season through to completion while we can't make any promises today, we are actively working towards the solution that will allow episodes three and four to be completed and released in some form. In the meantime, episode, two will released tomorrow across all platforms as planned. We hope to have answers for your other questions soon. Why didn't you seek funding before you shut the studio down? I have to hope that somebody did, but if you're so desperate that you're gonna lay off your entire staff, save like a couple dozen people. Wouldn't you show people this like press release that you're gonna have to send in like almost outright bag and say, we need some financing. Can you please help us floated until we finish these games? So we can like lock in these deals like I have never had to. Seek around a financing in the seven, eight or nine digit range trite. So I don't know exactly how difficult that is. However, I I have had to fund projects in the past. So I know a little bit about financing, entertainment projects, and like there's a lot of there's a lot of people they could have reached out to before they shut the studio down everything. Everything that question marks. You're like, what the fuck is going on? How did you get to this point? How did you get the decision? He's got to start talking. Sure. Don't. I'm Jason schreier is I'm sure undercover somewhere right now talking to somebody in a parking garage. No, yeah, you're right. And I think if we're gonna take that avenue, I in this discussion that of course it's twenty look at us with patriot and look at everything double fine's done on Kickstarter. Look at a fig. There were so many different ways to be like, fuck we're falling in whereabout like make the statement to the perfect example. They're on the ropes. We're fucked. We might have to just stop doing everything business as usual. We need this amount of money to finish the season, or we need this amount of money to take care of our employees. We're asking you the fans who have invested so much time in honor because like I would have given money if it was like we need to try. And again, not even the game we need. We are out of runway. The plane is telltale is dead that we do now. I think we're gonna be able to come back from this. We want to take care of our employees. We want to let them finish their vision for the Walking Dead, right? We wanna wine the team down to just that team. We sucks enough, but we also wanna be able to take care of the people were laying off to get to that team to then lay off everybody closed the studio that would have been a holy shit. I can't believe it's this bad. And then it's what you're talking about of. Yes, yes, of course, people understand the value of the Walking Dead brand and where you are, you know what I mean of like, I'm sure they had with Netflix for stranger things, and obviously the deal that they had for Minecraft story mode like they have a lot of valuable licenses, so fire, the fed will buy you fire the flare. It'd be like, hey, guys, this is how bad it is rather than just be like internally, hey, you're all fired. It's all over. Sorry. No severance healthcare to the end of the month, enjoy life. I think there was a million different ways to do this in not have it be this in not having to be the statement then broke the internet into two very vocal camps of, I've never, you know, yesterday we're talking about this. I understand very much being disconnected from. You get a telltale game, and you see the telltale brand and its delta, and that's what you think of think of the people back there. Right. So there's the honest reaction of like, oh, thank goodness. I wanna see, Clem story ends, and then there was the other action summed up best by Corey bar. Log on Twitter. I would hope this means that you will. I pay your entire team, their severance and then proceed to finish the final episodes. I would be fine waiting, however long it took to ensure we, I treated those worked so hard with the humanity and respect. They deserve heart. Exactly. And that was the thing I saw multiple tells AL people struggling with this. The writer of episodes you on Twitter yesterday being like I'm crying, happy, tears, seeing this, and then so then people were using that. Then in the argument when people are like, well, wait, no, no fucking pay the people I you're doing and then people. Well, the writers happy and it's like even the writer she came back, I believe and was like, it's a complex situation, you know, of motions right now because obviously they want to see their work finished, but are they the ones who are going to do this work? The people who think about this. You just got unceremoniously executed by your. Company, you're out of a job. Your life is in freefall for possibly exaggerating, possibly not for certain people what he has been part of a layoff. It's it's traumatic in. So like now then he's building who just mishandled everything. All the higher ups have mishandled this thing from every fucking angle. We've seen again, maybe behind the scenes. There's more and maybe give the benefit of the doubt. And I don't think people or anything, but like would you want to be like, okay, cool. I'll come back and do this all come back to the thing like they took all their computers. They have stuff. Is it going to be the same team is who's approaching them to say, we'll help you finish this like I'm studio x and we want to help you. So you give it to us and we'll go off your scripts or we're going to do what the fuck is happening. I don't know why human resources seems like it's such an impossible thing for people to figure out one of my friends, Dave. Oh, she tweeted something profound about human resources. He's like it's literally were human period resources period. That's the way that they see us. Like labor and that was the thing. People were getting understandably frustrated about yesterday of so many game developers game creators being like game development is not a machine. We're used replace the cogs, and the game gets pooped out the way you want it to be an pooped out. But you know what I mean? Like it gets popped out semblance line final products like removing the people because you are not going to get back the exact same team that did episodes wanted to head the vision for four, five, a brand new team up to speed is like, it seems completely counterproductive inefficient. Right. And I think that's the biggest thing of what you're talking about human resources and talking about the humanity of games and what Cory is talking about right is like, yes, I'm Greg Miller, and I love the Walking Dead, and I was, I'm psyched our website for clementines journey and I'd love to know what their vision of it ending is. I don't ever need to see if the money that could go to. This could be given to the people who lost their jobs if they could get a severance package, if they gave a little bit more healthcare, if they could not if they get because no matter what you still have to worry about. Having no job now, but give them a little more runway of like. Hey rent, you know, like I'm sure they have lease agreements, Alba Gatien's and things like that. And even two weeks of severance is nothing. You know, it's just I hope. Did you read all the details of the class action lawsuit, Lee? Yeah. Let's. The first part of your telltale sub block, but not your last. This is from Smith over a polygon. This is a lawsuit that's been filed a class action lawsuit against telltale. I'm gonna read it in length because it's legal stuff and we're not good at that. So I don't wanna leave you hanging. I'll former tell tale employee is suing the company in the class action lawsuit alleging that had violated labor laws on the books in California in nationwide. When it laid off hundreds of employees on Friday in advance of a plan closure of the studio. The complaint filed Monday in federal court in San Francisco is a class action lawsuit submitted by Verney Roberts on behalf of himself, and his fellow laid off workers in the complaint Roberts says telltale, which is based in San in the San Francisco suburb of San Raphael, California, let go of the employee's quote without cause it without providing them with advanced re written notice as required by the warn act. The federal worker adjustment and retraining notification act, which became law in nineteen eighty eight stipulates that in most businesses with at least one hundred full-time workers must notify employees sixty days of in advance of any plan. Closings or mass layoffs. The act defines a mass layoff as a reduction of fifty or more employees within a thirty day period parentheses. If the total comprises at least one third of the company's workforce in any way off of five hundred or more workers. California's state level version of the warn act which took effect in two thousand and three has more stringent requirements for businesses. It lowers the company size threshold, the seventy five full or part time workers and applies to any reduction of at least fifty employees parentheses. Both the state and federal laws require advance. Notice of sixty days roberts's roberts's complaint says the total layoffs at telltale amount to approximately two hundred seventy five employee's. The figure appears include the layoffs that occurred on September twenty first, which media reports pegged at about two hundred and fifty individuals as well as the skeleton crew of twenty five that remains at the studio is it winds down operations telltale terminated the employee's without providing any severance according to the complaint, the laid off individuals reportedly receive the laid off, oh, are reportedly receiving health benefits only until the end of the month. Under the warn act businesses that undertake plant undertake plant closings or mass layoffs with fewer than sixty days advance. Notice are subject to significant financial penalties rather than pay fines. A company must give affected employees back pay and benefits for each day of violation. Roberts's complaint says telltale gave no advance notice of the cuts, which would mean that telltale would have to give each of the two hundred and seventy five employees salary and benefits for a full sixty days following their termination. If the plaintiffs win the lawsuit, the plaintiffs are requesting a jury trial and are seeking to win the aforementioned compensation for the laid off employee's in amount equal to the wages and benefits that the workers would have received. If their employment continued for sixty days after the termination plus interest in accordance with the federal and California versions of the warn act go, fuck and get them. The scary thing about this kind of legislation or this kind of lawsuit, I should say is that if indeed tell tales coffers are. Empty. It's going to be moot. Like mean, what are they gonna? Who were they? Who are they going to get the money for bankruptcy? And that's it. Right? Yeah. In this. That's really sad par-. I mean, again, I understand that we are outsiders. We're commentators were talking heads on this, right? Yeah, it seems pretty cut and dry that. Yup, you fucked up. This worn act feels pretty. This is fucked up. You are in violation, which to me then definitely needs on the be list here of you and Twitter, multiple potential partners have stepped up. No, you're going to if you get the investment money from them, this is going to tie you up from ever using that money on the game. Well, it depends on how much money that is, right? Like what that amounts to, and I don't know what kind of a line item that would be on, you know, a p. and l. for business of telltale size, but I would hope that there is some possibility, and this is totally like a pipe dream that maybe somebody would step up and say, hey, we want to bring people back if you're willing. I mean, I wouldn't blame a single employees at telltale for kind of like giving them the bird like hell. No, I'm not coming back, but if people were. Like, hey, we'll give you a drawback. We will put all the money back into the company so we can finish the projects that are on on the docket now on the wool revaluate. So give them like maybe three to six months. I bet you at least half of the people who got laid off would immediately take their jobs back because people have obligations. Families and the expenses. You're giving them the runway of cool. Let's get three, six months share. We're working on his game. That's how much we're funded. You know, you're losing your job now. So you can figure out where you wanna go work. Next housing schools all the little things you forget about where your spouse works, stuff like that. Yeah, it's just such a fucking quagmire of nightmare. Few dislike heartbreaking is what it is. It's so sad, especially living here in the bay, knowing how brutally crushing financially living here is for people. Like if if tomorrow I found out that all of my contract positions were gone and I wasn't going to get another paycheck and I had to figure it out with how much we have to pay in rent like I would be devastated. It's crazy. Cougar attention at though worn act said, you know if it's seventy five employees so I can still close this company. Whenever I want your f-. What's good games. Cool. Greg, don't you take you. I'm going to start offending that to you, always like trying to keep you. Oh, you can have. The question came in from one Mr.. Rip city kind of funny dot com. Slash KFI GD about all this telltale stuff, but it was a different lens than what I've been thinking. Hello. KF GD hosts, I'm a disabled, gamer, bilateral neuropathy parentheses, nerve pain in both arms. And the closure of telltale games is a massive blow to me as they were some of the only games I play with my disability. I love gaming. However, I'm very worried about my future in gaming due to tell tales demise. I have two quick questions. Number one, I've played many other types of games while I'm sorry, many other types of walking Slim's sash slash Cutie QuickTime event games in my past, like life is strange, but they are usually made by indie developers. Are there any devs that you would recommend for a disabled gamer like me to be able to play these type of games? Now in number two, is there any chance telltale could be picked up and resurrected by company like teach Hugh Nordic, for example, or is that not possible? Thank you first off msrp city. Fuck yes. T h Hugh Nordic. I guarantee that's that's to be the company. That reached that was like, get in the bus were going shopping or doing this Andrea. I want to kick it over to our friend, Steve, from able gamers. I reached out to him because he had a obviously able gamers doing great work, putting people org like Mr. rip city into the XBox, adaptive controller, things like that. Here's what Steve pops in and says, hey, disabled, friend, losing telltale was a huge shot too many of us who like playing games that focus on story over how fast you can mash a button. Believe me when I tell you you're not alone. The good news is that your gaming, your future in gaming is secure. Not only is this the most progressive accessible air in the history of video games, but with so many assistive technologies on the market today, you'll never find yourself in a situation where you can't play games. There's a lot of games you can play with minimal clicking that you might discover you love. Heart stone is a fantastic option. If you love card games where the only thing you do is click on you have to do is click of your choice. Sim games have been having a revival recently with games, like Meg aquarium. Stone hearth and two point hospital. But if you wanna stick with similar ish games, I would look forward to life is strange to which releases in just two days checkout captain spirit. The last day of June Pathfinder kingmaker Valkyrie chronicles four. And this is the police to, or you could consider something completely different and go with a game like rocket league, which I could teach you how to play with only a mouse or your, or I'm sorry with only a mouse or only your feet. It's difficult for me to assess exactly what games you would enjoy without doing a consultation. If you ever want to receive a free consultation to figure out what kind of gaming equipment might help you game stop by able gamers dot or reach out to meteorically at Stephen spun on Twitter as p. o. h. n. s. t. e. e. n. too. But we talk about Steven all Tom shoe. Hope that helps Steve. Nail the Steve. Those are the games I'd recommend as well. Right? There's a lot of great turn based games tale, of course. Yeah. But even then there's why. Yeah, you're right stuff. There's a quite a few games that are utilizing play link on PlayStation now, which is just using your cell phone, tapping a single button on your phone, which is great. Play linguis- another great PlayStation, just wither on the vine a bit, and I'm not knocking the game. You'll releasing gains at playland. They just announced one. Just like a week ago. You fun game. We had the supermassive game. I can't remember the name of do you remember the detective game, right dot com. Slash, you're wrong. We did a, let's play of it. We enjoyed a lot, became hard with that or the whole bunch of cool things for play Lincoln. Then it just went quiet who just gotta play link of date on PlayStation four. Holon. There's two new playing games coming in November just deal with it and chimp party, which I don't know what that is. And knowledge is power decades. They'll millage. The phone. Okay. It's still there. I'm just saying the came out originally very hard on it. Yes, there were promoted. Well, they was Andy services imaginarium that the game. Oh. New frontier or something. I can't remember. Males life is strange though to have play link. No, but it's what we're talking about here like enough. Days away. So ready episode, one. Number two, I need something there and almost that number two street fighter east sports league is coming to Japan. I stole this information from somewhere transcribe what I say. You're wrong in put it into Google in x. off it might be games industry. There's no, maybe anyways, I, I didn't credit anybody. Capcom has released the first details for the official streetfighter league in Japan. I'm pretty sure this is games industry up this Andrea two games industry. It's looking at. I'm looking it up. The competition will be one of Capcom was first major east sports initiatives in who wrote it, who wrote an injury, how am I got him clicking on the Lady Jane's bachelor. Sorry, James, you're a frequent contributor. We love you very much. The competition will be one of caffeine was first major east sports initiatives in the region, having previously announced plans to enter the eastwards market. Earlier this year, the street fighter Lee will center around streetfighter five arcade edition with its first matches due to be held in Japan in two thousand nineteen. The format is currently plan to focus on three on three team battles. Sixteen, we'll be formed from a mix of unlicensed competitors. And those licensed by the Japanese Eastport union. Which was founded or formed. At the beginning of two thousand eighteen streetfighter league will complement activity. The publisher has already run in North America working to establish streetfighter five as a popular Eastport east sports, Andrea. They're here to stay there all the rate. They're all the race. Now, the kids are doing these days is getting paid to play video games would like nothing to say, go get a pin. Number three. This one you put on your anthem is hit its alpha milestone. This is v. the by where blog. Yeah, so I saw this put it on a couple of different sites, but I just decided to pull the statement from the blog that Casey Hudson wrote for the show, and he if you guys want read his full statement, I- truncated this down, but he gave a lot of background about his history at the studio and kind of where he was and where he is today and gave some really kind of nice anecdotes about bio wears a studio. So if you want to read the whole thing that's on the bio, our blog, when he writes last week, the anthem team passed its alpha mile. Allstone meaning that every part of the game is in and functioning is a ton of fun to play in full of engaging character moments and storylines. But it's also exciting to see people around the office and at our partner studios grouping together for adventures. In this new world, we've created by organic have always been about capturing a shared experience, whether through party a fictional characters or other players, and somehow the idea of players being immersed together on the universe of anthem makes the settings seem even more real. These days the energy around the office feels a lot like it did back then on baldur's gate where the team is starting to get a sense of the magic they've created together and there's a growing excitement about finally releasing it into the world though the ton of work ahead. But everyone knows what they need to do and is working with the level of passionate effort that's truly inspiring. The team has been working incredibly hard to reach alpha and considering the complexity and scale of a game, like anthem hitting this milestone on time is a tremendous achievement. So what's next now that the all important pieces are in the game, we can move almost entirely to bug fixing testing and -tuni-, which will be an incredible amount of work on. Game this big. We have some really in bishop's plans for launch and beyond, and we really want to get it right. We you resisted. We will have new soon about when you can learn more about anthem and to try it out for yourself until then know that your support means everything to us seen so many of you at packs for the our world, my story panel and your encouraging words in great questions on Twitter makes a difference because all of the effort that the team puts into making these games is really fueled by the hope that in the end, you will like what we've made. And even though we've passed a huge milestone, the Silla lot to do. So like Hallak says time to get to work. Hollick from anthem? Yeah, I think we know him well enough for him to have a cash, right? He's been in both of the demos free demo and the thing that they just showed it packs to. This is exciting news. One of the big takeaways from the panel that they did it packs. We got a pre briefing for was that they acknowledged their weakness has a studio with the launch of drama and how they really kind of dropped the ball and certain phases a polishing leading up to launch. And they said, we wanna learn from those mistakes and make sure that we pay particularly close attention to some of the things that got overlooked at androgynous launch, and I really appreciated them being honest about that and acknowledging let you know they clearly made some mistakes at that launch and that they are hyper aware of what people have said about, you know, their studio in relationship to and drama, and they want to make sure that they don't get anything wrong with this launch. And I'm, I'm really, really excited for it. So obviously you guys know that I worked a lot with the bio our team at e three this year for play. Take care. But I, I'm really pumped for anthem. I, if this isn't me attacking all. So I got to play this demo several times and I've got to play with two different javelin from the four that they've announced so far. And the thing that the reason I'm excited for because it really does feel like it's kind of Von Roll bending in a way that we haven't really seen yet in this space. So it's taking the things that I love about destiny the idea being with a fire team and playing co op Peavey experience, but also really kind of melting in some of that amazing combat that I love from Bairo games, particularly from the mass effect franchise with the combo detonators and the shooting and the guns that I've seen so far in the demo feel really good and the lore seems like it's going to be something that's going to be very intriguing to discover throughout the world. And I trust by aware as a narrative studio to build something that's complete and home. Hole in it is enticing intriguing? I haven't picked up sticks on it yet. I think that's the big, you know, chasm for me between tried it all at Heathrow, no sent Andy and I thought Nick, but I, it was. It was one of those things in terms of scheduling do anything, hey, man job with red day. God wanted to cross the debt. Rushing email. Everyone's gone, but Nick. All right. And he get to go, see, you read that. Watching it. We were both at the same packs pre briefing and stuff like I look at it and I'm like, I can tell us a, it's a pretty game. It's a call the bio or quality on it, and it's just like it just doesn't move mine needle. And I mean, that's just me, I guess, in terms of what games I look for, but I've been I, this has happened before right, where I get closer to launch if something I didn't think I was going to care about it and I get into it, but just seeing it. I'm just like, doesn't look like my kind of world. It doesn't seem like a place and it's also because it's so close to the division to maybe where I'm just so excited for the division to that. That's the world. I'd rather invest Mattamy. They're wildly different games. I'm not at all. But I mean in terms of time sink world building, it's very similar to right now where it's like, yeah, we're playing assassin's creed. That's great. But like the looming thing of red dead is coming. Like I feel like for me divisions a looming one where it's like that's going to take over when I get their vibe. But this game comes up before the division. I know you'll have time to play before the division even happens looking at and it was like, I don't know, man, I just don't know if I can do. It doesn't seem like. I'm just really courage by what they showed the new animations that they showed up packs at the at the panel. If you guys didn't see it, I believe that's posted on their on their YouTube channel and the idea that they're going first person for these cut scenes with the MP's and in their changing the way that you're interacting with your crewmates. It's I'm, I'm ready. I'm in. Maybe will drag me up there too. I will. I will dry you out. Parker. Petroff wrote in to kinda funny dot com slash KF GD just like you can and says, hey, Greg, Andy, Andrea, Casey, Hudson announced on the by where blog that anthem has hit the alpha milestone, which they say means every part of the game is in an functioning. Does this indicate to you that anthem will hit its target release date? Also, what's the difference between an alpha and a beta milestone in quantifiable terms? Glad to see the best in the business back at it Parker. They're gonna hit the release date of February. I don't see why not February twenty-second, right? It's one of those twenty second game zone. They were very confident, you know, when they announced the release date at e three. So it seems to me that they were looking at their production timeline saying everything's falling into place. We're gonna. We're gonna make it if they end up pushing it like four to six weeks or even eight weeks into April, or may that wouldn't bother me. I shouldn't. It wouldn't bother any bio our fan. I think that if you're driving for sure. If you have some more bugs and Paul shit, don't forget. They're releasing a demo on February first across all platforms. So everyone gets to try it. And they said that the demo slice is going to be like a real chunk of the game. It's not going to be like this artificial thing that you vertically. Yeah, it's like this is part of the game that you will play. So. But you think you're gonna hit it? I think they're gonna hit it. Yeah. Why you wanna put money down? No, I will sure you know me moneybags over here dot com. Slash. That's too rich. Rob, what I'm not that confident. Later, sir. How do you describe the difference between an alpha beta at this is a question beyond my scope of knowledge, and that's the thing is like if the way I understand Parker and you say quantifiable terms from what I understand it kind of slides for every studio, what's which is what for you to say. Like when people when people release its, hey, this in its alpha footage that for me always meant, oh, it's pretty early long. Looks great for how early along it is for them to be like they've crossed the alpha milestone was like, okay, like I thought you would have been through that already. But again, we're not game Deb's than I do think that that's a little bit different for every person you are a game Dev and you have an answer to this question dot com. Slash your wrong. Let us know if you're listening later kind of funny dot com. KF GD with some proof. Maybe just tweeted me that probably be easy. I don't want somebody out there pretending logos developer, well, we have plenty of people we can ask. What do we ask you. Who you want to ask you. We could ask GIO Corsi. He would know he's a video game producer. I agree that he would know the problem with then we gotta go through a PR person. I feel you know what I mean? Like Sony doesn't like me just like for him to give an official response who you calling. We'll see if they answer. I. Because this is this would work. Is there an indie person but they've worked it like big studios. Okay. So then they would know, is it teddy no. I'll be a person to. Ringing ringing gate. You can't be in a meeting. Hey, Steve gainer. It's Greg Miller. How are you? Nice. Hey, can I put you live on our show right now. He's like, hell, no. Yeah, yeah, no, we, we have a. We have a development question for you that we're not equipped to answer, and we feel like he would know the answer. All right, Steve gainer, you're on kind of funny games daily with me. Andrea. Hi. Hi, Steve. Going. You. So I don't know if you saw this, but there's been a now is gonna make a very crass Jack. I want to. So Casey Hudson talked about anthems moved past its alpha milestone to which a reader wrote in reader's names Parker, I guess not a reader, but I call it whatever it doesn't matter. And he says, what's the difference between an alpha and a beta milestone in quantifiable terms? Is there as a game developer, Steve gainer? Is there like if you say alpha, somebody knows exactly what you mean if you say betas. I mean, that's exactly what you mean. So I, I want to start this by saying, I am not a Representative of bio air and I don't want to speak for their development process. Don't don't take if I'd say something don't assume that anthem is in. For my perspective, a beta is more or less like content complete and like, you know, like most of the stuff in the game is there. A lot of it isn't polished or pug thick, but it's sort of like the game. We just need to finish it. And an alpha is a little bit more like, okay, we got all the major systems in place, and we got like a Representative part of the game playable judge the core loop, but we still need to like build out a lot of what's gonna be in the game, and actually, you know, polish things and make it more playable and finished. So. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think it's sort of like you've got a good solid first drafts and you know what you're going towards with an alpha beta. You're sorta like, all right, we need to get the think Nash, you crushed it. Look at you. You're probably some coffee shop. Kill. This is my job or something. You know what you're talking about your, I saw your haircut on Instagram. It looks great. I don't think you're going great and worry. No problem. We love you. We'll talk to you. Oh, no problem. Everybody by going home in Tacoma. Now. What a nice young gentleman. He is a very nice gentleman. What's exciting is that he's still making games, Andrea, obviously, gone homes on switch now. Tacoma's been out for a while. I can't wait to see what's next, but it's still far away before full omega game. If I want to know what games were mom and grop shops today injury, where would I go to the official lists of upcoming software across each and every platform is listed by the kind of fun gains daily shows each and every weekday do do do do do do Yam. You got a Tuesday, ladies and gentlemen. Strap in. Start at the top. Of course, I was thinking about this this morning and I've thought about it in the past. I haven't done anything right. See Fisher list of upcoming software across each and every platform. His about the kind of funny games each and every weekday. Right? And like when I do the new stories, I always credit the news people, but I never credit Kentucky visit every day. I go to Kentucky. I take their great list released list on that list. You started sending me there and I was like, no, not. I didn't like it. It didn't work for me because you can't just copy and paste it. It's, it's just it's, you don't miss anything. They do. We 'cause we did do it for a while where we combined and then we're still missing stuff. There's no way to get all the games. There's too many games there. There's a lot of games that we intentionally ignore like mobile titles because there's just too many of them for us to go through for babies anyway, shots soccer out today, secret slayer. Survivor DLC is available for pillars of eternity to dead fire, and that was the other thing is that I get so many press releases. We add in stuff on our own too. So it's hard to just credit somebody, but I wanted to give talk ocean. Gumy's life is on switch. Cool, Greg, I demand a review from you on that. The cat and the coupe or coup can't let c. o. UP how do I pronounce that Cooper coup c. o. UP so yo- UPA coup the cat mccoo I'm PlayStation for correct creed, rise to glory, PlayStation VR crypt track on PS four, two car eighteen on PS four dark eclipse on PlayStation VR deployment on PS four. The escapist complete addition on switch. The grand museum VR NPS VR hollow night void. Heart addition on PS. Xbox One, Jack, and Jill DX on PS four NPS Vida. Cool. Greg, I need to try to find, oh, you can't do you can't. I have to turn the thing right? Can you try to find me on YouTube a trailer, four, Jack 'n, Jill DX on PlayStation four VR all you can do it. I never talk about. Little bug today for windows MAC and Lennox, metal Maxine on PS. Four. Oh, my God heads party edition on switch pitcher pot on PS four punchline on PS four and Vida revenue dog Mont PS, four and Vida. South park, the stick of truth on switch. Think of the children on PlayStation four and switch worth noting think of the children. We admit them a long time ago. We done something. I think in Arctic Sydney with them, I don't think we've ever done a full-fledged. Let's play, however, the entire kind of funny crew, all seven of us available as playable characters and think of children. If you want to play that, we are not sponsored to say that I'm just letting you know. This is the police to on PlayStation four Xbox One and switch time spinner on PlayStation four PS via amp, ultimate chicken horse on switch Val here chronicles four on PlayStation four, Xbox One PC and switch kill face thirteen road in to kind of funny dot com. Slash k. f. GD and says, what's up Greg, Andrea. I've been waiting for the return of the vacuum chronicle series ever since I rolled credits on the first game back on PS three. I try the second one on ESPN, but it just wasn't for me. But with this dream come true released finally happening today. I'm face with an extremely difficult decision. Should I get about care chronicles forum I- PS four pro or my switch. I've seen absolutely no comparison videos online of the performance between systems in. Don't know if there ever will be one since this is more of a niche game, Greg, you played both versions. If so, what are the major differences? Should I give up the trophies in a probably better performance for the key means a plane anywhere. Please. God help me. Thank you. You're extremely awesome. Individuals only planet it on your switch. I've only been playing them. I switch, correct? Yeah. And I can't imagine playing it on PlayStation for Nakazono of my PlayStation four, but the ability to have that game with me anywhere. Like I played like I said, in tweets and on yesterday's show twelve hours on the plane from London. I got a New York flight coming up. I'm so stoked to have more time to play. It's just perfect there. And I know. Jake, James Lugo kind of funny best friend who's now in the industry and reviewing games and doing stuff he talked about in his review process. He had weird things, whereas controller controls were freezing on playing on switch. I never saw that somebody had hit him up, maybe any updates controller. I my performance issues. I know people worry about frame rates from demos. They had had stuff like that. I've had really none of that. I think at one point when one of the celebration animations like, oh, that kind of got framing and that was it. I'm sure it runs better and looks better on PlayStation four, but I think it's still looks beautiful on switch in. If I look at the PlayStation for trophies, are you crazy enough trying to get that platinum? If so, there you go. If you're if you're at your PlayStation four more than you're at your switch, go for it. But for travel in man, like me, Andrea Rene, only one place to play anybody from what's good playing chronicles for. I think Steiner is she has no opinions of it yet. Well, I haven't checked in with her about it. Yeah, we haven't done a live show since two weeks ago. Okay. Cool. Greg has pulled up Jack and Jill DX platinum through on trophy guys in chievements. He's speaking my language all my God. It's a ten minute platinum who called it. Greg Miller called it who's getting to trophy platinum trophies and Jack and Jill DX probably Greg Miller. Now this doesn't look terrible though. It looks cute. It was a little goofy platform. Yeah, you can show the people if you if you don't mind. Cool. Greg, if that's he's there, you go. It looks like he's running around. He's caught since some coins, and I like old school. Mario, what it looks like he's old school Mario with a very light, but then he just meets is looks like superman boy, but it's way cuter punishing. Oh yeah. The little the little sprites ten minute and walk through who. Adria rene. Finishing off those valley rally or no v rally, four on and then war face on x. box one. Andrea. We got new dates for you. Yeah. Ultra space. Battle brawls coming to steam October. Fourth, Mark of the ninja remastered is launching on the Nintendo switch on October ninth and then you add it in this one. Yes. I got a press release about this at games as announced the blast family of products. These two more of your kind of like many console type things. So they have several different versions that include twenty classic video games that are going to be releasing the US and Canada on October first Marito between nineteen ninety nine in thirty nine ninety nine. The blast family includes Atari flashback oblast volume. One Atari flashback blast volume to activision flash 'bout flashback blast. Oh my gosh. Legends flashback behest. Ben dynamic. Oh, flash back blast and Tari. Flash back blast three swamps the wireless gamepad for a pair of wireless game paddles which are specially optimized selection of classic paddle and ball games. Games featured include centipede millipedes yards, revenge. Asteroids milkman pitfall river rate space invaders, pacman Gallagher, and dig dug the complete lineup. You can find on the internet. I'm sure Jared petty will come back from wherever he is in his mountain retreat is wash tie flash black last time. I'm back back on my God. That's so hard to say flash back blast ways and showman it's time for reader mail, but I tell you kind of funny games daily is brought to you by Nord VPN you know what sucks. Andrea great. And your data stolen VPN is here to help. You can start protecting your internet experience today with sixty six percent off a two year plan by using code games at Nord, VPN dot com. Slash games Nord VPN protects your browsing and data from anyone wanting to snoop through it. Thousands of servers in more than sixty one countries. No data logging Nord's VPN chrome browser is lightweight and user-friendly. 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But then apprentices says as in Ethan, Efe demon, but they still, but he spelled Ethan, but eat eat him, whatever demon says, hey, Gregory gym. This question is free injury. Since you played a lot of destiny to zoom, I assume you were not into moves. So what got you in into the end game destiny as someone who rated in world of warcraft, from twenty ten to twenty twelve at the first at the time, a lot of people including the games press could not understand why people would do that in six years later, those same people are now rating and destiny. I'm just interested in an outside observer as to what changed with I o. Oh, Emo is what he's saying moves. He left out of him. I was like, I Don. I was like, I don't even know what that acronym stands for. So what got you into the end game for destiny? Why does destiny work for you? Because I like first person shooters and bungy. I've said this so many times is one of the best developers for first person shooters in the world. And I think that's not disputable so that the game play first and foremost was super polished. And if the game play hadn't been as polish, if the head felt a little clunky or wasn't as beautiful as it is like I probably would have pulled me out of the death Nico system a long time ago. So that's a big reason. Also the comradery that I had with my clan mates, both in original destiny and now in destiny to is really what kept me playing having the ability to really connect in online spaces with people in kind of develop those friendships through playing together. It was something that really got me invested in that franchise is why there's a lot of people that continue to play destiny daily and weekly and have been planned for years. You're talking about him, I think would if demon is talking might as well. Right? Is it's the game play that will get you hooked, but then it is the not tropes, but the things you expect from him m. m. were an online experience of Clinton mates and teams and getting into that rhythm of, okay. Well, it's Tuesday every Tuesday we sign on and do this same thing where you know you could remove destiny from this input in DC universe online, right? Where, yeah, I didn't give a flying fuck about why because I'm just not that kind of thing. But when it was like we're giving you a superhero game on a console that is in your universe. Like of course, I was in fell in love with it, and then it is the same hooks of an RPG, the leveling up feeling more powerful, the same hoax of MO's playing with other people in having these leagues and things like that's what keeps you coming back. And now I don't necessarily agree about the same. People are now writing in destiny. He says here at the time, a lot of people including the gains Prescott understand why people would do that. I don't know who this a lot of people were that you're referring to. Most of the people that I knew in the games press really enjoyed desk. Zinni when it came out or they just didn't play at all. But the people that did play were playing all the time. And I think they've clearly made substantial improvements since the game. I launch back in two thousand fourteen to where it is today, but I don't think he's comparing destiny one. He what he's saying is we would all poop memo's of sitting there like, why are you? Why are you doing this four hour long who's poo pooing memos on PC. So I'm sure I was big a big on that. That sounds like something do. Yeah. Always held a special place in the kind of landscape of video game genres that have been revered for really long time because they've been around for a long time. They haven't been as mainstream because the time commitment that you need to do to be successful and have fun in an Emo is really unreturnable in just unattainable for the vast majority of gamers out there. You know, the idea of of being able to sink forty to fifty hours a week until a game like wow or destiny, or any other kind of shared world experience is just not feasible for a lot of people, particularly for people that have kids. Speaking of all this, we haven't gotten your report on the new destiny content, really, right. It's true. Whole bunch of stuff has happened in the destiny. I'm I'm, I'm loving it. It's really great they've. They've finally have brought back that desire to want to play every day. The return of dailies of daily missions daily crucibles, daily story, daily bounties bringing back. His I think was was such a smart thing to do because it incentivizes players to want to log in every day and into get those rewards. The grind is as difficult as ever in fact, is probably more difficult now than it's ever been, but it's more fun to grind now than it has been previously. So while on one hand, I'm like, oh God, my light levels moving still slow. On the other hand, I'm having so much fun doing the grind. That doesn't bother me much. I love the new content, the new stories so that they built in how they're tying it to the greater destiny. Lor has been really, really fun to watch and kind of see that pay off happened in the last wish in the raid. Now I do obviously have some some complaints in some gripes about some. Some of the things that bungee is doing, but we don't need to get into the picky of that here. I am unfortunately not going to be on the show on Friday because I'm going to be making an appearance on fire team chat. I want you to go in there and nail distance watching. I really got into it onto you both. No stop arguing, say what you're saying. But stop. He's just wrong. It's a. It's okay. You know what he's entitled to his wrong. Improve how wrong it's all right. That's what you gotta do that you represent game represent. Teams came to my side. Case came to my aid and they really hash it out and last week's episode. If you guys miss it, if your fans are destiny, aren't listening to fire team. Chad, I do highly recommend that show, but yeah, I'm going to be. We're not. We're going do wanna talk about stuff. Dan wrote in becoming a funny dot com slash KFI GD and says, this isn't timely for you, but I just beat Spiderman and watch the Bryant into horror spoiler cast heated a spoiler cast who were similar to Corey bar logs for God of War. I know both Sony, Santa Monica and insomniac are based in California, so that makes press tours easier for them. And maybe I've missed like this in the past, but are spoiler cast becoming a growing trend. I've heard talk on this show about the secrecy of game development, but is that starting to change our Dev, seeing the benefits of being more open about how things come to be in games m I z to Greg Zeo you today. Spoiler gas going for a while. I did my fair share at Jian and podcast beyond all much stuff like that. And I think it might just be that more people are paying attention to them because more people are looking for that kind of content because these games, Spiderman and God of war, as examples are doing such an interesting thing with story and giving you really cool reveal that maybe you didn't see coming and giving you a really engaging story. Maybe you didn't expect at that level. That was, I forgot a War. I didn't expect, you know, coming before I played it for the first time. I don't know if I was expecting it to be holy shit. My game of the year. I can't believe how good this is in the Spiderman, even the changes that they make to the lore or the chances they take. I think you finish that in. This is my thing I g and when we do it would be like you finish that game and you want to talk to people about it. So I feel like that's why we're still there casket inserted matter. Yeah, I think that you know everything you said is absolutely correct, but I also think that people are more connected in digital spaces. Now than they ever have been in. So it's easier to do something. Like a spoiler cast that maybe it was before because more people have access to it, you know a on. I'm glad that there are studios that allow their leadership to go out and speak freely an to be able to talk about things in in. That's the whole idea of a spoiler cast, is that you know, were you know, taking down the walls and laid, you know, like, hey, if you're going to come in and wash the piece of content like you'd better be ready for everything to be spoiled for you. And I think that's generally will we are working with, you know, PR or marketing on video game. They're always so afraid of spoilers because they want to make sure that the community gets to experience the game as developing development team intended it. And a lot of times if we get advanced access to games that gets, you know, more and more difficult. You know, we made a joke about at the top of the show about how the streaming embargo for assassin's creed is tomorrow, and it's like, how do you prevent spoiler from happening accidentally, especially. With, you know, this quest is going to lead to or what conversation or if they're gonna make a reference to something I did exactly. And so I like the idea spoiler casts and I think studios are getting behind it because the expectation is set a cave. You're going to come into this piece of content, you know what's going to happen. Think the secrecy of game development is very much frontloaded where it is that yeah, Brian corio come in until you story like Corey story about how like when she played a war and put it down was like it's horrendous or that's what got communicated or whatever. That's not somebody you can tell in the preview tour because that's the headline is that race game, you don't know. You haven't played audience is horrendous according to view after the fact when you know it's great. That's a funny story to tell, you know, to talk about how twist or how a character evolved is something you can only do after he's played. Well, it's easier when you have a game that comes out to like nines and tens for review scores, so say sure Wilson, the studio head over to do a sport cast. We're confident this. Game is going to do well, and they'll look at spider-man's fastest-selling first party PlayStation game of all time. Go get on me real quick. I don't. This is from Nick Vargo in Cleveland. Thank you for telling me every starting to steal. The telling me whether from kind of funny dot com slash KFI yesterday, Greg said that he was opened here the other side of the union conversation, or we're talking about, obviously I brought up the fact that people were calling. The telltale thing is a great example of why they should unionize. I brought up when Jason schreier was on earlier GDP. He presented his union thing and I didn't really have a counter argument because I'm, I never existed in. Professional capacity in a place where there is a union or there isn't a union and there's a thing. So I'm very open to hearing everything and said, it's very complex issue and depends entirely on how much the unions fight for to be brief. I will only state the con that I think most affects the industry. Unions can increase costs of manpower, whether it is wages benefits or costs or caused processes to take longer when costs are increase in a company, the company will have to compensate to main profitability. This can lead to reduce job openings, the company moving outsourcing or maybe closing entirely unions, and employers must work together to find a balance, Nick. Yeah. I mean, you pay people more that cost the company more that that that bottom line has to be balanced somewhere. Exactly. Yeah. There was another person who didn't make the cut on here that wrote in with an affair of the same exact thing of like, there's a lot of good unions can do their some bad stuff they can do. It was the same thing of costs and stuff, and it's the jokes were always make of like when you talk to anybody who runs. A booth at Pax three or whoa, show that has like Teamsters where it's like, well, there's all these weird requirements where they see you moving something. They can find you thousands of dollars like Hollywood in particular. The unions have the weirdest most obscure rules. Yeah. Well, because they do that to protect the individual positions of each person. Because if you say, well, this person over here can do the role of this person in that role can be eliminated. Then the unions that like no, no, no. To protect that role. It's it gets hairy sometimes boys, but that's why non union productions have risen so prominently since the writers strike back in two thousand eight. Interesting. No rules. Adria stymie squad up. Let's do it. This is where one of you writes in dot com slash KFI GD. Give me your name, use platform choice in why you need help in a video game today. The Portland Kevin says he needs help and rise of the tomb. Raider on PS four. His name is toaster bunny spelled just like it sounds still need help with one more co op trophy. I'm usually online all day Thursday and Friday time zone is US Pacific time. If you want to jump into rise of the tomb raider with money and help them the co op trophies, hit him up toaster money PSN Andrea, yes. Go on top of that. We hit a milestone. It's a new segment again from Kenny Balu. This is episode three hundred of kind of funny. We didn't have a cake or anything. They Tuesday, September twenty. Fifth, this is Kenny today Tuesday, September twenty. Fifth is the three hundred k. f. GD show. Congratulations on surpassing yet another milestone, but more importantly, thank you and the entire KF team for providing quality and entertaining podcasts for well over a year as I did for episodes, one hundred and two hundred. I wanted to write in with some statistics in fun facts that you will hopefully find informative and entertaining. I greatly edited these Cami because you gave so many fun facts that are that we would have been here another hour. So feel free, please oppose them over on the subway. There have been a total of forty, four co hosts twenty one of which have hosted for the first time since the two hundred episode for regulars top three rankings that I- truncated are Greg with two hundred and twenty seven shows Tim with one hundred and eleven shows Andrea with ninety six shows for guests. Number one, we have a tie for number one. It's Anthony guy and chastity from gamespot yell. I like how you know that I Don, I void it's not saying like Gabe Graziani packs. And I'm like, I'm not gonna say, I'm gonna do in Chen seal. That's what it is. You have three shows a piece. Then there's a five way tie for two when Anthony Carboni Christian Phillips cat Bailey, snow bike, Mike, and sheiks junior each having two shows a piece Twenty-nine. Other guests have hosted once then in terms of the, I guess, regulars pairing, Greg, Andrea co-hosted a Wapping seventy four times Greg team sixty three times Greg and Gary twenty. Three times I'm surprised. Jared has moved up on that list, faster, host the Jaroslaw, but Jared just does the show. Other people ought to digress. Very helpful, host. Some fun stats. There have been only thirty two days of shows missed since the show began on June nineteenth, two thousand seventeen Greg's. Longest streak of consecutive shows hosted in a row is twenty five days, although he three in the middle of that stretch, but I'm counting thank you very much. Getting on may seventeenth two thousand eighteen Jared chassis decided to break the handshake streak in and the show at the dance decision. They repeated on August sixteenth twenty eighteen when the show ended with the dance. Again, Greg has called Andrew Goldfarb. Floor times total to ask him to translate Pokemon stories June eighteenth June twenty six, July seventeenth and July twenty. Fifth. And then Greg is warranty shirts on the show four times March twenty. Ninth June sixth, July eleventh and July seventeenth. Not too heavy. Thanks for those. That's fun. I love those Kenny. And like I said, there's a lot more. Please make a calendar countdown to episode four hundred. So we can actually celebrate proper because I feel like we should have had like some confetti cake, and you always want us. You're always here for the celebrations. I mean. That way you Roddick mcmuffin in the morning show. That's good enough. Andrea. Yes, Greg, we ask everybody washing live on twitch dot TV, slash kind of funny games to go to kind of funny dot com. Slash your wrong and tell us what we screw up as we screwed up. So we can set the record straight for everybody watching later on YouTube dot com. Slash kind of funny games in listening podcast services around the globe. I don't know why someone is constantly honking their horn outside, but that's here not there. Andrea sounds like a car line when I screw up today, but it's a very lax today's days ago, Carlisle. I hope it's not my car. East demon writes in to say, Capcom had to pay employee's Canada, headed pay Canadian. KEPCO had to pay employees, Canada by law requires thirty day pay if being shut down. So that's not a complete sentence, eat theme. And if you're going write in and he wrote in boy. And then there was a follow up to that. That says, from capitalist pig, read the Capcom closure, the studio shutdown affects one hundred fifty eight employees who will receive severance packages. A skeleton crew was expected to stay on board till January, and then he links the games industry dot biz article, the details that that closure. So yes, they did get severance packages. Kebab says in the ULA for the Walking Dead. The final season on steam at addresses the possibility of not getting episodes. Quote, t t g till tokens will publicly announce the release dates of episodes which may be subject to change, but makes no representation or warranty has to win this game. We'll be released that's shitty. I guess this is why you're supposed to read you Liz. Mike says, I live in Vancouver and work in the games. Industry here know a bunch of folks who worked at Capcom Vancouver. I'm not one hundred percent on how the last one, but I do know that it wasn't a cluster. Fuck like his tail. Most folks from what I've been told and had some sort of idea. The layoffs in the studio closure were possibility after Capcom calms new IP they were working on with canceled. I've also been through somewhat of a similar situation when I was a contractor, what really sucks, especially when you have no idea why keep a classy Andrea shirt today. Thanks this in Tokyo. I got four of the shirt. These Tisha. It's in Tokyo. Tolerates there a really? Yeah, people will Colonel Sanders. Apparently, I, the thing I noticed was that like all of the women's style in Japan right now is all high necklines. Yeah, I kind of felt indecent walking around at a tanked up, but it was like ninety percent humidity had Jewett hot. What were they wearing? The high neck tops. The robot restaurant? No, yeah. They were in sequence so many sequence. It was amazing. Error can't be shown, says hidden agendas, the playland. Game. We're thinking of thank you. And then kebab says the playland game, Greg was thinking of, that's you? Yes. Exclamation point is in the title I was very much thinking hidden agenda kebabs go to kebab is sending some editorializing about dramas, which are not going to read. This is also doesn't make sense. Kebabs electric drinking. While you watch. Lucar wolf says Greg, with the topic of the week, I can't believe you missed mentioning today's release of the Walking Dead. The final season episode to suffer the children on PS four XBox when PC and switch grew point. Yeah, we mentioned it in passing and a few in the new stories, but it didn't make it into the episode to you. I knew. Possibly the final upset. I don't know what Dane bird is writing in about some kind of game that he wants you to play on party mode. Not really the forum now. Kinda funny dot com slash KFI GD I would say this tweet honestly, but oh, a deal of the day that we miss rocket guardian says, just want to let everyone know that hollow night it's not available on both XBox and PS forums currently on sale. Please pick it up. It is a gym and team cherry deserves all the sport in the world. Zaire says, just an update on tenders which online cloud your cloud saves last for six months without a subscription. I know that was a big. Kind of like Hoboken new people found out that if your subscription lapses, your cloud saves also go by. But now apparently there's a six month grace period for you to get your subscription back in line physician. I wouldn't have thought that'd be a whole of blue. Well, yeah, I guess because they didn't announce that it would be your saves would be safe for six months. I think the assumption was, if let's say you had a credit card get cancelled or whatever you had on fraud alert pinged your credit card, your cloud saves just mysteriously disappeared. Like that would be really horrible. So glad to hear that. That's not what the policy is. You have six months to get your your subscription back up and running or to move your say files. Let's see here. Yep, more. Another thing about the cloud saves. Zaira says divinity original sin to was coming to switch, but I don't know what that supposed to be in relationship to. I think we. Without a new date. I, I mean, I don't know. I don't. I don't remember hearing that. I don't know what this l. Kahal tweet is about kebabs kebabs. Are you drunk right now don't drink during the show. Apparently he's never had a drop of alcohol in his life. Aside from a sip of beer. Woman, there's no excuses for why you're so bad at your lately. Maybe he's just like really high on Nyquil, maybe. Ladies and gentlemen. 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One is Tyler knoll the other John Wally Wallis who not only sent me a flowers purchase confirmation. But also a sacs purchase confirmation and Amazon purchase confirmation. So congratulations to both of you guys. I will ship out those. Bowl press passes to you. If I have your address, and you guys went the extra mile to win. So congratulations. Speaking of the extra mile. It's big Showtime. Greg before we dive into the top college quarterbacks as we start our draft series here with you, which I'm very much looking forward to I did just want to get your thoughts. I with Joe flacco the big trade Wednesday. You watched him as much as anybody the last couple of years. What have you seen from Joe flacco? And what do you think he still has to offer? The Denver Broncos. You know, it's interesting Ross flacco almost became a different quarterback over the last number of years, and it's hard to know why earlier in his career. He was very aggressive Cassar. Very good. Throwing the intermediate routes those deep digs. He has a big arm. Threw the ball extremely well down the field. Those things that were part of his game and made him at one point a very good quarterback in Super Bowl winner have not really been a major part of his game in recent years. Now, it's always hard to know when you have different coordinators different tasking systems as to the reason for that. But he became much more of a short passer more conservative passer, not as good throwing the ball down the field from a production standpoint. And the way he played did not really reflect his arm talent. Interesting point, Greg, and I wonder you know, he's had some health issues. Is it fair to say potentially? You know, some of the personnel changes. They had there in Baltimore might have had some impact. But they tried to always have a a Mike Wallace or a John Brown or somebody that can stretch the field like Torrey Smith. Always did. Yeah. I mean, you saw flashes of it obviously Ross, but just in general the yards per attempt were very low. I don't think he was aggressive as aggressive in his mindset pushing the ball down the field, which was a strength of his game through his first four or five years in the league. Clearly, so it's hard to know where the the reasons lie clearly there have been a number of coordinators. There's been a lot of changes at wide receiver. He certainly not the kind of quarterback that's going to make improvisational second reaction plays. So. It's hard to get a handle on that. You know? I think for public perception of Joe flacco at this point is that he's not very good. But he certainly can still throw the ball from a talent standpoint. Maybe a change of scenery. Maybe a change of philosophy hard to say, but he still can throw the football. Yeah. And we'll we'll see you know, how it goes for him. Certainly in Denver be very curious to see how that works out. I mean, I guess the one thing we don't know the inner workings of it, Greg. But as you said the perception of Joe flacco is that he's now terrible. I mean, obviously Vic Fangio the best D coordinator in the NFL must think that there's still something there. Right. Because he had to even if it wasn't his idea to make this trade you had to sign off on and he's kind of the head coach of the Broncos. Well, you're still looking at talent you're still looking at a guy who can throw the ball very, well, he stole a high level passer of the football. So now, can you sort of re, cultivate, that with a new scheme new system, and then ideally get him back to what he was four or five six years ago. Yeah. That'll be very interesting. And they must think he's a big upgrade, Greg over case keenum because keenum now will be ten million dollars in dead money on their cap, and they gave up a fourth round pick. So I guess my question would be what did you see from keenum this year? And is there anything you saw on tape that would indicate the flack owes a significant upgrade from keenum. Well, at some point you have to look at talent and believe that you can, cultivate, it because clearly Joe flacco was a far more talented passer of the football in case keenum. You don't need a a. Detailed? I to know that. So they're they're looking at the talent of the player and believing that they can make that work. He's clearly more counted than case keenum, that's not even really open to conversation. Speaking talent, Greg. Let's dive into it. Some of these guys coming into the draft. We know now for sure that Keiler Murray will be in the draft. I've seen what you posted on Twitter at Greg Cosell about his scouting report. But for my listeners your thoughts on Cuyler Murray as an NFL prospect. Well, you know, the only real issue for me, and for most will be his height and his his bulk where that comes into play, and that will be in the eye of the beholder one point I made when I released my evaluation, and I think it's a very valid one is there's no question Murray is an exception. So will he be seen by some as a prototype Ross for the changing nature of NFL offense? Or will he be seen as a too short too small quarterback who won't be able to function effectively? I think that will be in the eye of the beholder what makes him to me. If fascinating projection is he's an excellent throw over the football. You know, I made the point. And I'm sure it generated controversy. I don't I don't generate controversy Ross. I just watch the tape and then make my notes that's what I do as you. Well know, I think that he's throws the ball naturally better. Can Russell Wilson. And then there's a little bit of nitpick there. I'm not suggesting one's a ten in one's a five. He's more dynamically athletic than Russell Wilson. He's athletic in a different way. Now, I'm not suggesting thing that that he's better than Russell Wilson right now. But I think if you other than the size, and they're probably going to be very similar height. Wilson is Bill totally differently. And that's a factor. You know, I think that Murray has a lot of positive traits. Yeah. I mean, that's I kind of agree. I thought the comparison was Russell Wilson at twelve going to ask you about. And how they compare it. And you just did it for me, which is great. I appreciate that. What about Greg Dwayne Haskins because Haskins is the next guy? That's been talked about a lot as being really one of the one of the top prospects in the draft. Yeah. And Haskins looks the part. You know, he's he's a very talented thrower. He projects us a pocket quarterback. He has prototypical size. He's got a strong, California arm. You know to be close Jade, but true, he certainly can make any throat he needs refinement and several areas, including his foot work at his base in the pocket that impacts his accuracy at times, which can be a Radic and even at times scattershot. I think he needs to approve his movement within the pocket he needs to become more efficient because sensually he's a pocket quarterback. So he must become better at sliding resetting. Delivering I think there are some concerns about his field vision. He certainly has tools. You know, the term that everybody'll say is he's tools. He he certainly has tools. We know depending on where he gets drafted that he could be day one starter. So that. Argument about whether he's ready or not ready as irrelevant. He certainly likes experience. I think people will look at him as having a high ceiling, and it's what can he become as opposed to what he is? Now. And what do you think that that is? So so you think that when you look at him, do you think that there's a lot of potential? Yes. But I, but I also don't think and I hate to use Koze terms Ross. But we all do that at this time of year because I don't know how else to say it. I don't think he's an automatic star. You know, I I think he can be depending on coaching staff scheme. How he's utilized variables with the team. I think he could end up being very very good. But I don't think it's an automatic. Interesting. Yeah. And there's always it's always interesting to with the one year starters. And what you know, what those guys bring to the table. What about grit just a quick point? Mitchell Trubisky was a one year starter. And then he came to Chicago forced to play as a rookie, very up and down. Then got mad Nagy as coach Matt Nagy one of the best offensive coaches and designers in the league. And there was a clear ascendant element to Trubisky. But I think so much of that to me has to do with the coach and the scheme. That's terrific point. And I wonder if you could say that on some level about golf went in came, Sean. No question. Yeah. Let me ask you this about about Haskins. You know, I know you're not a big comparison guy. But it does help for people that don't watch a lot of college football. Did just have some idea of a player with a similar skill set? So calamari Russell Wilson. I get it. Is there a guy that Haskins remind you of even even if just a little bit. If I picked a little bit. I'd say James Winston. Interesting. I like that because neither one of them is really a runner, but they can if they have today, but they they're awkward movers. Back can do something with their legs. But they're not necessarily runners. I liked that I liked that comparison a lot. And I think they're both big kids who aren't afraid to drive it down the field and are very accurate. I liked that. Greg. All right. I appreciate that. I think that's I think that's a good fit because I was looking to try to think of a comparison for him. All right. Let's move on out of the next two guys. Daniel Jones from Duke and drew lock from Missouri. Is there a guy out of those two that jumped out to you more? You were more impressed with. Well, locks a high alert, you know, again because shade, but true block is a high level arm Callan. He's a natural throw the football. He can drive the ball to all parts of the field from the pocket and on the move. He showed playmaking ability just to throw it out there for now. Because you you may ask me about a comparison. I think you could look lock and see an an early wild stallion ish Matthew Stafford type talent he's got a ton of physical tools to work with needs to be far more consistent with this ball placement in his decision making at times he drifts, and so he must clean up his foot work in the pocket. The film clearly tells you he's a first round talent with their skill set and traits another guy that needs a lot of coaching and refinement he'll be seen as having a tremendous upside some people might think, hey, he's not a first round pick because he needs a lot of work, but he has. A pretty major throwing skill set. Right. And it seems like people people are kind of keen on is there a good count for lock crime. And that's why I mentioned Matthew Stafford. Right. You know early on that. Early on that Hugh Stafford who came in the league, obviously is a number one pick. I think he was a consensus number one pick with his ability to throw the football lock certainly has that kind of ability. I mean, he he is a really smooth and easy thrower. He has wow throws. He can drive the football with ease. Yeah. So that's awesome to hear. I guess what are the negatives on them? He tends to hitch up a little too much. What is what does that mean? For listeners might not know they'll be times when he drops back plants the back foot and doesn't need to step up and climb the pocket, but he does. And therefore he's late with some throws. He tends to drift off the mid line. When you drop back, you should stay straight behind the center, and that's called the mid line. He tends to drift. So what that does is? Oftentimes, you move into pressure and create your own pressure at times, they're sort of a general looseness and lack of discipline to his game at times, I questioned watching them whether he has quick is and see things as quick as quickly and decisively needs to. So those are some of the things I would say that need to be worked on. What about Daniel Jones now from Duke? Daniel Jones is an interesting player. Here's kind of the way, I wrapped him up. When I watched him. I said here's way I said it's NFL game. Must be built in order for him to be successful. It must be built on pre snap understanding and awareness. It must be built on repeated mechanics. Strong pocket presence and toughness quick is precise ball placement and enough functionable -bility to make needed second reaction plays for him to be successful. That must be his game as a passer just as a passer. Now, I thought he reminded me somewhat of Nick foles. Well, that's an interesting that I guess that's a good comp to be compared to these days. Yeah. I mean, I would I I wouldn't call Nick. And I love Nick, but I wouldn't call Nick, you know, a super armed Cowan. But he certainly can throw the ball. And I think Nick is a was a good case of a system a marriage between system and player making the player, very efficient. I think Jones will need to be that guy certainly early in his career, Greg always appreciate the time. I love it next week. We'll get into some of the other quarterbacks the will Greer's, and sort of the next level guys that that we don't think you're going to be first round picks. But who knows I wanted to at least touch it off this kick it off with the first round picks loved it. Appreciate the breakdown. And I love the the player comps free because it gives all of us kind of a visual image. And we know what you're saying. We are saying that these prospects identical to the player exactly exact same guy. Right. Right. Love love love. Greg Cosell's, breakdowns almost as much as I love, my Saks underwear. Dudes Valentine's Day just happened yesterday. You know, the deal you need to have underwear that makes you look your best and feel your best. That is Saks underwear. Just got my new shipment. Check my Twitter and Instagram at Ross Tuckerman fell. I'm going to post a picture of not me in the underwear. Sorry. Ladies can't do it. But I will be posting my latest shipment of the kinetic long leg and the quest to point -o long leg. So you guys can see what I guy by the way, Saxon. Even ask me to do that. I just do that. Because I appreciate them so much, and I love it. And I really do want everybody to wear underwear that makes them feel better and makes them feel more comfortable, and you guys can do that by getting. Five dollars off plus free shipping on your first purchase. When you use the promo code Ross. Here's what you do you. Go to SA ex- ex- underwear dot com. That's sex with two exits you use the promo code Ross at checkout, again Saks underwear dot com. Promo code Ross. Jeez. Hey Ross, obviously you Greg just talked about it. But your thoughts on the first big quarterback move the off season Broncos getting Joe flacco. Well, what I do think there's a couple of things that are interesting about it. Right. So number one, you know, they're gonna take on ten million dollars at dead money on case keenum when they move on from him. And then flacco is eighteen and a half million that's twenty eight and a half million just for your starting quarterback because they're going to bring somebody else to be in the be the backup quarterback and they gave up a fourth round pick. So they are saying that they think Flaco a lot better than keenum. So I think that's interesting and the part about Vic Fangio I mean best D coordinator in the league. Obviously thinks flat goes pretty good. Otherwise, he wouldn't have done this. So I think that's something to keep in mind. That's number one. Number two is I really felt Bri like there would be, you know, four teams I thought for sure that there was a pretty good chance that they would draft a quarterback high like first round maybe second as well as Endo or get a veteran guy, right number. Ones. The Jacksonville Jaguars clearly number to the Washington Redskins. And then you got the giants and the dolphins. Right. So I thought flacco would go to one of those four he didn't he went to the Broncos. So now keenum king go to one of those four, but nobody's going to sell keenum as being like the guy you might have been able to sell flacco or foles as the guy you can't sell keenum at as the guy to your locker room or to the fans. So I think the other interesting offshoot of it is I think it was probably good for the teams looking for the players that are looking at drafted that we just talked about like Cuyler Murray and Askins because you know, those other teams weren't able to fill the void by getting flacco. And I also think it's beyond obvious now that it's going to be Nick foles in the Jaguars. And I think the eagles and the Jags might be headed to a stare down at some point, which is pretty darn intense. Because. That's clearly who the Jags one. But the eagles know that do they tag foles and make them have to try to give up draft pick compensation for it. Going to be fascinating. Jeez. And what do you think we're us about the Steelers are expected to put the transition tag on Bill? That's really interesting Bri really interesting because they're going to do it with the intention of trying to trade him and get something in return. Of course, they were get a compensatory pick in twenty twenty if they just let him go depending on what they choose to do in free agency. And so you look at it. And you think? Okay. Is this is this the best move for the Steelers or they'd kinda just artificially deflating lady on bells value or are. They just trying to see what see what they can maybe get because here's the thing. They can't trade him unless he signs the transition tag the guy never signed the franchise tag. So what makes them think he's going to sign the transition tag? That's number one number two. If he if he if he signed an offer sheet somewhere else. The Steelers could match it and then trade him, but you can't trade him in the team. He signed the offer she with. So you have to train them to somebody else, which makes it risky for this yours, and they might have on under contract for a lot of money. So I think it's I think it's really interesting really really interesting to see how that plays out. And they're trying to do that. All right. Some other news cleaning the Jaguars locking up their kicker the Niners declining the option on PR Garson Bengals getting denied by yet. Another D coordinator candidate, right, so okay. So for the Jags Lambeau I- buddy in college. Lambeau Steve lamberton, good guy, really guys still talk to him every once in a while Tex with him. He was good offense alarm who's a senior. When I was a sophomore couple years ahead of me. In fact, there was a few games where we split time at guard my sophomore year. Greg Lambeau, here's a good kicker. So the giants game a lot of money. Here's the thing though, kickers go bad. Sometimes keep that in mind. You know, that's always like the nervousness. Could you get Cody parkey syndrome, you give them the money, and then things don't work out real well as for gar sewn? It's not a very good wide receiver free agent market. So I wonder if he'll get some interest and then. You've got the Bengals what a disaster. So when they going gonna hire Zack Taylor he has to know who is coordinators, and he has to say that's going to be the guy. Now, he doesn't know how much money the Bengals at that point are willing to offer the coordinator, he just knows it. That's who we want and that guys as gonna come with them. But maybe del Rio was only offered the Bengals are notoriously cheap. So maybe he said del Rio is my guy he's coming with me. And then the Bengals tried to low Bom on how much they're willing to pay the coordinator. I don't know that. But they probably should've worked at out this time. It was Todd Grantham who stayed at Florida for more money and college football, then going to the Bengals pretty brutal. Geez. All right. And finally, what did you make of? I don't know why it's your guy. Do you know this guy? Jalen, Ferguson from Louisiana tech. Well, he's my guy. Just because I've talked about him several times on the college draft podcast with friend Duffy because I did the Louisiana tech game against western Kentucky. So that's kind of why he's my guy saw him in person play and talked about them going into the week as a first round pick. And he got in a fight at a McDonald's, I guess at some point and the NFL has this policy that if you've been involved in the incident like that they're not going to invite you to the combine it's really bizarre because those are the guys at the NFL needs to do as much background work on as possible. They need to talk to him. And you can find out what happened they need to really grill him. And so the NFL is just making things difficult more difficult for the teams and on some level. I guess the player, I guess at least less convenient for the player. But a lot of people believe that they're doing it just so that since the combine such a TV thing now that they don't have to talk about incidents like that during the TV show that is I'm buying kind of weird in my mind Bri, they'll do it, by the way tuck stakes I gotta tell you though about bet online because we got more football this weekend. Make the af games even more interesting. I know a lot of you like tackle football. You like to watch tackle football. You can watch tackle football on CBS sports network NFL network this weekend, and you can bet on it at bed online dot AG using the promo code podcast one, but online dot AG, promo code podcast one. Yeah. Yeah. There's other sports going on you can bet on you can already bet on where Beckham junior might go. We're an Tonio Brown might go. A lot of fun stuff to bet on over it, but online dot AG, but the A F, I think is a pretty cool thing. To bet on. NFL player. A question will here's your genius? It's time to ask Russ Email address Ross at Ross Tucker dot com. You guys obviously know the deal you take advantage of any of our sponsors like Saks underwear or online, data, AG forwarded to me Ross Ross Tucker dot com. Read and respond on the year. Today's question we'll for starts off Ross. Hey, brian. I'm not sure if Lantana HAMAs counts as a sponsored confirmation. Have you tried the green chili HAMAs? It's my new favorite right behind the Saracho carrot. Here's my question to focused on Tony Pacelle. He was the best at his position for seven years dominant. In fact, and I think you should have done Anthony bacilli on the podcast soon. And he had said in a recent interview with Dan Patrick that he had never worn long sleeves in his career and coldest game. He played like five degrees with a negative wind chill. He said it just hurt out there. So my question for you Ross. Did you? Ever play with long sleeves. Also, what was the coldest game the city or the degrees that you played in and bonus. I know that you and Tony your friends. You have any good stories about him. I don't really have any good stories about Tony other than when we hopped in my car and Philly and drove all the way to Pittsburgh. He was in the booth. I was on the sideline for eagles falcons. Then we hopped in the car and the truck and drove west we did stop at a Starbucks at some point. And I ordered a Frappuccino to get some caffeine. So you had a six seven three hundred pound guy in a six five three hundred pound guy ordering a Frappuccino is not an orange mocha Frappuccino, whatever that is from zoo Lander. But that's about the only store I have about him. That's a great story. Russ crate story. You making fun of me. Right. Yeah. That's a that's an awesome story. I'm glad you glad you shared that. All right. What is you know? He asked for a story. I said not really I said, the only story I had Bri was when we drove across the state of Pennsylvania. I mean, you had to be a Frappuccino. Sorry. Go ahead. Cheer, you really hard sip in my office because you're freaking fire. No. So I never wore sleeves. Although you know, what I've seen a game. I've seen myself in a bills uniform where I think I have sleeves on. And so I think that I was a backup. Never did. I wear sleeves. If I was starting. But I must have worn them for one game when I was a backup. Because when you're I've told you guys before on your starting is no problem when you're a backup. It's cold, bro. I mean, it's is cold standing there on the sideline of buffalo coldest game. I remember it was at Cincinnati because I came out in a t shirt to warm up before the game. And Chad Johnson was like, hey, buddy. You're going to be cold. And I was like now, I'm good, man. I'm good good question though. 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You know it was Kuwait a lot of fighters and porn stars, and all kinds of old friends of mine watch we also Tuesday, so I put Camilla cleese's really funny comic, and she stayed with her dad John cleese so all of a sudden John cleese joins zoom show, and that's just amazing. Just An. You can't plan that you can't ask for it. It's one of those things. To happen. No and normally I. have this background I have this background I'll say this is what I like. My my comedy background, so he's looks at my window and goes. Is he a magician? Asked and that was an I've been laughing like all week at just that simple brilliance of like like what does he? Is he going to do magic as I laughing? Because that is just one of those like serve, people are just I. Don't know if they're. Funny, they're inherently hilarious. They don't even have to try. John cleese's is one of those people and I'm sure he does to try, but he just so fucking brilliant like one thing he says you're laughing for a week. You know I appreciate people like that. Guys the guys a legend. Energy and confidence that comes with being alleged is unimaginable. You know and it's just the second. You feel at the second reunion shows up. You're like you know what I mean. The excitement level just goes up and. Say. That goofiness, he has that goofiness funniness, and also telling my wife and like I've been laughing. All he said was a magician. If you saw that I had like I'm going to be magic zoom. Well, he has those fresh eyes. You know or it's like he's. He's everything for the first time. which is what makes it really funny? You know so that was that was awesome having John cleese there and then we'll talk about some fights. Okay, first of all this great fights this weekend. Tyron Woodley frightened. Gobert Burns where did card? So Mike Tyson, right. I! Tyson has all of a sudden coming back It's fifty. Three and everyone's really excited about this and. I'm not okay I. 'cause I saw how Tyson wasn't as last couple of he for Kevin. McBride quit his last night for the other Danny. Something he was not an that was when he was training. Then he's sweet for fifteen years, and now he looks great. I don't know if he's on TRT or whatever he's on, but let's just keep the Mike. It's not going to be the same as when he was eighteen years old, Murray, people. I mean maybe I'm crazy. Maybe I'm nuts but Dana white convincing him. To not do it and here's a guy. That's still giving Diego Sanchez fights. With so funny when we first talked about this subject I was kind of excited about him. I was like I. Want to see this thing, but then I realized Yogis well into his fifties fifty-three. Yeah, and I was like you know what that's safe. This isn't golf. No, this isn't tennis. Even tennis isn't safe for that age. You know what to do your ankles. Guys gotta go get Punch Punch. At fifty three years old. It's. Michael Jordan for Safety Michael Jordan on the Hornets for the Odi, play for or the warriors number. No, it was the wizards the water. It was kind of like. That was he was so scoring twenty five points a game, but it wasn't Michael Jordan and he was like three years passes private that. Was the Hornets Charlotte Deliverance. He ended up. I was confused ended up buying the Horn, the Hornets, and then he bought the Bob Cats, right or something and turn into the Bob Cats. They change who gave Bob to go? Back to being the Hornets, I, don't know if something like. I was watching the last dance confused so, but at the same time Tito Ortiz now says that Mike Tyson. People have contacted him about fighting. and. I'm excited again I'm sorry. Think. Sorry. Sorry I'LL! Lived disappointment and you went back excited how? All right now you got me I 'cause now I'm curious as to WHO's going to win this fight, 'cause everyone. Is GonNA kill. Is GonNA, kill him. I mean He. He took ten continue just been training. He was not known as a boxer. He really doesn't win. You know, but even after that last Tito fight that they did the horrible that'd be that was. For beat the prowrestler. I. I don't think it's fun to watch anymore. After that because I remember that that big Tito fight that they the the big okay I was excited until it happened. The terrible goodness fight. We also look terrible now he he's fucked up now like three punches. They both looked just so all. Get. I'm against it and that was one of these that turned me against it. was that fight. I was looking forward to it I was like yes, senior league. No, no, no, no I ta all right, so that's one. I'm against. All right so now John. Jones has retired according to him for two years. Because I guess what happened was. They were talking about Josie are as the League calls it a permanent suspension. Well, what happens is saying him in Ghana. And everyone's. Talking Shit to each other on on twitter. Because of what happened Ben Rothwell and he says Oh, well I'll have and you know what. I'm curious for that fight, too. Because the Jones comes in a two thirty, he's he's got the highest I Q in animate, maybe may histories never lost and God knows lost twenty three times Jones, has great wrestling underrated wrestling. He's got the speed obviously in Ghana got the strength, and he's got the power, but does he have, but is what he's GonNa gas out after one round, and Joe's going to beat them I'm curious with that fight I. Am however you honestly think and it because you're right the advantage of being the wrestling, you honestly think that Jon Jones could hold down in Gone Hill. Because I don't think he could even be on the ground I. Don't think it came on the ground. A two hundred thirty pound John. Jones to forty pound John Jones just because he's heavier doesn't mean he's stronger. I mean we're talking about the best fighter of all time I mean yes, the Asterix because of the drought because of the steroids, but he's never lost, and you look at John Jones. Who He's beaten. He's beating. Everybody I mean. It's not like he's the guy who's been ducking anybody everybody. They put in front of them from Shogun to rampage to Prime Rashad Evans to. DC twice to Diogo the to Anthony Smith the OS if you've been everybody that they've put in front of okay, I am Bater Shell son and let's let's look down the list. He's say you look at all those, and it's a much better backup than the physical disparity. He'd be facing God. He knows that he he knows he even says he even said to and Gano you have to land your slow ass. Is it going to? He's going to have the the brightest guys with him. He's GonNa Bring in Monster Train. I don't know I. Don't know if he beats Steve Bay however, so his point is that he's willing to fight. But that you have seized not willing to pay him more. So. He thought that I'm upset about this because they should pay more for the super fight. Now. Here's my thoughts on this. If it was anybody else, but John Jones I would say you're right. We're talking about a guy that has made the you have, C., look, terrible time and time multiple times would wanNA really took a fucking event from Las Vegas and brought it to Los Angeles on three days, notice and lost all kinds of money because he failed a fucking steroid test, a guy who who hit a woman that was pregnant fled. The scene, came back on his drugs seat again tested positive for cocaine drunk driving during a pandemic shooting guns. I mean the list goes on and on so I think when you have that, you can't really say will. You're not treating me there because? If, it was an other sport. They might not let you come back in if it was the NFL or the NBA and he pulled this shit, they might say you're out. Yeah, your parents live. Yeah, they don't make venue for live boxing. They would let you come back in and no other sport would give you this many chances that for sure, and if we talk about the way, these deals are structured, don't normally part of the deal is the percentage of the pay-per-view so really. He should just be counting on that to say need to pay me more it. Is You. Know not is delusional. You know underpaid underpaid relative to boxing lever. Everyone has done is. Low. The UFC is still a a new sport compared. The boxing boxing has been around since. Eighteen hundred and you can't call it a new sport anymore. It's a global phenomenon. The numbers of new huge. They have reebok closed. By the. People get paid more. Yeah, you're right and John Jones should be getting the kind of money to boxers get. You know what if he'd stayed clean and played the game he would be so you can't make acceptance for a guy who's living by the consequences of his own actions, so so he says I'm walking away Gelson and says a walkaway. Don't drive away. Jail, And then John says he wants Yamba College next. Look I know that young one is last couple of weeks, but why doesn't raise get a rematch? That was a very close fight. Most people had race winning. I had gone. To, but it was close enough to warrant rematch or Chagas Santos is also a very close fight I. DON'T THINK GLOVER TO SHARE A. J- I go to the easier Pfizer. John Jones right now for sure. And, maybe that's why he wants them, but I think digress. Dominic Grass deserves that rematch immediately basis. Don't understand why he would want I i. don't know like the garden and then like all right well, then. I'll take one of these guys like. You. Don't get the dictate terms utilise. Retirement any every time you fuck shit up. You don't get to dictate terms so crazy. He guys delusional he is. He's delusional, but I think at a certain level. Like. That delusion serves them. I mean how many I like. The delusion served to ruin his career, but also serves to make him like he I mean for guy like I'm the best in the world and to do it every and I'm going to do what I want. Is What kind of drives him and fuels him. Hey, you could say that all you every fighter. Thanks for the best in the world. That's number one. Okay, but some of them managed. If I can keep it together and actually just have career, I mean. If you WanNa talk guys that have managed to do that, just look at mayweather. You know. Here's a guy that in his sport. He could've been a fucking going off and breaking all, but he didn't yell. Jail for domestic violence right? But still he was never caught using drugs or anything, so he has an undefeated record was never suspended for. For months in jail I mean no other. It can be done better than what he's done to call himself the best. It's ever you know like. You should have held her shit together, but he didn't. Conor McGregor has been tweeting. He's the best of all time McGregor's and. He's he's easing house best of all time I don't think so. I was not active enough second of all he's. He's been beaten Jones never lost then he says you factor in the PD sticks out of the thing. Okay, maybe do that, but fate our fate or Prime Mark. Coleman be book in prime out the list of guys at fate or beat. I would put him ahead of a McGregor and then also I. Beat you. Never lost, so you gotta put him ahead of you. The Guy that made you tab with a net crank. So. That's the other thing and Khabib. Story isn't even finished being told yet. It's probably even halfway being told yet, so I mean could be by the time he's done will probably be remembered as the best, and you have Anderson Silva I mean his title. Reign was insane. saint here's run again. I