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Podcast: The global pandemic is forcing rapid cloud migration and an increased need for partners to deploy agentless security solutions

Telecom Reseller

17:48 min | 1 year ago

Podcast: The global pandemic is forcing rapid cloud migration and an increased need for partners to deploy agentless security solutions

"This is Greenham. The publisher of Telecom reseller today of with Sanjay Raja of digital. Defense Sanjay thank you for joining me today? So this is. Going to be very interesting PODCAST WE'RE GONNA. Be Talking about some things. We have not been discussing lately here at Tier. Publications podcast series, and we're going to be specifically talking today about the increased need free. Agent Louis Lucians at a time when businesses are dealing with broadening attack, surface surface will making extreme changes to how they operate, and that is I. Think it really. Very true of a lot of our listeners lauren been scrambling just to basically keep operations running. And so a lot of details have been left behind. This is not a small detail so essentially. Before we dive into that. What is digital defense? giggled events provides me management. Sensitive Solutions really they're the purpose Dole for cloud explore beal help manage services. Offerings deliver services to their clients, and says both from the ground up. Kind of you know these determined at the next generation voting solution really and again it's got some other kids abilities to it now. We also do about vacation scanning. Do Threat scanning as well. It's really not a replacement for monitoring solution, but it has many capabilities that can really help people. Find that things like ransomware and their environment. You, know a lot of monitoring solutions have difficulty identifying for different reasons know. Later. Our Beijing and them. The topic is that we're also easily space solution require agent. To run, which we're finding a lot of our prospects and customers, you know so many around the environment or something like this the art of our new architectural that we'd vaulted Russell years. I'm a key thing that's differentiates us from you know kind of the legacy. Really music solutions out there is that we are really able to reduce positives to a very very small level of because we do very customized even real time scanning of assets you know. Most other solutions are run once a month in two or three months engine six months. Because of the performance impact having environment he's had the information you have on your first line of defense is out of date. Because we're you know can operate in real time to work on demand They're really good about the identify. Stuff happens, but. Basically what we. Developed as platform to help people at the first night of the security. Infrastructure Real. All right, so let's Let's dive into this topic. which is what is it about the current climate? That is making risk and threat assessment more important. Yeah what we're seeing out there is that especially as you're specially to healthcare of primary issues being impacted. But we're seeing you know multiple clients. Really be affected by southern increased malware All Tax ransomware all sorts of tax it seems like the threat actors is really impact. Their Kennedy Right now. They're doing it a time. Where organizations are you know trying to get? Workers enabled from home, or they're moving applications to the cloud, because as a great applications remotely so they're. They're really migrating lot to cloud Mabley lot were structure or remote workers. In, so as they're really focused on that area, they're not deal is boosting security, which is why the threat actors really big abuser that we're seeing. In twenty thirty percent more activity than have been expected this year, too. There's always a growth period. Where Moore increases your year. It's really this year. It's cutting edge higher because they're taking too early be. Bogged down by the PIN number. So why are customers and your prospects looking for more agent Louis Solutions. A lot of that is the fact that they they're suddenly. They've got these rules or they have to be able to. Migrate isn't restructure now in the more cloud moving out of the data center in some ways, but also they've got to look at you know the remote workers enable all that well, not process. You know to be more effective at what they're doing. They really don't want to look for at ease into their systems, and even migraines cloud like that if they had. A news your mechanism to be able to start doing security internally an easiest model with it able that they've got to deploy. Let's keep up to date list manage. That not only helps them deploy faster, but even on a they mansard pieces. They don't have to worry about these agents where we round and she date. the other aspect too is as you're trying to understand the performance requirements they have you know we're gonNA have totally changed their model You know they don't have to worry about majors. Sitting on that system to resources to so there's a lot of different reasons why he's a lot more effective i. mean certainly from what we've seen with. Our client base is what's much. She's a rollout. Go security infrastructure and starts provided capable results immediately to so This is one of the reasons why we decided to go or reason approach at least for now you know. Almost for custom. Most seem take. For that. So what about mobility what about mobile devices? Yeah that's another component around. You know easily that that you know. It was really important because the the mobile devices as they are, they are these days I'm GONNA we're spending. Two. Thousand Dollars and then we're going to the two three thousand dollar levels from some new ones coming out it's really that you know the amount of CPU memory can handle on. It's very limited, so you really can't run a security agents on a on a mobile device. They really need to be understood. Fingerprinted as we like to call it. The characteristics of it and then also assessed in a way that is very lightweight on the actual device is the whole point is your mobile and wireless networks then you may even have spotty connections depending on where they are really at home. You're actually not. The Solitaire is in your new corporate location, so be sensitive to that the ability to run in scan these devices without agents critical at the same time. You don't want to sacrifice capabilities and security, because again accurate printed word you people that are working from home so something we see, we can be much more effective. Mobile device role. So. How does an ancient with system help? Customers thwarted attackers that rely on dwell time. We found in our research. That I think you'll find solutions is that? A lot of Monterey solutions out there and they usually require an. Actual solution on the endpoint or the asset and they they monitor for activity. You know the the problem is that they miss anything. what hackers we'll do it. He'll fit within an environment for a week to me. See the packers that'll fit in the area for you know three months, and then they do small little burst of activity, but something that's very hard to detect by solution that is monitoring for an almost hager like that so because of the fact they take advantage of some of these. Dwell on. It You were we found. Is that sometimes having the ability to scan persistent and look specifically targeted things? Can the also effective way to add onto things so you know when you don't have an Asian? You're actually relying on some level scanning you know side by side for threats You're able to undertake a lot more activity in. We've found in our research. Shows I. Mean everybody into this. Is that a lot of times very targeted scan at certain assets, versus just monitoring so listens can help you really identify to and you know we call artifacts, breadcrumbs activity where it hack in the actual threat Julie very active or dormant, but you can still find it. There may be able to do that beginning easily system. is fairly effective at the. Look for that type of stuff without having to get these installed at six monitors for stuff, so that's the reason why we affected. Edition to typical. Re Program. So. Let's look at this issue from the point of view of our channel partner readers for a channel partner that's helping their customers security program. How can an agent list solution make them more effective? Working organizations that are so down by what's going on out there and you know this is starting to catch her breath. And trying to convert their general infrastructure into something that's usable by a remote works at Williston. Workers We're seeing that even securitywise attracted increased I. It's a similar problem. They had for quite a long time now. Is that the my of security out there? The out there that people experiencing with cloud security are so limited in hard to find at keeping up with all the increase. Tack Activities Challenging. For a lot of customers, and it's one of the reasons why ransomware so successful it's hard to find people that can find these packs. They hit for long time some cases, so we see more customers lying on. Partners, whether someone is helping them build solutions or whether they're. Providing their security capabilities demand search writers. Those companies are able to scale kind of looked at multiple customers able to bring the best practices in in, so they're seeing that they rely on these vendors to help them. accelerate security program, and actually what's needed now. Is You really haven't so suddenly and it? Security is kind of making A. You know. Behind in terms of being able to keep up with all the changes. Made to look at ways accelerating the security mission reached essentially in cost Mormon. So can help companies with that by you know looking at things like ageless architectures to. Accelerate deployment, if things up and running and start producing results right away, you know the problem is very complex, because the media solutions require a lot of resources forever to get and. In the meantime you know I've seen whether it's healthcare financial institution. They found things. GET LITTLE BITS information. But you know it's almost too late that they start to find some that stuff is still a few weeks, or they can stop attacker from being successful, so speed, and importance can use to begin quickly and getting results fast. Important apartment can help about note also party solutions do that. So how does this all fit into an existing clients ecosystem, especially controlling the access of byod. As. People are moving to the cloud. If one of the biggest food is the ability for especially. In the Parter Minnesota spider as they're being. you know they have to deploy in the cloud easily biggest problem. I've seen a lot of security. There and you'll hear this from vendors and customers. You know people who've gone through it. You know it's almost like they're about Oh heart. Is that a ghetto? The Jewish solutions after the claim cloud data or working cloud up really and really what people have been as they're taking their. On premise solution that Houston data center. You know and they've Kinda converted. Cloud and it doesn't really work very well, except really designed for that purpose, and so it ends up. You have security flaws, configuration problems, so it almost makes the problem worse delays, everything so being able to find a cloud native solution that are truly vote that way mulkey tendon. That can scale quickly and it'd be deployed quickly important so that that's part of video into that ecosystem. Writing gives people are moving more and more about applications. s being pushed by. Workers competed at rapidly fit into that Moore ecosystem is important, so it's getting the data center. You have to do that, but it's also good to be able to fit in these new cognitive architectures natural receiving. The hybrid environment just see. One of the components that as well as around it will nash solution so You know typical way that a lot of these your ID device or vice from home work, is they? They work with something like Cisco ice or Scout Product where? The. Controlling access to the corporate network and they register these devices, and they start to decide what they want. Allow these devices in based on usage. Well, you know one of the things that's missing from a lot of those type of solutions is the ability to incorporate risks into those, and that's where we come in. You know we believe it's important to make sure that you understand the risk of the device whether the letter attack whatever it is before you let them even if they're. Jimmy user rights device and the vendors out there like I got. GOT ON CISCO for example are very good about working with partners to make sure they had that enrichment of data before long attack up before lobbing somebody acts of the corporate research, so that's become more important over time to be able to to work with those solutions to ensure that not only relating the right people the right devices. You're making sure that the risk is interested in if someone's too high risk or in their infecting already you don't let them so. That's going to be a big part of the or two good first time to defense. preventing malware ransomware from getting inside. The damage. So that's. Interesting how biology and our situation here kind of Mary, each other is. Yeah great terms infected. You know spreading the infection and you know let. In the house. Yeah Yeah you're absolutely right about it. Being pretty analogous to to you know we're. We're seeing in the security will allowing us out of the terms, which is pretty funny. So you know, and and and with that it sounds like this you know as you just said you know not letting into the house and you're identifying this as a port of entry as as a vulnerability, but if if we have readers who have not thought about it in this, we haven't done this before. Is there way for them to test this idea to test? It may be a free trial. Yeah I mean we've got some options to be able to do that. We both free trial. We actually have a healthcare assessment going on around where we are offering you know I. think that the amount that we've allocated annoying dollars. We've allocated amount so that we can go and you know. Be Able to provide free testing services organizations around their abilities. One of things we do as I mentioned, you can also look for specific ransomware, so we have a very strong threat intelligence organization within our company, so we actually. Figured out. With the top. Running around especially thirty healthcare, just trying to help those organizations remark factor. In the security program we can help them determine you know if they have assets that are convertible, those high profile arrangement of a lot of organizations already but also you know by sitting around their network, so we can do those things and try that assessment boom. You know the idea. Is that hopefully they you know really strong report valuable. We do etcetera, but really the hell is help those organizations as their. Bogged down by the stuff so anything, you can come in and do and help them with the personal touch so that they don't have to you know. Have the security teams bogged down, but trying to figure this stuff out with something we can come in. Sense. And again, our our platform us, angels. That we doubted because of how easy it is to start, deploy, you know we feel we can get results for them out. And that's the key is you don't have to set up a POC that lasts a few days to figure this stuff out if we can go in there to their environment up and running monk. You. We figure it's a win. Win For for them. They can go back to really focusing on. You know whenever they have to do to help people the condemning so I'm. going. To Part! Then people can do a free trial wall in their own. A little bit different. But we do have a field trial as well. So never have different choices available now. Essentially, where can we learn more? More our website we've got a lot information and we put out a lot of information even on twitter, cetera about some of the things that we've seen, but also what we've done. you can go to deal defense dot. com know we've got a lot of data. We talk about our with nineteen or sponsored by the. covid nineteen area where we provide you know information research detail you know again. It's not about just a product. It's really about. How do we help the community at large because we do a lot of? Testing services this report, we found a lot of things in the wild to that. Can Customers be more effecting? Some of this stuff, so you know there's an information area dedicating this kind of thing because people in general, so they can go sooner. Upset his well. Sanjay! This is a really interesting topic. And I think it's been great for readers to hear about a- An approach to this I wanna thank you for joining me today and I know we're going to be talking about this again soon, but for now thank you very much. Hope hope it helped.

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Analog Out #44 - Google Stadia, New Zelda 3rd Party Game, "Us" Movie Review, Sekiro Impressions, New Switch Models

Analog Out

1:22:07 hr | 2 years ago

Analog Out #44 - Google Stadia, New Zelda 3rd Party Game, "Us" Movie Review, Sekiro Impressions, New Switch Models

"Tae on analog out. We've got an intendo direct Cup heads come into the switch. We've got new rumored Nintendo switch models. We've got a review of the movie us. Google has got a new game console and more. Check it out. Oh, he smokes where back those and girls? And all you little people around the world who are listening to analog out. We're finally back. I'm here. My name's Pat. I got my co host Bowman here. Hello, everybody. And we've got a special guest all the way from sunny, central Florida. His name's LARs. He's our good friend. How you doing? I'm doing great welcome. Thank you for being with us here on our show. It's pleasure. Is it everything you'd hope for and more the studios very spacious? I really like the setup you guys have here while we got all the like the sound dampening. Wall. I had great snacks and my green room. Okay. It's really a I always green Eminem's for this guy. He's a real prima, Donna. Now, you know, some people have standards and ours is one of those, he puts the highest expectations out of everybody, and everything will, you know, the Greenham Adams, their lime flavored. So are they someone's Jesse told me that recently that they have a different flavor? I don't believe. It's not true. No, not at all chocolate flavored. Yeah. All right. So let's get right into it. Then it's not linger too long putting people to sleep. What do you wanna talk about first bone? There's so much so much here. Why don't we start off with this new console by Google? Tell us about the Google stadia the stadium is not a console. It is a new streaming service from Google. That's right. Never been done before accept multiple on live. So, yeah, it was a the product itself being offered is pretty much everything we expected the conference was strange to say the least, it was is our. It was like my it's like that's shady guy walking around in the finger pointing, and he entrepreneur type guy who's never played a video game in his life, doing a presentation on it. Yeah. I mean, the guy even opens the conference with I'm not much of a gamer, and they it was just strange. They. The. Lots of expected features came from there. You know there one could argue are interesting for the platform we have right now with when it comes to online streaming and all that. Yeah. Because it's Google they own YouTube. So they are trying to integrate a lot with YouTube. There's moments where you can like have share the, the sh a lot, more information will be sharable when you're playing the streaming game. Let's get it out the real quickly. Yes, it is a streaming gaming service. Everyone's aware of that by now at least, but so they just went into not a lot. But what they did go into these small these very random features, within it, some expected some of them just. Why are you showing this to me? Yeah. Well, they focus a lot for some weird reason on, like all the tariff lops, and the beep. Boop bops of the server and south like it feels like they were really trying to appeal to developers mostly for this presentation. Yeah. So large, that you watch it at all. No, I haven't seen now but I know anything about it. I knew it's a streaming service. It's like a browser based. So you would like open up your web browser and you could play then you is the sessions creed game on like you're on like a really crappy laptop or whatever will play theoretically would play fine rights functions. The same way like PlayStation now and all that. I've only heard that assassin's creed was the only game that I heard was announced for right? We'll because they did a beta test for it. Like actually played that how did it run for you? It ran pretty well for me. But I also have fiber internet, so, right? I'm I have. I'm in the top one percent. Scent of people in the world as far as internet speed goes, so I'm not exactly the greatest trial person to go by because the problem with a service like this is the most people in America, don't have good internet, and even more so than your connection speed is going to be your wait and see. So, for instance, like on my fiber, my, my pain is like three four milliseconds and you're going to ways. So. You could double that. So you know, it minimum your button presses in movements and stuff are gonna be eight millisecond second away. And that's if you have really good internet, which most people don't so they talked about that. They're, they're bringing doom attornal to the service and that's like a fast pace. Twitch first-person shooter. I don't see that working. Well, and also people who are at the actual conference. They had it to try their and they were having all kinds of issues at all. Really only at their own conference, arriving tons of issues, and that's clearly like the ideal situation. They made sure there was a good connection and stuff. So I just don't really see I could see a very small audience for it. I can see like. I don't know sixteen year old girl who's not a big gamer, but everyone's talking about that. Hot new fortnight in all of her. Friends are playing or whatever and she doesn't have anything to play it on. And then she can go onto her MAC book or whatever and opened up and play with their friends like something like that, I could maybe see there being a draw to, but as far as, like hardcore gamers and stuff. I don't see. I don't really see it happening now. It's not. I think it's too soon. I don't think the technology's quite there. I think the streaming technologies there, I think that when which, you know, I'm parody enough at a lot of people are saying I've always said, is that the infrastructure is just not there. It's just I. Yeah. Like we have the technology to officially stream in host these games at this point, people don't have great connections. So I don't know. I, I'm still at least open to them to at least attempting it because of anyone's going to be able to at least try it. It's going to be Google new. They have the they have the, the ability to do it, and they can take a loss on, on, on bullshit projects like this, one of the new features of the of that they had that the showed off since it's something that I would ever use. But I could see like kids wanting to do it is, if you're watching, like your favorite streamer, you can go point. Yeah. Well, so if you see like that they just be some plates, on boss fight that will cool or whatever you can just press a button, and it will take you to that exact part of the game though. So you don't even have to. To beat games anymore. Right. You can just say it's not for me, but I could see kids enjoying that the way they portrayed it in their conference. They wanted to have. I it creates more interactions in these streaming services because I think I think the streamer actually has to turn the song where they actually go boom. Here's a share. Come on. Come on. And with me guys. Here's here's his point this game like maybe someone's having problem with what are you guys? How are you guys doing this? And then, like take that perjury. The exact on state of your game, which, you know, I think it's interesting and they all show another aspect of it, where it could be interesting where Pat kind of made a joke about this where you're basically telling Google to play the game for you. But you could be playing the game and go. Hey google. How do I beat this one part, and it'll detect what part you're, you are at, and then it will show someone else the YouTube video real quick 'cause 'cause obviously I've done that with, like certain puzzles, and games where like I can't beat a puzzle is that what was that? Your your phone heard. You say, hey Google. Oh, yeah. I figured that would end up. I made the joke. I was like, hey Google beat this game. So, yeah. So I've done that before where I've scrolls. Her UT video, I just cannot figure out this really weird puzzle and I'm just like forget it. I'm the time for this. I want to go through this, this video and do that. So it's interesting. It's just to me, it was just pieces of things. It was not really like they didn't do anything that really sold me on the service because what they really needed to do to sell me on. It was that in they, they touched upon it for a second was that, even if you have terrible internet, it's still can function. And they kind of like teased on that. And they were like I don't think they know they smoked jargon, and we're just like, yeah, we have powerful enough servers that it won't matter. If you have bad internet, we have, which just isn't the case, because, as they're saying is under fucking YouTube service, my video source buffering. That's that's well. And that's the thing too, is that guys can't handle compress video video streaming. Right now, I don't know how you can handle this gaming service, and they said that four K games, sixty frames. Second would be available on launch, and I just most people can't even like comfortably stream for K movies without looking like crap. So I don't know the conference could generally be summed up with this is how it felt was. Hey guys like games. That's those. They're pretty cool. Right. Basically entire conference was hey, you know you guys like watching games on YouTube and stuff. And you guys like doing like you know game says the there's games out there. They could prove us wrong. But back commerce is rough. And there is another conference coming up in a few months where they're gonna give out the final announcement day and like the lion of games. I don't know. Like the only game they announced the entire conference was doom. Right. Well, I mean again, I really thought this conference was was aimed at developers. I think they have a lot of elders already behind the scenes, and I think this was just them trying to attract all the little guys, try to get them on board. And Dr has tablets service. I don't know LARs. What would it take to get you on board with this service like you, you bought until, like YouTube TV and stuff like that? At one point like what, what would make you go? Yeah. We'll go ahead and give us a shot. I mean probably like which they're probably not going to get but good first party games that other systems might not have. Oh you exclusives. There is talk of that. Like. Like that. Also, if a game comes out for multiple systems as it come out on this service at the same day or is there going to be like, I would imagine. So the way that they made it sound. Yeah. I mean it just seems like if it's done. It's done, and they can put on a service like the problem is that most of America like middle America, Kentucky, in places like that there's people that it takes him a week to download the latest update for for like a game or for their console. Like, that's how bad the internet is there. Well on all over the world to really. Yeah. So that's the issue. I see with it is that they're going to have a hard time getting hold of exclusives for this system because I don't see many developers with a great actual great game wanting to put this thing in a box. And that can, you know, an honest service that people can't use you. Plus, so then they're not selling like they're not making the money off of their discs. They're putting it onto a streaming service. And then how are they going to get money from? After that is Google even going to be paying them, while I'm sure we probably like net flicks where they've just pay them a small amount to have it on their. Yeah. Or you know, or or possibly go who this by the game outright for the service and be like licensed for the service who knows by the games for sixty bucks and put put on service. So I don't know. I mean again I do think there is a place for streaming services. I think that I do think we are eventually pretty soon just going to see them alongside what we have right now. I just don't see it as being like the XBox killer the PlayStation killer. I right now it's just not. Yeah. Well, while we're on the topic of all digital streaming console and XBox killer we have in new XBox coming. Have you heard about this? Yeah. All digital Xbox One s. Yeah. No destructive. No discharge. Basically falls right in line with things. I was just saying we're just it's seems like such a small audience because of the fact that there's people all over the country and world that can't download full games like it just would take too long and also places like Canada they have like data caps. So download red dead redemption to would like take up most of their data cap for the month. True. I just don't think it's there yet. I think there's a market for it. I just again. I just don't think it's the majority, they have to be probably watch leaper than what they're actually, you know, it's a lot. Well, I don't know what they're going to sell it up. But I'm sure it's. Cheaper than the XBox is they offer I would say, otherwise might really a point to make it. Yeah, my guess would be one fifty and that's not cheap enough considering that I'm black Friday. You can get regular Xbox One s for like one, seventy. So I just I ninety nine dollars. I could see it in ninety nine dollars. I could see it ninety nine dollars. I could see someone buying it and getting the game pass or whatever, and you have a very cheap. Xbox with every almost every decent game. It's enticing. It's just that. Again. We just heart back onto that we just like for me. I, I have crappy internet like I get anywhere from like. On a good day. I'll get like v twenty megabits on my on my on my switch. And that's that's awesome. I'm super happy about that. And then Sunday's I get like nine or nine like in and it's just not. That's not enough to stream and granted, that's my fault for having bad internet. But that's the case for many people all your fault. Well, I mean, you do have companies in your area that you could switch to I do. But, you know, we'll see when I when I when I when I move, I do intend on getting fiber. Because in Japan fibers even in rural areas is pretty relatively sessile. So the important thing is getting the good fiber. Right. So have fiber, but the fiber that doesn't go up to a gig or just regular. I'll be happy with, like five hundred or I, I be super stoked to five hundred. I'd be happy with, like one hundred two hundred. Yeah. So. Yeah. I mean it is what it is. That's pretty much feel about these things. I just I just I just feel like the industry is just gearing up for it, but it's just not time yet. So, so at least establish themselves in some way, and survive. Because what I have a feeling that Google only sees big numbers, and with this service, they're gonna they're gonna show we're going back, a stadium of real quick, but like they're going to roll it out. And then as soon as it's not like a blowout success. They're going to abandon it because that's what they do. That's what they do. I'm still waiting on that Google plus two. They get that a for a long time, but they didn't do anything with it. So. All righty, then. Well, while we're on the topic of gaming hardware, we've got a rumored, switch hardware revision, I'm tired of hearing about this thing. But yeah, I mean this is basically this point sought a rumor. I mean, you have the actual manufacturers that are giving these media sites the information. Right. So we don't know the actual specs, but essentially, did you hear about this lore? We got a two different two different gathers to coming, a smaller more. Compact, one someone actually, even said, I think one of these people are stabbed him or is that it actually resembles Vida, really. Yeah. So yeah, the rumor is there. Yeah. Looks as if he does it play. Videogames. So, basically, the rumor is that it yet you have a smaller one that doesn't have disconnected joy cons and than a more powerful one and I don't know if that just means like a better screen or what in my mind and my faster it. Yeah. So of LOP, apparently, it's more in line with, like the new three D S or just probably woes will, but faster something, ideally. It would be almost like a day, one by for me, if it was like a four K. Yep. Switch and nowadays. It's been two years that mobile like tablet technology moves so fast. It was already kind of out, data when this which came out. Right. So to me, chip when it came out. Right. So for me, two years later, I don't think it's that super far fetched for them to be able to do four K switch. I don't think that's what they're gonna do. Because intendo and they just don't ever care about cutting edge technology. Right. They like making money off their hardware. Yeah. So they're going to incrementally upgrade it to the point, where if you already have a switch. It's probably not worth it for you to buy it and, and they're gonna be making probably a hundred dollars a unit off of it. And that's how they'll do it. Yeah. So which of these appeal to you. I mean the obvious for me is the portable one. I've, I've been saying this for a long time, I've said this in previous episodes where this, I love the switch so much. But when it comes to the reason, I still actively really one. I am a place. It can be a fan boy. And I play a lot. But also, I like taking it with me on trips just because it is it is a portable I can put it in my pocket. And it's hassle-free switch. I gotta have like a backpack or a bag with me to really take it around. And the thing is with the portable one. I've been hearing people talk about, and they're like, well, maybe it wouldn't have the console feature and it's just to me. All right. Well, then it's not a switch anymore. That's stupid dumb. So for me the portable would be would be a no brainer. I would absolutely buy it would be. I would I would never touch it if they decided to make exclusively portable. So would you sell your other one than I really don't know because I if like game style had, like a because they usually have. Like those trading specials when things like that come out and I, I would possibly bite on it, but even then though I do, like the, the tangible joy cons in my original model. Yeah. Right. I'm curious how they could keep the console version of it with the portable, if you can't take joy cons off. How are you supposed to play it? What do you mean? Like. Bought it for my kid and it was. By control or control or whatever. But that point, it's almost going to be the same price as getting just a switch to see I think it's going to be very odd in terms of just design because it basically these rumors just kinda counteract everything that intend to did. When they made this console. I don't know how Nintendo will treat it. They like to be consistent, when it comes to this stuff like, so I'm not an I'm not entirely. Sure. It's, it's, it's a it's a very strange hardware rumor and. Yeah. For me. But for me to, to buy it was the obvious choice to be portable, and the portable one would be fine for me as long as it was still function as a console. That's pretty much where I'm out with it. And let me let me have my platoon save data on that console as well in that let me lose it. I think at that point, you'd have to do one of those like system transfers. Yeah. Because, you know, right now, you can't clouds saving was tuned. Well, what do you need that for anyway? What do you mean? Was there points and online game you don't need to save? I mean I have single player data truth is in the pudding. And, you know, I ranked up and said, all those hours ranking up and everything all that will be gone, right? But think of all the fun, you'll have getting back ranked up. I may be fun to play with play with newbies again. Breeze through it a little bit. But even then, so. Yeah. Whatever I want my safe data. Anyway. So I guess the obvious choice for you is the pro. I mean I, I don't think so. I don't think so at all your, your choice. I don't think that the pro will I didn't buy the new three D S model until it was like ninety dollars ninety nine dollars on black Friday or whatever it just it was so incremental and seem so unnecessary that even me someone who is like an earlier doctor of these things didn't ever feel the need to get it. That's how I imagine. The switch pros gotta be worth just like has an hour or more battery life and load smash brothers five percent faster, but it's an animal crossing variance that I'm gonna buy it. That's relevant to the model. I if I was going to have to buy one probably be the portable one, but my concern is if the joy cons are not detachable, then what you end up with is because when I, I've taken my switch in my pocket before and I just took the joy cons off and put them in a different pocket. So if you and it was still barely portable. It's still barely fit in my pockets of tablets huge. My thought is if the joy cons don't detach where you're going to end up with his device, that's probably still the same size as the not very portable tablet. Well, but, but what if it was like the size of a PlayStation vita the I don't consider here's the problem. These are expensive piece of hardware, that are usually specially the switch kind of fragile like the screen sucks. There's like plastic scratches easily the Vitas same thing. It's all one solid class front plate. So you don't wanna like scratch you. Up. So what you end up doing is you put it in a case and stuff anyway. And then next thing you know, it's not portable you could still doesn't fit in your pocket the veto. I don't ever. I don't consider the view that portable. I never just stick it in my pocket and go. Ed never I would never do that because I'd be worried that the, the screen will scratch or get cracked or the stick will get stuck on something and get messed up or whatever the analog stick like you want to switch micro. Yes. Seriously? I mean if you could get me a if you like I would take I would be happy with a switch the size of the bottom half of the three. D S. So if you took off the top screen on three D S, that is like the size that I would, I would be okay with that way. It's small enough that I can still put it in like a sleeve and fit in my pocket. Yeah. That'll be nice. Yeah. I mean, anything even closely resembling the size of what it is now is not portable for me. And this has been a problem with gaming portable game for longtime where it's just progressively gun bigger and bigger, and bigger, and not even portable portable gaming, but cell phones and stuff to just enormous right? Yeah. But even back then gaming, like probably the, the more portable consuls even care where like the Game Boy pocket and stuff like that. And obviously getting my micro before that was original game with his gigantic the game gigantic all portables were gigantic. Yeah. But that was ninety where it was cool, if you had a portable giant TV thing. Carry around here, you'll to put, like, d batteries in those things. Yeah. Carry the game gear on and have that active. You know, none of the extra battery pack you can put on your belt. Oh, yeah. I have the yeah it's but it, it, it actually like screws into the game gear though, on the back if you doesn't really. Yeah, wow. There's actually refurbishment options on like EBay now. You can send your battery pack to go get refurbishing, get replaced, the batteries or whatever inside. I wonder if it's literally just like AA rechargeable, batteries that are in there, you could just do it yourself, anyway. Yeah. So it's far as portability goes, it's I don't know. I would be I would love like a, a switch micro that would probably be Dave. Just like we're like kids in the playground with that kind of conversation like it's not gonna happen. I just imagined trying to play like new like first person shooters and stuff on that lane of micro. That's why said like the DS half of the D S or whatever try to play octopus traveler and you're like reading the tiny, little fine print. How do you feel about these models? I would I would get the pro model if there's like a big enough difference that I would be interested in it. You know, if it's like you said, where it's like, oh, four more hours of battery, you know. You know, I'm not gonna go out of my way to buy it just for a little bit more battery I can buy a portable battery at that point just recharge it. What if it comes with a flashlight whole then that's day one. Yeah. I mean that lines up with antenna stance. On there on the on their anime games and all that stuff. So sure, yeah, let's cut that out bringing to. It's it's compatible with peach ball coming peach peach lash. Yeah. So all right. Well, I, I mean, I would love of like four K pro which would be great. I think if they really want to get people that already own a switch to buy it. That's what they should do is something that's sizable, because that's their plan allegedly is they want something. That's get a that's why they're releasing two things. They want the lower end audience who doesn't want to spend three hundred dollars on a console but might spend hundred fifty two hundred and then they want people who've already bought switch to buy another one, and for me 'cause like I bought a PS four pro and not till way later, no, not till way, relate, or because I didn't have like a four K TV or anything. But now that I do if they were 'cause most of the switch games are, are like seven twenty p as well. So honestly, if they. Were released like a four K switch, where could do up to four K, but even most of the games were upscale to like fourteen forty p or something. That's still, you know, desirable to me and the games can do it. I mean, there's been people playing breath of the wild on emulators and four K for a long time. Yeah. So, yeah, I guess this surprised me is that they would it just doesn't seem like them to release. Both these models at the same time is my thing, there's no reason not to I mean it's I, I think there's I you could argue there's a reason to do it just just to get more sales like to attract those crate, because they tend to loved preying on those people who got to have that, like the next iteration of, of their whatever console. Yeah, I'm surprised they wouldn't release them separately. Well, I mean long story short. You know if there's a animal crossing model I'm there. All right. Well, didn't when they came out with, like the three D Esa excelled in two DS, KOMO and around the same time. No, you're thinking of when the new three DS came out. They had they had. They will know they had a new three DSL and then they had the regular new three DSO's came out kind of around the same ballpark area. And then to came out a little bit later than that two years was just like something that came out of nowhere the cake slice yet, but just the, like the those rumors of the two different Simpson systems, just reminds me of like that whole. Yeah. So that's why all this stuff is insanity because then tend to make so many models for the portable devices. They love it. They like because they make as I said, they, they like making money on hardware. So all right. It's all moving on. We had an intendo direct class week. I forgot about that. Yeah. How what was your what was your feelings on the Nintendo direct? Why don't you run us through it blew their load really quickly? Yeah. Yeah. For sure. They, they blew it by. They were supposed to save it for the old one. More thing in. They went, oh, it would have been amazing. One more thing moment. Yeah. But anyways, regardless of how they presented it. They ride away opened up with a strange trailer of a man talking like in black and white and it turned into a Cup had trailer right away. At most people call it called it when it was happening. But yes Cup was highly rumored for the switch and is actually happening Microsoft and Nintendo role seventeenth coming together and a Cup had shaped form on the Nintendo's, which April eighteenth, I believe something like that. So yeah I mean I play Cup head when it came out. I love the game and hate the game like everybody else does. And when I was playing when this, which came out I, I mean it's we always make that job. Everyone makes a joke is perfect for the switch, but. I right away was man, I really wish that this wasn't an XBox exclusive because I would, I would love the play this thing on portable, and it's getting a physical release. Yes, it will once the all want all the DNC is finished XBox, and switch will get a physical release. They haven't like tweeted or anything. But in a message form. They like, basically answered that question. Yeah. What else did they announce? That's, that's the thing when I mean, when it blew their low, because like your entire all the rest of the presentation was that. So it was a lot of, you know, your standard form of, of array of. Yeah. A lot of rogue. Rogue games and all that stuff. There was one that piqued my interest, which is, basically like got what's the name of it? What you're a basically, an Uber driver sky room. You're basically an Uber driver. I saw that driver and like the in in the future. Reminded me of Valhalla. Yeah. And. I'm trying to look look at upright. Now Looper driver from the future. So robot. Or just its Neo cab. It's a cyberpunk venture like visual novel game where you're, you're, you're, you're a, a Uber driver basically Neo cab. Yeah. So that one looked interesting to me and the big, we're not going to go. This is not a Nintendo direct episode. But at the end of it, they announced which was, like, apparently, a big deal. I don't think it's that big of a deal. Is that crypt of the neck growed? That's nicorettes big deal. Krista decker dance you know, protective, they are their franchises thing about the last time they let someone make Zelda game. I don't consider zella game is considering that it's this game featuring Zelda character. But it takes place in the Zelda world. Yeah, it's like Zelda. Spinoff, it's like link as bro trae. I mean, whatever we have we have star FOX, and that stupid ploy pilot thing going on. And we and we this is an actual good game. Right. No. It's, it's good news. I'm just saying that like it's not like groundbreaking stuff in my opinion. That's all, but crypt of the Neckar dancer, which is a pretty popular. Indie game. The came out where it's basically like a dungeon crawler game. But it you have you heard of this game at all. Lars it's the play KOMO rhythm game yet to play completely in rhythm. So all your movements you're doing go along to the music. So if you want whenever you move, and when we had an enemy you got do it with the beat. Yeah, I have seen data hit that beat. So I played it for like, ten fifteen minutes because because it went on sale recently, and I pop didn't real quick, just to try it out. But yeah, it's interesting. I've, I've always, I've been wanting to try ever since I learn. About it. But there are releasing the sequel will take place Zelda world, and you can be Ling hand Zelda. Yeah. So it's, it's great news. It's, it's a real. I'm not trying to downplay it too much. I just think that people why do you hate cell? The I love Zelda. I'm playing when waker right now. How you like in that? Good. Yeah. Yeah. It's fun. It's pretty chill. I'm relaxing, like yeah. It's good. So your life, sim feels like real life go boating. And just to hang out on the water. I like it. Well, unfortunately, that's just about all there is to mention about the Nintendo. I mean yeah. I mean, it's, it's the, they're very clear about the Indies direct, and like they're just promoting the, the, the Noonan Indies coming out and a lot of them are good. And the but the thing with indie games on the Nintendo switches, that there's a lot of them and it's hard I feel badly injured Avella pers- because there's probably some real jam is among these, these trailers hidden gems. Yeah. But the but the but the issue is indie games is that there's just. So many of them. And you have no idea what to pick. And, and a lot of them looked the same too. So, I think people that's why a lot of these in thing I feel like a lot of them really have to stand out these days to make wanna like by their game, which is that Neo cab was the only one for me because I like visual novels and it stuck out, and I thought that's really interesting. You can be an Uber driver, and you get like the rating system and stuff along with it, and it's like a new or story and all that. So I'm interested in that one. But was there anything else in these like detective one looked interesting? Which one was that when remind me gets framed or something, he, like gets a call for someone like calls them over to a house. He's like a beat cop. Oh, okay. And then he, he goes in, and then, like, someone like kills somebody in runs out and he gets framed for game that look like. I don't think we saw game play of it. No. Three trailer. They used just called beat cop or something. Yes, I do. I recall that one now. So that will interesting to me. So, yeah, I mean, again, I'll say it again. And again, I mean I it's becoming he just making noise phone now, this is what the podcast. That's what's happening. Is that been in tennis, which is a great platform for any games? Evita was a great platform for any games. So I'm always on. I play a lot more any games than I ever did in the past. Although many on the switch. Yeah. I mean like like my past like if you games that I've beaten our indie games. Well, just just in breaking news. What's the break super smash brothers ultimate joker leaked thanks to best buy blunder? Oh boy. Oh, US retailer best buys accidentally leaked jokers render for upcoming super smash brothers ultimate. I mean, I mean cool debts the extent there, I thought, what does he look lying because you joker joker? Hey, kind of looks like joker. Persona five actually leaked render when they released the game. Speaking persona. We just saw persona the horror movie spooky so spooky. So I within the Nardin Indies the utilise about what she thought we saw a movie today. It was called us a we saw us, by the old Jordan Peele. And well set aside fifteen minutes next, fifteen minutes will be spoiler are we timing this, so I so that we know. So I know I guess I just edit in spoilers skip to this time and post. All right. Don't worry about skipping anytime. I'll tell I'll insert that right here skimp fifty three minutes to void spoilers for us. All right, LARs. Tell us about us, would you think of it? How was it? I thought it was. All right. Not as good as get out. But and like you were saying was a little bit slow at times kinda kinda yon in there in receipt, especially with. Nice fancy recliners, ma'am. I was getting real sleeping. Right me, too. The music was good. It was suspenseful, the acting was pretty good really loved him, height occur, definitely sold show. Really was great. We love him so much. So it's yeah. I understand why join peel Sodom out specifically because he fit that role perfectly. He did. Yeah. Yeah. So that it that's. I thought get out was definitely like a lot deeper. Well, let's yes. Let's rule out get out. I mean what else I'm supposed to bear to compared to anything to say? Is it a good movie or not like wha-? What did you like about what you just like? Well, it was kind of boring, but. I my I heard this complaint before going into it, and I definitely understand it now is leaned over bowling, like five minutes in, and I told them about complain that I heard and said, I already saw why? And it's that the movies very much like style over substance, unless you didn't whisper that to me, I'm like let me just with raw like nothing I liked I walked into knowing nothing. Well, that's all I just saw trailer in the night heard that, and I didn't pay any attention to it because I think I wanna say that Cody was the one who said that to me, and he tries to be contrarian to everything that's popular. So I didn't take it seriously. He liked them. Oh, but then five minutes in literally nothing had happened. And it was a lot of just. Cool shots with music behind them. And I'm like, okay, so what's your overall take away using I could see where he say style over? Well, it's not even just the music. It was the Senator was great and stuff to and my. So my, my opinion, the movie was it was. I didn't find it that interesting. The twist was awful because it was very predictable. Five less than five minutes into the movie. Yeah. And it wasn't like I was trying to try hard milk. I'm gonna get to the bottom of this twist and figure it out. I knew it. No, it was. Yeah. Immediately. It was super obvious. Like I don't understand how that was supposed to be twist because if you have a small even semis if you paid. I figure out what was happening in a few minutes of the movie starring. Yeah. Like, okay. Yeah. So that there was that, and then my complaint was that, by the time that the bad guy show up, you don't like it's, it's I don't know if they just didn't do a good job at developing the characters, or we didn't spend enough time with them. A definitely didn't help that none of them spoke except for the dad liking the data lot. Yeah. And he was awesome. Yeah. So the dad was the only white bull care to really. I mean, I can't you can't really fault the kids, 'cause they're just kids, but the mom, basically doesn't speak. And then when she does speak, she's just kind of a bitch, or just like a prude and doesn't, you know, not relatable at all the girl had, like nothing. You gotta grow never talk. She said. Copy paste teenager, girl. Right. She's on her phone, the whole time. So and then the kid didn't speak. He was like weird or something that lighter the whole time. Right. Magic trick. It was just a lighter. I was trying to figure that how it hits the thing I was, I'm like, that's I'm like, is that just a, a liar with the top ripped off of it? It's just like fuel like ring lighter. Yeah. I, I was like, is that just a lighter thing with Flint? I don't know. He was constantly playing with it and flicking it. Yeah. So. Style over substance. I think would be my, my. My basic feelings about it. It just so by the time that the bad people show up. I just I didn't feel any suspense because. They. Board me into a stupor this point. And when they actually do show up, it's not like first of all, then tire seen basically that entire like whole stretch of them in the house with them was all in the trailer. So I'm just like okay this is from the trailer and I don't I just didn't care about I didn't care about the characters really cared about the dad, but aside from that. There's no suspense. I'm just like okay, well, you know, obviously, this isn't the climax of the movie because we've only been here for twenty minutes or whatever. So where's this going to go and it drags on for really long time of just the d'appel, gang chasing each individual family member around for an extended period of time only for them to get back to where they were twenty minutes or thirty minutes prior? Which is okay? We're all back together. Now. Now and they're still after us. Yeah. I thought it was also weird that everybody else that died in that movie like nobody cared. They just walked up and killed him when scissors there was no like, right? There wasn't explanation for that. I like those character like she wanted she had a personal than like, like, specifically said that she was going to say slow. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, like they showed the, the news footage and those people weren't like going after their. Doubles or whatever they were just wall because she has data. Yeah. They, they had the data though, like it was, it was clear, why not super clear. But, like, I think that's the reason why they did that it wasn't made super clear, and honestly, the coolest part of the movie was the part that they didn't touch on at all. Which is what is the facility. What's happening? How do these people get here? Like I mentioned earlier I wish no not at all. And that was more way, more interesting than, oh, they're just terrorizing this family. It was like less than two lines of dialogue as to why the area was created and like, right. Oh. And then they're like, yeah. It's all you're gonna give me on that. Because I don't know it's kind of interesting, like somebody made it, and then they lift, how long has it been made for women's this made why they imply that it was like the government making government people are some they set. I guess they implied that the government was going to use this program to control people on top that the bottom would be controlling, but ended up not working and sounds like that maybe ended the project. Yeah, there should have been a cause they spent more than enough time with the doll gang versus the family, the final act should have been the finding secret silly, and there's like a mean old white guy, who's in charge of the science, you know, division or whatever. And they could find some documents or something. Sure, anything, you know, like I'm thinking, like the end of cabin in the woods. Right. Right. So you have to acts of them being terrorized by monsters, and then the final, oh, turns out that these are the real. Bad guys are whatever government, it had that feeling for a minute. Right. She was like going down the escalator and stuff. But then after that it was just moments weird is that only out of all this time all they had to do is walk around the corner to exit this place. No, the escalator only goes down. Yeah. So that's all that was keeping them in was that the escalator escalator that goes down. Yeah. So what'd you guys like about this movie? What did what did what did you like about it, Pat? I mean it was shot really? Well, yeah, it's really cool to look at. Yeah. The music was done really. Well, really liked the opening scene with the girl in the in the knowledge, really cool. Yeah, just everything about that. Everything about that sequence. I really liked a lot. And I was like Ben, if the rest of the movies like this. That's what I was thinking. I was actually kind of an it and the beginning. For me. I like the idea that he had for the film because I'm always welcoming new original hormone because they don't get those they just don't happen. And I liked the idea. I thought this was like, once it became clear, what was really happening with all the clones, once we saw, especially the whole family, but even like the Tim. Hi, decker clone like oh, it's not just her family. It's everywhere. And I liked it. I'm like, this is kind of interesting. And I like like we said earlier, the only issue with that was that we didn't just unfold a little bit more of it, because there's no no matter she think about it, 'cause they don't expand on. It's just like how did they get these clones of people like what, what, what is it? Yes. Happening here. Yeah. So every horror movie, the villain, hash to be explained in some way, even. Like cheesy be like slasher movies, like fry thirteenth. Explain the motivation, and what's going on where the the villain comes from, and this is just like their creepy. Yeah. They're here. They're us. Yeah. I mean for me, there was a lot of really cool shots. I mean especially the scene, where we see the underground and we see how it relates to the above. I think you made a good point. How they basically they cut back and forth, too much with that. But overall. That was that was neat. Yeah, I liked it. And the everybody everybody's acting was on point like they got a good cast together. Like, I, I had no issue with anybody in that movie of than the other than like you said the me the characters weren't great. I thought the main character which was awful. I thought she was. Yeah, but I wasn't her acting. That was exactly know awesome. It should act twice. Play two different cares. Both of which were great. But I thought the way characters were written was terrible. Right. She was one of the least likable, main characters of a movie I've seen in a long time where two point two in the final act. She just does the dumbest things over and over again it's just like they finally get in a car and escape, and she's now pulling over to the side of the road to constantly kill these, right? Clones and it's like what are you doing? Got like kids in the car and stuff. Just go like why? And then that's our son gets kidnapped is because she just has to get out of the car, and go after this kid. It's like what what's happening right, unlike? So, so in the span of this movie you were in the first act weird not talking to people in being kind of a bitch to your husband, and then second act you just cry the whole time, which is fine. I mean, whatever you being. By ghouls and ghosts. Still being a bitch to your husband. And oh yeah. And then there's a few scenes where she just like tells shut up and do what she says, and then in the third act, she turns into psycho killer starts, pulling over with her family in the car, and putting everyone in danger because she has to murder these people these clones with the same weapon that she took from the first house, which wasn't even very good firepower Chris poker. So I just that's part of maybe that's why the movie didn't really sit well with me is because the character that you're supposed to care about most about, I'm like, I disliked her, and she was just constantly doing things like what are you doing? Yeah. Up. But it was really the bad guy the whole time. Well, and that's just it. Yeah. That must have been. That's the big twist is that it turns out that she was adopted ganger that switch places with her main self years ago. Which is what we figured out in the opening scene was neat. I mean like it was neat seeing the reasons for all things like, oh, why is everyone else grunt? And she can enter, and she can speak and washer, speaking messed up because she lived underground as she lived underground forever. I always interpreted, as because she like fucked up throat. Why would you say how why because she chokes her out, you think that's why? Yeah. Oh, really? I guess that could be why Lester. Yeah. Here I guess that could be why I guess I wasn't thinking about. And I just thought, oh, you being underground that long, not show, not talking to anybody. Maybe would sound like that. She was a little girl and got choked hard enough to just go and conscious. So, right. Yeah. I see that either way that's either either option is fine. But yeah, I just didn't really I guess it was the main character. But when it didn't really it was fine for watch. I didn't hate it. But I think like I said earlier, I don't picture myself watching it ever again. No, I, I might watch it one more time like it's like dislike have on the background or something like that. But I for me, I, I recommend this movie. Anybody curious about new horror films? So I definitely recommend recommend it. But might not I'm not giving you a glowing review recommendation or anything like that. But there's a nice interesting original horror movie with pretty cool. Cinematography it just needed a lot more flushing out. That's really the only thing that will all the all the ingredients were there. Yeah, exactly. There was a fantastic movie recipe book, basically made and they just didn't prepare it. Right. Completely. Right. I mean, if you're a horror fan, then either go see this or go see fifty other read. That's what I mean. Like four movie fans, there's not much to see these days. And. I, I love horror movies, and I'm like, whoa. It follows came out. I wanted to see that because I'm like, oh, my God. This is something core movie core movie. This not just slasher popping out how Louis rip off it's been done fifty billion times. Now I thought that this was I thought the movie was fine. It just didn't it just didn't hit hit for me. But I hope that Jordan Peele keeps making core movies in all keep going to see them. I like to get out, and like I said, the, the ingredients there just wasn't for me. But, you know, I'm glad that I'm glad that it did. Well, yeah. So, yeah, he definitely has fresh ideas for right? And, you know, I'm not gonna like every idea. But keep them common. Fresh core ideas. It's you know, I'm looking forward to twilight zone on Monday. Yeah. I mean, like I like like you talked about earlier, and I for he has peaked my interest more with what he has. I think he's got a lot of potential. I really do. I think he could come out with a really smash it again down the road you really. Uh-huh. All right. Well, I've been playing a game that give short review of. Chucky cheese party game Chuckie cheese is what is the full title? Bowman Chucky cheese. We look. No, it's I don't know. We love Chuck security. Check achieve care. They miss out on a real. Yeah. They missed that. Secure shadows die twice. Oh that's that new ninja guide in dark souls game that is that new ninja Guidon dark souls game. So I'm a big dark souls nut. They call souls heads do they and been a fan of the since demon souls. He's got dark souls shirt on right now. Everybody that's true. I do have a dark, souls shirt on salute the sun. Yeah. So. Yeah, I love the souls games played Baud born liked it a lot. And I was looking real forward to this, this new one say entry, but new game from the creator's very similar style and Saint people, dark souls. Yeah. Same team. Same directors rights. You don't know literally no nothing about this game. Besides that I see it pop up on YouTube of people. Yeah. It's, it's essentially dark souls games like you know what bloodborne is too dark souls. But instead, not in a gothic setting in this more like ninja base in takes place in Japan. So I really like I was really look forward to this game really excited for God at the day came out played it a bit. And I don't like this game. And it's rather unfortunate because I spent sixty dollars on it. I have like I said, I've been a big dark souls fan and for me I, I mean you guys have known for a long time. I've never strayed away from hard games. I enjoy them quite a bit. But it's I, I mean, I guess you, you hit the nail on the head a few minutes ago. You you call the ninja guiding game. I don't like I played, I played ninja guiding the, the reboot black or whatever. Yeah. I didn't like that one either and I forgive reasons I didn't like ninja guy in black because I don't know if you guys played it or remember, but like the camera was terrible and your constantly like being shot with arrows and stuff from offscreen. You can't even see or camera flip around while you're in the middle of a fight, and you just lose where the enemy is. And then you get killed in one hit or whatever that's why hated ninja guy. In black. But this is a little different. I felt like for me. It was I, I don't know if it's was rushed or just half asked. Or what but for me, one of the charms of dark souls, is that there's so many different ways to approach a challenge, whether it be all right. Well, this guy's like kicking my ass up close, like me hit him with poison arrows from faraway dwindle down before I go and challenge him or. Oh, you know, I'm I'm fine myself to slow. Let me take off all this armor, and, like make myself really white. So I can be more nimble and you know chop away, and I'm like that, or you can use magic or if you have a priest character you miracles. So there's so many different ways to play it so many different. Look, an insane amount of different sets of gear armor, sets and things like that. This game has none of that. It is at its core like a dark souls style game. But it you only have one weapon, and you can't change. There's no loot. No gear you can't change anything about the way that you have to play the game. They just very much say this is what we want you to do. And that's how you have to do it. The problem for me is that there the way that they the way that the gameplay works is, like, the, the, the style play dark souls, that I never use and don't like it. The least in that's like a heavy dexterity build, with like in, like pairing lot. That's all you do is. Hugh, go up to an enemy in their face. You're not in. You're not encouraged to like, dodge or, or, you know, play it safe. You're supposed to just get up an enemy's face in basically, mashed the shit out of the attack button on them. And then when they go to tacky back, you Perry in block, and it gets kind of it gets old. Pretty pretty early on I gave this game a good long chance from what I've read what people told me about halfway through the game. So it's not like I just played a little bit of it and gave up about halfway through the game. And I just am not having fun with it. I've pretty common occurrence in. It's not just me from what I've talked to other people have played it. The bosses are littered all over the map to the point where they're like every five minutes, there's a boss, and it's pretty common for you to get stuck for like, well over an hour. Every. Boss. So it's the way I've described as like you're climbing a mountain to get to the base of another mountain. And there's no there's no white at the end of the tunnel. So I find in this is so to give you an idea. This is like a little stretch of again of the game for me. I got to a boss. Fodder for a little while. He was actually I beat him pretty quickly twenty thirty minutes. That's pretty quickly beat him then like less than five minutes up the road, another boss, that I was stuck on for over an hour in then. So I beat the guy go up the road a little bit. It makes a couple minutes of progress in, then I'm stuck for another hour and a half beat that boss, then I have three different paths to go down. Each path has a boss in the next couple of minutes. Get stuck there for an hour. So it's just constantly like a slog of okay? I'm fighting this boss for an hour and a half beat him immediately afterwards. Finding another boss for an hour and a half. And unlike dark souls, there's no feeling of accomplishment or ward when you beat them, because like I said, there's no like. Lou or anything. Yeah. There's no loot. There's no gear years. No. Like there's no feeling of compliment also. Because when I get stuck on a boss, I can't go home. This isn't working women. Trying in us like a bow or something instead, like a you, you know, or let me get up real close to him and, like dodge around him. No, there's just one way. You're supposed to play the game every boss has like a rhythm to it. So essentially, you go up into a bosses face and you're mashing the attack button, and like one boss, for instance, I fought, I found that if we clash swords twice then he hit he goes in hits me for third time. And that's when you block Perry. So the entire fight once you figure it out, you just run right up to his face, and it's attack attack block attack attack blocks. It's like a rhythm game. Almost every boss, has, like a, a rhythm link that and. And it's like Necker dancer, here yet, but there's no it's not refined. There's no benefit to doing to not just mashing the button. And there's also when you're deflecting there's a block button. And then you tap it to deflect but you could just tap, the block button, deflected anyway. Anyway. So I just feel like I'm pretty disappointed. I gave it a old college try in. It's not a lot of people like will mock you get good. But the problem is that I've passed their half of the game. So it's not a matter of I can't play at just I, I found myself when I've got to the halfway point, and I made some decent progress killed a bunch of enemies easily in a couple bosses. And I was like, all right. Well, when awhile without dying, and I had I came to fork in the road in my only thought was man, I wish just game was done. Like I didn't enjoy it at all. I did not want to play. And I think that's the moment when I was like, man, I wish I was done with this game. That's what I was, like my playing this. Yeah. So are you even like leveling up getting new bills get some new abilities? But they're, they're it's not a lot to it. Right. It's like now you can have three hit commune said of to hit combo. Yeah. Or just you can only have one quipped at a time to so it's like there's like a spinning one where you, you know, spend and hit them twice instead of once with your attack, or whatever things like that. Overall? I feel like there's definitely a good audience for oh. And another big thing is that the stealth in this game is basically broken, it doesn't work well at all. And if it was I've, I like to just say, I feel like the, the studio was afraid to really do their own thing. They're like they were beholden to the souls, fans and didn't wanna do straight too much from it, because friend, rich, Mike basically made the point I -gree with him, which is it should have just been like a linear story driven game. That's like heavily based on our like the ninja tune stuff like it was originally conceived as attention game. And it would have been a lot better had. They focused more on the stealth and stuff. But instead, it's literally just a dark souls game in the same sense of the open world, and everything but. But it's but in courage, you not to it almost like confuses you in a lie. So anyway, I just I feel like it would have been better if they done they're done like a more unique thing instead of just making a what is essentially a watered-down dark souls because it's it's the same engine it's the same style game. But you can only play at one way. And that's never been the drop dark souls. Right. So. Yeah. All right. You're anything out of that moment. Sorry man. Sorry, I didn't like the game. Cool. I have no interest in it. No. Now, ninja games high do. But I just realistically I looked at this game. And just one of those big game for I'm just like realistically, I'm probably never gonna play this. It's not a big game. That's actually one of my problems with a is as in big AAA games. So never really piqued my interest at all. This is shame little not this one, because I didn't like it either. Yeah. Well, I'm glad I wasn't interested worked out. But you should definitely try out little dark souls, sometime. I will some that game someday. What even plane recently? Well, I as I said earlier, playing wind waker I finished. I kinda I kinda class. Okay. So what you've been playing for the last five podcast. I know but I want to quickly say my final thoughts in that game. He was awesome, cool. I really want. I really recommend people to play it. It was just a heavy story driven, who's somebody metro metro Vania games out there. Now these days every indie game I feel like every other into games like metro area. Metro metro video rogue like rogue leg toward Vania rogue like. Yeah. This game's story and characters are really cool. The the it was created by one man. It took them like six or seven years to make this game. Did he on man code at all? He did absolutely everything dream story. Heritz yours, everything it was was was him. So it was it's really impressive for what it is. And I highly recommend it was a free PS plus game would you month? Okay. I guess I'm dealt my opinion this game. I'm listening serious question. Now I wouldn't marry it would you marry him? Mary. I don't know. I, I'd have to know that a little better. I'm impressed with his work. I don't know him as a person. So where can we find this game? It's on PlayStation four PlayStation vita switch, and PC and XBox. I believe Xbox One it's it's an indie game version limited on did do it. It's done switch. They did switch. Thirty five bucks on ED's going up for like fifth like sixty seventy right now. I gotta wait on it. We'd on it. But yeah, it's fantastic. And I highly recommend it like it even had like I guess we could bridge into a topic possibly is that the I really felt bad for a lot of characters the, the whole story without giving away too way. It's a lot of religious undertones, but it's not preachy and it's just more. So just thinking about other people's perspect- perspectives, and why they think the way they do about certain things. So in that case, I ended up feeling really bad for like one of the villains and you fight on multiple times. It's really epic. Final boss fight with this person. They have three forms and it's a really emotional like there's like like I love when like boss fights really, really emotional. And they have dialogue during it like, you know, the boss is like talking to you, like it's like no Ghorashal was awesome for that stands. It makes it really like cinematic and everything. So I guess. I'll end that with the recommendation, but also bridge into the topic that do you guys have any like, favorite emotional boss fights in video games. Something to victim three. Yeah, I hear that's a pretty crazy boss fight like I never played ogre solid three. But, like there's a carriage you get pretty tach tune. You have to kill his person his mentor. Yeah. It's like a woman that he loves. Yeah. So, yeah, that's a good one. Any for you? Can't really think of any new LARs isn't becames. Never gets that. Spiderman over me. It's the obvious ones are earthbound MO three. Both have pretty emotional boss, fights, mother. Three is insane. I'm not gonna spoil it, but it's something you see coming, but, like, the it's, it's pretty crazy. Like I'll, I'll be honest. I was a little baby. Boy, in, like definitely teared up during that boss fight. Really? There's some like this new crowns game, the head pretty nice boss fight. Pretty emotional. It really reveal a lot about the character. Revealed. So no, I really liked that. Like I'm really big on story and video games, regardless of the type of video game. It is. I really like when a story is heavily developed and characters are heavily developed to the point where even if you're not necessarily liking the game play, you're you still want continue. Yeah. See for me. It's not like that. No story for me in a game is a is a bonus like if it has good store. Good. If it has garbage store in, like whatever songs the game is good. If a game is bad, and it has good story. I can't get the balance to it. Like I personally loved gravity. Rush won a lot reluctant. And I played grab yours, too, and I really, really want. It's like this game I'm still like kind of, like you it scheme, you just recently, I still. Kind of not satisfied how this abandoned it because I really liked the first one, and I liked the characters in the story. But like the game play was just so boring with open world aspect. They tried to put into it couldn't, so there's a balance to it for sure story. Can't save the entire game for me. I do when they change games like that, from the first and second, where they just add like throw something in your like, why did you do that? It was so fun. I'm not opposed to it. It's just sometimes you, you miss. Yeah. Started valley to you have to commute into the city in work office job during the week. I'm sold a prequel has original ones that afford. The can't afford to keep the farm up just to go in go back to his office job, that he quit in the first one is just go get a job at Joe mart stocking the shelves. Yeah. Stock shelf stocking mini game where you just click on them put the serial the Joe. Cole is, hey, it's got a good story. I'm into it. So you said you've been point Spiderman, I haven't played it recently. Since we really got into star valley recently, but yeah. Probably I think a little bit more than halfway through it. I like it a lot valiant switch or yes. Thanks for the invite. No problem. I gotta with. So what do you think inspire? -ment. I really like it but I like games like that a lot. It reminds me a lot of infamous which I loved, that's here. Yeah. I could see that. And I mean it's pretty much, you know, open world run around collectibles you favorite type my favorite, I love open world collectible games. Yep. You get to this wing around, Spiderman, and people up. So that's pretty fun. Bolan likes those games too, on the stealth isn't too bad. They use it a lot. But can you drive a car? No. You can stand on top of a car. Okay. That's that's about. All you can do with the car. They should make Spiderman game. That's like grand theft auto where like you can just do whatever you want, and the more bad stuff. You do your suit turns black like infamous. Like spider, man. I mean, but the there's none of infamous you can't steal car Nike. You can blow him up and stuff. Yeah. I don't even think you can blow up cars in this. I played infamous I got bored of it like third of the way through are usually get bored of those types of games. Did you play that game infamous no superhero game not into that usually no? Yes. Open world game dots on a map that there's people there's an audience for those games. And I'm just I'm just not here. He is. Yeah. There you are right here. I'm playing I started early. But yeah, I am playing legend his other wind waker about five hours into our so far and I never played all the Zelda games, the only game I've beaten our breath of the wild in twilight, Princess. This is the only games of beaten for Zelda. So I played a lot of other Zelda games like in the past, and I, I like washed my brothers play like Akron time, George mask, and all that stuff. But I never really got into them. And so, I mean when I got my, we you, I bought when we Capri early on and I just never ended up. I finally now's the time to play it, every time I have no idea. Why now is the time? But yeah, so I'm busting out that old Fisher Price. We pad and Blaine. And on that, I don't have to you. I can plan pro control which I have one. So, but I like I kind of I'm actually kinda liked the game pad. It's feels good. What could size stuff in the curvature of? Yeah. And it's good weight. And the I like the I I like the touchscreen, because I loved it into. No. I like the touchscreen control with Schoeller itself, like quality wise, is definitely piece of shit but I like it. No. I mean like I will play it up. I've been using it more when I do use my we you. But I just mean like it feels like a cheap toy and the screen sucks and stuff, but the actual but the way it feels in my hand when I'm playing game. Yeah, fine. So I love like when games of us that touch control stuff though, like when they do switch, when it tried to touch, especially starting valley. I'll try to use it. Sometimes. Oh, yeah. That's weird that it doesn't didn't put any controls on it at all. Well, you don't wanna make the other the videos IRS feel that's touchscreen. You'll I'll make the PS four. You gotta. Yeah. The mobile one is so, so I don't know. Cool, cool. Well, I was playing secure. Oh I'm done with it now. What's next on the plate? I will probably play God of war like the new one. Yeah. I heard. It was really. Good. Although I have been uring to go just dive into like along like retro game maybe like office tactics or something. Oh, yeah. My favorite game. I forgot about that when he why. Well, good story. All right. When I was younger, I played final fantasy seven and I loved it. So I went to the store. My dad was gonna buy me a game. And I was like, ooh final fantasy tactics. I've I love final fantasy seven. It's got to be the same started playing it and I didn't even get past the first fight. I think it's. Oriel I think fought the Dettori fight, maybe like five times, and then I, I. Took the game to my dad and was like I don't want this game. And like we went back and returned it and got something. Oh my God. That's amazing. Yeah. So I played it back then. But I couldn't beat it, but I could beat the tutorial. Up on me. I love those tactics RPG's. So I never beat the game. So I might go back and play that or towards the end dude. Yeah. Or and or play gotta war in an I also recently picked up the original persona for PS p like on, and they actually like the full contents, and they don't change the race of the riders. So I got that and I've been wanting to play that, but yeah, I also recently rewatch the game of thrones to get prepared for the new season. And then. Video game. No. And then I've been watching Buffy there is a video game. I've been watching Buffy. My roommate, and I all my older extra meant, and I, we were watching the we're trying. We're gonna walk series and I never got through it. I think got like season four. Yeah. Did you like it? It's tough for me. Having to stash it with it. So for me. I liked it, but not enough to keep going. Because for me it just it just reeked of cheesy ninety show. Well, that's what it's supposed to be. I know that it's, that's what it is. And I know why. But like it's supposed to be like, no to know with fan Pires. I've never liked those types of shows. I, I take that back. I like them. Like I watch like Melrose place before and stuff like that. Like, I, I enjoy those shows, but like I don't I'm not sitting there watching Melrose place from start to finish. I mean if it's just a matter of if you like the characters enough or not. Yeah, eventually keep going. But the problem is, is that I liked the characters and stuff. And then I'll watch episode and those shows back then had so many filler episodes, two of just like stuff that doesn't really. Progress the storyline at all. And it's just Bs weird side story with character. See, so I mean I know it's really famous series and I get it. I, I didn't watch it as, as a teenager like that. So I have literally no attachment. Right. So I understand the appeal though, I liked what I watched and I watched some of them the when we were watching it back then too, because we got to the season starts lining up with angel. That's a that you don't wanna do that. That's how you definitely fall off of it. That's just too much, and angel is I never watched the full series. But I know that it gets a lot better than what it starts out at takes like any show takes few seasons to get to. It's peak and that Buffy was the same way the first season is like awful. It's like I mean, Jesse even watching it. And I, we keep saying it's very it has a very much goosebumps vibe. Yeah. Like the goosebumps show where the. Original season of Buffy is like there's a giant, praying mantis, and like a dummy, who's alive like a yeah. Oh, it's like goosebumps stuff. And it has said has nothing to do with the plot. It gets better. It's time goes on in the show. Gets a lot like season three four for Buffy is like the peak of the show. And then it splices in with angel and it's like you have a show that just starting out and hasn't found its footing if you're going back and forth by that. You're just gonna get burnt out like I don't wanna keep doing this because I've tried to do that before with with the angel Buffy because lined up back down. Right. Like that. You, you would see like a phone call, and you could see the under other end of the phone, call in the angel episode. Right. It was probably pretty groundbreaking when it did that. Yeah. And it was ground. Breaking for a lot of reasons. The show itself, twin peaks, aside, from, like twin peaks a shows weren't doing that continuous story. Art type stuff back then like this was pre sopranos in sopranos, one of the reasons why sopranos such a big deal. Was because it was like a really high end TV drama where it was like a movie in the plot. Continued on from episode episode TV wasn't like that back then. No, they'd had to stand on their own. Right. So Buffy was one of the I like a lot of people consider it's weird to think about and say, but, like a lot of people consider like Buffy in the sopranos has the two big like TV shows that changed the way to media's. Yeah. Lars. Now, now, nothing really. I saw the hush episode. Famous one. Yeah. It's a good episodes. They just Llandough just released a vinyl that upset a vinyl of that. Yeah. Like soundtrack. All right. So might not out instantly. Yeah. Probably the whole soda silent. Oh, I'm thinking of there's, there's a musical episode that's too, right? The music from that. I'm very I got very mixed up there. No, there's another episode. That's all musical. Yeah. Once more with a little more feeling what it's called. So, yeah. That's what I've been up to. All right. Well on that note wrap this up been going for an hour and twenty that battery symbols lookin super well. 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Troy Interviews vMutiny -GMR Zone Interviews

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Troy Interviews vMutiny -GMR Zone Interviews

"Welcome to the gm podcast a weekly podcast dedicated to bringing you. All the important news for gm are the revere crypto gamers by. Let's get to the news with your host frank. Katina you'll join with troy myself one of the mud's in the community and also one of the hosts of the glorious podcast on the bosnian on joint here myself with cameron. Greenham aka v mutiny. How you doing today. Cameron pretty good night. Good tom in the in. The coda windsor in astrid is really really chilly. And you're in the mountains as well so that's even better. Yes blow zero last night so it was not a good as far goku so just a bit of a history on yourself your dad and your strain so you wanna lab right on that one as well. Yes i with with the all the stuff that come about las g famous out of a job been Partner was lucky enough to be able to keep her job So we decided to swap roles and Last i decided to stay home with kids while she was working in. I'd be the spirit all mama slave and people being trying to convince me for a wall to have a crack at streaming so I got everything set up and had to go and it would just went from there and abia eight months later kicking on. Yeah that's crazy to me How do you find streaming in australia with the internet speeds and stuff like that. I'm fortunate enough to have pretty decent internet where we it took a while I it was one of the main reasons that i didn't strain beforehand because Until we got the nba network upgrade I was sitting on like twelve download and a one upload so it was it was not good but now we're we're lucky to be on a sixty down and a twenty up so it's it's decent enough to get the stream and mountain share the my experience with the people. Yeah yeah another internet. Australia is one of the the bottlenecks for most people that do want us streaming myself personally. When i did want to do the streaming thing. The internet was terrible. I'd like one megabyte download. It was like eight hundred kilobytes upload. It makes it so tough because like as soon as you go from playing a game to try to do anything else at the same time. It just bottlenecks in you. Just drop everything and it just does not work. So yeah. Yeah i have noticed. I did have ability extreme and somebody content. I have noticed that you doing a pergola on tanaz. Lock run of black as i go. Oh yeah i did start a black run a little while ago. It was a bit of a spontaneous celebration for hitting hundred fifty followers and It took us a while but we ended up getting we finished it. Probably six weeks ago have actually started on black to now and oil boys that a step up from from black yet. Yeah i've never really committed to a block round myself. Because i find that the grind is fucking ridiculous like you just gotta level off. Sorry march yet. It's tough and sometimes you sit there and you're doing it on streaming you think people on interested in watching this it's bouldering But you know you can do it off. Stray more just push through in trying to interact and engage as doing it at Yeah it's it's just a part of the now's lock in people. I sit by on what she do it. And it's just comes with the territory. I suppose. Yes you being a dad. Juggling being a dad stayed home in streaming and stuff like that. It's it makes it tough. Always limits my ability to stream it to tom. Sluts so i'm pretty much stuck at streaming of an evening Which is non. pm for local. Tom and Means that i miss out on a large audience in in america because nanticoke years like three o'clock in the morning for them so there's a lot of that around you know. I've got a few follow us from america. Say they swing by. When i managed to get a day stream out but It definitely definitely is a noticeable difference to a lot of friends who have who stream stream through the day. So yes so you'll put a team pulses well From what i can Sort of fathom in my research shoulda came through as well. Yeah i did Did get off to join the the stream jayme fifteen polls Which was pretty cool. Because obviously if the policy were What half of of pulse anyway was lethal gaming and Having come up through cola. Judy and buying a local judy at ease. i into following the pricing of an america In always lethal gaming. Had a pro team and i finished it was full in the two thousand sixteen called shapes or something out. Oh well so yeah. They were obviously pretty reputable from that standpoint. It was it was a bit of an old onto get the invalid and yeah one hundred percent. Yes i just sort of capital joining here today with be mutiny you can catch him on. Twitch dot tv slash v mutiny. And he's also bought of team pulse and mark gogo. Yeah so that's pretty much like the little peyser of the podcast on and there's a bit of an unofficial of as well as recording mining. just like. Yeah it's it's. It's good to see australian stream railway in my opinion. It's it's such a rarity. Yeah i mean this. Quite a few of the stream streams around that You know like. I said i've got caught a number of friends do it. And i've lucky been lucky enough that they've they've got pretty well established channels and stuff not yet being there to help. Support me along the way in and things like that so man. That's so lucky. I love that. A lot of a lot of the. I think starting to get a bit more recognition with companies overseas and stuff a lot might a mind hunter and five. He's recently just been given a raise a partnership. So well he yeah. It's pretty good for him and he's doing great things for that. So it's it's really good to say the recognition in eastern community. That's been one thing that i've sort of saying coming without internet. Slowly being improved is a lot more of a australian presence on twitch myself on the i would love to get in on the action of being a stream. All just like little roadblocks mentally where. I'm like any my contents going to be good enough. I don't think they were going to be interested in watching me. Do you know anything through gaming. 'cause i'm not very good gaming and all that sort of stuff and pasta senior. I'm sure sure i think doing this. Podcast is one way of getting out of my shell. What was sort of y'all thing that nods judah would streaming other than you know. Obviously kobe and that sort of thing. Like i said it's always something that i've had thought of doing The circumstances would never for So it was just a matter of everything sort of lining up in working out Excuse me Yeah it's like. The we had the internet upgrade upgraded in october lachey. Which was it was like a month before actually officially started streaming so. Yeah it just. It just worked out and i was able to work out the schedule with kids in. Haven't side that you know i can get on of not thomond and just have a bit of god. That's one hundred percent. Gopher ending of you being a fulltime stream all. She's she's pretty supportive of it. But obviously there. There are some downsides to that. Come along with it as well like You know there's a lot of stress and anxiety involved on the any stream it will tell you that behind the scenes but they say is is that anxiety that comes with. Nah you see before you go live. You know freaking out and stuff like that even before we jumped in to do this yellow. Let's say navy two thumbs niles freaking out but then once you go live you know it just it just snaps and everything just comes together as a man. I can only relate kebob noticed as hell to Every time i it's still without file supernova novus i- flab some somewhere words and stuff like that like what did you think was the best thing that you did or have you found any ways to manage that sort of anxiety coming into doing streaming all publicly speaking even as well funny thing is coming up through school is i was sort of thrust into public. Speaking by i was just pushed into that sorta limelight. And i don't really remember how i dealt with as a kid. I just know that i did it. Yeah and it always worked out And i would have been you know school captain and stuff like that if i'd stayed at the same school but unfortunately at parents had to move for work and things like that so But then you know coming up as an adult. I don't know it. Just the anxiety came through. And i don't know it's it's been tougher as an adult. I feel it's the same thing with the Job interviews and stuff like that as well. You know that anxiety before end. And i think it's i think it's just a thing that you deal with You it's your body's why is telling you you know you want this you care about this. You know be ready and they will say you know. Fear increases your It heightens your senses and it keeps you alert. So i think it's just a part of that and you just you just get on and do it in and go from nasa yet. I can relate to that No big part of this podcast is being overcoming. Y sort of like Fears and You know like not even just like putting content out there or talking community or you know talking to your interviewing other people that are professional content. Credit is in my opinion. It's more the fact that in the real world outside of this podcast area announced in my little room right. Do all this stuff. When i go to a bar or something we might my girlfriend and was like what do you do for work. And i'm like you know. I i do this i do that. I didn't really know how to say it effectively to them so the like. Yeah that's fucking sick. That makes it tough. It's it's always hard trying to explain to people that have no idea what what it's about. Yeah yeah totally totally. So do you have. Do you have any cryptocurrencies or crippled wallet. Or anything like that or you invested in gmo. I'm trying to say that i do not. Oh ruined ruined. I until Pulse and the jameh partnership. And i had no clue about a gmo And the cryptocurrency. So i've actually been looking into it since and doing a bit of research on it and stuff a lot so And i think that with jay ma The fact that they pushing for this whole you know content created a platform. I think it's a really good idea. I'm really intrigued to see how it turns out. So yeah well when you really good in the future to see see can happen when you get a wallet. Up and running a crypto wallet and you end up adding gm to it. She message and i'll send you a billion also. Gm all just to get you on your on your journey but yeah it's it's it's it's a unique idea and i know there's a lot of like nuff vilified which stands for like viansa indian doubt in some parts of al community jamal but the deb's are going to be careful because they're on a billion dollar idea in my opinion and all it takes is for them to release too much information and then you're gonna have your bigger names in the gaming industry throwing money at people to make the same project. So i i think. They're being very very cautious. And it's a good reason because the coming out with something revolutionary as well as the whole thing it was really amazing was well one hundred percent can be a revolutionary idea. And if you think about it with it being a content creator platform if they get other development studios involved in stuff a lot. Every game has their own Online currency to you. Go and you buy that. Currency to spend on cosmetics season passes whatever imagine having a crypto currency that is in the games. So you know you've got your wallet there and you've got x. Amount of jam iron. Yeah and then you play in cooler. Judy and you wanna buy skin. You just spend your. Gm are on like how much easier does that make everything how much that then becomes. The whole streamlined process. It's it's a brilliant idea. Yeah well. I read an article today stating the nfl as we're going to be the future of cosmetics in games where you earn physical property or digital physical property allegedly is what you're saying so you can pitch a like some of the skins you get legal legends. Colour judy counterstrike. Guard and physically are in those properties. They you know yours. One hundred percent as well as autistic content that you can sell to another member and you can put the price on it rather than it being like. Oh i bought a skin on league legends for ten bucks. You could be like. Yeah i earned the rights to the skin. The artwork for the skin. I'm gonna sell thirty dollars. Yeah can say it being a really ambitious and a very game changing thing if ma can adopt this and it's not campbell when they adopt this into gaming if they do it quick enough. I think they're on the ellen gets in. Yeah the differently. They haven't really seen anything similar. Yeah the bio means man. Get that wallet often ryan streaming damn on a disco nola. Be more than happy to jump on board with all yet. But maybe if i do end up getting my stream up and running we might have to do like a bit of a nozzle competition. Yeah hey i absolutely. I'm down for that. I wanna try a couple of randomized runs and stuff like that too. Because i've done a couple of nozzle runs off of the record was very difficult. Pergamum games that were fan made slash rom hacks but yeah. I'm a big fan of the program. Money industry and the franchise itself. Yeah the lexa great. So many things you could do with the community on twitches amazing as well the welcoming and friendly and it's amazing to see. Just how they react with with newcomers to it. So it's it's been a really good experience also a bit of destiny as well as we'll see if agency is an understatement. Yeah i tried to downplay them in by so much destiny as ridiculous at this point. I have twenty two hundred dollars on steam alone so just a little bit of time. Yeah it's insane. No that's yeah. I don't know i never got into destiny. I think it was just because of that time fact. I always look at a game. And i'm like how much time am i going to spend on this game. Do i want to live outside of it yet. That's right it's getting better though for that side of things You know obviously the biggest thing for people has always been the pal grinds and yeah they they have now changed so that every time we have a new season update so currently season of the spicer and the next season updates in eight weeks something like that. Yeah so every season now you the maximum you can get to goes up by ten casual apply is it means that if they get to the pinnacle cap which is the highest level you can get to It means that then the next season they've only got to do their pinnacle grind so to to get your loot in the game. This three threes sort of typical ways to do it as you. You pal Pathak cap legendary cap. And then you'd nickel cap As you've been go cap is is very specific. End game content And so i if you will if you're only needing that ten pad that made you've got to focus those activities to get this so it makes it a lot easier for the cash. Apply advice now yes whereas before it was it was a massive grind every season you you'd be going from that eight hundred two four eight hundred four hundred twenty so there's sort of reduce the amount of time needed to get to the point where you can get the nba moms and stuff like that to yet someone like me. It means that. I'm done in the first week or two three characters. I grew up that opening activities in duns a for the casual play bass which is the large portion of of who plays the game and who's being a being targeted towards It's helpful it easier for them now. So it's good to say that the recognizing that in making the changes. Yeah exactly exactly. What sort of games did you play growing up when you were younger. I played everything. I've been on thirty two now. I've been gaming for like twenty eight years. Earliest memories of gaming. Were my uncle. Who was fifteen at the time when i was four years old. He had a commodore sixty four allies And he used a witch a bit of paper in the w key. And i would play this racing game so all i had to do was move the car left and right and dodge the other. 'cause on the track yell You know that's one of the very earliest memories. I have gaming and then things like you know didn't intend the siga pie. Alex kidd yes. The lava level the level of live alec kidman. That was annoying. I game. I still have not been that game to this diana. I'm kind of thinking that. Maybe i'll pull it out and give it a go on stream watch that man busted out on strain. 'cause i remember like i think i'd get poss- like sees ahead raw kid and then pay ahead. I think it was a loss on. If i'm greg. Yeah and he was a son of a bitch and he would. Change brought predictable. He always very. i'm. I'm sure there's probably a pattern to it. But he always seemed random. I thought he was our ingeba looking back at it. I read downloaded I already are in this game. By the way are we downloaded a roman minna. Emulated for it. And i played it and i don't know if games getting easier or if my bouma brian is just making it so i'm shittier it video games video games. We played growing up. Were all death. Yeah like all or they had a live system so you life's by playing when she ran out lives. That was it. You had to stop in the beginning again. I remember i jump back into golden axe as well go next to i think. Oh my god go to next. That was a hell of a game. But god damn i remember being that bad. I thought as a kid. I crushed it and i remember getting to like the the third loss second laws boss and destroying it. And then i'd always have to go to bed now. unlike i'm sorry cranky and like my mechanics gone. I just suck yeah. It's it's so strange. How how much it changes like you. Go back try plan. I don't remember being as bad as a kid. One hundred percent dog cameron. Thanks very much for joining me on the of a podcast slash unofficial shot. Keep an ear out. And if you want to plug any socials or anything like that as a perfect opportunity my social very easy. You could find me on. Every platform onto v mutiny. Easy that sube as you then but hopefully this will be ed within the coming weeks but obviously and get all that sorta stuff sorted not. Thank you again. Kevin for joining me geo girlfriend in kids onto upset that i stole you away for a little bit not going shopping. That'd be fun for driving picking up. The shopping washes outsides. It's fun amazing. Thanks thanks again. Thank you to the gaza jama now. I know john thanks very much.

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Marketing to Value: How Vital Farms is Taking a Different Approach to Reach A Unique Demographic

Marketing Trends

38:36 min | 4 months ago

Marketing to Value: How Vital Farms is Taking a Different Approach to Reach A Unique Demographic

"Hi alec baldwin and you're listening to marketing trends and the leeds art week. Consumers are different today than they were last year or even last week tastes constantly changed. And if there's one thing marketers are frequently reminded of its that there is no secret recipe to understand consumer trends in the marketplace. All you can do is look at the data and what it says. These days is that consumers are more focused on brands values than they ever have been. They wanna see transparency and have trust in the brands. They buy from as a result. Companies like vital farms are at the forefront of many consumers minds the general movements for his people wanting to eat real food and nowhere comes from and trust that source. and so that's very much the mindset that we focus on less so at demographic but more about a mindset of people that are willing to hail a premium for products that they believe in entrust that are looking for brands have values similar to their own. Scott marcus is the cmo of vital farms a company that prides itself on bringing ethical food to the table while being with customers about how that happens on this episode of marketing trends scott explains why vital farms traceability program is helping the company reach these value focus consumers and he explains how to customers throughout the buying journey. Enjoy this episode. This message is brought to you by salesforce hey marketers today's b2b buyers are more complex than ever and every buying committee has different. Needs and goals. Salesforce can help. We'll show you how to put each and every customer at the center of your btv marketing strategy and you'll learn how top brands like lift approach account based marketing salesforce market to every account speak to every buyer find freebie marketing and avium resources at s. f. d. c. dot co slash every dash buyer. Welcome to marketing trends. I'm phase on host marketing trends. And today we are joined by special guest. Scott how are you doing terrific. Thanks so much for having me. Yeah thanks for joining excited to chat about marketing. Vital farms today and your background and marketing. So let's get into it. How'd you get started marketing. The first place. I have been a lifelong marketer When i was a kid. I was selling rocks and seashells to my neighbors until i got in trouble for doing that. I created a baseball card. Business when i was in junior high school and was bringing in a couple hundred bucks a week In my backpack. Until i got in trouble for doing that but i guess that's the beginning of it all. I always had a passion for bringing products to meeting. Consumers needs. I guess and a little bit of brinkley. Showmanship in terms of marketing brands and Greenham either on tv or getting them into people's refrigerators lives and so flash forward to today us what it means to be cmo vital farms. Yeah vital farms is a really special place to be. I started my marketing career. After business school at at craft became unbelie anza. Cut my teeth on some really large brands learning the ropes of marketing but holistic brand management. And so after eleven years coming down to vital farms. Evening opportunity to take everything that i've learned and really creative a new brands that had not been known. We didn't have a marketing discipline. Marketing gene to speak of at that time and so i began a journey of creating something that i knew had agreed mission. That was meeting. Consumers needs from a unethical food production perspective and it was just a matter of building out a team. Marketing plans start getting some some traction and scale and so for listeners. who don't know. Can you share a little bit. More about vital. Absolutely vital farms isn't unethical. Food company focused primarily on. Shell eggs and butter. Today are founder. matt o'hare started the company back in two thousand seven with a mission to bring ethical food to the table. What he wanted to prove was that you can produce food. Ethically meeting treating the animals well caring for the land caring for your stakeholders including your farmers and do that at scale. It wasn't something that you just had to do in a in a small backyard or small farm setting bring. it's the local farmers market. This is something that he believed that that we should be able to replicate Make national if not yon that and so. That's how that'll farms began. I'm frankly we are a long journey today. We are now sold in sixteen thousand stores again primarily in eggs and butter but some additional products such as packaged bites that we launched last year and continue to grow and scale ultimately having gone public last year as a incorporate a public entity corporation as well. We'll we'll get into to budge. That stuff here in a little bit is i'm curious. You know who who are your customers. Who are the people that you have a connection with. And how do you think about marketing. When you know you're in like you said sixteen thousand stores and and and trying to get the brand name out there and getting people to to really one understand vital farms it always starts with the consumer and the magic happens when consumers want a need is met a brand like ours in so the reality is for now probably about two decades. There's been the shift in consumers focused on eating real food knowing where that food is produced. Entrusting the source of that food and so on the consumers has come our way in. This was a perfect randan opportunity to meet exactly those needs. We are all about producing ethical way. We focus on. Our stakeholder model ends are focused. Marketing perspectives on transparency. That's built trust. We'll talk about some of the ways that takes shape but the focus of this brand has had on building trust and transparency in this ethical food production is exactly where consumers have been headed for like. I said a couple of decades. And i started seeing that in my nabisco kraft days was Thrilled to be able to come to an organization like battle farms. That already in front of where this this wave of consumer demand was headed. How did the company start meadow hair and his wife. Catherine started vital farms in two thousand seven with a passion for farming matt. Had a number of eggnog related businesses in his past and wanted to prove that you can scale at the reproduction and so they started on a small plot of land in south austin with just a handful of of chicks and started to let them roam outside and beat them food beyond feed. Let them eat the grasses and bugs and worms and recognized that the outlet was terrific. You got a richer egg. A better tasting product and a lot of people believe with with a different set of nutrients than if a hannes kept caged up or locked up indoors for its entire life and so that that fortuitous nece the better you treat the animal the better output you get as a as a consumer was a great model to continue to scale and ultimately become vital farms today. And so you know as you mentioned the consumer Kind of mindset on this is shifting. Obviously getting this in front of as many people as possible is important. Obviously you know you all have some really cool Packaging and a very clean clear brand image and all of that passer raised is is huge on all of your eggs egg cartons and on every every single kind of product you have. How do you think about going to market for the product. What are the types of things that you all do your marketing team. Yeah that'll farms is really focused on on our mission and our standards And so that's really baked into everything that we do be very seriously that people that join our crew. We make sure that their close to our mission that they spend time on the farms. He spent time learning our business model from the gecko said we can communicate that accurately and that's really important from a marketing perspective because transparency is important to us. Everyone needs to be able to speak clearly particularly and truthfully about everything that we do in producing the food that we bring to market in you mentioned the term pasture-raised and that is a standard that mad in the early days i'm helps to formulate in and codified but ultimately others have followed us into this pasture rate segment. And that's fine. It's it's a way of farming on but is a different type of commodity than a free range egg or a cage free egg or factory egg on the end of the day. What's important to us. Is our business model in the we talk about. Ethical food production that includes not only our standards on the farm but includes holder model. We thought we have followed. A stakeholder model based on conscious capitalism since day one which means that we think about each of our stakeholders in all the big decisions that we make treating the farmers. Well making sure that we're paying attention to the lands and our communities that we operate in focused on our suppliers and our consumers as well as investors in not only on investors like a lot of companies typically are and so our business model is really what what is what the brand stands for. And that's how we go to market. It's all about the vile farms brand not necessarily about the pasteurize commodity farming style that list packaging. Then what are some of the strategies and marketing initiatives. That you're running tapes a campaigns or are you all running we spend a lotta time focused on our stakeholders including our consumers end in these early days. A lot of that's about building awareness and education. About what we do. What makes vital farms different and understanding where their food comes from. One way we've done that in the past Is through our free campaign. That was a kind of our first florence you advertising where we be paid some media dollars to reach people and the notion is that a lot of people have heard about cage free eggs. It's been in the press for a number of years. A lot of companies are making pledges to move cage free but the reality is consumers ninety two percent of them think that cage free eggs come from ends that run around outside freely while the truth is that cage. Free eggs are just hens inside a big factory without gauges and so we dubbed our effort free instead of cage free because we wanted to show the truth about what cage free is also more importantly the truth about how we farm how we bring our products to market and so that was a way for us to punch above our weight. A little bit. You know little bit of humor and using the phrase early gotta get some some is open wide but helped us stand out against specially in the early days when we had very low awareness needed to start making some noise in the marketplace. Do you think of things in terms of like you know market saturation. Our brand awareness within the market or like a target demographic or ideal customer profiles like who are the types of people that you know. You're going after. Yeah absolutely from a consumer standpoint. As speaking about earlier the general movements for his people wanting to eat real food and nowhere comes from and trust that source and so that's very much the mindset that we focus on less so a demographic but more about mindset of people that are willing to hail a premium for products that they believe in entrust that looking for brands that have value similar to their own in and certainly people that are his engines with the foods that they eat themselves and feed their families. And so those mind says those psychographic really how we identify who speak to you in who we focus on when you like. You said you're in sixteen thousand stores like what is what is the primary. You know way too like i you know i. I'd imagine that there's just so much of what you're doing. That's driving brand awareness to who you are what you do but when you're in sixteen thousand stores obviously you know where you are in the store. What types of activation different sorts of things that you're doing there are going to be a key part of it but having a direct relationship with your consumers is often pretty difficult curious like how do you think about that yet. That's a great point. I definitely sometimes envied the folks who have those direct to consumer one on one relationships in track. Progress have more robust dialogue and have some marketing attribution. Frankly without that and we certainly are sold through retailers Intermediary we spend a lot of time thinking about the the consumer journey and making sure that the front end or building some awareness of vital farms in educating people that what makes us different but certainly closer to that point of purchase. That point of decision. Making sure we've got the right. Messaging on our packaging at the shelf. Increasingly is also a digital shelf and then following through not only with terrific product quality of making sure that folks have a great experience. One thing that we've always done since day. One with insert will battle times a little newsletter inside of our egg cartons. An helps reinforce what we do. It tell stories about our farms and engages people in the vital farms business model. And frankly i think drives a lot of the loyalty that we have today. Yeah that's great. That's a great great idea. I'd i'd imagine that you know that's probably your your best marketing right there. Is you know getting in front of that. Many people every day with that messaging are packaging has always stood out in the early days when all the eggs or either in styrofoam Hope and beige cartons. Having are black carton of eggs really was a differentiator more recently. A lot of other brands of followed suit and is more of a clutter on the on the shelf. We've continuously we are standing out at that crowd because it is a busy and really confusing set of products especially that a category araneta beyond the packaging like you said he reinforcing messaging with the vitals. I'm which arguably is the most widely distributed or circulated magazine in the country with millions of issues a month and continuing to keep the vital farms brands. Top of mind presence. Yeah you know. it's funny. I mean i shop acidic fifty percent of the time at whole foods. You know places like that. And i feel like there's so many places now like whole foods or wherever sprouts or whatever it is that it's kind of like these places that you can go and shop and you know you're gonna get a certain level of sustainability organic and like a lot of that sort of stuff so you can kind of feel pretty confident that you can just kind of walk around and grab anything off the shelf and you know you're gonna be there's kind of that level of quality and i'm curious like how many people you think are walking by and seeing vital farms and seeing the you know the branding and have no idea what it is just like. Oh i'll try this or something like that. I'm just yeah. I'm curious like if you have any kind of market research that you've done on on why customers are choosing it. Yeah that's a great question. I know you mentioned whole foods in that. Is where farms got. Its start in the in the mid west region. Ironically since were based here in texas. But there's gonna be a different consumer different shopper. Some of those channels certainly our awareness at hopefully today is much stronger than it is in some other places and i think largely the whole foods shopper understands in a new brand really well and is particularly seeking or finding some of information that we put on on our package whether be the certified humane certification that we have whether an understanding of pasture-raised with hundred square feet or business model. We'd be to include our big on status on package as well so that consumer that shopper is definitely honed in on that but as we've grown and expanded into new channels more mainstream and even some of the the mass merchants xbox stores we are further behind on that journey and so were a little bit harder to reach those people. Make sure that when we get into those new stores especially more mainstream stores that we do the best. We can at shelf as well as digitally to to reach the shoppers and started. Plant the seed and start to embed with vital farms in his as best week. Good bet said is a reality that decisions are made quickly at shelf and so whether it be our shelf messaging or the packaging itself. That's really a breakthrough in encouraged people to try because we're not these. Eggs are not cheap. Relative to the category are srp on our. Our based dozen eggs is five ninety nine. You can buy some real cheap eggs. Sometimes the cheapest ninety nine cents and so people really have to have understanding of of why it should try us and we do believe that once they do they see the difference in an recognize. It guy get that initial trial. Do you have any favorite campaigns that you've done over the years obviously you know you mentioned the no bs campaign and we could go into that one if you want. But i'm curious like how how you think about creating campaigns and what mediums. You want to use them what channels. You're leveraging so. I've had the fortune to work on some really terrific brands of my career. So far vital farms has an absolutely tremendous mission grape product than something. I'm passionate about and telling that story through. The free campaign has been absolute joy. It speaks to who we are as a brand from atone perspective. It did help to explain. Functionally to consumers led the difference between free in our eggs are but it also speaks to who we are as a company being transparent and trustworthy. it's has reverberated throughout the organization. And i think the campaigns that i've worked on through my career that resonate the most with me are the ones that transcend advertising. They make a great way to communicate to people but they also communicate the rest of the organization another example microbes for the planters brand nuts for many decades known as a a salty party peanut snack But the reality is that's really healthy and it's a real food that comes from the ground simply roasted a little bit of salt and oil in so At the time that i was on the planters brain we re positioning as as naturally remarkable wanted to focus on those health in food credentials and the work that we did not only change the consumer facing communication that we really reinvigorated the organization down to every single person that worked on the production floor to our farmer partners. Everyone can resonate with and get excited about physician. Planters brand is something that's good for people good for the earth and so that was really exciting for me. I've always tried to bring the entire organization into the fold and make sure that our brand positioning brand ideas on resonate and drive a lot for change in the organization than just an ad campaign. That's so interesting about About the nut example. Because you're totally right that like for years and years and years it was just kind of not necessarily marketed. One way but you know things. Change being natural being Being from the earth being organic things that now we're not a big deal. You know thirty years ago became a big deal. And i definitely the rise of like all different sort of nuts. But now they're this. They're much more popular everyday sack. Obviously your fries like paleo and all sorts of different things like that to the now. It's like it's something that was traditionally one way is now kind of in a Is in a new category right. It's something that people pair with different things or have at different times or bring to their workouts or whatever it is such is such a good good reminder that something that always was seen one way can kind of get re recreated and another. Yeah you. I was on the planet. Who's brand the debate. Internally was around a we a salty snack are we competing with doritos in convenience stores which there was some truth to their salt in is snack all and did come in those kind of size packages in those channels or you know. Based on where consumers are headed. We felt it was really important. Position ourselves as the real food with health credentials that we were. But those those debates happen. I think certainly in the larger companies and once kraft Split up into two organizations. That planters brand was run by a different team with the different mindset and i think frankly took a very different approach that point you focus on building the brand you. Focus on reducing costs in proving your margins. Those are those are trade-offs that are the real especially in the big public companies. And don't always i think follow suit what's best for the brand or ultimately consumer. Yeah that that is that is remarkable so any any other any other campaigns that Over the years that you've been particularly interested by. I have had the opportunity to sort of reposition or or fix a couple of brands of planters was one that we had to be position away from salty snacks towards being a healthier real free product. The other one may be more of a challenge was ritz crackers. Crackers are dying category in the face of so many snacking alternatives of come out over the years And so the choice. On the brits brand was to look at what assets we have and the nostalgia. Memories of people seeing ritz crackers put out during the holidays going visiting visiting their grandparents or meeting. I remember one story from consumer. Who talked about meeting her. Boyfriend's parents for the first time in news the spread of ritz crackers and cheese. That nostalgia on is really what the ritz brands owned. And so the work that my team in our agency partners created was around the idea of life's rich. There is a rich buttery taste of ritz. That's the product equity. Is that rich moments in life really. What drove consumers. Recall the brand and need them onto purchase. Maybe more than just the one time of year thanksgiving and so that was a lot of fun to reposition something that was heading in the wrong direction at that time. And then the other example. I would give because i think all marketing is about making really clear choices and focusing earlier in my career i worked on the honey. Bunches of oats cereal brands. And when you work on a product like that there's always the tension of while as it about health or is it about taste and to brands just looked to be in the middle and one of the all things to all people and talk about balance right or were this and that and the reality is you end up being no things to nobody instead of all things all people and so i. I remember that again too early in my career in very thoughtful about the we made to say we're just going to communicate taste. Let the ingredient label. Let the name honey. Bunches of oats speak to the health credentials but man. This thing is just tasty delicious and once you try it you're gonna get hooked and so the the campaign idea was called one. Spoonful zala takes it was all about. Just yeah we'll try it and we went on the road and did sampling tourists. This is a good while ago. Am i i just. I love that even though is i. I was just a brand manager at the time. But i love that. We've made that really clear choice in a lot of people saying wait. Why don't you talk about the fiber. Why don't you talk about the wheat. Or the health credentials of the flakes and we can really toed the line and said let's be clear. Our messaging is about getting cupola. Try us. it tastes grade. And to this day i eight hundred benches votes as my family staple staple the phase on household growing up for sure. So i have a question about about marketing. Some of these types of products. Because i think when you're when you have a brand like that that is so popular and beloved by a large percentage of people. The people who you know are going to buy honey bunches vote so matter what the price is no matter. It's on sale no matter if they have a coupon and then you have these. You know this new demographic of people that you wanna get in front of that might be might be slightly different or or the ritz. Example is is another good. One where people who buy ritz. You want to try to get to new audience. Our team here a marketing trends big on big cheese and crackers. We got a slack. Cheese channel talk about big big cheese and crackers people but i think that one of the things that you know someone like like a ritz honeybunch votes. You have a lot of like brand affinity with that brand but you're also looking for other options that are kind of like in that family and you kind of see some some brands doing this more recently. Where it's like kind of the same way you know when it comes to acquires another one and says like powered by whatever these kind of companion brands that serve that different. Kind of demographic of people but still has like that kind of trust that you would get for from ritz crackers. Like i don't want ritz crackers to change at all. Because when i rinse that's what i want but i do want to see what else you know. Maybe that that brand could come up with so how you think about like marketing. Those type of new products. Yeah you know. The amount of choice in the marketplace is absolutely staggering in gets more becomes more of a challenge every single day in year. There's always the question of brand extension and extended ability and we are we looking at today in. My current role certainly looked at that on brands. Like honey bunches of 'em planters and ritz and those are really tough choices. Frankly ability for brands move into a new category in segment is very much to rooted in what they stand for. And how broad stand today. so. I think it's a great example of a brand that had equity in in crackers and extending ensue ritz chips and extending into at the time. We had some some sandwich face products that had some of the same core functional product equities made sense in some of those relatively successful. But there's only so much room in people's minds in people make brand associations very quickly so for i'll make it up planters even though it's a real real food to become a smoothie company or to move into yogurt even though it's also protein-based is going to be a whole different conversation. I think a lot bigger stretch because you say that would yogurt and brands like giovanni and by goes dannon. Invite you gonna come to mind. Do i trust this brand where it might just associating this brand with that new products certainly from vital farms perspective on. That's a big piece of the assessments. That that we do as we look to grow. This brand vital farms has the ability. I think to meet people's needs and to disrupt the food industry beyond eggs and butter which we've been doing today but it doesn't mean that we can be all things all people in every category and so we've got to make those choices do consumer vetting see where this an interest and extended ability but also where we cross the line of elliott nation. At what point is there something that people start to question the core integrity of our of our brand if we go into that new segments so we. We do a lot of homework on and have all the brands. I've worked on to think about the right verge threat extended ability or wednesday. You cut bait and just use a new brand to meet those consumer needs. Can you talk a little bit about the traceability program The you'll have yeah. Vital farms is all about building our brands. As i've said based on truth and honesty in transparency we would love to bring everyone we could to a farm on the realities of of travel especially to some of our rural neighborhoods in the in the southern midwest. Just be very practical and so we've always wanted to show people where their food comes from to build that trust in berkeley because we're proud of what we do and one way we were able to do that is through. We called traceability by ultimately putting cameras on all of our farms. Roughly two hundred partner farms that we work within our network and all those farms have cameras that that have updated videos and when you buy a carton of vital farms eggs on the end what's printed on there is not just the expiration date or the date but also the name of the farm. Those eggs scheme from we are able to do that because we have direct relationships to farmers most most brands most companies in in our industry buy and sell eggs on the open market as commodities. That have some of their own pharmacy may not but because all of our eggs come from that network that we have a direct relationship with we were able to trace eggs on the level from the farm into our washing facility and out the machine to put that stamp on the carton and traceability. He's been a terrific example of our desire to be transparent in show people where their food comes from but also enabled by the fact that we have that relationship and we work off of the stakeholder model and have the direct farmer contracts in relationships that were proud of. I think that that's been the home. Run for us has been the combination of time consumers and showing them what they're looking for but also being able to. Frankly do it. And we don't think a lot of other any can pull that off. Yeah i mean there's there's so much You know in the market right now with with a lack of transparency that it seems like that being a key differentiator something you'd wanna focus on a lot With your marketing. Yeah again if people wanna do people go to the farmer's market because they have that they can see the person that grew their food they can they can make that association build that trust for their eating and we can't get all the way there with sixteen thousand retail locations in two hundred pharmaceutical. But we can certainly do our best to bring that connection that human connection to life so last year in the in the salesforce Study said that twenty nine percent of marketing leaders said they're satisfied with their ability to measure r y. I'm curious like how do you think about our y. How do you think about measuring it for your marketing activities. How do you leverage data to figure out new opportunities yet. We've been chasing this holy grail of marketing. Roi and attribution for. I guess as long as marketing has been a thing and Like i said earlier. The ability of some brands that are direct to consumer even in you know industries like insurance is pretty unique and special. We don't have that luxury in a in a cg world where we sell through the retailers and so measurement certainly is tough in. Its early something that we can do to to pursue but the good news is. There's no shortage of of information. A lot of its data with the retail sales data or understanding shoppers to the panel data but also listening listening to all the emails phone calls social media comments that we get from consumers and we aggregate all of that so put together the best puzzle. The we can't understand what is on marketing. Doing some of it's going to be more qualitative. But there's certainly no lack of data to be able to show some movement of needle over time towards increase household penetration towards increased velocities off the shelf. And so we spend a lotta time digging into the data to do the best we can to assess our roi or row as but it's certainly not the fully full holy grail that we're all looking for so what's next for vital farms in as you can imagine. I think the vital farms brand has a ton of potential to continue to reach more households. Continue to disrupt the food industry eggs of historically been a commodity in food. That became came industrialized yet. We've proven max vision that ethical food production can be scaled can take care of the animals and the farmers and land in good business partners and also do at scale and so there's no shortage of improvement that we need in our food system categories in places that the bottle farms sprang can go anything that surprised you over the last year. I know it's been. It's been a crazy year for everyone but Anything particularly that stood out. We've anti campaign in the heart of kobe last summer. Summer of twenty twenty. That was truly surprising. In heartening it was the reaction we got to thank you campaign that we implemented a what we did was used are vital times newsletter that we packed oliver egg cartons and turns it into italy. A reply card said people could share their thanks with our police at what we call aig central station. The folks who pack packing wash our eggs As well as our farmers and their spont- response was absolutely overwhelming. We got about three thousand consumer responses via email including hundreds of them which were handwritten notes including drawings from kids mail to us with actual postage stamps. People took the time to do that. And send them in. And the fact that thousands of people showed their show their concern show their appreciation for our frontline workers in our farmers was relayed. Terrific statement in something. We are thrilled to share out. And get a heartening moment during a time of covid kill. Let's get into our lightning round questions. These questions are fast easy. Just like marketing was salesforce. You can go to salesforce dot com slash marketing to learn more marketing on the world's number one. Crm that is salesforce. Salesforce has been with us very first episode marketing trends. We love them dearly. Go to salesforce dot com slash marketing to learn more lightning round questioned. Scott are you ready. I'm ready number one. Is there one marketing campaign that you've seen recently. That was not a vital farms campaign that you're particularly loving or jealous of or anything like that. I'm a huge fan of sweet green. I have not seen marketing tonight. I know that they do a lot of events at least when they could bringing bands to the local neighborhoods at. I love that combination of bringing the what's important to local community including the food from that local environments in region in community together. And so while it's not a an ad campaign necessarily. I love the approach that they're taking the marketing that they've built their brand off coach. If you could have one person as a guest on a podcast interview who do you think it would be. It has to be on. Musk these days especially because he's now my neighbor here in austin texas so i've got i've got a lot of questions. He that's right. Did nas in as crazy if you weren't in marketing at all or in business. What do you think you'd be doing. I would hopefully be training to be a professional marathoner. 'cause that's my other passionate. Just love to run and get out outdoors. What is your best advice for first time. Cmo i am a classically trained marketer and believe that there is a ton of value in in the models and traditions of consumer journeys and for ps in sees even though we all like to create new versions of it at stuff works. It's been around. I seventy years for a reason. So don't forget the fundamentals last question. What is one question that you never asked that you wish you were asked were often. We're going to be. When i grow up i would. Do you wanna be when you grow up. It's funny. I i i i love what i do i found a. I've always been a marketing guy. But i found my passion for food and i truly love building. Food brands a a mentor in the skew. Accelerator here in austin. And so hopefully sunday i'll retire. Just get to enjoy life. Maybe with no real responsibilities but for the next few decades in front of me. I truly am doing what i wanna do. Gonna grow scott. Thanks so much for joining. That's it that's all we got for. Today everybody should go to vital farms dot com. Check them out. Go get just try it right once. Spoonful of of semantics tried twelve. You'll never go back and anything else. Any final thoughts anything to appreciate you. Having me the mission the products happen to be great but the way we go about it is really what makes them special. 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Toby Hadoke - Hat Works

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Toby Hadoke - Hat Works

"Well, that's hard. This is an alternative travel guide with comedians. Well, no faces a me your host Elizabeth tumble. Each happy said is brand new died and the brand new trick to some wet completely new. With us. Get your Taurus on vocal up. Enjoy attorney and do try to keep pass. No, I with you. Before we off this podcast may contain sweat and things adult nature for the fact, check out that so historically summation may be owning tensions gain up to it. Corey Paul already. Please stand clear doors. Iota guide. This episode is a stand up comedian writer actor and award winning comedy club owner, he's being described as a comedy genius. And is a bit of a doctor who expert I'm totally to to have this chap on Taurus podcast. It's Toby Hato, and where up to get nostalgic. Went to bed reminisce about the Goodell days. Tough talk about being a jet. I'm as well have been in Wigan and says some pretty awesome stories about how he actually made the Manchester Evening News once because my hut stowed from excess Malaki my comedy club in the early days. Somebody Nick did we start the trip on a train to stop paw and great Manchester. With Toby Haydock festival. Thank you for being a tourist, very, welcome. Thanks for having made tickets tickets, though, we go thank you very much. I've got one somewhere fund tickets everybody really time professional. The podcast has been saved by not being thrown off the train at Levin's, Hugh, we got we went to the stock vote happen. It's a completely open book to me. I have no idea. What's expect it's called the Stockport hat works. How it works is the only UK collection devoted to the Hatton industry. And it takes you on a journey through the history of stock posts once thriving industry, which attics high with exporting six million a year. This is this is something my over half had been thinking about taking me to in in the way, it probably never would have happened. But every time she'd been stop. Place. Toby Toby that but we would never have done it. So then when you asked me to do this. But I was chatting, I'm not very imaginative personnel. Go God where we go. And she said, why don't you go there? So I don't know what it could be like all hats. But I think it's all the hats. I don't even know what the building looks like. The icon ick chimney when you come in stock on the train, but says works on it. I don't think I'm very observant no icon Nick much seeing the chimney. But I didn't I didn't know it was associated with. Sign of this modern age, we do train we do the in his panic. Come out with at least two things to re door podcast. Listen to the means one doesn't take in one surroundings. But I think that is why we go into hell in handcart general on the way to help we won't notice any of the scenery because we'll be looking at our iphones. Quickly on the subject of Toby doing a lot of stuff. He's always opt to something. He doesn't really see that way. That you. You're a very busy. Well, apparently. So I think I'm very lazy and spent whole days not doing anything. Well, I I went on your website yesterday. And I was just like just kept scrolling. Yep. I mean, I'm very old get your certain point where you venture lots because you're still alive. This is a good point actually in relation to your. I don't even. Doc done. Nothing got to be tolerant. Dot very well. Put my mom tells stories of when we used to go at holidays kids for us, but we will be on the beach, but he'd be his car reading a book, and I can sort of understand holiday stress mayo to bit the travel in the packing, and I'm not very good with things I'm not familiar with. And it's not because I'm not curious I have not tight for knowledge in. And I think it's important to have new experiences when it comes to the practicality of it. I'm not very good at asking for directions or things in shops. I'm not very good at things I'm not used to. So I'm quite cowardly in that regard. So this is why I let the stew this because does it element of undoing thing with somebody somebody whatever. So therefore, I can then novel off that thing because I overcome my cowardice or laziness dot said whenever I go on holiday or a do make sure I go to the museums and in Copenhagen recently, and we went to the museum there do try. But it's out of a sense of I think one should. Do you have to be truck? They're not always go. I wish I could say I do. So at by those people who just sort of land in a place find their own way. You just go round down the street, and you find this this funny little restaurant that you have to ring a bell and ask Peter throw. God love to do that. No, I need to go somewhere where they'll over the mastery of the local languages are very good. And they'll be very kind speak to meeting. An all on all over the thing. Even though I'm I'm interested in foods and things that social listening. I is extremely constraining. I went to Spain one on my own for work, and I ate with someone just because I was t Scott speak spent or tempt to speak Spanish as I say, I'm such a nervous traveler, I'm geographically blind deaf. And I didn't even notice that chimney. I've got a terrible sense of direction. I can look on Google maps. And I could come out of a building. If I'm not sure which way it's pointing away it up, but I can eat can bet I will go the railway of never driven. So I I couldn't point to switch on a map. I know. I know there's an Lester shouldn't have been there. Because I go by train. I think I have no sense of where I'm headed. A self confessed nervous traveler, but it doesn't seem that is sewn is actually following in his footsteps like the time. They all went to Copenhagen recently and his boy had his heart set on an unusual tourist spot. Talked of this place called Christians, which is this unofficial part of Copenhagen a town sprung up. It's an old military base. It's sort of declared independence, and my son really wanted to go that he's eighteen which it's terrifying on. So we went there on this with people sitting dope on the streets in this graffiti, and it's this sort of commune my sense. Can I am calendar about on for now? On our little because I didn't really like it. Anyway. My mouth went to have a Cup of tea, and then he'd sort of text it cannot be bit longer. We were or just text us when you're done. We saw him about five hours later. I was really impressed because he's quite nervous about certain things. But I was really impressed. The eight gone now, I want to shake off the grownups. I'm really interested in this place. But I wanna wasn't that. Oh was going off to smoke. So Mackey Becky now, he wasn't. I would have known. What what did you do? He said, oh next to this bloke who is from Somalia, and we got talking and he was on. I was so proud because he was doing stuff that I would never never have the balls to do. And he was doing it the right way. Which was he was discovering it for himself, proudest Chivas boy. And I wondered if this is inspired Taibbi today a little bit more ventures on his travels. It's probably too late. Now, I'm probably too much of a stiff to be able to just land somewhere and find it a nice thing that sat. Oh, there's not too late. Put a terrible. Right. Now, look window stinky's window. And you'll say stock. What works Tim knee. The travel. Look. Yes. Yeah. No. I know that. I've seen that millions of times just not registered. Let's go. The trae go. Just like that. We arriving Stockport home to fourteen nature reserves three hundred eighty list of buildings the blossoms you've failed in tests daily in the nineteenth century, the sensor of the case. Hide industry an industry the case Hattingh industry. I real problem saying Hotson with Matiz in Hatton hot throughout this nation. You will hear me being very Yorkshire in Matiz in how to how I'm gonna wear my out today. Say doesn't come naturally. Can't do it. Apologize and it runs. My northern. We traveled untrained Stockport from Manchester Piccadilly, the average Jerry takes about forty minutes. And you can also get here on regular trains from the south East, Midlands, Yorkshire and Wales and the city also has a huge booth and Cape station. Making stock Paul very well connected. Indeed. We leave the train station and star little walks out works, which is just six minutes away. Very often down again. Yeah, I'm sure I've tick I recognize this the outside of the train station with the help. They've taught his up last time. I was here. There was a bit more scaffolding over that. It took me about fifteen minutes to get out because I was looking on Google maps, and it was all over the place. She's venture into put down on how to gray after noon. I'm I've been here a lot in it must just be forgived. Should you travel so much as a comment that now that's a real thing of going to places and not going to places, which these I've been Optima doctor who convention in Los Angeles, not left the grounds of the hotel. I mean that quite concentrates those things I was doing a show in the show is our on. And I was there for about two days that combined with seeing people that I'm doing the show and having jet, but you do go. This is a long I'm as well have been in Wigan. I saw Los Angeles. We continue to work to how it works through Stockport. And I was thinking about Toby sit on the train about being a nervous travel and not having the bulls to go off the beaten track. If you're a bit of traveler, museums are really the chicken Cole of Torres destinations. Aren't they like it's not quite the homeland chips of the hotel room? But it's not quite the Vindaloo of an underground strip joint. How adventures on holiday on a scale of chip zero to have been delude ten tellers tweet leaves a Facebook message tourist podcast. It's the perfect thing for somebody that does have curiosity, but also isn't very good at finding very places to say. Well, at least I've done the museum staves off the guilt as well. So an all in compensate tick box commute. Commute. Not to the facts. I wish I was better at finding out about things. But at least at least I've had to go. It's it's like when you you buy some low fat beans, Wall Street, a frie- up you go. We'll I've sort of like knowledge. The fact I shouldn't really doing this. Exact. Yeah. We've we're all about. Any favorite museums? I mean, I've I'm a I'm a geek do grew museum the ultimately AM. So there's a whole museum. Probably my favorite. Holography tinny wall are used to do with my son quite off Ronald like the museum of science technology in Manchester because when your apparent with a child, you wanna do something that isn't sitting around that will distract them. Spree on that there is to do. I used to go there quite a lot. But also have special exhibitions that don't exhibition they ones which I'm pleased to say I was in for free because because the man the man on the dole recognized may various doctor who exploits. So I was given for free. It was there. Your time in front of my children. I've ever felt important now the place Toby's on about was cold the museum of science and industry. And if now cold they science and industry museum. But it's a top after new now in Manchester. He's got planes engines, computed Aiden. Let's talk to experts anywhere else. Like free free dinner. Sometimes people will buy me a drink. Yeah. It's it's changed my working life completely. But I wouldn't say it necessarily opens the doors to social situations. I remember once I just finished my gigs for the year. And there's always a relief when you've done that last Christmas gig, especially if you've escaped unscathed when I was just walking on the half splat, and it was snowing on a police car pulled. It was winter. I'd go long to scoff. And I who says I'm gonna wear don't who's go, and please Coppell them on this policeman. Excuse me. You immediately feel terribly guilty that oh, yeah. Cannot just rely on the doctor who DVD's. It would be prison. But I'd be it would still be a surprise if somebody sidled up to be in forbidden planet, but a police. Field on testing or left. I was very because somebody take the trouble to say something else. But also because I quite Spiga policeman was big who fencers. The fact that it was so surprising cooling run live at. Live at. Have you must anything collection as big as to amuse him though? This is interesting because I know proper collectors again, I sort of have that desire, but I don't have the meticulousness. And I think you have to commit either one way or the other, you know, so I know people who've got every single doctor who on you'll I haven't every single there's two or three Ray ones that are really expensive. So you go is it really worth spending hundred something just for it to sit on the shelf. But then be thrown away. What I don't know what to do with it. So I have some stuff I have a motion from quite semes- in the pit. I have more hardest is in my house is normal. This isn't a cusp until people come to my house ago. How many of you perfectly normal number house is like museum in a way because by the office disabled, and so we have a lift and one of her friends came to the Panadura always been to pimp it up a bit friends said. Looks just like this hour. No. So we pay to guy to turn the lift into a tandis, which is very generous. Because his if I didn't use it. Tiny. She's a loads of Jackie COMEX she's never thrown away that she's going to do the inside of with because I had a load of eagle COMEX ego. There's a kid on. I've tracked them from house to house to house to house because I know when I was younger the eagle from the old days who law money, you know, you look on EBay and one hundred zero five nine thousand nine then you go on I said, I said I didn't want to do because don't these away now. But I'll never look at them. And the first thing will happen when I die is the kids will throw the way she said, why don't you use them to decorate the covered under the says? Because then you'll using them. You know, chucking them actually the cupboard under the stairs looks fantastic because the wallpaper is genuine old covers for Migo Kobe's. You. If you like if I knew then I'm gonna have to leave them all to me was this is a shame to be taking these apartment breaking them. But they've been in boxes untouched for twenty years. But I still feel like giving books to ups from because the something wrong with getting rid of books. I'm very sentimental about throw things away slip into being behold massively. I I feel emotionally attached to plastic measuring joke that we had when we were growing up very stealth. And I get very sentimental. The fact people preserve things from the past ninety two. I've got I've got things that have broken. But I can't quite bring myself to throw away getting so much. Yeah. How like a Cooper until scrapbooks? Whereas like every ticket cinematheque K. Yeah. I've got boxes I've got empty scrapbooks boxes of stuff to go in the scrapbooks. And what when I've probably got a deadline for novel or something. But I I will do my scrapbooks. Exactly gone weird. We arrive at the museum right on the dead busy right through Stockport. Go that. I say we genuinely shocked to see the museums window display of hearts. Hunts wasn't expecting. Yeah. Some short films with people in the industry telling this seems skinny dos, which is just amazing. And in the entrance is really great looking museum gift shop full of hats and to the right is reception. Where the Lookie Feo net welcomes the ball. The ball on that Severi early days of industry. The pre industrial section and explain t- flows of goodness. What do give yourself a few house to get around? All. Decide to start at the bottom and workout way up a west on the ground level of hot works. And this is dedicated the hat industries all around is huge metal machinery much like they used in the Victorian times, the has that metally industries to it. We can remain to size it. Because of course, we didn't have to do it. And we can lament the fact that there was great craftsmanship stuff was built to last because people didn't have money. So if you bought something you needed it to last you for twenty years, do you know to me now, if if I buy a, hats and it forced a bit. So I lose it can buy another one with not win crying too, many tears stored. Imagine the noise and the smell how high it would have been and got a credible. We see these big of from ping sinews of metal here that would have given off a hell of a lot feet dangerous. Businesses. Get one if you your arm Trump's into piece of machinery as my mom used to work in. She was a nurse at a chicken factory. She was always the reason that nurse there all the time because people's chopping fingers. Four. If things good job title chicken factory, where they made chickens to the modernist upside down and chop their heads off. We want to the other end of the room where TV screen showing a film with lots of rub it unlocks abruptly without death. There the felt came from Roberts. So is it was felt all felt. I know this see to wrap it's coming through pow factories. So you'd have a rabbit on your head. Now. That's interesting because that would be very contrary. It wasn't just the machinery that made this hot make in business. A little bit dangerous. You had to Madison Hata. So it comes from maker. So because they will of mercury make they went crazy. So the Matt Hutter isn't just Lewis Carroll's imagination. David mercury with the Pell. The swim does not comes from Russia. Boengkoes e combat your your grandparents all even your parents toiled away factory making still that we probably don't use so much anymore. The comparisons were makers. Yes, my Granddad was he left school? But while we don't even know that he went to school. He didn't talk about his past much at all. But he was definitely one of thirteen children all of whom made it into adulthood at. He was a printer. Anyhow, the printing press shed, certainly I remembered that off that metal smell, and he was meticulous Manu grow with nothing, but to real pride in his work. Like grandmother was the was the one who sort of in charge because she had a shop. She she had a wool shop, and she used to give wall to the Greenham calling women because most of the Greenham common women want an ied in any of the shops. The what they used to do is they they they also tie that Amazon protests. They decorate the fences of Greenham common with bits of will. And when they went actually chopped bit of the fence off and gave it to my grandmother. So we've actually somewhere in my mom's has a bit of the Greenham common fence with a note from the green and win. Thanks very much for giving us all the world. Forgot about that. We move across to the hat blocking section super basically every half starts off with a half block and someone needs to make the hab. Look, this is natural recreation using all real fitness, tools and big changes of the last half makers in the north of England that closed in the seventies six last works for the north closed down. So I think that's very. I think is weird. So I went to museum TV museum in Bradford. And there was stuff in there. The IOT when I was fourteen fifteen that's like flip phones and games. Consoles? I thought I'm going to its retro it just Phillipi sake. Distinct on the radio the other day. Let's get this party started by painting thought, well, this is a modern song. Then forget which e went, and we're going back to two thousand six or so that no no two thousand fifteen I might on the internet like if you were born before two thousand six you won't get this joke. Whoever you won't get looks. Like, I am getting older. Will remember it's turning a corner with that to kick with the fantastic Tony Burgess, and he mentioned Orville, but it was a freshest we gig. It got nothing. We look around regimen cash was with the other comic. And we just went. They haven't got a clue who is talking about. Because that references in the eighth now eighteen I did a school's crest her couple months ago and talking about the buns I've interviewed about who's who's the best bond even via the post Cox, and they went right? Okay. To the the thing is when only was I knew who. But the Hollywood saw the the searchers or ten. Searches all the. Those are current trend at the moment where I if if if it was before, you it somehow it somehow less than you. And when we look back on things, we judge things culturally by our own cultural standards, not gonna guarding the other day a good job doctor who's not racist anymore, and you don't up to never racist on there's a real danger. I think of us of us rejecting the past rather Lofton because actually I think we've got a not we could learn from the past. And I think wick we're quite airing into the moment, we think all and we don't. Hats hymns. It's interesting because I thought when we were coming here. So in a we'll see lots of different Hansi occurred to me that we'd get a sort of insight into the because we all remain to sizing a little bit about the good old days where everybody wore hat, but this sort of work would terrify impair generation because it was real hard Pedley paid really odd long physical. You didn't need the internet because when you got your neck it and went to bed. Make our way to the exit this industrial we bump into Sam guide hair hat works. Questions. I want to ask some all questions what she favorite hat favorite heart and the world and the Weller. Months? Simple flat cap. I've only started wearing flat cap, very recently. But I like the flat they are. I don't follow trends. I set them. I put the flat Cup down to peaky blinders. Nothing. Vicki by our caprice to sell got line before picky. It's like when I used to listen to the doors and everybody at school went sixties music, and then the doors filled came out and everybody wanted to borrow my doors albums was there. I may never quite entrenched. But I'm sometimes before it now or have you gone off? A huge hardware was they look at an ice cream factory. Isn't it? They all the ice cream. They could possibly what? So they don't eat ice cream veteran cofactors than I can use much chocolate you one after a couple of weeks, you don't. I've got to bake a boy, they don't really big as and doesn't really suit people were worried about seat in in back in the day with. I just like is hap-. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you know, as you know, walking down the street with drill Bill a rebel heart. You know, what book, you know, if you, you know, back in the day, you'd be no if you were. I think particularly a bowler hat. I wouldn't tonight. It somebody wearing a bowler hat seems a step one step beyond. Yeah. They're both a bit of a statement and the top if I think if I saw somebody in top hat, I think they're show off. Whereas I think if somebody saw me in the trilby, I was bit of I think, they're an idiot. Never just a man in a top hat. We take out today. It's never just top. I hate myself for saying that because why shouldn't somebody where top hat passing and top hop on that now, I think we need more hats for it's been nice talking to you. Thanks move. Letting a out hats. It's more hats down. Survive. We have Ohio. Ten we'd missed a whole chunk the ground-floor back the pre industrial bed, basically how making without those big throw machines. Grosses before destroys action the industry. Interesting. Yes. And some come with us to shows around what's called it. Garrett much like an outhouse or talking to this university. You know, some people decide to talk. Did you learn it all on the job? Or did you did you did you have certain knowledge to get the job? I have no knowledge beforehand down enough about once month next book. Yeah. All the processes that will. Back in the day. He pens down and pick soup appel to from a box. Who is that real real Sam? Believer. Favor. Seventy joke. The baber. Just in the. We are, you know, the stuff with a lot less and the first your fam- tells about the relevant fauria. He picks the suffer from these poll animals like the beaver. Soft funds. My cat like has not saucer. Fine example him races always being assholes. Fashions became popular. So did the for a certain animals to extinction? Because of hat. Yeah. The big traders tribe of of America, presumably, I mean, it would have to treat to get rid of Olea source of the bacteria. This whole Bogart. Cam shows is a huge bow. That was used to separate the for it looks like massive wooden violin bow since this claim the fair and helped break up into bits to then turn into felt extremely clever table also. Awesome safely fascinating. Like like who discovered? This summum assign Nash at one day with a beaver and Abell and was like I could totally make this into a half. Was we will a little bit further on in the Garrett. We come to Domi ever man Perennials for. So he's right commentary talk hearts, and I can't stop look if museum domain freak me out. This is no way in like today with Hans book museum to Tomase scared. Absolute. To the night. My mom waistcoat meetings occurred. She's probably didn't stuff to minimum. Mentally is the KOMO live at night. Cutouts child abuse. Get in trouble for that. Now, I can imagine when we walk away his his head just. Buckling. Museum. Do you work museum? You make these horrible scary things if you're gonna horror stories museum, dummies contactors toys podcast on both Facebook and Twitter. On just treat one hood down to. Very intense. I'm surprised how labor intensive making. Yes. But it's just like the guilty. Now, does it all at something? I've left on a bus. I've been through many hats off a couple of hats stolen, my first hat that that you've actually got one of stairs. It's a it's a it's a burger deport pie. While you got upset. I was in a charity shop with a friend of mine. Polly. Lineup. For tennis. You all that suit? Utopic? I think I'm going to buy a jacket for a wedding. And I bought this put a hat on was inseparable from it and excess malarkey my comedy club in the early days. Somebody needed Londono probably stuck in traffic Colonel treasured that that's when I then had a series of hats, you know, kept up hat since we actually made the Manchester Evening News once because my heart stolen from ex- excess malarkey on I was really annoyed about it. Which sought we saw the Guidon make off with it. But it turns out he actually done it as a jape, and he took photographs of the hats at various different Manchester locations and sent them to his and then returned the hat. I was in the dark by. So I not taking it in the spirit that was intended. And I got an I was very angry. And I I now applaud the guy for having done something in the spirit of Jaipur. I felt slightly guilty. I've been faced about it. Is because of that. I my first the I don't know who the perpetrator was if they stole it, and they wear and they love it. I suppose I can never that. But I suspect they ski what you're a good story. I think we've quit. Feeling museum was the perfect place to bring Toby knowing does he wear hats. He loves hats. He's got great. How stories and of course, a good doctor who has story. I wanted a doctor audio adventure with Tom Baker of we were all in the studio. Recording are bits at I came back. I Tom Tom Baker with standing there laughing to himself just amusing himself throwing coins into my at that. What's the flaw? We would observe for an eye, and I didn't know what to do because there was about to quit in there. And I knew that he was just doing it fun, and he was amusing himself because that's what makes part of me. But I would never throw this money away because it's been doctor whose money, and I'm sure Tom can spare to parents fifty. But at the end of the day to to Tom Giorgio tuba, we all thank you very much partners. I bet it'd been fine. If I take it, and I could have gone that Tom baker's two pounds fifty. But but I gave it back. Not too don't money. He's not some well good things in frames. The weirdest thing I have in a frame. Oh, I'll tell you. We've got a panic button in a frame, Shirley. My other half has a frame with just a red button. That says panic that was what I was saying just before we came in. We did with the highest. We wanted it to be an interesting house for people to come to that people would even if they just left with a smile on their face do time snappy sound inside times out. What do you think? Now, we being hand for my our and stone the ground floor was still in the prices of making hats, but we've not stayed in an actual hat yet. Yeah. The freaky. We've held off. We were very good. Gets Stoff must triumph. Josh last show. I wasn't expecting that though also will be behind. Pint glass, like the panic button listening to tourist podcast on alternative Torey skies with the funniest people on the planet and may Elizabeth terminal. Thank you, sir. Cheers. Cheers. We walk upstairs around the first floor of the museum aka floor. And it really is a gallery of hats all different ones in so many cabinets like the first when we come to gorgeous ones in nine other ones. It see on ladies the racist. Linen about this starts Laurie. Search the toys podcast because let's keep years listener informed. Some millenary. Is more the lady side shit. Can it's like everything. Oh, seminaries more. What what we're looking at. Now, there's lettuce cauliflower cauliflower. How extraordinary by did. Hawkin is beaded with glass beads, and I'd sort lives and quills on race. That's from two thousand and five. Literally looks like a miniature collie. There's a fruit salad Pavlova patisserie miniature hat precursory glass and plastic beads on a synthetics vase, I prefer bit more abstraction in my design. That's I mean that quite literally that looks like a Pavlova can't go this one from nineteen fifty hotel hat. You don't do this anymore? When I go out. I don't like where Tillerson in the hat. I mean, this refinery and just I'm just yearning for this to come back. Yes. Well, it's I've started wearing our tire all the time. Now, just because I feel it's nice to make the effort where waistcoats anyways to where we got a lot. But I do like a short sleeved cardigan. Sleeve? Yes. So this this is a cardigan with this is like it's like a tank top. Yes. But I was wearing jacket. So you don't get attempt. Perfect. But it means I'm not don't get overheated now. But I am am snug around the Mitchell, I'm insulated. Ferry waste very I like, very waistcoat. I'll take very waistcoat to his sporting a lovely furry westcote today. If is not quite told enough to pull off hats. Whereas I'd like to be in fact, all the clothes. I like, I don't think I'm quite tall enough to quite pull off my brother's only little bit taller than me. But he's got much better posture, and he always looks very well turned out as I shuffle along like I've spent the night in a hedge. We souffle along to try them bit. And the big kids we get a bit carried away. Which are you gonna go for I cut it up? That's great. Looks like a defated souffle though, when you're it's a health and safety around this people, I suspect the authorities turn a blind die. Beyond the hat triumph bit. A so many more hats some groups together in themes religious hats. That's how from different countries. Basically, there's a love who and war and all that has come in from be right now, which is pres list for podcast so very montage including terrorist podcasts. Third. Mention of ABRAHAM LINCOLN. Just six episodes without hashtag, Abe. Bull own my. I can say rabbit on Gora. I think you'd have to be pretty stylish to carry that one on. Let's like that's another sort of furry one. Isn't it feathers operate with issues a Jain almost I mean, you look like an enormous Tokes to look at this say tongues that on average which is the best of them because it's like a big decorated plate the universal everyone. Every country's quite version of a store all hours mostly one by Marie stances. The American top hats on call SAM's neighborhood. But with the with the stars and stripes on it. Getting this person could get away with the steps, and you need a a balcony and an Pap swinging chair purposes. Shotgun on your lap and under distaste for anything happened after nine hundred twenty especially if it involves black people. We worked passed a stone in native American headdress in the rule of feathers decoration. Thinking where all the other village people. That's fireman. Firemen now the pill. That was the letter biker wasn't the. Oh, yes. Yes. Perplexed about the hamster. Keep uniforms is true. This is where her stowed not Molo pillbox on circus people recall them ringleaders. And of course, I've ringmaster, but that's very that's very gender-specific. Isn't it? I wonder if the circus is of become woken you have to have ringleader. That's at least woke play. We don't yet the Pacific. We still make as dance I do like a Biggles helmet. Look that the something about those. I think it's part of the fiction of it as well. But lesser there's always something rather appealing about leather. I have to say. Abs- knocker there. Frightened myself. No. It's a good interview. They can start saving even knew with bubbling beneath the surface. And in a cabinet towards the Packer. The gallery of hats. We come across a collection of really small, hats and wonder before these tiny these bond sire Clemente house for Dole's. I'd say offer babies or our let's see baby top power love to see a boat. That would be pretty cool. So demonstration pieces. So you're not using too much material, but giving an example of the hat. That you could have you could that guy Verne Troyer he would be able to go around to give you don't need these anymore. I can have pets because he would be the only person they were fit again this place. Really just thinking about hats next as display of celebrity hats, well, faith, liberty in the loosest term. It's quite an eclectic bunch of celebrity hats in Prunelli scales by Fred Dibnah, Ainsley Harriet, Danny Minogue, Robson green Alexi Sayle and Dame Judi Dench. I mean that appear lineup for celebrity get field and it. Already bathe in. I pay pay could see that. Unto the side of that because they couldn't fit every single famous persons in that cabinet. There's a huge list is massive spouse. Tolls may, and it's got every famous hat wary. You could possibly think of is interesting how they put people together. So boy George's next to Malcolm works for Georgia that were ticket. Dr Who DR who was well, which would summed up to fans that would be enough to make them walk from the building. Right now. And then they would have left. Yup. Yup. Absolutely war got on some sort of spree in. Mr. potato head ally dish in this is a good list Cheik with our Frank Spencer Fidel Castro I love that. When nearly at the end of the huge cowrie of hats. And there's a lot of hatch to take in when we leave here will be thinking about all the people like we'll be thinking about opposite about how a good couple of hours out of this. Yes. Well, no, nothing. You see because you take things in your stride. It's anyone you falls down to the providence all the basics of them that you you look at them in in a slightly different light. Lately. I always come out of museum failing feeling like I've learnt off. And I feel really good like. I don't know. I'm trying to say that. I don't feel sad that it's sometimes leave me seem feeling not that this is not how is any more. Both at this. This is nothing anymore. The same thing. What butchers like a weird thing understand that the people because there's a dedication to artisan ship are not immediately. But I know what you mean about butchers in these people that know the product that they're doing they they are experts in it. I admire anybody this passion about anything, even if an especially if it's sort of part of their their job, if your work is something that you take pride in in this increasingly disposable, that's something that should be cherished. We wind our way to the gift. Shop entrance fairness here. Some here little blow can shop trying on hats. We are stairs. Now butler. We started in the gift shop, and I don't know about you. I love of music shop. It was the best poverty school trip. I agree rubber realizing actually fridge magnet was an affordable. But Pirka gift and Toby has his eye on that hat that reminds him of his very first half hour one in by the hat on their own as interesting is that is my I know the one I bought as charity shop, but it was ten pounds. But that would have been in about nine hundred ninety four so twenty eight pounds of nations probably quite reasonable reasonable. If I get in trouble. If I came with a hat joy when it might be that it's it's best left in the past. I don't know. Off the shelf and tries on she's monsters to small fans, the some the law in the back. I have this one in the box. You can buy it to kill Hawaii with at while. Sam looks in the back for Big Hat, the blow China on the hats comes up to us and tells us that the hat works gift. Shop is one of the best places to buy a hurt. I pushed you. Tens out. This guy's musician. And hats are his thing. Like the ads all light. Fred. Your your vision? But I wear those really taking. Some comes with the biggest side half Tober to try on. I like it. Visit did it would it certainly ninety ninety four. Now, I'm old, and I should put away childish things. Angle to it. Yeah. I like it. I think what. Yup. Yup. Okay. I'm gonna buy a hat. Is it tax deductible as fucking? Same in the scene win the gift shop of this museum. We've now got happens. Attention Fiona listings was some this the story behind this is this is this. This is my first everhart I bought from charity shop in thousand nine hundred four to go to a wedding, my sister's wedding, and it got stolen about three or four years later from under chair in a pub, and I are the hats to replace it. But not one like that coming in here and doing this the first thing I saw was that it seemed seemed appetite steam. What if that's the service you offer some state, I'm gonna have a steam tat how excited I'm excited. Foyer. Yes. Some stay very nice to meet you. What's your name? Delta over. Be we follow some to get tabbies Newhouse themes and save by to happen. She dealt was really cool. I'd like to be called. Really q- tell us. Cool. Gelato grads was cool. That's how I mentioned. I would be never around psalms in here. We've come to watch steam the hut. Some I've never seen a hat steaming before backstage in work, and there's lots of wooden block. There are lots of wooden blocks actually in the military of hot wax, where you can learn how to make hats, they run on socks, of course, as much shops just had had works website to find out more. Look. So we've got this device to sort of bottle of potluck water on it. And then like a kettle. Now, some optimum steaming temperature. And this contraption always steaming. Bespoke treatment here, I don't have a hat brush could brushes. I mean, that's terrible. Where no such a thing. I'm just a rank amateur really. It's like it's like these young people who say I love Dr Who. And then it turns that I haven't watched any of it was made before two thousand five professional hat wear is probably walk past docket the angle he's wearing that. That's just a rookie era. That is. Yeah, he should a license for wearing Hattie should have it. Revoked fam- steaming sashes over anti hands warm. So be love the locker or not as much improved in shape around the top condensation publication on the inside gonna say hats on top. I like it strictly speaking, it's not lineup some paid for it. I will go and cross their palms with Silva. Thank you very much for that. Sam that's above and beyond the call of hospitality. It's not it's like a missing piece of jigsaw puzzle. I've found. Found down the back of the sofa after twenty years. I'm going to pay for this. I didn't know I'd come away with property. I'm excited. Right bill. Thank you very much of aimlessly. Yeah. Thank you very much. Awkwardly leave how lex by both of getting in one slice of the revolving door. We get the same one. Revolving door. I'm back on the street outside the museum in Stockport. Tell me about your your morning afternoon. Growth is interesting. How funny I've gone back to the beginning to my very first at that started off, and I forgotten it was for my sister's wedding. I must have got into a shop with my friend Polly to get something smart for my sister's wedding and came out with a hat that started the ball rolling. But it's interesting how we thought about all sorts of other things not only the manufacturer occurred to me at all. I thought we might be looking at the history of hats, different designs of ATs. But also, then the something like this happens Eum, represent which is a thing that if we're not careful when going to have because even though we've both very much enjoyed it. We've I've never you never been before. I've never been before. That's very interesting part of our psyche is that we sort of treasure stuff that we don't necessarily use. But it's existence makes us feel slightly better about our selves. And I'm not sure what I make of that. Well, it's a something as simple as a hat something. That is something that is. It's not necessary. Although it's useful to temps keeping your head will, but it represent so much more. If you on many things in life down to the basics actually revealed to not be basic tool and extremely complicated. And extremely eclectic with the rich and interesting history. Something as simple as a hat. You're talking to the guy who hadn't noticed the chimney. Every time we come into Paul. I it's it is actually a lesson in that. We don't have to look too far to find stuff. That's really really interested. Terrorist on your doorstep is all this this is about so you recommend people consume works installed on what love the server people work in museums. At nicer, they are sick is the thing, that's lovely. And again, some who who wasn't a how to fish. You're not become one. They would just very friendly and very nice on your doors. And I definitely recommend people to come. Because it's because it's interesting, but we only skim the surface. I mean, there was plenty to read that we didn't read as we will broadcasting could come again and still still learn some stuff, and as I say, I think I'd expected just an array of hats and got got a got a lot more. And it's very nice. It's obviously very lovingly lovingly put together in preserve. Thank you say much terrorist. It's been a very, great pleasure. Thanks for having me tea. I hope we've inspired to together and buy a lovely hats. How work is open cheesed eight Sunday and cost just five pounds per adult and kid with an adult get in for free. Find out everything today with hat works on their website. Now Koby you can see him every choose day in Manchester. He compares his own comedy night called access malarkey, and I love excess. It's run by a bunch of good ax attended by opponent to good acts. And it's not very often that you get say that about a comedy club if Tuesday's or indeed Manchester the bit difficult fear, you can follow Toby in a non stroke rely on his Twitter at Toby Hedo or to get the non abridged version head to his website. Toby Haydock dot com. Enjoy your trip. Wchs. Tell us we're all over Twitter and Facebook, just search poorest podcast. Over maybe you've taken a trip to one of the destinations. We've been team as a result of listening to an episode of tourist like, John Cox. Did he got in contact on Twitter after listening to the last episode with the search upon he tweeted us to say that he finally being John Ryland library after walking past it for so many years. He took a phone tweets and said he was so thick finally inside it. So again fine on Twitter. Facebook tourist podcasts. You're wonderful. 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Episode 21: A Shot At the Title

UnInfluenced

1:28:16 hr | 7 months ago

Episode 21: A Shot At the Title

"For joining uninfluenced. And y'all need to go check out mic. Drop the one with the hot chick. It's a really really good episode. I was. I enjoyed the shit out of it and listened to almost all of them. Especially since we've been friends. No and then i've listened to some further back but i've listened to all of them and it was very entertaining guests. Yeah helen hell of a host. I mean yeah. Yeah oh that guy. Now that do i mean he's like a shit. Ask some more hard hitting questions you do. The split or she wouldn't fuck around with magadan. Can you show me naked. Just kid reads. The book asks about it ridiculous. Oh come on saturday or something. I pulled up. I'm like you actually read all these books. Yeah yeah. I mean it's a i will say that that most books i read All of them. If it's a military book i'll skip certain parts of their military experience. Just because that's the one thing we can. Just because i'm so familiar with it if i read it a all already have a lot of understanding of it and i would rather not know going into like i wanna know everything else about the book so You know there are certain portions of if they're military guys with books that i'll i'll skip but i'll still read most of it any other books. You read the whole fucking thing and make notes and whatever and i. It's funny. I've never been much of a reader Not that i don't enjoy it You know it's not my favorite thing to do. I don't dislike it just not something. I spent a lot of time doing historically but in the last three years ago in the podcast. Now almost I've read more books in the last three years than probably the whole rest of my fucking life and And have gotten fairly good at at being ella. Read them pretty fast. You know because. I am usually having to read them in two days a day or two days. Three maybe at the most and and sometimes like the way that the schedule staggered. I'll have to read like two or three books and fucking a week and a half you know and it just it's fucking kind of exhausting but But it's important you know again like they put that. Can i know you know knowing what it takes to write a book like one of the things that really pissed me off his coming on somebody show and you can tell haven't read the book you know like they're asking you really fucking basic questions that they wouldn't be asking if they had read it. You know type stuff. Sometimes i'll ask a question. That i know is in the book but i wanna i want them to talk about it but but it's it's pretty easy to tell when somebody hasn't redder not yellen so i try. My god does not to do that. Because it's fucking irritating. Yeah that was a very engaging interview. It deserves a lot more using. It's getting so all you assholes over there and view it and if you're a fan of mic drp in you're listening this you haven't done you fucking but i. I was very impressed by the either. You go for those audiobooks us at all. I don't do anything. That's based on book right. It doesn't pictures won't read it back. I won't even read a menu. This in the picture i want. Whatever the fuck that shit. Cross the way that guy's got i'll take it. Yeah i i have to those spell. I'm not an audio book guy. Either the my books have have been done in audio book but This this next one. That's coming out here. The summer probably probably be summer. I'm actually gonna read do the reading for no nice. That'd be good. Yeah unless you can get a for black dirt or does a bunch oregon freeman morgan jones. Maybe yeah you can get one of them to do it. I mean the cost. I'm not help. Him morgan freeman. I'm sure it's like twelve million. God damned jew. Watch the new coming to america yet. I've watched about half of it. Ju say the part with him in ohio. It's fucking money. Yeah the it's kinda sad like I know it's been thirty some odd years. It's been but god damn some of the people that are the original characters just like holy shit. I mean again. Like i know it's been thirty years. You should look way fucking older. Yeah especially if you're in your thirties then But goddamn like some of them just like holy shit like fucking mummy now. No but then you got our senio and fricken Eddie eddie murphy. They don't really look that old. And i mean they look older. We're they still look good. Yeah yeah you can tell when you get wealthy. Yeah i mean they're on. Hgh fucking shero plastic surgery and personal shifts and all that kind of shit but yeah engine. Black don't crack as i say. Don't say i know you guys to say but i'm honest. I know what i'm about. Yeah yeah because we're on camera. Hey man says something about fat people. Fat don't crack baby face over here. Thanks guys zone show to go. Hang out to dry okay. All right say these texture going this week. No what should we cut during the show. Zach being a racist fuck. Yeah leave it i will. I mean it's complimentary for fuck sake. Looks drew designing negative. Listen it will be. Somebody will figure out a way to make that name somebody my neighbor next way black new cool as hell and they're walking. We're talking about just random bullshit and he. He brought up the racism. Shit out here. We go is where i lose a fucking neighbor. They're like okay but it turned out. He's like you know what pisses me off. All these mother fuckers set in the people like me back five steps he said. I can't even tell funny. Why jokes anymore. That's racist he said in a black man nowadays can't tell a black joke because it's fucking reverse. Racism is how the fuck work any wrong. It's hard to step on toes nowadays. Yeah stalled on them. Host yeah really brick some football cleats on just runaround story about a medal. Spot talkers told you not to fucking shit. Hey i saw something on. I forty five. Houston's weekend motorcycles driving is the guy behind him look like he was in some kind of leader car. he's received that it was. It was a suv and it was riding behind him same. Yeah what is that. 'cause it's carrying extra tires and parts and show. They're probably doing some like nationwide ride or something like the three of them were all l. matching stuff in the car to bumper sticker but then later on the road. The car got pulled over a ticket and then like an exit later. The three guys were parked like sit on the shoulder. Text each other. I was like that sucks. yes now. that's not. That car can't be relied too. And i was like i don't know i feel like yeah. They do that with bikes car. In the baxter. Yeah i haven't. I know matt's done some long rides. Longest i've ever ridden in one stretch about two hours Just because i've been riding along the right but I i will hear. I'll be doing a ride. I think down to san antonio with with clint here in a couple of weeks. I think that'd be nice. Big toll x eighty five out there. Yeah you hall hit motorcycles. Don't have no speed lee. Yeah that is weird. Like i've flown the fuck by some cops and it's like they don't seem to give a fuck on a motorcycle. I don't get what that is. That is weird. I mean like i. I do faster than i should. Pass the fucking police station every time and most times. There's a dude sitting. There doesn't give a fuck like it's like they. I don't know. I don't know what it is. If you're a cop and you listen. Can you shed some light on that. 'cause curious yeah that's good to talk about to go right. Yeah like what the hell. I guess they think you're runnin. Lines it now not on that fucking bike but on a sport bike. Yeah sure is as our last guest. Yeah eluded to net shocking Straight upset like i run from and they never catch you which to me is just fucking dicey man it Yeah you know about running. The cubs quite a bit athlete. The fifth one to three or four. How long it. It statue statute of limitations. But it's been ten years. It's been ten years. Yeah you're alright now back when i used to go to the sonic runs and shit. Yeah over offer six thirty five. Every thursday we fucking ran from cops. We'd go look for him to run from him all right. So what does that mean. They light up behind you. Just take off. Yeah that's it. Yeah and they can't catch you. Can't they won't catch a bike for sure. Yeah i had a buddy. I'm going to say his name but because he probably still does this ship he pulls up looks at me and to our friends that were cops. Were sitting there all talk and bullshit and and he says hey. Hang on real quick. I'm gonna go run from this garland cobby back and five and he pulls out doesn't really pass the garland copper at their own northwest and gets the cop to chase him. And we're sitting there this motherfucker and no bullshit. Five ten minutes later. He walks up behind this. Which i'll do. I didn't even see you. He came in through the back way while. Oh yeah they were gone has been nana's yeah it's it's not even a competition the funnest parts from the box. Well i mean those fucking big heavy but they can keep up and those those can ride. Yeah if you can get away from them motherfucker doing something. Yeah what's the i on cop cars what is it. What do they have won. Fifty five at one fifty five. I think it is but a lot of times Especially like if it's in a residential area. They won't j. shoe because they're you know they don't wanna hit a kid or a fucking pedestrian or whatever select few drought on the highway. And you turn in and go through neighborhoods and shit. They'll they'll stop. Stop fucking chasing him. And i'm not saying that's a good idea. But but i've seen guys re running from cops saying another guy that wasn't running from cops but his buddy ram from a cop. Why didn't see it. I heard about it and went to the funeral. His buddy ran for him and he stopped and a rookie. Didn't know what the fuck was happening. So he rams dude on the back which is a huge no no for a cop to bike and a hit the deutz already just died on impact. Oh shit lost his job this shit out of department because the dashcam backed up. What everyone is saying. He didn't run. he just stopped. I mean he wasn't even doing anything wrong to get the lights thrown on him. He just pulled over to let lee way. Yeah it was a bad deal. what are you looking at. If you get caught by the cops when you run most of the time they're going to throw you in jail they're gonna take you're right and i mean you get evading. I mean they've taken once you start running yes once. It's obvious you're running the main they can get you for. How many times. You didn't use your blinker. That they saw they can get you for speeding through so many counties sure thing issue man it just they start pollen shit up. It depends how bad they wanna get you. Right how pissed they are like off. I mean the coolest job i ever had. I went to leave mall shop. And i had some guys just got their backs and they're following their some of them. They would have done whatever i would have done. And i'm hauling ass and pass the mosquito camaro that they had for chasing people pass hits a lot. I was doing one twenty. There was no way of again that he was catching me. But had those guys behind me who hadn't been writing so i'll pull over in the cops like for org pullover. I like dude. They just started riding. If iran is like okay cool you now faster on said i think it was sixty five like now platforms to he said. Give me one reason why you're actually go to jail as my daughter's birthday parties tomorrow would i be out in time. Probably not so. He goes baggy. Writes me a ticket for one. Twenty and sixty five ship. And i was like okay cool. I'm not gonna say shit. So i put that fucking ticket. You know you've got the spot and your wallet where you put your money. You don't want nobody find and shit like that. Now forget about tickets. Oh and when i went to jail for contempt of court they found the ticket. Yeah that was an extra day. I got to spend in jail. Not sox good times. Yeah so we'll get to some of these knock customer viewer and listener questions. We've been getting a lot of them from patriot. And like i said in the last one. We're still going to do this. I've just been really busy but as the shows as we prepare more and have more topics. I'm not going to answer. Every one of them. Yeah even now. I can't do it. There's a lot people. Multiple people have asked why we won't talk about our watches because we stole them because they're fake. Yeah they're fake they're to me. I guess there's just way less to talk about. You know what it is like. It's an ass watch. My wife bought my watch. I would never buy it for myself. So she bought it for me then. I had sex with her. But in that order in that exact order in the jewelry stores fucking awkward as hell talk about the third time. I got arrested and then mike has a watch and then tells time. And what do you wanna know. I guess what do you want to know about it like for people are. I guess they want to know what they are. That gray market are neither of them are gray market manufacturing. We bought him from the same drawer. special order. I got mine probably a year. Before i met you and then mike mentioned he wanted one and they ordered one. Yeah that's pretty much it. Yeah i may not do like watches. And i mean you get really dorky talking about watches in the matt season. Yeah right. I mean i have. I mean like yeah we can get into how how many jewel movement the new fucking twenty twenty rolexes. Compared to the old model is true. I have four or five high end watches and then three cheap watches and only really were two of them while we're at three one. When i'm working i wear one of moss was watches and one my other to switch back and forth wears feeling aware where every fucking day i mean. If you're going to spend that kind of money should be able to wear. Yeah i mean to me it's kinda the same Well it's less of a or. I say i'd say it's more more of a dilemma or redundancy. I guess Than cars is that you know. It's like with cards cycle. Fuck five one. That i like driving. When am i gonna drive. The other talked about for me watches is even more that way like you can only wear one at a time so you never seen it. When i'm wearing all of them must have missed that shit. I wish i had seen it. I'm too cheap to get a wander. So we're all at that one fucking ankle. Yeah so to me. It's like a one nice watch and and that's it and this is i. I had so it's a black sub mariner Just the basic one. It's not like matt's fancy batman watch but I had one back in the mid to thousands. That i bought myself after a deployment and then i sold it. When i started my businesses. I was trying to collect as much working capital as i could. And then you know a decade later. I was like you know what i think. It's come full circle. It's always been kind of my favorite nice watch There's a lot of other ones out there. But for me this is just kind of the classic timeless fucking watch and i really like it and so i got my cell phone this past christmas and we talked about rewarding yourself for the hard work you know and you put in shitloads at work and from what i hear used or not reward yourself too much use to make sure the business was well taken care of at me for for years. I didn't do any fucking thing. I could have gotten us watched years ago or some of the cars or whatever but Yeah i just. I i knew you know long term wise that it needed to be at a certain point before i felt comfortable doing that. Yeah and i can't afford one some bought me my. That's it's the gmt batman whatever that is actually bad men watch. Yeah it's an action like if you go on have a hawk which is the sub mariner hoc. Yeah those mitchell of greenham. Yeah they have a pepsi. Used to be the coca cola. Now it's the pepsi. Maybe it's backwards threaten. Yeah maybe that's the that's the pepsi. I don't remember there's a pepsi and coca-cola but they switched the batman. There's a few others. I can't remember all of them. But what's cool about them. They're hard to get. Yeah pain in the ass. But they're both of us. Were the hell. Mind scratched all to hell. I'll work on the box in them and shit. We gotta look good. We're on the bike. We'll mile mega. I wear a lot. That's my celebration for leaving my wife Yeah then the other one i have. I got to where. I was tired of the i have three old school. Like seko's and shit like that and there were quite a bit of money. But i got tired. Replace him batteries and never fails. I use actually use my watch to tell time you know not my phone and it never fails. I'd be laid at shit somewhere. Because i'm looking at my watch the battery and i'm a this bullshit. I thought i was early. So i gotta cheaper an hour or oars f one watch which was tested for the g. forces of an f one car damn an hour it. Oh it's cheaper cheaper watch but it's still expensive. I mean but it's but the beauty is dude of plumbed houses of worked on car built sand gas tapped ass like monster hidden all the geez at least two seconds at jeez today have a steel seal team gossip standard. Watch the make you wear it. Well don't make you wear one but What's interesting the tutor watch which is I'm not intimately familiar with the background on it. But i think it's it was made by rolex for a period of years back in the late seventies early eighties ish and for a number of years Somehow the seal team managed to convince themselves slash the supply department slash the budget in committees that allocate funding that they needed tutor dive watches as standard issue. And so for yeah for like a several year period. Check into a seal team. You get issued basically fucking rolex and So there's guys that are still still rockin which is fucking brilliant after that the switch to the casio g shock and that was kind of your standard watch for a long time now. I don't know if they still do that or if they do like. Garmin compass watches. Or or what. I know as i was leaving the operational side of the seal team's again back in the mid two thousand They were issuing. Both you know you'd get the g. Shock he'd get garmon. Compass watches have altimeter barometer fucking. Gps on all sorts of shit smarter watches. And i'm sure they're still still doing that. Yeah wonder if that's why g shock came out with a smart watch now. Probably they have a smart watch in an automatic. They'd just released them this year. But i mean it makes sense. 'cause if they want to get in on that back on that contract of military contracts are huge for sure they arm and the one thing i will say you know. Providing watches for the seal team's it like for a company that size. It's more about being able to say that they do. Yeah than it is the actual numbers. You're talking a few thousand which to them is nothing. Yeah but with my stupid journey into the scopes guns here lately. I saw what schmidt and benders contract is a holy fuck ya i mean with like everybody's trying to be you know we supply conceal teams the ranger battalions or odi as or whatever with their fill in the fucking blank whether there shoes boots. They're fucking you know whatever like anytime company can say. We supply the us navy seals with their acts. Like that's a huge selling point. Marketing thing so i always find it weird and again taste. I guess when you're looking at scopes because all the multiple radicals same with raffles how each sf uses something totally different. You know you'd be like oh shit. They're using leopoldo loophole. Wherever the fuck you wanna say summer using not for some reason this site. I mean some of them for sure. Use the same stuff but to me. The what's neat about. Most special operations communities is the autonomy that they have you know they all fall under jay sock but they all have the ability in the independence from one another to kind of choose whatever they want you know. So i mean it whether it's weapons or night vision or or whatever many others there's kind of the same pot to pick from as it relates to to all the gear but you can you can pick and choose kind of whatever the fuck you on a us which is nice. Yeah because some people have personal preferences and for shit matters especially when you're saving your life any other people's lives. Yeah the one. The one reason that You know i think a lot of times people probably don't think about it from the standpoint but like if you're going on a mission at it is generally a good idea to have everybody carrying the same one or two types of ammo So that you can use each other shit one guy goes down or whatever you know one guy runs out or you know. Yeah you're like you typically would have 'em fours and sixty gunners you'd have belts of seven six two and then you'd have thirty round magazines of five five six words of every fucking dudes carrying a different caliber. Fuck you know different weapon or whatever then that gets a little fucking messy that way but so but you know within within the scope of the mission there very well may be guys carrying different shit you know snipers may have one platform your point manner entry guys may have a small you know three hundred blackout. The other guys may have 'em fours you know whatever paddlers are usually gonna do. Mp sevens or something you know small as well so there is some variants but But they try to keep it. I think a little bit consistent so you don't run into that problem. Which a smart that. Yes jacob atlas wants to know why they don't get pictures when we're talking about certain things in he says keep sucking zach. So i got an answer for this. Actually i did try to do this. Once one time retirement h aliens. I try to throw up a picture of something going on it's doable. It is doable to do live do while. We're doing the show. I just need like a little more desk space and probably a second screen. So i can see what the hell i'm going to put on before it just goes on on us. Yeah so you don't do that in the post editing process you do it i can. And sometimes they do last episode Which hasn't gone out as a recording. This one I said i would. I would try to put a put. Blurt out dick under matt points totally in there. Yeah I don't get. I know you told me to do it. And i i did. It's good challenge. I i can't do it. You should catch me wanting now but we talk about a lot of stuff throughout the show. And i'd rather do it as we're doing it. Ideally i'd like to have a tv or monitor something so i put it on you guys when the new thing happens. Yeah yeah you can have a fucking defcon five sitting at the new nuclear fucking station's which is right and you eight computers and two keys or and have to put it in the same time gotta turn on personal integrity. That's right you're just asking for all kinds of bullshit. You're not gonna you know. I i agree i yeah. We're on some some things in the back and we'll make take it old school gym milwaukee minute a microphone yellow one record. Now get the one from home alone or home alone to the talk. Get going through some of these questions. We got yeah now something. I'd like to do not have the means to immediately greg abbott. Trying to do all. I'm looking through these questions No greg abbott trying to greg. Abbott did a deal where he signing into law prohibiting social media from censoring texans. Wait a second. I don't know how you make that happen either. Yeah but sure. Greg great idea. So here's here's the problem with that is that in this is consistent with all social media platforms. Here's the reality is that all of these platforms are owned by by private individuals either a single entity that's a majority shareholder that started it e a guy like jack dorsey and twitter Or any of the other ones The reality again is is those. Those people are in control of how they run that business. That's the bottom line like you know. Unfortunately free speech doesn't really apply to that an and i'm not saying i'm a fan of that i'm not I think it sucks. But that's the fucking. The technicality of of of what we live in is that you know. If you start a company you get to run it however you want and consumers can vote with their wallet you know and so to me. It's no different than forcing You know a bakery to bake a cake for a gay couple if you force a company to censor or not censor or whatever then then. You're doing the same fucking thing and again. It's this is me saying this from a place of. I don't like that. They do the way they do it. I think that it's fucking lame you know but to me that that is where we have an opportunity as the rest of the country in an open and free and fair market That that should be based on capitalistic. Principles is that start. Start one and beat them at it. You know and be the platform that you wanna see you know You know unfortunately that's where we're at as they get to do if they want you know so. Well well i. I like where abbots heads at in terms of trying to protect. You know texans who can freedom of speech. The fact is that you're you're still trying to dictate to a private entity outer on their fucking business. And i don't agree with that either. So but juicy who is starting their own social network. Jt yup really. It's happening fucking out here about this. Hold on what are the deeds. We're all thanking next month. Or something launches. I don't know. I don't know when i heard that it was happening. Yeah like they. They released the press release on it two nights ago. Yeah shine reach yet. Yeah oh. I'm going to be all on that bitch. I heard some yeah. I heard some rumors back in the day they were. They were talking with parlor behind the scenes. Do something the way it sounds like the the frame work and all that they're already because they're talking. Yeah i think said four to six weeks it'll be live and you ain't gonna build that kind platform unless you've been working on that platform for a while. Yeah so what happened was he probably got pissed with all the censoring going on. Vonk or someone in the background was like fuck this and they went and i mean to to me. I think it's the inconsistency that pisses most people off you know to to ban sensor shut down you know the the forty fifth president of the united states twitter account because of inflammatory language. But you let other world leaders maintain accounts that talk about. Just a mean horrible fucking shit. You can't censorship as long as you. Let wop play on your mother fucking any type. I mean again like all ultimately it's their prerogative down how they want but you know t to me. It's the inconsistency that pisses people off percent but to me like if you're pissed than stop using it you mean and and either find a different one or develop a different one or just. Don't use the shit. Yeah you know like you don't have to have twitter and instagram and facebook in your life. You don't you know if you choose to use it. Guess what you you agree to play by their fucking rules. And that's the way it works. I mean that's the sad sad truth. Yeah that my instagram facebook and most any of the companies that right now i'm in charge of the social media which by the way if you follow any of those i'm sorry i don't update that much but that's because i don't use it that much right my literally what i do is i go on there and be like. Oh that's cool are shit might pose a something like that. Oh shit look at that car senate to my. Oh look at them titties. Oh yeah look at the. Td's boom send that to mac and then say you should be my friend on instruments. Teddy picks. I'm your front on instagram. Be mandates but they're still get unless you're shifts like tyler's find your shit. That kid needs new username. My god you know. Normally you can tap in. The person's may names it'll pop up. Yeah now it's like a an auto generated password from apple. It's all kinds of drivers sixty nine or something insane. Never figure out it was him now. It's fucking nuts. So jen porter. Huge fan of mic drop put on patriots. She's a huge fan of might grab her only problem now after finding an influence which one to listen to how can both. Yeah well jin. The beauty is we. Don't record at the same time nor do we drop them at the same. It's right so you can listen to both my drops on mondays on on wednesdays it's over and over and over man put that shit on a closed loop. Yeah in your house and just keep listening. Yeah or you could be like my wife and just play in the background and mucus and be like. Oh yeah no honey. I watched it. Would we talk about you. Did this thing. Your hands wringing. Yeah did this thing with your hands. I saw was i saying during that. Well you said bitch tyrod ocular cavity said that's still not favorites. Never gets old now. I mean it's it's years old at this point and it's still just as funny. I couldn't believe you hadn't sought before we watched the whole fucking cal. He appeals scotch for anybody. Listening has no idea. we're talking about. Yeah and if you don't i'd say choke yourself but again i until about two months ago i didn't fucking know about it so shows you where i am okay. So this guy's asked a few questions. Can i walk him through Growing up without a father figure. what is what. It's like with our relationships. Our wives and our kids and all that stuff. Well i'm married. My kid hates me Now she just don't talk to me. She's older. she's busy. Raising a kid was hard. I have been through a divorce. And it says i know mr richland is divorced. S very respectful enough. I warrant that respect. But i appreciate it and said i guess zakar matt can answer this definitely matt. Not me mean i don't. There's no sound parenting advice. Because every kid's different. I mean a probably honestly noble shit as much as viewers lack to figure out. When max gonna do this raising a kid would probably be closer to picking dogs and training dogs. 'cause you gotta adapt to each kid and each kid's different like to me. There's basic principles that exist but they're very generic and within those principles you are tweaking and altering all of them to fit the individual that you're trying to raise or train or whatever You know from my standpoint In terms of raising kids. I think you know leading by example setting the example. I again just like we talked about with. The i think the last week's question of like You know how to get rid of the weaknesses in people are the victim mentality or whatever it is that you know the really all you can do is just do your best to be what you want them to to be. Now your shit bag drug dealer fucking scamming unemployment and you know you got thirty kids. Ba- fuck in nineteen different women. Like your kids are going to see that you know or if you would rather fuck said on your phone As opposed to play fucking tag with him at the park when they're five years old they're gonna they're gonna see that you know if you'd rather play video games than fucking go play catch with them out in the yard they're gonna fuck see that and take note of it All of the all of the opportunities that you have to engage with them are opportunities To teach and for them to learn how you want them to be as productive member of society into me like at a minimum. Your goal should be just that as to raise a productive right. And there's an asterisk by that because you know productivity is is relative In a lot of people think they're they're productive when they're really not but at to me like the bare minimum standards should be that. Your child is a net positive on the community that they live in adamant. I'm amanda and it doesn't matter what that net positive is as long as they're bringing something to the fucking table and not dragging the people around them down like that. That's that should be your bare minimum. Yeah this kind of a three part deal so you will get your part on this eck. I wanna touch on that lead. By example i dropped out of school over. Those of y'all who think i'm dumb ass i am I dropped out of school. But i couldn't bitch at my kid if my kids struggled at all and said hey i'm i'm not having fun at school so i'm gonna drop out so i went back to college and got my degree Because i i didn't want her to be able to hold that over my head timeout. You didn't finish we'll fuck you. I did yeah well an- not in her up. Is there more. You want to know another part of that. I want to stress. Because i didn't mention it. lee you know. There's there's two parts to leading by example. One is the obvious that we already talked about is is doing you know walking the walk. Doing what you what you're trying to instill in them but there. There's another part that i think as underutilized and often overlooked And that's realize and understand that you're not going to be perfect and don't don't try or pretend to be perfect. You're gonna fuck up like i fucked up a ton with my kids. The important thing is that when you do that you own that shit because if if you don't again just like every other fucking thing is that they will they will learn that right and they they will learn to point fingers and blame everybody else because you you've done the same thing if when you fuck up i don't answer to you you know i don't need to fucking explain myself to you know i didn't do that. Fucking this. None of your goddamn business like when you take that attitude. You're going to create kids that that have that same fucking mentality so when you make a mistake in rest the fuck assured you will fucking sit down with them and say yeah. I fucked this up. Here's where i should have done better because if you do that then you raise kids that. That now will take accountability for their actions. You know every fucking thing that you do. They're going to pick up on if it's not the right way to fuck and handle things than you're going to be teaching your kids to handle shut the wrong way. It's it's a two sided coin for absolute certain. That's why i recommend everybody. If you have two kids the first one name it whatever you want. The second one's name should be redo two point. Oh yeah and kind of it was the front end of this. How do you pick the right woman to be in a relationship to have kids with and my answer to that is and max may be the same thing. That's that's a hard hard choice because you never know how even you and your wife we're gonna turn out in the eighteen to twenty years. You're raising your kids. You may go different directions so definitely. Don't pick the chick who's getting but asked naked and just ran a train and be like that's going to be my babies momma there. Yeah oh you can't turn a hoe into a housewife which that's incorrect. Have y'all met my new wider not now but It's all about knowing if you and your wife mesh you know you and your girl mesh. But like i said just because you mesh when the baby's born don't mean you're gonna mash when the baby's the kids sixteen twelve ten five shit. Yeah women chained men change and you have a kid. Everything can change. Yeah and it usually does. Yeah you know and you know from my standpoint. Because it's such a crapshoot that way you gotta just base it off of. What is her ass. Look like a one hundred percent the only annot hundred percent and then i mean that's some you i mean you didn't marry your wife. Tom and i am gays with his mother. Fucker no no. No no my wife and i are grimy. Were high school sweethearts. Yeah for ten years. Yes so i don't have a whole lot of dating experience to my wife. It's mostly highschool shed. That explains a lot. Doesn't it though the fact is like why did take me ten years to pop the question because for ten years i didn't know because when i was sixteen i met her. I was really different person. From when i was twenty when i was twenty four holy shit. Different people she's different personality of in person somewhere along the way i was like you know what if you could put up with my shit for ten years and still wanna wake up every day and keep doing it. Maybe i'm doing something wrong. I love you man. Respect for holding a woman without getting married for that long. Yeah we slinging a hog right. Yeah shorts over. Yeah got a limp sometime. We got the wrong shit on my shit. I can't even been this leg. Don't more a motorcycle. I would can burn my dick big time that was. I don't remember that one and then the other question was. Would you whip your kid if they did something wrong. I with belt or anything. I spanked my kids my daughter twice. She was younger. Yeah and i didn't use a belt. Not that i was scared. Use a belt. But i spanked her twice and she learned from those. I figured that it was easier after the spanking and she learned. I sat down talked with her after all that shit goes. I'm gonna tell you right now as a father when my dad used to beat shit outta and tell me this shit hurts worse for me than it for you. You're like yeah sure it does. Yeah but as you get older. I mean and you spank your kid and then you have to look in their eyes that she does so. I can hurt you in a little bit. And that's fucked up. Anyone beat their ass. Yeah what about you one hundred percent. Yes just like with dogs Obviously i always make parallels but The younger they are the more it's applicable because they have A far What's the word i'm looking for In inability to to reason right they don't mean they don't have logic and reason you know even as they get older and a lot of ways but but especially when they're really young they don't they're more like dogs when they're really young you know and so There needs to be consequences but just like with dogs. There needs to be balanced where people make mistakes is when they do it when their emotional They do it when they don't when the child dog doesn't understand why they're being punished and then they also they do more than what is necessary to get the behavior to cease as long as those. Three boxes are checked I'm i'm all for it I spanked my kids a few times when they were when they were young as they got older. Not at all. And i do think there comes a point where where it's not an appropriate response for sure and it's in its i'd say probably around ten were so You know some some kids may be younger than that. Some kids maybe a little older You know but. I think one of the big reasons why you see such a lack of respect In in current generations coming into adulthood is is. There is zero fear of consequence and again just like with dogs. If there's never a consequence they know that you know and they will exploit and take advantage of that and you see that you know you see it with with dogs that run a fucking household and do whatever the fuck they want and you see you know with kids that goethe to high until their teacher get fucked then they you know flip the principal off and grabbed their fucking dick and smoke weed weeden like they. Just don't give a fuck because there's no reason to give a fuck you know and so there has to be balanced good without the context of bad isn't really good so The there has to be a balanced that way Where i think we've gone wrong. As a as a i would say even a culture not even a society because this this transcends just here in the united states every every western culture out there seems to be kind of facing the same thing as like in the nineties is when you know politically political correctness and You know the anti spanking. And you know what have you movements at really came to forefront and like with most things they are an over correction. It's the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And initially it was. It was like yeah. You know. we're doing this to protect kids from being abused. One hundred percent like kids should not be being abused but when you over correct to where now you're you're causing an equally bad problem just in the polar opposite direction. That's not any better you know. And that's where we're at now that you've got kids that You know have absolutely no fucking respect for anybody or anything or whatever and so You know there. There has to be balanced and so You know it's a tough tough issue. I think because so many people think that Like from almost from a virtue signaling stamp like they think that they're doing the right thing And you see that. Allow with dogs. To people at coddle shit dogs thinking while i'm showing them love you known one of the analogies. I use because i see this a lot with with pet dog owners that have dogs. That are just run on the fuck household. You know i say why. Don't you think your dog listens to you. I don't know man. Like i by let him sleep in the bed. I fucking feed him. The the best i rub all over him i let him do it every once right okay. So if you're at the bar and let's say you're a do whatever min especially doodo we'll get this or a woman being in that position you know if you throw yourself at a nineteen year old fuck dude and he has to do nothing to earn that ass. Is he going to like that. Fuck aaa's says he gonna want more of it better fuck and believe he is but is he going to respect you for doing that. Fuck no not in a in so you know with kids dogs with i mean for for anybody. That's in that that relationship position That remains constant. Is that you know. Respect has to be earned in. Sometimes it's tough you know. It's it's a tough love approach. Sometimes you know just like with dogs. There are some dogs and and kids that need very very little physical correction almost none you know yeah or even in some cases none at all like i have come across dogs And i'm sure there's some kids out there that like yeah i. I never needed to ever fucking belt or spank my kid. Not once. And they turned out falcon phenomenal. And that's awesome. Yeah but they're not all that way you know there's some dogs and some kids that sometimes they need their fucking ass kicked you know B because they've gotten themselves into a position where they're taking a shot at the title and and challenging the fuck to you and if you don't you're just gonna going to enable them to be an even bigger fucking problem for everybody else you know so You know like with most things in life get life. You gotta bounce. Yeah that's my kids. She got spanked twice probably before she was ever six and then from then on i could look at her and tell her and just the tone of my voice she would know she fucked. You knew kevin hart eyebrow raise. Yeah what are her. Mom could be do it bitch matter and she just looked like you ain't shit and i'd look not even just look at it and i'm saying you do the same chatter out for me when they were younger. It was the yet snapping. The they'd look and look at them fucking sideways like you sure about that and they wanna fuck with that. Yeah but hell. I have a friend. I think we've talked about it. That was on the show a couple of times. His kids racked and albany said. We just can't get them to stop and they're over here and i was like shit watch. This grabbed his mother. Fucking white ass bachelor lag for mega pancake. Spatula grabbed it. And i said if you don't shut the fuck shit out you about sat down started watching. Tv being stared at it he said. How'd you do this. I mean tone. Thank tent yeah. If they think they're going to get the shit beat out and they see this big ass wide things going to take up their whole ask him. They're scared you don't have to do it. Yeah no i mean it. It's intent and and that's again like with dogs it's even more that way It's all intent because with them. Everything is body language right. You can't explain to the dog a whip your ass like you have to be able to to use your presence. Your nonverbal communication body language to to communicate to the dog. You know there's some shit bout to happen if you don't fucking knock that off you know and so it's imperative that that you understand how to do that For it to be an effective means of communication zaki. I got spanked and we'll be spending. Get spam now hopefully on more than a few times for a second there. I thought you said. I got spanked and will continue to be getting spanish right no off back when i was a kid for sure. Yeah and my parents told me later in life there. We hated doing that. And it's funny. Because when they told me that when i was a kid you know right at her meanwhile hear us okay bullshit but yeah like an older and i'm like okay. I kinda get why that would man. That would suck. That sucks fucking. Hit your kids. Nobody wants to his worst. I think everybody is Most people With very rare exception would prefer to have a child they never have to correct obsessing with the dog like i sure as fuck. Don't enjoy doing and an end with dog again. It's it's imperative that you're very clear in you. Communicate how you correct them and using a prong. Remote collar is is unquestionably. the most effective means which most people think. They're cruel or inhumane or a lot of people do A dog being confused and you trying to correct them another way is way worse. You know And so by being consistent you know. I'd even say the same thing with kids like if you're going to do a physical correction pick one thing that you're gonna do do that every single time because there's a contextual association ride in so if every single time whether it's you know the tip of a belt or your hand or a fucking phone book or a special or whatever it is you know it's always on their ass and it's always with this thing then than they they make that mental connection that contextual association of i fucked up whereas if you have thirty different ones like sometimes like with dogs like sometimes i smack there and sometimes a spray them with water. Sometimes i yell adam. Sometimes i push him like within. The dog doesn't have any idea what the fox going on and and again it's it's not as important with kids but i still think it's. It's a very effective means of getting the point across if you're consistent naming consistency as always prove to be you know an augment to to being a at communicating. I've been surprised at how many people my age who are parents are going to be. Parents are into the ideas back in their kids. Because you're right. Considering the movement seems like millennials and you know on would be like. Oh we're not gonna hit are a lot of them are like numb and would fucking got it when we when we were kids and worked so yeah we're going to do as our generation who came up and basically because we were spanked. Yeah by people who were pretty much beat the switch off that tree over the shed and i know he's done it and i've had to do it where your grandmother tells you. Google switch. Yeah and yu-tang bitch you go outside and you get the smallest motherfucking switch and you don't realize you just brought her old asa whip the fuck you. She can't aim shits halfway across your shoulder. Yeah you know and so our generation coming up. you know. i'm not gonna spank my kids. I'm going to do it better. Yeah now you're fucking kids are fucking getting rid of dr seuss. You stupid fuck. It's a fine line. Well i think you know to your point. Zack is like anybody. If if you're raising a child a dog fucking giraffe. Whatever like the there will come a certain point where where your fighter flight as a parent comes into play. Where like if your kid gets to the point. Where like that. That's where it's at like at some point. You're going to say okay like i'm gonna slap my deck on the table and we're going to see who the fuck is who here in this relationship like in and if it has to come to that and you end up fucking having to to Exert that positional authority or dominance. Whatever you wanna call it and and that child now recognizes that and now it's a totally different ballgame will as apparent dislike that. That's what it needed. That's what needed to happen. So that's what i'm gonna do when it comes to that you know Because every fucking creature on the planet like at some point if you push them far enough they're gonna fuck invite you know And even even parents like you know there will come a point at some point. You're gonna be like you know what a enough of this fucking shit. I'm gonna whip your fucking ass here in a second way. Like how long are you gonna let your kid pull your hair and dump fucking drinks on you and slap in the face and punch in the deck. And we're like before you're like all right you little motherfucker. I'm gonna kick your ass like the there's gonna come a point in everybody where that takes place. I think it's i think that's good for kids. The cycle the psychological aspect of. Oh wow my parents are fucking human and do listen to me and have shit to say about this in a way. That comes around you as you get older. I was raised pretty fucked up on. I would say somewhat abuse to borderline if not fully abused. But at the end of the day i wouldn't be the man i was today if i wasn't put in some structure because every time i fucked up it wasn't like our fucking took a touchy role when i wasn't supposed to so beat shit out of me. Liz bitch ass on fire once right so we probably should have beat the fuck outta took breaks like union. This was like an eight hour asks weapon. So i did it again but i'd as i'm older i fucking deserved a lot of the shia fucking got you know and i pushed a man who was trained to fuck people up you know. So at some point you know his trainings. Come out in the worst fucking. One of the worst days of my life was when he was and the motherfuckers. Balling apologized for that shit. Yeah you know it's like You know but i still spank. My kid never out shit. She went too far. She never let fire. You know where that line folk and went. Yeah you gotta fuck and punish your kids at some fucking way. I remember grounding my daughter when she was seven from her toys and her mom and picked up a friend and the friend mater dip couldn't understand. She was grounded from her toys. Not everybody was grounded. So i hear him in the room. Hey don't don't touch that. I'm grounded from alma toys. Don't touch my toys. So they're both sitting there both on their rounded like a motherfucker and he didn't do shit. I mean to me the phrase like everyone is to punish their kids. I think the important thing to remember is not is not that. It's that every parent needs to provide a consequence to shitty behavior that will cease that behavior. Whatever the fuck that is and for some kids. It's it's taken their phone away for other kids. It's getting the fuck knocked out of him you know. And and then there's everything in between You know but But you know that that is your job as a parent is that when they turn eighteen and now can tell you. Go fuck yourself that. Hey they don't and and be that. Don't become somebody else's fucking problem. I e e the general public because they're in and out of jail because you never fuck and taught them how to not be a total fucking idiot. You know And that's really. I mean that's a pretty low bar But but that. That's the bar like you've got to at least do that. You know as a parent. I when i became a parent. I figured it was my job to make sure my next generation which my kid wasn't like me so were i didn't succeed. I wanted her to succeed to be better than me. And i did that. I mean she's a nurse she's twenty three she's already graduated college fixing to go back tall so i feel good now. My dad made me motherfucking. Go cut my mother. Fucking paddle As an asshole but again we wouldn't be the people we were if we weren't spanked and then we get to see a generation of assholes. That weren't spank funny thing about perspective. You can only connect it backwards right. You can never never see the whole picture from upfront. You can only look back and go. Yeah okay that wasn't such a bad thing. Well you can't laws. Yeah you know you can sit there and look what's it gonna be like in twenty years. We don't spank all. These kids will season. It's going to be great right. what's up again. I mean so like my my upbringing. As a contrast right as i've got two older brothers and a younger sister and in all four of us You know very healthy nuclear family Parents almost didn't spank us. I mean i would say. I can count on one hand. The amount of times either either parent spanked any of us it was. They were anomalies But the transverse to that Or the caveat rather is that we didn't do anything really fucking bad either. You know some of it. I'm sure as genetic some of it was the way that they raise the some of. It's probably just dumb. Goddamn luck You know but but we didn't like all four of us. None of us were into drugs or stole shit or fucking caused any big pro. You know there there. Were you know little little normal fucking behavioral things here and there but nothing nothing whereas like goddamn kids all fucking none of that. You know and say that kit right but but so my point is is that like you were saying is that sometimes they if they're fucking up that bad like that's what it takes to get him to stop fucking up in another case cases like my family as an example. We didn't we didn't get spanked much because we need to get spanked but You know so. I i think that's an important Distinction to make but hunter percent haven't siblings helps regulate that to a while. There wasn't a cell phones back then either also that. Yeah you tell your dad you're gonna call them on the fucker when you got a rotary phone. This on the fucking yeah. It's turned into a parenting podcast. I know it always. It's either that business but it was. The question asked so the. I hope that answered your question. Yeah i deleted your message so not your message a screenshot so i know which ones i wanted to get at today. Let's get into. I want to audi's going to stop producing combustion. Engine jew sent me the fucking travesty. What audi of all fucking companies yeah is not gonna develop anymore combustion fucking engines which to me is Is a god damned. greek tragedy. Stunning one is this going to affect twenty twenty-five we've got some time or is this like next year. I think it's like they're they're what they have now is what they've got like. They'll they'll run them until they're obsolete and then there they just like they're not gonna put any more development technology or already t any into into gas engines. I mean they've really trying to break out from everybody else in the field. I mean what wide. Count that strong i. I suspect that's part of it. No probably a big part of it is the again of the social justice warriors. Like we're doing the right thing. You know trying to be progressive and lead the pack. I just think that it's very shortsighted. I mean obviously there You know there. There are a successful company for a reason. Yeah what's what's interesting to me though. Is that there still a subsidiary of volkswagen auto group so is all. vw auto group going to do that. Or are they just trying audi and seeing how it goes. I i don't know But you almost think they would've tried it with. Vw being their least productive and profitable company to see how it turn around. I mean i mean. I'd have to look at the numbers and we'd have to look them up but i would think that because since. Volkswagen was in a position to buy lamborghini. Audi own porsche. But but i mean like to me that wouldn't that make them the most successful of all of them. I thought same thing. Like volkswagen's always been beatles and vans and like you know obscure ideas right really kind of out there. Figure this the to the most popular cars you know but i you know to me like i guess if volkswagen says hey we're going to we're going to try this with one of our branches. I guess maybe audi does make the most sense because you know that is their least profitable out his outy. Yeah i mean maybe it's this the smallest man i don't know but to me it's just where we're at shortsighted. I think is that. I'm going to put that out from the research that yeah front from an electric standpoint You know if you in the next ten years and we've talked about this a number of times in the next ten years if you were to Magic wand wave all cars over to being electric or even if it's twenty years like the world does not have the capacity to create a word generate enough electricity to power. All of those cars. Right you know wi with the way things are going now unless you're willing to build new plants You know half a dozen big fucking. I don't know if it's if they're in levels or what but like you know the the biggest capacity nuke facility You know several of them in every fucking state. Like unless you're willing to do that you're not gonna fuck and solve any problems you're gonna have a bunch of people can't charge your fucking cars right. You know so what. What good does that right. This isn't gonna lead you more business. That's why i figure this is some kind of like claim. Oh it's an initiative by twenty thirty or something we'll be doing not like maybe we're just out now and then maybe it is just a publicity stunt to see how people respond to it. I mean who knows actively that's anc mean elon. Musk who's pushing electric has even came out and said there's no way right now and even anytime in the near future that we could sustain all these electric cars. Yeah i mean he's a smart man you gotta think he knows the number of where we should be at. I mean listen and data and business wise. It's obviously in his best interest for everybody to do that. So if even he is saying that's not possible. You probably ought to listen. He's not a dumb ass yeah he may be an alien tesla's a relatively new companies. So yeah they're coming out starting with electric right. I mean i feel like audis. Core user base has got to be combustion. fans right. what we're doing here. Yeah what the fuck got a couple of electric cars. And they're coming out with. I think the the next are eight will be electric And then what was that car. I told you yesterday. The e e tron. Yeah which is the s seven. Have the tron lineup. But it's the e tron something it's basically at taken in s seven audi version saying out each run. Yeah check that out win When are we announced in the fucking thing that happened in this week or next we can go ahead and talk about the thing right now because by the time this episode comes out. Yeah that on already be nice. Where's that my guy that's that one. Yeah shit yeah hold on. People were doing important shit. Fuck off we wanna talk about the thing her start. Yeah no. I hate to talk about this far into this episode. Maybe it's worth kicking off the new at it and move this to the front of a flow here fellas chop this. The fans will know the fans will now. This isn't life. it's true down for whatever i mean. Either way it's kind of announced. And i mean a lot of people. Listen pretty far in maine. It's totally your call. I weighed guy. Were already close to an hour and a half hour an hour and ten. I wanna start talking about this monster now. We definitely do so next week. Yeah so as you're listening to this show you have already seen what it is. And the next week were really gonna get deep. End the balls deep like sack resting on the taint def- your license plate bills e deep. That'd be awesome. That's to be taken in texas and texas to be good thing. It was a custom license plate of the. Gt three today. I'll tell you when we're not not So another guy was asking. Why don't we talk trucks trucks to me you've done trucks. We do talk trucks. And i used to build drugs and take trucks to same trucks are great trucks Utility i mean Sorry i got a text They're made for work. There they become they become luxury But when you compare trucks there's only so many there's so many people that make a truck and then there's so many levels of that truck say ford ram chevy toyota and then chevy you've got. Gmc used to have cadillac under that. You don't anymore Volkswagen had that truck for a little while to me. I don't think so it was hot. Honda honda has the ridge line. I mean toyota. Tacomas tundras are legit. The nissan has their frontier Titan line You know so. There's some japanese trucks that are that are big players to for sure. But that's a halifax. I wish we had luck. I get one of them bitches. Put a fucking portion book comes with a four cylinder. Diesel cummins shit. But it's a a tacoma with a four cylinder diesel commons and it's a bad ass truck. They have them all over overseas but But i think to matt's point like there's there's only so much you can really do talk about him At least as far as we're into them you know like alex. So i have a raptor It's my second one and it's a fucking great truck. But i haven't done anything to it like i put a camper shell on it. I use it for work and you know drive it as daily driver mo- most of the time And it's got you know my bite suit and dog crates fucking gear and Huge ass dog bed in the back. And like i i use it for training and delivering dogs and working dogs and all that kind of stuff so i beat the shit out of it and it's phenomenal truck but i i haven't made any modifications to it nor will i because i put a fuck ton of miles on it I'm not trying to avoid the warranty on something. I'm putting forty fifty thousand miles a year on so You know that's that's the gist of it but As far as during trucks. I mean outside of i used to have a lot of dream. Trucks trucks was my thing. Yeah and then it. Got to where i'm not gonna say. I got to a place where i could afford whatever i want because i'm not there yet but i got to where i could what. I was spinning making a truck. How wanted fast and all this stuff. I just go by supercar. now zach. Well that's a lot more fun. Yeah and to me like to the utility point is that that's really what therefore yes you can make them faster. And you know i know that like there's Guys that used to run around some guys up in idaho that were tuning in chipping and straight piping fucking diesel dodgers and ford's in in whatever you know twenty five hundred zero to fifty s and they had ten second quarter mile trucks But those are very one dimensional. And like if you're going to take that on a road trip good fucking luck few on a you know. Drive around town fast. Stoplight to stoplight. Good fucking luck. You know and to me like i i would say if trucks are your thing fantastic like more power to you but if you wanna driving experience and you compare a truck i don't give a fuck what you do to it. And how and how bad ass you make it and then you go jump in a fucking a legit Supercar like there's no fucking comparison. You know none so you go from a truck to a seven one eight cayman even at gts and you're like what the fuck just happened even world. Yeah i mean like if if the driving experiences your thing yeah. There's no comparison like there's just there's just not enough you can do to a truck to make it on anywhere near the same level of joy ability when it comes to driving experience that you can in a even a cheap supercar that that honest cost less than a lot of these trucks. You know so. It's just it's kind of apples to oranges. Which is is i think. Probably we don't spend a lot of time talking because for for both of us even with the amount of time you spend on them. And i know for me like it is purely a utility. Yeah and that's it. I mean. I built some got covers a magazines. And okay cool. But i was spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to do it. And that's all aspects. Yeah that's the other thing it's like. Yeah and i never got my money back verses with the supercars and shit we do. Do we get our money. Back for the mods. We do not one hundred percent. You gotta stay tuned and we'll have an answer for that Not in this episode. Probably the next one. We'll touch on that with the the thing the thing Almost fucked up their home for anybody really listening to pick it up. Won't matter just point. Yeah and then the My dream truck. I thought was hundred percent not ordered it. And it'll be here tomorrow. The ram trx really. You know what. I'm not getting tomorrow. Aram t-rex on especially after seeing it in person men. The paint quality was pissed. Poor on it but just looks like a normal. Yeah it looks it is. It's not special. And i have the qa. As much as i want to hate that fucking thing. I bought it to review which are by a lot of things to just buy it review. It sell it loose else because i don't want to be one of those guys. Oh went to porsche today. And i got a cayman. We're going to do a full review on it and you never drive it. Because i say hey man don't get over six thousand rpm in this car will fuck you up. We'll see okay cool. it's mine now. I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna dog the fuck out of it and let you guys know if it's shit or not fucking love the qa. And i don't want to get rid of it for a raptor earn a raptor a trx. Yeah but to me looking at the trx and person looks like a raptor tundra mix. Yeah but but it's very ordinary that way like there's there's nothing about it that you're like holy fucking shit. Don't have a pop. And i know it's got a fucking hell cat engine in it but you know in a truck that size for sure. It's it's quite a bit quicker than a rafter but again it's like even that like even if you just went from. Trx to fucking charger hell cat. It's night and day difference. Oh and charter. Hell cat is going to be a thousand times. More fun hundred percent so Yeah i mean to me. It's it's just kinda like what's the point like. The the raptor i think is is as good of a happy medium as you can get like still got a little bit of punch compared to anything else i'm drivin. It's his fucking slow. I don't give a fuck what you do to it. It's not it's never gonna feel fast compared to what i'm driving exactly. So so why even try to fuck with you. That's my take on it. And my my thing is and we've talked about this before mainly on drives but dr ing something. I want to enjoy it. And if i don't have to be utilitarian don't fuck and wanna drive that shift. I can think on literally one hand. The time needed a truck and we don't even use the motherfucker anymore. It was the table we moved over. You're moving something. Yeah i mean we use stole might stable and we use mack truck. Yeah so but i mean If i needed truck and say you get rid of your trump i'll go to lowe's or home depot and reynaud truck for the fucking or friends. What trails i mean. Yeah for doing what i do now. I'll probably always have a truck of some sort. You know but but again i rent has a purely for fucking work And so to me. It just doesn't make sense to to try to do a bunch of shit to that is just going to pale. In comparison to the cars that were fucking driving so like why. Why bother. yeah we're fucking spoiled See i got a few other topics. I've talked about this And we're talking about maybe making a series on it building a gun to shoot a mile. You mentioned that last week. Yeah bought again. Great let's talk about. I'll actually have it next week. It'll be here so we'll pop it up on the table that people look at it Shove it up. Zacks can ask all about it. Yeah basically mike said. Don't get at three thirty eight. So i found something that was faster and oppo apparently has more punch but a good looking rifle. It's really good. Yeah so we're gonna do that. That's going to be kind of cool series and what's cool about it is would be awesome. All of us are able to shoot at a mile or yeah let you shoot it that so like all right what. It's not typically easy for shoot a mile. That's what i'm hearing right. Because i actually most most guns will shoot him. I'll if you fucking aim if you properly you're gonna like forty five degree angle shirt on a mile. British twenty two long travel more than any fucking bullet out there. I don't know the ballistics sear talking about setting up a target a mile away hidden. Yeah at a stunning. That's seen it's going to be a bluebird bus get bluebird buses fucking bus took jesus bluebird bus at a mile these precision shooters or shoot. And i think it's a thirty six forty eight played or some shit. Some of them are shooting metal silhouettes. Yeah but they're still big. yeah A true sniper a mile and a person. i mean. imagine there's table cut in half. Yeah i mean even that at a mile is one hell of a feat. Yeah you gotta be able to see the motherfucker. Let alone hit it. In the mic drop. Separatists were had somebody who's a sniper said. They had somebody like one point two miles. I think yeah like real fast. Still like the guy that shot the pirate sixty or cab phillips is good up soon. Look like do you line. Tell him it was longer yeah. That's noman still a ridiculous shot on from one boat. To another view it was less than a mile. But that's the things we're going to have to learn so sad go out and i don't film it and i shoot a mile practicing. Yeah and then. I'm like okay. i'm ready. Let's go film The temperature changes twenty degrees. The wind shifts ten degrees ten miles an hour at us. Barometric pressure zack. Ever had it has all kinds shits circling around that from between you and the target can change. Yeah so what you could have done. One day might not happen the next and that's where he got calculators. I mean it's it's not like a yeah it's not easy and it's not going to be a quick. Hey i'm gonna go film this you know. We put a scope on it and go shoot at one day at a mile gotta sure would be fucking shady though if Put the scope on it and go out and first time fucking hit. Were just edited. Yes yes one hundred percents right. What's the scope magnification on their kind of piece of glass. You're going to have on this thing looking expensive one Basically that's the hard part about building it's just like building a performance car shirk. We're building a performance gun. There's so many options. Yeah it gets stupid like you can be cheap and spend five hundred bucks chances of you hitting something at a mile with a five hundred dollar. He's a glass Not very good. No chance of you hitting it with a fifteen hundred dollar piece of glass better a lot better chance of you doing research finding out what the military is using the hitter. Mile is fucking six thousand dollars later. Yeah where are you going to do this. Big flat piece of land. There's actually a range not far from here. That's fifteen hundred yards down to houston in the city. Yeah yeah we're going to get on the six ten loop the high branch during shootdown point guns point. Hey who truck broken into Really their damn. I'm sorry not so. I worked for exxon mobil for like ten months when i first got out military and And i i was staying down in greens point the at that time. That's where the exxon mobil headquarters was now. I think it's up in the woodland's but because of that is because was just you know people were getting robbed in the parking lot and whatever but there was like a holiday inn or whatever a mile down the road and that's where they put me up in during a training and whatever and so i had a dodge twenty five hundred fucking pickup broke in and stole my steel. They stole some random shit. Like bill at the time had by book. Cd's down fucking radar detector. you know. Just whatever they could slept showing. Yeah i heard my alarm going off. As like what the fuck and i went. Look at the window. And i see a pair of fucking legs three fucking bouncing around hanging hanging out of the fucking driver's door shed like that motherfucker. I grab my glock. Nineteen with me at the time. I grabbed that flew down the fucking stairs and I'm actually glad that didn't come out when they were still there. They were rounding the corner of the parking lot peeling out As i got out there but Because it would have just fucking ended up back for me. If i had shot him for sure like that i would have been the holiday at very different ending. That story fucking point to towns. Yeah dude every shout out to the seven one three in houston boy. He's so proud of you. Know it was not a lot a fucking radar detector. Joe only thing hot and houston right now. Is casey while on instagram. Yeah yeah yeah. That's the only personal showdown on the show. I'm bill to pay for that normally. Yeah fuckers not here bleep. That i got that out. I think what we have won twenty ten minutes fiat something anything everything i got's going. What are you getting your fucking car. Back he was texting me during the show. So hopefully it's hey you got a minute to come get your front door as probably like. Hey you got a minute. I'm having a problem. Yeah broke the car seat step ahead and started and so on. I forgot to put oil in it. Yeah yeah so. Hopefully i hope the fuck i get that back. Oh shit we do. Got the indian back Have you ridden it At all got back now every time. I wanna ride. It's gonna fucking rank. Would you guys got cams and shit done all kinds of shit. Yeah i mean right now. It's great weather. You ought to take it out for fucking yeah named to for a proper fucking role. Yeah we needed it. Film the review ryden riding ears than But we did the stage to cams and all that shit in it at damn near lifts the wheels off the ground not wheels will fit lift off the ground fucking. Get rid of it. This is christine christine acting on the phone. And that is the car king. Look at him. Go every once in a while i can sneak one in. Yeah that's what she said. Yeah it is what she said. Last night Yeah everything else. I gots gonna take way to a while like a you got anything. Zack your most of the most liberal view. If friends would be surprised that you that you think mind i'm not totally against the unions. I've never met a bad union situation but all my life been told they were bad. And i'm like. I don't see really the problem with them. You familiar with the shadow. Go and los angeles teachers unions right now and what they're doing now. Listen ridden i i would look into. That may may change your view on unions to me. Unions are a classic example of of again. The intention initially was good and then it gets corrupted. You know it's like You know they get to a certain point where they're really powerful to power and and the people that are in charge of them. It's kind of like sh. I make this Same kind of argument or complain about Shelters for dogs is that you know if if most people will they're phenomenal agreed dumb. I i am not saying that. They shouldn't be there but there is a a hidden problem with them. Agenda is is that you know when you get the level of hfs us and aspca like the national organizations and the people that are in power You know when you look at shelter facilities that imagine a scenario which most people think that that everybody including the shelter staff would would be a goal of theirs is to have the shelter empty correct. Yeah but what does that mean for them. No business right so hospitals out so you know so there. There's there's kind of a hidden incentive to actually not have them be empty you know and actually for that matter. There's an incentive to kind of actually have him at at full capacity where they can say. We've got no room. We need fucking money right like it's the it's the refugee with the fuck and flies in. There is sitting in the mud puddle. With the you know. Can you spare three dollars. A day thing But you know so. So agreed. Like the unions. I think in in theory are great ryan practice there. They succumb to the same fucking problem. That our government that big business that everything else does is that. There's a level of corruption and incentive. That has nothing to do with the intended initial consequence and now it's more about power and money and influence and then being able to do what what whatever they wanna do. Every never heard of the teamsters. Now i have heard of the teamster who was it a jimmy hoffa jimmy hoffa founded in. You still think unions are good again. I'm not opposed to them yet but but to me. The the problem is is that there's not the the level of oversight that there needs to be for them to actually be run efficiently and in with the singular goal of what they initially Were formed under you. Know being the the primary driving forces to why they exist. Yeah and it's it's human nature like. This isn't me saying that i'm perfect. And and that that you know. I mean everybody can be corrupted at some point like you put someone of enough power for long enough with enough people blowing them You know and and giving them carte blanche fucking autonomy to do whatever the fuck they want like people are going to fuck and start to do some shitty things Yeah you know. But so they're they're in that same fucking boat now. My my dad is a history teacher. And i've always looked back at like reagan breaking up unions. You know not not sell settling for the airport employees as a whole thing like him to say no. You're all laid off. That was a big deal and so ever since especially in the time. I've been on this. Earth like unions have not been a very relevant thing. They're round flight attendants. Having teachers sometimes. Lay she yeah. It's one of those things. like on. paper. Seems great. But i haven't actually seen it really practice colorado colorado chicago teachers unions recommend like at this point. You know again. It really boils down to money. Is that you know in these cova relief packages. There's you know at this point. What six trillion dollars. I think after three bills hundreds of billions of dollars going to two different school districts to to get them all of the quote unquote proper p. p. e. and testing and vaccinating an in education. And all of the mechanisms put in place so that they can open and they're still not opening right so so like like philadelphia's and other example like the school district there i think it's like sixty million maybe even six hundred million dollars that they've received and they're still not open and the race lee. Still saying no fuck you got like. We're not we're not doing it like if if all of our teachers aren't like you know but but when that's contrasted with you know you've got zoom calls that are being recorded that have You know it administrative high up administrators Telling their teachers like hey when you go on spring break. Don't post pictures of you going because it cuts us out of the knees astles. Because we're saying it's it's not safe enough to open schools but you guys are going to puerto vallarta and and you know drinking at a fucking adult resort or whatever and it makes us look bad like when shit like that's going on your union is is a fucking joke. Yeah you know. And that's unfortunately what's happening and that doesn't mean that all unions are bad and then that's that's not my position. I don't think that they're all bad. i think some of them are really bad and they and they make it very difficult for the legitimate ones to continue to operate legitimately because it really tarnishes the image of them all right you get enough power man crops. Everybody yeah matt. You've got one hell now. Good answer i figured you guys say about speed limits speed limits stupid right like but i think they are but that's not my most liberal view for me. It's the it's kind of all bundled into the social issues that most right wing. Conservatives are against abortion drug use prostitution shit like pornography. I'm okay with all that shed. I take much more of a libertarian viewpoint than i think anything else. There's some aspects of fiscally conservative but even that that's not a republican thing anymore because most republicans aren't any more conservative than democrats that they just spend money in in ways. That are more appealing to a lot of right wing. Conservatives You know whereas. Whereas i i am absolutely for just less government might might take very simply as that. It's the government's job to protect our borders and sovereignty sovereignty and to protect the individual's rights. That's it not to guarantee our safety not to guarantee our health care not to guarantee any fucking thing. Keep the borders in the sovereignty of this country. Legitimate insecure and protect the constitution and bill of rights so that it applies to everybody to to me. That's our government's only job and it takes about point five percent of the amount of money that they collect To actually do that to me. A very simple metric of if if our government has enough money to give money to other countries. You're taking way too much fucking money from us a good point like that. And that's one fucking thing you know. I mean there's a million of the millions of i'll still never probably a mind tire life. Get while we bring people from other countries. Give them tens of money yet. We got a homeless problem of people who truly don't want to be homeless and can't get a leg up. It's almost like the credit thing. I've you don't have credit you got to build credit. Well how the fuck him. I going to do that. Don't let me affleck. And yeah. I mean it's with almost anything in life. You either got to get a leg up or you gotta fuck and figure out a loophole. Well some of these homeless people they allow them right now. Went and fought for our freedoms and shit like that came back. Had some bad shit happened to him. Lost everything now. they're homeless. They're straight but they can't get back on because they can't afford close to go to interview get a haircut and shit like that. Yeah oh well. There's people out there that do that. Yeah there's people out there that do that if someone gives them some money. Yeah but no one's giving them money so they don't have the money to do for all of them they can do select few. Yeah but hey let's let ten thousand one hundred thousand immigrants over here and help make sure they have a great american life. I mean to me with l. Cover this briefly. I know we're running short on time but to me. The easy solution to that is actually really simple. Is that refugees and immigrants from a a refugee status meaning. There are fleeing and oppressive brutal. Tyrannical government or natural disaster is An a lot of countries in the middle east have done the same thing instead of them. Taking in syrian refugees they set up camps in certain parts. You know right across their border or the syrian border. Whatever is massive fucking camp facilities. That house them that you know medicine doctors fucking you name it. It's safe Intel they deemed safe enough for them to go back or you know they stay there whatever but instead of using government money. That's where you know anybody that thinks it's That it's morally correct and charitable to to take my money and give it to somebody else. It's not that's fucking theft by the way. Is that if you are a liberal. Who thinks that we should be helping those people. There are plenty of fucking organizations five. Oh one c. Three nonprofits that you can donate as much fucking money as you want of your own to help them facilitate those refugee camps in their own goddamn countries taking it from american citizens and dictating that That it has to be spent. That way is fucking criminal. Several think of the jobs on all those people who are passionate about it. You can do it for a living. Yeah you can go help out go nuts. Yeah exactly and on that now

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Ep 41: Fathers Day Ep, Poop Inspecting & First Ever Guest

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Ep 41: Fathers Day Ep, Poop Inspecting & First Ever Guest

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There's a raccoon coming out of my penis is is making my butthole itch punched my mother. I pissed firecrackers. Yeah blaze away n. Here we go all right guys man. How are you ready. Ship boom hit us with it. Blake ship friendship. Yeah you're so much love a- on your soundboard love. I love the love. Blake shit allen's cool you ever hit that shit when you're not on the pod when you're dislike late night drunk picking about us. Oh yeah out of all of the possible buttons to hit when you're alone in your room late at night thinking about us. What is the button that you hit. The often blake hit us with our friendship is so hard core. I'm constantly just sitting in my room. Just playing the soundboard thinking about you. Guys like dick pic kyle. Can we get your joke wartime. Oh the soundboard. That's what causes dick. Okay yeah yes points. Why did you bail on the joke and then you double back for what happened there. You get nervous. i like you know. I think there's a lag going on and it came out and then d'ors caught it and then we came back and now i hit it and now here we are okay steady lagging. Yeah i don't know there was a lag as much as we just kind of talked over each other. And i think that was the case. That's par for the course right. Do you guys think it was a nightmare for people who were like professional writers before they came to work holidays and then they came to our writer's room and they realize i o louder is wins and gets in on the show. Oh yeah louder equals funny. Yeah i would say yeah. It was a little bit of a lions. Dan of a little shoddy. Yeah oh yeah. It was a ball of energy. It was a mosh pit of comedy for sure right. It was An atom bomb of energy. That's right is that what you call your shot and the chewing the ice on the microphone. I love it. And i wanna thank you for doing that i go. You're not supposed to go eat. Tin foil donncha get the sparks going. We'll tinfoil feelings but what's the what's the matter with ice. I think they said if you chew your sexually frustrated always heard that makes sense. Yeah so i'm going to be. What cool doctor is this like the doctor. Did you go see him. You remember when they say like it'd be where green you're horny. No that was greenham and m.'s. What what. I thought it was just green if you if you ate greenham and m.'s. They made you horny. It's science what green dye like. Why why does green make you horny. Green the color makes you horny. The green actually filled with testosterone. Easy axe. I just remember that back in the day. If you wore green the cover like you were like code. That you were horny. You're a horny dog. Yeah yeah no one got green eyes so watch out. Watch things to colors. Green makes you horny if you see orange. Supposedly that color makes you hungry. Is it or heard was. Is that what. Mcdonald's is yellow yellow because mcdonald's science. Yeah that 'cause subliminally it makes your you very very hungry so if you wear green. It doesn't mean that you're necessarily horny because they're not looking at yourself all days. You're trying to get everyone around. You horny so what's up shirt. What are you trying to do to me. Yeah green sure you come on the podcast trying to get his horn dog. You didn't know come on man. Hello holck who has live sports. Okay has live sports everybody in my contract. That's cool and you. You're getting paid for that. Yes since i'm on set for woke on hulu i'm being paid to where the hulu has live sports jersey everywhere i go and then are you in atlanta. Are you onset right now. I'm not. I have to wear offset. That's that's a really intense contract. That that i think made you sign up see. Are you there in the eighty two the l. o. I am I'm in town. Damn all the way in a baby all the way in it. I'm just looking for other everywhere. I go joe. How green is just there. Like a month ago. And i was like. It's so green here. There's like leaves and stuff there are there are tons of leaves. It's a it's a lush lush place. I was kinda surprised by this. La can get a little brown. La can get a little dried out desert and then you go somewhere else and it's like human and lush in your little crusty gets a little dusty. Yeah yeah. I kind of didn't think about this but a atlantis or of a magical place. I didn't even. I'd forgotten driving on the freeway. And i saw this big installation. That looked like a torch. And i'm like oh shit. They add like one of the sickest olympics here like dude found the bomb the thing and then they made a movie about him shit. Yeah eastwood made that yeah. Lots of story lines he did was michael johnson. The world record hundred meter and two hundred meter atlanta right. Was that the gold shoes member. He had gold shoes date. that was. i'm all about you saying bolt. That was amazing. But like before that the michael johnson shit the man do people still fuck with the olympics in the same way that they did back in the day like i feel like when we were kids i was thinking. Give me some dominique muccio. I was like all about them little gymnastics girls because they were like all rage they were like fourteen years older however old and your leg. No oh man. That's i need a girl that can do a triple axel or some desert or some gymnastic term. i mean maybe that's where he like your body tight. Fantasy came from the cross gymnastics girls. I for sure think that that's right. Because when i see the The that simon byles girl. I'm like i'm trying to get them on You know discolor simone biles simone. I'm home sign mon. Simon what is it. Some on the mon mon like a regular human name blur named cyborg. Syamaun's the name. Simone you've never heard the name simone simone. No what do you mean about raymond. simone. Who else's name simone raven simone. I'm thinking about raven that's her last name. Yeah but that's still a name that's still a name. hold up. hold up. Who is named simone. That's what i'm saying. I know but we've heard the. I've heard the name nina simone. Yeah nina simone so last name who right. it's also last name. Among who's got the first name simon weights simone best. Simone has got to be someone. Durr's you didn't go to school with some. I think it's this girl. It's simone biles striking. How i just broke it down. She is the first human being in existence. had the first name and she's breaking all kinds of records. Let's give her roses flower doing constantly giving rose. I'm gonna go ahead and give simone her flowers. Congratulations huge fans. And we should start a new. Give the flowers. I'm not so much a fan of her actual talent of being like the the best gymnasts of all time. I'm just a fan of them arms girl That's where i would like to give her flowers period and of praise. Don she lets jack tank tops. Was she the one that recently. I don't know what they like. The i don't know if his olympic trials or whatever but on her little like unitards she it was like jewelled and there was like a goat in the middle like she is the goat. It was such a buck a all flags that was. Us national gymnastics championships. We're just the other day. Wow that's huge. that's awesome. Was that her. Was that simone. That was simone. How does i'm own simonet. Yes she just one. Wasn't it the like the most. And i'm definitely butchering this. But it was like seven championships. Right she was the first to win seven consecutive maybe bottom line period. Yeah so she's like the greatest of all time and then. I saw like a little gift. That was saying That sportscenter posted about the logan. Paul floyd mayweather fight fifteen times and posted zero about her in that record. Yeah can we talk about this. Sure this fucking boxing match. Yeah what is going on well. Let's get simone. Well let's find each other for hundreds of millions of dollars. I'll beat the you guys or actually might lose. Its just publicity. But here's what it is. Here's what it is. What what what. I gotta get racial. I gotta get racial on this. Oh racial foresters. Okay i'll do. We're all familiar with the great white. Hope right no okay right. Yeah not really. What do you mean that. Boxing has been taken over by black people and hispanics by and large and every once in a while some white dude that every other white person me like. Oh my god. I gotta watch this fight. What if he takes out this black guy on behalf of all of us. Basically what i see in this fight is that like this dude isn't even a professional. Yes he what the shit out of me for sure. He's a big dude. I would love to see it. I'd love to see and i'd love to throw your name in the ring. I would love to get paid to get punched by that dude or his brother hopes dozen whatever. Whatever pays any youtuber take tucker. I'm willing to fight for money. This is an amateur. So everyone's like. Oh my god this regular joe. Who's been working out like a motherfucker that guys out to be this. Do he's big. He's about to beat the greatest boxer of all time and put like white people on the map. I'm not here for it at all enters. Let me give you the exact counterpoint known. Not at all we are not watching these fights to glorify point white guy. We're watching it to see him get his ass be now the only reason i am paying money or watching these fights because i wanna see appall brother get touch. That's you that's you. I guarantee no. Everybody wants to get beat up. I think these exhibition matches are so stupid because i was rooting for neither of them. I was like i. It'd be great to see logan. Paul get his ass kicked because he's making a mockery out of boxing and the whole sport in general it does. Yeah it's dumb. Also floyd mayweather. I'm like yeah this guy. Such a fucking idiot. Why is he. Why is he giving this. Ki- this guy a platform to box. I hope he gets his us too. I was hoping he was a double knockout. I think he thought he could servants. Because he's a draw he can drop. I wanted a double knockout. And they hit each other the exact same time and they both Die on him explode. Okay that's i thought their heads are gonna explode like water. It's basically like professional boss roads. boxing. Kyle we're we're losing our schalken like a motherfucker. You've never chunk tartar. My man kyle coming to us. Live from the unabomber shack. Where's my gun guy out at a guy goodbye john. I do want to hear what he has to say. But it is crazy. It's crazy and like the fight like a dude in your weight class. Like get get in there. Yes work your way up. Like mickey rourke never was like. I'm gonna promote myself to go fight. He fought like nobody's at his disguise. Not trying to be a boxer. He's just trying to collect channels. I get i get and he's doing such a great job of gist collecting checks. And that's what floyd mayweather said to people ailing. But he said like. I'm the best at legal bank-robbing that was his quote. Sure i'm the best legal bank-robbing bank robbing he's robbing people jamie. He's not getting my money but it's getting people's money. Yeah yeah no people are paying for it. People wanted to see it crazy. Admittedly i kinda wanted to see it. But i wasn't going to spend fifty bucks. I was like i should if i knew how to a steal things off the internet. If i wasn't just such a fucking idiot who didn't know how to do anything on the internet. Stolen the hell out of that. I'm yeah i'm superdome on the internet and in real life you're stupid. I don't have to fight his brother. Oh that would be sick. I want the brothers to fight abrupt but then if one of them loses then than the game then the gigs up. You know what i mean. They gotta keep what if one of them loses then then only goes till they lose a rematch. They don't fuck what they know. 'cause nobody's ever gonna know once they get cleaned white on white. Is that what you're com on. Jour's you said it. We're all you what you're saying doesn't make sense because if he loses you're saying if he loses any of these fights he gets to go well i just fought a real boxer so of course i lost so we get to keep fighting. I don't get it. Yeah and if he fights brother and his brother any one of them kicks other brothers. Asking the other brother doesn't get the shine right and he doesn't get to the rematch. Nobody wants to watch. The fights aren't even good. There can't cellini route that you don't wanna see because at that point. You're just like yeah. I hope they both have heart attacks in the ring and die. You know you have no wonder roof for okay best way. You want the simultaneous knockout. Yeah kidding i i all are your back. I'll argue back. can you hear me. We can hear you. Yeah what were you gonna say. I was gonna say recorded a crossroads between celebrity death match in professional boxing. It's like we should just go full on into celebrity death match. Yeah let's bring that back Yes someone did mention that. The other day when i was watching like it's getting very close to where we could actually get some kind of celebrity death match going. That would be so sick. Who would you wanna see but you people you wanna die because it is to the death. Well maybe not the death now. It's but i mean it would be a bonus if the people fighting i actually wanted to be dead but Just if you're putting your life on the line out there a battle to the death that's gonna that's gonna be probably worth a watch right. It's going to be pretty intense. Viewing tell you. It is That's what you like an intense viewing. Yes i'm all about the tension i like. I like a really good chance that would intense long for tension. Yeah intention smart. Smart guy mark guy really smart scared to talk. Because i'm pretty sure. I'm chunking hard. That's good. It's good to be scared to talk on a podcast. No i'm like. I feel like i'm about like five seconds behind you guys i apologize. And what about the actual inter new always are saying. Wait to get you guys at the right time. But i put it out there different. I'm sorry this is fun. Earn notice kyle. Oh say it's impossible. Served you earn noticed. Hear some crazy shit. Wait hold on. We got breaking news. I was just in yosemite for Almost a week with my family and stuff them hail yeah brown and first of all yosemite is dope. Go check it out. it's way al capp. There's like some sequoia trees that you could drive through the really the only national park. I've ever been to fucking stunning gorgeous. It's crazy But so we're up there and my little one is like there's a worm in my poop we're like emma goes to check the duke and sure enough. There's a little worm going. Oh we're like well. He's got pin worm so we all take this medicine and then the next day. My big dog is like dad. There's a snake in my warm and my poo poo too. Yes coming out of my penis. He's like i had a worm too. So we're all like boiling close and like changing the sheets and like nailing everyone at the schools. And what does that. What does that mean. Why worms in your poop. What does that mean if your kid. And you're like sucking your thumb all the time like i guess there's like in terms like somehow there's eggs that can get like left On your fingernails and stuff like that and then you suck on your thumb and then it goes into your body and then worms grow in your digestive track and they eat your food right and then like every once in a while you shit one out and like i'm just checking my dookie everyday different than dookie trans but it is Gnarly school so how do you check your dookie do us do you fish out of the toilet and like take a fork in a kind of smashed up in my hands. I squeeze get one of those. Like garlic healers and kind of run it through that. What do you how do you check the play style. Your plato's these are all good ideas actually look into squish it out and make it look like dreads coming out of the little toy dookie. Get up all weird and you turn around you eyeball it and you're like looking for any movement and then when you're like okay it's not is making my butthole it. I can't. I'm waiting for it. But i already took the medicine. How big was this thing. Man how big was the worm like a half inch long. That's so i mean that's pretty big star. I said a half long so it was pretty big mound so your kids at least six inches. They got some big old beaus down there. I know they assured huge cox got my exact same. So do the worms get transferred through clothing to other people in the house. So why do you have to boil everything they can. Oh my god is like the eggs eggs on your butthole like you gotta a washer shit. It's crazy where wild stuff. It's cool that your children are investigating their shit intensely enough that they saw the worm. How was it like a lot of worms knows one. So he was and a half history and a half or whatever almost l'amour but he just came out and was like there's your worm in my popo and you're like what first of all why you look like what second of all he must have felt a little squirm or something like that or heard screaming from the toilet bowl and i didn't believe him because you're dislike all right but then kids. Yeah usually make is doing some fun. Maple leaves right. He were all about the worm bits in our house which is like extra confusing. There's a dragon pooh-poohed right. I pissed firecrackers right But then she checked it out and sure enough and then arnie we were like is he. Trying to like be part of it because it got a lot of attention right right right right and we were like I have worms and hifu to right like you got no worms. I'm cool like twice as big. Yeah there's a earthworm in his dookie. It's like right. That doesn't dig that up for the backyard. Yeah why are there rolling police. There's just like you guys went fishing. There's minnows their dad. Check out my turn. Did you call the big worms bloodsuckers back in the day. What leeches like the big earthworms. Yeah for sure earthworms. We always call them. Bloodsuckers i've heard them called nightcrawlers. Yeah nightcrawlers because martha nightcrawlers because they come out at night because they come out at night. Yeah that was the most fun thing as a kid when we would like be Camping fishing the next morning. And like you gotta go find those earthworms those nightcrawlers to So we can fish the next morning and then it's just your haunting you're covered in mud and you feel like you're doing actual work worms right. Early bird gets the worm man. That's where this same comes the worms cool so the moral the story is my kids are cool because worms are cool. Did they feel sick. Thank you got do. They know you don't know they're just parasites they live in you the eat your food and i guess like if you check your dookie it just takes three months to cycle out. You guys have all probably had them for sure. This is the meat worms. You and i'm always investigating my dookie. So that's weird that seen it with the garlic thing. I always take it out smash up with a fork. That's why i kind of that was sort of my what i do with it. Every time i take a shit right. I shit on a plate and then i kinda shake it off into the toilet. Yeah i just eat it and you guys know that siphon it through a little thing like you're searching for gold right. That's how we met. Well these are. I'm feeling like maybe. We have a little yo conor face because carl was talking about kyle and carl. It's me. I don't have the rape van with me. He was talking about the red meat. Worms last pod right now all of a sudden you're kids have though worm is the new sang instead of yolk on your face you got a little worm in your little worm in your pu. Does i got a little warm in my but because yesterday Well i'll say. I never had worms as a child. I have not dealt with that but in my life something. I had to deal with was lice. Did you guys ever get down with lice. Her nope never had a party with them life. If you ever get down with them like food. I had a big party with them lice. I remember one time when i had ice like you. Guys were dirty kids right. Yeah you had to comb the lice out of your hair again dirty dirty kids fucking thanks to comb the lice out of your hair. You remember that shit. Adam you me neither okay well. My mother ran a daycare and there was this one kid. Allegedly elijah who always had lights shaw ways. Every week he would come back with license. Like what the fuck are they doing over there and bringing this kid over here lice. Every single time he came over But yeah you would have to use this special. It was kinda sad. I feel bad for. I'm sure he's doing very well. But this special shampoo these combs that are super super like like the bristles are super close together. So that fine tooth. Yeah very extremely fine too. How do you get lice argue and this is not shots fired against you and kyle but are you like a dirty kid. Are you like what what. How do you get the right place right time. If you're not maintaining your hair the lice are like yeah and but then if you're playing near they literally jump from head to head yup remember kid in my class like we all would hang up our coats in a row in elementary school. Or whatever. And then i remember. There's no big deal. Yeah pretty cool on this guy had for coats and one kid got lice and then it was like a full thing they had. My mom had like wash my coat. Because i guess they they leap they leapfrog from co two co right. Yeah but a leap. That's how you get it. I mean you don't necessarily have to be the dirty kid at school but that dirty kid brings it. But i remember kyle one of the funny things that carla them because i was getting this lice. And then kyle started to get allies. Probably 'cause we were just hanging out all the time. Kyle when you were getting your hair brush member. You came back and you're like dude. My mom was like brushing my hair and it hurts so fat. I hit her my mother. Yes i punched in my mother. She was combing through my hair and it was just punched her or you like pushed her away on our punched her well. How were you were you when you were a your mother. Hopefully because you are a big kid so you punching you punch in your mom probably like big check hands. I know i was probably. I mean i was like eight or nine and we played slug bug all the time so it was like punching is kind of like what we did right but in the with your mom. Yeah for sure. Is your mom the bug. My mom was was like yeah. 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Mail me wines at compo california. I sometimes i feel like when when those guys jump out at halloween and guys just beat the shit out of that person's birthday off I wonder if like for sure. Because i get like punching someone but then when they just like they get so mad. They're scared that they have to just continue to be out of that person right. I understand like the initial reaction of. Because i told you guys about the time i Assaulted a woman chloe at so. We're working here. I i might have told the story but we were at Like not scary farm or we're at a hundred hormones for universal and. We're walking through one of those mazes. It was like really dark. And there's just like it's kinda strobe lights and she jumped out in front of me and she just got. She was working at the the popcorn. Stanton no and She jumps out. And i just sucked. I just did. I did like a rabbit punch and punch in the face and then i went to consoler after realize like oh i just hit a person because i was scared and i just punched them and then i went like i'm so sorry and went like this and then just cut her titty bob. Yeah and then. I go i go. I'm so sorry. And then just like went out to reach her to be like. I'm so sorry. And i didn't know a girl you know and then i build this and then i'm like god. I'm sorry includes adam. Recent held their underwater by the vagina. You hit her and he sexually assaulted yes. I did run across this important. This is all alleged right into that. Did that scary clown adam. He'll be apologizing at the end of the pie. Didn't he didn't mean to elbow you in the face and then squeeze both your titties. I said it was a little rabbit punch. And and then i just had to give a honky on. It was an accident. you know. Accidents happen guys. I'm in texas right now and as you could tell. Houston we're in. Houston we have a problem. And my dad is europe. You guys would like to say a quick. Hello i guest on the podcast. This is our first guest. Oh i guess here while a let them talk for just a just a few minutes. Because i'm a hor- for this hot pub. Right you know and i gotta get i gotta get back to it but he does wanna know why you guys haven't reached out about his cancer diagnosis. Okay here you go okay. What do you want to hug and a kiss she. We're the love is right here. It's beaming dennis dean legendary dad on the pod. I guest ever. I would like it no other way. How are you. i'm good. I'm good killing cancer. Silla time yeah. Hell yeah hell. You're fighting the good fight. I mean we heard you're on still ripping bonds and all that and we're in good spirits that the kids didn't believe me when i talk to the doctors and the ozarks and they said yeah blaze away and And then we come here and so the best doctors in the world. Say shit you got it. Smoke it chemo. And there's there's still one another opinion that's the only opinion that matters. Yeah that's right that's right. They said just. Don't make your first question. Yeah how's How's how's houston treating you are they. Are they doing right. And all that houston's good saw some baseball hall song basketball that's right so everything's good right. What's the deal. You're doing chemo at do you get to like have local grub or are you on a certain diet that they got to offer this no in fact. They told me to eat everything. So i did. I gained fifteen pounds. Now talking really. I'm going to be the only bad cancer survivor. That's the secret that's how you beat it. Dude lee dead cancer feed dad dude. Gosh we're fucking rooting for your brother. Thanks for him. Yeah i really feel like it's an excuse for obesity for god to get his. I'm not even convinced. He has cancer. Like you'll have like eight helpings of something like the doctor said and now he's got he's got some serious squeeze ability there. Hey welcome to the party. Feel good buddy when you go downstairs quickly in their shake. I love that feeling. Is adam getting you any voiceover work with this new smoky tone. You've got no sound cool as fuck talked to his agents. I'm going to have to. I mean but can use it like give a commercial for quiz nose or something real quick. Dennis is the one who did the noise at the end of every workaholics episode. That was his voice. That's right this is the voice. It hammers it. Adam doing an impression. No we pulled dennis back into the room and he did it into the microphone. A couple of times. Yeah tennis well actually brought up a good point. Now that it's out there for all the lawyers. I still haven't got my check. Oh yeah we got you. We check is still missing. Talk to your son family discount. Adam what's going on here you get. Your dad paid for sure for sure. So are you getting to spend quality time with with the kids and everything. And it's like penny out there with you and everybody got a good crew around everybody's everybody's here so that's nice where we're all just hanging out and doing our thing smoking weed smoking weed every day. Okay dennis the houston. We have a problem. Shared is an alzheimer amazing. Yeah yeah i loved it. I don't think the dodgers found it very humorous. No and those guys got no humor. Yeah i gotta be serious but when you need it you gotta let cross that out. We have no problem. Yeah we have a problem. We've ran out of weed problems. Salt problem soft. Yeah i like the idea of you like Testing their their sense of humor by doing like pranks on him and stuff and like certain. If you could just this is really serious stuff dennis. There's nothing funny about cancer right. This is cancer my man. You pull your arm up your sleeve and you're like harmful off last night like fucking with you. Is this one of the side effects. But i do man. I honestly like. I've had a lot of like experience with cancer in my family. And i do believe that half the battle is just keeping like that positive attitude in like religious. You know being able to find those moments that laughing family and just really you know. It's it's half the battle for sure so good to see you here and smiling and everything and you great to see you guys good to see you. That's we're going to have to come hang out. We're going to have to come kicking the ozarks. Well that's for sure down there. That's really happening and be a good time. We'll see if we can smash skis and destroy boats l. Yeah that's what we're all about. I wanna go tubing like a nine year old. That'll that that can be painful. Head would be fine. Toss me down here and you. I will let you guys get back to podcasting. Because that's that's important. Yeah man thank you dennis stoke to have you as the first and only guest on this is important us right right much love then his much love dude all right love you dennis bro. I will you guys must be by later. May the man the myth and now the legend riveting content they man. It was good to see them. You're right. I i keep getting all of my news through. You never actually went to the source to reach out to dennis demon. He was he was planning to cool. He's a little salty for a minute. But have you you guys have never seen him without a goatee or you know. Nude the first time yeah. He's a new dude. He looks like a turtle turtle house that out on the soundboard turtles turtle turtle. I like turtles. Well no the the from the no from The fucking what's it called me. Potassium disguise dana carvey movie master of disguise for. Yeah i gotta get that. Yes you're right that will be here man that show. That movie actually sucked. I love him. He's the funniest but that was the worst movie was it was crazy. How funny he is And no one seemed to write him something back great. Oh yeah it's really really bad dude. Yeah what the other movie clean slate. Good concept movie kinda forgettable. He was like a detective who every morning. He forgot everything. Check it out kind of like a decent back. Yeah maybe like walking. Did that it'd be a slam dunk. Yeah for sure. Walking's gonna knock that one out of the pause. You didn't believe that he didn't remember stuff you're like. This can't remember stuff. I can tell. I think it was more like there was like a love story. And like i don't know just never see like dana. Carvey as a romantic sexual. Yeah and there's tons of weird sex scenes in human just like banging constantly we are. We've already talked about ace. Ventura how jim carrey was definitely like and as silliness this guy is he fucks like a champ like he really rails this woman while animals watch. It's a disgusting habit. He gets a blowjob in the first ten minutes of the movie. And they're like yeah. Okay what he though. He's kind of a buffoon but he can. He can fucking pipe though he for sure throws it down. It's funny dead it because he wouldn't be able to so it's funny. Little sure are friendly around crazy. I know there's weird jokes about how he's just getting laid constantly so cool like it's funny and i'm ten years old. Yeah this is how people behave words. That's how i have to act. Gotta check the writing credits. I have a feeling he may have been in. The writer's room saddlebags. Well that's That's why i did ace venture impressions for for five years in a row. After that movie came out really did. In fact i was like girls guys like this. Somebody stop me okay. Will you go to the dance with me. All right then is that a yes. Chicago number still nine. One one a buddy of mine had to go to rehab because oh yeah this is great. The parents sent him to rehab because he wouldn't stop doing. Ace ventura jim. Carrey impression like that was the addiction. He that's all he talked like for two years straight de they sent him to rehab to like accounts the cycle. That would be such a cool strange addictions episode Yeah he was he was addicted. It was my buddy kevin hart. I'll shot him. why mouth. Yeah oh god. That's great. And i feel for him because it was it worked. Its way into you in on like an old school level or like anchorman. Yeah white science and if your tan and you're just running around science quoting movie like glove lock hug la. Yeah i really wanted to get the kind of panty. He wore like those like red and black striped pants. I'm like i've got address. Just like ace. Ventura of the students getting bay jobs. I think i had gerbils. It looked that goes well that show. That was because it was pre internet and pre like memes in gifts and all that shit so like that was the social currency of the time. Like knowing the quotes. And and if you said it style kicker you said it people are going to laugh like you didn't need your own joe there little football. It's it's very much like how kids today. We'll just rehash a meme and be like that's funny right and other kids laughing like killing at satan. Everybody's just acting like king batch. Hey do your kids likened subscribe. Do they save like and subscribe like walking around like do. That's funny. they just go. Yeah like buddy mine. Always pose psych with his little nieces and nephews and they're always they always like say a thing and at the end of be like likened subscribe lke don as if it's on youtube and you're just like oh. Those kids are watching way too much youtube. Yeah that should be a sign that maybe they get off the ipad for just a little bit. Do you guys have like ipad. I love that. Is this episodes kind of just become like a parenting tutorial well father's day's coming up. It's a dad theme for sure. Dad theme. I mean we had one of the most legendary dads on the pod. True his debate he put him up there. And could you guys tell his voices fucked up or does it. It sounds a little fucked up right. Yeah i was saying you need to get him some voice over work. He does sound. Cool us l. I tried to get a commercial out of them real quick. And you didn't. Yeah i i'm like. Why is dennis using his sexy voice on us. And then i'm like oh yeah. Dennis is trying to fuck you guys support. As far as the devine's go if he punches you in squeezes your city and you know trying to i lucky. Look you guys didn't scare that man must've get horny when we get scared. Hong thank you thank you so i actually went on adventure last night for my first time ever. I went to a drag show. Have you guys ever been to a drag show before. I think so. Yeah i have one time. I did like a drag in atlanta I might have been the same place. It was a drag of breakfast place okay. It was like a drag brunch and we win a eggs ranchero and watched These drag queens put on put on a show piece haitao down atlanta's cool like that man and i went to one back in the this dude who is in second city with me and adam. I think he was in my class before. I jump over to your class. He didn't drag. And i went to his show and it was. It was awesome. It was intense dude was it was very cool. I had a great time on what was the theme There one there wasn't a theme. It's usually like you know lots of brittany spears lips. Egging the theme is that they are men dressed up as women. That's the thing. Yeah oh well there was a drag king as well but there's other there's theme ones though. Yes there's like the famous golden girls where they just reenact episodes here and right right right a mexican restaurant. This one was a little like kind of like underground and like seemed like you know it's kind of like this was the first time the dude had hosted it but he'd been doing it for like ten years but i could see where it could get very big. I mean it was big. It was grand for how small it was. But i can see where it could go off like vegas style. I bet those drag shows are insane than everybody is having so much fun. This is what. I'm getting from you talking about this. You wanna do drag. When we do the live show we do that. This isn't the guys do drag dressed as women and put on a fun show user. Well this was day. I'm like i go in there right. I'm i go down the stairs. And while i'm walking down the stairs for you know four guys asked me like. Hey will you take our pitcher in the stairwell. And i'm like yeah for sure for sure. Of course i take the pitcher arm handing the phone back in the guys like wait. Are you blake from workaholics. I'm like yeah. Yeah yeah yeah i am. I'm actually here. i'm i'm filming something here in atlanta. And he's like yeah. Yeah i could tell because you have makeup on your face. And i'm like no no. I don't have any makeup on. He's like oh yeah you you do have mayor covered and makeup and glittering. You're wearing lipstick though. Yeah no i'm. I'm not wearing any make. We actually haven't started filming yet. And he's like oh okay so you're here alone i'm like no my cast is is is right over there. And he's like hey. Don't worry about it dude. i'll keep it on the dl. I'm like you don't have to keep it on. The i feel like this is his running with everybody he runs into. He assumes are knows from the internet at straight and it's just like okay. you're gay. I got your secret right here all good. It was so weird. So i go over to the other cast members of welcome like this dude just told me that i'm wearing makeup. What's going on and they're like dude. You look fucking insane. The whole place is like lit with black lights And i guess the moisturizer i use has spf run and it was picking up with the black light russell. My face looked like it was glowing. Like i was wearing glowing white or like i was like one of the neon gang members from batman forever. If you get that reference it was like i. i've got sane. I looked absolutely background actor from belly. Exactly i thought you were saying like like the one these guys got a little too close and like me you rode your face gets his butt cheek or something but she makeup on your face or something. That's what i thought it was. Those are my favorite pictures. We're like a at a club like a black do have been dancing with a white girl with like crazy makeup on her face and when he comes away it's like on his neck. Thank yous loops do. But it took a video of me. You guys have to see it. Because i so crazy. I was so lucky that it wasn't just like a club club and it was like drag night because people go all out and they show up in wild shit like fucking just some letters so people just thought like oh look at look at him he just decided to put on some some fun whiteface and that's not racist because wife candy though didn't do anything else but did that weird that he did that. He's here on the dl here on the dl. But he completely like makeup didn't sell out. I wonder if he's getting on a retired a nice little shout out though for everyone out there who uses moisturizer like blake. Does that. you're clear from your from black lights because apparently you'll go windy. You do your best. Think the hp specter x. Three sixty is ready for when inspiration strikes with power. Save for battery life in focus mode. Multitask you can do your best thinking whenever wherever do you do your best thinking after breakfast. I dunno before bed. 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And i'm pretty good about wearing sunscreen because i go in the sun a lot Let's go get them. Lasers off together adam. Is that how you do it. You get it. Do you get lazy and yet okay. If it's that easy then how get zapped. I'll never wear sunscreen again. And just and just get zapped every time is okay science i would say maybe get them get them looked at. I don't know. I just don't think any kind of spots on your body are necessarily inexact or i'll take care of you man. Yeah let's just dig in there. That doesn't what we're here in. Houston i could just go with my pops and get it. Checked out at md anderson chato md. Anderson hospital Any relation there. I got to look into that. That would be really cool if i came from Released mark doctors. I'm gonna say no. Nobody in my family is smart. Dr Yeah because i feel like i would have got some of the trickle down knowledge and ama- pretty damn guy. No no. I am even though right. Well now that you double down on it the way i know i'm dumb person is because if i meet someone dumber than me and it's very rare that it happens it really sticks out in my mind. I'm like whoa. You must be dumb as for right right right right. That actually happened. When i got here in atlanta like the person who was kinda working the front desk at this place was blow them to playing. You're going to be stayed in his hotel for like two months. But this is for sure listening adult so the person that worked there was super smart at this other guy. That was they randomly. Go ahead this. This guy's listening dr big band. I'm big fan of blake. I'm listening to this podcast. I literally know what room you're in. I know he's gonna fuck in put pin worms in your fucking toilet. I'm saying dude as the front desk concierge. There are just a few things you gotta know. I literally ask like where is what floor is the garage on. Or how do i get to the parking garage And they're like. I think maybe second floor and i'm like but it could be three or four two and i'm like okay. Okay you work here right. And then i checked and it was and then i came back down like immediately after and i'm like. Hey you were right. And they're like what. i'm like. Second flirt the garage and this idea who you are. Okay discuss talking at me. I'm right about what you're right. That is weird. Because i mean we're all definitely dumb in our own ways. I wouldn't say we're dumb. People like in general and the grand scheme of life. I say any of us are actually dumb people. But we're definitely dumb in our own specific. Certain ways yeah. Do you think we're smart with our powers combined before us okay. Do you think we're smarter like are are smart powers. Combined are smarter than our dumb powers combined are dumb like are we collectively stupider than we are smart Yes that or do you guys even understand what i'm saying i do. I don't get it. No i think Goodbye i think the reason that we worked together as a group. So well is there. Were all the deficiencies what we're good at outweighs are deficiencies. And you're you're smart at the thing. I'm and i'm smart at the thing that you demand and vice versa. Well said i'll be like guys. What time is it. you'll tell me were able to. It will say yeah. We're able to tell time. That's the only leg-up i have on the four of us combined weekend tell you the time the month and the day of the week but it takes a lot of work. No i would say. I think the magic of us is how collectively stupid we are. That's why i love us guys. Come on yeah well for sure. That is a reason. But the reason that we work together and that we've been able to actually Have a career and have careers together as a unit is that words managers and agents. We have people pushing us to start. Podcasts yes truer drew and we're really sexy and yeah i will say that we're so sexy. That is true. Washboard abs hot hot hot. We're we've gotten so sexy with age to age. Yeah reef stayed young looking guys. we've talked. I know we talked about this. But i'm just circle back to this well. We kept her hair. Skin looks great. We're getting a couple of spots. But hey we're pushing for neva. We're getting a few spots. Whoa hey we're gonna laser those bitches off. I'm surprised i'm blake. I am surprised. You don't have like sunspots or way more wrinkly because you used to sit in the sun all day long and like that was your goal is to see how dark you would get right. We would have the like tan off. And i would never wear any sort of sunscreen but there wasn't much of a tan off. It was the rest of us would go about our lives and then jobs get. You would actively sit by the pool which the rest of us weren't doing and you would sit there all day long. The tan off has begun. We're like we're not really doing it. I mean at the boys looking a little little death the out there man. I applaud ten off the office happening. Meanwhile we didn't sign up for this town off at all. We're like yeah. I guess Sure oh yeah. You're going to go out on a lunch date with a girl that's cool town off. You're going to watch a movie indoors in the summer. that's not good for the tan off. The i'll be here by myself getting tan. Oh yeah adam what you booked a show. you're in a commercial. I'll be tan off. Sorry reading another x. men book sorry at. I'm too busy any. I'll be right here tanning okay. I'll be with these squirrels and birds tanning. I never really had a freckles. Or anything and it was the last two summers of being in orange county by the beach and just being in the sun all the time. All of a sudden my my skin was like. Oh you don fucked up boy. You don't fuck up. They're going to have freckles. All over. you're gonna have a weird sunspot. You were making you look all hell. Yeah he's i being passive aggressive. She's like giving me like two hundred dollars face. Lotions i dunno just to keep your skin healthy Here we go. Put this on your face at night. And i'm like why do you think i look old. No no she's been putting it on when you're sleeping. I don't think she was like. I was told not to wear reflective sunglasses because the sun hits the like mirrored part and then it just blasts on your skin like tenfold or something. I just doubles down why. I wonder if that's what it is. 'cause it's right under. Where like a sunglass. would it kick it. Maybe it's shoot down. Because i was wearing mir goggles Swing outdoors because you have to for for backstroke. Everyone out there knows this and it was just destroying my everyone knows i come on common knowledge. Hey don't act like you don't know Durr's i gotta pull the house. I'm renting in charleston on. Because i'm there normally shooting the right just gemstones young and i have a pool at this house which i never. I haven't had a pool in a long time since i lived with. Blake where he say it out by the pool and good and do his tanning him. I won lose to speed looking out the window at him. I didn't take. We didn't take enough vantage of that who we had a lap pool at the workaholics house where we lived and there was an awesome lap. Will back there. And i like the first year we lived there. I went in and probably five or six times and then the next year or two times and then the years after that i never went in that pool. Like f- became your garbage. Well one is disgusting. There is truly just like a snakes and frogs and reptiles living inside of it you. This is very nice. I'm going to get one of those. I'm going to get one of those leashes do you fuck with them. Leashes but like swim leashes Have a leash. I have a leash and it's it's okay. It's weird what i got because my pool. It's probably only like i mean not only it's great. It's like forty feet long. Probably which only but like as far as like a swimmer who was looking for a legit workout. You want at least twenty five yards. Fifty meters would be great. So i bought this drag suit which is like but but you can't ask backyard right fifty meters. That'd be crazy but some people have twenty five yards which is like legit but like i bought this drag suit. Has these pockets on it. That like parachute out right and so you swim super slow so it takes me more strokes to get across but then i just also started swimming again at the rose bowl and it's this way better now. Yeah so you're saying. I shouldn't 'cause those leashes are kind of expensive. I was like all in. I'm like i'm going to spend like five hundred bucks all this shit. Yeah i got some my pleasure dollars. Yeah i got some links in. It's like five hundred bucks for send me what you're talking about because i want to see what you're talking about the one hundred dollars tops where you have a belt and like a bungee cord tied or something. Oh you know dane cook he. This is i like this strap. Dane cook it. Hit me up. When i was cycling all the time and i still am but he was hitting me up at the beginning quarantine when i was talking about my bike and live in a real cycle lifestyle. Dude i'm into cycling too. If you're ever in hollywood we should go right together. I'm like right never was never did And then like a few months after that he goes. Hey i'm off that cycling shit. I found my new shit is swimming. And if have a pool it's a hell of a workout. You should get a leash and go swimming. I'm like. I don't have a pool. But now i have a pool and i hit him up. I'm like hey what's up with those swim leashes. And then he sent me all the shit that he is and it's like five hundred dollars. I know danes just riches. Fuck yeah so he he got swindled. Here's i guess what i could recommend to. You is doing like interval shit. We're like you push off and you go all out for like twenty seconds and then go back to the wall rest for a minute and do that like a bunch of times but as far as like casually swing in place on a leash it really to me sucks but if you want if you swim all out and see how far you can kind of pull the stretch cord. That's kind of fun but yeah swimming in place casually for like ten minutes or whatever you feel insane like imagine. Imagine being tied to a tree with a belt on. And you're and you're running in place you know. It's like weird. That sounds terrible but like a thing that would be like a stationary bike is pretty legit. But you're saying swimming in the water is swimming swimming and actually going across pool is great so if you have a big enough pool it's great but i had the thing that blew the water at you right and that was okay. It was alright. Yeah so it was like swimming river now. We know this kind of swim in place because it's blowing water at you which i do all the time. On this on this podcast. We really covered everything we covered. Are you know how our skin is aging worms in poops. My dad got on here. You guys got see big dennis day. The hairless hero and now we talked about our fitness routines in the pool. Guys we did it all on. This guy's olympic trials. I think it starts tomorrow in omaha. Adam i always wanted to go to omaha for trials in fucking see year old stomping grounds but one day. We'll get we'll get there one day then that. Oh and what do they do that. Then olympic trials next time is that three years from now. They do it again. And what's great about that. One in four years. And i and i'm going to qualify. You are swimmer. That'd be so tight every go. Would you be the oldest swimmer to qualify. Dare torres was forty one. i think it was Listen if y'all know barrow torres. Irvine was mid thirties when he you know where our knowledge stops and stops with simone. Yeah my favorite swimmer. Assign mon apologies. Epoch slams I'd like to epic slam kyle. Who's not on the pod. Today would be really just dropped out. You know what it was is he. He had poor internet and then instead of trying to get back on he goes cut and blame. Yeah yeah and it makes sense to. I did miss. I really want him. I bet he had a talent really fun stories about solids and other things that you're going to have been lights. a better. He had he had to go check his hair. He was itchy and he was like actually wait a minute. Mom did go out with a good one though he he's like i punched my mom. And so like wow right. Well mom yeah i can. I do an apology. Let me do an apology to everyone who privately not publicly but privately thought were gross disgusting families when their kids got pin worm Hey now i know. I'm part of a grow discussing family. Yeah absolutely as soon as my kids are free of worms back to judging the families. Good the cause of diarrhea. Good for you. Good growing true. And i'm judging admittedly i am judging you and emma and just how you raise those children to get worms right now. We're not raising the. I don't know where they are now. Raising them yeah. Those children are wolves. Human wolves out in the wilderness. Just eat obviously eating garbage and getting arms. Little one does how a lot at what he calls. Cody's is like out. He odi little dookie inspector got worms while man and then i have a spray bottle and i just spray them in the face. Yeah they don't like that. I'd like to have big shot. I to to dennis de. Who's just sitting over there Looking at Instagram right now. Forgetting on the podcasts. I guessed Yeah i guessed ever first last and we're done without unless denzel washington does want to get on long-term does yeah. I feel like that'd be fun to talk to him. he'd probably have some knowledge. Anybody with a den in their name gets on the pod. Okay denzel dennis devine. Any woman named denise caffeine denise is a strong named not a lot of denise anymore. I feel like there's no simone but i'm with you know simone. Yeah we need needs knees de nieces. Do a baby named denise anywhere born this year. i feel like that name. Tiffany name came and went right. I feel like if we do. The this is important. Drag show live Which i think it'd be fun. I think it's a good pitch. Were i'll bring my dad out as denise and full heels full six shields the whole thing shaking his head hell you no way. Have you guys dressed as a woman. The woman i I did for halloween one time. Yeah yeah. I did for halloween in highschool or something i did it for. Tk's pilot because remember that's right. You looked terrified. That's right. Yeah you were scary looking bra. I gotta posted pecks. Yeah you gotta post those pigs. Because i met some guys out they wanna get this now a buddy mine. Listen as a buddy of mine. His brother Racist so buddy minds. Brother full blown huge. Whatever the fuck that boxers. And so huge jake paul fan and so he just had an affair with a black girl and how how they found out was the they sent a he sent by the black girl photos and the kid was looking at the ipad and all the sun. The photos came up on the ipad and took it to the multiple. Those those photos are him in full on dressing. He was like a milan drag. How crazy is that in. That's why he's racist. He's sending this out to a blind. No he was racist just as a person but then and then he he. He was dating a black girl so then he was like see. I'm not racist like but you're you were pretty racist though Crazy is that there's like that's just goes to show like how many weird layers and there are people and how many ti anytime like. Someone is that it leans too hard one direction. You're like row. 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Parental Alienation, Women Vets, Lady Evelyn Cobbold, Being Average

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Parental Alienation, Women Vets, Lady Evelyn Cobbold, Being Average

"This is the bbc. This podcast is supported by advertising outside the uk. Bbc sounds music radio podcasts. Hello i'm emma bonnet and welcome to women's are from bbc radio four hello and welcome to the program and to the fourth installment of listeners. Where you drive the content and away from driving for just a moment. I'm also thinking this morning of the hundreds of people walking one hundred and thirty miles from cardiff to rif greenham. Common to mark the fortieth anniversary of the peace come that was set up to protest against us nuclear weapons four decades ago. Thirty six people mainly women made that same journey and more than seventy thousand women took part in the process at its height. the biggest female led protests since women's suffrage. We'll be talking about the original greenham. Common protests are next friday's program and hearing from some of the women who took part but wanted to take your mind there for a moment but back to today like our previous three programs this week. I can promise you a very varied menu. As i tried to find out answers and shine a light on the issues and people. You have flocked to us. That is why we will hear the remarkable story of lady. Evelyn cobbled the scottish aristocrat born in eighteen sixty seven who converted to islam and is thought to be the first muslim woman born in britain to perform the hajj pilgrimage. It's also why i'm talking to to vets today. After a listener flag that the majority of vets female and many are struggling to cope with the volume and intensity of their work. And it's also why we're against talk about something slightly counterintuitive to the media. The joy of being average. This discussion has been prompted a listener cool. Sarah hope she's listening. Good morning to you. She wrote in to say is huge pressure to have a career look great own a big house drive a new car. Brilliant at something. But i'm really boring an ordinary. I'm not a hero. I don't accelerate anything. And i just to along a have a boring admin job my looks average. Drive three year old car and live in a two bedroom house. Maybe we should celebrate the average as well as the brilliant and that is what to ask you about today. Do you take joy in being average. What does that mean to you or do you need the energy of keeping striving pushing achieving aiming for the next thing you find yourself constantly comparing your work your life the way you look so people around you whether that's in the workplace in your family and your friendship group if so at what cost potentially your happiness or maybe it gives it gives you energy let me know eight four eight four four the joy of being average or does not make you recoil in horror on social media at bbc women's our email through a website but i today could be the last day british troops can evacuate any afghans kabul airport as the uk's evacuation mission draws to a close ahead of the deadline. The government's defense secretary. Ben wallace has warned that not everyone is going to get out and with many still waiting outside. Kabul's airport time is running out the bbc's sekundar commodity is at the airfield. Here here's earlier describing the desperate scenes on the ground. it was incredible to see a very distressing. Of course just huge numbers of people still turning up to the airport whole family's old women sitting in wheelbarrows because they're unable to walk themselves. Young children being carried by their parents and an endless stream. Looking through the filth. The dust the heat you know at times facing gunshots most of them were large number of them with no realistic chance of boarding the evacuation flights. Because they just don't have the right paperwork that of course making even more difficult for the handful that do have the right paperwork or all foreign citizens but are just unable to push their way through the crowd. I was speaking to one. Elderly woman yesterday son was a former interpretive for the. Us army they had all been told to go to airport. They'd spent six days and six nights living in awful conditions and it kind of makeshift camp and she was so frustrated with all the other people who turned up but also with the entire evacuation process. I mean i also. I said given all of this. Isn't it worth to sticking out in afghanistan. seeing how things go should just. Don't have that option. The americans should shoot us were they should let us through. But we're not staying here very dramatic scenes. There are many groups of people who are trying to escape taliban rule a lot has been said about the afghan interpreters who helped british in. Us troops over the past two decades but also at risk our politicians humanitarian workers. And those who worked in the legal system now there are thought to be more than two hundred and fifty female judges in the country who have been described at as being uniquely at risk because of their status as women and also because some of these women will have been involved in cases and trials with taliban members herod woman's out. We've been contacted by someone who has worked with some of these women we're not revealing who she is or her specific role to protect her identity. But here is a statement senseless by a woman who was a senior female judge in the country. The international community has in recent years witness. Women's progress in afghanistan on so many different fronts creating positive change in society participation in politics and civil society fighting for the rights of women and children. Social justice women's participation in high-ranking managerial roles we created new laws and policies to fight with violence against women freedom of speech freedom of media on of political cultural business activities. These are some of women's achievements in the last twenty years. During the first taliban regime women were forced to stay at home and experienced serious discrimination. They were deprived of their right to education and from work activities in offices and prison society female judges and attorneys would first victims of this process now taliban or again talking about sharia law this means they have the same ideology and nothing has changed on the or inouye aligned with the values we fought for all these years. Women activists journalists judges on attorneys. Won't be able to continue working women. Judges already have received warnings and threats. I myself have received detriments by foreign from taliban members and former prisoners and i had to leave my home and stay with my relatives. I do not believe the taliban will keep their promises about the right of education and work for women and girls the have their own interpretation of islam on will impose restrictions on women based on their own understanding of the religion. They may allow some women doctors and teachers to continue working subject to restrictions that they have stated in their present us on under international pressure. They may allow girls to go to school and study in areas. That women are allowed to work right now. I have been forced to stay at home and won't receive my salary now. My family and i are receiving death threats. Because of my work we received threatening phone calls and we don't know how they found our personal details phone numbers and home addresses. We had to leave home and hide in another place. These are not coincidence. They've been helped by people within the previous system. Otherwise with all those weapons and training experience officers in the last twenty years. How is it possible to lose a war overnight. A woman who was a fee senior female judge in afghanistan. We have rejoiced that statement to protect the woman's identity. That message came to his hair. Women's are but she remains in the country. Joining us. Now is is stephanie. Boys president of the law society in england and wales and baroness elena kennedy. Qc stephanie come to you you've been calling for the judge the government to help these judges. What is the latest. You're hearing statue absolutely have supported. The the little scientific from the wells has supported efforts to meet chilly evacuate judges and prosecutors by sharing information with orange whilst development office and also this information is in the strictest confidence able to say anything more at this stage but hopefully we will have not eight spur besa later today and in terms of i know you do have to be careful because this is a very live situation and people's lives are risk. We just heard about death. Threats to to the woman who was in touch with our program in terms of the the experiences that you're hearing is is similar without breaking any confidences. We'll absolutely. I mean the stories that we are here in As to the individuals stories were here in the pleas for help and stateful is of the utmost concern as the situation that some fulton in afghanistan is of concern of. That's why we of little sassy legal professionals very concerned with this situation on the ground there and we are continuing to work with government to lobby government a full that safety in being located elsewhere and indeed to the united kingdom baroness kennedy. Good morning to us. Well just to talk about before we talk about any legal obligations. We have or may have to these judges in this country. It is very striking. Just to note. Impose on the facts that some of these women will have been prosecuting. The taliban they absolutely have i head up. The institute of human rights for the international bar. association is based here in london. And we've had close. Associations with afghanistan have been very involved in the setting up of a bar association. They're on the development of the legal profession. And we know some of these wonderful women on the are incredible and in that twenty years as your woman. Judge saved and the developments have been a significant and and the changes in law to deal with violence against women to deal with a corruption in the system to deal with Narcotics because we know. Of course it's a drug creating place at the prisons of course one the first things. The taliban has already done is emptied the prisons they opened up the gates of the prisons and many of these people want to gate hat the judges who were involved in their cases. The women are inferior and you had the woman talking about the threats made. That's what we're hearing all the time we've worked with the law society with the english bar association but also with bar associations elsewhere particularly the united states to find ways of getting the women out. Now only lady we know that we have got a cohort of judges male and female out because they're so at risk there in the staging-post up dubai and dual ha and and they will be making their applications to britain and to do that the united states and destroy into different places and so we are really working with some urgency. Because we're in the last days now of when this is going to be possible and you can imagine one of the things that these women are saying is. I don't want to leave without my with my children I don't want to leave my my husband or so. They want to be able to do this with other members of their family and so that of course complicates the applications that are being made. But it's a it's a really tragic and and and terrifying situation for them all they able to qualify for any schemes that we have highlighted in this country. So far the government of highlighted of course last week was the announcement we had the home sector on the program talking about the refugees scheme. She did say that the majority of those who will be eligible will be women and children are of the twenty thousand and of course we've also had the scheme to help those who've helped the forces do we know where the judges fit into this elena. Well we've been. We've been in touch with the foreign commonwealth into you. Know the the the the the foreign office to say that these women have to be included Because the are out there. Probably the highest level of risk Because of the rules that they've played and And we hope that we've got the ear of of those who make those decisions and women will be included and stephanie. Absolutely right that you know. The the difficulty is that there's a process. People want information details and so on and and the women of course at the moment are not in positions easily to get in touch with even agencies like the low societe or the bar council here but Fortunately we've got people who worked there on the ground who are now out and her able to make contact more effectively than because they've got the language and and so that's what we're doing we're using a lewis who are waiting on the outside To help us deal with Arrangements for insight. The there has been a hotline created which allows people even there to to foreign But it's indicated as you can imagine a suicide for easily over where at hellenic. Kennedy baroness kennedy. Thank you very much. Qc stephanie just to give the final word to you. Ask president of of the law society in england and wales. They'll be people perhaps listening. Who are legal. Professionals lawyers judges in this country. Is there anything that you were advising them to do to help leslie walk we. The has scott has put numerous press releases out information on websites. We also individuals to see getting contact with us. If they have information a practical advice that we can share that we put on our website that we can connect with other organizations individuals to the legal profession is renowned for seek into a promote the rule of law and of course to ensure that legal professionals and others On the ground afghanistan were risks are safe An heavy said with that family at relocated to save places around the world. So do get in touch what we can. connects consumation of and signpost individuals accordingly. I- stephanie boys. Thank you and sue barness kennedy as well there and of course those details about the refugee scheme of ups about that valuable ordeal certainly around with from the government talking how the majority will be From that scheme will be predominantly women and children who are vulnerable but very powerful indeed to to get that testimony from a former senior judge female judge in afghanistan who isn't able to work at the moment and got in touch with the program. Now you're getting in touch with us and it is listening week about the email that we receive from sarah about being average the messages are coming in on some some like this word. Some of you really don't like this word but some of you saying this is incredibly refreshing to talk about this. Is there more pressure on us. These days to be extraordinary nonstop updates on social media the constant pressure. Pops climb the career ladder. It seems a lot of feel under strain to be special. The best released better than average. But is there joy in being average at sarah got in touch to say. She's really boring and ordinary. Not a hero and doesn't excel at anything. She just toothless along messages just to read before i go to our guests after leaving the treadmill of secondary and university education where everything was graded in there for competitive. I've embraced mediocrity. It's such a peaceful place to be if feels like a much more sustained a sustainable way to live life. Without burning out. I think the pressure to be excellent at things or to perform higher and higher level. Hold many people back from trying new things or enjoying it's at their own level. The union of being something is a freeing place to be mediocrity for the win or at least for taking parts is catherine existing in cambridge. Good morning another one here. This took me back to two thousand and five of my husband and two children located to the super tech silicon valley region of california. While i doubt with the realities of being a mother to school age kids at the various good burden humdrum that went with the territory. I seem to be surrounded by mothers who offspring were all high achievers in absolutely everything i remember driving behind a car one day and reading the bumper sticker which said proud parents of the only average child in silicon valley. That made my day. And some of saying what's average all about am i average. I'm not sure i'm okay with this. Let's talk to ellen. Ross showy author of good enough the myth of success and how to celebrate the joy in average and sarah stena bronco faculty member and former head of content at the educational company. The school of life eleanor. Good morning morning joining us. There is a rather large already head to celebrate being average your and talking about this on the radio when you go to book do book out there. Well yes but. I just want to really save if i were dating. Sarah sounds very average either. I think those accomplishments you're a humdrum. Life com be healthy car. Wash sound pretty good. And i think this is just about reassessing starting blocks and thinking. Oh well actually. The fact that i'm able to communicate and get by. It's actually pretty pretty good. Then i would say that is a very successful thing that we're here alive. Speak with each other. Let's be optimistic about being optimistic. But what drove you to wants to drive to drive. Or i should say to write about the joy of being average even if some people are taking issue with the word. Yeah for sure. I think to me. It was the dinner party test. I you renew within party or not very papa. So you know anything. I wasn't going to dinner parties. Going to the ball and strange girls. What you do. And there's a lot of pride of thinking in my thirties career seen so important. And you say oh emptying. I'm a journalist or you want to make you sound impressive but actually what i was doing was making very miserable. Obviously extremely overworked and underpaid time with my friends my real life but by basically steering something. I thought was not ever rich on me and my friends all innocent. We're all suffering from briefings He stress depression and actually taking a step back and realizing that there's more to life than simply saying what forty dollars a day has really made huge difference to me on my my pills i think because now would you do so. I work As a in communications so in journalism disability has a bit of about rat few you if you can't hug journalists in the story goes you go into comes and frankly it has been wonderful liberating because i want a brilliant nine to five. I have time to guy from buttons in my dog but but really it's it's also not wants to say the other thing that made me want to write this book research. This topic was that i think can journalism and entertainment. You often see people's parents saw you. You became disappointed by kevin saint people how to like up before it even got started on the north of england of sheffield. Whenever i wanted to work experience. I had to rent hostile in london de about two weeks. The coveted Job and they moved and happy to do and it was so worth it. And my editors brilliant. But all these friends i had his parents already worked to media and i think it was just breathe defining what success men is different for different people. My starting books different. I think yeah i was. I think that's really fascinating You know how much privilege unlock play a role that people do not at knowledge when they're talking about achievement and unlock is actually a huge. I mean you can argue. One comes from the other is a huge part of that even if he works really really hard. And there's been quite a lot of people talking about needing to acknowledge that but the so-called quote unquote dinner party tests having a job. That's really easy to explain in. Sounds very cool. indeed. Sarah let's let's bring you at this point when you've been educating people. You specialized in putting on courses radicals is something that they come to you about. The they need to. It needs to sound good their life which is passed the pressure absolutely at the school of life. We have an a course on how to find a job that you love. We have a course called how to fail. And both of these Speak quite a bit to this problem. We have people come in and they. They're really miserable. Just like eleanor was but they feel like they should have. They should keep going in this. You know particular profession because it will impress people because people will pay attention to them in a social event or because their parents will be pleased with them and the reality of course is to sit ours was a very achievement based culture and we we think about that as the center of identity there even interesting psychology studies show that more than almost any other culture on planet earth that we can measure people define themselves not by their relationships to others like i'm so and so's mother But rather by their chievements themselves. Hey i'm a lawyer. And that's the first thing they say in a dinner party so one of the things we focus on in our narc losses in our books of the school of life is to remind people that this is a very particular thing about our culture and that other cultures in the past have a much more robust sense of what might constitute a successful life which includes of course being average and and also you found in your research and what you've looked at that it depends on where you live in the world if you are you a Living in certain countries. It won't be about what you have achieved. And in other countries it will be about your bonds in your connections absolutely. It's about your relationship to other people but how you fit into the community I think this is something that we can try to to adopt in the way we think about ourselves at today we think success basically means something. That sounds good on linked in and maybe a mortgage sort of conventionally how the word success is used but as we say You know could be successive. Looking at clouds could be a success. It just means being at something and interestingly it doesn't mean that you actually have to be above average at that thing. I think something that we haven't yet figured out partially because competition is they're useful to capitalism and capitalism is a bit implicit in all of this to put it mildly is that we can measure our achievements in ways other than comparing ourselves to other people and when we do so we can experience other kinds of joy including collaboration and mediocrity which is quite joyful really because the pressure is so much less than the pressure is of. I love pressure. See so a slight problem. I sympathize or myself. I've tried to reform as well. Not least because i recently learned not even breathing properly. I breathe in the upper chairman. You should breathe from at your diaphragm. I'm an epochal breather apparent because i'm adrenaline junkie ellen. Let me bring you back in on this. We've just had brilliant message come in from someone who's cool misses lawson She said that comparison is the thief of joy. That's what she's taught her children and it sounds like a brilliant lesson. What a great line is that. Is that really at the heart of this now. More than ever that the ability to allow yourself just to be wherever you are has been taken because of things like social media. Yeah absolutely and i think that's a great title for another book thing. I think social media is your apartment. It's not to blame. We've always had keeping up with the joneses part about capitalist narrative card. I think one of the things that is is really important to just consider as how even hope he's Becoming competitive people bake off brilliant show. But you know it's it's not just about baking cakes relaxes. It's about making the best cake. It's not just about sewing. It's not just about running a ten k. It's about winning a mets. Everything we do has a. You can win at. It isn't it. Isn't that quite good. Though sometimes that that energy that desire it can be a huge engine in your life. I mean i'm just looking at the message. Say hello eighty-six partially-sighted with a heart condition. But i'm still competitive. I'm faced independent. And i would hate to be considered average that person's wonderful and but i think we just have to be very Stick if you look at where we fit in the universe. We've got persons up. Zero pessina hundred went win peasants era. We're not some nine hundred everyone. In the that area people were average you know. Einstein was einstein. But i bet he was not great dishes. He was average bridget. That i think just have to cut ourselves some slack and if this age sexual person you sounds phenomenal. It's spritely energetic. that's great. I would hate to take any of that away from them. But they've they've obviously got great control of their life and they've driven narratives. Think that the idea of being successful drives women in particular try be successful at every single aspect which is quite exhausting and can meet bernau. I was gonna ask you also about this when you're running these classes. Did you see more women sign up. Was it more of an issue for women minded tool so mentioned. We've had another message saying i notice. People crippled by excellence. They felt they have to be the best worker parent or friend. And then i came across the idea of the good enough mother. Being excellent can be a problem. Yeah that's wonderful We don't have precise statistics on the gender attendants. Although i do think we might have slightly more women am but but the good enough parent is something that we're obsessed with at the school of life. We loved it term. It's from the psychoanalyst. Donald wind caught and his basic point. Was that people would come to him with their children and they would say you know but maybe she didn't eat the right peas and when should she start doing this developmental task and so on and he would tell them look really as a parent. Your job isn't to be exceptional. You don't need to be constantly pushing the child to do things and you don't yourself need to be particularly better than any other parents. All the child really need this is for you to be there regularly to be reasonably calm reasonably attentive and so on and that's the foundation for a good life and it's really all we need to develop whole happy complete to degree that any of us are lifespans and so I think good enough can be transposed into a lot of other areas of life. Of course we can be good enough workers and that's enough. We can be good enough partners. Not perfect not even exceptional. Just good enough and will be quite happy if we're able to embrace that so it's just. It's just a bit awkward when someone isn't good enough and they really think they are. But that's a whole other discussion. Sarah sarah stein. Thank you very much for talking to us. Allen ross You can carry on being average having you book deal and everything else. It's relocated to you how to celebrate the joy in average and giving its full title. Good enough the myth of success. And it's nice to hear the phrase yourself some slack a lot of people relating to that. Answer what you said. I really wanna read this message. That's coming onto. Its from someone called. It's all about cake. great motto. Being average is very difficult for child. Free women because you don't have children. Everyone thinks he should have an amazing career an interesting hobby or be a volunteer to find quote. Your fulfilment very much wanted to shed ice what we just said about the good enough parents. Another message hair. My husband's needs resolution is to embrace mediocrity. And he's doing very well assert so far. Am i love this from jail before we move on. I had a job interview this week. I'm in my sixties. And i was asked for my greatest personal achievement of stumped. I'm here on. i just got through life. What more do they want. Great flute trumpet leaning good. I got the job. He didn't let us know that. Can you message about please. Eight four eight four four. We need to know to get in touch and key messages coming in the joy of being average. What does that mean to you. And i say we had received a message about parental alienation. It's the unjustified rejection of a parent by a child and can be the results of psychological manipulation by the other parent while this happened to one of our listeners. Got in touch to say. She hasn't seen or spoken to her teenage daughter in six years. We've always stopped her message. The day i had my daughter was the best my life. I remember holding remind arms for the first time. She's perfect as a total suicide. Dancing dressing up laughing. But by the time i thought was nine. My husband had physically abused me. We started divorce proceedings. But i was protected my daughter from the truth about her dad thinking i was doing the right thing. It started his campaign to convince. My daughter is bad for through continual criticism of make al-damir freaking other coercion. He succeeded three years onto went to a dance and never returned. My life revolved around coats and child support agencies every professional greed. We should have a relationship but they could only encourage this to happen not to order it some agencies saw photos of my blackened body and manipulative texts from dad. Social services said i am worried. She's not receiving the writing courage moment from her father about maintaining a relationship with her mother. Most painful was hearing alien words. Come from my daughter's mouth. My mom never changed a nappy. She said i now know that using the other parents were it common sign. I know that my child will never again be my child. I have not heard of voice of seen her face in years. It's a nightmare. I've never worked out from on good day. I wonder whether starting university might change things whether independence might give her an alternative perspective. It's too late for me. The only thing i can do positively is to raise awareness about what parental alienate is. That it can happen to any mother. Professionals must go further than simply encouraging relationship. My child was brainwashed. And i believe it's child abuse. I hope i can help. Prevent another mother from experiencing this pain voiced up version of the message that we were sent from one of our listeners. Who's experienced this. Dr amy baker is a research author and parental any nation expert. How common is this and welcome to the program. I'm happy to be here. I'm very very moved by that story. That's exactly the kind of conversation that i have. You know Throughout every day every week of my life. I talked to parents who sound very much like this mom in terms of the prevalence of parental alienated. We don't actually have any epidemiological data. We know that about eighty percent and of divorces there some elements of badmouthing the other parent and some of the other parental only nation strategies but thankfully not every child exposed to those parental alienation behaviors. Gets all the way to the point that this particular moms child did in becoming so severely alienated the job completely cuts off the parent. Is it reversible. Do you out with parents to try and get their children back. Well at is a great and obviously really a very important question so for my own research. I know that even absent any legal intervention or mental health intervention. There's a subset of these kids who do come around. There's multiple capitalistic people. Eventually figuring out g may be mom wasn't so bad. Maybe i shouldn't have cut her off or supposedly not changing a nappy maturation plays a role and talking to other people. Who say what do you mean you cut off your mother because she slurps hirsute usually when my mother did to me and i still have a relationship Sometimes people go into therapy. Sometimes they become a parent them selves or sadly some people grow up and marry somebody like the alienating parent who then turned their child against them. There's multiple catalyst to people having sort of spontaneous awareness. Maybe i made a mistake. In car off that parent and now that the field is progressing we have a legal interventions and mental health interventions to really intervene before we have to wait for somebody to figure out all on their own and i also offer a coaching to targeted parents. Who again because of the efforts of this mom and so many other people the word is getting out back in the day. Somebody would call me and say. I haven't talked to my kid in ten years now i realize i put it all together and i can see what was happening now. People are aware of the signs of alien nation before it progresses to your child is talking to you anymore and obviously prevention and intervention. Those early stages is really key. I i want to combat to you in just a moment Dr amy bake. Let me bring in on the legal side. Louise baretta divorce and family solicitor. How is this playing out in the courts louise. It's very sad. Cases and courts are really not the the best place for these things to be sold. We soon lot more of these kind of cases coming to court nov lot more awareness of what what can happen behind the scenes They're often very difficult to identify. Because behaviors often very insidious. And it's only when you put it together that you see this pattern that it becomes clear as to what's happening To the child in if you took each incident in isolation it may not seem so bad. I think that's what's so difficult for The judges and the professionals involved so you know there is more awareness knowledge Judges have been trained more on this And we're hoping that things will get slightly better. The main problems at the moment of course are the delays in getting a matter before a judge to be heard those delays with significant before covert. But certainly even worse now. Can i say this is gonna say. Can you prove that it's happened. That parental alienation has happened. Well that's the difficulty you would ask the judge to miss the match for what fact-finding finding hearing so that you could set out in detail examples of the behavior and the judge could hear evidence from each parent and make a decision as to whether or not those things happened and whether or not there is parental alien action. This needs to be guided by experts as well psychologists and psychiatrists and sometimes independent social workers. But it's complicated to come about to to to you on this amy. Is there anything you could say. I know you would need a lot more detail but to our listener. Who has gotten such. I mean she. She said she wants to help others. And she hopes it doesn't happen to anyone else but is other any kind of basic tips. You could give from your experience talking to people to try and get your way back absolutely so the first thing really is to never give up on trying to reconnect with your child. Weekly phone calls text messages emails dropping by they work. You know unless the child says. I'm gonna kill myself or get you know. Get the cops involved if you send me another e mail. Oftentimes the targeted parent has to persist repeatedly reaching out because it might be the hundreds tax message or the five hundred phone call before the child picks up and says yeah. I guess i am ready to talk but more specifically i have. I had many many clients whose kids are over eighteen. The courts cannot get involving. Can't order therapy. They can't thanks for the other parent that can't make the kid talk to the parent And so i have developed a highly specialized somewhat counter intuitive method for helping the targeted parent. Right away letter to the adult alienated trial and the premise of the letter is that it's not about explaining to the child. Oh you think you're mad at me because you think i didn't change your nappi and you're wrong or it's true but it's only true for this reason or not that reason. You really shouldn't be mad at me. You're misunderstanding you need to hear things for my side of the story. That does not work. What does were at least sometimes is When i can help the targeted parent look at the relationship from the child's point of view. Not saying oh you think. I'm a terrible parent. I must be the worst bayern ever. But i think you're upset at me for this reason in this reason and i'd like to understand war and i'm interested in your felt experience and i want to sort of expand my perspective to understand what our relationship felt like for you. It's a it takes two hours for me to help somebody write a letter and it does work sometimes and the kids you know. Sometimes you get an angry response back. Which i actually consider good because the kids invested enough in bothers and up to write back and say i met you. Your letter missed the boat. That's a good beginning. Because then the parent can follow up on that and sometimes the child the adult child responds back saying. Thank you for this letter. I feel like you heard me in a different way. I'm interested now in getting to know you again. And then there's the whole reparation. I mean it's not so easy. If you've been separated from you know if apparent atoll have been separated from each other for years it can be very awkward and stilted in authentic for the two people to try to come together and so they need support in that process as well. I think the message from your spouse is to not give up and and then they're all these stages to go through and it's incredibly tragic situation that one of our listeners in touch about but we're very happy to have heard your advice this morning. Thank you for joining us. Dr amy baker that under some of the the legal. Complexities of this lanky to louise baretto. Who's divorce and family solicitor. It is listening week. We we have a wide range of issues that have come to the four and one of them has come in from dr machinery hill going touch about vats and what's going on in that field of work over three million households of acquired a new pat since the start. Pandemic vet practices are said to be overwhelmed. Research has revealed an increase in teams experiencing intimidation from their clients well machinery hills written into say the veterinary profession is predominantly female. It also has one of the highest suicide rates of any profession that seems to be very few programs on television or radio about the challenges of being a fat. They seem to focus on the animal stories and hero vats or how money grubbing. We are as a profession. I'd love to hear women's our explore. Why it's such a female dominated profession. Why do we have such high suicide rates poor retention and all these links. Let's welcome to the program doxa. Rosie alastair a veterinary surgeon who manages the vet life help line which does offer a support service for the veteran veteran community and dr daniele da son sauce senior vice president british veterinary association and a practicing small animal and exotic pet vet. If i start with you and daniele you're president of the veterinary association at the height of the pandemic. Are you working. Vet's practice in milton. Keynes just just how challenging. How's the job being late. It has been incredibly challenging nothingness. A variety of reasons as a profession. We haven't been immune to kite. We've been in a situation where we've had to adjust always working. You know there was a period of time where the vast majority of best practices between what we could cups on console. So you go from having a client in your room and being able to have that interaction and compensation and build that relationship with them to going out to the cock taking the two-way examining having to have fun cools with them and actually you lose the human touch so of course the aspect the aspect of trying to keep everybody safe you know. How do you socially distance in very practice when you're trying to get a blood sample from an animal for example and alongside that we already had an existing recruitment retention issues that exist for a variety of different reasons. Why do they exist. Because that's one of the questions from our listener. I recall some pretty good evidence from Thought that the bvi data also the invest exits looking at my division satisfaction retention and. Actually there are pretty good links between sensitive feeling venues and fitting having role models. That have gone before you that you can aspire to to feel like you're valued source of information your colleagues and there's also linked between have negative feelings areas and facing gender discrimination linked to run out as well female element of this. Let's get you into this rosy. Why why did you get more. Women are drawn to this. It's really interesting question. I think there race says a lot of interesting. Sit around this particularly around working with animals. I'm sometimes that scene is gender documentation. There's something about relatively lower paid professions among the profession that pay compared to many jumps among the professions is definitely not the highest paid profession and that can affect the gentleman sip recruitment that can happen and i mean just to mention that about gender discrimination because part of what mathon way the listener saying you often see hero. Vets often their men on television. And this is kind of a whole of the world that we've just been given an insight into from our listener. Wh why not to shy away from this while the while they're suicides happening do you think what have you heard. Sure say we took to roundabout four thousand and equally contacts outline the and about one in twenty thirty sidel the time that we nine percent shoot that students. That around about forty percent of students experienced this idol so thinking about suicide big concerned about isis at the very important issue profession and we know that the reasons why stomach patients have higher. Risk of suicide can be related to a number of different things so practice to do with the job. I'm so jumping security kinds of issues. There's so speculative evidence there the recent strong evidence for this impact. But it's probably because people haven't touched. He looked specifically about whether people who may be at higher risk may be going to set patients and one of the kind of fairies that's happened in other areas about america is it. Is it possible that some people you've may have started south experiences this with people early in life. A more attracted to working with animals to say about speculative Semi something good fits into models of patient suicide risk and finally and importantly i would say this something about having access to methods of suicide through cannot is a very important issuing battery risk. We will say noticed. Something about occupational coach. That makes it incredibly hard. Mris something here from october. Medical helped by two oscar health. And it's complicated reasons for that but that is a very powerful force increasing so much suicide. That's a that's a very full picture for people you know. Have a clue about this. It will be. I'm sure eliminating on obsessing to hear daniele. What do you want to say on why you think this is the case in terms of suicides. Think it's really important as rosy we get across. This is a really complex. Issue is not a single factor is leading to this statistic. You know is a profession for various reasons stress and burnout extremely prevalent. It's not just about workplace factors and of course part it does play a part but it isn't just about workplace factors no and as you say things will be going into that but i think it's interesting to hear the culture of being that it's quite tree a lot of time. Do you think that's something that needs to improve or you're looking to change because people coming into this will no doubt have been through so much to get to this point as you have. Yes so i. I think it's actually the workplace culture within the issue run solid trainers. I think because actually islam we'll practice usually are multiple people in there. You know there's a whole team including threatening us. Section is formal and a coin practices slapping trees spend a little time right but actually i think about the culture. The things to me. This culture is slightly plus inflection. We need to be resilient profession. Resilience isn't just about an individual is about the systems in which right so if we have working environments you don't feel valued thing that you don't get regular breaks that you don't feel like he can aspire to leadership where you're at too discouraged leadership then you feel like you fit in. That then makes being work stressful. On top of that in fact we do emissions joke. We are talking about job. Non evolves the animals that you're dealing with families associated with those animals in these emotions that come with it so it's i think it's a slight cope when people saying i need to be more resilient actually me structures which work and address those adversity. What what would you say to that. By what pops needs to change being on that that life helpline completing grimsson another. I think it's red imports that we look systems. I think one of the big mistakes made some of mental health is kind of looking too much to individuals and saying. Hey you're doing something long hair. Actually it's about making systems that went Reporting we'll knife. The set with females agents. That are a number of gender aspects to work in traditionally male professions professions where there particular that patients that may affect the. Oh they might seem like minor things like small things that i've experienced even practices myself. Humanistic knee that greater than the some of that causes well. Kuban aggregate risk. Nice kinds of things might be things like just the recognition. Thanks so i've had times in practice. Been talking about to read just down with a client and it's getting them And as mayo veterinary student that we've knees twentieth open. The client will address the question stand and most were bracket. I think that and says it's recognized that and we'll recognize his name valley sword intent that but it's about the expectations and what the research from female given such shows this by stereotyped expectations. Along way sometimes objectification sometimes workplace factors like not having strong female role models in popular culture because of the liberty. But also this issue of episode mccann justice which pester myemma injustice is when you won't believe because of second characteristics that you have and that's an issue for women in traditions such gentle professions because women agenda professions like uh sometimes soon as less credible or they say it can feed into some of what you're you're talking about and kind of goes around and round. Well i feel like we've covered certainly a quite a few of the issues that talked him here. Wanted us to with your help. Thank you very much for doing that. And i should say. Because i can see you rosie fetching though with some bunnies on is that is that part of your everyday. It has to feature an animal that all just today especially asian expecting that meet. We the horse or a dog on that. But thank you so much because of course is a tricky issues to to try and cover and try and explain why they have happened. But we really appreciate you you say. Dr rosie alastair dr las dos. Santos thank you to you. And i should say if you've been affected by any issues in this discussion. There are a range of organizations and websites that can offer you advice and support. You can find them listed on the bbc's action on website at bbc dot co dot uk forward slash action. Line question for you. Not just about being average and the joy of that but some brilliant warmest is coming in on that no combat those shortly. Have you ever heard of lady. Evelyn cobbled one of our listeners. Saudi cows thinks he should have done. And i'm going to give the microphone. Siu why should we know about this woman. I thank you lead. The evidence was anglo scottish aristocrat and she was born in eighteen sixty seven and she was a child marine with seven dunhill in nineteen hundred fifteen at a time when islam is completely on huddled in the uk and changes her name to sign up. Now what. I found fascinating about her story was. Here's a woman in the taurean era a time when women are second class citizens. They are very restricted than in charge of their fate and she was completely alone in her face and she was so compelled by what she felt inside that she made it an outward reality and your second segments today was about you know allowing yourself to be who you are and to me eat. This was actually Truly expressing the south and being successful Elevate an doing so elevating others around her a and she did face many challenges because of have Conversion to islam She was rejected. Have family. It later became the reason for her separation with her husband in nineteen twenty two again. A big deal of being separated woman in one thousand nine hundred ninety two but despite the consequences she was so and so bold she wasn't scattered the rejection or intimidation resembling faced by society. She stood boldly against her family. Her wrist coursey and just stood up coach. What she believed in and i felt seven spotted by her story. That other people should know who she was whistling. Not just being a person who stands up for what they believe is something that any woman would be inspired by the and also making her pilgrimage. Going on the hatch. You know this this this. This whole story is also made even more remarkable about that journey because women were not doing this at the time. They certainly weren't doing it on their own. I their she becomes the first muslim woman to travel to mecca and make pilgrimage in one thousand nine hundred ninety three and in doing so. She says that it was her greatest. Wish had been fulfilled and performing. The hajj is the fifth pillow of islam. And it's every. Muslims wish to do that to deepen the spirits reality and i found it fascinating that you could be a from a a rule rural village in pakistan or and Scottish aristocrat landau yet your dream and passion for the hired and being united under gore. Does exactly exactly the same. She writes that. Islam brings humanity peace and justice and consoled many perplexing proper problems of the world. And also i found the other thing i found very fascinating about. How is that she was. She came to his islam- from childhood. Could she writes that. She always felt she was muslim. It wasn't it wasn't a sudden conversion as she spent her childhood winters with her father in africa in algiers in cairo and a lot of time with nineties and visiting children and she was living in arabic. I'm only that she met. The pope has well when she did meet the pope. He asked if she was catholic and she replied that note. I'm listen and she writes when his gayness suddenly addressed me and asked me. If i was catholic i replied i was muslim. What possessed me. I don't pretend to know a much knit. And then was determined to read up on. Study the faith mission. She she fifty quite a bit in didn't she saudia in in this life of hers. Which is no. I know why you wanted to write to us and share the story. Thank you so much for for explaining. I just wanted to bring into this professor here smile at all. He's he's me. Who is an expert in middle east gender studies at the university of manchester. What you think we could all tape. Perhaps from lady. Evelyn story because it is an extraordinary exactly Extraordinary woman and not only because of this Story got to face but you has always been an extraordinary women Prior to that and as a woman handling three homes fitting into our stock astronautics society perfectly. Well she was also known as a A a being a first class short and stalker read demonstrated that wasn't everage or ordinary throughout her life. But what marked her really is these wintering in algeria and she mingled with kindred. And you know when you try. You don't really think seriously about face. And it is at this stage that she was unconsciously feeling being a muslim and she said it many times in her book that these years it algiers. Where very fomative. Obviously i think it's very important to point out that there were a lot of other women who were extraordinary like and who are troubled into the middle east and north africa called the orient at the time. Talk about nineteenth century. In fact i'd like to mention that lady. Mary montagu in the century. Prior to the night in the eighteenth century She was the first modern woman. Travelled to the middle east. She went to istanbul and mixed with ottoman halloween and experienced the lives of the ultimate women. And in fact i think throughout her encounter with these women should demystified eight at the orient and the hurry as a prison for muslim woman. She in fact was impressed about the lives of these muslim woman. And she didn't find veiling or the harim lies as being prisons or restrictive to women. It it is in fact on some occasions. She even addressed in orientale clothing and the her says she did not go to islam but she just found the orient and the life of muslim women fascinating as opposed to the stereotype of the times that muslim women were prisoners of the vapors. Hurry then in the eighteenth century that has been in a lawful attract. Big number of women. I would go also extraordinary. I may mention a few of them in fact A month the british we have judge would bend She's an explorer. Archaeologist language was later for belgian into english diplomat should trouble old throughout mesopotamia and asia minor. Well should really encountered orients. I i was going to say. There's there's a bit of homework. I to perhaps look up some more of these women in the woman that you've just named at some homework you saudi our. We always like to leave you with things to do. And you started this conversation about lady. Evelyn cobbled zena as she became known. Thank you to both of you. Thank you to you professor. It's very interesting to hear that wider context. And i know we started talking about the joy of being average and we've went before maneuvers editing. But it seems certainly the story of but it's been a fascinating morning. Thank you so much for your company and will be tomorrow at ten. That's all for today's women's Thank you so much for your time. Join us again for the next one. Hello i'm greg jenner. And i'm here to tell you that your dead to me is back for a fourth series array. Yes we are a comedy show. That takes history seriously. Each episode joined by top historian. 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Afghan Refugee Resettlement, Greenham Common, Rebecca Welch

Woman's Hour

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Afghan Refugee Resettlement, Greenham Common, Rebecca Welch

"This is the bbc. This podcast is supported by advertising outside the uk. Hello and welcome to today's program where we're going to discuss. Just that welcomes. What is a warm welcome actually mean the government has named the afghan evacuation which has seen fifteen thousand. Afghans arrive here in the last fortnight. Eight thousand of them former british government employees operation warm. Welcome presently ten thousand. Afghan refugees are in quarantine hotels as part of a ministers described this morning as the largest evacuation scheme in living memory on today's program. You're going to hear how to help if you want to. If you feel you can what to do crucially what not to do. But also as the government announces additional funds to help people settle and build a new life again to get to grips with some of the challenges. What does a warm welcome look like from where you're listening. Eight four eight four four is the number you need to tax or get in touch with me on social media over at bbc. Woman's are or you can email me with your views and experiences through our website in terms of the images we've seen in. This country is seen a lot of people photos predominantly it seems to be featuring groups of women sorting clothes donated supplies in baby banks as donations flood into halls charities community spaces you know homes to help to live and give people space and shelter is one way help with english settling into schools. Helping people sign up with doctors. These are the some of the ways that people are asking about if they can help and have done in the past with others. Perhaps your family have helped refugees before or refugees but beyond the public efforts what is needed from the government to make this work very much detail your view on that. We know only one. In three councils in england have signed up at the moment to take afghan refugees. Is that really where you want to see the action. I should say this point. It's not a debate about whether this should be happening or not. It is happening. Of course you can share your views on that but these people are here they are here right now and as i say if you think about that. Ten thousand refugees right now in this country are in quarantine hotels the largest evacuation scheme in living memory. Apparently it's a warm welcome operation. Warm welcome is the name given by the government but will it be that. Do let me know your take on this eight. Four eight four four will be hearing from somebody who's on the ground actually from afghan- afghanistan came here as a very young ago. Who's now working as a counselor to talk about some of those challenges. Also be hearing from someone who's been at. The airports birmingham airport meeting people as they arrive. Who can give some experience there and some some help really about what help is or isn't needed. But what is it looking like a warm welcome from where you sit at bbc. Women's are on social media or malice via the website. Also on today's program from working as an nhs administrators are becoming the first female referee to officiate a men's english football league match. I'll be talking to rebecca out. And as two women recreate the marched. become what became. I should say greenham. Common women's peace camp forty years on from one of the longest and most famous examples of feminist protests. What did we learn will be catching up with them and others on their walk to consider that and also perhaps any lessons still relevant today. That other protesters are using at the moment but for the last three weeks there on women's are we've been following the desperate efforts that those trying to flee afghanistan we've heard spoken to women who fear for their lives under taliban rule and have covered the stories of how many tried to leave their homes for good to start new lives. In other countries. Voters have been talking to some of the people have been trying to help them. Throughout all of this you have been writing in in your droves asking what you can do. Donations offering room sending money. And that's what we're going to address today this morning. The government has set out more details of operation warm welcome the scheme to resettle thousands of afghan refugees all of those who've arrived on the afghan relocations and assistance policy. The scheme are helping. Those who helps schemes gives me helping those who helped the british military in uk. Government in afghanistan will be given immediate indefinite leave to remain the government's pledging twelve million pounds for additional school places. Three million pounds to support. Nhs access and a five million. Pound top fa- councils in england wells and scotland to support the and meet the costs and help meet the cost of renting properties. Here's mr for overseeing. Afghan resettlement victoria atkin speaking earlier on the today program. We ten thousand people who are in quarantine hotels that moment This is the largest ever evacuation scheme in living memory and so it is going to take off and local of an charges local communities a bit of time to put this framework in place. But that is what we're working on and so today's announcements not just indefinitely to remain but also our determination help children Start their education again. The extra funding for them to support them a school the funding for adults to learn english. Those who don't speak english well also The promises in relation to housing the discretionary funding. We're giving to councils. This is all part of enormous Exercise in integration. And just remember that the of the twenty thousand who will come here over. The coming years will be women and children. So what does happen next for those who've recently arrived in the uk. Louise calvi have of services and safeguarding for the charity. Refugee action joins us. She was at birmingham airport until the last flight landed on sunday. Louise first of all. How was that I'm not sure. I can put it into words. To be honest. It was after this word for a long time. And i have never worked with People that have fled such trauma. They were incredibly disorientated. Confused worried worried about the people that have behind worried about what was gonna happen to them in the uk they. It was devastating. The last flight was devastating. And we were there. Twenty four hours a day last week on we would have been there forever. It meant more. People came coming through my team with looking for more people to come off more plant. That's our bargain concern. Is the people that they left behind the nuts. What people really want to talk about for many stepping into that arrivals who was the first time in that they had felt say and so for some. They wanted to talk about their experiences. They wanted to talk about the people that they left behind the choices that they had to make choices to take their immediate family of league and leave other family members in that situation. I don't think that's something that will ever to stand if we're born in the uk But my team were supporting immediate distress last week and in terms of when they get off the plane these people do you a meeting of course planes coming into other airports in the uk what actually happens therein them. What what is that process and the logistically the officer there to purchase people understand. Who is that possible. Generate immediate leases. Everything govern have biometrics taken by force forcing then moved on to quarantine accommodation through through the coaches But that takes a long time and there was a lot of flight sliding So there was a real cloak in the who when people were waiting quite considerable time in the ad so My team was to provide immediate assistance. with partners making sure people had food water that they were comfortable but critically make sure that people had a medical attention. I met one woman who had a a not. She was sleeping in the chair. Try and sleep. And i looked closely at her and she had a newborn baby thunder her arm and i thought to turn it ten out. She giving birth blackwell. Had baby was four days ago. I i can't imagine what that woman has been terrific so making sure she immediately got the attention of the gp onsite who tried to make comfortable. She get some sleet. That's what we still people having to immediately. Evacuate their life take whatever they took him presumably not have very much with them. Absolutely the final flight particularly different flight she could notice different sort of themes with that flight. Different experiences that they might have been through the final flight particularly. I noticed that people were coming through with meagre possessions wrapped in scarves in touch carrier bags to quite quickly. Try to gather all of the bags we had and they were simply box. Floyd supermarket bags for lives to give pusa Said they'd have something to put that that their valued possessions in just walking around the airport terminal with a backflip box for life and people just being so happy that they had something to put that that possessions in. It was truly devastating. See humans in a position. You've been doing as you say this. What for some time. What was particularly different about this. Do you think it's the fact that people knew that they were safe but that their loved ones one i have never seen such an extreme of emotion the relief unhappiness that they felt for themselves in their family and the the devastation that felt for the people that they loved because they knew that the buddhists were closing. They know that the was finishing and the reality. Is that the people in afghanistan there on solutions for them and then on quays out The most we can hope is that. There's buddhist reopen over relaxing. That people can can make the land borders and then they're gonna join a very very long queue for resettlement pakistan already has a significant refugee community. Because of what you're saying there is quite a unique set of circumstances where there was there was a deadline off. How you could move when you could move and if you could get onto those flights we're getting quite a lot of messages here as we have done for the last three weeks about what people can do. What is it now from your point of view. I mentioned there the thousands and hotels at the moment and obviously a very unique situation again. Because of the pandemic people being offered vaccinations also upon arrival here in the uk. What do you say to people they say. How can i help. I think firstly. I we say in your community in your lives in your home's fessing my sleepy kind We work with a lot of refugees in projection every settlement the uk. And the the thing that they need the mushed. His friendship Need to build. Integrated welcoming cohesive communities. And that's something that everyone can team in their lives. It doesn't cost money and it doesn't take a lot of time. Be kind. Be kind to your new neighbours. Help people The the second thing people can do is understand what people have left behind enough ghanistan. And frankly damone better. All a new Buddhist bill being promoted will will slum nador in the people's faces the left in afghanistan. We can do better as a country and we need to embrace the fact the ongoing conflict is in inevitability glue opening we. You've mentioned that we have people backed up in hotels. We do understand the reasons for that. She speed if the response which of course we deplore but the bottom line is. This government stopped refugee resettlement two years ago and has failed to make a pledge refugee resettlement. The reason we've got this massive housing pinch point is because we think dismantled the structures an infrastructure around refugee resettlement we had a pipeline of five thousand a year switched. Oh if that wasn't switched off that would have been five thousand spaces housing accommodation for five thousand in that pipeline. What we're doing at the moment is sucking very quickly to rebuild. The infrastructure made a permanent infrastructure around resettlement and we need an asylum system acknowledges our role in that little conflict. And i would say to. Everyone listening pleasing. Grace stop old if the twala titians. All of the influences use whatever platform. You have to challenge the borders bill and look for a position that acknowledges are alone in in creating welcome to people. We did invite victoria atkins on the minister. Four overseeing afghan resettlement but we did have the home secretary on pretty patel about ten days or so. Who talked about the fact that you've got to be able to cater for what for what you can give and therefore give a decent life to people. The money has been announced today. I'll be speaking to a counselor in just a moment. We're having many messages. Come in about people who've been collecting and donations. Julie for instance also says i host destitute single asylum seekers in south london through a number of charities and other one hair saying the bucks federation of the women's institutes mobilize on saturday. We've happily accumulated and delivered hundreds of pounds worth of clothing toys and deliveries which is continuing today a warm welcome from thelma whose message in. But we've got another message here. Saying and i just wanted to get your view on this louise. We are a very caring nation. But we're very overpopulated. Where all of these refugees live. You must also hit us in your line of work. I wanted to give you the opportunity to respond. Thank you yes as i said. For the last five syrian crisis we've been resettling five thousand refugees year that has been A massive challenge for arsenal secure housing finance schools places to find that. Gp place is. We can't do that and we can do more. There is no reason that we con- refugee resettlement is very small numbers in uk when you look a population size and density when you look at the global figures. There's around twenty thirty a backlog. Refugee resettlement in the world at the afghan situation will add considerably to that waiting time. You can't have it both ways. You can't say we're not gonna take fair share of refugees through assessment and we're not going to allow people into the country claim and those cheap things on each new exclusive on one generates the the The current government policy wants to deny both routes. The reality is it's not what the government would say they would say the moment the bending over backwards to extend a warm ochre as a response to the situation in afghanistan. Well that's what i mean onto some. There's a bigger pitch is sorry but there that is the particular scenario. Were talking about right now and even to if you just talk about that scenario which this messages come in off. The back of people are concerned. And it's important one to to raise even if it doesn't feel kind or welcoming to raise it but people will be thinking that especially after the pandemic i about costs and on budget and finance. I understand that as i said before we were delivering five thousand without the situation afghanistan routinely year-on-year and. I think that most people would say that that was not creating more additional birds into the infrastructure a local level in fact. Many people didn't even remember doing well. Also gain a compensation but the work council leaders. There were local politicians such as andy. Burnham the mayor of great much to say You know we can do it but we have to spread it equally. We have to spread it evenly. This is about which council sign up. We know only one in three about at the moment have put themselves forward to take afghan refugees. Let's come to that. If i can with my counselor just i did also say that you may give us some advice which sounds counter intrusive on what not to do louise what what's not helpful. At the moment. He think i. I think as i said the the the most important thing is to remember the the people that joining our communities neighbors adjoining horrific position. And they're coming because they won't safety. In the first instance they want to rebuild their lives and contribute in the uk every single refugee. The i've worked with. I've met last week and mobile really wants to work. They want contribute. They won't pay taxes. They want to rebuild their family's feature in this country So we think we need to be mindful of that and not have a narrative that actually underpins refugees taking from this country but refugees we building this country with a contributing positively. So that that's the thing not to do in terms of how it's framed and the narrative and to remember you've had some of those conversations with those people and that's apart from of course all the trauma and the thought that you showed us at the beginning about he's left behind that's what they want to be able to do to contribute. Is there anything on a on a much more practical level. Would you say that people just need to check out in their area. Those who are collecting about what they actually need. And what they don't need so you don't end up with things that are in large supply versus short supply. You must have seen that yet. Absolutely a on on the donations mobutu The program announced the funding. The officer releasing a full of refugees that reset so at the moment which is very welcome. The people in this country the afghan people in this country at the moment people of different nationalities that have very little going through the assignment system asylum. Who is is is just over five pounds a day so i would say to people that collecting donations Please consider working with your local asylum. Support charity look destitution provisions To release those provisions to then where they will be an absolute lifesaver Resettlement is just one root for people that need sanctuary in uk asylum is the other the it's the people in some system that was hugely concerned about intensive that that decision in the uk. Lewis covey. thank you for your time had of services and safeguarding for the charity. Refugee action who was at birmingham airport until about last flight landed on sunday. Let's talk then to pay monir. Assad who's a labor councillor harrow responsible for the afghan resettlement program in the bar issues recent evacuated from afghanistan herself on an ara flight because she has family there and after a period of quarantine return to her job yesterday. Helping to start to sort out housing for the arrivals good morning morning. I just wanted to ask because you came to this country. We we three when you first came here. Yeah three is all very young c. You probably can't quite remember the welcome per se but how was it a warm welcome for your family who were again escaping very difficult time. Yes i think. My parents had a completely different experience to most refugees that come to the country. Now we'll have done the last years. My mom arrived with just the clothes on her on her at london. Heathrow and she spent the night outside. The app wore waiting for immigration Officials to understand what to do with as she was pregnant she had three kids by on the under the age of five But yeah My parents were very happy with the treatment that they got When they best arrived in actually one of the reasons why they love john major because he was prime minister and And reliable counselor so much. It's interesting conversation around the dinner table. It's a very interesting conversation for a long time. My parents conception so they were kind of surprised when i strangle infighting. That's a whole other discussion. That perhaps what we'll have another time but your now trying to grapple with welcoming a whole new generation of people and the money has been announced this morning still details. I'm sure to be worked out. But what the housing start looking In your area or some of the questions i understand. You had a meeting nas about this. Yeah thought amazing. Where my team yesterday at the council in regards to what kind of housing we can use the red very reluctant to use Social housing to house these refugees because we've got thousands of people and all social housing registered. So it's going to be very very difficult for us to to take that away from from our own constituents so what we're looking at as you different fund on a different way of finding private landlords housing cessations who'd be willing to give us housing onto the local housing allowance which is the housing benefit. Right the thing that we're gonna find difficult. Is that most of these families coming to a have unit family units of more than five or six people in the house in bedrooms that we're going to look for a fortified bedrooms and that's going to be very very difficult especially in london. So i agree with ben when he says that that we need to spread out this with wants ability across different councils across the uk and people need to think about not just staying in london but maybe moving outside to different areas. Of course the k g g say the government. I i recognize the this as as a labour councillor. But it's sort of at some points it very bad. Politics goes to one side party politics when you're trying to house and resettle people and individuals and help them rebuild their lives. Do you think it should be compulsory for councils to sign up to this really difficult for me to say that because i started having this conversation with my team at the council before i went kenniston back in may i started having this conversation about taking afghan refugees. We knew scheme was coming. We knew the that refugees would be coming here. We just didn't realize that the pace on the rate and so. I can't really speak and say that it should be compulsory because every council isn't a completely different situation with funding and the budget on especially the housing stock. It's going to be very different case by case the different council so i think it's a decision for counselees to make an for cabinet members in the embarrassed. What what are you telling your constituents if they want to help at the moment to do based on obviously what you can see in your position at the at the council and also your experience coming here to welcome just to talk it up. Yeah we've got to donations to up in her so you know continuing to donate a making sure that refugees have the things that they need. I'm the second and most important thing is landlords Out a cool on twitter saying any landlords who are willing and able to give up that properties for us under the local housing allowance rate under the housing benefit rate. A willing to house refugees come forward because that's basically what we need. Help it so. We need landlords to step up at this moment in time. An worked with local councils to do that. But constituents Refugee action has outlined all of the steps. But i think the biggest thing right now is to make sure understand that a lot of these refugees coming overhead the not the not poor and destitute individuals some of these professionals women's rights activists we've got people who've worked in the afghan government. We've got national defense security forces individuals you know. Yesterday i was talking to an afghan diplomat. He used to save hereon in london for that. But i've got to stand and he was looking for. He was worried about housing and and to be in that situation as a professional as someone who had a salary job a life in a different country into come here. I think that's the biggest understanding the i'd like for constituents wherever they are to understand that these people want to stand on their own two feet and live an independent life and contribute to purchase society. And maybe one day return anti kenniston pay on assad a labour councillor in harry. Thank you Commenting further on operation. Warm welcome the prime minister. Boris johnson said we owe an immense stat to those who worked with the armed forces in afghanistan. And i am determined that we give them in their families to support. They need to rebuild their lives here in the uk. I know this will be an incredibly daunting time. But i hope that we'll take heart from the wave of support and generosity or the expressed by the british public. Well last night and talking about landing and coming in. I'll be in very different circumstances but somebody again changing country against their world but as as a very different circumstances we're told a threat to russian national security came back to uk short. She is sarah raynsford. Bbc moscow correspondent. And someone who's been living in in an reporting on russia for over two decades on the tenth of august over a month ago. She was told that she was being barred indefinitely for the protection of the security of russia and allowed into the country for the sole purpose of packing up her life and leaving but why her watch chance if any does she have now of returning. Salvadorian suit joins me now. Good morning good morning. Is this your. This is your first morning back. Yes it is. Yeah strange warning. I was going to say what's that feeling. The word back all because i haven't lived in russia and sorry in in the uk for twenty years. Basically i left. my first. Foreign assignment was to moscow in august. Two thousand and since then i've worked in russia and in other countries and but always going back to russia for two decades so coming to the uk even though foreign ministry. We're telling me they were sending me home. It doesn't really feel like coming home offices familiar. It's not it's not my home and you know. Russia was my home for very long time so it feels like i'm kind of more in exile than oh really yes and i'm sure well i've read that you would like to go back. Yes but i've been told very clearly by none other than the fsba security service that they don't want to see me back. I was. I was handed a piece of paper eventually. The border in moscow showing me to airport on august tenth untold the sign and it said that i was a threat to national security so it was obviously a shocking shocking moment. And i've kind of been expecting something. I've been given signals the for them that my situation in moscow is a little bit precarious. I've been put on short-term visas. I'd always had annual visas to make reputation. Visa always renewed up until about a year ago and they started putting them on three month freezers and two month fees and i was getting signals that you know that things were were not necessarily as they should be. But i didn't ever expect what happens when i tried to reenter moscow from bellarusse earlier. This last month now Certainly never expect to be labeled as a journalist as a threat to national security and the russian government keeps dismissing that part of the key ignoring that part it they keep saying it's just my visa not being renewed when it when it came to an end at the end of august. But it's not that it's something much deeper much more sinister frankly. I'm quite scary. Do you have any understanding what you need to put you in that position. The official reason is that this is purely. Tit for tat. The russian government. I got called into the ministry when i was eventually allowed back into the country that took twelve hours. First and foremost it took twelve hours of negotiations to stop them. Deporting me so. I sort of hung on in in the airport in moscow. I didn't get on a plane as were a lot of frantic phone calls being made to say this is wrong condemning essence. Saying you shouldn't be sarah out so after after all those those calls on my behalf eventually was allowed into moscow. But i was called into the foreign ministry the next day and i was told that my whole chapter of my life with russia was over that they wouldn't be renewing. My visa and i was being kicked out and they kept saying this tit for tat that russian journalists had been denied leave to remain in the uk and i was simply an equivalent so that the problem is that that journalists case that they cited that was two years ago and there was never any frustrating time. Never any jumping and screaming shouting about it and it's been quite clear that ever. Since my case became public the russian authorities have been very reluctant to name this russian journalist. So if it's tit for tat you know who who is this all about and why we never heard about it until now so it feels. It feels much more personal than that. It feels much more worrying. I think than that. This isn't the bureaucratic move at something. I think much deeper. We should probably point out. You're not the only bbc correspondent in russia. There's also your colleague. Steve rosenberg. Who is still there understand. Do you think being a woman has any bearing on it. I always say i'm not. I'm not a woman. I'm a journalist. You often get referred to in interviews and things kind of agenda becomes an issue and you sort of. Say this instance. I'm i've got a microphone correspondent but maybe the certainly a practical element to it. Some not necessarily you know just talking. Specifically about steve. Of course but actually this is a political move as well they know this is happening in the context of really serious deterioration relations to russia and the uk and when looking for a uk journalist target first and foremost obviously the bbc is the most prominent british news organization operating in russia. But also you know it's a fact of life that most british journalists are operating in russia excellent journalists really probing challenging challenging brilliant journalists and a huge amounts about russia. They also happen all of them. Pretty much be male and almost all of them to be married to russian so perhaps you know there is a practical practical element which is kicking me out is easier. I married to an englishman. I don't have that family tie to russia. So maybe the thought it'd be easier but certainly when i face the foreign ministry Last month i don't think they quite realize the depth of my own entanglement with russia the fact that they had such a deep personal relationship to the country going back many many years though it did take the opportunity to to explain to them. The the one thing. I kept trying to say is i'm not your enemy. You've labeled hostile labor be anti-russian. I'm not this is the country. I can't deeply about expensive huge amounts of time and effort trying to understand it to learn to understand and to try to explain russia to the world. I just kept saying you know. Kicking me out is a mistake. Because you're losing your link to the outside world. And i and i'd like to think that i tried to objective about russia and tried to tell that story but obviously i think you know. Give them what's happening. Obviously i think i must have touched a nerve somewhere with somebody because many russians who've responded to what happens we have told me that they believe this is because of what i do and what all journalists do in russia which is trying to tell the truth is at the time as barbara email asking. Why you not. Steve steve rosenberg. I wonder that just came in from a listener. Who who wanted to know if there was anything there because of of you being a woman and and the show images of putin and the machos to the status of the way it does politics. Russia's is very much country but it's also a country of extremely powerful fierce brave women russian women. I'm talking about so. I mean yes. Most powerful leaders in russia a man of course putin is quite clearly a very macho man and they have perhaps a slightly condescending attitude towards women but at the same time as i say it is a country of extremely extremely brave courageous women and you know not not just journalists but also human rights campaigners political activists a lot of them in extremely dire straits now many of them being forced to leave the country but many of them still there and still you know still standing up what they believe in and i think one of the most touching things to me in the last few days been packing up my life and cussing my ties. Hopefully only temporary with russia has been a lot of the people that i've reported on who has become quite close to over the years have been have been empathizing with me in saying how sorry they feel about what's happened with me but then i look at them and i say this is your country and you'll still here still trying to stand up for what you believe in data brave ones. They're the they're the really important people in all of this. Well that's i mean ended the day journalist. You tell the stories. That's what you've been focusing on regardless of what's been put towards your or you've been labelled as by others. What are you gonna do now. Sarah i i think it's only just starting to hit what's what's happened zone just it now so i think there's a lot of I think i need a bit of time to to figure out what's happened and what it means. But i mean. I still moscow correspondent. I am at least formally still very closely tied to russia. Yeah no it's a big big question. Going forward because russia is the setting that it was part of my life but it was also my meaning. I mean it was my. It was my whole being i i i kind of feel a lot into russia over the is kind of a losing that is quite a big hole of course and it must be incredibly obsessing. Yeah it is an. And even now i mean i cried of the beginning after admit Mainly i think that the shock of it and and just just the fact that it's happening but yeah now it's anger is one of frustration. Because i think this is about sending a signal to all journalists in russia. Not just the foreign media that you know. you're not protected. That free speech is is under threat and russia and that all of us who thought we were and do think we're doing the right thing by challenging. People with our microphones that that you know. We're we're we are being watched them. That's all the russian journalists who the brave independent free russians who are still working in russia that lives to becoming more difficult by the day. And you know. I think it is a very worrying signal line and a lot of of foreign journalists very word in russia now that perhaps some kind of red line has been crossed. I'm happy and that makes sense that we could hear your voice. Speak freely this morning and it's very important to do so our bbc moscow correspondent sara raynsford inexa. She puts it not able to be in russia the country. She's called home for the last twenty years. I'm sure we'll speak again. When pops she's she's talked a bit more about what she's going to do next a message. Come in from e. saying where it as a badge of honor mr raynsford with the hashtag woman's hour well forty years ago this week. Thirty six people from a campaign group called women for life on earth march from cardiff to the greenham common. Raf base in newbury berkshire to protest against the british government allowing us nuclear missiles on british soil realizing that marching was not enough many state at greenham to continue their protests and we're joined by thousands of women all over the world to form the greenham common women's peace camp. They stayed after almost twenty years. In what would become one of the longest and most famous examples of feminist protest in recent history. Well last week. Another group set out from cardiff to commemorate and follow the route of the original protesters. Rebecca morton is one of them. She was taken to green and by her mother. Aged five and is the co author of the book out of the darkness green and voices eighty one to two thousand a book that shares the recollections of many of the women who lived at greenham common peace camp including sue say and they join me live now from that. Walk to remember. Hello rebecca let me come to you. I good morning moaning wherever you up to on the wall. Wow we are optimistically telling each other reminding each other we all over halfway through. There's been there's been some long days Where just sitting on the green in devices right now. We've pulled away from the march to to join you right sized about set and we'll catch up with him on little blue dot as they walk all the way today to mowbray You can follow us on the on our website. That's how we find the by finding that that that that lasts. I feel bad. We've pulled you away but you'll catch up. I'm sure lots of miles while we talk so i'd have to do that. Come on come on. You're hoping to get there by friday. I believe yeah. We're on coast to get that friday. I it seems remarkable but yes we we we. We will be friday afternoon. An how many of you on this walk it every day. So there's a core team about twenty people who are doing the whole thing And from all different backgrounds ages. So it's a really lovely mix and some original Green and women with us as well as the united states. minute but there's also people come every day sometimes we just have maybe a few people who come and walk sections with us and then some is we have another fifty people who turn up and walk the whole the whole of the day all site. I'm going to do next three days with your days and we've got a lot of people who obviously want to walk along green and women as well. He want to walk hungerford to him and mindy the whole lost ice. That's going to be a big party. I think but the the climate affair to go back to nineteen eighty one to actually remind people. Maybe don't know anything at all about this or have forgotten. What's important to you. Try and paint the image. There was such fear for some. Wasn't there about nuclear when this began. Absolutely i think i think for all i think it was incredibly visceral. Fear they is not dissimilar actually was one of the reasons why this prescient protest to to remember remembered on an rekindle. If you like it's not dissimilar to the fear that the very rightly have now if climate change that we should all have. It's not dissimilar to the fears that many b-share about male violence locally nationally globally. These are the kind of undo we've just committed as it government. In britain to spend forty percent more of our on nuclear weapons is that evolved our nhs coming off of your communities. So there's there's an awful lot green and women were addressing a in that high of the cold war. The actually is really really really important for us to to be inspired by day. Women inspire women. That's kind of why we're all here. Let's bring in sioux. Say good morning. Good morning you one of the original women from greenham you eighteen. I believe when you went. What motivated you. I was i was eighteen when i went. I would not want it. The original walkers I joined mostly. I think because my both my parents belong to send day and i've been a sort of active part of that. My dad was a conscientious objector. And actually my mom was read in the war And beyond. I'm an so. I had quite a balanced view of you know to to have an me to protect people to support the un and to go in for crisis situations. Yes i see fully with that. But the idea of pushing a button miles away and murdering generations of people just was completely unacceptable to me not was. That was my motivation. However when a goal. I realized that i was a lot more naive than i thought i was. I thought that was a very sauce. And i knew it and i got an i suddenly realized with you know arriving at yellow gains and talking to the women there i realized i knew absolutely nothing so it was. It was really It was the start of my education as to the place that women hop in the world and learning the actually i could say no. And we're not gonna do they some. We're not gonna have violence. We are going to look after each other. And we're going to look after our planet and i think that was the stocks of my education. Hold that thought for a moment. See we're going to hear a clip of some of the women explaining their reasons for staying at greenham. This is in april nineteen eighty three. I was looking to hear about the camp almost when it first started. And i just came down really to see what was going on became emotionally involved in the women's peace. Come to me. Was that look death in the eyes and find some hope and strength to be able to fight what seems to be the ultimate threat to our destiny. Well let's change gonna see. Oh miserable day. But there's no real teams when i say i don't want to stay here any more in rolette because over. Its mess boys. You can see you sent here and we're talking about laughing and let you just create your own energy. I mean sometimes it's hard to get up to begin the daily toil again's cruise. But it's guy i really enjoy being here. Part of the reason for being here is to show. The people can do things for themselves ordinary people we started to call ourselves. Common women now not green and women which puts over the idea of being very ordinary ordinary people can do something about it and we making the government. think again. we'll come to that in a moment life there. Apart from the education you got a lot of that sitting around the fire talking to women from all sorts of backgrounds. But it was pretty hard as well you know. No running water freezing cold winces. You did have to sort of stick it out. So i absolutely however as you will probably discover when you have a group of women you become very creative We we made our own showers. We designed our own showers. We supported each other. We helped each other to kind of find different ways of approaching things working together. It's incredible how how actually you can. You can make things work very well. We had sort of groups of women who sort of focused on what they were. Best start some women would really good organizing the processes of come and so they set up sort of food tents and showers in such a facilities. Other women just like digging holes so they went and dug Shit pits forest and other women went and the fence and other women went. Everybody found well-suited them and they did that and together we fall to hold protests as a whole load of individual women doing it their own way just politics anyone's in london description of blues and in terms of that one. No no no. It's fine it's what. It was in many ways. But i just wanted to get back to rebecca as well though because i said you were far if when you went what. What are your early memories of going with your mom I have we say my mom would take faded supplies. Things like nightwatch with local women sits and god the tense women living that really sleep is the format cruise. Watch say that the army could always making missiles amounting slashes. Call the telephone trees. Which are the dinosaur version of social media and things So she was very active. And so i went to go there and just several different sentences i would go that either on a client diet take feta supplies and hang out and then it was brilliant like he just this grownups that to me i was. I could ask them anything. you can. Just go around and talk. I'm sure i was real pain. Actually i never got fresh. They seem lovely women who could ask any question the world. Just sit and talk to you about in you know it was really a i just love education of and the and the openness and then of course i can remember the really really really busy times i was actually embraced the base and i can remember you know the sound of thirty thousand women singing the same songs and holds an old holding hands and taking the moment that they knew that they encircled the base. And this is powerful feeling going round chia on me just looking up at my mom and the woman on the side of them smiling down interesting king. Oh my god. This is all women. And i'm going to be a woman one day. This is so cool. Well the you mentioned singing. Let let's hear and excerpts from some of the singing on a i can see on the call you're smiling quite quite broadly. Though that i singing was all parts of it. It was what kept us. All going. women made up songs. We pick to choose and everybody would just have a guy and we'd just add lines and things it helps to lift your spirits when you are working together on anything and i think that was something that fills us with. You know enthusiasm because you. It does get a bit flat when i first went there. We had actual structures behind. Ben does that we live. Did we lifted an ambulance. That was easy times. But then they made illegal to have structures on the common illegal to have fires on the common and it just got harder and harder because we aren't sort of adapts with on how to live without those luxury themselves they turned out to be mean. I was going to say because you know. In one sense. You're talking with smiles and warm memories and wanting to help. And every becker feel strongly about this as well. How people remember this huge women's movement from around the world but the reception to you was mixed to say the least to put it politely. I mean let's let's get to that. I mean i'm even a message here. That's just came soap. Dodging hippies zero understanding of global politics at rebecca. What would you make of that. Because that's one of the ones. I can probably read aloud. Yeah there's a strong feeling and there always is around social justice. Change obviously messages on. Why i've just been part of making a another for radio four actually an archive al green in facts in which Michael hesseltine ultimat- echoed similar statements. But fact she called the green and women accenture. because well didn't she in the end the tabloids certainly put it in other ways. Yeah it is and it's really interesting. Because obviously i i think it is. I think it's naive Women in some living somewhere touring thousands of women around the country getting discussions about feminism and nuclear proliferation. Close to dinner tables of every house in the country causing hundreds of thousands of pounds damaged by the american english governments You know across nearly nearly twenty as it would be. It would be naive to say that was not a massive thorn in the side of the establishment and they didn't change the relationship between men and women and it didn't create a dialogue nationally and internationally around Wh- what we should do with Should loss military's clearly. You can't send it. Would just one group has responsibility changes. But you can you would be. It would be foolish to save a massive campaign. Such like the largest. Let's campaigns suffrage didn't have a huge impact on that will say that the you mentioned the tabloids i think is really interesting that The tabloids particular incredibly virulent about lesbianism and things like that particularly particularly by on not but it goes up to that point. That wasn't even a public discussion around the fact that there were lesbians even now. That's the genie can back in the bottle. One of the ripple effects of greenham is that you know we all much more open about the fact that women have same sex relationships as well. You might not the time but civilly was something that one of the women sets me. I saw lesbian on the tally on tent. And i saw it in the papers. I thought oh my god. I'm not the only one that that's my people that brought together for lofty wise to open bet. That primary relationship didn't have to come from that which is an tonight's toco i. I was reading so just a final thought from you. If i can't always reading from one of the women who who green say there's a debate about how effective it was in terms of its initial mission around nuclear and people do debate that that's a whole other discussion pops or a different time. But it's exactly what. Rebecca was just starting to say that there were bigger things to come from it around what women perhaps learned and some of the discussions around feminism. Do you think that's what if you know nothing about it. Do you think coming new to it. That's what you could take from it to are. You would have to be because you look at the whole science. The wet the role that women had back then. My mom's vowed to to obey my father. That was the way it walls that and then suddenly you've got us looking at prison the way that the prison service work because we as green women were were committing crimes and being convicted we coming into prison and we were saying the way that women were mistreated imprison and the the fact that women were imprisoned for minus sacks of small amounts of money is was not in incarcerating dangerous people away from society. Which is something. I believed it all so i think we have to look at the role that women played in society as a whole a lots of people are getting in touch with what it did for them as well in those different feelings that elicited some of them very positive some of them not so. But that is exactly what you remember. I'm sure as you will be marching and walking. Good luck forgetting there on friday. Thank you for taking time out of that. Walk rebecca morton and sioux. Say now just to tell you about something that i mentioned right at the beginning of the program because we always want to market when there's a first for women female football referees still arrest site even rarer sites when it comes to officiating the men's game early this year. Rebecca welsh became the first female referee to be added to the english. Football league's national group list for men's football and became the first woman to officiate an efl matinee poem when she took charge of higher gets to league to defeat to port vale. But apparently rebecca. This was never your grand plan. First of all congratulations and good morning. This wasn't the plan which people are shocked to hear about both. Yeah it was in never did i. Week one morning. i wanted to be a referee. I'm not really sure. Everybody does year one day when i was twenty seven and then recess history. The you were until recently working as an administrator. Yes that's correct until cheerios go. The nhs radioed flexibility wise. Who know propose creek demanded as referee sel especially during domestic on the national their degrees. Going to the point where sending give in order me progress and literally when i retire in in things up for everything in football. We are gone. You often hear that. With with women and sport that they do something on the on the side of it because the go to make pay as well. They're doing and they're still trying to make the name for women in often. Men's worlds which we'll get to in just a moment. Is it right. You only picked up a whistle after joking to friend that it looked easy. Yeah that's correct arrest Decision which really changed me life. She said we're going to have a gorgeous. I easy and i went and went to the coast. And is it. That easy lee. National stephen dolar. Here's what is it like when you you're on the you're on the pitch with met. It's a grid that the lots to referee from star twenty seven and grassroots. Right the wheel now instead. The found the laptop seat from plastic. And i see this amid behind it because the female meal danica sport. It's really difficult for me. And after never found out in almost eleven years fishy and found out the lots of the disagree. Because refereeing is. That's where it starts. And is there a difference between how male players disagree or agree or try and you know have a word with you then female players yet kind of and i think it's just because you being female myself on what i'm right when decisions are being made whether to work or not life. I all the watch. The ways the wise not decision on sexist sore in for policy women raiding one. Another the logic behind that decision. And where's the man alaskan get manservant and carry on the game. So i'm not sure that's to do with men. Football's move reports. I think access to men and women just in general. That's fascinating women sort of stand there and say well. Why why do they want. The whole debrief don't stand there and see it and the the kind of want to know that the one of the law and the rationale behind and that's one of one of our jobs is to make decisions obviously clears why by do you find that the funds i mean. How many times have you done this now. With the madness guy was twice. Refunds twice refunds. Yeah because it's been a funny all time. How has it been with fans because obviously the refs not that popular a lot of the time anyway. Yes i've compared with. Funds cannot noisy out. Favor seems pleased we was without adrenaline. You will out to to noyce or yeah definitely prefer it. Because last season your plan watches in silence. And that's not. How much should be do you. Do you feel that. This is the beginning. Then for are seeing women officiate. Man's much as the norm are we. How close are we to that. Becoming more of the norm. I mean are there. Many women coming up behind jay. Yeah we've got a lot of really good Yoga gills criminal and in the men's gave who officiate week in week out now to me. I would see it is all because i'm involved in this industry. I say every week but i think you'll yet. There was a victorian played at me to hurricane opal one to three years time. It will just be the norm on. Nobody will even mentioned. We'll say we'll see if we get that. I know sean see alice. The first woman to become a professional match officials. It was a big inspiration for you. In what i didn't know sean before got obviously everybody knew. She was and the shawn's because of my team on the women's game so great to be involved with gregg invokes all against raiding a lot of a lot of the girls who operate the top level half children and take me off to them because what does make an obstacle after myself on games. Lot because like sean. Notley alan lisa have children and they have to organize. The kids lives around around the world in and being aware into them to believable will come as you say coming up behind very strict in real life as well. Let's just say that first person that you were you made that bet with After that joke with that they must be looking at you now in an interesting way always. I always mention it. Because they don't think koby also offer. A grid of the friendship still continues. I'll just thought wanted narrative lovely. So it's rebecca thanks for joining us and again rebecca welch many messages about greenham coming in joel says the green and women's camp change a lot of attitudes about a lot of things and pave the way for all sorts of stuff that has helped empower us and another one. Here i was on so many of the green and marches in the eighteen. Amazing memories of the women who've able to live there all those years and a couple of the message masters about hippies to not so complimentary ways but that is it. 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"This is the bbc. This podcast is supported by advertising outside the uk. Hello and welcome to the weekend woman. Zoa in a moment. We'll hear from friendly bits. The american writer social commentator humorous actress and new york legend will also discuss what it's like as a parent to be told. Your child has learning difficulties when they said it to me. Even though it had concerns is still felt like a paunch and my response was to kind of expired and say no. He's fine. it's locked down. He's not seen any of the children for nine months wonderfully they said well you can gather evidence and we'll have chats about than i did. Stop steven differences. We'll delve into the mysterious and magical ways of the mirror and why some mirrors are more flattering than others. And we'll hear about the motivation for a group of women who forty years ago this week march from cardiff to the greenham common. Rf base in newbury to protest against the british government allowing us nuclear missiles on british soil. I think it was incredibly visceral fear. It's not dissimilar to the fear that the very rightly have now if climate change that we should all have. It's not dissimilar to the fears that many show about male violence locally nationally globally. And we've just committed as a government. In britain suspenseful two percent more On on nuclear weapons is that if all h ask on kiro communities sepoys yourself a cup of what you found say i'm buckle up but first described by the washington post as the funniest woman. In america friendly bits is an american writer. Social commentator humorist and new york legend. You may have seen her. Emmy award-winning nominated netflix. Series pretend city. Which was fran talking to her friend and film director. Martin scorsese about life in new york where she's lived over fifty years. It became cult. Viewing during lockdown as people craved city. Life friend who is jewish enga- shazar opinions on everything from gender technology politics. Parenting and more if you're not familiar with her caustic wits shelby on tour in the u k. Next year and a new book the fron liebowitz reader has just been released. Sometimes women say they feel invisible when they get older but the opposite seems to be the case in terms of seventeen year old friend. Emma spoke to her earlier this week from home. I think more of a concern of straight women that has ever been a concern of mine bud. I know it's true because everyone says it and that doesn't usually make things trump but i know true This is probably also true old men but no one cares anymore including me let some people have since may not just in a sexual way on the visibility can be liberating. It can be a superpower because you can walk around the note denouncing. What when i was young newark was still is but they were different kinds of guys full construction workers. I hate it when i was a young girl toward passes construction sites because they would yellow. You whistle you talk to you. And i did not like that but some of my straight friends when they stopped doing it. When you're like thirty they were upset by to me. I do remember thinking great. That's over you have a boldness that perhaps is locking in the generation. Because you say what you're saying without worry. I think that's probably true. It never occurs to anyone young that you say anything just thinking. There's no idea that that's true. You know they're so aware of a reaction from other people over time. It's like the injure your life two things this way that people so there's definitely a lack of people believing me which drives them crazy. When i say what you say. Did you say this. In order to list i just it because i think that's why i said. Imagine the the lack of problems we would have if people said what they thought but heartland went does and so. That's why no one believes me is interesting as you say because you believe that you say because you think it's how do you actually form such clear views because that's very consistent in what i've seen when you being an even with with with your friend. Martin scorsese you talk so clearly. You seem to know exactly what you think. Have you thought for a long time. No i mean the things i say. I don't think about another words. They just come. The only time that i can recall. Certainly my adult life. Where i was wishing i knew to think about something was when covered first appeared. I didn't know how to judge anything i did. Not think about this because truthfully by the time you're my age or even it should be way before most things are like other things but was like nothing i'd ever experienced in my life and that is very unusual Experienced this age you mentioned new york. It is the place that you all sit on switch. I do love the is taxi driver. For how long. Less than a year for sure. How was that horrible. But first of all i hate working a friendly. I realized by the time. I was in my middle twenties and i kept switching. These bad jobs. I had i realized friend. You don't like to work. it's as simple as you friend. We've made a fantastic errors leg. I have known in my life. People never had to work and they often complain about him. You know and i think like any change blazes with me. Because i've never had the slightest problem thinking of what to do. If i didn't have to work so driving a cab when i drove a cab First of all is considered very dangerous. Because it was in very early seventies probably seventy one seventy two and the orchestra dangerous then the reason i became a cabdriver was because i could do it in other words i tried you know when i came to new york. I was a kid. I hadn't finished at type. And so i thought i could do this. I know how to try. We arrive at your woman driving a cab. What was that more of the things. I kept hearing. There's another woman camper. But i never saw her. Bishop was very upsetting to the cab. Drivers by the way that i was struggling to skip. The stereotypical cabdriver in shelvin was a working clash. Jewish guy smoking a cigar and that was true and these guys would look at me like with hatred. Because i think they were thinking is what's gonna happen to the profession. You will see signed johan quick look sheets and rising off tonight. I feel things to at least working for and they will interview magazine and starts to columns You always thought you could right. But how did you feel. People would take a woman being funding being whitsett. How funny women treats it because you are jewish. There isn't great comic At drawer ripon. Did you feel you could be included as a woman. I really didn't think about it. I skipped a lot of stuff. In retrospect you know on the one hand people say that's not good. You should be more softball fall. Sophomore on the other hand in just do stuff. I just think about it. I mean when. I was a kid in school. Like twelve thirteen. My mother said me. Don't be funny boys. Boys don't like honeywell's and forcing by the way the turn out to be true. When i was kid especially at large holiday meals with like my grandparents my odds i very rarely got to the neal because Totally stable leads to your being fresh. You're talking back so you know. Mostly the things that i was paid for when i told her i was punished for jim. Also in school that was also thrown out of class. All the time from making remarks came back to the classroom but i. i didn't really concentrate on the fact that. I was probably getting punished more because i was a girl did you. Mom dad has finally finally that when you're older. Did they see what other soul. Because you've been cooled the funniest woman in america. I don't know. I really don't know i guess they did. I mean what. Am i. Father friends today so i guess you get your sense of humor from your and i said my father's funding. I didn't know my father was funding. Wasn't us show you know they dishes between parents children when i was young with so much bigger than it is now used. This got show. When i became this big little thing i was never evolved. I've never been a political activist. I never thought work. It seemed ridiculous to me. And so not being you know notably self-sacrificing. I never thought why. Don't you spend your life trying to discipline. That's never going to happen and actually for a long time. It didn't work probably in the last couple of years. It worked much more than it worked in the preceding fifty years. And it's astonishing to me that is working at all and and of course it. Does it worked perfectly and it never will. I always said and thought the it is more likely to be racist. Not that there's going to be one. But more likely than in and and i really thought that because racism saito fantasy so it is possible that people will give up a fantasy. It hasn't happened. There's recent is a fantasy superiority. There's actually zero difference between races zero. But there is a difference between men and women that are real by which i mean biological and this is something that fuels and enables misogyny and show that i thought vicious never going to end and so when the me too movement started i knew almost every single one of those original dies i knew. Then personal i heard a zillion stories about these guys. I believe everyone of them. But there were some of the stories i never. I never heard stories effort. And i knew someone schools and just because with no togue starts. It's too horrible. They don't tell they telling me anyway. Someone recently nothing really changes look is horrible and i say you know what harvey which is jail. That's a huge change isn't jam. This is someone who hollywood for twenty five years. I mean rule like a king. This is really the thing And so there has been changed. That may to mit was shocking. Especially how fast. I said someone being was the same you know from like eve until ten minutes ago. Gay rights woman. I was never that people are always kit coming up until he thinking sanctioning friend. Thank you for fighting so hard for gay marriage. I never heard of getting marriage that it was not as thought ever came into my head. I'd never heard of it. No one when i was young. This idea that exist. It never occurred to me that this book to examples that. I'm not saying that yet. Feminism old equality leeann facility however you wanna time it but do you think you'll too cynical. No i think it's a really appreciate a pricey thing that it worked at tell i think in other words. Even though i turned out to be wrong. I still feel i was right. I don't think that all the progress of gay rights which. I'm well aware that perhaps you're supposed to call him gay anymore. We're ever supposed to call and tell me what you want me to call a call that i don't keep up with the every single second That in retrospect you know maybe was a more likely to happen because it can happen to anyone by which in any family could have someone letting for gay and show i. I never really thought about that before. Too perhaps But it should astonishing to me. I mean it's show succeeded that even the right wing you know People stop talking. They they know they lost. We're still fighting confederate war. The i mean the civil war you know that they're not willing to give up you know but this instead probably mostly can you imagine have marred. No no the first thing. When i first started making marriage. I thought i'd be like i actually thought it was horrible. I did who wants to be street. People to me seemed like a kind of a movement to free the masters you know. I think i would never want to do that And then when it became like really a big thing you know as long as it's not mandatory up for it's okay. It's still something that you know. Inouye appeals to me zero. I see that it has huge appeal new york. We didn't vote for some places they actually had about it. We didn't vote for if it had been on the ballot. I will vote for it because people wanted it. You know and especially hated the people who didn't want it but i thought nominate hicks. Henny book the fron liebowitz reader is out today and you can catch tore next year in the uk. Just buying my tickets now now. Lots to be in touch about being an older woman. Liz said i'm seventy three and never think of myself as an old woman. Except when i look in the mirror still rowing on the river. Walking my kominos generally getting involved in community activity of got full of kids on full grandchildren. Laugh at yourself. Enjoy nature cape fit and keep your mind active. It's a great time of life now. Girl boss has been used as a term of empowerment referring to a new generation of confident. Take charge women who pursue their own entrepreneurial ambitions but since nasty gal founder sophia maria coined the phrase in twenty fourteen. The concept has been derided by those who say it's been dominated by white middle class privileged women but what impact if any has the movement had on you. Did you feel excluded from an entirely. While as mccown is the founder of darjeeling express and a tiger uber is the author of. We need to talk about money. I started by asking a tiger. Who was guil- boss four. I think it was aimed at millennial women and certain kind of relatively affluent ones and usually white ones. I guess a lot of the issues in the way kind of encourage. You live your life Privilege certainly most of the icons were held up his bosses in the media and culture. Like sophy ameri so all legit gunman. He founded the weighing all in early y These all white women and often. That's because the kind of Being doubles is having access to funding investment dollars and women kinda various unable to access. Now so as i was saying that. Asthma venture capitalists are prepared to invest. But is it because they are already privilege beautiful white women who comes with an idea and that's why they get the they get the funding to go often become boss absolutely and i'm very with that word because i think that the problem is that it is women. Taking on the persona of success in meal terms traditionally the whole idea of boston. You know someone who's really buzzing it around you wouldn't normally associate with a with a female. It was always you know you would think that the bosses obvious a man culturally as well then this kind of taking on labels and putting on labels on yourself. It is makes me very uncomfortable. Because i think that it definitely excludes me accented in my fifties you know i've i see myself a successful i would never call myself a girl or a boss and this is the problem that it is an age thing as well and it is very very vite this whole idea that you know. I'm i'm going to be in this privileged position. I'm going to be the top of the of the pecking order. It is what has happened with men. All along success was seen as about you being the very top and i. i've. I've always tried to tell people who talk about just the net flicks episode that. You broke the glass ceiling. You're a female all female kitchen. I don't want to be in a place surrounded by glass. I want to bring the edifice down because when there are buildings and you having to break the ceiling. It is a very lonely place to be. I want to see women in my lifetime. Surpass what i did. I want to remove the hurdles. I want generation coming after me. Not even to see the hurdles. I hit that they might say that it's it was a great idea and it's about empowerment and it's about giving a a younger generation that of go out there and you can achieve anything. The problem with being a girl. Boston coming across as this kind of powerful female figure was made it. It doesn't talk about the hurdles that they may have been through. It seems so easy. I got it and you know has struggled a bit but the thing is that women of color jump through and go through so much more pain. We carry the burden expectations of our culture of you know a lot of other difficulties. No one sees. It is not an equal race between white women and women of color when it comes to business. I'm a living example of that. I was never shown a place after neck lakes for a year and a half not a single landlord. Almost all of them white told me there was no suitable property for me. The first question the asked me is. Do you have a business funding. Do you have a business partner. I can't believe that business partner. Yes and i can't believe it's been three decades since left india where everybody asks you. Who's your suitable boy. I was asked the same question here. I had to wait for men to fail for the pandemic to come for me to be shown a site that was big enough where i wanted to move. I was shown nothing for a year and a half. i take. I'm going to bring you in what you think about las saying. Why kind of touches on. One of the cool criticism to goebbels culture. Which is that it. it's way of living is probably any possible if he come from central background. Look a certain way safe. You're why middle-class and what it doesn't really factor in when it kind of encourages you to unite to these high-powered korea's of these special coop cooper only possible if someone in which is white middle class women make use of belabor of other less-privileged women so these women in a who'd be lacking in cast in nannies housekeepers cleanest These often Paid precarious and often very racialist role. So you know how does a cleaner who is on a zero contract. Lean in advocate for more. It's more likely that she probably fired. especially getting payroll so i think that is one of the cool criticisms of celtics cultures. That doesn't really factor in the experiences of women of color. What was your own experience. Because he sets out on your own. Yeah out because i marginalized left in advertising as a young black women. And this is. Why kind of do have some i guess understanding goebbels culture because this was twenty fifteen twenty sixteen when i became self employed and in my early. Twenties becoming self-employed isn't something. I really substantial career often. It's not something that i would have entertained. But with the rise of goebel's coach whether it's a real emphasis in south employment high can make it work. That i think did fight is to a need possibility sir. I'm to like keying. Throw the Buffalo i mean. It's bitcoin say buren boss. But i am now in boston of the reason i felt able to make. That leap was observing these examples. Observe in these stories. These nazis in these Resources but i august still have to tell with. I guess marginalization discrimination. It doesn't feel as pointed as it did when i was lacking advertising the interesting that we're talking about this on a day two days after its it was announced that cheryl cole's doing the the podcastone. Bbc sounds and the backlash to that. I was curious choice. Because she's not rpm sit on the cape. We have such a wealth of amazing black british rb. Singers jimmy shoddy. We have in beverley knight. They're all these incredible women have a real connection that music into that culture. Who the bbc co. pittsburgh is john call. Is this conversation moving on. We moved away from the gill bus movement. Is it time that we start talking about and taking on board other people's experiences of life and their identity their race their gender sexuality and is all happening now because we've lifted the pandemic and we're now you know black lives matter happened me to happen so but we're in a completely different world now and the conversation has moved on. I don't think we're in a completely different world. I think there is still huge amount. What's been done. I think the good thing. I guess about the bat last matter movement in need recent yance uneven i guess with the disastrous is that it has i guess i can. Love is to level of inequality whether it's racial gender emittant Experience of being that say women who black pests place progress has been made making understandings high. But i think we can't get in. I also sometimes questioned the will of people to make some changes. And i think that is as important as than having an understanding of the needs to make changes. And what's it gonna take to change the situation so that people have feel that they have to fight as hard as they do. It's very important that you know we build. Alliances that you actually. It has to be a movement you know. Bit empathetic men. this is not about us anthem. And i'm very uncomfortable old ways but you know white feminist. Because i think that they don't get me especially you're gonna being muslim. That complicates things as well and i think that we need to build bridges with people who are like minded read our stories. You know listen to things like this and we should not see this just as you know i need to be successful and seed and very personal terms. I think we need to see it and much bigger terms. They're actually bit changing a culture. Ba- shaking the earth gently and that is what we should be doing. I love that phrase shaking. The earth gently the brilliant asthma. Mikan undertaker or october. And if you wanna comment on anything listening to on the show them please get in touch with those you can. Email is via our website. Now the magical story of the world's favourite nanny arriving on cherry tree lane is back in london's west end at the prince. Edward theatre the stage version of. Mary poppins adopted from the stories of pale. Travis in one thousand nine hundred thirty four continues to be a huge around the world since its opening in london. Seventeen years ago taking on the lead role of. Mary is easy strolling he pops in on monday to perform practically perfect for his. I'm practically report. People each veteran each patient. i'm rector. Nah if i had a full never did. That was easy. Celena companies on the piano by isaac mcculloch with practically perfect from the new stage version of. Mary poppins now on wednesday during listener. Week you may remember. 'em spoke to lauren gibson. She wanted to talk about the difficulties of finding out. Your child has learning disabilities. How do you cope after hearing. Your child isn't developing normally. I'm what do you do whilst waiting for a full diagnosis. We introduced her to selena. Begley the scottish partnership engagement manager at family fund to get some practical advice. He can listen back to that via bbc sounds but we felt there was more to say so we decided to get lauren back on the program to chats clay walker who some was diagnosed with autism in may because sometimes the best person to hear from is someone who's been through a similar experience to you. Lauren started off by telling him about her son. I had concerns when he was about to. I raised it at the health business to check that you have when the two years old because he was very quiet. Didn't engage in the same way as my eldest so Didn't seem to be interested in playing with those. I raised as they said he was meeting what they were. Looking for. And lockdown happened. He had no childcare atoll for ten months and then he started at preschool Phenomenal preschool and within about five weeks. They rangan said we need to have chats. And that's your stomach And they came around the house because it's lockdown and stood in the garden and said he's not developing normally and what it is is he doesn't seek out to play with others. He doesn't ask questions he gets overwhelmed. And has shoes Self homes homes or the homes may and a big thing is he has absolutely no concept of keeping him south safe says. I think you're familiar with having children and they're about eighteen months you know they're going to follow shutting if it's hot but as they grow up You go to without taking with them with you. When you can symbolism a little bit more from the tv we take the washington something like that but he doesn't have any Of safety where he regularly gets her to admit you've got black high the starting school because he just stepped up trampoline and then the ladder brokers always face to for you. I mean that moment if you thought something and then you had to have that conversation as i wrote in detail to to us about this that led to you trying to find out what was going on. When they said it to even have concerns it still felt like On my response was to kind of back and say no. he's fine. it's locked down. He's not seen any of the children for nine months. His brother is very wonderful. Book berry charismatic. Every confident boy. Don't maybe brothers talking for him. You know. I'm sure it's case so thought they stay said if they said well you can gather evidence will have a about so. I did sixty five minutes videos. Loaded to dropbox them. Because i want to show. The wounded is c. And wanted to show them that but in doing that. I really started to look as behavior. I'm a qualified teacher and have a master's in teaching your learning. So i did could look through a different land and than i did. Start to see the differences in the differences between pitches and how interacted with others and then the petty dropped about christmas time. That's that he wasn't a half. You had a diagnosis assaults. No so we have said. This all started in october when the cames god so where to now is that assessment pediatricians assessments from health visitors and the team at the local council feed into his preschool. Necess- tim amann. I felt documentation. So we're on now. What's called an ast pathway where they put all that together and he's due to have a meeting in the next few weeks where they get together and discuss. Whether there's no evidence to give a diagnosis that he's there's nothing wrong with an or that they're going to watch and ways to gather more evidence from the school so i'm very much like i said. Last time i was on that i felt like oh well. I won't tell him until about a diagnosis. Then you've had a long time to wait a moore denies even that kind of thing and every time people have spoken to them all. You're doing well because it's less than a. Yeh i people keep saying to me. Well done so far so soon. I can see i can stand sort clara agreeing and i want to bring you into this club because your your son said was diagnosed with autism. Very recently yes. He was diagnosed in may and that was off the two years so Actually exactly the same so his around the time of his two year. Check the of the difference with my son was that he he's nonverbal And that was always kind of couldn't escape the that was you know there was something going on inside. I i went to his health is more about that than anything else and kind of. Yeah so i also held. She did this to you. Check in that was where it all started. And we've only just got the diagnosis. So that's two years and our people to be signed yet. You've done really well because you go to in two years and you've got it before school on we've got. We've now got a diagnosis. We've got a naacp which is like an asean statement is what they used Just aware where acronyms are being shared essien and special educational needs for those who want in the know but what. I think twice striking. But what what you've both said and club helps. You could comment i. Is you talking about a almost a community. You seem to found a little bit saying or people have said. This is very quick. Have you had to find your people clear on this deal. Yeah and i think it's really important to reach out to. People are not huge on social media. I do instagram To what was happening with us in just sort of like shed like mini block to talk about it. And i've connected with two or three really potent parents that going through it and then joined a couple of facebook and again absolute absolute lifeline. Really understanding people that you can ask any any question you like to say lauren. At this point where she's up to that you've learned definitely look for the social media contacted that because again there might not be people in your local area. Talk to me if you want me. That's fine i'm here. Bond my off the help he needed. Somebody said to me very early on. I think it's important like you say. Do utah cross it but you said there is the temptation to think. I'm not gonna say anything. Until i got darkness is not gonna sign. Who official and i know. I did a lot of kind of only might have something going on when nazi showroom. We're having assessed in will he. Doesn't it very well. But with you do the kind of apologizing and that's kind of growed in into now saying oh well he's he has autism but i certainly talked about it grunting more and more as time went on and got more confidential Again i think that's important and love to come back to you lauren. Dd feel you've had to find some of those people because the people around you couldn't relate or you didn't know what to say you've kind of had to separate out tabet yeah m. unfortunately yes it's it's when you broach with friends that you know already. I think there's been a mixture of response. Some people in phenomenal and some people have such a they. Were trying to be helpful. But in a way invalidates your experience so when you say well he doesn't ask questions at toll and they'll say oh. I'm sure growing sweat so it didn't exist when we were young and wear final. Isn't he a bit young to know and a lot is when he doesn't look autistic. Some show is going to be okay Whilst i know that coming from place of help it feels like now. I'm trying to tell you something. sefton that i'm dealing with right now and i've had some amazing just nips maintenance space me to sign Things to do you need sorry. Yeah it's just it's hard to put yourself out practice. It feels like is collecting hidden thing. Any don't want to admit your child depleting homely cracked on the different had noticed early. Should i pushed it more to chat this old failing around it so it's hard to bring up then when i have to because quirk not pasta and it's surprising the other people that going through these things which is why you want to do. This is what. I wanted to demo. Nobody also the was was incredibly eloquent and really well put and there were many things in it you know not just the number of not knowing but this feeling of people saying awful things even when they're trying to help and then the the silence around it and not shame per se but the feeling that you can't say what you're wanting to say this secrecy of it. Yes undefeated people saying. Oh well you need to be positive. Let's talk about something else. And it's that feeling of i've spent all day pretending to children's tv end pretty much. Because i don't want to show my children how sad i am trying to deal with. My eldest is only attachment h got an. He's noticing the differences in trying to minimise it. Time to manage when you're Ducey funds in houston. Did you just want to. But it's navigating when appropriate when it's offs and finding that group of people when my friend said what do you need to feel like i need is that. Nc ti group support those parents. You go through something together and in the middle of the night you can text and say my son has depression stay and they know that means they can share the joy with you because must be those moments and and cloud. You can also share on this. You must have those moments. Whether all breakthroughs there are wins and you can also celebrate those as well as having that space to say how you really feel. Yeah i read somewhere that Essien parents know how to celebrate. The little wins better than anyone. And i think that's completely compatriot as idea the day in my son. Kiss me on the mouth. The first time and he's full and lots of lots of parents that happens when eight months old but for me it was just like oh my god. He put his arms round my neck and kissed me. Take for Child that was massive. What be for you literally. I bust just go look like quickly. Take a ferry kissing me. He's actually kissed me. He hasn't done against ads but yes yes. I think when you when you've got child who's a little bit different Those little things become absolutely massive. But there's some ingredient magically that and yes there are holidays Around but they're also days when it is just wonderful and fox hunting and completely magical and my son is one of the funniest people i know Like i laugh at loud him. most days. lauren getting messages. Say thank you for bringing this up and creating this space. You're a slightly different stage of course to lab. How are you feeling now as you go forward with this laura positive nosy so swollen two days. That's an always tickets in one in classroom suggesting a very very nervous about that. But i'm so pleased that did reiten and i just it just came a place of wanting to be heard and wanting to share and just sitting here. I think you could call video one. Lauren gibson and claire walker and on thursdays program. We heard from parents of disabled children who say they find themselves being blamed or under suspicion when they ask for help. You can listen back to that on. Bbc sounds and your emails came in. Francesca said i feel very grateful to have had your discussion about senator. Today i have a six year old son who's been diagnosed with. Pd is a little known condition under the umbrella of the autism spectrum. It's been an emotional struggle but we're very lucky to have support in place. It was good to hear your guests and remember that when not alone. We've all had horrific moments at soft play that we can laugh about later now forty years ago this week. Thirty six people from a campaign group called women for life on earth marched from cardiff to the greenham common. Raf base in. Newberry embark shirt to protest against the british government allowing us nuclear missiles british soil realizing that marching was not enough many state at greenham to continue their protests and we're joined by thousands of women from all over the world to form the greenham common women's peace camp. They stayed there for almost twenty years. In what would become one of the longest and most famous examples of feminist protest in history. While last week another group set off from cardiff to commemorate and follow the roots of the original protesters rebecca. Morton is one of them. She was taken to green and by her mother. Aged five and is the co author of out of the darkness. Green voices nine thousand eighty one to two thousand a book which shares the recollections of many of the women who lived at greenham common including say first rebecca. Morton told them where they were during their walk. We are optimistic. Telling each other reminding each other. We are over halfway through where just sitting on the green and devices right now. We've pulled away from the march to to to join you fight bassett and we'll catch up with them on multiple blue dot as they walk all the way today to marlboro. I feel bad. We've pulled you away but you'll catch up on so you're hoping to get there by friday. And how many of you on this walk. Every day says a core team about twenty people who are doing the whole thing and different backgrounds ages. It's a really lovely mix but there's also the people come every day so sometimes we just have maybe a few people who come and walk sections with us and then days we have another fifty people who'll turn up and walk the whole the whole day or say i'm going to do next three days with your two eyes and we've got a lot of people who want to walk a lot of green and women as well. He wants to congress switch to grade. Imagine the whole lost. That's going to be a bit to the party. I think but the the climate of fear to go back to nineteen eighty. One actually remind people who don't know anything at all about this or forgotten and that's important to you to try and paint the image. There was such fear for some. Wasn't there about nuclear when this began absolutely i think i think for all i think it was incredibly visceral fear. It's not dissimilar to the fear that the very rightly have now if climate change that we should all have. It's not dissimilar to the fears that many share about male violence locally nationally globally. And we've just committed as a government in britain to spend forty percent more on nuclear weapons. Is that if our our nhs coming off Communities as an awful of the green and women were addressing in that high of the cold war. The actually is really really really important for us to to kind of be inspired by day. Women inspire women. That's kind of why we're all here. Let's bring in sioux. Say you one of the original women from greenham you eighteen. I believe when you went. What motivated you. I was eighteen when i went. I joined mostly. I think because my both my parents belong to c. n. d. and i've been Sort of active part of that. My dad was a conscientious objector. And actually my mom was a red in the wall. And beyond so i had quite a balanced view of you know to to have an army to protect people to support the un and to go in for crisis situations. Yes i i was fully with that. But the idea of pushing a button miles away And murdering generations of people just was completely unacceptable to me and not was. That was my motivation. However when a goal there. I realized that i was a lot more naive than i thought. I thought that was a very soest inimitable and i got there and i suddenly realized arriving at yellow gains and talking to the women that i realized i knew absolutely nothing so it was it was really. It was an education. It was the style to my education as to the place that women have in the world and learning. That actually could say now. And we're not going to do this and we're not gonna have violence and we are going to look after each other and we're gonna look after our planet and i think that was the start of my education. Hold that thought for a moment. See we're going to hear a clip of some of the women explaining their reasons for staying at greenham. This is an eight pro. Nine thousand nine hundred eighty three. I was looking to hear about the campus when it first started. And i just came down. We'll to see what was going on and became emotionally involved and the women's peace come to me was that look death in the eyes and find some hope and strength to be able to find what seems to be the ultimate threats to our destiny where let us change see. Oh miserable day. But there's no real taste when i see i don't want to stay here any more in rolette because over. Its mess boys. You can see your sentiment here and we're talking about laughing and let you just create energy. i mean. sometimes it's hard to get up to begin the daily tool against cruise. It's guy i really enjoy. Being part of the for being here is to show that people can do things for themselves ordinary people. We started to call ourselves. Common women now not green and women who which puts over the idea of being very ordinary an ordinary people can do something about it and we all making the government. Think again we'll come to that in a moment but life there apart from the education a lot of that sitting around the fire talking to women from all sorts of backgrounds. But it was pretty hard as well. You know no running water freezing cold winters you did have to sort of stick out say absolutely however as you will properly discover and you have a group of women you become very creates if we made our own showers. We supported each other. We help teach to kind of find different ways of approaching things working together. It's incredible how actually you can make things work very well. We had sort of groups of women who sort of focused on what they were best start. Some women were really good organizing the processes of calm and so they set up so of food tents and showers and such facilities. Other women went and the fence everybody found well-suited them and they did that and together. We've owned a whole protest as as a whole load of individual women doing it their own way. I wanted to get back to rebecca as well though. Because i said you were five when you went. What are your early memories of going to the with your mom. I have my mom. We'd take faded pies de things like nightwatch where they with. Local women with sits in god tense the living that kind of really good sleep for that cruise. Watch say that the army can with moving missiles amounts. She's called telephone trees which are the dinosaur version of social media and things Say she was very active. And so i went to go there and just several different substances. I with guy that either on a quiet day to take the supplies and hang out and then it was brilliant because like he just off. This is a great proof. Grownups that to me. I was like i could ask them anything so you could just go around to. I'm sure i was real. Actually i never go fresh. They seemed like nice. Lovely women you can ask any question in the world just sitting talked about in you. It was it was really a. I just love the education of the apron ness and then of course. I can remember the really really really busy times. Like i was embraced the base and i can remember you know the sound effect thousand women singing the same songs and hol holding hands and taking off from the moment they knew that they suck the base and this powerful failing around a chia on me just looking up at my mom and the woman only this side of them smiling down just thinking. Oh my god. This is all women. And i'm going to be a woman one day. This is so cool. Well the you mentioned singing that let. Let's hear an excerpt from some of the singing route. Two is a i can see on the co. You're smiling quite quite broadly. The singing all parts of it was what kept us. All going women made up songs. We picked a choon and everybody would just have guy when we just add lines and it helps to lift your spirits when you are working together on anything and i think that that was something that fills us with infusing gasa because it does get a bit flat when i first went there we had actual structures. We had benders that we lived in we. I lifted an ambulance thought was rosy times but then they made illegal to have structures on the common illegal to have fires on the common. And it just got harder and off because we aren't the sort of adapts on how to live without those luxury items as they turned out to be. I was going to say because in one sense. You're talking with smiles and warm memories wanting to help and rebecca feel strongly about this as well. How people remember this huge women's movement from around the world but the reception to you was mixed. I'm even got a message here. That's just came in so dodging hippies with zero understanding of global politics at rebecca. What would you make of that. Because that's that's one of the ones. I can probably read aloud. Yeah there's a lotta strong feeling. And they're always around social justice change. Occ messages on that. Why naive factor called the green and women accenture because well didn't share in the and the tabloids certainly put it in other ways. Yeah and it's really interesting. Because obviously i think it's naive site week. Women stink living somewhere flooring thousands of women around the country getting discussions about feminism and nuclear proliferation close to dinner tables every house in the country costing hundreds of thousands of pounds of damage to the american english governments across nearly twenty as it would be. It would be naive to say that was not a massive thorn in the side of the establishment and they didn't change the relationship between men and women and it didn't create a dialogue nationally and internationally around what we should do with weapons and how we should handle sows. military's clearly you can't send just one. Group has responsibility for changing basis. But you can you would be to say a massive campaign. The largest lead competence. Suffrage didn't have a huge impact on that. There's also that the you mentioned the tabloids. I think is really interesting that the tabloids particular incredibly bulent about lesbianism at the camp and things like that particularly on that but it goes up to that point. That wasn't even a public discussion around the fact that there one lesbians even now not so jeannie that can back in the bottle one of the ripple effects of greenham is that you know we all much more open about the fact that women have same sex relationships as well. Do you mind me the time. But civilly was something. That's one of the movements. That may. I saw lesbian on the tally on tent. And i saw it in the papers. I thought oh my god. I'm not the only one. I'm gonna go bad. That's might be that brought together for lofty ways into that. That primary relationship didn't have to come from that. Which is you can never go back from the its radical rebecca morton and sioux. Say speaking swimmer. Okay here's a question for you. All how often do you look in the mirror another question. How judgmental you. When you see your reflection. I'm why do some mirrors feel more flattering than others while creeper putty spoke to psychotherapist and author. Susie orbach and to mirror experts. Dr melissa cow. All about this. She started by asking what makes a bad mirror. What we call it a bat mira where is actually essential in your imperfection if you wanna put it that way and we see that. Come down to three points. Ease the angle of the mirror the tint of the mirror and the lighting surrounding mirror so the angle of mirror is the most flattering is when the mirrors actually slugging away from you so they lean on the wall and with a with a slight slant with the bottom near at you and the top away from you this actually magically elongate your legs a lot i love your use of the word magically. Yes so it gives you the proportion that you probably like to see. So that's a bit. More flattering then detained. Eddie probably know a normal mira has a green-tinted because of the irony has inside. That's probably the most unflattering way because it gives you that. So we're looking at a gross tint which is probably the best because he gives you a son case complexion which again is just suffering Updated dated legs and the sun kiss complexion. Yes go ahead. His son the lighting that is surrounding where you stand in front of the mirror. If you have a very strong lights above you a spotlight right above you is shining down on you. It's costing the shadow down so where your joy line you know. All your bags are all essential rated which end probably essential aging at the wrong places on what you're wearing. So the best lighting will be a dispersed like so imagine sunlight is very dispersed so it actually soft and all those that imperfection so ideally. You wanna lie this actually in front of you from the mirror and reduce the along some of the fitting rooms. There have got it right. They actually have lights to strips of flights either side of the mirror if softens the imperfection and to let you look a bit. You're clear on yourself. We live in an age of social media. Melissa i wonder understand whether the same principles apply to taking a selfie. Yes actually now. We have a lot of the selfie. Stick with a ring mirror. That actually Round your phone that is trying to create that effective spell about the line team so the light actually comes from behind your lens. So it's giving you disperse light. The best southie is way you actually angle your phone a bit lower down. You want to anglophone from waist down rather than top down. So you don't want to have the toll pass and take your phone at i level so you want to lower it down to your waist level or lower so to give you again back elongation theological. It's so technical. I just take the camera off in front of my face and click click there. You have it at a really important question here in your home. Where should the mirror spe- actually. I have good some tricks for myself too. I actually put any shadley share near my front door. Front have got a lot window. So it's It's so i do. Have some dispersed lighting. Which is good. And i had this heavy nearest so i didn't hang it so I put it on the floor so naturally you would leave the mirror onto the war so again giving me that angle. The only thing. I don't have i didn't have the orange humira. All the rose tints. I i have a normal mira but the angle right and the lighting right. So i had a great plenty worried about that now. Thank you very much. Melissa up melissa calva. I want to move on to susie. Orbach joins me in the studio now. Let's get back to basics. Why do we look so. I think sometimes we look to confirm that. We're okay sometimes. We wanna fix ourselves as these mirrors sometimes to avoid those things that accord imperfections but mainly we have an internal mirror. We all have an internal. I and we look in the mirror to check out what we're projecting is what we wished to project but the problem is the minute we're engaged in the mirror. We're already throwing a particular view of bator selves onto the mirror. Not only we seeing ourselves in reverse but we're because of of a mood or a longing or our delight that day we project that onto the mirror so there's no such thing as a mirror. That isn't a mirror that hasn't engaged person involved in it. So it's almost as if we're trying to confirm or correct our own self perceptions. I think so. Yes i mean. I think it's quite if we watch others in. The mirror always giggle because of the faces that people make and And the way in which they'll strike a position now it's very much with youngsters even and five years who are playing to camera the whole time and that is not. The kind of a mirror isn't it. So what is a healthy relationship with your mirror. I think probably is checking on yourself that you feel as comfortable as you can before you go about your day. It's not checking every mirror that you ever see and it's not being petrified when you see yourself in on oxford street or in a public place and you see this person coming at you. There isn't you but is somehow related to you. So i think it's it's getting dressed and brushing you teeth. Probably look at yourself when you're brushing your teeth getting self together and just looking in that. Is it until you need to fix yourself up again. One academic whose work i followed. Who decided not to use a mirror for a whole year. And she got married in that year and she had to develop an internal strengths of recognizing that she existed in space that she was a physical being. She was an energetic being rather than a flat surface. Which is what across america is. But it's pretty hard. Not look in the mirror. isn't it. yeah. I think it is hard. Because we're surrounded by them. i think not any mirrors with with surrounded by zoom. So many people right yeah. Many people are not turning off self you so instead of looking at each other as we are moment are looking at themselves which is yet another distortion because the thing about amid mirror is you're looking at yourself as surface and none of us offices we have the most mobile faces and eyes and cheeks and and smiles and sar eyebrows. Everything yeah and so when you catch yourself in a mirror. It's frozen millisecond which is not expressive of who you are and so it's really major distortion. I knew though about marriage out there susie orbach and melissa cow karen emailed into say i realized the other day. I have lots of mirrors around me. I have them to bring more lights in and liked to see various angles to life. But recently i wondered. If it's another reason i'm an identical twin and my formative years and adolescence was spent with my sister alma creating the identical person. I'd grown to have around all the time. That's it for me and weekend woman's hour. Don't forget join emma on monday. Two minutes past ten and remember you gorgeous. Don't listen to what the mirrors telling you. We're all shopping for essentials online these days. And now you could get rewarded for it. With the bank of america customized cash rewards credit card. You can choose to earn three percent cashback on online shopping. The essentials have never felt more rewarding visit bank of america dot com slash more rewarding to apply now copyright twenty twenty one bank of america corporation.

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While the women who marched greenham common. Were very creative. I'll be finding out a little bit about bats in the program but first in texas a law banning abortion from his earliest. Six weeks into pregnancy has come into this week. This means that a woman can't have an abortion wants something called a fetal heartbeat is heard which many medical authorities say is misleading on wednesday evening the. Us supreme court refused an appeal from reproductive. Healthcare organization planned parenthood to try and stop the law now. Millions of women in the state will be subject to very restrictive abortion laws. Many of who won't even know they're pregnant before the six weeks. According to the texas policy evaluation project at the university of texas more than eight out of ten people. That's around eighty. Five percent will no longer be able to access abortion while here to discuss this with me as president and ceo of planned. Parenthood federation of america. Alexis mcgill johnson and national correspondent for npr. Sarah mccamman morning tea both welcome to women sal. Sarah i'm going to begin with you. Let's let's talk this through. Exactly what does this law do as you said it Functionally bands of worship for really most people in texas. I think it's important to understand that. Eighty five percent of abortions in texas according to i believe planned parenthood at some of the other organizations. They're of bicker. Eighty five percent occur after what is essentially the cutoff point in this bill. Which as you said is It's something that advocates for these laws. Call heartbe understanding embryonic development. It's more like cardiac activity that at six weeks or so. It's still in the embryonic stage of pregnancy. That's very very early. And as you also said At the stage of pregnancy many people don't even know that they're pregnant and must stay are You don't have very regular menstrual cycles and may be close attention so functionally it means that for most people in texas of worship is now illegal and We can talk in a moment about the enforcement mechanism but this has a really unique enforcement mechanism and people who physicians and other providers who are found to violate. it can be a facing huge fine huge penalties. How will that happen. Yeah so this is what's really unique about this law and it's part of why it's still in effect I think it's important to note that there have been many many attempts and other states particularly in the midwest and south part of the united states to ban abortion around this stage around six or seven weeks. Those have all been found unconstitutional under a multiple supreme court. Precedents which in general. There's a strong idea and supreme court precedent in the us that the states cannot prohibit abortion prior to fetal viability. They have some leeway to restrict it and regulate it but they cannot prohibited obviously six weeks well before a fetus viable But this law rather than relying on public officials to enforce it actually puts that in the hands of individuals anyone a texan or otherwise is empowered by the statute to sue. Anyone believed to be in violation of it and that could be an abortion provider but that could also be There's an aiding and abetting provision in the law and so that that could also be someone who drives a woman to a clinic or in any way Assists in the provision of an abortion. That's illegal under this law which again is most abortions in texas and anyone convicted under this law. A finds start at ten thousand dollars plus court costs per conviction been called a bounty hunting scheme right. That's what abortion rights groups are calling it. They point out that it incentivizes people to file lawsuits and it could force abortion providers again. Not just abortion providers people who assist women in patients and getting help with abortion services possibly counseling a referral All of those people could face these kinds of lawsuits which are extremely expensive to defend oneself against your convicted The you know the the numbers could rack up incredibly high and it's really advocates for this law of the the antiabortion rights groups in texas have been very clear about that is the goal. They want to stop abortion interviews with them. They've said they hoped that providers will comply. We'll stop doing abortions and so there will not be abortion in texas. It's it's intended to be a really strong deterrent. And what we're hearing is that that is the case Many clinics will have been at minimum force to significantly reduced their services some have stopped providing abortions altogether because of this risk at. Why are we seeing such a restrictive law. Where did this kind of low come from. I think it's important to understand that there has been in the us since nineteen seventy-three when the roe versus wade supreme court decision legalized abortion across the united states. There's been a longstanding and concerted effort to reverse that policy and prior to row. You know some states did allow abortion And i'm sorry just going to get you to explain for some some of our audience. Who might not know the entire history about abortion law in the. Us could just run through A roe versus wade and why it's so important rates or prior to nineteen seventy-three. Some states did allow worshiping. New york was one of them. Were you know sort of cutting edge states in in allowing There were networks. Mrs spoke before. I was bored or even or reporter certainly but i i know that there were networks of people clergy for example. Who would help. Women travel out of state if they live somewhere where there was no access to abortion and so it was very much dependent on where you left whether or not an abortion was legal in available and in many ways. We're starting returning to a to a similar Situation now but in nineteen seventy. Three supreme court found based on a challenge to a law for out of texas Case brought out of texas from a woman who was seeking an abortion there the the court said essentially that women do have a constitutional right to an abortion. And since then there's there've been a series of other cases another big one in the early nineties was called a planned parenthood versus casey. And i won't go tons of illegal detail. But essentially there's been sort of an evolving understanding of the president as happens with these kinds of cases but the bottom line. Is that as it stands right now at least on paper under row and subsequent precedent states have some ability to restrict abortion earlier in pregnancy. But it's it's until recently was very clearly understood that posted by ability after a fetus is viable prior to viability. I should say before fetuses. Viable of the states are very limited in what they're supposed to be able to do to constrain that right And so there's another challenge pending before the supreme court just it just this year the supposed to hear another law out of the state of mississippi that would ban abortion after fifteen weeks and the fact that the core even said yes we will consider. This law was a bit eyebrow raising not really surprising to court watchers. Who've been watching the court moved to the right certainly moved too far to the right under the trump administration. But if you look at recent precedent You you would expect the court to say no that that laws clearly unconstitutional. It's not in line with all of our other precedent however the court is signaled a willingness to reconsider some of that president and so. I think what surprised a lot of people. This week is the fact that this texas law which goes so much further even than the mississippi law. I mentioned Is is in effect at least for right. Now i'm going to bring alexis in on this Kato kaz through the circus. This from your perspective. On what i mean. The most important thing was this law main for the women of texas. I mean Sarah's absolutely right. I mean the for the women. Texas row is effectively been rendered meaningless. It means that they could be waking up this week as you said. Most people don't know that they are actually a pregnant or just finding out they're pregnant around six weeks and They are trying to make decisions and they are finding out mayor. They're already without the right to do so and so in effect. Texas is turning back. Fifty years of precedent of our ability to make these decisions ability on the ground Providers aren't able to schedule appointments for patients who were past six weeks They're taking phone calls from patients who are scared and need to now put together resources to travel out of state to find child care to take time off for work. Remember most people who are seeking access to abortion. I least in the states are already parents And so you know it's it's it's really quite devastating and a lot is having its intended effect right. It is designed to deny texans the right to abortion it is designed to so Chaos confusion in now. Fear in not just The patients but also in the providers. The other thing i would just say is that texas has had a long standing as Sarah laid out Hostility to abortion. And so this law is also coming up on top of other Really insulting barriers to access Worship twenty four hour waiting periods. St base Counseling a mandated counselling Forcing patients to have ultrasounds now to identify of the cardiac activity and In that looks like you know patient coming in for their twenty four hour waiting period. Not having any cardiac activity and then a day later Coming in for the procedure even priests six weeks And and suddenly having the cardiac activity and not being able to get the medication so it is So what can of woman in that kind of woman realistically now do in texas if she wants to get an abortion so we have been working and with a network of providers independent providers planned parenthood providers An abortion funds which are resources to help people get access at to travel resources. The money to get out of state But she has to travel. She has to travel of miles out of state. Texas is huge. It is huge in states surrounding texas. Are all a a friendly and so they have. They have their own sets of restrictions. So the patchwork of abortion restrictions i think has severely undercut roe. Broadly and i think that's really what what we're seeing. There were six hundred restrictions that were introduced in twenty twenty one alone ninety which have been enacted and You know so. So bro is definitely Very much in danger on this disproportionately affects in from sets and communities absolutely. Yeah i mean we're talking about low income leeann talking about Blackened up women. We're talking about trans non binary Women who are trying to you know again Without access to resources at may in fact be forced into pregnancy. I think it's important to remember even pre-euro wealthy and always had a choice. They could get on a plane. They could fly to new york to where go to other other States even across to europe to To gain access to abortion. But it's always been a poor woman who had been Those denied access. Sarah who's pink pushing for this law. Presumably they are very happy with the result. At one of the most vocal groups in texas is texas right to life Which is a an organization that has a national umbrella organization above it at and there are many similar chapters in other states around the country But as i alluded to a little while ago the there's been a long term strategy since since row to to overturn it to reverse these laws. There's a lot of organization on the religious From evangelical christians and catholics although certainly not limited to to those groups but those those groups would certainly be would dominate the anti-abortion rights movement in this country. And you know these positions have been working for at and many others have working for for years and years at all levels of government to To pass restrictive state laws and try to see if they can get them to stand up to constitutional scrutiny and alexis mentioned a moment ago a even without banning abortion. Many states have put in place all kinds of obstacles to seeking it abortion like waiting periods and ultrasounds all of which take sort of add friction to the process at time in addition to that. We've seen an effort at the national level to to elect conservative senators. Which in this country have control over supreme court confirmation a and so that's been a major focus from some of these groups and of course the presidency I covered the trump campaign in two thousand sixteen. There was a lot of attention to the supreme court anti abortion issue from a conservative republicans particularly conservative christians. I've heard that again. And again and again as a reason people were fighting trump and so these groups have had their eye on this skull for very long time and have worked together to get to this point and so in many ways. It's not a surprise. I think what's been most surprising this week again. Is is that this particular law which is so restrictive and is really not incremental Which has been in a lot of ways to strategies incrementally erode row this. This is at least for now. In effect it may not be forever but but it is and i think there was a lot of surprise at the supreme court Even conservative supreme court would not step in and at least stop this law long enough to allow the status quo to continue while some of these other questions about it. Our could be litigated instead. They stand i'm alexis. I think something definitely the listeners here in the uk. we'll be finding it very difficult to get their heads around this this bounty hunting scheme which which allows members of the public to to to sue. Somebody who they think might have had. Bushel aided someone getting an abortion Why has this law pain included in women's reproductive health. It's quite honestly maniacally clever. It is Having such an impact already on the ground. And i think this is why you know obviously providers are Complying with ally and margaret. Concerned right i mean. We're seeing surveillance in parking lots. We're seeing people taking pictures of license tags and cameras on their on their iphones of of people going in and out of clinics we are seeing an increased number of Suspicious calls in to clinics. And i think that is really again. It is creating a not just a a a putting a bounty on people who are Supporting access to abortion. it's really creating sensitive. Vigilante justice and that to me is the thing that was most striking about the court that the the majority of really spoke to you. Know the the novelty curiosity of this provision as opposed to to completely naming the fact that it is as justice in my or. Did you know so cynical. And really a destruction of democracy of neighbors of community and it is you know i. I'm unsure this kind of ban Because the court has let it stand stanford now is going to Be copied across States that are also hostile to abortion states that have a created the similar patchwork that texas has Back at friction. Sarah talks about unhappily at the twenty six states that could pass this kind of legislation the next couple of years. How can send to you about women seeking out unsafe abortions. Well that's the thing right. I mean having access to worship is incredibly important. Restricting access does not stop people seeking access to abortion so people will certainly revert to to other measures We that is. That's just perfect. Course right we also going to see people again traveling multiple states. We had actually one patient. Who uber from texas to l. a. at the beginning of just hearing about the The ban taking effect up not knowing because the you know the intent is really so confusion so people are going through extreme measures To get accessed certainly will continue particularly after six weeks show. We will definitely be coming back to this topic of now. Ceremony salmon and alexis mcgill johnson. Thank you very much for speaking to us now. Beverly lewis describes herself as a conscious sex worker working with who have disabilities. She helps coach them to explore relationships and sexuality this can include being intimate with clients many of whom have never had sex or relationship with anyone previously. Beverly joins me now now. This will be a frank conversation and unwilling include details of a sex involved in her work very good morning. Lovely first of all. How would you describe what you do. Well i myself as sex and intimacy coach. Sometimes i describe myself as conscious sex worker. Sometimes i am working as a surrogate which is a a set way of working with a therapist and the client in what we call the try mobile and sometimes described us. My favorite taught with heart lady of the night is often them. I'm a former photos lady at night. Which is interesting because this to my sessions happen during the daytime because my client son often get into bed very early at my harry. Well lady if the night is also term used to a some people use it to destroy prostitution which lately how how is what you do different from prostitution so in some ways it's not They're trying to find a terms action. Rather is the buying and selling of Sexual sexual well. Actually i know providing sexual services. I think that's the main difference. Traditionally sex work is around Entertainment and providing services and surrogacy or more conscious sex workable intimacy sex. Coaching is more around. therapy out outcomes and sexual health and wellbeing allowing and a client to explore and express their sexuality. And i i like to compare it to food. It's the same as kind of going to a restaurant and ordering off the menu list of services and then kissed concealing that food and then leaving and then you're hungry later as opposed to kitchen with chef and tasting the food learning how the kitchen equipment on the utensils wet and then sitting down together and meet me enjoying a meal that you co created and the benefits of that lots much longer because the learning and the memories and the connection of doing something with somebody else and lost longer. So who your clients. So i i work with people with disability and all of my clients Unique and different and And actually you know my teachers. I what with people with congenital disability disabilities acquired and then acquired disability. So i'm later on in life either accident. Realm and a large part of my work is Problem solving and overcoming barriers to exploring sexuality or sexual pleasure so for example and that might be navigating stone of i or catheter or repegged feeding tubes coming after the stomach It might be working with paralysis and loss of feeling a loss of sexual function it could be around navigating equipment so working with someone in a in a powered wheelchair. Hoisting somebody onto a bed. Or into a bah Manhandling dealing with sight and hearing impairments traumatic brain injury autism. I mean the list goes on and on. There are many different disabilities outland. Disabled community issues voting main disabled people out there in the world today. that's twenty percent of the population. How do you know what you what. What your clients issues will be like. What's the process. So i have quite a lengthy assessment if you like ron capturing the clients Disability needs and expectations of what they would like to explore in the session. How they wanted to feel what they They would like to to explore and then we meet online and we have like a half an hour discussion and face to face. I'm assuming already that the session already started throughout that process and the idea. Is you know really getting an understanding and finding the language and frameworks able to bury opening honestly about sex and weather. What their experiences have been so far And then from there. We have quite be processing around logistics of how we going to meet because accessibility is a huge issue for a lot of my clients. And you know my client saying it's not a disability that disables them it's the society the ablest society that live in that disables the more say for example and some of my clients live at home with parents or have carers with them majority of the time or they might be residential hive and they actually want the same rights us. And that's to have privacy and dignity around exploring the sexuality essay sometimes. It's like cable that they don't want to have to have that enabled for them. So they'll we will have to arranged me elsewhere the house and finding somebody that successful perhaps voice. If in fact. I think there is only one hotel in london that has Really hoisted so. It's it's a real. Accessibility is a big big challenge in the big issue and is a challenge for you. Then every time you meet new clients within you specific needs needs having to kind of get your your own head around. What what you how you will deal with this client and what you have to do and initially started it was a total baptism of fire. And i was completely unprepared for for that and it was a real eye-opener when you start hanging out with people disability to see the challenges that they face and the discrimination but now I think that's one of the things that i really love about. Iraq is the problem solving and as a as an able bodied person. The the question is how. Can i use my myself. And my able body to be therapeutic toll to open access to facilitate to enable somebody with a disability to access something that wouldn't ordinarily be able to access the for me that's the fulfillment in the job satisfaction on. Why are they getting in touch with you. They saying i'm sure each client since a vigil. But what's the needs that you're fulfilling. What so yeah. Every client is different. It could be that a client wants to these virginity. It could be the client wants to explore. Their sexual function is after an injury and traumatic brain. Injury is a big one. Could be that a client actually just wants to have a discussion about do they actually have a right to is now. You know. i've been decentralized and metalized often infantilized and actually. I'm allowed to partake of this. Everyone else but may there is no avenue so i actually landlord can i. Can i have sex ibn sexual human being. I'm what's the reaction. I mean it's therapy so there's a it's a process. How do you know that it's working So so we will know that Sexuality has a big impact on health and wellbeing and mental state of mind. And i have one client who meticulously documented. The outcomes of the session in terms of The medical benefits for him and this was to get funding for the for the cash for this For him and he documented that he could Sit up in bed for the first time in years. Five minutes that the specificity in his limbs was dramatically reduced that he had less pain and that he has. He didn't need use much medication but he needed unless physiotherapy. for example i have clients. Tell me that that they they live for this. That it's a lifesaver and it's not just about sex and meter about connection and authentic relating and intimacy. I'm what are the rules in the boundaries. You put in place to protect yourself from them becoming attached. Oh could be old. I'm vice versa. So attachments is often unavoidable. Fm if they've never been able today a woman and they've never been physically intimate with a women for a time might become in the women of the most important women in their lives of course and and in a way that pop. Chris because everybody has rights go through won't just physicality of sex sexual intimacy but the motions that are attached to that as well. And there's a thing around you know she safeguard people disability because they're vulnerable and their fragile and you know in yes among that will be off physically on another level. They have just as much right to risk. I'm to have the heartbreaking to have experience unrequited love to experience the full range of emotion that comes with relating to another human being because that's Emotional comes from so Do you discuss the beginning to discuss the possibility before you start this therapy this could happen. Yeah absolutely we discuss the beginning. We also discuss it throughout the sessions and sometimes if i think it is going to be problematic and it's going to have more detriments effect than positive one. Then i will limit the sessions to say a. What more is a therapist. And i'll say what any to do. Six sessions and then after that that's going to be the end. We would have competed. Where every is you want to explore with some plans with the hope that they will then go on and have the confidence to to then be able to date and find girlfriends and ultimately for me that would be the best outcome for other clients. They know that that's unrealistic. You know they might to fifty or sixty and they have never had to go didn't actually they don't want one but they might work with me as part of their health and wellbeing. I want some months. Yeah treat to themselves. And i'm really fine without it absolutely Fascinating talking to what's the what's the response that you get when you tell people what you do most of the public reaction reading positive. I've actually had anyone say anything. That team out what i do and that was a big concern for me about choosing to step into this work. Which wasn't an easy decision is not like one day. I kind of move Are now. I'm gonna be a sex with people disability. It was very much a a process a process you know throughout the whole hose my life. Everything i can seem down led me up his point. It almost feels like a vocation and according and people to see that i'm really happy and and And my power and for me. It feels great and people placed me. I'm reading supportive and encouraging day. What's what feels great spots it. What you enjoy my about your wack m. i liked that. I'm making a difference that i'm doing something that contributes that changes stigma that enables people to and to have quality of life. And i enjoy the challenge the problem solving the as coming and boundaries. To sexual pleasure. I think i had my own journey with them. And so i. I realized recognize how important it is to have not have shane gills around sexuality. That is really normal natural and healthy to be able to express sexuality. And if i can be a conduit all set an example or via permission slips somebody else then i feel that. In some way. I've ever come from an a Troll and challenges with my sexuality and my personal story. Beverly thank you very much for joining a woman's hour speaking so openly and honestly about what you do which just had a text in from some angles of fantastic talker. The sex therapist people with disabilities such a breath of fresh air. Thank you very much now. Gill boss has been used as a term of empowerment referring to a new generation of confidence. Take charge women who pursue their own. Entrepreneurial ambitions But since nasty gal founder sophia amoruso coined the phrase in two thousand fourteen. The concept has been derided by those who say it's been dominated by white middle class privileged women with accusations of selling hollow empowerment after female entrepreneurs left or i forced out the companies they founded so what impact has the movement had on you at all if any do you feel excluded from entirely We've had some messages in mali. Says i hate this term this is. There's absolutely no need to agenda to the phrase boss especially not girl extremely patronizing belittling. I'm a grown woman after all not a child and another message saying As a female running my company. I personally can't bear the term goal. Boss i think. His patronising and sexist boss will do me just fine while earlier. I spoke to tiger. Who akbar who's author of. We need to talk about money. And as mccown founder of darjeeling express and i started by asking a tak- what we mean by the term gill boss goblets is basically a time that refers to i guess an ambitious and successful and in a what women usually one who's make self employed in some capacity so in a rooms are in business may be created and it's time that was popularized by entrepreneur. Marie sir he wrote this kind of men wall slash career. god gobbles back in two thousand fourteen and really just to cough amongst millennial women. I do you feel. I could go bus. You worked in. Advertising decided to leave setup on your own. You're very successful woman. I wouldn't describe myself as gobbles Sensitive at ask jeeves accompanied. I don't necessarily abbott is definitely What i've had used to describe me in pots and i conducted understand. Why was the books movement full inclusive. I would say probably was increased. I mean i think it was aimed at a millennial women and certain kind of relatively affluent ones and usually white ones. Because i think a lot of a lot of the asean the way carleen country to live your life replied privileged Icons were held up scall- bosses in the media and culture. Likes sophy ameri all lookout man. He founded the weighing all know. Emily wise These all white women and often that's because The kind of Being doubles is having access to funding an investment dollars and women kinda very often unable to access now so as i take it was saying their asthma. Venture capitalists are prepared to invest. But is it because they are already privileged beautiful white women who comes through with an idea and that's why they get they get the funding to go off and become a girl boss absolutely and i'm very uncomfortable with that word because i think that the problem is that it is women taking on the persona of success in male. Tom's traditionally the whole idea of boston. Someone who's really bossing around you wouldn't normally associate with with a female. It was always you think that the bosses always a man culturally as well and then this kind of taking on labels and putting on labels on yourself. It is makes me very uncomfortable. Because i think that it definitely excludes me accented in my fifties you know i've i see myself a successful i would never call myself a girl or a boss and you know this is the problem that it is an age thing as well and it is very very white This whole idea that you know. I'm i'm going to be in this privileged position. i'm going to be the top of the of the pecking order. It is what has happened with men. All along with success was seen as about you being at the very top. And i've i've always tried to tell people who talk about you. Know just the netflix episodes that you broke the glass ceiling. You're a female all female kitchen you know. Don't want to be in a place surrounded by class. I want to bring the edifice town because when there are buildings having to break the ceiling it is a very lonely place to be. I want to see been in my lifetime surpass what i did. I want to remove the hurdles. I want that generation coming after me. Not even to see the hurdles. I hit They might say that. It's a great idea and it's about empowerment and it's about giving a younger generation not sense of go out there and you can achieve anything. The problem with being ago. Boston coming across as this kind of powerful female figure was made it. It doesn't talk about the hurdles that they may have been through. It seem so easy. I got it and you know have struggled a bit but the thing is that women of color jump through hoops and go through so much. More pain be carry the burden expectations of our culture off. You know a lot of other difficulties and no one sees. It is not an equal race between white women and women of color. When it comes to business i can. I'm a living example of that. I was never shown a place after neck lakes for a year and a half not a single landlord almost all of them. White don me. There was no suitable property for me. The first question they asked me is. Do you have a business funding. Do you have a business partner. I can't believe business partner. Yes and i can't believe it's been three decades since. I left india where everybody asks you. Who's your suitable boy. I was asked the same question here. I had to wait for men to fail for the pandemic to come for me to be shown a site that was big enough where i wanted to move. I was shown nothing for a year and a half. i take. I'm going to bring you in what you think about las miss. Saying why i smith kind of touches on one of the cool criticisms of goebbels culture which is that it. It's way of living is probably any possible if you come from a sense of background look certain way if you're white upper middle class and would it doesn't really factor in when it kind of encourages you to a to issue. These really high powered careers. Careers special In cooper wild possible if someone in which is white middle class women make use of belabor of other less-privileged women so these women who might be working in castle in nannies housekeepers cleanest These often life. Paid precarious and often very racialist roles. So how does a cleaner who is on zero house contract. Lean in an advocate for more. It's more likely that she'd probably be fired in heaven especially getting a payroll so i think that is one of the cool criticism. doesn't factor in the experiences of women of color. What was your own experience because he set out on your own. Yeah nicer out. Because i thought we watch last left advertising as a young black woman. And you know this is why i kind of do have some i guess understanding goebbels culture because this was Twenty fifteen twenty sixteen right became self employed and in. My twenties becoming self-employed isn't something that i really saw was central creep often. It's not something that i would have entertained but with the rise of goebbels culture whether it's a real emphasis in self employment and how you can make it work that i think did kind of mine is to a need possibility in so keen. Throw the ball. I mean it's bitcoin. Aides say be your boss. I am now in boston of the reason. I felt able to make that leap with observing these examples and observe him these stories. These nazis in these paschal resources. But i obviously still have to till with I guess marginalization nation. It doesn't feel as pointed as it did when i was lacking advertising. What was that experience like terrible. I had to deal with. Vat royston Sidelined ad agencies in general pretty high raccoon quite toxic places iran article for the guardian a couple of months ago. Wear kind of a cool out in social media and also people disad stories of toxic creative wet environments and i was actually inundated. I had hundreds and hundreds of responses. So much i had to take the cool app down because i just couldn't deal with the volume of and pretty much every story that i had especially from people who liked me you either passive kyle fuller younger female. It had retired experiences interesting. That talking about this on a day two days after it was announced that cheryl cole's doing the podcast. The podcast on bbc sounds and the backlash to that sound because once again not a black woman apparently nobody. Maybe no one was asked. Maybe what was available. I wonder we will always one curious choice. Because she's not in our being and he can. We have such a wealth of amazing black british rb singers. Jimmy have shot a we. Have beverly neither all these incredible women who have a real connection that music into that culture who the bbc co. But they chose john. Mccall said this girl boss phrase then is utterly meaningless if you're a woman of color because it's just about white privilege. I think it's entirely about white privilege. I mean i think this is kind of what i'm saying i d- try and take quite look at it. And i think the elements of it which saw encouraging her ambition newsom encouraging to think about coughing careers outside of the traditional web play structures. I found that released one. I think of women diesel. On when i think a lot of women of color black nice. Speak to still find examples. Police i think where comes. Programmatic is the fact that a lot of the examples and the you know the kind of templates offered about has achieved are annually applicable to send sucks women and then that kind of makes you feel failing investments in my business like well as Women the odds are very upset against you. So that needs to be more of a conversation than that culture of the challenges Women better idea. Kind of gobbles cultures and macular degeneration kind of reaching and anyway yes reaching its end yes. It is another thing that you know there are. There are not enough women of color who have achieved success two different pathways and this whole idea of having a godfather a mentor and being connected. You know and it's very hard when you're an immigrant when you're not born in this country you're older you haven't got the networks of actually having gone through schooling and college you don't it's even harder so for me. This was a thing that i i've worked very hard on. I'm trying to work when trying to support immigrant women who've come in hooping in this country for a while but there's a huge disconnect because they don't have an anchor so they don't know where to begin under things. I've always described hospitality. Which is my industry. As an old boys club mayfair members on the old boys club. You can come in but you do not belong and you know despite everything that has happened in my life. I am pretty much on the fringe of hospitality. Even after your amazing netflix documentary. A-list does comey in your restaurant. We all love you. We know who you are. Even then you still feel on the fringes. Yes i do because you walk into a room and you know you sense that feeling that you stand out. It's not just the color of my skin. So this is a double-whammy you know so being female being older being asian In an industry where there are so few of us around the that'd be sauce with spread so thin makes it very hard for us to actually be visible. You need to be seen when. I wanted to open a restaurant. You didn't see anyone like me. You know that was mother. Joffrey offer that there was nobody you see women on media on food media you hill. Says you didn't hear accented voices talking about food. People who are talking about food for mainly white people could travelling to india and talking about the stories they made us look like you know exotic colorful people. You know all singing dancing. This was not what my culture is and this is not what my food is. And if we're not seeing if you're not seen and then you do want to get investment feel business or a new property to set your restaurants in. Nobody believes that it's it's viable and is one of the reasons why i feel victorious. Now that you know this is the legacy that i will at least have that you know if you are not invited to the table. Pull a chair up and sit down. You have a right to be everywhere value. Want to be a feel like you argh elbows. I i never put labels on myself. I never do. I never do. I think i will decide who i want to be at any given time is also a huge responsibility. You know which anyone who's been successful. You need to to look at your own community. The girls coming after you. You need to clear that pathways for them to encourage so that you don't you don't also occupy all the space because there's also this thing of of ticking. The box that let's get rain and you know. She qualifies for everything. Let's put on the panel. I never gonna pan over. I'm the only female have we. Is this compensation moving on. We moved away from the gill bus movement. Is it time that we start talking about. And taking on board other people's experiences of life and their identity their race their gender their sexuality and is all happening now. Because we've lived through the damage on this. We're now black. Lives matter happened me to happen. So it's in a completely different world now on the conversation has moved on. I think we're in a completely different world. I think there is still united huge amount. What's be dominant thing. The good thing. I guess about the bat last maximum movement in meeting recent yance uneven. I guess with the democrat Disastrous is that it has. I guess i can. Love is to level of inequality whether it's racial gender and opened Experience of being that. Say a woman who pests Place progress has been made making understandings high. But i think we can't get in. I also sometimes questioned the will of people to make some changes. I think that is as important as than having an understanding of the needs to make changes as to successful women of color who have a platform who are now. On woman's hour there may be some young women listening who wants to go out there and start a career or chief something who might be feeling a little bit disheartened. Having heard some of this. What can you say to them. I think it's just to kind of satisfaction that when you do you're kind of upset wins incentive triumphs. It really does kind of make a weapon. That's that's what i found. I think united was my views is being. Self employed with toughened. Wouldn't necessarily A snake viable career and discount. Haven't come out the other side of that and contacting I wouldn't go back to what i was doing before. It will definitely feels while fits. Hopefully that can provide an income. What's it gonna take to change the situation so that people have field that they'd have to fight as hard as they do. I think it's very important that you know we build alliances that you actually. It has to be a movement you know like a bit empathetic men. This is not about us anthem. You know and i'm very uncomfortable. Uncomfortable old ways. But you know white feminists because i think that they don't get me and they don't get a lot of know especially being muslim. That complicates things as well. And i think that you know. We need to build bridges with people who are like minded read our stories. You know listen to things like this and be should not see this just as you know. I need to be successful and seed in very personal terms. I think we need to see and much bigger terms that actually bit changing culture shaking the earth generally and that is what we should be doing. A great phrase shaking the earth gently Well we did mention. The bbc sounds Cheryl cole rb series. That i'm the bbc have given us a statement saying we feature a wide range of voices spanning different genres Across our extensive music output many of our shows affronted by dj's who are experts in their fields others are hosted by people with passion for that topic. Cheryl's you mean are ambitious personal stories from her youth soundtracks by her favorite genre. If you'd like to comment on anything you're listening to today or in any of our programs can text us eight four eight four four now on wednesday this week. We caught up with some of the women. Walking from cardiff to the rif base in bulk commemorate forty years since greenham. Common women's peace camp was set up to protest the citing of us nuclear missiles on british soil. They actually arrived at the base on this day. In nine hundred eighty one on the women we spoke to on wednesday should be arriving today to hopefully without too many blisters. No doubt there have been signs and banners made for the latest walk. But we thought it'd be great talk about some of those made for that original protest charlotte you is the author of women for peace banners from greenham common and. She joins me now in the studio. Charlotte it's so lovely to have you here. And why did women make these banners say they made these banners for white number of reasons but principally they wanted t stop initially the citing of the cruise missiles at greenham and mows worth which were both raf basis. So that decision was made by the government in seventy nine and then There was a period of three years before they were actually located there in eighty two. They campaigning. Because they felt that. I'm that children wouldn't have a future if it was a neat killer future and also they wanted to be part of the debate on what the government Doing with military spending. So they marched. They might look. Did they do the set out with banners did they did they were they prepare head when they set out. Just had one banner. It was made from pink sheet in the garden of one of the people. He founded the walk. And i think gathered momentum along the route they they made more banners one in particular. Ah was made by a key. Man about america talia campbell and again it was from a white sheet so very Imprompt chief without pens and a number of teenage girls and they used garden canes cold it up which still had the earth on those very immediate. What did it say. So it showed the route of the march and it said women's action for disarmament. We actually have a little clip on from our women's archive back in two thousand. And it's actually talia campbell. Who's talking about her memories of making banner man blockaded right again it was late summer and it was rather lovely weather really hot weather and it was a long way. We walked one hundred and twenty five. In ten days we had a gaggle of women with pushchairs and half a dozen men because we were holding up the traffic and the police were supervising us that map out there in the hall with the route and felt pens and on the sheet with being sticks for somebody's garden very ad hoc affair. The information at the back made those who are sympathetic. Trust more patient and possibly also those who are unsympathetic possibly more hostile outdoor us holly campbell talking there about. Why she she made a. She made several of them didn't she but the press became very interested in the in this march. Very early on didn't they. They did not necessarily in the way that the women wanted them to say they were really keen to engage an intellectual debate around the nuclear future that citing the weapons in this country had. They couldn't do that. The international press would talk to them but the gutter press for much more interested in taking photos that the goal skirts. They came across the bridge in bristol. We were ups getting them but it was a very hot summer. Wasn't i said so. Oh my goodness me so That was really. I tell you. I think one of the key motivations for wanting t- make banners Many many women made banish that. That would've been an thousands of them over the nineteen years that the Camp peace count. Was it green But you get a mix of different types of binding makers so you get the artists bonamico. Anamika tyler is one and katrina. House is another and then you get women. He will not skilled crossed people but were motivated to support the cause and they they would make banners ten and this is something quite emotional about the amounts of work gone into some of these banners. If you google them. Like i did last night and have a look at just how intricate the work is in the. Did they work on them. Collectively so a lot of pundits what made collectively particularly by peace groups say they would come together apiece creep on a commonly represented the name of the tylenol city. They came from Had visualizations of what was particular about that company had the see. Andy symbol on it. The women often added Across at the bottom to make into a women this symbol so it was a cnd. Simple with a twist and author talia towards workshops with groups of women she. She traveled around two and villages and towns particularly does where she was from and they'd make collective often. They were made up of squares each made by a woman. They came together to form larger bina. And did they reference spanners made by women in the past. They certainly did. They looked to suffrage banners in particular. And you can see that. In a number of ways they look to the colors of the suffrage movement so the women's social and political union. The colors were purple green and whites that you have dignity hope and purity and you see those colors often incorporated. There's a particular banner could remembrance is not enough which is about wanting you know it's not good enough to have made poppies to remember what we want to stop war. And and they you had puppies of the wsbiu colors You've got another fantastic banner which is Coercion is not government. That's a quote from sylvia. Pankhurst ends my saying then or now so That banner is edged with the colors of the national union of women's suffrage societies. So they were absolutely inspired by the suffragettes but also the women's liberation movement that preceded them in the seventeenth and all sorts of slogans written on them. One that stood out for me was That huge banner. Here it says dear margaret's here's your christmas check. Don't spend all bombs for the children. Love mother absolutely said they weren't scared of being amusing as well as being pointed in that comments. And i think that's how you often capture people's attention Tally always said the banner should have a whisper under shout. So you've got the big message and then you've got smaller messages underneath that absolutely fascinating. Thank you so much for joining me to talk to me about Charlotte is the author of women for peace banners from greenham common. Lots of you getting in touch various things we've talked about in the show today. Helen says i have to say that as a business woman with a long. Hr career find the time gearbox really horrible. It feels patronizing as if running your own business. Being an entrepreneur working somehow surprise thousands of his just getting on with and doing a good job. I certainly feel like a person under woman but not a girl and james says i work with people. With acquired brain injuries and complex disability sex is a basic human need and for many they need support to understand positioning experiment with aids and uptake monitoring equipment etc. but this is not available We badly need the services of this lady. Thank you for addressing this. That's it for me. Join us from a woman's hour. We woman's hour tomorrow have a lovely weekend.

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"The pain out. We don't usually start with any kind of ood. Yeah quite that dewey but that was then. This is now listen. It's a bit different isn't it was supposed to be shy of Walking in the same place too many times. It's a kind of Unwritten rule that that i should never have written if you get my drift and substantive grandma but Today i'm back fertile. Walking on the disused once usafa base for american cruise missiles greenham common and we taught on a show. And that's the reason for the for the noise just a moment ago and the sounds of protesters' at this This airbase which would have been a couple of decades ago. Now moore actually. yeah more. The last protesters left probably a couple of decades ago. But we talked about the fact that the that was and wasn't nudge nudge. A nuclear accident. Here where we're a parked plane. It's not so far away from well naturally standing right now. We're apart plane which was fueled and and just waiting with a one point one megaton nuclear bomb in its pocket was hit by jetsons seventeen hundred gallon fuel tank. Everyone said nothing happened. No there's nothing to see here. And they said that for twenty seven years. Even the british government said that the reality was that The accident to lives and sixteen hours of fighting over a million gallons of water to douse when all along that said Not even so much as a spark what the truth get in the way of a good story so yes on back walking. What was europe's longest runway and they're the shadow of missile silos. That i once managed to get into for a spot of earlier bex although i wouldn't have known what it was cooled back then in two thousand one without being two thousand four something like that but no it's no longer an airbase. I'm able to to walk along. These paul's without fear of somebody stopping me and And doing something unimaginable in the name of secrets and there are no longer thousands of protesters lining the perimeter now being returned to we'll common land grass and bracken and just trees that have wrapped themselves around remnants of old runway buildings little shelters and sometimes you get the fire hydrant sticking out so the the ground. Let's that doing here in the middle of a bramble so yeah it's been reclaimed back and now return to common land. Where yummy mummies will six hundred quid. Three willed baby jogging strollers around and there are hundreds of radioactive cows who can see it in their eyes smithers and lots and lots of insects that have grown extra legs and wings and go by the name of rodney follow but a history to wairoa. Today there were once ninety-six missiles stationed here. I used to think enough power to to take the world house but turns out from research. No doubt has now alerted the authorities to keep a check on my computer from this day forward. That's when i enter the question. How many nukes do you need to to buy. Destroy the planet. It actually would take forty six thousand eight hundred of them a might more than ninety six. So yes i think that should help me rest a little bit easier night along with a two tumblers brandy anyway. We walking out with our cameras today. Just you and i together. And we have a guest along later on an ambassador for the fujifilm brand from belgium. Who kevin to on the podcast. Before but i wanted to invite. I wanted to invite bird. Stefani on here because i wanted to talk to him about some well. One topic really leaving full-time photography. Donald suit and become part of civvy street so today really life after being crow photographs as a passion. No longer a job. Today on the photo walk i lost. My passion for photography became just work. I knew it though still brushing their felt it but it just didn't find a way out you know what i wanna be. You asked me. What kind of photographer do you want to be. Actually want to be a professional amateur. Just make a living. Doing what i love and i think that that often gets lost a bit if you do it mom enough. And if you're in a difficult industry today then bird stefani professional a much respected belgium photographer. Storyteller filmmaker has hung up his cameras professionally. Another photographers recently. Said enough already. Why and what will he do. As an amateur now we talk brick walls in the interview later on. And what happens when you arrive at them. So yes here we are. It's the photo walk. The weekend is tapping on our shoulders and with photo walking once again together. It's the only show in the pocus fare like it your letters and dm's and facebook messages. They drive the show and then of course we have a special guest to. What's on the show today. Well i shall tell you in a moment first of all my hat off to the amazing people. Mp dot com have been supporting the show for quite a while. Now they're the number one people buying and selling and trading us camera gear in the us the uk in europe. And i use them. They have warehouses brooklyn bryson and berlin and in the next month. I making a trip to one of those. It'll be brighton in these times. Brooklyn berlin later. I to record some interviews with some special guests from that part of the well price thaddeus now and i'll be dropping into mpp and talking with the founder. Matt balka. as. I want to know more about the circular economy of cameras. And why over a quarter million creatives in the uk europe and us trust 'em pba dot com for their kid needs so on the show. Today we talk about legacy. Apparently it's a word. I use a lot for good reason. Boys there's some feedback from a photographer about the remember my baby episode of talk who wants to share his experience of making these moving pictures. What is the first thing you take a picture of when you have a new camera. There are some super big talk about that. You've sent ten including a really strong three six five since that feature has now launched. We talk macro remind you about some outdoor exhibitions including one very special in london. Now that's on the side of a really tall playstation. And i opened the borders to our new imaginary country called photograph. You very much invited to be a passport holder. Special inspirational moments. Today from american bill hicks about life in fifty s and sixty suburbia. Did they really rake their carpets street. Photographer nick turpin shares. his favorite. All time streep picture from another american legend and our guest today is you know his birds. Funny the belgian storytelling photographer. Who surprised many when he announced that he was stopping as a professional photographer and reigniting his passion. As an amateur showy we walk then coffee and garibaldi is packed. check boots on. Check long socks or leggings to avoid the nasties in the undergrowth check. Spare batteries check cards or film. Check ear buds in check lens. caps off. Check will your organized. Let's walk is something i never used to think about. Making these walks i It's crossed my mind at a couple of times but not really so much that i feel better pat the long socks but some i was listening to a phone in the other day which wasn't a tool about lyme's disease but lyme's disease was mentioned. It was We'll wait what russell left you as these decisions for me. What do you think. Oh right straights home. That's a new one on me. Yeah i hadn't really thought about this. But there was An athlete on talking about how he'd really suffered from From lyme's disease the cool to know got from a ticket. I suppose sa- correct way you say from from a tick in richmond park of all places. Yeah richmond park. Pulse richmond park. Come possibly have ticks in. But they did and Is made the last few years really difficult for him. So yeah aware. I'm on common land. What cattle roam freely. I thought long socks today. Not that i was going to turn up in flip flops and swimming costume. Obviously pete bait for kicks us off this week. And i certainly see a listener. Glint here i think. Legacy nail legacy. I think it's your favorite word. If i had a penny for all the times you say the word legacy out of enough for a year supply of garibaldi but in all seriousness is something i've been thinking more and more about as my once single digit family head into their first and final years of university degrees. Where did all those years go. I know i feel like that. As we waived. Our youngest often too big schools. We talked about last week. Well it started says peop- with an olympus camera no lcd. Of course has moved onto become a sony with more menu options in a a small craft. I should know says. Pete i fly one so keep up the good work and i'll be listening with my abacus for the mention of the l word. You're a pilot tie all you are you. A pro pilot is the way i was reading. Your mail made it sound like you possibly are in which case you the. If you're if you're interested in photography which i would imagine you probably listening to this podcast. It's a absolutely perfect for you. Isn't it lighter. Craft camera loads are stories. Pete i expect to see lots of pictures from you by next week. Please in my in try and pay get ready to to audio. Garibaldi is because the second mile is gonna make you loads of bunny a very good friend of the show andrew hardacre roadster a lovely unprompted. I might add piece about the show in our facebook group but What i'm about to read this. This isn't that i'm I'm thought to english to be reading too much Adulated praise remember as englishman was supposed to be humble in of anything more than a as a glancing reference of gratitude. Bit being english also means. Of course i keep my my socks on during last more intimate moments. But don't tell anybody so this smell this one. I want to read as being hanging around a little while. Now just ripening as Alexa some of the some of the letters. Some of the messages that you send in. They seem to. They seem to ripen. One day i get to them. I think oh so for that letter now. Definitely so It's time for this one now and it may seem a little melancholic in places but is a perfect example of a creative in thinking mode thinking about standby elway coming up. We'll legacy for mandra hardacre aka a ha on on social greetings nail on bold work and i'm writing some notes following the script. You sent out in patron. Oh yes i send out the If that doesn't make sense. I send out the show scripts in patron that. I do my diary piece on the saturdays. I send out as a as a script. He's actually i think is going to form an e book nail. Andy book really unusual. Well i don't know there's some things that we talk about that that Yeah i think would sit well in that format so The patrons who they're getting it early say We must have been talking about legacy because andrew responded to something i said which was all all about the the l. whilst that we up to three or four now. Are we counting for pete. I said on the show. I am quite the fan of photographing legacy record in history remembering our elders. Maybe because i'm close announced that than i am to my late teens and early twenties. That's what i wrote. An andrew back. Do wonder whether this is Reason why older photographer's light to recall things that they fear might be lost a concern for things vulnerable to change or disappearance after. We've shuffled off this mortal coil. Perhaps we feel that even if we are not around in the world though they'll still be continuity throughout pictures. yeah. I think that's probably i think. Hit the nail on the head. That's exactly why i'm constantly worrying says andrea about what happens to my stuff. My thousands of books like cameras lenses. No doubt as well. I would imagine we you. Pictures film and digital andrew. Does anybody carry says i additions. Collectible sentimental value volumes. Where will they end up with. Ab sold to a rogue dealer for pittance once he says. I bought Very rare book on dragonflies from pal for five hundred pound cash as he was financially embarrassed for a short time. I'd like to go back to him. One day free. Of course but somebody has to know what it is and why. It's worth so much of so many things i want to do. I've this flash of inspiration. A moment of determination to to aggressor a photo project to change myself. I was later. The flashes burned out. My body tells me it's todd. My mind is too easily distracted anyway. So few things get started. Let alone finished a books get halfway through a rights and dope finish the peace so i find everything plateaus for long periods. Then suddenly i climb the stick ice again. Small flashes of insight. If i can hold onto them they moved me up a step sometimes. Taking of a photograph sometimes in the processing flash photography drives me. Crazy are admit looking for the perfect diffuser but slowly. I'm understanding how to get more out of light room. And i have to say. Photography daily directs me to sources of insight and inspiration. I probably would not have otherwise found. It also leads me into the temptation as i lost after monochrome camera. Sorry about that will be good. Best regards andrew. You know that was more. Andrew had written much much more. And i've i've kept it as i think one day Some some of the really long so well written everything's well written but So well written long-considered mouse from photographers will will make a wonderful addition to that To that e book. But i think drama ryan thinking that you've actually bought that monochrome pretty show you have now have any or my My going totally go go now. Probably the latter But i i don't know whether you remember but we started last week by playing one of our fatal walk inspirational clips from and on about Photographer care amuse amazing house clearance where she found a whole load of photon belong to a photographer who who'd finally moved has should we say this had finally moved out of the fix trae And and that was all about legacy andrews. Words here are are are about the importance soft to legacy. And i'm reminded of the importance of legacy. Cool how how. Much is p collecting now by something else. So over the weekend. That i'm gonna talk about in Tomorrow's dari dari piece on the the more episode. I went We went from a youngest on last sunday to a heritage railway and we met this man in a truck. I'll say a little bit about it. He was He was selling memorabilia. Railway memorabilia the collected it for the charity and then how young thomas spent Wa i mean it was a good hour looking through the slides. Photographers who've now past maids and He started his own collection off the back of this. I mean these. These slides would have been made in the seventies eighties I didn't i didn't date them. Some of them look really really aldo. Some credibly fadi ones in there as well. The but the image is given to the charity and now part of our youngest collection. So thomas taken them on and he said can i collect railway. Slice of cushy can music to my ears when he starts talking about collecting photography things. Would you like to like as well son. He's a catalog so Yeah anyway. I'm going to talk more about that tomorrow. In the nausea was a. It was wonderful because thomas had never seen slides in his life. Had no idea what these things were just. He just saw them. They were in a in a box and he picked one house and held up almost instinctively against the lights and said train and then I explain what a what a slide was so anyway. That's for tomorrow's show. Shall we do a unashamed more here. We go standby legacy mentioned number. Seven or eight should more unashamed legacy. I want to play something from Episode thirty eight where. I spoke to the legendary. Bill wins the photographer behind suburbia the incredible photo book of life that studied the people starting out in In the houses of well he was. The american dream was as wonderful estates that that sort of backs onto mountains really wide roads perfectly manicured lawns and The suburbia book suburbia the fifties and sixties and the suburbia. Book that That bill ins made is still available. I looked it up this plenty of opportunity to buy this. This book still. It's not too expensive. And it is the perfect encapsulation all set for the last time. This time. Round of the word legacy his bill Lamenting the fact that he didn't keep something he'd been given some hardware that had been given a special a special guard and rake the people in those days Used on the the carpets in the and their suburbian houses but But also bill has a lesson here. I think for for story makers who may say oh. It's a bit tough finding funding everything on need to tell my photo stories. There's a lesson coming up here as well. Somebody gave me one of those rakes. Since i don't. I don't know why didn't keep that rate. That's what they did. They would rake their carpet in those ace. But i mean the tupper weather certain symbols of our society that i wanted and like the boy scouts and tupperware certain words. And things that you know. You're going to look for. And i would look and look and look and talk to people and until i could find that tupperware party pump could be easier today. 'cause you just google tupperware salespeople local and there'd be the person's name and phone number you call them up and sell. We're donors party tomorrow. Might day resist telephone. Things moved at a different pace today. I want tied everything a lot easier. Incredible bill owens water privilege to to to Complete legend in In photography bill instance suburbia is Is definitely a book fuel collection. It really is I want to talk about a show that seemed to move A lot of focus moments Then also let's take a letter about making your your first pitch with a new camera so as difficult. Isn't it thinking well. I'm coming new camera. Here what shall i. What should i make a picture of my good friend. Mullins reprobate may mullins. He always makes pages of his family. Always always either his daughter or son or wife. Although the last time both a camera what was the last one he bought was that set the x t for the fujifilm x four. Who was that the ex pro three. I can't remember which one it was but one of them. Maybe it was a gif x. Anyway what one of the he bought. He didn't take a picture of the kids his wife no. He took a picture of the house that they have the whole school star anyway. We'll talk about that in an until october. Thirty twenty twenty one I'm personally proud to partner. Photographic outdoor exhibition. In the south of england is photo swindon will only have a few more mentions because it closes on the third of taber and the incredible senate. Davila is Is the finale really. And these are all presented as outdoor exhibitions. And i have another outdoor exhibition to remind you of later on the show today and Yeah so if you go to at photo swindon which is handily on twitter facebook or instagram. You'll see news and behind the scenes pages even if you live outside the uk. You can still join in and see what's happening. Here's a message into the show from martin. Pendry who sent in. He's thoughts following episode two five seven which was only last week and we titled it ever if a Tear escapes it. Shows you human. That was the that was the title. Long montage was a. I know beginning is. I'm starting to sort of sometimes pick up. What somebody has said within a show and using that as a sort of a soundbite title. I've never really had a very good policy for titling. You would have thought that. I would have come up with a concept that but i haven't i kind of don't surround a bit. It's a bit free flow free form on that one part at mind anyway. We did talk about it last week. that particular show but in case you missed it Nikki happens still co-founder of remember. My baby join me on a wednesday special edition talking about the photographic charity that Well they provide free pitches dependents of of children who who sadly died before or during or after their birth and it was a really moving account from nikki. It really was because nikki has has gone through self. it's a personal experience. And one of the reasons why she. She co founded this This chelsea to help parents in similar positions but this is quite important really it was also i think equally was a call to action that particular show as nikki said they want to be able to offer this to to every single parent Who suffers this loss in the uk. And right now. They need more photographers. So even though it wasn't really positioned as an as an appeal was certainly a ton of conversation that said Help and nikki now is oh so connolly joined us see. These are the people that to hang out with the patriots area. Nikki's recently joined and It was an absolute joy to see nikki in our in our regular. Start the month Zoom session was a bit quieter this month because managed to position on On on a bank holiday in america future ones are going to be happening on. tuesday On tuesdays i teased in the month. Service good to see nikki in there and We had we had a bit more of a conversation about that program but the show certainly drew some Some manson this actually came from martin. Pendry he said I'm one of the volunteer photographers. Nikki spoke about. I'm a gay man in my mid fifties. So i learned about death when i was young as many of my friends died from hiv. I'm not a photographer who would normally take photographs of babies and children. I would describe us off as a street photographer I'm a skilled enthusiast. As as nikki described it now done go onto number shoots for our mb. Remember my baby. If you're thinking about volunteering he says please do. Nikki is right is not tragedy. We are there to carry out shoot on. It's a an absolute privilege to meet a family in need such a special time. There's a great network of support for seoul in the first session is not as bad or i. Suppose i'm paraphrasing here. Notice daunting as you might think the The midwives and nurses a greater helping to set up shorts to now martin in Also pointed out his kiss for this job. No we don't often Right in the middle of the woods here. Sorry mont in bear with me. What have we got we got. So i wanna get you know what i'm like us. Stop sometimes to get a patron. It's a it's a very sunny day. And i've just got these wonderful contrast and backlit leaves here. Let me get a shot. Bear with me a second coming back to you. Very important message. Let me So we're all we all peaked. Early neal shot us below. I've gone utah density filter on four five shutter speed to twenty one sixty. And i'm just a moving body just a little bit too because the sun goes behind the branch and i wanted to flare out one side blessed rocking gently. You can do that. Has that worked. Well we'll know when we get back near. You can see the back of the screen. I know but still sometimes when you get back and look the largest green you see you see but ultimately going to see more on t. So yes so. As as martin said were there to carry out shoots and it's a privilege to meet a family in need at such a special time Now martin pointed out that kate list. And i thought although we don't usually talk about key this is one of those moments i won't too so you know you can understand exactly want what he takes in. What's important for the job. Because i didn't want people to go away from that show. I think you're going to have to go into hospital with all this at least flashes all these oldest paraphernalia. No in fact the the lighter you can travel the better Uses an x four with the eighteen to fifty five. Which is the kit lens has a a go. Docs flash. when there's a very poor light and he uses a lens baby till shift Lens for shoots Some people he says will bring more. Kim but i use public transport so have to travel light. You know i keep hearing about this This lens baby tilt shift is Is quite a bit of kit. Actually cools tilt shift on doable budget. Isn't it thank you martin and you can If you want to and having her martin has to to say there and also What you will have heard on the this show and seen in the comments following the show. You can contact. Nikki happens tool through the charity and lincoln the show page today. And if you're outside the uk and we'll plenty of you're we know that there are challenges organizations like this around the world so So at ease worth looking up if you want you know. There's something i i can I can make a difference some something that i can do. That makes a difference. We talk about making a difference in my my guest later on in the show today. Now let's have less of a male with pictures from maritz henning Quick reminder do send your pictures in. That's what feels this show. Send them to the email address studio at photography. Daily dot show. That's the email address beautiful around. I'm in the middle of the woods. I can't imagine all this beauty was positioned around the most hideous of weaponry and Maria's henning high neil. i've been listening to your show for month now. I find it inspiring and super listen to. I'm an africans speaking south african citizen english second language so It'd be treating this marriage. Is you language language reference. And now i dropped some of my vows from time. Itami view the pardon. The expression love hearing says. Mary's good english spoken a. Let's not forget that radio voice. No video like listening to an old time radio. Show you calling me old I i enjoy imagining the the gate being opens where we had a gate today. Didn't we the grass the bugs. The helicopter took about the box. The helicopters mary they were really no seven three seven airbus a three to one or whatever that is going overhead of the can you hear it. It's like twitter there as well in the background. Yeah slight rustling of trees. It's all real happening around me. I wish sometimes it was a bit louder. Not the aeroplanes. But the other stuff but so yeah there will real the only thing i hate of your show says marras wondering now whether to. I'm hearing out the other end of this letter. Dare i read on is the fact that You have a food g x one hundred and you use new photo walk wolf. Is that the any trouble i mean. Okay what is the shutter sounded you use on your on. Your camera reasonably asking is now. It comes my story. Since the x one hundred was released nine years ago. I think question ten. It's ten years ted. Well we got ten. The ten year anniversary next year the x. here is having is ten years last year for the for the x one hundred I think have the very first one that landed in the uk. Mullins of course will tell you that he did. I think it was me. I wanted one says marriage. But i couldn't afford one nine years later now. I know i will pass cameras. Local cameras store. What do i see in the window. Wait for it Fuji x one hundred f. Not quite the vaber pool prices. Okay still expensive. According to my wallet. I decided there I'm buying it now. The proud of an x one hundred which is fantastic camera. I really lamented setting bond. I was without next one hundred four about well. It was earlier. This yeah. I didn't have it for quite a while over the winter period when i was using just my ex probably one i will go to using the expert one probably more in the winter again but Yeah really yeah lamented selling. That and it wasn't long six months six months. Five months. I didn't i i managed to I managed to get myself an x one hundred v. Snuck it back into the house new camera. No i don't think just clearing up the boxes targeting them out giving them a polish So yes so. He says now the proud owner of an x one hundred f. An i love it go the secondhand brown food leather case for it. So my words. Mashi turn into the original hipster but This is special. It really is because marya supplied us with his first two images and then one of him as well so you can see the hips to look in full effect. These will be on the show pace today so all the pictures that we talk about and some links and and stuff. They'll they'll all be on the show page which i do hope you follow through to by clicking onto the link which is within the app just that link that says show notes take it through so here are the first of my two images taken there in the zone rosebank south africa and then one of me so vain with my ex one hundred. F- well do you know what though is nice to know what you look like. So i appreciate that no problem at all but noisy taught about noise and the noise from the cameras. I think it's just the standard setting. But i've got it signed up over the way i was talking about this with me. Rep reprobate from mullins. The other day on the fuji cast we were talking about. It's kind of last week and a bit more so rolled into the early part of this week as well. We talked about that sort of that idea of pressing about nine. Feeling that you're you're taking. Oh making whatever you use in your vocabulary. Picture has been quite special like plus. Of course it being a being a cost Allow you to hear when the pitches being made when we when we make them so on the show today but stafani today. We're talking with him. He swapped his full-time pro status as a photographer with working in government. And it's a it's a real step change and he's going to share. Why well photography meant then and what it means to him. Now and the and the passion that just seems to have accelerated for the art since perhaps Laying down the dollars if you like. But we'll taught very much on the level we cover some how. There's some real home truths today. it's a it's an honest chat for sure. This is the kind of thing coming up when i think that technology has called up with skilled right away so while i started as a craftsman knowing really well what i was doing and finding solutions for difficult circumstances a lot of that is gone and we have to be honest about that and so the only thing we have left us photographers is our i our vision. If i'm competing with a twenty year old with an iphone. He's always going to be cheaper than i am. So i cannot compete with that so i can only bring my vision to the table so i had to recalibrate my outlook on things a little bit and do the kind of photography that i want to be doing. Which is it doesn't really depend on on the the niche that i'm working in can be reputation chemic- portrait which are my two main things that i do can be commercial but to me. It's important that i can have my own vision to it. Because that's the only thing that can bring to the table. That's the only thing any of us can bring to the table. Yes there's still a bit of skill involved. And i can still make the difference between myself and someone who's just starting out but that gap is narrowing so fast so to meet has to be about can make authentic work can make work that proud of to put my name in the by line and i realized that i was not doing that. For maybe eighty percent of the work. That i was doing burster funny. Do you know. I could listen to bert. Old a whole hang on all day long. Come back to burton. what's this so. Can you hear this a condo down. The quota sort of a drop of concrete here on earth was this. This is the thing about it being so this used military add by somebody. We all surrounded by trees. It's i mean. I could be a really mature. What feels like a here. But then this kind of drainage system in the middle of nowhere we just get a patriot. Hold on i want nearby neutral density filter on him on the x one hundred f. I think that's become obvious now. Well just in case. And i'll take a neutral density filter off still shooting reasonably shallow f four point five shutter speed one hundred and says to fifty and just peeking through the undergrowth. Here's just these. He can probably just about here. It sure if that was obvious pursue water draining through this wooded area here where this ferry mysterious manhole cover here. No manhole cover the balls. Looks like it could be across a well but where does that. Go on a postcard fabulous. What's supposed to be in this bed hundred. Seen anybody fr- ages is so unusual is way come across anybody to lynn. There was some steps leading nowhere. As well the plot thickens burst the phone. Yes on just a moment ago the that you had. He's going to be back because on mango yesterday. Out belgians so calming aren't they and then you end up. Birth is a dutch speaking belgian. And he he probably heard that Lilt there didn't he is he. Does he belgian. he's a he's speaking belgian and there's has maximum com isn't that had inhabited wherever i've flown in in in the world. If the if the captain are flown cut a few airlines and if it captain turns out to be dutch honestly. i'm instantly at ease with flight and the world. It doesn't matter what he says he says we're gonna have at most full flight with two is going to send you flying around the cabin luck pinball. I i'd stay as long as he said it with. A dutch lilt are be absolutely fine. There's another pitcher here. Actually backlit tree one of the wonderful things about photographing in the summer is this is sort of extremities of light isn't have you shutter speed six eighty s moved up a bit f- four five. I still on one sixty here and another one for the Probably another one for the scrapbook. But i was put my house. Put my images on the show page as well so you can see where we've Where we've been working together on the on this vice walk. Thank you to all those that have sent in. Hell going up the steep steep bit now. She'll we shouldn't have steep. it's where they used to be real. Nice what's this all about. Oh that's because something's underneath email. Who really want for those that are sent in the patriots for the three six five features brand near the community. Three six five and Thank you thank you. Thank you and one more. Thank you whore and a ps. Thank you to those that have been sending them in the whole purpose behind it leave you go to the page on the website photography daily dot show. It'll tell you why we're doing a a three six five and I just thought it would be nice to have a community thing that we can join him with and especially for those that that that really is steep who especially for those that Of always thought. I've thought at some stage on like two three six five not sure i can be bothered with Doing it every single day. This is the this is an opportunity to get involved in three six five without having to do it. Every single day and If made the pictures a day or two before fantastic. If you haven't and they're just pitches you want to share because you think oh. I think this one's good for a bit of a story and some inspiration just as good and we had some pages sort of fully full of their lines and you don't have to ride lots of stuff with it either. Some people Well mostly so far have written something about their images. That's quite nice because it adds a layer of of context and there was one from morris webster at the start of the weight. That cool my i in terms of the mood of of many nations. It was a it was a picture of a shopkeeper outside the door to his his store morrison. She tells it better so she'll probably read his words. This was taken. He says in late. June the week. When non-essential shops were allowed to reopen following. The first locked down so this is a uk picture. Having walked along the seafront in brighton. For a for a bit of much-needed outdoor therapy. I was walking back to the car apart. When i noticed this seem. So you'll see this picture If you go to the three six five or go to the The show patriots. One go to three six five featuring look back at. Was it monday. Pretty short was monday's one What struck me says was the the emptiness of the usually crowded streets around the lanes. The famous lanes of brighton is so small lanes with show lined with shops. Then notice the shona standing in the doorway and felt his expression seem to reflect the uncertainty. The pandemic had instilled in sola quickly shot a few frames and returning to the computer. I felt that this one photo represented the mood created by the pandemic appreciate. It's not stop lifting images but as a street documentary photographer ticks. All the boxes for me tick the boxes. Amir's well morris love it there. I mean there are locked down images of Of empty streets do sat thousand words and remember starts of down. I was absolutely captivated in a negative slash positive way by these by these images. And the you know looking at these empty streets. Some of the streets in london particular thinking he no Usually that will be thronging thronging. It will be filled with people. Cabs just stuff It was like a you know like a scene from twenty eight days later it really was. so yes. there's those sort of peaches that speak thousand words and this one takes it a step further in terms of the shopkeepers. Look the the mosque dangling from his neck that look of Where all the people it's It's worth a look. Go check out the three six five featuring thank you to those taking part those that are going to in the future and Of course if you want to join in her. Be delighted to see your pictures. Send them to two thousand pixels. That's really important. And for this feature. Please not non watermark. I won't do all the links for you so the linked back to website and social. But if you can make them non war tomorrow that would be fab Two thousand pixels on the long side sent to studio photography daily dot show. Now i'm I'm making the The following letters patron of the dimensions as both sue and danna super super supporters of the of this show without them and the others. We wouldn't be doing this well. Well certainly not in this style to the production standard. That i like to think and i hope you agree that it's reached so Those links will be on the show pace today. Of course can gun see some more of their work and Big huge big tipped hat of appreciation from me for for your support of this podcast and this this project. I'm absolutely by the way now lost. I should somewhere here. I should have come out to to be on the long one of the well. The long runway. But i seem to be. I don't know the i'm in the midst of nowhere. Found not out of here in about twenty four hours. Could you call somebody plays. There's a son here. Footpath sign. Let me go neil. He'd never make a boy scout. Well it was actually. He wants his full of this. Okay job done then. So yes so. These these two First of all from susa. Hello neil had you mentioned the old pier in western superman on your show this week. You wondered if you can guess onto the island. Well yes you can but it's a bit of a wacky finger of you do own one of those. You shouldn't really be here. Oh really oh. I'm afraid i'm going to have to take your name. Oh all right. what's your name. Kevin mullins are anyway You must know that the tide times as there's only one way on and the same route to return which along spit of very lumpy rockin gravel but there some years ago in heavy machinery was supposed to be transported there for renovation at the pierre. Nothing's ever been done. No it hasn't has it and it's it's a really interesting looking peer it's Does the new pier newish here and then in the background. There's this seem better days peer but that's one that looks the most interesting it's sort of holds through the building. The reuss falling in. There's no lifeboat house dan. I wonder what's in the the old lifeboat house may be an old lifeboat. I don't know I did some fishermen over there early this year. But they weren't really on the pier. They will on the rocks. Which i suppose is okay and it expected to be aware of the ties where you would when i want you doing that. Fishing on nine kevin millions. Anyway i thought i'd submit a an an image of burn beck. Peer burn b. I r. n. Burn peer correct name or the old pier is locally. Known are being photograph in the old pierces sue for some years now watching his gradual decline. Sad isn't it on all buildings. They decline like that her but it does. It does give those interested. Nur baxter crack the whip. Doesn't it anyway. I thought i submitted image of the pin and the past couple of years when during a long exposure now. These pictures are on the the web pace today. Name really intriguing. I think you look them. you have to see them. There's a there's a few there in the past couple of years. She says doing a long exposure of noticed that when conditions appear just right the images produce long lines in the water. I call them stanchion lines iva theory that there could be related to the moon. But that's just a theory that around the time of full moon that the waters forced much more ferociously between the land the island goes much greater drag on the pier stanchions thus causing the lines to be made on worth this technical stuff so when i do get the conditions the lines to the right of the peer when the The todd is coming in and when they ought to the left. The todd is going out. See you found a system. Based on the seven s the seas very brown unusually the images of process to black and white however just occasionally depending on the sky. The sea can appear blue or even silver calm regards. Susa western supermarket western superman. But i guess if you're a local you can cool at western supermarket right this way. Leave me out to the woods is one from don phillips. In the meantime i nail hub. You had a great holiday sounded delic on the first all show it was. Dan is certainly was was actually a way myself on a family holiday and flamborough on the yorkshire coast myself down. What do you mean do do you mean that they go one place they send you by yourself to another from of the obvious dot joke. There was do weddings your mother. I have the perfect relationship. We both make sure we go out once a week. Still at least she goes out. Tuesday's thursday's boom. The weather was Was kind and although opportunities to get with my camera on my own with limited. I did manage some time to myself on a day trip to whitby while the rest of the family. Were enjoying some retail therapy about you. Damn but why family have now gotten used to giving me what they cool photo time. It's a lot to me dad. Don't you wanna make some pictures again. He's usually when. I think they've got a bit a bit fed up looking twitchy the home. Of course some shorts with our light to do maybe dad going to a camera. Offi ago leadership credit cards and spy by many of the posts. I've seen on the photography. here we are. We have emerged from the forest straight to a dog walker. Lovely this spa by the by many of the post. I've seen on the photography daily website from guests another patrons. I decided to have a bit of street. Photography results attached to new fund. Those in the On the show pace today. I did cheat a little by using my eighteen. To fifty five had the option of shooting at a bit of a distance but really enjoyed scouting out potential subjects and then narrow and very busy streets. Sounds a lot like what we were talking. Just now the lanes in brighton. I also got a bit of a bus from trying to go unnoticed while taking pictures surrounded by tourists especially when some of them were chosen subjects. And it's definitely something a lot to do more of anyway. I street photography efforts. And thank you for the inspiration as a waste. Cheers cheers to you down as well and Thank you thank you. Thank you down for being Patrons heartily appreciated. Let me play you a for one of our inspirational links. Now that we was play these of your new to the show. We play these inspirational excerpts clips from former guests and we play those inbetween letters. And i'd like to. Let's play about one from the master of st nick. Turpin widely known as one of the uk's best street photographers on On what it means to shoot on the streets. And i asked. Nick caught some time back. Ashley must be about a year probably a bit more. What's his favorite street. Photograph was and he came back with a with a cracking also but also a lesson about making pictures on the street about authenticity and under stellar. So well here's nick and he can tell you about his favorite street picture ever. Yeah there's a fairly bath by joel mayor of it's called the pool and man which is taking nine hundred sixty seven in paris and everything about this picture. Joel was working on the streets of new york with gary weena. Ground tony ray jones. And he's being influenced by these other an immediate to get away from them to find his own voice as a photographer which is something. Most streep songs will recognize this funding. Your own way. Let's say he came on a trip to europe for six months. I think traveled around into cheap car and so on and he was in paris at this road junction and he saw a man on the ground fight. Having a fit the big gentle. But it's easy you can easily find it online and workman stepping over this guy. The workman is in blue overalls. He's holding a hammer a barrier and he's very working class guy guy having a fit or nine on the ground is in a smart suit with shirts and ties and chinese shoe. So there's a lovey clash. They're not just a physical or implied. Visit physical clash between them. But there's this kind of class cash going on and you look around. The picture is beautifully constructed. This picture now. One of the things. I love about is that i looked at this junction on google street view recently. And what i realized was that in the decades of passed between that picture being taken a now culture has changed. Perreault parisian society has changed dramatically. And now if you're to be contributing you can see north african immigrants in headscarfs. You see people walking with their heads down your mobile telephones crossing in the background. You can see a tour party tourists. Being on tour around paris you can see billboard advertising about how commercialization of the public space all these incredible things happening and it made me realize that the former man in that picture actually wasn't the most interesting thing about it. It was just record a prison society that it represented and when you compare it to the modern picture it all becomes apparent you realize just how important street photography is the amazing nick. Turpin he's Another of our previous guests a lot to do a alive. I will with quite go. That route alive fighter with another one of our guests are like to actually walk with whilst interviewing on a photo walk. Some accents yeah thinks. He's another one of these moments. Where i've just come across remember. I was talking about things that you find that. Just poke out the ground and this is a great example. Let me tell you the pitch low battery. Fortunately i like the last time. I've got some spares with me but there's this old i don't know what what would have been without. Bs it looks like an old piece of tubing or f- four five three twenty. No neutral density needed here one sixty s stuck faithfully the one sixty kind of a wet willy pitch that because there's several things sticking out the ground i'm one of them really doesn't belong there. See the joys of what you find on ex-military basis right Oh yes we meeting our guest but stefanie in a moment for very real conversation about this This thing that we love photography the He's kinda condu-. I think we'll call it but it's so state of the nation address. That's what it felt like well while i was recording with him and he kind of is but it's Which which which might sound spurs a bit melancholy in places. But it isn't because there's actually I it's it's like there's proper stores so stop stop midland and was it setup conflicts resolution if it felt a little bit like that in the In the interview. So that's that's to come. But the american nation they get a state of the nation address. And they do you know we should have. We should have our our our very own country. Should we photograph you. Photograph of the country as a presenter. Alex lester forty mentioned once in this show. And i didn't i didn't name check him then but Alex lester who used to have a easter have his own Secret nation on his radio show so feel a might be just about Unashamedly borough and i still know borough an idea from alex. Alex is a mighty wind but What did he call his. Yeah you had this This imaginary nation the his listeners were all a part of and they used to suggest some of the funniest things that would be in this nation and the laws that they would have What was the name of that place. barabra bah. That's it bologna. Bologna knew it was a be with a silent ex. You can work that out eights. Nail does yes it does. I told you you can work that. One out but What photograph photographic nasa agree. That's a great idea. Maybe there's a little rolling joke between you and i that we can have on the show. Isn't it so secret nation of photograph. Here he would be a president it would need to be somebody very level headed somebody very calm natural natural leader. He would that be do you. Think don't make no no no mcallen. He definitely government certainly but no somebody Interested in the his some making pictures of Of the of the world and the state of the i know. Sebastian salgado sebastian. Soga salgado sell. God salgado. I'll get to his name. In a moment he'd be perfect would he. Yes he gets my vote definitely. We should think about micro nations. That's what they're called micro nations. Aren't they as one of the Is it the north seal. The i think he's off. The east coast of england could see land which was claimed by somebody. They claim they climbed to one of these old sea defenses from Probably the second world war. I think and They may they may. They made their own nation. They had their own currency and everything. What would we have is currency on photograph. Yeah i suppose i can make. That's a good idea. Let's let's make photographic prints the currency if you have a possible to. That's a center a penny Four six could be a five five seven seven five. That could be a tenor eight. Six one eight ten will be a twenty twelve sixteen. That would be the con- accountancy way showing off teammates at the bar. Actually the end that this is not gonna work because it because all these these will be fought through. You'd need a wheelbarrow. Just go out for the night whitney anyway right. let's get off that talking with meeting our guest but stefanie in a moment for a very real conversation but before we do that. A mouth from krisztina pullen. Hello one of those writers who's still debating whether to send him my pictures well christina. You know my my opinion on that cushy. Should it's good to see right from the start. As you'll make any pitches as you Has advanced you'll skills and take on different genres and different interests gomez shorts on today right through the steelers. Oh nasty but i'm debating whether to send my patriot in. But i wanted to write and say thank you for the inspiration. You'll your sunny an abba song now. i've only picked up the camera in the last five years result of The results are buying it for our teenage son who went on to become far more interested in sport so i can't complain and i'll get a canon sixty for free. Who has a good deal. Well not really free as i think. I think you both form in the first place didn't you anyway. I'm finding as many of your guests and and you say yourself a quiet place on funding my quiet place just out there. Taking my pitches one thing. I've become interested in is macro photography which has become at times an almost zen like experience. I would imagine it is because For star is sort of your. You always hunting for something to this. Is the time where you would look down isn't it. No ma'am saying look up. Make sure you look up and get your pitches as well but you'd be looking down when you finding the most amazing things in macro land has become almost a time. She says as unlock experience. Any cianci could invite a macro photographer on. Sometimes somebody like andrei savon his taken macro to a new level quite literally with his underwater work. Keep up the good work and promised to send some work in macro probably christina. Yes i did. Go and look comper andrei. And he's working stunning. But then i. I found a load of other macro photographers. And guess what i did ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping. I sent off A host of males of the back your suggestion and let's see who comes in no that you're very good. Actually you you often or you lot. You often suggest these These great photographers. Some of them come back some of them. Just don't respond. some of them are really do interviews. I don't feel you don't feel confident. Amazing amounts of names by the way. Let's their folding me off. But no i believe they're being genuine people. January generally genuine when we return them out of nothing to lose by not being. So i'm always surprised by some of the larger names that say they really feel confident to to conversations on a polk hostile radio show but There we go i do. I do send out the invitations but christina. You send your macro. I'm holding you to that. If i managed to get some macro photographers on the show from that loss just listed i found the one that you provided then Absolutely expect you to someone in right. Let's hear from From our guest show with incredibly talented belgian photographer but stephanie. Now i've known bird for a little while. Now he is a fujifilm's ambassador so I'm of course aware of him and his work. And i'm now even in a collective with him of course i am not worthy but like many of us who who do this professionally. Those is He's own working reaction to the various lockdowns. So we've endured within our nations and For us well bird decided that he would say he would leave the profession. Now the art form but the the profession and sam's fulltime work and and don his His figurative shirt and time rejoin civvy street. A proper job as the apparent might say and as many people might moot so I mean he's work is incredible. I mean i my him for this incredible intimacy that he. He manages within his his work. And you'll see it if you go to. The portfolio and of course are linked to that with a show pace today but the fact that he can make a wonderful story out of joe just a trip to the museum is testament to that now and Alievl inkster to that work as well and he. Here's the story of a professional photographer. Who has said enough already and rekindled his love for the art minus what i call the the invoicing game but the gravel by command. So i i know. There are many different types of and styles about but i know gravel by because there're pretty hardened bunch they nobody cycles as hard as we do on gravel I'm not about it. I think that the i feel to me. But then i see my friends and they seem to have like a very easy time. So it's all very subjective. But i think what i really like about. This is that anything goes any level goes. There's no it's just a more friendly way of biking than most other kinds of cycling. I guess 7-foot-5 which is what you are a must be. Almost they must have to build you a special bike. I got the biggest frame. Yeah yeah and do you stop constantly you one of those really annoying guys out on the by the stop. I've seen the photo. We need to stop Actually not i have to. I have to force myself to take pictures when i'm on a bike ride. I take my camera like just a small x one hundred with me. A lot but More and more. I just leave it at home and just take my phone and if i make one image is just to make my Strada a bit more colorful than just a map so But a skit is good. That i don't always have to take a camera with me anymore. So i'm i'm a recovering Photographer let's say that well we're gonna talk about that. I try to avoid the who bought your first camera questionable. But i'd certainly like to know at what point the bug bit that you saw. Oh but this photography thing is something a bit more special merely fleeting passed on sir. It's graduating and cannot say lately this. This is the key moment where i got my first camera. H five or something. I know that i was interested in the family camera back. Then we just had one camera and family like small point and shoots and kinda liked the concept of camera and the technology. I think it was about eighteen or something or seventeen. I must have been seventeen when i go to the library. And it had the habit of just taking a random book here and there. And i was kind of a time life book on documentary photography award for. Don't even remember which one it was. But it really made a big impact on me to see those documentary images and in i. I just went to the library again and took a lot of Books about photography and found out that my grandfather used to be a bit of an amateur photographer backing in the day. A in larger on these ateeq got myself like a very cheap Practica camera and just start shooting a little bit and developing and i immediately saw the power of the image. Although i couldn't make it myself very well at that point. But i went to film school and kind of photography went away a little bit and it was with digital basically That i got back into it. Bought myself one of the original three hundred days A refurbished one. Because i couldn't afford a the new one and After a couple of months. I knew like this is going to have to do and i. I am going to have to make a living out of this. Because i want to do this all day. So that really took over from the filming that that was because i mean this screenwriting and directing. I've heard you say it was very influential and helpful with your photography definitely was an. I still like a video on. I do some video work and some videos for myself but I was drawn a lot more to the the more direct medium. That is photography i can get lucky with. Photography can take one picture. That's really good and just a split second with just a small camera and to make a video you need A lot of time a lot of hard work and very often you need a crew. I think always been a storyteller and storyteller looking for a medium to use and at a certain point video seemed to be the medium to us because i was not very good at music or sculpting or painting or whatever and it is a medium for me but i think photography is An even better one. Well i want to you from your website because today we were speaking for particular purpose. Now no doubt that. Now you've been no munshi see become a friend of the show and not made you have to come on again. I'm dependent on. I'm a commercial and editorial photographer stroke filmmaker who spends as much time as possible on personal artistic projects. Now one of the reasons. I was really keen to talk with the. We've been chatting on the show about how professional photographer have been changing vocational outlook on life to go from from full time to part time and some back to passion status so burt your euro. Well respected professional photographer. Camera brand ambassador you all known for your sped the brushes high end. Work your storytelling. But you've decided to go back to what i called civvy street. An i an i. I wonder why For a couple of reasons basically. There's been a bit of a pandemic going on which meant that all Photography work dried up overnight but to me it it's a bit more just like That was the thing that accelerated everything. But that's been things going on in the last couple of years in my life in the industry that made it actually quite a normal choice for me is not like a surprise. Although it took me a little bit of time to get my ego out of the way and admit that maybe it would have been good to step back a little bit Maybe for a while to see why. I do photography I had a bit of a burn out. I had a burn out like four or five years ago. And doing what i love and it made me a look back on things Made me look take a really hard look on on. Why am i doing this. An what am i doing and it made me realize that. Although i was a full time photographer i was not the full time photographer. I wanted to be well. Annoy you to get some celery blur producing tourist videos. But he was still dancing. This dance we do in a in and around getting free. Loud storytelling photography were during all this. But but a pandemic is is not exactly conducive to flying straight and level in terms of filling. Secure is it. I kind of side coming. I felt it coming like it was I said this is not going to be good for me and I got lucky that the company. Where that i worked for producing those videos they had They had a temporary job available. Just in marketing and They asked me if i was interested in said yes. Let's do it I signed my contract that day of the the first day of the lockdown and it was very helpful to have data to have just that insurance of having a salary each month and then there were times where photography work picked up again. Because i kept doing it on the site and then it dropped again so i felt like it was a very unstable situation so i started looking for something else something that i could combine with photography. That would leave me time and energy to do photography as well and so in the beginning of this year i started their new job actually for the government that has nothing to do with photography or video or anything but it allows me to still photography on the site for now. I think it's a good solution and It took me why. I used to be a little bit ashamed about it that i had to take that step back. Yeah that's interesting because you did mention the ego once. She'd sort of stepped aside from the ego. The you know no. I'm creative I'm not. I can't wear a tie. I'm creative yeah. Luckily i don't have to wear ties but figurative us. Yeah yeah i. I i know what you mean. And and it's like I still feel like. I'm a very decent photographer. I still feel that. I should be able to make a living with the skills and the that i have but i realized it I i think. I could definitely make a living being fulltime photographer but at this point not kind of photographer that i want to be. What is the conifer. Talk for the want to be. Then the you feel that this time has somehow stolen from me pants on. I think that Technology has got up with skill in In a way so while. I started as a as a craftsman knowing really well what i was doing and finding solutions for difficult circumstances a lot of that is gone and we have to be honest about that so the only thing we have left us photographers is our. I are vision. If i'm competing with a twenty year old with an iphone. He's always going to be cheaper than i am. So i cannot compete with that. So i can only bring my vision to the table so i had to recalibrate my outlook on things a little bit and do the kind of photography that i want to be doing which is it doesn't really depend on on the the niche that i'm working in how you can be. Reputation can be portrait. Which are my two main things. That i do can be commercial but to me. It's important that i can have my own vision to it. Because that's the only thing that i can bring to the table as the only thing any of us can bring to the table but i wonder if we place too little faith in the experience and expertise that we We do possess yes. There's still a bit of skill involved. And i can still make the difference between myself and someone who's just starting out but that gap is narrowing so fast so to me. It has to be about. Can i make authentic work. Can i make work. that i'm behind. That i'm proud of to put my name In the byline. And i realized that i was not doing that for maybe eight percent of of the work that i was doing. I i love the word amateur because you you take away. The less than kind interpretations of the word and there are many of them but actually it originated as a french word. didn't it meaning lover of not not necessarily expert but lover of and latin more than french. You're right well. I'm going to trust you. Always languages about above me but but it is. And i think that has rekindled the joy for i know of two photographers. I won't name. Because i don't embarrass them but of the slipped away from photography during this period maybe they'll be back but they're saying they're rediscovering the joy again i can. I can agree with that. completely I lost my My passion for photography became just work. I knew there was still the brushing there. Because i felt it but it just didn't find a way out. You know what i wanna be. You asked me What kind of photographer do you want to be. Actually want to be a professional amateur. Just make living with doing what i love. Yeah and i think that that often get lost a bit if you do it long enough and if you're in In a difficult industry let. Let's talk about Let's talk about social media. Because that's another thing the i know on. I've watched some videos of you talking about social media. We've talked about social media before and a group that we have On on your website on your blog on your instagram you you share your life which is something where we just discovering is liberating idea. In fact you say. I refuse to use instagram's a curated portfolio for me. It's journal imperfect. But real hallelujah. I i wonder if photographer now waking up to the idea of sharing the perfectly imperfect on this platform. I'm i do hope so. But i also realized that from a business point of view or like a short term business point of view you have to feed the algorithm for many many years like the power of the algorithm has become stronger and stronger in the last couple of years and it has it had became something like you had to do another thing on the list of to do not something that you wanted to do because you wanted to share an idea you want to share a picture and i basically said screw it If if the algorithm is against me then so be it. But i want to be real. I want to be authentic. But elsa find out that i'm i'd rather have one person telling me like eight your Picture or what you wrote below. It did something to me than half thousand likes. I also disabled the likes counter. I suppose i think it has no. It has no value at all but still we put a lot of value in it. Burt your work has this this. Low key dramatic feel And it's interesting. We started this conversation in you. You mooted the idea that some of those early books The you so in the library and inspired e were conflict and war for togue raphy books which all Often quite low key quite obviously very dramatic. Yeah i i don't know if if that's the kind of thing that inspire me and i i definitely don't want my work to be overly dramatic. I think it has more to do with intimacy. It's like when you're in a in a coup when it's dark around you. I find that. I always loved the night. I never felt afraid at night. Not even as a kid. I enjoyed it. I find it very peaceful. And i think it's more about getting distractions away. I used to be a bit more dramatic in my shots. And i still like a bit of trauma in the clouds and everything but i try to be a bit more nuanced these days but yeah it's probably i. I like docker backgrounds without even thinking about it. But i i look at my images and say i made low key again. I should try some heike. Not tom and i. I love them for the way they are. I know it's going to be a bird stafani. I don't think there's anything like Because i'm not a very dramatic Person i think Or at least not overly dramatic But i think that that darkness is more Intimacy yeah is more intimacy and it also points the viewer to the subjects more than in hike images. In my opinion i saw in a video. You say and i think this is very important for professional and otherwise all your pictures helping someone or something And that seems very important to you. For a reason to shoot doesn't it. It is And sometimes can be helping myself I want to do something with the images because it's storytelling. So if i have no story to tell then it's just a pretty picture and what's the point of that because i've found out that over when i look back at the older work under the desk work that makes me cringe. That still like because it tells a story. They may not be at the technical level that i could do now but if the story is still in there still valuable and it only becomes more valuable over the years. I've become very aware in the last couple of years that there's a fine balance and it's a difficult balance to find between like the more technical side of photography and the story you're telling and sometimes technique can get in the way of photography and this often these days when i'm shooting look intimate portrait sir than. I know that i could make the picture better. Technically by adding affiliate for example. But i also know that. I would make sure that the person from my camera will get out of that. So or or We'll get nervous or i would disturb the flow so While i would probably have gotten another light out a couple of years ago now i leave it as it is. Because i think it's more important to dell that person's story or make a picture that means something to someone i think a lot of the images that mean the most to clients or two subjects in the picture They wouldn't do well on instagram. Why because it's a picture that's important to them but not necessarily I've been guilty of producing photographers photographs. If you know what i mean. It's like made for the grid deeming made for degrade or you know you can see when it's technically difficult or like that but that doesn't matter at all to the person looking at the images who's not a photographer and so i i think it's It's always good to balance these things out and you'd never gonna keep the perfect balance. And sometimes i have to do something technical something new to to get my teeth in just something to experiment and then i have to go the other way back again. So it's just about trying to find like a very temporary balanced in in that sense talking of making pictures with meaning the story. You may cooled dunkirk in search of humanity. A few years ago it was about three or four years ago. Now i want of find more time now to work on those special projects that the don't get made for pay packet now that you find yourself in a place of making pizzas that you want to make how you want to make them. I'm right at the head of the. Pc's say although. I still enjoy my role as an educator in the photo industry of of come to the conclusion that i should spend more time on telling stories that just have to be told. I had to do that thing. Attitude that project because it was just basically by accident that i came into contact with with a group and i thought that i had to tell that story from my personal point of view. Although i'm not like a a photo journalist or anything but still. I have the power to tell stories story so i should and whenever a story like that crosses my path again i will tell that story just as well But i don't feel like i'm the right person to devote my life to that kind of photography. Why and i cannot take the distance from things like that. Because i i still. When i think about it it's just mind-blowing and and makes me really sad But i think that sometimes. I have more power as a person than as photographer in a way or as a professional photographer. I think those pictures will probably not have a huge impact on the general population but they had an impact on my friends and family. Because they know me as a person. And i'm a person who happens to be able to take some decent pictures but they know me they see those images they read that story and for them it probably has a bigger impact then if they had seen the same story from a much better for the journalists than i am and so if i can make a mark on do people close to me and maybe even some online friends. Then it's probably more impactful than me trying to do a book about refugees You know for anyone listening. He wants to tell stories. He wonders whether they can only be by professional fighter. Jet listening they're they're they're pretty sage. Words actually not being a human first photographer. Second can actually be a very powerful way to to operate a just finally birds. I'm i'm interested because this has been a unique angle really from which to ask questions. A photographer who's drawn away from an industry in an almost almost phoenix style. How how is the new birds to finally going to embrace this art for now. You've you've stopped attaching invoices for the moment. Where are you now though in your head as a as a photographer i've i've come back to the basics of who i am why i started this in the first place why i'm attracted to photography probably bit more refined a bit more purposeful and a bit more brave in the sense that i i still take on shop stat in the proof to be not for me. Then i'm like well. I did it in a decent way but it's not what i want to be doing. I still get those from time to time. But now i'm able to say like i'm not going to do that next time. That person calls me. So i still want to be. I want to go back to full time photography. But only if i can do it on my own terms and when i can do it on my own terms i have this loose idea of doing it like sometime next year but again i rather stay in this situation and have the freedom to create the freedom to say no freedom to speak out and say what i want in images and words then to be a bit of a slave of the industry in a way. That's very important. I don't think i'm different. In many ways maybe just a devolved and a bit more free. Stefani water was an absolute joy with him. And you'll be hearing more. I promise you this of in the future couple more miles than will play out this week with a another from what is going to become our. Our photo will play list. Then i do need a fall better ties or but of course it'll be available in the record shops photograph via if we have a cobra. That's a map designer isn't it. I think it is somebody who could who could invent this nation on paper anyway. Today we're playing out with my eyes kovic under song called. Is it all right. Fantastic so And it's that kind of song that lets you just finishes off your photo walk after all the letters and the inspiration that you've heard and oversee burt as well. Then you just a couple of moments to regroup are group. Our thoughts from From coming up very soon now the really important bit this photo walk really relies upon you to to send in the pictures that you make on your own walks in the messages and stores that you send him which can be loosely to do with the photography and cinematography so please keep sending your photo stuff in any inspirational thoughts any questions you have. The think may be a good talking points and stories about what you'd be making pictures of so that we can inspire a community of photographers across this globe. Send to studio the email addresses studio photography. Daily dot show Studio a photography daily dot show off each chew you in this mailbag edition. Make those pictures by the way two thousand pixels. What have you done have pages warri. It's still great to hear from you. You've heard mails and messages on the show from people who photographers. Who don't necessarily feel that. They want to share their pitches yet. Or or maybe they just want to give some feedback to a show that they've heard the pastor. That's just as good for me. It's delightful to delightful here from your no serve like this photo walk and if you get a chance to leave a review on your podcast player not the apps have them of course but if you will does it just it just helps. The pocus hosts those that carry the feed in the show to understand the people do like and it does make a difference so well look. I'm not quite sure what to say about this I am a bit not quite as much as a as a brush But i'm eccentric in my ways to bit goonies appreciation monty python candidate mo monty python goons. I wasn't really a huge fan. But i was So it's been used to get a couple of. We've got a complaint from the complaints department feel should go into a python sketch. One here from leo brim. Kina kickoff the complaint section of the show today. hello neil. What's happened to car. It was the reason. I listened possible that little adverb bit. So the end always may be chuckled. Because we do that in our house call to. We have a v. dubbed t. five if you have a vw spice school v daban the vw. Dub t. five called henry. He has a very similar. actually jazz. Don't could henry my friend. John's dog henry. I'm sure as a very different temperaments yawovi dub by the sound of it. Yeah we have a vw. Henry is a very similar kind of voice to call. He is however a little more likely to curse. Yeah jaws is. Henry would never do that. And then One of our patriots might miller to fridays in a row. Nail without having you say he's probably getting a little upset. I think that cause a fixture in the friday i wore. It's that witty. 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Sadly i can't make the opening what say sadly i'm delighted to be working. I will be Photographing list tomorrow. Isn't it tomorrow night. I'll be photographing on the eleventh. That is if you're listening to this on the right day. Otherwise on the eleventh I will be photographing but good luck for the for the grand opening london's tool list outdoor exhibition of photography. Ever with a an asterix de to confirm with the asterix went to. But i'm sure there was some kind of disclaimer unlocked. His co. looking back looking forward five stories of a london police station. It was a cracking idea A group exhibition by fourteen photographers. Do you do you remember the idea. it was It was on the. I think i think it was evans. Idea was the yes. Of course it was evans. I did that to put this exhibition on the side of a of a police station fitted into the sort of the mtc basis below each of the windows cracking idea. So he's he's a couple. I think the best thing to do is to have edmund talk about it. I will put the poster on the show pace today. See you get all the information. If you live abroad you still Threesome links be able to see what's going on which is which is good. But so let's have a couple of words from edmund and during our meetings we kind of. We realized that it has to be an outdoor exhibition. You know there's just too risky to put all that time and effort and money into Getting an exhibition ready. And then it gets council off because knocked on ruse stricter or whatever and we will sort of chatting away. And i just had this really crazy idea just came to mind of doing it on the outside of the building. And i immediately sort of a hotel The holiday inn and insulin broadway and then police stations oppositon so no listed on the police station. Of course i was looking at thumbnails of a all. My sort of friends faces looking me in a very kind of civil way of edmonds completely lost you know this. This lockdowns obviously messed with as with his mind. Because you know there's this sort of matrix of tiles beneath the windows and it's a huge five story kind of office block kind of it's perfect. It's a matrix is just there. It's it's ready for pictures to be put on and You know the sort of conversation went one stage above joke innis and then went to stages above jokin us and yeah. We kinda started working. I started Writing to the police station. Who found very amusing to begin with and then realize that it was serious and then realized that. Actually that's a good idea and then it was down to you know fundraising and trying to get the funds together. The great thing about outdoor exhibitions is that many many more people see the regardless of pandemic not an indoor exhibitions. Because you've got walkers by will stop and say and they get drawn into abattoir akopian. Well i look forward to to photographing with. You're hearing from and talking with you next week for this week. 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Friday Conversation: Sue Bird talks flag-bearing from Tokyo

Locked On Women’s Basketball

23:07 min | 3 months ago

Friday Conversation: Sue Bird talks flag-bearing from Tokyo

"The light on podcast network team every day. This episode is brought to you by spotify greenham. Have you ever listen to a podcast like this one and you wanted to bring up your own point or just chat with other people that are listening at the same time. Well let me tell you about spotify. Green room this is the first social audio platform made just for sports fans. The app is free to download it. And once you're in you can talk with us. Other fans athletes insiders in real time about your favorite sport or download. The app currently available on ios devices create a profile linger twitter. Join one of the groups for the latest league updates and then you'll see us there spotify greenham changing the way we talk sports. The women's basketball our dollar mind followers on twitter walked on. Wbz make sure you're listening to all hosts who are here alongside creamer stafa ambulatory bear eric. Yala my longtime friend. You're always getting goodness. You're always getting nutritious delicious locked on women's basketball and speaking of nutritious and delicious lot them women's basketball is brought to you by built bach. Did you know that built our has show many delicious flavors. I mean you do if you listen to me coach Sherry bar zia raspberry minch brownie double chocolate salted caramel. My favorite german chocolate and my mom's favorite of course is the salted caramel bill. Far flavors are delicious but they're healthy to eighteen grams of protein. No more than one hundred eighty calories for five grand net carbs order today and get the grasshopper turkey. I knew what that is. But i'm enough to try it. Asbury you name it. You go to bill bill marr. Bill dot com and use the promo code l. o. sheet take e. d. i n. Locked on in your fifteen percents off your order. Bill bars the official protein bar of the us track and field team. And of course my mom. So you can tell the track team or grandma. Myrna sent you jomie be a little bit of background on some olympic players and teams. I'm most excited for them to share schubert's conversation with media after she was the flagbearer at the olympics. One of my favorite sue bird facts. Sue bird is the flagbearer twenty twenty united states dawn. Staley do back in two thousand four dawn. Staley is now of course coach and retired player. She bird playing in. Twenty twenty shubert teammate. Dawn staley back in two thousand four. But don't let us alone blind you to the amazing talent that we have throughout women's basketball at this olympic games. I'm taking through canada features. Kia nurse natalie. Chandra one of my most favorite players to watch and covers rigid. Carlton does a little bit of everything and do not sleep on average of yukon all entertaining roster very very interested to see g shoe arc plan for korea. You get the opportunity that just doesn't get with billing beer. Solution will someday very very interesting spanish team. Rachel rivera's most excited about spain. On on the spanish national team gabby williams is back in action plan for france as marine johannes favourite. A friend of the program. Jackie powell japan very very talented roster including first ramu toshiki. She's missing unfortunately this time. Around if ratio surgery doesn't matter is still going to be a contender team nigeria. Yes it is disappointing. Not sheila's williams necker who mckay play. But nigeria still has toured Gotcha they've got erica. Eric terrific goulard played for rice. Very interesting to see her. See them as well and yes. I know australia doesn't have to bauge but goodness they have a lot of talented team from stephanie. Talbot on down. Rebecca alan very very talented. She animation in play for belcher once more. And maybe as exciting as anything to jasmine black me religious love just great defensive legislator very poorly chapman type player. She played for poker force later. J. m you and then china. China's got their height up front six six six seven six nine. That's unsure what the five a very capable stretch five. I am very eager to see how china does so yeah. I'm looking forward to limited festival on the olympics. You guys but it was whatever happens next a lovely moment with shubert so you say always worthwhile near listening to lock women's vegetable. I'm allerg- backed up. This episode is brought to you by hp whenever you do your best thinking. The hp specter x three sixty is ready when inspiration strikes with power save for battery life and focus mode to multitask. You can do your best thinking whenever and wherever it happens. You can't always schedule when and where you might have a brilliant thought whether it's in the morning or before bed when you're at your computer or away from it thinking can happen anywhere anytime the specter x. Three sixty two and one convertible with windows ten saves battery life or whenever an idea hits. Hp specter extra sixty a more thoughtful laptop. All right everybody. Thank you for joining us on Short notice Can everybody hopefully arrange your suber one of to fly beers for the. us delegation. Just a few hours for opening ceremony on. You've got questions pursue. Please raise your hands. And we'll get going we'll cheryl. How're hi sue A lot has been made of or we've talked about. Your synergy was dawn in her being a previous flagbearer. But also your former teammate. Lauren jackson had the honor in ba- london on have you had a chance to talk with her about sharing that honoring What what are your feelings on that in to seattle players. Yeah i mean when you put it that way. It's pretty crazy to have two players from seattle before bears for the country's lauren. Texted me and said congratulations at how proud she was. We kinda just chat a little bit. I do remember when when she was the flagbearer. And i remember thinking similar to die just thinking how how credible that was so to be sitting. You're now still even a couple of days later is mind-blowing for me and gave me the best advice possible. You know she said listen Heavier gonna be pretty confident. Fake have one and then we'll go see yes. Hey sue i got to for you of in a cab right now So my question is or two is practice for carrying a flag. You can do to prepare for this and the second one is just. It's flagler Suit with you guys. Now you spend years in seattle. What is he meant to. Women's basketball retired now from coaching question. I have no answer for. I don't think there's any preparing I assume that was both eddie. And i walk in holding those flags can be pretty emotional To that as far as hughes goes you know. Dan has been A huge player in the game of women's basketball. He's been somebody that has obviously coached and with either gonna develop players. You're gonna help players develop and figure out what they're gonna do post coaching. I know that some sorry pros playing. I know that something. He takes a lot of cry. Just empowering us allowing us to find ourselves and figure things out like. I said planning and you know. Now he's gonna find other ways to stay involved. That was one of the messages he delivered for team when he left a month or two ago just that he's always been involving basketball and and it's been coaching really long time but whether it's commentating or maybe maybe he's gonna end up coaches granted. Who knows he's gonna find a way to stay involved. Which is which is a great thing for our game. And you and i leave inside any office as i get nicest you i just. I wanna know what it's like to be part of the first gender equal olympics a man and woman holding nice or would we have and also it sounds like forty nine percent female participation overall in tokyo. I mean it's not that surprising. I think women We've been holding our own for very long time. And i ag- recently may not just recently but more recently heard us. He's our voices. I think there's been a select few whose whose shoulders we stand on. Which is how we got here. You don't select few women who have been brave enough in the past to use the platform into push push the conversations in the narratives forward now. We're the beneficiaries of that. And so i think it's wonderful. News that an equal mix and now. It's up to us to keep doing that. You know that's definitely something that i know. Our team talks about Just continuing to fight so the next generation can be beneficiaries and it could be even a bigger and better for us. I let you go. I play basketball as a point guard. You're known as a leader. Are you carrying that into the opening ceremonies tonight. I mean i think at this point. I kind of am point guard. I'm a leader. I'm i don't know it's all intertwined in hawaii person so it's not gonna go anywhere it's going to be with me always and gillian. You're dangling yourself in early about sorry sorry about that. Hey i'm just wondering if you can give us your early impressions on how different this olympics is from others that you've been at an m. what you're expecting for a very different kind of opening ceremonies. I mean of course. It's been wildly different. You know we did get to go to the village the other day which was which was great There actually was a sense of normalcy within the village minus having been on gloves when you entered the dining hall adding all the partitions for you sat on a and of course all the other protocols hand sanitizer everywhere which is good. I think the village serves as a little bubble of but regard. I mean outside of that. This is incredibly different. I know opening ceremonies is going to be incredibly different. One of my favorite memories is when dawn staley was the flagbearer. We got to walk in with her right at the front of the entire delegation and hearing the crowd roar when they announced the united states. And i know that it's going to be different. There's gonna be no ryan. It's just us walking in their active in some weird way. I think women's basketball men's basketball as well Va inmates variances. Kinda us to the bubble like atmosphere. We did this last summer and it was really awkward and strange. I playing a game with no crowd and then you kind of get used to it. So i think that's kind of what we're all anticipating expecting people always ask you as a veteran. What advice from my giving the this advice that i know to give because this is unprecedented. This olympics is like no other the steelers get even stronger on defense. Here's what our local experts are locked on today. The pittsburgh steelers have added edge. Rusher melvin ingram on a one year deal. The team announced on tuesday. Are they building the best defense in football. Listen to our local expert. Chris carter unlocked on steelers for the answer are the houston rockets poised to up in the nba draft. That's today on the lockdown today. Podcast meanwhile our local expert in houston jackson. Gatlin speaks with. Last season's breakout player. Jay sean tate on the latest locked on rockets podcast. That's a must listen. It's day two of the ultimate mock draft. Our local experts across the country at teamed up with chad ford brian's gala greeny and former suns general manager ryan mcdonagh for the ultimate mock draft presented by the locked on podcast network and odyssey. The i ten picks on the field right now. Find the ultimate mock draft wherever you get podcasts. Local experts on the big stories. It's the lock on podcast network. Your teen every day chloe merrill. Hi sue how significant a moment was a foot to have diana. Reveal the news to you in front of everybody. It seemed like a really wonderfully intimate moment. Yeah it was you know. In a lot of ways. Diana can be sitting here not a lot of ways in other ways. Diana can be sitting in the c- right now. You know someone who easily has as accomplish enough has done enough both on and off the court his hold his honor and i feel like our olympic experiences are so injured fine ravenously very good friends. Best friends we accomplished a lot on the court but really these experiences wouldn't be the same i know for me. It would be the same without the so the have her be the wanted to share. The news made it that much more special. And i feel like i'm representing the both of us. I sit here right now. And she's definitely going to beating hopefully right next to me as i walk in holding that flat. 'cause like i said she deserves it and i don't think i would be without her. Amazing thank you will go to rock no arrives. I su Excuse any background noise. i'm in the bullpen. Right now Yeah for earlier question. It is going to be the most gender games that we've ever had but there's also been some pretty stark reminders specifically with the norwegian and When the pinball team that the cultural shifts that bring true gender equity are still in the works How do you feel about that. Larger cultural barrier and effort to pass it forward to the next generation. Like you mentioned. Yeah i mean. I think it's unfortunate that there's this process that seems that we have to go through. Which is you know someone or a team. In scenario speaks up they get down. They stand their ground. They've potentially get punished. Only maybe a year two years three four sometimes longer but after a period of time up what do you know the rule gets reversed and it always takes that first person or that first team to stand there from and i don't know why has to be that way. If it was up to me. You know we wouldn't just go do things the way we've always done now. I think should be challenged in that way. To look at things. Differently is super important. That's how you that's how you create change in pushing forward but again that's just how it is. I think there's a lot of things going on right now. Within this olympics that hopefully all the people who have stood their ground are going to create that change. And i hope that happens to later and again. It's unfortunate that you know. Some people have been punished speaking of spend just a quick follow up to that The changes to rule fifty obviously pretty prominent in the news earlier this year. I wanted to know if you were on behalf of the winning team. Any thoughts on your approach to that as it had forward. And you obviously favorite metal Your that yeah. I mean i think you know what stood out to me. Most about fifty was the fact that no punishment has been made clear. I think that actually speaks volumes 'cause it comes across a little bit like i dare you. I dare to do this. Find out what happens. So i don't think any athlete really appreciates that I understand that we have rules for a reason to maintain order or whatever you wanna call it but that part is the part that really It well with me I don't know about the rest of the team. It was something we discussed. But that was my my one takeaway. That was my one big takeaway seemingly You're next okay. Just wanna know sue. What's going to be going through your mind. Emotions thoughts feelings as you calling it flag in the marching down the pathway with the with the usa. Honestly i just wanna have fun with it. I think it's a. It's obviously a huge honor a big moment and i'm so glad that my team's going to be there with me. 'cause it's only right to kind of celebrate enjoy with them And it's like. I said huge honor to be asked salida entire delegation ends. So i wanna have fun. you know. that's what the olympics are out. Yes third times to be serious and obviously there are times. Focus on on your mission. Why you come here. And i think opening ceremonies is really the one time we can kind of let loose and enjoy it. Be around other athletes kobe. Of course Engine kind of soak it all in is so what this all means in a wire here in hard work so i think it's a one time you definitely see a huge smile on my face Journalists vk don't get emotional public anyways. So i don't anticipate that in terms of leg showing accuser that kind of emotion. I think the emotions z. Is going to be happiness and excitement. You hazardous. Hey sue You mentioned the sort of lack of fans that they'll be as opening ceremonies. I'm curious if you intend to sort of cheer. On the other delegations if you think those sort of hear each other and what what that might be like shot. I mean your mind i i don't even know yet here. We are a couple of hours away. And i don't really even know lie. We're going to be you know held until our time to go in is we'll have a chance to see anything. See other countries is there announced. I really don't know So yeah i was. I had a better answer for you. I know after enjoy it. they do. We have any more questions for flagbearer. Sue bird seeing sue. You liked made any final closing comment before you go out and wave aboard your go down in light of and i hope the flag is late. Wish wish me luck. Thank you very much sooner. Things everyone jumping up wa. The steelers get even stronger on defense. Here's what our local experts are locked on today. The pittsburgh steelers have added edge. Rusher melvin ingram on a one year deal. The team announced on tuesday. Are they building the best defense in football. Listen to our local expert. Chris carter on on steelers for the answer or the houston rockets up in the nba draft. That's today on the locked on today's podcast. Meanwhile our local expert in houston jackson gatlin speaks with last. Season's breakout player. Jay sean tate on the latest walked on rockets podcast. That's a must listen. It's day two of the ultimate mock draft. Our local experts across the country teamed up with chad ford. Brian's gala breezy and former suns general manager ryan mcdonagh for the ultimate mock draft presented by the locked on podcast network and odyssey the first picks on the feed right now find ultimate mock draft wherever you get podcast. Local experts on the biggest stories. It's the lacan podcast network your team every day. This episode is brought to you by spotify greenham. Have you ever listen to a podcast like this one and you wanted to bring up your own point or just chat with other people that are listening at the same time. Well let me tell you about spotify. Green room this is the first social audio platform may just for sports fans. The app is free to download it and once you can talk with us. Other fans athletes insiders in real time about your favorite sport or team down the currently available on ios devices create a profile linger twitter. 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Heather's Special of the Week: Roommates

Urgent Care with Joel Kim Booster and Mitra Jouhari

22:53 min | Last month

Heather's Special of the Week: Roommates

"Urgent carry any other option myself in the scholar. Hey everybody it's me tra. I just wanted to let you know that the urgent care restaurant. Heather's is closed for september for renovations. We'll be back with new episodes in october. In the meantime we're giving you a second helping of some of our favorite calls and emails. This week's menu is centered around roommates. Enjoy and we're back and guess joel. Guess what joel we gotta call. Oh no high. Neutron jolie maitre both equally and i did put me i because our miss national women's month. Thank you surprise surprise. I am bisexual. Woman goes about saying at this point. So i'm looking for advice about a little roommate debacle. Were super close and we're great roommates. But she's taking that big step of moving in with her boyfriend at the end of this summer so we only have a few months left living together anyway When we moved out of our last place the two of us took a painting that our landlord had put up in the hallway or old landlord treated us really horribly throughout the pandemic so this is just kind of his karma i think We both enjoy this painting and everyone who comes over compliments at the second they walk in and we just love it so much the other night we were discussing. Who's gonna get the painting when she moved out and we got into an argument. I suggested we try to outbid each other for it. But she didn't think that's fair. Because i make more money than her. She said she's entitled to it because she hung it up to which i said. I didn't ask you to do that so neither one of us are really entitled to it since we found together. We're kind of out of stalemate and we don't really know how to decide fairly desperate painting. i was really appreciate. Your suggestions both chaotic and sincere. I really really want this painting. I don't want to hurt our relationship since we are so close. Thank you for making the past several months just a little bit better. I look forward to thursday's every week just to hear this award winning podcast and of course welcome to my face it anytime. Wow i love this call. This is like this is approaching green. Eminem territory for me because this is so high for me. But i do love this. Call jason. Okay so we've got a painting michelangelo da vinci which o'keefe yes i know okay. Puns are hard. Today are hard today. Because i know we've already done georgia o'keefe so we can't go there tab if we haven't we we spiritually absolutely. We have who are some other. Painters degas got jackson pollock. How about monet. Show me the monet. Show me the monet there. We go show me the monet. Okay show me them on. Doesn't make more money than her roommate. So that's sort of where i was coming from. Show me the monet can we. Can we show me the monet. Look we not every not everyone can be title up and not everyone will. And this one certainly won't be we'll see it's not our well. Yeah that's true. I in fact we. I'm not sure we've come up with a better one than show me the monet yet. I feel like your first one was cute. And i don't remember what it was but it felt good. Yeah okay we'll see while july it's up to you now. So here's what my suggestion is. And this is a real one. I think you need to go. Full king solomon baby bull king. Solomon you say hey bitch. Let's saw this painting in half and cut it in half of us. Get a half of the painting and whichever one of you decide side. It's not you're not willing to cut it in half gets to keep the painting because you love it more. Oh that's what that is. That's that's king solomon. Babe didn't know love that also. I think you should just cut it in half. Its that important or you could do like. But i don't think this will work you one of you for a year. The one and the do sort of custody agreement with the painting blog. I said someone's gonna forget or it's gonna feel like wait really you really want it. I think it's just going to continue the same annoying conversation that you're having now. I should fucking cut in half or i think you should give it to someone that you both like. I don't care like because she doesn't deserve it for hanging it up. You don't deserve for having more money cutters the thing now. Here's the thing. I'm really on your side monet because i think you deserve it and i think this is the play. This is the play here. Is you start to cry. You start to cry heaving sobs heavy sobs in front of the painting and you go you have everything you have a boyfriend and that alone get you. The painting does this person is in there. Where you sort of creating a world. Nuno she's moving. The roommate is moving out to move in with her boyfriend. Oh then she should. Our caller should definitely getting our caller is getting the painting end of story. Play this fear roommate. The roommate doesn't deserve it. You get the patient sheeting and at the boyfriend. She's moving into a into apartment with her boyfriend. She has everything you have nothing by. H you had nothing but the painting you have nothing but the painting and you need to make that clear to her in a way works. Okay you want try. Theatrics i want. Full blown. Theatrics i want. I want you to invest in those drops that you put in your eyes that make you look like. You're crying glycerin. Yes wow you just like knowing the liquids today knowing the liquid bides. Yeah you've earned it it's yours. You're lonely. You're sad if you have a boyfriend break up with him so that you can even add more to your case you're sad you've broken up with your boyfriend. You need the painting. Make up something portable and be like. Yeah you know what would make me feel so much bad. Terrorism by head. The painting quite honestly. She's the one moving out. It just makes the most sense that the painting stays where it is because she's the one who's moving. I agree sorry by. Is you're feeling depressed or struggling with uncertainty or having difficulty sleeping. Better health offers experienced therapists. Who can listen and help you guys. I've talked about better health before on this podcast. And guess what i refuse to stop because your mental health is not important to me and there's no better way to take care of himself mentally. Been speaking with a licensed professional counselor. Okay and better help me set so easy. One on the first therapists i ever saw was through better than it's because not only. Was it easy. It was also affordable and it just felt so right better help. 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Get ten percent off their first month at better health dot com slash urgent. That's better h. E. l. p. dot com slash. Urgent did match with a better help therapists and get started to day. It's a call. It's a call. Let's hear high neutra. And kind of a. I live in brooklyn new york and a whole lot. Upstairs neighbor i hear dumping and dropping things super loudly all the time i was looking jumping like dumbbells like you could hear the drywall. Crumbling through the walls of after he drops being repeatedly just a yelled really loud and like a very scary way. Hopefully he's talking to someone and it's fucking terrifying and we never make out what he is saying me and my roommate but sometimes it's about like co bid and trump and just fucking terrifying so we were really scared the same thing so we asked our landlord to go up there Talking about it and he basically just told him his voice actor and that kind of a job as part of his job. It didn't really go anywhere. He that was basically. It's a small apartment building also so there's only two permits per floor so he doesn't have anyone living across from him as well. I don't know if this is relevant. Anyway my roommate. And i heard it's losing and renews name. It's on the mailbox and we found out who he is and it turns out. He's like brooklyn comedian that we both know of and he's not very man as we previously thought and you'd videos were like the whole days just like being extremely loud and i don't know if i should tell you who he is because i'm sure you guys know him so i don't know let me know if you want me to tell you Yeah so. He hasn't stopped yelling or something or drop on the floor. So we don't know what to do. Do we go ask him. Ask him to be more considerate. Even though that went nowhere with the landlords to i come on twitter videos and being loud enough into stop and the replies. I'm also just like very anxious and not confrontational. And i don't know how to like. Ask him to be more. Quiet would have like an asshole. I dunno pete. Hope i love you guys and this podcast is keeping these same by. Wow i mean i have a list of people who i think it could definitely definitely definitely email us until we definitely want to know. It's actually offensive that you didn't send a separate email with this information so that we can know now and the fact that i have to go to bed tonight and not know who this is and we'll probably go weeks without knowing who it is actually infuriating. Yeah but but i do like. It's nice to have something to look forward to special little treat gossip as a treat and i do. I hate it. I hate it when they give themselves good ideas in the body of the email or the call because leaving comments in one of his videos is very funny way to do this. Oh we should ask name this person before. Okay so bad. Bad neighbor mr rogers grounds. Were you about to ground zero know. I was going to say groundlings day. I think it's like groundhog's day with the sound ceased groundlings day groundlings day. It is. Yeah this isn't going to be our good one but it is. It's better than extreme iota. Incredibly close not really but day is something leaving. Comments is a very funny idea. Really funny i also think like quote tweeting the videos that they do and say hey i live below this person and it is a nightmare. I actually think that i. I think there's another way to handle this. And i think that. Because i used to be a brooklyn based comedian as well. Okay so i know the i know the inner workings of this guy and i think that if you are scared of confrontation i think you've got to go up there and you gotta be like. Hey i'm actually a fan of you and your videos. I love your videos. I think they're so funny It is just sometimes hard when we live because we live below you etc etc etc etc and then sandwiched again with. I love your videos or something like that and this lottery. This work you've got you've gotta you've got to watch the videos though and that's unfortunate for you probably did. I'd imagine they've they've watched radius. They will not all but they they said they at least watch some because they know that they were they were involved being extremely loud but i think also like so many of those comedy boys are like so scared of confrontation and like scared to get in trouble or be called out and stuff so i do think like you calling them out. We'll hope like i would say will most likely and you can send the pert like you can send the person if we know them we can be like we can weigh in on this. Fun will respond directly through. We won't even wait for a recording of podcast. We'll just respond directly. If we think we're putting you in danger. yes exactly. I was going to say though because so many of them i think will immediately shrivel up and be like. Oh my god. I'm so sorry to know anyone can hear me. I feel so bad but then there is a small percentage of people who will react and in a more volatile way down they will double down so i think flattery is certainly the way to go. If you are going to confront this person whether it is written note on the door or an actual face to face thing. I gotta say to just for just to be fair. And i and i wish i knew who this person was before saying this because i don't want to be fair to someone i detest but i think being very clear and and like hey can you just keep it to these hours. Yes you know because like you can't i. It's kind of crazy to ask him to stop doing it altogether if this is his passion and his life but like and obviously away. He is filled out a closet or something like that. Yeah and i think like you know possibly the way. This person is making money. We don't know know how successful this person is or what they do. But like there is a world where this is a source of income or path to a source of income. So i think like figuring out in arrangement. That doesn't get in the way of you like doing your job. Well or something like that like i. I think there you can hopefully find a compromise. But i think Yeah it it. I know these people and i bet it's really annoying. I am these people. I just hope it's not one of the alright once you know. That's my worry for her. Because then i don't know i really don't know what you would do. But if it's one of the just like sweet harmless brooklyn boys then. I think this is a pretty easy fix. Yeah we're rooting for you. Let us know it is boy. This just tickled us both so much. I can't wait. Whose turn is it to read. I actually think. I'll let you read this one even if it's not my turn or because i think you deserve it. Thank you deserve to read this. One jolan richer. Meet your job. I'm a twenty year old female college student. Living in a house with three other girls and our school has always had a lot of interesting but funny silly and also goofy decorations all over. And i thought it was a mutual thing that we were fine with until my roommate decided to revamp and go for a more mature interior design for the new year environment. This i'm fine with this except for the fact that they want to take down my cardboard cut out of the green eminem normally. I'd be like yeah sure. Make sense you don't want her but they gave her to me for my birthday so i thought it was a mutual thing that we wanted her to be common area. They asked me to take down the other day. And i got upset and i was like no. I don't want it and they didn't really listen to him. And i can't tell if i'm overreacting and i don't know what to do. I need advice. It's also such a good cut out. And i don't want apart from it and i don't really know where else i'd put it. Please help i hope you are. Well my girlfriend low beautiful. Thank you is the girlfriend. The green and eminem first before we even get to the naming process dating green. Because it sounds like you are. And i'm scared. Is this the eminent. Kill yourself far so sort of an armistice vibes with the cutout disagreement. Green eminem have a name. We're about to find out about to find out now. One of my favorite fiery in joe firestone one of friend of the pod. One of my favorite jokes of hers is it's a very quick thing but she's she's talking about how she's dressed like a slow and her reference point for being dressed like a slut is i was just like the green eminem my favorite things. But because you know she's getting it you know that greenham is getting she's hanging hills. Yes yes she knows. She knows what she someone would do. Long distance for three years with the green eminem cardboard sled outlet out. No no no no. I don't know green boards. Let out guard hord slut out. Yes but we but we reclaim it. Et et cetera. Flat out let shame the candy. So i think you stand your you stand your fucking ground with this you do not let them take this down you put it back up in the dead of night and you do do you feign ignorance about it. How did that get back up there. I don't know i didn't do it every night. You put back up. Here's what i think you all live there. You can't all like everything in the apartment and you should be like if the if the green eminem is your thing you'd have to be prepared to be like you can pick whatever else the green eminem stays. And he's continued freak the fuck out about it like in a big way in a big weird way to the point where you might lose their friendship and the respect but you get to keep the green eminem. I mean. I think it's like really really emphasized like the emotional significance of the eminem for you during this difficult year. Like what it meant to you when they gave you the green eminem how much it symbolizes your friendship all that stuff while i was just going to say like just tell them that like you throwing out. The green eminem is like you throwing out our friendship. Because that's what this represents to me. Yeah i think you really have to go there. If you're going to keep the green eminem in broome alter that or put it under your bed like alternatively i was gonna suggest something like this where you you agree that the green and eminem can stay in the apartment somewhere under the bed. Perhaps in a closet wherever she fits and she gets to come out for parties and she gets to come out for special occasions. She becomes a christmas decoration. She becomes a valentine's day decoration like she gets to come out for the special occasions and then everybody sort of wins because actually in in a lot of ways the green eminem should be kept for special occasions. Only agree to disagree but i think this is an amazing compromise. I think it's actually an incredible solution because it's like if you guys have like a fun night where he like you all make dinner together like you're you're hanging out listening to music. Drinking wine greenham needs to be there either. Yeah she will add to the experience and clearly. This eminem out is a person to you. I think that's amazing. Rejected a lot onto the screen. And hey no judgment here no judgment from us. We are on your side you we are team. You were team greenham. Oh we love it. This is i think. Actually my favorite email or call we've ever received that does top five. I texted joel with like no pleasantries. What's didn't even didn't even hit him with a high. And i said the orders in the green eminem email is non-negotiable. Thanks for listening to this week. Second helping of your calls and emails. Don't forget to keep calling in and keep emailing us with your questions and we'll see you next week with another second helping of urgent care bye.

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USA Basketball Olympic Updates, Commissioner's Cup Updates

Locked On Women’s Basketball

22:09 min | 2 months ago

USA Basketball Olympic Updates, Commissioner's Cup Updates

"The light on podcast network. You were team every day. This episode is brought to you by spotify greenham. Have you ever listen to a podcast like this one and you wanted to bring up your own point or just chat with other people that are listening at the same time. Well let me tell you about spotify. Green room this is the first social audio platform made just for sports fans. The app is free to download it. And once you're in you can talk with us. Other fans athletes insiders in real time about your favorite sport or teen download. The app currently available on ios devices create a profile linger twitter. Join one of the groups for the latest league updates and then you'll see us there spotify greenham changing the way we talk sports. Nba draft goat. Chad ford locked on nba draft host rafael barlow and locked on nba host. John corrales will be live this year covering the nba draft. It's locked on nba draft twenty brought to you by built bar get local expert analysis on each pick follow locked on nba on youtube today and watch our live coverage lied twenty-ninth at seven pm eastern. You are locked on women's basketball your daily podcast on women's basketball women's basketball fans your host usual tuesday thursday host eric lindsay ayala. I know i've been away for a while. Start a new podcast on the lockdown podcast network which has kept me busy gluten getting out to seattle for the locked on crack and show. I'll said it's weird technical difficulties but we're back. It's the olympics. We're going to talk three x three and then You know. I'm going to get you ready for the traditional five on five tournament and then get us ready for some. Wnba news commissioner's cup. We got some details there and probably get you ready for what i'll talk about on thursday show which is team. Usa end the anthem Yom yom that'll be social justice thursday. But i'm back folks. Did you miss me. I miss chatting with you and miss The spotify green room that was eliminated first of all. I didn't realize for the longest time that i could do. You know it was doing halftime huddles. But i could have gotten payouts for that so i don't know i might have to see if we can do some retroactive. Something there because Yeah i did a bunch that i never got paid for. We got to look into that but a second while i really enjoyed it but you know my schedule has changed a lot things going on. It's all good things but it's really a lot. It's just kept me away from things but We're gonna have to do some more of that. So three x three for those who don't know end. It is three x three. It's not three on three. It's three x three. That is the official way to say it. I think it's a little pretentious but nobody asked me so three x three ten minutes four players so one substitute a continuous clock except for fouls and a few other things here and there. I one to twenty one or ten minutes and you're done whoever has the most points after ten that's all she wrote. So it's a whip lash nek whipping bass pace game of how of hockey of basketball. And it's like street ball is what you remember playing as kid and it's exciting. It really is exciting in. I'm glad that women's three x three is a thing. I was asking around a little. I'll play some audio of that next week but as asking around like hey. Is this something that maybe we can see for the wnba kelsey plum nap before the team left so the team. Let's talk about the four players now. Originally nafisa collier was supposed to compete in the olympic qualifying tournament or the oak. Ut she did not. I don't really remember off the top of my head. The reason why. But katie lou samuelson was her alternate or the alternate was her replacement nafeesa. Collier obviously made the five five x five is and how we say it now. I don't know the traditional squad. I don't think that having neck not on that team and nafisa on the team doesn't make sense to me but again nobody asked anyway So nafisa out kate. Who samuelson in alicia gray stephanie. Golson and i mentioned kelsey plum already. Wouldn't you know we do the media with katie lou. Samuelson the teams getting ready to leave for tokyo. Covert protocol katie. Lou adding the game out of the olympics crazy but you know not really crazy because cova does still a thing people no matter how much you wanna go on your vacation vacation station. Whatever covert still thing as we see cocoa goff katie loose samuelson just a few athletes that because they contracted corona virus virus are now nut in tokyo. Anyway so who replaces hurt none other than jackie. Young you've got to las vegas aces holding it down. Dislande island island and the head. Coach is none other than carolos. Now the thing is she's not really a bench boss because you don't coach in the same way for through uk's three as you do for traditional basketball. There's no coaching. You just play ball is life to feel. It's a momentum you make decisions on the spot. It's a physical game. It's a fast game so go check that out. I'm contributing this olympics to on her turf as part of nbc's women's sports coverage so A link in the description. The article that i had about that. So that's a little bit about three x three coming up next. Let's talk about five x five or traditional basketball lou lou. Some missteps from the national team headed into the olympics. They lost to the team. Wnba they lost to australia. Oh man i haven't even hit. Hit up a podcast since Liz cam bache withdraws from the olympics mental health reasons cited but also started coming out that there was a tussle a there was a tussle between. Liz can bayesian someone jillian team. But we're gonna talk five expert coming up next and we'll end the show with a little. Wnba news radio dot com is now off to see what is odyssey. Odyssey is your new home for all the audio that matters to you all the music all the sports all the news and all the podcasts. It's all live and on-demand inside the odyssey app whether it's audio that makes you move. Think cheer it's all here wind odyssey. Let's talk rock auto dot com. My favorite family owned business. They have everything online in their online catalogue. Tail lamps motor oil even new carpet. Why spend thirty percent fifty percent even one hundred percent more for the same prices for the same parts from a chain store or car dealership when you can go to rock auto dot com explore. They're easy to use website today to find the loose to find the solution to your auto part needs. Good iraq auto dot com right now and see all the parts available for your car or truck type locked on in there. How did you hear about us box. So they know we sent you. Amazing selection relied low prices. All the parts your car will ever need ruck. Auto dot com. Okay five five. I told you a little bit in the top of the show. They lose to team. Wnba and man. I saw you know after and a rica grumbling. Mvp usa bela man. They looked hella mad that they lost that game. But you know what i. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it for the hype of women's basketball team. Wnba was stacked and they didn't even have neck ogm mckay for that matter. Neither did the united states. But you know onto let that go eventually Some other people that made. I've talked about this on the podcast before that made that list of thirty six thirty eight whatever players. That were voted on by fans players and the media. I have given you my Full ballad. I feel like ballot ballot. A ballot is like a like a song. You know ballot. It's just weird anyway. I gave you my votes and But some people that were voted in either fans media players but did not get selected by the coaches elena. Delle donne on you know considering. She hasn't played a wnba game. Probably good choice recovering from not one but two offseason back surgeries Sabrina s coup was in the building but did not compete and I mentioned nagoya. Go mccain so. I thought it was a pretty good squad i i would love to see this moving forward. Ivan taught him. I know i've been away for a while but y'all should know that leading up to this. I was talking about for a while i was. We need this like. I talked about this. I've been talking about this for two years. Usa basketball in the coordinate with the wnba and they need to do more showcases. Because then maybe we wouldn't see what we saw leading up to the first game in the olympics. And what is that. Us ab loses loses to team wnba. An all-star squad fantastic game and it's like unallocated all star game. Nobody's nearly playing langer. Okay fun whatever you want to believe that you go ahead and believe that but then explain to me this riddle me this. How did they also lose to australia. Australia's atop team in the women's olympics for basketball. They also lost to australia and mind. You didn't play. Great against nigeria. Both in las vegas because they were in vegas. Not only for all star but also for their exhibitions. There tuneup before leaving for tokyo but they played them. I'm recording this afternoon tuesday afternoon. They played nigeria today in the preliminary round and one great folks. It wasn't great so what what ails. Usa be we might have to get into that on another show but coming up next. Let's school for some wnba news. We have a first look at the commissioner's cup. Of course that's going to be. The connecticut almost said well. That's hockey the connecticut sun versus the seattle storm at a neutral site to them. They both will be playing in phoenix against each other coming out of the olympic break. So this is exciting. We get more wnba stuff. It's fanfare. were easing into everything. Everyone's coming back from vacation. But everyone i mean the basketball players because i am certainly not on vacation and we get. The commissioner's cup done. Don't all right. what do we know about. The commissioner's cup not much but we have a commissioner's cup. Trophy bet. Online is the fastest and easiest way to bet on all your sports action. Baseball season is in full swing and you can track all the action at bet online. Get the latest news odds and info for all your sporting needs before the next pitch before the next puck. Drop before the next tip off head to bet online. You can use your laptop your mobile device whatever got and check out all the great sporting news sign up bonuses and contest information. Don't sit on the sidelines anymore. As this is your chance to get into the game as teams prepare for their runs to the playoffs head to the website or use your mobile device to sign up today and receive your fifty percent. Welcome bonus for your first deposit that online your online sportsbook experts. This episode is brought to you by hp whenever you do your best thinking. The hp specter three sixty is ready when inspiration strikes with power safer battery life and focus mode to multitask. You can do your best thinking whenever and wherever it happens. You can't always schedule when and where you might have a brilliant thought whether it's in the morning or before bed when you're at your computer or away from it thinking can happen anywhere anytime the hp specter x. Three sixty two and one convertible bc with windows ten saves battery life or whenever an idea hits hp specter extra sixty a more thoughtful laptop. I can't tell exactly how big this thing is by looking at it. It's got like a crown. It's like if you took a basketball but you sliced the the the crown of its head off. And then you replace it with a crown. That kind of looks like a net. But then the basketball is being cradled in something that kind of looks like a neck or like the shaft of a torch. And that's where the wnba logo is in. Its on this little podium. It's on a platform and it says. Wnba commissioner's cup. It's there there's this description here. It says is a gold plated cup that includes a crown inspired by a basketball. And so it's like exactly what i said like exactly what i said. I didn't even read this. I'm gonna tell you all right here. We go gold plated cup and eleven inch broad crown a halved nine inch wide basketball okay so now eleven inches nine inches. This thing is not very big. I don't know how how big trophies usually are but it doesn't look very big. I don't know. I dunno in grieved basketball seems and a pedestal. See that features are recessed. Wnba logo so it's like recessed. It's you know like it's in dented. Into lucia of Okay that sits upon a trapezoid shaped base. Okay that's what they used instead of shaft. But i mean they. They were probably smarter than me because i know it some of you. Do you mind out of the gutter. I know you're thinking. Richard roundtree but the thing to do with him or i guess for somebody else samuel jackson. And then there's others of you that don't even get that reference look it up anyway. it symbolizes the crowning of a champion. That's okay the crowning of a champion. After the inaugural commissioner's cup tattled. Listen y'all remember when. I had jasmine baker on dr. Remember when i had kevin from new jersey sets. Tell me why the commissioner's cup has an actual name and some thought behind this trophy and we don't even have a name for the championship trophy. Another thing that i thought was absolute trash is that i have to find this audio. I lost like at least two podcasts. I dunno audio. I was devastated gutted anyway. Doug feinberg asked. Cathy engelbert why the commissioner's cup payout is more than the payout for the wnba finals. Just so you know. Members of the winning team can also earn thirty thousand dollars per player. While those on the runner up team will have an opportunity to earn ten thousand dollars per player. An additional five thousand dollars will be awarded to the. Mvp of the commissioner's cup championship game. Four reference for reference a wnba champion bonus is eleven thousand three hundred fifty six dollars. The runner up is five thousand. Six hundred seventy eight dollars. If you lose a third round you get two thousand eight thirty nine you lose the sang around you get eighteen o three if you lose in the first round you eleven thirty six team bonuses are per player and they are only available for players who are on the roster for the last day of the regular season. This is coming from her hoop stats. I'm gonna let me just can we. What so you get thirty thousand dollars per player per player for winning. The commissioner's cup in the middle of the season and for winning it. All eleven thousand dollars over two times nearly three times as much well and best believes she never great answer. I wish i had the audio for you. But i literally just thought of that right now but yeah best believe on. You're gonna talk about it next episode. My next episode is coming out on thursday. I also wanna talk social justice thursday. Why sue bird and now said some Said some things about the anthem that while whilst understandable is still hell a disappointing end as a matter of fact is not really all that understandable at all so all that and more coming up on thursday's episode of locked domes basketball. Thank you for your patience. Thanks for writing on auntie. But i am back stronger than ever. I have some things that i hope will come to fruition. So we are going to manifest. We are going to win and we are going to hit. 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Presence ep#6 Psalm55

Presence

20:14 min | 1 year ago

Presence ep#6 Psalm55

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Olympic Updates for Team Canada and Team USA, News for the Atlanta Dream

Locked On Women’s Basketball

21:09 min | 3 months ago

Olympic Updates for Team Canada and Team USA, News for the Atlanta Dream

"In the light on podcast network you team every day. This episode is brought to you by spotify greenham. Have you ever listen to a podcast like this one and you wanted to bring up your own point or just chat with other people that are listening at the same time. Well let me tell you about spotify. Green room this is the first social audio platform may just for sports fans. The app is free to download it. And once you're in you can talk with us. Other fans athletes insiders in real time about your favorite sport or teen down. The currently available on ios devices create a profile linger twitter. Join one of the groups for the latest league updates and then you'll see us there spotify greenham changing the way we talk sports. We'll continue to see how team canada does but in just a moment we'll be talking about their counterparts team. Usa in the three by three. But first we're gonna take take a break and listen to build par bradshaw. Did you know that built bar has a water delicious. 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They have something grabs protein hundred thirty calories. They only have four to five grams of sugar and only four or five babs net carbs. So they're all tasty. all healthy. Built bar is the official protein bar of the of the us track and field team which is kind of neat. And if you go to built dot com and use the promo code locked fifteen. You'll get fifteen percent off of your order. Let him know we sent you. Use promo code loss of teen for fifteen percent off at bill dot com. Don't forget to tune into the lock dog women's basketball podcast throughout the week as well as friday conversations with howard medal. Okay let's get into team. Usa in three by three the team. That hasn't disappointed us In the olympics for anyone not familiar with the newer olympics olympic sports. The three by three hoops is basically the same three by three. That you would play at a park. It's the first team who gets to twenty one or whoever leads. At end of the ten minutes they win the game two point baskets count as one point under these rules in three counts too. I think it was. I think i can't remember exactly. I think it was was skyler. Diggins smith who said in the past. There's nowhere to hide during three by three basketball because literally all of your skills are on display. It's such a more fast paced game and before we kind of get into team. Usa has done like what do you think about like three by three. do you like it. As more appealing too short. They could so fun like it's like it just feels like especially when i watched the the. Us team like it feels like that. You just get to see like well especially the players that are on the team like kelsey. We'll get into like how they played but like kelsey plug militia gray Stepney golson laid so cool to see them like in that kind of environment where like especially odyssey especially guilty plumber. Like i feel like this game is like made for her like she just gets the score and like take people off the dribble. And do i think it was a qualifier. She threw like this crazy. Look behind the back pass and if you could just be a little more flashy and billable more fun with it like there's more room to operate that it's just so much it looked so much more fun to play like i i'd like to ask them and be like. Do you like playing three three more. Like if you could play three three like full-time would you. Like i mean. I consider it to be honest. That's actually a good question and something that i'll keep in mind but You know seventy dawson. Lisa grey kelsey club. Jackie on air now six now. They advance the semifinals. They had a twenty nineteen win. Over china. seventy dole senator lisa grey combined for eleven rebounds and grey also had three blocks now. These kinds of stats are insane to me while you just think that they're playing for ten minutes Like you said like it's just so much more find gets just do all of these things like helen or at least that way. It's so it's so cool. I like you know leash grey. Is there for her. Obviously she could play offense a little bit of like when you're on kelsey plumlee you're probably gonna be there a little bit more for the defense and like this is a leash grades against the thrive. She gets a grabher rebounds like blocker shots like she gets to be like folklore's defense you can just focus all under defense. Have more kelsey plums like having an off game. I think she like what. Oh for six. And one and one of the recent games like it's just like okay to take over and do a little bit more score now that i'm a little bit more rested offensively. It's it's so like some of the lines ridiculous. i what was it. I think When they played. Roll your Your romanian team kelsey palm had twelve points in romania had eleven times. That's okay. you're you're used to watching kelsey plug bird one of your teams. It's okay so the slanders these respects. Just i'm just telling you what has happened against your basketball team. How even during the olympic break. I can't catch a break. No absolutely not kelsey plums enrolled. Speaking of kelsey plum. She had the winning bucket against china. Shed ten points your big kelsey. Fom fan is people. Don't know that by now they Bradshaw for log is a huge fan of kelsey plum. Oh happy have you been with her. Like i get to see her will. She came back from three on three back into the w season and gave her a ton of confidence and she played incredibly again. Drake gave your team thirty two points so she played really really well and then she goes into round three again already having this competence knowing that she can do it and she's play again just playing incredibly while the guy said this game i think is made for this style of play is made for her because she was obviously an elite scorer. Like we've best history hurtling. She has the most like in college. She was fantastic. She was number one pick for a reason and obviously had a little bit of a slow start to career. This season started to get momentum going a little bit and then went three dominated in three on three and like it was just so cool. I think we've all seen the the interview after qualified where like she got really emotionally alec. Usa basketball could've abandoned her. After hercules injury. They could have said like okay. You know what we're not gonna take you back. This is a serious injury. We don't even come back from this. But she back and she like playing better than she ever has in her professional free. At least so it's it's really really cool to see peace bribing and it's just amazes. She really is like we've talked about her on the show before. She's in the running for a sixth woman of the year I i very happy to see her thriving I'm big big fan. You're you're making me become more of a fan of celtic. Even though she dropped thirty plus points against my team. I feel like i can't hate her like i can't. I don't have anything against her. She's just extremely fun to watch. And i'm very happy for this team. Usa They've got semifinals finals. Next like what our expectations for them. Are we expecting a gold medal. I feel like we're to have to their undefeated. They were close like china. Got it close but like a feeling most their games they they haven't had to struggle too much I it seems like this is their tournament to lose. I know there's like great teams and it's crazy 'cause we talk about the the. Us team the us like actually five on five team. A oh they're going to have to like mesh and like it's a little different. These three they spent like stephanie. Dole said leash gray helpful step on the court after they lost katie samuelson. The covert protocols actually lost her doesn't matter those three step into portland doesn't matter we're it's going to dominate everybody. Because i feel like that's not a game where you need to have a ton of chemistry because it's more individual based and even when they do play a team they're fun so i feel like they're just so much more talented. No disrespect disrespecting the tv so much more talented than everybody else. And i feel like it's been really fun to watch i. i'm. I'm a big fan of this. Three hundred three a sport and i and i hope that it does continue and i hope that team. Usa does get the gold medal. Because we'll at least have one team usa not letting us down my goodness my goodness coming from a romanian fan. That had one win interesting interesting. Okay let's coming up next. We're talk about the recent news in atlanta. But first let's hear from that. Online online is the fastest and easiest way to bet on all of your sports action. Baseball season is in full swing and you can track all the action at bed online. Get all the latest news and info for all your sporting needs including mlb including you have see including mma and so before the next pitch head over to bed online on your laptop or mobile device to check out all the great sporting news sign up bonuses and contest information. Don't sit on the sidelines anymore. As this is your chance to get into the game as teams prep for their runs to the playoffs head to the website or use your mobile device to sign up today and receive your fifty percent. Welcome bonus on your first deposit with promo code locked on once again. Let let them know that we sent you. Use promo code locked on bennett online. Are your online sportsbook. Experts listen to the ultimate mock draft. Tiny tiny one presented by lockdown odyssey featuring analysis from the goat. Any mock drafts. This episode is brought to you by hp whenever you do your best thinking. The hp specter x three sixty is ready when inspiration strikes with power. Save for battery life and focus mode to multitask. You can do your best thinking whenever and wherever it happens. You can't always schedule when and where you might have a brilliant thought whether it's in the morning or before bed when you're at your computer or away from it thinking can happen anywhere and anytime the hp specter extra three sixty two and one convertible bc with windows ten saves battery life or whenever an idea hits hp specter extra sixty a more thoughtful laptop. Chad ford an odyssey nba experts prien scall- ride and former general manager ryan mcdonagh. Oh it's the perfect way to get ready for the nba draft are locked on nba. Local experts will make selections and traits for your favorite basketball teams throughout this week. Long special event search the ultimate mock draft. Twenty twenty one on the new odyssey app. or wherever. you get your podcasts. Odyssey is your audio home for all the sports podcasts music. And use that matter to you. That's odyssey a u. d. a. c. y. Okay so a lot has happened in atlanta over the past. You know what. I don't even know how much time will season i was gonna give time for him but there really isn't a timeframe while start with the most recent news which happened today. Which is that they've signed. Wnba veteran candice dupree do pre was waived of from the seattle storm. A couple of weeks ago and everyone was kind of like what's going on But it's reported that the alleging have picked her up Head coach areas. Taylor who will get into later Said that he was excited to be reunited with candace after coaching. Her in college campus brings championship experience. Professionalism any great basketball. Iq to our team. She will add scoring depth instability. Our post play. We are excited to welcome future. All famer candidates to the atlanta dream quite a statement. Bradshaw what do we think about the signing. I think it's nice that he mentioned this ability to the post play i think the majority of this signing is purely for the first part which is veteran leadership and locker room presence especially after all the rumors. I don't we don't and again we don't know for sure what happened. At least i don't know for sure what happened and their locker room but obviously there were rumors of that. You know that there was a bit of a an altercation. An argument in their locker room Before the before the break. And maybe i. It's a young team like atlanta. I think most teams w are relatively young but like teams near the bottom are relatively young atlanta. You know lead by two younger players. they need a veteran presence. And i mean it's hard. It's hard to find anyone better than that than kelsey kelsey degree. My goodness sorry. Candace duprey. it's hard to find anybody better for veteran leadership. That's just free on the market to get so. I mean i. I'm sure she'll play. I'm sure she'll play some. I don't i don't think she would sign there. There was an expectation that she would play a little bit But i think this is mostly to get her in the locker room and like. Hey all i've been in the league along ask time all right. Let me let me show you. let me show. y'all how it's done. Let me show you how to be professional. Let me show you how to like. You know just win at a win at the professional and like just calm them down a little bit and just show them like hey like i. I know what i'm talking about. You got eating. Y'all to listen to me so i think it's a good sign thing. I think it's something they need. I i was. I wasn't surprised the storm. Let her go like they didn't really have a role for her There they are going to be good regardless no offense to debris but they're going to be good regardless But i i'm sure they'll i'm sure the the the dream will is it. She brings much needed Veteran presence. I know she'll give them some on-court stuff too but it's mostly for the locker room. I think i'm with you on that. I think that's something that this team you know. They've been in there rebuild in with everything that's been going on. I think they do need a voice like that in their locker room. And i think that it's a good signing in that sense. And then like i mentioned before the atlanta dream do have a new coach now. They were mike peterson. Step down because of health reasons. And he's going to be replaced by scenarious. Taylor like i mentioned before mike peterson so he said that for health seasons that wnba season will not allow him to adequately address. He's decided to step down from his coaching duties with the team. They all the players had like really nice things to say about him But what do we think about this like what's going on here. I feel like it was just a situation where he wasn't. Maybe he just wasn't ready for it. He just wasn't like he. He had to step in because nikki. Colin left so orla left so surprisingly going to baylor So i feel like it was something he like. He took on the opportunity. But it wasn't maybe something. He was fully ready for at this time. I don't want to speculate too much. I don't want to speak for him but again it doesn't sound like it was an issue of the players. Didn't respect him or you know like he was doing a bad job. I know they weren't great when he was there. But it's not like the roster he had was very good anyway so i feel like it was just i. I don't think he's lying when he says it's for health reasons. I think you just. It was a little bit more than he could handle at this time. Yeah and he is moving into a role in the front office so like you said before. There's i don't think there's any sort of bad blood or anything there at all since he still with the organization But it's definitely been quite a busy day. Like i feel like i'm just getting news after news so i did want to shout out spencer nausbaum a who. You can follow on twitter at spencer underscore. Who's been doing a great job of just kind of reporting on every single atlanta -treme news and he's done a great job of covering them and i just wanted to give them a quick shout out because that's where i've been getting a lot of my inside info. You know reporting all of that so he deserves his flowers on that. But what is kind of like the next steps for atlanta right now like candidates. They have a darius taylor who stepping up now like. How do they sort of regroup for this. I could have the season. The second half just needs to be all like just let the young players play. It's this isn't a season where you're obviously. You're not competing for a championship. That's i think that's pretty clear. I don't even think if if i was if i was in a management position there. I don't even think i'd wanna be competing for a playoffs spot at this point like it's just it's not gonna do you any good in the long run to try and make a run at a playoff spot and get in the back end of the first round and just get killed by someone so i think it's just like let the young players play figure it out. Let like let everything settled down. try again. We don't know if the suffolk kennedy carter. I like how what actually happened. But you know. Let her get her role like let her be ken. Kennedy carter and let ari mcdonald. Barry mcdonald and have candidate super. I feel a candidate. Pres almost going to be like a second coach. Like helping darius taylor like a coach on the court and like in the locker room claire coach exactly like. I don't wanna equate this too much to the nba. But like almost like you. Donnas has lem kind of role obviously candice. Dupree is a better will provide much more value on the court. That new donnas has lem does. Let me tell you right now. I don't want to disrespect duprey at all in that way but in terms of like veteran presence. That's what she will kind of be like kind of be the player coach there. So i think it's it's not a lost season. There's no lost season when you have young players like candidate carton area mcdonald but it just let them develop. Let's focus on development focus on the future and just punt the punt. Any idea you have trying to make the playoffs this year. Yeah that's such a funny comparison hiring but yeah. I mean i'm it's always a little bit disheartening. To see you know just a lot of things happen with an organization like that you always want the best for them. And i think that's a good idea. Just don't focus on making the playoffs in the second season. Just focus on getting your locker room right. Focus on getting you know everyone right. Make sure everyone knows what their role is. And what what. They're what your goals are moving forward And so. I think that's a pretty good place to wrap this up locked on women's basketball. Has you covered throughout the week. So make sure to come back here for daily episodes. This episode is brought to you by phillips one by sonacare one of your brushing with phillips one. This one is the ideal one for those who are still using an old school manual toothbrush to all those people. It's time to take your -freshing one level up. The solution is a simple one. It's the perfect timing one. It's the long lasting battery powered or usb rechargeable one. The comes in multiple colors to match. You won the one with a subscription that delivers new. Brush heads for just five dollars. Your teeth deserve this. One phillips on by sonacare one up. You're brushing learn more at phillips dot com slash one. 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Interir - Norbord

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20:56 min | 1 year ago

Interir - Norbord

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Friday Conversation: Kysre Gonrezick, Indiana Fever

Locked On Women’s Basketball

15:41 min | 2 months ago

Friday Conversation: Kysre Gonrezick, Indiana Fever

"It's lot on podcast network. You team every day. All the sports news you need every day in under twenty minutes follow locked on today today on the odyssey app. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello and welcome basketball your host howard my on twitter at locked on. Wbz make sure you're listening to all of our coverage of twenty four seven women's basketball victory also follow over at the next the next tubes dot com where we cover the women's game every single day the way deserves to be conflict and a person who continues to come up in the news both on and off the court is kaiser. Gandara zik Kaiser i wanna make sure first of all. We heard a lot of announcers. Say your name and a lot of different ways. Did i say it right and you want to set the record straight for everyone to own forward to your name should be set directly. You've come from vegetable royalty after all now it hypochondria kaiser gandara citgo tech so. Everyone keep a close year for that. Because kaiser i've been watching you dominate since you put up forty points a game in high school back in michigan and so it's nice to see your becoming a household name and you know just the latest part of that is you become in a wilson basketball ambassador You know to me. This is something where wilson's been just a significant name and best of all for a long time. I'm wondering for you. How far your knowledge. Understanding memory of wilson is The in your own best ball is now i you know. My life has been circulated around nineteen going to you know programs that are sponsored by the brand itself though always playing with you know nike baugh on. And what have you my pretty gains throughout my career. Come from playing with the wilkes amman. I don't think there a game where i didn't work than twenty five. Had you know fall. In my hand the texture outed. You know the bill It had him out and for me to convert my shot just made my whole overawe game more comfortable out there. On the court. I think the highest average floor the wilson ball with seventy points and that was back in high school that made national news and l. finding a guy wearing thin in darien lake. So seventy two points. Take me through what that feels like. Take the audience through with. That feels like to score seventy two in a game. Are you early on feeling like you know and understand. This is a special night even again. Like i said you worked forty point five obviously in your senior year of high school. Does it feel different. I didn't know that me too. But i knew. I was going to get my average martin for here. It was actually a daring a playoff game the district then my final a my senior year. When you know you win you you could you go on you lose and my book careers over and i remember the first three minutes of the game. I five dot off three. And i did not been one. My last Three pointer my been wine before the coach spotted time out. I came down in transition. Had a wide open lamp and that hoppy and referee blew the whistle plotted time out. And i start mile in running back the lacking because i do unlike okay it it game is going to be fighting the play into not only participate in but the why it the memory that i carry with me during throughout my career forever. I don't think i'll ever hit that point in my career again. But i'm happy that i was able to do it with the wilton ball in hand in the furthermore continue my legacy as an ambassador for them forward so this is not the first sponsorship. You've even had this year obviously signed with adidas earlier this This season as well. And i guess i just wonder how much you've you that not just for your own. Progress is obviously rate to see in of itself but just as a rookie in the wnba. A lead where even some of the established veterans struggled to get sponsorships. What do you think that says about where we are in twenty twenty one that here you are right away gang these opportunities to be able to do it as part of what seems like a really significant area of growth in women's sports. I'm kevin awe striker host of the locked on ravens. Podcast and attention shoppers. We now have taste in the bread. Aisle dave's killer bread. That's right in organic bread. That doesn't need three spoonfuls of saracho. John the delight your taste buds dave's killer. Bread is a 21-grade salute to end of boring bread. A brand on a mission to make the most of every loaf to read the world of gmo's and artificial ingredients and plant the seeds of good in all the day bake but dave's killer bread has done more than raise the bar on bread in fact dave's killer. Bread was bill on the belief that second chances can change lives when its founder dave. The guy with a guitar you see on every loaf return to the family bakery after fifteen years in prison. Dave took that chance and ended up creating what would become the country's number one organic bread or never forgetting his now so easy path. That's why dave's killer bread. They proudly practice second chance employment hiring the best person for the job regardless of criminal background and by the taste of it things have worked out rather well dave's killer bread bread amplified actively in gordon humbled and grateful to be a part of it. I'm and that you know people are taking a chance on me. The use my image has a platform to further expand their brand I'm just taking everything in right now. You know the the different era we live in a generation full of social media and other media platforms that weren't integrated back in the game During the time when originally started to see the growth the have the opportunity to play my role in in for the next generated. Kinda just looking to be fun. Right now And a pain any everything that i can pump the game grow. But its maximum capacity In integrity cotton show as part of that growth. Obviously it's you're on the court as well and to be the fourth overall to dead. This out paternity in. Indiana is significant but it also is a change for a player who you know as a point of personal privilege. I've watched just take over games again and again. It's adapting to playing a role here new rookie year. I wonder if you take me through what. That's been like how it's been to be planned for marianne stanley who's of course been a legend dame for a long time and how you adapt to something. That is a different role than you've had in previous years anywhere. You've been know my my rodney than haven't been on glitters gold. You know but that that's the beauty of the present that everything doesn't always happen at one and that my timing is a little bit different from god but to have the opportunity. That aren't them foremost each rafted one and been to be able to make a rock to But then to just learn. Am i think this year for me Had been more. So how. I can learn the different feed. Tactics player personnel Of the game. Having an i q and being able to obtain information quickly. I think we'll help me to grow and expand my game. A different areas that i didn't have coming into the league And understanding that it not going to happen right away. i'm so excited for for my offbeat and be said for the first time. I'm no what i need to work on. Now with someone else's telling me what i need to work on and felt could be able to be under the instruction of poach stanley and you know to good very gm and to be around the girl that actually embraced why in the hartford not only from a bath walk effective but as the team as well and just been you know very humbling variant or me and i couldn't have asked for better transition show to that end every every player typically has a rookie year of learning of developing. This is not a typical rookie year. Though in the sense that you have this. Roughly one month period. It's almost like an intermission. It's almost like a halftime right. Have you do feel like been able to work on specific areas during that time and and and what have they been Are are they things that you're need to be able to incorporate into the second half i think for me during that great. Allow me to just kinda get bill and to appreciate being nil I've been on the go for the three year with eight My ideal year Not taking time on getting in shape to prepare the your season having your season that i had in going straight from being drafted the plane and the lead. I'm kind of just been on the go but pint is enjoyed having time you know as more of a mental reprieve and to not put so much pressure on myself. You know in terms of our relationship with box. It'll being in the gym. I think for me right now is maintaining But also enjoying my downtime and enjoying the process other because like you said it doesn't normally happen. And i think not only just for me but for a lot of girls of the league this was needed especially during the time a pandemic and them trying to implement fans bags taking a great hole on all of our mental health. So being able to hasn't down time have not only allowed me to reflect on. You know my game Hawaiian welded. And how i can be better moving forward and related to that downtown being able to reach neck with family. I i know especially in one which. I might condolences for collusion your father. I mean i would imagine that made a difference to right being able to connect with people and being able to process that new way absolutely. I don't think i have had time to actually grieve to be it. And i think that an athlete you know we. We have an expectation. Not only for our marcel would front society as well And it's important for me to have that time period you know that was completely unexpected The last thing that i thought would happen to me during my last year In college and my transition to the league when he prepared me for this moment. And i noticed exactly what you would be wanting me to do an insecurity that momentum legacy of his name. It's something that i cherish with me. Moving forward not in my daily routine but every time i step on the court well as pleasure. It's been wonderful to see into watch growth and development. I just before. I let you go. The last thing i'd love to know is when we talk in a year. What is the biggest thing on your to do list that you want to have checked off to send a year from now. I've gotten this accomplished and inker me being my at blue incomplete. All bets though And sometimes we live the side of the work ethic within ourselves because we place an emphasis on it through our everything else is especially our career. I wanna become sewing. Whom with me that my continent you know sign and foreshadows and everything else that i do. I feel like the more the better yet mentally it will show in my my different aspects of the game and be able to be an ambassador for you know but elite platforms like wilson it themselves. It's important for me to be my best though because it's bigger than just me now And the the contains that use my voices in platform expand the game because my legacy will not be remembered for having me back in five eight. But how i've made me feel and to be able to have this opportunity to be an ambassador to start a partnership with wilson. I take very here in my heart. and hopefully could see my implant come to life. not just with the bother with the game itself. While noah listening to nolan who is spent any time with you during the course of your career and your meteoric rise as any doubt about why wilson has done this so kaiser. I wish you all the best of luck i know. My audience is grateful for your time as well now problem and if you wanna go get them on dot dot com the wpa store beginning They're pretty full on. And i mean fatty this episode is brought to you by spotify greenham. Have you ever listen to a podcast like this one and you wanted to bring up your own point or just chat with other people. That are listening at the same time. Well let me tell you about spotify. Green room this is the first social audio platform may just for sports fans. The app is free to download once. You're in you can talk with us. Other fans athletes insiders in real time about your favorite sport or teen download. The app currently available on ios devices create a profile linger twitter. 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