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Germany's Green Party Selects Candidate for Chancellor
"Here in Germany with the Green Party's staking its claim to lead Europe's biggest economy. For the first time ever, the greens have announced a chancellor candidate. Her name is Anna Lena Fair ball, and she aims to succeed Angela Merkel. If the Greens win September's elections, and the numbers are looking good opinion polls placed them second only by a small margin. The Angela Merkel's conservatives. With two party leaders, one needed to step aside and all but topic did so, making Anna Lena Bear book the first Green chancellor candidate ever. In her first speech, she promised a renewal in German politics. And a departure from the status quote. This is a matter of who I'm getting. We must make changes to create a fair country, a country where daycare centers and schools are truly the best places to be a country where care give us generally have the time and above all, the resource is too careful people, a country in which the state functions digitally and serves its citizens. Diverse and cosmopolitan, country values based and strong democracy. 40 year old became politically active within the Green Party in 2008, focusing on foreign and security issues. Only five years later, she entered the bonus Tak, the German parliament at the age of 32. They actually quickly and respect for her thoroughness and knowledge of detail. She has a degree in international law and spent several years abroad in the U. S. London and Brussels. She now lives in Potsdam, with her husband and their two young daughters. Best yet carefully correct Raft announcement came in sharp contrast to the bruising power struggles still going on within Germany's conservative Party. Both contenders. There were quick to react to bad books candidacy. Got a lever on Elena Congratulate Angelina Bear book, and I can promise her that this CTU in Germany is looking forward to a fair election campaign in
Leader of Merkel's Party Seeks Backing in Bid for Chancellor
"In germany. Chancellor angela miracles conservatives are a step closer to choosing their lead candidate ahead of the september election as may nicholson reports. Miracle is not seeking another term in office with the leader of merkel's christian democrats on shut in the leader of its bavarian. Sister party marcus. How efficiently announced that they are willing to stand as the conservative candidate in the bundestag election now shared is a centrist. Like merckel to him. He's always been very loyal although he has clashed with over corona virus restrictions which he is eager to ease as quickly as possible. Certa is more conservative and was against michaels open door refugee policy but during the pandemic he has supported her calls for stricter regulations the cdc s. You block is under pressure to decide on who's running ahead of the green party's own announcement sheduled for next week. The green party is doing well. In the polls unlike markle's conservatives which have plummeted in recent weeks following revelations about lawmakers profiting from pandemic p p deals
Syrian who fled to Germany 5 years ago runs for parliament
"Derek otherwise who five years ago crossed the Mediterranean and trekked north through the Balkans tools Germany fleeing the civil war in his homeland Syria is now running for national parliament since arriving along with little German found a steady job and launched a campaign to run for a seat in parliament in September he's told the Associated Press at a rally in support of asylum seekers outside the Reichstag building in Berlin where parliament seats but as the first refugee from Syria to aim for such a political appointment he wants to give a voice to refugees and migrants in Germany and five full of diverse unfair society or otherwise joined the Green Party last year and he's running as the candidate in a west German parliamentary constituency I'm Charles the last month
House to vote on removing Marjorie Taylor Greene from committees
"The House will vote on whether to strip committee assignments for Georgia Republican Congress woman Marjorie Taylor Greene over her embrace of far right conspiracy theories. Racist comments. As well as her past endorsement of violence against Democrats Speaker Nancy Pelosi says Greens party needs to speak up. You would think That the Republican leadership in the Congress would have some sense. Responsibility to this institution. Minority leader Kevin McCarthy accused Democrats of a partisan power grab for targeting
Trump campaign transfers $3 million to Wisconsin for recount
"After the two thousand sixteen presidential election green party candidate. Jill stein spent three point five million dollars on a statewide recount in wisconsin which then increased donald trump's total by one hundred thirty one votes. Donald trump called that recount a scam and called on voters to accept the results of the election today. The trump campaign wired three million dollars to the wisconsin election commission to pay for a recount of ballots. In just two of the state's counties the two most democratic counties milwaukee county and dane county joe biden beat donald trump in those two counties by a total of three hundred sixty four thousand two hundred ninety eight votes and joe biden. Beat donald trump in the state of wisconsin by twenty thousand five hundred sixty five votes today. George christianson and scott mcdonnell the clerks for milwaukee and dane counties. Said this about recounts. I'm not surprised that they selected dean and counties they certainly didn't select them for a regularities they sunk to them because they're democratic strongholds. Of course a so frustrating. You know we were trained georgia and i trained for a year and a half or more for this kind of this information from the kremlin That's what we were trying to figure out. We're gonna try to mitigate that information on it out a lot of these bo- never thought it would be coming from from ourselves from from within the united states joining us. Now is wisconsin attorney general. Josh kaul general call. Can you tell us what you expect. In this recount process and whether it will lead to any possible of election litigation trying to overturn the results. Well i the recount itself is virtually certain to confirm what we know. Which is that. Joe biden scott's by about twenty thousand votes as you mentioned before we have recount for years ago and the change in net votes for the candidates about one hundred and thirty one votes. We haven't after twenty eleven states court races. Well and kind. Statewide recounts are in the hundreds. Nothing even approaching twenty thousand boats and the trump campaign does seem to be a little confused about how this process works because in re competition they raised a variety of legal claims but the time for legal claims relating to lose the election is well before the election. There's even a doctrine that says you can't our plans to close to election because you need to have certainty about rules are now bring those arguments. After voting. his happened after ballots have been cast after about twenty thousand more. Wisconsin voted for. Joe biden voted for donald trump. It's too late for those kinds of challenges. So will this delay the certification of results in wisconsin. It shouldn't recount needs to be done by december first and that's the deadline for certifying results. So absence some sort of order or something else that interferes with process moving forward certification will have to happen on december first so it sounds like the trump campaign believes that this is not just counting votes. But it's some kind of evidentiary discovery of some sort in which they might at the end of the process. End up with a legal claim. Is that even possible. If all we're doing is counting votes. That's what they're suggesting you know. But that's not how the rejoin process works as you said a recount is about recounting the votes. It's about confirming that. The numbers were accurate. They may very well. File a legal challenge as the recounts going on or at the end of it but any kind of like that is certain to fail. We've seen the trump campaign's success in court post-election and they keep losing case after case in the reason is because their claims have no merit and if they were challenging staunton I'm confident that it would be swiftly rejected courts so attorney general. Call knowing everything you know about this The vote count as it is the recount process as it will work. Wisconsin's history with recounts the likely on numerical changes as a result of recount Would you say tonight that. We know who the winner of the state of wisconsin is. Yeah there's no question about who's won the state of wisconsin. Donald trump is basically the equivalent position. Somebody who bought lottery tickets but he's Ticket after the lottery has happened. It's it's over and we know who has won this election.
Trump campaign would have to pay nearly $8 million for Wisconsin recount
"Of Wisconsin says the Trump campaign will need to pay nearly $8 million for a vote recount. They asked for Wisconsin Elections Commission says it's ready for a recount, but that first it needs $7.9 Million from the Trump campaign recount cost estimates from the state's 72 counties that are four times higher than Green Party candidate Jill Stein's recount in 2016, the state's elections chief, Meghan Wolf, saying the increase was driven by expenses related to conducting a recount during the coronavirus. Pandemic counties have until today to certify election results, leaving the president 24 hour window to officially request to recount Jeff Mona's So.
TikTok won't be forced to shut down for now, Commerce Department rules
"Supreme court dismissed an appeal by facebook ruling that the company must remove references to defamatory comments than it made about a local politician worldwide. The case dates back to twenty sixteen when green party politician. Eva nick successfully sued to have comments removed after facebook refused to take them down. He stated from the us department of homeland security's cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency Says that the november third election in the us was quote the most secure in american history investigation determined quote. There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes changed votes or was any way compromised lot of concern about that going into the. It looks like they did pretty good on october. Thirtieth a federal court in pennsylvania issued a preliminary injunction against a us order requiring bytedance's as tiktok to either sell off or spinoff. It's us business. By november twelfth on thursday november twelfth the us department of commerce delayed enforcement of the order pending further legal developments which presumably include an appeal for the injunction than friday the us committee on foreign investment in the us issued a new deadline for bytedance to sell off. Its us tiktok operation by friday november twenty seventh which could only be enforced if the preliminary injunction is overturned by that
"green party" Discussed on The Big Story
"The. The thing about a brand association, even a really positive one is that it can be tough to change when you ask Gay Canadian about the Green Party and what it stands for ninety percent of the time you get one answer, the environment and I mean considering how much more dire the climate crisis gets every year and how many more people are ranking it as one at their top voting issues. That's probably a good thing for people to know you stand for but is that one issue? Alone Enough to give you an electoral breakthrough. See One key issue. Is enough for some incremental gains and the Greens have seen those in recent years but it might be tough for a party known for just one thing. To start winning over wide swaths of Canadian voters who care about a huge variety of issues. So, where does the Green Party go from here? It has a new leader and that's a historic accomplishment in itself that new leader has a by-election tonight to see if she'll be going to Ottawa and then win or lose, she'll be charged with creating the next iteration of the Party and for better for worse, it needs an identity beyond the environment party. So what does she plan to do about that? We're going to ask her. Jordan Rawlings this is the big story. Enemy Paul is the new leader of the Federal Green Party of. She joins us now hello, Ms Paul Lo, I want to ask you because the vote is tonight. And you've you've spoken about this do you think there should be a vote tonight? Well, I said, it's near the beginning, not right at the beginning but certainly once we'd headed back into stage to that. These are not the conditions for a fair accessible and democratic election we had been told that to stay inside is still being told to remain inside as much as possible avoid contact with anyone outside of our immediate household, and one of the best things we've done during this period is to actually respect observe what public health authorities are telling us so. Bathroom, it was disappointing to have to have an election under these circumstances. It wasn't necessary. But we're here we are. How have you been campaigning over the last few weeks in in the writing because I imagine it's very different from years past it is very different and mostly not in good ways you know I would say there are two parts to do a really democratic election the versus getting to know your candidates the second voting So in terms of getting to know your candidates I, mean we haven't been able to we don't have a physical office because that's not safe and we have not done any door knocking because that's not responsible and so we had to do things very differently. I'm doing a lot more social media a lot more advertising in local newspapers I a lot of phoning. I've be trying to get as many M. as many media. Interested in the campaign as possible but none of that really substitutes for that once one in person contact. That really is the the the retail politics of running in an election. I WanNa ask you a little bit during this interview about your vision for the Party and and how you feel the party is by Canadians and what should or shouldn't change about that. So I guess. Begin by asking you, do you remember the first time? The you became aware of the Green party politically and and how you saw it and how it was seen Dan by Canadians. I think I became aware of the Green Party in the two thousands I would say that it's you know as let's say aware but not aware. I mean, you know my eyes were fully opened I would say during my years living abroad in the two thousands when I saw green parties emerging and becoming real a real force in lots of different countries, I was very interested to know the reasons why people had chosen finally to vote for the Green Party I became really interested in their model and when I was coming back to Canada I I knew I wanted to join a political party. I wanted to be involved in that kind of collective action and I looked at the Green party very obviously, very very carefully because it seemed based on what I'd seen abroad that it was going to be the one most aligned with with my values and with the way that I think politics should be done. What did you see in the green parties abroad that you either didn't see or wanted to see a in the party when you came back to Canada I I would say that I wasn't so much. It wasn't so much a comparative thing as. A lot of good stuff. You know I saw a diversity party politics in. In. Europe tends to still be extremely white and where there was more diversity, it was usually coming from the green parties You know there was a green member of the UK parliament's who's the Molly refugee and he was represented the UK There are Turkish people with elected positions in Germany as well. That was really exciting to be seeing that diversity of perspectives of the Green Party was bringing. I found that governments had green party partners. Our more collaborative, much more focused on people and far less partisan as those were things that just in general in Canadian politics, all of those things are missing. All of those things would be great and so it seems to me that there was they had struck on a model that that big things to life you know. So we're like five minutes into this interview so far, and we're talking about the Green Party and we haven't said the words, the environment yet. And I think that you know you can dispute this if you want. But you know vast majority of Canadians would respond with the environment. If you ask them what the Green Party stands for most, and so what I want to know from you is first of all, are you happy about that that association and How do you move beyond that I? Absolutely happy that. Association a there is no question. Nothing has changed. The climates is in crisis we have climate crisis, a climate emergency. The pandemic has not changed that, and I say that we can't forget about the climate emergency because it hasn't forgotten about us. That's for sure and so to have a party that continues to make sure that we're investing in knowledge in the area that we're developing innovative policy. And that we're making. That we're making sure that we continue to push towards reducing greenhouse gases is very, very important and will always remain important until we succeed that being said, this is a moment where it's clear that people are taking the Green party because of its social policies. Many of the things that we were talking about exactly this time last year, we had an election. On October the twenty last year at the twenty third. So it's just a year and last election in Toronto. Center I was about universal farm universal post-secondary education, decriminalizing illicit drugs and creating a safe supply, affordable housing guarantee, livable income, and had we had those things in place during the pandemic we would have been safer. would have been more resilient as oh. Yes I think we have a moment now with a new leader to have a new. Conversation, with people in Canada about yes always the environment and the climate but also about our.
"green party" Discussed on Front Burner
"You're inherently racist when it comes to black music and his country this is not a drake podcast available now on CBC listen or wherever you get your podcasts. I am speaking to you at a moment of grave crisis. I'm Jeff. And this is recall it's a series about history, not the ancient past but history that still hot to the touch. In this first season I explore a revolutionary political movement that brought a modern democracy to the brink. You can find recall how to start a revolution on the CBC listen. Or wherever you get your podcasts. I WanNa ask you a bit more about the the direction of the Green Party under your leadership I mean you won this leadership contest on the eighth ballot you out Dmitri Lescar. By just over two thousand votes and he's a self described ECO socialist, every single member of society. Has a reasonable opportunity to achieve his or their potential, and that means having the basic necessities of life guaranteed to them housing. Education Healthcare Food and security and access to information that they need in order to exercise their political rights. You've been described as having a more centrist visit vision for the party and I wonder if you see that as a fair description. I said the end you know I am someone who because I am a green you know in a good green I hope I tried to be cooperative and collaborative, and I'm really not at all seeking a confrontational style of politics. I really think that everyone loses out with that as so I really resisted talking about this time a certain point I got frustrated and just said look you know as a woman of color in this world I am very accustomed to being a defined by others and my having my agency taken away from me. But I'm perfectly capable of speaking for myself in defining myself, and so I was with all respect I could be allowed to do that. You know in terms of the Green Party I joined the Green Party, I'm leading the green. Party because I am absolutely convinced that is the most progressive party in Canadian politics and has the most progressive policies period, and so you know in terms of being a on the most progressive side of politics. I don't even know what that term centers means in that context. So I'm very comfortable with our policies that our members have approved and developed. We're going to have a policy convention. Next year is going to be great. And I will be proud I'm sure to represent those policies as well because I know, they're going to be the most progressive policies. We know, of course, one of the or the central issue for the Green Party is around climate change. And that's something that has obviously is a huge concern to Canadian certainly pre pandemic. But but we've seen obviously a shift in that during the pandemic. Concerned with health issues with economic issues. How would you like to see the being party pushing this issue back into the spotlight giving given everything else that's going on right now. You know. As you said that has lost a lot themselves. During this period I am extremely aware and sensitive to the needs. Of Canadians and this moment, the urgent concerns they have, we know that there's a spike, a significant and very serious spike in opioid deaths during this period because the during the period of the pandemic, we know a lot of people have lost their work and so on and so I'm very aware of all of that at the same time and I would say most. Most importantly, we still have to remember that the climate emergency has not gone away and so again when we looked to the speech to from the throne, what I wanted to hear was the government say we know you are preoccupied with these urgent things but don't worry we got this under control. You know while this is going on and while you're you're focus on other things, we are going to help you and at the same time, make sure that we are not forgetting about this urgent urgent crisis and that's what leadership looks like and I think Canadians would have really responded to that I think actually they were waiting to hear that from the government Another issue you've talked about is the need to address the stomach racism in in policing. And policing and beyond what kinds of conversations and actions are you hoping to start around this issue? So I was. Really, proud yesterday when Paul Manley our our MP from nine Ladysmith presented the petition that we had launched during our campaign. This one is about emancipation day you're having it recognized as a national holiday but the reason that I mentioned it is that you know we have such a tremendous amount of work as still left to do in Canada to to reconcile and address our our legacy. Of colonialism part of that begins by recognizing that that we did have slavery in this country and the legacy that has produced a four indigenous peoples and Black Canadians, and so I we have to understand our history and and what it has caused, and then we have to begin to dismantle that legacy, and so we talked in our campaign about dismantling systemic racism across systems but particularly. In the criminal justice system as an urgent need we need to have more oversight civilian oversight of police saying we need to have a national database that has disaggregated data so that we understand the scale of the issue that we need to be seeking.
"green party" Discussed on The Current
"Eight candidates, eight rounds, and the Green Party has a new leader after fourteen years. She is enemy Paul a lawyer from Toronto and she joins me now and Paul Good Morning. Good morning congratulations. Thank you so much what was it like hearing the Interim Green Party leader Joanne Roberts announced you as the new leader. This listening to it. There you know. She has a great deliveries file. you know it's it's it's humbling and you feel a sense of responsibility immediately and being a woman of color being woman of a first generation. Canadian. Are you also feel a sense of history? So it's it's a lot in in just a few seconds. How did you win? You beat at seven other candidates? Why do you think you want and how did you win? We won by just working extremely hard all the time I was telling our team yesterday. You can know that every single thing that you did throughout this campaign, every phone call every event that you organized every time you work woke up early it all made a difference at all mattered because as you said, there were so many rounds and I really do believe that I green. Party. Members just responded to our message, which was all about making sure that we continue to be what we are, which is the most daring party in Canadian politics the most innovative party in. Canadian. Politics and I believe that they you know they really felt that I was committed to that. You've made history already as you mentioned, you're the first black woman, the first woman to lead a federal political party. What does that mean to you? It means to me that is going to be easier for the next one and the next one and the next one, and I would say that the most the most touching and emotional part of all of this is really all the people who have contacted me on social media by by email texting me to say that this has made a difference in terms of..
Wisconsin Supreme Court rejects Green bid for ballot access
"The Wisconsin Supreme Court is keeping the Green Party off the November presidential ballots. In a 4 to 3 decision. On Monday, the court ruled that the Green Party waited too long to challenge the Elections Commission decision that kept them off the ballot in the first place. It states that quote it is too late to grant petitioners any form of relief that would be feasible and that would not cause confusion and undo damage. The three votes against were from the courts. Conservative justices Chief justice patients. Rogan Sachs says the motion suppresses people's rights to vote while Justice Rebecca Bradley argues that this is akin to disenfranchising black voters in Alabama during the 1960, Wisconsin radio networks Raymond Newport
Wisconsin's top court keeps Green Party off ballot, allows absentee balloting to resume
"Can again be printed in Wisconsin after the state Supreme Court ruled Green Party candidate Howie Hawkins would not appear on the ballot. Brian Clark ABC News
Wisconsin Supreme Court says mailing of absentee ballots should be halted
"Put absentee ballots on hold. The order comes as part of a lawsuit filed by Green Party presidential candidate Howie Hawkins. He claims the Wisconsin Elections Commission is keeping him off of the ballot. Kanye West is also trying to get on the ballot after the commission rejected him. Municipal clerks have until September 17th to mail ballot species. Ryan Burrow, the National Institutes of
Aleksei Navalny Out of a Coma and Responsive, German Doctors Say
"Poisoned Russian opposition leader Alexey Navales condition has improved allowing doctors to take him out of an induced coma. The German hospital treating him said, Monday Navan any of high profile critic of Russian President Vladimir Putin was flown to Germany last month after falling ill on August twentieth on a domestic flight in Russia. German chemical weapons experts say tests show the forty, four year old was poisoned with the Soviet era nerve agent prompting the German government last week to demand that Russia investigate the case. The patient has been removed from his medically induced coma and is being weaned off mechanical ventilation. Sherry t hospital said in a statement. He is responding to verbal stimuli. It remains to early to gauge the potential long-term effects off his severe poisoning. It added that the decision to publicly released details of his condition was made in consultation with Navales wife. Nirvana had been in an induced coma and the Berlin hospital since he was flown to Germany on August twenty seconds for treatment news of his gradual recovery came as German Chancellor Angela Merkel's office indicated that she might be willing to rethink the fate of a controversial German Russian gas pipeline project a sign of Berlin growing frustration over Moscow's stonewalling about the case. German authorities said last week that tends showed proof without doubt that Nevada any was poisoned with a chemical nerve agent from the Nova Chalk group British authorities identified the Soviet Era Nova Chuck as the poison used on former Russian spy Sergei script. Paul and his daughter in England in two thousand eighteen. Russia. has denied the Kremlin was involved in poisoning. All knee and accused Germany failing to provide evidence about the poisoning that it requested in late. August. German. Foreign Minister Heiko Moss said Sunday that the Russian reaction could determine whether Germany changes its long-standing backing for the Nord Stream two pipeline which brings Russian gas to Germany under the Baltic Sea bypassing Ukraine. The chancellor also believes that it's wrong to rule anything out MERCKEL spokesman Stephane. Siebert told reporters Monday after being asked about mosses comments. Previously Merckel had insisted on decoupling the of all case from the pipeline project which the US strongly opposes in August three US Republican senators threatened sanctions against the operator of a Baltic. Seaport located in Merkel's parliamentary constituency for its role as a staging post for ships involved in building Nordstrom to Siebert caution that it was premature to expect Moscow response to the matter within a few days. But made it clear that Berlin wants answers soon? I can't express a clear time-limited station except that we are certainly not talking about months or the end of the year he said. German diplomats rejected the Russian suggestion that Berlin was to blame for any delay in investigating the case noting that navalny was I treated for suspected poisoning in the Siberian city of. On August twentieth. All evidence witnesses, traces, and so forth are in the place where the crime was committed presumably somewhere in Siberia said German Foreign Ministry spokesman Christopher Burger. The CO leader of Germany's opposition Green Party Robert Habat called on the government to take a stronger stance and buried the pipeline. The project divide Europe it is economically nonsensical and oversized, and it is wrong in security policy terms harbut said. Completing it would mean that Russia can do what it wants. This signal must not be sad. Mikhail Lubinov. The Russian envoy international organizations in Vienna voiced suspicions about the timing of demands to link the pipeline with an ovonic. Ace. Suspicious Coincidence Nevada case and the final stage of Nord Stream two construction which some states desperately wants to be closed I am not fond of conspiracy theories, but it is obvious that the tragic events with the Volney are very timely and helpful for opponents of Ns to he tweeted.
US high court denies bid to restore Greens on Montana ballot
"Hi Mike Ross you're reporting the Supreme Court denies a Republican bankrolled effort that threatened to siphon votes from democratic candidates in Montana the U. S. Supreme Court has denied a bid by the Montana secretary of state to restore Green Party candidates to the November ballot Republican secretary of state Corey Stapleton filed a motion Monday to stop a state Supreme Court order that granted the request of more than five hundred sixty people to remove their names from ballot petitions justice Elena Kagan died Stapleton's motion the Republican Party bank rolled the one hundred thousand dollars signature gathering effort and violated finance laws by not reporting it the Montana Green Party did not support the effort hi Mike Rossio
How the U.S. electoral process works
"The congress is convened on January sixth. Okay. So three weeks before the president to a half weeks before the president takes the oath of office The new Congress is already in session. Okay and that is the Congress as voted by the twenty twenty elections right. So almost certainly will be a democratic house and looks like increasingly better chances that that may be a democratic Senate. In the event and then under the Twelfth Amendment the electoral votes have to come in by December fourteenth. If two hundred, seventy votes do not come in for one presidential ticket. Here's what happens. On the vice presidential side, you take the top two electoral vote getters and they go to the Senate where it is one person one vote. So that will be Mike Pence. And Joe Biden I, her Mike Pence and Joe Biden's running mate will go to the Senate and each senator just gets to vote and if you're asking does the Vice President Mike Pence get devoted himself to break the tie no, he does not the Twelfth Amendment and again just clarifying this is the twenty twenty Senate not the this is the twenty twenty, seven current she hasn't Tom may gap Social Gotcha Yep requires a majority of the whole number of senators that is fifty one. So in other words if the Democrats recapture three votes in the Senate. Right that would make it fifty fifty, and then the question is, do I think Mitt? Romney would vote for Comma Harassm Realism Warren or whatever? Over Mike Pence I think probably he would break that tied, right wow. So. But anyway, I but what happens to? If it's a tie you keep voting. UNTIL IT'S NOT A. It's not a tie right we might not have vice president then. If. That is conceivable and we'll talk about that in a second. Okay then. But. But that is how you get a vice president right? Pretty straightforward take the top two people not going to be anything weird none of the like there. There will be faithless electors I wanNA talk about the bucket decision we're going to do that on opening arguments. There's some nuances here but it, but it strikes me that The while they're states prohibited it strikes me that we probably will have faith faithless electors but doesn't matter for the. Top Top to top to yeah now. Here's what that same amendment right lasers. The next sentence here's how the president works. You take the top three electoral vote getters. Okay. and but it must be you must have more than zero right so it's going to be trump biden and some goof-ball. Juergen. Well No. Because nobody none of the faithless electors I think are gonNA vote for like the Libertarian or the Green Party or whatever. But like some goofball who's pledged to Biden. is going of vote like for Jon Huntsman or something, and like you're, you're GONNA get a third wildcard candidate in. Are there no states that will give proportional? Electoral votes if there there are states that do proportional electoral votes but like None of those garbage third party candidates are gonNA proportional and get an elector. So If, no faithless electors it will just be top two. If there are if electors, it will be top three by the way. Of like in the VP, choice if you had if if let's trump had two hundred, sixty electoral votes, Biden had a hundred and Jorgensen had one hundred I know you and actually take those top three right like it in the event of a tie, all the ties everybody who's tied for second place gets to go in the. The president, it says the persons having the highest numbers, not needing three on the list of those voted so. What happens if it is to sixty to forty one and one Literally we. Have No. IDEA. Seems like you'd have to flip a coin toss. Back it was eighteen to. Four when this? Maybe a dual. Possibly have to check it out. So top three go in and the votes are not as you as you suggested, are not one person one vote in the house but are in fact, each state gets to vote as a state comprised of its internal delegation. So in other words, right if a state has seven members of Congress therefore, four Democrats and three Republicans than that state will cast one vote for the Democrat assuming everybody votes on party lines.
Rapper Kanye West files documents with federal electoral commission
"People have been hitting me some on Twitter at Mr Mo Kelly. Am R M o k E l L Y and some have been hitting me on instagram at Mr Mo Kelly. Saying that Hey, Mo. Because news broke today that Kanye West Air quote Filed a document with the Federal Election Commission today. Which makes the presidential campaign air quotes. Riel. And when you file your paperwork with the Federal Election Commission, you can then raise money. For your candidacy. But pay attention to the particulates in the details, and this is coming from Fox News. Fox News obtained the rapper statement of Candidacy Candidacy document which list his party affiliation, as you know. Either Republican or Democrat or Green Party. Libertarian. No enlisted as BT Y. Which stands for birthday party. And the committee's name is also listed on the document as Kanye 2020. In other words, it's a super PAC. It's not actually him and the document was filed one day after a statement of organization was submitted to the S E C with West name honor. We talked about that yesterday. Do you know how much money this presidential campaign air quotes has raised so far? $5000. Are you to suggest that if Kanye West were actually running for president He could only muster up $5000.5000 dollars. I'm quite sure they can get $5000 at a Kindle Jenner's piggy bank. They could get $5000 in the sofa at the Kardashian with household They can get $5000 just by sneezing. What you're saying that if this is an actual real campaign, they only have $5000 in this account. Don't even take my word for it. I always say, Look at the other indicators. If you were to go to Kanye West Twitter right now, and it's e why E. That is his Twitter account. You will notice that he has nothing to say about anything. He's not accommodating about politics. He's not commenting on anything going on in entertainment. He is not even really. Tweeting. He has no visible presence in a media sense at all anywhere. We could go back in speculators. Two reasons why, but it is indicative of someone who's not actually running for president. And I'm quite sure their political forces out there who would like to turn this into something to possibly siphon off votes from one or the other presidential Candice the legitimate ones. Sometimes on on General Election Day. It's not gonna happen. Maybe Kanye West gets on. Two or three states on the ballot. It's not going to impact anything, and I know people are are wishing this to be rial for whatever reasons maybe Europe Kanye West Music fan. Maybe you're just wanting for some sort of chaos. And you hopefully will have Kanye West in the midst of everything and make it difficult for either Joe Biden or President Trump. Maybe you're just rooting for that, because we live in a time where Chaos is the order of the day. Every single day. Something strange seems tto happen within our politics. And so this may be easy to root for is easy to root for the car record, the train wreck or something which you know, because it is 2020
"green party" Discussed on Don't Worry About The Government
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"Wants the credit for the green new deal, even though we can. Kind of vocals in that you have before. But Anyway Well they there's a term called the green new deal. They used it. So did I. Write the same thing. They want the credit for the green new deal with. They're not willing to give behind the candidate. That we can even consider a being able to generate the rhetoric. That would be needed to to not only speak to the voting public that the congress. I mean think about the legislative. Chops of FDR. LBJ With these giant monumental legislative tasks on their hands, and the green new deal wants credit I'm sorry, the Green Party wants credit. For. Coming up with some good branding I'll I'll give them. The green new deal is excellent branding. I don't know how much you've stumbled upon that, or but then it also speaks to their weird relationship with FDR ISM right like in one breath. They like FDR and they liked new deal. Style politics in the other breath FDR was a capitalist and a centrist in a triangulated who needed a leftist Valence Force like Huey. Long and other Father Coughlin other people calling for different socialist style programs. To pull him to the left so. They're like well. We like the deal Democrats, but then we don't like them. or they all got old and they left and now these Clinton. Democrats, are there and they're bad? They can't seem to make up. Their mind on. The sales missed the big part of FDR. ISM which is you have to be a capable administrator so the thing they probably hate the most min- the kind of talk about this and we hate the deep state. They don't say deep state they. They talk about you know the rotating door of the corporations in the military industrial complex, and all that stuff but FDR basically introduced of the Burien like bureaucracy to use my fancy turns us just Max vapors concept of like the bureau that became really popular in the nineteen twenties, and became what the professional managerial class of one hundred years ago read and then when they assumed government. That's kind of what created our modern system of bureaus, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Like this sense of bureau is like FDR broad and really capable managers, and that's the other problem for the Green Party. They seem to have a culture that does not have the ability to. They want. Credit for creating legislation that they wouldn't be able to. To legislate themselves like we can't administer it. It was just the job of the executive branch the administrative branch. If you can't actually administer the law, it does no good to pass the law. I. I'm kind of added impasse here with. Like. A sort of hopeful when I know that there is a group within the Green Party. That at least has there is on the right prize like a does really give me. Goose bumps live when when I think of What if this way?.
"green party" Discussed on Don't Worry About The Government
"Are Your Dad Brian. You've got seven and a half minutes and you can begin in five seconds of seven and a half minutes. Okay I mean I would maybe address this cross pressuring thing that Sean bringing up lottery or helping out the people. Oh Man I it's dangling out there I being. I think that it needs to be addressed all right so I I know. I've brought sort of tangent here as the I think. The Green Party is experiencing the spoiler label Much more often than the the Libertarian. Party is ever experienced it. They've never had had to defend themselves on this turf. And so I guess I'm presenting sort of what's what you would call a a handicap argument of. The Green Party deserves a little bit of credit. Just for getting through this spoiler effect dynamic and the Libertarian Party deserves. You know. There's no quarter for them because They haven't had to explain themselves. I mean I I know that Sean and I can have a very long conversation. About how deserved the spoiler effect label is but it's a very short conversation with how it generates a negative connotation upon the voting public I think we both agree. That is very hard to overcome that The once the spoiler Labor labels upon you and so when you have the Ralph Nader Florida moment and then you have the Jill Stein. Twenty sixteen moment These are moments that you How you have to look at both of these parties and and how How deserve it? They are at still playing. Small Ball. The Green Party has some excuses. The Libertarian Party has no excuse at all I I can't I can't added up at all. the The fact that you can also have a figure of Oh hold on. Let me backtrack Also just playing off of Donald Trump. I'm going to go ahead and say that in past and just in past conversations with Sean Frieder he would affiliate himself with a rather of progressive minded agenda He's he's interested in things like health care and climate change at least being in the conversation So now you have the Libertarian Party. And you have the Libertarian. Party playing off trump It should be very easy to play off of trump. It should be so easy to play off trump that you can be the Democrats and nominate Joe Biden to play off trump right The the democratic establishment had anyone to pick and they figure Joe Biden's This is such an easy thing to do that. That that Joe Biden could do it. Okay so so now you have the Libertarians who can also play off. Donald trump in ways that the green party really can't do The Green Party has to play off of the corrupt Democratic Moderate Establishment It's a lot easier or it should be a lot easier to play off of Donald Trump Case in point The dimmer the DNC nominated. Joe Biden. Okay so And with that said the libertarian. Party has is still as as such a corner To to try and carve out the this group of voters And now you have Justin Amash falling into your laps And I just don't think that The the Libertarian Party has shown after succeeding to a minor degree with Ron Paul. And then it that that that power winnowing away and Having a a a group like the Libertarian Party who can't reflect upon that failure and now have just a mosh fall into your lap and capitalize upon that moment It it's just it really is a shame Let's see here. Well saying we're in the habit of just breaking into people's speech patterns and and and talking about our own. I. I'd like to quickly responded at like. I'd like to respond to this handicap argument. I agree let's let's give Libertarians Handicap. How much should they be given a handicap for something? That's a little bit harder than like. Maybe they should be expected to do twice as good. That seems a little outrageous even but let's hold them that standard they'd be able to do twice as good as the Green Party and twenty sixteen. Vote Gary Johnson. Three Point two eight percent of the vote Jill Stein. One point zero seven percent. They do not two times better. They do three times better and they do so. Without spoiling their own side. Yes the Greens get one third of the vote of the Libertarians. And still fucking managed to spoil their own side. So I say handicapped. Yes but beating the handicapped. No okay Thank you for. I believe we're on the same page now. I.
"green party" Discussed on Don't Worry About The Government
"Somehow Libertarians. Get a rand Paul To support Gary Johnson okay. So he's supporting supporting the Libertarian candidate. When it really doesn't matter and what's going on twenty twenty now rand Paul. They've they've lost the Libertarian Endorsement for Rand Paul. He's endorsing Kathleen Wall. Who's a trump republican? So that's type of dynamics. That the Libertarian. Party in invest their endorsement You know a key. Endorsement capital with Rand Paul. Only for it to fail upon itself. You have thirty more seconds to do with as you well okay so Yeah the Libertarian. Party is the bigger joke let's see I don't really blame Johnson for not being ready for an Aleppo moment. I really blame his staff or not preparing him to answer foreign policy questions. He's the governor of New Mexico and the Libertarian Party. Didn't provide in these things. This is why this is someone who should this is a party who should be in that summing higher. I and that is tight and that it's time Sir I'm GonNa really put my foot down you had had you had so many warnings. You had so many warnings really tested me. They're really testament. Sean Frieder Cross Examination. Round seven and a half minutes. It is yours. You may begin in fifteen seconds. Well Chris gave me fifteen seconds. I don't need it. Let's dive right in okay. So we start by talking a little bit about Gary Johnson and Gary Johnson had his embarrassing Aleppo moment while Jill. Stein would like to see your Aleppo moment with her. Get READY FOR. Aleppo moment moments. Which is that after. Gary Johnson had his Aleppo Moment Steiner released a video mocking Johnson for not knowing any world leaders. Well she'll Stein knows a few world leaders that she admires rattling off list of politicians not a single one of whom are actually the leaders of their respective countries so just as he was embarrassing himself for that she was embarrassing herself for something similarly and also double embarrassing herself for the fact that she also had the same weakness in foreign policy that Gary Johnson did so revealing herself to be if if if if he's clowns she's clown plus and that's that's a big problem for this argument that Johnson who is a former governor of New Mexico compared to a seat on the Lexington County Board is somehow it. Embarrassment to the Libertarian Party. Were she's not the bigger embarrassment now as I was saying in response to Brian during his questions. Libertarian party sure could they have done better with the momentum they have of course they could but as I say if captured a lot of the online zeitgeist used to be if you look back at where people were on this two by two grid these quadrants upper right. Meaning that you have a more authority. If they're thorough Teheran US high social conservatives in high economic conservatism bottom left the opposite the bottom right libertarians. The upper left sort of the authoritarian. Left if you will. Well the biggest growth quadrant over the past four years has been the shift from the upper right or the upper left hand quadrant to that lower. Right hand libertarian quadrants. That shows me. I don't think that they're squandering their time. In fact they seem to be reaching a lot of people and there seems to be a lot of opportunities for growth for the Libertarian Party. And in fact the. Greens have squandered what could be a great deal of momentum because where is the youth movement right now? The youth are surrounding candidates that are talking about the values of the grains have been talking about forever and they still can't attract him. Now you could say it's difficult to attract people that are stuck in the middle of the one position of one group. They're just pulling off Democrats. That are two left to feel like they're in the Democratic Party. Well yeah that's also a very stupid strategic decision making the Greens. A bigger joke. The Libertarians clever clever clever. They decided to go after the cross pressure. People that are right in the middle they don't fully lineup on their social and economic news green. Say you know what people really want something with even more to the left than the Democratic Party and they do poorly as a result. Now I have one question for Brian in terms of permeating the cultural zeitgeist simple question. Yes or no question you remember that. Moment in the Libertarian Debate. Where they all were arguing over whether or not we should have driver's licenses. I don't remember much since trump kinda like ruined my new cycle brain but Oh blended trump heart and it's a little destroyed the memories. I believe that this happened Chris you remember this moment. Oh Yeah of course yes. Yeah well this. This was in the news. This permeated the Cultural Zeitgeist. We all heard about that. Hey do you guys remember that one really crazy interesting moment from the Green Party debates? Oh that's right there are none. No one knows what happens in these things because no one gives a shit about the Green Party. No one pays attention. Yeah they're doing. They don't even get covered in joke news. So as I said my opening statements Libertarians might be clowns and that might be embarrassing for them but Greens they're lacking anything they're lacking even the entertainment value so the final point. I'd like to make your with my time. And this is the point that I couldn't squeeze into my first round because I was rudely deeply offended by my interruption by the moderator but the point that I would like to make and this is the most important point that I have to offer anyone here. Is that the Libertarians. Haven't spent the last twenty years shooting themselves in the damn foot while the green the green of successfully spoiled to elections in two thousand and Two Thousand Sixteen Glass Twenty Years. Twelve years of Republican rule is the responsibility of the Greens. Now you might say Ralph Nader's form candid not true he's reform and he was endorsed by the Green Party. Green Party in two thousand Sixteen Fifty Jill Stein notes you add them up and you add Bernie Sanders just in Pennsylvania. Donald trump no longer wins the election. If you give those votes over to Hillary Clinton so they have not only not advance their position but they have actually led to all of the policies that they dislike most dominating the last twenty years of our political life so to me. There's nothing more pathetic than a party. That not only cannot give itself power but ends up giving power to the party at least agrees with. You have Minute and forty five seconds. Chris. I'm so goddamn coughing my position. Take them back. What even Brian can have him. Wow Brian you have one minute and forty five seconds. Thank you I am glad that Sean. Got To the spoiler effect. Okay And that is a big hurdle that both of these parties have had differing relationships with the Green party through no fault of their own Based on electoral outcomes In in swing states that they weren't a manufacturing there have been too large moments in the last twenty years twenty ish years Chris up moderator. Feel free to correct me on Florida. George Bush a good grief. That was two thousand and thank you in the last twenty years. The Green Party has had two different huge moments where they have received Been The unfortunate benefactor of the most unfortunate third-party optics. You can imagine these spoiler effect having to explain why your vote in a certain swing state has has has ruined the of someone that you're supposed to be Marginally ated with Being you know for instance Florida with George Bush and the swing states in two thousand sixteen. the Libertarian. Party has not had to explain themselves in this way. There has been no swing state situation where the Republican has lost and so then the The GOP fee Folks who are who are considered move. Moving over to the Libertarian Party. They don't have to feel a frustrated with with these with these moments This should be much more organic brook. Okay Pal all right. Plenty plenty enough. It's around three moderator's questions in this round. I have ten minutes to do with as I will. Could I distribute the time evenly between the two competitors possibly mud? I go where the wind takes me. I'll go was as I please. I do as I please shut frieder. Let's begin with Chris. I I'm watching the clock right now because I don't trust you on ten minutes. It's one o'clock at one ten buddy. It's all a whole whole on a whole lot. You just interject ten seconds. I'm going to begin. I'm not going to be pushed around here. Yeah Yeah Okay All. Right Sean. Frieder you sean. You say you keep referencing this. Push PULL OF YOURS. This push pull. That has made its way around the Internet. But we all know that it's a push pull on Frieder and every time it leads you to think that you're a libertarian. You later Roo is once you get back out out of the influence of the push. Poll that you're not actually libertarian. Your maybe a Republican was some libertarian. Leadings or Democrat with some libertarian leanings. So this whole crush argument. I think it's crap. I got two responses that the first is. I'm glad you say that Chris Because I agree with the Libertarian. Full is not meant to actually reveal where you sit on these different parts of the spectrum. It's purposely meant to confuse you into thinking that you're libertarian. Well me just being a modest political observer thinking it's probably a good thing for political parties to find ways to get people into their party even if they don't belong there and to me when I see the genuine growth of that bottom right hand quadrant ideology which I'll get to in a second. I see a little small worlds political quiz. That might have had something to do with that now for a lot of people maybe as you say the effect wears off as soon as you finish taken the quiz but there's some people that think. Hey that libertarian. Party apparently identify with them. Maybe I should go check them out and I think some of them actually do now. My second point is that as far as do people actually occupy that bottom right hand quadrant. Well it turns out. They didn't but they do now and this is not coming from their dumb little or rather clever little quiz. This is coming from different set of questions. That are much more robust. Asked on regular pugh Gallup polls that puts you on the quadrant using better questions and when you do this you find out that people did not use to be in quadrant for down Bhattarai quadrant but they are now and so I will say again sir. That world's smallest political quiz might not work on everyone. Fool most people in the long run but it has peeled awesome people. And that's me. Sounds like a pretty clever political party to how to weaponize Internet quizzes. Okay all right all right well. Here's the next part of this. Then the Libertarians are essentially the poster children for all the bad decisions of course the Greens have the anti vaccine thing. They share that with Jill Stein and they've been preamble. Don't trust the vaccines and all that. But the Libertarians are the poster children the CO video hits whenever you see the cove idiots out there protesting for the right to get Cova. They're wearing the libertarian. Don't tread on me flag and they're talking about liberty some of the dumbest ideas in modern society right now are associated with this dumb libertarian impulse and I think it's a weight that makes them a huge joke. What say you now to that on a give you an analogy for those that? Watch the good place. there's the people that run hell. There's the people that run heaven now. The people that run hell are unambiguously pieces of shit. It's obvious that they are. They constantly do horrible things to one another. They are efficient about.
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"With bill? Well that's two former governors. Count them one. Two and in twenty twenty they're attracting a fiery man who is actually about a lot of support out there in the World Justin Mosh. He might end up. Being the libertarian. Party's nominee if that happens you have someone that actually has some respect down the political world so libertarians. Although they're not great they've done a lot. Better in the Serena now the second point is just a straight match up election performance over time you look at the House races across history. This is all true. The Greens have never cracked point. Four seven percents on a national ballot. Meaning you add up all the races you average together point. Four seven percent is their all time high score for that average now libertarians. They beat that point. Four seven percent eighty percent of the time so they always you better than the Greens year and they do better than the Greens have ever done. Eighty percent of those years. They also have a single affiliated. House member down in the Mosh. So that's something there on the board in the Senate. Greens have never cracked one percent. Not what's on the national ballot? Libertarians cracked that one percent all the time forty percent of the time to be exact and again every single year they do better by the Greens and almost won a Senate seat in Alaska in two thousand sixteen lost four percents Libertarians. Run close in some of these things. In state elections. The Greens have held zero seats in twenty twenty and the Libertarians. Hold five captains five seats on twenty twenty and a smattering throughout history now the Greens throughout history when we had five ever and of those five scree of them changed their party affiliation Democrat before the next election and won declined to use any affiliation at all so even office. They're too embarrassed to keep her name. While it office at the local level the Greens have one hundred thirty elected offices to the Libertarians. One hundred eighty two on every level. The Libertarians do better the libertarians. Even have a single electoral college vote in history. If you look at their membership the Greens are at two hundred and fifty thousand Libertarians. Or six hundred thousand strong fundraising Libertarians. Fundraise twelve million dollars in a cycle. Sean Fraser Sean Sean. Hey Hey hey buddy. Hey I.
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"I think we should stop poking the bear first of all I don't see them as a real threat to our homeland security because they have a military budget. That's about a tenth of ours. An economy about a sixth of ours totally dependent on oil and gas exports. And if we do go at green deal. They're in trouble but they are a nuclear superpower in right now trump and Putin or not even talking about the new start treaty which expires February first. So I think we have to engage Russia diplomatically on a lot of serious issues including climate change the nuclear arms race these proxy wars and Ukraine and Syria anti-terrorism. And that's not an easy task but what we've been doing. Is You know some of the largest wargames we've ever done. Whereabout do one involving nuclear weapons in the war game against Russia. That is not the way to solve problems our but but wait a second. What if the Russian trolls start running facebook ads in twitter bots boosting your candidacy saying Hawkins Guy to listen to? He is proposing a detente with the with Russia Hill. Are you going to accept support from people who see those ads? Will you speak out? And denounce the Russians for running ads like that to boost your candidacy. Yeah if we can prove it. It's difficult to prove. But I know reporters like you on that case and I don't want help from Russians or boxer trolls. I think they should stay out of our elections in. We should just have a debate amongst ourselves. I've got one other political question. I think Mike was suggesting before that a lot of Bernie Sanders positions lineup. Fairly well with the Green party's positions on the green new deal on defense spending a bunch of other things. Where do you differ? What are some significant ways in which you differ from Bernie Sanders other than sanders willing to run as the Democratic nominee? And you're not well. I really believe in Democratic Socialism. And I think Bernie used to. I organized a showing of his Eugene dibbs slide show back in the seventies. Today he talks more about. Fdr Than Eugene debs. He talks about new deal style. Type reforms which are good reforms but in the end he depends on taxing the billionaire class to pay for those programs which leaves the billionaire class with concentrated economic power which translates in concentrated political power in they can resist and roll back those programs. I believe in two things. That Bernie dozen anymore. One is the working class. Should have its own party and speak for itself instead of trying to go into an permeate. A party committed to capitalism and democratic. Party YOUR MESSAGE GETS LOST. And secondly we need social ownership of major means of production so we can have an economic democracy where we the people not these private corporate tyrannies get to make the basic policy decisions about technology and how we're going to meet people's basic needs without destroying the environment. So I really do believe in a democratic socialism not just liberal reform capitalism. So you're you consider yourself a a pure socialist than than you think Bernie. Sanders is well the dictionary definition of socialism. I I don't want to say on pure. But is historically what industries and companies do you want to nationalize I think the whole power sector including the fuel companies? You know coke brothers. And Exxon or not gonNA reinvest their profits from fossil fuels in renewables as long going to happen. If they're part of public administration what I WANNA do is do we did during World War. Two when the federal government took over a quarter of US manufacturing capacity they built it or they took it over from companies like Ford and GM and through also were mobilization the building of what they call the arsenal of democracy which armed US armed UK armed the Russians defeat the fascist and. We need to do something very similar to defeat. Climate change so that would include the power sector it would include railroads. We got to rebuild our freight railroads densify them and electrify them. We've gotTA have bullet trains high speed trains between our cities in reduce air travel. And we need to rebuild. The trolley systems the light rails we had our cities between eighteen ninety s in the nineteen thirties. And that's not going to happen. I don't think without it being a public enterprise. How about social media companies would you nationalize facebook and Google? I would look at those platforms and see they should? They might should be public enterprises with some kind of independent board so they're not state media but Represent the people because those network platforms tend toward monopoly because once they've got the most people everybody wants to be on there because that's where the most people are that's where the most information is and how we govern them is a very serious questions so I think social ownership is one option antitrust activities with another have facebook divest some of these other companies that are social platforms. I think we gotta take a close look at that. But that scenario where public enterprise may be appropriate. Natural monopolies is a classic case. Where public enterprise makes better because the market doesn't work? Let me ask you this because some of the things you talked about echo a little bit this debate about the Defense Production Act. Which trump has invoked but has not really pulled the trigger on in a situation like the one. We're facing now where the mobilization of medical equipment is going to be so important to save saving lives. What would you do if you were President Right now? And the policies and political system that you advocate for where actually what we had in this country. Yeah I I would invoke and do the kind of World War Two. Also the war mobilization. We have it should have an office. Coordinating this whole thing so that the medical providers have an idea when these supplies for coming. What'S THE PRODUCTION SCHEDULE? Was the distribution schedule. Who's doing it right now? They're kind of you know flat in the dark. Because trump in pence say well Ford is stepping up and GM stepping up. People really don't know when that's going to happen. I heard one projections going to be a couple of months before they even get their production lines going on ventilators so I think you know public planning and direction and transparency so people who are doing the local planning in their hospitals and communities have an idea a win reinforcements in terms of medical equipment are coming and I think that's an area where the federal government should have stepped up right now. We have you know fifty governors doing different things. Some states are lockdown. Some are still wide open in a virus can spread. I guess this is a situation. Instance in which a command economy has significant advantages a planned economy. The Pentagon really does that. And you know it's so big that it can't even keep track. I think the Department of Homeland Security has the same problems so much money flowing through there so you have to. Have you know good accountability? But if you just wait for private enterprise step up on their own time line in an uncoordinated way you know the people that need this equipment aren't even sure when it's coming. Hey how a you mentioned before you've known Bernie Sanders since the nineteen seventies. Can't tell us a little bit about your relationship with him. How you came to know him if you worked with him on matters. You mentioned a Eugene debs Video of some kind does a little bit more about Your days with Bernie Sanders. Yeah I was a freshman at Dartmouth College in one thousand nine hundred seventy one. Two in he ran for the. Us Senate in spring in a special election in for Vermont. Governor in the fall with a third party called the Liberty Union. And I used to write to a woman up there in northern Vermont and say send me an envelope full leaflets knocking them out so I was doing that until I think I bugged him so much. They said we can't afford to send you more leaflets. In I encountered Bernie. I watched him campaign. He was of all those third party candidates. He was a real campaigner. And so you know I attended some of his talks and I was just a Kid. I think you know he might have recognized me. Maybe not then later in the seventies when he stopped running with liberty unique put together a slide. Show on Eugene debs which I organized in and he got elected mayor of Burlington eighty-one one and so that was encouraging but sometimes we are on opposite sides. The Greens up there at a challenge him on the waterfront development and defeated him in a referendum. And that's how they got the People's waterfront there later on. There was a gatling gun. Puff the Magic Dragon. They caught in Vietnam. These helicopter gunships. It was the gun was manufactured but a bullet never square yard football field with one blast and so there was a moment of peace activists. Prominent people like Dave Dellinger in race Paley and hundreds of their friends and Bernie was on the other side of this on that so on the other hand I was on the same side of him when we were trying to get the state of Vermont to divest. So it's not like you guys were close. I mean he does. He know you if you I I think he'd remember me but I'm not sure we were not close. We are both part of the movement in Vermont. Well listen I really appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. You know a lot of people may not agree with your platform and your prescriptions for America. But I think a lot of us will agree that your voice. The Green Party's voice. The Libertarian Party's voice should all be heard and be on the ballot in the November election. So we wish you luck on that. We'll thank you. Yeah absolutely. It's we're we're happy to have all different perspectives on skulduggery and certainly happened. Happy to have yours on the PODCAST. So so come back. I'll.
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"That's been knocked out so you know I will maybe have better luck with some of these judges them with some of these. Democrats who are in charge. Of course they don't want us to compete. But you know you can go back to nature you can talk about twenty sixteen. We've been giving them a solution to that. They have lost because of the electoral college much. Bigger factor than the Green Party. It over represents conservative Rural White. America in underrepresented diverse cosmopolitan urban America. And they win the popular vote. But they lose because the electoral college you would think after two decades they will make that an issue abolish the electoral college and have a national popular vote with ranked choice voting ranked choice voting would enable people to vote for their favourite candidate without worrying about helping the candidate. They most fear. That solution is out there and if we are not in the race raising that issue. It's not going to be discussed. Well that does require a constitutional amendment. Right which is a laborious and very difficult process. You GotTa Get Two thirds Congress and then three fourths of the states to ratify so that does not seem like an immediate solution to the problem. You're although it is. It is the case that since the last election where Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by some three million votes. There's an uptick in support for abolishing the Electoral College. But I agree with Mike. It's a it's a heavy heavy lift and how I don't think he really address then he's question. Which is you know yes. It's great to talk about Electoral College. Abolition or reform down the road. But we're facing election this year and the argument was credibly made that your party's candidate. The last time around Jill Stein took enough votes away from Hillary Clinton to elect Donald Trump. President and Jill. Stein isn't running again but you are. You're the likely nominee of your party and you could end up doing the same thing if you get the kind of ballot access you want draining enough votes. From Joe Biden to re-elect Donald Trump will most of our come from people that wouldn't vote for the Democrats or the Republicans. You look at the exit polls in Michigan for example. And where People's preferences were they were more stay at home and vote for Clinton among the green voters. It wouldn't have made a difference in that case now. Could make a difference that I would say this is really in the Democrats hands if they run a good campaign I mean. This corona virus is trump's Katrina on top of all the other nonsense he's done and they have the megaphone. I mean we're on the margins in terms of getting access to the media in getting our word out so they run good campaign they should crush trump. We're going after the people who are alienated mostly working class. People youth people of Color who feel neither party knows them cares about them. It has any solutions for them. And that's it. We're going to have a third party on the left that would be our base so we're in this race to raise issues that are concerned those people you know. Bernie Sanders raise. Some of these issues Medicare for all green new deal. Tuition free higher education and those issues will not be debated in a general election unless the Green Party is in the race. So I think those are good reasons to have a real democracy and let people make choices. Do you think that the apparent defeat of Bernie Sanders for the nomination opens up new opportunities for the Green Party? This time around to go after those Bernie Sanders supporters. Who might be reluctant to pull the lever for Joe Biden? Oh absolutely I mean. They're already come into his. Donations ticked up. Volunteers picked up right after Super Tuesday. And so those folks come to us. So how are you said that you're putting together teams of lawyers? What is the legal ballot access strategy? And have you begun to try to lift gate any of these cases already? None of them got to that stage. We're waiting here response from the officials and see if they'll give us relief and I'll leave it to the lawyers legal arguments. I mean. I've heard some of them. You know we've been on the ballot in the past and You know that should be an argument for that. We would be on this time. If we were able to petition. It seems like it is going to be a tough battle and that you know no assurances of getting on many state ballots as you were the last time around or anywhere near that given where you are right now. What is Your Plan B? What are you going to do if say you end up on thirty? Some odd state ballots and that's it. What does that do to your movement in two thousand twenty well in most of the states about forty of the fifty one jurisdictions the results of the presidential election affect whether that state will have a Green Party on the ballot for the next election cycle? So we will definitely work in those states to reach those thresholds. And you know I've been told I should run a safe state strategy where I only compete in the states where it doesn't matter because we already know the result in stay away from the competitive so called battleground. Well Yeah I was GONNA ask that. Are you on the ballot? Currently in Wisconsin Michigan and Pennsylvania because those are the states that when people say the Jill Stein took the election away from Hillary Clinton whether you buy that argument or not. Are you in. Are you on the ballot in those states? We're on the ballot in Michigan Wisconsin's petitioning requirements pretty reasonable and easy. So I think we'll be able to get relief there or even physically. Go out if there's any kind of lifted a lockdown in time and Pennsylvania. We have a long history of being on a ballot in what was about to say is for the Green Party. Every state is about ground take Pennsylvania. They have massive fracking massive pipeline building. It's all leaning toward a petrochemical plastics complex in the Ohio Valley and the Democrats. Even those that support Bernie Sanders you know. The elected officials won't touch that issue and so two grains find themselves on opposite side about the Democrats and Republicans on that issue on affordable housing issues on police brutality shoes on so many issues so we need to get balanced lines so we can run our state and local candidates in the next election cycle and the idea is to build a Green party from the bottom up we should be electing thousands of people to local and then state office when we get a Cox in Congress. Then the media will have to pay attention to us when presidential ticket. We've we have about one hundred fifty green selected around the country. But that's a drop in the bucket. There are literally hundreds of thousands offices about half a million offices. They're up for election. We can build at that level and create a real base how we should tell our listeners. A little bit about yourself. You're a former teamster and longtime activist in progressive causes. Green new deal antiwar anti-nuclear. But what is your message for voters right now. A in the middle of this crisis and more broadly for general election campaign why people should pull the lever or vote by mail for the Green Party rather than Joe Biden when if you're a progressive or socialist and you vote for Joe Biden. They don't know whether you're a sanders socialist or a biden centrist. You get lost in the sauce and the left disappears. Nobody questions. What a vote for the Green Party is where for Medicare for all the green new deal in these other progressive reforms and I would say the people vote for what you want to make the politicians come to you in example is when I ran for governor in New York in two thousand fourteen. I got nearly five percent of the vote. Governor Cuomo was planning to run up to vote more than his father. Mareo ever got more than he got. Twenty ten and he got less and add to look at what we were talking about. That got US five percent. We're talking about a ban on frankie a fifteen dollars. Minimum wage in paid family leave in order to compete for the votes. We got Komo had to move our way on those issues so you don't have to win the office to have leverage in the political system so it's better to vote for what you want to make the politicians come to you a Lotta. This does sound very similar. To What Bernie? Sanders was campaigning. On and his message. You mentioned before you've gotten an uptick in donations since The Sanders Candidacy has faltered. Have you heard from or gotten support from any previous Bernie Sanders supporters any. Who are particularly prominent or out there. Who have said no. I'm not going to back Joe Biden. I'm going to go with the Green Party this time. I don't know of any people that are prominent that you know people listening to broadcasts with no so you know in two thousand. Sixteen Jill Stein said did I a private messages in a sort of open letter. Saying to Bernie if you WANNA break with the Democratic Party. That's talk and actually put that out on a podcast earlier this week. I don't think he's GonNa do it. I've known since the seventies his word is good and he said he's going to back. Whoever the Democratic Party is candidate is and I? I think we can count on it. But that doesn't mean supporters can't continue to campaign for Medicare for all in a green new deal and those other things in twenty twenty instead of letting it just disappear and I think you're right. Santa's didn't win the nomination in two thousand sixteen but he changed the debate in this primary. Everybody was talking about Bernie's issues which means just half. The battle is getting a discussion on the issues. And that's why it's important at all voices in the elections but how we I mean. Let's say you did end up. The Green Party did end up getting on the ballot. And a lot of these states you reversed the trend and at the end of the day shortly before the general election presidential election. The data suggested that you're GonNa be taking enough votes away from Biden to elect trump by that time. The Green Party would have influenced the conversation as you have in the past. Would you consider pulling out and backing Biden to keep trump from being elected? No my my supporters would would string me up for that help people that make that calculation and decide they got to settle for Biden even though they like me better they're going to make that calculation without me telling them they should you know. I'm just GONNA campaign on issues and let the voters make up their own minds. Hey Howie Joel Stein. The Green Party's candidate in two thousand sixteen. Took quite a bit of flack. Because in two thousand fifteen she flew to Moscow to participate in the tenth anniversary. Celebration of our TV the Russian TV propaganda station. Would you do that? I wouldn't go to the RT gala so. She was wrong to do that. They wouldn't invite me to hear what I have to say. They would invite me just to say I was there I have gone on. Rt programs where. I think they won't it what I say. But that's a situation. I wouldn't put myself in so Jill. Stein was wrong to fly to that event in Moscow. I think it was a mistake. I mean at one picture. In fact we had some discussion beforehand. Somebody said it could take a picture in that will overwhelm everything you say at the table with Vladimir Putin and Mike Flynn Budnick International. Put that right out and went. You know the distributed around here and that became story and and what she actually said I mean she's been caught a Russian asset but she was challenging Putin on issues like the Arctic Sea should be a oil and gas free zone but Russia's exploiting that she said actually a RT gala in New York before the one in Moscow and she told the Russians there. We should have arms embargo Assyria. That was two days before. Russia's started bombing. So you know she wasn't. She was supposed to Russian line as the Russian assets. She didn't get the memo has lost because of that picture. Yeah I WANNA make sure I heard you properly. Did you say that before? She went to Moscow. You had a conversation with her and warned her about the potential of a picture like that and the risk that that would represent. I didn't want her about the picture. Somebody else on the email thread did but you know I told her she better ask a lot of hard questions about what rt really wants. And I didn't think it was a good idea. But you are distinguishing yourself somewhat from Jill Stein. At least on this issue but more broadly on Policy towards Russia do you support continued sanctions on the Russians for both their intervention in Ukraine and their intervention in the US election in two thousand sixteen..
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"So the approach here might look different than the way other countries have approached it but we need to as Americans be willing to think creatively and also look to what the success stories have been in different places as we figure out how to move forward so one more and this this is far more extreme and I think for a lot of Americans would raise the raise the specter of big but it is happening in places like Taiwan and Singapore and Czechoslovakia and that is countries that are using the they call it smart quarantine and they're using data from smartphones credit cards to map the location of people who've been infected and then tracked down their contacts and so that may be a non-starter in this country because of our the way we view civil liberties and our suspicion of government. But could you imagine a scenario in which the federal government or say state governments started to think along those lines institute those kinds of measures? There are some creative ways that we could use technology and we have to be very careful not to violate any laws whether it's federal or state or local but there could be ways even that individuals could volunteer to opt in where people who wanted to participate could put an APP on their phone. That would collect information about where they are. What their symptoms are who are interacting with and that could be very useful especially at the community level for figuring out where problems are and what measures would need to be taken to try to contain them. Oh that's fascinating. I had not heard of the idea of people opting in for that. Is there any? Have you heard that that's actually happening anywhere in this country and not aware of any places where that's been put into effect yet but I think there are a lot of Americans who are eager to feel like they're doing something to help? We've seen people start doing things like donating masks or so in new masks for healthcare workers and this could potentially be a way that people could volunteer to help their communities with the corona virus response. So nothing yet. But I'm sure that we've got a lot of innovators who are working on ideas like that will to all our skulduggery listeners. Who have masks at home and want to donate? Please take Dr Jacobson's words to heart and donate whatever you can doctor. Thanks for joining us and we hope you will continue to do so as this crisis continues looking for again. We now have with us from his cramped apartment in Syracuse New York. Howie Hawkins a Green Party candidate for president. Howie welcome to skulduggery. Well thank you. It's good to be. We should point out by the way. It's a cough that we're on skype. I can see him. It's cramped but it's cramped because he's surrounded by books and yes and very important files and IT'S A. It's a kind of scholarly scholarly cramped. I would say well then that makes it a change for us. We're going we're upgrading our content. You called me last week. I think at the suggestion of another previous skulduggery guest Randy Credit Echo. Who has been on the show and I gather is supporter of yours and I think what really grabbed me when we talked. Is Your leading Green Party candidate for president? You're not the official nominee at this point. Correct correct we are scheduled to have a convention in Detroit July nine to twelve. But that's up in the air. Now everything is up in the air for everybody but the point that I wanted to address with you is the trouble that the Green Party is having getting on the ballot in the twenty twenty as a result of the corona virus. Emergency tell us about that because that strikes me as something that is potentially significant on multiple grounds well. This country is off the charts compared to other electoral democracies around the world. On how hard. It is to get on the ballot. You want to run for the national legislature in New Zealand. You need to signatures in. The House of Commons in Britain need ten signatures. Australia's fifty candidates one hundred Germany's two hundred in every state that I know of in the United States it's thousands or even tens of thousands now. A lot of countries don't have presidents. They have parliamentary systems. But for us we go into the selection with twenty one st ballots and Ad Council District of Columbia. So we have thirty more ballots. We have to petition onto. We've got on these ballots in the past in two thousand sixteen we had. We are on the ballot in forty five states in an official right in three more states so we had a job of getting about a million and a half signatures across all the states that are remaining and now that's on hall because we can't go out with the social distancing Astra signatures so these have to be physical sick. I mean you got to go out and actually knock on doors and get people signatures. It has to be all done physically as right so now we're in the process of we pull together a team of lawyers and ballot access activists and we're appealing to the states. And we're making three different kinds of appeal at each stays little different One is placed on the ballot. Because we've been on a ballot in the past and we can't go out and petition so you know include us in the election. Another option is some states have a filing fee and you know let us just do violently in another option is to allow some form of electronic petitioning which they did in the New Jersey primaries. I believe I think that's I got the state right. So those are the three options. We're looking at so. We are drafting letters to the various state leaders secretaries of state governors the leader of the legislature and saying he was relieved. And if they don't we're going to court so just to be clear these are state laws that require actual signatures on petitions to get on the ballot. And I think you sent me a letter that the the Green Party has sent to the State of Illinois. I gather. That's one of those states. Which are the big states that the law requires the signing of these signatures and secondly what kind of response have you gotten today from those state officials? Well every state is different. There are fifty one different jurisdictions with different election laws so we are qualified in twenty one states because we either ran a presidential candidate or another statewide candidate the reached a certain threshold or the vote which keeps us on the ballot for the next election. Cycle were example. I had to get. I was the Green Party candidate for governor of New York in two thousand eighteen. We needed fifty thousand votes in. I got well over that so we're on the ballot in New York but that at least thirty other states and you ask for some of the Big States Illinois is one of them. Ohio is another Indiana's another Pennsylvania's another right through that mid west band Wisconsin Minnesota Iowa some of the southern states and some of the mountain states. We're doing pretty good on. Coasts are a couple of New England states. So it's thirty states and what kind of response if you've gotten from state officials when you've asked for this relief. I'm not aware of any response yet. These litters are starting to go out the Illinois letter I know has gone out. Minnesota and Maryland. I also believe that sent letters and I haven't heard responses yet how I said that the Green Party is already on the ballot in New York State. I thought I read correct me if I'm wrong. That governor Cuomo actually addressed this issue at a press conference in which he said that he was going to ban the petitioning because of the pandemic public health reasons but that he was reducing the percentage of the number of signatures that you would need by some something like seventy percent is that right and if the case if he could do that by executive order couldn't other governor is all over the country do that as well and is that something. You're trying to get them to do. Is that enough I mean? Could you get thirty percent? It was reduced by that much. Well what Governor. Cuomo did was for the primaries which is scheduled for the Presidential Primary April twenty eighth in the other primaries in June and for the Green Party we had state committee petitions to. Do We send our state committee members from counties so we had to get our signatures done early because there was a deadline. We couldn't go out. I think it was march. Seventeenth was the last day five. Pm We had to be off the streets and so we were able to do that. That could be a precedent when we talked the other states. As far as I know governor Cuomo hasn't said anything about the general election petitioning which we don't have to worry about because we're already on a ballot because of what we did in twenty eighteen in the gubernatorial race and we should point out. This is just not an issue for the Green Party. Third parties are facing the same issue. Libertarians and other parties that want to be on the ballot. If I'm correct and so this strikes me as significant as a significant example of how the virus pandemic is altering affecting American democracy. If it's going to complicate and maybe prevent third fourth fifth parties from getting on the ballot in the general election. Yeah I think there's no doubt about that so we you know we're we're speaking up for ourselves and appealing to the states to give us. Relief angered prepared to take him to court. If they don't give us relief so how I know you you must know. There are a lot of Democrats out there who are not going to be feeling a whole a whole lot of sympathy even if they believe in ballot access and believe in democracy because their number one goal is to defeat Donald Trump and that is why they apparently have made Joe Biden their nominee. And so what? Many of them are going to be saying is well. The Green Party cost a Hillary Clinton the election in two thousand and sixteen and they'll remember the Green party in their belief costing Al Gore. The election in Florida in two thousand. Now I know you must have marshalled arguments against that but that's GonNa make it much harder to get support for what you're trying to do here. We've never had support from the Democrats for ballot access. I filed a lot about petitions get challenged even with very frivolous challenges. For example I was running for Congress one year. I have plenty of good signatures. But they filed objections and by the time the processes over it was early October before I was certified on the ballot in the meantime. The Democrat was arguing. I should not be in the televised debates or any forums. Because I wasn't on the ballot so we've had we've dealt with those gains in the past. We just went through in New York. Governor Cuomo had a commission set up the set up public campaign finance system added onto it much more difficult requirements to stay on the ballot. Basically two and a half times the number of votes twice as frequently presidential races as well as gubernatorial races every two years. And if you got knocked off the ballot instead of fifteen thousand signatures six weeks you had to get forty five thousand so we don't see them as friends and terms about access on the other hand we did defeat that change that the Cuomo Commission put in in court..
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"Michael ISIKOFF chief. Investigative correspondent for Yahoo News. And I'm Dan Clyde Monitor and chief of Yahoo News so you know. We've talked quite a bit over the last week about the many ways that the corona virus epidemic is affecting our politics democracy and the twenty twenty election. But the guest. We're going to have today. Howie Hawkins of the Green Party is raising an issue. That I haven't seen anywhere else. Get attention but it does strike me as significant this question of whether third parties like the Green Party the Libertarian Party other parties that need to get signatures on petitions to get on. The ballot are going to be able to do that. Given the social distancing restrictions now in place throughout the country and that strikes me as pretty important on multiple levels I you know just basic democratic principles that allowing third fourth fifth parties to participate in the election and then also of course You know what impact does if the Green Party can't get in the ballot on a lot of states. What impact is that going to have on the trump biden? Brace in the fall pretty interesting. Questions a yeah. It goes to the heart of our democracy. The Green Party has been on presidential ballots. Not every cycle but they were in two thousand sixteen. They were in two thousand now. Of course they're going to be a lot of Democrats out there who I think would breathe a sigh of relief if the Sharon cheering hearing get on the ballot right because they remember that in both those cycles there was plenty of evidence to suggest that the Green Party kept the Democrat candidate from winning the election. But look you know corona virus. This public health emergency has had a huge impact on the whole country in many many ways and there are going to be consequences and things are going to not be the same as they have been in the past and it looks as if the fate of the Green Party in the two thousand election is going to be one of those consequences although our guest is as we'll get into it with him is fighting back hard as the rest of those members of the Party so we'll have to see what happens there all right and before we get to Howie Hawkins the Green Party. We have our public health contributor. Epidemiologist Dr Catherine Jacobson with us to give us a take on where we are on the virus right now Dr Jacobson. Thanks for rejoining US on skulduggery. Yeah glad to be talking with you again. But unfortunately we are nowhere near the end of the corona virus outbreak here in the US. Yeah I mean in some respects. The numbers seem to be getting grimmer and grimmer were now well over one thousand deaths from the virus and moving in on eighty thousand cases right. Now what do you make of? The current numbers and does eighty thousand cases are the diagnoses and we know that a lot of people who have the symptoms have not been tested yet and they probably are not part of that count. So we're under estimating the number of cases that we have now and we know that for every case that we have now that person average going to infect maybe to other people maybe more so we're still in the part of the outbreak in the US. Where the number of cases going to climb rather rapidly. How long that increase goes on is going to be a function of how aggressive? We are with control measures. Let me ask you about that. We have now all in this country I think kind of become obsessed with the numbers and part of it is that. We're all looking for glimmers of hope in the data and I wanted to ask you as an epidemiologist. How do you look at public health data? How do you assess when you think there is a positive trend or a negative trend in a couple of things? I have a couple of things in mind. A couple of days ago Governor. Cuomo in New York was talking about the rate of hospitalizations in New York. Look like it was going down. I think it was went. From last Sunday. It was Doubling and then by the following Tuesday. It was Doubling every two days and the following Tuesday was doubling every four point seven days. And then there's also Italy for example so it's just one more data point for a little while there. We saw the rate of deaths going down a little bit and it went up. Then you saw the actual number of cases going down and people kind of seized on that as a possible hopeful sign. When do you know that there is a positive trend? Well when we start seeing in New York that the doubling rate is slowing so it's taking longer to double the number of cases that means the number of cases are still going up so we aren't to the point now where we're seeing fewer cases every day than we did before. Were still in that ramping up period and we know that in a lot of the rest of the US. We haven't even really gotten to the part where the curve is going to start increasing rapidly but we know that there are cases in all fifty states we assume that there is local transmission in all fifty states as an epidemiologist. I tend to look at rates not accounts and so when we see the counts are highest in New York City. That's because New York City is by far our most populous city. So of course we've got the most cases there when we see that estate with the most cases California. That's because that's our most populous state unless we start looking at rates so the number of cases per population. We're going to have a skewed perception that this is an urban thing and that it's only affecting are more populous parts of the country which tend to be the coasts over the next week or two. I think we're gonNA start seeing that. There are hot spots in other parts of the country as well. We're starting to see that was some places like Louisiana and we're going to start seeing that in other parts of the country including possibly some rural areas or at least less urban areas so we don't really know where those hotspots are going to be yet. We haven't yet done enough testing all across the country to get to that point and so the perceptions over the coming weeks are going to shift a little bit so we are not yet to that part where I can say. Well these parts of the. Us seem to be in the clear until we have good data. That's from lots of places. Lots of municipalities not just state level data. We don't really have the true picture yet of where this is going. You've heard the president talk about hoping to get things back on track lifting the restrictions by Easter a Lotta doubt has been cast on whether that's feasible given the way the numbers are going. What's your sense of where we are right now? Is there a glimmer of hope out there? Somewhere? And what kind of timeframe are you looking at when you look at the rates? A lot of states haven't even put into effect some of these forests social distancing measures like stay at home orders yet so a lot of states haven't even really started their countdown to win. We expect to see transmission. Start to slow so it may be in places like New York or Northern California where those measures went into effect a week or two ago that we would start to see some turnaround on the trajectory and a couple of weeks in places where people are still going about their daily lives the same way. They always have chances. Are that the number of cases are going to continue to increase for more than a month so we aren't very far into control in the US when you asked about what is a success story. You may have seen this week. That in Wuhan China where the outbreak first occurred and they are starting to get back to normal life. So people are starting to go back to work. Transportation is starting to run again. And that's been about two months since they put the city on lockdown but those two months were really strict way stricter than what most municipalities and states in the. Us have put into place. China pretty much put. Wuhan unlocked up. People were barely allowed to leave their homes for eight weeks. But doing that meant that they really were able to stop transmission so unless the various places in the US are taking more extreme measures. We aren't going to be able to stop this in certainly not in the near future. What's the near future Months probably months it could be perhaps four months tell we would get back on track but that really depends on how widespread the control measures are how intensive they are how well people follow them. Of course there. There are two sides to this partly. It's the policy decision we're government. Authorities leaders are deciding. What kind of measures to put into place? The other half of that equation is what the public is willing to do. And so politicians are being responsive to what they hear from constituents and they're trying to understand how long their constituents are willing to have restrictive measures put in place that limit their freedoms to be out and about in some way. But I'd say that right. Now there are lots of Americans who would say. I don't care if they're restrictions in place for me personally going out to sporting events or large concerts or sit in a restaurant experiences. These are not things that for me right now. I feel safe doing so whether those political things are in place or not behaviors have changed. And we'll stay different for awhile doctor Jacobson to that point as we're recording this podcast on Thursday. There's some news that just broke. Which is that. President trump has sent letters to the governors basically saying that they're going to be issuing new guidelines on how different regions across the country. I think county by county will be able to make decisions using the data that we're that the government is collecting decisions about as to whether to relax or enhance the measures. That have been put in place so I guess the idea would be that if there is a lot more disease in a certain area than another one those two places would act accordingly. Does that make sense that you can kind of divide up the country in that way based on what you're seeing at a particular moment in time. What the trends are in particular places. Yes the response should be tailored to the local situation. And would you ask if there's some good news some good news? This week is that we have done more testing and places that have been able to do a lot of testing to either say there's a lot of transmission here or we're not seeing that many cases here. They have the evidence that they can use to make the decision. That's right for their communities. In the absence of data we have to be more strict about how we approach control as we get more data we should be able to relax in seven places some of those measures but also continued testing. So that if places that rate now are not infected start to have more cases. Those strict control measures would go into place right away. Explain to me how you relax those measures because if you do. Let's say in some Midwestern County. You say okay now. We don't have to follow the same social distancing guidelines now. It's fine for you to get on a bus or go to a sport sports arena. Isn't there a danger that you're just gonNA bring the disease right back to where you're from? Yeah there is saying risk that when we have crow virus spreading anywhere it could be brought anywhere else so we saw this week. That New Yorkers were advised to self quarantine if they traveled to other locations. And we don't really know where all hotspots are so. There are lots of people who could be feeling basically fine but accidentally go somewhere else and start an outbreak so when we talk right now about relaxing some control measures. That doesn't mean go back to business the way it was done a month ago. That means that there might not need to be stay at home order. But we certainly would still be recommending that people practice social distancing. You said before that there may be a need for even stricter controls in some places like what well right now. Most of the. Us has not had a stay at home order put on their jurisdiction so although the coasts and some other states have had these put into effect many of them just within the past few days. We haven't really done strict control measures in most of the country yet so in most of the country. We are not to the point where we would be relaxing anything because we haven't really tried to do more restrictive social distancing. Docs Jacobson. I've got a two questions. About what other countries are doing to contain the spread of the virus versus what we seem to be willing to do and not do one is. I've talked to friends in Europe in Spain in Italy. They say that the police are all over the streets and enforcing these Stay at home orders. Not that people can't ever go out but they have to have a legitimate reason to go out and people who were driving are sometimes stopped and asked why they're out driving and France. I think I read has issued something like one hundred thousand fines. Do we need to take those kinds of strict measures? Do you think. Do you think we might get to a point where we will need to do that? And then I have one follow up. I think that's entirely likely and that might not be a nationwide thing. But certainly in hot spots especially in the more urban areas that would be a way to try to start slowing the number of new cases per patient. The idea and a lot of Europe is that if you have only household members interacting with each other after a few weeks maybe the whole household has become infected but nobody else has been infected and those chains of transmission have been interrupted and then stopped so well. Healthcare workers might still be at risk of bringing the infection home for the most part in the general population. Transmission has ended at the. Us is a very large geographic entity as well as one that has fifty different states that operate according to their own public health negotiations..
"green party" Discussed on Skullduggery
"A Michael isikoff check correspondent for Yahoo News. And I'm Dan Kleinman editor in chief of Yahoo News and a quick reminder that you can follow us at skulduggery pod and by the way. If you've got any questions thoughts ideas you wanNA share tweet right out us now. Let's get on with the show. American democracy has been pretty much a two party system since the earliest days of the Republic but third parties have also played a vital role allowing those outside the political mainstream whether they be social on the left or hard core Libertarians. On the right to have their voices heard and in many cases influence the country's political debate but it turns out. The Corona virus pandemic is making it a lot harder for third parties to even get on the ballot. This fall the reason in many states. Those parties need to get thousands of signatures on petitions tasks that could well be impossible. Given the social distancing restrictions caused by the virus we'll talk to a leading Green Party candidate for president about what impact those restrictions are having for his party and what that could mean for the twenty twenty election on this episode of skulduggery. Because people have gotta know whether or not their president's well I'm not a crook. I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostile my heart to my best intentions. Still tell me that's true. But the facts and the evidence. Tell me it is not. I did not have sexual relations with that. There will be no allies. We will honor the American people with the Truth and nothing else. I'm.
Berlin plan for €1 per day public transport ticket stirs up controversy
"To an issue that cities around the world has struggled Goldway for years to persuade more people to leave their cars at home and use public transport instead in Berlin. Some politicians are now backing a plan that would see the cost transport in the city fall to just one euro a day. This would effectively half the current cheapest annual cost of traveling and not. Everyone's a fan joining me in the studio is Andrew Talk. Who of course is the editor monocle? Also present monocle twenty four urban own pay per andrew. This sounds fantastic. One Euro a day to travel around a major European city but the first thing that occurs to you is that presumably cops by quite a law the amount of money that's going into your transport system the so many things things suddenly become complicated as you say I G- large thing. How incredible this would revolutionized how people around the city it would make everyone these cars ause at home and they would jump on public transport? There is the problem investment which is accu- and many of the city's have looked. This is not just Berlin. Where there are concerns in Helsinki? They did research about whether they should allow people to travel for free on their own. They're public transport and they decided against it. They decided even in against doing drastic cuts. What they found was when they look to other cities which brought in similar policies is that I will people people who drive still drive but what you do which is oddly? More dangerous in Amman widely more annoying is that many people who have taken can the decision for cost reasons to cycle every day or to walk. Think I'm like well. This is pointless I might as well get on the public transport so unless unless you have a a an incredible infrastructure that can cope with a large rise in numbers. You overwhelm the system of so. Many cities just found that that public transport was just a little less pleasurable to go on an. It just didn't work in the ways they anticipated is painted. I mean obviously it's anecdotal the friends of mine in London who dry rather than US probably transport very rarely talk about the cost. Even though transplant in London he's actually quite expensive. Compared Patrick cities they talk about reliability. They talk about they. They come for the risk of being late for work three times a week and it's incredibly uncomfortable and I can't get a seat and those of the reasons they drive and you can't improve those things without spending on infrastructure. No and and the other interesting thing is that to your point is that we imagine that you the car works. which is his affordable public transport but as the stick with unfortunate car drivers? You need to make it incredibly expensive to come come into the city. You need to remove places for people to park needs make their life difficult. You just slow down traffic. Those are the things that have nudged behavior savior in most cities for example. If you Paris moment that they're seeing year on year decline in the number of people who are done drive in in the city but have a aw in that possession. The reason for that is the on on Hidalgo. They have really kind of gone off to the car driver and anecdotes again. Some people telling me of an evening between Five o'clock and seven o'clock some thirty percent of people driving parents are looking for somewhere to park. That's that's what she's done to the city and that's the frustration that Ma- that makes me say Joa. I'm not going to be generation corona. I'm going to give up on this and you're seeing it in the strikes now the number of people who you can't get around by car because the city has seized up so the move to walking and cycling is great and again people can't jump on protons because it's not there so how'd you judge people between all of these behaviors. Free Public Transport isn't a solution on. Its own you have to look at all these behavioral consequences consequences that occur around just interesting there are two places Talon In Estonia and Luxembourg is coming up as well that making all public transport. Completely the free. So you won't have to pay a penny but they have smaller populations less stressed by people jumping on the on the bus. The difficult is the politics of it that politically typically. It's it's quite easy to say I'm GONNA public transport free politically. It's quite hard to say to people in your city. I'm going to make your life miserable. You give up the car. Although on on I guess is on the left. There's always been a belief that taxation works in that you. If you raise money you can have better services and and you are on the right. They believe as the coalition more around the the the green parties who thing I is. You just need to do everything to get people onto that public transport but as I said if you then have to. You don't see a decline in the number of people in that 'cause then isn't isn't an immediate success etretat thanks very
Germany set to agree higher CO2 price for transport, heating
"Chancellor Angela Merkel's government had set the price for carbon dioxide emissions from transport and heating fuels at ten euros per tonne or more than eleven US dollars Bucks the environmentalist Green Party demanded it be set higher GPA says the charge will begin to twenty five euros which is a price that economists say would be more effective in getting people to shift from fossil fuels to renewable energy
Germany Is Next In Line For Political Upheaval
"Germany next in line for political upheaval. The future of the country's ruling coalition is in doubt after the newly elected leaders of the Social Democrats amounted fresh concessions from. I'm Angela Merkel's party. It raises the prospect that Koby Elections in Germany and twenty twenty can learn more now from Stephanie. Bolson correspondent for the German newspaper Duvets. I'm I'm Stephanie. Thank you for joining US little more about these new leaders of the SPD. What he's they want? Well what is very interesting about these new leaders that it Me personally will not be an exception saying that. I have hockey ever heard the names before. So it's not about a eskin ZENDA SASKIA ask Simply a cold and they They came out of the blue so there was a very long process in among the membership to see who would now follow analyst. She was the leader of the mind was very unpopular and actually unto Saturday evening. Everybody was thinking that it would be That the new leader would be We'll have shorts the incumbent Finance Minister and then these two came kind out of the blue and and then won the race. Why do you think that happened? If there was an expectation that it will be a relatively well known relatively mainstream within the Party auty candidate why. Why is this happened If you look at the polls in the membership of the SPD. The majority of membership wants Serb leadership. It's now for the first time dual so it's woman and a man who are more or less leaning the SPD. A membership is very very unhappy about the the costs that the party has gone for many many years they have been in a coalition with a CD you Since two thousand seventeen were inequality before so we have actually seen almost ten years of a coalition between the two big parties and memberships things that Angela Merkel has basically Louis Take away the whole profile of the PD. So all the left leaning politics like minimum wage Gay Marriage image all these things socially progressive but also economically progressive has been Well to the benefit of Mackerel and the junior partner now who the. SPD's has been such a long time has really lost profane and it was every election. Pilings have gone down. Isn't it always as the way though in coalitions that the junior partner doesn't get much of what they want. Yes it is very much a movie scene that in Britain for example with a coalition between the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats between twenty and twenty fifteen a lot of the policies were implemented. Were actually ideas by Liberal Democrats but the Conservatives as the biggest party will always very successful to say. Hey that was our success and the same has been happening in Germany the problem for the SPD the is though they if they even now set. Okay we are going to leave the government coalition that will probably not be paid back At the next election because is the sense in Germany that you have been voted in. You have agreed to a coalition. You have to take the responsibility if you're now going going away just because of say kind of selfish party folk was reasons. This is a this is unacceptable and therefore they are between rocking hot place Whether they stay in the coalition which is bad or they leave the coalition which might be even worse. The Christian Democrats have been rebuffing these coals to renegotiate negotiate but in the end if they want to avoid elections next year they're going to have to give in on something they might give into something. I mean we really now in the in the early hours they say nothing room for maneuver and Knowing Angela Merkel she will try to find a way that they may be renegotiate associated some social policies some tax policies that The new as Padilla ship can can get out of this face saving. But as I said before I don't think it's a good option for the SP to cause breakdown of the coalition German business community has reacted already. This morning has set The Cook what isn't government should stop navel-gazing and look at the challenges of the future like digital modernism modernizing gem in digital he'll systems Looking for more progressively into climate change or climate protection and not being so self-focused. So I think both parties have an interest to solve their Their their frustrations and that they are the rows with each other because they will both suffer the pulse. Angela Merkel has already said that you weren't contest the next federal election though it sounds like at this rate had time office maybe ending little sooner than we may have thought it might be the case again if you I think it's something like seventy five percent of the German public says they do not want the coalition to To to end they wanted to continue until September. Twenty twenty one when there is the next regular election federal election and also the WHO does. It's not have any well not strong interest in a in early poll nutty election because they have problems with to decide who they actually really want to run as the successor of America. So they have unagreed come cannonball. WHO's the common defense secretary? And she's also the leader of the city but she's highly unpopular. Actually only two weeks ago. There was a party conference by the CD where she offered to resignation. Because the tensions are so high in the city you so the the city was not ready either to fight a election campaign and therefore I think at the end of the day none of the two big parties has any interest to to eleven addiction. The only party. That hasn't a party that has can have a reason to go funny action at the Greens because the Green Party has the best pulse for a very long time. We were discussing earlier in the program the change in leadership in the F. D. Party as well and you would have thought that those in the political mainstream wouldn't you wanted to create uncertainty in the risk of election at a time when the FDA is trying to build support. Well the I if t is certainly Louis very popular and especially in East Germany but the decision The new leadership now off the AFDC which is even more right-wing sinophobic Lebed leadership. The I mean that remains to be seen how many people continue voting for the AFDC having in mind that the leaders are well. Outspoken Anti antisemites. SINOPHOBIC I think it's because until now the AFC also got a lot of protests voters and. I think those people will think twice if they would want Want to vote for this kind of Party A. Stephanie Balsam. Thank you very much
Swiss Voters Appear to Deliver ‘Green Wave,’ Rebuking Far Right
"Voters in Switzerland have elected a new national parliament and green parties did well in a year when environmental concerns have swept across Europe the election is for two hundred members of the National Council parliament's lower house and forty six members of the council of states the upper house unlike four years ago when voters were reacting to the European refugee crisis climate change was top of the agenda
"green party" Discussed on Front Burner
"You talked before about how she also spent time heading up the Sierra Club of Canada and environmental organization and and then she stepped down from that to run the Green Party leadership and you know when she took over the party in two thousand and six what kind of state within well it was a fringe party. They didn't have a lot of money the had never elected an MP one of the things that the Green Party has done. Maybe a little differently than others is. They've tried very hard to be a national party. They don't just run twelve candidates. They tried to run many many candidates in a more recent years with her. They've tried to run a candidate in every writing so sometimes they were seen as sort of maybe trying to bite off more than they could chew because they don't have a lot of organization and money to pay people to work nice for them but that she took over a party that at least had gotten a lot more attention. It was maybe the leader of the fringe parties. If you want to call them that but it was also seen as a party that had one issue uh-huh environment uh-huh and in many ways it still is but she decided that she was going going to embrace this idea that it was a national party and sort of make it so that it wasn't just we're going run on this on the environment. We are going to have a platform on all issues. I am going to get myself into those leaders debate where the only party that in two thousand and eleven had our platform platform reviewed by the Parliamentary Budget Office to make sure that we could say this is fiscally sound so we believe in getting balanced budgets but we're not an austerity party the opposite I think we need to have adequate revenues to cover the needs of Canadians with these things. She's fought very hard for him. Do you think that she's succeeded in that or do you think that people largely see her still as a one issue candidate. I think probably most people still see them. As a one issue party very few people would be able to tell you what the Green Green status or platform was on taxes or honestly. I couldn't tell you what it was from for years ago but they had a platform and she has argued sometimes successfully sometimes not to get into the leaders debates and beyond the stage with them. You don't see the leader of the Rhinoceros Party or the marijuana party even fighting to get into those leaders debates because they know they won't or UH. I mean to be fair. The People's Party of Canada this year two certainly though the Green party due to be fares having a bit of a moment right now like they're up in the polls there are array of candidates that want to run for them particularly in the Atlantic provinces. They're up very close to the end ep right now. How much of this is because of Elizabeth is with me and and how much of it is because people just finally understand the imminent threat of climate change. It's a number of factors she. He is certainly part of the the mix but she's certainly not the only factor in fact it also has a little bit to do with the EP issues in a little bit of disarray beer. I'm hearing stories about their inability to organize and just they're just not resonating with with the public and so there's this group of voters on we'll say the left left of the spectrum who were wondering where do I go and environment groups in in voters for whom the environment is a big issue in particular they all planted their votes with the liberals four years ago uh-huh believed that the liberals were going to deal with climate change they were going to put in place protections and cut emissions all these things and then they bought a pipeline uh-huh so now all these environment voters groups are wondering well where do we go and so the Green party is a bit of a natural fit particularly at a time when the MVP doesn't Seema's as strong as as an option and pen and then is part of that due to her and she has in as this is all happening she has positioned into the party well to sort of step into that open space that was becoming available and so definitely she has been a factor in establishing the Green Party to be ready for this moment. I should say it hasn't been all smooth sailing for Elizabeth. May you mentioned before these claims of bullying clean by her staff members. There also been knees. I I didn't WANNA say gaffes for lack of a better word so in two thousand fifteen at the parliamentary press gallery read dinner. She gave the speech welcome back Kotter. It matters to say it. Welcome back Kotter your home. There's a lot unusual about your speech last summer Qadri. He's got more class. A whole cabinet. Thank you yes. It was not not her best moment. I remember sitting at a table and everybody to sort of staring at the stage willing like everybody wanted to crawl into a hole because he went on and on. It was one of those very awkward like please make it stop moments. Lisa Raitt cabinet at the time and went up on the stage basically tried to give her the hook and take her physically off the stage and she wouldn't stop Lisa. I wake up thinking about horse is a horse of course of course it was not great. She apologized the next day and said that that she had she regretted using the foul language and that she wasn't a moment she was proud of because it wasn't my intention ever do to suggest to Canadians that I was making a speech. I was trying and obviously failing badly delivering something a bit edgy. I feel like we've all been a couple of weddings. thaddeus needs to species to stop right now and fair to her. She's not the only politician who's had awkward moments at the Parliamentary Press Gallery dinner. In in had these speeches supposed to be a bit self deprecating and she didn't white live up to the spirit of that interestingly she's not done it since so maybe.
"green party" Discussed on RNZ: The Detail
"And proposals forgot robertson before the last election and was saying that those roles have basically ensured that fiscal austerity has prevented some really important investment and public infrastructure and public havoc citizens. I'm to actually rebuild the deficit that was left behind by the previous national government so that was one thing i mean i think again on climate change zero carbonate is an example of james show could have been stronger. He admitted publicly that he gave concessions to the national party without even getting the guaranteed support for the bill so i think there are a number of issues with his his approach to politics a different to what i think. The rains should be and what the greens were in terms of. How widespread is that feeling in the party and is it all being pinned on. James shoe was latest ship. Being a little bit too seemed well. The people that you talk to you you get the impression that it is quite right widespread spread. I've talked to a number of different members. We have these off. The record chats old time and they just basically keep coming back and i think to be honest to the greens. It is is a bit unfair where they say the not moving fast enough. They're not getting enough done the moving too much to the center because it seems like they just don't understand m. P. and politics politics itself like it's about compromise. It's about building consensus on issues to be able to move forward like the greens of done with the a._t._s. in zero cobb and stuff and i think it's a bit unfair for some members to be coming out and so aggressively saying. We don't think you're doing enough. We're not. We don't think that you are going fast enough. I mean i it's almost most like the forgotten about the elephant in the room which is new zealand. I which they have a lot of controlling this government. They have a lot of sway in cabinet winston pitas. He's called king-maker for a reason season. I it just seems like the member. Just don't really understand that. Politics is about compromise and the greens. Yes they've had to compromise so's the government i mean so of new zealand i that's just the way it works folks but the sentiment is not shared by all means. I think james good job as a leader. Obviously you can't please everyone all of the time. Overall is really strong aboard ship but former impey sue bradford whose anti smacking bill was one of the grains biggest victories sees that drift towards the center has fundamentally immediately changed the role of the green party she wrote about it worries for the political blog pundit and you'll pay you talk about the graying of the grains. Can you just explain explain to me what you mean by that. I mean <hes> telling into what we call the main <hes> being out of the system. I'm holding a copartner of nine tying the parliamentary system <hes> neoliberal capitalism the whole <hes> structures that we have and not being at all radical challenging lunging <hes> fundamentally getting up to the establishment and putting up constantly putting up new ideas and solutions that actually deal with the i'm crushed his time two thousand nineteen. Some people have criticized used to say we signed that gra. They think grinding refused to the older people that <hes> that's not the case at all. I'm thinking why what so ever. It's not a fake grains have a real feverish about getting rid of the papal <hes> and replacing them with young people at every opportunity and not really valid appreciating many cases more older people can bring to the patty. It's really the opposite of it seems most of the first generation impace it always pot of <hes> pat of what might have different from from many of the people that have been impatience not all of them but many of them we a lot of us came from activist background for backgrounds we wait they wishing on the ground an shoe area for many years and quotas solid y building community support in touch with what was going on outside lots of ideas about <hes> policy policy solutions needs to think that people like ron donaldson sits on and sue peach lee non-defense oc- case lock <hes> myself we come from your you were we <hes> we hit date knowledge of policy in off the history in that area in the of new ideas of new things we could bring to the new zealand parliament parliament. How did it change what going back to the grinding of the patty part of it as a student lean muscle willingness <hes> like a desire to stay i i <hes> into increasingly since two thousand six on these being adrift in the past and and because that was roger and saw that they could see it hating everyday drift to the steam tour of new zealand politics to the sit the green pattie wood ernie boat itself in survive alive if it could entice fighters from from national and as well as from live on the way ford and our needs to cover yourself into the same metal spikes the library national and other patties trump. I'll keep pie with the green party flourish and to me. That was the beginning of the end. Because of course i've always come from another spice which sees we need a radical. These patchy in new zealand politics needed radical ecological patchy radical triki creaky pat not potty for photography. Noah there is a price for party like that and then those is what part of the green party i hit diek pipe in beliefs that the party was finally place for people like me place <hes> we were genuinely front to the issues of the time and put up new and different solutions that we contained an army with them the neoliberal capitalist framework and actually treats what was hitting with the environment with with climate change in ecological destruction all around us <hes> they traded that was the agency native wooded party though that was far in the head more groundbreaking ideas even make it into government though i think they should be characterized his file east to see a massive gator new you see on politics that are cool like progressive or leafed in green. Let's hit a few gangs and good on them for that. <hes> you know there's been some mm solidify dunbar to into renton luggy <hes> they've had <hes> each any side job conservation funding. I mean it's all good but it's it's not challenging. The structures was taking seriously what we really up against can only young people and others who are looking at the seriousness of the crisis with the climate and what's going to happen because there's countries around the world not looking seriously at the dick of inequality homelessness and really finding to the people who have released. I really fighting for a wife for the planet and the white it's not just signed with the green business and he's got why be on the in james shore and others mcgrane coty has taken the opposite direction just last teen years. I've been so aware of many people who've been in the green party or who with joined the list again <hes> this quietly least because of losing the hope that this would stay outside outside the mainstream even if the character of original convictions and then you see now things hitting like china short bringing in the budget responsibility celebrity rolls himself in inviting labor to sign up because food alaska victor h. e. coming in from the royces labor within this james saved for some of the policies which you guys would like to see which transform what policies can you do all of this and still change the you wouldn't have signed up to it unless we were confident that we can do that capping themselves to fiscal conceive it as solid as bain. It said it it was a reading nitric sample. I really minor example where we are not people. Fearing much from the environmental side of the green party have been horrified by james shoes coming subedar. Yeah i'm reviewing the policy on vacation. Genetic engineering with boys look cool bottom line for a lot of people in the green potty. Look <hes> you know. I'd have to sort of see how how it goes. I mean we've got a process in new zealand <hes> for how to move genetic guys main. I mean yeah well. I wanna i wanna see what the science says about that and what the science ethics committee would say about that the divide and the unhappiness tho- you say it's been burling doing it. Predates james shows arrival at least at the end of two thousand lawn in other people leaving in these just being the whole gradual rachel pricey since then is <hes> other people that they need for a long time lot may discard all typing lives of people young people hold on now you're doing full of these years and good on them because as the potty politics that seniority the stains for these principles so i totally understand in what people getting suggests that can and hits hope that are see the hype daesh time and again as h wave of young people and tries within the party <hes> <hes> to mike challenging and good on them. You still a lot of lot of only about this not enough of them to compete with what you're thinking in teams of taty structures and patty eddie cal ken the kind of green party. You wont come out of the green party as it is now or is it going to have to be a whole lot of new people all of so. I think you would need to be more new. People on the green tea to china needs a profound shift and the ability to shift balances with the <hes>. I'm different pots and power structures the green party but those structures are very are pike and we people doing the potty gotta be able to change it. I find it very difficult. Hope because hell much at the scene to the parliamentary and the power has been consolidated over many years now the structures inside we mean this charge per se and have a roll up your pike's they had to penetrate through how to <hes> really make hit different and it's because of the why they can seem to use the green paddy is a wife of stopping device of of sign it. We can't take tariq rick documents with each other but with the greens focus on getting consensus surely the democratic approach that the party seems to take shows does that most people in the party this direction quiet. I mean they can totally possible and that's why. I think that it's very unlikely like klay that despite the wonderful people that are still in the potty trained to my china the sort of change until you'd be out there are still people. Don't trust it. They go on that. I think i right now and the end trying to cut with difficult structures but site significant that this is a centrally. I pack a have quite what little class quite small business it okay nick famas funk his past. He was a lot of connection to a number of businesses to stein..
"green party" Discussed on Serious Inquiries Only
"But I just all I wanna say is in a previous world, we would have thought that something like this would move someone from a fifty percent approval rating to a zero percent of, you know, or or a near zero rang. That's the world. We thought we were living in three years ago and we've come to find out we aren't living in that world. I think it'll move the needle very, very little. I also want to talk about Ohio, twelve. So I believe as of right now, we still don't have the final tally but best information I have right now is balder Sohn. The Republican is up by what we had fifteen hundred sixty four votes so close. So close guys, voting matters, voting matters. Every vote matters. Sure. You're one person, but could you affect dozens, hundreds of people? Could you affect? Could you fact a handful of people? Could you encourage a handful of people to vote if you lived in that district and then maybe those people would encourage a handful more? You know, it's it's unrealistic to think that we could make a difference. Each of us could make a difference when the margin is a small as fifteen hundred votes. It's tiny. But what I really wanted to talk about with this is there actually was quite a bit when when these elections. Came back. It was even trending on Twitter. People were lashing out against the green party because green party candidate, Joe Manchin got a eleven hundred votes. And it's interesting because on opening arguments, Andrew will make jokes about Jill Stein voters. And I think I've said a few things maybe early on after twenty sixteen I, I may have expressed some outrageous Joel certain Jill Stein voters. But that's mainly because I had a debate with somebody on the show who said there were supporting Jill Stein because they believe in women or some crap, but really hated Hillary and had all the same Trumpian conspiracy theories about her. And so it was kind of more geared toward that when when we get right down to it, there's a lot of argument going on. I want to try to filter through some of it. The first thing is I tend to when I express a certain level of dismay at elections in and the voters. The first thing I get back from an awful lot of. It's a very bizarre thing. Awful lot of people even in these aren't, you know, Trump voters. These are just eighth liberal Theus as well. Usually is, don't. We can't shame the voter, shaming voters doesn't work. It's weird. It's like a knee-jerk thing I get from a lot of people and I can't help, but think like, okay, I'm just expressing myself on social media and I do think non voters are the key, but I'm not under some illusion that this is getting to them do are we operating in a world where might tweets are getting to the non voters in Ohio's twelfth district? I mean, it might be different if I had Bagilia NHS of followers. But you know, I've got like five thousand dollars, maybe six on Twitter. It's not as how many of them could possibly live in Ohio district. You know, I'm just expressing a frustration with people who in this day and age in the edge we're living in aren't voting and. So it's kind of one of those things where people are like, oh, don't do the nothing that you're doing because there is no tweeting is nothing tweeting, doesn't do anything, and I and I don't think it does either. I'm that's why you know, tweet here and there when I'm frustrated, but that's more I'm expressing myself and people might get some, you know, some catharsis out of me expressing myself if they agree or maybe they'll disagree and we could. We could argue about it, but I'm not under any sort of illusion that that's a direct contribution to anything tweet. It doesn't do anything. What really does stuff is volunteering phone banking, knocking on doors, getting out the vote. That is what does stuff so arguing about like which version of nothing is the better version of nothing..
"green party" Discussed on Eyes on Conservation Podcast
"That said the decision remains right do we listen to bernie and vote for hillary or do we revert to a protest vote and cast a ballot for somebody like the green party candidate jill stein or maybe even right bernis name on the ballot well we had a fascinating conversation on this very topic with the former cochair of the national green party audrey clement now the message that audrey shared with us was not exactly what i was expecting although she told us that she would be voting for a third party candidate she also told us that none of the thirdparty candidates jill stein included were truly qualified for the job i've saying that i'm going to vote for a third party in a because i believe that the eu is is gathered by a twoparty system that amounts to cheer any ed that tyranny must be overthrown at all costs however i believe that there is some sort of dynamic involved here whereby the third parties are not ready to rule because they are playing to their extremes and that's not wear the voters are in the fallacy that they must plated air streets in order to be true there 'cause of their principles is wrong also because the voters turned the center for a reason in it's a good reason and until you appreciate that fact you're not ready to rule so what are we supposed to think when of green party representative tells us that her own party's candidate is unqualified.